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South African Treasury Predicts 3- 7 Million Job Lose

Newscast - Africa

01:05 min | 9 months ago

South African Treasury Predicts 3- 7 Million Job Lose

"You're listening to the news at this time on Africa Business Radio. South Africa's Treasury has one that the economy could cost of the virus pandemic saying between three and seven million. People in the country could lose their jobs finance minister Tito Mboweni disclosed this during the joints minister briefing with Treasury director. General Dondo Mocha Jane. According to Bologna lockdown has brought economic activity in the country to a standstill speak into parliament's missed. Mboweni also said some poorly functioning state owned firms would be sold but it not give the details. He has in the past called for trump national carrier. South African areas to be shut down. Completely saying it's would probably felt attracts investors. That was the news at this time on Africa. Business Radio you can continue so they say life online at. Www AFRICA BUSINESS RADIO DOT com. Off I am about APP. Thank you for listening.

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Retro Mocha: MM83 aka The Pamisode

Mocha Minutes

1:43:40 hr | 3 months ago

Retro Mocha: MM83 aka The Pamisode

"Hey everybody This stephanie. And i just wanna let you know you guys are giving the i. I haven't done this before. But you're getting a retro mocha episode. And this i retro mocha episode. Gonna be doing these a little bit more This episode is in celebration of my mother's birthday so let a time. You hear this heart birthday would have happened. And so i'm giving. You richaud mocha which is episode. A three aka. The pama sewed fell take a listen and ironically on this episode. We talked about the real housewives of potomac. We were talking about season. Four so very interesting and larry sleep. Say hindsight that this episode taylor's into the fact that potomac is actually airing right now. Though enjoy from richer mocha that paneth owed me. Hello minutes podcast. i'm stephanie. Thank you so much for joining me. You can find them. Oklahoma's podcast on apple. Podcasts stitcher radio. Google play tune in cash. Box iheart radio and spotify find this on any of those platforms. Or where else you get. Your podcasts also still soliciting for ratings and reviews if you'll be so inclined please leave some five stars leave for some reviews would greatly appreciate it also. You can find me on instagram facebook and twitter at moga minutes on all three of those platforms if you want to shoot me an email. Give me some feedback other than on those three places. You can email me at moga minutes at key. Mail dot com okay. Welcome back to the mocha minutes. Podcast and stephanie. Thank you so much for joining me. I have to think jay for the name of this episode because it is the pama sold. If you hear the giggle that's me. I have pam aka. My mom i it is how are you i am i am fab. I am stephanie's mom in very proud of this beautiful girl for what is it. What did he say he calls it. The pam the payment sold. I like that game sold. Fake no okay this today. Hello oh my gosh okay. So we guys here this. It'll be after mother's day. It'll be after mother's day mothers day. How do you feel a day. Always feel weird. Because i think every day as mother's day because it is a privilege and an honor to love someone so much mother's day is always mother's day and it is difficult but is the best journey up ever been on and i appreciate what has what god has given me and i have great the best stats right as senate have the best kids in the kids. They grownups but a probably unbiased but they agree. And that's it so you know whether it is weird for me only because because of my age everybody always sees me. They all happy love day. And you get really. Tired of correcting people are saying there. But thank you. I like have a bill for you. Great i'll tell my mom that's a good line that use it. I'll use tomorrow at work. They had him on this day. I'm on yeah 'cause that'd be a word. Oh okay yes great. That's all among you'll love it. Yeah well no. 'cause i don't know you don't put. That's it's automatic thing and i've actually said it and i've had people say they're back. I'm not a mom. And i'm like i'm sorry but you're beautiful and say happy mother's day to your mom Let's it is. I think moms deserve a lot. But i think mom most mothers what they do they do out of love and they would do it blindfolded in with their hands tied because there is a bond there forever. If you wanted to be with the bond does change in that great thing the what is it like being a mom of adult children. It's really hard. Because i avoid the news a lot because i don't want to hear it i do. I void the news because when it's things happen to people all the time and when they're the same age you're on the same life circumstances my children over god i in You know i've been go back to knowing that my children are smart and they love their life and they both are in great places. Oh god more. And i and then when children too smart and they love themselves i they love god i i'm sorry. Let me put that the right way. They love god and treasure with god has given them so they go out of their way to protect with god has given them in. That is their life. So i don't i i love them but i know that they love themselves to you work. You know i can honestly say like at twenty three dale myself but at thirty seven say yes. Yeah but that's like work. Yes yes yeah. Yeah sometimes the were can beat you up but once realize the world actually has no power no not in the world does not end there are going to be. Some beat. ups keeps be some beat apps and is going to be some fairly awful things realize stronger than every last one of them. Look they're gonna be some beat apps and it's okay it is okay to actually feel defeated but not to be. Yeah if you could give manager the mother your grandmother at your age. Could you give young pam. Young mother pam advice. Yes oh my gosh. Would that wo woman poor girl she was. She actually thought i young. Am thought that circumstances could actually break you. There were a lot of tears why this is happening to me. Every last and there was some pretty bad awful things that have happened. But i am strong and i would never have known that if i hadn't come through both be punched in the face sometime literally. Now please. no no has been beating any of that. But i have actually gotten punched in the face before i have been in fights. I have made wrong decisions. I have been abused not physical abuse. There's been emotional abuse and it has all made me very strong but able to understand people who are going through so that person that i was. I'm glad i went through so much at the time. No i didn't there were there. Were actually parts. I did not want to breathe at all. And that was with her husband two small children and did not want to breathe. And the only thing i can say about that time is i kept moving. Keep moving even at that. Moving is to just lay in the bed screaming and crying. You're still moving. Keep moving when you see okay so you did you hear about the school and the principal. Who did like the Wanted to introduce the address code for the parents where she was like. Hey for all of this stuff year and in here like thank. Y'all everybody knows. I work part time in a retail store and athlete all of that from my customers. Yes as so in a never bothers me. 'cause like you just go to the store you might be going home. Yes and then. It's like the like the a lot of times schools because you know they have like meetings with the parents mail. Hey wanted mike new protocols and processes see the problem with this was she just did it on her own. She didn't have a meeting with the parents and say hey guys. This is becoming a problem. Yes i'm sure there are. A lot of parents was elliott. This is a problem and other parents. Like if you only me. I am just to drop off my kid and i'm going back to be yes and it's like when you so. That was the problem. She just put this in to play without talking to any of the parents. I mean this is. The public school was now people are paying. This goes because i'm pretty sure. If they were parents paying for their case to go to school you would have to talk to them. You can't change it and not talk to them. Do you know what age these children were. High school principal that came from schools. I did the same thing in elementary school. Well these are elementary school kids but even if they go into a high school and so she these extreme examples of one mother she was life she his pants and i could see her phone and it was like okay. This one baron. She had on a t-shirt dress and other women like she gave me the extremist. This came in the shirts. Soci- cheer you could see her areola. You just gave exceptions. Not exactly so. I think like a couple of weeks ago. They had the meeting with the parents and they were mad because you told them what the play these are grownups. Yes and most parents dropping off their kids. They're on their way to work. So they're appropriately dressed and i'm like sill pans at work overnight. I'm like i just got home from work. I got his all and drop off my kid And i'm a. I'm going to bid to this exact career. One of the problems that came with the dress codes. I've one mother. She was at home data call and they said so. Your kids arm is broken. You come get them so of course she don't care and he told her no they wouldn't let her in the school until she. My kid broke my arm under your care and it was decibel my nobody. Nobody kids what they look like. You can put dress code on some children. Yes but adult no your office. In the way she was talking made it also a problem because it was very like very pompous. Like i grew up in. I grew didn't wear sleep bomb. If we didn't wear your edges must be terrible. Your hair must've i. i refused to i. I've read some of it. And then when i heard that people that have power in take it too far. They want more power. You cannot regulate adults in these people. Were not showing up naked. They were not showing up to be educated and nobody cares about your opinion and she was highly offended. She is going this. Principle is gonna live the rest of her life in offense because she has some power at that. School has power over. Maybe the children. But you don't have a pow the power over things that offend you up on offend you areolas affairs you dressing all the time walmart use the more says the exact same thing. This is a professional to the professional. Plays and i'm like to you because this is your job. It's school is a school. This is not professional place for me. This is your job is bothering the students in one that speak with your staff to and make them apart of their kind of decision and then just it as a suggestion not like a rule. Our role for adults is not a rule it added. That's a dictatorship. The you are not in charge of adults. You are in charge of the safety and education of young people. You are not in charge of parents. And if i had a child at school the first thing i would try to take him out why give it in. It's a weird thing that a lot of people who were from more fluids households. May i say do this thing like all of your properly dressed then white people will mess with you when we all know. That's not you know. Where are you getting from. You got to dress a certain way because you think that's why people treat you differently. No that's not true. Us anybody in a professional setting you might do you know how much crap agate you don't doing and we have set a good example for our students. No matter if they wear suits every single day they will be treated like the niggers. They all apple. So why does that mean if you're if you are round that type of Racism it doesn't matter if you have on a down in its era fun nigga and the gal he ever you he right please miss. No one of the most black people was barack obama any young. Yes they that's the pri- yet. They try he he was a teflon. Black man everything balanced off him. Because you it doesn't matter you don't matter that's why did not give her to give her head because are quite a few people. That are the actually believe that people will think a certain way about you. By the way we buy something you wear adult wear now might be very impressed with your address. And what one just. But that doesn't mean anything else. That's why like no nonfactor fainted. This is not it. This is not this is not the ground you wanna stand. Go on worry about more. What's in their soul. And what's ed. And i want to do all this stuff for them but then you're teaching them if they dress a certain way. Something's wrong with them. And then there were people who agree with her. And i'm not not who agreed like. Oh okay have out. I could see that but this is not work going to work. I'm only like coming to literally spend maybe at the most twenty minutes in that school and ross him off. You can't come to school dressed like that when you make. Yes when you make a role see if they were teaching class right. But he's teaching class right and the other part of this is is that this was not a white school. That's the problem they all. I'm just curious so. The racial stories was the all blacks. The school was majority latino and then a second artist majority was black. Okay so the by people wearing the minority as the other problem on this looks really fucked up a lot of stuff. she basically. You're saying if a white mother comes up with wet hair and yoga pants. You're not telling them they don't look professional. You're not saying. I'm you can't come in watch and your pink under you. There right was your hair is what is and it was like wait a minute. Y'all wouldn't do this if this was a white school. You would like this one. I know come incenting. Bonnets enrolling off their kids. I think it was misc- misguided attempt to control and it went a little too far. And i think maybe he had good intentions because he wanted the best for the students. But you realize that. Please realize that you were talking to their parents not grim. Yeah you're gonna go moles. Yeah we're not talking about the pains around the knees in a belt and all that stuff. That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking bollard dolts dropping. Often children had school or come into like. I'm pretty sure you don't mean a pta meeting. Did you talk to enroll their kids because it was probably early in the morning of coors authorities mccaw eight o'clock in the morning with everyone but even if they were so what. So what. i'm here. I'm sorry i want a yes or you off. I'm like up but even if it's you day on you don't know the whole soak gari so you don't get to regulate the end of the story all the part that you see right right. That's why would no no miss now wrong. Never not never you don't get to regulate anybody's life in make it a rule because it's something you don't like you get the only thing you get to do is look the other way because you're the principal have a meeting a more. I have some coffee and treat people nicely. What happens you manners and kindness. You wouldn't want anybody to come telling you that right then. I'll i don't like that's it. That suit look sloppy. I don't like that style. It's a little too old at someone your age wear something new. You knew what will happen. Kindness and respect and choices choices knew that led a whole choice and you make this choi as their parents made choices to halt surgency of. Why don't you don't know my way that they are. And what makes that so band at. Somebody has wanted on. There was like so every people that went on the head. You don't you don't know mike issues like alopicia you like. I don't wanna go out. Because i don't want head drag known. Exactly what's going on on my d- mayhem. That jacket is terrible. Your your wig looks exactly we go there. I'm like okay proper dress. I want proper attire on your head. I don't like to add one. That i'm willing human error. I don't want. I don't want any kind and it style is wrong. You know. that's why. Yeah i don't i. I just felt sorry for her because he will learn one day that your opinion of others doesn't not really matter showing up. Yeah children. Mike is she was like yes. Did this undress code. The kid grades got better. I'd be real and to prove that like. What does your parents attire had to do with how well they do in school when parent is barely ever in the actual school. I'm sorry. I need you to prove this powerpoint presentation but also what would it hurt to speak to another human being the way you want to speak and winter. Just ask what not just makes. Those parents feel like into like a principal. Then looks like them. They're not good to do that. You're what's your wearing makes us something else in. It doesn't make you look. What would think is uncapped. But she is dropping something everybody else at a supermarket like that in touch for logo as or walmart. And i'm like do you think they would just like. He's been a senator. Do you know how much dragging me just stop. Just take a minute a minute. I think we should. Who now bed weeks softball your girls. So everyone doesn't know real housewives of potomac are. Yeah i love. It is a friend and my she she. This is my buddy. This is my buddy and my friend. She's hilarious i since the show is becoming on. Don't think she's had a very serious headline part of the show notes. Here's a lot of likes shade thrown in. She said a lot of like okay today to that but she's hilarious. She's just cracks me up every time and with all she's been through and in a lot of people in both of them will already have heard her story before even set eyes on her. I heard the dirt. You didn't like oh this thing. And then i saw like waste like before the show. I didn't know she looked like in me. I can't let heard about it right over her name of this. I guess if i went to the church i would have seen. Her is the full show. I didn't know she look. It's great speaker great speaker. Well are like this show because this is funny. I find them funny in amusing in great hair. Rely robin here now. Super short because nails like they don't have to worry about. Oh she made a face. Make lincoln porno her but her hair was longer. It was like she wouldn't do it but it i i think. She's absolutely stunning woman. Yeah but her whole story line and just as as as someone who is married to in a long long long long time i understand Ups and downs of merge. Yes you can get divorced but once you get divorced and then get back together. I'm gonna need you to get a license. I'm gonna need you to give me the whole ceremony. The knee and everything cookie. Oh sorry oh our. Somebody's blessing but that's the way i stained. I don't need agreement. That is how i feel about it. Nope wassily watch should he and if he does anything else because i'm sure they will do. Were she said. It is operatives infidelity hill. Stop in you never know what's going to happen in marriage but if there's a divorce and there's a split once you together wisdom dress in the big party and it seems like she. She's studying woman. I think she could do. You know there's love the and they working towards that in as with most of the housewives shows you don't know the whole store you know that back story so all her story is just just makes me cringe a little bit because this beautiful stunning smart funny woman is not. I'd be run in all over the place. I am divorced and i will do. And so he and he's at top. Stay with beautiful. Young little tender brownies. Running round yeah see. Sangley helps that mail because before when he was cheating it was like he was in the nba. And she's one of the show kinda like he ain't going to have like if they do happen. It's going to be all over. The place penalty did with peter rural honesty. Which won't happen to want. peter. Peter peter i about this. Let's go let's go get it. We got a very good looking man. from kanfer ross. Cynthia ex husband skin tone out. Sorry i'm okay. I have to say this. I've only looked at the last two or three seasons. I think he has beautiful features. Yeah but that he looks. You must be an x ray. I'm in you know. I'm sorry but i think he's a beautiful man but it because i don't know the back story i really don't have. I thought he was attractive. Yeah be wrong or does same when marriage means something so does divorce so but because i don't know the whole story i just don't like that in line but know what do you wanna see worst but it's not gonna happen. See in the premier. Y'all i used to be a ashley fan in now. I am not in before we go to hide. Interrupt you what hell's wrong our airline has it always been their way he always had. This is most of you. Because she's always wore like a hair down and it's kinda covered it pulls back like. She is stunningly gorgeous gorgeous. She's got and that is that. What okay all right angle light hammer and everything she wears her hair match was not related to you. Don't see it as like absolutely stunning. Yeah and that whole oh. It was just like this hardy. Nancy michael it was like. Oh my god openly started off over warner's. I'm sure you knew worn i. It will not run category on this. Whatever that was don't category. And i'm like oh my guard guard. I walked away from that. Oh be playing another round of nazis brixham ball is this. I was mama owner. Mike iphones though brixton balls in this kind of just a like like you point you a okay bricks like have like a certain number. You gotta hit that many times. Oh okay oh yeah. it's very addicting. Okay friend to market got me on it. i'm on level. One twani o hear plans involve mindless fun sometimes. Sometimes zombies to addict so stay navigate so ranged sheet. There's something about her is actually seems like she's like a fun girl. Go to happy hour embrace with but you wouldn't want to hang out with her at her house. I would because i think he can cook. And she is very into. I love this. She is into yoga meditation. So far with with the alternative medicine and relax. Yes this to get pregnant. I'm here having fertility. I was very views new reproductive. Maybe that was missing not which she did have productive issue. Yeah maybe an. Maybe she needed just sometimes. Modern medicine is a bit much in sometimes. You do need to go inside in relax and find out about your own self in whatever works for you works for you and i like that about her and she is a smart girl has a beautiful woman but then it's also painful to see her as being to one girl wouldn't you girl walking on now. This is only the season premiere. Y'all it was only one. That was interesting that we really didn't get to see a lot of monique. Want to see but it's only the first episode. Like it's only i was i think what six or seven months. She looked fabulous la but chances last season she tried it. I'm like girl you need to be cheese. She needed to be told that. Miss you have two kids. No job and maids in housekeepers shut. It was like what. What are we drinking yet. And so the whole thing with her in the car where she was like alawite off a problem. Your car to pitch an alcohol in wants to do i do. I make seem like i'm on a bus. I'm not driving away. So i feel like i'm you drink. Yes you're right exactly go onto blowing our spat mike. Oh lord please. Mike i get concerned if you drink it a whole bunch of get behind the call. May you have made over. Is your friend wanted. You get somebody to drop you off. I'm sorry i don't handle job. Doesn't that burden on somebody. That is always something mental owner. Lift all these playing on. You drove it. I'm sorry i'll handle job driving. I am if you're that rich in that smart girl one nine. I was just tired because you had to small children like of course. Is you have one child. That's be baby. have one this school age suicides. You've got to get up and get the baby ready to go to school and the other baby wanted came with a bonnet as you know always snatched up here. We see robin. And we've been like bunny rabbits. I'm like girl. Dayton is not a man that you have two children with you divorced and men in being are living together because at the tau financially it made sense my nail financially. It don't make sense. No one was doing but come on. How much does emerge license. 'cause forty dollars. Okay i'll know. They are in maryland so it was like forty fifty dollars. I don't use let me wondering it makes me wonder if she just don't want to get married she like. I think he's on a whole marriage thing. It didn't work out. Well away things on his own place and i will get my own. I mean i will get my own in. That's all that's going to say. Because i am still married. I'm to steph. He's dead. So i no. All all bets are off once as a divorce. One that table. Yeah it's ari here. He is cute them. Stipple mls. just what on either is a good looking man but if you have two children and god forbid anything happened to them to you to anything we think happens to those kids in you to a legally voiced. You gotta go pastor. You have to make sure like oh and then they showed the grand. I cannot is a god damn fool care so one my heart really does go out to caryn the fact that both of her parents died within like seven months of each other. Yeah and she had been taking care of her parents of until then. Yeah that you could on that. We union you. I wanna show no could do it. I think she thought she could do latin and she wanted to do it and you know she believes she knew she is a strong woman but that kind of emotion was rawda came from a place from a spirit. Couldn't control that anyway. Yes her role like her. Whole body was shaking. Yeah i love her. Because of one matches her age is the wishy. Curry's that yeah. I love her because of that. Yes you sneaky little down and shady and all of that but yes. That's why televise just little angel losing me great tv. I love the way she looks. I love the way she keeps herself. And he's like. Oh hey go do it right. She thinks i find her fabulous but also find her very mean. Oh yeah she's very mean mean so for everybody who has a failure. I can't wait to the ramblings get back on potomac because i was laid down. It wasn't hot in melting was dan. Yes sweet thing okay. I love the weeks in everything. I love them. And it's great to have all of those options. Ma problem is enough said this for very long time. Because i've worn quite a lot of weaves. Windy hair line in glue in lace franz in all of that become healthy for your hair glue and hair is not good and it seems like they can be a bad way. Yes you get that. Look but maybe there isn't. I don't know and there's the kind of things because you are gonna purse by her and it's going to be. Yeah and it's gonna take some your hand on with it. So i don't understand but i think that looks like he had some kind. Some work done on cheekbones. It looks like it does so and you know i like her. I like her bud. That houses way too big for her. And i think over her children are living living large oldest child. I think the sun that we really don't get to see. Sometimes i don't maybe maybe once like she talked about her son when i don't know if he's ever filmed into daughter is in college so it's kind of like a really large house and i'm like four. Why but hey money. Yeah i. I'm not married to the black gates. Email bomb you. She said i mean i i. Yeah and she loves him and you could just tell she says the same. That's a great thing to see a great agency that no matter what you go through you sick together. Don't run. But that's why i love it. I love the. I love their clothing and love the that on the great floors that they have and they wear these heels. Nobody falls like the eel once. Just showing it showing it all at walking odd. If my phone. And i'll wrong somebody you know. How does i just love. The i look forward to this. How was i was just enters. There was a girl run. You reading off loved them. 'cause from the beginning i had loved this show because they've funny and take them with a grain of salt in think take themselves woke suffocating. Some back i know not black. I am biracial. I don't know why you would think that about me like because you're well is league. You're mixed because look at you like both. My parents are black. People what we will be debbie downer borough read to you so like instead of bad luck you just tell me black. Recognize my other white parent mike. Okay i'm like the thing is like and if that's how you identify i think that's totally fine. Oh this like people who only identified. I'm like no. I'm a black girl. Okay you did not see a corrected everybody every damn time. Say he's the first black president he knows. Say this man. Oh it's fine if you identifies mixed. That's fine but she took offense to i. Guess robin and dissolve not doing the same thing. They're like what's wrong with being black. I don't understand because there's some people who feel that way too. I don't have traveling exactly. There's some people like. Hey i don't wanna buy white parent or my my mom black parent yeah. I don't want to offend them. And i don't think that you know. I don't care about them. You know how people were talking about the rock and they're like win the rock become black. I'm like when is he not been black because he's never said he was thing. Oh yeah did he. Black somewhat two rich cultures. And it's like he's very close to his mother who is the mowing so but he's never not saying he was on. I don't understand why they where that came from like when he become all his life mean an all black people into this fried chicken right. Running we are monolith of people. You're we were not a monolith model. Living all black people aren't drawing that we're not exactly you know because the people and i am dr. I'm dock the woman but it's the been black white people say you like that. Yes i do. I've had black people was aimed. Complexities we say you like white music. Oh my god you. Music is a caller. I like what i like is what i like Verson different now what color. My parents are mother ex. Had to be very tate. It doesn't need what set up dow magi heard we're really looking forward to seeing katie ross. Anaylyst because he's gonna be ed's katie with it's like weird weird he's gonna be say something wrong with the king awesome. Okay she does. She lost custody of her caves because he was going like lessees august. She added new baby but of the day of the twin twins son and then two twin girls. I think girls this remember little did with two girls and his son ethnic all all within a year of you to think on number of blood around beautiful woman model last very nice yes of course and photographs. Beautifully but something. He's just so sad about her into in you. Bring it into this thing. Will who is not taking nev- all a dirt is done and you won't bring a cookie snow honey. You needed to bring her morning cook. it was. I'm going through a really hard time right now. I just don't wanna see anybody us here in services and he was so funny last desma that just what i saw turn. But he keep. I don't wanna see mandate. He was like you as kid out at the cookies because the kids made them. I might see this is. Why don't just drive out to virginia without offering to are far away was that's all. They are all maryland live. in virginia. greek falls. So how does that like a. Maybe like me. Forty five minutes and drowsy. Virginia and she was in her little mini cooper right stop. That's good i'm gas. Yes the category is you'll efficient. And she drove and holding half all go. Why did you offers a. Hey karen i really wanna talk. Don't i'm in great falls. The only reason is to see her. Do you know anybody else out here. In great falls no so why just showing up to great falls and thinking like fucking you have to let people feel. They owned pain for as long as they can as what to because as they have pain right. It's not yours. You inflicted pain and you have to care for that. Yeah i so came in screaming cookie. Still she's like. Yeah and that's the thing. i think. Current appreciated this. You drove that She did rather for it. She realized she did treat her wrong. End if you if you keep a list of offenses that's what i love about giselle. She knows she's not perfect perfect. She's done some wrong things but the people she's hurt me at a time and i've seen his show she tries to do something about it in go too far like i'm all polish Wrong i'm sorry and you can tell. Her and karen have a long friendship for years and just alone girl moses. Yes in like seven months. Stu sell has more things do happen on what daughters my gosh. A little too little gorgeous beautiful in taken after her jamal all motivational speaker speaker. He's a rebel. He's cold c. n. b. charging atlanta. Referenda peste there is. Maybe maybe a passer started. There always has been a motivational speaker. Since done the bar high school yeah us. Yes but i find it very entertaining taking with a grain of salt but i hope i never run into zahle. Because i'm going to become that person. I love you so wonderful. I just think she is just a breath of fresh air into spongy. And just funny so i think the i guess the because a lot of it felt like filler. This moment candace and her mother. And i was the i am shaking. Oh mother hold her and her mama is like this is way too real for reality tv this reality when the mama was like how could you say i invited my brother no. She didn't say half brother she said brother and she was like. How could you do this to me to you. Oh dear oh this. Is this deep. Remember last year. With ashley and her mom was like. That's a lot. This is going to be a lot because there's a lot that they're not saying yes and it was just like okay. I don't need to know the details and it's like you are like nope. I don't want him at the wedding and i think it's because she's paying for a lot of the wedding. It's still hard wedding. That's still her brother that she is forming a relationship with that. I think she does have. Because i think the mother also has another daughter that she runs the hair. Business is okay so she does have a system but here it is. She's like. I'm former relationship with my brother and vitamin to the wedding. And then i tell my momma at your momma freak out just like you thought she would. It was like this is just painful to watch cycle. Why what was like your man. She's the migration daughter. And i'm like you shouldn't have to yellow mama like this is my day what are you doing it is like no mom should know that is like the thing about me in my feelings. This is your wedding day. I'm paying for of the majority of it and ninety five percent ninety percent fifty fifty. I don't know what the hell she's dead. Still my daughter's day. I'm like that was was way all my god. Am i really like this really is still hurting you. This this brother of herds now grown ass man. Gay and you ain't built bridget. No it was a ho- you ain't built his prison. Got over it yet. Have mercy on that mothers so girl this. You're making it about you. This is her wedding. You shouldn't be having these kinds of conversations. You shouldn't have to nobody the say this is my day like oh god i'm like oh no my my mother in my mother would never do any of this plead speaking. I will speak from personal experience. I cried. I was sitting there crying when men mother amy mother would speak to the daughter as if she is a thing to be manipulated. And if you give it enough money and you spend enough money you could tell it what to do. Have mercy on her soul. Abe wasn't it had nothing to do with the wedding. Nothing candice wasn't even born when this woman's husband or whatever he was cheated and had this man and had heard whatever brother. This woman is still holding onto that pain. I can't imagine dragons that kind of pain and it makes giant and then you tell your daughter about it and making it her problem. You ain't the women over albums and you want your daughter to cry for you in. You can even be woman enough to deal with your own problems. And it's her fault. Because i've seen it with my own eyes. You don't get to do that if i were this. I would walk away from her for now. Because it's gained. This is a beautiful girl she's in pageants and all that but a mother is tearing apart and that girl she's going to have hard time trying to flee mother. You keep your money or we can go to court house but candace wants the army thing because everything is painful and now it's like you could take every last goddamn dime and get married yourself. You can have the party. You can have all that because you don't pay for a human being you pay for slave oil employee. Was he doing to her own child. That is not love that is cruel in nablus treat and child like some kind of animal and have mercy on her soul because it's been on her cracks that i was diagnosed the town halls. They live in mother. Plays acas half of it but he just show up anytime she want to come in there. How i'm going to stay home saying don't worry about that. What did you mean with his mortgage. It's like To grow up. It was like nope might take her husband. Oh no i can add. Cancel your contract. I leave marin on. We're gonna find a place to live. Because i can't do this. Yes and then it was like because are having a whole bunch of like. She wanted to have a decision on what she war. And what the venue. because you're paying for. Don't pay for if you feel like i have to say to pay for my own. This is natural day. Oh natural life advocating brothels day. Yes not what happens like this really is my wedding. This is what our yes. Yeah and it's like he's my brother. What do you mean you're gonna tell me who to invite. Because because i know he can't be there because of what his father day and i'm like you. Did he do something to you. And you. You make an award. It was like man man and you make him. What a reminder of my pain did. They don't look at him making it your pain. Why not let pain reconcile all of this. All of this happened she all. She became the most ugly sad tired black woman. I have ever seen if i haven't seen it with my own eyes. I know what gandhi saw a. I can't be put go ahead and cry. Put today to shoot down. Let it go go and cry. Get outta the chair get added house. Get outta relationship. Let your mother deal with our own pain. You can't deal with her pain now. can't help her. you can't help in. Her mother became one the ugliest people i have ever seen so this week they will. The wedding come said warrior another human being. We're all daughters. Do when it's like. I'm mad at my momma and i can't kossi ass out real and you don't actually you don't have to but it's like you can walk away. You can walk away. walk away way love. It was like you can do this man. And i get it. Walk course was walkaway. Nba pain with this wrong. His weddings a stressful like mutt. Like managing your feelings and my wedding and on top of it. Her mother has been used to having the final say and can have in in her life and candice's life would. Is she going to do. When candidates has gained his has to make a decision between her husband. Her husband comes first then. A mobile phone comfort osmond when she found out that he had other children as you know about the way that she didn't know about she was like. Oh what it is a nine business in. But he don't have to be this way you're making it. You're gonna put money to one mall tomato because you came at pain for forty four years and had a forty years forty years fourteen years. I doubt that you see him. All the you barely sees it. That was it was like obviously you don't talk to him. that obvious. that has nothing to do with cameras in one. If that is like for some reason. I had a sibling out there and then they found me. We found each other. I would want relationship and not was out of his legs own on my desk. Her brother she said the thing she was. You make me. No i heard. I have heard those words my do i know how making you look. Oh baby you don't need any less than human like she's This woman this girl has never doesn't know like i don't know if she has. She's a good woman is a beautiful girl these out pageant window. She smart and you not proud of her for that he has you. You think your life gets a second chance through your daughter. She actually isn't she remarried. When lying hold you wanted and you are remarried with s husband and another child. What are we. what are we know what. I hope that i'm praying and hoping that that is just a story filler. So could be more exciting. I hope that woman is netted better. I hope now am like is a scenario this woman. Give not be this bit of. But i know people like that exactly and moore's right so best. That was the heavy part at most. Imos premiers out. Not that heavy. I'm housewives watcher so most of my was weighed on me like goose. There are a lot of malls. They are a lot of mothers that do that to their daughters. Y'all or two that showed dren. No one can pay you back for raising event. I can't. I'm like i'm sorry. Just be clear out never ballot and so sad like oh i was holding my chest. The whole not. No no. Stop no three days before her wedding. Yes sir all the next episode is the wedding. I'm like this is right before the wedding and the bad part about it is. I'm like you know it made me kind of like mad was that you actually had to tell your mom that you invite. Find your own brother and ain't right. You gotta figure out a way to tell her because you knew she would. She would explain why do that. I'm like this ain't because she knew she would act that way right and she did was trying to avoid it and she put herself in place of child but she shouldn't well can say what she should have done. Because when it's your mom and you know the roles and you new rule about gone and on a parents but you have to you have to. Dave might take music twenty thousand years. You're going to have to find the courage in do it in a respectful way. But you're going to have to stand up for yourself and say and sat in a way that there's no discussion. yeah redone. Yeah this is molly this on that. Yes that is the one that done right and if you bring that up again i'm walking away from you and that's because i think the mom really likes having the fact that you know the mortgage i've put a lot of money to his wedding because she likes to control your want to control a number of human being like this l. and breath and everything i have but i'd rather have sincere. I really wanted to come and see you today. Not because i'm giving you everything. I have because you love me. Yeah that's it money. Just just a side no guys on rich but you know i am rather see my daughter. My love live her life. Gotta call me. And i gotta give her money avi thing i have so i can have control of her. Want control of her life. I'm wanting to enjoy life in ride this ride until the wheels fall off so she can have pride in herself. I don't care one have control over her life. Why would you want control over. Human being control of an animal. Human being makes ed america. It's it's just so warble to do to another human being to reduce them tuna animal just because you gave birth. You remember that do do you remember here. I gave birth you. I went through. And i did all this for you. What what did you do all of it then. If you think you need check right. He needs somebody right a check. You want love and concern in no for back. Because i know over my kids if something happened me. They're gonna be there. Not because i gave birth eunice slid and i did so much for you. Think it'll be because they love me. The anat perfect. Nor am. I never will be knucklehead. So hopefully this is the end of the heavy snow. Therapy my therapy. Go tell somebody that. Go talk to somebody about their mom really needs to talk to your friends. Not anybody else. Talk to somebody who's a medical professional talk to her. Therapist is not so bad. let somebody else. He'd you say that would you all that you've done for your daughter all that you've done and then she portrays you like somebody he and see. How twisted at really is. That's been rolling over in our aid for forty way to wait. Okay let's get passed yet. Anyway we'll switch gears so quick revolved rank jarring body says but if music and he does not win and then take all his makeup. Come to my house as a board. I'm a problem. Is this the prettiest man girl you have ever seen you all from beginning. He s nabi. Miss sometimes likely he is so brady. Oh i'm gonna make up the hair. All boys sing my name. Satan ham said once said twice three times. Because i love me. Some benji saw very interesting to say last season. They had all wanted to black queens. There were great this season that memorable but now very nat member very beautiful also but in the star happened and then this season they often go. I well i hold my head right now. just want anybody but They can go the okay so everybody who has watched it. I'm sorry i'm going to school for you. Nina west went home. And i felt like it was a good punch that lip sync was terrible. Yes and auto. When i was like thank you. I'm glad i'm not the only person who thought this was. You know i've seen terrible lip saints whereas one person was better than the other this one that was like you just flip the coin. I would've can't nina but that's just me. I am start anew. Untucked has been more entertaining than the show at times except for this one when they brought the untucked regular show worker. Who's arrows lying position. I left weeds. And i didn't do it over. And because you never did. Would you may know petition. Allow that kept left one on purpose but the other ones i didn't like is it usually one line. Which one did you do. Banking get them before. Now what's the door blown. Leave my mail a message to production and said. Hey y'all we can. I give my weeks back. She snuck you. It was like what are you all doing. And so like so. The folks that are left. This is the taffer. But i don't know brooklyn heights. Beautiful a- curiously data porn silky nutmegged. Nas and angie my boyfriend who honestly. I thought one that last week. Loss the brooklyn and not sitting here. How 'cause his boy nipples were showing. Yes the only thing. Because i was just like like that song because it always reminds me the young the restless merger singing the theme song for the young the russell right but he was all he was crying. I the no drama online ov anti the status all thinking this week when they had like the brought the queen's bag when when you pay sukey wh why am i blanking her name syllabi nut make them the person that she was paired with the I did. I don't remember all season q. she came back up. It's run name. Is that so so yeah okay. Yeah so when you was unaware he'll do this all my all wards rack. 'cause i am confused. I'm like i feel like there are. I don't mean pigeonhole. You or stereotype you but i feel like there are some real. Yes did you see that well. They train her. How did you start your own trying to think like maybe just started doing. Maybe that's and i was like and this was like saying that. Some wrong feet or something else. She brought persist again. And i was like okay. This is a bit much. That's more than not how you wanna pay her baby. She didn't know anything about her feet. She went home the first week it was. You talked about the system out of annual volunteers. A problem with a feat. I know about probably all broken heart long back. Barrow was plenty cats fridays. Or they're playing a late night. She the girl with the law bank. Tell us with a full damage. Did all the swifty. Where like you had the way. He knew that was know this. The baby not handbag had no budi days is head sharif because she was on the show from when they did that okay and so then you know they have a show so time and he had bathed. She came on the show. Oh so beautiful with like we say long. I didn't know what you were talking about. All tour you're talking about. He's like yeah. The taylor swift fame. They were mad at us. It's like well you be mad at taylor because she not in the gym doing squats. Y'all should be mad. That's what you should fight the real enemy. Water are not her friend. Neither is a martin van ness own. Beat like i'm sorry. We've girl not a swifty at all i grow. What have they banned. Looked like wait. Am i standing here. George am i on that mark this mark Like the sad. I have seen a better margin ban on the week. I asked me music remember. That happens when fun. Wait like the ban. he'd new perfectly. Okay okay okay okay perfect. That's what the bane looked like it. Real life continue watching the performance performance. Neely turn homeboy. Kangaroo umbrella is down the line and then he had so like women so we go from a knock to be ella to. Mary poppins to singing in the rain. I'm sorry no one would like this i to be a flood wall paste. So why don't we have a martin band and mary poppins and singing in the rain. What he often board. And then it was like every calling the rainbow so then was trolls. Yes yes what wasn't implant in this roles. I didn't get that going. What is this. How i'm a bit. That episode needs to be reviewed by me again. The get in. I'm really i'm serious. I'm what is what is this song about isn't about umbrellas and marching band no and colors and skittles and columns writing this out one. I'll say work. I'm a good pair. May and you may not have a say around. Because i wore you okay now regular as well. She got along back as soon. So i kept forgetting like crap. We really are down to the top if he doesn't win. I'm going to call all about. Because i thought we have based on the critique day he got from the judges which you know the whole season has not been the nicest. You always got something to say in the stuff that you own. I'm like you don't ever but to you. Always wear like a bank by by plastique. Is she get the same thing when a minute. Your clock herself. Plastic you all the time. Yes because i. I think they know back to the high what she deserves to win. The it is. She's more improved when gay pride comes here. Sorry i'm not gay. But i'm not able to meet this. This man is just the most beautiful thing i've ever seen but miz silky nut may geena if she don't now if you don't we'll have to say you don't now i've been looking in from the beginning. Now this does not look like a main never has from the beginning beautiful girl. The problem i have with him is he is slamming. The is the slobby have ever seen in that. That why you waited bodysuit and you in japan again. They're in it. Insult me a thong. You see that fall within. He swam in. It's like all out when when they're in the work room in getting mc donald's line she'd you get to the runway. Give anybody else's like oh. I can accede transition. He is he knows. Lifeline rebut with matt when he's in gowns when he in gals is fine mostly. Because you're covering everything you see on. Smith's is in. It is no way. No how i see boy on him. Even in the work room from the beginning his speeches are just very very soft and then once he puts his makeup wants like. Oh my god. He looks like a doll He looks like a doll bargain but his makeup is just is so much about him his loppy and the problem. Yeah we heard funny. Hey vary but and i will also this month thing at the beginning. I loved this but the more he talks. I want to punch him in the face. And that is easy oddly. And it's just like i get your aesthetic. I actually liked. I love his drag. But i think it's really interesting where you're like. I'm just keeping it real. I just want to be real with you. Wanna be ruled girl. You look fucked up way but then you get mad at silky you giving your pay me you wanna give it. They give their opinion. It hurts your freelance. I'm like yeah baby. That's not the same thing. He seemed very immature to me. That dirty maturity you think he is. He has to be this his twenties or thirties. I don't know this is what he has an illness. That's done things in. His head is four because when he does like little pattern is head. But i still find him very mean and not it. Kind of is like when raven was on raven wiscon- amine not on red raven. Look like what a not remember the name but as doesn't kuwait with album drag handsome handsome handsome things on the second season i think that's skirting tyra dan. Whoa whoa queen. Got forty five swimsuit. No i'm talking about tyrod clean. We've divorce in. He wouldn't you wouldn't pick that voice up and he could have fun and he turned it to the tires. Oh damn i'm talking about that. One tower oh my tabora because i love madera high love. You bring me back. You bet. Oddly dislike is the bad part. Really what it is that her opinion is. I don't disagree with our our pain. It's the words mean things in this the way you're saying and i'm just keeping it real with you my okay so i punch you in the face them keeping real with you here but it seemed like she she's mean but she can't take critique and you stay calm you can give critique but you can't take because one will you know cause tavern tyra does every season i'm like please stop continuously asking them who should go home because you know that's going to like eighteen right so yeah you may say then i'm like i say they can't unwind no sisters competition but only to anybody. I'm like i'm not doing that. Act to song. I don't like his personality. I don't either but is like creepy with the eyes and his know everything about him. I don't see pretty girl. Yeah i never thought. I love his drag. What it is. I don't like it. i don't wanna see his skinny ass paying. But i just. It just doesn't do anything for me. I don't know it just seems like a mean girl could seek can say anything about anybody but if anyone away crime by. But i'm sick. I have an illness and you can't hide your vein g alone 'cause 'cause they do fuck him or is like that. Forget that bitch. i'm from chicago. I am from new york. Kick your ass really. And i saw video is kind of take a beat and just go look. I was just mad because you said this in that. Really set me off this fair. It was like you want you say about my feelings. Hannah right to be like okay. That's really fucked up. I'm your friend you like always gassing me up and then you get there it's like i'm veges on politics that third and the and it was like wait a minute and it was like shall if you'll get the hell out of here jesus. I love the am rooting for in. He is so dead on funny early voices. Sometimes like you saying we're going subtitles. Like what did you say. Just keep saying this keeps saying. Because i'm gonna meet this. He's probably like five feet tall. I'll be so he mounts up silk. Silky nutmeg denali. Arnaud no girls that act like real women that act like that saying that real women. But i'm saying that all born women act like like him but oddly yet and it's just like who. I don't mean girl a sometimes i forget about how she didn't have the girl who liked to clear a. Oh my god. And that's why i like. I like brooklyn heights too. But i feel like vanessa method names. Matteo was robbed. And mike you for nestle was and i don't see why they keep picking you but i think it's because you know brooklyn's a little bit it seems like she's a little bit more polished the everybody yes. She is a bit more polish in her. Run that runway. She is good insead. She's good good so watch is just like this woman doing. I don't even know what that bali term is when you go all the way on your tolls omar god as the is boyfriend right exactly so much really live i did like. I think nina was very talented but one thing needed was missing. She wasn't s. pray her face. Very the person. I think sugarcane was terrible. You know like how banji is like a pretty boy in a pretty woman and brooklyn is a good looking and pretty man and in even still nutmeg knowledge. You slobby man but when he has a pretty face yams out with which comes just. She was so talented money in her. Max game was funny like she. Just head cannot okay. No that was the word. I m finding. It's net game has been getting worse pataca ogden like yacht. You know what they really need to do is start having a theme for snatch game meaning like like yeah reality housewives fishing or actresses help or gay icons pick one maffioli. God is saying still with an online this hard because some people say this one was all it was hard to watch. Because i'm like i tell you what do i don't sing. I just wanted. Mike is only nine. She's things that the drop of a hat would you. Are you kidding. And and whoopi goat here like girl. The makeup was like look like her. He do shit cause ab smell like vicks vapor. Rub small like big favor. Rubbed me out gear. You are after what about that. I don't know anything about him. I just don't back to win. I do is okay. So i think top threes want to end up being. I don't see brooklyn leaving. I think it's gonna end up being brooklyn banji. Insanity might be like in the middle for me top seeing violence economy in the middle. who know. that's what i'm saying like it's like i feel like silk even though she a slot bowl in every so deg on finding someday cracks me up as slick rewatch the episode. What's yeah yeah. But maybe so but they really like vs aesthetic so so easy fancy. I feel like that here. Yeah that's true so might be brooklyn timing of curious there. Even though sometimes they'll be in the line at least the main like took it personally to them like her. I and i was being nice to you. And i'm giving you critique but it's the way you said it true. It's that you might of like. Hey so this is what happened on a runway. I just think that you know if you do this help. If with your static so you look a little bit more policy. That's different than you get in front of the is gone now. I think so. You should go home because she is a polish one here and this like of like okay. Don't don't don't do that especially if y'all have been cool up to this point people looking at you like you a snake. Because you're doing snakes you exactly. I'm sorry why not. Okay the viruses being honest. I'm like no. He also could be the way that you're saying is like i like everybody here. But if you're asking me strictly based on performance. This is what i'm going to say. Okay that's totally different than you know her. Because chow. Please have a question yeah okay. Him didn't silky kind of look like a network room. She smelly her in the evening. Look like as way and this. All tight knitted big worker. Ooh ooh you all you know. They look like they smell the smell okay. I'm your mom would say that but may yeah for our hope mr. They do have a reunion. 'cause i can't wait to see this reunion because you know everybody don't look who deliver show. We'll come back to the nuggets. Superpowers honey win day. You don't even see the contour right that yes can i. Shangila came back for the as she looked amazing but she fled also. Somebody else did my and it was like this. Yeah so. I can't wait for this reunion. Yeah but he's coming back and all is trying because you know you know the tea or the rumors are that she don't she don't fuck with blacks less why everybody was like she. Show william where the mess with us. She put the black people in the show but she really messed with the black people in a my. He was over last night okay. His reading guru is yet report and no. I don't know 'cause he seems the he has eight a lot about knowing yourself and very positive. I don't know if that. I don't know as rupaul can be very bouncy mean by the very opinionated abbas books but black them they don't have darker skinned black people in this is true so no. I mean to want to tongue complexion. I'm talking about as in. He hasn't been gay all rupaul. All his life he would his first name. I forget charles charles. Something has thank three names their child. It's something yeah shame. Read his book and totally forgot what this day was in neo talked about his struggles as does with all them but he is one of those people that talking about keep you have to put yourself in the position of thinking of yourself. I you have to do that. I talk about self love. How right and it's true. Talk like that but you have to be a big enough heart and love everybody else too. Yeah so for him to be that way and then go. Whoa not the blacks. Oh wait a minute. I'm black and we've any drew. Yeah thanks i around him. And that's the black queens dread race. Twitter that's catalan laugh. I don't know to say that it was so many black people. Watch drag race is like an innocent drag race fandom. It's really dark investment. This is like me but isn't the whole won't say twitter's mean people that all of these people to be mommy because you don't have to look at the people in your face when you say and yeah and it's like a you know have to be the one then they comment about you. Can't you can put yourself out there and say this. Feel blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. But then like five thousand people comment all holes on mean comment and makes you back up like we'll maybe i'm wrong. No you're not wrong. Don't worry about everybody else's comments. There's this it's okay to actually have different comment. Have your own opinion and have your own flag plant own flag. Do you have to walk in and yes born your own truth. Nobody else gets a vote. If you're wrong sometimes you have to listen. Yeah that's the way you know. You have the trout was just saying. Hey this hurts my feelings as dirty down during the riots. Both hey what you just said kind of hurts me because i feel like you're attacking me and that's the thing. Sometimes some people walk round like that. Yeah you would use the mafia. What has your problem. Why you want about what i said. When you get stronger everybody has a right to their in. It's not fair to put that on somebody else. Your feelings as math is no. It's not what like. I don't agree somebody when they tweet. I just foul. And i don't wanna see what it is so good curate. Matt tom line. I don't wanna see saw. I don't wanna see on my own on following. You like why don't agree on. Like i wanna harass here every day. I'm just gonna go. yeah. I don't want to deal with you. I don't want to see what you say. So if you own if somebody says something you can just get rid of. Yeah yeah. Because i'm like i don't have to see what you say and i'll have. I don't have to digest. That is a good place to be where you like. I don't care what you say. Yes the two networks so okay. i'm jay how about you would've page in heavier opinion. Yeah like yeah. I'll have exactly even digested you have to like. Put that even in your circle double. Oh it's okay doesn't make you a bad person to make re observers and everybody deserves the right. You don't have to agree with me. Get stupid so then take what you think. Stupid fan over here. Why do i need to know what you think is. Oh i don't i don't get that at all. Do many carlo is the best thing ever Doesn't follow folks. Don't one follow And that's it for them. They would have to come back at a different handle something that you keep the same handle. I just don't see an esa. I'm no i'm just curious. What's the big thing about having a whole bunch of followers for some people that get their voices out there more. Get the money but then think people who are applying high follower count everything that may lead to opportunities that lougee all okay. So it's a possibility. Oh okay oh right. Because i'm not. I lost it. It's on one of my devices doc. It's my knock. don't go look. I i i. I don't have any read readable in this arena ball. Stephen king has good one. Stephen king's son is great book. Strange weather did you see the new trailer for it. No not yet is a new trailer is for part two. Oh i to pause it because it was that creepy. I said no hail meadow remember. -an win barb. Beverly taber remember. When she went to the house with the old lady mrs curse is ten times beer because petty is creeping around the house. This weird walk is she. Don't see but we've seen. Oh god warren is he. Where's he had in house vote so so when she's talking to miss her yet chocolate of his car so he gets up watching our live here because you know remember. They turned it into an apartment along. Okay so she's like. I'll be right back. I'll get you some tea back. Does this weirdo to walk. And it was like what the hell is going on and this. I'll get some cookies at them. And then you're beverly's looking at pictures on the wall. It wasn't father do is that he was in the circus. And there's shows like a mate like a main pennywise. what is this and then the back. And she's like you need to in this guy creepy music. And i'm like oh god this is ridiculous. I'm like this is part of date comes out in september. I'm like oh yes i'm leaving. I i think. I wanna do. Because i'm not i wanna see you be terrible this person's lips together with wines raid and a really big needle commercial. I haven't seen a new one. Disaccord commercials come on. And she's having fun with the little teenagers in at the end of this. She's has this girl laying on her lap and she is sewing Together alert oh yes in the museum needle through. Her lifts in girls not bleeding. So i don't think the girl is alive. Like oh god. I love scary movies. Okay okay it sounds like we have a panel. I'm a thank you so much for being here. It's nice to be appreciated. Of course this. It's nice to have a voice yet but my daughter likes here in so guys. This has been with podcast. Everyone out there who is a mom. Have mother's day plea if you have you mom with you. Celebrate with our if you are your mom because your mom is no longer here. My heart goes out to you. Take care of yourself on that day. Do not make excuses. Like oh i have no. It's okay to feel how you feel if you're missing your mom so my heart goes out to you and i'll be back next week.

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#18 - Brooke Devenney on Fundraising

The Artword Podcast

23:17 min | 1 year ago

#18 - Brooke Devenney on Fundraising

"I've been trying thanks to learn a bit about fundraising and it's a bit complex. It is and I found I R- is something about it. And and it it was it's essentially essentially about selling degree Development and fundraising in its best farmers about philanthropy and building a culture of philanthropy so engaging people to become a part of the community that you're quote unquote selling so for me. Moca Museum of Contemporary Art. It's about inviting people to become part. Part of the community of Mocha both to support what we do. Our exhibitions our program but also to become part of a community of supporters. So you know it's best form it's not transactional like selling is like it is. There is parallel there but because it's philanthropy hopefully people are more engaged with the program. They do it more. ALTRUISTIC -ly so one is you do. What does it say on Your Business Card? My Business Card says director of individual giving so yeah and what is that right so in fundraising in museums Liam's and in other institutions as well any nonprofit or university fundraiser specialize in different areas of fundraising so on the director of individual. Giving so so I work with individuals or people but I have colleagues at Moca that work with institutions so governments corporate businesses or foundations. So we divide up the fundraising that way so he fought. Come into MOCHA and become a member. You'd be in my area I'd be in your area area okay and and if I become A member of MOCHA as an individual. I getting for free you do. That's going man perks mhm he get discounted parking and one of the main things. Is You get to come to our opening. So you get a first look at special exhibitions before they open to the public and we've actually reintroduced some other fun benefits like member preview days. You can actually come in the one or two days prior to an exhibition openings. So you can come in during the day with your family family and again see it before the rest of the public does and offers like behind the scenes tours. We offer a lot of opportunities to learn more about the exhibitions the programs or the history of the building. The history of Mocha so a lot of that is about engagement. Do you have any anti you. These individuals are in the membership program. The membership program. Actually I do so. They come primarily from the east side so silverlake Los Angeles that area. That's immediately adjacent to the museum. And then the other biggest chunk I'm in terms of our La audience which is the biggest audience. Formosa comes from the West side of La so Beverly Hills West Hollywood and all the cities of clustered around there so we've kind of two polls of these areas of La that are the primary drivers of the people that join and some of them are locals and they know of all the institutions and they become members that way and others come to visit the museum and they become members onsite after experiencing the museum. mm-hmm and do you have any. Id if this is changed. Let's say was the same twenty five years ago. Do you have that kind of statistics will do we. Also do we know this. Generally I don't know if we've done recent sort of like research or studies for MOCHA's history on that because I think that would interesting interesting is a recent study in Sweden show that more people visit museums than ever before. Interesting any kind museum so that would be something very local more museum for cars or museums. Nah I find interesting because that means that so many more people nowadays fine days situation right exactly itself. We have definitely had our attendances definitely gone up over the years so every year we're sort of increasing the attendance and becoming more popular. There's also more or museums in L. A.. Something people are generally more aware of art museums as la becomes an art centre hence freeze like we were talking about. Of course that's interesting sting that more people become aware of the art to think that's changing on do think. La is positioning itself as an arts. It more and more. Yeah so so. I don't know exactly what sparked it but la has definitely become an art world art center. A lot of people will say it's shifting somewhat away from New York to Los Angeles and a lot of that is Galleries both international and New York galleries opening outpost here in. La Big international galleries ord toward Newark Galleries. This is somewhat unique to La but the number of private collection institutions of the road the Marciano Foundation private collections that they turned into museums. So they're also open to the public. They have a public sort of facing side so we have a high per capita number of arts institutions in La announced that. Change Your Mom Kazan. Potentially you have a lot more people to To engage look for money. It's true so yes so there's more people engaged with the arts and you end up dealing with so cities like New York or Boston have an older established philanthropic community both generally in life for the opera or hospitals and the arts was in L. A.. It's generally understood to be much quote unquote younger. meaning that hasn't been that many years of established history of philanthropy. It's also younger city. So there's both that and the fact that there's more people engaging with the arts because of all these arts institutions so you're sort of adapting to the needs of a lot of different kinds of potential potential donors and existing donors some of them are more transactional and they want parties and Events and fund flashy and others are philanthropic and WANNA support Our kind of open ended that way the best kind of the people that are filling topic and they just want guidance and they're just very open and they want teach me everything you I know I would imagine. Imagine that within the museum director and the Hummel the curator's and then you have a program and then where where do they start talking to you about how to what to do with it the curate the staff that is like you. Obviously the market has program a series of exhibition here. And and then you must create a vengeance for the individual members but also I would imagine for institutions that give to the museum or whatever the communication between like the curatorial team and your side development. Yeah so at the best institutions solutions and thankfully were super successful at this Moga work really closely together partially because we're just a small institution where like literally in it together. But our whole ooh developments whole you know program is based on the exhibitions in the program that curatorial is developing so we work really closely with them to build out everything. We need for donors at every level for every program. So if there's a certain exhibition that opens to have a bunch of exhibitions coming up for our fortieth bursary. We work with territory all years in advance. When they're putting together these exhibitions to help them to fundraise for the shows so couple of years in advance when they're doing research and putting together the ideas for the shows will work with them to get a description of the show some advanced research some Names of artists or collectors. They're working with to borrow works from for the show to approach for funding of the show. So we sort of develop a little the world of donors around the exhibition and then by the time it opens will work with them to put on the exhibition openings. So we will then turn around and not not only do a members opening for all the members that are more of that entry level. But we'll have a special preview even earlier for some of the higher level donors and then beyond that the smaller exclusive dinner with the director and the curators and our trustees for those that supported the show as donors and sponsors. There's that underwrote the show. So it's all stratified. We encourage people to increase. They're giving by giving them that different levels of access based on how much they're supporting the institution. How much money can you contribute to an institution as much as you'd like Whereas little that's already of it? Yeah Yeah So. We have all the different avenues for people to support. They can become members and have a membership that comes with benefits and events and programs that they can do to engage with the institution but philanthropy has also just supporting monetarily so we have an annual fund which is basically MOCHA's bank account. It's star our general operating funds and we do campaigns twice a year that invite people to just support our institution by donating to the annual fund so that supports an does broadest way. All the things we do at Moca he advocates. This is an institution it doesn't receive an federal money. Pretty much at all. Exactly so MOCHA is the only collecting institution in L. A.. That doesn't have another source of funding. So for example the a hammer is a contemporary art institution but they are affiliated with a Ucla so they received funding from university which is UCLA and lack. Ma is the La County Museum of art so they receive a portion of their annual funding from the county and there's other smaller institutions in Los Angeles but at their Kunsthall so they only sort of working on a budget that allows them to put up a series of shows which is a bit more economical but MOCHA's different because we've always been a collecting institution so we collect art. We have a collection of almost over seven thousand objects seven thousand artworks so. We're not only collecting and building that collection for future years but we're also putting on our permanent collection shows and special exhibition shows as well throughout the year. So we're sort of in a special spot. Yeah very much. So so your job. What would you say was the most challenging thing that you do in your job? That's a really good question. Probably my gosh. I don't know finding new donors for Formosa kind of engaging New People to understand what we're about and know that we exist and know how important in progressive our program is is Obviously big part of our job is keeping existing donors happy and engaged and excited about the next thing. But we're always looking for new new people mostly because you want more people to experience the the mission of the institution. So how often do you meet. Donors I'm the donors usually you two to three times a week. If not more. Usually my Thursdays and Fridays are pretty booked up g we go out to lunch or I bring them into the galleries and show them an exhibition. or we'll go to a gallery together to see an artist that they collect or that's an MOCHA's collection or we might just grab ABC coffee so this week I had coffee with someone who supports Mocha who have only ever seen at our events and we hadn't had the chance to sit down and just talk and chat and get to know each other so we went and grabbed a coffee and another person I got together with owns a local gallery and again I'd only seen her at some events and things. She was attending MOCHA. Dan's I went down to the gallery and she showed me the show and then we got to chat. I like that though. Yeah I read like that. You become so close with these people. That's a lot. It's a lot of development is relationship building so less so about like selling something to someone. It's relationship building getting to know them and understanding where where they're at in the art world in terms of their relationship with MOCHA and then get to know them. I can help them in the different areas. They WANNA support at the institution because not not. Everybody wants to do the same thing. We have lots of different areas they can get involved in. And that's interesting because then the museum. This institution becomes a part of something like much much louder yes integrated and the art community. Yeah exactly and this is. This is different from other cities. I have a feeling right but now that. La's very good at being generous. Not Gallery owners actually speak to other gallery. Owners organize parties and events. It's something about people actually coming together. Am I right. I think so I think because L. A.'s. Now becoming this art center there's slick so much momentum and so much going on that everybody wants to work together to make the best of it and like do the most with that. Excitement so galleries are super willing to work with us to sort of collaborate on programming or support for exhibitions or parties during freeze things like that. Yeah there's just there's so much happening and so much good art being made that there's a lot of opportunities to share it with people and a lot of crossover. Yeah of course so do you and like the people who work in other museums in your position around. La Do you know them. Yep I've worked with some of them and the ones that haven't we're usually friends that's great and do you also like do you know people who have your position in other museums around the entire country. Not as much. La It's sort of like a because MOCHA's on the same level as so it'd be on the same level as other institutions in la where I would people and then the other institutions of that level be in New York for example. So it's a little bit far away. It makes sense that you would actually no other possible muscle. I am trying to think if I actually do like. I would know where to find them on the website and sort of reach out to them that I don't know them because I'm not by some people are bicoastal coastal and they'll know people on both coasts if they've actually worked in both and then some people are sort of specialists in New York or specialists in La being a fundraising being kind of specialists in La is actually becoming quite valuable. Now we've had a few people come from New York and they. They quickly learned that. It's not that easy to to sort of quote unquote learn. La So interesting how how's La Different. La's not actually small but kind of small everyone knows each other. And maybe this is true in in New York I think there's there's different centers in New York and sort of different groups of people in L. A.. The Art World is fairly small. It's kind of one big extended family family so it's lots of lots of moving moving parts. Yeah that would make sense actually. Considering it's also not known to be a city for art ramp. I would imagine that the industry of film making as much more diverse. Yeah where you might think certain people would say that. That industry's kind of small. All to personnel. Are Cities Personality type. I don't know how to explain it. It's a family thing. Yeah we have to talk about your background goose. I I think most people think that if you if you work with fundraising e you did. Some kind of I dunno studied economics or something like doc did you. I did not. This is kind of a running joke with those of us that are in development and fundraising is usually fall into it or discover it unknowingly knowingly so my background. I obviously fundraise in museums so my background is in art history. So I started voted out with an art studio and art history degree and then I got a job at a museum. I'm one of these people. That's on a few different jobs in the museum so Internet a museum mm-hmm and my first job was an events coordinator working for the Director of External Affairs for a museum. She oversaw marketing and fundraising for the the Palm Springs Art Museum and then from there I worked with some of those support. Councils at the Palm Springs Art Museum and these are Special interest groups attached hatched two different curatorial departments so I worked with three of those connected to the architecture design department. The photography and I guess it was this photography and then A group called the collectors forum which was a sort of high level trustee driven group that came together together to acquire artworks for the museum. So I did that for a while. And then I went on to get a master's in art history and from their sort sort of utilize that to go back into fundraising At lakme again working with some affinity groups with Different curatorial departments apartments at lack Ma and then from there I became a major gift. Officer at MOCHA and a major gift. Officer is just just essentially a F- A freelance fundraiser. For that institution. So I didn't oversee any programs or any specific groups. I just had a portfolio of donors that I would reach out to and engage gauge them with Mocha and figure out where their interest lies and Facilitate they're giving Moka and then after about a year of doing that. I was promoted to director rector of individual giving so I now oversee staff of four people so I have Oversee the membership manager who runs our entire membership program of over over five thousand donors the membership program and then I oversee our individual giving manager. Who looks after our upper level giving groups which are Abou- about five hundred people to do a lot more high level intimate sort of curator programming for them and then a few other support staff that helped me with all of our stewardship activities? which are all the things we do to thank our donors anything from simple? Thank you letter to giving out catalogues and doing special programs to make sure they understand what's going on at Moga and the impact that they're giving is having within MOCHA and larger community and then on top of that. I have my own group. At sort of the higher level ths Kobelco Fund for exhibitions and always cold again. The MOCHA fund four four exhibitions. So it's a group of high level donors that support all of the special exhibitions at MOCA. Wow so when I was doing my research about fundraise someone wrote somewhere that having a story around noon his money so important and that Kinda resonated with me a limit I'm thinking but what is that is this. It's just you know that thing you have to say in order to sell something Is this true or is it not or I mean do do you need you. Could storage argue. Why Mo- case the most phenomenal institution in the world? I think you always need to argue your case I think. In the instance of art museums in that kind of institution. The story is how you present your mission safe to have a strong mission and be able to communicate that well L. and then on top of that for museums it's the story becomes the story of the exhibitions or the upcoming program. So it's sort of on a rolling rolling basis so like every year MOCHA. There's going to be three or four different special exhibitions happening so they flow into the mission of your museum. Obviously were the artists. Museum were driven by Contemporary Art. What sets us? Apart is the high level of scholarship that we have MOCHA. Were setting the tone for the avant-garde Contemporary Art. That's what our curator's do what they spend all day kind of working on so that's the larger mission and part of our mission and then so when you're saying we of an upcoming exhibition and you're describing it it's GonNa fall into that same kind of umbrella. Category at it reinforces our mission and flows out of that so for Art Museum. That's part of what it is I think for other Like social good nonprofits nonprofits having to do with homelessness or hunger they have more intimate stories of individuals. They've helped or communities they've helped and it's more specific and kind of a different type of story so there's definitely definitely always storytelling that happens. I think for us it helps when we can tell the story of like a single child that went through our contemporary art. Start Program and learned how to deconstruct a work of art on the wall and like it's opened up his mind and now we can use those same skills to deconstruct math problems in school in sort of like think about things differently differently so there's always great little stories you can pluck out of our program and sort of make them specific to whatever you're talking about. I love though yeah I really do. I mean I also loved museum so it's not that it's maybe not that surprising. I think especially with Mocha like there's other for instance art institutions in L. A.. So we have to be able to tell our story in order to set ourselves apart so of course. Yeah no that makes sense and I think it is a bit different Also location wise. uh-huh yeah it is now down identity. Oh rugged and edgy and setting the setting the tone and that's always been MOCHA's and low armor. The first time I went to mock is a long time ago and I was walking from The museum from the galleries on grand down tune to geffen and someone actually stopped. The car asked me what I was doing. I'm just walking everywhere and I don't know. Oh maybe it was someone I think. Actually that this person wants to pick me up. It was more like are you okay. Are you walk this walk in downtown downtown and now we encourage them because it's only like a mile and a half between the two. We have a little map. Yes yes people walk for downtown's very different now. Apparently the the area between our two locations even though it's a mile apart used to be not the greatest very different now. I'm glad it's changing. Yeah I think is for the best all right thank thank you so much thank you. I'm happy to do it. Yeah thank you. Let me hit this

