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2. Interview with Yessica M. Avila Barojas

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2. Interview with Yessica M. Avila Barojas

"The you're listening to influx collective the podcast walking amongst the rubble. Undock you queer pride learning to let my saw fall apart. I take pride in being a survivor. I hate the gym. My name is corey. Robbie and i'm one of your co hosts and i'm your host diana gutierrez. We started as a poetry reading series but basically our mission is to connect eli's poets promote queer events and provide space and a platform for queer creators and queer content and influxes a place for audience members to hear stories that reflect their own and for performers to buy an audience that understands in programming at patriae on We are at patriotair dot com slash influx collective without an e. Today i have the pleasure of introducing yesica m allah but haas who is poet and creator and was born in veracruz mexico and raised in los angeles california. They enjoy exploring themes of migration and sexuality through various mediums. There early introduction to the arts has influenced their experimentation in storytelling digital media and writing also. Yes because background. In design is an inspiration for the formatting of their poetry. They're currently working as a communications specialist. And our first year graduate student. And the chicano chicano and latina latino department at cal state los angeles they hold a bfa in graphic design from california state polytechnical university. Pomona thank you so much for being here with us today yesica. I like to start off with asking. How are you feeling today. I got used to saying. Okay saying okay for like the whole year because that's a loaded question. But i think over okay. I wonder. I don't know if you wanna go into that a little bit more. But i found that answer quite interesting. Can you tell us a little bit more about what you mean by. Okay yeah. I just feel like especially at work. We use mabrukeh groups in all of this during staff meetings. But we don't go into the deep. Nor would i feel comfortable sharing some of the stuff. Some of my coworkers solid at times. I have to say i'm okay. And then what people that. i am closer with. I can elaborate more on like what it is behind that. Okay but that behind. Okay we'll take more than five minute discussion. So that's why i got used to say the. Yeah and i mean okay in the sense that i am here and i feel very fortunate to be here and there are things todd like outside of my house i like happening but in here. It's safe and it's okay in that alone is it's not great but it's this holding onto the okay. I really like that. I'm like i wrote it. Down us is holding onto the okay. That sounds really cool. So can you tell us just a little bit about you. Sure my name. My full name is yes. Avi lombardo has i was born in awe decided. I could lose. My family. Mine came to this country. When i was three years old. So i've been raced in la for most of my life and then in my mid twenty s. I decided to leave home. once. I got daca. Free So then i moved to san francisco oakland in an portland. And that's where. I met my my partner who is not my wife and now we have a one year pup. So that's that's what happened during the pandemic in. I'm in school right now. I am part of the graph. Gumma cost away in trying to find time for writing. It's a little bit harder to like do that. Well being grad school. And i enjoy. I enjoy poetry. I i feel like i mentioned at the at the core that i was part of were writing wasn't always easy for me and it was very difficult especially like learning a new language and coming into a different culture and poetry was his way of finding a new way of writing that wasn't so judgmental and allow express myself. So what are you studying at cal state. So i am part of the ghana. Chicano latino latina studies department nice Can i ask let your is on. Yeah a sales really excited to be part of this. Because my research is in artisan and hop poetry and other art forms help sustain a lot of undocumented and clear folks as a way of resilience. And i m hoping to write about it through my own experience while also interviewing other people in the future. That's great do you have any interviewers that you're excited to hear about other than like yourself and your experience I haven't gotten that far. But there are a lot of people that i i think inspire what i what my thinking confirm i know. Alabama's meghan scribbles. They talk a lot about different things within some other poetry is being undocumented and i really liked the writing so it really made me think. About how poetry is this way of creating new worlds and also resisting. What's happening around us. I'm interested in the the idea that poetry can be a medium of healing is definitely. It's it's been around for a bit. But i also just feel it so innately and myself i guess but i'm curious if you could talk a little bit about either because you are studying something so similar like poetry has or or how you've seen it functioned to heal folks that that you've encountered or even howitt's if it has healed yourself. I feel like for me. When i start writing about certain things i start remembering how i experienced things that were not okay and it allows me to kind of carve that space to reflect on those traumas while also understanding end like giving them a definitional worrying as to what happened like systemically racism homophobia all different things. And that's something ninety s a kit so it was as difficult to be going through that and then understanding it and now that i'm older writing about it ref- coin is that going back in time and now i have the the wording to lake understand what's happening and i sometimes imagine myself having a conversation with my younger self and in their that's the healing part where it's just like i get to tell the my younger saw that it was not their fault in that lake. You know there's all these different things that have been in place that resulted in all that trauma that that experience. Yeah tell us about your poetry process. Please if you can. What would inspire is you. What when you write. What makes you feel like everything is possible. I think it it can be. I can change. I feel like. I don't have fixed place or our system i feel like sometimes. I enjoyed his city not in a living room and and writing other times. When there's like a song that reminds me of a time and place becca time then. I'll like feel inspire five. Or if i feel like a lot of joined up moment things like it just can change throughout the day and it's like happens out of nowhere and i want to write within have other things i like. I really want to be better at that. We're like writing notes for myself. So i can do posted something. Just put them down. I know my mentor. Keeps telling me to record myself. Because it's like not having enough time to sit down and writes recording on walking and doing other things. And i feel like i am hoping to do that this year but when i really really need to write something Deadlines are really helpful so that we can lock myself into rue and just spend hours in there. I i enjoyed my privacy. And i think i sometimes to be alone in order to focus other ways. I ended up thinking about other things. What songs are inspiring you right now. So i was. I went to. This event is a was last week or way. We're still in this week to remind this week. Where did he says. Oh who's dal. They were doing. I think it was book editor floor. Florida i'm like messing up the title. But they had this event this week and they were doing all this new sagan broken hispaniola and all of that something. They went into no doubt in my partner walked into the room she. She was listening to the song to and then trying to remember which one it was a simple life. Oh yeah it was no doubt a simple way and it took me back to seventh grade and i tell my partner like oh took me back to all the feelings and insecurities the questioning like. I knew it was clear. I always knew it. I just didn't know what it was. And i had all this crushes and it made me think about how my crushes whenever they were with like someone that was like the end of the world for me and then a month later we have another crash but it was just so dramatic in and i processed all of this when we solve in now he think back on it and i'm like i really wish i would've had someone there to talk to. Obama crushes to talk about my heart. Breaks and i was joking with my partner and i told her i think i'm going to read a poem called to all the girls i loved based on dot netflix. Show and just like right all the things. I wish i would've set to them because i never did like it. Almost even be like a really interesting book premise. To like each person gets their own little poem. I could do that in a heartbeat dude. Seriously that would be cool. Wow i'm like getting some joy from just hearing about this idea because yeah like when you're a kid it's so hard to be able to not just like admit to yourself who you like but also just like being a first gen undocument- queer kid that's like fuck not only do i have this shit going on but i also like i'm super k. Damn yeah. I'm excited to see that work. God now i'm even like thinking like remember like sketchers that people had in seventh grade in like. Yeah all those things bringing back so many memories of middle school now. I'm happy that we heard about just your poetry process in you and thank you again forgetting so vulnerable with us about how you create what you're inspired by. Is there anything that you would like to read for us ria. I wanted to share this phone. That i finished this week in when i finished. It made me think about the reading that i did for school. Bettina love in her book. Is we want to do more than survive. Abolitionist teaching and precipitive educational freedom and initiate talks about spirit. Murder and murder was coined by patricia williams. Who are you that. Racism is more than just a physical pain and racism kin rob from people color in lake in different places in schools in in the sense that she's talking about this book is and the schools in Outside of that lake in society. I remember my professor asta if we could go back to a time where we felt like our spirit was murder and i was like Can't just go to wine. I feel at different moments in my educational journey. Where i found my spirit was being murder because i was being told that i wasn't enough. The maximum was through thick. That i didn't know how to speak this language to english. And i also remember. It was normal for teachers to be okay with kids willing other kits and calling them gay so growing up in dot kind of environment and made me think about how my spirit was murder in many different times. So i i i ripped up this pullman made me think about how it kind of connected to that so to pronounce chipping blair noun team bliss to team blair they stand on opposing and entangle solds quarreling and dancing every time the night over dream appears similar to this is not your language but guess key standing in front of my four three class reciting discovering a world by christopher columbus me my chip south amadiyah teacher ship me yes yes my chip i sell. It might chip teacher no not potato chip ship as in both you have to improve. Your english would be want to be part of the play. Them mojave mahara me. Mojave mojave similar to isolation confusion loss to team play the battisson and indoctrination of a new american be. I've worked really hard for my four point. Oh gpa do you think universities will consider me consular. I would suggest you don't apply to. College me are scholarships available for people like me. I have good grades play sports and do volunteer work consular. Since you are an elite go it would be best for you to work and save money for maybe one day going to college me. You're not equal wanted criminal similar to dot good enough fraud statistic to keep alien to the system to them and a nation state me. They only hired you because they want more brown face on the staff. Page me by worked so hard. I have seven years of experience me. Have you forgotten. Immigrants like you are here to serve others. you can dream but don't believe it will become a reality me but similar to tokenism trauma porn hegemony to cheap battle with sharp edges appears spirit and makes the body scream braces that change implies forever together they will never leave what origin white supremacy patriarchy country of freedom and equality freedom and equality for white citizens. Only wow thank you so much for sharing those really powerful i yeah. I'm i'm really glad that you included that poem. I i just feel like it's really related to everything we were talking about. So thank you. I'm just like sitting women because there is so much in it that felt so resident and so yeah just really powerful for sharing that again yeah. That's a poll. My finished reading this chapter on spirit murder analysis. That's what i was like. There are so many points in my life that point. That's for murder in. I wanted to highlight the different times. That's happened in. I hope that the readers are able to to see that is in different types of my h and not just once. Yeah i definitely got that. And i i also it. It seemed like it was. It was focusing on spirit murder in an academic context which is really i. Guess just frustrating and disheartening in general. Because it's supposed to be the place that uplift you and your i mean constantly just back to back being told things that that push you down and shrink you instead of building so i absolutely understand why that was something you went to for for the concept of of spirit murder. Yeah i need this It made me A part of the simon was also writing a letter to dr love about what the book meant and In sa reflecting on it. I i added into letter that i finished his. It made me think about the writing. Does she had in. It also made me think about other times. And that's what i mean we're like writing like l. Made me think of one two three end in. Go until there's different places. And i don't know we sit and think about like oh this was not okay and now that i'm older and there's so many things stat. I don't think any child should experience that i did in. I don't want to replicate that one and do that to a student a someone that wants to become an educator and then to i also want to be able to heal child that is still in me and also i feel like it's really validating for other people who have been told similar things to hear someone voice that and to express and call it out to like this is not okay. This podcast is brought to you by the city of west. Hollywood one city one pride. Lgbtq arts festival. each year to see west. Hollywood celebrates pride with its one city one pride. Lgbt arts festival which runs from harvey milk day may twenty second through the end of june pride month. I think corey knows more about this phone. Because of the sinement We were supposed to go outside and east. La and have a conversation with the tree. I think it was something something along those lines. But i think a lot about my mom in. That's my title. This is paul matia because that's her name and seeing my mom i feel ache. That's another partout where lake growing up. I didn't always understand her. And i didn't really see why she was. Making certain decisions as i got an older and matured. Our relationship has changed and in it. I have also seen. How strong he she is and also how much she has overcome in. This is an honor of my mom and titus mighty sof vic sharp brown skin twelve fifty ding dong ding dong the church bell rings purple orange skies timid warm breeze. Summer is here. we stand there. Heff his head up high branching out the rusted at bars. They tried but they could not scars of the memories. The burning pain you know so well. They tried but they could not stop the tender soft pink yellow daffodil and gilly flowers growing at your feet. Yeah there's so much resilience in olive. What our parents have just sacrificed in order to just give us a light here in a really like how you shape that poll to like a tree. It looks like the trunk but yes that's it. It's really beautiful. I really like it. Something i love about this poem to is. I know that that folks were listening. Can't necessarily see hit unless they they look it up but the flowers growing at your feet is spread almost to appear like flowers growing at the foot of the palm. It's really beautiful. Yeah it's really cool how it's like towards the bottom two so it feels like groups and how like that beauty is rooted in you and that's why i wanted to write this poem. Were it's about lake. it is it. It stemmed from like the tree part. But then when i thought about a tree and i was like someone that's grounded that's like strong dot is in because it was any east and in the city where there's like you know. La's considered like a very polluted city and the trees are still here. So made me think about that resistance. And that's to me symbolizes my mom and at the end i also ended with a adding flowers at the bottom of the poem because there is beauty in in her style. And that's the part to where it's like. I could see her. Now that i'm older. I can see the pain. I could the rough edges psych. Why she was so tough with me but at the same time there is beauty. Thank you for sharing that. It also was like you're describing also a tree because there is so much rudeness and grodin this and wisdom in our parent. I really appreciated hearing you talk about it. A little bit too also is cold to see a poem from from the queering. Poetry group Those cold but yeah. I this kinda leads me into one of the questions that i had for you and it's actually one that we're trying to. We're trying to ask everyone that we interview because space on the the name of the season which is amongst the rubble. And i wanted to see if you could basically just talk about what does walking amongst the rubble mean to you. I read this article space aid entity and memory and queer brown los angeles finding sequence in the rebel by dr eddie fancy squad buddies and that's what it made me think about when i saw the The name rebel to in thinking about both titles and what they meant to me. It's going against the grain but at the same time mistake finding strength in the process or finding beauty in process. And i think that's for That's what made me think about. Were not as one one meaning can can have more than one villagers say that your rebel has been this past year so a single one. I like i I have therapy every weekend. And every time i tell my therapist were today i have to pick one thing and it's not in no time. I feel like we can all really to. It's the pandemic. It's it's since the beginning. It's just been really hard. I my partner. And i still have moments. Where like we remember when we were walking to pick up some groceries before anything close and in my where i work. We have a director of disaster and he had predicted all of this. When he said we're gonna be closing the country and up to like a year or more i was. I was in disbelief. Because i don't think i was ready to cope with that moment. But then i was telling me partner as they were walking on to the grocery store and she also was feeling concerned and we both knew that cova kind of came over to the states. Which now we know have been here already it was going to predominant predominantly effect brown and black folks so we already knew that thinking of all my family who's undocumented i my brain also started going into crisis mode which is something that i'm also finding out. My therapist pointed out that. I tend to be a problem solver and because of all the things i've experienced right now so i have to. I went into functioning mode into like how to figure something out and it was so hard to figure something for something. I didn't know so. I was say having to cope with the anxiety of not knowing and copa inside of not having control. Which is it's very hard for me. And i joked in one of the try to kind of make joke out of it in one of the pawns for like i referred to my sign because my my sign is very fixed. It's to alive being grounded in having. I hate change and i do think that's true. I do he changed and not having control that. It was a mix of chaos for me. And was i had been having those conversations with my parents. It was difficult and my whole family overall in who. They were in disbelief. Because i was bringing information from an organization that like this person that does this work so it wasn't public to everyone so they were looking at me like well like you're making this up and housing. I'm not making this up. We need to prepare. Those is like hard to get people to prepare when they're not believing me so my partner and i just started getting ready and the day that they sent me home to work from home. They said like it's unknown when you'll be coming back so it does take everything that you need so i took myself and after that my partner now we're going to go to the climbing gym because everything was still open in and i was so anxious and she's like why are you sanctions. And i'm like everyone's panic shopping and like the have enough of late this and my parents. I know they haven't gone shopping because they don't believe in things happening as an she was like. Do you prefer w go shopping for some things for your parents. Do you want to go to the gym. And then closes go by things and we went through the stories and bought things on my parents need. I bought me. I don't eat meat so this is definitely for my parents. Got chicken for them. And then the beacon. After i think that's when they announced everything was shut down and people were waiting on line for a long time. And i have people in my family thought our immune compromise and now was part of that was concerning to me. I didn't want them to be lining up or be exposing themselves Yet and it just everything just happened in having those conversations when my family in the beginning when we were in the process of the closing everything and and i remember having this conversation with him where i feel like i sometimes i think of her experience and i think that's something that i've learned that being undocumented in being race in this country and having access to education and the language and all these different things have put me in a place pearlridge where like it makes me different that makes my experience different and there is a a gap in between my experience and data. My mom my dad. Because i remember we were having. This conversation was she. She was like They're going to help help for us for undocumented people and i was signing no. They're not and she's like they wouldn't let us style like this. And i was like yes they will but like having those conversations but her while also nyc not like 'cause i know where she's coming from i know she's in panic mode. I know he's trying to hold onto something so i'm not trying to destroy any hope from her for her. I mean but at the same time. It's like being realistic on my end. Where it's i know. They have been doing this and they knew this was going to happen in dated into anything about it so then having to look for aids and ifo lake so fortunate that my partner is here. She's been super supportive and she helped me apply for grants from for my mom because she owns a small business and you had to close it down. My diet was laid off and my were laid off so this is like having to find all this different resources for them because they couldn't apply to other places that were like federal funding in trying to find places where they could do foot where they were doing. Food banks So yeah it was just a lot of flake having to to plan for something. I didn't know and then when i was in trying to put off little fires and beer and then they just kept coming and coming and coming and then my grad program started girl. Yeah wow I yeah i could relate so much just like i like our. How're you doing. How do you take care of yourself. when you're holding space for your family and when you're trying to figure all of this out would you do to cope through. I'm learning to let my soul fall apart. That's something that is new to me. And i think it's it's really important because growing up i felt like i experienced all these different things and i just have to push through online keep going and keep going and going and at no point did i let myself cry feel helpless fuel all these different things and i think those are reasonable waste field now and through like going through therapy. That's one place that helps me a lot. It's being able to talk to someone and that person is validating me. I think that's the other part that i seek a lot of validation over in that and then for them to be like okay like you've gone through a lot. You have every right to just stay in bed tomorrow and knock it up and my partner is also very supportive. So i when. I get to the point where i need to fall apart. I tried to let myself do that. Which is hard. It's hard training myself to of we invented. I'm like okay. Cry like not crying. Because i feel like i may throw am i. Just come out just do it in. I can't and i 'cause he's a cancer and only your perfect because you're all you're all about that crying and i told her one time like this is a compliment but i've never cried so much. What someone and that's because she holds so much space for me to be myself to be born rable and i feel so comfortable around her. So yeah i feel like in falling apart. And also when. I have other other things that i'm trying to to implement like I got really good at meditation at some point and i stopped but meditation helps me. Yoga helps me. I started lifting donaldson always like help me because then it kind of gets me more like frustrated. 'cause there's a lot of back and forth or now that i have a pup i go on walks tamblyn and play with him and he. He brings me a lot of happiness. That's cute yeah. I'm i'm really happy that you're taking care of yourself in your partner is really supportive amidst all of this rubble chaos. And that's why. I chose this as the theme because we literally as undocumented queer people were walking through fire all the time and like just being fierce about getting through it even if like there's patches where it feels like we might not be able to get through it but then we do and there's also so much complexity and nuance in that so it's really good that you're taking care of yourself and you know the the amount of you're that you're able to hold space for your family is really great and also it's crazy that is like undocumented people some of us who do have connections with our parents like we do feel the need to hold space because it's the government is going to. It's i can definitely relate to that and even corey as my partner. She she has been a really great ally to my parents. Just like being there for me and holding space like your partner did for me when there was no stimulus for my parents and even like we haven't seen my brother in twenty years in. She's definitely been really supportive. So it's also really really great to have those people around you who are able to hold you. I definitely think that's really important. In speaking of holding how would you say your poetry process has been through all this through the pandemic heavy written so i was working on a new poem in the middle of the pandemic was working with a mentor in they were really helpful but then they everything started happening and in there were there were more things happen other days. Not so much than. I stopped writing. And then i really wanted to rate because i had so many feelings this was still during the trump administration. So there were on a daily basis. We had like national things happening. And i wanted to to ride it. Put put it someplace a feel like. I was too exhausted. And that's it's been difficult to do that. And then once they started the grant program has been having to balance everything with school and writing. I do mainly for school. But even in that i try to include some of how i feel because my research is very personal game to include my own experience in it and when i read i think i apply it to my experience when i write about it. I also include my experience in it. Yes and we did. I hear this quilt from i. It was from iowa angelo. The speedy you about your experience as a person that is uttered it kind of feels like having sandpaper in your throat or like swallowing sandpaper. Something along those lines. So i could just imagine like when you're writing dislike the amount of space that you have to hold for yourself just how hard of a process that is to just let out even so i really appreciate poetry and what you've written you know we'll add to the cannon of undock we clear poetry that is constantly like shaping. The legacy of what will be what we will leave for younger undocumented youth. Do you feel like sometimes you write for the younger undocumented. Queer person not necessarily just like who you were in the past but also just the kids are still going through it. Yeah i do. I feel like in in my research to win the reason pursuing that degree in an aetna studies my overall goal is to become a professor and i would love to teach at a community college and work with undocumented youth or documenting queer youth because i know growing up i experienced a lot of things that in the schools of anxiety teachers make consular and were not helpful at all like they were completely uninformed with like the undocumented status and there are more people that are informed. I think now but you still have a lot of things that are in place were undocumented. Youth won't have access to like. It's still something that we see today and the same thing like migration hasn't stopped like it's still happening and you will still continue. How bad population as long as we have this type of system of citizenship and and like other in other folks in alienating people who are not sidhu think about it in a do write about it in a way that i hope that it helps other people that are going through it is i do remember how difficult it was and i think it was not not everyone benefits from dhaka. No there are outside of that. But when dhaka was was started residing i was concerned for myself and my family but at the saint thomas concern for the people that were aging into that group that we're going to qualify for it because i knew how much of a difference it made for me and my family to be able to obtain a work permit and i was heartbroken because of that. So it's like. I don't forget that there are other people that are still experiencing this. Yes that's what. I feel like being in community will perpetually feel is like you carry that desire of thriving for your community as well and again. That's what makes it so. It feels like we're walk you through the rubble and making it is listeners. Want to read more of your work or while you or or find out when you have more work coming. What is the best way for them to to to find you. I'm an old school millennia. Now so i can mainly just like found instagram. Even yeah even there. I don't even close too much. But if followers went to like check out my work at side y. m. a serial fire one on instagram. Guess thank you so much as like a fellow doc. Year poet. I yes i thank you so much for your work. Thank you for listening to influx collective. The podcast walking amongst the rubble. Undock you queer. Pride get updates on her upcoming episodes. You can follow us on instagram facebook or join our email list at influx collective dot org.

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Short Stuff: Mojave Megaphone

Stuff You Should Know

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Short Stuff: Mojave Megaphone

"Hey and welcome to the short stuff. I'm josh and there's mojave chuck and mojave jerry's out there somewhere in so mojave dave and this is short stuff about something. I had never heard of before. Chuck the mojave. Desert megaphone mojave. How are you my ivy. i'm good. I'm mojave mojave. You mojave sure so dumb. Have you ever been to the mojave desert. Sure i guess you have to be if you've ever driven from los angeles to las vegas right. Yeah boy that's a. That's not the most fun ride in the world. I gotta say barron isn't it. Yeah it's pretty barren Rolls everywhere yeah exact- tumbleweeds and dead mafia bodies and me and my old friend. John tyndall driving to vegas to get him a crispy cream. Las vegas t shirt and the turn that does it just does not seem right to call him john. I know him as johnny. And i always be johnny kindle. Sounds like a bad kid at school he was you know he was a decent kid. He's laughing because he gets in touch with every time we mentioned him so he'll laugh at that he's a good i know he is. That's why i can out him as a bad kid and it's bad kid though. Who so did you guys ever go. See the mojave megaphone or had you heard of it before. I had not heard of it until i found this article on how stuff works. Actually nice work. Well nice work. How stuff works for really. Turn us onto something that you've heard about thing. No i hadn't already said okay. I've never heard of this before. And it's all it's mojave. Okay so in. The mojave desert is matter of fact in the mojave desert national preserve. There is what looks a lot like a giant Weathered steel megaphone bolted pretty much permanently to a couple of boulders on the top of a hill in ways a lot and no one can make heads or tails of not only how it got there but what it is and how long it's been there. It's a bona fide mystery. Yeah this is nuts to me that nobody has come out and knows the origin of this thing. I i know like surely by now somebody would have been like. Oh i know the guy who put it there. And here's here's what it is you know by the way this banks. He's real identity kind of person. You know what i mean. Yeah so the mojave desert is Or this thing is located actually in the mojave desert national preserve in sort of a. It says a remote corner but they're all fairly remote and it's just you know it could be art It could be a horn of some sort. Like maybe a siren. And we'll get to some of these in a little more detail but it's it's just crazy to me that no one knows how this got there especially because it has you know sort of shaped like megaphone but it's the kind of thing where it seems like one would be able to say. Oh no that used to be a thing because there were other things that are shaped just like this right exactly. There's nothing like that and like you're saying nobody's come forward to be like this is what it is or everyone has to preference what they're saying with with. I think or. I see it as you know like it's all just interpretation which is great And i'm if you to describe it a little further it looks like to slightly different sized rocket boosters Place todd up. Yeah or mouth to mouth. I like to think that the fire comes out of the but all right your mouth to mouth bolted together like that. There's a couple of like triangular fins i think there's a pair of them at least Toward the end each side as they flare out and then inside there's crosshairs basically made of rebar looked to me and the whole thing has no markings. There's no numbers. there's no letters there's nothing on it. Not even what seems like it was maybe used for before and then if you look at like the rebar in the welding job it doesn't seem like it was part of any kind of mass production like it almost gives you. The idea is like a one off kind of thing you know. Yeah which means it could be art. It's big it's about eight feet long and if you see where it is it you know. It took some effort Maybe two people but probably at least three or four people to get this thing up there get it bolted onto the side of this cliff And it has led to a lot of speculation over the years as to you know there's pretty decent ideas i think is to what this thing could be Maybe we should take a break. Yes yes mohave. And we'll be right back to really muhabi this mojave. Hey everybody's josh and chuck here in father's day is almost here and we're sure that you have lots of reasons to thank dad for everything he does right. Yeah and lows has a lot of ways to say. Thanks like grills smart home stuff power tools. That's right you know. I love me some power tools. And i'm really hoping that my wife and daughter get the hint and take me to lows for father's day to pick out a one hundred a new drill. Maybe table saw a you know chuck lows is like a candy store for dads you understand because you are into lawn mowing and landlords right. I do love a good lawn and keeping it nice. But you know. It's not just lawnmowers. It's like tremors to sure sure but bottom line here. Lows is the place for dads. Yes so let dad loose at lowe's this father's day and let them browse favourite aisles and find himself a gift he really wants. Look for great savings and exclusive fines in store and online at lowe's dot com Monday mojave chuck all right. So some people think it might be a siren of some kind of from the nineteen forties or fifties. Like you know. They tested nuclear bombs. Not too far from here. It's near some army and air force activity. Maybe it was an early warning signal other. People say i don't know about that like this thing is really out in the middle of nowhere. You would have something like that closer to where people are probably so that idea is okay but has also largely been shot down by a bunch of other people so that to me still makes sense because while it's not in never was very heavily populated place. I think there's a ghost. Town called crew cerro Nearby it's between the existing towns of baker and ludlow and they're not exactly like beijing and shanghai or anything like that you know but there's a rail line an old abandoned railroad line that runs right through their. They used to run chemical agents to The military bases out that way. So well you wouldn't have had a lot of people to warn you would have had a potential situation to warn about even if it was just a few people of like a major chemical spill or a gas leak or something like that so to me the idea that it was some sort of warning system it does make says well but at the same time. It doesn't make sense that they would use some handmade one rather than one that was available because there were huge air raid sirens that were around in world war two that look kind of similar but we're obviously air-raid sirens and they look like they would work a lot better than whatever this thing was. Yeah i saw on youtube. There's this a woman who did a siren tests like got a crank siren and put it in the small and then had her friends down the ground. See if they could hear it and they could but it wasn't it didn't amplify things that much An interestingly in the youtube comments and so believe me. I'm not saying that this is like the worst research possible. Say youtube commenters said this but there was a youtube comment. this said. Hey listen. I think it might be something from an old salt. Mine like a hot. Brian might have been pumped at high pressure through this thing because it's just made of such thick iron steel like it. Does he said you could make something. Like a megaphone. Out of something a lot lighter yet true and that sort of made sense a little bit. That's the only reason. I mentioned it. other people said that they said something like a rocket booster maybe or maybe what's called the venturi pipeline venturi which is an enclosure. That's is hourglass shape. That controls the flow of fluids. Through a which is legitimate to. I mean they're like and wouldn't have some record of a pipeline through there. That's the thing like there's no apparent either some no one's looked in the right yet or it's it just wasn't documented which means it was either secret or it is of more recent art installation but it look at it. I think one of the people who run tours out there. said that They think that it's been there for thirty more years sing. Looks like it's been around for a lot longer than the one thousand nine you know So it looks very old and it's possible is used was just so mundane that it didn't need any kind of documentation or yeah as possible as secret and i kind of don't wanna know but at the same time i think i would find it pretty fascinating to know its use to like. I think that also makes sense objects interesting. You know knowing their history. Yeah another thing that feels plausible to me. Is that it It was not something that sent out a sound but something that maybe was used to detect something like if they were doing nuclear testing at Levada testing site that maybe it was something that did like measured or detected long-range shockwaves or something like that And then it could make sense that the government you know it was it might have been sort of a one off and not have manufacturing numbers in the government wouldn't readily come out and say anything like that. Yeah you know. Existed plus also edwards air force base is kind of nearby which is where Chuck yeager broke the sound barrier. Yeah sure and he very famous folks mojave over that was it Should we tell people how to get there. I think so sure. I mean it's all over the place. We even have the exact coordinates. The exact coordinates are get your pencil. Everyone and mojave this down on your mojave. Thirty five point zero zero five six degrees north one hundred sixteen point one nine six three degrees west. And that is the user dakota pinned little orphan. Amy secret message. If you want to go there um you cannot just walk there or drive there in your Toyota tercel yoursel. great car. sure but you need a four wheel drive. 'cause you're going to have to drive through the mojave river. You're going to be on dirt. Roads can be driving through sand through canyons and You know it's not the easiest thing to get to know not at all but if you want to get there you can people have before you can take a photo with it george or do bring a crank siren and do a test of your own or you can look for gold. There's a legend that it actually points to a gold hoard underground but yeah. I'm not sure i buy that one now. I think they mentioned the crosshairs. Yeah for that reason. But i don't know it's just really interesting it doesn't it doesn't look like any megaphones that were used at any period in anyone's history so I don't know. I think sometimes people just didn't they find like a monolith in utah recently. Yeah that definitely was an art installation yuna mistress. This isn't necessarily so well. If you do go let us know we want to hear about it. Get in touch with us. In the meantime everybody short stuff is mojave stuff you should know is a production of iheartradio for more podcasts. My heart radio. 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Connected 302: Looking Out Across Antarctica

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Connected 302: Looking Out Across Antarctica

"Hello and welcome to connected episode three hundred and two is made possible by our sponsors squarespace. Eight drafts emit mobile. My name is Steve Hackett and it is an even episodes. I'LL INTRODUCE FEDERICA VITUCCI I. Now that's a good joke now and I think this is fair. You know because. I. I am almost convinced that. If I, wasn't here. You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't give me my intro. You would just go straight to federico an make some joke about our mics here, right? He's still federico. He's introduction. Oh, he's off on some summer fun. The Federico are fun. This is another slight upon me and the wall household of. Keno, championship, the House that I found it. NOPE, that's not true history. You just had the twitter account. I yeah, that's the royal sceptre. No, it's you know anything about the monarchy, yes. Yes I do and that's not. That's not how it works. Because what the like. Our monarchy currently has social media accounts. Are you saying that there was no monarchy before like the early two thousands? There's no proof of monarchy before. Twitter zero proof. Okay. No one can tweets. Hi, hi, Mike, alot, hi, hello, it's just us and so we're gonNA. Talk about the MAC. We are actually. There are rumors that Steven said Federica the recording on Thursday this week. So you have time to talk about the Macintosh but we'll never know for sure for episode comes out tomorrow. That's just federico wandering out about shortcuts. You know what happened. I don't think Federico has a log into the same S I. He, doesn't I think he has one, but probably doesn't know how one would be my expectation. That's how I am at Max. Stories I can log into Mac, stories and I'm very afraid to. Do I have. No I I used to have access deal website I. Don't think I do any more anymore. I did some cleaning up and you banished. Not Fair what in follow up. Yeah, tell us about. DEB Beta to for us. It's L.. I. Only have a on my ipad right now. That doesn't really seem to have been huge changes just like a lot of tweaks. I don't know if they really were expecting big changes. They've added some new features a new widgets. Some some Bob's hair and there some stuff's been cleaned up I'm kind of waiting to see if some of the bugs, the I've been experiencing have been fixed, but I have not yet. Rian counted them. If you know what I mean like one I was having was like the show which widget which is becoming completely unresponsive and I had to reboot my device to get a look. So, I'm just kinda waiting to see if that sort of stuff kind of fixes has been fixed fixes itself, but as of right now, I don't know but the I'm pleased to see the second or is here. Because it means the apple kind of keep in typical pace, I would expect from. From, what we would usually think they would be doing at this time of year like having. What are we two weeks now? Soon to? Sarah. Yeah sure yeah, so we got that there's. A couple of icon. Couple of changes that that's. By enlarge it, there's also this sounds like The proof of the default. Service change showed up for Home Pa, but you can actually do right because I think. It's GonNa require an entitlement like email, apps and stuff like that. I don't think anything can say. It's default music service apple probably have to you know. Say Yeah you're good. You. Know this this stuff, but there's nothing nothing wild debated to is also out for Mac. Os Big Sur and. It's pretty much the same deal in no real big changes. There's some new stuff catalyst. Pay can be used catalyst APPS, which is cool and the terrible battery artwork is still in system preferences, which makes me sad. How does the Apple Pie thing work was it? Is it the Apple Watch thing touch ID. Yes, yes, so it acts just like it would in a at get up. Okay well, that's nice. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And the battery icon is bad and sister preferences and they should. They should fix it this change it. I feel like that one will be changed because it's been maintained. Like it's like? We're GONNA. Talk about some questionable icons. IMPAC Sarala on this episode. I think I have some. The I wanted to bring to the table. The some people were saying that the install process for two on the MAC was pretty rough. I had issues with it. I had to reinstall the Beta profile. Than Restart. The Mac and it finally saw the update. That's not that uncommon. During these Beta cycles of definitely saw that scene that in previous years, and so I don't think that's anything to be worked up a just look you're. Running a Beta version. You're going to have have weirdness. Do, want to talk about where we're running the Beta. So you said you had on is fourteen on your IPAD. Are You doing anything else? I well. Okay, because later on I have been running. On a laptop and I. I'm really like. Flooding with putting it on my phone but I have not yet made the final decision. I had said that I would not do it until Beta to. Now to is here. And I want to, but there's a couple of APPS. That will be. The I know, we're going to be a problem. Like one of my banking APPs. On My IPAD is convinced that I of Jail Burqa. My phone and I'm not allowed to use it. And I typically check this off on my phone, so I'm kind of giving it a day or two to see if they wall. Make an update to prepare for the public. Beta right 'cause. I'm sure that they're aware of this kind of stuff and can do so I'm assuming that it's doing some kind of version by check. It's got something and it saying that it's not. Because it's not even like all. We don't support this thing. It's like no, you have you of Jailbird, can you? Device are nets? You're making some some big assumptions here. My friend so I'm kind of waiting to see if that will be fixed, so maybe give it to, but I. IF I do I'm going to go with the bay because I want all the my devices my Iowa's devices to be on the same. release. If I'M GONNA run it I'm still planning to not put it on my point. Nine inch ipad until maybe four, three or four, so I have one device. I can count on and frankly the most important device for me at the moment. Is that once I'm spending the majority of my time doing anything work-related because? The typical reasons that I wouldn't put the Bait on my phone. Just don't count on that so I'm kind of I'm kind of fine I'm kind of fun with it, so maybe maybe. You'RE GONNA. 'cause I know you're. You are a public by the way. What are you GonNa? Put It on when that comes out everything. So I have the death Beta on my ipad mini and have the Dave bet debt of Mac Os on my day? Data. He's a nice guy, but he's he always early to parties. And he trips over. In crashes. Censor everything. Then Times he just freezes midst. He falls asleep. Is Everyone's so excited to see him when he arrives at the Pie, but then he just messes everything. And isn't very support. This is fun. This is new breakout character the program. Dave. Leave widgets everywhere behind. So. I generally put the Public Beta on my iphone running the Dave Betas everywhere else. I probably going to put this on my phone pretty soon like like straightway like during the show. No, like if they released the public on Thursday or whatever. Probably ranking go for! You are not going anywhere. The bank at that I need for work works on my IPAD and I was fourteen, so I feel like it would work on my phone and I'll probably keep my head pro on thirteen anyways just to have a a an out, if really run into something completely broken. Yeah, the one thing I do worry about is like I mean, and this is the issue I mean I'm already in this problem by having put. On any device is. Like the the problems Federico had of I cloud. Yeah, you know, remember when he's cloud just like exploded, and there's nothing would sink, and he had to have like a reset or something done at some point like that's the kind of stuff. That I worry about when doing any of this stuff, but I guess if installed on any device well, it's too late I guess. I could see that. That's a common feeling. I don't really want to be in. Boat, but it's too late now anyway. Yeah. It's got to go all in. Do you find yourself on your Iowa's thirteen IPAD. Missing something in fourteen, though the way that showed 'cause work now I like the lot and the way that I've got my shortcuts widgets. All of that stuff I like I have like multiple shortcuts. widgets stacked on top of each other and different. A lot of time tracking. I like that and and I built some task manager shortcuts where you can just type everything in from search. Basically right? You just run the show Cup from such type. Everything in and nothing ever happens nothing you know I. I like all of that kind of stuff shortcuts. Still think is the biggest thing of been enjoying. And the some of the stuff is nice I do really like the new such who I like. It just looks nice. I'd like you just just conceptually that it doesn't take over the screen visually. I like that like that and so like it's not the. Less effective because of that or like all these features have become so important now in this someone that gone alike account. Walk when the gun, but they all like things things that I that I do Miss I've had I've had that a little bit on. Big Sur. I think it because the UI changes we're. GonNa talk about it's like. Oh! Catalina looks really old. And I'd love to have the new messages on Mac that I work on every day. Because the new messages on big serves nice, but the s the case across the board, though like the new messages is very good, Oh yeah I love the the new stuff for group. And having the favorites pin at the top is awesome. That may be enough to get me on my phone. Want to break. This episode of connected is brought to you by squarespace. Make your next move squarespace. It lets you easily create a website for your next idea with unique demet name, award, winning templates and much more. You want to create an online store or host. A portfolio were write a blog squarespace the all when platform let you do all of that stuff and there's nothing to install the patches. Worry about you. Don't worry about upgrades, because squarespace has all of that covered. They've award winning twenty four seven customer support. If you have any questions, let you easily and quickly grab unique domain name, and they're watering. Templates are beautifully designed for you to show off your great ideas. What are my favorite things about building sites and squarespace is that I can build it. All my Mac all my stuff, and I can see all the MAC very quickly. How it's going to respond on smaller devices. They're designed. 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ID's gotTa log into securely. How many people are now? That's the question we their. How and Artika, No permanent residence. Yeah, largest station has a summer population of a thousand a winter. Of Two hundred. So it can't be a lot of people. the best case of time, maybe like a couple of thousand people or whatever I suppose I, knew someone who who worked at a science station anarchy for like a thanks. She was down there year, really Way Is it down or I don't think we have to address that. It depends. The earth is flat then I. Guess It's over. You wanted to be the outside edge. Let's talk about the iphone twelve again so I have some. More stuff about the charger and things like that, but also just throw some ice on that rumor. Gun if I quit now. You have to do the episode on your own. No one wants that. So. Let's stop we okay. Snow more jokes you. Mike. and Are you still there could see you on skype little bit now. You have to do as as. I'm doing. The whole show I don't know. Maybe I'll see one on. Come back a lot talking to do in a little while about boot processes on macos ten. They go MAC OS eleven. Excuse me, I've twelve. Let's start with chargers. Apple is serving iphone owners. How their thoughts on iphone chargers, which is hilarious. Yeah, my my feeling on this is like there's a survey for everything. And you know what I like? I'm sure that there are surveys. Abou- like. You like the antenna lines on your I like it could be about anything, but they become newsworthy when you can tie it back to a potential headline, but nevertheless apple does Wanna know if people like the war charger, and or still have it So maybe they, they want data. Apple want data so they can make the decisions they make right now. Yes, the thing. But I saw a cad leak. I guess it's Lake. Some somebody had an image of the box in. For the iphone twelve that seems to suggest there will be no charging I saw this macrumors. But the thing that is included in this kind of cat image is too little pockets. I guess to little a recesses warm weather paperwork would go so also no headphones. Which I think is that's. Honestly that's the one that no one's complaining about right? The headphones thing nobody is complaining about a lack of lightning headphones. Okay it's when I say nobody typically about the conversation around there being no headphones and no charger with the IPHONE, twelve people focusing on the charger, because that's probably the thing that affects most people right. People definitely affected. But the other kind of recess is four a cable presumably USB to lightening cable. Now I don't know about you. But when we were originally talking last time about there being no charge I also thought that would be no cable in the box Did you assume that they would be cable in the box? I didn't even think about the cable to be honest so when people were saying this charge. My initial thought was like. No cable, no! In the power brick. Because for my perspective, including cable probably still makes it actually makes it better for more people like just not having the charging brick itself. Is like yeah, it's going to affect some people but I would expect that lots of people would have. A USB see charging brick of some kind now, of course if we were still on regularly USB I. Actually don't think that this this would be a non issue. My opinion like who doesn't have something that they can plug a USB cable into home and charge right like. If you've had any phone, but now if you're switching from a modern android phone, then you would be fine. Right because you to have a USB. Cable you could plug into your previous brick and charge and also I. We had a few people. Reach out and be like Oh I. Know People that charges a falling apart, and they need a new charge. They probably just need a new cable right like I don't think that many people having their charging bricks falling apart like I know for me, all of the where the I have is on the cables, the actual charging bricks themselves. So I think that this was. This doesn't eliminate the issue. I think actually makes the affected group much smaller than I had initially expected it would be. And also makes this in my opinion and easier and cheaper thing for apple to offer that brick to you at checkout, because they sell the brick and the cable, a separate things right and I have absolutely no doubt that they could sell a discounted charging brick one of the week ones to you for a small price on the first checkout like you get discount one time. That seems like a very simple thing for them to be able to do. Yeah, I think the what we talked about having it just there, thank. You went apple care. Want to charge her like all that stuff in line means people just do it if they if they need a new one. I do wonder about the USCCA versus USPA thing if there is a cable, I just don't know like on just more more. People have USB a charges than they do USB charges like especially. If you're coming from older I more and more people charge I think with a wall, charger or something then pulling into a computer, it could be that UCA sticks around in charger land longer than it has elsewhere you know if you buy a keyboard or mouse from apple, you get a lightening cable. My Mac pro came with a USB. See Lightening Cable, black and braided and very awesome, but it's kind of all over the place and I and My. My hunch is that it will be cable USB. A No charging brick I. think that's my final answer for now cable USB. Charging break The only changes no charger brick. Okay! Wait so you you so did the iphone twelve come USB a charger the eleven main. Yes. Yes, I think it did. Maybe the chat room can help us. Chat Room. What does the iphone come with the iphone eleven? Where does it come with pros as USCC KYLE SAYS UC. Okay well, then that then whatever it comes with now own the iphone eleven comes to the NBA of US confusing whatever it comes with now. Yeah. No I reckon there will go all us. See because. They will USB cables in the box. You get one time cheap purchase of a brick and that. That's what I can. They'll do OK, so it seems like the iphone pros come with you is BC to lightning and everything else comes with USPA to lightning. Mayors confused because disembark my wife's iphone. Se and it had a USPA to lightening cable. Right phone is old. Okay so anyways charger gate. It's coming. Force all be prepared. Ruma has already that Samsung will will skip it. Next, year, twenty twenty one they will be not putting charges in boxes to. Yeah I saw a headline that read Samsung to follow Apple and stop offering paradise or smartphone next year like. We don't have to. Say Samsung Copying, apple every decision they make. Just, cool it. Apple journalists. Yeah, it's like because what is i. mean if that is the case. Like what are they even like? There's no copying because apple actually haven't done this yet. It's a route rumor, but fine I mean. I wouldn't X. honestly like Samsung and pack is in a couple of weeks time slot in August. they look like they're going to have a pretty sweet bronze color for the for the note, which looks kind of Nice. I genuinely expect to hear someone from Samsung say that there's a charter in the books the from because they love to take those shots when they can. Do new. It's going to be the new headphone Jack Yeah, because they did that, they were like go. We ever her phone. Jackson's Google that to both of those companies. The next year removed the headphone Jacks, and again like I. Don't think that all of this stuff is copying I. Think a lot of it is just like this is the way goes. and Apple for whatever reason on occasion is I but it's not the case always right like. Samsung made big phones before anybody else. I guess they eventually. Everyone got the you know. But Yeah I mean look I think that the reasons that we spoke about last week the positives for. Removing these charges from boxes both economically full companies involved, and environmentally I think that's the reason that will see happen, and will be totally fine an and this'll be something that everybody gets used to way easier than like a cable transition. Like I really do believe that like because this is a much simpler thing to deal with right then like if they change cable that is a big pain right well when they did it from proprietary to proprietary right like go from thirty pm to lightning, assess this big ecosystem stuff and you've got to change who you're cables. Maybe you have peripherals. Don't work anymore, but this is just. Just like you have a charge like that will already walk with this probably at home and if you don't, it's like a million options that will actually really good much cheaper to get, and you actually have more choice available to you because you can get those wild fancy fos challenging ones now that have got that gun the something. What is that G., a. and something what is that? On so you can get those, or you can get like an Amazon basics usb charger, right and you end up. Like a full spectrum that this one is like. There are more there's more upside to this. If as long as they actually do, have something for people to be able to get themselves a charge of a cheap, but anyway well, we'll talk about the iphone twelve. It's about the time of year where dummy unit start appearing on in photos and on youtube channels like hd just had a video with some dummy units. These units come from case manufacturers case manufacturers pay. A lot of money to the supply chain to try and get specifications for the sizes of the funds. They want the size of the bodies and the size of the camera notches where the buttons are kind of stuff, right? Because then they can stop making that cases, so they can be ready to sell their cases when the phone is available is very important. Right if you're case manufacturer. It does make me think that apple should like have some partnerships right. I. Think maybe do Logitech now. But I. Think maybe they do have auto boxers well, but. You know it would be nice if they will options on day one that wants just apples, options and so. They do it for the IPAD. I don't know if they do that for the iphone they should think. Causes Sank Grand. The CIA Saint Belkin as well so you know it's good to have those options, so that's you know Benny Way so these these the these. Devices an created from the CAD drawings and specifications I duNno, so they can be sent out to people, and also you can actually see just as case. So, it seems like typically there would be a lot things not final in these because like for example you don't need to know how many cameras there are on the phone. Use need to know the size of the notch so the dummy. That MK PhD has only has three cameras on it when that seems unlikely, right like it really seems like it. It will get three cameras on the lighthouse answer, because I think it would be very peculiar. They did not have the light sensor on the phone. Of getting rid of a camera, the initial so showing no change to the notch size now. We don't know if that's going to happen has been rumors. On both sides on this, but basically the not sizing on these devices, it makes no difference about size of them because it's not what cases cover. I will say just on the conversation of cases, so what these these devices show is the flat sides. The IPAD PRO liked design I think I struggle with put in a case on that this time because. That design looks very modern and cool and nice and I. Don't know if I'd WanNa put case on that phone straightaway at least. Should be less slippery than the rounded edges major I mean. The my problem is not that like phone. Slip out my hand. My problem is I. Drop them and I don't think that that's a slippery problem you know. Just pick them up. Wrong or I. Just don't grip them right or not. Not Paying attention and drop them. Asked me a problem holding it wrong. Yeah, maybe I'm holding it wrong But while I wanted to talk about. Is the sizing options of these phones. Because there's some. There's some nuance here that that people may not have got from watching that video that I had to do some digging into kind of really get my head around. Marquez have three devices right, but the rumors have been. There would be four phones this year. The reason for this is that the room is all suggesting that there will be four phones in three sizes, so the iphone twelve will be five point. Four inches will come back to that. The iphone twelve Max which would be no. We'd be six point one inches. The iphone twelve pro would be six point one inches and the iphone. Twelve Pro Max would be six point seven inches. So? Who Yeah I won't put a link in the show notes to macrumors article where they have an image showing kind of the physical sizing of this lineup performance competitive stuff that we currently have because it's a little tricky to get your head around this and what it might mean because like screen sizes don't necessarily equate to physical phone sizes depending on the model that you're looking at right because the small phone against this is something new. The iphone eleven, which is the entry model sits in the middle size, wise between the two pro models. Yeah, it's which is weird. That's how it is, but that's just because that was the ten. All was right like it just took that spot. This time that would change and you would get smallest the twelve to twelve Max and the twelve pro of the same size, and then the twelve pro Max is the biggest one. But the fun thing is five point. Four inches is smaller than the current. sizes right by quite a lot actually to the point that you would end up with the iphone twelve, so the kind of quote unquote entry into that line being smaller than the iphone se. To make physically that phone would be expected to fit in between the SEC and the SE to. That's that's a small iphone. It is a small iphone and it makes me wonder. Why the SE is around than price, price does the only reason it's around. You Know I. Have The iphone eleven pro, the five point eight inch the size. The iphone ten came out at and I really liked that size also I like this is the tin are, and the was at which is six point one inches. So having something. That size is I. think it'd be okay with that. Going from the eleven pro to the twelve pro. Even though it's bigger, I didn't mind the size of the ten are that I had for a while, but definitely don't WanNa go bigger than that. Because the. The twelve pro still be smaller than the pro Max. right like actually would kind of sit slightly larger than than what we currently have, and in the same vein. Right the the the. Twelve Pro Max at six point seven inches. Big Screen and the physical dimensions are a little bigger. I wonder if that might be too much for me. I think it might be. I have a phone even bigger than the pro Max. I! Don't know I really don't know about that I will tell you if this is what they do. It's the phone I will go full because I have always liked the bigger phones and I would like to know like. Is this the right phone for me? but I think that they may be really kind of pushing out there onto the the top end of how big a phone can get like I honestly like I don't know. Why They would be making the pro Max that. Big I mean I. Guess just because they're making the regular ones bigger. And we'll also not sure why they're doing. That right like the the the eleven pro. Is GonNA get bigger I don't know why I really like I'm struggling to get my head around what they're doing that. To me would have been more logical to have. The iphone twelve pro sit. At the five point, eight range, and then have the. Twelve Max be bigger than that one like I'm kind of a little bit for me, confused as to why the twelve pro twelve Max of the same size. That is weird to me and I assume that the pro would have another camera, so it's going to be more expensive, but I think a lot of people are gonNA. Look at the twelfth pro. If it's the same size think why is this? When so much more especially, if they're all alleged, apparently, they all load, which has been rumored and so I don't know it kind of makes the twelfth pro, which is what I would get. kind of seemed like maybe not that great of a deal and that's that's also it is an again. I will stay. This is over very confusing like I would recommend while you're listening to this. Look at the graphic. That is in the show notes and the macrumors like helps you to kind of see the progression so I will run it through one last time size from like from smallest to largest iphone se iphone twelve iphone se to iphone, Eleven and twelve iphone eleven pro. Max iphone twelve pro Max. That's the way it goes up in size now with carbon in new phones Yep. Yeah I don I. Don't know man I really I I'm. I think as good to have choice. But I think the choice needs to be really clearly laid out as to why you would make the decisions, and it's difficult for us to see that without the full SPEC lineup right to understand like what actually makes the maximum pro different but putting them in at the same physical screen sizes is a is is quite fills quite peculiar to me especially when they've made. The entry phoned significantly smaller as a very peculiar. Lineup but for people that want I small phone I'm happy that they will get that in a modern fung. That's great. Right like if you have been the person that's wanted a smaller iphone and will weigh in for the SC and we're like. Oh, well, you know, just get what what they make out that. And then what disappointed if you then continued to wait, which he probably doesn't, but if if you continue to way, I think getting rewarded with like. 'CAUSE! Has Good specks inside of it, but it doesn't have all of the bells and whistles like the camera and face. D You know that kind of stuff so being able to get all of that in a small of phone that'd be. That is a cool deal for the people that wanted a smaller iphone again. Oh, definitely, 'cause. You're not being. Punished with having a touch ID button. A modern phone. That's that small. And I don't know if anyone who bought the SE to would be. Some of them would be bombed, but I think a lot of people want something. More affordable and I think that the. Selling Point. But if that wasn't the case and you do want to get the new one. I bet the SE to retain pretty good value. If you wanted to resolve this point, yeah, It's It is confusing. You gotta go look at the graphic. I think the way apple is going to sell this. Hey, we've got. To families a phones. Twelve, Twelve pro. There's a little a big version of each and they touch in the middle I think just the four of those phones on a slide in basic. BASIC ISOLATION? I think that'll make sense people. new phones will be here before we know. 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Our thanks to H refs for the support, connected and relay FM. The time has come Mike talk about Mac stuff. Okay. So Apple Silicone, there are big changes coming right new brand CPU big architecture transition, and that's always exciting. It's exciting happened in the past. But with so many things, the details get really interesting, so spent some time watching a bunch of. WDC sessions about this. They have one in particular about the system architecture changes, and they also have ones about pouring your apps and your games over. Absorbing all this F, you get a pretty good picture of how these Max are going to work under the hood. So I thought we could talk about that, okay. You excited to learn about unified memory architecture no. While you're going to, there are things that I am excited about when we're talking about this. That's not one of them, because I don't know what that means are. You excited about colonel. Integrity protection no device isolation sure. Okay we'll get to that. I'll wait for that one. Excited about you, really sell in this segment to both me and the listener. Hey, I know that people like me out there Dozens of US So currently basically, every type of classic computer which think of has memory for the CPU and separate memory for the GPU on modern Max, you can have giant pools of the stuff and data can be shared between them. But on the IPHONE and ipad in the coming MAC architecture. Apple would be going to a unified memory architecture unified memory system, and this means that. The memory is basically a pool for both the CPU and Pugh to quickly share data between them so the the. Way Of thinking about Oh. I've got thirty two gigs of Ram, but my video card has. A gigabytes of memory like those lines are gonNA. Get really really blurry in the apple silicon world, because it's all unified in a big a big bucket of memory. Everyone's just hanging out together. What, does this mean for Ram Upgrades? I don't know like there's lots of questions about this. Could this main that there wouldn't be any? Could I mean so a most Max is not the only Mac. You can really a bit the Raymond yourself is. The Five K. I mak, which looks like it's GonNa get replaced here pretty soon. The MAC mini. If you're brave and the MAC, pro. All the other machines sealed in or even soldered so maybe it's not a big deal, but it could it could be the end of memory upgrades on. Most computers. I would be completely surprised if that was the I actually just think as well they will do. This simplifies things for them. and. Trying to reduce the amount of bill to other options on the Mac I'm sure is like a real cost goal somewhere. you know and I really expect that. So many Mac Baya's now do not make any amendments to this stuff. Or may be that it is custom order, but it's that that is what it is. Room is pointing out that on computers with onboard Intel graphics. It already kind of works this way. Is very similar. There's some slight differences that are. Beyond my pay grade, but this is this unified move. Architecture is a big change. What it unlocks potentially is if apps are written especially in metal. which apple's really really pushing? Is that these applications can get data. Around the system way quicker than ever before because they're not having to use a I connect connection in between the CPU a GP you. It's all there in one place. It could meet some really breakthrough performance stuff if APS can really make it sing, which is going to be a recurring theme as we move into this new world, that apple wants you to build applications in a certain way especially if they're graphics heavy, and that way is metal, so you get used to metal. Have you want to? Fire this thing up, okay, are you ready? You Ready for metal? You'RE GONNA. Rewrite your APP METAL! Unlike until Max Apple, silicon Max, have we'll have asymmetric multiprocessing? So they started this on the iphone years ago or Hey, we've got four cores to high-performance and two or high efficiency. Remember this and they can. Use the ones that they need at any given time with a mindset towards. We want to preserve battery life, but offer performance when the user demands it, so there's this concept of processing your processes with your application, having basically identifiers on them to say hey, I'm I'm a high performance. Task User asked me to perform something I need to be on the high performance core. Let me go as fast as I can go while a lot of other stuff including. Maybe even the background could be. Relegated to those slower more energy, efficient cores and could happen whenever there's cores are free again. Developers don't get all this for free. On Intel MACs. Every core is more or less the same speed. If hyper threading and you have other other issues to contend with, but for the most part core, one and core three are the same speed and so Mac apps now written for multi threading can just assume that all cores will act the same, and that that will not be true. On Apple Silicon Max and this was the big question. I had of how much of what we see in the IPHONE IPAD. Will make it over to the MAC, and this is what I thought about because. Efficiencies really important on a mobile. Mac! Right your arm arm-powered Medicare. You never really good battery life, but something like an mack or Mac pro. You don't really care about efficiency that much. You really want high performance stuff, and so my guess is that apple offer different mixes of course in their different platforms so maybe. Aloma notebook has two high performance and to high efficiency where the I mac. You know twenty seven inch. Whatever big MAC would have six eight ten high-performance cores and maybe four Hyphen Z. Course, maybe they can skew this one direction or the other depending on the device, and that's a strength. They'll have because they'll be controlling the whole thing. which I think is really exciting. Right that they could tune these things. On what they need. I think this is. Confusing to me as why they would be giving developers this information now. because. Can. Currently like a MAC develop Can they really have that? Much control of how much power is given to the application? If we'll right now, if you enable it for an application for multi threaded use the system, basically will split those across the multiple cores, as it sees fit granted dispatches kind of in the middle of all this running that. But that's what I figured said like surprises me that it doesn't just replace it. System give me as much power as you have and it will do that no matter where it's coming from from. I'm I think I'm a little bit perplexed as to why. Why they would be talking about that. Like how actually difficult for a developer clear, it's the same API's. That are us now or they're changed, but I do know. The the declaration of this task is a High Kim can be run hyphen C. Core. That is new. And so I think they're really pushing. Developers be like look. You want to be called out in the battery minibar item for being power inefficient, and this could be a way to get around that and to make sure that you're behaving and member De. Keizer out there, right? We have people on the Internet have them that we may or may not who knows it's a mystery. No, I know multiple people that have them to I was trying to be mysterious. Rapid the thing is no developers keeping their mouths shut about the fact that they have them. That's your. Everyone is saying that they have them they. Yeah so when James is working on peak out on the. Could be working on this and say hey. Some tasks can be high efficiency and I think it's. It's really incentive for developers to be good stewards of battery life right. which is good because that's that's one of the one of the key ideas and moving to our Max is the battery left could be incredible well, that can only go so far if developers don't write apps that behave right look at chrome chrome on a thirteen back, but pro and running safari on the same Mac. Book pro drastically different experiences in terms of battery, life and I think I'm just surprised. I think it just surprises me that the system doesn't do a full you. Don't get that. Say Yeah I I. The system can't or this isn't doesn't want to assume what in your APP should be a higher priority than other things right? Maybe I'm assuming that. The high efficiency low efficiency thing will not be the case on the desktop machines. I think they may still have. There's Hyphen Z. Core so applications that are expecting him or there, but I would expect the high power chorus to vastly outnumber them on desktops right right and then I'll mobile. Maybe it's a little more in balance you know. Depending on the application may be the low efficiency caused. Take the handle of like when the machine is sleeping. If things are happening in the background, right things like the. What's the name for it There's A. Has, that doesn't like power nap. polynice stuff to device can do reis. Update out, imagine all that gets moved to a low efficiency core. And just like can run for you. Know Ninety days or something out standby, so that's a big thing. This is one of those things. I think like grand central dispatch like some of the things that they did like the Mavericks as that. This is going to take time for developers to tune all of this and the de. Que Ryan The a twelve Z isn't what a real CPI will be like in these Max I expect this to get better with time as developers do a better job at fine tuning this, but I guess this is one of the good things about the case, it does have a chip that has this at least you know. The chips working to do have efficiency and a low power. In that chair so, that's good at least so couple of security things that they're basically bringing over because this is the way that it works on IOS devices. Where the system we'll talk about the boot process in a second, but basically the system is much more protected right now. In Catalina the system lives on a read only partition. You can't write to that in big Sur that is then actually signed, and so if anything does change, the signature would fail, and the OS would wouldn't boot or give you some sort of warning. Now when the colonel is loaded into memory on these new machines, so this is independent of Big Sur, but on our Max in particular. What's the colonels and memory? The pages memory that have kernel code in them cannot be modified so having colonel injections and these other things that used to be. Pretty I mean in one way obscure, but also released serious security loopholes those continue to get lockdown it. It's basically impossible or very difficult to screw with the colonel. Once you're up and running memory of stay deprecated that a couple of years ago or year ago right where they will stop doing that. Yeah, so they they've deprecated kernel extensions right? Kernel extensions are being phased out in favor of driver kit, which runs sort of in the user space. What's interesting I did not think this is going to be the case. Colonel Engines are still supported in big Sur on Intel, but they're also supported on our Max. I thought they made draw the line with the transition say. Say Wild look if you're running apple silicon Mac you don't get currently existence. They're still there I think the reason is that a lot of corporate security suites and like you know enterprise tools can take wall rely on a kernel extensions, and so maybe they wanNA keep those around a couple more years for those applications to come over I might be speaking at school him, but could day potentially just be running in. Rosetta kernel extensions I believe cannot be emulated, so they have to be reconciled to be native I. Think but apple says in no uncertain terms. I wrote this down watching a session. More friction around kernel extensions is expected as apple pushes towards driver kit. It's like just so you know we're going to make this harder and harder for you. As a developer and a user to rely on kernel extensions, and really it can be really surprising how many you may have running on your Mac because a lot of things use them i. don't like those things. Stay calls that really like you know. On Day the thing that causes that Super Weird Gray screen. Is, that will call extensions to you. Don't WanNa talk about when the screen has little text on it. It's basically like the Max version. The blue screen kernel panic kernel panic. That's it. They can lead to that sort of thing. Okay, but apple trying to get all those kind of written on a higher level than the colonel, because the colonel's the heart of the Os and you know controls things like memory and data allocations. Maybe they should just be sealed off box and we don't. We don't play in that space anymore. One thing that related this is your favorite the device isolation. On Intel MACs any device has access to all system memory. They're gonNA change that on our maximum. Basically, piece device has its own pathway has dedicated. Pages in memory, so it can't. Snoop on other PCI devices again, pretty obscure security issue, but potentially serious. If it were to be exploited, that are continued to to lock these things down which I think on the whole is pretty good. If you run enterprise off, probably GONNA get painted the but by from a user perspective I think all this is is pretty good stuff for the most part so the the boot overview. Stuff I'm trying to make this quick. I just thought it was interesting. You know right now. If you have an issue with your Mac, you have to like Buddha command our command option. Are you always have to look it up because it's confusing? Ram I. Think is still going to be separate. To boot into recovery, mode or Internet recovery mode all those things. Now you can just long press on the power button or the touch ID button if you have a notebook. And will give you a new fancy menu and tell you give you the options you have available to you know system recovery startup descriptions whatever you're looking for, so the making that a little bit easier because all those boot modifiers have gone too complicated for most people to remember including me. There's something that's interesting here so secure boot has been around for a while That's what tells a machine what it can boot from. Apple says that in Apple Silicon Max. It is made to support multiple. Mac Os installs inversions as long as they're. Signed or previously signed by Apple. I don't know what that means. Does that mean our Mac? I buy in five years. Could that run big? Sur because right now couldn't. So it's like it's a little unusual wording about what versions of Mac, Os. Could run even though they're no longer signed. My guess is what it means is. If I have a twenty twenty four, Mac. I can't run big Sur right, but if in twenty twenty four I have a Mac I bought in twenty, twenty, one could still installed big Sur on that. Even if apple stops signing it, which is really different from IOS right, we see these articles every time there's a offer update like thirteen point five point one is. Thirteen point five has stopped being signed by Apple, so you can't stall it anymore. It seems that they're gonNA give them accusers. A little more flexibility. Here which I think is good is what Mac users want, and if you want to restore an older version of the Os that fine so that that is a little bit of a change you can. Now start at startup boots carry stuff. Tell it to boot from external disks which you can now, but you'd have to turn off some other settings to make it overall less secure, so they've kind of made middle ground there which is really useful in a troubleshooting. Standpoint able to boot from an external drive. One change here's where they are getting rid of target this mode which a lot of us have us, you power, Mac be fire wired outs, thunderbolt cable be doing to machines, and you migrate. That is gone, is being replaced with what's called Mac schering mode where you hook to Max up over the network, and it's based on SNB. File sharing, and you'll have to authenticate to the old Mac. As opposed to target this mode, which basically just major Mac, big external hard drive, so that's an interesting change. I think functionally it'll stay the same where I could use migration assistant from an old computer, but target. This mode has been around. For Twenty Years Twenty five years, and being replaced with this sharing mode over SNB's, so that'll be a change that people will run into probably the second or third are mcvay by you know you're not going to be migrating from and our MAC probably in the first year, or so because he's going to buy and use it for a long time, but that'll be something to keep an eye out for later down the road. How is it? GonNa work to move to Amac so right now. gration assistant work over the network. And, I would assume that you could have an intel. Mac and target this mode and connect it to an are Mac over thunderbolt or whatever the connector is. Yeah, it's just that the army itself can't go into target this mode so I think going to and will be going to another Intel Mac. But going from an army to something else may may be this different process in the future. Okay. I like the name though Max mode. It's a nice name is better than Migration Assistant. Or target. That means. The money, but like that's like A. Psycho. One last thing talking about the startup recovery. Changes, a couple of things right now in the full or reduced security things which tells them. Hey, can I beat from national disc? Et CETERA. On Intel MACs that is set to the system wide setting, so if I say this Matt cannot boot from external drive. Can't there's no way around it. Okay, if you're on an an arm Mac, you can set these settings. Per. Version of Mac Os so if you are running Mac os big Sur and whatever comes after it, you say. My newest cannot from an extra. All drive has the security parameters. The other OS can have different security parameters right in my mind I can't think of a great example of why someone would want that, but it's an option. NOCCO apple at some use case in mind here so. It's that's a change to go into that. Reduce security mode. It does let you run the older versions of Mac Os. And you must be using notarized third party kernel extensions in reduced securities if you have non notarized kernel extensions, which I'm not even sure as possible under big Sur off to be signed, but anyways, if you don't if you have one, that's not notarized for whatever reason you cannot go into reduce security, but you have to stay in full security mode again. Keeping the colonel as safe as distant from third party code as you can. Xavier Reduced Security. This is going to be a trade off. You have to make you make sure all your current engines are notarized again. I, think ought to be noted is a big Sur so I'm not sure if this is A. That big of a of a headache, but it is a thing to be aware of. In the, Chat Room is is wondering if system integrity protects can be disabled on our Max I have not seen anything saying that specifically, so I would assume that it works the same way as the until macktaz will. You can turn off sip if you want to, but you shouldn't. Not Your own payroll I don't do it I want SIP on, so I'll turn off on every Mac come on just like who needs the interrogators system on me the flat earth of security settings. Just get things taken care of. If there's one thing I can keep secure, it's my Macintosh. So there's that. Lastly mattress recovery itself been around for a long time. If you need to reinstall Mac Os, there's like a secret version of it on a volume on your Mac, and you can reinstall it on Max. You can always fall back to Internet recovery which maybe you've had to do. Some people in the audience had to replace that the desk. Where you completely wipe it, you can boot up again with some secret combination of keyboard commands and basically install Mac os from apple over the Internet. It's slow depending on your connection, but it's your fallback if your internal disk has been completely formatted. Now on. Apple Silicon Max, adding another option called system recovery so. If. You're MAC OS install is broken. You have MAC OS recovery to reinstall it if you've done something where the Mac Os recovery is also broken now you have system recovery this live lives in a separate hidden container, so it's not realistic anywhere. I think you can see it in terminal if you if you start probing around your volumes, but it's not like mountains anywhere for these are to see it. And it is a minimal version of Mac os that can reinstall macos, recovery and Mac. Os, you have this like third level backup of. If you really nothing terrible to your install, there's like another way you can get back up and running. If you did something bad, there's this if you did something bad that this did something so bad that nothing else is this for you? We also have this one yeah. It's Mac os all the way down. Apple configuration will also continued to be supported You need that right now if you install a new. Let's say you updated the SSD's in your Mac pro. I linked to the knowledge base about this. You have to use apple configuration or to to repair the. Of the two and anyways Elba configure to will still be around on our Mexican. This is also tool using the enterprise to recover machines under circumstances. So that's still there as well. There's giving people more flexibility more tools to manage. This which I think is cool, because a lot of us thought well Dang. Going to be more locked down in these ways and some ways that's true, but other ways apples, making them more livable for people who need to recover or to troubleshoot things which I think is great. This transition is going to create a law of work for people in support roles for. Max. Yeah! It's like a lot to learn because it's like you must retain all of the current knowledge. For many years to come. And, then there's also these really different ways that things work and a lot of instances will be countered to your ingrain knowledge. Of how this stuff works! Yes, kind of I mean it makes sense but. I think it's still something well staying that there is a there's a lot happening. Well and big Sur itself even works differently until an our Max's you can run. An IPAD APPS on the arm one, so it is all over the place. I agree with you. I've got plenty of friends who support a bunch of MACs for a living and. y'All are going to have a fun time when they start showing up on your shores, this episode of connected is made possible by Mitt Mobile. If you're still using one of those big wireless providers have yes yourself. What are you actually paying for between? 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Quinn was calling the operating system. Big Suit like that right something. Like I'm trying to. Maybe you can actually. Can you clip it and just put it in? His people can hear what Quinn was. Saying I've been using the MAC os big sewer. Beta ethnics skews martyr big Sur Beta on my Mac pro since Monday look to in the comments and Quinn was saying that he has pronouncing it as it would be in Spanish and. Spanish So that's why they spoke Spanish he lived in South America for a while. Yeah, so maybe it's still like I know he is a native Spanish speaker. or at least a fluent Spanish speaker so. That would be why, but. It's like one of those things. I was things like Queen. You may be like technically correct, but you are going to be the only person speaking English who calls it lists rightly. No one else is GonNa do it. I implore Quinn to fight the good fight on this one. Just just soldier on you know just you can be the big sewer guy. Ever you WANNA say well. We had that with Mojave. Right, Mojave Mojave Mojave Mauvais. I Know John? Syracuse is on a on a on a rampage. A tie right now about whether the emphasis should go in that. Who knows if anyone saying correctly? This is the fun thing of of macos poorly namings they. Very hard to get consistent now it wasn't so much of a problem when it was. Cats I know Steve Jobs said Jaguar and really weird way. Jaguar, the next release of MAC OS, ten were officially announcing it today, version ten dot to. Most beautiful CD we've ever made. Picks are rendered the for by the way. Mac Os ten Jaguar has over one hundred and fifty major new features in it. Does that also Puma Puma? Puma. Tiger. Anyway so not rely on. I A while ago. Had Loan to me by Apple. A sixteen inch Mac pro with a touch bar. Well, the new sixteen inch map book pro rights that the brand new. And it's the only one because anyway so I've had that for a while I actually they let me keep it for a little longer and I've put big Sur on that machine because I. don't use that computer. Right like it's a review machine. I've never used it for anything. It was actually in my studio, locked away my studio for three months about me, being able to get to it, but I went to the studio las, week and picked up the laptop and. And I've put big Sur on it and I've used it for a few hours right like over a couple of days which is enough to get some kind of first impressions, but I'm not planning on doing anything significant in it. You know I I played around there I actually wrote my notes for this show. It was using it. You know and just kind of seeing what it would be like to poke around and also just to do some typical kind of like. Non. Look on that machine. And I have like a list of. Things I wanted to mention that of the areas you've heard of, but as is typical with me in situations, I have differing views to your typical technology podcast. So point number one on that is I really like the new icons I think the APP icons look fantastic. There are some witnesses at small sizes, so I am a left talk person and have quite a few APPs in the dock and so. They get quite small and like system preferences looked really weird when it small, because they've added quite a lot of shadowing and darkness into the gears, so it looks very dark the icon But the funny thing about is all of the worst iconography big. Sur Lives Inside of system preferences like the screen time. ICON is very bad obviously that battery icon everyone knows about. Did. You put in here that this something isn't retina. Yeah? The icon for the notification preference Pane isn't retina. Scraping Humor going to get one of those be is funny to me. How like most of the offenders are in there? But I feel like that's maybe always been the case. There's always been so strange icons inside of system preferences. Because it's one of the only places in Mac Os. The actually has visual iconography may apple, so you have a high hit rate like icon, think of anywhere else in the system where apple has drawn a bunch of icons. And put them there of than the APP icons right. Yeah it's their chance to go in there and go while go times. They go a little too wild. You know obviously the the icons, especially, in the fact that everyone's talking about icons and icons of such thing. This is naturally reminiscent of Iowa seven because that was when all of the. Things changed right like all the icons changed via seven, and initially went way too far, and then over the Beta period kind of tighten up a little bit I don't think we're at that level. I think the tweaks that need to be made tweaks. Will we made will be much smaller especially with like an agency, but I think I was thinking about this. We were talking about this in connective pro. As well before we began today's episode, you can get connected pro connect, does it? Is it connected pro dot co? That's the euro right connected pro dot co get connected pro. Get connect to pro. No is connected pro. You don't even know it's in the bombing I. Literally just loaded it. Get connected pro. Because, I requested you get both of them. For the exact reason of what's happening right now. which was I? Would say get connected protocol that so I said to you. Hey, you get that second Ural, but the canonical Europa connected pros can do protocol. So. She's off people who wanted to sign up. Well look you know. The great thing is go to any of them and be fine. There's like an insurance, so we were talking about like Iowa, seven and big Sur and like I think there's a lot of assumptions of people putting them in the same bucket in the same thinking in their mind. That it will change a lot from one to release. But. I'm not convinced that that's going to be the case that. It may actually be pretty pretty locked down visually. Right now, right? So that, there is why we were. We all right now with picks we end up being a big Sur is probably going to be going to be pretty locked in I. Mean I I feel like is an as overall weird as it was for Iowa, seven, but it really, maybe it's just like some iconography stuff that needs to be changed. People see things like the spacing in the Menu Bar, and like Oh. They'll tighten up. When. A, different school, the thought would say no. They're very specific reasons why their fingers gang the reason. Yeah I think the icons are more or less here to stay, I think the bigger change for me. Other than the the design is that they want to conform them all into the round wreck shape. And that just makes me a little sad because I think Mac icons a really cool. When they were cut out shapes, and all varied and mixed up, and they're trying to downplay that they've done that with all their absent utilities like there's look at the utility folder. On your current Mac almost all of his icons are different and big Sur to conform to the new shape and size, which is a bummer to me. Why because there's a rich history of back icons being fun different shapes like right now. I've got Devon, think it looks like a shell I've got circles I've got reader which is a cube of got audio hijack, which is a little bottle, the maids I can spot them very easily say that. They can jump outside of the round wreck. They just wanted to have around right. Yeah, yeah, but. Still makes me sad. But for me like the thing about Mac, icons isn't the shape. It's their overall kind of like detail and. You know like the the the look of them. I don't think that. Again for me, the shape isn't so much of a thing like I'm looking in my doc right now and honestly like. Again here we go. I think it's messy. To to have them all be different shapes, I think I actually prefer the consistency because the other thing like they're. Different shapes are. It looks like there were different sizes in the dark for me and I. Don't I don't like it. I liked it. There is a kind of a standard idea, and then you can go wild within that. That's what I think will be called. It's what I like about what they currently have with the ICONOGRAPHY. I think that there is. It feels much more consistent even just amongst the stuff that apple shipping because there is like. A guideline around it I'm going to assume you just don't agree with me. Not Disagree which is fine when it comes to our show. Look at Relay FM. The person. I know personally who enjoys the most visual consistency is yourself? It's true. I'm a complicated man. I've never claimed to be consistent. That's the one thing you can always rely on me is my. See. There's no truth except there. There's no truth kind of. Light mode is to light yes. It's blinding. It's like looking out across. Antarctica completely frozen. I have dock mode on all of my Max now. And prefer that anyway but I wanted to see what light mode look like, and it was too light for me. So I went straight back to dark mode again. That's that's too much to transparency is to regressive. Never liked the transparency on the MAC. I don't particularly want to see the color of my desktop wallpaper all the time. So you know that's never been one? That's never been something that I've been super cool about I actually have always. Have on my Mac right now, and have an all my Max I, actually reduce transparency and accessibility but I. I turn that setting off. So I could get a sense for what the system actually wanted to look like and I don't know if this is the case, but it felt even more aggressive than I've seen it in the past E. Yeah I agree first of all. I'm not dark mood. Person on the MAC and I don't sound like it on the Mac, but everything is too bright. I have a really hard time telling what's active and inactive as far as windows. You basically have to look for the stop. Light controls to see if they're lit up or not I. Think they need to do a better job at distinguishing those things. As far as the transparency, I agree with you I. Surely don't like transparency and MAC OS. I don't like to increase contrast setting because I don't like to thin border that goes on everything. Which I guess is what you use your back right? Okay. I thought that was contrast added the border. Oh, yes, sorry! Increased contrast as the border. Then reduce transparency just turned out the transparency, which makes everything just solid white. I used. Contrast until I go onto. Mohave and Mohave became too aggressive, so I turn off in previous versions of Mac Os. I had use the increase contrast, but it became. It became a little bit too much. They they added this thin white line like in dog mode I. Actually think the reason I changed. It is because I moved to dock mode, okay and light mode it was. Actually found it nicer because he added a thin dark line to everything, and I like that, but in dock mode as thin white line. That looks weird to me. I don't know why maybe I kind of liked the fact that my Mac look like it was in a comic book or something. I don't know. But I turn off, but reduced. Transparency is will on transparency again when I actually upgrade whatever machine I upgrade to big Sur whenever I do that, but I. I wanted to keep it that setting off finance so I had the experience I've. Just I don't like it I don't. I. Don't really get it for a windowed system. It doesn't make sense to me. I don't know what it adds. Like know. Lapa will tell me that they want it to be like adding layers, but I think that that works without the transparency. muddies things up for me visually in a way that I don't like I like the new alert style. I like the center like I think it looks Morton I. Honestly the previous styles been around for so long and ignored the alerts, but at least I, because these ones look different, I pay more attention to them I. Have No problem with it I think it looks fine. A what's funny is safari as had these new style in the Mac for a year now maybe longer. And so if you haven't seen, it is a white semi transparent round wreck box centered in the application window, and what's supposed to happen is the application window dims, and so the alert stands out more right that is very broken in the Beta some of apple's APPs. Do it some of them don't, but that'll be the overall again. Matching what Ios an IPAD OS for their alerts thousand. What used basically since I was seven right? That's centered white box. Yeah, come around to it. I do think this is the other system was old. I think this is one of those. Concessions to hey, there's a lot of iphone APPs coming over, and it's really going to be weird. If alerts look one way in one type of APP and another way elsewhere and so they just made them all the new style. Might as well yeah I. DON'T I. Don't love it, but it is I understand why they did it and I can I can get behind it with some with some time. I really like the rounded corners on. Okay just feels nice again like it just BEC-. The difference sometimes just adds to the idea of the modern feeling that it being different. It Look I. Mean it's very very very clear that future Mexican have rounded corners because what you put a window in the corner on the button you get these. Little pixels peak in third, and it's like there's no way that that's what they're gonNA. Keep right that. Because I know that there's like a slight rounding who Mac corners now, but. With the new with big because the corner is much more aggressive when you drag it into the bottom right, you see like a bunch of pixels like just just peeking through really weird to me. I would love the rounded corners idea anyway, because again. It was different like just make stuff whidden different like that's. That's of the world that we're going to be into. One of the things I do like about big Sur which comes in a bunch of ways is visual consistencies, so the widgets being the same visual, and they are actually the say they're also, if you I right, I liked that I liked that they look the same and I liked the idea of. Absolute I use. Even if they're MAC APPS and IOS APPS having the same visual style with the widgets I like. The visual consistencies IPAD OS in Apple's APPs like the toll bars size. I liked. That looks the same I like it because it makes my ipad had feel closer to a MAC, which is cool in its own way, but also so these applications I feel more home in them. No matter what device amusing have to like rethink every time I liked that the same way of like messages. Having the full experience, this is taken way too long. like using it now and getting all of the same features, and actually looking the same as other platforms is almost like it fills surprising because I've been so used to. Everybody else has with messages lagging like multiple years behind the MAC, so I'm very happy that they have given messages to cuddle is treatment so this won't happen anymore. I like the new look. Safari I really loved that type preview. It's really cool you and explain that people so basically now when you hover over tab, have changed a bunch of stuff anyway to to kind of make tabs bigger, you can tap move your finger, probably and like visually more appealing, and they all by default have like colorful five icons, but now when you. You Hover over a tab. You actually like pops down and shows you a preview of the window itself, which is just a nice way to visually walkout. What you? WanNa be looking at without Click Click Click Click on the tab that one if you are a person who has lots and lots and lots of tabs especially when the text disappears because you have so many times. So? Yeah overall. I would say I am very excited about the visual design of. It. is as I expected when I first saw the videos more akin to my own personal styles which have been informed by a heavy usage of Iowa. I've Lost Decade I have is very clear. Right like I have moved away from the MAC is my personal favorite primary platform, so have become indoctrinated in many ways into the ways that irs based devices work so having some more visual consistency coming into the MAC along with Ios, an IPAD. Finding their way into the Mac os well. I think is a good thing. Now why also really appreciate is that they are not. They are not doing anything to undermine the Max power in when they're doing this right like the MAC is still is powerful than not taking big features away. They're not changing how the MAC works, but they are quote unquote modernizing the visual design. Now you can either like or not like it, but you cannot deny that it is more modern because a lot of the things they've changed have been the same way on the MAC flight very long time right and. They are now making some of these changes to fit. The design they have on the newer platforms, which now are also getting old but like. There's only so much they can change it once I. This is a good thing, and my hope would be the. Along with stuff like. Catalyst and swift Ui they will actually keep the visual design of the operating systems close together in lockstep from Nail I expect to see that yeah. Because if they make big changes to Ipod us. And then the APPS change visual style, but the MAC operating system doesn't change to match it. That's going to look even within a of a did. Right, because then the applications will start to look new. In what will look like some kind of retailed house or something? Yeah, so at my hope would be from now. All of this stuff starts to move forward together where I think. It's pretty clear. The even with the changes that apple have made to the MAC over loss. You years visually. It hasn't gotten that much more modern feeling Still feels undeniably like Mac os ten. Or Ten, but just a modernized version of ten where I would argue that. Big Sur. In a lot of ways doesn't feel like Os ten anymore. But. I think that's what the best I mean if they didn't I apologize? They didn't keep moving that Ford. And the point of this would be wasted the whole ideas these APP should work across as many platforms as they're available to make that Phil consistent to a user. They often look the same at work the same. Which is why I think touches coming which we've spoken about, but it is yeah, it's a it's a big deal and I think it is. I think this is just the beginning of all of apple's platforms at least iphone IPAD, and the MAC becoming much more lockstep than they have ever been in the past as a as a side note. I got to try outside cough for the first time. I've never used it. Because I I. Don't have a Mac that runs. The I've us like I think. My Mac mini does, but I've never tried it, but anyway I tried out cycle. What is your? What is your Mac? Pro Because you're on high Sierra Noma Mojave okay. Right side calls Catalina feature. That's right. It's fantastic. It is incredibly smooth. I was so surprised how well it worked. How good it looked I think they add way too much us on an eleven inch. The this kind of sidebar on the left is way to lodge, thank. You you can a bunch of buttons, and and like I. I turned that off because. It off, yeah, and system preferences on the MAC. You've ever. We can change sides. That's onto. Yeah because that's the thing like I couldn't work out where the settings would be. because. It's like I obviously there on the Mac, but like I was thinking like what i WanNa change is what's on the IPAD? And, there wasn't obvious sentence, so I didn't think to look on the Mac you know it was kind of a weird thing. Super Weird Magic Keyboard. Magic Track Pad Keyboard Folio Keyboard for IPAD, can use the keyboard, not deterrent Pat Dad feels like a feature got out of sync and out. Imagine that will get a very peculiar to me because you on Iowa's fourteen on the IPAD. Yeah, and it's not fixed. It wasn't. That IPAD is on fourteen, and the MAC was on big, and it wasn't working I. Don't know because like the thing that is weird to me. Is I use screens by it over? And I can use my track pad and keyboard with that when using a back right. So that works, so it was just surprising to me that the apple solution a different products, but like that hadn't found a way to make that walk was very weird to me. I would then be over here and I'll be typing, but then I would need to go back over here. Too. Because for me because the product is in its keyboard case when I'm looking at that screen, I'm inclined to use the keyboard attached to it right like how I think right because I've already turned around looking at machine. Just. Use the keyboard and trying to transplant down, and that doesn't work, so they need to fix that super weird. But SIDECAR as a product. It's fantastic. That is a super super cool device like to use for the device. If you have both of them, really really awesome, I hadn't tried it before. Really love that, but yeah. Big Sur gets a big thumbs up from me. I'm I'm into it like I can see myself. Upgrading to. On Because, I mean there's a lot of stuff going on in their, which is which is interesting and useful, but. I actually want that version of MAC OS devices, which is not a thing that I felt for a while because there hasn't been anything enough to entice me. And then also have to deal with the problems. I may have to deal with. So you know, I'll give it a little bit of time to out. Most likely make sure everyone I know that uses the same kid. I is can get all this stuff done properly, but I expect the I'll be. Upgrading to a? Pretty soon. From release. Bold bold statement. It's a cool version of Mac os again. Does logic work on it I? Don't know I haven't tried I mean. Who can all right if you WANNA find links to the stuff. We spoke about head on over to the website relay DOT FM connected. Slash three Oh to while you're there. There's so much fun activities you can do. You can become a member of sport the show you'll get ad free episode and Pre and post content, which is a lot of fun. 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"Today's episode of the most useful podcast ever is brought to you by Liberty Mutual insurance. Do you like paying for coverage? You don't need? Of course, you don't Liberty Mutual customizes, your coverage. So you only pay for what you need checkout, Liberty Mutual, and see how much you could save on auto and home insurance, visit Liberty Mutual dot com. Slash podcast for a free customized, quote, state requirements, and policy terms and conditions apply. It's been kind of a crazy week for the staff here at popular mechanics. Roy's got a new renter moving at his rental property and has been running around like crazy trying to get the place cleaned up. Kevin has a boatload of bolt stuck in his Jeep. And poor automotive editor as dire is down in North Carolina where he lives and where he wrote out hurricane Florence, filing stories from a wifi enabled car before navigating around flooded roads, to deliver supplies to some harder hit areas. The good news is there's a lot to be learned from what's going on in our staffers realize right now, and everyone was willing to call or stop by the podcast doodo to give us their tips such as this one from technology editor, Alex, George, who tries out a lot of headphones. If you're getting a lot of interference in the sound in your wireless headphones, try moving your phone to your side pocket. Keeping your phone in your back pocket. Put your body between the sound source and the speakers, and it turns out the human body is a major source of electrical interference. As always, I'm your host Jacqueline Detweiler and you're listening to the most useful podcast ever. So ROY was talking to me the other day and told me the craziest story about just inventing his own cleaner. And the reason you're telling me the story is because you had attended move out of your rental property. Is that right? Scary. This cleaner was so strong. I stuck my hand in the bucket him took my sleeve off no serious. No. Send that very with a straight radio face. Radio says, you can't see it, but it's really straight string square. Martin here because also have a rental property accidental landlords. Peter. Just so that you know, I'm not like some sort of high rolling land. Not that there's anything wrong with being a high roller, but. Degrees ready to argue with you, but I, you know, I get caught with this house, the housing crunch and spin with me ever since I became a landlord. Sounds like the makings of a book. I became a landlord I read it. So when you're getting ready for attendant, what are the things that you have to do? Generally speaking, Roy's list is probably longer than my. I am very fussy as a landlord I want the property, right? I don't do this for my living in the house. Doesn't even fully cover all of its costs. Honestly, I just want it right. I want the tenant to be happy in there to the extent that the house can make a map. He right. I mean, happiness is their business, but as far as house concerned, I want it to be right clean, especially safe well painted in mechanically. Good repair the case of this house had took two years of our time work. It was like a part time job just about every weekend all the vacation time. I could muster everything else for two solid years. So yeah, when people move out Denson dings and need to be repaired, whole rooms needed to be repainted and a lot of cleaning. Well, you should tell us what you used your magic cleaner for tell us how to make a magic cleaner. But yeah, I mean, I may be out denies here. Maybe poisonous. Well, actually, most cleaners are somewhat poisonous cleaners, generally speaking. You don't want to put the stuff in a glass drinking, but what were you using it for? First of all? Well, I had so many different types of there was Greece over here and scuff marks on the wall over there and just general sort of greasy dust than grime, and they look like Cran marks and so forth, all different kinds of marks on the walls and here and there. And I was gone from one cleaner to an ice. Well, you know what? I need something stronger than off the shelf cleaner, and that's how it all started. And some of the walls had just been cleaned. They weren't painted or I was gonna clean them first and see how that held up, but others needed to be just cleaned before they were painted. You never wanna paint over a greasy film. That makes makes the paint this bond paint. Likes a nice clean while scratched dry surface. That's the foundation for good painting. Clean scratched with sandpaper, you know, a braided and non greasy. So that's key. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. But you also told me a story about you prepared your home for this cleaning by using good paint. Yeah, argument for buying expensive paint. Absolutely. One of the things I like the last step after all of the work was done on the house. The inside of that house was painted. I mean, really thoroughly painted and I used top notch quality. In this case, I used Benjamin and transparency. Benjamin weren't has been an advertiser. This, I don't know if you have to that transparent currently, but, but they should be again, podcast could sponsor. There are several brands of paint that I can vouch for Benjamin Moore is like at the top of the list, I am Benjamin, we're gang anyway. So I painted the entire inside of this house with Benjamin Moore, multiple coats, buried all the colors of thing else. The good news is for the walls really weren't wrecked. What after they were clean, look like brand new pain after yet, very scuff resistant. So to your point, Peter, even if you're a homeowner, you're not a high roller landlord like I am big shot in good paint. Don't buy the twenty dollar gallon stuff, invested good paint. It's cleanable in looks great, and you'll be happy with it over the long matter. His another like flat paint doesn't clean as well as like a. That's an interesting thing. I mean, today's flat paints are formulated to be tougher and cleanable they called scrub in the paint industry, and so they do make cleanable flats walls and ceilings. But you're. Correct. Jackie. Generally speaking, when you add gloss paint, you increase the clean abilities like varnish essentially also looks worse. I think paint looks not like a home shinier paints, have fallen at a fashion. And one of the reasons that they have is that they eliminate actually all the surface and professions of. There's only one way if you really want it to look nice and you're using gloss or glossier, let's put it that way. And the surface has to be perfect. Otherwise it's going to every little scratch and flaw and absence of good workmanship there. Any advice for just when you're saying that paint likes, dry, clean, scratched surface. If you are painting a rental apartment something, do you need to prepare the old walls of anything? Well, there's a number of stock things. I mean, paint stores sell a product t. s. p. which has try Sonian phosphate is just essentially like a water softener degreasers slightly alkaline dissolve into some more water and just basically scrub over the walls rents with a clean rag and clean water and let it air dry salons. You don't like soak the walls at air dries in your usually good with that. Rubs him sandpaper on it the way you would if you're putting. Drywall sanding pad whole that if the wall is glossy that you actually do need, they sell it for sanding drywall, and it's not that slow actually a big pad and some of them are circular. They kind of spend you kind of just work over the wall serves and scrub it down, but then you've got all the dust that, but in any case, yeah, there are rare instances in which somebody has used the high gloss paint, scuffed the whole thing, and then prime after you're done. So, okay, you've kept us in some pretty serious suspense here. What is the magic cleaner made of. All right. Here's what I did. I mean, I liked on dish deter Shen. It's very effective detergent and actually just mixing Nanan. Some warm water is pretty good cleaner, and it's right. It works pretty well. You can clean a lot of stuff just with that clean, those Doxa covered in oil. Such an effective advertising campaign actually used on. Yeah, to clean crude oil production. Yeah, it's very gentle CRA, clear docs. That'll clean your apartment. Yeah, it works. It works. Great. Now I added some windex to that. That's a Mony, aided. Desiigner standard small amount of alcohol in it and found that that's an extremely effective glass cleaner more effective than just windex. I think so. Yeah. I mean, I would have to actually, at this point, do some experiments in try it. I mean, and this is very rough and ready by the way five gallon bucket scored and some dawn pouring Gluck Gluck Gluck some windex and the rest hot water. You get this nice warm one scores, three gloves. Right? Actually before gloves and. Warm water, and you know what it works pretty well when I, here's the crazy part. So that took off just about everything I needed to, but there were some areas and I said, okay, windows rope in here, I got plenty of ventilation. I put in another Gluck Gluck Gluck and half a glove or maybe a full force glove on, oh three and a half to four gloves three and a half to four gloves of denatured alcohol, right out of the can right in there. Natured, alcohol anywhere, actually, home centers, hardware stores, paint stores, sell it. It says on camp. By the way you can tell you got the right stuff. It says, stow fuel. Yeah. So your overall recipe is scored done, dish soap, correct? Three to four gloves of windex. Right? Three to four gloves of stove, fuel, and then the rest water at three. Let's say three or four gallons. Warm. Water. Okay, great cleaner. I mean, it really cleans you. Wanna wear gloves of this. I'm guessing. Yes, you know what I water. Yeah, right. It took the sleeve off. It didn't take my sleeve off, took my skin off actually. Confirm that ROY does still have hands. Took the hair off Myers. Anyway, it worked at that stage. It took off anything that I put that cleaner to now can I bounce for safety. Generally, I mean, no, you don't wanna fool around being like mad chemist in your house, especially never ever ever mix, bleach and ammonia ammonium products or straight ammonia and bleach based products or a bleach containing products and there many of them out there. And so I'm not about the Gluck Gluck Gluck put some bleach into now. You've got a poisonous off gassing substance that you know. I mean, I did look at the MS DS for these products. Maybe a chemist will tell me that I'm wasting my time. All I can say is it wasn't anything it couldn't clean sped, the cleanup of paintbrushes and elect over stuff. That's the kind of thing I need is cleaner pay. Really? Yeah, believe me. This stuff does clean. So yeah, that's incredible. Definitely do not. I didn't know that ammonia was in wind because I was always like, I don't have to worry about mixing ammonia bleach because I don't use a Mon Mon. Where would even by, but yeah, now that I know that. Yeah. Well, it's an Mony, aided cleaner, and I think it contains a small amount of alcohol also. Okay. A lot of alcohol. I guess in this cleaning concoction that I made again, do not. On your plants. Kevin, I hear you have some stuck bolts have stuck bolts. I asked Kevin to come in here and talk about his stuck bolts, and I feel like the way to ask somebody that is with southern accent from the south. I, I could say that I did something really insensitive. Why are your bolt stuck? What bolts are stuck. Okay. So this is a story. So I have a Jeep Wrangler which talked about on here before my favorite possession. And I decided recently I wanna get a roof rack and GPS have a bunch of mounting points on the body that are designed to be places where you can put stuff and so they have exposed bolts. Like if you look at most cars outside of them, smooth. But on a, there's a bunch of plays exposed bullets. You can take off to mount stuff there. So there's like eight bolts that I have to take off and my car, the two thousand five. They've never come off before, so they've got what thirteen years of probably rest and just being stuck in one place. There's paint over them and it turns out the this stuff called Loctite. Chad, ask ROY about. On the inside which didn't have a really cool Super Bowl ad years ago, tight. I don't remember feel like he did. I don't know. Maybe I'll look it up, but his basic glue. You paint on the threads of something like a bowl. You really don't wanna come out someone, you screw it in it sets, but then now you're, there's like glue on the inside of these bolts. So they're really stuck there like really good and stuck on their the segment is going to be like the thing where Thomas Edison said, like why learned? Nine hundred ninety? Nine ways not to make an incandescent light bulb or something because I have just failed over and over. And the end of the story is I got two of eight out myself and the other six. I literally just yesterday had to take my Carter BodyShop guys. Can you get these out? But I did learn lots of things that will work if they're not thirteen years old with Loctite. Okay. So one of the things I learned from the mechanics, is that anything that's old and really stuck regardless? You're gonna want heat up. I, I actually tried to do this myself, which I'm sure my neighbors were really worried about what was happening on the street because I've been bought like a propane. Torch handheld torch from the we should point out that you live in Brooklyn and it street parking. So it's always doing this. Curb bought a propane torch and based what you wanna do you wanna heat and of right in the center of the bolt, the shaft absorbs light of the heat too. So the whole thing is getting hot, and I think just based what that does is like it can sort of break the crows loose because of thermal expansion. It causes the bolt shank and the head to expand and expand at different rates. So they're like anytime anything's really stuck, you want to heat it first. So you heat it. And what I heard was thirty seconds to maybe a minute, but a minute's like on the long end. Right. And then you go about trying to loosen it with whichever tool you're gonna use. We'll talk about next. The only thing I learned to talk to ROY, ROY had to look this up too, though. Is that heat is also specifically for Loctite. Like if it's a bolt where you can't get to the Loctite bolted through something, maybe you could squeeze oil in there. But for this, we're just into the body that also causes the Loctite to kind of get plastic again, LUSA smart. That's the first thing I learned. Okay. But learning that with short. Followed by the second thing I learned, which was that if he's a power tool in your bowl truly stuck, you're just going to tear up the head of it really easily. And this is why a few the bolts had to be taken out because he just sanded down the edges of it. Yeah, by actually. Now you got little round both. Yeah. So then the next thing I learned also from talking to ROY. The other thing is that you want to use something to unscrew it like an impact driver. That hammers also because center gave me an impact driver, but then I had the same problem which is that I think is just way too much torque because them and I went to the body shop. They're like hand tools only. So that was like the first grade tip was like heat. Everything I send tip was hand tools only. Okay. So you want something that you can like slowly crank with and then you can get a feel for if it's going to break really pushing it. Right. So then I went and I got a wrench that had an extendable handle so that you can adjust how much torque you're getting. And then I just broke the bitten half like it was just stuck inside one of the bowls. So that was a few more bolts that I couldn't get out. So this point you've got out none of them. So using the heat, I was able to get two of them out. Okay. So that was the. Yeah, and the problem was that once I got those two out, then I got so confident that I was like, oh, so the heat plus impact driver is great. And then I ended up tearing up the heads of two bolts. Yes. So everything is a problem. So talking to ROY, he also told me about one more thing which I hadn't used before, which is PB blaster which is the brand name. But basically it's called penetrating oil. So p blaster is designed to dissolve us. I think we actually tested it maybe a year ago where you can use it as a spray, but you can also just get it as liquid and a jug. And you port into a bucket and drop your rested parts into the bucket and you pull out like it sometime later. They also make spray version that has a very precise nozzle. So you can spray it like around the edges of the fastener and it has wyking it through wyking action it absorbed down. Yeah, yes. So I got really excited about that and then it didn't work. I totally understand this. Like anytime you're working on some sort of home project and you're like, this is going to be the thing this is it, and then it isn't. And then you're like, oh yeah, this is going to be the thing when like the fourth thing failed. I came inside. It was on Saturday, and it was a really beautiful day on Saturday, and that was just miserable. And I think I've ruined my girlfriend's day too because I was just so upset. I was like, I've spent all. All this time and money getting all these new tools and all have done is the situation worse because now they're all stuck, but think of all the stuff you learn did learn a lot. So ROY, give me like a electric impact driver, which was only kind I was mayor with, but there's also a manual version which is really cool, which has sort of the same mechanism, but looks like a screwdriver, but it's got a really hefty handle and you actually hammer it. And then when you hammer it, the cranking mechanism inside pushes twists. Oh, so you can imagine this, but that's really cool. Yeah, it's like a really heavy handle shaft with like a floating shaft inside. It allows it to kind of spring when I see. Yeah, yeah, I can imagine that. So that's kind of like the more delicate version of the electric impact driver and then what the body shop and doing. So I asked them actually went to two body shops because the first one was like, it's not worth it to me to do this job. Really? Yeah. No, we're not doing that. But the final solution which you could do at home if you had welding equipment, is that you weld nut to the top. Of the fastener. That's all screwed up. This is the case where you can't even get something into engage with try and turn it to the top of it, and then that bond is strong enough that you can put something on the nut around. Some kind of pry loose you really have to well the heck out of that then. Yeah. So that's what they end up doing. Well, how much does that cost? I don't wanna say. Company was like, this feels like such rip off getting charge this, but because I already got rejected by one I've spent so much time and money. I understand. They're doing me a favor. Another charge me a lot. I don't think there's a fast way to do it because I think what they did is they tried the things I tried first to see if any of the bolts they could still get a bit inside or whatever they anything sort of went through the same process. I did just with better equipment and more experience. They wouldn't do stupid things. But it's kind of like now this place like my shop because even though it costs a lot, I think they really actually. Yeah, they're nice about it and they didn't call me an idiot, which I'm sure they were thinking like, well, if you hadn't screwed up all six that you didn't get out, it would be for us, but hey, that's the way to get a customer at their. Don't call them an idiot. Yeah, let them learn themselves that they're. Yeah, they're stuck bolts. That's awesome. I actually, while we were talking looked it up over here, the Loctite Super Bowl ad is thing. Is it really what was it? It was like people sitting on each other's laps. It was like a dance. I do not remember this at all. I guess it's for Loctite super glue, which. It's the same. Okay. Look that up listeners because I remember it being funny. People were like, what is this is a super glue. It was funny. This episode of the most useful podcast ever is brought to you by simple contacts. I don't really understand what simple contacts are or contacts are. Actually, I have never used them. You don't wear glasses or contact do not. 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It was afraid to get on the WI fi and bluetooth and everything. So would love to know what you have learned about black hat? Yes. So for those who don't know, black hat hacking is like, actually, I didn't know this. It comes from old spaghetti westerns where like the good guys where white hats and the bags were blackouts. He also Westworld HBO fishing indeed. So black hat hackers are hackers who are hacking basically just for malice for mischief or for personal gain. So they're trying to break into systems. They either want to steal money straight up. Hold things ransom like the. I don't know if you remember this was last, may the wannacry ransom where that I think we got some sort of Email just from like ARD company being please stay calm and like. Like don't open links from people. You don't know it mostly targeted window systems, but it was a big deal. It was like worldwide. And I remember the NHS in the UK got hit very hard until like in the hospitals, the programs that they use to keep track patients and things like blood refrigerators. Like all these things were sort of being held hostage by these hackers. This is before bitcoin was like a huge, huge thing, but they were demanding payment, genetic untraceable, right? So they do that kind of thing. Last year globally. People lost one hundred seventy two billion dollars so much money to hacking and other cybercrimes very creative to be obliged can be very lucrative. Interestingly white hat hacking can also be very lucrative so that as you can sort of tell by the color scheme, the Whitehead hackers are the good guys. And so sometimes tech companies will sort of invite people with these skills in to test their system for the call penetration testing to test the system for weaknesses. And basically it's sort of a bounty, like if you find a weakness, you get. Paid depending on like how big that weakness wasn't like Harris could have been to to still have up, so should almost fake being a black hat and be like, just kidding. Can you hide like invincible. The good side of people do that they do and twenty sixteen Google alone spent the re million dollars, I think, yeah, they paid over three million dollars to white hat hackers. Wow. Which you think about in terms of investment that totally make sense if the flip side of that is like having stuff held hostage and also losing credibility, I'm sure. And then there are also gray had hackers which are. Blend of good advantage. Call it a checker hat hacker. I mean t- blended. The only thing I'm picturing fidora's which is. I was featuring wizard hats, but that's better. Gandalf the grey? Yeah, they'll do sort of the same thing as white hackers, but they won't ask permission. I agree. I had a hacker might sort of get into someone's system and they'd be like, hey, you have a problem pay, or I might just tell the world. It's kind of like black Maili a little bit. Obviously, you know, these people, I'm sure there are all sorts of different ways of packing that I did not come across hackers, probably beige hat the most boring. Boring, boring? Yeah. So those are the hats like it. And that's been black hat back. As has. Hey, it's Jackie and Eleanor. How are you. This because I just got my internet back now just now just now while like an hour ago, go after a wink of not having it. So I've been checking my Email like out of the truck, but I'm driving that as five. We Detroit has wifi. Yeah, the new era. To trust and logging on every now and then checking my Email, not normal. So listeners who don't recognize as retires voice, this is our automotive editor Dyer, who lives in North Carolina and was recently in the middle of a hurricane, where exactly is your house? Like how far are you from where it really hit two hours from the coat. But the problem is that you get rained on and there are a lot of trees and power. And fortunately I'm not here any of the river, but this one is turning out the same as Matthew and that the coast was relatively. Okay. Bats, more prepared for hurricanes, and then the inland areas are in trouble because all the rivers back up and get flooded. In this case, it was like thirty five inches of rain, though arcane kind of long gone. It's not like Weather Channel anymore, but things are still flooding really badly there. Like I mean, I ninety five is still really so yeah. Around where you live, did you get a lot of trees down what happened? Yeah, around I ant tropical storm win combined with lots of rain and tons of trees though. He lost power at seven AM on Friday and got it back couple basic- I think we had no power for four days, but I mean, we woke up in the morning and her transformers exploded, and it was just like, well, that's it. We're not gonna have have awhile. That's gonna come out and fix part of these, and I wanted to call you is we were having a meeting the other day. I think it was your editor, Alex said something about AS Roma's using wifi out of his truck and living off of a generator, and everything's crazy down there. And I was like, that sounds mountain, Manny? So talk to me about the generator. What did you do to deal with? Not having power. And what have you been doing the past few days generators wasn't things that you always think about that? Right when you want everybody else's. Thinking about getting. Can ever get your hands on after. Generator, and then you. That's always been my or harassment. By this time, it was enough warning. The thing that I was able to one with Honda and then you make some fine generators. One. But already there were no generator here, and they actually went and got a couple of generators out of their warehouse in Atlanta. And then I was driving last week that also came out Atlanta's though they who's the truck and drove them up here and I wanted my sister had when it was just a little onto view twenty two hundred. I and it looks like an enlarged toaster basically, or small suitcase. And you think this thing is gonna power or anything that I and actually, yes, basically your house other Mike big, a. I thought they were much bigger than that me too. Well, most of them are funny. Like I have a neighbor generator going, and he has his seven thousand watts in his backyard, just making tons of noise and he was doing the same thing with it. Then I was before joining and power in lamps, refrigerator TV like you can watch Netflix, but I thought up on he and the other key purchased. I went to best buy, got the hard drive Hooper Nintendo that has seven, Hugh games on a smart of the kids who were introduced to Mario brothers Mario world and had plenty of time to play that because there was a whole lot to do for a few days. Sounds like a really prepared hurricane, like actually really fun hurricane. There is one reported. We've had some fun hurricanes. It's fun for a few days. It's like a snowstorm. Novel, but then after like four days and you're like, okay, I'm ready. If actor minority routine here. My only diffic- on this generator. It was quiet. It was fish in it ran every four minutes run, but they only like a gallon of death, which would run it overnight pretty much, but I was still having you anything Zayed's like wake up at five in the morning, like generally are gonna go off, then our fans go off and then we'll be hot. So I ended up doing overnight refuelings a couple of times. But then after I wrote about it on the website, at least one reader treated Abney that, oh, there's this extra gas tank can get anything hot rod. It will run for like three days on one Philip. Aleph at Honda person told me when behind people weren't modifying it. Yes, the generator was the item. Do you have to keep it up high? Like I mean, if it's raining and what did you put it on in or just like set it outside covered port, the front of my house. So I had outside. This is one of the things that's the trick about generators. You're usually them when it's raining and do not. Wanna have well a, it's an engine out there. He also I voted so you wanna have it not out in the rent. You also can't have it inside because if an engine and people poison themselves carbon monoxide every single time that storm, I was super paranoid about the carbon dioxide issue. Even though I had it outside, I had the Corean through window and then like a towel shut down the cord. And then I ran another court back through the window and plug in a carbon monoxide sector because I have the fear put in the enough about that that you when I was going to bet on my b, wait a minute my bed, or am I speaking because I'm getting poisoned. That's smart. Yeah, very smart to do that. Well, this sounds like a brilliant idea for future hurricanes watcher carbon monoxide, but otherwise, dues, whatever was doing. Yeah. Yeah. Got a Trump with wifi. Will your kids trying to get in there with you to get some internet man. No, that was. I think I made up some kind of a little bit internet but not enough. Easy way to control screen time. Yeah, but we're all pretty much normal now where I am as are doing our south with fingers, go crazy in school was canceled indefinitely for those is. Down there tomorrow over out of driving now, and we're gonna do bunch of lies Naff of MAC. The remember I can find need, which I'm sure is going to be everybody. I looked on the county website and it's not like batteries and storms replies, it's more like everyday stuff because they've got people in shelters. So clean underwear and rushes spray and things like that stuff. I've got their shopping list. I'm gonna go to WalMart. Well, down on a while. Go do that tomorrow and the when I can go every road is closed. Bad. I mean, I would on the North Carolina Yuki website and it's covered in these little yellow icons that mean the routers close and you click on like extreme flooding, wrote his father, bridge washed out. I'm not gonna do anything crazy like that, but I'm gonna put my way around and then finds out who might be some. Do you remember from Matthew how long it took for things to get back to normal in those areas. So I feel like resent we a month before things were assembling like Lumberton with the hardest place. I mean, it takes a while even just for the water away after that. I mean, they were still working on fixing things now happened, right? It's awesome. Bringing them supplies and good luck. God speed and please be safe as you're doing. That will be a bit where. I thought about throwing a kayak in the back of the track when I was like now there's probably like we're stuff in that water. I'm sure there is all I heard about Houston was that there were snakes everywhere. So watch out for that. Oh, there's may. Out of hot farm excrement. Would you. Into the water that's been happening, and then there's chemical plants, the Superfund sites, then the coal ash business exploded out into the water. Yeah, I'm gonna try to stay out of the water. Otherwise I can't wise choice and very good of you. Thanks for calling. All right. I'll talk to you guys later. For today, we're going to talk about something that is very near and dear to Alex Georgia's heart, the MAC operating system, so dear to my heart, it's new. So this is coming out later in the week. So it's not actually today if you're listening to it, but it's today in podcast land that Matt came out with a new operating system. Is that correct? So so that means all update sometime probably ten months now. This would be good to talk about because this won't be me imploring you and whoever else he's like me. So both their phones and their desktops are going to update with new for for phones and pads. It's Iowa, twelve, and for computers, it's MAC OS called Mojave Mojave fancy wait. Why do they name the IOS and not the operating system? Didn't they used to name the opportunism. The operate system has gone. They had for while it was all cats. Yeah. Why. And all that. And they started going with specific locations like Yosemite, capitain enlists Mojave now. I see. Sorry, the operating system Mojave, but the IRS is just give it twelve for the Mojave. It's the same Ruina will be more fun. Just started both did something really ridiculous. Like categories of, it'd be like. Nuclear's. Yeah. Seeing like biologicals weird, weird, criolla colors or something. But when I was in graduate school, actually, they named. So you have these big server farms, kind of that our whole bunch of different computers hold on your data. If you do stuff like MRI and we had one that was all dead scientists that was one of them. And then one of the other ones was all DJ's. Nine thousand nine hundred New York City. Yeah, that's pretty great. So apart from the name, what's cool about this thing? Couple of things I think will make a difference for pretty much everybody start with my holidays. This is for MAC, laptops and desktops to actually that was worth mentioning. I, it seems like they're a couple scandals where people were like, okay, apples making old phone slower, making their batteries, less efficient, right to try and compel you to upgrade. Generally not true phones of really complicated and all these devices are complicated. But in general, every update is bigger for security addressing like malware, stuff like that. That might come through. We talked earlier about black hats. So grey hats who all the colors of hats who find all the problems and openings and tell companies like apple Bennett. Yeah. So white hats, helping apple all these different companies guard against these kinds of things. But besides that one major went, so if you know anybody who has like crazy, messy desktop on the macro, like people just dump everything on it stresses me out so much kills me. So this new futures called stacks. So what you do is you when you turn on everything on your desktop gets organized into images, PDF's folders or whatever. So you get like maybe five or six piles of things that you can just navigate through their takes everything from being just scattered everywhere that for you? Correct? Yeah. And do you choose to let it do that for you, or does it just do that? You can turn it off and you can tell if you want to buy filed last updated Sophos updates. Now. Settings or something. Yeah, you go to across when you're on the finder like you just looking at your out those things across the top. You'll find a tab for where you can check a box that says, you stacks, okay, organize into stacks. So they'll take care of that. The other small item to which I think is kind of hope happens Moore's the default desktop picture for it. How does really killer like stock art for their background paper one for this is this like ridge in the Mojave desert as the day goes on, like sun changes position in like shadows change. It looks like it's actually progressing the day. It's complete novelty, but I think that's kind of does the light change. Channels with the time of the day. Okay. Because that's good. We'll talk about this on a future podcast, but I'm doing a story about circadian rhythms and how light is it's very important. So for tiger for suffered their circadian rhythm to get that shot up for days all day, twenty hours. Speaking of that, actually maybe of relevance to there's a most famous one features, dark mode. So everything that was like silver white will be kind of muted and more stealthy looking is that. It's always that way or you choose that you can turn on or off as you like, but default it will be on. Yeah, it's kind of same way. If you want to YouTube, you can choose a dark mode which makes it of black text on white background. It'll be black, Texan on the white background without like inverting all the colors. It just makes everything kinda quieter, and I think it's more pleasant to invert my colors which you can do on your phone right whenever I would look at it in the middle of the night, and it actually does keep you from waking up more fully. Definitely not that you should look at us nuts phone at all in the middle of the night, but should you do it in very colors? Yeah. So for the iphone, the reason the grade for that one, one major one is everybody's been complaining about how apple notifications. Like if you're ever in a group tax you ever get like there's a notification for every single person who chimed in. Yes, so it does even what makes me crazy about that. It'll be like such. So like this, such and so wrote, ha ha right that such as and I'm just like, no, I don't care. And then you think you've got ten text messages and you don't. It's just everyone liked somebody. Else's. It's stressful yet is stressful. I drew Texas Tech's twenty-six people, and it stresses me. This one does something like that stacks thing. I mentioned where if it's all coming from one group tax or one person, so they send you like five messages and close accession. When you open your phone to see your notifications l. just show they'll be one little chunk says like this man, you messages from this person, so you can actually look down, see all of the other one that I get asked us law. Why doesn't acts work with this or why? So Google maps. So if you plugged in your phone to a car and used carplay, which is where you know, you makes your par- infotainment system look like an iphone basically. Yeah, you would have to use apple maps because apple to use their map right with twelve. You can now use Google maps and you can use as of earlier today ways you can use that on there. So you can use that on your car and it looks awesome. It makes it everything the way you navigate around put in new commands. All that it looks so much better. I was like, okay, that's kind of cool. If they concede in let you use, whichever one you actually wanna use. That sounds great. How is that related to the operating system? Because it seems like that should be the car right? Car plays quietly pretty cool thing where if you've used a gun in new modern car, even real expensive ones too, it's a real pain navigate between coffee navigation or change the all round toggle Button's Ray just use a touchscreen. Why don't understand why car screens are always like three or four, ten years behind apple technology because they generally design cars three to five years before they actually out. So they really? Yeah. No, I had to somebody had to explicitly tell me that was like, why is this? So annoying to us. Yeah, but car plays awesome. Android out of his. It's almost has good, but it makes it so much simpler in the fact that you can just use more apps with it. Now, Spotify apple, music, all that actually built into the car nose running off of your phone. That's how it does. Okay. Okay. Cool. So as at all that we're getting with our that and numerous, the only thing about the iphone one is every person talked to who's installed him like an older iphone. It's noticeable appreciable upgrade and how fast? Yeah, a whole bunch of stuff going on under the hood that take a long time to get into. But I think that it's benefit every person knows installed it. I guess I'd better do that. We normally end segment by saying, would you buy it? But of course you don't have to buy this and you have probably already done it. So it's free. It's free. So would I do it? I'm actually gonna go do it. I'm always the person that never it's like three weeks later. It's like we update your students. From just like, come on. It's like, come on really. I'm going to. That's our show y'all. The most useful podcast ever is produced by the staff of popular mechanics edited by brand casters Inc at WWW dot brand, casting you dot com. We'd like to thank patina worship. 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287: 20 Grand Wang

