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The NEW Monkees

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44:10 min | 3 years ago

The NEW Monkees

"You're busy. So what if we told you there was a shop where brands, you know and maybe some you don't are all brought together in one place a place that makes shopping for those everyday essentials and discovering something new, easy and enjoyable. The place is jet dot com with free shipping on orders over thirty five dollars and two day delivery on thousands of essentials. So don't go all over the city. Go to jet dot com or download the app. Welcome back to deepest radio. I'm Tim powers today. My guests are my friends, the new monkeys in nineteen eighty seven. The producers of the original Monkees TV show decided that they wanted to do it again, if you'll pardon the reference to the album and and they have they hired four wonderfully talented actors, musicians to star in a TV show that aired only half of its contracted episodes in syndication. They also put out an album deserves some respect. Great musicians. The guys themselves played on at the moguls are fantastic. The songwriting is by the guys themselves in some pros, and if you're a fan of eighties pop music, I encourage you to go to YouTube and check out new monkeys and see what they did. The new monkey story is fascinating. It is as as my friend, Marty Ross says, it's a lesson in what not to do in Hollywood, and the guys got together for their thirtieth anniversary reunion in Los an-. Angeles just just a few days ago, and I got to sit them all down and this is what we got. The guys are. The guys are brothers in arms. There's no question about it. They went through hell and back because they were treated poorly by the press. They were treated poorly by just about everybody could treat them poorly the, they got dumped on pretty hard and. And they bonded. And there is a brotherhood and friendship that is an outsider observed and admire, and I, you know, I, I got to know each of the four guys some better than others, but each one is as they say a good egg at, certainly don't as Irv the pilots shit that they've gotten over the years. So in order to set the record straight, I sat him down and we decided to go through the the new monkey story a little bit and well, you see what happens when you get four guys who were a little crazy and had a lot of fun. These are four very talented, very funny. Men who have a story to tell have a little bit of an edge to them and for whatever reason I'm sorry, but they can't stop beating on the table. The microphones are sitting on. So you'll give that a little bit. So today you're going to meet pals Dino Kovacs. Jared, Chandler, Larry, salters, and Marty Ross, the new monkeys. But before we do that, if you like what you hear, be sure you head over to itunes and leave a five star review. Let me know what you think about the show and if you leave the review, it makes it easier for other people to to find this show as well if you like what you hear, put it up on your Facebook page. Go ahead. Be my guest posted out to your social media tweeted out Email episodes to your friends. I don't care just get it out if you like, what you see, it's good to share. Check out the previous episodes. This is your first time here. Welcome. Make yourself comfortable there some very, if you like this show you like a few of the others that are in the catalogue, they'll be sticking. So here we go. The new ones. My my involvement in this interview is negligible at best. I am barely a ringmaster. One of the one of the people at the event said, I did a masterful job herding cats and I suppose that's exactly what it is. I kinda just ask the guys that question and got out of the way. So I'm gonna let them introduce themselves Marty. And. You've got. Why. Around the world. Okay. Save your fucking saving voice. Save your voice. There were no kids allowed. Okay. So as we're as part of this is audio and and it's been a while, let's start at that into the table. Introduce yourselves gentlemen colo-. My name's dean vs. Jerry, I'm literally Celtics. I'm Marty Ross, and I'm really hours in who cares. All right. So we we are back after thirty years with with the new monkeys. And there's a lot of stories to tell. I know there's there's a book in the works right now, but let's let's talk a little bit about how everything got started. Do you guys remember where you saw the ads or how you were recruited to be part of this or how you got involved? We'll start with Dino and work our way down a friend of mine will. Hi Jim. Thank you for having us. Thank you. It's it's a pleasure to be here at our art rebel studios. Yes, you don't even say that. Thank you, art rebel studios. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. God Pontet love your played. The brother paint. Oh, jeez, jeez. Welden Sherman oaks, be sure to visit. Oh. Tim, the stories I could tell you of me and Ponti. Show yet. So what my friend Anna, Harnack right saw saw Anat on MTV saying that they were gonna Bishen for new monkeys. I, you know, being from the wrong side of the tracks, Tim? Yeah, we didn't have cable, so I was had to run over to my friend's differing ex house to to watch raising Arizona or you know things like that anyway. So I so they told me that they had seen something from on MTV and she was joking, and she was like, why don't you go? And you know, additions? Yeah. Okay. What am I going to get the money? And then you know my car got hit twice. I like that. Can you roll the next the next thing we're going to say. Jerry. Okay. I also saw the a piece on MTV about a big open casting, call their country on. Absolutely new interest in it. And then I was in this comedy, draw class at ABC, run by the wonderful and talented Bill no longer with us. Great guide. Yeah. And the producers showed up and they wanted to. Fine people. And they asked me if I'd be interested in testing for this new thing, they were doing. And they told me what it was and I literally the words came out of my mouth. That's the stupidest frigging thing I've ever heard, say fricking and so sure enough, like four or five days later we were screen testing. Wow, you know, I don't know. I just don't. Why remake something that was so cool anyway, but. Here we are. So do you did you feel guilty of just felt weird? I was like, I always thought we were going to be called the haircuts or something else. Now we weren't gonna be. I thought that was just a ruse away of sucking people in from the guys. Here's some new monkeys, but we're going to call them the dues. Yeah, instead were the new something, right? Yeah. Well, first off, you guys know that the New Yorker additions were able to assistant. The Ardy I had heard that they pretty much have the pick of the litter, what they wanted. Malet shocking. Only would has their own rules. So I like the other guy saw the ad on MTV, but I really didn't think about it much until the typical while the story story, the jackets on the table, mom and dad bought tickets, it'll be a good opportunity for you. Have they apologized yet. I thought I'd ever make it so. The second stage of the audition. Yeah, that was funny. That's fun. Fine. Don't worry. We'll get to you in a minute. Well, I think we know what happened. Yeah, we got the gig. Yeah, you got the gig mardi. You're being. I, but where did you hear about? Oh, they came to you, they? Okay. Let me tell you what happened. Right. So all right. Because. Okay. Keynote you tell my story, MAC, so so Marty was selected? Yeah. Well, okay. I was. I was in LA. I always musician I was established. I was like, I was one of those people that they were taking a look at. I originally done Matt fast, Bergen Victor fresco had done a coca annot Don Kodak commercial, and they asked my band the Whigs to go try out for that when we wouldn't try to offer that. They said they sparked something and months later when they got hooked up with flounder to do the new monkey right. They went went about those guys in the Whigs in life. Steal, marty. That's kind of. The weird thing is, is that? Yeah, it was. It was kind of strange. I went to the Columbia lot and literally this has been told so many times, but just as it bears saying one more time that on the side of the trailer, there was a red monkeys guitar logo with a marker new above it. Like I thought, whoa, this thrown one of the money and they said, half a budget and in the trailer, I heard it home home. Guy walks fools. Oh, I walked in there and I literally, like set said. What makes you end, but it was meant Fastbrace's is what makes you want to become one of the monkeys. I don't want to. I said, I don't want to because an actor friend of mine earlier said, if you walk into an audition wanting something, the strange thing about Hollywood is that ninety percent of time if you show that you really eager to want something, they don't give it to you. If you don't care about something, they sit there in a minute, we're offering them all these riches, a it. Take note, take note. So anyway, that was kind of, like I said, no. And I said, complete. I said, again, they said no. I said, no. And then I said, well, the when it got down to about five or six of us went well, maybe. I'm unemployed right now. Meeting each other. Right. Well, what was what was it like as they as they narrowed it down to the four of, you know, remember we auditioned right gather in a on the set of the new gidget show. Yeah, they were mixing. There was a bunch of do right, and they were just like doing little recipes. Hey, let's take glue shrimp and Dino and Larry. Right? Let's take Marty, Jared and egging. Right? And they were just doing these combinations to see who had chemistry and that's Bill. Hudnut was bill's wrecking? Yeah, those directing the screen tests and he had this great laugh anytime that, like, you know, if you did something funny, right? He would go. So you'd hear that way off in the dark and you didn't know what was going on. But if you heard that you're like, you're like, I'm golden good. Good. I'm good. I'm good. So not not now while that was happening. Right because there were nine of us at that time right when we were doing right. So there's five guys going. Brad pitts. Fanta Jerry sanitarium. Planned with the English, but I'll tell you I was standing on the sidelines while I think Jared and Larry were were doing their audition thing in boo goo shrimp was right next to me and I don't know. Right? As a break dancer from Allegra, Kim, Google Electra breaking move, electric blue van. So. This guy was such a pro because so I'm standing there watching like Jared and Larry go. And then all of a sudden from behind me, somebody comes up in like in, does this to me and I and I looked up and it was blown her with a pipe and then and then he, he did the tap to me and then he walked away. And boo, boo turns me and he goes, dude, you're you're in. And I was like, he goes, I'm telling that was the guy that was your in McKay on you look like him. I knew you guys are. I got his. All right, so so they narrowed it down. It's the four you guys do. Remember the member, your feelings at the time when you realize it was going to be the four of what, what, what went through your heads when you realize all right, it's us. Well, I knew that I needed to make the most money. Okay. Because I didn't realize. He's milked at for thirty years. Did you ever gonna fix? Seriously? I I did because it drove me out of that car out. Yeah, in kissed it when I drove. Remember, I'll tell you the three of us knew yes or mardi here. Marty was selected right. There's one other guy, right, right. So we knew we had from Boston, so they get this great idea. Let's take Larry, right? Let's get him drunk. So we were review Hollywood, but they need to hear this because you're gonna hear it anyways, Larry's killed. I'll tell you other stories too. What what was the hotel Luca Lucan league. Look at look at. Heighten I didn't drink. Oh, yeah, you did. Not up to them anyways, Marty says, so what do you like the first thing that popped into my mind was Sambuc. That's the Italian version of Zo. For you. People. Party was going to congratulate me with retire lawn. Christening ended the whole show right. But I actually walked into the apartment about an hour after everything was over or not be part of the room. I pooped over entire middle of the the larger area. I went in and cleaned it up. I left. Team america. Guy said there's been an accident in my room. I can't sleep. You're pissed. He literally turned into a Vom wheel. Kids. Do you think that was a harbinger for what was to come? Yeah, I tell you when we got to know each other a lot was when we went first with New York, we were all selected. And then the next day when they knew who we were when we we just strange because our tickets were a one, eight, two, eight, three, four. The first seats on first class in a plane. I never flew for common. Oh, but not even have an eight when I mean this is like the night before. So it has tells you that the first class seats are little flexible. So we got day one, eight, two, eight eighty four. These new monkeys. We're sitting there going like this. Hey, I'm so I, I'm Marty your area which was used literally, we're flying there and then they get us rooms. We get into New York and with a give us a room at the rooms at the Ritz Carlton facing over central park. And we are silly. You're just silly because, oh, in the next fifteen minutes, this magazines coming in the next fifteen minutes is that's coming. And next thing that tomorrow at six AM you gotta be on t. spent any time together. Auditions partic- just at, we had done audition process, but this is it was like, okay in, oh, do you all like girls like me? I mean, it's everybody straight. Let's get that. That's why you're wondering, well, you know, you gotta. That's the obvious thing in here. We're gonna. We're all going to be famous together, so we'll get that out. You know who I'm going to bunk with. Myself as hi. I'm Micky, yes. I remember that I know. That's navy. They didn't really do that. Right? So we got to know each other quickly through the fires of like, you know, everybody, everybody taking pictures of his. This was this is just odd, but it if you're all of a sudden you're, you're catapulted up into into stardom which is like, what happened to us from this? Literally those I'm gonna make you a star kid kind of thing. And we're literally sitting there that night up stares at the Hard Rock Cafe because we done a world conference premier before that we live to being. And so we're, we're there. They said you can score upstairs because he's guys, none of them can drink so there. But this is the real truth thing of Hollywood. We pay you guys, you guys TV show. You can drink just everybody else of stairs. Sort of four of us sitting there going like this. We're going, nobody else not a soul upstairs. Every once in a while the waitress comes by and says, do you want another drink? And it's like, what is this about? And up? It seems it seems normal. It's normalized back in like nineteen eighty six. You know what I mean? There weren't, you know it wasn't. There wasn't a voice the making. You know what I mean? The whole become famous quickly right thing happening researcher, Dr. yet star search. That was it wasn't. It wasn't nobody cared about stars version idle and. Right, right. You say you can dance saying that being thrusted into that Hannah predicament. Right? Wasn't normal. A lot of bungee got together and said, we're gonna pretend you're famous. Convince everybody else. We're gonna pray that you do something that somebody buys the crap. Without any coaching without any train. Here you go. Here you go guys go, right? I introduced what happened. Coaching, the team dynamic and like, okay, improv training together, and that can by the way months of improv training, then to go, sit and read scripts playing. I mean, we spend okays week's script playing together recording them, and then we spent. Different times for like a month just doing him impo. So obviously the chemistry work because there's kind of lightning in a bottle with the four of you, but I don't think you should use that term. That term is always uses Cup when they're comparing the monkeys to new. I'm just saying what the lightning in the bottle. Yeah, you can't do twice bro, but it's a different bottle. So let's just say there's obviously a connection between the four of you be by virtue of what you what you went through, but the chemistry that the producers found. It's just worked right. What was the common denominator? What? What did you guys? Where was the bonding music? Probably we, we, we all kinda had a thing about music. We all love music, right? Larry was pretty damn accomplished for his age is young. Big, knew how to play a Jared had feverish affection for anything that was rockabilly in authentic as Dino. Right? And so what we all kind of surmise with that was what we had a basis of was as funny as it's sounds, but that funny as it sounds being in the new monkeys, if we could make authentic music as possible. Which is because you can't back past that point. You know, you sit there and say, are you going to be like this? You're gonna be like that. How authentic are you? Gonna be will as the new monkeys are going to say, we want our boy more music, authentic all the stuff we did on cameras, stuff like that was concocted. And and some of it was like some of it that we would do would be off that we do. We would make actually the whole cast of the people in the crew laugh. And then they'd say, you have to stop and they'd cut and go wife that that's not in the script. Scratchy guys, all crew peeing in their pants in between takes and then okay, rolling ready. But in then. And we have to like my car got hit twice. Funny. Think about the episodes of Marty. Really. It's like everybody led a hobby. Got a job on that new monkeys. It was like, hey, buddy. He wants wrote, read a comic book. He'd be great on the writing staff. You know, I had these friends. It's true, whack out real writers, Jeremy and rocky, you know, and they were real writers. And I said, hey, we should try something when we have. We're all fans of the young ones and they wrote a couple episodes. Great wrote all my Marty's will. That's a real episode with a real story and things that happen. And if you hold that up to the some of the other episodes, they're just killing time. And so. The point was. As organically. We always had a great time and if you around us, probably joy it. The crew certainly did. But as soon as cameras rolled, what we were left with was trying to breathe life into something that really wasn't that you know, right, tight to add that I could be wrong. But these guys seem to have a natural gift to active. Oh, I would tell. What would actually happen is when the cameras were rolling, we were ourselves and that I think was exactly what to their respecting. You know, the producer sought at right initial tests. So you saw it in between the camera rolling all the time, and that was just us working together and talk and have a good time. Right. If you had the script in front of us in Maureen, are we're gonna read it and do something. We were really hilarie. How're you doing today? You want another take. Hello, Larry, how you doing today? You can see a place to play a place to play. Mardi was hilarious when the cameras were not rolling, and I always felt that day. Space. Oh, not true. You know whether it was a director, the producers. 'cause Marty's, he's funny because I went, I wanna hear these stories. Have cameras on. Now, this ain't happening. Turn this shit off. We'll be funny. Rome. So I think they failed in in that sense where they didn't. They didn't know. There's that. Thank top dollar for like experience writers. They were giving buddies, chance and room buddies were really good at her than other. You did the best with what you had. So you go into this, you guys young, you're like, this is really cool. You're thrust into what appears to be. Stardom windy start to realize it's going off the rails. What. We're not spill on the right. On the rails, Saudi answers. Now as what you're saying? Actually, he, he knew before. You knew? Yeah, I had a really kind of sinking feeling that this. He's been something before that was filmed. Big, but I've been immersed in either trying to get a job right doing job or just learning about the industry. Like if I had a day on a movie, I'd hang out for a week. They'd have to tell me to go, what are you still doing here? Hang on what's going on out stun involve. Trailer. I went and said, if I wasn't being used because I want to know what the deal was. Right? And I had the seeking impression that things weren't being run correctly in some cases, just. You know, just they weren't making the kinds of decisions like on writing and things like that. That the short films they wait a minute fund. Those were look at him, like instead of building a story line with characters that you care about. You learn about after a couple of weeks. You wanna see them every week. Softens going singleton to go write a cow. Go be a spine. I was a Hobo. Yeah, you were. I was a fisherman. Segments. Eleven minutes. Got these things. Music video. How about one of those another? Three minutes, a story and the video, you know, and but it was like that experimental thing in the sixties which they all sort of clung onto. They did it within an episodic story because they cared. They cared about to Karen became as just disenfranchise created out, -ture of, you know, you're going here, you're going there. You're going there and it's like, when are we gonna be? You know. We were. We were never monkeys like, you know, in that ten minutes story, right or playing. So I'm I'm getting there was a whole France and some of it I realized. But then later on as I became, you know, working on other projects, things run smoothly. What project comes together and it becomes a good and well executed start piecing together the rubik's cube like, oh, that's what wrongs. So so I'm getting the freshen that I don't know. I dunno the show got cancelled. We'll get you back to the mansion in an hour. Marty. Where's red. With it at the same time as we all really being together and writing together. So it was a feeling and you didn't want to be a Downer and like there's that hoax, right, so, okay, so so there's that and you start to your understanding what happened, but the four of you have this, this chemistry. And at a an sound that you kinda like, did you look at each other? And maybe we ought to keep this going. We have been ten every every fifteen twenty every ten years. If you if you don't have that kind of commitment. Sorry in your life, but that's okay. But Megan together, don't see the new monsters gang. That's an I. Excellent point. There's a really good point. Put me in my place also explains the new monkeys a little bit better in context because if you take a look at just the television season for nineteen eighty-seven, it's incredible. The new shows new, the Munster to get every. There's a new new outcome. Couple, they're supposed to be mean Larrea. Yeah, I have. I mean, there's a lot of new coke NewCo. It was the regurgitation period of television tin. Yes, it was. We did have that experienced where all of us were regurgitate that we were dating taking. My date is on the TV show new Monkees. I'd like to know if you wanna. So why don't we go out to a movie knowing full well that there's going to be a commercial beforehand with the new peace promoting new coat, sit there and go into theater on this, sit there to table, sits at a seat this. She stomps his outer popcorn. Undis- waiting for the thing that come on the old course LA times add this, that all of a sudden it's turned up in Indiana. It's new coke down the new mug as and. They come from earth about bringing this goes turning. Turning look for the new monkeys. This fall goes to dark and. The girl next to me is like all of a sudden downgraded me from eight to see a three hour date just paid for my movie. Yeah. So you had a lot of those those. This next question you had wanted to start not working out. Sure right then right then at that point, when I wasn't gonna get laid, it was all over. I didn't do that with women. Then I was looking for provable. It got to be so pathetic at some points because he sat there and the show moved from seven thirty to one thirty in the morning on in LA, and I found that the only place to impress girls anymore. It was to go to a bar and have them turn it on. You know. We're closing. Turn it on. We're coming on. It's like an, it's a first front show at one thirty in the morning. I think we kind of I. Said, which is known for being a night show. Yeah. My friend of listened somewhere in Tennessee said that your show on at two thirty on Wednesday afternoons, like you're going to thirty kids can't be home at when who's going to be watching. We're going for the moms. You got him. Yeah, but we weren't expecting lades. Jesus, tim. Well, you know what? We had our best rating. I don't know if anybody knows, but our best rating was at one thirty. Remember this is nineteen eighty seven. So grunge was just about going one thirty in the morning in Seattle, which was really really strange because if I remember right, the single charted of completely on the opposite side of the country, right. Yeah. Yeah, Florida, Florida. One thirty Seattle like the shrooms were really kicked. We were also big another short films. We also big in San Francisco and and some other with San Francisco was kind of like there's this gone for young. Starring as big in Ghana, massive in Ghana kidding house. Our Facebook page coverage in Ghana. They love Lewis of Ghana, wow. Hey, here's a, I don't know. I called you actually. When this guy, this guy got a hold of me on. I think YouTube and he told me the story. He was one of the people who bust he was in Iraq door kicker in a unit. Yeah. Any busted in on this on these bombmakers I'm not kidding. And. And the guy the bombmaker was listening to the new monkeys and the guy number this, the guy who kicked in the door was like, Where'd you get that? He goes love this. I love this. So this guy like you know, like found me and he like good part is heated. No op-ed. The bomb builder did not know. We had broken up. Everybody waving automated who's watching right now. Not only the capture this guy got to break. They don't plan. That's how I felt when I found out that the monkeys. 'cause you know, I watched the monkeys on reruns and then I remember seeing a magazine like sixteen and I remember seeing like the Monkees looking older. It was doling Joan voice in heart, right? And I'm like, what's this? And I opened it up and I'm like, what? The monkeys? It's not now look, I thought the monkey when I was watching them right. I thought. Show. Now, you know there weren't pledged. You know. So the way it is and it broke my heart. When I found out that the Monkees were cancelled. At any rate, but none of when we were cancelled. I had to give. I should you brought out of my news magazine, you guys you you, you had a couple issues at sixteen magazine, oh, we did. We did. What? What kind of almost hate to ask this, but what kind of response did you get? Larry was the heartthrob. Yes, Larry was the heartthrob actually, my daughter found out the first time I had a picture next to river Phoenix. That's her faith. But let me tell river Phoenix is no longer around, but your dad still. I'm just saying. Because he's not drinking. I was fourteen at the time sheet. I went down to visit them in fallbrook and my aunt and visit her. We went said, we'll work. Gears, Joe, you don't have anything, so I'll go. My cousin with, we'll go feared this thing and ask again. I don't have any. I d. Oh yes, you do. She goes to. She picks out about seven minutes. Sees. The the girl that there's a while you really can drink. Yes, it's okay. So says, you're, you're twenty seven. Or that was weird thing? Yeah. This thing. What's their another question. Still on the magazine? Think on the six one. Yeah. Go. So the girl that I was dating who later became my wife. Two. Awesome. Was already. Kelly's getting to kick your ass for that. So so so I had dated her prior to being on a failed television show. And and then while I was doing the show, she had a boyfriend here and she actually picked up sixteen magazine in front of her. Boyfriend had this three go, Selena. Oh, well, it was teddy her boyfriend teddy. I'm not your father anyways. It it. It kind of good because I am. Yeah. Basically cock lock the dude scene magazine from three thousand miles away. Yeah. Well, actually he was in Californian. All right. So it was probably like five hundred miles still. So. Oh, okay. That's my sixty minutes. We got a few minutes. All right. So what if down to nitty gritty, Jim, what nitty gritty? Do you wanna share it? You know? Well, I was washing my underwear. Yes, when that is incredibly nitty. I remember Marlin stags line producer calling me because Larry saw this was late. It was either Larry, Marty because those two were the prima donnas on the show. So how Cain while, you know, like what there's no icing on status shit. You'll see every music video me injured always there, except for when I had to Monja and Steve her neck. The head thing. But you'll see on some use it video of your neck. Her neck was the one wearing the fish. But Jamie mutter who's their fifth. Keyboards was on the keyboard keyboards. That's the not only that, but on one what music video? Like, were you headed. And he was doing this and it's not Larry, which what movie, what? What video. The same to you play Jared on the black. And the heat visions are being. Yeah, on the heath. Yeah, you weren't there for the heat villain. He was remember they had is peanut show up on the. That's not that's not true kits. It might have been, but it's not. Those were. Wrong new additional shots. The thing with back to get it. That's right. It was yours. So what was the other nitty gritty? I'm asking you nitty gritty, but I think we're running out of time, you know? So so Joan Salta stole my phone. On. Oh, I'm sorry. I was, I was thinking, don't lay in. All right. So you, you've got this room full of people who've assembled thirty years later. What does that feel like men here I want everybody in this room just to know that I brought some stuff from the new Monkees museum. So you guys can each take a look at this. Because this is really funny stuff for you, this co lax, and it's what they use, I guess, as promotional stuff to actually try to sell, you'll never tried it. It's so funny because it has biographies, but I don't want people to mess this up. It's funny stuff. And then on top of that, there's this thing cash says, the fund is back. Right. And. Right. No, holding posters. Senator we have no recollection. We would like to point out his explosives were not. They were used explosives and as Marnie pointed out earlier, that was like us kind of saying that we're going to bomb. So. Coming off camera, flipping over Nicaragua. Jared provided the munitions. Oh, here's another one. As you can see, I really wanted to bomb. Mardi doesn't want it to bomb because he, you know. Journey. I don't think. The fun part about these pictures is I am Larry up to recollection of right shooting his pictures dumped. Remember this, the monkeys. We don't care about them today. So. Camera. Saying. Hey, look buddy. Nobody's paying fifty dollars for a picture. Look at here. I wanna see how. Liens. Yes, television convention. Yes, unoriginal loco. This picture that I hate the most. I let one woman do my hair one time one time. Wrong with this picture. Senator here. Guess besides person got fired for dressing us like. Like. It's true. She choose something else to since you know for Meyer, that would be my four son. The update. It doesn't look to entice Ronnie. Yeah, this is the infamous. We don't care about this one either. Hanging off the things. There's one coming up that I know you guys. This is under Senator. We have no recollection of being in the old west. There at the time. This, why you're on her. Ceres tombstone. At this point Senator Colonel was in charge of the program. And we weren't aware of of the contrast. Yes. Win one. The original question, are we? How do we feel about all these people getting together? Because we kind of went off on a new monkey spiel. We're really honored and it's really. Really. Guys out there too. Get to see. Month's somebody has to die, or we have to play. With. Darkest moment and he'll tax. So it's cool so means a lot. We Jared had a tough time and act. So we've got a place to play. Really, this is actually really, it's, it's it's really what's next. Yeah. Why don't we go play? What would just well, just like, say, cut the bullshit relgious complacency. Yeah. Then we. Although the idea this is what it is. Guy. He touching my Qatar.

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Coral Courts Radio Hour: The Monkees Deep Tracks

"Welcome back to the courts radio hour. I'm Tim powers in this is this is my podcast. Yep. As part of the deepest radio podcast feed, I have put this show together with an intention of revisiting my my glory days of being a disc jockey actually being on the air and playing records and introducing listeners to songs that, then I love her that I think are kind of interesting or that my friends love and find interesting when they are in the show. And if you've been listening to some of the core courts, radio hours shows for a while, you know that that I do love the good rock and roll and that you know, some people have referred to me as a little bit of a rock and roll snob that I can speak eloquently about the rock and roll. But also that I have, I have a tendency to kind of look down my nose at some acts that I don't particularly care for, which in light of today's episode could seem somewhat hypocritical because today we're going to delve deep. Into a music group. Manufactured machine called the monkeys which which began in officially in nineteen sixty six where four actors actors. Musicians were hired by by Columbia entertainment screen gems to put together a television show. They were not an existing band before they came together. They were four guys hired to play a part and and it became not only television show that lasted for two seasons, but also a string of records alive act. Nine top twenty hits nine top twenty billboard hits spanning from nineteen sixty six to nineteen eighty seven. The band in its current incarnation, whether it's two men or three men. Is selling out. Live shows all over the country right now, in fact, gearing up as I record this in September of two thousand eighteen releasing a Christmas album folks. It's kind of interesting to see how their record label is supporting them, and their fans are supportive. We will hear from one of the most visible monkeys fans out there to explain a little bit about what they are, but in the meanwhile, one of the things that I want to accomplish here today is to play some music that you haven't heard before. Perhaps if you are familiar with the monkeys inferior familiar with any of the top twenty hits several of them went to number one, and I'm not going to play any of those. What I'm going to do is dive into some of the album cuts very, very deep into the album cuts. And I think I'd like to start out by playing some cuts where these guys who were actors. Hired to play a band actually formed a real band and played their own instruments, which is Sieving, sadly maligned for and historically inaccurate. We'll get into that. But first, let's give a listen to this. So. Spot. Oh. I don't y'all. Can. He shot. The. Shy. I. Five. And that is the I cut off the monkeys. Third album headquarters released in nineteen sixty seven number one on the charts until this thing called sergeant Pepper's lonely hearts. Club band came out. I play it because it is the first album cut written and performed by the four guys who are fought of as as the monkeys that banjo that you heard those drubbings that guitar everything is, is those four guys jibbidy forming a group right in front of you? So when immediately we dispel the myth that the guys didn't play their own instruments, did they hire session musicians? Yes, of course. So did the beach boys so did the bird. So did the mamas and Papas who you know door never really aband-. They were just a vocal group association. The list goes on and on and and the guys that played on those. Ax are are amazing all of them to a turn, whether they use the wrecking crew or the guys themselves. They put out some great stuff. Let's go to a cut from the feature film that the guys put out the movie's called head. It was released in the late nineteen sixties. The screenplay was written by Jack Nicholson before he was Jack Nicholson and produced by the guys that gave us easy rider later on it featured the four-month and it is really it's a very deconstructionist's film. It's it's weird and everyone involved with it jokes that they have no idea what it's about. There have been thesis papers. There have been books written about what this movie is about. Who knows? I don't know be the soundtrack. Album is a little light on music as far as tracks go, but it is a fun. Listen and the the track that I'm about to play was written by Peter torque and features. One Stephen stills on guitar. Here we go. This is the long title. Do I have to do this all over again on the coral courts, radio hour. Awful. Woman lease song, armless news. I need who. Again. Play the drama louder again. To the band, listen to the. Good. They made me happy. Make. Mercy woman as the song. Need again. Drome. To them. Listen to the band, listen to the bane. Now they, they may be happy. They back and make. Lays song need. Being. Play the drums ever move around this weekend. That we have missing to the bay. Listen to the band. Speak in such musicians, Michael Smith and some of the greatest session musicians in Nashville with with listen to the band. The first monkey single to to have nesn with on lead vocals. Before that, you and I a very deep cut from from a post to series Monkees album. They put out records after the show had been was off. I run off network now running in syndication, and that wailing guitar. You heard was Neil young who had just left buffalo Springfield and was looking for a gig got hired to sit in and play and tore it up on a on a d, a rare Davy Jones rock and roll track. And before that, another member of buffalo, Springfield, Steve stills backing up his friend Peter torque on on long title. Do I have to do this all over again? You're listening to the coral courts, radio hour, and I am defending the monkeys as a as legitimate musical act and and you know, putting some very, very tasty rock and roll. And that's what we're here for today. So I am talking far too much. Let's play some music. Here's something one of the guys solo. She's mine. Dozens seem. Come. It's too easy. Two. Kings. Stay on the. On the side. Joel. Mine's me. And last. This con. And the. Now the dot condole the one and the seats Naga high. Wait four hour. Speaking. Snotty churned. Shot. She's. And she's. So in an attempt to put this show together, I have asked my dear friend Ken mills, who is the figurehead for the largest monkeys fan gathering available in the twenty first century. The zilch podcast, which hasn't been officially sanctioned by by the monkeys or rhino. But for all intents and purposes, they know who we are and for one hundred and twenty something episodes can't has put together a fantastic show, dissecting the career, the output and the fans of a TV show that ran for two years. And I've asked Ken to join us today and talk a little bit about about the history can can give us kind of a monkey's one. Oh one. How did this? How did this whole thing start. Wow, that's a. That's a mouthful right there. That's you're asking a lot, but I'm up to the challenge. I know you are. What are the monkeys? That's really the question, right? Yeah. Is it? Is it a TV show? Is it a band? Is it neither? Because the TV show went off the air. Sometime of band occurs calls self monkeys and it's made up of for people sometimes less from time to time. But what the Monkees were was a great TV show what the Monkees were, where a series of incredible albums with some of the best pop writing. In in in all of musical songwriting period, some tremendous vocal performances. You got to see these guys develop into something more. Whether Mike Ness myth realizes or not, or wants to acknowledge it, they did become something greater than the sum of their parts. Right, right. And the monkeys disappeared. And they went into our living rooms instead of being on prime time. They were there after school and on weekends and daytime television through the summer and the fans never lost their love for them. You know people across all social or or or. People across all entertainment platforms may have forgotten the monkeys, but the true fans didn't. And because of those reruns they all came back and then MTV had that reassurance and everything monkeys became Kula get right? Yeah. In your opinion, though, this is strictly your opinion. Here. We are fifty years after the show essentially has gone off the air. Why? Why are the surviving monkeys having top ten records in two thousand sixteen and wire, they still selling out, you know, huge, huge venues like the like the Greek theater in l. a.. Because people of good music, they love good times. There's something about seeing them romp on television and the fund that you carry throughout the rest of your life. When you think about those TV shows or maybe the way that a certain song was put together during the TV show, for example, could have been pleasant valley Sunday. You might remember that weather from the MTV days or whatever. But every time you hear that song on the radio, it takes you back to that TV show and in some ways, you know, like for example, nobody's like sitting around going man. I can't wait for Hogan's heroes to get back together. Because you're not sitting around listening to your Hogan's heroes. Album to Hogan's heroes seems not normally played on oldies radio. So the music in a way. When one thinks about the marketing of what the Monkees were, they got you coming and going, right. They got you on TV. They got you with the merchandising. They got you with the albums. They got you with the live show. They got you with the pinups all of this stuff at all work together. And even even when the Monkees TV show kinda disappeared in the early eighties from normal everyday television because everything runs a cycle right. When MTV brought it back, everybody had a hunger for what they could trip over before that they couldn't find. Now the sudden they, they had such a thirst word. It's kind of like people can dismiss the Beatles movies at times, right? Because, well, it's just a movie based on the Beatles or whatever, right? But when you watch hard day's night, there's no denying it when when help came out, that was a bit of a sensation. You know, video remember that I do peop- people fools like me, we're, we're paying almost eighty dollars for video. Cassette finally knew what I knew now that have it in glorious high def. Yep, for like four for fourteen dollars. So yeah, not right there in that equation. But anyway, I digress. We've got the monkeys on Blu Ray. You can have their movie head which was a flop that keeps on giving seriously to its fans. There's something always to learn and see something new in that movie in their music is full of great music and great performances both by the musicians, whether it be the monkeys themselves which they were or the wrecking crew or whoever Neil young for example, I know you're going to play some really cool music today because that's what Tim powers does. Thank you. But. You're going to see some of the things that keep us coming back as monkeys fans. If if you've never listened to the monkeys before you're going to hear today, some things that are going to go beyond daydream believer that are going to go beyond. I'm a believer, pleasant valley Sunday. You're going to hear some incredible songwriting, some incredible performances and a lot of love that still goes out from all of us to all of you. So there you go. If you'd like to hear more from Ken encourage you and. Seriously and believe me. There's ample opportunity if you wanna hear him talk more about the Monkees chick out zilch among his podcast. Can you have about what seven hundred other shows right now? Can you? Can you let us know about some of the others. Where the original kiss podcast pod kissed is the name of it sets clever that is podcast pod kissed it's for the for the band kiss nut. I mean, Ken isn't certainly an enthusiast for physical affection but had making out and yes, but his this, the pod kissed show features the the music and the phantom of kiss. What else you got buddy? We've got cheap talk, which is all about one of the most underrated band bands musical history. That's cheap trick. It's cheap talk and find us out there. And we also have a show called pop, which also spun off a show called the fun size show, which is a game show. So pop is literally podcasting about anything and everything, whether it be Star Trek movies or comic books or collecting stamps, Stephen King, anything, anything, the facts, a life, anything we didn't entire love boat episode. So. So whatever, whatever we wanna talk about, sometimes we play a radio station called w. p. m. we have our fun size show, which is the fun size, you know, it's, it's, it's just the right amount of time to spend on a podcast because some podcast like three hours long this when she usually about fifteen minutes long fifteen to twenty minutes long. So it will not ruin your dinner as far as podcasts. Can thanks very much for being a part of the coral courts, radio hour today, you know, I'm gonna play some stuff, but since you were kind enough to to interrupt your day and join me Ken mills, give me a cut to play. I will take your request. Give me give me a monkey song that people need to hear. Well, in this time there's one phrase I'm going to San gonna let you intro. Love is understanding the closing theme to the second season of the Monkees television show a song written by by Peter Tork and his brother off the headquarters album featuring all for monkeys playing their own instruments for Pete's sake, sports radio. Thanks. Can. Show. Something. Even. We will show. Sometimes. Two. Saying. Pleased. Shoot. Starring. Every mad. If you want. She going. Tonight, just cheater. Squeeze real gentle. Maker. Love you. Cheater. If you practice. Just as hard as you. Sean. Cheated. Practice. Just as. You're gonna get. Every. Treat it. All the land in a new role just. On the most fisticuffs part where I've got a little Trump. She. Improve. On the Graham on. On the. Well, reached. Never one second. On the twentieth. Cattle. Ronin graham. Grant. Well, past the county in the call. Fast with the same old story. The Countess has a brand new. Stale. Mr. Ronin. Ronin. Ever. Now you chance. That their latest gentlemen is the four Monkees Nezmet Tork Dolenz Jones from the nineteen ninety seven album just us. They get together for their thirtieth anniversary, I suppose. And just like a bunch of guys who have known each other for years. That's exactly what they did. They got back together, put out an album and played. Every note wrote every song it is entirely their their baby, and that is my favorite cut off that album called regional girl before that grand on we from Michael nez Mus first national band effort, Nevada fighter also, great album. If you haven't check that out, Peter Turks shoe suede blues band covering the ROY head, classic treater right before that. And of course, birth of an accidental hipster the standout track from twenty six teens. Good times album that cut sounds amazing live. I've had the opportunity to see the guys live several several times and when they have played that track, I think the last time I saw them play was at Nasim its final official concert as a monkey at the Pantages theatre in twenty seventeen, and it was an amazing show. And good run into a bunch of friends there actually kinda cool then before that my friend can mills from the zilch podcast, join me to talk about why the monkeys are important and at his request played off the headquarters of them for Pete's sake. Now, everyone is familiar with the heart and soul of the monkeys band. When you bring the TV show up where you or you mentioned the monkeys, two things happened. One people have a automatic reflexive need to sing the theme song to you, which everyone knows the other is to talk about Cutie pie. Heartthrob Davy Jones who is not represented in this show as as thoroughly as he actually participated in or contributed to the musical output of the band. Mostly because a lot of his stuff just doesn't rock. It was. It was Broadway ballads and things like that and and beautiful. You know, the people say the typical Monkees album has Davy Jones slowly in it. Well, I'm not going to do that, but I did find something really cool if you wanna hear some soul fried Davy Jones, I encourage you to check out this cut off. One of the missing links, compilations this out. Take from the original sixty sessions. It's called look down and it's the coral courts, radio hour. When I get to the, the click. I'm going to stay. Long. Listening. Mindset. I remember. Come with me. Tell me what you see just been this. And you may. Sometimes. Two. I'm going to stay. The chips. John. The past. Clinton. Cream beach, Bali. Was covered gravy stains. She had a little green book and she had Myles tired. I was hungry. I was Betty. Steaming. Trash the place, but. Muzak. The chew we and the chicken was planned. I'm not a pigeon, but she had. And. What I need is. I try. Did she start expunging. She teach to fickle. She said down started picking my teeth. She was naked Fabian. Fabian that dream. The goal. Chest back his, but he was still. Slice. They wouldn't think the Yankees were ground beef paddy hit the coffee machine. Tell this Bill was the moody kind. I. Have you changed. Trial. Soda jerkins. From then he'll probably. Do you, he. Here's. K. A milk shake, Peter, Turks, nineteen ninety something solo album. Stranger things have happened that's sung by Martin Briley who wrote the eighties hit. You ain't worth assault in my tears, song's called milkshake. It's life on the road for a rock and roll band, and just a fun song before that from good times, you bring the summer which for all intents and purposes was the hit of that twenty sixteen good times album and and look down from David Jones and some really cooking men. That's about all the time that we have today for the crow courts. Radio hour. I'm Tim powers if you like what you hear, encourage you to pass this along and tell a friend. This is just a little gift that I put out a little musical gift to my friends and people who choose to listen to the show. I do not own any of these songs. I'm not affiliated with the monkeys. The new monkeys rhino records Warner. Roeber screen gems, the Susquehanna hat company, Niagara Falls or anything else. So. You know, I don't claim to be if you enjoy anything that you've heard here jump on itunes or go to your local vinyl brick and mortar record store and purchase it all. And by all means, pick up the new Christmas album that should be coming out Tober nineteenth, two thousand eighteen a monkeys gift little Christmas album. That is out. One of my friend can mills for checking us out and and stick around the show today and talking about why the monkeys are important to him and why they ought to be important. You and I hope you enjoyed some of the music that you heard today. I hope that we were able to eliminate eliminate your ears. Here's some things you've never heard before. If you're just familiar with, I'm a believer daydream believer steppingstone Clarksville monkeys. They hope this turned you onto something new, and I hope I know not everybody's going to like every song and that's okay. That's why the world goes around until next time. I'm Tim powers, and this is the coral courts, radio hour. Let's leave you with one more. This is again from the movie head and kind of stand out track, not a rock and track by any stretch of the imagination, but certainly interesting. Nevertheless, hope you like it. It's as we go along the month. Cora courts, radio hour. We'll see next time. Secrets. School. Two. Secrets, let. And suit with me. Gene, we're the Tim. The TV show know man, this Lincoln very struggled. These things you can come. We'll be on NBC TV starting September twelfth at seven, thirty pm in colors, coup on the Gotcha Rooney. Mike. I don't know what is more fun than a barrel full among trained full dig case jas of the last train Clarksville and had hundreds of lucky listeners on trips. Yes. Going to be a blast cage day happening, wrap up to summer of sixty. Six and monkeys went to view the station Knoxville. Yeah, itchy bus will give away a color TV sets engine all you do send the post to monkey trip still eight one three. Oh Hollywood. Starting Cousy Morgan, the jokes winner every hour and each guest to bring a friend mail your card in with them on the train parks.

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The Monkees Christmas Party with Micky & Mike

The Rhino Podcast

42:19 min | 2 years ago

The Monkees Christmas Party with Micky & Mike

"Ladies and gentlemen, records retired plate spinners and millennials who want to impress their parents with their record collections. Welcome to the rhino cast podcast. Brought to you by rhino records. Get ready for new releases detracts and conversations with your favorite artists and bands and balloons for the kiddies. And now your hosts with the most which may have and Dennis the menace on this episode of the rhino cast rhino zone. John Hughes talks with none other than Mickey Dolan's and Michael nez myth about Christmas party the first ever holiday album from the monkeys. To graph you with Chris. To christmas. Three. To wrap you crew splits. Nothing. So when you read. Please. To do at Christmas. To you. Chris. Christmas. Few christmas. When you. Hey, hey, rich. Hey, dennis. You know, why did the, hey, hey, instead of the, hey, this time, don't you? Absolutely. I do. Hey, hey, we're the Monkees kinda crazy to think that after more than fifty years doesn't top forty hits three number one singles and each of their regional for LP's going to number one that the monkeys have never released a holiday record until now sixteen million albums seven point five million singles in two and a half years. That's an incredible amount of output. When you think about it, especially since they weren't quote aband-, but they were abandoned we learned in that earlier monkeys podcast with Mickey Dolan's. That's right. And Mickey is back. And we also have Mike Ness Muth, and our friend. John Hughes who was exact producer of the new Christmas party album by the Monkees Christmas party does feature all four members of the monkeys and follows in the footsteps of their critical. Acclaimed two thousand sixteen release good times. And here's the cool part. And I got to meet him recently. He is the coolest dude Adams lessons IRS back as the producer. And he brought a whole pile of his very talented friends along with them. Of course, you know, him from fountains of Wayne's Stacy's mom. Yeah. And didn't he also? Right. The main track for that thing you do. Yes. He did. Yeah. That was a great song that could have been a hit in the sixties for mazing, songwriter, amazingly talented. He's just got that thing when it comes to working with bands, whether it's his own or others. And I mean, we're talking hooks major hooks. You mentioned all the friends that Adam brought along for this new record the trap. We heard at the top of the podcast unwrap yet Christmas was written by Andy Partridge of x c and then we have other new tracks from the lex rivers Cuomo from weezer, Peter buck REM Scott McCoy, the minus five and atom even wrote a track himself for this one. Can I go back to rivers Cuomo of weezer? Yeah. There's this track called what would. Santa do. And the thing overall about this particular Christmas party is it's a party for the times. And thinking about the people who are involve whether it's Adam or or Cuomo or Peter buck, these are very aware people. So if you listen to the lyrics of things like what would Santa do or house of broken gingerbread? These are Christmas songs for the times. Rich, certainly not your grandparents Christmas carols. No, I mean, look we all need a little Christmas cheer and some years more than most. I mean, you have a track called Jesus Christ big star cover on this record pretty cool that's brave enough itself. But I mean think of a world where back that many years ago. The monkeys would meet big star would meet weezer would meet, you know. I mean, it's incredible. And then and then merry Christmas, baby. Oldham it funk too. We did mention that all four Monkees are on this album. Peter torque turns in a banjo laced version of angels, we have heard on high and the late great Davy Jones appears on two tracks silver bells and Millais Khaliq Maka using his vocals from archive recordings mixed with newly recorded tracks. And how about nez is talented sons Christian Jonathan producing their father onto tracks the Christmas song and snowfall. And while how about the McCartney cover. I mean, how appropriate is that at this moment in time with MAC being so back in the mix. It's true. This album is really monkeys fans are gonna dig this. But outside a monkey's fans people are really going to find this music. Interesting. It is a really well produced. Well, put together record. That's a joy to listen to and you know, rich, you would expect I'm gonna have some trivia for you wizard. I wish it could be Christmas every day. Nineteen seventy-three. Do you know who wizard was the leader of wizard was no lead on ROY would co-founder yellow he left after their first record went onto form wizard ban. Only lasted for a couple of years. But that I wish it could be Christmas. Everyday is one of those covers songs that was actually a hit Brits, no more than anything else. And it's just so brilliant. It's on this Christmas party album. Well, what do you say we get right to John Hughes conversation with Mickey Dolan's and Mike Nasmyth Dennis. I think that it will cheer us all. John Hughes here, and I'm here with probably one of the preeminent pop vocalists in rock and roll history. And I say this all the time I'm gonna say it again. He's awesome. Mickey Dolan's a hall, John. Thank you so much. Here's the twenty. Thank you think that so we're here, obviously talk about the Monkees Christmas record Christmas party and how it came about. And who's on it and how you felt about it. And how you feel about it today. And Well, I I must admit after the success of good times. We all we're wondering as you may remember, what do we do? Now. What do we do next right in the follow up? And I know that for me, and I felt it was the general consensus was that. We can't do good times too. Better times few months later. I mean, it took fifty years to get that album together. And I remember thinking just no way we're going to pull together good times too. With all those tracks that were been forgotten for fifty years and all these uncrossable writers and get Ben giver rivers Cuomo natty Partridge to all of a sudden come up, and then I think it was you came up with the Christmas album idea if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. It was just like you said it was like how do you follow good times without being you know, a carbon copy of 'cause we'd get slaughtered? If we went out with just another copy of good times, if you had three years to write something together, but record companies being as greedy as they are. They wanted another CD out. So whoever was I thought it was you it was me. And when you said Christmas record, I was like, of course, because it's not trying to be good times too. Right. And you guys. History with Christmas. Yeah. And we never did a Christmas right album. We only did that one Christmas song reissue. So that kind of made sense. But I did wonder where's the material gonna come from? You know, do all standards, you know, which I thought would not probably work. Then all of a sudden, we just put the word out to a lot of the people that had written for good times. And all of a sudden they came back with you know, some monster material. Yeah. It was interesting the standards versus new material fight. It was a fight. Really? Yeah. It was can you? Tell us clean who people people here people there a suits. Yeah. No. I know I think it was also some of you guys as well. I think there was a little question. It wasn't so much a fight. That's the wrong word. I think it was a very creative yet fate a spirited discussion. What is this? What is this album? It kind of came to okays seventy percent thirty percent. We kind of said, let's look at the songs. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. What you remember the first round where it was actually titled winter world, and it was supposed to be really melancholy. And. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That kind of blown up, and then I came up with the title, you'll time which I thought was a cool thing. Because obviously good times you'll times. But I like I love the title now in the material Jesse. We have a call. We have a caller. Let's take this caller rolling in. Hello. I this Mika Dolan's here. Rhino records who's this? The captain of the aircraft carrier trying to park out front of cedar Sinai. Well, hang on a second. And we'll just call security and get your parking pass. Okay. That's what the lady said. I needed that. I needed another ticket of leave. She said it was thirty six hundred dollars. Maybe thirty six thousand dollars. It's thousand hang on one minute. Throat. Hired this guy. He can't talk. Nobody understands him getting on the radio and trouble. Obviously we have Michael joining us on the fan. Yeah. Or as inkers away. You sound great. How you doing? I feel really good to the last two doctors I got one which is a cardio guy and one which is what's the sugar thing. Oh, diabetes. And they said, you know, it all looked great. Don't don't have any symptoms in good shape? And I feel fantastic. Looked and sounded great the other night in Connecticut for that great letter. It was a real boost, man. I was can't you can imagine. How relieved everybody? And you sounded great band sounded great. You look you look great. And and here here's to it. And here's to this pretty cool Christmas out, man. I gotta tell ya snowfall. Oh my God. I remember my mom saying that, you know. His wife wrote the lyrics nineteen forty one. I think was the instrumental. I heard it was Manhattan transfer. And that's what I told Jonathan. And he said, well, I'll use it as a point of departure. And I thought he did just perfect. You know, it's it's close enough to recognize our and the legacy, but it's also far enough away to demonstrate its creativity. In your vocal is absolutely gorgeous. You know, it's wonderful and all kudos to Jonathan snow. Spirit of full disclosure. Most of those vocals our job. He does. He does a good Mike Nasmyth does. Does he didn't do the lead? And he's her first and second. It wasn't. I thought that was Jonathan I'm leaving. How would you let him I said, you know, little kids not gonna come up from the back bedroom and say, by the way can take over all your time in legacy with. Like, no bed. Pacify back in. Well, it's interesting because snowfall along with the Christmas song they sound like first national band out takes from the seventies. I think I think it's amazing. How great you sound? And how good Pete Finney sounds on those tracks in the production from Christian Jonathan. Yes. Staying on an open. Rose to nipping. No. Yuletide? Being some. And. Dressed like eskimos. Buddy. No. Jerky and some mistletoe. Two. Season. Todd. There. Well. Two. They know that. Loaded a lot. And mother. Is gonna spy. To see rain, really, no. I think the most important thing I have to say to meeting for by listening. I wanna that you all. It doesn't. That way you have bite. Take two attorney. Hello. And you can quote him. A good time you soon, and so great so healthy. So so your voice like, I say, your voice sounded so good. I was the first national band tour. Unbelievable. I loved it. What about no? It wasn't on the tour that I saw show. What about what about you? As what did you think have time on the road? It did and you know, the ban while they're not in terms of actual practice and billing first call session, guys. They all play like first call session guys so up there with these guerilla who can play anything throw, it an instantly understand the aesthetics of any song. We're after all have a great sense of legacy. So they can go back in there. And you know, throw the line in the water and pull up something by chip very that. Nobody ever heard. So from that standpoint working in front of a group like that is a rare treat you don't get it much as a singer. You know, most of the drummer tro, piano. Trying to sit up. So. Not these guys, you know, they were on it and audiences were mazing. I mean they were on their feet after every song, and they would jump up in and I would wave them back down. It said nobody's that'll to go. Yes. We had a move that. Appears. You know, I don't want to minimize this though, you went out on the road after coming off the tour with Mickey going to the hospital taking break to record these songs Christmas record. I mean, it's amazing. It amazes me. He's still alive. Boy. She's don't even don't even go there. And I remember that same sort of response that you and I got on the mic and Mickey show. It was just phenomenal those reactions from those audiences. Let's talk about that. You guys are going back out. Again, we are in March. We're going to pick up at least the four dates that were postponed. And then who knows you know, but white, and, you know, make me an offer. I think if we put some time into make and we and we really got our sharp knives out tools, we could craft something that was very creative in new. Nobody's seen it. You know, nobody really does what we do. Which is you know, we're a stand up soft shoe shovel off to buffalo act. That's up there playing, you know, screaming death metal head. And it's a for me. It's kind of a magic trick is just something that happens. You know? A little bit. Like a magic trick the songs, of course, we're well crafted and well rehearsed. But in between, we didn't, you know? And I think that was part of the charm. Scene. You guys multiple multiple times. It was definitely a unique experience with you. From a lot of people in in the audience is just was out on. They would say, well, we came to the first show because we didn't know what we're going to see. And we just wanna see how you were. We were worried about your health and just to make sure that you were. Okay. But God we love the show so much. We came back the second time, which was you know, city away. And now we've got tickets to the third fourth shows, and it was that kind of longevity. It was opening up for them for me to see for the first time because I've never seen anything like that in my career. This is fantastic. This is what the audience pours out when you give them what you have to give. Besides music, which Alexei a given that it is great songs by great writers and performed really. Well, the thing that I love about it knows is that this is the first time that you, and I sort of got to go back to that Mike and Mickey vibe that nobody ever for fifty years. Nobody ever saw that except on the set, and they they did know that it was the Mike and Mickey show like saying, Texas perch, but that's what it was this spontaneity. This improvisational thing. Which I gotta be honest. I did say I was very uncomfortable with improvisation right from the get-go when Jim Frawley was brought in to teach us because I'd never done that. I was a child star with a script, you know. And I learned my lines. I went in and I'd never done improv of any kind. It was a curse in you started to improv your dialogue on a television set, and you'd be fired. What are you trying to say girl? Spending. So he's not spending. You are. So all of a sudden, you know, I was I was uncomfortable with it for a while. And then all of a sudden it turns out that that nesn. I with the ones that really fell into those moments. We're doing now just all of a sudden and some of that stuff to their credit bobbin Burt, and Jim Frawley and the editors abused. A lot of that stuff. That was not intended necessarily to be used. What about you? You have no acting experience at that point. So was improv difficult or was it just something that happened? No. That was my native IMO, but I got on the set looked around. And this sounds you know, like, I'm from sand. But I decided very quickly that the guy wanted to follow. In was Mick, this is the guy who knows what's going on here. He's a lot of time in front of a camera. So follow him. Did you know that I made that choice mic to do that? No. Yeah. Well, 'cause I didn't wanna make me. ACL conscious are you so conscious? But I think closest engine when the close up camera would come up mic would take a position next to the principal that made sure he hit nose to this green time. And so I thought well that looks smart to me. I want to go down that road. And sometimes it would get way way out of control in, you know, the directors and producers and writers pulls back. Very well. Wouldn't you know that was not just our fault? They had encourage nah, instructed us into this feeling of improvisation and spontaneity like these classes like we took with with gel for all who was out of second city with Mike Nichols land may and they encouraged us to do this. And I always likened it to sort of officiant reaction like a nuclear fission. You gotta let it go because you otherwise, you don't get any energy. Interchange. Don't get you don't really get the create him swing the pin. Because you know, you're starting to happen by wrote. I must give credit to the writers and the producers of the show because they must've been riding a very fine line between this vision reaction, really creating a lot of energy or melting a hole through the center of the earth, which it didn't couple times with Hans Conrad for Cincinnati. And then or you put a cap on it if you squish it down and put to title it on your crush it. And they wrote a very fine line. I gotta handed to them. But it must be said the scripts that were written by at the time really incredible really well-crafted scripts, and when you do him prov if you do have a script or if you do have a structure. Yeah. Roadmap and all improvisation artists will tell you that if you have a roadmap, which they do like never say, no is one of those little rules and things like that. And and I think Nezin I really boy, I remember some really amazing moments. Well, that chemistry just with some exceptions. I would say auntie's municipal court girl. I knew somewhere it was never capitalized in the recording studio, though, do you feel? Yeah. Zilch, Mr. Dobalina, Mr. Bob Reich, has an I well, let us tell where he got that one from mine was China clipper calling Alameda was from my mom who used to say it from a movie in the forties called China clipper. I think it was called China Nipah calling alum and her and her teenage friends one around going China clipper calling Alameda, and as you tell them we're Daba Lena came from I y. I. Department store in downtown San Antonio named frost brothers the guy got on the microphone, and he said, Mr. Delina, Mr. Bob Dobalina, Mr. Lena, Mr. Bob Dobalina, and that was it. And I lost. I started laughing. So what's the matter? What are you laughing? And I said listen to this. This is a guy who's doing some kind of spoken poetic thing. Of course. I didn't have two words for rap at the time. But it was a line in the words up. So that their meaning flowed into each other the same way the rhythm float into each other. But absolutely without any consciousness of doing it. So I started around Mr. w miserable up. And then we were all in the studio for us really not knowing what to do next here. Let's try this. And and the song before it came to a close and somebody started out since we don't have anything to. And then I I started in Mr Daul, Lena, Mr.. You guys just kind of separated though, and it became producing your own stuff. Yeah. Going forward. So there was a not so much interaction like that. But nez you still like using Mickey on some of your songs for vocals. Well, I mean, I think that there's a little spark between the two of us. We're not the same by a long stretch, but we do have appreciated of same things, and that that goes a long way towards smoothing out work together problems. And one of the things that you know, enjoyed about working with is shooting the occasional wild shot in the middle of nowhere in Washington ricocheted around the room, and especially when mid pops up from the middle of nowhere in a strange character mask with a huge baseball glove and catches the bullets ricocheting. And those are things that are kind of you know, monkey stick. But they don't have any race on debt outside. Just the fact that they're funny, and they make you laugh. To the idea. First of all to the idea the Christmas, Al. Yeah. Thought it was terrible. Why? So well, you know, I'm a bit of a fuzzy buddy when it comes to theology and sacred texts and so forth. I don't play too fast and loose with that stuff because they have deep Embiid meetings. And so when the sacred season comes around roll thanksgiving in on that and hardly some of hell away. But but when Christmas and thanksgiving in those times, come around, the culture skies just filled with music, but they're not, you know, they're not gags songs. It's not jingle bell rock, and it's not, you know, Rudolph the red nosed reindeer they're much more sacred than that. So I take them, you know, and take them with the seriousness, and I think in the harmonies needs to be right for me. So for well, none of that was a little on the album the driving conceit was let's make an album of the Monkees singing Christmas songs. And I thought that was a terrible idea. Why? What would you do? Well, I don't mean to you know, I'm not ridiculing. No, it's interesting because I think no one if they were to ask what songs would Michael Nesmith one is seeing on Christmas. And I don't think anyone would have picked the Christmas song and snowfall. Yeah. No. I know that I mean, it's my hidden that king Cole. I keep him at hand. All the time in case that needed tobacco cigarette. No. But it's interesting and it turned out. So well that, you know, your instincts were obviously, correct? I mean, I'll think I'll take credit for that. But I tell you where the credit is is in those two songs and snowfall is just you know, a musical giant. I mean, it's such a great piece of music, and you can't go wrong with it. And what we did was we lifted the core the Manhattan transfer's vocal techniques, and where they stacked harmonies up, and then we enter interleaved it with pedal steel guitar and with a few other instruments that are unexpected to, you know, buff up the kind of harmonic interplay between the way all those chords and notes went together. What it does is? It turns into a snowfall. It doesn't it doesn't seeing about snowfall. It turns into one, and that's that's hard to gronk right at first. But it's it's very true. And when it does do that to electrify me. Really is in no Christian has mixed some live stuff for you before. But is this the first time you've had Christian and Jonathan produce. You what was that like, well, it's fantastic. I mean, first of all they're they're super prohibitions. So it's like working with the first call guys LA or Nashville, and there's very little that the can't play and what they can't play. They learn really fast, and we share a musical heritage. You know, we we we went to the same church saying the same hymns, we went to the same drive ins, we did all that stuff that you do as family. So the music of sixties permeated, the music of our family home, and they know all that stuff and Christian in Johnson just stayed with it and went ahead and partied with the rest of the animals learned all the music from the seventies and the eighties and getting close to the classic rock Christian even to this day plays in a in a zip and. What do you call it? Or like Tribune. Here you go. Thank. Took a walk down the bare stand so having all those shared values. The only thing they didn't really understand it was country music. And I've been in the process of teaching them by version of that since as long as I can remember Christian taught himself to play the slide guitar and Jonathan's always been very compass. Keyboard keyboarding Qatar. So we acquire up there, which sounds like more is because there's six voices roll that into it. You know, it turns into another experience all together, I think that was all caught on the record for entry. It's not live on record. But it sure did feel like Jonathan understood every note, and every swing of it of of every beat in that song really amazing when you consider both songs came together from nothing to almost fully finished in four days. My kids in multi-talented because Jonathan along with his partner Susan is directing one of the music videos from the album and animation. They all do themselves. I mean, it's magical. Yeah, it's very and he did the video for you bring the summer from times. So just very talented. Brewed you have there. I love it. When they come up for holidays. We turned set of bunch of cameras in the living room and around and recorders and just turn on a little more. Another song writer and contributor that came down in who was really bummed. He missed you. Michael was eater. Buck from our Yelm. Yeah. It was great meeting him. I was in REM fan. Oh, yeah. And I was thrilled that he was there. It was. It was great. That was quite a nice nice little moment. Yeah. And I think the album is interesting that it's the first Monkees record that even came near trying to cover a Beatles. Song or a song by Beatles? Wonderful Christmas time by Paul McCartney tricky. Yeah. Now, it's a tough thing. Tough thing to do. I hope it came out. Okay. I think it came out. Great. I, but you know, I'm biased now. Spirit some. We're here. A medicine. One time. One time. The pod is. The feelings. This time of year. One time. One thing. We haven't talked about is the cover concepts. I Michael Allred, which I don't know if you guys have any feelings about that. If you like Michael's work. Oh, well, I do. I mean, I thought it was appropriate. You know, I think it was appropriate. So many different ways you could have gone and tried to make a statement. And and everything, but given the kind of material and also let's face it, given what people's perception of the Monkees was and is the fans, and I mean, the people that are going into target and in bats how they see us. That's how they remember us. I have no problem with that. I think unless there's anything else you wanna cover. I think we're good. Stay on the line. Oh, no. That was that was has nothing else to cover what? But the one thing. I don't wanna leave dangling. Is it make an are gonna go out in him right after the first of the year right March or something like that? Yeah. So those are good shows. Come you know, we're only going to do for five right or five or six. Doing at least the four that we owe that you know, that we miss the for at least those and I've heard rumors that there are other offers or suggestions of offers. And I guess we'll just have to take those one at a time as they come along. Yeah. Say fall off to sailing. Yep. Exactly. Nice talking DNS to hang in there. Love to everybody loves the family. Take care yourself here to have a wonderful holiday season. Okay. My brother. Thanks so much appreciated by one thing that is kind of similar to this. As good times is the return of the producer, Adam Schlesinger. What was it like working with Adam again, it's always been incredibly rewarding or can without him. I mean, not only does he obviously have the right sensibility for this kind of material and for good times. And now the Christmas album, but this is such a great guy to be around so much fun to. Work with a really does. Nobody wants he's very very specific. It doesn't waffle around, you know, which I respect and I like because I kind of know what I want, and I don't wanna spend hours and hours. I can't spend hours and hours and hours going over every possible variation on a theme. So I do like that. And it reminds me frankly of how I used to record in the original days in the sixties, the production method his production method was very very similar to how I had to record. Because I'd go off and I'd be doing the television show ten hours a day. And then have to go in the studio and sometimes due to lead vocals in a night. I can't do that anymore. You did while I did a couple of times. But I wasn't doing it. Ten hour rhyming shower, I was sleeping four. But I like the idea of knowing what you want going in there and just getting done. There's an. Edgy to it. There is because in those in the old, of course, you did not have luxury of seven hundred thousand tracks, you know, virtual tracks. So you could do it in every possible different Wyan time and take you couldn't do that. You know, basically, you were doing these songs almost live because it was four tracks as as we all know, so you had to have your stuff together, you know, and you had to make those creative editorial decisions beforehand and during the recording process because you just didn't have the option you had to make these choices. And there's something to be said for that. Because under fire, you do tend to maybe make the right choices. I used to ride a lot as a kid and then through school, and I would write on the typewriter a little myth, corona regular old typewriter, and our member having to be very careful pre think of what I was going to type because I knew that when I went back. To read it. If I wanted to change something I had to get out only racer the little round eraser with the brush on the and I had to fix it and go back or redo the whole page. I hurt someone's mom invented that. Yeah. Yeah. Now with computers, of course. But but having to make those editorial decisions time and stick by there's something to be said for that. Yeah. And also in in praise of Adam this was an album that was done with real instruments and a real studio drum machine, you know. And no sense. I mean, row keys. So it was it's interesting to make an album that way in two thousand eighteen now I have just tons of admiration for for Adam. And I called in the other day on you know, we congratulate each other, you know, and hopefully and all they'll be some Nelson in the future. Never know. I hope so we in monkey world. We never say never never say. Never. And on that note. I. Can't think of a better way to wrap this up. And thank you so much for coming. Micky Dolenz, we appreciate it. Thanks, john. Thank bedrick and Christmas party by the Monkees is available right now. Go grab it. Meli killing Kim is thing to say on the Brian ho y and Christmas day. That's the island greeting that they send to you from land. Where palm trees? Hillary now, the Christmas will be green and Brian the son John by day. And all the star nine Nellie linking. Mark is a wise way. Same Christmas to you. I'm alone travel from so far away. Be home on Christmas day. But I've got friends to help me break in land where latest way. Halen? The going comes zooming in Beijing in mind. Manning failing game is so. Way. Thank you marry Christmas to you. Dennis. Let interview put you in the Christmas spirit. It did. Because look this Christmas party album is a gift keeps on giving. It's really kind of amazing that the monkeys never did a Christmas album that just seems like such an obvious idea fun jovial upbeat, but they had never put out a holiday until now so rich where can we find this Christmas party release to fail on CD and all of your favorite streaming platforms. This is going to be fantastic Mitchell share with your friends and family. It's really something. You can spice up your Christmas. Playlists? There's something on this album for everybody. It's familiar brand new at the same time merry Christmas baby and last, but certainly not least don't forget to hit that subscribe button. So you don't miss the next rhino cast executive producers for rhino, John Hughes. Lauren Goldberg produced for rhino by pop cold enrich may hand promotions. All rights reserved.