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Digital Production Buzz - March 7, 2019

Digital Production Buzz

57:18 min | 2 years ago

Digital Production Buzz - March 7, 2019

"Tonight on the buzz. We have an in-depth conversation with Oscar win the editor legion Goldenberg a look at new trends in visual effects and an update on how the writers guild managed to make just about everyone in Hollywood angry. We start with Jonathan handle contributing editor on entertainment labor issues for the Hollywood reporter last week a secret writer skilled meeting managed anger just about everyone associated with writers in Hollywood tonight. Jonathan explains why next brush Shane the chief product officer of mocha for Boris affects tonight. He shares his thoughts on neutrons and technology in facts that he's expecting next month at the show next. Joseph Niloh is head of training FX factory tonight. He explains how he creates a compelling demo for new effects software, FX factories, new YouTube channel and. Key trends and affects that he's looking to see at Penn AB next month. Next. William Goldenberg won the Academy Award BAFTA and ace awards for film editing with Ben Affleck's best picture winner. Argo plus Oscar nominations for editing the imitation game zero dark thirty seabiscuit. And the insider tonight as part of any insight. William Goldenberg shares his thoughts on editing all this plus James to rule with our weekly doddle news update, the buzz starts now. Since the dawn of digital filmmaking. One show serves a worldwide network of media special. United industry experts brushing, filmmaker Russian and content created around the plant distribution from the media capital of the world in Los Angeles. California digital production goes live now. Welcome to the digital production. Buzz, the world's longest running podcast for the creative content industry covering media production post production and marketing around the world. My name is Larry Jordan when we were first planning this show. We wanted to devote all our time to talking about current trends and technology in effects as part of our lead up to the show in April. But then life intervened, the writers guild is threatening major upheaval for television, and feature film writers that looks to reverberate through the entire industry starting April seventh. So we needed to make room for Jonathan handle to explain what's going on. Then we had a great opportunity to chat with Oscar winning film editor William Goldenberg about his philosophy of editing along with a preview of his upcoming keynote on the future of cinema at an AB. So we needed to make room for him as well. Still our conversations with Ross Shane and show. Schiff nihilo about affects our fascinating, especially when Ross starts talking about new technology that is making holy grams real this will be a fascinating show, by the way, if you enjoy the buzz, please give us a positive rating and review in the I tune store. We appreciate your support to help us grow our audience. And now it's time for our weekly doddle news update with James to Rufo. Hello James at be Thursday. Larry and a wonderful Thursday and five weeks to go until an AB five weeks. My feet are already hurting. So James what's today's before? I began I want to encourage every content creator. And filmmaker who listens to the buzz to go and see the documentary. Apollo eleven in I Mex created with over seven hundred hours of never before seen seventy millimeter documentary footage. This film is simply stunning a time machine. That captures the excitement of that historic space mission and trust me Larry on. I'm ex I'm serious. It's like you're there. It's amazing. It's probably one of the best documentaries ever made. All righty. Well, we've got a Levin the documentary on our list of things to see what's on your list of news US before has come out of nowhere with thunderbolt three speeds of up to forty gigabits per second. But only with US before certified cables, it'll also be USB three backwards compatible. How does this announcement fit in with Kirk? Versions of USB with all the confusion surrounding the renaming of the USB three spec. Now US before comes. It makes me wonder why did the USB international forum even bothered rename USB three. Some think that US before is merely thunderbolt three gun open source with speeds that are nearly identical to the spec. These speeds are only capable however through US before certified cables, and we probably won't see it hit the market for about eighteen months or so plenty of time for thunderbolt four to arrive if it ever does let's finally good news that USB is getting faster. And now we have yet another new name US before what's next black? Magic has announced their generation to Ursa mini. Pro this second generation four point six k image sensor has the generation for black magic design color. Science shoots up to a hundred fifty frames per second in four K. Using black magic raw and three hundred frames per second in HD in black. Magic raw it'll have fifteen stops dynamic range, which seems to be the ceiling at the moment for dynamic range and black. Magic has also made black magic raw available for the pocket. Cinema camera four K through this cinema camera six point two update. We'll wait a minute doesn't black magic normally announce new products that a be in the spring and ABC in the fall. Well, normally, they do but black magic last you shifted its major hardware announcements away from it maybe in favor of their own web. Showcase I find that interesting. And while this appears to be a completely redesigned camera from the ground up the Ursa mini project to maintains the same airgun casing and lightweight. Footprint prices fifty nine ninety five and grant petty hinted that generation ones are likely to get a price cut until their stocks. Clete since the generation to is going to completely replace it. But I'm really excited about black. Magic rock coming to the pockets and Macama four K, which is already turning heads for its impressive image quality and some calling it. The best entry level son mccamley on the market K. That's black magic design. What's our third story? This week. I'm talking to you on the road, caster pro podcast or mixing board and they're getting through a firmware update multichannel recording via USB output of up to fourteen tracks using your computer recording software. Why is this update? So interesting to you content creators are more than just video makers and filmmaker CS have podcast they have library cast. They have all these different things to reach their audience and the row cast of pro is really the must-have mixing board for podcasting and live audio mixing for under seven hundred dollars. You just can't beat all you can do. With it. All good to know. What are the stories are you and your team working on this week other stories were following frame? I is now SOC type two compliant for greater online security YouTube disabled comments on videos, featuring children due to advertise their concerns and compact flash express will likely take over the executeDi market. Thanks to firmware updates from Nikon and Saudi and it now seems genius that Nikon stuck with the executing format in their z series. Murless cameras when everybody thought they were crazy. Amazing with hindsight can do James where can we go on the web to find these all the other stories, you're working on all these stories and more can be found at Donald news dot com. And James to Rubio is the editor and chief of doddle news and joins us every week. James? We'll see next Thursday see next week turning to other news. It's time for Jonathan handle. He's an entertainment and technology attorney of counsel at Troy gold in Los Angeles. He's also the contributing editor on entertainment labor issues for the Hollywood reporter, which is why we're chatting with Jonathan today. Jonathan welcome back. Larry, thanks for having me. Jonathon? Let's get right into it. What's happening with the writers guild? The registered is trying to change the rules that apply to talent agents the guilds like the state of California state of New York regulate calendar agents each of the Union's has a set of rules called an agency agreement or franchise agreed. There is named for it almost a year ago, the writers guild Sanday one year notice of termination. So the existing rules expire April six on April seventh the writers guild is likely to impose new rules unilaterally. And that's something that the talent agencies are very very very uncomfortable with to put it mildly. Well, why does the writer skilled wanna make changes in the first place? There are three reasons. One of them is basic question of power. We think of the talent agencies and the guilds as both being very powerful. They both serve their overlapping constituency of writers in this case, and they have their own pepper functions writers guild negotiates, the basic union agreement the basic wages and so forth. The talent agents negotiates wages above that for people who have more more power and more standing in the industry so to organizations one overlapping constituency, that's that's the way it works in practice. But a guild says look as a matter of very basic power unions. Have the exclusive right to represent the United Workers in this case, the writers, and therefore any power that the agents have notwithstanding that they live in you know, they have these beautiful expensive buildings and lots of money any power that the agents have derives from us the union, and we're gonna dial it back. That's that's number one. The next two are two specific practices that the agents engage in that the gills don't like one of them is called packaging to aspects of package at one is you take a script someone, you know, your bring your agent script. Eight and says, this is great nature says this would be great for George Clooney who just happens to be client of our agency as well. So we're package the script with George Clooney. We're gonna persuade Clooney that Clooney likes the script. And if so we're going to go out to the marketplace with Clooney, plus the script package together and find a studio that wants to buy this as a movie or TV series or whatever this project is now, that's that's fine. But what? What the guild objects to is is the payment process that works in conjunction with that. You may think that agents get ten percent of what their clients make in general, especially at the big agencies. That's not it at all. They don't take anything from what the client's make let's suppose this Clooney. Plus Jonathan handle script pilot television series actually gets picked up by studio. Are they going to take ten percent of what they negotiate for me and ten percent Clooney's fee? They're not they're gonna take what's called a packaging fee from the studio itself, not paid by the clients paid by the studio and the way that packaging fee is calculated complicated. We don't have to get into it. But the writer skill says, you know, what that reduces their incentive to maximize the money that comes to Clooney, and and handle, and in fact, notwithstanding the fact that handle created this series this television series to begin with, and it turns out to be really successful series. Sometimes the agency makes more money. Than the crater himself or herself. We don't like that finally a newer practice called affiliated production, the talent agencies the big three, which is w EMMY William Morris endeavor, CA and UTA have all set up affiliated companies that actually substitute for studios and our buyers themselves and do production or production type activities you're not forced to take your project to them. They are an additional choice in the marketplace. But the writers guild says that's inherently conflicted that if your agent is also at least in in even indirectly your employer. You don't have an agent to begin with now, the irony is that one of people who's in business with endeavor content. The w EMMY affiliated entity is is none other than Bo Willem on who's the president of the writers guild east. So while the writer skill these is taking his very strong stand against -ffiliated production, but Willman is actually availing himself of. It because he got a better deal with endeavor content. Then was available from universal and Disney and whoever else. So what happened last week where all this blew up? Well, we've been taking down towards the April seventh and last week. The writers guild met with eight with managers to try to enlist them in their fight against agents. And they met with entertainment, lawyers and the meetings, particularly meeting with managers did not go. Well, the media managers was described in terms that we won't repeat on a family show but involved four letter words by managers involved, and with managers and lawyers both told me, and I interviewed a total of about over over ten of them was that the writers guild didn't seem to have the Vegas idea. How the industry really works. They didn't seem to have a plan. They were going to blow things up in a way that would make things worse for writers that this was cutting off nose despite one's face in the words of one entertainment lawyer, and that the results were going to be disastrous talent agencies are not going to sign on to the new rules. The writers guild intends to impose April seventh and writers are going to be forced by writers healed rules to therefore leave their agents because you can't stay with an agent wasn't. Signed the current rules. The current rules right now were were negotiated jointly between the agencies and the writers guild, but as of April seventh the rules will be roles that the writers guild imposes unilaterally assuming that the union membership. Approves what the union leadership is doing is going to vote on March twenty fifth, but they'll get their leadership look at their vote. No can't in the nineties. They you knew leaderships almost always do. So we're headed towards what's likely. I think to be the writers goes says, we're not going to compromise on these issues. I is likely federal court litigation on April seventh and all very unstable and uncertain situation. Potentially everyone involved is predicting except writers goal is predicting utter chaos. The idea that a sort of open submission process with notices on the writers guild website, coupled with managers and entertainment attorneys and with people leaving their agents the idea that. It's going to substitute for the existing process, which is driven by you know, largely by agents does not seem to be something that people are comfortable within the laced. It sounds like we've got a recipe for disaster coming up in about a month potentially so potentially. So the writers he'll is absolutely adamant. The agencies are adamant there have been a couple of meetings between the two sides, but I would say no real negotiations. It was more talking past each other. They're no meeting scheduled. I don't there will be any meetings until after this March twenty fifth vote at which point threat is guilt will be even more firm in its position that they're not gonna compromise. These the regio says look these are issues of principle this conflict of interest. You don't compromise on principle. But you know, the reality is the issue of packing fees could be resolved quite easily and certain sense by initial money by compromising and saying look if in instances were shows succeed beyond wildest dreams, and perhaps agency is making. A lot more potentially than the writers. Are we are cases that that that that happens you share some of the excess above a certain threshold with the writers. I mean, it's about money money is compromisable money is his lawyers like to say fungible. It's it's something that you can more for me. There's less for you. There's more for you. There's less from me somewhere in between you find a compromise point. It's it's it's not like the the Hollywood ten and refusing to testify before a malignant congress. But the register has taken a very strong position on this and their position on the basic issue of power of do these talent agencies which in in the real world today have an independent existence and enormous amounts of money and power and stature do they in fact exist just at the sufferings of the Gelb and have only so much power as the guild Danes to Dana give them that. In many ways is the most difficult to compromise issue of all Jonathan we're going to have to keep an eye on this in the coming weeks for people that want to. Follow your writing on this. Where can it go on the web the best place to go for the writing on this t- HR labor, the Hollywood reporter labor T H, our labor dot com, and you can also visit my website. Learn more about me Jay handle dot com. And Jonathan handle is the contributing editor on entertainment labor issues for the Hollywood reporter as well. 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Shame is an accomplished visual effects industry veteran and the chief product officer of mocha with Boris effects in two thousand thirteen something I had forgotten Ross was recognized by the academy of motion pictures with a science and engineering Academy Award for his and his team's work on the design of mocha pro planner tracking software and mocha's tools of recent been used and green book, which won best picture, and I man which one best visual effects. Hello ross. Welcome back. Hey, Larry, thanks for having me to get started. How would you describe mocha mocha is a motion tracking software that we have been developing for God. Over fifteen years, we use the software to to analyze the movement of pixels. Mocha has a very very powerful tracking engine that could be used to track graphics to video. Oh could be used to remove objects to stabilize objects. It's used for lots of core foundations in visual effects and post I've heard the term planer tracker, and from you, especially, but what makes a planner tracker different from to simply setting a few tracking points. Basically tracking is based on analyzing pixels and a standard point trackers going to only be looking at a very small area of pixels in windows pixels. Go out of focus or if the light changes or if they're motion blur. Or if someone hand swipes and cross of that area that will break a point tracker, whereas the planer trackers kind of using a user defined area to track pixel patterns as opposed to just individual pixels. But this means is that we can track things that go out of focus or track things that are very very difficult to track and from our perspective as a team, we've always just. Looked to make the process simplified though, that an editor or just beginning artists could could solve some pretty difficult tasks commu, some examples will allow you to brag how was mocha used and say green book or I man. Yeah. It can talk a little bit about green specifically because we actually feature Victor de machina who is the visual effect supervisor on our website recently interviewed him, and this is actually very cool because the the main actor who won best supporting actor this year. His character is a virtuous. Oh, piano player. So the actually used mocha and some visual effects issue new ity to replace the actors head onto a stunt, piano. Playing double what they did in green book was really really interesting. There's lots and lots of scenes or you see the main actor, you know, carrying it up playing this great great piano, playing some of these kinds of ideas do. Take some foresight, visual effects supervisor's. That's their job is to is to think about how visual effects are planned. So Victor was onset with the director. And basically they planned out all the shots where the actor would be playing piano. They brought in a stunt player. Who's like virtuoso player who had the the same build as the actor? And they dress them up in the actors whether it's the tuxedo. Whatever his, you know, he's wearing scene, and they also had calculate the distance between the actor and the camera and make sure that the lighting was exactly the right way. And then they would shoot the actor himself. Just from the the head up on green screen, and what happens is they end up using mocha to stabilize both shots. So then you have to stabilize shots, you're gonna marry them together using heating and rotas scoping her masking. And then you're going to basically match the movement. So that the the head from the the green screen shot will be married to the body of the stunts double. They did many many shots using this technique and green book, but that's sort of an example of how in depth mocha could be used. You mentioned one thing that I wanna follow up on you said that one of the reasons the visual effects, supervisor was onset is to plan the effect many times, we've you affects his being something we do after all the shooting has done. What do you recommend for planning visual effects? That's a great question. I think that a lot of people here the term fix it in post, and they might get to an edit session. And then the producer the editor look at each other's AO. We'll fix it in post, and we'll we'll send that shot to a specialist, and that's all well and good, but actually planning productions huge part of Israel affects there are specialist visual effect supervisors that are paid to go on set work with directors. But this kind of idea does not have to be just high productions with some thought into how you shoot how things are lit. Definitely kind of understanding the the relationship and the distance between the camera and your object very important, but also thinking about areas that could be motion tracked. So if you're shooting something on a green screen, it can be very useful to add markers to the green screen. But definitely thinking about thinking about these kind of things is a real important part of the visual effects process. One of the things that I'm excited about us and be which is our annual trade show comes up next month and everything seems to change that show. What are you looking at in terms of technology trends, I'm not interested specifically and product announcements, but technology trends that you're expecting it at an the things that I'm interested in seeing this year are via metric capturing what is via metric capture just think of it as hologram. Rams as the industry is you know, pushes into the VR in the airspace. We're seeing a lot of interest in that hologram aspect full three capture of performances, and I definitely think that volume metric capture is going to be a buzz at any be on the software side. There's been a lot of talk about AI tools in machine learning assisting production. So I think you'll also see that will be a buzz as well. Can you see machine learning help with affects the largest portion of facts really is like ice. Lading objects tracking cleaning up sometimes it's re-sizing sometimes it's replacing objects, and these kinds of things, and I think what you're seeing, you know, even the adobe sense, a kind of stuff, you know, we're beginning to see a lot of commercial software developers incorporating AI techniques to. This assist with repetitive processes, and the idea is that large data sets of video clips, extremely large sets can actually help a an AI sheen learning application understand a lot more about the footage and will eventually be able to Inc to help automate the some of the tasks that an editor or a visual effects motion designer does every day. So lots of exciting things thinking about exciting news. You guys have already made some exciting news late last year. You announced new versions of sapphire and mocha and continuum what's in the new products. So sapphires were of the flagship plug in a package for visual effects, artists motion, graphics, creators or affects acquire generates at this point. I think it was two and a half years ago. Sapphire has some some nice features a lens flares of Spencer the bread and butter. Sapphire very. Very popular Seton all the THE Abrams Star Wars type of films, the lens flare designer has been totally revamped. Also, some new creative facts for to do sort of like, a pixel sorting sort of very kind of current looked kind of it's sort of the modern version of digital damage kind of thing on the continuum side, again another plug in package that we make that Israel popular on with avid and the premier communities for editing. We've added a new product X it's actually revive of an old product called particle allusion, which is a real time particle generation system. That's now included in Boris continuum. And this is very realistic smoke in fires and sparkles that an editor or emotion graphics are can add to a scene, but they don't it's very very easy to learn. I think that's the heart of particle lesion is that you can just drop on an effect in adding. Realism without ever going into three application, so that that's a really cool thing. And then on the mocha side. We've just kind of continue to improve mocha for tracking object removal for three sixty VR for the three sixty creators. We've improved the rotor. Scoping, tools Boca's? Well, lots of announcements came out in in the late fall for effects will be shown those all at any very cool for people that want more information about all the products that Boris affects has working to go on the web, go to fix dot com. And we have hundreds of video tutorials and product pages and lots of great content for users to explore and as well as download free trials that website is all one word B O S F X Boris affects dot com and Ross Shane is the chief product officer of mocha with Boris affects Ross, thanks for joining us today. Great to talk to you. Larry appreciate it. After a twenty year career in both audio and video Joseph Niloh creates tutorial videos product and software reviews for the FX factory YouTube channel as their head of training. Hello Joseph, welcome. Hi, thanks for having me before we talk about what you do set the scene. How would you describe FX factory? FX factory is the app store for pro video. It's a amac. Download and it's a single download the app store, and what's loaded up our thousands of visual effects plug ins from independent developers and from factory themselves. And they also work in final cut pro motion after affects premiere pro and some audio plug ins or even trickling into garage band, logic pro things like that. So it's just one stop shop for all sorts of great visual effects. What does the head of training do for an app store? There's so many products that come out that at least four to eight times a month. There's there's new products that I create screen cast to'real for so people can learn more about what's coming out and get a quick overview as well, why you why not the developer from branding standpoint. It's it's good to have one voice. There are some developers that do some of their own tutorials as well. But when it's all funneled through me. There's you know, a good branding, and you're gonna get from our two to three minute videos that we put out I've seen many of your demos than many of your training videos because I keep getting bombarded with x factory emails. How do you plan one of your demos? What's the process, you go through it moves pretty quickly because there's so much coming out I interface with nNcholas who is the CEO. I think his title of FX factory the grand poobah over there. As new products come out. I get a license and an overview and a bunch of assets from the developer, I work with developer creating script and kind of coming up with a real world example on what their plug ins might do. And then we turn around screen cast video with a teaser and examples, and then how to use them, and then boom and out there so many plug ins. It's it's hard to keep up. We're talking to filmmakers what tools to use to create demos. I use. Let's see many of their plug ins are in final cut pro. So were creating them right there. I use screen flow to grab the screen captures. I actually bounce over to premiere pro to do a lot of the editing and using after-effects for any of the graphics. And then just on the workflow standpoint, I share editorial responsibilities with my partner in San Francisco. I'm on the east coast. So we work right out of dropbox lends further quick workflow, and we can turn these around. Like, I said, you know, four to eight videos a week. I'm sorry. I'm sorry per month. Forty-eight videos a week would be way too many. Yeah, we turn them around quickly tonight. We're looking ahead and be what knowledge trends relating to affects. Are you expecting? What's going to be hot? It's hard to keep up. When I go to NABC, and I walk around on the floor. I'm just as wide eyed as anybody else from my standpoint, I tend to be excited about the software. Smith's to see what's coming from adobe and cinema four D. And some of the on the software side of things when it comes to trends, I like to see less and less visual effects because they're become more ingrained in reality. If that makes sense, you know, I wanna go along for the ride. I wanna see a motion captured actor that looks perfect. I wanna see graphics on screen, and you I that are flawless and just go along for the ride whenever I'm going to see a movie on the other side of things my world is more in the corporate world when it comes to graphics. It's always changing. I'm seeing more colorful palettes coming out. I'm seeing these kind of retro two D animations are very big right now, maybe a mix with those two d graphics mix of the actual three d elements as well. So it's hard to keep up. You know? I I watch as many movies as I can. And when I can see commercials, which I don't as much anymore. I'm blown away with what's coming out of Hollywood and New York City and all the big markets. It's. That's factory also has a YouTube channel what's your role with that for many years? Now, I think I've had to look back and I've been doing videos for affects factories since two thousand eight market as I've done what one million videos at this point. I have no idea it's been going and going and going, and it's fun to I was telling nNcholas the other day, if this were accounting software, I would be way less excited, but because I'm video professional. I get all the new plug ins to play with them and create videos for them. But what we're trying to do with the YouTube channel is make it more of a pro video portal. So, you know, it's not just pushing their products all the time. It's whatever I can think of showing my different workflows stuff. Bigger subject matter like or should say more specific subject matter like, you know, how do proper green screen or how to stack of bunch of plug ins on three d animations to make the more realistic or color correction. You know, so there's more of interest to different people. Not just the FX factory plug ins as you. I look at the plug ins that are being developed by developers. Does it go in waves? Are you seeing that some things are popular one time and other things are popular at another? And if so what's a hot wave right now. The big wave right now is there's a lot going on in the final Caprio world. I do probably eighty percent of my work in premier prototype. End up jumping over the final project to use these FX factory plug ins, and what I'm seeing a lot of text animations and info graphics and pre professionally animated elements that you can relate for the corporate environment or social media videos things like that. So there's just tons of stuff coming out there that you know, makes the professional video editors job a lot easier and creates just gorgeous graphics with. You don't have to do them by hand. Just great looking templates. It's interesting. How social media has totally changed how we approach creating videos, especially for the corporate market. Would you agree? Yes. You know, you have to kind of roll with it when you're a professional so yes, doing things a little bit differently creating square, videos and pudding and titles and cliquier and subscribe here. It's your we're having to do a lot more for our clients for social media. Yes. What's your most interesting plug in over the last few months? What made you giggle when you're sought? I giggle all day long. That's that's how that's how I what I was just saying about those the text and some of the prebuilt animations, there's a developer called premium via fax nice folks out of Brazil, and they make just really gorgeous, text animations and infographics and transitions that just kind of ads of a real dynamic flair to everything and allow you to move fly your text around, you know, I just think back to when you know, if you wanna come up with a with a gorgeous, looking info-graphic, you would sit down and spend six hours after affects or by this plug in and it's been done for you. And it's gorgeous. So anytime I can make my job easier. And please the client that that makes me happy so premium via fax, they have some great stuff for people who want to explore the app store of visual effects. Where can they go on the web, go to FX factory dot com, and it's a free. Download. And you get to try everything out for free. That website is all one word. The letter f the letter X affects factory and Joseph Nyla is the head of training for FX factory and Joseph. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks for having me. Here's another website. I want to introduce you to Donald news dot com. Doddle news gives you a portal into the broadcast video and film industries gets a leading online resource, presenting news, reviews and products for the film and video industry. Bottle news also offers resource guide and crew management platform specifically to sign for production. These digital call sheets along with their app directory premium listings provide end up organizational tools for busy production professionals. Dobbin lose part of failure arch community, a worldwide community of artists, filmmakers and storytellers. From the Tara feud of filmmaking performing arts define arts and everything in between fail is filled with resources you need to succeed. What do you want the latest industry news need to network with other creative professional's require state of the art online tools to manage your next project? There's only one place to go, Donald news dot com. There. But this week's any be insight. I want to introduce William Goldenberg. He won the Academy Award BAFTA, an ace award for film editing with Ben Affleck's best picture winner. Argo and received Oscar BAFTA and aced nominations for editing the imitation game and zero dark thirty. He's also been nominated for an Oscar for film editing with seabiscuit and the insider, Hello, William welcome. Thank you figure. I could spend an hour just talking with you about the imitation game. And I really seabiscuit every six months because it's such a great story. That's well told so congratulations on your career. Thank you own ride. Your keynoting the upcoming future of Cima conference at the two thousand nineteen AB show, which will talk about in just a minute. But first what got you started as an editor? I was in college simple university in Philadelphia. I was originally planning on being a doctor in my senior year ahead a class called experimental video a lot of anything and overwhelmingly frightened to show any of anybody in the last week of school. I was like I said showing my final project. I showed all my projects. That's her very enthusiastic about my Philippians another and I love doing it. And he was very complimentary about everything seemed to sort of click at that moment. And so when I moved to California right after graduation. Came here with the idea of being filmed of but didn't really do it through eight months getting a jobs PA for small television production company, they were about to make television movie, they asked me if I wanted to be onset PA, but I asked if I could be the apprentice Senator fortunately for me, they said, yes. And then ultimately at few years ended up working for Michael Kahn, Steven Spielberg eh there. How did you connect up with Mr. Khan? I was working on a template punchline with an editor name green who I worked for several films and Bruce had did Michael's first assistant for during the Indiana Jones ears. Michael is looking for a new I assisted in Bruce recommended me. And I would've Mike often heart when the to came up to work with Michael I realized that was a great way for me to have somebody as a mentor mentor. Bruce, you mentored many other. There's who is that. I saw an opportunity to mentor. By probably you know, one of the top five metres of all time. So Mike hit it off. And he was able to trainee I guess in his loss via betting what were some of the things he taught you the biggest lesson. He taught me how to criticism what I do is take criticism for a living. Mostly people don't say that good things bad things when they watch them. You know, when you're in the process, you know, trying to make the best it can be shown studio, you show other people and mostly what you hear ethics, and but Michael Tommy was not personally to like embrace notes and changes in criticism enthusiasm and with curiosity as opposed to get your feelings hurt. Ultimately, it's not about me. It's about the film. What's best for the film criticism is immense at me personally. Just what's working what's not working on the in the film amongst the fifty or sixty other things he taught me that was the most important, let's put your editing hat on. I wanna give you a couple of scenarios. And have you tell me what your thought processes when you're first attached to a project? What's your process as you think about the editing ahead? How do you get started? Well, what I do re descript, obviously, and and discuss scripts by with the director. And understand what kind of film here. She is trying to make the more discussions. I have at the director of the more. I have their thoughts running through my brain while cutting. Why shooting this style, you know, what they're going for what kind of you know, is is it what kind of Thome, you know, they're trying to set with the phone, and that's one of the most important thing is understanding tone that out. Out. Depend on what the subject matter is so much research as I can't about what really happened look over the book. Trying to get familiar with subject matter as possible. You know, what the characters really cut allies, it really believe. So also when I'll do I listened to a lot of. Vic movie scores or just music songs. You train set a sort of south gate for what the ten the music bay will eventually be by creating a blueprint for the composer used by using music. So I listened to a ton of music and make myself working library and big notes about what I like about certain things that when I seen second action scene or emotional. Hopefully have listen to music before I've gotten started. So I so this might that might work. You know, it really helps I think give the composer blueprint about how the using the phone. So those are the things I've you to sort of get myself ready. We're now in the middle of cutting and you're about to cut a fight saying, what are you looking for in coverage, and how do you approach Faisi like or any actions hoping that there's a story? The best action scenes are weren't of the story beginning middle and end. Here's a good place for a lot of action. What else friendly try, and do you know what that story isn't trying to tell? Even though it's maybe a fight. Hopefully, there's a story that fight not just beat the crap out of each other. You know on the other side of that scene. There's some story elements. That's also looking for a lot of pieces of film that make it personal because I think what grabs audiences, you know, latching one eight story. And then also the characters some looking for looking for beats where you really see if one person's losing the fight looking really stressed. I mean, I know it sounds simple. But you know, I think editors get trapped into like a lot of flash a lot of fancy editing when it not when the audience feel like they're with the characters, you know, we have so makers lose the audience so often looking to really personalized, you know, any accuracy depersonalize looking so your character by either story element or the actor or the characters jersey. So it's latch onto something. Personal. How'd you tell the director? They don't have enough coverage. Maybe you really are psychologist year trying to make you should of perk up, the director FINA, Hugh, director had a horrible day. Maybe hey, take a look at this scenic came at great try and spirits by showing them something. It's going to say, hey, you know, you got a hard day this stuff really works. Get them back, you know, enthusiasts about going back the next day. And I guess I feel like that's part of my job, you know, to to get you don't wanna bullshit. The director. You wanna keep get keep your spirits high third Seattle high. Incredibly. Film. So. You wanna try to limited may lows as possible. What's a hard scene for you to edit, and what makes it difficult question because you're can be with one one character or two characters in very simple neck can be harder than a scene with fifty thousand feet of film and million characters and depends on so many different factors acting like what the coverage is like one of the hardest things I ever cut was was the raiding Zardari third, and it was hard because it was so real in terms of the way lit and shot. So it was very dark on the seals are wearing basically the same uniform with night vision goggles on and your your compound with a lot of white walls and a lot of hallway rooms and people spread out all all over compound that so keeping the geography straight of what was going on or the audience of all these different things that are going on simultaneously, credibly difficult. These things are all happen at exactly the same time. So how do you show the audience that not confuse them? You know? That's that's we came up. There was a sniper that was on the roof of one of buildings in the compound that they station, and we kind of used him as a as a jumping off point his shots up on top and sort of reorient the audience. So it seems like that or that could be very difficult. You just using your instincts about okay, I think this makes sense. I think this is clear, but you really don't know show. An audio editing is one of those jobs where when you've done excellent work. Nobody notices of always found that frustrating. How do you deal with with pouring all your energy into making scene work only to have nobody noticed? They just say. Yeah, I get a feeling that I take like a huge manifield sitting at the beginning of of cutting a scene where there's a huge amount Afo issues perform. Or coverage or whatever there's no issues. Just a really, you know, a motion difficult seeing than you know, seems to be difficult so many ways, but when I put it together. That it works. I don't eat somebody having on the back. I just like it. I don't need to be famous. This job took stories. That's all that's enough for me, you know, might being in the hero role. It's okay for me. In April, your keynoting, the future of cinema conference for my understanding. This is a discussion. What's the purpose of it? The purpose to give other some insight if some hopefully, you know, people don't have as much as I do or have sort of films that I've worked on give them insight into what I think makes good editing makes the data tours. Give them a little bit of my background. So stand. Stand in the process of starting from a college student all the way to you know, hopefully, cutting feature films so and if it's too how I cut y cut we said allow if some insight into what I think is is and how to get there. Well, as you know, the creative media industry under a lot of stress today competition, budgets, technology changes. What do you see as the future cinema? I see you know, to never volving thing. Streaming all these streaming services. I think that's going to continue. And I think that Content's coming from everywhere now, and there's a big discussion about what makes a feature film. Is it a feature film if it's a Netflix? So is not. But I think I think that all this all these content providers all this competition is some sentence. Hasic feature film made net net flix films Netflix series, Amazon Sears or so much wonderful content. So I don't know what it holds in store for the business in terms of financially and all that business creatively. I think it's just you know, it's just fantastic. There's so much good material so much good content. That Dana goes by where somebody'll say to me have you seen the series seeing this show or seen the show higher amounts dream service of things I'd never heard of there's so much stuff. I mean as compared to ten fifteen years ago, I mean. There wasn't good product. But there wasn't a nearly what it is now and television has become sort of to such wonderful telling wonderful stories, and you know, big budget projects. It's just I think all fantastic. I mean, the discussion about what constitutes a feature film, or what doesn't I mean? That's important. But I think what's important. What's most important? Anyway is telling great stories. So I see the future is bright. I mean, I I don't know about in terms of the creative element of it. I can't talk to the to the financial element or the arguments about like what the feature on. What's not? But I think creatively. It's really a wonderful talent that presentation is called the future of cinema. It's a conference a special track conference at the two thousand nineteen anybody show, and you can learn more about it by visiting and AB show dot com. As the last comment. What advice you have for filmmakers who are in the middle of their career and just need some enthusiastic comment to keep charging forward against all the resistance that we're seeing in our industry today. Keep trying to tell great stories that I love about my job is being storyteller. I've never lost my doozy. Into that. Whether I'm working on a project, it's mall project that really that interested it, but just needed a job or the most satisfying project. I've ever worked that I always get the same sort of jolt of energy. And from the fact that I've told a great story that whether it's a scene that I'm cutting. You know, I always to be about being storyteller. I've never lost sight of how much fun. It always gets me excited about about lucky enough to be of. We golden Burgas and ace editor an Academy Award BAFTA, an ace award winning editor and has added most of the great films. We've seen in the recent past William thanks for joining us today. My pleasure. Thank you. You know, I was just thinking a press release from frame, I o caught my eyes. This morning Emory. Wells, the CEO of frame I oh announced that frame. I o is quote now SOC to type two compliant. This means that frame Io's successfully completed a rigorous ongoing security audit that demonstrates frame. I o not only met but far exceeded current industry security standards. The security audit is according to frame, I owe the gold standard for security compliance for software as service companies type one compliance, which they passed a while ago defined security at a specific point in time. Manning that frame I o demonstrated to extra third party auditors their ability to successfully design and implement security controls policies and procedures to secure. It encrypt your media on their service type two compliance, which they announced today is much more rigorous this requires that frame I o demonstrate their ability to maintain those same security controls policies procedures and standards successfully throughout the examination period from July until today, without any exception. These are standards that cover the training of employees to the distribution of company software, and hardware and even to the protocols for guests that visit their New York headquarters this audit included examination of their policies and procedures regarding network connectivity firewall configurations systems development life cycle, computer operations logical access. Data transmission backup and disaster recovery and other critical operational areas of their business. The reason I mentioned this is that many times when I talked to tech companies they make a big deal of how the security of your data is important to them. But almost none of these companies have gone to the links that frame I o has to prove that your data is secure talk is cheap. And as we've seen over and over a specially in social media. It is easy to promise security while not actually delivering anything of substance frame. I o has put their money. And I mean, lots of money into living up to their promises to keep our data secure. This is a major accomplishment, and they deserve congratulations. If you wanna learn more or more importantly understand the kinds of questions, you should actually be asking your cloud vendors. Visit the frame I o website. They have set a high bar. Are for other service companies to meet just something I'm thinking about? I want to thank our guest this week film editor William Goldenberg broth, Shane with Boris effects. Joseph nihilo with affects factory Jonathan handle with the Hollywood reporter and James to revoke with Donald news dot com. There's a lot of history in our industry, and it's all posted to our website at digital production buzz dot com here, you'll find thousands of interviews all online and all of able to you today. 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Inverted Red Blend 2017

The CheapWineFinder Podcast

10:21 min | 11 months ago

Inverted Red Blend 2017

"Eight Dave cheap wine fighter dot com day. We have another one like we always do. We have a companion podcast for a wine we put on the cheap wine viner dot com website. And what we try to do there. Is We try to find out how wines that are nationally distributed. Because it's kind of funny because you might not know it but some winds might be in one market and not another market and we write about thinking. Oh that'll help people and it's you know it's only in two cities you don't you know he just don't know S so they tend to be trader. Joe's all these were doing some COSCO and some other things too but try to make us or the most people out there can find them and you know it does some good for some people and you know what I buy these inexpensive lying. Sometimes I think I'm going to write about one thing and something else comes up. You know. It's something weird. Six ninety nine used to be. Oh no I'll drink it just you know. So someone else doesn't have to. But nowadays they're interesting. They're fun and kind of mysterious and what we have day is from. Aldean 699. Winds called inverted Central coast red blend twenty-seven teen and twenty seven teams good That's a good bit of bottle age on a six seven dollar wine You know you'd normally don't expect winds that are sub. Ten Bucks specially red wines that are sub ten dollars and substantially some ten dollars to have Barely aging OAK BARRELS FOR BRAND NEW FRENCH OAK. Barrels can cost a thousand bucks a piece. And they don't hold that much wine and you can get Reconditioned American bales barrels for three or four hundred dollars. But still you need a ton of barrels a lot of barrels. You're selling the wind very very cheap. Adding thousands of dollars worth of Oak. Just the aging process isn't always easy so I was expecting us to be a brighton. Simple little red wine. I was Kinda going. Do how seven dollar wines are the American version of the winds People in Europe would drink wine every day. Drink that you know. It's just these simple bright fresh local wines that are under ten bucks. They almost never ever spend than ten bucks for a one. They drink daily basis in places like France. Italy Spain. The you know they. They cook their meals in this. These are the winds are just five six seven dollars and they're happiest could be. They're not like suffering drinking's wines in America. You kind of think the OH. I shouldn't oh I can't that it's too cheap. I have to drink and it's like okay. No spine to drink the expensive stuff but try to other stuff first before you go there. Try what you like an inexpensive stuff and actually know you're talking about a little bit by the time you go upscale and this is a lime that I you know I wasn't. I went on the Internet to find out something about it and again for the second one. Monroe I got black. His of militias site. And that's happened over the years. Where WINE COMPANIES? That have shut down. One thing they didn't do is they'll go to their Internet hosting company OR THEIR. You know their website hosts and shot up the thing down to these kind of go round unmanned and you know people figure it out and try to put malicious things on it so. I got second day in a row. Get there was information about the somebody who made inverted wine twenty fourteen but it got blocked. I couldn't get to it and I think that the name is just as being reused here. I think it's a pretty big time. Central Coast Monterey Wine Company. Who made this wine? I'm fairly certain not gonNA name it because I there's hints but I don't know for sure and they've made wines for both all these trader Joe's Central Coast before that were actually pretty good and that brings us to the inverted Central Coast Red Blend Twenty seventeen got some bodily age. So that's a good thing Normally inexpensive wines are made to come together quickly This is twenty twenty. This this is a wine. That's only got released recently. So it's good three years. It's been sitting around waiting to go a lot of times. Not always sometimes it has Tannin's and things and flavours to blend together at takes time you know if the winds going get ready when it's ready but usually the winemaker can influence it so where it's not gonna take for ever and this one the only tasting notes that had the back was about Cherry Flavors Blueberry Fair flavors and Noble Berry fairies blueberry flavors and Mocha and Spice Mocha very particular oak flavor. It's how you toast Oak. Barrel put a flame to it. They don't chart like Whiskey. They just put a little bit of flame to it. And how what kind of What kind of toast you put in at. And what kind of Oak at is will decide what the flavors are looking that up. Because I was looking at up to see if I could find more on there and there's also a flavor called MOCHA that's as big jug. It's like a gallon or two jug that you pour into the wind and it's got a I guess it has Tannin's in it and gives you the flavor of French oak and chocolate milk. I don't know if that was used or not. But there's a thing out there so if you like if you have a wind the days and this one didn't taste. All that much Mocha but if you have a wine that tastes a lot like in cost much money while there's probably a jug tossed in there. That's just not if if you like it. You know what the heck but I'm GONNA take a SIP era while I'm going off on Mockus my point if we're talking about all that is if they didn't use oak barrels and this one in the what's the name inverted. Centra cross red blend. The kind of fold me. I mean not that it's impossible to fool me or anything but I I kinda got the feeling that the that the spice in there and that the chocolate I get in there. Kind of sound feels realistic. I'm not getting that fake thing on it and the back label also said Ed state grapes. I'm thinking state. From what state. There's no inverted estate email. You want nothing there. Though the big winery that might have made it has a lot of estate vineyards and they actually made it. Which was at one of the clues might be in a state? Wine estates tend to have a ton of barrels. And if you can use barrels that are used once or twice already because you really you know. Put it in there. Maybe for six months like when they say barrels only use like four times before they're neutral barrels. That's for wine. That's been as a year and a half two years old when you're agents six months eight months you get more life out of them so this one actually tastes a little bit more expensive. This one tastes like a wind has been in Beryl oak barrel. It kinda takes there's zinfandels ROB petites around not sure. Other grapes are It's a blend of something but it's got that in there it's got like heavy flavors upfront lightens up as it goes along which. I thought was that way. It's inverted because or just brand name that maybe. I'm just projecting and things I don't know but it didn't taste like a compromise. Seven dollar wine that they merely just you know they had some leftover grape so decided this would they can make out of it and there you go. This one seems to have more thought about it. And I'm GONNA another SIP because I spent a double check my oak flavoring Up tasting abilities rounded mouth feel. There's ten is there. Tana's aren't been pulled out. I don't know it's A. It's a very reputable red blend. I mean this happened to cost six ninety nine. It's rounded has got some different flavors. Get tired it's got spice it's got You know slow creamy thing in on the mid Palate. It's kind of a nice little red blended doesn't cost any money. I don't go on its website. That's malicious and you don't know what's going to happen. We don't like mouse around here. And there you go so. I was expecting a little expecting to go off about how this was America's version of The inexpensive wines of Europe. And this is something else that's fine. I'm doing again the next time. I'm always surprised wine. And anytime I can be surprised happily surprised on a one I spent seven dollars for. That's a plus asked me so. That's it for me a day from cheap wine fighter. Dot Com We'll have more winds coming up. We always do. We always have fun drinking winds exploring wines and talking about wines even if it is a one sided conversation. I probably wouldn't listen anyway. I got no tension span so audio. We'll talk to you later bye bye.

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Episode #1777 The New Phil Hendrie Show

The World of Phil Hendrie

38:31 min | 6 months ago

Episode #1777 The New Phil Hendrie Show

"There is no shortage of action going on with our exclusive partners bet online sports is slowly making their way back of course with the UFC boxing. Nascar and soccer, leading the way and bet online has all the best odds all best lines for the upcoming Games and matches, so I want you to make sure to stay tuned after the show today is sports, analyst and host of good. Sports Dave DAMASEC discusses the. Welcome return of. Of Sports with Ben Online's Dave Mason. If you need more bet, online has simulated NFL NBA and you FC happening everyday life for you to check out looking for something else. Other than sports perhaps will bet online also has hundreds of Live Casino Games Poker tournaments, and all the best props in the business visit, bet online or use your mobile device and joined now to receive your new welcome bonus and start playing today online. 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Phil Hendrie show DOT COM and pick up on the catch scape merch. Okay, Hey, but is on the map. He put us on the map you know. All Right Now it's cat scape with shadows smoking thunder caps Gape, giving you a look inside under an over top of the World Lou cats. Here's your host shadow. Shadow here is smoking is back. How's how's it going? Buddy and it's thunder over the F.. And the welcome back to catch gapes haven't been around here for longtime. We've got a lot of news got smokey. What's going on the I've got cat scape news is a story that I thought it was very interesting that I would what I would bring it single men with cats less likely to find love on dating APPs. Single mess it again. Single men with cats are less likely to find love on dating APPs. Single men with let me tell you something. You guys don't know how good you got it. Trying to tell you guys don't know how good you got okay. Get yourself a cat and save yourself a lot of money. That's all I got to say about that. What about you? Your Dad is Henry Right. And he got a new girlfriend. She has a dog. She's got a dog when I can't wait to hit a stories. Is it a dump dog? Yellen met it yet. Once you meet that dog that A. Full report. What's the name of the Dodd? Kirby Kirby. That just like a dog devotee like. Sounds like. Fred macmurray Sitcom is something whose glory. I don't know I. DON'T WANNA. I don't care something of something from a past life. Maybe when I was, a human I got reincarnated his fees, so Oh, you think you human that reincarnated as a cat. I think so yeah, that's. Stuck up. You think you a higher being, and then you and then you come down to being a cat. Yeah a lot of ways. I think I was a high of being and I'm stuck down here. Cat Level you know. Is Too Esoteric. Too Far out. I happen to. Believe in someone precepts anyway, what else? I don't matter story here. Thousands of extra kittens could be born to some do lockdown. What, because the cats can't get out and I. Don't know if virus you know. Speaker cat. I heard what it was. A Catholic dumped the tiger. Something you know, let's not like a regular cat. Like a big bad ass cat, but it's still a cat. Go Cape, and I heard Tiger got the coronavirus within the Tigers. Okay, so Tennis you turn the music down because it's just taking me too far out. Everybody getting taken too far out here all right anyway. We're GONNA catch scape, so that's That's music and the the news here with good friend, smokey CC. There's going to be Katz born because lockdown Say that well, I, mean because the lockdown. The humans are home, so they were the cats. You know when that keep us in like with now working everything they don't care, but now yeah, because humans are home, not I gotta find out where we are. They're up and our business morning noon and night God, Almighty Yeah The story here, but and then another story here. Why video vet appointments are just a ticket for anxious pits? Then he'll appointments. People doing that they will turn entity. Well. It was a little bit more about this. Yes, is smoking here on campus gapes and hello to doctor Jimmy Kimble ducked Kimball I'm very excited to have you. Have a special line. Right down to touch you. Are you say so. You're veterinarian you into cats. You don't I'm a cat, right? Yes I am. I'm so you'll veterinarian you. You see cats and. My name is smokey. And I talked to. This is I'm the host of the show. I get Sunday. I'm big. talked to I talked to. Don't I can show you where we're cats We could show you a picture of this. If you want to get you, send your t-shirt. So How does it work? You know like the say I if I've got. Like I duNNo. Anal glands or something? I do is I. DO on some patients. With the own. I just. New York as I be talking to you that. You could if you want to. Say Nothing. I don't see that they needed because it freaks people out. that. I. I usually do is I have the animal in front of the actual stream, the video stream. The side was pretty what the ailment may be APPs as a touch of Newman as fast something speed. Nation so forth just an overall Sam. We'll find out exactly what it. Needs to be done as the coastal. Comes patient pays based on within your screen. Caveat, move in your. Come in, so can I go ahead? Do see his shadow. Is Shadow. so in other words. You don't have to go in if there's just just to talk about what's what's wrong, but there's something wrong. You've got to go win. Something wrong? To go ailments now you know. Directly to you, we should. Be. Yes what's wrong with you and you might say what? I I had I. Had FISKE's. To acute that up. Kept krispies patient. Yeah. This, he's always doing that. Concedes that stuff all right well. I certainly recommend the Diet Change. There would be feeding that untalkative any extra food and we give them of course. Probably want to. See whether or not. Wait however, however you own food wheel on the bathroom. Shipping scale his herself and carrying on a scale with them subjective hair. Wait some the way seem on the scale. They would come up with the week of the cat. With That actually right and it's pretty interesting. Dot Com. So that sunny. Day Way cats. You can a at home. Of the cat. and so I can patient Consultation is still going to come, and if you've got some really Oh, yes, my because again. Treat you I wish with all of that is really. And on way, too. I'M GONNA. Ask You at this is you're not a cat yourself you. Know by no means. Okay, they'll. Be. I actually I've got something in my eye and. It might be a bit of Pepsico better. I was very tough day today, so I'm Pat Manit Yeah. You know I was doing an awful lot of. We're doing what a called sanitary shaves. You know the cats, the rear end the water you especially long has you've got a lot of that stuff hanging off the. But you got a lot of hanging off their ass. And it is true. However long has i. get that done. To get it done sometimes I can. I can certainly understand that, but we do that as well I haven't been day. That's. Why listen Dr the smoke is going to say goodbye. Thank you very much pleasure, thank you. Thank patient, okay Dr Jeremy Campbell of the Cat Clinic in London England. Thank you and welcome. Welcome to buy some catch gapes. Special. It was good to by set of welcome. By some, not that's all. Right thanks to Doctor Jimmy candle, right. Jeremy Kimberley's England as a phone bill. Right they're. Not Going to. Anyway. Thanks a lot. The Jeremy Kimball left. From London England. here on caps gapes with, but you know they're gonNA do video. Go in and. Get A can. You'll be on camera. I gotTA take in. Video, consultation To come back with cap knows we have of course today's How dumb dogs contest at the best? How Dumb Dogs you know? How dumb dogs reason that just? How dumb don't with how it is? Easier I'm taking it easy. How dumb is the? How dumb is a dog and you'll win yourself what? Do you say? No no, no thunders gotTA. Win A box of bright's freeze dried chicken and salmon. was a bag a bag. Yeah, I say box. Don't you? Sit Bag, but Okay, they win! A bag of bright's freeze dried chicken. I've had it. It's fantastic if you've got the best. HOW DUMB DOGS YOU KNOW! HOW DUMB DOGS REASON! Take it easy, we slow down. You make me nervous. You sweating and all I feel very I. Feel I feel very tight cramped in the groin. Anyway. Yes, so dumb dogs coming up next here on catch gapes, misers mufflers has been in the San Gabriel valley since nineteen fifty eight. We take all cars, all colors, all models. We put into the shop. We slap a muffler on it. We give it back to you. misers mufflers has done it the same way since nineteen fifty-eight. Ask Your father your grandfather as your mother asked your kid brother, they all bring cars to misers, mufflers and now. Has. A great heff of go to was right now. The buffet put on your Clark. For half up to fifty nine, the misers butlers in San Jose Valley he's quite. We're in east coin and eastward pagot. That's how it's pronounced east because is at it quite old. Proclaim us who are in the San Gabriel. We're in the San Gabriel Valley and also proclaim. Downtown. And, welcome back to catch gapes here with me, smokey and thunder and here's shadow. Okay, we'll come back to catch gapes yeah. which has done did, but that's okay. Sometimes. You do. Times sometimes you do it to translate. He'll say he'll come back and say okay. Welcome back, and just I I can't explain. Any, we welcome back like he already said welcome back, welcome back to catch Capes, and this is shadow and thunder and and smokey. Okay, so this is HOW DUMB DOG SEGMENT WE'LL TAKE! Your phone calls to the best. How dumb dogs reason how dog is! You know. I can't send them. I make a catch some dough boy. What do you got a free phrase? It better okay. How dogs the person with the best? How dogs dog dumb? How dumb dogs a person with the best reason why dogs dumb. You go the best the prisoner best the reason. Why would why how dogs are dumb wins debris. Of freeze dried chicken, I let's go to phone. Call right now and his mittens. Men's here in scape. Men's. been. Wonderful. It's good to talk to you every. Going to sandwich and every day, but you're not unhappy dating. Back to. Once a month. Once a month right now. that. We'll just. Got Tired of doing it every day. You know it's it's it's playing. Board well. Maybe, it is I. Don't listen every day but I. do listen whenever I hear you guys sell always. Hang back I'll say to my partner. Josie something came back and check out cascade. juiciest to you He's by Tomcat. He's by. He's my everything. He's my altogether. You know my wanNA. Know Me That sounds very very many. Thank you very much. Listen here's by. Dogs I got this dog with the Jilin, I lived with his dog now for about ten years, the big beautiful What do you call German Bernard? St. Shepard. German ship. Jobs ship. Would just think anyway. This Saber night I woke up to this. And I jump on its head. And then I, just in ran away, and if you keep walking trump on head, and then I get a runaway keeps walking. The third time it goes. Press West, right stretch biking, letter, who the fuck is jeopardize my head I. Couldn't eat. Time's The charm. SHAPE AND I. Try Yet, so I thought that was a cute story. Their jobs told me to call in with. Your. Jump on the dog three times, Yeah. Head one time. Didn't do anything jumped in at the time. I jumped on the. hoops jumping on my head. Mittens great talking to get it? Set Money Thinking Story. That's already. It's not that great. You guys you all right soon as mittens with the story number. It's going storing up until you got okay and we got on a lane. Panta Panthers calling from Las Vegas Nevada go ahead plenty of with shadow a PINTA. How are you? Guys participate with you random doing fun and we in Las, Vegas Las Vegas a little place called. Miller city. We live in a house. I live in house. I'm allowed outside like the daytime. Bring me in the night. You know it's a good life is good life. I've got to myself and I've got two females here yeah. Marry Hilo Delo Mary. And do the here's. Sheba Sheba. Sure and so you know. But listen I got this story for you guys dumb dog I got this dog. You know at next door neighbor. HAS IT Chow Chow Dog? You have dogs. Dogs. She's. Dangerous not a dangerous I mean yeah. They can't be they kind of get pissed off. You know, but you can leap over the fence, Bang. You're gone. Anyway said he's Chow. I go looking at this a female. You know it looks like a beautiful female just on defense season for their. Child both for this female because his child was ready for action. You know and I? It was that Dasan of a stuffed animal. And tried to stick it. You're kidding me. Man is toes. Let that stupid Yeah, because what I do is I found this spray put on Hispanic feeling heat, right. And to win win. Dot donors a real like Don. Real dog. Just put the bunny stuff their stuff down at the county. Fair something. Exactly, so, what do you think? It's not bad I mean I. Try to try to stick it in dawn. Did. Try to should have seen the thing. Good Yeah, all right. Yeah, I thought YOU DUMB ASS! Spanish and he's got them stuffed animal. This guy's like man I'm going to repeal new. Ask the only saw that and I'm gonNA. Win for distinguished. Even try to even think about trying to get over the fence you know. that. Danny, bad any bad. I mean you know some pretty dumb. That's a pretty dumb dog. Try To. He tried to put the sex to it. A stuffed animal. Tried to put the sex twice stuffed animal wasted stuffed animals, you like the. House. Dad Dad. Fixed up with this thing. We spray little at. The firm stuff in a dog. You know matter went crazy. Okay. Well, thanks very much of a story and we'll see what don't you win? By one and I think you're GONNA win. Good. Sticker Steve You win, okay? All Right Cities Panther and the Senate is still right here. Yeah, it says you know Kinda weird about Take, a step down. I don't really says he takes stuffed animal food is food some town chow. chows a vicious. I don't how bright they are, but are vicious. Glad Spooky. You got okay is a final contestant for. This is earnest and Ernest Iran here and catch gapes. Hey, doing i. I wanted to tell you guys out. Dumb dog is I. Crawl over top of this dog every day. See they they do is I have a a I live on a farm, right? Okay? Yeah. Yeah dog that Yeah. I live on a four hundred. There's this dome and the dog goes to sleep every night between me and his full of foods. He's on one side of the fence. Yard and the dog sleeping in the middle, and I get a fence walking across the dog. Jump on top of the other fence jumped down and eat his food. Scared me so far. Yeah, pretty good. Yeah, go ahead! And then I get up on a bench on top of dog and a walked across. That'll data. The dog wakes up. Takes a look at his food is all eaten. And he goes. Through to can you tell right I did I'm like all? H H food. Only pissing him off. pissed them off. He goes how help you do that. Man I said I walked right across your dumb ass while you're sleeping and I ate your food and everything. We're GONNA food is he got. Gravy like a kidney died thing, but with gravy any bad. Get with my. Food! Tavist it's not even gravy. Man looks like it's been jailed in some canons sloppy. I don't even get great with my food. I just get straight. Meet, you know we'll only supposed to get straightened. Cats is Yeah I've heard that stuff, so what man give us a little variety, but now again that's my whole point. The only way he says you did not I said yes, I did. Okay listen to so you named Ernest Barrington Tennessee Barrington Tennessee Aka Ernest Thanks for the story on. Hang on only three. You contestants as we think about who the winner is tonight on how dumb dogs! L., it's time for shadow smokey and thundered consider who is the winner on tonight's? How dumb or dogs? I'll tell you my favorite guy right now. Is that Ernest Guy? You'll come I? Like the idea of him chomping at dog, walk over top of him. What do you think? Jumped on the. Now. That I like I like. I like Mittens do jumping on Saint Bernards head. Okay. That's two votes to one so I guess I lose. You guys went What are you GonNa? Do? Hey, what are you gonNa, do okay so a win tonight. Is mittens with the story about jumping on that On that saints head. You get mittens back here so mid June winner congratulations. Thanks so much I love to freeze dried, Bryce the chicken and the show. You like Salmon, not really no. Just give me the chicken. Okay we'll. You would send you well. We gotta send you the Salmon to. Win Ago. Congratulations the admittance winning acts wonderful. I love you guys I, love you guys every single night. Mature on your only on once a month. Okay well every month that you're on, thank you for calling and congratulations and to all of you guys participant participatory. Participation participation participating participating in cat in the cat. HOW DOGS CATS SCAPE CONTESTS? Congratulations for participating I guess you know. Yeah, but you didn't win. Win. This is cuts gapes with shadow smokey thunder. We'll be right back. Mark Brown Hauer here for the Brown our newsletter. What's going on in Washington? Why is Wall Street collapsing under the weight of debt? And what can you do about it? How about nothing when you read the Brown Howard newsletter? You'll find out that the world is coming to an end. You'll lose all of your money even if you tied up in gold and there's nothing you're sad. Sadness can do about it mark. Brown for thirty five years has been predicting the economy of the United States wrongly, and he can do it for you. No matter what you're in stocks, bonds hot water. A you can get out using. Bomar Ron Howard method along with the newsletter, he uses a method, a method, being able to equate your money to that of tea, leaves or dirt or something that you can trade like pelzer skins imagine that trading pelts trading hides. You can make your weight in gold, or at least your weight and hides by going into Hyde. Trading Mark Braun hide trader manual. We'll show you. How Mark Brian How're has been an entrepreneur for at least thirty one years before that we aren't saying there was a prison sentence mark brought. How're trade hides trade pelts? Buy Gold by stocks. Lose it all Ron. Howard statistics have him substitute. Cancun some just mumbling bunched up doesn't mean anything. Welcome back to cats gapes. Here then is shadow. Okay got a story Kennedy's. What do you think about? Are you chipped? have. You got a chip on you to tell people who you is. I don't know maybe when I was like born is something. I do much sure what I do here's a story about a cat that got that was chipped, right and Talking about chipped means that the name of the owner get in the name of your mommy. Dead Zone their. Soap Utah woman reunited with missing Kenneth that ten years get out of here. I am dog trapping me would I thought crap. You know this is true Utah. Woman united with missing cat sat. And how do we know because at a chip see a Utah animal shelters set a cat that went missing. Ten years ago was reunited with ONA after being brought in as a stray the to to say to to to. City animal to Ellie city animal shelters, et Cetera. To tool city animal shelter, wait a minute. Let me see. Okay you guys know how many different ways give smell, T., O., E., L. E.. L.! to L L. City get out of here to L. E.. Anyway to city animal shelters, said a stray cat was recently brought into the shelter by a person who said they'd been feeding the stray feline, but they were preparing to move, and we're concerned about leaving the cat without a consistent source of food. How about that Bad thing the Kennedy thank. God says tough man. If you don't have no source of food, you gotta go into the forest and hang out with feral cats. You ever done that Nano and that night. A very tough. FERAL CATS are kick ass. KICK ASS! You can kick you black for drill. Yeah, yeah, okay, get it already God anyway. Nine have been no stray that that I remember anyway, but this animal shelters scandal microchips. He said this was brought in, but it's person. And the person says I got to leave. I can't feed a cat, and they said okay, and they scan the cat for this microchip. Who the person is right and this stay scandal kit with a for my coach, and they found the contact information for a man who identified the cat as Mocha his daughter's cat. The man said Mocha gone missing from the family's home ten years earlier when his daughter was a teenager demands daughter now an adult came into the shoulder and was reunited with a long lost pet. The shelter said the story should serve. Serve as a reminder of how important it is to bring straight aminals stray animals to be scanned for microchips. We happen to have MOCHA the language now from too little. What at town is yeah? We got more kind of phone to find out about this history very bizarre story MOCHA, but we're glad I guess that you you got back to your place where you live how you feel about that I don't know. Guess I was on my own. and. The job I was able to make my way. I get three squares or daily to day and. Made a lot of friends that was designed anyone's yard, but now I'm back with. These people are very happy to be back. With making. But I'm I'm bad with these people. Let me go. See, I was Gonna I was GONNA. Say these people didn't take care of you in the first place and they let you exactly so. Touching the same day guilty. They got a lot of remorse about letting you go. Woman does. The the GAL owner was very close to at one time. Very nice girl, but she was a teenager. I wouldn't know her now over top of, but apparently she owned species got. Hit but. I was skinny and a little underway, but another west of win you. Know I I. I ran away because I was an outdoor cat, and they never did really take care of shaping. You you split the trying to find somebody Happy. And I made my way around to rally for a number of years I think but as for them as Provo. PROVO. Truck or something a car forget. I made my way by way of Alliott knife and. There's some good eating. Good Alley living there then came back on after twelve, and finally they got me and having this shelter so when you got into the shoulder. That must've felt like you were dead I thought I was dead me. Yeah, and but not. Can meet the chip. And today, the talking I and Where are you right now? The city talks from. Do, they love me and they want me, but here I am I got to get them in the city park and if just brad me I'm GonNa. Kill this bird. That's right in front of me right now. What are you doing? Okay, and what the hell happened there. The owner come phone them. Come him going to have to call back. Okay. I'll come on. Call him back. Man I wanNA find out what the hell happened it. God Damn you kidding. Hey Listen MOCHA is shadow here to show. My own came and got me. And, so you pick up gase. When I saw. That quayle and is about to just go ahead and. Keep pick me up. Off! Bad so thanks guys good talking to you. GotTa have a best. Offense. This does this seem very bright. Does she understand what you're saying bad? No bad now. She doesn't understand Jack Shit. Okay, listen at least you're home and you got some food. It'll be all right. Thanks guys smoke. who was a stray cat for ten years about that boy? I'll tell you that to me. That's a happy ending if it's a happy ending. I mean she's. A street? Yes, so listen the next time you're a cat and you're out. You're strike head. It ain't that. Maybe they'd such a good thing. You got shipping because they're gonNA bring you back. If they find out who you are right, and then you're GONNA be right back in the same place so I duNno I duNno. Anyway happy. Keep from getting chip I. Don't think there's any way you can keep from getting chip, but they're gonNA. Put a chip in your you know. But when the chips down, you'll find a way. said. Say Okay. That's not bad. That's not bad. Thank you very much. This has been cascade with shadows. smokey and thunder cat scape brought to you by. 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Curb Your Enthusiasm | Season 10, Episode 9 Recap: Beep Panic

