12 Burst results for "Moira Rose"
Good One: A Podcast About Jokes
"moira rose" Discussed on Good One: A Podcast About Jokes
"You know, I just love getting to do what I do. And what I feel like a lot of people forget about Jennifer Coolidge is she kind of has this back of the throat thing sometimes. I also was really heavily considering Jennifer Tilly, but I can only do her at a whisper level and I didn't know if it would read on stanch game, but I really like you know something and if you move around too much while you're pregnant, your baby might be born with lobster claws. I wanted to do Catherine O'Hara, but that's just a moira rose impression. I'm trying to think of other people. I heard you want you almost in Meryl Streep, which seems really hard because it is. What was it gonna be? Well, I play Meryl and peaches Christ's drag parody show. Drag becomes her. But I've basically watched that movie so many times that I can mimic the lines from that movie as Meryl. I didn't lose it. It broke off. You know? But it's very specific to just doing those lines. Yeah, yeah. But when I was trying to do Merrill outside of the world of death becomes her. I never got past the point of just making noises. So I realized and why I switched from Meryl to Judy is 'cause it was like three days before check in and I was like, I still have a fully non verbal merrell. I've still not figured out how Merrill would speak. And then also when I did do things that I thought was pretty funny as Merrill, it was all slow burn and snatch game has to be like quick, quick, quick. So at the point where I decided not to do Merrill, my Merrill was pretty much just this. Oh. Oh.
Crime Junkie
"moira rose" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"So easily. And so she called the police and then she texted Khalil and said that the car he had wasn't hers, and if he brought back the keys, she wouldn't call the cops. Basically, she was hoping that both the police and Khalil would show up at the same time and they would arrest him. But unfortunately, they missed each other, though Khalil did come back to drop the keys off at the bottom of the stairs leading up to her room. So the prosecutor is wondering what you are probably screaming right now, which is like, why the wasn't this guy arrested? If Tiffany called the police, what happened here? She knew his name, and one of the handcuffs was literally still hanging off her wrist. How is he free to then go and murder Sarah? Well, what Tiffany tells him next makes him believe that Sarah's murder could have been prevented altogether. This episode was made possible by Etsy, where special doesn't have to mean expensive. I don't know if you guys have met me before, but I adore sequin. And I used to say that I own way too much for someone who lives in Indiana, but I've got this whole new attitude about it now. I have stopped waiting for an occasion to wear it and now I wear a sequin to the office. It's a real moira rose vibe. You would love it, trust me. So I am always on the lookout for new and unique sequin pieces to mix into my wardrobe, and I have found some of the cutest stuff on Etsy. Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category, like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. Now a word from our sponsor better help. Recently, I had a physical, and it was like this long three hour process where I did blood work, and they checked my skin and my organs, and I mean, everything, except my mental health, which seems bananas since quite literally, you use your brain for everything and how you experience the world around you, how you input information, how you react with people completely affects your life. So it's important to invest time and care into keeping your mind healthy. Better help is online therapy that offers video phone and even live chat only therapy session. So you don't have to see anyone on camera if you don't want to. It's much more affordable than in person therapy, and it's available worldwide. Better help will assess your needs and the can match you with your own accredited therapist in under 48 hours. Visit better help dot com slash crime junkie and join the over 2 million people who have taken charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at better help dot com slash crime junkie that's better HELP dot com slash crime junkie. Tiffany tells the prosecutor that when the police showed up, she told them everything that had happened to the best of her ability. But according to body cam footage, from the three police officers that responded to Tiffany's call, which was published in a video from north Jersey dot com, it is obvious from the very beginning that none of them believed the story she told. Here's actually a part of Tiffany's interaction with police that night. What injuries do you have? You look at my face and I just see. For the what? When did it hit you? In the car. So you let him duct tape you or what happens. I just need to put the handcuffs on me first. What was happening all happened in the car? Yeah. This to me is absolutely outrageous. For them to say, you let him duct tape you? Like, who the says that to a victim? What about this woman makes you not believe her story? But not only did the officers not believe her, they accused her of being a sex worker and placed all the blame on her. And again, she literally still has one of the handcuffs hanging off her wrist. And so even though she gave them Khalil's name, she literally gave them his Facebook profile, his phone number doesn't matter. They just left. So when the prosecutor learns all of this, he is infuriated. Because Tiffany's attack happened just a week before Sarah was murdered and sure enough, Khalil cell phone data corroborates Tiffany's story. As does security footage that they pull from the motel. So had even one of the three officers who answered Tiffany's call, done even the teensiest bit of their freaking job to try to corroborate her story, Sarah butler would still be alive today. Khalil is charged with Joanne's murder and Tiffany's assault over the following weeks, to which he pleads not guilty on all charges. But even though he can't hurt anyone else behind bars, investigators continue trying to uncover the full extent of his reign of terror. They take a look at murders that occurred in and around the cities of montclair, specifically if the victim was a female sex worker, and it doesn't take them long to focus on the murder of another young woman whose body was found on September 1st. Her name is Robin west, and according to more reporting by Rebecca panico for NJ dot com, her badly burned body was found by firefighters after they put out a fire at an abandoned house in orange, New Jersey. The fire appeared to have been started either on or very close to her body. In fact, Robin had to be identified through dental records because of how badly damaged she was. The woman she was last seen with told police at the time that she saw Robin getting into a silver sedan and she even wrote down the license plate number. So police had a solid place to start. And wouldn't you know it? When they check who own that car, it was none other than Khalil. Like literally, this guy was doing nothing to cover his tracks, but he knew he didn't have to because police are doing nothing to take this guy off the streets. Now, to be fair, at the time, they did bring him in for questioning, but I'm sure by now you can guess exactly what he said, he's like, yep, sorry that night dropped her off a few hours later, she was fine, no idea what happened afterwards. And so, they let him go. He was free to leave, and after that, the investigation stalled. Khalil did remain on the radar as a possible suspect, but I couldn't find anything stating if he was ever re interviewed. So by now, he's been charged with the murders of two other women, the assault of a third, and they have a feeling that Robin could have fallen prey to him as well. So they go back to those trusty phone records and look at his location on the night that Robin was killed, which, by the way, they could have done when Robin was killed. And according to those records, they can see that after he picked up Robin, which remember he admitted doing. He drove to the house that she would later be found in, and then he left shortly before the call came into 9-1-1 reporting the house fire. But his phone records also show that he didn't go straight home. According to more reporting from Julia Martin
Crime Junkie
"moira rose" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"Honestly, things are really quiet, even after a $2000 reward is offered for information a month later. But even that doesn't help. And I think there are a number of possible explanations for this. I mean, we all know by now that police don't necessarily have the greatest track record when it comes to taking crimes involving sex workers as seriously as they should. I mean, that's true today, but especially true a few decades ago when ruby was killed. But it could also be that witnesses themselves are less likely to come forward and talk to authorities if they're worried about being implicated in or associated with sex work. Ultimately, though, it's hard for anyone to ignore ruby's case, because in November of 1986, another woman, 30 year old Mary Ann Turner, is found murdered in Spokane's east side. Like ruby, she was a sex worker based in the same area, and like ruby, she was found strangled. And then, there are more victims. Over the course of about 20 months after ruby's murder 5 other women are found strangled to death in Spokane. Two of them, Mary Ann and a woman named Rochelle English are sex workers. Another named Kathleen dehart had worked at a topless bar and the other two victims, Dorothy burdett and Nadine Johnson don't seem to have any known connection to sex work. Now, investigators are clear that at this point, they don't have any evidence to suggest that this is the work of a single serial killer or anything like that. Yes, there are some similarities between the victims, but there are also differences in how each murder was carried out. Like one of the victims had been sexually assaulted while that wasn't confirmed in any of the other cases. And some of the victims were found outside, like ruby, while others were found inside apartments. So to police, the cases are distinct enough that it doesn't really scream serial killer to them. But I know a lot of you crime junkies out there are probably connecting some dots right now. Washington state, 1980s, a series of sex workers murdered by strangulation that's gotta be ringing some green river killer bells, and you're not alone. According to Bill Moreland's reporting for the spokesman review, the green river task force is interested in these murders, although they also don't necessarily think the similarities are enough to say it's the work of a serial killer either. Much less their serial killer. And it's also important to remember that the green river killer primarily worked in the Seattle area, which is literally the opposite side of Washington state from Spokane where these murders are taking place. So the green river task force ultimately stays uninvolved and these murders remain unsolved and don't even get a lot of press or attention over the next few years. Although, a couple of years later, there is an interesting development in ruby's case that catches the task force's attention. In November of 1989, investigators are looking into the suicide of a Spokane county assistant public defender named Dale wells. So while looking into this, they come across this guy named Terry herrick, who runs a locomotive, and according to Terry, he remembers Dale coming to this motel and looking for ruby about a week before her murder. Now, at the time, Dale's story two Terry, why he was coming around looking for her was that ruby had stolen a wallet from a Spokane police officer and he was just trying to get it back. And not like for any upstanding reasons. Apparently he was trying to avoid word getting around that this police officer had been with a sex worker. But Terry wasn't able to help him, he told Dale that ruby had been staying at this motel, but had recently moved to a different motel on east Sprague. And that was the end of it. Even following ruby's murder, Terry didn't think it was anything significant. Until he learned of Dale's death in the news. And that's when their interaction all those years ago took kind of a whole new meaning on for him. And he called investigators with this information. Now, another reason that Dale feels like a very strong lead is because they learn that he was good friends with a man named William Stevens junior, like so close they would often spend holidays together. But at the time, William was also considered a lead suspect in the green river killings. Now, in hindsight, we all know that Gary Ridgway was the true green river killer, not William Stevens junior. But at the time, this feels like too big of a coincidence for investigators to ignore. And so Dale becomes their primary suspect and they begin looking into his possible involvement in ruby's death, or at least that's what I assume. It's kind of hard to say because ruby's case goes without any public updates for years. Years that her daughter is growing up without any clear answers as to what happened to her mother. And then, out of nowhere, in March of 1996, this is more than ten years after ruby's murder. Kim baker reports for the spokesman review that a man named Robert Clark has been charged with the strangling murder of Rochelle, English. Now if you remember Rochelle was one of the 5 other women who were strangled in Spokane in the months following ruby's murder. Though, police still maintain that these cases are not connected, and it seems like maybe they're not, because he goes down for her murder, and that's truly as close as we get to an update on ruby, so he's never connected to ruby's case. But in 2008, they start to revisit that idea. What if these cases are connected after all? In May of that year, Jody Lawrence Turner reports for the spokesman review that investigators believe there could be a connection between Robert Clark's murder of her shell English, and the murders of ruby dos, Mary Ann Turner, Dorothy burdett, Kathleen de Hart, and another woman named Linda Lewis, who was murdered in 1995. So now in 2008, all of a sudden they're saying that these cases actually do share many similarities. Obviously, the victims were all strangled, but they also suffered head wounds and apparently most were sexually assaulted. Now, I'm not sure if they knew this all along and just weren't telling the news outlets. I guess this is information they were holding back, or if something new was actually found when they were reworking the cases. It's not super clear from the source material. But either way, here's the scoop. While serving time for rachelle's murder, Robert Clark had confessed to the murder of another woman in Illinois. And I think police see this as proof that at least Rochelle's murder wasn't an isolated incident. And so maybe this is what got them to take another look at all of the cases. So like I said, one of the big things that's standing out to detectives is that all of these women were strangled. Detective kip Holland Beck tells the spokesman review, quote, the vast majority of the murders are gunshots, knife wounds, and blunt trauma, strangulation is not one of the top ways. When strangulation is involved, it's common that it is the same person because they get off on it for some reason. Now, this doesn't mean though that there's any new evidence at this point that connects Robert Clark to these other murders. In fact, in that same article, detective Holland Beck says their theory is purely circumstantial, but still, investigators from Spokane visit Robert in Illinois to question him and see if he'll confess to the other murders, but no luck. So without any physical evidence or a confession, investigators seen to hit a dead end, yet again. However, a couple of years later, in October of 2010, another arrest is made. And this arrest gives them the only new lead that they can find. A man named Gary trimble is arrested in Lincoln Montana for a probation violation. And during his arrest, he's asked to provide a DNA sample which gets entered into the national database, and wouldn't you know it, that sample is a match for semen that was found at the scene of Dorothy burdett's murder in Spokane. Now, of course, everyone wants to know if this man could be responsible for all of the other unsolved strangulations in Spokane, including rubies. And according to Angela Brandt's reporting in the mausoleum, police are absolutely looking into that. After all, we know there was a used condom found near ruby's body, so maybe now all of these years later, there could finally be a match. But there isn't. Gary trembles DNA is not a match for the used condom, and he's never connected to ruby's death or any other of the murders around the same time. And so once again, ruby's murder and the others go unsolved. Year after year passes without an update. Until one day, seemingly out of nowhere, ruby's case blows wide open. This episode was made possible by hills, pet nutrition, hills, science diet nutrition provides precise nutrition that supports healthy skin coat and stool. And you guys, they have this amazing program called the hills food shelter and love program. It provides science led nutrition for dogs and cats in participating shelters, the goal of the program is simple to provide dogs and cats with nutrition that will help make them healthy, happy, and ready to join their forever home. So along with expert care from shelter staff and volunteers, hill's pet food can play a vital role in the ability of shelters to help pets find their forever homes. 