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11 Trivia Questions on Timeline of Events

Trivia With Budds

07:59 min | 9 months ago

11 Trivia Questions on Timeline of Events

"Do you like to put things in order because I've got an episode for you where I give you ten different events from history and you put them in the correct order. This is called timeline of events, and this is trivia would buds. EARNED, what it'd be and welcome to another episode of the Trivia with Buds podcast I'm your host Ryan. Bud. Thank you so much for checking out my show and thanks so much for telling a friend about this very podcast. This show grows bigger and better every day. Thanks to listeners like you, and if you have a buck to spare, you can support the show monetarily over at Patriot dot com slash trivia with buds where you can donate one up to fifty dollars and you can get all kinds of different rewards sent to your house every month I'm just getting ready to. Send out everything mid August for the end of July and we will have some very cool stuff going out to supporters of the show stuff like stickers stuff like button stuff like r e book club and stuff like all of my digital powerpoint slides that a use for live and virtual events. I. Send those to you every single month at the highest tier. So if you're a fellow trivia, you need some content that would be the one for you. If you've got a buck despair jump into that tier and I'll send you a digital newsletter amongst other cool stuff every single month. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the sport. That's Patriot. Dot Com slash trivia with buds guys. If you have cable and you're watching television, you might see me on a commercial for Dave, which is a money. Management APP it's called Dave I, think it's a little bear on a green background that's the icon and Annabel, and my daughter are on a commercial. That's. Right, now where it's US talking about things, we can do with all this extra money we're saving by using, Dave. So check that out. There's one that's airing. That's just me and there's one that's me and Annabel. and. Then there's another one that's me and Annabel. So there's a couple of different alternates, but a lot of messages almost every single day someone goes hey, is this you in this commercial? Is this your daughter So check that out. It's a hollow around television the DAVE APP if you've seen somebody that looks like me, that is in fact me and Annabel. All Alright today's episode is called timeline of events. We have not done this maybe ever or if we had before, it was a long time ago on the podcast before I'm GonNa, give you ten events and you just have to put them in the correct order that they happened. Okay. Put them in the order that they happen. So this'll be one that you kind of have to write out if you're driving I mean you could do it for fun, but it would be a lot easier. You could write down these things in the order that they happen That'll be the whole episode we're going to jump into those ten pieces of history right now. Here we go. All right timeline of events. Let's see. You could put these in the correct order. Here's number one be Rubik's cube was invented number one the Rubik's cube was invented number one. Number two. The Mask starring Jim Carey is released number two, the mask starring Jim Carey is released number two. Number three. I'm a believer by the monkees hits radio waves number three I'm a believer by the monkees hits radio's number three. And number four Al Gore run for president alongside Joe. Lieberman. As his vice president number four. Run for president alongside Joe Lieberman as his VP number four. Number five, the frozen food process is invented by Clarence Bird's-eye number five. The frozen food process is invented by Clarence Bird's-eye number five. And number six Bozo, the debuts on television Bozo the clown debuts on TV. Number. Seven ground tweets, hell. Naw. Though number seven Ariana Grande tweets Hell Naw though. Number Eight Kenny loggins releases I'm all right for caddyshack number eight, Kenny loggins releases I'm all right for caddyshack. And number nine beats by dre headphones come out number nine beats by dre headphones come out. And number ten, the great train robbery is directed by Edwin s porter. The great train robbery is directed by Edwin, s? Porter. And those are all of your events guys, thanks for playing along. If you're playing live with me, the bonus question was if you all incorrect the correct order, you get ten points for all ten that you got to bonus points for getting all of them She could that way or you can just do the first ten whatever you WanNa do this show is customizable for you? We'll be right back in just a second with the timeline of events in the correct order. We are back with the answers to the timeline of events episode from today, and we have that correct order four you. I'm going to read them in the correct order. So here we go number one the great train robbery is directed by Edwin s porter. That was one of the world's first movies of all time number one, the great train robbery number one next, we had number two, the frozen food process invented by Charles Bird's-eye number two, the frozen food processes invented by Charles Bird's-eye I want to say that was the thirties number two, number, three, Bozo, the clown debuts on TV. Debut. On TV I think that was nineteen, forty, nine, number three Bozo late forties early fifties number four I'm a believer by the monkees hits radios that was the late sixties number four, I'm believer by the monkees number five, the Rubik's cube was invented it was popularized in the eighties, but it was actually invented in Nineteen, seventy four. then. We had number six Kenny loggins releases. I'm all right for caddyshack that was nineteen eighty. Number seven mask starring Jim Carey is released I want to say that was like ninety, five, ninety, four or something like that. And number eight Al Gore run for president alongside Joe Lieberman as VP. That was two, thousand, two, thousand. Number nine beats by dre headphones come out. That was in the two thousands number nine and number ten Ariana Grande Eight tweets Hell Naw though I think that was two, thousand, seventeen or eighteen. So that was the correct order number one great train robbery to frozen food process number three Bozo. The clown number four I'm a believer number five Rubik's cube six Kenny loggins caddyshack number seven, the Mask Jim Carey eight Al Gore running for president. Nine beats by dre and ten Ariana Grande Tweeden some hell not though action and that is the correct order. Thanks for. Playing along with today's episode, we have the fact of the day coming at you now, and that fact is roller coasters were invented to distract Americans from sin isn't that interesting? The first roller coaster we need these kids the Stop Sinning let's put him on a ride that really thrills them so much so that they will stop sinning rollercoasters invented to distract Americans from sin there you have it. Thank you guys so much for listening to the show. Thanks for telling a friend about the PODCAST, and we'll see you next time for more trivia, with buds cheers.

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Holiday Special! Feat. the Monkees' Micky Dolenz, McElroy Brothers and more!

Bullseye with Jesse Thorn

1:03:02 hr | 1 year ago

Holiday Special! Feat. the Monkees' Micky Dolenz, McElroy Brothers and more!

"Hey all Jesse here. We're getting near the end of the year. I wanted to thank you for listening to Bullseye. Making our show isn't easy. We've got a very small staff that works tirelessly tirelessly to book guests and edit interviews and keep things running smoothly it is hard work takes time money and effort. It's also incredibly rewarding when I hear that at a guest is an NPR listener already. It means a lot and it means something to know that you're listening as well so I get to the point if you WanNa show your gratitude. This holiday season consider supporting the NPR member station in your area any amount. It's the single most effective way to keep shows like bullseye going. It'll make a huge difference to public radio in your community. It makes a huge difference to us to to get started with your donation to an NPR member station visit donate dot NPR dot org slash slash bullseye or. Just text the word Bullseye to the number four nine six four eight. We'll send you a text message with a link where you can find your local station GonNa make your contribution message and data rates may apply you can visit. NPR DOT org slash SMS terms for privacy and text message terms schools. I with Jesse. Thorn is a production of maximum fund dot org and is distributed by NPR. Aw I'm Jesse Thorn. I want you to think back to when you were a kid. What was that one present you got around the holidays that you remember the best when you dreamed about no kidding and then finally got? We put that question to Micky Dolenz the drummer for the monkeys. And he didn't hesitate. I think it probably was align all train set a big one the regional full-size and my dad. Who who was very handy with building stuff? He built me a a big platform in the garage. Where the train set? Would you know be set up. Well back then You know it was still a steam powered. We had to actually put real coal in the in the engine. It's Bullseye in this week. It's very special. Bullseye holiday. Bonanza you'll hear more from Mickey Dolan's if the monkeys keys about his favorite holiday memories he'll also talk about the band's Christmas album Mickey grew up listening to Christmas music but he didn't love it. I yeah not necessarily Shirley because I wanted to. But that's that's what they put on because when you're a kid your parents run the machine ran and we're just getting warmed up. We also got sage Christmas advice from the brothers mcelroy could Toss your keys in with your president to do that and I think that would probably spice things up. Plus Soul Singer Size Smith tells us about the holiday song that changed her life and more. It's all coming up on the Bullseye holiday spectacular. Let's go it's Bullseye. I'm Jesse Thorn I I up on our holiday spectacular Micky Dolenz of the monkeys. The monkeys was of course a television show it aired from nineteen sixty six to nineteen sixty eight it. It was a Hollywood version of a hard day's night four lovable goofs in a band playing songs bumming around Los Angeles solving mysteries staying in haunted houses. The band members Davy Jones. Mike Ness Myth. Peter Tork and Micky Dolenz weren't aban before the show started. They auditioned for the part. Most of them didn't really play instruments but they had some very legit hits. You the slow it. It's not a real surprised. The band lasted a lot longer than the show. They learned their instruments. Started arted writing their own songs. The whole deal when I talked with Mickey last year they just recorded their thirteenth studio album. Christmas party. It's a holiday record chock full of standards and uncovers even a few originals. It's also got contributions from rivers Cuomo Peter Buck and more. Mickey Dolan is the band's drummer and one of the singers as well. Here's the lead track on the album featuring nicki on lead vocals. It's called UNWRAP. You at Christmas Christmas breath. Nothing so you draw. Aw Four if you don't welcome to Bullseye it's great to have you on the show. Great to be here. I am such a big fan of you your show mom actually all of NPR art. I even did a challenge a couple of years ago. Big Big challenge a huge fan so so nice to be here with you. Oh that's awesome. Thank you for saying that I have an important question for you. Do you do like Christmas or are you a Christmas person. Yeah Yeah I am born and raised is in the in the Valley of La not an a huge religious sense. Just celebrating the Equinox celebrating. You know winner and and all that but yeah. We always had a big big Christmas. Do you have fond memories of Christmas when you work. Of course. Yeah wow is it. Was it in the valley. Was it like the most classic Yeah nineteen fifty suburban Christmas imaginable. Yes absolutely hit the nail head. My Mom We had this huge picture window looking out over the the backyard. Small House but nice big picture window. she would do a INC incredible painting. She was quite a great artist list and she would do some incredible Christmas actually she did it at Easter also and other moments and and she would do this beautiful You know what do you call it. And Not Graffiti on a big painting on the window and then with poster paint and then wash it off. Oh yes we we actually had very very classic of American Graffiti Christmases and Halloween's and thanksgivings. And you know all that stuff yeah very Norman Rockwell. Did you listen to Christmas music at Christmas time when you were a kid did not necessarily because I wanted to. But that's that's what they put on because when you're a kid your parents run the machine right. I mean some of of that stuff is some of that stuff is really good especially at that time argue with with your With Your Nat King. Cole's in your you know the crooner's made some really a great Christmas music. Oh no and funny. You should mention him because he is one of my favorite My influences vocally musically were people like nat king. Cole Johnny Mathis who I just met. Actually you know the Sinatra. I who I did meet data. Yeah my influences were all that stuff and Yeah I love love all that stuff. What was the best Christmas present present you ever got as a kid? ooh Wow Great Curl Weston. I think it probably was a lionel train. Set a big one the regional full-size you know mass gauge. It was but And My dad who who was very Handy with building stuff. He built me a a big platform in the garage. Where the train set? Would you know be set up so that was probably a big lionel full gauge. I don't know what they're called now but Probably a train set. That was probably Dan. Did you get involved in all the mechanics of it. That was like the dawn of computer programming was people who are really into switching. Their train sets well back then You know it was still a steam powered. We had to actually put real coal in the in the engine I've always been very very Into building stuff. I I have a actually a a woodworking furniture company with my daughter call Dolan's and daughters fine furniture and we we make handmade real high end kind of custom furniture stuff in a workshop that I have. I've always been into it. My Dad was an over the years I I got into it even uh-huh deeper and deeper and now I have this business and I I do it for the love of it you know and I was going to be an architect. That was my plan it really because you started acting as a kid. I mean both your folks were actors remembering correctly we did. was that like the family business. Or was that something they were trying to keep view away from. No quite the contrary it was the panel family. Business My Dad was an actor quite successful. My mom was a singer. Actress isn't till she started having kids and then she became a stay at home. Mom which thank goodness for us Of course it was wonderful awful But my dad did real well Signed the Howard Hughes of all people for a while and I had my first television series when I was ten it was called circus. Boy was on. NBC National National. You know big network Shell in the fifties about nineteen fifty five around that time of written ten and Floatin Fury Fury and all that and did very well. We Ran Two or three seasons until I kinda outgrew the part and then my parents very wisely asleep and by the way they had never pushed me into it. We weren't that kind of Hollywood Beverly Hills lifestyle which is fine for some. You know Isan teeth honey. Honey Isan teeth I was brought up in the valley and in a very rural suburban environment. You know I would come home from from shooting on the set and my father would say you have to clean the pool. had horses on the property and things like that so he was from formidably off the boat for mentally and my mom was from Texas. They were kind of no nonsense people and and didn't let me get away with melas going to say but I want because the operation running again so no they never. I don't ever remember being you you know pushed in any sort of Pressure at all. Did you like it. I mean what's something that you really want it. nope I followed followed in my father's footsteps about how could you not like you know being well. That series circus boy was this kid. the the the spine of it. The was it was a orphan kid at the turn of the century. Who'd been adopted by a clown in a circus and they took care care of him and he turned out being the one that would also solve the save the day? So I'm living for three years Basically I was living. Wing is a ten or twelve year old kid in a circus the turn of the century. How can you not like that? I mean with an out an animal's Charles. I learned to ride an elephant and in fact that was the first thing they said to me. They said okay. Well you know you're GonNa have to ride an elephant and I said okay. Where do I started when I got the monkeys this well? You're going to be the drummer. I said okay. Where do I start? We have a clip of circus boy. the show in which you start As a preadolescent or I guess an adolescent it was as as you mentioned about young man whose parents were killed in a trapeze accident. Your character was named Corky adopted by. Hi Joey the clown by the late Noah Berry junior and in this scene corky is the waterboy Bimbo the baby elephant that we've discussed and In this clip Corky Corky is there with Bimbo. And Joey you gotTA brush your teeth after every meal. 'cause if you never got into thanks to they corky have you seen Joe Joe any place or you know I figured out how to open up his cage all by himself half the time. I can't tell who's training. Who here here? I've been trying to make a clown out of that monkey making a monkey out of me. Good kind of like. Why would you put on makeup in your? Aw Cute I like that. I like your aligned delivery. I mean it is the classic EST nineteen fifty-six six trial on a television show liner at delivery. Like absolutely right. I ended up doing a lot of voice overs in in the seventies over cartoons and it was that same kind of thing you know it was. I was like always the kid named skip doing Hanna Barbera cartoons going. ooh ooh no here. We go tell me where you were in your life when you you got the part on the monkeys I had gone back to high school after circus boy. My parents very wisely took me out of the business I had been offered another show. They told me years later But I was turning thirteen going into puberty and I. They sent me to a child psychologist. They said it was an educational counselor but looking back now I know it was a shrink With Rohrschack and all that and I guess he must have said you must take this child at does business immediately because as we've heard the horror stories stories The the problems come with child stars up after the fact not during during the The the during the success. You're you're glorified they love you. Everybody loves you. And you're taking care of and then all of a sudden one day you're has has been You're out of work and You're just entering puberty. which is tough enough as it is but now you're not only entering entering puberty but you're has been entering puberty and my parents? I don't know they just wisely. I guess with the aid of this Child psychologist allergists said. No we're not gonNA let him do another show he's going back to school public school right off of the set and I literally one morning one Monday morning ended up back in junior high school. What they called it? Then as a ninth grader With my roots grow my brown roots growing out from my blonde bleached hair from the TV series. And so they threw me right back into to to the real world and then after high school I went to college doing anthropology psychology Couple of other got into science you know got into electronics and was really getting into science and building stuff and I you know a father then passed away a year after I got out of high school which did present some problems obviously and I was at at a bit of a loosen I would be doing little guest shots I had an agent and the agent would get me a little job on peyton place or Mr Novak or one of these Blake fifties early sixties shows and and My but that wasn't my plan. I you know I I was doing it kind of her summer. Money and a friend of mine said you know we both like building stuff. Which I we did both of us in our you know had a workshop even then and he said let's be architects sex and start a little architectural firm so I enrolled in to trade tech I just got an Honorary Marie Award Not Award would call it. Honorary degree from from them. I did about a year and a half to three semesters but in the summers mors. When when I wasn't going school I would do these little? TV shows and Get shots and but I wasn't stupid. I mean we knew the power of Showbiz. I'd had a series. I knew how you know. Valuable and an important in life changing it can be and so one pilot season in one thousand nine hundred sixty five comes along and My agent I had an agent and I was going to school every day. And he would say Hey got an audition for you. Three o'clock on Thursday bomber. Some I would go to some. I would say I'm sorry I got a test and I didn't And so the monkey audition of comes along I did even at the time. SORTA since this was kinda different especially in the fact act that you had to be able to sing and play an act To get into the audition or get through it So so clearly. They must have had in mind at the time that they were going to kind of create. This sort of you know real a musical entity I guess yes My audition piece on guitar was Johnny. Be Good by Chuck Berry. I I still do it to this day And then there was acting and scene. Studying Improv the IMPROV. Had the most trouble with Mostly an uncomfortable. I am still to this day. with Improv because I was raised to learn the script read lines and show up and do the scene and go home and so the audition process was quite extensive but my agent calls and says You've got the pilot but and I was in school studying to be an architect and and I said great and I took off ten days to do the pilot and then I went back to school because I knew that nine out of ten pilots to don't sell and I wouldn't take a chance so I went back to school studying to be an architect and then when we got the order for the first season the twenty six episodes of the first season. I didn't then I decided I better quit school. More of the Bullseye holiday specials. Still to come stay with US size Smith the mcelroy brothers and other stuff. It's Bullseye for maximum fun dot Org and NPR support for this podcast and the following message. Come from today ticks us today. Tech's to find theater and arts tickets for the night of or months in advance with today. 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We'll just the five minutes theresa crying and screaming until the ultra was played. So join US each week as a judge last. Laugh more and remind you that you're org doing a great job on maximum fund dot org on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Bullseye holiday special. I'm Jesse Thorn. I'm here right now. With Mickey Dolan's he's a singer and drummer for the monkeys. When we talked last year the band had just put out their first ever holiday album? It's it's called Christmas party. Let's listen to another song from it. This one's called. What would Santa Do? They don't work that on the street. It took joe making things my own way clinch best and Sacremento. I and I have a clip from The TV show the monkeys appease and it's from episode called the monkees. Watch their feet in which You make are abducted by aliens. Classic muggy storyline. So we're about to hear you you are on a you've been blamed beamed onto a flying saucer you are then then cloned by the blues blue skinned captain and his assistant. Then you're evil. Evil robot double is unleashed back into the world to spy on the other monkeys. Peter Tork and Michael Nasmyth. Let's take a listen isn't aspe sheep over that most powerfully persuasive argument of his face. Elliot what does the spaceship look like. I don't know I know so on before. And how do you know it is patient is right man. Probably the driving recognize aliens. Take note of strange behavior next thing. I'm hearing enemy corners. They have Monica destructors here. Do you also insufferable tortures here on Earth. They tear off a Ted definitely not ear. Put the head back on the body. I don't know how it stays alive. Make you eat toys. You just say one. What will you actually very strange? You know I'm not asking strange. I'm acting perfectly normal. There's nothing about me is a lot of nonsense for a television show in the mid. Nineteen Sixty Ole boy. A lot but Interesting you should say that if you look back and I've studied studied it. I've done lectures now. People have asked me you know for years in what was it. How was it? Well how did it happen it. It wasn't that If you look back at it really wasn't that I what's the word I'm a I guess surprising because the producers had made some very clever early on decisions when they were doing their Bible which is the essence of of a show for starters and funding enough? I was just listening into an interview you did with Eric. Idle who I know. I've known for years. And he was talking about Monty Python's and he mentioned how the humor was not topical. The monkeys humor was not topical nor was it satirical and I think that's one of the reasons why the monkeys and Monty Python and I love Lucy other shows Stand up for so long. Because they're not topical and that was a conscious decision. Asian that the producers made. We're not gonNA talk about anything in the news this week. We're not GONNA do anything to satirical It was a another friend of mine. A guy named John Lennon Oak. Did I drop that name. I'll grab it got WHO said the monkees were like like the Marx brothers? And if you look at the monkeys show of the project the whole thing as this sort of half hour marx brother's musical movie on television. Everything makes a whole lot more sense if you think of an old marks for this movie where everybody ran around and danced and sang hang and had a plot and there was a bad guy. Good guy and people were doing silly stuff and you know that scene you just played could have been right out of a marksman there's movie we were screened greened Marx brothers movies during the preparation process for instance so it was not coincidental. I mean there was some thought. Put put behind this that the show would not be topical. It would not be sterkel because that would date very quickly And also so a very important point I think is that the monkees were never successful. It was the struggle for success. Because that that I think and guess what endeared it to all those kids around the world was that we represented all those kids in their garages in their basements in their kitchen then wherever in their garage trying to be the Beatles and that is essentially what the monkey show is about this band that wanted had to be the Beatles and on the television show we never made it. It was always the struggle for success that that I think is like essay one of the things that endeared it to so many people. Did you want to be Lovable Marx brothers Ian goof-balls calls. Or did you want to be cool rockstars when the possibility that you actually may be could be cool. rockstars Came up in my case it was. I woke up one day and I fell asleep one night as a working actor entertainer singer singer musician. 'cause I had to do all that and I woke up in the morning as a cool rock star and I was like Whoa. When did that happen? it's kind of exemplified in his story. I've told a bunch of times During the showing on the air in September number of twenty six us what what. What century are we in the in the In September of sixty six and We've been filming since June July and recording of course all the time Dan Night I was doing most lead lead singing so I would go on set from seven in the morning to seven at night and then have dinner and then go into the studio and record vocal sometimes two or three a night and Because they needed so much material for the for the television show in one one And then that that Christmas that This time that you're sixty six. They gave us a hiatus to Show been on the air since September. We'd heard that it was doing very well. We'd heard that Clarksville had gone to number one but we're working twelve fourteen hours hours today in those days of course without social media and all that other kind of stuff you know. Get my car in the parking lot and drive home. Never never seen anybody never interact. Fans didn't know where we were found how to find us in a few just went home and that Christmas I am was GonNa drive up to San Jose where my parents and family lived time with my Christmas presents and have about a week or ten days. Whatever effort was often a little hiatus so I get my little Christmas list together? I get in my car and drive down to the local mall there in the Valais. Okay in Los Angeles where I chopped every year for decades in with my family and I get out of my car with my little list and I walk doc through the glass doors and all of a sudden people come running at me screaming and I thought it was a fire and I'm holding. Open the door going going slow down. Don't run don't panic. I literally did think it was a fire and they were running at me and I I had leave. I was really pissed off. I had to go and give my Christmas list brody and have him. Do the shopping got in my car and had to go home. Well that that was the first inkling that I had of of what was going on. I mean it sounds neat but it also sounds hard all it was a lot of work. Oh boy each episode took three days and then start the next one the very next day and then we started rehearsing for The the concert tour because they obviously had in mind that that if this thing happened they they wanted us to be able to play or they would not have cast people that could they wouldn't have bothered. They would have just cast actors and done at all everything else You know kind of old school. They clearly had in mind that they wanted a hoped. That if if the thing happened if if the show went that we would Go on the road and and record I mean and soy and perform and sure enough you know we did and we are. Our first concert was in Hawaii and Honolulu at the Taurean. I don't know how many thousands of people were there and I think that their plan was as well if we do it in Hawaii and it doesn't work no one will know. We'll have three weeks before. News mainland. Yes right but it did in And it was huge. Mike Nasima that I think put it very very succinctly One once he said you know at that point. Pinocchio became a real little. Oh Boy Mickey Dolan's thanks so much for being on Bullseye. It was great to get to talk to well. I hope that was okay for you guys. Thank you the snow. Did you might like to know. He's learned way somebody's face this Mickey Dolan's the monkeys holiday album is called Christmas party. It's out now. Here's one more song from it called. I wish it could be Christmas. Everyday is a cover of the nineteen seventy-three Glam Rock holiday plan. It's bull's eye Jesse Thorn. It's our annual Bullseye. A holiday spectacular this week when the holidays roll around. We love to get some pertinent advice from our friends the mcelroy brothers just stained travis and Griffin are the hosts of the smash it. podcast my brother my brother and me right here. At maximum fund they have joined me from their various disparate points across across this great nation Travis Griffin Justin. Welcome back to the show. Nice to have you thank you so much you I treasure my favorite Christmas tradition We've been doing it since we were toddlers. Actually Jesse a teenager would come into our home. That's right he's fifty five years old he would come home. Yes ask us for holiday advice. I mean imagine I I. It's been my holiday tradition for many years to travel the nation gathering questions for this even back when I was a team name. Yes that's why they call them. Jesse questions seeds travel the countryside collecting questions. Here's something from. I didn't keep the receipt so I got my boyfriend Polaroid camera for Christmas and it's already neatly wrapped underneath the tree however today. He told me he's planning to buy that same camera camera for himself. How do I convince him not to buy the camera without letting it slip that that's what I got him Last year I thought to get my wonderful awful niece Charlie. This little kids camera so I called my older brother Justin. Justin does she have this and he said no of course not and then when we arrived did their home for Christmas she totally did So now it's going to be a future present for my daughter so maybe you could re gift this camera to somebody somebody else or I don't know just say like hey don't buy that because Santa That's the traditional approach. Yes don't buy anything because SANA have you guys tried tried using the Santa excuse with your romantic partners. Unfortunately Santa can't bring the one thing. My wife wants for Christmas which she got her a little note to Santa Right here. It says she wants just like a second. Please just one second. And you've only got to read Justin. We have two two children which is so many try upgrading by fifty percent. My friend now Jesse. I can't repeat your mistakes. That's why the older generation is there for my generation Asian to learn from them. You've seen that movie misery. That could be a great solution. As problem boyfriend down his legs exist doesn't go bipolar but griffin you forgetting about one thing Amazon dot com also. He kills her at the end. I guess you're forgetting about two things things. Yeah Return. The camera get a tiny scanner so they can make those pictures relevant to this year in which we live twenty eighteen. Ad No no but just in. What if the question asked returns the camera and gets a tiny scanner but then the boyfriend doesn't buy a camera and instead I guess also gets a tiny tiny scanner? Oh Henry okay. Here's something from all. I want for Christmas tunes in Texas. I love Christmas. Machines Zun Polaroid camera and I hope they got the wood grain. I love Christmas music and I broke out my Christmas playlist at twelve o one. AM on November first this year. Wow my girlfriend however it is not like Christmas music because she's worked in retail for so along and had to hear it all day every day during the Christmas season. How do I convince her to get on board or at least to tolerate my Christmas jams? I have have found if you are willing to dig a little deeper. There's a great movie about this called Jingle Bell rocks about the vast loads of Christmas music that have not become wildly overplayed over the years. And if you did a little deeper. There's some fantastic Christmas music holiday music. Well however you want to slice it that is out there that has not been just like done to death. That's still very excellent. It's just like knock completely one thousand percent overplayed like like some of the classics asks. The director of that film is passed bull. I guess you can listen to a past Bullseye holiday special to hear you. Jessie just like one segment without that. Come on come on what I want for Christmas less wild self promotion I want. I want you to be mindfully president in this segment. Thank like you. I'll tell you what they're not blasting over the PA.. Barnes and noble is traditional. Nearly Ancient Christmas hymns give some of those going in there. I'm talking about these five stanza babies you can also good deeper into the the classics to get some of the virtues is that maybe we don't always get to dear. This is an actual verse. I was recently reading Larisa Jingle Bells this is an actual verse. Oh it gets wild a day or two ago the story I must tell l.. I went out on the snow and all my back I fell a was riding by a one horse open sleigh. He laughed as there. I sprawling lie but quickly drove away. What uh-huh cruel America's funniest home video in the middle of Jingle bells all these years and nobody anyways merry Christmas that's how Dr Atkins Diet? That's not funny. It is the justice kind of ooh. Here's something from Santa's future stepson. Was Mommy Really Kissing Santa Claus or was it just their partner dressed as Santa. Last last year I listened to the holiday classic. I saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus and had a realization that the reason daddy didn't see Mommy tickle. Santa was because Daddy was Santa. When I brought my findings to my friends they said I was wrong and it really was Santa that Mommy had smooch above his beard so snowy white who is Mommy Kissing Santa Real and a home wrecker or his? Mommy just into Santa play. I think kidding no I can't say definitively whether Daddy is Santa but I think we can all agree Santa is daddy thank you. Griffin has hit upon the possible symbol. Third option here. Santa Claus is Your Dad Song. Oh this saying internet sex way but sexy. See all manner there in a sexual manner. That's possible San is a major daddy. We can all agree on this. There's no argument here. I'm saying the song from the perspective of a Fred Claus Orin Arthur Christmas and Arthur Christmas. Thank you travis. Who finds out that he is in fact Santa's son? Oh okay okay. Here's the pitch I call the movie. I saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus Boy doesn't know his father's father's never been around. Oh what's that his father. Santa Green Light Green Light Green. Green light on thinking Fifteen Mil Get back to me and let me know what you think was green light. Green light green light a series of green lights and different media. Yes ask film. Television full motion video gaming. It was filmed television at McDonald's toys. Did you all know that a live action version of this. This film was adapted in two thousand. Two starring Connie CELICA and Corbin Bernsen. Swear God they did a whole movie. Eight blows my mind to even consider that this on that it's not the person dies after a boy seabed in Santa Claus suit kissing his mother. He thinks the real set of wants to replace father so he goes to prank war with them. How does that last longer? Go say one prank. Are you kidding me. That's a verse of the Song. I hadn't heard. Yeah Man I will say this Santa Claus when he does his job in your house makes himself vulnerable pretty much the entire time. He's in there. Yeah I mean his ingress is a pit pit of fire. There's a lot of easy ways to kill Santa. I've thought about this a lot. Strange note to end on. But here's something I'm from distressed in DC last year when flying home. I was stopped airport security because I had a wrapped gift in my carry on bag after they're being cleared as no threat to national security. I remarked to my girlfriend that it was weird. They stopped me for that. She said everyone knows. You can't bring a wrapped gift through security ready. I disagree my question is why aren't wrapped gifts allowed. Surely they can still see through them with their x ray machines emphasis mine. I'm not using lead lined gift. Wrap please help me understand so I can put this behind me are they checking are are they checking the wrapped gift carry carry on. They explicitly do say that. Okay good I mean this is the same sort of organization that thinks the pouches of Apple. Sauce I try to bring onto. The plane is actually two guns. So let's not start bringing reason into it now. I think the reason that the. PSA doesn't like it is they see and they think. Oh a present for me and I'm taking this with me and they're like Oh gosh. Here's something no jolly rally. In this holly in Tacoma Washington every year. We do a gift exchange on Christmas. But it's the same boring draw. The numbers pick a gift deal deal every year. Any suggestions on how to mix up a holiday gift exchange so people don't just fall straight to sleep when it's announced. Well he coulda but Toss your keys in with your president to Saturday that I ever probably spice things up. Here's either everybody brings to gaffes. One gift is worth a lot of money and one gift is worth very little money and then you build a big bonfire in the middle of the room and everyone has to pick one of the gifts. Yes and the other one Aranda gets thrown into the bonfire. Only diversity brought the president's nose. Oh that's good. What about something with an element of danger? Ooh Ooh what about a deadly creature for example. Like that what about just a fight to the death where say you have thirty people and you only have twenty nine gifts. That could be refund. You could go with a classic that are not used to try to employ lladro tickets. Because you don't know how good of a gift it is or how bad it's just a scratch it's your luck of the draw shredding your gift just and it sounded like you were trying to start a chant at a sporting event tickets. I like justice idea. I think just load these. Things up. Chockablock asks and I know a guy is it Mark Antony we can get you five asks by the afternoon you gotTa Guy You gotta ask Guy Guy Come on. He prefers. He's more of an ask a man. Okay here's something from sad. We've in San Diego every year. My parents it's ask my siblings and I make Christmas lists my problem is. I'm a very big anime fan and all I all I really want for. Christmas is anime merchandise. However one year put an anime figurine on my list? My mom just glanced at it and said you don't need that and then didn't buy it mom ever since then. I keep putting figurines on my list in hopes of them getting it for me but to no avail. Help me brothers. How do you convince my parents? That a tasteful figurine of Victor Nikiforoff from my favorite anime. Yori on ice is more important than socks or an ugly Christmas sweater. The title of that show is stylized with an exclamation point in there. And Jesse I have to thank you for the really voicing that I'm a professional griffin. I think that what you do in your hand over the list. It's only got one thing on it. And that's the figuring Victor Nikiforoff and then when they're like no you just stand your ground and you don't take the lissack if they try to get you anything else. You build a bonfire looking. That's a terrible idea. Travis I don't know how he's supposed to play pretend with just one of the figures He can't make a reenacting. The great fights or ice skating dances. Or here's the thing. My email address just an asthma. Bam Bam dot com email makes and I will buy you whatever and we figure you want on your family anymore. Rely on me just Jessop your family. Now I'm here now and I'm going to buy you an anime figure this year. Congratulations Justin Justin. Emma Bam Bam dot com. Email me I will buy and this goes for anybody who sit in this question this figure of your. Hey what what happened. Justin always broke now. Yeah brought bought. Ten thousand year is not just as one person if someone else says exact same problem and sit in this exact same in question letter for letter. I will also by the enemy figuring. I don't WanNa leave anybody out Justin. I had the same problem but it was with the original Yuri before they put it on ice doc area on the rocks. I tell you I think you can do a limited less but put your Yuri on ice figure on it and then the only other thing on the list is a big bag of drugs they can just say two pounds of any drug of your choice mother and then it's up to them about the path you're gonNA walk. Get Get to think one enemy figuring the second is GRANDPA poison well Justin Griffin Travis. I sure appreciate you taking the time to answer. All these questions on the Bulls Eye holiday special. Have you guys got big holiday plans this year for my brother my brother in me. This is actually a this is kind of capstone for me. I mean I think that maybe just had an eye in griffin and I might see each other this year extent exchange presence percents Think a few of our closest friends are GonNa come to our candle night show in Huntington But I think that's about it. I think that's about all we have plans we're GONNA. We're doing our annual charity fundraiser. MME ANGELS DOT COM IF YOU WANNA help buy gifts and items for people in our area less fortunate folks in our area Who would appreciate that too so you can find that? NBA NBA am angels Dot Com. That's right well thanks guys. I thank you the piano music. You're hearing right now is by our friend. Brett Wind Balk Doc. By the way he is a professional stand up comedian. One of the funniest. There is a genuine brilliant genius of standup comedy. He also for many years was a professional piano player. In fact I think he was one of those piano player. Who plays the giant Grand Piano in the Nordstrom the department store anyway? He has a collection of Christmas songs that he recorded on his piano at home. It's called Christmas piano and it's available to listen to pretty much anywhere you go streaming wise. So here's comedian. Brent winebox tickling the ivories distinctly not funny More from the Bulls eye holiday special after the break. Stay with us. It's Bullseye for maximum fun dot Org. NPR Support for this podcast and the following message come from. Behind the Irishman the official Companion Union podcast for net flicks is new film. The Irishman Co Star and Comedian Sebastian. MANISCALCO pulls back the curtain on how the film was made with director. Martin Scorsese Z.. And co-stars Robert Deniro Outta Chino. 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Math is a brilliant singer singer songwriter and producer. Who lives here in Los Angeles? She's been recording soul records for over a decade and she's collaborated with folks like Amasi Washington and thunder capped. Ah She's also an incredibly talented backup singer. Name a great she sung with them. Sheila e Chaka Khan Usher Whitney Houston. When we talked with her last year? She she just dropped a fun seasonal. EP It's called Christmas in Cyberspace Take that cyberspace with an S.. By the way like Cy Cy Smith when we asked her about the albumin eliminate any of the songs on it had a good story. We talk with her about on the show. She talked about my favorite things and boy she did not let us down so we won't waste any more time before we get into it. Take it away side. The first time I heard my favorite things was in the movie the sound of music of course raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens bright copper. Kettles and warm Woolen Mittens Round pick up packages tied up with strings. Fees fewer. My favorite. The I think the first time I saw the sound of music I was about six or seven years old. I was in my mother's bedroom watching it on TV in our apartment and Hillcrest Heights Maryland. Cream colored ponies and Crisp Apple Strudel doorbells and sleigh bells and Schnitzel with noodles. Wild geese that fly on their wings vs few of my favorite thing. You know that melody caught my ear because it was such a distinct melody As a child that melody just sounded like a dance to me. It just sounded like look. It just sounded like a dad's if a dance could sing. That's what it would sound bites win the bees teams when I leaving simply remember life paver. uh-huh even on paper when you look at it it looks like dance you know And the things that she was singing about were quite abstract to me. You know cream colored ponies and like I. I didn't know anything that she was talking about. I didn't know what a Schnitzel it was but at melody made me WanNa know you know so. The next time that I heard my favorite things in it really sort of changed my life was when about About eight or nine. I had an aunt my aunt bobby in Teaneck New Jersey. She had a little radio in the kitchen and the Coltrane rain version came on the radio and I didn't recognize it as my favorite things but she began singing it on top of the Coltrane version. And that's sort of resonated with me. That's when I went. Wait that song from the movie. I hadn't seen the movie repeatedly so I didn't walk around singing the soundtrack of you know the sound of music though when she sang it it just reminded me of that song and all of a sudden. I don't know like it made sense sense to me. You know what I mean like all of a sudden all of those sort of abstract concepts made sense like how I can. Just think of something that I really lake. Think and that's frightening will go away. MM-HMM I wasn't listening to jazz at all when I was a kid. And that was the thing when she started singing. This go on top of this. It made all of a sudden jazz accessible to me. I think at that point jazz was just sort of you know music that that older people listened to. It wasn't something that I would go and put on the Retro Plan but when she started singing it I was like whole jazz. Is something that you can sing along to jazz something that you know. You can sort of interpret songs that you already know. Jazz can be a template that that was sort of a new understanding for me like it was all so discovery everything about that song. Made me curious. The melody made me curious when I started listening to really what those wordsworth that made me want to sort of embrace my own writing a little more and so often I would replace those lyrics with my own long before I did this. You know my current project. I would always just sort of make up my own lyrics in that same pattern because I thought it would be cool. Uh to sing something that really resonated with me things that really were my favorite things jumping on some thin swinging on on playgrounds. Hanging was probably really silly like there was always something like that. I really really liked to do In the job sudden roses and whiskers so yeah when I decided to do a Christmas project I knew I wanted to record my favorite things. That's been on my mind. Mind for twenty years these few to finally sit down the record this song. It was the easiest thing to me because I felt like I've been thinking about this for so long so it didn't take long to sort of even rewriting the lyrics that was like I did it in the car on the way to the city centre size glasses. What J. from run me smile with that? He didn't have to think too hard. Because I think those items I had been sort of running around my head on and off for the last two years you whenever I sing this melody just immediately and transport it back to my childhood just because the Melody Rogers and Hammerstein they we just created something so beautiful with this lilting melodies. It just looks like a lake. I don't know what Lilt in nature you know it just battle it. Look it. Sounds like a stick figure just sort of becoming curvy all of a sudden you know what I mean it. It just sounds like air all of a sudden becoming a form you know. It sounds like magic and I am so when you sit at the piano and sing. It's just liberating is just a lot of fun. I can't describe it. Any other way. Take Heed seismic on the song that changed her life. My favorite things size new Christmas record is called Christmas in cyberspace. You can stream it now. New York City. You can and see her live. She's performing with trumpeter. 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Tips for the Remote Workplace

Women Worldwide

10:52 min | 1 year ago

Tips for the Remote Workplace

"You're listening to episode two hundred sixty nine of women worldwide. If you're working remotely what's your video coal setup in? How are you focusing in your meetings and being human on your calls for this show? I'm flying solo with tips for the remote workplace so stay tuned to learn more. Hi I'm Deirdre Breckenridge. I spent an entire career helping women to share stories. Nurture relationships grow their brands but most of all to find their voices so they can make a difference. Do you feel stuck. Do you want to power up your own voice. Women worldwide feature stories of passionate women who have navigated busy career challenges and some of the toughest changes these professionals offer deep insights and advice to inspire you and to help you uncover. What's holding you back? We worldwide ignite your passion so you can excel in life. Welcome to another episode of women worldwide. Thank you for tuning in wherever you are in this world. We appreciate you. We realize you're navigating some challenging uncertain times. Learn to work from home. We're working remotely and as you do your also sharing with us. How you're feeling what's going on in your world and we're able to share the advice and the gas that help you now. Today's topic is the remote work environment. What's your setup like? How are you able to focus and pay attention when you're in your home and and also how can we be more human normally? I would introduce a special guest at this point however I'm flying solo today so let's dive right in because I want to be able to share some tips with you whether you've been doing zoom or skype or Google hangout for years and you just want to make your communication your video calls better or you're new to this and this is a first experience or you know you're on the road to really embracing and using video conferencing all right. Let's talk about the setup finding the perfect for you what I like to do as I have a laptop stand on my desk. It raises my laptop up about six inches. So I'm looking straight on. You're not looking at my nostrils. I also use a professional microphone. Yes I am using a Yeti Mike but you can use a good pair of ear buds or a headset for your meetings. When it comes to the background lots of branding to show who you are and what you do. What's your passion? What's your purpose if you're in a meeting with your team he might. WanNa show something. That's representative of your personality. I'm seeing professionals. Put up the books on the bookcases with the books that they read the pictures framed of their families. You also have a choice if you don't like your background setting. Let's say you're setting up in. You don't have your own office and you're setting up in a room in your house. You might want to select a background when you're in zoom which is really great because you can select background it just pick one that's represented of you and who you are. I was in a meeting. Recently and one of the participants have background of monkeys and one of the monkees was sitting on his head. And of course. That's an icebreaker that made everybody laugh so you can choose your background and I just want to mention one thing on lighting so you want people to see you but not to have light being be distracting if the light is coming from behind you. It's going to wash you out if you put the lighting in front of you kind of like I do here with my little ring. Light on a stand and this is a selfie relied. I'm just going to turn it off so you can take a look at it but this is a Selfie Ray light and it can clip onto your phone when you take a photo or it can clip onto your your laptop so that when you're doing a meeting it illuminates your face. It's in front of you. The light should always come from in front of you and higher or above you and I say that because sometimes you do clip it on your laptop. You'll see the lights. If you wear glasses like I do. You'll see the reflection in your glasses so this is just a great little investment to set the the ambiance of the room to make sure that people can actually see so. I WANNA clip my white back up there like so and turn it back on once again. All right let's go to the second area which is making sure that you're able to focus. Focus during a meeting is really important and when you're focused it also means you're listening and all the participants appreciate that you're listening. Everyone gets their time to speak and went after you speak. You want everyone else to be heard as well. So of course going into meaning. Clear your mind of chatter. Anything that's going on especially if you're remote offices from home. There's lots of things going on in your house before you get on call you need to compartmentalize or clear your mind of whatever it is. That's a part of the home the family so you can show up to your meeting present. Mindful and attentive. Now listening in a meeting also means by language. It means that you are looking at everyone in the meeting. You are listening with your body because you're smiling. Your posture shows that you're listening your head movements whether you're nodding yes or no people can definitely tell by whatever facial expressions you have when you start looking around like this or you're looking down for a really long time. People notice that and it sends a signal to them that you may not be listening now. Listening also shows in whatever is going on during the meeting on sometimes happen. Recently we re not meeting. Someone was sharing their desktop to show an image and then the team started to talk and the person forgot that they were sharing their desktop and they navigated over to facebook. Will EVERYBODY IN. The meeting then knows you're on facebook and not really paying attention another interesting mishap. Call the mishaps that happened when you're not focusing and listening another mishap was during the meeting. Somebody was becoming distracted by their own environment and they decided to stand up. They were half dressed so we saw the pajama bottoms. From the from the top. When you're sitting in the meeting you look great the moment you stand up. Everybody knows that you're in your pajamas. Now it did make everyone laugh but at the same time if you want to prevent some of the mishaps from happening is to make sure that you stay focused and that you're actively listening and by doing that you're being able to ask questions related to what somebody's speaking about and showing that you are really really tuned in now. The last bucket is the be human bucket in your meetings. I mentioned some of the mishaps. Sometimes those mishaps can actually work to your advantage. That makes you human so when something happens whether it is. You're wearing your Pajama bottoms. Or you forget you're on camera and these stand up and you start doing. Your Yoga stretches. Your cat walks across your desktop. Even if your your child your toddler comes in the room and does something really cute behind you. This is human and it could happen to each and every one of the members of your meeting right. It could tap into anybody so it almost. It's an opportunity to laugh about it to bond over it. If something happens to you you can bet somebody else will share a similar story. This is all human. This is about your personality were people. We're not robots and we can't have everything perfect in the virtual zoo or skype or Google hangout environment. So I say go with it when something happens whether it's to you or somebody else be open. Have an open mind set. You're setting a tone for others to feel comfortable into also show that you can be a little bit more vulnerable and and personal with them. Then they can do the same thing and you know what when this happens. Whether it's your team members it's client you're speaking with or you're in a community and you're doing some kind of a video podcast. This builds trust people trust what they can relate to okay so those are the three areas and my tips. I that they are helpful in this episode of women worldwide. Thank you again so much for joining me and for myself and my team. We hope that you're staying healthy and please keep sharing. What's going on in your world because you can bet that either all show up and share some tips and advice or we'll have guests with stories and insights all to help you so until our next episode friends stay safe. Stay focused energized and feeling empowered thank you.

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Closure Optional Ep. 48  Ego States and Games

