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Friday, July 30: Molly Ringwald, Whitney Cummings

The View

38:29 min | 2 d ago

Friday, July 30: Molly Ringwald, Whitney Cummings

"Matt a brand new views darts alive crichton now mandate march madness as outraged house. Republicans storm the senate in a protest march against mask requirements. The president spars with the media about his promise that vaccines would free us from covering up. Burn so will. We have to manage our expectations about ever getting back to life as we knew it. Plus molly ringwald is live to talk about starring with the next generation of teen stars in the rom com that kissing booth. Three comedy superstar whitney cummings on how she's reaching out to fans and joy is getting the last word on summer reads in the final chapter of the ladies. Get leads here. Come hot topics with whoopi. Sarah haynes joy behar sunny hostile megan mccain and ana navarro. Now let's get things started. Hello and welcome to the view here. We are another friday. And everyone's wanting to get back to normal life. But the latest report. From the cdc has pushed that timeline back it found the delta variant is not only more deadly. It's spreads as easily as wait for it chickenpox. They're asking officials to keep pushing vaccines and reinstate mask mandates which is caused house republicans storm the senate in protests temper tantrums. Like that aren't going to get us out of this. So what's it going to take for people to be part of the solution and not part of the problem. Anna i tell you when i saw that spectacle yesterday of all those house. Republicans storming the senate. I think i had seen that many clowns outside of a volkswagen and a circus a long long time. And it's doing nothing to help the progress of fighting coal that it's making no contribution and i think we all have to focus on that joy. I think i think we're going to have to have an all types of approach right. There's going to have incentives like the president announced yesterday and like some corporations and some states and cities are doing there. It's going to have to be some sticks. So there's going to be carrots and sticks. Things people are not going to be able to do. If they don't have proof of vaccine dying in places go to broadway do certain things. I don't think people should be able to go on planes. If they don't have proof of vaccination so we need to figure out ways to make to to have people feel some pain and we have to continue the outreach. And yesterday when i was watching the news i thought probably to me. The best messengers right now are not celebrities. Not politicians not preachers. You know what those patients that are in the hospital saying. I'm so angry with myself or not having been vaccinated. I thought this wasn't going to be a big deal. But here i am because what. We are learning what we have learned in this last month as that. Cove it and fighting. Kobe is an individual sport. It is a team sport. And even if we get a perfect ten if somebody doesn't show up if somebody doesn't score somebody doesn't get the vaccination we are all affected. We are all being held back and we are all being held hostage. And it is not fair to your grandson or sarah's children or grandchild or house grandchildren. We can't do this to our children. I would think the incentives should be the vaccine itself but elazig is not sunny. What did you think about house. Republicans are going on a field trip to the senate without masks yesterday. Well you know. I am not surprised because when you look at the numbers joy. I mean house. Republicans fifty four percent of them are unvaccinated compared to a hundred percent of democratic members of the house. So i'm not surprised that they're doing this because it's very clear that republicans have decided to politicize the virus. They've politicize the vaccine. They've politicized the mask a mask wearing this is part of their game plan because they think it's a winning strategy rather than work on chew legislation like the infrastructure bill and other things to help really help the american people. I think that when you have someone some folks like marjorie taylor. Green and matt gaetz. Who actually you know. Sort of tried to have a press conference for the political prisoners as they call them who participated in january sixth insurrection. Those are the folks that we saw walking into the senate. You have lauren boettger and it's moronic exactly like Nancy pelosi said it's moronic and it's just evidence of kevin mccarthy's acceptance of his new big tent party cunanan members insurrectionist now anti vaxxers anti massacres. What doesn't make sense to me is. Why are they pushing this when really it's their constituents that are going to die from this. We now know that forty six percents of conservative. Republicans are those that are refusing to take the vaccine so this is not about other. You know. I don't want to hear anything about false equivalences. This is an unvaccinated problem. And it's a republican problem. That's where the messaging is coming from. All right thank you for that meghan given this new data of people ready to manage your expectations about when we get back to normal. You think. I think that the white house should be honest with the american public and say that there is no going back to normal and that taking off the mask was just a ruse and they'll probably be lockdowns and again americans who wanna live as i said yesterday. I think this is literally going to become a state by state issue. And if you don't wanna live under masking and you don't wanna live under these mandates. Unfortunately you're probably gonna have to move to a state where they're not going to do it like in arizona. Look i made myself clear yesterday. I wish that there was a little bit of energy of coming from democrats particularly in washington. Dc where. I'm at right now about the violence going on and the homicide rate because quite frankly i have a higher likelihood of getting shot leaving this building. I do of getting cove aid from july fourteen. To twenty-eight there were four cova deaths and eleven homicides in washington. Dc so again. There's a lot of problems and there's a lot of ways to die. But i wish that republicans or excuse me democrats would care about that as well. You don't have to listen to me. There are people like david axelrod. Who have come out saying advisor to president obama coming out saying that it's really hard to incentivize people. Once you've had something taken away in politics and we were told we wouldn't have to wear masks. And yes i guess. The data is changing. And now we're told that we have to wear them including inside here in washington. Dc and there's very little high have very little hope that we're going to be pulling out of this. I think there's going to be more variants and more variance more variance. And unfortunately this is the new normal and until we get different leadership in in the white house. I don't have a lot of hopes that this is ever going to end one final thing if the white house truly wanted to show that. This was a bipartisan issue. That this is about getting everybody vaccinated not just democrats. they should give a little credit to president trump. And it's hard for me to say that. Because i don't like president trump but fast and furious did work and he got vaccines out in the amount of time. That was fast and furious. He said he would. And when jen psaki has asked about it she's very cavalier. And quite frankly snarky saying well. We don't need to give him an engraved invitation at this point. If it's this serious that we're going to lock down the country and everybody has to wear masks again including by the way two year olds then you should probably invite president trump or someone in trump land to help get the messaging out because until then we'll just being held hostage until this may be never passes. Nobody's gagging him. Nobody's gagging town can go out and tell his people to get the get the vaccine he does. I think it would be nice to see a bipartisan. Push formerly together and it's just never anything biden tries bipartisanship left and right up the wazoo and nothing all right. We we have to move on sarah yesterday. President biden suggested that states offer incentives. Like giving one hundred bucks for getting vaccinated. You agree with this approach. Absolutely i say whatever it takes. I believe in the incentives When they first came around and in may there was some polling that showed people were thirty four percent or thirty four percent of people said they were more likely to get that made him Make him was referring to you. Know they're just going to be more variants and everything else. There will be at this rate because right now we we've proven that vaccinated people can pass this in the more. This number spikes without people getting vaccinated. Which could start to quell those numbers again. It's vaccines versus variance We are going to keep seeing this kind of staying alive due to the divide on people in how they see this. But i think it's time to consider negative consequences as well because right now if you think about health insurance premiums there should be a penalty for not getting vaccinated and car insurance if you prove yourself to be a risk as a driver and too many speeding tickets accidents. Your premiums go up. The affordable care act allows insurance companies to charge smokers fifty percent more. That's at one and a half times more in premiums life insurance. You're allowed to deny people based on pre existing conditions which isn't a choice again. Let me remind you having had postpartum depression. I was denied in individual life insurance. Because of that. That wasn't about a vaccine. That i could go out and get. I think we need to start making this more uncomfortable. Because i follow france model when when a president. Macaroni instituted. anywhere you go. You're going to have to show proof of the vaccine or proof of negative tests. They saw a spike of one and a half one point. Seven million people in twenty four hours signed up for the vaccine. So let's just go that route right now and make it much more comfortable to be vaccinated. Not well we might be. We might be going the way of macron pretty soon but that remains to be same. We'll be right back. Still a hell the kissing booth three star molly. Ringwald comedian whitney cummings. And it's the joy of reading on the ladies. Get lead a lenny. Kravitz showed off more than his six pack ads. An instagram photo yesterday. He also showed off his handedness with a jackhammer which he was using to build a deck on his property. The sexy photos sent the internet hearts aflutter but it also poses a question. It's something particularly sexy about a guy who's handing you know. I have to say i find nothing sexier than a man with a drill in his hand unless the dentist. I have to just say that. I mean it so hot to me to see a man like fixing. What do you think sarah absa frigging lutely. He didn't have to try so hard though with the sledgehammer he could have just had like a little belt. Like bob the builder or something. I've always been. I think a handyman is just not something. I've run into very often. I love max. He's got a lot of talents but he doesn't love fixing things nor have i seen him successfully. Do it very often. So i always loved are super back when i lived in. The city name was brian and he was an angel and i still miss him to this day he could fix anything and i always thought gosh. Someone's going to be so lucky to have you. You fix everything it's great. It's great funny. I know you have a handy. Mammy at home don't show he's not just a die this lady you know. Manny's pedic surgeon. They're really carpenters of the body. He knows his way around any tool in in our house. And it's just amazing. I mean he's built the deck on our house. He has he. He refurbishes cars himself. It's something that's very cathartic him. He's installed air conditioning in this very room. That i'm sitting in because it was really hot. Where we're we're filming. He's pretty amazing. And actually for mother's day. This may not sound like very sexy to other people but his mother's day gift to me was that he would do any job in the house that i wanted him to. So he's very sexy. And when does this man have time to to do surgery if he's building decks feel. I know mondays and fridays. Let's hear about your husband. Does this joy please. i'm married. I'm married to a high maintenance. Latino this man thinks tying his own shoelaces is manual labor. He literally does not do anything anything. So lack of homer simpson showed up at my house with an open shirt and blue the leaves off. I think he would've sexiest man alive. Okay i think just. I mean pleased. Change a light bulb anything in my house. Right and meghan meghan. Who's doing the home improvement at your house. Well did you ever notice that like any any porn. Start with like home improvement guys. That's this made me. Think of like porn plots or like you know. The handyman coming. The doors the clearly. There's some like there's something like sexual attached to lake. How women ziemba and i don't know that's why i was thinking when i was thinking actually like the big lebowski like the scene in it so i don't know but lenny kravitz is ageless. And he's you know he's the sexiest man. Probably all time. So he doesn't need to do all this to make us think he's sexy already. Is like the most gorgeous specimen of a man that ever existed. So i like true. You girls are a bunch of women my husband. My husband is very handy. Jewish bob vila. I shared that. Yes i give give he. He's good he smart tail. I like it but he's not a doctor. Yeah which. I could use also every once in awhile back goes. We'll be right back. I want everything. Being at team superstars set the scene for molly ringwald to raise a team of her own. And how does she feel about her daughter following in her footsteps. She's live on the view next actor singer writer. The lovely molly ringwald is no stranger to the life of a teenager. She's been one. She's plagued one many times and she's a mother to a few of them both in real life and in her work on the new netflix film. The kissing booth three. We loved her. Then and now please welcome to fabulous molly ringwald. Hello molly thanks for having me. Thanks for being here molly. Now we've been talking about. The olympics in simone biles stepping back to take care of her mental health. You became famous as an actor at a young age and there was a lot of attention on you. Simone spoke to the pressure. The attention on her can bring. Can you relate to what she's saying. Oh absolutely i can relate. I think that You know being famous at any age is challenging. But i think having that all all about attention on you at a really young age is even more so. Because you're still you know developing. I think she's completely doing the right thing i. I'm i really commend her. And they oh. May you know. I mean i. I felt that pressure as an actress. But you know what she's doing when she gets up there and you know if she makes him stay it. She's not in that mental state. You know she could potentially be paralyzed physically. So you know i think. I think it's really incredible that these women feel empowered enough to take care of themselves. So i'm really happy about that indeed. It's pretty dangerous so when you were in your early twenties this interested me a lot. You did film in france and then you ended up. Moving there for years temporarily pausing. Her hollywood career took a big risk stepping away from all of that. Do feel you know for me. I feel like. I really grew up in the public. I mean and it was something that i that i chose to do. I don't feel like my parents were staged parents. But nevertheless i was i was really sort of like a bug under glass and and i really felt like i needed to go somewhere. Where you know. People didn't necessarily know who i was and at the time the john hughes movies you know weren't known everywhere. They were very well known in america. But but not so much france. So i really felt like i got to grow up by. Got to know what it was like to live someplace else. That thinks it's the center of the universe. You know because because wherever you go your rope in hollywood you know. It's pretty hard not to think that you're in the center of the universe but then you go to france and they think they're in the center of the university so it was really nice to sort of debt a different point of view and realize that you know that every everywhere you go Everybody thinks they're the center university. Then you just sort of have to make your your own center. And i feel like that's really what it did for me And i also learned to speak french which I had always wanted to do so it was. I think it was a really healthy thing but yeah it was it was. It was a risk in terms of my career. But i think i always thought in terms of you know the long haul and not just just didn't wanna burn out while learning another language is always a good bonus. Of course i speak spanish myself and i will tell you that your career didn't seem to suffer because the kissing booth movie series has been wildly popular. It's so much fun and you apparently have the third and final one coming out. I would love for some spoilers. What are fans going to this one. you know. i think it's just. I don't i. Don't wanna give away too. Many spoilers. But i i feel like it just wrapped up the story really nicely you know. I think kissing booth series is just a. It's just a really great. Feel good movie and i think you know everything that we've been through that we're still going through a in the past year. I think i think that's exactly what everyone needs a by the way this is. This is milly ringwald. I don't know if she's distracting. And i have marlene actually right here by my well. Listen we have a clip of the movie. Let's take a look like lots of people figure out what they want to study. Once they start going to college. So i know but did you ever stop to think that maybe your choice school had more to do with what other people wanted for you rather than what you wanted for yourself. Maybe it's time that you think about what it is that you want to do. Figure out what your dream is what you're passionate about and then choose a school based on that and not let anyone or anything change that thank you and a few years ago. Molly you were a hot topic on our show. You've written an incredible piece for the new yorker talking about john hughes the movies of his you start in pretty in pink's sixteen candles the breakfast club and what it was like to show your oldest daughter matilda the breakfast club when she was ten years old. Have you shown any of those movies to your twelve year. Old twins yet. No i haven't not yet and they're asking pretty much daily. I started stealing myself again because it was a really emotional experience to watch it with mathilde. you know i i. I don't really like watching myself In anything 'cause it's emotional for me too. Because i remember so much stuff i mean. It's it's good memories but there are some bad memories in there so just kind of. I'm sort of working my way up to it but it's pretty much a it's a. It's a daily request especially for my daughter adele Who's also happens to be the most woke individual that. I think that i've ever met so i know that i know that it's not gonna be easy just going to say why did this happen. Why did you allow that blah blah so You know. I figured i would start with pretty in pink and then kind of work my way towards the breakfast club And i know. I have to do it soon because really at that age. You know that they really you know every all their friends had seen them so i know i have to do it. Well you and your husband have three kids a seventeen year old daughter and a twelve year old twins. Wow we all came to know and love you as a teenager in the movies still look really young though and more recently playing the mom to teens and shows like the secret life of the american teenager riverdale and of course the kissing booth film series have those experiences molly in any way influenced your real life parenting or maybe vice versa. I thought that you know being a teenager being known as the most famous teenager for so many years than than being what. I call the team buddha now for these various projects that have to do with teenagers. I thought that it would give me some sort of an edge or inside knowledge and it doesn't at all you know it's sort of like all bets are off with my own kids other teenagers. Listen to me and other. Teenagers might be cool but my own kids it. No not at all. So i'm sort of like any other parent You know they give me a hard time. They don't they. Don't see me as a celebrity or you know which is good. I think we were all at separating my my my persona my professional life from my my work as a mom and i i feel like that's the way it should be. That's kind of how. I stayed grounded and saying all these years is i really always had a a real separation from my public persona and my private likes. And that's the only way that i know how to survive in this business but you seem very grounded and i'm sure people still you'll still pretty in pink. So thanks for coming by molly and good luck to you for everything the kissing three starts streaming on net flicks august elevens. And we'll be right back. Does standup superstar whitney cummings think cancelled. Culture impacting comedy and did lockdown shutdown her dating life. She's live on the view next. When hiring gets hard you need indeed the job site that makes hiring incredibly simple just attract interview and hire in fact with indeed. You can do all of your hiring in one place. 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Now wherever you listen to podcasts. We see the tax messages. She didn't send to you the ones that are too crazy to even get to your phone. Were the ones that put us up to that. I was like no. You're not gonna kidnappers mom deleted phone. Just give me the phone. Give me put the phone down. That's too many bubbles. He hasn't responded five days giving the phone. That was comedy. Superstar whitney cummings in her twenty nineteen netflix special codes. Can i touch it. And now she's about to launch a brand new nationwide stand up tour called touch me. I think i'm detecting a pattern here. Please welcome whitney whitney. How are you pursue. I've air so so whit knee. We'll get to the tournament. Br i i want to ask about your hair. 'cause i understand. You experimented with a lot of different colors during the pandemic which prompted a lot of your friends to reach out to you what they said or were they. What did they say. And what are some of the benefits of having crazy hair shocked that. None of those photos or mugshots. First of all the reason. I decided to dye my hair was during the pandemic. Six seven months in a lot of my friends are makeup artists their hair artist and they weren't able to work. They were losing their health insurance. Everyone knows jobs where you had to be close. Proximity to people's malls and noses and droplets were unemployed. A friends of mine were losing their health insurance. They were having to move home. They were really struggling after they had just built their dream built a business. So i called a hair artis friend of mine who was struggling with paying health insurance and i was like look. Let's get tested. let's go outside. Let's wear masks. I'm sure bleach will kill this thing. What's the most expensive thing we can do. And he goes. I can dye your hair. Pink can bleach it and pink. And i was like well. People are gonna think i'm crazy and he's like that ship sailed awhile ago. Why don't we just do it anyway. We've dyed my hair pain. And i mean within two hours of posting it. I got thirteen. Texted said are you. Okay i started getting. I started getting ads in my algorithm. For like betty ford rehab. Everyone was so worried. What would world changes their hair color. Everyone thinks they're they're insane. The good thing about it is during peak cova when we weren't sure about how. This virus was transmitting. If you're a woman with bluer pink hair people naturally just stay six feet away from you so you don't have to worry. People were like crossing the street and then my life to started getting better and better. People stopped asking me to babysit their children. They stopped asking me to pick them up from the airport. It's kind of a life hack one asks you to do. Anything requires responsibility. Okay first of all whitney. I love you. Laughter is my favorite hobby. And you literally have me like my ads already hurt. And we're barely in but you were speaking of a good time in the pandemic you were single at the start of it but continued to date and somehow with all your different rainbow hair found a way to meet someone that wanted to be within six feet of you. How did that happen. And what was dating like during the pandemic well the guy that updating is great because he gets to cheat on me with me every day i have different hair color. What i have decided you now is. My hair is blonde like megan's and i'll just spray a different colors like every day like just sort of you know i treat my hair like Like an an unabridged and underpass. I'll just kind of spray different colors. And i thought you guys i would spray orange and i sprayed orange and i am worried. I look a little rachel. Dole is all because i did spray on the side of my head so please don't cancel me but i the beginning of the pandemic ice started dating my veterinarian. Because i had a dog gets sick right at the. That's my dog at the beginning of the pandemic and i went in to try to get my dog emergency care but this was the time when you have a mass candy. This was before we knew it was going on. And i'm like banging on the door of the vet office. And they're like ma'am. You need to leave. I'm spring droplets everywhere. i'm crying. And they're like ma'am you need to get out of here and then this guy was like i think that's whitney cummings. And he gave me his cell phone number big mistake. That's him doing my medical care or taking out a splinter and so he gave me a cell phone number huge mistake. 'cause i don't know if you guys know weed is now legal in california and the pants me having my veterinarian cell phone number i was just like texting him constantly doing like dog booty calls like can you come look at my dog's eyeball and he would come over and i was like screw it. It's a pandemic. I if i'm going to date anyone has to be a medical professional member when you couldn't get in ninety five i was like i'll just i wasn't i'm not a gold digger. I don't care about money. i was like. I'm using men for their ninety five at this point so then we started dating smart. He's he's eight years younger than me. So i never thought it would really work out. I didn't take it too seriously. But you know the younger guys are actually maybe more mature at this point. He's he's very chivalrous. You opens the door for me. He carries my luggage. I think it's just because he thinks i'm too old to physically do it myself. I'm not sure it's chivalry. Or he just thinks i have osteoporosis. But he's so great. Enjoy an mega. I'd love to know your take on this. I think i might propose to him. Is that crazy guy is yeah. My vets are old ladies. No fun and that's your vets. Yeah another dog joy and you know as a woman that's in a male dominated field. He's a man that's in a female dominated field. We're kind of you know i love it. Favorite show growing up was who's the boss. So we have our little like judith. Light tony danza. Dynamic going and but i think i might propose to him because well number one. He's a deserter. Euro doctor. He's got you know student loans and he cannot. He can't afford the engagement ring that i need to make my ex's jealous so i'm going to have to buy the ringlets shoe. I don't want him to lose to me. Because i don't want him to see my neck from this angle so i don't want him getting down at one eight so i think i'm just gonna propose to him. I think it's a good idea. Go for go for it. Well whitney you. You've made sarah's avs her. But since i don't have any ads you can keep telling jokes. Nothing's gonna ever hurt for me but listen after a year of holding socially distance comedy set in your backyard among other places. You're finally getting back out on the road with your national touch me tour when you might wanna rethink this touch anything. But maybe a better name would have been. Don't touch me there. Yeah what are you looking for. Though being out there on the road and being on a stage in the title me of course it came from you know after a year of complete touch deprivation being in situations where a lot of us couldn't hold our own nieces and nephews are hugger own family members and being so deprived of touch like yes. I had a boyfriend. But i don't let him touch me. Don't be ridiculous. But i wanted to sort of talk about what it's going to be like when we are in spaces again when we're all sort of socially awkward and farrell and what. It's like to be afraid of each other how devastating. That's been a lot of us. And how crazy you go when you are. Touch deprived made a movie about neuroscience called the female brain. We're wired to need touch but also emotionally being touched. You know this has been a really heartbreaking time for our country for the world for the last four or five years. We've been seeing people get torn apart both physically and emotionally and politically. And i really wanted this tour to bring people together and and focus on the things that unite us and don't abide us. You know when you get a thousand people in a room all laughing at the same jokes. It's a reminder and makes very hopeful that we have way more in common than we don't and if we can all get in a room and just laugh. There's something so healing about about that. So i wanted to be touching. The double entendre has also this specials more motions. It's not just me making like you know Silly jokes about dating. I go a little deeper. And and i think something that we're gonna talk about anyway. This moment of quote unquote cancelled. Culture has has given comedians sort of the impetus to think a little harder about what we say how we say it and dig a little deeper and instead of just going for the cheap laughs how you move people. How can you touch people. How can you change people. And how can we use our platform to unite instead of divide and he'll instead of punch down punching down is never a good thing has never been my particular stock in trade. I do not like that. So i'm always with people. Gather you've i've always admired you. Thank you thank you but humor does sprint people together so keep doing it and good luck to you. So we want to wish whitney cummings the vast her touch me tour. Crazy title kicks off september tenth for tour dates and more information. Go to our website. We'll be right back So all week long with sharing some of our favorite summer reads a series. We like to call ladies get licked. Say there's a double entendre get it and today it's time for more so here we go. What do you think of when you hear the name. Leonardo no not to capri davinci. Okay we think renaissance man and not just someone who created the mona lisa. Either he was a master of arts science anatomy architecture and physics among other things and then the book. Leonardo da vinci author walter isaacson talks about how davinci designed and invented things like the helicopter. That's right wouldn't come to. For wishing for several centuries this book takes a look inside the life minden creative process. He's one of the greatest geniuses of all time. It's a very interesting read to. There's all sorts of new information. Like i found out. Listen to this. Davinci was born out of wedlock. Yes and because of this. His the good news. He was free to become the great visionary that he was if he had been born with illegitimacy of marriage he would have been forced to follow in his father's footsteps and become a notary. Not that there's anything wrong with being a notary. I'm just saying okay. book number. Two my second suggested some read is the amateur marriage by the great writer antilock. She is the most brilliant. This is an engrossing novel about two very young people who fall in love during world war. Two they're too young. They don't know what they're doing and unfortunately couples completely mismatched. The book takes you through their thirty year. Marriage of mismatch with a can't seem to bridge their deep-rooted differences. They love each other but they can't seem to be together happily it said and yet it's funny and entire manages to be both amusing authentic. When she writes. I really enjoyed both of these books very much. And now i'll virtual audience can share my experience because they're all getting a copy of each book and check out our website to find out. Fifteen home viewers can win. All of the votes from route. Selections in the ladies get lit series. We'll be right back. That's our show. 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The Breakfast Club

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Pretty fucking incredible. What you can do. So we're covering the breakfast club today. Is there anyone who is not seen this movie round a reply? Oh, okay. Someone is that writing for we've. Eager for knowledge. We're about how the breakfast club kind of sounds like the Bechtel cast right except we wouldn't let John Hughes anywhere near us. What is your history with the movie, Jamie? Judge Nelson made my mom really horny. And that's the most. Now, I saw this movie in high school, and I thought it was fine as on college. I bow was fine. And I saw a few days. Go thought it was fine. I don't like I just I, you know, I just John Hughes movies. Just don't do much for me. Even if they're like, not promoting rape. Like, just not. He's just not my not except for some parts of local buck. Oh, sure. I like trains planes and automobiles I think that's my favorite. What is that about it? Well, it's Steve Martin and John candy so already I'm not in passing the tests. They hate each other. They use a lot of modes of transportation. That's pretty much it. That sounds pretty good. I would watch that. So it's just the two of us today. We don't have a it is, oh, I got about my history with the movie. Yeah. We'd never done this before surfers step aside. My history with the movie is I sought for the first time in high school. I think one of my like English teachers was like, hey kids. You. He encouraged us to watch the movie as like an assignment, I don't know. There's something about like we watched it in school or something like that. And that teacher was later fired. Not not for that. He was fired because it was discovered that he was an erotic dancer. Oh. You should have been fired as a teacher for that. Hold on. This story has taken a turn. I heard about to say how he's a molester. It's like sure everyone eastern insured duchy molester. Okay. See that was that was my track. Coach. Yeah. But that's that's not fair. No, that's tough there. This is kind of like a cool old person movie to show young people there like I get it UNC Emilio Estevez cry. I get it. Yes. Sure. Yes. I guess he really leveled with me. So do the recap. Yeah. Let's do the right cap. You know, people love a recap. And we don't have a guest. So that means I get to interrupt twice as much. Pretty cool. The movie opens with glass shattering. No. It opens with David Bowie quote. And then glass sorry. You're like, okay. What are we in here? So like, John Hughes. Charlie Brooker, my right. It's a black mayor joke. Stop making fun of Charlie Brooker computers are actually bad a wise. Oh, yeah. Technology actually little scary. Aren't you? A hacker though. Yeah. That show is Charlie Brooker or warning everyone about me. Speaking of hackers though, there is like in the beginning with the montage of all the quick cuts like the school it shows a classroom and one of the signs there's like a sign hanging up in the classroom. And it says hackers will be expelled has anyone noticed that? Yeah. It's go back arches. Archie persecuted. Okay. So Benz, we meet five students. They have detention for nine hours is that normal. Did anyone have anything like this at their school? You just have to spend a feature length amount of time with people know, it's like Lord of the like all day Lord of the rings movies worth of time. Yeah. I feel like that's asking for someone to get beat up. Like if you leave five teenagers in a room together for nine hours someone's going to get hurt. That's just how teens work. So the five students we are. Claire the Princess Molly ringwald, she's like the rich popular girl. Type. We've got Andy Clarke, the athletes, that's Amelia, Estevez's character. Yeah. He does cry. They all cry. I think Brian AK the brain. They may anagram am. I right. And they might go hall does not rape anyone in this. John Hughes movie. So that's good. Scene. Six handles get very different anti my actually, you kinda get the same character. But a rapist true wild, Alison Reynolds is the basket case that's ally. Sheedy Sheedy's character. She's not like the other girls true. And finally benders the criminal. Let's Judd Nelson's character. He's twenty six years old twenty six in this movie kissing a sixteen year old Molly ringwald and just a behind the scenes fact that I found freaky like a lot of male actors choose because they won't get in trouble. If they do Judd Nelson was like, I think I'm gonna go method with this and just bullied Molly ringwald for the entirety of the movie. He's ten years older than her offset. Right offset and John Hughes at one point tried to fire him and then all the teens were like, no it was it. I don't I can't Keser tales of that. But it's true anytime a mandate, he going method. He just wants to yell at someone like, that's right, literally what it is. Also, we talked in the car on the way up here that the members of the breakfast club are all also sort of the Spice Girls. Break this down. Okay. Sporty spice, obviously, a million Estevez. Yeah. Yeah. Scary spice is Judd Nelson. I see this is this is where we don't. Okay. All right. Let me make a case for this grunts Jesus. San francisco. We thought that. Posh is Molly ringwald. Can we agree with that baby? We said was Anthony Michael hall because he's innocent and blonde. A flesh colored head and hair person. Underwear? That would make ginger alley CDs character, I it's not a one to one match, but we've got a solid three out of five. But then also ginger is Molly, Molly ringwald is gingery based on hair-color alone started to reduce taking their hair, we're taking her whole here. Anyway, let's move on. We've got Richard Vernon. He's the teacher physios cares after assistant principal who are in their often. I like that's like a stock. Character of like, the put upon assistant principal isn't captain underpants and assistant principal or was he the principal. I think he was the assistant principal anyway says scholarly observation. And he's like this disciplinarian. He's like you guys. Can't talk can't move, blah, blah, blah. And I have to write an essay about who. They think they are. Then bender the tough guy. He's trying to get a rise out of everybody. He's like you're a nerd and everyone's like, well, you're a jock. And then they're all just hate each other show their labels because teens, but they mostly ignore the, quote, unquote, basket case girl, and then she doesn't talk for most of the movie, then we see a montage. All the stuff. Take out the dancing montages as movies thirty five minutes long. Lada dancing verses a shot where Anthony Michael hall's character is like adjusting his crotch and then like puts his hat on his lap. Are we to believe that he has a phone are? I don't know. I don't I hope not too hard to say hard to say. I don't know. Sorry. We can't know. Okay. So it's hard because there's like kind of not a plot. So I don't know how to recap this. They could only afford three rooms to shoot the movie in. So they got a moat in a lot of different confined spaces. I don't know. They're just Herat like harassing her out while most of the move call. My name's they launch at some point. And then there's this conversation where Brian is like, I'm a virgin, but I'm embarrassed to admit it, and then Molly ringwald like, I think virgins are cool. And then everyone's like, oh that ruins like woo treadmills. Like were you guys talking about? You know, a lot of points brought up. Yeah. The bender. Character reveals that he's being physically abused at home by his father, or we learn different sort of backstories of each of the characters like Ali Sheedy's. Character is ignored by her parents, which is why she is eating dog food or something. Like I saw too much what my thought too much of myself in her. I was like, okay. So she's like a teenager. But she's she's like, but what do I do? She just had access to my lemonades. She would be drinking. Mike's hard lemonade went she. Yeah. When she was saying, she was drinking vodka. But she she can't even get her hands on an H L. Embarrassing. So she eats pixie sticks on sandwiches. Instead, he's not like the other girls everyone. She's she means you to know. And then there's a point where they go to bender's locker to get weed. And then they think and there is homophobic slurs written all over his locker. And then they think they're going to get caught because they are running around the halls trying to dodge Vernon in a scene that is not unlike Titanic where Jack rose for are running around the ship. And then the Billy Zane with Billy's aim was in this movie too much. He says he being in back to the future as one of bibs crony. That's true a plane of similar character to the Nelson character as long as as getting work. Yeah. I didn't even sleep at night. So there's a gate. And they can't go any farther just like, Jack and rose. So they have to turn around after to find another way, and then and then one of them drones. No spoilers. We won't skirt is. But in the breakfast club bender is like all sacrifice myself. So he goes running around all crazy in the halls and gets caught. So that the other don't. Yeah. And then there's also the scene prior to that where the assistant principal verbally abuses bender and the like just it that's like a tough scene to to unpack. But at the beginning, you're not sure why benders being such a dick to everyone. But as as the movie goes on EC user to understand why. So by the time, he's flailing around and got the weed. You're like, okay. This is this is like sixty percents fine with me. Right. Yeah. And then shortly after that whenever he gets caught by Vernon. He like walks bender in a closet and then like tries to initiate a physical fight with him. And then we see like sane him kind of bender like back down and not engage. So maybe he's more sensitive than we all think or maybe his teachers trying to fight him like. Like an unhinged person. Like, everyone at this school likes me. No, one will believe me if I fight you like, what are you talking about sick? Oh, and then bender escapes through the air ducts and gets back into the library airy mission impossible true. And then he hides under a desk 'cause Vernon comes in. And that's when we get the famous and upsetting underwear crotch shot of Molly ringwald get. We'll get there. Don't you worry? There's and then they're all there. They smoke the weed. There's a million dance break your cool. You cannot have an eighties teen movie with Al Kevin bacon or Emilio Estevez or someone. Just dancing for like, five minutes, straight guys. Remember, when we was cool still this movie brings you back to when we was cool, right? And now for dads trying to tell you they get it. And then we get to the scene where they're all sitting around and they're talking about sex ever heard of it. Who's horny who's not? That's not how it goes. They're like all virtues, basically pretty much. Yeah. Benders trying to he's like he goes back to berating Claire for a bit. They all talk about here. We're going to be friends after this. And then Clair's like, I'm to popular straight shooter. And then Brian reveals that he is failing shop right class. And then the reason he got detention is that he brought a gun to school with the intention of committing suicide. But with a flare gun, which is played as a joke. And it's I don't know we can talk about that later. But also, we're yeah. Remember the days when you could bring a weapon to school and only get Saturday detention like what? Oh, goodness. And then Allison's like I didn't do anything to get detention. I just showed up. But first she says a lot of fucked up stuff. Yes. And then. Yeah. And then her her secret as it were whatever is is that she is a compulsive liar. Right. And then they dance again. Right somehow, they dance again because early as recycling shots, generally rose Jokic meal Estevez's dancing, and then they dance as a group. That's the video that Alexandria Cossio Cortez with recreating when she was a student at Boston University. Now is a great time to bring up that. I do have a master's degree in screenwriting from Boston University. Thank you. Why would you cheer for that? Unfortunately, a oh see, and I did not overlap at our time at BU, but you know, you represent. I'm sorry, Jamie. I also to college. Thank you so much. Guys. It's a fucking scam. No one. Hang the fucking scam. And we're all going to be in debt until we're dead, please plank or merge over there. Because we are drowning in student loan to the class on lost in college. Just like the show, and I'm yeah. And I'm never going to own a home just like shar worth it. Okay. So after the dance where they all dance. Claire gives Allison a makeover. Because women right, right? We'll talk about that. And then Claire for no reason, it seems goes and kisses bender on the collarbone. Yeah. I mean because after harassing her for nine consecutive hours. She's decided he's worn her down in really really really male writing going on there. And then Andy who who sees Alison is like, wow, you're prayerity. You take your hood. I love you. And then meanwhile, Brian who has no one to kiss is forced to do. Everyone's homework. Which honestly is a wild power move that I thought was a little funny. 'cause he because they were all like the that moment. I was like Brian you seriously falling for this. Like, he's there, Bryan. You're the smartest out of all of us, which they know is what he wants to hear. And he's like BSO, and they're like so thinking, you would do I'm like this happens to like dorky kids in school all the time. They don't fall for that shit. After awhile Brian's too old to be falling for that trick grow up. Brian don't right. Everyone's as a but he does. And he's I like you see is how you wanna see us Mr. Vernon. Yeah. He kind of goes edge Lord on you. He's, but we're the criminal and Princess and bash. To teach Guinness. Can you imagine? Like if you were a person doing their job is I'm in love you that letter. I would literally be like. Yeah. Fi avid throw it away. Immediately. Awesome. And then and then all leave and there are two had a row kisses, and then all fingerless gloves pumps, his fist. And then we all get to go home. And that's the movie the movie. This is April Callaghan and Cassidy Zachary, we are fashion historians and together, we host dressed the history of fashion a podcast where we explore the who what? 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I don't I mean things I appreciate about this movie are that it is a movie that even though it misfires and a lot of directions. And and and when ways we'll talk about at least takes teenage characters seriously. And and for the most part we're seeing teenagers like acting out, and and you know, often harassing each other and teasing each other. But at very least you get background for everyone in some context. And unlike a lot of other teen movies, it doesn't go the direction of playing the adult in a totally comical way to like often, if it's like a movie directed or marketed, it young people, it's like all the teams get it and the adults are fucking idiots, and they are. But like it you at least get background on them as well. Well, certainly, and I don't know everyone fell at least there was attention given to every character. Even if a lot of it was like, no. So I appreciate it that. Yeah. And I agree. I I I don't have an a special attachment to this movie either. Again, I'm not a huge John Hughes fan. But I mean, he was doing what no one was really doing at the time. And this is something that Molly ringwald brings up in the piece that she wrote for the New Yorker where he kind of revolutionized stories for and about teenagers. So I I understand why this is a beloved movie would then and still now, and I think that one of the things that I think it does pretty well in this is kind of Mirroring what you were saying, Jamie. But it spends time and attention on each of the character. So, you know, we talk about the female characters, and they are although I don't know about that character whether underrepresented in this movie in general because you see the breakfast club is male character, heavy and. Then the other three adult all three adult characters. You see our men the assistant principal Carl cool. Janitor Carl shout out to my frigging boy. And then Emilio Estevez is while now dad who isn't who's a million Estevez's real debt, isn't it? Someone Fehmarn Shane Martin sheen missed opportunity what someone is heckling Maureen. What's up? President dude. Arizona was canceled today. Pay attention. Come on. The Martin she Grayson Frankie season five. Oh, yeah. You might know him from grace and Frankie. I love that show. Anyways. What were we talking about too, many men? That's a note. Only. But yeah, I mean all three I think it was like a misstep in to be generous with John Hughes who does not have a good track record in a lot of respects making every adult character, presented a male character is both weird. And also not reflective of the education system. Like, it just was like, I dunno. It just seems like a dumb missed opportunity. Yeah. We see Brian's mom, very briefly. And I think I don't think we see any other parents. But she's like study, obviously, I mean, we see dead a millions daddy forever. But in addition to that. And I think that one's yes sport that. Yeah. And I think with the Molly ringwald character like so much attention is focused on her which is good for our discussion. But with the basket case ally Sheedy character, she doesn't even say words until like thirty three minutes into the movie or something like that. And then it's like acting. Vaguely feral like, it's it's a her character is is confusing. And it's weird because it's like it comes out that she's a compulsive liar, which is played as a joke. Basically. Right. They're like, oh, everything this. But like if you will you have two female characters and at the end, you're like, oh, this female character one of the two don't listen to it where she fuck. It says let's not a true word comes out of this lady's mouth like that. That's not that she said much to begin with because then she doesn't speak again. Until like, I think it's fifty nine minutes into the movie, but the things she does say at the are very dark like he says that she has sex with her therapist as an underage girl. Like, she says some really dark stuff, and and then to like sale at seven then just like, oh, I'm a compulsive liar. T he and then kiss a million Estevez is like. First of all what? And that's a very nineteen eighties. Like glazing over of what like of a discussion of mental illness. True. And like compulsive lying is a very blanket term that it's clear the writer doesn't understand or is done any research on. And he just kind of uses it ultimately as a way to be like, well, hope you weren't listening to her because she's nuts, and, but we may hear pretty so now she gonna kiss Martin sheen, son. Like, which is a bummer because I love ally. Sheedy and that I mean, it's it's weird. 'cause I feel like a lot of young women, and and you know, older road who see that movie more closely aligned with her than with Claire, but the chasm between those two people is like no one is really either of them. But when I was a teenager. I was like we'll guess him the one eating dog food because no one invites me place. So I guess just so that's not good. Well, because one of the main things about this movie is that we see all these trope characters. So right. You like the Princess character. I like, I guess a basket case was a trope or like a clicker something in the. But that means you see a representation on screen of women in these very tropy roles. But the whole point of the movie also is to say, hey, you might have this identity to some degree based on like, the click you're in or whatever. But you're a multidimensional person that has stuffed offer outside of that, you know, high school identity, and that's like, you know, the theme of the movie, but you still get these characters who I would argue we don't really get to know well enough or don't have that much nuance as much nuance as the movie wants you to think they have right? I mean, they're all is weird because it in some ways they're like, oh, all these like high school. Troch characters are deeper than you think which the movie does do. But there's still that character. There's still the football guy is is being is footballing too hard like. You're like, okay. Or like, she's too popular. There. It's not really even like subverting that much. If you think about it that much because it's like, Molly ringwald, e you know, everyone has issues with their parents, which is brought through in the movie pretty effectively, but it's not like a another brilliant feminist sex high school musical where in the show stoppers stick to the status quo. You find out. Hey, here's someone who's really academe IQ, but she loves to dance and. Here's a basketball star Corbin bleu or no, no, it's no it's Zeke Zeke he's in basketball, but he loves to bake like. Franck character. No, he's on this number. He's playing basketball. He's busy. But it's all that to say. I just got really excited. No. But like the it's not even that the characters in the breakfast club, necessarily like contain multitudes and are like they're just like, no, I really am. Poppy larr. And it's not as easy as looks. And I have parents here dislike. Okay. Like, I dunno. I there is some like posturing it does that. I I think sometimes this movie gets credit for work. It's not necessarily doing. Yeah. And also if there are five main characters, and there's opportunities to see them like interacting onscreen in different combinations. You know, like either one on one or there. Maybe there's three of them. I feel like one of the combinations. The gets the least amount of attention in the movie is the Claire Alison relationship. I mean, pretty much all of its at the very end right of the movie. Yeah. And I that feels like a like John Hughes doesn't understand how to write teenage girls interacting. Ooh. Transition. Have a little okay. So John this is like phase two of John Hughes career at this point where he starts out at a feminist bible called the national lampoon. Whilst there he writes, some of the most offensive stuff I've ever heard for here to examples. I Mabel to say out loud, but they're very and this in this predates breakfast club. And it's not but worth it for context. Some short stories John used thought right off the top of head. A dog's tail has a boy watching his mother turned into a dog. Yup. Against his will features and quote, ugly, fat unquote woman who tries to rape a man at gunpoint in front of the man's wife, and parents because she can't have sex otherwise. Yeah. Okay. And then here's the the Hughes engagement guide is an illustrated manual on how to protect yourself against women. It gives examples of women, quote bullshitting to not put out unquote and teaches readers how to do a quote quickey pelvic exam on quote, how to detect quote signs of future fat, unquote. And how did a Termine if a woman has ancestors of different races based on what her relatives look like? So. John hughes. Yes, Queen indeed there an and this. I mean that makes it hard to want to watch anything he does. And it is weird that you know, like these were written as as recently as within like five to seven years before he started making these serious teen movies. So it's not as surprising at all that he cannot write a competent female character. There's a persona John Hughes persona that existed prior to this. That was quite contemptuous of women. And and it's it is interesting in bizarre that he, you know, a few years on decides that he is going to be like a voice for teenage girls. Right. Going back to that specific relationship in the movie between Clarin Allison the only like one on one interaction. They have is toward the end whenever Claire gives Allison a makeover. Because according to John Hughes girls can't talk unless they're putting make up any other. Well, and then prior to that it's very tag between the two of them. They these characters have barely spoken the whole movie, they may not have actually spoken to each other at all besides in passing before this scene wherever talking about sex and Judd Nelson's character, for whatever reason decides he's going to double down on Molly ringwald character, again is like why don't you tell me if you're virgin what because you know, if you ask it's like being a cop, you have to tell people if you're. Like, but it's just so he decides to start harassing her again. And for some kind of weird inexplicable reason Alison joins in and is kind of like, no, why won't you tell him. And and it's hard to parse exactly what the intent of that scene is like over thirty years later. But I think that you're supposed to want to be like you're like, oh, no, she should tell us. It's like, no, no one ever owes any random detention kids, any of your personal information effort, you know. And but it struck me as just like frustrating and annoying that this is the first time we're actually getting an interaction out of these characters and immediately and kind of in the story, I think irrationally Alison just turns on Claire and start harassing her. There's also another small example within the same scene where Allison comes to clear as defense and she's like. Don't bother but it's just so all over the place. Right. They are just like why like because one of the first thing she says is it's a double edged sword. If you haven't had sex Europe rude, if you have your slut, which she's commenting on very real double standard for women whether they've had sex. But then she says, you know, you want to but you can't. And then you're a tease, right? You're like, well, he's real times. Well, I think she's still like making some sort of commentary there. But it's weird that she does that right after she liked dunks on Molly ringwald for bullying her into, you know, saying at one way or the other, and it's just I don't know the I think this movie thinks that if anyone asks you if you're a virgin, you're legally required to tell because people are treating Molly ringwald like she is breaking the law by by not disclosing that transition for you well into a. Short scene earlier in the movie where Anthony Michael hall's character. Brian is being harassed by Judd, Nelson, which is seventy percent of the movie, but he's being harassed and Judd Nelson like his move is like your virgin, which is pretty true to high school, but he's you know, teasing Brian calling him a virgin brands, like I'm not virgin, I've laid lots of times. You're like Yikes dead giveaway dude there, but then he starts to lie which also feels like a I don't know at least based on like people I knew in high school, that's a pretty authentic experience of God. Be like, no, I add all that time and then Nelson's like who and he like gestures at Molly ringwald like her. And Judd Nelson's like, my ringwald you fucked this guy. And so this could be a very troubling seeing the reason it works pretty well. For me is that I don't know. I mean, Molly ringwald finds out immediately. She's right there, and she's like, no. And then you know, like calls him out on it like don't do that. And he apologizes put being virgin to loser. And then she says what you said earlier that being a virgin is actually awesome. And then Judd Nelson spice. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Then, you know, they're two virgins and Judd. Yeah. I don't know that scene where for me way, better than all the times, they're just piling on my Molly ringwald to makers say something when one way or the other, and it's not just that. I mean, it's the gen Nelson character fingerless gloves. He's counterculture everyone. He's he spends almost the entire movie either sexually harassing her by saying things like, hey, let's lock the doors. So we can impregnate the prom Queen. Threatening to rape. Right. Yeah. That is a threat. He asks Andy he's like, hey, you give for the hot beef injection. I think is the lines. And then you're like, oh, yeah. A forty year old man thought of that. From or like the skirt scene where he sees her. I was under the desk. Let's give some context for that. Yes. So he's hiding under the desk. The bender character is because he can't be seen by Vernon as he's under there. He sees Clair's underwear is this was a scene that that's not Molly ringwald in that scene. Legally, it could not be Molly ringwald in that scene. But in the in the New Yorker essay from last year that you're referencing earlier because Molly ringwald is like sixteen seventeen when this is film. So her mom is talking with John Hughes almost as much as she is. And there was one plot point involving a naked female gym teacher that they talked him out of including because it was just perverted and weird, but they could not talk him out of the underwear seen. And that was something that Molly ringwald mom was like really frustrating upset about. And like John Hughes would not back down on it. And so they had to hire a body double to come in and be, you know, the the skirt. Yeah. And so that is why that scene is there. It's just like that. That is such a classic example of like, your two women telling you, this is not okay. And he's like I'll hire someone else, and, you know, just like flexes on them in this, very gross way. Like, if if it's also like to say, if the actor you hired cannot legally do it probably don't do. It is a great indication, especially if the actor opposite them is twenty six years old like what are you gross? Yeah. And then where men to I think, so he sees her underwear. And then we see him move his face closer into her crotch area. And then she yelps was so we see her. And frame rather than him then and she yelps and then hard to say what exactly happens? But I think we can easily SU he doesn't know it happens. He doesn't know he, but the basically the bender character assaults her. Yeah. And then the reaction is immediately afterwards. Her like smacking him several times on the back. And then that doesn't get brought up. I mean that just puts still out at the end, but diamond. Yeah, God if every man that has halted you you had to give a diamond is for. Fucking God Jonah who is disgust opposite of what happens in Titanic with the Billy's. Hey, Mario Lopez here. And I really hope you can check out my new podcast, listen to Mario Al t-. Am going to be having some really cool casual in-depth conversations with a lot of amazing and fascinating people some of your favorite celebrities, everyday heroes. Newsmakers even some of my friends and a few of my family members. Definitely inside of me that you've never seen before. So please, listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. I mean, the rundown of what benders? Character says declare is like I mean, it really there's a lot of anti queer slurs thrown throughout this movie from all characters. So you know that John Hughes just things it's Jill there's one speech like monologue than bender delivers declares that is like fat. Shaming her in the future. Yeah. Which is just you're insane. He's a rousing her asking if she's a virginal the time. He's making comments about how she couldn't get away from him. If she wanted to she can't resist them all this stuff. Yeah. He screams. You are a bit at her loudly. He kinda he makes fun of Andy who is a arrested. Larry's like oh. I just admire any guy who rolls around on the floor with another guy in like, the implication that is he saying something homophobia. Yes bender. Maybe not a good guy. And yet for reasons that are very unclear to at least me she goes into the broom closet that he is locked into because he was misbehaving so badly get a Hickey in diet. Yeah. So I I mean, but this is something we see again. And again where I mean, and he's not even wearing her down in a way that movies, usually do it where it's like, please go out with me, please, please, please. He's just like your fucking fit ramping it up the whole movie. And then it's like after he assaults her that. She's like I'm going to give him a chance like it's just not. It's totally nonsensical. Right. The way that happens. And it's like at least that's very clear to people now. But it's just like, it's crazy. I mean, that's not to say that there isn't more context in layers to the bender character because there is and there's like a lot of time devoted to his background. And coming from an abusive household that seem we were referencing with him in the assistant principal who is basically the whole time saying that he can be abusive toward, you know, he's another like abusive paternal figure in bender's life, and he's allowed to do that because bender is poor and benders from an. Abusive household, and no one will believe him. If he says anything, which is I mean, like powerful stuff, and and like, I I was affected by it. Especially in that scene where the system principles like fight me. Classic. But but before that that bizarre initiation. He's saying a lot of horrible stuff that like is recognizable of like an abusive paternal figure. Yeah. So it's like even more of a bummer of you get that side of effective storytelling. But then, you know, you're also setting the standard of you have incredible empathy for this character who is verbally abusing one of the only females you get to see screen for the entire time. And that's not really reflected as something. That's not okay to do. So it's even like more of a bummer of like by the end of the movie, it's hard not to like love him, in some way, or have a lot of empathy for him while he's doing these horrible things that are not really treated as horrible. Right. So it. The once again damn it to him, and then well, the other hetero romance that ends up playing out is a direct result of a makeover scene. Which is when Claire is putting the makeup on Allison in the only again, the only thing that they have together one on one. And then she says something like you look a lot better with all that black shit under your eyes, and then the hot topic managers of the world shot themselves. And then she completely changes the way Allison looks, and I guess did. Claire just bring a whole other outfit to school right to give to her not even a cute outfit, by the way it. Well, yeah. Because she's got like a flower in her hair or makeup is more traditional she's wearing pastel pink. And then Andy sees her and he's like. So basically, it's li-. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. So she's only attractive to Andy one. She changes everything about her appearance. And it doesn't occur to him that she is attractive until she is at hearing to like this more conventional feminine standard of beauty, right? Which was the part of the projected point of her character was to subvert that. But clearly John uses a lawless motherfucker and actually doesn't have much of a vested interest of subverting much of anything. But but. Point. I wanted to hit on for the Brian character who we don't really get to know before the he they're like a Doran homework door, and he's like okay here. I it's like Chitty lyrics or whatever. But he's characterized very late in the story. And he says that yeah, he was going to kill himself with a with a flare gun just worth saying is like a very bizarre reductive way to treat any suicide -ality or anything like that. And it almost feels like an afterthought and the story of like oh shit. Anthony, Michael hall's here. What what would he have done yard raped someone the last movie? I don't know what to do with him in this one. And then they sort of just I mean, and it's it's weird because I it it could be an effective plot point that was thoughtfully told. But he says it in like three sentences sort of and then everyone is sort of like. Put that stupid. And he's like, you're right. And so you're just like, oh, so he's cured of suicidal tendencies, pretty sure that's not how that works. But now, and then and then right after he's like, you know, I recently almost killed myself. They're like t he do our homework. Yeah. So it's not I mean, it's one of many things that is not handled well in the movie nine it's not I guess last thing I have is just go check checking out some of the smaller ringwald. Yeah. She wrote the peace last year that we thought was a really thoughtful look at the body of work that made her famous highly recommend checking it out. I like to think she wrote it between scenes of river heavy shot, but we don't know the circumstances. But let's say canonical it was between of riverdell. Are there any particular passages? You wanted to point out or let's see I already kind of paraphrased a few of them. So if you wanna take a crack at any of yours, we'll basically she runs through a lot of stuff we were talking about today and just like at the time when she was sixteen seventeen shooting this movies. She didn't recognize and hadn't been. Listened to recognize the elements of rape culture in in other things that appear in these movies aside from the things that she did notice and pointed out, and sometimes we're sometimes weren't ignored when she gives a few examples of those. She also gives a great anecdote talking with the woman from sixteen candles who it's implied that Anthony Michael hall's character rapes and how they like got lunch together. And Molly ringwald was like, do you think this was fucked up and the lady was like honestly never thought about it? And then like three hours later, the actress who played that part emails her back, and it's like, oh my God. That was incredibly fucked up. And so it was just like a really interesting piece on, you know, just sort of why we're trying to do is just, you know, reflect on stuff without you know, totally disowning it as a body of work. But just you know, viewing it more thoughtfully and critically. This wanted to read the thing. She says that the how she sort of closes the peace out as she says, quote, how are we meant to feel about art that we both love and oppose. What if we're in the unusual position of having helped create it a racing history is a dangerous road when it comes to art changes. Essential. But so too is remembering the past in all of its transgression and Barbaros them. So that we may properly gauge how far we've come in also far we still need to go. But I thought was just nice that is. Yeah, that's like kind of like the thesis of the back door can. And then and then Cole sprouse leans into the room is like we're shooting. Riverdale ever. Then she had to go. But up till the crate essay. I wrote say this is one of a few teen movies that doesn't end in a prom or doesn't have some sort of prom affiliated with it. I honestly think that if he had had the budget. He have probably would've. He did promise that night, and they spent nine hours in detention, so they're like, we're tired. But I guess we'll go to prom. All right. Yeah. I mean, and we're we're almost a time you're to kaitlin. Yeah. Does this move you pass the Bechtel test? I am going to say, yes, I know because speak here cake. Well, okay. This one is worth kind of debating because Alison says I'll do anything sexual and I don't need a million dollars to do it. I mean, we can all relate sorry that. That was a racing a sexual people. So I'm sorry to do that. Claire says you're lying. And then Allison says I already have I've done just about everything there is except a few things that are illegal again, we can relate. And then she says, I'm familiar, but isn't she implying heterosexuals? Yeah. Exactly. So I don't think that count that one is probably a no, but then Claire analysis and talk about makeup, and they say don't stick me. Don't stick that in my eye. And Claire says, you know, you look better with all that without all that black shit around your eye. And Allison says, hey, I like that black shit. And then Claire says this looks a lot better. And she's like, why are you nice to me because you're leading me the end of that. Tragically that does that is the past is the past. But again, it's two women talking about confined. Right. Yes. Very hyper feminine things hot. Oh. That is a yes. But all right. Well, John uses a feminist icon all that. Feel a little fucking stupid. Saying those things about him. Our show, shall we read it on our nipple scale. Yes. We should. Let's do it. There. Oh. If you're not familiar are nipple scale, we use a scale zero to five nipples, and we read it based on its portrayal and representation of women. This one's kind of tricky for me because it is an earlier example of seeing teen women onscreen who are not the way they were portrayed in movies like porkies and revenge of the nerds and like really awful keys in front of me. How dare they make a movie com, pork? Sewer seeing more nuanced depictions of teen girls. But again, I would argue not as nuance to the movie wants you to think they're still fairly tropy, and we do get to know them and the the these characters especially the Molly ringwald character is more developed of a character than we had seen in a teen girl kinda up until that point. But the way that she is treated, especially by the Judd, Nelson character and then forced into a hetero kiss with him the movie forcing her because she is the one who goes and kisses. Just like why did you do that he threatened to rape you nine hours ago? And then he did. Right. So there's a lot of missteps like that worth noting that this is an extremely white movie. And I mean, it's all an one hundred dollars movie. Yeah. And all of John Hughes movies, except for the long duck Dong character and sixteen candles NGOs. Sorry, you're right. He's an icon of tation. Yes. So I think I know this is a beloved movie. I know it explores themes that still resonate with us today. But I think it is very obviously a nineteen eighty five movie eighty five eighty five eighty four eighty eight going one. Eighty four. Oh, right. Okay. For some reason attentions in eighty four. Yes. Movies in eighty five. Who knows what I'm gonna give it one and a half. Okay. Is that wrong? I I hate doing this at live shows. 'cause I'm like, I'm Robert. She said. Thank you. You so much. Yeah. Given the nips you I'm gonna give one to Molly ringwald. I'm gonna throw my half nipple to Hanson Michael hall as unexpected of a twist. I'm upset more of an issue with that. I don't know why. I'm gonna give it a half nipple because women are there. Which not all movies get to? I don't know. I don't think that this movie or John uses entire body of work is like as subversive as people make it out to be, and it might be partially because I'm not attached to it and was never really a fan of it. But I just you know, you learn about I like you learn about Molly ringwald character. But that doesn't mean that her character isn't totally sold out by the writer by the end of the movie, and you don't really learn anything about alley Sheedy's character. And she's also sold up by the end of the movie. And so it's really I mean, I guess you know, it's like the two female characters. I thought were made by the writer to act very irrationally at the end of the movie in a way that in the first hour, plus the movie, you would not expect them to act based on like a strong foundation. And then at the end, they're just like, no, you gotta you gotta have a kiss like so I feel for for both of those characters that like had some promise in them. We're kind of sold out, and I also feel for Anthony Michael hall. Because he had to do everyone homework. And that's not cool haven't eople and giving it to the janitor. Hell, yeah. Who is high and? And who end like that in confident the because the quick montage at the very beginning in which you do see the the hacker hackers will be expelled frame. There's another shot where it's like men growth. But one of them's like man of the year. There's like a photo. And it's a photo of of Karl. He was man of the year when he was in high school. I love Carl. We didn't get to talk about Carl. But Carl is one of the most fully realized characters in the movie when everyone's trying to be like, you're a janitor. He's like fuck you. I'm jay. Yeah. Carl you fuck he fucking rules. He dunks on everyone. Anyone who talks back to Carl? He's like you can't touch me. I I'm the most confident man alive like he goes home and has sex everything like. Like he's man of the year in my book. Beautiful. Well, that's our show. Thanks. Thank you. That was that was the episode so much fun. We went to everyone who came to the San Francisco. 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Thursday 9/5/19 - John Hughes Movies

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Thursday 9/5/19 - John Hughes Movies

"R._e._i. Bay make this thursday september fifth chicago dog walk guests the day his captain cons the co host of zero block thirty barstools military podcast cons cons. How are you. I'm doing well. I'm doing very well. Let me tell you. I am excited number one bang bang. I told you on the jump street. I was like any put that on a t he sure when you say bang bang i get excited. I like it but the reason i'm excited is because i love when i have an opportunity to be part of content at barstool tool that i consume myself so i listen to this show every day. I don't miss it. You guys have had some interesting characters and i'm happy to be here. Thank you for having love. All of it. Were very happy to have you. I'm glad you're listening. That's great you know people who understand the show and everything search again absolutely when i come through town obviously i'm in new york right now. My nana come on the show. We'll we'll find a topic and <hes> yeah so yeah. I mean is there. The military podcasts obviously went to west point so we have like a literally smart guy on here right now. Well that got. Everybody fooled doesn't do they take people because a football do they do the hold average out move. I mean we get people in who maybe would have a harder time getting in without football or any sport for that matter but i think getting you in the doors one thing being able to survive and get a degree as a different thing so so data and all about best friends with their grinder man the whole mini fridges a privileged in year two year three. It's just a wild wild ride but i know you probably talk about that every day on your podcast what is <hes> zeba to come out and cvt tuesdays and thursdays and you're right. I am also number or to reason excited. I like to talk about topics other than the military sometimes yeah so today. We're gonna talk about <hes>. We were kind of going back and forth with like. Should we do nineties movies. Should we just do we should we pick up and ultimately we landed on john hughes movies yes yes so. You're a big fan huge. I mean chicago guy. John hughes obviously obviously all in on him and just i mean he is the he can enough credit for being like the ultimate teen movie guy like i think he introduced that the teen genre genre in the eighty s. I think anybody who knows movies. You had reread sitting here with us. He would know who john hughes. I think you say john hughes his to an average joe walking down the street. They may not know but i don't think you can run down. John uses category or excuse me filmography of movies and have people not know at least just a few of them now. There's there's no way because right off the bat. I mean breakfast club end which i'm going to get into it. I like if you're not at least somewhat familiar with either of those right. I heard on another planet. I mean listen. Listen is list of movies. It started in nineteen eighty. Two class reunion never saw that he goes mr mom vacation then he goes sixteen candles breakfast club european vacation weird science pretty in pink ferris buehler's day off planes trains and automobiles. She's having to be great. Outdoors uncle go christmas vacation home alone dutch curly sue and then it goes on from there but i mean what that is just a murderer's row lineup of movies. It's incredible. It really is so. What do you think what's the best way to gather around us. We wanna talk about like our top three or top five to we just want to go through a couple of them. What do you think i would like to hear what your top op three. John hughes movies are my top three okay so obviously i instantly thrown ferris bueller in there right. I mean that just that puts chicago. Go in just in all time great spotlight. Oh beautiful like that. Wrigley field seemed where he's just sitting there. He gets the ball and you know right. After i forget it. It's either either the principal or as father like just like ashley what the score is an incredible scene nothing. Nothing and i think that's a great example starting out with ferris bueller. I think that's the a great example of why people love john. Hughes movies so much is because they're so relatable especially for teenagers who among us doesn't want to ditch school in high school one day senior year and just have a whole day to themselves. Go to the ballpark go to a nice launch. Go to a museum. See the city you you know being a parade. It's just that is something that everyone can imagine so. I think that's why you relate to it and it's interesting. If you look at all of his movies they're all pretty much set in the mid west and he always said he always felt like that was more relatable to more people than if it had been in hollywood or in in new york city encino. Yes like going up in chicago or nebraska indiana. You know these countries the midwest you're not gonna. You can't really picture what life is like in yorkshire. Sure can certainly picture. You know what life is like in some of the movies. He's he's made for sure so i haven't looked it's like i've never actually ranked at myself but let's do top five. Let's go five for five. We'll go down the list <hes> so i i agree though i i was that was a great way to start itsel. All i kind of in my fifth spot. I'm i wanna go planes. Trains and automobiles love it. A lot of people think like is that one of the only thanksgiving movies rieser is no. You know it's funny. The only other thanksgiving movie i can think of is another jon allen dutch. Okay okay with eh one. Okay you have to it's ed o'neill is dating this woman and he agrees to go pick up the woman son at boarding school down in georgia asia and drive him back to chicago that week and they thought road trip what better way to bond with someone and then just all the kid hates them in the beginning and then they encounter some troubles and then they really have to come together and they obviously grow to develop a relationship and it's very funny along the lie and most we will only know ed o'neill now for <hes>. Excuse me a modern family obviously before that married with children but this this was a really good movie that yeah i'm going to have to check that out that full disclosure. I'm gonna put this out there too. I have not seen the molly ringwald one's pretty in pink sixteen think candles. I have not seen okay. There are off my border force because i haven't seen him buddy. I'll let you go and take your fifth spot my fifth spot. I'll i'll start with the one i just mentioned and these are in no particular order. I'll just say dutch. It's it's funny and i'm sure any child of divorce really relates well to that movie especially ashley. When you're twelve thirteen fourteen you have a new person that's introduced your life and seemingly like a father figure your automatic matic assumption is that you're gonna hate the guy so but and i said ed o'neill is just extremely funny. It's a great holiday movie baffling. I right. I mean now that you said it like that. I absolutely have to see itself going dutch in the five spot yes but you're not we're not ranking this. Is that what you can rank komo for lucero like basically on the same love yeah. No i got you so i guess we're just going through with like i dunno most memorable like what kind of her head now so whatever five movies that we really enjoy free-flowing xactly so number four. I'm gonna go with <hes> probably uncle buck man. Yeah i mean i got uncle buck on my list to do just like so obviously another very chicago move. He's got his apartment is literally on the corner over there on i think at sheffield <music> now wavelength okay and <hes> he just unbelievable that corner apartment and it's right by wrigley field and i don't know just like the big pancake. Dan cake couldn't even fit it in the door exactly just seeing the just the whole drill scene when he scares the boyfriend. It's just an awesome yeah. I appreciate it now because i have three nephews and niece right and it just like it's just really funny like i'm kind of looking for an uncle buck car to just kind of like you know haul. Hold them all in just throwing back there and just kind of cruise around the city degenerate gambler. He's on the worse. My favorite lines went on macaulay. Culkin answers the phone. He's talking to his mom u._b. Plus in my home says i got earned my exactly. I'll throw them number four. I'll say that one as well and interestingly early enough john hughes discovers macaulay culkin in that movie and he said i gotta put this kid in another movie. The next movie he's in is home alone home alone which which also on my list for my third so that's your third one yeah i mean that's one of those movies what's great about the comedy and home alone is it's mostly slapstick so it stands test the time obviously people would rip apart now and say oh that could never happen now with cellphones da da which they're still making a sequel for some reason. I don't know about that. I think he just leave that one alone but that's one that i watch every year in december and that's something you should know about me. I do not watch chris movies. Listen to christmas music unless it's december okay. I like that. I mean your your donor pro. You don't jump the gun on the seasons is what you're saying. I think it makes me appreciate it that much more. I like that a lot. That's <hes> that's. That's very fair to michelle so you're looking at five is dutch for uncle bach three home alone. Yes okay so my third. I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna to go with breakfast club. <hes> i mean just the way that they i mean it's so i mean it was a little outdated by the time i saw you know you didn't quite have those that kind of stereotypes button day exists in one way or another highschool you ever been in so. I appreciate that everybody can wash that. Everyone can identify with one of those characters in one way or another so the legend goes with breakfast club was they were casting breakfast club. Molly ringwald comes in and john hughes is just taken taken aback by molly ringwald something about her. Obviously she becomes his muse. He makes a bunch of movies with her but they were casting for breakfast club and the reason he wanted to do breakfast breakfast club was he had said. I want to direct something that i've also written so if i make it simple and i just make one room and i keep it very very low key. Maybe they'll let me direct to so they were going to let them direct breakfast club right molly ringwald comes in he goes home that weekend and right sixteen candles and says we gotta make this first so sixteen candles came came out eighty four breakfast club eighty five. I believe yeah you're right and that's that's the way it went. That's a fun fact. I appreciate that that's good but before we hop into the number two spot. I do wanna talk about j._p. Grazing sponsor this is talk about this place ace and i looked up the menu and i'm wondering can i get g._p. Grazziano to send me a saab out here in new york better yeah. We gotta get you out there. We got it. You know maybe next time like army place as some northwestern or something we definitely i. I don't know if that will ever happen but i mean that's a good chance that we would play north west yeah. Maybe maybe basketball doesn't have to be football something like that. We gotta get you out there. I really wonder j._p. Donald been there forever in the west loop. Maybe he was in the background and one of these movies. I'm sure jim l. S. go check it out. Go get the <hes>. Go get the catering. If you work out in the west loop. Make sure your cater for them. They got the salad tracy antipasta trays desert trays whatever you want to mr g cons. That's what i recommend for you when you had out there perfect yeah go to j._p. Graziano dot com get that ordered up. We're going to nine one off and check them out so cons. Take me into your number. Two spot all right my number two spot also also a holiday movie one that i'd never miss christmas vacation clark griswold just wants to have the the best christmas for his family and he will go to the end of the earth for them and it's just it's it's. It's funny any it's related. I keep saying relatable book. They're all relatable just so many one liners out of christmas vacation him fucking deck in the place out with lights. Come on dude. How many do you need on there. I it's transportation class. She's butte karak great fucking squirrel world. Everything is described with that great movie. I won't have chevy chase classic. That's for sure number two like i said i'm going to go first number two just because like i said so many classic scenes it's just <hes> ultimately like that's what goes hand in hand with that and the breakfast club is everyone's faked sick to go to high school and everyone's had a saturday detention like like that yeah so which is just relatable and it's just when you see them around the city that you know i was born and raised in. That's those really hit home for me right right and you know speaking of breakfast club. John john hughes makes a cameo in breakfast club but if you blink you'll miss it really wasn't he plays anthony michaels hall's father so he's in the driver's seat seat of the car when anthony michael hall shrugged off wow no. I might have to check that out next. It's always on tv always great. We're moving into the number. One spot scott to be for me. I mean i like i said any of these could be number. One yeah and we're not going to name so many at home alone but i i would say sixteen candles probably <hes> so i gotta go down at all yeah. I think it's just it just something about it and the music <hes> the story of it. Do you know the story. Can you give me the premise the pretty in pink because to me. They seem interchangeable. I don't know they just seem like the same movie pretty in pink. Molly ringwald plays girl from the other side of the tracks and she's embarrassed that you know she has has <hes> a father. That's kind of a mess and she is trying to date the boy at school. Who has all the money in it. Just doesn't seem like it should work and then then in sixteen candles. It's molly ringwald birthday in everyone forgets about it because there's everything else going on around her that seemingly is more important portent and her family and her friends and everyone forgets her birthday and it's just relatable because i think at one point or another in high school everyone wants that attention from somebody somebody whether it be their family their friends or in this case the really hot guy in school they just wanna be noticed and in the end you know we'll see i don't wanna ruin it now. Even though it's thirty years old i won't ruin it. It's fine. I mean that almost sounds like sad like i'm sure there's there's parts of it. That are somewhat sad would ultimately it works it works. It's a comedy team. They'll usually have happy endings yes. Let's the breakfast club not really necessarily happy on refuse. Club is more. I think introspective as it is a a comedy or drama dramama- whatever you wanna call it. It's for sure look about fitting in high school in who you are. I sure i'm gonna go my number. One spot cheating but i don't care i'm going both home loans. I think to might be better ooh and that's to new york's adding adding but i love number two right and so what's interesting about home alone. Two comes out in nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety-one. He directed his last movie and that was curly sue. Have you seen curly sue no. I'm not saying that one. <hes> jim belushi is parts of an excellent. It's good it's good but then he just disappeared from hollywood so all of his credits after that executive producer or writer. He did it from his home in chicago. Kogyo because people lost track of them. They didn't know where he was really yeah. I mean there were people that kind of had an idea of where he was but he left hollywood altogether so it's kind of interesting that he had all the success. Obviously you know tons of money and he just walked away from all that he was he was still he was known to have kept diaries and he still wrote and wrote evident by the fact you see all the movies he still wrote after ninety one beethoven great movie hold onto dennis. The menace sneaky good ninety s with nineteen hundred for loyd christopher thompson cracking open those beans. I'll never forget that he was terrifying. Yes i was terrified. Enroll me those being. That's a great yeah oh yeah she was. He was cutting those apples. Yes that was that was. I'll never forget both of those scenes and now that's also import or not. He didn't direct all just rope. He the rotor executive producing listen sometimes executive producers just something that he put it in the credits to give credit to someone that has a impact that isn't necessarily their day to day on set for sure so about this. I mean this is fun. Whereabouts revealed near the end here. <hes> will so we'll wrap it up but maybe like we'll get into some of these deeper like we'll do like just fares bueller fifteen minutes on that one day and all that we've just mentioned in our top five there wa- could do a whole dog walk. I absolutely absolutely so this is like one of the few times or i feel you're like it happens more often than not where i feel like we're cotonou short but regardless we <hes> we're setting ourselves up for exactly exactly full series. Maybe exactly so yeah check. This went out and cons. We'll have you back on in the future. I can't wait all right. I appreciate it man all right bank right. That's it for today. We will catch you tomorrow.