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Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category, like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. In January of 2015, down in Pasco, a city in Franklin county about a couple hours south of Spokane, officials are investigating a police officer, named Richard a Gary for sexual assault. Now, just like Gary trimble, Richards DNA is collected as part of that investigation and just like Gary trimble, Richard's DNA is submitted to a national database, and just like Gary trimble, Richard's DNA matches another sample found at a Spokane crime scene. Only this time, it matches the DNA pulled from the used condom found near ruby's body. Franklin county officials notify the Spokane police right away and they start gearing up their investigation and getting a better sense of who this guy is and how he and ruby might have crossed paths back in 1986. What they learn is that prior to joining the Pasco police, Richard was a member of the U.S. Air Force, and at the time of ruby's death, he was actually stationed at Fairchild Air Force Base, which is just 12 miles southwest of Spokane. Now eventually, Richard is notified about this DNA match, and although he denies any involvement in ruby's death, he does decide to resign from the Pasco police department. It isn't until May of 2015 that authorities decide to go public with the new development in ruby's case. But first, they contact ruby's daughter, Keisha, who by now is around 30 years old, and they inform her of the development before any charges are filed. Now, even though at this point they haven't filed charges against Richard for ruby's death, he still has that sexual assault charge hanging over him, which he pleads not guilty to, and he's released on his own recognizance. In an interview with the spokesman review, Richard's attorney also maintains Richard's innocence in ruby's murder, and he says, quote, it's really hard to remember a lot of specific details from 30 years ago, but he believes he was an acquaintance of miss doss. Which like, no kidding. His semen was found in a condom near her abandoned body. Now around the same time that this is all happening and he's being released, police are talking to some of Richard's friends and family, and they provide even more details about his life in Spokane back in 1986. Richards sisters say that in the wake of the new allegations being made public, Richard had told them he once had a sexual encounter with a woman around the time of ruby's murder, but he can't say for certain if that woman was ruby, which seems like the most like vague way to try and cover your own butt, like, yeah, you know, I had sex with someone in 1986, might have been her, who's to say, but one of Richard's friends tells police something disturbing. More than this like, oh, I might have won upon a time BS. He says that he and Richard would often visit E Sprague to frequent strip clubs, and then they would pick up sex workers, and Richard told him that he had once hit a woman in the head and choked her, but he told him that he believed she was still alive and moving when he left. So here's a fun question. Why on earth wouldn't this friend go to the police with that information before now? I mean, even if Richard had been adamant that the woman was still alive and even if this friend was unaware of ruby's murder, I mean, this is still a vicious assault that Richard described to him, so just so we're on the same page. This isn't the kind of behavior you just like right off. Ultimately, this information combined with the DNA match is enough for police to feel like they can officially make their move. And on June 2nd, Richard is in a hearing regarding the sexual assault case when three Spokane police officers enter the courtroom and place him under arrest for ruby's murder, and the next day he is officially charged with first degree murder. Just after Richard a Gary's arrest, homicide investigators are conducting a search of his property. And during that search, they seize cell phones and computers, and that's when they find something disturbing. Something they truly didn't expect. There, on Richard's phone, are thousands of sexually explicit photos and hundreds of videos that he had taken with both men and women, and these aren't run of the mill sex tapes. According to Mike prager's reporting, in the spokesman review, when investigators see on these recordings suggest Richard had committed a number of other crimes, including rape and voyeurism. Investigators are able to identify some of the people depicted on the recordings, but they actually publicly call for any witnesses to come forward to confirm whether or not the acts capture on video were consensual. And that call out works. Suddenly, Spokane police are receiving call after call from both men and women who are concerned that they might have been recorded without their consent. I mean, in one of the videos a man in a motel room can actually be heard fearfully saying over and over again that he does not want to be recorded, and the man tells investigators that although the sex was consensual, he absolutely did not agree to be recorded. And it's actually this video that ultimately leads to Richard being officially charged with voyeurism on June 6th. Again, through his attorney, Richard denies the allegation and says that any sexually explicit recordings were made with permission. But this is really just the beginning of what investigators are able to uncover following their search of Richard's phone. Through searches of his Internet history, detectives learn that Richard visited websites depicting violent rape. And they also are able to identify and contact some of Richard's former partners who confirm that he would choke them during sex. Nina Culver reports in the spokesman review that some of these exes say the choking was light, while others actually feared for their lives. As investigators are, once again, deciding whether or not to add more charges against Richard, they learn from one of his former girlfriends that he may have also engaged in witness tampering. She says that she visited Richard at his house back in April following a police search of his home, and there he told her that he was a suspect in ruby's murder, but denied any involvement. And then he gave her $2000 and apologized for his treatment of her when they were together. And like this isn't enough, after his arrest, Richard was recorded on telephone calls with his sister discussing this former girlfriend and encouraging his sister to find her contact information. So police allege that he knows this woman is likely going to be a witness, and he was hoping to influence her testimony about their time together. Whether by getting her to change what she was going to say or by getting her to not say anything at all. So, on July 1st, 2015, Richards charges are updated once again. In addition to first degree murder and voyeurism, now he's also facing charges for tampering with a witness. And as part of these updated charges, the prosecution also requests that Richard have no contact with any members of the Pasco police department. And that's all part of this like little side scandal that I probably should just mention briefly. Basically, the prosecution alleges that members of the Pasco police department, former colleagues of Richards, have been feeding him information on the investigation. Now, Richard, his attorney and the Pasco police department all vehemently deny this, but the prosecution remains firm and says that this is something that happened. Unfortunately, though, that's kind of all the information I can find on this specific incident. And it doesn't lead to any official charges, and there are never any concrete details released around what information was apparently leaked, if any. Now a couple of weeks after this, so on July 15th, Richard officially enters a plea of not guilty. Although by this point, the first degree murder charge has been actually reduced to second degree, and the witness tampering charge seems to have kind of been dropped entirely. It's not even mentioned. And I can't figure out like there are no details in the source material about why the charge was reduced. It's kind of honestly just mentioned as an aside and a few articles, even though it feels like a pretty big development to me. And just to know, even though this guy was a police officer doesn't seem like the prosecution has been playing favorites with Richard. So I have to assume that maybe they just felt like their chances of a conviction were better with a second degree charge. And I don't know if this was like a negotiation between prosecution and defense or what. But after that, after this not guilty plea, nothing seems to happen for months. That isn't until March of 2016 when there's an update in the case, and honestly it was a pretty big one. Richards attorney files a motion to have the murder charge dropped, claiming that he has evidence Richard wasn't even in the country at the time of ruby's death. Now I mentioned earlier prior to joining the police department Richard was a member of the air force and he was stationed near Spokane when she died. Well, according to Richard's attorney, he actually didn't stay in Spokane. He was deployed to South Korea, and to prove it, he produces a performance report that lists Richard's reporting period at osan air base in South Korea as beginning on December 24th, 1985 and ending on December 23rd, 1986. In other words, this document says that Richard was on a different continent beginning a month before ruby's murder. Now obviously, this is a huge development, but it's not quite The Rock solid alibi you might expect. First of all, you can not ignore that Richard's DNA was found at the crime scene. But also the prosecution argues that a reporting period at a specific air base isn't the same as actually being at the air base. In fact, they produce medical and dental records showing that Richard received care at the Spokane base as late as January 16th, 1986. And not only that, but as I said earlier, Richard himself has already mentioned a family and friends that he had a sexual encounter with a woman who may or may not have been ruby around the time of the murder. So even he has made claims that don't line up with his alibi. Ultimately, this supposed alibi isn't strong enough for the court to dismiss the case, and both sides prepare to go to trial. Although the prosecution does file a motion to have the trial delayed, which seems to work as it's more than a year before there's another update on the case. Now in that year's time, Richard is released on bail and also exonerated on the unrelated sexual assault charges that led to his DNA sample being collected in the first place. Additionally, the voyeurism charges are dropped, though according to Rachel Alexander's reporting in the spokesman review, investigators are still investigating whether or not they're able to press any additional voyeurism charges. And I think those are particularly difficult to pursue because it can be difficult to find victims who are willing to cooperate due to the fear of being publicly exposed and embarrassed, which we know is something investigators dealt with on this case. Okay, so just to recap, at this point, Richard is just facing the second degree murder charge. But then in December of 2017, he's not even facing that, because suddenly, the prosecution drops the charge entirely. Now, obviously, the prosecution's case has always been hinged on the used condom DNA sample. But according to emotion to dismiss that was filed by the prosecution, quote recent DNA results raise significant evidentiary issues. Therefore, in the interests of justice, it is respectfully requested that the above named matter be dismissed without prejudice. Okay, so these significant evidentiary issues aren't elaborated on in the court documents. But according to Jonathan Glover's reporting in the spokesman review, it may stem from the condom itself going missing at some point after the DNA was extracted in 1989. Now, the prosecution says that the condom itself doesn't really matter since the DNA was extracted and processed. But it seems that the issue at play here is that without the condom, the defense isn't able to do their own testing. But the way that the charges are dropped, it allows the prosecution the opportunity to recharge Richard in the future if there are any changes or new evidence. And it just so happens that they actually do plan to recharge him. This episode is made possible by sleep number. You guys I officially have it dialed in. Last night, my sleep IQ score was 83, and that was with my sleep number set at 75. Now I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so even 83 isn't perfect to me. I'm using the sleep IQ data that I'm given from my bed to continually dial it in even more. I am determined to get my sleep IQ into the 90s. You see, sleep IQ data shows sleepers who use their 360 smart bed technology get 28 more minutes of restful sleep per night. That is up to 170 hours per year. So why choose proven quality sleep from sleep number? That's because every great day starts the night before. 