Closure Optional

59:44 min | 2 years ago

Closure Optional Ep. 48 Ego States and Games

"We've all got that voice in our head. That tells us we can't do stuff. But some people are just better at not listening to 'em by sitting down with us people asking them questions, and then courting blasting it out on the internet. Perhaps maybe I can help other people like me get out of our own. Welcome back to closure. Optional I don't have guessed for you this week because I'm going to be continuing on the discussion about human motivation and behavior as viewed through the lens of one psychological theory, which is called transactional analysis. I've done two other episodes on this concept previously that build up to this one. So if you haven't heard them yet, they're episode forty two an episode forty four. So if you want to go back and listen to those ones before you come back to this one it may make a little bit more sense. I do try to recap the theory pretty quickly at the start though. So if you know, hopefully, it makes sense to you. And if it doesn't go back and listen to those other ones and then come back. Before I get into the podcast. I just wanted to quickly say thank you to everybody who participated in my very silly fucking social media nonsense. It was we've just past the one year birthday for this podcast. So I did a little exciting challenge to for people to share my videos and stuff. So that more people can see the podcast, and hopefully more people can hear the podcast and for my gratitude for you guys. Helping me advertise myself I did a giveaway, and I announced the oh who's this somebody with a fucking motorcycle? Wait there. I'm going to wait until it goes away. And then I'm gonna come back to you. That person. I don't know. I don't maybe it isn't a motorcycle. I think it was like old car that sounded loud that person was came into my driveway before and was just sitting there like revving the engine. Like primate. Mating ritual is something they were just like waiting for someone to come out and side. Be like, ooh, that's I don't know probably something to do with what they needed to do to preserve the engine fucking. Who knows? I don't know. Anything about cars either way sorry for the interruption. He's gone now or she's gone now that was a racist. That was sexist of me, wasn't it. I just assumed that it was a man sitting in the car rubbing his engine trying to get a lady to come out and talk to them, but could have been a lady looking for a man or a gender non binary looking for another gender, non binary fucking tangent. Anyway, what the fuck was I even talking about. I don't remember. Oh, yeah. Given away stuff. I love obviously making this podcast. But it does mean more to me that people actually get something out of it and are listening to it. It's not just a matter of me sort of psychically masturbating in my shed, which I do this probably anyway. But it does feel a lot better when I know that people are actually listening and engaging an interest in it. So I appreciate that guys. And if I still am got a special or an offer on right now, if you decide that you want to be a patron of the podcast until the end of March, I'll be giving a free drawing to anyone that signs up to be a patron. And if you don't know what I'm talking about patriot is like a it's kind like a crowd funding website, but it's just ongoing similar to Kickstarter. Go fund me. And what it is is that you can sign up to be a patron of the podcast, you can sign up to any level. Whatever you want. You can just give a little donation at the time or you can sign up. For like, a monthly five bucks a month or whatever to support the podcast. And what it does is essentially helps me produce the podcast without having to get external advertisers or some shit that you guys don't care about the people who actually receiving the benefit of the content get to support the content that I make so. If you want to do that that just patriots dot com slash Lorna, Bremner and all the links to that are on my website. If you can't afford that or that's not your style. No dramas just sharing the podcast telling you friends about liking it on I tunes, whatever's scrubbing all of that shit helps me so thanks heaps for that. Now enough of that. Let's talk about motivation. I do have a little bit of duty of care now too. Well, see. Okay. A friend of mine pointed this out to me and. He's one hundred percent, right. I in may proselytizing in my shed about books. I've read ideas that are rolling around in my head. It's probably important that I give you both sides of the coin. So that you can make up your decision, and I didn't do that for the first two sets of TI bearing in mind. When I make these podcasts, I'm not saying, hey, this is the way the world is I'm just taking an idea that's probably otherwise inaccessible to you or something that you had not maybe heard of or considered and I'm trying to break it down for you in a funny. Interesting and useful way to help you address your own self reflection and your own motivation in your own goals. So when I do these podcasts, I'm not saying that this is the end all be all salvation for you. It's just like an idea to consider. But I am aware that just by giving one side of the coin doesn't really paint the whole picture. So. I haven't pointed out any of the criticisms as yet of transactional analysis in. So I'm going to do that a little bit now. This theory was developed in the fifties. And this book that I'm reading are the book that I'm talking about in. This whole podcast is called games. People play. It was written and published in sixty four. So this is has come a long way since. And it was developed by guy who had three failed. Marriages. This is a. Socials? He's of psychiatrist that specialized in human relationships and behavior and he had three failed. So he probably he wasn't a perfect guy. He also had four massive heart attacks and one of them killed him at the end. So. But anyways, the criticisms of the transactional analysis theory. I haven't seen much about the criticisms of the theory. I've seen more criticisms about the therapy and the models of therapy that came out of it. So one of them is that it hasn't really been rigorously tested, scientifically because a lot of the basis of transactional analysis therapy is in the assumption that a person is displaying a certain predictable pattern of behavior, which means that. The therapist is only good at TA if they can name and label the behavior that the person's doing and by doing that, you're you're making a sumptious about why the person's doing what they're doing when they're doing it, and you have a real risk of not paying attention to the nuance of their individual behavior. If that makes sense like, so if you're trying to constantly label, something, you tend to pigeonhole people into certain categories, and I d is and and Eric burns, the the person who developed this his idea was that he wanted to create a kind of more structured framework for counseling and for therapeutic practices because there didn't seem to be much framework at the time because he had a background in a little bit background in neuroscience. And in obviously medicine being psychiatrist he went through medical school. So he wanted to come up with something that was a bit more kind of tangible framework foundation for psychoanalysis. So in doing that, sometimes when you are adhering to a framework, you can tend to take phenomenon from the outside world, and bend it to fit your framework rather than try and discover what the phenomenon is in and of itself. So that's pretty important to know. And then. It has also my friend pointed this out to me, but it had been used to justify some pretty popular, but totally unscientific and wacky treatment methods the one that he found was that therapists were using this model to regress patients back to their childhood. And then like spanking them. To try and get rid of like toxic behavior patterns that they had were displaying as an adult. So. Who knows that's pretty fucking wacky. But in saying that just because some people took a theory, and then developed a wacky protocol doesn't mean that the theory itself is wrong, in my opinion. The theory of transactional analysis, pretty profound and pretty acceptable to everyday modern person. And it's a great way of. Giving yourself a bit of framework to reflect on your own behavior. But if that's true then. Yeah. Some of the methods of TI therapy could be kind of. In saying that to like almost all theories, psychological spiritual fucking, atomic theory. We all know that that one went pretty horribly wrong. Doesn't mean atomic theories bad because we made an atomic bomb and dropped it on some people like that was fucked, but atomic theory itself isn't necessarily wrong because of that one of them like one of the classic examples like Buddhism, most people think that Buddhism's pretty peaceful religion. And not a lot goes wrong with it. But it's kinda colored pass to. I mean, there's this guy chug young Trump Rinpoche was the spiritual teacher in the seventies. Who was also like I've really bad outcome. Hollick in womanizer, and he spent most of his time. Introducing women to the bliss of God through the fucking hole in the tip of his is. But just because he's a fucking maniac. It doesn't mean that all of the ideas and Buddhism are wrong. You know, I don't know. I think that people when they get into positions. It you come up with an idea and you start to like get a following where people are interested in what you have to say. I don't know people get tainted by power, or they the ideas get mangled and fucked up when you're inside a little echo chamber of your own believe he believes Schick and get wacky for sure. And so I'm grateful for my friend pointing out to me that I've done to podcast now breaking this idea down and have not yet even considered like. How they actual psychological worldviews. This. I get really excited about it. I and idea at night. I do it definitely realized that I have a duty of care to give you all of the. All sides of the coin another criticism to at an last one that I'm gonna talk about is that TA comes from the point of view that everything you do comes from your experiences as a child, and it has very little to do with your biology, if at all so anything, including the two cases that Wikipedia talks about is their ideas on homosexuality and autism that they can be unprogressive. And obviously knowing what we know now about the brain is that structural changes in the brain. We're going to have a significant impact on your behavior and those structural changes can because either by genetics or experiences and to deny either aspect of that is just obviously silly. So please just take from this. Whatever you will. And if you obviously are in need of some help with your mental health, please go see a professional don't just rely on the ramblings of someone who reads books, and then talks herself about them for hours and shed on the internet. I I know that you're not doing that. I'm not I'm certain that. No one's. They're just sitting there like taking fucking notes for me, and solving their problems and becoming therapist like I know that you guys know this. But it's worth saying, I guess. So anyways, transactional analysis is this method. It's a theory and method of studying interactions between people in order to better understand our behavior, and it was developed by the psychiatrist Eric Berne in the fifties everything that I'm talking about. It comes out of this book called games people play that he wrote in the sixties. So transactional analysis basically says that. Every interaction between people is called a transaction. Because during that interaction, we exchange type of sort of social currency that he calls a stroke as like petting a cat. The purpose of the transaction is to give and receive these strokes in order to get recognition that you exist foundation for this idea actually comes from one of his colleagues he was pretty interested in neuro science, and they were discovering at the time that there is a pretty significant impact on the development of the brain. If a person doesn't receive the proper nurturing that they need as an invent they did some animal experiments. About this pretty fucking horrific. Just separating they did it with these monkeys are called recess. Rhesus macaque monkeys and they gave them all different kind of levels of either nurturing or no nurturing as infants separated them from their mothers. And then had different kind of surrogate. Mothers or like one was a wire frame that the the monkey had to cuddle up to. And it was scared and the other one was like a Terry cloth covered frame. As fucking girls to think about, but so when the Monkees were scared, they'd have different behavioral patterns compared to the monkeys that were raised normally and a lot of the monkeys that were raised in isolation. When they've got put back in groups with other people, they were our other monkeys. They were so distressed that they didn't eat and starve themselves to death. So it's pretty it was pretty fucking crazy. They I talked about this a little bit too in the drug addiction podcast where they did some experiments with rats mice where they separated them from their mother after birth and the normal process for a rat is to like lick and groom the babies for quite a long time after they're born. And so they wanted to know what would happen if the baby didn't get liquor groomed after it was born, and they found out that the those mice had significant behavioral issues and socialization issues as they got older, and then they ended up wanting to under. What was happening inside the brain. And they cut their brains open and found out that there was some pretty severe developmental issues. So it's pretty interesting concept that whatever can go on in your early development will actually have physical impact on the way, your brain develops. And that concept is called neuro plasticity we've talked about it a little bit before. But it's the idea that your brain is kind of like constantly changing and rewiring itself as it develops. So in psychology, they call this concept stimulus hunger, which is in the same way that baby would get hungry for food a baby if it isn't being touched at all becomes hungry for physical affection and recognition and then as we get older and the baby's less dependent on its mother, the opportunities for physical affection become less, and so then the baby learns to figure out how to get stimulation and other non-physical ways in more complex ways. So now the baby learns to be satisfied with getting a verbal good job rather than a physical Pat on the back. And when we don't get that this is what becomes what they call recognition hunger or stroke hunger. And so in the same way that we need to be physically stroked in order to be normally developed human being we also need to be recognized by the people around us because we have these more complex ways of getting this recognition when it doesn't come. To us. We start to seek it out more we become hungry for it. And then we look for other ways of getting it. So a stroke is simply put a unit of recognition that someone exists, and it can be physical or not and it also can be positive or negative. The simplest type of positive stroke would be like nodding at a stranger as you pass them on the street, and they not at you back. And then the negative version of the same thing would be that you not at your neighbor. And then they frown at you. And then look away this is still a transaction because you've both exchange strokes. But it's just not the one you were looking for one of you gave a positive stroke in the other one gave you a negative stroke back because they frowned. They did acknowledge that you exist, which is the point of the transaction. But they just did it in a shitty way. In. Interestingly like if they didn't acknowledged at all, even if they didn't frown, and they did nothing stared right through that would be actually more psychologically, damaging and leave you more hungry for more recognition going forward. And the reason for that is obviously because the point of the transaction is to get recognized. And so when you don't get recognized at all, you're not satisfied in you start getting bit hungry, but the truth is we're not really satisfied with like a wave and unawed. Are we? What happens next what happens after that? What do we do with ourselves when we're fucking waiting in line at the post office, and you've not at all the people that have looked at you. And we've already established that everyone exists. And in fact, you probably upset that they exist because they're in the way of you. Getting your parcel delivered doesn't even go to a post office anymore. Probably. But anyways. This period of time. Now is what we call time structuring. And this is how we as a collective pass the time together. So example of time structuring is like your job when you go to work that is an example, it's a pretty complex sample of time structuring, it's predictable. It's routine. There are a bunch of social transactions that go on inside it and those transaction serve the dual purpose of stroking you and your colleagues, but it also contributes to the overall activity of the company what you're doing. Your work Christmas party. Also is a time structuring activity, but. The funny. Switch happens. Here is like now, you're used to interacting with all those people on this like activity based level where you have something else to do your task oriented, you're working together towards another goal. And then all of a sudden, you go to a work party and all the people that you know, really, well that you see every day are suddenly like stiff strangers just staring at the walls trying to think of something. Say drinking excessively until of course, like you get drunk enough to accidentally suck somebody off in the bathroom. And regret it for days later. This the staring at the walls before you went to the bathroom to blow. John from fucking marketing is what ta calls structure hunger, which is essentially boredom like what the fuck do eighty with ourselves. Now. This is a funny balanced me. I feel like the entire experience of living is is just us drifting along the invisible poll of time constantly bouncing between the things that we know and the things that we don't and like being mad about either. It's. There's a future that we don't understand the past that we think we do understand the new the old we like, we'll constantly seek a new experience to feel alive. And then once we've got that experience. Like, yeah, fuck that felt good. I'm going to do that again. And then fuck I want to do that again because I want to get that feeling quicker. And I wanna learn how to do it better and faster, and then eventually by doing it all the time that makes the feeling familiar and predictable which makes it boring, and then that boredom kicks us into like seeking gratification in another direction. So the human condition and auto maybe possibly life in general is like just this balancing act of structuring our time and the most satisfying way possible. So that we can stave off the existential hunger. Which I guess essentially, if you're honest about it, it's probably just what death is this feeling of ultimate boredom. Nothingness is death. Dark isn't it? But as far as as concerned. If you get too wrapped up in any of that shit, and you get hungry in any one of those environments, whether it's through a needing recognition from others or needing physical affection from others or being so bored that you become apathetic and constantly muse on the concept of death. It's gonna lead to problems within the others. And this is where you end up with like, logical issues and associate behavior, etc. So. The concept of stimulus hunger. Is that were desperate for stimulation? We wanna be felt touched and loved in. Usually what happens when we're hungry. We become creepy overly affectionate or kind of needy and that naturally pushes other people away. So then the problem compounds, and it gets worse and worse. Recognition hunger is the second one in that we if we become desperate for recognition. We'll start trying to impress people like taking some Snapchat self as on the internet and quoting a Buddhist philosopher that raped a bunch of women unknowingly. No, he knowingly raped the women, but we're unknowingly quoting his ideas and being like see everything's beautiful. Or making up lies about what you've done in the past or whatever just living in the past. So all the shit is naturally unsatisfying. You're looking for attention. And you know, you're looking for attention. You know that it's a ploy to get more attention. So it doesn't feel good once a likes the like so come in on you, look so beautiful that filter on. And you're like, yeah. I know that's 'cause it's not my face. And so then the likes come in. But it makes you feel like shit. And so you try more and do it again. And do it again becomes this addictive cycle in never end up getting closer to yourself because you're denying yourself or anyone else because nobody can actually see you. It's a protection mechanism, and then lastly, you've got structure hunger, which is having to deal with unstructured time like staring at the walls with our work colleagues. Fucking standing in line at the post office having meaninglessness not knowing what the fuck to do with yourself. Like, this kind of feeling drives us to do on like shameful. Oil or socially destructive things. We will literally almost do anything in order to avoid the horror of general boredom in meaninglessness. And when those things become socially destructive isolating shameful. We become hungry for stimulation in recognition in the fucking whole cycle repeats itself. So each one lens to the others. So today I wanted to talk about the way that we tend to develop these types of hunger inside the transactions and some more complicated versions of transactions. How that can impact our motivations and behaviors in our interactions with others. And then at the very end if I can I'm not a psychologist, obviously, but some of the ideas within ta and the general world at large how to stop doing that to help us. Keep us a little bit more, psychologically nourished. And like I said, I'm not a psychologist. I'm just a person who reads books and needs to structure her time in such a way to get like heaps of recognition from you guys in order to silence. The acre of like, a pretty lonely confusing. I hunted boiled eggs for Easter in my house for many years boiled eggs, what kind of kid is motivated after run around the house finding boil the. I wonder I'm lunatic. Anyway, so I guess we we basically kind of stab that. According to this theory, the foundational motivation, but behind all social interaction is that we want to get recognition, and it's not recognition that we're special. It's just recognition that we exist. That's a pretty important distinction to make and I've talked about this before in previous podcasts. It's recognition that we're special is a form of recognition hunger just recognizing that we exist as natural part of the human condition. So Cording to psychologists we tend to structure our time in three ways, and they call this programming. It's not like your mind control programming that conspiracy theorists always talking about. This is a general structure of humans being in the word that's world. That's sort of universal to our species, the content of the programming obviously changes across cultures, but the general structure and framework for this type of programming exists everywhere, and they are material programming which is what happens task oriented or activity based stuff that happens out in the world, your relationship to the world around you. So that would be like you, and a friend baking cake together that you are mutually working towards a task that you're trying to accomplish and their social interactions that happen inside that task your job is also like another example of a more complex version of that. Then you have your social programming, which is like your. Cultures accepted norms in manners. And they call these rituals and pastimes, and they're like small talk is the shit that you are told to do by your parents in order to be like a normal functioning human in a social setting and then underneath that is what they call individual programming. And this is the main focus of the topic of the podcast today. Which is your nuanced individual personality components that make you who you are this kind of programming appears after you've already gotten through the socially program, small talk. And then you actually have to start being someone yourself. You know, like, you're not necessarily an anybody when you're nodding at someone in the post office line. But as soon as you're stuck there for two hours, and you have to start talking to each other. That's when your individual programming starts to come out. And this is where according to ta we start to play games and an example used I was talking to my friend about this on his podcast few days ago. And the example that I used in that one is the very typical girlfriend boyfriend scenario where like you meet some money night. I don't play games in the way that we think of games is like, oh, it's this manipulative weird behavior that you're trying to do to get in an another objective. And the funny thing is that is exactly what a game is. But we all do them constantly. We all play games constantly that just saying I don't play games is a form of a game that you're playing you're trying to call them out on you're trying to challenge them to prove how much they're not playing games with how much you're not playing. It's game in itself. They're saying that like the majority of all social experience is taken up in games, and they're not all negative. They are a means of us helping us helping each other mutually structure our time. So some games can be really fun to play and some games can be really destructive, but we're going to get into that more detail suit. By his definition games are predictable pattern of transactions between people that are both seeking gratification in some way from the game and games are played mostly unconsciously. The they're played to a set of rules that are also accepted on consciously. But both of you kind of know the rules of the game underneath the surface, and the gratification that either one of you is getting out of this game as also mostly unconscious. The reason for that is because our role in the game is actually run by our individual programming not by our conscious awareness, and usually the gratification that we're seeking within that game is just a confirmation of the programming. So if that programming is self destructive, your gratification in the game will also be self destructive. It's like our egos way of saying like this is who you are. And your always going to be that way. And this is not to say that we can't change. In fact, the entire idea of transactional. Analysis and the more modern. Cognitive behavioral therapy or CBT and also mindfulness practice are all based in the idea that you can change this program. You can change your social at instincts. You'll habits not instinct, I suppose social habits that have developed out of this kind of individual programming. So within our personality inside this programming. Transactional analysis claims that we have got three predictable patterns of being in the world. And they call these ego states. They are your child your parent and your adult each one of these ego states are completely different for everyone. But they are modelled on our experience of of others ourselves. It's children. So the child ego state is how you reacted in situations. When you were a kid, the parent ego state is how you observed your parents or your thority figures reacting in certain states, and the adult ego state is the objective third party rational here and now present observer. So the aim of transactional analysis is to try and get the yourself into the adult state as much as possible, which is like again, like the modern equivalent of mindfulness where you become kind of the objective third party, observing your behavior and patterns, and when behavioral patterns starts to emerge kind of stop and don't let the programming takeover and you deal with the situation rationally and objectively since this is not to say, the egos states themselves are actually bad though. They all have their place in keeping us, happy and social and productive. But it's when they're antisocial or self destructive that we need to address them. So the like, for example, there's a good side and bad side to both of these the child state child. Ego state is where a lot of creativity comes from fun flirtation playfulness that all comes from that state. But then so does your victimhood blaming others lack of responsibility for your life, hopelessness or? Sochi nece that all comes from the child. Then you have your parent which can be nurturing caring loving organized. And then on the other side of it. It can be really critical and overbearing judgmental. So they're definitely not wrong. It's just wrong. When they're applied in situations that they don't no longer serve a purpose. So if you think about it medically like when you cut yourself, a doctor will give you stitches, and then once the wound is healed you go back to the doctor or you cut them out. You don't need the stitches anymore. So you get rid of them. But the problematic personality trait like soaking. When you don't get your way is similar to like having a set of stitches that you just leave their even after the ones healed it still like they're still there hanging out of your skin. It did solve problem once, but it's not going to solve your problem in the future. So with a conglomeration of these certain personality traits in your experiences. What ends up happening is you develop what they call certain life positions. These are ways of viewing yourself and others in the world, they outlined four specific life positions that a person could be acting from. They are I'm okay. And you're okay. This life position is like it's all good. I'm a whole person. You're a whole person you're doing your thing. I'm doing mine, and we're going to be okay. This is probably the most psychologically healthy position. You can be in. And the aim of of everybody going through therapy is to get to this kind of position. I'm all right. I'm doing okay. And you're doing okay, we're fine. And when you think about this. This is probably that concept that the phrase that I always hate. But it makes sense is this idea. Like, you got to love yourself before you love anyone else and the essential ideas that you need to be okay. In your own position. The way you are. So that assume that everybody else is okay. And the position the way that they are so that you can kinda mutually get on with your own life without having to project your own subconscious demons onto the other. Second life position is I'm okay. But you're not okay. And that's your kinda like typical narcissistic style characters where it's like no matter what anyone else does their shit. They're stupid. They're idiots. But I'm right. And I got my shit together. Really judgmental critical. This is really overbearing parents state type of person. Then you've got the opposite of that the inverse, which is I'm not, okay. But you are. Okay. And this is that typical victim weak helpless type of person that really struggles because everybody else appears to be doing better than they are. And they can't do anything right because they're a piece of shit. And then the last life position is the worst of all of them. And that is I'm not, okay. And you're not okay. And this is where you get sociopaths really anti-social destructive behaviors because life is meaningless people are meaningless. I'm a. Piece of shit and everyone else's a piece of shit the world needs to burn. So this is a really psychologically damaging state to be in and a really hopeless state of existence. So these positions become developed because of our experiences in life. But also their modeled by how how we have internally learned to accept who. We are what we think we are about ourselves. What that turns into? According to transactional analysis is this story that we tell ourselves about who we are what we're going to be when we grow up and how we're going to behave in the future. This is what they call the life script. And this is like your unconscious patterns and your beliefs about the world and the beliefs about where you sit in the world will actually drive all of your behavior going forward. And theoretically, you could almost predict how you're gonna react in any situation based on what your life position is. And how your individual programming telling you about yourself and the way that you develop this life script is as we've talked about in previous podcast, the concept of stroke filters. Which are I don't believe you. When you tell me that I'm pretty because I've never been told I'm pretty my whole life. So I'm going to discount that maybe I've been told I'm pretty my whole life. But I've been told I'm stupid. So when anyone tells me, I'm smart, I immediately discount that because I don't believe it. It's not I it doesn't fit with my Ma. Model of who? I am personality traits tend to be reinforced by others are personality traits traits, then also reinforced by our own behaviors it's give and take. It's like I expect that I'll do this and this situation, and I expected this response when I get that response back even if it's a negative response ago. Yep. Of course, I knew that was going to happen because I'm a piece of shit that kind of thing. So this thing is pretty interesting because the point of your individual programming and the life script and your attachment to these positions, even if they make you feel bad. So if you're even in the shitty life position that says, I'm not okay. And you're not okay. The reason why it's so hard to change it is because that is your entire conception of reality. So when something challenges that like, somebody does something nice for you. And you don't expect it your brain in your ego, really work hard to discount that fact because it doesn't. Match with your version of reality. If you're a reality that everyone's a piece of shit, and someone does something nice to you. You're gonna go all day only did that because they want something from me, whatever. So it makes it really hard for you to objectively view the behavior that's coming at you from other people. So you have this really really rigid set of beliefs about who you are. And it's important. It was important during the stages of your development to create these belief systems. So they're not wrong. It's just that they're wrong when they start to contribute to life in a negative way. So as tempting as it can be to blame the patriarchy of the government or a parents or simply the fact that we have to go to work. None of these things are actually to blame for the state of our current mental health the truth is that I personally am the least common denominator in all of these situations. Of course, my biology is going to have an impact on this. My genetics my family history. All of that stuff is going to have an impact on the way. I deal with the world around me. But. For the most part. I am the one who is experiencing all of the other types of programming. So I can be mad about social programming. And it's annoying that I have to fuck it hate that. I have to go to a party and do small talk 'cause it doesn't make any sense to me. But at the same time these are integral steps into. Figuring out how to be a normal socialized human being and really it. Only takes like one or two minutes of dumb small talk before. One of you starts to launch into a little bit of game playing in order to really reinforce that social programming or start to show off your Selvi self. That's in the inside there. And according to the majority of all social activity is actually in playing games in which would means that your individual programming, then is in charge of all of these situations. So of that programming makes you feel shitty or frustrated or happy or lonely are tired or horny or whatever it is. That's how you're living your life in the same way that we get mad that we have to go to work, but we spend fucking eight hours ten hours of our day at work every day. And then we get mad that we have to do like the majority of your life is spent inside this individual programming. So you might as well try and like the program and you've got. So how do we start to see and identify what our programming is obviously self reflection is the most important thing, and these are kind of structured ways of looking at your own behavior. And that is to analyze the games that you play because the games that you play are going to be very indicative of the kind of internal programming that you've got the kind of games that you're drawn to and seeing what the game what the actual play of the game is like and what the actual usually underlying aims. Are you might be able to identify some of the motivations for what you're doing? And if you can deal with that underlying motivation, you may be able to pull yourself out of the game if it's not contributing to your life in a beneficial way. So in order to explain what games are I'm just going to give you some examples of games. He names them in silly ways, very like acceptable human ways because the. This game is called if it weren't for you. And the reason it's got that title is because just by me saying that name, you can kind of get an idea in your head of like all I have a feeling I understand what this game is like he didn't wanna give them psychological names that only therapist would understand because it would put too much of a division between the patient and the therapist, and it would end up in one of those situations where the patient is always coming to the therapist for advice rather than being able to figure it out on their own by giving these games names that are socially understood and easily recognisable then people could start identify the gains and come up with their own games that they notice that they're playing these are pretty predictable patterns, the ones that they've they've outlined. But it doesn't mean that there is no nuance within the game and games are constantly changing. Our culture changes in obviously across cultures. They're going to be very different. So this game has called if it weren't for you. The players in this example, he's stereotypical example of a wife and a husband and the wife is playing the game. If it weren't for you. And she saying if it weren't for you, I would have been a famous ballet dancer and the husband's going. Oh, yes. But you are what lovely wonderful wife, and you've always been there for me. And she goes, yes, I am. But if it weren't for you, I could have been. Famous whatever. So the the key thing to note really is that both of them are playing this game. It's not just her. She's playing a game. But he's also playing into it. So that requires both of them their interaction nortre for this game to proceed if he didn't have a stake in this game. And he wasn't gonna play a she would say if it weren't for you. I would have been ballet dancer, and he would go. Go to Bali class. If you want to there's no reason for you to stay here go and then she'd be like a fuck now. Because really the truth of the reason why she's playing this game is that she wants to avoid her fear of failure. She needs somebody else to blame. Because the truth is sh if she wanted to be a ballet, dancer, she would have been a ballet dancer, but she's afraid of trying and failing or trying something new because the world's scary. So she is going to find a husband that's going to play this domineering role in her life. So that she doesn't have to face her own fears. So the root of this game is fear on both sides. She's afraid of facing failure and new challenges, and he is a frayed of being alone. He wants her to be home at the end of the night waiting for him, and he's afraid of the world. So the advantages for her is that she doesn't have to face the fear failure and the advantages for him is that he is needed. And he's. Cure. And he's always got somebody there at home for him. And if you are to extrapolate this to an overall worldview, the people that typically are playing this game tend to feel that the world is a dangerous place that they're kind of life position. This is a part of their life script that their view on the. External reality is that the world is a dangerous place in. So we participate in this game to protect ourselves from the dangers of the world. Another example of a game is called. Why don't you? Yes. But. And this game is pretty funny. He says that it's a good game to play in social environments where you don't have a lot to say to each other. Because it's a really good one that turns up a lot of time. So if you're like at the work Christmas party, and you're not quite drunk enough to make a bad decision. You could pass the time by playing this game. And essentially what it is is that some one of them one person in the group will present a problem. And then all the other people in the group will start presenting solutions to the problem. And the person who presented the problem will constantly say, yeah, but yeah. But. To all their solutions. So the players would be a group of people. The core of this game is insecurity and seeking reassurance. So the advantages of the person who proposes the game like. I just can never get my hair to grow. And then the person goes, oh, have you tried creating and yes, but it broke all my hair off. Oh, have you ever tried eating better? Yeah. Of course, I have tried. But I just don't have enough money. Oh, have you tried seeing this hair prison? Yeah. But so you just constantly discounting every solution that anyone's brought to you the reason why this is quite obviously a game is that if somebody had proposed a problem, and then somebody proposed a solution and that person went oh, yeah. That's a great idea. Thanks for that the game ends like that it's over. So the goal was to actually get some advice. But in this, particular instance, the goal is not to get advice. The goal is to reassure the person that they are. On the same par as everybody else, and they're not going to surrender. So this person is trying to prove that nobody else is capable of solving their problems and that they will never back down. Now the players in this game the people that are offering solutions they have an easy exit to if they weren't playing the game. And didn't have this existential need inside them to be needed. They wouldn't be playing the game. They the person would propose a solution are the prison would propose a problem? The person says a solution, and then the person immediately rejects the solution. And then that second person would just go. Well, it sounds like a tough problem, and then the game's over nobody's playing a game any more. And then you have to like, you know, have a couple more shots structure. Your time. But so usually the people that are trying to help in this game have a deep core need to be needed. And they're typically trying to play another game called. I'm just trying to help you. And they become a victim when somebody doesn't take their suggestion. So both of these have psychological advantages. At the existential position of this. Which is the people that tend to play this game believe that the everybody in the world wants to dominate them, and they are never going to surrender. So they have control issues typically. And is not necessarily a bad thing. Remember, keep in mind. These are also ways of just structuring your time. It's just that. If you notice that you're struggling in certain situations in your finding yourself doing these shitty. Repetitive behavior patterns that you're not happy with then you can have a look at while. You're playing the games that you're playing he he did say that it's pretty interesting that people tend to hang out with other people that like playing the same game as each other because it helps you reinforce your position in the world, your individual programming positive or negative, and when you start to change your personality traits through this kind of introspective work, you'll start to notice that you change games that you're playing, and that means that you're going to usually start changing the people that you hang around because they're not contributing to your ego. The way that they used to whatever. So it's it can be hard because you you might be leaving behind somebody that was previously fulfilling a role in your life. That is no longer necessary. Another game. The last one that I'll go through is game called. Why does this always happen to me? This is your typical victim state, hopeless, powerless state. So like an example would be. Somebody at work. He this guy just keeps fucking up, and then they eventually just fire him. And then he goes always happens to me. Nobody understands me. This is always my situation. And the root of this is he has a deep inner sense of worthlessness his advantage and playing this game is that he can always blame somebody else or something else for his own insecurity that it's never his fault. It's the world's fault, and it's also an excuse to have rage. So if he can say that the world did this to him. This always happens to me because that's just the world for you. He has an excuse to be angry and the existential positions. So the overall world view of a person that plays this game. Is that the world's out to get me because I'm a piece of shit. So if that person. Is able to improve their sense of self worth they and through obviously not playing the game. It's not why does this always happen to me? It's fuck this thing happened. And how do I make adjustments to stop it from happening? Again. The reason why we continually play this game. Like getting to the point where you get fired. All the time is because you sort of at your core. Believe that you should be fired. That you don't deserve to be in the position or whatever. So the key to these games, especially the negative ones is that there is an all teary motive on the surface. It's like two rational normal adults talking to each other. But underlying it there is a certain ego state. That's being fed by one of the positions in this game. And it's usually that they're like it's a child talking to a child and example of this in a fun way. In a nice way is like when you are. Maybe just starting to date someone go over to their house, and you show up, and they go what an I show you around. And you're like, yes, I'd love to see your house. And what your actual what's happened? That sounds like two adults talking to each other. But was actually happening is you're like, it's your two children your child states talking to each other going deal wanna come and see my bedroom, and you're gone. Yeah. I'd love to get naked. So they're not all that necessarily in the way to exit the game as I said is to notice the role at you're playing and then stop contributing to it. So. If it like the with the ballerina spouse. So yeah, go go be a ballerina if you want to view, should and then that person can go out and experience their own failure. And then come back and have a lovely moment where they go. Fuck. The reason I wasn't a ballerina. This whole time is because I've fucking scared. I went into that class, and I was an idiot and how embarrassing for me. Now, I'm home, and I feel much more comfortable being at home. And then the husband can laugh and be like damn well, good good job. At least you tried. Or maybe she becomes a ballerina falls in love with male ballerina, and she leaves her husband, and then he has to deal with the fact that. Fuck. Yeah. It's scary to be alone. But he'll find another girl that can blame him for all her. Life's problems in the future. But the beauty of this thing is if you can with bit of humor, and he really kinda stresses that that that's really important to like have a laugh at yourself. It's okay. It's okay. To acknowledge that you're playing these games and that beautiful, mama. When like you both realize that you're caught up in a game. And you can laugh at each other. And be like fuck, what are we doing here? That's like that's kind of one of the ultimate. At least in my experience. It's like the best moments of intimacy that I ever have. And I just mean even with my friends like when we are getting a bit caught up in something shitty or get caught up in my own state of being and then somebody calls me on it, and it hurts for a second. I'll get fucking defensive and then these walls, meltdown and you laugh at each other. And you go fuck I was being such a dick just it's nice. And that's what brings you closer to other people. So that's how you end up with really nice authentic human connection and real intimacy. So how do we get there though? If the goal is. All human social, interactions is to get recognition that we exist. Then I imagine it's probably helpful to consider. If there are other ways, they're independent of games and social interactions that we can get confirmation that we exist in the same way. Like when you're not starving. You have the capacity to nourish yourself with a variety of options that are going to satisfy you most. But when you're starving, you literally have to just eat whatever the fuck is in front of you just to keep yourself alive. So when we do counterintuitive for self destructive things without thinking, it's probably coming out of a place of like existentialist starve -ation. And they think that the opposite of that is what he calls autonomy. And I taught me if you've heard that term before it, basically just means freedom, but or independence complete soul independence on your own in the way that he describes it in the book is a defines it. Sorry is awareness of the immediate present moment spontaneity, which is like going with the flow. Oh, not getting caught up in a pattern and intimacy which is the ability to be vulnerable and open. So the combination of those three things makes you autonomous having immediate awareness of the immediate present being able to be spontaneous and being intimate which is vulnerable and open. So how do we get that just having an awareness of all the silly shit that we do? And why we do it can help us stop that programming in action. That's the idea. This is the idea behind all mindfulness meditation mindfulness practice cognitive behavioral therapy. The idea is take a little second. Try not to react out of habit. And try to react from the objective immediate present. Especially if we don't like the way that we react in certain situations. It is likely that we've got some unconscious belief about ourselves that's being fed by playing that character. So if you continually find yourself getting fired from jobs, it's probably worth trying to consider. Why you feel like you don't deserve these jobs. Why are you can continually sabotaging yourself? It's probably not the external situation, you could get fired, and it's not your fault because somebody else's done something or whatever. But if it's a pattern that's happening in your life than yeah. It's definitely something to consider. Trying not to get mad at ourselves. Obviously. For all the dumb shit. We do and rather trying to understand what felt bad about it at the time. So like win win some shitty happens. Like this happened to me recently. I have this really core belief that I am not worthy. Of a particular person's affected or attention. It's a model that I developed as a little kid. My parents were pretty independent people and very critical, but of everything it's not just me just everything in general. And so I have this core belief that I need to be interesting all the time in order to gain the affection of somebody around me. And if the person isn't particularly interested in me, I have to work harder to get their attention because it proves my worth as a human or something. And so I find this. When I meet various people along my path of life that I have put into this model. Like, oh, they're a person I need to. Impress. Then I find myself slipping into this track of like constantly trying to be interesting for them all the time. And if they don't seem to be particularly interested in me, I start to wear myself down in remind and I get in the state of being like fuck, you are a piece of shit. Yours yours. Oh, useless. No wonder nobody thinks you and it's ridiculous. It's totally self destructive. And luckily now like just from reading a lot about this stuff. And also having discussions with good people that care about me as it's really nice to be able to start to notice those behavior patterns, and I can have a bit of a laugh about it. Be like, oh, it's okay. You did that dumb thing? You're not an idiot. Just keep trying again try again tomorrow and try not to be that person. So. And lastly, obviously with the spontaneity thing is that if we can accept the changes inevitable because it is of course, then the more relaxed we can be when the change occurs. If we're relaxed then we can see other options around it. So like one thing would be if you're looking for a very specific outcome and something and all of your life is writing on this specific outcome. But you don't get it instead of becoming a victim to not getting the outcome or blaming other people are blaming the situation if you have a look at what that outcome. What purpose was that outcome serving for you? You can kind of see where that need comes from like oh this outcome. I needed that person to love me because I needed to validate myself, then you could you might be able to be like, oh, wait, I'm might be able to validate myself by making a cool video or being happy with the podcast, I produce or whatever. So there are other options of validating your own existence rather than requiring the approval of somebody else that may. Accents. So again, obviously, I'm not a psychologist or anything like it. And as just established in that example, I don't know how to deal with my own programming. Very well. But I have definitely been finding that the more. I read about it. The funnier my behavior gets and I m taking myself and other people less seriously. And I think that's helpful. Also, finding that it's helpful in me relating to other people in a more human level without being so critical of myself or them. So Jesus that's an hour, and I need to go. Thank you so much for listening as always. And I'd love to hear your thoughts on any of this shit. It's always interesting to me to see how these podcasts workout for you. So by all means, send me a message, whatever if you like the content of this podcast or any of the other should I do please feel free to like, my page share it around to other people you can become a patron if you want to patriot dot com or yeah. Tell your friends about the podcast. All right. Thank you so much for listening. And I will oh, I've got very exciting. Guests for you next week the goal coz laughs festival is on this week this entire week, and I'll be talking to dusty rich who's one of the comedians. That's in the show, and he's fucking hilarious. He's great. He's performing on Friday night. The twenty second. There's a bunch of acts up one of my favorites of all time is Sam Campbell. And he is performing on Thursday night at these are all at the home of the arts, Damian power is a comedian from Brisbane. That's also performing. On Thursday night that I love and who else Mel bundles there an Edmonds. There's a bunch of really great, local comics end, oh and Dan wrath. I don't know he doesn't have his own solo show. But he is going to be it. They doing like this cool thing called late night laughs or late laughs on the Friday and Saturday night of the Gulf Coast laughs festival. So if you want to hear more about that, I'll put the link on my website. It's all be up there a bunch this week, and it's really exciting. Very fun. So. I don't know that seem like an irrelevant tangent. They're not paying me to advertise. I just really like it. All right. Thanks so much for listening guys. We'll talk to you.

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Micky Dolenz on How The Monkees Went from TV Band to Real-Life Band

Here's The Thing

37:59 min | 11 months ago

Micky Dolenz on How The Monkees Went from TV Band to Real-Life Band

"Here we. Miss To. Get funniest. One Way. Beats? Alec Baldwin and you're listening to. Here's the thing. This song shaped my childhood and Dad of millions of other Americans. The voice is Mickey Dolan's. Saying. It's nineteen sixty six year Timothy leary tells America to turn on tune in drop out TV, executives. No, they need to make programming that reflects the times. Enter the monkeys. That's a groupie button. What does it say? Love is the ultimate trip on a nice time? That's a goofy button. What does it say? Say the Texas Prairie Chicken? It was saved the chicken. Not Stop the War NBC wasn't about to risk a boycott bonanza after all, but the misadventures four shaggy musicians and Mamadou managed to be subversive. Anyway. The grownups were stiffs. The sets were psychedelic. The longhaired bandmates just wanted to be loved artistically. The show used new wave. Film. Techniques have brought the audience in on the jokes two years before laughing at Monty Python. How would you in the door smart Peter? He can't. The riders snow everything improvise. Besides. The music is undeniably great soon. The fictional band morphed into a real band. They wrote their own songs played their own instruments, and at the same time, the monkees the TV show topped the Nielsen Ratings. The band topped the billboard charts. The monkees got the formula just tried, but the concept wasn't unique throughout the sixties, movie and TV, bosses were desperately trying to bottle Beatle Mania. Dolan's with musical talent and floppy hair in abundance was perhaps faded to end up in a band on TV. The question was only which one. There were at least three other shows that pilot season that I was up for as an actor, singer lower. well in the sense that they were about music and about the young generation. There was a lot going on at that time. It wasn't just the Beatles it was folk music it was. All kinds of you know youth oriented music? One pilot was a Peter Paulin Mary type of group. Call the happening. It did not sell another. WAS This beach boy of surfer group and another one was a big family, mighty wind kind of in those thirty people on stage singing I GOTTA Your new Christmas, so it was in the air. It was in the air to try to capture this youth movement. And obviously exploited for this medium of TV, that's important for people to remain well in our case for the first time to really combine the power of television radio and record companies. Now it had been done before to some degree with Ricky. Nelson, once in a while some TV Akwa. Come out with a little single. But this was the first time that it was a concerted assault. Honey heavy artillery. Consumer. The monkees was not the Beatles or an attempt to be the American feels. The monkees was a television show about an imaginary group that wanted to be the Beatles. That's what it was about. It was the struggled for success. And that's I, think one of the reasons. It resonated with with so many kids of our generation as you were hungry. Yes, so many shows sense you know you seem they come on the air. They're all beautiful, cute and lovely, and they're successful already. You know the closest thing I've seen come around over. The decades is glee, which was a TV show about an imaginary Glee Club. But I gather they go on perform. 'cause they could. So rather than the old school Hollywood trick having somebody else sing your vocals in West. Side Story. or sweet and lowdown Sean Penn I mean it was a beautiful movie, but of course he didn't play any of that. They had in mind. That we were going to eventually. Go out on the road and perform because the audition process was nothing like I'd ever been through before. You had to be able to sing. You had to be able to play an instrument. You had to improvise. You had to do comedy scene work on the screen tests. So they must have had in mind. You know that. This thing sells then one day. These guys are going to go on the road and and perform so after we got cast and started filming early days early early days. I think maybe before I'd recorded anything. And they brought me to this apartment building and said I want you to meet the writers who will be writing for you? And I go in and this little cubbyholes like looks reminds me of like a medical building dentist here in Chiropractic and it's like. Hello, Carol. Oh Ohi Mickey! This is Carol King should be running songs for you. Oh my God. Oh, Hi and she sitting at Upright Piano. In a little cubbyhole like the size of this little less less than the size of this little studio. and. She has a woolen sack reel to reel tape recorder and I. Remember that because I had the Zach same. Typical Soda. This Mickey Mickey this Carol Hi how you doing nice to meet you hello hi. David David Gates Semitic Dolan's. Be Singing and you're going to be writing for David. Gates Bratty Gas yes by God. Oh my God all. He wrote a big hit for us and I don't know if you saw beautiful, but Carole King at one point says we got to write some songs for this TV. Show in Hollywood Gerry Goffin goes off. Help sorry. Okay So now Nakas David Gates and then I heard about all these writers, but you know even in that day. The writers were not acknowledged like they are now whenever I do a show, I immediately acknowledged the writers that wrote this stuff because without them I be going. When do heart come into the picture very early so Boyce and Hart? We're trying out to be a cast as a couple of the monkees. I have no idea why Baba Raffelson's Burke Schneider. But you know how it goes. I mean you got development from NBC or wherever. I'm sure they were all watching the screen tests, and and make those choices and I have no idea why they chose any of US including me. But. Thank God. But what was your musical DNA I? Mean you performed since you were a child correct? Yeah, and so, what was your music? DNA question you enrolling into that scenario. Thank you because. It is important to me. I started out playing classical guitar Segovia kind of stuff as a ten year old or something like that. My Dad got me into it and played me as Segovia record and I was like. There's no way one person his toy. He said. And I got into it. I got really hooked. I got really passionate. My Dad was. Actor swashbuckling kind of Errol Flynn character in the forties and fifties. From Italy so old school and he got me into playing classical guitar, and I took lessons and and studied and trained. But you know I'm ten years old. Then I went to high school and I started going to parties, and they would invite me to parties. I was just a little geeky mascot. You know, but the girls would invite me to parties because I could play something on the guitar then they would say i. do know any Kingston. Trio. I'll be right back. Hang Down your head. So I got okay at Folk Music Peter Paul. And Mary my sister and I would saying at parties and stuff. And you knew you could sing. Yeah my mom, 'cause. My mom was a singer and great singer, and my dad was great singer, but he was like a you know operatic. He would do strangers in the salmon chance. You. May She a strain sure? But he would sing it. Walking through the living room in his underwear. Grows the glass of red wine and. Anyway, so I'm brought up singing acting the whole thing, but I think nature also has something to do with it. You know there's the physicality of it. You're born with a the physique to be a tennis player Golfer and the pipes to send the well. That's it's a muscle. And so I think I born with the muscles to do that so. Yeah, I could sing my after the folk music era. I started rock and roll, and you know started playing Guitar Rock Rock Qatar and started going out with like you know. Cover Band Mickey in the one nighters. You know just doing you know walking the dog and money and and how? The battles the stones I talked to Ringo about it when I interviewed him one day, he said we'll live all cover bans. And strew I used to do a tune in my band called Johnny. Be Good because I was a huge Chuck Berry Fan. That was my audition piece for the monkees. How did they find you? Oh since I had already had a television show as a child or you sport, NBC. You were circus, but I was asked. One does not go to the cattle hall. NBC New you. And the producers and Bob and and my agent I had an Asian. You know I was doing guest shots on Mr Novak peyton place usually play in the bad guy. The Little Thug Kinda. Creepy Kid. Yeah, the creepy kid for you could tell those like the creepy kid thing. There's a little anarchy underneath everything. You're doing this little a little madness underneath everything. You're under the under the whole monkey. Thing was a little bit of anarchy. Bob and Bert weren't much older. The creators producers they were not much older than we were when I went to my first audition down on our there at the screen gems. I walked in and. these two guys sitting there in jeans and t-shirts. I thought they were there for the audition. And that was Bobbin bird I mean they were part of that? Young Buck New Wave Generation, which created the Hollywood independent film industry with easy rider. So Bob and Bert would not much older than I was, and there's a wonderful chapter in Timothy leary's book, Politics Vecsey. on what you think about Timothy Leary, but he has like a half a chapter on the monkees. Describing how essentially? We brought long hair in the living room and made it okay to where bell bottoms some have long hair. Because the only time you saw longhaired kids in sixty, six or seven on television, they were getting arrested. So the monkeys came along and said we. GonNa. Be have have a have a fun trying to be family. and. It was a tough sell Bob and Bert I. Understand had a real tough sell at the. New York the upfront, restaurants? NBC was nervous. But it represented. All the kids out there. that. We're of the same mine. The majority didn't want. Throw bombs at people or So them, it Wa- It was just. We wanted just have fun and we loved the look. Very similar thing happened with Harry Winkler in happiness. He made it okay to wear a leather jacket finally and ride a motorcycle. Any wasn't Marlon Brando. Kiss of danger kiss of danger, a will. Smith did a similar thing with press prince. He said s okay to be a young black guy, saying rap music well, the monk is the same thing, so, and did you mention easy rider? We add Russ Tamblyn in here to record a show with us, and what's interesting as I asked him how. How his career roles after he does West side story, and then within a matter of a few years a handful of years. All that's crumbling as you said, everything starts to change easy rider. The heroic period of filmmaking Nicholson's career is belong Mickelson ahead is I. I don't want to say break. He was a B. movie actor, and Orman Guy. Cormon and I don't know if you heard the monkey movie called head. Yes, great written by Nicholson and us. We did get credit eventually. After the monkees showing off the air, Bob introduced us to this Guy Call Jack Jack Nicholson who was doing, but wanted to right. And we just fell in love with him. I did I can't speak for everybody else, but he's the was in is one most wonderful Kara's matic, funny intelligent guy that I'd ever met and. We welcome him with open arms, and he hung out with us for like God months it seems like and then we all got together up in Ohio at the IHNEN SPA and we got film of this. I got actual film of sitting around. And choreographing what this movie was going to be about because. obviously as a movie. We didn't have to stick the NBC standards and practices thing which was pretty brutal, but the monkees wasn't about that anyway. It was not our place to do that. At the time we left that to laugh in into other. Shows. I had no objections to that. It was wide demographic young kids thirteen years old. So we went up and wrote this. whacky script and They took that. Created his movie head. which I love I mean. I don't get it still. And I wrote. I wrote part beyond. It's Quinton told me it's like his top five. So that was kind of breakout. You know and fans hated it, but now now it's become this little call thing because at the time you know, they would not let us even touch on anything political social. NBC You know standards and practices I'm not sure. was only just after they let Ozzie and Harriet sleep in the same better so like. Describe for people to hear from your own, mouth. This journey. Everyone's impression knows about that period of you. You know your careers and television that your lip synching. Another band was playing, and you're simulating correct. No No. It's not accurate I accurate. We sang all of it. Every note, right? We didn't live sing. No, you only live sanguine. You're doing a music video. No, but the recording process was was different. and. I know that Peter for instance wanted to go in and play. Mike wanted to, but when we first were cast, they had already recorded a lot of tracks. they hired the wrecking crew, which I'm sure you've read about riot. Studio Bank. They were these studio. Cats played all the tracks for the beach boys. For Association for the birds. I frankly didn't care I. approached it like I was doing a musical I was an entertainer singer actor. The monkees was like Marx brother's musical, and it was John Lennon that I made that comparison. The monkees was a little half hour. Marx brother's musical, but what I'm looking for is eventually. Yeah, you do play. Yeah, what's around the time when you're sitting there and you guys are playing and you say. Wow, yeah, we're there. Does that happened that happened? I am in Honolulu in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty seven, but the prelude to that is that we start rehearsing because they said we want to go on. The road won't take the sack on the road, and that is why they hired actor musicians. Mike plays incredible. Twelve string pureplays play seven instruments. God rest his soul. He went to the Conservatory of Music and like The New York, David didn't play an instrument as such could sing obviously and play percussion. Qatar player, and when they said you're going to be the drummer I said cool. Where do I started? Like I said and circus boy when they said. So. You're going to ride an elephant. Okay. Where do I start like? They must've said the Lloyd bridges one started. Sued you're going to. Try to right. Where do I start? And you just may be the wall. Oh. Actor and musician Micky Dolan's. This album marks the beginning of the band's self sufficiency. You're listening to Michael Nasmyth in nineteen sixty seven singing his own composition. You just may be the one. All the instruments are the monkees themselves to. At the same time as the monkees were softening the edges of the counterculture Andy Warhol was doing the opposite. He made four stars a plot Lewis on edited twenty-five, our portrait of his friends and collaborators, doing drugs and having sex. That movie was also the debut of Warhol's favorite beefcake star. Joe Della Sandro. When the juvenile delinquent turned pinup model showed up at the factory in nineteen, sixty seven. He had no idea who is host was I had a couple of friends in New York. That introduced me to other people, and and then one day one of these friends. Said Hey I. know this person that's. Making these Campbell's soup can't makes. Alfie. The eat some soup. Which I was off more. And you just may be the one. For Link to my interview with Joe del Asandra Text Joe. That's J.. O. E., two, seven, zero, one zero one. Baldwin and this is here's the thing. My guest is Mickey Dolan's drummer and vocalist for the monkees. Chihuahua. down. The down things. The? Pandemic has meant no twenty twenty tour, but you can still hear his and Michael Messerschmidt's. From the comfort of your own confinement, their album called the monkeys live Mike, and Mickey show was taped last year and is available on itunes and spotify. Their sound and the love from the audience is as strong as ever, but starting from just playing a band member on TV, it took Dolan's time and hard work to build up his skills I had about a year, and I studied very very hard, and I practice very very hard. It was rock and roll just four four time for the most part we rehearsed diligently. A David Winters speaking of west side story was the director of our first state show. And all of a sudden one day. They said your first GIG is Hawaii. Because it bombed. It's no one would know many miles off the coast of the United States no Internet. Berry nuclear waste yes S. was US nuclear. Good name for group. Turns out. We did pretty good. There's a live in sixty seven. CD, which was not recorded. To be a record. It was some I think. The sound guy was just holding microphone up in the air to captured, but it's not bad. There's only three of us playing you know is Mike Peter Nye Davey, just doing percussion enforceable? But it was a trio was a power trio, and Peter would play the right hand. He would play keyboard melody and on left. He play Keyboard Bass. Mike Muth always put it like. When we went on the road, it was like Pinocchio became a real little boy. and. There's a lot of truth in that. And how'd you feel back then where you happy? How do they feel? Were they happy with? The event or the monkees couldn't tell I I don't want to speak for Thrim. Might Nasmyth I know and it's well recorded. He wanted to play and sing a lot more. He'd been brought into the. Situation had no idea what series was all about this? He said I want to sing in play and rotten songs. And he did not have a chance to do that initially eventually. And that's when we had the palace coup prompted by him. What Year did that happen? I was sixty seven. I want to say around the time of the live show in Hawaii. Just after we had a palace coup mainly because Mike said we can do this. Pinocchio can become a little boy. He was frustrated and I. Don't blame him. How'd you feel I didn't care one way or the other? I was having a great time and I loved singing. It ended up that I was I think I ended up doing the most of the lead vocals kind of by default. Mike had a very does still has a very wonderful country western. Must has some one. De I love that Song have a beautiful. Yeah. We do that in our show, he and I. Peter. Could play like. Seven instruments David Gray singer, but definitely the crooner Broadway. Kind of Tony Newly. Yet I read somewhere where they had decided the powers that be that your voice was more. The I was the only one that could go. Oh. You're really good at this. So you have the coup, you get Kirschner. You're doing your own thing. Yeah, does everybody sensed that? It's better and everybody's happy. Eventually they do well I can only speak. For Myself. Yeah. During that period I had I guess you'd call it an awakening or something because up until that point we had I'd been ensconced on the set from seven o'clock on the morning of makeup until eleven o'clock at night where I would be brought into in arsia studios. To record two or three lead vocals a night because they wanted so much material show during the record at night, guy had to say needed so much material because they wanted to new songs for every episode. And so Boyce and Hart and Carole King and an all these people are pumping out massive amounts of material and Carol come over to my house. I'd go over to Diane Hildebrand or or Boyce and hard, and and to routine the stuff, and then go on studio, and just blow it out eleven ten eleven o'clock at night, and that went on for months because they needed so much material. This material that is still in the can that we have not released. We released an album two years ago. Called Good Times. One of the songs me and Magdalena written by Ben Gilbert from death cap acuity. Is Number Seventy six. On the billboard, hot, one hundred for the entire decade on this album called good times very proud of that, so anyway I'm in the studio. Or on the set. Basically twenty four seven, but I'm only twenty one years old so. I'm just taking it for what it is. I mean I was had been brought up to be A. Actor entertainer and you show up at seven for your makeup Maurel. Call and you do your job and you got who sold Judy Garland. Thing now. Let me ask you that meaning. You're twenty years old and you're grinding this out. What was your life like? Did you have a life? Oh absolute meeting had a wonderful right I, actually had a wonderful again I was used to it. I had a lot of this series when I was ten so I well knew what I was getting into. It was almost like home for me. Because when you're ten twelve thirteen years old in your. In those are very formative years, and I was on the set with my mom and a bunch of smell electricians. And so I went back to high school, and that was abnormal for me I was like fish out of water until I got the monkeys, which is only a few years later when I went to the. Interview for the monkees. At screen gems. The same guy was on the gate that had been there when I was ten years old circus play only ten years later. This was home to me. I breathed a sigh of Relief Being on a set. You're comfortable there Oh. Yeah big time. Because before that I was on my father set. When he was doing movies for. Howard US I didn't have to adapt. Sell into it and win and win. The show ends zero thought for you to say I'm done with music though I don't want to go back to acting or no. Were you now in your soul a musician? No, I was up for the FAWNS. And it was between me and Henry. Winkler I. Don't know if he's ever told you the story. Was a mid season replacement just after the monkees and I was up Burton went back to call backs, and it was between me and Henry. He walked into the office Garry. Marshall's office said Oh. Shit Micky Dolenz zero. I'm never gonNA. Get this. And thank God. He did because he was a much better fons than I would have been. No I went for some of interviews, and I did a couple of little guest shots on on some shows. My agent would send me off for a little things, but I would go into the office and they'd say a don't need any drummers. What are you doing years? It was hard to get out from under the shadow of the monkees. Talked to Leonard Nimoy about that. This classic problem. In Our star Serie Yeah. But I didn't worry about it that much, because the same thing had happened to me after circus boy. I'd go to an interview and they'd say we don't need. Any, elephants go and you're not blond anymore. What say! I was just that right, but also. I had already started directing. And I directed A. Episode of the monkees wrote and directed. I already decided. I kind of wanted to get into production, I already been an actor. Since I was ten, and I started a little dump reduction company, but shortly thereafter I moved to land, had murdered girl. That is English and we went to England to do a play at the Mermaid Theatre doing the point by tearing Nelson, who is my dear friend at the time and he'd written this. Animated thing and then became a. Play in London in the western and he said, would you come and play in it? It was a limited pantomime season. And I went there with my wife I brought my reels what I had at the time and gave it to an English agent and all of a sudden. Bang I. I I get this Gig at the BBC directing a drama drama play. and. I did it and all of a sudden I go for three months state for fifteen years. I directed big shows long running shows for the BBC for L. WT for Granada for Tim's I loved it, and I was doing something outside of the purview of what I was known for over there. Within a bathtub year you escape auditions well, the not addition the interviews when I did a interview, it would say. BBC producer writer. Michael Dolan's. you became someone else again. I did from circus boy. To Mickey, Dolan's to Michael. Dolan's yeah, we're back again. What brought you back fifteen years? You loved okay. I'll give you the truth a divorce. I retired actually I'd tried to retire thirty five or forty years on the big English rock and Roll Mansion fulltime staff six. Hunting in the winter and Polo in the summer and the Rockstar low. Yeah, and it was pouring. Yeah I was bored to death, because I wasn't working. I wasn't accomplishing I'd I'd wander around the grounds. Seven or eight acres of formal gardens and help would tip their hats morning good, morning. And I was like trying to hang out with a mid. Morning Governor isn't I got very bored because I wasn't working came to. The states did a little directing. Boy Meets World I. Did Pacific, blue But I kind of I guess I kind of got tired of that, too. I don't know me here. It's not same in England. I had. And I still think it applies enormous amount of control. Over there. The showrunner is the producer director. Not The producer writer I hired writers. Here. The producer writer is the more. That's the showrunner circle. Over there. I'd go in and pitch an idea. and. Unlike over here where it has to go through, you know, God knows how many network development executives. They would just have. Rather like that idea. Here's the money. Go ahead and do it. Seriously and I wouldn't hear anything for weeks. Like is anybody out there? How am I doing okay? Enormous amount of responsibility, but also freedom, and that's why we get these amazing shows out of Britain to this day. Because! They don't fuck around with you then when you. Go on the road. Now you go periodic periodically. You guys are out there and when you're out there. Like how? How does it begin the show? You can again Mike on First of all. I saying most of the leads. And Mike, wrote some incredible toons for the monkees and after. It's probably a lot more musical We have incredible band ten piece van. It's different, but the hitter there. Because, the people want to hear the hitch. I've always acknowledged that and I do them as they remember them. It's very important to do that. So they can sing long. Peter Tork God love him. You know passed away last year and Davy Jones. Passed away a while ago a few years ago, yeah! The monkees thing will go on. You know with without me because. The music was you know? So special. And the show, you know the thing about the TV, show the smartest thing they did. Those producers is that. Topical and it wasn't satirical. Like I love Lucy or the honeymooners, or it was about these four guys that that were living in this situation. In Malibu and Malibu and wanted to be successful. And we never were on the show. That's I think one of the reasons why it stands up my last question for you would be music today. Contemporary Music. Are you a fan of much contemporary music? Recited in your life as much. It's not in my life at all not that I have anything against it, but I kind of. I guess I kind of dialed out. with Sinatra and classical guitar from in the morning, my wife and I listened to Segovia. And in the afternoon we listened to Billie holiday. I mean you know? It's You know because I. do it for living. You know it's I, I. Don't Keep Up. I must admit I'm sure there's lots of wonderful stuff out there. But no, you have how many kids oh I have four four kids, yeah. I know. What do they do the anybody? Grandkids. Two of them are in the entertainment industry. One is talk over? And mom stay at home. Mom and the other is the chief officer for thirteen African nations. For the Clinton Foundation trying to eradicate malaria looking from where he lives in DC, but goes to Africa frequently. How many? How many boys all girls? And now two grandchildren and a third at Christmas. Beautiful. Not Bad for a long haired Weirdo America. Pack. Pain. In My. Catch the fastest. Train That's okay. Don't. Say. TAMAZ GONNA. BEAT TAMAZ DON'T WANNA be. A. Mickey, Dolan's youth culture icon grandfather. That third grandchild was born right on schedule over the holidays, a healthy baby boy currently shelter in place with his mom in Washington DC. Is GonNA BE? A Tomorrow's going to be another day. This is Alec Baldwin. Here's the thing is a production of WNYC studios. No use no more. Going to make it. Did! Say. Tomorrow, it's going to be tomorrow going to be tomorrow's GONNA be. A.

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A monkey economy as irrational as ours | Laurie Santos

TED Talks Daily

20:13 min | 1 year ago

A monkey economy as irrational as ours | Laurie Santos

"Hey it's hugh and this is. Ted Talks daily. Humans are a super smart species right but we also make consistently dumb decisions. Why in this archive talk from Ted Global? Twenty ten cognitive psychologist. Laurie Santos uses a fascinating field experiment to shed. Some Light Lori is also a podcast. Host of her own hers is based on the popular site course. She teaches at Yale and in it she takes you through the latest scientific research and share surprising stories. That will change the way you think about happiness. You can check out that podcast. The happiness lab from Pushkin Industries. Wherever you listen to podcasts I wanNA start my talk today. With two observations about the human species. The first observation is something that you might think is quite obvious. And that's that our species homo sapiens is actually really really smart. Like ridiculously smart. Like you're all doing things that no other species on the planet does right now and this is of course not the first time you've probably recognized this of course in addition to being smart. We're also an extremely vain species we like pointing out the fact that we're smart. So I could turn to pretty much any sage from Shakespeare to Stephen Colbert to point out. Things like the fact that we're noble in reason infinite in faculties and just kind of awesome er than everything else on the planet when it comes to all things rebirth. But of course there's a second observation about the human species that I want to focus on a little bit more and that's the fact that even though we're actually really smart sometimes uniquely smart we can also be incredibly incredibly dumb when it comes to some aspects of our decision making now. I'm seeing lots of smirks out there. Don't worry I'm not going to call anyone in particular out on any aspects of your own mistakes but of course just the last two years we see these unprecedented examples of human ineptitude. We've watched the tools. We uniquely make to pull the resources out of our environment. And I've just blow up in our face. We've watched the financial markets that we uniquely create these markets. That were supposed to be foolproof. We've watched them kind of collapse before our eyes but both of these two embarrassing examples. I think don't highlight. What I think is most embarrassing about the mistakes that humans make. Which is that. We'd like to think that the mistakes we make are really just the result of a couple bad apples or a couple really sort of fill blog worthy decisions but it turns out what social scientists are actually learning. Is that most of us. When put in certain contexts will actually make very specific mistakes. The errors we make are actually predictable. We make them again and again and they're actually immune to lots of evidence when we get negative feedback. We still the next time. We're faced with a certain context tend to make the same errors and so this has been a real puzzle to me as a sort of scholar of human nature. What I'm most curious about is. How is a species? That's as smart as we are capable of such bad such consistent. Errors all the time you know. We're the smartest thing out there. Why can't we figure this out in some sense? Where do our mistakes really come from and having thought about this a little bit I see a couple of different possibilities? One possibility is in some sense. It's not really our fault. Because we're a smart species we can actually create all kinds of environments that are super super complicated. Sometimes too complicated for us to even actually understand even though we've actually created them we create financial markets that are super complex. We create mortgage terms that we can actually deal with and of course if we are put in environments where we can't deal with it in some sense makes sense that we actually might mess certain things up. If this was the case we'd have a really easy solution to the problem human error. We'd actually just say okay. What's figure out the kinds of technologies? We can't deal with the kinds of environments that are bad. Get rid of those design things better and we should be the noble species that we expect ourselves to be. But there's another possibility that I find a little bit more worrying. Which is maybe it's not our environments that are messed up. Maybe it's actually us. That's designed badly. This is a hint that I've gotten from watching the ways that social scientists have learned about human errors. What we see is that people tend to keep making errors exactly the same way over and over again. It feels like we may almost be built to make errors in certain ways. This is a possibility that I worry a little bit more about. Because if it's us that's messed up. It's not actually clear how we go about dealing with might just have to accept the fact that we're error-prone and crank tried to design things around it so this is the question my students and I wanted to get at. How can we tell the difference between possibility? One possibility to what we need is a population. That's basically smart can make lots of decisions but doesn't have access to any of the systems. We have any of the things that might mess up. No human technology human culture maybe even not human language and so this is why we turn to these guys. Here this is Brown capuchin monkey. These guys are new world primates. Ouch means they broke off from the human branch about thirty five million years ago. This means that your gregory great great great great with about five million greats in their grandmother was probably the same great great great great great great grandmother with five million greats in there as holly up here so you can take comfort in the fact that this guy up here is a really really distant but albeit evolutionary relative the good news about holly though is that she doesn't actually have the same kinds of technologies we do you know she's smart very cute Creature of primate as well but she lacks all this stuff we think might be messing us up to seize the perfect test case. What if we put holly into the same context as humans? Does she make the same mistakes as us? Does she? Not Learn from them and so on and so this is the kind of thing we decided to do. My students that. I got very excited about this a few years ago. We said all right. Let's throw some problems at Holly. See if she misses these things up. First PROBLEM IS JUST. Where SHOULD WE START? Because you know it's great for us bad for humans. We make a lot of mistakes a lot of different contexts where we actually going to start with this and because we started this work around the time of the financial collapse round the time went. Foreclosures were hitting the news. We said maybe we should actually start in the financial domain. Maybe we should look at monkey's economic decisions and try to see if they do the same kinds of dumb things that we do. Of course. That's when we hit a sort of second problem a little bit more methodological which is maybe you guys don't know but monkeys don't actually use money you haven't met them. This is why you know they're not in the queue behind you at the grocery store at the you know they don't do this stuff so now. We faced a little bit of a problem here. How are we going to actually ask monkeys about money? If they don't actually use it so he said well maybe we should just just suck it up and teach monkeys how to use money. So that's just what we did. We weren't very creative at the time we started these studies so we just called it a token but this is the unit of currency that we've taught our monkeys yell to actually use with humans to actually buy different pieces of food. It doesn't look like much in fact it isn't like much like most of our money. It's just a piece of metal as those of you who've taken currencies home from your trip know once you get home? It's actually pretty. Useless was useless to the monkeys at first before they realized what they could do with it when we first gave it to them in their enclosures they actually kind of picked them up. Looked at them news. Kind of weird things but very quickly. The monkeys realized that they could actually hand. These tokens over two different humans in the lab for some food. And so you see one of our monkeys made it up here doing this. This is a and B are kind of the points where she sort of a little bit curious about these things doesn't know there's this waiting hand from human experimenter and made it quickly figures out. Apparently the human wants this handover then get some food. Turns OUT NOT? Just mayday all of our monkeys. Get good at trading tokens with human salesmen. So the monkeys get really good at this surprisingly good at this with very little training we just allowed them to pick this up on their own. Question is is this human money. Is this market at all or did we just do a kind of weird Psychologist trick by getting monkeys to do something looking smart but not really being spun and so we said well. What would the monkeys spontaneously do? If this was really their currency they were really using it like money. Well you might actually imagine them to do all the kinds of smart things that humans do when they start exchanging money with each other my have them start paying attention to price paying attention to how much they buy sort of keeping track of their monkey token as it were. Do the monkeys do anything like this? And so our monkey marketplace. I was born the way this works is that our monkeys normally live in a kind of big zoo social enclosure when they get a hankering from some treats we actually allowed them away out into a little smaller enclosure where they could enter the market upon entering the market it was actually a much more fun market for the monkeys than most human markets because as the monkeys entered the door of the market human would give them a big wallet full of Tokens so they could actually trade. The tokens with two different possible. Human salesmen that they could actually buy stuff from the salesman where students from my lab. They dress differently. They were different people and overtime. They did basically the same thing so the monkeys could learn. Who sold at what price? Who was reliable. Who wasn't in so on and you can see that each of the experimenters is actually holding up a little yellow food dish. And that's what the monkey can get for a single token. Everything costs one token. But as you can see. Sometimes tokens by more than others. Sometimes more grapes than others. So I'll show you a quick video of what this marketplace actually looks like. Here's a monkey. I view so monkeys are shorter. So it's a little short but here's honey. She's waiting for the market to open a little impatiently all of a sudden market opens. Here's her choice. One or two grapes. You can see honey very good. Monkey economists goes with the guy who gives more. She good teacher financial advisers. A few things too so not just honey. Most of the monkeys went with guys who had more most of the monkeys went with guys who had better food when we introduce sales. We saw the monkeys paid attention to that. They really cared about their monkey. Token dollar the more surprising thing was that when we collaborated with economists. Actually look at the monkeys data using economic tools. They basically matched not just qualitatively but quantitatively with what we saw humans doing a real market so much so that if you saw the monkeys numbers you couldn't tell whether they came from a monkey or a human in the same market and what we'd really thought we done. We've actually introduced something that at least for the monkees. Us works like a real financial currency. Question is do the monkey start messing up in the same way as we do. Well we already saw anecdotally a couple signs that they might one thing. We never saw in. The Monkey. Marketplace was any evidence of saving. You know just like our own species. Monkeys entered the market spent their entire budget and then went back to everyone else. Other thing we also spontaneously saw embarrassingly. Enough is spontaneous evidence of larceny. The monkeys would rip off the tokens at every available opportunity from each other often from us. You know things we didn't necessarily think we were introducing but things we spontaneously saw so we said this looks bad. Can we actually see if the monkeys are doing exactly the same dumb things as humans? Do one possibility is just kind of let the monkey financial system play out if they start calling us for bailouts and a few years. We are little impatient so we wanted to speed things up a bit so we said let's actually give the monkeys the same kinds of problems that humans tend to get wrong in certain kinds of economic challenges certain kinds of economic experiments and so since the best way to see how people go wrong is to actually do it yourself. I'm going to give you guys a quick experiment to sort of. Watch your own financial intuitions in action. So imagine that right now I handed each and every one of you thousand. Us dollars so ten crisp hundred dollar bills take these put it in your wallet and spend the second thing about what you're going to do with it because it's yours now you can buy whatever you want. Donate it take it. Sounds great but you get one more choice to earn a little bit more money. And here's your choice. You can either be risky. Which case I'm going to flip one of these monkey tokens? If it comes up heads you're going to get a thousand dollars more. If it comes up tails you get nothing. So it's a chance to get more but it's pretty risky. Your other option is a bit safe. You're just going to get some money for sure. I'm just going to give you five hundred bucks. You can stick it in your wallet and use it immediately. So see what. Your intuition is here. Most people actually go with the play. It safe option. Most people say why should I be risky when I can get fifteen hundred dollars for sure? This seems like a good bet. I'm going to go with that. You might say no. That's not really a rational. People are a little risk averse so what well the so what comes when we start thinking about the same problem set up just a little bit differently so now imagine that I give each and every one of you two thousand dollars twenty crisp hundred dollar bills. Now you can buy double the stuff you'RE GONNA GET BEFORE. Think about how you'd feel sticking in your wallet and now imagine that. I have you make another choice. But this time it's a little bit worse now. You're going to be deciding how you're going to lose money but you're going to get the same choice. You can either take a risky loss. So I'll flip a coin if it comes up heads you're GONNA actually lose a lot comes up tails you lose nothing. You find gift to keep the whole thing or could play it safe which means you have to reach back into your wallet. Give me five of those one hundred dollar bills for certain so. Maybe you're having the same intuitions as the subjects. That were actually tested in this. Which is when presented with these options. People don't choose to play it safe. They actually tend to go a little risky. The reason this is irrational is that we've given people in both situations the same choice. It's a fifty fifty shot of a thousand or two thousand or just fifteen hundred dollars with certainty but people's intuitions. About how much. Risk to take varies depending on where they started with. So what's going on? Well it turns out this is seems to be the result of at least two biases that we have at the psychological level. One is that we have a really hard time thinking in absolute terms. You really have to do work to figure out that well one thousand two thousand one is fifteen hundred instead we find it very easy to think in very relative terms as options change from one time to another so we think of things is going to get more or along to get less. This is all well and good except that changes in different directions actually affect whether or not we think options are good or not and this leads to the second bias which economists have called loss aversion. The ideas that we really hate it when things go into the red we really hate it when we have to lose out on some money and this means that sometimes we'll actually switch our preferences to avoid this while you saw that last scenarios that subjects get risky because they want the small shot that there won't be any loss that means we're in a risk mindset or excuse me when we're in a loss mindset. We actually become more risky. Which can actually be really worrying these kinds of things play out in lots of bad ways and humans there why stock investors hold onto losing stocks longer. Because they're evaluating them in relative terms there why people in the housing market refuse to sell their house because they don't want to sell at a loss. The question we were interested in is whether the monkeys show the same biopsies if we set up those same scenarios in our little monkey market would they do the same thing as people and so. This is what we did. We gave the monkeys choices between guys who are safe. They did the same thing every time or guys who are risky. They did things differently half the time and then we gave them options that were bonuses like you guys did in the first scenario so they actually have a chance to get more or cases where they were experiencing losses. They actually thought they were going to get more than they really got. We introduced the monkeys to to monkey salesman. The guy on the left and right both start with one piece of grape so looks pretty good but they're going to give the monkeys bonuses. The guy on the left is a safe bonus all the time he adds one to give the monkeys to the guy on. The right is actually a risky bonus. Sometimes the monkeys get no bonus so this is a bonus of zero. Sometimes the monkeys get two extra for a big bonus now they get three but this is the same choice you guys just faced. Do the monkeys actually want to play it safe and then go with the guy who's going to do the same thing on every trial. Do THEY WANNA be risky and get to try to get a risky. But big bonus but risk the possibility of getting no bonus people here played it safe turns out the monkeys. Play it safe too qualitatively and quantitatively. They choose exactly the same way as people when tested in the same thing. You might say. Well maybe the monkeys just don't like risk maybe we should see how they do with losses so we ran a second version of this now. The monkeys meet to guys who aren't giving them bonuses. They're actually giving them less than they expect so they look like they're starting out with a big amount. These are three grapes. Monkeys really psyched for this. But now they learn. These guys are gonNA give them less than they expect. The guy on the left is a safe loss every single time. He's GonNa take one of these away and give them monkeys just to the guy on the right. Is the risky loss. Sometimes he gives no loss. The monkeys are really psyched but sometimes he actually gives a big loss taking away to to give the monkeys only one and so. What are the monkeys do again same choice? They can play it safe for always getting grapes every single time or they can take a risky bet and choose between one and three the remarkable thing to us. Is that when you give monkeys this choice? They do the same irrational thing that people do. They actually become more risky. Depending on. How the experimenters started. This is crazy because it suggests that the monkees tour evaluating things in relative terms and actually treating losses differently than they treat gains. So what does all this mean? What we've shown is that first of all we can actually give the monkeys a financial currency and they do very similar things with it. They do some of the smart things we do. Some of the kind of not so nice things we steal it and so on but they also do some of the irrational things we do. They systematically get things wrong and in the same ways that we do. This is the first take home message through the talk. Which is that if you saw the beginning of this and you thought all. I'm totally going to go home and hire a capuchin monkey financial adviser. They're way cuter than don't do that. They're probably going to be just as dumb as human. You already have so a little bad. Sorry sorry sorry a little bad for monkey investors but of course you know. The reason you're laughing is bad for humans too because we've answered the question we started out with. We wanted to know where these kinds of errors came from and we started with the hope that maybe we can tweak our financial institutions tweak our technologies to make ourselves better but what we've learned that these biases might be a deeper part of us in that in fact they might be due to the very nature of evolutionary history. You know maybe it's not just humans at the right side of this chain. That's Dungy maybe it's sort of done. See All the way back and this if we believe the capuchin monkey results means that these dunphy strategies might be thirty five million years old. That's a long time for a strategy to potentially get changed around really really old. What do we know about other strategies like this well? One thing we know is that they tend to be really hard to overcome. Think of our evolutionary predeliction for eating sweet things fatty things like cheesecake. Kiss shut that off because just look at the dessert cart and say none of that looks disgusting to me. We're just built differently. We're GONNA perceive it as a good thing to go. After my guess is that the same thing is going to be true when humans are perceiving different financial decisions when you're watching your stocks plummet into the red when you're watching your house price go down. You're not going to be able to see that in anything but old evolutionary terms this means that the biases that lead investors to do badly that lead to the foreclosure crisis are going to be really hard to overcome. So that's the bad news. Question is is there any good news? I'm supposed to be up here telling you the good news. Well the good news I think is what I started with at the beginning of the talk. Which is that. Humans are not only smart. We're really inspirationally. Smart to the rest of the animals in the biological kingdom. We're so good at overcoming our biological limitations you know. I flew over here in an airplane. I didn't have to try to flap my wings. I'm wearing contact lenses now. So that I can see all of you don't have to rely on my own near sightedness. We actually have all of these cases where we overcome our biological limitations through technology and other means seemingly pretty easily but we have to recognize that we have those limitations. And here's the RUB. It was Komo who once said that man is the only species who refuses to be what he really is but the irony is that it might only be in recognizing our limitations that we can really actually overcome them. The hope is that you all will think about your limitations. Not necessarily as on overcome -able put to recognize them accept them and then use the world of design to actually figure them out. That might be the only way that we will really be able to achieve our own human potential and really be the noble species. We hope to all be thank you. Hey Ted talks to listeners. I'm Adam grant host another podcast Ted. It's called work life and it's about the science of making work not suck coming up. We're tackling Huddah best be your authentic selves. Especially if you describe yourself like this as a heretic heretic. I like the word because it means someone whose views are different from the prevailing worth of toxic. Find Work With Adam. Grant on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen.