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Curb Your Enthusiasm | Season 10, Episode 9 Recap: Beep Panic

"The check this out. I got word that. Who through this crazy party in Beverly Hills with literally all of the biggest reality TV stars? I'm talking about all the Bravo. Labs Candy Horseshoe Williams James Kennedy. Jack's Taylor even happen within the League and Kate chastain. Here's the genius part. If you WANNA find out what happened at the party you have to watch the commercials. Yes I know I'll be tuning in and then signing up for a free trial to get my favorite reality. Tv SHOWS AT HULU DOT COM curb. Your enthusiasm season. Ten episode nine is over but we are just getting started here on the curb. Your enthusiasm post show recap and now here. The guys who are loaded up on German Poland Peel liquorice. I'm Rob Cicirino here with Akiba a winokur uncle. Ki-be how are you? I mean there's a lot of worse things you said. You're going to sit here. The guys who just had diarrhea him in. If we've got the next thing you know other just as a draft yet of course who will never sweat into your soup. Yes yes of course Jesuit. Josh I were you. I make no promises about never sweating into your soup other than I will probably never be around you to eat a soup ever again. So in that regard I should not be sweating into your pretty close to sweating in. Somebody'S SOUP. We went to that twins game this summer. Excuse me yeah I was. I was over eating. That is true. I was overheating win. After a bowl of Chili nobody would have had like Plated Like a helmet full of NACHOS. I wouldn't have stood next to Kiva for too long. Oh It's true I've never been. I've never been more like overheated. In between the and the ice cream and the sweltering heat wasn't it wasn't everybody's dryest our that day Difficult part there we are to talk about the penultimate episode of curb your enthusiasm this season. Beep Hanoch Akiva do drive. Yeah I do drive although infrequently like I have a driver's license but I can't drive at night which really inhibits my Driving because I can't go to work I mean I can't drive to work because there's no there's nowhere to go Right but freak around but then I drive home from work. I if I can't like dry myself at night get drive at night so it can't drive somewhere by myself where I'm going to have to come back at night so I do drive but but you know I. It's few and far between Josh. Have you ever been a sufferer of beep panic? Nothing memorable on the very reluctant beeper I am. I am a cowardly be. I am not somebody who beeps liberally. I wait until past last multiples into beep. I really WANNA disturb anybody. I don't want to draw that kind of attention. It's similar to the reasons why I'm pretty reluctant to block on twitter. And I'll usually just you if I find you. Annoying blocking the nuclear option and beeping feel similarly to to me as as it pertains to the the open road. I don't like the black. I feel you got something if I blocked you. It's like I feel like you're like some so horrible that I just asked to block you but like the list of people who are blocked. It's pretty small. The people who are muted robust robust list. It's a big list Josh. I have been beeped at considerably Driving the car. I think I may have been in the car with you once when you were beep. Data's deep data they beeping at me. It was I. I don't know why AM I. Was that a beep me. That's part of the panic though right where you don't know you don't know it was your it was them or if it was somebody else like. I mean I think the beep. It's such a jarring noise that it is bound to cause problems. I understand it's It's intended utility but yeah I do. Think it's maybe counterproductive. Ultimately in some cases uncle keyed you think that anybody potentially was the recipient of a beep as they were trying to put this podcast on today. I do think that there is a lot of podcast. Listeners are probably not the most careful driver. That's what I'd have to think like. That's why we try not to make you laugh on this show as we don't want people like doubled over and then no that's after you come to push a recaps very serious analysis of television and we pride ourselves here on the cast that we deliver that you really granular detail like we would imply that the leftovers or breaking bad or the strain. Strigoi were were berry very very very intelligent people here. I think that the beauty of a podcast. If you are a driver is if you do a good enough job at the podcast. The person is GonNa stop fiddling with the phone. It's like okay. I found this okay. I'm good for the next hour and twenty two minutes as listening to this podcast as opposed to. It's the people that make short podcasts. That are the problem. Yeah cereals the cause of many many ads because we were like what it's over it's twenty eight minutes and there's no episode for four more years. I need something else. Listen to. It's really a very humanitarian effort. What we do in the extended universe shoot. We're hearing these mega two hour episodes. Because that's that ought to be enough time to get from destination. People listening to like two point two five acts and hopefully that like somewhere at the choice that they're making we can't we can't go. Yeah so josh be panic. Was this a good episode of curb your enthusiasm so so or thumbs down. Was this a live Larry? Cup of coffee or MOCHA Joe. Cup of coffee. I took it. I received it enjoyed it as a lottery. Larry's Cup of coffee because I think that the world is handing US Mocha Joe's brand coffee. The universities really giving us that cold coffee. You can stick your nose in but do not stick your nose in the coffee all right now. We're not do not do it. I think it's it's almost unfair for me to grade the episode because every single day right now is so intense but like Sunday Sunday night. Just like felt for whatever reason the debate was going on at the same time like there's just a lot that was happening and when the episode began with a cold open which. I don't think the show has ever done before to my to my memory I was just. I was so delighted by the bigger with which Mary was. Only owning everything about lots Larry's that he's been hyping up in the commercial and going straight from the. Hbo Sound into that rather than the curb. Theme was a delightful surprise. That immediately I was I was pretty in the tank. So there's some things that cold open some things. I don't like the episode but some of the ways that had just cracked me up. I'm very grateful. So so judge at heart. Akiva is much better at being arbitrary in reductive about things Kiva good good episode or bad episode. I think it was probably like of the nine. Episodes is probably like my sixth or seventh favourite. A of the season which doesn't mean it was bad. I just think it was one of the less funny episodes like there was very few major L. O. Ell's even some of the worst episodes may be handling one or two a month. I don't know what's the moment you'd go back to here on a rewatch. Maybe we'll get into it but I didn't bold anything I feel like I really enjoyed the first half of the episode and then I felt like that the the back half once we get into Larry getting very involved with Diane and then going to the BMW dealership with Diane and giving Card Diane. It just seems so out of character and everything with the car accident Diane and then all ultimately Mocha Joe with the FBI piracy caper culminating in Richard Lewis Diarrhea. I felt like they really had me in the first day. It was a tale of two halves. Josh Yeah I a lot to unpack in what you just said much like the rest of the season just so much tapping and every single episode but the big the big one for me is the FBI stuff. Because Ted gives Boca Joe the idea to check out his screeners. Which is what's going to give Mocha Joe. The idea to to bust into Larry's mom really into green book keeper. This really dates the filming of the season right. This makes a lot of sense that this is like a year and a half ago or so that they were. They were working on this. They should've used fake screeners. It doesn't make sense. They using they could've updated or something like Rome is just like that was parasite. That'd be so much better But the fact that that that Joe gets this idea from Ted to go to Larry's and get his screeners and get him on the radar of the FBI the whole time. I'm thinking like Oh crap okay so we really are going here. We're really going to the great trial of Larry David and that will be. The finale in this episode is going to end with them being placed under arrest and then there was just like really no teeth to it. What like Larry Waas two hundred fifty thousand dollars? That's chump change for Larry. David apparently based on how fantastically wealthy he is. Yeah I kind of struggled to see what was the point of that when I really did think guiding us towards we've been talking about all season long just like the potential combination of Balkans different slights. That Larry has accumulated over the course of the year. Kiva would you make of MOCHA JOE's master plan to get Larry hit with a hefty fine? Didn't really go anywhere like even at the end lawyers like. Yeah whatever I paid it. It's better like there's no unless they tied in next week so I don't think they will like it. That's not how the episode ended really to me. It did nothing. It's similar to the price wars which were like okay for a second but you know they never went down to zero sense for a cup of coffee like the price wars really. Everything with with MOCHA. Joe was met. Yeah I mean. Why doesn't Larry David? It's a spite store Does he have a bottom line? Why does he make the coffee free at that point? If the whole point is to drive MOCHA JOE AT business. What does he need to charge? A dollar and ten cents for a cup of coffee. Also Ted Danson has like as much money as Larry potentially so it is possible that they are fighting a battle. The dance be endless. Ted Danson Clash Josh. Could we speak to the Like the how much Larry David's Latino Larry was really a sign of the future of coffee pure l. On every table at lot of on every table I mean there are some germophobic themes running throughout this episode. That I believe is the word Kismet like. Isn't that what we're searching kebble capital? I did it. He did it. Got Kevin here now. It's an inside job for three people in. You're listening like just like how does that happen. Perfectly perfectly timed that we were going to get to the grand opening of lots Larry's and there was pure pure o on every table. That was part of the Nicole. Do and the coat rack and everything and just like I don't know it just it cracked me up at the the exact right time. I don't know that I thought that everything with Mocha Joe was was a thumbs down. I think that like the competition between MOCHA. Joe and Larry was great. I just I think that they didn't fully the much like the scones like. They didn't fully properly MOCHA JOE's plan to extort because what was he gonNa do with a flair in Leeann weren't feasting on. Diarrhea licorice like what was his. What was his goal when he came in there for the for the sit down. I don't know I I didn't mind. The lots of Larry Versus Mocha Joe. Storyline especially the stuff in the first half of the episode. I love everything about lots. Larry's I want to hear more about despite store. It was more very cool with the no defecation rule. Like everybody's like flocking to Larry's like that was a surprise to me because Larry such an insane person that you're inclined to think that all of the things he is he's here are going to be major failures. But of course Larry. David gets to make the show so in his perfect world. All these people are signing on his insane idea another storyline. That didn't really go anywhere key. Was that so. There's a pl- the Vince. Vaughn is back again Freddie funkhouser and there's some talk of a guys trip to Pebble Beach Win. Susie is going out of town a while. I thought it was hilarious. Jeff dropping off Susie at the airport and he's too happy and so she canceled the trip. The the guys trip the Pebble Beach Came up a lot and ultimately went nowhere. Yeah I I'm sure you could Empathize with that like any time. My wife would go take the kids and go down to our parents and Florida right before she leave. She would say like Oh. You're so we must be so happy. I'm leaving and those have to be like. Are you kidding? You guys so much like what are you talking about. And the second she leaves like you you can't you can't even start jumping for joy. Entail there on the plane during I mean you know that they're out of sight for sure. Wife took my kids to little league last week and that seems like four years ago. I was so happy. They all laughed. I was so happy I I don't get that again Josh. Yeah not for a long time. Yes this block that. Walk around the block at some point. It's a good block. They'll have fun. You can do like indoor little league. Maybe I don't know what that looks like right right so That was funny but yeah so that the trip fell apart because it turns out that Jeff is a is a glue guy. Josh Glue Guy is I. Don't know what that means the group together new. Only yes. Yeah who's your. Who's your gu-guy who's your key. Young Guy Wow so if I can't plans you think everyone just everyone just doesn't show up. Yeah I've got like eight Orthodox friends that I left us but leave the group. That's true. Yeah I in addition to that know everybody. Everybody is tight with uncle. Tv He's a he's like really. You're the glue guy you might well. You're might be the glue like I. I'M GONNA CLO AFOA. Guy Personally very dumb survivor joke because Because their name was glue was the other but every every group of friends does have the Glue Guy Josh. Oh yeah definitely. I'm not the Glue Guy. Ever and that is by design very much by design a by my father who we were speaking about before we got on this podcast. The Great Dr Mike Wake Ler has a very very bad handshake and and it's intentional. It's by design. It's like a limp. Yeah wet fish dead fish of a handshake and he says it's because he doesn't want people to expect too much from him When when they shake his hand don't worry about more. Certainly I mean I think grab one. What his elbow socially. That's what I try to do to a certain degree like I don't want to expect too much for me My worst nightmare would be to be the glue man. Glue Guy. Malcolm glad well. Josh has a Had One of his early New Yorker pieces was about social connectors and how everyone he knows was basically through this. One person That Person Jeffrey Epstein. No wow believe it was It was the guy who started slate. I don't remember his name of God. God a lot going on. They'll great great episode. Everybody I thought that the scene where where he drops her off at the airport and she's just take me back. Take me back was a pretty classic. Suzy moment there was some. There was some great Susan usage in in this episode. I thought between that. And when Larry buried knowingly gives her the diarrhea liquorice like. You're you're at the edge of your seat at that point being like Oh my God so suzy's about to get she's about to get the virus you know she's about to be exist. Can we talk a little bit about the licorice? Kiva feel that you are the liquorice connoisseur on the panel. Have you seen this type of licorice? Whether in really Bavarian or German liquorice I really like Australian liquorice. There's a there's a package durell leaf. There's any Australians. After semi some licorice. 'cause I can't right now Derail Lee is like a big I. It's like these mini chunks though And they're like smaller much shorter than regular liquorice. But Yeah I am a lunatic about twizzlers. Read the first time I yeah like the Red Vines. Twizzlers pulling peel twizzlers all sorts of liquorice. That's like my favorite. Yeah but would you want like a like a thick girthy liquorice like that Akiva? Yeah I eat all licorice. I'm the I'm actually the wrong with licorice. Girth third length I would think link I think you want like like thirty feet of liquorice. I don't think you need something. That's like a tube of paper towel across now behind one ruins. Your stomach is one of the best things about licorice is like I don't have to worry about this. This is gonNA upset my stomach. It's like eight feet like speaking of glue. That feels like food. That's just like kind of like give you a good base. It's going to track the food that's going to be a bad AKIVA liquorice of of that diameter. Have you ever taken that? I don't think I think that's that's a big piece of licorice. I've never had the. I didn't know the Germans were intellectuals. I thought it was like an American Australian thing. But I'M GONNA have to. You know maybe send us all types of licorice and we'll put it on the wheel yeah So that was wild. I Guess Josh that the diary doesn't kick in until you eat several pieces of it Several fee right right. Because because Larry had been getting it like alicarte right by and then he was and then he was fine and then as soon as he started gathering with a big group of of pieces of licorice suddenly he get sick So I guess the lesson here is to to stay as unlimited proximity to the to the licorice. And you won't be. You won't be as don't eat that much AKIVA. Did you let the fact that Larry goes to the BMW dealership and makes up things that are wrong with his car to get access to the free liquorice? I do love it. I feel like if you just ask for the licorice. He is a customer. They probably give it to him. He doesn't really need to do that. you know but yeah. I I liked that and I. I of course love the stubbornness of Larry to buy the car just to win the argument Yeah how much is that Car Akiva? Oh I'm the liquorice guy not the car guy. Okay I mean. Is that a eighty thousand dollar car. I think minimum right what is a BMW? I eight is that was I. It's new. Yeah in the mid one one. It'll be one. So Larry was out about half a mil on this episode. Yes no more. What was what was his first car. He lost the car to lost the first car. The FBI found was what two fifty it said that two fifty per offense or two fifty total josh. All that's a great question because if it's two fifty per offense and he really got wrecked wrecked pretty bad because it seemed like Mojo left with like armfuls of screeners. Which is a nightmare. By the way if you're if you're lucky to have access to the screeners you gotta you really do have to take that. Take that responsibility very seriously. Yes it'd be very very irresponsible and Ted Danson's behalf to just give his sanger's to like that in in my world the way that I operate a total nonstarter demon offer it up without even being asked is absolutely insane to me. The worst thing would be to be asked like. Oh you've got the screeners right. Can you just send me your log on? And then we have to have the awkward conversation where even though we're closer. Greg. Yeah but I don't trust you enough to do it. Yeah the consequences are severe A. It's a too high risk for the reward but no yeah all right well. Let's talk about the Diane Character who has quite an arc in the episode. She starts off. She is a waitress. She simply Acheson. Yeah she's a what she best known for. Josh broad city broad city for sure abby and Alana. I think I'd be Jacobson right now is in the middle of or has been in the middle. We'll see what the you know. What all the impact on all the productions is going to be Doing a Amazon Studios TV series adaptation of a League of their own something that is allegedly or something that she's she's producing and starring in broad city is is her big thing right if you've never done any broad city before. I actually think that was watched about ice look familiar. I didn't recognize her very very very funny stuff. She and she's hilarious and so I love seeing her here. And I loved. Sort of like the nonchalance with which she says sorry for the delay guys at diarrhea like happened so quickly that I'd almost didn't even catch what she said. But like I I do think that they kind of just go on like a big winding meandering. Path that maybe doesn't Pay Any real dividends in the end. Yeah I we get the diarrhea. Then she sweats in the soup and then gets fired by Takahashi boy keep a Takahashi's become a real mainstay. I Love Takahashi. Takashi was a big part of the last season he was key in a few episodes. I honestly maybe my favorite part of the episode. Who is when Larry says by the way how you hit Mr t? He says not your concern. Not Your Larry. The funniest response to does he own the club. Mr He's such an Alpha. Mr T. it's crazy yeah yeah. I've risen frayed of Takahashi And then Larry had to keep the jacket zipped up also so he could stay in the dress code but then he fires and Larry Ends up picking her up on the street. Just I couldn't believe after the diarrhea after the sweat Larry's again my car come on. Yeah no that was unbelievable. Larry makes bad decisions on the RAG. So you know at this to the list. Add this to the list like this. Is this this starts a whole chain reaction of bad decisions surrounding Diane? He hot you hire her. He gives her the car. I was because I know that we we've been. We've been watching for this right. That the show this week puts it out there and like reminds us the fact. That lousy Larry's doesn't have a toilet for defecation is a strict notification rule. We now have a storyline in this episode centering on diarrhea for every and and Diane becomes an employee of Lotto Larry's and we don't close that loop where the diarrhea comes home to roost. Rose Larry Leon Richard Lewis all. Diarrhea suffers none of them are at lots. Yeah I feel like there is a not bad. Did Not know how to tie the threads right there. it'd been easy. Yeah keep was it too obvious because even I watched this episode with my lovely wife and she means it. Oh okay she's going to get diarrhea. And there's no defecation lot they Larry's yeah but like Josh. You're saying there's two deaf. Different poop storylines. Josh did call four more poop. Poop humor I believe it was on twitter. Or if you can't have it both ways where all we want to talk about is toilet paper and we're also not talking about pooping you know the to the to go in hand in hand. I know it has other uses well but poop is the universal. Yes yes there. There's two separate poop storylines right. Like the Diane's has Diane didn't Licorice. She's got nothing to do with all the people with upset stomachs from the liquorice and still we. I mean. I'm sure it's GONNA come into play in the finale. Yeah was that a missed opportunity. I mean should. We found that her that her diarrhea is caused by. Maybe she was like a German licorice addict and that she was like had like a win. Larry bring the share. That in common Larry's Hey I know a place that has great liquorice And then that's why he takes through the BMW dealership like volunteers like. Hey let's go get some liquorice. Yeah no I think. I think we can't judge any stuff until next week though because maybe it'll altogether an amazing way next week and we'll be wrong for you know shaming curb. What did your wife think of the episode? Because you said last week she's not a big fan of L. D. Now she she doesn't really enjoy it. yeah we were watching fleabag before the she much prefers yeah and the bursar episodes at that was good. Yeah she was Prefers the PWB L. D? He wbz cool. Yeah my wife was watching curb with me. But she fell asleep she. She's not like it. She does not enjoy She would be happy if if next week would be the final episode while it may may be the other thing that she had a huge reaction to Vince von. Oh he looks so bad. He looked so bad. I keep his Vince. Vaughn hot. I don't think so he's fine. He's not like ugly. I don't think Vince Vaughn is like. He's very tall so I know a lot of a lot of people are into all met But I don't know about much about Vincent's attractiveness as I do about BMW prices Yeah Yeah I'd say no I would vote. No I don't think so. I would be interested in the results. I think that you will get some people who bite and say yeah. I think it'll be. It's the same dancing. They'RE GONNA put him down there in about all right. We're GONNA. We'RE GONNA go down Vince. Vaughn I think also part of it is like Ted Danson increases in hotness because he seems great. I think Vince Vaughn decreases in hottest. Because he's a Douche and I think that there's probably a sect of people who are like into that. So they're gonNA THEY'RE GONNA be into Vince Vaughn. But I think it'll guess smaller slice of the Pie. Then it won't be a is. It's not going to be in his favor. Keep getting another big Richard Lewis episode that we culminate in Richard. Lewis is one man show. Is this the second third one man? Show that we're seeing this one man right. There's other people in a call that you're not crazy. Yeah I thought they called it that but there is clearly at least one other actor on the screen right. Yes hit the Richard. Lewis needs to show that he can be serious being flowers for Algernon nonsense. Yeah have you ever read that? I read it in eighth grade or something. Yeah of course. Classic Classic always sunny really good. Take on on the material and the flowers for Charlie episode which is directed by David. Benny Often Dan. Weiss of. Game of thrones Fame and they do a great episode where Charlie becomes part of like this science experiment where they're trying to see if they could find like the dumbest person possible and make him a super genius and he starts to act as though he is a super genius and like the the kicker at the end is like nut. It was a placebo the whole time. And he's still just a moron Spoiler this this was not my this is not my favorite rendition of flowers. Algernon but it may have been worth it for the very final scene. Richard Lewis just groaning in agony as the Red Rum. Liquor is was about to about to rear its head. We didn't see a ton of Leon this week. Either Akiva but he did have some good moments in this episode. I loved when Larry said well. Man You must love Pumpernickel yes now. That was great that makes it burnt toast. Sandwich Burn Unpredictable Sandwich Bread Sandwich. Yeah wow that was great. I loved it when he talked about Josh. Lo and behold Lo and behold. That really would've like that would would. Invade really made me feel differently about the story. I think Lo and behold is powerful thing to say you know I think like if you say Lo and behold you better have some seismic impact behind No I think that that really sets up. You've got something big about to drop something very some of the game. Engine hold Akiva do you ever. Lo and behold I am now he leeann nailed it. Leeann wins the week in a in a you know. Relatively light week for him like I lo and behold isn't Chris the. Bmi started dropping. Yeah he's the bean meister is the king low and behold I think I think we gotTA WE'RE GONNA start dropping that like three times a week every ever make a pact every podcast run this week. We say. Loan Hope Yeah Man. I've already recorded most of mine but I'll where a couple of hours out from the wiggle room. I'll get alone for sure. Well what's the proper usage of Lo and behold josh? I think it's a revelation you know it's like it's the e the mystery gang could be saying. Lo and behold as they yank the mask off of the old man who's running around as a ghost. Yeah Yeah it's like I say this is what it was. This is the thing then. We told you the whole time. Here's the big reveal off the mask. Lo and behold. Okay I'll I'll I'll marinate on now all have some good lows and behold kinda not too distant future all right and then keep anything else from the episode that you want to highlight before we talk about the finale. What we expect. I mean those were the really like you know he the the key parts. I don't think there was any you know. The FBI. Panic is the name of the episode but even when he gets run over Larry does by. Which if you've watched the previous I believe is is part of the finale that he is injured You know they don't even. There's no beeping like the you know when he gets over by the the motorized scooter. They they didn't really take the beep panic too far I wanted to ask you guys. Honestly this was my key question. All three of US married lovely women elbow on your wife would sweat drop of sweat in your soup. Would you still eat it? And I'll go first and say yeah. Oh okay what's what's soup is it. Oh good question. What was Larry Eating? I don't remember it was it was. It was more of a like a cream soup with some sort of like a squash soup or something like that. I think if my if my wife accidentally dripped sweat in my soup and I saw gross and then probably still to this extra sodium right. Yeah I think that'd be kind of altering the soup. We've got whatever she's got. I've got now so it may well. It's true there's no. There's no corona fears because if you know anyone in your house catches and you're getting it. Anyway you're gotTA do yeah. Is there any other soup like is? Is there a pot of soup or we in a restaurant good question? So you're saying if you're interested you're not gonNA throw out the scenario where my wife is serving me food. She never serves food. No I mean you guys just got to hear me yell for Advil. Yeah I did. I was impressive. Yeah so yeah. I'm probably out probably I'd do it do it. I trust them. We oxes sweat. Yeah it'd be. I don't think I wanted the soup bad. Maybe if it was something you know. What's that it goes your favorite food? Yeah and soup worse than it was a steak you can like brush it off at the Stanford would need that part. It's liquid liquid and now the whole thing has been contaminated. Yeah could probably out on the soup and then maybe I would like okay. Let me not eat that section. I don't know I typically wouldn't order a soup anyway doesn't sit well with me. Liquorice is to Leon and Larry. Soup tends to be for me. Saw Any serve reluctant? Yeah Yeah just not stay in and wants to leave quickly. All right doesn't hang out for a long all right but I love soup when I when I get. I just gotTa know where I'm going to be okay. And then you know where. I'll be afterward the low and Josh. We're going okay. Alright Kiva a predictions for the finale. Okay I'm going to say that the metoo stuff doesn't come back okay. I'm going to say that the spice store so Larry ended up on like not winning this episode right which would for normal show. He loses the second last episode. Usually that means he's going to win in. The finale over MOCHA Joe But I'm going to say that they have it. Both neither MOCHA Joe. Or Latino Larry's is operated by the end of the episode. They both burned down or they both are shut down by the police or they like they both run out of money. It gets sued. There's no like there's no way that either them wins. That's my that's my third coffee establishment up and takes them both out of business like heads. Cappuccino or something like Ted Danson store. It's possible I think I think the rise of what was the being meister. What was it the being I think the rise of the bean meister and it becoming lots of Leon's by the end of the season I could see you gotta keep the alliteration so you gotta think that in that realm who else I mean Louis has lots is a possibility freeman. Coffee from Richard Lewis. Nobody nobody not even if he had a wife wikileaks. Jon Hamm yet. Yeah Yeah I think lots. Leon's is not in a bad prediction. I think like seeing Leon with some success. Some success there I really would have expected the trial of Larry David but since he didn't get actually arrested. I feel like I'm a little add on the key Larry's injury where where do you see that playing out? Fred? Arniston comeback. Ooh That's a good question. I receive what the doctor in the in the preview for the finale. That's all I know all right. We'll have to wait and see. Kurban does he has them Nellie finale death draft as we often do on these things well somebody who's GonNa fall the hardest habitat like who's going to the worst week and who's going to have the best week probably MOCHA Joe. You think about the worst the worst week. Yeah I would imagine you could Mocha Jane. Die might take our very often. Oh yeah and I actually don't know that we should think that it's so ridiculous that someone could die in finale. This has been a fairly season. Ager characters like no one else Maybe funkhouser dies. But that's a little morbid because because of right right right right right right right but I hope he gets canceled what happens. Yes what happens with Cheryl and and Teddy? Who Ends up does Larry King Larry? Ending up with Cheryl. I think brought up last week having sex with her sister. That's IT MOM. And Dad are are never ever ever getting back together. Yeah Larry had sex with her sister and Lo and behold surveying act together. I think maybe Cheryl is On her on though. I don't think that there's going to be Sharon and Ted by the season okay. I don't think ted gets to win this one all right well. We'll find out next week on the season finale. Think we'll get an extended run time uncle TV. Yes I mean. They're all extended. But I think maybe we'll get forty two minutes instead of thirty six. Thirty Seven Min- this long long episodes these and so. I think we're going to be closer to an hour on curb next week. Oh my God all right hot we have gone on. I guess no rush rush Josh Curb. No I was very grateful for the laughs. Very grateful for the laughs then that I feel like it just bears repeating the cold open was just dynamite. Dynamite Claes open door. Believable doesn't feeling that there's he's really trading on how much bad will there is just a reverberating beans of America that he was able to tap into that and like bill it as a spicer through it. I can get down all right anything else USA. Today no I'm really excited for the finale. I'm sad it's ending. We started this almost as a Lark. We did the first episode. We jokes episode two and three all right. That's it and now this has been like a real. We've had a nice run here and I'm GonNa miss this show and if it comes back you know it's going to be. I can't believe it. What were the what were the chances crews says you know what a what we are twenty twenty nine curb your enthusiasm recaps? Look at US Ashley. Ten hopefully would make it the. Nfl hopefully fingers crossed fingers fingers crossed. Josh what a what a treat. It's been to have you here with us for most of this right now. It's been fun it's been it's been. It's the second episode episode. Yeah it's been shown the whole time. No Super Fun to do this. Wildly unnecessary but very enjoyable very enjoyable. Yeah okay all right really time Josh. You got so much going on on post show recaps. What do you have coming up bumping with some unique things to listen to right now? We're we're doing our best to supply them. We're getting you to Westworld podcasts. In a week. Now that's where we're at Joe Garfield and I were doing the recaps. Those are posting Monday mornings. After the episodes on Sunday night also were doing a midweek feedback shows. Bonus shows which. I've no idea exactly how it's going to manifest but I think it's GonNa be fun are I guess it's GonNa be me speaking with the robot man himself the person who knows at all when it comes all things robotics Christian who becky is going to be joining me to talk about. Westworld here on poster recaps this week. That's amazing is a great guy. We want your questions. You want your questions. Tweet them our way at round Howard at sea ubiquity or as I always pronounced my head shoe Vicky so so sweet that tweet that are way Jessica. Leeson I as we are living through the the novel. Corona virus recapped an episode. The walking dead that takes place obviously in an apocalypse based on virus itself and yet somehow we managed to laugh very very very very very hard throughout the entire recording of what we thought was probably was definitely the best episode of season ten so far this most recent walking dead and is a contender for one. The very best episodes of all is higher hind. Wow it was very good. It was very very good so we had a good time doing that. She and Mike Bloom. They've got star Trek car going on myself in the Antonio Zara we've got better call saw Mike and I we got lost down the hatch. So there's just a ton happening on Costa Rica. We're trying to keep you entertained. People all right and then uncle keeping I just dropped a season. Three episodes of entourage on Robin evening to podcast. Josh are you an entourage guy. I watched the whole thing of an entourage guy I would I would. I would seasons. You stuck around to the bitter end. I was there all the way through. My memory is very hazy but it isn't easy enough. Wasser half hour every week. Just put it on. Yeah Yeah how did it hold up? Not Great no yeah. It was fun to tear it apart. Yeah Fun in this episode that we talked about e e is having a a real existential crisis as following a mirage. Trois I believe is the term right between himself and his girlfriend sloane and a young woman named Tori that he is having feelings for the woman who was not his girlfriend the will they won't they with Ian Sloane. Just get Outta here you know. What a terrible story line yeah. Absolute trash storylines that they extended through the whole frigging fan so dumb way out of his league so we have much more looking cute. Podcasts and then Keeping what's going on thirty two fans. Oh we headed episode. People are excited about today. We we scoured the globe for a sport. That's still going and we found Australian rules. Football like most sports. It will probably be cancelled before it starts in a few days But this oddly enough even though this everything I just said is true. Shannon Gus podcasts Shannon. Who'S A die? Die Die Hard Aussie rules football fan or footy as we like to call it Along with her husband. Peter We plan this podcast three months ago so it happens to be. That's the only sport going but we actually planned it in a world before corona. So we had her on. She explained us how the sport works. And then we had a bracket since his practices and where she and Peter Helped Alex Chester night. Pick our new favorite teams And we have No spoilers. But I'm a die hard fan now. Lifelong diehard fan of of an Australian rules football team all right so like for that. Thank you guys so much for listening. If you're a good one bye.

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Your Occlusion Courses Answered by Dr Michael Melkers  PDP015

Protrusive Dental Podcast

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Your Occlusion Courses Answered by Dr Michael Melkers PDP015

"Welcome to the protrude dental podcast. The forward thinking podcast for dental professionals. Join US as we discuss hot topics and dentistry clinical tips continuing education and adding value to your life in career with your host Jazz Gulag. Hello everyone and welcome to episode fifteen at the dental podcast. You can almost hear the excitement in my voice right now. I have none other than the doctor. Michael Freaking milkers on the podcast and the reason. I'm so excited is because as you know a lot of you know. I saw Dr Michael MOCHA's in Stockholm last year and his two day course absolutely just inspired Biden me so much was a massive massive part of my Aclu's will journey if you like So I'm so excited to have him on the podcast and for for some of you who have seen my facebook. facebook exploded about a week ago. So for those of you have been my facebook page facebook dot com slash protractive and on that you could check out the video version Russian of this podcast so you can see me and Michael Moore was sort of off faces into changing and the first ever video. PODCAST I did and it went. Well frankly a futile mina glitches which are measuring sorts out in terms of streaming and stuff overall. If you prefer to watch rather listen than you have the option for this pet called concept's to to sort of watch that so yeah that's the truth facebook page and if you WANNA listen to it that's totally called us one recording this bit you get an added benefit of. I'm putting in the Dental Popa today and a few of the extra bit. So let's dive right into that. My Patricia Dental popey today is related to inclusion and splints and I learned this from hit Palmer who is a dental technician at fine art dental studio which is in Birmingham and I met him at Cushal Guardia Rochard and Victor Ghani. So of course that's coded believe we were discussing about splints and spins compliance because we all know those patients where the compliance wood splinters is is not so good that feels too bulky not come to ball and I had one sweet lady asked me look jazzy. We're recommending this four or five hundred pounds plan. And what if I don't get along. Oh you know what that's completely reasonable. You make a purchase and you just don't know whether it'll be therapeutic view or it will feel comfortable and if it's not come to where it so I completely understand the concern. My patients have and I'm sure you guys do as well. So how can we give our patients and experience of wearing a splint without actually them talking out for yourself and I've since divide devise a couple of ways using the blanks for the appliance and stuff like that but anyway the one that is more accessible able to everyone in. GDP land is the following. which is what hit Palmer taught me? which is you take a silicon impression silicon impression and you can use like a non-profit perforated tray for this? So if you're trying to let's say simulate a Mitchum spin you take full arch putty impression and then you remove the potty patty index from the metal or plastic trade and now you stick that party back in and you say we are is. You're splitting. This is going to solve recreate how bulky it might be important actually get looking similar trim and stuff to make it give it give the patient a splint experience Rick Clever away to allow patients to experience. What a splint Mayfield like which is really clever? That's my perfect today. And hat tip to hit palm for that one and as you will know I do like my splint Susannah episode eleven. Were talking about coloring. The men with a sharpie marker to sort of see the power functional pattern where that patients produce. Oh yes. SPLINTS didn't love him because splints can be protective appliance. And you'll listen in this podcast. I think Michael is and I'm just. I'm not just saying this his three minute summary. Splint if you want to go straight to that facebook and I just synergy cut that out. Actually that little summary of spins it does on this. PODCAST is such a bloody easy easy way to learn splint and really simplified things which really are overcomplicated for no reason. And you'll see that so before I die into the episode. I need to tell you you about a visit that Dr Michael is paying us in May twenty two thousand and believe it or not in my podcast. It's been incredibly fun to do this. And I'm privileged and honored to be the sponsor of inclusion twenty twenty so a collusion. Two Thousand Twenty is going to be Lee inclusion event for Europe in two thousand twenty money and I want to make this. I want to help make this lychee. The best most accessible exclusion sort of two day seminar program ever literally. And I'm so excited I'm poor can see from my social media. I'm pouring my heart and soul into this. I really want people to learn from dot com Dr Michael because he gave me so much in my practice and it's not seclusion he teaches is classic case. Planning bigger case is case acceptance and communication so a collusion twenty twenty. Please say the day in your diary. It'll be twenty Friday. The twenty ninth of May and Saturday the thirtieth of May it will be in Sheraton Skyline Hotel Heathrow and please go to the website collusion twenty twenty dot com and. Check it out you know. I don't like talking about money and stuff like that but really important. You hear this bit Al.. When I hope Dr Michael Mind me saying this bit but basically I paid one thousand thousand five hundred pounds for his two day course in Stockholm okay and because the motive of this course is to make everyone what wall stages the price a specially if you buy it for a second of January six hundred and ninety five pounds for the entire two days? That's that's not per day. That's the entire two days so I'm hoping that way. It's GONNA be accessible to all dentists who I appreciate. How expensive costs can be and especially if you look at the exclusion courses? Do your research there. You know one thousand in two thousand and three thousand I I mean I've done Stephen Failings online program. We pay three thousand dollars for that. So discourse is going to be amazing promoting it as a collusion lamb chops because of his mother's restaurant in the hotel. So please come and join us. I'll be I'll be really trying to make it really engaging and fun event and oh you'll hear about it in this podcast episode. Because the end we discussed the upcoming course. But he'll take you on a journey from lychee a single tooth from dot to dots and lines to planning more more complex rehabs what to do and patients in different classifications. Not over on comes in class one obviously and it is just going to be an amazing experience which I really enjoyed in Stockholm last. Please come along show you support. ACLU's twenty twenty dot com by January six nine five thereafter. I'll be honest with you guys. There is going to be a second early promotion emotion but the price will go up. That certain won't go all the way up to the eight nine five that you see on there so please come along and I'd love to have you there so let's drive drive right in to the episode brought to Riga's running the most the League Latvia. Welcome to the protrude dental podcast. Thank you so much for for coming on their dental podcast. This is a really cool new thing that we're trying to is your idea and I was like this is amazing. Let's give it a go so for the first time we aw recording together so thank you so much for to be here. Thanks so much and One one thing that if my wife ever looks through my phone and look throughout throughout our chats and sees us talking about Webcams and how excited I am then. I'm actually glad that this is going to be released. So she can see so she could see what was about. So yeah thank you so much I I knew about you because your presence on ripe is amazing. That's that's I think that's how how I think about you. And then when I saw that you are doing a program in Stockholm I jumped at the chance. Do and that was this such a key learning experience for me in my journey with the collusion with something. I'm very passionate about so. I wanted to talk about Stockholm and I just wanted to help them. I'm on my listeners. To learn about a few key concepts about inclusion. So that's all we'll talk about so Stockholm. Wow two days intense of stock with you. That was amazing. That was a really really good time Yawn Haagen it is always such great host and we have people from I think eight or nine different countries. It was it wasn't a it wasn't a program it was a study club is a get together as a gathering of friends and it was great to have you there as well. Thanks so much. What what what I like is that pass pass? Quality was there as well and was there and you presented the price to her which I thought was very nice touch those very very sweet actually so that was yeah. You're right it was. It was more than just a program. That was something special so dive right in in terms of learning point so one of the things. I came away with a better understanding. North face bows and articulates. That's what you know as it out of school. I really had very little idea. Yes we got shown how to use news one but really to apply. It didn't make sense to me so if I I'm sure it's a question you get all the time so for our list. What's the point of a facebook and On a ticket is really all that obey when they needed when you need to use. This is just a tool. It's like anything else elsewhere in Dentistry Wendy carbon when you need us mirror we can talk about other specific applications but any anything anything inclusion or anything in our dental instrumentarium is to help us accomplish your goal and it should be to help us achieve that goal more efficiently so we want predictability the impracticality out of anti so. Before I answer about face bows I'll tell you I use triple trays all the time. And I know that shocks people. I teach a collusion all over the world. I've been editor their collaboration society. But it's not about being a better dentist using facebook. facebook helps with some somewhat accuracy the hinge access to the Max Larry Cast. Why is that important because it can help us? have relative accuracy for opening and closing motion on inert later and relative accuracy for motion on an on articulate. But whether we using articulate or or whether we're using triple trae what we really want to balance is how much time does it take to use the instrumentation instrumentation. That is the face. Bow Their Titular Patricia record versus. How much time does it take to? Just take a triple trae impression. Then tap hap but you have to balance either of those with the adjustments that are needed in the mouth just doing it single simple crown and you take all the time to take a facebook. You take all the time to take upper and lower full impressions and you take the time to Patricia. Record isn't really saving giving you anything. When you have a single crown you have conformed of inclusion that matches the adjacent customs slopes so for me both both of them have a place in my practice? Absolutely in there will be some listeners out there who who don't know what a triple trae is. Essentially I use them as well and it's basically a three in one quarter portray all the upper Impression that learn Prussian and the bite together and a lot of dentists as you know Mike. It's great that you know we're talking about this. A lot of dentists are against triple trays. Because they think it's like it's so deviate so far away from the traditional teachings. Ching's off you know articulate or face just saying and I completely agree with you I think in a in a canine guided dentition. Where this already so much exclusion and they'll just conforming and just a single crown? I think that's probably what laboratories are receiving the most of nowadays. They're in in the United States. It's above ninety five percent. Wow it gets into the religious cults thing about always used this or always issues that and when you're saying always you're pretty much never right is what we need to get the job done of why we need a clue. We need a collusion lesions. We can walk into the opera story with confidence that will be able to do our job. Well we need a collusion so that we can walk out of our opportunity knowing what we did is going to last last and then that we did it efficiently and the other thing. That inclusion builds isn't teeth at bill's European vacation because if you're fumbling and stumbling around and things are taking a longtime and things are taking a lot adjustments patients can lose their faith in you now if those restorations that you made regardless of what how you made them or what materials. If they break then patients can really lose their trust in you and your reputation can be damaged so when when I think about inclusion to jump into all the face bows and all the other discussions articulate irs honestly Nolan Owen inclusion we what inclusion offers is is the component that fits in between all the other components we have communication. What is the patient? I don't want we have treatment. Planning how can we get there and inclusion is really what makes it fit because if you look at the planning one a one is how do you want something to look. How do you make it fit a collusion is what gets us there and helps things last regardless of whether you use a triple train regardless of the US SPO articulated? It's all just about dots and lines. It's all about distribution of load and reduction reduction of forces and share that helper over restorations lasts longer. I definitely that way from your program. And also you mentioned about communication with patients and that was an element of surprise for when I came on your program to actually you covered avid so many gems about communication which I took away with me so when a patient says something like sensitivity. And they're very brief about it. I do your technique. I sit down and I say tell me about sensitivity or tell me about this and a few other gems that you gave away that day just a few ways to to make patients feel comfortable and to be a good listener and good. History taker was also really cheap. But the The other thing that you talked about is why when we come out why is it. That inclusion is perhaps very poorly taught all our understanding inclusion coming out then. School is not as good as it could be a good question. And it's it's a hard one to face and I lecture in schools I've taught in residency programs programs and I've of course been a dental student. The reason the inclusion exclusion can be taught inclusion is not appreciated. She aided in dental school education. And the reason is is we're missing one key element in our education and that's failure is inclusion. As I said is a a solution to help us meet a goal and that goal is longevity. That goal is success. Because we don't want to break we start art in school and we started seeing patients maybe end of second year in some schools the end of third year. And all you have to do is make it through through on patient each half day the next eighteen months. And you'll have restorative and geographic success. Because you will be out of there and we won't see our things failing when I was in dental school and we had paper charts. I mean Sunday's paper charts. Were this thick and if you look back in there was failure after failure after failure and you know why these patients were in the schools and in these programs so Milan is because what we were doing was not necessarily working as far as longevity. The only thing we remember from inclusion in dental school was probably like you said Canine Guidance. Why was the answer on an exam? Canine Canine Guidance. As far as providing any restorative care in dental school all it was was a Marganit Chuck Mark on the criteria. Sorry we needed to pass that restoration or pass that written exam. It didn't really benefit us when we don't school because we never saw the benefit. Because like I I said we never saw the failure so the reason. We can't learn or rather appreciate inclusion in dental school is because we don't see things fail when we get out of dental school and we start getting into bigger cases or anterior cases. And we start getting into all porcelain restorations. That's when we see things fail. And that's that's when people are drawn to inclusion as a need rather than requirement that they had to take in school and I remember I won the DVD. When when I was in Stockholm because I I got to write that? Yes it was failure because you ask. That question was the one thing. We don't experience so that was awesome so the next single no. I'm sure you get this all time. Something I get answers well because I've been to a few lectures when the different schools of thought they know I'm going here now is someone says to you okay. I'm I'm a recent graduate. Should I do Dourson Shiju Panky should I do coys showed you should go neuro muscular. Lv I what. What do I do Mike you know? So what would your answer be to a dentist. Who wants to so delve deeper into inclusion? There's these parkways out there and and obviously you're very season and all these schools of thought as well do they re differ. That much is one really better than the other. And what's your recommendation to take my class. I'll say this may be your first equation lecture. This may be your next but just don't let it be your laughs. I've with every single one of those programs that you've talked that you that you mentioned and I learned something from all of them I think if I could give a piece of advice is don't religiously get pigeonholed into campy arguments between teaching institutes. Because all of them have something strong to offer and all of them have their weaknesses. I've been visiting faculty at Spirituality. Gatien with Frank. Dr Printing Spear. I'm currently visiting faculty at the Pain I've taught at pack live live back in the day when it was in California and I have in currently have my own inclusion education programs that being said I still go out to other teaching institutes is still attend lectures by other people. I bring all that up to help. Avoid help avoid some collusion worst. Because you've seen that on any of the discussion threads. There will be people that are from polar opposite camps that can get along and then there are people that are from two different teaching institutes that having credible similarities in philosophy but they battle like cats and dogs. And that's the thing that's probably the most unhealthy in our in. Our profession is unprofessional disagreement and lack of respect for other people with posing viewpoints. So if you ask me and people ask me this all the time series. Which Institute should I start off with? I asked them what they're looking for. Because all the institutes are excellent but they all have a slightly different approach so it would depend on on what that person asked me and where where would recommend that they go cool. Thanks so much the other thing which I always think about is something that you taught me which his aesthetics function structure biology. Okay but you raise a really good point. Actually when redesigning inclusions who in the summer I hold my interest as well when we look at natural dentition we rarely see the perfect exclusion the textbook type of clues and right. And then when we designing or rehabilitating these these warn destroy inclusions and we're rebuilding building them and we rehill we rehabilitate them into this perfect textbook exclusion and are we doing that. Because we're trying to restore their function. But no you. You told me that actually is aesthetics power function structure biology so for our listeners. Can you just explain that theory because that was a real light bulb moment for me. Thank thank you. I'm glad that was helpful. And that's a let's not. I passed along so aesthetics function structure. Sure biology was actually breakthrough viewpoints. That were shared with made by one of my mentors. Dr Frank Spear is he is looking at that aesthetics. How do you want to fuck function? How do you want to make it fit structure? What needs to support that and biology? Alaji what is any of the disease processes that we need to address the way that I've done a little play on words or switch. What would frank Dr Spirit as taunt may is a icee next paraphrase because I don't I believe that teeth where much from chewing and I know other other practitioners doing other lecturers doing that's fine? We care about its longevity. That's the same thing day care about the ideology of breakdown for me is structural so when do things breakdown when teeth come together. We can argue about whether they come together when people chew or when they grind their teeth based on my experience of twenty five years based on the research that I've done and a and grinding patterns I think the Para function is the highest threat that we really need to mitigate it now is laughing a little bit while you're talking talking because you said two things he said perfect and ideal and textbook and the only thing about textbook is taking an exam and we laughed bed and based on dead white guys in Scotland. Because that's where all the anatomical studies were done at the University of Edinburgh Sir grave robbing in some darker darker arts of obtaining bodies. But if you go with a cookie cutter approach. You're only going to succeed when you're baking cookies and everything that we're taught about inclusion and the ACLU design and para functional control is really based on a class inclusion canine rise transition across over. So what I like to share by programs is while ago over that now. We'll go over the class. One is I really want my participants in my attendees to understand the why because if you only know the how when the how does it come along and fit that cookie cutter you're screwed. Excuse my language but you are now. We don't need a cookie cutter. We need a bakery because sometimes things come in class three some things come in class three edge to add your past edge to edge or they'll come in classed to give one where you can't start or you'll even struggle to achieve any kind of answer guidance certainly on the central's and it may even take well to get to the canines. So I thank you need is a better understanding of how we can adjust and adapt regardless of the scam so for me an ideal collusion. If there is one would be one that can distribute Forbes's as best as they can and reduce resistance as best as they can with the goal for both both of those to belong to the restorations amazing. And the take home point for me on designing the collusion. Actually we're not designing them to chew and function where designing them to resist exist that power function and that was a beautiful simple way to re change the way I thought about it so that was great. One last thing to to talk about we talk about your upcoming program is. Can you hear these fireworks laid to wally. Actually it's birth marks the birth of grew non-active which was the first founder of the Sikh religion and I live in the Equa- equivalent of little India. So that's what that was but anyway so one thing speak about poverty by upgrade program is splint therapy. My Gosh. People aren't so so confused. It's one of the most controversial topics. It gets a lot of questions when anytime anyone posts on social media about spins and there are like all parts of dentistry inclusion as well. There are very polarizing news and we can go into the whole entry points to appliances and those who are really against it and whatnot. But one thing I I wanNA talk to you about is tell you is that your Dasa so do arch anterior midst. Applying protocols. That you showed were was amazing. And the way the cases that you showed and the application of confirming confirming centric relation prior to rehabilitation and talked talked about the different indications. That was great. And I've been using that in a lot of my patients and it's been a real game changer for me so had success with that. I'm using that all the time practice the right indications and seeing great success with it so can you tell us just briefly to anyone. WHO's not familiar with these sort sort of appliances is why you think they have a place in in practice is that to now I would actually probably WanNa make it broader is? Why would use any appliance? To begin with it'd be and throw always WANNA start. I always WANNA start with. Why why we get into arguments as you say and we get into disagreements because people have their what's in there? How and they want everybody to do there? Same how like you have to do my how you have to use my how might appliances right when my mind. This this this in so many discussions Russians were missing the why. So why do we use orthotics. Why did we splints? Why do we use by guards cares? What whatever you WANNA call them there are just a few very simple reasons why we use them? We use them to get out of pain. We get them to help. Protect things and we use them to help figure things out palliative protective diagnostic. So if someone is hurting and they could be hurting in their teeth the in their muscle or they can be hurting their joint. They need a palliative splint. I don't care what design it is if if someone is breaking their teeth or breaking their restorations and they want to keep intact than they need a protective splint. Now if we need to figure something out whether it's in other camps that want to figure out chewing patterns or my approach if we want to figure out para functional patterns earns or if it is important joint position than it is diagnostic approach. And you can use full arch appliances for all of those applications and you can use anterior midpoint stops for all of those applications. It goes back to the exact same thing that we were talking about at the beginning. This Chan is we have a lot of tools but we have to have goals and then we have to balance efficiency with them. The reason that I personally like anterior Gary Midpoint stop appliances or as you you said the splint the shared with you the dual arch. Anterior scribe or stop appliance. This is the one we only hit plastic to plastic in the front. There are no teeth touching so if you WANNA protect teeth and you have not teeth touching the teeth get protected now if we have pain muscle pain and we want to knock that muscle pain down own when we only had the mid line. The temporary master are not down by seventy percent to thirty percent muscle activity less muscle activity. Tippety can mean less muscle pain known the third blue. If you're looking to get the joint to seat and the joint is not seated. Did you only have a mid point. Stop appliance then. Once those muscles are have their activity knocked down. And there's no plastic in the in the back back in the way of the conduct of seed and the conduct concede sue. When I look at it entered point stop appliance? It's or the data appliance. I look at it as efficient now. Of course after that is going to scream. Enter your up and by answer open by well you know what if if you're Kinda L. seats you're going to potentially get an answer open but so if you we are profession was using CR appliances all these years where all the answer open plates so there are ways to prevent anterior open if you want the Kondile to seat and you have a severe where case that can be a good thing but say you just want to protect the teeth where you just want to have palliative care of the muscles. There are a appliances that we use to help maintain maximum Erica spacious position and that applies in the in the states at least called an an liner. And it doesn't come from CR dentistry. Street actually comes from sleep apnea or sleep medicine so in sleep medicine. When we were repositioning our repositioning manuals was forward so we can keep an airway open? So don't die what we were able to figure out or what they were able to figure out is before we started the anterior her Repositioning splint what we did was we took away for by an MVP and then they wear their their their nighttime appliance now when they take their nighttime appliance out it put that way for end they could relearn or they can maintain an ip so that they didn't develop poster open bites we we can use the same approach to help. Avoid Anterior Open Bites when we're only doing a protective or Palley approach and don't want any clues will changes. I I I just I know I just went on blathering for a few minutes but you obviously hit on one of my passionate points in the last three minutes. I've been how long spoke for. You've literally sleet on such a fantastic summary of splints. Amazing thank you and for anyone in the UK listening I have found a supplier for. AM liners in the green in discussing that and share that as well so yes say no. That's a very unique part of your your program that I learned about these AMA- liners and the dances which have been a great right stable appliance. So thank you so much for that so I think that's all the time for today otherwise you could be speaking forever about this to tell you this has been a really really lovely jot. I've they've I've had I've had fun with just chatting with you talking with you discussing bringing up thoughts but I love the format as well. Thanks so much. And and obviously we want to talk about your upcoming event now so inclusion in twenty twenty two thousand nine thousand of May okay. You'll be coming to Heathrow London London to the Sheraton Skyline Hotel. What is Your Program About Inclusion Twenty Twenty inclusion in everyday practice? Just the twenty ninth and thirtieth. What I'm going to do and what I'm GonNa do is take the attendees on a journey from one tooth dentistry all the way up to film rehabilitation alert Brin Blend Theory and practicality and if you've heard one consistent theme at our discussion it's understanding the why and not regurgitating the how or the what I want people to understand? Not just how to do something but why they're doing doing it. Because when you understand the why you can flex from one to dentistry to to dentistry charges quadrants to Falmouth. So well. If you're if you're doing single kind of nervous about jumping up to to two or three tooth quadrant dentistry. We're going to have something for you if if you're already doing that. quadrant dentistry news fire to. Do you know archer even Falmouth. We're GONNA have something for you to past experience doing this program word word. For a couple of decades all over the world having new practitioners and Advanced Practitioners and specialists. We're going to have something for you to take home as well it because it is a better the day after this program in some way shape or form. I know we're going to have a great time. We're going to be going over lots of cases blend in the theory with reality and how it happens in everyday private practice and there's a restaurant at that hotel is called meduse. This is important part. I need like this okay. So it's called meduse and it has the best most tender most succulent lamb chops. You've ever had. Yeah well now now I'm there. I'm signing up. Miguel thank you so much and it's always a pleasure talking about collusion with you and and we look forward to seeing you in London in May twenty twenty. We'll see you thanks for inviting so there we have it I mean he. He's Michael Mocha so generous. Risked his knowledge always so. I hope you hope you enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed recording absurd. Come and join US collusion. Twenty twenty in. May If you want more information seclusion including twenty twenty dot com. You can join the facebook event page as well see. Who else is going? It's been a great response so far. So thank you so much for those who have supported me and so the the next episode will be tiff Karachi all about Dr and all my great great peace and he shares and it's going to be a two part episode because it was just so too much good stuff that it'll be so harsh Akram into all into one episode two part episode for about communication and in that in that episode. I do go in a little bit. So deep into into the exclusion source. You're a Newbie. And you don't understand about deprogramming and this type split would use doll or even how. The Don prints were works because we saw die into the sort of the the fleshy uh-huh topics the nuances of Donald Them. Very basic. So I do. polge is is a little bit heavy but as for the purest for the geeks out there. Listen to and if you're not familiar with any of this program something stops more reason to come on the course. Obviously it'll be a may tip crush next episode. I'll see you that. Thanks so much guys