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"moira rose" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"When he's done, the person conducting the polygraph says that in his opinion, Eddie is telling the truth. Police don't have enough to charge him with anything. And back in New York, despite his unwillingness to speak with detectives, Joey also agrees to take a polygraph and he passes too, so no charges for him either. That same day, Timothy's case goes to a grand jury, and he's indicted on a second degree murder charge. But by now, Dennis has already started to build a really strong defense. Because Timothy's mother is certain that in January of 1986, Timothy was actually in a youth group home called saint cabrini, which is an hour away from Middletown. Timothy was apparently sent there because he was getting into some trouble. But he hadn't been arrested or anything back then, so we're not talking about a high security setup. I mean, still, the kids who stay there are monitored. And his lawyer realizes that this could be the answer to their prayers. He subpoenas the records from saint cabrini and sure enough, he sees that Timothy's placement there went from December 30th, 1985, through January 31st, 1986. Dennis is now totally convinced that Timothy's confession was bogus. But the records he has won't be enough to satisfy the court. Their general placement records, there's no documentation proving that Timothy was there when Sean was killed. So it's time to get the DA's office on board. Of course, prosecutors want more information. So they send an investigator of their own to the facility to dig deeper. The DA's investigator manages to get more detailed records that show not just placement, but hourly bed checks on the day of the murder. Dennis pours through the records as fast as he can, but in the meantime, a preliminary hearing is held, where police dispute the defense's claims that Timothy's confession was coerced. Detectives who testify say Timothy wasn't scared at all. He was totally calm when they spoke with him, and they were, too, because they didn't think that they were interviewing a suspect. But Dennis says that with a guy like Timothy, police wouldn't have had to be wildly aggressive to get him talking. He was very compliant, and it would have been easy to press his buttons. An article by police interrogation expert Richard a Leo in the journal of the American academy of psychiatry and the law says that people who are highly suggestible or compliant are more likely to falsely confess. Highly suggestible people tend to be unassertive and have higher levels of anxiety. And those in other personality traits can make them more vulnerable to interrogation pressure. Timothy could fit the bill, but maybe that doesn't even matter. Maybe those group home records will be all they need to prove that he wasn't involved. According to Tristan Corden's reporting, the saint cabrini records state that all 43 youths were in their beds from the night of January 15th, 1986 through the next morning. They were checked on every hour from one to 9 a.m., and in that important time window of like four to 6 a.m., staff noted that everyone was asleep and the cottage was clean and quiet. But it might not be the solid piece of evidence the defense thinks it is. This episode was made possible by Etsy, where special doesn't have to mean expensive. I don't know if you guys have met me before, but I adore sequin. And I used to say that I own way too much for someone who lives in Indiana, but I've got this whole new attitude about it now. I have stopped waiting for an occasion to wear it and now I wear a sequin to the office. It's a real moira rose vibe. You would love it, trust me. So I am always on the lookout for new and unique sequin pieces to mix into my wardrobe, and I have found some of the cutest stuff on Etsy. Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category, like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. That's because a sank cabrini staff member who was on duty at the time testifies at the hearing, and according to detective sergeant Jason Jennings, the man admits that he had been caught sleeping on the job once before. And his supervisor told him if it ever happened again he'd be fired. So, as for the group home records being indisputable proof that Timothy was nowhere near Middletown, investigators have their doubts. But his lawyer doesn't agree, he says the attendance records placed Timothy at saint cabrini continuously through the entire month of January in 1986. So if prosecutors want to move ahead, they're going to need to show that the facility's records are wrong. Not just around the time that Sean was murdered, but a couple of days before that when Timothee said that Eddie called him at home to arrange the whole thing. The DA realizes his office probably won't be able to tear apart Timothy's alibi. But there's one more thing that he wants before he just dismisses the murder charge. He asks for a polygraph. Under most circumstances, a defense attorney is not going to urge a defendant to take a polygraph. But this is not most circumstances. Not only is Dennis convinced that a polygraph won't hurt them, he thinks it's going to be the thing that saves Timothy. So on Saturday, October 17th, Timothy is brought in from jail to a library in the DA's office. While he answers questions, his lawyer Dennis, Timothy's mom, the DA and the investigator wait in another room. There's some nervousness in the air. Even though the defense thinks this will go their way with the polygraphs. I mean, you can never be a 100% sure. But Timothy finishes up and right then and there, they find out he passed. That Monday, after 12 days in Orange County jail, Timothy walks out a free man. The DA tells the public that at this point there is no indication that Sean was murdered because he was involved with drugs in some way, so police are back to square one. Detective Bernstein wants to keep going, maybe track down other group home employees, formally interview them, even polygraph them. But the chief tells him it's time to move on, the charge was dismissed, that's it. Cynthia tries to wrap her head around the latest development. I mean, in less than two weeks, there went from being three people potentially facing charges for her son's murder to none. It is a roller coaster ride that she never wanted to get on in the first place. And as much as the Edwards family has been trying to move forward, it's almost impossible to do while they're still being bombarded with rumors. Especially because many of the people who share info have an ulterior motive. Like, if someone is mad at a neighbor, they'll tell Cynthia the neighbor might have had something to do with Sean's murder, hoping that she'll pass it along to police. This goes on for years, and in October of 1999, that's when a new lead comes in. A man who just retired from the Middletown state hospital tells police that one of the psychiatric patients, a guy named William, used to threaten to kill staff members, quote, like he killed Sean Edwards. Because of HIPAA laws, the man hadn't been able to come forward when he was an active employee. But he once policed to know about it now. Investigators subpoenaed the hospital records, and when they managed to gather everything a few months later, detective Jerry misch goes through the hundreds of pages, at least ten thick binders. All of it dealing with staff's daily interactions with William. But there is nothing in the records implicating him in anything. And William was actually staying in the hospital at the time of the murder. He was occasionally allowed to leave on a day pass, but he couldn't just come and go as he pleased. He wouldn't have been able to wander around at 5 36 a.m.. And detective misch says there's nothing indicating William was ever missing from the hospital. So, that's it for that lead. But by now, technology has advanced considerably since Sean was killed. So in March of 2000, Middletown detectives meet with the state police forensics team for a case review. And here's where things get messy. For one thing, we don't know who handled or packaged the various pieces of evidence because sergeant Jennings told us that he couldn't find records detailing the chain of custody. A second issue is, at least some of the evidence, including Sean's bloody clothing, was preserved in plastic. According to a forensic scientist and crime scene expert, George skiro, any evidence that's damp or wet needs to be air dried completely and then packaged in unused dry paper containers. If it's left in plastic for more than a couple of hours, the evidence can be altered or destroyed because fungus or mold can start to grow. And listen, it's not like this was unknown science back then. A law enforcement investigations guide that was publicly released by the army in late 1985 says that damp garments should never be put in plastic bags because there's almost always rapid biological change. But I don't know how readily available this information was back then, especially to smaller departments. And I don't know what the common day to today practices were. But based on the condition of Shawn's evidence, the forensic pathologist tells Middletown that it's not clear if their lab will be able to get any DNA results. Although, it does seem like the lab was able to pull something. There was apparently a small sample of unidentified DNA found on a piece of evidence, but we don't have any details about that. And that's because of the third issue. We don't know the results of a lot of lab testing that was conducted because those records also can't be located. Last we heard Middletown was waiting on state police to get back to them with copies of the results, and they were also in the process of digitizing everything that they do have in Sean's case file, which is at least four huge boxes of records. So maybe they have these documents and just weren't able to find them when we spoke with them. I don't know why they aren't digitized or why these important facts aren't more diligently passed down or recorded in some other way is a more systematic problem that I honestly see across a lot of departments. At any rate, during that case review in 2000, the forensic pathologist shares some insight that bolsters the position many of the detectives have already taken, which is that considering Sean's athletic abilities, there was probably more than one assailant. She also tells them it might be worth it to get a blood stained pattern expert to look over the crime scene photos, which they do. That expert says it looks like Sean was standing up when he was stabbed based on the cast off blood stains on the wall behind him. Now I'm sure you guys know this but cast off blood is droplets that are thrown or transmitted onto a surface from a moving source of blood. So a bleeding victim or a bloody weapon being swung around. Now, with the evidence, it seems like all is not lost, because in 2002, after hearing about a new technique that uses gold dust to get fingerprints off clothing, detective mish starts making plans to submit Sean's football jacket for testing. Though it's hard to get fingerprints off fabric at the time, only two agencies were doing this. The U.S. Secret Service and the Royal Canadian mounted police. It takes almost a year to get it set up, but in March of 2003, Secret Service performed the test. But after all of the work that went into making it happen, police are disappointed when it yields nothing. But that same year, police get a tip that once again brings their attention back to Joey. This episode is made possible by sleep number. You guys I officially have it dialed in. Last night, my sleep IQ score was 83, and that was with my sleep number set at 75. Now I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so even 83 isn't perfect to me. 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I thought we already found the knife handle at the scene, wouldn't that have been the murder weapon? But police were never able to definitively conclude that anything found at the crime scene was used as a weapon. So this lead could be huge, especially because some investigators are still convinced that Joey has a hand in this somewhere somehow. So the new owner of the house agrees to let police have access to the basement. Feeling hopeful, officers go down there. They open up the air duct, and they find dust. Another dead end. Then, in 2007, detective mesh interviews someone about Sean, who says that that whole rumor about Sean stealing cocaine from Nelson was a garbled version of telephone. He says that he himself was actually the one who stole the cocaine. From Nelson's drug business partner. It's just one of the many bizarre turns this investigation has taken in the 36 years since Sean's murder. But it honestly makes sense and confirms what everyone has been saying all along that Sean had no involvement in drugs whatsoever. For the Edwards family, it has been decades of questions and grief and even fear because at times the family would get harassing phone calls where the caller would tell them that killers got the wrong sibling, and it should have been one of them who got murdered. They never figured out who was calling, or if the calls were really connected to Sean or just a terrible hoax. They tapered off and eventually stopped, so Cynthia thinks it was someone just screwing with their heads. Although why someone would take the time to do that is just beyond me. But get this, Cynthia had a notebook where she'd write down all of the rumors and stuff people told her about Sean. And at some point, she says someone broke in through the back door of her house, and they actually stole that out of her filing cabinet. And that's the only thing they stole. I don't know if she reported it because Cynthia and Sean's sister Kimberly said that over time, they really lost faith that police cared to help them. They felt like they were fighting an uphill battle alone. And they've had bad experiences with several different investigators. Police say that they've spent thousands of hours trying to get to the bottom of Sean's murder and doing everything they can to catch whoever's responsible. Behind the scenes, they tell us that the investigation is still active. It's cycled through multiple detectives as people have retired, including almost everyone Nina interviewed. The newest investigator, a man named Andrew Rosen says that the investigation has taken two different directions that police are now focusing on. One is still drug related, whether Sean himself was involved in drugs, or if he was just friendly with people in the game, police aren't sure. The other direction is that Sean found out about something that someone didn't want him to know. Exactly what that is, we don't know. All detective Rosen would say is that it's related to some sort of illegal activity. Again, not that Shawn was necessarily involved in it himself, but he might have known about it. Maybe whoever did this thought he was going to tell people something, which if you remember, is kind of what people have been telling Kimberly for years, and it could help explain why Sean was afraid in the time leading up to his death why he was carrying around a weapon. There was still a lot of different theories among retired and active cops. Some think Sean's murder was planned from the beginning, others think it started as a fight and then escalated. To Cynthia, the brutality of the attack makes her think it was deliberate. Someone wanted her son to die. And with advancements in technology, especially forensic genealogy, police say they're optimistic that they'll be able to learn more from the evidence they do have. In fact, detective Rosen says that there are plans in the works for more lab testing. Police have also developed potential new suspects, some of whom were not on the radar during the early investigation. They're being pretty tight lipped when it comes to naming them or discussing them at length. But they did say that several of these people are connected in some way, either loosely like they know each other or more directly, like they might have worked together to kill Sean. As far as older suspects and persons of interest, we tried to track down Timothy fair-weather, but we couldn't find any contact for him, but Nina managed to reach his mother, who said that he wouldn't be interested in speaking with us. None of the phone numbers that we found for Eddie Devlin worked, and other people had passed away, including Joey salgado, John fig Lucy, mister figg, and Nelson. Actually, it looks like Nelson was deported at some point and police heard that he was later killed in Colombia. The good news about some of the newer suspects is they're still alive, which means that if they are responsible, they can be held accountable for murdering a child who is still so missed so many years later. To this day, Kimberly has such a clear picture of Sean. The way he looked the last time she saw him alive, lounging on the couch, happy that big grin on his face, but she's also haunted by another memory. Sean in a casket at his funeral, just a few days after that. Cynthia doesn't understand how this could happen, and the grief that she carries in her heart is always there. And it has been from the moment that she learned her son had been killed. She told us, quote, I didn't let them roam the streets. They had a curfew to get home before dark. He's the last kid I ever thought that would happen to. End quote. Let's help this family get some small measure of comfort. Someone out there knows who is responsible for Sean's murder. So if you have any information about this case, please call the Middletown police at 8 four 5 three four three three one 5