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"Hey, everybody and welcome to the billboard dot com. Pop. Shop podcast. I'm Keith Caufield senior director of charts at billboard. And I'm Katie Atkinson billboards deputy editor digital greetings, Katie. Hey, keith. How are you doing wildest coming out from that Ciancio high Asensio high? I don't you're gonna say like the Easter bunny high that too, right? Yes Easter Easter was last week, but most importantly Ciancio it was on the podcast. Most importantly, did you find CNC oh in your eggs that you that's some large life size. Well as always the billboard pop. Shop podcast is your one-stop shop for all things pop on Billboard's weekly charts. And in addition, you can always count on a lively discussion about the latest pop news CNC. Oh, fun chart stats stories. The Easter bunny new music and guest interviews with music stars. And folks from the world of pop today on the show, we'll be chatting about big chart news from BT 's Sam Smith and Normany and the Jonas brothers along with news about Madonna, Donna and Justin Bieber surprise appearance at Coachella. And now he says all of a sudden he has a new album coming soon. All right beeps full of surprises. You know? It's I I'm waiting for him could be for all we know. It can be like a Conde Justin Collado way. What I don't know on could be they were both echo shell on Sunday on you could drop a gospel album this week y'all we know who knows you know, that's not far fetched at all. But yes, continue maybe that Yandi album will come out anyways sidetrack. Plus, we have an interview with love maccagnan, the rapper and singer. Scored a top twenty billboard hot one hundred hit back in two thousand fourteen with Tuesday. And now he's back on the charts. With a surprise hit alongside his late friend little peep, I've been waiting which also features fall out boy we sat down with mccone into talk about the making of the track. How it feels good to keep memory alive? And how maccagnan has four different album projects in the works four including one with peop-. So stick around for all that a little bit later. But first before we get started. If you enjoy the podcast subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast provider. So you won't miss an episode. And if you want to explore more podcast from billboard visit, but we're dot com slash podcasts. Let's talk about the charts. When a theme song chart chat themes. Let's talk about the charts. All right. So I up on the billboard two hundred albums chart BTS scores. Their third number one album with map of the soul colon persona. The set earned two hundred thirty thousand quivalent album units in the United States in the week ending April eighteenth, according to Nielsen music, and that scores the biggest week yet for the Korean boy band. Lots of fun facts for you about this albums debut at number one make sure to read my story on billboard dot com. But here is one really cool fund. Nugget beats yes has now achieved three number one albums in just under eleven months time as persona follows love yourself tier and love yourself answer. Now the last group to earn three number ones faster than BTS. Well, that was the monkeys back in nineteen sixty seven during monkey mania nineteen sixty seven when they did it in just nine months and three weeks with these three albums more of the Monkees headquarters and Pisces. Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones LTd, I didn't know that album title. That's fun. Yeah. I yeah. I mean, they had four number one albums in total. They had the monkeys more of the Monkees at quarters, and then the prices Aquarius Capricorn, but it all came within like a little over. He was just like monkeys pandemonium wild. But you know, that's what happened back in the day. Like just turned out those albums back in this. Anyway. While BTS debuted at number one on the Biltmore two hundred the album's boy with love single between Halsey debuts straight in at number eight on the billboard hot one hundred songs. Chart scoring BTS. Their highest charting hit ever that song is really catchy. By the way. My mind. My mind poker face now. No, I'm singing boy with love don't have the army come for you. I was coming for your singing more than my my my scene isn't very that's not what I meant either. Okay. Well, it isn't. All right. Staying with the hot one hundred as little nuts Xs old town road, featuring Billy Ray Cyrus stays at number one for a third week Sam Smith and nor Montes duet dancing with a stranger hits the top ten for the first time rising twelve to seven. It's the sixth top ten for Smith and the second for Normany, but the way make sure to tune into the two thousand nineteen billboard music awards on Mayfair's dec- Smith in norm. Army nor mommy, nor Mani perform onstage. That's just the first of many BMI references coming up from our radio announcer voice of Keith. And hopefully, I will not say nor, mommy. Probably what are fans caller like when they say mom middling, nor mom what I meant. Mommy. Okay. Lastly over on the pop songs airplay chart the Jonas brothers earned their first number one as sucker bumps Tutu to one the track which earlier debuted at number one on the hot one hundred also rises ten to nine on the adult pop songs airplay chart. So speaking of those job rose, it's like we set it up this way. Right. Fresh off that chart topping success of their hit sucker the Jonas brothers announced Monday that they will drop a brand new album called happiness begins on June, seventh the broS last full length album was way back in two thousand nine with lines vines and trying times the last studio album. Yes. Full length project the trio will perform at the twenty thousand nine billboard music. On may first and follow up with a musical Gus spot on Saturday Night Live on may eleventh. And it's also just over ten years since their last SNL appearance, so Jonas job Romania and full effect in coming back full circle Joe, bro. I mean, meanwhile, same same kind of time period. Just be restarted around the same time that job rose were having their last. Oh, I'm like they didn't start this thing. No, no, no, no, like deeper wasn't embryo. But after an sink and Nicki Minaj last week at Coachella and Diddy and Mace headliner, Arianna 'Grande surprised attendees on Sunday night of weekend too at the festival with a performance by Justin Bieber, and she said on stage that it was a completely unplanned moment and Bieber even reference like he was just wearing his clothes and didn't even know he was going to be on stage, allegedly K horse. They're both managed by scooter Braun. So it is believable that he would just roll into CRA Ana then are it could be like, hey, come on up. How totally unplanned today mean like, oh, she knew like before the performance or he just waltz down side is like day off. So he'll be harmed. Sorry. I mean, so it wasn't like a, you know, a duet performance. Whatever he performed his own song that he's perform any ties before they had the track ready to play behind him. Yeah. Okay. So who's carries around like a USB of zone zone instrumentals at sure just engage just in case that song forces from his twenty fifteen album, purpose and. He announced onstage plans to drop a new album soon. So he told the crowd, quote, I wore this fly outfit not knowing that. I was going to be on stage. This is my first time onstage in like two years. So I had to get my swag back on this all checks out. Seems completely verifiable and the singer added. Thank you so much and by the way album coming soon. So this is sort of a surprise given that just last month he posted on Instagram that he was taking a break from us is going to say, I'm like, wait wasn't. He like on some sort of sabbatical. And I also saw an article pointed out that like before purpose came out. He said he was retiring from music apparently. And then purpose came out. Maybe he still has an album left in his contract that he has to like. Than scooter pulls out. Vaults of light compromising photos. Yes. I'm pretty sure that's not happening. That's not happening. Well, our speaking of compromising photos talk about Madonna and believers going after we after this Donna now Madonna is no stranger to compromising. But those are over own volition offered those up to the world we mentioned last week that she had this new song coming with malu-malu. We knew nothing last week. And now we have heard the song it's called medicine, Ian, and the pair will bring the worldwide television debut reforms of their duet to the. Billboard music. And let me remind you may I. On NBC and the show will Mark Madonna's first performance of new music on TV and more than four years, ma'am. Yeah. They're saying new music because she performed on the BBC as in that prince review. So new. Were. So as we saw the payroll take the stage on may first at the show which airs on NBC at eight p m e t p t forgotten NBC God also coming this week is a video for the song which rise on Wednesday on MTV how old fashioned. It's I love all Katie used to work at MTV. I did. But I also I also just like was a fan and viewer of MTV. So I love when they do like, a big event music video premieres, you know. Yeah. I don't know. But yes, it is. I guess it is quaint and old school. But I like it was last time something actually like premiered on MTV and not on the interwebs. I mean, I'm sure there are examples, especially with you know, they had the resurgence of TRL come out, I'm Nansen premiers on there. But when I was working there. I very much remember lady Gaga premiering a video and doing it like as a big event where everybody came into the studio like like it was TRL all over again. But it was TRL didn't exist anymore, and it was just for. A Gaga video premiere and they made this big deal. I don't remember which song it was. That'd be helpful. I wonder if this means it's like some sort of synergistic hook up with like MTV, and Viacom, and like it's part of a grander thing. You always have to assume there's some mechanism on like does this mean that she's going to the VM as in August? Yeah. Unplanned will she get the video vanguard award. Yeah. Why not journey to got it in the eighties? Just give it to her again. Funny, like she's done so much sense. Then it could be like two or two. We we already recognized your work from like eighty four to eighty seven. Yes. Exactly. Now, we're going to recognize it from Eighty-eight on where that would be funny if they started giving out like eras of lifetime achievement awards. It's like say, we are we gave you one of these like twenty years ago, here's another so stay tuned. Bob Shaw for more on the video, and of course, all of Madonna's upcoming Madame x album, plus everything you need to know about next week's billboard music awards on may first. And who knows also by the time you hear this Taylor swift will have dropped a new something. That's right on the twentieth. Stay tuned for next week on that. I was going to bring it up again. But all these little teases that she's had there wasn't much new to say from what we talked about last week. So I think after the after the show we recorded last week she posted a picture of a bike. And I was like four twenty six the new Taylor schwinn by. Oh, God her fans would not be. Okay. And then oh God. Did you see the the Bill ward dot com headline over? The weekend where I saw your tweet about it. We had a headline that said something about Taylor swift countdown clock tease in new new Taylor, swift countdown clock teases or clock tease. It's and it was like, Colin whatever it was. I'm like, yeah. Clock. Tease cheese. I'm like, I I hope this is something big. I mean, it can't it somebody suggested in. I mean today like what if it's a perfume? It's like get out of here. Oh my God. It can't be music a personal on new music perfume bundled with a new album, I'll subtle for nothing. But new music all settle for only new music. What if what if she drops the new single and then shows up at the billboard awards? I mean, that's the dream. I literally have no. Zero. None. We're not even like, I'm not that. He's not gonna tease with any sort of like confidence. It was even said, it shouldn't have even said it. It's just it's just like, well, I mean if she's ramping up for like this big promo push out timing. She's also, which isn't she's performing at the time. One hundred thing. Yeah. So and then stage coaches this weekend. Right. So what a house up at stagecoach stop. I I don't know. It's just so many things in and like by the time, we do the next show. All of it will be out. Yeah. So stay tuned. It's a children's book she's written. Stickers. None of us. Although my son loves Deckers, but stickers I'll get them for them. Okay. Well, now, it's time for interview with I love maccagnan, the rapper and singer scored a top twenty billboard hot one hundred hit back in two thousand fourteen with Tuesday featuring Drake. And now maccagnan is back with the surprise hit alongside is late friend little peep, I've been waiting the track which features fall out boy was originally recorded by maccagnan and peop- before people passed away in two thousand seventeen now after his death. Fall out boy jumped on the cut and red hot super producer Louis bell helped mix it and added some production of his own and then the track took off like wildfire. Currently the cut is sitting in the top fifteen of the pop songs airplay chart, and is enjoying a stay on the hot one hundred in our interview with maccagnan. We talk about the making of the track how he impeached actually, set out with the intention of making basically a pop crossover record. And how maccagnan feels you know, like. The dream is really coming true of of what they intended to do with this project, plus mccone and talks about his four different album projects that are on the way three of his own and one with peop-. So take a listen to our chat with I love maccagnan. Czar gang. Welcome to the billboard pop. Shop podcast. I love mccone. How are you doing great? How you doing? I am swell. But I'm not the one who has a hit single right now. So I think you're doing a little bit better than we are. I've been waiting your collaboration with little peep, which features fall out boy has become a somewhat of a left field smash at the top twenty hit on our pop songs airplay chart which measures the most popular songs on top forty radio and it debuted on our all format billboard hot one hundred chart you've had success before with your single Tuesday. But this is a really unique situation. Did the success of the song? Surprise you at all. Yeah. There's definitely surprising. Really didn't know what to expect. I just knew it was something I was very passionate about with the with low peop- and follow. Boy. So, you know, which is kinda gave our best in hope people. I did. In the seems to be reacting. Very well. I'd say they do was the track mostly finished before low Pete passed away. Or was it kind of in a different state or Cain talk about that? Yeah. It was mostly finished of one low people was alive. And then after he passed follow boy, you know, added their parts, and then we kind of, you know, put put some things around to make it all fit. And then you know, that was it. But like we used all the flow. Peeps. Parts for that he recorded on the song. So there's no like different parts that were maybe he left out. You know what I'm saying? Like he was me and him original like that. That's how we're kinda doing it. And then after the pass follow a came in at some more. And then we kinda got to just rearrange it that we we were listening to a demo. We're not a demo. I guess the maybe what is considered the original? On youtube. But then again, I don't know how to report YouTube is so yeah. But it it was just the two of you on the track. Yeah. And the lyrics are basically the same. It seems like some of the lyrics change like there's some that may be left out of the final version. But it's still kind of the vibe of it is still very much there. It's still very much the version that we hear now. But obviously sounds a little bit more polished. Yeah. I I think what maybe you were. Maybe hinting at talking about. Peeps parts is that, you know, sometimes we will hear about a song that has released after someone isn't here with us any more about how the song was assembled by various other bits of lyrics from other song that we're maybe intended for that that actual piece of work. But you're this. It was all intended always to done it. But you know, obviously, it came out to be very pop production as well, which seems like something that you were intending to have happened was that not that you wanna put thoughts or words into Pete's mouth. But was the intention when you? You were speaking with him that it would have a pop sound. Yeah. Yeah. Our intention and making our whole album together was just sort of put us in what we call popstar land. And so we like that land. Yeah. So. Yeah, that's that was really the intention behind all our music. We wanted to be, you know, have like almost like crossover to pop but still be like original from low people mccown sa-, but you know, almost like take our fans to the next state, which is like pop star. And so it was like come on. And then, you know. Are you a fan of pop music? Yeah. Definitely who are some of your favorites. Like Britney Spears. Of course, instinct, we're talking full on two thousands. Yeah. Like all the two thousand that's everybody who was from like on MTV and VH one those channels. I watched all the time and listen to like kiss FM in California. So like, I know it just I just really was a fan of all music. And then I really appreciate all John RAs in all different types of art. Yeah. And I mean, John res-, you know, so squishy now. Right. And so you basically to rap stars and rock band created this amazing pop song genre sort of doesn't mean anything when it gets down to it. You know? Louis ballots, our producer on the track along with you and three others. Louise, obviously having like a crazy incredible run right now including a couple of weeks ago. He had four of the top six songs on the hot one sucker. And there was a house. Post Malone's also young but for five sauce and both Malone right Camilo? And I think a million things. But how did he get involved in the song originally, we were all recording this same studio at one time with me and low people were I soon LA, and that's where we recorded that like original at and he was there in studio seeing us do our, you know, like, I come together like meeting each other into a music, and then like after peop pass an umbrella, you know, we had the song back, and I asked him in like could, you know, like take a look at this. And you know, we've actually offering to help. And so it was like remember that time when we were here in the beginning. And this this is what we are working on. And you know at the time we didn't get to work together on it. And so then like afterward after peop past and we were getting down to like mixing and stuff. He was you know, there to help start. Mixing it and piecing it together and added production, and you know, it started like tickets took a new life in production. Then you know, he was in the room with you like you like you. Like you like like he was he was kind of always there in the periphery since he wasn't kind of in the same studio when you first started doing, and though he wasn't involved on the track at that point. It's a nice full circle moment that you're able to go back to Joe remember when we'd were doing this thing. Can you an I'm assuming like can you put some polish on it? Yeah. Maybe yes, definitely bell shine. Because there's a certain you know, there's a certain wash to the song when you hear it. And I don't know what Louis did on the track. There's you know, there's a lot of people involved that it like both versions the version of the original, quote unquote, original version that we believed to be original on YouTube versus this version. They're both very they're both both is what you're called inky. Katie. They're both very poppy. But you can tell that there's sort of a sheen on the new version is that kind of what Louis kind of helped with. Yeah. Put a little bit of cloth on it. Yeah. Lip gloss. Not really. And then, of course, spa boy got involved people's a follow eurovan of Holloway. What did they bring to the song? Definitely. Like. No, like professional vocals out say professional because you know, like me and little people very DIY artists out of the bedroom. And then like, you know, fall out boy in Patrick, you know, leasing they've always been like, you know, on radio, and, you know, do, you know, already been out a level of where we've been those like, you know, they really like like, they're almost like our big brothers and music, and then almost like supporting, you know, their younger sibling in music, and like, you know, helping the, you know, bring it. Yeah. Bring to a new level. Do you have you built like were you friends with like Pete, and Patrick and the rest of the guys in the band, or did you kind of meet them for this for this? We've had a relationship before working because two thousand fifteen they reach out to me to get on there. You did a remix. Yeah. He makes them on the album. So we've kind of always like been online relationship and stuff and then. Yeah. After this. We got to meet up in person and start, you know, working more closely together with this track from stuff. Do you like texting texting friends within an hour? You like. Yeah. Type who's like got an invite to the Super Bowl. But then those like no because I want I think the patriots to win. I think they would. But I was like no, I just want to stay at home. And like not you'd be able to be stressed out to be like in the village. Exactly. All right. All right. Well is the plan? You're talking about, you know, collaborating with people is the plan to drop a full collaborative album of those recordings. Yeah. This year. I think it was like, yeah. And do we know when that may be materializing sometime this year? We know how this works. Yeah. Relates to we don't actually. Yeah. We don't have really these date. Boo. I think we have like a season. So more of like the fall. Okay. You know, more than spring and summer right late, summer fall more. So is is the will you be doing because because of what you you kind of did with this particular song the way you got fall out boy on board and had Louis bell kind of sprinkle ferry dust on it, or whatever is are you going to be kind of doing that with the other tracks on the album, or is this one kind of a little bit different from the rest or be really kind of thought that far. Yeah. I don't know. I mean when we were. I making the songs as well. It was sort of like an roughs. And so when we wanted to get to this level of being able to put it out we would have got with. I guess you would have done. Yeah. They were all serve roughed him. Yeah. Jains? So we would have got with like real producers and like engineers and sat down, and like, you know, really cleaned it up and make it like, you know, release ready. Yeah. So I feel like I still have to do that with most tracks. But there are some that I wanted just leave as is. And like let the fans really here. Like, you know, what get the vibe like this definitely going to be out say like a there's a recording of us for about ten minutes. Whoever just in studio laugh in an I'm playing piano, and we're both like singing coming out what stuff. So I've won like put released Ivan there as well to give it to the fans understand. I guess how we were coming up with this music, and what it was like because it's still very mysterious. And it's like I can't really make a sort of a story without low peop- and explain his part as well. So you know, I know it's just like we're just trying to we're going to get ready for release. But I think hopefully, maybe we can do a special edition where everybody can listen to the demos. That adds. They were as is. Yeah. Both came from sort of like, a DIY bedroom sort of five, and so that makes sense to let the like raw music out there. Yeah. That's cool. You're you posted a picture on Instagram recently of you, and Rick Rubin is Rick Rubin involved in this project in some capacity. You just run into them on the street. We've been a f-. I would say friends for years now I've met Rick refused times. And we all are. Yeah. I'm. No people. Been friends for awhile, Michael, really, no. But he definitely loves my music respects, my music, and I respect his expertise in everything he's done. He's like a a musical wizard to me. So I've played him some of the stuff. But now when I see him it's usually just for like, I love maccagnan project, and you know, what I'm working on as a solo artist. What are you working on the solo artist right now? Two or three of your own albums that you were working on multiple projects have your own. Yeah. I'm working on. Yeah. Three projects of my own and trying to get them. In addition to the p. Yeah. And addition to the peop- mccown thing because the prints on us he was like dropping those. All right. Yeah. I mean, I haven't been able to not been able to. I haven't really dropped a project in full since about two thousand sixteen and so plans, we're kind of different mammalian little when little people's alive, we were kind of planning the album to come out for I guess, spring two thousand eighteen but then he ended up passing away that you know, like time and everything changes of it. So, you know, but I'm just trying to get back on schedule and try to, you know, release more music as olive mccown because that's what fans know me for as, you know, having a a massive amount of music. They know you as being prolif-. In the he wants they want more of us all the time. Basically. And you know, when you you started out your previously signed to Oviedo sound, and that was a deal through Warner Brothers are now. Now, you're just with Warner Brothers proper is that crack? Yeah. All right. So how is that going going fine? Yeah. It's just been a lot of changes at one brothers. Yeah. The nitty gritty when it gets the nitty. Keith does maccagnan's team history behind this questions about his thoughts on his record label changes in terms of one brothers moved from Burbank to downtown those changes, we mean? Yeah. Also this been executive changes over the years. Obviously win an artist signed with one team. And now there's a new team. Sometimes, you know, changed. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. So that's what I've just been dealing with. But I guess that's part of the music industry. And so you just have to deal with it. And keep it moving saw. That's what I've been doing your thing. Yeah. Focusing on the music and getting it out. So they're trying to put out more music from me solo Lee. So we're working on that as we speak to see what happens. What people can't see in this podcast that every time opponents says something about his record label he's smiling. So he's happy. So. Beyond you. I would imagine that a hot one hundred hit song and a pop songs airplay radio hurt as far as getting that music out helps that moments on. Yeah. Definitely. It's like, by the way, you see this. I have hit on the radio right now. Yeah. Let's make things happen. But as you mentioned the music industry is an interesting beast. It's awesome. You actually get an interview with the fater, and you specifically referred to it as being sort of cutthroat word. How do you? How do you manage? I mean, you're an artist you all you wanna do is get this music. But you need that support that music outright. Yeah. Does Molly you need like a proper team that understands the artists, and you know, you know, just like, you know, getting out what you're supposed to get out in not at filtering because you know, as an artist it's like, you're an artist. You don't really have a not I. Yeah. About things or you're not trying to be politically, correct. Their stuff at the time. And it's just like you should just focused on your creative part. And then when you creatively have your expression ready. You should release it rather than like being so out trying to tell everybody about your creativity, and what it should mean. And in because you end up getting misunderstood. And it's like if only my team could filter into say, these are things we need to show, and that's what we shouldn't show. So like, you know, you're going to be. You're going to pull beyond say on us Monday. And you're not doing any press. What's up? When you said that you're like, I have to talk about the on Mike, you're doing an interview. The thing that you probably at least wanna to do an interview about your music. I love talking about. The win when you set all and this is not on our sort of questions, but it made me think of. You know, how certain artists were just like I would like the music to speak for itself. But at the same time, you know, there's all these other considerations about like marketing and promotion, and like do we have too much music in the marketplace. Or what song do we take two radio or do? We do a visual for this or bubble like just so much stuff to worry about. And you know, if you're involved with all those decisions, it can be like overwhelming sometimes, especially when you have vision in your mind of where you want your music to go, and they may not always sync up with where maybe vision like everyone needs to kind of come together on one goal. But it seems like you're really, you know in a great position right now. Definitely would this song. Yeah. I I had a question. Yeah. You're like, wait. No. I'm wondering just because obviously keeping your close friends. It's like such a passion project to be able to put this joint album mount still, but it also must be tough for you to revisit all these recordings of friend. Who's who's not hearing longer? You know, how do you kind of balance the challenge of, you know, obviously, the responsibility of wanting to get this music out there, but also kind of the burden of having to dig through all this again. It's very tough. But like, I've, I don't know. I've I've it's not really like my first time dealing with the death of someone close with friend. So I've been able to like sort of, you know, this like, oh, I've went through these things before. So like, I've tried to take the strong points of what I went through last time and be able to apply them to this one. And then also having like the music is also very fun. And it brings good memories to me as well. And is like as I'm here. Now, if it feels good to almost like keep his memory going alive with the music that we created. And now it's on like, it's crazy at the level that it's at because it's like, this is what we sort of always dreamed up and would've wanted you know, what I'm saying like me. When we made the music, I was telling him all this stuff. Like, you know, we can be on radio and all these type of thing, and he was just smiling laughing. No, he was he was just like believing. If I just like, you know, like come on. We're we're we're. We're we're we're. Right now. But you know, it's just definitely happened. As like the dreams coming true of what of what we intended to do with it. Even though a lot of people that see it at the time. So you saw it does. Oh, I was saying boom. I was accentuating. You would you like to wrap up now? Thank you so much for coming in today. We really appreciate it all your time. Looking forward to some more music. Thank you. When you. Thanks so much. I love mccone in for taking the time to come by. And talk about I've been waiting and all of his upcoming projects. We can't wait to hear how everything turns out. And now it's time for the chart stat of the week. This week in nineteen Ninety-one Amy grant scored her second number one on the billboard hot one hundred with babe, babe. The track from her album heart in motion climbed two to one on the chart dated April twenty-seventh nineteen Ninety-one and spent two weeks atop the list grant, had previously reached number one in nineteen eighty seven with her too wet with Peterson Tara on the next time. I fall I could never have told you. One was out of just assume that maybe it was the first. Well, I I think most people think of that track is a patriots territory, but she's deaf. She's credited we're going to have to listen to it next time. I'll, but then I was heartened motion was my damn loopy. We you everyone checkout heart and motion the Galileo we're gonna we're going to insert just a moment of the next time. I fall right here. Okay. Okay. So see you. That's what I was trying to sing. I wasn't doing. All right. So some background on grant before Lauren dagel crossover from the Christian charts to the pop charts in the past year, or so there was Amy grant the superstar of Christian music, and inspirational music who notched multiple number ones on our Christian albums chart back in the nineteen eighties was embraced by the pop. Mainstream big time in nineteen Ninety-one with baby baby and the heart in motion album. Now, the set launched a total of five top twenty hits on the hot one hundred with four of those going top ten aside from baby baby. There was also every heartbeat. That's what love is for and good for me since the heart in motion era grant has visited the hot one hundred three more times. Most recently in one thousand nine hundred five however, she's continued to rack up number ones on the top Christian albums chart, and she even revisited her baby baby. Single in two thousand sixteen and a collaboration with Tori. Kelly and the track hit number. Eight on our hot Christian songs chart. So there you have it this week in nineteen Ninety-one. Amy grant's the babe boomed at number one on the hot one hundred charts. Maybe baby. Boom d-. Oh, man. I loved Amy grant. She was like right in sweet spot. When I was like what eleven ten years old or whatever was obsessed with that album. You you. Oh, yeah. Okay. I was just like you weren't eleven. I'm like, no you were. Oh what year? Did you say anyone? I was. Oh, I wasn't. You're right. I was nine. Yeah. I've never mind. But I definitely remember like listening to the Alamo remember talking about that album a lot with my friends when you were little you. Remember that? Yes. Oh, big time. Yeah. Yeah. We would like talk about it in school and how about our favorite song. There was a song called Galileo, which is my favorite song and the album, which wasn't even a single. It wasn't even single. But every heartbeat was my favorite thing. Every. Joe name loud and clear as saying claim. Yeah, we're probably going to listen to that too blue. And Marie Hoppy belongs to you. We're going to need to listen to that now. Yeah. Oh, so that's long. We should go out, obviously. Okay. So you guys next. I. I.

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ZOOMBIES 2 - Double Toasted Audio Review

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ZOOMBIES 2 - Double Toasted Audio Review

"You guys would probably with this on Friday man. Mar Ni-. We got together. We got together with you guys. We excited you on WWL. Dot Com and having the watch party with this We were very excited to watch the asylum classic Zoom B.'s. Welcome! To your first day of your zoology college internship at the Eden Wildlife, zoo wreck semi to check an alarm at the Vet Clinic. Anything I should be concerned about. His. Own. Anything except for. The very poor. Monkeys muggy faded like a black woman in Church oh Jesus. People! zombies man we wait to is zoom. Security? Is Anyone there on the? For touch a full of people. Around. Your bus and no evidence. For the MONKEES. Those birds and it. He was the bird. Was the woman either way? fucked up then it's one on. That's to a man. We started watching the movie. We will let you know what. In a gut their thing. We've seen in that trailer of you. Watching man. When muggy would've going fake? When the when the Bargo go to. We we. Yeah you. Well the! Man! Waiting. Thing! Essay. I know asylum people all the time, but got down. Makeup whole trailer that loud. And then we realize about Dhabi down like five minutes movie like Oh. Fuck watching zoom bees to. We will watching the sequel. And the so we started watching this and you know I said it. Tim Doesn't March we in. which is to fill in the blanks? Sure which is had to like, make up the story as we go along because I for one I was I was drunk of my as I was drunk. Homemade Margaritas. In. Shouldn't have been drinking and it was not easy to tell what was going on the way to start. It was dark is ill and could not tell what a great point control. What the hell was going on, so I just said will march. We hear. More like hey, miss, a plan. Rally was Shit We. Have a role. That is gonNA. Roll Man. Rule. Forget divider. We gotta go. The. Most some bad towels in the car. Hello Fellow, racist, white people who? Just grabbing ourselves some lunch. yeah man. This is A. It's as bad as deceptive as any other asylum movie out there and they put on the box. Shit that have nothing to do with the movie at all got. Frankenstein looking creature. Know that that that creates the right here in the threads night. Even like this like not even the threat is in the movie. There's no creature that looks like this. You thought you about to watch a movie with a with a Frankenstein hippo have lion creature. You should know because you look at that and go like battles cool. Yeah, also. It looks expenses, yes. That's how you know is not in the asylum out. No Hell, no! But. The thing is man with this. This is one of the few times you say this with the with the silent movies. It worked out for the best. because. Yes, it did yeah, as far no, always now. It always works for asylum. They GonNa get the money. It always works out with the best for them, but as far as you're you, your grandma will give you some shit. A Yoda Masol rents. Them should've by something, and it'll be not what you expect it at all. And this was not what we expected however look on the bright side of things. Turns out, beds zoom bees to. Is A prequel to zombies once so we're still good. Yeah, yeah! And this one. What was cool about? Is that you? You get to learn the origin of the virus that turns these animals into zombies. Turns out. There was some poachers who go into this. Preserve this preserved because. Of all the places poachers can go go to animal. Zoo. ES Poachers to zoo they go to Zuhdi gases like you know I guess it's easy place to go the animals all right there but. Say I kill my own chickens. History style. At the. But the poachers go there, and it turns out that. They're the ones because of some brought to you by the little certain thing that they did that. They didn't even know that they were doing. Unseen Element, it got in there and whole thing the whole system for taking animals from these. Zoos creating zombies. A! Turns out that they had a big hand in it and. It spread and led to another movie, but we'll go. We'll go ahead and watch the trailer. A disease spread like a disease that it is. A disease known as the asylum studios. misnamed thing anything because I was drunk at the time like I said anything I mean I guess that's it Kinda never cotton. Was! Like they wanted to capture some animals in. Okay so. Because I was because I. Wouldn't like shit face, but I was. Out there, so I wasn't really taking notes and details, and in in keeping track of things, not that it really matters related, but people review it. Give it the attention. It deserves as far as you know being a critical I win. Wash it again. Okay, okay. Because the sound was kind of low. At least their sound quality so hard. But. You believe it or not it again, and you never say this with asylum, but I picked up more subtleties. Missed before a lot more okay. They're not good picks up a lot more subtlety, interesting nuance. The fact that he's watching a movie. Picked up some new new answers up in here, folks, let's go ahead and take a look. How was zoomed these created how they start eating people, and now the monkeys come about well. You find out all this in more thanks to the Prequel zoom bees to let's take a look at the trailer and we'll be back with our review. Gentlemen. Gone for the big game sell stick close to the western edge. What did you shoot her up with a magic potion? Long. Does she look like? I didn't know they could do that. PORKY! The animals are good crazy. Counteracted it's changing the dumb as loud, but my man put his heart into. You know I gotta give it to him. I would tell you this man. He's actors. They did they did their job. They did the best that they could. A fucking movie called Zoom. Run I got. Like half of CARE AND HAVE A. Have somebody so he. Didn't give the extra three quarters. You know what I mean yeah. Like grab somebody about the thrones. Let's go you. Know Man This is urgent. Let's go. Scream on. Oh Hell. No. Oh Hell. Yes. Supposedly Yes. Cooling to the Boob they write. That blaze, glory. Rash don't. Don't even bother the fuck. Even show, but you know we'll get. Your. Similar! So. So I'll tell you the good thing about most most. Alone but the good thing about a most asylum movies. Ones. I've seen. Is that this short? Yes, so? You know. A say whatever where we're going. We gotta get to the good stuff quick. And they do they, don't. They don't waste no time with this. Silent. They get to where they have to go. Real quick is usually stupid. Dumb as hell. Yeah, we're trying to get to is dumb as fuck but. They. We thought Tom can stupid. As a lot of people who who there for that the stupidity I know I know He. Ways no time being done. One, poacher right here. The girl right here is turns out. She's A. She's A. She's a chemistry craven. And then reminded. Her. PIMP. This! Kid. Animals, but have. They waste no time getting dumb girl. Right here is chemistry Whiz. Yeah. She made her own tranquilizer formula that that accidentally. That's that is the thing that turn these animals right here. Into zombies, of course they get. I mean I don't know if it goes fast enough I. Guess the explanation for the the formless sound smart. Terrazas the animal from within. The county dark chip penetrate skin without damaging. Don't make no fucking. Sense A. Why are you doing this reserve? So tranquilizer DART. Normal he said. They said they a puts a chip and Saddam and doesn't penetrate in the moment you shoot the Dr. it penetrates the skin. I guess talking about from guns or something. Because they got a hard on against. US preserve they really do. You know what I'll tell you why. Things go wrong. When they run into when they run the team Mon over here tomorrow. Run into this fake as Lemur right here in. Talking Shit. Me Again. They start running this mere cat. Right here and this cat. Is. Starts Talking Shit to them right now. The the neighbor that you wake up in the middle of the night. He's like that maybe the way which. Knows? I'm not call the police now. y'All get on Outta here. Dominating. People. On. This me a kid in a foreign language to a hard time believing this Amir. Do Sound. Sound like crow. Coal to the. Like. The MIC and actually said coach. He's got bronchitis head. What's Your Cat's Mongoose? Goo Sound. Poobah, which is you need to keep you as the house? They. Nobody got have. Look, I hate to be on the side of the coaches. I really do, but he should've kept. The fuck up. He's trying to protect his terracotta talking on Shit. Like he's he's like that. Maybe that comes out. People are Sheila. Whoever does people doing wrong? Outdoor, out head, and that's when the robbers doesn't like. Go back to bed. My your Goddamn business. And I'm not defending the poachers, but he she should stay there little lesson the house, 'cause. They pop this as quick quick. I tell you though the Nice thing about it. The Nice thing about it about when they shot him. Looking at this. Nice thing about it when they shot him. Look, it ain't cool. They shot him, but at least they shot him with the Good Shit. If you look at go down. That was going. Man I said I was going to give this shit. Put You. Should be calling. This shit is so good I'm not look I'll be nasty. Shit is so good, gave my heart. Take hanging out. That is funny that they went to the trouble of animated the Dick. They stay at a correct. I mean my man got a hard old look at them. I ain't trying to be nasty, but look at this shit man. Oh. Yes, the good stuff! Look Look, because because Mir cats got like like dog penises. And I should've stick it out. Hard as a mother looking. Laying once you coming over here, Girl. Blue Magic. Taco bell was the concoction of my own actually pinterest escape with micro say number BAGRA. Feel assuming. He'd be again. I'm hitting me up at the fuck. Oh, you're! The Hood. ZOMBIES horny analysts. Trying to fuck everybody. WanNa Party got one. Actually Kinda does with the theme of everything else. We'll just trying to fuck people. So you should have brought this haunting this up in about to get fucked. Rub It as. Little Peterson's making all. Come on. Silo put in that much work into the animation ever. Made home movies. Our have movies that they didn't put much work into they did this Pena's rated. You Lay. Girl. Get that good. He's window shopping in Boston. About his chest and we'RE GONNA, get A little nibbles again, but. Good part of that it feels good is l.. Bad part is is that turns them into zombies killing zombies? Book with. Nine nine not not even on the same plane. So. No Not Bad. Shot! At Gut book. Look at it is. You know the. Because looking at this these lemur taxman. No I'm sorry. These mere cat attacks right here. First of all. He started taking real hard man like Get the taste for the flesh. They, don't they? Don't waste no time they start eating. Start Tearing people. As looks terrible. Start digging into people though and got the scene right here. There's one seen it looks Kinda cool. One of them session about against mcnuggets man he comes do basis dues fingers off now. Maybe I was drunk, but I was like you know what silent put some working then. Who would. Word, out. To My. Christian rock yeah. Christopher Cross looking to ask. What what's the name? Danger, zone. Can Log and looking at. Hey hey down here. By the way. Yeah. That's. Right now. Get out too quick. I've bit my finger you. Wonder so. People look at this. And it gets worse is what I want to show you at first I thought the cool when it was fighting. This thing is up then I went back and watched us today. I was drunk. Notice why he came up and I thought he had. And it was gushing. This fool just put his Spang his Dan. He's account. Look if you learn how to count right now. On through threes Dan, Ackroyd, looking at. Them down it'll look fine. They didn't even try to catch up on the. Look at this shit I know. Osama no, you ain't got no money, but God dan. You could at least puts. You could like sharp. The shit read or something. God Damn. It's such a rip off address at par to. pull the. OPTIMA down right down to him listen. While, somebody else getting killed, but this whole thing. Yes those whole thing is a riff on Jurassic Park sure, but I mean but right down to the headphone. Damn I don't give off. No. Not at all they. All that folks. Like I. Say that that you start seeing with with cutting corners man like my man. Putting spangles down, it's like it cuts Komo. y'All we. We. We just got into the movie. Young Dot net put on a show for like five minutes before you all start looking cheap, because after a while, they said well. You saw me a cat attack. Now we don't have to show you know more. Because after this point they start working with sounds and they just start. 'cause you saw the thing is. The thing is because When when? When you see people Do Shit like this. We put their fingers down. It looks bad man. You know well When you see them. Dig into. People's bodies and shit like the doing right here. You? said that stars to. I mean it looks it looks horrible, but at least they're trying to show you something. It gets to a point where they don't even fuck they don't they? Don't give a shit about showing you anything. They got a point where they just The dues just start taking the camera when and sound effects. On Penny survey. Of A shot or anything he just puts his. Jacket over it makes them. constipated. Yeah, you know you was bad. He did a slow. Do A fast. How these animals so fast before, and now this one is like. In Bob and if you notice. If you notice like the mere cat when a guy does, the market is tall as he is. The, mic Ed is six feet tall all of a sudden. He's walking. Also your coat, sir. You know. Thank you. Oh you know. From there. They. Don't even try anymore. They move straight into stop footage. Like. Okay wait a minute young girl. The preserve, we wish. that. Lloyd's man. Look like them film if you're. If y'all watching real animals then this is not the same fucking no. Got CG. Creature moving like this then it ain't the there's. Not! On the same people who shot even the ratio is different. Yeah. Near, the stock footage is different than can say. This is not the same Phil Yeah. They. They couldn't afford to put catch up on. A man's blood is stump. They can't afford no goddamn lying. For No giraffe now and and furthermore. Can Afford the tickets go. That serves no. Shot through the fence, yeah! and. The thing is you can't come from some stirs. Shitty CGI cats and best special effects how quality cinematography like this. You can't. Cut Right to. The national. They do it. They do it yet. Silence, we can't. That's one of the things that we did. Buy some stock footage. We bought. We can do whatever the hell we want to lead. You. These people don't collect all these animals up in here. They even not even to preserve. They went online and I. don't even think they pay food. Downloaded the they found out where to get and then the found piracy code and cut the narrow public domain. Stock footage. Nature preserves the Gazelle walks. We'll get that. The narrator. Can Go from this shit like Shawna's. Chelsea this it. We went from a fake as mere kid. Digging somebody by. Even convincingly to a real as lion, you can't do shit right. Now then. That's just insulting. Cut to commercial. Shooting moving commercial right. And you could at least put some Google's. Shit to try to make it fit. For thirty six hundred would. Miss the US offense to. I tell you silom. Then got time to play. They move fast. They'd get right into it, so they they they move so fast. They don't have time for things like plot details. Go Story. Come on needs that. It is it is? It is never explained how this virus is. Spread is never explain how. How is this this? This this this this year. Cat Spreads the virus to a rhino. They, don't they? They never take the time. To explain that to you at all. You realize its own. You know it. You know it sounds like it might be a plot detail that matters. But it really doesn't matter because you have to watch them what they do right here. You realize that whatever acid they're gonNA give you STU. There's so many different things. Casino. High! I'M GONNA, go up. and. kind of talks. As? Wash you see some shit like this. You realize any answer. They give you anything and going to be any less stupid from. People. They don't give a shit about their green screen. This man don't. You could tell this obviously. This man is on a stool. Yeah. He's only maybe a foot and a half. Horn, so there's no way is going to impair like that right? No rolled off of the couldn't even show a habit. They've never saw any of the big desk. You hear a scream in the you already there. Yeah, you don't ever see the cool part. You don't get to see the impaling. Buddy enter. The AARDVARK was only. Remember the aardvark. Oh, dude aardvark was the was one of the best pockets. aardvark was was eating out somebody the same way that Lebron was. Oh, remember that all. was. Yeah, I'll have to look for then. I have to look for that mango on I. Remember that until y'All's was blogging in the middle of this. Advert! The same way call on top of somebody was just eating out there chest. Man. This is. Still Look at. I give them a man he was. You know he was trying his best to work that stool you see. God The pay. God it hurts so bad. Guy Leading the student. For Two teams holding up. Teams to now crazy. Bounce on that stupid. They had a stool and is it. Good. You got me. To get at least they get creative with that green screen should. Look better. It's bad. You see his foot. Because Stationary is oh, yeah, but that's not even the. Oh okay. down. At this point. You start saying you know this early in the morning. This is early there. We about fifteen minutes, and you start thinking. You know what maybe everything should have been set at night. When you start putting, I mean at least I'll have that at night. Look bad, but you had darkness to cover up some of this. Kind Kinda. Cool. 'cause you can lean back on I can't really see should not make things scary anyway, but when they start putting shit in broad daylight, it just looks terrible now. That right there that right. Oh, stabbing him and lease, they tried. At least they put some effort into that but in. Late on the move, and they start doing things in broad daylight. You see how much they just don't care. How much they are not afraid. They might as well just put a shine a spotlight on that cheapness. Broad daylight and got a man supposed to be dead on the ground. would his intestines hanging out. In broad daylight, you can clearly see those intestines. It's literally a rubber host. A balloon. That was wild. Bird that shit is like a balloon and that's the guy that had the mic dig into notice that the the whole. Turkey big. Sausage. It's butcher paper that's been rolled up. Yeah, look at look at this. It looks worse when you move doesn't catch. You have any doubt. It's mandatory. Liquid. Over on the on the crafts services table somewhere I mean you're. Square a little ketchup on his chest to. Limit the pay to get their clothes dry cleaned and. That is true. That is true. I mean they could've wet him up for this is the ultimate, not giving a fuck and the thing is though working with better cameras, so you can see how much more faked the cities? And yet simple somebody chess, a simple catch up in water. High school students for the High School. Students do for their project Sir. Bassolino lenses. What happens? They don't show you. The whole is gone where the Mir can't win to the man's body, but. By, some kind of way, he got up in there. Have Two more minutes. I guess I. Guess He went through, is there? Go, but he. But. He was in there though he was in there. fucking. A bloody untested Oh yeah. When, they can make a CG. Put that shit in later, but the reason why you, the reasons why you got the intestines there right now is because the camera doesn't have to move. Right foot for for what they did as photoshop dim yet, but what they did over here. There would have to do like motion tracking doing all this shit. You know what? Probably started with them, saying this is the shot you guys will come in with CG Mukta intestines look good, put a hole in his chest, and then when it came down to it, it was we can't do that or that's GonNa require another two days, and you're like you'll have another two days. I'm going to go with a third answer. We don't give a shit. Let's just. Let's just do it. Put that rubber hose down there or you said all that stuff. And then he walked Wednesday. Yeah. Doing that yeah, l. now. Who the fuck is director. Yes fucking. He's new. Can you believe that the director? Thank you calling the shots around here. Put that whole. Should. gaskets sweet met to look like. A! Man, that's for my big thing is back. Except For, my state big. Catch wasted on this full reiter. We, try to. We try to eat this. The cheapest! Silence. Square. Yeah Man. Did Not give a fuck I gotta tell you it's. The dumbest bucks terrible is all green, but it got me some things. You just don't expect the way he's like. was like. Why would i. Expect to pop up a man's mouth anyway I mean you don't usually. You only got about the surprises stupidity. You didn't really earned it with a real scared just like why the hell with this happened. Okay okay. You got me, but with a why. Bother fucking about playing. Whack a mole with come out of a man's mouth I. Okay all right. Hey! That's why you WANNA play. It works. Jump on them. No, no, no, no! He does he walks away. I'm not even an work here is done. You don't even have an especially Jesus. He just like wow, that's crazy. Oh, you know he does. He knocks out nothing. Let me say actually. Let me, see. They, save that budget here. Let me let me I'm glad I got this because you remember, we've told you that we don't. that. We don't get to see the actual kills. Them so when. You would think that when the you see that went to Moan pops out his mouth. You think that she will. See You I'll show you I'll show you. Oh here it is. You would think that. This will get the nice bloody kill. Na. Na Na this. You see here now. This fool starts the. Stars taken out sound to fix. Anything, no, it's. Notice this no notice. Oh. No Blood No. You couldn't hear somebody well. We can't use ketchup affects. That's not happened. Yeah! I'm sorry, what am I? thinking. Knows what happened there? There's this action and this other people reacting. Get a lot of that. Yeah, exactly. But the actor wasn't even binding when he did it. Know they they tell you what the? Council. They I'll tell you they they They use those though the those sound effects creatively. Hey, they milked the hell out on sound effects, creatively or chiefly civil or or. Use! In place of other things, okay, yeah, so not sparing. Bego. When you when you see this. Discriminative when you sit when you see a pop out of a man's mouth. God. Skating like he's like. You know this. This is stupid. That makes no sense. He's Australian. He's used to see. I've seen I've seen worse might. Say Oh no! What you said, but it looks like he's just kind of like. We don't have the budget. Made this cool? No I. Don't even WanNa. Make a face, right. Look badly. About the actor, yeah, when you see. When. You see a pop out of a man's mouth, you start. Thinking was shitty the baddest motherfucker in the movie. They run things around here. That Ronald got nothing. Anybody can just stab somebody, but you can't crawl Bisa. Do they just come out of his mouth? With crawled through was asked to come out of his mouth. Anybody can do that. You Start Thinking Oh shit. They rotate the new movies. He's. Smarter you start thinking. They run a things around here. Nope, no that that title belongs to the Porcupine Oh the coupons man the porcupines. First of all the porcupines opposition to be the baddest motherfucker in his movie. At first, you don't think so because just like everything else. They don't show you. I gotTA save that budget. The first enough presented very scary because what they got as a some do chicken wires in front of the Camera Lens. Real because. They do show you the porcupines. Yeah, they do just the worst walk cycles. You could imagine. Yes, things they lied. They slide looked like we don't like. Thing to do just were working wires wires in front of a camera. But. You know like a bad part you say, go ahead. Keep Talking Shit Oh you think. Do you think this is funny? You can think is so funny. We started blue quills onto your face. Jesus just stupid. She's like playboy. Take the. Breathe harder. We gotTA. Keep the interested in here. Oh! Yeah I did. Yeah. I did this. I. Don't space I run. Sit around here. You know. The movie was also funded by Pixar. Picks off exhausted. Works. Are. Pixel would do something. Good picks picks put texture. Picks Adamy say they would just ask. Going renders as. Big, Shiny Shiny as Polka. PA POKER POT is proud to. Look at look at me, not glory. Chris witness me. They Muslim put sonic the hedgehog with a knife and his real. That's. Just lied to he is. He's sledding. We'll make no mistake. They are. They are the the bad asses of the film because their position to be the last raptors. This is what I did not see my first time wrestling. Held miss this right here. I know y'all with trying to rip. Jurassic Park but. I mean. They have a loss of raptors. We got porcupines. What's the difference in Peru People's people? They they took the most vicious creatures in Jurassic Park. A rip them off right down. To wear on their cheap as to as close as they could get. To even like trying to copy scenes to a T. Look how look at how these porcupines community put a swear. Somebody told his piling getting no y'all, but lost the raptors knack like one. Looking to loose shuffling. Now Look at this, you've! See Jurassic Park sitting here now. You just nitpicking court, pay attention. Keep watching. Her. Opening doors. Start, hunting and you the directions ooh, people. They took. The most vicious. Scary is the most impressive creatures interesting arresting Park every place would a puck for to porcupine occupies two little slide and ask for you. Really to stay locked in. After. Hoping that. Door Look. At them during doing a little port yourself. At this. Cute. This, we're gotta get you. People. They ripped that they they came in. Just like the velociraptor didn't kitchen scene in. Jurassic Park communicating with each other and communicate the even they even ripped it off to the plateau. How did I miss this I must have been drug got emma the ripped off to the point where they? The kitchen for the kids hide under the the the the kitchenware. On, the table, they have seen here where the adults hide under the desk, just like that. The porgy business. Of course horse. Find His. Casio watches. Pitch and you know what it's funny because I, said pork envision even the name. The clip you and I have great. Mazda yeah. May lending the clip pork because they. They They. The chick data parking visit. Because they can't afford to do. They can't afford to sit there low. With the got the. Got Damage. And it's GonNa. Be Gone Yeah they couldn't afford. Scramble out of the. Can. Claim boom couldn't they couldn't afford to take the time to show her coming out from under the table. Everything right but I mean like even with that like. In the dress apart, we'll member. Reflection how they tricked the Veloce, and then you see the kid crawl out. This she can barely fit. Desk. CLUMSY ASK! Oh Yeah on the room in asylums that yeah, we ain't doing all. Goes. We don't have to know. You know go go ahead and make the most of what we guy right here. They say hey, listen we. We know ripping everything off from drastic park, but hey. y'All WanNa compare Spielberg Spielberg. Ever do this to one of the velociraptor. Done. We're going look shady. The she's still pork. Disappear, Visseren, a bunch of. A. Pile of needle. A Bad Mama. That was to to porcupines. One was the. Your pokes now motherfucking right? Aw. Geez. y'All. A little hand held shocker. They they didn't have enough have animated shocking on the ground. Let's go, have this shit exploded and blood, and as it is gone, go, that's all you need to worry about don't. Mama! Cool waters run team. How fortunate that the quills didn't explode out. Right Yeah stabbed her. Not, even they even go that way. State. They're like a cartoon. Chad is coming up with some things. cavs Merlot, says pine for this flow. Better than you, a bad mom, Shit uelmen! TUMBLR POOPING GONNA stick it to you I was actually. Meanwhile back in the lab close. We learn how bad the virus is because when you look at the virus under a microscope. You can actually you could actually hear it mutating. which we can do. Now, that I've successfully. Delivers the toxin. University that quickly. That sounds way too easy. Right. She's a bitch asylum movies. Like. Did that correctly? We're fucked. Here, you are and I'll be honest with you in the jungle. Baby, literally you are. The India asylum jungle doesn't makes it makes no fucking sense sense, common sense and logic. Brilliant biochemist and a gang member young. She's a Whiz. But. She's looking like this big city descript. Used to take you in a real movie. Okay, we're almost done Jesus. You think this really is a Jurassic Park film all, right. You're so cute. That's funny. You can be trouble. Deal was actually having some goofy fun with this film. I was actually like. I usually do with the most asylum movies, but. then. They had to bring his brother in Oh no, no lice game, brother, who was actually. Who started good man? We actually who who started. The movies with some dignity. Okay yeah the. But okay more dignity than he came in with I mean more to. He left the movie with Katie boy I know. The Katie people putting out the Hash Tag Justice Four K. D. this brother. Start up quiet talking like he has some since talking kind of logic for silly ass, moving like this, trying to impress his trying to impress his boss open, it gets up started out soft spoken as I said he has. He had a little bit of pride man. And But once once the shit hit the fan he's. He started getting scared. Becoming. started come to black. Or Kuni all the yellow. Only. That was going. To what you? All know. Brother started, Dale started quiet. dignified. First time the minimal start busting loose. Scared black stereotype came out. We, stay on. New quietly. No. Not Going on. Not The goal to be happening because if you go just woke up I A- planes I was supposed to get on the the. cries. I I saw. Lying Line improvised. Give me something. I just whooped. Jones. He's looking at him like Jesus Christ. Really In this day and age, you're GonNa do this himself. Respect my friend. He's like I'm on I'm on your side. Fuck? This is like this is just embarrassing. They kept that in the script homeboy. Yeah down to the details. Offer page. It's my man. I was black. I wouldn't let them do me like this. Why not so well you people really will take anything once you. Wonder you're not moorhead Jesus. I'm in an asylum. Move and I'm saying this God damn. I. Tell You what my man they let them get. They! Don't let them go that easily. Losing his his his his his self respect he they. They came look crumbs air now. Got One punch in full was all done. I'M GONNA. Tell me what to do. For you, we wouldn't even. Looking okay, now you coming around, yeah! He's got the crazy. COONASS! Shit and get yourself together. Long? Kidney. Nightmare acting a fool anyway, no, okay you gotTa, you got one Sucker Punch in which Guy Kinda sorta felt right. Couldn't let him. That, That's self respect goes away. Respect goes away real quick I'm talking about auto minutes minutes later. Shit goes away. As well. The wet spot in his crotch. Yeah Yeah. They didn't I thought the reason why. I didn't continue. Say something that I thought I had the scene because there's a scene right after they're both looking at him, I guess it got cut short. The bolt the bolt turnaround looking like okay. Cut The bullshit now. This is just embarrassing. It's so embarrassing that they aren't call him out on it. It's almost like the too embarrassed even out right. I. Mean Bitch stereotype he's. Cool cool. The. First Up Sima. A stereotype actually upstage a snake giants. The snake was in his brother was screaming. So loud. Learn even. Like Jesus, man, it's. Just minutes ago, you a punch. Your Beige, as and now you bitch! A real bitch looking like an buydell Tyler Perry right now. Fuck me wild. He and I mean. Whatever self respect he lost before like I, say. He doubled down on that ship. It is funny. They keep his name tag on. Yes. Because his name is bitch and they got constantly. Remind me what he is. Just emasculate the brother. Always somebody discount drake rating. Alpha. Is another discount Chris Brown writing yeah people. Don't do this, do they? Don't do this dude, right man, and they and they say you know what if you ain't gonNA. Have No self respect for you. If you're not gonNA, have some self You'RE NOT GONNA. Have respect for yourself the issuing. Get it from us. You want act like the busy. All the way. You say you know what you want to sit up here and act like Bishop home movie. We're going to take you out bitch. found. Oldest. They put it in a shares. They didn't even give him the dignity. You let him on the ground like he was actually inflatable, a better put him in a fucking chair. He's sitting down. He's he's got. His. Own? People he did. Thank you. Jesus Christ strain. That's another trip though. The dude at least got a cool green screen effect the right all. Right Oh God at least got a cool chair to look Kinda Kinda like he's actually stabbed by something. That couldn't even make his brother like he was realistically air. Bid An air. Don't cost nothing really man all you gotTa do is. Get this shit. Within. The. Know. How fine the air he got. Oh, you think it's fine on the way up. Way Down. Black, stereotype delicious. I love it and I. Want to see something if you haven't seen this clip before, you mean even playing the full, but if you haven't seen this clip. Man They know the rigging on the on the character to model, because there was some CG legs than winning near. The Reagan is so bad that my man. He look. He he he grew an extra ass cheek. So bad look look at the feet then it's like minded guy. Ain't no detail on the. Just Been Dis. Cartoon. Yeah. Yeah people. Eight even give them. They meant and don't tell me that. You can't get nobody a cool death in this movie because of the budget because they had at least a couple of them in there. I mean the the the MIC pop out the guy's mouth. That's kind of cool, but it looked kinda cheap, but at least they have one death in here. Where is moving? And it was glorious. At least my man had the dignity of. Of of of having a nice bloody death. It wasn't goofy. Shit when those rhinos you mean that, do not give a fuck about it all. The man Oh yes. Right Man Australian Captain America right here. They captured Australia ready. He took off so fast that he knocked one. The good guys off the back of his jeep. FUCKING! He's just a minor character anyway, but my man got a glorious diff- nice death. Ah. Yes well. He's like about us we'll kill. Got Down. At least I mean look stupid, but at least they gave him a nice death, instead of not some goofy shit like following well, not screaming. See Him hold onto the chair when he threw up his hands through. The chair like I mean at gets a cheap, but it looks kinda convincing that he was run over by rhinos. Right over one gets. All the movie people get stampeded over. You never see the the smear the. They gave it to you. Yep, exactly, that's all you. I mean people getting married cast popping out the mouse? They get a stumped on by rhinos. And what does this do get? I! Doesn't give us. He gives hungry, Hungry Hippos, man, and also the other guy that give now. They don't give a fuck they. Screaming. He punched in the face. He wouldn't help him. He was yeah, he then he was tracked down. So you know. I'm not racist mate, but you know he had to go. Plus you gotTa admit that Shit Look Funny? About this L. Care about his black. His light black kids. that. Was You with me and we were out there and we watched that having somebody who wins stopped screaming. We'd be. Awesome. Yeah. Kate you know Martin? I I love Mar. We'd be solemn about it, but then. We'd look at each other and she'd be. If we live. We'd be at the bar talking about man. That was real. Yeah, he had to go. Martin Israel you got to go. One way or another? He was and I guess. He decided to spend his few minutes Colin tension to himself. And saying. Hey, you know what I want to own these scenes. Make a memorable. But they set this up with this. They got these news up here. Got These got these dues up here. You know looking like true heroes and got him and got like I said back at the Buzzer guys got him in the. Back of the bus goes got made sure that he was in the bag, so he knew his place looking got these two heroes up. Here got his Gupta as beggar. Both of them look with tax along with name text on both them. HORR- book. Meanwhile Goddamn. Tonight the Apollo's in the back. McKee works at office depot. The coup expertise on his. Brother in some Khakis and a a name tag. Selling, you actually pay best buy a corporate retreat. Exactly we'RE GONNA staple. You went to the wrong one because both men looking like. When like the heroes out of call of duty assumption. Meanwhile he he's the one that looks like he works at game. Stop. Got! Pulled into the game. He got to molested. While people? Yeah, man. And the thing is. They try they slyly trying to make our. They know they did this brother on. They try to make up by my Making the black girl I knew knew it. They go and they try to make it up with her because. She's smart, but even yes, she's smart. Yeah, but even even that has a drawback right the. Blow every chance. She had upper nose or veins. In an addict in a wizened chemistry is a bad combination. In, this asylum doesn't do drum. Is Her stupid? Herself, so she just can't have clean past no. You got to be. She got to be, smart. You gotTA. Get Clean. You know she got. At. Explain that teardrop some did they know and all the swimming that was it. Yeah! I still don't get why she. Drugged these animals. Yeah well, apparently, the thing is, is that her her tranquilizer serum that she says. It's a concoction of my own making. She didn't know that shit was so crazy 'cause it's supposed to tranquilize animals and knock him out, but they found out very quickly that it drives them. Crazy turns them into zoom. B.'s we'll her whole thing like her. Antagon- she so antagonistic against the doctor like there's a lot of people out there like me. Yeah, we! We start a revolution. You're going to see you know about us. I. Think the whole thing she's saying is look. I deserve to poach animals because I'm from the streets. I had it hard and I'm trying to be somebody now. Hey at least I ain't slinging drugs I'm just hoping animals. Or approaches. was following her. She was the leader. Yeah, no, she knows she was. She wasn't the dude okay, so he was all come up to her. Like Hey, what about US later? And she's like eight. You don't get over there. You do this all you may be right. especially at that one. Velma looking girl was following behind her I. don't even know what happened to her. I don't even know. What she gets, she got picked off. One even knows remembers that she got taken off those like. You look at this and they try to have dramatic moments is like you know what. Just go back to those Shitty CG. Animals. We don't do that, we don't we don't this is. This is why you don't do Romances of dramas. Anything is way. Everything's got Shitty CG. Because of this because Kaine, nobody right a plot. Let's say. Not even four like thirty seconds. You can't even write a convincing thirty seconds dialogue if somebody like backstory. And it doesn't matter anyway because. They just feed asked to the gator. I can say. Where are you going? To make it. A little slower. Silly! I got got. So dumb. Could save all of us. Yeah kept it. Australia's like. Just let it go. Yeah, yeah, you know. All these people are done. Her cousin have y'all forget that she did the bad guys. Anyway. You know alligators. Bring a stupid as. Some High School Princeton. Dinner. Put out like this I know what I'M GONNA! Do My life. Oh Yeah, tribute! Fellow Tories cool. Right. Yeah! was there. Delegated the. Album toilet. Toilet. Secret trump pastor he. Apparently, we saw that worked up for. And the makes you spin the wall full effect. Would issue legs abuse. And I'm so. Alligator, Anaconda. Rights. Mutate it. Kind of. conned physics for everything. Yeah, everything, swallow home. In the allegation rocking explained. The alligators like crushing her so hard. That is pushing the blood up to. That quickly. Job To get out. Go. Why you guys even bothering me, you just let the thing get full. Yeah, exactly you just wasting the good fire extinguisher. You might need that list. was like listen I know she's dead, but I gotta try to look good in front of my woman. I gotTA. Make it look like. You know. Big Enough gators man you know they this whole thing going back to a broad daylight. Gets to a point where we can see. With certain animals now like. In being in broad daylight, and just not caring about what kind of physics will work in this at all interacting with with real environments they don't care. They put this alligator in broad daylight before take chicken by the way it's a different size at that point, somehow when it was offscreen, mutated about five more scientists larger, but they put this alligator out here in broad daylight in didn't even try to make us feel like it's in the same spot. Allah. Two. Weeks. Right. Bad. NARY A shadow, yeah! It's live. It's a hint of a shadow Jesus sedate. Even try. They try to put a convincing people. It's the shadow is a blurry doc spot. How fucking hard would it be the put convincing shadow on there? They said all the good shadows costumers. Yeah, exactly we. We could afford him budget for shadows. We took the only shot before right here. that. The deck is going this way. The allegation going that way I mean it don't. Little that's. Already. In here anyway. WE'RE GONNA burn. One weekend. Before, they come back. Is already. Forty five hundred Friday. Moving well that. I'm I'm going to get technical like lives. No, there's no fed edges on the on the alligators. You know it's all hard edges rights. sligh's lied and kept walking. In the water, like it would just walk in on top of the war on edge, right this. Not even. Think about. Jesus elegant Oh. Walk in order. But at least you see a gator. After a while you start reading debris. Original accent. You saw. Yeah, thank you. You saw something. You saw something that represented a gator got it. You saw something that looked like a nomad. Was it was there was a gator there? It was a gator. You start to appreciate those moments when you even see the worst special effects, it gets to a point where they just say fuck it. You know what? When people started running for something, the danger is going to be once again. Just sound to fix. People run from sales. They can show you the animals, but you can hear him off screen. Yes. You. Can't get through. I thought I really believe that that was going to see like an animal. And, also, you really WANNA go Nah. Big Drop. A good gator. Camera Right. Talk show the animal. So, people don't run list of being pushed tactics. Someone who? Of course money like don't. Ask You the same thing. To everybody, go stop tapping. That's why you did now. And I'm like GonNa Complain Complain Complain Sound like I'm complaining about not seeing animals, but you know at some point. It. Just gets to gets to a certain area where it's like you know what made. The sound effects were good idea. 'CAUSE y'all just gave up on animals this entire movie. Yeah, but why, but when they tell you why? You wish you had exactly I'm tired of seeing hearing sounds. I WANNA see the animals, they the animals. I didn't need to see. I don't need. Don't let me clarify something and we go back. I do apologize for my big fill out. These It yet there's a certain time when you say you know what you. You might as well not even showed this because you didn't even try, they tried. They start to use the animals. Zoom Vanessa say. Like all right when they they don't. They don't look like animals anymore because they're mutated. It's just an excuse to run out of money. Yeah, it's an excuse to cover up. That animal just looks like Shit. The blades. Loss. You feel sorry for this poor creature ready. I think I'm lying I. Don't know I shouldn't be. Hurt. and. Do. This creature don't even know what he is. Run Just I. Want you to kill me. Don't leave me. Kill me! I'm praying. So much pain. Having could afford three quarters of Alica. As Orlando. I didn't notice those blades. Did. Paying the fuck is just praying the shot. I mean you say yourself work. It just used sound effects. Here. There's lot of Portland looking at us. Killing me, what's happening? In pain out me. And even if the line was meant to be convinced, it's a stupid as death. So you mean to see this woman. Oh, she's looking over here at your side. Talking about Oh my God, the made it sound. If we got nothing else, there's we got sound land. Like ten feet away from you and you didn't hear this shit. Wow that was. What I man. I want to defend this movie, but helicopter blades could be so loud that you couldn't hear the lion. Let alone people yellen the doing this month. And he just. SUNUNU has done Also and I see you. Stop, you're over there and it's. Going to and in the land noticed that. We see him. He's not that far away the whole time that that telling him to run the relies right their opponent he can. He can bill them a least breathing all the medicine point. Is If. You Start Man. Got Them plays the. Think. Weren't. Blowing the. And the way they moving. That's a name. Even helicopter blades. That's a ceiling fan on. Dumb Shit right here. You know southern courtroom. Slow. Just stupid, that's. That line. Pool creature. He got a library. Did you guys I look? This is what you like. Look when you once you render. Lau walked onstage Gut. Walk down so sad. I mean it wasn't even threaten. He was so pitiful. Help me. Jesus just helped me. Come on? Stage Right. What do I gotta? Do I'm going to kill you. Feel come up. Mother fuckers got a gun. Just kill them in your himmy. Somebody say White Dad had no. We had. What are you saying? Witness. Run. You! I mean he can't even do. Black people that. It, wasn't it? Wasn't enough to see one. Said looking creature here once they look an animal that they couldn't get right. They just say you know fucking. Form All just opened the gates this let all the animals dumped the box of aircraft open open the gate. No notice that I want you to notice something here again. Is that asylum creative budgetary going on notice that we got. One side of the animals right here. That's not good. I on. Copy Paste. You can see Waldo doing the beggar. They're using for I. Not working all a bunch of gut elephants that he looked like the crow way the Lions Texture at times. Like it's metals. So, somebody said. Zoom be civil war. That's not good. Zombie Animal Fight Each Other? No, no, no, they just with the supposed to be trying to convey is that they're surrounded. But. It just looks like they've got to play football suppose. You're about to go up against you know. broomsticks animals not play football. Football. Yeah Yeah, they just flipped the shit. Ain't give. No they didn't. It looks like when CG was first coming out, I was in junior high, and you'd see stuff on a computer and this. Is that what it looks like? I'M GONNA. Tell you something. Many hit the beer. They had the big climax I didn't know what happened. Is Dude I'll tell you? Why? Because you got the the one of the main poachers that's left. He's supposed to go in at this moment like you know. I know I have not been good. The animals is only right that I I I I di for college, even though the apart where he just looks up in the air, which one is the the guy with the big in air the Sucker Punch? Along Sucker Punch! Yeah, so he decided to go out there and as Martin said, go down a blaze of glory. What he's going to do. Is that the animals eat him? You lead them off. He has the cure inside of them. How that's supposed to feed all these guys? On this is GONNA be cured. Gets there first. It's GONNA eat. These appetizer right here. You know like that's like I'm looking at this. That's like a about. Fifty hefty people looking at a pickle right away. You don't WanNa say that I was like okay. Food is going. To take. US With. I was a kid. Drags you won't talk, Shit. rattlesnake ain't nothing much there. I gotta be first one. fucking. Feasting on his man. On yet you, don't you, don't. They never show? They'll never show him. You don't even get a C. and we look. For details on. A package of animals running. Gemology. Probably. We can show them running. Just go off screaming. That saved on my computer. I can run there. Man Oh and. I don't know I was losing track. Man Does point on my second Miss Scowl after all the Margaritas and I really don't remember that much nothing that was like the blackout, drunk, but I just between me. Just tune out. Pointing just not giving a shit. NBA Drunk I don't remember what happened. Because the things he has like how the fuck did I di-? Did I miss this right here? How did I miss? A mere kept popping out of a guys dig. Missed that I don't remember anything on his remember that. No No, don't. Wash it again. How is that? The mere cat, so that T REX! Pretty much yeah. GotTa give you one last climate. Smart enough to get on the on the chopper. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, because yeah, they they just like the one you've. Got The boat in how to get on the chopper anyway. I don't shop and been that long jumped on the head. Right right. Wrong. Somebody says son on me of twelve step program now this Sopa. Meal Real as reading and I've never flown a helicopter before I from what I've learned movies. All you gotTA. Do is get on there, and there's a button that says starting another winter says. Lift, because it seems like in movies, anybody can get on a helicopter and start flying. Well once onto. Do you remember do this? I can fly anything. Always. Will remember. He's Captain Australian military experience so sure if you're in any branch the military. Expertly fly, but he's one of those super soldiers that can do whatever. You can do it. All in one soldier, right? They're all on one jaw hit all in one jar. But. Yeah and but I do remember I do remember after like not keeping up with the climax anything I. DO remember getting excited because they're like Oh. Shit for a stupid ass movie I'll fuck. That's the connection to zoom zoom. Zoom Zubi. Monty. How far away are you in those monkeys Oh shit I remember the monkees. They know they didn't. Yeah because I mean. She pops up I was like wait a minute. She's in the first one. What if? You're. Just buying zoo I was like. Oh, they're the was responsible for this. That's how that muggy got drunk. All Right? Put all that fanfare at the end. They say the good camera for her. Yeah! Oh Yeah. Because she gets Salamis wonder the budget yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This brothers confused I didn't happen to go watch zoom to tell everything you need to know. He's a nice all right, yeah! I'm Outta here. Life is kill me off. Do. Yeah people extended universal. I. Those monkeys. You mean the ones that died earlier. crossovers. Incredible Bolt Movie I. Don't even think incredible bulk is. There's not no I don't think incredible bogus now thinks think that's another might be. It might be. It makes sense I just thought. I was looking for asylum and see it, but yeah. You Crossover with the with the DMZ, right? We can't look. Here's the deal. If we had the real fast appears go to Jurassic, Park. We can have fast and fierce. Go to zoom. Fight monkeys man yeah. Asylum. They'll give you what you want. That's true. Company universal's bullshit. We're GONNA make some. Curious. So incredible bulk is not okay, but I thought that because the chat was throwing. Yeah, but hey fast and fierce in Zoom B.'s all asylum had happened man go where go where a universe go. Real studio would not dare to go y'all can do the first thing that they won't do. It 'cause Koby word and I'll show them how it's done exactly. Yeah. Number. Action. I just got my tax refunds. We're over budget. Oh, and yeah, when when they fight each other the chair when they fight each other make sure the cliff angry. They all go to space. Can Do hell. Israel skyway ahead of you. Do they have an eighteen year old virgin? The think because I think they made a movie called the eighteen year old virgin. They do it with the call the eighteen year old virgin. Little too on the nose. What's special about? Love the name. The King of believes he says fasting Zubi. Bad. Oh yeah people love and man. Let's do it. Let's make it happen so there you go folks. Fast and fierce versus zombies, and that's what I don't want. That best in fierce versus zoom. Keep stupid. Doesn't that necessarily nothing clever here? Keep a dumb. Yeah People that you go. Now that we've been set up, we can finally into full force into zombies universe, Martin Zoom has a setup, yawns heat up for the first one. Yes, we are! Yes. We all is going to be fun. And we'll know the backstory. Things care. That'll be fun. All ties together. Yeah, just a woman saying that one fucking line. Movie! Theater like all I see I. Know What really happens. I know why I know why they also. Make any sense chefs. Oh the second one was made. FUCKING THAT was made after the first one so. The. King believes. He says is not cool. But. See here, let me find it. Is Not cool, but this man. He put his heart into it. They to do them wrong. Let's try to give him. Let me see track them just a little bit more attention here, man. Let's let's not let let's not let Katie dime vein right. This clip right here? They said. Don't let k. d. dime vein right now. I was pulling the love for you. Who is it? The king of believes he said Justification Katie. This man right here? They did not give man respect. No, they didn't. Let's go ahead and give it to him one more time. Loops Gibson sound too. I. I didn't tell them. never forget. K. D.. He sacrificed himself so that those two fucking stereotypes in. Stereotypes, yeah, the League. He's. Big Game leaves. DISC! One stereotype dies. So two other stereotypes can leave you. All right so you go, we'll get into. Zoom bees one. At some point. He's making a clown. I really bothers me man. I'm getting tired of this shit. I. That's twenty nineteen. Telling you I'm just so sick this his choice. The actor that to take the role that was going to pay bills, but all that somebody wrote that shift for him off I. Saved. You deserve this? You know what I hate to say, maybe not. Because he might, he might have just been like our do like this. D'Amato got him the role tonight that no, no I. I'd be I believe that, and then he tried to tried to back it up on set now, and then what do. You did I agree with you? Blame the left by it. Maybe if I turn it up on, screen. It's. Demand all these the movies I. Wanted the look. Maybe he played it up, but that's what the movie wanted. It definitely hang. I'm with you. I gotTA play bills, but I mean he's got. He's gotTa pay his bills. I wouldn't take the rule I said the other day. I wouldn't take fifty thousand dollars for this. Sure they. Maybe they said do your with also do this one just so we have for saving and like it took the one that he did regular. Toss on the fuck out. The gas conversion, ask the big. In the auditions. O- on! I'll think I know what y'all want. All Fuck! Chad John like the review. Fun? Over here. You have a good time as poor Katie. Even he's laying. You know I'm just doing to play the to pay the bill honey like this shirt. I'm actually ruled scholar. Poor guy. Hope, you'll head. Let me, see I hope you'll hand a good time. Because I did. Actually I did. Say I mean for. Is Not cheap. Yeah, sorry Katie living in my car before I got. As. Be Remembered by. Give me a line. Along as she looked like this. I didn't know they could do that. Porgy Animals are good.