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361: A Button in the Thumb Shelf

Accidental Tech Podcast

2:12:28 hr | 1 year ago

361: A Button in the Thumb Shelf

"Where are you bitten by a radioactive spider speaking of spiders because you could be gaining superhuman hearing abilities? Can you like run much faster and leap higher than you could. That'd before as well can you see through walls. Imagine what a curse it would be to get superhuman hearing but only for fan noise already. Have that human vision but only dead pixels. I am having a slight problem with my Mac pro. Of course you are. Of course you are. Coincidentally I actually have had a slight problem with my Mac pro which we'll talk about later. But but Marco no tell me what what terrible tragedies befalling your I mac pro. That's going to necessitate a replacement with a MAC pro. I wouldn't say necessitate but it did. It did kind of make me think things that make you go Yeah I've started hearing the fan a lot more often. It started to spin up a lot more to offer levels like for the computer for what about two years now for the first like you know twenty three months of ownership. I never heard the fans pinup not a single time. Recently every time I do like a big build in echoed. It spins up very noticeably for a while while so I'm assuming it's probably just full of dust and I don't really know how to clean it out. I figure like you know obviously besides take new to Earth or whatever I don't I do is Maybe if I take down from my desk and blow compressed air through its exhaust vent. My theory is maybe if I blow canned air into into the exhaust vent it'll force all the dust and crap out the intake vents Maybe you should look at that. You just take a look at the geometry the inside of that thing before you. Yeah I should yeah radar screen the chats this. It's full of sand. SPIDERS spiders very good so I'm hoping this is easily solved with dust but honestly if it's if this is just how this computer is now. I'm going to be very upset because one of the things I love most of its computers. I never here it and now I hear it frequently. And that's that's very very annoying but it's a very recent thing so I'm assuming it's something I can. I can hopefully fix remember. I told you that my the MAC pro is louder. Just had idol then. I'm Akkad idle because the fans are not like behind a solid thing. Right you. You wouldn't and now the fact that that that audio never changes as far as I could tell my fans and literally never spent any faster than idle. Ever doesn't change change the fact that there is sort of a higher low level idol So I'm not sure if a MAC pro solves this problem you yeah I mean honestly like if they if they had updated the AMAC pro. I might afford to fix this problem. Unfortunately they haven't because like if I was GONNA if I if for some reason. This problem can't be fixed. If my pro I was just getting Zeki because it's two years old. It shouldn't but it wouldn't be the first time that happen to an Imac then I would honestly like looking at the current I think I would still honestly just buy another pack pro. I would just feel bad buying two of the same generation but yeah I this is probably something that's easily fixed but I got I sure hope. So the tough thing about it is. You're still on Mojave on that right in the chat says this is the computer equivalent to my ashtrays. Full new car time. I think it falls into the category of Oh compressed air. Is there anything you can't fix. I hope Nope I mean. We'll see apple hardware. Compressed air is the cure. All followed up next to you. Do I have to hold my Mac pro at a seventy five degrees a whole different tech note for or what angle you have to hold the mic pro. I don't want to think about it. No the funny thing about this is for a fleeting moment. I thought will be software. But you're still mojave aren't you. Yeah I have not I change my software set up at all well with apple these days which is really unfortunate. In fact somebody pointed out to me saw I think it was a INSTA- story either. MVP HD put up a day or two back where he was exhibiting the Janke and laggy mouse movement. That I was seeing my old I mac and he was seeing this if I recall correctly directly on either the MAC pro or a sixteen inch macbook pro last up. It wasn't a laptop John. Defend your honor there So anyway as I saw that was like. Oh Yeah I really need to hold off. On the Catalina upgrade I it was in a slack because when I saw a video I was like. Oh I'd never had this happen to me because I thought you know I have had like cursor jumping around like when I tried to use the Bluetooth mouse with the vibe Siamak but it did not look like that like that was like very smooth motion but delayed by like half a second from the input motion and I have not experienced that I've experienced where you try to move it jumps from one place to another instead of moving smooth line but that is very very weird and then that's that is one of the things I saw when I also saw the machine gun TRACK PADS so Very Weird Well Marco. I'm sorry to. I'm sorry to hear that you're I MAC needs to your cronies be replaced with a MAC pro. I'm glad that this difficult time where you didn't have justification for it is now over as if there was either a new Mac pro or an apple five K. display. It would make this a lot a lot more tempting. Oh I feel so bad for you in in your time of well well I had some interesting. I'm problems which we'll talk about later. But we should start with some follow up. As the Rules Marco tell me about air pods and inflight entertainment entertainment systems. If you don't mind yes so last episode I basically said how much I love the air pods pro and how I really don't plan bring any other headphones on planes for the foreseeable future. Because they're they're so good and so much smaller than full-sized cancelling headphones that the travel benefit of the small size and performance of the noise. Cancelling is fantastic and I still stand by that. They're great great but a few people wrote in to say What if you want to listen to the inflight entertainment system that basically like one of the reasons? Why are they still carry headphones? That can be wired is that they like to plug it in and watch movies on the little screens that are on the infighting and that's a perfectly valid Opposing idea. I just never thought about it because I never do that. I always bring my entertainment. I bring either an IPAD or a laptop laptop. Both and I will watch videos on that if I want to watch something. It's just never really career but that is a totally valid thing. Now there are little bluetooth transmitting dangles that you can and get for like twenty or thirty Bucks Plug into the headphone Jack of the airplane and they will broadcast a bluetooth signal to a pair of Bluetooth headphones that you have i. I have never used one. And I'm I'm not sure whether the air pods could pair to it or not because I don't know how to pairing really works there so that might be a solution but I can't really speak for it but Certainly for Non Air Pods Bluetooth headphones. Those things are always find. Most of those headphones also can be wired optionally. So you're better off doing that. If if it were me I think I would probably bring my air pods are pods pro. And then bring one of my eighty four old Ear pod your corded ear pod right my my first several iphones like. That's not the most enjoyable way to watch anything on a plane. But if if I am slumming it to the point that I'm watching the in-flight entertainment than at that point. All bets are off. Because I'm like you marco not only likely have a computer but I certainly have an IPAD. That is certainly used used plex to sink a whole bunch of media that I thought I would enjoy on the flight so yeah. This is not a problem that I find myself having but it is an interesting point nonetheless. Also it's funny like we're at the point technologically. Where not only does whatever you whatever you want to bring with you on your laptop or whatever not only do you probably have better stuff that you enjoy better and you probably have have a bigger selection available if you've prepared at all but also the screen is likely to be not only not only larger but also better quality screens means an airplane's seats are so bad they're they must be like T. N. panels terrible view angles and terrible contrast and they just looked terrible and they're so unresponsive responsive and yes? I know I'm supposed to listen to the in-flight announcements but rarely are those correctly. Volume leveled to the content plays back on the in-flight entertainment system. So usually what happens is if you turn the volume up enough to hear speech in the movie. You're watching then. If there's a pilot announcement it what is it like blows your ears out. It's so loud and so you know it's it's very hard to use that and have a good experience so it's much better to bring your own stuff as long as you prepared and you have any device any modern device that has a screen. I'd rather even watch a movie on my phone. Then Watch on the influence. That's how much the quality difference matters to me. I completely agree with you there. At the only thing that the in-flight entertainment screens are for is. My opinion is either to be off. If it's dark or light flight to show the map your you and I are of the same mind friend completely agree and by the way I this is a small thing too little notes that I have my recent flight. We flew on jet blue first time. I've flown jetblue in in a while because they don't usually go where I wanna go anyway. All of jetblue seems like a series of ads. Now it's one of those many. I think American Airlines that now during the flight the inflight crew fruit comes on and makes long announcement that our credit card offers. Oh Yep Yep Yep yeah. This seems like it's crossing a line so not not only are the. Are The people speaking speaking credit card offers to you using the same announcement system that they speak important fighting formation and critical instructions but then also then they walked down the aisle holding up the brochure and offering. It's like and you can tell the flight attendants don't want to do this. You can you can see on. There is like they're doing this because they have to. They don't want to do it. That's not their job. It shouldn't be their job but their job was making do it right. And so that's that's ads and then on the flat screen. I just WANNA watch the map screen if it's going to be on your show offscreen but nope it cycles through it showing the mass screen and maybe ten seconds every minute and the rest of the time it's cycling through billboard ads screen so bad no wonder we bring our own screens now. The the inflight screens gotten so bad. Well the screens to your point a few minutes ago. The screen quality was never good even when they were brand new but yeah the content is also terrible these days A friend of the show. Jelly just sent me so it's basically in-flight push notifications It's completely accurate So well done remember. When I think it was Virgin America that they actually had like seat to seat messaging? And and yes the keyboard on the back this is because this was like right before everybody had their own smartphones and everything anyway all the time and right before everybody had wifi everywhere aware and everything and it was just like it was like the coolest thing in the world for like a year when Virgin America first came out and you could message someone else in like if you were sitting separately from some other member of your family or Party usually message oak. Send this message to this seat. Sixteen see the weirdest acting as weird idea but it was very interesting. I have to point out. I don't remember what airline wasn't honestly. It doesn't matter but on a couple of the flights I've flown in the last year. There's been some deal I think I think the IT mobile but it doesn't really matter some way. Somehow you could send I messages for free. Even if he didn't play for you pay for in Flight WIFI which I thought was extremely cool. That was very very nice and it just reminded me again. That half well like earns entire side of the family is on Android. Which kinda stinks? But what But for those of us who are on message that was really really convenient. Really Nice and I thought that that was a very nice middle of the road. Between screw you give us fifteen into twenty five to thirty five dollars for inflight Wifi and you know. Oh yeah everything's free. We thought I thought it was a very good middle of the road. Also to complete travel tips corner here this this is one thing that like as as SSL has has become more and more universal on websites it has it has become somewhat harder to find a site that is never SSL so that if you're in a captive portal WIFI thing like on many planes had actually do this because normally the apple wife I think should detect when you're a captive portal anchin put a little slide thing it's you logging or click the accept button whenever you have to do. Sometimes it just doesn't work for whatever reason whatever like apples test page. It doesn't detect that it's a captive portal portal. Wherever and so you have to go type in Google dot com or whatever and then you know it'll it'll capture that and redirect you to their log in page you can log onto the Wi fi? Well you can't do that anymore more with SSL everywhere and most browsers won't even attempt to go to Google Dot com because it will use h sds or something so like there's actually a site never SSL dot dot com that is never served over SSL. So if you're on a captive portal and you need a site that will that you know will redirect you to the log in page dot Com. Isn't that cool. That's very good or you can go to always. HDP DOT com if you prefer prefer the reverse logic glass half full half empty. Yeah that's good all right Henrik hellmers had a very good point. This was with regard to our conversation last episode about how mark. When I don't really feel feel like there's any point to our big cameras anymore? That's a summary. You get the idea. Oh God please. Don't email us based on that summary. Please yeah please don't email dramatically simplified slimmer. Yes but anyway. The point being Henrik pointed out in their spot on the economics of the iphone is a camera is very poor. I would argue the iphone as worst economics than any physical camera currently for sale I don't know if I want to take that better now but certainly the point. The point is absolutely true that the ergonomics of trying to physically operate the iphone as a camera is not great but I stand by what Marco and I were saying that for eighty to ninety five percent of my use cases cases. Anyway it's the best camera. Have these days because an area for possible improvement. I mean we. We know that the battery case has the camera activation button to launch the camera APP. which which is a step in the right direction because when you need to quickly take out your phone and use it as a camera? It's A. It's a tricky skills. Tricky thing to become good at it's small object it's usually pretty uniform and smooth around all the edges. You may have to tap something on the screen. If you don't WanNA use like the volume button shudder whatever but depending on how you have it oriented. You might not know where all that stuff is going to be by. Adding afford. Ince's is for quickly being able to launch the camera APP and use it to take a photo that makes the phone more valuable more or useful camera. I think you can do some of that without making like the phone. Making it phone camera shaped like the if you just I mean. We've talked about dedicated camera button for years but you know not just the one that launches the thing but a dedicated shutter button other than using volume maybe multiple buttons. I don't know I'm just trying you think of a newly shaped phone or really shaped phone case. Maybe they're reflects the reality of it's kind of like you know Mike Partly in many other people in their pockets like the reason. That's so popular is it's better economics for using the phone in a particular way not for pictures in that case but just you you know over very large phones being held in one hand safely and securely right. It's not something you couldn't do before. But people are willing to buy basically a little outfit their phone phone and dress it up for its new role as you know iphone Pro Max. You're giant but I can help you with one hand now because I've got a pop socket I can imagine like something like a smart connector or other kind of sort of smooth contacts naked robotic core that is the iphone did allow allow you to put on basically a camera case that has more grips in shudder buttons in various places so that you could take take out your phone. Blindfolded pointed in a direction and take a photo. It's you can do that today. But it takes a little bit more fumbling. I feel like I could take out my big camera. An pointed in a direction. Take a photo easier with blindfolded than I could with the phone and certainly more securely like in time it's a quick and pointing the right direction and in and do it all blindfolded my cameras camera shaped. It's very easy to see where all the buttons I don't need to look at them. It is not symmetrical in any way. It's very clear where the gigantic lenses pointed in where the shutter button isn't whether it's on or off and all that other stuff not true at all you got to take it out and feel around with it to find where it find where the camera is. Make sure it stays in the right direction. Make sure you know. Oh is the camera in the upper left upper right lower left lower right corner because sometimes that matters when you take a picture so I look forward to. I haven't been keeping track of the rumors but I look forward to a future iphone. Maybe not this new redesigned but maybe the one after that has the ability to be more camera shaped one can dream All right. Let's talk about Scott Simpson and jumping mice. John can tell about this. Yeah we're GONNA talk more about my slater but remember when I first got my Mac pro was saying how I hooked up the Little Logitech Dangle R F receiver thingy am when I put it in the back of my computer. It was getting terrible. Signal my cursor jumping over so I used instead I use the La Apple. USCC USPA adapter which is like three or four inches long long and put the little dongling that and it worked. I was doing it. I was putting it on on the top ports like instead of being around the back I was putting on the top. In retrospect back to should have realized that like the one and a half foot distance between the back of the computer and the Computer Shirley is not accounting. That doesn't explain the incredible difference in signal signal quality that I was getting. So here's the actual explanation. I find this depressing somewhat. Infuriating Intel over Intel the company largely responsible for USB. It's on their website enough that the people that have anyway. It's a study showing that that the noise generated generated by USB three plano data can have an impact on radio receivers. Who's antennas are placed close to a USB device and or usb connector real Lincoln the shots it's a pdf we apologize for the PDF but it is straightforward a bunch of tests to hear if you put something near a Usb port that has dated going through it the the act of the data going through that port? We'll call as interference with things on on a similar spectrum. So that explains that's why my little logitech third thing. He wasn't working on the back of my computer. Because guess what is right next to a US booth report that was connected to my external SSD you know and Somalia have other USB three devices and an external harbor whatever. That's bad like if you're coming up with standard make sure that it that it doesn't cause radio interference things and it's not just the devices the ports the ports themselves. If they're not well shielded or not ridiculously regularly. Well she did even the devices. They experiment where they're wrapping the external SSD and tin foil or foil to try to keep the noise The USB three point oh generate noise from coming coming out of that type of thing you should figure out before you release the standard to the world if you have an and it's three point only it's not apparently not two point. Oh so here I am with a bunch of devices coming out of the back of my computer and that's that's why it was different and it was on the top because the signal. The interference decreases rapidly as you move away from the port or the device so being on top of the computer. It wasn't like it was closer to the mouse it was farther from the USB three point zero point that had a lot of data going through it. So if you're wondering why you get bad signal for your little. RF RECEIVER FOR YOUR MOUSE or you're getting other weird behavior and you have a bunch of ESPN three point. Oh peripherals Dr Cables read this paper and see if any of this lucians they recommend help you I. I'd just like knowing what's going on but boy this is hope. US before it doesn't have similar problems. I'm sure it will have even better in newer problems for us to continue. They'll have problems without space. US before base. Let's talk a photo sharing a little bit more. Follow up there Mari. PENNA getty says you can send I cloud photo links to people with non apple devices instead of adding the photo library. They'll just get zip download of all the photos my testing android phones tunnel always know what to do with this surprise surprise Andrey Elliott rights also. It creates a public web page viewable viewable by any browser which expires within thirty days. And finally jared counts rights. I recently sent some photos to my wife the cloud slash message. If she opened the link on her phone she could import directly to photos but opening the link on her Max page Download Button Zip file as Mario had mentioned so all a little bit more feedback on photo sharing which was an ask. ATP A couple of weeks ago. John This is something that just don't care. Let's talk about rack. Mount Mak Pros. It's not a but destiny it's about. ps four controller controller still. Don't care you care some care Sunday. One of your children is GonNa complain that they want us there. PS Four control at play minecraft on one of your maximum like. It'd be glad about this saying that like I had my. ps four controller which was working fine in windows ten N. with steam and everything was paired. It was working could navigate the interface but as soon as I launched the game the game couldn't see it because the game itself had its own notions about connecting to the controller. And I had to plug it in. Apparently there is a wireless adapter that kind of like the the adapter for Logitech Logitech mice. That makes your computer think that it has a wired. ps four controller plugged into really. It's got a little transmitter. Receiver pair pair. That make that happen. And apparently if you buy the one from Japan it's cheaper so we'll put a link in the show notes if you'd like to use your controller wirelessly with your quote unquote what pc or Mac in boot camp in a game. That insists that it must be a wired connection. This will pick it up. You know I will say as much as I'm giving you a junk junk about this. I was trying to use. I don't remember the name of the emulator but I was trying to use a MAC based emulator to emulate Software that I ahead acquired a while ago and that strongly resembled software. I used and played as a kid and anyways I tried to hook up my Nintendo Switch Controller via Bluetooth to my old. Mac was the last time I tried this. And it was a pain in the hindquarters trying to get that to work and even when it did like it it's still a little bit wonky so I thought about buying light one of the the blessed controllers that apple supports. I think there's was at least a couple of maybe this would be another solution to my problem a PS four controllers will pair directly into your Mac. I think with no anything like I know what you're talking about. Like the the the made for iphone. But are they are the ones that work with IOS devices. But with a Mac I think both. ps four and xbox controls. We'll just pair just you go put them Komo going to Bluetooth connect and that's it. I think you're right. I think the problem was I was doing with the switch pro controller. And that's where I fell in there. I think it's one of the ones that's on the list of things that just get support out out of the box. I'm ex. 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Tell me about rack male Mac pros if you don't mind their rebel. These slow rollout rollout of the macro continues is not complete but this is the next step. The rack mounted MAC pro. That has been on the on the page for a long time but you could never actually click the configure your button. Now you can click and figure and really the options look basically the same except that it starts sixty five hundred dollars instead of starting Six thousand dollars you can look at a gallery which has a grand total of three pictures. Issue is the front porch and two smaller handles pulling out the rack. It shows the side which looks to earn cut away. Which looks like it's the basically the same motherboard with the same components in the same places with a couple of extra things thrown on the front quite sure what our hope I fix it gets what in tears it down but I can maybe just dead space in front of it? I don't know and then finally it shows the back which is a little bit weird. I mean I you can see how much wider under it is than the regular one but second The back does not have the same scalloped cheese greater pattern instead. It looks like it has a much much more sort of you know. Previous generation cheese greater pattern is just a flat piece of metal with a bunch of holes punched. A bunch of very tiny holes punched mentioned. So if you want to pay five hundred dollars for a bigger MAC pro the confronted in Iraq and now you finally can. I have a very important question. It does this count as the twenty twenty Mac pro. I mean maybe a wonder I guess if you buy it it probably does. They probably do consider the twenty nineteen Mac. Mac Pro Like what is the name of this practice and let me see what it says on the page it says Mac pro like Shirley. There is some way to differentiate changes in apple's official literatures. Kind of Mac do you have. You don't just say you have a Mac pro because you've you with this thing and it's probably just like they don't give the wheel configuration. Its own product name like this. It's probably considered still. The MAC pro just happens to be in a radically different case. Tell me about pro display X.. Dr two-tone if you don't mind one thing I forgot to talk about when talking about prospects the are is that it comes with true tone. I'm so out of the loop on other options the I mac pro or any of the I.. Max have a true tone. Don't option no I have nightshift. That doesn't count. Yeah so I think fraternal you. Obviously you need the sensors. Yeah maybe there's just those don't exist. I mean I guess you could use is the camera. I don't even know anyway the tone and playing with the Monitor when I first got it is one of the things I considered. And you know What's what's your both of your positions on true tone on all your devices that supported mostly Iowa's devices I use it? I use it wherever it supported I I find it quite subtle and it's I've never really noticed it. I used to use the other one nightshift US night shift a little bit more. I think gets now disabled on my stuff but yeah nightshift used to be a much bigger effect But yeah true tone. I don't really notice it so I just leave it on so I I I'm I as devices use true tone all the time. It's kind of one of those things like when it first came out it was like do I really want something trying to mess. Mess with color is based on what it thinks about the environmental cars. Isn't that GonNa Look Weird sometimes Just have the screen. Just do accurate. Color is all all the time regardless of my ambient light. But I don't know I guess I just went with it figuring that if I don't if I enable it an don't notice any difference that the it means that like the light hitting my is in contrast to the surrounding light you know should I'm not optimizing for the accuracy of what is emitted optimizing optimizing for the accuracy of what gets them eyeballs which includes some reflected light and so anyway I leave it on. I'm fine with it but I'm this thing I'm like well. I'm going to be editing photos photos on here. Do we want this thing messing with the photos. I've tried it on and off and it's the type of thing where if you turn it on you very quickly league stopping noticing that it's on but as soon as you turn it off you're like wow that's a big difference in usually it's usually shifting it more blue right so so you turn it off and it looks bluer than normal. I don't know like a I think I'm GONNA end up leaving it on but it's definitely like a different vibe. Like right right thing is it has it has a nice fade effect to. It doesn't just switch immediately just turned it off and it was like everything is blue. Yeah Yup Yup Yup when I turned it on like for a second things start to look a little yellow but then everything acclimates and I. I don't know it's it's a little bit of a conflict in my life. I think I'm probably just gonNA leave it alone. I think if like I'm a sunny day with all the windows open. The blinds open that it will basically be the same but it was weird. Artificial lighting on the second thing is is. There's two different presets that come with this like in the color profiles below one says pro display. Xt are and then in parentheses P.. Three Hyphen Sixteen hundred. NITS and the second one. Says Apple Display P.. Three five five hundred minutes And I've tried each one of those things and other than I assume the top preset being able to go to the maximum sixteen hundreds when and you play the HDR content on the bottom one. Not I can't tell what the heck they're doing so I'm just leaving on. The default came out of the box set to p three three six hundred. NITS and just leaving on that. I have no thoughts about this whatsoever. This is the thing about hd. Are I mean I haven't this is my first. HDR experience spirit. I know technically like the iphones. AGR Yada Yada but like this is my first display that as hr then you can really notice especially in windows. which handles terribly only when I tried to play destiny? HDR and then like get the game to switch back to the quote unquote desktop in windows when it goes into HDR mode like the entire like non hd our content like just your icons and windows whatever looks like washed out and gross like it changes the colors of that to support the R. and seeking sort of catch glimpse of what the rest of the world would look like hd arm owed but when you leave the game which is out of HDR mode and windows and goes back to like regular regular display so that you know white stuff looks wide again instead of everything. I had gray haze over it. The MAC handles much more gracefully so when I played video I can tell l.. The brightest whites in that video are so much brighter than any other white. That's been on the screen before that you can narrow the gap by cracking taking the brightness up to Max but you do not want to do that. I mean I think we all know. On these modern displays do not UNMODERN desktops plays putting the brightness at Max will bring on your eyeballs out don't do that but the HD are like. I don't think there's a way to get it to display like an all white text at it window at sixteen hundred Internet's unless you put that in a movie right because I think the display will never the The MAC desktop experience is not high AMAC range as far as I'm able to tell only video is that and that means only video is going to reach. Those peaks of sixteen hour gets these. That's my understanding of somebody who actually knows stuff about at reference monitors. HDR displays and and Mac Os specifically has any guidance or something. I can read or answers. Please read into the show and let us know right so things seem to be mostly good with your new Mac pro but I see the following in in the show notes quote Mac Pro Ethernet Joaquin is quote in coincidentally. I have I mac pro eason at Watkins said I'd like to discuss after you're done but tell helmet. Is there trouble in Paradise John. It's my ethan. airmont Guinness is quick one. But it's a thing that people at the other five people assume this show. WHO HAVE MAC pros? You may run across so mac pro like most of my desktop MACs. Just turn off Wifi because I want wired connections for everything I don't want them bothering authoring sending their signal transmission receive single under the air. Just get off Wi fi donated. Don't want it you don't use airdrop then or apple. Watch on lock. No I I mean you know. I'm not using apple. Watch weyrauch right and airdrop. No no no use airdrop. I don't hand off. I don't want the little icon sliding on any of that. I'm assuming assuming that your previous Mac pro was not airdrop compatible but my Mac pro did not have wi fi right. I I would suggest turning it on for airdrop because if you if you do the little network preferences priority list and just put the Ethan at first all your networking stuff will still go over Ethernet but leave the Wi fi on and for airdrop yup. What do you think air-dropping anything photos anything? Yeah like sometimes yeah. Sometimes I'll send a photo from iphone to my Mac if I want it like immediately. They're like like without waiting for seeing sometimes tiff or I will airdrop things to each other's computers occasionally like if the network isn't working right or if it's just faster astros from Iowa to the computer. Yeah there's lots of times right using have occasion to transfer anything thrown. Allow this to my Mac. That's not like already there through sync process. But I'll keep in mind I've ever comes up. I certainly have the capability in l.. Unlike my previous computer but anyway I connect the MAC pro has is two ten gigabit Ethernet ports. I personally in my house. Have Eight port switch. That's the same eight switch I've been using with two thousand eight Mac. Pro is not as old is my two thousand eight MAC pro. I think he replaced at some point in his lifetime. But it's not a new switch. It's old enough that I can't get a replacement that looks like because I I needed. You did a bunch of switches when I got this analogy. That wasn't that long ago right. Wasn't that long ago. That was almost seven years. Well my my Mac WPRO is three years old then When I got that I said I wanNA get some switches? I'll probably I'll get the same one that I had that I've been using with my Mac year and I couldn't find it because they changed the models around or whatever so anyway it's a pretty old switches. What I'm getting you know? But it's it's a gigabit ethernet switch and like how you know. It's a dumps which what what could've changed since then. Well something about this switch and the existence attended youth in it. Do not get along with each other. I mean it makes sense because when I bought the switch ten GIG Ethernet did not exist. It's a standard over copper. As far as I'm aware so it kind of makes sense that this which wouldn't expect that anyway when I connect everything. I'm one of the things I did was a speed test to make sure that ahead everything working on my wanted in my internet speeds were terrible at. Yeah so incredibly slow and so incredibly close to one hundred megabits that immediately begin clear to me that My interests probably set two hundred megabytes and sure enough. I went into the Ethernet had hardware settings and it was like hardware speed and it hit selected one hundred megabits which is the wrong choice And so basically what it comes down to is in the negotiation association. Between the my ethernet switch and my Mac they could not see eye to eye I think Ethan at switch said fine. I'm just defaulting to my slow speed. Two hundred hundred megahertz so I just manually set it to gigabit and problem solve but if you also have a semi old at switch connected to your ten eastern at beware aware that they may not be friendly with each other and you may have to do what I did which is just manually said. It's getting a bit. And then Lo and behold hundreds of megabits a second up and down to the entrance credit problem solved. Let me tell you my tale of woe. Because I've had a stressful twenty four hours. And let me let me give you the extremely short version that Marco can drop in if he ends up cutting all this. I thought I thought that my i Mak Pros Ethan. At port was broken then I thought the euro was broken in and it turns out that possibly seemingly because of my Mocha bridge everything was falling down on. Its face but as soon as I disconnected the bridge from my switch everything came back up and everything's fine so the longer version of the story and this is where Marco will do the fast forward. Sound effect The longer story is that I noticed that my ma I mac pro wasn't connected Ethan. It and I thought that was very odd and I started trying to troubleshoot and I thought that okay. This is weird because the actress is refusing to pull an IP seeing that thing that everything is connected physically but it won't pull an IP and I restore Eero. I restart the switch which like you. John is gigabit switch. I've had for probably five years or something like that Nothing seems to making a difference. Well then eventually all right well screw it. Thankfully my Eero Base station that the parent if you will eero base station is right there. In so I plug my i Mac directly into the euro and that works no problem and immediately pulls address. Everybody's happy so I decided the switches broken. So it's old you know. Even though there's no real intelligence there you never know so. I decided to Amazon prime now myself a new switch. which by the way the fact that you can do that within a couple of hours it shows up still blows my mind even though this is like a five year old thing but be that as it may So I eventually get got this new switch in I plug everything up ready to go. I'm excited that must have been. Oh No it's not the problem okay and I don't recall all the exact timeline at some point in this struggle. I decided to do a diagnostics on the. I'm Andy I'm XS. No no everything's great. But I don't really trust that because my last I max said no no. Everything's great great when it wasn't So I'm starting to get really upset at this point and then I guess it was around now that I realized okay. The switch is can't the problem because it's brand new and that's when I plugged into the euro and I feel like okay. It's something about the combination of the switch and the Eero so I start blowing blowing up bureau support via email saying without actually saying I would like a new one yesterday. Please because obviously this thing has jacked up and they didn't put me through the the entirety. I don't think of their Dizet is it turned on kind of tech support Rigmarole but what they eventually said was which I didn't think of myself myself and I'm a little disappointed that I didn't think of it. But they eventually said unplug everything from the switch except your Mac and try that and and sure enough. That's when everything worked and if by some miracle actually makes it in the show I would love to know from someone who knows more about this than me. Why would the MOCHA bridge? Because everything to fall down. So if you're not familiar with what that is it's an acronym something over coaxial I think media Or something like that. I don't know but anyways I still don't have TV service through piles and the way that are set top box gets the TV guide for whatever you WANNA call. It is through through the Internet but the only way the set top boxes connected to the Internet is via Kovacs. The same cable that video comes through and in the past this was fine because my variety issued router also got its Internet via co ax or it in once gigabit it had a co Ax port on it so even no. The Internet was coming in via Ethernet in the newer router. It's still would connect to coack so it could give the set top box or boxes Access to the Internet. What I did was in because I didn't want to use the files router anymore and I really like zero which is a pass sponsored? Probably future sponsor but I really like them I decided I wanted us. My hero grow and so I got this thing called a bridge which is basically you Plug Co.. Accident you plug Ethan at into it and it. Guess what bridges the two networks and. I don't know what it is is about this bridge that caused everything on its face but since I have unplugged it everything's been working great except of course atop box but if you know more about about this stuff than I do I would love to know how that could be a thing other than maybe the bridge just needed to be like restarted or something. But I don't understand how that mobridge could've taken taking down my whole darn networks so I if you know and if this actually made it in the show I would love to know so please do let me know I never trusted. Those MOCHA bridge things. I I don't like the idea of Ethernet over co ax along with video signal just so we see Django why I've always wanted just like a box on the wall of my house. Then what should come out of his an Ethernet table and nothing else. Yeah which is what I have now and I do weight when everything works. I actually do like the Mobridge. I have a fairly old one and I don't recall recall. What generation it is but my understanding having briefly looked into it is that you can actually get gigabit or Muir? gigabit speeds over more modern MOCHA bridges. And that's really important for someone like me too lazy to run cat six throughout the house but really would like to have an Ethernet drop across the house now in my actual circumstance cents. I haven't I only use the bridge for the purpose of the setup box but if I wanted to go like my office is in the upper upper right corner of the house if you will and the Family Room is like below it and and halfway back and the all the kitchen is below it on on the opposite side of the House. So if I wanted for some reason Ethan at drop in say the kitchen I could use MOCHA bridges to get that Ethernet dropout. I already have one. That usually is plugged up here in the office. I like it but a second one down in the kitchen. Then I haven't even at drop right there and so in that sense it's super convenient. 'cause I'm just ride on the stuff that's already in the walls but But yeah something in his gone very very wrong with this and I don't understand what and it's kind of driving me crazy. So thank you for indulging me and we'll see if this actually makes it in the show Johnson got your sleep wake battles if you don't mind please. It's another thing about all new computers. Most new computers in my life. That's one thing I appreciated about my in two thousand eight Mac pro and the thing. I hate about most laptops sleeping and waking my Mac pro like previous Mac pro at energysavers settings you could say. Do you want it to wait for network access and you do scheduled awake and sleeps. I think those are basically the only options and you could else to say when the screen goes asleep and how long at idle before the computer goes to sleep and all those settings worked all the time. I know that doesn't sound sound like much. But anyway there is a laptop or another Mac that they have these issues with those. That's not take them for granted like the the settings I had a my old Mac pro where never ever sleep By yourself except for during the schedule that the schedule was wake up at like three. AM and Backley scheduled to run then and then go go to sleep like an hour and a half or two hours later right so if you just left my Mac awake all the time it would eventually cross three am and do its thing and then it would hit scheduled sleep and it would go to sleep right but otherwise it would never automatically go to sleep. So that's all I can have long running down those sorts of things and in theory all those are long running operations nations should already keep the computer awake but sometimes they didn't especially in the old days so it was just nice to be able to have a computer that I knew would act in a predictable way and when I put it to sleep which frequently I never shut it down but I would. I wouldn't just leave it running all day because it's a big thing is a lot of power I'd put it to sleep when I'm not using it immediately. Go to sleep and it wouldn't wake up until you that three. Am Wake up time. Kmart until I came back and woke it up again not necessarily true true of laptops so this new computer has more settings than the old one did it has all sorts of other things that will wake up some of them are sort of revealed in the in the U. I got power nap which I think Mother didn't have that. Lets it like wake up silently chick for email under time. Machine backups or whatever I don't certainly does those wake ups and start up after power failure. I think we had that. And then he's got network access and and the hardest sleep option all all good stuff but with this computer. I was having a bunch of issues where I'd put the computer to sleep sleep when I walked away from it. Just you know my old habits from Mac. I've come back in the room a little bit later and and eventually realized that the computer is awake. Screen screen is still black. But the computer is a wick and this this loving to cover realizations one. Despite what I said before by the fan noise every time I would come in here like pure wake I put it to sleep. Is it awakening and I. I couldn't tell unless I walked up to it. And put my ear like right in front of the grading in the front of the computer. It's like somebody sleeps. There is open the are they sleep like are they alive they breathing. You think. Put your finger onto their nose to see if there and this is what I was saying before. It's like well when the computers on and a title and I'm sitting in the chair here you know three feet away like I can still hear it but when I'm doing sleep wake testing. Sometimes they'd be sitting in the chair like I'd be on like my work laptop. Same exact chair. But I'd put the big Mac pro to sleep but I just beyond a laptop like like the MAC pro. Just wake up and I. I wouldn't be able to tell for sure unless I got up out of my chair when over over to the computer and put my ear to it the same chair that I'm sitting in right now so despite be saying that it'll you can hear the fans. Apparently you can't hear them well enough for me needed to determine with certainty whether the thing just will cover it live really quiet now. I think if you if you made me bet like all right. I'm not leading up from the chair but place your bed. Do you think it's awake or asleep. I think mostly tell I. Think have maybe ninety percents success rate but it's borderline so that's one point in that second point is why the Hell's computer waking up right anyone who has dealt with this before with laptop or otherwise awfully knows all the many things that can make your computer up link to a good article Howard Oakley in the ECLECTIC light company which is a great website for Mac nursery. But this is one of those topics where if you Google Google for wise my Mac making up and especially if you know something about how to debugging you start googling for the words that involved debugging you'll find so many results across like decades cates right. This is a common problem. The solutions vary the tools for looking into the solutions. Vary a little bit A little bit more lately only the PM set command line tool is your friend. I think you know. PM SET MINUS G.. Log giving you a log of the sleeping and waking taking and PM set minus g assertions to see if your problem is your. Mac won't go to sleep. Even though you tell it to sleep at two five minutes of activity you can see WHO's keeping it awake and why every time you computer wakes up those logs. We'll say a wake reason. Why did I wake up in the wake reasons would be very obscure texts that you will then type into Google and find a million people computer waking up with the exact same thing if you have a more recent MAC or Murray? You'll see that the wake reasons have information redacted for privacy reasons which is the new innovation to try to keep like private information out of the logs but it is not particularly helpful. When you're trying to figure out why your Computers Waking Up? Why might your computer be Waking Up? Well there's wake on network access but you can check that check box and you've got that salt. I'm by the way I never had that check just because if you have any especially for any computer that there is any any route to that computer from the Internet like say running like plex server on something and you wanted to be successful from the Internet. There is away from the Internet to get to that computer if that is the case and you have weighed on network access available you put asleep awake from network access and three seconds. Things are port scanning the Internet. Like twenty four seven. It is a hostile environment. If you wake network access somehow someway that wake up packet. We'll go flying through. I don't understand how can do that 'cause I used to. I wrote a little program to send the wake up packet and I think it has to be sort of like handcraft an thank you could get to it from the Internet but anyway my maybe. It's my hostile environment in my the house. My experience has shown. If you do wake for network access you'll never computer will never sleep for long a parent of a baby an infant. Like you'll put it to sleep and it will be woken up so I suggest if you want your computer sleep not enabling that Bluetooth devices. Bluetooth devices loved a wake-up computer. Why beats the Hell Outta to me? That's one of the reasons I have. Bluetooth turned off my computer. Most of the time loot like are they just lonely there are they licking our they. Did someone nudge a mouse. Is there some kind of vibration. But you know if you're trying to bug this This is a Bluetooth device waking up my computer turn off Bluetooth then at least you will eliminate that problem hopefully by turning Bluetooth USB devices of all kinds love to wake up your computer again. Why why are they waking up? You can bure. I Dunno static electricity against somebody nudges done solar flares bugs in the firmware like external hard drives USB hard. Drives that the the thing tries to spin down on their idol but then like wake themselves back up like you know you'll see like wake reason and h ID USB Blah Blah Blah. What does that mean what? What is computer? Why won't you stay asleep again? Infants sleep or just leave for more than thirty minutes. You're killing me anyway. I went through that procedure with the computer. Over the course of the first week I had it did eventually get to the point where I am now our when I put it to sleep it stays asleep until the scheduled wake up time but it did take going through all the stuff for moving ahead a USB hard drive that was always connected connected. And I said you're not going to be always connected only going to connect you ain't turning bootcamp otherwise you're GonNa sit on a shelf turned off Bluetooth. Disabled awakeness for network access excess found a bunch of other programs that were putting in assertions that were keeping it from idle sleeping and so I think mostly okay. There's other thing by the way it called dark. Wake which is where I think. It's where wakes up but doesn't turn the screen on. I think that's the affiliated with power nap. Sometimes you'll see Dr quake anyway. PM Set Ministry. She log will show you the sleep wakes and I was grasping them. There is another stuff like the real time clock it wasn't MD NS resolve or whatever. That thing is the thing that was a scary day. We got changed back. That wakes your computer every two hours to do some real time clock maintenance something Yada Yada like but anyway since you have a lot of these events you can graph them and see one is my computer waking up and when is it going to sleep and it has been improving to the point where I feel like. It's an understandable predictable cadence. It will sort of wake up without turning the screen on and do some kind of maintenance thing that I'm pretty sure I can't stop it from doing. I don't understand what real time clock maintenance means. Other than perhaps I dunno synchronizing the real time clock with an anti sir. I don't know what the hell it's doing but occasionally awakes itself up every two hours briefly and does the thing goes goes back to sleep but as long as it mostly stays asleep. I'm I'm happy with it so I don't know if it's going to help anybody except to let you know that if you're having some problems with your computer waking up when you don't want it or problems with it Going to sleep when you commanded to or letting go to sleep From idol will a world of pain out there but it is possible to defeat it with a little bit of effort and process of Elimination Casey with unplugging everything turning everything off with his various various routers in that story. You may not have just heard in this podcast Yeah this is one of the things about desktop computers that I felt like sleep. Wake battles can be one because the environment that they exist in is controlled in some way. 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That's not too far. They kept popping up in the finder that is dismissing. It would reveal itself again as I look. I find her windows in the background. Now both of them have the toolbar visible despite me hiding the toolbar in both of those windows at least five times today. They're back the theory on this. This is my theory as well but it didn't know how to test it and didn't know how to fix it. Was that various third party. APPs that can add toolbar buttons to the Finer Toolbar. toolbar could be causing this to happen. One of those APPs is dropbox. Which I believe I'm GonNa go to customize to a bar and see if I can see in here Yeah there's a dropbox item in customized toolbar. I don't have that item in my actual toolbar. But it's in the customized sheet and I think something about the interaction attraction between like whatever that plug in is lurking inside dropbox in the finder is causing dropbox to do something that triggers the finder to show the two of our in in all the open windows. I can't really uninstalled dropbox because I want to use dropbox. I've done it. I'm dropbox free and enjoy client APP anyway. And the women are using transmitter the web interface web interface. And the only time I ever really used to send you or Mike Vials. So you've got that thing going on your analogy but I'm not. I'm not ready to do that. I use dropbox not just for podcast up a personal stuff as well. That's what this analogy thing is for On not attractive. But I would like to find a way to disable the finder integration. That used to be an option and many versions of dropbox walks ago. There was a check box that says do you find her integration. I think that also applied to the little badges but now there's an official apple supported. API The badging. So there's no more check box because just you know it's it's is not a hack anymore. I think the the toolbar thing is also not a hack. It's also an official. API So this may be some kind of Catalina bug but anyway once again asking for help if anybody knows a if it actually is dropbox I suppose I could understand find out. So let's just do the experiment myself but if it is dropbox causing my boss to appear and be how can stop dropbox from insisting on putting that toolbar button there that I'm never going to put on a tool bars because I don't like to bars John All right mark. Oh you had an interesting post Just a couple of days ago about a promo code and low power mode which you care to talk to us about that. I love the John. And I now both blogs so infrequently in case you think you're getting there We blog so infrequently that every time we post a blog imposed is worth a discussion on this. This topic was in the notes before you blocked about it because I thought it was hilarious that there was a rumor that the thing that you've you've always wanted low power mode that the remorse that apple was doing the opposite. Oh you want low power mode how. `Bout high power mode. What do you think of that? Yeah exactly yeah so so. There's this rumor from nine to five a few days ago about That in Catalina Beta there are some string references found that suggests that apple is working on a Something called possibly pro mode which would be a way to temporarily enable higher performance and the kind of suggested that maybe it might it has to do with like raising the fan speeds to basically increase thermal output and so presumably like you know because modern laptops and computers. Modern processors are limited live with a certain thermal limit and if you apply more cooling to them they can usually get more performance or at least long are sustained peak performance before having to throw the the speeds closer down to the base clock speed like modern modern Antara boost basically lets the CPU's burst way above the the advertise clock speed. Much of the time that they're in use and in fact. The clock speed like a norm operation. That all it is. This is the minimum that they're guaranteed to be able to sustain under indefinite load. But a Lotta Times even under a constant load. Modern processors can sustain gene way above their base clock But they can sustain way way above it for it really short time and so if you apply more cooling then then they can sustain higher performance levels for longer times during busy workloads and so. That's what I assume Promo Code would be doing. And that's a frequent Demand especially from the video. Editing crowd from Apple Pros. That's a very very common request of youtubers or other video producers who were using Napa pros out in the field they want to render stuff quickly as possible and there are times when they don't care about fan noise they need something to be done quickly and so that would ideally benefit that crowd But what I want is indeed the opposite. I want What I've been running on my top for a while now? I WANNA I party solution. I'm laptop I've been running. TURBO BOOST SWITZER PRO for four years. Now it's been a long running this and what I love about it. Is that it. Lets you a disabled turbo boost. Completely and you can also automatically disable it based on whether you're on battery or not so you could automatically disable it when you're running a battery and then when you're plugged logged into mountlake it's enabled. I've actually usually just kept it. Disabled all the time and then if I really need high performance I go to the menu bar in target and then Tyler Background Akron Don. But that's becoming less and less common. That actually need that high performance and the rest of the time. It may seem weird that I am buying a processor that's capable of significantly higher performance. That then what I ended up limiting too. But it's actually really really nice when performance former is not your highest priority to have a laptop. That has much more pleasant to us in other ways so when you disabled turbo boost you lose a lot of your single thread performance. It could be up to half of your single threaded performance. multi-core performance gets reduced a lot less. Because when you're using all the cores to reduce can't and boost high anyway so using all the cores with turbos disabled you're looking at maybe losing about a third of your performance. Depending on the processor you have and how many cores CETERA. But anyway multi-core is not affected as a single core. But what's great about this. Is that the laptop when not using turbo boost run significantly -nificant cooler because the maximum wattage is significantly capped way lower. You can look blockbuster all the actual numbers here but it runs way Kugler and that also means that the fans almost never spin up. It's almost impossible to have the fence up when it's winter boosters disabled In fact I heard from a lot of people who like playing games this way because it keeps the fans from just going crazy. When they're gaming windows has a control that I think does us this there is like a slider does is like performance or battery life? And I don't know I don't know what that's adjusting but people pointed out as a thing in response to this but anyway so when you run disabled so it runs way Cooler Erin's way quieter and you get way more battery life. So you're giving up a good amount of performance but a lot of times. That's not noticeable. Like most of the time. I remember laptops this way. And it's fine Most of the work. I'm doing a laptop is casual work like email web social stuff with occasional bursts of productivity. And I'm doing that like I can get through a whole cross country country flight using exe code and not worry about the battery because it actually will last the entire flight pushing it with echoed without a problem when this winter winter boosters disabled so it's a wonderful to have a laptop and the reason I asked for it now is you know not only. Is there a chance that apple's listening and therefore yeah like I figure like hey while you're in there while you're making an option for pro mode. This would be a perfect like other end of that slider give us low power our mode. IOS has low power mode people. Use It all the time. It's a great idea. Because you know the the point making the most is like all these trade offs of power and heat versus performance and Battery Life Apple Chooses One balance of trade offs for each product generally and it's fixed in stone forever and sometimes I want peak performance. Sometimes I don't care about battery life but sometimes I want the laptop to run cool and not burn my legs and not make my hands sweaty and I want to hear the fan spinning up constantly and I already the battery to last for a whole cross country flight because the power is broken like there there are times when I want a different balance and normally apple does not let us control that balance of performance versus everything else. IOS is low. Oh power mode is one of the only time they've ever given us a control over that that we can say you know what right now I care more about long battery life possible astle then everything being exactly fast exactly up to date with you know backward updates and stuff like that like they give that control and there's lots of software stuff you can do as well which yes they do in in Iowa so paramount stuff like on the Mac. You can disable photos indexing you can disable spotlight you. You can disable software updates itunes downloads like a whole bunch of stuff that Max do automatically in the background. Even when they're on battery you can if proper low power mode could actually turn all those things off in addition to modifying booster or CPU thermal limits. Anyway so on Iowa's we have this one switch that we have low power mode and that's great. We need that sometimes. People seem to like it seems to be a great success and I think there's no real major downside to it there that obviously Eh. One fixed balance of performance versus other factors doesn't fit everybody all the time. So it's nice to have a control so on the MAC back if they're gonNA add a control in the other direction like making pro mode. This is the perfect time to also add this one at low power mode. It seems they were making it work in a similar way. Where like you can't really leave it that way? All the time easily you'd have to like turn it on and then automatically turns itself off tomorrow or something like that like that's fine. I could deal with that. And the reason that I'm I'm carrying about this now is because turbo boost switzer pro is probably going to stop working later this year with whatever the next version of Mac. Os is because it shows US warning on Catalina of like this update this because it won't work with a future version of this of Mac os which of course means probably next year for this year's version so I'm concerned that this utility that I've been using to approximate low-power mode that I like the effect a lot is probably gonNA stop working in about a year. That's why I'm hoping apple will add this because a proper low power mode on Mac. Os has all the same benefits. That does on the iphone also. Apparently I haven't verified this people. People have told me that it's not even on the IPAD yet and that I think also be a good addition like we have batteries and all these devices pretty much everything that does not plug into the wall should probably have a low power mode. I have nothing to add other than to say. I completely agree with you and you know I think this is this is needed. I think think low power mode is needed and I also think you know the low data mode which is also available in Iowa. You know something that you can approximate with trip mode. I think both of those are long long-overdue and I really wish both of them existed and I'm sad that neither of them do. Yeah Oh and by the way. There are other options If you're willing to disable integrity protection I'm not. That's I think not really an option so so rule those right out. We have those stories where in the metro came out where everyone was trying to configure the most expensive Mac pro if the Promo code feature ever does actually ship. I can't wait to see people seeing how fast they can burn the battery down from full charge by tabling promote and doing CPU intensive thing giving more Thermal headroom to run sustained at higher frequencies for longer. It's kind of weird that I mean I understand. You know the you know whatever the pro APPs team. What's the name of the team? The PRO workflow group. There you go. I mean I'm sure they're saying yeah. Exactly what you're saying like sometimes you know I'm in a situation where even if I'm on battery I want maximum power right now to get something done asap. I don't care if my batteries deleted depleted by the end of it so be great if I had a mode that would remove the limits on the fans because historically even on their laptops apple has favored throttling down The CPU in everything rather than running the fans at screaming speed. We need all the time and a lot of times people temperature sensing than say like it would be great if apple ran their fans a little bit faster and sped them up a little bit sooner because it seems like stuff's getting pretty toasty. Oh stand there and maybe it's like two toasty but apple's sort of in bouncing that equation thinking well let's bounce a little bit more in favor of noise. So I see how the pro workflow group could say that balances not really the right balance for us. So can you give us a mode where we crank it up but it is really amazing that you know again ended. This rumor is true to even think that they would do this. and not do low power mode because like is there the non-pro workflow group saying everybody wants more better on their laptops like everybody wants why it's on phones like it is not an uncommon desired. Say Boy I wish. This laptop had more more battery life. Maybe optimistic take is like well. Don't you worry about that because when the arm laptops come you're gonNA have more battery life than you know to do with but that doesn't really make much sense sounds because the phones are arm and they have low power mode so I really. I really really hope. Low power mode comes out is a higher priority than this the opposite of low power mode. It's seems like the priority should be low power mode first and then kind of like the Mac pro four of those weird pro people. Yeah okay the Promo Code in the strings by the way they can cut like battery sucking mode or drain your battery mode but by the way to like like like there's also a problem of like all the modern high end largest ancient and a sixteen inch when you run them at full blast they actually they draw more power than their wall. adapters can supply and so they actually will slowly deplete their own batteries. Even when plugged in so. I'm not sure are you would want a Promo Code. That would make that even faster. All that would do would be suck more power and again. It wouldn't be able to keep up from from his own wall wart and so you would have the situation where you would be draining your internal battery faster faster. I mean maybe baby again like maybe you want that but I think my my concern with us as you were just kind of looting to is. It has seemed on a number of occasions. Recently that the pro workflow group that apple seems to be designing their products for these days might not be as diverse as it needs to be. We we talked about those few weeks ago like it. It certainly seems like apple is basically designing computers for video editors and that's great. There are a lot of video editors out out there but that's not their only customer segment and video. Editors have very different needs than almost anybody the else and so I hope that their product direction reflects the needs of lots of types of customers and that they aren't only prioritizing basically. What youtubers want like that? That would be unfortunate and I don't think they are that narrow excited but certainly sometimes it seems that way and some of the some of the products do seem that way But this'll be an area. Where like I? I hope that John's rather I hope they heard not. Just from video editors who say please let me crank laptop even faster sometimes in Burma battery even faster but also from literally everybody else who would be like. Most of the time I would like more battery life please. And maybe not be so hot and loud I feel like this constituency. citrusy of pro users was neglected for so long that they did the right thing in made this per workflow team to get give their own sort of in-house house microcosm of that constituency to find out how they can make things better for them. And I don't think it's just video editors and you just look at the macro thing they had audio editors with a big soundtrack and photographers and they have three the artists right. But it's it's basically all all of the types of applications that really can use all the power available if you just give the more of it. Despite that you know as we quoted many times they say knows the developers other number pro customer but developers are not represented. Well if at all by the pro workflow team it seems But the other side of that is like yeah so I want to work with lobbyists want them. Lobbying for the wild stopped often. They need right but there needs to be like the reason you needed to make that. Because that's a constituency that you weren't paying attention to so so formed this group presumably. You were paying attention to everybody else before that but now it seems like you had this vocal powerful group group within the company. Lobbying for exactly what they're supposed to be logging for their needs and whatever everybody else's needs are either like maybe the company thinks. Oh we don't need any sort of in-house constituency for that because that's just everybody else and that's just us. That's just our product managers. We know what we need to do. But it seems like the voice of the voice of the customer like the non-pro customer isn't this disconnect. Between I think what sort out of the mainstream non-pro Matt Customer in particular wants out of apple's products and what they're providing from everything from low power mode to number of ports inconvenience to battery artery life and you know all all that stuff price. Yeah I price another good one. Whereas on the phone I think the non-pro constituency is very well represented? They made the phone's bigger and thicker and have more battery life and actually made them cheaper like if you look at the recent trends in iphones. It's so clear that the sort of non-pro regular person constituency has been getting things that they like the things that you know. We wanted many years ago and they are delivering on now so I don't think that's a problem in the phones when it comes so the Mac. I'm happy that they're catering to the pro things and making this crazy computer that I'm sitting in front of but it's clear that the rest of the Mac line could use a a little bit more like I don't think you need to make a non-pro workflow team. I think that should be just the function of the whole rest of the product org. But I think there's still a disconnect there I think they need to have a meeting of the minds with the the mass of their regular non-pro customers to get on the same page about what they want like considering looking at the sixteen inch but really. That's that's appropriate as well and yes. It does have a bigger battery but mostly for the needs of pros. Speaking of that of draining the battery even on power did they does the sixteen inch come with our wattage power than the the fifteen inch. Yes where it went from. Eighty seven to ninety five. I believe ninety six and can still outrun. I'm not saying that if you take the sixteen inch you crank it without any special tweaks you can outrun the that powered. After I haven't heard specifically on the sixteen inch weather. It still does that. I know oh I know the fiction anxious before it all the recent ones could do that. Indeed you have to. I believe stressed the CPU GPU which is pretty easy to do. If you're doing something like a video encode goad so anyway. I think we still need. We don't need a roundtable and we don't need a non-pro workflow group But I think we do need some closer connection between the desires of the massive non-pro customers and what apple's non-pro macrumors are putting out we are brought to you this week by squarespace. Start Building your website today at squarespace dot com slash. ATP ENTER OFFER CODE ATP AT CHECKOUT TO GET ten percent China off make your next move with beautiful website from squarespace. squarespace makes it so easy to make websites. 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And you have put four different mice mouses in the show notes and I'm having a problem and if if you wouldn't mind can you explain to me how it is you can steadfastly adamantly in petulantly refused to have an algae monitor with a little L G logo on it but you can have these four in abominations on your desk and be okay with that. Apple doesn't make a mouse that I like. I don't makes one mouse in different colors. But that's the only mass they make a little Sushi thing and it's really low and I don't like a low mouse. Yes I understand that but these are hideous. How can you be so upset about the display and look at these and be like? Yeah okay. That's fine in all fairness you aren't supposed to look at your input peripherals as you're using them whereas you are looking at your monitor. Yeah but still I mean Marco if you haven't yet you need to look at these links and the show notes because whole whole boy. The Microsoft one is bad but as a windows logo on it and every other one is not bad. If we're saying that the bar you're for bad is the LG logo on the front of the display. Then these are all hideous. No I the. LG Logo is the least of the ultra finds problems i. I don't know what we're looking at here is three logitech and Microsoft mouse and these aren't even like the super like lit up. RGB led kind of like super gaming mice. Like those I think Garl- tacky by design and that's market wants and so that's fine I but like these are fairly pedestrian looking mice. Like you know the the the Ms Masters the like bowl kissed. You know most complicated looking one. And it has a fairly tame like design finest compared to its market of mostly like gamers like. It's actually a pretty tame looking option. The I don't I don't think it's that bad. I I've seen way worse. Mice in fact owns a way worse. Mouse that we bought two metro ridiculous gaming peasy that has like you know. RGB Lights and everything. Of course now. The Microsoft Mouse actually think is pretty decent looking but it has a windows logo on it which I thought would just absolutely infuriate the John Syracuse of twenty years ago. Or whatever you know actually you could send that off. I pretty much like a Lotta Times. I did that. My car has little. USB ports in the in the center console that you can plug in for either music or actually you can record the footage from the cameras Dash Cam footage onto USB and. I got one of those little tiny almost like flush. USB drives for like a little. It'll Sam Samsung one. And it had since song written across it and it's such a small thing like this. I don't want my car to be screaming. Samsung out of this a little. USB thing and so when it came. I got some sandpaper my garage and just gently sanded off the logo and it was fine and so I have a now. I have a blank. USB stick in my car it's wonderful and this is like we never think of that as an option like you can just slightly modify some hardware that you don't may maybe like or you know something about it like you can you can just grind that thing off or Santa thing off and usually it's fairly unintrusive and everything's fine so yeah so I feel like John could theoretically just stand off this windows logo on this house and it would probably be fine with all that said John. Tell me about all of these mice and what what you do and do not like from on them. Also here's where I'm coming from. I'm coming off of you know I was using a ten year old computer and I think the mouse I was using was even older than that. Maybe maybe it was an Amex not even an extra using originally Logitech wheel mouse. It didn't have a product name. There was no. Is there anything like that. And I think it was replaced replaced with an m three hundred that was basically the same size and shape that I got off like Ebay. Whatever I did I wore out some part of it and eventually had to buy other place but the shape of the mouse was what I wanted? It was a head straight sides and it was somewhere. It was higher than the apple mouse but lower than some of the really big sort of palm filling giant snail mice right and to grow and when I was looking for a replacement I was like well right. This is kind of old new computer. Reconsider everything let me look it. Some new mice mice. I was mostly shopping based on shape. But when I started shopping around for mice modern mice that are not like ten years old. I use the apple on right. Didn't like it and shopping for new ones very quickly came to the conclusion that if you're shopping in sort of the high end of Consumer Sumer Mice not getting into gaming mice quite yet but just the high end consumer mice. They are all better than apple's mouse like full. Stop now I know you know I like the logos and I know you think they look weird but his thing stuff that goes in your hand very often looks weird look at the TV remote. Look at most oxo. Things is that you can buy unlike eyewear cheeser look at hand tools. It's not a beauty contest. Similar feudalism when you anything. It's gotTa fit in your hand which is not symmetrical and has has lumpy and weird and has five appendages and one's coming out the side. It's not you're not gonNA make a perfect you know conical a section or this beautiful solid. It's not going to be economically good so that's one thing so yeah they look weird and they are weird shapes but they are shaped to fit your hand. Better than apple's balls is shaped to fit your hand if you don't use it in exactly the way apple wants you to use it as sort of a thing that is barely there beneath hammer. Just not how I use them out. So I kind of grip it from the side with my thumb on one side and my pinky and ring finger on the other side and things on the top right second thing. Is that the the controls trolls themselves like. There's lots more physical controls on these non apple. Mice obviously apple is the elegant solution of just the entire continuous service and it clicks down. And it's really nice and it's it's such services beautiful elegant apple solution but has limits as discussed last time. You can't hold down the right mouse. Button and click the left mouse button because this one big mouse button surprise. That's is limiting and games and weird complicated APPS. It doesn't have a scroll wheel. It has a gesture and I. I don't like that as I described it the same way with the apple to your mode where what like grow grow to grab the mouse. I don't want any accidental scrolling happening because my fingers brush the touch sensitive service. I don't like thinking that it's a live. Beast that if I pet the wrong way. Something's GonNa and a half on my screen. I like physical buttons. And that's what you'll get on most of these third party mice and in particular the physical controls on the expensive. The third party mice are nice. We talked about this in cars or on toasters knob feel button. Feel how do the controls feel they feel cheap or expensive today. Make lots of noise. You both remember. Scroll Meld now so you could hear it in lots of recording you know. I don't have it in front of me so I can't spend it for you but it was very noisy. Didn't feel good. It was Kinda Gross. We've come a long way there. So that's what I was shopping based on and my thought process was trying to find something more or less same size and shape as my other one but that has a much nicer scroll wheel and some good buttons and I was open to the idea of Bluetooth. Malam are offered and Bluetooth. But I wasn't you know wedded to it I did. I did want like the idea of not having to court because my previous mass was courted. Only is kind of hard snaking. That cord onto my keyboard train is like you know what. Just get rid of that. Coordinate have to worry about it at all. It'd be nice if I could be wireless but it wasn't a deal breaker so I got the Microsoft what is it called. Microsoft precision. Mouse is also called the surface precision mouse. which is Microsoft's fancy mouse? I tried it in the Microsoft Star before I got it in black. Of course with pro thing I got the logitech marathon mouse em seven. Oh five which was a sort of middle of the road not super high end logitech mouse. And so that was my other also tried that in like tried riders in like a staples or something. When I was buying school supplies for the kids and I remember the model so you know again? I rally recommend going to a store and try these things before you buy based. It's not a picture or whatever I did look at the gaming mice and I see a couple of contenders there in particular Logitech G. Three five light speed looks like a mostly RGB lesser RGB. Light Mouse. That I'm looking at because it it seems like it's about the right size and shape but I'm not going to buy it until I've gone to a store to hold it. I think best buy might have it but I haven't had a chance to go to the store so I don't have that mouse with Lincoln. The shots anyways you can look got it but in particular the game is concentrate on the sensitivity of the sensor and all sorts of stuff to do with DP I for gaming or whatever and they you know working working lots of services and not having lag and those are all good things to like I even though I'm not buying I'm not buying it for gaming I like the idea of that and I can tell like my old old Janke mouses and example good sensors good optical sensors bad ones. You can tell the difference when you're using them like in terms of what kind of resolution does it have and what kind of services this is the work on or whatever and then finally somebody from Logitech. Listen to this program because the package game in the mail today that had a little handwritten note that said I don't have it in front of me was like Hella. Greens from Logitech. We we liked the show. Enjoy so some logic sent me a bunch of logic peripherals for free. And that's why I also have a Logitech AMEX master three sitting right here. They also sent bonus item the magnetic medic camera thing that attaches to the top of your protas flex. The are we'll talk about that a little bit later. Oh that's cool and they also sent logic keyboard but mice. First the thing I didn't think about when I bought these mice but didn't occur to me until I got them all my house and started using them but I had telling people listening now so they think about. There's well. Obviously maybe cares the underside of the mice. Who who whoever looks at the bottom of who cares? What's in the bottom of the house right? It's the sensors down here but other than that like there's no you know in the star. I'm looking at them. I'm feeling the buttons feels fill in the shape and I'm not looking at the bottom of the mouse I should have been looking at the bottom. Looks ask you the bottom of mind. Sometimes he do sure and then you stab it in its belly but without looking I mean maybe you know this because you do charge you like a turtle but without cheating and looking. What's on the bottom of your mouse? What's going on down there? There's a switch to turn it on and off there's a charging hole. And then there's the two long rails of anti-skid material that I have to scrape all the gunk off. Sometimes yeah 'cause you're cleaning because you're Harpoon it but yeah the the apple. Mouse has has two long vertical strips that go down the sides of announced two parallel lines of slippery material. Stuff off of those. Yeah Yeah I should have looked at my old janke ancient logitech mouse because one of the things I liked about that now that I quickly found is how it feels sliding across my mouth service services. Just as it's an Amazon basic mouse pad at this point in mouse pads the whole all erasure really needs to get a bigger one but my keyboard trays out of shape towards the pain. I might have to buy one and cut it but anyway it's just like I dunno mouse pad material regular mouse. February was very thin. There's like one of those thick ancient mouse pads from the nineties right. It's it's very thin but in the end is a rubbery thing kind of like a fabric service on it. That's what I like to mouse on. Open to other mouthing services but history has shown as I've tried many different ones but I like the way the little feet or whatever things on the bottom of your mouse slide across crossed service makes a big difference in how a mouse feels. And if you've never look down there are never made that connection. If you have a mouse that you really like really hate. It could have something to do with how actually interfaces with the surface you're sliding it across my old logitech had four feet. I think they're teflon because it's like a fairly slippery look in plastic. Four little tiny ovals of Teflon at the four corners of the mass. It was a fairly normal shape of rectangle amounts of the rounded back just for a little things and the mouse was very light. All that meant that it slid very easily and silently okay. He's rolling his eyes. What I'm talking about the noise and my smyth? They went the apple. One has way more contact than the four little points and I think is also heavier so I don't you know we need to get doctoring here with coefficients of friction and all sorts of stuff like spreading. The way across the larger area is good but having slippery materials is also being lighter. Weight is even better anyway. All this is a say I did not look at the bottom of any of the mice got I should have so for example example the Microsoft mouse you look at the bottom of this sucker it. Instead of having some peds rails it has is the entire perimeter of the mouse like all like around the entire edge of the outer edge just one big long continuous trail that goes around the entire outer edge edge of the of the bottom of the mouse. And that is the slippery stuff. Logitech mouse has five pads. Four big triangle. Too Big trailer of the back to squish ones at the front and fifth one. That's kind of off to the side. Where the little thumb thing is the Amex master three has two vertical rails? Not as long as the apple on but one on the left and one on the right and then it has to semi circles on the front and the back all this makes a difference and factors in with the weight of the mouse as well in how it feels and how it sounds going across the service Microsoft mouse in the beginning. I put it down and I slid slid unlike. Oh no this is not gonNA work. It was hard to slide and it made it like a noise like ooh sort of like fingers scraping across fabric and I was like am I imagine things I took my old mouse. I put it down. I moved it. Total silence and moves really easily. Put the Microsoft I mouse on it much harder to move and makes noise should've check up but I didn't logitech mouse the the the marathon John Not as quiet as my old one but quieter than the Microsoft one. But I didn't you know live and learn. I didn't look at that but I still wanted to give them. Aw Fair shot so one thing I learned by giving them all fair shot is there is breaking period for new mouse. Where the slippery junk on the bottom of the mouse get get slippery earlier today in the Microsoft Mouse? If I feel with my finger that little slippery rem I think it's more slippery. I think it's been slowly been polishing rushing it. It doesn't change the weight of the mouse and it doesn't change how the how the weight is distributed on the pad but it does change the sound in the field. It gets slippery or I have a feeling that my a ten year old logitech mouser even older than that the really old Janke probably is way slipper now than it was when I bought it kind of like. If you buy car and two years later you get better two zero six times. You break the thing in right. So I wasn't going to reject these mice for the tracking but I want to note The the most important thing I learned from experience so far is that is a factor considerate and tested and look into it and also considered that it may change over time The other thing is you know getting back to the physical controls. The reason probably the main reason I got this Microsoft precision mouse is because this scroll grow wheel is fantastic now. I know squirrels are passe. Everyone's touch service Yada Yada sheriff's on a wheel. This is metal wheel. That feels feels like an expensive knob. In a car it's got two modes it's got the rationing mode and the free spinning the free spending motive. Feels like it's on a ball bearing smooth smooth as glass right solid smooth sort of textured metal wheel the button switches modes has less satisfying electromechanical. Chemical thunk get on the microphone here. Let's see probably that's probably very satisfying satisfying thunk where you can feel like something electrically activating and moving into place and knowing back and that and when he goes into ratchet mode the ratcheting mode feels like an expensive car knob with like the little where you can feel like the little Africa for their called the little notches defense. I believe yeah there you go And but it's not noisy so let me I'm going to scroll the Scroll wheel. This is this is like literally my fingers practically touching my microphone. You should hear nothing nothing total which is amazing. You know my old now so you could hear it when it from I'd scroll it and you could hear it in the next room Eh. But you can still feel the little little notches right. It's not the free wheeling Scroll Wheel thingy like the logic thing. We'll get to in a second where where it's like spins and you can just give it a spin roulette wheel spin and spin and spin and then you stop it with your finger. The Microsoft mouse does not do that. It has smooth in ratchet it but and smooth mode. It's totally smooth. There is nothing impeding the movement but it does not free wheelspin. Like it's damped right so if you flick it it'll soon as your finger leaves the wheel. It will stop moving right. So that's a Microsoft mouse shape wise. It has the little thumb rests flange inch but has very small thumb rest planned. And I'm talking about like on the bottom of the mouse. Is the thing that sticks out of the side for your thumb to go on not really a fan of that thing. I'd just soon do without it but I bought the Microsoft. I'm going to thumb thing. Let's get it really tiny thumb thing I've mostly gotten used to it. It still bothers me a little bit but not too much. It's this has flat sides. The buttons are really solid the side buttons which I mostly hate him. I'll never use are very thin out of the way and they don't touch any part of my hand and I'm using the mouse which is nice. I do kind of appreciate having them there. I can imagine using it has three side buttons instead of just two which is nice and the House Bill Clinton for the third button. The other thing that I learned from buying all these nice with Microsoft Mouse I is that blew through Bluetooth is garbage. I I don't like what what. How is it actually noticeable some? Maybe it's my environment. Maybe it's because my tower computer has bad antennas and as Far Away But the Bluetooth signal from this Microsoft mouse to my computer is not good enough to get smooth mouse. Moving all the time. It's not some Catalina thing where it's freaking out like it's it's fine most people would notice I can totally notice that the tracking is not great occasionally get a little hitch. I don't know what the problem is But I think it's Bluetooth or maybe it's his mouth because I tried the mouse on my wife's computer to which presumably the blues to this closer there it's like a five car. I'm asking them right in front of it with the mouse and it was mostly fine but it had a couple of hiccups. She rejected the first time. It had had any kind of tracking hiccup adopt this thing off my computer. I don't blame her like when you move the mouse it should move the cursor in a direct one to one connection and there should be no hitches especially if your computer is idle. Aw and she's not on Catalina right and so and she has had other Bluetooth peripherals that aren't pointing device like Bluetooth keyboards and stuff. Like yeah the only reason. I'm rejected out of hand because I'm coming from a world with wired mice which never have this problem at all right and also aw because of Logitech so the Microsoft Mouse. I'll get the logic second but the Microsoft mouse in bluetooth mode unacceptable luckily Kalihi. The Microsoft mouse comes very very long thin. USB cable that you can connect to the front of it and it becomes a wired mouse and in wired mode no problems no just no nothing on the other hand you have a wire. Attached is an interesting the fact that you can just plug it. UNPLUG it at the mouth of the point of the mouse and it's such a thin long cables kind of Nice because when I have my work laptop here and I'm working but I have my computer behind it. I can use the mouse with both. I use it a wired more with my Mac and then when I unplug it. It's paired with the laptop. You know what I mean. Same keyboard tray again more logic stuff on that in a moment but I liked that arrangement so for while the Microsoft mouse was my winner using it in wired mode because the economics are right. I love the scroll wheel. The Buttons Awesome Great. The shape was pretty good. That some flange wasn't too low I was breaking in the little pads in the bottom. Didn't have to deal Bluetooth because it was plugged. In logitech Renault's logic logitech has their own thing going on with Before you before Bluetooth. They have their own little wireless. Our F- Dongo you'd stick it into into a USB port and the mouse would communicate with it and as far as the computer was concerned. It's like there was A. US can do but really there was no wire there you know it's it's like USB with there's no cat. Youtube won't get that that's like a literary reference litter literary historical. It's a high brow reference much higher brow like eighties movies. Goodness our listeners will get you can look it up after. Anyway my wife has been using a wireless logic mass with sir computers since the twenty seven Mac Book Air. I haven't been using wider. Feels but I've seen people using it work and let me tell you logitech again disclaimer. They sent me a bunch of free stuff. So take this with a grain assault if you want but this is my opinion before this venture free stuff as well. That's stupid little. RF Dangle is rock solid yet it always has been that's like that's that's like one of the great reasons to use Logitech stuff is that those little are abdominals are way better than Bluetooth and usually they they. They also usually lead to much longer battery life in the in the in the mice and it's just like everything about them as better. Yeah it is fantastic. You would think. Isn't this Janke. Isn't this like a non apple. Non Elegant Solution shouldn't everything be Bluetooth. That's built into computer. The answer is no that logitech thing is amazing. Now a setting inside the USB three point Oh interference crap which not logitech fault. It's probably until asphalt setting that aside stupid little diner which now is microscopic microscopic. It it is you know if you. AB testing with a wired connection versus that are. I'm not sure I could tell the difference. It does not stutter it. It does not switch. The battery lasts for like seven years in your mouth. It's unbelievable so and in general I tend to like Logitech mice. Megan I'm using that logic mass for ten years right so I'm predisposed like Logitech the tracking was just. It was just unbelievable right this the marathon. It doesn't have a USB connection. So I have to use the wireless one but like you know I was like ball lodged. Has this down. They've have cornered this market until Bluetooth can match. It should not even consider Bluetooth mice the Maryland mouse specifically the mouse wheel. Not as Nice as the as the Microsoft one it's it's it's one that decides the scrolling size by tilting the mouse do you remember that mechanism. it's not it has a ratcheting mode and it has a smooth mode. The smooth very smooth ratcheting load is rationing but also rattle here. It's more fully licensed when you shake your mouse. You shouldn't hear anything. You shake this mousy here something. It's because because there's a lot of play on the mouse wheel. The buttons are okay. Shape is pretty good. But it's got a little bit of an overhang or your thumb goes instead of having street sides like the Microsoft Mon got two side buttons instead of three The feet and these sort of the scrolling action or the. I don't know what you call the. The mounting action is is better than having the perimeter but it is also breaking in. I think these pads are not even Teflon. They're like weird the textured so I think they're intentionally slowing down a little bit and I could do with it being a little more slick But in the competition between these two mice which the first two that I bought the Microsoft almost winning but I was using it wired finally logitech sent the the NFL masters three which I know as the mouse destroyed my curly's hands through that is the reputation what do you know about this now. Smart curly had hurt his hand. That's my house and I know that it's been around for a while people. Have you know something so forth. It's there is there is. This has the thumb shelf to end Altham chefs offs. I don't know what they are expecting you to put on there. How big people's thumbs are I? I knew there's A. There's a button in the thumb shelf a couple of logic. Mice have like button down there. I don't need need a button thumb shelf. This show is so big I could feel like three fingers on it. I don't like I was intentionally avoiding this mouse. Not Getting it. Because I'm like all right. I can handle assumption not EVATT thump shelf as it turns out the gigantic themself is a problem but it's not. It was not the the first problem I noticed the first of all I noticed the thumb shell from the whole wraparound thing of this. Mouse is sort of textured with like scallops kind of Corduroy type texture that do not find particularly pleasing. Can you only pet it in one direction and you can't. I mean it is kind of like the contour lines like on the bottom of a blue blue whale only on a mouse. I would prefer it if it was smooth. I love the idea that you think people will have seen a blue whale. Everyone knows what the underside of a blue whale looks like the when you see it in the encyclopedia with the big like Vertical Corduroy stripes right. I would guess that listeners of the show might actually be more likely to know what Amex master. It looks like the underside of a certain type of some people. Know an animal's look like Marco Anyway the mimics Amex master is a very hi mouse. It is the highest one. Also the one that rotates your hand most most towards the handshake Shaker. It's not a vertical mouse like a lot. People make vertical. Nice that you put your hand on it the same position as you perform a handshake vertically. That is better economically than turning your wrists inward. That's why keyboard tilted and that's why you know split keyboard Seattle right so organically. I'm thinking this is probably better for him. Position then these other mice. I do understand why Mike might have had ours issues because the master has like got a scroll wheel but it also has a horizontal. Scroll wheel by your thumb and it has two buttons by your thumb and then it's got the main two buttons and then it's got the gesture button down underneath them. It's got a lot of controls and if you try to work all the controls it's a little bit you have to be a little bit contortionist you can mostly ignored ignored the other controls if you don't want them because it's so high like the wheels up above your hand Anyway the scrolling action on this it's better than the cheaper logitech mice in terms of the smoothness of the pads moving across them not as smooth as my old mouse but definitely smoothie Microsoft mass again. I'm talking about fiscal scraping. Crossing the scroll this fancy scroll wheel it is metal it is solid it has the same sort of silent ratcheting Feel as has the Microsoft one. Maybe a little bit less stiff. I still think Microsoft has the best scroll wheel on the market right now that I've tried But this one has the thing where if you spent real fast they will auto switch from Ratcheting Notre Free Spinning and this has the momentum where it will freely spin and keep spending until you stop. Stop it in my experimentation because the other logic mass also has that mode. I found that I don't really like the free spending mode where you just give it a spin and stop it when you hit where you want want. That's not the way I like to work. I tried to get used to it over the course of the weeks. I couldn't but I am still playing with the LOGITECH. One where it's mostly ratcheting. But you don't have to switch which modes itself little auto switch the modes for you. I'm using IT wireless. I'm using it with the The little wireless Danville in recent decades. I don't know how long ago this happened. In probably a five years ago whatever logitech had changed their little. RF Dangle to be what they call a unifying receiver we just need one of those little dirty dangles and use. Is it with any number. I don't know it's probably limit but any number of peripherals and this is good because if you have like you know multiple mice and keyboards whatever you compare could pair them all of that. You don't need to five USB ports right and they come with some software to manage that which actually installed. But you're like Oh my God you bought hardware and you install install drivers or. Don't do that if it works. Drivers by all means do not installing third party stuff. And I know where you're coming from there that's usually my. He goes but First of all. I disobeyed that by buying steer mouse for the first two mice to mess with the tracking Adjustments if you remember the software it's like a USB mouse settings Swiss army knife or you have you can assign all the buttons on basically any mouse you can control control the cursor by adjusting the acceleration to four decimal points and sensitivity window snapping. And you know you can switch through different settings or different mice. Jason saved them and you could let the system control the mouse you know. It's very flexible. Be Software highly recommend to your mouth. Despite the facts that are a little mouse icon horrendously early initiative. Someone drawn new one for them. Because is that all the mice that are on my desk. I don't it looks like it. Looks like a Tampon. Let's just say it. Looks like a plastic applicator applicator Tampon. Please stairmaster changer. Jansher I got something else so already installed that and I found it extremely valuable for trying to adjust the tracking to make them all feel real good like to make them all feel like the apple now basically in terms of acceleration curves and everything and surprising. They don't out of the box if you just use them without any drivers but but for the master. I installed the crazy logitech thing that is a very wide Tampon. Some people the the Logitech software is called Logitech options as terribly ugly icon but the interface is actually pretty nice screen shot of it into our slack thing. It shows you nice photos of the devices that hurt up your computer and you click through to them. And it lets you customize the buttons unless you change the scrolling stuff you can change the sensitivity which wheel switches from ratcheting to free wheeling a whole bunch of other options you have a different things for scrolling pointer speed and different settings for the you know like everything you would imagine as as far as I can tell it has not destroyed my computer. The APP seems to be well behaved and the tracking on this mouse again. I I can definitely say with an x master. I could not tell the difference between this. USB connected mouths. There's no way I could tell. It is buttery smooth perfect precision control. How fast it is? It is amazing. Amazing shape wise. I thought it was gonNA hate this thing because of the giant thumb shopping because hiatus but in practice. I'm kinda getting used to it. Here is the one big downside inside and this is a little bit to do with my setup here the gigantic thumb shelf. There is a little pad again. The bottom of the mouse one of the slippery pads is under the thumb shelf shelf at the edge because my mouse pad is not quite big enough casually. I will mouse to the left edge of my mouse pad. When I'm traversing my monitor and the mouse as far as I'm concerned has not left the edge of the mouse pad right? 'cause my thumb is still well within the perimeter of the mouse pad but the stupid shelf six out so far that the shelf has left the edge of the mouse pad and now has fallen down like a millimeter. And when I tried to move it back the little paddy hand thing on the thumb shelf catches on the edge of the mouse pad which is terrible which is another reason that A. There's some shelf shouldn't be as big but B. I need a bigger mouse pad so that I can make the mouse pad that extent always so it hits the edge of my keyboard and that way I can never be able to get the thumbs off the edge because before that happens. The thumb chef will hit my my keyboard. So yeah in this competition right now. I'm using the master just because it is the newest one and I'm going to give it a fair shake shake of using it for a week or so to see my previous Champa champion. Was the Microsoft mouse again. If you don't know what a good knob on a toaster feels like our good knob on car. Feels like our good scofield like go to a Microsoft store and feel the scroll wheel on the Microsoft precision mouse. Whoever made this girl wheel deserves serves arrays as for the windows logo? It's the new windows logo which everybody knows. But you don't think about the new windows. Logo is literally a square with vertical and horizontal onto line. Going through the center of it. That's the logo teric it's so generic. That is very easy for me to look at this at absolutely not recognize. Good night that as a windows logo. It's also gray on black mouse right. Oh but you know you hear someone who say this is a good peripheral. This is a good mouse. So we talked about this or Microsoft has continued to make good peripherals. I there is this. Mouse is better than apple's mouths. Full Stop for unless you like very low mice right if you're like very little mice this sucks because it's it's higher than the apple mouse right but it's it's just playing better. It is economically better. It's easier to hold. It has more afford. Ince's it the controls on it like click feels higher quality than apple's click on its giant mouse. It it's a good product like I don't you know a Microsoft makes good product. They deserve to have their logo on this mass. The next master is a bit of an abomination and has a bunch of crap. Sticking out of it and I'm never gonNA use but the scrolling growing in it is great and the final thing is logitech has as part of this offer that I installed that. I hope I'm not going to regret. They have a thing where you can use multiple computers with the same set of peripherals and transparently switch between them. So you can bring the mouse to one edge of your screen the mouse cursor and it will leap onto another computer screen no KVM switching. No anything like literally the same mouse onto computers which you would think it's great because sometimes you've got your work laptop in your home and you're trying to do both at once and you don't have to use the track bed. But it does that magic using networking working on my lap. VPN that whole system won't work. So I'm probably not going to bother trying with the keyboard they sent. This is going to probably drive mark. Ah Wall but this is definitely a thing as too much keen travel word. There's too much have I mean you know. I've been using doing the apple. Aluminum keeping us. The apple extended to for years ahead. RSI issues and I found that the the apple USB keyboards with the you know the very short light travel like original aluminum extended keyboard. I found that better for my science since. Then I've been a big proponent of these apple monitors that don't take a lot of pressure or distance distance to press the keys because that's better for our side with the apple extended to I was hitting the keys to heart and it really exacerbated things right. I'm now on on. The keyboard came behind Mac pro. which is the magic switches? Which I love I I like these switches? These are my favorite desktop case. which is I've ever used in my post SL era I try the Logitech keyboard and those keys have so much travel? I felt like I was going on a journey every time. I don't have as much travel the apple extended to like. I'm not saying it's like that. But compared to the magic like I just felt like I was putting in so much work. I don't I don't have time to wait for these to go down. And the key gaps are oddly shaped other than that. The keyboard is also the keyboard has like a hick. Stand on the back where it's like cranked up and that's exactly the wrong thing for keyboard to do. It should be level or tilted away from you even but it weighs a ton on is made of metal but most importantly the computer scenario. That keyboard has three dedicated buttons where you can hit those buttons and it will cycle through three different computers again using his logitech logitech like a software and these unified receivers or whatever so if you go all logitech and if you do not have one of your computers on a VPN use a single keyboard in the single mouse to interact with three of them at the same time by pressing buttons on the keyboard to switch what the input is and by just moving the mouse between the screens. which is not a thing that I'm particularly equally interested in but I'm glad that feature exists and had to say so far using their software that they installed the hope is not destroying my computer? It's fairly straightforward straightforward to use an ugly icon. It seems kind of Nice. I don't know I mean maybe maybe next comments logics overrides. Destroy my computer. But UH so far. I think it's actually a pretty nice And then finally finally the camera the you know because my six fifteen million in dollar pro sexy are does not come with the camera of any kind but logitech. We'll sell you one for two hundred bucks or something it's expensive anyway. It's a quote Unquote Webcam. I think it's four K.. Had A few curiosities about this one. How do you have to connect it to your computer so that it works and two? How is the interface between like? How does it physically connect? I know they said it's like magnetic or whatever but how does that work like is it. Just you know the the Monitor case luminary which is not particularly magnetic. How does it actually connect well so the physical? Oh connection as far as I can tell and I really don't want anyone to tell me otherwise because then I'll take a tape measure. It's like on the smart cover thing on ipads I pads Like magnets in the device and also magnets in the cover and they line up with each other. So it's Kinda hard to get a smart cover on the wrong way like just snaps in I and you don't have to worry like Oh is it. Is it off shifted. It's just it goes into position right. So you bring this camera near the top of the Monitor and it just chunk magnetized right to spot that I assume is dead center in the Monitor which I find extremely pleasing and please tell. It's not true because I think the only place that goes on. I don't think you can put it on the left or on the right. I think it only in the middle second thing is connecting with the cable. It's USCC see the there's little USB port in the back of the camera and you could connect that all sorts of places. I can run a cable from the camera to the back of my computer to the top of my computer but also oh to the USB seaports that are on the back of my monitoring about with the base video card the radio on five eighty x those those USB ports are only usb no because all the high speed lanes in the connection between the computer and the Monitor being taken up by the non-displaced dream compressed video. How is that sufficient for four K video? Camera comes with a tiny little cable that connects directly from the Cameron is just long enough to reach any one of the three. USB Port which I super appreciate because cable management is an issue and this is a tiny beautiful purpose built cable. One is right. Angle the connector as a right angle for going into the back of the Monitor and the other one goes in or maybe reverse anyway. It's it's like a perfectly size cable plugged into the back of the Monitor. I think it's working. I opened facetime. I saw myself. I think I was in four K.. Is Really hard for me to tell the camera tilts which is nice. The Monitor is so big that I have to tell the camera down even though I like I just at the top of monitor is a directly aligned with my align right. That's where I have lined up even doing that. Maybe I'm just slouching all the time I don't know but I had the aim the camera down to get like view of myself and like the view of the room behind behind me so it's aimed down a little bit. The only way the whole physical setup could be better one if the camera was smaller. Because obviously it's a little comically large for what it's doing. I don't know what the Hell is inside that thing. But it's like come on. You can build granted a crappier camera but a so much smaller. One in the five K.. I. Mac so much so you don't even see that they are now. I have the things my monitor that it's a little bit overwhelming and to. Everyone should see this one coming. I would like it better. If the tiny little purpose built cable that came to connect this camera to the back of my monitor was a braided in black. Yep You got it. Braided rated in black make everything Britain. I will accept this merely black but not braided cable because it is the perfect length my word so and then so the the gaming mouse I'm interested in because of the high and because the shape of it is the closest to my house. But I haven't tried that yet so I've been sitting here with this computer with multiple nights. I think I've had at least three my sitting on his desk all connected to the computer at the same time for multiple weeks now. Not sure what I'm ever going in to pick a winner and retire one but right now it feels like The Microsoft Mouse's probably stunningly AMEX. Master had a few days in it. It's really nice. So it'd be lesson here is that if you haven't looked at the world of third party mice look at it because there's some good stuff out there and you may be surprised to find something that you know your body reactions looking to beginning of these things. They are only looking. They're not they're not like sleek or beautiful but some of them really are good knob. Feel thing mouse feels a thing and in particular non Bluetooth connections of your mice. Also a thing Do not turn your nose up at it because it's old tech. It's tech works. I will also add very briefly here. You mentioned during your keyboard segment that it would probably drive me crazy that you were saying you wanted to keyboard with less travel. I actually just by coincidence. Happened to between last week. And this week Change my keyboard temporarily. I usually use the Microsoft sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard uh not the surface economic these sculpt Ergonomic that is a it is split black keyboard with a gap in the middle and elevated on the front so it is by far my favorite Ergonomic keyboard aboard. And I've been using it for a number of years now however there is one fatal flaw with the Microsoft Sculpture Keyboard after a while it just kind of flakes out man. You got to replace it like there's no. There's no coming back from it like after a while. Key strokes will start like queuing up getting missed or something and you can change the batteries and you can move the receiver around and it just never fix itself. You have to replace it. Fortunately they're only about sixty bucks a mind last about two years so I wore out. The current one is using went to the closet ahead to get the national but I thought well I'm replacing it. I've gone through this. You know this kind of self-improvement kick for the last couple of years and one of the things mentioned on the show is I tried to eliminate myself from like being able to from having to say like Oh. I don't like an entire class food so like now. I can eat seafood for instance that I used to. I used to see like. I don't like seafood. And that would make it hard to go to certain types of restaurants and I hated that limitation. So I I've slowly worked like eliminate my limitations as much as possible people and one of the things I thought was now that I'm in better shape than I ever been in a regular exercise. My arms and wrists are in better condition. And they've been in. Maybe I don't need a split economic keyboard anymore I would love to be able to just comfortably us any keyboard again and be able to join this like mechanical keyboard revolution. Everyone's going through and everything and I happen to have in my closet for years a FILC. Oh Majesty to ten curious. Mechanical Keyboard with Cherry Amex Brown switches. I bought it years ago thinking maybe I would try it then. Tried it for about a week started getting sore and put in the closet so I thought now that I'm between keyboards awards. While I replace my sculpt let me try that again and sure enough in the sculpt has scissor Sakis Laptop kind of travel synthesizers keys the Phil Co of course has like the Big Mechanical Cherry Amex key full travel. It felt weird to me to go back because I've been using scissor keys on my desktop and my laptop full-time for over a decade and so it's been been a very long time since I've used full big Ka Chunk style keys and it really did feel weird to me ended up putting it back not because of the travel although it. I didn't give it enough time to get used to it. I gave it less than a day. But because I kept hitting the wrong modifiers and everything because I realized that the sculpt optus kind of ruined me for placement of what it is labelled as the Alta key but functionally behaviors the command key the key next to the space bar that modifies vice year. Your commands It lines up. It's all key almost below the E.. And most keyboards align that a key below the W or bridging between the W in the and so I realize I've actually kind of like my muscle memory of my left hand hitting command slash halt and all of the keys on that side. Like W E you know for window closing stuff like that. It was all off like accidentally quitting my apps hidden Q.. And W. and everything it was it was crazy and so I had to switch back just because like that was too much of an adjustment for me like that and the key travel. It just felt really weird to me so I'm kind of ruined now and now I kind of feel like scissor keys. Are My full travel keyboard again. Really they have been for over a decade a modestly myself but I wonder if that will ever transition for like I wonder if I will slowly get used to the lower and lower travel scissor key switches the apples moving towards over the years. And maybe eventually I won't care and I'll be like the butterfly. God I hope not be ready to. You'll be ready to type glass. Yeah right exactly exactly like like is like is there a lower limit to like how what we will get used to honestly I I think the butterfly keep might have shown like. Oh yeah okay. There is such thing as far. I think apple had a patent on a negative travel keyboard where the buttons actually bulge out at you. They hit you did have a thing worth like the screen bulges. You could feel where the keys are. Basically negative travel if they don't go in the reaches out to touch anyone. Mechanical Keyboards. Do for us you know apple extended to I used from you know the the the release of the SE. Thirty all up until I think my blue white G. three does that same keyboard extended to And then I switched the USB full travel keyboards and then I switched to the lower travel once but yeah it does feel weird to go back. It feels like it feels like you're going on quite a journey to get each key. Press us why you're using your whole arm it's like really and you know again. Technology marches on. I still vastly prefer this. The whatever key switches are in this magic keyboard the cable act pro vastly prefer that to the butterfly switches and by the way I just got my Twenty Seventeen Mac book pro back from repair at work and you know. I'm assuming they did a total keyboard replacement because I think that's the only way you can repair these things but my space bar's back it. They didn't replace it with the membrane. Want as far as I can tell you. I think you're not even able to replace it with the member anyone because it feels the same as it did Ladda but yeah this you know. I never really seriously considered a a a different keyboard. I really like this one. That came with the MAC pro and it the key travel has got to be like a third or a quarter of what it wasn't the apple extended to maybe maybe less. Maybe underestimate underestimate. Oh I forgot the one thing about the logic ridiculous software that comes with Because this mass has a million different settings on it is cool. Things this thing does it has settings for each of your devices and you can also use per application settings and it syncs them all to the cloud allowed so no matter what you know they have some kind of cloud service. What Mac you hook up or any any computer MAC or PC that use this mouse with it will remember your your preferences for how the Buttons Work and how this works and how the tracking works which is great like not having to sink? Got Up the great use of the cloud The second thing is it comes with a bunch launch of saved sets of like here. We've customized the things for this APP right so I'm in chrome now and if I do the horizontal scroll wheel. It's between Green Tabs. I don't know where all the settings hard and look at them. Like it. Prompts you and says hey do you WANNA try. I'll be settings and I was like you know what. Why the hell not like has wants for Photoshop for common apps where it tries to make all the various buttons and stuff do things that are interesting and useful in those out? Obviously you can customize this yourself again maybe why my gut our SL maybe had a logic setup where he was doing all sorts of the commands with it. Whatever but I liked the idea that they do most of that work for you and sing it all through the cloud and third party sharing things? Steer Mouse has that too by the way there's like. Hey here are settings and other people found useful for this particular mouse in terms of acceleration and sensitivity. That works you know and I would try other people settings that are like radio radio with star ratings or something and see how how do other people have it set up and do I like it That is technology. That's above and beyond like what you would think of the old days through the computer and it is what it is. It's so much beyond that and I'm I'm I'm really. I'm proud of Logitech for like expected. THEIR SOFTWARE TO BE GARBAGE THAN I expected affected their mice to be kind of clunky. And these things feel really solid and they're soft for seems pretty good and has useful features. I know again I know it sounds terrible because they just sent. Let me bunch of free stuff but this was my opinion before this stuff as well take it as you will. Thanks to our sponsors this week squarespace. Lynn owed and Mac Weldon and Dan. We will see you next week. Now this show is over. They didn't even mean to begin. Because it was Accident Accidental John Research Marco and Casey would him because it was accidental was accidental. You can find the show today dot. Aw Them L.. I assess that's is Casey lists. And a a R M Anti Marco Arment are PAC- a syracuse. You know I didn't get a chance to show but I don't understand why you don't just do what I did. which ah year or two ago would have seemed like heresy? I hope I pronounce that right. But anyways here say here's say but anyways Switching to the metric pad which. I'm actually supposed. Hey track pads. Oh my God you should've had you should've had no track peds. Never John John a year ago I completely agree with you a year ago I am. I am probably more devout my hatred a year ago of track pads than you are but now I'm I'm happy with it. I'm never ever switching to attract as one of the reasons. I hate laptops. I grew up with mice the way other people grew up with walking like try. Try like drain your buddy across the ground by your teeth. No I'm always going to walk. I am always going to use a mouse for things that are mouse like. Oh my God I it was. I understand why you have to on a laptop because it's a laptop as the only reason everyone will ever use one. Wow God beds John. I'm Helen you a year ago. I would have been even more accessory like how marker uses. Yeah then you're like a two handed thing. This is my swipe pad and this is my mouse. But no I I. Yeah I'm a big Fan left-hand-drive Pero en masse fan but I got them. The cursor is controlled by the mouse.