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140  Dont You Forget About John Hughes

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140 Dont You Forget About John Hughes

"Hello and welcome to misinformation. Trivia podcasts for ladies and gents who love Trivia and sticking it to annoy teams that quiz where your host. I'm Lauren and I'm Julia Joel. Hi Laurin I here. We were just in Chicago. He worked Justin Chicago mere weeks ago and it was. It feels like it was a long time ago. Does slate right this all of our friends. That was Super Fun. I mean thank God for the Internet. But still yeah. It's fun to hug everybody and sing it. Everybody there's a lot of Neat s'mores pancakes smartest pancakes. Scrape triviality. Brothers took us to a very good breakfast place and we got to spend a lot of time with them so it was great. It was wonderful. Everybody high listen and triviality. It's great Yeah so before we were going to Chicago. Yeah in preparation. I'm trying brainstorm like oh my gosh what are some. Chicago things that could possibly come up at peak bowl and ice focused in on One topic that. I didn't feel very strong. Bow Okay So I decided to take a bunch of notes ended up. You know what I've turned that into this week's episode today we're talking about John Hughes and his films love it so the man John Was Born John Walden. Who's junior. He was an American filmmaker who began his career as an author of humorous essays and stories for National Lampoon and he went on to write produce in sometimes direct. Some of the most successful live action comedy films of the Nineteen Eighties and nineties. Most of Hughes's work is set in the Chicago Metropolitan area and he's best known for his coming of age teen comedy films. Often combined magical realism with honest depictions of suburban teenage life Hughes was born on February Eighteenth Nineteen fifty in Lansing Michigan the only boy of four children to John Hughes senior in his wife Marian. He spent the first twelve years of his life. In Grosse Pointe Michigan and he described himself as kind of quiet as a kid in nineteen sixty three uses family moved to Northbrook Illinois. A suburb of Chicago Hughes attended Grove. Middle School later going onto Glen Brook North High School which gave him inspiration for the films that eventually made his reputation there. He met Nancy Ludwig a cheerleader. In his future life they got married in one thousand nine hundred seventy and together. They had two John. Hughes the third born in Nineteen seventy six and James Hughes. Born in nineteen seventy nine but before all that after dropping out of the University of Arizona Hughes began selling jokes to well established performers like Rodney Dangerfield and Joan rivers. Wow used his jokes to get entry level job at Needham Harper and steers as an advertising copywriter in Chicago in nineteen seventy and then later in nineteen seventy four Leo Burnett worldwide. His work frequently took him to the Philip Morris Headquarters in New York City where he was able to visit the offices of National Lampoon magazine. He became a regular contributor in the late. Nineteen seventies and editor. Pj O'Rourke said that quote. John wrote so fast and so well that it was for a monthly magazine to keep up with him. Oh Wow so. His first credited screenplay National Lampoon's class reunion was written while he was still on staff at the magazine. Hughes's Nick Screenplay National Lampoon's vacation would become a major hit in nineteen eighty three and this along with the success of another hugh scrip that same year. Mr Mom earned him a three film deal with universal pictures. So Hughes's direct Royal Debut Sixteen Kennels won almost unanimous praise when it was released in Nineteen eighty-four due in no small part to its more honest depiction of navigating adolescence and the social dynamics of high school. Life is a great move and it was the first in his string of efforts about teenage life set in or around highschool to avoid being pigeonholed as a maker of only t movies use branched out in one thousand nine hundred seven by directing the hit comedy planes trains and automobiles starring. Steve Martin and John Candy. His later output was not nearly as well received by critics. Though films like Uncle Buck and National Lampoon's Christmas vacation proved very popular audiences. His final film director ninety-one curly sue Hughes's greatest commercial. Success came with home alone. Which was the top grossing film of Nineteen Ninety and remains the most successful live action family comedy of all time. He followed that up with sequels home-loan to lost in New York in Nineteen ninety-two and also home loan. Three and nineteen ninety-seven some of the subsequent films he wrote and produced during this time. Also contain kind of elements that they ended up dubbing like the home alone formula including films like Dennis the menace in Nineteen ninety-three in BBC out in Nineteen ninety-four he also wrote screenplays under the pseudonym Edmund on tests after the protagonist of Alexandre Dumas's novel the Count of Monte Cristo. Wow Geez in nineteen ninety-four Hughes retired from the public eye and move back to the Chicago area in the following year Hughes Ricardo mysteries. Both of whom had production deals with Walt. Disney pictures formed a short-lived joint venture production studio great oaks. Entertainment Hughes worked in Chicago while mysteries was based in Los Angeles but the company produced the films. Jack hundred one Dalmatians and flubber but using mysteries ended their partnership in nineteen ninety seven in the following years. Hughes Rayleigh granted interviews to the media on August. Fifth two thousand nine Huston. His wife traveled to New York City to visit their son James and their new grandson. John appeared to be in good health at night and the family had made plans for the next day but the morning of August Sixth Hughes was taking a walk near as hotel in West Fifty Fifth Street in Manhattan. When he suffered a heart attack he was rushed to Roosevelt Hospital where he was pronounced dead at age. Fifty nine uses funeral was held on August eleventh. Two thousand nine in Chicago were in. He was buried at Lake. Four cemetery after Hughes's death many of those who knew him commented on the impact us at had on them and on the film industry. Kevin Smith said quote basically. My stuff is just John Hughes films with four letter words How I feel like a part of my childhood designed. No one made me laugh harder or more often. The John Hughes Molly Ringwald said quote. I was stunned and incredibly sad. To hear about the death of John Hughes he was and will always be such an important part of my life. He will be missed by me and by everyone he has touched. My heart and my thoughts are with his family. Now in Matthew Broderick also release his own statement saying quote. I am truly shocked and saddened by the news about my old friend. John Hughes he was a wonderful very talented guy in my heart goes out to his family. The pilot episode of NBC Comedy Community was dedicated to Hughes the Eighty Second Academy Awards in two thousand ten included a tribute to his work. So what is his work? Typically when we talk about John Hughes yes of course right movies where he was the director okay. Starting with Nineteen eighty-four sixteen candles fray movie. He was also the executive producer and writer. Sixteen candles is an American coming of age story. Starring Molly Ringwald Michael Hall and Michael Shuffling I'm GonNa give you a summary of it. Sure Great Police. This takes place essentially over the course of one day. Molly Ringwald. Is Samantha. Sam Baker whose parents forget her sixteenth birthday because her older sister. Ginny is getting married the next day. She's a big crush on the big jock. Jake Ryan who's played by shuffling but Geeky Ted played by Anthony. Michael Hall has a crush on her at home. Sam Sega's worse when she discovers. She has to sleep on the Sofa because her grandparents and foreign exchange student named. I'm fortunately actually long. Duk Dong played by Getty. Wet Nabi They're all staying at the House for the wedding so her grandparents have also forgotten her birthday and they make Sam. Take Don with her to the dance at school that there seems to be a very weird subplot about Ted. Getting Sam's underpants to show off to his game and then there's a party Jake's house and he gets mad at everyone for making a mess Ted Tells Jake all about Sam and gives him her underwear parentheses question mark yet disease. Yup and the next morning seems mother apologizes Sam for forgetting her birthday. And everyone goes to the Church for the wedding. Jake breaks up with his girlfriend and then that Night Jake's House Jacob Sam her underwear in a birthday cake was sixteen candles on it. He tells her to make a wish but she says her wish already came true and the two kiss as the film fades to black. It's very lovely scene. Yeah I am just like really stuck on the whole underwear thing. Yeah it's Yeah if you want him play today. No that that movie you need to see it through the lens of like nine hundred. Eighty four thousand nine hundred eighty s like high school. Like trying to be like edgy. And it's I mean it doesn't hold up I gotta be okay but I saw it as a teen I loved it and I loved Molly Ringwald with her beautiful lush Lipson. She's just such a beautiful redhead woman and then Jake Ryan was so handsome and then he gives her the cake but the candles very sweet and they're like sitting on her dining room table. It's it's a sweet little movie. I guess yes. That's sixteen candles. He falls that direct royal debut up with the Breakfast Club in nineteen eighty five. He's the director executive producer and writer. This stars Emilio Estevez as the Athlete. Indra Clark Anthony Michael Hall again as Brian Johnson. The Brain Judd Nelson John Bender the criminal Molly Ringwald as the princess. Claire Standish an ally sheedy as the basket case Alison Reynolds. They're teenagers from different. High School. Cliques spend a Saturday in detention with authoritarian assistant principal Vernon played by Paul gleason. The main theme of the film is the constant struggle of the American teenager to be understood by adults and by themselves. Did you like the breakfast club. I don't I don't know if I saw the entirety of it. It's fine I think of all the John Hughes movies that I do like Our the John Hughes movies that are out there. I don't think that it's the strongest narrative Lee. Yeah but it made such a huge impact. So I don't know I feel and like I saw it at a lot of like sleepovers in high school. Yeah and I didn't get it then like we were already like. I don't know fifteen years after that. So you can really relate to what they were doing but people seem to really enjoy it and you know what Good Yeah. Great also nine hundred eighty five. We have weird science. Oh sure yes. He's the director. Also the writer so the title of the movie is taken from a Pre Comics Code Authority Nineteen Fifties E C Comics magazine of the same name. Weird Science and the title. Song is by Wingo Boeing of So weird science is about nerdy friends. Gary Wallace played by Anthony. Michael Hall and Wyatt Donnelly played by Ilan Mitchell Smith They're inspired by the nineteen thirty one classic Frankenstein to create a virtual woman using whites computer. Infusing her with everything. They can to conceive The perfect dream woman the after hugging electrodes to a doll and hacking into a government computer system for more power a power surge creates Lisa played by Kelly Le Brock beautiful and intelligent woman with unlimited magical powers There's Party and some bullies at the Party and Lisa. Turns Wyatt's mean brother Chat into a blob and there's also gang of mutant bikers the plot of Weird Science It's weird like it is deeply weird fellow and a little disturbing in some ways. Yeah I can see that like at one point. Lisa like yells at his parents. It's very strange I. It's a weird movie so character. Lisa was named for the first apple computer the Apple Lisa from nineteen eighty three And that computer was either named for Steve Jobs. His daughter Lisa or potentially could have stood as an acronym for Locally Integrated Software Architecture. The most people say that's the backroom. Oh sure here so Titles for this film in Foreign Countries in Japan they call it electric Venus in Denmark. They call it touch me. I'm yours in Russia. Oh this science and Germany cool science with Lisa. I think that's my science at Lisa. Join US on Saturday. Yes nineteen eighty-six Ferris Buehler's Day off great movie. She's the director also the executive producer and writer Hughes wrote the screenplay in six days filming began in September nineteen ninety five and finished in November This movie features many Chicago landmarks. Including the then Sears Tower Wrigley Field and the Art Institute of Chicago and all of this was Hughes's love letter to Chicago so various Buehler's Day off stars. Matthew Broderick as Ferris Bueller. High school soccer was skipped school for a day in Chicago. With sloane Peterson played by Mia Sara and Cameron Frye by Allen Rock fairest regularly breaks the fourth wall to explain his techniques inner thoughts and prayers Borrows Cameron's father's prize nineteen sixty one Ferrari who fifty. Gt California spider along with all the Chicago landmarks. They hit up. Ferris joins a parade float during the von Steuben Day parade and spontaneously lip syncs Wayne Newton's cover of dunk. Shane followed by the Beatles. Twist and shout Jennifer Gray. Plays Jeanie bueller Ferris a sister. Who's trying to like track him down and Jeffrey Jones plays the dean of students. Edward R Rooney Probably one of the most famous lines from that film is life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while you could miss it in two thousand fourteen. The film was selected for preservation in the national film industry by the Library of Congress. It's very good. I think also one of the more famous things from it is After the credits play you have that kind of Stinger scene where he's like are you still here And it feels like feels very like iconic and parodied and yeah for sure. I know I know in watching the movie. You're supposed to be like you're supposed to have a crush on Farris like Ferris. Ooh But I personally had it for camera. Yeah I had to think for Cameron I learned that our rep was like thirty films released. He was like wait leg like seventeen year old. Yeah he's also like six foot seven or something enormously tall. Yeah but yeah I just love a love a nervous guy with a strong jaw. What can I say of an anxious? It's one of. I think this is definitely what you would consider Hughes's most Chicago. Oh absolutely yeah and I was also looking up like what's The von Steuben Day parade. Is that a real thing. Yes it's a real thing. Play great they. It's a holiday held in mid-september to celebrate the prussian-born Baron von Steuben who helped give provided services for General Washington during the American Revolutionary War. It's the German American event of the year in Chicago. Wow so it's a real thing. Well what a thing a year later like Hughes's out playing straight zone. Mobiles Nineteen eighty-seven he's also the executive producer and writer. You've seen this. I have never seen this. One is great. This is a very good like family movie. Like like you know how. Sometimes it's hard to pick a movie if you'RE GONNA watch it with like your mom and your uncle and your grandma and your cousin or whatever. This is a great movie for that planes. Trains and automobiles starring Steve Martin as neal page. Who's a High Strung Marketing Executive and John Candy as del Griffith a good hearted but annoying shower curtain ring salesman? They have a three day odyssey of misadventures trying to get neal home to Chicago in time for Thanksgiving with his family so this movie was inspired by a true story. Oh happen to us. He was trying to get from New York City to Chicago. He had an eleven. Am presentation in New York. City on a Wednesday was supposed to fly home that same evening to Chicago but winter storms in Chicago cancelled that flight and then further delays happen and then he like he got on a plane and he ended up in Denver and then he got diverted a Phoenix and he didn't get back home to Chicago until five days later. So some exterior scenes for the movie were filmed in Buffalo New York because they didn't have enough snow in Chicago during. We're good for something New Year later. Nine thousand nine hundred eighty eight and this is what. I'm not super familiar with is. She's having a baby. I've heard of it. I've never seen it so huge director also executive producer writer In this movie it Portrays a young newlywed couple. Jake Briggs who played by Kevin Bacon and Christy Briggs played by Elizabeth McGovern who tried to cope with married life and their parents expectations. And I guess presumably. They have a baby because it's in the title doesn't seem like it's a fan favorite necessarily but hey it happened. One that people do seemed like or maybe at the time they didn't like it. But now people like it until buck. Oh okay nine. Hughes director also executive producer and writer. So in this film Bob and Cindy Russell and their three children fifteen-year-old Tia eight-year-old miles who's played MacAulay Culkin and six-year-old. Maisy who's played by Gaby Hoffmann have recently moved from Indianapolis to the Chicago suburbs. Due to Bob's promotion and late one night they receive a phone call from Cindy's aunt and Indianapolis informing them that her father had a heart attack so the parents make planes leave immediately to go be with him. And Bob's wild and crazy brother Buck played by John. Candy comes to watch the children. And of course hilarity ensues. Yeah Hi Tom and bucks girlfriend is named Shinichi. Cabal ski played by a Madigan and the poster for the film is very iconic of kids leaning against the door like John. Candy like knocking on the door But I mean you can't go wrong with John Candy with John. Candy so lovable and funny. Yes and then. The last movie that he used directed was nineteen ninety-one curly sue. Okay and he was also the executive producer and writer for that so in this movie bill dancer played by Jim Belushi and his young companion curly sue played by Alison. Porter are the architect. Buckle homeless folks with hearts of gold. They're scams are aimed not at turning a profit but just getting enough to eat The duo cons the rich divorce lawyer Grey Ellison played by Kelly Lynch into believing that she backed her Mercedes into bill in hopes of a free meal but when gray accidentally runs over him for real she insists on putting the two up for the night and then they stay for awhile because they're homeless shirt and grey learns. That sue isn't bills real daughter but he raised her after. Sue's mother died and she wants you to stay with her because she should be taken care of and get an education and like be able to be a little girl. Yeah So the movie ultimately ends up with Bill and Greg getting married and legally adopting to Leonard Maltin gave it one and a half stars you guide and called it quote a John Hughes Formula Movie where the formula doesn't work so that was his last movie that he directed an kind of go back a decade and talk more about movies that he was a writer for Okay so national Lampoon's class reunion nineteen ninety-two this was his first. Like writing credit It it sounds like it's a bad movie Unfortunately the article I read said this is a very unfunny film which was released after the successful National Lampoon's animal house in which died at the box office it focuses on the ten th reunion of Nineteen seventy-two high school graduating class in the plot combines about comedy and horror slasher elements which is a combination that doesn't work Quote a murderer killing off class members. Who are such dull dri creatures that no one could blame him John Hughes plan that he'd been fired from the film and he said they didn't even want me around. I was shocked when I saw the movie. My screenplay had been completely butchered. My name will nevertheless be on the credits forever cheese. So unfortunately his great star year later. Mr Nineteen eighty-three. The PLOT REVOLVES AROUND AN UNEMPLOYED DETROIT. Automotive engineer becoming a stay at home dad played by Michael Keaton and taking care of three young children after his wife played by Teri Garr returns to a career in the advertising business as an executive at an agency TERI Garr. What happened to Terry Gone? I don't know she was great. So funny beautiful. Bleyer lesser the same year National Lampoon's vacation nineteen eighty was based on Hughes's short story vacation. Fifty eight which appeared in National Lampoon magazine This is the one where they go on the cross country trip to wally. World Chevy Chase as Clark W griswold Beverly Dangelo Plays Ellen griswald Anthony. Michael Hall's there as rusty and Dana Barron plays Audrey and of course we have randy. Quaid is cousin Eddy etc Also nineteen eighty-three. We have a movie called Nate and Hayes. Which all I can tell you is that is e- swashbuckling adventure film. That sounds bad but you know. He had a lot of other a lot of irons in the fire. A lot of success nineteen eighty five European vacation so hughes received credit rating credit to this due to leftover material from the first movie being used Have you seen your European vacation? I have not seen any of the vacation movies. I am not a Chevy Chase Fan. I feel like as a like a comedy fan I just. I don't see a lot of movies you know. So that's another thing I think yes I think. Well I have heard that once so anyway. Sorry view the need a refresher because you have seen it. European vacation is the one that starts with all the griswold family being on a on a TV game show called pig in a poke and they win an all expense paid trip to Europe So again this has Chevy chase and beverly Dangelo but rusty is now played by Jason. Lively and Audrey is now played by Dana Hill In one thousand nine hundred eighty six. We have the film pretty in pink. Great movie directed he was only the writer and executive producer. I think I like pretty in pink better than sixteen candles for sure. So pretty in pink was directed by Howard Deutch was produced by Lauren. Shuler Donner and it was written by John. Hughes who also served as CO executive producer. It was named after the song by the PSYCHEDELIC furs films. Soundtrack has been rated as one of the best in modern cinema. I have on my phone. It's a great soundtrack. It's fantastic. I can sing everywhere so your summary High School senior. Andy Walsh played by Molly. Ringwald lives with her underemployed. Working Class. Father Jack Played by Hurry Dean Stanton in a Chicago suburb. Andy's best friend Phil Duckie. Dale Jon Cryer is in love with her but is afraid to tell her how he truly feels in school duckie and Andie along with friends or harassed and bullied by the Arrogant Ritchie. Kids in Blaine mcdonagh played by Andrew. Mccarthy is the guy she likes and Jack Buys Andy a pink dress for Prom and Andy ends up with Blaine. The rich kid she picked wrong like that's the part of the movie that I dislike like she should have ended up with Duckie and apparently originally she was supposed to end up with Duckie but test audiences got mad and wanted her to end up with Blaine. Who's named Blaine? Also Andrew McCarthy has crazy is in that movie like when he's with her at one in one scene he's like he's crazy. Yeah He- you nailed it right on. The thank. Yous was not happy with the ending of the movie. Because that's not how he originally wrote it. It was and then after the test audiences like then they change it so she was supposed to end up with Duckie yes but he was like a whole song and dance and the record shop. God don't even get me started well a year later. John Hughes gets right. Something some kind of wonderful It's a nineteen eighty-seven American romantic drama. Film also directed by Howard H. STARS. Eric Stoltz Mary. Stuart masterson in Leah Thompson. It is another yet another one of his successful teen dramas Set in a high school in the nineteen eighties so this one is set against the strict social hierarchy of Public School in suburban Los Angeles. Not CHICAGO BLUE COLLAR MECHANIC. Keith Nelson in his tomboyish watts. Who's been subjected to rumors that? She's a lesbian. Aspire to improve their social standing. And when Keith asks out the most popular and attractive girl in School Amanda Jones played by Leah Thompson. Watch realizes that her feelings for her friend. Keith are much deeper. Oh no so. Basically Hughes again like wanted. Since he was upset with the ending of pretty in pink he wanted to retell the story about the genders in the main character switch. Oh so hughes named the three main protagonists Keith Watson Amanda Jones as an inside joke tribute to the rolling stones. Keith Richards Charlie. Watts and the Stone Song Miss Amanda Jones respectively. That's interesting oh I didn't so. Apparently that one pretty good all right and then we start like kind of let me have a little downhill the great outdoors in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Stars Dan Ackroyd John Candy. Stephanie Pharisee and Annette Benning in her feature film debut as to families spending time on vacation in Wisconsin. Okay presumably in the great outdoors Nineteen eighty-nine Christmas vacation Based again on another short story that he wrote for National Lampoon magazine. Christmas fifty nine This one has Julia Louis. Dreyfus is like one of the next door neighbor's. Yeah I think I mean this one's cute like if you're going to pick vacation movie this is this is a much better And in this one the children are played by Johnny Lucky and Juliette Lewis Nineteen Ninety. I think maybe the movie from the ninety s that we most associate with John Hughes Josh's favorite movie of Christmas Home Alone. Of course yes So it was directed by Chris. Columbus Stars MacAulay call in Joe Patchy Daniel Stern John Heard and Catherine O'Hara In my notes I have as Kevin mcallister. Harry Marv Peter McAlister the father. And you don't need a recap of home alone. Go of course follows an eight year old boy who has to defend his home from two burglars after his family mistakenly leaves them behind on their Christmas vacation again. Homeowner became the highest grossing. Live action comedy film of All Time in the United States and held the record worldwide until it was overtaken by the hangover per to eleven and it was also the highest grossing Christmas film of All Time until it was surpassed by Dr seuss's The grinch in two thousand eighteen yet right. Yeah Nine Hundred Ninety one movie. I've never heard of career opportunities. No meaning so also not in Chicago Frank Whaley Plays Jim Dodge persuasive. But you're responsible kid who ends a job as an overnight janitor to local target one evening after hours he finds himself locked in the target alone with the affluent mistreated. Josie McClellan played by Jennifer Connelly. Josie has fifty two thousand dollars in her purse. And Convinces Jim to run away with her to California. As soon as they get out of the store in the morning things become complicated too. Incompetent crooks break in and hold them hostage. Eventually Josie Seduces one of the Crooks and convinces him to take her with him after robbing the store while the criminals are loading stolen merchandise into their car. Josie jumps into the front seat and drives away leaving the two men stranded in the parking lot and in the morning. The crooks are found tied up in the store and Josie and GM runaway to Hollywood. You know your favorite John Use Foam career opportunities. I had never heard of that. Yeah all right then. Rapid Fire Nine hundred ninety one. We have Dutch. Which is a road trip comedy? Drama starring Ed O'Neill as Dutch duly and Ethan embry as doyle standish his girlfriend's son. I'm pretty sure I have heard the mcelroy brothers joke about this movie because no one has to touch. I can see that in Nineteen ninety-two Beethoven. The dog movie centers. On a Saint Bernard dog named after Ludwig von Beethoven and owned by the Newton Family This screenplay is under is under the pseudonym Edmund on tastes there was also co written by Amy Holden Jones. And because of this. He's also credited on Beethoven's second and Beethoven's third Zioka home alone two loss to New York nineteen ninety two one year after the events of home alone Kevin and his family again. Decide to take your trip but this time to Florida though Kevin accidentally boards the wrong plane and instead ends up in New York City. He tries to make do with what he has just is using his father's credit card to stay at the Plaza Hotel. You know yeah really laying really low And but however he's obviously confronted by the recently escaped wet bandits. The talk way. Cassette recorder was produced as a tie in for the movie by Tiger Electronics based on specifications provided by John Hughes in the movie studio. And it's all very well. After the film is released on home video. I do remember in this may controversial but I liked home alone. Two better than home alone one. I remember when we watch home loan to that. It was like Oh. His booby. Traps are getting darker. That's why I did because Arnold Yeah okay. Oh Darker Nineteen ninety-three he wrote Dennis. The menace catch comic strip of the same name. concerns the misadventures of mischievous Dennis. Mitchell played by Mason Gamble who wreaks havoc on his next door neighbor. George Wilson played by Walter Matthau Nineteen ninety-four. A big flop baby's day out in theater guy. Yeah lives probably took. This movie is fine for children. Yeah it's bad I remember thinking it was bad then. Yeah it was nine. Yeah yeah the plot centers on a wealthy babies abduction three kidnappers subsequent escape and adventure through Chicago while being pursued by the kidnappers. It's a nine hundred ninety. Four he also the reboot of miracle on thirty Fourth Street. Oh I didn't know that's how Yeah that was Richard Attenborough Mara Wilson Elizabeth Perkins and Dylan McDermott The New York City based macy's department store declined to be involved with this remakes of the fictitious Cole's Co L. E. S. became its replacement a hundred one dalmations in one thousand nine hundred six. He was also the executive producer based on. Walt Disney's animated nine hundred sixty one movie adaptation of the Nineteen fifty-six novel. The one hundred one dumb Asians nineteen ninety-seven flubber. Oh yes directed by Les Mayfield. It was a remake of the absent minded professor starring Robin Williams as Professor Philip Brainerd who makes Ascension Green Goo Flying Rubber Aka flubber. I loved IT I. I don't think I saw flubber. I picture all the yeah the glue. Yeah Yeah I saw in theaters and I loved it. Yeah home alone. Three and nine hundred ninety seven the third film in the Homeland Series and the first not to feature MacAulay Culkin in the cast from the previous films So yeah he was like he still wrote this one Starring Alex D Linz as Alex. Pruitt eight year old child prodigy who defends his home from a dangerous band of criminals who work for North Korean terrorist organ theft again. Just such light fair. Yeah I yeah. I'm pretty sure I didn't see that one. In nine hundred ninety eight he wrote a film called reached the Rock. It's about a small town. Troublemaker named Robin played by Alexandra. Nivola WHO's directionless and alienated ends up spending a night in jail cell while he and the police chief named Quinn played by William. Sadler engage in a battle of wills and wit sounds boring again. Your favorite Josh's film reached rock Just visiting in two thousand and one is about a medieval knight in his surf who traveled to twenty-first-century Chicago Meeting. The nights descendant Just visiting all right and then his last two films that he wrote those that he wrote Both of them were under the Under the pseudonym Edman Dante's maid in Manhattan Two thousand and two. Oh really yes. Oh my gosh. Hotel maid named Mercer Venture played by Jennifer Lopez and a high profile politician named Christopher Marshall played by Ralph Fi refined fall in love or also his last film. Two thousand eight drill. Bit Taylor That's a sham. Three high school pupils are deciding to hire an adult bodyguard. Bob Drill but Taylor played by Wilson to protect them from two bullies which endlessly harassing abuse them before developing a friendly relationship him. You know what again? I'm pretty sure I've heard the mcelroy brothers. Do a lot of jokes about real Taylor. Yeah well I mean it's ripe for the picking In in two thousand nine a film called. Don't you forget about me was a documentary about four Canadian filmmakers who go in search of Hughes after he dropped out of the spotlight in nineteen ninety four it features interviews with Molly Ringwald Anthony Michael Hall Matthew Broderick and other actors from his films? The film was named after the simple song of the same name. Which was the theme song for the Breakfast Club? A few more extra John Hughes movie tidbits Can't really talk about John. Hughes without referencing the Brat Pack of course. So that's a nickname. Given to a group of young actors who frequently appeared together and teen oriented coming of age films in the Nineteen Eighty S. it's now usually defined as the cast members of two specific films released in one thousand nine hundred five John. Hughes's the breakfast club and Joel Schumacher's saint almost fire. Yes though some other some other actors are sometimes included so the core members are usually considered to be Emilio Estevez Anthony Michael Hall. Rob Lowe Andrew. Mccarthy Demi Moore Judd Nelson Molly Ringwald and ally sheedy so again saint almost fire. Not by John Hughes. Some people sometimes confuse it as one of his So saint almost fire. It was in nineteen eighty-five film written and directed by Joel Schumacher. Centering on a click of recent graduates of Washington. Dc's Georgetown University and they're just to post university life and the responsibilities of adulthood. Did you say it no neither now? Probably we probably wouldn't get it. No probably not of its time. If you couldn't tell by now molly ringwald was his muse. She started in three films. Sixteen candles the breakfast club. In pretty in pink she was set to star in another huge film called oil and vinegar but the film was scrapped. When Hughes refused to rewrite the script for the studio he was like this is it. Yeah so the film would have been about a soon to be buried. Man Played by Matthew Broderick and hitchhiking girl. Obviously Molly ringwald talking about their lives during the length of a car. Ride okay in vinegar. Other unrealized projects attributed to jump to John Hughes include Nineteen seventy-nine National Lampoon's jaws three people zero Hughes Co wrote the script of the third jaws film as a national lampoon parody from universal pictures but Steven Spielberg convinced universal. Not to make the film by threatening to never work with the studio in one thousand nine hundred five the last good year He wanted to make that. It was supposed to be about the year. Nineteen sixty two before the Beatles invasion anthony. Michael Hall claimed he was wanted to make it with him. Though he didn't have the storyline complete. He had a mix tape already put together for the sound ball and in one thousand. Nine hundred ninety. Two Hughes reportedly visited Charles M Schulz at his home in Santa Clara California to talk about adapting peanuts into a film. Oh my gosh. Could you even imagine according to variety Hughes plan to write the script in nineteen ninety two and finish it by spring nineteen ninety-three but it's believed that the critical failure? Dennis the menace provincial. That's movie from being made. That makes sense. And then finally according to Kirk Honeycutt Hughes also wrote an incomplete initial draft of the dumb and dumber script. He eventually abandoned. The script sold to the fairly brothers and had his name removed. Yeah pros for probably for the best. Yeah but anyway he had such a good hit a great like Gurney years so successful very successful like he got to make a lot of the stories that he wanted to tell Seems like everybody like dim. Seem like a lovely man so I I do remember like when he passed away when Pe- like people were like. Oh that was like my you know my teen years yeah. I didn't really so young like I knew he died suddenly. Yeah but I didn't think he was that young. I thought he was a lot older than that. Let's say That was great. I love most of those movies. Yeah I could have sworn feels like we saw a lot of opposite yeah. I could've sworn that say anything was a John Hughes movie and clearly. It's not but now I WANNA know. Who did it movie? Who Done it? Oh that's Cameron Crowe Yeah that is one of my favorite movies. When I was a teen and I watched it so romantic I cried and cried with the boombox like I was already a Peter. Gabriel like superfan. By the time I was sixteen because again I was a very cool team. But when in your eyes play over that boombox that was it that was. It it for me. It's all over. Yeah if you need anything about where it's cheap frigging loves. She loves Peter. Gabe I love. Peter Gabriel I do an episode Genesis. I do love Genesis. But you know Peter. Gabriel Genesis not necessarily like genesis. But we'll we'll talk about it and my episode about Peter. Gabriel that I eventually do but anyway John Hughes Great Director and writer loved his moves so our quiz tonight is called pretty in pink. It's a quiz on movies with colors and the titles. I will give you the year. The film was released along with a brief plot summary. And you will tell me movie title. Ready set action question. One nine hundred ninety nine. A backup quarterback who couldn't be seduced by a whipped cream bikini is chosen to lead a Texas High School football team to victory after the Star quarterback is injured number two twenty eleven after their plane crashes in Mercilessly Cold Alaska. Six oil workers are led by skilled huntsman to survival while a pack of Mercilus Timber. Wolves stuck them along the way number three 2017. After a secret. Agency's headquarters are destroyed in the world has held hostage and allied spy organization in the United States joins the surviving Brits to band together and defeat a common enemy number four nine hundred ninety nine during the great depression the lives of guards on death row at cold mountain penitentiary affected by one of their charges in African American man accused of the murder and rape of two girls yet who possesses a mysterious gift number five twenty eighteen. The air to a hidden but advanced kingdom must step forward. Delete his people to a new future and must confront a challenger from his country's past number six twenty twelve after a stint in a mental institution former teacher in Philadelphia. Eagles Fan Pat Saltano moves back in with his parents and tries to reconcile with his ex wife. Things get more challenging when pat meets. Tiffany a mysterious girl with problems of her own number seven nine hundred ninety eight epic war film adaptation of James Jones's autobiographical nineteen sixty two novel focusing on part of the Guadalcanal campaign in the Pacific theater during the Second World War directed by terrence malick. Number eight two thousand and two a guidance counselor mistakenly sends out the wrong transcripts to Stanford University for an over achieving high schooler and Wacky nece or is it Jack Blackness. Ensues number nine nine hundred ninety? Two Black and white basketball hustlers join forces to double their chances of winning money on the street courts and a basketball tournament. Can I have foods that begin with the letter? Q? For Five Hundred Alex and question ten Nineteen eighty-four a Young Musician Aka the kid. Tormented by an abusive situation at home must contend with a rival singer a burgeoning romance in his own. Disatisfied band as his star begins to rise. I'll give you a minute to think about it and be back with your answers a come dance with. You're given everything inside. Everything's g made a joke all right. Okay okay okay. All of the movies a color in the town. I know I know our callers and owner different color. I don't repeat any Congress. Okay okay all right. I nine hundred ninety nine. A backup quarterback who couldn't be seduced by a whipped cream bikini is chosen to lead Texas High School. Football Team to victory after the Star quarterback is injured varsity blues. Yes yes starring James Vanderbeek Paul Walker. Jon Voight Namie Smart Number. Two twenty eleven after their plane. Crashes and mercilessly Cold Alaska. Six oil workers are led by a skilled huntsman. Survival while a pack of Timber Wolves stocks them. Along the way Is that like yellowknife or something like that White Fang now. No Purple Mountains Majesty Wolf Movie Turn Alaska Balto with Liam Neeson's Neeson's Liam Niessen is. This guy is indigo dark. I don't know I don't know what it is. It's the grey. Oh I've never heard of this. It's called the grey. Okay it seriously ethan. Dermot Mulroney and Frank. Grillo is based on the short story. Ghost Walker by Ian Mackenzie Jeffers. Wow number three twenty seventeen. After a secret. Agency's headquarters are destroyed in. The world is held hostage and allied spire organization in the United States joins the surviving Brits to band together and defeat a common enemy. Kingsman the Golden Circle. Yes yes in for Terron editon mark. Strong Julianne Moore Halle Berry. Elton John channing. Tatum and Jeff Bridges loved it. A prequel the kings man is currently scheduled to be released in September. Twenty twenty. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA go see it. It's a great but we all right number four nine hundred ninety nine during the Great Depression. The lives of guards on death row cold mountain penitentiary are affected by one of their charges. An African American man accused of the murder and rape of two white girls yet. Who possesses a mysterious gift? This is the Green Mile. Yes stars. Tom Hanks Michael Dunkin James Cromwell Sam Rockwell and many others based on the nineteen ninety-six novel by Stephen King. All right number five twenty eighteen. The air to a hidden but advanced kingdom must step forward to lead his people into a new future and must confront a challenger from his country's past. That's Black Panther. Yes thank you. Stars Chadwick Bozeman Michael B Jordan. Lupita Nyongo today Gurria Daniel Clue Lia letitia right Angela. Bassett forest whittaker and also indy circus and Martin Freeman. Yeah and very small parts which I totally forgot that they were in it. Yeah Luck Panther grossed seven hundred million dollars in the United States and Canada and six hundred forty six million other territories for a worldwide total of one point three four seven billion dollars amazing it became the highest grossing Solo Superhero Film The third highest grossing film of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Soubra her foam overall in the ninth highest grossing film of All Time. Also the highest grossing film by a Black Director. Yes it's fantastic. We saw it in theaters. Yeah it's great. It's also very beautiful. Very purple like a lot of purple light in the women are all very strong. All the women are strong. The costumes are Great Angela. Bassett looks she's sixty one camp. Believe it Oughta. I didn't look that good at seventy. No she's incredible. Never six twenty twelve after a stint in a mental institution former teacher in Philadelphia Eagles. Fan Pat Saltano move back in with his parents and tries to reconcile with his ex wife. Things get more challenging with PAT needs. Tiffany mysterious girl with problems of her own. That's silver linings playbook rather Cooper Jennifer Lawrence with Robert De Niro Jacki. Weaver Chris Tucker and Julia stiles. I like that movie. A Lot. Still haven't seen it. I know I know you're disappointed. I know number seven nine thousand nine hundred eighty eight an epic war film adaptation of James Jones's autobiographical nineteen sixty two novel focusing on part of the Guadalcanal campaign in the Pacific theater during the Second World War directed by terrence malick. Is it Red Dawn? You have the color right. I know I've got the the thin red line. Yes the title alludes to align from. Rudyard kipling's poem Tommy in which he calls foot soldiers the thin red line of heroes. It Co Stars. Nick Nolte Adrian Brodie George Clooney. John Cusak Woody Harrelson Yours Leto John. C. Rally and John Travolta so many number eight two thousand to a guidance. Counselor mistakenly sends out the wrong transcripts to Stanford University for an over achieving high schooler and Wacky nece or is it Jack blackness ensues. I don't think I don't think I know what this is. We got red orange. Oh orange Orangemen Orrin G. Glad I got into college or injure orange the color orange okay. It's called Orange County. Oh shoot Oh see I didn't see. It starts out Colin Hanks Jackpot. Yeah for no hair John. Lithgow Lily Tomlin Herald Raimi's and many more that was two thousand two Lord I remember that movie came out I was alive. Yeah that wasn't have seen it. I could have seen it but I didn't. There's a lot of movies. I should've seen county dam. All right. We'll turn it around number nine nineteen ninety-two black and white basketball hustlers join forces to double their chances of winning money on the street courts and in a basketball tournament. Can I have foods that begin with the letter? Q? For Five Hundred Dollars Alex. That's called White. Men can't jump yes stars less than snipes. What are you here and Rosie Press and then finally question ten nine hundred eighty four a young musician? Aka The kid tormented by an abusive situation at home must with a rival singer burgeoning romance and his own dissatisfied band as his star begins to rise. The kids sounds so familiar to me. I'm going to be a matter for you. I made this. I made this be the last question for me. Were you is a Peter. Gabriel no sorry all right. I'm going to go through Roy. Gb OF HAIR red orange yellow to yellow already yellow Orange Yellow Green Blue Purple Pink Pink Pretty in pink. No shut up nineteen eighty-four. Oh Pink Flamingos. No a young musician AK the kid. Tormented by abusive situation at home must contend with a rival singer burgeoning romance and his own dissatisfied band. His star begins to rise. What is it what is it purple rain all share Purple Purple Rain? Prince? I'm so sorry. It's not a good movie. I mean it's don't get me wrong like it's a good movie but it's not like a good movie. Well the film won an Oscar for best original song score will receive that award in two thousand nine hundred and the film was added by the Library of Congress for Preservation in the national film registry. Purple Rain was supported with its soundtrack album of the same name which featured to US chart topping singles windows cry and let's go crazy as well as the number two hit purple rain. The soundtrack is certified platinum thirteen times by the recording Industry Association of America and has sold more than twenty five million copies worldwide. The soundtracks fantastic. There's not a baseline and the whole thing. It's incredible stupid. That was dumb of me. No you did. Men can't jump but I didn't get purple rain like this is the way my brain works. Apparently whatever you did a great job did better than normal. That's for sure. Well that's our show showman Ya got. Thanks thanks for listening and please rate review and subscribe. Tell a friend. Yeah thank you to everybody. That's already done the. It's very kind. We appreciate you so much so much so Thanks so much for listening guys. We'll catch you next by goodbye.

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Molly Ringwald

On with Mario Interviews

09:58 min | 2 months ago

Molly Ringwald

"I gone -pez. Mario lopez joining me. Now on zoom actress author and bratpack icon molly ringwald. Welcome to the show how you doing. I'm good how are you. I'm doing great on where zooming right now. I'm new york is. Our love is new york home. I do live in new york. But actually i'm in california until september working on a project flew in last night or a for all of this press campaign. Yeah while everyone's talking about the covid vaccine you're out there talking about another vaccine to tell us why you've been telling everyone about meningitis. Well i feel like meningitis is a little bit. The underdog a deadly disease. It's one that people don't really know that much about it's a it's a rare but deadly disease that can claim a life in as little as twenty four hours so Teenagers are especially vulnerable. I think because they're in tight spaces in dorms. They're sharing water bottles kissing. And so the the vaccine is first given to kids at age. Eleven twelve and then. Five years later they're recommending at age. Sixteen they get that crucial. Second dose to make sure that they are protected on House disease transmitted exactly in. What are the symptoms. Well it is transmitted through respiratory droplets. That's how how it's actually goes from one person to another and the symptoms. It's really scary because it. It actually seems like it's the flu It's headaches sometimes. People get a stiff neck. I think the heading is strongest symptom but You know a lot of people. Don't know anything about meningococcal meningitis. So they could just has the flu and the best thing to is. Put him in bed. You know to get better. And then the next thing you now within twenty four hours they can be gone so we're just trying to raise awareness with this campaign. Sixteen vaccine is a dot. Org the website and recommending the parents go there to find the answers to the questions and also talk to their healthcare provider about it good for you to raise awareness awareness. Because that's so important. And i was familiar with it but not to that degree. So right on Will put all the info of course up on the our website on coming out this summer on netflix. The kissing booth three working sells about it. Well it is a continuation of you. Know the story that everyone loves It's the ads like it's the final installment. I don't know how much i can say about it. Because i don't want to spoil it but i know the people are really looking forward to it. I completely forgot about it. So thanks for reminding me. I'm glad i'm glad to know riverdale. You play archery's mom. Can you talk about that. Do you think we might be seeing you again. You know possibly i. I'm like. I said i'm doing a project on in los angeles. I'm doing a limited netflix series. That i can't talk about what it is yet guy but But it made me a unavailable to to do riverdale. You know knows for the future. You never know what's gonna ha. I feel like i feel like no. No one exactly knows what's going on with marianne rusen I i love everyone there. Let's come back nice. Well it's always good to be unavailable. Means they're busy right there. This is a fun fact. You were part of the very early incarnation of the facts of life when there were more than four girls. I actually didn't know that that's cool. What yes you ever wonder what would have happened. Had you stayed on I don't spend a lot of time thinking to be at. I got in my about it off from there was a spinoff episode from there was a serious called different strokes And i was in that first spinoff episode and then yeah and then i was in the first season. My character was named molly. They were incredibly invented with him. It was it was fun. I i got to you know. Play play guitar and sing blue songs. I was i was a little feminist. Actually because i had no idea that i would actually end up becoming such a feminist my own life but you know it all started with ahead of the times to classic shows love them both at someone paint a mural on your living room walls. Oh no i posted on instagram. That was that's actually. A lot of people thought that that was my house. I wish it were my house. But now it's it's a villa that john cocteau painted for a friend of his so good. I just thought it was cool. I just sort of like you know. Save any image. That i think is sort of interesting cool. Yeah and posted on instagram. Told people at your house bro with that. How are the kids do they now. My eldest is seventeen years old. And and then i have eleven year old twins. Oh nice what are they all into. sorry what do they all get into around This asia minor lot. Y'all i might elder daughter. Matilda is an actress is very passionate about that. And she's been studying and you know practicing her scene work in you know so so that's really what she's passionate about is also you gonna go to college into all that and my eleven year olds. Roadblocks are. it's it's big big violeta. Not no. I know all about walks. I know more about roadblocks. Than i ever thought that i would ex- definitely know about roadblocks. Hey let me ask you something. Because i got a few kids myself when your your daughter approached you about wanting to get into the business. Did you try to discourage it. Knowing how difficult tough it is or were you very supportive or just kind of how did you handle it. I think like most actors that have grown up in the business. I tried to discourage it as much as i could. And then eventually you know you. You can't squash your child's drain. So i try to be supportive. As i can and discovered the tools to make her the best actress that she can possibly be than you know and then see what happens. It's it's a hard business. I think she knows that from watching me. And what i you know gone through my life. I don't think she's going into it with their eyes open. So that's a tough cookie so she'll be okay. I'm using that same approach. So okay i feel better about the have. They watched a lot of your work. Mike is one. Watch me My my seventeen year old has watched. I wouldn't say my movies but she's definitely watched the the john hughes films and that was really stressful. And now. i'm sort of getting ready to do that again. With my eleven year olds but But the it's like a thousand times more stressful because my my eleven year old daughter is super woke adams out and a lot of ideas way more work than i am given so told her like you know it is a different time then put into context. But i know it's going to give me so much green for god some of the stuff that's in the movies. I feel like we're living parallel. Lives off right now. Andrew mccarthy coming on the show a little later anything I should ask him from back in the day that might trip them matt a little bit some way now. I have to read this book. I i he he was very. He was really respectful and sent me the the the parts that you know that i was in. What's not say didn't have to do. But i thought that that was really nice and then i actually have to read the book. He's a he's a wonderful writer and yeah giving give him my regards. could i will do Listen before i let you go. I wanna put you on the spot with quick questions. Quick answers okay. An what are you currently watching on tv. Right now. handmaid's tale k. It's a song. You know all the words to and i get along with that. Very well could celebrity crush growing up and in the carthy. We're twenty or eighties classics. Should get a reboot or a sequel. I don't believe in reboots. So i i would say i would say none of them but i i want people to be inspired by them and make around thing but those those movies i think should stand on a row. I agree and last question. Who plays you in the molly ringwald. Bio-pic i think i know the answer with zelda worse casey wants it. She'll have the new woke take. That's why mario had sun ra him later on. Right exactly on with mario dot com to learn more about molly's involvement with these sixteen vaccine. So nice speaking with you today. Look forward to hopefully meeting in person. Absolutely all right. Take care molly you guys on with mario lopez.

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Acting Your Age with Elsie Fisher & Molly Ringwald

The A24 Podcast

39:11 min | 3 years ago

Acting Your Age with Elsie Fisher & Molly Ringwald

"The. Hey, it's eight twenty four and you're listening to exit seven twenty four podcast our guest today or Elsie Fisher, the fifteen breakout star of our summer foam eighth grade and Molly ringwald, the eighties teen icon who starred in the generation defining movies, sixteen candles, the breakfast club and pretty pick L C in Mali had never met before this conversation. And no one surprise. They had a lot to talk about. Elsie fisher. And I'm Molly ringwald and we're doing the eight twenty four podcast. It's so great to meet you. Oh, yeah. This is amazing. I actually binged quite a few your movies last night. And today, you're amazing. Thank you. I can't believe I've lived so many years, you know, in the dark not knowing about, you know, you're just amazingness. Well, thank you very much. If I wish my daughter were here actually hear you say that would that would be awesome. So had you had you seen the movies before or do you? I guess you'd heard about them. I think I've seen the breakfast club like forever ago. But last night actually was my first time watching pretty in pink and sixteen candles you and John Hughes argest Hauer team. Thank you. Well, I feel like one of one of the reasons why I was really interested to this conversation is because everybody has asked me for years about why people still watch the movies that I did the movies that I made on Hughes when I was a teenager. And I always said well because nobody else's managed to make a film that really speaks to teenagers that really speaks to the experienced major in house of agonizing. It is. Yeah. And then I saw eighth grade. And it was really the first time that I sort of had that shock of recognition. I said, okay, I'm I'm no longer teenager. But I have teenage daughter who just graduated from eighth grade. Nine hundred. And and so I feel like I just recognized so much of that experience. That was definitely something. I really enjoyed about the films. I watched last night. Yeah. So you've been acting. I guess sort of like me since I started when I was about five years old. And how did that how did that happen? So I was living in Idaho, California. So in lake the mountains of Palm Springs, and yeah, my dad was a waiter at this jazz. Cafe in one of our friends was like bassist. So he would play live music one day. Just started dancing on stage. And it was really funny and my dad got like approached by these people. Oh, wow. You were scouted. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's kind of fuzzy my memory being very long ago for me. But yeah, I mean we sat on it kind of for a while. And then we eventually kind of rediscovered. Oh, yeah. These people like us, and yeah, just kind of started acting, and and it's something you still have decided that you want to continue doing. Yeah. Absolutely. Especially after eighth grade. There were points definitely in my career multiple times. I was considering stopping just because I mean like I wasn't getting jobs, and it's like when you're younger. I mean, you've got to kind of think about what you wanna do for your life. And I would be like missing so much school for auditions. And then not getting jobs. Yeah. I that was definitely my experience was that in sixth grade. It was really hard. And then in seventh grade, I did my first movie when I was thirteen years old. It was called tempest, and I went to Greece and Rome. Yeah, it was really amazing shoot. But my parents didn't know whether or not we are ever going to go to Europe. Again, because we never been out of California. Right. Yeah. You know? And we didn't know that you know, I was going to have this career that you know, that just suddenly, you know, loaded, and, you know, my my parents decided that it was an incredible opportunity and as long as we are in Europe, we should go to London and Paris. So they made this decision. And then I ended up missing the first month and a half of eighth grade. Oh, wow. Which if you've survived eighth grade. I know that that is not do that. No. You can't because everybody just forms clicks. And that I mean middle school is hell, but that year, especially is like I feel like so many kids change during the summer of seventh to eighth. Oh, yeah. It's it's so weird. Yeah. And what and what's your experience from eighth tonight? Do you think that there's this big of a difference between eighth and ninth? I think in my experience, I've definitely seen kids mature a lot more. And I mean that comes with every great, I think for the most part, but yeah, I don't know in clicks, actually. Kind of stopped happening. I mean, like everyone just kinda knew each other. There are definitely friend groups. But I feel like everyone's a little more accepting of each other. I guess I mean, it's encouraging. Yeah. I mean, I feel very lucky and especially watching, you know, stuff like pretty in pink like thinking of my experience, I feel very fortunate. I mean, I've never really had to deal with like mean, rich kids or any one of that sort. I guess oh, that's good. Yeah. That's good gonna ask you. Oh, I know I mean sort of switching topics a little bit. But what what was your? I'm just sort of curious what your addition process was like for eighth grade. It was actually pretty standard. So we'll fund backstory. So this was like the third point in my career was really considering quitting acting because I hadn't worked like in a while before this. I have to say just I'm sorry to interrupt. But not if it really I just love that you're talking about points in your career when you're fifteen years old when you get to be my age. It's seems like there are so many points. Yeah. And I, and I think that I mean, personally, I think that you know, you're going to have a very long career. Thank you. This is just only the very beginning. It's really interesting now to like kind of think about it as a career because it's always like, it's never been a hobby, quite, but you know, it wasn't the main focus in my life. But now more so it is so this was kind of another low point in my career for me at least personally, and I was trying to just focus on school. And I really like illustration. So I was thinking about doing like an art career and all the stuff, and I was actually a really really big fan of Bose comedy. So yeah, I got this dish in and my dad emailed to me. And I saw it was a director session with Bo Burnham to that. Make you nervous. Oh, I mean, everything makes me nervous. Auditions general is so scary awful. Yeah. The worst. But yeah, I was very nervous. Because I mean, you know, I don't get at least at that point. I'm much before it now, especially right now. But I don't get to meet a lot of people I respect or at least I didn't. But. Yes. I mean, I was really excited. And I was really intrigued by the script because Kayla. I mean, she talks very similarly to how I do as you can tell by Liz. But yeah, I mean, I was really really intrigued because I don't know I I've been on so many additions for teens, and, you know, even older children because I look like a baby. Do a little bit a baby enacting in the in the nicest way. Thank you. Beautiful baby. Thank you. But yeah, I mean, like all they're all so articulate, and that's like, I mean, that's just not realistic in my eyes. So it's a little harder for me to get into it and get into the scene. But also, I mean, I I have struggle speaking. Sometimes I have a little bit of a stutter, and you know, just some vocal things that like, you know, when you're supposed to have this insanely ticket person in an audition, and you have like vocal, whatever it's like so varying when it happened, you know. Yeah. But I mean, I wouldn't into the audition. And you know, I felt really good about it because Kayla did speak the way I kind of do yet. And I mean, I walked into the room in Bo was just so nice. I was so worried he was going to be like this Astle. 'cause I mean, some casting directors are in yet. And I mean I walked in. And it was just such a good energy. And I remember really distinctly. I was sitting down at the and I'd knocked the script off my lab. And I got my face was very red. As it gets. And like he was just like, it's it's perfect. It's in character. You're all and I'm just filled a wave of relief. I I'm sure that this is probably what got you the job. I mean, I mean from from what I what I read. He's he said that you were you were the only one that came in that that he believed that everybody came in and they seem so confident, and and and he also said something that really resonated with me, which is that show people try to act confident. Yeah. And and very often they end up talking too, much and and I- Kayla. Definitely does that in. And I definitely still do that ally. Me right now. Well, we're supposed to talk. Sure, I that was something that just really really spoke to me and just that she just can't stop talking. And I and I really I mean, not only did I recognize that in in my. A young. So, but I recognize that in my in myself now, do you feel that that? That you guys sort of developed a like a special connection. Do you feel like like he was? Oh, absolutely. I mean, he seemed like an amazing director because he got such great performances. Yeah. I mean, he really is an amazing standalone director, I've I've never had the pleasure of working with someone. So talented, personally, like friendship wise, we're very similar people in that was really special like meet someone like that and get to work with them so closely, and especially someone who's like not in my demographic. Yeah. Like that was so special to me, and I feel very lucky. Was there some fine that he did? Because my daughter Mukunda told me if you ever meet him you have to tell him that. I really love, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, vine, and I can't remember what it was. I see it. He has so many. I'm I'm trying to think of inappropriate one like his most famous is like I I won't get into it. All right. All right. But he is he has quite LeVine career. But does he have any? Teenagers in what made him want to to do a movie about teenagers because it I'm sort of curious about that. Because I don't really remember that much what it was like to be a teenager. It's kind of a little bit of a blur. I remember that things like really socked. There were some great things. I remember like a lot of highs and a lot of lows, but you know, that this is the sort of details have become a little bit blurry. But they weren't. So for John that were very specific like he's still remembered his locker combination. And and I thought it was interesting because he didn't have any teenage kids, and he wasn't a teenager himself. And yet he was able to to channel that. And I was just curious about about Bo like how is he able to write something that was so that was so true to teenage experience. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of it will first of all it comes from him right now. I mean, he's said multiple times like eighth grade is a very deeply personal movie for him because it's not about him when he was a kid. It's. About him right now. Or like, you know, just interesting. Yeah. Just someone who's feeling the same things. And I I think that's really amazing because I mean, it just addresses kids in such a mature sense, which I don't think we see a lot because I mean, I'm kind of older kid, but we're feeling like actual emotions we can relate to adults, you know, or adults can relate to us either way. Yeah. And those feelings never really go away. Oh, yeah. No. I mean, people get better. I think about covering them up. Of course, you know. But but they feel like they always feel the same way. I mean, everybody wants to be like, everyone is worried about, you know, not being confident or not saying the, right? Yeah. I think just specifically for like Kayla's inspiration. Because I know he wanted to write about eighty in. That's kind of what based movie, but part of it was also like realizing that you asked if he had any teenagers in his life. And while he doesn't have like actual kids. I mean, he had a comedy career and a lot of his most devoted fans. Worry young teenage girls who were relating to songs and. Yeah, I think that's part of also like what inspired him because people, you know, even if they don't match up, demographically, they can really relate to each other. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I wanted to ask you about anxiety because I feel like anxiety is something that we talk about so much more than than when I was a kid or nature. I mean, I feel like the only time I ever even heard that word was was this Mel Brooks movie called high anxiety. And I was sort of like what does that mean? Right. But it's something that we talk about a lot now. And it's also something that I feel like teenagers deal with a lot more narrow. Absolutely. I mean, I personally feel like a lot of that is with growing up with social media. Yeah. Because I mean like I could go into a long speech about those. But like all of your mistakes are now permanent. Yeah. And that is terrifying. Yeah. Number one. You're posting pictures of yourself in pictures are like they they have to be perfect now because you can retake them so many times, you know, you can delete your picture, but it could still be on there somewhere. Do you have social media? I do. Tragically? When when did your parents, let you get social media? Maybe twelve my dad's shaking his head over there. Oh, he's he's putting up his finger like he like you were older. Yeah. It was in that range. I feel like that was the age that that we let are we we have three kids and two of them are nine years old. So they're not on social media at all. But Mathilde is and our decision was or you know, my thinking right was because I think I was wrong. I'm going to say this, and I'm gonna take credit for it. Because I think I was wrong. I felt like, you know, this was something that she you know, that she's going to have in her life, and and she needs to learn how to use it responsibly. But I don't believe that you can really do that. When you're when you're that young. I don't think you can use social media responsibly period. Yeah. I mean, it's it's such a messed up thing. If you really think about it and marketing. Social relationships. Yeah. Which is so insane. And I mean, yeah. So why are we on it? Why why do we because this is a conversation that I'm having with myself? Actually, I every day if I had the answer to that. I probably wouldn't be on high self. I don't know. I mean, I think a lot of it is we really crave. Friendship because connection right? Yeah. And connection, and I mean, the internet brings some amazing people together, and it gives voices two people who don't have them in. You know, it does so many good things for people. But it's become kind of demonized in a way. I mean, I think I think we should have stopped at my space. That was good enough. Do you remember my face? I never actually had one. I just hear the legend for my space. I remember my I, yeah, it's weird. It's weird to me to think that I remember when Facebook started I remember when I remember when there was my I remember friendster, I actually remember not even having the internet, which just seems crazy. Tell me how I mean that's kind of insane for me to think about for so many reasons because I mean, I'm someone who's grown up with it thinking about being my age and seeing like movies of kids my age going out alone. Without like, a phone is insane to me, like I'm I mean, I can leave the house, but I rarely do because but the sought of being outside and not having like a direct helpline and your hand is Razi. Yeah. Like, I. Yeah. I moved to to Paris when I'm in my twenties, and I remember going to Paris and not having a computer and not having a phone and not having GB. You would just you would go out. And if you couldn't learn how to read a map, then you just got lost. And you had to figure out how to ask somebody, you know, how to get home in a foreign language. I mean, it was just you know. But I think that it was it was really good for me. And I said. That teenagers. Now, just aren't developing those skills, absolutely it. I mean, part of why I'm afraid to leave the house without my phone is because like I've never been exposed to world where I, you know, do leave the house without my phone. I mean when I was a kid I would walk to school in that was about like it. And I mean like this happen like once a month. It's so weird to think how reliant we are on it for like, not even just social reasons. But I mean, like safety reasons too. Yeah. But I was wondering if you feel like political as as a teenager. I mean, I I'll just I'll start by saying I didn't feel particularly political as a teenager. I feel very political now, and I define myself as a feminist. You know, I get a lot of pushback for my daughter who feels that I make politicize everything and she and she feels really kind of a little oppressed by that. And so she's she's sort of a little bit more conservative. I would say I feel like there's no way not to be like it's crazy to me not to be able to again. I mean that now with the internet seeing everyone's opinions. I mean, it's a lot. I'm going to you and your friends talk about that kind of stuff. Sometimes I try not to. Involve myself too much. I mean, I have my opinions on certain matters, of course. But like all educate myself on stuff, but I don't want to have these discussions right now. Yeah. I mean, I feel like there are more educated. Intelligent, people who can speak for me. And it's not like I can do anything with my opinions. I can't vote yet do adding yet soon you'll be able to. But do you feel like if you if you could vote you would? Oh, yeah. I think so I mean, I it's it's hard to, you know, pick sides on things because you'll always find something wrong with either side on any issue. I think you know, you gotta weigh out the good and the bad. And so how do you feel like you do educate yourself because I I love the want to to do that. And I and I feel like I really tried to when I was at teenager where I would, you know, listen to people I yeah, I tried to do a lot of listening because. Felt that there were people that were more educated and more, you know, intelligent or more life experience than I had. So I really tried to educate myself as much as I could. So how do you do that? Because kids today really educate themselves in a different way because of the internet. Yeah. I mean a lot of it is literally Twitter. I think is how a lot of teenagers educate themselves politically. I'm very fortunate to be in a position where I get to be around a lot of adults. We're not starting political conversations all the time. But I can still listen when you know, an issue arises, and they have a comment, and you know, when it's someone I respect I generally tend to agree with their opinions. But I try to listen to both sides of the story. I mean like, I sometimes watch like people who have awful opinions. I completely disagree with on YouTube or whatever just to maybe see their line of thinking and. In for myself on how I would argue their opinion, or if there are some points, I agree with till like different opinions. So what do you and your friends usually talk about when we do have rare. Chats a lot of them are in the LGBTQ community. So we talk about rights. That's political. Yeah. No. Yeah. Of course, I think especially there may be a little uncomfortable talking about it. 'cause I'm a few years younger than them most of my friends from high school seniors right now, and I'm a sophomore not that they don't respect me. But still it can be weird understand it. But yeah, I mean like again, it's not too much stuff. But when we do it's it's mostly just our comments on things. This is how we believe it should be done in someone purpose wrong. So we can get a better line and thinking, it's great. That's incurring. Thank you. I feel like I'm sort of. Doing all of the all. Oh, you have you made notes? Well, twenty four sent to me. Same thing. So yeah. Both of our characters have like relate ability. They're very relatable, I guess is saying, and I'm interested to think why you might think that like your character's play very relatable. I mean, especially in in like sixteen candles and pretty in pink. I definitely related to those characters a lot. And I'm just interested to hear why you think they might stand out. Well, I mean, I think that for me the reason why people have connected to the characters that I played is. I mean, pretty similar. I think to you to is that I didn't look I mean, you sort of touched on this earlier. But I didn't look like an actress I think I looked like a person, and you know, I was I was sort of a little bit gawky on. And I think it was it was sort of non-threatening tumble and never considered that point of view. Actually. Yeah. I mean, the character that I played in in the breakfast club was the character. That was lease like me. I think I was really I mean all three of those characters I was probably the most like Samantha, and and the character from pretty pink actually that that was actually written for me. So yeah, it was the only one that was actually written by John. No. That was the one that was the one that was not directed by him. But it was produced and it was written. And it was it was written after we did the breakfast club. So he he already knew me pretty well. So he knew that I could play that character. And I think he he drew a lot of that character on on who I was that's so cool, and it was sort of the character of Andie and Duckie Andy was my character in Duckie was my best friend that was played by Jon Cryer. And but that character of Duckie was based on my best friend, who's still my best friend who just one of the reasons why. Say the Duckie's gay much to the consternation of, you know, people who want to believe in like the Andy Duckie should have been together in life. And I'm like, no, they shouldn't these guys like there should also just be more representation of female friendship. Yeah. In media because I feel like in so much, especially with young kids. They are the obvious lovers and they're gonna get together. But it's like no times people of different genders can just be friends. Yeah. And they might miss understand their feelings for one another because I mean, it can be confusing when your kid, and you have all these hormones. Yeah. He's so genuinely cares for Andy. And it's so beautiful to watch. I think. Yeah. I think so too. And I, and I also believe that, you know, the the connection that we had in the movie, which really did seem very real in genuine it. Didn't it didn't seem romantic to me feel like it would have kind of none. I mean been a little ruined by romance. Yeah. Did your dad? This up saying it's impossible to talk. If you if you think about saying, I if you stop saying, then I'll try to stop saying like, okay? Oh, man. See I just said it now. Just. Possible possible. Leave us alone. We are nerds hair turn this over. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. One of the things I was going to say about about that relationship between Andy Ducky is is the fact that is that I believe everyone always says, you know, what happened to these people? You know, I there's not beyond a shadow of a doubt. I know that Indian Blaine didn't stay together. I mean. Yeah, that's what I believe. But I believe that Andy duck. You're still friends. You know, all these years later, it really just is so genuine their friendship. I mean, he talks about marrying her. But like when you care for someone that much it's just so hard to describe what you're feeling. Have you had any one like that in your life? Do you have? I mean, obviously, you have friends, but people that you've been friends with for a long time. I mean, honestly, I'll be quite Frank. The closest thing I have to that is actually Bo I mean, I really really care for him. He's I feel so incredibly lucky to know him as a person. And I mean, I've always been kind of like social outcast at school. That's another reason why this entire experience has been so amazing for me. I heard that you that you have a that you like dungeons and dragons. Yeah, I have my own podcast. Actually, it was really exciting. We just had a patent also on it. I guess star. Yeah. He's really nice. He is. It's pretty crazy. But his his wife Michelle who who died the mother of his child. This is weird little aside. But she wrote a book the golden about the Golden State killer, and the Golden State killer was originally called the east area rapist. And and he he was found like right where I grew up in citrus heights. And we didn't even know she named him the Golden State killer, and they didn't even realize until they were the same that the same person that is phrase. I know it's really really frightening world is small, but sometimes not in good way. I was going to ask you though, about dungeons and dragons because my brother was a big D player so cold he and he tried to get me into it. Or I tried to get into it when I was a teenager. But I was already acting quite a bit right? And I and I couldn't do it. Because it felt like it almost it almost felt like work to me. Yeah. I mean, I think I see it as improv practice for me home. I'd love to do stand up someday. And I mean. Just in general having a good sense of humor is very important to me. You know, you have one of your friends, right? This story, and you have to you're playing a character. Of course, by I mean, you can do whatever. So it's really nice to create stories of people like that. I never thought of it that way. I mean, when did you get into it? Oh this year. Oh, so it's pretty pretty recent. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because it can look very complicated from the outside. Yeah. I just could never figure out how to I mean, it just it's just seemed very complicated for sure I mean, there's lots of math in it. And are you good with math? Surprisingly, I don't know if I'd consider myself good. But I really like math. And I have to think about things very logically. My my was never really actually that good with with math. And the only way my parents could get me to learn math was to put it to music. Oh, I mean, there must be a connection between the two. I mean there is. So we've been talking about your daughter a little bit. Do you think have you taken her? Eighth grade yet. No, actually, she went to camp. There was the first time she'd only actually ever been to camp once before and it was she did not like it and said that she was never ever going to camp again. And you know, I think I I'm not sure, but I think it might have had something to do with the fact that I went to camp, you know, she was sort of intrigued by that. So she decided to go. But you know, I mean, I'm a mother, and I was just really nervous and to you know, this foreign country. I thought like what have we done? I was going to you know, like, she's not gonna have phone service, and she's going to get lost and what's going to happen. And she's not going to like, it should not be able to talk to you know. And I was just really really stressed out. And there were a couple when I wasn't. Oh my God. If she ever here's this is gonna kill me. But I was really really just kind of missing her. And then I the I do this show called Riverdale. And that the actress who plays Betty. Really run was the one that told me about eighth grade because she said that she heard something about it. And and really wanted to see it. She was really looking forward to it. And so on her recommendation, I looked it up and then saw the trailer. And then saw then I showed it to my husband, and you know, sobbed again, and then I shut it to you know, to everyone, and I just you know, Mr. so much, and I mean, she's she's different than Kayla. She's not exactly like that character. Like, she. She's actually pretty careful about what she puts online. And that's probably because I've been talking about that guy. I've always I think drummed into her head, you know, this is permanent. Yeah. Even if you think it disappears. You know, it never really truly disappears. So I think she's been pretty careful, and she hasn't you know, she doesn't do what Kayla? She doesn't make video videos or anything like that. So anyway, I ended up seeing the movie when she was in France. And and I don't know if she's she say. It yet. I almost think that because she just went through eighth grade might be a little bit hard to watch right now. Because it's still very I she she in high school right now while she's in ninth grade. Yeah. That's that's high school. Now. It might be. Okay. I mean, it's different for every person. But I think after you start the new school year immediately. The last one is like I mean, you're kind of embarrassed of yourself, but you don't sympathize as much at least for me in seventh grade. I was like oh six grade me such a dork. And then as soon as I move eighth grade. I'm like seventh grade me she thought she was so cool. She's a door. And I'm just mean to myself. I think once you're actually out of it. It's better. Yeah. Actually, kind of some of the coolest responses we've gotten from people who've seen the movie have been freshman. Oh, really? Yeah. 'cause I mean, they can relate to the most without cringing as bad. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little easier. Have you ever watched it with people that are your age? I haven't watched it in a while. And I did it mostly while we were in length the film festival circuit and all that I have definitely gonna do Kyun. As though we had those spree screenings across the country for eighth graders or teenagers in that was really cool to see the response. What what are some of the most interesting things that that other eighth graders have said, I mean, if we're going to say interesting, the most interesting for me is when people don't relate to it. You know, everyone has their own experience. But like I feel like no matter who you are you can find something. Relate to I mean, whether it's things -iety or even I went to party once and it kinda sucks. I don't know. In terms of good things. It's a really interesting to see them relate to like Josh Hamilton, for instance, who plays the dad or I mean, fantastic. And he's so great and gave who's played by get. This Jake Ryan is his name. I saw that real name on. I'm Devi kind of amazing one thing that that I just remembered as we were talking about it. I was thinking about the different scenes in the movie is a really incredible scene where I mean, she's she's basically being sexually harassed by this boy, and she finds herself in this situation and trying to kinda makes material thinking about it. Because I imagine my daughter oh in a situation like that. And how sheets try like how she negotiates herself out of that situation. And and I found it really upsetting and very I mean, it's weird because it's it's funny at the same time because you're. Actor but at the same time. It's it's it's yeah. It's it makes you incredibly nervous when you're watching it. How how did you feel shooting that scene? I mean, what was what was what was that lying? I mean, I won't lie. I mean, I tried to treat every scene in the movie the same in not give any seen more weight. I guess not that the car scene is in incredibly important, especially in today's culture. But I don't know. I mean, I can't think very mechanically about what I do. Otherwise. I will start freaking out. Yeah. It's such important situation. Because I mean, a lot of people not just girls boys to anyone really can be traumatized by these kinds of events when nothing really happens. But something did happen. It's just it's so hard to communicate. How you revealing? And yeah, I think one of the only ways to really get that through is to show it, and I mean, you've you've been sympathizing with. Character the whole time. And you know, you see her in the car, and it's just like, oh, yeah. I mean, you really really feel it with her. Yeah. How much of the movie was was improvised a lot of with like the teenagers. A lot of their banter in the mall was improvised in some of the kids in in the in the background. They were doing provide stuff. But the only improvised scene I had was the Rick and Morty exchange between me and gave I had free rein throw in. And when I was talking. But for the most part, it was all scripted. Wow. That's amazing. I mean to think about that. I mean to me that says it he's he's a really great writer. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really incredible. I feel like I just was given a perfect environment to be honest with this character in I was really allowed to be vulnerable. In my words, and. Just treat it. Honestly. I think I mean, I've I've been fortunate enough to you know, what films? They have worked on. They've been incredibly welcoming environments. So I feel very lucky, you know, how long was this shoot two months. Actually, I think it was twenty eight days. Exactly it felt like forever though. Yeah. Of course, everything feels like forever. When when when you haven't been alive for for that long. Oh, yeah. Your your sense of time. Completely changes your older. I I wanted to ask you, by the way, I didn't find a natural way to bring this up. But like you were acting such young age you started. How do you feel having that around like, you know, yourself from a different time? Well, it's it's pretty strange. I mean, I feel like there there are moments in my life that were captured on film that everybody else is saying like literally my first kiss is on screen. It was with Sam Robards. I was thirteen years old. It was in my first movie tempest, and and we had to kiss, and you know, we weren't like making out or anything, but it was like a real kiss, and I I had never ever kissed a boy in my life. And I was I was incredibly nervous about it. And I had this line. Well, I'm a virgin, so I guess that's all there is and then he kisses me again, and I'm leading up to doing that scene. I was just so incredibly nervous about it. But I didn't want to actually I was trying to act a lot more confident than I fell and everybody was sort of like teasing me about it. And then you can see like the vein on my neck pulsing. So. Yeah. I mean, that's gonna be terrifying. It was it was kind of terrifying in real life. But imagine doing it, you know, in front of other people, and then and then it's preserved yet for lightning, and it's in it is strange to me to have this this this very personal experience shared with all of these people. And like I said, there's just no way that you can really act that you know, I've seen those movies number of times. And then they become like that just become so much part of my memory that you can sometimes forget other things that haven't like the criterion collection just released the breakfast club. And and they did these interviews with us. And then they they they included all these scenes that weren't in the, you know, because apparently the original cut was like two and a half hours long hours long or something like that. So they included all of these these scenes, and when I was watching them like in. In these unruly scenes? There was a monologue that I had about why my character was in detention, and I had completely forgotten about it. Oh, yeah. And so suddenly, my memory completely change. That's the thing. That's really strange is that you is that these movies really permanently affect how you how you remember things. Yeah. That's been my experience. I mean for actors, I feel like movies kind of were social media before social media and a sense because I just like that permanence, especially of like having yourself, and I mean sharing it with other people too. That's insane. And I mean to think we do it on such a large scale. Now is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Because that becomes your memory. Oh, yeah. And it's yeah. It's so weird. Are we out of time? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Should we to wrap it up? Such a pleasure to talk to you. It's great to talk to you. Thank you very much. I mean. Yeah. Things do things thanks for coming in. And and I was she the best of luck with your career, and and and the rest of high school very much. All right. All right. They twenty four podcast is produced by us eight twenty four special. Thanks to our editor, Tom Wyatt and robot repair who composed our theme.