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"Alpha and Omega" - Planet Raconteur

Planet Raconteur

08:12 min | 10 months ago

"Alpha and Omega" - Planet Raconteur

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There were five hundred then a thousand somebody pulled out a typewriter typewriter which hadn't been invented yet obviously, but there it was one of the monkey swung down grabbed a banana on the way perched a beaten-up felt Fedora head had on his head and started typing away Another Monkey looked over a shoulder and thought too hard and he started banging away on another typewriter pretty soon. The whole Forest way to had typewriters in the works. There may have been a forest right? Otherwise, we're the Monkees have been hanging hours with their typewriters like yeah. Anyway, the whole Forest rang out with Clickety clickety clack of typewriter key striking off. The ding of the mail at the end of the line and The Zing of paper being pulled out of the roller. There was also the occasional. Oh, yeah, that's it. That sounds great choice or the muttered. Damn what happens next from the army of newly-made typist somebody with a cigar regard to help them concentrate suck. Everybody had to have a cigar of the Monkees had cigars the lengthy smoked cigarettes were lady monkeys, of course the reams of paper piled up of a great Haze of tobacco smoke drifted through the trees and some of the monkey stopped typing and gathered in little clusters around the water coolers that appeared here and there they did not make sense. Do you want to hear the end or do you want to keep bugging me about what does and does it make sense? It's okay. Let's hear it. All right. All right. Shuttle ride, what do you think harb one monkey asked another nervously lighting another cigarette think it'll be any good. I don't know Sid said Harville have to see you offered said a hit off the flask Abu so he was carrying. Well, hey, they say the Greeks invented civilization. Maybe ouzo was here first, huh? The Clusters got bigger the number of typist got smaller and soon it was just a few sets of Simeon fingers hunting and pecking away then just packing then the last quip a final thing as the final sheet of cheek Bond paper was pulled in Triumph from the Cordy tooth beast and placed into the stack. There was silence. A monkey. Nobody had seen yet wearing a vest and a pair of horn-rimmed glasses swung down picked up the pile of paper then to Sheetz like an 8 and 1/2 by a lawyer and giant deck of cards between barely opposable thumbs and shuffled them together. He carefully tapped the pages squared the edges off tap them again and stepped up to the microwave. Wait. Wait, where did they get a microphone Guitar Center? And I don't know where the microphone came from but it stands to reason right. I mean if you've got a thousand monkeys to hear you, you've got to have some sort of a PA system. So there has to be a microphone. All right. I finish a weird story. 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Fake United States here in Apocalypse Parish


13:29 min | 11 months ago

Fake United States here in Apocalypse Parish

"It evening is as real de Morte also known as the aniline. Land Gray than McCoy Wilson an Austrian national role. Stuck in Hellhole Bash trip. This is episode about how fake the United States is and it really don't exist. I'd load I downloaded in Jinks. One day in there was no listing for a pull down to the United States but it was for Austria and I got to thinking well as fraudulent is ingredients. This places where we're at on the North American continent it's because they don't abide by European rules. There's no. LAWS, unless you're living in a civilized community, Mesquite Texas or Republic Louisiana I call loser bill. I looked up on the Internet tonight. How much? Crime against how much is the percentage of crime in Bastrop Louisiana compared to Mesquite Texas the property crimes ambassador is ninety six percent. AM violent crimes is. Sixty. Three percent compared to mosquito twenty, two percent and property crimes of that thirty percent. This is the worst place to be in the universe. Is. Lawlessness is nothing but greed lend Elaine. Thanks. She runs at her and cody cody coyote tells everybody he's the president when he is the most violent crime computer, he won't get his hands dirty when it comes to me but he'll sit there and have somebody else do it for him why he videos? He's done everything from putting a Black Mamba into my vagina and watch me turn into ash and grey and then. When the snake started exiting my mouth. I rolled over to the left and back back to on my back and was. Like I am now. He's trying to claim he's the angel of death and he's he's nothing but the first Jesus was crucified on the Cross for creating sin. He's never been innocent ish for as what he's done. He was immaculate and fell from. Grace. He wears to snakes around his neck, a Domin Bac Cope diamondback rattlesnake and a Cobra, both of which he said on. On as a sick gain him in his monkey, he made play Where they put me on the table for their cannibalism diet. Of. And whatever she wanted. Well, the Bible did Carson but it wouldn't be into a serpent because at least he would have gotten what she wanted and then she would have been equal with cody. Know, there are a pair of side, the lowest belly crawling. Entity. Now, I'm living in a town that has nothing but parasites can the toilet they we bathe in shit water we don't have a treatment plant. I have to put bleach in the back just to take a normal bath. It is the most disgusting place I do not drink the water I'm Bhai bottled water I'm living on my trust fund which everybody fifty, million people Austria, or getting into my trust fund. It's mine. Austria page for every disabled person in this you in the United so-called Unquote United States, it's the fakest place. There is an world I don't know why would WANNA come here? Especially Rahmat. Between being called a sacrifice from these loser cuts that. Think they're better than me Makita Fed on the inner parasites in. So called wedding clothes I would. You couldn't pay me a QUADRILLE. In Euros to. Put me in my mouth and feed on me like I'm some damn lollipop or anything else like that. It's disgusting. I. Know I don't fit in here. I'm not a part of the monkey, the land of the monkees and Milan the. Opinion because I'm European and I have different values. I would give anything to be in Austrian Alps right now. I'd give anything to be five. Oh five am Stein. You know I it's. Sitting in a bus, I'd rather live in a little best depot. Waiting for the burst into be where I'm at. It is pathetic. They set here the law, the law enforcement just picks up a check they don't enforce the law you sleep with ninety six percent crime rate here. On property. They sit there and get a check and then put in false information claiming I. Have a Texas driver's license in an presented it here in in the loser beal area which I haven't I haven't had Texas driver's license in my position since two thousand and eight we know loose Versto lytton apartment. And makes. Texas driver's license hail. He brought it brought one of my apartment at the shadow brook said he was judged for. Now, he's a joke. Eighth. MUCIS. It's his birthday today. Or yesterday. One Christmas in July. Will Jesus never got off the Cross in the one witness? He denied the one witness resurrected. He claims it all of them where he's at. Our belabors one believer believes in in all over one teeth with don't believe. That makes sense to my viewers don't to me. It don't to my daughter. Don't to me at all. Other than the fact I walk the universe to end I can't deal with me Lucifer, spiting anymore I'd tried at the bar then you turn our comes and I can get out of it because this is the only piece. That makes him. The puckers believe in the Bible I'm Deborah thing. Existed awake and everything that and Bible tailing. It's closed. It's the last thing that has to be proven. And I know it's GonNa come because I've dreamed of it I wish Linda would step but right behind me so I can turn my eyes into far and I see everything in front of me far below above and around because I'm not going to be on the Earth with the Anti Christ and I'm not going to put up with the Anti Christ impersonating means eight she's Austrian royalty abdicated a physical own. In. Austria. While I protect the real thrown called the earth. All you failures got thrown out of the garden I. Don't give a fuck who your If your relative or not. The case is the end of the day if he died and you're not from the injury, I'm not Girelli. I've got video I'm so bored place and I know what? I am always know when I am. I Shea sleepwalking and shape shift into my dragon still, and I'm not the dragon boat. I was a serpent before I stayed my. 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Don't have fire and they don't have water and they don't have earth and they don't have air. Go Get your container cody. They sit there and stock and Tommy incident there today it's telling me. For. My doctor's appointment. I didn't have any clean close to where because I don't have a Washer and dryer anymore since I moved. And I'm waiting to get one. It's taken me a little bit of time to have to wash my clothes at the LAUNDROMAT. In these buckets skate sit there and say I'm living in the toilet bowl now bitch I live in the toilet bowl. I don't even drink the water here. Would I got on is. Close. Really close it's DNA. It's not walkable. It ain't swap and below. They've called me Buddha. They're doing everything they can never in my life that people would be. So unafraid of something. So powerful. Do they keep on nobody that this deal I'm dealing with is. Godly Herb God I didn't even think would go this far. They've gone. It's most disgusting thing. I've ever seen in my law. We need cleansing pray for far. I'm not scared because I haven't quenched my thirst cody Mr Lewis. Avert. Go sit here and and you wouldn't matter if you. Broke into my house, hit me in the head and took my ignorance and shoved it down my throat cody. Steele did not do. You know why it's a choice is a God damn conscious choice. You must be a fucking retarded mother fucker to walk in my bedroom and say she's going to give me in mortality. Death than awakenings and I don't like being awake. I want to sleep. You know why it's peaceful I don't feel no pain. Not Listening to God Goddamn unsaved motherfuckers day screaming in my ear. Like mariscal mine. Jalen made a grow bitch. I'm so grown and he with the motherfucker, there are so old. I can't even begin to describe to take three thousand years plus he is in the same image. and Yo- bucket one time around been born in Nineteen. Ninety. Five. Thank your adulting. Bitch I wish you would come to my doors. So me what child's about? Show me that I'm the Child Marissa. Because I'm not and guarantee, you will not walk up this property. I'm threatened by these fucking bitches Deborah Day in their little. Demonic network. That I'm, GonNa be put down in the Gulf of Mexico Fitch trying out volunteer to go. Just to get some fucking peace and quiet. I'm not scared to death like you. You're not into ass at G. put me in your man it is a great said, means the living turn into the date. For putting me in their mouth. For calling me the PUCK and anti Christ upside down. I had gravity and I'm really fucking tired of it. I love to sleep at night. Blah Blah Blah loving. My Body hurt whatever the puck you do to me is really considered grave robin and I don't feel a thing of pain on this. Great NC mad come on. Be Mad. Men Don't hurt me. By the way if I've wetting on the earth. Nobody would be on the earth. Gravity broke about five six, seven years ago. And under holding down I would love to let it go. Looks like I got me visitor in this is Angelina Damore known his DNA Leeann. Wilson Land Graven Signing off y'all have a good night.

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Healing Hurts - How To Take Your Spiritual Practice To The Next Level

From the Heart: Conversations with Yoga Girl

1:15:44 hr | 11 months ago

Healing Hurts - How To Take Your Spiritual Practice To The Next Level

"You're listening to the yoga. Girl podcast conversations from the heart. Then gehring by the bank keyser's areas nowadays, but no, you know what they say. I can't. I can't go where the gay add what storytelling telling his story and. The monkees. Eighty one tell the story about your birthday party. and. Hey Look! Mama Mama! Mama and Papa. Gus and you want to speak a little more. King were debt by about the monkees in what? Her. Bag Gay get BANKAS J. Her. How about you tell everyone on the podcast about your favorite dinosaurs you. Hey I know. I have a nine. I get podcast now. good-bye everybody. A very good. Welcome to a brand new episode of the Yoga Girl podcast conversations from the heart. I I'm so excited to sit here to talk to you right now. I feel really. Full in this moment here now. And I feel like it's been a minute since. Since I was just here alone, getting the chance to share and open up with you so. Welcome welcome welcome and thank you for tuning in. It is. It is a new day. It is a new life. It is a new world. I feel in so many ways. I think before we dive into the theme and the little bit of storytelling for this week. Let's take a moment to ground, yeah! So. Wherever you are at this moment just giving yourself an opportunity to get comfortable. And that can mean different things on different days right so? Allowing yourself maybe to sink a little bit deeper into your sea door. Take up more space wherever you are right now or shift or change something around. Your body or your posture to see feel comfortable here now. Once you get there? Let's close the is. Is closed will take A. Deep deep full breath in through the nose. Open the mouth and let it go. Give yourself some space some time right now to bring. All of your awareness in word. To, release enter your awareness. Here now. If you like you can do that through the avenue of the broth just by bringing more awareness to the breath in the breath out. When I do this I like to get so present with my broth- that I can actually distinguish between the subtle changes and shifts the happened within my own body with every breath. And every breath out. And you might notice just within your own breath right now. How many parts of your body are actually involved when it comes to your breathing? The cool thing about the breath is that it's automatic. Happens all day long. We don't have to think about it. and. It's also voluntary meaning you control the Bra. You can choose how to breathe. You can choose to deepen or short on the breath. So right here right now. Noticing the quality of your brought the way it already is in this moment. Noticing if you're breath has a lot of space today. If you're sensing any kind of restriction around your Bra. On his, if the breath is long, or if it's shore, or perhaps we're right between. brought his deep or shallow. If your sensing any kind of tension around the breath, perhaps one side of the nostrils. That's a little more restricted than the other or Sometimes a feeling of just tension or a bit of heaviness in the body can actually make it a little more challenging to breathe deeply. So notice all of this. If, you're feeling spacious and open. Or constricted tight. And whatever you're feeling in this moment, don't judge. No such thing as good or bad. There's just being here right now. Whatever space you're finding yourself in? that it makes absolute total sense. And this is something that I've been contemplating a lot lately. The fact that when the body speaks to US and gives us signs and talks to us in different ways. It's never random. So if right now, you're sensing man. It's a little bit challenging for me to really connect with my breath today. Or I'm experiencing pain in my body, and it's making it harder for me to be present. Or anything else that might look if it's an obstacle or something that's in the way. No Let. It makes absolute total sense that this is the way you are feeling today. And sometimes, what a takes is a little bit more of that practice of slowing down and getting present enough with our own selves. So that, we can connect the dots. Right and recognized everything that happened so far today or so far this week or so far this year, right? The gift that keeps giving that is twenty twenty. Everything leading up to this moment that everything aligning in the way it did. So that. You could sit here the way you are in this moment. And especially UNBE emotional level rights, not just the breath and the body, but. The emotional level of the heart. If you're experiencing some kind of sadness right now. Some kind of pain. Experiencing laws. Betrayal. Abandonment, confusion frustration fear. Fear has been a big one for all of us, I think. Especially then. What it feel like right now to. Just, give yourself permission to feel the way you're feeling right now. To, let the body be the way the body is right now. And to let the breath be as well. What would that be like just? Giving yourself complete permission to settle. And be the way you are with what life has brought you today? For me. I can sense just my body taking a deep breath. It's like Oh relief. To give myself permission to feel the way I'm already feeling. Te Actually get to move away from this idea. That is very ingrained in us that we're supposed to be happy all the time. Right or we're supposed to be okay all the time grateful. The time it's a lot of pressure and also means that we're going to be spending a lot of time and energy, not accepting each moment for what it is or assisting different kinds of emotions when they come. Or trying to escape or maybe numb ourselves when thanks that we deem bad right if it's emotions or Life situations when they come up. So giving ourselves thought. Permission to just be. Feels feels really good, doesn't it? That's what I want this podcast to really beat us the moment an hour. Or. Your body can soften. Or you can just listen from that place deep inside of you. With the breath can slow down a bit all on its own. So giving yourself just a few more moments here now. Perhaps noticing that the path is beginning to slow down. It's pretty amazing. How the natural response to US bringing our awareness to the body. Is that the body begins to let go. Eight any tension we'd been accumulating in the body throughout the day. Just little by little begins to melt away. If there was tightness or shortness of breath. You'll find that the body begins to automatically look for deep rob. And also without permission might come the surfacing of some sort of emotion. and IT'S A. Beautiful practice stepping into that emotion whatever it is. Holding it. Processing it. And allowing it for what it is right, allowing it to be for what it is. Having to change without having to shift. Just. Being right here. 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I feel a little weepy right now. If you like I could, I could cry on cue. GotTa admit that's kind of how I'm feeling all day everyday these days is that I can cry on cue. I don't need anything you know massive or terrible or hard to come my way to to feel my feelings out in the Open I. can literally just cry argue. which I used to really dislike like I, used to feel really uncomfortable with the whole idea of. Crying in front of other people. Crying at all actually was a I was one of those emotions that was taught. Really early was a bad one right that we only cry. If we've done something wrong or you know, suck it up. What are you crying about? You know like that kind of energy for me. The journey back to crying the journey of allowing tears when they come through. it's been a really powerful I gotta say so. So high. Speaking from the heart in this moment. On a share a little bit about how I'm doing right now. I don't know even where to start. Honestly, it's been. Three weeks since I says I sat down to recruit. podcast all of our may own. You know and honestly the pus three weeks. I feel like enough has happened within me around me that. I could ride I. Ride another book. Maybe my third book will be like the three weeks. That just happened Muslim not but so in this moment right now as I am. I am sitting in what I have called or deemed my sacred space. The space formerly known as our guest room, also calling it my goddess tower, but above everything else it's my sacred space, and just the fact that I have this space. My house right now is is a is a little miracle on its own. I was sitting yesterday to kind of contemplating deeply the big big things, shifts and changes that. I have seen. Come my way whether or not I wanted them. And the shifts and changes that I have made help him right through practice through grit through zillions through a longing for something different over the past couple of months. And a really big part of that is actually having the space that I'm sitting in recording this and right now. So, that is an eye, we've had this house. We bought this house in two thousand, thirteen, September, two, thousand thirteen. We have a picture that facebook reminds me of sometimes of him. Carrying me over the door stuff holding abolish some pain. The day we got the keys to this house, and it was one of those things where the House we had before. This one was probably. I think I think in our minds. We thought we were three houses away from getting house like the one we have now. It was definitely something he couldn't afford. Our Past House was a one bedroom. Then have any guestroom. There was just one single small bedroom with a bathroom in the bedroom, so we could never really have guests over. His they would have to go into our. Bedrooms go pee. And Super, super, super, tiny, very cute, little space, but very very tiny in a pretty rundown. And then when we decided, we wanted to buy something we wanted to invest in something. They wanted to take this next step into adulthood that feeling of buying your first house at such a big deal. And we found a little house. That kind of was in our price price range that we thought we could swing. and. Went over there and it was on the on the north coast of the island, which is such a beautiful beautiful part of this island. It's just. The North Coast here. It's you know it's all CACTI. Literally I look out the window and all I see is cactus everywhere big hills? Big Boulders were hawks like it's very very arid and dry, but beautiful and this House that that we had found it was like a little, can a boxy two story like little house with a little yard. But it was in this part of the island that we loved so much, so we decided okay. We're going to go for it. And put an offer in and the realtor came back to us and said that he had just closed. Someone else, so we didn't get it, and I remember that moment I remember us feeling like so bombed a you know. Like we really had our hearts settled that place and all it was such a such, a cute little house, and like in our price range okay. And then the randomly than has got a call from a friend. It's one of those random things that happened I realized afterwards was just this. Grace God I. Don't know a friend of his, said Hey. I saw. You are out of showing like I saw your car outside that house I know they just sold, but we are selling our house. And it's on the same street, or it's just around. The corner continued on the road, and it's on that final road where there's only a couple of houses, and and that has a really good view and a lot of privacy. do you want to come? Check it out, you know. And I remember that is telling me I. Don't know if we should even go. Because I'm a hundred percent certain this house. We won't be able to swing it going to be out of our price range and said you know what it feels like a sign that they saw that you were there. You know, let's go. We didn't have a realtor. Anything involved. Just personally went to this friend. This candidate Quainton not afraid, but acquaintance Dennis's. I remember we walked into the House and is one of those houses where you walk through the front door and take a step in and you see the ocean. You know so we. We're not oceanfront we have. We're in the desert. And then the distance we see the ocean, and just cactus all around, and it's really breezy here and it's just as. This. kind of one of a kind feeling of being right here and I remember that moment I looked at him, and I was like. Yeah, this this is it i. don't know what kind of mountains we have to move. This is the house. This is the one where we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA make this happen. And at the end of the day we did you know magically so for us this house and it's already been. That's wild. Imagine this been seven years. We've lived here. And getting this house was such a dream. Come true. We'd never owned a house before. Neither of US never renovated anything in our lives. I don't think had ever held like power tool or painted a wall in our life. We're not those kinds of people and we got this House and it was twenty thirteen, so we had just started traveling like crazy teaching yoga all across the world we had just gotten Ringo Ringa was like a tiny little puppy. When we moved here, we had sergeant pepper Keila Leica. Are The are the dogs. And so this house and we didn't really do anything with it. And I was thinking about this a lot now, just the fact how many years went of us just moving into the space very sparsely furnished, because we didn't have a lot of money and everything we had kind of went into the space, and then we were traveling all the time. So, we didn't really nest in a way that I can recognize now as truly nesting. It wasn't until I got pregnant with Luna Twenty sixteen thousand. We actually for the first time. redecorated renovated a part of the House that we actually painted put fresh paint on the walls that we actually looked around and went. Hey, you know. Is this really the way we want this? And we started making some changes I think getting pregnant of course comes with his need to nest. This feeling of I want I want WanNa make the space really mine. So that was our first moment of of shifting something and back then you know our backyard was was it was this kind of space where you couldn't even sit outside? It was just. Really dirty dust everywhere like a big dirt patch in the back of the house, so we had this beautiful view, but there was no outside space to sit, and the baby was born, and I immediately recognized like okay. This baby is a water baby. We didn't have a bathtub. We didn't have a space for her to be in water, but whenever we took her to the ocean, it was like watching her whole being light up as if she's just such a such a fish. And our next little phase, or which was I? Think the biggest product we ever did in our lives up up until that point was putting in a pool here from scratch. And it was such a project such a process. It took so many months and you know we had construction workers here I think for half a year. It was just really really really intense intense time, but that's. It's like that's really it. In also in terms of we never landscaped. We never like looked at the house. In terms of hey, what's broken? There's a lot of things that have been broken. We've had leaks in the roof. We had mold. We've had a lot of weird stuff. And the House on its own, it's kind of weirdly put together. It's a really old part of the houses old very very old, and then the previous owners attached this whole second faced the house, but it's an a totally different style than the original house. It's like full of weird corners and nooks and round walls, everywhere and pillars in the middle of things it's like. Looking at this house very objectively. It's a weird house. Like really really is a weird house. And if it's something I, think the most beautiful thing that corona virus isolation and quarantine really brought was plus plus the ability to really ground into our home into to really nest, and when I say nest I mean nest like we have never nested before. And before you know slowing down I, didn't have the capacity to really be still enough to even recognize the fact that I had that big that I had that big need. I always thought that on the kind of person who just loves to travel and go from place to place and terriers rising so I love adventure and. Actually that's not. True. You know there's a huge part of my being. That just loves to be home and feel at home. So when I look at this house the way it was. In March and I look at it now. It's a different place like it's a different place, not in the sense that that everything has changed, every room is totally different or anything like that, but in the sense of our presence is felt in every corner of this house for the first time for the first time since we moved in and spent seven years. We don't have any dud spaces anymore. We don't have any rooms that are weird that we don't know what to do with. We don't have any messy rooms anymore. I feel like I have to knock on wood saying that because. I live with a messy est man in the world. We don't have any messy rooms. We don't have any like closets lurking that you don't want to open you know everybody. Has that right and I think a lot of us have done so much, you know. Purging, and reorganizing, and all of that came with having so much time at home, the when I look around the space, the whole house I just feel presence and energy and warmth everywhere. And what was so interesting about that? And what I'm getting to is sharing the story right now is the very top of the house. There's a weird room. So we have a three story house. The third story was accidental, and this is like a story that the previous owners are of them telling us they added on this section of the house, and then accidentally when they were building, the builders made some sort of mistake or miscalculation, and the ended up with a third floor, and ended up enclosing that with big windows and making that into a room. So it's like the accidental space wasn't supposed to be. I always thought that was kind of a weird thing. Like. How does that even happen? But so when we moved in this third floor place, then have a floor. It was all concrete than have anything like it was just totally barren and strange. And we just thought that was the one little renovation project that we had when I was pregnant. And this is the room we slept in when Leo was little, this was bedroom and soon as he went to crib. downstairs. We changed rooms in our bedroom downstairs. We have of course bedrooms next to each other. So then this room up on the third floor became guestroom like that was the one. It never occurred to me ever for this room to be anything else. It was just always had guests. Like my mom would come and stay for months at a time. My family, my siblings, we would always have friends come over, and we go through cycles of having a lot of guests. And then we will go through cycles of having nobody at all. But I always had this idea that you know as an adult. You need to have guessed like you need to accommodate anyone who wants to visit. They should have space right. So in the space that I call the the sacred space, we had a massive massive four post. King bets so like two meter by two meter huge. Handmade big wooden bed. In the space of the bed was so big. It took up the entire room. So whenever we did have guests, you know they had this beautiful amazing experience of having like the best bed in the howls private bathroom up here, really great view. But then over the past year or so, we haven't had guests. We haven't had any gusts. We've had lake once you know someone. Come visit like we haven't really had anybody come, but I've had this idea that we have to have a guestroom of course. And then what this room has become, as I needed a space to record this podcast, for instance, a space to take meetings working from home, so we had this huge bed in here in a little corner, poorest up by the window I had a tiny tiny little desk of this desk was so tiny was just always covered. was stuff and documents, and trying to fit my computer there I had a little corner like chair. I would record the podcast. And I lived that way right for for a long long long time. And it wasn't until middle of quarantine where I did a interior design course with a friend of Mine Kelly. And I don't know how I came upon that, either it was like one of those things that just kind of appeared as like an amazing thing. The first thing she said was like. Don't you feel like you need your own space? And I was like. What do you mean I? Have my own house. I'm an adult a mom. I. Know your own space like your own room. Just thought of that the thought of having my own room, I get. I I got shivers like I could feel like tingles going up and down my spine like my own room. She was like. Don't you need? To claim a space in your house. You do all your work at home. Your whole business is fueled by the work you do every day you shouldn't be sitting in a corner pressed up against the window doing that like you need space space to roll out your mouth without anybody disturbing you like space to practice yoga space to meditate space. That's just yours like to do. Whatever the hell you WanNa do that. You can close the door and it's your space. And and I just realized right away like Hey, this guestroom that we have. Why have I spent so much time so much space in my life of David to people who aren't even here. So in this room I was taking up ten percent of the room for my whole life. Like all the things that actually few will our entire lives my whole work life? Everything that I do that that keeps our lives. Going was happening in this tiny little ten percent corner of this weird room, and the ninety percent of the room was massive bed, waiting for guests. Who Never are here? And it was one of those things right to set. You know what fuck it and I. Put I took a photo of the bed. Put It on the Craig's list of a robots like a craigslist or Ebay thing version of something on a robot and twenty minutes later it was like immediate like immediate someone came paid me. A chunk of cash picked up the bed and left. And sends then. It's been a little while now. I have foam myself with this space that opened up in my physical home. That led to a direct avenue of opening up space inside of my own heart. Inside of my own body inside of my own spiritual journey, it was almost like. I had this huge need to have the space space to be alone adored close privacy of some sort, but because they didn't have it. All of these practices that I've desperately needed to be more disciplined around. They didn't happen US naturally right and I. Did them more seldom as soon as this happen and I got to create the sacred space up here where I'm sitting right now. Things just started changing in my life, and it's kind of. It's kind of wild, and they go. They go both ways right I was in that place of my spiritual journey of realizing. I need to claim more of my own life for me. which led to clearing his room right, but also clearing the room gave me the physical energetic emotional space to accelerate that journey that I was already on right to level up basically. So in here right now I I've shared social media once or twice. If you've told me on Instagram I'M GONNA I'M GONNA post them and share it there because it's so beautiful. I compromise. They have a I have a SOFA now. That's also a sofa bed. It's like a really cosy sofa couch, but it can't pull out and become a bed for one. If we have guests, right guests don't have to be banished. It can still come, so it's like there's a ten percent area where I can accommodate guests if they come. Ninety percent of the space is just mine and for me. I have a beautiful huge desk now like overlooking the ocean and the good and the beautiful view here with so much space I have plans everywhere, and then most important of all this huge space in the middle of the room where I can move where I can do whatever it is then that needs doing whatever it needs to be expressed with my body. and. The the really wild thing about it. Is this opening up of this space? This kind of claiming this area of my life, which of course represents a lot of things in my. Family dynamic him letting go of old relationships and things that haven't been working. Strangely enough coincided with. And this is something that I'm still kind of. Wrapping, my head around a little bit started coinciding with me getting panic attacks. And now this is like a weird twist to the story. But that happened, and I shared a little bit about this I think a couple of podcast the goal that somehow the moment when everything started falling into place, you know when everything felt super easy when suddenly I found myself. Meditating so much more, you know really getting super disciplined with all of my practices. journaling having spaced close a door and be with myself. You know gardening being home. Being still being quiet, all these beautiful things started just unfolding really easily, and with that something inside of me started panicking. and. I'm in the middle of unraveling this right now that. But what I've what I've kind of understood about myself is. I have spent thirty one years totally wired. For Panic For stress for pressure with this idea that there's always going to something that's wrong that feeling. Anybody resonates with this, but that feeling of regardless of how good my life is, or the blessings with the beauty that I have, there's an undercurrent. It within me at all times that waits for the other shoe to drop that waits for the next disaster for the next death for the next chaotic dramatic. You know implosion of something in my life. And I didn't even know that I had this undercurrent that I was living with his spy. Brazen of kind of holding my breath. Waiting for disaster to strike. And you know it's of course what's fueled this huge drive inside of me to to run really fast in every direction wherever I go to work really hard to not be still to be in perpetual motion. It's also of course served me. Really Well, look I've used that energy to build amazing business to create wonderful initiatives and projects and write books, and you know all the big pieces of work that I've ever done in my life all come because of a deadline and pressure right, I work really really really well. Like! A year to create something and I will wait for the three hundred and sixty four th day to begin, but I'll still fill finish on time. That's just how I work right. So so serve me well, but it's also a really really really challenging vibrations live with. And it didn't become apparent to me enough until I got to a place I think my nervous system settled down enough. That actually started believing that hey. Life is quiet right now like I am pretty safe right now. Maybe, no one is going to die tomorrow, right? Maybe everything is just okay, hey. And the moment I got that place of just looking around realizing that Man Okay Everything is just really quiet. Then something inside of me. Something really big something really scary. But I can't really explain it in any other way other than. Than it came from deep within my body, it was a physical response. Of something that I think had been kept buried inside of me for a long long long long time and needed this long wind down this total. Peeling away of all the layers this total holck everything coming to a halt. And this feeling of safety which I started feeling. Just from everything being so quiet and so okay then. What what came through I, think I'm pretty clear. is a really old trauma that's been lingering inside of me that I have not been able to see or hold or touch or unpack. It's been just their hidden in the dark answer to getting these panic attacks right? So I. Have a a psychologist guys. I've been in therapy I still don't really know the difference between a therapist and a psychologist. I think psychologists can prescribe medication or a psychiatrist. I probably should look this up. Actually. Don't even know what my what my gal does. Therapist! She was recommended to me. You know when I brought this and just this feeling of overwhelm this feeling of panic. That would come in the most peaceful moments like what the fuck is that shit? Who? Who lives like that? I get feeling panicked when things are falling apart right when the world is ending, when everything is scary when people are dying when all this stuff, but when everything is fine, like should I be feeling fine when everything is fine. No, when everything was fine quiet, then suddenly I getting panic attacks in the middle of the night, and had to leave my bedroom, my bed like consistently every night to go out into the kitchen. You're gonNA glass of water and try to breathe. You know even though nothing was wrong seemingly. And she was the one who suggested you know. Why don't you? Why don't you do a twenty one day challenge to do a dynamic meditation? And if you've listened to this podcast for a while, or since the beginning I I've I have a whole episode dedicated to the to the dynamic meditation that you can listen to if you want to know a little more about what it's about, we do dynamic meditations in all of our retreats and teacher trainings Oliver Groups. And my experience with onomic meditation was my first meditation experience when I was seventeen or eighteen years old, and for myself at my first meditation retreat. The Meditation Practice was they nonoc meditation. And it's a meditation coined and created by Osho, Bhagwan. I'm not going to get in to get into the controversy of Osho very very very radical and controversial man. Who created some of the most amazing tools that I? have personally ever come across when it comes to. Accelerating the healing already on. So I I'm very familiar with anonymous and practice so much in my life. But you know twenty one days in a row like challenge of doing that for twenty one days. And even though my brain went. Oh, my God. Absolutely not like that sounds insane. You know anyone who's ever done. A dynamic meditation knows it's The fucking worst okay, and I and I don't say that lightly I really mean it. Dynamic meditations are the fucking worst. So if you're never ever ever heard about it before. I'll I'll just do a little rundown of what it is. It's an hour meditation. It's unguided, so there's no one talking to you or telling you what to do, but it's guided by music one hour of music playing. There's five stages to the meditation and you'll know when to switch from the first stage to the second to the third to the fourth and finally the fifth. By the music changing abruptly, so it's something that you have to learn. Prior you know you can learn on your own and then turn on the music. You can find the music on spotify I. Have Spotify playlist of meditation if you want to find it. But. It is one of those types of meditations that it's. It's hard to just do on your own. If you had no prior experience with it because it's, it's much much much easier to do in a group when you get to connect with the energy of other people extremely challenging to do on your own. So five stages, the first stage is chaotic breathing where basically it's a little bit like Apollo breath breath of fire. But chaotic, so it's a forceful exhale through the no, the inhale is involuntary inhale just happens on its own just the folk forceful xl through the nose, but with Kayode with with chaotic like a moment of chaos in there, so there's no rhythm. There's no. You know it's totally chaotic. Big breaths little breaths fast slow. And what it does the the chaotic portion of the of the breath, it inhibits your mind's ability to attach to something. Rights even if you have a mantra, we were focusing on the breath after a little while the mind will be able to anticipate that and attached to that, and you can continue the broth while thinking a lot of thoughts, right or be lost in thought or judgment or problem, or whatever stories happening in your mind, so the chaotic broth keeps you totally present on your toes, and it oxygenates energizes your entire being. And the fees last for ten minutes. It's really intense. It's absolutely totally. Fucking, insane it's insane. But very very very efficient. Absolutely works brings you here. No. And then the second stage begins with a complete shift of the music, and the second stage is called. Catharsis! which basically is is space that opens up. The opportunity for you to act out. Release and process. What ever is moving inside of you? And you can interpret that so many different ways. Whatever's moving sight of you usually what is moving inside of us that we need to get out? Are the kinds of emotions and experiences that society has told us is not okay for us to feel out loud. Or the kinds of experiences where we didn't feel safe to express them or feel them out loud in the open. So what comes up tends to come up is a lot of anger. Loss sadness. Lot of pain can be. Grief can be resentment frustration irritation. In a room if you're hundred people doing namic together, when Catharsis begins, the second stage begins, it's it's like animals in a zoo. Right so traditionally. This is done with a fold normally. If you're new just to keep all of your focus on awareness within you, you know, it's not about looking at anybody else, but completely allowing for your own process so in a room with a lot of people, you might have some people you know hollering or howling like wolves. Some people cursing and screaming like the most primal guttural screams. You might have some people dancing some people singing. Some someone's clucking like duck. Someone's beating the shit out of a bolster or pillow into the wall. And someone is peacefully smiling up in the sky like it's just whatever is moving inside of you. You really. So for me, this is nothing strange because I do this so often but I know for someone who's never had this experience in our white t, t groups or yoga teacher training groups for instance when we do the first day. NOMMIK, there's always a moment of shock of what on Earth. Is, this because we have been so conditioned to keep it together at all times right and you can tell looking at any child any taller any kid how close we are emotions, and how natural it is for us to act out and release the motions as children. You know it's totally natural thing. But then somehow doesn't really work for society right. Society doesn't really allow for you to to just be sad. You gotTa Suck Up and do your job and go to work and feed the kids, and and you know stand in line at the grocery store and do all the things that you have to do it doesn't it's not really appropriate, right? And I think that's really sad. Because there's definitely a variation or an option of our society, where we can still function with structure and still treat our emotional needs as bodily functions as something, totally natural and healthy part of being a human being instead of repressing everything. We feel all the time. I am so certain that this repression of everything we are is what causes big, big big painful problems on in the world. You know violence and things like that. Of course we don't have any healthy or allowed or Safeway. No one ever teaches us what to do with our anger, and we internalize anger our entire lives after a while. We're GONNA. We're going to be like a bomb ready to explode at anything that comes our way so. Dynamic you know when you with a group, you'll get to work in that second stage. You get to work with energy off of everybody else. Just hearing other people releasing answer can help you release anger or hearing, other people going deep into a place of sadness. Crying can trigger that sadness in you. And? It's also the space of just allow like allowing everything that's there to come out. and. Sometimes, if you don't feel anything, we acted out and pretend you know just moving the body just shaking something out, just making weird noises, just going crazy, just basically a ten minute permission to go fucking nuts and let whatever crazy stuck inside of you. And the music changes again in the third stage begins, which is the? Stage so basically you stand up where you're standing up the whole time you're. You're standing, but standing up you hold your arms straight up in the air. You jump up and down landing on the of your feet chanting who? Who who who and the stage is also ten minutes, and it's very very very physical whole dynamic. The whole meditation is extremely physical from the first minute you begin, you're sweating. You're moving your body constantly throughout. And the WHO phase grounds us back into the body. It's a first chocolate route, chalk route, chant, and jumping with the soles of the feet, allows that bye-bye, bracing from the earth to really ground into the feet, and into the legs, and into the core of your being. And then ten minutes past which feels sometimes like ours, and then you hear stop and you stop. and. That's the fourth stage which is silence, and it's fifteen minutes long, so your arms are up in the air. You hold your arms up the entire time and you just stay still you get really really quiet. and You bring in all. The energy used the you were recreating throughout all the other stages. You really hold in the space, and then you just witness what happens in the silence. And that's fifteen minutes long, so yes, this from from the hour of those meditation twenty five minutes are spent holding your arms straight up into the air it's. Very and then. And then at the end of the silence comes the fifth and final stage, which is celebration when you get some really beautiful music, and you get to just express and dance. Express, whatever's in your body to celebrate the day so traditionally. This meditation has done first thing in the morning, so yeah, that's what they now mick and. Therapists, said you know. Why don't you do a twenty one day? Challenge and just you know feels like there's something really big in your body that maybe you're not gonna be able to figure out through your mind right? Because I was sitting I was in therapy I was talking about this and some things are just physical. Some things are maybe old, maybe internalized and held by the body for you know for years or for our whole lives. So perhaps just the dynamic can give you some power and also allow you to move through anything that's stuck that you can get to by thinking your way their sleeve, and though my mind was like Oh, my God absolutely not that sounds like torture something inside of me, my my my heart, my soul went. Yes, yes, yes, yes, is it so I literally hung up with her after that session, turn the music on the dynamic and in the space. That was twenty seven days ago. I have done a dynamic meditation wants day every Single Day for twenty dates to rate. Even saying that allowed makes me just crack up because it's so fucking insane now in your life, of course, if you're feeling the need for some something drastic right something, radical dynamic meditation is just one of a million things that you could do. What really worked for me? In terms of this is that it's deeply uncomfortable, right? It's not arm for me. Me Yoga traditional kind of meditation where I sit down on my ports, and you know, take a broth with a cup of tea, and then I close my eyes and I, and I look for stillness. Right all those things. They bring me a lot of peace. They bring me a lot of joy I. Love Them I. Look forward to them. They're easy. Dynamic Meditation is hard and I'm at a place in my life right now. Where doing the easy things just they don't hold. That doesn't hold up anymore. I think what I'm carrying and moving through. It's too big too intense, too. Hot Too massive for me to be able to yoga my way through it or to continue doing just a self care practices that that feel really comfortable. It's like in that comfort zone. And even though yes, sometimes I have a challenging yoga practice of course, and sometimes I I really feel challenge, meditating and silence and stillness. It's not bringing me out of my comfort zone. And I kind of knew that whatever it is that I was here to heal or whatever kind of healing it is that I need to do it in that space of of of something. That's foreign of something. That's totally new. I'M NOT GONNA. Get to something new by doing the same things. I've done every day for so many years like I need something radical something totally different. So did that first week was horrible. Horrible I mean every single meditation horrible dreading. It didn't WANNA. Do it dragging myself up to this room. You know and of course every it involves my dear dear sweet husband, taking our daughter and leaving the house for an hour him and Luna they've been like going on adventures and running errands, and going to the playground, and he's just without him. I couldn't couldn't do any of this. Because, obviously, it's a it's A. it's allowed meditation in the beginning. But I realized also. It doesn't have to be at all, and actually right now I'm doing most dynamic when people are still in the House and after twenty seven days. I, don't have to yell so much anymore. Which is why I have kind of a voice now? I lost my voice a lot over the past for the past month. But yeah, the first first week was really hard. Excruciating Agony. Oh my God torture. But what came up in the dynamic, especially in the second phase in terms of of their emotional release came up was so big. I had no idea I had no idea. I was carrying that kind of grief. I had no idea I had so many tears to cry. I had so much pain I had so much anger the resentment fear. And it really was even though I was of course like a fully functioning person you know it. It feels like felt like I was like a bomb ready to explode and that's what the panic attacks were in the middle of the night. It was me moving through my day. A lot of self care practices seeing a therapist once a week. It's not like I'm a a totally unconscious like droning type person who doesn't doesn't. Isn't aware of anything like I. If you, listen to this podcast like this is all they do right. But there was a level that I couldn't reach just by talking about it in therapy. Or by through my yoga practice, or through like once in a while I'll go to the ocean, and scream or like I'll howl at the moon run. It's a full moon like i. have those kinds of things that I do? But there was this deep deep deep deep. Layer of pain inside of me that I think was uncovered throughout krona of virus throughout these crisis. Is that I've been through? Levels had a huge separation from my mom beginning of March, so it's been four months without her. There's been a lot of big big gutter roll soul changes in my life, and I wasn't aware of just how much needed to be released so at night when everything was peaceful and quiet, all of that energy, all of that tension of frustration of anger of sadness, it sat there like an elephant sitting on top of my chest, making making it impossible for me to breathe. So even though dynamic for the first week was horrible and awful every day I could breathe a little easier. Every day I slept a little better. I still had to drag myself up to this room and do it every day second week. You know it's like almost like every week. I had a different theme, so I had a lot of anger. Come through in the head loss sadness come through, and then, but it was never never ever that I felt for the first two weeks. I didn't have a moment of joy in Catharsis. In the second State and didn't have a single moment of silliness or goofiness or anything other than pain. And getting to act that out is is the best the best thing I've done so far this year, one hundred percent. And then something interesting happening happened sharing because. It's opened up a big knowing inside of me that has led to a lot of change and some of that change also relates to how I engage with the world and shifts, and some changes that I've made all so in terms of how I relate to this community. I WANNA. Share that so about two weeks and this was right around. Let me see y'all almost when black lives matter and the protests started and there was so much you know around the world still is of course still very very current. But that same week when everything got really really really intense, right everything was kind of at its edge. In the middle of economic meditation I had a I had a trauma become uncovered for the first time in my life. So something bad I'm not going to get into all of but something very very specific very very very painful. That happened to me when I was little that I didn't know happened. And it was kind of like only explain it as it was like my body revealed to me, something painful and abusive. That happened to me when I was little that I have held forever. That kind of packaged away in a little corner and closed the door and throw away the key. Right. And, and of course, I do a lot of trauma work you know. And, this is a totally healthy normal coping mechanism. Especially, children's specially the sensitive years before seven, where when something incredibly overwhelming or painful comes our way. The away for the forest to cope, is that we? We lock it away? Right we disassociate. We forget that it happened. And it becomes a way a way to survive right away to move forward to not touch that scary place. And I had that experience we've had that sometimes in our trauma, healing groups and I've seen it happen in in groups and programs a few times where doing this kind of work of course can lead to the uncovering of something that we weren't ready to deal with before the now we are. That came my way. Changed my life. Completely changed, my whole life made me question. Almost everything I've been told. About my childhood about my family about what happened when I was little, made me pull it every thread and beautifully also made me remember a lot of things. I. Don't have any memories from when I was little. Spoken about that on the podcast to and I would always say would like almost like as a joke like you know like with a little laugh like from ages two and three year. Whenever it is, you start to form memories that are supposed to last. Until I was almost ten nine and a half. I don't remember anything. And I can the last saying that because it's so ridiculous. And I've never really investigated that. Why is it that all of these years of my life are like a chapter from a book that was torn out like doesn't exist. And when this was uncovered, I started remembering fragments of things, and I started sitting down, really exploring like what are my genuine memories from when I was little I cannot remember a single room that I had in any of the houses where we lived growing up until ten years old. Isn't that insane? The fact that I never stopped to really reflect on that like. Hey, you know. Why don't I remember like what our house looked like for? My school was like well. My friends were like what any experiences were like that happened in. The time. That's a lot of years. Really important years I have no Murray's right. And now that makes a lot of sense all of a sudden. And it was like the moment I had this uncovering happening first of all the thing that felt like scary, scary, unbearable trauma of how how will ever? Heal from this ordeal with this. Suddenly you know after a few days started feeling totally manageable. It's like and I say this a lot like everything that we keep hitting hidden in the dark a gross and it feels worse, and it feels heavier, and it becomes harder. Same as with this right and I really really trust that I'm able to remember these things now because I'm ready to remember them because I'm in a space in my life. Maybe for the first time I can hold it. Where I can look at it and not panic, not freak out. I can process it through this practice that I'm doing now every day and actually release it from my system. Right actually get to a place of of healing. That was never possible before. So the days following that this was so. I've done several trauma healing sessions and things around it as well like immediately I just asked for help, which is also very foreign for me. Normally when I really suffer I suffer alone, and this came up and I was like immediate immediate response. I need help I cannot I have no idea how to deal with this? This is too big and got help. And after that suddenly remembering things like every week I have a. it's almost like. Have you ever seen? Someone bought layoff for her? We had a little birthday party for her four months delayed this weekend and someone got her a little. It's like a fossil uncovery toy. It's like a piece of clay like clay brick, and it comes with a little plastic fossil knife, and you scrape the clay off, and you brush the playoff, and underneath hides of fossil like she's really into dinosaurs right now. This is like her most gift. It feels like that. You know it's like like I'm kind of working away with my little scraping away with my little knife like uncovering another layer, brushing away the dust. And then I'm realizing that there are memories there. There are entire shapes and smells and feelings and. And you know experiences places that actually I do remember. There is just everything you know that attached to that situation. When I was little, I had to lock away that was. That's just what would happen. And it's been really beautiful to remember beautiful things. I've had some really beautiful new. Mundane Boring memories come up which has been A. Just a beautiful thing to sit with and. Talk about kind of reshaping this whole idea of of my childhood was in my in my life. You know so. That was week two. And then we three was really processing that and then finally in this last week. You know it's been a month almost and you know I hit twenty one. which was what this challenge was supposed to be and I knew there's no way I'm going to stop now like this. There's too many big things that are being uncovered. That I'm figuring out so I'm just I'm on a roll and I'm going to keep going, but it's in this last week that I've been able to in this meditation experience. Joy, which is like? Why was that so far away? You know, imagine that twenty three weeks of having space for emotional release every day, and not experiencing any kind of joy, everything that came pouring out, was hard and bad and heavy and angry and sowed. You know what the fuck is that. And now it's been this revelation of hey I can go into this meditation experience like excitement. Something joyful. Something beautiful doesn't have to be this heavy horrible thing, and now every single day as I go to do my dynamic, I'm not dragging my feet up the up the stairs anymore. It's just the easiest thing. You know. It's just a part of my day. Same brush my teeth every day I. do they now make every day? And I don't know how long this is going to last. I. Don't know of course I'm not. Obviously it's not going to be something I do every day for the rest of my life. But with it, this is the first time I'm relieved speaking up about all of this in a hormone. Comes also this. This huge need to change how I interact with other people in this world. And for the first time in my life, I have limited what I share on social media I have removed the option for people to send me messages on social media on Instagram, to respond to my stories. Things like that. And just giving myself more space right now to continue listening to myself. and. This is something that I. That I really really really want to urge for each of us, and for for you listening to this right now it's a huge realization that I that I've had when I listen to everybody else. And this really counts like quantity and amount of people really counts the more people I listened to in a day. The more people I interact with more people I go to asking for advice and this includes even things like. Looking for things on Youtube or reading thousands of books, and watching movies and podcast everything the more people. I looked to but especially. People, in our lives. That may be already have a preconceived idea of who we are. The more people I listened to the harder. It becomes to hear my own voice. So. If I'm constantly looking around me looking out at the world asking the World Hey. Hey, what do you think about this? What do you think about this? What should I do here or from so quick to the moment I feel something I throw it out there on social media and then I listened to literally thousands of people. Tell me what they think I should do or tell me. How would they feel about my feelings or my experience? With for every person that I actually taken allowing that space? It becomes a little harder for me to hear my own inner truth. And I think a lot of us. We do this when we lose our footing. We forget that actually when we lose our footing. What we need to do is center and come back home to us. And is that we go a little frantic, and we look around, and we think Oh my God someone out. There is going to have the magical answer for me right? There's GonNa. Be Some teacher. Some person some friends someone in my family. You know who's going to know what to do after to really listen to what everybody says right now. And the more time we spend doing that, the more distant we become from that knowing inside of us. That's they're all fucking along. Like. There is a truth annoying inside of you. That doesn't doubt anything. That knows exactly what the next right thing is. That knows actually what you need. Whether that's a radical practice like this crazy shit that I'm doing right now or if it's a change in terms of. Cutting a relationship out of your life, setting a boundary in a certain way, the siding to to change something major. That knowing sight of you all ready knows what to do already knows what you need. It knows next right step. But then you know you go, and you ask all these other people for help and every time you do that. You forget that actually the answers already within you. So what if when those things happen? When those challenging moments came our way, our response was okay. Let me spend some more time with myself. Adding a hard week. And getting panic attacks. freaking out fearful unworried. I'm grieving. Whatever it is that you're struggling with right now. Have that innate response be okay. I'm going to really make sure that I spend more time alone with myself but I get radically intents and disciplined about the self care practices that I know. Take me a little closer to my own truth. Imagine if that was your natural response instead of looking out at the world, you know like this kind of fragile little bird. Please help. Please help I don't know what to do. You do know what to do. To somewhere along the way you forgot. You lost sight of it. And also if you have huge layers of unprocessed emotions. and pain, and maybe even traumas right big teaser little tease. If all of that is not only use the word clouding, but if all of that is weighing really heavy on you inside. Again there's going to be a law of things in the way between you, and that inner knowing between you and that inner truth. So. We have to deal with that. We have to like. We have no fucking other way. And you know this thing that I'm doing. It's one way. And it's something that's working for me. It's also something that I'm prepared for right. I can kind of see how my whole journey of personal development and healing. It led me to this place now where I can heal this stuff myself like I can be in this room doing this crazy meditation every day and know that as I'm doing that I am self-healing. But I'm supported right. I have therapist or a psychologist I have to ask. That I. Don't know you know I have a husband who's here. WHO's ready to take my kid and give me space every single day? Ask me how I'm doing who holds space for me to share when I have really hard day's. Right I also have a circumstance that house this right now. That can worry about money right now, so many of us are so many people out there are. After Corona virus, or in the middle of coronavirus, like in the US feel like it's just getting more and more challenging. So all of these factors play a role and the important part right now is to really acknowledge that. Hey, where am I right now? What's available to me right now? What are the tools and the resources that I have that I can actually deploy that I can actually use. And what's non negotiable like? What's that thing? Every day? That no matter how hard it is right, no matter how we feel no matter if it doesn't feel like that kind of day. No matter if I'm unmotivated or in pain or feeling, lazy or I want to do anything else. What is that thing that no matter fucking what I show up for every day? And something about this, I bet. I attached to the to this meditation. As after every meditation, I sit down and I. And I always had a journaling practice, but it wasn't disciplined. It wasn't like my yoga practice Scott hop everyday. No, no, it was one of those things where we've been going through a hard time I would journal write or if if there's a cervone journal setting an intention for something I would journal, but every single day even when I'm not motivated. My mind would tell me that I have more important things to do than write about my feelings. Actually a disciplined journaling practice a discipline journaling practice where you show up in that way with that channel to yourself to your own truth open. It is. Free version of therapy. If you can't afford therapy right now if he can't afford a psychologist, you have resources available to you, but you gotta use them. It's so true, you know. We have the twenty nine K. APP. It's literally free resources for healing. Created by the most amazing psychologists in this field I have the eight week course for self compassion self love on twenty nine K.. 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It's free. Doesn't cost anything. It's just you. You can do the emotional component of it where you give yourself ten minutes a day to scream into a pillow to dance wildly to. Let. Whatever GIBBERISH is stock? Be Shaken through your body. You can spend time in nature. But you gotta be radical about. It can't be one of those things where we only resort to our resources when things get really bad, and that's what I'm realising is I've kind of been missing is I'm really good at talking to God when I feel like I'm lost? When I feel despair when I feel like I don't know what to do, then all of a sudden. Oh, wait all these things kick into gear. What if I did those things every day? Right? What if it's more about the maintenance of my spiritual practice? Instead of just the the huge moments of Oh my God. I won't make it through if I don't continuing commit to this. It's the everyday part. And a really important part which I would love to share right now just to really invite you to go. 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Discussion about Black Lives Matter on the "In Search of Life" Podcast - Part 1