Grumpy Old Geeks

1:01:24 hr | 2 years ago

287: 20 Grand Wang

"This episode of grumpy, all geeks is brought to you by the new Eero and Eero beacon for free overnight shipping to the US or Canada go to Eero dot com. That's e. e. r. dot com. Select overnight shipping and use the code. Geo g. to make it free. Grumpy old geeks, a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Chiu Meister Jason Filipo discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet and who's to blame. Welcome to grumpy old gigs. I'm Jason Filipo and I'm Brian chill Meister Brian. I had something happened to me this week that just made me giddy as can be, okay, let's see if I can ruin it. I'm sure you will. So you know the Jordan harbinger show, which I am part of is on podcast one and they have house ads that they run on other shows. Yes. And I was sitting in bed the other night, like eleven o'clock. Just listen to my podcast is I'm going off to sleep and then I, I'm listening to Penn Sunday school and there comes a house add further Jordan, Harvard, your show, which I've heard on there many times before, but my name was on there. So I got to hear pen even say my name and kind of screw it up, but it was fun. It was very fun. So that was that was a bucket list item for me. I listen to Penn Sunday school for the first time in ages just to hear him, say your name. So congratulations, Jason. Thank you. Thank you. I will play the clip right now. You know, if you like my show, you're gonna love the Jordan harbinger show on podcast. One also pronounced podcastone. Along with man, Jason Defilipo to foot develop. Filippo Filippo Felipo Jordan taps either the wisdom of the world's top performers for intelligent operative to legendary musicians. Iconoclastic writers to visionary change makers to teach you the strategies insights into most successful to use in your everyday life. Check out the Jordan harbinger show every week on podcast one wherever else you favorite podcasts clip played moving on. Okay. Little follow up on the. California. Oh my God. Oh, I have to say I am very proud to be a Californian right now. I will sticking with that. But yes, they the net neutrality law that Jerry Brown signed in immediately the entire broadband industries sued California. I wonder why. Yeah. Oh, I've got an interest have in stopping that. Show your true colors much. Yeah. I think it's a pretty good sign that when the entire broadband industry is suing you, you're doing something that's probably pretty good for people. Exactly. Yeah. So I have a feeling we're going to lose by me too. But we're fighting the good fight. Right? Somebody's gotta somebody's gotta. Somebody has to. I agree. So we're going to follow this for sure, because this is a California's, the only people only nobody's doing anything else. No one. Just California, that's it. Yep. Yeah. Well, we're big enough where we can. That's true and all the all the people are here. So what I'm interested in seeing is the big content platforms and what side they're gonna fall on. Fortunately, I have a feeling it's not going to be the one that we'd like, but it would be nice if at Twitter or a Facebook or Google came out and said, hey, we're, we're done with this. I think they would be. I would say they would be, but I've been wrong before. As a two hundred and eighty six episodes of the show. So I'll show us. We're often wrong about these sorts of things because because believe it or not, we have a small kernel heart of optimism. Yeah, I mean, we're right about a lot of things, but some of these big ones. Yeah, I we forget that there are people with a lot of power in a lot of money out there. I'll tell you a good predictor of every time we're wrong. It's when we're optimistic, then we're wrong. Yeah, when we really, really want something to happen then usually, yeah. So we talked a little bit about Elon Musk and tesla and the the was at the FCC now the SEC's punishment of him. And I said that I thought this was actually a good thing, and a lot of people seem to agree what was intended to be a punishment of a rogue executive who's rash, tweets has misled investors might turn out to be the best thing to happen to electric car company in some time. Yep. Tesla watchers have been calling for an adult in the room to help oversee the company's operations and serve as a check on must power. Now that of course will happen. He has it at SpaceX, their COO who runs the company, and he basically just a, you know, stays away and as somebody else runs the day-to-day operations, not so with tesla, he's we've heard stories about him being a micro manager on the factory floor, and he just cannot stop messing around with it. But now he's going to have to be stepping down. So this is going to be a good thing for tesla as many people are pointing out and I bought more stock, of course, you have. Yes. And this is an interesting one. So you know, AMC rolled out there movie pass competitor because they owned the theaters and they can say, go, screw yourself movie pass, which is what the movie passes now turning on people's accounts without their permission. Well, so AMC had a goal of five hundred thousand subscribers for the first year. They got four hundred thousand in the first fourteen weeks. Okay. That's not bad. That's not bad. No, not at all. And here's how the finances are going to work on this for them just like hit did for movie pass. Well, it's twenty bucks a week, so it didn't go see up to three movies. You can see the same movie three times in one day, even but three movies a week. Okay. For twenty bucks, right. Yeah. Which is the time to do that. I don't know. Apparently four hundred thousand people do I guess so now. So this is a much steeper price, right? Because this is basically twenty bucks per week as opposed to twenty bucks a month or whatever. Yeah, I didn't look into all of the different pricing options. I think this is the top tier pricing option, right? So, but still sweats bad ever pay? Yeah. Yeah. Considering see one movie at every three months that would not work out financially for me now. Definitely not. I'm actually going to open it up and see what the. No, I don't want you. You're not gonna get my location. Sorry. No, I don't wanna tour of your fucking website. Where is the club? Where can you sign up for the club amps note no programming and see stubs offers and promotions. I think you should just leave the sin about how difficult is defined. Okay, I take that back the article that I was looking at said, nineteen ninety-five a week, but it is nineteen ninety-five a month. Okay, so it's the same pricing structure. Yep. See up to three movies every week and you get free popcorn, refills Nokia. Well, you can get very fat. Yeah, seriously, because you I mean if you're sitting at a movie theater for six hours a day, eating as much popcorn as you can eat. This sounds awesome America. In the news. I got a weird sex from the government yesterday. How about you? I did too. Yeah, that's scared the crap out of me actually. 'cause I stupidly, I did not. I I'd seen some of the news articles that was coming, but I just didn't pay attention. So it shocked me a little bit, but there was a lot of outrage. Yeah, I don't know why this is actually a fine thing. This is a good thing. We should have the sort of technological advancement taking place to warn us about emergencies and different things is not like the, it's not connected to fuck and Trump's phone people, there are lots of channels that you have to go through to get this done. This is started with President, Bush Obama, kept it going. So it's just happened to roll out while we have the tweeter and chief in office, sadly. But this is a very good thing. So everybody calm the f. down. Yeah, it's not like a Twitter replacement for Trump, you know, can you imagine though Hel mazing would that be actually, oh my God. The first the first thing he would do is like just completely troll. Everybody. It's like. Shootin coming duck. So would actually the first one would be butter emails, butter emails? Yes, it's not a mushroom. Oh, yeah. So it's no big deal. Everybody relax. It's, I'm glad that we have it. Now. I found a really interesting article over on slate called y. I'm worried about Google and at really does talk about a lot of the things that we've talked about and the article goes over many of its missteps recently and how it says scaled back. Its don't be evil to basically we're going to be evil. And basically the sky is stating, I'm moving away from the Google ecosystem as much as I can because I don't like the way this company is going. It's obvious they're not trying to fix it and and they could. They could make good usable products to strike a balance between privacy and profit. They're just choosing not to, okay. I'm sticking with them because it just makes my life easier. Yeah. Well, you're not that into the Google ecosystem though. I mean, use Google as a search engine and use g mail, but that's about it really well. It's a little more than that. I use g. suite for all my docs, my storage I use, I, I'm pretty heavily invested in the Google. Ecosystem. Okay. With some of the companies I work for it, it really is, you know, all the privacy crap aside. It is actually a pretty good service. I mean, very good service. Yeah, everything that they do works pretty well. The privacy issues are troublesome, but it all does work. Yeah. I mean, we moved over from dropbox to g drive for Jordan show, and it has been blissful. It's been amazing because when you have a business account with more than five users, you get you literally get unlimited storage. If you has less than five users, you only get a mere terabyte per user. So I can put all my show files up there and not have to worry about, you know, the house burning down or the drives failing or things like that in everybody has access to it. So it eliminates the beer truck problem and it, it's really, and it's not that expensive. It's only like ten bucks per user per month which you know in the grand scheme of things for an enterprise product is not bad. But yeah, there's that whole. All evil thing. There is evil aspect. Yes. Yeah. Because it also you have to think about where do you separate Google from alpha bet. Yeah, because their their their separate identities now in that's just for now. That's just tax Kary. Yeah, and yeah, that and trying to get away from, you know, monopolies in things like this while still being a monopoly best, you'll being a monopoly. Exactly. Okay. But we're many companies. Yeah. Yeah, fun. When we were first getting into all the crypto currency stuff primarily just to make fun of, I signed up with coin base because they were one of the first apps out there that made it easy to trade in bitcoin and light coin in some of the other mid theory of the big ones at the time. Yep. Can you believe that Quyen bases financing, a deal are finalizing a deal right now. That's gonna value. The company at eight billion dollars. I cannot. I cannot. Yeah, leave -able. What are their revenues? I wanna see. They make the money on every order. So yeah, I guess a lot of people are still stupidly trading Kerr, bitcoin bitcoin. I don't. I don't get why. But you know, I just an eight billion dollar company based on nothing based on nothing as is where we're at now. I mean, it's yeah, it's a trading platform for nothing, but you know, some Bros. made a lot of money on it. That's right. Bitcoin rose are happy. And there's also the sunk cost fallacy where a lot of people basically spent their house in their mortgage and they're just waiting for it to rebound while they're while they're wife has left them. Children are going hungry and Shula's, but hey, guys, I get to watch six hours of movies a day and get free popcorn, popcorn, popcorn on the blockchain. That's what we're going to get. Next speaking, speaking of bitcoin, there's a great story and BuzzFeed news called how a hapless bitcoin entrepreneur got swept up in the crypto craze and started a multimillion dollar puns e scheme. So basically everyone though this guy was like robbing Peter to pay Paul like all Ponzi schemes and finally got shut down. But here's the thing since there's no regulation, he doesn't really have to pay anybody back, right? Doesn't that suck for a lot of people. Yeah, regulation, bad. Not people work like barely doing any due diligence. I'm sending sending him tons of bitcoin and his plans, his great plans for minors like to invest them in miners, and you know, build it all up yet didn't really work out. Yeah. So poor Canadian guy. Well. We've talked about Uber and the various studies about what the drivers actually make. There was a study a while back that said that they, you know, they average salary or something for year would be less than twenty thousand dollars or whatever. And then Uber came back and said, surely that's not true and funded their own study. Shockingly that showed that they make more money than that. But another third party study is now come out and basically it averages out to the median hourly pay with tip for Uber drivers is fourteen dollars and seventy three cents. All right, you back out vehicle expenses and all your personal costs and the fact that you do not an employee. So you have to take care of your own healthcare and all that sort of stuff. It is significantly less than ten dollars an hour. You would make more money working at an Amazon warehouse? Yes, he would actually, you would make quite a bit more because, yeah, he brings it down to nine dollars and seventy three cents an hour. Yep. And potentially much less. That's if you're actually working forty hours a week. Yep. Below the poverty threshold. Yes. Well, done over. I totally believe you well then get get Bernie on the stumper. He has stopped Uber Bill. So the super super Bill. I, I am waiting for some smart politician to realize this gig economy stuff is a bit of a sham and start looking into it. So some Bernie get on that. Yeah, he's too busy taking Zuber to work. Now somebody he doesn't have to worry about for much longer as Snapchat. Yes, snap stock fell more than six point, five percent on Thursday to an all time. Low after two analysts cut their target on Snapchat to seven dollars a share. It's now trading below eight dollars in his plunged more than forty five percent this year alone. I would like to point out that when snap went public, I said, no way in hell. Should anybody ever by this Amit? Yes. So sometimes we are right in on the things that we think are stupid. So we're not optimistic about snap. No, we were not ended. Although we did say the same thing about Facebook and look how that turned out. Now I actually have some Facebook stock which I need to divest because it's rid of that shit and I'm just lazy. Yeah, it's a click. It's a click bro. I know it's a click bro. The last goodbye paths shuts its doors. And when I got this Email from path, I was like, wait, you're still here. Still around. Okay, I didn't. I didn't realize it was still a going concern. I thought they were just doing t shirts. Aloe. Yeah. 'cause I got it a while ago and I logged in and it was of course nobody there and I was just like, oh yeah, everybody's gone. So now we know what happens when your social network goes away, so they are going to be basically killing it on November fifteenth. And no, that will not live in infamy. Yeah. Well, actually, termination of services, October eighteenth. So in thirteen days from this recording, they will be done and path related customer service will be closed on November, fifteenth. Now why you need? Why would you keep your reserves going? Yeah, a connotes to myself on the nineteenth direct customer service asking how I can set up an account because to get going on path. Yeah, it's like what the that makes no sense. You already can't download it that you can't download the more. It's it's pulled from. I tunes and Google play. So sorry, bro. I'm sure there's some legacy install somewhere I can find. That's probably been packed. 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We're back this week with Dave bittner from the cyber wire podcast. This iber wire is a free community driven cybersecurity news service based in Maryland. Dave is also the co host of the new hacking humans, podcasts along with Joe Kerrigan where they take on social engineering. So Dave, anything new happen. This way is a slow week, flu. Nothing. Nothing at all. No, we'll get to this. It's not very often that you have things that can truly be labeled as being bombshells, but there was definitely a bombshell dropped this week which which will get to at a couple of things I wanted to get to. I though had some follow up on that story. We covered a couple of weeks ago. I think it was about the black view dash cams, yes. Member listeners sent in his, he made a YouTube video about the lack of security with these black, you dash cams they were by default sharing the live video feed from your dash Cam, as well as your. Location online for anyone to be able to see all the time. This, of course is not good. So this gentleman had reported this to black view and had heard nothing and heard nothing. Of course, it got some attention from us and from some others and black view did finally respond on Twitter and they said, Hello, all where everybody does nowadays. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Hello. All we understand your concerns and want to do the right thing. We will set every user settings to private on the server, mid October, an update the app to communicate on this as well as set every sharing feature to private by default for newly registered dash cams. Thanks. So I guess this gets filed under better late than never. Yes. You're being tagged left right in the center on the responses to this, which are, why are we waiting until mid October, right, exactly, right. Yeah, I 'cause we're in bar beta spending all the money and we're never going to touch this company again. Yeah. So I don't know. I, I'm not sure what to make of this. If if. They were in the market for dash Cam. I think this would not black you off my list. Certainly that got you. Think. I know I'm so good understatement. Yeah, that it got to this point at all just a little to to having to be publicly shamed to do. The right thing is is a little ridiculous and his grand clearly pointed out they, this was first brought to their attention back in April now. So they've had plenty of time and it just seemed like as so often is the case the the buzz had to get loud enough online enough. People had to talk about it where they couldn't pretend not to hear it anymore. So right until the internet outrage, machine gets gets us engine warmed up. Nobody listens anymore. That's right. That's right. We had another story this week about the feds, forcing someone to unlock an apple iphone with their face. I think when it you gentlemen, put this in here. Yes, I put it in here, which was an interesting story. What did you guys think about it? Well, going to put a lot of Israel security companies out of business. I well, first of all, this is not surprising. No, we've talked about before how you are the way that the US law works right now. You are allowed to keep a password secret, but you're not allowed to use something some any of your biometrics? Yes, yes, exactly. Any of your physicality, your biometrics cannot be kept secret. So before we had face ide- with touch ID, people could use the police could force you to unlock your phone with your touch ID in remember, we had stories about them using dead bodies to unlock things using touch ID. I suppose it's interesting question. I wonder if a dead body would work on face ide- because it's my understanding that one of the components of face ideas that it looks for movement in your is then seen one of the things that checks off to make sure you're not a three d. model of yourself or something. You know, I thought it tests. For heat too. So maybe give him give him a hot towel, open his eyeballs up, shake his head while you're in front of the phone, they never failed to get incredibly morbid. The lucky intern at the morgue. Hey, it's it's Bob's first day. Remember other duties as assigned the the sheriff's come in by noon and we've got a special job for you. Yeah. Shake vigorously. So if you are someone who really is concerned about this, don't use face. Ide-, don't use touch ID the in between work around is that I think if you hit the side button on your iphone, I think it's five times in a row. It'll automatically put it into a mode where neither of those will work and you have to put the past code in to unlock. Right. So that sort of your middle ground there when it comes to that in the interesting thing about this one was they let it go too long, so they couldn't actually like hook it up any forensic devices. So they were just like taking pictures of what they saw on the phone. To, you know, for evidence because and then it finally locked up again, and then it required a pass code and they couldn't get back into it because I guess they'd hold the guy off to the who's cow so, but I guess they could just go down there with their Israeli gear and plug it in and say, hey, look at, look at here, Joe and open it back up and then get all the stuff off of it, but that probably would take a court order, right? Yep. But you know, it's one of those things where you it's it's coming. It's this did not surprise me at all. This is just happened to be the first, you know, first case where it actually happened and found out about it. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's on its way now before we go into the big news, I put this in here because you guys are two or Star Wars nerds, and I figured this out of bounds for the segment. But since I know you guys like your Star Wars, I wanted to first of all. First of all, Star Wars is not out of bounds. For any segment. There is the conversation that cannot be made better, but some wars wars. So so price has been proven who see proceed John favelas new Star Wars TV show has a title in it's called the men DeLorean. Did you guys check it out yet? The the story about very impressive artwork. We don't know much about the story yet. I think it'll be interesting that other than solo, this will be the first non Skywalker movie. In theory, we don't really know the time period of yet now now now now there was that he walks movie. Oh, true. And this is this is not a movie. It's a TV show on the new Disney streaming network. So you have to pay for that one to Sweden, Sweden. Yeah. Well, did you watch Star Wars rebels? I did. Yeah, I enjoyed that. I thought that was worthy addition to to the Star Wars canon. So. Yeah, or as well. Yeah, it's very impressive artwork. It looks great. I would like to have this for my Halloween costume already. Yeah, I'm wondering, are a friend of mine brought this up? Are we reaching a point where because there's so much Star Wars to be had that that's taking some of the specialness away from Star Wars. Oh, yes. I think that's partially part of Disney's move in not rolling out a movie. Every single year now is is they realized that we've hit peak Star Wars, and it's no longer a singular special event. Now, the interesting thing about this helmet on the the new guy, I swear if you made red light go across his is he's a Ceylon Ceylon helmet, right? Right. Somebody get on that. I. Yeah, yeah, by your command. Cool. Pretty cool lookin'. Yeah, so I'll definitely check it out. All right, let's let's get. Let's there's an elephant in the room. In my room for sure, and probably Eram as well, Jason. Yeah, I think I, I literally have some of these devices sitting around now, so let's us. Let's see how worried I need to be. Do you really all right. Yeah. All right. So the big bombshell, they dropped this week. Is this a story from Bloomberg business week? It's called the big hack how China used a tiny chip to infiltrate US companies and the long and the short of it is that Bloomberg found seventeen people who are corroborating this story, none of them on the record. None of them named which will get to a moment the how that could be problematic. But basically what they're saying is that these motherboards of servers be manufactured in China somewhere in the supply chain process. There was an extra ship added to the motherboard, and this chip would be used to provide access to the motherboard a back door. If you will. I, it's, it's been complicated because of course, all the speculation has has started to spin now, is that how could this actually work? How would it work. Is this plausible? Is this the best way to do this? But the long and short of it is that if this is true, this is a big deal that servers used by some of the biggest companies in the world folks like apple and Amazon. They mentioned having these servers on US warships so could be a an issue of national security. If the, if the Chinese have in fact been able to infiltrate these servers to get data off of them. So my question is if there are so many of these servers that are out there, how come somebody can't show us a chip. Well, you can bet. And I mean, this story broke, what in the past couple of days, so you can bet that is what's going on right now as people are are looking around as much as possible. Now I put a link in the show notes for an interview that they did over at risky business, which is another cybersecurity podcast, a good one, and he didn't interview the the gentleman who who runs risky business. He did some asking around and he said, one of the people he talked to who couldn't say much more or wouldn't allow him to say more on the podcast, but this person had done research into similar things and had found extra unlabeled components on sensitive buses. Right. So. This isn't the only place where people seem to be finding these things. I suppose there's there's already speculation that they may be in supply chains for things even like iphones or Alexis, you know. So it isn't just big servers, it's salon or SR slate did a really good article about how we can't stop this. The the problem is a global supply chain, and the only way that we could stop anything like this is to basically basically stop any manufacturing or or development in any country that could be considered hostile means more expensive and less of them here, right? Because we'd have to build them all ourselves. Well, and I think one of the unique things about this, why it's getting attention is that it is a hardware hack. It's not unusual for these sorts of things to be hidden in firmware. We had stories about while way and what was z. t. e. where they were found multiple instances of bad stuff hidden within the firmware. And and that's one of the things that people have been asking about with this. They've said, if you have access to the manufacturing process, why put an additional chip on the board? Why? Why not just, you know, infiltrate an existing chip, put some extra code, hide something in a chip. That's already there that way. Somebody inspecting the board isn't going to compare it with the the blueprints for the boards. Yeah, and say, wait a minute, extra chip doing here, and other people have good reasons for why you might wanna do that practical reasons for why you might want to do that starting with it. How often does anyone actually go and. And inspect the chip on a board at supposedly these chips were disguised to look like. He's thinking things like capacitors, just, you know, run of the mill sort of surface mounted components that wouldn't draw your attention right. That would make the most sense to actually just disguise it as something as their hide in plain sight, not bad to it, not be additive, but just, you know, okay, we've got a chip already, or you know, pull pull the chip up. That's already there and figure out a way to hide something underneath it or in a way that is not visible, what was the the NSA's program where they would get UPS shipments in, you know, flight and then take him apart and replace pieces and then put him back at UPS box, send him out. I can't remember the name of the program is like, yeah, I mean, that's obviously a different thing because you're getting it later in the supply chain. But the end result is the same, right? But if you don't know how the supply chain works. I mean, it could have just been the NSA putting these chips on the board. If these chips even exist well and. Another thing they said in the Bloomberg article was that they'd heard about them this technology being placed between the layers in a multilayer circuit board. So you circuit boards, modern circuit boards, don't just have a front and a back. They have inbetween layers, sandwiched in between the layers. And so if you could hide this within the layers itself, that makes it even harder to find. You'd have to x-ray the board, something like that now. So the other interesting part of this is that all of all of the companies named in this piece are vehemently denying that any of this happened at all apple, Amazon of the Chinese government obviously, but everyone is the I. I don't know that we've heard from the FBI yet. I'm pretty sure we heard from the FBI that they did not receive any of these stories from apple or Amazon. So so here we go, right? Because Bloomberg stands. By their story, and these are not wishy washy denials. From these companies, these are firm. This did not happen, and that gets everyone with a tin foil hat spun up because that's exactly what they say right. And I read a, I read a good piece this morning on that about, you know, when the NSA stuff came out before with Yahoo and Facebook and apple all saying the same thing about how they did not, you know, give the FBI or the NSA direct access to their servers. That was language that was given to them by the NSA because they were under a gag order and they could not say they were under a gag order. Right? And because that when you get a gag order, you're not allowed to say you're under a gag order. Apple has come out and said, we are not under a gag order right there. You know, just clears the playing field for the fact that this probably didn't happen because they wouldn't be allowed to say that if the f. b. i. had said, you can't say anything about this right. So what does that mean? It means somebody is either mistaken or lying or putting together. It's possible that Bloomberg is putting together bits and pieces from lots of other different things that have happened in coming up with a conclusion that isn't accurate without them revealing their sources. It's it's kinda hard to to know. And I saw another article that basically, you know, did the trail of evidence from Bloomberg to the article in it says, it's like a friend of a friend story because they didn't have direct access to the people who were the people who said the thing that was set in. Right? Yeah, I did see someone knows a New York Times reporter yesterday, Kim Zetter very well known respected reporter. She said that she's heard that this could be perhaps one in a series of stories on this. So this there may be more to come along these lines. So time will tell with that one, but the certainly has grabbed everyone's a. Attention we we are. We are surely still within these speculation phase of this story, lots of intrigue. I do recommend that you listen to the risky business segment on this because there's a lot of good information about the plausibility of this that is worth hearing. And I've read a couple pieces from engineers who actually specked out how they would do it if they were going to do this. And it says they say it's kinda plausible, but not like like we said before, not the best way to do it. If that's the access he wanted just like fabricate a, you know, a counterfeit chip that does the things that you want. Why put another chip on the board, but you can easily do it if it has to be done. It's just a dumb way to do it. Right. Yeah, could be so like like you, I'm waiting to see one of these boards actually pop up. You can bet. I mean, that's the thing everybody searching for right now. These all these boards or they're not because maybe they just know it's bullshit and they're just going about business as usual. Could be, of course, the other possibilities. The government has gathered them all up and we won't be able to see them. That's right. Yeah, I'll just stoke that fire. Okay. Let's move onto some more fun news. Yeah, Facebook and Instagram. There's a prototype out in the wild that somebody is seen where Instagram is asking for permission to share your location data from your photographs to your Facebook profile. Yeah, I think this might have been one of the impetuses for Kevin system getting outta town. He's like, I just I can't deal with you guys doing that and they're like, no, we're going to do. It was like, okay, I'm out right because that gives Facebook access to more location data when the Facebook app is not running, which is an interesting thing. And of course, this will probably be opt in by default. You know how that goes as seem. I just don't understand the the outrage from people on the Instagram side of things going. Oh my God, it's being shared with Facebook. Facebook owns Instagram. Yeah, it doesn't make a difference. But right doesn't matter. They have. They have your information anyways if you're posting it on Instagram, Facebook has your information who cares if they do this? Well, the thing is, I guess, from the terms of service, they can't just grab it already. Okay. On the company? Yeah. Who wants to put money on the bet that somewhere in the Instagram ULA it says that they can share this with their partners and, and you know, corporate cousins. It's, yeah, I'm not going to take the time to go read the instruct. We don't actually do real work here. Obviously, we are not journalists and that's how they get you. Yeah, yeah, I get it. I totally think that this is I agree with you, Jason. I think this is one of the things that they were pushing for that the the the that caused them to leave. But I just the outrage the mock outrage of over this is ridiculous to me because they already have this data. They own the damn company. Yep, right. Facebook is the alphabet of your information now? Yes. Have all these companies and they're just slurping it all up. Good times. Okay. Not that might go a little longer, but. We're just beaten down to a bloody pulp when it comes to. It's just just ham by the outraged anymore. Right? Just exhausted. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Kavanagh's gonna get appointed. Yes, yes. Facebook pass. Eight I yes, yes. China's pudding chips and everything. Would you like some chips with that? Okay. Now, here's another fun. Alexa can be hacked by chirping birds. Now, that's kind of a misleading headline. I do believe don't you think. Yeah, this is a basically scientists at universities Stott in Bonn, Germany, phlegm. They've discovered a way to hide. Inaudible commands in audio files commands that well, imperceptible to our ears can take control over voice assistance. Now, the interesting thing about this is they're testing this on the guy that does the voice to text recognition, stuff that is built into Alexa, right? That's what they're testing against. So they haven't really tested it so much against Alexa. They're actually shopping this thing audio files, so they haven't actually tried it in the air yet. But what they're doing is it's called psycho acoustic hiding, which just sounds awesome. I love that term. It's a great song by the talking heads. Psycho acoustics. So what they're doing is they're just they're layering sub levels of audio over people speaking because there's there with our ears and our brains. We don't hear certain things when they're very loud sound. So we skip out the little. The little sounds ran. There's a video in this article where they actually show how it works and they isolate the two different frequencies. It's a very interesting video because you can see how the different sounds are layered and they show how the basically the engine is listening to it and it's slow. It's not like very fast. It's very slow. It's like the word by word and it just pieces of all together. And you know, you can basically hide an audio file like, say, in a podcast in say, you know, turn off the security cameras and unlock the front door. That's their example, which I thought was a pretty good example. And you could blast this out on a radio station. You could blast it out anywhere like to get, you know, mass people and then, oh my God, then we. The purge, but I might have gone too far with that one, but. Technique. I couldn't help thinking of the the little security bird in the incredible movie, you know, I'm talking about, yeah. On on on the island had this little the little bird who turns out to be a security camera. That was the first thing that came to mind when I was thinking about this is somebody would bird manufactured in China. Probably. I mean you, he must've outsourced all that stuff. That's of course. Yeah. Yeah. But again, I mean, this is something that if they do what they need to be doing, which is the voice recognition strong enough that it has to be your voice or your wife's. It has to learn your voice in an only recognize your voice that solves the problem or put a pin on it. Yeah. What do you mean? If you say girl in a tube unlocked the front door, four to six, seven two, you know. So you have to have your you have to have your, you know, you can't. You cannot just blow up the enterprise without your command and control codes. So. Destruct exactly what that easy. Command override Reicher two, seven, two, you know, whatever. And so if things like that that are safety oriented, it would be better to have some kind of in home pin the you can read off with it instead of just saying, do it. You know, you know, let let's look to Star Trek to solve this problem. Yeah, that's all I'm saying to factor trek or Star Wars Jason on the star Trek's. I'm a Star Trek guy. There's no, nobody talked to the millennium falcon. No, you can talk to the enterprise, but you can't talk to the millennium falcon. Well, all right. I'm not. I'm not going there, but you can talk to it, but it just won't answer back. Well, I mean c. three PEOs says, what a peculiar dialect the falcon has. And of course, anyone who's seen the solo movie knows where the falcon gotten anyway. I digress. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hey, you brought it up man, you open the open that can of worms. Now we all have to eat them. No, no, no. Yeah, that's true. But anyway, I don't think I've ever seen any sort of self destructing in the Star Wars universe. Yeah, no, no, you have to do is warp your ship into everybody and, oh, everything's done, right. I wasn't even gonna man. Taste in my mouth now I may. Yeah. All right. It's your turn. It's your turn to go home, angry this. Yeah, exactly. Send an angry tweet in about ten minutes. Yeah, right. How we do it goes, are jerks. Yeah. All right. You wait for it. It'll happen. And then everyone listen to this and they'll go back and they'll see it in the laugh and they'll say, hall guys are so clever. Or not? No one ever number. Right? Yeah. All right. Well, gentlemen, have a nice weekend. Have a nice way. You have a nice time. Enjoy tearing apart all your electron x looking for chips, right? Yeah, it's like the end of the movie, the conversation, the guy, tears apart his apartment that we're, we're heading in that direction. I fear new chips. Dips chains whips. Are you go? All right, always a pleasure. I'll talk to guys next time. Ups and do. Now, normally I wouldn't put this kind of thing in in our show because it's not technically technology and it's actually somewhat embarrassing to me, but I figured why not? I've talked about a like a shaver that I bought in the past on the show, which was absolutely fantastic. I even use it to cut my kids hair now, but I have, you know, kid isn't showing swimming. Okay. He's he's got a fondness for the pool, and obviously that means swimming lessons is coming up soon. And my wife has three, three swimming moves. She's got hot tub. She has a sit with her feet in the water drinking a cocktail, and if absolutely pressed, she's got doggy paddle. So mommy and me classes is going to be daddy and me in my case and all right, as I've gotten older, I know Robin Williams or anything, but a Harris started to appear in places that one generally doesn't want it. And I'm going to be going to these classes in in a couple of months, I'm sure, and I want, you know, look. All right. 'cause the Santa. Monica mommy's are. Well, let's just say they've had a lot of work done. They look right? I don't want to be all schlepping in there in it. So you know, next week I'm starting the no sugar, no grain thing. And I did a little search for hair removal an in hard to reach places as it were and came across the back blade two point. Oh, plus. And the main reason I'm actually reviewing this is because when you find a product that actually works, you're just shocked these days. Yes, areas locked. This thing I'm blown away by how well it works. I can make all kinds of jokes about magnum PI and wishing that hair, you know, came back in and all that, but whatever it works phenomenally well, and I was just so blown away by it. I was like, I've gotta talk about this on the show. I, it's just so rare to get something that does exactly what it says. It does. There you go. Okay, two point. Oh, plus it does exactly what it says it does, but you have to read the whole title back hair removal in body shaver, DIY easy to use curve handle for a close pain-free shave, wet or dry. It's a long title, but it isn't as exciting as all the product ones that we normally do that have like codes in it and black parentheses. So yeah, but okay, there you go. There's emphases in hair parentheses. DIY had a Peres drew. Yeah. Well, it doesn't come with somebody who does it for you, so I'd assume it was DIY. Yeah, I said it came with someone that does it for you. Yeah, it doesn't usually the products that I would like to. Yeah. So anyways, I recommend it if you happen to be here Stewart. Yes, I am. I am not. So I will not be getting that. Okay. Friend of the show. Mike sent me a great link over at USA today. Check out how much computer cost the year you were born assuming you're not too old because it does start on nineteen seventy-one, which I believe is Jason. So it starts with you old man. That's my birthday nineteen seventy-one. So the notable computer of that year was the Ken back one with a price tag of seven hundred and fifty dollars in the inflation adjusted prices four thousand six hundred and fifty nine dollars. Well, that is a God damned steal compared to me in nineteen Seventy-three. I know shit which the notable computers the weighing twenty two hundred stag of thirty. Five hundred bucks ingested adjusted price nineteen thousand eight hundred and thirty two dollars. Good Lord, Lord. Now like goes all the way up to twenty sixteen. I was hoping to get a see that's a. Lenovo yoga, yoga. There was a computer named a yoga. Yep. Nine hundred s four thousand dollars justed inflation price a one one. Five two. So they you go. I'm gonna. Go get my twenty grand weighing out. Twenty grand Wang show. Oh, man. So I work in the audio business as some people may know because they're listening to it right now. And not many people know unfortunately, yeah, we could use a few more people to know so get on it. I often use is it products to clean up my audio, get rid of unwanted noise and sounds and things like that. And there are x. series has been just phenomenal and they have just come out with isotope RX seven and I go for the advanced copy so I can get all the bells and whistles. So yesterday I picked up a copy of is atop RX7. advanced, which is pricey. But the main reason I got is because I have a discount for an upgrade from some plug ins I had and since it just came out, it's like five hundred bucks off the street value because it's usually over a grand. It's like twelve hundred bucks new, which is pricey. But when you think about this is like Photoshop for audio and you know, in in the old days, I'd buy Photoshop sometimes and. Maybe once I bought one version that counts for all the upgrades. Right. That was Photoshop three. So anyway, I picked this up in my God what an amazing thing it. It can do just about anything. It can make anybody sound good and can fix all sorts of stuff too. But you I'm actually doing the show on top of a garbage truck, do not. In the wind with no Mike filter backwards. And so, yeah, if you're into audio, definitely check it out. There is a demo that you can get, but for the the difference between our six in RX7. is just unbelievable. It's twice as fast, the filters twice. It's one whole number. It is. Yes, it is. It's a mole number. And in an isotope Barak seven, they use machine learning on, of course they do. Yeah, but I tell you what it fucking works so I don't care. Then it went over to ask dot video, and I got the Rx, seventy unofficial video manual, which is a great course. It's like thirty bucks in teaches you all the ins and out I was I stayed up like way too late last night, watching all these videos, Twenty-eight videos for a couple of hours and it's is great. So if you even if you have been using our ex and you don't know what it all does because it doesn't come with a manual, of course, at least not a decent one. Great videos totally in I was complaining. On Twitter because that's what you do on Twitter, even though I'm supposed to be off it, I was complaining about some hosting stuff in front of the show. Anthony Ross Bach wrote me. He's like, hey, why don't you check out the company? I work for node host and I'm like, okay, okay, I'll go check them out. And then just went and jumped around a bit and looked at what I thought was going to be. You know, just a normal hosting thing. And then I scrolled down and I saw their prices in my jaw, hit the floor for just a basic blog setup. It's a dollar twenty a month a month, the portfolio which gives you twice the web storage is two dollars and forty cents a month, and it goes up to nine dollars and sixty cents a month and the make money. That's exactly what I said. Because also it's three if you're a student or a teacher, right? So I I wrote them and I'm like, I went back and forth with the note host Twitter account. I'm like, no, but how? How. And they're like, we're just very smart about how we do things, and I'm like, that's it helps keep our costs down. I'm like, okay, well, let me give it a shot. So I set up an account last night and moving one of my sites over to give it a shop set as easy, and you get a bunch of time free when you sign up. So I didn't even have to put my credit card in, but you can recharge your account through your pay pal account, which is nice. So I put a whopping five dollars on there. We should get me another like twenty years at their pricing, but so far it's pretty straightforward. The the dashboards nice. They're, they're DNS panel leaves a lot to be desired, but it is workable. But for the price, the fact that they have one is a miracle. You know. So so far, it's pretty cool and they've got, you know, one click installs for a bunch of different things. And I ran across one that had me kind of interested. It's called Kokin k. o. k. e. n. okay, I'd never heard of this before. It's kind of like the WordPress for video galleries. Oh, interesting. Yeah, it's it's free. You can download open source and they can do an install for you on there. And I think I'm going to give it a shot just I'm just going to spin up an instance since riot out because I am not happy with the the site that I have over at j. p. d. dot me. Sorry, j. d. dot photos, which is you pick site is they have just too many add ons and they don't have a way to export your photos which is my biggest pet peeve ever. But this way it's on my server, I run, it's got themes and plug ins. It looks really cool. It looks like the word WordPress for photography almost nice. Yeah, and it syncs with light room, which is also really, really cool because all my stuff in light room. That's very helpful because that's how you do everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I'm going to check this out. I'm gonna dig into, but check them out. Note host dot CA. So they're Canadians, which you know, like them's? Yeah. Oh, speaking of Canada. Remember that sent in oil infused that they gave us at fireside that we see entire trip. I brought it home and because you already had one in, I cranked it up last night and I put the oil in, you know, started to lay down to do some reading and it just brought me back to Canada. I felt like I was back in the woods in my room because it had used the same oil. And I'm like, you pissed when a bucket of beer didn't show up at night, I kind of was, yeah. There was no bucket a beer and but but the nice thing is I have heat in my house and why font are we did have never mind set a shower that's bigger than midgets ask. That's true. That was the worst. The first time I got in that shower and it was freezing and my but hit the back of the shower as shocked out of the thing. Camping, we're supposed to be glam ping that was not glancing anyway. One thing I told you about that I was having an issue with with opera with this new version, like updated to what you McCall it, not maverick. Was it? Mojave? Mojave is the new hobby? Yeah, I'm I'm not digging the dark mod. It's kind of all over the place. Back, right? That's what I told you. Yeah, it's not working all that. Great. So I think I'm just going to go back to light mode. I wish you could go back to light mode and just make the title bar dark, but you can't anymore. It's it's all or nothing. And I love. I love having the normal interface with just the dark title bar. It just makes me happy anyway. So in opera I was having this problem when I was doing the show notes where I'd copy some text from one page and try and put it in our show notes on quip in do shift command v, which is should be pasted match style. And every time I would do that it would open Google and search for the tax. And I'm like, what division? So turns out in one of the new versions of opera, you can go to the edit menu and see, you know, pasted match style, which is command v because we taught people how to do that in previous episode in the system preferences, using the keyboard system preference and the shortcuts, you can manually set it up for setup app shortcuts, which is a great thing to do, but they hijacked it in. In an oppor now. So they changed it to paste and go, I hit you, paste in go. Go sucks. Took me an hour this morning. I'm like, I am bound and determined to figure this out because that's part of my workflow and my muscle memory. So for the opera fans out there, surprisingly, there are a lot of opera fans out there. Now everybody I talked to is like, yeah, I listen to your show and I tried upper and his great, I love it. So there are a lot of opera fans out there. So if you are using this particular thing, you want to go to advanced settings shortcuts in configure shortcuts and there's a list of every heat he command that you have the option for in opera. So which is a nice thing to know anyway, if you want to change something or add something, just go find, paste and go in delete the key combo and that will fix the issue for you. Woohoo. Yeah, I know exciting stuff. Well, Russian trolls didn't just screw up our election. They've apparently meddled in our most sacred American institutions, Star Wars fandom, oh, no. Yes. In addition to the two thousand sixteen presidential election, Russia may have gotten involved with the backlash surrounding the last Jedi online, sewing, discontent and dissent amongst Americans. Oh, no, comrade fete. Yes. A new study by researcher Morton bay examines online discussion there, Phil and finds it on Twitter. The discourse was affected by deliberate organized, political influence, measures disguised as fan, arguments including possible. Russian trolls wrote to. I don't know if this is a book or just a blog, but it's called weaponising the haters the last Jedi and the strategic politicization of pop culture through social media manipulation. And he found that basically, yeah, Russian shows got involved in a, you know, basically all the negative super, super, super negative, like the stuff that went lake, sexist and all that discussion about the last Jedi. Now before you go crazy about this, there are plenty of us that just hated the movie and talked there. There's some of us didn't think just sucked. Yes, and I have one of those people. Yeah. I found a lot of of science at a news this week, a lot of space news actually. So apparently we have found our first exit moon or moon. That is circling another planet. Obviously, we've had trouble seeing them because they're much smaller than planets, but some researchers thought they saw about what I think two three years ago or something like that. And then they got time with the Hubble telescope to look at it because of their math and work on that. And they say that yet we pretty much think we are hundred, not one hundred, but ninety nine percent. Sure. We found a moon pretty cool, right. Nice. I dig the moons except when my moon hits the back of that shower in the morning. Yes, that is a problem. You want some Martian dirt. Nah, kind of cool to have on your desk, right. Twenty bucks a kilogram, except it's not the real stuff it is made in a lab to basically match exactly what Martian dirt is like actually owned some which is kinda cool. You can also let met Damon poop in it though. I would get one and put a potato in it. Exactly. See if it grew. Yeah. So you can also apparently get lunar and asteroid soil, but this is more difficult to make much more expensive because some of those ingredients can only be sourced from actual meteorites that fall into. So you can only source it from the moon, sorry. Yeah. So I guess a Martian soil is a lot easier to make. And finally, because the world is a gigantic, garbage, trash fire right now, five, some Halloween news and asteroids shaped like a goddamn skull is currently headed towards earth. Nice Eman if we gotta go, that's the only way to go. So Willis, we have a Lincoln, the show notes. It looks like a goddamn skull does, and it is hurtling towards us. It's a two thousand foot wide asteroid was initially discovered a few years ago when it I made a pass by our planet and Halloween twenty fifteen. And it comes like his advice as a cosmic spooky skeleton Meam. This time, the asteroid which is likely dead comet is going to do a pretty tight fly by coming within one point, three times the distance between us and the moon, it'll be a little later. It'll be here November eleventh. And as they say at this point, let's just hope it ends at all seriously, but man if we gotta go come on, that's that's the way to go. That is the way to go. It is the most metal is. Charlotte. Sorry, Jason, your cubs are out, but the dodgers have won their first game against the Braves, and I'm looking forward to this. Let's go dodgers ago. I got my l. a. hat now you know, screw the cubs. Yeah. Until next time I'm Brian Shaw Meister Jason Filipo. Thanks for listening to grumpy all geeks this the show and keep us on the air. 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Nintendo's E3 Plans - Kinda Funny Games Daily 05.09.19