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Part 2: Q and Ace (ACS Jan 14)

The Adam Carolla Show

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Part 2: Q and Ace (ACS Jan 14)

"All right we're live on the stereo app if you want to chime in get involved with the Conversation what should we talk about max panel. Well i was thinking about yesterday when you're talking about those pranks say your friends. Who are driving play on you in the car. I had one that we didn't. I wonder if you did this to. Its whenever whenever we. We're in a car with my buds High school and someone would fall asleep. The first person that falls asleep it was almost second nature for all of us to then look at each other. The driver would stick his hand in the air with a three one. Two three nine three. Everybody yells for dear life as a driver just starts swerving so the guy who's sleeping wakes up just shitting his pants. Yeah it's funny. We didn't do that one. Although in in a weird way that was a little it wasn't consequential enough for us would scare the person momentarily but we would wait for people to pass out and when they passed out of this is more consumption of alcohol or drugs Then we draw the dick on their forehead or we would shave them or we would. We would tape them. We have duct tape them to the they passed out and put like cigarette butts in their mouth and usually take pictures of it. Some time there was some Resting of the sack on their forehead with the photograph as well. There is that. I remember one time. I don't think i've ever even told this story. But my neighbor was eighty and eddie was like three or four years older than me. And you know when you're eight and you have a friend that's like twelve. It's like the coolest thing in the world. It's like your old buddy. And he's like cool defacto because he's a few years older than you and Eddie said You wanna sleep over and I was like oh yeah and then He said like my other friend j. I don't know why i think that's his name jay. He's another like twelve year old. He's sleeping over two. And i was like oh man. Spending the night with the boys awesome and the night was uneventful. Slept on each floor blah blah blah. Woke up the next day had a whole bunch of big my back. Something human j. evidently desecrated me. I was asleep with a with a sharp which made me. I didn't mind that. I've desecrated with the sharpie. But i remember like going The cool guys didn't wanna hang out and have a slumber party. They just wanted to fuck and have fun after. I fell asleep so Evidently i was a pretty good sign for back then. I didn't think he'd have a hard time doing that with me today. Yeah i was thinking of games. We used to play as kids. And i don't know i don't think this game could be played today but back. When i was a kid we would play a game called fugitive and this is like in high school. We're just we're just right. I think around eighteen nineteen we we had cars. And what would it would be. You'd have like teams of ten and twenty guys on each side. These will get pretty big and you'd we'd all meet like at the tj maxx parking lot and we doubted b. point a. and the game is half half two guys on a team and they'd have to get to be which is about a mile two miles away by any means necessary and then they get a like a ten minute head start and it's just basically game of tag until and then we play back the other way with the other guys in the cars and the team chasing gets car so we would be running in people's backyards we would definitely be trespassing One guy stole a boat like it was pretty crazy stuff in. And i think about now just like all the home security the cameras everything on social media like there's no way this game could be played now. The i can't tell you how many times i would hop multiple fences and go in through neighbor yards. You know cut through the middle of the neighborhood. I mean i would crawl out of my window. Jumped the fence like being my neighbor's yard as to jump the fence unite going my neighbors swimming pool when it was really hot like all the weird fence hopping pool hopping all the trespassing. The used to go on. I mean it's all out the window now with the Ring doorbell and security cameras. It's like whenever our big thing was is also you know. When i was a kid things would close stores and places. They wouldn't be open on on a sunday. And that just meant you could get up on the roof you know. There's a lot of getting up on the roof. you know. there's a lot of i used to. We used to go to my old school colefax. And we'd we'd get up on the roof and then we get up on the roof of auditory him and we'd like lift the hatch to the roof on the auditorium in like crawl down. The you know the ladder and be in the auditorium like there was a lot of being in places that were closed or being on places like roofs. I used to. I had a friend who lived in an apartment in north hollywood. He had a pool and in the back of his apartment but there was a condo that backed up to his apartment and we get up on the roof and we jump off the condo into his pool. You'd have to clear like there was a fence. And then there's like five six feet of concrete but you could make it pretty easily but we would do it at night and we would do it naked and that was the. That was the rub. So you'd be on the roof of this condo nude and if they spotted you you were just trapped naked on this roof. No towel new trunks. No nothing we sit drive home from the beach naked. That was our other big move which is get naked. Throw everything in the back of the of the of the whatever car were driving and one time we pull up to on ventura boulevard off of a side street and everyone was naked and like it was one of those signals that never changed and somebody said to like one of the guys like get out and push the button and the guys like no way. I'm naked and we're like off. We'll wait for you here. And he's like swear to god and they're like swear to god and he got out of the car naked on ventura boulevard to push button. We of course took off immediately left him. Standing naked during the daylight hours is well. I remember another weird situation to which was meaning friend. Chris drove home naked from the beach all the way home. And at some point we had to get our trunks back on so we pulled into my neighborhood and we're just pulled over on a side street and start crawling into the back of the car to get the trunks from the from the back of the car because you. You couldn't have the trunks next to you. I mean the key was yet a chuck the trunks in the back of the car we can get to them and as we're crawling around trying to fish trunks out of back. My mom was on walk and literally just came up to the car and my mom. My mom and my dad must have thought i was gay. The had to have thought. I was gave all these petar naked shenanigans being on each other. They she must have thought. I was as she didn't sure she didn't care but she must have been convinced i was gay well. Sunny came home in a in a car. Full of a bunch of is naked buds. Then i'm sure you you wonder to wonder that it was so we did. I think half the school thought were gave because all of our bizarre borderline homosexual. Our behavior. I i will give dat but it made it funnier knowing that other people thought that too. Yeah it it. It's like but i argue that a certain point when you're naked in your with another guy and you're like doing combat at a certain point it becomes greek. You know what i mean like. It's not even gay. It's just old worldly. You know what i mean like the you know they used to. Do you know when they would wrestle naked for the olympics. Back in the day Are we got some questions here. You want to get to yeah. Let's hey adam. Chris rate listening to these things. Adam wondered how you got hooked up with dennis prager you turned me onto him and i really respect his his show and his views and his common sense. And just wondering how you guys got hooked up. I've never heard that story. Thanks guys keep up the great work. I love commonsense. Dennis prager is a conservative talk show host. Who's very religious guy but a lot of wisdom. i love wisdom. i love commonsense. Got a lot of wisdom. Got a lot of common sense. I've always been a fan of that. I always listened to his radio show. And every radio show out here in southern california because That's what i was. I was kind of talk radio junkie. And i guess i always kinda dreamt of hosting talk radio show but back then. I've just listened to it like you know like someone who maybe dreamt of being a musician would listen to a lot of beatles records or something and He had no idea who i was because he doesn't know anything about pop. Culture or comedy central or the man show or love line. He doesn't know anything about that stuff. Which is good. He knows russian literature and speaks five. Languages knows the torah. He doesn't know anything about pop. Culture and at some point i think as producer or engineer sean. Sean was a fan of mine and obviously work with dennis. And i think sean put together. She was like you got to hear this guy and he invited me on his show and You know the rest is history. He loved he loved my common sense as well. I think when you run into common sense you're very attracted to it and if you're into common sense and you find it it's very it's very rare these days especially and so that's where it came in also He's very gregarious sky. He loves to laugh. He loves my sense of humor and just kind of make them laugh so and he kind of makes me think in So it's a good. It's a good hang all right. Here's another question. Hey man this is Luiz from boyle heights just wondering. How do you feel about the running back getting phased out of the nfl and becoming quarterback league. It just seems that it's all about like flag football nowadays it used to be running back. Barry sanders jerome. Bettis were the face of the offense. And now it's like if you have a running back. They still wanna put it in the quarterbacks hands and it pisses me off a little bit. you know. i'll just wondering what you thought about that. Well i mean. I don't think it's totally true. Alvin kamara scored swat six touchdowns couple of weeks ago and You know going into last week's playoffs as a lot of derrick. Henry talk even though it never came to fruition. I think they're things that are trends that cycle like Take tight ends. When i was growing up. If you played tight end your essentially a blocker and the tight ends for the teams even at the professional level weren't really pass. Catchers there were more sort of glorified tackles with a number that started with eight so at some point. You know guys. Like i. Dunno dave kasper. Kellen winslow guys even mike ditka early on people forget it was a great tight end Some teams some teams had a had a tight end. they would use to throw the ball to Now it's pretty ubiquitous and a lot of these guys have the most catches on the team. So there's these kind of like cycles. And in this year i did kind of feel like it. Cycled a little away from the tight end and a little more toward the wide receivers. So you know a couple years ago was tied. In a bonanza tight ends. Now there's a couple of tight ends but it's kinda we've been talking a lot more about wide receivers. Maybe because wide receivers are getting so big and they have all these guys on each team. That are so big dominant. They're like built tight ends with the speed of a wide receiver. Stuff is cyclical and it. It you know it goes for a while and then it can make comeback. So i wouldn't count out running backs. I would just say it's a cyclical thing like. I'm still waiting for the punters to bring back the goddamn coffin corner. I missed the coffin corner. I can't tell you how many times you see these guys. They tried to drop the ball down on the six yard line but it just scoots right into the end zone and they get the touchback go for the coffin corner. And don't you like rent a couple of weeks ago and they yeah. They started to come. They started a comeback with the coffin corner. But don't you feel like in practice. There's really nothing for the punter to do but hang out and punt right. I would. If i were the coach i would put one of those big rubbermaid trash cans right on each corner right and left on the goal line. Right where the sideline hits the goal line and i would just put it right into the corners. Were the were. The flag is or the pylon. Isn't unlike you're gonna spend all afternoon trying to drop this ball into one of those trash cans. That's your well. actually be fair. I would slide. The trash can three yards up the sideline. I wouldn't want to go into the end zone. So i do but yeah no returns in a in a world where every team has a dangerous return. Man the coffin corner. Maybe they're looking at possession and muffed punts and stripping the ball and getting the ball back. But i don't know when they do that thing where they're punting from the forty three yard line and the guy has to take a little league out of it get a little extra height and try to drop it down on the five yard line or whatever go for the coffin corner plus it's got alliteration coffin corner and it's fun and it's always fun when the wrath has the judge where went out of bounds. You know the guy. He's always running up the sideline like stop stop. What are you keep running for it. 'cause it always looks like it goes out in the very corner but it flew out on the fourteen yard line every camera angle different bright. It'd be really the coffin corner would be a really tough thing to replay. You know could be really difficult. And the wrath. What chances the ref has a half. He stands on the sideline and he basically just looks up as the ball is flying toward him at forty miles an hour. How would he know. Where when alabama where in an it's thirty feet above the it's thirty feet above the the abounds. Line right the sideline. So how the fuck this. No i went out on the nine yard line or the thirteen yard line. all right. maybe. I'm making an argument against my coffin corner now. I think i agree with you. It should be a into the knuckleballer. She just be guys who specializes in. Us that and just them scattered around the league agreed. Alright another question. He adam He i was just starting to listen to podcast to about two months ago. I wonder if you answered question for me. Aspirin from wisconsin Some of your seems like hey i get it on. Some of those catchphrases the origin of them and their intention of them. Thanks a lot. Great podcast thanks. Thanks new listener High guy comes from the deodorant commercial from the seventies where he would open the Medicine cabinet in the guys neighbor and like the other apartment deceased actor character. Chuck mccann would be on the other side of it. When the guy opened his medicine cabinet. Instead of looking at the back of his medicine cabinet he was looking at his neighbor and go. How guy and. I always did that. When i was a kid to my friends because all we had was a stupid. Tv commercials where you'd see the commercial and then the next day you'd see your friends go that's spice shimmy. The baller care. Believe i ate the whole thing. Like where's the beef ended. Do look like it was all the stupid catch race stuff. So i would always go. Hi guy and i don't know wants some starts kinda gets a life of its own Get it on kind of started as a joke. I think mean drew us to do it. It was based on that song. Was it by chase. Is that the ban. Get an own in the morning Bonna big big horn. Smacks powder donna and the guy would just go get it on in the morning now done and then go bob and the guy was just go skiing. It all get it all. Get all key own in the morning. Can't get it all and all and kind of joke. And i'd like that song ever came on the radio at always turn to the person next to me and go What do you think the name of the song is and Of course joe because all they said was on but it always kind of made me laugh. And i think me saying get it on all the time this has to do with chase song from the seventies. Where did we figure out that the lead guy died in a plane crash or some other band. Think the lead guy played the horn. And i think he died in a plane crash. That's that's my weird collection of dawson shaking. The said yes thirty nine. This is my carry. Okay champ this panty melt there the day in the morning. He's talking about being super horny right like he wants. The time is right. And when the moon is bri wants to all through the night and it's gonna be tough to hook up with this guy. He wants all through the night but also wants to get on in the morning. Gonna make love to you. This is really just a song about dry. Humping this is it get on the morning now but he's also get on in the evening get on in the wee hours. There's not a time this one is this guy's refractory period. It's going to be you and me right. I wonder if there was some lyrics. That didn't make the cut like where The chase guy who's got this song called get it on and his bandmates were like. Oh yeah that sounds good as i get it on in the morning and now it's like nodding their head like yay gain on the evening ads. Like get it on even if you don't want to give consent Getting on with your kid sister now jonah. Get it on while the dog watches now And then i know with your stepdad in the room. Now let's say crate. I get it on with your stepdad watching. Now always get it on in the morning thing. Okay so was really good. So i got bright. That one down was so. I got get on in the morning. Now get on in the evening now. I just want to check my lyrics sheet. I got get it on while your stepdad watches and bates now. No no no. I think you don't want to morning. That's all day we could do morning or the evening there. We go right from morning to step down. No no we do morning and evening. Let's let's lose stepdad line. I think more people were late to the morning and evening in that it covers our base. I get it. Yeah i feel ya great tune very catchy okay get on with biological dad watches and masturbate down on like something like that. No dad's no no less lose all all parts of the dad watching any any sort of okay. Should we got. We got state to the time of the day. Well who's in the room for when we get on the evening. I had the dog in there. And the second i at doing the dog. Even each. i'll give you the dog if we if we can move forward with Let's work on the bridge now. Okay get it on on a bridge now on and on on the golden gate bridge. What what branch get on and trestle bridge get it on cable. Break down a a covered bridge now. I don't know that many bridges. I think we're losing. We're listening direction. Here i mean we'll get it on was great. We're going on On anna and i go get on in the morning now and we horns kick in again right and then i go get it on in the evening now right and then and then i go get it on a trestle bridge. Stepdad watches and masturbate south. What you say no no. You're still close. You don't wanna do the morning part. I'm totally confused now. Maybe we just stabbed. Make this one of our shorter songs. Oh all right. I got one get on in the morning now but on an evening now on i get it on get on while weird clown puppet is watching us on your chair now on and on and on all oh no you don't want the evening the eat morning i love evening. I love morning and evening. Okay where's this clown. Puppet thing coming fire. We're gonna direction keyed own in the morning. Now get on the evening. Now get on while you're in ram and can't render consent now bowman get on your hospital bed now. Bunn on get on. After ruben ban on. I think we should stick to rhymes and and just a mouthful. It's i think with morning and evening. Repeat that song. Let's just let's just for the lines. What rhymes with hospice care. Hospice was don't rhyme anything with hospice. Oh all rhyme it with care. Hospice care hospice stuff. Care there. we'll get it on their get it on their over there during the hospice care on on another bomb genius man. I'm we're right this shit down. I don't write it down. I think maybe maybe we worked as an instrumental. Okay we'll just do the pflueger. Nci seen good on came from love. It all right. Here's another question. Hey what's up. Adam just want to say a really big fan. Thanks to do in the podcast. No just the statement will thank you for that stanton Yeah well we'll do it and you'll listen and Here we go mere weeks away from twelve years at doing the shell so there you go all right next one ace man locks amata have a question for you music question on an americana band i think as would love and Wanted to ask you because you have might have a personal connection to them and is the rave ups and the lead singer and founder of the band was to none other than beth. Ringwald wanted to know if you've ever heard from them what you thought of them topped from charlotte out. The rave ups were a kind of popular local band from the probably early eighties Jimmer and i don't know his last name but Jimmer was the name of the lead singer yep They had a hit her kind of a hit. Got some airplay Oh the head probably two hits at one hit called rave and then they had another half hit. I can't remember about your dog. And they're known for respectfully king of rain and positively lost me. Their song was called me grave up which is weird. Well the hit piece of trivia. Beth sister molly ringwald when there were neighbors of mine are they're up the street. When i was a kid was in the movie pretty in pink hat did not have a speaking line but had a quick scene where like she was walking down the hall and like one of the. She's very pretty blonde. And one of the football players like up and carried her away. Or whatever. And i think molly ringwald was walking in the hall of her school in that movie and had one of those old school kind of denim blue. Kinda three three binder note. No pads are buying your book holders or whatever the hell they were notebooks and it said rave ups on it it was it was written on it. That's that was my recollection so Bath jimmer pretty That they played their song rave up. Shut up yeah rave up. Was there probably their hit or maybe had two hits Jimmer and beth got married. Young had a kid young and probably got divorced. Young that's That's kind of my my recollection of it. I don't know whatever happened to jimmer the rave ups. I don't know if they've ever there round if they reformed if they if he went on to score movies or anything dawson's coming in with more in phone by the way you can listen. Live on the stereo up. Yes dawson jimmer. Join me on my podcast front of house. That's about five years ago. And he came out with a new record. It's really good. It's really heartfelt. So he's still doing some music And then Beth went on to remarry friend of mine from high school named ken who she dated in high school and then Took a little. Twenty or hiatus from reconnected didn't adult life and is living happily now so good for her Write us another question. A man get it on wondering if you have any stories with The south park guys never really hear you talk about them too much. Figured all your years of comedy central together might across past couple of times. I've got Having spent a ton of time with matt and trey. Although i think i want on i think i want on Jimmy brother john's Bachelor party and i feel like we went to puerto vallarta rented a house and i think matt was with us. Oh maybe it was trey got damn remember but One of the south park guys. I was drunk the whole weekend. Don't the whole may to it but Yeah we we went there. I think it was for john bachelor. Party and Had a laugh That that much. I remember other than that. Not a lot of co mingling. I totally respect those guys and Think they're super talented and Wish i did hang out with more but No not really. And i guess there little enigma attic. Don't always make the rounds. You don't see him places and No for guys who've been on south you guys have been on comedy central's much as they've been on comedy central and this much as i've been on comedy central now not at not a lot kind of interesting 'aceman chris get it old enjoying the show laying in bed on the tail end of getting over covid almost data quarantines appreciate all the podcast and all the entertainment. I'll just curious you guys ever did anything like a senior prank at your school. Ours was the we found old. Volkswagen bug that was abandoned in the woods We drag it out. We painted it. Put our class number on the side of it and And took it up to the front of the school and chained up to the flag pole and stayed there for about three or four days until they finally came and told it away. So cures you. You'll ever did anything like that. Get old yeah in my high school. The thing that people would do. I believe is they'd go. Get the cow or the ball from the four h. Club department and they'd bring the ball or the cowan and they'd put it in like mr space office. Who was like in. His classroom is like the old teacher guy that everyone screwed with. So i think we put a cow in there. I had another guy who cramped into a bucket for like a week and then smeared it all over the place. That was a weird one. frank. I guess so. He got boston too and he was he was he was going to cal through and there was a big deal like he's not going to be allowed to go as a whole. It was kind of a mess. Really honestly becomes a legacy. We think we would take a car from auto shop and park it in the pavilion. Or whatever for me my a prank was. I didn't wanna do a prank in the middle of the night when there was nobody there. I wanted to do my prank during school hours. So what we did is we all met at my house which is in my garage. Which is right next to the school and about five eight guys and we filled water balloons and we just filled and filled to. We had like two hundred water balloons. Then we broke into the school and we went to the quad wherever one eight and sat around during lunch and we took the water balloons. And we we stash them. We put like we took hefty bags. You put like twenty-five over here and twenty five over there and everything else and they're all spread around and like like noon or twelve thirty. You know synchronize your watches. Everyone would spread out go to their designated area. Load up on water balloons and pull on a ski mask and then just converge back into the quad and start destroying. Everyone with water balloons. That was. that's what we did now. It'd be considered like a terrorist attack. We all ran and we nailed everybody and everyone was screaming and no one knew what was going on and then we all beat a hasty retreat to meet back at my house and one of our friends john got busted like pulled off the fence and people were chasing him and punching him and stuff like that. It was kind of a shit show but they never proved. We did it. They never they course knew i did it they they they knew i did it but everyone is wearing a ski mask and a windbreaker and there was no identifying anybody and they all knew i was behind it but i never got busted and that was my pranked. Did you do a senior prank. I is never involved with one personally but my class. Some people took the light posts at at in the poll wad like all of the light post unbolted them from the ground and just laid them nicely onto onto the ground so you came to school all the light poster just laying whereas zonta on the ground. I wonder if kids now. i think they're going to do like a zoom virtual prank where everyone just like presses their ads against the camera on their computer at the same time or something. I mean get creative. You gotta get creative now. You can't set your own room on fire or put a cow in your own room. But now we're gonna have to sort of california's zoom virtual senior prank. All right. you guys are listening on a stereo own. If you want to join us live. Coast to coast. You can do it on stereo. What else got expense am corolla love you all the way back from the man show when i found out about done for for comedy. Keep it up all right. I can We'll do done in done. I can handle that. What's the next one max. Banner high atom. We're about the same age and grew up watching all the same tv shows. But i've never heard you mentioned ultraman. Did you ever watch that. Keep up the great work. You know i wasn't much into. I'm guessing ultra man's a comic book thing or a superhero thing. Never never really was into the superhero thing. I've is much more into your dukes of hazzard or your fault guys are like you're kinda actiony stuff like i love swat the tv show. I never got into comic. Books are playing cards or you know Dungeons and dragons or lord of the rings. I just never got into any of that stuff it. It was always hands on blowing stuff up shooting people punching people like i just didn't get into the comic book stuff although i did love spiderman the cartoon but it's only because they had a great theme song like they had a super swinging jazzy. Big band big. Big arrangement. Kind of Song so i dug that. Because i love the i love. I love this song. And spiderman is the only superhero that was like self deprecating like. He had a sense of humor about yourself like he would never get the girl and all that kind of stuff like i. I've found that endearing. When i was young but no never never ultraman. You get into ultraman. pana no no. I think that might have been before my time. I was big on power rangers as a kid. I think that's similar. They look like i'm looking at alterman now. The ninja turtles were very big. Growing up for me. I i on the other hand i liked both karate and fighting and fantasy. Knowing that's karate mixed with mutant turtles human-sized. I'm all for it all right. What else we yet doing adam. Corolla big fan. I just jumped on what you guys are talking about. But i heard your show that the other day with the f. calderaro very interesting the man he's best. He adds a great mixture of kind of measured information with a kind of a candor and clarity but also he's not talking out of his ass. In what. I mean like when he tells you something it's based on information. He has or experiences he has. And it's no joke. I do not. I feel like there's a little bit of a blackout on the news in terms of what's going on in mexico because we like to really focus on how shitty the united states is and that's what all the news is about but we don't know here's an interesting. Here's an interesting example or thought experiment you know. We have two countries that border us. We have canada and mexico. Canada arguably is one of the cleanest nicest liberal less at least violent whatever countries in the world. Right like who's more civilized than canada. Right alex jay fox is from canada. So you know who. Michael j. michael j. sir alex p keaton and michael j. fox so i knew that was wrong when i said it All right michael. J. fox and alex speaking all right canada is like one of the most civilized places in the world. Now look i. Don't wanna get into the weeds about well. Yeah they had a man the serial killer nineteen seventy-one. Yeah yeah i get it. But i'm just saying not a lot. It's not tons of homicide not a lot of human trafficking no drug cartels. The best i can tell you know what i mean. Pretty stable government. You know stable. Nice right then. We have another country whose on our other border. That's essentially a narcostate. The what's going on. There's insanity it's a heads and duffle bags it's cartels warring. It's it's God it's folks who were the who was the Mormons getting gunned down. Suv's mormon moms with their kids being assassinated ristic Crazy graft and assassinations and corruption. Going all the way up to the highest levels You know police chiefs being assassinated on courtroom step steps in chaos and insanity. You don't hear much about either one of like you know like. Oh you know canada's we'll just throw some wants to enact legislation. Whatever you hear anything at it we should be hearing tons of shit out of mexico right. We don't hear anything to mexico. There's nothing out of mexico. I have my suspicions. I think a. We're so busy beating up this country. We don't have time to beat up mexico and then be right. All the mainstream media decided a few years ago that everyone in mexico was just some hard working immigrant who was looking for a better life and anything that flies in the face of that narrative they will not report so it's just the caravan it's just a bunch of moms in their Their five year olds coming over here seeking a better life. They don't talk about gangs. Don't talk about drugs. Talk about assassinations. They don't talk about any of that. Shit meanwhile chinese over there setting up labs cooking up fennel and it's insane but now there's no political will there also kind of look at it as possibly racist if you talking shit about mexico so i think that's part of it too all right. Let's do one more cher getting love from this corolla. What type of music do you down to let me know. What kind of music did i get down to before. I heard this because this is my new sexual jam if of course it was get it on by chase as previously mentioned but now that has taken a backseat to chef from south park. Lovin me down. And all the right way so i gotta say the answer is in the question. It is literally the song you provided for us and again you are listening. We're live on the stereo app right now and that was a good one to go out on. I feel like I feel good about that. I feel good after that. I didn't in most of these questions don't have a lot of production but That one did and god but did he did he. Say's jazz or something like that. We'll keep those common every time we do this because i love to hear him on the stereo app that is on the stereo app and i can be found This weekend where's my plugs off the hook on off the hook in naples kyle. Dunnigan is going to be with friday night. Yeah and then. Oklahoma city february twenty six twenty seven. And then you're going to kansas city missouri. Royal royal oak michigan or keegan annoy. Come hang out it off the hook. If you're out in florida keep screwing that naples florida. I hear it's beautiful out. There weather's great and it's free. I mean freedom tickets aintree but is freedom so come hang out with. Do stand up as well. Two shows friday saturday and until nick. Santana kurla for Brian gina and chris. Max bannon dawson now saying mahala follow the adam corolla show on twitter at adam. Corolla show follow us on twitter at corolla leaves a voice mail at eight eight six four one seven four poor about him his book on your emotional support animal links at adam. Corolla dot com.

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Season 2 Trailer: The Paris Review Podcast Returns

The Paris Review

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Season 2 Trailer: The Paris Review Podcast Returns

"Okay I'm recording here. According according knowing it would end. I wanted another. I do not believe a word I have dead and Saturday afternoon. At the edge of the world the white pages lift in the wind and fall over my good bitch. The Paris Review podcast returns with Season Two on October twenty third two thousand eighteen and audio odyssey. Let's see through the pages and imagination of the world's most celebrated literary quarterly. What is it that one evaluates the noise the silence time together it was like repeated languid in blissful through the birds scratched match board roof into my word splash hot. It isn't rain. It must be remorse. I'm sure the listener will know what this is if they don't get it. Fuck man aggressive always best this philosophy. Paris review real artist season two of of the Paris Review podcast featuring fiction by Philip Roth Alexandra cleaning homes with poetry from Anne Sexton Smith Smith Sharon olds plus archival tape from the reviews legendary interviews. This is an interview with Tennessee Williams. Why do new is an excellent question. This season features the voices of Jason Alexander Molly Ringwald bin Salman Rushdie Jenny Slate Charlotte ramping and more. I'm emily editor of the Paris Review. Join me for the second season of the Paris review via podcasts subscriber follow wherever you listen swear to God. I thought I could fly.

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The Stand Ep. 4 The House of the Dead

Biters: The Walking Dead Podcast with Dianne

1:45:03 hr | 6 months ago

The Stand Ep. 4 The House of the Dead

"The hey everybody can see diane. Hello welcome to biters and labels are limitations. You suck my gym. And i was just going to say mistake. Says labels are limited great minds think alike or wicked sisters are right. So we're here tonight to talk about episode. Four of the twenty twenty reboot of the stand. The title was house of the dead. And you go first. What did you think of it. What was your reading and was it higher than last week. Of course it was hired last bank or getting incrementally better I still have my issues with it. But it's getting much much closer to my normal rating system and it's a three point. Eight five ballgowns and shotgun key to any nice outfit is accessories very good. We will talk about julie. Lawry to mine is holding fairly steady. And as i told you before we signed on. There's a part of me that is a little disappointed. I feel like it's losing a little bit in rewatch for me. I mean it's been a few weeks since. I you couple of weeks since i had watched this episode and then re watching it. I was like okay. It was all right Who but i didn't passionately love it. The way that i loved it on the i watch. And that's kind of the way all of the episodes have been for me except the first one and i think it's interesting and before i get my rating. I'm going to remember to say this. Because i told you i would say this so you have have continued to rave about how much you love the ninety four production and i just am not in a place right now where i think i'll go back and watch this and rave about how much i loved it again right. I mean i'm going to tell anybody who listen to me. Oh definitely watch it. It's totally worth watching. But i'm not going to be like all right but the nine hundred ninety four version was og and you need to watch that talk. I say if you're a fan of the book or if you're fanta the ninety four version. Watch the twenty twenty version and vice versa. If you're a fan of this version you need to go back and watch the ninety four and at least listened to the book on audio book. Which what. I planned to ask you if you've downloaded it yet onto audible. I haven't like my audible. Credits are building up at like four. Now all right so my rating was four brained mysoginist out of five man man. We will definitely talk about that. Oh yeah we sure will okay. So i don't have much to add in the way of numbers. I think i said what the rotten tomato reading was last week So i'm not gonna go into that again. This episode got a seven out of ten on. Imdb which was a somewhat higher rating. Than i believe that other ones have gotten an open but still overall. Imdb reading this series as five point. Four out of ten. I know and i'll go into it a little more in whispers corner but just suffice it to say briefly right now there. I've said this there's not much love for this in the critics community. I can't say that i disagree. I mean i. You're liking it more. I'm liking it more. But i have my issues with it but i also have things that i like that they changed. And we'll talk about that in this episode So it will be interesting to see if it's stuff that they changed or just stuff that was left out of the version that you know. I have a hunch that it stuff that's left out of them for ninety four version. Okay so i completely missed where the title came from idea to okay. I was gonna ask. You have anything to to illuminate. I'm like okay. This is the second time. I've watched it and you know what i can think of. Is that okay. Hamming furred home. Yes full of dead. People accept mother abigail. And we'll talk about that I mean the. They talked a lot about the body crew. Right the body can leave the essentially the police force because there were no more bodies to clean out. Yeah i don't know. And you know. I i would feel more like okay. If they showed us something in las vegas. I could see that being the house of the dead because what flag is creating in. Las vegas is so corrupt right but yeah. I couldn't figure out where the title came from so if anybody's listening if anybody's listening let us know if you were. The title came from because apparently neither one of us did. Yeah no our writers were the same as last week except an addition of one so there are actually four writers on this episode. Which i think is a little crazy. So we had. Joel kellington aka. Joel kill who had king benjamin cavell or cavill. I don't know how to say. His name is one of the main producers of the show and one of the main writers wrote last week but he's written other episodes that we've reviewed and then the person who was the addition. This week was a guy named eric dickinson. This is his first writing credit. But the things that i recognize that he's worked on. He's worked on seal team and he's worked on masters of sex. Yes i do recognize those not gonna have watched either of them. I just recognized the name. Yeah yeah exactly. i didn't. I think i watched the first couple of episodes of seal team because It has What's his name. David boreanaz who played angel and buffy So they seal team and then there's still team six right right. Seal team is a series. I thought team six was to. Is it just a movie. i don't know either. I mean seal team. Six is about the team that took down asama bin laden right. Yeah i like. I said i only watched the first couple of episodes. It didn't grab me. And what's funny. Is i love david bory on us and buffy and angel and they liked him and i loved him and bones. You know such a different role for him. Kind of It wasn't playing vampire but he was still playing like an investigator basically But i just could not get into seal team. So yeah you know fair enough. It's kind of not my thing. I'll read some military military thrillers. Good lord that was kind of a tongue twister and it shouldn't have been. I'll read some periodically. I generally don't watch them. Although i do like war movies like i really really loved band of brothers but it's especially because i love world war two stuff so yeah whatever and i. I don't know why but i do have an issue watching war movies any any like war related stuff like i. I have so many people in my life. That are like huge fans of mash. And i just i can't get into it. It's wonderful. I've never seen band of brothers. Never you have to watch that for michael cutlets for nothing else It you that was just telling me you just downloaded southlander. Just bought southland. I just bought the first season. Yeah i haven't started it yet because it was a busy week and i'm just exhausted but but it's on my my amazon account. And you know i realized that i'd watch like the first couple of episodes and then fell off and i'm going to go back and be serious about it because i love michael cutlets. Yes and the evolution of his character in that show was great awesome okay. Our directors were the same directors as last week. Bridget savage cole. And daniel cruces. So i'm not going to belabor those which takes us into our future cast and i didn't find a whole lot of info about her. Yeah there's not much out there So our future cast member. is odessa. Young who plays franny. I really like her in this role. I loved molly. Ringwald franny But they're they're portraying franny much differently in the nineteen ninety-four version interesting. Okay i feel like molly ringwald Franny was a little more pollyannish And this franny as a lot more lake. I i'm just going to confront this thing head on and a lot tougher and a lot more lot more street. Smart and savvy And that's my impression of her from the book that she's very tough. Yeah and i don't know why they made the ninety four. France seem kind of lake naive. Alright well eighty is girl and you know i love me some molly ringwald not all of the films that molly ringwald was in asia very well but it's hard for me to picture her as franny. So that'll be interesting for me when i go back and watch the ninety four which we've talked about it's definitely on the lesson it's high. Yes yeah well. So young actually has thirty. Imdb actress credits. But i didn't recognize anything. I think it's because she's australian. Yes So i didn't recognize anything but there is something that i actually purchased on amazon because it looked so interesting which one assassination nations so. I watched an interview about that. It's like a four minute interview where they interviewed the four women who must be the main characters including odessa. Young and it sounds like it's basically about like how brutal bullying is on social media. So okay if you can meld these two movies in your mind. In the nineties movie heathers. Oh greenmail heather's with the purge okay. I've never seen the purge. I have to admit. I've never watched any of the purge stuff and i'll be fine if i never do now. Imagine that it's an update to the salem witch trials. Does that not sound interesting. So the thing the thing that caught me and actually made me think that i might watch it at some point as one of the actresses said you know we are all living in a time where we can easily imagine that it's terrifying to look at your phone and look at your social media because what you said got took the wrong way and horde of people are coming after you. Yeah so the premise behind the movie is Small town salem. Everyone's social media and phones and all their stuff gets hacked and released dear every snide comment that everyone said about everyone every god. I definitely said some private message. Things that i would not want erred. Yes and ural hack bylanes. These four girls who were kind of like the heather's You know the popular girls. Yeah they blame us for a girl so the entire town after so you could see the appeal. I can totally see the appeal. So i mean i don't know where this movie has been since twenty eighteen but it is now it's not only on my radar but i spent money on it so i'm definitely watching it so i will admit i was intrigued by the two thousand fifteen movie the daughter because of her co workers so her co stars geoffrey rush who i loved shine. And if you've never seen that movie oh my god that's a good movie and then sam neill who i know best from the piano. Most people know him best from the jurassic park movies. But i know him best from the piano. Oh yeah so i. I was intrigued by that. Simply because of the talent. She's surrounded by well and the lot of the The interviews and the the Write ups i saw about her Shirley right surely which actually looks interesting. A famous writer finds inspiration for her next book after she and her husband taken a young couple. So that sounds creeping. Yeah i don't know i mean. Is there anything. That's high on my list for odessa. Young no because my list keeps getting longer every day but probably of all of the ones we've talked about. Assassination nation is probably higher on my list. Yeah i mean. I'll be interested to hear what you think of in. Yeah i it's. It's totally right up my alley. I mean i. I literally just watched heather the other day and those avery movie it is and you know they did an update to it and i have not watched canton perfection. Yes yeah and they went about it wrong. I think. I think if they they would have done kind of the original concept for the the sequel don't even need to know no But so odyssey. Young seems to be a lot more active on her. Instagram seemed like she took kind of a couple of years break but her twitter account has been abandoned since twenty eighteen. So it's almost like she took a social media break from twenty eighteen to like mid twenty nineteen ish But she's had her instagram account forever. So you can go back pretty far. One of the things that i've started doing is i've started looking at people. Social media accounts from before the pandemic interested or the panel. How very interesting right at it super interesting and one of the things that actually caught me was not pandemic related She was actually involved in a peaceful protest for blacklivesmatter in new york. City just about a year ago now And she was actually arrested at that Protest showing my lefty. My lefty flag here. Good for her right. yes so i. I was pretty impressed with her. But i'm also like the the. The person in me who knows about my own privilege is like will of course you can have a record and still get jobs. You know like any other person right like if i got arrested i would probably have a hard time keeping my license yet. So yeah but like good on her for putting her her ass on. The line hopes i rub used to our swearing lunatics after dark and a real housewives right. So we'll say odessa. Young is another kid so we talked about on teagan about how young he is she. I believe is very close in age. So she was born in nineteen eighty-eight which would make her nine hundred ninety eight hundred ninety eight nineteen aids and the only reason why like incorrect you. So quick is again. It's the year that i graduated. So she's a baby so she's like twenty two twenty three yes. She left australia when she was eighteen. Move to la And then shortly after moved to new york which is now. But i think again you know i mean. She's a baby so she's had four years in america and i. I'm not surprised that we haven't heard huge things out of her. Just because she's such a kid and you know she hasn't been stateside for very long right right right. She did have a first role in an australian children's show called my place when she was eleven. Right so we haven't seen much of her yet. But according to the latest vogue She is one of the top six and they say actors but they're all female top six actors that are set to rule twenty twenty one and she's number one on their list really. Yes well she better get her hair game together. Because i saw an interview with her today at her haircut is horrible so okay. I don't know how to feel about it. I actually really like that. The really short bangs of sometimes thirty banks are good shortage. Things are not good on her. I you know. I'm okay with it. Yeah i know it's it's the wrong color red and it's way too short. I wonder if it's for a role. Maybe i mean. I remember seeing pictures of goldberg with her white dress and i was like. Oh my god. Has whoopi goldberg. Gotten that old and then come to realize it was just for. This role actually watched an interview with her today. And she like. Looks like whoopi goldberg with her normal. Dr karen i was like oh thank god. I'm not that so i'll give you that. Maybe maybe her. Terrible hairs for a role. Yeah but you know katie. Holmes did crazy red with shorty bangs for for pieces of april. And she did it much better. I got you. But i will say in odessa. To young's credit she plays like the perfect american like late teens early twenties. I mean i would never have thought that she was not american. Emmy ther and i like what if what is it with lake osceola actors that lake we find out like in later interviews. The they have these accents. And telling you dude. It's perfect fighters that we were talking about yet. Another foreigner taking good american acting job. Yeah but they deserve it because they're really good. Oh i'm not you know. I'm just being silly. Yeah but when you think about the number of people in the walking dead and the walking dead cast who are not american. Who are playing these people from georgia. It's pretty funny. Yeah although i will say one of my new man crushes. I've gotten more and more crushing on. Hannah's follow him on twitter over the past several months. Josh michael is born and raised in georgia. He's our guy who was. Jared the savior like the horrible nasty savior with along. Yeah yeah he is great on twitter if you're not leftover follow him and don't hate on him but i love him. You know what. I'm going to have to seek him out on tiktok because he seems like the kind of super surprised if he didn't have a tick tock which by the way i forward forwarded a recent magin biscuit to you today and i hope you side because it was gold. I did not see okay. You'll have to look in your messenger. Was that the cookie monster. One no seen the cookie monster one. So you only girl all right The only other thing. I wanted to say about a desi young and we actually will talk about this in my goods. Bazan uglies is that she learned l. for this role. Oh wow yeah. She is the interpreter for neck. We will talk about that okay. Do you have anything else you to say about odessa. I do not yeah. There's not much. I mean i. It's interesting that vogue has her poised as the number one actress to take over the world and twenty twenty one. So it'll be interesting to see what we see from her right while. There was a ton of stuff in whispers corner but there was a ton. So andy. Lincoln finally confirmed confirmed. I say in air quotes. The started filming for the rick grimes movie. He anticipates that he'll be back in america sometime in spring or summer of this year to film and my response is finally. How long have we been hearing about rick. Grimes movie i understand. We're in the midst of a global pandemic with new variants of virus. but finally. yeah so. I decided that the newspapers for austin texas have very little to report because the next thing that i came across was fear. The walking dead is going to be closing roads in the city of round rock. Texas this coming week for filming. And i was like you know i see these announcements about fear and texas all the time and i'm just thinking that would be normal in like la or vancouver yet and even now in georgia time because of walk in de while in georgia has lots of tax credits and is really a haven for filming for filmmaking. Yeah feel like in the nineties and the early two thousands of british columbia. That's why said vancouver. Yeah and now. It's georgia yeah anyway. So yes. I'm if you are going to be in the city of round rock texas this week lookout for road closure so the walking dead twitter rebuked the people who got on facebook this or on twitter this week for for blasting them for quote to pushing a queer agenda and they were basically like. If you don't like the fact that we have lgbtq characters kindly bugger off. Don't follow us. I ain't no. I don't understand how in this day and age. Yeah i think they were getting hate because of felix in felix in the world beyond And his lover. Well i mean like we've had gay characters on the show on a long time. It's twenty twenty one people together. I know it's like the thirteenth month of twenty twenty. But it's twenty twenty okay so next thing Jvm posted on instagram. This really sweet picture of a cover that his son made for him for walking dead season. Eleven for his scripts and it says walking dead the last season. Oh yes it's so sweet. And apparently of oaks a lot of emoting and evoked a lot of guessing season. Eleven filming has started. of course. so if you're the walking dead has added. John clever keith. Carradine and nick stahl who was in terminator three and some other things to their cast for this upcoming season. Yeah so i mean. Having a karen is no small thing now. Chandler riggs got hospitalized for surgery at the end of last week. So i did see that and i didn't see it was revealed what surgery it was well so he posted a so. He posted a picture of himself from what looked like a recovery room bed because they recognize the heating blanket that they how to them and the the caption was we back. And he's holding up a peace sign and then Or victory signed depending on your age and then he posted a follow up of himself on twitter. And he's using a walker. So i'm assuming it wasn't orthopedic surgery. And he was so funny because the caption to that was i swear to god if i see a single walker joke. So good on him. That's funny the episode splinter in season. Ten c will give us more of princesses backstory. Yeah that's exciting. I did a hit on a little. Bit of click bait. So there's an actor named michael. James shaw who was in the marvel comics universe in black order which i don't remember that group from the vendors movies but apparently they're not not the good guys and he played. He played a character called curvy slave There's a possibility that he may get tapped to play mercer who was a soldier in the commonwealth. So that's a season eleven tease The walking dead deluxe. Which is the re release of the comic books. In color it has been ordered to have a second printing for the first six books With all six cover variants published as. Well oh wow yeah so. That's pretty cool that it's gotten a run like that. I you know. I don't know how i would. I don't get me wrong. I love when i read comic books. I love comic books and color but like for some reason. Walking dead in black and white just source right. Yeah it hits just right. you know. it's so funny. Because i was thinking about our friend caves and lewis and i was thinking man i need to get back reading comic books again and i actually downloaded or kid which is a comic book by. I can't remember someone that we talked about. One of our podcast recently. And i don't have it in front of my face right now but of course i haven't read it because still reading another stephen king novel anyway. Yeah i feel like. I need to be more on my comic book game. We'll see we'll see if that happens. Okay so i've got some things in whispers corner about the stand So this is a little bit more about some of the reviews that i talked about. So roger ebert called it a hell of a mixed bag which i think is a pretty good summary. Yeah and as. I said there's lots of negative criticism for the series and people say frequently in the reviews you know despite the stand cast despite the stoller casting job this is very uneven. Not good so. I just find that to be very interesting. And there is periodically some love for the ninety four series. Basically saying this doesn't hold a candle to the ninety four series fee. Very interesting to me. Yeah and like. I've been saying along can't wait until you watch the ninety four version. 'cause like one of two things is gonna happen. You're either going to be like. Oh my god you are so right. It is heads and shoulders above the twenty twenty version. Or you're going to be like no. It was terrible when you're about so many somewhat. Here's a middle road there. I am somewhat prepared to eat some randall flagg crow but i also will tell you that in my brain probably the two characters there who are the most engraved on my brain. It now actually three four. So stu redmond. James marsden is engraved on my brain Jordan depot is engraved on my brain. As larry underwood. It's going to be really hard to see him as skinny white dude. I love greg harris glen bateman. I just love him. I think that's probably it ties for my my favorite updated casting. I love a scars guard. So randall flagg ryan late. Yeah i just. I love greg kinnear but then the other one is the guy who's playing tom. Collin in my eye. In my mind's eye especially having just reread the book. He has the perfect tom. Colon yeah He was great. Update the the guy who did it originally Did and as ing job for the time And i mean when you watch it and we'll talk about later in this episode when you watch it you really have to remember you know the time i will time. Yeah ninety four. This was also written in the seventies. So i don't know how much so there's language that yeah oh. The language was definitely updated. Like the whole handy capable staff and yeah. That was all updated. What was i going to say. It just totally went out of my brain. That's okay if it needs to come back we'll come back so you and i talked a little bit the last time that we podcast it about this. That stephen king had written a different ending. That episode nine is a different ending for this. So i found in my reading today that not only is it different from the nineteen ninety series but it is also different from both versions of the book. So it's totally new like. I wonder why i'd be interested to find out why he's rewritten such different endings. Like is it just because he wants to update it for the time whereas it because he he felt that there was something that was left unfinished live we have a better via like i don't know i mean i think we'll have a better idea once we see it. Yeah i'm intentionally not reading anything that spoiler about it because they don't want to be spoiled right so i think you definitely when we talk about episode episode nine. It will be interesting to see if we can figure out why he felt the need to do a completely new ending. Yeah in one of the interviews that i listen to today i learned. I think i kind of knew this about the dark tower novels. But apparently randall flagg shows up in several stephen king novels night talked about this. So okay go ahead. He has the the initials r f right so he shows up in the stand. Obviously that's why we're talking about him. He shows up in the eyes of the dragon. Which i didn't. I actually haven't read any of the other randall. Flagg books the eyes of the dragon. The dark tower series hearts in atlanta's and g- wendy's button box. I never even heard of that. Yeah and i have not read any of those. I will be honest and say have tried. You read the dark tower series and it just doesn't speak to me so i don't know maybe now that i'm going on stephen king binge it might I'm much more likely to try. One of the other books in that series of books. So i have a friend. Who's a huge fan of them and has been like since his teen years. Yeah ex has been is so that's probably while struggles to do anything. I think part of it might be dude thing biters. Let us know if any of you have read stephen king. Is it do thing. Are we missing out. Because we don't have the junk in the trunk why you know that's why we talk about it as being like that. I know of the only all female walking dead podcast because it was nice to get the female perspective. I'm sure that we are. I have listened to brain's gone bad. Which is one that. Diana and steve austin reference. I know that one female. I don't know if both are female. And there's more than one if there's more than two. I haven't listened to it but i know that they're good friends with one of the the folks from it. I cannot imagine doing a podcast with one person. I couldn't just imagine saying i know i could. I couldn't carry it. Couldn't i gotta have gotta have someone to have the witty repartee with right. I have to have somebody smarter than me. Oh god all right so the other thing. That i learned in the interview that i listened to was that glenn is actually stephen king's favorite character from this novel. Yeah thought that was super cool. So i feel like he played a very minimal role in the ninety four version. We haven't seen much of him yet in this version. He's big in the book yet. I know you know he does have a bit more storyline coming. As far as i know one thousand nine hundred four wise. But i feel like his character was very much downplayed in the ninety four version. So i i will be glad to see More of his character in this. I'm not gonna say anything else while evading of course all right So housewives housekeeping weaning. Okay okay corner. Oh that's right you had an email update. Yes so walking. Dead related former cast member emma bell. We actually were able to have her on the show. Because of thomas sankara some cool jazz. So she played amy on the walking dead and talked to her about her Movie that she was trying to get funding for Called nice trick. And of course lake everything off because of the pandemic pandemic shut down production on nice trick but they are back up and running. Oh good so. I got an email from tessa bell. That says we are hope. You're getting through this pandemic in good health. What are your twenty twenty turned out to be. We all stopped dead in our tracks but now we are back as synchronicity would have it primetime emmy award nominee judy. Chocking chacon chuck and sent us a short film. Script called the audition. A comedic look at the inner angst actor as she and all her inner voices. Prepare for a very short audition. It was perfect day in the life of for our heroine. Jill in the movie nice trick and we decided to shoot the short story in late january. The audition will become part of the pitch package to sell. Nice trick So they're they're backup running just kind of like everybody is you know tentatively as we can so I'm i'm happy to say that production is back on track for that. But in the meantime annabel did have a movie coming out called the argument A couple get into an argument at their cocktail parties at escalates until it brings an abrupt end to the festivities. They and their guests decide to recreate the entire night again and again determine who was right so that sounds interesting. It's an hour and twenty minutes. It's a comedy. I did see an advertisement for it. It did look kind of funny so that might actually go up on the list. Unfortunately it only has a four point five star rating imdb. But that's only three hundred and send me to buy you know after our review of white noise i don't trust the numbers on imdb. I just don't nope. Nope absolutely not. So i also had a kind of a thing about a former cast member of the walking dead crossing over our universes with the television show dead. Set that we podcast it. Oh so variety has posted a video chat between stevenson and raise ahmed. Oh that's interesting so they talked about a lot but they also they one of the things that i'm really interested in is they talked about Mets upcoming movie sound of metal. He plays a heavy metal drummer. That's coming to terms living his life as a newly deaf person. Oh how interesting And it kinda also Sounds like they get into some sort of socio political talk about Being immigrants and people. I saw a some it was sort of click beatty but not entirely about steven jahn. He talks about how the decision to leave glenn behind as a character was ultimately. Okay for him because he felt like he was really tired of playing the happy plucky asian guy who didn't really have a lot of range and he says you know i did feel like glenn was able to grow somewhat but i was ready to be done because i have a broader range than than that as a human being understood. Absolutely get your foot in the door. And then broaden your horizons which apparently speaking foot in the door invincible. Which is the robert kirkman property that has been done as an animated series is up and running and i just another thing. I'm a west but stephen that so right so check out. It's a. I mean you can read the article and so they give a the dialogue in the article. But you can also just watch the video and it's variety so it's actor an actor on actors very good. Yeah so. I actually had something which first quarter narrowly. I don't i don't have tons for housewives but we are going to be talking about a show on hulu called in and of itself tomorrow. That looks really good. It looks like kind of a stage performance. Plus a social experiment. So i don't know much beyond that type watched the little trailer that my friend posted and it looks really good. Hopefully i didn't choose poorly. You chose oh go ahead. Oh i was just gonna say. I watched an interview Of the guy on. Stephen colbert and st mojo producers okay. He was very very impressed with the show. Which is probably why he went and produced the movie. You chose a well because daniel umbro. So and i'm so flattered who is the director and cinematographer of white noise which we reviewed for real housewives on our most recent episode. Not only liked my tweet that we had done it but said that he really enjoyed the podcast and i was totally flattered. Both went back and panic. Did we say meeting awful. And that may be our one brush with greatness but again totally flattered if you're not into left n. explicit to our review but if you're interested in a deep dive into three disgusting members of the alright i definitely recommend it but be prepared to be really angry. Yeah and i will say that you rescued me. Because i've made a really inappropriate dead body joke. Don't always i mean we podcast about walking dead. So i'm gonna say it to your again and you're gonna tell me your response. So how many dead bodies does it takes. Change a light bulb. I don't know apparently six is not the right answer because the light bulb in my basement is still out and my response. 'cause you said something about making a morbid joke and i was like well guess you has seven thumbs in just got from the mortuary i love that. I told that joke at work and everybody looked at me. Blankly and i was like really really. It must morbid thing. Much more girl thing must be a murder reno thing. Definitely i have made that. I need to send you now. But i have to go through the three thousand names. I have saved like i said so funny. I know i have a horrendous number of things in my photo role in many of them are memes. So i'm just gonna say it again. I am completely obsessed with hamilton. I have had the song my shot stuck in my head for a week. now. I can't stop thinking about it. I play it constantly. I take breaks every now and then to listen to a podcast. But in pretty much listening to the hamilton soundtrack nonstop as bad as my taylor swift issue. It's funny you say that. 'cause there was somebody that i and i think it was one of the hamilton cast members who tweeted out something vaccinated vaccination related and they were like not gonna miss my shot. Show awesome yeah. I wish i would have saved it off. Clever okay i will say. I am in the second book of the bill. Hodges trilogy. which is the stephen king. Detective trilogy that first introduces holly gibney who we see an outsider. It's called finders keepers. i'm very much enjoying it. It's not as dark. So far as mr mercedes was really interesting. Okay up until just this moment. I was under the impression that it was a one book. And you just said trilogy. Now read three books. Oh no oh no. You're gonna love this. So i'm like lurking on wikipedia tonight looking up stuff on the stand and then i like looked up the stuff on bill. Hodges who is the character that that the detector trilogy starts out about. And i mean it's it's all about him but holly given becomes a major character early on well now about halfway through the first book There are five books in which holly gibney is featured the three in the bill. Hodges trilogy the outsider and then a book called if if it bleeds. It leads if it bleeds. I think it's just called if it bleeds. Yes so then. I was like are you kidding. I have to return to more books. Well when you're like. I have and i'm enjoying all of them and i'm just kind of one of those things where i'm like probably need to take a little break from stephen king after the third bill. Hodges novel because i downloaded the book that hamilton was based on it and i downloaded a novel from the perspective of elizabeth taylor who was hamilton's wife. So here's what i'm gonna do. If i ever get a chance to use any of my leave from work You're just gonna download the whole of audible and just going down on a whole bunch of ottawa and listened to him on double speed on that trick from is in fear the walking dead. Okay the only thing i will say in housewives is that i finally started american gods season three and as angry as i am that they lost gillian anderson after the first season as totally livid as i am that they apparently parted very badly with orlando jones between season. Two and season three. I'm still loving me. Some some ricky whittle and some in maxine. Yeah i watched the first episode notes. Like oh god i love his character so much. I love these actors so much and by the way chlorophyll leach man who was zoya virtue niagara who was amazing as the eldest sister passed away this week. I now. i'm so sad. I'm like this is why it's the thirteen month. Thirteen twenty season. Yeah yeah so taking. I go to these. People are like in their ninety. But i'm like betty white just turn like one hundred or something. They white center nineties. But she's up there would. I can't believe you said betty white's name in the same lake is a trilogy every race but i will say that closely trend for all of the amazing things she did and all of the funny things that she did she will forever be zora. Virtually in my heart forever. Yeah that's i mean. That was what initially came to my mind. And then i'm like what's the one show where she was always walking around in her bra end. It was raising hopes. She played mama. Oh i've watched a little bit of raising hope. I remember that gas. You actually charactered than where they were making. Light of. Dementia but close leach. Men like she pulled it off so well you were the reason that i watched any of raising hope. And it's and it's another series that it's okay but it's you know i fell off because there's other stuff that's higher on my list and i watched it because the other real housewives of alaska. She absolutely loved it. So it's not quite as dark as we are no not at all which is funny because i think maybe we like people a little bit morbid. She's not quite as dark as we are all right. Well that kind of gives us to our goods bazan uglies so i think i went first last time. Would you like to go first surer. So my good and you brought her up was actually the portrayal of julie lawry with the ballgown the shotgun so and we'll talk a little bit more because you and i talk alluded to it last time out. How we actually see her get introduced in the ninety four version and in the book This is very different. But actually i liked the update. She's way sexier. She's a little bit smarter and dress. Oh my god. I was thinking okay. Am i the only one thinking that ballgown in the apocalypse screens crazy. I would also like good. Yeah good crazy like quinn crazy. Yeah he does kind of turn out to be and she has a significantly expanded role. Thank you i am. Dvd and watching ahead than she did definitely in the book. And i'm guessing probably in the ninety four series as well. I mean we see her again in the book but she has a significantly expanded role in this telling of the story. Yeah most definitely so in the ninety four version. We see her what. I assumed to be kind of more of the book. Version where Nick and tom rolling to a small town in six. Tim goes to a convenience store to get him. Some stomach medicine and happens upon julie and he and tom still haven't been able to communicate because tom can't read and net can't hear or speak right so he engages julie to try to translate and she's terrible she so he goes to get impact patio right because he's having horrible diarrhea from eating a bunch of green apples and she basically tells tom. Oh this is poison. Don't drink this. This is poison So she totally messes with tom's head and she won't even tell tom knicks name at. Tom actually doesn't find out nickname until a little bit later when Oh what's his name. Pick pick them up Trying to remember which ones who they hooked up with. Yeah do they. Hook up with stu and glenn or did they make their way into denver now. They hooked up with Got i can't remember the guy's name. I will come. It wasn't the judge was it. No oh gosh. Gosh gosh Ray ray but not ray ralph ralph in the novel. I can't. i can't remember if it was ralph brenner. Yes it was ralph retina and ralph has been recast. as ray who's being played by irene bavard. Yes yes so. They hooked up with ralph on the road and nick finally is able to write out his name and Ralph tells tom nickname like julie doesn't even give him that in the ninety four version so she i don't know how she looked in ninety four but in the book she's kind of a sulky and i get. The impression may be slightly chubby but still sexy. I'm gonna say late teen in like a cutoff shirt. Because really because stephen king kind of talks repeatedly about her midriff her bare midriff and kind of her. I don't even know that. He describes it that way. But it's the mental impression. I have kind of pucci. Little belly hung. Yeah so i mean. I'm not kidding this. This version is way sexier and she's definitely i mean she's still not a rocket scientist but she's definitely smarter right so The original actress in the ninety four version was we talked about last week. Who is shawnee smith Who i lovingly. No from the nineteen eighty. Movie the blob. Because i watched the i saw movie. But they're not my kind of horror movies. She was in that But yet Shawnee smith is a gorgeous so definitely not a slightly overweight late teenager And she wasn't in a ballgown but she was in lake a poofy skirt So it was like definitely not post apocalyptic tactical wear like france wearing right now but it was not a ball gown. Yeah no she's like a. He repeatedly talks about her. Cut off. shored. Yeah and i just wanna say speaking of like cool checks who are kind of secondary characters. Steve ball button from aim for the head posted a picture of himself with trash from a return of the living dead. And oh my god. She still gorgeous she is. I was like a rock. And bod and danita comment about steve showing some leg and i was like rock and by her vira and heather. Graham have signed deals double. Well you know. I'm willing to sign that. Divorced fit divorcing and fifty. I'm willing to sign that deal. I'm good with that. Well i'm hanging. I'm solis so i really don't have anything i we were talking about the cold and dead inside club at work this week and i was like you know. I really wish that was more than honorary member. Because i think it would make this job easier. All right what was your good So my good was the whole for meaning. Additional storyline of the stereotypical murray trucker. Oh my god we're gonna talk about pat in my bad but go ahead actually but first of all it's a trap door but the track is conveniently parked just exactly the way it is right like i literally literally spot that from mile away. You know yanni. You're smarter than that herald monopoly that you are come on. I mean is like the name of if the updated mad. Max thunder road where he's pointing up and he's like that's bait. That's me. I'm like that's bait. And so i i absolutely loved the addition And you said that it was in the book and it was not at all in the nineteen ninety-four version It wasn't it wasn't the book i will talk about my impression Yeah it's it's an interesting concept so my to takes on it are well. Actually three takes is i. I'm assuming they updated the language that the trucker used because of a whole beta male snowflake. yes yes definitely. and i'm having images of my concern of it in my head right and listen to a podcast about him today. So i'm totally. Having images of mike in my head and i also think that the women should have acted sooner when the trucker was distracted by beating up herald like totally like they were like right there their heads were all like yeah. Let's do it. Let's do let's do it. And none of them went for it when the trucker was distracted and they. They've waited too long to turn out so much better if they have acted sooner. But i love that The check and dana lake. I love that she didn't didn't do that. That stereotypical like chick in the horror. Movie thing where she hits them once and then runs away. I love that she just kept hitting a scream at the end the stomp and the scree like you go girl. Yeah yeah i was. I was a little disappointed. I realized this is written in the seventies and that was like it's still kind of a thing because The television show big sky. That i really love chat his alma worst but it to the top of the list. It has a whole stereotypical raping murdering trucker thing too. God i actually know a few truckers and they're like really great family men. I'm trying to remember which like murderous thing i watched. That was like yeah. Truckers are bad and truck stops are horrible. Don't stop and it was. It was true crime thing. But i can't remember what it was. And you know the only trucker in my life is my nazi father. So right ralph truckers are back. There's a couple tiktokers that i follow. That are like super. Awesome lefty truckers. Who were like now. There's not going to be a food storage. We're not gonna strike relax. So that was my good is. I really liked that. Addition that was. I mean there was nothing anywhere near that in the ninety four versions so good addition very good. So what was your bat. Okay my avid. no actually. So that's my ugly. So actually my bad is the private committee meeting and is specifically their actual failure to fully and meaningfully include. Nick in the conversation. I kept getting so mad and you know maybe part of it is that you know we. We saw one character and we didn't necessarily see franny sitting there interpreting for nick but there are several shots. Were glenn is not in the same room as nick and he's talking. There are actually several shots at the beginning of the meeting where franchise. He's not interpreting for nick. She's sitting there stuffing face popcorn. And i'm like this is lazy lazy. I did not notice that but he is supposed to be mother. Abigail 's voice an ears. So and i you know my my recollection from the book that he does lip read. But it it really. It just kept niggling at me. It really bothered me. And then in light of odessa young saying oh and i learned a cell for this role. I was like well. You didn't use it very much. Now did ya. Yeah yeah in ami now that you mention it There was one scene. That kind of i flashed on it really quick and it was. It wasn't even just that like glenn wasn't even in the room. I think it was. I think it was stew that was talking. Maybe and nick was at his side right. There were several times where they showed characters who were talking and like nick did not have a direct of israel on them. Yeah and again. You know to be fair. Franny was not in the screen. So maybe she was interpreting for nick. But i'm not convinced. After her behavior at the beginning of the meeting that she was. Yeah and i don't speak l. I have very limited experience with sign. I used to know how to to to finger sign the alphabet and that was about it but her signing looks really lazy to me. Yeah i thought so too so. I always go back to a conversation that i had with our brother-in-law the husband of the other real housewife Who has been taking a course on sign language overs zoom since the pandemic started And we were we were talking about. How like they're they're like you see every once in a while aware they'll take a clip of like a senator or governor or something speaking. Oh and then they show someone who's like really dramatically super enemy and i guess there's actually like kind of two forms of interpreting where you have a hearing person interpreting for who's interpreting at. It's almost like a different dialect of sign language to somebody who is hearing impaired. Who's actually doing the sign inch for the televised event and Sometimes they don't always get both people so you'll sometimes you'll have like maybe the hearing person is doing the signing. And they're the ones that don't have the exaggerated body language And the people who are hearing impaired of the ones that are more animated. Because it's it's almost like you know the the tone of your voice. You know the more exaggerated you are the higher the toe nor your body language becomes the inflection and i thought that was just fascinating that i didn't even occur to me the difference in Someone You know someone who is not hearing impaired versus someone who is your hearing impaired and how differently they would sign. And you're right Franchise is very very Not hearing impaired it is very Not animated at all. I don't wanna say lazy but yeah lazy. I just it bothered me. It bothered me multiple times throughout this episode. Took me out of the moment. that's disappointing. Yeah it really bugged me okay. What was your bad. My bad is the The let's we don't want to stress the grid focus. Oh okay so that's really interesting. Okay not have picked that. I would not have thought that okay. And so the reason why is twofold and the first one being. They were talking about Getting the The the watchman when they were handing out the coats they were you know. We don't really have any laws and say you. Just this is just sort of a safety thing and blah blah blah. And they're like and while you're out be sure when we turn the grid on to turn the power back on to watch for lights that have been left on in the houses because we don't want to stress the grid and i'm like okay. Huge spent god-knows-how-long clearing bodies out of houses. Why did we not think of this at the same time. And just go and flick off. Everyone's circuit breaker to the empty houses. Yeah you know. I gotta be honest. I'm not sure i mean i. I don't know it's totally not in my brain. It's not something i would have thought about. I'm not sure that i would have thought about that. But i'm not sure that i would have thought about it when turning the electric electricity back on so in. Here's where my brain went is i was like. Why wouldn't you do that. Proactively when you are collecting the bodies and also searching the houses for dvd's those aren't a need anymore right and you know in the in the ninety four version. They did show when they turned the juice. Back on that All of a sudden all of the gadgets and everything and everybody's houses lights up and like you know toasters pop-up toast and eggs beaters. Start beating old batter and stuff like that. And i i was just like yeah. I think i probably because i mean all you have to do is go and turn the one circuit breaker off in the house and it kills everything. And then you can go around and decide which houses you're going to occupy you can relate them and blah blah blah. But i'm like okay so that toast popping up like what. What if there's like it. It freezes in place because it's been there for months and months and it starts a fire and then you have a fire going in your town and you really don't have the resources to put it. I was like did the. Isn't there a committee thinking about the toast popping up what is it pops up and sprays spores of fungus every and like you know a house could have gotten a leak by this time and it could start an electrical fire like i was just like so like the civics planning nerd in me was like you don't have the resources to fight a fire. You guys needed to think about this stuff proactively and turn all of those circuit breakers off it. It's really not that hard. So that it. It sort of took me out of the moment. And i was just like oh and then at the end the whole we don't want to stress the grid but when we turn the power back on it's going to be like national lampoon's christmas vacation where you have. Every single christmas light left on earth lit up not stress the grid. Though so i was just i was taken out for some reason. He's taken out by someone who's got lazy signing and you're taking by somebody who's got like like funny all right so we know what your ugly is. Let's get into it okay. So my ugly was bad ugly and it was the trucker with the couple of women because really. It's much much darker in the so. There are several man and several women involved. One of the women is actually so completely disabled by the repeated sexual assault that. She's she's like a gibbering mass and they keep the women subdued by feeding them downers they they like the multiple men who are part of this group that has this harem of women. Okay i thought you were meaning like there were several men who were also capped. Okay no no no. It's it's i wanna see. It's like three men and there's like four or five women. Oh my god. that's horrendous. It's really it's a pretty horrific story line. It's it's not super long but it's definitely a longer richer arc than what we see in the series I don't remember herald trying to be a hero time. Either i mean he kinda tried and he tried to fight. I mean he. He turned into a gibbering mess curled into a fetal position. But he tried. I'm gonna give him that when he got sprayed with the blood. I was like he was more horrified about being sprayed with blood than the idea that franny was going to be repeatedly raped for the rest of her life. Okay so honestly. I think that one of the things that he has a studio and glenn is that they saw him at his absolutely weakest most cowardly moment. He's like bad on stew from. He was bad on stew from the get go but the way that he acts when a like are by the fire and he's bumble up in a blanket and they're all kind of recovering from this interaction and they've rescued dana. Who was not the sole survivor in the book. Because there were more women He just the way that he kind of overreacts to stu. I really felt like he. This is really where he ultimately was like. I've completely got it in for stu. Because not only is he after my girl but he saw me at my weakest point. He saw me when i was my most cowardly. Yeah and like. I just definitely that definitely added to but like a we see previously that like win Fran and harold are by the fire by themselves before the trucker incident And he goes off to raise love to france and right and she's like out. I'm so interested in you. Yeah like he weirdly lake stew and it's like she met stew for like thirty seconds. He's adorable but lake. But you are you. You're you. I mean like like i said last episode like the the level of insecurity. Just drags data like. He's the guy who is the actor into real. Life is amazing looking and but the like herald like he just that that insecurity just drags his hotness factor way down so funny and he plays. It's so well he so he really is one of the. I have to say. I actually love. Most of the casting choices for the sped is definitely a fantastic casting choice. Yeah so but anyway the whole trucker thing the reason that it was my ugly and my bad ugly was just because you talked about this a little bit last week. They've got three three more hours than the first series They could have given the story line five more minutes and made it so much more intense and they have to make it anymore. Pg was but they could have made the story so much better. Yeah and it was a really really horrifying arc in the book. And i mean if it's that if i mean this this is bad enough. You know to think about. Because i mean. This is every woman's fear in the apocalypse is that it'll we'll just go back to you know. Well it's it's interesting that this is a theme. And i just you just made me think about this. But it's a theme for stephen king because remember rita was was being pursued by those people who wanted to trade. Larry a million dollars for rita now. I think there's definitely a lot of creepy sexual stuff happening in las vegas. Not all of it consensual. Yes and and there's this so i bet you're right i mean it's it's not just every woman's fear in the apocalypse it's every woman's fear. Yeah i mean there's a reason. I lock my door. There's a reason. I have a giant dog and i live in the middle of nowhere. But there's a reason. I have a giant lock my door you know and not to go down another rabbit hole. But i i was having a discussion with A a male in my life who will remain nameless but they were helped. We were talking about traveling in the caribbean. And we're talking about our favorite islands and stuff and he's like. Oh yeah i went there. And he's like you know. I was able to sleep like the knights. Were so great. That i was just able to sleep out on the beach under a tree and woke up in the morning and you were like i would never be able to do that as a woman anywhere. Yeah it like. It's super safe. There's no no and like. I turned to his significant other and i was. She was looking at me like no look. And he's like no. We're like no no. No okay literally. Had one of those experiences that i love and i say that sarcastically as a female healthcare provider yesterday where i was a monster. I was an idiot. i didn't know anything. Get the hell out of my room. And just order med. Labs the male medical assistant who has a fair amount of experience but who does not have the years of education and training. I have went in. And everything was fine and i was like yeah. That's because of your gender. Yeah it's it's a real thing it's a real thing. Yeah so. I can see why like they toned down. If it was so such a traumatic storyline was so much right powerful but that makes it even crazier that. There was nothing even remotely close to that in the ninety four version lake. They completely skipped over any trauma that happened on the road. All right so what was your ugly and was it. A good or bad mine was a good ugly. And we've kind of talked about it earlier and it was that we get introduced to julie And i love that. It takes place kind of i wanna see. It's in a furniture store but it was like warehouse. Hosh cody okay okay. She's like over to the plumbing section in entering some drinks liquid plumber or whatever. Yeah and so i love the updated that 'cause i was like what a perfect place to crash 'cause like we all talk about in the event of the apocalypse like i'm hanging with you because you have all the guns and you're right back costco. Yeah are cosco and like at our home depot are like right next to each other so you have a ton of building materials and you have all the food and on the way there you can stop by the veterinarian's office because you know the pharmacies are already gonna be cleaned out. Go to the veterinarian's office because they have drugs to And there's a couple of gun stores on the way there. So course because it's alaska at like a couple of gun source But yeah i'm just like i. I love that it now takes place in like because i was like all those couches do choose from that you can think what and all the supplies and everything and of course because ninety percent of the population died pretty much at once. The places were ransacked and cleaned out so So i love that. And like i said i loved The the updated julie and her crazy ballgown. Because i'm like. Yeah totally not tactical. But i love it. We're both going to be wearing the apocalypse right my prom. Dress and some combat boots. I'm good with that. And of course i have to accessorize with a shotgun. I you know. Like i loved like i just love. How horrible julie was. It sounds horrible to save but lake. They went there. And you know like writing down. Nick writing down his name and then they. It's me Yeah i was just like oh they went there about breaks my heart and like it makes me hate her like so much that i love it so that was my ugly and that was my good ugly. She was pretty horrible but in the best way. Yeah yeah okay. So we have to tour at were running Oh yeah we're totally writing poetry so we have to talk the squeaky seduction of hera alright. So the first thing i'm gonna say is that nadine from the book would have never been dressed like that and as we talked about last week nadine from the book was much more conflicted. She wouldn't have been like. Hey harold i'm here to make all your dreams come true. She was more like all right. I have to do this thing. And i saw a little bit of that in amber herds face at one point but for the most part my virginity but everything else is on the table while and that was that was accurate accurate for the book. I don't know if that was accurate for the negative hair so if wanted to keep herself quote pure show she ruined. Because she didn't want to sleep with larry and it was getting to that kind of right. yes yes. And that's in the story if it was sort of the casino in the nineteen ninety-four version. They don't really show as much as they did here and it was like they kiss. And then you like pan to a window with the breeze coming through in the curtains loading or the fire or whatever. I like it was that that kind of cheesy right. You know for the nineties. Sit tatas wasn't graphic by any stretch but it was a bit more explicit right in the nineteen ninety four version. It seemed like they had p. v. intercourse Yeah not in the book. And and i don't know if they did this in the ninety four version. I can't if they covered this already in the series. Or if they're going to basically at one point nadine does go to larry and she's like i want you and i want you to take me and her whole thing is if i sleep with you then i'm no longer random flags and he won't want me anymore and larry pushes her aside because by this point they're established in boulder and he's already with another woman right right so yeah just like in the ninety four version she. She seemed slightly more In conflicted in that. I don't want to be doing this. But i'm going to do this because randall flagg told me to write i you know. We've talked about this a little bit last week. And i just don't think this nadine is. She might have a little bit of hesitation but she doesn't have nearly the amount of internal conflict that the nadine in the book and apparently the nineteen in the ninety four series did yeah and so it sounds like the nadine in the book was more conflicted than a ninety four version and the twenty twenty version is like now. I'm kind of into the power thing. Yeah i being his queen okay. And since we're talking about nadine the whole nadine killing teddy totally not a thing. No not a thing. And and i feel like that is a line that the nadine from the book would never have crossed because one of the things that she said repeatedly when she was in denver in the book was we can't afford to lose anyone. We've lost so many people already. Yes she was like very anti killing very much. Not and that was a big internal conflict for her Yeah and so she did not kill anybody in would not have killed anybody but she was still for committee but she was still flags. Yeah and she's still was part of bat part of got flights but she very much had that internal conflict in that repeated statement of. We can't kill anyone. We've lost so many already so and i definitely think that her involvement in the plot with the committee which i mean. We're not going to say how that turns out. 'cause we're getting there in the series. The i think the only reason she was part of that plot was because she was ordered to be part of it by randall. Flagg right fright. Although i think this nadine again is far less conflicted i. I don't think she's conflicted about it at all. Now now. I think i think she's like conflicted. Because it's like while it is the actual devil. But he's like super hot. And i'm kind of power hungry so it's okay so in the book he's not the actual davel. Yeah definitely get the feeling that he's one of seton minions but he's not satan. Yeah so i get that. In stephen king movies overall. But i feel like in the in the movie versions. It doesn't come across that way yet or no Okay and speaking of teddy. Can i just say what a great friend. He is for like his dying. Words were unheralded. Allwood agree friend too bad. He has really poor taste in friends. He had no idea though. No no not at all. This is another one of those. It happened in the book and happened. This way in the book moments but mr anthony who is the guy who is such a jerk in the big community meeting needs those while the person who showed up with those wounds that we've learned about baba study class. And what are the lights coming. Back on that guy He actually bales on colorado to go and be with flag in las vegas. And it's it's kind of. It's commented on in the story because they're like yeah. We had a few people defect to go to a slang that wasn't at all in the ninety four version. And that makes me wonder and you know i. I don't know if you know. I don't know if they address this later on that affect the defect defect. Sorry i misspoke I don't know how that will affect this spies that we're sending in because you would think they would recognize their community members and maybe they will talk about that too because i have some major issues with the whole tom collins storyline. Let let's just get into it. Like i was gonna say like maybe they're like okay. They defected to because they didn't like it there. So okay. I can't really tell you i can't remember like what's storyline. They gave dana and what storyline they gave. The judge who as i said last time was a man in the book and they actually developed the judge much more as a character. So i'm i'm kinda bummed that we're not getting that character development because he was definitely a very minor character but he still has a pretty cool guy But the way that they handled the tom collins thing in the book i felt was so much better and it actually gave tom as a person and as a spy a little bit of protection. Yeah so and. I don't know if the savvy handled it in the story that you know. But they had someone hypnotize him and the person who did the hypnosis implanted suggestions like this is what you watch for and this is the signal that you need to come back that you will see when you need to come back and this is your story this is. This is why you left. Collorado and his story was basically that amount. They drove him out because they didn't want someone who was. I'm not gonna use the word they use in the original story someone who was disabled getting with getting with the women of the community yup and creating children like him right now an or they used in ninety four and that a you know this goes back to okay. We've got three more hours. You could have taken five minutes to do that. Storyline well taken five minutes. Just show them implanting. Those stories and suggestions in tom and and and i mean we're not even gonna get into whether or not as valid and i do think that there are legit cases where hypnosis is real and valid. I mean it. It created a situation where you had someone who is relatively simple. Have a story have a story that he stuck to who he was convinced in his mind that that was the story. So there's really no way that anyone could have gotten different story from him because that's the story that he left with. They draw hanging out right and there is no risk of him screwing up his story. Has you know these things were implanted in him right. Yeah so it really bugged me that. They didn't take the few extra minutes that they could've taken to do that. storyline properly. Yeah and i feel like maybe that storyline probably got put aside because it is the less pc version of a worry. I think you can still take someone who is disabled whether due to an injury or due to development and i think you can handle that story with care and still do it right. Yeah they didn't. They didn't very well in ninety. Four all of the characters. That were like you know in the committee who were there when the when they Information was implanted and tom colin. They they were very like conflicted about it and they were all very lake and we see song conflict about it but not nearly as much now. Yeah so yeah i. I was kinda disappointed with that. Update to just a little brief aside on. Tom collins so i did. I don't think they actually showed an interview with the actor. I think they just Shared some things from an interview that he had given but in one of the videos that i was watching today to try to get more information about obama young. They talked about the actor. Who's playing tom. Cullen and he actually watched like multiple sessions with people who had been severely brain injured to get a sense of how to interpret this character. And you know he. He doesn't amazing job he does said he's what i really recognize him from is orange is the new black and the character that he plays an orange is. The new black is just night and day from you know. Honestly don't remember that garden. I need to go back and finish. Orange is the new black. But i need to go back specifically now to watch that garda's he of course i remember porn stash like everybody does so mad sweeney in in american gods. Oh that's right. Yeah so pyschedelic came in at like i. I want to say like season three or something. And he was the one that eventually basically caused them to riot because he was so awful. Okay and i was that far along. But it's been long enough since i've watched it that. Yeah i need to go back. And then of course. He plays big john in manhunt. And so again. A completely different character from tom collins so whatever he did to prepare for this role you know worked because i think he's doing a bang up job. He's completely believable. Yeah so i really really liked the scene Back after the trucker where they were still on the road and they were by the campfire. And they're trying to convince franny and herald to come to colorado with them and herald super skeptical. And of course we all know. It's because he's not having the dreams Rights and i love how glenn explained to him and convinced him and he's like You know think of it as you. Because he has a scientific mind. Think of it as science. Think of the guy who. I look through a microscope and how that probably seemed like magic. You know but it's it's science and Maybe every word of the bible is true. Let's see how far this rattle goes. you know. Brilliant i i just i that scene sticks out to me so much because i there was nothing like that really in the ninety four version and of course you know we love the updated glenn character Very much so yeah One thing that. I really really didn't make this almost my bad as i do. Not like the updated hemming for home all. I'm so glad you brought that up. Because i was just looking through my notes to see what else i had and i. It completely undermines the whole mother abigail story to have her in an old folks home absolutely whole thing about nine years old brain right. I mean the whole thing about mother a is that she has this homestead she wall homestead. She has this little place on on in this cornfield and she used to be you know hundreds of acres and then it gradually got sold off and taken away from our family and she still has a few acres laughed and yeah she i think she was one hundred eight in the book but whatever and yeah she still makes her own bread and when she knows that that franny and stu and everybody is gonna arrive. She has a vision that they're going to arrive. She literally walks for hours to a neighbor's home to to get to see if any of that neighbors chickens are still alive so that she can feed them chicken. Oh that's not in the ninety four version but there is a scene. I think we're it's like she's she's like carrying water inside or something like she has a pump out sign. And she's like there's something she's doing something and it's very labor s and you now the the updated mother abigail is like. I'm gonna run out of water and medication soon and like. Oh yeah and i mean that really does completely undermine the whole story of mother abigail. Yeah i was totally disappointed that they took hemming for at home. Which was her her little home in the cornfield and turned it into an old folks home. Yeah yeah horrible. Terrible terrible decision very bad. do not zero stars. But did you notice. When nick noticed the advertisement for having i home only like four miles away or whatever it was. Did you notice the advertisement. I did not but i do know that. There is a certain person who has a cameo and was that the cameo and i missed it. I don't. I really hope that. That is not stephen king's only cameo as so his cameo is that he is an employee of hemming for at home. So i well. That's the only cameo the advertisement. Looks like a norman rockwell painting. You know it was like people sitting around the dinner table with a big spread and he was one of the people at the table. And like i'm like. Is that really all working to get. Oh so was he a resident or was he a. He was just a picture in advertisement. Okay yeah i'm like that better. Not be. All we get your. I mean if he was a like an orderly or something at our doctor. At the at the hemingway home. We're either gonna see him in a flashback. Or he will have a bandon the people in the home and we'll see him later in either colorado or vegas like and you know that's just kind of an awful thing. Oh god that would be awesome. It'd be horrible. did it would be awesome right. That takes me straight back to autos right except the vassos were good guys right right. Nope the reason why this like basically this gang was taking care of the elderly is because all of the doctors and stuff abandon them alright so just a quick search to see if i can figure out if that was his only cameo and i didn't figure it out so well i really hope that it wasn't. I hope that he makes a more weighty cameo than i agree i completely missed it and i knew that he was going to be making a cameo related to having home. But i missed it. Yeah oh. I'm so glad you brought that up because that was definitely something that really really bothered me. You know i did right in my notes and you mentioned this earlier. Damn stewart redmond is handsome. I sorry i really liked james martin as st redmond. He's really great. He is very easy on the eyes. And he does have details for miles. Harold harold dimples miles and you know again another guy that doesn't seem to have aged since the late nineties. What is in the water in california. I don't know apparently we need to go there and drink some stat. The only last thing that i have to add is again. We get a great soundtrack. This episode we got johnny cash. Don't sound was great to open with that. Yeah and then The national anthem on guitar ands and so i guess jordan depot actually is a musician. I that was one of the things that i heard one of the interviews that i looked out today. Yeah i feel like when we did him featured cast member. I've read something. Like but that that was wicked cool yeah yeah it was like shades of jimi hendrix cool absolutely. That's exactly what i thought. Yeah yeah so. That's all that. I had for the episode. Do you have anything else. I don't think i have anything else. I think that we touched on everything. I wanted to touch on. Yeah yeah so. Like i said. The episodes are improving. I think we've both watched the next episode and no further. How of and that's exactly right. And i'm i'm gonna say that. I think once again it may lose a little bit in rewatch for me but boy what i will say is the visual. Imagery is very different. From what i have in my head from reading the novel any gary different from the ninety four version interesting interesting it will be my highest rated episode like. I said they're going up there on a steady incline won't be ted out of five by the time we get out so it's gonna be like the game spots doc right. Oh my friend's son who told me that he was going to monetize his youtube channels tonight when he brought me dinner again. She was sent dinner to me three times this week. Because she's like you have to be healthy. You need to eat some meat. Bless their hearts. I don't know what i've done to deserve this but thank goodness anyway. He told me that he was watching his game. Stop stock that's funny. So so he's he's counting on game. Stop and not youtube right now. See and now. I'm keeping my eye on doja coin which is like the new bit clean lay. It was it was selling for like point. Zero zero zero zero to three for one doja coyne and bryan as our dark money at her like our. Yes and i keep seeing a whole bunch of staff. And i'm like well i mean if people pump enough hype into something like they did on reddit for the game stop stock People will buy so if it's just like anything if you get in early when it's low any sell high you know but i don't know i just typical accountant. I don't like to risk money. I don't like the possible loss of principle. I probably give me a steady in claim It's funny but yeah so. I'm excited for the next episode. At 'cause after that one we are completely in the dark about what comes next. So yes and it's it's okay to not watch the little hard but it's okay. Yeah yeah and. I certainly have plenty of other stuff to watch. And there is plenty in the news to keep stuff out of the headlines. So i'm not stumbling across spoilers like i do for the walking dead so far knock wood no spoilers for ten see nothing that that has been unexpected or or hugely ruinous. So yeah so tomorrow. I think we are podcasting in it of itself. So if you're listening to this before you listen to real housewives go watch in it of itself on. Who if you listen to real housewives. Well i don't think that'll be a very political episode. I don't think he. I don't know i mean again. All i have is the the very brief youtube clip that my friend posted. So i don't know i don't know what we're going to see right all right so until then just remember. Take one dead day at a time week. Everybody good week sale.