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Jes Mocha You Crazy - Short Jes Ep.

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10:51 min | 8 months ago

Jes Mocha You Crazy - Short Jes Ep.

"Hello brewed for people. This is just coffee podcast. I'm your host gesture and this is my audio coffee table. Grab your malic at Java or your cafe let's Converse Express. Some ideas are not Live could be better or life can be sweet straight up reading ladies created so many fibers solicit on it. Hello everyone how is Jose going? Today we are opening my car here. What the hell might car freaking out trying to figure out what? Why is it waking up so early? It's actually kind of late to. It's actually eight o'clock right now. I need to leave. Have you leave four? Today is a little short up jess. I mean short jess at short episode. So have a little confession to me a little drive three right here getting some coffee getting some coffee at the pit shop. Not Pit stop. I shouldn't I shouldn't indulge in coffee right now but when I wake up late like this I tend to just come here. It's across the street. I'M GONNA get myself a little mocha makers coffee because it's it's late and I didn't have time to frigging grandma morning. You know. Get Free State. Oh yeah can I get loca the sixteen ounce? Yeah so this episode is going to be just just might try to work on the road road work so yeah I got. I got a car during this time and my new I felt a little guilty when I bought it. Oh you bought it with your stimulus. Sure Mike Lucky I buy my stimulus. Check is a fucking investment. Sorry meeting like a coffee. Bean with my coffee right now. I was a little afraid to post photo. Satan during the pandemic all felt a lot of doing that. But you know. I took transit for the past four years of Portland. He'll get me wrong. Transit is I feel like I did my share of my transportation. I lived in frigate Hillsborough School. Portland issue. She took me like an hour and a half almost two hours for almost four hours of my day. It was a part time worker at a fulltime student at the time even wrong. I did live in Portland for a little while. Like maybe o year worth. I lived on campus but then it got too expensive school loan so like fuck it. I was going GONNA like Bryant. Sorted but Mucho said about my car like yes. I am very fortunate that I have vehicle but I believe it was fucking time. It was time for me to get a car I had the money for. I have good job where I'm able to afford it and I'm like hey you know what this is a little boost from the government and I'm going to be like Bam here. You go down payment five hundred dollars. You don't get more than five hundred dollars when you're buying a vehicle. I feel good. I feel more liberated that I really do. 'cause the Chicago out in my life but this is what it is. This is a car. Life is a little batmobile fat girl. That sounds like a stripper's me. Look at me crazy over here okay. This is kind of random. Strip club here Pass by like every single fucking day the fucking Lucky Devil These motherfuckers opened six to ten. No not promoting them but they have a drive through show going on here and I didn't know that so the other day I was driving by it was like in the evening time and I'm like are they really having like a club like outside you know just like Holy Shit until took us out like I listen to. Trevor Noah podcasting in love with that Guy Anyway he was like yeah. Portland has a drive through drive thru club. People are finally going to actually get to go orders like what the fuck. That's what they're doing. They're like people are wow like you know. If if that's what you WANNA do man go. You did pass by the other day in the girls are all like fucking Bass. I walked up Devon. Go you not me not stopping by. Oh Yeah I'm going to get better. I recording these episodes guys. I did it with through zoom consume. And honestly it's stressful at a in your own shit man But you know what I? It's fun the day goes by Fast Internet. Eddie it. It's okay but I'm doing it for the fun of it. I'm not doing it to get money out of it. I'm doing it to talk to you. Guys make people To try you guys interesting people. I do know there's there's a lot of people WANNA interview. I get a little bit of anxiety like out here. You owner you do this like pod course thing. I did through Bambi media. They rolled out this excel. She worked the organized very organized person by you. I don't know like I haven't been using it. You know and I need to use it worse like Texas People. He wanted to interview. Oh you want to do it for Shilton giggle. That's pretty much of. Its four to get your mind. Oh Shit I gotta get of the Freedom Farley. Oopsy you miss talking to you guys like all crazy that's why. I got a little turbo vehicle. Guys Whoa WHOA. Sometimes I don't really fast ongoing twenty miles per hour. That's all I can fucking sixty Michael Shit McCarthy's of local car here little Honda Civic. Two Thousand Eighteen. You guys are opposed to to foreign vehicles. Honda's last fucking forever forever. I used to have a little Honda civic to read one. Jeff fucking wrecked it. Yes as people might know. I got to fucking car accidents before I moved to Portland. Almost drove away from Tucson to Portland. Would've taken twenty four fucking hours all be like a half stopped somewhere stopped in Vegas go won the world. Is everyone going back to work today? Like what is up with traffic. It's not really traffic. I'm going to cut people off right here. Don't judge guys people do this all time. I'm just going to be like Oh oops I thought oh I could go right here Nicole right here. Sorry I drive safe guys. Just explain got into car. Accidents for you Isley. Osha was a different route to get to work. This is the fastest route to get there. I'm like five minutes way. Am I see recording? I don't even know like according earlier I was talking to myself. My coffee is perfect. All hope you guys coffees perfect. This morning I need you guys to let me know What you guys think about my recordings what ideas I should do. I got a few people coming up One of my really good friends of mine shelby. Her Dad's pilots recording Newton so recordings with him recording making album. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA GET WITH PAM. I'M GONNA get with a few friends back into song. Hopefully get some people that I work with right now. The maintenance Mike at my work who's pretty bad ass teared be having him in the show. Dr Drive drive drive drive drive. Oh my gosh so you gotta go. No I'm a little afraid of these concrete barriers. There was just one time when I was driving on my way to work as we almost two years ago. Wow Yeah it was almost two years ago and I was Jerry ex-boyfriends truck to work and it was outside playing from Arizona. What is the roads? Get fucking icy anyways. So I was driving six thirty in the fucking morning and Six hundred morning like getting onto the highway I started sliding like I started like him in the Middle Lane. So like I get a Middle Lane but as soon as I slide into my car. My car won't dude Struck literally faced the concrete barrier like literally like face to face that first puck and thought I was like Holy Shit. He's GonNa fucking kill me. My I have pretty good instincts or I should say reflexes. Anyways I was like oh shoes literally grabbed the steering wheel and I fucking stared at all the way to the right. Like I like fucking went all the way so when I did that. My car just went the opposite way. Like the tail of the truck was faced with the company very holy fuck early really did like a one eighty coli dude so I can. I steered the certain all to my left and I was flying. Elaine and I was like Holy Shit. I can't fucking move. What the Hell is going on and early called off the truck up scared? I don't know what's going on a global Blah about. I think your tires are slashed. Like it's not like they're tired of the damn truck. I was fucking scared so like my you and also the phone call with him. There's other car that I was getting into the highway. Almost did and it was like literally twenty feet from hitting me and I was like gotTa stop on the side because I went to the side of the road and check this out like all about the Blue Line. You know but this guy this came like checked on also whatever he came to the passenger side. I learned on the window just like nice track serious right now. You're going to see high like dude. I didn't say nothing. I was like seriously bad and I was like yeah. I'm for and then my wife and I end up coming in fucking Uber like over to work because each truck and he took off with their like just fucking fighting perfect in the Co Shit. Really seriously all right guys at his milestone for this morning check. Jeff thank you all for listening and sipping on your coffee with me today and remember. Life is like coffee Laviola today peace out.

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Curb Your Enthusiasm | Season 10 Premiere Recap: Happy New Year