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2:09:40 hr | 8 months ago

Discussion about Black Lives Matter on the "In Search of Life" Podcast - Part 1

"Hi Guys Zach and Brendan, how are you guys? So I just wanted to say, thanks for joining me. We've been having a pretext talk so far so I would like to see. Well so brandon each you joined us let your cellphone dial when out but. I WanNa have the compensation just like three guys just talking about this we're talking about black lives today. So obviously, a seriously sensitive topic I suppose and you guys are in the state I. Think the way that I thought we should do this is a one key guys to introduce yourself first and then you don't have to tell me you're completely you don't tell me you're gonNA flip trumpy by anything like that but if you can tell me. I mean unless you want to. But if you if you want to say you support the movement or you don't support the movement what you think about the BSA Movement I've listened to your podcasts I haven't listened to them completely again the reason why and then completely is because. Don't want to come into this conversation and sort of try and slay you guys down for your views at you have one way or the other my I'm doing this podcast is so I mostly talk about maybe myself being an alcoholic and happened to me while I was an alcoholic is I used to have a very twisted view on life and one night? I. Went To. And these guys would just like. It was like a different group of guys like authentic words, a woman in my first meeting but it's an open meeting minimum can go and one of the things that they said is they listen to similarities not the differences and throughout the compensation of Authroties, people telling me about what happened to them. Well, while they were drinking I realized that the world wasn't the problem I was actually the one drinking alcohol and because I'm an alcoholic I. Can't drink. So I might talk a little bit about my upbringing today in South Africa, and if I talk about that, it's not going to be to say, well, you guys what you're talking about my life was why worse than yours? All you know and and I also don't want you guys to think oh this is just a wide to African, who's got salad gripes because it's now turned around the United States more than I really want to see whether or not you think I understand. What it is, how you think and how you feel and then if you agree with me and you say, yeah, this guy gets what I'm feeling. That's great and if you say, no doesn't get any at all is offering series then you can tell me that as well I'm going to take. Yet sure. Okay. I can go first ever I'm Zach Brandon and I host the say would need saying podcast and so thank you again for for having us on as he said were in the United States I'm in Michigan and I typically lean more conservative in my political beliefs I identify more as a conservative and have some libertarian leanings as well. Obviously have a couple of stances here in there that that go that go more liberal too but generally more conservative as far as the black lives matter movement goes I understand and support the lying movement four lack lives. So when someone says black lives matter because they do truly believe that black lives matter I am in full support of that but I am absolutely not in support of the nation itself and I think that the organization because they've chosen that name even if you aren't referencing the organization in the movement, you're lending credence to the organization and so that's why that's where I fall on the black lives matter movement itself. All right and hey guys on. Currently living in Ohio but I'm originally from Brooklyn New York and Zach and one school together and I think that's what makes our podcasts. So unique because I lean more liberal coming from New, York I have more of a liberal mindset. However, I'm not completely off the wagon more moderate or at least try to be in a lot of my conversations. But in regards to the black lives, matter movement in my support for it. Unfortunately, I must come to realize that the amount of auxiliary or external forces that have infiltrated that name or that monogram has truly allowed myself to not fully support but I originally was a part of why it started with Trayvon or Mike Brown, whichever you would lend credence was origin that's where I fall when it comes to not what's become of it and how black lives matter was used for Chad in Seattle because so many different ways that it was been manipulated and use the. Even black trying to peacefully protest so from his origins I supported. But what it's been turning into in politics and social media, it's a little extra for me. Right that's an interesting actually brandon because I did listen to snippets of your podcast and. Zach you're you're just a pure white. Guy. Risk Super. Okay well, I know exactly what sex GONNA say he's GonNa he's GonNa have sign sign views. But with Brandon you're bit more tricky because I couldn't figure out exactly what you set and I think having hit you say that that sort of Mike that makes a lot of saints the I I do have some views by the way over how black lives matter started but I, think let's let's get into some other things I wasn't going to open with this but I'm quite curious about this. You said something that I found really really quite sad and also found to be very truthful and honest music that in your lost because he said at the moment you're scared of dying. And I don't I think he meant it fairly seriously but he didn't mean it s you is what I thought. You mind expanding on why and how you feel like that if it's it's like a really heavy point to open up on. But since you sort of already leaning away from lack lives matter, I, feel like this might be a nicer to go down Oh. Of course, Eliza speak about now any general person. Had these discussions for any general person like if you're in a zoo and you saw a monkey always again beat by a by the zookeeper right and you saw the first time in my gosh just horrific and then the other monkeys it and granted the monkees a very unique and now almost not the best example, Ella? And and UC zookeeper constantly hit in the monkey eventually after the monkees get desensitize are they gonNA attack zookeeper I'm not radical enough to tech zookeeper because I am living in. However, my love defense desensitization is almost depressing. So when I get pulled over, my fear immediately is death what plays in my head, all the videos that I've seen I've seen cops now only does my stomach sink which has always happened ever since I lived in Brooklyn but now I know for a fact there is proof that if I move to fast If I if I seem threatening if I don't put on a nicer voice, I'm a big black man with over three hundred pounds five ten I'm a big booming person he I tend to intimidate. So I know officers that have a level of intimidation factor when they make certain choices that our mistakes and I don't want my life to be a mistake. So every time I see those see type of law enforcement my mind clicks to say I might die today or I might die pulled over I don't use much turn signal so. If, you haven't heard about anchor it's easiest way to make A. Free. This creation suits that allow you to afford to edit your podcast right from your phone computer. inker also distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on spotify apple podcast and many more. You can make money from your. It's everything you need. In. The free anchor effort goodacre. Start. I'm glad we're doing this as a podcast and I, I, don't see you. Because Now, I can say what I want because I didn't feel that intimidated. Gate, that's against I get I was wondering brandon. What do you think is white guy. How many interactions of your head with the police in the US what you think when you get pulled over. So interactions I'm sorry. No Not Brandon Sorry Zach, sorry. It was going to say as a white guy that'd be nice. I was looking I was looking on my screen and I saw the name Brandon but I was thinking who's aren't I think my interactions with police. I've been pulled over quite a few times for speeding to be completely honest and I think that generally I absolutely do not have the same fears right I. think that my first instinct when I get pulled over I already knew what I was getting pulled over for its annoyance. At myself it's you know frustration it's not an all like I'm not at all worried for my life. I'll be completely up front with that. There was one instance and I don't know if I talked about it I don't think I talked about it in the black lives matter episodes. So I don't know I doubt you would have heard it but there was one instance where I got pulled over for speeding and this was. When I was younger and scrambled to find my insurance card and the cops saw me scrambling and immediately started yelling at me to see my hands and and things like that. So obviously I get that in that instance, there is absolutely that fear and that I still think I thought. I was GonNa die I still think even in that instance I thought a holy I need to I need to do cop wants me to. Do. I need to need to get myself together otherwise. I'm going to get in more trouble than I'm in right now. So there's definitely a different perception. There's definitely for me either that fear of dying that fear of being shot that's not really there and I do think that I've been fairly lucky in my interactions with cops like I've been pulled over plenty of time for speeding only ever gotten one speeding ticket raining. Yes. Yes. I would love to point that out that he you said pull over how many times you've got one being incorrect right I've gotten tickets for Jaywalking. So that the Brandon's I don't. It's US thing and if it's the right thing or whatever it is, but I am a magnet for tickets right so A whatever reason I'm probably the same as you then like I've been pulled over for speeding and every single time I got this was the worst one that happened to me as I was driving with my car and I had I had the bikes on the on the bike rack on the back and I didn't have the licensed. Story this is to two things. So the first one was driving, my registration had expired which I'd forgotten and the police pulled me over and he said look you're driving without a registered car and you're to get A. Thousand dollar fine and we were on to holiday and I suggest olive got another twenty kilometers to drive. Now I can get a registration tomorrow. So what am I supposed to do now and he said well, if you drive now you're breaking the law Like I said does that mean I can drive on does that mean I have to say? And this guy was just being a complete hot as really knew he sort of said well, I'm telling you breaking the law and I said. So if I drive eating over again and then eventually he sort of realized what I was asking him and he said okay, I'm going to go the other way you do what you need to do but it's someone else pulled you ova I'm not going to be there for you. So they were pretty strict as well in that I didn't think I was going to die but I definitely felt a bit sort of helpless. And then another time I, had the bike rack on the COB but I didn't have any bikes on the car and they pulled me over for steering the licensed plate which when I looked at it, I was like there's no way I was obscuring the licensed by trying to do Nile me for something, oh? Wow. Maybe it was slightly obscured, but it was too strict but having said that as well I mean this is the thing that I find interesting is do you attribute the? Fact, that you've had lots of tickets and Zach hasn't had lots of tickets de attribute that to racism or do you attribute that to maybe you've just got bad luck. Now I try what I say plenty of get going to run. INS and those run-ins tend to let me to try to trauma best to have as little interaction with the police as possible. But I know people who've had like they were drunk police stopped him and they you know they were able to drive home. How? Yeah. I have this entire links on our I guess I post it to our facebook page of people just admitting to so many things all we were both drunk and all we had to do was switch the drivers in the police. Let us go. At. That yeah I've had that thing as well. Yeah. Yeah. Also on my end, I want to attribute what happens to me to my personal luck or disadvantage event. So I want to say it's on me. I can't base my interactions for the entirety of police to minority interaction. Is there a problem? Yes and there's better instances but for me personally I just say it's luck or Someone some whom time. Yeah. I. Think for me personally the way that I look at it as well as I unfortunately I do think that racism is something that exists right and I don't think it's ever going to be something that's going to be completely removed from our society. I mean. If you see someone else I'll give an example I spoke to a guy, he was A. I think I can't remember anyway he was from an Arab country and we were having a discussion one night and ended up signed to me a room full of white men is a problem I thought and I ended up saying that sounds a little bit racist and then I said to him, you know when you my I room, for example, because we're in Australia, you're going to be confronted by room full of white men just because Australia has miceli white people and you're going to happy confronted by mostly men because it's mostly men who happened to be alcoholics. So if you think that this is a problem and You Happen to be an alcoholic as well. Then you're gonNA walk away from this room and you walk away from a situation that can potentially change your life is to a degree that you can't imagine because of this prejudice that you've got. But on the flip side I mean if I walked into room and it was like a bunch of women or like a group of Indians or a group of guys group of whoever it doesn't matter if it's a group of people and they were all completely different to me at the very least I'm going to walk in and I'm GonNa go am I in the right place. I don't think that's really a big crime or a sin. What do you guys think about that? So I kind of agree I, think that there's a natural tendency to. Play with and I guess be with or hang around with those the your similar to I, mean, that's just human nature. Now whether that has to be race, I think that's more ingrained in. US than than human nature but regardless, it becomes a part of what people do and so I think it's natural to have that kind of reaction to either identify with people that are like you or. When you're in a situation with people that aren't like you to be a little bit of put or uneasy maybe. But yeah, I think it's more a case like a two. Okay. So let's put it this way. If I am I'm just going to be honest. This is how I feel. So and it's not I don't think it's anything bad with how I without how I see it. Walk into a room with ten guys who happened to be from the Middle East, and if they're all dressed normally by relatively friendly and all the rest of it and I'm like, okay, maybe I'm in the wrong room but I'm not gonna I'm not GonNa feel threatened I saw like I'm looking for whatever maybe if it's if I was looking for like a room that's to do with like Arab cuisine or something then maybe I'm in the right place. But if I was looking for an Iram in my case, for example, then maybe I'll be like Oh okay this interesting I'm probably in the right place because I thought on I went to the right vice but. You're off these guys in the right price. But if I walked in there and they looked like they were dressed like gangsters and all the rest of it and I might see a knife on the table or something like I'm definitely in the wrong room. The does that kind of give you the perspective what I'm trying to to talk about. Yeah I. Think so. How do you think about that Brandon? What do you think about that commented this guy gave me I think there's two degree I can relate and that many of the points I could could ever bring up if you're used to bring brought up in a community with everybody that you look like it's going to be common for you to have some level of uneasiness. Especially, if you're only reference to that demographic is from the news and that's where he it's crucial aspect of it. So it's a for instance. So I know a lot of people who I was their first black friend. In college actually had a really good friend he said in highschool would never talk to you. Had all the prejudices in the world. I would have thought you were GonNa rob, me steal something. Now you've become one of my best friends throughout college and that really moved me because honestly, if you grew up, you know in guess in Ohio and you see the news where every black person you see on the news, he steals robs kill someone. The first in Ucla Room of meat you mark seen if you saw a knife on the floor on the on the table or if you saw of them dressing in clothes if you see a roomful of black people and for twenty years, you saw with the new said, you don't be dressed in white suits and you'll steve knife and see me as. You know you see you hear what trump says about my skin's never hang around Mexicans you'll think everything he's saying is true that is rapists and murderers, and they don't lazy you all these different things. So I a lot. With Zach but foul control room and I see a bunch of white people, which is an American tail for any minority. I don't have fear but I have reality in front of me and I think for what people they see the same. And unfortunately, that means two different things. Well I wonder if you don't mind me jumping in a little I, wonder if the difference too is that desensitization you were talking about because there's also the fact that black people are a minority and so even though there's that uneasiness, you haven't experienced it or I haven't experienced seeing as many black people are interacting with as many black people whereas even if you have that uneasiness around white people are not just you but you know so anyone that's blacker a minority you may feel uneasy but it happened has to happen all the time because there's all kinds of white people right? You get over it extreme with. The bunch of toddlers who show different pictures of people and say what they look like they looked at president is when you assimilate like all the different things of pretty in what's Nice and when you are told to collectively think that way of the majority of whoever rocks majority skin color, which is white you Kinda ease yourself you realize, oh, they're on the money Oh in every book I've ever read Oh there every toy ever made oh, it's just it's me and then this is their world. It's not that way for a seven year old but from a twenty two year old the perspective of minority. I find that interesting because the into Africa I was the minority. So I grew up I'll just give you guys a little bit of background of how I grew up. So I was born in the mid. Four and then a Nelson Mandela was released I think he there was released to become president around ninety four. So I was pretty much seven is all money one, ninety, hundred I remember when when everything changed in South Africa and walking through the streets like I wasn't a all white school when I when I went to school and just sort of towards the end. Of My schooling that changed so that people were allowed to go job school just wow, we had the work has were all black workers and if you went through the city for exalt like we never really went to the city because it was like my parents just thought it would be too dangerous. But if you went through like a little neighborhoods, things like that. I was definitely a minority in in some senses. But it was still reasonably heavy segregated heavily segregated. But one thing that I wanted to touch on in terms of the news that you were talking about before I've been thinking about this a lot for the loss two months maybe since all of this stuff has happened I remember and this is where I was going to say listen to the similarities not the differences especially Brandon because I think I don't want I really and I mean this like from that from the bottom of my heart I, don't want. You to think that I'm trying to belittle the way that you feel or anything like that I. WanNa see if you can understand sort of how I feel and then maybe we can sort of talk through the end. So when I grow up I go to a funeral of a little girl I was thirteen and she was I think seven right and she was shot by some hijackers she was sitting in the house the guys fired a shot it ended up going through the window and killed the school. My uncle was hijacked and shot and killed, and we literally read about hijackings and murders within the small print of the local rag that got dropped on your driveway right so My point being is so many of these murders didn't even make headline news at the end of the night and in terms of talking about being desensitized that's exactly how I felt as well. Like I remember we went to New Zealand when we moved to New Zealand onto nine, there was a guy who attacked who attacked police and he had I think he had a machete in his and his hand was really storming. The police at the time and the police shot him and it made national news like this Guy Tech, the police this is really crazy year lighter literally a year. Later, this case was still on the news and we were laughing because we thought as that's really old and use that got report. You know because that's how used to violence and death and murder we were. It was just like it happened every single day. Now. There's a lot of people in South Africa at the moment who end up not reading the news because it's so depressing agreed. I was wondering from your perspective and that's why that's why I'm glad you brought in the news because and this is a really tricky fee to answer then I can answer it. Even if you want to answer on this, if you really could entre deeply honestly is how much do you think when you walk around in your neighborhood and when you go about your daily life? How much do you genuinely feeling fear of losing your life or being attacked by someone and how much do you think it is because of the news that you watch? I'll reference what I'm this lifestyle which you're painting when I was younger because I lived in Brooklyn I think that makes more of a realistic picture. So living in Brooklyn, a lot of people would assimilate word Brooklyn. Crime stuff like that I guess when you're in a jumble clubbed call New York City, a concrete jungle you have to always have your wits about you not gonNA walk through to Amazon allow Di da you're going to constantly be aware of your surroundings and tried to avoid different sinkholes or planted things that she don't want to interact with. You see some sketchy stuff going on you want to avoid that were now watch the news it's interesting because The crime happens and you know of crime that's not being shown the news. Watch the news you're saying interesting this happened now objectively could be it could just stay there. But if you are like me a young black kid watching the news, just like anybody else every day you're going to see someone that looks us you look in the mirror and you see some type of resemblance to the guy that just got shot or the guy who shot someone guy who was a murderer. It's interesting because if you don't if that's not your image that you've seen and you have your world is portraying you as that, you cannot watch that too many times hurls naturally you will begin to fit that description regardless if you want to or not. So that's a level of me watching the news that I don't think we'll be is not allowed to stop because it's unhealthy to see that. We as a human, you'll. You'll inadvertently start looking like this sorts of even looking like that to someone. So not only depending on where you're at actually got into a car accident not too long ago I was on my bike and I got by a truck my grandparents live. Why did she call the cops and I was like I was in a really Nice neighborhood I'm not. I'm not I'm not GonNa do that because if I'm writing this twelve hundred dollar bike and this old white butte I'd bet hit me I'm sweaty. I'm not doing that. There's too many times once again, this many times in the news I've seen this gone wrong. I'll I fit a description or you mean and granted they may seem extreme but Zach can tell you right now we're seeing in in in the news for the past. TWO BLACK BBC passing on thirty years before what we're seeing since this pandemic, that level of extreme caution isn't horrifically warranted. Would you agree that? Yeah no I agree I didn't make sense the to play it safe and you know in regardless of whether or not it's rooted in. You know I do think that the news plays it up and if you look at the actual numbers that a lot of these cases, these tragic and awful cases are statistical anomalies right but they do still happen and so i. Think it's fair to be on your on on guard I suppose even based on anecdotal incidents because it because it happens and because racists exists because it's because it can happen. Yeah exactly. It's not that it's going to happen to every black person, but it has happened to a black person which is enough. So in America, they had no idea that a pandemic could be this much. So now they know that it be this much right now one of known beforehand but until they've seen it now they understand it. So I'm I'm curious. To. Number in my head. Have you guys looked into how many armed people and also black people have been shot in the US it was a while ago I at one point I had looked last year I don't know what the total was but I think he may remember the unarmed black people I can look it up to. Look it up on thunder took it up yet because this is this is quite important. There's a really good book. It's cold I think it's the rational optimist and what this guy found is a university university lecturer right and he would have his lectures and he would say to people how many people in Africa have got thing water to drink and how many people in India go to school. And what's the right of Indian women for example, go to school and always different things and a lot of it was to do with it. We'll countries and what he found is that all the people who answered a question by all had the right answer but they're onto was at least fifty years at night because they were referencing statistics from sort of the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties. And what actually the actual truth was way better than what these people had realized. But then what he said, what was even more interesting is he would try an update their databank surgery speak right and he'd say okay. So for example. Remember the stats I. Don't want to lie to you guys but. I think it was almost as good as third world countries on now as good as what I will countries were roughly about in the fifties sixties and you have to remember that in the fifties and sixties that was the golden era for many I will countries. But then he said, he basically gave them this new information and then when he gave them new information, they would walk out and then like he would later on find out that they've sort of Sung back into like the old data bank so to speak so it's it's quite difficult to really update your databank. So to speak if you if you want to think about it that way. So with that question safe, you had to guess I don't want to look it up I want you to have a guest or tell me what you think it is if you are. Just lots of here just for just for last year in. Yeah. I Live Brandon go first to just because I know I've I've looked it up before so I would be in the ballpark so I know for I don't know the numbers and I wouldn't even know where to guess but it you in you said in regards to unarmed shootings can yeah exactly. Yeah, I don't know the numbers but I the reason why I don't know the numbers only is because the numbers wouldn't change. Feel when. I thought. I sought Sir because I think this is the other thing as well is at the end of the day. It doesn't really matter what the number is. Right as you still feel that risk within yourself is that right? Yes. Yeah I I kind of figured it would be like that. One thing I kinda was interesting. You said. You know the unarmed shooting officers to pedestrians greg no not actually stupid. So. Okay, I'll give you the number anyway. So I, think the total the total number don't quote me on the total number because I forgot that one. I think it was around. Just under thirty total blacks and whites ought to get l. everyone altogether and think unarmed black ones is an interesting one because depending on which source it's either eight or nine, and then I went onto a US website USA Today and I said, well, you can't just take shootings yesterday ties rings and beatings, and all the rest of answer. If you take that number, it's about thirteen, which is super super super super low obviously like I thought beforehand I thought it would be well into the thousands If you read the news and watch the news I thought, it would be quite hot way at least thousand. But then the other thing also that was interesting as they said. So out of this number, one person had a weapon nearby I think and none of them were innocent people necessarily sorry, not been waiting. It's an maybe they was four or five innocent denies any innocent they was an altercation with the police. So in other words, it wasn't just the police went by and randomly to dry. So to speak you know. So a district in your wits Brandon, it was there was actually caused the police to be at the situation as far as I can tell. You this this gets into just looked up the numbers on I. Think it's Statis- statistics on. Yes. In twenty, nineteen black is fed up brandon. I think the other thing also why this number probably doesn't matter to you in your defense is because you're probably in a study at a point in your life where you go all I can't trust numbers. All right. Yes And it's only because and I try to be as objective and fair spas, and that's what I want to be. Known necessarily known care people no no, but. I try to always give benefit of the doubt I've seen cases that go to the news of depicting one thing, and then a week later I I see the dash cam video or IC- new evidence come up that completely inverse the at the story that they gave me. So when exactly one example I wanted to say is Brianna. Anybody can Hash Brown. It's out and find out everything about that Brianna Taylor was a woman sleeping in a house and the police are trying to arrayed for her boyfriend and the police I a search warrant they heard shots coming in. So they bust in the door and they shot Brown Taylor I think it was I forgot how many times was she was still alive and they did nothing about it. This is all afterwards. So they said originally. They were shooting in she was a suspect and why are the so so much confusion when it comes to something that's being given by the government. If the law enforcement says X. Y. and Z should find this person why is this person dead and none of those cops are taken to anytime custody urine repercussion has happened whatsoever. So that's initially reading a story and seeing how what's actually has contrary to what we know, and there's this is and There's too much disbelief when you see numbers if you Brianna tales are part of that number or barter situation I, know my head or it could be misconstrued. Yeah I agree and I think. New Defense. That's also why would say depending on what you read you probably bitter off to just read no US right because. I mean like the mainstream guys over there is Fox and CNN and then obviously you've got MSNBC. ABC BBC and I think a few other ones down the down the track bay but it's sort of like everyone against Fox more or less as I. See it and I don't necessarily think Fox's the best outlet either I read the daily wire a lot of an you've read much that that seems to be for me the most even though they're conservative just from getting the facts because I icon vote in the US. So it doesn't matter if I support don't support trump because ultimately it's not going to change anything but from being verified and factual, I'd see the daily wire as. Being the most honest because say, for example, the Brian Tyler Cossutta too well. But let's say I mean you guys want to talk a little bit of it's probably being spoken about to death by but you guys want to talk a little bit about the George Floyd case and we can talk about both in terms of what we think happened and what the news reported on it, and because that's really what sparked all of this because I heard somewhere every four years is a b. m. has an uprising if that's true or not, and that's to do with the elections obviously is what? was that I had but you guys WanNa talk about George Floyd Forbid of course ensure. Okay. So what what's what did you think about it Fists Zach? Guy With a with you this time. So I think that. So we didn't upset were we showed the the body cam footage that was released later and so I think there's two aspects to it that I have different feelings about right I I absolutely still disagree with the way it was handled at the end I think Sh-, Alvin still handled it incredibly incorrectly there's video of him keeping his neon, his neck for numerous minutes even after they check for didn't find holes, right? So it's it's still evidences a horrible handling of the situation by them. That said I think it's definitely not what it was described as by the media initially, right because of the the body cam footage I think shows if the interactions leading up to that, it didn't seem indicative of just a purely racist act. It didn't seem like a just malicious handling of the of the of the situation you know they they seem to be handling it fairly reasonably I mean obviously, there are things that they could have done better or worse whatever. But but I think the the actions leading up to the kneeling and the. Kneeling are two different things that I think the kneeling on his neck definitely still deserves criticism and he definitely still needs to go to court and tried for it. But I think that you know there's so much new information coming out that it's hard to judge it as the media judged initially between that and the conflicting autopsy reports and just recently someone came out saying that if they had found George Floyd alone in his house and there weren't a police altercation, he would have ruled in overdose on how much fennel was in his system. and. So it's stuff like that just complicates it I think, and so you know I don't want to come across like I'm saying that Shalva is innocent because he's not he's not and he absolutely handled it incorrectly and should be held accountable for it. But I do think it was blown up into a massive thing by the media that it wasn't the full story when we were it. Early on Yeah I actually agree with you in terms of how sh- Alvin handled it. However, I just send the last two weeks I. I heard a dime on the lowest. But as far as I know, he actually was following procedure within the site that is legal cj but point being is that the procedures is at procedure. So you there's this argument that you can't even. Blame shelving for it because he was just following bad training which he was given. So I find that an interesting point that's going to make this case even more trick you in the courts right while it'll make, it'll help him get off. It'll help them get off the he won't be held to second I don't I second degree murder you may be able to get because of the. Felony assault charge that you could link to but it's you know you see this with police cases a lot that you almost you either get overcharged or people don't necessarily understand. The laws are the rules. People wanted to elevate it the first degree murder and like that absolutely would have been open and shut case would have been thrown out on almost immediately and so I think that yeah, there's. There's definitely changed that needs to happen, but it's more on how the police are trained in how they're trained to handle these situations as opposed to one particular cop doing something quote unquote incorrectly I, suppose what did you think Brandon one what do you think about what happened to George Floyd and then to you're already leaning away from the and movement earlier. But do you think that everything was the aftermath of what's happened? Then where everything is going now Kenosha is obviously one of the major major cities is it that has a lot of riots and stuff. Do you think that it's all been handled rights? Last specific date. A lot of people who are pro black lives matter nails say that they want justice. My question is Derek Sherman was arrested all for the police officers were actually arrested. I. Think they've lost their jobs upping their we'RE GONNA go to court there. It's like so which pot and I'm not saying you saying Israel is injustice when I'm asking this question, it's not I ended you specifically it's just you think that justice is following the right course or which because I'm confused about why? Why why there is injustice I would agree that maybe it's not good that George Village Dot in the first place but given that he died isn't the justice system doing its work at the moment. So when certain things happen I guess in regards to killing unjust the black lives matter seems unjust. There's enough things that happened within a timeline of America that when the whole when when that happened when situation with George, Floyd. The black lives matter movement impounded or compounded it on onto many other injustices also happen. So that kind of brought up the upper, the upper is seeing many officers like shelvin that always have these out salmon circumstances I get them off. So you know the issue is that he was on somebody's neck, and this is the whole premise is, is that white officers tend to look at black? People not as the same they will look at why people or at least in the same situation why people will live longer or be alive. So the thing is the reason I say black lives matters 'cause we're still human that we're the same or the same we manage we are equal to you. So one was that if George Floyd was a white man and the show that we. Had on the just got cancelled television. It's called cops that's been on for thirty one years. I am sure within past thirty one years can find the episode where somebody was high on drugs and was in was not the best behavior wise to officers and I'm sure that didn't happen one time but I'm sure he didn't die and the issues that someone thought it was okay to see. This big it's big huge man that was huge. He sporadic strong. I understand the fear of the fear that you need to have four people on one person that's audio arrested on the ground I. Don't think four humans needs to detain one person. Especially if the head person is on somebody's trachea now granted all these outstanding factors in regards to drugs maybe the cause or has mental instability. But if you press on any area of the body, you know that that supplies oxygen for four minutes. It's already in excess of damage and recourse in regards to eight minutes on the neck that's just inhuman sparking the outrage saying you wouldn't do that to your brethren is because you fear what we are. So to speak that you have to do all these extra costs that leads to our death. Yeah. So this is the thing. So I agree with you that what shelving did was wrong I think where it becomes really and actually it for for again, I honestly I speak from my heart and I don't mean to attack refund writer but I honestly do think that when you start to believe the narrative that lives matter pushes, which is that why people don't see you as fellow human being remember at the start of this conversation I said that I do think that racism is something that. Does exist and I don't think it's something that's going to disappear. But I think once you start to have this way of thinking in your head that why people see black people in a certain light it's sort of like if you want to buy a Mazda, right all of a sudden aniseed masters around and it's the same thing with with Rice's if you want to especially now because the definition of racism is being broadened to such a degree that it's literally in the fabric of our very existence. And like I say, I, do think it's but it's not the fact that it's a fabric distance. It's the fact that it's this deadly poison and I don't think that the term racist means what it meant city is it or ten ten years or twenty years ago even because now if you call a different example, right? So. You guys might have the same thing in Australia. We have a joke when someone's like really strict administration person always call like people were gods. That's like the office Nazia something you know and everyone laughed about it blah. Blah Blah. It's just the office Nazi. I'm living in Germany. Now my mom made this joke to my in laws and they said she said, yeah, the people that were called me this. Awesome. The office. Nazi and my inlaws they were shocked that like horrified they were like, how can you call someone Nazi like that's really Really horrible thing to do and I think with racism it's becoming the same thing like to be a racist is actually a very, very serious claim or serious accusation you could sight and I think yeah I don't think it's a healthy way to to buy and I actually think black lives to be honest with you. I actually think Brek black lives matter is hurting you personally way way way more than what it's helping you and I say that not because I'm trying to sway you away from something I said that because I genuinely believe it. Okay. So black lives matter didn't come before instances police killing seemingly innocent people. It's a level of reaction. So so causing a reaction of almost like a tale of two cities, you're seeing cases in the news and you're seeing one one way one another. For a period of time then you start to believe this narrative that things are happening. Now, I would say and I agree that it's not healthy to already believe that because if you see Mazas than you're going to see a bunch of mosses the question is, why are there Mazas in the first place there shouldn't be any examples of Mazda's how do you mean it's okay. I guess you're saying if you see cases of police brutality as comparing to if you want to get A. You're in the Mazda using a bunch of mosses near in this mindset, and you're seeing a bunch of examples to ratify this mindset. This should be no extra examples of meat. Ve me ratifying this mindset in America that shouldn't be a possibility. There should be instances where of cops interaction with minorities going awry. this mentality yes. So this is the overall reason why brought up what do you think the number of people is that got shot because I it's not because I want to tell you that, hey, you've got nothing to worry about what I'm actually trying to point out is if you think about it, right George Floyd was in the news for like just George Floyd himself was in the news for maybe what a month or more at an I still talking about it was probably about in the news for about a month. Right? Is that I hope you yet its peak, but I've seen and for the because there's nothing else to do in America. So they're gonNA. Fair enough. But Russia Brooks, he was also in the news for a period of time but he was so close to George Floyd being shot actually think he and to be honest with you I actually think Rachel Brooks was a way bigger tragedy than Jordan Lloyd and then off the right shop Brooks has been a few other shootings but I think police shootings is now being the lightest has been Jacob Blake. And this is exactly why I think the news America's super toxic because if racism and police shootings were as commonplace as what the media narrative is you, why would they need to focus on one case for a month? I can I can I can explain the disaster would you like to have a So I think it's sensationalism to be completely honest I think that it's that's where the dollars are. That's where the cliques are I mean I don't have his perspective obviously, but I think that the numbers I think what what you're getting at is the numbers don't back up the the narrative that this happens on all the time and to to people all. Over the place and I think that it's if you rile people up about this one case you know and you have some reasoning do it. You know they are all bad cases. They are all bad examples of police handling situations. We really believe that Zach that the they're all bad cases by the police. Okay. I shouldn't say they all are because now i. Just, three, just these three that I'm. So I think that the evidence issues within police that need to be addressed like increase training or or things like that. I don't necessarily think that they indicate to what we were talking about Floyd H. And Right and Jacob Lake so so no so Jacob Blake I think was justified shoot again, he didn't deserve to no one ever deserves to die or deserves to get paralyzed or things like that. But I think that the cops were justified in that one ray Chart Brooks I think again that they were justified he was the Wendy's riser correct. Okay. Floyd. Is a bit of a different situation. So No, I guess I shouldn't say that they're all quote unquote bad. But they do indicate areas where police can get better but it's not at all what it's played up to be as the systemic and enlarge right issue she grew trump across the board select when and the reason why I want. To hear his perspective before Dave. Mine. Inc, for what that image does and what where's have been associated with that image fuels. A narrative of America can cling to so to see an officer proud in uniform with the badge on top of the neck of a minority individual and the word associated is defunding police or better police training or know. Black lives matter wants to defend the police police reform that image highlights what that could look like or what why you need that to happen. So the other instances they're not as picturesque as the media would like it to be is is is a very, very framed instance wide George Floyd's case is so flagship or these quote unquote liberal liberal agenda to want police reform that conservatives are using that to say, we're against police reform because we're for America and then it gets entangled in many different examples. That's actually a really really interesting perspective I actually agree with you. Feel like you had to take a that. You didn't want to. There's a apprehension like man well, well, I, agree with you. But I, think the problem is I agree with you for a different reason in a sense. So I agree with you in the sense that yes, they can use this to push what they want right-back. They want to de-fund police, and so they pushed that onto you and this is the thing that I think is super super super toxic about you'll media like horribly toxic. They're actually using the rice caught against you in a way, and so that's why I have. Huge. Level of empathy for you. Because I can see you being told by the media that likely being shot by police record, right of numbers and all the rest of it, and then, and then to your case, which is a very, very valid argument is while they're highlighting this particular case to emphasize that this is the fact but there's another side to it as well which is if you say, okay well, why we having adding other because you can let's let's i. what you're saying is true in the sense that it bits a very graphic case that makes the point very clear, right? Now, the message if you look at all the post says and all the rest of it that came out all the posters were pictures of just George Floyd like he's like a head shot basically. It's a picture of him and it's got his name printed out. Right? You don't really see the brutal picture of Calvin on Floyd's neck printed out everywhere. You just see pictures of Floyd. So they're celebrating the person in some sense. So you could then argue, well, if we're celebrating the person, want we celebrating all of the other hundreds of thousands or supposedly number of people that are getting killed as well yet so I can directly answer that it is being celebrated in the black communities throughout. The communities that reside in online. So you know my community is with a mixture of people a myriad of racist but I, you know I'm I'm I I'm black on. Jamaica. So all of my interactions predominantly should be black and it is celebrated. All these people are celebrities. The names are said, their stories are said I, think the first time up until extreme and Dole currencies over the past fifty years is the first time where minorities aren't black people are truly looked at as a victim. We have been I never in my life have I ever heard so many people say or in defense for black people I, it's a new thing for every black person in America we have were tied between every person that quote unquote. Trump hates me or I can go switch stations and they're talking about funding schools that I went to. It's the first time I've ever heard this narrative that we're the victim and people can try to help these people who've been victimized when I've always seen on the news that we are than tag. And, the aggressors. So this is the first time for me to see that as a whole. When I it's dangerous when that narrative gets extended to its logical extreme, which I think we're starting to see now in more recent cases right so I when we brought up those three cases, you know I think that obviously George Floyd was the the quote unquote least justified by police. You know even if he was doing his job, you know it's still was a bad handling of it. You know and then followed by stuff like Restart Brooks or Jacob Blake where they are assaulting the officers or they are in the case of shooting the Taser you know or they are. You know the the situations are very different. And I think when we've reached the point now where any case of a black individual being shot by white individual gets played up by the media as this tragic indicator of a systemic crisis that's going on and I think that's dangerous because with any group you you know it's the same way that the me too movement wound up it started with great intentions and then it devolved into believe anything women are saying and immediately believe allegations not for everyone and obviously that's not what it was meant to be. But that's What it gets to in people's minds to the point where you know Jacob Blake like I said the guy, you know it's a tragic situation, but it does not warrant. I don't think a Justice for Jacob Blake Movement I really don't think it does personally I think Jacob Blake deserves six year justice I like I. Think he was like one hundred percent clear cut good case and I'll tell you. Okay. So do you guys know the background of Jacob Blake and while the police were there in the first place? Yes. Yes. So they and that's where it gets even worse as that. Now the media isn't just playing up the narrative they're they're changing it right the the story was that he was there to break up the fight between two women and that wasn't the case it he they were there because the woman who had a restraining order against him because she had a he had allegedly sexually assaulted her and abused her multiple time. Yeah. I'd called the cops on him because he was there and he shouldn't have been. He had stolen her keys and then like it was, it's a completely different story than what was told told was he was there being the Good Samaritan breaking up A fight when really he was there doing criminal action and then resisted police resisted being taste reached in his car for who knows why right who you know who knows if the knife was there for that reason who knows but it's just a very good story where if you were to hear that story and weren't told to the race of that person I think a rational person would look at me like well, all right. No one deserves to get shot. But maybe yeah, the cop the couples more or less justified in doing that what I find really interesting, right so by the I remember when I was driving, this was also in Australia in south. Africa so. Because, we will sit South Africa's also begun country and starting Cedeno Veasley has gotten so I. Can I can understand the gun culture I suppose that you guys live in. We always had some white parents had. Both my parents had guns as well, and we always thought someone breaks into your house because you don't know what the the guys breaking into houses going to do. Pretty much, you've got a right to defend yourself much like in America. But then I remember when I was about thirteen or fourteen I think it was just before we let South Africa they changed this law where they said people in South Africa also there's a lot of people who walk around with a guy forty not like in the streets necessarily but a lot of people have forty sevens like like America semi, automatic machine guns and. They, said the challenge to slow and they said if someone breaks into your house, you not allowed to shoot at them or shoot them unless they fire at you. I and I remember thinking as a child So these people can come into your house with an AK47. Currents of got gotten. So they're already disadvantage and they can only shoot once being shot at which means that you probably to die and then or at least have a bullet in your in your body somewhere, and then you can defend yourself and that's what it was ridiculous. I feel like with especially with this Jacob case I feel like people are trying to advocate law. Similar to that because I can't help but think. So in my mind, this is what happened police wrestled with Jacob Lake. Right. So obviously before that, they must have spoken to him. They didn't just get there and wrestling, but there's video footage of them wrestling. He's on the ground he throws them off because he was a strong dude, he they've got the guns on him. They've ties it him. He's walked not just around one side of the car is practically run walked a whole u-shaped angle around a car and they kept yelling at him obviously telling him to stop they let him opened the door and only when he reached into the car that's only when they shot him. So to me, it's just like at what point you know like I think been lifted as long as they could. Personally. With. That case so not every case holds hold holds up after the details come out. That's one of the don't that. That's yeah. That's not a bad example for them to use to to try to bring a parkas granted much. So my father worked in rikers island, which is a huge jail in New York City he said it was just a Trojan protocol and it was just their choice as as an aggressive protocol. They have that choice people have issue with the choice that they made. By. A standard if someone is reaching into a vehicle and officer unit. Did all the preliminary things that you need to do. This was just a protocol choice to shoot them rant granted. The issue is, are you shooting in because you saw justice to do on that scene because when you shoot someone one time, you could argue that that's to apprehend the the issue and what the is. What we're black lives matter brings in is how how is the mentality to detain someone if you shoot them seven time? At. That point was to to kill or to to put him down because at that point I think I don't know I can't speak for the cops obviously but I mean at that point you've tried everything else he's he's getting away and to me the biggest factor in that specific cases, the kids in the car. You know you don't know what's going to happen. You don't know if those are them become gonNA become hostages if he's GonNa shoot or kill the kids, right? You don't. You don't know and the fact that this person has done everything that we've described I think at this point whether or not it was needed to kill him. Once, you stack on top of all that stuff that we've talked about now the potential for him to draw weapon and try to kill you I. think that's where that justification comes from. I think with the officer did was just one of the choices that he had. He just made that choice is it right or wrong? I'm not to choose that. But the the issue is the level of aggression people were saying that there's other instances where cops wouldn't shoot. Personal hasn't seven times. Yeah. Well I. I. Agree with you I was thinking about that as well because the only reason why I would say seven shots were bad is because I can imagine if What he's children with eight, hundred, nine or something, and if I'm a nine year old child and I see my dad getting shot seventeen I. IF I see my dad getting shot once it'll be horrific littler watching my dad gets shot this many times by anyone regardless if it's a blue self store not and I think those children are going to be traumatized, their lives and that's a really really horrific situation for them to be that they'll have to live with forever. So from that perspective I, don't think seven shots were justified but then there's two other things is we have to remember that one shot can also kill a person. So whether it's once or seven, it's while he he I mean, the fact is I've seven shots unite. But. One one shot could kill and then I watched I took the other day where the police pulled over someone and they walked up to the car and it was literally like just the random stop like sort of like quote unquote broken highlight situation you know and I walked up to the car to full a registration and this guy just started opening fire them. He got out of the car the officers were taking cover and he kept firing at them. I think I don't. If, the offices survived or not they definitely had bullet wounds in the naked see and I also find that this guy, the guy ended up getting back into his car and drove himself to the hospital with a bullet in his head for surgery. So. Even with and this is your point Zach is at at that point when they shot him seven times, they must've thought this guy is an absolute weapon not in the good, sense. This guy is this guy is a danger to society right now and we need to take him down because if we don't take him down now. I could happen and we have, and this is the point is we have to have trust within an old countries, the US strata and New Zealand wherever you left Germany we have to have trust with Nepalese force that are making the right decision. Right and I think to your point Brandon about the choice that he made I think that I agree with you that we should be critical of the of the choice of police are making and when they can make a less aggressive choice that they absolutely should and agree that there are cases where police will take a more aggressive option with with black people or minorities than they would in that same instance with the white person right. But but I don't know if that matters with where the movement has gone anymore, I? Think that if the COPS had. Shot. Jacob Lake in the shoulder and then pulled him down to the ground with him with them. I think that they're still would have been immense. I think that at this point, it is devolved to the point where I mean there was another case and I don't don't quote me because I don't remember what the name of the guy was or where it was or or anything but there was a case where police shot an armed gunman, an armed Lacombe, and there were still outrage about that. Even in the case where they were getting shot at, you know there was a news headline where two cops I don't know if it was CNN or who would was like two cops went up to to a black, a black person at a stop and all three of. Them wound up getting shot and it's like well, that was the guy in the car shot the two cops and then another cop came and shot the person afterwards you know because they shot the cops and so I think the spin that is being attributed to these stories and with the the level of animosity attributed to really any of these cases I agree one hundred percent that they need to the the quote unquote best option they have in the least aggressive when possible. But at this point I don't know if it matters to the mob, the APP, you know the people that are writing and protesting this stuff I think. Even. If they had taken a quote better option a less aggressive one I, still think that I still think it would have received the same the same criticism that doesn't make it right. But but I think that you know it shows that there is an issue but there's a time and a place to be less aggressive and I don't think those are the present in the average person's mind right now. I want to shift gears for a little bit and this might be we might end up going into a into an area where none of us are really. experts at all but who cares right so Let's say for an ex let's pretend br. Especially Zach, thank you and I have more or less the same outlook on this so far in terms of how this has been handled brandon you've got a different view, but I wanna I wanna see if we can look at this whole problem holistically from a completely different angle. Let's say for an example, you guys know much because you know. I heard you guys talk about this as well about beyond being a Marxist organization. And what do you guys think about that and how dangerous do you think that is? I think the main reason it's dangerous is the semantic. That's been attributed to black lives. Matter I think that if they had another name, if they had a name that wasn't being cancelled by non Marxists. That wasn't being chanted by people who are genuinely in the movement because they care about black lives matter. I think it would be less dangerous. I. Think. The reason it's dangerous because they've commandeered this commonly used phrase that more or less everyone agrees upon that then lends credence to their organization every time it said and even if you aren't a Marxist even if you aren't Communist. Or you don't support the organization you know going out with a black lives matter shirt or sign or whatever inevitably will lead to more donations to that organization. It will inevitably lead to more credibility for the organization and I think it's just flying under the radar for a lot of people I think a lot of people just genuinely don't know even though they've publicly claimed it. You know announced it. It's more dangerous than a lot of people would believe. and. So what do you think is about the okay. So you pretty much wholeheartedly believe that the movement is a Marxist movement? Yes. Well. So they the organization yes the meant the movement I would say is being hijacked by a Marxist organization I do believe that most people out there marching for black lives matter aren't Marxists don't necessarily agree with Marxism but I think that the organization absolutely. Okay. So you see the Movement UC, the movement as being people protesting the average joe protesting police brutality, and then you see the organization as the heads, the guys who actually running, right right but I believe that. Right or not? Yes. But I think that the organization seeks to make them less and less unique. I think that the organization in trying to garner support an in trying to gain credibility is trying to cast these these protests these rights under their umbrella then say, well, no, this is this is what black lives matter is. Now now that we've got you on board with police brutality, let's get you now on board with you know more Marxist ideology that's where I begin to. Question what my Hashtag means in the world for what it was for why it's for ys origin was created I have to be a black lives matter support because I, am a black life I matter I can do the same wrong as any American citizen I think I deserve to live with over repercussions that Mike wide counterpart would have in regards to black lives matter as what Zach can see it as a lot of people I'm sure are not well versed in March, Therion who call Marxist or understand that level of association. Originally Buzzword Disney have a head leader like it was just a movement in have a spokesperson. So over the course of whether be no conversations in the back rooms or what have you there's now clinical a leader in this now quote unquote voices that speak on behalf of black lives matter when there wasn't one head voice speaking on behalf of black lives matter now people can use and legs exit us. And inverted into their narrative when I was never signed up for that secondary narrative that tertiary narrative. If. I were present black lives matter. I don't represent what you're trying to make it out to be I know what I'm here for and what this means to me how how an again it's it's meant not in an attacking Sentinel A. But how am I appreciate by the way that we can speaks openly about this, I've been wanting to talk to people with a different mindset for ages. Now sets a genuinely appreciate it but I've got a question. How sure are you that the black lives matter movement was started on what he wants to believe it was started on. This is what it really was started on another other words if if I said he, you don this hill and. If we city, if you teach me, black mattis was started with a different premise to what is now and. I said to you. Are you willing to die for that use that sure that was started for a different reason see asking met have is what I was getting to to, and this is the interesting aspect to I guess a bigger conversation. We'll get to their get there one day when black when, when someone says blackflies man how explain how I explained to myself in how the people who are sharing initially explained it to. Ourselves is that these instances show that we don't matter compared to our counterparts we need to matter now it is very correct in the American culture to explain or to find the quote unquote right reason for different instances. So you may have some evidence that says that it was originally created by this this this, but it's interesting and that's the society that now might be on a limb here but that's where my mind is going that. Superior is telling me where my origins came from where my support has come from. You're not going to tell me how I should view something that's affecting me. It's like someone saying Oh you support black lives matter. Did you know that this does this but did you know I'm still a black lives meet affected by this? I don't the rather the origin is right or wrong or or or originated for many people in how it was I guess how it was. Coined was why I tag along and I'll die on that hill. But for what the hill has aggregated, I can't support all that I don't. I can't support all the different aspects of what's going on this on Fox News? Saying Hey, I'm the king of black lives matter I don't know who you are. You say say Elsie if I get you onto right so you're saying the reason why you personally you know that the reason why you personally joined. Around think you're a member of so and said like that. But the reason why you got on board you could say with the whole. Movement or whichever you want to call it. You will hill because you know you did that from a genuine and a pure reason within your own heart, right but. I would also say that whether I'm a supporter are not my complexion already kind of chose my society what side I'm on. And this is what that what you just said that this is what I find. One of the things I think. Is as toxic as can be because so I'm just going to be honest with you guys, and if you think, I'm right. Continue I want you to understand that from our perspective. Who Will we do in for as a person I? Want you freely speak because I feel like that's an aspect of society it's law. So from here. Always worried because I know this because I told you guys I record this and I'm going to publish the whole thing. So. Mixing. By someone else. For you. All right. Okay so Into Africa. When I was brought up in South Africa, we were pretty much brought up and whether it was overprotective, not overprotective with the my parents had the right stats or the wrong stats. It's really irrelevant. It doesn't make any difference, but I was taught to be very. Cautious or scared of black people because we vote that you know the and if you think about it in a different way. So this was about five million white people and forty or forty, five, million black people at the time, and then even if it's just one percent of the black community that's site people who do bad or less than one percent like one one percent of forty million is still very big number and. Especially, if you've been the small number of white people that are they, right so there is this sort of feeling and then I remember I had for many years I had this trained reflex reaction that it's not that I, height black people but that I would almost be a bit scared when I see a black person, which is what what which is your argument with the police against the black people. This is the. Way With a whole. This is in defense of your your argument. So my point is in the last couple of years I've actually. Made a conscious decision to try and get rid of that because I I realized that that is not actually a genuine impulse at its trained impulse that. Trying to learn and I did get rid of that impulse. But since this whole thing has happened and I'm in Germany. But now when I see a black person, my immediate reaction is a wonder if this person's probaly monotonous. Right a horrible thing to be thinking because I wasn't thinking that before. But since George Floyd now I think it and I think that's at for black people that I think that I don't think it's a good thing for you guys. I want to I have to speak on something that you said. In your in your in your favorite. So you're not. Because I thought I slide by. No I think and I love it because it's something I've traveled to different countries outside of America I think. You have the objectivity and I. Guess you have the balls to stand on something that many Americans cannot admit you have confidently whether whether you were shaking when you said it confidently said that I've been rate and you can even hear it any I. The fact that you said you're still learning, you're trying to actively change your initial kneejerk reaction was the black people versus the white people that's from your let's let's s ingrained number accident and not it's ingrained in the culture of African. Naturally, that's going to be your your vocabulary, your mindset you the fact that you're admitting that I was raised this way in I need to change. Because that was not something ingrained mentality many Americans can face that fact. Think until Americans. Because of a grand is one of my stance that try never to say but in America I, can I have touched on it in America natural you have to be racist if you're white not in a bad way if you naturally see only ten percent or never see black people and the first time as culture, you see this random thing that you see on the news does bad stuff thin is mysterious does music and snap and make music like it sounds like some type of fairytale you're going to have some type of fear. Is this until you're actively choosing to change that narrative, your national can have that permission and that prejudice because it's been ingrained for the entirety of America. You would have to actively change and I appreciate you even saying that that means that there's a possibility that everyone can change. Zing. No worries. No worries at all I think this is my this is my problem with the in movement Brandon is that the movement I seriously think they're instigating racism way more than what they're helping racism and I mean that absolutely sincerely, because loss thing that I want is to see more countries go up in flames because of quote unquote racism when the and look whether the racism as prevalent. So I, I kind of. Actually. I will back up what you said about the ten percent and not seeing people because I've had two stories both of them I actually really funny to one is do with to do with a group of people and the other one is to do with a group of white people. So it was a white lady remember who it was anyway she she. was on the ship and it was just a ship full of white people should never ever ever seen the black person and then she sees a black person didn't do anything wrong at all. It was just black person and she reeked out because she still that it was the devil and this is like a long long long time ago in the fifties or something. In Alabama. Probably. But then also hit the flip story flipside where. White woman was brought into a very black community and I thought that this visit ghost into the community because this I thought the person was pretty much like transparent. You know. You guys the black black community. Saying the black community because I it makes it sound like it's old just sign but black people in America are a minority that's for the foreseeable future. The way that it's going to be there's going to be people that are going to be bigoted, and there's going to be people that have just come across a black person and might treat you with a certain type of reaction to your point because of what they've seen on the media or something like this along the way. site. For example, you go into a hotel and the hotel sort of realize that you're black guy and you book this room online and that'd be like, aw like and they start a new and you realize that they still give you the room but they act a little bit Austin. You realize that they're not totally happy with the fact that youth this hotel or that you get pulled out more often than men a white person for example, because I've seen these statistics on this as well. Now, you have to answer this question for yourself as opposed, but it's the price of paying. This level of baked in racism. So to speak is the price worth paying that or is it so bad that the entire system needs to be thrown over for this level and not not talking about police brutality or anything like this I'm just talking about like people having different personal prejudices, but they're not treating you with hatred they're not not saving you. They're not unites just literally just someone realizing this is a black guy and I'm a white guy or something like this, and you know like maybe you can tell they slightly racist and this goes both ways you know like I'm sure. I'm not sure I know this black people who are racist. Well, you know. So white people have to deal with element of racism that people don't like us and vice versa and not all black people not all white people just some people, but we still get along broadly speaking. So my question is, do you think that the level of current racism is enough to keep going or do you really believe it needs to be overthrown? Like would be LMS preaching from my perspective in mind this question has around one hundred activists for the past century on my back in my ear ready to answer this before I do. It's interesting that I wouldn't say I'm not an African. American but I am black. I am Jamaican American. My roots are not ingrained in America many other people here. However, I feel the same plight because of the same tree. So as a whole, there needs to be things that are rewritten for I guess the equality of the American citizens so up until President Obama. Last year, he changed the wording in many of the documentation of the constitution unless of different in a different. Amendments from using the term Negro and saying a black person. So even up until two thousand and sixteen, the Term Negro, a racist term is still ingrained within our American. Legal system things like that needs to be changed and I'm sure he did as much as he could. But there's so many different aspects when it comes to the Clintons Law I think it was the one two three rule you get some type of charge, your different twenty, five to life or If someone really get caught with cocaine. If you were found with crack, you get four times. The charged and cocaine was found in white communities and crash on communities. There's so many different laws and just different instances like as a black person, my hair stands up when he grows out, that was considered unprofessional. So the head nationally rose out of my hair is worth being fired over things like that I don't think is across the board I don't think someone of a white demographic if they had their hair how it naturally grows out, you're not labeled to be fired or to look unprofessional. Naturally look? Unprofessional I naturally LOOK UNPROFESSIONAL I challenge you that I've got a friend who is is why does anything and he's he said to me. I was probably slightly by when I was growing up and I. Remember we went for a run and just before we're not for run I was like city brush my hair, and he was like dude, going for run and we. Talked about this a little bit and they said to me, yeah, he's just he's given up on his looks because he realizes that the way looks is never going to be able to change and it's not is not an attractive person at all and he looks like he looks and so I I mean I I wouldn't say, and also for me I had I wanted to grow a beard when I was working in advertising and in many advertising industries many advertising companies having bid was this whole Metro look and my company said to me flat out that you're not allowed to grow the beard and shave you look like you look like a sasquatch which I'm sure that that would be considered racist. Any black guy looks like the sasquatch at night that would draw a fence but that's what I was cold so This Rumsfeld Malaza will reverse. These were laws that I can't have dreads. I don't serve. It was a law that you can have your beard. Wasn't a law night. It wasn't a low, but it was a company policy. So I think it's I didn't think that's a okay law maybe different anything that any person say if you're talking about a person in that corporate situation, do you think of any person in the corporate situation with professional? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course I I don't think your hair as dictate your level of education or you level of intellect you level of skill for that particular job I think you can have neat dreadlocks or compliant. But. If you just have your hair Colt bag you you can have your hair neat. But that doesn't walk inappropriate. Aware enough I mean I don I don't have a particular stance on on personal grooming I actually did an experiment to grow my be it as long as I go I might be it on facebook but. Like it's like pretty bad spirit that I had. To Shave it. Oh, for because I. Feel It. Now that I'm looking for a job in Germany, I feel I'd better get rid of it and my parents hide it like it's very much A. Dividing dividing thing having a mad long be and having long hair as well. Will you back to the question? I do think that there's anything that needs to be rewritten or just recast for. A more even America but. In order for that to happen America, we'll have to see everyone in America as equal and I don't think that's which petit think you're being seeing unequal as well. I. Mean read the One, analyze it from a what I would say the black lives matter movement like the instances of police brutality or just how okay. Like the say for instance, you're black person and you were to put your house on the market is actually recently came out a mixed couple Rizza white couple the mixed couple had their house depreciated forty percent because there was a black person same same instance but because of black person with house was depreciated forty percent that's one example. Hang on say I'M GONNA BE I'm going to be a real bad devils advocate say like you personally, how do you think that you personally have are being treated on equal I try not to live my life viewing because if I were to, I can't give you a clear answer because I can't I cannot exist in society that mindset I'll know that perfect. Yeah, and I think that's my overall argument. That is exactly my overall argument is if you buy into the fact that you're being treated in Xyz and that was where I was saying with the whole master situation that was my argument is if you buy into the fact that the world is against you, you will find onces you will find it everywhere because the world is a. Super Super Super. Hot Place to live and and I think the world was against me and then I realized like I said, I was just an alcoholic and I was actually stop drinking a lot of my problems would go away and I I think people should draw the adopted the mindset that you have, and even if the world is against me sometimes because that does. Happen, you know like a, there's going to be things that happened that are that are wrong. But even if that happens to me, I'm still going to have to live my life. The best way that I can it's like gives me a lot of hope two years someone who has gone on the side of the side and and who can still sort of awesome me that. So I'll give Kudos back in Tim's of being on his back and saying, well, I I can't live my life that way because if I live my life that way. I don't think it's not your exact words, but if you. Mind me saying so that eventually essentially leads to your own day for your demise, right? That's more ten right it. Can't be an out on the flip side to that. Now, this mindset, this more jovial kinda systematically nonchalant per perspective that I have I would say that it is beneficial correct in a success in my life to not dwell upon things that actually effect community and the reason why I say that is because you know we both have the same perspective that the life is going to be hard regardless. But if we pick us by bootstraps where everything's GonNa be okay, right but there's not actually bit. I'll stop you there because this is where I think people make mistake. It's if we pick ourselves up a good straps, we give ourselves the best chance that things might be. Okay. That's that's. A huge difference there right. I was the reason why so those because in your if you think back, there's not a boogeyman following you. So you can live your life as free as you want I live my life as free as I want free to do right and wrong. But the Boogeyman is when I do something wrong. My chances of leaving this earth lot more than you you would be. So I can live this life. But when I drive my car in the police role by all that optimism is out the door and I'm scared speechless if I get pulled over and this guy is not having a good day, this'll be my last day and unfortunately it's not the proper mindset but it's my television. Might my society has poisoned my mind of being? Paid by the police and there's many if I were to show any person that matches whoever the attack is show you years of video footage you'll walk outside of defrayed of any person that might get summer anybody and it's unfortunate. But that's the more more real perspective. It is interesting that you say 'cause I have that was another question that I wanted to ask is it is interesting that you say it's television has done it so. And Greek me if I'm wrong like he can tell me if if what I'm about to say is wrong but it doesn't strike me as though you were brought up to believe like this because that's what a lot of people that's I've heard this argument which is like the community you get brought up saying the police are going to kill you but it doesn't sound like that was the case with you at least anyway you. Brought up by the television cutting the police GONNA kill wreck because my father my and put on a uniform. He had a gun he wore the badge of the NYPD use a correction officer. He didn't. You know wasn't in the streets and especially back then that perspective wasn't as intensive as now but I can't answer the hate them pd the near police. Department. If my father's a part of it, I can't despise him and I'll have instances it wasn't as put on television to have these horrific levels of animosity towards anybody with that badge there wasn't any type of coalition my blue-light matter that are opposed my level of being off as a Jamaican. American Perspective of immigrants to black American single they get killed by cops immerse himself. Drugs don't be a part of them. You're not them. That's what many many Caribbean parents can attest to whether to say that directly or not. So No, I was not necessarily raised to despise the police are to always think that the world's against you mother always told me that you're GonNa have to work twice as hard as any white man in America because I was an American thing not necessarily black, American. That's not necessarily a bad white to raise your children because it instills a seriously good work ethic within you I would say and that's that's a good thing. Zakho was going to ask you though. To get back to you I wanted to check. Random SORTA says he's happy. Go lucky attitude disappears very quickly when he sees a police officer and you said earlier that with police officers you you don't have that same thing. But how do you feel at the moment when you talk about your political leanings or when you even talk about black lives matter I don't want to I'll just say the question then I'll tell you I feel because I don't WanNa bite you know I've almost exclusively stopped talking about outside of the podcast because I've been dubbed a bigot a racist A. You know every every name in the book because of my views on black lives, matter because identify as a conservative and because I voted for trump in two, thousand sixteen, and so these things someone finds out that and immediately in today's climate especially that then is associated with a lot worse and so so yeah, I've had numerous people both publicly and privately call me out as racist because I don't agree with the organization I've had all kinds of negative interactions like that, and so I think that it's hard to speak up against. Something, and I, think this is part of the danger in the black lives. Matter Organization is that because it's founded on because it's taken such a widely accepted statement. When you come against that in any way, it comes across like no I don't think black lives matter and that's not that's not at all the case right? I absolutely agree with a lot of what they stand for and I agree that police reform needs to happen on some level and I agree that you know change needs to happen and that people should acknowledge racism and things like that. But so so yes. So when I when I discuss it with people, that's that's you don't WanNa say it's always where it leads but especially with my more liberal and progressive friends, very often what the conversation devolves to So I guess say my onto to it is that and this is why I was so scared to even say. How I you know how I was raised because you're you're petrified at the I. Am I'm petrified at the moment of even having this discussion, and I just see that this. I've. Had to take it upon myself to say look this is something really majorly wrong year at the moment and if identity something and the next guy doesn't say something and the next guy doesn't say something been, we're all GONNA end up in a really really bad place all of us to get up and I feel as though. So it's Brandon. In terms of the your happy go. Lucky attitude. You know I'm I'm pretty happy. Go lucky guy but. My I fear was that if I do this podcast with you guys and I'm scared I'm scared this podcast viral all the wrong reasons. I'm scared that you like I'm I've got some Antifa dude like the live in Germany and there's Things spray painted on the on the side of the or walks the pedestrian walkways year as well, and there's Posters and I think well, if this goes viral I, don't know who knows where I live and maybe I'd get attack might be I get rich to something. Did you see the guy who got shot down for being a trumper? Yep Yep. So I think I had one point that I wanted to bring up just kind of along these same same lines i. think that is one of the largest reasons why I disagree with the Black Lives Matter Organization is because they think they did play into everything that brandon you're describing why you stand behind black lives matter. You know again I stand behind as a loosely associated term whatever but they were founded in two thousand, thirteen like. When the MMA trayvon Martin case happened like black lives matter formed and it wasn't just a statement to like the organization formed then to, and so I think even back then even though it was a lot less incendiary in a lot less Marxist and a lot less this, the organization was still on some level pulling the strings and associate beginning to associate themselves with that term and with that saying and then hooking in for lack of a better term. People like you that only agree with that that statement right don't agree with Marxism or don't agree with these more radical beliefs of tearing down the entire system, etc. But then once they were able to garner that credibility early on now they've kind of come out of the Woodwork and spoken their truth and said like, okay yeah this is you know we've been around since two thousand thirteen we've been fighting for this in this this, and this is now our solution that we're putting forward now that we have this kind of support. Completely agree. Have you guys read much on Marxism Communism, not since I had to do it in high school. What well from what I'm hearing about your your education system in the US you guys have been caught now is a good thing. To be underlying heartbeat. What do you guys think? Okay. So tell me just broadly speaking another not I'm not an expert on all but I've I've watched and read a reasonable amount on that What's your overall feeling and be one that you sort of talk to someone who's trump supporter right and then someone people limited got a heathen Nazi without really taking into account. What a? Nazi genuinely. Talk to someone who's opprobium, and then the first thing is like he's antique for or like. Or Communist and my question is do you is actually think that being a communist is a good thing or a bad thing or not such a bad thing or not such a good thing like what's your? How how bad do you think it is if you think about Marxism and Communism Zach when we go quick because I, know for a fact that mine is going. To be quick, I have no current standings that can establish any proper definition even differentiating Marxism versus communism, which is again why I can't fully Sam behind what black is matter I guess to the general public has starts integrate I. Don't know of that. I can't even speak on more than three sentences. So Zach definitely would have to have more information on that as a whole. To my question isn't whether or not? You think black lives matter is a Marxist or communist organization right? Like as a whole. What do you think about it? There's a good or bad. Yeah. Right. I have no idea which is the same premise of why I can't believe that. Okay. So what did you learn in high school then? GOING BACK ON YEARS Sure. So I think it's important to distinguish between quote unquote true communism and what communism realistically turns into The the the old adage of true communism has never been tested or you know things like that communism as a system is basically economic structure where the means of production are commonly owned they're not owned by either the state or any kind of group of leads or you know in our case, it would be the rich capitalists You know the absence of stuff flake government end and social classes and things like that, and so it's really the the that's kind of the quote unquote true origins of it you know and with Marxism you. Know that's that's where the ideology starts. Would it winds up being is Marxism devolved into Leninism. Leninism turned into Stalinism and Stalin is like that is where communism leads is because of the way because of human nature and because of just the workings of the world, it doesn't turn into that it turns into some individual or group of individuals with power controlling both the means of production, and then the the society as a whole right. If you look at Stalin and you look at G. and some of the more larger communist governments, right it leads to. Touted as this workers revolution. In this, you know things like that, but it winds up devolving into. A authoritarian sort of government style and so it. I think whether or not it's good or bad. I think people a lot of people have good intentions I. Think a lot of people think that it's a morally good system in a a quote unquote fair system but I think that. While for one I disagree with that on its face because I do agree with the idea that well, if you work harder than it makes sense that you earn more. But I think the reality that devolves into its killed millions of people it's killed like it's killed. It's just as bad if you look at how many people killed the negative impacts of its hat on countries and everything like you can compare it to Nazi fascism not in there not the way that they run things because clearly they're two different polls on the spectrum but what it leads to an authoritarian government than winds up killing people and restricting rights on on some level. And I find it very interesting that you went to the economic rate I whereas when you talk about nazi-ism people talk about the deaths I win the reality is that the deaths were at least the same if not more under. Stalinism and their mouth and I think this is the biggest problem. Do you guys read a lot at all I'm beginning to? Yeah. Okay. So like just if you want to be beginning to read a lot and you want to read it really quick book, that's very, very easy to read Have you guys read animal saw? No okay. So put that on your list as the first one to just read because it's like it's it's it used to be called Animal Farm that child the fairytale and it literally means like a fairytale. You could read it in diets that easy to read. And then the other books that you should definitely read is a book called the Gulag Archipelago. Now, basically, a once go into animal too much because it's a, it's a really easy one but explains to you how communism is more or less how it. Comes about you'll remember reading that one that's the latest. Yeah. Okay. Animals on the farm exactly, and then the farmer forgets to feed them because he's strong can then but maybe read it again now that you haven't because clearly you guys didn't pay attention in school. But it's a good book to read to get you back into it. Now, this is the thing is I don't think the average person genuinely understands just how dangerous communism and Marxism really really really is, and this is why people can quite easily say I don't mind black lives matter but I don't support the organization, but I will go in March with them and the reason why I say this is so dangerous is. Read Alexander shows in its he wrote the Gulag Archipelago. Now he was a Russian guy and he was, I think he was a teacher and then at some point he was in the military anyway they would win the Second World War happened. So Russia health allies to destroy to overcome Germany and he said what happened to all the allies they went back to their countries and they were heralded as heroes and everyone like even now. Yet you've got people remember officials will probably more. So but people in countries are remembered as being euros. You said when they went back to Russia, they were actually thrown into the gulags, the Russians or the Siberian prison system. Because the Russians were paranoid that that learn something about the west and they weren't. They didn't want that line of thinking to come into the society and I don't think this is necessarily an accurate way to think about Oh, well, I, just sort of came up with this little sort myself but there is the is factual that Stalin I think through his first wife into a mental institution and he has a son was murdered or something like this is well. So think about if. You go that fought to to kill someone. That's so close in relation to you how sick you think this whole ideology has to be that even in effect takes the guy who's leading himself on a psychological level because that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah and I think I agree with you when you say the most people don't focus on the deaths in the murder, right? Most people do focus on the economic side of things and that's why I think most people that identify with it. Their hearts are in the right place. They have good intentions I. Don't I don't think you're bad person if you are in America today advocating for Marxism because you agree with black lives matter organization, right crop doubt they're out there to. Most, of them I do think they have good intentions but I think that they don't understand what that is going to lead to what Marxism really is and what communism really is. Exactly. There's a there's a thanks you brought me back to my point is this is the section in the book. So they basically if you've hit over before sorry but since he said, you've don't know. Anything in Yemen paid attention on, just give you a rundown. So this is what they do is they used to have lists of names and they were going to arrest people based on this. I didn't it didn't matter if you were really an enemy of the state or not. It was just whether or not. You thought your state and if your neighbor didn't like it, they could put. You on this list well, and quite often the government would come to you need to go who's the spy who the spy, who spine they would essentially extract out of you. So even if you didn't have any enemies that you wanted to throw out in the Gulag, you had to come up with a name of someone. So maybe if you don't like neighbor today you go. That's good. I'm so glad the system is working my favorite but then tomorrow your neighbor is gone and now who you GonNa pick out, you know so like the list of people who you don't like obviously shrinks and you end up trying your own brother or your own family members. The worst part about this is people with sitting and you can read this for yourself people with sitting in the Gulag. Prison camp next to other people and they were innocent. They had done nothing wrong absolutely nothing wrong and they still believed in the system I don't know if that blows your mind as much as it blows mine the definitely just sent me away. I don't know. Like how crazy is that, and this is the thing right? So if you're pro. because. You think that it roughly stands for something that you believe even but you don't realize what sitting behind it and what's driving behind it. You could be that person who sits in the back of A. Prison one day like I'm not saying it's going to happen to you tomorrow. But the way that this Marxist organization is driven they are not a good group of people and we're all going to end up suffering from this because this is the other thing. This is my vested interest is if America falls into an there's a good chance that you guys can have a civil war right? Not a good chance, but there's a chance maybe one percent whatever tonight. But there's a chance that you fall into a civil war and if you do. That opens up the door for a bigger communist power such as China Russia to then say okay well, now that America's is. Distracted with their own problems internally there already weak or any distracted. Now we can come and take over and that's a that's a risk. It's it's a threat that's out there I do have a question. So little old me being wack. I don't WanNa Diana, Murga how exactly? How does little black lives matter gets sucked in with the Marxist movement enough to invoke fear that can have like Zach as strong as America, has always been taught to me in school I don't I see that even being a possibility in my in my in my naive for having that perspective for America be taken down by a Marxist perspective I can't see that not in my lifetime. Become, part of the average progressives stances on things that not Marxism specifically, but just the tenants of black lives matter and stuff that they stand for I was talking to one of my progressive friends about black lives matter and I you know, I went through I was like you know, yeah, you know and I disagree with that in their mission statement that they seek to dismantle the nuclear family and she kind of chuckled she's like that's awesome. I'm like what what like that but that to me is that it's about the systemic patriarchal and racist roots of the system that lead to things. Like the nuclear family and lead to things like this, and so I genuinely feel like the the underlying motives for a lot of these people isn't well, let's jump to Marxism. Let's see. It's the current system is so corrupt and bereft that it leads to these kinds of things and so we need to now this is the this extreme left right. This isn't the core left. This isn't the the average liberal but I think that the movement is starting and with more with progressivism on the rise and with more people believing these kinds of things about capitalism about our current system I think that. The rise of Missouri through Democratic Socialism while by definition socialism and communism are different I think that one can easily lead into the other if left unchecked and so the way I see it more realistically happening is the Marxism happens on the sidelines black lives matter gains supporters, and they gain credibility and whatnot, and that's happening in the meantime. Socialism takes root and people through acceptance of Democratic Socialism, and then through that movement moving forward, people begin to accept Socialists tenants and socialist beliefs, and then combining those attitudes with a group like black lives matter that stands for Marxist system. I think that that's not a very big gap to jump. So that's where I see it leading to things. So. This is like a tangible fear like this is something that I should like begin to. Look and regardless. I think so I mean. What you know right now I think this is this I want this Clinton do something. But that's amazing I did not know that I should make that associate I. think that's above my little perception of black lives matter. Maybe some other people more super woke nine. I do not know of that level of precautionary measures or at least. Terry things that can happen what and I think you regret in the average progressive would look at me like crazy conservative conspiracy theorist right and so I don't think you're alone in thinking that this is me jumping from one thing to another without reasoning or evidence right I do think that a lot of people think that this is a stretch but I don't know I see it as as a possibility not a lot not likely necessarily but a possibility L. O. now oh, be incorrect with me or to bring up numbers even though this is anecdotal evidence that might have you can bring up numbers if you want no saying, no, I was being. facetious by saying all right. Right number necessarily the Dixie, the no habitants how often does that happen with other nations? So yes, the thing. So do you know what happened with Fidel Castro how he came to power not how he came to power, but I knew that his sprawl was. Okay, so Fidel Castro, they were actually like really really really clever, and so just quickly you need to go look at WHO's donating to the. Movement to the riotous and so basically, there's like big donations coming in from political parties and they're. So when sell it, say you go out and riot tonight and the police arrest you there posted this big donations to get these people out on bail straightaway so that they can go right back into the streets and protest again and worth it's worthwhile, it's worthwhile going and looking and seeing who making these donations. This is also why ties back into the news and why it's good that you're not reading news anymore. What they do is they controlled radio waves and they would publish across the radio all the time about how much progress they were making this this little freedom fighting group if you WANNA call because that's You're either a terrorist or a freedom fighter right so this freedom fighter group, that's that's what they were doing and they were making this headway but the problem with Cuba was that their overall government structure was actually imploding as well. Said, wasn't that Castro was this really great guy was. Trading a revolution for the for all of the people in Cuba the system was already deteriorating as the system. It's almost like he had brilliant timing or brilliant lack because he strode in took power over as the lapsed. In the US I mean, even though the system is not the greatest I, mean I'm not a big trump fan to be honest but He's still he's been biden in that but trump does have its problems just like everyone else. You could argue that you guys then have the strongest president in the world but relatively speaking it's still overrule a democratic country. I would think you know you guys at least get a choice between two people and that might be the one saving grace is that I'm just GonNa say it like the Kamala Harris for example, and Joe Biden they're the ones that they donating to free these riotous and you can go look it up. It's like there's evidence of it ahead someone side if trump wins you guys screwed. But if the Democrats win, then you're all screwed, you know. So it's like America's kind of screwed at the moment but I think. Personally, I think that if you're on the Democrat side I think you in for much worst time if they signed powerful, say five twenty years. It's so scary situation you know and who knows what will actually wind up happening like maybe I am overly cautious in paranoid, right? Maybe this will blow over after the election and things you know we'll go back to quote unquote normal. But yeah, I, think that the divide on this stuff has become so strong and now if you come out against Marxism, right typically your deemed as racist because you're coming out against black lives matter yeah that's the irony and you know this is what now. Did in China he well, not exactly in terms of racism. There's always someone to blame right and at the moment it's all. It's very easy to blame white people being racist and so on, and then it's trying to rile up someone else. So in in Russia, what they did is they said it was the farmers that everyone was struggling, and so they they went out off the farms and nationalize the farms and create a huge poverty and in China they did this is the funniest like. Well sort of. In China they also had the farms, but farmers went out to eat their own grind. So they were really starving to death and all the grain was being sold and eventually mouse it to them. The reason why guys starving is not because I'm taking all of your grain, it's because the birds are eating the grind. And guess what they believed him. So then what he said is you guys need to run around the farms and Bang Middleton's around whatever and allow the birds to rest, and if the birds and and they did this as pictures of people lift like thousands of birds with of court because the birds were literally dying in mid air because as soon as they wanted to sit down, people would run and chase the boats and that fly again and then like they just died from exhaustion and this is the thing brandon this is the. Most to you because I think act obviously on the other side of this point. But it all starts innocently racism is bad and it's very easy sell for anyone. We all agree racism as bad like I'm on your side when I say that racism is bad and I don't want to see you having lights that worth less than anyone else's or that's like I don't want to see being disadvantaged in any white unless it's your own doing. Obviously if you go out and you drink, can you get in the car crash while in your take responsibility for that do I but it's what comes next and it's a it's a progressive sales technique that's being employed and at the moment. It's probably starting to fall a little bit of pot at the moment because the rioting seems to be putting a bunch of people off. So sitting here, listening to this is this is like like freaking me out how I. Do Not know, I was completely unaware of this level of. Of what's above me and I was getting frustrated and you know get mad at the administration and you know all these different things that we talked about and then I got I guess I felt really saddened supported because the point of the initial funds and what they claimed it was going to go towards was inner city communities and after school programs and all these things that black communities of wanted ever since the twenties and unfortunately higher powers above a mom and pop shop were above Brooklyn has taken what we would use that money to benefit our lives in our communities to make it more even and still just get the end of the stick while the operas do with. Exactly. Yeah and that's just clean as well. Come to the workers revelation. Exactly what it is 'cause in south. Africa and this is the thing and I didn't really want to talk about this because at the risk of an it's exactly what you said. Zach. As soon as you attack communism, you labeled as racist because what a lot of people don't know that Nelson Mandela had very strong communist ties as well and I saw a very interesting. It was it was so interesting I saw. Someone in the Chazaud Chop Zone, whatever you WANNA, call it now that the zone that doesn't exist anymore and she was a very staunch black lives matter person and you could tell she like she's kind of you don't WanNa mess with and she was very strong interviews. You have to give it that like she she and she was hard. You know I was like what I we don't want to argue with the school. Too. quickly. The Guy was interviewing us how much of this movement is that you just want to throw over the system and what should burn because what's the plan? So let's say you do get to throw over the system what happens then and Harania was that if we overthrow the system, then we can liberate the minds of black people and they will come up with a system that we don't even know has existed and. It sounded very nice and very. Me I was like. New Talk. About Obama different far left. Talk about that and saying that's possible. But to hear someone else say that that's also possibles like also amazing. That's almost scary as a little bit I. IT Sounds Great. It sounds great but years the thing right how many times have you gone and done something and just on a whim and turned out to be exactly what you thought. It would be I mean, let's say just take a stupid example. You go to a restaurant that you didn't plan to go to a you guaranteed to get a good restaurant. Exactly, we're talking about society I, mean, what are the chances of it being replaced by something else? Let's say tomorrow you de-fund the entire police ripe like you think that all of a sudden, the people who are hardened criminals are just going to be like, okay. Well, just while they work out whether or not we're going to have hospital tigers or or healthcare workers taking care of us this just chill out for a while before we go and steal in murder and do all these things because the good guys trying to work out a system for us. So Africa had bad system one, hundred percent. I'm not GONNA say that. had. A good system it was replaced by a system that's as bad if not worse because the average person's Africa today is not the end. This is on both sides. They're not better off in what they were before. So you just because you've got a bad system or even if you do have a bad system, it doesn't guarantee that when you replace it with a new system that this new system is going to be good Samaya argument with the more or less in line with what Zach was saying is look at the bad things within the system and change those things but you don't have to be radical and say. Nine people nine unarmed people got shot in the United States lost Yo city on on people got shot in the united sites loss. Let's overthrow the nuclear family. Associations that stunned to be made crossed the matter movements and the what's happening the background is soul almost overwhelming to just average T television consumer. Imagine this level of action that's happening in the background it sounds like science fiction. Or like a really like a BI level written book. Yeah. It's it's very, very scary what's happening at the moment and I and again like this is why I'm so thankful to have both of you guys on because you've come from different perspectives and it's off spoken to people in. Germany and in this area and some of them have different opinions as well and this is you know how you know that this is a serious thing is when you talk to people in a different country way, theoretically black lives matter shouldn't have anything to do with us and it's just a sensitive topic of the year is every day with you. Of course wow I would never imagine like this is why it was a huge deal for back was a whole black lives matter for what we knew it as the culture of the small little culture no one has to be was a civil movement for police brutality eighteen countries in every single state in America believed in what fourteen percent of the country believed in. That was a huge moment right that even that that would be the we would we have never mattered on the stage like this. We've never had eighteen countries of influence. So even imagine that the same type of discord or conversation though we're struggling to hear that you even have in other countries it's still amazing. Where you can phrase this differently brandon. The fact that everyone jumped on board on the straight away and in terms everyone believes that racism is a bad thing. That should in itself in of itself tell you that maybe because if everyone didn't jump on board at the same time that would mean that racism was more divisive than what it really is. You should take a lot of solace from it s the right word. That everyone got on board because the point is we all believe that racism is bad. If the world was inherently racist, then George Floyd would've been and gone you know what I mean right but that's that's black. Americans don't care if the world's richest black Americans carry their world. It just happens. Get Fair enough but I mean this has been going on the US as well like I say that everyone in the US is more or less on board, with us, also on. In terms of the racism not in terms of 'EM. Now I think the the Nascar is the best example of it. Right? Look at NASCAR banning confederate flags. You know they went along with it like that and they. All of the the crews and the racers helped push bubble Wallace's car not push his car they walked with him they all went along with banning the confederate flag and so I, think in a in a society to be nothing right? It was it was no big deal I think in a society that is inherently racist or has A. Large subset of it. That's inherently raised after. You had that would be one area where you would definitely see dischord but I think exactly also I mean you would have to admit that you saw many racers. You say they've lost the American way by by removing the confederate flag there's also the same NASCAR had a noose hanging in the. Trailers for over two years. Why is an news in? America's known to be a form of a fear of it wasn't it wasn't really a new friend and that's the whole point. Well but I think even if it was expires. Do you guys think I mean I wasn't. It wasn't news in the sense that but it was just someone who just happened to tie it. That way I don't think that was there was a racist threat behind it. That's that's my point. The fact that Hyundai Foot two years. Obviously means that it wasn't a big deal well. Confederate flag. Even, if it was a news though I think indicative will get back to that one. I think even if it was a real news which and it did look it did look more like a noose than a garage poll to be completely honest. But even if it was I, think that's indicative of a society with racists in it not necessarily an inherently racist society if that makes sense. Okay. So I, think that's unavoidable on some level you're always gonNA have racists. Does that just absolutely, not still awful and horrible they should be held accountable for their actions. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I I'd say yeah I guess to to bring a that's a good point lit said wasn't news. Then of course, you agree within than what's active citizenry good point and okay. So maybe when I said wasn't a news what I'm what I'm trying to say is from the articles that I've read is that yeah okay it was tied can news but it was Completely wrong said don't don't want to say that it is this that way but it was probably just some dude knows how to tie a new. Years. It right. I'm just GonNa tie and news because I know how to tie. News as opposed to I, want to like send some hyped towards. Bubble Wallace whoever was driving when I don't know if that was above what is his garage two years ago at the fact that it hung there for two years and no one said anything and also they would no other threats behind it. So think about it from that perspective. So if this noose was hanging with intent to to threaten than there have been other threats as well. Now. That's a pretty strong threat. If you see a news, that's that's pretty you get the but I'm. I don't think. Okay. Let me rephrase this I don't believe personally I don't I don't believe in news is a threat specifically to a black person. The news can be a threat to anyone. The way that America has Hong had hanged parties after Church services. The way that it has been public we've done the the the history behind nooses, terrorizing Americans, black Americans since the eighteen forties. That is one of these strongest forms like as it is synonymous to burn across on a on someone's front lawn. And that is. A one hundred percent agree and I can speak for him on a is at might be that might sorry. No That level. Yeah. Yeah. But I do think that's probably an American specific thing I dunno Afrikaner in in Australia or anywhere I don't know if it's the same case there but there's definitely a connotation to it in in America where it's rot specific. That could be a cultural thing because for me I, think of the news as like medieval thing that was used. Specifically mostly, throughout Europe. It happened. have. About one hundred about. One hundred years ago. Okay, but let's say you you're right. Why do you think the news wasn't paid any attention to for two years? Then Brandon a lot. A lot of things I guess in an American culture. The Cultural Nascar is very American and now a lot of a lot more people understand what that means constraints. You just right wing country the Saudi. You think of those type of things and I guess you don't want to. If you're in that environment, you don't WanNa step on that environment because to whistle blowing something like Nascar like a huge deal because that's the culture very tight knit. So I guess no one wants starring thing up like that fear of say some you'll get taken care of you know maybe that could be it because you know there's other currencies where you know you see news in the street is is on the news the next day but something as you know I'm not a monthly sure why but that's I that's reasonable like I would say that's a that's a reasonable argument, but then I think it would again blow out the water if you say, well, the fact that everyone rallied around bubble wallace as soon as the news was made public, maybe I mean if I really wanted to take your argument, I could say, okay, maybe bubble wallace was just scared to death for the last two years and he didn't do anything and then when George fluid cameras at all far out finally, I can talk about this new snap because this has been freaking out for two years now and I need to get this out. Now's the time. You're hundred percent right and it would it would be far fetched for him to do that. But the thing is it's not necessarily his particular garage hundreds of I'm sure the hundreds of race drivers has already went through and saw that and none of them have said anything so that often. Other black race drivers slow seldom as they may be. Also could not said anything but that's just just uncomfortable. But just to clarify said, this is a this is something that I haven't actually didn't know if you guys see news anywhere in America the Association the Association of you can basically associated with a guy wearing a KKK apps but. Is that you say. Or have or have some type of semblance to that whether that Neo Nazi aspect that. Like. That's well I've seen different documentaries. That's KKK is as monotonous to like this a decent population of Neo Nazis in America. How yeah I definitely believe you on that. Believe on with Fox News like there's. No not. I context important too because I mean there was the case to in what state was it I don't remember the the workout equipment that was deemed the news there was there was the ropes hanging in like on a path like a like a metro parker nature path or something. And it was you know called out as Oh, this is awful. This is hateful Sir News. You know we're going to look into it. Then it came out that it was a black guy that hung them because they were using them to exercise and they saw they saw other people using them to exercise. So they left him there. After that came out. Then the I I don't know if it was the mayor or the I don't know who it was in the situation was basically like, no, we're still going to investigate because the intent doesn't matter. You know it's still a hate symbol and so there's this divide between like there absolutely is the culture behind it and these connotations behind it but I think again like with everything we've been talking about it's it's escalated to the point where even the presence of it is deemed a racist or awful even in the presence of evidence that that's absolutely not what it is ranked at the news took as that for black people that has to be like a precautionary gossipy instinctual. Start to begin to fear for your life, that's what has been passed them. That's exactly my point though is how do I phrase this in the right way to comes across well. Speaks. No nuts. That's nuts. It's. It's not. It's not that I don't want to speak. My mind is just that I don't know how to fresh it actually. I think about it from a different perspective because I actually personally I think that transgenderism and this racism I think they is very strong link and they're using the same things as they call it a Zach cool. That quote unquote I hook to grab people in. Now the fact that the news is so hell bent on finding the racism to me. That's the actual alarm bell is the fact that why are they so assistant to try and find the racism and this is why I think the black community if we're to call them black community as opposed to just black people in America this is why I actually think they're being victimized for the. Wrong reason because they are being told that all these things are racist and they need to fear for their life the boogeyman quite quite when really the reality is the racism is being used with different agenda in the back end but not that not everyone is seeing and it's so hard to get this, and this is why I'm making the podcast about this also making these podcasts because i. Feel like the link between my alcoholism this now, really gonNA sound crazy. But visit link between my alcoholism in the how I used to think and then once I got cyber there's GonNa be a bit of a tangent if it doesn't doesn't sink then that's okay. But I'm going to try to to see if I can make link for you when I was drinking right I used to think. One of my jobs was to tech people out to like I was working at the sizing and I had to get people him out to lunch and essentially get them drunk and then get them to buy stuff with me. It's like the nicest job for anyone who's in the twenty s and thinks the and it gets paid for as well. So if you WANNA have lifestyle, you think it's But I used to always think that I'd look at other people. I'd see other people drinking at a restaurant with their drinking an I. Tell Myself Look at all these people they've got nothing better to do with alive than just sit there and drink meantime most of those people probably just having one glass of wine or like one beer or something, and then they're going home I'm the idiot that doesn't go home until four I. Am you know and then wake up the next morning and do anything with my south but I used to judge all these other people like that, and then one night. So when I got really really desperate and I realize that you know I was I was more or less hitting toward suicide and I realized that my life was I was either going to kill myself something what's going to happen and I'm going to die and I wasn't even daily drinker. I was just drinking more like a binge drinker right so when I would drink maybe once a week or every two weeks, but I would just drink too much. So into I and on this night everyone sort of basically explained to me how my thinking was and how they used to think exactly the same way. It wasn't until I realized that I could say that I'm an alcoholic that I could. Do Label this and I could say this is the problem. This is alcoholism and this is what I am suffering from and once I did that it was like a complete hundred and eighty degree shift that happened with inside of me and all of the sudden. Of only been sober for about three years now but all of a sudden. Many things started to make much more sense to me. I mean I was even without having read much of things like the idea of communism as an example sounded like a pretty good idea to me because I wasn't really focusing a you know my brain wasn't working properly. So I would communism sounds good because it's telling me that the world is against me you know and like the rich people need to suffer or get taxed more because Blah Blah Blah and so on. As long as long as I could find something that made me feel like I was a victim minutes not my fault I was happy to go with it. I wanted to Derek new replying a one thing. You've only sold three years, but it's over thousand day. So don't underestimate. Thanks. I didn't I didn't I didn't mean to say it in a in a condescending way I meant to say it like my life is radically changed within such a short space of time. It's almost. But I do thank you for for. For Thanks for listening. If you like this episode, please remember to like subscribe and leave us a five star rating. Also. You can follow us on twitter at say what needs and on instagram and facebook at say what you saying for live updates and soundbites from my actual pucks. Don't forget to. discuss. Thanks for listening. Thanks.