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Mom Says  Episode 1 Friends

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Mom Says Episode 1 Friends

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW dot com tested dot com before information. Welcome to mom says this is Erica. Erica and this is amy two moms from the Metro. Detroit area trying to navigate through the stage of the terrible teenage years. Were not experts but we are MOMS of teenagers with with real life issues in this corner the podcast world we will talk about funny. Situations is sometimes serious ones. We are going to be honest. Funny Snarky and maybe emotional. Why because mom says I this is amy? Hi this is Erica. We are so excited to talk to all of you you. This episode is going to be about friends. Friends had when moms have to make friends or make new friends. Whether that's like difficult call thing to do or an easy thing to do and also we're going to talk about. I'm kids kids. Having to make friends is it actually easier or Carter. I mean depending on I think it all depends to be honest with you but let's before we start there. Why don't we go ahead and talk a little bit about ourselves so that people know who we are and then So they kind of understanding what we're telling our stories because that's what we like to do. Tell stories okay. So as we've mentioned mentioned we have a total of six kids combined I have the most I have four. My oldest is nick. He's nineteen eighteen he's in college and I have triplets they are fifteen Andrew Meghan Jillian. So that's my crew so I actually have two kids and it's kind of funny because they do not want me to use their names on the show. Kelly RIPA really nervous. I'm telling you I have given them. Aliases and I have a son who is actually. Their birthdays are coming up next month. So my son will be nineteen and his name. We'll be Nathan and actually a funny story about that and then my daughter who will be fifteen next month as well. We will call her Suzie. So and those have event approved they were approved so but let me tell you a funny story about Nathan is he was only two days old old and he was in the Nikki with the hospital and I came in to visit him and I walk in. And you know there's all these nurses everywhere you can kind of hear the chirping being of little monitor's going off and look at my son again just a reminder. His name is really not Nathan looked down at him and I said Hi. Nathan how are you and suddenly I realize oh my gosh that is not my kid's name and I kind of looked around and I thought okay they're probably gonNA think I'm crazy. Are they going to ask me to leave. Are they going to think this is really my child and it was horrifying just to kind of look around but thankfully and you know this was almost nineteen years ago and I remember it like it was yesterday because I was so embarrassed because Nathan wasn't even under list of names so where it came up with an old boyfriend. No no no no. It's so funny I don't I don't understand it so but needless to say it was about a thirty the second like freak out when I looked around and noticed that nobody was paying attention to me I was like oh I'm so thankful and I actually didn't tell my husband that atfer like maybe two or three years because I was like really what is wrong with today's old. I can understand that like it's it's new. It's he's a new a new product. ACT Like you've got to remind remind yourself like us your that's yours and yeah he. It's a new name so I can kind of understand that and just picking surnames in general is crazy and all. It was. Go through the checklist and you know with our trade. It will not my tradition. My husband's tradition you name your firstborn son after the father. Oh my dad was very you know for forward and just saying that's okay because his name is Cyril and he that's okay we're we're good so he didn't. He just didn't just the flashbacks of his childhood. Hutton being called cereal and all that kind of stuff. So he's like that's okay. I'm not I'm not upset. But then my father-in-law's Giorgio so you know I was kind of having hiring and I didn't really want like you know these. He's traditional Italian names. I wanted to be you know Americanized but sure I look back on. What was what was wrong with that? You know but Joking which I being being pregnant. You don't joke with a pregnant Gal. My husband comes home and he's like I found. I've got the name I've got the perfect name for our child and like okay what is it. He's like deduct Camille Biagio Giorgio and just looked at him and broke down in tears. Because I know that that's a lot that allow full in our last name. We after a few tears and he felt guilty and he just decided Nicholas was good but now when when he was five realized his initials are Nag though he did ask if we did that on purpose things. Oh that is so funny that it is anyway. Yeah we're kind of sidetracked with that but anyway as far as friendships Yes I think important we how we met because it is kind of a funny story and let me tell you. I think my children can say play by play like word for word Kinda like I can recite the whole movie of Sixteen. Candles does without watching the movie. Exactly they can recite the story over and over again for me and I hope someday if I'm the nursing home they can continue that story and I don't no no maybe it'll be you know a a story that they'll be honoring me some fifty million years from now there'll be like remember when. Oh Yeah and hopefully. I'll be there to here. That's right so yeah so Erbakan I had. We've crossed paths several times. She was part of you know parents guild groups and I would come to the meetings and stuff and we ended up in a room together. What did you call that? The we were asked to be part of a fun. What was the word to you? The Milk River sorry like into fundraising. Oh we're volatile Valentine'll come to this meeting which I still to this day. Don't understand understand the whole concept but that's okay so it brought us together so after this meeting was over we're standing outside of the school and for quite some time because you know awash I might be a little quiet right now but I do have the gift to Gab. I didn't even know amy from Adam like I know she was. I knew her kids were but we just started talking and talking and talking and I swear the Sun was going down as we were talking in a circular driveway and mice. That's what you walked away and and I got to my car. I thought she's Never GonNa talk to me again. I just felt like I just talked your head often. Your who is this girl. I just go ahead. I'm sorry so not knowing. All of you know Erica's background and stuff I was going through the city paper and there was this giant ad for Dr Molly Ringwald Jazz concert okay. First of all I said even go to other than the sentence right yes an then I squealed and my husband almost crashed the car. And he's like what's going on in my coming to town and he's like I'll take you know. Yeah no I love you but this is. This is a moment for girls. Yes yeah so. I put out a mass tax with a couple friends in radio silence and then all of a sudden air could chimed in. I'll go and I'm like all right. I understand I love so so life then came. The math techs out. Yes realizing that this was our number one interest was molly Ringwald Ringwald. But when I was younger seriously I would take a picture of her and I would take it to her name was it. It wasn't bridget Brigitte. She would cut my hair at this Samal and I would say I would like to look like her and then I would show rose picture of molly who had like red curly hair natural side shorter. Oh yes when side was shorter than the other. It's so for about two or three years. I was always coming. I mean with Pictures Molly Ringwald. I'm like make me look like her and she'd be like Oh okay. They were awful. I loved her. I learned her. I mean she was totally that. Yeah I too wouldn't like like her and the fact that she was going to be in a state of Michigan and we're both ways why is she there. It was just like a community college theater and we're like why would she comes there so we have this grand plan like we planned over a month in advance like wearing pink like we were all into this like yes we were sold so tickets repurchase a purchase. And we're like all right. You know what we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA make sure we talked to her and we're going to be like listen. Molly we can call you molly right because we're friends we're going to take you out for drinks and we're going to go awesome cool because where you're at right. Now is not cool. So we had the grand dios plan right so Erica sucked it up she. She bought the CD I did. I was like no I. Don't I wanted to know what is she she does she. Can't she even sing. I didn't realize that and she actually has is a really good back story about singing. Yeah so yeah I came. Yeah you came prepared. They wanted an autograph Michael Yes exactly. So we're jamming out. I was like a date night out to dinner. Where like Super Geeky? So did you remember the dinner an awesome Thai restaurant. Yes but do you remember what happened to us. We had ordered ordered a meal. And then we're leading to talk to you. Should we must have very friendly. I think we have that just friendly like warm and fuzzy like Hey WanNa talk to you reproachable. Well remember she. He suffered from food allergy. Like why are you your respiratory ailments and so the food that we ordered was going to have smoking so they asked us to not deliver without. Why would that's so weird? That was kind of bizarre for us. We'll just say hey. We heard what you ordered but would it be. Okay if you not eat that or uh-huh because I have a hard time breathing but you know what we return because we are good people we see Molly Ringwald. Yeah it was fine but it was funny. So yeah yeah so we get there and we're you know superstock and of course. I think you had to run back to the car or you know. I'm not gonNA bring the CBO to bring the jacket jacket. Yes the CDs. CD's like okay. That's cool so we get in. We look around. We realize that we're the youngest people. There woke issue songs the great great American Songbook Jazz. Yes so and we're we're a good decent age so imagine the age bracket that was there and we looked at each other. And we're like clearly they are not here to see molly so we get to our seats and and you know. The show's about to start. Erica had to sit next to couple that I don't know if they were like lovers or hadn't seen each other firm term like months but they needed to get a room. Yeah uncomfortable very touchy feely. I don't know maybe she was excited about Molly Ringwald. It was really creepy. I like sitting there and like your arms wrapped around you know a lot of PDA. Yeah he was pretty bad and care but whatever and I was like Okay Molly Rauch be quiet so she goes on stage and we listened to our. He had like a goal survey the dress. Sweet since we've seen her you know she. She looked good. She explained that you know her. Dad was a jazz singer in this kind of how she got into the music and stuff. So you know we we suffered through the show and We were we we played we played along and then the very end she grabs her stool gets very serious. And she's like so for my last song. I did a little remake from a very dear friend of mine John Hughes and we looked at each other and we knew exactly that she was going to say and we were like screaming. We start. We were at early did find jobe concert and embarrassing and these people behind we can here. We're like clearly they're from different decades and really we love you. Yes Oh yes. So she sings. Don't you forget about me. It was okay. It wasn't skill one to ten different. I would give it a seven. Maybe generous advises adviser seven. Oh really so we got you WanNa jump up there though. I would have to take him to she. Oh Ankle Gogo so very. And she's saying we clapped and applauded and stood stood up and stuff. And she's like so I'll be out in the lobby signing autographs for like this is their moment so we were pushing through old people with walkers wheelchairs and handicap canes and stuff in the hall of like the line was already long. Do you even know what you're here for. Like they had no clue so we were mingling and reciting like different scenes from movies and all that stuff and like we're like we knew her and all of a sudden one of the ushers came out and said Excuse me ladies Dahmane. We just want to let you know that Miss Ringwald would not be signing any autographs Any memorable other than the CD. That is no longer available so people were leaving and there pouting and I'm like well she's right now she's my ride and I'm saying here so so and then Erica pulls out her. She's like well. I I really truly think this is what happened. I think they had fit like very controlled situation. They had fifty copies of that US. CD and ages took like the first fifty people. That's who they wanted and they wanted you to pay like a ton of money right wasn't it like maybe two people in front Novostei bought like the last cd right and so everyone started the line and then I pulled out by version and I'm like rubbing it in my face I bought this on Amazon is is like well. I guess you can stay but like you said he was through a rules. You could certainly. Yeah until they're like no cell fees no pictures. There's and we're like screw that we're going to figure out how to picture this remodeled so this creepy guy behind us was like I'll help you out with that like Okay and he worked for the so yes so he he. We're like okay so the close we got. We're still taking pictures. Who Cares? We got a couple of good pictures and then we he was behind this. We turn around real quick. How did a quick quick shots? We got a picture. Sure so this comes the best part. This is my favorite part and we and I've never in my life ever run into a star. You're actually like I don't well no I I guess just like Tigers Baseball like Alan Trammell or something like an actual movie star so I'm like we got a whole thing in our head and then all of a sudden there's Erica and she's sitting there looking at us like you guys are the weirdest women Muslim pathetic thing and like the security guard behind was cracking up like he was gonNA train he was he was just like Oh I feel sorry for you and we were like the last one. Yeah and Eric. I mean she was getting. It was almost like the little rally from Christmas story talking about to the Santa Claus like original revival. And he's like so molly's just like okay so and then all of a sudden like Erica. Got Got what she wanted to get out. And then she's like and this is my and I'm like big Fan Fan and then we were scooped away to the car was all ab could say or actually you know what kind of put your hand out. You're like big fan and the next. Actually you know we were gonNA. Yeah and we're going to take her out for we we're going to do and we would have bought the drink like we assume guy's got money so we walked out of the market and in the parking lot and we were laughing hysterically almost like almost got WTO happened. I this just happened this really. Yeah so you know. Our our family had heard the story like laughing is and Erica even Bob earrings with little molly ringwald. Yeah and your birthday card this year. So we the soap the soap and the candle done. Yeah Oh yeah. He's going to church with me. No that was J.. J. Anyway. So yeah that's that's how we kind of got and and then from the non. It was just like history so we we realized that we played while together and played off each other. And you know from time to time you know we would do videos John facebook and go live and stuff and we were. We've been told by many people like he has to do something about your your act like okay. We can do this. So so. That's our friendship story but You know kind of going around with that just looking back like how do you become friends with people and Not just you know as kids but like adults and and as MOMS I think it's really challenging because you're under a lot of pressure pressure you know you've got being perfect mom and then you've got people judging you and you know you've got kids that are gonNA have meltdowns and McDonald's and their kids sitting there eating their chicken nuggets like he's a superhero only route relief and you have no idea that they could be the one time that title true. You just don't know that that is very very real and people don't just don't that's okay so yeah so we were talking about like a cow. We met friends like as kids and I myself have had my best friend. I've known since preschool and we'll tell you how many years that's been but like ten. Yeah and you know. There's there's the memories of that but you know what I and we weren't like an everyday friend and like hung out every single moment but we throughout our grade school years we would intermingle and stuff and sleepovers some whatnot but I do recall like moving down the street from her When we were starting junior high and she called me just decided the blue and said hey you wanna come hang out and the rest was history like that was cool while we use the phone? There was some texting extinct that that horror that look of horror of you want me to call somebody right and actually have a communication to come out of my mouth. Yeah how do I make this happen. And Yeah and and to this day we are best friends and she lives behind me now so like. That's kind of cool. So what's your story. Well I we have For those that don't me actually short conflict five one. So could you imagine in first grade like how tall I was and go. Yeah I was really short art so I just remember. My young girl came to me and said Hey. What are you doing here cheese? You know her name's Elaine. She's much taller than I was at anybody's much color. You know but it was kind of funny and I said what do you mean. What am I doing here? I'm in first grade and my teacher is whomever and and she said. You can't be in first grade you know you're too short. I said No. I'm here to be in first grade. And then she says I want to have a running race with you I said Oh okay. She's like I want to raise to that fence interview wind and you're in first grade which I thought if I didn't win I'm still in first grade so I actually it was. I look back about that so I went ahead. We ran the race. Why one and then she just turned around and she shook my hand like six years old? She's like hi. My Name's Elaine. I'm your new best friend. And then that was it so we were inseparable. I would say and she actually didn't live too far away from me and our siblings were friends as well which we didn't even know that and what was kind of Nice though is is we had like different sets of friends right so sometimes you know she would go hang out with her friends. I would go hang out with my other friends and we never. There was never an issue. We never ever got jealous or no one ever got upset so it was interesting friendship and then now I'm fifty years old old. Were still good friends. Do I see her Aladdin. No do we talk on the phone a few times a year. Yes but I mean. That's you know we have bad news. Riva good news to share. She's one of the you know she's on my top five list to Khattak right. So that's what I like and I hope that my kids have that right I know my daughter. Suzie has a good friend since first grade and and also my son Nathan has a really good friends since first grade and you know he's in college now and Thank you know. They're not even the same but they talk all the time and and so. I'm hoping that that will be the same for them as well right but I just think that nowadays nowadays now know how you think about it is. I think it's easy for kids to make friends but it's harder to maintain them right especially with social media I think social media is just. It's it's it's crazy. Yeah and realizing that working parents you know fulltime jobs and including leading like during the summer. I know that's very very challenging for me. And that's part of my mom guilt that I can't be home during the summer. Sure for the kids to hang out and do sleepovers and just you know enjoy their summer. and location. You know a lot of my kids. Friends don't live in the area. We don't just live down the street like I grew up. You know and it's Kinda hard to to plan stuff but we do our best. We try but you know I think the kids have a nice core group of friends all of them I do and and it's interesting with my girls that they don't WanNa be the same but they their circle of friends end up being the same so I think think think that's kind of a cool bonus for them so I have to I have to agree with that. And it makes it easier for you to transport or take the places you're like. Oh good one house. Let's go oh so there. I never sell them the full package. Those kind of instances are Nice Park. So yeah it's it's interesting. Have you ever had issues with that with the full package. Yes absolutely so yeah. One of the girls have gotten invited to a birthday party. And this is like first or second grade and saw getting to know each other it takes a while to a couple years of sure. Sure errands and stuff and you know we got invited in. And it was mentioned mentioned in a couple of days. Go By and no imitation no imitation. Finally I asked her and Mike Meg. Where's your station? She's like oh I got uninvited like. Why did you get invited Husayn puzzle? She's like well the mount just kind of thought that you were going to bring all three of us and she didn't want that so she told her daughter to tell me I am not invited. I'm like what so you know I I. We talked and she was fine with it. She wasn't hurt or anything they weren't really good friends. Sure but you you know I I. You know teared up a little when she wasn't looking and stuff and I was kind of consulting my mom because when you go to exactly yeah your mom. And she's like you know. Just let that slide ride for now but if it ever happened again you'll have to approach this mom so I guess I lucked out because they moved to California so oh okay but I always felt it was necessary to let parents parents known. I didn't think this was really fair but like I felt like I had to advertise like they're not a full package You know and and that's you know there's that's it's part of being a multiple impair multiples. I guess but Kinda stunk but I do have a funny friendship story which is hysterical. And I and I use this for my kids because it actually did happen to Jillian one year Before freshman year started we had a new neighbor. New Family move in and the MOM. The MOM met my mom at a garage sale and said Oh. I've got a daughter that starting freshman year to let me have L. introduce you to any and Lucian so three girls together. It's kind of difficult. It's an uneven number. Sure and that can go wrong very quickly. So unfortunately that summer was kind of rough and this girl just kind of created a little little rift between Louisiana and so school starts and we're still friends and we became lacquer partners and Jim saw Michael. Let's go you know introduced your everybody we can think of and you know being a Newbie issue that she was and then to school the same school since first grade so one day her her she moved out. Don My locker. Oh Lucia moved out only other girl. I'm sorry the Newbie. And is what what's going on one. And she goes. Oh we're good now and I'm like what he means shows. We don't need to be friends anymore. Like what are you talking about she was. I found my network work. I'm like what the hell really to my face. I'm sure nowadays just blowed up. Yeah who does that and then and from then on for years never spoke a word to me album. Yeah I make it a point when I do come across. See Her I make points say hi to her a little hog. Oh well they keep them closer. You know exactly but you know so. It's always a good example. I do like that story. Sorry 'cause I survived. Oh sure sure well you know. It's funny because when you talk about our friends now and and I'm sorry but our kids now and their friendships you know does kind of like you mentioned kind of bricks. You heard a little bit when you say actually you know what I remember. I'm sorry my niece told me a a story about. She thought she was friends with all these people and then over the weekend they would be posting stuff on facebook. All we went to this party go to this girl's house right. Hit A sleepover and and she was never invited but yet at school everyone's talking everyone's getting along but as soon as school was over it was like like a total different picture. And you know my heart. You know felt bad for her. Because how do you manage something like that or you know. What did I do wrong? Or why are the kids like this and and and then it's like well. What type of advice do you offer or is it better just to leave it on you? Now just leave it alone and hopefully you'll make new friends and I do believe she moved on actually left the school because it was just too complicated terrible. It is Kinda sad but I remember And they're probably GONNA kill me for bringing this up but that's okay but I remember when I was it's probably about fifteen. Maybe sixteen years old. I was visiting with some friends and again I lived in a community where my school was like four blocks down. Everybody wants a school everyone. No one ever drove you. I don't think in all the twelve years my parents ever drove me to school. But you always hung out with your friends so I remember for one summer. I was at my friend's house and we're all sitting there talking and then I kind of noticed something. I thought. Well this is kind of weird but there was like a bag of Taffy from Cedar Point Anytime you go to Cedar Point you always buy like salt water taffy and I thought wow one. Did she go to Cedar Point. We'll come to find out they. They all went and did not invite and so you know what I mean fifty years old now truly I am over it. I've just what I'm saying is when I hear kids talk about feeling like they're feeling left out I'm like oh I can totally relate to that moment has It was really kind of sad and Dan. I found out in front of all of them so I hit to actually deal with it in front of them like naked emotional and and That was that was. It was hard word for going home. And I'm thinking what's wrong with me. They didn't even ask me if I wanted to go. And and so yeah so that was kind of crazy but I will tell you I think I'm not saying we're old but MOMS are age. I think is difficult for them sometimes to find new friends absolutely. You know some of the stuff that I I was reading about when we kind of discussed this topic was definitely get involved. Your Kid's school which you know times that can be hard. I understand that because a a lot of people work fulltime. You and I may fulltime and even the stay at home moms. I mean they might stay at home but they also have other duties and some people have like small businesses at running and so forth so it is hard to do that but you know what I thought was really interesting is there actually is apps out there to help you make a friend. I think that's weird weird. I just think that's really weird. I describe it just a little bit different dating but you're not actually looking for You know a girlfriend boyfriend. Whatever you're looking for a friend so I'm going to tell you about a couple of things that I found Shan the correct me up so the first one and these are all legit? I double checked. You could go on your attitudes account or whatever however you can actually You know download these for. There's one called next door and it's actually an APP where you tying Ryan to your neighborhood. And it's very private and assists social network. That just has a deal with your neighborhood that you live in and you know how they sell it they say oh. This is a great APP to like. Ask Your neighbors. Hey can I bro. You're snowblower You'll have to use a saw for this project. Is Anyone in my neighborhood have saw that I can borrow and those kind of crazy and also if you're looking for recommendations and how many times do you see online. Oh I need a roofer or hey I need a new looped Tricia and you know what do you suggest so. This is like an APP. That will let you do that. Like gone are the days just knocking on the door making brownies and just say hi. I'm you know we see your new here you. Yeah exactly just tell you a funny story about sure our neighbor when they saw all your kids they ran with Nick and and he was he was a baby so we just moved back from. Michigan are to Michigan. We're in Georgia for a couple of years. And I was excited. I was in the neighborhood that I always wanted to move into It was close to school because my parents and like literally three blocks away and so next door neighbor had a child Mico cool thinking my had like we'll have these binding moment exactly so her appearance was really not my appear like like she. She didn't look up of our neighborhood. But at and then you know so we talked a little bit and Her husband was much much older older and Which added we and few days go by and it was like eight o'clock at nights and we got a call and it was Her sister which I still don't know how she called her house and they needed a ride somewhere so my husband being nice like sure. I'll come and get you so so he leaves and there's a knock on the door a couple minutes later in. It's my next door neighbor. And it was her and she's like I'm locked out of my house. Can I come in and use your phone like sure. No problem baby sleeping and But my husband went to go get you and your sister the details so she used the phone she sits down. We start chatting like okay. I'll be friendly news talk and looks where he from and she's like Oh from Detroit and like Oh and the streets. She was talking about kind of founded familiar. Like oh mom grew up around that area and Some of what did you do for a living. She's like I was a working girl. I said Oh I used to work. And she looked at me very straight and she's like oh I don't think it was. That kind of you work like the Catholic school girl was like so naive like oh no while. She married her John Next door. Oh history so we didn't really talk much after that and that was kind of my husband came home. What did you so that was our neighbourly neighbor? Didn't ask her for a cup of sugar. He not exchange much. No no Oh that's kind of funny so what's next. Yep Okay so there's a couple on here that I thought were kind of funny so here is another one in. It's called peanut. This is kind of interesting. Yeah I know you would think George Akina slow is actually the goal is they're focusing working moms and is basically it's to help moms feel isolated. They're not connected with others which I'm kind of thinking. Maybe those are maybe women in who have What do you call it depression gangs? I L Postpartum post-partum that can make you feel isolated and then or or maybe Maybe she was a stay at home. Mom Caring for a couple of young kids. Husband is gone all day working. And she's just like oh my gosh I need a break. I just feel like I'm so disconnected to the real world. Okay I got kids I. I wasn't working I ten years I was. I was lucky enough to stay home and Yeah I I didn't have a lot of friends that had kids at that age. You know I wasn't young mom. Did you join mops mothers of preschoolers. Awesome group but I I do remember talking to my mom and I was in tears. And she's like why are you crying. I'm like Steve's go to college I'm blue's clues and she's like you need a million in France friends. If you're watching blue's clues `isolation yes. Yes yeah but it's kind of interesting because they actually have a forums where you can and ask questions and share knowledge and and it's very similar to a dating APP meaning that you swipe left as you swiped right get along. Yeah the ashes. Yeah so yeah they do match based on your interest. I thought that was kind of NEAT thing. So this one okay. Now I do not have a dog I do not have a pet. I'm allergic to olive it. So I mean I find this humorous but at the same time for those that have dogs and an. RN need of a few friends. I guess I could understand this APP. But there's another APP called Bark. Happy isn't that kind of funny is says now you can find a new friend for both both you an Fido and it's actually a location based APP and it helps you connect with Nearby dogs and arranged hangouts with their owners. Don't have like dog parks. Well I mean again. They probably want to match you. You know what are your similar similar interests. Don's get together to yeah. I guess Yes for future for future doggy dates. Check out the map. And how do you know the dog's going they just I. I don't know it's it's kind of like dating in real life with this guy and I'll let you go on a date or two if it's GonNa work out with a dog you kind of know like pretty quickly I would think so. I've never had a dog either. We've had cats and I can tell you that my cat Jack Sun a huge fan of my husband. We were dating dating. Oh no excuse. kind of he was probably a man at one point reincarnated Alice. Sure Sherron. We would no hubby and I were on the couch watching a movie and there would be the Jack Setting in between us and like staring at him like she's mine so you tolerated him. Well when I had met Brian He had just moved out and he had just moved out like maybe two or three months and so within a month of him moving out he went ahead and got a cat. Okay first of all. I'm allergic but okay. Whatever I can play this off and the cat's name was night? It was so neat. Yes it was Chan is it was nighttime and I yeah because it was all black cat so was oh I know very and the cat was just. It was not not very nice. It was not nice. Bite my toes and bite my fingers and I'm like Oh my gosh is sticking cat but I mean eventually you know I think the cat which is very it was really good. I don't appreciate them. I thought that was really good. So all right so this This bar Capi WanNa say it does set up doggie dates for you. Definitely provides a map with dog friendly businesses staying so if he wanted to meet up at the bakery. There's one I think in Plymouth seriously and because it's right across from like this toy store is a woman walked by to check on the toy store. There's all these dogs the dog bakery. And it's kind of like a treat kind of like some people and there's no judgment trust me but some people will take their pets to Komo. PETCO yes yeah interesting. Yeah so that is crazy. Live in a all I know and and I sound like an old lady. Just my kids make fun of me. 'cause I I don't get it I try to understand it. I don't want throw judgment out but I'm just like please give me the definition. Yeah it is kind of a kind difficult to understand as though did you talk to slow. Yeah we tax. No denoted you talk doc to somebody like no. We're we're good the snap chats. I don't get like every second. My one daughter is taking place. What do you do a ceiling is the they oughta they know where you're at you know? It's interestingly they know every second of your day but I do think though that My nineteen year old. I actually found him on the phone over Christmas. Break Mike. You're actually talking to somebody. And he's like yeah so I don't know if that if it changes as they get older but I was kind of and it wasn't a play a video game. They're actually having a real conversation. Yeah because it's you ever And I'm I'm sure you have but you tell especially okay you my fourteen year old that she's got a call. Somebody just totally free pack. What am I gonNA say? What do you want to do and and do fine to someone? Yeah that's and then. Sometimes they'll say do not know how to dial the phone. Is that what the problem is mom. Of course I can dial the phone right. You're asking me to talk to them and I'm like yeah. It's really not that hard you just ask. And you're all set so yeah. I think that is kind of interesting. And I'm hoping it's a phase that they grow out of it. I kinda see that my son is kind of growing out of it. A little bit But I just wish that when it comes to friendships and I know their kids and none of them are perfect. Perfect yours are perfect. I totally get that. But I just wish they would realize like they could sometimes make people's life miserable miserable by say not inviting them or absolutely. especially if you're sharing it over social media and it's my thing is you know. Put yourself in that person's place because you you wouldn't WanNa feel that crummy so why would you let someone else feel that crummy right. This was kind of sad to me. Yeah I think come to agreeance on that one. Yeah most definitely the most definitely but I did find A quote I like quotes and one of them I will both were actually pretty Pretty what we're talking about like you know. Ironically the people you meet by accident often the ones that become the most important part of your life. Yeah and I would say that ninety percent of the people in my life my friends. I think that's yeah. I didn't choose a little book club like I had no. Oh clue I would ever be friends with any of those ladies and my super happy absolutely and I think we all come from different backgrounds and you know that that works out wonderful. Well you know what I like about that. Is that little facebook group that are not what is a facebook group but that little book Group is that really only read books. We read maybe one and a half books. If you think I lied. I wasn't the first book that we read. Wasn't it on one of those fifty shades or no cover. I only have one. And you're you're like the queen of it but no one's really nice about that group is we are all very diverse are their growth. meaning that again. Our friends our kids. All don't hang out with you know and we're also supportive everybody in different ages most definitely. Yeah Nicole and yeah. Our interests are different. But Yeah we're very supportive and it just seems like We even have attacks x four of us. We have a group tax that we go to and it's really nice because even if you're just having a bad day and you just kind of want to shout it out to the world so so nice to be able to just tax our little group you don't even need a response. It's just a way of saying okay. I've said it it's out there and and it really allows you to be honest without judgment me. I mean sometimes there's judgment but only like injustice like really. Are you kidding me you know and so I find that kind of wandering keep it real we do we do you know well this was. This was good so I think our talk about friends. I mean that means the points we did I think we are. We're not the only ones that are in these situations and you know we we try to handle in with our friendships. Try to talk to each other about our kids situations to figure out what to stay to the very true so I think that helps and we hope you enjoyed listening to our our little antics and stories and think think about like how you met your friend and are you still friends with and if you haven't talked to your friend from elementary school or I would go ahead. Yeah I agree. Go Go ahead and give them the shout out and yeah don't wait for the reunion and and you never know because that person could be thinking about you too and doesn't even know where to start and if you don't know where to start to find that person I'm sure somebody especially on Social Media Nail Mail. That's a really good idea. Yeah little thinking of you who knows. Yeah Yep so. We hope you enjoyed it and you know we haven't I don't know. Do we need to give a little peek of our next topic. Yes so our next topic is going to be ready. Yeah okay. It's really exciting. We're GONNA talk about chores. I'm so excited. 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The Breakfast Club (1985)

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The Breakfast Club (1985)

"In this episode is brought to you by comcast since two thousand eleven comcast is connected more than four million students from low income families to the internet. Now they're launching more than one thousand wi fi connected lift in community centers nationwide to provide safe spaces to get online learn more at comcast dot com slash education. Everybody we're back with another prestigious movie This time we're talking about nineteen eighty five's of the breakfast club written and directed by john. Hughes quite prolific gentleman wrote and directed sixteen candles weird science fairs. Buehler's day off planes trains and automobiles uncle bach to name. Just a few wrote mr mom. National lampoon's vacation reggae and christmas versions thirty and pink home alone again just to name a few this. This man was prolific during his all too short life stars emilio estevez paul gleason anthony hall judd. Nelson molly ringwald ally sheedy. I have never seen this movie before in my life cheese until the last twenty hours and it was quite something to see. Jim maybe you can talk about your relationship with the film. And what did you thought of it. And then we can talk about mine. Yeah this movie. I love and it's weird because i was three years old when it came out so like you see this ten years later. Thirteen years later or whatever is a teenager in high school and you look at it and you say well does it. Does it hold up. Does it still relate to the kids who are in school today. And i found myself very much getting all of these characters and seeing myself in different parts of each of these characters and that was back when i was i was a young man and i saw this movie on tv. A whole bunch of times. I'm sure i can't remember specifically. But i know i had the dvd of this later. When i was in my early twenties. I you to lear. Yeah i mean this. Is this a classic movie. I loved this movie. it's not have you seen. Have you seen deleted scenes. Commentary like how into this movie. We're no. I haven't done any of that even though i'm sure that was on the dvd. I don't think i ever engaged in that. I was more like into the matrix share. When i was doing my dvd's for commentaries. But i've seen this movie probably six or seven times at at a minimum. And i don't know i feel like it's as relevant today as it is when it was made that the same pressure still exist on kids. The same sort of clicks are still around. That steph changes a little bit but not all that much yeah i. This is one of the big questions i have is. How much does this did. This movie reflect teenage culture. And how much did it shape. Because i never saw this movie i was. I mean and i see why. I see why my mom would be horrified. Have me watching teenagers. who are engaging pot-smoking and talking about being nymphomaniac and fucking they're using the f. Word and anti my fucking their therapists and you know getting cigars put out and it's a lot of heavy heavy stuff from but real stuff to you know. That's the thing. If i'd be watched as a teenager watches adult you can kind of realize the illness but also there's the magical realism. They talked about in one article. I read on this where it's like. It's a high. It's a high school life that no one. That's not authentic to anyone but also extremely authentic in you know like no one's gone to this detention where you're smoking dope and you're crawling through the ductwork of your schools and mayor engaging in one property then having a dance off in the middle of thing and makeovers and stuff but everyone knows a kid was one of these are types of kids or maybe a blend of it. But i i so i. I was forbidden to see this movie and also as a consequence of my cult upbringing. I found myself very detached from most nostalgic look set like teenage stuff. Like what had you know like my mom forbid me from seeing this by really had no desire to and even as a young man and on in my thirties like well. Why do i wanna go and look at a nostalgic thing for something that i just don't associate with. You know it's like this i. I can't really relate to any of this kind of behavior or any of these characters. Really but i guess i was wrong and the thing is the other thing is going into the first act of this movie. I'm like this is exactly what i thought it was going to be. An i kinda hate it. But once they dispute spence with like the naked stereotypes and like the hostility and they start to break down those barriers. And have these kind of more or less honest conversations or honest teenagers. I started liking the film more and more. I don't love this film. This is not what. I would call a great a great film. I don't know if ever watch it again. But i think it was definitely worth seeing because obviously it's a cultural touchstone I there's there's a bunch of memes and stuff from youth that make a lot more sense. Now that i've seen this and i i see why people like it. I do think like john hughes. Maybe missed a couple of things but the time and time again. When i was reading reviews as reading articles they talk about his gift for like teenage dialogue. And i think yes. That's why this movie works way. It does because when these teams when they're talking amongst each other it sounds like conversations that kids that the kids have a john hughes gifts teenagers in a way it's remarkable to because he's thirty five when he makes this movie yeah. I don't know that. I had the connection to my teenage years in the way that john hughes did when he was thirty five because like keep he just seems to. I don't know if this effortless or if he pines over the script and goes through with a fine tooth comb and brings in like flocks of teenagers to help him right the dialogue and craft the scenes or what but he seems to nail. This teenage angst. The teenage struggle. Like no other filmmaker seen and it's crazy to me how small this movie is and yet how engaging and how just write everything feels. He's having a movie here. Where ninety percent of it is just a conversation between kids and some of that conversation shitty. Some of that conversation is real and honest some of it is like you know puffing themselves up and making themselves reinforcing their image it all like keeps you engaged through this single setting film in a way that i you kinda. Don't expect like if you told somebody. Oh it's it's five. Teenagers stuck in detention over the weekend. And it's just them in the library talking for an hour and a half people like. I don't wanna watch that. It sounds boring and stupid. But he's got a way of just like making the watch effortless Actually dafur might not be the right word. Because i think there are a lot of challenging scenes in this movie and there's a lot of stuff that's of the time that doesn't play today. He drops hard bombs in some of these scenes. Not not fuck the other f f slurs context because like. I did The night before. I happen to go in the forums. And there's a threat on this people you know. They they this this new week on bald move as working. People are informed of what we're doing and they're talking about like they're they're excited about x. y. z. But then there's people saying that like you know how like white and hetero normative. It is and sometimes when i see like obviously i'm sympathetic to that kind of conversation but i'm like oh jeez but boy like the two minutes in this movie. It's not just the like you know the f slur. It's the context and the the death threat it punctuated with the new stuff goes along with it. That's why why now like this. And i'm thinking okay. What are all these kids in detention for. I'm thinking okay. Well player skip school. A andrew taped some kids buns together. And then i guess john johnny just committed a hate crime. The schools cool with the news combo. They'd they'd really like him pulling the alarm. Know that kids riled up but also it's time to you right. It's like that. Yes was a terrible thing to say. It's still terrible but kids set it all the fucking time. And that's the thing that makes this. These feels so authentic real like it's it's challenging. It's it's shitty. it's awful. It's like i said borderline hate crime but it's also real and get to that a lot of times in this movie. Where like johnny is. I think what he thinks he's doing is flirting. Or asserting dominance over clare and getting her to like him and there's this whole relationship is icky the entire time and there's some really nasty sexual stuff in here between the two of them that you would never want to see a kid do but kids do this shit all the time. Yeah because especially in the where. I grew up where sex education was not very great. It's just nowadays. That people are talking about like physical boundaries and consent. And you know that's part of like the sex education in my son went through in the in the late two thousands of the twenty tunes the like. Yeah like there's a lot of but but it also felt authentic because there's all kinds of gross relationships that i remember going on and high school and you know like yeah grown up in eighties nineties. This is the way kids talked on. The news was a bit much. it's still Like i i think that using those kind of slurs is not really accepted even amongst high school kids today but length. The kids like johnny. They don't give a fuck still drew because they don't care about being offensive wider fuck. They're getting cigars but atom them home So i that was and as far as the like the the whiteness of the movie. I looked up. John hughes because i was just curious. First of all is is refreshing to see dude. Seems like he's a self made man you know. His mom was a volunteer. His dad worked in sales born in lansing michigan grip. In grosse pointe michigan demographics in two thousand and ten ninety seven point percent white. Yeah there's no fucking way. This guy is going to write any kind of thick black or any other race character in the middle of the eighties. And if he did if like the studios like you know what john We need you to write a minority in their. it'd be a token character Obviously if he did it in twenty. Twenty one there'd probably be a whole diverse cast. But like i. I kinda like mo was sooner because i didn't know anything about john us and i thought well maybe grew up in beverly hills or like a pretty you know or some other like diverse california neighborhood that you know He should have known better and he just decided not to. But as far as i can tell you know he's just a guy that wrote descript in his late twenties based on his personal experiences and his memories of high school and his heightened magical realism stuff so like all that stuff made sense. News not agree. Look but yeah and the other thing is like oh man opening again. The opening five minutes. This movie did not do much to endear itself to it. Opens scher with this self serious. Like this quote. That's ludicrously like in from like a teenage point of view. And i'm like what the fuck is this from. And i get to the bottom and david bowie lyric. Yeah and just i'm processing. How fucking crazy this is it explodes. What am i. what am i watched in. The movie does not maintain like it's like the beginning and end this movie where you got the the. The brian character played by anthony. Michael hall given this like very serious dead poet's society book report about the authority in the man and how you see us in the cartons you put us in a guess what we mixed are two percent and our chocolate milk and our skin and we're all one carton now like it's it doesn't belong to this movie but it's also the kind of thing that i guess like a fifteen or sixteen year old. Be like fuck yeah. They're watching it. John does this right. I mean look at ferris. Buehler's day off. It's basically that the entire movie just spaced out a little sore. The other thing. I we getting it to lexus. Spoiler takes here in a minute but like is also impressed by the performances. You know these are this. This is a a young. It's very talented cast. Like i don't think this is anyone of these people's first rodeo alley sheedy's and gains. We just live watch static couple of months ago of as it done a lot of stuff. Anthony michael hall had just been in sixteen candle with molly ringwald. I think judd nelson hadn't done as much stuff like a lot of people returned the young cast but very talented. And that's the other thing like they were given great teenage dialogue. They're fairly authentic. Young people delivering it gave performances. That don't seem like it's beyond their years. Which is something you can of slip into. And i think some of the that's some of the like the two thousands teenage comedies kind of are written from a more adult perspective. And they lose that but i was really really impressed with with that too Yeah it's the worst character. Well i mean it's it's a great character is just he's the shittiest character but the person i'm most impressed with as in this movie is judd nelson. He's an absolutely despicable person through the majority of this movie but he plays it so well like i've known kids like this. Who are to just ship bag instigators. Right they wanna get under everyone's skin and for whatever reason whether it's their father putting out cigarettes or cigars on their arm or the parents ignoring them them being poor and made fun of or something like millions of reasons but i know these kids are knew these kids a and his performance on this just felt so real and it's he's such shit back. Yeah and that's the thing it's like. It's the you're right i i i know kids like this to there's different types like just the class clown in is the ones that are kind of like the you know antisocial shit instigators like you're talking about And they probably all have stories some of this like i. I can't say that i've ever known one. That didn't have some kind of tragic back story that makes a lot of sense You know when when when you think about it Because yeah like if you know a lot of kids. And that's the thing like i. I felt this way is where i probably four or five close friends in high school but i had no chance man like my mom made me go in and like sit out watch towers and awakes on my desk. This is my territory and then the the what they told me is that that would earn me the admiration respect and admiration of both my peers and my teachers. But no it just makes it look a weirdo and can't associate these kids. You can't play a sport too can be in any that you can't even be. I couldn't even be the nerdy book club. I my son. And i are going through kind of a fascination with chest right now because of the queen's gambit and meet kind of talking about it and is like he's like well why didn't you keep up with it and i was thinking i remember clear the day i gave up on chest. That's when i knew. I couldn't join any chess club or i'm never gonna play anybody besides like my the my same one friend. Whips my ass because he's four or five years older than me. And like yeah like you. Kinda gate. Didn't like stir shit or instigate. But i just dropped out and give a fuck. I wanted to keep my grades up so my parents wouldn't hassle me but that's it And i also gave up academically. Because like i wanted to like i. Even i wasn't going to go to college. I wanna take all the college prep courses but like the guidance counselor steered. He's like well. It's a waste of time. You're you're taking up a slot. Another kid that might go to college would take so like. You can't take physics. And i'm like well then that's going to take. She is christ so as a result. I'd like to double triple study halls and i graduated midterm because as soon as the fighter study option. I'd be there guys. Like my dad i tried. I tried to put like. I had my junior year. I think i showed up at school. And i went to sleep and i didn't wake up into lunch and then i finished out the rest of the by afternoon. Can you imagine how good. I would have been a paper football if i had had four. Study home a kit. Oh my god or if they let you smoke dope taking all corners. Yeah but like. I get it like. There's all different ways to drop out. And i guess that's one of the questions i wanna ask. Well let's get. Let's get to the spoiler section. I'm going to describe the movie if you are like me. And you're the one percent hasn't seen it. I'm going to describe it and then we'll take a we'll take a quick commercial break so this movie is about one saturday afternoon in some illinois suburban high school where five kids are in all day detention from seven o'clock to buy three o'clock afternoon maybe four o'clock afternoon. They're not allowed to talk not allowed to move the not allowed to get up. This is a joke. They do all these things. They are supposed to write thousand word essay on who they think they are. And i think it's i think it's supposed to delivered in the who do you think you are. You know kind of like tone of voice by this asshole assistant principal that we're gonna talk about And these you've got there all representative of the different kind of suburban. I'm not going to. I don't know what the rural kids experience were Telugu mooresville was pretty rural school. Set up where he had yet jocks. You had to nerds. You had the preps you had the burnouts week they are called hoods in my school and then you had the kind of weirdoes misfits. Which i guess. I was in that category. And they all hate each other and they're all very self segregated and eventually through conversations that breaks down and have new stations understanding for each other and find out that they have much more in common than they have apart. Which is the story of all people. Ever righty sit down on her forced to talk to each other. 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That i don't really identify with and those two are johnny and sportivo andrew the wrestler because it's emilio and judd to me. I had a hard time where these kids names in one in one go. I identify a lot with the nerd. Identify a lot with the weirdo for the same reasons you do because being a growing up. It's it's hard to pretend like. There's any normal there especially when you get asked to hang out after school or you'd asked to dances or you'd ask to any kind of joined club. Whatever and you gotta say no. People wonder like what why the hell why not. Some of them probably took it personally. You know like he'd someone asks you and you're just like can't they're like. Oh oh you can't or you don't want to and you got to get to impossible choices you can say. Well it's because of my weirdo religious beliefs. That i'm going to not even get in thirty seconds into explaining before you're board or right right the ever popular. My parents won't let me which makes you seem extremely lame. Yeah the the other. The other people identify with our ally sheedy. Because i was a obviously a weirdo. And i was a bit of an attention seeker to not quite a class clown but like borderline that but now for the same reasons right like my home. Life was very good sign. I had really no complaints. And i'm also much nerd. I was into computers. And i was into magic the gathering and video games. I was a big nerd throughout school. And then i also identify with clare a little bit because i i have this crazy real names. Jim jones right and everybody knew my name. Even if they didn't know me they were like. Oh you're that. I literally had people coming up to me in school and going. Hey you're that jim jones guy aren't you. I'm like yeah okay by people. I was somehow like popular. Because i had a weird name and like i hung out with like kind of all the groups of kids so i wasn't really like stereotyped into one group. I did end up hanging out with like the weirdos and the the sort of loaner types lot more than the popular kid just because you're gonna hang out popular kids you gotta do popular kid. Things and i wasn't allowed to do popular kid things. So i would hang out with the weirdos at school so but you were like cool. In every of the various hoods in school. I i had. I can only remember one kid. That actively disliked me and i actively disliked him. He was that judd nelson. Like being an asshole for an asshole sake kind of kid but yeah i very much got along with most. I was nine people nine percent of people that i interact with in school right on. I i kind of feel the same way you i. I felt like. I identified a lot with brian. Anthony michael hall like nerd. Because i you know. I liked learning and i was very Academically focused tried to do as best. I could and also the ally sheedy the weirdo doing art and doing do net doing weird stuff for the sake of being weird. Although i don't know about that it's just like all the stuff is into like star trek comic books like you said that the nerd shit That stuff was really fascinating to me and like all the kind of mainstream also like debiting. Like i didn't listen to mainstream music as my parents didn't and i wasn't allowed to listen to rap or medal or anything like that so like all my taste. Musical tastes were were stunted. I wasn't allowed to watch most popular tv shows or wasn't allowed to watch rated r movies all my peers worse. What's like i defy wasn't all my parents radar weird fantasy science fiction comic books stuff. I was able to indulge in right right But yeah i. I thought like i really understood them. And like you said like i. Yeah like all this stuff. was very relate because i knew a kid as i was watching his every single. One like When anthony michael hall can can fi- confides. He was going to get an f. In shop class because it turns out. He's not so good in shop really reminded me there was Like this scandal in my junior high school where the girl who was the valedictorian at the time gotta see in gym class and knocked her off or four point oh and she had a fucking meltdown over it. You know yeah. Because she couldn't do whatever the minimum physical things you did get like. He was locked. It wasn't about. It's weird like all pass fail wasn't about like how much improvement came into gym class. Not being able to push up and you close the semester. Beal do three. Hey i was pretty fucked. That's brad so that's a huge improvement. But if you can't do twenty then earn you know so baby. Yeah yeah i was like. I still think that gym teachers at giant prick for that. I mean jesus christ but anyway like of these kids like yep. I can see that you have accepted the jock thing. I guess that's the one thing where like when when emilio estevez talked about yes i saw this week or smaller kid and got beat the shit out of him on a glued his ass cheeks together. And how do you even apologize for that. Might i don't know man. I don't know you just assaulted a guy you just you just sexually. You sexually assaulted a guy. I know your your dad's like really hard on you and wants you to excel. But like i i. I was having a hard time still like maybe i need to watch a couple more times but i felt like i had a hard time getting into his head like when everybody else had the sob story. I kind of understood it. But his is like yeah. Yeah i mean callaway. Kids do stupid shit under cheering yawn. I think that's one of the more effective scenes in the entire movie his his speech that he is there about just like you know he. He put himself in the place of the other kid that he was terrorizing and he realizes that should he plays to be in and then he had put them there and then he i think he wants to apologize the kid but he doesn't he doesn't know how because it's such an egregious thing. Did to the kid so. I really liked that scene. Yeah because it is effective scene. It's just like i found a. It's one thing i just couldn't identify with because i felt like the kids. That did that kind of stuff. Never had that like so ever. Maybe they did later on. Yeah they they you know. It's it's one of those things where it's like having that felt like more insight than that type of kid shirt would have. But i don't know. Maybe i'm maybe i'm being too hard on the psychotic jocks high school I really liked how the movie began with like. It does a great job of painting pictures of these kids just by like the drop off. Yes the disturned father dropping. The jock often say. And you're gonna screw up your full boat ride the princess. That's dad's like oh honey. It's okay here's a you can go shopping. And it's just a one day and she's getting dropped off in a bmw judd nelson. His his parents don't even know he's got detention. He does walking himself to school alley. She has dropped off and his weird crew. Deville drag car. I don't know what the hell that thing to just yet in the door she gets out. Drive off yeah. Like i thought it was a great way to kind of and then like the first couple minutes. Like how you can tell judd. Nelson's old anthony. He knows how it all works. Molly ringwald things that. Hey i could just say i don't look at me. I don't belong here and principles be like. Oh of course princess. Of course you should go home like all these like ways that they effortlessly established the archetypes of these These kids and i wonder if like if you're supposed to as a teenager identify with one right away and then like take their cy like is like how proud of this movie at pudding if you're a sixteen year old and that goes back to my question of. How much did this movie reflect teenage life and how much of it did it shape because it probably does both right. I think so. Because i went to high school in from ninety two. You know from ninety one to ninety five and like it was fucking like all everyone try felt. Like in retrospect try to fit in these five types who at t bike dress grooming. All i mean obviously. The fashion changes a little bit but like in his ad because the kids kind of self sort themselves or is it. I don't know like i think of back. I don't know. I didn't go to school in the fifties or anything like that but i felt like me. Things were a little bit more homogeneous back than In terms of like you definitely had. I think greece you had two types of kids you had a regular dudes and like the sports people and then the irs right data and we continue to fracture into the different weird. I don't know maybe i'm wrong. Accurate how accurately reflects The time period because obviously didn't go to school in the eighties so yeah or at least high school in the eighty s. So i don't know. I imagine it's a little bit of both like it hit on something very intrinsic to the teenage experience which is trying to figure out who you are and naturally as as kids you know. Try to figure that out or to figure that out. They soared into these groups with others. Who are a lot like them. Does things develop into clicks right. I always wonder if it's happened recently. I wonder if it's getting better. Because i know that has been you know Since last year's a lot more attention paid on Actually paying attention to some the worst behaviors. Because like when i went to high school i felt like the system itself. Like there's something about this car. Surreal experience of high school. Where it's like it's very institutional you gotta go. There's like the like the snitch culture like even earlier in the film where like judd nelson is being his unrepentant unwashed asshole and everyone hates him but when the teacher comes in authority figure. It's like they're not to what they're gonna do to on a rat on him no even though they might get punished. That's like that's like you know. Stitches get stitches. Like that's literally. If you don't if you need to get the lesson some won't be happy to beat it into felted The teachers kind of look the other way like they surely new kind of like the way this guy like he would come out if something was exploding but like you know otherwise. They wasn't their job banned. I feel like nowadays teachers administrators. Pay more attention to helping kids resolve conflicts and helping people understand differences and stuff and i know it varies differently from school to school place to place share. But i wonder if we're doing better. I'll guess i'll find out soon because my son will be starting high school this year. Yeah i was gonna say. I don't have any inside entice cool nowadays especially since the last year and a half. He spent like home essentially schooled. Why it's going to be. It's going to be interesting to see how how things reflect. But yeah i wanna talk more about just how good. I think. Some of these these performances in characters are especially the judd nelson. One there are moments where like you can see. The johnny is like on the edge of ruining his entire life and he knows. I like fucking up so colossally and and you get the impression that he's doing this all because he wants to somehow impress his old man right. It's the same reason that sport is do in his shit in some ways. It's like well are you are. Are you being a bag. Because you're angry that your father is a shit bag to you or you're doing it because you wanna get some kind of respect from him And this is the way the you understand. Getting respect from other people as asserting dominance over them. Because that's what he's doing the entire movie whether it's you know confronting sport oh and just like talking shit to trying trying to give between him and clare during this movie like he clearly wants literally with clare yes. Sometimes he's literally between them clearly wants to get with clare and he sees it. Sport does got this better chance. Because he's you know who he is. And johnny who he is but like. There's some jealousy. There is some anger. But i get the impression they like as much a sport is trying to impress his dad. Janis also doing the same thing. But but maybe unknowingly. He hasn't really thought about why he's acting out. You don't get a ton of insight into his own life but there are moments where you see him like him in hanjour about to get into a fight right and he you know he gets pushed in johnny backs off and he's he's walking away and he's like yeah 'cause i'd kill you and they're thinking. Oh whatever do yeah barack a little bit whatever makes self look tough and then he whips out a knife and you're like oh shit no. This kid is hit his limit where he knows that if he takes one more step he's probably going to jail. He's probably like really fucking up and destroying whatever future. He might even hope that he has right. It's kind of shocking and sad in a way. Because that's the thing is like i. I can't relate to just giving up. Because i was my my mantra. My teenage jesus. Just gotta get gotta get to be an adult. I gotta get the fuck out of this house. I can down in gotta get fucking job so i can start living like i felt like my whole life was on hold. I wasn't live doing any things. I i was doing as much as i could along the margins of my life because like cheese get but like i feel like a guy like johnny. I don't know maybe. His dad's stint in prison. That's going on his family. He's obviously copying a of patterns. He's been taught in life and like you know very stiffen defensive himself unlike i yes he afraid to go to jail. He's is dream does even have dreams or is it just kind of like i think his dream is just to avoid the worst possible outcome. Because if you look at like the vice principal when he locks him in the closet and he's like all right tough guy. Come me just take one swing. That's all i need. Who's gonna believe you. He backs down in that moment. Right and then. He backs down. He looks very scared. Like not scared away of like. I couldn't take this old man but scare away riley. If i do what. I think what my tendency is if i if i continue to follow this road there are real actual serious consequences ride. 'cause i think he's afraid of any of the kids in school because what can they do not what his dad does but like i think he is afraid of like fucking up his royally like getting in trouble with actual legal authorities things like that. That's just how i read it. And judd nelson such good job when he's dealing with the other kids he's he has limit so say whatever he'll do whatever and he'll fuck with them however but once he comes up against the big scary things the turning points in his life he does take a moment he pauses and he says okay. Maybe this is too much. Maybe i need to back off the throttle. I thought see. I thought it was just like Because this kid's like what sixteen years old and he's got a full grown man that's physically threatening him and like he. He's getting a lot of his dad energy and he's leg he's like regressing to like a scared. Little boy is what i thought. But you're i. I don't i'm not saying your interpretation is wrong energy. I got the he was like really shaken. Speak astle gym teacher while his other moves he. He challenged the young men. Like there's a contest some arm-wrestling was like let you know. Like yeah like i'll just like. Let's let's fuck in the locker room you're going you could give me shits like your. Let's throw down right now and the key you know. I never saw a kid. Take him up on. Legend had a few d did and he put on like i. I don't think me. And sometimes i think back stuff went on my high school. And it's so fucked. Okay you so yeah. Yeah and also like it never struck me as how odd that like forty five year. Old buddy cut falker is just openly challenging fifteen and sixteen year. Old boys like the ideas like a midlife crisis to me. I mean hauling off and beating a fifteen or sixteen year old is such a fuck in wild idea and this guy on Maybe he knew that it was all bluster and bluff and he could. He could get this guy into a headlock and physically restraining. If you had to i i don't know that was a pow. That was a that was a powerhouse scene. To which other thing. I kept on forgetting that i was watching. Like there's a couple scenes. I got so caught up in like the drama and like how good these kids were die for god. I was watching like this performance and also like. That's the other interesting thing. Like if this i said can i start comparing this to other movies. I had seen. Because i had seen a couple of teenage movies later on in life. I really enjoy like mean girls. I remember like in that a lot and what really strikes me is. The difference between like mean girls and this is that That written by tina fey really humanized teachers like they established a tina phase. I recently divorced She has to work a second job at the mall to like make ends meet when the kids make fun of her for it and leg. It's kind of a pleasant deal to be high schoolteacher. Where like this guy is bragging. How much money makes which. I did the math. And a he's like saying they essentially. I make eight thousand dollars a year. I'm this or that. I'm but like he's just a big and he's a villain and also and that's something that i think that the janitor of all people who is most bullied by the kids is like well. If you were a teenager how would you. How do you think you look. Yeah yeah and this this this guy being afraid of oh what these kids run the country and our what if i want to rely on them to take care of me and it's like well you kind of like that statistic fear of every abusive parents everywhere right and carry them. What makes you think they're gonna take care of you like and this is joe because like what you do when what you're doing with kids is clearly not working like do double down and keep doing the same thing that ridiculous scene where like. He's infinity grounding judd nelson. He's going to have the next eight yanks detention. And what's the odds at a guy. Like judd nelson is going to go keep like fly right and keep clean for eight weeks right and the thing is like this guy stuck here on a saturday with them right. He's miserable drinking coffee. That looks like motor oil tests. Sludge man. yeah. It's like. I but but again that's when i think back of my principals assistant principals gym teachers and stuff. They were a lot more like this than than I think. I i you know most kids deal without is probably why you know. We started humanizing. The teachers are popular media. But that was. I think i expected that there would be a scene. Like maybe we're the janitor in him get together and they would like humanize them both but nope the janitor now your piece of shit and no wonder these kids and then they dropped the vice principal for the rest of the movie until he picks up the letter that they right or say they right. Yeah something else from the from the vice principal because he he delivers us old tomato. Right like the next thing that happens. You're all whatever. These are cracking heads. Whatever that means in terms of vice principals. I wanted something else. It's maybe the only real complaint i have with. This movie is that it didn't feel satisfying from the vice principals involvement in the plot here. Yeah he goes and purves on the administrator files. violates a bunch of privacy. The janitor busted and hustles in for fifty dollars calls him a piece of shit and then the next time see him. He breezes in on an empty room were anthony. Michael hall wrote to sick ass. Fuck you man essay. And he's left to read it in silence as judd nelson pumping his fist. In after making time with molly ringwald on the football field. Never tells us if he got the point of the janitors conversation with him. It never tells us if the kids got one. Final one up on him or is there like in detention next week. Because he's like yeah. Fuck you try again. You don't get a win. i get the win. You know kinda yeah. That's the thing i think. This movie is very much. An open ended sort of thing. It's it's a big question mark at the end right like you have all these great highs for these kids but i think the thing that's ringing in my head at the end of this film is anthony. Michael hall's lines about will we talk. Are we still friends on monday. Like that is never resolved right. They talk to each other about it and they all say now we're probably not because x y and z. It's that peer pressure right. This movie is all about the pressures teenagers. It's peer pressure is pressure from authorities as pressure from your parents pressure moebius person when you don't even know who you are to excel in a certain when you know. Yeah all those pressures and then we don't really know at the end of this. Will they speak to each other. Come monday you know. They're they're kissing in the parking lot but that might call gone that just to get just to piss off daddy up in a bmw shirghara like what. Because that's yeah. Yeah what happens on monday when the pressure really gets applied ride that they will but they're just five people in a high school of five hundred and is he really going to stand up at a whole locker team like oh. You've you kissed a weirdo. Within slake you know shakes dandruff out of her hair. You knew then the molly when she gets with her. The the queen bees. They're going to be like. Oh my god you kiss j. He did you know he did this with that. Other girl and i it's yeah i don't know that's kind of It does i guess on multi i. I didn't think about that. But like yeah. It is kind of Melancholy a little bit of a melancholy member. The peer pressure in school is a mitts. And it doesn't just away because you want it to. It's still there and you can give into it. And you can preserve the clicks. You have and the friends you have on monday because all these people have friends except for ally sheedy for alison monday. They're going to be right back in their lives right. This is a this is a remove from their regular lives that allow them the space tax. Really get to know each other and and become friends. I think there's a very good chance that on monday. That all goes away when the peer pressure comes back in yeah. I highlight experience at that. Were like when i started working at sixteen I was put on a shift with a guy for my high school that we kinda hated each other and on the job like you know we'd start talking and everything was cool but like and i thought like oh. Hey maybe me. And chad will start getting along. No not back in the school halls. Highschool knows data. Fuck away from him. So yeah again. It's like these five people have breakthrough. But it's one of those things where it's like the famous christmas armistice in nineteen fourteen where the german and french and english soldiers declared trump's celebrate christmas in the trenches and then it never happened again. That could have been the beginning of like a breakout a piece. But it's not going to be so yeah. I somehow sad avoided like most of that in my high school or by school experience in general Because i hung out mostly like the weirdos and the nerds but also cool with everybody. So like i remember there being peer pressure but somehow it felt like those pressures didn't apply to me and i don't know if it's because i was the weirdo and nobody really game shit about what they thought but i never really gave a shit about what other people thought because you know. I was cool with the sports kids. I was cool with the popular kids. I was cool with the weirdos nerds so fast peer pressure but man it's intense it can be intensely. Yeah oh yeah There are. There's another kind of melancholy meditation Were they wonder about our. We going to be like our parents. And there's this leg not me and also unavoidable all rocked. We we've been shaped by these patterns. We've been shaped by these personalities. We're going ape these things. We'd like it or not. And i i as a forty as a mid forties. I feel like that. I don't know it's probably inescapable unless you work at it. Because i think i've got a lot of my parents strong qualities what. I've tried to cultivate and i've also been a couple of times where i've like. Oh jesus that was my dad and not too good part of him. Get or like. Oh my god that was my mom you know hectoring and being a critical and you know gay gins like if you you try different approaches especially as parents in in relationships and do you get no cycles. Where it's like trying to same thing again. And again he double down but like that's another thing Because i remember yeah growing up like. I'm my parents crazy as soon as i get my own house. I'm going to do everything opposite of them. And all that kind of you know but it's hard because that's what your pattern was. You have to really work at it every day. I see more of like my mom and dad coming out in me like i. I noticed like like he said i'll be doing something. I'll go shit. yeah. That's exactly what my dad would do in this scenario or whatever and plays into the conversation between the janitor dick vice principal who Is the tells them like the kids. Change you change because somewhere along the line like he changed right And that makes me me. Look at it and go like okay. Well what does that mean. If i changed from whatever i was in high school and became what my parents were when i was in high school. What caused that change. Who was i back in high school right. Why can't you just be the person you were. Then that the would have identified with these kids understood these kids right instead of giving them all the time it's like what you are the patterns the parents instill in you and yet that doesn't manifest until later in life really what i don't i don't know what yeah i think. That's one of the thing about being a late teen or teenager. Early adult is like at some point. You go from a limitless potential to out. You are what you are and like. You sometimes don't like your awareness doesn't catch up to where you're actually at chum but Then be matthew mcconaughey and fast times and you can just be perpetual other movie. I've not seen the alright alright of theirs. That's the yeah like no matter how old i get. They still say is same. Age arrested development all right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back you guys already know all about express vpn because they've been sponsoring our show for almost a year. Now we talk about them all the time and i can't stress enough the importance of protecting your online activity from big tech. Who track spy and profit off of you. But there's another reason many of us here love using express. Vpn netflix see. Thousands of shows on netflix are only available outside of the us. So you need to change your country if you want to access them what the express. Vpn app does is it. Encrypted data and rerouted routes it through a server. 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It orchestration by cdw people who get it find out more at cdw dot com slash. Adobe sign one thing that i thought was not true to my school experience was everyone's reaction to judd. Nelson's swedes dash. Because i was aware i was a straight edge. Kid i wouldn't call myself that but that's just like i. The idea that i would do. Drugs was just like way are beyond my personal performance envelope debt. But like i knew all of the kids were doing it and it didn't matter whether you're at a preppy didn't matter if you're in the on the wrestling team or football team or basketball team everyone of these people like it. Maybe there are some the did it every weekend but almost everyone nine new went and partied at a party house at least once in their high school career and that definitely smoke dope but definitely drank to excess. All that kind of stuff like every one of these kids like universally reviling the fact that dissolve. This is drugs this has marijuana. Like i thought that was like okay. Maybe maybe that was. No there's no way even the seventies that was the case in. In grosse pointe blanche me. And i don't know but if you could somehow gather a group full of the kids who had done we'd this scene is so cute because like the way that it really is like. I want to try that. I wanna try theirs. We'd going on in that room. I gotta get in there because it's might be his only opportunity right to friends. Don't smoke weed assure regularly so like right. He's probably never known anybody who actually had. You've probably ever seen it in this movie. So this is an opportunity for him right to experience something. He has an experience outside of him himself and his expectations go. Do something crazy i loved. I also feel like every one of these kids except for emilio estevez had done. We'd before and knew exactly done. We christ's ellen such a noisy sound like that straight edge. The kid a like i thought was really good. Playing stone. anthony. Michael hall was really good. Plan stone elson. Of course ally sheedy. Of course meal esta vez. Hot box. The whole foreign language lounge and comes out of there like a madman. This is the degree eliza for i have never seen someone's first reaction to herb like turn them into the incredible hulk of like the fight dancing and using the library as a gymnasium and pi horsing over cases. It was like everything was like a app. That's exactly that. And then you see mealy estevez come out of the room like oh this is gonna be interesting and he comes out in full. Wolfman mode yeah. I don't think he's done it or johnny. Martin told me martin. Sheen put the fear of god into look. I blazed up with brando and it changed my life and not for the good band. You guys stay away from this. This devils laddis boy boy. You'd better stay away from his devils lettuce. I appreciate that. He did all his own stunts in this movie like that was really him doing the car. Wheel really him jumping bookcases. That's other thing that blew my mind. L. go ahead. I want you to finish your thought. No no i just kept expecting to see the cut to the stuntman and it never was or the catholic head that this isn't actually him but they always showed his face. The oil is like also like he's like look like a kid to wrestle. Compact stocky and muscular obviously agile. And all that the his takedown judd nelson wasn't very convincing from a technique but like from physicality even though judd had like a half ahead over him. Yeah looked real I was impressed. By 'cause i gather prejudice ahead about this movie is this was a big budget. Hollywood star studded production. This movie costs less than a million dollars. It takes place entirely in not entirely entirely in one facility. Mostly in one room like it's kind of amazing like a million. They made this thing for under million dollars. I that blew me away. I didn't think it was gonna be like a fifty million dollar extravaganza ten fifteen million dollars. Sure sure like how do you get a movie. How do you get a movie made. I guess he made it with kids. And you do it in some shitty town Illinois pardon to anyone. Apparently the they had to build this library because there wasn't a library in the school this big and most really most libraries and schools are not even close to this. Oh no big fan metropolitan. Yeah this is like a major metropolitan library fucking library of congress in here. They had to build this in the gymnasium of stories that has like a dinosaur bone exhibit way ridiculous climbs at some point. Pat What are the other. Things are a lot more to talk seriously. But i did want to talk about the kids stunts in this movie because there are some wild ones judd. Nelson hawking the lougee into his own mouth gross. Yeah have to yuck moments. And that's one of them ally. Sheedy drawing a flawless cross hatched covered bridge seen it snow with the dandruff in her hair grows up. I also i somehow. I got my life without hearing this little diddy. Oh can you hear this. can you hear this. let me turn it up for you. Good you had never heard that. I consider myself a connoisseur of crazy Blue expressions. I had literally never ever seen or heard anyone do that before. And it slayed me. I really enjoy really enjoy. And i pick up new new piece of profanity. Molly ringwald putting on lipstick with their boobs. Not possible idell by it. She does not have the cleavage for and they hide like the. I noticed that too as well as also she's like well she literally sixteen seventeen making this movie so like they're trying to but they surely i mean that up skirt was probably her probably right. Yeah i mean. They didn't have the cast to call in a stunt crotch deserving her modesty but like hollywood. Don't give a fuck thawra Flashing her breasts. Breasted you know and the american beauty Like they so. That was the weird one alley cds lunch again. I guess she's just been weirdo for where to the captain. Crunch sugar special with a sandwich. Yeah fuck and the other thing is like. I thought it was going to pay off allie. She because throughout the whole movie. She's stealing stuff from judd. She stealing his knife just stealing his padlock. And like there's the camera always kinda cuts her mugging. Why she's doing it. I thought that would pay off. I don't think it did know when she empties her purse and shows that each. She stole his wallet. There's like a minor payoff but the storms out to kind of the the ice a little bit. Yeah but but but only i thought it would. It disestablished factor. She's swiping brings But i thought there was going to be. I don't know because i'm like well. She's kind of. Is this the kind of movie it is going to have her like. Try to commit suicide in the bathroom. How like how fucking after school special is this thing gonna get and you know when judge gave his big like our harrowing speech about his His domestic life. I'm like nah. They might go there but it never. It never did go pretty dark. Especially you know they they. The movie is expertly paced and knows the moments where needs to back off the tension. That speech anthony. Michael hall gives about the pressure of getting these grades and how he's got this gun in his locker and he was considering killing himself and in the revealed a flare gun and everybody laughs at him. Because i mean what the fuck you do after that conversation right but the movie needs that moment. The movie needs to lighten the mood. Because it got real fucking heavy there for a minute and they do that with with basically all of the characters right. The only character who i don't really feel like gets that moment is clare like she never. I don't know the pressures of being popular are not something that i have a lot of strong identity or identify with strongly so it doesn't strike me as like the big emotional payload that is pressure from your parents to always succeed whether it be grades or sports or just your parents abusing you like or completely ignoring you. Those things resonated with me far more than the popular girl has to be popular. Maybe that was your wrestling. Like i had the same thing with the mealworm hers. I like i again again. He take this compared to like the kids in the wire this all tiniest visor and play and i sobbed for the right but like for middle class high school. You know suburb. This is this is pretty traumatic shit. And i'm like. I can see just in the same way because this is a theme of like you know anthony. Michael hall didn't ask to be born smart. And because he was and he's gifted in that way his parents inside crazy pressure emilee had explicit speech. Where he's like. I'm kim essentially. I'm a champion. Not because i wanted to be. But because they've i'm i'm bigger and faster longer than everybody is. Yes born at this stuff. So now that because of that i have to excel. And that's my and like. I think that you're supposed to understand that her. She's like i didn't ask to be. I didn't ask to look like molly ringwald and be born to class like i. I can see that because like i. There was a couple of kids that like I know that give the son of the guy who owned the. This is so ridiculous. Because it's all mooresville should like the the rich kid in my class was the guy whose dad own levi's store in town you know the the the levi's store in more than a big fucking. It's the taft the town if you put like really that's because i knew thing like i didn't i understand now that he probably had like a solid middle class back but he was now what there's no way that guy's wealthy off of single blue jeans store usable big blue jeans store. Mrs z bluejeans was like largest in the mid west or whatever it was i kind of famous and is right there by gray's the other powerhouse of mooresville but Like i remember feeling a little sorry for him because he was popular because you know he had a lot of money and like if you got in good with his parents they might take vacation with them and they always had good parties and stuff like people talk mad shit behind his and anytime he like showed a moment of weakness or one the wigner complained people like oh poor little rich you know nobody wants to hear your fucking problems but you know people have problems to this. Might be a little bit of my bias. Like being born into wealth extreme wealth plus being a woman be the end of being a woman in high school is just got to be a nightmare just baseline you know for sure each and let's talk about thad because this has a couple of of young women in it hand. The storyline that they get the one of them gets is that they are a weirdo. Because they don't look the right way now Halfway through this movie they actually near the end of this movie. They rectify that problem bright. And i'm putting that in quotes rectify the problem right a. By giving allergy and ally sheedy wallace. She's doing it and saying why are you being so nice to me and it's like because you're letting me and like the other movies so this movie does this in the context of a whole lot of other things that it's doing and i've seen other movies do exclusively this like she's all that mean girls in a way is like doing exclusively this experience and so they can devote more time to it. And i don't know if it's a problem here of not being able to devote enough time to this particular pauline. Or if this is just an inherently. Like kinda sexist weird thing. That's in this movie now. Because they're essentially saying that the only thing that is going to make her happy as looking good and and if she just puts a little effort in she'll be she'll be fine and now i know from experience. There is a sense of of confidence and strength. That comes with making yourself look good like just something as simple as getting new haircut can make you feel like a million bucks when you're walking out of the the salon right and as far as as far as advantages and privileges going being extremely attractive is probably the best one you can have at trump's almost everything else except for money again it's almost universally worldwide if you're attractive everything else is going to be a little bit easier. The wheels are going to be a little bit greece. Doors are open easier. So sure for sure i just i guess. I wish that that was not the go to move here. The thing that find her as a new person is getting a new look. Yeah what about Molly ringwald appreciating the fact. She has no shit artistic talent right or you know. She's into cool music you know or like is like he doesn't have to be like a i spent five minutes and you're makeup and put a put a pusher pusher bangs. Back from heads up. People can see your face honey and ryan. That's all you need. And then you know all the boys fawn over and she gets the the popular jock and all that stuff. It's it's a little weird and this movie is not perfect in separate the nerd to nerd a sexless. He's he doesn't you know everyone else match gets matchy matchy. The nerd goes home alone. As snazzy is that's how it goes targets in school and seller those. Do you have anything else. You wanna say about the breakfast club. Oh why that's the other thing is like. I thought that there was going to be some cool. Reveal about the breakfast club and like why they named themselves that but it's literally just signed the breakfast club. Oh it's that they were talking about like the clubs that they're part of our not part of and won't be accepted into right now. They're forming their own new club which is outside of the norms of but the name it before no is. It's called the breakfast club. They need eight. Lay kinda sorta lunch together. I thought i was expecting some kind of douyin with honestly. I thought there's gonna be some kind of like they bonded over breakfast at tiffany's or something like that was the one movie they'd all seen or something. It just felt slightly random. I'll give you breakfast. Doesn't make a ton of sense in this context other than maybe. They showed up really early on saturday for their detention. Sounds like that's the school star. Seven o'clock some reason still think it's a good idea to make teenagers get up at seven o'clock in the morning. Jat five o'clock if you want to spend time on your personal appearance and you know yeah that phase in my life is over i will say the music in this movie is iconic or at least the one song because i think that simple minds. Don't you forget about me. I found it that this song was sort of shopped around to a bunch of different bands. It was written by de songwriter looking for bands to sing it. They approached a couple of other. People like Billy idol was approached to do this song and he turned it down Yeah i could totally see that. And then they took us to like cindy lauper. I was some famous female singer time and she was like well. I don't. I don't want to do it but my husband has this band simple minds. Go and give them and they recorded the song and then i mean this song. It became a classic. I think because it was in this movie but it sort of defined genre of films in a weird way like a whole a whole generation of kids solve this movie and was like simple minds is thing but simple minds. I'm trying to think of other songs that they've done. I may have heard one or two. But there's none this popular certainly This thing became just a classic. It's still a banger. Yeah anything else that we ready to take the breakfast club after dinner so to speak one more thing question for you okay. hit me. who's who's worse. It seen fares. I have okay. I shouldn't have to ask that pajamas. Seen breakfast club yet. So i'm not sure why i saw like a kazillion. I saw that my neighbor's house who was also a jehovah's witness and so my mom never thought the but like they were big john hughes fans over there in a one of my friend matt's favorite movies at the time there watching all the time fares bueller so i saw that i was like twelve when i saw it so i still was like to kind of appreciate more than just the obvious fund of like playing right from school but yeah i saw. I've rented a cool car Sure okay fran and hot girl who's worse this vice principal or is it rooney rooney it's rooney and the other in a ferris buehler's day off the principal there that guy's an actual pedophile unrealized. Turns out i'm gonna go with him. Is that you. i'm pretty sure. Let's see hold on a second. I hope is true principle fairs to cut it out. We're all you care if you're actually jones. Jeffrey jones wikipedia will certainly have the criminal offenses here. We go no two thousand two jones's arrested for possession of child pornography my seventeen year old boy of solicitation to pose nude photographs contest aston answered. Holy shit. I didn't know that. Oh accusers also fourteen when defer the offense heard so in god. Yeah well we know the yeah. I think he's he's worse this guy but i mean as far as like their in universe characters principle. I can see hunting down ferris bueller as you're white whale right like he's white whale planes to break and enter into their home pretty crazy. I am the links he goes to to catch. did he. challenge fares to fistfight. He never does although he definitely fistfights his sister. Well foot fights his yeah right right like his his face style. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah yup both of those fights by the way It seems like he's lost a battle with the his his own life too. Well no you didn't play. He's dead One last question. Do you have any idea. What neo maxine zoom. Dewey is because i do a neo. Maxi dweeby i mean. It's like some kind of word salad way to say this cat. Guys like a mega nerd. He's like a neon evangeline nerd. Some kind of evolved battle suit. Mecca aware nerd. Eric's rolls right off your rolls right off your tongue. Now that'll do feels like the most artificial thing and it's tire movies that line. Yeah i yeah yeah. Everything else is pretty authentic. I wonder if. That's like an authentic john hughes seventies high school experience like that really stung him so hit him with that and really because what but it sucked or maybe he was trying to consciously coin. You know like in a bart simpson shorts kind of way. Like he's like. Yeah i gotta i wanna i wanna catchphrase coming out of this. This thing wrong kerr gye original character. That'll do the breakfast next week. We're going to be back for the psycho sexual thriller. Instinct beaver instinct. Whatever dad certain assurance on at least one scene from that movie. I was gonna say i have never seen this movie before but i do know. The crossing crossing led expanded. Everybody lost her fucking mind over. I can't. I can't imagine. I can't imagine half second. Coup shot is going to make the do things whereas with a one way or another. But i don't know. I don't know have you seen it. But we're back on prestige for basic instinct next week until then i'm jose ron dan. I'm jim as mentioned previously. We've got a new after show for are watching dead podcast where you can join our conversation in real time. Every tuesday at one pm eastern will be asking a conversation at stereo dot com slash bald. Move and you can join in. It's easy just download the absolutely free app at stereo dot com slash ball move. And you're ready to go. Stereo is the app for live social conversations and we wanna talk directly with you our listeners. You can join our show. Ask questions suggest. Topics share all your opinions thoughts. We want to hear everything download now. 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Jocko Underground: The Reasons Your Tactical Moves are Ruining Your Strategy