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1:01:39 hr | 1 year ago

Curb Your Enthusiasm | Season 10 Premiere Recap: Happy New Year

"The curb your enthusiasm season premier is over. But we're just getting started talking about happy a New Year here on the curvier. Suzy ads and post show recap and now here. The two guys who always boycott MOCHA Joe. I am a robs winegar Kiva happy new year. Happy New Year Rob. Listen actually wrote in and said that when they're aboard they listened to the Seinfeld podcast. They were listening to the Dinner Party episode. I think that's up some seventy four Seinfeld last night. Yeah I randomly said that you cannot say happy new. Oh you're after January fifteenth not a new take for L. D.. I mean this was well executed but this was not in a curb your enthusiasm of our original no. The the New Year's take wasn't original. There was a lot of happy new year during this episode. Yeah no it was great though. I don't know exactly if they new officially like okay you guys. We're getting the January twentieth premier or nine hundred. Whatever Sunday's date was and that they really baked that in or they had this idea and then they ended up forcing HBO's hand for that? They had the air the show in January for the bit to work but happy new year to everybody. Nobody loves listening. Well I think I can answer that I think this show filmed. I believe in the summer of two thousand eighteen Right and then because the funkhouser dies I think the very beginning of two thousand nineteen and they had already filmed the show. Oh He's going to be in this season no neuro. He was sick act like he was supposed to be in it and then he kept getting sick and they think you would come back but he never came back to set Yeah I do wonder if once they didn't make January nineteen because of this episode. They we need to keep it. They needed to keep it in the can until the joke made sets like. I don't know why I don't know if they did it for January nineteen and it just never got to air till January twenty twenty. This episode would've been bizarre if they aired. It may explain the topical Harvey Weinstein Storylines. Yeah I'm pretty sure nobody. Nobody else pointed this out but I guess that's why people come to this podcast. Yes I do think they just sat on it for a while. Okay all right so here we are. It's Robin Akiva. Not Robina keeping the PODCAST. We're talking about the curb enthusiasm season premiere. We are not doing a weekly curb your enthusiasm podcast of a potential. We'll leave the door open for if there is something that happens that it's so iconic maybe we'll jump back on. I think they will probably save any other curb. Herb discussion in the micro for probably somewhere in the mail bag of Robin Keith. Anita podcast yeah that makes sense. We did right right. We we cover season nine which was back in twenty seventeen so it's really been almost two and a half years even though it feels the gap between seasons eight nine was over six years. What's your thought? The show. Is that so this feels like relatively recent. But it's been a while. Yeah it's been a minute. Of course. Keeping an eye have not missed the beat Rav of late that we took a little bit of a yacht as in between our curb your enthusiasm recap if you are just a curb your enthusiasm of recap subscriber. God bless you. God bless you curb your enthusiasm recap subscriber only and I keep an eye. Have our our sixty eight podcasts. Deep into Robin Akiva. Anita podcast. A weekly podcast where we spent a wheel of listeners submit ideas and do whatever comes up on the wheel and then discuss what should be added into the wheel for next time. That's what we've been up to. But for Larry and the curb gang has has much happened in in terms of. Where did we leave off? Season nine you. Can you reset season nine. Thought we should have something like previously on curb your enthusiasm by the way I when we started. I really wanted. What's what's the guy's name? Who does previously loss Braun? Yeah I like did a lot of research into getting Lloyd Braun to say previously under NAP for us But then I realized that would mean we'd have to edit what happened the previous week And then so then I was like maybe instead Lloyd Braun we could get The Guy Played Lloyd Brown on Seinfeld. Maybe but there's too so but I couldn't get either them or the Roy Brun anyway where we left. Where did we leave off the on in season nine? So there's the lin-manuel Miranda's play fatwa right. that Larry's making and then there's a fatwa against Larry And I think they try and kill them and they don't and I think he gets chased by Iranian men on the street and the season ended but the reason I guess he did not get killed from the fatwa. Okay so here. We are in season. I don't know if we want to do. Sort of like beat by beat He. Do you WanNa talk about your what worked. What didn't work our favorite moments? How do you WANNA tackle this? Yeah we could talk about bigger picture stuff. I will say like just going back to general macro ideas for season nine. We really did not. We did not love season nine at all to of us. Yeah and one of the reasons was there was just no. They're almost not I don't WANNA say stakes. But there's there's really nothing holding Larry Back now that Cheryl's completely out of the picture like she was last season and Larry walks around being a whole to everybody and there's no consequences to what he does. So it's it's a little cartoony it used to be Larry it would have come up and now it's just things happen and also back in the old days of vintage curb. Everything would tie tie together at the end of the episode of the end of the season and then last season we'd be like Oh we're gonna see those people again and the names would just never come up well. It was difficult at the end of episode one to kind of determine what is an ongoing storyline. And what is it one off here in the first episode you feel you have a good sense of what the Ark of the season is GonNa be. Yes I I might sense is the only thing here from season from episode one. That's going to be an ongoing. Storyline is the MOCHA Joe. Stolen were Larry's opening up. A neighboring rival rival cafe to his hated rival Mocha Joe. I would say yes. I agree with that. But then also is the Larry Cheryl Ted Danson Love Love Triangle. Also going to be ongoing storyline. I'll say yes but there's no way they have ten episodes of Ted. Danson or Cheryl hines. I don't think so. I think that will come up again again. That's a good point but only two or three more episodes on Sunday night. I was talking with my wife. About what should we watch. What you WANNA watch Watch curb your enthusiasm or for the good place and I realized Oh my God where we are such huge. Ted Danson stands at this house. Which Ted Danson show you WANNA watch? You're such a big Ted Danson fan that you watched his ex-girlfriend show last week for Robin giving you the pate. Yes yes of Gordon Goldberg. Look anything Ted Danson so kiva. Yeah I I do think that that's going to be ongoing. Storyline the you. You know the the farce of okay. We're sneaking around behind Ted Danson's back. Do you think that. This season culminates with it. Being the final season of curb and and a Larry and Cheryl reconciliation. I mean is this the final season. That's another good question we get to the bottom of. I don't know everyone. It feels very old this season. You think so. I think everyone got even though it hasn't been that long. Everyone got much older looking. Yeah Gerber enthusiasm is a very weird online online. I did see some articles that came up around the time of the season premiere. This is what twenty years for curb your enthusiasm ten. There's over twenty Joe is this show is older than like you know much older than facebook. Let's just say survivor. Curb is well curbs starts October fifteenth by two thousand but there is a special. There's a special that airs in ninety nine There's like like a prequel that airs in ninety nine so the idea definitely predates survivor. Yeah so here. It is amazingly just that the character of Leon Lee. Leon was a refugee from Hurricane Katrina which was in two thousand and five. I think yeah right. And he's been regular for so long you almost forget that he wasn't always a regular. Yeah do you think that. Could there be a curb. Your enthusiasm spin off Built around Leon. Yeah I think that's not a bad idea. We said the same thing about entourage show. Maybe we'll talk about one day. That Eh Bill. This is a Bill Simmons take two then that the show should have spun off and been about about like What's his name our Ferrara? Yeah yeah like a spin off and have him take over you know rappers on Rogers Ya think Leon could carry the show for sure. Okay so you don't think that Leon she'd go move in somebody else's else's guest house do you think that That the show could work we. You would watch for thirty minutes a week of Of Leon absolutely I think you can have a Leon spin off. I think I think it would work by the way we were talking about. Adding a third panelist to this episode Zander. Chester and one of the reasons was because he actually went to the curb premier in New York. I'm not sure how finagle tickets. But he sat in front of J B Smooth Leeann no he is more than the curve universe than than even even J. Sue who's look who looked really adapter. He was really sitting right by Larry so he had a lot of Interesting insights from the from for years though Jonker enthusiasm Jay smooth is the best character right. I think everything Leon says is like an immediate Laflin. I I do think he's it. Used to be suzy now. I think this stuff is a little played out. I'm not sick of her. But like we're we're we're so used to it that we expect her to yell and scream so Leeann I think has replaced the best character. Okay I WANNA know just big picture one of the things. AKIVA are we supposed to like Larry because Larry is might be the worst person and I. I feel like that used to be okay. We're all Larry but I'm not even sure he's redeemable at this point it's a great question. We debated it a little bit and season nine. Larry is just an abominable person. I do think that he is some. How much less likable like? He started as this deplorable no pun intended carrier. And now how. He has just him snapping the F- The first scene of the season is he snaps of tourists Selfie spin and then there's no like he just walks away way. There's they don't mention it. There's no follow up. He just keeps walking again. There's no consequences that anything Larry does anymore right knocks over a whole bunch of birds scooters do you think part of it is that he he does things like that. I think that there's some. Oh isn't that great like don't we all wish we could be Larry and be able to do these things with with no repercussions precautions. That's not the stuff that I think makes him genuinely unlikable I mean. Let's go to the end of the episode. This episode ends with Larry Larry Sort of bull rushing and knocking over a woman who was in labor. Yeah at again. Like she's the bad guy in that sort sort of debate right right and I just felt like that as a joke that I felt like it should've been you know Larry like brushes is up against her and she goes nuts and says like hey. Do you know what you did like if if anything happens with my pregnancy. It's your fault like I feel like that. That would be not even more of a joke because then that she did all of these other things that he is saying. That are not good for the baby and then she blamed. I mean yet like he really like who knows what he did. You knocked over woman. She's labor so that lady is an example of somebody. We will not see again. I thank you. Don't think we see the baby. No I don't think you say the baby. Yeah also. I felt like that. The storyline along with with Suzy. I mean that. Hear me out on this uncle key but So Larry is really leave very work. We're GONNA have a real sweat on the PELETON which Larry headed. It's a very elaborate home gym. Not sure why he goes to another Jim to walk on a treadmill do yet Larry. So grossed out by other people also like that that was own private. Jim many reasons does though so he is like a profusely. Sweating on the Peleton Cheryl comes over. And and then his solution to this rendezvous with Cheryl is that he's GonNa go get tacked up so he goes and he gets the talcum welcome powder from Leon and then he allows Cheryl to attempt an act on. This is not no shower tacked up. He's covered in sweat. What what kind of monster is this? Yeah how does show not say just run in the shower. What's going on? I don't even know how he gets in his own bed that'd to to get in his own bed in that condition is pretty gross. Yeah and Larry's as a particularly finicky guys so it's it's especially bizarre for him to do it but I guess listen. He's as his ex wife coming to his house like he doesn't have a lot of time to you know to. He doesn't want to second guess her decision. Yeah I'm not sure this makes Larry or Cheryl the freaky EST freak but This was Just completely blown away no pun intended as wild was pretty. Do we know Alley Alley last year. S Do we know of any previous allergy. That Cheryl had or did this come. Was this totally made up for this for the scene is Larry was married to this woman for many years. He's unaware of an allergy. Feel like even the least caring husband on earth would know their Weiss Allen I mean maybe Larry isn't a big talcum compound guy right maybe never came up maybe said once. I'm allergic talcum. Powder is like well. We don't have that in the hat. Have you come across the big talcum powder water guy at the gym. We would I be any chance to come across the talcum powder guy what Jim in your head Jim do I go to. I don't know no I don't know I mean there's been a gym. Yeah the only thing I know about talcum powder is whenever the owners of our football team are paying out like multi million in dollars settlements the people. Yeah that's right well like. I don't think the owner of our football team is smart enough to own Johnson and Johnson. He doesn't inherited some money from it. Yeah anyway so you bounce around with different storylines the throughout the episode things that we really liked and now the things that we he didn't like as much yes so one of the big headlines was that Jeff Garland looks a lot like Harvey Weinstein which is a great joke. That but yeah. That part of the story was a home run for me. Yeah absolutely. They've realized that and they were sitting on it and I never thought of it personally. I don't know if you head I'm sure he gets it a lot. Yeah I'm sure it didn't come into no. Nobody was like no. It wasn't like one of the writers saying hey look I'm sure he Jeff Carlin as has been getting it for years now when it was good and now now that it's really bad ya yes so that I think that really paid off. I don't know if that's going to be like a running storyline throughout the season. And maybe we'll be but yeah. That was definitely a homerun. People that social media really I think social was actually really kind to this episode. Yes There were more big laughs. And there's a long episodes thirty seven minutes. There were more big laughs than this than I think. Any season nine episode. Yeah I mean I think that's kind of what curb is where I think it's sort of like the baseball baseball player that might hit two home runs in a game but also you know strike out another four times in the same game. Yeah I put a little bit more like like The Simpsons family guy in its heyday. where it's like it's just jokes at this point When we're not the storylines almost irrelevant and immaterial to what's going on? So are you saying that in terms of like the plot being tight or you're saying in terms of that you wanna see more of the story in a curb your enthusiasm episodes. I think the plot should be tighter in that Tie together like they used to I WANNA see more of like I want to I just it. Last season's felt so lazy and even though this this episode was much funnier than almost anything last season. I still have very low confidence that they're not going to have a five episode. Rut where her nothing. Nothing's coming back and you know other than maybe the one MOCHA. Joe Storyline that. Who knows if we'll be sick of by episode for I don't know how much else is going to be going on. It's not what was so tightly scripted. Before and now it feels like they're just doing it on the fly so the other part of the story line that comes out of the Jeff looks like a Harvey Weinstein Weinstein is. The Larry is accu- wrongfully accused of the sexual harassment with the waitress. I thought it was funny that he ended that the waitress got the wrong impression that he's eyeing her but in terms of his assistant at work where then She comes in and then with a big thing. Harvey Weinstein wears a bathrobe. I think so. I don't have some takes on on both those in terms the waitress. It's fine to have him seem like an accidental Predator. Larry basically crosses the line into being a Predator like he does. He is extremely aggressive passive in that like side kitchen waitress and then grabs grabs her breast and then holds it for like four seconds when even though it's an accident Like she is right to he met you know what I mean. It's not like a misunderstand right and then also he's definitely over the line with When he's clean his glasses with the assistance shirt like who? WHO WHO? Who would do this? Larry not wrong for doing this yet. It used to be like Larry was on our side. And we've say like Oh yeah like how come can't people can't do that. Renew as a person who like my glasses are always need to be cleaned. And when my dad sees me the first thing he does is likely Lee my glasses the like. I'm always trying to have like but I know and I'm barely a person and I know I can't like us. The person next to me even like my wife or my kid's kids shirt to clean my glasses like there is no. That's not like a thing like oh so you know Larry at this point is basically. I think he's gotten old in in you know in the show. He's got an old. We sort of given up on any sort of retentive caring about what society cares but then at the end of the episode then when his assistant walks in the. You're telling me that when she started she goes nuts and she is like wait and your friends with him so his assistant has never met jeff who it makes sense. Such a flaw supposed to be like Larry's best friend who always in his office in the show that she thinks that like Oh with Harvey Harvey Weinstein is here and then also he got Larry wearing a bathrobe and so and I felt like that. That part of the storyline did not hold up. And I'm really hoping that this is not going to be part of a season long arc of that charges that are going to be brought up against. Larry how I would hope not why I mean. Why would you want your main character to be me too on a show? It doesn't make any sense but yeah it's crazy that Larry would have an assistant and they didn't say like Oh you're new. This is your first date. Yeah that wouldn't know his best friend slash manager the only person in his life. It's ridiculous who doesn't unannounced pop in the office like it's not like he's a stranger that's she's a bad manager. I mean she is being harassed work. I feel bad. I watched the second time before we came. I will say the one thing that had me laughing out loud out on the second. Viewing there was a number of things from the first. Viewing Larry spitting out the cereal for when he finds the dog hair. That had me crying. Second time yeah the dog and now you have been dog owner. I've never been dog owner. What is the rule with sharing abol? You have to watch it or is it a separate dog. Oh yeah there's no crossover of human bowls in dog balls that that I would think I don't know who's doing that. I think some people like wouldn't want the dog to mix with the human for the other reason when you mean value their dog so much more they wouldn't give like a guest in in their house. The special dog bowl. I mean I don't think you would serve any human like the from the dog's bowl not because the dog is so so special. Yeah I mean I didn't know thing I'm sure some people do it but I would imagine they're not the majority that is a little wild I'm sure there are people that are more generous in terms of like what they feed their dog and like us the same the same the same but I think that once. Everything's readings in the dishwasher. I mean I'm crazy but I feel like I'm not that great if a dog eight out of a bowl and then it went through the dishwasher. I would use that ball. That's interesting handwashing situation. I think that that was rents. A rare Iran's not a good one MOCHA Joe. Oh what did you make of Mocha Joe. I guess was a previous character. Do you have any recollection of the first appearance Joe. It didn't hit me right away but now oh I do remember it so we never covered the Seinfeld episode of curb your enthusiasm when they do a seinfeld reunion. But in the finale L. E. of season seven and the episode called Seinfeld Mocha. Joe Asks. Larry `smokin Joe for a favor when their onset MOCHA Joe Owns like some sort of a pop up like little coffee. Stand there onset If I remember correctly and G Larry Ask for a favor are and then MOCHA. Joe Expects a tip which is why they you know. They brought that back during this episode. Some real quarterbacks okay to their own show so the and then if you remember Mocha Joe s ends up asking Larry get the beans for him like Macho s Larry enormous favor on in that episode. So he's like the main part of that key episode which Ends with I believe Larry in Cheryl for the last time like she leaves him or whatever But that that was eleven years years ago in terms of the two thousand nine the Brian Back in the eleven year old character. So it's fair if you don't remember it you could still be a curb. Fan and not remember Mocha Joe. Yeah okay so MOCHA JOE is back we see Larry and Leon ended up going into Mocha Joe's store and there's some debate over whether Mocha Jones had to make a scone Keiv are you a big guy. I I'm not a scone guy. I don't think I've ever gone a more more of a fan of soft pastries than harping. What about you yeah? I think I'd much rather have a muffin. scone Guy Yeah no muffins are obviously the superior food discounts. It doesn't make any sense. I will say I am a big coffee temperature guy and just the fact that. There's even a debate. Debate of MOCHA. Joe Has hot coffee or not on out on MOCHA GEL. I'm all in on this. That's why we're boycotting. That's why we're boycotting. Will you drink iced coffee intentionally though. I'll drink iced coffee intentionally but almost always would rather have hot coffee. Even if it's one hundred ten degrees outside I'll still drink hot hot coffee as opposed to La- seeking out the cold coffee. And how do you check if coffee is hot and our stick my nose in it okay. that's that's correct. That's crazy I mean if coffee is hot steam is coming off of it. I feel like that this is a very easy. Tell all of that. You can like Ho. You could even just hold it up to your face you don't need to stick any appendage into a cup of scalding liquid to tell if taught yeah but then the Mocha Joe could say like no I see steam. You don't see this theme but I see the steam stick your nose in it. That's ultimate proof. I SORT OF I. I also like that on the same day that Larry because I think this has traction like sticking your nose in the hot coffee now. I've seen this all over the Internet this week the same day we saw Larry do this we. I saw a in the in the big. ABC Champ Game So Ryan Tannehill in the cold weather in Kansas City turning the IPAD pages with knows. Yes yes so a big big day a for you using your nose for alternative purposes. Yeah I the Adam Gay starting that. Oh man that's pretty good. Did you write up the rankings of the handsomeness coach on facebook. Did you do that or somebody else said that. No Oh that's not my style. Chester ranked all thirty two coaches by handsome. A Adam gays very very unfairly like twenty eighth below. Oh I think he should be left. I think he should be worse than Mike. McCarthy Mike McCarthy's Douglas. NFL coach. No I. I don't think so. I don't think so but I feel like that ad days. He's a lot a lot younger. He's got his nose is really messed up. I think the beard beard helps him off. Five simple do Kyle Shan and taught. Honestly I don't know enough of what he looks like Google real quick. Yeah Kyle Shanahan okay. We do which which. NFL coaches hotter and bet on that team Windy look like yeah. McVeigh's a hot Guy Sean. mcvay probably get cloud. Shanahan has better hair than Adam Gates. But I think it's similar. It's close is mcvay the hottest coach the NFL. We'll be football like ten seconds guys. I don't thinks I wouldn't say hottest number one who's gestures hottest coach. I don't remember I skim. The ranking ranking. We'll have to. I don't know if this is a peak podcasting or if we've completely gone off the rails we lost we definitely we lost people. That's for sure. Also another thing with the assistant. Rob What do you think. I don't have any tattoos. I believe you don't have any tattoos. Now I do. I have had instances where people talk about a tattoo or like they're talking about a tattoo but they can't show it to you because like you're at work and it's like it's not necessarily like on a private area area but in like not an area that's easily accessible at work you know under their pants or something. Yeah I do think like if attached if the meaning of a tattoo is personal to you. Don't be I guess you don't need to answer every stranger on the street but if you're like close with somebody or it's like a coworker who see day you should have a backup answer just make something uh-huh and you don't have to tell them the real answer but tell them something. Yeah I don't know enough about that too I I'm not gonNA ask about anybody's Tattoo. Ah Eighty brings it up right. L. D. brings it up so you should not do that but if a person's going on and on hey I just got new tattoo. I think you can then ask. That's an invite to say like well. What what is it or you know? What's it about And then if you don't want to say just have a fake. This is works for a lot of things in life. Just have a fake second. Answer the answer. That's not real. Yeah this is something. I like that. That's good work or like just go with like You knows my grandma's favored art or something. Like just answer. Anything that will you will. I'm not gonna any more follow ups you'll never have to worry about it again Okay let's jump around to it's a big party at Jeff Suzy's house Boy Jeffords. Suzy love to entertain. What's crazy? Roese is like we've seen them throwing parties. But we've never seen this apparently famous ventriloquist that before that we need to bring back with the divorced couple that you know. Ah Do you believe that they do this all the time we happen to have never seen it before. I guess that maybe it was something that that they did back. When Larry and Cheryl I started dating thing With as she his assistant in the VENTRILOQUIST ACT GAS I s wanted to see it seemed like as the kind of thing that they had not done in a very long time. Yes but again. It's been nine years really since season. Eight so so so they so they needed to do the ventriloquist act also at the party. We heard about the big goodbye for the first time time we knicker. Are you familiar with the big goodbye with this. A real thing prior to the curb and this episode. Okay so one of the the geniuses of Larry and Jerry Seinfeld is that they put a name to something that people have sort of known existed assisted but never really said out loud so the idea of not seeing somebody at some event and then just making sure before the end like Oh. Hey I really wish I'd seen you hung out the whole time with new lunch and then never speak to them again. We've all experienced that in some for. Maybe it's not an a party. Maybe it's you know you're avoiding a kid hid another parent. The kid's birthday party or you know could be for being synagogue or wherever you know. We're leaving now but will catch you another time. It's an old like I'm signing off line now but your own sarcoma like oh I gotta go in the shower okay. which we could have talked walked? But they're just they're naming it but what the really doing now is preventing you from being able to do in the future because now people know about the biggest by you giving me the big goodbye. Yeah I invented the big goodbye. I do think it made it riskier too big goodbye people now. I definitely know people who are big big goodbye people. Oh Oh you do I think so. I don't want to call them out but I know Someone for sure. Who's like the Queen of big goodbyes? Queen of big goodbyes. The woman I think so the woman. Yeah Yeah I mean. I'm sure there's a king somewhere else. So the person that Larry gives the big goodbye to or at least attempts to is Phil Rosenthal. Who ooh I? Actually I I met Phil Rosenthal one time. Wow and and how. What was the situation like? I don't remember I don't remember the victim Vic VI- situation but I that you are famously. Your Raymond Hater Right now. I just wasn't a fan but I definitely don't hate Raymond. I mean I'm really loves mm-hmm Yeah so I met Phil Rosenthal at the two thousand three. CBS Upfront that he was there and and he was sitting at the table with mark. Burnett I guess that him and his wife are survivor fans and I got the chance to hang out with Phil Rosenthal. Aw One night did not get asked to go to Ethiopia. But he was that he had asked Mark Burnett if I was going to be on survivor all stars and Mark Mark Burnett had responded. That is the Polish so that Phil Rosenthal at least at least was a interested survivor. Fan in two thousand and three what would a wing man he was for you because who knows what. If you're on the bubble and then show love yeah love celebrities carrying so I wonder what twists Phil Rosenthal has has implemented on survivor. That we don't know about in the last fifteen years. Yeah probably not not many. I wouldn't I wouldn't think that you know that you still watching probably not. I've heard he's used to go on the Adam Corolla. PODCAST used to. Yeah he he gets around like He. Has that Netflix show. I happen to think by the way the Phil stuff here with with the second scene is brilliant. I do think we haven't really seen that before In pop culture and I it could have been very stale. This Maga hat bet that you could explain second yeah because because again the they filmed it over eighteen months ago. Who knows what could have happened in the world You know maybe the Maga hats would be replaced by another slogan. Anything could happen. Yeah it'll be replaced. It's like but yeah I think they nailed it. I think this is really good. Yeah so all right so fills in a call outlet for the the. Oh you're giving me the big goodbye. And he yeah he he disavows the that he is. He's not doing the big goodbye. They're going to end up having a having lunch and then also at the party. We find. Find out that Richard Lewis is going to boycott MOCHA Joe Solidarity. Ya Know I like that I do like the solidarity. Do you have any solidarity boycotts with like somebody. A friend of a friend is bad so now like you're anti them or something. Do you have any solid area. I don't know if somebody that was my friend really had like a falling out with another podcast. I would go on that podcast. Okay so if I was like hey we strong was really mean into me can never go on the bachelor podcast again. You do that automatically strong longer than you. Oh so you're saying if Hailey Strong said Akiva was to me. Yeah and you'd have to quit on that. Yes Yeah I lost a face off the Haley. Stormy will join us a cool for Canadian and we're going to get the ventriloquist acted the party. and Larry going to end up taking Cheryl all home. Are we supposed to be pro. Larry and Cheryl and we're supposed to be rooting for Larry and Cheryl to get back together. AKIVA I it's very sad but to me it's incredibly important. That laron are inch like my parents never got divorced married to me. This is like the closest anything to my parents getting. Divorced Larry shells putting up. I need them to get back together. It is part of the story for us to get there like doesn't like Ted Danson like it's about Ted Dances being painted as Ted Danson like such a good Guy Villi don't we. I need to see Ted. Dancing is a satanist or something for us to get to the point. Where we're rooting for Larry and Cheryl to get back together? Are you really rooting for Ted. Danson over Larry. I mean here's Larry. It was is a a bad person that he ensures are divorced. Where we're being told? Dancing is a good guy that seems like a better. The match for Cheryl in many many ways and here comes Larry who is the other man. I mean. She's dating Ted Danson and yes. They were sneaking around at one point last season when they first got together he also poisons her in this episode. He's not a good guy so I don't know. I feel morally conflicted even rooting for them to get back together. I understand but I I. But she's with Ted Danson Meyers. It was a great place right. Oh for sure Larry's is there like even worse places the bad place. I'm not up to date on the bed on the good place show but Larry's definitely not going to the good place. He's not in purgatory. Ted Danson I mean Cheryl hines on. The show is like Ingela character other than that that she's cheating on her boyfriend. Yes the feel morally superior to him the the only one who's really destined for the good place like Susie Jeff Bad Place People Leon neutral too bad Medium play the only these are the medium place. The only person who's really fun there. Oh yeah I mean Larry Larry would know what to do with him. Something good place. There was a good question in I think we discussed briefly in two thousand seventeen from our old lake great listener dominic male Yeti which was is Larry David on on curb a worse person than all the Seinfeld core but I guess the most specifically George because George is the worst more for so. Who's a worse person? Larry David George I. I mean Georgia's responsible for a murder. I don't know if Larry is killed anybody for her for a murder or I mean I think we counted a bunch of deaths. It's that Jordan possible for right on. Yeah throughout her. But I mean most famously Susan. But that's his fault and a couple of other deaths. Yeah I don't know. It is a good question but I think Larry at this point is really running up the score on George. Yeah now I think Larry Larry's a lot worse all right. Well let's get to. What I thought was the best part of the episode? Where Larry Ends up going to that lunch with Phil Rosenthal but first uncle? 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All access access for free and stream star Trek Picard. This Thursday. Yes Akiva if you want to keep your eyes on a older bald man man who is a good role model checkout star Trek Card shots fired. Yeah from yeah. Yeah but I believe that. He's a better person. The nudge better much better. That you want you know you that that is a bald man. You could follow to the depth of deep space. Not Larry Elder. What's his famous catchphrase? May the force be with you now know now make it so make it so okay. All right not a famous catchphrase. That's what that's what do you. What do you make it so? Yeah I never ever heard of it. Should that be our catchphrase. We're doing catchphrase podcast. This weekend should make it so we take that because I don't I don't make it second separate again. No I read all right so no it comes up at the party. That That jeff is does not like somebody else because They wear the make America. Great again hat. Nobody wants to be around. lightbulb goes is often Larry's had that that's how he's going to get out of this lunch with Phil Rosenthal and I have to say I was crying at this part in the episode. Yeah it's incredible edible I. It was so well thought out. It was so funny Honestly like I know a lot of people obviously would never put on a Maga hat but the idea of using it was really funny. I did it you know. I've talked about my struggle to get the twitter handle at Kiev listeners. Always tweet at a V and show block you for asking you know and even if we say hey I'll give you ten thousand dollars for the name because I'm at Kif Twenty Six. She won't she won't respond but she's not really on twitter she's like two hours is but she only follows like parody trump counts and clearly hates trump. Yeah so I did think about like saying like I'm GONNA move to a swing state and vote for trump. If you don't tell me the handle so like I have sort of had to start before but this is pretty well. You're blocked no. I'm out blocks for everyone else. Who tweets it hers block so Phil Rosenthal Very uncomfortable with Larry Larry getting a lot of dirty looks at the restaurant? I have to say that I Akiba. I thought this was the best trump campaign at I've ever seen. Yeah it was pretty funny. Yeah I I also like the scene. Afterwards where he's Taj was great. Yeah the montages incredible where the biker like leaves alone when he puts on the Maga hat. Yes yes I I really felt like. Wow what a superpower this would be to be able to get out of all these things that you don't you don't want to do you. Just with a magical hat. Do you think you should drive around. Like Bernie hat and like every candidate and then just like just in case so all right Are there certain things you can get out of a Yang hat now. Think the club crew will get let you out of Of some speeding tickets now. Yeah that you were Mayor Pete Hat to go to like a closure gathering. Okay so you feel like the whole suitcase full of hats just all all like twenty of them you got the bomb steer you know money whatever That was the Bloomberg shirts we saw on the view. Lastly Mike. I think it's like make nick. Yeah so yeah. I'm sure there is like the the corollary of like you know your places like in the south that you can go to and but there's no signature item that you could wear like eos pin or whatever no not. Everybody has a signature item. That is true. Yeah I think Penn would definitely gotta stuff It'd be very confusing if you were just like left. ABC Pin on also had a Maga hat on Shark Club. He's just trying to run your everybody. Yeah Yeah you're just confusing people that yeah but that was a fantastic scene in the in the episode Phil Rosenthal. You comes back or no. No I think it was a one off guest spot. Jeff Garland said he won't even play golf with Maga- guy but then was like very unconcerned. When Larry was wearing the hat like why are you wearing that? That's weird. Yeah but take off with them. He said that was brilliant. Brilliant maybe we'll see jeff do in the future they're all going to do it so Richard Lewis this is breaking. The boycott at Mocha Joe. I have I said I find Richard Lewis to not be such a great character on the show. You hate Richard Lewis. He's really favor every character. Yeah I mean. He's a loathsome person on the show. Also maybe a real life is the light. I don't know yeah I mean like is Richard Lewis. He's really funny on the show I know he's a gifted comedian. Prices find character just to be never that interesting. When you said that when when you drop this take a couple of years ago there was definitely people on your side but there were there? Were definitely a couple of people. Were like now rob is way off. Yeah we'll be. I don't care about other people I care about you. No I'm with you. He's my least favorite character as much as you but first of all this like come on. You said you said you'd boycott. I won't go with you. What does that mean? You're not he's bad you go to the store right especially go drink MOCHA. Joe's called coffee ridiculous. Yeah then we're going to see Larry eventually. Eventually he sees that. The shop next door is is for sale. I do love this idea of the spite store. That Larry he has all these resources. He's going to put his time into opening up. A STORE TO PUT MOCHA JOE at a business. I was surprised though when Larry says that he's GonNa open up a coffee shop to compete with MOCHA. Joe I feel like that there are a number of different ways. He can go with opening up a shop next NEK store. That's GonNa prevent anybody from wanting to go next door. What's the what would you do? I have I mean you could further the trump stuff and have like trump headquarters in la. Right there yeah. I think those are going to go in and get coffee from okay. Yeah that's true. Okay fine how about this Look a baby goat petting Ah storefront right just stinks. Nobody will go in. It's so smelly. Yeah there's a lot of things you can do there to prevent Mocha Joe. Oh to from being able to nice business next door to him. Where's this going? No that allow runway here for lottery. Larry versus MOCHA Ohka. Joe This season. I'm not sure it's a good question I do think it's going to be the key. Storyline I don't know it's GonNa be all ten episodes but I do think it's going to be a big deal. I liked the again. We we've discussed plus this before. Larry is so rich in real life and therefore on the show like on on the show. He is the creator of Seinfeld. These very wealthy man. You should do more with that. It is funny you really rich style to just be able to do cartoon type things with your money right By store for no reason. Yeah so you should take advantage of the fact that your character is a zillionaire. How do you feel about wobbly tables? Akiva it clearly bothers Larry. David wasn't the strength of the episode. But that is very typical. Larry thing to be worried about the wobbly table. It reminds me of your SPEC would from the From from a previous season finale. Where were you know Larry Larry's very very hung up on furniture yeah? I don't like the wobbly table I sorta I get it in Mocha Joe. I find it hard to imagine that you could have a nightstand in your house. That would be that Wildly yeah you know. We have something similar in my house where we have like six matching chairs at a like a dining room set that are out And one of them is always broken and my wife was very handy is always fixing it but it's just like irreparably broken but we can't replace it then. You have like an odd number of chairs so she just keeps fixing it and then I get get the bad shares especially when we have company And then put them like. It's like breaking so it'll be a big laugh at the guest falls. It'll be mortifying oh you're or one of the kids. Forget about somebody cared about. Yeah it would be bad but I can fall all day long career. Okay Kiva do you have any other takes about this episode. Yeah I loved when Larry explained to. Cheryl hines that or to Cheryl David who whatever her name is in the show sue. What's her name in the show? What's her last name? I have no idea anyway I guess probably David. Yeah I I love. Larry explained to her that she loves loves being with Larry because she is morally superior to him. It makes me feel good about yourself whereas Larry is not more or less superior to a single person on earth. And that's that's why Larry hates animals Larry's a relationship with animals that he is morally superior to address bug that he could just crush them. Yeah Bug could crushing Russian. which would make him not more moral superior? There was a lot of things I liked. I love the idea of tapping hours. Yes talking about tapping our sir. Leon Akiva I don't know I don't know I must be asleep during happened that yes I go to bed very early. Yeah tapping our is might be you. You know seven. PM To seven twenty. I don't know the We have would you have name the store. Lot Larry's did you have a better name for. LDC's coffee shop. I think it's good. I better than MOCHA Joe. Joe is a bad name. I mean it's a funny name as your nickname name but I don't know it's kind of generic as a store. What's your coffee shop name? He vs Coffee Yeah. TV's is coffee with a K.. I Dunno Robson roasts. Are you rob. Ross thinking a little bit like Kenny. Rogers roasters I'd the store next door next door you have a coffee slash chicken stop shop. Yeah I they don't have enough nicknames to be able to pull off a good coffee shop Know what is right in and tell us a good coffee shop for also another thing. I noticed on the show in terms of like very lazy. Things are we to believe that Labor and delivery in this hospital and you could ask your wife works in in hospitals same floor as allergic reactions right. He's admitted from the emergency room. You're right there and like we're delivery. Rooms are this lady having a baby. Five five feet away from people were. Oh we're like contagious so I did. I did watch the episode with my wife who is a nurse she works in neo natal intensive care and so she also she hates. Larry David She fan she's crazy. She Hey watch curb ignoring. She thinks he's annoying. And all the things he reminds your her of you a little bit. Yeah I think all the things that she doesn't like about me she sees sorry David just the she's sooner. Listen to this questions. Yeah watching episode occurs. She could she could sit through an episode of curb your enthusiasm. She wouldn't listen to any of our PODCASTS And so then she did she get like famous. She hates Larry David. She can't stand him by but look at this episode. And she I asked her a number of the questions about the issues of okay. So in Larry's at the gym with the pregnant woman. I'm an is nine months pregnant. And she's running so but that doesn't that doesn't look right is that is that okay. She says that's it's fine. It's fine he's he's a jerk he should mind his own business. It's fine and then I asked her about the what about the coffee. He's he's he's supposed to drink coffees she can do do whatever she wants. She's fine. She's fine he she eats the mind his own business so that was her official medical opinion of that. So you can run when you're the very late term of the pregnancy and also the coffee. It's fine can we Can I break take a little bit of a late breaking news that deals with our sponsor of this episode right star Trek on select. Yes do you know about this. No what what's happening The the In in the Robin Akiva Universe Whoopie Goldberg. Yes joining season. Two of Star Trek Picard. Oh she's reprising her role as Guinan Yes that would be. Berg is a big part of Star Trek the next generation. I didn't know that so. He invited her live on air on the view today. Wow also the breaking news from view yeah views been breaking news left and right yes so and that was in our earlier phone call right before we came on that Dr Mike Call to talk schedule about potentially Dr Mike appearing on Episode Number Sixty Nine Robin and giving you the podcast and he wanted to tell us that that he is actually a huge view. Stan and we said that nobody said they want to be a guest. For the broaden enjoy the view and Dr Mike Walker Whoa that he never misses an episode of the view and he could have been our guests. Imagine he's GonNa come on your thinking to come on talk like not safe for work stuff. Urology allergy so if people are also the view Meghan McCain for an hour More things like Larry talking about how nobody wears the Maga had backwards like feet up from behind. Yeah yeah so that would be some issues. This is going to be the first person another good thing. When when Larry's bickering at the gym mm-hmm with with Suzy's friend who is very pregnant and says you're jostling the fetus which is such a curb term She Says No. I consulted by midwife. Who says it's it's fine and then Larry says we'll did you? Consult Your Blacksmith. Larry Anti Midwife Yeah I think they should bring the midwife character I would like to see the midwife yeah I would like to see Larry become a midwife. Maybe I don't know my my so you know. I think I dropped this last Last season we did. But I I really firmly believe very strongly. And because it also mirrors mirrors Larry's real life. I do think they dropped the ball. That Larry should have had a kid on the show when the show started. Now you could like bring it back because it does have a kid in real life. Who famously dated Pete Davidson? Yeah like right before. He got famous. Because I think there would be a lot of comedy from Larry having daughter. Maybe the daughter has a boyfriend. Like you know could be a Pete Davidson type even that like even if you went through the very cartoony like Larry has a long lost daughter. WHO's coming to live with him? Allah maybe she dates j smooth I think there's a lot to mind there. They should really do that or like Larry. Adopts a kid maybe. Yeah I like that they have that with the black family. Had Kids Ed's right uh-huh yes the black family kids but Yeah we have seen Vivica Fox what happens with that and we haven't really seen We have not seen when Sykes and while either now no I don't know if she's out maybe she moved away. Yeah I think Larry's moved a few times. There's also a different China. Yeah I have a voice mail that you sent me from our resident curb expert. Mr Alexander Alexander Chester. Yeah play that okay. All right here we go. This is a voicemail left for us by Alexander Chester Steen. Eighteen style with a long audio recording so basically One of the things we talked about in Q. A. and it's all we need to set this up anymore anymore. You feel like if people got that. He's he's going right into the Cuban stuff. Yeah and he's referencing a person who nobody knows okay for dressed in the recent G. Q.. Profile on him is the fact that when Larry started creating the show the character of Larry on the show was basically like the ID version of Larry it was. It wasn't real life Larry. David was sort of the things that he wished he could do. But obviously never would because it would be inappropriate and the things that a lot of us wish we could do and what happened the overtime as the show became more and more popular is Larry David. The real life figure people started to see him as the character on the TV show and they because they like him they allowed him to get away with Acting in a way like he did on the TV show even though ordinarily you can never get that way in real life so basically. It became life imitating art. Where real life Larry? David who when the show Started was not the TV show version. Of Larry David has now become the TV show. Version of Larry David by by his own. Admittance and so now that he's basically become the TV show version. Reason of Larry David where does the TV show half to go. It has become even more extreme because the whole point of the show is that on the show. He acts more extreme than he ever would in real life but now he's exacting in real life the way that he used to act on the show so now on the show he has to act more extreme synonymous show yesterday psychotic asshole things like pushing over a bunch of scooters or breaking some stranger selfie stick because just merely saying like possibly inappropriate things in certain context like that's not going to get him far as doing real life already so basically the he's almost a victim of his own success because he's become this ridiculous characterized TV show gotten away with it in real life now has become even more ridiculous character on the TV show. And I guess we'll have to wait and see if reductio ad absurdum if this just continues forever which would be entertaining the seat? I mean does he become like trump and just literally like Rob reductio AD absurdum. You know that right. I don't think we got the same thing. Is this also like Chester on on the podcast. Talks about all these different crazy spreadsheets. That he does and that sort of thing and so that now in real life you need to keep making like crazier lists and more absurd spreadsheets. Just because the character of Chester on the podcast is known for doing these outlandish thing so in order to get at the attention of the people that listen to the Pie. Se needs the real life. Chester has to keep doing bigger and crazier things and charting more things that he could talk about them on the podcast. So that the people in real life could pay more attention to the on the PODCASTS. Wow is this goes many layers yeah. He's a prisoner of his own charts. It reminds me of my I friend in college food guys talking about rum and I think he wanted to join the conversation so it was like. Oh Yeah Big Ron guidry run my own life and then they like ask them to bring some run back or whatever and he had to like pretend to like rum and he spent like a thousand dollars for his dorm. Whatever and eat didn't like rum? Okay all right Kiva anything else on the WanNa talk about with Curb enthusiasm what if what if the next episode is incredible. What what are we GONNA do? Do we have to come back and talk about. There's an Alzheimer you know. And then we feel like that. Hey this merits A podcast then. Well let's let's do a recap I mean but we didn't. We did get a a decent men requests for people who have been tweeting us even today. Like where's the PODCASTS. Requests Shannon Shannon Gates watches curb Chennault shuttle curb Shannon Gates I think now Shannon. Gus said it's her dad's favorite podcast talking about her and that we should do it. Okay all right so uncle key be Let's let's start to wrap wrap things up. I I have to take my wife. Sure OSCO my computer for something. The big the big goodbye. Why so we we should talk to you? Got Another podcast coming up tomorrow. We're going to record a Robin Akiva. Need a podcast. Oh is there anything. USA about curb. No I like this episode. I'm still concerned about the about the direction of the season much like last season but I thought if all ten episodes are as funny as this or even eighty eighty percent funny as this. Then we're in for you. Forget that the show is really funny. And they're not a lot of good comedies on TV. How many shows do you watch regularly robber? You laugh out loud. Multiple Times are loud. I'm sure you left out loud multiple times watching this episode. Everybody could yeah. No I had some Some big laughs really enjoyed it so a Very very happy to have her back We'll see where it goes up cautiously optimistic. Okay all right there you go all right for more Kiva winokur. Where can people get more uncle TV? I do podcast with you. Need to podcast We we did a Seinfeld podcast together once upon a time. If you've never heard that PODCAST with Alexander Chester. We just heard him call thirty two fans. We talk about sports. The Super Bowl's coming up. You've heard of that. Maybe we'll talk about the royal rumble next week even though I haven't really been watching wrestling for a while Yeah and at twenty six on twitter. Where can people find you? I'm at rob sister. Nino we know and of course rescue. Yeah that's fine. All My podcasts on a rob has a podcast as well all right where we're running out of application memory here on this recording computer. So we're uncharted territory. So let's let's get out of here with the podcast still intact now you guys so much for listening Checkout Robin the gas. You haven't yet and we'll have a good one yeah

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Venmo Tells Scammed Customers to Pay Up

WSJ Your Money Briefing

12:42 min | 4 months ago

Venmo Tells Scammed Customers to Pay Up

"Abbott is Scaling Up Access to cove in nineteen tests to help us get back to our lives with confidence another life changing technology from habit. So you don't wait for life you live. Learn more at Adt. Dot Com. Abbott life to the fullest. Here's your money briefing for Friday September twenty fifth. I'm JR Waylon for the Wall Street Journal people use the payment APP then Mo to send small amounts to friends and family or to pay for items online and to some then Venema may just seem like an online bank, but there have been cases of fraud and users of the APP who've been duped could be in for a rude awakening. Find their account in the red. They usually think that you know my bank has my back. My financial institution has my back my husband back and not only do they find out that Ben Mo- May seem indifferent to the fact that they were scammed. They actually want to go after the victim of the scam instead of the scammer reporter Peter. Together we'll have more after the break business wars. Newest season is all about pizza. They explore the Domino's versus pizza hut rivalry and the special sauce that makes these global brands. So Successful Pizza Hut and domino's both started a small shops in the heartland of. But when their businesses began to rise, they inspired a whole host of competitors to join the market forcing both companies to innovate at a rapid pace from competing home delivery models direct pricing wars Domino's and pizza hut have consistently led the way of a one hundred billion dollar industry. So which do you prefer Pizza Hut or dominoes listen to the newest season of business spores on Apple podcasts spotify or listen ad free on the wondering APP. scammers are always looking for their next victim and online money apps are perfect hunting ground. Then more user seemed to be new targets on their list but while other online transactions often have some kind of fraud protection those who get tricked into sending money to imposters can wind up being held accountable for lost funds, banking and finance reporter Peter Rudiguer joins me to discuss. So you know Peter Unfortunately being scammed a danger to look out for when doing online transactions but this is Something new the person being scammed with responsible. Well, a lot of people haven't heard of anything like this happening them before usually they think if you use your credit card or your debit card to fund something online, you're protected right because it's your bank unfortunately when you use a service like Ben, mo or up similar PCP they're called payment service. The protections are slightly different so you don't really have the same sort of rights or you know assistance from your bank when you`re Doing something to another person like that as you would, if you're swiping your card or even entering an online shopping form so help us understand the cash flow here if somebody transfers money to buy something, where does it go and what would trigger then mode then try to force the user to come up with the funds Jr if I were to send you ten dollars on Ben Mo-. probably got a notification on your phone and it says your account Balances Green plus. Ten in mine is red minus ten, and it looks instantaneous and you can use that ten dollars to send somebody else. On Ben Mo- you can pay a small fee and moved out to your bank account within minutes was actually happening as much slower process the same process by which checks, clear or any movement any money moves out of your bank account for any other transactions that takes a day or more. So even if it looks like the money's in your Ben Mocha. It takes a day or more to move from my bank to Ben Mo, and then into your bank I if you want to move it there, and what can happen is a user can say after they authorize the payment, maybe the find out they've been a victim of a scam and they want to stop the payment. So they call their bank, they say, Hey, I'm in this one, two, three day window the money hasn't left put a stop payment on that. Then Mo said because looks like it's instantaneous in your account and you can kind of take it out. If you want with a small fee or senate to someone else on Vento they advance you the money a lot of the time. So you can use it and they are reimbursed kind of when that one or three day period happens and the and the money clears. But if that's interrupted like if you stop the payment a check, you can end up having negative balance on your account and Ben can be holding the bag okay in. So that's when they would start the process of putting some pressure on the user right? That's when they might send you an email saying. You know you have this negative balance effectively you have debt and we would like you to pay this debt and here's some of the things we might do to make you pay the stat. One of them is let's say you have five hundred bucks just sitting here benmaller count already they might debit that amount and say, okay, we'll take the ten dollars that you know you owe jr out of that. If you don't have any money in your account, they might say you need to pay us and if you don't pay US then we might exert pressure such as reporting. You to a debt collection agency, a debt collection agency I expect some users don't expect it to go that far not at all and a lot of the user we spoke to for the story are victims of scams themselves. Right? They usually think that you know my bank has my back. My financial institution has my back bend my husband back and not only do they find out that Ben Mo- May seem indifferent to the fact that they were scammed. They actually want to go after the victim of the scam it can look like instead of the Scammer, right? So Ben. Nimmo knows the identity of the person receiving the money but if that person removes the money out of been Mellon just on their account that doesn't really have any recourse against them but under their terms and conditions, they might have recourse against you. So they might come after you for that amount. So it's very frustrating for consumers to be surprised with this and given the economic environment were in kind of stress over whether or not they want to have the credit score may be damaged if they get reported to a collection agency or they have to pay this debt. That might be difficult them to pay that. They don't think they even. Oh, wow this really put some vin will users in a tight spot. You know scams of all kinds of proliferated during the pandemic then Mo is just one of the mediums by which the scammers are trying to get their money I spoke to one woman who was unemployed and she thought she was being interviewed for a job at a publishing company. There was a legit interviewer she went online and answered questions She was told the she was hired and send money via check to pay for. Work, from home equipment, you know computers software, which he did. You know they said, you know pay the supplier over Venlo and gave the mail address. She separately emailed someone else at the publishing company about the position, and that's when she found out. She was being scammed that these people were impostors that there was no job that she was interviewed or hired for. So she immediately calls her bank and says, you know stop this payment it's to a scammer and they thankfully did however as we discussed Ben Mola Times advances, the money to the scammer and this in this. Case, it was I believe twenty, five, hundred dollars and this woman was unemployed at the time couldn't really afford that. But VENEMA was coming after her with emails saying you know by not paying you run the risk of being sent to a collection agency. She decided you know I really can't afford having that hanging over me. So I'm going to pay it. One other person we talked to actually had a debt collector, call her during the pandemic, not just a threat. This has actually been most sending a debt collector after someone because I've been negative balance in their account. Dated from last year but the debt collector wasn't called until the summer and this woman was in the middle of answer, your mortgage and really couldn't afford to have you know her credit score impacted or that fall through because of some debt and more stories, she tried to sell some stuff on craigslist stamp artist had sent her a bogus check and asked her. To send some of the extra money that he had padded there to a mover to move some furniture and you know the check was bogus the money that she sent on. Ben Mo- disappeared and she can get back. davimos competitors do the same thing. So my reporting indicates that this distinctive ammo So ben most biggest competitor is called cash APP owned by square similar functionality. You can send money with just to your smartphone or an email address, and they told me that for users that have a negative balance, they do not threaten to report them to collectors or report them to debt collectors under any circumstance. Now, what happens when a customer tries to contact than mode to get to the bottom of things? So it's a lot more frustrating now. Than it might have been, you know your because Ben Mo-, pretty much shut down its general purpose customer service center. If you call their one, eight, five, five number, you get a message saying that because of the covid nineteen pandemic they're not offering live phone support at this time. Now spokesperson said that they do offer phone support for some use cases but A. Lot of times it's just an email or a live chat with an agent and they're told you know this could be six to eight days before we get back to you and meanwhile as I as I said, you kind of have this one, two, three day window to cancel payment before it your bank account. So what good does it do if six days after? That you know you talk to human for the first time the again via email, and if you have a question that might take more time. So a lot of customers rave frustrated by that you know especially comparing it to experience had with their bank student loan provider who automatically offered relieve forbearance during the pandemic and near you have been Mo- kind of not doing. That same thing and I should also add jr that Ben. Mo- tried to position itself throughout this as kind of a compassionate almost public service during the pandemic. Hey, why don't you use it to tip your favorite bartender who's not working right now because the bar shutdown or why don't you tip this musician that you know you love because you can't go to their concert Because, they're not having concerts anymore and I think this kind of shows that while publicly, they're doing this berry compassionate almost charitable thing on a behind the scenes to users who are in difficult positions and really need the help them now isn't really providing it. Now, what has been will say about all this do they make any effort to try to track down the scammer? So then Mo says it takes a lot of effort to keep bad actors off its platform in the first place that combines digital tools with people that look for suspicious transactions and try to keep them off before they even get to the the victim in the first place. The problem is there on the platform. It's a lot harder to kick them off the. Platform and people do get through those screens because of that Ben, nimmo builds in these protections to themselves in their terms conditions saying that if you owe us, we might come after you. It does say that it relax some of those during the pandemic right. So if you told them Oh that you had an economic hardship because of the pandemic, they said they would stop. Calling you for thirty days over negative balances. If you for instance, direct deposit your stimulus check in the van Mo and had a negative balance. They said we're not gonNA Kinda garnish that to make good on your debt, but really the service is not designed for the uses people use it for right. It's mainly designed to pay people you know friends and family I'm so. That if something goes wrong, you can get your money back. It's not designed even though people use it all the time to pay strangers of the Internet it's not designed for commercial purposes where you're buying goods and services although they're slowly trying to change that and build a more protections to really would says, is kind of buyer beware you know this is not what it's. Designed for, and if you use it that way, it's a violation of our terms and conditions. Okay. What looks like? Ben, Mo looks at these scenarios on a case by case basis. Yes. they did say that if you report to them having some sort of economic hardship because of the pandemic, they might stop calling you for thirty days on collections a with stimulus checks. That's kind of a one off. That's a particular They know that money's coming. So they're not GONNA be too upset about too aggressive in collecting debt the you say they oh, because you're valuable customer but beyond that, they don't do much to ascertain your financial situation. They're not pulling your credit report. They're not doing a credit check they're not asking for any proof that. You lost your job or anything. It's kind of limited in the diligence they're going to do on your particular situation. Is this problem happening more often in the pandemic? You know what I mean by that is we've all been living in a digital world for some time, but the pandemic has pushed so much business online, right? It's hard to say if the rates of scams. Is Increasing but definitely an absolute numbers that's increasing as you say, some of it is just more e commerce is happening more people are living their digital lives are transacting digitally rather than in person. So you'd expect just an absolute dollars cases those to go up, but we don't really know is is this fraud a greater percentage of transactions people are happening now versus before? Just sometimes have to give up you know right off these debts. Sure, and that is an expectation of the company. Ben Mo- doesn't tell us how many users have negative balances and how much they owe. But Ben is part of paypal and pay PAL reports for the entire company that as of the end of the second quarter. There was two hundred, twenty, one million dollars in unpaid negative balances that they didn't expect to be repaid and they write that off typically after one hundred, twenty days aren't that's Wall Street Journal reporter Peter Ruediger Peter. Thanks for coming on the show next year, and that's your money briefing. Im Jr Waylon for the Wall Street Journal.

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MM153 Pt. 2: The 4 Streets of Potomac (w/ Lily of ShesStartin)

Mocha Minutes

1:45:07 hr | 2 weeks ago

MM153 Pt. 2: The 4 Streets of Potomac (w/ Lily of ShesStartin)