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TRPR 216  AstraZeneca FunVax part 2  27 September 2020.

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TRPR 216 AstraZeneca FunVax part 2 27 September 2020.

"Hi, my name is Andrew driver and welcome to the regular report. This is episode 216 recorded on Sunday the 27th. Probably not published till tomorrow or the day after this is a Red Pill Reports special. It's part two of the funvax video specials again. Going to be playing you the audio from a video that I believe we ought as Christians to know about and be considering and contemplating when it comes to things. Like are you going to take the covid-19 vaccine? Is it safe for a Believer to take and so there you go without further Ado this wage? This is the audio from phone box virus against God, which is the second video on Leland Jones's website and log. Again, if you have the opportunity, I will post a link in the show notes. I recommend watching the video rather than just listen to the audio. But here you are here is the audio for you to listen to song. All right guys, hopefully you have watched the previous video on funvax the mark of the beast the V Mattoon God Gene. Okay, if you haven't watched that video first, I really really encourage you stop this video go to the description feel hit the top link and watch the previous video. We may say some things that don't make sense. But essentially what we're getting at is they've identified jeans and people that relate to religious people and non-religious people. They are trying to eliminate the the jeans called vmat2 that's in the religious people. Okay? That is what you're seeing. It's everything going on in the news and around the world. The last eight months. This is what it is. Okay, and I discovered additional information. Friend and doing the previous video to where I found it necessary to just stop everything and finish that content finish that message and then do a second part to that. So this is the second part of these leaked documents and leaked videos on this program called funvax. And so you can see that in brain scans. They identified certain parts of the brain when people are read religious texts like the Bible showing, you know, belief in faith and or unbelief and Destroy and discussed in non-believers, so they can actually see through brain scans how someone reacts off okay cover that in the previous video and this one we're going to get into a additional information that we found and discovered in these videos and reports which were going to share with you. Now. I just want to tell you from the beginning of this video. What do we you know Leland what do we do with this information? It's overwhelming the things they're going to hear in this video. It's overwhelming. The best thing I can tell you is that we need the Seal of God on our forehead that may be what is is scientifically Being viewed right there. And this is knowledge in this is Faith in Jesus Christ. This is trust and the fact that he has sealed us. He has seen silang Believers cuz that's the war So Daniel Prayed three times a day and they sought to kill him specifically for his prayers specifically for Daniel's players took the impact and importance of your prayers. So guys, we need to be in prayer. We need to be in worship. We need to be seeking God with all of our heart in this time. You're going to see why specifically in this video these things are targeted. We're dealing with sensitive information. It's very important that we disclose how we came across information at first saw Johnny Storm. Don't speak talk about the how turn a report on the human trial of the coronavirus vaccine. So we share with that in the other video and then it went back to do some more research on the god Gene because we talked about that before the vmat2 Janine. I did a search and I came across this page video. It goes back eight years and it's ten minutes long. Why is that significant? Because most of the videos of the leaked Pentagon presentation are five minutes long? Okay, so I was like, all right. Well, what's what's at the end of this video? Why is it ten minutes long was he have to say and I found this this is how I found it guys the leaked documents from the fun facts program. They're right here. Now. This is a whole lot worse than you can believe. All right. We shared your previous in the video about you know, the VAC. Mean, all right, but it's worse. They're trying to eliminate the vmat2 gene with the virus right with the virus itself. So this is going to get into a horrible things. Right and it's guys you really have to get educated in this you gotta get this screenshotted, you know capture this video do everything you can to gather this day to gather some information so you can really see what's going on. Okay. Now let's talk about what happened. The documents are trials on animals are monkeys specifically and the video was talking about the program on people off. The documents are 2007 in the video is 2005 so you can see a clear link from backs vaccine 2007 with the project ID 149 eighty-two and the video 1498 z d o d i d. Okay, so they are obviously the same thing they're talking about the same thing. These are the leaked documents and they go into great detail about both home. UCR and the virus now what's PCR PCR is the test for covid-19? Okay, but it's not covid-19. What they're testing is the vmat2 gene in the people we have proof of it's right in front of you. The quantitative. PCR is to find the vmat2 gene. All right, he says in the video. He says rt-pcr. What does that mean? It means the real-time PCR test which is the testing of covid-19. This is the test. What are they testing? Vmat to the god Gene. Okay. So you hear him? Say it in the video is me on the left over here. We have individuals who are religious fun with fundamentalist religious Fanatics. And this is the expression rt-pcr real-time PCR expression of the vmat2 gene. The documents also talked a great deal about p b s v virus. Okay. It's basically rabies. Okay. So how do they disperse this? How do they do this? They go into a lot of detail about the virus how to spread it. It's results, but the virus itself is attacking this vmat2 Gene. Okay, and in the documents, they go into great detail about this. I'm going to read the document. So be patient, but it's in the video. What what you see here is running this virus. We're going to eliminate individuals from dong. Going into a market blowing up. So I'm virus when immunized against this vmat2 Gene and that would would have the effect that you see here, which is essentially to turn a Fanatic in to a normal person and we think that will have major effects in the Middle East. How would you suggest? Well, so so the the present plan and the tests that we've done so far have used respiratory viruses such as flu or or rhinovirus home. And we believe that that's satisfactory way to get the exposure of the largest part of the population. Most of us of course have had have been exposed to both of those viruses and and we're we're quite confident that this will be a a very successful approach now, let's get into the document. And before we do I know many people will say. Oh, okay. This is a whole cuz they're not true guys. You have to understand how the intelligence Community works. Okay when they leak a document They're doing so with the idea that it what they're going to release is the information but they're going to leak it in ways that they can disprove later. Okay, so many of you say, okay. Well the video is a hoax because of this discrepancy and yet yeah, they purposefully do discrepancies in the video. Okay. But the content of the information is sold, but if you're to to look at the information in to figure out what's going on, and what's they're picking up on the page say, oh it's a hoax. It's not true and go back to sleep. Okay, so that's just how leaks work. Okay, and that's how we can look at this and say hey. Yeah, this is really am going on. So as we showed you this is the quarterly fun facts review. I'm going back to 2007 with the project I D. Okay, so we're going to have the intro here of the scope of the project. And the report provides a summary of the recommendations and conclusions based on the experiments that they did in this. Okay. and and let's see in the summary the recommendations the date of the experiments conducted between such-and-such time were analyzed recommendations for future experiments are suggested concerns and comments off from such and such. At at the meeting address the recommendation recommendations and conclusions. So there's sections to this of analysis recommendations and conclusions. And of course you have lots of stuff that's blocked out of individuals names. The Abduction of this phase is to prepare a viral Vector that will inhibit and wage increase the expression of vmat within a human population. Let's say that again the objective of this phase of the project won't for 982 is to prepare a virus a viral Vector that will inhibit and decrease the expression of vmat2. Cuz if you didn't watch the previous video vmat2 is something called the god Jean-Georges the expression in the part of the brain of a gene that expresses faith and spirituality, okay? And they are trying to inhibit and decrease this expression or this Gene in a human population. All right, currently the tests are only scheduled for animal models. And that's what we're going to see in this 2007 report infection of rhesus monkey. Okay. So this is the type of animal the monkey that they're using. Yes, the monkey has the god Gene as well. Okay, as do mice according to the timeline set out and blah blah blah the clinical team coordination to supervise the experience other monkey's being exposed to the virus. All right, but remember it's it's a it's a monkey's it's a virus but it's intended not be an a human population. Okay, and there's a timeline there's a there's a program here. Okay, the upscale of the virus will be handled by such and such and coordinated by the research dead. Etc now we're going to use some acronyms here guys, cuz there's lots of course technical words being used for the virus abstract because of the age of Iris. We're going to call this the vsv. This is what we told you before is like a rabies, right the vs vs ability to infect brain cells. Okay, so the virus affects the brain cells in a two-step life cycle. Sipped elliptic infections in mammals and transmission by insects. Okay, so, it's Trim in my insects. It's there's a good we're going to get into all how it's transmitted. Okay, you provided a starting point for a designer Airborne virus, which also Airborne virus that has the ability to infect the respiratory system as well as brain cells. So the virus affects brain cells and respiratory. Okay, that's why it can look like a flu-like symptom. Okay, the newly-designed virus off as a typical vsv. Genome. Okay. So we told you before about the vsv genome. Okay. I'm on genus region to vmat2. And a gene from Endo virus that allows attachment to the end of virus receptor in the whole cell. So that's virus is attached attaching itself to this specific. God Gene, okay, the the Genome of the virus attaches of the Endo virus attached it allows attachment to the receptor of the hosts. So the wholesale has the vmat2 gene. That's what it's attacking this design allows a virus to infect the respiratory tract of the infection occurs, when subsequent diffusion across the blood-brain barrier to affect brain cells. Okay, so it's Vex respiratory effects brain cells six hundred strains of the virus were tested in duplicate 1200 mice mice were inoculated with a needle in the brain tissue examined three weeks later after inoculation. Okay. So there's also you know, like a vaccine type of thing. All right different ways of administering this, okay? And examine three weeks later and had the least amount of endogenous vmat2 protein. So the the results were lesser of this vmat2. Six methods of ESV dispersal were tested six ways guys. This was tested high altitude release water supply release both insect transmission diffusion by a ground-level object such as a car diffusion form a stationary object such as a baggage and infection by food supply such as cattle or produce their six ways. They're testing how they're dispersing the virus unbelievable for the high altitude test. 30 liters of of highly concentrated virus had targeted a one square kilometer live land rate at such-and-such stability tests of water show that the temperature 10% of the virus is still viable after 14 days. Okay phone number how they I mean, this is unbelievable. You know, how you have to quarantine after 14 days. Well, they're also talking about that in the water supply how long the virus last last 14 days at 50 days a hundred page. The virus is non-viable. Okay the fusion by a moving object such as showed great promise. And was detected at five hundred square feet from the moving object within 15 minutes so cars are like the best way release took place from a vehicle driving 25 miles and not releasing approximately such-and-such seconds and 5 minutes diffusion by a stationary object is dependent on wind conditions. When the wind the wind spread at three miles an hour at the starting virus could be detected a hundred meters from The Source after an hour. So this is why it's nearly impossible to identify the source of how the virus is spread because there's six methods, right and it appears the most successful one is by a car to examine the dispersal of the vsv through the food supply cows were injected and 8 Days post. Okay. Post infection the tissue of the CNS had the greatest concentration of virus add an average of such-and-such a brain tissue. So you also have it going through meet. Okay, there's basically two types of monkeys that they have results with the homo the EOS knockout monkey monkey's died within 3 days off while the hetero zgs Monkees lives appear to be normal lifespan leaving that too is responsible for the packing dopamine wage other mono Minds into the the circulars that will be released in the synapses. Okay. So this is basically how it's working out. Well the KO monkeys were alive. They did not feed. And upon the op Topsy. It was concluded that they died of starvation. It appears that they had no will to live. Okay. So some of these monkeys just killed themselves with starvation the same conclusion was found in the mat to KO mice. In nineteen ninety seven, if you met to deficient monkey was developed concurrently with the KO monkey the V match deficient monkey should have expression of him at 2 at 6 to 95% lower than average. Well type monkey. V might to deficient monkey should produce conclusive results by July 4th 2007. And here we have the brief summary of the minutes. Okay, and it has the people which are all blacked out update on the experiments and the progress Round Table. Okay review the timetable proposal for a suicide gene. I mean, this is unbelievable are going to put an actual Gene in a virus which causes people to commit suicide and the dispersal methods testing efficiency in the field Inhibitors that may Target a specific population. Monkey knockout knock down progress. Okay the results of the monkeys Summary of recommendation. All right. Now this is where we get into the PCR that we told you before quantity of PCR of all 600 animal subjects should be done to ensure that the data of the experiments would show the decrease in endogenous vmat2 is occurring because of viral insertion and not natural variations. So I'm just testing to see if the virus is in fact eliminating this vmat2 Gene from the test animals of the 600 variants of the vsv. Tested wage. They had the greatest decrease in the amount to with them ice. However, this may not be the case for human subjects all six hundred strains of ESV should be test retested on the huge subjects by the clinical group. The clinical group should be involved with this ASAP. Bradford sa essays should be done in affection of subject to determine the endogenous vmat2 concentrations before and after infection not just took after infection. Okay, so they're they are testing human subjects as well. All right, but the report mostly goes into the results of mice and monkeys. Mice and other subjects should not be infected with a virus since this does not test actual dispersal method future experiments are similar to The Strain should allow the subject to to breathe in the virus rather than being injected with it. Okay. So they're they want the to see the effectiveness of breathing the virus rather being than being injected. So the injection is fun facts, the use of funds act should see an immediate effect within the target zones in a way to measure the rate of infection should be examined and tested before the virus is released two or three of the following methods should be used in to approximate efficiency. The results of the mass inoculation should be proportional to the rate of the infection and could be quantitative by by either Behavior or biological test off of your indicators. All right. Now this okay. All right behavioral indicators. This is what their goal is guys is to see these type of things happen. Okay to the people. All right, so they're saying all right. I significant decrease in suicide bombings. All right decrease in armed resistance and conflict zones in non-conflict zone nickname should be measured by a decrease in people attending religious activities such as ketubahs or noon prayer. So, basically what they're doing is they're seeing how effective the virus is on people's religious activities guys. They're targeting our religious activities our prayers. Oh my God in in the new prayer now, this is Muslims with this this doesn't this could work either way and they're looking for a measurable increase in Communications off and telephone and email and other forms of communications that Express discontent with religion. Guys, this is why we're all locked down and and the people are forced to be online to measurably increase the communication and the telephone the email other forms of communication Express wage increase those things that Express discontent for God unbelievable. That's what this is talking about. Okay biological indicators off at showing me the experiment in mice exposed the vaccine that there was a noticeable side effect and benign essential blepharospasm. Okay, what is farro spasm? It's a rare condition that causes your eyelid to Blink or twitch. You can't control it. This is called involuntary blinking or twitching. The twitching is caused by a month spasm around your I live fire spasm is just one of several reasons your eyes might twitch. Just need to be done on the human population. But if we assume that this side effect Remains the Same in humans, we can measure a sample set for last month with them Faro spasm and calculate its rate of vaccination. This will be an accurate way to estimate the rate of vaccination but requires an examiner to be on the ground and willing to sample set that which is represented of the population being targeted. Either of these criteria may be possible in most contentious Target zones, so it's not always easy for them to do this stuff when they're at war with the people. A blood sample of militant casualties or deceased civilian will provide the most accurate estimate of the rate of vaccination a PCR test could be used to determine if the sample contains the viral elements that are associated with funvax. Okay. So they're seeing how you know if they can find, you know casualties by doing the PCR tastes the same thing for Coronavirus to see the association or how much the of the results are related to fund vacs the ratio between the office of negative results would allow one to calculate the rate of vaccination. Okay, because the because of viral elements might be found in many cells of the body once vaccination has occurred. So once they're dead they have the vaccination. Okay, and they want to test the results. Okay, biological samples from the living maybe covertly be taken this may include the following. Okay. So basically what they're doing is they're getting DNA samples from the people unknowingly from these different things eating utensils a hairbrush toothbrush Q-tips undergarments. Cigarette butts toilet paper cellphones condoms napkins drinking vessels close pillowcase. Tampons dental floss, okay. So that's in order to test the results of fun vacs within the samples of the people that taken the vaccine. Okay, the stability tests conducted in the group led by I used the S V virus not the virus that is currently being tested the Airborne variant of the VCS V that had the greatest decrease am endogenous vmat2 the test that should be repeated using these are high atmospheric tests ground-level diffusion test from both stationary and moving sources off. So that's the different types of dispersal of the virus brain optimistic from the Monkees. KO experiment knock jokes parents should include MRI girl. S autopsies in addition to the test already planned. The cell lines used in all cell culture studies should be hcn1 a line only. This will be the standards for the fun back studies going forward in the research group in the media growing Protocols are available and appendix to the alcohol inhibitor experiments. I said in the group should be as soon as possible the obstacles and designing the inhibitor to describe at the meeting will be would be diffused home to overcome. The design of the containment inhibitor is likely to go from the factor. Okay? conclusions Okay, okay, if the virus vsv typically transmitted by insects however as stated in the summary the phone box dated touch the Airborne virus would be a preferred route of infection The Strain named has been designed to spread via are so that means appears to be the recommendation is Airborne virus, but more studies need to be done to conclude the efficiency of both the animal and human subjects. Dispersal via air is possible. However, there is no accurate data to show the infection affect efficiency with vsv. 286. The high atmosphere tests have been done with other viruses such as vsv and has shown to disperse an acceptable rate with moderate viability. However, no tests have been done to vsv. 287 the viral genome vsv. 2877 has been show to integrate in the various brain cells of the vmat2 off Locust. Oh my goodness. Can you believe that guy's V trumpet is the locus. Is that wow endogenous vmat2 expression in the brain has been decreased as shown. Okay. Yeah, and there's various statistics on the mice wage. Infection of the mice have been less than ten student animal subjects side effects include benign essential. Okay. So the eye twitching and asthma Human subjects have not been tested but side effects are projected be the same. Okay benchmarks laid out in the summary of fun facts objectives include the two most important objectives at the stage and Airborne virus that can insert a modify vmat2 gene into the brain thoughts a significant decrease of expression of energy Ness vmat2. That is the goal of this. They're making it very clear and Airborne virus. That can modify the vmat2 Gene and brain cells a significant decrease in expression and vmat2. Okay, only only human human cells can determine the vsv 287 effect on religiosity and spirituality. Okay. So they are saying here that they can really test monkeys and mice by religious activity in spirituality. They have no way of of doing that so they have to do it on humans. But that's the goal of this is to eliminate wage religious activity and spirituality the results obtained us for our show a minimum health effects. None of which are life-threatening or debilitating primate should be offensive with vsv 287 to determine the facts of the systems are more similar to humans. Dispersal methods are still being tested. Hi. I'm aspheric dispersal and just burst on the ground level moving objects. Okay, this is the summary which talked about already dead. Once initial dispersion is accomplished infection will be transmitted person-to-person. The clinical group will examine the rates of person-to-person transmission. Okay, so there was a person-to-person transmission that they're saying complete knockout of the vmat2 and mice. As well as monkeys has shown to be lethal future experiments should examine the effects of the vmat2 knocked down in assertion of vmat2 mutations. in the Monkees Okay, at this point in the report, we have a fun vacs research group timeline with various discussions and different things. A lot of this relates to the monkeys and things that we've seen already. Okay, here's the cell culture of phone box research group standards. Okay, so the standards and who was handling it John coplans University. organization Homo sapiens humans permits different types of You know other other, you know, kind of scientific details of the testing and subcultures. Okay, all this is at the latter parts of the report 13 of 30 and that's it. This is all about the return of Jesus Christ in the fifth trumpet. There was Locust a locust plug that is Coronavirus. That is the information. You saw you even saw they were you know, disbursing of locusts guys. This is the return of the Lord Jesus Christ prophesied in the last days. Okay. That is what all this is. Okay. So this is a a message to inform the people took the videos on Nanobots and all this stuff that's going on guys. This is the war against the Saints. Okay, we're sharing you with with you the information as to what is really going on. This is what's really going on its war against the Saints and prepare because Jesus Christ he is going to come in the clouds and power and great glory and he's coming back soon. I saw heaven open and behold a white horse and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true and in righteousness. He does judge and make war his eyes were as a flame of fire and on his head were many crowns and he had a name written that no man knew but he himself he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood. His name is called the word of God the armies which we're in heaven followed him on white horses clothed in fine linen, white and clean I would have their mouth is a sharp sword that with it. You should Smite the nation's and they won't roll with the rod of iron he Treads. They tread the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of almighty God and he had on his birth. Last year on his thigh a name written King of Kings Lord of lords. Being so make war with the lamb and the lamb shall overcome them for he is Lord of lords and king of kings and they that are with them are called and chosen faith faith in the Lord. Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels and flaming fire taking vengeance upon them that know not God will be not the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ who shall be punished with Everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power when he shall come to me that you are fighting a Saints and should be admired and they'll never believe because the testimony among you was believed in that day. So there we have it. That's the second of the videos about funvax and whether it's associated with the mark of the beast, there's other stuff. We should know like the fact that they are planning to use a method of marketing people with an invisible. I called Lucifers. I think it is you couldn't make it up could you to show with you being vaccinated to show with you allowed to associate to go out to earn a living to go to the shops et cetera because you're vaccinated because you're safe and without it you will not be able to buy or sell now. 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133-Filipino folklore: Monkey Business