Jocko Podcast

12:34 min | 6 months ago

Jocko Underground: The Reasons Your Tactical Moves are Ruining Your Strategy

"This is the john underground. Podcast number five with echo. Charles jaka willink good evening echo and also joining us tonight is good deal diversity me dave all right so we've been getting crazy talking about competing but tonight i the opening of the podcast tonight. I kinda went a little bit deep on thinking strategic versus thinking tactical. So i was thinking about that. And i started thinking about it. Look it so it so obvious that we should be thinking strategic. All the time isn't so obvious. It seems so obvious right. Why isn't it happening. So i started thinking about okay. What are the enemies. What are the enemies of strategic thinking. What are they what can they be. They've gotta be out there because otherwise we would just be thinking strategic all the time but if everyone was thinking strategic all the time the world would be an entirely different place and certainly every individual's world would be an entirely different place. So what's causing first thing. That comes to my mind ego. Why is that. What does the eagle. How does he go. Drive us to not think strategically well because our ego is that thing that is not comfortable with giving a tactical victory someone else. I mean so i would rather win an argument with dave burke hurt our relationship. Make him look bad. Devolve our business relationship. Our personal. I'd rather do all that. Because i want to win an argument with dave. Why because that's my ego talking at that. That is such a driver of doing dumb things you know what's really crazy when people do when people do dumb things based on their ego and it actually. It actually can destroy your company right. You can have a whole company that gets destroyed by ego you can do. I mean you certainly can have people and there's examples of battles that have taken place where ego caused defeat and cost you know hundreds or thousands of people their lives based just on ego just on. Hey we can take these. Hey my plan is going to like that happens. That's a real thing so when we talk about that wanna talk about. Okay so how do you. How do you defeat this enemy of. How do you defeat this enemy of strategic thinking your ego. How do you how do you do that. Well to me you've got to and this is the answer and say the answer over and over again you got to detach and you've got to think about what you're doing which what a novel idea to actually detach and think about what you're doing and oddly enough this gives you this massive strategic advantage if you can take a four inch step backwards detach from your ego and look at. What's actually playing out if you could do that. You're you're like infinitely better than you are. If you're eagles all wrapped up in this decision that you're making it's crazy that it would come to that you've seen the breakfast club. Remember that yes so easy now right. That's your gym. The can't remember the part when he was like. Hey i've made our we want like early quarantine when it was like well. What are we doing you know. And the kids were my daughter home for college from college. And all that and we're sitting around so we i said okay we're gonna watch them eighty movies when old school breakfast club was on the list. It was one of the few that kind of passed muster. Because some of the other mood. I'll tell you why because i have a daughter that she was ten when corner kicked off and all that have watched t t lake recently ten years. Maybe we what do you mean it pass muster like like like. The family was was pretty good. It was okay now they were. There was a time when we're not watching anymore. You're stupid man. As a matter of fact my youngest daughter. When i say when i say to my your starter. Oh do you wanna watch movies. She's like from what year e is one of the ones that sort of put the nail in the coffin on eighties movies. Have you dave you ever seen using will totally see not. Have you seen it in the last three years. Five years did it pass muster It's hasn't had. It hasn't been watched since is one of those at the tune scenario. Like i'm just going to buy it because once they see they're gonna watch it a bunch. Nobody has gone back to on shot. And i was. I hadn't seen it in probably twenty something years. But i was so sure i wouldn't even waste my time with a rental. I'm buying it because it's gonna be on repeat. Nobody's gone back that well that you and i walked into that ambush the exact same way crazy. I one hundred. Because i i don't i don't you said you haven't seen in twenty years. I saw it in the theater. Yeah so whatever year it came out in one thousand nine hundred eighty three twelve years old i went to the theatre and watched it and i remember it being this marine story and i was expecting an my ab- my wife. No she's a let's say she will. She's no she will get emotional during a movie right so get sad and my youngest daughter is kind of same way. you know. you'll see the tears welling up. So i'm thinking you know we've taken down this motion. Thank myself to going home. You know i don't wanna be the guy that's breaking during. Et bro. it was hard my youngest daughter. It was hard for her to watch the whole thing. And part of it is the frequency special effects nowadays. I mean when you see e looking like a mica looking like a someone's like holding by shaking walking super lame super lane. And i was bad but then actually what was weird to me is like the story wasn't as good as i remember and that movie was a blockbuster. It was a blockbuster. Just why is it a blockbuster. Special effects allegedly. 'cause i mean damn other. Yeah i dunno i dunno. I got no answer at this time. But yeah that the the the kids nowadays my daughter. She's seven where she'll like you know they can. At that age and older they can identify current special effects in old school special effects. You make those little movies with your kids in them. Why why are we watching a puppet all super wack so didn't really pass muster dang ferris. Buehler's day off didn't really pass muster. Even i was sorta like wow. I thought the i remember. I remember these things. Were pretty good right. An and breakfast club breakfast and there was a. I'm trying to think of some other ones that that we watched. But but breakfast club passed muster interesting passed muster and peeler. No that's weird do seemed like dallas adventure he. It did seem that way. So you referring to breakfast club. Yeah do you have any idea why you're referring to breakfast club. Yes good got a critical point that you you brought up about how your ego you can watch. As someone's ego just drives their hold interests into the ground and defeat them all of them completely zero so breakfast club. There was a time where he came and he and What's the what's the principle or whatever at the guy's name. But i can't remember came in. He was like boo said his thing. And he's like. I know you have any more questions. And he said yeah. I have a question like this berry. Madame manilow know that you rated his wardrobe and said all. Give you the answer to that question next saturday right like you got another saturday detention life and then he kept going right like whatever what i forget. Exactly his response to that one was and he's like he's like oh owner he's like i'm not free or something like that. It's like free anyway. he goes. he's like you want to keep going. And he's like and he ends up with the horns angers two months two months. I got you for two months to the point. Where in like dislike said. You can watch people as they just do it. And meanwhile the girl was referring to. I was referring to battles where thousands of people killed somebody but bender worth a detention. Same exact. Same exact deal. So molly ringwald. Yeah she's like she's straight of sitting there saying hey stock cut it out. That can watch this anymore and brother towel right. Everyone's i can see it and brother guy was detached at all his eagle was just flaring up front lines all day two months two months. I got you two months before you get the horns all right so we got to watch out for you go. Ego is a enemy of strategic thinking. You could end up with two months of tensions. Or what have you or you can end up leading people to death in combat. Both of these apparently are huge. Strategic defeats another thing that is an enemy of strategic thinking. This one's real obvious instant gratification. Whatever that instant. Gratification is e oddly enough can just crush a long term strategic victory because you want immediate gratification right now. Doughnut dow on such a weird one night there though not not in the in the immediate gratification. Like you know it. It's like you see it right there in front. You see the whole thing. It's not like something is going to sneak out of the surprise. You straight up. Yeah you just do it like saving money money. Then you see that thing that you don't even need in was freedom. Feel manual a new edition. I wrote a little section about getting ambushed by like as if the donut ambushes. You as if that's what happens as if the alarm clock snooze button somehow so that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on. The jaakko podcast. So if you want to continue to listen go to jaakko underground dot com and subscribe. And we're doing this or doing this. To mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control. 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The Moth Radio Hour: Mother, Mommy, Mama, Mom

The Moth

51:16 min | 2 years ago

The Moth Radio Hour: Mother, Mommy, Mama, Mom

"Support. For today's episode comes from Wells Fargo with two hundred billion dollars committed towards the development of clean technologies and renewable energy to eight America's transition to a low-carbon economy. More at stories dot W, F dot com slash environment. Hey, podcast listeners. If you're a K through twelve teacher who loves them off. Check out the moth teacher institute. Learn how to integrate personal storytelling into your classroom from storytellers and instructors during one of our upcoming weekend programs. They're held in lower Manhattan, June twenty-first through the twenty third and August second through the fourth for more information. Check out the moth dot org. Pierre X. This is the moth radio hour, I'm Kathryn burns. And I'll be your host. This time. The moth is all about true stories told live and this week. We're gonna talk about mothers every year hallmark mixer Queen for the day. But we hear stories about mothers and the act of mothering all year long at them off. And in this hour, we're gonna play you some of our favorites. Our first story is from the actress and writer, Molly ringwald, she told in the show. He did the Carolina theatre in Durham, North Carolina. Here's Molly ringwald. Hi. So a couple years ago my family, my husband Ponti, oh, and my seven year old daughter Matilda and our one year old twins move into a new house in Los Angeles. Which is in the best school district in Los Angeles. My daughter Matilda up until that point was was going to school in a very progressive Montessori ish kind of school that was very far away. She quite liked it. But everybody kept saying why don't you have your daughter go to this school? It's it's an amazing school. Everybody moves into this this area just to go to the school. So we thought about it and about after year we said to Matilda Matilda. What do you think about going to the neighborhood school? It's supposed to be really good. And she said, no. And so we thought about it. And you know about a week later. We asked her again, she said, no we kept asking her. She kept saying, no, no, no, no. But her father, and I decided we're parents and we're going to make an executive decision. And we said, yes. Mathilde kept saying no all the way up until she actually entered the second grade. But we figured you know, what she's young. She seven years old. She's going to get over it. She'll adjust. We all did right? The first week. We knew that something was wrong. When her teacher said to us at the first week conference. You know in all my years of teaching. Which was sixteen years. I've never had a child like Matilda. You know, sometimes somebody can say this about your kid, and you think, wow, that's amazing. But in our case, we knew it wasn't very good. She said, you know, she amended it and said, you know, maybe boys, but not girls. And we said, oh, all right. Okay. What's up gender bias? But we had to listen to what she had to say she presented us with an index card that was clearly and matilda's handwriting. That said you're pretty short and little for a second grader. Which I thought was sort of alarming until I realized that it was actually written to a little boy. And I thought she's flirting. I did that until I was well into my thirties, you know. But then there were other things that we really couldn't ignore. She told one girl that she had a pretty awful name. But that she could change it when she turned eighteen. And then and then there were other incidences, you know, when when she would get mad. It's thought somebody was laughing at her. She would throw sharp pencil at them or sometimes she would go up to their desk and just tear up their their work. So it was it was clearly a problem, and then they would give in schools and public schools at least in Los Angeles. They do this thing called a reflection chart, and what it is. They tell the child to explain what they did. And why they did it and how they felt and then and then the next part is how the other child might have felt and that's to instill some kind of empathy, and what Mathilde would right in the space was, blah, blah, blah. And translated. That's the eight year old version of fuck you. So Pontiac by my husband's started to talk to her, you know, an verged on pleading where we said Matilda this. This is your first year at this school. If you keep doing this, you won't have any friends and Matilda looked at a straight in the eye. And she said, I don't need any friends. I don't want any friends. And this was very alarming to both of us. About a I would say maybe a week went by it was probably about a week before Mathilde and Pontiac, and I both got hauled into the principal's office. And I can tell you that I never in my life had been inside of a principal's office only in a movie, in fact, there was a scene in in pretty in pink where I got called into the principal's office. And that was my only experience and the same with my husband. We were both such goody two shoes as kids, you know, and matilda's there with her feet up on the desk. And the principal excuses her from the office, and she talks with my husband and me, and she says, you know, matilda's a very bright child. She's very observant in my opinion. She's highly gifted she's very funny. But if she continues this mode of behavior, I'm afraid that people are going to see her as a bully. And I can't tell you what that word meant me. Because you know, I basically made a career out of being the girl who stood up to bullies in movies. You know, all those movies. I think they really spoke to people because because everybody has been bullied in one way in their life. But I was the girl who who stood up to them. And it really meant a lot to me and not only that, but I was actually bullied in my own life in seventh grade. I had this this bullied this eighth grader named Shirley Panini. That's not a real name. But it's really close. And I didn't even know who she was. She just showed up, you know, I would walk down the hall, and there should be in her little Dutch boy haircut, and she would say ring walls. I'm gonna kick your ass after school after school. I'm gonna kick your buck an ass. And I had no idea who this girl was I just knew that she didn't like me for some reason. And she really scared me. And she scared me to the point where I told my parents that I wasn't going to go back to that school. They could drop me off at school. And I would wait until they laughed and then I would leave. And I think my parents knew that I was serious because I left that school. So when I heard that we're bully connected to my daughter. I thought this is impossible. I know my daughter, and I know what a huge and sensitive and compassionate heart. She has I mean, this is a girl that when I put my father's teddy bear. I don't have very many things that belonged to my father. So this was very precious to me, I put my father's teddy bear in the washing machine and all the stuffing came out. But I didn't realize I opened the machine and all I saw was stuffing. And I thought that I'd killed my father's bear. And I was devastated, and I burst into tears and Matilda saw me came running out and offered to empty her. Piggy Bank to get me another teddy bear because she could see how much it meant to me. I knew that I knew Matilda, and I knew that the school could not see into the heart of Mathilde, but I could and I needed to figure out what was wrong. So I went into this frenzy of of self help books. You know, I stayed up all night on Amazon. You know, getting getting books like, you know, your defiant child. Your Edison trait child, your froma of the gifted child, and what to do when your child doesn't have all the answers. And I just I did everything I could I went down this rabbit hole of child, therapists and child psychiatrists and educational therapist. I even considered biofeedback anything to bring my lovely child. Back to us. One of the things that I decided to try was social skills class because it was recommended to me this class at at a college. And it seemed like a good idea, and I presented it to Matilda. And she said, no. And I said too bad you're going. So we were in traffic for a long time took us a long time to get there and Matilda, and I have this this deal where she gets to listen to one cash asong, and I get to listen to one Ella Fitzgerald song. And then we have to listen to something that we both like and in this case, it was a show called radio lab. I don't know if many of you know radio lab, but it's tastic show. I like to call it this American life for science, and it's a show that really speaks to both of us. And this particular episode was about zoos and Matilda is big animal lover, you know, she she really feels very comfortable in the company of animals and really cares about them. So I thought it would be a really good thing to listen to and this particular part of the show had to do with guerrillas and before the seventies guerrillas didn't have they were just in these concrete boxes in zoos, and they were slowly going out of their minds, and this one man took it upon himself to change all that and to to really give guerrillas the habitats that they needed in zoos and Matilda are listening to this. And they're describing this guerilla the first time, he sees sky in his life and everybody, you know, the zookeepers and the specialists in the architects, everybody is standing on the other side of the glass watching this guerilla, not knowing if the guerrillas just going to absolutely lose his mind, but he looks up at the sky, and then he touches his hands to the grass, which is never felt in his life. And is closing his eyes. And he's feeling the wind on his for for the first time. And while I'm listening to this. I'm looking at my daughter in the back seat, and she's Mirroring everything that this guerrillas doing. She's looking up she's closing her eyes. She's feeling her face. She's touching the seat as though it's grass, and I realize than my daughter is not in her habitat. And asks her mother, I vowed that day that no matter what I would find her habitat. I would find a way for her to thrive. And I can't tell you all the ways that I did it, but I pretty much made in my full time job this year and a few weeks ago. I was on the playground watching Mathilde hang upside down on the apparatus they used to call it the jungle gym. But now, they call it the apparatus. And she's hanging upside down with her legs locked with a girl. And this mother comes running up to me. And she says, Molly, Molly, you don't know me. But I need to talk to you about Mathilde. Oh my God. You have to ruin this moment. I'm watching really you have to talk to me about Mathilde. I said what what about Mathilde, and she said, I just want to tell you that my daughter Hannah loves your daughter, and I said, oh, really. Why? I love her. But you know, why does she loved her? And she said Hannah loves her because she said that she stood up for her on the playground. And she wants to know if Matilda can come over for a play date. And so I told her that we would be happy to and we would be there with bells on. Thank you. That was Molly ringwald throughout hurts career. She's worked with directors such as Paul missour- sqi. John Hughes, Cindy, Sherman and Gianluca Dard. She's the author of when it happens to you a novel in stories Mollie lives with her husband and three children in Los Angeles. I recently sat down to talk with Molly the first time you ever came to a moth show, it occurs to me that you are actually pregnant with Mathilde I was very pregnant at the time and somebody and it was all sold out. But somebody gave me a seat, and which when you're pregnant you are so appreciative of that. So it made me love them off forever. So then I immediately wrote to you and ask you to tell the story you basically said no way discuss. Yes. The idea of getting in front of an audience and not having a character. You know, it's not somebody else's lines. It just really terrified me. And I think the moth actually really did help me to certain extent, I won't say that I have no fear about public speaking. But I think it really helps just to give us an update house miss Mathilda doing she's doing incredibly well now she's just getting ready to graduate from the fifth grade and she's part of the student council. She's a Madam secretary. I mean that to me is a real testament to how everything turned around she still an iconic class. She's always going to be an original. But, but I think she's learning to channel it, and she's also a really good friend. She has a group of friends, and that to me is the most important thing. So, yeah, it's a great place that was writer actress and Mostra teller, Molly. Ringwald to hear more of my interview with Molly, go to the moth dot org. Coming up a young boy obsessed with magic begs his mom to buy mistreat jacket for Christmas. When the moth radio hour continues. The moth radio hour is produced by Lantis public media in woods hole Massachusetts and presented by PR ex. This is the moth radio hour from ex I'm Kathryn burns. And we're talking about mothers. We've heard from a mom who was worried about her kid. And now Anthony Griffith is going to talk about being raised by real mama bear, the story was recorded at the old town school of folk music in Chicago, Anthony has a mess. So that's why his voice sounds a little shaky. Sometimes here's Anthony Griffith live in Chicago. The earliest memory. I have my biological father has watching him a Mexican standoff. Hit grab put the knife on my mom and threatened to stop urgent death. My mom who had suffered physical abuse for years took two bottles and broke them to hold them out as weapons. My mom's crying, my brothers crying. I'm crying. I don't know why I'm crying. I'm only four, but I can since the room was that best toxic. My father wants to sleep off his alcoholic rage. My mom grabbed my brother and myself. And left the house. No extra clothes extra food, nor extra money. She just bounce. It's amazing. What a child remembers. From then on I live, two different lives. One was that of being a single parent mom and all that entails. And my love for television. I love TV I will watch magic shows and magicians, and I asked my mom for magic said what she got me. And I quickly found out. To be a magician. You have to. Adhere to the instructions. If the instruction says use a dove. Use a dove. Don't use your best friends picky. For two reasons. Number one. Does are docile. They're quiet, then not afraid of the dark. You can hide them on your person. Pierre Keats bite. And they're always talking. You can't shut them. Another thing about doing magic is that if you're in inner city, and you perform for whites whites are mazed, all that's great. You're awesome brothers. Not so much. In fact, if a brother can't figure out how you decide to trick they wanna fight. Ken. Not suspend disbelief. Not so much from mom was always there always in my corner and one Christmas she has what I wonder if a Christmas, and I say within those the as I want straightjacket. And sure enough. For christmas. Under the tree. Was the clean never used straightjacket. And I asked my mom use. So how did you get straight Jack? And she said well. I called in a sane asylum. And I told them my son wants to be a magician. How much does straight jacket costs? But that was like, my mom. She always went there and beat young to feel my journey. Another thing. I liked about TV was I love this show. Good times because my of my family because we're from inner city except their father good times. He didn't beat his wife. And even though they were hard times, they were always there. And I felt my father could be like that. Because I was see pictures around the house of times where my father, my mom and the family would laugh. So I think if my father came back that that will be the same way again. And it seems like it was going. I'm worried because my father found where I was. And he said, hey, you know, I love you. I wanna to see you go to go play baseball. And so are my baseball glove my baseball head and my my cap in my mid, and I waited by the window from my father and in the meantime would play catch. And so my father showed. Which he never did. And this what happened over and over gay? My father would cow say divas come by our give my mid in my head and my ball, and I worry for my ipod. Window. My mom, and I would play catch waiting for him. But he never showed up. Older. I stopped playing baseball. In fact, I think I hate baseball because it reminded me of five relationship and the lies in my father, always told and disappointment in my life. Plus, I was getting older. I was a young teenager and my life would change in because I was becoming young tall black man from the inner city. People started to be afraid of me. And I didn't know why. Women would cover their their purses around me. When I went to to parliament and store security would follow me police would stop me on the street if I was walking or an car, and I didn't know why all of a sudden I became the enemy of the state. And there was no man, I could talk to to negotiate this part of my life. Even though fob aren't good times for some reason have been written off, and he was no longer on the show. And I miss my father and as much as my mom wanted to help me. She didn't do it was best that she just kept her distance. Because this is a weird way of my co went through his right of passage in the inner city. And I prayed how far the calm and like God answered my prayer. My father called one day and said he was in. He wanted us to come and see how are doing. And I was so happy because I was going to be with my father was tell him the man I have become and he's going to share what what e- was the time. And so we we went to see each other and embraced. And it was tears of joy. And I told him that what I was doing. I was becoming a young man. And he was telling me everything he was doing and the new family that he had. You know, there's one skill as you get older. That you don't have a kid has how to detect bullshit. Especially when it comes from your loving father. And as father was talking. He started to blur. His force started to blur. And to the Charlie Brown, TV teacher voice while white wine. Why why why why why why? There's a part in the bible. When I was a child. I thought luck good child. I acted like a child I reason like a child, but when I became our put away. Jau things. One of the biggest things I had to put away that night. Was the fantasy that I was going to have would not father. He's going to come back to my life. We're gonna to do all the things that I wanted to do. He was going to show me how negotiate and aggregate to this world. Call life. I realized that what's going to happen. And my father in my life. Was. Because she protected me. She guide me she taught me everything and that the biggest magician. I'm alive. Was. She. To create from chaos. We're. Could prosper and grow and send the man that I was destined to become. To her. I say. Thank you. That was Anthony Anthony is after one EMMY award for his performance in the television drama are father Anthony's first month story, which chronicled his young, daughters illness and death over three appearances. He made the night show has been viewed more than one point five million times on the moths YouTube channel to get link. Santini's work, go to the mosque dot org. Our next door. He was recording at one of our open mic storyslam competitions. The theme was celebration. Here's Julian live at the bell house. Brooklyn, New York. When I was four years old. I lived across the street from my best friend the entire world. His name was Colin. He was a year older than me. And we were completely opposite in every single way. I was very girly little kid, which is what people told me back. Then I grew up in suburban Florida and two story house. Thank you, Florida in a two story house and my grandma and my four sisters, so there's a lot of female energy floating around, and because of my favorite things to do to paint, my toenails and do fashion shows my living room and choreographed dance. Janet Jackson songs it was like, you fauria. Across the street lived, Colin and columns kind of like a quintessential little boy. Right. So he smells bad all little boy, smell bad, and he liked to beat up his little sister and play violent video games and fart and burp and drink pickle juice and do all this disgusting stuff that I had no interest in doing. But because it was more convenient for our moms. We are best friends. Now, this was not like a total loss for me because I could tell even at that young age that what I was doing on my side of the street with the Barbies and the nail polish the pretty pretty Princess was okay on my side of the street, but it wasn't really okay and columns doing on his side of the street was okay. So hanging out with him was kind of my alibi to cover up my true desires because I was so terrified of what would happen if somebody actually figured out what I was all about. Now, I remember one year call was having a birthday party coming up, and I was very excited because when you are a little kid, and you get to be the best friend at a birthday party. It is beyond anything ever experienced is like being the maid of honor at a wedding. I'm like great. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna sit next to the birthday boy at the table. I'm going to hand him all the presence that all his lesser friends gave to him. Like, maybe if I'm lucky yoga to stay late and help his mom clean up. Only. Good things are waiting at this day party so station to come in the mail and finally does. And so I give it to my mom to read to me because I can't read yet. And she sits down to the kitchen table opens it up and takes it out. And it says, please come to Collins tackle football birthday party. And I hear these words taco football birthday party, my heart. Stop speeding. And I'm thinking fuck that. This birthday party. I don't wanna go. I don't wanna play with all these boys. I don't wanna mess up my clothes, or my hair. This is not my time. But of course, I say this because I'm so terrified of what happened if somebody found out so. President wait for the day, the pirates roll around finally does wake up, and I'm terrified, and I myself reading I'm terrified and my mom buck with me to my car seat, and I'm terrified, and we drive ten miles to you know, park where this party is taking place. We get to the gates, and my bones are shivering, I'm so terrified of what's going to happen. I know I'm not going to survive, but I can't see anything. So I'm not moving and I'm not speaking. Because I know if I like let anything I'm just going to explode and get myself away. Right. So we drive in and I can begin to see the football field. And they're all these boys. They're just like I knew it's all boys is a terrible thing to feel right about. And then we got closer still football's flying in the air like some sort of weird medieval torture sequence. So we got closer. And there are balloons everywhere. And I'm like, what kind of birthday party balloons like who's in charge? You know, we're getting closer and closer beginning to hyperventilate. And finally the moment right before we get to the field. My mother who is piloting automobile turns away and she pulls into the farthest parking spot in the farthest parking lot away from the football field. And she turns off the car. I'm thinking. What's going on, you know, like myself away? How does she know? What's going to happen? You're gonna leave me here. You're gonna eat me. You know, what's what's going on? And so my mom she turns around, and she looks at me, and she sees terrified quivering child, and she says Julianne. If you don't wanna go to his birthday party. You don't have to go to this birthday party. I hear her say this, I begin to cry. And I say mom, I do not want to go to the Spurs. And so if the car on we begin to drive away, and as we do all the balloons, and the footballs, and and the little boy, it's got smaller and smaller in the rear view mirror completely disappear. We pull back onto the road back to my safe female empowered house, and nobody talks on the car ride home. Thank you. Julian gold Hagen Gillian is a performance artist educator. He's one of five children all of whom according to Julianne talk your ear off with stories about their tirelessly devoted mother. Julian continues to abstain from any sort of organized tackling particularly birthday party Saudis and his toenails are always painted. Coming when you know, you're about to lose one of the people you love most in the world. Is there any way to really prepare? Radio hour is produced by Atlantic public media and woods hole Massachusetts and presented by the public radio exchange. PR x dot org. This is the moth radio hour from PR ex. I'm Kathryn burns. Our final story is from Kate tellers, I don't really think you can have a show about mothers without talking about. One of the hardest things anyone ever has to face in life. And that's losing a mother. Kate told her story in evening, we called here there be dragons seven months pregnant at the time. Here's Kate tellers live at the mouth. In our little house on the north side of Pittsburgh. We had one television. It was black and white. We kept it behind the couch. And I was never allowed to watch. It most nights. It was my mother my father me some wooden blocks and was very little house on the prairie. But in the nineteen eighty s one day, though, when I was about four years old. I stuck across the street to my neighbor's house, and she let me watch the love boat, and blew my mind when I think about it now, I can just picture Gavin MacLeod dress in a captain's uniform making out with all of these beautiful women with perfect perms and loved it. When I came home. I asked my mother why they kissed in that crazy way. And that was a really difficult thing. My mother explained to me. But finally, she was like, well when people love each other like a whole lot that is the way that they kiss. So when she came in that night to put me to bed at grabbed her head, mashed mine like that. Back and forth. I loved my mother and my father so much when our other friends when people were getting pets and people would get like a Guinea pig at punky Brewster or like a Showa sting. I got to goldfish, and I named them Paul and Lisa after my parents because they were my Rockstars. When my sister was born they named her Alice, and we would go to parties, and they would introduce some people would laugh, and they would say, oh, yeah. Canaan alley and we would say like we had no idea 'cause we didn't watch TV that there was a television show called Kate and Allie on TV on everyone else's color TV's all around the country. It would be like naming your kids will and grace right now, but the rest of the world existed outside of our family. In fact, when it came time for me to write my college essay, I wrote my college essay on the power of my parents divorce because it changed my relationship all of our relationships together and took us on to our next adventure together. I did get into college though. Despite that and about the day before or the day before I was to go to college, my mother, and I were having lunch, and she confessed to me that she had seen a doctor, and she was sick. And it wasn't a big deal. She was just going to have some chemo, and she would be fine. And I really did honestly believe her, but I couldn't hear that. And I felt like I suddenly had to start considering a world with this big hole where my mom should be. And I would go for months and months and months, and I wouldn't think about it. And then I would be reminded of it and we'd be spending time together. And it's like my brain with split and part of me would be completely present. But the other part of me would be outside of us. And I'd be just taking notes and trying to sear them onto my brain. In case I ever needed them. When she wasn't there. After college I moved to New York, and I used to go and sometimes on Friday afternoons, I would drive from New York City across the state of Pennsylvania to Pittsburgh to her apartment, and I'm getting really late, and she opened the door, and she'd say would you like a glass of wine, and I would say, yes. And we both knew that it wasn't ugly of wine because never was and we go into the kitchen, and she would have laid out all of these mismatch blue and white plates with homemade Mus and white cheeses and salty all of these huge Globes that she'd fill with red wine, and somehow miraculously we would sit at the table and talk, and we would drink wine, but they would never be empty glasses of wine and one night, we're sitting and we're talking and she's laughing because she has just confessed to me that the hardest thing she ever had to do as a mother was to give me epoch CAC to induce vomiting because when I was little accident. Eight a bunch of her asthma medicine, there was little red coated pills. And she could see the red in my mouth and. If I had just confessed to her actually eaten from the the little container of red hots that we kept in are covered. It was the only candy in our house ever. And we used it once a year to put two eyeballs on gingerbread man that we made. And but I didn't want to tell her that at the time because I knew that whatever she was freaking out about was bigger than the fact that I had stolen sugar from the house. So she's laughing about this. And she throws her head back, and my brain splits, and I start to take notes, and I note the way that she laughed so big that I can see the cavities in the back of mouth and that when she brings her head down. She pulls the turtleneck her turtleneck up to our chin and then rubs her hand over the ribs on her lavender sweater. And that her head is so small that they that she shops in the children's section at lenscrafters, which I can tell because the candle catches the brand on the arm. Of her glasses, which is Harry Potter. And we continue on like this until we're so tired, and we go to bed. For wild. Things are very good. And then things are bad and things are good. And then one day she visiting me in New York City, and we're in midtown. We're about to get on the subway. We've just seen a show and she stops me. And she says what Marianne mcpartlin who hosts the show on public radio piano, jazz that she loved Mary mcpartlin is having an eighty fifth birthday party at bird land. And we should crash it. And this is my mom. She's the most gracious woman in the world, she wouldn't go to a block party without forcing me. And my sister to be dresses and making homemade to bully and bringing wine the whole thing, but she wants to crash this party. So we're gonna go and we walk up to bird land. And we just charge right past the bouncers and we go right up to the bar. And I always us into some chairs, and I order the fanciest drinks that I can think of which at the time we're vodka gin. Let's. I really liked those glasses and we look around and it's like an Al Hirschfeld drying of what's happening in jazz at that time. And I recognize Tony Bennett Norah Jones, and there's Ravi Coltrane and energy in the room is amazing. It's like we're seeing the show live, but in between all of these amazing performances. People are just loving the birthday girl, and you can just feel that it's one of those nights that everyone in the room will remember that could never be recreated again in car analysis, and who my mother, and I both love takes the stage, and she starts to sing twilight world, and I pick up my glass, and I look, and I turned toast, my mother and she's glowing. And I take her in and my brain splits. And I think this is good. I can use this. Six January's later. I'm back in Pittsburgh. The doctors told us that it's time to come home and in my mother's bathroom, and she's leaning on the sink. She's wearing these pink, striped pajamas that my sister's given our for Christmas the month before and I see her look up and look at herself in the mirror, and I see change come over her face, and she tells me to call nurse. She walks out of the bathroom, and she walks down the hallway, and she lays down in her bed and she falls silent. And I know that this is the day that I have been afraid of for ten years. My sister. And I made a calendar and scheduled my mother's friends and family to come visit her in these days, so that she would never be overwhelmed by too many guests that people could see her. And now, we're calling everyone, and we're telling them come over now for what will probably be one of the worst days of your life. But because I'm my mother's daughter. I'm doing this as I'm pulling her plates off of the shelf and saying but also bring chase and they do people start coming aunts and uncles my father and my mother's boyfriend. My sister's boyfriend we all pile into our living room someone puts in a miles Davis CD and more milling around. I've put food out and I'm filling people's glasses of wine and people start to go into visit my mother, and I hear her saying to them she's laid out in her bed. Can I get you anything can I get you a Cup of tea, and I'm like you're die like going to do this right now? So I start handing people saucers. Empty cups, and I'm just carry this end. So she knows that we're okay out here. And we do and people go in with their cubs secretly, refilling, the wine and doing everything and. Hospice, I came to visit us they gave my sister. And I this pamphlet. It's this little blue booklet, and it's called gone from my site. And there's a line drawing of ship on it and explained in somewhat poetic, but somewhat technical terms. What happens to a body when human being starting to die? And I remember when they gave it to us. I kind of I don't need your drawing of the Nina, the pinta to sort of figure out this very personal moment for me. But in this moment, it's all that. We have we've never done this before. And my sister can tell from the way my mother is breathing that she doesn't have much time. So I go in to check on her. And she's got an out of her bed. And she standing at her closet and she's reaching up for sweater. And I asked her what she's doing, and she looks at me and says, I have to pack. And I don't know what to say to that. And so Finally, I say, mommy where you're going. You don't need a suitcase and she pauses and scrunches up face. Like, she always does when she's thinking and she nods. She lays back into our bed, and she goes silent. And people start continue to go in and they start to say their goodbyes. And finally, it's my turn. And I go into a room, and I sit down on her bed, and I start rubbing her calves. And I know that I should say that that I love her and then I'll miss her. And then in twenty eight years, I can throw her the best eighty fifth birthday party. And then after that, maybe sometime all explode one big fireball. So that neither of us ever have to experience what it'd be like for one of us to live our lives without the other. But she knows all of that. So I just tell her that in the following November. I'm going to be a bridesmaid in my friend from high school Justice wedding. So that she knows that I have plans. And then I tell her that. I'm really excited that the dresses are green because they'll bring out my eyes. And then that's it. And I leave and I'm on the phone with Jess in the hallway. When I hear my sister, my sister's classically trained singer, and I hear this like lug in the area in wail hit all of these notes. And I know that my mother is gone. And we all gather in the living room, and we drink all of the wine, and we eat all of the cheese, and I bring out this bottle of lemon cello. My mother keeps I special occasions. I figured that this one counts and I'm allowed, and so we drink all of that. And I go to bed. Everyone leaves. The next morning. I wake up and it's the day. That's the day that I've been afraid of. And I go into the kitchen, and I opened up the front of the coffee machine, and I am out the grounds. And I realize that I still know how to make a pot of coffee. And I go into the living room, and I sit in her big blue leather chair, and I opened up my computer. And I check my Email. There's an Email from my friend neck. I went to college with we Email a couple of times a year. And he's asking me how I am telling me about his new job. I just hit reply, and I type Nick my mom died. And it's real. And I wait for that. Big punch hit me that emptiness. And instead, I feel the strangest thing. I just feel sad and invalid sme- feels white and it feels hot. And I feel full. Thank you. That was town. He is a performer writer teacher students ranged from fledgling eight-year-olds stand up comedians to fortune five hundred CEO's she lives in Brooklyn with a she put set her furry husband dog full disclosure. Kate works with us at the moth testing one two testing. Okay. So we have a little coda to our last story. And I'm sitting in the hospital with Kate who has just given birth to her very first child her son Fritz, so Kate. You just told this beautiful story about your mom. And now your mom how you doing? I'm feeling really great not as exhausted. As everyone told me, I would just got good. You've only just begun. 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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 1

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 1

"Everybody weekend were the Sweet Sixteen is said we had a couple of days to recharge. It's a good weekend z. I'm pumped. Yeah. I'm pumped even though my back is still not quite one two percent. You're slow healer. You know, what I'm Lonzo? I'm potential when I'm healthy. Now, you still come to work by you might not be a hundred percent. But you are here you are quote unquote, playing I am playing, and I and I don't think I don't think all your money got our figure, but in what is taking not sure though, I need to go back camera pennies money. He never know. You know, what a story that is what went us. Yeah. Though, I will say the hood in me always looked the side I towards that operation. Look, I am not from the hood. And I am my hood rate. Was going on to because it seemed like a bad idea. Then just all idea seemed like. Bad idea fair. You know, you're right execution of the idea. You're right. It was not necessarily a bad idea. But it was a an interesting idea that was set up very poorly. Yeah. And executed even worse. Yes. And here we are in lonzo's missing one and a half one and a half. I wish you only wanna have games. Yeah. Well, one and a half million bucks in cash. It's just you know, where money, oh, I don't know. No somewhere later stuff die sick. That piece. We can I had a great week my back pain. I got a chance to see us. Jordan appeals new film. I absolutely loved it. Good. It is a it is as intellectually layered as it is flat out scary. All right. So no matter what kind of flick you're into you're going to dip you're into this water. Good sales pitch intellectually, layered and scary. Yes. There you go. We'll do house yet. The movies later in the show. Perfect. Sweet perfect. Among we do. At the movies eight. Of course, we had the tournament. We now are into the Sweet Sixteen and l z we would talk about towards the end the last week that the NCAA tournament at least for me. And I think I speak for you a little bit here kind of lost a little bit of its fastball. The last few years just because when you don't know the players necessarily when you don't know the back story, at least to a certain degree. It's a little harder to get fully invested in some of these games that Duke UCF game yesterday that that could have been played in the eighties or the nineties or at any point because it was just awesome. Everything about it was awesome. Fetch has to game. And it's funny you would say to eighties nineties because at the center of of UCF is of course, Johnny doctrines. Our from do great basketball player in the NBA from the eighties. It was wonderful to see him against his mentor. Coach K. It was great to see the son who always wanted to play at Duke show up and so out against Duke. It was great to see the stars actually show up. Obviously for Duke is Dan taco fall Falko tacos. Big, man. One of the worst basketball players I ever seen at that height. What ensues a good big? He's big. He's tall. I was my Danielle Katie catch. He's not a great basketball player. But it was fun to watch. He's naming an athlete is so funny. I was like, wow, he might actually get a sniff at the NBA at the very least Geely just because he's seven six one hundred percent. He will. But because you can't teach that there's a lot, you know. I don't know how much you can teach him how to play at that size. But that size in and of itself is a is something he's he's got heart. Yeah. You know, he he challenged Zion. And a lot of ways before the game. And then pretty much came through even though he eventually found out some of the 'cause felt with questionable but talking about someone can't play bathroom. Not great us. Well, it's one of those things that even if you don't aren't a basketball person, you're just watching the game. And I had it on my wife comes through. She's like who's that? I mean, just he stands out so much he so giant. And by the way, he had an impact on the game. He's not he's not the most skilled basketball player in the world. Here's zion. Williamson who was absolutely remarkable thirty two points for him as well him talking about taco fall. And when he knew he was going to be a problem before the game, obviously. To seven foot six under. Does he seventy six like I mean, he's a big man down there? So you just have to. Run to right offense for and you know, he played great like hats off to him. He played amazing game. By our thing. We just hit some big shots. And we were able to get the way. Yeah. I mean, there's not much you can do to prepare for that. You can intellectually prepare for okay? We got a big guy in the middle protectorates this. He's that he's huge seven foot six then all of a sudden, you go out there, and he's seven foot six there's just not a lot to do with that there were moments in which he was ice owed against, you know, against one of duke's point guards or guards rather perimeter players. And you would think they would just say all right? I'm square him up cross them up and dry bio, and they even trying because I guess it just assumed we're like go. There's no real estate do cross among. He's still binders right there. Yeah. Right. Cross me up. He could be sitting on the sideline on courtside seats still buck a shot. So the game kinda turned when UCF made the run late. They take the lead there up by three points. Zayn Williams gets the ball. He kind of bullies his way to the basket. And he gets an an one he goes to the line with an opportunity to tie the game. That's where this picks up. Hor teen point four two goes on Williamson with the free throw trotted side sixty five percent shooter. What's up? Let's go Mista. It store. Please. A us. Yes. So they use their time out. They set up a play. You and I were talking a little bit about this before we came on Z that Aubrey dock ins, Johnny don's son had been he had a night. I mean, he just seeing to us twelve of eighteen he was five or seven from behind the three point line three three from the foul line, thirty two points. He was the best player on the court for UCF all night long. Best player period. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. He was fantastic. And they don't go to him. They go to a runner that rims out. And then they have a hip that double rims out, and it just I the shot wasn't the one that I would look for. But it was a decent shot and left at least get some traffic around the basket. I thought for sure that second tip was going down wasn't meant to be. I swear you can ask everybody in my house the turning point of the game to me was to fill alleyoop attempt when they didn't need to. Yeah. It was like forty seconds left in the game. They were looking up punctuation. Yeah. And instead of running time off the clock they try to show boat. Now, I get it. This is what? They do. And in the moment is hard to pump the brakes, and I know a lot of people may disagree with me, you take those opportunities. But even if you hit that even if you hit the dump you get the dunk, you're still only two possessions with more than thirty five seconds left. Why not squeeze air out of the ball? Maybe get a frequent foul and trim ten to fifteen six off the clock that way one you still maintain a to possession lead. But to they don't have so much time. I was like going down. And then he missed the dark. So that was like down and it right back down the guy hits the three five points. We just like that. Bam. That's what I was. Like what day went really really really well coach basketball team didn't necessarily make what I thought was the basketball prudent play even though they had to open shot just because you can run for a touchdown. Doesn't mean. That's what the football team needs. Just because you're open for a layup. Doesn't mean. That's what the best team. Sometimes it's okay to be Todd Gurley and take a knee at the goal line because you need to run out the clock. It was a classic NC double. And it was one of those games. Look it. Duke was meant to win. I guess when when it goes like that when all like, you're a missed alleyoop immediately made three and an one from John when you need a three they take to get an an one, by the way, the free throw from San was nearly an airport that was a bad stroke fairly hit the front of the rim. And then bear gets back puts it in. Then they missed two runners at the end of the game. Just everything about it that could've broke dukes way that had to break dukes way. Did. Yeah. I mean, that's what happens with teams destiny, right? But I will tell you Travis what I feel is to greatest travesty out of all the happy yesterday's Duke. Will you tell me next? I will tell you next. That's coming up next. I don't forget to. I'm back on the program is Monday morning, l z. I take Sunday's off. I usually do a little eating. Maybe isn't the best thing in the world and excited to get back to it. This morning, fitness kitchen LA, I've got my baked eggs, and my sausage and my hash this morning waiting for me because every single morning Monday through Friday, I have a bag of food on my front door. It's fresh. It's delicious, and it hope. It helps me keep my weight down. The wait continues to come off fitness kitchen L, A dot com. Go check it out right now. Travis ninety five is the code that. You're gonna wanna use. You're gonna get ninety five bucks off of your first week with a minimum two weeks of scripture. And here's what's happening for me. I've been on this program about nine weeks and this idea about having a cheat day having a day on the weekend. We can eat what you want. It's still kind of nice. But I look forward to getting back to Monday look forward to getting back on that program. Because I know I'm getting the right nutrition. I know meeting the right amount of calories, and I don't have to do any of the work other than open the bag and eat the food is delicious. I'm not starving myself skinny I feel great dominion changes every single week. And the wait continues to come off fitness kitchen, LA dot com. Don't forget that promo code Travis. Ninety five get the ninety five bucks off your first week with a minimum two weeks of scripture, fitness kitchen, LA dot com. I still don't know how that second Tipton stay in. We'll see what happened was it. Rammed out. No. I know what happened. That's a hot Tate. Right. I know how it happened. I just didn't think it was. Going to happen getting hit the rim. What four times and still didn't go down. Yeah. He hit a little heart only because the momentum was pulling him away. Right. Like you. He came from the left side of the who Ryan tipped it from the right side of the hoop and athletic. What happened to the second tip? Travis. It didn't go in. Hot take. So give it to me. When you were saying the surprise the biggest surprise for me was that he Johnny dock ins didn't give the ball to the guy who is twelve of eighteen from the field. Who was perfect from free throw line who was hitting damn near half court. Three pointers useful fire. I get as your son. And you don't wanna look as if you're favoring your son. But I couldn't believe that the guy with the hottest hand in the game. Didn't get an opportunity to get the shot clean. I I don't want to me that was the great tragedy of felt as if Johnny doctors didn't wanna look as if he was holding his son's hand or try to set his sons up for a moment when strictly from a basketball perspective run that dude over a Cup of double screens, a wide open shot or at least contested shop because during the entire game. It didn't matter if there was a hand his face. He was twelve of eighteen he was your best chance. Yeah. He was your best chance, and I. I mean, maybe he was trying to avoid the giving yourself. But the problem was I don't think anybody would have said that because he was twelve of eighteen because torching people or team, you know, I I don't know why he didn't do it. But it was I looking at this thing going am. I really at a point in my life where Johnny dockets kid is playing against Mike chefs like universes, this how old M I how and he was killing it. He was killing where he always, you know, obviously, when his father was assistant there he had a lot of exposure to do I guess as report goes for ten years of his life. He's on that campus like practically every day right with his father. And you always wanted to go to school for whatever reasons. I don't know what the story is why he didn't go to maybe he just wanted to be with his father who laughs maybe dukedom except of many coach Kane at the he was good enough. I don't know what the story is. But he wanted to go to growing up. He didn't get that opportunity for whatever reasons but again opportunity to take him out of the playoff take him out of the tournament. And he damn near did by himself twelve eighteen tribes. And as I said hands in his face most of the game. He was fantastic. And hopefully, we get a few more games along the way that get us emotionally invested in that because it it's hard to find. It's hard to explain exactly what it is about one of those games that get you fully invested like that. 'cause I don't care about UCF. I don't I don't I I will never watch another UCF basketball game for the rest of my life. Never say never never seen ever extremely unlikely. I'm Cheryl watch them Duke. But, but I was all in on that that that that format, and I don't know what it is if it's just the format exclusively. But those games every once I can't turn away from this. I gotta see what's going to happen next. Yeah. And good for Zion waves in for stepping up and having a monster game when they need it off thirty two your points. He was great. He was great. All right. So the Lakers they get rid Lakers. Win a basketball game last night. Kings eleven. We're talking tournament. I school LeBrun screw run. Lebron was LeBron was LeBron. He was great. He had a triple double. And he says that he's not going to cheat the game that he owes to the fans to play hard smell over the game. You know to myself, you know, and obviously, you know, you know, what the fans Katina Michaud of even. Oh, man. I know we're not making the playoffs. You know, by me on it to myself at gifts to our fans when I'm out on the floor. So you're not just appreciate them continuing to show up. You know, what there's there's nothing to say about something like that other than you gotta admire that this guy could easily shut it down. This guy could easily play the long game. And like, I got three more years here. I'm gonna take my time off for the first time in forever. I'm going to have a nice long summer. I want my body to feel as good as again, he's playing a meaningless game against the Sacramento Kings. And he goes out there and gives you one of those performances for reasons like he just described it's incredible. Because a lot of guys a lot of guys would not do that. Well, I don't think he really has much of a choice. And this is why. He's coming into a situation that was very hyped and great expectations Bill to run his arrival. You have people who didn't want him here for variety of reasons, you know, they don't want him here because he's a mercenary and they preferred to home grow their talent. They don't want him here because it whole Kobe situation. They don't want him here because they just don't like him. Right. So his his murrelets defaced multiple times. I mean, it's it's enough there to know that I don't think he has the luxury right now of saying I'm going to check out and rest of the next season. He's still trying to earn more and more of the fan base. And try to show that he's gonna do whatever's whatever it takes to get the team to win. And so I don't think he has to luxury Travis not from from a Laker fan capital perspective to just say, I'm just going to check out now for the next ten games. Because when I go into the playoffs. I I think he does I think LeBron James. By virtue of being sixteen seasons into his NBA career being LeBron James, and we know that he doesn't cut corners. We know that he doesn't look for the easy out and he has been entered this season. He did miss eighteen games for the first time his career. He missed a big chunk of time. He's like physically, I'm just not right? And I need to be careful there. The people that defaced the mare mural, the people that are not happy to see him here. He's not winning those people over anyway intil. He wins a championship. And that's not happening right now, though, those people that are spray painting his mural or doing or, you know, he's a mercenary those people will never come to his side until he's got that trophy above his head. And then they'll come in. So I don't know if he's worried about alienating them anymore than they already are. Because I don't think there are a winnable group. I think that the people that are in his on his side, the people that are LeBron James fans, the people that are reasonably minded Laker fans would understand him shutting it down because he has been hurt because it's not like had he played. I don't know. Whether they got eleven games left. He played seventy games. And all of a sudden. Ooh, my knee. That'd be like come on, man. But he'd had a real injury would buy it. No, no, absolutely. Not. I don't think it's about winning over his haters, his giving them less fire. Let's fuel for their fire and quitting, which let's let's face it. That's what this would be. It will just be more fuel. So you look at it as quitting. Don't you know? I don't I define quality look at it. As a big quitting would be. You know, what this place is not what I thought it was. I this season thought it moves me out of here. This is from this season. Yeah. Yeah. That's quitting. I just didn't take move here. I just put the word season. This season is not going away. I want this season's going nowhere. I'm not gonna play the rest of the season. No, I'm not gonna play this season. Because I want to get ready for the next season. The next season is what is now the next most important thing whether we win what do they have? Now, they have when that's not right. Why do they have the Lakers fifty two and forty one? That's not right. But they've got. Well, how many games they know? I'm looking I'm like, how are they fifty two and dot now, it's on ESPN dot com. Oh, thirty two and forty one that makes more sense. They've got ten games by. I'm not looking at. I'm looking at. I've been playing eleven months of basketball since fifteen years old. I am going to take a rest. I am going to get ready. We're gonna come back at this. Next year quitting would be peace. I don't wanna be here anymore. Quitting would be peace on wanna be here arrested a season anymore. And I feel as if what you got the young guys trying to figure out who still trying to figure out Josh heart still trying to figure out out of play with him. How to work with them? They don't want people to think that they've given up and LeBron James is the symbol of that. So I think I don't think he has the the luxury he doesn't have the runway to just say piece out, even though it makes sense. It makes all the sense in the world. I just personally don't think that given how the season has played out given how he's been isolated for poor defense throughout the course of the season missing free throws in. The fourth quarter. A lot of reasons why he's part of the disappointment outside of his injury that on top of that being said, I'm just going to quit or not play the remaining taking handle he's fixing any of those things in the last ten games. Doc Rivers says that he's not coming across the staple center staying with the clippers. But wait until you hear the Lakers one replace Luke with. Travis l z as you may remember, I what's lead singer garage band and college, okay? This was most popular song. Really? Yes. Delic? I haven't even the slightest idea I think that's what it is our basis. It was our bases idea to cover this song. And I will take my shirt off. 'cause that's what you did. I understand go ahead. Do know this should be enough. It's been around since Tarzan. Yeah. And you know, like do the rock and roll thing. Offbeat? This is a second most popular song of these ban. Yes. Thirty five years ago breakfast club was released. Really a west of as Molly ringwald. Yes. What was that? Mccarthy guy in it. Now cry. Judd Nelson was in it. Yeah. That was my favorite who is your favorite breakfast club character? I for me. So, you know, Molly ringwald Claire, I say actress oh character. Richard t Vernon the principal. Okay. He was a great. You know, what bad guy I like Jones character the the delinquent delinquent. That doesn't surprise me. Some reason. What about you that this won miss me, Willie this one I thought everyone could watch this one this one missed me. I just you never saw just didn't like it like their other films. This is John Hughes film. Correct. It is. Yeah. So his somebody's other films like pretty paint. Register with me didn't hit me. Right. See that that one got me. He did fairs Bela. Right. Was I am too. I don't know. Maybe did John Hughes fares. Bueller? It just seems like was young every time. You do the the angst ridden white kids with good money. Yeah. Movies daily. Right. No. That was his that was his grew. That was John Hughes a stain. He was like he talked about teen angst. You know from the Anglian. I did not. John hughes. It was it was. Yeah. See all those the kid from buffets. Bueller? Feels Bill is best friend who was like rich Cameron. Yes. There's good stuff going on. He's like Scott out of Florida for so hard coal, which favored ain't angrily movie. Ferris bueller? Pretty in pink. Breakfast club to have. John to just eighties white guys in suburbia. I'm just going with that theme. What was John Hewson is pretty much worth their other songs truck to? Yeah. There were few. I thought that was a good soundtrack some reason. Molly ringwald made. I'm getting you love that ginger. I really like her now like as a as a grown was your wife now. Okay. Now who had a thing and Travis I mean, wasn't my thing back in the day. But I see it now. Now, I see it's I like it more now than I did than better than Linda Carter picturesque. This you guys know. Supposed to like what I said. That's a good choice. I'm not even gonna try to. That's a really good choice. Who's your wife's crush since? Yours is monitoring Jon Bon Jovi, really. Yes. Even post cosmetic surgery. Yes. Still there has been since high school. Wow. Yeah. Living on a prayer. That's an easy answer. All right. So the Lakers. I think we all know they're gonna make a coaching change at the end of the year. Nothing official, but Eder Wilson Rousey saying that the Lakers are considering Jason Kidd, if they do in fact part ways with Luke Walton kids also on cows, radar course, kid played at Cal. They're going to be looking to hire a new coach as well. So Jason Kidd potential. We know LeBron loves Jason Kidd, their friends they go back to some time on the dream team together. So from that perspective, it seems to be a decent fit. You know lebrons with on board. Well. I mean, having the Bron on board is number one. But number a close number two if one as having brought on board one be needs to be player development. And if you look at Yoenis who duck had a chance to work with very very early in his career not that kid had a opportunity work with very early career. You remember that was actually kid who looked at the potential of Janas and says, no we're not trying to make him a four five we're gonna make him a one. And when he did that raise eyebrows, of course. But once he put the ball in his hand that following season. He began to see what Janas could be when you got a kid saw early on which was a guy who if he develop a better perimeter game. He had the vision he had to woodenness to pass that you're gonna have something unstoppable. Now, obviously, Milwaukee has since made a big leap since kids dismissal. But in terms of player develop. If he can look at a Brandon Ingram if he can look at a coup or Lonzo ball and help them a little bit the way that he was able to help Janas earliest career, then I'm not as opposed to it. Because you got two of the biggest things I think this quite needs the Brian to believe in you and then to the ability to get the young player to coach and coached him up. And of course, there's one young player in particular that is a perfect fit, which as a kid will tell you who it is. That's coming. Got it. Did you? Happy birthday Aretha. Franklin would have been seventy seven years old today. Justin. You know, I'm so silly it worth until she passed away that I realized what a finish on this was. Yeah, I was too busy. Letters in the right order, actually. Listen to the words, and I was like, oh, it's got some say. She's pretty good pretty good. She about a year ago. She died two, right? You never take almost been a year. Happy birthday Aretha Franklin. Seventy seven years old today. Detroit did and five day funeral. I think it just ended. That took a long long time, man. It was like w remember w birth funerals going into same time w. As w east of. On the same time. It's like it was like. On who finished last talking about body over here. What you do what you do. Yeah. They did took a minute funeral off. Lebron's in on Jason Kidd, theoretically were screaming he said nothing but positive things about kid. We know that they have a good relationship player development. You mentioned Jaanus as a good example of Jason Kidd's history developing players, then of course. As an example. It's an he's got along with trees. Jason Kidd's resumes. A head coach is a bit of bag, and it's a it's a mixed bag head coach for five years his record over the course of five years is under five hundred which really doesn't necessarily mean that he's a bad coach. It means that he's under five hundred because the the jobs that come open are typically, bad jobs. They don't the jobs with great players. Don't typically come open very often. So we'll see. But who is the guy that we've compared Lonzo ball two from the second. He got to the NBA. The comparison has always been he's like, Jason Kidd. He sees the floor like Jason Kidd can move like, Jason Kidd. He shoots like Jason Kidd, which you know at the beginning of his career is not a compliment. But more just of a comparison that Jason Kidd came into the game. And was not a good shooter. He really struggled with his jump shot and became and again in lonzo's defense. Hopefully, he has the same trajectories kid who by the time kid got into the middle of his career. If he was open he'd make some shots. He never he was never, you know, Ray Allen, but he could make some shots here. And there and you wonder, and it doesn't always necessarily translate it. Okay. You were like me. So play like me because you're gonna stand next to me. But if anybody could kinda crawl inside lonzo's head and help him develop into the player that we hope that he becomes it's probably Jason Kidd. You would think you were certainly think that would be the case though, I'm not quite sure how much the dynamic of the few reports I've seen of Monza working with players outside of the outside of the Lakers. I haven't heard of any reports of him reaching out and really spending time with any of the other stars. I don't know if you have I don't recall any story by any Laker insider in which he has we've seen other stars who who were drafted at that same time as Lonzo and reports of them working out. Obviously, Jason Tatum themes, working out with Kobe and things of that nature. I have not heard doesn't mean he's not doing it. I just haven't. Heard of so doing that. So maybe if Jason Kidd is the head coach of the Lakers. No one's asking blue quantity fire. But if he has fire in Jesus on the list. Seeing how we haven't seen him reach outside organization, very often. At least reportedly maybe having Jason Kidd in-house while allow him to work with the more comfortably. You know, the Lonzo thing to to kind of a different direction this weekend with the story about his the guy that was involved in triple b on foster and foster and lonzo's cut ties with triple b there's money missing in Lonzo issued a statement. You know, I'm my own man. Now, I it's a shame that somebody stole his money, and hopefully he can get it back. But if there is a silver lining to a situation like this. Hopefully, it's the Lonzo becomes more sort of and not just in conjunction with his business relationships and managing his non basketball related life, triplets, shoes, or whatever it might be. But just taking control of everything about his game. And and reaching out to other people whether it's inside the organization outside the organization and becoming a little bit more proactive in what it is that he goes about doing and maybe. Jason Kidd's part of that too. Because I think it needs to happen. He needs to become that guy cause his game is ready for it. But I think that if the personality part of it, if the I don't even know the right word manliness because I'm not saying that he's not a man. But it's just maturity might be a better word did just assume the mantle of IM, maybe not the most important player in this organization right now because that's still LeBron. But I'm right there with him that this team is going to run because I'm running in a certain way. Hopefully, all these things add up to him coming back ready to go next year. Well, hopefully, I mean with Zo the first thing, of course, is his health. You know, doing what he needs necessarily to build his strength both upper body as well as his legs which have given him, you know, numerous problems. So he's past seasons and even and summer league he didn't play the final game of summer league because of injury. So this has been a recurring theme for him. Hopefully, it's just a case of his body just needs to mature a little bit more and. Going forward. He'll soon won't be sidelined by these injuries like that at least nothing its length. And then number two understanding what may Jason Kidd special. It wasn't his court vision. It wasn't him. Developing the shot. It wasn't his defense. It was unrelenting pressure and motor that to me may Jason Kidd's special. There were no plays off. There was no moments. When Jason Kidd was got that rebound. And look the other way the court that you could shale I didn't start seeing Jason kid walked the ball up the court until he was damn near four. It's true. And it's twenties when you had the Rockall he was pushing it, and we know the Lakers, at least Kerr Carney constructed our best when they're pushing. So maybe some time with Jason Kidd will help Lonzo ball understand that you can be in constant motion and still in control the game that you don't have to walk it up to control the game. You could do that hyper speed keep the opposing defense on his heels perpetually, and that would create a lot more opportunities for yourself and your teammates. This is the question. The question is not does he have the ability because he's demonstrated that he does not not he have the vision. He all of these things is can he figure out a way to apply that pressure or that intensity because we've talked about, and it seemed like he'd finally kind of started to go in that direction before he got hurt again that every single time he has the ball in his hands. The team is pushing in pressuring because through last season. And then the early part of this the season that we're in right now, it would wax and wane. There were just sometimes it was there and other times there warrant, and then there were days where he was aggressive. You're like, okay. Yeah. And then there'd be three or four games where he was very passive and him as a pass a player. What what he does? Well, if he's being passive, it doesn't matter. I it's just it's just you know, I have these skills, but I'm not using because I'm not pushing it. I don't know if Jason Kidd or anyone else can get inside somebody's brain. We can talk about sets. We can talk about this. But when it comes to approach when it comes to just motor when it comes to the I want to break, you sort of idea from the jump. I don't know if that's a teachable thing. I think that's either in there or not now maybe it comes out a little bit later. Maybe we finally got closer to it before he went down. But he seems even at UCLA when he was really really good. There were times when he would float in and out as far as intensity goes and hopefully kid can pull that out of them. Because I don't know if anybody can that's Jason Kidd thing that's a Lonzo thing when he's got a fig. That this is what I need to do. Not most of the time. Everytime. Maybe Jason Kidd can be kosher. Hold him accountable more. You know, the one who says I just wash for three possessions. Walkabout the court. That's not what we do here. Maybe Jason Kidd because of the respect that he has for him now that he doesn't respect Luke. But this is Jay kid champion hall of Famer. He's what you're trying to become maybe him telling you, this is how you become Jason Kidd. This is my constant motor. This is why maybe that would be the thing that finally click for an hopes up. But I think it is teaching though, I do think teachable sprints people hotline in Long Beach the morning show. Lenny what's going on good morning guys? You just genius right there. Ten seconds ago saying hall of Famer, you know, an all time great. Maybe he'll listen to him. That's like saying, you know, what will a young jet. I listen to Luke Skywalker or jar jar being. That is such a vast difference duty to and guys. Really? I kept looking at the whole, walls, and experiment. And I'm saying what is since done. I mean, don't tell me walls one championship Lenny because what he did was. He was on the coach tells of greatness anyone as a reserve player and the same thing that he wants championships over there. Golden State on Mark Jackson team might I add the Kerr. He went ahead. Roll the ball out with a bad back Steve Kerr and with great talent. He got on a great winning streak, which in my opinion, alone felt that it would be easy to put in a substitute coach with that kind of talent. And then he's given this talent the greatest player that we've seen in many many generations. And what does he done with it? He's floundered it wasted it. And it's all about respect guys. Really? I don't think. The players. Lebron Braun looking at him saying, yeah, you were drafted in my class in the what round where were you? I came out of high school, and you came out of the pedigree of your dad UCLA and his championship greatness true. That part about that isn't look Luke Walton some of the criticism you had about Luke Walton this fair other parts of it Luke Walton played for lute Olson at Arizona. And who's one of the great college basketball coaches of all time, Luke Walton was a very very good college basketball player Liqun a long career in the NBA. Lebron James, no. But to compare them to LeBron is unfair to judge our bases. He played for Phil Jackson. He okay. So he was around one of the greatest coaches of all time he apprenticed under Steve Kerr who clearly knows what he's doing when it comes to be an an MBA head coach. Did it work out? No, not really. But the idea that they put him in. This position was not just pulling them out of left field because he's Bill ones kid or anything else. He had a litany of working with with. And four great coaches platform is a former Laker won a championship checked a lot of boxes when they hired it. And especially when it comes to implement an office a system that reflected Golden State Warriors model, which was also part of the reason why he was hired was they were hoping they would be extrapolate a little bit of the Golden State late. Yes, extrapolate get a point when you say extrapolate. I don't wanna over the top with it. I'll do how about they. They were hoping still some stuff stuff down stuff down here. Now, he have brought stuff Klay with them. That's what he should have. That would have been much more effective. Yes. Rob gronkowski announces his retirement from the NFL's this finally what's going to break the pats dynasty. We'll tell you next.