"I'm like i'm so glad. I'm like karen looked. She looks amazing. What's her glam was also lovely. I think she's a grand and she was like yeah. This gave me that title my. They didn't care who you did that. And they're like mandalay tagline. We couldn't be treated. This game of thrones in every check kingdom has their own coley seeing in king and queen and everybody you know. Hey you could be queen in the north potomac and then cherise can be queen of the south so i mean how do you do whatever you wanna do okay. Fine but man. No one didn't make this up to you can you. You're the self grand grandmom and that's fine. I was like i think next season. I think karen wendy might actually be able to get a place of being friend lee. I don't know about friends but friend lee. I'd see wendy as a person who is malleable in terms of like if you wrong her in. It's not like totally outrageous. That she is open to working on is leased to the crucifixion. I received on. The door is not closed for her. I don't think so so. Another daughter closes wendy versus ashley. Now i thought they were fine until reunion like they made up at the fishing on the fishing bureau and os lurk. I mean not be remembering that. I don't remember anything else coming up. During the season their doors close. I think they can work towards it but when they were going back and forth on reunion when when in ashley said it's like your your you're your words are so divisive because it's like you throw your your education and people's faces and i'm like timeout timeout timeout. Because you had no problem throwing the fact that you were married and robin and cherise 's face you had no problem coming after you. Medicine like my husband's the millionaire. I don't need this. You have no problem michigan at your husband's a millionaire or that you're married but the minute wendy's like please don't let this face for you. Baby i m not stupid. I'm not less than you. I have four degrees. And so i i don't she didn't need for three harass 'cause she's like i'm that's duct to wendy to you and like she's like what do you mean people like you. She meant exactly what she said. People like you like i enjoy the. I enjoy the acedemic shade. When ashley was like. You're burning up. Your education is so divisive and wendy came back with well. It's divisive and she was like kind of living what ashley was saying. Which is like if you're using your education as a way to light elevate yourself i did not like what she did when she was speaking with karen and she said I have four degrees. You have no degrees like this. I don't like that stuff like you. And karen came back with a really good response. Which is i think it was wonderful. Inappropriate and i am sick of hearing her degrees. I do understand that. She feels like she always needs to defend them as a black woman with with these accolades and that she's very sensitive about these accomplishments given her background in the pressure that she received to get them and the pregnancy and that she was getting I believe she got married and had two children during the education portion of received their mysterious whilst her dad died that was that was one of the things that she is mentioned to lake. It's almost like her. Education is like a is like a ptsd trigger and if you like say or look at her education be wrong way or like breeze the wrong way in regards to her education it becomes a hot button and i think that she don't know how much of a blind spot that is for her but she can't she can't be on the show and constantly be bringing up her degrees in defending them. I'm using air quotes around defending them. Because if it's gonna be a broken record for her and it did. I'm kinda glad that the grease in her up boxes this genius by the way life should be even though she's very like on the show about it but in person she was like this is so funny. She's able she's like i realized. I probably sound like this. And it's like i. I don't know what about dr wendy i love. I love dr welby. I'm like over in a thing but the thing with the four degrees. I'm like i think it's interesting that we watched these shows. People throw in like their lifestyle their clothing the labels they wear their homes about today have a husband they don't and then that's fine as the name of the housewives game. Wendy brings up her degrees like okay. You need to shut the fuck up about joe degrees will give a shit. Don't care about you but you bring that up. You love brigade white. People are jealous of your life. So i see both sides because i'm like curfew. 'cause i think i would have been like raymond girl all right. You got four degrees. We know boo but on other hand. I'm like she busted her. I asked for those degrees. Like 'cause 'cause actually you don't mind throwing in your in somebody's face This is not your house. This show mama's house you don't mind throwing in katie's face that you need to fix the holy your heart instead of putting everything in whole between your legs or something she said to katie getting robin an thrown in the face like they only got like seven dollars in savings account like ooh fuck said that on camera or fan. I saw one and he's cheating on robert. You making your business. You throw shit people's faces about your life with michael you throw it in our that just la quote unquote ain't got no man. And ideally you just jealous for ashley to sit there and go how you divide you. Put me down. Because i don't have degrees. You put women down because they don't handle husband shut the hell up. I know talking. I need that to end where it was like. That is not a dick stops like. Oh you know man. I'm like i do. Not a girl is like the thing about giselle. Having a carousel of different men were having no one sitting behind our happens with kenya. Mike it's it's just like I don't mean to deflect. Blake like actually saying that to me like i'm i would probably respond with. I'm okay with being alone. Because i would occur. What four degrees then curl up with. Michael darby girl. Don't do the math. It seems like i'm talking to me. You're married to michael darby. You can shut the hell up. Nobody was ranked. No everybody wants to pet in you. They don't wanna eat it girl. We not eat kangaroo meat. the fuck is girl. I beg steakhouse. Don't even do this shit because most of that stuff. They don't eat in australia. Did you ever see that breastfeed Video where people from australia. Eight outback steakhouse. And they're like what the fuck is this is this. What are they doing what is that. I can't imagine that's very fed. Vaguely literally were dislike. What is all of this first of all. This isn't that how cook it first of all we'll have this australia. We don't eat it this way. I'm like oh boy. You don't have gluten in australia. S not a thing of wine. Do i do think it's deflecting when we were like when when women savings like what. I'd rather be allowed to have your man like that's deflection. Like should look more like why. Why is my ability to bring a man to the reunion of interest to you one of the like making you like better because like doesn't me out this doesn't lower me on the scale of like it really better or worse human doesn't like it really shouldn't be about anybody in their husbands. Be like i don't i. I need to like. Monique was pulling that the whole time to see their flight. I'm like i know what he's sitting behind you today like it happened with kanye like i hate it. I hate it. And i don't you can say one hundred bright funny awesome things to defend your point but as soon as you go after the fact that somebody doesn't have a man standing behind them at the reunion. I'm just like you dumped. Ruined it for me now. Runs like you're still putting your value as a woman in the fact that you have a partner and i'm like and that's wendy has a partner. She is never brought up. Like i have this great house. And i got to three kids. And i ain't gotta worry about my husband dip in his wick and having videos of him in a hotel with a sex worker. But you don't see her doing that. She only talks about herself. Which is why i have. It's like i see sides of that. I'm like i get it. It's a little annoying but notice him. Come off the. Nobody's only she'll never bring eddie into this. Which is why. I give her a little bit more points. You'll never bring up the fact that my husband is finest fuck and he fucks me good and we got this beautiful children. And i don't have to worry about me if i leave. Town will be in the hotel with the sex worker. I ain't gotta worry about that. Now what else is going on. See this is an atlanta. Somebody would have said that to her by now like ashley can go to atlanta. Kansas can go monique. maybe but kansas fit in well with that group because they would just be shady and funniest l. Yeah no data may actually cried this point. They would like to tell you something you. You don't want me to say nothing you girl. They're like actually shut the hell of your life a self drag next question. Mike goodness if you put canvas and kanye if they were beefing i it would be. Those reeds would be legendary. Have to like watch it in slow i would want like absorb everything. Yeah i would be gasping. I'm like i don't have no air in my lungs left from. Jasper think that wendy needs to let go of whatever drama. Everybody has the jokes about it. I think she might cool it for next season. She lord let it go to moscow. Lit the mail house thou- about next season. I'm quiet we get it. You know you got four degrees unless you get in the fifth degree police now. No please don't do this. Please please stay at ford. The the numbers for that's the number for no don't go for fifth grade we don't need. We don't need the fifth element we do not. He's like no no need to get any more. Infinity stone sandals. Now leave us alone so snap you off. Show girl leave us alone. Dan kanter for you chat to house. Shut out the candy by the discussion. Yeah i we go back to that for you. I didn't think it's going to happen on the reunion because anyone you didn't think he was going to go there either okay. I'm glad we live on the same page now. I liked the viewer question. The people who were responding who were like to know it's not a color resum issue. I was surprised and also not surprised then. Monique was like no. It's not because your color is evaluating the behavior. That's interesting coming from you. And i'm like so there's a lot of people who've been following her on twitter if y'all ain't no. Monique did like liked or talked about anti vaccine. Apparently there's a documentary that she like between and say yasser really wash this this little good points she. She re tweeted somebody talking about. Don't vote because that's how the government tracks you. She does cunanan. she's likes him. Cunanan shit so i wasn't surprised in wasn't suppressed and i'm like how very interesting like up. Of course i really appreciate it. Robin saying that. Yeah i make it my business not to use aggressive when i talk about a darker skinned woman. I don't think it's right. And so when giselle said i've been called aggressive and i was like. Yeah but you're typically not called that because when we think about it and we talk about aggressive darker skinned black woman. You are already seen as more aggressive if you were heavier. Darker skinned black woman. You are seeing as aggressive and unfriendly. never assertive. Never confident always aggressive. And it's just like yeah if you're a liar skinned black woman. You're seen as more feminine. Something we need to take care of someone. We need to protect hanwha wire by has all this amnesia about the vile shit. That ashley has done but schaller like y'all won't let any sleeping dogs lie when it comes to kansas so whenever it says she got the most reckless mouth on the cast. I'm like i know y'all fucking line to me. I know y'all alliance me act like i totally forgot that. Yeah because off. Scientists like ashley has babying that her. I'm like one before the asshole. Now asshole with the baby and a baby on the way. Please leave me alone. Pleading also got it extremely passive and good at this year The i'm assuming that that's probably has some interesting theories about pregnant women and women with children new children so about made sense to me if she was spewing the vile shit that she had in the past they probably just didn't include I also think that she's to her. Priorities are probably fully different. This with a child like she doesn't really have time to be like digging around. And you and robin's relationship. Because she did that. Wartime i think robin would literally beat her. S like why she like. You lucky hammers here. 'cause i'm ready to be harassed i'm like you would be my ass. You should we rewind the tape as to. Why should we tell you. Don't maybe you didn't wash that season you lifted but you didn't watch their season you you've been doing it for three or four seasons you came after robin and it was like i don't know where the breaking point was of yama stop. I believe you alone. I think it was her saying you know after i had the baby. I realized i did this. This that that that that I probably did so much like. Oh you an apology. It was very interesting. The same person who said that the robin win win. Kansas had her piffling. She's like oh now you care wait a minute you did Robin irabu okay. You're like i mean. I'm thinking like also gives like monique would have understood the color resume. Discussion is she had hit ashley. If she had hit karen you would've saw lion more people going off. She is dangerous. She has an anger problems. She needs to go. You understood the color discussion. That wendy was trying to have she does this. She's orator she knows how to talk. And there's like ma'am she. She knows what it's like to be the only black person in the room and have to represent all black people even though. That's not what you're supposed to do. I can't black. People are not a monolith. I can't rubs in all black people but some people don't understand that it's like i can't grow. I can only speak for wendy. I cannot speak for all Nigerian-born women i cannot speak for all black. I just can't do that so when you call a darker skinned woman. Aggressive is like gas so as you said you gave license for people in my mentions for people to dm me and say yes right because that's how you black women are. Y'all are aggressive. The reason why people aren't doing that too much with monica's because of who she hit which was candidates they're the same skin tone. That's why nobody was really coming after her. It's like i'm not surprised about Stance on the color ism. It's because of this. Cunanan facts the anti van because despite her skin color she's of this sect of people who are mostly white who say things akin to. Why do you always have to bring race into it. She doesn't even realized her own. Holler ism in kind of self hatred there So i i don't like to like diagnosed her soon. Like people's political parties or whatever but like it feels like she wants. She is part of wants to be part of this group. That often used the rhetoric of whitey always have to bring racing to it and the answer is because race is always a part of it you got. It's always it's always there. So that's the ants. And i fully economic surprise whatsoever that she is in. Didn't it just. It doesn't what her because she surrounds herself. Likely with people who say things like why you gotta brand brayson tour as part of this. I'm like i'm sorry. I can't tell my blackness i can't do it and it's like money i'm like okay so i'm glad it seemed like i'm glad the conversation was happening. Actually she didn't know what the fuck was going on. Because i think she lives in a land of privilege and also she has called robin just. She said they came in aggressive. She didn't call them aggressive. Robin literally put her finger in her face and she didn't call her ferocious. And i'm like robert s in your restaurant and you didn't even think to call her ferocious to her face. But you did it to wendy in. It's like we're actually didn't want to be called like the to be call. Colorist is like we're not saying you're doing it's not like a conscious thing is unconscious bias for you. What they're doing is just pointing this out. Because i was like. I thought i was. I'm like okay. So i feel like this is going to be very interesting because i mean you can't tell me that color is not affected as to why everybody's like having amnesia to what ashley has done for the last five seasons s i mentioned earlier era. I completely guilty of that. And i have to factor in it perhaps color ism is a part of that you. I am not the same colors. Ashley but i imagine her privilege. Her white privilege is not as much as mine as i am. Obviously white woman. A green is straight ish hair like i experienced life much differently than her and i think that it would have. You would behoove turn to listen to people who are not her caller when the basically like the may not be your experience as a woman who is black but it is our experience as women who are black that Using these terms make life harder for us when you use it on a television and on your platform Like a. I liked that. She came back with a video. I don't think that encompassed what it needed to fully after that conversely since she did a little like either was a live for a story or something actually did but i will get it. Wendy was saying it but it's like you wanna do it. you know. i don't like when we do it. I'm like shut. The hell up was like. I appreciate you doing this. Because i feel like Social media ashley. At least i. G story ashley instagram. Ashley is a lot better than on the show ashley because she seems a lot more fun and a lot more level also sizes of ashley her wrecked so it's not our press needed like is a fifteen second video in these story so like yeah forty five sentences what i got. I got forty five seconds for you baby. I just wish that There was just a little more self awareness when also just ties into the shit. That really had to deal with bike with the fights that you're getting into. The follower is about to cute ten candidates and team. Monique lake. we've got these white mommy bloggers. Who are telling you. And obi theriault am like that. They're you're wrong like it's just like actually is not white but she experienced the privileges of people who are not the same color were different color than her. And there's just this idea of like we people who are of a light skin tone regardless of race just have to be open to the idea that people who are not that skin tone see things. There isn't see things in live things differently. There is nuance and it disappoints me. It disappointed me ashes. Response it disappoints me with folks who are like self proclaimed woke that follow us that if you have if you have three of like beloved people of the bravo san community who are the laugh and the in the bravo fan community telling you that. This shifts nuanced. You might need to look at it in a different way. Like bonding in like with the vitriol. Y'all received and i also is on the sideline of was super gross to me. It was like i. i can't do this girl. Are you telling me what it's like to be black in maryland or you. You're telling me. Let me tell you about the plight of black people but let me tell you. Nah not give platform to other black people So very parallel to that like it's just very disappointing when it. I don't know how many black people are in the the bravo fan entity. But i know it's been ultimately. The numbers vary low. And if you have three people who are like You know on top of that community. Like there's there's five six of you that i can think of that like that kind of like run. This thing like three of them are telling you like you got to look at it differently. Royally there's nuance to this pride. I promise but. I don't count myself as the bravo This is not a podcast but it definitely. You're right. I'm like i give. You are absolutely thank. You wouldn't welcome packet going again and from cheese asti shop. Where wrong chain. Like i think the late blah blah blah black community. Like i think like you and sasha and obi theresa and hundred and like there's more of but like there's three of you that were like telling somebody like please look at this differently and they just weren't having it every minute. I was a kid. She got what she deserved. And i'm like yeah. It's just the fact came. This comes up to me when we talk about the color of thing People who are black but they're of lighter skin and just not getting it and telling them they're wrong and y'all don't understand this. I'm like y'all or saying like oh and i'm saying hashtag y'all the hashtag y'all where y'all is saying that oh my god no. We're judging it correct. I'm like you know what and no one has dispelled my theory on. This is like you're just trying to deflect i'm like i'm giving you a little bit of nuance. None of y'all will be team. Monique if she had hit karen huger. Or if she had hit ashley darby you'll be like oh she had to come in. Maybe she bled. Provin robin i think the thing about it is is large fell right. They'd be like team on me because it's like zell been doing this. This isn't third. i'm like okay. We're gonna reinvent history and that's fine. I like if she hit anybody else for candidates. Because he's so angry. Candidates for the shit's she's done in the past And nobody wants to see the nuance. I honestly i keep what reactionary is if you come out as quote unquote so reckless. Why do you keep starting with her. She's buried words than you. I'm sorry she's she's in that little shade assassins. She's she's in that little group. It seems like a very tight knit group of people who are good at reading night. I have my moments. Just i'm better at this than you. You might want to like sit. Classes and sessions. Sit right in the front so you can learn. It was like i was like y'all need to stop. So i think that like also if candace mouth which can be a disaster like. She's very well-spoken but she long island she is she. She doesn't really do any sort of regulation But my point is is really like moaning mentioned that like this movement like under her chin was what triggered her. And my my thought is is if somebody's mouth. This most is the only thing separating you from what like of contentment and complete blind rage than you have worked to. Do you have a problem right. You have a problem. I wish there was a nieta told her. You don't get to put your hands on people like you have to stop putting your hands on people and of course it didn't receive and when she said it she was actually mad at her for saying that she's talking you people was it on camera right. I well and it's like people don't like grown-ups don't like grown-ups telling me what to do like we don't. You're not gonna talk to me. Like i'm a child i'm like don't do. This is good advice like yeah. Don't put your hands on people on camera which is why robin beat is why rented maranda robinson beat up. I don't wanna call miranda robin. Didn't beat up ashley. Oz breaks off a monuc rag because robin has the latest row. Yes like The steps between the steps between like being pissed off in blind rage space. They're big much bigger because like you have currently could see any other steps you take before you beat some a right relationship. Be the last resort in away from me. She's like she provoked me. She like had santa my phase. He did say. Get your hands on my face. Get two hands out of my face. Rich hands on. She did say that that a kid who's like your hands are in my face which they were. Y'all both as well flying this whole table between y'all two it was like lamm. You did have your hand. Y'all had his hands y'all arguing so when candidates said i wasn't mad i was making fun of it. It's like girl. I am look. I can't even get angry at this anymore. It's funny at this point. We can't even be in the same room without you. Picking a fight with me. You know meek. In like as a instance of them arguing mo- has walked away from you even like how she said argue with yourself. I'm not arguing with you. I gotta go. I'm just to do if somebody if i was canvas in someone was like gives your hands out of my face Tipsy enough. i probably am. I if i were about to push candidates issues like. I'm not put you that. That you deal with kitty thing in. Don't pajama face to face and she was like she was like weren't in the mike girl. And you initiated contact i. Now i'm probably in a court of law. Flicking hair is not what they consider. It depends every state and how they recognized. Assault and battery are different. I don't think in maryland that flicking someone's hair is considered first point of contact. It should be but apparently it's not 'cause and also i hate to break to everybody Maryland course are not going to slow housewives footage the way that we do. They don't care this is another. There's another reality star. Fight they play. They probably played at regular speed. And if you played a regular speed a you don't include her flicking her hair three or four times and her flicking. And i'm glad karen said she didn't say pulling on monica she said i saw you flick her jacket. So that led to the thing. That ashley that candidates said i flicked her jacket so she wasn't lying when she said that because karen saw it too so regla time and you're not counting those a you discounting win like y'all collided in looks like at the same time. Y'all were fighting. If y'all are not including the hair in the flicking. And i have a feeling they don't count it. I know i'm not monique. But if i were like getting fire getting escalated or activated as lindsay hubbard. What say someone some mice. I'm sorry and i'm like. I don't know why like her just do. I don't know bravo for me watching summer house. I'm like damn pandemic here and that i've read all four seasons in like. Wow you're ready. So if i go me but i'm not so. I realized that difference. If some if i was already activated and then somebody saying you want me a drag drag drag me and then like my best i at that point would have been like. Oh shit this is real. I gotta step right away. 'cause you say you're gonna drag me now you want to. Do you want me to you. want me to. She's like drag me. It's like a 'cause. I think really because monique is somebody who's like i'm above doing this. Ghetto mess. I would never do that. She didn't think she actually would grab her hair in polar down so i really believed that she was in total fight or flight at that point. 'cause i do believe monique when she said i thought i thought candace pushed me so i will give her then. I can understand that because y'all were touching each other so it's more than likely you thought that was her. So also if someone's flicking my hair. And i pushed him away because i don't want them touching me. I'm well within my rights and do that. So even if she didn't think that was canvas She should have taken that as a sign that like she's encroaching on makes way was trying to get their to separate them and she didn't move quick enough because she probably didn't think this was going to happen care but also this isn't the same with the umbrella with the umbrella that the umbrella literally was the only thing that separated monique and through physically. Move them because there was no space. There's a table between candidates. The monique so that's probably why a lot of people weren't thinking and also they didn't have any security there that's you know. Potomac is not known forgetting violent or rowdy. 'cause they typically don't have security well they do. Now has day right away. At karen. Karen has security to it was just like why would why would you have this in your home. If you've got to have security like having in the public place where you damn sure will make sure that you have security. So it's like now. Nail jersey has a lot of security now. Atlanta has security but they need security writers like suzy was the third or fourth season when ahead like the brawl at the f. Chrissy this is a christening for a baby. Y'all fighting like y'all crazy now. They have security all the time but he's girl is like the parts of the first person to introduce. I gotta have security was danielle when she went to go. Meet up caroline. It's like why do you care. Manzo is such a such a like tough purse or cheese extremely tough her words in her attic touch. Anybody would even think to you. Because when i gave my mother the Example of ni ni and candy sitting next to each other yelling at each other pointing at each other and no warning bell in my head went off like they're going to get physical these other and they wouldn't and they didn't because they know because they know is like. Hey i fight with my words. And that's it so it's like girl y'all won't Gets physics physicality in the closet. That's the only thing. I've seen out of her hurt and tim sweetie okay hell. He's like whoa. whoa. I'm sorry. I like hit me. I'm like excuse. Me sh- ray already shifted you wig honey. So oh yes. We had a wig shift in the past. We did i want. I was just shifting. It cherie will trying to take wig off her head. Don't do this. Can you imagine if it hurts was at the time we didn't really. She must really uninterested in sangos. were wigs. that would have been right graphic. I had really nice hair. I'm like why are you acting like i've never been of the mind. Like people will have terrible hair. I'm like no. They're just like i don't like doing my hair. There's a difference between not having good hair and like not having nice hair or good hair or hair or a period of. Yeah my hair all damn day. I am bored. I want a different color or you want to be. I like make this dis permanent. Let me see how this wig looks on my head before. I die my hair and then got bleach it and do all this to get the colored. I think that if you have the money to then please do. I'm like oh excuse me. I'm you know how to put a wig on. The way was like claims me. I want candidates. We glue. And i want one of karen six hundred dollar weeks. My wig was looks like karen did about that. Oh why is your melting. It's so hot here like say what maybe wigley. I think that the on the way it would have been held with the sunglasses and the same way it would. I oughta where ways like. Here's what is going on with these. That was also one of the best things i've ever seen. He is one of the best moments though. She had everyone at the table laughing hysterically. That was wonderful. It's a glues melt. And i'm like i i told you this. I don't know anything about wigs or wake glue. How did candice's week stay on. She did say last night she was hosting. It didn't look like it had shifted or just bring also because he was a tornado also so that may have been the reason why it stayed. But it's like it could have like. She had a wig on. And i forgot a half. So i'm like. I understand what she saying is like she know. Her glue is good but she also she's somebody who has one hand and then with the other hand start holding her down so after serving the most of the forest was the pounding of the head and it was just laying only didn't have a concussion because she had a wiggling. I feel like if she didn't have one and she that girl in head. It's like yeah. I feel like she would got a concussion if she was wearing not wearing any additional hair on her head and or a hat. Thank you for doing the labor of explaining that. Because i just don't understand i was just like that thing is fully intact to okay so I have some notes about like the reaction of people having to kansas. Not feeling still feeling like okay. I have some notes about that. But i don't want to. I know that you probably haven't an outline that you want to have all those you know. I want to bring it up when we get to. When we we're about to get the first part. I wanna talk about because this came up in the second part is monique and accountability. So if everybody who doesn't understand the timeline of this. She assaulted candice on october sixteenth. Twenty nineteen this was after her live. Show her live. Show was october twelve. The one that they showed on the show was her one from november. Because the one that Kansas was the one that karen was at now. Is the one in october. One in november is the one that if you guys saw really closely you saw money ashley was there and also my friend. Sarah frazier. 'cause she was on the stage with her because she was one of the she was on the panel at the live. Show i so. I did see mani. Yeah i was like. He was literally sipping tea. I loved it. I was like behind girl. Okay okay what they talk about. I was like the nail. I'll know secure. I'm just. I don't know so then you talked about the Pressing of the charges. That was like an maybe mid november and then by december the case was dropped. They just like dismissed charges because quite frankly they don't give a good goddamn about reality stars fighting so from december twenty nineteen to now when they shot the reunion in either late to some mate. November early december. Mo- has not had any contact with canvas. She has not reached out to candice. She has not talked kansas. She is not related. Any messages through anybody else on the cast with candace. She has not done any of that. The literally the time they get the reunion that was the first time they had been in the same room and or ever talk to each other so for over a year. Kansas has been literally guest lit about this assault. Because one not only happen in october a day or so later broke that they were the ones in the fight and also the story was that candidates had started that fight that she threw a drink. Monique and that's what started the fight. And then you see her. Press charges and that. She said she was doing it reluctantly. Everyone's like she didn't have to press charges like so. It didn't click. When she first said it clicks now from me so if the story has been from the gate that she started that fight her pressing charges. Me is a way of letting people know the one who started this physical fight when she say reluctantly is not just about because monique didn't say like reach out to her and apologize is because the lies about how this fight started one. The report is out there. But she didn't but people didn't care because they don't like hands so it was kinda like you go if y'all had linked candidates or even just liked her a little bit. Y'all have listened to her and y'all didn't and then the case was dropped in december. And now we're in month twelve of twenty twenty and she had talked to her so when monique said well my lawyer. I couldn't talk to her. When this case was in court the case was settled at the end of two thousand nineteen who could have reached out to her after that. You did not your own therapist. Said you should write her lover. She's like. I don't think that i don't know if she said i don't wanna do that or is not appropriate. And i'm like. Oh that's how i process. I processed by writing songs song so st wrote a diss track of and that's supposed to. I loved how andy handled out he was like. I think you've got bad advice right. Then we get like 'cause like i'm pretty sure your Your therapist didn't say hey right her writing a letter telling her how how how much you decided to stay home much are fucking like you how much i'm gonna drag you when you asked me to. And how much you came to slay. I'm pretty sure that the therapist didn't ask her to that. I also liked Because it's obvious that andy is does not paying attention and i like the he was like wait. You're recording artists. Like by the time they have recorded this this reunion we all knew especially in the community. Which andy is part of that song had come out right So he was like wait. What you like. She did mentioned the song on her many appearances. A watch what happens. Live and my making that up. I could've swore she mentioned that song. Don't remember that but he'll she doesn't live under a rock. He true that straight rotten's bravo flick. He's part of the community and he is it literally his job to keep up with what these women are doing or at least i thought it was. Maybe it isn't but he's like wait recording studio. What like andy andrew. Rather what we call him. Andrew we have notes andrew the sap this andrew. Are you acting like. you don't know this you don't he said are you recording. It was like see doesn't thing can't see that's the thing mooney. You didn't say you were actively recording. What you said is. I used to do rap music you. If you're creative outlet is to write songs write a song like don't don't ford it her. It was like you think i'm stupid. Which is why when she gave her apology. Our it wasn't a bad apology. But like ma'am you have had a literally a year to talk to her. You could have like reached out to her. She was like yeah. I try to do mediation but her lawyer said no. I'm like well. The lawyers weren't involved for a whole year. It was like when did your lawyers say you should. I wanted to do a mediation. I'm like the case thrown out. There's no point of doing mediation here. It is why don't you call them. You girl kern. Y'all she's the she's the middle person ahe you could've colorado said i want us to sit down this out like y'all need to work this out because i feel like even if she had made reached out to her before after filming rat even though there's probably would bring up more emotions is like because of course that's what happens every time people make in the offseason then when they come out there like debut and it tears open the moon. So that part. I because i think that's what happened with cynthia. Cynthia did that a lot. She was just like. I didn't notice what she said. And it just hurts all over again but to watch. Monique do this thing where you are acting like. You didn't know that you were liking tweets about her giving beat up and people saying she deserved it. You're getting right to show. You're acting like all. The blogs weren't geared toward candidates was the aggressor she started despite in. It's all her fault when it's and then when the season was rolling people like wait a minute. You said she drinking you. And that's what happened to like. You literally grabbed her and pulled her to the table. Surprised that she like she cut me. I mean i could have got. Oh sorry if this was stephanie. You would've been stabbed that entire desk. I'm sorry i want to try to kill you. I'm like the fuck off me because one. This is how you know. Kansas didn't wanna fight when they were separated candidate. Go after mony. She didn't is like home if you she really wanted to fight she had win around the table and got your fucking face and also when you separated they would have had to hold her back like let me the fuck oh beating bitches s sgt if you wanna talk about hood rules. Y'all the person that got beat up they want to. I watch love hip hop baby. That's not how would win. They would have had the bring literally people that were sitting down drinking their wine and cheese and eating grapes to how to help you. All keep this thing from not turning into The thrilla in manila is a no no that that wouldn't have happened to watch. Monique kind of just be so detached. And i'm not trying to tell her how to feel but you're at the reunion to talk about this. You're like no. This is in the past. And i'll have to talk about this baby. We at the reunion talk about it. Talk about it. What are you doing when she was just like. I mean i process my feelings for you. Which won't you do cry on command. I can't do she say crime command. Y'all but that's literally how you got in your whole call and cried about your bird flying away while you have feelings baby you are. Not that is sand lake. You were very upset. So why was she was acting like unto taipei. And i don't know and i'm like bird unlinked. I have all the earth science. He here and footloose so my taipei ask yesterday. So you know an i cry. I cry all the time. So don't tell me as taipei person you don't cry. I was like nuts girl. Don't do the head. So i think i could candice sink into very well. Said why she can't accept the apology because it has been three hundred. Sixty five days Entire song she has perpetuated. That canvas was also violent. This is beyond the written statement for the court If she was going through all this therapy Three hundred sixty five days to get to where she needed to to apologize. I hear that. I also feel that. Like Monique knows herself while enough. Sheep and i guess this earlier on earlier in our Discussion here which is like she probably knew that when she when she came out of fighter flight and she calmed down that she felt remorseful. And i know this. Because she was crying tenor pastor so the two sentences three sentences that she said at the reunion could have been done during filming if she needed to be on camera and it could a lot fricken greece right. She did a russia and j zoom call after the reunion was done and they talked. I feel like you could have done that. You can zoom it. in honey. Brahma would have loved that name and it's the same. I i feel like a rule lot further if she had said this is long overdue. And i should've said this to you months ago. I feel like that would have went a lot longer than i see. You have inhaled from it. I'm sorry about your pain. You did not contribute to this fiscal fit. You did not deserve that. She knew that already. She has literally been saying that for over a year that i did not deserve what happened to me. And then you not only have moaning not telling people that she didn't deserve it but thousands if not close to a million or millions of people because a lot of people watch these shows that have been saying either tagging her in it or just mentioning her name in any form of social media saying that she deserves this so not only. Did you never put out a statement to correct this. You let la perpetuate because it late inlet. You'd feel good. And i'm watching. Someone who literally has like i didn't understand it i. What was the deal with her. Why does it bother her so much zeldin like her. She didn't like y'all just don't get along. I'm like ins like they got off on the wrong foot. The happens with a lot of people. They should have been able to recover but when her pastor said she wasn't impressed with you. And that is your problem. there it is. She wasn't impressed with you. That's what made you mad about. Posselt calendar girl everything and you're like care surveys. Like everything meets and then was like going. I got damn house she. Let's you see this is like yes i do. I'm bored. it's interesting because it's really interesting to me. That life for someone who went off the way she did in so close to ring rate to being reactionary That how the logic this shoes attempting to employ to figure all this out she mention in the in the reunion like she was like i just have to figure out what made what what what had happened to make me snap like women which she'd won the you make you make a snap and like i all assignment in taipei but you can be type a. and watching someone cry over something that you did to them multiple times and you you sit in stone based and it's not affect you. I don't think i could sit there and see my crying about something. I did to them and not unlike you. You're not over. This and i was wrong to put my hands on you. I should have said this to you. See this thing. I'm gonna start my business to help people apologize. I'm tell you what to say. I will be there livia pope of bravo to help. Y'all get your shit like iman events. Zach here to fix your shit. I just like i need to help you. Because one i don't i don't think the i was on my because i think someone said you think she'll probably has like and she proved me wrong and i'm like i'm glad she did but most he really does realize that she don't have to accept your apology and that is okay too. She was like hey no. You can't do this now and on the show when you had her number. You know people around here. You could have reached out to anybody. Say i wanna. I want to make this right because i was wrong. But that's the thing you didn't think you were wrong. You thought you were refined to do so you like you can't say a one hand. She didn't do anything to deserve that in. Not saying you did some snake ship. It's like wait. what what what. Wait a minute either. She had nothing to do with it or she did or she did. You need to pick a toast to sit on. You need to pick one. Pick a seat which table you want to say that. Because i can't do this which you you're not gonna keep saying she didn't deserve it and then go. Well you kind of did because you will snake like you kinda did because you mouthy quote unquote you candidate because you provoke me. How does she provoke. You bet you started that fight chevron home okay. She provoked her but she should have the ability to self regulate so that somebody provoking her doesn't make her turn into a lunatic right and them up so the thing is when i think about to that fight. 'cause i was like sitting here like i watch this fight again because i'm like wait a minute. So win she started with inkling. I love you guys. See when karen said it. It didn't hit like oh she's trying to be nasty to me. 'cause cares was the first person to say. Oh about the one she goes. you love. it's because you've got some monitor him owning. Yes he loves when she got some liquor in her. And here comes. Ashley are who sits lake house. Ma'am stevie wonder could see that. They're not why would you do this. This is gotta be how you wanna do. This and candice said we are where we are. Monique said back there. And it was just like people. Don't wait a minute. That's not a good place to be. And she's a she's back there and was like you had a big friendship. No we didn't is a thought it was faked. I'm like wait a minute. What it's like then all of a sudden it's like they get heated but candice like i wasn't getting heat at this point is like i kept walking away from you is like i had a little wind me though and that's fine it's like i wasn't mad when i did it. It was just like. I'm just like let's just make Let's just make light of this when she said you. You're faking being asleep. And i can see why she thought that but as me. I'm someone who if i'm sleepy. If i'm tired i could be talking to you. Found that can be dead asleep. Only found one. I'm also hunt. If i don't want to talk to them in their room enough fall asleep with coach around it so i can. So this is the undersea. Both i was like. She's freaking out. And that's the thing i think when it comes to these like especially the thing about monique in kansas. A lot of people rejecting what what they would do. So that's probably why. I'm like i don't know she wasn't. I don't think she was faking that. But i could see why people would think she was like folks shares right as she was making a joke. It's like how dare you shade me. I'm like man you just said she's only being nice to you because she got liquor. Now what's really going on. It's like wait a minute. It's okay for you to do that. But they can't have this. Snappy shay that and karen have because there's a little more to that don't fully believe that candace was completely calm because it must have bought. Something bothered her enough for her to be like while you sleeping like clearly. Something beyond friendship was a facade. It's like oh it's like. Oh so we're not really friends so that wasn't me helping. You read a cease and desist about g g c. She'd be wrong. She brought this up camera also. That wasn't me helping. You get a season assists because your best friend. Tom people your business about how you fucking some trainer like me see. I know why she being. Monique is coal with having a false french ship on the show with candace zell having a false relationship with jamal on camera is not acceptable How about the. Why is that not okay. And why is that your business like we know why. Make up relationships for television. I don't believe first of all that every housewife every series in the franchise. They're all besties. i don't believe draft. There's a lot now. There's if if you're going to expose on camera that False friendship Okay then you're admitting their false false relationships on tv are okay. So get off sales jock if she's got if if your mom lives in the phone mall the phone. He lives at the phone next time he can live there. Like you know the indian in the cupboard. It's like okay. What was the problem. I've definitely the. I don't want to forget back to yourself but it just made me realize made me realize like if you're gonna stay like your friendship was fake on tv and bothers candidates. Say said that like why are you. Are you having false friendships. But it's not cool if someone has a fake relationship with their ex husband like it's all like it's all hypocrisy all hypocrisy crecy. See the lines so watch moaning egg like this but then candidate having to walk away and when i feel like i'm about muscle boxes if it bothers me in a way i can't that i've had trouble putting into words so there's two things here words so the first thing is i find it very interesting. That people are telling kansas to get over it. Hertog that you should just get over but should not adding into the fact that for over a year people have been telling her that a physical violence is okay. Because we don't like to sit that comes out of your mouth but y'all can't pinpoint any words that she said that required hands none of them. You're telling her house she should feel you're not taking in the fact that she had to go through litigation it got dismissed but she could press charges. I'm like god. I hate to break it to you. She had like there is statute of limitations. She could have done this in two years and she was still be within her rights because she has three years to do so. It's like man that's how it happens in maryland. She had three years to file charges so he didn't have to do it instantly and she didn't so why people say like. Why are you making this such a big deal. She got beat on camera. People doing youtube videos blog post articles people sliding our dm's tweeting her writing shit under her instagram. They apply saying shit on facebook. This is that is a lot that is like literally going you deserve physical violets. You deserve that and the person that hits you used to be your friend. You counted them as very close. You have been around there. They have been at your mama's birthday party. Y'all were friends. She helped you. She listened to you. She used the mouth that you'll say is so reckless and so terrible. She used that in defense of you too ashley. That is why she always got time and space for ashley's ass. She was like she got a mouth correction. She got her mouth for ashley. She got time for her. And it's like like this is not like why is this not okay. And she's never she's never gonna hit anybody she's like. No i know how to use my words and that is fine is like it's okay like she don't have mouth and nobody else except ashley. Every other night she got into a with cherise. Zell robin hell even monique. She has apologized to all of them without any prompting. She just apologized she worked out with. Cerise actually made it a point to tell zell. She made every effort to be french. As if she didn't know shrieks before she filmed the whole fucking season with sharif's therese was a friend but she was a lot of shit she was still on the show. Why you she a complete stranger. Why y'all doing this. Y'all tell it also second thing. Why are you telling her that. Physical violence is okay. Why are you telling somebody you mouth off to somebody. They had the right to put your hands their hands on you. If monique and i've been saying this was a man which i'll tell her that. Or would you say sir you are dead s wrong and you should have walked away and you should have had some more restraint. Why are we not saying that to monique what it was like if domestic violence is not a hetero thing so if they were in a relationship and moaning beat her has just. They'll be saying that no because we know that violence violence is the last resort. You are thirty seven fucking years old and you add like my dad. Put my finger on face old where you and also is you have to live. I would feel some sort of where you say it on national television you bullies me. And that's what. I heard people at thirty seven. I was eleven. Th girl get you some therapy gauge get vine s to a therapist expeditiously. You have a real problem and the bad part about his people were like. Oh gosh she had a hard childhood kansas. His mother is dorothy. Dorothea therapist is. She missed diagnosed her child as bi polar. And what i understood about ashley. I'm sorry kansas is that let me tell you something about somebody who has a mother that don't let them speak. That always talks down to them. You think she going to take any shit off of anybody. Fuck out my face. I was fuck you. Would you like dorothy. Lay yo ass out. Like i take shit from dorothy. Your name is dorothy. I take a shift from you right. Y'all think y'all are like why are you telling them that this is okay because this color ism comes in. Y'all ain't saying that shit to ashley what is your say. Robin was dead s. Wrong to come to a restaurant and get in her face not fuck she wasn't. I told you stop fucking talking about me. And she's like. I want to fuck you. Not y'all bring up that got them butter knife. I'm like excuse me if we're talking about hood rules you don't put your finger in. Nobody's face rule number two. I tell you get the fuck out my house. You get the fuck out period. Like i told you to get out. Why like y'all would not have flipped. Shit if i told you to get out this thing. Joe houses show mama's house. She shoulda punch the day right in her face bits. I said get the fuck out my house. That's the violence that wanna see. I'm not. I also don't understand who cares throughout the house girl. Sainthood bitch i am. I don't beat them bitches. As and get the fuck out of my house and not only that. She came right back in twice. We also need to stop with the butter. The butter knife was narrows yielded at pulled butter. Like what the fuck is this is the new black like she robbed it bowl like an answer. Go yeah thank you. We're flinging butter knives like i. I need to leave at butter knife in the past. Because i like to give it at any more moments that it's gotten like ma'am you do. Y'all go realize she was sitting. She's sitting at the head of the table. Ashley was sitting right next to her. She really wanted to stab. She literally had the arm length to do it. She was far to stab her all stabbing with a knife. You can stab voter. That's it i was like. Would you want to do is like ma'am i just want. Y'all doing yala literally telling her her feelings on not valid but on the same token saying. Oh my god i understand. Why mony did it. Because i'd be mad too so you are give see. This is why y'all are literally telling black women. Don't be strong don't show. You're like stop telling black women to be so strong you need to have emotions also. Y'all bitches feels that fucking crime. I really i the the the comments in the post about her crying I feel like her response to being beat up on national. Tv for doing her job and telling her how long data should affect her is just like not. It's not for us to judge. In like the coolest with the waterworks would to someone with trauma not only trauma with the fight but trauma about her. Her childhood is so unfeeling. And it's back and it's imposing your on experience on someone else and wack Super appropriate word for that could also bring up the fact that we were like you better shut up before she put your hands on you again. Let me tell ya something. Say that to kenya. Y'all have never said that kanye. Can you get tom. And a half for portions ass. She always got something to say she said at the season after. And doing this shit now. None of y'all telling her shut up before push put her hands on you again. I don't agree with the the the sentiment that if you don't be afraid of you afraid of her pool. I also don't agree with the sentiment that if you've got a mouth you might encounter the wrong person in the wrong person quotes for those against sales mom big end. You won't have control over their reaction the wrong person if their reaction is to beat me up for my mouth with the matter that is on them. I'm me that's the thing i feel like. That's adult one. Oh one you can control what comes out of someone's mouth you can control how you react to it. That is hey he can't control somebody else. Weird as so for people. Don't think i'm just picking on the black franchises. Lemme say this margie. Joseph reports some water on danya. She pushed her husband in the pool. Danielle turned around dumped her purse context in lit candle and then grabbed her ponytail and did a horse collar and pulled around at that reunion margaret dug in her s. Nobody told margaret to shut up before she grabs you again. Nobody so no one is one. I don't give a fuck. If she punched her seventeen times in the head. You put your hands on me and we. I will have time for you every time. i know. You're gonna bite harley one because i'm a light harass right on. Uh please touch me again. And i'm i'm gonna talk about you. I'm like you put hands on. Bets are off. no. I'd always have something for you. So why y'all sitting here like she should be afraid of monique for what nobody who has been in a physical altercation on bravo should be scared of the person that put their hands on them who fucked. Y'all thank. y'all absolutely not get out of your why you like. She should be afraid of her Why i mean maybe she is afraid of her but at the same time if mony put her hands on her again that just makes her even more awfully cost threshold. So let me give alan. Let me get myself together right. I haven't been waiting for her outside. I'm like okay so you wanna fight. Come on lift. Press the depress. The money would perceive a. She touched her again. Would be clearly. This woman needs help. And i feel like most of us are already there with lenox. She needs some. She needs some anger management. She needs therapy but like me and he said that to portray you have got to stop putting your hands. 'cause cain wasn't the only person she put her hands on on camera down the alley so that's why like she has she also stop putting your hands on people came for symphony on the right in the stomach and nobody said she shouldn't put her hands on her like well she did touch you. I know all right. No one is called cynthia violent. No one has said anything like cynthia like well. Cynthia defended herself given. That can't because you don't like her. That i don't care if you don't like her. She wasn't my favorite either. I think she's enjoyable. She's a disaster on twitter. I'm like paying attention to what she said she has see. That's the thing she's always. Reacts dare because even when they bring up this shit with her and ashley. I'm like you do realize actually started that. But she deleted the tweets. So you don't know that you don't know that so she said something about I don't know see wrote directly to chris. Because she started with chris. And then kansas like stop talking to my husband. You wanna fight. You can talk to me. And it's like it's like you like they're going back and forth because paul realize when she said that stuff actually was in labor. She's like. I was responding to her. So the question is why are you. Tweeting and fucking labor may wait a minute. Maybe the heated conversation put put her in the labor like which was like well. She was in labor. How would i know bit. I don't follow her and also. Why are you tweeting at me. While i'm you're in labor it's like it can't be don't we act. I'm like don't start nothing with me. Why are you starting with our. You're like her mouth and so reckless is a reckless. Because you don't have nothing back. She's a little too for y'all she. Her mouth is reckless in the difference between what she does in being a like polite human. I'm not saying she needs to water itself down but she does need to take some space between when she when something one stimulus convicts her feel way and when she decides to verbalize reaction. There needs to be space. There is because i mean my would like you can't control where people come at airplanes candidates to and it's like but her i'm like yes. She ain't the unicorn on bravo with a reckless mouth and so even the most reckless mouth potomac. So i'm like what like. She's in this other realm. Because you don't her. She's like i don kelly. A terrible person is a terrible person on twitter is the disaster. Y'all call her disaster. You call. I'm like looked at singing. Pick lers flickers twitter on us right. Oh sorry wait no. I don't i don't follow sixty stopped when i was like. Oh my gosh. She's a trumper. Oh my god that's grand opening. Grand closing on cigarette. Flicker i was like she is soggy flicker. Get on my nerves on my. I had to follow her. And i'm like oh dear. Why are you like this. I'm like to why so many people just say a black woman deserves violence in. It's like i that. Don't sit right with me. And my homegirl. i'll like it. I think it's terr- it's a terrible precedent to set that if you quote unquote mouth off to somebody. They have the right to put their hands one. No they don't to know they dome three. Think you've lost your fucking mind me. You got me full circle fucked up if you think that you can put your hands on me and then on top of that. I gotta be afraid that you gonna put your hands on me. No you're not like so first of all. No you're not second of all. No you're not. I'm not doing this what you know that was like why is it and the thing about this. How cancel culture quote unquote cancel. Culture is not canceling. Everybody it's only cancel culture when it's somebody you don't like you have no problem cancelling somebody you don't like if it's your faith and we're like oh my god kids'll council it's taboo. No hold accountable is what you don't like and ask belong to put her hands on her period and y'all don't wanna do that. You wanna find excuses. How many times does she have to say. You didn't deserve you. Tell your pastor. You tell ashley you telling us now when the reunion many other words you'll still find a way because you don't like hands. Y'all won't be fine ways if she hit somebody else. I think that cancel culture. I don't believe in it. I refer to it as accountability culture because harassed apologizes. It's over and done with than I think there are things like Doc- getting removed from bravo is mount cancelling. Her it's holding her accountable. And i don i mean i didn't. I didn't realize what's dossey was up to i. If vanderpump came back. I would have been into like her being on the show. But like on. I i wasn't like mourning her loss but good. I don't i don't need to. And i definitely came into the season like now really understand. I mean i knew candace had a background else clear emotional abuse. Her mother hit her with a purse. I when the when the comment started coming in about everybody who is anti candace was like While you deserve it because your mouth and even your own mom wants to be. Your assets really felt really gross and inappropriate. Reminded me up when marlo told can't kanye like her own mother doesn't want her you like. It reminded him ten at that point. And i was like okay. So that's a lot. No yeah that was horrible from our leaders say and it actually made me feel away marlow for a while like. I don't think that shit like that when you use other people's trauma as ammo i. You're off my list. Like i'm not gonna ride with you And i really think it's messed up that like people. I've heard even people that i genuinely generally rather agree. Went like saying like how can you sit on this stage and say that you have on your still not okay but you still have like these little snippets. One liners for menomonee. The time you're on the reunion stage and for me. It's like if i'm embarrassed by getting my my ashby and it's also also the type of person who's been told her entire life that she's a boundary pusher that she's a rat that her words like her detriment and that she's got a mouth It's gonna be really difficult for me to watch first of all i remember. He said it took her like months to watch the footage and she didn't want to see herself that way But she said. And i can get that like she said it was because she didn't want to see a fighting with her former friend but i really think there is an element to it which was like i what i'm about to watch his validating all this negative shit that i've heard my entire life that i deserve bad things to happen to me because of my behavior and She has also continually heard feedback throughout the season. And after the season that I'm guessing there's a lot of self blame that that what happened to her is she. Doesn't outwardly say it. She did king county -bility for her mouth. But my guess is that there's something deeper stuff in there. That's like her blaming herself because she's been probably told most of her life by family right her mother. That lake when bad shit's happened. You your fault because you're a brat you're mousy you like do this. Do that and i would imagine if i had this type of upbringing lake that this video might validate some of that shit that she's been trying to sarah pies out of her coach out of her. So this negative self talk. She's probably trying to lake away from it. Move grow from. It's going to take her back there. It's going to remove a lot of at work that she's been doing that says i'm not to blame for the way that i've been treated by my mother. I'm not to blame for the way that monique has been trading. But this video takes me back to that place of being a child. Who's blamed for everything that comes out of my mouth for being hit by my mother as an adult. Perhaps even as a child like there's just so much deep shit there that it's so inappropriate. For how dare you s- claim to be traumatized and turn on the waterworks. But also be angry enough fit. Monique to have one liners snippets. Like you can't tell someone what trauma. I am not going to tell you what account i saw this on but i did see someone. Say that if you're so traumatized as you sit there and be quiet. And i like that like you're not the same thing is fear and it also is. You're detained like that. You can't feel trauma and also be fucking pissed. I was the only like so. Y'all is like. I'm glad you brought that up so y'all wouldn't be mad at the person who literally had no problem lying about what happened still lied even everybody. Everything came out nationally. Going to sit up onus reunion and play your face and you're gonna be like oh bitch fuck you. Because we can't say no list normalized not accepting apologies and people surprised at. Kansas didn't accept her apology showing saint got to. it's like crying about because you're trump. You're traumatized yes. Let's also normalize crying about getting your ask speed on. tv traumatizing. you and scratching old wounds. That may damn song and now she's like you deserve nothing them like so. Take the song del. Oh that's right. You're not going to do that no i. Don't think. I actually think that perhaps it she took so long to apologize is because she wants she. Moaning is is a celebrity and she has a whole camp of people that aren't working for her. that are on the internet. Telling her that she's acquaint and she is like every she did the right thing like really difficult for you to come to the conclusion and be self aware when you have a camp of millions of people telling you that you're clean and you made the right decision a deserved it. I think even the same person with that kind of feedback would have hard time taken the ego out of it and saying like no. I actually should not have done that it. It's i think it's It's it's really difficult when you have a band of people saying like no you're right even if your conscious Saying like i wasn't right. I answer when you can do that right. And i don't think she's there yet. And i think that i think that she knowing that she has this base of people that are like back yes girl dragged her dragged her like she's got she's got a harket for song so it's it is not. It is not a coincidence. That the drop date for the video is the same day that the reunion came out the final day of the reunion and that the apology also dropped that day. No i don't. I don't think that she apologized for lack of a better term. Riling her vase for this song. Correct that's what i think correct. That's what i think about that. So check it as great alison. Why y'all unless you should be scared of. Monique mony should be scared of her as now. Nobody's means can't be like no bump day. Nobody should be scared. It's kind of like what so. I wouldn't wanna counter angry mounting in an alley. I know i wouldn't but also beat her is so there's not a candidate sir. I fight with my mouth. I'm not as good at after a while like 'cause that's why win the five. I was never like. Oh she's terrible and she's era demountable. She's not but hurt her coming. You know coming back from this. This requires some humility that monuc as not willing to have. She's not willing to relinquish some of that Popularity equity she has built up exit popularity equity. That's what it is she doesn't. She's not willing to relent. Which is why. I went her therapist. said write her a letter she was like. Oh no no no no like because you still in some part of you feels like what you did was the right thing either. It's right or it's not. It is not your. You are not right to put your hands on her. And the reason you did it you have been inventing different reasons for putting your hand on her down with her. Has we've done on my chin. Firstly was she through the glass second was she smashed the glass face third was she put her fingers in my face fourth was she was provoking me with spinning and wearing a week. And now it's gonna handle. What is it next week. It can be all of those things. Stephanie needs to control herself right. It was like what's what's what's happening on next week's dragon. Ball z goku. What name what find out next week. What's the new excuse show. Hello i get the thing on his wi-. I really wish you just went into this going. I'm upset i. This is mad day and i keep saying something or mad day because i am mad. So if what you're saying is true About and we'll get to this plot. Because i have so many thoughts If you're saying what happened is true. You have a right to be a little bit upset. You should be fucking angry. But because monique is trying to control everything. This is how fights happen. Because you are not reconciling your feelings you are not honoring yourself in your soul and your mental by actually saying i am very upset and i have a reason. It is mad day and you hit kansas. 'cause it was easier to get to her as opposed to g g quote unquote giselle. Sary's i'm putting them in quotes because you're saying they did. This and accident said no. She didn't and giselle said no. I have not there was no plot. So it's like ma'am the person that you really should be mad at. You can't put your hands on. Ns frustrating because you don't think about that g his thing with gee-gee it will be a fight sheet fight back. You can't get the drop on her. Y'all both from jersey. I get it is like i get it. I'm from baltimore. That's why i knew. Robin would fuck you up. If you put your hands on her robin would a dog walks your ass. Y'all better start. You'd be better lead agreement bandit alone. She looked punchy. She seemed like she would fight. But i i'm going to stand by candace being afraid of monet because i'm not a fighter. Either hang my head against the table. I would keep distance and they had enough distance at the reunion that i also would have been like under my breath. Kit trump ties in would have been okay. I should be able to do both. I should be able to do both because it's like mony win. Candace was talking so it was like y'all afam with the happens on every reunion. Shame always do that. She did that on season. Three reunion when she was mad and candles like just be zen bees in just in. Just don't don't say so. That is not new behavior from monique. In like ma'am. It's okay to have feelings you not this robot. You have a reason to be upset. Nobody is saying that you don't but the thanks giving so much life to this rumor. It makes me look at you funny. It's like wait a minute. This is extremely not true. Why didn't she react. The way to karen did when giselle said Talked about how your husband wanted. Erica lyles you chris. Cameras like oh shut the hell up to sell. That is not true and notice nobody else talks about it and i agree to some extent that giselle was like uber. Autumn pointing to the samuels. Like giselle did say it on camera but the samuels didn't have to go live in talk about it. It never could. It could have been like a passing rumor. That never came up again. Just like the farm and mr blue us thank. You was like literally the same why you had to like was he. They were so hair. Blake erica lyles. Mr blue is a fire man. Which interesting love. Karen actually said that shit too. It was like why can't messed karen could be messy It's like. I don't know why they i don't know why they breathe so much life into that room is like there's some fire under that smoke a nasty sad part and over. I really hope not either. Because i'm like girl is like i monica's a beautiful woman. She has beautiful. Children has family But i think it's very interesting that your story about this fight has changed. Gee-gee story about what happened when the trainer has not hostelry has not changed. And i'm like this is a problem. It was like hurt. She's had the same story when chris and The black socialites. He likes to here posted. He's deleted by now but it was on instagram. He posted the text messages between him. And chris about what happened. Everything that chris bassett said happened happened. It was like he gave me most accurate account. 'cause that's what he got from kansas like. I didn't lie about what happened. You made it seem like she latin. I'm like but that is what happened. I so i don't. I am not a genealogist. But i don't think that that baby isn't crisis. I don't i mean everybody keeps saying how much she looks like him and i mean i guess i haven't really haven't seen enough of the baby that analyzed things like go chase macos look like chris. I'm like so when they show the clip of him say up. see him. who does he look like. Zell was like what you're being funny because he's like have done. This seems like yeah. Who else was he look like. There's only two options for who he would look like you. I'm very confused where you're doing this. I see knew that she knew she was rumors that were going on. She neil he was referring to them but she was doing that thing where she's like hot. Oh no ame right. So it's like if so when and multiple tweeting this last night when they were watching you in a reunion was on when she said the streets of potomac are talking about the affair and she's like what's the point. You don't even live here. Oh you think people don't talk to her they tell. Many streets are tomac. Like craig this girl the ford streets of potomac are all talking about it like okay. Call me when they're talking about in a real city like potomac and it's so funny. I'm like you like okay. Moni gonna give it to you. Maybe they ain't tell zell they might have told to raise if it's on the streets of dc or baltimore is like the streets of potomac are talking. I'm like are you saying that because that's where the show is filmed because apparently where the chose film but apparently my thing was until monica decoding. I'm like i don't know what the hell she's talking about. What is he talking about. But then i saw comment on. Somebody's page like yeah. I remember. i'd jeep page had talked about this affair years ago. I had seen it before the show. I wasn't surprised. I'm like talked about this because i feel like monique had a lot of the bigger blogs on look because none of them talked about this like they didn't because a lot of the people who were like putting out videos and blog posts about the show show by the fight. Some of them took down those videos saying that. She's kansas started the fight. All of a sudden you took down. Y'all started that fight. Do you think the fact that the samuels breed so much life into this. Rumor is because there's trips it. I think there may be a little truth even and it's like maybe maybe inappropriate laugh. 'cause even someone ask because when she did our facebook live deleted it. But it's on the youtube if y'all wanna watch it she said. I don't think they slept together. I think for the most part they may have been like flirting with at the most. I think flirting with the trainer which definitely inappropriate for her as much as she says. Ama- wife and i would never do this. I think that's the most what happened. and the thing about it is did say. I shouldn't have had alluded to her Rid of the baby or the paternity of chase is did that. Because i think she was talking more about the baby she lost and people were saying she didn't lose it. She had an abortion with some like. I don't think that's what she did she. Also i don't care if she did. I'm like i don't care. And i don't think she doesn't seem on brand for you. Does it almost like maybe a bit less the trainers. I don't know roughly. I'll dirty digging around. I'm like honestly am not digging. I'm like i don't care. I'm like i'm really donald. I'm like i can't do this. Because the unfortunate thing people are saying about Of from the black socialize is that he was spending so much time building his brand. He wasn't going to dialysis. And i'm like i really hope that is not true. I hope he really was because one dials is one of those things where you can't not consistently do it is not happen. I really i really hope that a ally so that is alleged. I'm like i hope that's how that's false that is like. Why would you risk your health on my. He's not. I hope he did not do that as like. I really don't like. I hope that's just wrong because i'm like i'll get in this room. I just live one. You can't sit up here and talk about your childhood trauma but didn't tell cannon she's being ridiculous about crime about something last year you're talking about something happened with a child in your thirty seven years old. I lost their calls. Validate you want somebody to on a your trauma. You're paying your triggers from childhood. Because i mean sometimes there's things that you're talking that fucks you up. That's all i'm like no. I can't see that i could see that. Like which is why. I have a feeling. That's what fuels Candidates being so vocal and having no problem to get down in the gutter with you because of her childhood with dorothy. Dorothy probably does that and she probably his head no voice she can't if you can't fightbacks you can't fight back with her words with her mama. She learned how to do that elsewhere. Everybody else dorthy also taught her that you fight with your words. You don't fight with your hands so you can't apply hood rules to candidates when she ain't grow up there and they should leave her per store self right. Why are you pop it in the name with the person like that's weird and it's like so yeah. Violence is not a way to handle when you can't go toe to toe with somebody verbally and hear it. I'm gonna fail it. A monique's click trauma to like triggers. To like from her hands in her face really made her snap to the point in which she hurt candidate. I don't see that. But i do say you'll men that it happens and at sucks that happened to canvas. But you have to take a common ability before one year passes because i don't know destroyed Supposedly she turns to like pressing charges. And i like your. I like your take as to like why she did that but originally she said if she had politics i wouldn't have but he kind of thing. That locked is also your y'all putting it out there like i deserve this and it's like an because i started fight but she's like if i press charges i that means it shows that i'm not the one who did this. I think i really. I had not thought about it. Was somebody told this. And i will say this monique. You're full of shit with that reason. Why you're not mad at karen for her saying i would oppressed like no. We're friends i would never like you. You god damn laugh. You sit up here and get mad at kansas for inviting cherise to her anniversary to mulcair anniversary party. But i've met at caring for telling her is okay to press charges. Will you that evolve. Bits fuck outta my face. It takes some it takes some compartmentalizing to stay like while. I understand that karen would say that that for herself. She would press charges the ability to all that out so that you are as angry at karen one who has reactionary might be. That takes work that we have not seen that. Monique has the ability to do. I do think that if if monique headed any point shortly after the fight said exactly what she said on the on the reunion last night which is like my trauma and my ptsd to whatever new And i took that on you. This was not yours ever to receive. I apologize that We would have been able to humanize monique in a way that we were unable to because she was pretty much removed from the season and it would have also allowed candice to have a vulnerability that would Probably protected her from so much vitriol that she has experienced this whole season because she would have we would have seen been able to see what her reaction was to beating. People up is cool. But i did this to you. I'm sorry this is the this is the reason. It's not an excuse but it is what happened in the moment. I don't expect you to forgive me or if these forgive me now. But i want you to know that it is. It wasn't yours. I apologize and this is a rancid to be lying here my feelings. But i'm not going to honor your source like that's not okay. You cannot tell me as a monique fan or as monique that somehow monique's trauma Shit is more valid than candace crying. Still like why is like super weird to me. It's like area weird to me and it's not really the only thing i can boil it down to his people. Just don't let candice that's it. There's no other reason. Can't there might be other reasons. I would love to hear the a new episode comes out. I don't fully of the deserve. It was like weird to me. Is like if your if your reaction to a mouth is heard on somebody like then. I don't know what to see. Then get off a show where you're getting paid to talk. You're getting paid to be in this situations. All of y'all literally being paid to be mouthy show us our lives and be mouth with each other like why are you at. I'm so maybe. That's why i'm only has decided to not return. Because she doesn't yourself she was like i was being gassed. Let you mean you weren't as leading. You're so used to. All these bloggers will smoke up your way saying that canvas deserve this. The minute the people who the person who represent your boss any better boss. But that's not the point you're representing bravo. Even though he don't work problem the more according to him but he represents your boss. How are you going to sit here and just go. Oh my god you hold me like y'all gas lighting me. No he's holding you accountable. He's only accountable. Mcmahon you. I don't know any job where you can hit your co workers and keep your job and affected they fire you. They have anybody for violence. So that's why. I was when people like she. She'd be fired. I'm like no now that bravo not on bravo. I'm like yeah. this girl. Nobody on bravo has been fired for fighting. Nobody fire someone the wwe only we're in wrestling. I mean. I don't know what's this should have been fired. She walked away and the thing about. I said as she leaves. It's going to be up her choice. They're not gonna ask her to leave because they don't have the precedent of. Oh you fight. You're gone they don't have that it was like nobody's been fired at the most demoted and That was porsche and because she added so much the season they brought her ass right back on up like okay. Well you you bring stuff. Don't bring what porsche brings to atlanta. Ronaldo alana they argue with nuggetscom everything that they said they was like Candidates somehow bay into their roaches and threw a knife s. Somebody and everything. Everything that you just said was something that she did a to ashley. What does he do to the girl. Not the aromatic ever-mounting on fame. She told ashley she on need them. What you money now. I don't tell me nothing to ashley in kansas. If you bring up we're gonna talk about my league and candice. I want to know what they can do to molding. Now what candidates ashley.

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85. Gomorrah La Serie

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85. Gomorrah La Serie

"Hello. Everybody. Welcome to the full cast and crew podcast I. Know It's been a couple of weeks since I last did my review recommendation on the brilliant TV series the bureau. Back. This week to try and talk about my other favorite television series of all time the Italian series Gomorrah. I say try and talk about it because as much as I have loved immersing myself in this incredible television series over the four available seasons that I've watched over about the last three months. I still find it really hard to figure out exactly why it's so good and I'll try and address why that might be in the course of this brief conversation. But by way of background if you're not familiar with Gomorrah. Covers some familiar ground. It's the story of mobsters in this case in the city of Naples in in Italy involved in the drug trade and. Warfare with various clans and factions. Starting with the salvage family, which in season one is headed by Pietro Salvino with his wife, a close number two and their playboy out of shape near well, son Genaro. Rounding out their immediate family. The Stove Asano's control, the drug territory within an area of Naples, and specifically around housing project, which in real life is known as love La or was known as love la or the sales, its own incredible architectural structure. Of Kind of unforgettable silhouette when you see it and the practicalities of the real physical location are used to jarring an incredible affect throughout the entirety of this series. The locations are just amazing real life filmed on the -cation. With some of the apartments in the internal sequences you know obviously must have been built. On sound stages, but a lot of the exterior shots and a lot of the action outside takes place in and around Naples specifically in and around this housing project, which is notorious and infamous. For the way in which it's designed sort of. Created an unfortunate prison like many housing projects do walling off its residents from the rest of the outside world creating illicit tunnels and walkways. And dangerous corners and unlit areas and corridors. It's just it's a stunning location which is used to stunning effect. So One of the reasons why I kinda struggled to talk about why I love this series so much we've seen this before right like. I personally have gone down the rabbit hole in the nonfiction world of reading tremendous amount about crack cocaine gangs and New York City for example during the eighties and nineties and of Red Ten or twelve books that cover a variety of. The inner workings of these. These gangs which are importing cocaine turning it into crack. Selling it hand to hand laundering the prophets and dealing with. External pressures from the police from the community and from other would-be rival drug gangs like we've seen the wire we've seen the corner we've seen the Sopranos we've seen breaking bad. This is done to the nth degree like. Stirs, drugs, we get it. Right. So what is it about this particular series? That elevates it beyond. I think easily all of those other series. The the short answer is I'm not sure. I think. The answer probably lies in a compliments of things which all which I'll get into so. On the one hand I think it is a unique take on this very common subject matter in the in that it's extremely insular like. There are very few outsiders that we ever meet or explore over the course of the four seasons of the series. There are there are no police that are trying to. You know simultaneously tracked down the characters that were following. There is only the world of the housing project. There is only the world of the drug gang and. Everything takes place within those almost claustrophobic confines and. The focus on that over time I think gives this a real weight and power because your experiences viewer ends up being. Kind of similar to the experience at a lot of people you follow in this series. Who who start out as neophytes in newbies and innocent and pure individuals who through contact with the drug gangs ended up getting involved, and then their lives change and these people find themselves doing things that they never would have expected themselves doing. I'm talking about horrible horrible things killings. And all of that feels extremely true to life in the way that it's played in the series and from at least my reading. In the in the in the area. You know it's pretty true to life. I mean the things that violent drug gangs due to preserve turfan territory as far beyond the stuff we see on television it really is. The reason that you don't really see that stuff on television is because the realities of it are too jarring and off pudding to put into a dramatic context of a series that's kind of trying to entertain us as much as it's trying to shock us or overwhelm us from time to time. So if you think about a show like the Sopranos. I mean, most of those major characters survived the entire ten seasons the show is on I. Understand people drop off here and there but I mean. I think David Chase made a decision like follow these guys. Most of these guys are going to stay alive. You know I, think it was such a big deal i. think when Adriana finally got killed in the Pine Barrens episode brilliant episode directed by Steve. BUSCEMI. I. Remember the shock of losing a main character and she wasn't even really a main character but thinking that season she kind of had become one. So. You don't get that in this series in this series. In the drug game. People are shot and killed regularly people that you follow people that in your constructive. What following a dramatic series means you expect anticipate to be around for quite a long time. So. On the one hand, I think focusing on the gangs themselves. PL- leading the conflicts be true to what would occur. Is Part of the power here. Now, this whole series is based on a very notorious legendary book by Roberto Salvia No. It's his book Gomorrah which was his debut work of nonfiction to read the wikipedia entry. He uses literature investigative reporting to tell of the economic reality of the territory and business of organized crime in Italy in Particular Camera Crime Syndicate, and of organized crime more generally very famously when this book came out. He was. Sentenced to death by the Mafia clans in Italy, and he's apparently had to live in some form of hiding ever since which I don't know if that's sort of. Drummed up to sell books or exactly true. But this book which I frankly am about two thirds of the way through this tried to read the Sony Times because I'm so interested in the subject matter but. I really find the book hard going and I'm not sure if that's the result of just an unfortunate translation. The youth you know of himself at the time that he wrote it looks like he's only forty one now and the book came out. Two, thousand six. So you know maybe it's the youth of the author at the time, but it's very disjointed fractured. It's it's not an easy read and you don't really get a lot of the types of juicy details and things that you're used to in inside story nonfiction books but. Having watched all four seasons of Gomorrah and knowing that this is the source material in reading the book now after the fact. I'm even more impressed that the filmmakers and the creative team picked out really subtly almost minuscule details and then magnified them within the life of the series to take on such power and significance. It's almost as if in the oft cited here. Analysis of Stanley Kubrick who said you know you don't sit down and write a screenplay. You write a novel and then you adapt that novel. For a movie because the power of the novel will be something that you imbue fractured scenes that you're writing out with even if you're unconscious of doing it in the act of doing that produces something akin to hire film art than if you just sit down and try and obey the rules of screenwriting one. Oh One. So in this sense to you know, this is not a retelling of the book these four seasons this is a essence, a capturing of an essence of the book and a lot of the names are used in a lot of the events and sequences are used, but it's not a faithful adaptation of a book. It uses the book stylistically And and veers wildly off into into various sorts of territory. So. That's a little bit of the background of where we are. You can watch I believe at least the first two seasons on Amazon prime and the second two seasons have been problematic to watch because to diverge for a second they were distributed by the Weinstein Company, and so when Harvey Weinstein found himself in the legal jeopardy that has caused his personal and professional demise. This seems to be one of the. Products that the Weinstein Company was distributing that foundered on the rocks and has taken some time to settle I've read that HBO Max, The new Hbo Digital Streaming Service would be competitor to Netflix and Amazon has secured the rights to to to air season three and four. I don't know when that's happening I haven't checked in a while I finally gave up and I just ordered the. Region B Blu. Ray Desks. I have a region Free Blu Ray display which everyone makes fun of me for actually buying BLU ray discs but I don't care. So I was able to watch them regardless of the fact that they're not available at least here in the states. So. That's how I watched them I believe maybe by the time this comes out I. Don't know maybe there'll be available on Hbo Max I also saw that season five was just announced. By Salvatore Procedo and Marco Damore who played the two main protagonists in the series and it was supposed to have begun filming in May of Twenty Twenty. But of course, the pandemic doing what it does sound like that was delayed and maybe it's just getting underway now. Curiously. It looks like Chiro who has Marco Damore character will be back based on the way that these two actors announced. season. Five, which would be kind of a surprise interesting to see how they do that. Try not to give away too many spoilers here. But at the same time I'm really Doing this episode to encourage you if you haven't watched this to just seek it out and let it sink in and see if you're something that you're interested in. But I'm also doing this for a few of the folks that I see on Instagram are Maura heads the way that I am and trust me. If you get into this series, you're going to become as obsessed as some of us are so Brooklyn film fanatic. I'm talking to you shouting out at big feet Pete seventy seven. At Gomorrah Underscore TV. At s que fifty, five, any are you guys all get this what I'm talking about. I know from your comments that you've posted on images that I put on instagram that you feel and felt this series. The way I did part of this is just trying to. Even though we don't know each other and I've never met talk to you about what it is that I love about this show and try to figure it out. Helped me figure it out, help me on instagram if you can because I'm still trying to untangle the mystery of how this thing works. Any help much appreciated you. You. You all know what I'm talking about when I talk about this show. So just a little bit of word on the cast I mentioned Pietro Estano in season one, but really the the core component. Is Genaro Salve Astono. Who? Undergoes probably the most remarkable transformation I. Think I've ever seen a character undergo over the course of a season in TV series because when we meet Jenny, he's a layabout rich pampered spoiled Italian baby like with his mommy bringing him breakfast. You know even though he's in his twenties, he's laying around in his underwear. He's got gold chains. He's out clubbing. He's falling in love with the wrong girl he's just. He's a dunderheads. He is not someone who's going to take over a criminal enterprise and run it successfully as his father has done. He is not a figure to fear. His mother knowing this sends him on a fool's errand. And when he returns is unrecognizable I mean literally to your eye, he's slimmed down he a Mohawk. He is a completely different person and. Salvatore Esposito who plays this character is such a phenomenal. Be Able to pull off this transformation you. It's one of many things I think in every series every season of this series. There have been moments where my jaw drops and I can't believe what I've just seen. And you know. If you're listening to this podcast, you're probably the same way I. Am you seem pretty much everything there is to see it's pretty hard to shock and surprise me even in a series I. Really Love You know what I'm saying I know what they're telegraphing regardless of how they do it even in a series as thorny and complex as the bureau like you can see where things are going. You've watched a lot of movies and TV and you know the tropes and the conventions and you know the arcs of characters. But I can tell you that in Gomorrah in every single season, there have been moments where I literally can't believe what I'm seeing. and. The power to surprise and shock me is part of the other reason. I'm continually impressed by this television series some of these moments you who know Maura will know exactly what they are without giving them. let's just say cheerios daughter. The concluding scene of season four at the airport. Between Patrizia and Genaro. On, and on these moments are indelible. And they are. Shocking and true-to-life they feel real. They feel like what would happen not what would happen in a TV series about what happened if that makes any sense? Okay. Salvatore esposito Marco Demoura plays Chiro who kind of is our protagonist through season one? He's an orphan he has nothing he is of this housing project and it is really through his eyes and his rise and his his Machiavelli Ian Lake ability to manipulate people in situations and survive at great odds that we come to learn. Much of what we learned over many of the subsequent seasons he is an incredible character and some of the season one season, two stuff between him and Jenny, and some of the other ones I mean. In a way that I talked about the bureau being. So French and the Frenchness of the bureau is one of the great things about it. The Italian -ness of many aspects of Gamarra's or one of the things that I think you'll find kind of amusing and sort of stylized. There's a way in which Jenny and Chiro stand nose to nose when they're sort of threatening each other and it's this kind of Alpha male every animalistic kind of like Lord of the jungle you know who's going to back down I. I, mean, they look like they're about to make out in the most. Obvious analogy that I think the filmmakers are are trying to make is this tension between males and violence and sex, and all of these kinds of things. But once they kind of beyond that the the the seasons really find an almost cinematic half as we go on and really in seasons three and four, the filmmaking gets so good and it's such an obvious jump from where we leave off at the. End of season four in good Maura, two, zero, zero zero, which is what I'm going to talk about in my next episode because that's also made by the same creative team. There's a lot of continuity there and a lot of the storytelling in the film making that I think we arrive at in season four of Gomorrah is really continued in honed and even more brilliantly more beautifully perfected and more powerfully. Done in zero, zero zero, which is kind of the third part of this. TRIFECTA of films and TV series that I really kind of fell in love with during this pandemic so. There are many many other amazing people in the cast I also WanNa just mention that. Unlike a lot of mob mafia drug gang things. Yes. We're in a world of men, but the female characters are incredible. I mean from Pietro Silvis Domino's wife to. Patrizia to Chanel there are these these incredibly complicated? Female characters? WHO Who Yes they do have to navigate the man's world and the man's environment they find themselves in, but they do so with such cunning and intelligence and not kind of stereotypical. Wiley female stuff. There's not a lot of using of. Here, there's no sexualization in order to beat. The dumb guy at his own game it's it's really until intelligence. It's it's intellect. It's street smarts. And it's pain. It's internalized pain as manifested on all of these characters faces. and. When I'm talking about pain on faces and incredible acting and Gomorrah. And the wonderful and multifaceted female characters. I have to just land from moment on Christiana Delana who plays Patrizia. delana is such a phenomenal actor and really takes center stage in the later seasons. I think she first appears in season two three but really season four is really all about her and. She's such a phenomenal actor and has so many moments with. This life that we don't even see before we meet her in Comoro we know the details of it. We know. That people close to her have been killed by the drug gangs. That responsible for her brother and her sisters We know that she ends up becoming the Messenger for salvage Tano after he. Re tries to regain power in later seasons. Infuses her character and suffuses every seen that she's in there are scenes in. The last season with her. That always remember phenomenal. There's a a love scene between her and her eventual husband that is so complex and so. Heartbreaking because the difficulty that she has experiencing and expressing feelings and love our writ large. Very. Expressive face as she's in the act and it's such an interesting way to play a scene like that and incredibly vulnerable. Always Service of character always in service of. Something incomplete in the character that. Is it a hole in these people's souls. An addiction to this lifestyle there are there are scenes in seasons three and four. There's there's a young drug gang who fly around Naples. On scooters with long flowing coats, one description of them. So they look more like hip Baristas than they do drug dealers, but the imagery, the freedom that you can feel the wind in your hair, you can feel the chill of the late. Summer, nights it's. It conveys this addicting nature of the life the lifestyle and Patrizia is such a incredible character who Will leave you. With one final moment that I don't think you'll ever forget if you get to the end of season four. And it's it's stunning. She is stunning. So particular shoutout to Christiana and her work in this series because it really really. Is is one of the you know it's it's one of the three great performances in in in. In the whole series I mean there's many great performances, but it's kind of the Sh- she's the third main character between Chiro and Jenny it turns out. And I can't say enough about her and I think you'll really. Give yourself a treat to stay with the series long enough to to meet her and to follow what happens and where it goes because you won't regret it. So, the. The cast of the series will will stay with you as you watch throughout. The. Music. Wow So the music is done by an Italian collective called MOCHA Delic and the music in. Gomorrah I think is gonNA. Haunt me forever I. Mean it's just to show. Stunningly beautiful. When? Salvatore Esposito. Marco Damore. Announced that the start if season five shooting had begun. Salvatore used a word that. I've been thinking waiting to record this because I kind of want finished it a couple of weeks ago, and I wanted to wait to see if I arrived somewhere in being able to actually use words to try and describe this to you but. He used a word that for the first time I was like that's what it is. That's the distillation of the thing I'm responding to and the word that he wrote, which was about how he and Marco Damore Character Chiro were linked. Forever. Through experience the word he used was melancholy and I think that is the thing that we deal with here if there's an essential. kind of mood that goes through the series and and certainly through the music. Melancholy and the use of melancholy in the use of that. That vibe. Is Somehow one of the things that is so moving about the series and I don't mean just because the music is kind of. Engineered, to push those buttons in your brain and in your heart but there's a melancholy to the way. The characters follow. What even some of them realize is this ruthless progression to jump off the cliff that they know will end. In devastation for themselves and for their families, the choices that they make are born out of economic. In opportunity and the the stakes for them are worth the risks that they take. But because it's Italian, there's so much awareness of that going on underneath the faces of the actors and the way the film, the the scenes are filmed and and Mauka dialects, music Oh. My God it's one of the greatest soundtracks to to a TV series. I've ever heard it's music I listen to all the time now. Because these themes and these themes are consistent throughout the life of the series. The way the themes are used. Becomes such a piece of familiarity to you that. You know exactly where you are and it is that melancholy that word that Salvatore Esposito so used it is that melancholy that I think is the underpinning of all the brilliance of Gomorrah. Room. ooh. Only 'cause it's sad ultimately, it is sad. It's sad to watch people who feel that they have no other options. Economically fall into this. This by far most viable economic option, right? So You secure a kilo of cocaine for whatever it is. Right Thirty? Three thousand euros a kilo. You step on it two, three, four, six times so that you end up with two three, four, six kilos of cocaine. You bag those six kilos of cocaine into individual serving portions. Or crack and you now have. Sex toppled your money, right? Your overhead is fairly low. You have a piece of territory you have clientele base is pounding on the door twenty, four seven. You are in housing project where the police are fairly content to let you kill each other sell drugs to each other prey upon each other just don't venture out into the streets. In the wider community. And you have a pit of snakes of people who are willing to kill because the financial upside is so vast and show much greater than any opportunity available to them in the immediate confines of where they're living. This is the same story. If you go to Brooklyn the Bronx Queens Housing Projects Crack gangs rap crack connection music story any of the great kind of hip hop music of the of the nineties that that takes us inside this stuff. In a way, the series is about a hate to sound. So woke, but it's really about economic inequality and that's the driving engine here, and in later seasons, we get to see kind of again familiar territory where certain gangsters try to kind of go straight and try to. Leave this behind to their credit to the credit of what they're trying to do for their family. They tried to say, I've had enough of that. I, don't want to do that anymore I wanna be in these legitimate businesses but of course, they're not accepted in the legitimate business world and they're not accepted in polite society accept up to the point where someone. Has Need of the thuggish side of their personality, and then they're those people you know with the right clothes and the right pedigrees and resumes are more than willing to embrace someone like Genaro do something that they are incapable of doing themselves. So again, we've seen all this before, but the way that it's played out in the investment that you have in these characters. Anti Heroes. Everyone's really an anti hero i. mean everyone does unforgivable unspeakable things. It's. It's it's hard to contemplate how you can end up carrying so much about Chiro or caring so much about Jenny like when they do horrible horrible horrible horrible things and they put. Innocent people at grave risk including their own children. And they know that they're doing it. The magic somehow of the series is that it makes you care about them. It makes you understand them in a three dimensional way that I think is so moving and it's also so weird because then you yourself as if you are having a little bit of the experience that some of the characters go through, right you come in your rightfully kind of disgusted by things that some characters would do but then you come to understand why they're doing what they're doing and how they feel they have no choice. And in that understanding, you've been kind of changed. You've been a little bit warped and what's happening is the same thing that happens to these little kids who grow up in the sales grow up in second deleo and grow up in in in level. And our children and have joyous little children's lives even though they don't quite understand the squalor in which those lives are place in the dysfunction right. But as they get older, it becomes more apparent what's going on and they make choices and those choices have consequences and that's the thing that I think the series is always so incredibly astute about. So the themes that MOCHA delic uses throughout. Gomorrah are just their heart rending. They're beautiful. They're they're suffused with that melancholy and I think the music. Is such a big part of? What makes this series special? Finally, where it leads and by that I mean, this is a world, a cinematic world that you can go down a rabbit hole. So the primary creative team. Just mention them by name Leonardo. Facility Stefan Obese says Roberto Savia. No Ludovico Rumpled Giovanni Bianconi are the key people involved with creating the series. The directors and the cinematographers of individual seasons or episodes. Are Really also, what makes this quite incredible I particularly want to mention the cinematography A. Paulo Carnera Ivan Casagrande Vittorio Omeday Arini Malaria has Ali. And Michele Lee Donna. Michelle Michelle Donoso Gosh. Paulo Carnivora particularly is the cinematographer whose work I think I respond to the most. He also. Shot. Five episodes of zero, zero, zero, which is. Also based on a Roberto no book. And is also created by Leonardo solely. And and Stefanos Selima who's also behind a bunch of other offshoots about kind of crime in Rome and in Italy but zero zero zero someone will talk about it at the end of this but Paulo Carnera is kind of the cinematographer whose work I think really speaks loudest in terms of what's special about the series. So. One of the rabbit holes that I went down is Stefan Oh Salima. Because You when you when you when you get into these series and you're kind of waiting for. Your waiting for things to watch and your your way you're kind of trying to stretch out the seasons because you know that you've only got so many to go and it's something that you really love and that special. So you really kind of want to get into it so. Stefan also is responsible for a lot of pretty amazing. TV and I've tried a bunch of them. So first of all zero zero zero, he's involved that as a directory to of the episodes I think is involved in the creation of it. I'll speak two, zero, zero zero at the end of this, he directed about ten episodes of Gomorrah he directed the movie version of. SOUBRA A lot of what happens in he's Italian things is there's a movie and then there's a TV series which will run multiple seasons. So for Good Maura the same thing exists you can watch the movie of Kamara which is a bit more I think truthful to the way the book unfolds it's sort of more more of a clinical examination of the various business aspects maybe not quite so personalized as more the Siri low series as they talk about it. Saburo has the same thing. It's really about kind of the move to turn a piece of water fund in in Rome into. Kind of Las Vegas type area, and you know you similarly similarly have a cabal of crime and mob bosses who are supposed to pull together. But then of course, there's infighting there's all the stuff that goes on. And it's kind of also about more about how Roman society is infiltrated and influenced by the the Mafia the camera. So there's movie Sephora, and then there's A series, which is called blood on Rome which I watched. It's good. It's. Good Maura gives you some of that. But it's a little more soapy and that's not quite what I'm always interested in. There's a movie I'd very much like to see that Sulaiman director, which really isn't available yet in the states, it's called a cab. All cops are bastards, which is a phrase you might be familiar with from the recent. Uprisings and riots going on in the United, states and around the world that's a common phrase. That's being spray painted on buildings and is part of the kind of de-fund the police movement. You can hear that shouted out a lot. That's a film that was directed by Stefan Lima and one little side note into the realm of movies so Voice been a big fan of SICARIO. The first film directed by my man Villeneuve. It's a great film and I eagerly looked forward to watching you know sicario to. When it came out and I remember watching it sort of was kind of amorphous was sort of not reply driven and it just didn't really. Don't know it just wasn't the same as a movie directed by Bennie Villanova of course, because he didn't directed Stefanos directed it but I have to say after watching a lot of Salima stuff after watching camera after watching zero zero zero. All of a sudden takes it slips exactly into place. It's like a missing Lego piece that you finally found, and then you click it in and you go oh, now I see the whole if you look at it that way as a piece of work of the. Type of stuff that. Interested in the Inter workings of government and drug trafficking and hypocrisy and personal commitment and freedom all of a sudden that movie makes a lot more sense than it did when I saw it as a sequel to Sakaria. So he also directed that some other things that leads to which I haven't yet seen. Mark. Marco. Damore. Directed, a film about Chiro called the immortal lumped. Limo Tol. which is not available the United States. I've gotten a couple of leads. Thank you Maura TV instagram account for pointing me in certain directions. But I haven't really been able to. Able to watch it the way that I want to and need to watch it which is. GotTa have it in the best possible quality that's just a problem that I have. So that's a film that Marco Marco Damore a directed. My expectation is it's a film directed by actor about a character that the actor is most well known for it's probably some. self-indulgent and a little roomy. But let's wait and see I haven't seen it. And as I said, season five of Kamara is coming out soon. So. I still feel even after talking for. Thirty. Five minutes here. I don't know that I've actually been able to. Accurately describe to you what it is about this series that so magical and I know that there's probably no way to do that other than trying to convince you to watch it yourself just. FINISH THIS THOUGHT ABOUT COMORO The credit sequence the title of the film I think also speaks to what's special about it. So what we're looking at when we finally see the title Gomorrah Luxury. Last. Being Italian for the series to separate it from the movie. Gomorrah to which doesn't have much connection. It's this piece of iron and it's and the words Maura are. Etched into this iron and it's there's rust and less serious in blood red lettering and the rust is actually happening as we're watching it and so what we're watching are these molecules of the iron. Decay and float into the air. As the elements. Do their work on the source material. and. It's this very brief moment. But as I've watched the series, I come to find that that particular choice of images that hyper close photography where we literally see rust. In real time that's what's going on to these characters. That's what's going on to the environment that the characters live in. It's the environment, the oppressive environment that is molecule by molecule extracting the life out of these people in this area, and it's their fight for survival within that environment and against those environmental. Qualities that they're living in that's what that represents to me. And so that image the music the. Places that this series goes to continually surprise me. Are What make it So. Special. I. Mean I just got done doing that episode about the Bureau and I think in that episode I said You know this has got to be the best television series ever made and I still believe that but the emotional satisfaction of Gomorrah. Is Greater and I say that even as I'm bewildered because the emotional satisfaction is usually the melancholy and sadness that these things have happened to these people. It's not triumph. The. The only thing that triumphs. Is the unrelenting? Forward marching progress of the drug business itself everyone else loses to one degree or another. It's just a question of how much and for how long. So. To, say that within that, I've been as moved by Gamaa as by any series seems strange to me but it's absolutely true there are moments of profound beauty and connection within this degradation and destruction that I don't remember getting from any other television series I will always love these characters I will always love this music. I don't know if I will go back and watch it all over again. I don't know that I'm going to read a lot about the making of those are two things. I usually do with things that I, really really like. But. This is one of those things and you probably have to with movies or books or anything that you that you really love. You just don't want to ruin it by knowing much about what happened behind it. I don't want to know that about this. It would be really weird for me to see Marco tomorrow or Salvator. Esposito and something else I know Salvatore Zito is in Fargo right now I can't watch I don't WanNa see him in another role. Sorry Salvator. But, it's just. I'm still I'm still in the spell as you can tell so. That's camera. That's my attempt as best I can to try and describe why I felt the way I felt watching it. And it's going to end with pointing you towards zero zero zero and it's going to point me towards covering zero zero zero in a subsequent episode because in a lot of ways where damore leaves us. Zero Zero Zero, which is a limited run series. So it also is based on a Roberto Savia. No I, believe novel this time about the drug trade. is also a stunning piece of cinematic television accomplishment and it's an incredible accomplishment for the streaming service that produced it. Amazon prime because it's a global production, it features a global cast of actors that you would never otherwise see in American television and it is produced at the highest cinematic level, and it also features an astounding soundtrack that is amongst my favorite. So I'm going to talk about that in the next episode of full cast and crew, and until then I hope you're staying safe I. Hope you're finding good things to watch be kind to each other be kind to yourself get plenty of restaurants year next time.