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"See, and he wasn't involved. He says that he didn't even know Sean. Eddie also says that he doesn't know why Timothy told police that he was involved, except that the two of them just never got along, they actually got into a fistfight in school in 1985, but Eddie says that that was the last time they saw each other until like 91 at a bar, where they exchanged a look but didn't even speak. A lieutenant at the sheriff's department in Florida offers to give Eddie a polygraph, and he agrees. When he's done, the person conducting the polygraph says that in his opinion, Eddie is telling the truth. Police don't have enough to charge him with anything. And back in New York, despite his unwillingness to speak with detectives, Joey also agrees to take a polygraph and he passes too, so no charges for him either. That same day, Timothy's case goes to a grand jury, and he's indicted on a second degree murder charge. But by now, Dennis has already started to build a really strong defense. Because Timothy's mother is certain that in January of 1986, Timothy was actually in a youth group home called saint cabrini, which is an hour away from Middletown. Timothy was apparently sent there because he was getting into some trouble. But he hadn't been arrested or anything back then, so we're not talking about a high security setup. I mean, still, the kids who stay there are monitored. And his lawyer realizes that this could be the answer to their prayers. He subpoenas the records from saint cabrini and sure enough, he sees that Timothy's placement there went from December 30th, 1985, through January 31st, 1986. Dennis is now totally convinced that Timothy's confession was bogus. But the records he has won't be enough to satisfy the court. Their general placement records, there's no documentation proving that Timothy was there when Sean was killed. So it's time to get the DA's office on board. Of course, prosecutors want more information. So they send an investigator of their own to the facility to dig deeper. The DA's investigator manages to get more detailed records that show not just placement, but hourly bed checks on the day of the murder. Dennis pours through the records as fast as he can, but in the meantime, a preliminary hearing is held, where police dispute the defense's claims that Timothy's confession was coerced. Detectives who testify say Timothy wasn't scared at all. He was totally calm when they spoke with him, and they were, too, because they didn't think that they were interviewing a suspect. But Dennis says that with a guy like Timothy, police wouldn't have had to be wildly aggressive to get him talking. He was very compliant, and it would have been easy to press his buttons. An article by police interrogation expert Richard a Leo in the journal of the American academy of psychiatry and the law says that people who are highly suggestible or compliant are more likely to falsely confess. Highly suggestible people tend to be unassertive and have higher levels of anxiety. And those in other personality traits can make them more vulnerable to interrogation pressure. Timothy could fit the bill, but maybe that doesn't even matter. Maybe those group home records will be all they need to prove that he wasn't involved. According to Tristan Corden's reporting, the saint cabrini records state that all 43 youths were in their beds from the night of January 15th, 1986 through the next morning. They were checked on every hour from one to 9 a.m., and in that important time window of like four to 6 a.m., staff noted that everyone was asleep and the cottage was clean and quiet. But it might not be the solid piece of evidence the defense thinks it is. This episode was made possible by Etsy, where special doesn't have to mean expensive. I don't know if you guys have met me before, but I adore sequin. And I used to say that I own way too much for someone who lives in Indiana, but I've got this whole new attitude about it now. I have stopped waiting for an occasion to wear it and now I wear a sequin to the office. It's a real moira rose vibe. You would love it, trust me. So I am always on the lookout for new and unique sequin pieces to mix into my wardrobe, and I have found some of the cutest stuff on Etsy. Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category, like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. That's because a sank cabrini staff member who was on duty at the time testifies at the hearing, and according to detective sergeant Jason Jennings, the man admits that he had been caught sleeping on the job once before. And his supervisor told him if it ever happened again he'd be fired. So, as for the group home records being indisputable proof that Timothy was nowhere near Middletown, investigators have their doubts. But his lawyer doesn't agree, he says the attendance records placed Timothy at saint cabrini continuously through the entire month of January in 1986. So if prosecutors want to move ahead, they're going to need to show that the facility's records are wrong. Not just around the time that Sean was murdered, but a couple of days before that when Timothee said that Eddie called him at home to arrange the whole thing. The DA realizes his office probably won't be able to tear apart Timothy's alibi. But there's one more thing that he wants before he just dismisses the murder charge. He asks for a polygraph. Under most circumstances, a defense attorney is not going to urge a defendant to take a polygraph. But this is not most circumstances. Not only is Dennis convinced that a polygraph won't hurt them, he thinks it's going to be the thing that saves Timothy. So on Saturday, October 17th, Timothy is brought in from jail to a library in the DA's office. While he answers questions, his lawyer Dennis, Timothy's mom, the DA and the investigator wait in another room. There's some nervousness in the air. Even though the defense thinks this will go their way with the polygraphs. I mean, you can never be a 100% sure. But Timothy finishes up and right then and there, they find out he passed. That Monday, after 12 days in Orange County jail, Timothy walks out a free man. The DA tells the public that at this point there is no indication that Sean was murdered because he was involved with drugs in some way, so police are back to square one. Detective Bernstein wants to keep going, maybe track down other group home employees, formally interview them, even polygraph them. But the chief tells him it's time to move on, the charge was dismissed, that's it. Cynthia tries to wrap her head around the latest development. I mean, in less than two weeks, there went from being three people potentially facing charges for her son's murder to none. It is a roller coaster ride that she never wanted to get on in the first place. And as much as the Edwards family has been trying to move forward, it's almost impossible to do while they're still being bombarded with rumors. Especially because many of the people who share info have an ulterior motive. Like, if someone is mad at a neighbor, they'll tell Cynthia the neighbor might have had something to do with Sean's murder, hoping that she'll pass it along to police. This goes on for years, and in October of 1999, that's when a new lead comes in. A man who just retired from the Middletown state hospital tells police that one of the psychiatric patients, a guy named William, used to threaten to kill staff members, quote, like
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"To report that someone is laying on the ground by a lower level entranceway. And the person might be drunk. Now these quote unquote down and out calls are pretty common and not usually urgent. But it is 8 below zero, and in weather like this, a person could freeze to death. So officer mish in a rookie he's training head right over. When they pull up to the school a few minutes later, they see the custodian waving them over to a side door off a building that houses the pool in gin. And they can just make out someone a man flat on his back in the doorway. But it's still dark out and according to times Herald record reporters Billy house and Lance Oliver, vandals had smashed out the light over the gym doorways ages ago. So officer misch doesn't get a good look at him until he's standing over the man with his flashlight, and that's when he realizes the victim is a lot younger than he first thought. He's a teenager and only about 5 one maybe a 110 pounds. And this kid is not dressed for the weather at all. No gloves, no heavy coat just sweat pants, a hoodie, and a light windbreaker football jacket. But despite the cold, he's still warm, an officer misch thinks he feels a faint pulse. He immediately radios for an ambulance, but he sees a lot of blood around the teenager's stomach. So he lifts up his shirt to get a better look. And right away, it is clear. This is no simple down and out call. The young man on the ground had been stabbed many times to the point that his stomach was actually opened up. The officer can also see what looks like a big gash on the victim's head, even though he's wearing a do rag. And he notices something interesting. Next to the boy is a pile of what looks like spit. I mean, it's not even frozen, so all signs point to this like just happening. The ambulance gets there a couple of minutes later, but it's too late. Whoever their victim is, he's gone, and police have a homicide to investigate. Officer misch radios for detectives and in the meantime, state police investigators who heard the broadcast start showing up. They do this because they have more resources than smaller departments like Middletown, so they process major crime scenes in the area. And there's plenty to work with here because the entrance way is littered with potential clues. I mean, there's blood everywhere on the wall behind the victim on a big rock near his body in a little trail further down the side of the school. There's also chewed gum and cigarette butts. Though remember, it is 1986, so lots of schools at this time let students smoke on campus, so it's not a weird thing to find. But police collect all of it anyway. And as the sun comes up, they realize the crime scene is larger than they thought, with blood and evidence spread across the lower level school grounds, and this loop of road, which kind of like is a circular driveway that's next to the gym. And in the center of that loop is a grassy island with a railing around it. And on one side of the island, the railing is spotted with blood. And near the other side, police find a knife handle. Even though newspaper articles back then say it was a knife, everyone Nina interviewed today says it was just the handle. And another thing to note is that throughout the grass there is blood and pieces of broken glass. So it's obvious to police, this horrific attack didn't happen all at once, or even in one place, and probably not even at the hands of one perpetrator, considering the brutality. It seems like there was a fight that drifted over some distance, and even a chase, too. In fact, they find blood more than 200 feet away from the victim's body. A small pool of it on a path near another side door that leads to a music room. Detectives wonder if the victim may be stopped there for a minute and bled out. Maybe he was trying to hide or thought he had outpaced whoever was chasing him. And listen, I know this is hard to picture without seeing it, so we actually put together a Google Earth map of the school with some photos, which you can find on our blog post. There have been a lot of renovations since the 1980s with the area is still somewhat recognizable, and you can really get a better sense of what I'm talking about. Anyway, police search nearby storm drains, starting close to the school and working their way into surrounding neighborhoods, hoping to find the blade to go with the knife handle that they found, or really any weapon that might have been used. They also start knocking on doors, asking residents if they saw or heard anything strange. Meanwhile, though, kids have actually started to arrive for school. And I was a little shocked by that, like someone is murdered on the campus and you don't even like close down for the day, but I assume it just all happened so fast. I do know at some point the district did close the school, but I don't know if it was just for a couple of hours or what, because the students were definitely there throughout the day. That article by Lance Oliver and Billy House says that they were actually watching from the windows as police collected evidence early that morning. And mind you, the victim is still laying on the ground. He hasn't even been taken away by the medical examiner yet. And police still don't know who he is. But since he seems to be about high school age and he was found at the high school, a sergeant figures at his best chance at a quick ID is to go inside and look through yearbooks. Now, it's a good idea, but it actually doesn't help. Please then try having a few staff members ID this kid, but they don't recognize him either. So by 9 a.m., still unidentified, he is brought to the hospital morgue. But they don't stay totally in the dark about who he is, because there is a clue about his identity that football jacket he's wearing. It's a blue and white 1984 Middletown junior high school team jacket, with the name Sean embroidered on it. Police have a connection to that football team. Another sergeant is an assistant coach. He's off duty so they call him at home and he tells them yes, there is a Sean on the team. Sean Edwards, who plays running back and linebacker, and he's not a high school student, that's why they've had no luck. He's an 8th grade. Sure enough, a quick check of attendance records at the junior high prove that Shawn never showed up that morning. And the coach slash sergeant officially identifies him around 1115 a.m.. Investigators finished processing the crime scene by lunchtime. The blood is washed away with a fire hose, and students gather by the Jim door searching the nearby grass and snow for any evidence that the cops might have missed. And that's when, over at the warehouse where she works, Cynthia's supervisor calls her into his office and tells her that police need to speak with her right away. Since her sister drove them to work, she borrows a friend's car and rushes home. And that fear that has been building inside of her since the moment she saw that empty couch only grows stronger. Her son is missing and police won't tell her what's going on over the phone. Detectives meet her at home, and they bring her all the way to the station, and that's where they break the news. Her youngest child, her baby, is dead. Not only that, but he's the victim of a cold blooded murder. And during the autopsy that was done that day, investigators find out just how cold blooded it really was. Middletown detective Nicholas derosa told us that he's seen hundreds of autopsies, but never anything like this. Sean had been disemboweled. There were at least 15 stab and slash wounds to his back and stomach. But the stab wounds aren't even the worst of it. He might have actually survived those. It was the blow to the head that killed them. Something the detective describes as beyond blunt force trauma. I mean, his skull is in pieces. Police theorized that the damage could have been done with a baseball bat or a metal pipe, or maybe steel toed boots. There's also a bloody rock that was found at the scene and broken glass, although there were no glass fragments found in Sean's skull. The Orange County coroner estimates that Sean had been dead for maybe an hour when his body was found by the custodian around 6 10 a.m.. Based on officer mischief's recollections, it seems like it could be less time than that, but it's impossible to piece together an accurate timeline of those hours leading up to the murder. Police think that Sean left his house sometime around 11 p.m., but they don't know what he was doing for the 7 or so hours that he was MIA, or where he was doing it. I mean, there were only a handful of spots even open that late in Middletown in the 1980s. A couple of diners, convenience stores, and police can't play Sean at any of them. They also don't know how Sean even got to the school. He didn't ride his bike, which was still at home, and he's 14, so not only does he not have a car, none of his friends do either. But everyone, cops, family, Friends, agree on one thing. He didn't walk. The high school is almost two miles from the Edwards home. It would have been like 45 minutes on foot. Now one thing police knew from just living in the area is that lots of teenagers were taking cabs around Middletown, and they knew that Sean did too. So detectives were questioning drivers from two local companies, but they all say that they don't know anything about him taking a taxi that night. But to cab drivers who asked not to be identified, tell reporters Lance Oliver and Billy house that they heard Sean did take a cab Wednesday to a shopping Plaza near the high school that has a movie theater. And at first, listen, I'm like, okay, well, if the cab driver is lying, maybe he's involved. But this is why I have a podcast and not a badge because it turns out it was actually one of Sean's brothers who called the cab to the shopping Plaza. He picked up some food and came right back to the house. Plus, detective learned something interesting when they speak with one of Sean's neighbors. An elderly woman who lives a couple of houses down. This episode was made possible by sleep number. You guys I officially have it dialed in. Last night, my sleep IQ score was 83, and that was with my sleep number set at 75. Now I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so even 83 isn't perfect to me. I'm using the sleep IQ data that I'm given from my bed to continually dial it in even more. 