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Mom Says  Episode 4 How to go shopping with your teen and survive

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Mom Says Episode 4 How to go shopping with your teen and survive

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. Www dot I'd past detroit dot com before information. Hi Friends Welcome back. We're here so on this episode. We've got a two for some kind of doing combination episode of how to go shopping with your teen. Answer five then kind of roll into embarrassing your teen. It's a right of passage that part. I like both topics that I cannot wait for the second rotation because I think I am the Queen of Embarrassing Mike. I agree well for my myself too. I totally agree. It's best it is around half it is it is but you know. I WanNa just put a little shame on the what to expect when expecting books because none of this stuff that we've ever experienced with our teens have been in a book like they don't they don't have one for one. They hit puberty in your life. Your like your look at your speed little child and say what I just going on so yeah and you know I always dreamt of having girls and I was blessed with two and one loves to shop. Who's just like me and the other one is no thank you so you know. I guess that's Okay. That helps my wallet a little bit But You know an and we got away with shopping with them when they were little it was great and they would just listen to you and there was no fighting back and you know. I don't want this and but up until like thirteen. That's when it was it got bad. Yes yes it really bad. And they developed a style in you kinda either had to go with it and just walk or you fought back and said No. You're not wearing nat- you know and I don't remember ever well. Not Okay. I take that back. My mom and I disagreed on stuff then. She just wouldn't buy it so some of my own. Wear the little you know prairie dress and whatever but So I looked forward to at that moment of shopping with the girls and junior high you know. We had to had special occasions and you know that time. Unfortunately my one daughter had scoliosis. She had to wear a brace so of course. When I heard scoliosis all I thought was that of poor. Joan cusak candles and that all that awful awful brace and they're like no no times have changed and it was like a course but it did alter her figure in. We always headed by up and you know. She was very conscious of her appearance with that. So we had to look for dresses for Something Eighth Grade The answer. Something so like okay so we we plan our day. We stop at the mall. We go into the stood a department store and we start picking out staff and I'm I'm geeked. I'm excited like this is great. Well I think they should just start serving cocktails from mom really good idea. Because I wasn't prepared for the emotional roller coaster that we were all on. Yes because by the end of that after noon. I had one in the corner crying because nothing fit right because of their core set in her brace and the other one crying because nothing fit because she's so tall and being short. I never had that experience. Like what do you do you know? And I didn't know how to handle it so I just. I just walked out there cocktails around. I think Imam or to have agreed. Yeah I heard this me too so I I don't know I. I kind of dread shopping with them and the boys are Super Easy. Like elephants were fits. We're got you know like they're not picky he had so I guess. There's one blessing of going to school that wears uniforms. They don't have to deal with that every day right. I don't think I would be on something really strong. No I have to agree with you and I'll tell you. When Sophie was little I loved dressing her up like outfit and then suddenly don't even know how old she was. Maybe it was like twelve or thirteen. Suddenly she cared. Mom What is that? What did you bring home and and because I thought I was doing pretty good I'd bring stuff home and she would like it and then she wouldn't like it and then it started to be more of. I don't like anything you're bringing home. So she told me one day and I always thought it was so cute. She's like mom. I know you're going to the store because she needed something she was. Do me a favor. She was point your Sophie Camp on so take off the mom cap which you're sophie camp on anything you would sophie like this and so basically I mean actually. She does dressed nicely she does. She does have style but then I look at stuff and I'm thinking she would never like this or and then we might be at the store like a week later and I'll say oh. Hey I was looking at their shirt and she would say I love it. I'm like really 'cause I can't figure out. Yeah just when I think I'm like Oh yes she would love this and she's like no mom 'cause. I am trying to put my sophie campaign that she says but I'm so struggling with that right now and She likes to wear jeans. Yeah she doesn't like to wear like V neck shirts which I understand it. That's fine but I don't know I don't always agree but you want to have to do. I have to tell myself I'm not wearing it. Yeah bring her It's not like she's dressing inappropriately. It's just not my personal style. I need to embrace it and yeah I think of that and I also think of like what what how we dressed and the same conversations at our moms. I had with us like you know people. You are a reflection of. Oh at us out a lot like what does that mean like if you go out of town? But there was her exactly. What if you think about it where we see child? An is very judgy Dressed what we would consider inappropriate. You would you would think the first thing that comes into play. How am I'm thinking when she approved that outfit? So yeah so you kind of you know worry. But it's like these are not my choice. It's like you want to put a sign on the back and say totally not the MOM's choice. I didn't pick that yeah I did. Yeah there you go. I didn't think that I wasn't there when this was purchased and yeah I There are some mystery. Close quick little crop top. Like what would the crop? Tom's is back in jail. Ding Sir leggings as pants with the crop top. I'm not I'm still not sold on it. Yeah I would have to agree with you on that. You're not pants. I guess it just depends. I know our friend. Michelle would agree with you on that issue as all talk talk to you. Oh so you know I have to tell you so. Remember malware younger. They used to have a store called. Marianne Oh yeah and Gina Coal and things like that so we used to take the bus Wall came. I say we used to. I literally took the bus twice my entire life to fairly mall so I remember my mom saying yes. You can go to the mall but I guess she applied for a job at Marianne which is fundings. My Mom's name is mary-anne and she didn't get. The jazz was named Double Mary. She would not allow us to shop there. She was really. Should you go anywhere you want? But there will be no gene Ecole and especially Marianne. 's Okay so our about that. I have never been in this store really. Did you shop there. I did but my Go-to 'cause I worked. There was county seat. Oh really worked there for several years. That was pretty awesome. Never brought home a paycheck so I bought everything there. Did you really? Oh 'cause you know you had you had to sell the product So that was the best store ever and then I did work a Hudson's for a while so I had a dream. I had a dream. I wanted to work limited express then. I have a great sore back in the day. I felt so confident that I was going to get a job there. You can already see where this is going to. So when I got the job with your Molly Ringwald yes like oh I I have a job interview. I'm going to work there so I was young. I don't remember how old was an my interview. Took place like in the mall section even in a back office or anything and and I totally wore like a limited express like alpha. That day was like a skirt and and I didn't get the job. I don't know why you didn't get the CIA but I did not get the job so she says you know like what you have now. That's good that they can be like your uniform. I'm my my uniform like okay. She's like yeah you know. We watched a weird closed from the Olympics brass. And but you know. What if you can't afford a new outfit all the time that's okay? You could just wear same thing every day man that role. I mean whatever okay. That's great because I wanted this job so bad to work at the mall that would vendetta by. Oh Yes yes and I you know I had to do a return Of I fly. Had I love to shop? I had a very bad experience last week shopping and it was later in the evening and I had to do some returns and I went to the mall. That's slowly dying and I still. I gue- flashbacks. Like how sad because the malls were. I was booming and Powell yeah. Israel's out workweek people were shopping. Packed all the time and I had Jillian with me so we were. We're at one store and there was no there. Were no cash registers open for so. The music is louder than normal. Because it's there's no one in there so you can hear pin-drop and I sound like a bitter old lady like we saw wild and chills like okay. That's crazy so we walked. We put it a lot of steps trying to find a cash register and I look over and this line is crazy with one person at this register. There's gotta be more around here. You know for my one little tiny purchase so again we made a full lap around. And there's this guy standing in the children's section very tall cashier and I'm like. Oh where have you been? You know these like. No one really knows that were opened over here. Mike Yeah well what the heck is that even closing time so we finish there and I'm like okay. I got one more stop so we go to in my car. I didn't want to walk them. We look cargo to the drawer out. Drove around the MALL TO GO TO THE NEXT DEPARTMENT STORE. And so we walk in and I don't want to say the means of the stores but Because I still shop at them but I had a I had a return and right out that brain as you walk in the door there's registers and there's this little guy standing there and his little shirt and I'm like I have returned. And he looks at me smiles on the second floor by the draperies and I'm like second floor. I have to go to the second floor in clock by this time. The mall's close at nine. Yeah deader than dead in this place like no one was around like and like really Guinea searched. He's like oh I can find myself. I worked all day. I was dawn. Sure and Gills Chuckling. Because I don't really speak up and I guess lately have know what the problem is. We're getting older and maybe filtering starting to die. Because she would do this. Oh yes and my mother to Yes for sure. So we make our way to the elevator to the second floor and there's no one around. It was dead upstairs like dead so I pull. I pulled my mother and I'm like hello anybody here. I have to make a return. And there's nobody here and Jill by this time with like okay let me just dying and I mean I did it a couple of times and we're walking around all star. I already did this at the first store department store so now met another department doing the thing. We'll have a return and so all of a sudden out of nowhere this lady comes up and she's got the smile like a robot and I'm like I have a return catch to here. It's right around the corner by draper and she's pointing like she's a stewardess like with her fingers and I'm like I had to return where she's like. The Dow Dot Com is that where he I'm like no I didn't buy it online. Okay it's right and she just like ignored me and I felt like I was in the twilight zone laughing. I'm like just stop already. Not Funny I said well if I return it's it's I have a purchase to now like Amhadu an even exchange rate draperies and she kept smiling and the stupid pointing like she was. A stewardess was really really upsetting. So when you guys had drapery did you find it? I did and I said I can return this year right because I've been to two floors now and don't scare except you know your mark now and they probably took my picture and sell anything to this crazy lady and I just I that was created. That wasn't seeing. Its second I had to go to another floor when there were all these registers open. Nobody was even in the mall trying to figure out what mal you were eminent China. Tell me I was trying to tell Jillian that. Like this is so times have changed. And so that's when she was going on about like. Oh 'cause nobody goes shopping anymore they go to. Mo- you know they go online so you know. I've found this article. It's a couple years old but it still made sense but they said it was While marketers are preoccupied with edify it says find. These are the millennials. Are we still if that word? I guess The demographics of their their Spending Powers Nipping at the heels of they're teenagers. So they're saying there's twenty six million teens in the US which I'm sure there's more by now And thirty nine percent of the time Of them are employed which is cool part. Time and teens are part of the larger generation Z. Demographic GROUPS SO BLAH BLAH. So they were saying that Where to teashop? They go to says while they have not given up on the brick and mortar stores the days roaming through the malls are ours are over My merchants captured seventeen percent of the teen shopping time up from ten percent in the fall and then the second most popular channel Became the second more I don't read this wrong anyway. So they're not. They're not shopping at the mall because they don't know how you know what that is totally true they don't know how to cyberspace. I was GONNA say it's somebody percent it's interacting with someone and not having your nose on the phone. Yes but they're saying that the top websites are actually Amazon which I love him. I was on some Fanta other sites that were popular with Nike. American Eagle. Those so they're still around to which is Kinda cool but and then social so like by watching Youtube channels that they post where they purchase items from and Just different what else Youtube Net flicks and snapchat brilliant. So I'm a big. I love instagram. And I've told you before I I have bought so many things off of Instagram as just myself and I probably have a fifty percent What the heck was I thinking? Rate you know going on because the items will come in. Because I'm like Oh. Wow that looks nice on the bottle. I would love that shirt and I order it. I because you can't return back to China I usually just don't it? Isn't that terrible. Don't tell my husband's John. It's a bad habit that I have. Yeah but I could see. Kids are probably buying online. And because it's right there it's so easy after button after my homecoming tobacco. This is my other. Oh yeah this is. I think we're just GONNA be taking measurements and buying online. 'cause I don't know I I was again. I put myself up for failure. I was looking forward to this year. The the kids got to go to homecoming because they don't get to go as freshmen So I could not wait to. You know they're all going which was super exciting and like let's make a day of it like girls and I took Andrew on a different time. Just he and I which was fine and he was no problem. No problem you got a suit for Yup okay. Yup We're done don. It was awesome and the girls so building myself up like this is going to be fun but then part of me that little that little part of my head like no. It's now so we go to the store and I'm like just grab a bunch of dresses. Were just going. Maybe do a little runway. Show me. I'll take a couple pictures and plays music. That wasn't going too far though we get in the room and and one is doing her thing and were great and the other tried on a dress but she kept her leggings on. And I'm like Sweetie I can't get the look of the dress I can choose now. I'm good I'm like no I. You need to take those off so I can get the whole view of what you're wearing. That's just killing me right now. Oh Yeah and the other sisters can't take those like no. I'm good so okay. I'm I'm hot now. Dresses are on the floor where we're getting nowhere because you you have that vision in your head of what you WanNa wear and couldn't find it and I'm like could you take the stupid leggings off. Fine so they come off so then I reach around. Try to help her zip it up and she's like swatting at me like why are you swatting at me and tried to help? You just saw the guy that got it no you. Don't God it you know. And then there was a slip was riding upside tried to lake. Shimmy my fingers up to help her and she wacked my hand out of the way and like that's it. I'm done I'm Outta here so over this and by the time getting a little louder and I like I'm like we're done. I'm going in the car so I have a little temper. Tantrum in the dressing room and other mom who's sitting in the outside the dressing room must have heard me because she was like. I feel your pain entertained. Yeah and you know if there's no cocktails here and I'm over it so I'm like meet me in the car so I get lost at the store because I went out of course my my rage by this time where I was at and go out the wrong door and like I can't even I go back in. I start figuring out the lay of the land because I couldn't remember which door we went into so I find the right door. Get to the car and I'm breathing heavy and I'm like okay. I just need to count to ten several times so by this time one of the daughters finally got into the car. And I'm like what and this is the daughter that was having a problem trying on dresses and like what was going on. She was like I don't know and I'm like this your sister you figure it. I'm done so you get a call and is that other daughter. Where are you? We're in the car in the parking lot? I can't find you okay. So she gets lost too. So I'm like that's it where you know. Describe where you so. She starts taking pictures. Thank goodness we have phones. So That's Colin sure. She starts taking pictures of where she's standing at which was right around the corner where we're at so we get in the. Carmichael cab right there so I started the car start moving. I see her from a distance and to go into our next story about embarrassing. I start honking the horn and I had my hand out the window because I was calmed down by this time. And I'm waving like over here and on flashing lights and she's got her hand over her face like Oh my God. I'm like over here. So she gets in the car and we park remote motor another store and she starts crying like why. Are you crying now like we just went through this whole emotion in the dressing room? And she's like I don't know I'm like Oh my God and then Megan's getting to your Meghan. Dang it so she's tearing up so she we get to the store and I hear this whisper. I know what her problem was what she was. You can't say anything. Oh You wink wink. Of course I'm not gonNA say anything shoes. She wasn't wearing underwear. Why wouldn't you do? There's no winds? They don't have lions in those stupid leggings. I'm like I could've bought some at the store. It avoided this whole debacle So we laugh about it but that was really bad. That was not fun at all and so next time. Make sure you bring your panties. Oh my gosh yeah well. I don't think I'll ever have that issue. I feel bad. I don't know I swatted your hand. I would not have been. I would hire someone next time to take. Here's my card disco shopping. I do my grandmother. Used to do a Jacobson's she had her own little personal shopper. Do they even have those anymore? I I don't I don't know I'm sure like Somerset probably has those well and Nordstrom's like beer money and champagne taste beer money. It's funny I have a story about a Nordstrom so again. I'm so excited I get to use. Oh fees name so last year SOFI graduated from eighth grade so we had to go out and buy address will we had. She had never been to somerset as I will go. We'll see what we have. You know so we go there and should not finding anything she just not happy and so we to Nordstrom's just to see what they have and and it was so funny so we are walking and we see the stress. I'm like Oh my gosh that addresses beautiful so and so forth like mom. I agree I really liked the stress. My okay cool as we'll see if we can find it you can try it on so we go looking for the dress and again we're just seeing all middleclass family you know and it's so we find out the dresses like three four hundred dollars in so he's like. Oh my gosh. There's no way we're paying for this. I'm like no. We are not buying the stress and and I said what do you WanNa try it on and just see what looks like she's like. Oh Mom do you mind? You'll that would be great. I said sure go ahead tried on. So she goes into the dressing room tries on the dress and come to find out. It was big. Which really kind of shocked me. And so we're kind of talking and she's like mom. The dresses too big. I said Okay and then the salesperson comes out of nowhere. I have no idea where she came. And she's like oh it's too big. Why can call no store and I'm thinking And I said Oh no no. That's okay it you said. Well it's not a big deal. We can have it for you by Monday. And and I would like to Sophia Lady. I said Oh we actually need this tomorrow. Oh when Sophie's leg we had two or three more weeks to go until eight graduation and then I just like I just go with me and then So Yeah Yeah Yeah tomorrow we need it for Tomorrow and oh I'm so sorry we couldn't help you and but as for now I'm GonNa buy this dress pay but it was she when we talked about recently. She said man that dress. Oh beautiful. I'm like it was so beautiful but yeah that was one of our first time that we've ever. Kinda worked together to avoid but the ice wear that salesperson just commission man on my womb. There she was okay number going remember. We got told to leave. We were just trying on dresses and like like Blake runway. We in fun and I don't know if the manager was like thinking we're GonNa make a mess or she was mad and we're at the mall. We were just in our go. Try dresses the heck of it and I don't know she was just mad at you. Know we're just being silly. I don't think we were obnoxious. But Yeah I was just like why? Can't we try these trusses? We weren't going to purchase any but sure. I think we're you know those like a good memory going to the mom but I don't really I mean I remember my mom and I having squabbles. On what to wear but at the end of the day I think she felt like she always won his looking back at my like the school pictures. She pretty much one because even like my my poor eighth grade picture. She for some reason was in thought. Berets were cool so she says Perm my hair. She bought me a red beret. And I had this like big oversized yellow sweater skirt on like she picked the south out of it. You approved it like eighth grade. I was hoping yeah but looking at the picture wonder. If Tommy will notice me array we. Yeah that was. I don't know what that was like. Oh you look so good enhance. That's really I had like. That's that's a beret lead. Yeah that was not that. That was kind of scary. See I've got a lot of those kind of pictures and I always think about how we think about now is younger. I used to have a highly happy dress that my mom Put us in or put me in. I should say because I do have a sister. That's two years younger than me. Vote when we were younger? We look like twins. People thought you know so she would dress us in the same outfits. Any no honestly. It didn't really bothering me so much. But now they look back at pictures. Oh and then we used to get I'm so digressing but I have to say this. So she would. Let's say it would be the same outfit? But maybe my tap would be blue and my sister. Jennifer staff would be yellow or we would have like these plaid pants and whether it'd be so same alpha just different colors okay. This is also the same mom that would allow us to ride our bikes over to the hair salon. And she would call it in. We used to go to this place called New Dawn Salon and Dearborn and then she was a Jennifer Erica are coming over to Dorothy Hamill's please and then we will come home with the haircut and had that too. I was a skater his well so I thought I was really Dorothy Skater. I did things I'm learning about. Wow I had. I had a couple of years escape under my belt. But yeah so that would be. We would have our matching outfits Dorothy Hamill haircuts. And but I did have a holly hobby dressed when I was little. I thought that was so cool and I remember because I worked around the holidays and I. I don't know if my family remembers us but I actually trip down the basement series because my address almost down to the long dresses woke up on the couch. And my uncle. Jack Looking over me like are you okay. And I'm like yeah good but I remember 'cause it handle highly happy on it and it was. There's a picture somewhere and it's like a green and blue plaid. I don't know but then you know okay. So we growing up I know we both went to private schools growing up but our first week of school for some reason we did not wear uniforms. I don't know why and so inherit is still eighty ninety degrees outright. Was My mom dressing us up in you. Know these Wool skirts and then every year. We got new. Monogram sweaters the monograms. Oh so blue. That's what she had to wear through uniform. So these blue with these Monte grams and now a look back and I'm like that's kind of weird I think we're the only ones with monogram sweaters that I'm thinking what was what mum thinking what she ordered those. I don't know it was just really kind of ad and I'm just trying to think about shopping with my mom. I don't. I think she just came home stuff and said here's your clothes I. We did a lot of shopping. We did a lot of damage. My mom and I would also bring my grandma so make a big deal about it but Yeah I I have memories of them all just shopping acid and I just feel it breaks my heart. That times have changed so much that our kids can't but then again we'd have other worries of o of just kidnapping and stuff so I don't know I guess maybe that's a good thing that my kids you know our kids don't have that kind of mall rat type of but Yeah I don't know if I'd be able to hear I can't handle go down to the street to the park. Thank can't even handle what we're at a target together and then I always refer my daughter only because my son you know. Is that living at home right now. He's at school. And so we'll go to target and Sheila Ham to go down. I'll five and I'll say Can you wait for me? Or she'll be down. I'll five and I'll say you know. Sophie so features a mom. I'm right here by love. Yelling other names. Oh that is That is the best before we get into that. So speaking of that. I WanNa tell you really quick 'cause I do want to start talking about how we embarrassed circuits. I'm so excited about that topic. So my sister told me this Rulli Cool Story and I wanted to share it so my nieces need. It was brought time the okay. Yes and so They were really embarrassed at the store like they did. Not want to stand worthy prosper. At so what my nieces would do is they would kind of be like ten fifteen feet away from my sister and then acting like they were looking at socks or underwear and then my sister would hold up and then then my nieces with Oh yes or no they were so embarrassed and and My sister was like oh my gosh. It was so ridiculous and then there was a few times where she would say. What about this one? What about this one in? Like she would kind of hang them a pie and my nieces were like. Oh my gosh is so embarrassing. I can't believe I have to do this. And now they you know they're older obviously Chris whatever they want but Yeah she said it was so funny because they did not and then so when they go to check out they didn't even want to touch them like my sister and put him on the You know when you go to check out yeah Seagal I could not believe it but yeah so she has. She had to do that time too. So could you imagine imagine? I can't even imagine so. I thought that was Kinda funny and I do remember when Sophie was little. We're shopping for her communion dress. She was very specific and what she wanted. And let me tell you. It was not in second grade. Oh while that was also. She was the one that didn't want to wear a veil and she's like I don't want to wear a veil and I said I think you have to. And she's like no. I don't know why have to as a I guess I can call the school tomorrow and see what they say. I was really shocked. No anxious something in her hair and so of course I did the you know. You're going to be the only one without avail. How do I care? So she did not wear a veil so she is very independent and she. So we were actually at sears. Looking for her dress and we try to address we could find and we could not agree on one because this one. I had to agree on so we laugh. Onto a couple other stores we went back to sears and also the stress out of nowhere just appeared that we have not tried on so we put it on and we still have it. She will not let me. I wanted to donate it. Yeah because there's Organization in Detroit for You know girls that need dresses. To make their first communion. She was like no. I WANNA hang onto that for a while. I still have my first commuter. Do you really do. And I know some people will make items out of it like for their wedding or well. Yeah for their wedding like the pillows. Because I know some people will take my grandmother. Did she took her wedding dress and made it into the Christening Gown. That's my sister-in-law dead. Yeah those kind of cool. Yeah Yeah I was Kinda hoping that one of the girls would wear the dress but our style is so different mine was short. It was nice but Jillian did fit into. It was communion dress. Yeah with assault. Playtime girl said me I community. The styles were different than along addresses. But Oh yeah. It was kind of a little melancholy. Like oh look at the the. I loved my draw like it was so cute. I was so proud of it but I don't even remember our address my dress. I remember pictures of it but yeah all right so now Embarrassing your team. Such a nice transition passage. I say yes I think it is. Oh I most definitely agree. It's like you don't want your kids to grow up too fast. But yet you can't wait for that moment when you can actually in Barrington suck. They're not going to get like they're crying. I'll get to mean or something you know but sometimes it sir followed. They're getting embarrassed. Oh athletes have to So like when? We're driving driving the school every morning before my husband started doing it and I always seem to have an issue with just one of my children. The older one and it was just. It was horrible. It was horrible in the morning. You as crabby. No but not by any means so. By the time we got to school. I was so sick and frustrated that when I would go to drop them off I would roll down the window and then he would try and move so slow now Sunday trying to get out of there and I would yell out something like Okay. I know you love Taylor Swift or you know I love. You have a great day. As there's kids going into audiences the bat and then he just ran. He's like Oh my gosh and of course my daughters in the backseat like dying. Like I'm so embarrassed and I'm crying 'cause I'm laughing so hard and that was the best the the morning drop off is the best because I love you. Bring home some knowledge and they're like Swastika Waco away or you know like for their birthday. This year I was honking horn and I was like happy birthday and where they get in. They go into the school. There's a bunch of lacquers right there. So even the kids inside pig mom so I love morning drop off because they are in no mood and I am all over that no I. Yeah I have to agree but you know what so like? I'm ticked off for like ten minutes on the way to school and that's it and I just laughed so hard I don't even care and no one time. I did it one of the principals back when he was probably a sophomore was standing outside the door and saw and heard the whole thing. It was the best and he just. The principal just waved at me. I'm like good morning. And he knew exactly that it was not not the best. But so it's our thing I was gonna say so one thing that the kids love when it comes to me is social media some always asking questions about social media and and I follow a couple of my cousins kids online and they use a lot of the hash tags. And I'm like what are these hash tags so there is one I asked the kids. I'm like all right. What is Hashtag H mu. And of course they all start laughing. I'm like I don't understand what's so funny about that. This is still bear saying that. You don't know what that means. I'm like I don't know what it means. So then they say they're not gonNa tell me I'm like fine guys I can just google it. I'm just trying to make conversation. Yeah I haven't means hit me up so So just to annoy them. I'll be like h h w like just random lake. You're an alleged but it should be like. Oh my gosh and so I'll say I would oppose us on instagram shape. H Immune are like Bob. Just tap it. You ARE NOT COOL. You will never be cool and and my son will say that he was you. Stop trying to be cool as it but the problem here is all your friends like me and they say but we don't understand why we don't understand why they and I'm like I don't know what shall you but you're missing out. Hmo So they Yeah they don't care for them. My not. Wait FOR NICK TO START FIRST GRADE. So my this is where it all started and it's been carrying on since then but every when his birthday would fall on a school day Because my birthday be in June. I never got celebrate shirt so yeah. That's another therapy belt. But anyway so what I decided to do was therapy gift. Wrap everything in his lunch. Oh that's a great idea of sandwich like everything everything and the birthday Napkin and throwing confetti. It was all there so and he didn't know I did so because I packed for lunch so his first for here here comes lunchtime. You can just picture this first grader. Right can't even admit and of course everyone knows what to get for lunch. Oh yes so all of a sudden he's pulling out the gift wrapped items and he's like they were just gathering around like what you get home. My Gosh your mom's socal you had for lunch and of course the largest one being the sandwich and they're like also not like the whole everyone the Peanut Butter Jelly Sandwich tally. Charlie Brown. Like oh you got to run. And he he came home on the couch. You're lunge like tell us not nice mom so from then on for twelve years of school. Every time. His lunch has his birthday was on his worked. I would gift wrap his lunch even when he was high school high school. That was the best and then you know for twelfth grade. It was like a little note like this last birthday lunch. And that was it. But the triple sleep. They they don't even it doesn't phase them because it just happened. They know it's going to happen every year. Sure so I get tack your attack. Year and treads like really. GonNa do it and you know. That's my my moment I like to do. I think I only gift wrapped Sophie's lunch and I actually saw the idea on facebook the night before Christmas time. And that's such a great idea. And then she came home and she's like what were you thinking out. Well what's wrong? Well the juice head like we. WanNa perspire it over the papers. And everything got what? And I'm like Oh my gosh. I said it's the thought that counts. Whatever mom whatever mom and yes she didn't care for that but So I had asked so fi about this. I told her about this topic. And as you'll zero an embarrassing moment that anything that is just POPs up. She's like how. How could you even ask me that question? As what do you mean while some my daughter does not like to be the center of attention and we're learning that so when she was younger. I don't know how old but we're at a restaurant and it was her birthday so naturally I said Oh. It's my daughter's birthday. Not knowing that this was not good so next thing you know a bunch of these people. It's like one of those places. Come OVER NARROW SINGING. And her eyes were as big as saucers. They were so big and she was like almost laying on the ground she was like. Oh my gosh. Those people away from me and I'm like what's wrong with. They're just trying to sing happy birthday and I've never saw her face so petrified of she's like mom get them away so now she brings it up all the time and like last year. We were At Disney for her birthday and we went into a restaurant and it was her birthday and without even thinking. I just naturally said 'cause they said where do you want to sit? I want your birthday. Want to sit and she was like. Oh my gosh. He's just told them that with my birthday. Oh Jeez so. I had to run over really quick and I said gases birthday but could we just not even acknowledged as I don't even WanNa Song. I don't want anything and usually we don't. We give her a cupcake and I said why don't know. Does it come with anything. And they're like it was so bad so then we get there and it's just Brian Myself and Sofi and and she couldn't even enjoy her meal because she was so nervous about them coming over and singing and being the center of attention and I thought you little snot. Who Cares and and what's one minute of your life someone's going to sing happy birthday to you and and all the guy did they don't even sing happy birthday there. They just bring you a cupcake. And I'm like Oh you stressed out for over an hour. And now you're getting a cupcake isn't they? Don't tell people it's my birthday. It's so busy like our family because we sing not only happy birthday at the restaurant. We sing in Polish. Oh stole hotter. Yeah yeah and it's just a right of passage like it will happen here Yeah now what about My daughter definitely does not like my moves in the car. Like when I'm dancing. C O hands. Yeah it is so embarrassing especially when Until the other day. Who is that woman? Sing that song something about your hair. Flip your hair nails. I can't think of it but I turned on the radio and I'm like oh by Jamison. She's like Oh my gosh and she just you know kind of melts into the car. Mike Soviet just you and me no one even knows is even happening and I might singing at the top of my lungs and I'm doing my dance because I know she hates it. You know deal. Boxing matches stab style. So I I'm sorry but I can't help it. This is just me and she's like well. You have to respect how I am too. I'm like yeah whatever so yeah no. She doesn't owe now for at target. I love going to target with her. And if she's really snotty with me and if we're not even in the store ten seconds and she's already asking for something then I automatically start doing the mom walk and that's where like I'm holding onto the car but I'm like exaggerating hip to hip. You know On I sing. I like to jam and loud. Yeah Jam Cam rocking out to this. Like nobody's watching. Oh and I started singing whatever. The song is absolutely going to Iowa Four. I'll be right back. I'm like no no no come back and I started singing about her. And she's like so embarrassed. When you were talking about the Brian yes and somebody might think is going to be talking about the broth thing i. I'll do like Geneva tampons. All there's pads and I'll forward we need any and they're like are you sure you're good. You're good okay. So anything just You know but this summer we were out east and we went to a really nice restaurant and the The waterboy had to say was really very good looking and we made it a point of every time he came by. I had my phone up trying to. Oh my God girl and it was just my girls. That was my nieces. There be read these really. Give them like. Do we need to more water over here here? The Click Click. Oh My Gosh. So those are fun. I know I guess we could have really made a whole show out of this and we cut. We could have. Yeah but that's Okay. That's okay But I will tell you one last one. Do you ever watch the show cash cab? Oh loved it. Yes so we talked about this too so we would bother a couple of things he would do but with cash cab. The kids loved it so we would. They would say okay. Mom come up with some questions so I pick them up from school and Mike. You are now in cash cab and many thought it was really cool but then when you could do the shoutout and which they didn't mind really do shout let's say do you need to shout out and they're like no we roll down the windows we'd be on Ford Road or something he you do. You know the answer. Gosh pets all of the window and I'm like but we're in cash cap. No Mama we don't. We don't need that we can just call a friend you know and so. I would embarrass them that way. And then One thing that I really enjoyed while not enjoyed but one thing. I'll never forget when I was a kid. We used to have one of those station with the wood on the side of the woody. Oh yes and of course you know obviously embarrassed of it and so we were in a Burger King. Drive through and my dad was driving. We're ordering are walkers we would say whopper point five. That meant cut in half case. You didn't know that lingo. My sister worked at Burger King for like two weeks and so that was like are. We learned a lingo and then he acted like their car. Stalled and there was like six cars behind and it didn't stall but he went. He like pat the hood and he's like Oh I don't know what's going on and I was so embarrassed I'm like Oh my Gosh I am dying. We are in a Burger King. Drive through picking up wipers point five. And you're like acting like the car is not working. He thought that was hilarious. Go WE'RE GOOD. Or what about you ever? Did Your Dad do this? Like say your emperor king and he's a big MACs and like he'll order like McDonald's stuff as not one on fast food. My mom would take us now. This was a special tree okay. We didn't do this a lot but when he did you know he would go big. He's like my dad. We're not at McDonalds. Oh that's okay. We'll have five big MACs. I'm like Dad. Just stop and ozone bear. No My dad likes to embarrass me in front of boys. Oh He's a total gearhead and one. There was some young men that came over to to visit and I wasn't dating they. Were you know we were friends? And the one kid's Mustang with dead in front of our House and again my dad being a gearhead. He'll just listen to tell you wrong with it. So even exactly what was wrong with a spark plug something really basic. So he's like I'll tell you what you go my backyard and paint my fence because it needs painting and I'll fix your car and they're like okay. I'm like what are you doing? We're GONNA come over again. We're the boys youth. Oh yeah he's like this. Is My daughter Amy. That's okay I don't know if I was in I think in the house and then those dumb boys. They hated the fence like five minutes. I can't remember if I ever saw boys again. Oh that's so funny they spend. Maybe there you go. It is a right of passage. I agree and I think we've learned from the best There are so many stories that we can guess replay on our heads constantly because yeah and and we survived. I think our children will survive and carry on these funny traditions. And you know teases and it's all in good humor. I hope they would mean. Yeah the snarky comments. Or here's the boy or the girl that you like and you know the nicknames we have. I have a couple of nicknames for some young suitors that my girls are interested in young suitors. Who terms and I like eighteen. Hundreds young suitor rhythm bachelor live. Start talking like English people around Your House. Hello I drink too so I know. Time is running out. But that's another funny story so we went to Disney world last year. Every time we'd walk into Harry Potter I had an accent and not like Ma. Will you please stop and so I can't do it now because it's really embarrassing but I I would talk like supposedly like Harry Potter and then Ethan say our Sophie was Irish. I don't care it's an accent so an we would leave Harry Potter with stab if we were in there. I just did it. And they're like Oh. This is so embarrassing. No one is ever going to see us a guy who cares some ordering butter beer with these accents and sophie like. Oh my gosh just Gimme the thing. Just give it to me. Yeah that's how I make sure. Shenanigans has a Bob just full of shenanigans. Yeah so yeah. That's that's a good way to end it so that was funny so embarrassing. Your kids folks. I think it's totally normal. They lead wire later. But that's okay. Listen a retirement. Exactly exactly. Yeah so all right next time till next time all right. Thanks for listening.

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"Hey tipsy filmmakers we'd like to create a safe environment for all of our listeners will not condone. Drinking so please if you are under twenty one crap, a non alcoholic beverage and join us in Iran's about all things film related enjoy. Hi Everyone, welcome back to the tipsy filmmakers podcast I'm your host Nicole and on your calls Tori? And today we are giving the results of our social media polls. We did on all three of our platforms, the head to head battles. It's. It was exciting. Thank you to everyone that participated. Interesting turn out to I have to say. Yes absolutely. So before we dive into that Tori. What are you drinking I? M PNC BE. In I'm drinking. cranberry juice of a starbucks. Thing yet? ooh edits a pretty, cup. Funnel, Break Ray. It's very pretty. I am drinking wine per us. And it is actually I have a quick story about this wine. And it is boone's farm Strawberry Hill. Wine And the funny thing about this wine is. It was my mother's first experience with wine. Like way back in the day. And Yeah and I 'cause. We were looking for wine together at some point, and she just brought it up, and it was like okay, but we didn't find it. And I think I was like maybe a year ago now. Yeah and I was walking through the store and I saw this strawberry wine, and it was like. Did my mom like that or not like that because I couldn't remember the conversation I? Just remember it being thing so I was like whatever I'll pick it up. See what? What she thought or try and remember what she thought and it's actually really good so. I'm happy that I made this purchase, but. Yeah way back in the day. My Mom's first experience with wine. So are you ready to dive into the results and these fun movies hang? Yeah Cheers cheers. So I am very excited about this particular episode, because we've talked about doing something like this for a little while I really wanted to like pin movies together and see what. Everyone would pick so being able to do this. Was Super Exciting. I know in the future will probably around with what movies how they're pin together. 'cause this first time we definitely pinned somewhat like movies I would say. Similar genres and things like that. It. was because I feel like a thorough million different ways you can like. Do these like you can like. Do the same genre but like. Do Different genres or like the same year or like different franchises, or there's so many ways you can do it. Yeah, which film and actor acted veteran or actress? We'll play around with that and in the future. Be on the lookout. Again loved everyone's participation. Yeah, Danced yes. It was so interesting to see the numbers. Because I I would. I was watching pretty intensely throughout the whole thing because you know. I'm stuck in quarantine. What else am I gonNA look at. So. What I noticed is Mama. MIA versus hairspray had the most votes. and. The winner of that one was by far the winner. On I believe, all three platforms can't add them right. Yeah, yeah, hands down. Kinda, the winner, the final destination and Friday the thirteenth, definitely had A. I would say the biggest gap changes, which is funny, considering lows or introver-. I'd say it's probably up there for my favorite franchise movie. Yeah. So and also however I think that one was the least voted on. So I think mean, girls verses the way that we set this up as well is mean. Girls and Breakfast Club followed by final destination Friday thirteenth followed by Mama Mia, so I was kind of working backward, but. I think mean girls breakfast. Club drew a good amount of people in. They skipped over, or some people skip over the final destination Friday thirteenth, and then it seemed like people who didn't vote in the earlier ones. Then we're voting in Miami and share. So, which is interesting? Do you think like let's? Let's start with Mommy and hairspray? Knowing move winner which you guys, we'll find out in a few moments here. Do you think the winner was because of its soundtrack or like? Any other factors. That's a good question. I think it's a mix. Because they both to me have like banging soundtracks. Most of them are on my spotify, and they both randomly appear. Which I love. So. We can maybe dive into that a little bit little bit later, but let's start out with mean girls and breakfast club, which they were pretty evenly matched throughout the whole. Like on the platforms I. Think it was the closest. Back and forth 'cause with Vinyl this nation Friday the thirteenth the. The winning movie was the winning movie the whole time when the gap would. Like grow and shrink whereas with mean girls and breakfast club. It was pretty naked neck throughout the whole thing. I would say. so. The without further ado, winner of that one was mean girls. And I'm. Not surprised. Because so like the way I rationalized it as I was voting was that I like both of the movies like I feel like both movies like have a solid storyline in there like both pretty funny. I think I picked mean girls because they grew up with mean girls and see like the breakfast club until I was a teenager and I like it a lot, but mean girls is so funny. It holds like a place in your Heart Yeah What I like about both of these movies is they're kind of? A fight, maybe or bringing to light stereotypes. And I think they did that really well especially to their audience at the time. So I feel like mean girls definitely. Touched on a lot more. Clicks and things like that. Whereas in that's I, think because they slowly became more like clicks, stereotypes and things like that yeah, and with breakfast club. They were very generalized in what each person's like stereotype was. And both movies like break those barriers. which I think is cool and I think a lot of it has to do with also the time period. Yeah Oh Breckis club was eighty-five. Being girls was two thousand and four Nen. Mean girls obviously had tons more diversity right whereas breakfast club did not know. I think that also. Well, I feel like the way of. The breakfast club was. Put into action or was shown was that it's more serialized. I think it's more serious than mean girls is. Even though both of them have a narrator at certain points, or if not the whole movie like. It's just a different take on like the same topic kind of. because you know mean girls. It's always like. You know what Lindsay Lohan. She talks about it in like a funny way like L. is an old story from high school whereas like the Rectus Club. It's more What's the Word Lake? Is is more like serious, not as many like laughs or anything, they're our. More of like a probably teenage coming of age story, whereas mean girls was a maybe comedy Yeah, would you say coming of age is well? I think maybe like. More just a comedy. No I think it was like the beginning stages of coming of age movies like in this. Decade or decades, you know big as like. v Think about mean girls. It was like the. Beginning of what you would consider coming of age as opposed to like lady bird now. You know yeah Yeah I would agree with that. I think I think they're both. They're both interesting, but definitely. I think mean girls was able to dive deeper into high school problems as well like outside of just. The you know a a group stuck together in kind of a house, and so it touches on. Toxic friends, good friends over the course of a few months to like the breakfast club. It's a day. You only get a day. Day, yeah and I think with having. You Know Katie here and coming from Africa to her school. Being completely, you know completely new atmosphere new everything whereas breakfast club. They were all kind of misfits in their own way with Jay. Which I think is another little bit of a difference and you know. They knew. I don't WanNa say they knew like. their place necessarily in the little community within their high school, but they knew the rules like the quote. Unquote societal rules. Like unspoken social rules that teenagers make up to a navigate life. Yeah, and I feel like whereas mean girls. There was an opportunity for Katie's character where people are telling her. They're introducing her to a world of high school that she's never experienced before, and it's like fat. That interesting perspective, because she's in such a position to you not conform necessarily. To one at the star like she's like blends in to like different clicks. So Would you say that? Makes her character. Have maybe more growth compared to breakfast, club, characters or growth in a different way. I think growth on a different way. I wouldn't say like. There was growth in the breakfast club. It was more you again. It was in a day so like how much can you really change in a day? But. I don't know what he's and. I? You Know I. Think I'm kind of on the same boat, because yes, it a spoiler in mean girls right everyone becomes like apparently all the social cliques. dismissed or disperse emery ones hanging out with everyone. Right until the new plastic show up or whatever, but then they almost get hit by a bus. And right but The Breakfast Club. It's like more of an individual. Kind of growth. Other than an through all five of them I think. The growth for each character was definitely. It was definitely different. I can't remembers but. The there is you know like the in quotes Nerd? That brought a flare gun to school to commit suicide Kinda. Thing and you know having the bad boy right being. Getting in trouble talking back like right, it's but then at the end. I feel like you don't in quotes. I'm so sorry I can't remember the characters name. You know like the nerd then found kind of a new look on life a new. Idea of acceptance. And I feel like you know like the bad boy. Learn that you know it's okay to open yourself up to. Care about somebody else sequels for. Molly ringwald character whose name I can't remember 'CAUSE I. Just today. I think your character. Courtesy things clear. Yeah, yes, but I also feel like you know. My parents always say it was a very different time when they my age lake. Like anything is society grows. But like the the fact that in the breakfast club. The five main characters are in Saturday detention with a not supervisor, but with a teacher who literally has like no. Patience for like Shenanigans. Like cracks down the whip, and I'm not saying that's what you should do with teenagers because like I don't know I'm not a parent like. Compared to like the Authority figures in mean girls like the teachers have idea like what happens. When like the school breaks out in fights around like it's literally out of their control, whereas I feel like the breakfast club, all the characters, all of these teenagers. They're going through. We all of their hormones all of the problems. That being a teenager brings, but it's in a controlled environment. It's an A-. Your parents are overbearing and you need to listen to them, or our teacher will literally probably kill us if he sees. That were not in the library, whereas mean girls. I think the characters had room to manipulate. Their? Civil Rhythm I. and. They didn't notice really. Anything was wrong until the whole school broke out because they. Copied the burn book and sent it everywhere. Yeah Yeah I think that might also contribute to some of the comedy of giving them that kind of freedom. Right like they were able to have regina Georgia's mom. Be The fun, mom, yeah, right? Yeah, and it made it easier to. Allow them to do maybe adult type of behaviors in a teenage movie and then. Then they after kind of face the consequences at the end. I would think. And same with Katie's parents, is she? They were just accepting and then like once she really started like breaking things and Blah Blah. That's when they were like. No, no, no. It wasn't until. Things started going wrong. They're like oh! Did you make friends like they really wanted her to? They were trying to be super nurturing I. Guess of her creative abilities and yeah wanting her to be social. So and I think that again gives to more. I think we talked about that kind of in the parents episode as well of giving the characters a bit more freedom because the Authority figures are removed yeah. And then they faced the music kind of at the end of like when everyone's together. And you know they wanna make cakes and make it out of rainbows and UNICORNS in turns out. She doesn't even go there. Well his leg. You barely see any of the parents and the breakfast club, besides when they dropping them off and the woman. They're picking them up and like even like some of the characters. You don't see their parents at all. I mean you see that a lot in cartoons or just TV shows where it's talking about a younger audience like teenagers or just kids, and you don't really see the parents and you see that freedom, but you also see. Wake I think with the. Clubbing and again they. Are Teenagers, but it's there presented in a different limelight like painting to be their own parents because they know better. whereas. In mean with you'd see their parents like yeah, see them a whole bunch you see them interact with one another and so I just think it's interesting and I think with the breakfast club with the dropping off and picking up. You get a sense of. The pressure that their parents put on them as well and how to interact and like having apparent, not show up is still a telling thing of not being evolved or having a pair of be mad because their kids in detention. Yeah, or you know things like that. It's very very. Good righty right very very quick, but you can tell okay. This kid's got a strict home life. Okay, this parents pretty dismissive. Okay? This doesn't even show up right like it's. It's quick snapshots into their family lives without. Showing their family lives, which I think is good writing. Yeah! So, Are you ready to move into I? Think what probably one of our favorite battles. For both of us would be which final destination of thirteenth well, yes, yes, I am. The winner of this was final destination. And like I said earlier, final destination was pretty out in front for most of it, but then Friday thirteenth would catch up and then fund was. This nation would slip away. For on twitter where it was a fifty fifty. Interesting. And so, what do you think gave final destination the edge? Because something we also mentioned in kind of mean girls. Breakfast Club is the date of making like the date that it came out. A final destination was two thousand and Friday. The thirteenth is nineteen eighty. However I would like to add that these the movies that we are talking about are the first in the franchise. So, what do you? How do you feel about these results? I feel like I. was very like I was excited to know because these are each of our favorites and how they would do against one another. Yeah I'm not surprised. Not many people voted on them because I think. Like how do you feel about this like our generation like? Being Interested in watching Friday the thirteenth like the original one. You know they think. For a lot of it comes from what I can I grew up with, but I understand horror is one of those genres. They you either like or are into more. You really, don't they? Of course, there's obviously some neutrals that are like okay. Whatever a watch this but. I think ultimately you either like no, thank you I will live my life in like a no blood or ghost kind of story. I don't need to know about the serial killer killing kids in the woods. No, thank you, yes. Also you know there's those people such as myself. That are they watch those a lot. They I don't know I. Think it's the something that I think. Final destination has over Friday. The thirteenth is the writing and I feel like something. We talked about when we were putting. This together is hard to find. A similar film. To final destination. It at least on the sense of kind of the bad guy. I guess you would say because then. Spoiler, the bad guy in final destination is death like it's. He's person. It's just death so. That's not. It's not a person. It's just a thing that happens whereas Friday the thirteenth. There's clearly a murderer who just killing teenagers and people so out of revenge. It's definitely like spoiler for Friday thirteenth. If you like, you know twenty Oh my God. How long has it been? Oh, my God is up in forty years ago. I was going to be like twenty years late. How okay! But spoiler for that in the first one, which I feel like is relatively common misconception. It's not Jason and fun. Fact Jason Designated as Basque. Little altogether one sentence. One word in the sentence. Friday the thirteenth Jason gets his mask in the third installment, and in the second one. He's just got bag with an eye hole. In the first one. It's not even him at all. It's his mom. It's it's kind of A. Who? Hides the killer and hides a lot of that until the final reveal. But again it is definitely a revenge. Story takes going and killing kids because her son drowned when two teenage to teenagers were having sex. So and therefore all teenagers have sex and let children drought. She has to kill the whole camp. Yeah. Now that works. I think with this nation. It definitely has that smart writing. And something I I haven't fully like sat down like Friday the thirteenth I have a general idea of exactly what happens in the entire series Mike. I know. Why kind of what death may occur yeah, so and so forth with final destination I. Don't have that, however I do remember a lot of the like. Deaths. Right and one of them that I feel like is a huge cultural thing that gets spread around is. Let me. Let me yes it. Is it the a? Is Surgery One. No log truck. Drunk driving behind. FREAKING, that's my favorite one. Get one is my favorite or like the tanning booth one. Yup, that was my second one yeah. Yeah like. That's. That's what I liked about like the first few movies of the franchise, maybe specifically with the first one the second one. Is that the deaths while? Not that they're not out there in the deaths in hell may happen, but the way that they write the story lake. They're all plausible things that have happened before. And like that's the scary part about it and interest like it comes out of nowhere or like they build it up in a way. We're like you can tell what's going to happen and you're like. Oh my Gosh, how are they not realizing this? And then it happens, and they're dead, and you're just like Oh my God, on those deaths I find it interesting like I remember one being like a spark on a wire. Towards water. So I think that goes like. Of. Why can't they see it, but I think that adds to. The film making and writing aspect of the audience know something that the characters do not Yeah, but I do have a question for you. Do you feel like because some of the deaths are definitely absurd? especially towards. Movies Yeah, do you? See that. Is it taking away, or is it just the charm of the movie? If that makes sense like. Do you see the desks that are kind of out there in wild and maybe even silly to an extent. As Taking away from what could be a serious movie. Or does it just the charm of the movie? I think it's because I watched the first four or five. Out of I haven't watched the last two I believe and I definitely would agree that as you go on into the movies like the first two movies. They're believable depths and I think that's what draws in the charm of the movie for me, but I also think that once you get to like the absurd deaths. It goes into being like that's ridiculous, but also that would be really scary if that happened. I think that also pulls audience. Mean has like these movies they look at death or accidents or just the way people die and such an. Interesting perspective for like a movie. And that makes sense. So. I don't know, how do you? How many movies have you seen? I, don't remember. I know that I've watched the first one recently when they put it on net flicks. Believe that's the only one I've watched but I have I know I've seen the other ones I just don't. Remember yeah, which ones exactly you remember the deaths rather than the actual story that's happening. Exactly in for of the genes kind of the reason why I've asked I don't know why I say that so quickly, but now I'm saying much I guess so. it's they have definitely ridiculous deaths. I mean. Cutting someone's head off in one. Swoop yeah that. Goes flying I think I saw like the remake of one of them. Oh something I'm not really sure knowing the Omar angry like the debts that stand out to me in that like the way they all would gory and painful, and like Oh strategy wasn't lessons. You have sex before you're married and you're a teenager. You're probably GonNa die like what? On the woods to have sex kids who? That's the mean girl method of. Sex you'll die instead I'll do it. But with. Again I definitely with the remake. It's was definitely different because they were. You know obviously had different resources special effects. Whereas in the eighties, a was definitely. got. Exactly, but I think all of them still hold that like absurdity however. A Jason himself as a rather absurd kind of you know character because he supposedly drowned in a lake and came back to life. And now he's out to kill everyone that killed his mom, so it's not like he was just a human like his mom looking for revenge, he's like. A revived soul in a way. Is it the end of the first one? You see him as a little boy? Taken down the lead, yeah! Like looking at it from link, a really creep factor to both of these movies is. For final destination. It's like something that you can't relief fight necessarily an link. It's scary to think that you can't because it's not a person. It's not someone chasing you. It's things that are happening around. You like your environment. Whereas the crazy thing about Friday, the thirteenth is, it is a person. It's a person that walks. It's not a person that really runs right. And that freaks me out because you can do something about it, but when you're trapped in the Middle Woods, not knowing where this person is or why they're doing it like that's timber flying, so and I think with Friday the thirteenth definitely. You know Jason became unkillable as the season went on or season as the franchise went on. But. 'cause I don't I mean I. Guess No one's really cut off his head. But they've definitely. Axe to the head he was dead and then there was this lightning strike on his shovel. A shovel from people turn to dig them up so like he's been shot. He's been through these horrific things, but yet for his spirit I guess still lives on. But in the first one, yes, they. If, they know because obviously she was killed people. But their resources were lacking in considering where they were a lot of before. They realized people are getting murdered. They just assumed Oh. Those two are off having sex. Oh, they're just playing a prank on me. Oh. She went home to go to bed early. Yeah, right? It's a lot of these missing people. then. They were like justified his missing yeah! Literally, Yeah until literally because like there is a storm, so everyone's like Oh store. Going out so is like the world. was also contributing outside. Factors were contributing as to what took them so long. Yeah, But definitely with final destination. You can't cheat death, no matter how hard or how where now or like it is least protecting your your in the safest place in the world like there's nothing that's going to stop it. You can't even take a shower. Like a report. That was like the first movie. Vallon was really far stretched for me to like billing. Creepy, but that Wayne like win i. Yeah I mean what bands. 'cause they used clothing line in the shower, right? been more believable. Hattie just slipped. To the point of the movie I feel like like you said they can't see it. Coming in. That was definitely one of those movies that are one of those moments where they built up to it. It wasn't like he's in the shower now. He's fallen out of the shower. The definitely build up toy and like the person it's happening to doesn't necessarily can't see that it's happening. It's more like the main person or like the people who like. have been convinced and can train themselves into being like Oh okay. This is a situation I can see like what's happening right now and like how it might happen so like I'll do it a certain way, but most of the time link. GonNa. Get you and you can't. And the thing is a lot of the early deaths. They they happen before people really see what's happening right like it's not like they go. Oh, that guy died! It's because of deaths in the plane crash, right? It took them time to figure out. Okay. This is killing us because of where we were sitting on that plane and the order of this. For. Those of you haven't seen it or anything. The first final destination is about a group of high schoolers who you're up per trip, and they're all sitting on the plane and it's getting ready to take off, but. And you see it, you see them. Take off, but the plane explodes and everyone dies, and then you get zipped back in time because you realize what you just saw was A character named Alex he had a Vision Waltham dying, so he freaks out and he like. Gets himself removed from the plane because no one's listening to him and the friends that are surrounding him, get freaked out, so they follow him out, and then they start fighting him yeah I think that there's like angry people start getting angry and a couple of angry. People get kicked. Like a group of them, not all of them and they can't get back on the plane, so one of their teachers comes off with them because they need to. And the plane takes off into the air. Unlimited explodes just how his vision sees. And then the rest of the movie is him having certain visions of the survivors dying and he knows he figures out. It's like death. Death is coming for them because they're supposed to dialogue plane, but for some reason you division of it and like quote, unquote saved all of them. So kinda how all of the movies are like. He extended their life. I wouldn't necessarily say. He saved them in a way because they all ended up Diana. They save them for that situation. Yeah, and so like the second movie is about a pile up on a highway that happens, and then the third one is the roller coaster and so I asked Ford's. Nude, it's just there's always a person who has a vision of them dying so. Then stops the immediate. The immediate issue and then slowly figures it out later to try and stop it. You cannot stop it. But It yeah, it's all interesting, so yeah, and I think I. Think Pairing those two together. It's a good pairing again. It's different killers. Ways of dying. But I feel like the horror genre for both of them fits whether or not because again I feel like for bowls of the movies. Some people are very critical in a way of like Oh. That wouldn't happen or These deaths are outrageous men I. You know I think a lot of it just comes with a charm of fill. Like. Yeah, the shower death with the the. Like it's the charm of the film. It's supposed to be building that suspense. With Friday the thirteenth. It builds the suspense until something. Like in one of them, he squashes someone's head with his hands jugs. Like. Yeah, so it's just. There are definitely a lot of over the top stuff, but the N. between it builds that suspensive builds and I think any sort of silliness continues to just add to the franchise in a good way. In my opinion, yeah! So. Are you ready to move on to our Fino and literal like? Pretty close to landslide. This one was Mama Mia versus hairspray, and if you've either voted and saw what the number was or Maybe even just guess Mama Mia took that like hands down. with let's see. Pretty, close to like almost double. I would say. They? The votes Ano-. Theory about this and I think I told you already. Since. Since MIA sequel for it came out like not too long ago. You went last summer all last summer right? Yeah, yeah I know way. Yeah something like that. I worked at the movie theater. I think that ties in to like why like at least somewhat of why people voted for Mama Mia spray, not necessarily because of like. One films better than the other, but I also think it's because of the soundtrack of Abba because I, personally like I know a lot, more Abba or ECB a songs rather than than hairspray songs, so you're about it like giving sequel. or I agree I feel like. That that particular battle was our closest in time. whereas the other ones were like eighties, movies versus two thousand movies. This one was well. The movie that we chose for hairspray was the most recent one, the one with Zaka Fron and Amanda Vines, which was two thousand, whereas the first two, thousand, seven, sorry, two, thousand seven and Mama Mia the first one was two thousand eight. So, definitely very like quick, too, but the first hairspray was eighty eight. Yeah? But I think you know very close in timing. But I. Think something hairspray. I was thinking about this today. hairspray does with its soundtrack. Both soundtracks are amazing by the way if I haven't said already along with the mean girls, CD or soundtrack Mingo soundtrack. That's good to a cultural reset and you may. But with. hairspray the soundtrack I feel like. If you listen to just soundtrack, you can hear the growth of the story because a lot of you know hairspray. The whole kind of premise of the movie is fighting segregation. At the time in nineteen, sixty two. along with Lake Segregation, and body image yeah. in. I want to say I. Haven't seen the first one. But the second one anyway since that's the one we're we're. We're referring to. That one an definitely on being plus sized and focusing on race issues. And I liked that movie. It's funny to think that like Manda bines was in that and Walton or saffron. Who Else was in that movie? I'm not sure I. Do not have the cast-list up. But I think with the soundtracks with hairspray. You can hear the story in it soundtrack. You can hear. You know they talk about the dance show before segregation. Talking about you know being white. And then as it goes on, it has more like black influences. and talking about wanting to push for segregation. So, but with Mama Mia. A lot of it's just the. Abba songs I would say, and if you were to listen to straight just the soundtrack. I don't think you would get that same story. However there to musicals that are set up differently, too. Yeah because. With hair spray. The songs in the movie pushed the movie forward. In. Songs were written for that movie specifically, right? I believe so. Yeah. Whereas Mama Mia movie came after most of the songs that Abba made, so it makes sense that that one really is. If you listen to like the Abba songs alone, some of them tie in, but net doesn't really make. The story made sense, so it doesn't continue like I know there's one song where the like lead mean lady the. I'm terrible. Terrible today. It character names in people who play them. But the League's relieved villain who runs yeah in hairspray, Colle- Lady, who runs you? Know the her mom her mom. She's shrank to Seduce Tracy's Dad Michelle. Yeah Yup Michelle Pfeiffer, so she's trying to seduce Tracy's Ma or Tracy's dad. And then like on the other side. Tracy's mom singing like a reprise of it. And then she walks in. And then is like what. So. It like continues to either push the story or they don't just stop to saying. Like they're singing for a purpose I believe that there's a song that they sing when they're like protesting and marching. And things like that of obviously, it's a dance show, so they have the songs on there. But I I feel like they both hit on. I would say Mama. hairspray definitely hits on more controversial topics. Mama Mia. In and of itself also has its. Bit of controversial moments are moment because really the whole point is. She doesn't know her father because her mother. Her mother had sex with. Different dudes in the span of when she conceived which. What an icon like! And so in of itself, that's a relatively I would say. Not, not, nearly to the extent hairspray, right? But it has its own trying to break barriers men then at the end of more like personal family barriers. Yeah of she grow up with just a mom. And then she found out she could have three DADS, and by the end of the movie she's got. So instead of her picking one or deciding to. Not Talk to them or whatever it may be. She accepted all three of them is being her dad along with having her mother. So I think Mama Mia definitely. I I wouldn't say is just a straight. You know a fun. Thing I think that it is, but it has a tossed. In bit of I. Don't think people think about it a lot, but the whole premise is just. Trying to find your father and movies. Don't necessarily. Do that when it comes to family and. It showed they. You don't necessarily need to know who your family is to be family with someone exactly. Yeah, I would. Do you! Do you think Mama Mia in a certain sense? Lake touches on link sexual freedom. Yeah. And I think it also hits on Parenting. And the struggles of being single mom and watch your kid grow up and. I I think that a lot too like. Whoever you choose your family to be. It takes a village to a certain extent, people just lake lending a helping hand in certain ways so. Yeah absolutely. So I think that definitely I mean literally was on an island, and they were all like they all knew who she was. They all want it to help. You know I think it also shows the IT takes a village to raise a kid. With hairspray. I feel like obviously the issues were. Government related. Segregation, so it was more. Outside environment. Right. I would say. Which? are still issues. We're dealing with today. That was another thing that interest interested me when I saw the number so far apart. Is because it was. That particular movie in that storyline employ it. is about fighting races of in trying to? Bring representation specifically in the movies to like a Dan show, and then it becomes fighting for their rights. Yes, so in today's Environment I. Find It interesting that Mama Mia. Kind of blew that out of the water. I think honestly I think it's more that just not a lot of people have seen hairspray. That's fair. And I guess I didn't mean like. If you voted for Mama Mia, then you're not. Kidding rights, not what I meant of Nargess like today's environment and it still not I think because a lot of people haven't seen it, or it's been a long time where they see Mama. Mia or it could be more of like in. Just because Mama Mia is definitely an upbeat. kind of film definitely has classic songs. whereas hairspray is very specific yet to hairspray, so it could definitely be. A bit of that as well. So I think it's a mix of mix of everything I just was surprised by how much. Mama Mia was ahead. I'm surprised about all of the. All. Stupid six movies like the the winners of them. All I don't know what I was expecting, but he has voted in. You told us and I was blown out of the water so. Yes absolutely and I think again I, think. Between the two both vary spectacular movies. It's. Like. Yeah! They all feel spectacular. I! Think they all have their own charm to them link? We said before. You know they just. Different writing and different type of writing. If that makes I, guess yeah. And I think they're all in their own ways. They bring fun and also different types of kind of points in ideas thoughts. I feel like they're all pretty thought provoking and. especially with like mean girls, Breakfast Club Mama Mia and hairspray feel like they try to break barriers. Yeah, right, Mama. Mia is like a family. They tried to break through the. Family setup hair sprays breaking through racial issues. Yes, and then mean girls and breakfast club tried to break teenage stereotypes and clicks. Or you know at least they try to bring light to it. Yeah, and show that their issues yet. Most of these films are they have a message, and it's a pretty lake intense lake. You can take it lightly, or you can. Im-. It'll make you think in the long run about things but. All good movies and my book so. I would agree I've read absolutely agree. So I think we're getting to that up point Tori, do you have any last words and or recommendations that we had a message? Recommendations. One of my recommendations. I'd a-list. Oh. I've been binge watching grey's anatomy lately because it makes me happy and. Makes me, think that all of the plot points and they're still out there. But if you're looking for a show to binge, watch that like many laugh, but also brings those emotions to the surface, grey's anatomy for sure and then Oh sleeping with other people is really good movie and I think everyone should watch it because it's. A different take on. Modern Romance? K.. Does one find that movie because I didn't realize I was a movie and I went. What are you recommending? are both on that flicks so? Easy yeah sleeping with other people. Has I think his? It's Jason Sued. Sudandese. Set His name. Let me. Yeah, and and then it has. A whole bunch of famous people into and then I, think grey's anatomy the sixteenth season. Just came out and I'm still unlike season six so. You're getting there. I'm getting there. I always stop at season seven and I'm just like. Why did you do this to yourself but? You're committed now you're gonNA make it through. Yes, maybe I will skip a few seasons, but will get done. What are your recommendations or last words? So. For last words I WANNA. Thank everyone for participating. I. Think this was a lot of fun, so be on the lookout for this in the future. So, we do love your participation for recommendations. I. Was binging. And, I have finished space force. Started! Last night I think. Nights ago. Yeah I think it was two nights ago because I finished it last night. It was a two day to day adventure I loved it I thought it was hilarious And it also. Had those like. I don't. Mean it is pretty forwardly political. Yes and its name in nature But. I feel like it's got. When it comes to the show in the writing, it's got that subtle. kind of t to it. Yeah, that dig it today's kind of society of things. I personally found it funny. I Love Steve Carell. I feel like he is a treasurer and I would love to know what was written for him versus white. He decided to enterprise. because it wasn't surprised me if a lot of it is or a good chunk of it as him being him. Of him link. He's such a good actor and he can play serious roles and funny roles so well it's. It's great. Yeah and I think with this particular role it was. A character very serious about as. A relatively silly. Kind of topic, right? He's the general of Space Force. So. He's taking it super seriously, but it also has like the show obviously takes that. Seriously like they don't. They don't spend the whole time having their characters bash organization they work for. However, there are subtle subtleties throughout that. I mean it depends on kind of feel about politics and film Some people are. Super against it. Yeah, some people aren't and if it doesn't light up with your views than. You know that's that's another reason, but I personally felt like it was funny. and So, it does have some swearing in like. A dull kind of topics. But I personally love the swearing it was. Like. Oh, did drink. It absolutely did it was. It was great I definitely recommend. I finished it very quickly. After. Check it out. Really should really should. So, thank you so much. Everyone for participating in these polls for listening to podcasts. We hope everyone is staying safe. Yes please. Out Protesting Right now please make sure that you are paying attention to your surroundings that you are adequately prepared. Still keeping yourself safe because we're in a pandemic, yes, if you. We should be having. Resources on our social I think a lot of it'll be on Instagram, but also try get it everywhere. Petitions! For information you guys can read about. 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Hitting A Wall- Podcast #545