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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Nintendo's E3 Plans - Kinda Funny Games Daily 05.09.19

"What's up everybody? Welcome to kind of funny games. Daily for Thursday may ninth twenty nineteen. I'm one of your host, Greg Miller alongside the busiest leading the business Adri Rene. Let's get Greg nothing. Eight forty five. Andrea Islip till six forty five. I woke up with splitting headache. I don't know. What is going on with my body dehydrated? Maybe so yeah. But I drink a ton of water yesterday. Noses a little stuff all moved up because it's stupid thing. We're dumb head called keys move on. You're not breathing correctly. While you're sleeping. You're not going to get a full night. What can I do about us? It's not connects. Yeah. But I don't wanna take any more pills. I've taken a lot of pills. What science exist for a reason? Just take the guy got the thing for you. Give it to after the show. I think I have one in my bag. I'll tell you what you can get. It's an all natural. Herbal remedy. Here we go here we go. I mean, she's going to be a little pistol, mortal. Do this take part of my hair put it in that. Arby's everyone. I'm good. Yeah. Been a very busy week. Obviously, we're in the countdown to eat three. We had a head a special guests on what's good last night's Kelsey impeach K from BuzzFeed multiplayer. I've never hosted anything with her. And she is excellent. Shootout hershey. Scotland she's Skype Dan from LA. Yeah. That's that's where all the cool YouTube kids are that. Kev, work kids. We're up here. I keep telling us to move. Okay. I'm stumping for kind of funny to move to LA. People want to watch that when we're where can they watch it when they watch I can watch Fridays at eight pm Pacific time at was could games dot com slash podcast. You can get a list of all the platforms were on or YouTube dot com slash what's good games. Group will throw all that shoot at your head. This is kind of funny daily today. We're talking about intendo Z three plane days gone sales in Japan, more gearbox stuff and so much more. Because this funny games each every week, Dan variety of platforms. We run you through the nerdy. Video game news need know about you like that'd be part of the show. Patriot dot com slash kind of funny games there. You can leave your questions your comments, your concerns, your squad up requests and everything else under the video game son, then tune into twitch dot TV slash funny games. Watch us record the show live. If you're watching live, you've especial job go to kind of dot com slash your wrong tells what we screw up as we screw it up. So we can set the record straight for everybody washing later on YouTube dot com slash kinda funny games rooster teeth dot com in podcast services around the globe housekeeper. For you today. This doesn't help you. It's confusing. It's one of those days too. Many live events are happening, right. We are here live right now. Ten AM, of course Pacific time at eleven thirty AM Pacific time ghost recon is doing their reveal event will have that for you tomorrow. Then today PlayStation is doing their state of play event at three PM Pacific time. We'll talk about that tomorrow. However, if you wanna see us live reacts to state of play today, you can catch that on twitch dot TV slash kind of funny games at three PM. If you're saying, hey, wait a second though. I gotta notification that I'm a patriotic person. I can watch you guys record the kind of funny games cast today at two pm. You're not going to do an hour long game cast are you, of course, not we'll do the pre show. We'll start the games cast. Then we're gonna pause the games cast which over to watch state play. They'd come back into the games cast and finish. It all talk about their idea. Concept to make a bad idea. What's just cutting the show in half? What do you want? Do do it earlier leader, no movie tonight. Detector. I did. I did what's the things that we bought tickets, then we're going to interview tomorrow for protect but detective Biki, right? Then guess what interviews punted to next week. I'm not even on it anymore because I'm a judge. We all right cool. I'll still go. See the movie then Tim comes out yesterday. I was like, yes, what they added adobe showing detective Pichu. Now, everybody's switching their tickets. You can switch your this is complicate. I'm gonna see at the Alamo on Saturday with Jen. Bye. That's what I did never out with us. But I have breaking news for interview that doesn't pertain to the show at all. Today when I have a moment of silence and peace around here, which never happens. Kevin. I'm buying A-List movie pass whatever the fuck with Tim sold me on the in terms of cheaper. Just do it. It'll help in review, and I do som- doing that. So there you go. Here's here's my thing. Why not company expense it for all of us? All of us now use it for work. You know what? I mean. I mean, take that up with Tim Tam. No, he's he's just going to say, no because he sucks. I don't know how to tell him that yesterday. He expected for Nicon, Andy I fucking new height avenue. It talked about it definitely expense. Today there. Hang out with us have together. Morehouse patriot producers. Tom Bach blackjack Mojave Mojave today. We're brought to you by hymns in twenty three and me. But I'll tell you about that later for now. Let's begin the show with what is an forever will be the rope reports. We're getting close you know, what I mean? It's three financial year. Some of them are short some of them. Are here's one that starts on the no debt, and then we get a little bit tidbits in there that interesting number one. Let's talk about Nintendo's e three plan. They review restate press. Release today that reads like this Nintendo has outlined its plans for the e three twenty nineteen video game trade show, which takes place June thirteenth through the thirteenth. They eleven through. Eleventh through the thirteenth at the Los Angeles convention center the weekend before the show includes two competitions featuring top players of the super smash brothers ultimate tune two games from around the world. Okay. No doubt retarding activities during the week include an intended erect presentation on the morning of June eleventh at nine AM Pacific time. Again, no doubt. They always do the Tuesday thing, however, focusing on his highly new software scheduled to launch in twenty nineteen. There's the interesting thing remember that. We'll get back to and Nintendo treehouse live daily livestream from e three featuring live game. Play. An in-depth analysis of games featured Addy three Nintendo will feature many playable Nintendo. Switch games at its booth and a new warp pipe pass will help transport people to a priority. Access part of lines for select games war. Pipe passe the times. Scoot it out. Angela. I love you, Kevin usual. No, we're gonna do this. We're going to have it there does the fact they're talking about it's highly software in entirely watching at twenty nineteen get you. And I think this is an obviously because they've already announced they're not talking about hardware plans, which I think is a little bit of a bummer. We obviously have speculated quite a bit of what the next thing for switch could look like whether it's more powerful mothers. Whether it's less powerful designed for more family friendly, right? Patriot dot com slash kind of funny games and says good morning, Greg and Andrea Nintendo announce their e three press conference, Nintendo direct plans, specifically mentioned focus on software leaving talks of hardware to speculation a lot of conflicting rumors are swirling around when exactly new hardware will be released summer fall. Not at all. When do you think we will see a new Nintendo? Switch hardware to be released. If I had to take bets I'd say more portable unit would be released with the new poke Amman or maybe animal crossing this fall as for powerful s for new powerful switch. I don't see being released this year. Thanks. You guys. Just want to get him out there. I want him on the playing field evidence out there. You know what? I mean. Thanks evan. I think that it's become clear that we probably won't get any new hardware in twenty nineteen aside from maybe some new color joy cons, or maybe something with the pro controller because I thought the statement, you know, the president made was very clear. I think that was what a month ago this maybe kinda funny dot com slash you're wrong. Where he was like, we will talk about hardware when we're ready to release the hardware. So I don't anticipate any hardware happening this year. And if it does it wouldn't happen until holiday, I fully expect intendo to focus e-3 this year on Bookham on sorghum shield because they generally tend to pick one poll title to center most of their coverage around that's your super smash Bros. Before it was brought at wild. So I think that this year maybe was breath of the wild twenty. The launch era odyssey or twenty seventeen was best. Right. So last year was smash then. Nationalist mash. So I think that it's going to be all Pok Mon all the time. But clearly they want able crossing. That's what it's gotta be rea-. I mean. Use of new hardware give giving shit. Oh now, it's animal crossing potentially fucking better. They promised me twenty nineteen. All right. Reggie promised to me on his deathbed. When you're ten domains, and you've got poke Amman or animal crossing clearly one of those wildly more popular than the other. Sure. Crossing it sucks. No, no. I'm not. But I don't think I'm with you. All right. I think yes, the booth is going to be Mon decked out. Right. It's going to be about that. But I mean the year we're talking about in confusing the years where that was the year where like switches first year where it was they had out of see they did have to you can have a booth that has two major components absolutely to be clear. I'm not saying that they're not going to have anything else. But we have seen over the last few years that they've chosen to spotlight one major title. And then all the other titles are a little bit, less emphasized. I still I still believe my heart's animal crossing is coming into teen. I still believe at this conference. Get I look at it get a date or window whether they fall or winter something of that effect. And then yeah, it'd be playable out there on the floor. But yeah, I agree that I think they're gonna. Really double down on of shield, obviously, the one we know the most about and obviously the one that's more popular in more out there for people to your point than anabolics writes in and says Asia, you are correct about Nintendo not talking about hardware this year. The official statement, quote as a general rule, we're always working on new hardware, and we will announce it when we're able to sell it and quotes a Furukawa told reporters Asaka quote, but we have no plans to announce that at this year's e-3 in June. So. Yeah, when do you do you see the hardware coming out? Do you see the revisions this year though like to question? Cool e-3 is off the table. Apparently, don't trust anybody. You know, what I mean don't trust anybody because this three direct from they're still gonna teach them that's coming to twenty twenty. They say it's all twenty nineteen they're liars. Anyways. I digress Nintendo. Still a publicly traded company behooves them to get investors excited about what's coming down the road for them. I don't think he would make that statement if they were ready to put new hardware skews into the casino, Greg. I don't think we're gonna see hardware three know. Now what I was saying. I apologize. Let's dial it back when I was saying is software. You are going to see games at least one game. It's coming in twenty twenty out. This Nintendo, PlayStation. Yes. As the bread crumbs keep you excited about Nintendo's whole thing. Yes. And I was saying now that that's off the table. When do you think you see Harvey? Do you think you see something for this year? I know I think spring twenty twenty seems like a good time. To inject a new skew into the Nintendo switch ecosystem because switch launched in the spring. Sure. So why not on the what will be the third year anniversary of the switch spring twenty twenty. I Evans line of thinking that poke Amman again, like you're saying incredibly popular, right and very popular of younger kids. The reason I think that too. Yeah. Yeah. The what was it the Nintendo three D S two DS? Right. The one that looks like a Dorsey fault. The exactly that was designed for children right in a way that all right cool. Here you go. And I think that people socially nerd gamers, like us with kids are looking for a way to just toss the kids a switch and forget about it. But not have it be their fancy when they wanna take on business trips to the bathroom and get away from their hands. Yelling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That skew comes after the switch Perot? I'm using air quotes here because I would love to see switch Perot launch spring twenty twenty alongside metro right? Yeah. Wouldn't that be nice? Very nice. Very very nice. We're gonna happen, but I would like to see or longside persona five which will one day come to switch dome. Listen to bear. Jamie. Someone has to be happy Hammond. Number two. Guess what injury? What days going to sell in great Japan? This is James bachelor over games industry dot biz zombie adventure days, gone. Enjoyed a strong debut in PlayStations hallmark of Japan out selling one of the PlayStation four's biggest hits data from Mitsui translated by gazoo shows the game sold I'm gonna around down, right? One hundred fourteen thousand bucks copies in its opening opening week from April twenty second to the twenty eighth. Push wear observe that got of were only managed forty six thousand units in its opening year last week opening week last year day's gone is only just short of performing twenty seventeenth horizons. Your Don which debuted at just about one hundred seventeen thousand sales in Japan, the site notes that the previous games figures are from media create rather than Famitsu. So there may be slight discrepancies. And as always Fimat sues only account for physical copies. So total sales will be higher when digital is included days gone. Of course, also debuted at number one in the UK and held onto the top of the charts for a second week running do. Due to a quiet week with few new releases. Congrats Sony been excellent news. Exactly great studio. I'm happy. They're happy. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I didn't think the game was amazing. But I enjoyed it enough. It was I say mediocre. I don't think it hit the line of good for me. But this is something interesting. I've been seeing a lot online, right? Andrea is the push poll very publicly between what critic said in scores were given in what the audience is saying while they play it. Right. And I find it very interesting and complicated and a lot of ways because one of scene is and I'm getting looped into lots of conversations, right? Because I was very vocal of like, I don't think it's a I don't think it's a good game. Like, it's bad game to be clear. If you missed our games game cast review, right? Like, it's isn't by. No means a bad game. Definitely just I think it goes onto long. I don't think the systems are that great off that rewarding. I can see what people are having fun with it. And what I'm finding interesting in the discussion around it and some of the yelling around it is people losing sight of the differ. Between reviewing products as a hey, I'm trying to review it as a game. Journalist critic, whatever you want to say, right. And then being a player with a product. And it's something we've walked line is kind of funny with me in particular of coming for my Jannine review background to then just being a personality and playing a game for a couple of hours of me like liked it didn't like it, blah, blah. And just talking about on the games gas. Right. I feel it's telling when I read these comments where people are especially on Instagram where I see happening or when I get looped into a Twitter thread where people are like, yeah. Let's crash to me a bunch of times, and adding like this mechanic, but I'm having fun with this game saying why I got the scores that's gotten. I'm like, that's why you just you just said why right? Like, a crash the bunch on you, and you aren't enjoying aspects. You can sit there and say a game is not good. Not not mean that it's terrible. That's broken. That's a five. You know what? I mean. That's a four that somewhere down that scale. And it's been fascinating to watch. How people are wrestling with that right now have you seen this? I where do you out with? I remember when we did review your closing in on the finish. Did you ever get to? It. No. So I put it aside because I was having too many issues with bugs, but I talked to Brett at length about this on the show you can hear again on Friday. But what I was happy to hear that her game. Breaking bug has been fixed in. So seems like the latest Patrick I think is one point seven has fixed. A lot of the issues not only that she was suffering from the. But that I was and so I told her I was like, well that's great to hear because I'd put it down. Because I was like, you know, what I'm just getting frustrated and not is a unfortunate circumstance of plane pre release code is that a lot of times those bugs can't be addressed and can't be fixed right away. And I know that they pushed I think five patches total in the time that we. One year box one of the stories. They did on the show was like there's been a day's gone patch every day for the past week or something that affect. Yeah. So they've clearly been working overtime to fix the technical issues in the game, which I'm really glad for and I'm actually looking forward to going back in in in jumping back in and really experiencing it with out any of those bugs and CFI change my opinion. I still think that there's some core gameplay design underlying that is always going to just fundamentally not resonate with me. The doesn't mean I won't be able to enjoy my time with the game or thing. Like, right. We were talking about it in the review. One of my main problems is like, I think taking on a horde is awesome. That's so much fun. It gets introduced so game. Honestly, for me personally, outside of the fact, I've been very clear about this before I know a lot of people at Sony been a lot of for years. I've no out of them cheer for them. It sucked the dinner resonate with me. And I didn't enjoy it on that level. And like, you know, I think the most telling thing, right? It's like when we were talking about reviewing being done with it. Tim's like are you gonna platinum and I'm like, no, I'm not going back to gone. What gets me excited about the sales? And the fact that there is clearly an audience that it's resonating with and that they're enjoying in spite of or maybe they're not even having the problems that we all have that. I had this gets me super excited for the sequel. I wanted to be sequel, I definitely don't bend to be closed. Right. Like enjoyed a lot of their games. I think they're obviously a lot of people. I don't wanna see anybody out of a job. But I do really dig the fact that if it's resonating with people, and then they can take all the feedback that people even the people who like it or people who didn't like it into account and come back and give us a game. And gave us a game that either is filled with more stuff to do a better reward loop shorter like come in and take the very ambitious title you made and put out right and come out of the gates with a number two, even better that has a different thing on it that, you know, corrects the problems, I think most people are having that'd be awesome. Indeed. Indeed, Kevin you ever gonna did you play as gonna forget. I started to play it. I have this problem where I immediately was like, I don't like how this looks. I want to play something else. Yeah. And I think it has to do with the fact that is the video that we were testing. It was the trailer for days gone was the one we were testing to find out if the computer had a stutter so now on a plate at home. It's me comfortable. Gotcha seen that trailer hundreds of times. Gotcha. Okay. Fair never three. This is from PC gamer, and Andy chalk any Chuck had intervened CEO of EA Andrew Wilson where they're talking about e in the chain. How there he is going to change the future releasing games or how the future of releasing games? It's changing, right? They talking obviously about the of anthem and all these different things they learned there. Right. So jumping out of that conversation. This is how to go quote that that obviously. And they're talking about going from a single player games two games as a service, obviously has an impact on development and QA processes, but he is also examining how it presents new games to potential audiences with an eye. Oord managing expectations. Wilson said that in Asia, major online games generally go through a soft launch and multiple community test before anything goes live, which enables EA to get a better idea of how they'll behave at scale in the west, however, major publishers have stuck with older conventions. A quote dip drip feed approaching quote to to marketing to build up the appetite and excitement for the game that leads straight to release. Here's the quote, quote as games have gotten bigger that system isn't working as well as it has in years gone by so what you should expect from us is that it's not just about changing development processes in the game. It's not just about changing the QA process in the game. Although both of those things are being changed dramatically and sat organization right now. But it also comes down to changing how we launched games, you should expect that we'll start to test things like soft launches the same things that you see in the mobile game space right now. And it also comes down to changing how we communicate with players aren't tire marketing organization now is moving. Out of presentation mode and into conversation. Moat in changing how we interact with players overtime and quote Wilson believes that change in approach should help ensure that games run better and more reliably when they go fully live. And we'll also have players quote, understand exactly what it is. They're going to be playing and how they're going to be playing both on the day of launch in overtime end. Quote, the back. Another quote, we think that we're in a really good position for this. I think this gets really hard if you don't have scale to do this. And so we feel very good about it Wilson said and over time we hope that we can lead lead from the front and help other developers and publishers change the way they do things as well. And quote. ES shit on all the time obviously anthem obviously was complete hurt fucking quagmire of a launch and everything else. Whatever I know you need to judge on actions and not on words. I like what he's saying here. I like what Wilson saying here. I like I feel like as an industry if we are going to be like you guys fucked up anthem you fucked up transactions actions. Right. We also need to say, okay. This sounds like the right thing will it actually be how it goes dot, etc. Etc. I don't fucking know. But I like this. I like this approach yet. We learned a lot from our fuck up. And we now understand that. This is not how. You know games are right now in two thousand nineteen or at least even in the west, right? Like, we need to adopt a different style. In terms of how this works and how to make it better. And how to make sure players know what they're getting. So we don't have these explosions of anthem is not what we were promised. Right. Absolutely. I think this is what a lot of players have been asking for just some communication EA has been notorious for not being as communicative with their player base. As some other publishers are, and I think that speaks to just how large of a company they are the global reach that they have that. Maybe they felt that they couldn't have that conversation affectively. But I'm glad that, you know, Andrew got out here and made the statement, as you mentioned, we don't know exactly what this means. Of course heard right. Maybe maybe it is the same old song names for the next five years. I'm like, well, this was empty words. Right. But I I again, I wanna see this backed up in what you're saying to that. Yeah. They have been. Quiet. Right. And that's something that worked against them even with anthem is by aware. And I would assume that part of you being client is the fact that overarching is like, well, no that's not how we do it. We don't talk to our audience that way. You would hope that yell the stumbles and falls they've had here in recent memory in influence, the decision like, okay. You know, what we're not going to be like that. And the new directive is talk to the audience and the directive is it mitt what you can even one is bad news, but get out there and talk about it. Because again, if you talk to your audience about anything they understand, and they may not like the answers. But at least they're like, well, at least you shooting straight with me in your talking to us about this, generally, speaking, most reasonable reasonable, people are willing to have a dialogue or have a conversation about it. Now, let's be honest. There's always going to be people who are going to hate EA Sherm now until the end of time because they have whatever reason they have. But I think that steps like this are in the right direction to potentially winning some of those players back. That said, hey, you know, what you've been doing some pretty agreed GIS things lately. And I'm not cool with that. So I'm just gonna go spend my dollar somewhere else. So maybe this is a step in the right direction for. E eight say, hey, don't forget, you know, we make all of these games. And yeah, we made some mistakes, but we want to learn from those mistakes and move forward. The only way you can ditch being the worst company in America or world all that evils company. Whenever fucking they win all the time this internet unpopularity contest, right? Is by showing with their human you show, your human bioline people who make the games to talk to the people who play their games. Yeah. And you have to be vulnerable to admit when you've made mistakes and talk about them that often Tissot is something that we all are craving, and we are becoming to expect these days with the transparency that we're getting in these digital media formats, and this idea that we can always be connected and talking to each other. So I'm glad to hear that they're working on it. Yeah. That's the thing. I think I I hope this actually inspires and moves to action. That's the big thing. I like the words let's see if it actually plays out number four. Speaking of words, gearboxes responding to salt allegations. This is Emma can't over at euro gamer. I'm sure I don't need to recap it. But if I did we were. Talking about says, the Burland three reveal event rainy did the micro transactions thing it blew up on the internet. He went after game. And a former seemed like that was coming down. Then Dave Eddings came out. He's not the voice the claptrap in this. And that it was because they didn't wanna pay him. And then Randy tweeted, I was because he's disgruntled a bitter. And then Dave endings was like all right gloves are off. Here's like nine tweets about how fucked up everything is there. And that they didn't they didn't pay back in the day. But that was okay. And then it is. And then rain the assaulted me at GD, and it's been a fucking shit show. And we've talked about it just about every day though. It's like personal drama, but then encroached into the the news. And now it's in the new C can't stop it. Here's the update from amick. Can't at euro gamer your gamer has received comment from gearbox on the physical salt allegation. Made by David Eddings against gearbox CEO. Randy pitchford. Here's the statement in full gearbox takes any and all claims of this nature, very seriously. And we will stain from commenting on the allegations Dave is making because it is a personal matter. We appreciate David's contributions to the borderlands franchise and have. Continued to assert. We will. We would welcome him back into the mix as the voice of claptrap and other future opportunities end quote. That's the statement. Okay. Got it. I wish there was thing. We're investigating. I wish that was the claiming David tweeted before I saw this thing the statement yesterday. He tweeted like glide gearboxes taking the seriously. He's also he's all about the way. I also did report this back in the day. Nobody cared them. So who knows what the fuck happening? I could I would've liked to stronger statement of we're investigating talking all parties ending on the whole thing of like, we'd also welcome him back in the mix thing to say right now, you know, what? I mean, like a war. We're in the middle of these these allegations. I don't know if that's what we need to say. They wanna make sure that they're leaving the door open. But I'm just really not comfortable commenting on the situation. I have a longtime friendship, David Eddings. I have a lot of professional respect for indie. Pitchford? I don't know the specifics of relation. So I'm just going to not comment totally fair. I mean, that's the thing is I we talked about on Monday. Right. Like, if it wasn't the news that he wasn't claptrap. I probably wouldn't have ever brought this into our ecosystem. It is like I said to form. Friends going back and forth now in public, right? And now escalated to assault charge, which is assault allegation. Which is a completely different ball of wax. But once gearbox going to do and houses all gonna shake out or whatever. I don't know. I just wanna get I just wanna play borderlands three. We just play borderlands three everybody. That's what I'd like to get to. Can we not make sure nobody's being fucking beaten up in hotel lobby when they're trying to damage? That's update at least though from what gearboxes saying again, I wonder what it means. If there what what they'll do with this? But again, they're not gonna comment because personal matter even who knows I don't know. I I'd like to see that there's some kind of gearbox strikeforce team or two case right for steam investigating. But I guess that's a shoe far right now. Number five Sega has bought the two point hospital developer this personal over at Jian Sega has acquired two point studios as part of its searchlight initiative to voice students developed an release two point hospital last year was saying on publishing duties, but the new deal. Sees the small British studio brought into the Sega stable of developers which also includes sports interactive relic, entertainment and creative assembly. Two point hospital is set in the fictional area of two point county in studio intends for a franchise of simulation games to take place in the same world. Sega says the two point studios has multiple unannounced titles in development due to be revealed in the coming months, and so it seems sensible to spec. More to branded games, I know when two point hospital dropped everybody loved it. Like, if you're one of these dorks people were playing and having a great time Danny O'Dwyer all excited about him when get outta here loser. I gotta get some trophies. You know, what I mean did you ever play two point? I did not Stephen spun from gamers, recommended it. Never played it though. Sorry, steve. Fuck you Steve. Exactly, we got things to do destiny. Divisions hospital come on for hospitals. Good for them. Congratulations. Maybe single to a call number six communism. Need us to be successful. This is James bachelor of a games industry dot biz can has released its financial results airports for another year of growth. Thanks to a mix of mobile games e sports and the ongoing success of pro vision soccer for the year ended March thirty first twenty nineteen the company reported revenue is up nine point six over the previous year. And that's not why six percent operate operate of profit. Meanwhile, rose by eleven point eight percent profit before income taxes. Also grew up twelve point five percent while profit for the year was reported at thirty four point two billion yen a year year a year over year increase of twelve point two percent. Can I'm your reports this marks five five consecutive years of profit growth and the. Second year running a record operating profit as always the digital entertainment segment, which includes commies video games generated the most revenue at one point one one point two eight billion dollars. That's a seventeen point eight percent increase year over year from one point zero nine billion dollars highlighting the biggest success is in digital entertainment Kanani praise. The ongoing success of the now two year old mobile title, you do links which surpassing ninety million downloads the mobile version of pro. Evolution soccer, also grew its revenue. Thanks to fresh TV marketing in terms of consoles and games. Pez continues to be the big hit with that games. Online. Mowed my club performing particularly. Well, thanks in part to the promotion with the mobile version. When they will when they moved away from metal gear when they moved away from the castle veins, or I'll like, you're crazy crazy. And then the people like they got the pachinko machines. They got the mobile they'll be fine. Look at him. Now five years, they don't need us. It's like you just watching your ex. You know what I mean? All right just out there. Beautiful. Are you saying that you'll never play a metal gear again? Of course. Me personally or be out of that will make one personal. I was never part of the fuck Kinami like everything sucks. Like we have to like don't get me wrong. I didn't play metal your survive. Like, no, no. Thank you. Don't get me wrong. I think the company higher ups did Kajima dirty from what everything we know? What it's I want somebody to read the entire book about that schreier. I know you're listening. I think that there's a lot of fucking. I mean, obviously, you know, a middle your solid one of my favorite franchises of all time. Right. Like, I obviously could Jimoh personal friend to some degree not Jeff keely degree. But some. I think it sucks, but I also understand that like we talked. We talked about with the pitcher throughout the week right of like there are hundreds of people who bust their ass to make whatever metal gear game or whatever they're working on the best. It can be right. And even with survive, which didn't resonate for me. It wasn't like fuck. Then da da. This is we have the conversation yesterday of separating the art from the artists, you know, what I mean vote with your wall. The same thing we have all the time and I didn't play middle your survive. Because I just didn't like me you're survive when I played the demo of it. It wasn't a game. I was looking for so on and so forth, if they were to take in reboot and bring in whoever to give their own version of metal gear and do all these different things if they were to somehow, and I know it's impossible but put twin snakes out on the switch, right? Like, yes. I would wanna play all those things. I'd wanna buy them. I'd I'd be interested in them. Obviously wanna see how the games playing look and all that different stuff, obviously. But it's more the fact that can turn their back on a C, you'll never even get it. It's just gonna be a metal your pachinko machine. You know what I mean? Shit out of that. No, maybe probably by hope we got a big old office. We got a metal gear pachinko machine, right? Does busters one. Remember that goes busters one for Peter piper pizza, right one all the tickets that wasn't a pachinko machine. No. That was an arcade machine. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Someday. We'll have a warehouse bunch of arcades problem. Do you like, arcade games depends? What the game is. We could take time trying crisis for hours right time. The great really play it for a couple. We'd play for a week. I mean, we don't play smash here. That's because you guys suck. It came out. It came out week wherever it was like. Wanna I we play that we came. We played it for like a day and a half who's not anyways back to this Kanani still doing really well. Congratulations. Yeah. It'll be interesting. Whatever happens with me. Whatever happens with metal gear. Like, I think like anything else in the moment. Everybody was so riled up. And so angry. And you know, what I mean? But like if it was brought in I feel again, if I'm Kinami it's the same thing though, back to what we're talking about with EA inputting humans. I right. I feel if if I was there, and they're like, hey, we need to make a new metal gear game we're bringing in developer acts develop Rex's men are and I'm talking about person. Right. Producer director and director axes men a metal your fan their entire life like you. Greg. Awesome. Like, I would put them out front, and that would be the messaging, right? But I'm sure. That's not how Kanama usually rolls. Right. And that's not how I feel most willing assess not sure I can NAMI doesn't roll that way. And I would they be able to come out and say Yama huge metal gear fan. They could Jima means so much to me. I'm doing my own thing. We're doing our own thing in that kind of world. Like, I don't know if you touch snake our big boss or any of them like I feel like that would be a bridge too far. But using the metal your brand and either not rebooting telling a different story in the world. I think you'd get away with. But you have to pay reverence to what's come before. And I worry that who if the jerks com, you're still that a top. Are they going to put your boot on your neck and never say that to be honest? Greg. Whatever a lot of this just one for j just say you nail the Greg just say, you mail that grabbing very much, you know, who else is nailing people putting out new games. And I'd love to list them injury work. And I listen them why Greg would go to kind of funny dot com slash store to buy that amazing pride. Sure that you're wearing throw. I was waiting for my moment to sneak it in. Good good your job into Cortez. What's good pride? Shirt on anniversary stream this Saturday. Eleven AM Pacific ten to three PM Pacific. Time twist t such good games. Wow. To your which are too. But Greg if you want to know what was coming to the mama graph shop. She would go to the officials about coming across each. And every platform is about the kind of a game show host each and every weekday. Due to. Yes. Today. Life is strange to episode three wastelands on PlayStation, four Xbox One. And I feel like there's been far too much time between those episodes. I'm like there was a debate in here when we were talking about it. Maybe it was maybe it was me. Jan maybe it was me. And Kevin on was the last one is that right? But it was like din- episode to ever come out. And I'm like I did. And I was like I don't remember anything from. Back to competing. Do remember it? But like episode one at least I felt like had this impact to kind of just happened. And I was like, okay, whatever so threes that now for the king is on switch doling. Arcade is on PS four you who's Komi to on masquerader songs shadows is on switch lost artifacts soul. Stone is on PS four and switch monster puzzles on switch Macci night's blood bag boggles is on switch. I can is on. I can is on PC packs novas on PC for nice season nine launches today. Arcade archives hair forces out in these are all switching here. Then it's ascendance dragon snakes. We're talking about for the king Frayne dragons odyssey OTT over the top tower defense world end syndrome new dates for you own Rulli heroes. Comes to PlayStation four on may twenty eighth. A plague tail innocence comes to PlayStation four on may fourteenth. Battalion nineteen forty four leaves early access on may twenty third. The irony curtain, but irony like, not I r- is irony, but like iron curtain, but irony carton comes a PC and good old games on Thursday may sixteenth twenty nineteen Lawrence sword. Winter chronicle is coming to early access on St. may thirtieth. And then star sky is coming to the switch on may twenty third. Andrew. Yes, greg. It's time for reader mail. I I'm gonna tell you about our sponsors. Let's start with him a wellness brand for men. 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You can get wherever you listen to what could games are watching YouTube dot com. What's games perfect, delight? It's not on YouTube. It's only you forgot. We never did video for such a drag the camera over there wrong, Kevin's in the back room stand at the sticks. Wanna listen to day, we talked about the patent Microsoft had filed four a braille controller. With braille in the back it which I posited. How someone who's visually impaired might use it, and I mentioned Steve Sailer by name. He heard my cries and wrote him. Hey, greg. I heard your bat signal of sorts on kind of funny games Daley yesterday. Thanks for thinking of me. We're talking about. The braille controller fatten. I don't know if he's that. Like what I put it in used to know. Basic braille as I I'm sorry. I used to know basic bra as it was feared when I was a kid that I would completely lose all my vision. When my vision didn't deteriorate thank God. I didn't keep up with learning. Braille fluently that being said this controller would definitely help people who use braille. Oh, all the time. And even those who may not need it in everyday life from the brief information. I've read about the patent. You are correct in that it seems that will help with onscreen communication with other players, which is something. I've avoided in preferred communicating via only voice. However there are times where I do not want to talk anteks would be road option. So this controller would definitely help with that. Also, the ability to have a game sent haptic feedback to the player with what's happening on screen is something that I'm very interested in seeing how Microsoft accomplish I don't speak for everyone. However, if this patent does develop into consumer product, I'll be first in line to pick it up jeers Steve Sailer, the blind gamer fine on YouTube dot com slash noble, which a weird name because he should be the blind game. But also snowball very short. You know, what I mean, he has it don't lose it. You know what I mean? It's. It's it's easy to remember. Because he got easily, you know, he's like, no Bino. So he's like, he's all he's he looks like it's noble. That's his whole thing. That's what he talked about. He talked about that on the show. That's not me. He did tell that story told that story don't try to do this. It's like at the time we're signing off and called me able. See you later. Steve, right. Let me very much. Next question comes from patriot dot com slash kind of funny games where you pay an insured, right? Any questions? It's Geli brooms frequent contributor and the man who brought a crooked commission to Deb smackdown. In kinda funny shirt the other day and got on TV. Congratulations. Good job because with sucks. Gillies says good morning Greg knee injury. Mike questions pretty brief today as everybody's ramping up for three. Do you think next month Bethesda conference is going to be a shit show? I can't help. But think the fallout seventy six blunder is going to mar the whole show from any fans. Maybe the bigger question is how do you see see fumbled games that service launches impacting e-3 or press conferences, in general in the coming years curious to know what you guys think also congrats on the K F GD, showcase state, all of the galley brooms. That's right. Ladies gentlemen, should've put that out yesterday. We confirmed a whole bunch of stuff during that town hall. I told you to watch most important for you. We have date and time for the kind of funny games e three showcase you can come watch us debut Akasha cool. Indie games, a bunch of different outfits a budget releases at the time on Monday June tenth four thirty PM Pacific time when it ends or on YouTube dot com slash kinda funny games. That's right. We're only doing on YouTube dot com slash kinda funny games because we're using YouTube premier you can roll on over to our square annex pre show coverage, but I digress. Andrea Rene E three right around the corner. Yes. What do you think's gonna happen? Do you think as Gillies worried follows six is gonna mar the, but that's a conference now. Not at all. I don't think it will whatsoever. Bethesda has a very wide breath of p that they manage followed is just one of those I fully anticipate getting kind of an update about what's happening in follow it seventy six at three from Bethesda. But they've already said that they're going to focus on Dumi ternal. We're gonna get an in depth look at that. I am. Yeah. So we have wolfenstein young blood, which we anticipate to be there as well. I'm hoping fingers crossed that we get a I need peak at star field. I hope so no way teaser trailer CGI something a logo we got that last year kinda not really whatever though, they still tease like seven games that we're going to play twenty thirty thought they did the right thing. We'll ask you by getting out in front of people asking about them saying should we just working? I don't think we're going to hear anything about elder scrolls. Six I think that's way too far away. But I would like see something about star field. Hope they're close. Yeah. But maybe they'll do some more stuff for elder scrolls online. That's been a continuing popular game for them. Maybe we'll see something about either blades or legends. Definitely their mobile stuff. The scrolls online. They'll get enough date on there. I think I it's interesting right galley because when everything was going wrong with seventy six that was my question of like can't on our very reactionary. And it shows like how short everyone's attention span is in the industry, right? Where I was like man if it's this bad. How can you do a press conference? Eddie three everyone will be ready to tear, you part till Tich forks pitchforks torches, they'll be there. Ready to burn down the entire house. Right. And so much has happened since then not in just fall seventy six land. But in terms of the video game industry is a whole, you know, the latest update to fall seventy six we read about yesterday. I think on the show where they're adding players have their own vendor. Stands now knows different stuff. It's like again took them a long time. But that sounds more and more like the game people actually wanted falls six to be to the point that I'm like any turn that back on at some point and jump in and play it. But then of course, I wanna play the division. But I digress. In the way, that I think it's there to the point where they're going to be able to come out and do the thing I talked about right where it's like Cher. You. With do maternal or wolfenstein and with the other one, right? You have your big temples. Hopefully, you have some kind of in one more thing teaser that blows me away. But in the middle there, it's easy to be like. And let's talk about please stay ever vaults every six or it's just hot again. Right. And it's like I'll be right. Yeah. I mean talking about talk about seventy six last time. Right. Yeah. And you know, we love hides, obviously. But I think you could whoever you wanna bring out come out. And I think it would be a good look to have it be Taty last year. I sat on the air staff stood on the stage. And I talked about seventy six, and it wasn't exactly even have a little funny montage of fucking broken bugs or whatever or review scores. But we've come a long way, we've added this. And we've done this and ball on our commitments this game is unwavering. Here's what still coming. Here's the rest of the plan. Like, we're still very much making this into a follow game. You wanna play? And we you know, we hope everybody who do give chance. Here's a free trial announcement like I think as the theme of this show has been if you come out, and you are a human being about it right of like it didn't watch the way we wanted to. We learned a lot. We fucked up a lot. But we're. Under much space now, but this is been very good about the that messaging in the past. And I think that's a reason why one of the reasons why we have so much respect for Pete Hines, the head of their marketing there because he's willing to have some of those tough conversations with people without kind of mincing words about it, which I appreciate, but I I don't think the everything that happened without seventy six is going to more Bethesda passionate way. That you come out new deliver the message right here. You get to a Grainger stage of no seventy six is worth your time. Susan arnett. Our the last name, I always mess it up to and I've known Susan forever. Aren't you? Susan every industry. I'm sorry. She actively plays false six and tweets about follow all the time. Right. And I know there's somebody who on the suburb at that do so follow it. I think it is. That thing if you come out, and obviously in the chats do people going on if they show much of cool shit, and you have people who are still playing at being like now guys actually is way better. It actually has turned a corner. It actually is something that's either worth your time or about to be worth your time. That's all you need. That's all the messaging, you need, let alone the fact that if you're willing to go out there and take it on the chain and talk to the audience about it cool. It's a bigger question. I think in not even question because it's exactly what I'm talking about here. Just with less time for anthem and EA play this year. Right. Like anthems going to be one of the games. You assume they probably keep it all straight. But it's a no brainer. That's of course, they're hopefully going to be pushing a big update around the thing. Right. Like, you have to imagine. When you talk about any it needs to be. Hey. Hey, anthems, not where we want it to be. But this is what we've done so far. We, you know, we even that we screwed up pause this and did that, but you do have the ability with the latest or what at Secondly this update the timing in stays use them that hey, you can you know, you have to go back to the foraging have to go back to your home base anytime you can go into missions over and over like, we're working on this. And that you need to come out and deliver that message it's interesting because false Sixers had so much more time. So many more updates so much more deal. See attitude it whereas anthem is still in a place where I feel anthem still hasn't got. I don't see the corner turn yet. Hell, no. They still have some work to do for. Sure. Yeah. And that's the thing of how do you message that legitimately still talk in a way to excite your fans excite future players hopeful players. Well, I think they could maybe look at how bungee has evolved the conversation with destiny players and original destiny launch and say, hey, you know, we hear what you guys are asking for this is the roadmap. Let's be really clear about the. Features at that were working on. And I think that's the conversation. We had when anthem launch was at this game clearly would have benefited from launching an early access, or at least in closed or open beta to have a longer period of dialogue with people who are willing to help workshop some of those issues. There's obviously a swath of players out there who are excited about that. Who wanna help test off that stuff? Hitting the nail on the head from the first or second news story right of Andrew Wilson right of like work. We need to change. How we do it. And. Yes, anthem would've been so different. If it launched and it said beta if it said early access, and it was people like low time suck. Why can't I come back and do this? And then be like cool. Thank you. We're listening where we're at work on that. We're gonna change all that bovine instead of launching a state that was here you go sixty dollar if not more games as a service from by wear from a and people getting me like wait what the fuck like when you launch with that tag on. It's a different thing. And I think especially with games as a service, you find an audience that is so into that so into being we were there. I one it wasn't great. But now it's great and everybody should play. You just lose as injure Wilson talked about earlier in the show, the traditional marketing push of how you make sense of all that. But I think I think obviously he talked about today they've learned their lesson. And again, just talk at this point. But they've learned their lesson. Terms of. Yep. We're in a different spot with these types of games. We cannot treat them like. We treat Madden or how we treat Star Wars. Like, we have to make sure we're coming out and saying, let's learn together. Let's work it all out together. I think there's ways to fix that still for them. I think it's it's been, you know, more and more punched in the face over and over again, but if you can get out and reward players, and you were there I and here's the in game currency inherits changing, blah, blah, blah. But it's still a different thing for EA e-3 slash EA play to come out and be like cool. This isn't like uplifting segment. We're not we can't come out and just be like everything so great. We need to be like things have been rough and they're going to be a little for a little bit. We got good stuff coming and we're working on it. We want a little bit with the battlefront segment of last year's EA play. But clearly they need to go further, and they need to make it more of a dialogue. Then, you know, development teens speaking at the community is like, hey, let's talk about what the complaints. You. Guys are brought up and how we're going to address those visit amac's back to the Wilson's stuff. Right. Where I hope that this. Is fucking true. And I hope that that means is who rains are off. You can talk to your community in actually talked to them about what's happening where you're at. Why they're not getting what they want. But how you're working with it rather than a random read it posts it gets blown up here. And there. I guess we'll have to wait and see right. Kevin. Thanks, buddy. It's time to squat up. This is where one of you writes in patriot dot com slash kinda funny games. You give me your name username platform choice in. Why you need help in a video game. I read it here. The best friends. Come and find you the the dangling mic cord hit your thing over there. We got all these all these weird, namely all over the place knocked out earlier. Talking bear on this job. Right. Are we were talking about when we came in? You know, we miss cool gave me on this. Because there's no coasters. The table was a mess wasn't GD. Grace. Watching duty pairs watching right now, exactly on you. The fact that he doesn't publicity. This today in a barrister cooled ex rolling over in his bed. Wherever's thankful wakes awake. By now. He's thomas. Tom caz. Well, means hope on XBox. Xbox username is great Bri, Tom like Britain bride, Tom B R. I T OM two words. Great bright, Tom. He says level ten division two player played at launch. But then lost myself to secure looking to jump back in with anyone that's willing to play a low level division player. If you wanna play with Tom, and maybe Gary what on XBox go. Find them. Great bright home place him vision. Two with him. We talk about how what was your thoughts on yesterday's announcement. That your score saying five hundred listen to your conversation about it. And I absolutely understand. Why they made the decision that they did. And you're never going to please everybody. But I think with the way that they've designed tailoring your gear set. I think it's the right call to not increase the gear score because I was just talking about this with another team for a game that I can't speak about yet. But I actually was expressing my frustration with. Some of destiny twos events in that. I love the chase of this new gear set like I was chasing the revelry sets when that event was happening. But then it's so you're tasting that because there's no transmit system in the game. And I'm always going after the next light level the next light level that I get this cool stuff. And then there's no way for me to actually use the cool stuff that I got it. Great. Oh, there's new shit dump the old shit start doing. Yeah. Totally. I hope division figures that out because I would love the idea the same thing they haven't assassins transmogrify like it's thing that exists games. Thanks be able to say chains. Magi if we game using such such a fucking ugly backpack right down to I'm like, please. I had cool backpacks before it can is unlock that style. And I understand the recalibration system is supposed to be a step in the trans Mark direction. But it's not there yet, and it's not perfected. And obviously like the game just came out a couple of months ago. So they're probably tweaking shirking on it. But I think it was the right call for them to say, you know, what we have all these endgame players. Who are chasing the perfect set. And we'll throw a monkey wrench into that. If we add all of this new gear at a higher level because all that new stuff that dropped win in you got to world tier five those green sets. I've just been putting them all my stash keep dropping gear score so much lower than that. I would love to put a full set together and experience what six pieces of armor perks actually are like in a group setting going into a stronghold. But I don't know. I don't know either. Andrea it's time for your all refined out all the things. We didn't know and got wrong. It's pretty clear today. Remember, if you're washing live, twitch dot TV slash kinda funny games. You can go to kind of funny dot com slash your on what we screw up as we screwed up. So we can set the record straight for watching later on YouTube dot com. Funny games and listening. I'm pockets around the globe cog show says you said your games cast video video of days gone is different than a review, but the videos literally called days gone review. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant. You did. Sorry, if it was unclear I was probably moving quick through because it's conversation. We've had before the day's gone review. I was saying. It's different. What's different is the conversation players are having around as gone versus what critics are having with their review. I'm very much counting my days gone review as reviews, I said in that thing I played it and treated it more like an gene review. I have since I left I g and for any game. I'm saying that that is a review verse in sob sitting there being like we'll because of this. Because of that, it means that the game doesn't equal out to be great or whatever versus somebody who's playing it and says the same thing, but I'm having a great time with the game. That's different in my opinion. This. This. Oh, she shift out of the tips of her. Yeah. Nice. T- swing me. Stuck in my head right now. I'm pretty stoked. It's really good return to form. Even though as I said, I've been saying publicly reputation grew on me the older I got I took a couple years off me. Kevin Jen, listen to when we were going to DC comics that one time. Yeah. You do we are in the car. You film blog about it. We listen reputation. Once I never listened to it again until like years later, I was like, you know. Didn't bear. It was definitely not working with us. When we went did that. I'll thank you. Kevin thrown up the entertain Wigan? What? So what do we advertise? Just a hair is she talking about a new album or yes, she's talking about her new music dropping because like me is a great song. Kevin find out when tells with new album, John. Antibiotic just has to corrections. Greg. I wanted to clarify the last two episodes of life is strange to release dates have been announced. Oh, this was not what we are. Clear about episode four. Is this sucks though, episode four is the twenty second of August and episode five is the third of December. So about three months between each game. Yeah. No. I might just let them stack now because I don't even to sorry. Claim one go. No good. And then about confirms. I was correct. Steve has hosted kind of funny games daily twice. Ladies and gentlemen. If you didn't know this has been kinda fun games daily each and every week, Dan variety platforms. We run you to the video game news need no about if you like that head over to patriots dot com slash kind of funny games. If you went there today, of course in backed us at the silver level. You can watch us record the kind of funny games cast this afternoon, you could put in your questions for the entire month. You could have a great time. Remember, if you have nobody toss away Nobile, we'll be doing a rack to PlayStations state of play today. Three PM Pacific time, twitch dot TV slash kind of funny games. You could pop back over come to the games cast the second half, even though Kevin isn't like it. Too bad. We have to do. All right. We have to Andrus. Yes, greg. You're leaving us. You're doing games cast. But in terms of the games daily segments. You're not on tomorrow. So it's important to point out. What's good new episode tomorrow? Yes. Then Saturday what's good second year anniversary phone that's going to be so exciting in? Where's the livestream already? Screw this up. No. So you can watch it at you dot com slash what's games or at twitch dot TV slash, what's good games. It's going to be from eleven AM to three PM Pacific time. We're going to be we have a little anniversary video that the amazing pixel break put together for us. We're going to have a cool slide show. We're going to be a debut in our pride or what's against pride tee shirt that we're going to be selling and somehow Britney thinks that she's going to convince them or night to play five nights at Fridays. So I guess that's happening. Yes. All right. Well, gentlemen until next time. It's been a pleasure to serve you.

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We're gonna have her on this show to talk about that but I'm going to get my mom to meet up with her. Probably over the next couple of weeks and get those bags of her. We're gonna fill them up Not feel them up. We're gonna put some essential items in there and she's going to give them out and We're gonna see what we can do to make that every few months type of deal Happening especially for the shepherd's house I don't know if you guys have followed the page and seen me voice my opinions about Millenarian the way they treat are homeless. But it pisses me off. I'll put it that way. I i got called a troll own. The mount airy downtown historical facebook page for for saying it's a waste of two point. Five million dollars give or take. It was millions of dollars to take the overhead lines and put them underground instead of taking that money in a restoring the fucking historical buildings in historical downtown. Harry which is what it's supposed to be for and helping the small businesses out. I was called a troll and go fuck yourself because you don't like the truth so Needless to say how not said anything in the public from personal age in years. So yeah but that's what's going on Huge out to the team at that tax relief for jumping on that and getting those out as fucking quickly as they did super amazing job Wonderful fucking backpacks. I think i might have to purchase one myself. Have you got to see the quality of these things yet. I got older box and look real quick just to see what was in the box. The why would you get like a where he only got one. I was high when i ordered that. It's on the hike seeing the muscle relaxers. I had a hip replaced box. Real quick look at him but they did look like they were When he picked him up in them they were actually felt pretty Pretty stout you know like they're gonna hold. Oh so i'm sure made good quality stuff. 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I'm definitely going to get one for me Because i had to have a bag when i go out for a medical stuff and all. So but yeah. They're really nice bags. If you guys want one or you want to donate some go over to backpacks for life dot org check them out. Still got mccaw. Sorry i am bourbon off off the wait until it comes back to work so he can bring them in. And i look at it yet. Do they're fucking bad ass. I think you'll like them to. You'll pro. You're you're probably going to be like me. Wanna get one was pretty impressive pictures but like everything like especially something like that. I wanna check it out before. I actually make that call nor yellen definitely i definitely get that and i gotta say. I'm not disappointed if anything. It beyond exceeded my expectations. Because you know. I don't want to down any company out there and that's not what we're about But with things like this sometimes you do have to cut a few corners. But i'm gonna tell you right now. The company they had doing this in the fact that they have listened to people throughout The tenure of their nonprofit. And you know they've they paid close attention to designs of other bags and things of that nature it truly fucking shows and they give a fuck and you can see it just in the bags that we got like they give a fuck. You guys want to know where that give a fuck went into these bags. Backpacks for life ordered. Were that went. You know what speaking of those you might wanna check them out. Sue sergeant dog like there's some bad ass backpacks you might want one for For your hunting and whatnot. They're fucking dude if they're made for homeless. I'm sure they'll fucking be great for hunting. I will roy will there. There's pretty bad ass bags. They're they're expensive. But i can see why like they don't make a profit there a nonprofit. You're you're paying mad but they're well worth the amount of money that they they cost. So i know i'm beating a dead horse skied. Jesus fucking christ. I'm so amazed at these bags. I've had bags in the past. I mean so okay like. We've all been deployed all four of us and when you guys got deployed. You wanted to buy an extra bag whether it was a backpack or something aside from your sea bag right and alice. Okay well you usually before something that was of a higher price and felt good in the store where it was the walmart where the fuck you got it. But then you get in somewhere like germany or iraq and you start using it every day especially the shit we were throwing in it like through everything and then some like a put magazines like magazines that go into a rifle dick not playboy's not being housed I put all that shit all that. Shit my backpack and you know after about two months your backpacks already fucking dilapidated out. That sound like it. Looks like you've had it for fifteen twenty years I don't think that would be the case with these backpacks. I i seriously think they were made not just in a homeless Helpful manner but in a tactful way if that makes sense like attack full design The they recognize you know weathering an all purpose and being thrown around and things of that nature. So yeah when. I say these are some awesome fucking bags and you get every bang for your buck. I mean it i. i don't know how to put it so go. Check them out. Backpacks for life dot org give a huge shadow sold out and give a huge shutout to reds place justin from say scape and devi mu hobby mojave mojave. How're the fuck you want to say. Thank you brother. I gotta get you in an email. We got I that guy right there. Everybody goes bob and thanks to him whether it's owned the dd. Radio page on the podcast. Get huge sat out to him. If you're listening to this Thank you brother and again reds place in just in from say scape who also donate donated to get those Ten bags from backpacks for life for this year I don't know what the fuck is going on anywhere in the world of de other than devi radio because this twenty fucking twenty dude like do you know anything. That's going on anywhere And i know that. Hold on a second i gotta send this lean and get somebody in here I know that. I've talked to you guys about tv. Six and Going through some stuff with beer Giggling i spoke about that briefly today. he is in the works on that to get something resolved as far as Goings on the farm. I know that the veteran christmas shopping list is up on their facebook. Page so go to deform on facebook and you should see the The veteran. Christmas wish list. If you wanna purchase something for them for christmas as we do every year We try to put that up for all of our vets at the at the farm If you want to buy them a christmas gift As far as business outside of that. I don't know i didn't to it's in the west board meeting because a try not to forget dial on you guys and be shit going on So that's what's happening with the dv forum. That i know other. If you guys have heard something else only veteran humor page or you know you video on zd farm. Then go by what that says. take what i say here at devi radio tonight. December twelve twenty twenty grand salt. If you've heard something different okay. All right betsy. Ross is listening. What's up but you say what you mumble consider the who wants to but once he gets out sad that we'd have to close on a night sleep. The last time i went out. I say fuck close i just put a fun. Bedsheet over me. Fuck that noisy. It was eighty degrees out being any. So it's eighty eight degrees outside. And i'm already pouring sweat and my fucking sixty eight degree fucking room fun glues on on a not fuck address for five minutes flat flat buck. That noise As far as Devi radio is concerned. We have a special guest next week. I don't wanna mention anything about this other than they are a comedian no what all the plans are for This coup median yet. As far as if he'll just be a guest. I'm being the guest spot or if we're going to have him on the pool to our show next week but I look forward to having him. All he seems like a pretty cool laid back guy and He speaks his mind. And we're not going to censor them because back to before i'm really quick dot amazon dot com d. Your charity of choice when you purchase something for From amazon a portion of your shopping cart purchase goes directly to the dv farm at no extra cost or hidden fees and again that smile dot amazon dot com charity choice. If you need to shop online and you can't monetarily give if you do wanna monetarily giving you wanna give to the tv farm dot or click on and donate tap inside the donate tab. You'll see some things that say pay and by or whatever the fuck i put up there because i don't remember because that was like at the beginning of twenty twenty before you know everything went to shit before here. Ashim a twenty twenty four hiroshima twenty twenty. When you click on one of those. You'll be taken to pal Donate page thing. Whatever the fuck they call it now. Pay pals changes like google podcasts. Some out anyway. When you go in there you do not have to have a pay pal account when you scroll down a little bit. There's a little link. It says use your credit slash debit card. Click on it bitch yet. Don't pay pal account I get that question a lot. Still you do not have to have it they. Just scroll down. Once you're in there click on the Use your credit and debit card and you can give directly without pay pal account Those are two big ways that you can give I think our last quarterly check from amazon was like four thousand dollars. I know a lot of people say point. Five percent of your shopping cart. Isn't that much four thousand dollars in one. Quarter year do that. If they don't want four grand. I'll take for right. That is a month's supplies at the dvd farm supplies as it covers the month in cost. You don't realize how much point five percent is until you put it all together. S a lotta fucking money. But also facebook fundraisers Let us know about. we'll try. Share it thank you so much for those that do that. Sorry we cannot personally scout you out. That's not how facebook fundraisers work But when we get the check we tried to tell you guys that we gotta check but we can't see your name on sale valda dot com So yeah that's all the the dvd farm stuff that i can think of. We also had the roots recovery shirts still at the devi radio store all but one dollar We'll go back to the dv farm every month at the As soon as it makes one hundred dollars hundred dollars plus goes It doesn't gonna dollars at rose all over until the next month. That's the same with that. We do Getting back for charities nonprofit organizations things of that nature at the devi radio store speaking of the devi radio store. We got hoodies bitches. Bitched about that. He's fucking hoodies puck. Nba one fucking dicks fucking mansell's anyway got mine aren't spn l. on the days affiliate go Support devi radio bounced merchandise showing it off and all the money goes back to the Radio unless it says otherwise. Yeah and meg from liberty risk finally decided to join us. She's been very quiet this entire time. Talking thank you no problem. I was getting myself all situated. I got my chai tea. And i've got my dinner cook so i didn't want you to hear me doing all of that. You what you cooking. Which kicked your. I'm just making some chicken. Nothing special some plain check yard bird yard bird and some hush puppies and some tots for supper with some kitchen kitchen. And if i could i would have pizza rolls right now. That would be my dream dinner. But i don't. I have chicken tenders pretty much. What miss fucking bagel bites fucking. Gosh well we thought. I love croissants. And how many people hate croissants. But if you hate croissants you have been fraud. You're pronouncing it wrong it's croissant enough west saw on my phone but anyway my mom love making like pizza rolled. Whatever the fuck we can. All the time. And i was like hey. I got an idea so we made some. Don't fucking do it. don't do trust me. it's not the same. it ruins it. All it's good but you're like no. There's not enough unhealthy stuff in the homemade ones. It needs to have like the lava of more door from a swear to god. We ordered a pizza last night as dr eating it and of course take by of it at the hottest fucking moment that it could be fucking eaten and sure enough. I was like all the high as my mom's walking out of my room and she fucking giggled because that's what my mom does. She makes fun of her son. Her poor six son anyway at that point matter what it tastes like. Because you've just torched all your taste buds right and i mean my fucking gums. Were on fire. My tongue was on fire. My cheeks burning. I was like all. I need now. My fucking catch fire. And i'll be done. I'm good light when you go and you get yourself some hot chocolate. Well i can't get up and get that myself. Smart one paranoid mega dick god anyway. Gilady bears to get up and get it fuck. I don't know. I don't know everyone situation on like forget. Wait wait wait. You and i have taught at only about our situation to one another but i honestly forget even my own situation like i'm not supposed to have like dairy and pretty much a lot of foods and i will still have it and that'll be like man. Why does my stomach hurts so bad. Why do i feel like i'm going to throw up. And then i realized that thing. And i just sit there and suffer in silence. That's me. that's my daily life. I'd never know something's gonna kill me or not. That's that's how i roll like frosty Fraga drag out. New annoyed didn't have one this week but we are having when next week. Do you want give a teaser as what it's about. Yeah we had operations Get number who we had on there but somebody from operation mary. Louise organization up here. That's putting together resources for female veterans and alaska. Nice and that will be next friday correct. Yes so we hope so. I'm trying to remember because our schedules all fucked up since bo almost died and only almost died. Frosty was like fuck everybody and We lucky we even put a show together for that one. So so this is how fucked up. We all are never more tells me last week. We're doing a show for two weeks. These assholes do a fucking show on the eighth. Aaron approximately on the eighth sing live and I believe the guest. It says here is vanessa. Mead yes right operation. Mary louise dot org. If you want to check out you can also check out operation. Mary louise own facebook as well. And i'm sure that Frosty and point ken. Drop those links that i'm copying and drop into zoom chat for them because they're probably trying to find them now takes over easier like fuck you fuck. You not cleared off guard. I wasn't ready for them but Got drag out airs. Fridays when it does air twenty one thirty nine thirty. Pm eastern standard time. Because it's not daylight time right now. Eight it's standard right summer standard. I can't remember just it's time all right e- whenever you want it to be. Well it's fucking eastern not easter eastern. Oh fuck i don't forget grab your cup battleground coffee or coffee. Is it dot com right now. You broke off dot com for a second. Because because like when i start typing in you bore a coffee always monotype a new book bar coffee. Roasters that calm. Because that's what they're fucking. Facebook page says told philip when they dade. I can't keep it straight is uber bore a coffee. Or you pour coffee. Roasters but grab your. Dv radios blend of coffee from uber coffee. Every purchase goes back to the radio. And you help us continue going on and your support to veteran owned businesses bore. Coffee is operated and ran her own by two veterans. Andy radio is owned and operated by veterans. I mean to birds installing three birds. Because you're getting coffee too. I mean and it doesn't have no aftertaste. And as fucking good you ain't got ass shit to it and if your special you can go to the dvd radio store and get your tv radio cup to drink. It out of you can also got told The people who have the The little camping tin porcelain whatever the those classes. I don't call it a shot glass but yeah dick But yeah people love lows dude the people that have purchased them. They fucking love them. I was really surprised. I was like people are just going to be like. It's a metal cup who cares. People are like oh they ready okay mic. Thank you spend a lot of time on those designs. No fucking clue. I have to say metro cops so actually looking at getting me a A nedal thermos gotta get something other than this plastic because tired of tasting plastic. When i drink my water. Oh my god it's fucking turning. My stomach fought plastic flood plastic foot. Plastic dude yes. Yes she'll run in here. Now be the garden hose. Oh my god. Can you see a kid doing it today. Taking drink from a garden hose gotta get the believe about outside. Okay like three of you said something at once. Can you do that one at a time. Because it all sounded really good but it was all jumbo them Okay i said that they probably even know where to hook it up outside. What's a cigar. Say if i remember right the last time i did that. My niece had a connection. Fed is like you're drinking out of the hose. We used to actually take the end of the water. Hose depart where you would. Actually you know twist on the fucking sprayer whatever we would put it up to our mouth like we were flagging kane kane or some shit and drink the water out of it like we didn't fucking let that fucking water get out of the hose before we drinking it. Gosh on the you. Just sit there and you stand back behind the other guy with the hose and you're holding cake it so it's that they don't get and also let it go and you know. I don't think our water hose was not ever in the fucking like i don't think it was ever like rolled up and put on the side of the house or it was always correze. You go over there and you shake it off a little bit get all the fucking rock off of it and then you put it up to your mouth across the yard that who knows what's done that yard yep like in dog shit. Dan plugging dead animals and shit. Because your dog always pulls out a fucking carcass at sixty miles away. We haven't had any dead. Carcasses pulled up this year amazingly. So thank you for tiny dead carcasses this year and over yet a dude. Don't don't you fucking rain. That fucking shit on me bobby. Boucher fuck you. If you've never smelled go ahead. I was gonna say. I prevented a dead carcass today. So i did my good deed of the week. I think i sent you a picture of it. You didn't send me a pr video of it. All i meant to send it to you. While i saved a baby deer off the side of the road today then i got two pets. Oh i want to see that. You've got to send me that. 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See So i'm going to start with you wore dog. How has your week band and how things been going We we Talked last time you're on little bit about what was going on personally. That's always up to you if you want. You know talk about things that that re but howard things mentally physically emotionally. And how are you doing getting back into the swing of things. Because i know it took me a minute. After the second down that crayon defined the mute button earlier when you got in here yeah row. it's been a while right I have to say this week was was great. Yeah this week was great man Personally i did Reconcile things with my wife so Family still together wife and two daughters gale. We're still preparing for christmas and whatnot Had a blast for thanksgiving weekend. I was able to go out to a hunting land for four days and i didn't do any hunting Mostly i was doing a lot of muddying with some buddies of mine. We had like four to five of veal convoy and that really brought my spirits up for some reason man when i get you know. We all go through ups and downs as veterans. But when i get down i kinda die above ground man. I didn't say any purpose in anything and I really do much so i. I can't really apologize enough that that happens with me but i'm back men and i'm kicking. Well i'm i'm gonna tell you right now. There's there's no need for apologies fuck. You can ask only frosty. I have my moments where i won't say shittu anybody. I can crawl inside my little fucking and like you said. Die book ground weeks only at times. And everybody's like mo just having a moment mo just having a moment just let him be you know but I feel you one hundred percent. I know only can frosting bag and everybody here. We go through it. I mean we're humans veterans are not where humans. We're going to have those moments so no apologies. Necessary brother i'm. I'm glad. I know we didn't talk every day or every week but what little we were able to talk during those well as couple months. Wasn't it yeah. Yeah yeah. I mean like i said. I know we didn't talk every day. And i know we didn't talk every week but when we were able to talk whether it was me and you were you and frostier unco anchor. Or however our communication you know cross paths. It was good to hear that you're still kicking. You still breathing. You were still living and even though you were down you still had high hopes and at at what. I tried to tell everybody like no matter how negative life is you gotta look at the good sides to man. I mean shit. I'm plugging have krones in flagging. Have like a sixty seven percent chance colon. Cancer flagging almost died because of the ship. Five million times and and like i can't walk but i'm still like you know what i got. You assholes to deflect in fucking work and i gotta keep up with these dick wads listening and make them smile and laugh. you know. there's always good things no matter how bad it is. But i'm glad to hear that everything's going good with you and your family. I'm glad you had a four day vacation itself. Sounds like shit brother. Yeah man. I really needed to be in the outdoors again. Fill like a grunt and just be around friends man. You know i totally get that. I mean i i definitely definitely get to So as far as the war dog trails. Concern what's What's the plans their brother. Oh man i haven't done anything and monsod understandable. I had no. I had no purpose for a thought I have until the banners and signs ahead made in while we were out during his last out in burn them all into the campfire man. I i just kinda backed off everything. Got admit to you man. I'm really proud of you. That with your personality bro. You would never know that you go through things. You've always able to work the crowd and shit they up. Eat most of the time and i. I commend you for. Iran insists that lasts talking last year we had was an hour. Our struggle with hunger. I'll listen to the answer on the show that is that is right here on. Dvd radio like. Yeah now that ain't boat like an hour and a half after getting out of the hospital. So i really like. I don't even know fucking leg of rossi over there. Then he would say shit anybody on like is he dead like what the fuck. I don't think i moved at all after. I lay down that day. Dude i'm gonna tell you flagging last week and the week before we didn't have show the week before you know so last week i was like Do it do an hour. And everybody's like i don't care we'll go as long as you want. Pick an hour. We're going in our no more sure enough made it fucking an hour and i was like i wanna die on but i know out the acid thing comb about so so when you first started coming on regularly on this show like and people are going to in not remember. Probably they're listening but it was me you grow man owing and i think all the regulars were on but we were all talking about so. I forgot what it was and i asked. I asked you something and you go. Well man it's like this right here like did he come out a little slower than that. I can't do it like you. I can't but you got that raspy voice already so you add like an exhausted tired as fuck feel to it was like y'all man is like newsradio and i was like did you. Just fucking like triple acid. I gotta make should arrested a world that way but we're rely number one. It's funny number two. Your voice is so fucking soothing to sound like you just took a hit of acid that nobody would care. There would just be like this is the greatest live. He needs to do more radio. That's how it came about you. Whatever i'd ask you when you started out saying he oh man is like this right. Yeah i that's when i was like so. Did you take some acid before the show. And that's that's where it came from. All right. i got to lay off the blotter paper. No no no. We're smiley faces for your dog so Do you have plans that you'd like the brain the word trail back the do you wanna do anything Like that again like or are you. Just take things one step at a time as it comes at you or oh yeah. I plan on jumping back in and things Head on again man Stopped only thing. I've done with the camp. Doghouse was I think i told you about the town. I trim the Remedy out yet. now. I have some buddies that really want to because i i helped them work on their camps so they really want to come to help me build the camp up more. Not but yeah. I plan on getting back into everything. Last two trips. I went out there. I actually had my gopro stuff to recording to do anything. But i just couldn't find the will to do it man. You're gone i guys you shit see see. Nah i understand like like i said. There's no apologies needed. We all get a know our listeners. Get it. I know all of us at the new radio So never apologize for having to take time off for you mental health. Your family visit physicality emotions. Whatever if you need it fuck and take it. Let us know you know we. We want to make sure you're all right but there's no apologies needed rolin. None what so. Just call it a bad bad acid trip against troops gone. You went into a haunted house to acid trip and say a foot issue. I'm out but let's you know now but no. I'm glad yeah. I'm glad to hear everything's going good for you. Your family And i can't wait to see what comes out on the other end with board trail and things of that nature. Meg has been muted this entire time. I don't know if it's because she's shoving her face full of chicken or because she just doesn't want to hear us to hear her giggle. We here. I'm just like i keep it on mute so you guys don't hear me like sipping on or moving around or doing something but i'm sitting here giggling and doing my little. He and han over here. Look as as long as it doesn't sound like that fucking papers rustling in. Dvd six and has got them shit or flagging. You're pounding on your table. Where the microphones sitting like dvd six. Does we don't care. We care big hockey on tv. Six right now or you got a vibrator like google. I mean i'll call everybody or your sleeping going. You know. I mean hey. Hey hey danny on or you leave your dvd on yeah or or scares me or my dog. i'm sorry ask clarify dinghy. Deans must be your cell. Phone is yes. Yeah yeah unless you're s p than dvd is all nylon. Yes man they acid me at the wrong after dini dion. I don't know about you guys but actually phone alarms scare the ever loving crap out of me so i just have to keep it on silent times funny story. Lincoln frosty message me one day and they stopped out of nowhere so i didn't get any messages for like six hours. Then all of a sudden they start messaging me again. And i forgot what is ahead and my mom's and i dropped it because it scared to live in fucking daylights out of me all this so i can lean and i'm like what the fuck anyway. That's that was my heart attack from frosty anoint. Was your week bag my week. It was pretty good i did. I took a kobe task. I came out negative. You know failing monetize just like i have always been doing now So that was a good thing for this week. I had to like quarantine the beginning of the week so i couldn't really do anything and i'm one of those people that i cannot sit still and stay in the house like i have to get outside and plus like i have my dog with mazo. I'm that was not going to happen. So i was constantly like running around the house. I like soda pair of pants. I crocheted like four hats. Like i was still going a million miles an hour just trying to figure out stuff to do And i also found out that i got a ninety eight and one of my classes. I don't need to take my final. What's more exciting. I was pretty sure. I was going to fail that class. I signed up for it for next semester. Just in the off chance that i actually did and i was like oh shit now. I don't need to take it next semester. I'm just ballin congrats really. I've got to tell everybody so. Mexico you got cova tested. Let me tell you how she announces to me. She gets coexisted. Open not open. Open twitter to him. Because i got a notification said yay. And i'm like no it said i past. That's what it said. Pass unlike what happened. Past what is you is like my curb it saddam like you know at first. You're like so fucking confused by all this. You're like your mind's going fifty million ways at wants and all i could think of was gay and i sent her a gift with a on it like so instead of telling me. Hey i had to take a copay style passed it. He just say. Pass my test. Because here i am. I'm taking like i'm sorry. No i was thinking like it was like something bad. I forgot you might not said fuck. How did you sh-. I can't remember exactly. I have the time when i type stuff. My fingers are just froze. Enzo it's harder for me to type. So i just typed the bare minimum that i can have the time while still getting my point across. That sounds so weird. I'm sorry i try that in college. She didn't work out so well. You paper one patriot. Yo mama's laying. Down now i love you. See james Everybody's thinking good. Neither by they all went ninety nine. Oh my god. I love her trying to find this diem now. When did you have it done. I will tell you that i. That woman assaulted me. I was. I cried afterwards. Like i'm not even joking. Now is so painful like that was. I never wanna do that again. Because she did the nose swab but she shoved it so hard of my nose. I tasted blood. And i was looking in the mirror. I'm like oh my god she like. She punctured my nostril. I was freaking out. But like on top of that. I could not stop. Tearing like i literally was sitting in my car crying pretty much for ten minutes. 'cause i was in so much pain from it and like instinctually. Your body leans back and you like try and get away no. This lady shoved it as hard as she could into my nose and she was not gentle. She was sassy about it. She was just like i get in there and i felt very attacked like this is not very nice of her. You know what's funny is. Everybody keeps telling me about. This knows while they had. I didn't have another swab. Had a throat swab and strep throat. Test was worse than the fucking throat. Swab for the for the cova test for me like straight at that see. That's why i don't get mean. Why wear masks you know. They can't swallow the mouth. The masses there to prevent right shouldn't coming out in the your nose. I mean if you were to sneeze as well. But i mean so why. Why all of a sudden you fucking stab me a goddamn brain to the news. You know you can swap them out for fuck sake. May i can do. Dna tests all day long doing that. But for some reason you can't test. I simple thing but i wear massive public personally. I don't like spit or dna test. I don't like them because they can be so fluctuating. It's not even funny like i. I know someone who had a parental dna too and they had six different says and every single one of them was different. Like what everything. I'm not joking. And they were from professional places and they've done a saliva. Dna tests in every single. One of them are different. And i'm like how is that even possible. They all had different percentages and everything. And i'm like that's not possible. That has legally legitimately not possible. But they were. He showed me every single one of them. In every single one of them at a different percentage. And i'm like dude maury povich today right now light i feel sorry. I'm just saying i mean you know i understand why you would get one but at the same time i don't like them i there's some women would be like yeah we have. Dna tests being blood tested. Three times backed back in same day at once. Straight up spending must shit especially ninety nine percent of my ex's So so i get it. I don't still stand salah. Dna tests though. I'll never understand that. Net is probably the dumbest dna tests. You can take but hey whatever anyway Frosty you said. Are you still there or sleeping. I don't know if he came back or not You said yeah. I've never seen him say anything else because it's he's fixing his balls. They're made us know everybody. That's what i'm talking about Since he's fixing the snowballs. How's your week going not bad against recovering Got home last saturday from the hospital too. Quick little when our show and you know that was about an hour and a half after getting home but No not too bad. I mean. I honestly think this is probably one of the best things i could have done I guess the the pain in the left hip was getting to be just about as bad as the pain in the right and it was a right hip. That's was you know the one that was collapsed. Well really quick before you go any further the pain in my ass that you give me didn't get fixed. Well brother can't help it. We were day. And that's all i can say. Fifty fifty gallon drum from small don's zone dot com. Maybe pharma charity choice. K y jelly can get it right. Now don't ask us how we knew that if you haven't been listening to this show. Yeah i've been paying attention. You missed out and sorry right but Yeah i mean. I guess the pain in the left hip Soon as the surgery was done was gone. I mean there's no pain in that lifted anymore. the pain in the right hip is actually gone. It's just the surgical area. The like nice twenty twenty five inch scar. They got going down from you know butt cheek down to you. Know you're li- mean that that's it got staples in it and and it really doesn't mean hurt anymore. I quit taking a pain pills. And i'm just. I mean it's like a motherfucker. That's that's the worst part of it right now. Other the madman my week has been pretty relaxed. Just like i said taken an easy Getting up getting down. You know going to the bathroom walking on keeping keeping moving but we're not going running marathons or anything like that anytime soon. But you don't expect me to do that ever decade ago right but Yeah i feel fucking great. I mean it's like. I said the doctor the fantastic job like i said i kind of try to mess the nurses as much as i could while i was there. Because you know they're going to kovic it to and i'm sure they're tired of cranky ass. You know veterans coming in there and dealing with them and just you know everybody else. So i try to make them laugh was much as i could and i think they appreciated so we you know we had a good time our there. We talked about this briefly in the pre show. And it's probably going to make it to the patriarch podcast but During all of this you found out your left side was going down the road as you're right side and you had the same if not the exact equal pain on your left sad now with the hip replacement. You've obviously got rid of that. Hip pain aside from surgery pain. How has the paint on your left side. soup subsided or gotten worse or have you been able to tell you think you'll tell more as you're able to you know. Do more rehab her. I think yeah. Once i start walking on a little bit more. You know a flare up little bit but As far as they could tell from the last x ray that was done Park to the surgery They noticed that. Yes it does have awesome across in the hip but the actual Top of the femur. That were nice. Smooth round ball. This goes into your hip socket. That had not collapsed. Like the right side. Did right and you know. And that's that's the key you know as soon as it starts to collapse in in deteriorate basically You know it's done. There's nothing they can do As of right now because it is still formed. It's still hard n- it still round has claps. There's you know some experimental things they can do. They can drill into your hip bone. try to re stimulate growth and blood flow. And that's the biggest thing right now is blood flow to the top of that bone is what's nine. There's more blood flow to the bone itself. Somehow wait wait wait wait wait wait for now in my the only one that is not going to let it slip by that he said stimulate and bring blood flow back up to that. Bom i mean. Come on right on the stories. I love your in the stories this yes yes medical mind medical minds yes medical an-anatomically correct minds Yes anyway back to the de merode. That's in your bones. Oh yeah i mean anyway. We'll go back to the left side. I so anyway the left side is going to eventually collapses just like the right did. It's just a matter of time. So hopefully we can do some preventative measures to prevent that from giving away as soon as the rights. I did but as far as the right side. The dock actually took a picture of it As when he pulled it out. And it was all fucking deformed it was pretty gross. And then he actually dissect the bone itself that the femur the top of the head of hammer and dude. There were some fucking voids in their swear to god. You can stick like watts shit in there. I mean that's how bad it was collapsed. It was it was pretty fucking sick. I had to get pictures from the dock. Those other than my gallbladder being rotten. You're hip bone was exactly opposite of motherfucking. Rotten gallbladder it was full of fucking gallstones and rossi whereas yours was completely void and die. Yup yeah yeah. It's it's truly was as soon as i Surgery was in recovery. Like i said the only pain was right on the right side. Were they open me up to do the surgery. Everything else seemed to be back to normal and fine. And i was happy with it. So you know so far so good like i said Eventually will make downstairs that requires put clothes on right. That's overrated get you some j. b. weld. Just squeeze it in their j. b. weld buggy. I i got some garage. Try that next time. I actually use that for some models. Believe it or not. Actually if view willed once in a while but I got to tell you whether it's between you and me with going back and forth with the fucking. Va with surgeries and shit. I don't know who's had it worse but people bitch about trachea are bitch about the. Va but track here for. The retirees is not much better folks. Lemme tell ya man recoils talked about at length because you know he had the he had to do with his hearing aids and Holy holy fuck. That's all i'm gonna say. Fuck tried funkaway. The way the a system runs stop. Law billion fucking money at it. Fucking money isn't gonna fix it. You got to re fuck instruct everything from the inside out like that's the only thing that's gonna fix it and nobody wants to do it. They don't want to take the time to reconstruct the way. It's structured in the way things run. Then what makes it worse is. You've got one clinic because i run differently. You got one clinic that runs fucking superb without fucking missing a no new name it. They're fucking on the ball. Then you go to the one. That's two hours over and you might as well go to a fucking free clinic. That's open for four hours. Every fucking friday of every fucking third month like that's how bad it is and to knee the. Da is like a franchise right so all. Mcdonald's are all the exact same outside of regions right. Because you you've got certain foods in one region that region likes whereas the other region don't care too much for it but overall they run the exact fucking same so why the fuck can are fucking government. Not fucking do that. What the fuck governor ran healthcare. Everybody let's push for government run healthcare. It's great on paper. It's fucking great on paper. It's great on paper. Just like socialism and communism. It's fucking wonderful on fucking vapor at secured that and tell me how fucking turns out for you bitch. Tell me then how much you want. I'm going on a tangent now. Frosty you had a good week. You said oh yeah real exciting. Tell ben fun yeah down to pretty much me and one other person at work all week out of all three shifts damn son. What are you doing in killing them over there without fucking steamroller. I'm the dude. I made that fucking shot. That point sent me as a joke. Like you're not supposed to actually people so just to give everybody a perspective you you have some guys and and employees. That's been tested positive for the rona right. Yeah we had a handful that do that and out some out for testing and right. Yeah and i had to step away for a minute. I found out that i am now. The last man standing strongest link. Hey you know what. I'll just one. This revolt getting tested the longest. We need this. We need we need to send that to tell mallon's filmed make another season affleck and last man standing the rona version. Yeah don't fuck it in that. show you guys. If you're listed network executives don't end it calm the fuck on like stop. Stop ending good shows you motherfuckers. We got three million viewers bitch. You know how many three million fucking and people is that damn for me. It's been this week's bendix kind of an interesting because not only filling in for only on our shift which is a definitely well. It's not hard. But it's kind of a given a lot of stupid stuff as he can tell you i've also had to fill in for our full-time section lead and everybody else in the in the process and interesting got you well. I had an interesting wheat to i guess. So last week started the transfer The entwined chaos domain to another host. You would think going. Through sixteen different security protocols it would be instantaneous with a twenty four forty eight hour delay right wrong fucking get an email from the host provider that it was sitting on. We will wait seven days to make sure this is not a security breach blah blah blah blah blah. If you do not contact us by december tenth we will go ahead with the transfer of your domain bitch. I just fuck in done. Sixteen security protocols just have to wait seven days for a security protocol what the actual fuck n. What fucking dimension does that make sense like. Foot two factor authentication. We're gonna make you wait seven days. It's like i got locked out on my g melika not too long ago. Because i'm a dumb ass. And as i was typing in email i went to send it and my browser logged me out of all. Gl accounts so. I had to log back in. Well i got the one to my personal. 'cause i don't get on there much a lot self out. Well don't you know. Google decided to say. Well we gotta make sure to you. And i don't have. Id that says what my email is. That's only going to say about that. But needless to say. I finally got back in because google fighting louis was like. Oh yeah that's you. that's your up. He address bob. I'm like are you fucking kidding me like a week that have not been able to use my g mail and i've really had to use it for business and personal use and i'm like what the fuck we got transferred and i got to say. The new website is fucking. I love it so much. Better fuck wordpress. Wordpress can go fucking suck monkey dick. I don't care monkey balls. Whatever fluck word for us it's too it's stupid and what we got. Now it's a lot cheaper Per year we got our We finally was able to Incorporate the store on their own to the same website instead of having to go out of sight so now we're putting products we've got the The color shipka us free orders. They're out there. I think there's fifteen of them that you can order And then there's they're going out. Each one is a different color. Fifteen different colors teen. You get where i'm going with this So you can order those But yet it looks so beautiful man. I'm like yes. This is what. I'm talking about voice so well and nice and It was a headache to say the least and transfer it from one place to the other. Because i had. You can't just export import like many people think you can most websites. So i had to rebuild a lot of stuff and that's like a few hours that's all i'm gonna say about that But i got that done. Worked on some oscars aren't visible stuff. Got to talking to people to Use their lightness as some of the The characters So we can start casting that when we get the ball rolling on that building crew for that Let's see oh sabir punch. We seventy seven decided to show up today instead of you know on the fucking dropped. Think you fucking game stop No wonder you're fucking shedding hundreds of stores like no joke the day before the cyberpunk twenty seventy seven drop their like game. Stop issue statement closing hundreds of stores. And i'm like okay. Whatever that next day. I get shipping confirmation at into in the morning. Your shipment has left. And i'm like it should be here today not leaving today. What the hot and and you can ask off like my typical amazon order dude. It went from ups to fedex from the sixteenth to the thirteenth to the twelfth. And i'm like what what what. Actually it was supposed to be here yesterday and then it moved back to day. So i'm like the. I was so pissed. Unlike what did i pay for. What the pay for fuck. In having a damn aneurysm. Jesus fucking anyway. Jim show up service. All right ask so no. I was going to tweet this out the other day. Let me see if i still got it. no i do not what i was going to tweet out. I thought i'd say that. But what was going to tweet out. So i get a lot of stuff overseas to for entwined chaos Small companies. I try to support anybody i can and i try to get Deals on the stuff. I order because i try to order in bulk. Great and a lot of the way that they ship out of the uk and spain and germany. Everything goes through royal mail. Somehow i don't know don't ask me so how it goes through. Royal mail at some point. Royal mail will send out of country quicker than usps concerned inflicting country. That's impressive right. I mean yeah it may take a month to come from the fucking uk. But at least i get my shit whereas usps. they're like. Oh we got lost. They literally told us. It's lost package. They literally told us into the. It must've gotten lost bitch medicine. So don't die that's all you can say. What the fuck are you smoking. Sure ain't none of that plug in as that war dogs ago actually makes him go good. I used it all the smiling faces of put him on envelopes. They got a contact. But but no. I've not got on that jet so Bastards and so go ahead say they see that medicine. They're like oh anthrax. Throw it out well to beat on supposed to start a new chemo. from crohn's i'm not started yet whether you started louis toonsibility three months ago you. The doctor goes through an infusion center and the infusion center has been trying to contact the veterans affairs. Guess what the. Da has literally outright refused to talk to the infusion center. I'm not joking. I can't make this shit up and you tell me like they have straight up because i talked to the lady at the doctor's office the other day because she was trying to figure out who she gets to the it'd be like look motherfucking needs to goddamn medicine. I like trying to help me. And i was like sweetie. The only thing to do is call the pharmacy. I said i'll tell you what i need. Y'all do it. And that's all. I knew i don't touch this shit as like with the humira retouched it. They put it in. They got it here. Sir the injections a damn near killed me every two weeks or six. Lots and acquitted. She was like oh god. I don't know what to do. I was like. I don't either so We're trying to figure out. Why the fuck. Va won't talk to them. They literally refused them They've actually spoke to the people at the va. I don't know what people. I'd say the people because she doesn't know other But they said they flat out reviews to talk to them about my much rate nuts about my medication. Anything about my infusions. And they have not answered calls. They denied calls. They've refused outright on voice calls. I'm like fight as a yeah. I'll let you guys know. One start my. Can i add too late. Replies was that. And i add too late replies that i forgot to chime in on go for it For one meg. I on the back for dealing with a nurse situation as well as you did. Some reason i have a reflex where if someone hurts me i tend to hurt him back so I really appreciate you not gone awful. Now woman or Doing anything worse because kind of pain. She put you through a crime like that. I couldn't see myself not retaliate. Think i might have actually reached out towards her to push her away by the time. I opened my eyes. She was gone. So but you'll didn't calls hell to rain upon her. That's his point. If i had if i had reached her at probably would've been but you know she is alive and I know you've been dealing with those pains for months man I only have three rods and my hip so nothing near as bad as what you. But i'm i'm glad that You finally out of Much excruciating pain is urine before. Oh yeah man. I mean like i said that chronic pain versus surgical pain. I'll take surgical pain all day long. Yeah totally different in. Just you know you know. It's temporary you know what i'm saying. You know there's light at the end of tunnel that chronic pain. You just never know when it's going to be in totally man here here definitely We gotta take a break. We don't have jobs in the news tonight so Yeah just wait on the other side of the break. We got some stuff we got to tell you about. Tv radio in the new year's eve slash new years Get together it's barracks party on that day december thirty first into january twenty one. Listen to bear all right here on. Wwl radio dot net. We'll be back at her. These messages. have you pull started your girlfriend's it'll beats like a long more do you have sperm dripping from the wrong hole in your head screamed at for putting it in the wrong. Maybe you need. Dvd radio sex. Ed classes that's dv radio out net the only place for the right way to have sex with disparity at gw taken seriously further. How many of you as you make your because you're easily ended now. Is that something about this condition. Mother's spread is on the market. Typically civically limit preparation manufactured especially for abuse butts would use daily helps prevent leading leakage bernie promotes healing. Ed in general keeps your but in tiptop condition burning when it's needed windy with talk. Only only we are back on the air here on. Wpro radio dot net with barracks. August the last portion of the show Boehner were. We still got frosty. Aren't meg from liberty risk and sajjan. Woodall vogg with us. Yeah so so. Marius all the sex ed. You'd have you heard that linkman around and have you heard the one that done no second. You've not heard it. Let's play a really quick. I mean. I've got them all right here. Let me see a remake. It sounded better than usual. Nope right here. Here's the links to the midem. Devious week i know what you're thinking. Eighty any ask them and they can be if you're lucky devious. Two begins with anal sex zero one seven next year trying to get ahead in life. Oral sex zero four two. You're calling for advanced inslee. Don't want him just explode. Is the author of venus tantric sex. Are you lucky bastard. But can't find anyone sticky self love story with rosie palmer five sisters joining you put your p. Or whatever makes the veterans only right way to have said yes we do. This is w taken seriously So we had a. We had a story one night on a junk in the news about. I think it was a harbored sex. Ed class or some bullshit and it was stupid. The article was fucking retarded so here like you know what let's make sex that parody heads so we asked the listeners to give us some ideas and we use a lot of them I took some creativity with some of the wording. All the numbers that you hear in the one that just done their sex positions. Oh yeah put the v. Or the whichever you prefer. It's so that don't ask me to create anything. You will be severely disappointed off. Oh my god but alluded to earlier. We are having a years ease last new year's day these thirty persons who january verse twenty one barracks part air right here on. Wpro dot net. It'll start roughly twenty two hundred eastern. That's ten o'clock for you potatoes. That don't know what the fuck a twenty four hour clock is And you to tim. O'clock's fucking dumb as the clock and only goes twelve but so we're trying to do a little bit different With the celebrity tribute this year As you know every year at the end of the year put a tribute together for all the celebrities that died that year. I won't you guys to let us know who you won't end the tribute There's a post up on the radio Just put one or two names. Please don't put more than that And you think there's only three right. Now i think somebody We've got three different People That has commented on that post or for that post so let us know. Well try to fit everybody in there as much as i can. i can't do a lot of music stuff because that's hard to create a quote unquote visual sentence as i try to do with all of my Stuff like that with a song But i will do the best. I can with music artists We try to also name off names that are in the tribute as well as those. That didn't make it into the tribute for whatever reason I will do doing those at her. Sometimes after listen to it. Because they feared i heartstrings. Like let's say you you make you cry. I'll do it. I'll fucking do it. S meg so. I just happened to sniffle at the exact time. I'm crying well. I was alluding to the script that you put down. Oh yeah sorry job so yeah if you have a celebrity that's died in twenty twenty not nineteen fifty to put their name in the comment section of that post on the radio and like i said we'll try to put them in there in the tribute Please do it before. December eighteenth. Because i gotta pull all this shit i gotta make it sound really fucking good and you don't know how long i work on these things so don't come at me on these number thirty. I i would like for you to put this in their bitch. It takes longer than two seconds per seminary so I'd love to see who you'd like in those In that celebrity tribute for twenty twenty Let's see what else if you've got an email from oink or frosty four that please answer him. Please please please. If you didn't get an email sorry we try to get everybody. We could email him or frosty. Please please please We won't have fun on that and we're just gonna kick back. Try to reminisce on the good times the bad times and Hopefully bringing in a good year not entire So so yeah it'll be. Hopefully it'll be a lot of fun. Hopefully meghan billy and hugh from liberty risk. Join us even if it's just for a minute or two and if some if they can't We always we always ask them to Give us an mp three file and we'll play during the show talking to you guys or whatever they want to say they can say fuck off. I don't care we just wanna have It'll probably be us just yelling. Something like you'll probably be kind. And billy will probably be yelling. Something like stay salty and then they'll just be me like I'm scared i'm scared. No that's that's fun but we we try to have as much fun as we can't on that on that night and i'm sorry that we're always behind or ahead for the whole countdown thing. We try to balance it out right. It's not real time for you guys like us. We tried to do the best again. We're on the east coast. Whose fall is that your own fucking alaska time like. We're sorry that you decided to get as close as to russia as you could all right. You're the guys that wanted to be communist. All right and live in america org but Yeah join us that night. That's december thirty first into january. I like i said. We'll start around two thousand two hundred ten pm eastern time And we'll go until quote unquote the ball drops at midnight and we usually go about ten fifteen minutes after that. And then we close the show Like i said we just fucking hathaway at the barracks party. There's no agenda just to make you guys have fun or have you guys line laugh. Cry remember the good times. So that's that Don't forget patriot. Dot com foresights. Dv radio if you want to join that. Don't forget we got dv radio store. Don't forget there's a lot of shit over there that goes other organizations like devi against dvd farm road to recovery pt s. Dogs t shirt. And i think there's something else. I can't think of it hard luck hard-luck automotive that's it No new merchandise will be added into a shit start selling and the store will be up for another year because i personally paid for it so there you go Any other thing that. I'm forgetting winker. Frosty as far as business slash news slash blah blah blah is concerned It's not that i can think of. I think you've got it all be honest with you because i know Betsy sir pampered. Chef is done dv forum Man they really yeah. I'm not reading about that. you can go. You can go rent on facebook and twitter. nca skate. i'm not ranting. I promise you guys wouldn't do it. So i'm not gonna do it. I i really want to. Oh fucking believe me out Got a little taste of it today. Yup yup Saying it until now agree. I am not. Let's just let's just say this blow loathes fucking hypocrites yes. I'm sorry i'm going to say about that. I might talk about it later. Show but not tonight. So we'll we'll keep you happy and and fucking shit but yeah checkout skate. My list of shit and not finding much go. We'll go check. Go checkout say scape android device where you can sign up on skates. That's here big are one of the Safe scape dot com. You go through i. D dot ni. If you're a veteran or a first responder to get identified say scape doesn't give a fuck about your information they don't want see your fucking encrypted messages they just put out a screenshot of their encrypted messages. That me knowing got to like an experience one on one and Personally hilarious So it's completely save those censorship other than you know. Don't break the fucking law. I mean how hard is how fucking hard is it not to break the law. That's as simplisafe escape. Is you get beat. Who you want to be say. What the fuck you want to say. As long as you're not breaking the law they don't give a thought it stat simple. They're not changing they. Don't make a dime off of it. The only way they keep the lights on as if you purchase a premium account or plus account. And that's it. It's like five bucks a month or some shit like come on support them. They don't get paid for it. They do it out of the out of the kindness of their heart in the fact that they won't to do this for you. They're veterans they uphold the oath you know freedom of speech all that good shit and they believe in it. Check it out if you don't like it. Delete your account. it's completely deleted. Leave if you like it. Share it to your friends Family members people. You know that you know company. Wise organizational wise nonprofit wise. Tell them so they can come see what it's like telling the help push it. Because they don't have multi dollars in the bank. Damn in florida. Say come over here because this is the best place ever high away. I you guys have got and then everybody over there and then you only see influencers like you control. What you see is in your feet you seeing nothing in your feet until you follow somebody how that works so saves gate on your android or west of ice skate. Seascape dot com deformed or mada amazoncom. Dvr military to choice de radio dots door patriot dot com ports. That devi radio. What else the fuck am i forgetting. Objective zero at. Go check it out. There's someone there twenty four seven. There's an ambassador always willing to talk to you male or female. You get to choose anything else. I'm forgetting Nope you all right so really amazon. You use mild on amazon dot com mc dvd store or the dvd five. Oh i just said that and you fucked it up. roughly. I fucked it up. What else is new frosty. Fucked it up. If you didn't know you can go to our podcast page. Look up frosty fucked it up and you can listen to our one hit. Song wonder frosty collected out literally per news by me. Mix yet produced by me. Vocalized by frosty and nevermore. It's fucking great. It the best three minutes in devi radio history and you stretch to three fucking minutes. What can i say to you. My mind never shuts off. I think the hardest part was getting your voice so it didn't sound like you're in a tin can with barry white like back when i was using fuction pia del me so really. Quick sergeant word dog. Is there anywhere you won't people to go and find you follow you at and get ready for what's upcoming yes I can always visit sergeant war dog. Tv dot com and We're also on instagram. Facebook twitter snapchat and patron go. Follow bitches miss nag. It's your turn liberty risks. What do you want us go. And so we have We're going to be taken off for a lot of the holiday season but we do have some guests coming up on our shows. We are mondays and thursdays from seven. Thirty to eight thirty eastern time It is me. Billy and hugh and we kinda just go over. Different resources. veterans may need on a vocational occupational mental health services. Kind of cover at all You can find us on facebook We are also on youtube. And there's some other thing that i don't do all of that billy does it. So he knows where we're streaming too. But i think coming in the new year that we will be on spotify as well. And the podcast is ran live so you can actually see us and you can heckle us at the same time and we love it so much when you heckle us But it's it's there so that people can ask questions if they have questions for say. We have a mental health. Counselor coming up in january. You can ask her questions So we have in your voice when you said we love that you heckle. Us is fucking hilarious. I say that. Because generally i get heckled by people like sometimes i'll get somebody who comes on and they won't say anything any other time but they'll come on and just be like hi. Meg and i don't know if i should be like hello to you as well like grandma. Don't give them that satisfaction. Don't do it well. I'm kind of just like we skip over at ever notice those ones too often. Because we're like. I don't know if this is just somebody trying to get meg attention or what we do actually Start heckling you with that. Just i make. I make a mike obviously sound please like i really wanted to. You could but i mean you can come and ask questions We do have linked tree. It is on our facebook page. You can find us at facebook dot com slash liberty risk. Podcasts not knee liberty and night the liberty risk. It's just liberty risk. Podcast in a lot of people seem to get it wrong but liberty risk podcast and Oh we're also on instagram and twitter. So if you look at all that we have a ton of means that are up and you're welcome. Because i post all of them. I do a lot of the social media for the site. So yeah totally. Put down the other day just so you all know. What would you say ruin. Everybody's fun ruined. Everybody's flynn that's your fault getting of show. It's all your fault. i the fun verner. I'm always so serious. Or you have to explain something. Because i'm just too. I'm too stupid to know what's going on half the time. I'm like wa. Simple-minded is not that bad as long as it's not like i've told you this thirty eight million times. I'm telling you for thirty eight million at the time and one as always as long as you're not my cousin and us explaining how to mow the fucking yard which point knows about god perfectly fine with repeating myself. It's it's funny. Because like i might be kind of simple-minded but i'm definitely one of the more smarter people that you will meet in real life. I can tell you that. Yeah definitely not stupid. I mean yeah but you'll hear me talking real life and you're like wow. This is an intelligent person. Next second you hear me go. Doug oh big luther who cuddles and your dislike this person that idiot use sometimes because sometimes i'm like fucking two year old but anyway proc- last words for listeners. Sir check out your brothers and sisters check on yourself. A few hot need help or any of them need. Help reach out as bo mentioned earlier. We've got objectives zero and all the other places you can reach out for help. So do it using motherfucker get. Don't have them get them in -cation need them with somebody else does case you missed the folks army beat navy today. Just wait wait. I gotta give you the reason why google told me the reason. Why is because the navy has somebody named faggot on their team. And there's gonna put that out there. I i'm not joking can look it up. That's only say about that. Because you know how far i can take you. You know far. I can take this. You'd know how far. I think this so not going to do it but go ahead of figured i'd throw that in there. You know because you know. Meg and you know i'm sad. Now we've been we've had a good streak and now it's ruined. It's all paul dammit fag. Dan going to hell magin if he makes it to the nfl they would. He'd have to change his name. Like say you just want to put them on the same team tech titan faggot to see it now. Every team politically correct for ten yards. What he's got the centers. Get a hold of it and the whole the whole game sweep fag all like jodi your team. Gosh i need to stop stop. You guys are ruined in it. Stop going to do it. Stop sorry didn't mean to bring it up. Thank junior is continuing his father's sportsmanlike shit. The navy's anyway. Anything else frost. He's already said you know. Be careful the holidays. Holiday season is coming up so Just be mindful your brothers and sisters and check on them frequently. Please one thing really quick. It sucks when i read read as read and not read so i have to reread read as read so i can re read correctly. It can make sense but for meg. Joint rossi sergeant war dog everybody else. That couldn't be here. I'm not going to get on the fucking list. Because i do it every fucking weekend. I'm fucking getting tired of it Boehner would you just heard berry sock right here on w. dvr dd radio dot net until next week but sickles is up on facebook radio.