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But no one knows who that driver might be. Because no one knows who Sean was with that night. He had a few crushes, but there was no girlfriend in the picture, so nothing to pursue on that end, and all his friends say that they weren't with him and they didn't see or hear from him. Sean's family figures that if anyone knows what's going on, it's his friend Billy. But Billy says that he doesn't know what happened or where Sean might have been. He even takes a polygraph which he passes. Through the rumor mill, police hear that there might have been a party, but when they track down people who were there, no one had seen Sean, and most of them don't even know who he is. But here's the thing, I mean, Sean had to have been somewhere, right? The weird thing is, police did a premise check at the high school between four ten and four 20 a.m.. It was part of their regular routine and apparently at that time there was nothing out of the ordinary. Now to be fair, I don't know how thorough that check was like if the officer went around the whole school, maybe just pulled up to the main entrance or what? But it's hard to believe that Sean or anyone would just be hanging around outside the school for hours. Again, in the freezing cold, and by the way, Sean hated the cold. Why would he leave the house in the dead of winter with just a sweatshirt in a lightweight nylon windbreaker? But there is something interesting about that windbreaker. His sister says that Shawn was already wearing it while he was on the couch watching the movie. So even though his mom told him he couldn't go out, something about that makes me think that maybe he was planning to. Although if he was, it doesn't seem like he was planning to be out long. But even why he went out is a mystery to this very day. And the true key to unlocking it could be the phone call that Sean got just before he sneaked out. In my mind, someone lured him out of the house, bind the caller and maybe you've got your guy. And that's what makes something detective derosa told us so heartbreaking. Because investigators discuss getting what's known as a phone dump. But for some reason, it doesn't happen. Detective Derozan told us, quote, for $500, you contact the phone company. And they'll give you the last 24 hours of phone calls that came in and went out of that house. They wanted us to do some more work first, and that would have been fine. We were going to continue working, but in the meantime, you have 24 hours to capture this. After that, it's gone. End quote. But you see, that phone dump for whatever reason never happened. Detective derosa says in his opinion, he thinks it didn't happen for financial reasons. Whoever was in charge of making those decisions didn't want to spend the money. Middletown detective sergeant Jason Jennings confirmed that no phone dump was done back then. But he says he doesn't know why. Again, that guy rob that Cynthia heard Shawn mentioned on the phone might be a dead end. She doesn't remember him hanging out with anyone by that name. So without the phone records to help them narrow their focus, police try to look for someone who may be headed out for Sean. But they can't find anyone. I mean, this kid had no enemies. He was well liked, kind of a class clown friendly and charismatic. No one knows why someone would want to hurt him, let alone kill him. But something was bothering him because several of his friends tell detectives that over the past couple of months, Shawn had started carrying kitchen or hunting knives around with him for protection, and he was saying that his life was in danger. But none of his friends know why he felt that way. And this is literally a crime junkie life rule that if, again, you have a secret, something like this, something big that you fear you have to tell someone. And honestly, I have to believe he did. It is unreal for me to think that he was telling this to people and carrying around weapons and nobody had any idea why? I just think people to this day haven't come forward to give information. Meanwhile, without much solid info to go on, rumors begin flying. And lots of these rumors involve allegations that Sean was selling drugs. Carl Dubois, another detective on the case, says drug involvement often comes up as an early theory when a homicide involves young people. Even though in Sean's case, there's really nothing pointing to it besides the rumors. Police didn't find any drug paraphernalia at the scene, and Shawn's name had never come across any officer's deaths because he had never been in trouble with the law. I mean, he had never been in trouble period. His sister says that he was still very much a kid. Even as he was starting to grow up, like one minute, he'd be playing with his toy trucks and the next minute he'd be out in the football field with his teammates. His sister Kimberly told us, quote, he was the best of all 5 of us. He was the most gentlest one. The most happiest one. The one that listened to everything mom said. That was the only night that he disobeyed mom in his life. One time, and that one time cost him his life. According to Lance Oliver's reporting, more than a dozen friends and classmates who spoke with reporters are adamant that Sean did not use or sell drugs. And when his blood tests came back, there were no traces of anything in his system. But one rumor in particular is super persistent. Word around town is that Sean had ripped off a Colombian drug dealer named Nelson, and the rumor was that Nelson killed him in retaliation. Now, investigators say that Nelson is kind of, quote unquote, nerdy. So if Sean did owe him money or stole drugs from him, he'd get others to do his dirty work for him. And from what police are hearing, those others might include two guys who were right down the street from the high school around the time Sean was murdered. 18 year old Eddie Devlin and 17 year old Joseph salgado, who also goes by Jose, but lots of people just call him Joey. Eddie and Joey were at a nearby convenience store with another friend. One of their girlfriends works overnight Sarah's a cashier and apparently they would just go hang out for hours. I'm not sure if Eddie had a criminal history by then, but Joey does. Based on court records, he had gotten in trouble as a juvenile. For something to do with tombstones and burning the American flag. But police say he also has a reputation for being violent. And he and Nelson definitely know one another. Detectives question Eddie and Joey a couple of times, but they can't connect the dots to shine. And the girlfriend who works at the store tells police that Eddie and Joey were there all night. They didn't leave. To Sean's heartbroken family, honestly, all of this drug gossip is just salt in the wound. They don't believe the stories for a minute. And for all the extra grief that the rumors bring, none of them have panned out by the time he's laid to rest on Monday, January 20th. According to Billy house's reporting, a 150 friends and relatives gather to say goodbye on that cold and rainy afternoon. Inside the Middletown's second baptist church, the pastor implores everyone to have faith and tells them that no matter what there's a higher court waiting for whoever killed Sean. Outside of the church, detectives are keeping track of people coming and going. A frustrated lieutenant tells the time Harold record that police haven't ruled out anything, because how can they rule something out if they don't have anything solid to begin with? But behind the scenes, they have started to develop some more plausible theories and suspects, which takes the investigation in drastically different directions. And one of those directions is very close to home. Sean's dad, Melvin. When Cynthia called Melvin that night, he was supposed to drive around looking for Sean. But instead, he apparently went to have coffee at a diner about a half mile from the high school. He stayed there for a while, and then possibly checked a couple of places. Detective derosa says some investigators thought that Melvin did find Sean, and that he was so angry about his son sneaking out. He killed him. Now I don't know how close Melvin is with his kids at this point. Kimberly says Cynthia was really a single mother. To some extent, even before she and Melvin separated in 1983. So it doesn't sound like he was very involved in a day to today sense. But whatever faults he may have had as a parent, his family says that he was never violent, and they don't think that he has anything to do with this. Plus, Melvin is in his mid 40s. He's short and heavy set. Kimberly says that he was also a heavy smoker and Shawn was young and athletic. Everyone says he ran like the wind, so it's hard to picture his father being able to catch up with him, even if he wanted to. He also didn't seem angry that night, and he's honestly grief stricken after Shawn's death. But a state police investigator assigned to work with Middletown PD really latches onto this idea. Melvin's boots are even collected and sent out for lab testing with the rest of the evidence found at the scene. When Melvin is questioned, he insists he had nothing to do with this. And on January 28th, he agrees to take a polygraph. But the results are not great. Even though he doesn't outright fail, the person conducting the polygraph says he doesn't think Melvin is telling the truth when he denies guilty knowledge of the crime. And a woman named Betty who he's been dating tells detectives that she's worried about him, because he's acting really odd. Paranoid and convinced that police are following him everywhere, which like they probably were. I don't think it's unreasonable for him to think that. Although he's hardly the only focus of the investigation. Police are being inundated with tips from the community and playing what seems like an endless, aggravating game of telephone that goes nowhere. Everyone they interview heard something from someone who heard it from someone else and tracking all of these rumors to their source keeps them running in circles. But at the tail end of January, a lead comes in that actually seems legit. 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She admits that she sent it to herself. Police don't have time to even dwell on this red herring. Because another promising lead comes in, from multiple people, a teenage boy in a neighboring school district has been going around bragging to his friends that he was the one who killed Sean. Detectives swoop in to interrogate him, but he says he didn't really kill Shawn. He was just trying to look tough and quote just having a little fun. He passes a polygraph and his parents say that he was home with them all night. So police are pretty confident that he was just bluffing, making some horrible hoax. And it's on to the next lead. This time from a self proclaimed psychic, one of several who have reached out. She says that she was reading the local newspaper when a premonition hit her. Shawn's killer is the man in a photo on page 17. She says, his eyes give him away. And detectives actually check him out. I mean, at this point, why not? But once again, it ends up being nothing. Investigators pull attendance records from the high school. If students are involved, they might not have shown up for class later that day. We're not sure how many kids were there on Thursday, January 16th because of how chaotic it was, but the next day, Friday, January 17th, 311 students were either absent or late, mostly absent. Based on enrollment, that's nearly one in 5. Too many to actually draw any conclusions from. Nothing really happens then until late in February when a new lead emerges. And investigators think this one might have some merit. A tipster says that they saw a 1975 gray Chevrolet Camaro idling in a park about a block and a half from Sean's house between 11 p.m. and midnight on January 15th. Right around the time they think he snuck out. Not only that, apparently the car matches the description of a car seen by another person, hours later between 5 and 6 a.m., parked right near the high school. And this car is easy to spot because it has custom license plates that say mister figg. So on Friday, February 21st, police issue an all points bulletin for this car, along with a press release. But in a bizarre twist, they publicly walk it back a couple of days later. After a 34 year old man named John fig Lucy figures out that they're talking about his car. John tells reporter Lance Oliver that he only learned police were looking for the Camaro when his wife read about the license plate description in the times Harold record. And when he finds out he is livid, he says he doesn't know anything about the murder, that he just went to speak with police after seeing the newspaper and it was the first time that they had talked to him about Sean's case. In fact, he says he didn't even buy the car until a couple of weeks after Sean was killed. Now, there are a couple of conflicting accounts when it comes to this car. According to the times Herald record, a guy named Chris used to own the Camaro, and Chris told reporters that he had recently sold it to a man who offered to pay in cash, but Chris couldn't remember the buyer's name or exactly when he sold it to him. John, meanwhile, told the newspaper that he had gotten the car on January 28th, and the license plates a couple of weeks after that. He also says that police told him that they didn't give reporters the information about the car, and they aren't responsible for what the newspaper prince. We got some different info from sergeant Jennings. Now he says that John told police he bought the car on January 25th. And when detectives interviewed the person who sold it to him, who is apparently a woman, not a guy named Chris, she kind of corroborated the date of sale. Not to the day exactly, but that time period. She also says that the car wasn't running when John bought it, which seems to be backed up by another person, a guy who's been fixing the car for John. That guy told police that the car was up on Jack stands without a transmission until at least January 20th. And that it was at his own house for a couple of weeks before that. And listen, if this mishmash of conflicting dates and stories wasn't confusing enough, after all this crap hits the fan, police tell a local radio station that the mister fig car does not factor into Sean's murder after all, but they're still looking for similar