Myths and Legends

33:44 min | 2 years ago

133-Filipino folklore: Monkey Business

"This week on myths legends. It's the story of the monkey and the turtle from Philippine folklore. We'll see how monkeys are Batta sustainable farming. And learn why you don't want to know what's in that jerky or eating or maybe you do pull you probably don't the creature this week is the loath Lee worm. And it's one more reason to kiss a dragon on the mouth. Not sure why that's become a thing on this podcast lately. But it has. This is myth smudges episode one thirty three monkey business. This is the podcast until stories from theology and folklore at some are incredibly popular stories, you'd think you know, but rising origins others stories that might be new to you. But are definitely worth listened. See story is a Philippine fable. First published in the English language in eighteen eighty nine by Jose, resolve it's considered by many to be the first formal beginning of Philippine children's literature and the straight self comes from the Oko people in the Philippines. When you hear the words like fable monkey internal, you might think about stories like the tortoise and the hair tales were these seemingly weaker creature out with some physically strong antagonised. I won't see your necessarily wrong here. But if you're not familiar with this particular story, you're in for some shocking surprises. This is winging awareness. On the Bank lined with tropical trees monkey trudged along grumbling with every step his tail drag lifelessly behind leaving a faint trail in the sand. Dirk stone. Cot monkeys. I and he kicked it angrily into the water as he passed with a Cy he hung his head shish the gurgle from his empty stomach in continued on. Just a behead where the path began a narrow a rustling of leaves a faint whistling began. Monkey paused mid step watching us, the large turtle meandered from the foliage, slowly the turtle looks fondly across and down the river before noticing the sad monkey approaching. No Hello there. Turtle call out. How are you? Monkey nodded in greeting. He was doing fine definitely holding it all together. Not just one nice question away from a breakdown. Of course, his ensuing breakdown told turtle that that was a lie. The truth is I'm dying. He began you see all this Mike, you said found this farmer guy who had all the squash. I mean like a ton of squash. It was amazing. I'd never seen so much squash before. Anyway, we were all supposed to share it. Right. But then it happened so fast, all the other monkeys took it all they stole it. Poof, just like that. It was gone. And there wasn't any left for me. And because they took it all I had nothing. Eat hurdle stood there, which means mouth agape as he listened to monkey story. Like, I am dying by now. One key was inconsolable falling apart and pacing up and down the Bank, the set creature was having a really bad day. Maybe even a bad week or month thought turtle man he was in rough shape. So turtle is sided that he. Would lend a helping hand or whatever the turtle appendages called? We'll. Well, we'll wall big guy. Take it easy trail broken his stubby, stump like leg rubbing, the monkeys back. There's no need to get discouraged would getting a knife and stealing some banana plants help you feel better. The monkeys sniffle d- wiped his eyes and nodded. Yeah. Yeah. That would help. Turtle planet stubby little leg to a nearby tree. There's a bolo knife back there. Big guy. Go get it. And let's go steal some banana plants, buddy. It'll be alright seeing as how monkey had very few options. He agreed. He found the knife. Among the brush off the pair went down the Bank in search of banana trees. It was over an hour later when turtle finally found when he was really looking for a smile on monkeys face. It was small, but things were really starting to look up for the little guy and turtle was determined to show his new friend that it would really be okay. The para found a couple nice banana plants dug them up and after committing grand theft banana plant high tailed it out of there as fast as turtle could go. So what do we do now monkey asked yearly happiness stolen prize? Turtle led his new friend to the perfect spot. We'll now we plant. He said we plant and we wait monkey grinned, even bigger. This was going to be awesome. I mean, growing our own food what a brilliant idea. He looked quickly all round bananas came from trees. So da the best place to plant was obviously up in a tree monkey bounded up the nearest trunk and set his plant down among the leaves. Turtle was waving his little. Gagnaire trying to get monkeys attention to tell him that that wasn't how planting worked, but he was only met with monkeys proud call from the tree with my tree gets fruit. Oh, man. I'm gonna sell it in be so rich, turtle Kochta non-existent, turtle eyebrow. He gets the throw the Highsmith overshadow monkeys appetite turtle role. Does is it the ridiculousness of the friendly monkey as he planted his own tree in the ground with care. Well, when my Trieste fruit, I think assault for some cloth fixed field shells been on my turtle to do list for quite some time, maybe shining up with some turtle wax or something. Monkey smiled at turtle strong Peng game climbing on the tree in standing once again, next turtle monkey PETA's buddy on his chipped in dented shell this was going to be great. Weeks later. Turtle a monkey eagerly returned to the respective banana plants ready for the harvest should be about time monkey announced. He was really looking forward to tasting some sweet right banana after waiting for so long stepping into the clearing each looked hopefully on their own plant charnel stretched his neck high in the air squinty through the sunlight his tree was now tall. Strong an overflowing with bananas most of which had turned golden yellow and prime for the taking monkey hover stood critising. His is starting jealously between the turtles which tree and his own dry and with her ghost of a tree in the air having no place to take root or any dirt at all monkeys plant was dead. Turtle nodded. That's what he said when monkey planted the tree that's what he had been telling him like for weeks monkey buried his face in his hands filling another breakdown coming. There will be no sweep banana harvest for him no profit at the market. No riches. Unless without hesitation monkey dirt up the troll stree- showing that he would Clem to the top. So they could click all the fruit. But he didn't look down from the top didn't listen for his friends or pie and never noticed. Turtle at the bottom hopeful and willing to share the fruit of his labor monkey Hello. Buddy. Turtle called up the tree he hooked his mouth Ronson bark scraped his flat little feed on the tree as he tried to climb. But he made it exactly three inches off the ground before plopping right back down in the jerk. He called up again monkey how is it up there? Hey. You're going to send me down something eat monkey monkey turtle heard monkeys response a crashing through the branches above and then he felt Linke's response with a smack in the face stunned. Turtle saw what monkey had sent him a hard unripe green banana. He took a few steps backward. Shaking off his surprise to inspect the banana. But it was inedible. The peel was still too attached the fruit itself, hard and bitter one by one all the golden yellow bananas being disappear above and muffled laughter. Rain down from the sky. Time passed shadows danced on the Bank and still monkey continued eating greedily until all the ripe bananas work on. He had eaten every last. One shared numb with turtle patting his nearly distended somac- monkey burp too loud stretched and yawn and settled into the top of the tree for a long afternoon nap. It was good to be full. Again, instinctively monkey wrapped his arms run. A clump of leaves murmuring. Something about the perfect meal as is rolled back and disappeared into a post banana coma. Crocodile help carpet. I was on the way came the distress cry from below sternly monkey from his food coma. Turtle monkey shot straight up heart racing what right banana tree full stomach nap quickly. He remembered did he dear look over the edge of his cushion of leaves the hunting ground below. You really didn't wanna face turtle. But he had to look had. No where the crocodile lurked a branch snap somewhere behind him from the ground. Monkey instinctively jumped scrambling. He struggled to re centers balance when the leaves. But it was too wobbly. He swings tail around contorted his body to try and grip even flexed his little monkey toes. But he slipped his front hands grasp vainly at the treetop see plummeted through the air. He knew he would have to run it the first touch of dirt. If he wanted to live. There will be no fight only flight and eve. Even then the Kirk might still be. Monkey lurched his breath gone. There was no dirt. No sand in his legs were useless. You wasn't on the ground. He didn't lay he hung he hung there. The bamboo spear that had been set out for him. But the crocodile no doubt protruding from his stomach. He was a motionless monkey kebab. There was no sign of turtle anywhere. Either. Cries also gone monkey grappled at the red poling confusion. Details the world quickly fading into nothing. Nothing. Save the dark green mass panning toward him in the mist. And in it's hand. A hatchet. We'll see what danger lurks long the riverbank and what happens to monkey in turtle. But that will be read after this. This week's episode is brought to you by SimpliSafe, here's a fun stat. I almost half of us make New Year's resolutions every single year it could be stuff like getting healthier saving money getting organized. I mean that's been mindfully fifteen years running. 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Just go to SimpliSafe dot com slash legends to get started that SimpliSafe dot com slash legends. All right now back to the show. By now, the sun was setting over the Bryson, beautiful pinks and blues danced into oranges and reds across the sky. There was still enough light to see is the green scaled foot petted strips of meat on the Bank. Monkey meat, salted perfection and hack into manageable size pieces. Everything had gone according to plan. Turtle surveyed is handiwork. It was exhausting but monkey hadn't struggled much. Tomorrow morning. It will be dry. He said, no one. It will be dry, and I can go to the mountains with that turtles shook his head and went to bed little delete monkey know or care, but for turtle on the ground that day monkey silence in the tree have been deafening. The smack of his greedy lips eating all the bananas disgusting and the selfishness infuriating. So that was how it was going to be turtle thought to himself as the hunger pains reared again from within adding to his growing rage. Images of the one sad and starving. Kid flash. Before him montage their friendship journey stealing plans together eagerly planting waiting getting to know each other. And then monkey stealing stealing them all monkey was a thief and pay. Earlier that day while the sun still hung high in the sky McGinlay fast asleep in the air terminal at time to think think and plan he knew exactly we was going to do monkey been out for at least a couple of hours by now he'd eaten all the good bananas. Every last one and it wasn't right. Monkey slept with no sign of remorse. No wariness. How wrong you been? But that was okay. He'd learn turtle. But make sure he learned and so while monkey slumbered turtle had been busy carefully. He gathered all the sharpest bamboo, we could find in this running brush, then all around the tree. Turtle arranged pieces upright in the ground like spears, sharpest points breaching up toward their target one last the plane was ready. Turtle took a few steps backward. Glanced once more to the top of the tree. Monkey hadn't moved at all crocodile crocodiles coming shut a turtle startling monkey. He washed his monkey leapt up in the air panic Britain across his face, but had gone better than planned scrambling, greedy monkey had plummeted to his untimely death. There have been no crocodile only monkeys poor decisions. Well, well, well, what do we have here said one monkey to the others? He pointed into the distance trudging up to their mountain hideout was a turtle happiness sack. No, one recognized the creature human they seem to be looking for them. Turtle waved and shouted something about being there and just a minute attornal minute. So like an hour and a half. It was a bright and sunny day and all the monkeys bounded over the ledge watching and waiting turtle really pushed it and finally he arrived at the monkey hideout talk about cardio. He greeted one by one the monkeys began surrounding their visitor as the lead monkey took a step forward demanding to know, why the turtle come Terrell through his hands. Well, hey, now, I just came trade some goods he immediately drop a sack revealing a pile of salted meat inside. One of the monkeys jumped with excitement before gaming. His composure turtle continued. I've been craving. Nice little bit of squash. Lately can't get it out of my head. Really? I I don't suppose you might know where I could get some a hopeful Grint spread across turtles face already watering at the mouth, the troop of monkeys began elbowing one another gently like a string of dominoes until the last one nudged the ringleader he was the biggest and clearly the toughest of the entire tribe. So you've come to take our squash have you he barked? Turtle smiles sheepishly. I mean, if you guys like meet and have a lot of squash. Maybe we could trade. Here's how this is going to go in up to the lead monkey you. Give us your sack of salted meat, and you can have your fill of squash. Turtle nodded. Yeah. That that's what the word trade meant. That's exactly what he was hoping for he beamed and pushed a sack of meat across the grass. The monkeys. Look their chops. Bring the squash. The monkeys fight each other to get to the sack clause and Oba's flew as they shoved as much of the strange meet as they can get into their mouths bleed. Are turned a turtle as the little guy stacked squash to a second sec. And the leader started to ask what the strange meet was the never tasted before. But in this distraction. He nearly lost the spot on the bag to another hungry monkey. So if he would ask later turtle couldn't help but chuckle to himself as he started his way back down the mountain squash. And hand. Look at them. Just disgusting. He turned away but stopped himself mid step. What what could be even better than watching these monkey cannibalize? This new meet that they had never tasted before it was seeing their faces upon realizing that they were eating monkey. Hey, hey, you. Yeah. I'm talking to you. He lazy monkeys the bowl. Turtle shouted although monkeys stopped and looked up. You're eating your own body. You know that? Yeah, you're eating monkey. The monkeys look down at the strips of meet them back the smiling. Turtle then back to the strips of meat a cacophony of coughing dry heaving and straight up vomiting boomed from the mountain hideout as the full wrecking of what turtle had said beginning to sink in. Then as soon as the disgust settled rage began to boil deep within the monkeys. They took one look at turtle beating a hasty getaway down the mountain and took off after the set of creature. Unfortunately, turtles hasty getaway was a hasty turtle getaway for all turtles planning and scheming screaming back. Just what they were eating was particularly port Assyrian. I really wasn't far enough way. At this point any also hadn't worn running shoes, but found on the sleep wouldn't have made a difference. Because in a matter of a few leaps and bounds. The Monkees were upon him. They howled and jumped grabbing his arms and head. I imagined him popping inside a shell to avoid the mob on the defined himself airborne as the tribe picked him up and carried him away troll will go to their house for what he had done. And he would pay. Jim the hatchet shrieked one of the monkeys cut into tiny pieces. Like did a monkey the mom spiraled into a deep. Anger, spurred on by their mutual hatred for turtle and his deception three monkeys brand through the crowd, the hatchet held high of their heads as the group parted around them, try desperately to keep his cool. But this was getting quickly out of hand. Cool guys. You really do have a hatchet. Oh, oh, man this hatchet. Yeah. This is what I really like to see, you know, I've been hit by a hatchet a lot like soem any times. Yeah. I mean seal these dark scars across my shell. Hatchet bears with I look at turtle shell. And as the disappointment begin stealing the win from their sales trail knew he still had a chance. The angry troupe began full silent as all the monkey squeezed in tightly to take a look at turtle shell for themselves. Sure enough. There were many Dirk scars on it clearly been through this before and it hadn't been enough anger gave way to disappointment and confusion until one young monkey at the back had another idea drama in the water. He hollered and immediately the mapra turned stronger than before. Yeah. Throw him in the sea came the chant as the hatchet bears. Quickly became turtle bears and hefted the heavy show once more it was a struggle for the monkeys, but they managed turtle crane is neck, but couldn't see where they were headed through the thick wave of monkeys all around guys guys guys. Let's talk about this Terrell shouted. He implored them to be reasonable, please spare his life, but there will be no mercy for turtle hands grabbed him from every angle. The monkeys chanting in unison louder and louder for. Forward and backward. They swung him until it lasted let go all fell silent. From the cliff all the monkeys mouths fellow pin and is bulged captivated by the flying. Turtle then as true plunged into the water below they cheered Justice had been served. The elder monkeys knotted with satisfaction still scowling while the younger ones high five dollar round. Someone started passing up pieces of squash as the group settle onto the cliff watching when he for bubbles and shell the surface belly up. But there was nothing. Turtle at apparently sank all the way to the bottom. Of course. Turtle hadn't sunk at all he dove into the water his giant grim? Breaking the surface once below trill swam deep he was searching for something. There. It was moments later the top of turtles had Bob above the surface. One of the monkeys pointed all the heads leaned over the cliff what the with all the eyes on him. Turtle searched the surface revealing his prize giant tasty lobster, a course of gasps and is ripple through the troop as curiosity turned to amazement up on the cliff who knew that turtles could swim except pretty much everybody. This was a total surprise. And it was awesome. Teachers had a catch lobsters turtle begged the monkeys. The young ones were eager the elders were salivating. They jumped up and down motioning enthusiastically from the mountainside how quickly the change their tune paternal was on board really anything to not have a pack of vengeful monkeys after him when it lasts. Turtle reached the top of the cliff. So like six hours later, he had rest the crowd lobsters. They're delicious, but they're bottom feeders. The monkeys nodded. Of course, they knew that mortis pretending to look smart in front of the turtle. So the turtle continued you have to down to them. It was simple actually, take a string tie one durang or waste like so. And then you tie the other around a stone. Make sure it's fairly big too. So you sink. That's how you get to lobsters all the Mckee stirred intently at turtle barely blinking. Are you serious right now? Someone asked from the back troll stared back this walled alumnus throat. Yes. Without warning absolute cast broke out across the cliff. Monkey started this way, and that some searching for string others piling large rocks. The water's edge fists flew as they fought over some of the strings until turtle walkover and snip them in half. There. There will be lobster enough for everyone. They began time strings around the middle's parents double-check strings around their kiddos, making sure everything was snug. And there was turtle at the shoreline helping the monkeys attach themselves to the rocks when it lasts everything was ready all the monkeys lined up on the cliff ready to dive into the water below. There would be so many lobsters that night. How could they thank turtle enough Terrell smiled and nodded? It was nothing. One by one the monkeys jumped off the edge rocks and hand as they Kim balled into the waves hooting and hollering as they fell from the empty cliff. Triple stood captivated by the final flying monkey. It wasn't a graceful flight in the poor fellow lost control of his Brock halfway down. The rock hit the water. I immediately pulled the young struggling monkey beneath the surface. Bubbles danced for a moment that all fell still and still it remained. Even after the some beginning to set across the water. Beautiful pinks and blues. Dance into oranges reds across the sky. There was still enough light to see it. The rounded silhouette at the top of the mountain tufts of grass, Swain gently in the breeze. No one as far as the I see. After the sunset turtle climb back the now desert monkey hideout found the bag of squash. Any finally enjoyed a quiet dinner to himself. The story and to this day still like eating meat. Also how much that stays turtles from the west African turtle stories. We told them the podcast. They're both Turkey. But the west African turtle trickster is an agent of chaos who never wants to do any work only wants to get rich by trickery. This turtle though also tricky only did what he did disavow live. He doesn't mind work. But if you try to con him watch out because he's apparently not afraid to get shockingly brutal next week. It's a rare week where there won't be a new episode. It'll give some time work on some other projects. So if you're looking for something to listen to in the meantime are the podcast fictional has three seasons out in confined fictional that FM catch up for the new season premieres April. So in two weeks. We'll be telling the story of the goose girl from the Grimm brothers, and then three weeks will be coming back into the three and legends. But the Stanley story of Tristan nice old scummy a fun month. Thanks to EMMY dub Brian eat world. Fox's the master Adair my Jeep Kibo thirty eight CT CCTV's failing physics AMC Comber. Have you moon d shepherd ninety eight K Mark out three angry Mody phases? Cloud. The key three and mountain traff. For the reviews, apple podcasts. Thank you so much for listening Antigone time writer review, and he likes leave review. Apple podcasts is still the best place in coined the show at apple dot myth, podcast dot com. And as always there's a membership thing in the site for less than the price of edible, dehydrated, zebra Tranquillo. You can get extra associates source back e books and every versions of the show that will not give you internal bleeding checkout. Support dot myth podcast dot com. More on the membership. Creature? This week is the loosely worm from English folklore, the locally warm dragon. But it's called a warm because one that was the name for a type of dragon into it's basically like a big angry worm to claws on the front. It comes from a ballad written in the seventeenth century which supposedly comes from mountain Bard song and the twelfth century. And yeah, mountain bar might just be my new dream job in the Bard song. Margaret's father, the king didn't know that you definitely shouldn't marry someone who calls himself, a wicked witch Queen and who has actual minions falling around and barring that you should under no circumstances. Leave her alone with your beautiful daughter. Not having any pretense to what she was doing the wicked witch Queen immediately banished the Princess to live in the spindles in hills. And as a minor point transformed her into a hideous poisoned spewing dragon, the problem with poisons spewing dragon, it tends to attract a lot of attention aside from the poison. Itself killing people. There was the problem of the dragon blading the land from miles around the people were so distraught that the got enough money together to hire a local Warlock who told them. Yeah. That's Princess, Margaret, the only person who can save is your brother child. Wind child was off venture with his thirty buddies money heard about how disturb and turn into a dragon. He and his buddies got together and swore to end the scourge and free sister. They built a ship and sailed for home cut a couple of weeks later. The rain is pouring down at night. And the dragon Princess under the control of the wicked witch Queen is guarding the entrance to the harbor as the witch Queen is standing there flanked by her army of evil Imps. The dragon shoots into the water. The first side of the ship easily fit in her jaws and perceived thrash it against the rocks until all child window dead child. Win was standing there on the rocks with his your Mcgann or size sister looming over him. But then the dragon stopped drank came down all around them. The dragon lnu look the young man the which. Queen commanded her to kill him. The sister deep within recognized her brother took control. She refused to fall the order and the magic broke dragging cut side of the witch Queen fleeing, but she didn't follow. She looked down at her brother, and she told him to kiss her what I imagined child win sane the drag nodded kiss three times right on the lips prince paused, but she's a sister and a dragon rage in the dragons is flared. Yeah, she was a dragon and she's fighting against the dragons desire to devour the guy. So if he wanted to see a sister again and Nazi inside of dragons stomach, then it was time to get kissing so child winded, he kissed his sister three times on the lips. And on the third she was instantly standing there naked which was probably uncomfortable for all involved when they returned to the castle the confronted the witch Queen and the touch of the row entry that made up the keel the. Chip protected. The prince from the witch's magic will make his landing. She was turned into a dragon herself child win eventually became king and everyone lived happily ever after except for the witch Queen who live is a poisonous dragon until the end of time in the cave and everyone else who live around there who poisoned with impunity. Because I guess the dragon isn't attract Princess, it's not really enough problem if it's only harassing poisoning common people. That's this week missing legends is by Jason and Korea. Wiser theme songs by the band broke for free the creature the week music is by Steve combs, their links to even more than the shown us. I wanna say thanks again. The SimpliSafe for sponsoring this week two thousand nineteen feels like a good year to ask yourself. It's my home is safe as it could be anything. Maybe this is the year to fix that. But SimpliSafe SimpliSafe is making it easier than ever to get twenty four seven home security with no contracts or catches. They believe the safest place on earth should be your own home. And they helped more than three million people feel that way every day. Get started by going to SimpliSafe dot com slash legends that SimpliSafe dot com slash legends. Thank you so much for listening and all seeing time.

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Salvador Marin

08:28 min | 8 months ago

Impresin 3D en la industria 4.0.

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7 Ways to Stop Comparing Yourself to Others

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

34:34 min | 2 years ago

7 Ways to Stop Comparing Yourself to Others

"The biggest challenges we're comparing our behind the scenes to someone else's highlight reel, and you're going to keep doing that until you start focusing on your behind the scenes and you start building, who you are. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to on purpose, the number one health podcast in the world for life, self work and love. Thank you so much for tuning in again for another solo episode, where I get too deep dive into a theme inside our lives, that's causing us challenges and try and help give you some experiences insights, and stories and science that will help you overcome it. Now, today's situation today's challenge is something that we all face. How do we stop comparing ourselves to others? I'm sure this is something you deal with it. Something ideal way that something everyone. I knows deals with this is something that no one can avoid we live in a world where it's so easy to measure worth against others. Whether it's social media Instagram Facebook YouTube, or maybe it's in the. Workplace. We can spend a lot of time wondering if we're good enough, if we're smart enough, or if we're attractive enough. Think about this for a moment. How many times have you thought to yourself, one my videos, and post don't get as many likes as everyone else in this space number to his or her body is better than mine. Number three. Wow. Their relationship. Looks amazing looks like they're always traveling having incredible dates a number four oh my God. They just got promoted what about me? I've been working harder than them. I've been doing more than them. Now. This is just a few ideas of few examples of some of the things we compare ourselves by. And I'm sure as I was listening those you would probably nodding along raising your hand or saying. Jay that's me will first of all, I want you to recognize this. This is something all of us, do you not alone. You're not the only one don't beat yourself up. About it. Don't start judging yourself and driving yourself crazy. That's one of the biggest mistakes, we can make we start saying to us of all my God. I'm a terrible person. I'm always envious. I'm always jealous. And when you do that you just stop becoming more envious and jealous. Because now everyone's life looks more amazing. So don't judge yourself. Stay with me press. Pause on that. And let's think about how we can move forward from here. The truth is, we've all done it all of our lives. It's not just now because of social media and Instagram's often all because of instrument, we compare ourselves more. No, I remember the kid with the coolest Necas in school, right? I remember my parents would never buy me a branded pair of sneakers, because we couldn't afford to spend money on those, so I would always have these really cheap look-alike sneakers at school. And I would always be envious of the person who had the Nike or the Adidas was we used to say, Nike and Adidas back in London. And I would always look at those and be like are. I wish I could have those. And so it started at school to what college people went to. I remember us comparing where people went to study, and whether it's better or worse to what grades we got we've been comparing things our whole life. This is not just because of social media. So we really have to go to the root of the issue. And that's one of the things I loved about what I learned is a monk is that we never just focused on the symptoms, we focused on the route. Now, let's go to the root of comparison. There's two types of comparison, one is called upward comparison, which means comparing ourselves to someone we perceive to be better than us. But there's also a second type of comparison, it's called downward comparison, which is comparing ourselves to those that are less of. Now, most of us spend our time in upward comparison, we're always comparing ourselves to people, we perceive that doing better than us performing better than us growing more than us getting more followers than. Getting more likes than us making more money than us. It's always the upward comparison that takes time, we really do a lot of downward comparison less. We're doing it out of neglect, or looking down on someone when we're like, oh, it must be sucked to be then but actually real downward comparison is perspective. It helps us recognize how far we've come. It helps us recognize. There are a lot more people out there that are struggling much more than we are. It gives us that bird's eye view on our whole life. I remember one of my friends telling me about the first time he took his children to India. They were on thirteen to fourteen years old. And he said the reason he took them as he wanted them to have perspective of what other that teen to fourteen year olds had access to that age. And when they came back from India talked about how his children had such a gratitude for life, they had such a happiness about what they were given. And they were. Activated to make a difference in the world and want to do something else perspective can be an incredible method of overcoming comparison, but we'll get to some approaches in a minute. There's a study from two thousand eight in which two monkeys were placed side by side and asked to hand the scientists a pebble in exchange for doing that, right. I giving the scientists pebble one of the Monkees was rewarded with a cucumber. This monkey was totally happy about to eat this Kumba until she noticed that the other monkey got a grape. I sweet yummy a- treat. Now this monkey she was totally infuriated and through the cucumber back at the scientists isn't a true story. It's incredible. Theodore Roosevelt said it best comparison really can be the thief of joy, just a few moments before the monkey was so happy with its cucumber excited. The dive into it. And then a second later everything felt like it wasn't worth it. How many times have you ever had that in your life where you get a big piece of news, something good happens to you that you've been looking forward to that? You've been working toward, and then you find out that your friend. Your family member has some big news or something you, perceive as bigger how many times, have you let that raw byu of celebrating? What you've done how many times have you led that, rob you from growing and really owning what you've achieved in your life? We feel lonely when our friends start dating we a worse about our bodies when we're around others. We've been conditioned to base, our self worth on how others see us not how we see ourselves. This is our biggest challenge. We've been conditioned to base ourself worth on how others see us not how we see ourselves. There's a lot of reasons for this, and I think it's important to know that. Parenting, for example, sometimes we would compared to our siblings are cousins or other kids, you know, I always make that common that joke that growing up. I knew I could either be a doctor a lawyer or a failure because that's who I was surrounded by. That's why I was being compared to. So I grew up often believing that I was less educated less out of condemning and less smart than the people around me. But remember, that's because we're measuring smarts based on a particular skill set if you broke down every vertical skillset attribute character quality, there would be no one person who dominates them all, even if an athlete completely dominates, one sport. They don't then nominate acting. They don't then dominate the Forbes richness. They then don't dominate the perfect relationship. Then don't dominate the longest life. Does that make sense? We so often think that just because some. Dominates one area. They dominating everything, but there is no one in the world that dominates every single area that just isn't. You can't have the best physique and the most money and be the most successful in your like that just doesn't exist. And so the point we have to realize is that when you look at any vertical you always feel less of. So if you're looking at your family values successes academia, and you're not academic, then, yes, you will be at the bottom of academia, but maybe you're the most creative, and that's where we get stuck and lost. A lot of the times when herons compared to your children. It's actually not even about the children. It's about making themselves feel better. It's about making themselves feel like they did a good job. It's making themselves feels like accomplished, parents, we compare some times to make ourselves feel better often end up feeling worse. So what I'm going to share with you in this. Costs. Now that I've shed the problem statement. And that's what I try and do all of these podcasts is really shown with you. What is the state of the problem that we're dealing with how big is it? Where do we experience it? How do we see? And perceive it in our lives. And now I want to give you some of the remedies for this. These are some of the insights, and practices that I learned as among these are some of the insights and practices that I've actually been dealing with realizing testing experimenting and a lot of them are proven by science to. So get your notebooks out if you're listening, you're commuting right now, and you're not taking notes, you can use your phone. If you're not taking notes take mental notes. Try and test one of these and see how your life changes. So here are the seven ways to stop comparing yourselves to others, the first one, this is probably the most important one that I can recommend you to do. And that's why I'm starting with it. This one is called. Define what success and happiness mean to you define what success and happiness mean to you and I divide success and happiness across these five sections define what success means to you physically define what success means to you financially define what success means to you mentally define what success means to you emotionally and define what success means to you spiritually. If you don't define what success means to you. You'll be forced to use the definition of others. Let me say that again, if you don't define what success means to you. You by default will use the definition of others. And that's what we're all doing in our life. We're basing the success of our lives based on someone else's defy. Finish in of that thing, a word for example, if we look at physically, if we look at someone like an athlete Christiano Ronaldo. And if all of us, compared ourselves against Christiano Ronaldo, a LeBron James, or any of these athletes that we know of performing highly in the world we would feel inadequate. And the reason we'd feel inadequate is they have a different definition of what success means physically. Why? Because it's linked to their livelihood is linked to their career. It's what they do all day. We don't recognize that they have a full diet team. They have a health team. They have a workout team. They have a rehab team. They have a rejuvenation team. They have a nutrition team. Never. They have teams for every area of their life, because their body is their career, if you compare yourself to someone who's doing something like that it's so hard to win and understand now define what success means to you financially. This is probably one of the hardest ones because we look at averages. We say things. Like I should be making this amount of money by this age. I should have read this landmark by this age, again focus on what your looking for in your career, and measure, that you may have a more meaningful fulfilling career and maybe making less money than someone else, or you may be making lots of money because that's what you value, you have less time to take holidays. The point is that there's always going to be a balanced. There's always going to be shifting scale, and no one's going to have it all, even if it appears that way. And that's the biggest challenge to this definition of success. We believe there's a way that a few people have it all, but the truth is, you can have it all. Just not all at the same time, I've had places in my life, where had so much more spare time to grow to travel to think and have at times in my life. Where haven't had that, but I've had so much more access to incredible opportunities. It's fine to not have it all at the same time give up. That folks desire to have it all at the same time define what success means to you mentally relationship wise and emotionally and define what success means to you spiritually noticed that. Our definitions will be different. That's why we look at people. Sometimes when we think why are they doing that? Why are they working so hard while their life must be so bad? But actually, they have a different set of priorities, and they've figured that out, so you need to figure out yours. We compare ourselves more when we don't know what we stand for. Right. We compare ourselves more when we don't know what we stand for when we know what we stand for. We don't have time to compare ourselves to others. Let me give you an example, from my own life, that I hope illustrates this better. 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Even when I'd see pictures on social media, or even when I heard about what my friends were up to because I knew what I was doing was meaningful to me, now, second step when all my friends began their corporate jobs in their amazing careers starting to earn money starting to buy 'cause starting to be able to go to nice places starting to win. Eissa clothes went off to become a monk. I literally traded my suits for roads. I tried to my bed for a Matt, I traded my late nights for early mornings. And I went off to be among again. I didn't feel like I was missing out on money or access to live, because I was choosing something that was meaningful and fulfilling to me. And when my friends started partying I was meditating I was studying learning growing, and meditating, and again it like Michigan because those doing was meaningful empower for. To me. And then when I left being among my friends were buying homes. I just started work. I started my first full time graduate role at age twenty six or twenty seven fairly lake bed to most people about six years later because of my time out and all the breaks. But I wasn't phased by I was phased by in the beginning. But I was able to overcome that by recognizing that item eight choices and decisions in my life that I believed were right for me. And now when I look back in hindsight, I one hundred percent right? I do what I love every single day. It's super meaning for having incredible community like all of you that I get to serve all the time. I'm getting to make a difference in an impact in the world every single one of you that gives me the opportunity, and I'm so grateful for that. And this is why we have to make choices that a meaningful and powerful to us step. Number two. Remember, we've got seven of these step number to discover your strengths now that you've defined what success means to you need to discover your strengths the challenge, with comparing is we always focus on all weaknesses and other people's strengths the way you flip that around is you stop focusing on your. Prince right to instead of focusing on other people's strengths, and your weaknesses focus on their strengths, and your strengths when we're aware of Austrians, not only do we feel more confident, but we value are the strengths. That's the beautiful thing that happens when you realize what you're good at used on noticing. What others are good at. When you don't realize you're strands, you'd feel Jellison enemies about everyone. And that's one of the biggest challenges that the noise of comparing yourself goes to everyone. So let me explain what I mean by that. If you don't know what your strengths on what you're good at your compare yourself to someone who has a great blog. You compare yourself to someone who has a great podcast. You compare yourself to someone who's a singer. You compare yourself to a fitness instructor. You compare yourself to someone who's a coach. You compare yourself to someone who's a designer the point is comparison doesn't stop. When you realize your strengths the incredible thing that happens is your comparison shrinks to only people in your area, which is much more manageable. So. What I mean by that is if you're a singer, and you confident in being a singer, you now only compare yourself to singers, which is much more easier to deal with, then being someone who should be a singer, but comparing yourself to a musician comparing of designer comparing yourself to an entrepreneur, so we can shrink our comparison which makes it a lot more easy to deal with. It's like shrinking a problem so you can laser focus and destroy it rather than having to aim in all directions. Now this focusing and discovering a strength is really important when Albert Einstein, felt a French exam. Imagine he concentrated only on his language skills, he might never have transformed physics when JK rolling realize that she was highly disorganized. And if you didn't know that she was imagine, she'd focused on becoming more organized, she might never have made, Harry Potter, and then Dennis Rodman. Imagine he worked exclusively on, overcoming, his weakness in shooting free throws. He might never have. Become a seven-time NBA rebounding, jumping, right? Notice out all of these people that we recognize in know of have focused on their strengths. We look at the people the greats in music in athletics. Whatever it was. They played to their strengths. So how do you discover your strengths? One of my favorite ways has been using the Gallup strengths find it. It's a great tool. It's online. I'm not doing it ad. It's not a partnership. It's a tool that I really believe in, and what that does is it gives you your top five strengths, and your top thirty four strands when I saw my top five strengths. Eight gave me so much confidence to go all in on them. It gave me so much self-assurance. They gave me so much more focused because now I realized that to become successful impactful unhappy, I could just implement those and go all in on those and for me when I saw that one of my best skills were strategy ours, like, wow, I wasn't even consciously using. That skill. And that's the beauty that when you consciously recognize what values and strengths you have you can then use them better. It's like having something in your tool kit, but not knowing it's there, because it's buried under so many other tools, and so much of the noise. But when you find it, you're, like, okay, now I can use this. I know that it's here. Another one of mine was intellectually idealization in communication. And so I recognize that I had to stop focusing more on sharing. My is in that way. And now I wasn't looking at the other twenty skills going. Oh my God. I'm so sad. I don't have those Twenty-nine skills because I realized that this top five could change in my life, and I can guarantee that for you, anyone who's going all in on their strengths. Not just me. They would see growth in their lives. Now, it is important to recognize that the Gallup strengths finder or any strengths finder for that matter isn't enough. And the reason is because we consistently overestimate the likelihood of our generosity being set. Selfless having said and skills. And sometimes we estimate our abilities. And so that's why one of my favorite methods for this is something called the reflected best self exercise it starts by asking people who know you well, and that, you know, well to tell you about a specific time when you were at your best, and then what you do is you look for common themes to understand your strengths from all these different people, you can use three people, six people or nine people, and anyone that's done this activity anyone that I've ever coached, a worked with whether it's an athlete, an executive or anyone in the world of entrepreneurship they've seen this as a life changing. So this is what you have to do. Here are the steps. The first thing is choose your three six or nine people, and ideally, more, if you can identify ten to twenty people, you know, well that no you from different walks of life. This can be a phenomenal exercise. Try and find a set of people that you've worked with try and find. Set of people that have family and try and find a set of people that are friends and asked them to write a story about you about a time when you were at your best, right? When a specific time not a imaginary story, not something from when you were a child that was super inspirational something of, recent, will you really shown you at your best step to spot the patterns? When you get the information back look at the key themes that keep coming out, and try and identify three things from these ten to twenty interviews, ten to twenty stories that you think become common themes. Step number three is right out your own profile of yourself and give yourself your own feedback on what you're hearing from others and step number four, which is the one people usually miss out on, but I want you to do is focus on how you turn these into action. How do you not start acting on these intesting on these new found skills and habits? Or how do you. Raise your confidence by actually putting them into practice. How can you now do that this weekend? How do you use that skill this weekend? And when you're doing this activity, make sure that you have diversity in the people, you are you want people from different backgrounds, you know you in different ways, and you want people to be extremely specific. Those are the most important ways of getting the most out of that actively now step number three, this is probably one of my favorites. This one is helped me recognize comparing is so much more beyond what I think it is. And this is called study. People's pains have real conversations. You'll realize that social media is just not real, I speak with so many people from different backgrounds different walks of life, different socio economic backgrounds, every single week, I speak to some of the most successful people in the world. Are on the way our people are struggling people are stuck. And guess war when you study people's pains and have real conversations, you realize we're also much closer than we believe. We think that some people are just flying high and others. Don't you know, others have all the issues. But the truth is, was so much closer. When you study the people's pains of people, you look up to people, you admire you start recognizing that they didn't have easy, when you look at the people today that crushing on social media that have the biggest growth that have the most views they didn't have easy either. It's our belief that some people got lucky got things easily, or quickly that stops us from really recognizing and stop comparing. This is how we stop comparing, we realized the hard work that's got into something and we've recognized that that's where it starts for us number four. This is something that I've really put into practice and has saved me. From stopping comparing myself to others. And this is what I call collaboration. Not competition. I believe that when you can collaborate with people that you think you'd be competitive with you build a human friendship. You build a human relationship. You build a bond, and you crush competition collaboration crushes competition. You see anyone who's grown through social media? You look at anyone who's grown that channels. They're part Kostunica, anyone who's grown in their career. It's come from collaboration believe or not apple and Google collaborate on technology, Samsung, and apple collaborate on technology. It's not like they're always competing collaboration can lead to so much more than competition. And the best place to collaborate is with people in your space people at your level, people who are your peers, don't see them as competitors. See them as collaborators reach out to people take that first step. I remember when I first started creating videos, I literally reached that every creator and said, who I admire? Fired not offensively genuinely and put forward. Instead, I'd love to work with your love to collaborate with you. And guess what? Some people came back and now there's some of my friends and some people never wrote back, and that's absolutely fine. And some people have started writing back recently because of what's happened. And I'm not bitter towards them, ungrateful. I'm grateful because I realized that these things take time but take that first step focus on collaboration not competition focus on making that a priority. It will absolutely drastically change your life, and it will stop you from comparing because you recognize you can achieve so much more together. Right. You always achieve more together. Step number five, this one has really stopped me from comparing, and it's always being a student every time. I'm comparing myself to others and whenever we say things like, oh my God. They're doing so much better. Why is it working for them? Instead of focusing on go. They're doing so much better. If I sit there and awesome myself. Wait a minute. What kind learned from this individual? Why d- is expertise today? Have that they're putting into practice that I should be learning. So rather than judging people or labeling people you stay curious you looking for opportunities to learn and grow rather than to make a statement about someone else. So often we just say things like oh, it's a looks like it's working out for them. Instead we should ask yourself. Why is it working out for them? What are they doing differently? And often we try and externalize the onset. I'll give an example for so long I believed that any talent that was successful. It's because they had a great management team is because they had a great agency is because they had a great group of people. Round them. Now that's true to some degree, but after having to known several talent, whether it's athletes, musicians, YouTubers, social media, creators actors actresses, I've realized that the relentless pursuit of greatness by an individual is the number one thing they have that team is great. They do have nice people on them. They do have a good management team around them. But it wasn't an external person that led to their success. So when we choose to be a student instead of a judgmental person, and instead of saying while things always work out for them asking, why is it working out for them? What are they doing on a daily basis? One of their habits that is going to help you grow much more remaining a student number six is something that's so practical that you could do it right now. Do something small really well, do really small things with a big heart. We all need to feel significant and to feel. Significant we need to have an impact big or small volunteer, work with the charity, do something this weekend for your community, when you do something even small, but you do with a big heart. And you feel well that will boost your confidence. It will stop you from comparing yourself to others because you will feel self worth at the core. And this is where it's all at we spend so much time comparing ourselves to other people because we're not focusing on ourselves. When we try and do things with a deep intention so much can happen and method number seven this week can clear it out. Do something you've been putting off for a while. See we become less confident our self worth drops. Our confidence drops are officiency and productivity drop when we keep putting things off. If you keep putting things off you're going to keep feeling like you're failing, you're gonna keep feeling like things are falling apart. So do something you've been putting off for a while clay. Where the whole we can make it happen. And when you do that yourself worth will go through the roof, this would kick start a whole new journey and whole new phase in your life. So the seven steps of this number one, define what success means to you number to discover your strengths, make sure you take part in the interview, exercise number three deeply studied people's pains number four collaborate. Don't compete number five become a student. Always number six do something small with a big heart number seven do something you've been putting off for a long, long time. Because the biggest challenges we're comparing our behind the scenes to someone else's highlight reel. That's the biggest challenge, and you're gonna keep doing that until you stop focusing on your behind the scenes and you stop building, who you are, thank you so much for listening to this Soto episode of. On purpose? Thank you so much for all the reviews, if you haven't subscribed, make sure you do. 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From the Vault: Eternal Youth, Part 1

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From the Vault: Eternal Youth, Part 1

"Jerry Lewis v. Wave seditious Kurt Kobe, also Amy wine-house, Johnny cash and more disgrace them rock and roll true crime podcast stories about -sition getting away with murder behaving. Very badly is available now posted by me. Jake Brennan, you can listen to disgrace of the heart radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is Robert lamb and Joe McCormack, and it's Saturday ten to venture into the vault. This time with an episode about youth and aging this is attorney youth part. One originally published January fourth twenty eighteen this is one of the episodes. I think we did a pair here where we were sort of asking the question why animals age why why not just stay young forever? Yeah. Youth like diamonds in the sun. Right. Forever. Young alphaville. Hopefully, I don't remember if I reference that track in these episodes. But I hope I did I think he referenced it more recently when pointing out how creepy the lyrics are they sound like a serial killer note. Yeah, they're they're super creepy. Backtrack is the reason I didn't share my, you know, a lot of people sharing the curated lists of what tracks listen to the most in the previous year that was your number one. It was like it was it was it was up there way too much, and I have to I can only share that with people if I can also explain to them that I have a very creepy interpretation of the song. And therefore me listening to forever young is like most people listening to death metal. I'm gonna see you and raise you there because the other forever young also has creepy lyrics. If you listen to them. Oh, this is the the Bob Dylan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just go. Listen, you'll you'll see. All right. Well, let's jump right into it. Welcome to stuff to blow your mind from how stuff works com. Hey, welcome to step to blow your mind. My name is Robert lamb. And I'm Joe McCormick. Robert own ask you about a Greek myth go for, you know, the myth of Tiffany. This is not one that. I am readily familiar with my head. Yeah. Well, it's one of those great ones with doomed lovers aren't doomed lovers. Just fantastic. Is there a God show up and act particularly crappy towards mortals, not I don't know if it's on purpose? You do get Zeus being a jerk. But he might be like he's a jerk by accident. Or maybe he's jerk on purpose. It's kinda hard to tell because being jerk is kind of Zeus default thing in general. Yes. Zeus in this myth acts kind of like the Monkees Paul and the classic short story where you get the wish. But not quite in the way you wanted it. So here's how it goes. And this is the version that's in the Homeric him to Afridi's. So the the myth involves the goddess Eos uses the goddess of dawn, and she. Falls in love with a mortal man from Troy named Tiffany's. And this is horrible. Right. It's horrible for a goddess to fall in love with the mortal. Because while the gods may live Turnley dining on the Ambrosio and just going on into the future. Of course, mortal people as the name implies will die, and she hates this idea. She hates the idea that the man she's fallen in love with will someday die while she gets to go on living forever. She can't bear the thought of it. So she goes to Zeus and she makes a request. Will you grant, my lover Tiffany's eternal life and Zeus? Does it usually, you know, usually Zeus as a jerk? But here he's like, yes. Yes. I will do that for you AS while maybe he's busy. And he's just like, okay. I'm just going check this out the list because I've I've got this this other torment in mind for another mortal don't have time to be a jerk. Just bam. Eternal life. You will not perish and die like the other mortals. But then it takes Dr. Mark turn. So let me read from the translation of the Homeric him to afra- d and this is translated by Hugh Evelyn, white quote. So also golden thrown a oh s- wrapped away to the nece who was of your race, and like the death-list gods, and she went to ask the dark clouded son of Kronos that he should be death. Listen, live eternally and Zeus bowed his head to her prayer and fulfilled her desire. Okay. So he's granting. The wish to simple was queenly a Ohs. She thought not in her heart to ask youth for him and to strip him of the Slough of deadly age. So while he enjoyed the sweet flower of life. He lived rapturously with golden throne does the early born by the streams of ocean at the ends of the earth. But win the first grey hairs began to ripple from his come Lee head and noble chin queenly Eos kept away. From his bed, though, she cherished him in her house and nourished him with food Ambro Zsa and gave him rich clothing. But when loathsome old age pressed full upon him, and he could not move nor lift his limbs this seem to her in her heart the best counsel, she laid him in a room and put to the shining doors there he Babbel's endlessly. And no more has strengthened all such as once he had in his supple limbs. Okay. Well, this makes me think zoos probably just agreed to her request because all the gods. No that mortals are gonna ask for immortality at some point or the other, and it probably not going to raise the question properly, and you should let them have it because it will teach them a lesson you'll yell. He'll learn when he's old and babbling and decrepit, but cannot die because global cycles are filled with stories of of immortality gone wrong. It's either a wandering immortal his doomed or. Or or lovers who, you know, tain a potion of immortality, and it's mishandled. There's there's a wonderful example of this in in Chinese myth with the the the elixir of mortality and the and the woman of the moon. Oh, does it come back to bite her or come back to the person who wants it? It gets their few different versions of the tale. But essentially, you know, one person is immortal, and the others not that sort of thing this this this mismatch that we see president and the Greek tails, well men, why are there so many myths and folktales where people get punished for wanting better than their lot in life because you can't have it. I mean, especially when it comes to things like avoiding death and avoiding aging you're not gonna get it. So there's something refreshing about stories in which people do get it, and it backfires because that way we think. Oh, well, this this thing that I cannot have is actually not that. Great. So who think Innis, I'm going to grow old and die? I wonder if it makes you feel like you're not so bad off. It's like, well, I'm gonna die one day. But I could be like Tiffany. And that's even worse. Yeah. Exactly. So I think the myth is sort of an embodiment of this cruel fact, about human nature. It's not just that as they say in Bravo Salman must die. But that all people must decline. I think Warren's Yvonne put it best. He said time treats everybody like a fool, and I think that's the case and no amount of lawyers guns or money will get you out of this. That's right. So on one hand, you've got the idea of death and death is a sort of unavoidable fact, about biology because living organisms or these finally to. Tuned factories of chemical reactions in if you make substantial changes to the factory say by jamming a rock through part of it or biting part of it off or filling up with parasites that gum up all the years. The factory isn't going to work the same anymore might not work at all. We're physical creatures were subject to physical disruption. So the potential for death is unavoidable. It's sort of part of what it means to be alive, but aging not quite so much this steady time correlated decline in our biological fitness. Why does that have to happen? That's not physically inevitable in the same way that death is. Yes. And this is going to be the question, we're going to be discussing in this pair of episodes. Now do wanna drive home. We're not going to get as much into some of the mechanics of aging like we're not gonna get into a telomeres into Llamas and all all of that of though, that's a wonderf-. Insightful topic unto itself, we're going to be talking more about the these sort of evolutionary function of aging. It has one right aging is something that has such a cost for the organisms that undergo it like Tiffany what pays for it biologically. Why does it exist? Now underscore the fact that aging is not necessarily something that is inevitable, and especially not aging as early as we do. We should maybe look at some organisms that do not age in the same way. We do. Yeah. There. There are a number of organisms unsure number of them, come to to everyone's mind here, you think of ancient Horry tortoises stumbling across the ground, right, or perhaps your mind turns the Greenland shark will come back to that in a second. But really one of the more insightful examples here is the hydra or at least individuals in the hydra genus. So you're talking about the monster that gets its head cut off and grows to more know as much as I do. I love the the mythical hydra. No, these are the natural world hydros tiny tentacled creatures the continue to well scientists because they they have a number of just wonderfully bizarre and monstrous capability, so they can reproduce through sexual budding. They have these malls that opened up wounds and their body and then closed there's some fabulous videos of them doing that. It looks like you're staring into the mouth of hell in. They have this seemingly natural inability to grow grow old and die of natural causes they both low mortality rates throughout their lives. And apparently this is according to one doctor Owen Jones from the university of southern Denmark. He has claimed that it would take a fourteen hundred years for ninety five percent of a hydro population to die of natural causes in the lab. Wow. We'll will. That's a hardy species. Yeah. So let me let me back some of that up here with with some more facts about the life of the high. Okay. So there for Tila rates remained constant their entire lives. Which is is. We'll discuss is is pretty ache. And according to Pomona college biology researcher, professor Daniel Martinez. He has repeatedly found no evidence of senescence in laboratory coddled hydra in even goes so far as to state than an individual hydra can live forever under the right laboratory circumstances. Whoa. Now. Of course, that's the catch, right? The hydrogen natural environment offers sufficient hostilities to make natural death by old age impossibility disease predators water contamination. These are the things that usually kill a hydra off in due time. And likewise, scientists have yet to create a hydro utopia that can sustain them indefinitely. Now, this is a good point in the use of the word immortality, which sometimes comes up when people are covering organisms like these there couple of different ways, you could look at immortality. One would be. The Highlander version or something like that where there's just like nothing that can kill you except maybe one or two little things, but that you are generally invulnerable to death. And then there'd be a different version of immortality says. Yeah, you're vulnerable to death by injury or disease. You just don't naturally grow old and die. You don't have a cap on your life span that would be more like what are the elves of Middle Earth kind of like that like they can be killed in battle. But they don't grow old and die. Yeah. I mean, I would argue immortals of Highlander much the same. There's a there's a very specific thing it can do to kill them. And technically anyone can do. It is just you've got to get the drop on them. Right. We should mention that. We're popping in little references to Highlander to get you ready for the fact that one day soon, we're going to do a science of Highlander to episode, and I'm not kidding. Yeah. You have advance warning. So you can go review at least the first two films. I would say just the first films, actually. Okay. But back to the hydra and by. Logical immortality in the real world. Yeah. So this is a major point really for all organisms. The natural world is generally sufficient to ensure mortality it's dangerous. It's filled with competitors predators, pathogens, accidents, and all manner of additional hazards. No humans in their captives tend to live in a very privileged space largely removed from the threat of predation at least, you'll find other creatures with no natural predators. Well, typically, these apex predators. But that doesn't mean they don't have to deal with all these other dangers. We'll know when you think about an apex predator. Just because there's nothing that tackles it, and tears it apart and eats it that doesn't mean that it's not subject to attacks from its environment. I mean it, of course is subject to disease, but one of the other things to think about with an apex predator is these creatures are very often constantly at the edge of starvation. And so when you see the antelope running from the cheetah or something, of course that sheet is trying to kill the. Antelope, but by escaping the antelope is sort of also trying to kill the cheetah. It is starving cheetah to death by escaping that. She is a great example too. Because a cheetah injures itself in the pursuit of apprai-, especially if it tackles pray that is a little beyond its ability or or is potentially beyond its ability. It can sustain an injury that results in death. Not because it becomes infected or what have you? But because a wounded limb on cheetah can mean it cannot pursue prey and it starves, right? This is another thing we often failed to appreciate in the natural world is how how absolutely damning a small injury can be to an organism that has to hunt or escape hunters to survive. You also, of course, read about large cats that have turned man killer, and in some of these cases, I've remember correctly. Sometimes it has. To do with the decline of dental health when their their inability to depend on their their teeth for their traditional pray, and it leads to sort of desperate switch in their their selection of prey, so anyway, most most individuals are going to die or be killed before. They can grow old. So there's already a low probability of being alive and reproductive at an advanced age still hydrogen a really interesting because gets a reward of world example of how how undying creatures would work kind of biological level. They're hardy their genitive, they they evolved thrive in harsh environments, and it actually reminds me of an alien species that shows up in EM banks the culture series. Of course, go into the culture. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he he always managed to work, so many wonderful scientific topics into his his books in one of these topics biological immortality. All right. So we meet in the really the very first culture book, we meet the endurance. And here's just a. Quote, the durins themselves had evolved on their planet. Dear as the top monster from a whole planet full of monsters, frenetic and savage ecology of deer in its early days had long since disappeared in so all the other home world monsters except those in zoos, but the deer ins had retained the intelligence that made them winners as well as the biological immortality. Which due to the viciousness of the fight for survival back, then not to mention a deer's high radiation levels had been in Evelyn advantage rather than a recipe for stagnation now. I think that might be something interesting to come back to maybe in the second episode and consider whether it would actually work that way, and what the effect of high mortality different stages of life would have on the life span of an organism are one that note. Let's take a quick break. When we come back. We're going to roll through just a few other long living organisms that are not a hydro or in a deer in. Stor welcome to hysteria. 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The this one is pretty impressive because green sharks live where we understand now about four hundred years. And this is an exclusively wild species as well. This is not something you're gonna find growing old and fat in an aquarium these are sharks. Generally, don't do very well and aquariums wrecked. Yeah. And no one has agreement shark that I am aware of as of this recording a two thousand sixteen university of Copenhagen study estimated at one female Greenland, shark had it was it was at least four hundred years old and the species doesn't even reach sexual maturity until one hundred fifty so that not until they've reached an age that exceeds every human being who has ever lived and that's counting unverified, but not mythic individual humans. Right. Not the highlanders, right, or you know, biblical days. Right. Okay. Yeah. Now, of course, that's still not the oldest animal because there was a clam named mean. This is the first line of children's book. I know it should be. I I would. Be at actually be surprised if there's not a children's book about being there was a clam named Ming. Yeah. Ming did love to sing. Yeah. Is he writes itself? So technically Emane was a qua- hog clam. This is an Arctic variety of clam, and it was discovered off the coast of Iceland in two thousand six now at the time they thought it was around four hundred and five years old. So they named it after the Ming dynasty that would have ruled China at this time later estimates. And this is supported by carbon dating would boost that age to five hundred seven years half a millennium while so this means that the the creature was born in fourteen ninety nine and that's still within the main dynasty with thirteen sixty eight through sixteen forty four into throw another point of context in there. This was around the time Leonardo Davinci completed the last supper, it's the year Portuguese explorer Vasko gum reached India while that's when this thing was was born. And then it died in two thousand six. There was a clam naming and Ming remembered everything there now the plant were world, of course, has all of this beat. There's the the great basin bristlecone pine or pine along Gavin, and it can lead live to over five thousand years of age, and that takes us back to the very end of he'll period work on Stonehenge had begun with the age of the Faeroe. So it live through the rise and the fall of the Roman empire. Now. Of course, this highlights that different kinds of organisms have massively different potential when it comes to life span. Yeah. And of course, plans are very different from animals reminds me that one of the ideas that was brought up recently on our discussion module on Facebook. Our Facebook group that we should do something just on plants like what is a plant sort of strip it down to its basics. I kinda like that idea. It's a really lazy animal. Well, I've got a really lazy when for you here. There's at least one step beyond the great basin. Bristlecone pine, and this is something you'll find in fish lake national park in Utah in the United States, the quaking Aspen tree which also the state tree, by the way, also known as the trembling giant or panda, which means I spread. So what we have here. And this is this is one we're not everybody necessarily agrees with this might be sort of been ding, the definition a little bit of what is along living organism? But what we have here is a single clone of quaking Aspen connected by single extensive root system. That's roughly the size of attic and city one hundred six acres thirteen million pounds, and it's all eighty thousand years old. So what you're talking about is a forest that is all sort of in some way, the same organism. Right. It's it's not as simple as the clam was born century, and it died in this one. But if you if you've been the definition enough. New accept this. As an example. We're talking about a thing that his lives since humans. I left Africa to colonize the world while now wherever here's something. I've always wondered about okay dinosaurs. Yeah. You got to wonder how long they lived, especially because this warped by our sense of history. I think because they lived so long ago just naturally go to this completely illogical place where they must have lived a long time. Like, okay, Tarini source. Rex lived maybe three hundred years. I mean, they they they've got very big. So you have to imagine it took them a while to grow as big as they did. This would take a lot of years of eating and cell division. And all that. So so surely, they had very long life spans this used to be the the main theory in this was in part because their size, or at least the size of many of the specimens, and the fact that we thought well were essentially giant reptiles and so based on slow reptile growth rates and their size. They said well, big Dino. Probably live several hundred years, but today paleontologists believe they grew more like birds and mammals and this cuts back on their life stance somewhat. So for instance, the field museum of Chicago. They have this. These t Rex remains that they named sue sue. Sue is great. Yes. She's a wonderful specimen, you get to look right up at her and get a a sense of the the true size of this. This amazing species. Can I say something embarrassing cried a little bit at SU? I'm not kidding. When we were in Chicago. And just sitting there looking at sue for awhile did something to make a little misty. That's that's beautiful. I can understand it because it is like looking back in time to encounter, you know, fossil like that. Yeah. So sue is a rather big specimen, or at least the fossil remains a rather large and speak to a large specimen. They we think. Now that she probably achieved adult size at age twenty and live to a ripe old age of twenty nine. Wow. Wow. So I am now older than than this terrain. A- source. Rex was when it died. Exactly. Yeah. And and just underline what you had with the dinosaurs was likely rapid growth, but short lives now one sort of side question that we won't fully explore. But this this may raise the question, we'll dinosaurs have cancer because we thinking about rapid growth. Writing course. Well, basically, this is a question to come back to based on the research. I was looking at we only have evidence of the hadrosaurs the duck billed dinosaurs developing any form of cancer. Now, the caveat this the the only ones we have avance of that of that occurring in right? But it is interesting to think of the late model dinosaur has being the place where we see the cancer showing up. We gotta come back and do episode on dinosaur cancer in the future by all means. Well, I wanna do something that we often end up having to do which is that after we've explored a concept for a while, it becomes more and more common. Located in our laid definitions starts to get a little less useful. So I think maybe we should ask the question what actually is aging? Now, we have a pretty intuitive gut level understanding of what aging is we know it when we see it. But how would you define it? I mean, it's it is something different from death. And it is something different from just like, I don't know your skin getting wrinkles or something like that. What what is the actual scientific thing that all of the stuff we call aging has in common. This. This is a great question. I mean on one hand. It is closely tied to death. And I think one of the stumbling blocks that will wall readily admit that aging is something that our body does. But we tend tend to tends to be a cultural barrier place to sang death is something our body. Does we like to push that off onto some sort of external force of of fade or anthropomorphized dread? You know, where some sort of a limit imposed on us by God's. Well. Yeah. Death is something that we more often characterize as happening to us death happens to you. It's not something you do though there. You can kind of see the the division between the the death and the aging death. I was talking about at the beginning of this episode comes into focus because of course, death can happen to you. If you get a rock jammed through your, you know, through your body or something like that. But the body does seem to naturally progress toward death over time. And that's kind of a weird question. Like, why would do that? We'll definitely. Explore the science behind that question in the second episode that we will look at some archaic answers to it in this one because especially with the human with human experience of aging and death. It seems completely logical that in many cases, a human being would spend the majority of its life progressing towards death. Majority of your life is decline that just feels either gross or cruel or just like a horrible design flaw or. Yeah. Or nonsensical. Where's my attornal youth? This doesn't make any sense. So in his nineteen ninety one book the evolutionary biology of aging published by Oxford University, press, the biologist Michael R rose defined aging in the following way. Quote, a persistent decline in the age specific fitness components of an organism due to internal physiological deterioration. Now rose actually has offered has said that in some. Mhm ways we might need to update that understanding a little bit to accommodate for some new discoveries. But I think this is a good place to start. So let's look at the parts of that definition number one. It's persistent decline, which means aging only goes one way it's not characterized by decline in rebound and some organisms do have patterns like this is not quite aging. Like, you can think about the jellyfish that have regenerative capabilities where they can revert to a younger stage of life. Yes. But so it's persistent decline and then in the quote age specific, fitness components, biological, fitness, meaning the ability to survive and reproduce. So these are the things that are persistently in decline you become less able to survive and less able to reproduce. And then it's due to internal physiological deterioration. So it saying that this persistent decline in the ability to survive and reproduce is not due to disease or injury. But two. Something deteriorating within the body. Tissues themselves. Yeah. This is this makes me thing. Of course, the phrase cradle to the grave. Yeah. And with with the hydra, the cradle to grave is kind of a straight line with reproduction taking place at all levels until something happens to kill it. Whereas most of the models that we look at most of the models. We looked at in researching this episode it's more of a of a rise rising and lowering there's a rise towards like peak sexual maturity, peak reproductive maturity, and then a decline. Yeah. Yeah. And then it gets even stickier, right? Because we we've just tried to be very careful in how we're defining this. But then I realized that I said the it's a decline in the ability to survive and reproduce not due to disease or injury. But a lot of the things that are the characteristic signals of aging are sometimes thought of as diseases, even though maybe they're not caused by say, a germ or something there are all kinds of things like diabetes mellitus or like rheumatoid arthritis that are totally characteristic signs of aging human beings and their thought of as diseases, but they're not so much something that gets done to the body. By external forces the thing that happens when the bodies around for a long time under certain conditions. It makes me think back to our episode on Chinese mortality in about the the idea of the the older body being kind of an alien body. Like, it's different biology. We're changing into different being with different physical characteristics generally characteristics that that lean towards towards weakness. Absolutely. But then again, you can also look at aging through the microscope look at it on the cellular level. And this is where you'll often see people using words like senescence defined by by nature scientific glossary, quote senescence is the process by which cells irreversibly stop dividing and interstate of permanent growth arrest without undergoing cell death. Senescence can be induced by unrepaired DNA damage or other cellular stresses. So this is looking at it. On the microscopic level and saying senescence often used as synonym for aging happens when the cells stop making new rejuvinated cells, this is kind of the lack of upkeep keep model. It's the idea that well the house is falling apart because nobody's working on it. Nobody's maintaining or at least the maintenance has really been scaled back or is if it's been my experience this far with aging that you find the maintenance requests are are kind of rolled out in a logical way. Where you like you may think yourself why am I still sore from this injury? I sustained last month. But my my what my body's really trying to do is grow bunch of nose hair. Like why why is that the the the main operative that's been passed down to my body? You know, everything's beginning to get out of whack. It's if it's as if there's nobody in charge anymore, and they're just letting the house. Fall apart. Yeah. If you were the superintendent of an apartment building and be like, there's a water leak in the basement that has not been fixed for months and your repair person is busy building hundreds of kitchen cabinets on the roof. Yeah. Yeah. And you will in the old days. We didn't have all these kitchen cabinets on the roof and things got fixed wanted things get fixed anymore. That is a great question. I guess we should try to look at some answers to that. When we come back from this next break, this guy has killed somebody. You don't know who he is. He's left his DNA, and he is out nearby densely going to kill other people away. Police have submitted letters and on Phillips from the zodiac killer to a private lab to obtain DNA profile, so he's probably very worried, and he should be because people like me not gonna stop on March twenty six monster. The zodiac killer reaches its conclusion, listen and subscribe at apple podcasts on the high heart radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. We're back. All right. So let's look at some historical and lay answers to the question. Why do we age? What's the point? Why does it happen? One common example, that seems to make sense to people is the idea that our bodies overtime quote, get worn out. So in his nineteen fifty seven paper plea, tropy, natural selection and the evolution of senescence, which we will definitely come back to in the second episode here. The American biologist, George C Williams pointed out that one problem explaining the true, biological reason behind aging is that many people think they already understand what aging is and why it happens and they're wrong. They're wrong. But if you think you've already got the answer, you'll never go asking the question in writing of these folk explanations for aging he says quote. The most injurious of these is the identification of senescence with the quote wearing out that is shown by human artifacts. And doesn't this seem very sensical? Right arturo. Get worn out over time. If you use a knife, a whole lot of intially lose the the sharpness of its blade any tool you use too much. I'm thinking about a broom that we used to have for years around our house that eventually got worn down to Nobes there were just really no bristles on it anymore. Shouldn't our bodies be the same. It was reminds me I've had to explain this to my my son recently, where he'll get some sort of cheap toy, you know, as a prize or something, and in he'll be really into don't have to explain to him that this is not the sort of toy that lasts very long, you know, toys like this may last week or so, and he knows some simplist last forever. All they don't they don't really have to try to explain how pretty much everything that is made. Made by man is going to fall apart. Okay. After I finished, my children's book about Ming the clam. I'm writing a second children's book called toys die. Well, reminds me of the short story that that was was based on the exact title, but believe it was super toys last all summer, which always thought was a reservation title. That is great. But knowing knowing that we also know that they won't last forever. Like, you like you say so going back to what Williams wrote, quote, a moment of serious consideration should convince a biologist of the fundamental dissimilarity between these two processes, meaning the body wearing out and tools wearing out the breakdown of human artifacts is strictly mechanical and is readily cured by mechanical repairs. The system is a static one since the same material is continuously present. And there is no in dodging this changed with the passage of time and. Organism on the other hand is an open system in a state of material flux, even such structures as bones maintain constant exchanges with the environment. Moreover, an organism produces itself by a more genetic process. It is indeed remarkable that after a seemingly miraculous feat of Morphos Genesis. And that means like growing into the adult shape, a meta Zohreh and should be unable to perform the much simpler task of merely maintaining what is already formed. I think this is a fantastic point. I mean, it doesn't make sense to say we get old because over time our bodies just get worn out because our bodies have the ability to rejuvenate tissues. They built the tissues in the first place. They could just keep building them as long as they wanted. Yeah. I mean, I think part of this is the I mean part of it is just that we are so close to the aging process, we experienced it. And we see it in others were almost too close to it to have an objective view of it. And then your point we're. Informed by what happens to our tools? And then I also tying into the experience as well. In the wearing out of things, I think dental health has a huge impact on it because we observe this happening with our very teeth teeth of others that you get that those adult teeth in and those are the ones you're gonna have for the rest of your life as long as you can keep them, you know, they are going to wear out and unlike other organisms, there's not going to be an additional set there that are going to lock into place. Third children's book wind children get their baby teeth knocked out. It's called. This is your last chance. Yeah. I've actually heard parents I think half-jokingly talk about not wearing with brushing that much for young children because they're gonna throw seeking to that second pip PR. These are not even these are just the baby wait till the adult teeth come in and then start worrying, yuck. Now beyond these simple, folk explanations. We know there have been lots of thinkers throughout history who must have tried to explain why aging happens before we had modern modern genetics to really understand the true mechanisms, right? Yeah. This is you know, aging is part of the human experience. And so some of the great thinkers and human history have pondered it. We have a few examples here to run through for instance, Lucretia ninety nine fifty five he wrote about it in his text on the nature of things, and he argued that aging and death beneficial because they make room for the next generation. This is probably another full explanation. A lot of people would employ totally seems to make sense. You can't just keep living forever. Because you gotta make room for the next generation. Yeah, it'd it especially makes a sort of sense. I think for human populations when you have individuals who have over the course of their lifetime accumulated certain benefits and powers and. Sessions and the ideas. Well, when they fall away those resources spread someone else, you know, we we have always lived in world of a finite resources. And I wanna be clear. It is good that that happens the next generations actually do benefit from the fact that older generations grow old and die. But there are some serious problems with thinking about this as the reason biologically that they grow old and die. Yeah. No. This this observation persisted. Well, into the twentieth century, for instance, nineteenth century German biologist, August Viessmann also believed that the death mechanism created room for the next generation of young to thrive. And you know, I I have to as well that always it always I always kind of felt this was the case, you know, at a gut level without putting a lot of serious thought behind it before I investigated this. I assumed something along these lines. But then I started to doubt myself because I was like, oh, wait a minute. That's group selection. I always feel iffy about that. The problem here is pointed out by Daniel Fabian of the institute of population genetics, and in the publication nature is the quote, the cost of death to individuals likely exceeds the benefit to the group or species and because long lived individuals leave more offspring than short lived individuals, given equivalent reproductive output. So election would not favor such a death mechanism. Yeah. This is one of the classic arguments against any kind of group level selection influence, and we can revisit this in more detail in the second episode now, of course, another great thinker is era Stahl. Right. Yeah. And he, of course, wrote about this as well in on long jetty and shortness of life. Aerostat will tell us how it is. All right. Well. Before I go going here. I do wanna put on. I I am going to be the last person to to criticize Aristotle. Feel like he he did a lot with the wisdom of the day. Obviously. Right. And that's an understatement was not we're not gonna take the opinion that Aerostat Aerostat was dumb. I was talking. I was actually talking about this with my wife last night when I was running through the material about to to relate here, and she said, well that would actually make a wonderful like BuzzFeed style article like six things that dummy Aerostat wrong. I mean, he he got a lot of stuff wrong. But I mean, everybody in the ancient world. Yeah. I mean, he'd people just didn't know what we knew today. Right. And he was attempting attempting to figure it out he threw out a number of hypotheses that were not the did not shake out. Yeah. So here just a few quotes from the work that will give you an idea of where he was going the reasons for some animals being long lived in other short lived and in a word causes of the link and brevity of life. Call for investigation fair enough. Okay. Yeah. Same question. We're asking why does it happen? And then he goes on to say racism happening warm countries have longer life. Those living in cold climates have shorter time. Likewise, they are similar differences among individuals occupying the same locality, I don't know if that's true. I mean, we already touched on the Greenland shark in. I think we've gone more in depth on agreement shark in the past on this show. But a part of it is it's environment, which is quite cold. Okay. He also commented on the connection between the soul and the body. The soul must stand in a different case in respect of its union with the body. And then this at least a rings true hints to all things are at all times in a state of transition in coming into being and passing away. Okay. So this could be interpreted to mean something kind of like the fact that we're constantly undergoing cell division in our bodies, maintain them. I mean, obviously style didn't know this. But that our bodies maintain themselves through cell division and repair of tissues. Yes. And then there's this quote speaking, generally, the longest lived things occur among the plants example, the date poem next order, we find them among the sangomas animals rather than among the bloodless and among those with feet rather than among the denizens of the waters instating, these two characters together, the longest lived animals fall among sangomas animals, which have feet men and elephants. Clearly, we've learned how to make your aquarium fish live longer. You transplant some feed onto them. This. At least is good quote. As a matter of fact, also it is a general rule that the larger live longer than the smaller for the other long lived animals to happen to be of a large size are also those I have mentioned now, I'm sure this is not a hard and fast rule, though. I think there are probably some weak correlations along these long, we already touched on the dinosaur thing. But, but certainly there are some examples of rather large animals that have longer life spans within typical on jeopardy. Yeah. Now air settles working theory, though, is that all of it revolves around moisture in an organism. Yes. Quote, we must remember that an animal is by nature human in warm and to live is to be of such a constitution while old age is dry and cold. And so is a corpse. I think Aristotle also tried to explain earthquakes by way of moisture, I maybe misremembered. And he also said that aquatic animals don't count here because they're not humid there watery in quote watery moisture is easily destroyed since it is cold and readily congealed and finally he also throws in four in animals, the males are in general the longer lived. I don't think that's true either. Yeah. Believe in in in in many case, it is it is the female that lives longer, certainly in humans, though, that may be more pronounced in cases, where we've been removed from the like when we've got mon- modern medical care because for example, there is a lot of natural mortality during child-bearing. Correct. Yes. So you can maybe a point for air Stottlemyre, maybe point for modern science. We'll see. But anyway, that's that's that's what Aristotle had to say on the matter and. And I like I say, it's it's it's fascinating to look back on his writings and see how he's working the salt out totally. So in the end, I think we're still left with this biological paradox of aging once we think about aging in biological context. It's sort of fails to make sense evolution selects for genes that increase biological, fitness. Meaning they increase the chances of survival and reproduction aging is characterized by an organism level decline in the chances of survival and reproduction. So why would organisms that have been evolving for billions of years still age deteriorate lose the ability to reproduce eventually die? Shouldn't we have evolved to maximize survival and reproduction as long as possible shouldn't we survive and keep making babies until a leopard bites are head off? But obviously, this is not how things are. So what's the answer to this mystery will exp? Floor that in the next episode has a cliffhanger will it be a cruel twist of fate accident of biological mechanism that serves a purpose? I don't know. We'll find out maybe our genome has been evolving defeat leopards. All right. Well in the meantime, while you're waiting for the next episode head on over to stuff to blow your mind dot com. That's the mothership. That's where you'll find all the podcast episodes. You'll find videos blog post links outer various social media counselors, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram big, thanks, of course, to our audio producers, Alex Williams and Tari Harrison. 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