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Connected 264: Trash Forever

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Connected 264: Trash Forever

"My name is Stephen Hackett I'm your host I live in the south so my voice is different from that my co host I'm gonNA introduce them in a second I'm going to leave them hanging out there I'll tell you this hello and welcome to connected with follow up I I follow up good it's fine really batteries good the installation process is still terrible honestly but it's fine pretty mediocre battery life some people have reported a pretty good increase in battery life by restoring the watch and setting it up as new last week point one Beta is really what is going to to make this better for everybody that'll be out at some point I'm not going to put a Beta version watch os on her watch because that process is really ski there's not that much stuff right it's not like setting up a phone so maybe you'll have luck with that it does seem like more people have reported that the watch os INCON- we're an international show you say I'm from the South well you can if you're American centric like many people in the world are Sir series three but it's way better than it was so you may have luck with that it's really not too bad to restore watch from nothing I just I one issue a few days ago I was out with my friends at dinner and I noticed that there's a few minutes ago is that restoring made the watch battery life acceptable but not great like I think she it's still not as good it has to wait till last Mike how are you I'm from the south to you're from the south of the North Pole I'm I'm in the south of London very but it's hopefully coming so you may have luck if you store and set up his new it seemed to help her I don't think that's a guarantee I'm not case you just said the South the American find right who said it we're only doing this because of what well but that's the that's the problem you need to accept the ever the Americans they don't pin me don't pin me down this show has two-thirds move on the first point of follow up involves the Apple Watch we've been talking about this I don't know for two years now about how the new watches seemed to have how you produce podcasts very strange couple of days coming out on the show strangest good we like little bit strange around here who doesn't we are going to start I mean clearly this is like some weird weird softer bug that affects people differently and hopefully apple has a fixed for it out pretty soon I've been running the point one bidder. I promise that I would do that to my wife's watched we just moved her Komo series three to series five and us as restored it from the backup because pretty easy as a sidebar that whole process audie unrealized it doesn't really matter because I have my phone with me so it's definitely not like like when you're in a place with poor reception your fun would start draining nice to have the watch and iphone out of step though I I I think if you have a watch Beta you should also be running the the battery faster because the network absolutely but that but that doesn't it's not like that with the watch the watch was fair to my phone so I have no idea rica hi I'm from the south is that is that anything I don't know it just it just came out and it's an odd episode next week so this week the watch stuttered draining the battery faster than usual and and so I thought Oh it must be because there's poor reception here but then I thought current Beta version of Iowa that's what that's what I thought too but I've never done underscore told me that once like the you shouldn't I mean it's not an impossible better than it used to be because the health suffered with cloud now so you're not going to lose things like way better than it used to be and the way that she put it to me you said it's like was it the season you may deny there wasn't even decision it was coming out of my face something I don't know what's happening it's just you'll brain made the decision yeah very wipe deputy killer night watch was draining the battery faster but that was the only instance maybe was doing some weird things that day I have no India about otherwise he's been okay I'm not suggesting that you put a bit Murray's watch no that seems that does not seem like a good idea to me fire so you have to discount the first point date because they just fixed a so called Jeremy let me present you with exhibit A. Your honor non-american hosts is true about take that any talks up the reality that other continents exists I accept it who do you think you're talking to I don't even know how you do it does the phone have to be on Ios Beta no to the developer website on you not supposed release Beta I think it's possible to stay behind but it doesn't really matter for me because I'm also on the thirteen point two Beta hey where's my emoji about your Emoji I feel like we should have emoji thirteen point two so maybe we see this sometime next week and there's a thirteen point two Beta that includes them for the first time it is it's about right don't they own unstable on a stable release and the watching a bit and vice versa before I think it is allowed unless you're doing things like let's say for example you're keeping your twelve on the world wouldn't that be a good day for everybody which by the way the new emoji means that were soon gonNA play a game yes pretty soon right yeah so I think that it is a is definitely due any day now maybe a could beat today could be news today I haven't looked I promise you guys I wouldn't look at the EMOJI preview a few months ago and it didn't look I think I only caught agree have you been good kids I have exhibit to your honor as we're doing now because I started a so item I'm not I'm not saying I'm not just trying to really unnecessarily correct you I'm asking the question really did it once yeah going to do like I think you can do it but it is advised not to do that like to have them kind of in lockstep it's advice but I'm pretty sure that that my maybe he brought the Emoji to maybe I'll maybe he has to hand deliver them here you go now is this sometime Oji read the contract my friend in twenty eighteen Iowa's twelve point one had new Emoji and that was announced October second so it is time now where you're too you're too early it's usually the the point update like third already have one of those but I always thirteen was a dumpster for the new Emoji and there's always a period wearing remigia broken for other people dental one token about so maybe there'll be a new thirteen point two Beta or maybe it'll be thirteen three eight point five so in twenty seventeen in October October six twenty seventeen apple announced IOS eleven and you WanNa put on the phone and you want to watch a six on the watch that is not possible because you're likely to thirteen but for point you have any deep fusion that we want to address here well it's more like Tyler explained diffusion to me the thought that yeah get ready everyone you know what Emoji means it means because getting a tattoo of these three modes that the camera now supports but only one of them is not actually shown in Dui which would be fusion so that was a fun conversation and was browsing instagram yesterday and I noticed that Mr Jeremy Burj is in America yes at Mercury's maybe that'll become out fifty weeks to or maybe it's like it's always like point to point to something like it's not like the tends to be a friend Tyler stolman on his podcast episode sixty six of the Stolman podcast there is in my cue have not made it to that yet but how did that go and a to my memory the base does never has the Emoji in them like it just putting the GM is that they do because we always in episode point one with new Emoji my point it is both point one and October quit interrupting me your honor so court it's not listening to you know Tyler's recommendations and I've been working on something related to focus that's being re glimpse of a couple of them I already forgot honestly so I am completely new to what is going on with Emoji these year that whenever possible all my teachers are using diffusion that's unfortunate because they really liked the idea of having these extra data available it should be ready very soon so fully we're going to talk about it in the next couple of weeks is all I'm going to see and be out in the very near future two hundred thousand words it's see it's not gonna be that long elite challenging for me and he took a bunch of time in organization and I know that sounds it's extremely vague right now but it should be tax wise so famous last words buddy I'm excited to see it I uh-huh until I'm guessing the iphone twelve all wherever this is not going to be possible because the two features cannot coexist so I've been eared mode between like night mode is going to go off but it's still like too much light for that sort of that zone where I think we're GonNa see this the most often is like just shooting in our houses right like taking a picture of somebody yes at the dinner table like that I'm excited about it because there's pictures always look sort of just okay but it's like an interesting disable shoot outside the frame for that benefit even though it doesn't make me sad because I I do like the idea as you said of having that data there but I think deep fusion is I have not put the Beta on my phone I'm just sort of a retired wearning Betas at this point but I am looking forward to seeing this is because it's in this okay well actually federico you have been on a deep fusion world tour explaining deep fusion to everybody so you hung out with it's sort of a clarified for me a lot of a lot of the challenges that I've had with the camera APP so way like these are the photos are most important to most people right absolutely which is just very simple win out for most people which is why I think it's off by default because I think most people would benefit more from deep fusion than being able to crop out a little bit it's overruled hey I'm the chief ricky so I will speak when I wanted to call me your honor doesn't grant you judicial benefits so I think I think Mike Thirteen point one I think you can just discount because thirteen so bad and the vet on every device so my assumption would be that would be so she'll be fun it's GonNa be great I'm so excited I this is my one of my favorite episodes all year we did at one time right it was still a favorite and that was our I understood a lot more about what it was he did a better job of explaining the benefits of deep fusion and facilitated sounds bad the best way to ensure your data is encrypted and can't be read by using express VPN it's super easy you download the APP on your computer or smartphone but if you've ever used Wi fi at a hotel or someplace in public you're sending data over an open network with no encryption and that SORTA scary because they didn't do much explaining now that was a fun conversation especially because I I have the thirteen point to bid on my phone but it wasn't really bad people can bypass Wi fi security and get your information by exploding flaws like crack which is a key reinstallation attack I don't think I understand that but it's express VPN is the fastest most reliable and they're recommended as the number one VPN provider by Tech Radar and see net Yvonne let me tell you about our first sponsor that is 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Hey guys listen to this listen to this sure how to understand like when is the fusion being triggered than like me was the way to think about diffusion and night mode and smart HDR's Oh by a friend of mine's business and was on my phone and I connected because his public business or bunch of people they're gonNA make sure that I'm safe and sound with the some short videos on Instagram I do not yet have enough thoughts to show I have not been I enjoyed watching your stories about it I will say we'll get into it but my initial impression is that that front outside screen just makes me sad instantly will be better about the future version and that's what it is that is even more than the inside screen right which is levied on one last thing on diffusion I just wanted to recommend a youtube video that I really liked that helped explain it to me which was Theo d today morrison he did a good explain the video kind of okay if you're describing his channel you should because he does a lot of apple stuff but he key covers other stuff too I just I'm a big Fan me to Israel Nice guy just photos like around the dinner table or whatever like these are the folks that actually matter to people totally it's that I think is going to be really fun at I will review let's say it'd be like we're which was great great job with that thank you very much I hope I can do it a good enough job again okay I'm excited to to hear more about it of criticism I am in complete agreement with you that the thing that will improve foster is the outside screen than the inside screen because it and free all has google Docs updated to include multi window support no yes has it don't do that to me so excited Rienzi review I will share a set of thoughts which are mine in let's imagine kind of like the TV tablet and then you just use the Internet as you normally would you simply click a button in the APP want Iowa it's even wired into the VPN switch and settings and you're secure look it's just the week of tiny topics and the one giant topic we're not out of the follow us on yeah this is a lot of little things this week and then one big thing but before extra months free with a one year package protect your today with VPN I trust keep my data safe good to express VPN dot com that's connected to get started to put my thoughts together yet okay so on next week's episode we will be talking about the galaxy fault so you get a share and no I have been checking the update notes now which I normally don't look at and it's kind of a pain in the rear to get to the matic APP updates like really yeah well I wanna see what's happening to applications like I don't WanNa just open them and then guys have iphone eleven pro Max phones so all bets are off I think this is really interesting story because I think there's still people out there because every time I talk about this here this kind of stuff but it's a really good video so if you if you WANNA get a little bit more explanation than I really recommend going to check that out he does great work and be surprised by what is their exactly what Mike said I do keep automatic updates on the second ipad we tell us for reading badge so you you see how many available and you go in and check or do you just open it every couple days but you you typically you have to refresh I probably go like screen and I go to refresh and Nice that thirteen you can you can delete APPs from from the dates from the updates page itself you can just apps now to get to that which I guess they're trying to downplay it but it's it's frustrating to have to dig through it it is frustrating because I don't like to have going to be the old smaller form factor it's going to be the same size as the six six seven and eight I found this interesting my wife used an iphone it's significant I can do it one hand I picked up the galaxy followed last night I've been publishing some images update section in the APP store now unless you like haptic touch on the iconic there's a shortcut under the APP icon to do it but like going through the APP store it's like three or four it was like I don't like this I want home button she's on an iphone eight and it would be great if there's an iphone se too because it's the same size yard got the one day for me I wanted to talk briefly about the rumors of an iphone se to our have said in the past that was a bad iphone name as a usable thing but it's kind of hilarious but we'll get there next week I don't see that has been what I think about every yeah okay I have a question is so this is taking the idea of the the SEC came out it was the guts of the iphone six aspirin the chassis of the iphone five s this is you really well and I think if you're still holding onto the iphone se size like I love you all but it's time to move on like the world is has moved on from that seemingly going to be a similar thing some of the iphone eleven in the body of the iphone eight so it is se sort of a classic design this point but it's not every time I see it like funny little thing that's GonNa lie it's it's a funny sometimes you see a product and you know see and then I bought her and iphone ache was just falling apart she wanted to better camera and she sees the type of pictures I can take but she doesn't want she doesn't hi this is now this is GonNa be Apple's not gonNa make it someone might make it but apple's not going to be the company that makes that type of device anymore it has but you know better CPU much better camera the rumor is a single lens camera which makes sense it'd be a cheaper phone I think this phone would do you know what that is your knuckles as a fold infirm my friends it's here the sonics yeah your watching movies or playing games because that's the second either but my primary one don't the iphone I keep them disabled okay do you let it the left and you can delete the APP from there yeah that's a nice feature it's also easier to get to your subscriptions that's now in setting so the shortcut I had for that sort of episode brought to you by are fine sponsors express VPN fresh books and Bombay's this is an even episode so even episodes means Federico gets to go first actor but I think it will do well you know it seems like there's maybe some stuff finding up for spring event we can talk about that maybe next time but I think this could be a spring released basically slotted in as as the lowest price point but not by much and right now you can get an iphone eight in the US it looks like for the sixty four gigabyte model so maybe this is three seventy nine or or three ninety nine because the eight the original iphone se was you know mid cycle to the six S and I think there are a lot of people who have an iphone six s or maybe seven who would just want to stay with what they know and this would be a nice option especially if it's cheaper than the antennas yeah I mean I don't know how much cheaper it's GonNa it will realistically if you'd like the SEC to my memory wasn't that much cheaper right no it people say oh I love my sc because they've really like the older five inch form factor but or foreign foreign screen that is not what this is starting at waiting for the page to load Starting at four forty nine right to to tell you which I mean I I understand that really stinks if that's what you're into but I it's just time has has moved on from that that every day just like it's like a habit like I'm looking device like Donald to do right now it's like oh check the APP still so yeah that's fair yes I d and the gestures I moved iphone ten for a little while and it was one of the few times she was like I had actually voice like a strong opinion about technology most of the time she's just whatever create a customized gone on the home screen the runs my shortcut to open the updates page directly nice times a day I tap on the icon a Goto the updates is it depends if they replaced the eight or not in the line if they just replaced the eight with this and it'll be the four forty nine price point but maybe they position a little bit lower maybe it starts at thirty two gigs instead sixty four for like a really entry level price and in markets outside the US but it'd be interesting to see the relationship between the eight and the se because they're going to look the same is that I prefer dark moods that use a dark gray color like the lighter dark mode and overcast or in I'm really curious with the two of you think I am mostly of the belief that true black is my preference like not wait it really makes the pictures pop in a way that sort of to me a little overwhelming but I find this is my opinion underline that exactly as I wanted them to make it look that's that's my feeling on things sorry say Stephen Yeah well I mean some okay because even though it's a slightly less contrast I find the really high contrast like pure black and then pure white text actually a little off putting a little hard to read program at a dark mood this week which wasn't in the release notes they just did it as instagram does and it's got pure black background and that is a couple of things uh-huh lead with black saves battery whatever it's let's say you're an idiot someone yeah they're like oh it's it's because you can save energy moron it was one of the this move by apple and hopefully it pans out for people who want something without face I d I have a controversial opinion that I shared I'm I guess it depends on Mexico as I'm using dark gray just like five hundred six colors some apps I do believe Sodas Jason Snow actually use the same bag color dark modes for our sites and I find that easier to read unless jarring than true black and and these may be my controversial opinion here I do believe that people like most people will never notice all that smearing in real life although that the true black is beautiful and really helps the content pop song whether it's Instagram or apple music or see now they're media heavy apps used to black and I think it's really functional a t to that to to make sure that our work or photos or is that went wide and it was like beyond my followers oh there's some of those have called media C. which is totally fair sometimes but it's I like the look of the I think hello weather does it a couple of others over true black which lead like here's a here all the tweets I've gone back you're an idiot who want something cheap but the iphone eight now is two years old and maybe they want something that is better faster better camera so I'm a fan of this don't like it on the Mac I don't like even like it on the IPAD but kind of like it on the phone APPs have been slowly moving to it and this thought came to me after I don't know why I said that true black is my preference that's what I prefer even IPAD I turn it on because then I like visual consistency of what I'm seeing on my iphone I prefer on twitter and it didn't it very very interesting this came about because a bunch of Aspen adding dark mood I've been using dormant on my phone actually quite a bit minders treating the Hurley household hey sorry about that little sorry all its meeting yes I kinda see if I really pay attention to it but if I'm if I'm just using an iphone I never see I don't even know what I'm looking for it's a designer problem and the it is my opinion that the people who talk about and discuss all it smearing are the same people who thumbnails can really pop off the screen I do not so I I've been seen some conversations around mostly on certain issues and complain about as symbols I don't see it like a up being really a been really trying to see the issues with it looks beautiful it's black and white and yes I agree for long form taxed it's not ideal it's too high contrast Andy may be a little too tiring on the I like something a little bit lighter second five twelve pixels the dark MoD they're actually sampled the dark mode color used in Mac Os itself and I used the same they got the point in some contexts I do prefer dot gray bought shorter bits of text like twitter or interests your APP giving users options only to set it against or with the system setting like we spoke about a few weeks ago or pure black or gray eruption somebody we won't say who but it wasn't me or Mike their power went out while we are recording so stephen I think you'd asked me about remind is for longer reading sessions for Instagram I mean you're just going to read a few captions and user names it's certainly fine and it looks great I'm GonNa have a dog mode I want the dog mode to be doc not just gray I've loved the dock mode on Instagram I think it looks that is unacceptable user experience to make people believe you have deleted everything like fake it ice but it is good to see major apps adopting dark vote faster than I think people anticipated certainly the nine dissipated all right Mike how is because I own an LCD like an iphone eleven the great actually may look better than the true black because sometimes that's a little weird LCD so an academy the options is hover mind is deleted immediately yup and then very slowly came back what is this user experience uh but like showing me the twenty to remind us another zero reminders is an unacceptable way to treat your uses which shouldn't happen because there's no format change right between the Beta of thirteen point the people responded you're the only one who thinks that everyone thinks that way so I re tweeted both examples of that because it made me laugh actually really like the way that tweet bought Peter of people complain about a true black is bad because of the all Ed smearing is that the name of the issue and really Essop symbols maybe it's my cited that has gone terribly bad over the past couple of years I h-honestly don see issues in those gifts like I just don't see it and this is part of a bigger discussion two points that I wanted to make first of all I really wish that apple could do a better job at a better job needed to happen that is wild if it was an accident fine but I doubt it but that is just like a really just an upsetting way too it does I did so so how you are using it unite both talked about switching to it how's that going I have not done anything yet and I want the key opened it up and she initially which I thought was hilarious immediately just press the button to dismiss the upgrade right like leading APPs reminders or notes sink in the background all the time so many times I open notes or open reminders overcast do it where you have options rights like overcast you have a dark matter then you have like a basically pure black mode and I think if you're going to build themes now even look into you know and I was like no way you WanNa do that too we went back in and there was a little blue button pressed upgrade to my phone my notes are not sinking correctly between the IPHONE and other devices anymore any looks beautiful on the display because research it's actually true black so some apps like my client or Max Oris while make sure is not an remind us and I was like well you should try trying out the new reminders applic- she uses reminders in fantastic al but never uses the reminders APP should never use the reminders that because the reminded that was not good before but she'd liked the reminders functionality and science fantastic counts you should check out the new reminders now so agreed like bananas to me because it doesn't warn you right now told that's going to happen and if that is what is intense Louis so I should say I am now using the public stable version of Catalina the stable version of Peres but I have the Beta of thirteen points and this is especially to be true if you're trying to do a new setup of an IOS device you open the APP and then you see all the changes coming through seem notes appear on my ipad or my iphone and vice versa but right now I'm my head is missing for five minutes I think do an upgrade of anything is to make you think you've lost all seal having cloud related issues so you may remember yeah so they they came back just fake it keep him on the screen even if in the background I cloud is copying them from the old show me a screen with a spinner yeah until it's done they should be penalized for doing this when apple pushes it to me as that defoe experience right that your supposed to move from device to device they have multiple they've very rarely happen fully in the background and I wish that that that they could design a better experience for that but also as to bring the information over so I will never do it because I don't think I should have to do it and I don't want to I don't want to go through the aggravation of like Bugai's is opinions on this but I wanna just recalculate will story because I encouraged to upgrade reminders because she uses I wanna ask you guys early service do we still believe that even if it's not necessary on name was a thing a few years ago for me I don't feel like I should have to you don't have to I believe that the software should know but like I don't feel like the as any way to double check this or to confirm this the theory that accumulates you know some sort of system John Croft over the years is that actually true because he really does seem to help there are people this is like I feel like this is one of those holy wars right way like Mike Lot Issues last week so for example my ipad pro running the public stable version of thirteen could not complete Ikea backups anymore yeah well the team will figure that out we're GONNA shut down their throats it is the idea that you can break your ike out account seemingly pretty easily that something's going on and it's even weirder because like if I wait a day or two eventually I will see the notes real like the that's something if you do something on a Beta with your cloud account it can mess you up for a long period of time because something goes crazy and two thirteen point one so it's not like I'm trying to sink between Thirteen and twelve for example but I'm using a beat out so there may be we'll tell you either way what they think about this my feeling is I don't do it because my my feeling this remains exactly the same as when the restored that is good practice to do a clean install of our US every couple of years because my question is and I I'm not sure if somebody tore everything up like a shredder put for the base sixty four shredder I look we've known this from the past right from where if you or it was not sinking reminders anymore so I tried it all I rebooted my device and what finally and it being basically impossible to fix federal you had to start over with new I cloud accounts in the past like that's unacceptable like you you don't hear about Google accounts doing that integrated into everything they make yeah and for me specifically the issues really seems to be notes because I started noticing all kinds of from Eichel photo library and all of that from scratch so it took a couple of days and now have everything's fine he can back up messages or sinking photos are sinking and then that's just the way it is right like which is why people always say don't use you actually accounts Blah Blah Blah and that's I think that's the situation that you're in it's actually difficult like there's so much that is tied to that now and it feels like that and I don't know but it just feels like that doesn't reminders or sinking except notes and notes is also like I love notes and allow like I really like using the APP about all this agenda I know right I know that you're seeing these almost ironically or sarcastic no I'm not actually legitimately I wouldn't use anything fix it was I needed to sign out of our cloud and signed back in again and pulling all the changes so imagine twenty two thousand photos a android Google accounts are as important as I cloud is here but apple's got to be better at this stuff because they're making it deeper and more thoroughly oh my ipad and the iphone a lucrative happened all kinds of issues no but this happened this happened to you during the Beta like something during the trying to spend like a week trying to get these devices set the the way they used to be like that's just I don't want it but then again just don't first time I haven't done the cleaning stall it'd be nice every once in a while not to be on a Beta not to just not doing it like imagine like leaving the the IPAD does not have the Beta and you know why not running debater because the Beta many of my shortcuts are are those things that I need to sit down and spend the best part of a day right going through tourist and I wanNA manually reenter everything. I'm sure that there are tools that I mean right now it shouldn't have to be this way and hopefully you know maybe installing the Beta of thirteen point two will fix it happening what were you using said yet no like I tried I give it a forever no I don't WanNA use bare because it's it's as you ha- something's corrupt somewhere in that is that is the life that you'll living now it really feels to me like during this especially this development cycle grab I'll keep the true black neighborhood because it's an I prefer it because it's beautiful I mean my thought is if you're not that controversial see now I don't think it is either it's it's it's a toxic relationship that we have MEA notes but it's an option that's why I have a podcast see but okay the thing is though if you can't trust I know them what he well anyway I feel like but to bring it back around I do still want to use reminders like it's on my it's just time my complaints were about against Stephen is probably going to bring this up my complaints were about the lack of sorting options inside I have a few questions before Markham addition okay how much do you rely on sorting options sts inside projects and the half-baked integration shortcuts. But I think you should try it AH process mess this up for you but why is it still happening because you're I cloud account as messed up because you 'cause you shoved a bunch of base sixty four through there just one that apple sort of lose sight of how important I cloud actually is like if you really try to use I o s or macos device without cloud I pending view mode when eventually it sinks the notes so I don't I don't create Nelson I it's it's an absurd I don't because to do is be Alemi I I just want all I care about is the next seven days in in day order have the sense of importance that should an apples development like those people have assumed the table when new features are being discussed or whoever's come with the features okay then well you should you should try them yes what I would tend to do and probably will continue doing is attaching links to those I know the I think each use the happen time and time again for me I really don't know how to fix them I really don't know what to do and it's a shame because I really wanNA use notes but it so you don- you don't really want to like open a specific list and sort your tasks within that project Don do now I to be able to easily try adding reminders with Siri yes yes I would like that so little things like that I've had more problems since they upgraded to the stable version of thirteen that must be nice is nice yeah shing the shortcuts up in thirteen point two Beta so Yeah I guess my my main point here is if you WANNA use the attachments you cannot attach pdf documents or spreadsheets to your tasks but I mean I'm not doing that to do list ah I want to kind of get a good feeling from you both and I feel like I know from you federico that like you're very happy reminders and it's working for you but I kind of wonder if you yes I'm very happy with and I'm using it I that does not mean that I don have any complaints she never do that I I never I all I care about because I assigned you dates to every task okay all I have care about is the next seventy yes oh no of course but I've you know everybody has complaints about also software I just wonder if like would you encourage me basically to to to try out current version of the entire summer and upgrading yeah you like Oh my phone I had a general I had no problems on the sun must be nice I know that when you do research you collect a lot of links and you're using apple notes for your show notes for your podcasts and stuff like that and I think you would really enjoy having those richly do we reminders because it's built in you can create a widget I have to the shows you a subset of your reminders so thatches reminders from Pacific lists all it does it shows me tasks from my personal lists lists and use the scheduled you learn to use dragon drop inside the APP and my suggestion would be to like grocery shopping family those like non worker reminders lists and the other one it shows me tasks from podcast I think you should try it take a few days move yourself over and set up a few lists maybe a few groups for related doc I think you're gonNA like the sub tasks I think you're gonna like the attachments one possible point of frustration for you right now rich url like I don't just want a ten dollar deal the ritual rose but I think I think I wanna try is you know what I really want you know that that remind me about this you know when you you you look in a piece of content and you say to Siri the that's that shipped Riley Hey remind me about this on is to actions and super it's what you can do reminders so play yeah yeah I wanna try I really it's been on my mind and I really want to try it tax it doesn't offend rich links so but yeah shortcuts where I would love that just penned I wanna pen to know if it's your L. The people have built but like I will see as an opportunity to sit down and review of my currently outstanding tasks and I want to I want to but to do that at the time in shortcuts was like finally I can build the shortcut I've always wanted because there's an Apente to know yeah Oh yeah oh the mm-hmm assumingly and even with a single camera maybe it's confusing I don't know but I find it interesting I think they should do this because there are people who want a home button who won't touch ID up a few shortcuts either in the widget or the home screen to quickly get to specifically or like for example for example one of the things that you can wchs in reminders as well I definitely so I definitely I think you should and that's one thing I was I had that thing a couple of days ago spent yeah I know I know so what I what I've been doing is I've just been using notes on my phone because he has a it has a all and an a set of doc I'm thinking about doing it but I just wanted to I wanted to double check that now you're on the other side of this that you want change your mind based on what you replied context I have to we it's on my ipad one is called personal tasks and the other is called work asks an all it does is it yes I've just yet to do but now it's out in I think will the witness would have calmed down I've read your chapter about it and it's made me WanNa even more and so on they can then I it will put it in remind I wanna try that stuff out but I know I'm only really gonNA try it properly if I actually move everything to it but I've just it's one of those so the key the scheduled view reminders would do the trick for you okay well Y- yeah you should you should do it then if the schedule view I use it all maximize clap maximum is finance all that kind of stuff so it's a very easy way for me to filter reminders right from the home screen it's it's I don't like anything like what are you gonna Pay Nelson suffered it's like have to try and live about Gbs song after try that too because the we spoke about this on a podcast on the all of the natural languages it doesn't work with the Pie 'cause you need the quick type Bar so I need to like also decouple myself that and then I can maybe not support any of the new features so the new you are L. Field not supported groups for lists not supported or subtracts not about natural language well that you can you can create using the date action of shortcuts and it you tomorrow the third one is due tomorrow the fourth one is today the fifth one is today file attachments that go beyond Japex let me attach a pdf I met touch zipper got a super guy and reward at every list sorts your tasks by creation date so to give you an example my one of my lists right now and hi it 'cause I'm still excited about it I still think it looks like a really good system for the basics and then beyond and I really WanNa try an application option and I know that this is creation date because the the first one the first task the one doing twenty twenty is delete evernote subscription. I set up a months ago when I moved from from evernote do happen notes so I think it's this very perplexing decision to not have so basically the new the new reminders features of thirteen are not built in shortcuts at all so they should update those all right we've got your shortcuts integration because right now the shortcut actions for reminders are based on reminders for Iowa's twelve they do any sorting feature I mean the same the same APP that has sub tasks does not have sorting options to to do list does this exact same thing don't look at lists of specific projects because I know that that is useless information for me yeah so the schedule this we should be nice though who a list of tasks sorted by due date tasks with no due date undated task appear at the top of the list left there okay and putting them ahead of things putting a task with no due to ahead of a task of a Duda of two days from now is insane no what what I think is insane Shen that can be so tired of my current plead to the reminders team is sorting options inside lists ahead of upcoming dates and I there's a lot I sort each projects by an a lot of projects have task without do something I need to do in the future I just WanNa GonNa give you the tasks in order the first one is do okay February I twenty twenty the second one is on Iowa's by defoe it sorts by creation date not by due date so again I'm very used to one of the reasons I chill work like if you're right okay you can sort of fake that can fake that basically and use a magic variable okay and tasks as well you you can who runs their lifelike this nobody who's on top of things wait so on I wish you can't set a short-lived sort order in remind you can do it on the Mac no you can invoicing system is super intelligent it can automate late payment email reminders you can spend less time chasing payments hollering people as they drive by your office show and relay FM right moving right along gentlemen our next tiny topic we're still in that area uh-huh I want this to be good but it's just like it's going to be for me yet. The sorting stuff is critical of the way that I think it's it's no different to my current system so I'm still going to try using fresh books yet now is the time to try it. They are offering an unrestricted thirty day free trial for listeners of this show does no credit card required all getting paid online fresh books has drastically reduced the time it takes over ten million people including me to deal with our paperwork I is GonNa come to bite me very badly as this machine may come with Catilina on it and it's the ought to have catalina on my machine so on September thirtieth I placed my order the order is still processing it is not shipped yet I am worried now that the literal only reason I ordered this machine when I did which was to avoid Catalina doc our friends afresh book can help with that due to their super simple cloud accounting software by simplifying task invoicing tracking expenses is a Mike's new Mac pro Mike How's your new Computer Mike has a new computer yeah look Mike older than you computer on recent release because I don't like to change things on my production machine if I don't have to so I'm very nervous right now and I wanNA know Tom I don't know where these things are actually going to be made like I don't know if it's in China or if it's in Europe somewhere I don't think it's going to arrive on Monday it couple more things to get through bone tell you about our second sponsor that is fresh books if you're a freelancer you get one hundred ninety two hours back if this machine is not hardware revised right let's assume that they're considering we haven't heard anything about an event have to do is go to fresh books dot com that's connected and enter the code connected in the how did you hear about US section we think fresh books for their support of this Mike what well then there's no option to sort a list by judy at all like if you tap the ellipses button it doesn't show you it doesn't contain any sort goes to arrive between the fourteenth and twenty first of October that's what I've been told it considering shipped yet from I don't know where it was shipped for oh very nervous right now that this machine that I avoided is going to have catalina it is not the worst thing in the world any sort of like silent revision so let me back up a little bit I actually I'm not sure I agree with you that just because you can buy a non option one that there's not a real show you whether or not they've seen it or not so if they don't tell the truth you know what's really going on if you're listening to this and you're freelancer mojave or not so I think when you get it and it has catalina on it out of the box if if if it does because even if ships on Monday ah hardware revision on the I mac pro to be unlikely also I don't expect the apple a holding my machine personally so they can give I quite enjoy it I audit on September thirtieth listen as a connective may remember me talking about wanting to his computer before Catalina has the hardware bought it arise with Catalina on it can I do anything about that it depends on if they do it able to go back or not you could you could compare the firmer vision with mine for instance which is an original or you can you downloaded the mojave installer right but they're telling me that my machine will ship between the fourteenth and twenty four so it should ship next week right okay I would expect the likelihood of it may be too so maybe that they're not reading all the there's GonNa be a new option for video card and I don't know or may just be that the guy who builds custom we're GONNA talk about Catalina shortly the general reception to it has not been good right it's mixed at best right so that's good to go and you could just try booting it from the Mojave installer and seal install it will tell you if it can't so the US just grief commanders team you rebuild an application and you put different features well different platform yes I don't I don't install new up versions the operating system when they are positive his my most important things will work but I would prefer to just not go to catalina especially because like I know this isn't the worst thing because we have a similar set of Jason Snell has a similar set up to me as well right like hardware wide now because I'd I'd I wanted to get back prob- owner replace my two thousand fifteen I mack a member of the family really desperately needs a computer so I'm able to I'm at praises on vacation and you'll get it when it comes back I don't know it really depends on the machine's firmware if it will run because it could be the truth and I don't lie to you you can clearly tell I'm upset like I don't know why he would L. Times decide to tell me that why would you tell me that yeah I just don't do it when I can avoid it and so this is like maybe not the great version I don't know if everything that I have that lie don't know if maybe a couple of days for all I know my Mac is in the air from China to Ireland and they don't bother telling me that yet because it more about this machine than I do about Catalina so if I have to run Catalina I will but it would just be some real dramatic irony if the whole reason I bought this so that's the balance of the Mac pro it's weird that it's still pending that's for a reason I don't know how long these things typically take right no event has been announced it is very unlikely that there is going to be an event next week not next week by maybe by the end of the month she now was because of this and then it doesn't work 'cause like who knows I could've gone off the reservation could have like completely just gone wild order and it can arrive the next day read like I can buy one today and can get hit tomorrow and it's a number toward a machine right so if then not going to be a use for this type of stuff but it's not my cloud address so I can't sign in with an apple. Id to check more information donald tiny topic of the episode apple have seemingly even more officially even more delayed I cloud photo sharing me annual one right like I don't believe that that's what's happening so I don't expect th they are hardware revising the procedure can currently by non bill will work right like I I I don't even know yet because I haven't bothered looking because I wasn't planning on upgrading I just would prefer to not have to have it but I can wpro now because I wanted a powerful machine though I could buy now with Harvey on it and then funnily enough milligram yeah macos Catalina features page now says I cloud photo sharing will be coming this spring the team page still says later this panther is the one you're thinking of it as paying thrown out of the box call me because I'm gonNA come a youtube video about it if it has mojave on the box visit your set if it has catalina and got the new a new macbook pro and LG monitor earn my life that way who knows I any option I could have bought a Mac pro any option could have been available to me but I went with the on September the Thirtieth Mike or die computer because connected listen can you stop talking about yourself with a person like I'm GonNa have to going to scream at least please keep going isn't technically shipped to me right did you did you buy it through a store yes contact them and be like have you heard any updates maybe they know that's not a bad idea okay that's can't try it and it won't it will not let you install something that won't be supported so you may have to go in and turn the T. Two really like it worked I was able to share a folder a folder with Ryan and we we use it to share files for apple needs to absolutely get right and I am guessing that part of the work required to get folder sharing in theory instead of dropbox which I know people are excited about but it seems like that's not the case and I wanted to ask either of you if you have has this feature the adopt recordings Belykh especially towards the end like the the the final Betas that had the feature enabled h. yet which is more I'm inclined to feel about this so this is I file sharing exists right now did they pulled it but it did exist and I use it and then he disappeared it was not perfect it was it was not great so it's the kind of feature that the like it started out with a lot of potential and then he progressively got worse over the course of Betas so I'm not surprised security stuff off to its version of Mac os but it should okay back to back on again if I did that yeah yeah absolutely it's like a setting in this sort of thing I mean like I would upload a file and say the file was uploaded and shared in the shared folder but Ryan wouldn't see the file at all that's good so because they using email address to a use for business I don't have an I cloud account attached to write emailed them from an email address which I'm pretty sure the Carolinas still has it or at least headed in one of the Betas apple reverted the format back again during the Catalina Beta forth on these new drive features the second one being pinned files so the idea of If you file your revert the dry format back again during the Eichel during the Cyprus Beta season so apple has been going back and reverting the this file formats back and forth is really the only way for apple to test the migration process especially now about the order so yeah I'll do that I might give it another day or two and then I'll email the store and just say hey what's going on there's one I'll ever existed during the process and if it has have you used it yeah I it existed and I used it and it was mostly hit or miss so so that's that I mean I I guess we can expect at least on the Mac but maybe it just means Apple hasn't updated the irs if that is what happens then I guess I'm just going to have to use it but I didn't want to write is people may know I like to try and stay a little bit behind the work involved the new involved the updated Eichel drive file format which as we all know was the the very to test this migration between different file formats is to change it multiple times during the season so at least those developers will be users and that's a disappointment but I would rather wait than have a feature that's that he's only say my functioning and loses vision coming it may be that those run the channel already they build these on demand so maybe they're like mid ramp to some sort of update why would you do that the like why would you say that to me he's going to be able to keep it off line so even if it's stored on a cloud service you will always find it downloaded locally on your device that my fouls or doesn't share them all with other people I don't think that vis worship and thirteen I think it'll be fourteen interesting theory yourselves which means that it's a very complicated thing to do and they're struggling to get it perfect so I wouldn't be surprised if they then just push it time but that's not the normal at this point who went talk about Catalina yes please speaking about things that have shipped or not shipped let's talk about that but thousands I'm pretty sure that we mentioned maybe on the show or at least we got an email from a listener suggesting how I I do think at some point if it's not this fall I think you're probably right like do you see them releasing a big feature in February or March and did it at one time able to experience the migration process that the final user will see so I'm not surprised that this is all happening leader is holding a sign up their window saying please pay me fresh books can do all that for you so you can get back to doing actual work and if you email client and invoice westbrook's can for a while so I can take a file and share federico linked simple drives but a photo sharing with say I could share connected folder with the two of you and then we could use that feature plus folder sharing required a new dry file format apple has been testing this new format on a US I price and Carolina they come in hundreds of colors and styles making them perfect for men women and kids Bama's has a new lines of Merino wool socks for this one down replace it with a brand new MAC pro and I didn't care if apple revved this year because it was already so much more powerful than that was an away wanted talk some college still hanging out in there it's time for an upgrade and Bomba socks are made for people who love comfort like good when refreshing your sock drawer I have a bunch of their ankle length socks and it really is 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almost exactly and it is two hundred and ninety five Zain into that so the screen shot library if you haven't seen it somehow it is a collection of my sight of screen shots of major features of every next year because this stuff takes time and apple is now it's apparently not great at dealing with this file system changes there David got really deep into some stuff that we're not gonNA get into here it's a whole like hour and forty five minutes of US talking about it here with your someone talk a little bit about the high level uh-huh yes MAC has gotten bigger over time obviously the screen shots a lot bigger because of retina but this is an ambitious project I tell you what our third sponsor that has Bombay's if you can't remember the last time you refresh your sock drawer you open it as much of saying off your first purchase that's B. 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S. dot com that's connected for twenty percent off your first purchase Bombay dot com slash connect because there I do have this weird thing where like you know on the apple retail site you try and log in right to to get more information I can't do that The Public Beta folder my dropbox has sixty six items and it's thirty two megs right there low resumes they're not that many of them catalina power users NPR's five four that I've you really as a companion piece to my review so I think the NPR episode and my review of two sides of a coin maybe go for there's a there's an item in reminders that may kill it for me and I filed feedback but if you have a version of Mac os starting with the Public Beta at some point when add the developer Betas have done that the machine and need to run that broken but public Beta and Ford Arch support a seamless toe cushioned foot bed these it's also speak you know fancy sock language for socks super comfortable it's like this is an infinite time scale type situation that they have right now in the hands right like who knows right they haven't been able to do it yet they keep missing the dates that they're saying but then you go inside and it's cold and they're still comfortable of never had socks that do that but Bombay's they really hold up to that promise visit Baba's Dot Com us connected at twenty percent I want to point people to a couple of things one wrote a review file pixels John wrote a great review on Max Stories Jason Review and six colors I really think it's worth reading all three goals by way of a copyright on them because they're apple software watermark them or anything but I know my screen shots and how I set them up and past steven maybe estimated how much time we'll take but people enjoy it I like making them like having them it's really cool to me when I see these screen shots show up and and we were worried that that was going to be the case and everything that we've seen about catalysts this week or which is now Mac catalyst would kind of you'll screen shots across is like a thing so I have that someone built that for me in wordpress Gotcha but overlooking the car future which is catalyst for the future future which is swift why because it feels like they I wanted to push to something but catalyst is not where it needs to bay and one of the reasons for that may be because swift you is better and just like always you can download them full res- so I see these IPAD wallpapers and people's phones and stuff it's it's pretty cool so that has all been done has eight wallpapers because the auto theme can move throughout them throughout the day nice this is actually true in Mojave Mojave had fourteen images as well as a very busy couple of weeks getting all this ironed out remind me I thought and you can tell me if I'm wrong in perfectly fine I thought that was a way to compare wallpaper page which is now is like an outdated title because of the new ones are six K. to support the pro display X.. Dr But those are there as well Caroliina of them because I think it's interesting to see how in particular or something like system preferences changes over time because that's sort of the window into a lot of other features in Mac Os yeah seem to suggest that and we have some more that we're GonNa talk about catalysts in a bit which will get to but that was kind of the feeling that I got from from more to it than just that so MAC catalysts which apple's calling it now got to know when they made that change what they're calling it matte catalyst is the reading your review does that sound completely wild what I've to set of than the way I phrased it I think that is accurate but I think there's a there's I was just seeing what things like over a specific release but anyway so I read your review today and there was one thing that I kind of really felt from when something's changed names over time so like but I've been unable to commit the time to that but I do have the functionality I do want to do that if not for every screen shot at least for selection it's more difficult than I thought I mean look over the six seventeen releases that I cover there are over twenty two hundred images months ago and so I have that functionality the problem I have now is basically tagging off those away where they build in the right order is proving yeah I mean it's great when you've built but that adds an additional level of like usefulness right like is this like it's totally like a cool thing to have as well yeah 'cause I just want to look at how your has changed over the period of time that you've been doing it I do want to build that I have the functionality and wordpress it's as they should read the work that actually takes to make that happen is more than apple sort of sold us which is understandable right there on stage is pitched as hey do a little bit of work your ipad apple come to the Mac but in practice James Thompson has a really good blog post up today actually we'll put it in the show notes all about Matt Catalyst is dwarfed by what's out there for swifty Y and all of that makes me feel like like a time issue and like a data entry deal defiles are all named pretty consistently but because there's two thousand of them twenty hundred of them they're not all perfect and eating it is with Catalina Apple doing three things which have very strange when you see them all together they let go the past looking to the very little developer documentation outspoken developers who have looked at I've looked through it and I'm not developer just the volume of information out there from apple and I didn't have all of them on the pages had the day and night ones but for Catalina wanted to show all of them so went back to Mojave and grabbed those so you can see those on that page now this horrible right like the first one experience and his screen it's just full of pups catalyst is bad for developers so if you're an IPAD developer you're looking at the Mac you're not gonna Swift Ui anytime soon and catalysts I would do that but some one it and there's no options there have to pay again because the the APP ide- can't be the same if you have an love concern about security aspects what apple doing there and how they kind of applications and really kind of tightening gatekeeper and permissions and stuff well to be fair to Catalina Tyler screen shot like saw installed on Mary's Medicare last night she wanted reminders the bad experience you may be tempted to write the Mac off indefinitely and that's not as the opposite apples trying to apple wants to bring good IPAD APPS to the received much time so there's that it's a lot of work the business models Kinda screwy so if you pay for an IOS APP you have to pay again for the MAC APP in some olders and that to me is the worst offender in this case apple should of design the system so that if you're updating from Mojave Senate to write one out that runs everywhere runs on watch Mack TV Iowa Idaho us that's not today that's not this week and you unless you have a bunch of opening at log in you don't get all of these at once I think this image is things that he ran it for a little while Ed Keeble Maestro plex these are all applications that lots of people use the open at Logan right and they're built to open logan like not even just would've had an experience like this my scream would have looked like this because I have I think all of those things all at least enough of those applications open at launch that would would do this exact walk into this and be the superhero when I've been using this application for years it should have been able to look at your previous interactions and maybe and you showed an example of installing transmit in your review and what that did to machine but now people putting on their actual machines things race and developers if they just let lead this half baked because with you is a long way down the road and I think they risk poisoning the well of swift you is would be good to write this article you know these are all applications that kind of by design you have opened immediately so there will be lots of people that during the state so like it feels like that they're not necessarily trying to create a screen shot situation that ends remote servers for example but if you manually dragging an action from the action library this is a really hard to bring over that's all complicating it too and on top of all that apple document catalyst very well there's actually fred before and they have manually saved a file to the download folder don ask me again because it's too late now isn't it apple like you call doc and we can talk about some some that we've used they're already reviews of several that are actually pretty good and some aren't very good and some really bad but that's how these things go there was again say a reminders action into the editor that's treated as an implicit permission that shortcuts shoot have access to your mind like that's not anytime soon and so- catalysts kind of here to say hey you have an ipad bring it to the Mac and I think apple's doing a disservice to its user arrange all the window so it looks worse than it actually as well but what if you turn when you turn your computer on you have like me to restore the State Avila session yeah then you're going to apple may view catalysts is like just a temporary fix until everyone moves to swift Ui which will allow developer bowling a lot of complexity down to one this screen shot is is a nightmare like upgrading your operating system and being presented with twenty alerts for that makes perfect sense as to why you would why would work that way like I as the user a making a choice Kalina it treats any previous interaction with those apps as an implicit permission so if I've used a curtain or going bananas in there was a blog post and by tyler whole called macos ten point fifteen vista and it's just it shows a screen shot which is accuser this is a jarring experience to me because it's all happening all of a sudden and I've never had anything like this before and they don't do anything to back to back because it's just it's overwhelming it really is and like why would I why would I not like why would I there's up that is logical security to me like I don't know I'm sure that not everybody agrees of that sure but to me downloads or whatever else it was and let me select them all all their one window as opposed to giving me three or four is the updated shortcuts up so in the new shirk atop everything is gated by permission prompt individuals shortcuts request access to individual apps a user why are you why is this even a problem I don't know from what you're telling me the other solution I suggested was if you're logged in as an administrator me if one Alfred to