cars. Now, we know that there was some back and forth between local and state police about this. It sounds like the information wasn't supposed to ever even be released. And the local department heads are trying to distance themselves from it. But despite what investigators are telling the public and John, they are absolutely still looking at him. Because police consider him to be a major player in the local drug scene. Detective Barry Bernstein told us, quote, we believed at one time that Sean might have been a dealer for him, that he may have crossed fig and either fig had him killed or killed him himself. But for all these rumors that Sean was selling drugs, police can't find one person, whoever admittedly bought any from him. And while people might be lying to hide their own drug use, we're talking about dozens upon dozens upon dozens of interviews. It's hard to believe that they wouldn't be able to find a single person to confirm this. You can't really be a drug dealer if you know no one knows you're a drug dealer or no one's buying your drugs. And Cynthia can't believe that no one knows what happened to her son. She thinks Sean's Friends seemed scared. But whether they're scared because they know more than they're willing to admit or because their friend had been murdered or both, that isn't clear. People are always telling Kimberly that they've heard rumors that Sean saw something that he wasn't supposed to see, which if true could be why he had been afraid recently. But no one can say what this thing he saw might be. Now all along, Melvin, his dad is still under suspicion. So police decide to set up a second polygraph for him in December of 1986. They know he works a lot, including late hours and taking a polygraph when you're tired can skew the results, so they tell him to stay home the night before and get some sleep. Bright and early on a Saturday morning detectives arrive at Melvin's to bring him to New York City for the test just like planned. But when they arrive, his car is gone, and so is he. Neighbors say that he didn't come home the night before, and when they call his job, he answers the phone. Melvin explains that he had to work a couple of extra hours, but since he wasn't supposed to be there to begin with, the story doesn't add up for police. Now he still takes the polygraph, but it's inconclusive. So police decide to dig deeper, Melvin at the time is dating a woman named Diane, who just happens to be detective derosa's former grade school classmate because why not, right? And Diane says that Melvin calls her pretty frequently. Detective derosa hadn't bought into the Melvin theory in the first place, but the polygraph thing did make him a little suspicious. So he asked Diane if police can record her conversations with Melvin, maybe he'll admit to something. She agrees, but they don't learn anything useful. Melvin tells Diane that police are suspicious of him, but that he didn't do anything to his son. And at the end of the day, most everyone in law enforcement believes him. The general theory is that more than one person was involved in Sean's murder. And whoever did this is probably around Sean's age. Someone fast like him because he's not just going to stand there and let someone stab him. So despite all their work, the first anniversary of Sean's murder comes and goes with no answers. Cynthia spends the day putting reward posters up around town. But as time passes, fewer leads come in, and things quiet down for a while. Until the summer of 1987, when an unrelated and horrific home invasion puts an early suspect back in the hot seat. I'm going to tell you all about that in part two. You can either listen right now in the fan club or I'll be back in your feeds with part two next week. But if you want to listen early again, you can listen right now in the fan club. You can sign up on our website crime junkie podcast dot
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"To report that someone is laying on the ground by a lower level entranceway. And the person might be drunk. Now these quote unquote down and out calls are pretty common and not usually urgent. But it is 8 below zero, and in weather like this, a person could freeze to death. So officer mish in a rookie he's training head right over. When they pull up to the school a few minutes later, they see the custodian waving them over to a side door off a building that houses the pool in gin. And they can just make out someone a man flat on his back in the doorway. But it's still dark out and according to times Herald record reporters Billy house and Lance Oliver, vandals had smashed out the light over the gym doorways ages ago. So officer misch doesn't get a good look at him until he's standing over the man with his flashlight, and that's when he realizes the victim is a lot younger than he first thought. He's a teenager and only about 5 one maybe a 110 pounds. And this kid is not dressed for the weather at all. No gloves, no heavy coat just sweat pants, a hoodie, and a light windbreaker football jacket. But despite the cold, he's still warm, an officer misch thinks he feels a faint pulse. He immediately radios for an ambulance, but he sees a lot of blood around the teenager's stomach. So he lifts up his shirt to get a better look. And right away, it is clear. This is no simple down and out call. The young man on the ground had been stabbed many times to the point that his stomach was actually opened up. The officer can also see what looks like a big gash on the victim's head, even though he's wearing a do rag. And he notices something interesting. Next to the boy is a pile of what looks like spit. I mean, it's not even frozen, so all signs point to this like just happening. The ambulance gets there a couple of minutes later, but it's too late. Whoever their victim is, he's gone, and police have a homicide to investigate. Officer misch radios for detectives and in the meantime, state police investigators who heard the broadcast start showing up. They do this because they have more resources than smaller departments like Middletown, so they process major crime scenes in the area. And there's plenty to work with here because the entrance way is littered with potential clues. I mean, there's blood everywhere on the wall behind the victim on a big rock near his body in a little trail further down the side of the school. There's also chewed gum and cigarette butts. Though remember, it is 1986, so lots of schools at this time let students smoke on campus, so it's not a weird thing to find. But police collect all of it anyway. And as the sun comes up, they realize the crime scene is larger than they thought, with blood and evidence spread across the lower level school grounds, and this loop of road, which kind of like is a circular driveway that's next to the gym. And in the center of that loop is a grassy island with a railing around it. And on one side of the island, the railing is spotted with blood. And near the other side, police find a knife handle. Even though newspaper articles back then say it was a knife, everyone Nina interviewed today says it was just the handle. And another thing to note is that throughout the grass there is blood and pieces of broken glass. So it's obvious to police, this horrific attack didn't happen all at once, or even in one place, and probably not even at the hands of one perpetrator, considering the brutality. It seems like there was a fight that drifted over some distance, and even a chase, too. In fact, they find blood more than 200 feet away from the victim's body. A small pool of it on a path near another side door that leads to a music room. Detectives wonder if the victim may be stopped there for a minute and bled out. Maybe he was trying to hide or thought he had outpaced whoever was chasing him. And listen, I know this is hard to picture without seeing it, so we actually put together a Google Earth map of the school with some photos, which you can find on our blog post. There have been a lot of renovations since the 1980s with the area is still somewhat recognizable, and you can really get a better sense of what I'm talking about. Anyway, police search nearby storm drains, starting close to the school and working their way into surrounding neighborhoods, hoping to find the blade to go with the knife handle that they found, or really any weapon that might have been used. They also start knocking on doors, asking residents if they saw or heard anything strange. Meanwhile, though, kids have actually started to arrive for school. And I was a little shocked by that, like someone is murdered on the campus and you don't even like close down for the day, but I assume it just all happened so fast. I do know at some point the district did close the school, but I don't know if it was just for a couple of hours or what, because the students were definitely there throughout the day. That article by Lance Oliver and Billy House says that they were actually watching from the windows as police collected evidence early that morning. And mind you, the victim is still laying on the ground. He hasn't even been taken away by the medical examiner yet. And police still don't know who he is. But since he seems to be about high school age and he was found at the high school, a sergeant figures at his best chance at a quick ID is to go inside and look through yearbooks. Now, it's a good idea, but it actually doesn't help. Please then try having a few staff members ID this kid, but they don't recognize him either. So by 9 a.m., still unidentified, he is brought to the hospital morgue. But they don't stay totally in the dark about who he is, because there is a clue about his identity that football jacket he's wearing. It's a blue and white 1984 Middletown junior high school team jacket, with the name Sean embroidered on it. Police have a connection to that football team. Another sergeant is an assistant coach. He's off duty so they call him at home and he tells them yes, there is a Sean on the team. Sean Edwards, who plays running back and linebacker, and he's not a high school student, that's why they've had no luck. He's an 8th grade. Sure enough, a quick check of attendance records at the junior high prove that Shawn never showed up that morning. And the coach slash sergeant officially identifies him around 1115 a.m.. Investigators finished processing the crime scene by lunchtime. The blood is washed away with a fire hose, and students gather by the Jim door searching the nearby grass and snow for any evidence that the cops might have missed. And that's when, over at the warehouse where she works, Cynthia's supervisor calls her into his office and tells her that police need to speak with her right away. Since her sister drove them to work, she borrows a friend's car and rushes home. And that fear that has been building inside of her since the moment she saw that empty couch only grows stronger. Her son is missing and police won't tell her what's going on over the phone. Detectives meet her at home, and they bring her all the way to the station, and that's where they break the news. Her youngest child, her baby, is dead. Not only that, but he's the victim of a cold blooded murder. And during the autopsy that was done that day, investigators find out just how cold blooded it really was. Middletown detective Nicholas derosa told us that he's seen hundreds of autopsies, but never anything like this. Sean had been disemboweled. There were at least 15 stab and slash wounds to his back and stomach. But the stab wounds aren't even the worst of it. He might have actually survived those. It was the blow to the head that killed them. Something the detective describes as beyond blunt force trauma. I mean, his skull is in pieces. Police theorized that the damage could have been done with a baseball bat or a metal pipe, or maybe steel toed boots. There's also a bloody rock that was found at the scene and broken glass, although there were no glass fragments found in Sean's skull. The Orange County coroner estimates that Sean had been dead for maybe an hour when his body was found by the custodian around 6 10 a.m.. Based on officer mischief's recollections, it seems like it could be less time than that, but it's impossible to piece together an accurate timeline of those hours leading up to the murder. Police think that Sean left his house sometime around 11 p.m., but they don't know what he was doing for the 7 or so hours that he was MIA, or where he was doing it. I mean, there were only a handful of spots even open that late in Middletown in the 1980s. A couple of diners, convenience stores, and police can't play Sean at any of them. They also don't know how Sean even got to the school. He didn't ride his bike, which was still at home, and he's 14, so not only does he not have a car, none of his friends do either. But everyone, cops, family, Friends, agree on one thing. He didn't walk. The high school is almost two miles from the Edwards home. It would have been like 45 minutes on foot. Now one thing police knew from just living in the area is that lots of teenagers were taking cabs around Middletown, and they knew that Sean did too. So detectives were questioning drivers from two local companies, but they all say that they don't know anything about him taking a taxi that night. But to cab drivers who asked not to be identified, tell reporters Lance Oliver and Billy house that they heard Sean did take a cab Wednesday to a shopping Plaza near the high school that has a movie theater. And at first, listen, I'm like, okay, well, if the cab driver is lying, maybe he's involved. But this is why I have a podcast and not a badge because it turns out it was actually one of Sean's brothers who called the cab to the shopping Plaza. He picked up some food and came right back to the house. Plus, detective learned something interesting when they speak with one of Sean's neighbors. An elderly woman who lives a couple of houses down. This episode was made possible by sleep number. You guys I officially have it dialed in. Last night, my sleep IQ score was 83, and that was with my sleep number set at 75. Now I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so even 83 isn't perfect to me. I'm using the sleep IQ data that I'm given from my bed to continually dial it in even more. 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So I am always on the lookout for new and unique sequin pieces to mix into my wardrobe, and I have found some of the cutest stuff on Etsy. Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category, like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. Her adult son has a medical condition that requires constant care and because of that, she's awake most nights, and she tells police that she definitely would have heard a car pull up outside of Sean's house, but she didn't hear a thing that night. So if he did catch a ride, he must have gone down the block or something to meet up with the driver. But no one knows who that driver might be. Because no one knows who Sean was with that night. He had a few crushes, but there was no girlfriend in the picture, so nothing to pursue on that end, and all his friends say that they weren't with him and they didn't see or hear from him. Sean's family figures that if anyone knows what's going on, it's his friend Billy. But Billy says that he doesn't know what happened or where Sean might have been. He even takes a polygraph which he passes. Through the rumor mill, police hear that there might have been a party, but when they track down people who were there, no one had seen Sean, and most of them don't even know who he is. But here's the thing, I mean, Sean had to have been somewhere, right? The weird thing is, police did a premise check at the high school between four ten and four 20 a.m.. It was part of their regular routine and apparently at that time there was nothing out of the ordinary. Now to be fair, I don't know how thorough that check was like if the officer went around the whole school, maybe just pulled up to the main entrance or what? But it's hard to believe that Sean or anyone would just be hanging around outside the school for hours. Again, in the freezing cold, and by the way, Sean hated the cold.