Zen Parenting Radio

1:01:50 hr | 1 year ago

Hitting A Wall- Podcast #545

"The New Year we go. My Name's dot com back to another of sodas and parenting radio and wireless inheriting radio because you'll feel outstanding and always remember. Our motto is. The best predictor of a child is a parent's self understanding On today's show. GimMe a one bullet point well. Today's show we're gonNA talk about hitting a wall hitting walls can't wait and I am going to share a little thing that John. Duffy helped me just helps all of us. Whatever regarding e-learning okay? Maybe we'll start with that but first pop culture and we're about to record another one we are. We're going to do so for those of you. Who Don't know we've been doing parenting radio for almost ten years So we got plenty of podcasts. As Todd said we have five forty four. Five hundred and forty four. We started a new podcast about a year and a half ago called pop culturing where we are. You ever listen to pop culture and you get to hear this snazzy little ditty and this podcast pop culture is basically gen-x perspective on TV or movies. Some of them are from the eighties. You know our childhood or some of them are from college and some of them are right now. Which is exactly what we're doing today. We're going to do a pop culturing on little fires everywhere which is a show on. Hulu right now. With Reese Witherspoon and Carrie Washington and I can't wait to talk about it but we also have. We just did lost pilot and the finale and shared a bunch of secrets we did. Tiger king is out knives out. Our most popular ones still is sex in the city. Which I think is so interesting. It's not interesting most people who listen to this podcast are women and women loved that Syria. I guess so So we've got You know all the old movies got say anything we have. Do WE DO PRETTY IN PINK. No. I'm not racing off to do that. One either but we did something with molly ringwald. We did we do pretty pretty woman. Yes we did pretty in pink And so we did a Lotta you know John Hughes the most recent one as you said is little fires everywhere actually. Its own knives out lost. That was it was fun doing talking about the finale. During Cameron Adams Cameron Adams Sky. There's going to join us today so anyway. If you don't already subscribe to pop culturing especially if you need a break from constant news at town I have been talking about so much. Is that Tom? I love our self help. Books are fiction books and We LOVE TO BE LEARNING. You mean nonfiction books fiction and non fiction because even there's some fiction that I've read that's too overwhelming for me even if it's not a true story it's often based on a true story and I'm kind of I'm having learning overload learning burn out so todd and I have found ourselves listening the two things that are more like I'm listening to a podcast right now. About the last dance the Bulls. Jalen rose who I love. I just think he's awesome has a podcast and they break down each episode and Yeah it's funny because then parenting which is what you're listening to right now Err on the side of okay. How can we use those? We understand ourselves. It's a deep dive. So if you're listening to this could for you kudos keep doing. We find myself listening to a whole lot of those types of podcasts. Now I'm more listening to like brain dead stuff. Well I'm listening to a balance. I used to only listen to major interviews or shows like Zen parenting where I was always always learning and I just don't WanNA learn like I've listened to a podcast this morning about the five Best Matt Damon Movies. Like that's important so pup culturing is your escape. If you feel like you know what Todd Cathy I love you but I don't WanNa go deep just switch over to pop culture and you don't have children you just have both. Oh in addition to an addition to yes Because I think we've probably done about thirty those you could subscribe on all the platforms but just make sure you subscribe so before we get into hitting the wall. Yeah John Duffy's our friend. He's a doctor and he is described guy. Well he's a psychologist and his focus. at least the way. I describe it is he. His latest book is about teens. But he's always been very focused on teens because those are primarily his clients those clients and He's got such an optimistic attitude and such a compassionate approach to not only the teenagers who adores but the parents He is somebody that I've always felt really comfortable. We've had them at every conference that we've ever done for this reason. He sets your mind at ease but he's honest. Do you know what I mean. So he's not he's not like lying to you. And trying to make coddle you he's just saying yes here's the truth but here's what we consume. He did an instagram live. That he put on his podcast called butter to podcast the one that he does with his wife. Julie's called better and this is a quick few minutes about how people have been asking him about e learning and it's a pain and our kids learning everything they need to do. The whole podcast is gold. Okay I just decided to pick this one out of the bunch and I'll include it in the show so basically what you're saying is he did an instagram live. But then he posted the content on his podcast. Basically just copying pasted input into podcast. So this is him. Talking about learning learning is a struggle for my kids and for me. It's messy inconsistent. So he's talking about a question that is being asked of this organized and my kids seem disconnected from it. That's all true you learning is messy and I've talked to a bunch of families and a few teachers and administrators about this very thing and they would all agree and I think the conventional wisdom in this moment would suggest it's there really to provide a little bit of structure for your kids over the course of the day do. Does anybody really think that your fourth grader or your sophomore in high school is going to amass a whole new bunch of information in the next six weeks now. Nobody's expecting that. So if you're carrying that pressure and you suddenly feel like I should be like teacher now. You know I really. I really need to be able to be a homeschool or and be very effective at this and get my kids to focus and concentrate for a few hours straight in a day. Hey Man if you're making that happen Kudos to you it's not necessary my strong biases to take the pressure off that. If there's some learning it is some reading assignments or a couple other assignments that you can get your kids to do. Great have them. Do It build that structure but keep in mind. Your kids are learning a whole bunch of stuff and then he goes on well and the reason that I love that is I think again. Parents struggle with the extremes. Meaning if we say. Hey lighten up. It's okay they're like what are you telling me this is an important. Then why are we doing it and again as we always discuss on the show people live in these by in areas of either? It's important it's not important and what I love about what John is saying is. Of course it's important but it's not real meaning that we were in an experiment right now of trying to do some maintenance of maybe what the kids learn this year to give them some structure to offer some structure at home for the whole family and to keep in touch with our educators Because teachers are an important part of our children's lives meaning. We are to his parents but kids need lots of different adults that care about them and so to have that contact with the teachers is less about. What grade am I gonNa get and more about? Oh there's my person that I'm used to seeing day and that I can email them and ask them questions and I. I think it's an opportunity to let the air out of the balloon for the parents who have made education their primary focus. I already see people as I'm sure everybody does on all the social networking platforms saying. Oh I was supposed to have my you know this meeting about my kids. Iep or this teacher is in getting back to me in time. Or I don't understand why the expectation is different or whatever there's a lot of worry and complaining and while I understand that sometimes complaining is a type of You know it's kind of like what Bernard Brown says about blame discharging of our own discomfort so I look at it with compassion meaning. I don't think these people are being jerks or anything but if we can also take a moment and be like. This isn't the same as it was before. So quit trying to make it the same. And for those of you who like Oh. My meeting was cancelled. Everybody's meeting was cancelled. So you're not behind. You haven't missed anything. There isn't something that other kids are. Anybody is positive everybody is paused. And so sometimes we are so we have this Miami. Yeah we have an addiction to competitiveness. Right and we're all the whole world is pulling from the same place correct right now and so when you're like my kid didn't get this correct right so we're all doing something different and I call it experiment because it is not because we are being experimented upon but because this has never been done so it's like what we're doing is we're building the bridge as we're walking on it as one of my teachers used to say you know like this is an so what you were saying like a month ago when all of this kind of first happened is how do you want to reflect on yourself during this time because the truth is even though we have a long way to go there is also it's going to end and we will have time to reflect even though it's one of those things it reminds me of when we have little children and people say the days are long but the years are short. That's exactly what this time is like. Is I know the days are long and I know the boredom and I you know not only do I experienced myself which we're GonNa talk about today but for my clients from circle from our friends. My mother my family But it will end and then we'll be like okay. What was that all about? And so and how did we? What did we did we grow? Did we have maybe some necessary breakdowns about what's most important because I don't think we should necessarily have these breakthroughs where we're all joyous. Sometimes the breakthroughs come when we hit a wall and we'll be talking about solo before we end up talking about that. One thing I liked about this podcast at John put out was. He's like listen. He's like every week my story shifts about covert. He's like if you would've said if you'd have told me five weeks. Go make kids playing minecraft for three and a half hours a day. I'd be like yeah. It's time to curb that. And he's like now. Yeah go ahead like what I like about. John is that he's not like holding to his story because every day every week. The story changes based upon. What's going on in our world so I just appreciate him. Being owning to the fact like what I was told you a month ago is different than what I'm telling you right now and we have to as parents be open to rolling with all of these punches and to me he just by the nature of thinking that way because I is even not a pandemic. We need to be open to see the reason we trust. John is because John is has integrity and because he's honest about when things are key even as two books you know the available parent to parenting the new teen. In the age of anxiety he talks about how a big shift that he doesn't. It's not that he doesn't believe what he wrote about in the available because he does but things changed. So he's like here's added information on top of the connection and on top of the trust and you and I just had a conversation about this yesterday and about the you know the We don't have to dive deep into a todd. 'cause WE I didn't mention that was gonNA bring this up. Bring it up. Are you sure. Yeah well just that. Sometimes when we're frustrated we go back into old patterns of I'm feeling disconnected so or I'm feeling frustrated and so my kids need to get off. Technology was unsealing procedures for some context. I don't know if this is Friday but I walked upstairs and my daughters are doing their work. And everything's fine. Their schoolwork were But then in the afternoon they their doors are closed. And they're watching their shows which is what they do or reading books or reading books or taking walk or talk about what they were doing is the same thing as they've been doing for the last since. Calvin really started. Which is they close their door because they want. I think there's some safety the safety. But there's some comfort in saying I'm in my zone of whether it's reading a book or watching the screen or something like that and it triggered me on like how come everybody's doors closed. How come everybody's doors are locked? And I get triggered and I knew that I was coming from a place of lack and instead of bringing it up at the dinner table in front of everybody which is why what I WANNA do by the way I'm like I know that's GonNa land horribly so instead I brought it up to you. I'm like Adam totally. I don't know what I said but I'm like well you didn't start by saying you were triggered. You just start by no. They shouldn't have their doors. Yes I was totally below the line. I'm like yeah. I'm so frustrated. Because why they're door's always closed. Doors not call. I'm just I'm coming from a victim villain mentality like I'm placing blame and I'm seeing. Pour me and then you you know you and I kind of processed through it a little bit and it's all about me correct. That doesn't mean that I'm not gonNA ask my daughters to open up the door but from what energy am I asking them and if I would have walked upstairs and said something to them from that state of consciousness it would have been gone horribly well and let me explain. Say something generally and this is about you but about all of us because this is the truth. You are projecting onto them. They're disconnecting from me. Because you feel disconnected. So you're looking outside of yourself and saying everybody else needs to change to make me feel better because I'm uncomfortable right now now. A lot of parents will rationalize. And they'll say but they do have their door closed or we haven't seen them and that's fine but then you take responsibility for that and you go up and knock on the door and say I miss you. I just want to give you a quick hug. What do you do it? And then our kids know because this is the thing that I think is most important which I don't know if I think you feel it in your body but when we talk about it gets reignited every time we have the conversation. Which is you forget that if you approach the girls needing something they're going to push back on her and then you're going to blame them and that is unfair because win. We go to our kids now. I know people will say. But what do you mean? I need them to pick up their shoes. I need them to clean. I get I. This is this is a very specific to having an animal. An emotional experience you can have boundaries and expectations for your kids but if you are feeling disconnected and you go knock on the door and you are talent basically in your words or actions or just the energy coming off your body. You're like connect with me. They're going to be like especially teenager which we have three so instead we either you talk about it as you did and we connect you and I so you feel a little more stable or if I'm not around or if you're a single parent you have your own self regulating self-care experiences or you call a friend. So you can ground yourself and stabilize and then then you maybe go up and knock on the door and say I just want to see you and give you a hug. You don't need anything from them. You are giving something to them. I feel like the best way. Some one of the people that I'm doing this conscious leadership training. She gave me an example of holding a pen in front of you remember. I did this super super. Those of you are listening. Just pretend you're holding a pen in your hand and you have your fist closed around the pen in front of you. And you're squeezing tight and your fist is facing down to the ground. That is the way I would have upstairs knocking on their door. It would have been hard and rigid and laming cold and blaming and all that and then twist your hand around and just open up your hand and keep the pen in your hand. I know this is going to translate but it helps me like I can still knock on their door but in my wh my knocking on it from a closed fist holding the pen really tight or my am I holding it open in my open palm and then in my knocking on the door like for some reason the holding of the pen example helped me so before I go up and have an exchange with anybody who I happen to be frustrated by or who is not doing what I want them to do because the world revolves around me making you feel you are blaming them for making you correct to give them permission to let them make me feel bad like this is all my stuff. You're kind of like I feel uncomfortable. Who's to blame? I blame here so it's I don't know if that helps but the pen really helps me so the one thing I will bless myself for is I didn't walk up stairs and knock on their door from the holding the pipe. The pen tight my hand instead. I probably held the pen. Tight my hand when talking to you. But it wasn't about you are. You are always not always. You're usually initially bombed that. I see it a different way because I think you want me to be like you're right and I think that when I say but they're doing nothing wrong see. Here's the other perspective. All of that you said I think is one hundred percent great and the visual of holding your hand open with the pen. There's two things that go with that number one it's an offering of yourself and number two it's vulnerable and s and so you're showing up vulnerable and open which they will have. They will reciprocate that. Because we're a humans are all about. Reciprocity whatever we bring as what we get back. So if you're going with an open hand they're gonNA and that's that's what I mean about. I'm being very literal about knock on the door and say I miss you because then they have an opportunity to say. I miss you too. Even if we're all under the same roof I know parents are GonNa be like what I mean. Is The missing? Is I feel disconnected. So I don't have to say that because that then they're like then that's an obligation of I need to connect you it versus. I just miss you. I want to give you quick and I miss. You is three layers below the surface was I'm pissed because their doors are closed and their doors should not be closed or locked right. That's the surface but if you dig down and you know like I just miss him. And here's the the part that I always try and bring for you because we experience the world differently. I you want doors open and you want walls knocked down and you want every beat buddy to be in a circle playing a game. I need to be alone. I want the door closed. I said to you the first thing I said you is todd. Why do you think I've been working in the Baseman? Their same reason. The girls are in their rooms. We need to be apart from each other because we're living under the same roof all the time and all three of girls even though they have many of your qualities they are also half me which means that could be genetically or just who they are right now is a teenager is that they love everybody but we gotta give them space to close their door. Well and that's one of the things that you helped me with and Duffy helped me with this because that the one clip I played is one of ten really good questions that he's been asked and he does such a wonderful job with his words on how to do it and some of that is exactly that like we just need to chill out right as parents. I need to chill out and like I said you know this is that nuance between okay. So then I just roll over and always let the door close. There's the pendulum like now. I can knock on their door and say miss you. How can we watch a show or read a book or go outside or be light and open and laugh and not take life so seriously and even like I'm I'm focusing on your words because you're the only person care so I am not trying to pick it apart but instead of how can we do something? Which again sounds like something they need to do. I'm going to watch the Bulls documentary. Do you WANNA come. No Okay what show do you watch join you new girl okay so different because then they're in when it's how can we connect? What can we do? The pressure is on them and they're going to be like nothing. Get Out of my room because they are. This is the other thing. I'm like gears for a second. Even though I know this I know. Duffy talked a lot about this. And maybe this doesn't need to be repeated but I'll say it again are. Teenagers are grieving. Our kids are grieving. They may not even understand the grief process. They may not be looking like they're grieving because they're angry or frustrated or they're closing their door or they're withdrawing or they're being crazy or they're wanting to be at your hip all the time. Grief Looks Different depending on the kid because remember it's all these stages and they don't know how to self regulate yet or they're practicing self regulation so we have to respect that rather than be like well. I feel this way kid. You need to feel a certain way so I can keep going. Everybody in the house is having their own experience of grief and we need to respect our experience and also respect our kids experience and instead of telling them how they should do it. We should maybe watch or ask questions or give some space for them to find a way through. Because that's what this experiment is doing forcing us to find a way through. And it's not gonNA look like it did in February you know and for those of you who have strict todd. I do Teams in talks These live talks throughout the throughout the month and the questions are always very very similar to like. How do I control screen time? How do I you know? Keep my kid from doing this. And while it's a valid question meaning we can discuss it and process it but you also have to let go a little bit and I know that makes parents uncomfortable. Because they're like but then everything will go to hell and that's not always true. I think I was listening to a You know I read on Tamed Guana. Doyles on tamed. But I've also listened to a few interviews with her. And there's been two people to interviewers who have asked her the same question which is if you let people be free like the way you're telling us we need to be free Glendon if everybody's free then it's going to be chaos and anarchy and she has said back so do you want to be free and they're like. Oh Yeah I under my freedom I want my freedom so basically what you're saying is you can be free but other people should not be because you don't trust other people with their freedom. We assume that if we let people have some space and openness that they're going to take advantage of us and that the world's GonNa go to hell and that's the belief we need to question is when we are given freedom. How do we respond? And when I say freedom we may have like you know like sometimes we give freedom like we have the I like. I'll give an example of when I go out with my girlfriends or we have a weekend together which it's been way too long. We are supposed to get together in July. And I don't know if that's going to happen but the first night is a little nuts. Okay the freedom is like maybe there's more drinking that night or staying up late that night and then it Kinda you get that out of your system and then you just want to hang out and talk and be and relax you your freedom is. It's different it's more of a an openness and a connection and I'm using that as a metaphor or as an analogy that yeah maybe when I get freedom. We're on our phones all the time or were playing video games or mine crafting but then when we're giving a little more space. We don't need it as much. Does that make sense? I mean my like I see it in my head but I don't know if I'm explaining traveling. Yeah okay so So speaking to teams on your so we just did one. We're doing later today. Yes And we've done how many of these we've done. Eighty six of them so tomorrow or today later today eighty seven but just some examples of what we talked about last week. My husband and I are not in agreement regarding how to set boundaries for a thirteen year. Old Son that was a doozy My ten year old is asking why I'm working so much My kids are getting horrible. Sleep what do I do? Where's the balance between empathizing with someone situation not allowing myself to be taken advantage? Oh It's a good question is no boundaries on my in laws are taking advantage of me and so on so if any of you want to be a part of the team simply go to. Npr RADIO DOT COM. We're doing a free month in honor of Cova which just putting the coupon code friend F. R. E. E. N. D. and it'll be a free month and you can just see what it's like because being a member of the team you get to choose how you participate like our. Our tagline is zero pressure one hundred percent support. Meaning that you come in and decide whether you know you wanna be on the live talks and ask a bunch of questions and be really a big participant there or you. Just come in and listen or you wait for that live. Talk to become a podcast that gets downloaded to your podcast APP. You can use the facebook page desk question support other people or just kind of be a voyeur. So you get to choose but what todd. I've been really happy about or I'll say we were kind of Grateful that we had developed this community a couple years ago so we were win this you know when cove it happened? We already had this community of people who you know. Were there to support each other and people from all over the world so we're hearing from people you know in different countries about their experience and it's the same. I mean we're all the same but it's just nice to have that kind of connection a global connection. Yeah we'd love to see you and then the other thing is the tribe men's group I'm doing a facilitating tomorrow. Night's meeting we're GonNa Talk About Atomic Habits. Which is cultivating the good ones. And then figuring out how to reduce or decrease or eliminate the bad ones. So if you're a guy go to try men's Group. Dot Org and sign up or shoot me an email todd at tribe. Men's group DOT CA tribe men's group dot or people. Just come into a tribe meeting and listen or do they have to like actively participate. No I mean everybody's on their some guys hide their camera so but we we do a check in like we you know say. Hey Todd check in with feeling or todd check in with your favorite food or something like that so we do try to bring people in so it's really not if you just want to sit there and be a voyeur. We do ask at least a minimum amount of contribution or or to be a part of it for someone who wants to join. I'm really asking Russian because you know I get very like you know what to do that. In the words of John Locke in the words of John. Locke don't tell me what I can't do is that whenever I'm going to join a group. I want to be able to choose how I interact like. I'm taking a class a writing class right now online that I'm really excited about but the reason I took it is because I don't have to be participate the way I watched a really good question. the answer. Is we ask for a minimal amount of contribution which is basically. Say Your name where you're from and you know whatever the check in is but other than that we don't like calling you say. Hey what do you think about that Joe? Okay but yeah but we want people to feel connected to one another so. It's not like a Webinar right. It's a it's a virtual call a virtual meeting. Will I feel like what always pushing and I am? Not a member of the tribe. You guys did on an honorary member but what I'm always kind of pushing you to think about. Is that when you say we WANNA connect people is one hundred percent here that and that is the goal but can people choose win. They connect and how they connect rather than being forced to. The win is for sure because I belong to some Some other men's groups where there's a lot of accountability like you have to show up every Wednesday. That's not what this is. You show up when you want but when you do show up we ask you to say your name and whatever else would is we're asking. Well I think it lends to this question that we were just talking about you. Know with freedom and the interviews at Glennon gave is that I think if we trust the people win. They're ready show up for that we then don't beat our heads against the wall saying I'm trying to build connection. Please connect please connect it's similar. Just run the thread through it like I always like to do. It's like you thinking initially not anymore that you need to somehow create you need to force the girls to connect with you versus. Let me just tell them? I love them and allow connection to occur. And so that's you and I You Know Jack and Locke over here tonight pretend where the characters from lost. Is your very literal about. This is how you connect. And here's here's the atomic. And here's the phrase and here's what we do and I'm just like let go of all of it right. Well it's interesting I didn't plan on. We use this within the board of the tribe. Men's group there's this example metaphor that we use called the vegetarian restaurant so like there's a vegetarian restaurant and we think the tribe is the veget- because it's not mainstream guys connecting with other guys. It's just not something. It's a little off the but there's a lot of people out there that like vegetarian restaurants. We're just trying to make sure that they know that. Hey there's vegetarian restaurant in town if Casey WanNa check it out and then there's other men who don't even know how good vegetarian restaurant can taste. So that's the other thing like you know. Some people know that they would like to try to be a vegetarian. Other men have no idea how good so what I say that because we've been cultural culturally conditioned to not want to connect with one another in an authentic way. Okay men out there that if they just got a taste of the vegetarian restaurant they'd be like. Oh my God. That's pretty sweet. Okay so I think what I can kind of pull back on then is the fact that I have been culturally conditioned to connect so for me I would like the freedom to do it in my own way because the cultural the Cultural Mike. Cultural norms have been forced. You have to be nice. You have to show up. You have to take care of people you have to be there. You have to be the mother you have to be the good friend and I feel often very put upon that. The expectation is very high. And so I'm I'm responding to your perspective and you're trying to say we don't have. Nobody's expecting us to do anything. So we kind of have to say do something. Yeah Okay I hear that. That's a good talk through. So yeah anyways so tribe men's group DOT. Org Really happy about where it's been going we've been doing weekly free calls tomorrow. Night is actually a member call but you pay fifteen bucks but every other Wednesday A. It's free for anybody. Just shoot me an email and I'll tell you what's up so I think it's very interesting that you just told me that the number podcast were on is five forty four because for the past two days I have been seeing forty four and four forty four okay over and over and over again okay and normally the numbers. I see our one eleven or eleven eleven and those have always been my angel numbers whereas lately it's been forty four and four forty four And I finally got you know I used to have angel books way back when but either sold the mark gave them away so now. I have this lovely thing called kindle which I told Todd is Kinda like having a bowl of candy because I can just get whatever I wanted to go library. You don't have to wait two days for Amazon. Prime I constantly and I know everybody knows what it kindle is making fun of myself because Todd gave me a kindle five years ago as a gift and I now he uses it and anybody who offered me a kindle. I wouldn't take it. I like books but in a pandemic we change things because I need access to books so I looked up angel numbers in four forty four lately. I've been kind of really you know more meditation. More prayer is really just. According to a lot of interpretations there's many interpretations of it but the one that I kind of pieced together was a reminder that your support system is all around you at all times so I've been kind of asking for signs and the signs. I'm getting our were here all the time like in so. I just find that fun that that that would come up so you want to talk about hitting a wall. Yes I love hitting walls my favorite. You hit a wall last week when I get frustrated. May Girls for shutting their doors. Well and I've hit more than one like I. I kind of feel like now. We've been doing this for almost A. Let's see you and I winded. Winded school close. May Sixth March the excuse me March sixth. So it's been at least six weeks five weeks seventh week of some form of quarantine. Yeah you and I kind of quarantined early Comparative to some places. So we've may be better doors a little longer. But we so walls Let me just say this kind of the theme of what we're going to discuss that if you've hit a wall correct you're hitting a wall because it's probably time and if you've hit three or four maybe five or one a week. It's very human like the expectation that you should be. Managing this experiment without hitting wall without hitting walls is ridiculous. Like every you know if I'm GONNA STICK WITH THE EXPERIMENT METAPHOR. Every researcher like it's walls constantly like the people who are trying to figure out a and medications are hitting walls constantly and what does the wall? Then do it redirects you and this is kind of the understanding that I want people to have is that hitting the wall is not an end. It is the redirection it's like walking through a labyrinth or amazed and then you hit a wall and you go. I don't go I can't because you may said but I've been going this way for the past week and this has been working but then you hit the wall and it doesn't mean you wasted the last week. It means this way that you were going now doesn't work anymore. As of this moment is that is not working correct. It's over and you have to redirect and find a new way through the maze or through the labyrinth and I think that what I want to take off. People's plate is the idea that they're failing Because you might feel like you're flailing which we all are W- but the the wall may be your necessary. You may have a full breakdown like cry or you may just get frustrated or you may just go shit like again You don't have to have a certain response but it may mean that you need to go sleep. It may mean that you need to call a friend or it may mean that you need to readjust. Your expectations will for me as long as I mean. Just talking about this right now. It's almost like Oh yeah. You're not supposed to not wall and so when it happens to all of us to me to you to anybody listening tomorrow next week like as long as we would like just remember said. Oh yeah this is normal here. There's the wall there's the wall like walk through your house and just a straight line you're GONNA hit a wall eventually and I'm using that as just an example of in life even when I'm taking walks like because that's all any of us ever do type pass by our neighbors. We'll take another walk. We walk constantly is eventually even. If you don't hit a wall you hit a building which is all I guess you run into something and that tells you redirect and I think what I found from my clients that I've been talking to people on teams then is that they're like so angry that they're old methods are not working and I'm using the word anger on purpose. They're like pissed about it like I used to do this. And I used to say this and this doesn't work or this you know. I used to be able to buy the kind of pasta I wanted and and I used to be able to find yeast when I wanted. And it's like but that doesn't that's not now and it doesn't mean you may need to buy bread this week rather than make bread and and I'm using that because it's a very gentle yeah example and that's okay like you're still the these are I think. The the suffering as we know is the refusal to accept what is and so then you suffer in it as if it shouldn't be this way but it is this way now you can cry like I don't look at people go. What's your problem like I look at people go? Yeah I would cry about that too because we've come to depend on that and that makes us sad but the crying. You're crying because of failure. You're crying because you need to release all that pent up energy so then you can have some space to turn right or left crime because you're uncomfortable correct so again. I want to talk about the letting go of belief and I think this is connected to Duffy. And what he was saying about that. The ability to first of all experience hitting a wall is not a failure and then the ability to readjust would necessary rather than holding on to old habits old ways of doing us. Even if it's like when we say ways that's more of a doing and I would take it a layer below and be like just the way of being like where you can't be happy and less this happens or you aren't satisfying unless you have this outcome and that there is a if we're if we are strong enough. I don't know if I'd like to say that way. If we can be gentle with ourselves through this process we may develop some muscles or habits. That can help us after this pandemic to hope. So you know what I mean like that right now we feel like were. We've got this reason that we are completely not in control of we're basically out of control right. Yeah and but if we can develop some habits and some sense of vulnerability and that we're asking for help when we need it or having a good crier getting good sleeper allowing ourselves to sleep in or lessening our pressure on our kids maybe we can take all that into the space of what we're going to be if we're lucky like of course there's going to be lessons as a as a result of this time and united had conversations about this like. I hope we don't go back to where we were. I hope we become a one hundred percent smarter. But you know. In the words of Dan Harris we'd be ten percent smarter right after this is all said and done and that's my hope and so you know kind of jumping over to the end already but even let's take it in so that's the macro. So let's go to the micro. Which is today. I was a little hard at my kits. Why was I heard of my kids? Is it really that they're doing everything wrong or manipulating me or taking advantage or is it that? I feel out of control and I'm not loosening the pen in my grip and maybe tomorrow I can do this ten percent better so like the macro is you and I saying. Let's take the best lessons from this and take them into twenty one and twenty twenty two but I think hitting a wall is also just about. How can I do things better at four o'clock today you know? Yeah tomorrow you'RE GONNA get another curve ball thrown your way correct. How you adjust to that you know we talked about this on teams and all the time but re pausing recognizing where you are right now right now. I'm mad. Can you accept the fact that you're mad and most of us can't accept it? I was I was. I couldn't accept my anger towards my daughter's because their doors were closed. I couldn't accept that at all instead. I at least I had the intuition to not storm into their room. I I need to talk to you about it and thankfully we had a chance to do that. But you know the first partisan recognition like where am I right now? I'm pissed because my kids doors are closed. Is that really something that is is is your anger really about that or does about something else it turns out it was about. I miss my daughter's And then probably some other childhood baggage well and I was Gonna say that that is the truth but really underneath that is I feel disconnected from everybody and I'm because my daughters are in this house and Kathy Urine this House. I'm going to kind of make your fault that I feel disconnected. So that's like there's like all these like levels of disconnection and digging keep digging. Keep digging their way down deep into the seed so this and I'm going to say this but I'm going to preface it by saying this is not. I'm not trying to add another thing to your list by saying this. I just want to give you perspective on the fact that you know something. That's super important about parenting is that our kids are watching us right. So they're watching us all the time and we can't get away from map and what that means is we need to demonstrate to them what it means to be human. We don't need to demonstrate to them what it means to be perfect or happy all the time or have everything controlled or to have a great list You know it's funny. We're GONNA talk about on pop culture in this little fires everywhere and I was as we were watching reese witherspoon being the type a mom and she had like the perfect board and color coded and I know people who probably looked at that and said Oh my God I want that. Not necessarily her experience because she was pretty tough but they want the color quarter board. You're talking about the Board Lake of responsibilities. Who's doing what doing what? Hell Anders had color coded lunch bags. She and I know people who looked at that and like coveted that coveted because in my judgment. That's the only way they can feel comfortable in their skin correct. I'm an if I'm in control than I am in control. And so that's not and you know spoiler with the little fires everywhere. I won't go there now but it's not necessarily the best way to teach your children how to be human because there's nothing human about that that is about control and manipulation and force and this opportunity when we're hitting walls is saying to our kids. I'm hitting a wall and showing them or saying to them. You're not putting it on them. They're not there to solve it but you're giving them permission to say. I'm heading a wall and you're demonstrating what you do after you hit a wall. So I'm telling you this not to put it on your parenting checklist but to realize when you hit a wall. You'RE NOT FAILING ANYBODY. You're actually being a good role model because I mean even your little bitty kids like even your three year olds and two year olds. It's okay if mom has a day where she's like lying flat on the floor. I remember doing this a few times like I would literally be flat on the floor in the family room and the kids being one two or three with like walk over me. Walk Around Me Mama. What's wrong what's wrong? I'd be like I'm tired. I'm tired I hit a wall. I don't know if I use that word or that language but I be like I am done and and I and I allowed myself to laugh about it. I allowed them to lay with me like I didn't pretend that I was always on. So can you talk about the nuance of that? Because what you just said was healthy but that can easily go on healthy and that our kids are picking up the pieces that we can't keep ourselves. I guess the pieces that you have to be thoughtful about our number one dumping on our kids where they think they need to take care of us. There's a big. There's always kind of this wall that I have when it comes to my kids and I'm talking to them about my issues. It's very similar to how I how you and I do some parenting as I don't talk about something then parenting until I feel resolved enough to talk about it. Meaning if I came on parenting and talked about a problem that I was in the middle of and struggling with then I would care a lot. About what all of you listeners thought it and I always care what you think but what I mean is I would be too vulnerable. I'd be too raw and any feedback would probably hurt me whereas if I come on and I share something that I feel in myself even if it's not literally resolved in myself unresolved then your feedback doesn't knock me over because I'm like well. This is the way I wanted to manage. I feel so I'm that's the kind of while I have with my kids where I don't like the Word Wall. It's the kind of boundary. I have where I don't go to them in the midst of chaos so just to push back a little bit you give me an example of you lay flat on the floor or tanks like you're out of energy so when you're you're showing your kids metaphorically you're laying flat on the floor. It says like MOM's Outta gas it is but I think the nuance is that. I'm not saying I'm not crying on the floor saying kids. You need to go to your room. Save me I'm laughing. I'm like I'm done. I have enough of a boundary that I'm not looking at and again can this boundary cross. Sometimes yeah like in the midst of grief like say say someone. I just got bad news and I had a total breakdown running my kids. That happens like that. It's not that we can you know again. This is the thing about life. It's messy gray. But in a typical situation. My kids are not who I depend on to make me feel better go pieces but I can be human in front of and that's the subtle nuance that we're talking correct. And so I don't knock on my seventeen year olds door and say I need to talk to you about something. I'm sad about what she's there for. But she may talking to me about something with her. And I'll say you know what I was talking to your dad or miniature gesture somebody about that. I was struggling without last week. So I can relate to her but I'm not doubling on MIRA exactly and it's okay to say to your kids I've hit a wall. I'm tired I want to go to bed because that's not dumping on them. That's just being honest and it's very subtle and you in this is why this whole thing is a practice because you have to be willing to even know what you're feeling. I right and sometimes if you own it can be a time to be like you know what I'm GonNa see. I'M GONNA figure out if possible how I can have some alone time even in our own house. I'M GONNA figure out I'm going to go for a walk by myself. I'M GONNA whatever it may be because But just getting back to the fact that even being able to name what we're feeling is like a st not only gives kids new words to define the way. They're feeling if you can't do that. You're not you're not going to get anywhere. You can't hop over that stuff. Correct naming is a great modeling practice like naming. I'm tired I see because a lot of people use stressed overwhelmed. Tired as these general language. That people can't really relate to because they're like so many feelings and one so was funny because in one of these Tribe virtual meetings one of the guys. I said you know check in with your name where you're from and one feeling and the guy said victimized unlike sorry it's not GonNa Work You. GotTa give me anger sadness. Fear Joy like those four for me that might be annoying to whoever? I'm talking to but for me. I need simplicity and victimize not a feeling. That's a story you made up. Yes that's well that's A. That's an interpretation interpretation but we'll give me the feeling and the these are the four that I'm working with so when I'm trying to you know like when I was working through the the doors being closed. I'm just sad because I feel disconnected from my daughter's like I don't know if I said that to you I think I may i. May it said something to that? Well you the way you always start and this is the reflection back that you don't like because I think you're trying to share a bunch of different things at once. Is You blame them? Sure you get mad at them so that is not i. Miss them know it took me a while to get there right in the beginning of the conversation it was because their doors are closed. You were basically trying to connect with me about. Don't you think it's horrible? They're doing that and I was like no. I don't but by the end I Mike. You are totally in the end. Yeah you were totally like you more like talking about it. Help Todd identify his word. So Todd just said when the guy in the tribe said he was victimized that Todd said give me happy Finger sadness joy fear so and I just posted something on our teams en page the other day. About how much lives inside of those words like you love the simplicity which I appreciate but just let me talk about the word `sad for a second sad can mean board empty ashamed. Powerless isolated vulnerable indifferent. Abandoned depressed ignored or lonely. And those are just the tip of the iceberg meaning that sometimes even sad is too general like in the in the scope of a tribe meeting that makes sense. It's a good place to start but when you are really thinking about yourself when I feel frustrated at someone I'm like okay. Why am I being triggered this way because I feel like they're abandoning me? I've sad but and then just a few others. Just you guys get idea. Anger could be hurt. Disgust feeling threatened. Frustrated embarrassed embarrassment. Always go straight to anger as soon as you're embarrassed if that's not resolved or if you can't laugh it off. It goes straight to anger Irritated provoked resentful and then a positive one again feelings aren't positive or negative but the one that feels better a peaceful I feel peaceful content loving relaxed thankful trusting thoughtful sentimental nurturing so like under each feeling there's all sorts of other feeling words and if you can get down to the core of what it really is you're feeling that's a great role modeling for not only yourself but for your kids for Sir because they it's a very once you name what you're feeling then you know what to do about it and even just saying it out loud like I just wrote something. Today Is a sentence I liked and I'm not quite sure I can get it out. It was something to the effect of like the hard work is in the speaking. The healing is in the being heard. Meaning you don't really need someone problem solving the way you feel. I tend to do that for the girl sometimes. I shouldn't. I'm constantly trying to help them. Figure it out but the hard work is in the naming and the owning of the feeling because a lot of us want to be like no. I'm not mad. No I'm not saying I'm mad. You know we're very defensive but if we can own it the healing comes from just being heard that we have that feeling and we don't need to win. You're telling me that you're feeling disconnected me too saying yeah and we talked about a lot more than that you and I went much deeper into it. But that so if your kid comes to you I guess what I'm trying to offer to. Parents is if your kid comes to you and says that they're sadder they're grieving there. Mr Teacher instead of figuring out a way that you could drive by the teacher's house in five minutes in solve it instead be like yeah I I missed the night before that but in in conjunction with that is you gotTA check in with yourself. Your kid just said that. She's sad because she misses her teacher. Odds are that's probably going to make a little sad because somebody I love is sad so you gotta check in with yourself like wow that makes me sad a little bit now that you have to say that to your kid but you just need to like where am I in this moment. She said she was really really sad. And I have a tendency kind of what you just said is to problem solve. Let's fix this. Not because I want you to be joyful because I can't stand myself on this feeling Yeah and you know. This is the development of empathy. You know there's a lot of people who say that they've been saying this for years like I used a book and one of my college classes called born to love and the whole book was about how we're hard wired for empathy but we're having an empathy crisis because we're having a hard time relating to other people. The practice of strengthening our empathy muscles is when someone says. They're sad because they missed their teacher. Hugh can actually I? You know I tend to put my hand on my heart but you can actually say I'm feeling that with you that I i. I don't necessarily miss your teacher. You'll have to say this part but I feel that you hurt. And then that is empathy. You are feeling a feeling you have felt before that somebody else's displaying and you don't end the and again the nuanced part is you don't have to go into it with them. You don't have to solve it and you don't even have to break down and cry with them. You just relate and validate The people who even someone I love like Adam Grant. Who's a researcher? He went so far to say that empathy is a problem. I don't agree. I think that there's people say that empathy is a problem because we get empathy overload. And then we can't help ourselves. I think that's way too. I think that we have the ability to feel with someone and not become overwhelmed by return. But it's a practice. I mean I. I'm saying that as a recovered per not fully recovered but partially recovered from that can progress right. But I would hate to lose that connection to people for sure. So we're GONNA play something. What what was the name of that book you said? I called born to love I. Just I got spacey my mind because we started talking about Dr Joffe. I know this is born too. So we're on our end. Is there anything else that you wanted to share? Well I guess just you know when you hit your wall rather than sucking it up or thinking new soccer blaming someone else just name it and then it'll figure you can figure out a way to adapt and pivot aim and feel it. Yeah and then you can pivot find you know you gotta find it? Sweetie? Sorry we can't use that word and not get Dr. Ross Geller But yeah like that's what adapting is being able to hit a wall and then figure out which way to turn next and knowing you're going to hit another one like that that there is not an end to this turn. I just don't think it's going to come on folks we do. What are we listening to right now? This is Ross and Rachel and chandler trying to get Ross's new couch up the stairs and Ross really wants that new couch apple part of that is Chandler. Yes well Ross. Ross doesn't get his do. He's always been my favorite. I know out of one hundred people I think most people I don't know I think Ross is always one of the last two favorite friend he is. Who's the other second I would say? The last two are unfortunately geller's. Oh Monica really. I don't know that for fact cameron a long time ago. Read me a list of the most popular but it tends to be Chandler and phoebe probably because they're the most eccentric or funding or whatever and then Joey rates Rachel Monica and Ross. One Quick Story David Schwimmer Yeah. He was the most. Except for. Maybe Courtney Cox most famous actor according Cox was definitely going in because they got the show because her and then and then it was time to renegotiate his contract and he could have commanded a really high salary but he said to the other five actors. Let's negotiate together. I know and I think it was his own detriment but in the end I think it ended up paying more money because the show became much more successful. Because of it. But it was a very unselfish maneuver well and. I think that I agree with you. I agree and as you said before in conjunction. I think that there was some fairness and justice meaning. He's like why should the three of us the men be getting more money than the other three and we're all have the same amount of time. Like I think he kind of just saw it as a that makes no sense and I don't think it was a male female thing because I'm guessing Courtney Cox probably commended the biggest salary. I didn't go up as much. Is everybody else meaning hers? Like plateaued a little more but it also they starting negotiating as a team. You mean correct okay. I think going in she was getting paid the most or she had the most starter. Id which I and. And I think that when they were doing renegotiations and a lot of this has to do with your agent. You know after watching this bulls documentary. Scottie Pippen's agent. Meaning his game on but anyway is that it looked like guys. We're going to get a higher salary and so then and not in the in the thing where you're like it would be to his detriment but that's if you think money's more important than relationships and in an ingratiation most people are not thinking about something is fuzzy as relationships. They're thinking about how many Zeros are in the number right which when really in reality it's relationships that's why they were able to keep doing that. Shout so yes. So cheers today swimmer. Chicago kid he started looking glass theater kid. He's my age is a kid. Yeah kids these days. 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"This message comes from. Npr sponsor hulu presenting the new hulu original series mccartney. Three two one. Paul mccartney sits down with music producer rick rubin to discuss his dairy music career stream mccartney three two one now only on hulu all jesse again. Maybe heard about this already. We have a quick easy favor to ask. We'd like to hear from you. We're looking to learn more about how and why you listen to bullseye and other npr podcasts. We have a survey up at npr dot org slash podcast survey. We want to hear from folks. Who'd been listening to us for years and from folks who are tuning in for the first time in short you. It's quick it's anonymous. It's easy one more time. Npr dot org slash podcast survey. And thanks jesse. Thorn is a production of maximum fund dot org and is distributed by npr. It's bullseye. i'm jesse thorn the brat. Pack as you may know is a term for a group of eight or so actors who starred in about a dozen movies in the nineteen eighties. Various configurations areas molly ringwald. Emilio estevez damore a bunch of others and among them. Andrew mccarthy mccarthy starred in saint elmo's fire played molly ringwald. It's love interest in pretty in pink. Beyond the brat. Pack movies mccarthy also performed in mannequin the joy luck club and another eighties classic. Weekend at bernie's in the last couple of decades he's been working more and more behind the camera. He's directed episodes of orange. Is the new black. The blacklist and good girls mccarthy always kind of pushed back on the label of being a brat. Pack actor he was an end into the whole nostalgia thing. But as you're about to hear something changed in mccarthy in fact he wrote a whole book about it brat. An eighty story is a memoir. That looks back on an era that changed his life forever. It talks about the strange position that he and the other members of the brat pack found themselves and back then barely old enough to drink but being labeled as the voice of a generation our friend and correspondent julie clouds. Ner read the book and was so taken by it. She sat down with mccarthy to talk about his memories of that time. Let's hear a little from an andrew mccarthy classic. I this is from pretty in pink. If you don't remember pretty in pink follows molly ringwald character. And she's torn between duckie her best friend and blame a preppy heartthrob mccarthy dream is he is of course place blame in this clip. He visits andy at her job to find a new record. We just got this glasses and really didn't like that. Oh my god record o q hip. Maybe two hip. Well thank. you can recommend something else that it was political something flannel ritchie. Teena marie madonna dov with deep. Very deep she's got such great style. Listen that's you andrew mccarthy. Welcome to bullseye. I loved your book and the first question kind of an obvious one. I'm sure you've heard. Why did you write this book. But i know that you didn't want to write this book originally and you certainly had issues with being associated with brat pack. So how did you write a book about not wanting to write a book about not wanting to be associated with the brad pack. Well that's the whole thing. Isn't it there Wh question to answer. I i for year. Well over the years. People have occasionally asked me if i would write a book about the brought back. I always said no instantly because it was just not of interest to me. And i think i'd spent my entire life since The brad pack since the mid eighties. I guess running from the to to some degree. And i finally sort of instead of running dragging it behind me just turned around and looked into it and i. I thought you know it had been this thing that dominated my life and my life is altered by those several years that i spent making those movies and being associated with the quote unquote brat. Pack so i you know and had changed who i became. You know much. And i had never looked at that and i thought you get old enough and you just kinda go. What what the hell went on there. And i just thought i could take clear. I look at it a couple of years ago. An editor asked me. So would you be interested in writing a book about the brought back and my answer was maybe which was surprising because it had always been a such a quick no so anyway i thought about it for six months and then i just started writing one night when i came home from work and i just started writing because i wanted to see if i had something to say for first of all if i had five remembered stuff i mean i used to drink a bit so you know i wanted to see if i remembered things and if i had something to offer and if i had something to learn from it myself. There's a joan diddy line. I'm paraphrasing but you know i right to find out what i'm thinking and i kind of scrapped. It out and to sort of what. What where my feelings about all that stuff. Which i found out you know i. Yeah you know so. That's why took so long. I suppose i just had run from well the brat pack article the sort of infamous article dubbing basically the casinos fires the brat pack. You wrote about it in terms of having done a lot of damage. I think both personally and then in terms of the culture at the time. And maybe. In retrospect do you think that the press is good. Press thing is a new idea. Is it always been a false idea. What do you think about exposure for the sake of exposure and what that article did and why it was. In your opinion. I guess negative. I don't know if it's always been a bad idea. I don't know if it is a bad idea. Now press is good press. I don't know if that's i. I don't know that. I totally disagree with that. But the brunt came about like you say he was supposed to be a small feature on amelia for Cinemas fire and he invited the writer out with him for drinks which is probably a good ill advised in hindsight and he took a little judd nelson and rob lowe and they went to the hard rock cafe and you know it would young guys who are in the movies and drinking do and those writer turned off to his subject and then it became this cover story of You know kind of this article quite sort of skate. Really and i remember. When i saw the photo of the on the cover of magazine. I was in the photo originally because he was a promos still from cinema fire and i think my elbow is still in it and i remember thinking they cut me the photo and then i read the article and i was like thank god. They cut me out of here fudo. And but i digress. I don't even remember you question you. All press is good press. There are people that would say. Hey at least tell handle it. I mean i reacted to negative way. I found it very pejorative which it was intended that way. But someone like rob blow just went and just embraced it from day one. and what. rob understood intuitively. I didn't get was it. The public never viewed it in this pejorative negative way that the media portrayed or the movie industry sought us and they always sort of Brought back. I love those movies. This guy you know as the ultimate sort of in group and who wouldn't want to be a part of that so rob who was smart enough to just embrace it and oil at a pass right through them whereas i found it very I took it personally and i. You know no who wants to be called a brat. And i found it you the minute. You label anything. You're done exploring it or examining entered being curious about it. You're that's what that is and we do. Have i do it every day. Still you know all the time we all do it. We just said there that yeah. I know what that is not interested and were wrong so often you know because just sort of see a headline or see something and then we box it and be done with it and I didn't i found that limiting. But you know all. That's what writing the book did for me was helped me to realize you know what the broad has become now all these years and decades later so i that we're still talking about it's ludicrous. And yet it's come to be this affectionately. Iconic term for generation of people about their recalled youth. it's not even about. I'm an avatar of people's youth. Now in a certain way they they they hear the brat. Pack nego- oh yeah remember man when we were in school and we went to those part and they're thinking and already they're talking about themselves. They're not even talking about movies. And that's what that. The broad pack is grown to become as that kind of touchstone for generation of people for that moment in youth when people are just coming into their own lives and stepping out and discovering who they are and there's no more exciting moment in life you know and so much of your career is sort of your own use captured in this battle and you talk about just the freshness and the nascent see in the discovery that you were able to sort of have a record of as a young actor you got the you know the the bad phases too but But for sure. I mean there is. I do talk about that in the book series. That moment when it's so attractive and people when they're just blossoming. It's like a flower that's opening up. You just stop and go. My god look at that rose. It's it is beautiful. When it's something is blossoming and there are scores of examples of people through the decades. You know james. Dean in east of eden is blossoming onscreen. Leonardo dicaprio in who's didn't greatest blooming onscreen and just like. Oh my god. They're wondrous and then. I'm talking about the acting. The acting happened to be very good those cases but it's more equality than skill said so and that capturing that and that's what i certainly had in my version of that in like pretty in pink almost fire and so that's what people respond to think about me. I i mean i might i might cringe a little bit some of the acting that i did. But the certainly that quality of of awakening that is attractive. What i think is also attractive about that. Area of your career is that you seem to be an acknowledgement of your romantic co star in the same way that you experience the wonder of watching yourself having this discovery you as an actor are so gifted at reacting to the object of your characters affection the way you look at her the way you fall in love on screen that i wonder if that's sort of part of it as well well. I like women so easy to fall into. Sometimes you know you can just fall in that thing and and we've all been there you know so you just sort of opened a floodgate a little bit and people project upon you but did you set out to make us all fall in love with you. Because it's not fair. This how you look at molly ringwald or even cottrell and mannequin. And you just had this sense of you know you're a little self deprecating about you. Know about your looks and your commented about rob lowe's but i think your status of a dream boat which i'm you're kind of like ambiguous about has so much more objectify me. He's exploiting clues. But i wonder if you see in your acting and obviously you cringe but just how beautiful you take in your partner. And i think as a girl growing up with your movies and falling in love with you as i had no choice but to do so much of that has to do with your regard for your partner. I don't know if there was some method in it like you really in love with molly ringwald. Even when you were an onscreen i was not in love with molly but i think one of the things about being in love is that you're interested in the other person and one of the things about could acting as you're actively listening and you're actively interested in you you you and it's like you want to drink someone up and i mean i i understood that and i understood what being in love is that i just the more baskin you wallow in you the better i feel so i'm just gonna keep wallowing in you. You know and i think i understood that and love stuff is unspoken. So it's just it is looks and things so turn on the turn on the air conditioning over here but i mean everyone wants to be seen and heard that just that everyone universally whether and when you direct your gaze and your full attention it someone. I remember meeting the actress. Linda hunt once years ago. Is it gonna do movie with her. And she took my hand and said hello to me as the only person in the room like i. She'd been waiting to meet me for years and she had no idea who i was. I had her full attention for the miniature grabbed my hand and set her nice. It was to meet me. And i was putty in her hands for the whole film. Because of that instant you know. So i think when we really stop and get over ourselves in turn our gaze out particularly that age the as is so often and and for some of us it never turns out but when we turn that gays out. It's you know it's powerful even more with andrew mccarthy still to come stay with us. It's bullseye for maximum fund dot org and npr. This message comes from npr sponsor. Odu do you run a business or manage a team. Then it's time to switch odu. Odu is a suite of business. Applications designed to streamline automate and simplify any company do has apps for everything. Crm inventory manufacturing sales accounting. 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Andrew mccarthy is an actor and director and a member of the brat pack is memoir is called brat an eighty story. He's being interviewed by writer and actor. Julie klausner you are very aware of the. I think we sort of touched on it. The emotional accessibility. You have as an actor but you also talk about having this sort of push pull of aloofness and sort of staying in your own internal perception of yourself. How do you reconcile that. You're not an actor that stays in character the whole time right you talked about how in pretty in pink really didn't talk to molly when you guys weren't shooting. Well no you don't have to walk around. Set calling me blaine. No not that literal I always found that kind of odd when people were literally doing that. Did you seemed weird to me. but emotionally. I certainly would try and keep myself into sort of zone. I suppose but. I had a lot and continue to in my life. Have a lot of ambivalence about most things you know. And that is. I think hindered some of my ambition Because he one step up two steps back and three step half step back you know the people that just sort of have no reflective gene and just drive forward. I look at them with. Aw and they always succeed. Wow look chew. I mean you have no shame you have no and they just succeed wildly and i'm just i marvel at them and i envy them but i don't really a part of me does But i very much have a of always you know question. So i'm always i do questioning and then i'm examining so you know it makes it uncomfortable existence at moments and it certainly hindered my Career if i and my ambitions certainly but it's on the other hand it's helped me to have a certain awareness and ability to see things from a different perspective as opposed to just my own and it's also i imagine part of the exercise of writing. This book was looking back and seeing well. That wasn't a missed opportunity. I just didn't want to do it. You talked about turning down an invitation to dinner with warhol and some of the factory folks. Yeah i well. That was interesting in that. It took me twenty years in someone else dimension it to me for me to stop feeling ashamed at missing. Ed saying no to that opportunity. You know that was so classically me. At that time i went. Yeah i wanna do it. Uncle i'm happy to have. Didn't you know they called me up. And so you didn't with andy tonight and sure love to and is it. They were just more and more anxious. Till finally i call them up for Cat jumped out the window. I i can't come. You know this ridiculous and for twenty five years. I think was just like oh man that would you idiot. You've missed so many opportunities like that. My wife we walking through a warhol exhibited a museum. My wife and i told her that story and i was expecting her to say just that. They'll they'll why do you always just get over yourself dude. She's we'll maybe just didn't want to be exploited or you know. Seen as an amusement i think is what she said out. Oh my god that's so largely true and there's also the diety of the social anxiety of it but there was also largely that part. I just didn't want to be you know so took me quarter century and someone else's insight to realize that what i did was fine but there was so much of i. Guess what writing. The book helped me discover that i did just fine and that so many of what i perceive we're mistakes and missed opportunities with simply who i was who i am and that it was fine. Fine and the things that limit me and stop my progress. Also part of my assets and you were turned off by hollywood after experiencing some of the most hollywood easy things that would make people say. I'm staying here forever. Which is living with jackie bissett. Well quit showbusiness right. That the second. I left jackson. You went out to dinner with liza and then you ended up at sammy's house later night. I mean these are hollywood. Experience did have you know. And i didn't turn off to hollywood so much. I just i enjoyed it. I i just didn't wasn't for me in my life. You know it wasn't interesting to me so it wasn't yes but going out to dinner and sitting next to lies and then go up to. Sammy davis junior's house. And you know and shooting pool with sammy and you know. It's so bizarre for this kid from new jersey at twenty one twenty two kind of how the hell did i get here but you know those people are all very kind to us and to me. You know. that's an old hollywood stored of still was around a bit and you know they regret and jacquelyn. Bissett was extraordinarily generous to me in kind and patient and loving he. You know and i was appreciative. You know i was in appreciative. Young person you know. I was a bit lost in. That wasn't hard to see and those people are very generous. And you were unstaged that something that you preferred or it was just different than acting on film. I know that you have this curiosity with the camera that directing was studying in theater program at nyu. When i got the i was kicked out of school. But i had been studying in school Theater and i always imagine. I would be in the theater because i couldn't have imagined being in the movies and i love doing you know i'd have to say to the state of the happiest times i've had professionally always been in the theater but i have such a nerves. I think on on first nights that i've often. I've sworn i'll never do it again. Every time i'm gonna first night and apply. I don't care how good it gets a little. Never do this to myself again. The anxiety and stress. I thought it was so much. But i i have the most satisfying i've ever felt was when i was on stage it professionally because that's a very alive experience but then having said that i didn't pursue it A you know dabbled back and forth in it over the years and didn't dedicate myself to that. So what is your attitude towards acting now. Because i know that you're definitely a more prolific director currently. Well yeah no direct. Use my day job now And yeah i mean direct. Lots of tv shows and travel writing. But i you know. I acted again. I'm just going to go out next week to act in something i direct. His show sometimes called good girls. And i been acting on that a little bit and i'm going to go out next week and do it again and i hadn't acted number of years till i did this. Bid on good girls. You know i was working with producer. Said you want this thing of this guy you wanna do which yeah sure i do. And then i found it very It was really much more fun than i remember. Being in an acting always used to cost me such anxiety. When i was younger and i just found it to be sort of that joke of the to fish swimming in the water and the one fish passes the differences pay into water. Find today and the other fish says what water. And that's how. I felt when i started acting again when i on the show just like all timidly who i am. You know i. I used to say it's not who i am. It's what i do. But i think it's it's who i am. That's how i located myself. I when i was fifteen years old and discovered acting. I discovered who i was. It helped me feel safe in the world and have my place in the world. And as i got away from it into other things but i think going back to it was Exciting in a certain way and sort of liberating. So you know and i have great respect now. Because i'm doing directing people all the time now and you know when i see good acting itis love it. How much of your attraction to directing had to do with your curiosity around the camera and what it does and how much of it is sort of more about having been on the other side of it and thinking. Oh it would be nice to be in control of this. Well all the above us post but you know for my ego and vanity. I enjoyed the singular position of directing. There's no one else on the set. That's directing eso. I i think. I enjoyed having that unique position and i still enjoy that aspect of it. I like you know. I know how to work now. I've worked one hundred two hundred directors most of them not barely competent Kate a couple terrific most of the good craftsman but nothing you know most time directors particularly television or not concerning themselves with acting they just million things to think about mostly the clock and getting the and just getting it done getting together and i understand that completely so whenever i which i because i come from whenever i give attention to act shocked. Oh my god thank you for paying attention you know And i do pay attention because i cringe. I can't if i'm cringing back. i just can't take. I'm not going to tolerate i. Can't we fix this. You know you can't. I can't be cringing back there. And i have every actor neuroses. I understand them until. I'm able to help an actor and i can talk to them very quickly about how to get out of it and it always comes back to acting one. Oh one which is you came in here to get something get it. you know. it's the first thing you learn i. I've acting school and it's the thing people forget instantly you came into get ten dollars ten dollars from you. You don't wanna give me ten dollars. We have seen. We have conflict. And i'm gonna get ten dollars for their. I seduce you or browbeat you or whatever many different ways that i need that ten dollars. We're going to be fine. And i tell new actors and you know i say to jane fonda jane remember. You came in to get the ten dollars. Jesus thanks hackman. So i digress. What are we talking about is fun. Directing james spader on black jimmy. Because he's he's all the things i was talking about before he's you know he's very smart and he's very well prepared. You know the one thing that i find shocking. How unprepared so many actors are that you can show up unprepared. I find that shocking And so many are and because it's so close themselves so much problems so many problems by trying to pretend that they're not unprepared and it's just like transparent you don't know your lines here so okay let's just take it bit by bit. Then let's just call it what it is though. You didn't do your work what you can't. Of course say you know. People ask me of being acted as good preparation for directing. And i always say yeah to somewhat but really the best preparation for directing is having small children in is because you have to constantly redirect people from their own foibles neurosis into something else and you create a space and gocha. Here's the space this is. You can do anything you want in here but these are the boundaries. Yeah okay and you're mark. Hit your mark kid that and also just sort of like you. Don't tell the other actor what to do all handle that. You know what i mean. Don't worry you know one of the anyway. There's lots of things. But i i find it. I enjoyed it. And i love the technical aspect of it which was a great relief to me and it was great to me not to be stared at you know so when i started directing to not be the absolute focus of attention and yet have a unique position upon the set. I liked that. We'll wrap up with andrew mccarthy in just a minute when we come back from break has kids now kids who have seen weekend at bernie's the weird morbid comedy where two guys go on a long vacation with a corpse which begs the question. What do andrew mccarthy kids think of weekend at bernie's yeah that's right. We're not afraid to ask the tough questions. It's both high for maximum fund dot org. Npr investigations into police. Use of force and misconduct were secret in california until now we have two hours of interrogation tape to find out who'd assistant of police accountability really served. And who does it protect. 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Pack era and how strange and painful and uncomfortable and thrilling. It was to be the epicenter of a cultural phenomenon. Mccarthy is being interviewed by our friend and correspondent julie klausner. I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions about pretty in pink which is one of my favorite s- and i hope that your affectionate toward it. I think it's it's very clear for the book how affectionate you are towards the films. That sort of may. I was particularly happy. To see that you had affection for mannequin. For example i love. I love mannequin. I mean i'm embarrassed to say a save space. Yeah it's i love all those movies now you know it did take me years as i ran from them. You know and but i love all of them are and for different reasons but monica's particularly sweet because it's such an open hearted innocent movie and for pretty in pink. Were you surprised when it needed to reshoot. Well no i wasn't particularly surprised Surprised to a successful like you know as a wrote in the book there. I didn't like when the original ending was there where i sort of dismissed into. Don't show up for the prom with her and all that kind of stuff. I mean i thought i have to back up. I thought the movie was ridiculous. Movie about a whole movie's going to be about a girl. One go to a dance and making address. I mean this is going to hold. And so clearly i was wrong and the original ending where i was. I thought you know unsatisfying. And so luckily when they did they did the test grading and the audience felt the same way. They loved the movie until that moment and they hated the movie. And you know john hughes being smart businessman. He is said okay. Let's shoot and that's your fault for being so dreamy. Well you know. Yes naturally joking but Well that was written to be that lovable tamale. You know because. I've molly got me that part. Because as you say the movie the part was written for like high school jock jock type square-jawed broad-shouldered kind of you know that guy and i was clearly not that but molly when i went into addition molly. You know. that's the guy and join us said that wimp and the rest is history as they say. But yeah that was all molly cost us thousands and re-shoots. Well yeah i mean but it had to end that way because there's a fairytale but it was just a little fair that that moves a little fairytale so it has. There's only one way for these things to end but the way that you played it makes because what blame does to her is unforgivable but the way you play it you want them to end up together anyway you want you want to forgive him just because the two of them have this. I mean you're just looking at heart like this and it's just overwhelming so like i said i mean. I think that's so much to how you how you played it. Well that was largely the wig as well. You know and i think that was from party city or was it just party city. It was a terrible wig. yeah and For the re-shoot because i was at a shaved head because i was doing a play in new york and so yeah. I had this to- if you look at that scene which i have not seen thousands of times over the years with the clip. They show when i go up to molly at the problem kiss her and say i love you or i believe in you. Whatever it was. I said and you know all i can think about is just bad wig acting because i looked so so suffering in so much pain and she'll just a wicked so ill-fitting that i look for lauren that it's sort of well. It looks like blaine is very regrets. Being very beautiful. Did you do an actor secret for blame that thing. We're only for those who don't know actually secret is when an actor knows something about his character. That is not explicit well. I think you always wanna do that. Anybody with a secret is sort of in. Even if you're aware there have a secret about there's something about then leans you forward into your drawn to them but in that movie i did not actively you know that movie i had just been insane almost fire where i was starting to become public and young women were suddenly attracted to me where they had never been before. I'd been invisible week before. And so suddenly i was attractive in sprinkled with catnip piano and so there's nothing that builds confidence in twenty two year old guy having women suddenly find you very attractive and that gave me a certain confidence but just a feeling of expansiveness. That was suited that part. Well so you couple that with the vulnerability and sort of sensitive oversensitivity coupled with sense of feeling your oats a little. And you've got this dichotomy that is you know a good recipe for that particular movie. Have you showed it to your kids. Do they like interested in like movies. Well my told this before my my son. Several years ago watched weekend at bernie's and he said he was about fifteen. I guess at the time he said. Dad i love you. That's the stupidest movie. I've ever seen. Which i said sammy. That's the point. Come on dude. We may to those and And my daughter. Some of her friends told her she needed to watch pretty in pink. She's fourteen now. I guess he was thirteenth time and so she watched the trailer for pretty and pagan. Saw me kissing molly and said i i. I'm not watching a movie. We are kissing some other women. My watching god said no. They have not seen change in history. We can bernie's saved you. You wrote after a run of flops. it is a wonderful goofy extremely stupid. I love bernie. I think is great. I live wanted to share that. Well let's say by what. I said that the book brady saved my life it. It was a good transition for the for the start the next chapter but it also it also could break and also. I just enjoyed it so much. I hadn't gotten a chance to play comedy like that and to play that part by the sort of jerks and you know i found that really. We'll you got to be the guy with the swagger not the one who's you know sensitive and hurt and gets the girl. Yeah and that was the part they asked me to do. And because i. I was successful at that time. I said i don't want to play that one play the other. Okay sure so yeah. I loved that. But that was an i based that entirely on my my friend. A friend of mine. Everything about the look this purple high tops. The hawaiian shirts shorts idiotic at all of it was just. I just imitated my friend. What kind of a host invites you to his house for the weekend dies on you. Why would he do this. I mean he had everything house cars women. This is tragic. I don't understand why he couldn't wait until monday to kill himself to call the police. And how am. I going to get back to the city. He promised me ride. Knock it off. Larry hears about a ride with talking death here. I mean this is just my luck. I finally catch a break at the office. Finally see some light at the end of the tunnel. And god wait a minute. Wait a minute. What am i going to tell them. I mean they might think we had something to do with it. you know. I told everyone at the office. We're going out to bernie's house for the weekend. There was so jealous. I mean i loved it. Now what am i going to tell you wrote about a lot of obviously very personal stuff in this book You mentioned you're drinking. You mentioned your dad with had a complicated relationship. And i wondered what was the hardest thing about writing. This book was at that stuff or was it. Sort of more of the connecting the dots. Well there were three things that were important. If you were to be interested in learn about that time in my life and one was successful in movies one was that i had a drinking issue and one that my father and my relationship was very fraud and got worse the more successful. I got to take any one of those two. It's like a three legged stool to anyone out. You would not be getting the complete story of what happened. So i i wrote all the professional kind of stuff and then i lowered in the drinking and then my father stuff were they. Those weren't particularly hard to write about Since i've talked about my drinking you know and it's a long time ago so it's not so it's fine. I probably wouldn't have talked about my dad if i had never reconciled with my dad before he died. I would've just prospectuses for that. I guess left that alone but now you know. My dad was freewheeling he didn't he had no secret so he didn't That was fine. I had more difficulty writing about the moments. Like when i was at the paramount. Seventy fifth anniversary event and i was so hung over and just it felt like such an op wonderful opportunity. I was surrounded invited to be in this event with all these legends. Avoid gregory peck and charlton and james stewart and libya to have land and liz taylor one afternoon robert deniro. Whenever one after another seventy five hundred however many there were there and little. Andy's there and i was so hung over and so sort of ashamed of by myself because i felt so a mess that what opportunities like that that i sort of squandered. I don't really have regrets. But that would have been like. Oh come on would have been nicer to handle that a little better. So moments like that to really sort of go back and sort unpack. We're like yeah no. That was not a your best moment. It seems like the hangover is. Were the bad parts when you talk about the effect of alcoholism. Well i mean. I suppose the fear an hangover's would unleash. I suppose great fear. And then what do you do to get rid of here but you drink more and so then you start to cycle over again and then when you're drinking you know you're hiding until then you know it's it's just a vicious kind of thing and you know the beauty of drinking. Is it everybody's exactly the same. Everybody thinks they're unique. Do get over and all the stuff in all this year diamond. Doesn't you know drinking snuck up on me. I wanted to become a drinker. You know all the actors. I admired kind of drinkers. And all that. I wanted to become so i made myself a drink or die was a very apt pupil. And then you know drink drink works until it doesn't and then it turns around at some invisible point and consumes the very thing that you were it was helping you with and so you know that line i like i think i quoted in the book takes drink. The drink takes a drink then. The drink takes demand. I think is very apt and Yeah so but again. that's just diamond. Doesn't story and i. I drank for several years. I took me several years to realize how to problem several years to do something about it and it affected your acting sure. Of course. Of course. I mean like i always say though. I'm always careful to say that my act. My success movies did not cause my drinking. My drinking was very much in and of itself. And it's certainly affected my acting hugely in an adverse way but i didn't drink as a reaction to anything except itself but certainly affected my acting very adverse way. You know right when. I really needed to be pivoting. And trying to do more upping my game i opted out and took another drink. You know so but again you know the the ground. The rubble of that of my drinking is the foundation for the rest of my life. So it's turned into a great gift. Well you know the same way the brat pack to bring it back to that for just a second is that it was what i perceived to be this very negative thing ultimate been one of the greatest blessings of my life you know. I could have been in the exact same movies. And if the brat pack label didn't exist we wouldn't be talking today. You know it elevated all of us and as as much as it contained us and stigmatizes it elevated us all into this kind of culturally iconic position that would never have existed if it were just simply the movies. You talk about your reluctance to brand yourself. You didn't have a word for it then but it almost was as though that article had done that for you and i imagine brandon brandon's brat. Burundi's unprofessional untrained. That was one of the things that really bothered me because one of the things that you went to brag about not being trained and i was very oh i wanted to do was trying to be an actor so it just felt like i was awake. This isn't who i am. And so i felt unseen like we were talking before about people. Wanting to be seen and heard i felt unseen. I felt for something that i was not and that and i felt utterly powerless to alter that. And that's why later. When i started writing and travel writing things i was very careful to write for the new york times and national geographic and all these outlets were respectable. So the when i was outed for being this actor go. We'll know he's you can't dismiss him because he's ii branded myself. You know. I was very actively conscious about that. And directing too. I wanted to direct good shows. So that it's you know you're very quickly you know boxton and unless you actively don't be you know what was the transition between acting and writing. Was there sort of a period in the middle where you're figuring things out was it sort of seamless was an overlap. I've successful for six seven years enacting really and then i chase it for another decade you know and i discovered Travel writing at the. You know that's a longer story. But i began traveling a lot. That book to book And so yeah you know. I wrote for about years before i actively started to try and do something with my writing because i was a terrible student school and i didn't feel i didn't feel i was smart or Capable of providing in that way. So i just wrote for myself and then eventually i wanted to do something with it and then i became successful at that because an largely because i the same thing we were talking about about directing. I knew to tell a story and you know so pie employed tools. I knew from acting. And then later that helped me with directing the notion of tell a story because in directing you to be you have to be very objective and bird's eye view. Then you have to be very subjective at the same the next moment you know so all those kind of things went together and then back to just your first role which was as the artful dodger in your high school production of oliver. I wanted to know. At what point did you know you wanted that role because it seemed like you were the opposite of a ham ham and it'd be allowed mouth than a bagel musical and that cockney you know that's like the the is role in not him. Yeah oh no no no. He's ham udal. he's very. I've been playing the same part. Ever since i mean it was the best roy ever had and i play every role this a joke but quite conman. He's not a comedy he's just very clever and observant and fessel and k and very affectionate anyway I know i love this. I'm gonna talk about artful dodger. But how did i know i wanted. I didn't when i was auditioning and someone else was going to get the part i was. I remember clearly. When i you know i'd been cut from the basketball team. My mom said. Try out for the play and i wanna be in the play. I want to be the point guard. And i tried out for the play and with that guy was gonna get it and then this other kid matthew quilty is lovely guy and he had a very much prettier voice than i did and was taller and better looking than i was so he was suddenly favored. For the part. I remember wanting for the first time in my life. That's mine and stepping up. In a way that i had no wariness of doing ever before an or ability to do before and just getting that and then of course then i stepped out on stage as the dodgers end. My life just changed. It just was like i've there i was. I think i just have one more question. Which i think i asked you already but i'm gonna ask it again. 'cause it's important. Did you set out to make us all fall in love with you tapping into wanting to be loved by every woman watching you on screen over and over and over again or was it. Just a lucky Just lucky accident. Just luck of the draw. You're killing me. Andrew mccarthy his book brat. 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ACS (Part 1): Bryan, Gina, and Dawson