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I try to put miles in and just have a good time with it you you. You put a lot of miles and when you were racing. Were you a big trainer or is this something that came later. No we always. I always trained. I was because I I think for me when I was racing. I had to train because I wasn't talented. Let's say I mean so. I had to be in better shape and luckily for me I love training love running at the time and I love bicycling did a little bit of everything so from years of motoring. How is your body now? Like for my body's okay. My knees are a little bit. Yeah a little bit suspect sometimes but yeah my body's pretty good too too bad you were trying to new Husqvarna e bike. That's coming out in the fall. Our balancing that. We have some tests bikes over here. They just playing around with and and you know firstly because you have the intense. I and I'm not much of an e bike guys. I WanNa go to a guy as a lot of miles on them and got to ride with you today and see how the differences maybe in the versus what I have and and Yeah so we're just doing some testing on the bikes Yamahas. One coming out too. So yeah I think that's an avenue were some of the. Oem's are looking at you know. Hey what can we do here? So I think it's the next step for people you know you have a dirt bike and maybe you don't WanNa go out train. Yeah and you want to just go ride and to me. The e bikes the perfect. I mean and I'll tell you this is only my third right on it and after my first to ride I was kind of like I don't really don't but after today had a great time. Yeah we we hammered some trails. Pretty good and perfect if you do that and you made that comment when we were stopped you said out here on a regular bike. You'd be suffering. is unless you're elite elite. Guy. You'd be suffering if you on a regular bike and this just puts the fun and that's exactly it right like you're still getting a good workout. Think my heart rate today was like one forty five or something. So you're getting a good workout and you're able to go much further and have more fun and then you know you're not suffering and then tomorrow you can go back and ride again. Yeah didn't suffer. Yeah and and still you know we all try to run our heart rates and we probably all do too much heart rate. Doesn't have to be high to get a good work. You need to be at a steady PACE PACE. Today was perfect. Yeah like my buddy Paul per season shape and he's got a he's got an e bike any runs it in trailer boost because he has so much fun for me. I'm trying to lose weight. I'm trying to get better shape. You're in great shape so for me. I run an echo because I want to suffer. I want to lose weight. I WANNA grind right but there is that option late in rides and we had one section today that I hated and I told her I hate it. I just bumped up the trail. I got through the section. That's uphill technique techy rock stuff. And then I was able to go back down to ego and it's a perfect example of why he bike works great right and like. I said just like you're saying is for those people that you know. You're not out there. You don't you're not going to try and be next triathlete the marathon guy and all this. Cr- you just want to go ride and have fun. That's what is right. Husqvarna marketing for you. How long have you been there for been well? I was with the original. Let's say Husqvarna owned by BMW. Three years I started there in two thousand ten okay and then the company was sold to the corporation or Peer Industries owns. All of it was sold. I think in two thousand thirteen twelve thirteen and then so I moved over there so now if you WANNA count total. I've been there about eight or nine years. Which is I always think it's funny because you made your name riding Husqvarna against Japanese brands. When they were no longer the Great Husqvarna. Everybody grew up with and you were alone guy on Husky and then you end up working for years later. It's a full and for me. You know an like to be back with Husky and just the linear to the name. That was when I had a chance to get this job. I just said I have to do it right. I and it wasn't like I had my previous job for twenty seven years. I didn't have to go anywhere and I made pretty good money. Yeah and I worked for Office Products Company. Okay HOLD COPIERS. Fax Machine that kind of stuff and it was a friend of mine's a my childhood friends families visit early. Then they sold out okay and I didn't have to leave but when this came up and a guy your roots. I don't like I even talked to my wife and I said look. I really WANNA do this. I'm I'm like Oh copiers and I'm over this right now and I want to get back into the industry and luckily I got a job. Yeah so now when they were switched from BMW ownership and by the way those BMW LOOKING. Husqvarna were underrated. Yeah that's cool. Look W out. Yeah but when they switched over. Ktm were you nervous about losing your job where you come to you like. Were you stress in a little bit? Not a little bit but not much I I was and let me say for me and it's weird. I guess I've been in the right place at the right time. That's basically what it was. I was the guy at the time I did all the parts for Husqvarna and I'm GONNA call it. Bmw Escobar all parts all accessories. Yeah all the after sales so all that stuff had to be moved. Yeah so they I mean in a way. They couldn't get rid of me wherever I was lucky. I so I did all that. I made all that move from the stuff from it was up in New Jersey. Oh okay all down to Ohio Imon Tori and stuff away. That's obsolete all that stuff so then I came into the office and then it was like what am I gonNa do right John Eric. Burleson came to me and says hey we we need you to continue with this for now but we need an offered manager for the Husky Road team. And I'm like do you WanNa do that. Great Heck Yeah. That was last. Oh that's cool though. I don't think I remember you doing that. Yeah Yeah I mean I did it for Kimmy Wagons Timmy. Andrew Delong won the National Enduro Championship for the first time since nineteen six ski so since like Terry Cunningham Terry Alaska Paul. I pulled out exactly. It was pretty good and but I got to champion. Jacob Argue about one a championship from that year and I did it for like a year and a half almost two years and but the hard part was at the time I was still doing the part so There was one year that I traveled. Forty three weekends out of the really. All your wife's just at Fox the facts and copier writing and so that was kind of tiring and then it came up. They needed immediate guy because they didn't have anyone so I said sure and Timmy. Was there became the team manager or off road and I went over to media. How do you like the media things how do you? How do you enjoy that? I tell people every day. It's another one of those things in the right place the right time. It's the greatest job in the company. I really yes like today. I get to talk about dirt bikes bicycles. I get to do that every day. Yeah and someone pays me or I get to go riding right my boss. I can ride all. Yep Go to the he. He inspires us. He says go to the track and go ride. You're not talking about Moen Tom Owen. He's inspired you. I don't know if those words us with Tom Muskie. Yeah he's he's really a he's a different guy but he's one of those people like he makes me laugh. I have so many Moen Stories. Katya when you get in with him. He's the nicest guy from the outside G I get him with him. He's like your job is to go riding. Yeah take people right so as much as I can. I take my guys. We variety whether it's street bikes or dirt bikes out ever the we all know. Katie must've owned by the same company. And certainly had some Husqvarna people yell at me over the years for because I'm just like look Katie. Anderson Rides a Katie. And so what? We don't need to get into that. But how much different? How much differing philosophies or or divisions are there between Katie? I'm an Husqvarna when it comes to media duties for you you in the KTM guy. I don't even know well it would be and that's the thing now. I'm the Guy Oh you are. Atm Guy Gas Gas Guy. I'm the Husqvarna one okay. So there isn't really any now. There is now so I felt like when they made. Roger like the overseer Katie Mogo Husqvarna logo and. They'll soon have a gas gas. I would imagine I felt like when they did that with Roger. They relaxed their philosophy of like. Hey we're two different company right and I think at first they were trying to establish what what Husqvarna was going be. Yeah and it was really. I mean we were adamant we weren't allowed to park next to each other. We weren't I mean. Even though we work together you see till but outwardly wanted to make sure some kind of separation. We couldn't talk about the Waikato's thing that would happen. Somebody's I got a few things and I said I don't care right. You can't fool me. That's right donges by Jason. And you're one hundred percent right it is. It's the same but our philosophies in marketing are today are different wholly opposite so with. Ktm is like the Color Orange It's ready to race. It's in your face. It's I'm GonNa Win Barn Husqvarna completely on the other spectrum of where the fun guys like. We want almost boutique. We WanNa be fun we want. We don't want we're racing WANNA win. There's no doubt about it. But by the same token we want to go on the desert and take a bunch of Ri- and that has nothing to do with racing. And when you look at Jason as a as a start versus you guys like a different Dean Wilson Right. 'cause WE TRY TO BE WE WANNA be different brand and and you know the the thing that you run into when especially when you have two brands like this as you start getting a lot of you know eating away at the other brand my this brand. We're we're trying to stay away. I I don't want to go after a CPM person. I want to go after Honda. Yamaha Cow Beta. What am I WANNA talk to? Those people. Sure I want to get other people involved in. Sometimes people look at the ready racing. We don't like that it's too many of and so yeah. Huskies a perfect attraction rivals. So the marketing everything we do is completely different than it. I mean for me sometimes. It's a struggle because like you know I'll see a picture and I'll say let's put run that yeah can't run that just not Allah and so you know for me. I got understand. This is what this is and this is what that is so now just slip. Switch switch switch mindsets a little bit exact and see me on the backside. Most of my outwardly guys like. I have a KTM GUY. That's on the outside easy guy and then we have on the on the outside we have. Husky guy and then now we have a gas gas guy so I mean outwardly. Those three is of the face of media. Let's say to the media department and then I'm kind of the guy that's over seeing that to make sure everything's happening. Everyone okay interesting and I still go to vent that kind of stuff. But I battle a bit and I've said this on my show's over the over the last couple of years. There's some Japanese racers Japanese managers Japanese. Vip's in the pit are very pissed off. That you know Jason Anderson helped helped Dungy win the title a couple years ago by putting chat off the track and Tomac versus orange and white guys you know Blah. And they're not happy and I get that I understand that like hey it is kind of bs on the flip side though Calistoga. There's nothing to stop Kawasaki to hire another team and give them some factory parts and run another team and have helped for per say. There's nothing there's nothing. They don't do that they don't have the budget or they don't want to either one. Whatever it is Suzuki the same way so good on. Ktm for investing in the sport with Husqvarna team. A now hopefully with a gas gas team down the line here somewhere. So that's a great thing. They're like dumping a lot of money and support into our sport. So yes Mr Japanese VP. You're angry but you know what they're dumping money into the sport so that's where I'm at on that I don't like it either but hey I like the support that the Mr Pierre has given supercross motocross and off road and flat tracking and everything. So so yeah. I'm more happy that they support it right and I think like I mean I remember because I'm a little older back in the day where some teams would would hire guys to one race To block someone and it happens more. Yeah that's what the team is about team. And when you WANNA to he's factory KTM and he's factory Husky. Well we're all the same so we're all one team and I mean that can go as friends if your friend was on a Honda and I'm honest Zouqi and you're going to block for me being more more than you're going to let you know top one of those things. I agree and I agree so I hear grumblings in pants and I kind of go. Why don't you guys start another about something about it exactly? It's just takes money and equipment and you could do something about Honda. Has the smart top guys so I can't really come down on them at all. They they give those guys a lot of help but you know yeah some of the other Japanese. Oem's like open up the pocket books by Tim. So Fat Charles Preston in here. I've talked to Chris Wheeler a lot. I've talked to a lot of OEM's that are involved in marketing slash media. And how frustrating for you. Andy when you read things or listening to things about the bikes that are either wrong or off the point or whatever part of the job right but it's got to be frustrating. Yeah there's days when I see something on site or something someone said this and you WanNa really wanted to get on the computer and just Blah Blah. Ncaa you're wrong. Yeah for the most part you Kinda and this is Tom Tomoe and he's always sits back and just says don't worry about it. It doesn't matter right. We know what is the truth and the truth will come out at some point if it doesn't own. Don't worry it's not a big thing for. You're not a big frustration. I get mad. I'm like that's not right. I know this because I ride that bike. I know does yeah. It definitely is one of those things and I run to him in. Hey did you see this? Yeah I don't worry about it. Yeah there's there's one media company that like Preston won't work each. Just they're so out to launch. I don't WanNa go. I don't waste my time out with them. It's frustrated he gets it and it's you know and you know like we talk all the time with you know and I know Travis I know all the media guys and you know I'm personal friends with Travis and we talk about each other bikes. We all know what the good and bad about each one of our. Yeah all of our bites have great things all of them have some stuff that maybe aren't as good as the other guy and but by the same token today in today's our bikes are hurting. Yeah now even us as Yuki that gets a lot of Jack Yeah. It's still pretty good bike for for ninety five percent of the people out there you know. Yes for sure. Yeah yeah yeah yeah perfectly fine. Yeah so that's that kind of bugs me when people are bashing on and I'm like you guys don't know all the stuff that's in the background of this. To make this like for example the the Rockstar edition was it was the second spike in one of the shootouts last year. Two years ago. Yeah and I'm like Oh look. There's no chance that everybody else does that. Bike is is is amazing and it does maybe doesn't win but it comes second or you know what I mean right and so in the marketing department you gotta read it and be like you guys are off. There's no there's emails come back from Austria. What is going on and and they really know you can't explain it all. I can do this when we go to a test as we made. Our bike is set up for that person. And somehow this person doesn't like it. There's nothing I can do about. Yeah I mean I can only give them what I have and for some reason. They think it's the one percent off here. One percent off there. There's not a lot I can no no not really right and we're there all I ask people to be just be fair and impartial. Because that's what you have and my bike's last fine. Tell me and we'll move on from there but Gimme a good reason. Why it's yeah. Yeah for sure one. Does the gas gas star stuff start happening? Do you think well we have trials bikes now? Keefer has one. I think the embargo date is. I don't know people are going to hear this. Yeah that's fine. I as the embargo date. Yeah and So we have gas gas trials. Bikes are here in the states. We're starting to market those. Now they'll be dealerships. Were hoping middle of July I think or excuse me Mila May and so the all the other stuff is associate with this cova thing going. Everything's pushed back so we probably won't see gas gas. Let's say motorcycles or whatever you know whatever products coming with until October something that's the guest because everything's GonNa be alright. Yeah we see cold enough already. You know over there. S So raced one in your car. So it's common must jumping the time machine a little bit. Let's go back so you were a very very fast pro rider and of course road. Husqvarna for a number of years You grew up in Silica. Okay yes I grew up until I was born in San Francisco. We're okay You Know My dad was in the air force. I born up there. We moved down to the desert by when I was four years old. Okay Yeah Yeah. How'd you get into dirt bikes? Do you remember Yeah there was either dirt bikes parties or bicycles. Okay and so. I baked and pleaded with my parents to get me a bike motorcycle. He's just like mid seventies Yeah it was early seventy seventies. I was probably the out yet. Yeah I mean I well. My first bike was a nineteen seventy-one Honda Sol. One okay. Yeah so really. My first bike was a trials bike my dad bought. Somehow my dad went to the Honda shop in town of bike and I wrote it down the street and bag. I can't ride this. I couldn't sit down. I'm like and so yeah. Exactly he's like well and then he came comes back with a Honda S. O. One hundred lights and everything like the Snot bike like does like no you ride. That took the lights off. Road it for a couple of years But Yeah I think for me. It was the fact that I when I was a little kid. Or when I was little I said. Say Eight or nine years old Little known thing about me I was. I was put in the short bus. Let's call it okay. Like because I guess they thought I was retarded read you can read okay and it took a little while six months and a teacher. One of my counselor finally figured out. I think this kid has dyslexia. Yeah you deduct No they never knew it. Take me to these classes. And they're like there's nothing wrong with and he's like and then so. I started doing training for those things. You can do for them so they went to my dad and they go look he. You need him to read and does he like reading. This is obviously not know. What does he like to do like motorcycle for my dad? Bought me every motorcycle magazine in the world so I would read that yeah and I would try and no that. Got Me into looking at the pictures of hike Makola Roger and all that will bear knows guys and I was like hooked. Yeah and you work with Roger. Now Yeah exactly I mean I was probably nine years old ten years old. Okay then is this hysteria whereas Victorville victims what is up there at that point like I know what it is now. It's twelve thousand people. Eleven thousand people is it really. Yeah so there's just of picture right where my house is. Today I live in my childhood house back. I moved back their childhood house and there used to be I could ride and I still can. But there was no houses behind us. No houses anywhere. Yeah and I had the whole I had to track. That was so it was just a main street. Exit was at the exit polls. Mojave Mojave but it was only two lanes. I mean I'll tell you the street that a lot of people don't Bear Valley road. Yeah when you're going out to Lucerne Valley. Yeah there used to be. There was no bridge out out ways. Yeah it was a railroad crossing. Oh Wow so you which just rival in the house and have the whole. I had five or six. There's a couple tracks are still there five or six motocross tracks and my mom could see me from the from the back of the house where she's in our backyard. Look out and watch it right. Yeah so it was always a little safer but to get to that point. When I was ten years old my brother. Got Killed Okay. And so that was younger older. He was eighteen o eight years older than yes. Yeah so all. My siblings are much. Okay my youngest one to me is seven. Oh okay so I was kind of the runt baby mistake accidents. So but so my mom was not gonNa let me ride motorcycle like. There's no way that I was ever going to ride a motorcycle and finally my dad persuaded her enough that I bike when I was about. I was eleven ten years old eleven. Did your older brother died in a motorcycle accident gunshot. Okay Yeah Weird. Yeah we're so so. That's when started writing. I started writing about eleven. Yeah And it's funny though like I mean I. I'm in Canada. I'm growing up. I'm younger than you. But that's reading these magazines. And that's what gets you into it. Yes totally would like the colors and the style and the weird weird places. Europe T. V.'s. You know all that time. I was so mesmerized by it and you know like I said I sit there and read those books all day long and just to watch the stories of these guys. Riding on what they wrote on you know then go out in the desert and try and emulate what they did or you see a picture of a guy you know the old picture of one of the I want to say. Make Willy Bauer with Hanoi under his leg over the topic. I've seen that one Just like I want to no way I could do it but I wanted to on my talk. Yeah Yeah so when? Do you start like racing and getting realizing you're good and does your mom and dad support for all this and when do you be like hey man like you fourteen fifteen years old and thirteen fourteen and I got I had a I think my first real motorcycle was arm one hundred okay and I think it was one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Okay I want to say and I but I still didn't race would ride in the desert ride like that's lethal that's Christie for everyday riding desert. Just beat my brains out and I wonder race. Yeah so I finally told my mom I said look I wanNA raise one time. It's just me raised. Get this over with and I'll get beat and then I'll be done with it. So she says is the I mean. Reluctantly let me raise. My first race had recently beginner class. One hundred beginning class and at that time there wasn't many one hundred so I had to race one hundred five. Yeah well that I beat everyone except for two pros all the intermediates. I beat everyone except for these two and so then I went home and go. How can you this? Where do you Remember Sunrise Valley? Okay so yeah so summarizes back was around. It was called three hundred. It was still sunrise. Yes yes it's been there that long. Oh Yeah I didn't know. Oh sitting there longer than we used to have flashback around these race plaques so from Your House it's like ten minutes away or whatever. Yeah Yeah Yeah okay. So I started reading every week and then just racing racing and racing my parents. My Dad's support which financially are on board on well. We didn't have a lot of these we did. My Dad was in the airport. He was retired by that time and he worked then at a golf course In town and I now I look back and go to happen. How did that? How did they do this? I know how expensive it is now. But it wasn't the same as it is today. But you know there was no. I didn't change suspension. Whatever the by came with you what I wrote. Yeah I mean you might ask some dirty wait to the front. I swear. That's what we wrote didn't have awesome. Who told told me I can't do that. You know the thing was too soft cut a PBC spacer ramming the shock. That really didn't do. I didn't know it made. It differ at the top. You would learn how to do all this stuff. Yeah you would read Bugsy exactly yeah do this and make stiffer okay. That's what I did and so but I raced every weekend to that and my dad got to be good friends with the guy that owns Suzuki shop. Okay Desert Vegetable And he really took a liking. Took care of me. Yeah I actually ended up working for him for two bucks an hour when I was you. Look you look back at like. If you never meet that guy you know what I mean would have been. Yeah and so I race and race and for me it was. My Dad worked on Sunday. So he would take me to the track six mooring auto work and go work and then come back at four in the afternoon. Pick me up. Yeah and I was just kind of this kid around the pits. Go to my race and sit there on my little toolbox and people took care of me as an African American did you. Did you notice any racism. Did you notice people? Did you fit right in? Deny then they not there all got the only guy only otherwise. Be This guys name black box. I got to know and be pretty good. He looks like my one of my sisters. Okay seven or eight. He helped me a lot. Okay and He raised every was just a good guy and so it was like no. I didn't notice it. Yes then. Yeah but I'll say like my dad always would tell me goes you know he goes. I didn't know I was black until someone told me I didn't know I just like whatever. Yeah whatever yeah. We're just human being right all trying to do the same thing. So when you start like racing pro and making money when I was sixteen sixteen and I could raise. I started racing. Just yes yeah mostly up in the desert I would go to de Anza. Sometimes in venture out was the answer. The analyst in basically and I guess you'd say Marino Valley okay not far. Yeah jeeze would go there and raise you can go. 'cause that Harris was around them. They're out there. Yeah and then Corona ratio was race. But I didn't do that Good in school time are yeah. Go ahead good grades. I play basketball and the basketball team. I was really athletically. I was better baseball player than anything. Oh you were. I wanted to play baseball but then the motorcycle came in. And I gotTa do this but you know what what year are you bracing? Pro when you're sixteen. What are we talking here? Well Seventy seven. Seventy eight seventy dollars. This myerscough awardee Myers cop like is that the era that you're in a cop ward yeming some you know Hannah the hand what be the. But I'm saying in your age group up. I like seventy war turns promos eighty I think. Eighty no seventy nine. No no he was when I was around like well was he pro. There was because he raised like a x seventy five on any Sunday. Yeah I love okay. We're about the same age. Oh so when you race was were. They were rewarding. Myerscough HAS GONE. Check out from you. Like It depends on where we race Johnson yet. I raced. I remember when Rick Johnson was coming up. Okay he was fifteen and a little younger than me and I was. He came out to sunrise and me and him battled really sunrise. I was I was your place there forever battle with guys goat. Always like to tell a story that I beat him there. I don't remember me beating him. There be RJ beating being go. Yeah and I don't remember me be on him but he always swears that I beat one day and but that was my place. It right came. There was going to battle the brochure. That was the thing and keep the dishwasher. Trice take him to Paula and hang down. Wheels fall off right right right but take them in the dishwasher stuff and he's on it but You know so at this point. You're driving. You're going to school racing pro. You'RE MAKING MONEY. You're on your way little the little bit and and everything was going along. Great I like the first time I raced and I'll say down the hill okay. Saddleback here beaten everyone. No problem went down there and I got lapped all really got out. That's quite a difference. Well Yeah 'cause saddleback never sunrise now and but still to get lap. Yeah I went home and I was like man. Maybe this isn't me and I your dad down the hill. They're really exactly and my dad said. Yeah see now. You were a big fish in this little pond here now. You're a tiny fish in that down there. Yeah so then. That just made me work harder. Yeah and my dad would always say. Hey if I see you working hard all support you to death the day. I don't see you working heart goes off. Stop supporting simple as that. This is again shops. Giving me some stuff. It's this shops. Help him yeah. Pike's I mean give me discount. Yes and and you know we would I worked there a little bit. You know when I could after school at between riding up. They always give me a tracker right because the guy that actually owns the shop owned. Sunshiney five Oh nice and he would they would groom the track water and all that so. I wrote their cup four times a week and this is the day as we were talking before we hit record like an and I just did a Gary Denton. And this is you can ride. Ford can race four or five times a week. Like insane we. Yeah the answer whatever. We released Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday as it. Yeah Yeah and we. We didn't practice that much sometimes. We just raised and you would race if you were like. I was bigger so I couldn't race a little one twenty five but I would raise the to fifty and five hundred class. Yeah and then like Gary Gary. Yeah and you know you get fifth or six or whatever if you do that all these classes yeah you walk away with some money a decent amount of money and like we were talking about i. I didn't see those going to the nationals. Very much and I always wondered why and go to a national and thirtieth. Yeah and you get ten dollars. Yanni dollars it's like. Why would I do this when I can stay home and make a ton totally right? Yeah these these guys like do box telling me to. He's one of the guys. Yeah it would just make livings. They would make a living doing it and the national screw supercross rather than now. Shaq's I'm I'm doing the local money racist and I'm doing well because when you look at the vault for you you don't have that many. No no for sure like you were just know the guy that would venture out southern. California too much right telling Chris I I was never. I don't know that I was a fast. I worked hard. Yep and if I got near you towards race I could be because I knew I was single chip but I wasn't. The most talented guy wasn't yeah. I mean I I. I'm not ashamed to say that I worked hard to get where I was and so for me like racing the nationals. I go to a national. I like. I went to Colorado and I want to say it was nineteen seventy nine and I was in the top. Ten and my bike broke couple years our year later. I want to say it was eighty one. I was writing for wreck state. And at the time and I went up to Sears point and recent national and I think I got twenty. Yeah Twenty first. There's something I always. I've told this story before by so like I was a top ten loretto lanes Canadian rotter right like so a good amateur in Canada and getting some help from Kawasaki and I go down to Atlanta in eighty eight to race the amateur day super cost and watch the race. The next eighty nine and watch the super cross the next day and I line up eighty pro and like renards next to me right. I'd never see Renard right right and honesty. That was the that was the time that it it came in and I was like sorry for the background noise. Everybody that was the time it came in. And I'm like I'm like Shit like I I. I'm not as good as I thought I was. I'm not I'm not nowhere near what I can be right. And that was the time where I was like. Oh do you ever moment like that shirt where you were like racing and maybe it was saddleback? Getting this outback. Yeah that was that ruined me and I raised Colorado once and I got lapped by Brock and by Chuck Sun five hundred class. Yeah and but still I was like man. I think I can still do this for something at first. You know you get discouraged. Yeah a little bit. Then you come back home and he do some local racy do okay And you go back at it. Well in one thousand nine hundred eighty one. Everything was rolling for me. I'm doing good tested for Suzuki. A couple of times doing production testing and and those are good bikes to my boss. Or The guy my boss. The guy that owns Yuki shop was good friends with all the Guys Suzuki. So they he asked them. Hey why don't you help him? This Guy Yeah give them something. Give him part whatever and they they were really shied away from it and so then he pinned him down he goes. Hey they call him and said send him to Saddleback. So I went to Saddleback to test. Brian Myerscough Koji Masuda. Bob Elliott in me. We're doing endurance-testing You ride forty five minutes. Yeah get off the bike ride rest forty five minutes forty five minutes do that all day And they said if he does good there will look at helping him. Well comes back. I guess I didn't do good enough and I was very discouraged. That was like wait a minute. I was pretty good. Yeah the next year. Rolls around being nine eighty eighty-one the end of nineteen thousand. Nine hundred ninety one eighty one. Everything's going good. I'm winning local races southern California. Nobody's beating me all over the you're meeting you're being factory guys like these all the whoever's at the CMC all the race state talk probably the top ten there but all the golden state or the CMC RACECAR is. I was leading up. Went down to I went to a race or no I was practicing And hit a head on with a guy out in the desert broke. My knee cap broke my jaw shoulder to I mean. Just yeah so for like I WANNA say that. Were you by yourself? No okay see well. Three of US used to ride this trail forty minute trail and every day we used to ride this trail decided he needed to go earlier than us. Yeah so he left early figured out. He didn't put gas bike when he was a quarter hauling us back turned around backwards. So you hit your buddy hit my buddy. So was he okay. Yeah he was funny. He broke his collarbone. Yeah Oh And so I was out. This is eighty one eight one. I broke my kneecap. Yeah so I was out for six months yeah seventy together kneecap together off not not not good and so I started riding again. Yeah December I want to say it was well all of a sudden. Get A call from Mitch. Payton just out of the blue never knew you never nothing as he calls himself back then. He was a Kook in a wheel. Jeff this guy calls me says. Hey I'm Mitch Payton I have Anaheim Husky. WanNa write some. Huskies like have you heard them. How'd you ask really no not at a little bit like you'd see a Husky and all title but never had a big shopper? So you weren't part of wrecking career at this point. Didn't meet those guys you know. So then I said sure and I was just coming back and he said come down next week. You can get some bikes and parts. While I show up at a shop. He puts to brand bikes. My truck gives me a boatload of parts gives me gear helmet everything I need like school and I'm like yeah nobody's ever given. Yeah I'd set a goal. Yeah and I was like wow. So we did that thing the pro circuit thing and and huskies weren't on there. They weren't on par. He's weren't as good but Mitch. If there's one thing that would always say to this day I'm sure he says it is. Nobody will work harder than him. Yeah making those bikes good. Yeah we did everything we could tell. Us Bikes to me. I mean made him as good as they possibly can. And did you get your old form back? After I started writing writing in southern California back in the series because that's what Mitt wanted you to win his. He needed to win the series. And so I think you raced a night race. Who Do you? Who else did he help back then? Husky Keith Lee Jeff Jenning Jennings Jennings was his guy to Troy Philip Jennings Jennings told me one time. He Says Zeki Guy and he was super fast. A fastest guy. You'd ever want amazing. Because he was so smooth. He has really good ride but he would. He was always in and out. You know he would come in for a while and then something would happen. And then trips was battle. Mike and Mi always wanted to race. I knew Mardi Michael's Oh I didn't know that he wanted to be the top guy. I wanted to be the top guy. This is eighty to eighty. Huskies have two shocks at this time. Mike Garard suspension. Yeah Yeah so. We had Back then was your. You weren't some huge. I throw this Bro. Show yes who? Coined that nickname. I don't know all time so yeah it was good. It was perfect for the time. I mean I had the one rick Johnson noise last plasma on the back of my pants and people and and I'll say it's a culture thing because black people always say hey blood or brother. They used to call each other. Bloods really instead of brother. Yeah blood and CRIP. No that would about this for they. Would that was to name call you blood so I just said plasma is like blood house ain't it was just one of those stupid things. The white people are like what's what is he. Actually people were like. Uk So but bro Stuck Yeah. Did you do supercars back? Then I did yeah. I don't even Suzuki or well. Yes later yeah but most of them are on the Husky. We did you know like Anaheim we did. Were you ever like intimidated to lineup soup against those because you case you the local hot shoe. You're winning everything. You're golden state's your dicing with factory guys. I imagine like doing good right and then know these. These guys are lying supercross. And you're like Oh yeah well a more because of the bike and I mean like I was when I think about it today like and there's no excuse I mean my bike is good as it could be. Yeah but and then you had the production bike that was better than mine and then at the time the worse by crows like Quasar and and I had an opportunity to ride a couple of factory bikes. Oh Yeah Yeah. I wrote a factory Yamaha around eighty okay and I rode a factory. Honda right in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. Oh you're slow boy tank ones how'd you? How'd you how'd you right? Then go go go okay mazing. Yeah like I'm late. There's no way I can compete with. Someone told me that a factory. Honda was twenty five pounds lighter than it production which Twenty Bounds Hugh and then my Husky was probably twenty pounds heavier than the production. And I'll say like I think it was. Nineteen eighty-three saddleback national. I ended up tenth overall. Yeah but there was the ski jump up the hill. Know eighty-four up. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'm sitting there with goat. And he's on his factory. Honda I think. I think he was factory. Honda at the time. Yeah and now go. Would've been cowie them eighty four? Yes so we're sitting there talking and he says I go I go can jump. That he goes. He'll jump it and I go. You sure yeah so I come around the corner just Air Cooled House. He raw and hit so hard. It almost knocked me out a hit so hard I didn't come. I mean it was five feet short. Yeah and then I see him. Just go well I. I'm well as fast. There's nothing I can do. So that's how the difference like I looked at that and I I can't riding an eighty two. Honda probably just destroyed you. Yes exactly in. The problem was because of my relationship with the guys sukey shop. I would every once I would ride one of the Zukis. Okay and and again Mitch's triumph. But they're just not just not there. Yeah and again. You're getting everything for free right exactly and you know people will. You should just sticky well. It's a big difference when your guy from a little town? You don't have a lot of money and you you. You got to go into race to make money yeah. I don't have the money to spend to do this so I can get free. Parfrey bikes and still emit was okay. We're winning local stuff. And that's all he cared across if we made a main gray but yeah. He didn't care he wanted us to good local. Yeah because that was I mean you. Long spectators deal right. Yeah and and that's where guys were with other huskies to sell part and to me. It's funny because I've been on this downtime reading a lot old cycle news is I just pouring through these things and the the manufacturers would build win ads for Golden State. They would build win ads like this was a big deal like he right and I was always like you know you you think of it as local series and it was but it was a big deal to win anything for these. Oem's back down and they had budget to do it supplied routers and guys like Ron Turner. Right he'll do. They made livings doing the Jim. Tarintino Tarintino was amazing to Saddleback. Not many guys were beating care who you know. He was amazing Yeah so while you have one result from Gainesville and eighty four. It was horrible well seventeenth. Yeah me and Mickey Diamond. Okay and Mike. Gera and Mickey's mechanic Zuma's mark. I don't remember we went there and this is a Husqvarna factory right. Yeah so Miki was HUSQVARNA factory. I was still traveled with the right and that LaPorte. No the Portland next. Oh Yeah Yeah and I. I didn't know what help into going to Gainesville. Never rid naming like it was like a fish out of water right was horrid and I a lot of times. Sorry to interrupt you times. You had choices to make like. Hey Saint Louis is this weekend but man The Corona raceway. I'm I'm in the points that like. There's no way you're traveling and I go make a thousand bucks. Yeah yeah if I stay home asked me. It was for you to travel and yeah interesting. Yeah and then you know and then I started having knee issues. Big Time like in the nine hundred three well before that my only main let's say was eighteen. Eighty three eighty to seventy end end of end of eighty two. I was on an Yup and down by the what happened was and the reason was honest as Yuki as Mitch Zucchini it says Husqvarna in the vaults it fix this when I went towards the end of the year San Diego then was the last race like at the end of the year and midst. Didn't know what was going on with the team. What what they were going to do. So this Zouqi shop guys said Hey. You need a bike you can borrow Mickey so aren was goodbye at eighty three. Ram To fifty on. Tuesday I wrote it on my desert track on Wednesday raised on Saturday. Didn't change tires. Didn't change suspension didn't yeah. That was what I had. Yeah so that's made the then made the to make it to the heat or do you remember yeah. Ken Howard Tan embattled Beata. He's on a factory count but the bike was amazing. Yeah the bike was really really out and then when I get home after that the guy owned shops that hey that was great you can keep Jap bike and I'll give you another one and all the parts you need. WanNa continue to race in eighty-three any. Yeah but then Mitch called me and said Hey we got a good deal for you. You can write some supercross national and I had to go back because I just like even though remember. I think you did didn't I think one year. Yeah I like you know like parts and tires and sprocket. S- it just it adds up and I was like. I know I'm there now. I know I'm never gonNA make a living. Yeah I WANNA make some money to be able to buy a house or whatever at some point. My knee started giving me issues in the eighty. Three like it started really going bad. Okay yeah fly racing racer x podcast with any Jefferson presented by rental and Maxis also on the folks at alias. Cbd Of course rental Dot Max's Dot Com and fly racing dot com. Doing a lot for you. People out there and also race tech race was around on your day. Did you ever get work race back in the day? The pulse built some bike for me. I used to work at Pomona Suzuki. That's within was telling me and Super Smart Guy. And he's still around and pulp twenty. Save Race Tech. They do motors's suspension for the chaperone. Honda team They also do motors suspension for they've done it for. Bama over the years and crisp close and all these guys race dhec Dot Com pulp twenty zero to save with the folks that race tech and helped Dandy Jefferson back in the day all so so then he started bothering you and like back then. Of course you know surgeries wasn't what what it is now so I was taking shots every two months going to on So I could rise couldn't couldn't couldn't impossible. What do you remember about a young Mitch? Payton like what are you? He was the first of all. How many times would you guys have done things back? Then that would get you arrested today. Like one hundred. Yes he he just had no fear. Anything just like you know it. Didn't it just didn't matter? We go into restaurants and do crazy stuff and act like immediate. I mean stuff that now I look back and go. Wow happy but then it was fun. Yeah admit Choi was around. It was a maniac. I mean Troy Did short painting when you met him or was he. Yeah he's racing and starting to paint. He lived in a garage and corona okay and paint a helmet painted. All of this stuff for us. Mitch would give him to paint. But he had no business Mitch Charlie Race Razor Fun Guy. Was He always kind of like out there? A little bit okay. So it hasn't changed that but he was a great starter. Always START UP FRONT. And then somehow like beer would kick in because the night before he probably was out getting the hamlet a little and pretty soon troy's going backwards but he was always out front early. When does he show you like this thing? Called Ero visor like and you just go. Whatever did yeah he he he he came up with some mean he had some cool stuff but he had some weird. Those visors must have made so much money. You you're probably forgot. We had them all of our helmets. so Mitch. Hard worker smart guy. Just I a little bit your sure and I mean well ruthless. In a lot of ways we had he'd have screwdriver fights everyone so where he get mad and he'd sling a screwdriver like in the wall. Like pretty close to you. He never did to me because I think he was scared of a little me and him into it once up at a split Pea Anderson. Okay come back with a race and he was doing his usual. Dickin- around doing something stupid. He wasn't supposed to and. I said look you do that again. And I'M GONNA throw you over that fence on. Offense was right next to the free Bob where he goes. You aren't going to do that. Bob He did it again. I picked him up out of his wheelchair and I pushed him over the fence and I took his wheelchair back to the van and left him. That's Awesome Orleans twenty when you're calm and not being idiot. I'll put you back in your chair. Stay there I don't care there's so many stories about paying back in the day head dares like the nothing for him and troy. We're always dare each other. Do some stupid. They stole some Saad from jump or something right for the East right front where they needed grass role sawed up. And you would think like somebody would look at the you know literally. It was in front where everyone was watching. What are they doing it up on rolling into and then they couldn't take Mitch to jail so he had to drive. These cops made him drive with a cop escorted him like huck dumb in same stuff like that. This is the of pro circuit and obviously husqvarna. He you know he attached himself. He's getting you supporting everything else. Did you think you'd be successful as he is today? Did you always do you? Did you see the genesis or the roots of this guy obviously eighty-six he gets haunted? Pipe and things blow up from there. But you're there before then are you well. I know that Jodi from eight would always tell him. You need to stop work on these Japanese and Mitch is he. Now they're you know they're got a new Bal and this and that and you know finding this and obviously you see what happened but I figured Mitch would be successful because he was going to work and you know just like today you see the guy he gets hurt. Tanny leaves it ninety one and the mechanics for the race team. They I mean there are hard guys. They're working at all there for one Golden. That did you ever. Do you ever remember saying like Oh. I'm going to have a team one day or though he'd never know never got that far. When did you meet jody? And Jimmy Macanese guys back saying. They kind of helped me a lot. You weren't dude. You were like as a kid growing up in Canada. You were in the magazines ton. Yeah they loved you yes. Yeah and that helped me you know. I think I look back. Sometimes I go. I didn't want to be known as the black kid that's racing wanted to be known as a racer but that helped me get to where I could have just been another guy when you talked about speaking about being African American or black Speak does it. When did you start seeing racism like you said not back then but is this pro days like this kind of stuff where your local and national to you like that one in Florida people that seems odd given and what are you doing here and Like at the superman spectators racers panics but spectators. Yes motocross back then the pits. You are in a kate. Know this but you didn't have vans and stuff around. We'll the end. Yeah Vince Cage and you had a four by six foot area. That's where you put all your toolbox. All your stuff was in that area and people around you are around the outside and people could walk up and say something. Yeah and people would snip but for me. Just hear it a little for me. I learned a long time ago because my dad and what my dad grew up in. I mean I'd I grew up in the dead. South went through all kinds of racism. The real stuff well like diving in a pool. Everyone in the pool gets out except for him. Oh really yeah me. Kinda stuff you hear about this but it's unbelievable for me it meant nothing gets as I don't care I mean 'cause I always try and tell myself that there's only a few people that I put stock into it. They say something about me. That will hurt me otherwise I don't you know who are you to tell me some wasn't there another African American guy. What was his David Maclean with Maclean? Maclean Robert Mrs there. He they had an article in one. Racer X I think. That was a while ago with this guy but David Maclean was really good. Yeah I remember being. Yeah so the League is they. Let you test them. Bikes and stuff. You got to be around him and and that helped me a lot of doors and and I'll say like now I look back and I would tell kids today that you have to. You have to speak about yourself. Yeah and I was never that guy. Yes never that guy to do that. Yeah I always figured if I did good enough is GONNA help. Yeah that's the way it is. Yeah and I was never good at it. I didn't want the spotlight on me and I just wanted to go do my thing and and you know. Hopefully someone take notice but you can't be that way. Yeah Yeah Yeah Well. The guys would have helped you for sure. Yeah as far as that goes back right Interesting to they loved you man. You're all I remember all the time interview and he's coming back knee hurts. He's coming back. Yeah so the last results in the vote was your ninth at Saddleback. Five hundred good result. What happens after that? Do you keep racing. Have I think that was the end of Pro Circuit? One thousand nine hundred five I if I remember correctly raised some local stuff about Honda. Where your needs your knee? My knee was bad. Now by that time had had a couple of surgeries to and it just would swallow up and just get really bad and and like you said. The technology wasn't so great yellow it The doctor said look. You gotta quit so race. I think. Eighty five a little local eighty six touch eighty seven. I got a cow and wrote it a couple of Times said doctor had done. Yeah you you're having trouble walking interviews and I'm like I got to be done and so I just said and I just like. How old were you at that point? I think I was twenty three. Yeah so I was. GonNa say he's Kinda young to be done raising. Yeah and I just decided like I just gotta be overtime as lulled or not but even still twenty five twenty five got to be done and at the time I hit start working for my friends. Oh you were doing down short. Wow after when I first got hurt you were at that place from eighty four until until I left for Husky. Yeah Oh shit yeah yeah But so that was the actual source of income to the point where you're very and But for me like I. The doctor said you start riding bicycles. You GotTa Start Walking. Don't run you know for me. That's what I did. I started riding bicycles in and trying to get my niece stronger. And it's been better never actually had a surgery on again. I know I've had. Oh more than Oh okay. So I've had to on the other one. Yeah so But Karla like meniscus Forty L. Unease just the usual right. Do boost up right But I didn't ride from that time. Eighty six I think I wrote the Elsinore Grand Prix Gareth Myles Garrett called me or my gear called me and asked me to do some with some race that rex and John Mara did it was like a VAT race at Paris. Okay and I think was one thousand nine hundred ninety three. Yeah and so I went and got a Yamaha from him like on a Thursday. And then raced. It had no idea arm pump like Oh yeah and got killed and I was like I'm over this now. Mara race down the world vets number one on one hundred troy. Yeah and one. I remember like ninety ninety. Three and then I raced again in ninety six. I raise the Elsinore Grand Prix. On on thousand five he called me and said hey you WanNa yes sure. I'll do it the blast then right after that I right when the first Yamaha. Four Hundred Ninety Eight. I bought a four when the four twenty six ninety nine. Yeah I bought one of those got back into. Got Back Yeah. I loved racing. Then then I. I've been racing every it's crazy that you got a top ten overall at saddleback obviously place you know well and everything else but still great resulting in two years later. You're totally done. Yeah you got a ninth and then two years later. You're done racing. That's it and really it was. It was a hard swallow because I wanted to race and at the time I was really getting better and you still. You got to think what's realistic. Yeah what is really GONNA have? Wha- right what's going to happen here right so I. So let's get ninth overall. Does that mean I'm GONNA get a factor? I probably not no and later I'll say and you know That just think Mickey got a factory hundred one to one hundred. I could have been you. Yeah I out but I was. I found out later lots years later. The Suzuki was never going to hire me now. Never because of what caused really not going to happen really. I wouldn't have thought across. People are for the most part you know your speed on. The track is the determining factor a lot of times. But but I'll say that they had a different time back then. I mean and I'll say you know my wife's Japanese okay and she could tell you that Japanese are pretty racist against most a lot of people say not. Shouldn't say this is a blanket. Generalize but for me at that time. They weren't in the early times or different. Yeah yeah no matter what and I knew that there was a point where you know that the bikes hold you back so much so I never going to go win a couple of races and I knew that was not going to have. Yeah so for me. I and doesn't bother me because I have. I had a great life. What what writing for Mitch and what happened to me in those days was something that I couldn't couldn't have slated better. Yeah it was perfect the way it all fell the way everything fell together. Oh that's interesting was you. What do you think your greatest race was was there a local racer so racer Deanza Cycle Party? I won like five race in a row. They're five big purse races. Yeah and made up just a killing was johnny territories. The answer right wasn't always ending do. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Holly was in here last for the show talking about Indian dunes. Yeah yeah all of those guys wrote there and see. That was always a thing you had the sand guys like and then there was they had the one. Gorman okay because I went to Gorman a few times before yeah but it's a little bit Saint Mary. Yes okay all right. I never quite understood that being from being from Canada. I never quite the. Yeah the the movie studios did a lot there okay. And where was the ends of them? The answer was like Marino Valley Reno. So when you're going let's say sixty freeway okay from riverside young out in the hills out there. So that's where was corona raceway? Right right off the freeway that golf course you can see when you're on the fifteen going towards Mitch's place right before the ninety one which way on the fifteenth year in West on the fifteen okay so north southwest. You looked writings. Excuse me in the ninety one ninety one ninety one. Yeah West Look West. And they're on the right side there was. There's a horse. Yeah that's where it was. Yeah Okay Right. There was no yeah okay. And so corona ratio. It was amazing and the whole time he lived in high desktop keefer. Preston Jefferson High Desert true. Yup for sure that's funny. Desert was the washing machines and the dead bodies that they were all still all hang left. They're all that shit that he loves. Got It man. I wish we had more time. We got ready for the pulp showy pistol starting in forty five minutes. Celta love the you some more bird? Who's the fastest who is the u? This'll be the trivia question for you. You'd be the answer to this fast. So cal guided never make it quote unquote. You might be the answer for that. Know who was? Who was the answer them? Who who's WHO's the guy. Well you have to to me like a Jeff Jennings. Yeah would be the Guy. Okay because he never got a factor your. I'd never let something happened and kind of went away You know I mean but yet he was amazing like the guy or Turner could be an answer. Ron Turner very good attorney road. I mean he just never got that factor. But I don't even know that he wanted because like you say then so good and then locally pot I did then finished off ten the nationals twice and didn't really care yeah I mean it was. There was no reason you could have been quad. Guy Jumping quads. Yeah well thank you for doing this. A lot of fun and and congrats and a great career and your back and Husqvarna an which I think is ironic and hilarious. You were the guy for Husky growing up for me. You were the guy for Husky and now you're back Husky. Greatest thing ever fly racing racer x podcasts presented by rent macktaz. The Jefferson thanks to listen. Everybody thinks any problem. Thank you thanks for listening to the fly racing Steve Bath show. Don't forget to check out some of our past shows including motorcross legends. Such as bad boy. Johnson I looked down in my hand was jock over to the side. The tenants were jerking weird places and it my biggest disappointment Danny store because that he never said sorry. I were friends and we've never talked. Brian Lewis before the five hundred events. Dave and I fly to Germany. Go down the street guard. There's this little shop out the back of the mall. Factory we get their cylinders. Take THEM BACK. And you know off we go and you know. We Ran Nicosia cylinders battery park for a handful of years before anybody ever saw it in production day in McGill. Was All you know. He didn't big pancake thing. And he's the thing he's completely laying on the gas tank. China miss his tree. I mean he would have gotten even harder jumped. Farther is that tree had been you know if it hadn't been there. I love the guy. I don't dislike competitive. Sport ever had absolutely one hundred percent my mind. I firmly believe that statement. I said about these modern day guys in Switzerland Poland or Belgium forty five minutes on the same bike. You're not be is crazy. They're not doing it if they think they're so much better nowadays than they were in stays there fool so different bikes different times beasts from the East Damon Bradshaw. It got to the point where I didn't WanNa leave home and once I got to the race I wasn't into it if I wasn't going to give one hundred percent. I'm not GONNA take your money. Working-class hero definitely an emotional moment for me. Just thinking to myself that's it you know. And it's amazing. The stuff that goes to your head in a short amount of time of the things that you know that I was going to miss out there until you really open yours and you wanNA listen to what they're saying like beating a dead horse and I know from personal experience. Been anybody ever sidney down. Of course everybody did. Go sit paid two ways to make the money one as you can sign for money or two you can earn money. I'm a high believer in earning the money. I think they ride better when they earn the money. 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Mac Power Users 488: How We Communicate

"Mac power users episode four hundred eighty eight how we communicate. Hello. And welcome to Mak IRS. I'm your host Stephen Hackett. And I didn't realize until I read that first part out loud, that the title and the episode rhyme this week, which is kind of a charming way to start. Don't you think David, I think that's the way we need to start every show for now. No, the next four hundred that's, that's a big promise, and we only have so many digits. We're going around a rhyming words quickly. I think that those that should be your job. You should be the one that come up. Oh man. That I I'm not going to endorse that promise. But if it happens accidentally from time to time I think it's a nice surprise. All right. I it just a fun gift. Okay. Well, speaking of gifts communication, isn't that gift every day being able to communicate with the world on that little thing in your pocket? It can be I mean, most as it is some days, it's not every day, every day not every day, and that's what we're gonna. We're gonna talk about. I feel like this episode really is sort of a nice capstone of, of, like the last six months on MP where we've touched this topic a couple of different times. Terms and talking about the apps that we use in the services we have, but we haven't really gotten into it, and that's what we're gonna do today. But I, I do have a little request for our listeners, David, this isn't for you. So I guess you stick your fingers in your ears and just come back. You always say not all time. But as listeners know, we have MP five hundred coming up we're gonna be recording that live at max talk in July. It'll be out in the field, a couple of weeks later, and I want to hear from listeners looking to have questions asked of David about the show about, you know, how awesome Star Trek number not going to do that. But questions about impo of questions about David's work over the years things you've wanted to ask him. It's going to be a segment in this show. So there's a really easy way to get these questions to me, you don't have to fax them to me or anything, but you can just tweet with the hashtag im- p you five hundred just in P five zero zero make that a hashtag, and I have a little Zappia. Automation's going around Twitter and searching for those there will also be in the forums, a thread that I will have up by the time that this episode goes up where you can ask me there as well. 'cause I know not everyone is on Twitter. Or of course you can always eat meat Email me as well. We're gonna talk about Email here in a second. But you can shoot me these emails as well. And I'm going to kind of come through these and try to pick some, some trends and topics out of these questions, some specific questions that we can talk about at M P five hundred. So I would really appreciate that input is I for one what went this episode to be a celebration of our community. And I can't think of a better way to do that. If I can't shoot David out of a cannon, which the people at max told me explicitly, I could not do that. So with that off the table, I figured this was the next best thing. So if you have any questions about the show, but David is work. Please let me know I'd appreciate it. I think cannon would be kind of fun. Tell you the truth. I think it you know, I think I think it's really important. What's at the other end of it? The, the landing part is tricky, obviously, we'd have a net or something soft, you know, like a jumpy castle, maybe something, but I was told that we can do that. I am I have to say in ten years, I've. Never had a show of P where I had no role in the planning of it. This'll be the first one and I don't know how to feel about that. I don't know if I should be putting something together or mul- nervous tell you the truth. Man. You're a good handwrite, Jay. But today, I did have a role in this one. So we're talking about communications and the funny thing is I, I do think that communications and digital communications, one of the reasons why we wanted to do the show is, I think both of us have thought a lot about it over the last year or so. And, and I know I have really changed a lot of my habits as more tools have become available, and I've thought more. I guess in a grownup fashion about how much communication I wanna do. I think it's definitely been true for me. I think things like systems that had in place or apps that used even when I went independent for years ago, they haven't held up over time as I've added bigger projects and new shows and just as life has changed. And so, I think that's I'm right there with you, where things that I used to do or sumptious I used to make about how I wanna communicate or how I should be available to other people, which is a huge part of this of you. How, how do I signal to the outside world that you can bother me? And how can I signal that now's not a good time to bug me like all that stuff is is complex. But the technology we have in a lot of ways makes it easier than ever to sort of set this up. But at the same time, technology, always brings complication with it, and there's always pros and cons to various apps and systems. And I think a lot of people kind of struggle with, like too many inboxes or two, too many ways, in, you know too many things to check throughout the day. And that's that in particular something I really think about as I go around and check, my, my various inboxes, if you will trying to narrow those down, or trying to, to funnel certain types of communication into places as really helped me fill less overwhelmed with the stuff. And I think that we're we will get into that as we go through this through this outline. If you apply your MAC, power user, superpowers, this is a system. You can game. And I think that when the goals of this show is to talk about how you and I. Have used our nerdy superpowers to try and tame, the wild beasts, and we've got some real good idea. So hopefully the show helps you up, but I think to begin with I it starts with the Email. The point I wanted to make is it's no longer just Email. I mean, for the longest time, digital communication was Email. And totally end often I bet when you heard the you dear listener when you heard the title of the show, you're like, oh, another Email show. Well, emails, a part of it, but one of the things I think you need to get through your head is Email isn't necessarily, the only part isn't necessarily even the biggest part and certainly not necessarily the best part. But the but it is a part, you know, it's funny I thought this on a long time. But when I worked for the salvage army for a long time, we use Lotus Notes internally, which has just. Yeah. Real dated platform, and digital communication within that organization at the time at least was just Email, right? That was the only official method. And if you had some. Something like instant message or something. It was outside the purview of Lotus Notes, and therefore actually against policy because they wanted everything retained for legal purposes. And I haven't thought about that in a long time, because that's so different from how I work today, but I think it's true, especially like in the corporate world where mail still has power over everything else. And I think that's why you see services like slack and others, which will get to kind of trying to disrupt that. But emails definitely the, the heart of it still for a lot of people. Yeah, but, but now there's compartmentalization in specialization and communication tools like slack like some of the tools, we're gonna talk about in this episode where I think, if you give some, some real thought, if you, you sit down and, and think about the types of communication, you do. And what is the best platform for those communications, I think you can actually get a little more sanity in your life, and we have strategies, but let's start with Email. I mean it is Email either. That's a thought. No, a lot of people think that it's just it's terrible emails terrible. It's evil. No, it's not. I think Email like all these other systems have has pros and cons. I think I actually I think a huge pro and Email is that as a synchronous? Yeah. No. When you're on I message or and slack, at least for me, there is some sense of this person's going to get back to me pretty quickly and Email, at least from my point of view doesn't have that. If someone does doesn't Email me back for a few hours or a few days, rarely does that into my mind. Oh, they're, they're avoiding me or they don't want to answer it feels like it's, it's less of a back and forth. And maybe that's not true in every company culture. But I think it's true for the way, I work and honestly, I think that's a pro for Email that quite isn't there. And some of these other systems, I would argue that it's not that it's just a synchronous, but there is a generally accepted expectation that it's a certain kindness and. I know you said early. I mean, there we hear from listeners who work for bosses that sent an Email, and then call you five minutes later, if you haven't responded, the Email on shore, I feel very sorry for you. When you're dealing with that, because you will never get any serious work done, if that's the expectation your company's putting on you. But for most people, I agree. I think there's this, this general accepting that a, you know, for lack of a better analogy n E mail is a letter in your mailbox and you're not expected to stop at the mailbox write a reply, and send it right back before you go back in the house, and I like that. I think that's something that's good about Email. It's non urgent that is the way you know, I it's in some ways, it's, it's a great way to share documented communications, you know, pulling my lawyer hat, on, I mean, there are things you wanna do when you say to people that you want them in a writing. And in the olden days always had to be a letter. And now in emails, generally accepted I I just had a. Conversation with a lawyer this morning, where he made an agreement with me about something that affects one of my clients, and as soon as I hung up the phone, I wrote him, an Email confirming that. And now we've got a written agreement on that, and that's something that I need to have emails, also great because it's got all the pipes connected to it for making items actionable, or traceable to later. I mean I can I can get an Email based task and Omni focus with a keystroke whereas with some of the other platforms. We're gonna talk about today, takes more work. So there's a lot to like about Email, but there's things to not like about it too, because, you know, it's been massively abused by digital marketing, you know, and I'm not talking about the lovely handcrafted MAC's bar key newsletter. You get occasionally, but I am talking about the, you know, just a flood of unsolicited Email that show. Goes up every day, if you don't have a system to deal with it. Yeah. That has has really increased for me over the years. And I feel like my work. Email is ended up in some sort of list somewhere that spawns other lists and it just it's out of control and it's stuff that doesn't necessarily get triggered by my spam filter like it doesn't end up in there still ends up in my inbox. That's something like same boxer, another system can come in for me and help sort through that. But the, the signal to noise is the worst I feel like an Email I don't or I say, I've extremely rarely get an I message from somebody who I don't know who is unwanted part of that is the way I have. I MRs setup which I actually want to talk about in a little while, but I suppose I feel like an Email I, I have to do some digging through the junk to get the things that I want to see and that does turn me off to it. I think it turns a lot of people off to it. We all see screen shots of someone having, you know. Forty two thousand hundred emails on their high phone is like, what are you doing? Well, you know, it's all junk, and if they really need something, they'll find me another way, I see how people get to that. And it makes me sad. That that's how people have to deal with it. But it's definitely a con when it comes to Email I've, you spam see for a long time. It's a great using apple mill to, and it works with other third party apps to kind of filter it out. So actually don't see most of that stuff. Another cool trick. I would recommend if you're having I guess you call it bacon instead of spam. It's the stuff that you you've signed up for some company in all the sudden they just seem to be sending you a lot, make a smart folder in your mailbox and your mail application for any Email containing the word unsubscribe, and then just take a look in there, and you'll see a bunch of stuff, and then you can just sit there for, if you've got a laptop, you can sit in front of the TV and just go through that. And then subscribed to a bunch of them. And, and yeah there's. Difference between unsubscribe ING, too company that you normally do business with versus some stranger on the internet. Some of those subscribed buttons are just telling them that there's a human there, and it's gonna make it worse for you. But if it's a company that has a brick and mortar store that you've gotta and you've legitimately shopped online there before, you can't unsubscribe to those, but, but yeah, so you, can you can conquer that a little bit. But I I do think Email is not evil. Like like Stevens said, I think it's something you need to kind of master on your own terms. I think in fact, the, the message throughout this episode is each one of these platforms figure out how to make them work for you instead of against you and with Email in particular, I have, you know, anybody who's listening to the show for any length of time knows that I go through these periods where I'm unhappy with apple meal. I try to figure out the best tools the but thought maybe we're not gonna make this whole Email episode. But just in the segment at least let's talk a little bit about how we're dealing with it. Okay. And something on your list. It's on mine. Well, the same box which granted is a sponsor. But let's just talk a little bit about how we're using it. Yeah. For me. I, I really used to same box features the most, you know, same box has really clever system where you don't have to have something running on your MAC all the time. Or you don't have to forge emailed, some weird account and it sends it back, it's kind of working at the account level to create a bunch of folders that have special powers and the chew as the most are saying later and saying black holes, so sane later, does a good job at those newsletters for me. I get a lot of emails of, it's a legitimate Email, but from a press or person or a company that I don't work with don't want to work with, you know, it's, it's a real Email, but it's not something I want and saying later, does a really good job at capturing others in a folder, then at the end of the day or the end of the week, I can go through there and just kind of deal with them and a bunch of them end up in the same black hole, which is a folder that if Email goes into that the, their tagline is like you never hear from that person again. And that is really nice because, well, a lot of these have unsubscribe links, a lot of these, like PR presi Mosel, at least I guess is very specific to me, which apologize for, but a lot of the was actually don't have unsubscribe links, because they just like kind of form Email sent out by a PR Repin. They they're doing their job and they mean. Well, and I understand that, but I'm not interested. And so I can move that to the same black hole, and they can Email me forever. I just won't ever see it again. And, and that's, that's pretty nice. Same box has a lot of stuff like, hey, if you know this person has an emailed me back in a week drop a reminder in my inbox that sort of thing, I don't do much of that. I don't do much snoozing of Email where this isn't my inbox. But I don't wanna see I want it back in my inbox on Monday, I used to do more of that. And I've kinda gotten out of the habit because it was a way for me like shuffled problems around without dealing with them. And now if I'm if this is an Email, and I can't deal with it until Monday, I created. Ask for Monday to deal with it. And then I I it comes back around that way. So it's kind of, it's kind of where I am sandbox for me it just depends, like I will use that remind me feature with Email like often, I will send an Email to someone like awesome to contract to a client, and I will send a reminder like you know, one week at Saint box dot com. And that way of the client doesn't write me back about something I sent them. It lets me know as opposed to me, creating an Omni focus entry and the reason I do that is because it's so much faster to do with their than to create the Omni focus injury. And just one of those things where it's more efficient in terms of boxes. I have more than you like I even created one for customer feedback, because I sell stuff, and, and I just started putting any Email that came in from a customer about feedback into that same folder, and it's remarkably spooky how good a got at just figuring out when strangers that never emailed me before send me an Email that it's about feedback or a problem on. Product. It's amazing how much how often they end up in there. So you in the whole idea is getting that signal to noise thing you were talking about earlier. So when you look in your inbox, you see the truly urgent, and then you can manage how you see the other stuff and another thing I wanted to talk about with Email is just, you know, I've, I've been on this train for years trying to find the perfect IOS Email client. I've never really been unhappy with apple mail on the MAC because I apple script the heck out of it. I keyboard maestro, the heck out of it. I mean I make the app work for me. But I was never very good at finding stuff that I thought was really useful in the on the other end about with the with the Iowa stuff. So I go on the spirit quest, I download all the Email apps, and they all make me angry. They're unstable. They have a problem, the features, they add aren't really that useful or their buggy and, and just kind of found peace with Stephen. I mean I feel like. The last six months where I'm just using apple mill. And one of the things I decided to do was, I'm going to stop using my phone as a E mail device. Okay. You know, and so to get to mail on my phone. Now you've got to open a folder, and go to the second page of it. And the I don't look at it. The icon at all. If a client text me, I just had yesterday, client, text me and say, hey, I need this thing. And I sent it to them like a week ago. So I went ahead and Doug, and I was out with my family. So I went ahead and dug out the Email application, I found the priory men forwarded it to her. And so I can do stuff like that with it. If I get an jam I'm not deleting the app, but I'm just not thinking about the phone as an Email place, and then on apple mail on on ipad. I'm pretty good with that up. And I know there's features that it's missing, but I can still get what I need out of it. And this new thing coming with thirteen where the flag colors will coordinate is actually a big deal for me because I've always used flags on ipad. If there's something that was just too complicated to do on ipad. Yeah. Maybe I need I needed to find a link to some dropbox file that I didn't have on the ipad or whatever, you know, if I wanted to do some kind of heavy duty processing on an Email. Maybe I wanted to, you know, whatever there's some times it just doesn't make sense on the ipad. I would flag it. But now I can color sink those flags. So I can have, you know blue as a barky customer thing. Red is a legal thing. So I've got these different colors now. And I, I only have eyeless thirteen on one ipad, but I can already see the benefit of being able to, to color the flags and then just archive them. And then I go back to my MAC and clear out those flags by the end of the day that, that is exactly how I use flags. So I very rarely set a flag when I'm on my MAC. If I do it's I'm getting ready to leave the office. And this is something I need. Take care of not necessarily immediately again. I would I would take the time to put it in my task list. But this is something that, you know, you need to look at when you get back, but most of the time I'm about on my phone or ipad. And if this is a little more involved than what I want to get into in my current context, maybe I need to file. That's just my desktop or you know, sometimes it's nicer to have a big screen keyboard to kind of deal with something. And so the flag is just a, a little notification of, hey, this is something you need to do when you're in the office, and I use them pretty sparingly. So when I know there's a flag and something in my embarks that it is important. I don't let those I don't hand those out very freely and it's a nice way, just like a little a little note to myself in the future pay. This is something you need to death. Yeah. Another really cool trick. I use and I'll put a link in the show notes. I, I have an apple script. I, I actually got the idea from a listener. So I have an apple script where I just it's, it's programmed into Texas better. So I just. Type. E. L I, N, K E link in any place on my MAC. It embeds a link to the currently selected mail message, and I find all sorts of uses for that, like a lot of times. I will log communications over some, you know, legal matter. I'm working on it. I'll have an apple note that said, you know, we logged a log in their hey, I talked to the sky about that or whatever. And some often it'll relate to an Email, I just type in link and I know you could drag and copy it in and whatever, but, but just having the -bility to embed a link to that mail message anywhere is really useful. I do it NAMI focus. I do it all sorts. I'd do it all over my MAC, saying, it's really nice to have that. I, I want to take a look at because Syria shortcuts, is quite a bit more powerful now, want to see if I can build something for that, for us thirteen Deva similar function, where I can drop Lincoln anywhere. And I do much. That's another reason why use apple because I like the apple mail message link system when you go to these third party apps. You have to use their app on the MAC in order. To get those links to work, and I don't want that. I wanted to work anywhere. I'm sitting so anyway, I feel like I'm in a good place with Email right now frankly, I've got some great automation stuff, I've put together over the last couple years, I'm not going to keep looking over the fence at other male apps until somebody tells me, there's something amazing out there. Of course. I will look at. But. But you're on the human. Right. But that's just me. I mean that's why you listen to this show. Right. Because I always run down those rabbit holes, but the but in general, I feel like I I'm getting good workout of apple Mela, and one of the keys for me. Was that decision to say, why am I even thinking about trying to have good male experience on the phone? The phone keyboard is terrible for Email. So why am I even thinking about it? And, and it really I when I when I really thought about I'm like, I almost never right mail on the phone. Anyway, it's not like it was a big decision that I was a serial Email person on the phone. Now, I never really did at spent more time thinking about having a great app on it. Then actually doing Email on the phone. If for me, the, the phone is kind of the first line defense when it comes to Email, and I only have notifications on for a select number of AP's David, you're one of them now as we spoke about recently, I felt much better. And, and so I used it right. I haven't abused it. No. You I've got no Email from you. But so it's not something that I necessarily answer a lot of Email on the phone. But I do sort of monitor it. And if something comes in that needs to be addressed at least I'm aware of it. And that, that's more of a fear of missing things than necessarily like nothing bad has happened. But I kind of like having the having that first line, I thought it was interesting when we got the male from apple about a going to WWE see I didn't see it for several hours. But I called you and you had already seen you were you were on top of you had a better system for getting. So I keep male open all day. I know there are people who sort of preach that you should have male open. You know, for ten minutes at the end of every hour from only between three and four PM and their Alladays like the wave relay works. I can't need keep my eye on my in box. And, you know, I take pride and if we have a listener that has a problem with their membership or some. Thing how quickly we respond to those, and that's me. You know, if if you were problem with something with really it comes to me, and, and so I keep I keep a close eye on that stuff. And that does mean that when something like an apple press invite comes in that I'm freaking out basically way sooner than most of the people. But now they're VIP for me. I don't know if that VIP will ever get triggered in. I'm ready baby. I'm ready. If you're listening, apple I've made you VIP. So just, you know, if you ever want to invite again, that's, that's cool. I did the same thing as this is a VIP. And like, if it ever happens again, I will know mmediately. I feel like you and I are kind of on the same page with Email. You know, one thing we didn't really talk about. I don't know how much there is here. But, you know, I have specific accounts I have a personal account. I have a really FM account an advocate for, like my blogging and YouTube and other stuff. I'm very careful. When I send Email that it comes it goes from the right account. I don't like mixing things in between the inboxes and there are a lot of people, depending on their context of me, you know, if he's worked with me, and my relay capacity, they don't know mother Email addresses, I deal with them, only for my really address. And I'm sure that's important for you with the law stuff as well. And that's another reason why like apple mill is that it, it actually uses some intelligence to address emails from the appropriate account automatically in. It's usually. Right. But when it's not I've set up a super keyboard, shortcuts and other post, I'm expert, this one goes back like probably over five years. But I have. Imple- keyboard shortcut that just changes the from account. So if I look up and it, I'm reading a legal one, and it's got the MAC spark address, I press one, keyword combination. And then it's then it re dresses, the mel's from legal account. And just I, I wasn't finding simple ways to do that in the third party apps, and even though they had some cool tools like the stuff I need to actually get my work done. It was actually more complicated. Sure. And we, we we, we gloss over VIP's VIP's are great. If you're using apple mill you should use peas, and let's just leave it. So I think we're we're both pretty happy with Email at this point. 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Maybe we start with kind of where we see. I message like apple messages stuff. And then move on move on from there. Can I ask you a question short? Mean when did you first realize that it was something that you need to be doing because I distinctly remember, I'm wondering if you do, too, I do too. I remember extremely specifically. I grew up in the AL instant messenger era, which will date me, depending on what side of my age, you're on. But and I, I remember signing up for my first aim account, the basically the, the day, I moved into my college dorm. We didn't have internet access at home in high school. I just had, you know, when I was at school, so it didn't have any sort of messaging account. And at that point, my friends have been on for several years. And it is instantly opened up a world to me to keep up with people and talk to people just on my laptop, you know, in my friends who are now scattered to the wind for college. I remember very distinctly. And in that era, text messages, were something that you had to pay for, you know, you got minutes and you had a number of tax. And if you went over it, you Bill went up. And so I didn't really send hardly any text messages for a long time. It was all aim for years, and years. Yeah. For me it was my, my family. My wife is Filipina and we have a bunch of. Philippino friends that I'll come over and visit a lot of mave relatives back in the PI, and the so there, this is like years ago, but they would come over, and they would text message constantly because that was an easy way to communicate with their family and friends back there. And then like the same week I was in the middle of a trial. I don't know. Like I said, this is probably fifteen years ago, maybe longer when I first started practicing when you witness management is always like the hard thing in trial, it, you've got something back the office, who's calling the witnesses and trying to make sure they're not stuck in traffic or whatever. And the guy in the black robe is saying, hey, where's your witness? And then you're in trouble if the witnesses and there, and so we would get these breaks and you'd run out of the room and you'd like us the phone, you'd be calling people all the time to try and figure out whether our I don't know how people did it before cellphones. But the but then I realized, wait a second. My assistant back at the office can be doing all of that for me. And she can text me. Me in court because it's not, you know, doesn't make any noise and I can have updated information all the time. And it was like it was like the world open to my brain. I don't know why it took me something like that to figure it out. But text messaging is more than just, you know, asking, you know, your spouse to pick up cookies on the way home from work. It's you know, I mean that's the most important part, perhaps, if you're hungry. But right, that's true. Yeah. People I mean, people, my age are probably older than me to things like I message or SMS text messaging, that's the default for a lot of people. You know, people my parents age, like if you look at my call history, it's mostly my parents, it's not my buddy from college. I keep up with it's not my brother who's the same age as me it's you know, it's, it's a generational change. I think for better or for worse, we, you know, it's an argument for different time, I think, but yeah, I message in. Regular has really made that even stronger in my mind because it gives you those conversations on your iphone on your ipad on your MAC messages opens at logging on my MAC and it's you know, it stays sinked up, and it is, there are some people in my life. I communicate with them online one hundred percent over messages. And, you know, if we go to have lunch, we've scheduled that over messages. Right. We don't, don't necessarily talk on the phone, and I think was on a good job with what they've done with the messages platform, as a as a fun like kind of a fun super set on top of regular text messages. I think there's a lot we complain about apple often on the show about their things. But I think messages is one thing we've really got. Right. I mean, I think the security model with the end to end encryption is great. I think the way they've tried to allow you through. Both emoji and me Moji. And, you know, all the other things they've added to it to allow you to get a little bit out of that one dimension that you get with texts making it fun. And you obviously, that's because a lot of people are using it. They know everybody's using it, but they've put effort into making messaging better, there's a couple of things about messaging that are different than Email that I wanted to discuss in one of them is to kind of go back to the idea of a synchronous city of the idea that when you send a message you expect a reply sooner than you do with an Email, and I actually liked to question that because I know a lot of people have the expectation of an immediate response. But I don't. And so that's one way. I try to control things as I don't feel compelled to immediately respond to messages. I do leave the badge on. That's one of the few absent, I badge, but that's why we'll get to it. But I like I was just out with family shortly before recorded this. If you days it was. Father's Day, and I was out with my kids and it was having a good time. And I had a client sending me some messages. And I looked down saw who they were from I didn't read them. And I just left them there and like no, this is a day for Father's Day. I'm not going to be dealing with this right now. So I, I do question the idea of immediate response with messages. Yeah. That's a personal thing. I think I definitely have other people in my life. You feel the way you do. And then I've got other people who, if I send them a message, and they don't answer pretty quickly. Oh, what's wrong? You know, 'cause they're fast. And I tend to be on the faster end of things as well for whatever reason, but messages, does make it easy. You know, if you just wanna glance, if you're wearing an apple watch messages, I think is really powerful there because you can just kind of keep tabs on things and then move on. I totally agree. And I guess the point I would make I don't think there's a right answer here. But you should be deliberate about your answer. You know, whether messages is something that you respond quickly or something that you. Feel comfortable not responding quickly but, you know, give some thought to it and, and I really liked the idea of using messages, particularly with friends and family like with the communications Stephen, and I have a related to we have two kinds of communications. I mean, we were buddies so we can communicate about friends stuff. But we also our partners in this podcast and we communicate about professional stuff, and the, the method we use is, and we never really had this discussion. But I think we both kind of fell into this is if it's something about the show we message in slack, and we'll talk about slack and the little bit later. We have a platform for that. But when we're message each other just about, you know, friendly stuff it usually comes in messages. Yeah. I, I do that with several people, and it means a lot. It means like clarity for me. You know, are we talking about work, we talking about friendship stuff and things can kind of get overridden, one by the other nice to have separate lanes. Yeah. Be before we. We I went up more about kind of how we're using messages in different contexts. But I think one one thing, people really get frustrated with an messages or things like split threads, where you're spying to somebody, and then all of a sudden, you get a another text from that person in the same person, you sort of have to threats going on. And Apple's going a lot better at merging, those over time, generally, what's happening there is that someone's quote caller ID in their messages. Settings is set incorrectly. The way I use messages is I just have my phone number enabled. You can't send me an I message to an Email address that I own. I won't get it because I don't have those, those emails enrolled in I message that has a couple of benefits one, it's not a emails public and the Email that I use for I message is pretty easily. Guess -able and so I don't want random people messaging me ahead that happened twice. Years ago and say, no turning this off. There's a privacy thing there. But also it means that if I start a new thread with somebody, it's always going to be from my phone number. And so, I don't run the risk of creating these these fracture threads, but for just my dad for a long time. His phone was set up to send from his phone number. But his ipad receptive, send from his Email address, and one day, I was at his house, and I just like picked up his eyes fixed even tell him it was like, Nope done. They're all coming from the same place. Now. It says something you can look at your settings and messages on your phone on your ipad on your MAC, make sure that you have the, the same number or the same Email address. They're all checked. You have them in order, you want them. And then another feature that I actually really like, and it's new as of maybe a year ago is messages in the cloud, and this was a new feature that's supposed to come out with IRAs twelve and then it was a little bit later. But it does a better job at sinking message history across devices. It used to be that you'd pick up your ipad and if it had been off line for a while maybe in your backpack, it wouldn't have. Your most recent messages and measures in the cloud does a better job at keeping those in sync. It's not perfect of had it pick up a few times, but it's better. And now the maximal does the silly thing that, when you log into your MAC, you know, Monday morning. All your muscles are going to zip around, like the sidebars going to change bunch, as it loads in three days of messages that which they handle that more gracefully. Yeah. And you get notifications like just pour in yes, they should make that better on the MAC. But I do feel like I can go for my ipad to my phone to my max much more fluidly, quickly and messages, it's like always sinked up. It's if you haven't tried that yet I think it's worthwhile. If all your devices support us, you got to be on Iowa's twelve and I think Mojave Mojave to, to support it. But it is it's a nice feature. It's one that makes it, it of makes the benefit of messages being cross platform makes that stronger. And it's, it's usually that I really liked that. I'm going to be having a conversation at pick it up later on other. Device, again, just like Email, just like slack, just like something else. And I guess a related point, Ed make is if you haven't been paying attention. Apple messages has a lot of features. We could really do a whole show on that. Maybe we will at some point we're not gonna do it today that we got a lot to cover already. But if you use messages, you should learn those features because the threatening the group messaging, there's a bunch of stuff in there that you can really help manage communications. I mean one of the messages, I'd like to get out of today's this stuff is in your control. You can ignore threads in messages. You know, there are things you can do to, to make this more manageable and more on your terms. But you just gotta learn those features one of the challenges, I have with messages. Like I like them for friends and family. Try not to do business through messages, because it's really hard for me to process that on the legal side. I mean I can do it, obviously, I know the share button exists, and I can put them into Omni focused. Asks and do other things with them. But it is it's more. It's just more difficult than doing it through mail or through some platforms as base camp. Or, and, and I just don't really like the idea of clients sending me substantive communications via text or try to avoid it. Although fortunately, a lot of them have my cell phone numbers of some of them feel free to do it. And then that's that causes all sorts of issues. Sometimes I have to screen shot things. Sometimes I have to like I said, share the message envy, all kinds of other nonsense. But so I try to avoid that when I can that, that, that is one thing about them as not a superfan of. Yeah, I could see that sort of use case being not as nice as something like Email. But I, I think we would without that need. I think people again, it just comes down to maybe where you are. Maybe it's age. Maybe it's culture like like here in the US messages, dominates, and most of the rest of the world platforms like what's up and even. Facebook messenger and others dominate. Right. So it's all relative to a degree. But I think some things we've talked about, like speed of response. I think something like read receipts having those honor off that sets an expectation for the other person's. Oh, I have read receipts off by default on all my devices and on IOS. You have a little more fine grain control on the MAC. You can go into like a threat or go into a person and you know, hit details and then you can say send read receipts per person, so on, on the on the iphone and ipad. So a little bit simpler, I have released its on for my wife and I think, maybe Mike, but that is that's it because very often, I am recording or I'm doing something that if those going to be a delay like there is some sort of expectation some sort of cultural thing where oh, you have your read receipt on. So I know you read it, but you haven't responded yet. And again, maybe that's an age thing or whatever it is. But that's a weird space to be in. And so I want put people there, and, and it gives me the freedom to answer much later if I need to. So I have those off for, for just about everybody. And, and that's something to that, if you have the mom by default, and you feel like you're sort of overwhelmed, or feeling like you're kind of drowning in in messages that may take some of the pressure off, I would encourage you to explore checking that box and leaving read receipts off for a while. And let's see how that feels or even muting threads like we all have those like noisy family. I message threads messages lets you meet those you can go into the detail view, and you can set do not disturb on an individual person or a thread. And that has been a lifesaver for me, my wife's entire family communicates via I message and like leading up to Father's Day. For example, it was chaos. And I was like, well, I'm just gonna put. This threat on do not disturb and I'll catch up on it in an hour. When people have decided what we're doing, and that can be a real life saver, too. Yeah. And I do think it's interesting. You were talking about different generations like when you were saying that I was thinking my parents generation, they wrote each other letters. And I mean one of my parents died, I've had all these love letters and then my, my generation was the telephone. I mean in the seventies it was every family had a telephone with like a twenty foot long cord on it. You know, some people is in this show, or just rolling their eyes right now, some people are like remembering this, you know, but you had you had a telephone the house like a twenty foot long cord. And if there's a teenager in the house at some point, the cord would go from the wall to a closet or some other place in the house where they'd be in there on the phone talking to their friends, or boyfriends or girlfriends, and that was how they got privacy. You saw cord stretched into a room with door shut, you know, and then, you know, the new generation is text message. I can't I have to wonder what my. Kids kids, will the next, you know, they'll been neural implants, or whatever telling but, but the interesting thing is you lose a degree of emotion out of this new communication device with messages, ain't this is the point, I guess I'm getting to is even though text messages, great. And it's superior in many ways. It's also inferior. Yes, in the idea of context, and you can solve that with some of the issues like emoji. I you know, Katie and I used to always battle about emoji, but I do think they serve a role when I send a question of somebody and I put an emoji to it. A lot of times it helps get across whether it's urgent or not are Geant, or whether you know, if whether I mad about them, not answering my question or I'm just, you know, asking them a room, you know, you can actually convey certain degree of emotion through emoji and some of the other stuff apples added. And I think you should use those tools, but you should also be aware of when those tools are not sufficient in, and even you and I have had conversations or messages or slow. Lack where at some point, and I'm usually the one to initiate say, hey, can we just get on the phone real quick? You know. And, and a lotta times you'll find out that you've started a conversation in, in one mode in, in messaging that, that needs to go to some other mode. Yeah, I think that's, that's absolutely right. I found myself doing that sometimes with work for in slack. I'm talking to somebody, and it's getting complicated. Or, you know, I feel like there's, there's a gap in our communications, okay? You know, I'm gonna hit the phone icon and pick up. And we'll just talk about this for thirty seconds and kind of clear, the air, and that could be a really a really useful tool again. It's not one that comes naturally to all people certainly doesn't come naturally to me, but it it's good that you can kind of fall back to those other those other methods. And I think, you know, even talking about any of this. Right. There are things with someone in real life says, hey, can ask him this and I say, hey, Email me, or on occasion, you know, fame member will want something complex. X via a phone call, but I just, you know, send me a Texas in an Email, so I have what you want and writing. And then I can, then I can work on. I'm not afraid to move between mediums when I need to I should be better at it to your point. But I think that, that's something I don't think any of us should feel locked in the communication sort of mechanism that the conversation started. And if the conversation is better suited elsewhere, I think that's totally fine. I think most people get it. I think most people would understand that. Hey, we need to shift gears a little bit who's anything wrong wrong with that at all. They're Rosemary orchard, and I have a shorthand where like when we're doing automated planning or maybe just talking about life, if we get to a point where one of us is you want to do a call if the other person is available. They just call, you know, she's in Vienna's with to FaceTime audio. We can't do a telephone. But so who, if one person asks and the other person's available? We don't even text anymore. It's just call. Comes through. And I know how we got started doing that. But it's nice, you know, it's kind of a shorthand way to get to transition, this episode of the MAC power users also brought to you by one password, one password is an app and a service built for today's world, a world where we have countless online accounts. 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And you can sign up for a free thirty day trial, when you do sign up you'll get twenty percents off, once again, that's one password dot com. Such MP. You. You know, something I've become way, more intentional about the last couple years is separate platforms versus specific types of communications, you know, I think partly because of the problems with clients and text messages. I began to look for just additional places to go in, for instance, relay your company has a very successful slack installation, where all of the hosts and the people who do the back in administration. And we all have this watering hole. We can go round for communications related to the business of making podcasts for really. Yeah. It has become it has become my workplace, really. You know, if slack is open on my computer, I'm at work, and it is, it's really nice to have a single location where this used to be scattered across Email accounts, and I- message and everything else. Yeah. It's great. And, and I like it. And you know, I've got some other slack. Installations at one point, I toyed with the idea of putting the law practice on slack, and I I've been talking off and on about base camp on the show now for a few months. But the reasons why I went base camp is that you can create basically separate project for each client or each client matter. And there's I it's kinda built in a way that's very easy to isolate different things. So like client, a doesn't have a shared room with client be right in and everything's kept independent in it works, great for that. And but that's become a separate bucket for me. And it's much easier to track and manage projects through base camp communications than it is through text messages. So you know, it's kind of a successful bucket for that kind of stuff for me. I've also moved a lot of the MEK sparky production stuff in there, the editorial management in the field guide kind of back in, because I have people helping me with parts of that now and it's an, you know, I it was an expensive investment. It's thousand dollars to get a base camp for year. That's there. It's like a one price fits all, but but because I have it I use it for a lot of things, and I'll probably renew it. I I wasn't sure if I would I've got enough clients using it now. Good. I'm doing enough back in stuff. And honestly, tell you through part of it is I really liked the team the people that make base camp. I really like what they do. I don't know how to put it so. Well, I read their books and I just think it's a you know, the whole thing I cool company. Right. I think something like slacker base camp there. Those are good options when Email and messaging services aren't aren't meeting your needs. You know, basecamp like you said, it's, it's project oriented. So it's not so much the river of conversation that is relay slack, and really slat gives you tools to divert that river into various channels. You know as a have podcasts here in a podcast there, but everyone is sort of in the same body of water, this analogy is really working well for me. Okay. Just just keep just keep riding the wave. Yeah. Oh boy, we're good. But it's hard to break that into projects, and you in slack, the way, you do is you create a room and you kind of say the conversation is limited to the scope, but it doesn't really work as well. Something like base camp. But, you know, slack meets the needs that we had every lay and I am in a bunch of slacks. Like I've been in them for a wedding. I was in a couple of years ago where I was a groomsman all the wedding planning wasn't slack. And there was a room for everybody, and then there's a room for the groomsmen, you know, room for the bachelor party people room for the bride's maids, and then room for people helping clean up afterwards, and it was great. Because instead of having a much emails that people don't look at or a bunch of text messages. You can't keep up with it was all kind of a one place. And I find those uses for things like slacker. Other options really interesting. It's like oh yeah. That's a great way to communicate with thirty people about a wedding, and I think people who are using slack outside of, oh, we have a business, and we've talked with our co workers, some of the most interesting stuff happening on selects platform. No, I agree. I think it's really good for, I guess, for lack of a better term, hurting cats. You know, when you've got a bunch of people, and it's very easy to go off on tangents. You can create little side rooms for those tangents, but also, keep the main thread going forward and keep the work getting done. And in addition to using for work, I think they could be good for social the things as well. But you're right there in my head. There's a clear distinction between the type of project management I can do base camp. Versus the type of ongoing communication. I can do slack like like you and I plan the shows outside of slack. We talk about planning in slack, but we do the actual outlining somewhere else. And, and I think if you're looking for that place to have the communication lines open. That's what it's good at its far superior to try to do this, in messaging creates a record. It just I mean you can it's just it's superior in almost every way for like that type of communication, we've talked about this before, but you can bring in data. And like other information from outside websites into slack. So if you are working with the team on social media, and you want a record of all the tweets sickest, Senate, by the company, whatever you can you can bring those into slack into the conversation, and that's something that other things just can't do like you're not going to get that in male or something else. And so it's one area that slack kind of stands above the rest. I think yeah, there's a reason why there's this acceptable. Yeah. Yeah. Very successful. A couple of others us wanted to, to mention briefly that I use one is group me it was independent, but Microsoft bought and a couple of years ago, and it's similar to I message in the sense that it's, it's mostly techs base and its cross platform. So you can install group me on an iphone or an Android phone and they have a website. That's, that's pretty. It's pretty okay. And I use that for a group of friends in real life. They were kind of using it for something else. And we just sort of ended up there together, I can attach images and do all the kind of I message type stuff it is have a couple of neat features, though. Ingrate polls within group as, hey, we're gonna go to dinner to we won't talk os. Or do we want to go to the house, and you can kind of vote they're in a poll, you can favor items for later? So it has some nice stuff, even above. I message but it's an alternative that I think I think it's actually pretty popular. I think a lot of people are actually using group may because people want the I message would have functionality where, you know, Android is kinda stuck with SMS and Google has released struggled with having a decent chat platform, they've launched several and they've they've really struggled with something good cross platform. So then group me is kind of, in that space where if you're group people's kind of like half and half between iphone Android grew me, kind of rides above that divide really nicely. And so it's one that may not be for everybody. But it's all turned out there. And then, of course, there, Skype which I use for podcasts in you and I are talking via Skype right now. Skype has text chat and a bunch of other stuff. I basically just use it for podcasting. But again, I know other people who use Skype as if it's their telephone number. Or who do use it to talk to people directly via text messaging type stuff within Skype. So another option out there, if you need, you know, maybe you need VoIP calls, but not on FaceTime. Skype on. And, and it's, it's pretty okay on, I was so you have some options there as well. Yeah, the this really we're only at the tip of the iceberg. There is we can go forever. Seemingly unlimited number of communications platforms out there. Some of them are, are start startups that are just trying to build a big audience. Some of them are very custom solutions designed with a particular type of, you know, maybe it's a security focus an encryption, focus, or maybe it's a something where you can draw pictures or play checkers, while there's a whole bunch of stuff that people are trying to do right now to make him indication easier. And with all these phones in our pockets, you know there's an obvious market. Sure. I mean, we mentioned what's app for instance, which is hugely popular, Bob Facebook, a couple of years ago, and it is the platform and a lot of places in the world, you know, just like in the in the AOL instant messenger days. You know, Europe was using MSN. I don't know how that. Happened. But that's what happened and, and people sort of live within that. And then you Facebook messenger and people message each other Instagram, a lot of these companies have messaging platforms as a sort of an addition to their, their main product, you know, you could say that about apple two and there's lots options against depending on what system. You're people are using, you know, the friends and family members, you wanna talk to, but something to, to consider, and this is a bigger topic, but something to consider is what about what about security are these things into end encrypted. Not all of them are, and something to consider if you want or need that sort of security, I do when reason I try to use. I message above almost anything else from my personal work is that I want us to be ended in a crooked. I don't want governments or other people snooping in on that. And that's not true of every option. It's being. Added to many what's app has it and others have added it. But that's something to look at to what is the security story with this with the service because we share personal data on these all the time. And it's an important thing to look, I agree. I agree. Let's talk a little bit about controlling 'cause move talked about these forms of communication were using. But the underlying problem is how intrusive that can become in your life, the more of these you adopt. So let's talk about controlling notifications for a little bit. Okay. Yeah. This is a, a deal where it's very dependent on the device. You're onto there's three knowledge base articles in the show notes, I o s for apple watch. I think I get through the US get three your I was kind of ways like is he going to bring it? You can set your notifications of independently on your devices. And of course, if you have an apple watch you do some neat things of I don't want this go to watch just the phone or vice versa. So I'll have those links in the show notes. I think. I think the biggest question here for me. At least the way, I think about it is, does this platform and do the the conversations. I have on it. Do they do? They have a right to interrupt. My day. Do they have enough importance to interject themselves? And the answer for me at least for a lot of them is. No. And so while I have and slack, I'm at a bunch of channels only a few of them notify me when anything happens in them, and a bigger set have me notified when my name is mentioned, some of them. I'll just see you when I opened slack because they're just not as important. Yeah. Male VIP another, another huge example. Right. I don't want I finished vacations for the one hundred emails. I get a day. I just want them for the four or five people that are the most important. And, and so everything else falls falls into my inbox, and I'll see it when I see it. So I think that's the question does this happen, just so we're clear. I am. Yes for yes, you are in it. I feel I feel like you don't believe me that I said, I add you to it, you know, I don't know. This is a hot proof. I want to be one of your formula. I want to be one of your four and I don't think you should let anybody else in. No, the door closed behind you. I see. Yeah. Like is factory co on your list, the I think you should let him in at this point. I don't want to answer that. I don't I don't think I do. I do have a rant. Okay. Okay. The I think that notifications is one of the easiest things to complain about. And I do think it's one of the most solvable problems in now dear listener. You're listening, right? I'm gonna be you're driving. Maybe you're pulling weeds. I know what you're doing. But the if you can safely right now, I want you to tie a little string around your finger or put a rubber band around your wrist. I want you to give yourself a reminder that later today or tomorrow, you're going to audit, your notifications on your Iowa's thing just do that for us to it for us. We are going to make an improvement to your life right now because this is the easiest thing to solve and it's the thing that I find so many people never bother to do and part of it is this inflation of notifications. You get a new app that says, hey, can I give you notifications because apple? Makes them ask and you're like, oh yeah your new up. You're going to help me out a lot. I I'm cool. You can notify me, right? And then and then you had another one the next day. And suddenly, you've got all these things, and notifying you and, and you talked about no vacations. I like to think about it as a person walking into your office and tapping you on the shoulder. That's about what it is. Right. It's not this is not a trivial thing when you get these notifications. So instead, go through get out your machete, and like just stop it just go through all of the ones that don't need to notify you. I love with Stevens doing with slack. In fact, I needed to get better at that one about really trimming the, the actual rooms, it can notify me. But so often it's all these apps, you know, you don't need to know you know, every time something changes in the news, unless it's really part of your job, you can check that later go through and and just just go at it gang. Just I mean it takes literally like I would say somewhere between fifteen and thirty minutes and they've made it so. So much easier now on Iowa's to, to, to tame these notifications. But you could end just like that little amount of time, you will increase the value of your phone and you're watching your ipad to you exponentially. Because then the notifications that come to you are ones that actually matter because what's happening now for most people is they get so much so many garbage notifications that they don't even notice the important ones, so you might as well have notifications turned on for the goodest doing you. But if you just trim it down to, you know, like Steven. He's got the special people in his life on, you know, on male, only the most important people in his life know. Yeah, but you should do that, too. Right. For your messages, and everything. And, and look, I do this, and I have to go through and do it every, you know, six months or so, you know, because I do get the creep. You know, the creep when you install new apps, and I'll catch myself realizing, oh, wait. Isn't I'm getting too many notifications again. But every time I trimmed that list out and just get the ones that are really important. It's like having a new phone. I mean it's such an improvement to the utility. How's that for so box? No, it's good. I think I think I even needed to hear it when an Iowa up ask you permission. Hey, I wanna send you notifications. My default is no. And, and that alone just keeps new stuff from from coming into the system. It's hard for me man. It's hard for me the new apps. I think it's going to solve all my problems. It's never going to solve your problems. And then if I need it later, or I realized that, oh, okay. I see how this works. See what it wants to do. Then I I give it a shot. I it's something that takes some some tending. I like that. I like that challenge to. To go through into prune every once in a while, and I think that's something you could have and as a repeating task, you know, what's quarter once every six months go through there and check those things because they build up over time, and I will say Iowa says a lot of options so you can deliver quietly, so it's just in your the pull down, like notification screen and not on your lock screen. You can say badges. No badges sounds. No sounds as lots of options and on the MAC most of those options exist, I think, in on MAC, OS. It's a little more clunky to adjust those things. But you can do it there, too. You know, if if you're tired of those banners coming in the upper right hand corner while you work go into notifications system, preferences and, and look around and see what you can what you compare it back, and the, the result of it is not that you're going to. Have fear of missing out the result for me one hundred percent of the time is I have more focused work time. And those things are will be waiting for me. When I go, make my rounds. And, and that's totally fine. Yeah. Instead of plane cross road. Let's make an imaginary game in your head. We're going to call it a notification ater that I like that. All right. It's already in your you don't have to install. It's already on your device. All you do is go to notification screen and see how many you can kill and five minute session. It's great. I'm gonna get a high score this week man. I'm going to go through and, and knock down a bunch of them. But but and it is the thing that you get that benefit. But then you I know I drift back into getting too many notifications. So, so think about one of the things they do with IRAs now as you can actually kill the notification at the notification level, just swipe all the way across, and you can kill it right there as they come in so you can play that game all day. It's a good game. I like that this episode. Of the MAC power users is brought to you by Texas. Bander Texas manner is the, the allows you to type a fuse characters in on your keyboard and have it auto filled to a bunch of text, but it's just so much more. 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I don't even know how long it's been. It's been aroused with her on a longtime on IRS. It's part of the MAC now is well, that can meet you notifications for a set period of time. And before we kind of get into the, the nitty gritty of I wonder what you think about this. This seems like something that you would be into big time. Yeah, I mean, I have a podcast called focused so that gives you an idea. Right. But I do think, and this has been kind of an underlying theme of this whole episode is that digital communications are great, but universal digital communications anytime you want. It is, is mad this. You know, you still need time for deport this a scrape book by caliber Newport called deep work. And I totally believe the premise of the book, is that going forward, people who can actually spend blocks of time. I'm doing hard work in this age of interruption are the are the people who are going to succeed in, you know, I'm trying to figure out a way to convince my teenagers to read this book, and understand what, what is telling them, but it's so true. And all the stuff we've been talking today, all the cool stuff, you can do with communications can be an interruption for that. So do not disturb for me is something that it's a necessary tool. I'm glad apples continue to make stronger because you can put a blackout and communications in your day, and I do it surprisingly often where I just need to get stuff done. And this do not disturb feature. If you're not using it, you're, you're missing out, because this is a great way to of cut yourself off from the world once in a while and do your deep work. It's kind of, like the, the old days where you would go it shut your office door, and people want it come in and bother you a now and our virtual work environments, or are mixed environments is a great way to, to shut the, the world away. And so there, there are a couple of ways you can do this. Of course you can just go in and turn it on and control center. Turn it off manually if you want, but I was does have some nice options, you can set it for one hour. All these are, by the way, hidden under the like three D touch force touch happy, touched depending on what device, you have long than I have thirteen. It's gonna be a long press now. So but, but, you know, just I don't want this to be taken lightly. You know, Steven said you can do it anytime from control center. You can do it any time from control center. Think about that, right? I mean, the next time you've got you gotta get your report done for work, or you promise a client something. Or you're writing something to turn into school in your on a deadline, anytime you want gang swipe down to controls in our up, depending on your device, and just tap that dean de button, just tap it. It's great. It's like the world is off of your back. You know. And, and right. So you long press, I think this started with, I Iowa's S, twelve or eleven but it's great because, you know, the, the problem, I think one point of resistance people as well oppress it. Then I'll forget to unpreced and then important calls will come through an offer gets take him, but you can say, no just give me an hour or say until the evening or until I leave this location. You're walking into the movies, don't be that guy with your phone going off in the movies, just just hit the dean D button, insane till I leave this location. And then when you walk away the robots in your phone will say he's no longer the movies, turn it off. You know, or the one I really like is until the end of the calendar event. If you like to use your calendar you to block scheduling like me just said it. Okay. I've got a two hour block here to do substantive work until that blocks over DND is on us that one every day. That's, that's a nice feature. And I will do what it can to surface. Those on the lock screen in the series suggestions. Oh, it looks like you're having event you want to any surplus over in my experience. I've had very mixed luck with those appearing. I don't I don't know how to, to make them appear. They seem to, to come and go as they wish. But yes, not aggressive enough. I wish that it was more. Yeah, I do too. I was the system through that you more often that just doesn't do it. It may be that my location doesn't change very much. And so it's got less to kind of learn what I'm doing. But the only time I really see consistently is if I go see a movie, but my phone buzz in my pocket, and I pull it out like oh, she went to disturb on till the end of captain marvel say, yes, I do. Thank you iphone. So it is nice when it happens, there's a Lincoln in the show as well to a series shortcut, that was put together by Federico that basically put some of the stuff into a shortcut and you go in there and customize it and one thing he has in there. That's nice is set in time you can do that in the IRS settings, you can set. DND by schedule so energy, not disturb at ten PM an exit at six AM, but that's every day. So if you if you need something a little more flexible, this shortcut can really, really come in handy. This is an area. I really wished the MAC would catch up on the MAC has been basically very in some ways very similar option. So you have a schedule, but you have some maximums if except to you can say when the display is sleeping a huge is when Mirroring two TV's in projectors. So if you're projecting in front of a boardroom your, you know spouses, and this and do something embarrassing, and that can be a real life saver. But I, I wish the maquette some more options around the, the calendar stuff in particular. It's my point of view is a MAC Centric worker, but it'd be great packages kinda kinda come in and out, do not disturb as things pass on my calendar. And maybe that'll be something that we see in the future. It's not here as of today. You can do some of it through keyboard maestro. But it doesn't have that vital trigger of set do not disturb on, I don't think they have access to that. But the but on Iowa and we I guess I'm doing a lot of cross promotion today, but on automated, we did a show up in San Jose. And one of the amazing things about the next version of Syria shortcuts, is there are so many triggers now that allow you to work on location, and, like, plugging into carplay, and like, and you do have the ability to turn on do not disturb automatically through Syria shortcut. So if you start thinking about this, you can actually get very granular and autumn. Attic, with the stuff, which is great, which is great. But but, you know, getting back to the beginning of the segment all you're gonna do swipe ticks, a second. And if you're gonna you know, if you're going to change modes you can do this with a swipe and it really makes a difference. I think this is even e-. You know as as few people. Title that prune their notification like even fewer people use strategic use of do not disturb to get their work done. And you know Apple's giving us the tools gang. Let's use them you have options and do not disturb for phone calls. So you could say no phone calls come through only my favorites come through. You have, what's repeated calls. And so this takes care of the nightmare scenario where you've put do not disturb on, and someone you don't know, trying to get a hold of you. You know, God forbid, a police officer fight, I always think worst case, but. If they call you twice within a matter of minutes, then it will come through. So you have some, some really nice options around that, and then you have do not disturb while driving, which is, is do I disturb for your phone, but instead of based being based on calendar or location, whatever's said, hey, if I think you're driving go to start mode, and you have three settings. You have automatic you have win connected to car bluetooth. And then you have a, a manual tuggle, and I would say with this, that the manual toggle for me at least is basically useless because I'm just not going to remember to do it. But connecting Takhar bluetooth is really nice. I have a story about this. When, when disturb driving, I came out, I had set to automatic, you run into a couple issues with this one. If you're a passenger in a car, it would put your phone down disturb, right? Because if you if you're driving a bluetooth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because it's you know, I'm in the passenger seat it thinks I'm thinks, I'm in a car knows them in a car based on speed, and that sort of thing but ice. Rip it while riding my road bike. So I would be out pedaling away that across whatever speed threshold at thought it was in my phone with air Do not disturb. And then I'd miss a phone call or something. So when country car, blew think is the is the nice middle ground here, where most of the time if you're driving you're in your car you connect to it. It will never do not disturb. You can have it send a message replies as someone sent you. An I message or text message. This isn't me ply saying, oh, I'm driving L. Let you know, when I get there, you can turn on and off some options in there, but it's a really nice feature fiddling with our phones in the car. We all know it's incredibly dangerous. Apple even has a feature where if a phone is under parental control. So if you have a sixteen year old driver, you can enforce, how to Serb driving, and they can't turn it off, which is a excellent feature in Apple's part. Yeah. Out of all of this stuff. This is the one. I've really there's a lot of good stuff to harp on in this episode. This is the one that can like actually save your life, actually make a real difference. In people's lives is one that I encouraged, all my friends and family when this rolled out turn this witch on, and, you know, it no text message is worth putting yourself or others. Endanger, what one of the excite got a car play union. In fact, I think didn't I just see tweet somewhere where you were putting one in. I've had it in for like six months. I've got but with mine, it's you know you have to plug in the lightning saying, I guess they've got some now that you don't. But my does require that. And the lightning the plug is in the console. You know, the thing under your your elbow. You know where you but your tissues and your sunglasses? So I plug my phone just drop it in there, and they shut the lid on it. So in car plays good enough that that's fine. I don't need to, you know have a. I don't need to see my phone. I think that's actually safer it is because literally out of sight. I can't do anything with it. But another interesting use for carplay now, let's just say hypothetically, you've got a client that does one hundred take no for an answer. Right. And you put it on do not disturb, but they still just keep texting you. For some reason, let's say that hypothetically, you turn on do not disturb while driving while you're sitting at your desk. But they get the auto responder saying, hey I'm driving right now. And I can't message that does seem hypothetically, stop repeated messages from certain people just to say, I feel like you've blown your cover hypothetically, hypothetically. I don't think that person is even a MAC users, probably safe. Oh, that's great. Let's, let's why this out talking about platforms a little bit. We, we talked about how he's the context is different. The device. You're in front of we want our phone to accurately than her ipad than differently than our MAC. You spoke about Email not happening on your iphone anymore. We haven't really talked about the apple watch and part of that is me, not being apple watch user, but how do you view this platform angle? I think the apple watch is inherent in the stuff for me. I get. That's where the notification show up. It's great. I looked like I was talking about how on Father's Day is getting the messages from the client I wasn't pulled my phone pocket. I would just see the taps on my wrist and look at them and just ignore them the so I think I will watch is great. It's a great communication device. If if you're just part and parcel of the phone for me. It's one of the reasons why I feel like I can carry the bigger phone because it's, it's not as you know, difficult because I'm not yanking it on my pocket. Every five minutes, I've got the notified. It's coming down to watch. So yeah, it's a big deal for me. I think it's one of the selling points of the apple watched for me, personally, it's the it's the health and wellness, and it's the, the notification stuff. I love it something we haven't talked about, at all we didn't even do a segment on. How do we do phone calls is not gonna find? We didn't mention phones, a few times, but, but I was thirteen gonna have a feature where you can just send messages or phone calls from. Unidentified number straight. A message, please. And I'm probably going to have that turned on some of my day job stuff that may be an issue. But, you know, even when that's what I do. Now. Honestly, when it call comes in. I don't recognize there's not a name attached to it. I let it go to message. And if it's somebody, I check them, which is somebody should've taken, I set up their phone numbers, so that doesn't happen again. But yeah, I, I use the phone a lot because in the law job by negotiate contracts, talked to people, blah, blah, blah, a lot of that you need a phone four, I love the airports for that, by the way. So I'm on the phone quite a bit. But, but in terms of digital communications, I, I still am very careful about getting caught up on the phone and try and I try to avoid a lot of the calls. I don't do mini. It's. Parents and in laws, and I have a standing phone call with Mike once a week, but past that, you know, I'm definitely not opposed to a phone call. Like, I think a lot of people my age and especially younger are like there's a realistic to it. I'm not that way, but it's, it's, it's not my default and it's not something that I really think about much in terms of being a problem because I do so little of it. And beyond that I'm not really platforms specific. I remember listening to an episode of cortex ones where gray was talking about how he only does certain types of communications on certain devices. Yeah. And has had that allows him to kind of segregate things. You know, if I have you, you turned on as a notification, and slack, whether I'm on my MAC, or my ipad or my phone, it doesn't matter. I'll you know deal with it, wherever it comes in. If it's if it's something that breaks through the system, I won't wait until I'm on a specific platform to deal with it, one thing I would say that I'm disappointed with is the iphone integration with the MAC because I sit at my desk, most of the day, most days, and I work on this beautiful, I Mak and phone calls come in all the time. And every once in a while, I'm like, okay. Well, this'll be the day that I start answering calls just on my MAC. I mean, it makes so much sense. Your hand is on the keyboard. The call comes in it gives you the little. Drop in I just click except and then in theory my microphone. I've got a very fancy microphone attached to my MAC. And so it should be a very good quality call and the person's voice comes through my speakers and apples in theory. Got it all figured out, and I do this on the I'm I Pat all the time and it works. No problem. There's never any issue. But whenever I do it on the MAC it never works. There's some kind of delay or some problem with that protocol where the person I'm talking to doesn't hear me or the communication is delayed. I, I never can seem to successful phone call on the MAC and that makes me sad. I've had a lot of trouble with it as well. Sometimes at work. Sometimes it won't most of the time, if I'm going to have a phone call. I keep my air pods at my desk and early four phone calls. So someone calls me, I can just pop those in the new ones mandate that pair so quickly. I can I can get him in my ears and answer the phone, pretty seamlessly. So I've kinda given up on that. I agree with you. I wish it was better. Yeah. Me too. That's exactly the way I solve the problems. Well, and, and I even use on occasion, like if I'm sometimes when I'm working on something complicated with a client, I will have I'll get a piece of paper on, I'll start mapping it out or doing stuff. Right. And I, I will use the home pot in the home pod is fine with phone calls. You can do a, a voice call through a home pot and there's no delay in it's fine. It's just like having a really nice speakerphone in your office. But just the MAC just for whatever reason, I, I haven't got the beta running on anything for Catalina, maybe that's improved, but I'm not holding my breath. They didn't say anything about it. Who knows aren't you running into Catalina beta on one of your mouth on a twelve inch macbook that's as far as it's gotten a have not put it into into production that MAC book is like a well, there's nothing audit basically, it's just Catalina install so I'm slowly exploring it next time we do feedback show. We're gonna have to talk about betas by, then I'll have several more installed, and we can share. Yes, the public betas should be here pretty soon. And that's when I'll put the up it on my ipad and my production, max won't see it until probably till the end of August. Just with some work travel, a half or a need a laptop to record on stage. Like gotta be bulletproof. So it'll be a little later for me the normal, but this twelve inch macbook will do fine for now. I'll probably wait to put on my imac till you, you allow me to get permission from Stephen. Yeah, I'm the gatekeeper to Catalina I will say, even this is off topic. The ipad is a lot better with IRAs thirteen. I'll just leave it at the end of hour and a half year, but we'll pick that back up later. Because I do want to talk about that, who I feel like we've communicated a lot about communication. Yes, we have. And hopefully if you're listening, you've got a few tips that can help you out takeaways, I would really encourage you to spend time on those notifications. And don't be afraid to swipe down a hit that DND button. Just try it's empowering. All right. Well, thanks to our sponsors for today's show. That's our friends over at squarespace wants password and smile where the MEC power users and we'll see you next week.