Crime Junkie
"moira rose" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"This episode was made possible by Etsy, where special doesn't have to mean expensive. I don't know if you guys have met me before, but I adore sequin. And I used to say that I own way too much for someone who lives in Indiana, but I've got this whole new attitude about it now. I have stopped waiting for an occasion to wear it and now I wear a sequin to the office. It's a real moira rose vibe. You would love it, trust me. So I am always on the lookout for new and unique sequin pieces to mix into my wardrobe, and I have found some of the cutest stuff on Etsy. Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. Now a word from our sponsor better help. Recently, I had a physical, and it was like this long three hour process where I did blood work, and they checked my skin and my organs, and I mean, everything, except my mental health, which seems bananas since quite literally, you use your brain for everything and how you experience the world around you, how you input information, how you react with people completely affects your life. So it's important to invest time and care into keeping your mind healthy. Better help is online therapy that offers video phone and even live chat only therapy session. So you don't have to see anyone on camera if you don't want to. It's much more affordable than in person therapy, and it's available worldwide. Better help will assess your needs and the can match you with your own accredited therapist in under 48 hours. Visit better help dot com slash crime junkie and join the over 2 million people who have taken charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at better help dot com slash crime junkie. That's better HELP dot com slash crime junkie. They find out that Cedric actually reported the suburban, stolen, way back on August 13th, 2020. Cedric told police that he was driving the suburban near a hotel that he was staying at. When he started having some transmission or engine trouble. So he pulled over to a grassy area off the roadway by an exit. He says that he locked the SUV up and walked over to the hotel, and later he walked back to the place that he left the car, but it was just gone. So that evening, he and a woman go to the station in Georgia to report it stolen. They pull up in a different car, obviously, and they file a report with police. But get this, when officers investigated Cedric's claim, they couldn't find a single thing to corroborate it. In fact, there's no proof that the suburban was ever at the hotel to begin with. Like police in Georgia checked the hotel's surveillance cameras and they didn't see Cedric leaving the hotel parking lot in the suburban. They didn't see him walking back to the hotel, like none of his narrative checked out. Not to mention in the spot that he said it was stolen from, there was no broken glass, no tire marks, no evidence at all that a car was ever there. In fact, police were so sure that he was lying, they threatened to charge him with filing a false report. He didn't admit to anything, but he also apparently didn't really deny it either, like he didn't put up a fight. Now I don't know when exactly police in Georgia decided that it was a false claim. But because of that determination, they didn't enter it into the national database of stolen vehicles, so when investigators on donitz case would look it up, there was no indication that it had ever been reported stolen. And by the way, Cedric filed a claim with his insurance company, which the company paid. They had no clue police considered it a false report until detective hands calls them. I can't find a new record of him getting in trouble with his insurance agency over this, but know who does land in some trouble? Daniel. In October of 2021, he was arrested again for failing to appear in court. And not long after that, his house burns down. Though police aren't classifying it as suspicious. I guess his house wasn't in great shape and according to W FIE 14 news, the fire is ruled to be accidental and like electrical in nature. They don't identify Daniel as the person who lives there, but he told authorities that he was in the living room and heard a popping noise in his bedroom and then he saw the flames behind his entertainment center. Now, Daniel and Cedric are not mentioned by name in any of the news coverage. And police are not calling them suspects at that point. Although I noticed that in the official national missing persons database name is, not only is Cedric named, but he's referred to as a possible suspect. Though officially, when we talk to detective hands, he says they have no suspects. And we did try to contact both men for comment. We did get ahold of Cedric, who said that he was busy and would have to call this back the following day, specifically in the afternoon because he had court in the morning. And he was telling the truth about that, his divorce was finalized during that morning court appearance. But he never answered the phone for us again, or returned our calls or any of the text messages we sent. We really wanted to speak with his ex-wife, specifically about the SUV because police think that she might have been the woman in the car with him when he reported the suburban stolen. In response to a message that we sent her, she told us that she had no connection to done it, and that she had already spoken with her family and with detectives and she's tired of being harassed about this. She said that she and Cedric were legally married when this whole thing started, but they weren't together. And that he had been seeing another woman who's now his fiance, a woman she referred to as his mistress. Now, it's worth noting it's unlikely that this new fiance was the woman with Cedric when he reported the vehicle stolen because detective hands got the body cam footage from an officer in Georgia who spoke with Cedric that night and the woman with him is black. And his now fiance is white. So that fiance is not the one in the video. But police can't say for sure that his ex-wife is the woman in the video. And we can't follow up to ask her because after she sent us that message, she blocked us. None of the numbers we found for Daniel worked, although Nina did reach his
Crime Junkie
"moira rose" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"Yes. No, not at all. Because James says that he never knew Joe junior even existed. It's unlikely he had anything to do with Joseph's murder in Florida. But could it have been someone else that he or Joe senior was tied up with? I don't know, it could be, but to me, Joe's senior seemed a little too low level for that kind of retaliation, but here's the thing because we can't see de Soto county sheriff's office case files, it's hard to know how much they actually explored any potential connection. And we also don't know how much effort they put into investigating another important lead in Joe junior's case. And that involves a mysterious letter that Kathy received about a year after Joseph's murder. This episode was made possible by Etsy, where special doesn't have to mean expensive. I don't know if you guys have met me before, but I adore sequin. And I used to say that I own way too much for someone who lives in Indiana, but I've got this whole new attitude about it now. I have stopped waiting for an occasion to wear it and now I wear a sequin to the office. It's a real moira rose vibe. You would love it, trust me. So I am always on the lookout for new and unique sequin pieces to mix into my wardrobe, and I have found some of the cutest stuff on Etsy. Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. According to Kathy, one day out of the blue in late 2000, she goes to check her mail at her trailer in Arcadia and she finds an envelope addressed to her from a sender that she doesn't recognize. Now by that point, she'd actually moved back to Arcadia full-time and she wasn't renting her old trailer anymore, but she did keep the old address. Kathy said that the letter came from someone in prison, she knew because the return address was from a correctional facility. Now right away, she got a sinking feeling in her gut, so she gave the letter to her daughter in law to read, and it was very disturbing. The letter detailed everything that happened to her son. What happened? Where it happened, how it happened. And listen, I know we have come across a number of hoaxes like this in other cases. But I can't write this one totally off. I mean, the prisoner sent it to her home address in Arcadia, which means that they had to at least have known her in 1999 or known the family well enough to know where they lived. According to Cathy, the contents of the letter suggested that multiple people were present when Joseph was stabbed in the field. It suggested that a group of guys jumped him or chased him. The only problem is we don't know anything more than that. Cathy said that after her daughter in law read the letter and gave Kathy the highlights, her daughter in law handed it over to de Soto county sheriff's office, and where it went from there, we have no idea. Delia followed up with the daughter in law to get like a more firsthand account of what she remembers, but she actually declined to participate. Cathy said that she had followed up with detectives not long after receiving the letter, and they told her that they had done some digging on the guy who wrote it, but in the end investigators said that they felt it wasn't a credible lead because they determined that the letter writer was in jail when Joseph was killed. But I feel like I'm missing something major because to me, just because he was in jail, again, I don't know the contents of the letter, but as far as I understand, it's not like he was saying that he was an eyewitness or like at the actual murder like couldn't he have still talked to people who were there or who were involved if all of these different people were supposed to have been present. Again, I mean, we're talking about like several local guys tied up in this. It doesn't seem that far fetched to me that he's hearing something from someone else. But unfortunately, because I can't read the letter for myself, and I don't know any more about this inmate. This is just one of those huge question marks in the case. After 23 years of rumors and hearing things in having time to think about all of the possibilities, Kathy is the most convinced that Joseph's murder had something to do with people that he saw and had interacted with the night that he died. People who were teenagers back in 1999 or at least young adults. Many of them are still around today, and the only thing that Kathy wants more than her son back is for people who know something to come forward and give her those answers. I don't think people that were involved in that should be out and about and I don't know how they can live knowing what they did. I wish they would. Come up and say that they did it, why they did it. Give me some clothes. It's been too long. I think the one thing that we don't talk about enough in true crime cases is the ripple effect it has. It's not just isolated to the victim entire, families are change and can feel those reverberations for years to come. Joseph's brother Justin went on to get mixed up in a lot of bad stuff and he has a criminal history of his own now. Cathy says the reason she thinks Justin's life went downhill is because after Joseph's murder in 99, she kind of went numb and stopped caring for Justin like she should have, and he went wayward. In a way, Kathy lost two sons, Joseph is gone and the person Justin could have been is gone too. Not even to mention the part of Kathy that died with Joseph. I think Joseph's case needs another hard look from the sheriff's office. In more than anything, if what Cathy was told is true and there was blood at the scene that did not belong to Joseph, now is the time to take a second look at that. Alongside narrowing down their suspect pool by going over their old reports and re interviewing surviving witnesses from the house party, I think this case is completely solvable. Someone just has to be willing to put in the work and not let this case be forgotten forever. Joseph Kendall's life mattered. His family deserves closure. They deserve peace. If Joseph had lived past his 16th birthday, he'd be almost 40 years old today. He'd probably be a father, a husband and uncle, and still a wonderful son to Cathy. His mother, who believes that one day her son's killer will, face justice. Anyone with information about Joseph's murder is asked to call the criminal investigations division of the DeSoto county sheriff's office at 863-993-4700, or you can call the Southwest Florida crime stoppers at one 807 8 zero tips. Now specifically on the website for the DeSoto county sheriff's office, it says, quote, those who have withheld information about the homicide and are not involved will not face criminal charges for failing to come forward thus far, which means just like I believe, the county sheriff believes that someone out there knows something, and now it is time to come
Can I Pet Your Dog?
"moira rose" Discussed on Can I Pet Your Dog?