The Adam Carolla Show

1:11:29 hr | 2 years ago

ACS (Part 1): Bryan, Gina, and Dawson

"Thanks for listening to the Adam. Corolla show on podcast one well Bryan and Gina Gina are covering for me while I'm on the road always a good show with those two. There's so much untapped talent there. It's all going to be on full display in a second first lifelock child's information particularly social security number has so much valued scammers out there because think about it they haven't I used it. I mean they haven't signed up for credit cards. It's a clean slate as what I'm saying. They will steal those lines of credit. They will create great lines of credit. Kids don't have credit reports. A thief can just use their info open. New accounts run up debts before anyone catches on. How'd you like to get your kid out of the gate with a messed up credit report now. That's bad parenting right there. Good thing lifelock identity theft protection ads the power of Norton Orton security to help protect against threats to your devices. You can easily see our fix on your own. 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We Lost Eddie money a few weeks back to be. I did let us know he had two tickets to paradise but who would have thought he'd be taking cars frontman ric okay so here's the cars with song could describe the eighties. Don't just stop on the toolbox walks. It ooh died from Girl One studios in Glendale California. This is the Adam Corolla show with Gina Grad and Bald Bryan plus a spirited round of the rotten tomatoes game of food taste tests some listener calls and we'll talk tool two and now running in place while the bosses in Napa Sonoma and Brian. What's up. Everybody welcome Adam Corolla show. This is Brian Van and Gina here to Babysit. The console while Adam is gone. I'm not running in place. I'm sitting with my fat ass in a chair comfortably. I'm sitting. I feel like only Jews will get this but it's a Jewish holiday so it we say Monash Manish Tina how Lila Huzzah during Passover. It's why is this night different from any other okay so different than it would just be sort of lounge. You share leisurely doing anyway so he's sitting Shiva thing well the funeral it's not literal you have to sit but it won't be able to come over and I'm honestly very ignorant about could stand you could lean could lay on the floor and cry okay yeah. It's called sitting show. I'm just we're GONNA do you another taste test like a half hour and I think it has to do with fried chicken heard it's going to be what is it going to be today this is Caitlin and Matt Ryan Dunn Beyond Chicken from KFC doing. Are we doing that and regular chicken. We're GONNA GONNA do side but I hope we can tell so. It's it's pretty early in the morning radio. I curl five. Dave and I have coffee which I don't drink now no never own when I would get it for the morning show at three in the morning when you drink water. I don't know I don't drink ought you're always drinking something out of a Mug. Where's the reason for that ice water but between the coffee and the Fried Chicken I will shit my pants within the hour toya sitting yeah her hair. He doesn't care he really does. You know why I always drink out of a mug. No did you notice Otis. I had a lot of issues mostly in two thousand eighteen flailing and I still do it knocking beverages over all the Mug of Sturdier Sturdier Constitution. I told myself I am no longer allowed to bring beverages in the studio. This has been all year unless it has a lid or or it's sturdy like a Mug. I can't do like Tumbler that like Oh yeah. You can't be trusted. You really can't Miss Kentucky. It's all coming together. Now your honor present. It's somebody texted me or D. M. Me last year listener new like a new look like a science beaker. Why did the spark sparkletts gallon thing with a long straw. Somebody I might have said this before but somebody Demi when I was really remember you WanNa Test Sippy cups that has suction bottom aisle taken taken and said you knock stuff over so often. I'm actually concerned. You have a neurological disorder. You should get your metals tested so maybe I'm not not just clumsy. Maybe maybe you're not going to be the only tumor in town say dopey upper turf. We have a lot of calls but we do have a lot because it's exciting. Here's something I would like. I'M GONNA pitch. You something real quick here I think since it's you and me and I think we've earned it. I think people don't hate. These shows like say disagree so so far like we like. We always are afraid that they will. I think we should just continuously throughout the show. Just give lots and lots of shameless shameless person sure. I don't doubt that let's do it. Let's all do we'll do a different one okay. I'll start with the obvious last with all Brian the big fundraiser remember for second avalon in Hollywood. I would plug the show that Dawson night day but that that's tomorrow's off but in the past as we hear this so hopefully we'll we'll have a recap of that soon but laughable Brian featuring all the favorites of the grocery. Everyone is important to us to be there. I was hilarious. You kill you kill man. You got a new career so yes do go be with all of those things I will be. I don't know at least do I have a ticket for laughs with boy. Of course you have an upgrade. You have to buy your ticket but will upgrade. Your kid ain't no of course not oh God. Can I write it off. You have to do things you sort of like Disney character on the cruise be floating fishers yes all of glad-handing yeah and and I just recorded two episodes last night of easy listening a podcast about podcasts with Teresa Strasser Yup easy listening with the Genie Grand Juries Strasser. We go over multi level marketing scams. We go over a podcast about cereal all their as I'm saying I'm realizing the must be multilevel marketing scam podcasts yes right because I just listen to one. Oh it was amazing. Rodin fields or is this Arbonne Arbonne Mary Kay. There's so many please don't tweet me for me either but I do appreciate free product. also I would love to do who I would love to go over. We're talking about movies but I haven't found any so I'll be on the lookout for there's there's some good ones out there. We'll talk about a half hour. yeah that's everywhere. That's just streaming so you can always find recent I at easy listening apple or stitcher. Whatever you like Good you interesting call. ooh ooh. Let's take it take line. For how dare you well being that you're engaged. It's all around me. Hey Hey Jimmy twenty-five in Salt Lake how are you I'm good. How are you what's happened. Well thanks what's going on. What's your question. Hey I just looking for some advice on getting divorced in what five we've been married for October tenth day our four year anniversary just had a kid five months ago. just things thing's not working out and I just I don't know I don't know if it's worth working on or whatnot confers life. How Gina Probably thought well you got married. I mean as we would consider it pretty young yeah. I'm I'm religious military religious. Okay I get it I mean I think we all get it. Brian's Brian's married. I've been married we'll. We'll see what happens it looks. It looks like looking good. My parents are divorced. I've I've been around divorce in some way my entire life when you you're also in the wake of divorce because your fiance is divorced and you're you're dealing with all of the fallout indeed. There's just there's just a lot of moving parts so yeah. It's it's. It's definitely a complication but I also also kind of resent. The idea of people saying you gotta stay together for the kids or I don't know you got out. Imagine you actually tell tell me please because you have all the experience I've done you have to you would have to stay. What's the word not cordial. You'd have to stay not competent yeah yeah court you'd have to you'd have to get along. You know what I mean or at least make it work for the cap yes but this is kind of personally. This is my express answer and it has nothing to to do with my personal experience but it does have to do with what my therapist has told me before in other. I've been in other relationships when when you go to counseling and you say you know this is my last ditch effort or I'm really trying to turn things around or can you help us. Get back on track in this relationship please. You know we're we're desperate. you try that you in my opinion. You always try that. You have a mediator because sometimes you don't speak the same language anymore. You just need an interpreter carpenter so you do that and then my therapist has said before once you do you know a bunch of sessions and she sees where you're at and kind of what your real feelings are and what she she thinks you guys are committed to. I have had it said to me. Here's the deal as your therapist and as somebody who cares about both of you very very much I can't help you stay together but I can help you break up and that was one of the most miraculous wonderful things I have ever heard to break up amicably to break up without the least amount of drama and chaos you just have to set up your lives to get along for the rest of your lives sir. Do you have resentment toward her. You're just kind of not feeling like like this. Maybe wasn't the right decision. yeah. I mean. I don't think I have a resentment. I think I I I don't know like a and it's hard and maybe I'm shallow for saying it but I I'm done like doc try. I think we have put in that effort. we did get laid really young. and we just kind of both want different things out of life. It's now I guess Do you think she's the same changing. Do you think she's on the same page. She'll be shocked that you went out no. She's on the same page she she sends moved out and Blue Jacket with her parents. and we've been we've. I mean we've always been better friends so I think we have that going John for us with with child. Will you know what between between Gwyneth paltrow and half of the American nation conscious uncoupling thing can work mark down the right the right path as opposed sort of a darker more insidious what I would recommend on my limited experience. Hansen just based on only things that I know it would be amazing if you start it. I know it sounds weird to do it now and counter-intuitive but if you started going into therapy together if necessary so someone can help guide you out of this process if that's something you think you need especially when there's a baby in Var totally like I love that and we have assets and Yeah House and you have to talk to please do whatever you can not to give all of your hard earned doe that you've worked so hard for to a lawyer I am I. I think we've been pretty good about back in and you realize you know all lawyers wanted is money will good luck congratulations on the kid by the way all right. Thank you so much. We're always here for ya awesome. Thank you okay by that because I don't know how to drop the call. We're little press whole aw you distrust dropped it. Hold in case you know how I know that it says hold different connection doesn't always go through. Let's talk the whole. Let's see we might want to hold line three to a nice transalls. Thank you for producing on the fly. I don't know I I I'm just GONNA play collarless. What's up Dan forty-three in Jacksonville. What do you have to say oh. Hey guys I got to school concept. I'M GONNA jump right in school concept not that I think you guys are GONNA kick out. I've been noticing little things that have happened in the past that have led us to the environment. We live in today okay. Do you tell oh I got to I got through and they're very they're very dissimilar but you'll you'll get by. You'll get drafted. I think you guys will come up with a bunch as well. The first one one is the phrase do find something you love and you'll never work a day in your life. You guys familiar with this phrase you ever hear anybody say there's a kid and try to live by wrong. We're doing okay so here's the thing here's the thing with the way that statement is phrased. The goal of that statement is to never work. You are doing what you love. Have you guys ever worked a day in your life. I work every day. You know I don't yeah turn around to go ahead and learn to love your work. Okay sure yeah. That's a whole different thing. If you look at how bad how people are you know the end. I'm going to not work on with the idiom the phrase maybe sets up a goal that is not noble not working. I I get the sentiment. Maybe the way you phrased it. Dan is a little better. That's not bad. What else do you got right and so the other one is credits moving from the beginning of the movie. We ended the movie well all school right by all the credits were in the front how to put credits at the beginning that was I think it was. Dj Rule Directors Guild and I if I'm remembering correctly and I'm gonNA screw up the exact details but I think it was George Lucas who wanted to go with a cold open for Star Wars. You know where the ship comes in and of course he didn't want to ruin it with credit. I think he dropped out of the directors guild because they know you have to. It was just something you have to killing. You can probably verify this on the internet or Matt that you probably do the same thing but he dropped out of the directors guild as a result because he refused to like compromise his Co.. And admit it. It's an iconic cold open. Yeah I had no idea we've been frontloading the that many years into it. I thought it was like very some like it hot and how to marry a millionaire. If you ever watch the old the old movies blocking my movies. There's it almost over cherry not score and they featuring Dan why do you why do you think we should put those back so so my thing with that is is back when that was was just the norm when you put the credits in the front you can only do so many right so you can only do the people who actually had a huge impact packed on the making of the film nowadays. We get the guy that gets coffee. We get everybody I mean you get the the the the third actors assistant get the credit true. I mean if you're going that far. Assistance Mother also should get credit because they helped out a little bit as well as sin. We get credit for buying a ticket. Yeah the the Uber driver ever brought people there. I mean you like we've. We've added a whole lot of inclusion that I'm sure is great but back in the day when it was it was the seventeen actors that were on the screen the director the director of photography and I was Dan. I like your first example better this this one. I have no problem with people getting credit for their work. I don't mind the the full credits at the end and maybe an abbreviated one of the top as long as we're doing. Thank Dan you can put him on hold. Thank you very much. Thank you nailed it. The first one is a good example a second one. We actually did on. I'll give all give a plug to the film vault. Not I did a top five opening title sequence. Oh Way back in twenty twelve actually so then my top five were snatch has a great opening title sequence sequence x men Origins Wolverine for not being a great movie has a great opening title sequence the Naked Gun classic opening where the following these all have credits to so these following following the the blue light again not a great movie but great opening title sequence the girl with the Dragon Tattoo the remake the great opening title the move is kind of auburn towards awareness fantastic and another movie that not great but opening sequence fantastic watchman you ever seen Washington. Oh great I've flown yeah. I've never seen the whole movie but I have seen the opening credits and it is awesome all right sweet. I like the opening titles of raising Arizona because it's about twenty five minutes long before they get to the opening titles. Oh that's a lot of times all right so we're just going to produce this show as we do it. That's cool with you. We're not Adam do mix up and he goes along. That's true but doesn't like what am I talking about self written down. Wow you guys can ignore the rundowns and all the shit that for you guys that's. I'm checking in with you so I'm going to take Meredith's call and then we're going to transition into something else ooh peek behind the curtain so risque here we go up. What's up Meredith in Wisconsin. How are you hey guys oh. It's so great to talk to you. I I'd love the film vote. I love easy listening together or my favorite color so I have been thinking a lot about. Nope the tool tune things since Gino's tweet today. I sorry let me just really quickly because I really want this to be inclusive because the people seem to love when we do this. I settle take one listener. Submission Albright picked it but yes meredith. Please continue okay so I'm wondering if I came came up with a new category or if this would be like guilty pleasure. Let's hear it okay so they're the horrible song and but you like it because it's so bad like lyrically it you laugh. It's so bad and I was thinking of like uh-huh this morning. I listened to Bell Biv devotes poison. Oh what did they pass and the excitement of a big attic smacking around the download here a little too. This is not my. I haven't heard many years this is it's a little bit nineties. Come on this one of your poll vacations that it's an older song. Oh are not going to have another one like the Humpty dance. I mean I really hate it. Yeah listen pumped it. S A little more novelty has made me more of a guilty pleasure but it still got. I mean that's legit like you know like rap groups. You know yeah I think this is just running so parallel to tool tunes that we like the branch out but I'm not in charge. I Brian on these matters. I think this is a tool to America. You can put in here just to redefine for everyone tool school to your rolling down the street. You're listening to belt poison. You're like yeah. That's pretty good you come up to a stop light next to you bus. Stop full of people does win. Does the go up as told him so you can enjoy the song in quiet solitude as opposed to the Windows Dank who listens to this shame. Thank thank you so much merit. If we really appreciate talking to you Oh God thanks for taking my call. Oh I forgot how to talk. Thank you so much. I'm so glad meredith called when she did because I have a fresh list of tools for Brian potential tunes well that's right. These are my guesses and you are the you you decree arbiter. Yes what what category these fall into but real quick. Let's talk about stamps because I literally used a few the other day in some important federal documents. Excuse me aren't GonNa want to Brag but stamps stamps. This is an easy breezy sleepeasy spot for us to do and I run my own business. I've written a few books that means well. 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I picked a couple of different categories to pull from different genres some two thousand pop because we can't just hate on it because it's not far enough in the rear view mirror. I will say there will be generally these song fall in three categories which is just a good song. That's just a good song tool to and is that inbetween sweet spot and then there's just guilty pleasures like now that's a bad that's all you like it. You should feel guilty about it. That's about so yeah so so we have that genre. We have a little nineties country. We have some eighties wildcard word and just some some some from yesteryear lovely okay so let's start with the most recent ish this song made a huge splash very simple very earworm. Hook very hard to hate. Isn't this on a tool tune. Oh Man Jason whereas I'm you have thoughts on this so if you pulled up to a full blast I'd I'd be embarrassed because it's so overplayed and so ubiquitous. The bomb like the simple lovely song heard the song about fifteen years. I love that we know why we love. Even though it has the chord progression that we just all flop wins so took take no no can wait Dawson. Here's a here's here's a here's a real deep poll for for fans of the of the old radio show did you do you remember this was producer. Angie's ring back tone. If you called a Angius phone ringing the song would play. Oh please wait while we contact of Roy Tarpley people still do that. Do you tell them ring back tone imagine Agean. I feel like that should not have gone away. I loved ring back. Why do they here now. That's nice. That was a nice touch in the year here the same ring sound every time you call someone. That's a good point. That's a good song. Okay good song. I feel personally like this song parallels that song but I feel also oh like I'm going to catch a lot of shit for it. there's a song that I don't know I think it came out around the same time super earworm e super-popular what anything tool tune path train same. Russia on yours hard to take this right the one hundred percent tool to train. Has it fantastic body of work. It really doesn't change the fact that come does out. This is another stream hops song that I understand why it gets played gender level that all give today yeah oh I can say it but you windows up and here comes the hook take bright. It's really molen smaller. Training train is the iceberg of music. There's a little bit of top. That's good and there's a lot underneath. That's really bad I for many years. Many many years hated train and then on the radio. I think it was the rate of the Christie was listening to the radio and this song popped up. Do you have a Kaelin and I was like who is a great song hated myself. When I found out it was train until I made some Tenneco. It felt like a minor hit well from Miranda. Yom Sued coast cats and they left me with these listers digging this song his great a great tool to a massive told zolt familiar with train record by private nation. I'm not in any of the catalog make room for the hook. Okay I can tell you awesome awesome and I think gender wise. I can leave the windows down. I it sounds like I could be completely wrong. That sounds like a country artists passed on that song. I I have have no idea the history the song all I know is when I got home and I should and I think the time and I was like Oh fuck train. God Damn it. I like it. I Love I let us do yourself a flavor and check out the record my private nation cover to cover solid out there a couple of a couple of hits but overall you overall asthma. I like the way this guy arrives. I like away rights so as as as the song soul sister okay great to fifty right now so yeah the sun that you played Brian does sound like a crossover country. I Love Rock and at stagecoach to it even though I don't know that they're going to pump their fists for the tenderloin but as a great song me real low the original version yeah yeah that makes sense so let's transition over to a genre that I know you and Dawson have a soft spot for. I don't think I've asked about the song before but it is one of my favorite country songs anger. What do you think tool tune so now. I think we talked about the other gamblers cried on the air to suck so hard but it's always eh gaining fish. He was eight years old. Bears are feeding noodle girl came through. Go Tim debut shaking. Oh living in Kansas at the time I was salted with the song on a regular basis so this is hard wired into my brand cain be dog strain girl in the woods. Don't the White Walker under you. Change your mind here in Joensuu Jimmy Johnson. Take Tommy Tom Son. It's normal name best friend taking any body any boy in a in the we can't get to the end at the end. Oh no there's our burglary. Thus the middle did you dossier. Remember the Iraqi. Turn it off. I can't I can't get to the end some birth and goes awry. She dies in childbirth drops to his knees and prays and says don't take the girls. I can't get into hard goods. Son revered man windows doubt it's a bit Tuli Dawson. I've windows up but crying because there's there's. There's not a single tear coming down. There's a cascade of tears. Coming down isn't necessarily a tool tuned but I wouldn't have the windows. It's not the twitter who doesn't snap very often. It's a good song. It's a good song and by the way tool tunes good songs be guilty pleasure yeah yeah. I got a ruling windows up so I guess by definition tool that good job all right now on the other side of the spectrum approved. There is a song song. I personally because I wasn't. I grew up in Kansas so I heard all this stuff sort of around me but the grab the Jewish grads weren't super into this style so when my friends are play the song I loved did. I don't know if she's a one hit. Wonder I'm sure she's not but I freaking love this song tool tune Jodi Messina fucking the hook is wonder yet wills. It's been a long time by the city affects our new. We'd meet again another time. Another plate can't believe it's been so many years better grab a chair and a couple of beers to know always knew the business review always the one follow the light and the black aw ben singing singing phone above the bill and below the APP around stuck in the middle where money gets tight but I guess it bring it home. Show do all right. It's a beautiful day out so I guess I'm doing all right Brian timeouts. There's not Jodi Masilo. Jo Jody Messina of that is one thing I did about that yet. Joe Joe The D. E. X. Might be on my tools playlist. Oh that doesn't surprise me rates on this is also gender-specific. If you're you're a girl and you're rolling down the top's down Shimmy though shoulders so hard when you gotta be pretty firmly up a rug nuts. I'm all rights in which by the way a really good song but you know what what the silver lining is to a tool tune. No one ever has to know your personal shame. If you pop those ear buds in gopher raw really go run. I'm alright. Those are changing the game on tool tunes so far three to four tool tunes are really like that last Song Long Island. That song loved it since I Dunno college high school whenever I don't know when I was five when it came out and I wanted to throw in something that was at least that had that novelty song feel I try to do that. I think every time just one kind of novelty song again Jewish grads and Kansas not this is not our genre but my mom seemed to love this strike right there her a lot too old tune. No no no no no no no. I grow very close to Branson Missouri. I I got no time for them. Home Elkridge boys this. Is this fall Tim now. I have a bad experience with this. Is Why trump turnoff. Please don't turn it off. Hewitt up at the beginning and get ready to play over and over again because this was the song remember in middle school. Did you have square dancing. Yes we do to partner. We learned torture Thumb Brian Dowling to the corner down to his partner Jesse doing and then that's the bruins. Stop All right lineup again with you here. We go tortured by aw please just about five hundred eighty up Baba amount we can get there there is that is that is the best part anyone talk radio because when we were kids gee. Maybe I got ten years on you but you're still bill a kid when the song was playing radio the greatest bar when you were a kid sister go bomb the only part it and of course the song had to squeeze in lips like cherry wine because what what band didn't at some point in their career. They never turn this off. Dawson's take as well on if this is a tool team because he knew what much it's like Jeff sessions. I'm going to accuse my personal bias that makes sense not a toll tune good song good. Song Mike Mark Doc Dyson if you were in my car and he pulled up leaving. Lax Driving Your House I'd be singing a life. He's talking about you can fuck as we I'm sorry did we just does does declare this a good song. Yes we didn't I. I actually personal Bairo biopsies all right. Let's move to a different genre showy. This song I believe is an earworm we we we all know it and none of us know who sings it will ideal robby. Do you probably due to. Let's say thank you I'm. I'm so glad they're still here. Two Point Shit this is a song that it was very popular and I'd like you to tell us if it's a tool tune. Oh penisons finally now. I hate the thought. Bonda lear loves it. I just hate the song. This was this friend era and early this. This is an Arab music. I hated just the sort of just made for made for club on the night of the Roxbury soundtrack. Is it really. Are you just saying it should be. You have to drink like a blue drink when you listen to this. You know something of a lot of fruit in it. I really hate this. This is the bachelor right right down. This is the sound the sound you hear when a podcast farts all right all right right. Let's see why you killed on stage brought the house down okay so we're going to stay in in a little bit of yesteryear with A. I had to pick a Madonna song because it's been a while this song people can claim they hate it. All they want before you said. I'm glad you picked Madonna Song because he has a wide range of bad songs guilty pleasures. Shar legit good songs and tool tune so this this personally will fit squarely in the tool to in category but we're GONNA leave it to you know President Songs Song Lies Ltda Yeah Dreamt Bego Tail Brian. That's a great song but Brian mcdonagh's love to this song. They do not the let it wash over. You might not hook fucking kill so good. The song is awesome windows down no no this is actually kind of like a perfect example the tool to look. It's great yeah but those windows go up. There is no such place as East Levonia though by the way Schengen. I still have no idea what some Bego is. She dreamed framed. Pedro Road St likes the dockworker. I mean come on I I I love. I love the white man's over bite. The eyes are closed the head bopping but what about the windows turn up very good songs great song those those uh-huh going up and it might be gender-specific. You might be able to get away with obviously can't do this yeah. The tool tunes are geared towards men yeah this one. We're going to go back to the two thousands. Just thank you. You'RE GONNA hate this one just because I put it in the wrong. Order should have been up top but it wasn't She got her ass handed tour. I think when the song came out 'cause everyone thought it was stupid but guess what it's great is the other one okay the other Rebecca backup black who's had some hits since and this is a great song tool tune. This self Carlier Jeff's rate example tools. You pop song. Talking Windows are sealed shut. The yeah and this is crazy had had great twist at the end of the video. He's not going to watch the video all right so we're all in agreement. There's a tool tune. Kelly's you and me on the great salt. I'm ashamed that I love cranking. The Post Chorus says later on Song Remember Chat Roulette Okay to the music up just a little bit. There was a guy who blew my mind on chat roulette easy. He became a viral viral star as he should of at four for that. Genre and I'm sure you can find on youtube kind like Harry. Shearer he was a younger guy with a beard and a lot of hair and he would dress in women's swimsuits to this song and have him dancing and the people reaction when he turned around and a full beard and everyone laughing and clapping thinking he was hilarious. Find it if you can because it is it is a joy to watch. He do the best and he looks like a young share all right so the verdict is Hartford Jolt. We only have one bad song on here and I can't really disagree to good songs on yours and Okra. Johnson decided that Elvira was a good song. Now we have two left. Oh yeah this guy is just great. We should put this on the website. It's very it's very funny. The people are horrified and then they embrace it was don's he he does wrecking ball with a wrecking ball finally. Diane Kaelin's cracking up a Lotta. These dudes are trying to jerk. This turns around. It's great. It's a great video media design team all right now. We're going back a little two days of your. This is a song that I defy you to hate. I just don't know what category it falls in. It's a Bouncy bubblegum. Pop hit that you cannot dislike or can you. Brian is a tool tune. Berkeley Lovely Song Herman's hermits from naked gun right. He's tall and tattoos and laughing lovely lovely saw thanks the Beatles were great. The just the Beatles for every other man came in their wake and did Beatles like that was a good time to be a Beatles imitator. Thanks great right now. This you WanNa feel like all oldies of this generation should be exempt from being my boyfriend's back or something something sort of specific of it where you shouldn't be really enjoying public second fog layer over here. Okay I think it was also bubble. Gummy back then it was great it was it's my party and I'll cry if I want to Windows down. I don't care what great again notice no. Let me know okay. Okay great okay cool good son. I have one more. This is the listener submission that I picked out of. This is for this. I'm going to tell you in one moment I instead last night. It'd be fun to have people join in and I got all kinds of missions but a lot of them were really deep polls songs that either did off the top of my head. I didn't think the average person and was very glad you made that delineation because tool tunes by definition have to be popular songs and a lot of people to do what about those obscure track by the Japanese inboard of the album from the live yet so maybe I'm sorry if it's a popular song and I I hadn't heard it but I found one trivia girl one one one two. I love her. She's great. Thank you so much for your submission. You are the big winner out of fifty that came across is this. Maybe the ultimate tool town casing the sunshine bookish this take. How do you not like this groove yeah. It's good it's at one time made them look like novelty song but really casing the sunshine bans catalog was. I think this is like the pulp fiction sound. I got no such out there you go. I've got no problem with this song. I don't feel strongly about a one way or the other of this. There's not a tool windows down for casing the sunshine there enjoy it doesn't. I wouldn't find it on my Radio Matt. Absolutely absolutely I have the night soundtrack which I always have the windows down. I think the boogie nights soundtrack may have exactly taking it from the novelty ran into like Oh. I know there's a cool thing yeah yeah okay all time best soundtracks. It really is well there. You have it everybody on you. You've heard the man you've heard heard. The King of the tool tunes some submissions. Thank you very much and now we're all a little bit more toned more and more and more calibrated someone would sir absolutely greg comeback with some food yes yes. I just was looking at Matt's chart to make sure he doesn't get mad at breath. Madigan mad at US so far okay. We'll try not to hurt feelings. Come back with food tastes and now I fought from geico motorcycle. 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Oh God it was not that big of a deal because we got something else. They were actually been teasing a teaser mentioning a while. That's right so on the old main show. I Dunno is two weeks ago. Maybe we were who I don't remember what the actress who the I love that we the jumping original one that sparked the debate we sure Giovanni will let us know but we we were talking about cute versus hot actresses. I was saying somebody get it. She's very cute. I get it. She's not hot and you guys were outraged just so hot. I'm like okay so I came. Come up with a list to she might be on the list. I came up with a list of actresses or famous people that I and this is no. This is not shaming saying this is not dissing. I it's certainly going to call one way or the other the compliment it'd be punching way up for me to say how how dare tiffany while you're also trying to calibrate much like tool tune thing right throwing up there guys thing yeah and trust me. I'm told all the time how cute and there's a third category so so these are lists of famous women that I believe are strictly solidly in the cute category and we're going to whiparound. I've not been sown this beforehand. Okay now. You are convinced these are all one word hot list to it. You know I just have the cute ones then you have to defend whether they are hot or whether you agree and I have three on here that are on the mount cute more token. They cannot ever be knocked doc right. Are we going to get the other because we have a lot of fellows here in the little good looking at GV squad Gabrielle feel free to weigh in first one. I item up for bid Amy Adams very cute. Yeah Cube solve acute. You solidly acute. Nobody's going to debate me on. That's that's right. Oh Gosh she's very good looking but if I'm to differentiate between cute not yes foss solidly cute yeah totally great. If you're looking now the wrong acute okay next is they're still fighting in their. Dasa wants to know why you're not asking them more about why he thinks thinks that she's. I think she's hot look at her. Go Co so redhead okay so hold on so amy. Adams is smack DAB center of Dawson's sexual template so I'll be. I'm very curious. You'll find out that my template is pretty wide suite because mine so next one I believe is right. Just just the first face on Mount Q. Markelle Molly Ringwald all of the John Us. All of the movies was ever just like her the third category. Nice now no no no no. It's the cute every girl inasmuch as we're designing just between Cuban hot molly ringwald was when I was very popular and I was coming of age having a man she never once. Did I ever think she was hot. Yeah that's right. That's right no time for Molly ringwald not not sixteen candles. Molly ringwald to not pretty in pink. Molly Ringwald Newt not not breakfast club. Thank you okay all right so you agree with me second thoughts. What's our poll here. Here's my additional. Fox also say cute. Does the various roles that the actress play have an impact short. Dolly Ringwald has only played the cute girl the hot sexy one. Even Amy Adams has been on screen before she's no ally sheedy Hula Yeah. That's a good point. the third one. I I also believe is right next to molly ringwald on Mount Cute More Drew Barrymore. Okay okay hold on there. There was a A. Okay when I was becoming a man Jesus. There was a good stretch or drew fixed smoking hot yeah. Oh poison ivy days she's best to find in her career and life as cute kind of his embraced the cute things she has the mouth she was smoking hot for a good stretch of time but that's the thing even if she was technically smoking hot. August et cheese you have a daughter Brian. The lava that Matt we're talking fire-starter through very talk has started fires okay she. She was still cute that she has that that cute way of talking with their head shaking in her mouth moving. She has very well very on the fan. Very what's the word graciously eased into cute vase and she is. She's owns that space but I'm telling you man. There was a good tenure stretch where she was gorgeous. I remember when she played opposite scare. It does she. She made short yes. That's hot drew Barrymore. She made short hair work. She was cute right now but we need the gallery present cute nowhere near the hot scale firm. I think she's pretty hot actually yeah he got okay. I was GONNA say I agree a hundred ball Brian and then he dropped that fire starter line. Get Him out now. He's on a list. That's right all right now. This one I I will understand the debate and the possible backlash because I grew up around the time she grew up. I was much younger her but I I saw that she was a sex symbol in her own right. Better not be Shannen. Doherty now those chicks and make the list but who's cuter than Kelly Ka POW ski tiffany amber know that business hi are you sitting me cute smoking tonight looking at a picture of a fourteen year old but okay goddamn right and I was thirteen. I made me a man okay so just high. She has a show on food network now like she's like forty five and maybe older fifty. Chande still look. I'm not saying I understand that there's room to debate this one but I personally think just the cutest cutest button that not specific picture but like she was on bells. Our Belt knows place or one of those shows as by the bill but maybe she was she melrose to. Oh smoking hot pitcher BECCA. That's cool strong jaw. She's literally so hot that the quicktime crashed more again. I'm not I mean God bless her. I look like her I just I think she's more cute. Okay you can opinions okay. I I doubt anyone's going to debate this one because this is the reigning queen of cute the undeniably adorable as they billboard her from so many years Kendrick so we know you can't immunize repeat very pretty but she's no not on the borderline on this morning. She's very hey pretty. She's so close to her sister hot yeah. Emily's how old is she brian tear. You scare adult bones yeah. That's funny so we're almost all of course. Dawson thinks she's hot but she's a cute very cute. Okay okay all right moving on. We're going to side with the other additional a little bit of a Lightning Round Jennifer Lawrence O. Take never let up. They yeah hot. More really shouldn't be sexy too like she was sexy in American Hustle. She was like she she's you can pull off sexy. She just defines minds cute to me. She's cute. What's wrong with being cute so it's kind of non traditionally attract anyway. What do you guys think. I think that I'm right with you Brian. She's she's very cute but she can pull off hot anytime okay but then on her bio. I also think she's pretty hot but I have a hard time watching her in interviews and stuff. I feel like she's been a celebrity your whole life and she has this weird like she's her walls are up and the way she talks other people she kinda. I'd rather just lines for movies. She talks you know what I mean like when she shamed that reporter for being on his phone while she was getting ready to that type of attitude that she addresses in any interview sounds like that okay okay next the meeting attracted to her. I can't say she's cute. She's got some features that that are you know. I don't know and I can't say she's hot. I will say she's beautiful can't go cuter hot very interesting. I tend to agree with Dawson like she not definitively hot but if I'm choosing the two you are if you're going for classic cute. She doesn't have the classic cute they do. I mean like the fifties model than a cute interesting yeah okay. I believe that this is her total counterpart. Okay on the cute scale Emma Stone Cute. I mean come on WHO's cuter than Emma Stone. We all agree I also they should is really high. You got a good list look. He's got a low threshold. Now this one I think I already know bulb. The Brian's feelings feelings about that. We're going to do it anyway. Anna Kendrick very pretty but but cute yeah like classically pretty like she could be a star like like in the forties but sure but cute. She's pretty cute. I think between cute and hot I can't. I can't put her in that hot hot slot all right moving moving right along. I'M GONNA pass sure she'll be devastating a Kirsten dunst. Oh she's supposed to bring her up when we talked about Jennifer Lawrence light okay. I think I'm in the vast minority here kind of hot like on Spiderman did she looks like a doll. I know it's a cute doll. That's not a good picture. Do I WanNa fuck with me that where she kissed the spider man that's hot toy. She's totally hot. Yeah I got a right place right time for me but yeah she's she's on a AH yeah. What grown man did she have to kiss and I. I don't remember but that was out. She was utter peak. Tom Cruise Brad Pitt sick man. He's all right cool. I think we'd take do we take Hayden Planetarium off the list. Why would you ever take her list. Okay interesting because I believe that I did take off the list but somebody. Mel's must've felt so oh strongly about her. They put her back on that. So how say you to this. heroes are almost no thoughts and Hayden tear in Klitschko now right or was because wasn't she on the show was always felt heroes. Has she been in any movies Brian Surprise. You didn't drop this when she was the little girl in remember the titans. Oh Gosh I actually I actually forgot about that. I see your every now and then and she ignores me really says so. She's stuck up the pass. She's very she's very pretty and voluptuous and all that stuff but not cute. You have thoughts on this. LSU Super High. He loves the SIXES AREN'T YOU. I'm going this next one. I believe it could come to fisticuffs because I feel very strongly about the cuteness of this person however I've I'm. I am ready for a fight Jennifer. Love Hewitt smoke show absolute number one with a bullet all time hottest chick. When I was growing up I was in love with just what the wool sweaters long sleeves. She made me a man. I got this list from Gina like two weeks ago. I said this one isn't crazy to put her on got real mad. All you are in agreement with you. My Hell a Jew remember remember when they tried to kick start her singing career. She was love his love. was that that song like some catchphrase. I think it was like something about you. How do I do I do I deal yeah. It didn't really work out when when we hired aired our night nurse before welcomes pregnant she brought her resume and of course references and one of them was address and phone number like an palisades alligators she was vetted saliva so Dawson gets me but the rest of you falls fools your Gina Thank you. I think the world will will prove your right to yeah. We'll just privy wrong again. Just this isolated room. This is wrong with me. She's Doral. Okay all right. We got. We got a few more. We're going to just run through these because they're starting to Selena Gomez another strong dog weird about this one. I checked. She's she's not okay. First of all all those were jokes but in all oh seriousness let me double everyone. I was making jokes about is now a fully grown beautiful woman this. I feel like I've only known her is like a teen pop thing at Disney thing yeah. I feel this goes back to something I was saying earlier. which is can you take the actresses rolls into consideration because I would say I wouldn't in this case Alina Gomez? I normally wouldn't sprinkle the hot but spring break. She smoking hot by the way just so everybody calms down. She's twenty-seven oh really yeah. Apparently the Internet says Internet doesn't lie. It's pretty hot. I bet she was cute. When I first became aware have Harvard she was twelve but even in spring breakers. She's the cute one ripe right because also in a tiny little bikini looks totally young so now. She has a very youthful which is off putting yeah. Can we all just just to cover cover your asses. Say Cute recused okay this one. I am not expecting a fight on. I mean anyway especially from her prime to now now to whatever Katie Holmes Oh smoking hot Allen at the right time right place Gina Katie Holmes is a Unicorn. She made me a man in what way you will never find a girl as cute and as hot as Katie Holmes. That's actually a really good point she she she dominates both categories interesting. Anyone queued up against her. She kills him but I guess she kills them to. The little doe is not sexy voice but no F- Katie how are you it was between that and who who played do go do a O. Dos Mark Roe by that Gigi Subaru okay great news gift. I mean I'm too tired to debate this so fine. Hailee Steinfeld oh come on this. The child don't girls the nineteen and a half hold on. She's kid either way yeah well. You're just trying to cover your ass no twenty two. She's she's cute and I. I became aware I don't like this okay. There's one more acute definitively Q. One more that I think there is literally no way anyone could debate me. I'm not super wherever she's not a mega mega star but she's a big star Admiral but something about her mouth talks last on the list. The poor woman's Jennifer Lawrence Shailene Woodley. She's very cute. It's not hot. She's right storable gentlemen. You guys are kind of lukewarm honor. She's no Jennifer Love Hewitt Lawrence but didn't feel Vicky divergent came out right after hunger games and she kind of does look like Jennifer Lawrence so I feel like they were trying to do Jennifer Lawrence but not Jennifer Lawrence Yeah Yeah. I also feel like what what was what was it. The meal early in the dying girl or fall stars or one of those fallen are one of those and see it feel like the trailer was in big little lies. I mean I've never run. It doesn't all debate that show with you all day. She was in the fall in are stars whose excellent this little girl. Okay okay all right. Sorry didn't didn't realize that this is going to be You know predatory right so there you have it. Maybe we're a little more inform. Maybe we hate each other a little more but outcast in the world could ever do this. I know that the first season as an big little lies Andy my fiance and I hate watched and maybe got two episodes into the second season and I think that is one of the worst worst shows with the most horrible caricatures of women. I don't understand why people think it's amazing. I don't understand who identifies with it. I don't understand who thinks he's our three dimensional characters. was there a show on the same time called pretty little liars. I call it big. Little Pretty. Little lies are they. Teenagers have lines with Laura dern screaming meaning. I will not not be rich I can't I I've watched season one and I stopped watching it after they killed the vampire dude. It's okay it's early in fact or it doesn't all right cool so we're. GonNa we're GONNA. Ceylan has an announcement of announcement so yeah. The beyond chicken didn't work out. We were GonNa have you tried the chicken cheetos sandwich from KFC sold out apparently at four different KFC's so that was the one that looks like the Cheetos or whatever cheetos on sandwich with the cheeto saucers blindness that thank you for saving us from ourselves. I can't be met. Shit right before the crew either of you were actually going to try it. I was offering my cell phone but yeah all right so we'll move on from that for today. We're GONNA take a critical more show and not only do we have rotten tomatoes. I special guest is going to be playing with us. In a moment. Let's consider consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living most of her life in the dark inside the other nesting dolls. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly she he has no brain however when in most nesting doll here's the Kyko not only saves people money but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. 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Episode 570: I Did Not Know That This Generations Emilio Estevez Was a Woman

Overthinking It Podcast

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Episode 570: I Did Not Know That This Generations Emilio Estevez Was a Woman

"For June third two thousand nineteen, it's the overthinking at podcast episode five hundred seventy I did not know that this generation's Emilio Estevez was a woman. Welcomed over thinking it, where we subject the popular culture two levels scrutiny. It probably doesn't deserve the over thinkers are like your smart. Funny friends from the internet. It's like we've been friends all through high school, but tomorrow we're going to college. And so we have one chance to podcast together and, and let it be a real podcast before. It all goes up in smoke. So we're actually just going to do an episode of this American life for this entire episode now. I know we're actually talking about the film book smart, which is do comedy directed by Libya wild. And I is it her future direct to'real debut? I think so because I, I have not heard of a lot of other feature films directed. By directed by a Livia wild and it's you know tearing up the tearing up the box office charts came in at number eight. So this this week, which is not really saying anything but number six, it's number eight last week, was number six. Oh man. And this, this week it is. It's number eight and it, it seems to be doing pretty well for, for movie of this type anyway before we dive in rather, with me is our usual, my, my usual partner in cast, Pete Fenzl. Hey Pete, a man. I'm psyched that you'll speak French forever. Matt even after graduation. I think we can do our normal. Podcasting friend. Mark is he got stuck at a different party? He he didn't come to this party. He he went to a different one, but he'll be he'll be back next week at our at our one week reunion of this podcast. And we, we are glad to be joined by our good friend. Amanda of Assad, Zhou dot thank you very much for joining us. Well, come prom. Woo. Oh my God. Am I on this movie, but don't care problems? Alright. So let's let's, let's dive in I, I want to say something to start about about this movie. We see so much uniformly extruded corporate film product. That, that I am a kind of happy to see and talk about on this podcast of film that has some media sync Crecy, some personality and personality. That's not like finely calibrated and focus groups to within an inch of its life. Some, some personality like an and even risks sort of being bad, but, but even risks being kind of not for everyone in, in some parts. And, and it's just you know, I don't know as as a first feature. It's a little messy. Not not completely tight. You know, as a work of storytelling narrative, storytelling visual storytelling, or any number of things. But like, but I don't know it, it, it has a quality of, of uniqueness and has a quality of. Heart. I guess that I that I really appreciate it and responded to. But I know in, in preparing for this we had a long chat online, and you guys sort of delved into this film, as a teen movie. So I guess let me ask you Amanda, what even is a teen? Movie. So I think for many, many years, like, you know, with, like John Hewson, everything t- movies were movies that focus on high school. And I think the big thing that differentiates a teen movie from a movie about teens is that a teen movie always has a big mission. And it usually involves Brom a lot of them is like losing your virginity like American pie or like finding a day to prom or like tricking girl to go to prom with you, like she's all that, or ten things I hate about your and like a lot of the best relationships are based on. Totally exactly. I mean you just gives it that extra spice. We're, we're launching the mypillow ladies cinematic universe. I love what you're saying there. Amanda, I would add to it to put it in to sort of take that in put it in literary context if you think of the realm of coming of age stories, a teen movie, it is two things, right. It is teen and it is movie. It is a highly compressed coming of age story. And I would even venture to say where there is a the shoes to make a team movie because you want to see the transformation that happens through a sort of an adolescent transformation from a child into an adult compressed down into kind of a singular event, where multiple different through lines of personal transformation are all happening at once, and they often are very high concepts and have the same concept. I mean, you know, the thing that is happening is kind of dominating the story, as it's the problem. Oh, it's you know like. The bets to lose your virginity like my fair lady, my fair lady is sort of a team, although I guess I'm just thinking she's all that which is the best improvement on my fair lady with Freddie, prince junior and whatnot. But, but just. Yeah. Like you have these story beats that happen that compress the path of coming of age, which is sort of path of kind of rebelling from the status quo, and kind of coming back into a new status quo kind of figuring out how you fit into the world. Whatever the scope of the world is you on this journey to fit into the world. And that's like coming of age well at a team that you do that in an hour and a half, and you do it by some sort of highly symbolic thing that because it is so symbolic can carry the weight of, of transformations that would generally take much longer amount of time it is what I would venture to say, and I would even to say that the team movie range and man, I want to hear your take on this that there are a lot of teams that aren't strip. Equally. Most of them are kind of naturalistic issue comedies with a heavily melodramatic flare. Right. There's melodramatic comedies that could conceivably happen behind a fourth wall, but not really there are some dramas, but, like, yeah, you know, teen movies often lead more towards comedic, while it also even say that, there are high-concept scifi movies that are a sensibly team movies like is twilight teen. Movie is kind of a question. Right. Is, is labyrinth a T movie is kind of a question. In the sense that they're all kind of tackling this highly compressed personal transformation. I mean I don't know. Maybe you had a lot of other thoughts about. Where is this sort of edge of this particular, spear of the Vendee Aram with regards to t- movies, and kind of what's happening team movies versus movies about teens? Yeah. It's interesting probe twilight. I was just talking to my cousin an actual teen before this podcast at action relied team. Did you? Products and brands now also the payroll of like getting us way. Of course, an actual, teen only by American or like anglophone standards because she's nineteen and outside of anglophone countries, the second, you turn eighteen year legally an adult so you're no longer a teen. Stay team because of the whole teenager nineteen thing. So anyway, she's a team by your standards council. We let me ask you a very side question in how they're in non anglophone cultures. Are you saying that the root word for being sort of spunky skateboard riding lessons is not the same root word as it is for numbers between thirteen and twenty ended up at all still end the same way? And we do use the word the lesson and thing is in non. Anglophone blanco's. The word at a lesson stands in opposition to the world. Adult like one kind of excludes. The other. Gotcha. Gotcha have both. And so the fact to me that, like Americans consider, you know, nineteen year olds teenagers is very confusing because it's like, but, but how how it's like, when it's all an American, they're like, Jonah Reeves is like kind of both wide and a person of color. It's like legal. But how why it's the whole person of color white, it's the Tina though, like those two things don't. Can't co exist together, even if they factually do somehow depending on your cultural frame. Are you talking about someone being not, not, not a girl, but not yet a woman that senseless it's like Enron team related right there, many years to be not a girl, not yet a woman. Whereas in other countries like drastically deterrent eighteen bam Auriemma girl. Or you look at the calendar. That. I mean, that's sort of interesting just to, to just pull us way down into this rat hole. I mean, thirteen in, in English, like eleven twelve thirteen through nineteen is isn't it a contraction of three and ten four in ten five and ten? Just I thought it was a contraction of teen wolf. Thirteen teen wolf, a fourteen fourteen wolf, a five, teen wolf and wolf got dropped over time after the Norman conquest, it's up to the mid teen. Wolf it just started referring to as teams so. Okay. So let me let me, let me just go to wicks Inari here. The, the here's what the real teen said, there is something that a real, teen actually said, that's relevant to this movie that will find out. But I bet. Absolutely. Well, I mean as thirteen I looked up thirteen so meeting louche thirteen variant of third thirteen from old English thirteen fair. Protege manic. And a so there are cognitive in Dutch German and Danish, there's a cognate in Dutch fat. God German, those words just end with seeing, which is the word for ten so titan fits in food, San so just five ten. Okay. So it's a it's a dramatic. No such word as a seeing nature. Yeah. So it's a it's a it's a like it's a marketing word, right? Like, it's I feel like it's a it's an American marketing word, and, and the idea that like sort of adolescence was invented in the industrial revolution to kind of Mark the time at which it's okay to go to work in a factory. Right. As the economy develops. The teenage years are sort of invented as a way of, of keeping people in highschool for for for a little bit. So, so what did this real fake teenager have to say about the about the film? I will get to that in just so another factor just realized that also helps with this whole stretching of the NADA, not a girl, not yet a woman thing in American culture, that you guys can't drink until you're twenty one. You stay teenagers would be longer. You know, everybody else either you get every single one of your adult rights that eighteen or you finish getting them at eighteen like the very last one comes at eighteen. Like, I don't, I can't think of on your rights, that a German, or a Brazilian kit or whatever would get at after eighteen lake at eighteen you got them all your legal adult in every way possible. Can they rent cores? I'm pretty sure because because here you can't read a car until you're twenty five, but it's even crazy because guess start driving your earlier. So you have more experience. All right. What was the what was the read, so real? She was telling me I was asking about teen movie. She told me she loves them, but then she mentioned a bunch of the ones from my time. Like, you know, not another team movie which is more of a parody of teen movie, but I would still put in the John Rhea. She's all that, all of those and Ashur what's up with t move is in her generation. And we'll we realized this when she was growing up there. They weren't making teen movies, the way, I understand the whole mission thing like they were making movies about teenagers, but they weren't t- movies in quotation marks, like high school musical, and twilight, which is a vampire movie that happens to feature teens or high school musicals by the Disney. Universe something something what have the Disney channel unified universe? I forgot the words anyway, basically the formula that like went from John Hughes to the late nineties early two thousands kind of stopped beating being made the same way that rom coms kind of disappeared for a while. And now they're back there. We're back with vengeance. If set it up on Netflix didn't do a crazy rotations. Really did always be my maybe and now book smart 'cause the thing that, you know, one thing that happened was when lady bird came out, everybody flipped out over it, and I really enjoyed it, it was a great movie. But people were talking about it like this, like mind blowing groundbreaking thing. And I didn't understand it until I realized, it's because lady bird wasn't a teen movie. It was like a ninja drama slice of life that happened to focus on a team. Yeah. But it's I mean when you say everybody went crazy over lady bird, that's only true for a very specific. Definitely one hundred percent talking about my specific corner of Twitter, which is very, very specifically just for Roseanne cast members. That's like the subset of people. But what happens is team went away and why came in right? Yeah, exactly. And now you know, book smart is kind of the return of that, like people connected to lady bird. Because being Feldstein was not the titular character. But the titular character's best friend, lady bird, but book smart is a return of the old fashioned traditional teen movies. There's a question in these movies about sort of who their who their made by. They're not made by teenagers. Honestly, if you wanna see teen cinema. It's on vine more than it's on or the. Tick tock. Yeah, exactly. I'm five years, too late with my vine reference. Exactly. That's because I'm not one of these kids anymore, but, like, yeah, it's, it's, it's going to be online, rather than on, on the kind of big screen, the cinema street is screaming. And that's, that's like, you know to. It's, it's interesting to live in a time, where the means of production of democratized to an extent that there can actually be a teenage cinema that, you know, that sort of exists in that is a thing that you can sort of see and study, though, you can't really see it because I don't have tick talk. You know, I don't look at that stuff. But like. But presumably, I guess I could and and and then a sort of cinema about teams. But before that was the case like in, in the John Hughes. You know, in the, in the John Hughes, kind of heyday, you know, he, he was praised a lot, I guess, for making films about teenagers that actually to a certain extent rang true to teenagers about their about their experience, and, and we're not super patronizing or were not, you know. Tunis Stahl GIC like like Greece or something like that. You know, looking back at, at a time in America, that never happened in a time in Adelaide and development that actually never happens. You know, the grease the grease lightning developmental phase. Now I mean, it's, it's I think he accomplished this by actually making movies about people because teenagers appearances to the contrary notwithstanding our people, and, you know, the, the I realized that, like, John Hughes, now is problematic. And we you know we never liked him to begin with but. I think there are at least two there at least two distinct. I think there are two distinct kinds of things that you can look at one is like, teen exploitation, movies, that is to say you're exploitation, in the sense of film distribution. Like you're trying to get a teen audience for this movie the other girls. Yeah. Yeah. And the other is like. Nostalgia movies movies, about movies sort of about your, your teen years and kind of like about about coming of age in like, stand by me is an interesting film, in this in this regard, because it's not. It's sort of emission movie sort of not emission movie like they don't start out with the mission. They develop it later and it's. Yeah. Anyway. So like so that, and like the but then I think in, in the contemporary world with authenticity discourse, being what it is. You know, it's, it's almost like you have to there's a lot of ceremony and there has to be kind of a lot of apology around the idea of. Around the idea of like, well, no it's not made by real teenagers. But, like we got as close as we could or something like we got, you know, the, the claim to, like, anthropological accuracy has to be, you know, I don't know how has to be there, somehow whether or not it makes it damn bit of difference in terms of the, the artist equalities of, of this film. And I think that, that, you know, I don't know. There's certain gestures at this movie makes towards. Towards that. But that it's, it's sort of interesting. But so the I mean I just brought up my actual teen cousin to bring street credit to my appearance in this podcast. No. I get it. The I mean we all have to like, you know, we all have to, like find find a way in my, my way in is through management theory. I love it. And so here's here's I want to talk about smart goals for a second because the mission of this movie is not a smart goal. The mission of this movie is we're, we're going to have some fun. We're going to like, live, it up have some fun before high school is, is over because the day, the day after the last day of school is the day you graduate. So. You know, so the, the smart goal is, is doctrinal that's meant to describe good goal setting for project planning in, you know, large scale project management. It's an acronym that stands for specific measurable attainable relevant, and timely, so attainable relevant, and timely are all qualities that this goal this, that their mission has like they can have fun. They can go have some fun. It is relevant. To their experience, that they have fun. So it's not like it's not like their goal is to, I don't know build a butter sculpture of the school mascot, and, like make a movie about that. That would be an era fickle. And it is it is timely. It's time bound in a sense, like tomorrow, we'll come and we'll know whether we've had will tomorrow will come and there will be a time at which we can assess, or we should be able to assess whether we'd have fun or not. The can we assess that is this specific and, and is it measurable, I guess, it gets shockingly, relevant to the movie. One thing that happens that at many points during the night, Amy wants to go home and Molly saying we're not there yet. They're not there yet because there's no way to measure it. We can't declare victory. What is there? You know, there's no there now the operationalize this as we're going to go to Nick's party, and they kind of there is kind of a second unstated thing, which is that we're going to. We're going to get busy smooch with some with, with our romantic interests. But, but sorry you want to jump in. Oh, I wanted to offer a, a brief case study as an example, right before we got vaguely. So, for example, considerable that influences this movie Harold, and Kumar go to white castle yet. Right. So is it specific? Yes. They're going to light castle, even discuss while framing their goal, whether they are going to a specific white castle or whether either of the white castles in New Jersey or acceptable. They determined that they are going to a white castle. Right. And so it and then it is specific. And then what's the well, it's not only specific as to what the goal is to specific as to who does it. Right. As Harold and Kumar are the team is heralded Kumar. Right. They are assigned to the project, right? And they will though the project is over when they have arrived at presumably have eaten food at the white grass mostly. It's going to wake up because we've all sat in meetings. Right. Where like very specific action items are formulated, but not delegated. And so that, you know, that's a failure to measurable. You know how do we know? How do we? Yeah. How do we know? We're at white castle. Right. And well, it's observable. Right. We could see that it's a white castle. There's a sign it was a very clear distinction between the white castles and other places that are not white castle. It's not like a judgment call. Well, it's like, oh well, you know, we're at a Little Caesars that sort of close. No, it's not like we're going to the burger joint, we're going to white castle, right in Little Caesars isn't even a burger joint. But so, so it's specific because it's Harold and Kumar, and it's white castle rights, measurable because, you know, whether you've arrived at the white castle or not, and the even talk specifically about the amounts of hamburgers, like numbers of hamburgers that they want eats when they arrive at the white castle refining their goal. Right. And making this whole thing feel more actionable right Vic and then a actionable, right? Attainable. Right. Attainable. Can they go to white castle it really seems like they can't? Right. There's a whole bunch of things that make it seem like they can. But it turns out that they can certainly when they set out, it seems like they can write when they set the goal it seems like going to white castle is attainable. They're not saying, oh, we're going to go to, you know, we're going to go to Spencer's in Mark's. Right. We're going to swim across the Atlantic Ocean. And we're going to we're going to March and Spencer's rather, we're gonna go to a British department store. No, we're going to white castle are in New Jersey that is where we're headed. And then is it relevant? Yes. Why castles always relevant and timely hung? Right. And so they, they don't set a strict, so yeah, it's relevant is because they're hungry, and timely would be like, yeah, it's not herald, an and Kumar go to white castle before eight tomorrow morning. That's that's interesting. It's not time yet. And then that particular sons, right, right, right? But to contrast it with one of the things that this does is that once you have all of these things down. Once you have the. Plan down. Nobody really assumes that everything is always gonna go according to plan. But because you've set a goal that has all these characteristics when you encounter obstacles, you can keep your eyes on the goal and you can re focus and redefine on the goal. Okay. It's Neil Patrick Harris on a horse. What are we gonna do? Well, specifically, what we have to do. You have to go to white castle right at cetera et cetera. Whereas and that also helps with I think the humor of it being a comedy because it helps you kind of play variations on themes in helps you kind of throw things at them. The movie kind of feels grounded in the task that they're trying to accomplish as well as in their relation to it. And they've, they've norms before they had outright as a team doesn't some norm ING, but in book smarts, yet, we don't have a book smart goal. Right, right. Where it seems like maybe they've read some theory about having fun. But they haven't done a lot of practice in having they have to play in, when they've gone to a party, whether they've gone to a party because. Yeah, because it's not measuring. And have to refine on the fly with their goals are as opposed to reacting in the moment to obstacles, and if they were to react to the moment to obstacles, then then we can watch them react, and them sort of going living in the problem of reacting to the obstacles, is how you get to that screwball comedy vibe that they're sort of that this movie is related to, but not in love with right at it's like it's a teen movie, and it, it doesn't, like, necessarily that it's a teen movie but it is it doesn't necessarily like that it's made in the DNA of screwball, teen comedies, but it is, and it has this influence of this total influence here in one of the drafts or whatever. Yeah. And it's and they have. And because they have to kind of keep moving the goalposts that makes it less funny and makes it more dramatic like they have to keep redefining. Who they are what they want. It's not like we have to get laid by graduation. Right. Yeah. That's everything knows that everyone knows about German teenagers. Is that you'll plan everything like you ever is regimented? Jovan team movie is about getting some in a sense about the time accomplishing cast hunting around, it's going home and get to go home in time to get the good night's sleep. So that you could go to the factory in the morning. Right. That is that is a team movie and they can have it because they have they have the particle and the quality. There's actually, you know, Hansson Clayton east. Go to go to go to studio castle. Yeah. I mean so. So like, what, what is the what is the goal? I mean, really, I don't know these things like an and this things are sort of subsets of quest narratives. Right. And they. Even the ones that aren't about boning are about boning you know, like you're gonna going to stick the sword in the monster. Right. Like very Queen or something, you know, we're or or in this movie diving into the swimming pool and in repr-, replacing the phallic in penetrative imagery, with one of kind of like Jahic surrounded nece. Right. It's that was that was. This is not a this is a movie, not about penetrating the pie. But the moisture that is within the. And as the state of being. Yeah, exactly. It's about being involoved by by the pie. You know like. But that's yeah. I mean, it's, you know, it's gosh, it's, it's interesting. I mean they they. They. They talk about sex in this movie, the characters do in a way that strikes me as sort of realistic in that it is sort of it's over mature, and also kind of under mature right like it. You know, it's clear they masturbate. It's clear that they talk about that they live in a culture where like there probably is a lot of like very self serious like sex education that happens in their social economic mill you. Right. They and they're also in a kind of. High school social group that would probably have read, you know, the classics of, like, you know, second way feminism or something that, that, you know, they, it is that kind of they have that kind of like Dawson's creek penis to them where they're they seem like, extremely extremely literate, and then also like very inexperienced as well, like with the actual kind of human, human dimensions the aspects that are Messier than the messy is pie is like the sort of interpersonal interpersonal dynamics, and the thing of like you have to go up to someone and talk to them, or like you don't like they don't like you just because you like them. You know, the those those sorts of things and kind of like getting a sort of over developed fantasy life that, that has to do with, like living in your head a lot and not. Not, you know talking about not talking about. The actual here here now like actual actual lived experience, and, like I sort of loved. I mean, I loved the scene in this warming pool. You know, it seemed like one of the few times when the movie got this sort of did something. Did something a little bit allegorical that was not theatrical. Right. Because it worked as there were all kinds of theatrical moments in this film, like both in the kind of self conscious performance that we all do now because we all are little tourists with cameras in our pockets and, and also are live in a social, cultural discourse, where it seems like everything's been done. And all you can do is kind of quote, things back and forth to each other. And, and then sort of Seattle in the sense of like non realistic non Representative filmmaking, you know, which is one of the things that I enjoyed gave gave this movie's sort of personality. Right, the, the theatrical aspects of it, but this typing, the swimming pool like is a thing that you do at high school parties, or at least that I did it at many high school parties. Right. And not like it had all the it had all the aspects right? It was a pool full of water and she dived into it complete realism in all those in all of those aspects. But then also like jumping into the water the idea of going into the deep end, you know, all the kind of metaphorical aspects to it the fact that, like you come into contact with people's bodies. The fact that people are like, by and large more unclothed than they go about, you know data. A day. Especially at a party where you don't plan to swim where he's strip down to your underwear. Like there's this sort of sexy aspects to it. And like she sort of undergrad, and there's also a sense, in which it's like another world under the under the under the under the I can't wait for the live action of that one, the live action remake of that Disney film, by the way, actually shot by real mermaids, you know, in an actual underwater ocean environment. So the. The kind of going in and you know, I don't know. And it's sexy and you have to kind of, like, move your body around in a new in a new way in order to kind of navigate, this underwater, realm, you have to, and you see people's you know, you see people's legs and you see this not, and you, you also and then it was like it was too good. It was too zoo Behrendt at that moment. And I thought, oh, poop lake bad. Things are going to happen to both of these characters right now. You know, because it got to the pendulum has swung too far. It's like really, really highlighting, the fact that like things are going very well. And. And so, yeah, then than it than the, the kind of the disappointment. And the, the low point has to, has to sort of happen. I you know, I don't know. But it but I, I sort of appreciated it felt like it kind of felt exuberant and kind of exhilarating. In a way that was earned you know. And not just not just sort of you weren't just sort of told that this is like, exuberant exhilarating. Right. Right. Definitely I think that this is a really beautiful scene. I remember like watching the movie, you know, the whole move very fun and funny, but watching her swimming pools, the first time I actually feel like you're at the party and you're having a good time and you feel like you're in their places. Yeah, it also feels like one of the first really sincere vomits of discovery right where they were they really they see something that they haven't seen before. There's that moment of para Petya where she recognizes that Nick. And, and Ryan Brian yet Ryan, Ryan are, are hooking up, right? And it's like, oh, this is the kind of forbidden knowledge, that you get when you go beneath the waves of the right when you go beneath the surface, you see the truth, and the truth is kind of horrible and shocking and dramatic. And yeah. And then I can't help with code trust the movie in these respects to one of my favorite similar movies. And I guess we can maybe ring the changes a little bit on a couple of the different movies that are related to this movie. Whether it wants them to be or not one of them. One of them is my personal favorite team movie of than not, another teen movie, which is beautiful, which is can't hardly wait, which I really feel connected to because, you know, I watched it, you know, it was I think I came up the year before. I graduated I think but I watched it again. When I graduated so it's very much of my moment. Right. And, and the sense of this sentiment -ticipant in that movie, and the kind of the relationships between the on some among the on samba cast in that movie. That to me really spoke to the way in which these people are all kind of moving forward as individuals. They're also kind of moving forward together. But there's also this relation between you kind of encountering this world in a relatively new light. And you were previously, you were small, but also the consequences of things that can happen to you or someone limited, and in, can't hardly wait. There's this sense of anticipation of like, I'm going to be really big. I'm going to transform and be this, like, greater person this adult person. But then, along with that the kind of humiliations and consequences and the stakes of what that means, and it's all in the context of like a screwball comedy are also elevated rights spiritual levels, like there's angels on this on the park benches, right? Talk to you about kind of your long night of the soul. However, cliche, and hetero, normative at might be. And there's the Senate and the character is also have these kind of, like, really intense desires, that they're trying to satisfy whether it's like, I really need to prove something, or I need it really need to. To my status or I love this person or, or like I'm so I'm so crushingly insecure. And one of the and you mentioned that in book, smart these this is a mature. These are mature teenagers who you have the sense are not kind of being show. They're not like finding the pornography, right? Like under the bed riday nowhere is they just choose not watch most of the time. Right. It's not like oh man. There's not this sort of, like, huge sense of like, wow. This world is kind of unknown, and I have this impetus to kind of engage with it. And also engage with myself, that's like overwhelming in this moment, where everything is sort of coming together in his great moment in transition. And this movie is like that the characters are more stayed and balanced. And that kind of means that it doesn't have that sense of like graduation is the transformation. Is it really what this movie is about? It's it does put a ticking clock and what they're trying to accomplish. But it's even more like they're looking to kind of. Would I describe it as it's like this is a movie with an unreliable narrator, and the unreliable narrator thinks that she lives in a teen movie, but she does it and she's trying to understand the world around her based on her own confidence. Right. And I guess you could even say if you really wanted to kind of stretch it and kind of be the reader interpreter, rather than the writer interpreter. I'm sure you could say she is book smart because she knows what teenagers are supposed to be like, and she sees the teenagers around her. And she assumes that they are the way that she thinks that they are supposed to be. It is perhaps, not equipped sentence that her name is Molly. Which is like Molly ringwald the classic kind of teenage movie teenage girl. Right. The kind of from the John Hughes movies. Oh, that's a whole other Kella fish. We'll talk about that in a second. But just this idea of like, and then the big revelations in the movie aren't necessarily revelations of things that happened to her their revelations that her idea of what the world around her was like are wrong, and our ideas of what her relationship with her friends or like a wrong and. About kind of breaking this notion of what teenagers can and can't do. And it also breaks a whole bunch of other things, but it's not about the graduation changing them. It's about the graduation, being the time limit for her to have really understood what high school was all about, which is apparently hanging out with fantasy wealthy people without really recognizing just how privilege, they all are. But anyway, sorry here you getting into in like what she's trying to -ccomplish that, it's the opposite of other team movies where like they have a goal. And so I got the thought I just have to put into herds. I think it's the thing of like she realizes the, you know, the last little bit of high school. She didn't properly experience highschool. And it's not a matter that thinks change after graduation. Is that she's never going to be able to have that experience, if time runs out and she's out of high school 'cause is just a total different thing. It's a different circumstance context. So she's. Trying to, you know, she had four years that she didn't use it all in debt since, and she's trying to retroactively relive high school and do it right this time in one night, because that's all she gets and after that she's going to be in a whole other context for friend isn't going to be there anymore. She's going to be with kids who have already lived at. So that's her last chance to live all that Al with Pierce, our own age were also going through the same things, I would, I would, I would I would agree. And I would add that she wants to have done it. I think yeah. I don't think she actually wants to do it. I don't think it's like oh man. Like, you know, I haven't had sex yet, and I really wanna have sex really bad. Right. It's like I want to be I realized that I thought that I made myself the per-, the right and I'm not the image of myself that I have created for others. And for myself through my actions, matches the full realization of my high school experience, is a this is a movie in which the characters are snapped chatting, or Instagram. I don't think whoever is doing. Didn't pay them enough. Right. So I don't think we actually find out what social media platform, they're using or is, I'm not sure they did. They did name check lift a lot lift gave them some money. But, but it's like it's not necessarily that she wants to party, because she feels like she was missing something. It's, it's that she wants to realize that her sacrifice look, silly or looks like she she's not as well rounded as the other kids, and she's trying to fix that in the less second should right? What she wants the, the idea that you only finds out at the end that her co evolves. You know, are smart like her classmates are, are capable as she is getting into, you know, highly selective colleges. You know, I don't know whether or not they all pretended to be on the soccer team or something like the. That school just has a room with a rowing machine in it, and a green screen, that's just how it's called guidance counselor at the top. That's right in the jail. The whole thing seems like. I don't know seem sort of implausible to me that level of, you know, specially someone who's supposed to be book smart who supposed to be kind of smart, unlike perceptive and like good at doing homework in sort of able to go to the library. Fist-bump the librarian and look up a whole bunch of, like, you know, county, like, like county assessor property tax records. She says Baluyevsky. Librarian school. Good times memories. But that's like. You know, and also not have compiled a dossier on, on where know, AAA or, or other people are going to school, you know, and have not like the idea, and, and I realized this is this is because it's a story, right? Like this is the attributes aspect to it, this is because you give it you give it twenty four hours and it's it, you know, it becomes metaphorical, right? And like the. The thing that sort of ends the first act, right? Like the idea that. You know, I don't know the idea that she asked to that, that her world is shattered the that her perspective is shattered, and she is not, you know, the only high achieving student at this at this high school. She's just the most uptight. Right. Like that has to come in the first act because it has to it provides an impetus for a lot of the. The other things to, to, to do, but like, you know. The. The, the mission that they embark on seems like an insufficient response to the sort of new reality that they're encountering, right? Like the whole thing is pretext to get to the fight that they that they have at the at the party, right? Like, because the whole it's not the head. It's not that like you are insufficient. And you need to do something, you know, have sex go to prom. Whatever to prove that you are a complete person or a worthy adult or whatever, you know, cool enough, or or had time or like at least enjoyed a day, like famous bueller. No, it's. The thing the thing about this, this movie in this character like, considered. Seriously taken seriously is like you are so fundamentally broken as a person that like every thing about you is built on lies, right? Your, your best friendship is built on line. Is your sense of, of status the kind of the shreds of status and dignity that you cling to its school is built on lies and you can tell it's built on lies because it's this sort of, it's this black and white, you know, take no prisoners listening to? Listening to, you know the meditation. The guided meditation at the brutal. Yeah. Exactly. Right. And it's like the, you know, the streets will run with the blood of those who oppose you, you know, that, that, like that is the too much the, the young lady doth protest too much. And, and like that's not. Ever really addressed in a straightforward way in the film. So it feels it feels like a film that ought to be about something else. Ought to be about something else, but is about what it's about, while kind of glancing at this something else? And like the. The paradigmatic seem for me in this is the scene when. Oh, what is the Caitlyn Deavere character called Amy? When Amy picks Molly up at home. And, you know, she does a whole lot of like dancing imposing an like generally being silly on the steps. On the way down. You know. By the way, she lives in an apartment building. And everyone else seems to live in a house. So like, is there some sort of economic anxiety that undergirds her need to like to hyper achieve, and like, you know, to overachieved and like perform, like peak performance stuff, you know, completely completely not addressed, but she does all these dance moves, and then, then immigrants gets out of the car, and does some dance moves to. And it goes exactly nowhere. It's like okay is this done is this bit? Like literally? That's how the scene ends. And you know. To a certain extent, like. A lot of things. A lot of more important questions are gloss over by doing like a funny dance and then asking is this bit done now. Yeah, I think Pete brought up pretty in pink earlier. And I think the thing is it looks like that's what they were going with it, and they just forgot to actually go there, 'cause she's, you know, in pretty in pink. Molly ringwald character is significantly poor lower income than the other school kids. And that's a big blob point lake she's kind of treated badly in school because of its, she makes her own prom dress, which I'm sorry, but she took two decent dresses and turn it into one eighty s thing. But anyway. And that's the big rig a point, it's meant to be said sarcastically. What are the dresses was really nice? She didn't have to do it to that dress ever done to her. But anyway, I think this movie was clearly heading this direction because she really does live in an apartment. And I don't really I've never been to allay, but I got the sense that like that would have been a really nice apartment for like a young adult or young couple, but it didn't really seem like a place big enough for like a whole family and stuff. And you never see her family. They're not even mentioned. And, you know, you see molly's barons all the time and it's heavily implied. The other kids, all live with their parents, because know they'll have gigantic houses and stuff, the kid that has the murder mystery party whose, who just sitting there waiting for the party to be over. And I think the whole not seeing her family life at all seeing she lives in the apartment just come out on her own kind of implies that, like, maybe she's raised by a single mom and her mom's busy and she's not around much. But they never went anywhere with that. And that would explain the whole superiority complex. And why should work so hard and never took a break and never enjoyed anything because she really did must have felt like she had to like everybody else had connections and money. Bribes possib. And she just had this one way to get into college, which is to try her absolute hardest and just not have alive. Yeah. It's interesting how this lines up because pretty in pink is totally what he other movies, that's in the DNA of his movie, and it's it's been flipped in a bunch of ways, right? Because pretty in pink is this movie about this low, this working class teenage girl who wants to be with this upper middle class set of clean cut guy, and has a best friend who is like a sort of quirky authentic, lovable guy. And I think even John Hughes wanted the quirky authentic lovable guy, and the working class, girl end up together. But it tested poorly with audiences. And so the happy ending at the end of the movie is that the upper class, upper middle class guy who is more normal is the one who ends up with the working class, girl. And that's kind of validating for her that she really is pretty and assigning bit of trivia, Duckie was originally supposed to be played by Robert Downey junior. Oh. I wonder why that didn't happen. Probably some sort of work life balance issue. Get to management issue on that. But like, but this movie flips that on its head. Right. Because the movie has, has Nick, who is the sort of sort of normal guy. Right. And he's the sort of lower status guide to her because he's the vice president, and she's the president, and then it has a Jared is his name. Right. Who is the Duckie character? He's the weirdo, who has the who has the trans AM and with the blue with red flames, which is great. And he but he's super-rich like he's a billionaire or something right? Like he has a gigantic. Oh, usher yacht or something like that, right? Whereas at least capable renting one on short notice at putting his face on a bunch of things, which is not that expensive, but the, the whole prospect, it seems like Jared is sort of weird aloof super rich. And everybody else is like merely very wealthy and, and he's trying to interrogate this idea. I think that, like, poorer people are. Antic and richer. People are fake with this idea of, like, the, the misunderstanding about what's going on with the normal people in her school, and their relatives sort of intellectualism and then also the guy that she ends up with is the weird guy and also the rich guy. So it's something of an apple loggia for eccentric wealthy people in this sort of, like shadow version of book smart which like fifteen percent of remains in the final movie. Right. This sort of, like shadow movie that seems to have gotten because they, they kiss full on the mouth onstage at graduation, which I think is the first physical affection. They show each other in the entire movie, and they barely know each other. Right. You gotta think set they said together on the mantelpiece, and they he told her that he was into Broadway musicals. So there you find it. They may have been demolished characters. I guess ever. That's true. That's true. It's maybe that's exactly what her dream was, which was to have an ugly, Instagram -able moment. It's like the problem with kisses since there, too personal. I wanna have my parents and everyone else spending, like how about I have my first ever kiss in the middle of a baseball fueled. I'm sure that'll assuage ring Ziobro, right? But it's but it's like what does that mean that the feminine here, here's the mission statement for that version of the movie, right? Which is like, hey, straight white men. It's okay for you to have a transam with flames on it, but you're Zan with flames on it needs to be a feminist space. Right. Like like it. It's sort of like she could enter into this world of kind of privilege in power and find a companion there. And because she believes herself and because she's a feminist in his kind of, like, not internalized inferiority shit. Yo he is a worthy partner for her, not the other way around. Right. And like she could be his he could be her psychic. I guess. But it's like, but the movie, I mean, there's not nearly enough left of this plot in the movie to understand exactly what it was. They were going for, especially with the frigging drugged out lady character who shows up all the frigging time, right? Like what's up with that character? What's going on? Yeah. But then, but then, like, she's look it's gloss on the idea that like people have hidden depths, right? Like you kind of can't judge. You can't judge a book by by its cover, but the it's sort of taken to a ridiculous extreme, isn't it like it's not the, the breakfast club. Vision of like, hey, we're all jock. We're all a burn out. We're all at nerd, you know, which is not, which is in fact, not true like that statement is false that the film makes but it's not like she has to be like a legit concert pianist. In order to like, in order to demonstrate that has some sort of some sort of hidden depth, which is something about sexism because the Jared, the male version of that of that character like who's giving away, ipads, in the gift bags of, of his yacht party that no one wants to go to all he has to do is say that he wants to be an airplane, engineer and not like that humanizes him, but she's got a she's got a play a whole whole thing on, on the piano. But, like, just as, as we sort of come towards the end of our high school experience here together like looking at that scene that graduation scene. It's, it's sort of it's interesting. And it might be a good place to end because like the the. The seems like the the read the we're arriving at is this movie is, is sort of a hetero glossy at right? Like or or is kind of multi vocal. Anyway, they're, they're different different kinds of movies that wanna get out inside this movie and the there are kind of multiple versions. You know what it is, whether that's like an artifact of the way it was written with, you know, the script going through different writers hands, or like a director, coming in, or the hands of of, you know, I guess, we'll feral out of MacKay we're involved in like whoever in the chain of like shepherding. This property into production and through editing and into the theater, like, however that came about. Like it does seem like a little bit like early Hebrew scripture, right? Like we're Genesis has, like, two or three versions of the creation story. And, you know, the Hebrew bible has a couple of different versions, a few different versions, actually, of the Decca, log, like this is a movie. This movie is a palim sess, it's written and written over and written over and written over again. And so there are multiple versions of the apotheosis, right? Is the THEO says, when she bus her friend out of jail is it when she gives the speech at her graduation? Right. If Tom stoppard wrote, this, this movie if he did an uncreditworthy, rewrite, there would have been this beautiful eloquent speech that I was kind of looking forward to end dreading also at the same time is it when she kisses, the boy? Is it when she drops her friend off at the at the at the airport? And but then Amy like disappears in like she's, she's, they're going to go out for pancakes together before she gets on the plane. Where's your suitcase by the way, you know, where's your suitcase? Keep your keep your bags attended at all at all times. I think it's actually. I think it's actually the moment in which she drives up with, with Jared is the, the film that, that emerged like that's where it's heart mostly is because it it involves. A certain kind of performance. It involves kinesiology it involves sensation. You know. And. And, and everyone stands up and applauds for it. Like, that's that's to me. That's kind of the moment that's like the high. That's the measurable, you know, the measurable part like, how will we know when we have come of age? It's, you know, it's when you, you Corinne into your high school. Graduation in a classic car tear tearing up the turf with the wheels. And, you know, Tokyo drift Tokyo drift into your valedictorian speech. Right. I mean you could also say it's like the empire records ask alike. I've also going to be in Botswana in the future. Live tyler. But yeah, there's definitely it's multipolar movie. Amy Poehler is not in it. But it is in that respect. I don't know. What did you see this sort of the moment where the movie kind of cashed out for you? I think to me, this movie kind of did a much more subtle version of the thing. The intern did, which is a begins as a movie about Robert deniro, and it ends NS owing. What is the intern NADA subtle movie was just like illegit switches, the main character is halfway through a like resident evil? Does he get killed like that? Janiro and then. The move just keeps going like Anne Hathaway had been the protagonist all along, like no, she's right? But it was about him. And they tell you historian now, you're following her on her story, and it's like she is great. I love her. First of all, what's she doing with Andrew's home and second? I thought she was a supporting character in this movie did was a much more subtle version of that, where I feel like it started with Molly. And at the end, it was more about Amy where, you know, Amy has the visit by hope over to her house to, you know, talk, and, like, basically, no say you didn't ruin things forever. Even though you puked on me. Everything's fine. We can keep talking. Let's see where this goes. And Amy goes to jail and all of that. Like, I feel like at the end of the movie it's a lot more about the character meet and Molly. She definitely goes on longer on a on a more pronounced journey right throughout. It's still giving. The speech because she's the valley's Torian. But at the end of the movie, they're taking Amy to the airport. You know, it's her journey there. And at the end of the movie doubt, also Molly holds her hand up, and they all cheer for her because she distracted the cops and like God everyone was party safely. And, you know, they have that fight where basically comes out that their relationship was a little too, codependent, and maybe more in Mali side and basically Molly just decided while you're my best friend. So this is how we're going to go. And it's basically, I think from that point on Amy's becoming her own person outside of her relationship with Molly and they can still be friends, but she's now no longer just following her friend around on her night, where she wants to go, but actually doing her own thing, which apparently involves becoming a hero and getting arrested for it. And I mean, this is what loops the movie together with super bad. I think right is like it's people have talking about the Soviet super battle lot. I for me the moment that real other than the fact that, that Molly is doing Jonah hill impression for the first half. Hour of the movie. For no reason. Doing an impression of her brothers. Beanie Feldstein is Joanna hills younger sister. Call Jonah hill filled steam, I had no idea seeing this is what happened with stage names. They should make a movie to get. They should remake dirty work to Charlie Sheen Estevez. But with the two of them, they're the new Charlie Sheen in the US. I love it. I love it. Who do. This is the real groundbreaking aspect of this movie, which is I did not know that this generation is west of was a woman, which is an executor, and she needs to coach, the Mighty Ducks needs to be girls hockey team. Okay. So that explains why there's a similar. All right. That makes a lot of the same manner. And also it explains, maybe why people think the movies are similar, but to me that last and the end of it really felt like kind of, we're not super bad. Even though we can't get out of super bads shadow kind of thing where it was like super bad is about this kind of, you know, we talked about team movies and kind of the compression in unity of, of different kinds of rites of passage happening very fast around graduation. And in that case, it's like the because the men, the boys become men, the men become wolves no, the boy, symbols become T wolves. No, the, the because the boys establish themselves. It's kind of sexual human beings. And because they kind of as adults outside of the context of school, and as they sort of actualize themselves all in the space of, like forty five minutes, they then kind of move it to a chapter of their lives in which day won't be friends with each other. Because the affection and the intimacy that this year with each other is going to be redirected into their relationships, right? It's like it's a movie about boys going into heterosexual, relationships and leaving behind the home of. Sociality of adolescent, manhood. And in that sense, they have to say goodbye at the end of the movie, and it's kind of sad, because they've changed, because that's what's happening in the movie. And this is a movie that kind of makes makes a joke about the idea that all the events that have kind of changed them, whether it's a change them more, whether it's changed a reputation, whether it's changed their relationship you saying oh now they have to really say goodbye to each other mollies, go be friends with the with Annabella. Right at Yale. Right. And, and then and Amy is going to go off with hope. There's an on the nose name for you in Africa and dough like, really, really may deal with very socially conservative African parents who are going to have a problem with it. But that's that's the sequel, but the point is like, oh, they're going to split up and they've come to. They're gone their separate ways. No. And the end of the movie like no, it's ridiculous. Of course, we're still friends like the idea that these events would cause us to not be friends. Anymore is just on its face absurd. Which seems to me like something of it's either. It might be it seems like it sits in the movie as a sort of criticism of team movies that show everybody. Parting ways like in it's also prison. Can't hardly wait, which ends with the eating pancakes, right? Where like. Where the I never remember that actresses name. It's the same action Hewitt. No, no. The better actress Clare Fischer for fielder. Lauren ambrose. Yes. Yes. I forgot her actual name, too. That's not to bash. General. I think Ambrose numbers really glade using. Yeah. And so her and Seth Green's relationship is kind ends up being the kind of third act anchor of can't hardly wait. And it comes kind of as prize somewhat as the other main, plots are going, and it ends with them like, eating pancakes together with a joke, is this sort of after action intertidal title comes up, and it's like then they broke up like a, you know, an hour later, like because of course, everybody has to part ways after graduation. And that's the sort of Melissa Joan Hart plot in that movie. But this movie kind of criticizes, all of that. And saying, like, no, we're not just these sort of high concept team types, who vanished into the either at the end of this movie, and who, like graduation is kind of the Vale, right? We pass through graduation and we die. Right. And like the world is over and everything that we've done has ended, and it's a sort of existential movie about what you can accomplish before you cease to exist as a meaningful person at prom. Right. When you're young and you matter, unlike Jason Cidade is driving a lift with the children. Oh, no, great, by the way. Great fantastic detail actually, you know, we can't go into it, unfortunately, but, like really grit when he shows up in the lift, that's fantastic. Yeah, definitely, but yeah, the, the gist of it is that this is a movie that at the end wants to be more of a lady bird movie, and wants to say, like the teen movie archetypes are not real, even though this has been a team movie even though the first half movie makes you think that it's about all of the supporting characters in my brother's twenty one jump street films. You know, it's actually sort of about an idea real people, and real people don't cease to exist at graduation, and so on and so forth, as evidenced, by the fact that, you know, Matt ni- you know, we both graduate of high school together. But we graduated college together what you realize is, you know, I don't know. It's, it's interesting in a day in a world of like online learning and sort of disruption, quote unquote, disrobe just innovation innovation in education, right? As you know, the traditional I shouldn't say traditional because it's, it's not really tradit-. It's, it's. Less than one hundred years old really. But the kind of like American academic credentialing that goes on among the ruling class here, right like in a day when that is being disrupted, or at least it's becoming like economically unfeasible for a lot of people. How do you how do you make? How do you make a movie? Like what, what are the, the social signposts? For making a coming of age movie without the sort of shared sociological language, of, of high school. Anyway, another, another question that this, this film doesn't address. But I think we have to leave our discussion there like like so many things in life. You think you're going to kind of come to the end and arrive at a great deeper meaning. But at the end of every podcast, all we can do is go out for pancakes together. So thank you for listening to us talk about book smart. Thank you very much Pete, and thank you. Amanda for joining me on this podcast. We'll be back next week with more overthinking podcast, then visit us on the web at overthinking dot com where we subject the popular culture to a level of scrutiny. Probably probably does. Here. I'll tie it all up for you. Lauren Ambrose great actress, I looked up, what she's been up to lately hasn't made a movie at a little while you know why. Because she just got nominated for a Tony award for best actress musical, you know what musical that was. Guess? Hello, dolly. No, my fair lady. I can't work with this. Sorry, I guess I'm just not as. Book smart.

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