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"I were little freaked out because our server was just massively hammer with a huge load spike. Eight minutes ago and the load average went up to like one hundred and fifty, and I couldn't figure out looking all all the laws like what the Hell's going on. Why is this all of a sudden very heavily loaded? No clue why now we still have all of our listeners on the live stream, we over eleven, hundred listeners in the livestream, and the load is zero point five. And I I have no will scare that I don't know why. Something updating the location database. The the the Lennox photo analysis. Do but feel overwhelmed with the amount of content. I know we've just seen at this point that keynote in the state of the Union. And that's all, but it seemed like there was more now. Obviously, this is a big year. There's a lot of big important announcements, but it just seemed like even setting aside how important in momentum certain announcements. There was just more content and I have to think it's because the stuff was prerecorded. When you do things live, there is a certain amount of slack in terms of I. Don't know walking around the stage. Gathering yourself for the next sentence. You're going to say certainly the transition between presenters walking off the stage in a new person walking on that takes. Takes longer than a cut. Any kind of live demo has way more slack and then a prerecorded thing where everything is perfect down to the second and I think even though the this keynote was not particularly long, it was like an hour and fifteen minutes or something. They packed a lot of stuff then I. Feel I feel overwhelmed with the amount of. Good cool new stuff and I hope we manage to talk about it off. We miss your favorite thing. Don't worry. We'll keep talking about WBZ if he's been a guide for the next several weeks. Yeah, because usually in the summer there's not a whole lot of news especially, as gets like July and August there's not a whole lot of new, so we will have plenty of time to cover whatever we don't know. Where we have time for this week, although we do have more time than usual, because we're not live for the first time in what three or four years I know John. You're extremely relieved to be doing this at home, but I think I speak for Marco and saying that I'm pretty sad that we're not in front of a Oliver Friends in in Walnut. All of our friends, many of our friends in San, Jose or San, Francisco, or what have you but I'm glad that twelve hundred ish of joining us right now and hopefully many many more wants. This has released I gotta say as as quick overall impressions who? WAS A lot. There was a lot and it was fast. You know it's funny. I was one of the first to lament the you know really lame demos into complained about how the I don't to see the what was. It wasn't anchor anchor the. was. but they gave a chance to breathe, and without those demos this was fast I was trying to take notes as I was listening and trying to keep up with twitter, and and you know different slacks, and it was just so much so so fast, which ultimately is very very good, and and obviously there's a lot to cover I. Don't feel like I've properly processed any of it i. feel like a process less of it then went on their. Perhaps because all I do is talk about it all day long with everyone I see. What with me being at the beach with my family I didn't talk about it all day. Long I just watch the watch state of the Union and otherwise ignored it, but I don't know I feel like my head is swimming I. Don't know what to make of it one way or the other. Yeah it's interestingly the the format was so different this year. Forced by Cova nineteen and everything by the way I really respect the intro. Tim Cook the kind where he lay. He sat down on the little stool behind the Empty Auditorium Kind of talk to the nation about what was going on like it was, it was really well done. It was very tasteful and I think a really good job of handling like this is a tricky time. This is tumultuous a lot of ways and and So that was handled well. I thought. And that's the format of the presentation itself being this kind of pretty clearly prerecorded. kind of this presentation is almost the wrong word for it. I guess it was like basically a prerecorded video introduction. It felt in some ways like a combination between like. A cool demo and a a more fun version of like a corporate training video almost. Like An ad way like I I know that that can be interpreted. I don't mean that did a bad way. It seemed. It seemed very produced, but If you look back at recent years of apple presentations. We've said an almost every presentation that over time it has felt a little bit more artificial and a little bit higher budget than what they appear to be leading on with like the. The artifice of it I don't know it's hard to explain, but like the presentation that have been in person in auditoriums so far for the last few years have been. Increasingly corporate feeling and they've had more and more pre produced video segments that they keep cutting to and everything, and so it has felt more almost a commercial. And I think this format change. They were forced to make this year. Is actually a positive thing in the sense that. It br it. Actually kind of fully admits and embraces what has been inching towards long, which is pre produced very high budget, know very high production value commercials basically, but done in like a slight more down to Earth Way. And I think that better reflects the size of the company today it better reflects the importance, the the financial importance on the size of the community and everything it just it Kinda. Better reflects what the company yesterday rather than trying to. Keep! This this train going of this. Old! Presentation! Style! That Steve Jobs used to do back when the world was very different, the company was lot smaller. He was obviously still alive and still doing them. And until today apple was still trying to replicate that and it was, it was losing steam like the old format I feel like was losing steam over the last couple of years, and was starting to feel really stale, and so there are parts of that that I miss with this new format, and they might go back to it at know once. The virus is under. Under control and they can have large gatherings. Maybe go back for I. Don't know, but I feel like this new format is is a more honest and accurate representation of what they actually are today as opposed to trying to continue on the way it used to be of like. Hey, we're still the same old company. Run by these fun hippies where everyone's cool because. That wasn't really accurate anymore. I don't know if I see that distinction. You're pointing out I. mean I understand what you're saying. I know why this format couldn't have as much of the spontaneity because it's not, it's not live, but I don't see that big of a difference other than it being tightened up and you know all the lives being removed you know. Obviously, it feels less friendly and personable than having it live, but. I. You know they're good. Good presentations in bad ones when they're live and I. Think the there's nothing wrong with the format I think just sometimes. The chemistry doesn't sort of combined like what you really need for a good life keynote is. You. You need. People who are excited about the things that are announcing and the things that are announcing you have to be really good and to the degree that they're not in the presenters are fainting excessive enthusiasm that can make it feel a little bit off, but this time around setting aside the weird. Format of people filmed individually and then sliced together for obvious reasons. They had a lot of good announcements, but I feel like this format necessarily tamp down on some of the enjoyment that we normally get like even federally only got in Like One dad joke about the social distancing about the birds right he's usually has nine of those they work well and I think his personality comes through, and you know to to the degree that any presenters are allowed to have their personality. Come through whether it's in. Their attitude or their cadence, or the jokes that they managed to get into the presentations. I don't know what what the filtering mechanism is for those jokes today decide to someone else decide, but like I enjoy all of that and I think. I agree with Marco is I think this year is. A really good job with this year's format given the constraints. It didn't feel weird awkward like we all know that they had to be filmed ahead of time. We all know they were all filmed separately. And if it wasn't that, that wasn't clear, they explained it a little thing at the end that explains all the precautions during filming, but each one of the segments felt like that person could have been on stage modified for the obvious fact that there's not going to be any applause pauses, and they're not gonNA. Make any stumbles, and all the demos are going to be perfect, because then now. They just do them over again right so. If anything I think this format pulls I can pull. This pulls a little bit of the humanity out of it but I. Don't think that's necessary. Like I think you can just leave. Different takes in and leave a little bit of slack and let Greg Make a few more dad jokes and we're back to the best they've ever been. It was actually very nice to not have any third party demos onstage. Those are always drag so. it seems like no one in the room wants those except an apple. Apparently like no, they would go over like a lead balloon. Nobody actually wants. But they did them they had demos of Third Party apps just not done by third parties. They should office briefly. They showed light room. They showed photoshop like that's how apple I think always wishes those demos, but once you invited executive from another company kind a half. Let them talk a little bit about something or other, and that's death. Yeah, so like this new format. That didn't have any demos I. Mean I don't know if they assuming they can. Can Use format for a little while because the virus isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Fortunately, so I'm sure like whatever fall or winter releases they do whatever events they do, pro I would say probably, at least until next spring is most likely going to follow a similar format as this, and so when products get released when when they usually have like game demos, and you look at the new iphone or IPAD. How fast it can run these games. I hope they consider not having third party because this works so much better without them. So we got a lot to go through. We should probably start, and we're going to attempt as I say every year we're going to attempt to do it chronologically. And then we're going to fail miserably and started pretty much with Iowa's fourteen and widgets, which I think the most interesting bombshell from that whole conversation, I, don't think it even happened during the keynote rather during the state of the Union, where they said widgets are going to be swift you I only which I in retrospect I'm not. Not Terribly surprised by, but I certainly did not expect whatsoever, and it makes sense it seems to be because they can serialize and save off the state of the widget, and then just kind of replay it later, and so on and so forth, but I was very surprised to see that that being said the widgets looked pretty good, and you can put on the home screen you can do. What do they call Intel, a smart widgets or something like that or Smart Shelf I forget what? What it was called where you stack smart, stack you stack a few of them on top of each other, and then the the Os and the device will just do show the one that thinks most relevant based on how important each individual widget thinks it is at that particular moment. All this looks really really good. I don't know there's nothing I can think of that. I'm like yes, finally I can have this on my home screen but I. do think that this is one of the lowest. Lowest hanging fruits that they could have picked not from an engineering effort perspective, but from a on guys. You really haven't done anything springboard in ten years. Can we do something? And they did something and it looks good. Yeah, this has been requested future for years and years because the grid icons was a great thing to start with, but if you had told someone in two thousand seven that we still have the grid of icons and twenty twenty, like really nothing different well folders, but really. The, little you know. widgets on not the home screen pioneered by Android used by lots of phones in various ways lists. Can I have something more on my screen, instead of just a grid of APPs or grit of folders, and finally you can do that. They kept they kept creeping up on it. Putting these widgets in the little thing that's to the left right, but now that you. are still there, but now you can put them on your home screen, and you can have them take up. The same amount room has four apps the same around ruined his. What eight APPS right? So they're either squares rectangles. Maybe they can be even taller. Yeah, actually you can do a grit four by four grid of sixteen play. Thank Anyway hexagons coming next year, so you can test them. Yeah, no, that'll be the watchword giant scrolling. Cluster of frog eggs. Yeah? This is long overdue and we'll you know. It's the biggest change springboard in years right bigger I think even bigger fuller's. This is going to change how people's homes screens look and work because in those which you can add functionality that you don't have would would normally have to go into an APP to get I'm sure someone with more watchos experience like underscore would know better, but looking at the API for this looks a lot like. the UI for stuff on the watch where you give a timeline of information. If it's the type of thing, is that I am I thinking of the watcher, my Miss Remembering. The. Complications work where like you provide the timeline of what kind of data should be displayed at what time in the future like to a certain range future, and then it automatically displays it, and so you don't have to an often can't manually updated constantly. Yeah, your APP is running all the time and you know it's basically like an energy efficient way to not have all these operating all the time, but still allow them to put content there and obviously the doesn't work for all things like obviously, if sometimes you don't know the future and can't put out timelines far, but anyway it's a very flexible a be I. Try to be power efficient and you know. Efficient to not have APPs constantly training while still giving much more information and functionality directly on your home screen. As part of this also. Further. Home screen changes. They added the APP Library, which is a better more or less a better way to organize your apps without organizing them so these spatial interface that we've had for ages where you arrange your home screen icons. Craig made a good point of the presentations like. Most people arrange their first screen or maybe the first screener to, but after that it's just chaos right unless you really obsessive or you have very few APPs by screen. Five things are just a mess. No I would say the part of the reason that's true is trying as we mentioned on the show many times trying to organize your home screens a nightmare you I- nightmare see previous episode where I described the experience in excruciating detail, but it's terrible. There's hot potato. There's no place to put things down. You accidentally drop things, thanks. Thanks coach off the edge. It's terrible used to be able to arrange your home screen and the I tunes interface. Even that wasn't a great interface I would kill for a Mac user interface that lets you rearrange your home screen icons just like a real Mac user interface that sort of non-destructive with save with an area off to the side, where you can just chuck things to keep them in holding patterns, and with like multiple selection ranges, and like like just it's A. It's an APP arranging squares literally. That's all it is, but. A decent APP for rearranging squares in on a large screen with a mouse, a keyboard gotta would kill for that if that existed I think people's home screens would be better organized past the first screener to which is kind of help with that, but all we'll do. Is You know let people have even cooler I one or two or three screens, but by screen five. It's still gonNA be chaos so helpful solutions. You know you can just hide those screens. You can just say I. Don't WanNa see an. An screens five six and seven or whatever of my home screens just don't even put them in the little swipe thing. How will you get those apps? The APP library what has them organized by recency in by category, and there's an alphabetic listing. This is above and beyond the search where you have to type out. This is like an organization organized into bins or whatever I feel like. This is a slight abdication of apples responsibility to make it possible for human to actually organize their APP icons. They're saying. Give up because we're never GONNA make it easy, so just hide those screens. It's like spatial organization screens, one two and three, and then browser mode and automatic categorization for the rest, maybe that works fine, maybe known whatever carefully arrange five screens, but honestly I find it frustrating to rearrange my screens, one and two off I look at them I, recently, speaking of Hey, APP, which we're not today. I was trying to find a place to put the half because I. Have Account I'm in the free trial period and I wanted to try it out. I didn't want to be buried twenty screens ago, so it's like Oh God. How do I find a place for that? In my screens, one wanted to. What do I move? And what am I gonNA accidentally screw up when I'm a that's just me. Rearranging the screens that Greg says that people do range, so I still think this is a problem, but all that aside I'm very glad at the you know the biggest change to to springboard in. Maybe ever, but certainly in the last several years, so I endorse these changes I. Just really do wish there was an easy way to arrange your home screens. I'm really curious to see what these widgets look like for something like overcast actually to put mark on the spot. Because my understanding is, there's no way to interact with these widgets, and presumably in the case of overcast you could just use like a now playing at a system level thing, but let's just for the sake of discussion. Say that that didn't exist I. Don't Think Marco. There's any way for you to put like a play. Pause rewind fast forward or anything like that in a widget, which could be extremely useful I. Guess the next best thing you could do is put a list of podcast kind of hop into an play or nobody else. That's still interactive to. That that kind of bums me out that there's no inter activity. It totally makes sense from an engineering perspective, but from a user perspective I'd like to be able to. Interact with some things and I think I'd seen James Thompson say something about how the other. Pe- CALC calculator wouldn't be possible for this exact same reason, and that's it's fine, but it's a little bit of a Bummer, but on the grand scheme of things I'm still really into this widget stuff. I think the APP catalog whatever library things sounds good, too. Because as Craig, put jiggle mode is is a little bit challenging to say the least just like you were saying John. On all the spring springboard stuff looks real. Good. Yeah I think it's it's useful. As we alluded to earlier, it's useful to think of the new widgets more like watch complications then like. Miniature interfaces because they're they are I mean again. This could change as we learn more about them. As where he'd get time to play with them as developers and maybe changes happen over the summer, but it sure seems actually in many ways less functional than the previous widgets have been, and by the way overcast has a widget that no one uses it. It because it's not very useful but I have a widget. It has a play pause button getting that to work was a crazy hack, but it has play pause button, and it does show like the upcoming the next two or three upcoming podcasts and play pause button, and that's it, but almost no one uses it because it's kind of awkward to use. In, the previous versions of So I think I honestly can't think of good reason to have one in this new system for overcast. I don't think it makes sense unless I would again like. I could show the next upcoming podcast, but if I can't tell which one you tapped on. If you tap on it, then that's not of much use. So. I'm probably not gonNA have a widget in the new system. But I'm looking forward to what others have to Vassar able to do with them. I've never been a heavy user, but I would love to do. Things like have have a weather widget showing on my home screen like there are certain things like whether that I always want to be displayed. Maybe you know like they were some of the examples they were showing showing your upcoming calendar events. That's stuff out actually use, and and so I'm looking forward to just having a new fun thing to play with and yes android people I know you. Did it first opportunity I at Cetera? I know, but this is new to us, so we're going to be super kind of. And actually it's not the first android thing that is now going to be. You'd get some more in a little while. I think the because these widgets are you know seem like they're not particularly interactive right now. It doesn't mean they'll stay that way like when they were in the sort of today. You're kind of made sense that they weren't wouldn't be constantly. Interactive is you? Don't even see him half the time. They only have load on demand, but if it's going to be on your home screen all the time. Obviously, apple doesn't want you turning away in burning. BURNING CPU so. They're very conservative with implementation, but it wouldn't surprise me with a few years from now you can finally get essentially now. Playing screen on the home screen with active play, pause fast forward rewind controls than you know like a tiny miniature interface to overcast and does not seem unreasonable for me because it would only be running when the screen is turned on him when this green is turned on and their on their home screen. It's not any different than if they. The screen is turned on and the happen to be an overcast. It's the same amount of CPU usage. Playing audio sound like that and speaking of that to show that they're not afraid of having things running on top of the home, screaming and other places picture in picture which you know from the IPAD available on the phone. So if you're watching some video and you WanNa go someplace else. You can still see the video and a little floating window just like you can't on the IPAD, and if they if they're okay with a bunch of video showing think it should be okay with play pause festival. And a witted. Neither one is going to kill your CPU. So! It's nice to see that coming over. That's sort of like something. They had already implemented the that didn't have on the phone. He's like. Oh, the phone is so small. People want that answer. Yes, everybody wants that on the phone plus pretty big these days. One small thing about the witch can't let go of apparently I think the old API's probably deprecated. Right in that that's also a little bit of a bummer like my ipad and in notification center. On on my iphone I like using this vigil v. i., D., G., E., T. S., and what that does is like an Istat Menus for your phone or your IPAD and on the IPAD I actually have it on my home screen, and it's in for someone like me. Who has no empathy for? The machines are John It actually is very convenient to know. Know, like if I'm actively downloading something that actually going quickly and and that's not gonna be possible anymore, because that you know that refreshes itself like once a second, and for all the reasons you decided you know it's to computational expensive to energy expensive. That's not going to be possible anymore. And that's that's too bad. That being said I understand why from an engineering engineering perspective and an makes perfect sense and I do think that there are probably going to be some cool new widgets with new functionality and I'm really anxious to see or excited to see. How the auto ordering works on those stacks, but I should stop believing this thing. We should probably keep moving along. What was what was the next thing that they talked about certain translate? Comeback do you I for Syrian calls also? Has Been People wanted that since since multitasking was introduced like when a call comes in, why does it take over my whole screen? Everything else that happens. You can have a banner, or you're going to have an alert like the modern notifications. It's an Iowa says existed for a long time and calls have just said No. We are something special because I'm not. Not sure if you know this, but you're actually holding is something we call phone and when you get a call since I'm a phone, it's the most important thing that I do hung it a blackout. The whole screen and nobody likes that and modern other marlins smart do that, and now the iphone won't either it actually shows. Is the notification imagine that? As an thing for Siri you can now activate Syria and do things with it without blanking over the whole screen. You know that may or may not actually make any better. There's a separate section on Syria supposedly being better, but yea for catching up with modern practices in terms of notification. You I yeah. The I'm so happy to see this. As with many nerds hoover complaining about this for years like phone calls the today. Are you know there are some special considerations for a call? Unlike many other notifications that we get, it is a synchronous thing that's. Happening right now you to answer it right now. You can't just wait until later and go. You know so there is some degree special treatment that they need and I'm sure there's probably some regulations to about like how calls have to behave on certain phones in certain countries. Just from you know like AC- or emergency reasons, but for the most part you know this is a computer that you're using, and you don't want anything to be able to do a full screen takeover. You didn't tell to happen and that's a phone. That's a call so done until now. And this also includes facetime calls and anything that uses these systems lip API like a full screen takeover on your computer that is caused by someone else calling you that you have control over. Like that I mean in many ways it has been in can use a dos attempt for someone's device, but it does seem kind of. Ridiculous to think about you know why that would be the case these days, and so it is wonderful. That apple has finally recognized that made this change to be like. 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The one thing I wish is that when you were doing the like conversational mode, it seems like it would be the perfect opportunity to like. Put your phone in landscape and set it between you and the person and I feel like the opposite persons you I should be flipped one. One hundred eighty degrees does that makes sense because right now? You would have to do the like you know. Hold it up to your face and then hold it up to the other person's face. They could read the translated version. What you said was and then bring it back to your face. You can read what they said it was. It seems like such a good tabletop sort of. Of Mode, where the EU is split in half and one person gets each half facing the correct way, but with that quibble, aside it looks really nice, and all the all all the translations happening device now which is also excellent I wonder what they're using for the translation like we're all using google. Translate and doing natural language translation is actually very tricky and Google spent a long time. Time, trying to make their translation better apple. Has It as a feature checkmark yet? We've got translation. But how are they doing for? They're not using Google translate developed in house. Do they license? Is it as good as Google's engine? This is always the question with all these things, so I'm glad apple. Check that box I hope they continue to improve. Translate you just talking about the translate. But translation is also built into Safari. Strangely as far as I'm aware, it's not built at the messages right. Am I wrong about that. I think that's correct. Yeah, I believe only in the translate APP, and then separately and Safari. Yeah, so I mean it seems like a natural inclusion for a future version messages. If you can have a message conversation, and then just happened the thing and say, please translate this. We'll see, but anyway it's. It's good that apple is another catch up in this area and surprisingly for the safari thing. That's one of the features I hear cited a lot, and it's also one of the reasons I go to chrome like I. Use Chrome for some things, insofar as for others, but sometimes I'll be using one of the things they use if Ari for I'll be doing that and land on a page that ain't translated, and it could just go to translate economic. Put in the euro and Blah Blah, but it's so much easier and chrome, because it just prompts you and now it's that easy and safari to. A reason. A lot of people say for using chromosome chrome will translate stuff right and you say well. You don't need to translate. You can insofar as just go to, and they don't WanNa. Hear it just from disaster translated. So now safari does that, too again caveats about the potential quality of the natural language translation, which Google has worked for years and years on Apple, just getting started, but I'm glad the future exists. So messages I am really excited about the changes coming to messages, it seems like they were very polarizing, and there were a couple of like stick in the mud that I saw fly by on twitter, not into it at all, but I love the idea that we're gonNA have threatening. One of the other features that they added opinion, conversation, number stations, and and I, and putting a little cute photos on your messages, I mean those the pinned in the photos are great examples of features that are clearly responses to how people use messages like. If you're a heavy messages user, inevitably, you have certain message groups that are just permanent one for your whole family, one for a particular group of friends one for your parents like and. If. You're frequently using messages a busy day. Your parent group could get pushed down and you want to check in with your parents again at night, and you gotTa Scroll and find the parent group or try trying typing the names again or something like that. Having been conversations and having cute little icons for your pin conversation groups lets you just say look. I'm always going to want to talk to my immediate family. My parents, my in laws, my group of friends I, you know soccer team whatever like? Just pick a set of those and pin them 'cause. You're always going to go back to them. And then there's everything else and then threatening if you're in a big conversation and people are communicating synchronous. Sometimes, you want to respond to something. That was a long time. It was the point of threatening. Sometimes you want to say what are you actually responding to? What are you saying to? What does that Lowell about? Into No, so we can, so threads are thing. They're going to good implementations and bad I think. Today. We have enough experience type of interfaces that you can strike a reasonable balance. We'll see how this bounds is. They're saying yes, you can. Essentially three information will be there, but the messages will, of course still appear linearly, and you can sort of group them by threads. I'm not sure about the UI, but it's kind of like translation. Any amount of threading is better than none. If you don't like it. Just don't use it. In generates to the non-threatening forum, but I think people will like it and use it again as evidence from using things like slack where people were very nervous when threading appeared, but now people use it in I. Think is a pretty natural way like. There's not a lot of fretting about threads. People just sort of use them and understand them and appreciate them. They haven't overwhelm slack. made it unusable, nor are they? Do they go entirely unused and I hope messages will turn out the same way. Yeah, I like seeing that apple's really taking messages as seriously as it deserves. There's also which we'll get to in a while. There's the new messages APP on the Mac, which is now built with catalyst, and has apparently feature parody with IOS, which is the first and. Messages is incredibly highly used I. mean even with the stats. They gave that kind of blew my mind. They said that there is A. Forty percent increase in Michigan sent since last year and twice as many messages. That's kind of incredible for one year of growth. That's a pretty mature platform. But like messengers are so big, so I see with overcast one of the analytics that capture is when you do a share with the activity sheet I save as analytic like what type of shared a destination did you use? So? It's things like copy to clipboard sending messages that kind of stuff and send him messages destroys everything else. It is so much more. So far and above well more used than any other kind of shared a destination in the APP. And so was designed the share panel I was thinking it'd be like sharing social networks and everything and they do, but the it's nowhere close to messages like not even close I think we as like podcasters and. Public twitter personalities. I think we may, we might underestimate how many people communicate with their friends and family only via messages and stuff as opposed to doing anything on the public social networks, or the do so much more of it messages on public social networks it's it's so big and so for apple to invest in it seriously, and not to just let it languish and let it fall behind alternatives like what's APP and stuff like that is really important and so I'm glad to hear. Yeah Up. In years past that message is the most used APP on the phone like members. I, it's a phone, so it should have the phone message taking over. Really what it essentially is is a messaging device like bats, basically what people use their phone? They don't use her phone calls. They don't use it to browse the web or read twitter like if you had to say to a first approximation, what these devices for again just go into public when you can some day again and. And look at what people are doing on the phone. Chances are good. They're using messages. It is the most popular rap by a lot, so yeah and I always felt like their conservatism with the evolution of messages is very similar to the home screen, which obviously is not really an APP but everyone uses you have no choice. It's there when you turn on your phone. You don't want to screw it up and it's in the case of messages. It's a high volume service. And history has shown that making changes to it is a little bit fraught witness messages in the cloud, which was delayed on release, and I think still a little bit buggy, so you really don't WanNa mess it up, but you do have to try Kinda up with the Joneses, so I think apple is still lagging behind and is still not. not able to confidently make these kinds of changes every time they make one roll nervous that it's GonNa screw up, but it is important for them to keep trying so thumbs up on this change. Hopefully, it doesn't hopefully it stable and works well. The, the one change that I'm most excited for is threading because on some group text messages are I messages. I should say there are definitely times I. Get a little lost especially from coming back to something later. So I have a a group thread or a group. Group chat with a couple of other car nerd friends of mine. Not You guys and there's oftentimes we're one of us will come back. Not Having seen the chat for a couple of hours in the two remaining people will have been chatting for the last two hours. They'll be fifty messages there and often. I want to reply if it's me. That's coming back to what I want to reply to something that happened. Way Back Way back. When and that's very hard to do without re establishing a new context and so on and so forth and so. I'm really excited for threads. However I just recently was trying to send a twitter linked to a group chat that was myself and just a couple of the people. And so I went. I looked for the icon that was myself and one of the people in this group. Chat it just to be my brother-in-law. So I, look for an icon that has like my brother-in-law little teeny Blob you know you know, have several circles for the group chats, and the little teeny Blob of his picture, and just quickly went there pasted and hit send, and then I realized I had sent tweet different chat, that was much wider that had many more people than just him, and he was in the other one, but I misfired on account of just looking for him, and then immediately firing, and it was not the sort of thing that I wanted to misfired this larger group and I'm not. Not going to give any more details than that, but I felt real dumb, and I really regretted it. So being able to have a special image for group chats that you can actually add in and specify is awesome with all that said though the only problem here is that this particular brought. My particular brother-in-law is android user, and so I'm assuming that since we can't even rename group chats. That are SMS or I guess I'm only I'm assuming none of these features will be coming to the messages representation of group Messes, and so I'm still screwed either way. I'm actually really curious what you sent him like the the less the less you say about it, the more suspicious it because. Maybe, I don't WanNa. Know now I'll tell you have to show Oh God I'm really excited for all messages changes I'm super excited to hear that there's parody on Mac os big, Sur, spoiler, alert or bugs depending on who you ask anyway. Of. Type, but anyway I'm. I'm really excited for that. trying to plow right along as quickly as possible maps got some updates including cycling directions navy routing two things. I don't care about now. Marco I know you're super excited about the routing changes especially while you use carplay in your. Oh sorry. This is our test is already got routing this customized to so he's not really missing out on that, but it is. Continued shame that Tesla is not hasn't found a way to square that circle with carbon. It's basically it's. It's adding to apparently just BMW's and Ford so far, but more cars coming later the ability to build in charging stops to your routes, which is what Tesla's map in its cars have done since day one, so it's nice. I can tell you. That's a wonderful feature it. It is very nice. It won't at all, but it is very nice and yeah. Man I. IT Really Stung. We'll get to. It really stung when Craig's carplay. It's available on basically every new car. I think Tesla might be the only remaining. Hold out of any major car brand. Now I'm pretty sure I can't think of any other car brand that does not offer carplay at all. I mean help Porsche even offers it for their cars made in the sixties and. We can't even get slow. and that is becoming increasingly a problem for you know for Apple. People! WHO, have Tesla. Whatever! Whatever is causing them to not want to do that I wish they would work it out. Moving right along, we can talk about the home APP, and it's getting adaptive lighting, which is I, guess SORTA Kinda not really nightshift, but for your physical lights, instead of your computer and your and your other devices which pretty cool the face recognition thing, so I think I blinked when that was coming across, so it won't alert when it sees somebody that knows at your front door. Is that correct? It will alert and tell you who it is. Like feature parody, a lot of these features are sort of feature, parody and API's for things that are just expected from home automation. Any you know, catch more catch up stuff like any sort of cameras. Them probably has some kind of face recognition in a library and this is. Home. Kit Support for that activity owns. Specify! The region of the cameras view that you're actually interested in. More catch features, but these are sort of necessary. Stuff that the to be a player in this game that you have to support so good on apple for catching up. I'm really curious how this works. Because like so I have some nest cameras and their first of all they're zone. Detection is garbage, and they're motion, detection and everything. They're like you know the. Camera seem unaware that the sun moves throughout the day. And as a result like shadows happen, an shadows move across rooms very slowly throughout the day as well and nests face. Recognition is garbage, so I'm really curious to see how this works out in practice with these products. This kind of thing that companies have advertised for years as John, said even there used to even be apps for your Mac till at your Mac Webcam do many of the same functionalities. They've never worked that well, so yeah, this is very much. Wait and see for me. Certainly, this is the kind of thing you'd expect. Nest being Google owned to be good at that kind of stuff, and they're super, not so. We will see I. Hope it works out well also. I thought it was very entertaining during this home segment. I'm pretty sure Casey's garage door opener. Raspberry Pi was sherlock. Everyone has been saying that, but I have had a home bridge powered home kit front, end AH FOR MY RASPBERRY PI GARAGE DOOR opener. Do Hecker since I don't know like a week or so after I installed just the Raspberry Pi Detection, and the led thing so I'm not entirely clear what this is buying me other than more prominence and I guess maybe a learning If the garage doors left open. Is that the only new stuff It breathes by really fast so hard to to know you. I, think I think it is alerting, which coincidentally I don't think I've talked about this on the show, but I did set up a home kit automation that when it detects that everyone has left the house, it will then read the state of the garage door, and it will send me a push notification saying either you know you're good. The garage doors closed our own my God. Oh my God! Oh, my God it's. It's open, and that's actually a fairly challenging thing to do. Because using the out of the box. shortcuts functionality. You can't send a push notification based on a home kid event. So what I'm actually doing is calling an API that I have my server that hdd that's then basically just prophesying that to push over which is a really cool APP that has its own front end to sending push notifications to your phone so when the last between Aaron and last of US leaves. Home, Kit will check the state of the garage door and make an HD. P requests to my server, which makes a. Request. Pushover I guess I could skip that hop, but it's my is. It's the most Casey answer is. Over, but anyways the API much simpler. Though, it will send a push notification. My phone, which is super cool and I was very proud figuring out a way to get around the limitation that you can't send yourself a push from a home kit. From Home Automation Anyway, it is. It is super cool that they're getting a little bit more support for that sort of thing moving on, let's talk about carplay because it makes me so happy to hear yourself from I mean it makes me so head. You jumped ahead. You skipped car key. The APP store ipad Os Air Pods Watch Os and privacy law school I'm just going off. The show notes man. No, yeah, you're not following in notes document. What's going on now I'm following keynote order. Well yeah okay, so the the. The, the document is taking precedence here because we're going to skip stuff in the, but if have better notes, you could put them into the document. Okay, we know your document knows better than Apple Order. Things should be presented. No, I'm just saying the document is what case he's going off and he can't see what you're looking at. Thank you John if you're looking at in the document that we can all see it. It was broadcast to the world. I wait. Let's bicker bicker about it later. We'll bigger better later, but the next thing in the document is reorder. You have ultimate power here mark. Don't. The next thing in the document is car play and I guess is some new. Some some support for some new styles of APP said like basically fast food APPs. You can now put in carplay which not entirely clear yv charging APP charging. There were a couple of others. Yeah, parking, EV, charging end quote, quick food ordering. Whatever, however, that's defined so yeah, that's cool. They also did a demonstration of car with the Apple. Marketing term is, but basically you can lock your car. Which Car Ke okay the? One thing no, so they said so the first version of it. That's that's going on the twenty twenty. One BMW five series does not use the you want. It seems to be using something much closer. Maybe NFC based it seems. Because it's you have to be very close to it, but then they said at the end they said that if in the future future integrations will use the one that you can keep your phone like in your bag in your pocket and not like place it directly against the door, so it does seem like it's probably. NFC based to start and we'll. We'll be enhanced with you because what they need is. They don't want to use something like Bluetooth. Because Bluetooth can have things like if first of all could be too long range, and there could be issues with like somebody could set a bluetooth repeater or something, so if you're in a restaurant, they can set up like a repeat or outside the window. An unlock your car from further away than you actually are and drive off. Well the ultra wideband and you won its immune to that like it. It can't have those kind of attacks. It's like the way it works. It can detect that and rule those out and so. They need to use I'm guessing what they're using as NFC. I version because that is like only close proximity, and it's easier to enforce that way, whereas once they have a better negation using the you one ship, they can detect like okay. This is in your pocket, so it's maybe twelve inches away from the receiver, but that's close enough. We'll let it unlock so, but that that is. They didn't give a date for that. They just kind of set like soon. Safari some pretty big changes to safari thing it made me so happy, and and Oh, the Schadenfreude was so it was so strong, just just watching them discuss the privacy report feature. So this is a new thing where you can on on any website I guess you can go and look at what safari thinks it's doing in. The website is doing in terms of tracking you and so. There an example like. A quick demo on stage and they are in the video, or whatever, and they said okay. Let's see what tracking US right. There's doubleclick and Google analytics like feature. Off Center which was so amazing, but basically this will let you see what is a website trying to do, or how many different trackers are and what are the? What they're doing with your information, but how many people are trying to slurp up your information and The reason, this is not a you know a very. Shattering idea, but I think part of the reason why websites can get away with sloping up. All this data is because most people. Even even I is a developer and former web developer I don't really have a good view for how much data's being is being sucked up every time I go to a website, and so I think making this more prominence is presumably going to have and hopefully going to have a tangible impact on a lot of websites now be the only impact is instead of using third party. Stuff that all comes. Comes first. Party and it's all proxy doubt and it gets even grocer, but in the same way that like the location services prompts made it more obvious in the Bluetooth prompts made it more obvious when in IOS APP was trying to do something that could, but none necessarily as be could be nefarious. This will hopefully make it much more obvious when all of these websites are doing things that are almost exclusively nefarious things, and so I am really really looking forward to hopefully seeing changes across the web for the better because of this. Keep in mind. It's not just telling you what the trackers are. It's telling you which triggers it blocked. They have their intelligent tracking prevention dozens of safari. You're supposed to look at this. A be terrified that all these trackers there and be thankful that insofar as says look at all these things I block for your mind. Intelligent tracking prevention system blocked XYZ. That's that's the pitch, so it is both sales pitch and knowledge, and it's good because if you were to look at this and just say Oh here all the trackers your question, so I supposed to do about that like I. Don't like it when I do about it now. When you look at, it will say, here's what safari already did for you, and it will make you feel. Better may also change your opinion of. Of the site that Halley things ahead to be blocked, but mostly I think it's building building an understanding in the public, not so much. What's your being tracked about? But the fact that safari features that prevent that and that's why you should use safari. Instead of Cromer, whatever whereas was already has just does that behind the scenes which it has been. Maybe you don't appreciate that and it's not like a selling future of Safari. Similar to this. Another feature that. Lots of the browsers have the house which is. Password compromise detection Safari through keychain integration will store passwords for various websites and apple will now be keeping track of these big. Meta data dumps to say we know that this many passwords relief from this website on this date and the they'll just update that database and they'll be able to tell you by the way we saw that your email. Address and password were compromised in this website. I should probably change it if you reuse. Your passwords may be a little bit overwhelming to see. Oh God I have to change my password on twenty websites because. Because, they use you know. My Dog's name is the Password on all twenty. These websites that can be overwhelming and I know it'll make. It will just throw up their hands, but theory. If you're using good unique passwords reach website when one gets compromised. You'll at least know that password is burned, and maybe you should change your password i. know from using I guess fire. Fox maybe edge on some third party browsers. They're not. Safari. On my Mac I've gotten these notifications mostly for websites that I haven't logged into the early two thousands, or even the nineties, but if I get notification, I'll go over to it and change the password like it was probably a garbage password that I haven't used in a decade anyway, but it's good to know Orel over there and closed the account. That's the other reminder. It's like I. Still have an account that website let me just delete that account. That's another solution to the problem, so I'm glad this has come to safari because useful feature, but I do worry about regular people being overwhelmed when the one password using every website is compromised and they're like. What do I do now? What can you do? Yeah and it's also been a feature of one password as well they have. They checked with like having been postponed and does various sources and do a similar warning. Going back a minute just before we leave the privacy warning thing first of all, this is basically what the ghost story plug in did back forever ago. it is really nice to see like the list of trackers websites that that are being blocked. Because you know, this is kind of a pattern. Apple followed a lot to to great success I. Think where S Casey. You're saying a minute ago. That a lot of times, your data's being tracked or leaked or creepy captured, and you have no, you have no idea because it's happening behind the scenes in ways that are invisible to you and one consistent strategy, apple does in these context is shine a light on it when it happens, you know. To. Either to just outright ban or block such behavior, or in cases where that's impractical impossible. Apple likes to reveal that behavior to you so that you can make decisions, and you can be more in control and that you know bad actors can be discovered and shamed or controlled out of out of the bad behavior. And, so in this case like web trackers, part of the reason why it's been such a big business forever is that an and continues to be looking to be? Is that pages contract? All sorts of creepy crap using Java script in the background that you have no ideas, even running so anything that shines a light on it and calls out exactly what it's doing. That will you know any sites or bad actors that care about how they look, and that might hear from the users about how about what's going on. They'll be forced to consider better behavior. And even the ones that don't care at least users who care themselves can be more in control can see what's going on can be more aware of what's happening and can maybe make take technical countermeasures on there, and like running block or something like that on their end to control things so anytime apple can shine a light on creepy behavior and put control back in the user's hands. That's a very good thing and what was done here. And in fact, there's also a thing later on that. I don't think we get to separately as ruined here. Doing the same thing I was I was fourteen whenever the cameras or microphones are being recorded from. There's now a recording dot in the status Bar, and that's great. That's that's another thing that like you know they had. They've had the mission dialogue for. Do you want this? APP to access the camera and microphone for a couple of years, but you didn't once you get mission. You didn't know like when it was. Was doing that so for instance, an athlete, a social network that records pictures or videos. You would give permission because obviously you need that to work, but do you want to turn turning on your microphone and your camera when you don't know it probably not so a very useful thing here to control some privacy, potential leaks or violations is give people indicator same thing with location access. It's always had indicator so. 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This is a feature that apple already had an already announced. What the Heck am I remembering that it was so similar to this I enjoyed it and Yup android. Have had this distinct memory apple keynote of them, announcing essentially the exact same features APP clips, but not by that name I don't know I'm getting anyway. If, it already exists in an alternate universe. Alternate version of the Matrix, and that's when I'm remembering, and I'm sorry, but. It's a way for you to do a thing with an APP that you don't have installed without the hassle of going. Full of the parking meter, it says I have to download the whatever APP. Oh, I can use the Qr code always taking me to a web page. The web pages abundant, okay download. An APP star came on the APP thing. I'm downloading it cam opening the APP. Okay, I'm launching. It at wants me to sign in. Okay have to create an account made the account. Okay? Now I've watched the APP now. I'll scan the. The qr code again and now I can pay for parking now I have to enter my credit card number ABC lips trying to stop that from happening. If anyone ever tried to use like just park, just that one example a parking APP. You don't know what the hell parking out this place is using. You don't care what parking to using you just WanNa Park your car, so they're trying to streamline that process which is. Pick your phone up and put it close to a thing or scan thing or whatever, and just immediately say we know what happens is supposed to be. We're not even GONNA by downloading the whole APP or just download this tiny portion of the APP that you need to do your parking. And an apples perfect world. Integrate with apple pay and we'll integrate with sign with apple, so you don't need to create an account and you don't end credit card number, and it's all secure through things that you dressed apple to do, and you didn't have downloaded an entire up as one of our friends that slack when the segmen came on. I'm going to delete a ton of. Of parking applications because you don't need to have the applicant, you don't need like one parking for every single thing and have to constantly be updating them and God, knows those are doing just use the APP clip. It's ten megabytes maximum size apple. Of course being apple has its own special qr code that's round because qr codes for squares and it's got. A. Phone in the middle. A little bit like it looks a little bit like the maze from Westworld but somewhat disturbing, but trying to think about that. Spoils for Westworld. Touch ID thing. Yes, yeah, yeah, it's like it's like if your fingers were perfectly round. Yeah? And you can get the full version of the APP if you want. Unfortunately, they can prompt you to get the full version. The apps from afraid that everything clever. It's GonNa do is immediately you for the full version of that but I'm sure I've. Apple has some kind of countermeasures. There things that you do in the little clip can be carried over to the full APP, so it doesn't just forget that you exist. It knows what you did previously with it, and of course it's not just our parking. It's for any kind of thing where you don't care enough about the interaction to become a quote user of the APP. You just WanNa, do the thing. I love this feature in principle. In practice given that we don't live in an all apple world. I expect you still encounter lots and lots of things that don't know about clips. We still encounter thirty pin connectors hotels right so I'm not optimistic about clips changing my life anytime soon but i. want to live in that world even though it's probably going to be long time coming. Yeah this I would love for this to be a success the way it was demo. D- I. I hope that sometime in the next three years. I have that kind of interaction the demo but I think it will take about that long before it will happen because. I think it will also be far from universal for all those reasons I mean look I had to use one of those parking apps couple of weeks ago and it and it was really one of the biggest. Vendors. Such parking meter things and the APP is a horrendous mess. Because of course it is, and it claims the support apple pay, but the apple pay just kept failing for no specified reasons why I had to enter a credit card and everything and it was just it was just had an account had to sign in all this crap. Again all parking meter that used to take quarters until a few weeks ago so. I I would go to the bank and get rolls of quarters every few months because it was just easier than dealing. All these crappy APPS but yeah, so in an ideal world when everyone makes amazing APPs, the take advantage of all that ballistic Jeez and they actually tried to collect information from as possible. They don't want you to create an account. They don't WanNA market. You and they actually just want things to go quickly. This will be great I hope that world someday exists today it doesn't. There were a couple of interesting things, said one in the state of the Union in one I believe in the keynote in the keynote basically said in so many words that a single entity like yelp could make branded APP clips for many many many different restaurants. which didn't they go through like this big? Like What's the word? I'm waiting for this big accident? They caused a big exodus of like. People in in developers who may who just spit out a zillion? Copies of what are effectively the same APP like several years ago. I thought they really cracked down on that, and now they're basically saying. Hey, have fun again. Well which I think the way they worded it. It sounded like they would let yelp do it and possibly other partners, but didn't sound like anybody would be able to vend multi business clips. It sounded like it was only a thing that some people would get to do like. Yep, that's not surprising and the other thing. Thing that was said during the state of the Union. It was not mentioned during the Keno, but I thought those very clever solution to what could be an annoying problem is that if I understood correctly? All clips get what's called ephemeral notifications permissions so when you use an APP clip, you're automatically giving that APP. Clip the ability to send you push notifications for eight hours, and then at the end of those eight hours it's automatically revoked, and it can't send your push notifications anymore. which I thought was really clever, because something like a parking APP. Which I cannot agree with you more I i. don't live in a very urban area so I almost never run into this, but the couple of occasions I've gone to places that do use these things. It is the most frustrating thing in the world to have to down the and do that whole dancing you described, but anyways, if you have one of these parking, APPs on your. Time is about to expire. You're going to want to get a push notification. Saying Holy Crap, go get your car in so giving having these clips have this short-lived notification access I think it's really smart, so you don't have like a Catalina Slash Vista style. Would you like to give this APP permission to notify you at some point in it's just given implicitly I. Do want to know, and I'm curious to hear preferably via. Via twitter because I don't need a thousand of these same emails, but for those who do use android phones. Have you seen slices or whatever the android equivalent is? Have you seen that be used frequently or is that was that it was announced a couple of years ago? When did it just flashing the Pan and then go away I'm I'm very curious if those actually took off because that's basically our future in a nutshell. I'm thinking to like there there. I hope there's ways that other apps can use these good use like I was thinking because one thing APP clips. Does you know not only? Is it useful in the real world, but also says you can launch it from safari messages. Stuff like that, and so I was curious to see if maybe this could be something like if I could use it as a share link preview, or so like, if overcast could have a clip that could play any share link in a really nice way, but I guess it's. I suppose to use. Messages APPs for that right now. There's still a thing. But I don't know I'm interested to see like beyond beyond the obvious things of parking meters. What else can you do with this feature? Because it is pretty cool and again, the parking meter industry might be very slow to adopt it so I'm curious to see what more creative people can do with it. And it's very general purpose like if you look at how it's done, you make an apple target. It's as far as I can tell us essentially arbitrary code within the limits of the available API's and space again ten megabytes maximum size The notification thing is great like you, said Casey, because the whole point of this experience is not to have to have a million steps, and so even just asking if it can do, notifications is just one extra step that would make it more of a hassle, but I do worry about giving any kind of application implicit impression permission to give you notifications, even if it's only very hours just because. It seems like this potential for abuse in once again, yelp and own opinion yelp, but a lot of people have about them once they get in there there for that is eight hours. They're spamming you with things and making money by being able to spam you with notifications that you couldn't stop. Because I'm sure you can stop them if you turn them off somewhere, but people don't want to know how to do that anyway. I I hope it all works out. It sounds like a good plan. It's a feature that the iphone should have because androids headed forever. And you know I hope we can live in a world where parking gets closer to the role of quarter sees of us. Hilton follow from the Chat Room. The handful of android users that are in there, saying that slices is not a thing as far as they aware, not not to say that it literally is into thing, but I mean by that is they don't see slices in the real world very often or if they do. It's used in some of the context like you were alluding to Marco that they weren't aware that it was a slice in the first place. moving on Mogi search is apparently going to be thing at least on IPAD, which is very exciting. I didn't see any of this. I don't think I. Don't know if I just looked away in the half second that they showed it but I'm excited that it's at least theoretically going to be a thing now because it should be. Yeah, I've got that. Info secondhand to mark. Do you remember firsthand or we chat room? We making this up moldy searches there right? Yeah I I haven't actually seen it yet. It's I thought only not an IPAD. Let me see. I haven't installed by the way this is I. I guess this is me. Admitting I've installed. On everything except my main computer. Main computer. So that I. Bear with me here. Yeah, here to search emoji Yup. It's here all right. Such device on iphone with I was fourteen. You, put Iowa's fourteen on your carry phone, are you? WH- do. You like being. Brain so here's the thing. Here's the thing. Yeah. I'm at the beach for a while. I called right. Excuse for everything listen. I'm at the beach. So true. Normally I? When I when the Beta one comes out I am traveling. You know because we're WGC and we have a busy week full of all this travel and lots of mobile use, and it's critical that your phone works while you're traveling and everything. Right now I'm just sitting here I'm you know I'm doing very little with? That requires my phone to work perfectly. and. I wanted first of all. Apple's been very aggressive and recent years about the public Beta time, and I wanted to make sure that overcast worked with the Beta as soon as possible, the very first thing I did. When the Beta booted up earlier today was launched overcast and playing around. Just make sure it all works because I know that in the they said quote. July is when the Public Betas will happen including watch os for the first time ever. So that that could mean like two weeks from now like this could be really soon Beta to could be the first public Beta. So, I I really want to make sure that I have time on it before that happened, so I can know whether they're going to be problems, because no matter what people think people should do. People will put. The first public Beta, they will put that on there carry phones, and they will run my APP and if it breaks, they will complain to me and make bad reviews as opposed to just saying. Oh, it's the Beta. It's my fault. Right so I. Need to know that pretty soon, but yeah, it's mostly because I'm not traveling right now and I'm not going to travel for the foreseeable future because everything, so it made sense for me like I. Dive in Head First I wanna get going on this, so might as well so I put the Beta. All my devices I don't necessarily need to function perfectly, which is everything except back so I have it on my on my sixteen inch. IPAD pro watch and phone. You mean like the Exco Betas. What you're talking about. I was getting using. You're saying you're installed in Iowa on your Max like you just made the ex code the UK and everything, right and I also I'm I'm trying to install big Sur on my sixty, she'd actually has completed yet and I think it failed. I have to try it again. Both syllables I'm. GonNa say big Sur Big Sur big. Sur, not not big Sur big Sur big, Sur. My Big Sur. And that he was one of the presentations had fast company all the same thing. Is that like the British say, top years at fast company top gear it's it's fast. Company equal equal emphasis, simple syllables, top gear the way we say it in America. So, what does the what is the? I think it's Big Sur I. Don't I'm not from there? But that's how I would say you actually the section Serra more than the big. They're big Sur. It's equal. Everything every time it's not let me let me give you the two as ready big Sur. That's accent on the first one big Sur accent on the second one and big Sur equal accent. On you. and. How did I say it? You said big Sur top gear. We. Not Saying, big Sur on this on this program, unless some of California tells us how we're supposed to say this is how it sounds. We're not going to say big server going to say big Sur AAs. Mispronouncing the name of Mac Os releases until someone who California tells us that we're supposed to say, it is part of the experience. You know it's actually called Bondi Beach. Moving on scribble gets pencil drag to select. No you've skipped over mode research. We got off on this tangent a search. I feel like there should be a business. Tell all book explain why it has taken so long to get an Emoji. This is a major institutional failing of apple as a company. It's not a complicated feature. Everybody needs it. How long have we all spend scrolling horizontally throughout this trying to find the stupid emoji with the Zipper on the mouth, and there's a million yellow circles, and you can't find it I'm OJ search. Why do this thing so long like a not? Everyone is like Casey. Who has memorized the entire Grid Tina. Emoji knows exactly where it is. We're all scrolling forever. What happened and it doesn't matter now. We've got it now. It's like all right fine, but what happened. This should be a case study. Someone from Harvard Business School look into this. You can totally ignore like the butterfly keyboard era like to skip all that. We want to know why there was no emoji search. We just what happened with the Mogi Search. It makes no sense. Such an easy hr now all can you side? Is it not an ipad marketing of your ipad nearby? What is the situation on my iphone iphone? Only according to the chat room, which is always right why I mean that's that'll be part of the case study presented. Seriously Harvard Business School. Let's get a report on that. As far as I can tell, there's a lot of stuff that's in fourteen. That is not an ipad Os and the explanation is like they didn't get around to doing it an op-ed. In terms of prioritizing, you can imagine why they would prioritize Iowa's before it. Historically, there have been many times where feature appears. Back when it was both on the iphone and the IPAD only on the phone and on the IPAD, those priorities make some sense to me again. Your mortgage search that have been on both devices years ago, but I think there are similar limitations and some other features that are available on Iowa's fourteen, not yet available on Ipad us, so. I'm sure they'll catch up eventually. I can verify it is not. It is not an IPAD. Okay? I was just GonNa say I'm hearing conflicting reports about that, but if you're saying it's not there, then it's not there I mean it wouldn't surprise me like popped in a future Beta to like. That's the kind of thing maybe didn't make Beta one. That's also true though you did the what is it? Controlled, what how do I say John Okada I'm GonNa get, in trouble. Command Control Space Zero not control command. Space was control delete. Frank. Anyway, did you try that? Three Finger Gesture Marco on the IPAD. You didn't hit the globe you did. I hit the little globe. Face the microphones blocking. Not all right, so I'm GonNa hit so commence base bringing waksman spaces regular control space to bring up the special character command control space, especially character thingy There's no search box here. Just little little hover over Emoji Blob. Okay thank you for trying also in the bucket realtime. Follow up Jason Snell. Who knows a little bit of California? Says that it is never big Sur. It's big Sur. Equal emphasis big Sur no. I would say the same way. We say top gear, but you don't say it that way. We all say top gear because we watched the British show, and that's ruined us. See I'm not sure that I can trust the Californians because they also all told us including Jason Back in the Mojave. Mojave Mojave, but then like half the year everybody was saying Mojave including some people from California, but they were doing it wrong. It is Mojave. He was right, but it seems like Californians can't even agree on their own pronunciations, because like other California's Mojave, other California's are saying well have not nate. They're not Californian natives there transplants. Oh my goodness moving on all right, so we've got scribble. which is what inkwell or whatever or what was the thing in Newton that transcriber from windows? Mobile From two thousand to. Noon did it I speaking of opera? Yes, it's yet more features Newton finding their way to the IPAD which is great like. It's taken a long enough, but it's definitely great. Handwriting recognition came now you can use your apple pennzoil to enter text into text fields without tapping the little thing on the keyboard comes up right. So that's and also the the drawing. Turning your shapes into perfect shapes. I remember being dead on the Newton in Nineteen Ninety mumble. Here, it is on. Modern devices and it looks pretty good. I'll have to try it in the notes that because the the Achilles heels of all of all these kind of. Do Handwriting and we'll recognize it. Attorneys, attacks and do drawings, and will recognize it and turn into shape is like. You want it to be flexible that right, so they did some demos look I can I can swipe select text which is a new feature with the Pencil and move it around because I know that it's text and stuff like that, but you know. They drew like A. Pentagon and they drew an a line. That turned into a line with Arrow. And what if you want to make that line with shorter? How easy is that to do? Can I grab it lizard a vector that I can shorten Edouard race it with an eraser tool and squirts to ends together like stuff like that tends to fall apart unless there's some considerable effort. Put into making it flexible so I hope that all works out. As I imagine in my opinion isn't just like a sort of right. Once edited never interface, but beyond that pencil users love this because there's nothing worse than having that. Software Kibo come up and pecking away with your pencil tip. Does right into a text field. That'll be awesome. Yeah! This is a great feature. I don't think I will personally use much of a hand writer, but it's just really cool for even people like me, and for the twice a year that we might want to use it, and then for people who do kind of handwrite natively in prefer that as as an MP mechanism. This is great for them, because you can just hand everywhere and it just kind of works eye to eye when you describing the handwriting improvements and stuff I was. was also hoping for a little bit more dynamic movement of what you wrote after you wrote in like the big handwriting views Maybe that's some are. They can go in the future, but it does seem. It seemed kind of like there may innovation here was in recognition, and in the ability to select and like move it as an image almost, but not like re flow the text or make make the shapes dynamic and stuff like that, so maybe maybe we'll get that down the road. I'm really excited to try this out. It looks like I agree with you. Mark I. Don't see myself using it often, but I do think it's a really cool feature. Especially for our Asai, it might be nice to the you're not sitting there. Typing you can be writing, which is super cool? I felt briefly bad for friend of the show Steve. Smith because his new APP was Pastelle was right. The road I think that's right. Pastelle has been sherlock although he seemed actually fairly excited about it, which was good, because if he's not saying that I'm not sad, because there's a new system wide color picker on ipad in maybe. I phone. I'm not sure but it certainly on ipad, and that's basically what Pastelle does. Try to be a system. Why is that much as Cana system-wide? Color Picker. Not just a new one. There's never existed before as far as I'm aware so. This is a color picker. which is convenient to have for Sharon color between APPS? What is APP, does he was basically sherlock? But you know that happens like if you're gonNA, make any about that extends system in any way, chances are good. That apple added sooner rather than later. He ran into sooner. It's very true. Taking just released passed out like a few weeks ago, so it's like ooh stuff, but what can you do? And, then it's in here in the next spot in the notes, so we'll talk about it now. I don't think it was actually brought up until the state of the union, but possibly my favorite feature from they sincere day and I'm saying that's why, but it in here because I think it's a big feature for developers. And! I say that with only a modicum of hyperbole local store kit testing. Praise be to the gods. My dreams have come true. I cannot believe it is happening. So, what does this mean? If you're not an IOS developer so when you're writing? IOS APPS in all likelihood you're going to be doing some sort of subscription or purchase or something like that and those Api's are. I find them to be challenging and a lot of ways testing them a particularly is very frustrating, and it's always been frustrating and was when I started really doing this professionally in the. Piece stuff professionally. It had gotten a lot better to test like I. Know Marco. You have probably war stories from now until the end of time to tell about this, but. One way or another what this allows you to do is and they only showed it very briefly, but from what I can put together. You can basically approve or deny or dare. Do you change the state of a store kit like an IP purchase when you're testing, so you can pretend like you're just buying this purchase or perhaps a subscription, and then you can act as though you're apple and say. Say, no. The card was declined or yes, it went through, or you know. Maybe the store is down entirely or something like that to help test all these scenarios, which is extremely hard to do today. I am genuinely incredibly excited for this. And if I'm incredibly excited for this vote been doing this for a couple of years I cannot fathom how excited you are Marco Oh my God yeah I mean. The. It's funny like when you implement APP store payments. If you've ever been anything else. especially very used as I mentioned a couple of every stripe. Stripe is awesome for lots of reasons in particular. Because when you're employees, their payments, they give you a whole. Bunch of different tests accounts test credit card numbers. You can use and stuff like that, so you can test all sorts of different conditions Devon testing environment. It's very very nice and easy to use. The APP store payment system. Is Not. And? That's the Nice thing about it is that it is? It has been extremely painful to develop against hoover time to test with. It's incredibly clunky and very hard to test certain conditions. A lot of testing stack was buggy. A lot of the store kit cited an Iowa. You'd have to like have a whole dedicated device just to be signed into a developer or just to be signed to a sandbox account. Because if you use your actual phone, it would screw it up so often in ways that like you'd be getting sandbox password pop ups for the rest of. Of Eternity, completed a full restore like there are so many problems over time with testing in APP purchase, and like our Princeton article a few days ago, about like during the store Brouhaha basically saying like the originally, when APPs were either free or paid upfront, it was super easy to collect money. Because from the APP, you didn't have to do anything you set a flag in tunes. Connect to say like all right my costs five bucks. and. It would handle it all for you, and as you move through the area of purchase and the whole era of that being the primary way that developers collect money as opposed to a perch. As. Opposed, to a purchase up front. We lost all that simplicity and implementing at purchase is way more complicated and very error prone as we moved into subscriptions in recent years. That's even more complicated and even more error prone, and so the importance of testing only gone up and so it really is nice to have something like this. 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Thank you so much to express VPN for sponsoring our show. We have to go through the s watch os and there's other things fairly quickly. If we to get to the big stuff because we're going of here, let's just let us blow by. Right, this is all that I'm not even kidding. This is blow by. Is it mentioned? I pad where we can. We get through the fast, but just sitting these quick gulp on. You can do it fast. You go ahead and we'll see how long the two of us can wait before we interrupt you go ahead. You'RE GONNA. Get say anything. If you wanted to go fast, you can't. Yeah here we go. IPAD OH as We just mentioned that there are some things that are in Iowa S-, fourteen that are not in the new ipad seemed to lag behind a little bit, but the the headlining features that were talked about are things that are unique type, s the basically tried to enhance the interface in ways that makes sense on a larger screen, so they touted the new set of sidebars. Lot of interfaces that used to be two bars are graduating full-fledged sidebars. Because why wouldn't they? IPADS are huge? There's plenty of import. It's more convenient. Same thing with the. Top bars. They're not calling into menu bar, but it has dropdown down menus on it kind of. Anyway very menu like toolbar fit features that previously I think we talked about it. Some shows like Oh i. didn't even know in the files up. You could change list of you because you had to swipe down from top to get some kind of thing to get it now. It's much more obvious as actual visual element on the screen that you can poke with your finger and guess what a drop them in you comes down from, and you can pick. These are all worthwhile enhancements. To to make the interface more, I was GONNA. Say more MAC like but more flexible more feature rich. They also improved their version of spotlight search. Thing has better search results in it. He gets all the other features that we talked about from with the Compaq notifications and stuff scribble. We already talked about which is their feature where you can write words into text boxes at things like that Yeah. There's probably more ripetta west of for the sake of time because we got to get to the big Mac. Stuff quickly will move on from there Wacho at seven. I feel like they'll probably be really good under the radar episode about this which I would listen to. Whatnot, but the short version is swift Ui. Complications complications used to be very limited in what you could do if you gives you a lot more flexibility, and you can have more than one complication of each type, which if you're a complication? Fiends like underscore is great news for him. Face sharing which we had rumored for a while back is allow if you make a really cool watch race with just the right set of complications, color, coded and matched and customized to look awesome on a particular face. You can share that with somebody, and if you share with them, and they don't have those APPs installed. It'll prompt them to install it. I said during the keynote the modular face which is. That digital time, and in these two big places for complications, the modular face with custom third party swift you. I'd driven complications is as close as we've gotten so far to third party. Watch faces because third party developers can control in a much more flexible way, a larger portion of that screen. The time is still just the time, and you don't have much control over that, but modular has big complications, and if you can really used full power with you I to fill that space. That'll be something. It's not you know Marco's custom watch face. It's like a big circle with. We're took Martha Raddatz and everything, but it's progress in that direction. Anything else I'm missing macho us. It's It's making the existing restrictions a little bit nicer, but it doesn't fundamentally change almost any of the existing restrictions with that one big exception to certain APPs of as you said that that an APP can now vend multiple complications so like before of the same type of the same size class. Yes, so yeah, because there's so many faces that have they just. Just they have like the that new round complication that that medium sized circle that like you know the infographics four of them, whatever in and so on, and before an APP could only say all right. My complication for this size. Is this an and that's all you would get, but and so it made it hard for APPs. Like underscores Watch Smith or APPS have really rich complication support. Support like carrot weather where you would maybe want to have like suppose you care whether you'd want to use like okay. Let me put the temperature in this circle and only put the UV index in this circle and you couldn't do that before. Because carrot weather could only say all right complication for medium circle type is this and now that is lifted so absent that WanNa make rich complication. Complication Rick Complicated experiences like. Watch myth at carrot, weather or things like that. They can now do a lot more than they could do before. So that's really great for them beyond and using swift you, I've complications is also very nice. It's probably is in the exact same feature as the widget support that we talked about earlier where it's kind of like pre rendered swift Ui, archive view and Minimal interaction how completions have always been, and you have to give it this weird time line of values to display, so you're not constantly running. Those most of those restrictions were already there. And are still there so a lot of that on on watch. Os is not gonNA. Be a big deal. Where Watch Os had a lot more substantial advancement is in customer facing features, so that includes things like the new workout types, the pretty major feature of sleep tracking. The kind of cool feature. My stream cut out during the first part of it so I missed some of it, but the handwashing detection guidance seem pretty cool. Especially given the world today that I thought that was a pretty cool feature. I do have some questions about the workout support so like. One of the workouts do a lot is a trainer and we and so apple has like this. You can say there's like you know fitness breaking down into like the the warm up and cool down stretching. Core exercises stuff like that. Well, what if you do that has multiple things. What did you do work out that begins with a warm-up stretch and use core exercises, and then you do some jogging or something, and then you cool down with some stretches. Do you have to do four workouts to make be counted properly? Yes, when I do some of the exercising that I do at home. A lot of times some of the stuff. They I'd do it against like an exercise video and a lot of times one of the the workouts where you do half like half weightlifting. In half, hit high intensity interval training. I think is what it's called. anyways, that's what I'll do. Do is I, will do one exercise and the watch. That's the weightlifting exercise, and then I'll do a stop that one and then I'll do another second exercise that is the hit exercise and it's very annoying. It's in the grand scheme of things. It's not that big a deal, but it every time. I have to handle it that way I'm just like. Why can't I just like? Why can't it just figured out when Nice it can figure out? Dancing apparently can figure out whether you're dancing with just your arms or your whole body, or whatever figure this out to man, please. Sleep tracking is thing was to sleep yard. Existed hasn't been rumored so long. That is another thing that I just remember as existing, but didn't yeah, it's it. It has been supported by third parties for a number of years now, but it was never supported by Apple. Yeah so they've got that. and I think the current hardware basically supports it. If you wear, you, said I gave. Watch asleep. When does it ever charge you? Charge it when you're like taking a shower in the morning. And surprisingly that is a viable pattern There is go to bed reminders. Parents may think this is going to help. The children go to bed I. Really doubt it will, but for adults who want to brain hack themselves. The phone can tried to wind things down for you and get you go to sleep at a reasonable time, and hopefully this sleep cracking. Let you know whether you're getting garbage, sleep or not. rewinding second for the the faith, sharing thing one thing. We missed that apple is going to curate a collection of faces I think this is you know it's not you know everybody watch basis, but it's important because. People get paralyzed by choice. You can have a lot of different watch faces as your starting point, and there's lots of different options for complications. You may not really want to sit there and mess with those things or know what complications are available, and so by having basically APP store for faces. All it is is a set of configurations, and you know the a bunch of humans will make these at apple that look good. Good, their talent to particular activities, like running, or you know, sleep, tracking, or whether or not I don't know what they're going to have. But anyway it's great because if you go there, and you see thing that you like with apples, integration because I just want that watch phase, and you'll get it on your thing and again. If you don't have the APPS it needs, it will prompt you to install them and so. Even though this feature seems a little bit silly, I think will actually benefit a lot of people's use of the watch because. People tend to the tyranny of the default. They just pick whatever default watch face they find appealing, and maybe customize one hundred things and I feel like that is probably a sub optimal experience people. When they having a, they could have more different watch faces. I'm not sure what you know that you can switch the watch. Races on the fly based on your activity. And be have sort of expertly built watch faces by someone who does that make an attractive informative watch face, and then you of course customize from there. It's not like they're fixed, but I think it's. Yeah. It's not I mean this is obviously not custom. Watch faces, which is what many of us still want and I certainly still want this is. A okay compromise for now to give people a little bit more variety, and to make the current faces seem to last a little longer ultimately though we still want more like this is not, this does not remove the need for watch faces. It's simply extends the time beyond which we might complaining again. Let's get the APP store privacy stuff for next week. If you guys don't mind because I not time pressing, we will talk about it next week. Brief section on air pods just because there are a few things that are relevant and stuff. We've discussed on the show before. One is their three D audio support I forget what how they branded. Basically we spatial audio. Yeah, we've talked about this in the context of. Audio and playstation. This is similar. You have two things in your ears and software magic makes it sound like the sound is coming from different directions. Apple's version of this is. Seems concentrating on and limited to where you'd imagine the of television and movie sound standards like atmosphere. And surround sound like it's not like the playstation thing where you want five thousand sound sources because there's no real context, it's not gaming focus is what I'm saying. Hey. I'm watching a movie or TV. Show I have my air pods in. Can I give myself some rough simulation of what it might be like to be in surround sound, and that's what apple is trying to do. They didn't mention anything about head head. Related transfer function songs. Presumably they're using something generic. Because the pot pros have accelerometers and gyroscopes and stuff in them. They can tell when you turn your head, so they can keep the audio sounding normal like if you're if you say, you're GONNA movie. Theater if we were normal time or in your house, surround sound and you've got your speakers all going. Going off because some movie has sound surrounding you if you turn your head, the sound doesn't move. Speakers are in the same place in the theater, right? That's what surround sound is supposed to be like. If you hear a noise to your left, and you turn to your left, and the noise comes again now you're facing it more, and it sounds different, but if you have headphones in. If they didn't know when you turned your head, it would kill the illusion. Turn your head, and now some the sound turned with your head, and that's not what's supposed to happen, so it's very clever if it works well. This'll be super cool I can't wait to try except I. Don't have our pods, Bro and beer I don't like them because they go inside my little ear holes so I. Really Hope Sunday Apple makes a non invasive. Let's say Air Pod with these gyroscope features because I think the sounds, neat and then finally automatic switching. This sounds like a dream as someone who uses air pods with multiple devices all the time, and is constantly going to control center to switch from one device to the other, even though this witches faster with the new version of the pods that I have and control centers, not that far away I would just like to magically know what I mean, but I don't know how it's GonNa, no automatic switching. They describe it as yeah, it'll just. It'll just switch device to. To us, but how will it? No, like in practice, my phone. My IPAD are both on my nightstand. How's it? GonNa know whichever device I'm using. I have medium hopes for this future I really wanted to work like by figuring out which device I'm using automatically connect into it, but connecting is not still not lightning fast, and if this thing starts getting it wrong I'm going to be angry, but the surprising amount of air pod news for a non hardware focus keynote. Couple of quick notes on that first of all I thought it was absolutely incredible that one of the things they said. Is that by some magic? They will detect when you like. Let's say you're sitting in a chair and you're holding your IPAD in front of you if you twist slightly so that the IPAD is to your left by some magic. If I understood them right, they will detect that. That in change the profile of the sound coming into your ear pod pros to reflect the fact that the screen is now a little bit left of center which I thought was phenomenal, even said. If you're on a bus, they'll figure out all the buses turning, but don't shift the sound because you're in the bus in your stationary using gps and other things I mean this is a you. Know I I. Think it was. Based on the idea, there was like it was not gps or anything saying they had to distinguish between your in a moving vehicle, which generates a certain type of accelerometer input. Or you are actually physically moving the device. It's like basically loss of diverse accelaration. It's it's the whole thing. But the phone has a GPS, and they're not using the phones ought to figure that out I, because I imagine they. Could. You know what I mean like? The Airbus don't exist in isolation. You're watching something on a phone or an IPAD. Which UPS Anyway I'm pretty sure it's a combination of the GYROSCOPE accelerometer. Let's do that without GPS. Maybe, but anyway it's. It's a use case that the playstation does not have to deal with because if you're using a playstation on a bus, the you are a rarity. INTENDO switch right so. Interesting problem, an interesting solution and I really hope they pull it off because it'll be super cool, did another quick note? I genuinely thought that the automatic switching was there since the original air pods I'm clearly wrong. I'm not trying to say that I'm right, but I really thought somehow got my brain that was automatic and I feel much better now knowing that it never used to. To be automatic because for crap, and so now I understand why I made up the fact John Style. Apparently I made up that feature and it never ever existed until just today. Well it actually for me. It has been slightly automatic sometimes between the phone and the watch. That's the only pairing that was automatic and the reason. Why might be a hint as to how they're doing this? that. Basically, when when you, you know, you gotta figure like, how are they going to distinguish between which appetizing suppose, if you are like holding your iphone and tapping out a message, while you're on your Mac, while you're sitting at your Mac, and you don't want what you're playing or Mac, all of a sudden pause which to your phone. There are ways they can do this with way. Audio sessions work so the. The way that whenever you as an APP start playing audio back for whatever reason somebody play whatever you start playing audio to do that. You I make a call to eight. The audio session to activate your session and that you know configures the hardware and everything, and then that's also the same place you tell the system whether like. Are you spoken? Word content should play in the background or not. It's CETERA. And then you start playing audio, so one thing they could do is merely use like whoever last started the most audio session. Whatever device star that that's the current active device. So, That is almost certainly how it's always worth between the phone and the watch, and this could just be the maxine that same logic to Max and phones and ipads and everything to all that. Well so whatever? My guess I haven't tried this yet. But whatever? Device that you play audio from most recently, that will be the device that switches to. All Right? Let's talk about big Sur. Big Sur is. You guys need practice. Did I. Did I tell you what he's? Big Sur. It's not big Sur. It's bigger. Sir Big. Aren't you guys are very bad at this. Okay? Well, just we can call it. We can call it macro. SBS here, we go. And we can all agree on that well no I don't think we can agree on that all right, so let's start with before we get into the the hardware side of us. Just do the software. Maga's Big Sur looks has a new look which happens every couple of years in Mac Os if you're new to the modern MAC brings. They changed the look to varying degrees usually on a multi year interval. This is the biggest change in the look of. Probably since they went unlikable and got rid of the pinstripes, I felt like that is the only other comparable, maybe the biggest changes that they've ever made to the look of. The modern MAC OS. And I tweeted when this was going on this kind of. the Max Iowa seven moment for people aren't remember Iowa seven was when the previously very sort of three D Shiny Photo Real Ui of IOS which to a very flat minimalist interface when Johnny optic over the software team. And it was very extreme and very different from what came before it, and very upsetting to some people, and then in the years that followed Iowa Sevens look was pulled back from those extremes and made more moderate of way. Apple has learned from that, but if you look at screen shots of big, sorry looks. It looks different. You're not going to confuse it for Catalina Mac. I think and it leans on. Not just more minimalism, but even even more transparency, even more compressing of elements. Like before I tried to characterize bizarre. We just go look at the screen