"Hey, Alexis. I hear that. Do you know what time it is? No, what time is it? It is time for a my mutt minute. Marathon. We have three for you today, very, very exciting. The first of which is indie, chutney, and Vivian. Hit it. Whoo. Hello. I'm here to tell you about my two corgis chutney and Vivian. Chutney is a pandemic puppy who we got about a year ago. Chutney will do anything for food and does not care for humans unless they're feeding him. He's very enthusiastic about other dogs though. Vivian is an ex show dog who is won many awards. We got her recently after we got chutney. You see, chutney was getting lonely when we first had him. And we realized that he needed a friend. We looked to see what dogs were up for adoption and checked in with the breeder daily. She told us that one of the dogs that was available was Vivian, chutneys mother. So, we adopted her about a year after we got chutney. Chutney has a white stripe on his head, which is one of the ways that you can tell the difference between them. Time. Oh, boy, oh, boy oh boy. That you knocked that out of the park, Indy. That was incredible. Now Alexis, am I to be, did I follow this properly that it is now a mother and son Dream Team? Yes. Come on. And the way it was told it was such a fun twist. Did we get a new dog? That dog? Chutney is mom. Is he his mother? I do need you to move to Hollywood immediately and start writing TV shows because that is the twist no one saw coming. Oh, I really really didn't loved it now. I am on chutney side, and then I don't really get what's unless they're giving me a treat. Yeah. As you know what? I'd rather be with dogs. I'd rather be with dogs, unless you have a tree, in which case I'm listening. Yeah, I'd love you to please if you have a treat. Yeah. And to imagine a imagine this. So you're chutney. You're feeling a little bit lonely. And you only like dogs. There's only humans around. Now I guarantee that chutney loves his family. Loves himself. And they're like, hey, we're going to get we're going to get your friend. Yeah. And then the friend is your mom. It's so cute. I wish we could be there for the day that they got. Oh my God. That's so cute. Also, just has the perfect little hello in the beginning that I was like, I'm going to set that for my ringtone, is this going to be someone going hello? It really is brightened my day. Just that hello. So now you hear me. We are married to this Jurassic Park theme song for sprinklers. Oh, yes. Hear me out. What if it was indie? Sprinkler and the sprinkler goes, hello. And then you're like, oh, yeah, okay. Thank you. For introducing me. Thank you for letting me know your presents. Okay. We'll work on that deal for you, Andy. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. This was so so good. Corgis are the cutest. I am picturing a moira rose. Son type of combo right there where they're doing Christmas presentations together. David? David, yes. More. Ew, David. Together together. I was having that David. That's my dream. It's my dream. That's my dream. I hope that's how that relationship goes. Well, we can all open through. Listen, but we're not done. No, there is more where that came from. Up next, we have Rebecca and Marley. Hit it. Whoo. My name is Becca, and I'm here to tell you about my part time dog Marley. Marley, according to me and everyone else looks like a new feed border collie mix with some Burmese mountain dog thrown in. He has a stubborn streak and is sometimes referred to as mister BC McCaffrey pants, as well as Marley mu, bud bear and Marlon Brando. I've fostered him at the beginning of the pandemic with my former roommate who later adopted him. When he first arrived, he was not always great with other dogs, especially small ones, but over time he has adapted so well that if towns had dog mirrors he would undoubtedly be ours. He loves a ball, bacon, and ducks, like tug, he's not allowed to have one. After a few months with us, he discovered his voice after learning to bark from his cousin, penny the Pitbull. And one of his favorite activities is a defending the home from postal workers and food delivery people. Marley was especially helpful to me and my work as a middle school drama teacher during our year of virtual learning. Marley assisted me by starring in a video that students were asked to write stage directions for as an assignment. He typically had too much stage fright for live appearances over Zoom, although my students would always explain the delight when they saw him and were very eager to introduce their own dogs, cats, rabbits, and baby siblings to him. I recently moved into my own place, but I made sure to move only two blocks away, so I still see him frequently for walks, and now he comes over to auntie's house for sleepovers whenever his mom goes out of town and time. Okay, first Becca, I'm so sorry I was so formal at the beginning. I hadn't quite earned your friendship Rebecca and Marley, sorry. I said, Rebecca. Becca, please be my friend. I know. A middle school drama teacher and then Becca very kindly included what I think might have been the video that the kids got to see and just tears come to your eyes. She was doing such a good job with it. It's so sweet and it's such good play and theater can survive just by the pandemic. Marley is as cute as she tried. Just a little layer. A full blown bear, the assignment of, well, I must keep the postal man in the food delivery guy. At bay. A part far, far away. I can not get enough of it. Also, God, isn't that the perfect scenario of just like, well, I don't want to leave the dogs, you just move two black sounds. Yeah. And then you become the slumber party house. You could be the cool aunt that rules. The dream that during the dream. I love Marlon Brando. Some classics, some silly ones, and then it was Marlon Brando. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I do I'll put Marley and tug in touch so that they can sort of lament over how neither one of them is allowed to duck. That is rude. I mean, incredible. One of them should at least get a duck. Thank you. And they can share it, maybe. Let's negotiate this a little bit. But Beck has sincerely that video almost made me cry. That was just the teachers were so innovative and good, and you did such a good job. And of course you're bringing me in your dog. It's so good. So, so good. Great. Great work. Okay. Are you ready for one more Alexis? Oh yeah. Here we go. Up next is Megan and the shelter dogs. Hit it. Whoo. Hi Renee and Alexis. My name is midge..
Trivia With Budds
"moira rose" Discussed on Trivia With Budds
"8, what song is playing when Kevin goes to church? Question number 9, what drink does the family tell fuller to go easy on? They say go easy on the what? Number 9, what drink does the family tell fuller to go easy on? Number ten, the gangster movie Kevin watches is called angels with filthy what angels with filthy what? And your bonus question for two points who has the very last line of the film who has the very last line of the film. Those are all your questions for home alone trivia. You can go slap on some aftershave and scream 'cause we'll be back with the answers right after this. We are back with the answers to home alone trivia. Let's see what you got right and wrong on this 11 question quiz. Number one, what type of pizza does buzz eat if Kevin's that makes him angry? He offers to vomit up the pizza for Kevin. It is just plain cheese, plain cheese, pizza. Number one. Number two to what city of mccallister is going on vacation. They're going to Paris Paris number two. Number three, what type of pet does buzz have at home? A tarantula. Crawls across Marv's face later in the movie, tarantula. Number four, what is Kevin's mean uncle's name? The one who says, look what you did, you little jerk. That is Frank, who says to moira rose from Schitt's Creek, AKA Kevin's mom, a play by Catherine O'Hara on the plane. He goes, if it makes you feel any better, I forgot my reading glasses. That's one of my favorite lines in the movie. Frank, number 5, what type of toys does Kevin shoot into the laundry shoot with the BB gun? This is very specific. It is starting lineup sports figures. So anything that sounds like those four words starting lineup sports figures, you can give yourself the point. I believe he has Michael Jordan. I'm guessing like a Larry Bird scenario and a couple other ones. And then the spatula holds open the door. He shoots all four, and then he shoots the spatula last. Number 5. Number 6, what is one of the distinguishing features of Harry's mouth, a silver or gold tooth? I think it's a gold tooth in the movie, but if you put silver or gold, I would accept it or just some kind of colored tooth of some kind. Number 7, what nicknamed is come up with for he and Harry, the wet bandits. He leaves the water running in the houses, the wet bandits. Number 8, what song is playing when Kevin decides to go to church? It's all holy night. The choir is singing at the Catholic Church, number 8. Number 9, what drink is the family tell fuller to go easy on? They go fuller, go easy on the Pepsi. Pepsi. And number ten, the gangster movie Kevin watches is called angels with filthy souls, angels with filthy souls. Your bonus question, who has the last line of the film, it's buzz, and he says, Kevin, what did you do to my room? And then Kevin's eyes go wide and he runs off from the window looking outside. Kevin, what did you do to my room from buzz? And there you have it, some fun facts from home alone. I hope you had a good time playing along with this festive episode. We have a fact of the day for you, which my friend Chris and Galveston loves. He says, give me more of those. And here's your one today. Fact of the day, Queen Elizabeth II is a train mechanic Queen Elizabeth II is a trained mechanic, give that a Google. If you want to read more. Thanks for listening. Thanks for telling a friend. Thanks for playing my live stream tonight. Monday, December 20th, 2021 to benefit trees for troops and project Linus. You can see all of the info at trivia with buds dot com on my weekly shows tab in the top right hand corner or click the link in the show description on whatever podcast platform you're listening on. We'll see you next time for more trivia with buds. Cheers..
Can I Pet Your Dog?
"moira rose" Discussed on Can I Pet Your Dog?
"They're on sale, you guys go, go, go, go, go, go go. Which also leads me to the question. Once you're done doing that, a, you have to send us photos of your dogs in caution. You have to. Yes, I don't want any excuses about this if you don't cost me you have to set up a photo. When I do you know what? Talk about what's going to be at. Did you order anything? Well, yeah, may I tell you the cautionary tale of last year? So 2019, I dress tugboat up as Paul left Tompkins. Yes. I don't want to say a home run because I'm the person that made it. But if somebody else who was on this podcast it's a home state. It's a home run. Also, I helped you pin a thing and I feel like we both worked really well together as a team, and together as a team we made such a thing. And then, 2020, I was like, you know what he's gonna do Halloween? We're all stuck inside. What are we gonna do? And then Instagram happened. Yeah. And the photos started rolling in. Yeah, and it was Halloween day. And I had done nothing to participate in such a thing. So I sprinted myself to petco, all that was left was one groot costume from Guardians of the Galaxy. No, it's a great film. I don't watch it, tugboat doesn't watch it. Sure, it's great though. Yeah. So I've dressed him up in a ill fitting group costume. And he looked dumb. And he was uncomfortable. And I said, never again. Yeah, I'm not going to let it happen again. So I have purchased two costumes this year. Oh my gosh. Dot com. Well, when it was a sale, we talked about this. I can't resist to sale. I don't worry I've got my shopping cart is open. I'm figuring things out. But what do you think, Jude and I do I reveal now? Or is that Halloween? Maybe not, I think we don't. I think we do a reveal. Okay, I think we wait. I do have, oh go ahead. Okay. I really want to talk about this. I want to give a hint that I prefer the forward facing costumes. Yes. So if there's nothing nothing on the back, right? They are made to look like something that has legs and then there are arms that are on the sides. So it looks like it looks like a very creature of some sort is running towards you. I do think those are also smarter for photos to be honest. Very easy to get a good photo. Okay. I agree. It also got me thinking about just general ideas that I'm probably not going to do this year. But if any listeners want to steal these or willing to share generous of you. It's not Thanksgiving, Alexis. But this is my Thanksgiving. This is my favorite season. I love it. Okay, so here are some things that I love a I love when people eat which places with your dog is in your dog goes as you and you go as your dog always a hit with me. Love it. Very cute. Yep. If you're a fan of horror movies, I think it would be very funny to go as the mom from the witch with the two BS that scary movie. Okay. And your dog can go as a crow, which if you've seen it is a very dark reference, but it's pretty funny. I'm going to trust you on this. I have not seen it. I will say for those of us who were scaredy cats, they can also go as moira rose, your moira rose your dog as the crow, keep going. Oh, really good, really good. It's actually very funny. Either works. You're not going to be a crow, and you can also go to multiple parties. What is your dog has to go as a coach? Yes. A Batman and the dog is Robin is always cute to me. And last, I've never seen this, but I saw it online today. And I was like, oh, that's so smart. Is going to see more and having your dog go as Audrey too, the plan. Right? Yeah, that's real fun. Yeah, and also you can add more characters if you need them, or you could be Audrey. There's lots of things to do. So I love that idea. Please, please someone do it. Okay. There you go. You guys, you have your assignments. Yeah. Go, go. And right now, 'cause you guys are gonna think nobody's doing Halloween this year, and they are gonna do it. So just go to chewie right now. It's on the great about it, get two. Get across the crow costume. It's fine. I don't know if they have one, but you can pay something. All right, Renee. Yes, you guys spooky story? I do. So if anyone's confused, once again, this is my favorite season, and I try to find spooky dog stories for every week of October. And we've done a lot of them, so it is getting harder and harder every year, but I did find one that this is someone's personal story. And I'm going to call it the ghost inspector. Oh. I like it. Based off title alone. Yeah. Okay, can I tell you what happened to this real quick? You're getting ready for your story. I was looking at you so intently. And so consumed that in the zoom, a dog hopped up behind you, and I was like, why is the dog? Which is very funny. And brains are weird. Brains are ready for your story. Okay. Okay. So yeah, okay. Check behind you before I tell you sorry. I don't want anyone actually scared. Okay. So this came from an article on bustle. I don't know whose story it is originally, I think they gave a username. I'm not sure where. So here we go. We have a dog. We spoil him a lot. But he used to sleep outside, but after a few days of rainy nights in August, we allowed him to sleep inside. Additionally, he barks at practically everything that passes in front of our house at night. So to keep him quiet, we keep him in, which also, yeah, if you're asking me, obviously. I can't believe you tried outside of earth. Anyway, we used to have a collar and lace to keep him in place at night because this is a pretty it was a big dog. He wants knocked over a table and nibbled on my sister's phone when he wasn't kind of crate trained, I suppose. But he didn't like being alone at night downstairs. So he would wake us up whining. Finally, I relented and brought him upstairs to sleep,.