shots. Margo seeing the most upset about us. I want to get in time to tell us why he hits the new look. I'm not sure whether I'm going to hate it yet, but it is like I have to live with it. That's that's another reason why I put on my laptop or I'm trying to put on my laptop completes. Because I do want to spend time with it before I say for sure that I hate it, but certainly I look. I'm really hesitant I'm skeptical about it because. Frankly I don't like Alan dies style as a UI designer Alan was also virus seven he he's been like the UI designer since Johnny I was put in charge of everything and Johnny left Allen I didn't he. He is still the designer there, and he has a habit of designing things like Johnny to look really good, but often at the expense of functionality, and so for you is, that can be things like contrast legibility discover ability. Having control controls things at that and a lot of times I think his style designer, or at least I don't know if he's personally doing all of this, but the era of design under him. It really fails in those ways like it is. It hides things like one of the things I hate. Is that in the? Catalina version of music APP is continues into the BS. In the Catalina version. They. It used to be that when you're playing a song. It would show you the time elapsed on one side of the now playing bar, and it would show you the time remaining on the other side of the now playing bar. And and granted the I listened to songs from bands were the duration of the song convery a lot? Maybe you could say and so I am often looking at the time in a song. And maybe they assume that everyone listens to pop music wherever you song is three minutes long as you don't need this anymore, but you know that's not true one and in the version or in the Kelly version of the of the music. APP those time durations. Fade out when you're not hovering over it so most of the time you look at it, and it's just this big empty square showing title, but no time and you hover over it, and the time appears, and the time is really tiny. These really little tiny times in the corner. In the middle of this giant expanse of a window. And so it's hiding functionality. And they and he even said this in the video today like that about the something about how the controls like fade away so that you can focus on your content you know, and that's like that's one of his critical design, principles and I hate this principle because it's so overused, it is junk drawer. Theory designer is just hide things, and that is always better, but no hiding things isn't always better, and in this case you're like in the case of of my music APP, nit picky or at the time retired last in time remaining labels. You'RE GONNA MAC. You have space. It's Oh. It was always there before for ever since the dawn of MP, three players, and not a problem with that, it's not like. What are you gaining by hiding time playing in a music APP on a now playing screen that has tons of space. You're not gaining anything you're just hiding it for the sake of minimalism for you know for its own sake, and assuming that's better. Better and now people who actually use that information or want that information. It's now harder to get now. You have to hover over it to see it, and then it just vanishes for no reason and I. I'm afraid of that aesthetic expanding to the degree that it has expanded in big Sur I. It really does seem like that is now so dominant so entrenched in their in their design philosophy and their actions that. Has Been doing this slowly over time things like scroll bars, disappearing and stuff like that like we've been in this path for a little while but I worry that we've now gone really far in that direction, where now so much is hidden behind hover states and just hidden for the sake of being hidden. And it's now going to be. I think even harder Italic. What is a control how what is active? Like when I saw this show, a few, a few screen shots and stuff of apps like mail, or you have like a big tool where across the top of a whole bunch of buttons, and when I saw those it just looked like a visual nest to me like not having any more like structure to the icon bars, having a lot of color removed from them so like. Here's a list of monochrome icons. It made it harder for me to see. And and it looked. It was hard to even tell what is a button. What is Click? Mixed icons are showing me status for his which are actually behaving as buttons. I worry that we've taken a really big step backwards here, but. All that said I. Do want to actually use it before I really judgment further, but right now I I am I. Don't feel good about it upon first glance. You can see where. The appeal is a certain kind of designer to this type of interface, so using fsn assembles the font, a bunch of vector drawings for a bunch of stuff having. configure accent color so each APP. If you choose to be in multicolour mode, can have its own highlights like. If you're on the Mac, now you can choose like what your accent color is very. You're operating system defaults like bluish. You can also say multicolor in big Sur and that will individual APPs have different accent color notes could be yellow and mail can be blue and so on if you want that. But like the whole idea, is you design the APP and you specify this is a sidebar. This is the icon. Texts, this is the toolbar here, the icons and that. System like this allows all those things to be flexible accent colors flexible because they're all template images their scale because they're back there because they all come from font, you are sort of just telling me the what and the US is determining the how gives you a designer flexibility to change the way things look into? Have the you I be more flexible than for example the hand-drawn. hand-drawn Pixel perfect old days of the old, where it was very inflexible, and almost like an old game you Irish like a bunch of roster graphics, the Hall Changes Look. You have these other APPS. There were like made in the days before the changed and they didn't fit in. This avoids that that said I agree with all the things that all the criticisms Mara had about this. And in fact, many of them are not new. Many of them are the same exact Christmas. We had for the first version of. Seven not legible controls didn't look like controls. Low contrast stuff like that, and in fact, some of these complaints that I would add are the same ones that I had personally in two thousand seven for things like Leopard Leopard introduce a translucent menu bar. I couldn't believe when Greg Federico. It's on our Max right now. If you're running Catalina, look at your menu bar it. It is somewhat translucent in Leopard when this was first introduced in the Betas. Super translucent like it was practically like she glasses sheet a frosted glass. They backed off of that. And when they shipped leopard, it was less translucent and there was like appeal tact override it to make it opaque again. I had this big rant about at around the leopard thing. Basically the gist of it was that when apple introduced translates translucent. Seeing Mac os ten it with the idea was to use it for transient elements like when a sheet came down, it was translucent to show. It was impermanent like you're going to address this dialogue and dismiss it that the transparency had a message. You know this is a permanent. You is solid. Solid transient, you is translucent. That was the sort of thing they were going for. Then they made the menu bar translucent, and the menu bar is or was at the time, arguably the most permanent fixture on the entire screen, it could not be hidden unless an apples in full screen mode, I know that's not true, nowadays economically hide it, but anyway the new. Menu Bar in big. Sur is even more translucent than the one they they chickened out of shipping and Leopard, and to the detriment I think of legibility and contrast. If you look at some of these screen shots. The contrast is bad. The legibility is bad. It is difficult to tell what the button. The advantage of this design language is. All accessibility features that exist I think people forget this if they don't realize that thing is, they're all those accessibility features are easier to implement because you can crank up the contrast and the size in in a flexible way that doesn't break the Ui because everything is sort of. Descriptive and simplified and vector and able to accommodate these things, but I think it's still a failing of the design, if most people would benefit from going to the accessibility options as not say, going to accessibly options are bad, but the default experience should try to hit the fat part of the Bell Curve of your customer base and I think this one. Does Not I think it. Is Not going to be obviously what buttons are. This text is going to be harder for people to read and practically speaking I don't care that much about what's behind my windows that I needed coming forward and impairing legibility. Apple has struggled with this on the Mac for many many years to strike the balance between like in Yosemite. It looks really cool when the sidebars are translucent. But of course you're not actually getting any additional information. It's entirely aesthetic choice, so if that impacts. At all at as non zero percent, it's not a great trade off same thing with the menu bar. I like that my desktop background is back there, but I don't need to see the top centimeter of through my menu if it impaired legibility like. This show the if you have a desktop background, I guess it decides whether your Menu Bar is going to have white text black text depending on how much is showing through like that's how much of your desktop background shows through converts the texts, they just to make it legible. It's not it's not great, so I have I, have serious concerns about this I could be all over again where they go extreme in the beginning, and then they tone it down I. Feel like they've just learned from this like. Like Margaret Hiding hiding things like the the proxy icon for documents by the way the. Maybe you don't know about this little icon on the top of document. When is that? You can drag to do stuff with. That's hidden by default. No was discovering that thing when it was visible at the time. By the fall you could say. was discovered. Obviously, it's not have Lucia. Why should it be in people's faces? But it's a useful feature. You should let people know that it's there more prominently instead of just completely hiding it. The controls away when you don't need them. How do people know if they are going to need them? If they don't even recognize them as controls, I'm also not a fan of philosophy I don't think it fits the MAC. You know that said aesthetically speaking rounded corners on all the windows, the general idea of using more translucent I mostly onboard with the aesthetics, believe it or not, even the sort of the colors in the sidebar and stuff like that I just feel like. The usability like the can I read what's on the screen can identify things. Is it clear to me what they're going to do? You, don't you? No longer have the benefit of literal decades of use of a MAC to understand. What does dialogue. Oh. Heck, what is the button? Look like? Because they've changed those things so much. In fact making them look more and more like Ios, that I think is going to be quite jarring. Some things that I think people haven't actually realized that they haven't gone through. Abbas web pages things like dialog boxes have changed like when you specified Auerbach's pragmatically for the most part you say I want a dialogue here. The buttons here's. Here's is the text of the buttons here. Some main text here. Some other texts like you don't lay out those windows like alerts like manually. You just specify that, so the OS has the flexibility to change them I. Don't know. Have you had looked at what alerts? Look like in big? Sur Oh, my God it's! It's hideous. I mean they they look like Iowa Arts. Yes, and that to me is one of the biggest examples of of like why I think this is kind a iffy and possibly wrong design philosophy. Take because. One of the one of the reasons why the new dialogues look so jarring, and I think are a little bit worse. Is that the you center text for everything because IOS use the central Fritz dialogues centered text. Might look good and ideal screen shots were the Texas very short as soon as you have multiple lines tax. It looks terrible harder to read our. You have a widow. Suck Dot com all over again like this. This is not this is not aesthetically pleasing. The translucent is off the charts, and now you're going to add the ability to have like read texts like Iowa has on on buttons. It is not an upgrade for these features like good thing because they can change it once they can change it back, but. They. The history cannot be you know like you may think. Most people have more experience with the IRS, but people aren't presented with dialog boxes constantly and US. That's just not the experience on the ballot dogs all the time someone with experience on the Mac has an expectation of what a dog looks like what it does, and where the controls are, and this is breaking all that for a layout that is also not aesthetically more pleasing. So why do this at all? It is a downgrade all around, but as far as the alerts are concerned well, and I think the why do it at all? Alan die answered that question but I think it was a bad answer in the way the way this redesign was explained for the most part one word that came up constantly was consistency, and you know with Iowa is the whether he said it or not that that's certainly the location but. Is designed being used because this is a great design for the MAC or is designed being used because it makes it look more like Ios I think. He very clearly answered. The latter is the case, but because it might not be a better designed for the Mac I think that's a crappy reason and I. See I could see argument. As you said secondly yeah, a lot of people use IOS. More. Mac Os that is true, but. The problems that like you know and the Mac can be made more usable by taking some Iowa `Isms, but not necessarily like the UI theme doesn't have to match necessarily, or it's really, isn't it? Has So closely you know people are not idiots. They can understand that dial boxes look different between between between platforms, and they can understand like how to read two different. Different dialog boxes like that's that's the the level of matching their for the sake of matching is not necessary. If it happens to work out that you have a good design that is a great designer on all platforms, then cool, use it, but in this case it seems like consistency has taken significantly higher priority than what's actually the best designed for the MAC. Or the best time for them I don't think it's dialog. Boxes are good in Iowa. See that's the thing that Burns me like. They even changed. You remember sheets. This is an innovation Mac os ten. Where when you have a document modal thing where it's GonNa come on the screen, and you can't interact anymore with that document window, but you can use other documents as an example would be a save dialog and the old Mac. When you initiated hit command to save, it will be APP modal, and you couldn't do anything else in that APP, or for that matter on the entire system until you dismiss that dialogue, MAC OS TEN A multiple better more modern multitasking brings introduced the idea that if you would save on document, a sheet will come out sort of of that documents window, title Bar, and that document will be like Oh. You can't do anything with document until you decide to either save or cancel right, but other document windows you could continue to interact with, and the sheet would just sit there attached to that one because it came out of the title, Bar was sort of. Physically attached to the window and you understood yet. This window is busy doing a thing. They've changed how sheets look to make them look more like IOS modal dialogs where it fades the background and it shows in the center of the window. I don't think that's an improvement. In terms of me, understanding that this is blocking the whole window because there are lots of things that can present like that where they fade the content and show the window, and it's not clear to the music associated with the document, but anyway sheets wearing broken. They fixed it by making it quote unquote consistent with I lost doesn't have document based APPS. Yes, it has window motor at modal dogs. That's how they present, but this this consistency is not. Worthwhile and part of the motivation to this. And part of the the Meta hidden secret theme of this. If you look at all the different screen shots is, it's pretty clear to me now. That touch base Max are coming, yes. Because every control in here, that has changed in some way is changed to make it not like. Oh, everything is touching troll, but closer to being touch controls, so then then the items and the drop down menu are pushed a little bit farther apart. The tuber ions are spread a little bit from each other these dialog boxes. Have a configuration where the buttons are way bigger than they used to be so big. In fact that you can imagine token them with your finger in doesn't mean that Mac os going to touch base us because it's not right, but the places where they changed it like that's the thing that the macro West like Oh, they changed the whole away to make. To make it work with finger. They don't. They just needed it to be for your finger to be useful in the US. You're never going to use MAC. Os just with your finger, because you'll never be able to find the tiny little controls and final cut pro like it's not GonNa Happen Right. You just need the fingers to be good for something so the title bars got a little bit thicker. Look how big the title bars are on the safari window. Right? Look big! The buttons are and why would they spread the menu? Items dropped them away from each other to the degree that they did. It's not like they suddenly. Suddenly introduce Max with taller screens menus aren't getting any shorter right. It's so that it is viable to drag a window with your finger to dismiss a dialogue with your finger to tap menu in the menu bar and then tap menu item with your finger right if that's not why they did this and touch Max, never come, I will not understand this change at all, but right now I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying a lot of the spacing changes, which in general, the spacing changes on their own I. Don't object to a lot of them seem like a clear indication that touch base Max are coming. And I think that is a welcome change is just. The athletics and the layout. Of a lot of the things they've changed, do not seem like the right move and somewhat related to that all the more aesthetic front. And in the consistency front they've you know they've decided that now. A good Mac os should have an icon. It looks like an Iowa with a little squirrel thing. They're allowed MAC APPS are allowed to have photo things apparently. On top of them, and they can break the border of the score goal which Iowa's APPs can't. That's their concession to magnus, but boy seeing that dock at the bottom with a big line of what for all the world look like icons with weird things. Floating government was very strange. In the past apple has had lots of different. Aesthetic policies. Let's say about what Mac icons are going to look like. and Mac developers being the cats that they are. Mostly reviews to be heard. Like there's always whenever I looked down at my doc over the teen years of using the Mac after the Mac Os ten transition, there's always been a quite a motley collection of icons. Apples icons tend to look consistent with each other, and that changes over the years. Then there's a bunch of ones look like they're from two generations. Ago. Ones look like they were revised in one generation ago. It's it's always going to be a motley collection. I kind of applaud for trying to. To to leading by example, showing consistent icons, they did that in the classic and class, macaroni icons was supposed to be a diamond with a hand in a tool and a lot of Mac APPs follow that there was some variation of basically diamond shape with some variations on top of it. There was a lot of consistency until in classic democracy. People's figured out I. Can the I'm GonNa make a big aliens face with a tongue sticking out, and that's what they did, right. I think that will continue to happen. I I'm not sure. We! We know where this is all going like people were putting up. These snarky slides like it was. Is Macaroni merging with IRS? You said it wasn't, but it looks like they are. This is the whole subject for another show that we don't have time to get into now, but there is a there is an eventual convergence of hardware and software platforms in the apple world. We are edging closer towards it. They'll always be specialization just as there is today between the IPHONE. And IPAD OS. They're specialized for the devices in the Mac Os will continue to be specialized, but this is the next step in that direction I think as Margot pointed out before, and has the famous page that I put in. One of my old interviews pointed out. You don't need thinks look literally exactly the same to understand what they are. The example from the the Bruce Zany book was extensions in Classic Macaroni, puzzle piece icons, but there was like five different puzzle pieces, and no one looked at them and said. Is that an extension? I can't tell because it's usually the puzzle piece one little Prong on one side and a whole and the Osa, but this one is is a whole different. It looks like a puzzle. Puzzle piece you can tell like it doesn't have to be literally the same puzzle piece for you to understand what it is did with buttons and dialogues in windows as long as they look button knee enough as long as it doesn't have to be literally exactly the same so to the degree that apple feels like it needs to do that for consistency and learn ability I think they are. They're over there over compensating in that direction and I think. There as I. Applaud the direction. I think there should be some kind of unification. It makes sense especially in lead the harbor. Changes are about to talk about, but I think they are taking it too far to. To literally right now, and I hope they back off a little. You know what's funny to me I. Intellectually agree with everything. You guys upset that a lot of these choices seem ridiculous. It's it's emphasizing the wrong things. I think it looks really good, though the only thing that I really am annoyed I am unreasonably annoyed by this and I don't know why, but when you pull down a menu. In Mac, West right now the menu itself is connected to the entry in the menu bar. So you know if you look at, say chrome, and you'll get the bookmarks menu. The word bookmarks is connected to the items that are below that word. And now there's a little gap between the menu item in the menu bar and the menu itself and Oh my gosh. Does this annoy me? I don't know why didn't noise me so much, but it does, and the menu has rounded corners on the top and also. Also slightly wider than the menu. These are all aesthetic choices that are mostly. Around corner things like I tweeted that I was happy that the screen image itself does not have rounded corners, but classic Mac. Os used to have rounded corners in the upper right and upper left corner. Like would just blackout those pixels to make it look a little bit round. People still keep thinking that the the future Max will actually have rounded screens like the new ipad do maybe that's going to happen, but it's nuclear there, but yeah, I. I see the your your aesthetic objection to the disconnected venues around corners. I think it's fine on. It's not that big of a deal. The the one part that I got a kick out of is of course. The the DOC in big Sur looks a lot like of course the IPAD OS dock. And also happens to look like switch grass. I mean there's reasons which. It's not it's not you know, but. Interestingly which glasses going to fit in perfectly? Big Sur, and since my corner radiuses are adjustable, you can actually make it fit exactly if you want. Everyone buys which glass it is perfectly made for big Sur, unfortunately my icon. Does fit in because it is an style squirrel, right with little symbols on it, but it's a little bit more for Real, and it's not exactly head on, so maybe someday I'll have to change the icon Finn, but maybe I. Won't you know what I mean? I'll just be one of those molly icons. It looks like it was made in previous eras because. I intentionally may I of look slightly different than the current style because I like the style my on is. It looks really cool and. You know I might just keep throwing. Anyway, really show the dock icon, and which anyway should disable it. Well the although I do think that this looks good from a behavioral standpoint, I think a lot of not all the complaints that the two of you had are completely reasonable, and and will bear fruit in the sense that we will think that these are problems, but just looking at it with a couple of quibbles here and there I think it looks good and I can't tell you why, but I do find it. Just signed kind of unconsciously subconsciously appealing, subconsciously appealing. That everything does look similar I. Agree with what you said that the MAC doesn't look like the ipad in the puzzle pieces all look like puzzle pieces all understand what's going on, but. I kind of feel like it is nice to have what appears at a glance anyway to be approximately same design language across all these disparate devices, so it all just feels like a different version of the same tool like one of these screwdrivers, Phillips one is the straight, but they're still just screwdrivers in. I do like that having not used big Sur yet having. Having not used I was fourteen yet I, do like it and and I think it looks very modern it as with all new you is, it's made the Mac sitting in front of the the the software portion of the Madam City in front of look, old, and busted almost immediately and I don't think that's a bad thing. I think that's a good thing. I marco. You haven't talked for a so I'd like to give you a chance to make any other final thoughts, but I. we should probably plow forward on the new look and start talking about some of the other features of big Sur after aftermarket. You have a chance I. The only I mean. I'm to have lot of gripes about the about the team. and. I'm glad you brought up sheets being on and being replaced these weird like just blob overlays because I think that's a huge regression, but ultimately what I find concerning here is that the MAC has has not had a great few years of Software Quality We've had a lot of really like paper. Cut kind of issues with Mac Os, and that's why many of us including US right here last week for saying boy, we hope the Mac Os has has a quiet year of stability improvements and. Like, a bug fix year, not any kind of major new features. And instead apple did a system wide redesign that will require like all be significantly redesigned and so what this does is, they have basically placed a huge burden of like required work to keep up with the system on all Mac developers, including themselves for anything like any kind of Mac os related software now instead of working on quality, they and everyone else has to I, work on this new theme, and then maybe if the time left then you, then you can work in quality. And that's just the the last thing that Mac developers and apple as as the biggest MAC developer. That's the last thing they needed right now. The biggest in the union right now is like. Please give us a year off so we can work on quality. And instead they're doing the system. I've redesign and if you look at what happened when? Had Its. You know had the Iowa seven change. So many APPS had to be redesigned from scratch to look at all correct and reasonable and good and competitive on that platform that we kind of had like a like two or three years of lost productivity in quality and features in Iowa south, because so much effort had to be expanded to just keep up with the new with the new direction system was taking and redesigned the to fit the new theme. And now we're going to have that same thing happened on the Mac where that really was not a thing that we could afford to do now. Maybe this wall workout in the end. Maybe the where we're going with the, don't say arm, Max and everything else. And unification with IOS APPs running on the Mac that could be a great endgame, but this just through a massive cost and a ton of instability into an ecosystem that doesn't seem like it was ready to bear that cost. I get where you're coming from, but I think you know. What I really wanted was not no big changes to the plumbing. Like from the perspective. You're right. They're going to burn a lot of time on this. And that's a shame, but if You're doing like a redesigning this and surface level. I what I care about is. Does the you know the NS responded not crash does the Bluetooth Stack work correctly? Does the USB peripherals not unknown? My drives like those are the things I care about the plumbing of the Os, and so of this like it all the time they spent on this is mostly on sort of like now. Obviously all the arms stuff and catalyst stuff sort of like surface level. You I stuff, but they the teams that work on like. The you know like I said the the USB stack they spent the entire released, not adding any new features and just making it work. That's what I hope. My optimistic scenario is like this was a higher level in the stack. Big Change, and what I what I was what I meant when we were saying by hope, this release releases just like you know no new features type of thing. Is that under the covers? You don't say yeah. We rewrote the entire window server again and we have a new DNS responded to this time, and the Bluetooth Stack is all new. Because that's the stuff that's burning me up. It's not like changing the US. US stuff maybe good, maybe bad, but it's not gonNA. Take Down your system. I just needed to work fundamentally at a were little so i. still have hope that that's the case. Maybe that's also screwed up to who knows they didn't talk about it and release this year. Only been saying anything about time machine Apia announcements, but the week is young so. I'm I come from, but I'm still holding out hope, and and also in terms of burning up time with a look that's part of if you've been following apple, API's and using source. Listen stuff like that like. Yes there new API's. You have to adopt and stuff, but in general I hope Mac apps will look reasonable ish with minimal changes. That's the beauty of their recent changes have been that if you follow them, you don't have to redesign your entire up every time. The Big Iowa seven transition is because people had pixel perfect hand-drawn roster. You is and Iowa seven through all the garbage post. Iowa I think as. As seven evolved and changed. People haven't had to throw out everything. I think they've learned that lesson. So like I, said the bones of this thing using vectors for stuff, being able to change things like having the accessibility features, be able to work well easily increase contrast easily increase size, have everything's scaled to fit and everything. The bones are good. The individualistic choices I think a lot of them are bad so. I have some hope that we can recover this, and and honestly I'm I'm kind of a little with Casey in like as quote. Unquote bad as as might be the reasons, I outlined. I am excited about there. Being like I'm always excited about bringing look like it's. It's cool to see the MAC. Change the way it looks just. We also need it to work well, so we'll get. All right in the interest of having the show end before next week I'd like to speed around the next few items. messages maps both catalyst We talked earlier about messages, supposedly getting either near feature, parity or complete feature parody with irs since it is catalysts. Now that's excellent. I'm very very excited about that maps. Nothing about that revved my engine in particular, but hey you know the better maps gets the better I or the happier. I am with it a safari. We talked with privacy report in the Petra. Compromise detections translation will happen in Safari Apparently safari extensions be been revamped, and you can even import them from chrome or firefox extensions. Question market. No I heard them. Say something about I i. don't remember the exact verbiage. Basically you can take a chrome or firefox extension and use it in safari is what I thought. This is the they described as the web extensions API and and to quote, bring over extensions people for other browsers. I made to look up. What the heck. Is made it sound like there's some kind of standard API that I. Don't know about, but it wouldn't surprise me I. Don't know stuff, yeah, and in typical fashion you can limited to individual websites and limited by time. Controls on, you know that's the first time you use it. It's all the the security roles expect Chroma, similar ones, but apple's bring. It's twist to it, so that's all good news. And the new version of Safari has. favoured cons, and all the tabs which John Gruber will love and apparently everyone will love is the whole reason you got into stories because people were saying the number one reason for using chromos that have safari list because you couldn't have little icons in the tabs, it was just text safari, presumably for again aesthetic reasons you know omitting the icons that we can have all those weird colored icons. They ruined the vibe of this cool grave at one time brush, metal, thing and people like the eye contact information. The lets me know what cited is. Chrome had icons and safari didn't as far as finally come around on that. So that's all goodness, and of course, if already super fast yeah, and to be clear like safari did have a icons on the task before, but it was, it was a fairly recently, but it was off by default. Now it's on by default. Indeed, all right so big news. What did tim say something about? We're going deep into the MAC. We are getting. Apple Silicone Silicone. Say Arbor Max every time I get that wrong. I was trying not to say our Max because they never said our Max We'd get. You're going to say it because that's what they are fair enough. We are getting apple silicon there. We go We're getting apple silicon. We're getting our Max. And apparently were getting, or at least as far as we can tell at first we're getting what is basically. The same processor is in ipad pros. We're getting an eight twelve. Twelve Z? That's just the pentium four. Yes, that's that's just for the Devil Kit. You know we'll. We'll see what actually ships so what they announced is they're making a family of SOC's a family of system on chips for Max and that they didn't come right out and say this, but eventually through the humiliation of everything you said they are arm CPU's surprise just like they are on their Iowa's devices, because they run the same binary in their the eight twelvsies the. One testing whatever. And so the family of Macintosh? Then letting you know like not just making one of these chips. There's going to be a family of them. Presumably from small to large from their week lower powered thing to the higher power when they did not commit to say we're. GonNa have chips that scale from our tiniest notebook oil tarmac pro. They did not say that or they did say was that this would be. A two year long transition their first arm base MAC would ship before the end of this year if everything goes well, and if they you know as as we said in the previous shows trying to consult with Intel MACs, they will continue to make and sell and announce new Intel based MACs. Because what do you think the? For two years. That's what they're gonNA do so. They announced all of that hopefully. Everyone who wasn't to the show was already prepared for that. Because that's how these transitions go. No big surprises also listen to the show. You would have heard our prediction beyond the money about the developer transition kit down to it. Being called De que, it's a Mac mini, and inside it is the equivalent of a pentium four meaning. It's a chip that probably will never ship in an arm based MAC. But it's what they've got handy right now. So shoved an eight twelve Z. Was Sixteen gigs of Ram and a five twelve gigabyte SSD and quote a complement of Mac I. O Ports. That means they later clarified what that means by the way. It's. It's to USB TO USPA and HDMI and Ethernet. I think that's it. And so notably absent is thunderbolt. which again we talked about kind of why that might be, but that's. That's a topic for another day, but basically this this does not have that there's only has USB USCC USPA and. Entering. And, because it's an twelve Z, you would imagine that it has similar capabilities to the pet, which is the twelve in it, so the IPAD does not to our knowledge of thunderball capability, neither does this deal of a transition kit? Although interestingly, I noticed that they said you know Craig during the presentation that this computer that we've been running on. Or did actually say was the DT. Case. They said it was armed. Lots of hand waving about what are these demos running on? It was clear that they're running on apple silicon that that was usually what they said. It was running on a six. X Xt r which. Is Not drivable via USB. So I'm wondering what that was about, but yeah I think you're right. I think there was a technicality that this was a MAC apple silicon, but it was not the de que. They were very careful. I was watching because before they even announced the ticket I'm looking I was looking for a Mac mini on the desks. Those Chords Watch. Rollo's cords go from those cinemas. Exit the. Prototype. They go somewhere, but you never see them attached to a computer. Yup, so lots of clever staging in this in these in the supposed lab, which is really obviously like a set or care every arranged corner of the lab or even. Yet so. If you want one of these developer transition kits, you give apple five hundred dollars. They give you one of these things plus some exclusive access to private forums and stuff like that, and then you have to give it back to apple. Just like the weird pentium four cheese grinders. You get weird. You got a weird Mac mini case with IPAD guts inside it with some weird. I O ports, and then you give it back to apple. This is only if you're one of the lucky few. There is a sign up process. There are a limited number of these things going out. If you would like develop transition kit. You put your name in the hat. You write a little paragraph. Attacks Telling Apple applewhite. You think you want this and what your APP is that you're going to port to arm and then you wait to hear from them. and. They're shipping this week's I. Guess We'll find out. We won the lottery I say we because I. put my hat in the ring. I have to Mac APPs and the reason I specified was that I want to talk about the process of according to My podcast Marco? You also put your hat in the ring I did because I have quitter and quitter really has to make sure runs on on our. No, I'm just kidding I did I put my name in the hat for forecast and also mentioned overcast forecast like yes, i. i WanNa make sure forecast which uses. It uses the layman. Be Three in cody library under the hood, and that's very time critical performance critical, and it's this low level thing. That's that third party libraries I WANNA. Make sure that works and I also want to make sure that overcast works correctly when it's run via the. Download from the APP store. Thing that we'll talk about I guess sometime. Because that's also like a pretty important thing and that I wanna make sure all the little of lawyer Code works well and his performance and everything else so yeah, so both things, but it seemed to most care about Mac APP specifically so I, mainly my little blurb forecast. Yeah I really hope they. They have a lot of these like it'll be a shame if they have really really limited supply and most people don't get them. I hope they have enough to go around. I mean I understand the limitations but. Anyway shipping this week, so that's good and I hope they like run out of them. Maybe they can make more this huge demand. They can make more than out of the future, so I'm more than willing to pay five hundred bucks to get weird. Mac Mini thing even I have to give it back. I don't know if they're going to have any credit. If you haven't looked into the if you give it back to you get some kind of credit towards something. You just lose at five hundred dollars forever where they give you a special deal like they did on the I am. Actually you could buy after you return the pending for deb kits. But that's all straight up the middle more stuff straight up the middle, universal binary binary that have Intel Code and Armada, GMS is a this is part of apples to branding. It's called universal to. Call to just call it universal like the old universal bombings were long ago. No one will get it confused. It'll be fine. They're still universal. Call them something more unique. It's it's. It's still universal. I'm sure. Maybe it's a slightly different take. We'll see when we start taking apart the OS and seeing what what exactly the executable format is. A lot of this is less relevant than it was before because apple introduced APP thinning in recent years. Where when you download from one of their APP stores, they don't give you the whole universal binary. They just give you the one that has the execute code for whatever machine you're on, so it saves inside, and you don't have to download an APP. It's twice a big, which is nice. All I really wouldn't be twice as big I don't think anyway. But that's that's what we expect. These type of transitions in there it is and the final one I will collect my points being right about being able to run x eighty six code on your arm Mac. Apple's GonNa let you do it and they did a really amazing job. You know because they really good at this. They reuse the name Rosetta a call. It is editor for some reason. And they do all the things right. So can you run X Eighty six APPS? UNMODIFIED on your arm. Yes, you can. Plug INS. Yes, you can. What about aspects, pensions and drivers use driver kit? You can even run. Those older drivers are not supported, but they went all the way out to making sure that you can run all the types of eighty six things that reasonable to run. They do what they call translation automation, but translation and they do it at either at install time are on first launch for packages that are bundled in dot APP thing. Basically they will write out to disk the arm equivalent of the eighty six code, so it doesn't have to do that on the fly. And you know again if they control the APPS. Installed time, but if they don't do I launch, there's also a dynamic translation available for things that are served just in time compiled like you know the just in time compiler for Java Script Code and a Web Browser, or something like that they have all the things like apple has really good at this. They've done it many times in the past. And whatever team did it last time for the transition? Presumably all that expertise institutional knowledge is still at apple and I have high hopes that this will be just as amazing. There was lots of concern that Oh, well, you know. Arms Aren't going to be that much faster than Intel Committee even handle this. We'll be feasible to Ron exodus software, the part of the reason that I predicted last show that they would have. This feature is because. It, running slightly slowly is way better than not rang at all. Lots of APPS are not performance sensitive. You just need them to run. Apple wasn't satisfied with that and the demo. Oh don't worry. You won't lose your software. Your crap will run. They're like look. We're going to run an X. Eighty six game on modified which granted, it wasn't the most demanding game, and they ran into ten eighty, but it was a fairly recent game shadow the Tomb Raider which twenty eighteen. Running low Rez fine. But does that was their demo of like not? Can you run software? Not only will like your favorite like you'll be able to run scrivener before they do the report, and it will be finding you won't even notice. It'll be completely transparent to you right, but you can run. This game, which is not saying you could rent any game games are going to. It's going to be worse right, but any literally any real time three-game being viable is a fairly amazing demonstration of either the power of whatever Mac running an add on or the cleverness of the translation, but most likely, both so I'm. Pretty excited about that and the other big theme. Software wise with integration with this arm stuff is. Talked lascaux about this being opportunity to ditch all stuff to say well transitioning to army, you might even call them. Max and you can deprecate all your old API's. You can ditch all the things. Seems like all of their ditching has already happened, and instead they're saying. We're not taking away a P is we're not breaking your crap on necessarily open. G. L. is still there like kernel extensions are still exported. In Big Sur, not under Rosetta, but like there, but there is a boarding like basically anything that runs and Catalina in theory should continue to run in big Sur now that hold after big Sur I don't know, but for now they're trying to ease the transition by saying. We're not gonNA. Break your crap completely unnecessarily. We already did all that were deprecated thirty two bit. We already got all this stuff open. Jealous Still deprecated, and we'll go away someday, but don't blame it on arm like arms not taken away your stuff. Again. The only exception of things kernel extensions where they really can't do anything about that, but but USB drivers with driver Kit. APP extensions your APPS. All that stuff will work. This is before we even get to like. How hard is it the port your thing? They are bending over backwards to make sure that you don't buy your first arm Mac and say oh. What the Hell GonNa run on it, and so I was very excited to see all that. Yeah, that was. Extremely happy to give you. Your points I was totally wrong. I don't like I said. Last show that I thought there wasn't gonNA be any. And anything that was currently deprecated like open jail would just be gone under the under our Max and I wrong on both of those fronts by a lot, and that's that's a very good thing. I'm very very glad that they they've chosen here. You know there's a number of things like we were worried about. Like might introduce more strict security. Maybe everything has to be APP store only, or it'll be a hard harder process to like. Compile your own software or anything. NOPE, no changes like it seems like there's there's actually no additional security restrictions in the OS. For anything any moral person would ever do. You know for for the arm Max. Compared to other Max like it's here's how big serve runs big. Sur seems to be not any more strict than Catalina in most ways, and it runs the same way whether you're on Intel or apple silicon whenever they're going to call that and so that's fantastic news. It is worth knowing though that the. Residual layer the they were very clear in labeling it transitional in a number of points in both the keynote, and the state of the Union so I would expect just like the original from power PC to Intel out expect this is going to last maybe three or four years, and then be removed from the. So I, don't get to attack anything that needs it, but it is nice for the transition and then the other kind of big elephant in the room. Is that windows compatibility was never mentioned including in the virtualization layer because virtualization layer can only run arm host. A cannot create exit six hosts, virtualization and Rosetta are separate things, and they are. They are not to be combined. And the the ability of course to boot in boot camp is probably totally gone as well because I don't think anything is. is able to use Rosetta quite that level like to the you know running an entire os level so Rosetta is for APPs not. So if your workflow depends on virtualization, virtual housing or booting into windows, you're going to have a problem. and I don't know. I don't know what is the status of? Is there like an arm port of windows anymore or doesn't matter now they're they're a totally has been as far like. Here's the thing they didn't mention anything. They didn't mention anything about windows right, but they did like the stand in for windows was Lennox, so they they showed an arm version of Lennox running virtualization the virtualization rather as As like the same way you do virtualization X86 where you can take your x eighty six CPU. That's in your Mac, and you can run any other exit. He's operating system sharing the same thing with arm. Take another arm operating system like they have their hyper visor, and all this stuff that lets you take another system that runs on arm and run it on the same thing that's running, Mac Os and they share the resources and work it out. You know it's like that. That's virtualization that works on arm. But, that doesn't help you at all X86 right, so they showed that happening. In Lennox they showed parallels, running links and people might be confused. They well look at that. They're running living. It does support x eighty six. Arm Links and on every platform. Of course Oh, courses arm part of it, which by the way I think probably use that for server development that looks awesome compared to trying to make sure that like PHP everything installed properly with homebrew on Mac os changes and breaks. Every os released like that's that's been such a pain in my ass. Most of the time that I I'm actually very much looking forward to probably hopefully that in the future you could be doing that tonight. They showed docker same same deal. You today was a VM ware whatever? But windows does exist for arm, and there is no technical reason why bootcamp can exist to let your arm based Mac boot into windows for arm, which you may be said a map is like Oh, who cares about winning? Games run. They're all exit. He's gotTa Yada but. I. Know it was preventing windows from being demo. Why bootcamp wasn't there, I continue to think that eventually bootcamp will rise again as a way for you to boot windows for arm on your Mac. This is an interesting time. We've talked about this before. There's are that bit. All right. Again. I think you will be able to boot arm windows on these Max. Eventually, like part of this is predicated on the idea of. Everyone more or less moving away from x eighty six partly, because then tells been having problems with their process, but also partly because this is just the way things have been going and these you know. It's a slow change, but I feel like we're going in that direction, we may halt, and the progression towards arm everywhere may just stopped in track and not get any farther, but over the past several years. There has been a stay drumbeat in that direction apple going full arm, although it makes sense for tons of other reasons is another. Going to send another nail in that coffin, Intel Intel still making stuff, but. You know it could happen now. There are a lot of concerns about. What all myself we're going to run. Forget about backups or whatever, but what if I don't WanNA virtually arm Lennox have a bunch of open source software for six. What if I use some of that? Open source software for books in my APPS and I need to like like lame and your library. Like how do I get to build and everything apple? itself is helping out on a bunch of open source projects by helping those projects figure out how to get their thing to build forearm on Mac, macos. Tricky bit about this like. When the macklin Intel it's like Oh, well, they'll have access to all the software because everyone runs Lennox on Intel, and so I'll just be able to take any lennox open source project and build it for the MAC like no. Different, compiler different tool chain different operating system. People had to do work to get insert name of your favorite open source thing to build on Intel MACs. They will have to do that same work. Get it to build an arm MACs. Just because Lennox was running on, Intel, for years before the MAC transition didn't really make much easier except for if there was like you know. Cebu specific code, but honestly most open source. Stuff doesn't have CBS specific and even stuff that does them peg. That may have SC instructions. There are tools that will translate from. Se Your Max wherever the hell the things are called this other acronym. I forget an avionics. Yeah Avionics. Then we'll translate from that to neon or whatever the arm like seventy engine thing is right. Someone just needs to do the work to all that stuff up and so changing the source code changing the make files changing compiler flags all that good stuff. Apple is helping with that by having their engineers. Spend time on what they probably know from their experience with the APP store are the most frequently integrated open source projects they. Live with a bunch of that's like a blender boost engine X. The ffm-peg Electron seem may open seavy node you know. Read us like you can slide, and then I think at one point. They highlighted certain ones or the ones that actually helped with so there's list to do this, and then there's some things that actually started helping with. All, this makes me hopeful that yeah, they'll be a bumpy transition, but the time there's two years is out. I will be able to build all the same stuff that have built on Amac right now. I have built all MAC compiled. Pearl from source install that I compiled. My sequel from source installed compile post Gresham. Source installed like this is what I do compile whatever the fact that I can do that is because of during the transition. Someone made sure all this stuff built on Intel based MACs I I. Hope Someone. Maybe apple does all the same stuff for the arm transition. If not, it's going to be sad because I know one Lennox virtualization to get all my stuff. Speaking of that as far as I can tell, all the stuff is still the same. Still, MAC OS. Terminal. It's got shelves. It's like it's all the same. Don't there's no? There's no big news in that area. Thank God. Yeah and I was heartened by this presentation. Of, all the presenters and sort of the Meta message, being that the is still the place where you do crap like run docker and install weird ass, crap, and like that's what the Max job is, and by having demos that showed people doing that. It made it clear that despite what Allen Die may think the makistill definitely very different from an IPAD and iphone. Impressive to me. It seems like such an apple move as we discussed quite a bit last episode, it seems like such an apple move to use this time to cut the fat, and to just say well all that stuff that we've been trying to get rid of its dead. It's very dead. It's not just a little dead. It's real dead, and it seems that they did a very Microsoft thing, which is to say almost everywhere. They didn't get rid of anything. They tried their darndest to hold onto stuff. Even stuff like open. What is it open? Right that that they've been censio that they've been saying for years is going away and they still held onto it, and it is going away just not this year. I was extremely pleased to see the slide about how they're going to contribute to ffm-peg among other things I joke a lot about how much I. Can I use it way more than any normal human should, but that to me is a very good indicator that they give a crap and they really don't want this stuff to break and. The only thing that that chap's my behind to some degree about all this other than the fact that I just bought this new laptop, but the only thing that really that really bums me out. The windows in windows on Intel virtualization story seems to be nonexistent and one would assume that there would be that the VM. Ware or parallels will stop up and do some sort of true to form emulation, or rather than like hyper visor powered virtualization. Would presumably be very slow, but workable and I am I am basing all this on several year old information, but when I last was doing not Iowa's devolvement for job when I was doing windows development for job. I really prefer using a Mac because Mac os at the time and I and I would assume that's still true today, but I don't know. Mac Os was a much better place to get my job done, even despite the fact that I was doing most of my actual work in visual studio in a vm. Even despite that it was just everything around, it was so much better on the Mac and so what I did was I ran vm where fusion all day every working day, and that's where I did my work, and it was Intel on Intel. It was reasonably speedy I. mean it wasn't perfect, but it was speedy. Enough and I know that. Last I had heard a lot of people in the workplace had to do this sort of thing, because a lot of line of business apps or bespoke APPS for. For particular companies, and this is in my experience, this much worse, the bigger the company as a lot of these APPs were windows only, and they weren't web APPs necessarily they were honest to goodness native apps where you had to run them on a windows computer, and again I am hopefully very out of touch, and hopefully all of these stupid apps have in all these different humongous companies have moved to be web apps now, and they don't require like activex in windows, explorer, Internet, explorer, or anything like that. But. As of the last time I was in this world. Running VM was critical. It was absolutely critical and not being able to run a windows vm. That can run all of the software that Intel windows can run. That's a bit of a showstopper, and meanwhile I keep hearing all this this rumblings from people who do use windows that it's gotten to be really good as a developer platform and I can't speak to it one way or another because I haven't used one dozen years and honestly I don't have any particular interest in it, but I understood it to be really really a lot better now quite a bit better now, and although I have no. No intention of going back to work and getting a windows based programming job. It's still concerns me that th that not supporting Intel. Windows could cut out a whole bunch of otherwise very enthusiastic, Mac users and it's all I'm talking about my, but but it. It worries me about now. You're right. You're right to be worried because like as someone who ran actual emulation of x eighty six windows on power, it is essentially to slow to be. You. Don't WanNa do like you can do it to get by. You just need to run up to have to do with thing, but you do not want to live in that day. It's not. Really that viable, so we if basically if windows does not also make a transition to arm sometime in the next decade, or so, the MAC will have lost. An important capability would no longer be one machine that you can get to run. Mac stuff and windows stuff. We'll have gained some other things that we'll get to in a second, but before we go to the final section of this. Very surprising announcement related to our Max I just want to do a couple of moments of speculation about so gathering the tea leaves of what they said today. What can we surmise about our Max Now? People are upset about them. Not saying anything about our Max other than the first one was ship before the end of the year and OBI to transition right. The developer. The developer transition kit ignore that no, no are Mac will ever be like that. That's just the developer transition kit all they said they're making a family of sees, and they love that it has good performance and power trade-offs and Yadda. Yeah like all this stuff that we did not get into any specifics. Including did not get any thing where they brag about how fast they're going to be. There's a good reason for that. What would they be bragging about? Their complete unannounced products? Just trust us that we have in our MAC, and it's really good, but we can't tell you anything about it. I you know you shouldn't have expected them to come in to say anything more than say which was, it'll be a new level of performance, all sorts of vague things, but trust us here. podcast when we tell you. That especially in the laptop. Apple's current arm chips are already better in many regards than Intel ships now in does not standing still either, but apple will be making. On a smaller process is. And they'll be making chips. That will probably beat anything until has on. You know in the laptop glass of a chance. What is apple going to do for the big machines? They said a two year transition. They didn't say to your transition except for the Mac pro, which will never transition. They didn't say that so presumably two years from now. Apple's going to have some answer for the MAC pro so I would say. Don't be said that they didn't give you any benchmarks or anything because they didn't announce any hardware and the not gonNa do that until it's ready and the second thing is. Like apple is essentially committing to do the thing. For All MACs and that leads me to the next point, which is one of the slides they put up a particular thing that caught my eye that said unified memory architecture, which is basically a description of how every. Apple a whatever system on a chip has worked You know as a system on a chip. There's some Ram and that Ram is used for, both there's no dedicated V. Ram like there's not like an on my macro right now have a couple of video cards in there. In this video cards have their own dedicated video memory. That's on the cards themselves. It's different kind of memory. It's addressed over different bus. It's right there on the card. And then my Mac has system memory, which is separate from that. Apple's IOS devices have always had a unified memory architecture one pool of Ram that started out. Really Super Small has gotten bigger over time, and that's used for everything. It's used for video ram. It's use for the applications. It's all it's a unified memory architecture and When. We think about what I just said. They're going to do a transition of all of their Max and the emphasize many many times. We know what are used for were making this family of system on chips to be good at all the things that MACs are used for. They bragged about the fact that final cut pro already works. They showed it running for the three streams of four K. video, which is not impressive in terms of MAG- broken do in terms of simultaneous streams video at hype it. That's right so. Apple is signing up for eventually making. Atack that can do what this pro can do. But runs an arm CPU. And I've been sitting here trying to square that circle with a unified memory architecture. Because if you know how you outfit this Mac pro, you can put like to dual GPU cards in there each of which has emptying gigabytes of its own dedicated V. Ram right. And Apple has to ship two years from now a computer that can match that in terms of GP you horsepower with a quote unquote unified memory. Architecture! I'm scratching my head and thinking. How is that GonNa work now to to to swayed some fears in everything except for the super high end use case. Apples probably pretty okay. When they show that shadow of Tomb Raider Demo on you know on their whatever they were running it on, but honestly I think their current line twelve probably could have done that right a unified architecture where it's a system on a chip single pool of memory, and like an integrated GPU. That's how the the upcoming generation of consoles all work right the the playstation five the xbox. XBOX series x right if you look at those. Are! Essentially have CPU and GP, you all in one big package. and. You know a unified pool of Ram for all that stuff, and they're no slouches right so anything up to. Like if you had a laptop that could play PS. Five Games at four K. The five game you'd be like that's pretty good graphics for a laptop. Right so up to basically that limit your fine, but anyone who knows anything about game consoles game consoles are great, but if you want to have real gaming horsepower, of course, you need a gaming pc and gaining, PC's are always except for maybe on launch day of a console, more powerful than consoles because in a gaming. You can buy a video card that costs more than the entire playstation five. Stick it inside your your gaming. And have way more horsepower. And that the fact that the MAC pro has like emptying CI slots, the whole point of this machine that has. What do you stick in? Those PC is lots if none of them can be filled with video card, so my biggest hardware question that I'm looking forward to being answering the next two years is how the hell do you replace the Mac pro with an arm with machine? If you don't have support for discrete GPU's, does apple make its own discreet gp you do they continue to partner with MD Dean work that out of this. Is technically possible, but as far as we've ever seen from Apple. They have never made an arm system on a chip that has any support for external jeepers like their entire architecture doesn't lend itself to that so two parts this one. Don't flip out about integrated GP. It'd be great for everything if you're not. Happy with up to an including PSI performance but to. Be on the lookout for some big changes here is they don't replace the Mac pro, or they're going to have some very impressive, very cool custom hardware. Tries to match. What today's Mac pro can do with. Thousands of dollars worth of GP in Vietnam inside there. Yes. That's that's a massive question because I to as soon as I, said Univer memorex around like. Oh yeah, that is what I have, and that most likely precludes any other GP us from being used no discrete, no external and they could add that the, but they didn't ask that today, and it doesn't seem like the kind of thing they would do at the same time the Mac. Pro and they did say that they were planning on complete tradition in about two years at the same time the MAC pro. They announced last year. They I. Mean I think I think somebody even says much explicitly that like this is not something that they expected to be a one off. Like when they unveiled the new Mac pro last year, they expected this to be. For the long haul so I can't imagine they were fishing. That's last at the time only three years at most that that is not the impression I got last year at all from talking to people at the for the MAC pro. People at Apple, and so I have to imagine that there will be a story about the MAC pro, and very what they said today sounds like it's going to go arm by roughly two years from now. So there's going to be some kind of story where something that takes roughly that form factor and. Roughly that capability level. is going to exist in the world. And what form that takes, I have no idea I think of the options of John I. Think the most likely that I can come up with is like. Maybe they have a second generation m PX module that has apple GPS on it. Maybe maybe they partnered with Ti to makes you think that's the most likely I? Think the most likely is. That the they have a system on chip that has a huge number of course in a super fast than it has wimpy integrated graphics, and they just support discreetly abuse like that's the. They've never again never done that before. There's no precedent for it, but is technically possible like right now. My Mac pros. CPU has a GP. You inside a dozen. Let's. have. Intel's integrated graphics in the my crazy I think some of them do I don't think the ones that US do all right anyway like it's like as we see and laptops. To have an integrated on your CPU and also have a discrete CPU. That's the thing apple does have experienced with on the until world. There's no what I'm saying is I. Don't expect them to make. Maybe I'm wrong with I don't expect them to make a custom system on a chip that rips out all of the the internal GPS. Stuff right because so much is tied into that like just for the Mac pro expect them to make a system on a chip. That's like the world. Be focused IPAD thing with like fifty cores or whatever right? And maybe some integrated GB stuff that the computer just ignores and then just have support for plain old external gps. Around like you can't, if you look at what they do with those Gpu's, there's a reason you can put four of them inside this computer. It's not just for the hell of it, and you can't fit those. There's no system on a chip can fit the compute power that you can have in in the two of those do gp you Vega to things just never going to happen, and it would be pointless indicates this big is what are you feeling all that space but so? I'm actually pretty excited to see what they're gonNA. Come up, because remember. It's not just competing with the MAC pro today competing wear them act pros going to be in two years, so they've got their work. Cut Out for them at the hand. I have no problem what they're gonNA. Do in the middle I mean it's the Mac pro where it's going to be in two years very well might be where it is today. But not, for GP I think they are actually going to upgrade the GPO. There will be new modules that you can buy. That will keep cracking these up in. After burner card, we'll see a by the way I try look this up before the show. I mentioned that the concepts have unified memory architecture, but I'm like wait a second doesn't the PS via have like a slight bifurcation where it uses slow Ram and Fast Ram, and I googled for it intensely before the show and could not find it. To. Mike and the chat reminds me. It's because it's not the PS virus, the xbox for cost saving reasons. The xbox series x has like one pool of Really Fast Ram one pool slice lower rampant. That's here nor there. Basically they don't have dedicated vm in this generation, they may have two different pools of slide, different speed ramp, but To say that. A you know I have no problem believing that. The arm Max that come out like the arm macbook pros with. Any of the current intelligence so don't worry about that now. We don't know about the upcoming into ones because they apple announced, which is rare for them. We will continue. You know. They have not said this and I would have told you that it was going to be anyway, but they said we're gonNA. Make New Intel MACs. And so I can totally see for example, a redesigned IMAC, coming out as an Intel Mac, and then that same exact case in design, being also the first arm based DIMAC that would be super cool and perfectly fine with me and same thing with macro pros, I, think they will continue to evolve right up until someone rips out, their guts puts armed guts inside them. And I think. The GP issue. Keep in mind. That apple's been making processor designs for longer than the GPA designs. Maybe taking a little bit extra time to really get the GPO side of things. Going might help them, so that's why I think it's probably wise to assume not just for like power efficiency reasons, but also for GPS. Reasons that the I R Max are likely to be the ones that use integrated GPA US and the last are Max are the ones basically the sixteen inch the at least the pro and the Mac pro? Those would probably be the last ones that switchover to arm because they need some kind of solution to high end GP, you stuff whether it's apple in house or discreet you support. And maybe they needed more time to get that right so I'm guessing I arm Max are the low power laptops in maybe a low end. That isn't it only. Getting by saying before the Casey being said that the MAC will no longer be the machine where you can run MAC APPS natively and run windows. APP natively in had the best of both worlds. We may be losing that if windows doesn't follow. Mac Os onto arm buddy, even if it doesn't follow, we are gaining things which is now. If you buy a Mac, it will be a a computer that you can run. x86 Mac APPs on with translation. Arm. Mac APPs on. Arm Lennox. Are Whatever right in virtualization, and also apparently all I o isn't I had. Defied. This is amazing I. Don't know if we also that coming because if you had said that like think of this way. It's you know we've always known. There's been technically possible like. We know that you can run those apps and x eighty six. That's when you run EXCO Gordon the simulator. It does that right, but like they wouldn't do that. We can you imagine a little iphone APP and a little window on your Mac? Apple they just went and did it. And not only did they go and do it, but. If, you're an APP developer, and you submit an APP to the APP store after whatever point? Apple will put that up. into the MAC APP store for you. Unless you opt out, so say you submit your IPAD APP, and you forget to opt out. Your IPAD Hep appears in the map store, so you submit an iphone APP, and you forget to opt out your iphone apple. APP store. The MAC APP store just gained potentially literally millions of applications and I have no idea how this is going to shake out, but it is. Probably the biggest most consequential. announcement in the hall arm Mac thing and it is I think thrown everyone for a loop because there are lots of good things that can happen there. Lots of bad things that can happen, but everybody is all in the mix now. This is this, isn't it? I never would have seen coming. You know I thought for sure that Apple's answer to this catalyst, and that was it, and this basically opts everyone in by default to an automatic catalyst e version of your APP existing on the neck only and this is only on our. Max Won't apply to Max, but it's only in our Max, but still yeah. Yeah, that's why they run on modified 'cause they're built for arm like you. You Upload Your Binary or whatever to the man at the APP store for your iphone, APP and the head exact iphone things then those bits onto your Mac, it's also an arm CPU and they run into the little frigging window where the weird menu bar and a bunch of other. It's like what. Like for games and stuff that makes perfect sense, but like the thing that kills me. Is the IPHONE APPS like I? I can imagine doing with I. Pass, but I mean I. Guess you know, go halfway full like, but anyway what this means for Mac quote, Unquote Mac gaming is that. Is there in Iowa game that you think is cool. Ronan on your magnum at the full screen, basically like the Games don't have any sort of you know, you'll say game like you I. This is going to be amazing for. Any irs game that you had enjoyed that. You think you might also join your Mac. Just run it whether it's a little like threes and a little window, or you're swiping away or a full screen immersive APP I. Don't think it's going to be any big renaissance of Mac gaming, but I immediately thought of Games as the type of application where you don't care that it looks nothing like the Mac because it's the game. Yeah this is this is going to be a lot of fun I think You know there are certain apps where it's unlikely to come over, so I can imagine think things like big TV apps where they have rights issues. Oh, you can't just blee. We don't have the rights to show this video on a computer screen, but we do WANNA tablet like I'm sure they're all GonNa. Opt Out all the all those big company APPS. They're all gone. Opt Out, but this is going to be really. Really, great for mostly the APPS and I think I think you're right games, also the fact that it's opted and by default and you have to manually opt out is great, because most small developers won't have any reason to opt out, so they'll just do it, which is very different from like the you know proposition for developing a catalyst. APP was like you have to go explicitly do this thing now most of us. If there's any demand for our APPS on the Mac at all, we should make catalyst APPS. or or actual maps but like. Catalyst ads will run on Intel MACs and this automatic arm port of IOS. APPs won't so if you want to address the customer base. Obviously having an airport is pretty important for a while and catalyst is the way to do that, but this is a really really cool alternative, and puts a really good stake in the ground for the future when our Max are commonplace, and then we'll just have this massive software library available to. For most for most Max out there. Yeah, and so the the fear that people have this is the ultimate version of shovel where like develop didn't even do anything and suddenly APPs swarming your computer. If you want them to be, and they're all, they're not Mac like in any way. They tried to do a bunch of stuff for like Oh. If you change in dark mode will support that because we supported in Iowa. Let's cool that works. And what has settings well, we'll generate this weird. Strange looking you UI and the MAC and we'll give you menu. You can go to preferences and it'll bring up. The settings bundle with an interface, and there's a quit command, which as they said in the presentation is the thing that exists on the Mac, so if you want to reflexively quit all of your, you know. You can do that, too, and even APP extensions work. They demo like in the Mac version of photos you can. Hit the share sheet and pull up at extension from an Iowa APSO like that. There's that cool I don't know if there's a MAC version just came to mind. Like machine learning thing. Let's you array stuff from pictures. Who makes that? Pick this pixel? Make that somebody makes a really cool ipad. A APP that lets you intelligently array stuff from pictures and I always thought that was cool and every time I have occasion to use it I. Find Myself on my Mac. Now I could just download the APP on my Mac and use that share extension to do that to my photos in Mac photos like just like Rosetta. They did an amazing job of integrating this, but in the end. It's not a Mac. APP is not going to look like a map like this thing where there has been zero worked on like the person who who made that doesn't even know you're running and UNIMAK. That brings up a question that I thought would be answered in the state union, but still wasn't is how the hell do you handle multi touch? People might think Oh, well if you have a track pad that solves the problem, doesn't it? Really because actual multi touch, lets you put multiple fingers on the screen and arbitrary locations, but you just have one pointer, so maybe pinched zoom and stuff you put you put the mouse cursor. cursor over the part that you want, and then you do a pinch gesture on your thing, and you're pinching in that location, but what about actual multi touch where you wanna put multiple fingers and arbitrary locations? I don't know I always. Absent IPAD OS can support that because they're on touchscreens. Eventually Max might be ends screens, and that'll solve this problem, but in the meantime. What the hell do people do when they want to? Multi touch the simulator ex code. Has this weird thing where you hold on the option key with the cursor, and it makes these two little ghosts fingers in this is a strange interface in the stimulated to try to simulate moldy touch, but it's not good. I don't honestly don't know what will happen if you. Bring up like say fruit, Ninja, or some other kind of thing that once you do like five finger swipe across fruit to cut it into five pieces. How do you play that game with a track pad or a mouse? Maybe you can't, and maybe it's just like Oh, well. Don't use games like that. Maybe they're just hoping that. Touched Max will come out before this is an issue. I don't know if the deal is, but it was really weird for them to not say anything about it. They didn't demo it. They didn't say anything about it so as far as we know on Keno Day. This is still a mystery. That's GONNA. Be Really Clunky if they take the same approach as a simulator, and this feels to me like one of those situations where most people at apple just don't use traditional mice, not even the magic mouse I. I no facts to back that up, but it just feels like one of those situations where it's like Oh. Oh, yeah, people use mice. Mice. likes like actual mice that they drag across their tabletop and their desktop I. Forgot about those. It just seems like an afterthought now. Who knows maybe maybe it'll be something that they they have thought about. I would hope and maybe it'll be better than it is on the simulator I would hope but gosh. You're exactly right on the simulator. said if they use track beds. That doesn't help like you. Track PAD is not a solution to multi touch because you're not picking wear in the You I. Touch your fingers, but this is not how it works. You have one cursor on the screen that's in one location, and yes, then you can touch the track pad with your multiple fingers and Kinda sort of map them, but like it's not. That's not a solution right? That is a one step better than just having a mouse, maybe although honestly with the magic mouse with this Wabi stuff on it. It's not that big anyway. This is the problem that they need to solve again. Obviously has touch base Max which I think coming, but in the meantime. What's the deal house is going to work I? Guess we'll all just download. Download it install the Betas and find out for ourselves, but boy. This is a weird one has a lot of really important implications for the business of making APPs for the Makah that thing eluded to earlier about the unification of the API what's going to happen with ABC kit and catalyst you I. We don't have time to get into that in this very long shot already, but. stay tuned for future episodes for more discussion of those topics. We have so much more to say about all this stuff. We also have all of WDC yet to go I. mean this is a typical Monday where we got the keynote, the state of the Union, but I think all of the videos are dropping in one batch. Each morning I could be wrong about that. It's okay if I'm wrong, but one way or another. There's going to be a bunch new videos. Videos every single day for the next week or more, so yes, this is going to be very busy summer for ATP. In terms of talking about all this stuff, and it's probably going to be a very busy summer for all three of us for different reasons, working on on leveraging all these new technologies before we go I do think it is worth something up very quickly. kind of our thoughts. And I'd also be curious to hear each of your favorite thing feature platform. Whatever that you saw today for me? I am extremely impressed. I'm very sad that I wasn't there in person. this seems like it would have been raucous if we were there and that bums me out, not only for me, but especially for the engineers so hard on this stuff i. feel like this one would've been incredible to see in person. In some really sad about that, but overall this is a very impressive showing. A lot here so much here for us. Still to UNPACK IF I had to pick a favorite thing I. There's so much actually I'm I'm really really excited as stupid as it may sound. I'm really excited about those messages improvements I. think that's going to be super awesome and I'm really looking forward to try that. We'll see how well it works in reality I'm excited for messages to be on the MAC as a catalyst APP and hopefully have the feature parody that they've basically hinted toward, if not said but overall this, this was a really really great day for Apple Fans and I'm really looking forward to the videos that are coming over the next week. John What do you think? I think this was the best crop of wgn. Announce a long time, and I say that having come off last year, which was the Mac pro which I really loved? There was so much good stuff in the space station. I'm the most excited about our MACs. Just because I'm really excited about arm CPU's and hardware and I'm excited about CPU transitions like yes I say this as someone who expensive. Intel Mac I'm excited about our Max, but honestly everything. Iowa's thirteen. I saw like that's good. That's good. That's good. This is all good stuff. Big Sur stuff is slightly upsetting, but this is not my first. First Rodeo I'm hoping they can get. It all sorted out like I've seen all this before. We all read it over the the leather stitching. Read it over Yosemite flattening. We referred it over the translucent menu bar when it was in Leopard. Like I think that will get worked out, but overall tons of exciting announcements I. Share your sadness that we didn't get to see this person because this would have been I mean. Can you imagine the buzz among all of us? Like discussing these things in a big stew of people like there's just so much to be excited and upset about so I think this. Amazing an amazing crop. WC announcements one of the biggest ever and I love. The presentation was pretty good, too, so fingers crossed the future. Marco, it's hard for me to pick. I I'm. I'm happy to see that there is some. Progress happening on the Mac in some pretty big. even though as Some of that is is caused for a little bit of worrying or some like some of the Ui changes as we mentioned that I think I'd probably don't like as much, but we will get through that I am excited as an. Developer very excited about that. The the API's and the U. I designs and everything. What is what is considered quote? Standard you I for. Is Advancing pretty quickly and is advancing in a direction that makes it. Really toward the MAC and ipad unification. Unification I think is kind of crappy for Mac users for Iowa's developers. It's wonderful because we get to take our APPS that we mostly right for us and kind of make them happen on the platforms fairly easily, so to see that kind of continue to march forward, and to take significant strides is really good from the perspective of me as an Iowa developer, not necessarily as a Mac user. And I'm also really excited about something that we didn't even have time to talk about today. which is the the new like APP? Privacy optin stuff and tracking opt in and privacy disclosure. Stuff I'm actually looking forward to that. Because developers like me, who who don't do creepy stuff with your data I think that will benefit us, and I, certainly as a user. That's another way to as A. China light on bad practices to Kinda help. Tamp them down and inform people what's going on. That's a huge way to do that. That hopefully will work really well. We'll see how that actually works out in practice, especially in terms of enforcement. But I'm just I'm excited about a whole bunch of small stuff like that. And of course I'm always harbor not so I'm super excited about speculation about our Max what they might bring finally. But yeah otherwise. I as a developer. There's a lot here for me. Which is good? That's what this is for right. So I'm very much looking forward to the developer side of the user side of it. I think will end up being okay, but I do have the hesitations about the MAC teaming stuff, but otherwise that's it for me. So thanks a lot to our sponsors this week. Express VPN, base, camp and Mac Weldon, and we will see you next week. Now the show is over. The didn't even mean to begin because it was accidental. Accidental. John the only Research Marco KC wouldn't let him because it was accidental. Was Accident. And you can find the show today. And if. Them. S.. L. I assess. That's Casey Listen AFC. Are M. Anti Marco Armament. Are. C., USA Syracuse. I'm excited about the arm transition, but I feel like it's also nebulous right now that that. I, it doesn't even feel real. And I think as we start seeing hardware, and we start seeing the DT KS end up in people's hands. I, think I'll get more and more excited about it and I also forgot to mention a moment ago. That store kit debugging I'm excited for that. The stuff is we know that there are new Max they're going to be unlike anything we've seen before coming like. It's one time we actually. And we know in what way they're going to be different. They're gonNA. Hold different CPU. It's going to be system on chips and it's just going to be like. And again they're going to be better. They're going to be faster. They're gonNA have better battery life like apple wouldn't be doing it if they weren't better. And of course, they're newer just. Newark harbors is always better, so that's. That's what's exciting and they gave timelines to your period. I Mac within this year so. You know things are looking super interesting for the future to that end. Do you read the statement that it'll be a two year transition to mean there will not be any intel. MACs sold in two years. ANY NEW INTEL MACs sold in two years because that's the only interpretation that I can come up with, but did I misread that not sold. I think that the end of two years their entire product line will be available with arm CPU's in whether they continue to sell Intel of course they will, because you know, refurbish, and and maybe keep a model around and Blah Blah Blah, but it's like we finish the transition. Pick a product line small laptop me Mata BIG LAPTOP IMAC desktop many they'll be arm. Versions of all of those that's. That's what I presume the definition, then obviously any company making announcements two years in advance. Like? That's what their plan is. We'll see how it works out to give them a little leeway. It's very difficult to plan. Something complicated to using advanced, because lots of stuff can change totally unrelated to arm. That can. Change things but yeah, I'M NOT GONNA hold them down to the day. The giving two years is like this isn't going to happen at six months, and it's not going to happen in a year, so this should make people feel better about like their income actually just bought Casey because. Like even if like, it'll be supported for a long time like the real question is. When did they stop shipping version of Mac? Os? That has Intel Code, and that's going to be even longer than two years, so I think. It'll be fine. I wanted to ask mark because a lot of people are gonna ask this, and after show is a good place for you to Chime in briefly. How does do your odds of creating a catalyst version of overcast? It certainly increases that one thing that caught my eye. In particular is the native Split View support for three column owed, and the Casino Split View until now has been to calm only so that's to, and so basically I've had to write my own split view in a number of furniture of occasions for a number of times There's the significant challenges. Challenges for unification and everything of older less support right now I still support Iowa's twelve. This is the first year I've ever like held onto the previous version compatibility for any meaningful time because I I went thirteen only very briefly last fall and it. It mean a lot of trouble. Basically I angered a lot of people, and I'd grossly underestimated. How many? new installations I would lose by by requiring the latest Os because they're still a lot of people on devices couldn't run. I was thirteen and thirteen was so buggy that a lot of people didn't adopted very quickly and I can't blame them. It so. The real question for me is like. Can I require thirteen anytime soon? Even if required thirteen acquire fourteen, because thirteen and fourteen have the same device compatibility I think. So. If I can require fourteen sometime like by by midwinter like sometime during like an early part of the year. Or if I decide you know effort and I just required anyway. Then I will be much more inclined to do a big redesign this year. That will make catalyst not suck. That will use all this new stuff. I have other considerations to like. Do I keep my custom font? You know like right now. Every time. I turn off my custom font. On Irs, it looks like it's overcast anymore and I. I hear the same thing from a lot from a lot of friends. In users I love the custom font, but it's hard to. Design and develop an APP using your own custom font now that would look good with all this new with all this new I paradigm. Certainly I want use a Mac. That would look weird. I think I. Don't use a on the watch. That looks weird. But do I use it on the IPAD or and the phone like? There's issues that have to work out. And I, so if I like ideally, if I was starting from scratch today, making a whole scratch APP or at least a whole scratch, you i. I would probably not have accustomed funds at all I'd use system for everything I would try to make it as system default as possible, and there's lots of reasons why would do that, but you know. Critical of which in this case is like you get so much of this cross platform. Ui with very little effort. And right now I. Don't have this tuition right now. I have an extremely. Surprisingly complicated surprisingly custom you I. That is specifically designed to work decently well on the phone to kind of work on the IPAD, and not at all to work on the MAC. And I, for lots of reasons, there's a lot of. Of Heft and Croft in that. In that? In the U I that I have now and so I've meaning for a while to. Basically, throw it away and start over and make something totally modern. That would go from one to three columns, and look good on the Mac and IPAD and fun and everything but that's that's GonNa be a lot of work that will require a newer than I, currently require at least one. And ideally abusing swift you, I, maybe Sir I had to learn that, and that's influx still like there's a whole bunch of stuff for like a few years from now almost certainly want to be there, but the path to get from here to. There might be very messy and I am very hesitant to start down that path. Mostly asking in the idea that you'd be demotivated from the work that you described by the fact that you could just run the iphone version or the IPAD version writing Mac without any change all if that was not arm. If that also applied to serve running on Intel. That would be a very tempting like procrastination. Wind just like you know what I'm just going to not ever do this because the reality is like. That's not going to result in a lot of great Mac. APPS, but overcast doesn't need to be a great backup like because it's complicating all everything I just said. Is that as much as I care about making overcast? That's wonderful cross platform first class apple apple from citizen. The reality is that it's mostly an iphone APP. Almost no one uses it on their ipads. No one uses the website effectively no one and so it basically is an iphone APP and I and I I'm putting a lot more effort into other platforms support than it probably actually warrants. That's not not going to do it because I wanted but the ultimate. Overcast should be designed primarily, and by far for the IPHONE and supporting any any of the platform is actually pretty future than important. Yeah, you get that modernisation that you just described eventually you'll have just like flexible you is. That works any screen size of works in Iowa. Zyppah in the Mac and you can do that once and do it well, and you'll cover most of the basis, because in the end overcast is mostly a self contained. Need extensive menu bar structure in customizable toolbar and and context menus like. The interface what the interface does. Whoever presented by the surveys, and then people just want to listen to their podcasts and keep track of where they were across all the platforms, and so in the meantime while you're working on this big change, if people just run down their arm, Mac the the iphone version of Mac that solving the problem for them, which is I? Want to keep listening to podcast? I was listening to do before and my guess are overcast so that work out fine so I'm I'm looking forward to use the web. But being able to just launch the. Phone APP and have it sinking and everything is way better than manually finding the episode and you know doing all that business with the web you I. I think we have to add this. Hello, people who manage to make it this far into the five gas congratulations, the few the proud who've made it to the end, maybe this whole podcast that I should send a tweet and our email to the guys to tell them. They didn't realize that they changed the version number well. Yes, we did in fact. I saw it in the house. I brought it up. This is a big Sur is not ten dot sixteen. Is Eleven dot zero? People haven't been keeping track of the naming the Roman numeral ten capital Eller ex left the MAC operating system awhile ago, but they kept calling it ten dot, whatever we made it up to ten dot fifteen, but there will be no ten sixteen. We're going to eleven and they can do that because it's just a version number. Is No longer represented in the branded name of the things. You don't have to change it to x eleven room. Anything like that. So. That's cool, but I bet it's going to break a bunch of people's version number checks in their code because that happens every time. This happens so when you're porting to arm and porting to big Sur. Don't forget if you weren't already using the correct macro serie. Version number check for instead. We're doing something naughty. Guess what the number after the decimal point is not going to be greater than fifteen. In fact, it's going to be zero. Look at the other number. It's eleven. Also to save us from a lot of potential, follow up that people have probably already written. Any already before they got here and they're getting emails the second time saying Oh, I'm sorry to the end now we have to emails, thanks. I know well, that's that's I. Enjoy when someone sends me a message and I know that they listen like thirty more seconds. Three more listen three more hours. They'll. They'll learn that. In fact, we did all notice that changed and I think that's cool honestly like. When the number after decimal point starts getting too big. It gets unwieldy. This is a perfect point to change to eleven. Some of them chat suggested maybe eleven dot the armed version. Now it's going to be over all overall them. I said that based on no information, but I am super confident. And it is, it is kind of like they. Maybe they should have considered making it fourteen to match I us, but you know the whole. House the Iowa's already in the midst of its own numbering problem, which is when you start to get them to those high numbers. It gets weird it's. mcelroy's gets to go to eleven dot zero. And then they got that one and not too long runway of smooth easy version numbers until they get up to eleven. Fifteen then they have to change the mind again. Anyway so also to save us as I was saying from even more email, we are very much aware that there is large things that we didn't cover yet. such as like literally right before we recorded people discovered. There's this new apple posted this new announcement about how later the summer they're going to have a thing where you can challenge APP store rules during your review or something. We saw that blow by. We were like all ready recording, so we'll look into that once. There's something to cover on. The show will cover that at some point says. Going to be lots of stuff like that. They're so much to say were already three hours and there's going to be so much more to say so we will. We will get to it in later episodes. Don't worry about that. Myself again, because apparently a chat rooms telling me the eleven zero is just a marketing number, and the real version is ten sixteen under the covers. That was last I assume that was a joke I. Really I, don't know well, and we just saw the keynote, so we don't know I. Don't have big Sur installed, so I can't check, but I believe the about screen was showing me the real version over, and I thought it was eleven zero. Please don't email us. By the time you listen to the show, we will have found out by actually installing the show. We will follow up next week.

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Three twenty eight back to me about taking on a very long road trip Me zach donny. Cruise show smuggled podcast. Hey everybody welcome to the show. Zach and i are in the studio. It is is a tuesday. Morning means probably not drinking right I've got one of those days drinking an hour ago. I have Whenever i have more than like three or four main items on my day of things to do not counting like emails and phone calls and bullshit. But i mean you need to be here. You need to be here whenever. I have more than three or four. The three really i. I've my day has like three blocks morning middle aft- afternoon and typically those are related to like it takes to fucking get anywhere in la but we've been a little spoiled the last year and it hasn't taken very long to get places. Yeah traffic's back. Oh yeah traffic back in a big way experienced last week when we had a rare bit of poor planning from the old tangent vector crew in which we had an eighty mile transit in the middle of a worked a and that was for making my new show modified which air premiered today on haggerty's youtube channel youtube dot com slash haggerty. The show called modified shocker about modified cars but unlike my previous ventures into modified cars. We have things like closed roads. We have studios We have Ten years experience tuned came out in twenty eleven. yeah And we have access to wonderful. People like bruce meyer who i somehow convinced to let me have ago. in the yellow bird on on a closed road So y- that's the first video of i first episode. It's up. it's up right now. I actually reviewed the first ever production roof. Yellow bird How cool is this is the actual shit. It is better than porsche could build. Believe it or not. I mean two hundred and twenty three thousand dollars in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. It was twice as expensive as a coon tauch. How much was the nine five nine. When they came out now they were expensive. I don't know what but they were. They were probably like this expensive. Yeah they were crazy crazy expense. Do the inflation calculator. How much to twenty two twenty three in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty seven yeah. I think it's probably it's probably like six seven hundred grand. Yeah it's probably like a guenther you know or like a singer you know. It's probably that if in nineteen eighty seven you spent two hundred and twenty three k five hundred sixteen thousand like buying a gun the same same kind of reno reengineering But i think the difference As we discuss. Please watch the video. This is like it's not like like you know i get i get the one take. It's kind of like what we're known for the like. We're actually pretty good at making produced stuff and so when we get the opportunity to make produced stuff It's really fun. I enjoy Doing it working with with my old friends and You know the idea that you've got a car like that and you've legally closed your favorite rhode. Yeah that's i mean that's just fucking glorious chance special. Yeah and so what. I have to do that we need. We need you to do high-speed passes now so now now you're going to do one fifty pulse. Okay no problem can do thing is like hey can we. Can we have you to burn out. You didn't do that in this. I know but like in other production. I guess no i mean the best. When you've got to close road and the cops go jesus. How fast was that and you go like a a buck forty. And they're like wow that's awesome. I had one we. We closed roads in three different states on this production and i had one police officer. Tell me after seeing me. Drive the car up and down this road a few times. He goes men. There's this place called the freedom causeway in this car would fucking kill over there and i go to. This cop just encouraged me to street race this car because i think he did i but so in the show. Let's see we've got Episodes this season of Modified on haggerty. Which i guess is every tuesday Yellow bird is number. One carb california car legal engine swaps is episode to and from there. I have no idea what the order is. But we've got the b. Five rs for safari. Rally i someone asked me. What's the devastating safari car. A rally car. I think a roll cage. A safari car is toy and a rally car is a competition vehicle yes. I'm literally writing an article right now for road and track about the The aether btv six which is like as far car but talked about it. And i don't want to scoot my story. But it's like comfort safari. Cars need to be comfortable. The need to have some creature comforts. Because you're going along or distance and you're not wearing a cool suit and all that stuff rally cars like stripped out barebones all. Its only purpose to go fast. Crossland right the kosovar cars like a. It's a toy. You're not doing anything for time. You know what. I mean right. You wanna go places you want to have fun. You know you capability but it's you know it doesn't really matter how fast you're doing it so we've got the b. five s four safari which. Actually i screamed this morning. I think that one that one came out really good because just just the the we were really blessed with our locations. Like i've never been able to make a show where we're actually filming in like the perfect locations. Oh donny's calling. Should i pick up. Oh yes donny yeah. So we're we're recording a podcast. Now i'm holding the phone on speaker next to the microphone so the audience can hear you And and what's going on not Watching the daytona paint dry. So i'm going to split. Pretty sound with to watch pedro you might as well watch daytona paint dry exactly and Sizes calling to see about bringing into your Your headquarters there. You're layer bring it down. Please bring it down. I'll be about an hour still around to be here in an hour. Y'all be here our. We're we're gonna be recording. The show come if you make it while we're still recording just dive into the show so soon by we might have. We might have dropped nine. Donnie maybe my ferrari has done and i know he always happy with it. The pictures he sent me of the attacks he when he finished with it. He took it out for a photo shoot. He sent me back. He had like a photo. Shoot when this thing. He's like scar. Look sick right now. He loves him and he. I think he loves will your car but also his job he does. He gets excited about it and he decided to see them change when he has a customer that he knows wants to drive their car. Not just flip it more collected. But i bought this car to drive. Make it so it's the best driver it can be. He fucking loves that. Shit i mean. He likes doing cosmetic restoration. Work as well as you said he was watching daytona paint dry but But he he he really takes pride in going. No no this is how ferrari wanted it done and if you make it like that it's really good but ultimately like all this shit that he's done to this car. It's a lot this most recent thing like there's a lot he found a lot more fucking garbage. You didn't get to and the belts hadn't been done which you know. He talk did the belts and he said he he goes actually now that we did the belts he goes. I can feel it in how the engine runs. The the new the old belts weren't they were they were tired and so but it is a testament till the fact that like even know he found you know like five figures worth shit in the car to fix right to make it perfect. I was driving at the whole time. I you know what i mean. It's not like a sent up there on a flatbed. Like i put six hundred miles on it after i bought it. I put another seven hundred miles on it in between services one into either then drove it one hundred miles to him for this thing and even though like it's it's sort of like the air cooled nine eleven's where like even if things go wrong. It happens like slowly and you can kind of you can keep driving the car. Cars are fairly resilient some go just fucking boom but three twenty eight doesn't go boop well it depends on what's going wrong of course but i think we'll be interesting is in ten years from now because cars have so many computers that talk to each other things are imperfect. I wonder how much like room they wiggle room. They have to operate with optimal. Yeah yeah it it'd be it'd be interesting. They may have more failsafes where they just go. Fuck you shut the whole thing down. Did you watch Jason communities video about cold starts No but that sounds like the kind of thing i would get into. It was yeah it was one of the note. All show A quick thing but he was saying you know the reason the call it happens is because the car trying to heat up the catalytic converters quickly as possible right but What people had noticed on c. Sevens is sometimes they crank for a long time and it's because the computer is waiting for the perfect moment where everything is optimal to cold. Start otherwise it won't so some people saw it as like. Why isn't my corvette starting running shit. But it's like no no no the computers watching all these parameters and then it goes now and that and it's very interesting isn't it. How about the seventy seven. The example. he shows a seven. Well i i. I'm sure other cars do that. I can think of instances where cars that i know of. Just i called. Start cars fucking all the time. I would a parking garage. You know what i mean. So there are certain cars. Ferraris four or five eighths Certain lamborghinis And a couple. I think maybe even shelby mustangs have different varying lengths of how many how often they crank How many times. Crank whereas when donnie talks about my three twenty eight which is very simple. Bosch cis injection. He's like basically if if it's more than twice something's going wrong it should be fire. Nation shouldn't hot want to fire. That's whereas if you've heard my lamborghini start it's very interesting. It starts one cylinder at a time. Wait what it's like four cranks and then it goes po. You hear it just go okay. The first cylinder has fired. And then you let the key go. Then it goes pu- pu- and then they all wake up and then it fires evenly and i thought it was broken until i read. A harry metcalfe Article about some kuntar's. She was driving and he was like the perfect symphony of the individual cylinders. Firing one at a time. And i was like. Oh yes. it works radio airplane engine. Yes exactly exactly. Yes bob and then and then it fires oh man. I'm listening really only when it's ice cold when it's warm it starts just like regular. Yeah it's really really neat. It's one of my favorite things now actually to hear it do it very unique. Yeah it sounds like it's about to not start. Does i is enough to fire. The crank around i piston shove then starts cranking bergen weird Meat anyway Sorry for the interruption. There that may turn into some con content. Oh but To not modified on. Haggerty where we're we the beef ours for carb california legal engine swaps. That's one episode. We've got the willies. Jeep converted to ev. That i drove on muddy icy rally stage in froze my fucking balls off We've got The demand motor sport came in. Gt four point five which i screamed this morning and looks fucking awesome. I was worried that car wasn't gonna look as fast as it felt it does. And we've got Jesus offroad over landing cayennes emotional unplugged. Performance modified a tesla's we've got. I'm going to detroit next week to film the last two. Which is the mil spec drift. Hummer h one drift hummer and cars. This shoot fire all the cars that shoot fire but not from there like like cars that have like flame. Throwers sauce old. School chop really never seen that before. No i've seen it a bunch of nonsense. Alex nights i thought it was cool. Shit in the not enough people have given enough positive media two cars the walls of flare nut. Yeah super not just shooting fire on the kind of pose. Uri thing to do now was shooting fire out. The exhaust has been done before and better. Yeah i'm curious about the different methods. Because i know i see these forty nine marks going down and meriva up. Yeah and then you'd hear like all the cylinders drop and someone hits a button and she does all the gas. Yeah i know it has a fucking spark plug in the exhaust tip and it has straight up like like a power like a hose. Nozzle that that fucking sprays fuel really. Oh it has an actual injector yea. I tells me and we're working with murray fast. Mary designs fucking nut. He's great he's out of his mind He's a perfect guy for this. And he's just he's a king asieme old school very cool. He built one of my favorite custom. Look up the f. a. f. f. imperial speedster. He took a chrysler imperial and made it into a speedster and it is the dope shit. Yeah there is this dude share. Yeah look at that car looking in the fucking side profile. The proportions just directly from the side. Yeah that imperial psych a big four seat huge convertible huge and the turned it into a two seat. Speedster the size of a corvette. And it's fucking so rowdy awesome. Yeah so he's got him and his buddies have shit that shoots mad fire. i'll cool. Yeah he sent me a list of cars in his garage right now. Any one of them would have made a totally great episode but then at the very bottom and he was like. I've got a fifty one that shoots hundred foot wall of flame. I'm like oh well that That will do. Wow what a great idea all right. Yeah here's a if you've never been to howard show. You may not have ever seen this before. But it's just here cargo room and then it gets quiet and also and in fire to shoots out of it. Well that's what we'll have to ask. Murray is is that revving up related to what's happening at the exhaust or is he just making some noise to get your attention right hitting the button and just fuck inflamed. I'm curious ask them. If there's different methods to make this happen. Because i always thought that it was like cylinder deactivation people revving it up getting the motor spinning and then they could somehow cuts spark in all in the motorcycle shoves a bunch of ood or something. No when people put like the fire tune on their gtri's or whatever. That's what it's doing that that's like that's like dumping fuel into hot headers and it and popping a fireball out the back this is really like a propane tank. That's hooked up to sprayer nozzles that are actually in the exhau- so that photo bigger you can say one good the whatever you were just on anyone where you can actually see you see how it's like a five inch pipe fair. It's actually it's a big fucking can. It's a big five inch. Can that has an a spark sprayer. It might be. You're cool a fuel injector with fuel pump of some kind. It might be like a hose hook up but it's basically like on button. It's just a flame thrower a proper like flame thrower in the exhaust. So bananas we need j. f. was Saying that we have to get some special permits to probably do. I'm glad i'm not feeling that paperwork. Wow that's cool man. That's really cool. Yeah that'll be fun. That'll be super fun. That's my that one is kind of the wildcard episode. Because it's just it's out of you know it's out of my typical wheelhouse old school. You know it's a kind of shit that i saw going on when i was a kid. Yeah it shows must've would probably know how to build these things or something like oh that's cool that'd be fun yeah and i'm sure there are other episodes that we felt that i've forgotten aren't there i think you listed them I don't know what i liked. The variety is really cool. like jeep. powerful whatever offer like. It's really all over the place. That's right yeah the skyline story so it's not it's not just a review of a skyline. It's it's it's a little more thorough. Look at how what makes skyline special. What how the skyline drives one of the most interesting things. Which i'll i'll scoop myself. You have to watch the video to see this. One little thing sean. Morris said to sean. I you know what percentage of the vehicle importing market is driven by skylines. He said a hundred he said without without skylines. There's no importing market. The rest of it is like just outside side remorse. It's all about skyline. Yeah that makes sense so So we had we did this guidelines because that was the most coveted car that we didn't get right. I mean they're importing sylvia's and stuff but we got versions of those or your vans. We got vans. They're they're cool like the delicate very cool right but we. We got things that do enough of that job. Like a mazda. Mpv is silent so much hype behind it that wants because video games because of racing because best motoring and racing and at that when we finally got our hands on it and the cars delivered on the driving experience it was like oh fuck me wait these are it's not it wasn't just a dream this actually that good right jimmy. Gimme you know right. Let's get these going. So but the skyline episode is a lot. I think it out really interesting like it's a much more interesting episode than it is just a review of skyline which i've done enough of those. Yeah but you tell. The story of the are with these videos which is great with the help of shaun and with the help of you know good good editors and and good writing right right. Heart agree does a lot of the writing on the show. Even though i mean obviously there's a lot of me as well but but They help a lot too. So that's good so excited that that is up starting today because After he'd done listening this year podcast. You can go check out my my yellow bird film which i should send that linked to bruce. I think definitely probably should have already. I think he i hope he won't be annoyed that he's like why is other people sending me. You didn't send me this link. Now he's good What else what else is going on. I spent i spent a week with the The do coty strada. V for s Motorcycle we made a video About it but this bike there is so much going on the spike that it's like it truly is like the x six m of motorcycles like there but but unlike the x six m when we did we did the xm review which is now up on on the the channel but unlike the x six m a lot of the shit. That's on this. Bike doesn't really belong on motorcycles. It's like shit the cheer. You don't even have to say any more on a car you have to say is on this motorcycle you know what i mean like. You don't have to make a big point of saying that one hundred and fifty thousand dollars super. Suv has adaptive shocks. That's like that's like a little asterisk on the sideline but like this is a motorcycle with an adaptive suspension fully adaptive like that deserves a few minutes of discussion and this is a motorcycle with multiple drive modes multiple power output levels multiple throttle maps multiple like settings for all kinds of different shit adaptive radar cruise control like cornering aps abs that factors in the lean angle and speed of the bike. Soy has mid corner and it would just figure out how to keep you upright has it has a counter rotating crankshaft so what i mean by. That is typically a motorcycle where that has a an the. The crankshaft moves the same direction as the wheels. Will that make sense right. Because you're crankshaft turns a gear which turns another gear and there's your wheel moving right in this do cadiz counter rotating what it turns the other way it actually adds to the gyroscopic effect. It adds stability it. It gives you a more precise you have if you dump the throttle quickly. You have much more engine braking instantly so so the the the crank is spinning the actress. Yes got it not ninety degrees. It's been a one eighty degree frag direction. Corral wheels direction it's not like Like a bmw. Yes where it's spinning longitudinal. Right it's spinning transverse with the bike but backward slough and so that it helps it really helps make the the difference between being off throttle and on throttle and that transition of onto off aunt in makes that way smoother. Yeah like imagine dumping the throttle. You're in fourth gear. You're going flat in dodge viper and you dump the throttle right. There's like some overrun. You know what. I mean or a big turbo engine. You know there's some overrun. You get the engine braking effect whereas if you're in an e ticon or something and you dump the throttle. It's instant you know what i mean. It's like that right. So yeah it's just crazy amounts of the twenty four thousand dollar motorcycle but It speaks to the size of microprocessors. Now the fact that they can put the computing power to run adaptive shocks radar cruise and stuff and like you know that thing had Just what lcd display crazy. The i was ver- i use the captive cruise control for like five minutes. And it scared me actually. Not because it doesn't do what it says it does its front and rear radars but like it just autumn motorcycle. I felt i felt. I didn't want to give up that much control right. Although you know if i was riding a thousand miles on one of those emptied desert highways or whatever with nobody around yeah i'd a cruise control but like on the four. Oh five like no sorry. That's a little fucking sketch to me. You know what i mean. Yeah you don't wanna give up that much like a mental attention. I think you want to be really focused on a motorcycle right and to in activating cruise in a car. Which is very convenient. Allows you to rest your brain to try to match the car speed in front of perfectly. Yeah you steer but you know this also. It's a bigger taller heavier bike. That i'm used to riding a hundred and seventy fucking horsepower. Hundred and seventy fast daily motorcycling. That i on every is twenty. Seven horsepower is my best book you know so and even the aguirre which i took out your your bug out bike which was fun as fuck actually to ride. 'cause it's it's not that fast but it's fast enough it's like it's almost like a hundred and fifty percents scale from pretty pretty Me it's like you on. Graham is me on this well. it's it's got one big cylinder right now so it's and it's got no tack so i have no idea where redline happy you'll find. It can tell but you bring it out pretty good but this bike you know i did. I did in in two weeks on this. do coty. I did almost six hundred miles a lot of miles on this fucking thing and they were pretty comfy. I had to film days for the haggerty show and two days in a row. I had to do full laps of loss of lake county. You know and and if i was in a car had been stuck in traffic. But i was going you know. And it was one of these days dude. I had to go the day. We did the skyline. I wrote this thing to lake hughes wrote i wrote. It took a stake. There was a small craft advisory out it was twenty. Five to thirty five knots knots wind and one hundred miles inherits one point one point two one point two and dude you know it was. It was work obviously to ride this thing in a win. Like that and there were a couple of like whoa there moments but this bike is the most vertically stable bike like in in a wind. Or that i've ever personally re is that. Do they have a computer compensating for things or is it just the bike design and they did a lot of wind tunnel testing. Oh they do. A lot of wind tunnel testing. They do the counter. Rotating crank You know they they just. It's a very very well engineered thing. It's pretty much a bike that ken do. You know it's a little too big to be really lane splitting in la as an urban bike. Like there's nothing like my vespa to fuck and get to beverly hills in traffic look. There's nothing i can fuck get through anything. This is a big. It's a big bike so there's limitations to your lane splitting but if you if you had a like thirty or forty mile daily commute this would be fucking kick ass bike you know or if you wanted to do a big road trip. This would be a kick ass bike if you really wanted to do. A lot of miles mixed terrain this would be. I didn't go off road some pussy. And i don't wanna get hurt and then i don't want to drop this twenty five thousand dollar fucking bike and make that phone call right but i. I don't see any reason you couldn't do. You know it's got you put it in off mode. So it's got four modes right. Urban and off road are kind of lumped. Together and then touring and sport are lumped together urban and offer at drops it to one hundred fifteen horsepower. So and it has gears like first years kinda short so like you could use. I gear for like without having to read the shit out of it if you were going slowly off road right and then six gears pretty tall. So you're not spinning like a zillion rpm on the highway. And then the gears in the middle are good for like sport riding. You know it's pretty. It's really well thought out to do a lot of different things. Yeah and that's multi. Strada means many roads in italian. So so there. You go many places. Yeah you've got sort of a de tuned superbike engine. You know a chassis. That's really versatile and a lot of tech and all that out in the video i tried. I don't know if i do. But i try. But like the adaptive suspension is fucking cool really and the different drive modes like. I don't even really like sports that much. Because if you're not you know it's like it's like a like a like a race car race car if you're not on the gas or on the break it's not happy it doesn't like being feathered you know this thing in sport same kind of deal see. Put it in tour. He still get full power but it dumbs your throttle a little bit. So it's not that go go you know. Yeah just throttle. I mean if it's going to be electronic anyway electronic activated why not have it a little bit just because there are times where if the road remember. We drove a jaguar. Eight years ago but on putting sport your foot would literally bounce and it would literally hit the throttle on torque. It was like you're going. You know a mile an hour faster slower faster slower and like it's just too much needed to be a little more sensitive couple years ago we were at like peak balancing stiff car. Yeah i think they've they've the the tires and the shocks of kind of caught up to some of that and but yeah the types and some of the am gs from like twenty five fourteen fifteen. We're like peak stiff bouncy and they've gotten away from some of that people bitch enough. Yeah which is great. But they were they were trying to make things feel as sporty as possible right on the test drive right on the test drive on real aggressive race firm firm suspension. But then you. You're like actually some travel would be good. Yeah and unless the road isn't glass smooth. If it's too firm you bounce literally off the road slightly lose traction. Oh the other thing about this bike before we get off this by You know it has. It has quick shift so clutch. 'less up and down shifting. I've seen clutch less up shifting a million times but Clutch less downshifting is pretty amazing. I mean it really. It does the proper rev matching whether you're going fast or slow it down shift. No clutch leaned over mid corner with zero on the inertia of the motorcycle. Is it a dual clutch metal. Thanks okay that's the thing that's amazing that's like remember when the gtri when it came out we realized you could downshift made. It was like it doesn't matter and that was a game changer. More and more transmissions allow cars to do that. Yeah jeeze on a bike on a bike. I actually when. I gave it back. And i started to ride the beginning i was like i hope i'm not fucked. I hope i remember to use the fuck clutch properly and shit. You know what. I mean you could get real spoiled with that and it. Doesn't you know. Motorcycles are such a sensory experience in other ways And you can turn that off by the way you can turn the rev the quick shifting off on that or you can use the clutch if you want You if you re you know if you do a rev match like it'll do it but man if you're riding a lotta miles. I'll tell you what there's an enormous difference in how my left forearm feels from think mean thousands of clutch crabs. I didn't have to do. Yeah i mean it's it's it was a big difference if you're doing a lot of miles. Yes much much easier. Especially if you're doing miles like in traffic commuting miles big difference really big. You only use the clutch coming to stop other than that. You don't fucking touch it. Wow rate so if you're in like ten miles an hour traffic going slow. Yeah do you need to bring it in to you know in federal. I mean if you're literally going stop. I neutral yay up and cruising down way down to i. You can shift at a quarter throttle up as you. Don't lift off the throttle. You hold the throttle steady thing and just ding ding ding. Apm any throttled. Doesn't matter i remember my. You could shift without the clutch if you time to perfect. Lift a little bit and then shift. So that's most motorcycle control. The does it actually makes it perfect. Wow yeah the spikes got a lot of brain power. They're going to start. That's right which is really nice because if your if your keys buried under like in your jacket and then you have your gloves on and stuff you know. That is generally really hard to get out. I didn't mind the cutest started. Actually okay worry that it was going to be a thing. How close did did you have to put the key lake near nothing in your pocket. Anywhere in your pocket is fine. Yes worked. If you were standing i try to. You could be standing four or five feet from the bike and it would work. Wow yeah ooh the question is would it let you ride away like i didn't trial would it. Would it stop ten feet away and go. Hey the keys not here. I didn't try. The one thing that bugged me out was it took a while to power down like when you turn it off like it does like Spinning wheel thing on the screen. Twenty thirty seconds. I mean the engine shuts off. But the first time i was gonna fucking shut off. What's the deal does. It's like the ipad and it runs fans. I mean after you've turned off runs fans the six did that shit we turn it off the kept playing we got out. We opened a door. We closed the front door. We'll all there's no rhyme or reason to how you how you turn them off it. It freaks me out to one long. The fuck knows no but to hear a bike. Run the fans after you. Shut it off his weird. That's a new one. You think they're going put. Cbt's bikes they have cbt's by your yeah. Yeah it's a centrifugal clutch. That's a cvt. Oh that's true. Yeah tim's motorcycle has has a a dc. You see tim's motorcycle honda's something something that's got. The engine is a two cylinder parallel. Twin. that's literally half of a fifth motor. It's two cylinders of a fifth motor and it has this little dual clutch and you can write it in automatic and it goes through gears and has a regular motor sport mode or it has a thumb toggle plus minus and you can shift it on the thumb. Well yeah he. He seems to like it for traffic. Yeah it's weird though it's really strange. Sounds like a sewing machine. Yeah that's an easier writing experience for sure. It's halfway between a scooter and motorcycle. And is there a clutch. I don't think there's a clutch. I don't think it has a clutch pedal just pulls away. I think he just pulls away. Yeah i check. Next time. He comes over at. The clutch pedal a hybrid. It's really it's it's one of these in betweens weird What else do we drive. Anything else it's been a fucking slow week. I didn't i was supposed to drive. The ferrari. eight twelve. Gts this past week but it got to this coming week. So i had a hole in the press car distribution pipeline and Unfortunately really means we didn't get to really driving this week. I went to this thing. And i rode layer. Chan rid life thing. Yeah what was that about So good life official. They did something they call it. Skip day so it's immuno mill. The week he was on thursday and they held an event at willow springs where they rented a big willow and horse thief and the balcony. So on big will they were doing like the yeah nice so if you were just running you know say recaps on big willow and then at horse the it was like open drifting and ride alongs with chris forsberg was there matfield. Alex jager and Mike esa like a lot of big. Fd guys that live out here were. They're testing their cars and just playing around In in normal cars could drift on there too and then on the balcony. They had like an open practice session but was also cool. Is they had naoki out there. Oh yeah giving. People like forty minutes of free drift lesson. That's amazing try to get new people into the sport because you don't really know. Kobayashi runs drift one. One which is a a really well known Small but very effective drifting school runs out of willow springs. Both zack and i have done it. And he's fucking well. I don't know what that is. Is that of the. Don't go to the google maps. Lincoln van nuys code adrift one o. One dot com. He rules yeah. That was super cool and he left me and my girlfriend who we vote on the school but he let us do like some driving. For instance quiet for a little bit and it was really great. Fun just s. fourteen. Oh just normal stuff just doing handbrake slides sarah training some of it. She was rusty for sure like she. She had the donut down but she was. Just you know the cone was here and she was here and you know he was looking at me. And he's like if i could just throw the cone and the end of the day or the end of the session. She was able to. Just you know she's doing here. Just move over there mid slide and then you know connected over there and start spending again. The transition in the figure. Eight is hard yeah. That's that's the tough for. Yes and practice. Yeah i the handbrake thing. I've done so little of it That whole like coming in third or second and just clutch handbrake did you. Are you going fast enough. You pull it henrik hard enough it in and then you know dump the clutch back like back on the gas that whole a little harmony is still challenging for me. Have i up handbrake very quickly. I don't know why. I have a natural feel for handbrake. I maybe it's from the rallies schools or something like that never was a problem with me with me with me. It's always figuring out when i get into a new car. The the loaded transition from one side to the other that's always tough but drifting fucking heart. It's hard very hard. And then so larry was very nice. You know hanging out. And i was hoping to get a ride in a car. Just i just went there to hang out on the way to To santa cruz and he had his supra which is like his chase car. So he's got his supra his Eight hundred supra puts cameras on the front. He's got a tune coil overs and that's it was wheels on it. Look 'em three wheels. Yeah it looks pretty good. Yeah it looks really good So he was chasing all these all these guys and he's like. Hey man you wanna do you wanna ride like oh that'd be great. You know what a great point and again the car and he hands me the trigger to the camera. And he's like okay. I need you to be cameraman. Also so because he's driving quickly and You know he said okay. When i say shoot shoot and then when i say like liftoff. Because they're they're transitioning across frame. You can't see anything we do that. It was super fun. Like just write. Just i mean he is so fucking close at times to some of these three feet. I think when. I do that with him at the first grid life when i had the bmw to or whatever three yeah and he was fucking and i was driving into people and he was doing the thing with the shooting right. But i think that was the first time he did. That may be a now. He's like got a fucking rig for it so he's got video running one camera. That is awesome. He's got dual. Sla on the front presumably got tight and a wide runs video and one is still going and the other one's just rolling video But i was very impressed with larry's driving and how were shot adrift taxi there. I mean the shots he gets like. That are amazed man. Did you get to go on that drift taxi thing. I did not They they had a a line of people that were kind of waiting. And i was like you. Don't wanna push it and like you know we arrange our own. This thing is forsberg cool. Arrange our own. Just go out there when they're doing testing or something. I mean they're going to be doing more media days with this thing but for people listening. It's it's an ultima sort of is a tube to tanner's passat is a passat exactly. Yeah yeah and it looks rad The profile looks amazing. It's super low. Looks really long. The nose looks angry when the ultimate knows. Looks good when you chop it up and make into what you want. But this thing is like fifteen hundred horsepower yards in the shop bills. Them i guess can build like two to three thousand horsepower guitarist. I didn't get the name of it from from larry but You can just hear how fast the spills up. Because i'm sure it has like nitrous anti-gay all your stuff. Just initiating turns its back. It's just boom full throttle and just spinning smoking. It throws so much smoke. It looks like she thompsons on the back or something. It's got like enormous rear tyres. Four seats the the you know. All the panels insider just like flat aluminum. They're welded to tubes done. Really nicely in the color of the cage in the floor match the wheels which is read like all ties together. They did a really really good job but they were just a slam this thing all day and they were doing like three deep with this car. Leading alex jager who is He he owns the purple to forty that ryan semantic drove in his haggerty show and he did some other videos with him so he now got moved up and he was driving forsberg's pro two-car like his democrat so he's joining brooks team which is very cool He came out of the rally school. And so i don't mean all these guys running three or four deep. Larry is driving as fast as he can. And like barely keeping up on the straightaway. Of course still. It's like a gentle curve and not really a curve so like matt fields out there and you know twelve hours power. Corvette drifting that turn larry's full-throttle modified supra and like field is gasping him. That's how fast the eight hundred horsepower nine and they are. You know even though the cars throwing smoke like it's faster while sideways than super straight line. It's not surprising it was it was really cool. Man i like. That's just like you had a casual atmosphere. You kind of go wherever you wanted and just watch different people. A lot of cars out there The track day of big will had a lot of cars. They a lot of sessions that drifting was there only like ten cars. Maybe maybe twelve like pros and then a few normal people who are good I don't know they didn't promote the event that much before it. They really didn't. I don't know if they're trying to keep it quiet or what but Valvoline gave me passes to it. But it was really lightly attended compared to previous guerrilla hardcore. Like you know you don't want to be the people what they want. Is the the videos should afterwards. You know it's hard you don't want it's hard right now. You don't wanna be like having events during covert right. I think so. They smaller asking me to have like. Why don't you organized cars and coffee. i'm like i don't wanna be that guy right and kidding me no you don't. I'll go to somebody's cars and coffee. Like i'm not going to be the guy who's like come on down fuck that. If you're going to drive you would go to this event war masks and stuff and then you kind of walk around and and you know. Meet the pros and writing cars and stuff like that. But it wasn't a hey spectators common. Watch yeah yeah. It was like one of the great generals life you know they do their big festivals and the and they've got their kind of regional sort of time attack quad slash drift qualifier things. Do they do that. Speed ring thing they were doing. Was this green speed ring. it's basically a I guess it's best described as Rally cross but with time attack cars on a racetrack. It's they run a time attack qualifier and then they have Sort of head to head battles like short like three lap races to head and it's like bracket elimination style. Okay it's sort of fun like short-form time attack racing where it's not like it's like wheel-to-wheel but only two cars at a time so it's like a little safer i don't i don't think they ran at the big track but i didn't. I honestly didn't hang out down there at all. I just wanted to the drift. Well also willow springs. If you've got all three tracks going four four four facilities going that people are gonna be very spread out. Yeah you have a lot of people. There wouldn't really feel like that with grid. Life wrote atlanta You know they had like eight thousand people there. Nine thousand people there but wrote atlanta's enormous and at ginger men. They made everybody camp in one. Big fucking field so it's like a full tent city. There road atlanta people camped wherever so it was all spread out and i guess maybe if you're camping that's nicer but it definitely dilutes the you know. This is a huge party vibe right and it was not a knock against the organizers or anything like they did amazing job and of course you have a the dichotomy between. Here's an opportunity to drive on. The is legendary huge track. The people who want to drive their cars are like yes wrote atlanta you know or whatever other huge track in the people who wanna spectate and just party who would prefer a smaller track. Maybe that had better visibility or more more dense Feeling violating the density improves the experience. It feels like more of a community when you have to camp noor so when you talk to somebody if you're spread out you can kinda like keep your bubble and then go look at the event and over here and it yeah gingered. Management's create the the connect that one road that connects the paddock to the camp ground. Where the vendors lineup along. I mean that creates a vibe. It's almost like how john taffer talks about rebuilding a bar with with the engineering of of like our nominee. Make these two people who need to pass you know touch each other and that's gonna create an energy or something like that you know. It's actually yeah. Works like they design amusement parks so that people have to go from here to pass these food. Ges ride yeah so it it when you have too big of a track. That doesn't that. That breaks down. And i can imagine willow springs feeling very spread out if you three tracks going at once. Yeah but it was fun to go. Just participate in hang out. Yeah and A man that that car plus picture up. That's when the car's not moving is when you can really see. I mean not that larry's shots are amazing. They are but seeing it static. You really go actually kind of big big fucking car. Long and super-low engines pushed way back in the chassis. You can see it up there compared to the wheels which there's no fender wells so nice big radiator up front Yeah great looking car. Yeah there should definitely be a battle between tanner's passat in that battle of the front wheel drive formerly from really front wheel drive. Yeah it's super cool. Amazing i'll tell you what those are as good. I mean god. Bless larry chen. Those are as good of a photo as possible to get at willow springs. I mean he wanna talk about place. It's terrible for photography That's that's the worst place to take a picture of southern california that the clouds help you to make it. Work is a nice soft box everywhere. Cloudy sunset. That's a good sunset for sure. Rear wheel arches altima bananas. This car is crazy it looks. It looks like a limousine. It's so because it's so low and kind of stretched out and and sits really low and the roof. I think the angle the windshield more so like they chop the roof and dropped down. It's bad ass yeah. I don't think there's really. I mean it's like tail lights. You know. Headlights and tail lights are all. That's left at that point. Yeah yeah maybe door handles. Maybe fucking now be i mean. Imagine getting production-based ultima a you know. Imagine if it was like the fucking if we were in france and it was the fucking cocaine eighties. They build you a rare two thousand horsepower. All too that's true you know read. I was like yes. Okay because we need homologated for some racing series that immediately be shutdown exactly. Let's do We got a half hour or so questions. So if you wanna get in get in it i have a. I have a hard out. I'm sorry to say. Actually i don't know why said that i. My heart out is when my tires are done. And i don't know when my tires are going to be done but probably like twelve so anyway That was a funny question right there. So we'll get to that Let's see doctor. Dr simon was that oh Have i ever driven. What do you think of the volkswagen. Oh wait hang on i'm not going to pick that up Have you ever driven. Or what do we think of the volkswagen up. Gti as a city car never driven sat in touched. I've seen one The internet yeah. I've seen them when i was in europe. It's it's even smaller than the polo right. The polo the gulf and the up is smaller than the polo. Yeah i don't know dude. They certainly are emphatic. About being up because the name of it isn't up it's a exclamation mission Let's go back to that. The things Shingo says Z. cars are increasing in value. i don't i don't know what is the z thirty two for two hundred ninety five k and z definitely z. Cars And i have two hundred cr. I don't even know what a two hundred is. I've never even heard of that. A nissan two hundred z. Are you ever heard of that. Oh that's okay. A two hundred cr is the the the squared off three hundred z x. What else it. But it's a japanese one. It's not easy access as er. It's three hundred. It's a two hundred presumably van. It's also right-hand-drive okay. Foolish to keep or foolish to sell. I mean it depends on what's your the. Does he live here and he imported it or right because if it was right hand drive to two hundred. We didn't get to hear the the extraordinary sales that three hundred thousand dollars. You're talking about extreme originality. Extr have all the things checked Does your car have that. You know it's not a general trends and then there's like your car like is your car. A collector great vehicle. Not a driver grade not like a weekend like i mean like collector. Great if it's not the cost to own keeping dr almost any car will outpace appreciation so if your car is a museum piece. We consider that yasser says it's his dream car so right if it's your dream car and you can't sell it for an amount of money that will change your life or make a new dream possible right then you might regret it. You know so not a perfect investment You have to make sure it's worth keeping because you love it. Which apparently you do. So then i think selling it would be foolish. If it doesn't change your life yeah for for sure if it's already your dream car and you already own it. It should take a it should take more than just a short term increased market value to get it away from you know what i mean. Yeah if because it wouldn't be your dream car. Then it would just be a short term investment which is fine but dream cars should be you know dream cars. Yeah daniel berman is going to art center. This fall nice. Congratulations lucky enough. To buy myself a fun car. What are some good roads in events to get involved The car scene. So happy everything in everywhere i mean arts centers pasadena pasadena is at the base of the angeles national forest. The angeles national forest consists of about seven or eight roads. Very easy to find on. Google maps there. The squiggly ones that go over the mountains. And they're right there from pasadena like you just go north on the two and the or you're there you're already there so you've got mountains to the north mountains to the west events. There's there's a cars in coffee like every weekend. They stopped for some cove shit but like they're all coming back now. There's like the there's like you know you can go to orange county moulana. last sunday. the month is paradise cove. You want to be a little snooty first sunday of the month. there's just the scene is just endless. Go go to malibu wanna sunday and just fucking drive around mean. Just go to malibu on a sunday and drive around and you could follow groups of cars like a fish and then when they stopped because they will you could literally get out and just go. Hey i just moved here yup and just talk to people. Yeah j. ryan's newcomb's ranch gathering friday mornings newcomb's ranch in the the canyons. I mean that that's pretty good. I was too fast in driving. The canes and hurt anybody don't cross californian start crossing double yellow. Yeah you know what. I mean But yeah you mean getting involved in the car scene. You're going to be in it. You're just going to be there and you're going to be at arts center. Like arts center is like car. People thinks yet like they have an event every october. Yes and very interesting and very famous car. People go to it. What's it called. It's got fucking name art center classic. It's classic yeah Matthew hamilton wants to get a nine nine six career. Four currently has an au four subaru. Sti what are the difference between in driving experience in the two cars. Oh inverse they are absolutely inverse. The subaru's engine is hanging out in front tag incredibly pushy and It's inertia is going forward. You have to do massive lifts and or hand breaks to get these cars to to rotate on loose surface Whereas career for you know you're gonna have the engine hang the back you have. That pendulum effect Working for you it will litter. It's literally you've got an sti dude. Here's what you do fucking mob that bitch and reverse. That's what it's like. We are and just drop the hammer. Yeah see four has Engine transmission shafts. From back. To front opposite its inverse. Yeah it really is. When i started driving nine elevens on lou surface. It was a lot like i was like. Oh the other way. yeah it is. It's it's the exact opposite. You're also not gonna have turbo lag to deal with because you're gonna have any motor correct is going to be you're gonna. You're not gonna get that shove but you will feel that throttle response even if it's not pushing you that much faster like throttled. Yeah but the the the career for will rotate it will rotate where the subaru doesn't really rotate. But you have to get the rotation like if you're on dirt give to get the rotation going quite good before you get on the gas otherwise the front will pull itself back over. Yeah in the four wheel drive cars. Yeah right yeah so you have to lift off oversteer but then old hold yep That'll be that's an interesting. I think if you're into sti career for nine. Elevens are an interesting Change of feeling. Yeah mr liam. F says. I'm looking for a family. Daily driver for fifteen thousand dollars. I live in new england. Choose your subaru sir. The subaru outback shoes your outback. Yeah pick your out. The nicest newest best optioned out back. You can afford straight up or like a us sierra stor. That's that's where you're live right now. A fifteen k. Goes decent enforced orland. It goes a lot in family carlin. Yeah yeah there's a lot of cars available. Thanks to fucking hurts. As bankruptcy gets wasn't sort of new england so won't be arrested. Yeah it's find find florida or not florida. Let's cove mobile. Can it get zone or mont. Your zone is a good place to get cars. Yeah yeah oh hi. Toni my customer. Tony from west side wants to know how tints came out on his car yesterday. Did he donate to ask. You can text me brother. Your tints came out for you. Sit tony's other cars very cool. He's got he's got one of the lowest milo five and a sexist. You'll see around. It's a said one it's here. Yeah it's great i. I know that's violation of customer privacy. But i don't tony's donating to the show to talk about his cars. I don't think he's concern that people know he has sick and a sexy does Chappie says Talking about modified p cars has chris harris followed through and gotten me a singer. Dr no you've still never never driven one officially no. Let's let's come on chris. Let's go. Don't don't bother chris about this. I'm sure he's got things to do Oh boy am six seven. V wants a reliable sporty compact luxury sedan for twelve thousand or less infinity g. Thirty seven or twenty eleven and up volvo sixty six. Here's your real differences between those cars from a dynamic perspective and infinity is a real drive car feels it drives it. Is it volvo. Even an all wheel drive volvo. Especially t six t six is a in in a twenty eleven is a transverse six cylinder engine transverse in line six. It's a fucking. It's like a mere inch up there. Yeah it's enormously wide. And very heavy and volvos really feel like front wheel drive cars really do even the all wheel drive. One's really feel like front wheel drive cars. I don't love how volvos drive. i like being in volvos a lot. The seats the fuck interiors are great. They're very comfortable. You know as a long distance. Gt car commuter. I think they're really good. But if this person wants a sporty car that word is pretty much out the door compared to the two. I mean there's the aftermarket support for the g. Car is a lot of it like you can get all kinds of stuff. Form the sedans in some years. We're actually lighter than the coupes strange really coupe. They had to add extra metal to the b pillar because the actually one hundred two hundred pounds heavier than the sedan. Three fifty z sedan g. Thirty sevens are all right. I'm really are and mean if if you wanted to go if you didn't mind front wheel drive like and you wanted to go. Maybe like a little older like the oh five to seven. Acura t. l. type s is actually pretty awesome. Yeah yeah it is good looking very comfortable great seats and is by front wheel drive standards like really nice to dry. I'd rather have that than the volvo. Two yeah hannah's fucking. This machi got bumped a month supposed to get into march is now in april and by the way. If you're waiting on a bronco. Good luck because i spoke with four people and even the press vehicles are delay months out so good luck so but but has got no car. She's trapped and so we're trying to figure out like maybe we don't get the machi 'cause we just need a fucking car like what we do and There's not a lot out there to buy right now. She's kind of like a. Maybe i'll just get another volvo. I had. She's not that into the defender brought that up. Just like the five no She does she called it. Slow to slack here it. Yeah so. I don't know another. We need to have this discussion now. And you guys. Don't all need to email me suggestions and has very specific taste. She likes boxy cars but she looks boxy cars. But no g wagons or ramblers o. So that's newish newish daily driver boxy car. That isn't a g wagon or wrangler. Good luck only make a ton of tahoe. That's a tough one. Yeah it's enormous for five foot. Two girls silly. I even brought up to talk. And she's like i don't like to. Suv's she has a point because they are stylish but very impractical. Yes agree but you know. She's into the marquis. Just like it's gonna take a month fucking get one and you know. She's stuck with a car from her to five dollars a week. Because you know how much it costs to do something like that. Because i looked you want them rental car for a month. Two thousand bucks. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah jeeze even if it's like a fairly shitty one thousand bucks for a lawn tra because it comes with insurance that's that's really why because it comes other bullshit involved it's unlimited miles and boa but there's not a lot of the there's very few solutions for two to cover a gap of a period of weeks. You know if it was six months ago to swap police or something like that but for four weeks cigarette to rent a car short to buy a car. It's a it's a shitty in between fucking time in the meantime. My poor wife has stuck without a car and she doesn't like the defender kind of boxing. She kinda boxy but the four door. One was too big. The two door one is too small and she said it looks like someone drew a cartoon version of the original defender. Yeah i agree attached. Yeah yeah we're gonna talk to you. She likes the bronco. But that's months. That's not happening so you know i don't know i don't know i don't have Hamas wants to know. When does it become not worth it to spend more money on modifying a car. Like why did he decide. Not to continue. Building your mustang. I talked about this a lot. Tuning out of class It's fun to try to build a car. You know to to david and goliath thing to say. I wanna build this to use your example mustang. That will do this or this or that as well as ex more expensive car. That's a fun pastime to try and pursue. If that's what you're into if all that matters is speed and and maybe having some sense of Showing off a sense of creativity But from a performance and usability and driving dynamic. I i like to talk about tuning out of class. Which is where you can only really change so much about the car before you really start to make it worse and you would have been better off to spending that money on a better or a different platform To begin with like if like the with my mustang. The i had spent quite a lot of money to get it to where it needed to be and in it and i said okay now i want to get the chassis great and then we'll add power accordingly. So i got the chassis great. And then i did the math of how much it would actually cost to add the amount of power that would really want and the answer was like. I don't know like twenty five thousand dollars maybe more and so it was like whoa okay. If i have this much into this car i could probably sell it for this much. You know that. Twenty five thousand dollars. Maybe if you have if you don't have it well it's an easy decision but if you do have it could roll all of that into something. That's new or different. Or whatever. And and i at a certain point you know you can get a car and then tweak it a bit you do a tune do. Some wheels may be modified suspension. A little bit but at a certain point it's just real crazy and you make it worse and you probably would have been better off just buying another car and You're you're you're sacrificing a lot of the usability that these manufacturers put into the car in order to make do something. It wasn't really meant to do. That's that's what. I mean by tuning out of class was robert at the door. He's right there okay. Well hang on He kite sushi snipe. described the moment when aunt left. Then it was just you and me and jensen you and motherfucking jenson button. When did leave and it was went to the bathroom. Oh i didn't. I didn't we. Were in the middle of a radio show. I didn't i didn't have a thought like the buffers gone. It was here just like slightly quieter. But we're just talking. It's just a super chill. He was great. Yeah yeah he was cool. I thought he was a lovely gentleman was very extremely polite and shell and once it became clear on no roberts back did he give thumbs up. Thumbs up yes victory. Yes for it. Being exactly where i thought it was. It looked in the tool kit in the front which is a fair place to look the box. Thank god you know how many things i had to do today. That are dependent on those tires being on that car. Got like a fucking chain reaction of events afterwards that i need a car for just having to drill drill that bolt i just fucking told hub around with four four. Both jensen was great. As two people to car people in influencers. How much of your wardrobe is merch. Well my brain watch. I'm an ambassador for bromont I'm wearing my wearing my own hat now wearing. I'm wearing a hat for business that i own. So you wearing. Joey's shirt there's a difference between merch and swag okay. Like eighty eighty to eighty five percent of my t shirts. Were given to me by fucking people you know like by people whose cars i drive or whatever and if you want me to wear your t shirt it just really has to fitness if it's made it a good soft stuff and if it's nice i don't almost don't even care what it says on it. I wear shirts for like. Yeah the material things. I don't remotely support Square t shirt. I got a lot of lot of swag lot. See shirts really But we don't have that much merchant sponsored. Yeah we are. I wear my entire t-shirts occasionally Bordeaux fab says i've got a twenty sixteen s. t. three s. t. three what's an t. Three s teeth real business focus s. T. i don't know. S t three Got to put a clutch in it. Is it worth doing. Carbon sink rose while trans is out. I don't even know what that is I think you're changing the sink. Rose between the gears from whatever noble metal. They're made into carbon. I have no idea. I don't know I don't really carbon secret dude. If you let's just go back to the previous question on tuning out of class if you're talking about a fucking focus and you've you're you're at a point where you need. Carbon sink rose in your gearbox. You probably tuned class or it's a question you should be able to answer because like your mechanical knowledge of that is far beyond hours. I'm not really sure i don't know that. I don't even know the benefits of carbon sink. Rose i stronger. i mean. i don't know if they're later. They're more durable or what that is. We don't know i'm sorry. If you're driving on michigan make sure that this is comfortable and you have sidewall. Yeah so it's Ben franklin fifteen. Do we find difference between nine nine hundred turbo s versus regular turbo in terms of performance on the road Very tough question to answer for a couple of reasons one. I drove the turbo s in april of twenty twenty and we drove the regular turbo in like february of twenty twenty. One i mean i. It was like listen. That's my ferrari donnie. Pull up the The It it's so hard to tell subtle differences like that when you're talking about ten eleven months difference Also one was a convertible. That's the difference. There's a difference in weight the the It's it's really hard to tell the difference in those two things. Honestly if you didn't have a stop watch how would you even know. Yeah i mean they both just fucking eat road eat wrote. Yeah dear sixties nuts. I mean even the convertible felt really agile. Attorney was quick. All that stuff is amazing. Yeah i mean. Standard advice from our end applies. You're going to spend a certain amount of money. I'd rather have a turbo s with fewer extraneous colorful options than a regular turbo with a bunch of fun colors. Slapped all over it. That's my opinion but in less you were driving them back to back at their absolute limit. I don't know how you could tell on the street. You can't yeah and on the street. There's not even that you know on on unless you can go over one hundred miles an hour just not even that much difference between a career. S anna turbo. Those differences are tenths of a second. You know until you get two hundred hundred miles an hour or so and then in the differences start to become a little more apparent but like a career s.'s. Like fast as fuck. yeah so the answer is it's it's tough it'd be it'd be tough to tell the difference unless you drove them back to back Immediately back to back at the limit. Yeah dallas wants to know that update on the sultans. Brothers yacht the tits. Here are We were talking about The The sultan of brunei's brother. Whose name is jeffrey. Has a yacht named tits and the tenders names are nipple one and nipple to. Wow and it's real a. I don't have an update we we didn't talk about it I know this is going to be really hard to believe. But usually once the show ends the conversations move on put. Yes he's got a yacht named tits and there it is all right people Teach their own. I don the name of this person. Sorry but they're considering a set of toyota. Tr ones for fast road use Do i have experience with them. I do not driven on a toyota. Tr one. i don't think so. Not that i can remember. Sometimes you know people show up at the car and you just drive the car. I i believe. I have you know Fan cars two years ago. So i don't know the last toyo. I drove an hour. Triple eight i tell you about anything. Besides our triple eight triple eight has a lotta grip but is really loud right. Yeah so the entire them shits on all the skylines really. Yeah because he likes to fucking put the power down but he doesn't care if they're allowed. It's your choice daquan. O-on ideas for a ten. Sorry not ideas for a second car. Hopefully some track days driving stuff. Well sixty thousand dollar budget. Second car replacing genesis coupe. Sixty thousand bucks Yeah older gtri or cayman s. I think gtri's have high running costs Because of just the pardon me out of their heavy to go through tires and the tires and brakes are higher for sure. Yeah is that. Donnie sure is danni. I heard you pulling in your. That's going on bro. Sit down. Grab a mike fucking zach will activate your microphone. Throw on a set of cans. What's happening. How was your drive in my car. Say something so we can hear you. Hello there you go. How's the drive into the mike doing radio. You can bring it to you. You don't have to to nice. Yeah so drive down from lancaster. Area mojave mojave area. Oh my god. Okay so i brought the car back. We're not gonna have time to do a whole video. So donnie just gonna dive bomb into the podcast. Brought it back for service number. Two couple items came. My gauges were being wonky and The fuel vapors smell when i filled the tank. And then you found some other things. So what did you spend a lot of doing so last time you were questioning the validity of the work. That was done so. I checked it out. The belts were cooked. they were dealt with. Just there was not two hundred miles. Yes so i had a receipt from february twenty twenty showed a forty five thousand mile major service and a bunch of other shit with that have included belts. Absolutely yeah so. I looked at. I think their belts were on there so they were. They were not done so so now. It has new belts so i got in there. I got rid of the All the things in the way. The and i pulled you're on the air conditioning out. Yeah really isn't even working. Oh you want you to take it out. It goes you know it's not been hooked up since you bought the car and i go. Oh well In that case how have you tried to use it. I haven't i. Don't i don't even know how to use it and good because the car has normal windows in a target roof. I don't give a shit. It's lambeau if you don't have. Ac you die. Yeah it's bad so but you okay so you did belts so i did belts going in there governor the Since i'm so deep and the car sold our replace your front main seal. As i was taking that out it disintegrated okay cool and it was really wet there so i cleaned everything all. Yeah all the years cleaned up I'll do an instagram post. We're going to not have time to do a video but right shall donny's sends lots pictures. Yeah and you don't mind right. No because i thought maybe i would use them for a video. And i'm sure i still i find it interesting because every time i do something like this with my cars with people we care i do it and it's like i always ask instead of blowing up your phone with all these stupid pitchers it's like. Do you mind if i do real time. I enjoyed that part anyways. Pulled your alternator. It was you saw pitchers. It was pretty toasty. Yeah you you've had it rebuilt for a little more juice. Does that make my brighter and shit to it. Catches up power So you have available readily available amperage and it fills up your battery quicker. And i'll have be able to run good stereo. Yeah but So i got in there. I did that. The water pump was when i turned it. You could feel like grunt not grinding but like resisting. the but not normal fluid resistance like grumbly saiga. I'm pulling this too and so you keep those around. Oh yeah cool. But i keep real ones around was obviously that means. There's a real ferrari one with a beautiful brass and pillared That's really nice. And then there's these other ones that are cast iron there should be no cast iron in the system. It's just the way it's ever been because of how cast interacts with coolant with water. Yeah water right. Yeah rust it's hokey. it's ugly. It's not that beautiful work of art ferrari made so that goes right in the trash. Because you can't really rebuild them. Yeah we have the real one. Yes i put the real one in And this car. Fresh bell offers everything but the drive. Back I was starting to get like flashbacks of when i was twenty one driving these cars around hollywood in la. This is the most amazing car. I will never get tired of these things. The power the the the sound the deceleration going down a hill at the four. Oh five coming into l. a. above sunset. It's just glorious. That just that burr so excited to drive it. I'm literally gonna drive to palm springs tomorrow. I'm doing on me. I'm going on the The launch for the moto guzzi v seven. The new one cory burns deal. And so it's at the ace hotel in palm springs. Been there so it's nice place. That's all right. Yeah so the wife. And i are going a little early to have a pool day. Nicely harry nice. We haven't had a pool day in a minute but Yeah it's a good ferrari. Activity put lots of miles on it. Oh yes can be awesome do it. What else did i do. i always forget. oh yes. i pulled your gauges Is that as hard as it. Seems like a nightmare to pull gauges of any car. No ferraris very simple everything. I guess i've been around it for a while but everything is very very straightforward very simple when it comes to ferrari repairs especially from the aid right especially from. Yeah in and it's take off put on works. that's great. I mean i and even like even though we've obviously found like you found a lot of items that were in like disrepair. Oh yeah. I was still driving the thing the whole time. Oh they will hardly ever even the cars from the fifties or the sixties. They rarely will ever leave you at the side of the road. Just great they just they will always start will always run. That's great another. They're fantastic on every level. So i have some proposed repairs for phase three. Okay what are you. This was to second trip. This is the second one okay. Yeah what's phase three so phase three is. I don't like the way at handle still well. We were talking about shocks and bush right. I want to go through and do the shock replace. What bushings are necessary which may be all maybe. Yeah the It's to darty. It's not where i like it. You just hit in alignment but they were one thirty second. I like to put them just truck straight because then it just roll. Sorry well i'm gonna drive it this time and we can adjust it. Yeah i mean it doesn't cost anything but yeah if you really love it the way it is i you know we'll take it. I'll take a winding road when i'm out there. It's incredible. yeah no. I can't wait. I've been. I've really been enjoying the car even even in its you know. So far imperfect state. It's still fucking sweet. Still great fun. Yeah and it's getting better all the time after that change. It feels fucking. Should it feels. I don't know it's all different. Engine swayed all right. Let's get back. We got a few questions left in the show. And then we're going to wrap this show up so we can go check out the car downstairs. You can feel free to weigh in any of this ship by to finish up on this dudes questions. Sixty thousand dollars second car for some weekends and track days. Don't overlook corvettes see so that's sixty k. Goes a long way in corvette for sure and caimans. Gr's have high running costs. But if that's what you want dudes sixty k. Gets you into skyline thirty two or three excuse gets you a nice arthur. Courageous see that can be fun. Not gonna be really fun paulie. Pv best breakfast tacos in la. You've got a recommendation zach think I really think malou kitchen. I think bill's place that's my favorite style. They have a good. We also say in santa monica Holy guacamole that one's pretty amazing and blues louise burrito all little different. I like the different styles puts like a cooked onions in there and they they put in there to the top spot. They're really really good on the west side about blue. He's kitchen on the east side. There's a place called cilantro in north. Hollywood it's inside a chevron station. Oh yeah don't fuck and sleep on that place. Yeah yeah you. Marco wouldn't like me to say that but half the reason. I take my car to him. So i can get a burrito and that no no that is why. Drop off the card seven. Am so again a breakfast. Burrito went on a proper talk that just happened to have rented space in chevron instead of like a subway sandwich. Place being there. You've got a grill top and everything and it's very good chevron station yes chevron station. It's awesome like lunchtime. You see the chevron stations overrun with people trying to get tacos. Oh yeah that's great. Yeah rules working gestation or yeah oh modern gestation golden shanty. It's like brand new. Oh what a trip like instead of like you said instead of a subway instead of like a del taco. Yeah it's like an actual great tacos Stay ex golden state thoughts on the cnc debacle. I don't have a lot of comment. Because i don't have a lot of information. Follow this guy on instagram. Baller busters which is hilarious account to follow. It's like fake fake ballers like fake people wear fake watches more people who do fake lifestyle shuttle be somebody. They're not sure. and he's a great follow. Baller busters on instagram. When he's in c- to buckle so apparently the cnc places like a tuner shop or whole thing and they've been ripping people off for allegedly ripping people off right if they sold some guy's car but didn't pay him and then sold it again. I read it was from peter to pay paul kind of allegedly. I don. I don't have a lot of information. I did see a post that their entire facility was for sale. Yeah like their whole funk in a giant shop investigated by the dmv because that's his jurisdiction it fell under have more. I don't have a lot of information but it seems bad for everybody. It's good but yeah. I know i don't have any inside. Information officer shows up to your house with the badge and a gun. You're probably back up. yeah track ours. Says i'm looking to buy my first supercar. An amg gt are a porsche gt. Three r s. Or should. I go full seven twenty. I currently daily wrapped heard have an eight hundred horsepower. Bmw three thirty five as a fun. Car well she's they brought up three cars that feel very different amg g. tr is is a very unique experience. Because it's it's front mid engine so turns in like a mid engine car but you're sitting on the rear axle so there's a very sharp turning happening over there right. You are following behind it. Yes she can take out counter. The term will get you a moment. Yeah but it's the car's doing great. You're just it's like riding a roller coaster from the front the seventh riding roller coaster from the fries and and amg is like riding the roller coaster at the back. It's actually quite similar to those sensations if you've ever done that and g nine one. Gt three r s are lovely cars but compared to the gt are or the seven twenty s you might find a tad underwhelming. Believe it or not if you could call. Gd three rs underwhelming. I mean it won't it won't give the acceleration punch that the others will just doesn't have the same amount of work in the same way a friend nick has attract prepped. Gt three r s. And he took it to auto club speedway track day. And i was there with a seven twenty spider comfort spec and he saw one hundred and fifty seven on the front straight and i saw hundred eighty one. So that's the difference you're talking about in acceleration driver. No he's a good driver. My friend and my friend is very. He's smokes me in sim racing. But he's he's pretty good in the car to but this day. The seven twenty is another level of horsepower Remember that smear that roma had you drive donny. Plus two hundred horses. That'd be fun or minus. Four hundred pounds I chop cats. That's not cool. I hope that. Oh i hope. He means catalytic converters and not what they're both bad. Yeah there's no way you're fucking username could be understood as good or he does murders like a chop cats you know. Damn that's bad. Matching to forty zero nissan. No rust for a resto mod build. Will it improve the value to invest in getting the work done at a specialty shop. My budget is twenty k. U. s. t. This person is all over the place to improve the value of a matching numbers to forty z. You should restore it to stock. Should not rest oman. it rest amani. It will make it fun to drive maybe in my make it perform better than stock one of those but it certainly won't improve any value. Yeah you'll never you'll never get back what you put into and twenty thousand sounds like a lot of money but if you're talking about having arrest oman built at a specialty shop will go awful quick. Ah that budget will be. We'll be god i would say if you want to improve value restore at a specialty shop and put that twenty k. To work as good as you can. If you want to resto mod maybe try and do as much of it yourself as you can you know. Yeah that's my advice more fun. It might be if you know what you're doing a little bit Md kay kyser just past two hundred and twenty thousand miles on his gti with some choice. Mods should i continue driving the wheels off it with the luxury of no payments or place with mark seven keepdriving keepdriving. Not having a car. Payment felt so good seven. Gti is some revolutionary upgrade over a mark five gti. The formula is the same. Yeah it's now you're saying. Should i buy a porsche right. You know it's a. Gt is still nice car. But yeah Sharply tj says. What are your five favorite engines. And why oh boy fighting each. I'll give each favourite engines Anyone anyone have one on on on the mind. Boxer ferrari boxer engine test. Engine the bbn from the bbc all the way through. Yeah okay why. So it's just everything about it is a trip the size of the pistons the power the sound the look. It's it's a trip okay. I like that one eighty V yeah can you explain that. It's not a flat twelve. It's one hundred and eighty degree v twelve. What's the difference there The way the crank is set up. Okay the crank is you know. Cut the degrees of the crank. The way the Bearing caps arts to have So you have the two rods next to each other like you would an v. It's just brought all the way to one eighty instead of sixty or ninety and if it was a flat with the crag chef be like a flat crank or just be a good question. Ask subaru guy right. I never got into that. What would the other one engines Any acid v twelve six leader in my vanquish is pretty good. Big fan of that can't ignore that. Whole family of any six leader aston v twelve. They're very good. The s fifty four. It's a great engine. yeah i don't i. I don't think it's put to best use in the forty-six i've three. It's best houston thirty. Oh yeah yeah. This is very good. Engine yeah The hyp- cbs. One thousand In line six cylinder motorcycle engine thousand six sounds like a fucking f one car. That's got to be up there. Three twenty seven chevy free twenty-seven g. Yeah that is an engine. Yeah that is that. Is it The an ls is a is a pretty great thing. It's a pretty great thing. I'd say the inland alleys. Inline five. the new inline. Yeah the new sounds here. Rapid does a pretty special thing and of course The demand motorsports Four point five liter I just drove this thing for my new show modified on haggerty. It's a new haven guy in new york. Rick demand is building a four and a half liter naturally aspirated crate engine for the gt four. Thirty thousand bucks. And it's a plus one fifty plus one fifty so it's five hundred and eighty horsepower. Naturally aspirated motor for came in and they'll put box spider also and what they won't advertise. They're not trying to advertise but they did tell me is that they have snuck three of these engines through smoke like they won't give you paperwork saying it's it's a car engine. It's not but if you just roll up to smog and say your car stock. They've passed two of these and they've failed zero wicked. So just if you're in california and you wanted to. Dl mob on people. They wouldn't even let me say that shit in the haggerty video. They're like no. You can't say that. I was like but i'll say it here. They've they've snuck them. Pass smoke so you can and you wanna talk about a way to you. See this video of how this engine sounds it. Sounds like a cup car kanana's with a cup car engine fucking bananas so good Sean says commuter car suggestions and the twenty five to thirty thousand dollar range for one hundred and seventy mile round trip commute two to four times a week colorado springs to denver all weather conditions. Coming out of an old forester bentley. yes vintage bentley. arnaz red-label yes even earlier just to throw a car but comfortable hundred and seventy. I'm thinking you've got to have good seats. I mean it's got to be something really nice seats so maybe like maybe volvo highway car. You know maybe a volvo. Maybe to be really nice i think living in colorado you have to commute and there's a lot of snow having a little ground. Clearance is good. Yeah if anyone needed a couple of inches there that'd be golf all track golf track track copyright quiet on the highways. Well do this. Do joshu shooting with us for haggerty has a red all track on white like spargo wheels on like wild p like a safari. All track. School students should get. It's it's the classy forrester little more a little more comfortable a little quieter inside. Yeah and and with a dual clutch right As far as i know. Yeah maybe you're getting even get a manual. But it's but the auto is the dual cloudy. The auto for commuting hit traffic. Menial sucks yeah James morgan says what am i. Future thoughts on the thoughts on the future value of ninety four ninety five mustangs man not a lot. Yeah i mean. They've gone up in the last few years where they'll peak. We don't know. I don't want to be condescending. But but we're we're playing and very small peanuts eight grand you know. They're not worth it. Worth a cobra are is thirty. The night the rarest highest performing lowest volume most enthusiast oriented car of that period of that mustang is like a forty thousand dollar car. And and so. If you're now not even talking about a cobra but you're talking about a gt. I mean these are these. Are you know right. I had heard will mustang in high school. I had a ninety four. Gt that i did up like a cobra leader right yeah we put a three forty seven stroke cranking it. We did all this shit. Suspension and the cobra are knows. The cobra lily yet. Looks exactly. I mean that's funny. It's still said mustang. Gt the bumper. It didn't do the cobra bumper but other than that it looked just like a cobra with the wheels. It was cool very cool but like as an investment vehicle like nah like those cars are fun to drive there on their nicer to drive than regular fox bodies they feel a little more like real cars and he has teal convertible with black. That's going to rise with inflation. Yeah enjoy drive the answer. I don't mean to say the answer is driving enjoy. it's not. It's just not an investment grade vehicle but if you like driving in you know you might be able to drive for cheap. You know what i mean. That's like a flat thing. You know you buy it for ten grand twelve grand. You put twenty thousand miles on for ten grant money money out. Yeah clean. Kicks is going from a two thousand sixteen three ninety two challenger with a manual oh to an ninety two three a step down. I'm fine with the difference. In cost of ownership power is the experience. Thanks for the content while the ninety is going to turn a lot better. It's gonna feel way tighter. I think three ninety-two we'll know. I think the m three will the challenges fun. It's torque and the engines a good time and it makes a noise. But unless you get like the the wide-body hell cat or read. I was suspension. Just don't turn. And even then they feel like they were eight thousand pounds. I agree you might miss the tort. You might be like. Wow for four hundred and fourteen horsepower v. Eight in this m three. There's no there's nothing below four Who i was. We were just talking to jay ryan The other day and he he had an ninety two and three and he also had an ninety two three thirty five. I and he said in almost every driving situation to three thirty five. I was more fun and fell faster because at the low and medium and made a lot more power than the three so coming out of a giant v eight. You know the you may miss that But if you buy a nice car it shouldn't feel like step down as feel like a lateral move. I think it will give you a good experience in terms of cornering Visibility size and those kinds of performance. It just won't have the punch but if that's what you're after you're gonna like it. Yeah because at least it's a different experience Jeremy woo grew up riding in his dad's portion nine. Four four is now twenty six years old and the turbo ship has sailed. How old will i be before their under twenty thousand bucks again. I feel like i'm too late. You're right nine. Forty four are expensive for the good ones. And here's the problem with nine forty four's they're nice to drive but not that nice but they're really expensive to maintain. I always liked him. The patron of the porsches. I always live. Parts are so expensive dude really. Yeah you're like why. I don't even know just because they're second base though isn't it. Yeah so put not take tubing is crazy. Expensive in the glue falls apart. I mean if you if you worried about those kinds of things we've randomly. I think bills or something like that and he was like. Do you know how much i had to pay for this stupid air. Conditioning looking duck like painted black was so mad and after two years it was already breaking down again. These old tape to hold intake manifold together like the intake and just it appeals apart. And then what do you find that stuff. Yeah like stuff for your car. I got from an aircraft company. The ducting industrial. Johnny don't have an guy if you don't always jpl five. Yeah so be willing to change out for that stuff. No i mean yeah the really good the really good quality cars of the eighties and nineties are going to be expensive for a while because you can use them people want cars that are collectible but that you can use. Yeah you know. Is this offensive if you want to nine four four experience for cheap just get a chimera one l. e. two point. Oh get me on like get rx7. F rx seven. Something like that. Yeah i mean you know it's I if you have a sentimental attachment to it. I get it but nine forty. Four's aren't vat great all right. I'll come down and get eventually. But i don't think i'll ever be under twenty grand twenty grand get fucking twenty k. Get a vet your ear. You're gonna have fun for ever. Forget about poor. Still front engine. Rear trans axle experienced. You know Jeff scott for twenty five thousand bucks. Should i get a mint. Api s two thousand or a brand new andy to miata for weekend fun. If you want to dry. I would say the miata if you want to drive it and put a lot of miles on. It depends if you fit fit. What's your in seem seem under twenty eight. Then maybe you'll be good in the two thousand and the the miata fits more people which you because it's so small but the the the se thousand. The wheels fixed right. Yeah non. John zarrella steering wheel so you are totally stuck with whatever the car gives you which is not a lot if you're over like five ten. Yeah it's a problem if you fit i think. Get the thousand because eventually miata will get a lot cheaper because it's brand new and you could do that later but the se. Thousands is just so special New says one ninety khasi like an old one versus a chevy s daily driver. No dude you can't daily drive a one ninety cosworth. That's an old car. That's like an eighty seven eighty eighty five to eighty eight. That's an old car mercedes right. Yeah yeah why. An old mercedes with a cosworth engine daily. The words daily driving and cosworth do not enter. Comey's like five cars one of them is this no. Chevy s is ls engine on a easy modern proven platform. That's a daily driver car. A cosworth is the grub fun. Fun weekend collectible. God bless have fun definitely trip daily drive one of the things. The last one ryan ang-lee wants to get into saco modding. Where do i begin Is there a forum. I can learn. Yeah okay so. I would start by buying a box of broken watches on ebay or something and taking them apart and putting them together assuming you do you wanna learn the physical modeling. You can literally buy a basic set of watchmakers tools. Just search for that you buy that you buy a basic fucking monocle and shit and you can buy a bag of like broken watches and movements and take them shits apart and put them back together. If that's what you wanna do you can also follow like a bunch of the saco maters on instagram. To get like inspiration and a lot of them will tag where they buy their parts from. 'cause there's like five or six main parts suppliers for like modding seko's and you can figure you see where they are and And then you start buying parts and a lot of shit is like pretty interchangeable like because the saco turtle in the saco s knx are such popular platforms for modding you just go to the website and peers. Two dozen vessels for the esca ex There's absolutely instructional videos on youtube for how to take the watch apart at take the case back off the bracelets off how to take the Or if you don't want to physically do it. You know i you can go look at the people i follow on instagram. I follow a lot of saco maters. Dm me and say. I want someone to build me a watch. I'm currently having a custom. Saco built and i'm really excited about it. It's going to be fucking cool. The secondhand is a is a shark that swims around the foul on. It's awesome. yeah when you said that. What engine is that. It's a watch it. Yeah for the ascetics or sometimes they can upgrade the mechanical as well. You can upgrade a cheat a cheaper. Seiko watched like they're more expensive higher quality movement as well like if you had a date you could add a day a day date. Sure change like crystals you can go crystal to dome. You can get ceramahs rules. Yeah what is your hands. The dial my custom watch them. Having built is not based on a watch. it's only built from parts and it has. It's going to have a mother of pearl to houston black mother of pearl. You're the black pearl first so black mother of pearl. Dial with the fucking sharks swimming around it's going to be the sears building. It for me. Now that's actually a seiko. Underscore lab on instagram pulled. It up real quick zach. It's dope Saco on instagram Saco underscore lab l. a. b. I've been getting some from this. Dude shadow watchmaker. Who does really good. Fake vintage fake aging. So we'd say. I send him a watch and he sends it back like it's age. It's fucking frank trip so this dude build stuff from from scratch so Yeah so these. These are all built totally from scratch. These watches he's got here and that they've got different dials and cases and so the minds going to look like that case the gold case with the black yacht master basil. Some were up towards the top of the page. He's got the shark secondhand. I forget maybe down a little bit further. You can see it. it's the one. That's black dial There see the shark secondhand fucking rules that thing. That's jesus rights wendy swimming around awesome. That really is a trip. I'm very excited for my modest. Seko's this is fun. These are like these are literally like the You know like like the fox body mustangs or so this one in the middle there's act with the two-tone with a meteorite. Dial yeah so. That's a meteorite fucking trip. I've seen a few. Yeah so i mean look at this thing. it's modern. It looks like a much more expensive. Watch right yeah so to get that to that. Exact watch from this dude is about like fourteen hundred bucks what built from parts and the meteorite. Dial is like two hundred and fifty dollars really. Yeah because i've seen the meteorite watches that are just yet. I mean they rolex does meteorite. Dial they're they're really expensive but you can get a lot of these parts that Higher end manufacturers ceramic basil's and stuff like that pretty cool. It's fun and you just totally like cuts dream it. And they'll build it. That's beautiful that's a couple of different guys You know not to say that one. Is this a better than the other. They just have different styles got. You could have an airplane flying around dude. You can view all kinds of cool stuff. Hollers finishes and crystals and textures tinted crystals. Paint different color painted loom bloom. Red loom really. Make it fucking crazy. It's fun it's open season out there and see look on this post zach all the the parts companies other accounts are you get the parts so for the person listening. If you follow the saco maters. They share where they get their their parts. They're good like that. Yeah very cool. So that's the thing. I'm ready to end the show and go downstairs and look at my I wonder if they're done with my tires on the porsche too because we have to take cricket to the vet my new kitten in the porsche. Slow practical car. I got a kitten delivery vehicle yeah vaccination and then. I'm going to palm springs fabulous. Thanks for getting my car done donnie. I appreciate have fun in belgium will. How long are you going to be in belgium for six weeks. All right cool. Lots of toys to build. I'll put as many miles on this vehicle as i can in six weeks. Yes i'll circle back with you then all right. That's our show everybody. Thank you for participating. Thank you listening now. Or if you're listening later we appreciate shop and We're back on friday Jonny lieberman is in the studio and that's it goodbye piece to fuck out link.

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