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MM153 Pt. 1: The 4 Streets of Potomac (w/ Lily of ShesStartin)

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MM153 Pt. 1: The 4 Streets of Potomac (w/ Lily of ShesStartin)

"In her hello and welcome to the mobile minutes podcast. I'm stephanie. thank you so much for joining me. You can find podcast on apple podcasts. Stitcher radio google play tune in cast box iheart radio and spotify find this on any of those platforms or where else you get your podcast also. Still soliciting for ratings and reviews. If you'll be so inclined please leave some five stars. Leave some reviews what greatly appreciated. Also you can find me on instagram facebook and twitter at moga minutes on all three of those platforms. If you want to shoot me an email give me some feedback other than on those three places. You can email me at moga minutes at key. Mail dot com Hello and welcome back to the local minutes podcast. This is stephanie. Thank you so much for joining me. it's been a heavy few weeks i had to step away As i took a couple of weeks to just decompress the not Just take some take a step back. Because i'm mourning the death of my grandmother So thank you to one for their very sweet message is everybody who reached out to me. it was good to take a step away because i feel like if i didn't it wouldn't have been good so i'm glad i had to step. I'm glad i took time to time and step away. I'm glad i took time to spend with my family. A christmas is over It was an interesting christmas. But still a good christmas nonetheless and rounding out the year by talking about the real housewives of potomac reunion and with me today very. She hopped hopped health. Right on the podcast from. she's starting. I have lily. Lily how are you. I am so good. And i'm so glad that you took the time to take care yourself and reflect on what you need and self care is so important especially on the holidays especially around Monumentous las which has touched all of us in some way more than others sear on I'm really happy to be your foray back into podcasting into also end this year with you. I don't know what will air. But i know that we're recording. Be right just before the end of the year. So i am honored to be here Stephanie and i have been through it in terms of potomac in terms of the followers in terms of the bloggers in terms of our friends. We are sick and tired of being sick and tired anymore. I'm like i'm not to infringe ships over reality show. I'm not trying to like whether internet friends in person. Friendships like difference wherever you want to say it. I'm like yeah. I'm just gonna stop. I'm not not going back and forth with you. And i definitely wasn't doing it in the last couple of weeks. I'm like oh yeah i don't have the. I don't have the mental space. I don't have the mental scope to do this view Not going to do it. So i kind literally. I didn't talk about it. Others and i found new voices. Because i think for us. We kept looking at business going. Okay so are we the crazy ones. Do not see what we see. I feel like we would a little boy one. The emperor has no clothes. What are you doing right. I i mean i. There's still people that are very close to us that are like on wavering knick fans and like i feel like this internal truths and i just i just laugh at them because i'm not going to name any names but i know that some of our friends are like i this point i just like bryant on y'all up and i'm just like look i just like i don't i just like that's what they do like i own you like violence. I don't think that they're like the people in our little space. That are actually actively choose violence. I think they just really love monique and canal over what she's died like new. I'm like that's fine. That's really fine. I'm like i respect them. We're going like it doesn't matter i'm team me. I'm tinto's down. And i'm like okay. And i think that the friends that are like admitting like we're just trying to rile you up like we. We know that we know we different opinion. And there's then there's people were just lake so interesting. Because i did not stay away from the internet manetti point during all of this might have. I might regret that. But i mean as as you know. There's been some scuffles. The people have been blacks. People have been muted. Some like attitudes have been described from. I'm like yeah. I'm and it's kind of like you. Got to put a boundary. I'm like i'm not going to do this with you because i think would happen. I think it was yesterday onto his post Somebody like somebody wrote something like really nasty about candidates. What really talking about like homophobia versus transphobia and misogyny because yes. Put up that post about what chris andrews on it was like. I remember seeing that clip. I didn't is like jarring the second time i thought it was like. Wait a minute. It was also known. Yeah it was also tripled down when they showed it again last night. You know where he you saw a little more. The clip in he was like I wish i wasn't i pay. I'm not this isn't verbatim. It was something like. I wish i wasn't a man. So he says bruce jenner. I wish i was bruce. Jenner in writing so all lynn. So yeah so. There was a On that threat of torri yesterday we were talking about. Maybe he means. Bruce banner. Who's the hulk and i was like. That's actually what i thought. Because bruce banner turns into the hulk in like he smashes people. So i was like. Maybe that's what he meant. Because bruce jenner doesn't exist anymore and he bruce jenner caitlyn. Jenner's so i was like giving him a little more benefit of the doubt that he didn't name her and then Because i saw your our will this he. That's like when. Let's like where i was like. Maybe means the hulk. Because that's what the hulk would do right. So maybe matt bruce banner but then we saw the A little more of the clip at the reunion last night and he was like he said something to the effect like. I wish i wasn't a man run so caitlyn i'm like so you want to identify the woman so you could beat other women up so that's really what made me actually changed my mind. That he was referring to bruce jenner because he wants to tram be trans for a moment so he could justify picking women's ass but then he also dead named her dislike. Get out of here here. Like so in the bad part about it is mooney just sat there. It seems like he would do it because he used to do for a living. I'm like so you're okay with your husband being like so when he started when he pulled us he's like i'm ashamed of my actions this that and the third and i'm like you do realize this came out months ago. Why was not brought up by anyone that he referred to bruce jenner as somebody detonator her caitlyn really. That's no longer take canisters ten-year-old tweets no by saying What bruce willis chris samuel said in what august rate it's late could if it was if it was talked about i know the show we saw three and a half hours of it so maybe a came up. It wasn't like i honest. I'm trying to think. I think we have had a secrets revealed for a few times. I don't know going one. I don't know. I feel like they've done. Maybe one but maybe just have it. I don't remember. I don't remember either. I would love to see the rest of iranian. I would spend eleven hours. Just watching them. I dislike Would want snow blogs lonzo. Whatever they do that eleven our so. I would watch every for conception of it right despite me just saying. I'm fucking tired of all this irving. I'll still watch the preliminary see. This is how this is how hilarious for us. We are talking about the three and a half hour real housewives of potomac fut- fifth season reunion. So i remember. Last year's dallas reunion wasn't earlier this year. I'm not even exactly sure. Because is this year was it earlier this year. I even remember. Because i'm sitting here like tom is a social construct. I don't know what year this construct this year for shared. The one was also this year. Like somebody pointed that out to me. And i was like it was. You're going to jail for pointing this out to me. Yes oh wow. This is this is crazy. I'm like okay. So i'm not. I'm not ready for this. This sucks this sucks. Like what the hell what. Mike lindell's had their one. They had the two and a have our reunion. 'cause i was like wait a minute. Why is one hour hour. I'm like wait a minute. What it was his extra having our four. And that's you know i loved. I have to say this is probably the first bringing where you got something out of all three parts. There wasn't a filler part of the reunion because of the seasons a lotta. The shows have like if they have multiple parts. There's one part that is like yes so yeah have cut. All of this out didn't have to show us this. I what are we doing. Most notably beverly hills new york and orange county. They are famous for those filler episodes. Like girl we don't care we don't care jersey sometimes but it depends on what they're talking about like i. It's far as i'm concerned. Jersey in dallas happened in like a lifetime. In which i don i. I can't either. But zombie lake put up a few months ago. So the i don't even know if that timelines job at some point recently They put a picture of the reunion. Where like danielle was like bitching about need. Not sitting next to andy in there like we just wanna remind you that this was earlier this year and i was just like puncher alone up is like you're gonna turn changed chico. Two the wifi. You don't deserve the internet anymore and get out get out. My face is like are you kidding me. Oh my gosh yes in each you're wrong. Jersey reunion was in march. Yes so i mean martin eighteen. I don't know the the the break in the year in march for everybody like february was a different year for everybody. I feel like there. Was this mini miniature year between twenty nineteen march. Twenty twenty. it's been. It's been like the longest five years and one year that i've ever had. Oh my this is a lot believe. This thursday really wasn't march. This is oh. I'm sorry to deliver this information. I feel like i feel good right. Now wait a minute hoops. You feel soups. I feel gupte and say oh. This is coming back this week. So that's why my gupte. Because i haven't watched drivers long time. I know that. I probably a missing a lot. There's so much good tv that like i don't there's people like kendrick watches ever re thing and i was like do you sleep. We should watch house of whole that reality show on hbo. Max and i started on like this is kinda cute. I've heard that asians in houston texas. I'm like like real. Yeah so there's the sample like kendrick. Who watched who also work from home idea but he unlocked. Tv while he works. And i actually listened to yells podcasts. Why work see. I listen to podcast when i was in office and now when i'm home it's like i don't know why it's hard for me to listen to a podcast but because i'm used to listening while i'm moving and doing things like if i'm if i'm going to like a store i'm like i pop earphones pop in popout poppy in my earphones. And listen to a podcast while i'm going i'm like. Yeah my mike was. Don't want to be in a while. Podcast ten. I listen to to let me listen to the read. Let me living like tons to choose from like. Yeah but he's sitting on my desk. I don't know it's like but for telework. I have to say it was like a are in the mood for him and i'm still behind like i probably months behind. I mean i'll like pick and choose more maurice because like what you like three weeks behind. It's like shit already happened. I want i like the jokes on. I like the interaction. But i've been choosing stuff. That's been like airing the last week or so to like listen to like. I listened to canada. And i listened to teresa's with y'all listen to half of that yesterday i re listened to the know that podcast with to rea- because she just simply by really Says how what are pinon is about this whole thing. i think that She also did a really good job of showing them that may be. Mony is not the best The best team to be behind but their unwavering. So that's fine. But i really liked the conversation. 'cause it was sumer respectful disagreement and i. I really wanted to listen to it any way again. Since i'm coming into this conversation with stephanie am when i listen to this diplomatic conversation again because you're really working on loves it. I love the plum ac- because that's what happened when in aaron we're on my show from bravo while black like they were team. Monique or more team. Neither team though neak and it was like our conversation with civil. And kyle was just talking to civil. I like this kind of conversation where we can just go. We don't agree. Yeah 'cause after a while is like okay so what's the point. I'm like there's some people like i don't care. I don't like candidates that's on period. I'm never going to change. And i'm like over it's like i do. I'm like i'll tell you how i feel and just sort of people that don't like her and the reactions like her and who else is there. There's another housewife. That i see. So it's definitely candice. bronwyn A people will use like vomit emojis. And i'm dislike your reaction to these. Housewives is vomiting. get yourself to a gi specialist. because that's not normal like you can dislike someone with our vomiting vomiting response to karen. So she can call your boss because she's so get back you a good and torralba gised because your relationship with bravo should not cause vomiting. No one is literally in a bad part about it is for orange county. There is no foam. No ways omega. Be watching this watch for broadens journey. But i can binge it way after the season where did not give them viewership. So that's what do i am here. I can wait. There's a lot of bronwyn story that on is of parallel to mind like she quit drinking. I did not have a out. I was not anywhere near in terms of alcoholism is she was but i also put drinking this year and were even though like. I didn't really have like a problem with alcohol. The shit that that comes up when you remove something like that from your life even though it's maybe not huge crotch or not physically addicted. It's hideous and i can imagine doing that on national tv. I cannot imagine it. This is a wave of emotion. Achieves like i don't even know how to. Yeah i gotta watch these episodes of brahman but is literally. Y'all y'all call me after the reunion. Let me know when a reunion because i think they filmed the reunion last week or the week before they charged. She loves god. Just like y'all. This is not a drill. Look how good. She looks like she's like. I heard y'all y'all one. Let me get some cute hair. I'm like yes darling. Please and she lost. She looked beautiful her hair makeup. Those beautiful. I'm like so us ignoring you to actually get your shit together. Okay got it will remember this in the past. And i wonder how much on rina's radar that were ignoring llc. Like i feel like kelly's only really the one that gets the feedback that like were boycotting. Because of he'll who's like If it means. She's blocked most of us. But i mean. I was actually acting like it was because her tamra weren't there. I'm like victoria. Nobody cares. I love when you call. They're very entire. Birth name is like when we were upset with them. I don't leave us alone. Should the hello nobody will. I will say if they had walked out. Kelly dot input in tampa. In vickie. I woulda watched i would have. I would have done it. Missile those people though actually like. And it's like i who but i still would have watched dallas too. I don't know if they're going to be very boring or not. Exactly i was like i'm here for dr moon. This is dr moon stand account. That's one how was she your favorite and she'd even been on the show like look. Who else would be like. I honestly liked cameron last season. Pingpong balls out lose. He killed me. I'm like if you don't leave us alone. Lags pig paulblanco out. Why wait what one of them hit me. You got a girl. I can't even do this. I'm like y'all are in thailand. Y'all winter weather. These shows. i do like see. They still use the offensive term offensive. Till i people lady laney. Yes so they use it for them. It's not offensive for a lot of other people who are trans jason. They're like yeah. Don't ever call me that. I wouldn't never have called whether they used to use it in thailand or not I think i would have said. I'm going to go to the ping pong show right because i'm like i don't even know what the like i don't remember. The show was called. But yeah i'll be watching. Dial was for dr moon and also we are recording this on monday december twenty eighth and we both got the notification that deandra. Simmons is in the icu. Covid i saw that. I was like ham. Imagine i don't know if they're filming either. I i think they did rep philly but our homegirl was on twitter. Those last weekend. I mean as far as i can tell i can go pretty fast lane you can feel sick. And in the icu. Immediately like stay. It all depends on who you are. So because i'm like oh that's awful. That's awful awful. I don't wish stat type. I don't wish that disease or death from disease on anybody in clues our president when he was sick and people like i help you die now just like oh i no. You need to live at least until november fifth. Well there's also like let's finish the story and finish it right with your ass in jail but it's also like wishing that death of from covid on somebody is. I don't wish that on anybody dying alone dying because you're drowning. Your lungs filled with fluid. Like this sounds so awful. That i'm in. I wasn't unhappy that he caught it. I love a in freud alone. I knew he would be fine because he has access to everything that one could need to get better and also because he's a rich white man. I'm like no because he's the president of the united states. That's is it's like. What are you doing but rich. White men are the president of the united states. I think that if he had caught this as the If he had called his in february and he was no longer the president he would have probably been able to access the same treatment but it wouldn't have been free. he wouldn't have that free as healthcare. None of us have will yeah. Yeah so I i wish the best for deandra who is in the hospital with this. Because that's i. I can't imagine and i don't wish that fan of i do not wish this on anyone this. It sounds so frightening. I was like yeah. I don't want like people like yeah. Go let them down like yet. No i don't need him to be a martyr before election day and i was like. Yeah no. I need him to live. And now at this point like he till january nineteenth you were talking about the the podcast with theresa and money and sochaux like hello. Everybody needs a report twitter account but then somebody else's like i hope that he doesn't get picked up in a helicopter but evict excellence like a cop car. Patty maga- we're going to we're going to take you to your new home sir back. I'm good album right in the bud. I definitely interested to see how his platform plays out. There's been some concern that he could run again in twenty twenty four because his base is so strong but if he's a fallon i don't think he can run for president so let's see. Let's see. frothy cannot sugar costed i. I mean i don't have a crystal ball real. But if i look in my fake cristobal. The future is bright. His nombre for him. So you are. Am i out of pocket. You are not that is talk about potomac and this reunion. Show the emails fun. It was just like i'm like this week. This season with what we saw on camera All of the phantom all the behind the scenes the lives the tweeds the stories that has all encompassed on this being one of the darkest seasons of real housewives show. I've seen in a very long time. If it wasn't the. I think. I think a friend of mine pointed out that she thought atlanta when they were Giving the rumor that candy drug and was going to drug and rape vedro. She said. I think that one was darker and i think i see why she thought that because she was just talking about what was on the show and at the reunion and i was like i can see that. I think i'm just including the fan because man it was getting like if it's not already lucy lucy apple juicy levels of crazy okay. So this is a lot it was like. Whoa what is going on here. So i was so glad at first. They were talking about before parts. And i'm like what do they have to talk about. Four edited hours and the out. It's three parts in. The last part is ninety minutes. And i'm like this is going to be. I think i watch way more as we already discussed right like this so many conversations that could have gone longer and some. That didn't need to go on longer. But i'm glad to certain extent like bethany. Says they hashtag mentioned it. All you need to. There's a lot of stuff that happened on this season so you watched all three parts. Do you feel lighter or do you like i still have questions so i have questions lake and i think some of the women answered in other podcasts. So i'm okay with those answers. Such as why does kansas gets the brunt of monique's anger when It really should have been diesel but then at the same time there's like will itself did say it on the show but monique didn't know that at the time and it's really this rumor that's being perpetuated someone called gee-gee it doesn't really all add up like hand is being reprimanded by monique at the beginning of the season for having her having cerise at a party which i agree should have given a heads up like if she knew there was beef i agree. That's respectful But if monique so matic hand as for inviting Stories to a party in being friends with her one. It's really all about gee-gee in the first place. And then i mean i might have all this wrong but like so. It sounds like theresa's involved. She's barely on the seer. The season and then also monique scott. Some hand in the pot to like helping to stir the cauldron so like how does why is he getting all this and then I think theresa said it on the know that podcast. She said she thinks that Monique quits working to like get canvas office. Show 'cause nobody wanted her around And that she was happy to like klay nice nice with giselle despite knowing dissolves involvement because i agree with this because more than one person says it as well like that everybody wants to be good with the green bandits like there. The girls of the show. So that's a kendrick cap. Take and i'm like that's the cancer take. It is hot. Take i'm like i don't think their main points were taught at all. Think it's i think it's human nature to one of you liked by the popular girls. I'm just like ooh look and i could see that. Yeah and i think that if it's not the green eyed bandit she definitely wanted in zell like there's a self appointed like i'm the queen bee this show situation that's going on with this l. but people don't disagree with that they it's like they disagree and don't disagree and they're like let's get somebody in nettle dethrone giselle and they're like yep 'cause can't mony came in here and got under zell scan. I'm like so i. So i hear y'all to like before mony got there. They had been like. Oh i don't know six or seven seasons tell me she literally came and season two. I was like what y'all give. This dog is way too much credit. I might make no mistake when it comes to. The faces of that franchise is karen ashley. And it's like as much as i just like ashley i'm like. Even i could admit this girlfriend carries that show because she got a storyline. Every damn here is lousy is other stuff is her shit. Her mama her white daddy. Don't want her. i'm like what is i'm like. How is she able to carry this show and start. She starts mess on that show and because she's so transparent with her life she has literally the self drag of the show at the same time like literally her life is a self drake. Okay like i don't there's at all and she league housewife. I'm like that's the problem. Like yeah and i listen to Interview with her recently on sarah frazier's podcast and when they were talking is like i'll start in ask this question. But the way that she was talking about what our life is like. And she's so abby. And i just want to be a mom. I'm like i feel like if ashley it's ever off. The show is going to her choice. She's going to be like. I'm going to walk away. I think fit. Yeah i think she's trying to also build that This is a new term to me. Thinks he's trying to build out lily pad hopper the fuck gov. I'll stop doing it. I'm like yes see. You won't stop you need you need to do it. It was like really do need to do it. Mike you like. He showed him so. I'll have to post nup. I'm like yes. I feel like you still do that. But if you're like looking at like i might not be into this long term. You're like yeah. I don't need it but she did say michael was her person. And i'm like i look is not for me to decide. I don't care just keep bringing yourself drag storyline and keep stirring the mess. So if i can just forget how messy she truly is. And i'm like this is why we're eric up. Saying candidates mouth is so reckless. I'm like so this is how i know. Y'all don't watch this. Show the way that i watched the show or literally. Just watch the show period. You may seen a couple of episodes from other seasons and like just was invested in this because of the fight because a lot of people came to potomac this season because of all the stuff that happened after the fight last october there was a lot of tea like oh i guess i asked a better watch this season because i haven't been watching season two and it's like i need to wash all of these seasons. I think that. I think i certainly didn't enter the season expecting to defend kansas. One minute i will tell you that right now seem like the same story. She threw a drink on mony mony thin herself. And i'm like. I honestly i had very little information on the site I actually just have not appreciated her mouth. And i wanted to touch on this a little bit An because of you guys. That i have i've realized Make relationship with caller ism. It also like some back until it what we were just talking about like how everybody wants to be good with. The green eyed bandits are zell or the top three are actually And just al and karen and like. I know that there's people on the show that are of of later complexion than maybe karen but i think that like especially the wanting to be like in with the cool kids in that the cool kids are the ones with the european features like it says a lot and i had not until i was forced to this season. I was really. I didn't really i i was. I was not an ashley apologised. But i just didn't really see that like the shipment she was doing as as damaging as it was. And when it's been pointed out to me that like maybe that i'm not seeing the ashley. aggression but i'm seeing the darker women's aggression like i felt and i'm catching myself with these words to when i described at a wendy's first trip to money house like i used the word aggressive. I've used that word for candace. And i i didn't realize that perhaps that i color ism was affecting the way i was seeing this show. And it's eye-opening. It's uncomfortable for me to say this because it's embarrassing but i know that we're all learning and Yeah so. I am thankful that i all of you to like. Explain it to me do that. Emotional labor keep like all of all people who are watching this show who are not a black people to like remind them that they have a different lens in which they watch the show this plan. This is perspective that you might want to consider like to consider at the way the people of color watch the show especially black women. Yeah so the thing about it is like i saw that early on and then i saw one of brooke ashley reviews and i'm like oh so i'm not the only one who saw this because i'm like why are you. Why are you calling a wendy ferocious. Now when robbing win to us to confront ashley. She had to zell with her when she went after. She was explained to her mom and her brother. She said they were aggressive. So she has so. I think for ashley. She was like used that term for other people But she didn't say to her face. You said were aggressive. When monique threw out of her house. The first thing was like okay. You're being a little aggressive. However comma athlete called wendy ferocious robbing came to your damn restaurant to beat your ass and you're not calling her ferocious like but and that's the thing they were like. They didn't see it. And i feel like for monique. She would've understood this conversation with colors. She would have had a better grasp. If she had hit ashley darby. You would have saw a very different conversation if she had hit. Karen huger now. Only because karen is lighter but she's a fan favourite. There will not be team. Unequal would not be team on knicks. They would be. They will be team. Karen they carry. And even with ashley as much as people like as much as like a whole lot of people like she's so messy she so this she still is somewhat of a fan favorite and you will send a lot more people talking about how aggressive and hood and bad monica's on his show on i want her off. It was like no she. We don't tolerate that here but because it was against candidates people were like. Oh no. it's fine. Because i don't like her. I'm like so that's not how this works. How this works. I'm like i came into the season going. I didn't necessarily like mony. Because i caught what she was doing. With the whole kendall thing now people are like she was gunning for Monique since sees her first day on on the show and i went back and watched season. Two and i'm sitting here like you were doing all of this. You are like plotting with her boyfriend's ex wife. You're filming with her. You are going out of your way to embarrass her about jamal. And this is all starting from the fact that she was not impressed that you had four homes girl this nine the same thing people like oh. She was shady to her. So she brought up sermons criminal past. Sherman has nothing to do with giselle that whole scene unless she was a sex worker. Then why are you bringing this up and if it is is like even when it came my i didn't even i. This is from season three. When are thinking about it but The umbrella was season three so when she came to candidates wedding and she was like mommy. I want to apologize to both of you at the same time. And it was like design. One here it. I'm like ma'am you. You took it to this place of a were involving our personal relationships where involving children we're involved. We're we're doing that so for her to say like y'all try to hurt my family like so you don't think bringing up jamal's past that literally a good amount of new. I'm like i'm from baltimore. I know exactly who brian is. I know who this man is like. I've seen stuff. 'cause theresa used to go to his church and it was like. Yeah 'cause when she says she will. Cause i don't she's on me. I heard you unpack gong. All my god somebody else new. I'm like gear. Houston step down for three months. They brought him back in three weeks. Like we're losing money. You need to come back. Girl stop what are and new birth to have him step down. So hey y'all hello friends. Senior pastor used to be at newburgh was eddie long and twenty ten twenty eleven allegations of him. I'm being sexually inappropriate with Young boys was brought up and some of them were aged like maybe age appropriate but again the age of consent is sixteen in georgia stake in In two thousand seventeen eddie. Long died as senior pastor of newbirth. They did not remove him he died. That's why jamal. Brian is there like y'all y'all gotta stop this. I'm like oh see y'all they did remove any long. He may not have been preaching much but he was still senior pastor of new birth. So i'm like before you do all this whole. He needs to be removed thing like so. Y'all might want to google's some things come back to me and when you've got to research because they come to me with like oh. We need room because he slept with a girl like what girl families it sounds like. Eddie eddie created a pretty high bar for what it takes to get removed right. Don't care you don't care. So i think my feeling after washington reunion i was like. Yeah yeah i'm kinda done with your all. It's like i was like. I mean like i didn't like her actions but i'm like yeah. We'll need to come back. Come back and fix this. But yeah i think the The statement that she made last night to candace when she was actually looking at her and basically said it wasn't about you in the moment and i completely snapped I like she said more than my but offered her apology letter. No she was triggered like this conversation. I know it took her awhile to get there but as candy said it has been three hundred sixty five days if she has even set a semblance to about statement even if she didn't steal it yet because she knew she was going to get. There may have taken some work with her therapist and pastor. You probably knew she was going to get there because she was speaking of the pastern was like she didn't deserve this crying so if she had just come up with a two sentence statement that was even closer what she said last night we could have put this whole thing that bed and we could have had her all season and i really am sad if she's not actually returning in any capacity that we don't get to see her dynamic with the the rest of the cast Especially wendy i think that chelsea opportunity because she gets to know wendy was saying i. I don't know what's going on and i. Yeah we're going to run the game on this. I can't wait Yeah chelsea proper has been like really feel the. I agree with it but she wendy probably would the The kids that they have and the The climb their lives are pretty similar. I think they probably could have established. Real are a few like the not that far apart in nays await knows her. And ashley age and i think that like also. There's probably some things like wendy could've imparted upon In terms of like ways to conduct yourself. I don't think that conversation at karen's house was from women because she don't really know wendy and read. It's also inappropriate to place. The blame shimon leak shoulders. That behavior of black women. Like i don't think that's appropriate because it doesn't act on behalf of all blacks way does not and the thing about it is. It's like always been of two minds of when she was saying it. I love you know team turn. I loved him kerm. But i just want you oughta realize you noticed caryn negate what she said when she was sitting there. She hopped on twitter indicated. It i'm like sweetheart wide. You say nothing then you like. Why didn't you say anything. Because i saw it up to minds because i got what wendy wendy was saying. Wendy does fox news when she was the only black person in the room so she own. She has is weird that we put this role on any oppressed group when aaron all white space that they have to be the representation of whatever oppressed group. You're part of and it's like that isn't fair and it's like one moaning doesn't speak for all black people should be in the bad part about it. Is i think wendy was talking about it. From a scrutinize ation is not that inserted. Walk around like you're representing. All black. people is just that when you do something bad. You're representing all black people for somebody you know that there wa- yeah you know way people are watching. You know that what they what they think about us already. He ought to be intentional. Yeah you have to last me and what got me was that a lot of people were acting like wendy pulled that out of her s and i'm like she didn't because a lot of people were like how dare you say that i'm like but y'all say that shawn on watch basketball wise love and hip hop bad girls club for the exact reason that wendy just said you like. I'll watch that stuff. I'll know fighting his hood. We don't do that. Oh no we need better representation for us. Because i saw those articles that is what they said. And i'm like wait a minute. I've ever to now like i don't want us for atlanta. But they're not find the food. This is how we want to represent our black women right and i as a white woman. Don't really get to say anything much. Further than i have but undercuts the ends. I saw the arguments like but she's right. She don't represent all black women and and the better part about is no one in that room negated was she said. No one didn't say that's a little unfair to monique now. Kern if you thought that was unfair when you say something because you actually agreed is like don't see. This is what i'm like. Current is so good line like did you negate anything that wendy sending it. You didn't get anything that giselle said she's like we have to hold ourselves above board because they're watching us because they're all white potomac. I'm like i know you'll see all these black women hotel make but cerise literally said the reason why she couldn't find more black who lives in potomac is because of how potomac is. That's why she had to go outside and go get people from bethesda and virginia and baltimore. They live in bethesda but it was like she had to find people. That would actually do it. In like potomac is very very white. A lot of people think is not like oh baby is definitely is. It's like. I don't know if y'all know this but it is but it's like she can find a lot of people and that show was built around cerise jackson jordan because she does live in potomac. My like ooh my girl. So what did we think about the shown the fastest of the of the whole season. Or we're talking about the reunion. What did you think of that. I think yellow that other yellow on all of them looked amazing as invisibly white woman. I cannot wear yellow so i was. I was in awe of just out beautiful color and look look at all of their I'm you cannot see in zoom. But i'm like this. Is my coffee cup. Mark i not i have no. I am no hugh. She's not everything she's no. Hugh knows zero. That's going to be acted search. Should i start a foundation line of for people who are invisible like me. You know of a mess on every word funny so i'm an invisible woman. I don't think the yellow looks good on me but that color on all of them. Good that i'm candice. We saw the photos did not was just like i had the like. Do a double take of how crazy. It looked at actually look like a good on stage. I am going to say that I think robin's dress with like my favorite. I don't know about the turtle neck part. But i liked fit her. i liked. It had a nice lake still key satin situation going on. I don't know why but in terms of gazelles dress like why anyone be dazzles anything i land not cloud. I am not in to fashion that much but like if dazzling his and i have no idea it. Thanks when i don't remember too much about what he was wearing. I remember her looking like very disney princess. She i told i i'm like now hear me out. Wendy isn't a sit-down dress. Because when she was standing in the picture people like like address when she sat down she had her legs crossed like the shoes. She looked amazing. I'm like see y'all this is my argument. This is a sit-down dress. There's some dresses that are good for the red carpet. But then it's like whoa and then you look at the but then there are just as like you see him on carpet but then they sit down like okay. that's it. yeah. That's how. I felt about canvases dress. Like you could see that it was like the bow separate from the whole thing like really just seems the bow and like how that sits on like the like beat it. I had no idea to lie. I think she had like just walked away crying. Have that little lake flapper. I short on whoever the designer was i saw. She had tagged with his own. I'm like oh okay. That's why i'm going look at it a different way like when she walked away crying and could see. The friends like friends like like. I just wanted in little little tangent like i know. He's an extremely tiny women. Woman and life close tend to look a lot just like look certain. The status is a certain way for women who are small. And i'm not. I'm i'm really doing hard time. I'm really hard trying hard not to like body shaming all because she is a fin tiny woman and. I'm not saying that people who aren't stat don't look good and close but she looked the way her body shape is insane like she somehow nice body she really does with that body the tiny tiny but never but she still has like a booty. Honor like i'm when she was like crawling around in that catsuit. I was just like i was like okay. Give you that brown nick. Okay i see it what's going on. Okay my okay. You be having a little curse but they come is like papa gobi carrot and what's the rest of money money. I did not mean that by. What's her name. I just literally forgot my forgiving. I feel like monique is google gorgeous. Mike whatever she had on her skin that like she was just glowing. I feel like there was also bedazzled situation on her. Which is makes me like next and then karen and like i know that something about that like clear. Taffeta thing where her clear bro. So there's i know this is a thing that like it's in 'cause i see it all the time we're like they'll be like a like a really low v. and it'll be clear taffeta and it really just reminds me of like ninety s outs ice skating out fence so like i can still see that. Pass on yeah so can. Can i just tell you what was really funny. The first time. I saw the picture of karen in her dress are had I have flashbacks to prom. And i went to promise ninety eight we had junior and senior raw so okay so what else. There are people like way. You have two problems. I'm like yeah. Yeah doesn't everybody. They're like no like really. I'm like oh yeah so yeah junior junior prom they like. The upperclassmen was the senior prom. I feel like a lot of people had addressed similar to carry. That took me back to high school. Now that it was a bad dress. I was just like. Why do i feel like this is from my sing your like my junior prom like as it reminded me of prom. But karen looks. I'm so glad that karen upgraded her hair man going back and watching. The first season told me because like who. And it's like. Hey y'all has not changed. Karen has she definitely had the best. Come i've seen is karen like it. Call it a blow off absolutely long longest the right shade the The makeup is great. So ironic so this is really funny. So the guy know. Jeremy who does a lot of the housewives he stopped caring for this reunion riley knocks which is Monique's moaning s- best friend. She's best friend from. Dj richie sky. So he said that repeatedly and so has she rallied style. Monique and lisa nicole. Cloud major else dress. I was like look all these gravel ups. Okay leasing a coal cloud. And i'm like yuk. I get the fashion. I'm glad there were like we were just want you to be with a Very good stylus fall cloud. I'm going to need you to stop using the bedazzle. Please check the calendar ship. Pitch remember girl wait teller. Darren tell her you're married. What a fair game. I was like. Oh i take this shit too because this is waiting. Do you lunatic do you lunatic. She called me up and told her. Husband is a break-up say y'all over say you're married with children like girl he'd been seen before you became his wife and you still married that sheet and i wish that the podcast could see some like when i was calling at least nicole like i have my to my face and i want. I want the accident. You having to hide yourself in your snuggie and to laugh like ninety. Pardon me pardon me. Check check We need to release like fifteen seconds of email to like. This is great. That's awesome lurs but the the nineties skater outfit with the lake. The new taffeta like i. It triggers me just makes me think of nancy. Kerrigan and reminds reminds me the category is. I advocated The category is the pay. Rupaul's drag blades comes back this week l. i. day category gets good. See completely out of it so we got three and a half hours for union. Which is i think this is the longest reunion ever with three and a half. Typically at the most is three parts but atlanta was with with federal and the reveal was for parts. It was it was. It was and i will never forget that because i was just like yet i mean i might be alone but i love the reunion. It's traumatizing for everybody. And the kids love watching the because something always comes out like we look below about. Why so much going on. This is sad time. I see somebody lie on the on camera and the during the season. I want my brands. Like you know your acids getting recorded you know. We're we're talking about this at the reunion and then also i'm just like i'm just like i can't wait for that to come up later when you can't run away like you've got to address it because you know i'm glad you brought that up because when i think about a good reunion reunion that portion kenya gotten to the physical altercation work so in one reunion. We got porsche dragon. Kenya down some stairs. Me say. I said what. I said and read of the century from federal. That was all in the same damn reunion like wait a minute the check. Check that with your media pizzas all the same the same drag down the stairs. That happened in the first part. Of course it didn't come back after that health care is like i guess about this as you are about the reunion for new jersey being in march that gives me now. I need to just go back and watch all the reunions for atlanta. Because they aren't the soundbite rude so as we see each other also from same reunion. I'm trying to think of it was like you know i think i. G project of goldstar housewives niimi links gold star housewife. I don't it was like i. i'm i'm blown away for. I've just realizing the magnanamity of the bullshit that those ladies latest justin the reunion. I'm just out of breath. I gotta look down so both of these sizes day worked so fucking hard for us. So right when you when you talk about lucy apple juicy and is does denise sleep with women. Sometimes it's just i'm girl. I'm like we denise this all wrong. I would have my girl. Why are we talking about this. Don't joe have something else to do. I mean i i understand. Why like. I if denise is actually sexually fluid i would not have wanted to necessarily admit that on. Tv because people are not down with that it's she. I feel like she would have probably endured some some negative negative press. And that's something. Denise richards has lived with for a really long time so i probably would have denied it to as much as she did. Because it's no one's fucking business. But i i think i think that she could have shut it down really easily and just been lake. Y'all i fucked brandy like we're not look my box. Okay so what else is going on granada. You're not as. I'm not doing this if we're not if we're as bad as the worst person we've had sex web then like is to me. I should be in jail. Like man is like i Somebody should be dragging me across the table because With my wig me holding onto my week mercy you say she like my box. I'm sorry this is like the best. that's we get. We did get bubble fucking bravo screen. Names that are thanking her for that pretty much like let me leave me alone so got so. What else do i need. A snuggie to highlight face stuff. I have mine. And i've had mine for a long time. Noticed makes nuggets at this point. I don't know either. The only i don't like this thing is like the best. Okay so do you think we needed three and a half hours. I like more. But i was just gonna say. We talked about this a little bit ago. Like i could've watched all eleven uncut hours. Hello like would've you this. I would have sit through them. Getting their make touched up. I want to sit through their lunch. I to sit through it all. Because i would i i love a fricken reunion. So i'd my answer is. It's always too short unless it's boring season. And that's the thing this it had no filler episodes. Can i just tell you. mon weeks. makeup artist k dempster on instagram. He used amber lights on heart lid. And that took me straight on back. Because i i didn't wear make up when i was a young teenage girl. I didn't start wearing makeup until like later on in college and after college in one of the first high end i settled the ever got was mac amber lights i was like no i gotta go back and get lights because man. That looks good on brown skin. She hurt her makeup her glam. All season has been amazing. He's been doing her makeup all season. But i was like me go reopened some amber lights because man this like oh me straight back. I loved her little. I love the ponytail. I think they all as a group looked great. And i think find. I'm like yes so many win because everybody knows they're not the best dressed cast but i thought this was a beautiful view even when they were wearing all white last year i thought if they all wear the same color they look amazing. A group photo so the yellow. I'm like i'm all for it. I was like i loved it I was very impressed by karen. I know people didn't like the crimson robins hair. I'm like i get it. It was like i didn't either. I don't around here. i don't know what you're going for. I thought her makeable great a great local. I think collectively. Everybody looked great in late. Some meam about robin's hair where it looked where somebody like super imposed. Cvs receipt on right. Oh my god about her hair. I'm glad she's being a good sport about it. I think that's the good thing about robin and wendy. The very sports all the ford like the degree means about her. She laugh at them. Like i get posted a bunch. That like when i would request one other people's means you would be mine like she's following me posted me and i'm like okay. She's a good sport. I i think for this. You've got to be a good sport and for this will be her first season. She's a good sport. I'm like oh hey on you. So let's dive into the conversations. So let's start with the versus stuff. Giselle versus karen now. This is probably one of my favorite front relationships in any any housewives franchise because you know they just gonna shade. Each other back is not gonna get violent. We'll get to that It won't give violent and you kind of knew some of this stuff was coming. You know in some of the press. That karen has done with interviews. She always brings zell up. And i'm like now. Karen i get it. So it's like they're the best kind of frenemies in the history of this show. They shade each other and a lot of people. Forget the kinda shady things that karen has done to zell. 'cause they're like giselle the unlike y'all karen is to is like she's very messy her and dissolve the same way because if they say just allies girl care will ball as lots of your face and it was like so them are talking about jamal and beauty. It was like. I thought it was a little bit more evenly matched when knows to always have is more evenly matched to me. Because i'm like well. You both been nasty to each other. But when karen was at the beginning it after losing both of her parents within a month to six week time the first person that got up to go see her was giselle and it was like she cares about you. It was like this. I was like i know y'all have like this thing but i think they genuinely do love each other. That's why care wanted to bring her to surrey. I'm like you'll like her. But you bring it onto your hometown to meet. You'll be family. I'll buy that like because you actually are friends and then having this dynamic is willing cute for the show like i know he won't go too far but it's like they still have loved there in this like but i enjoy their i. I enjoy their banter. I don't know what it is. I'm like it feels. Like is an opportunity without them like shading other every two seconds. Couple of thoughts on that Firstly i don't dig on l. making fun of 'cause they're like woods in vail seven years return. You like to bring gale elise which you don't wanna see y'all now i mean i think that leg at the point when which she's making fun of Karen about robin tasks like giselle might have been forty nine and i can imagine maybe at forty nine thinking someone that fifty six or fifty seven is like when i'm not that old like you know not realizing or not wanting to realize that you're about to be in your fifties like what ledley might affect some ten years old. She's not victoria. What are you doing. Yeah and the other couple things. I wanted to stay is I think that karen probably brought her surrey because she feels. I think she feels like there's a competition with her giselle and my lake. She probably wanted her to be like like this. Is my history bike. Not like me but more like i want you to understand me a little more i want i feel maybe like to shut down some of that. Shade also to Make so become introducing yourself introducing your friends. Your family especially on Your family home in what your family has like created generational wealthy now owned the plantation. Their family was slaves on. Like i feel like she wants to create a vulnerable narrative. So like giselle Dislike eased up on her. A little bit is maybe a was a driving force there. i don't. i don't know that. I necessarily believe it's because they are bff since she just wants to be around her and i feel like there was like an underlying reason which was like i want her to see like where i'm coming from what i am what my family is capable of and the third thing about. Giselle her wanting to be the source of comfort and the mediator. I have this theory that people who do that. are actually trying to put the spotlight on themselves like A little bit later. So i know that this is a pastime of giselle xl where she's the first lady and she's an active mediator and i think that she has a lot of experience in it and i think that there's also something ego boosting of out being the mediator and being the first person if someone turns that that the first person that you that that goes to someone when they're in pain. I think that there is a level two that that is. I don't believe that she's on carrying does not care for karen. I think there might be something more egotistical. Driving it bouts. That's 'cause like other other housewives that have done this like. I'm always skeptical of somebody. Who's like trying to be the mediator like heather gay out of the gate. Also i'm i'm just like first of all little curler. She really is. She sounds like she might have a little stockholm syndrome about her friend. Jan and she. I also get the the idea that she wants to nourish her because she's Gem clearly in pain. The constant needs to be a mediator. I always like have my eye on on. That person was like y'all stop trying to make this happen is like leap. I like the front of me. Dynamic between karen and giselle i really do. I feel like they were bust. Best these all of a sudden. I'm like what the fuck is this like. You'll be in so fake like it was like. I need the front anything i'm like. Potomac really does need that. I'm like see that's their thing. It don't work in atlanta. Because they know how to read each other was like told me yagi up there. But y'all like the high society ladies whip potomac. We have to treat ourselves so you going to do what they do. In atlanta so it was like i think this franchise they just need i down between cairns zell. I enjoy it because even at the end of the reunion. She's like. I know you can't hear this right now. And it's like yeah. She's not going to hear this right now. Karen maybe you can like go to you. Know the tea room in dc with her like three most when we opened back up. I'm just kidding. We're opening backup in three years. So it's like you're gonna go on. Maybe watch three union. She might have been in a place to receive it. Maybe because it's like they didn't. They filled it a few weeks ago. So i don't yeah again like that was in november. I'm sorry to do this to you at time. i'm sorry oh my god god. November was worse so last month. I'm so oh. My god megani january. I'm sorry hope fine. Time is no time to toast coast. This is such a social construct. What is going on all know what day what day as this now. It is monday us. I have a case of the mondays when it comes to time at this point okay verses i did want to say that even when they do fight like they were fighting crime showed up like only almost lost act. So get the hell out. I apply my parents yelling at her and she called her founded. I've notice is probably set up because we know minds coming and the word of the use of the word going here and flake like what the fuck is going on. Well they seal was coming. But i feel like they told karen to use over clown because it works so well. 'cause like giselle out with. She broke. She broke a street facebook. Not really and that's that's the climate. I was lying. I'm somebody who has a fear of clowns. I feel like just like away from me clowns. Evil there's nothing scarier than get the fuck away. I'm a mind what you all you pay. He's gotta my face again moment. I'm you you. I just need to go somewhere else. Karen straight got out of her seat. I don't think he was into there. They'll probably produces there. Hey come back so this is for. Monique feels like got that glass of wine in cairns like stop engaging him and she's like what am i supposed to right there. That's that's the kind of movement that i really to sell later. Quick army and look even though they were screaming they stare and then he was posed. I'm only page a handsome prize. Because at co clock you with their purse like mama. dorothy. I feel like you'd be like oh. I got hazard pay. What is the hands of pay. She popped in head with a pocket book. A girl god the list talk about a not fund l. versus. Monique and her binder. I so i had heard from theriault from i think bravo might. Omg lynn account called bravo mgm. That they had Stack it said this will be rocketing. And then when we saw that first episode. I was like who on. What else is in that binder. What's gonna happen. We never stole the fucking binder again so bummed about that. I wanna know what's in the tab called mony i wanna know. What's the tab called former friend. Actually just get me a photocopy of that binder. She should just show it on her. Only get onlyfans. Monique shown on youtube youtube page. You'll get lots of traction on they fans to read the binder is like see you you looking for different stuff mony. Mummy voters giselle was very interesting for me because is full of shit. Like ma'am you were doing all of this. You went drik horace on your relationship which is out. Even though you're really don't have a relationship per se but she were like ongoing scorched earth and you brought up this whole thing which was ladies fuck about jomaa. I'm like girl still still juicy. It was like wow and she was like yeah but she also made. It seem like the person that his ex was like a complete stranger and she wasn't because you know her like wait a minute it's like ma'am you've been friends with her for a couple of years you you're like some random stranger came into my mentions and gave me this. I'm like. I'm pretty sure she just forwarded you the tax because y'all have each other's phone number and like monique why you on this nail you as you said you'll labs that after the first couple of bravo's like if you don't shuts down stop it. She said on her live out of her mouth. This plot was supposed to come up at the season for reunion. Do before season five filming was going on. That zell was participating in a plot. Y'all see my air quotes plot on doing this to you so you knew that she was doing this and you still did solo scenes with her. You went to lunch. You broke bread. You were slapping five. You let this woman into your home and road car with her to newburgh. How and this is somebody who has watched mob wives. And if you know drita geneva is the epitome of it is on site so for you to say you know. I wanna get to for this. You need to explain to me. Like i'm three. Why wasn't on site for giselle brian. There's no way she could come in my house. If we go on a group events. I will be cool because this is how i'm like. Well she could've said she had to film with her. She didn't have some solo single. Her there are a lot of ladies on atlanta. That don't get along you. Don't see them filming. Solo scenes a lot of wives on shows. They don't get along. You don't see them filming solo with them. Is it a group of aunt at the most it just known each other. I think the rea- said it well in this circles back so late we want to be friends over. Like i think that not only considered doing all destroying our jobs But also Being in with being undesirables good side bodes well for people on the cats. So i do i personally. My brain could not reconcile knowing she was involved with the questioning that maternity tense plots to bring this up on the show and ruin monique's family i would not be able to reading sale. This and Ah lower in my home and speak to my husband. I will say that that Showing that cnn last night where we did see. I'm during the season where chris was like. Baby looks a lot like me doesn't he. And she's like Yeah why why. Why would he. And now he's thinking like bitch she were your challenge. You believe exact on aired. Seen of her the rumored are like see. There was a plot. I'm like no. She's a saying there's a woman i don't know about i cannot. I'm not about to say whether. I think that that that they were trying to get monique's off the show or their family or whatever. I could not reconcile. But i don't believe that monique totally has. I'm not dipping my toe into the diagnosis pool. But i don't think that. I think she has the ability to push aside feelings to her Because we see what happens when they surface correct So i feel like she probably pushed aside those feelings And did what she needed to do for the show and Because it bodes well for her as a cast mate to not be on giselle bad side. Maybe there's a little bit of light if i become this girlfriend. Perhaps this politician. I love kansas. Use that word. By the way this plot tation while not can retain my words. I make my own words so i love it. I loved ends. So perhaps the plot won't continue. She'll shut it down if we're like become friends and marked it. I'm very confused about because this a season. Four the reunion on that you guys have so much more did because that's a big. That's what said they were going to bring to the season for reunion. And i'm like they didn't and it is. You're saying that when. Chris says she was the ma- main plotter. I'm like i feel like y'all giving just way too much credit in this because it was g g g went with two production. She's like i never talked to giselle. So how is the main plotter of this. And she wasn't even in with all the information you bring an insurance and ashley went on her story or her live saying cherise had nothing to do with this. And i'm like okay so y'all you need more teeth. Monique your dinosaur needs more teeth because you is crumbling is like what are you girl is like your set is now. She say she's a unless you have concrete proof which by the way you do not that she was trying to hurt your family you just having is more of you just want to believe it because you don't like to sell and it's like it's fine you don't have to. She don't like yours either. So i mean. I feel like you're either so i had this theory when it comes to monique and giselle. She was ready to play cool which is on the began and try to act like she wasn't involved in a plot the minute that zeldin take her side and the physical fight she was like. I want nothing to do if you she was like. Oh so then. I don't have to act. We jumping cool so now. I can do this because i have a feeling if she had taken. Monique side. In this fight none of this would have happened and showed the rodney the voice. Because i'm like. Yeah that totally makes sense. Like i certainly been there once you with we. Have you tell their secrets or week. Between me and a friend and uses heart if you you severed out your secrets anymore. And it's not along. the was. The guy from the black socialites. May his soul rest in peace. That's what happened with him and cherise they had a falling out and then all of a sudden he had no problem not keeping her secret anymore and then he got really really cool with monique. And i don't know she sought him out. He started or she just adult. How that happened and i think he's explained it as other interviews. He's done. I think he kind of explained it. Because that's the thing it's like. He used to run theresa's website. He starred the black socialites and he has been to premiere parties. And he's like. Yeah so now. It's like all of a sudden you only really talking about candice. Giselle karen basically anybody. That was cool cherise. He was nasty. He was either putting out tea or saying kinda rude things about them on the page. Almost say cool. Like i think it was going back and forth. And so when chris mentioned it when he said the blogger who went after my children he was talking about him. Because kyle Key was trying to talk about his kids. I think he reached out to maybe his ex. I don't know if he was successful. But he basically tried to label him a deadbeat dad. And it's very interesting to watch people get mad at how somebody retaliates. You actually did threaten his family. You bring up all this information about his ex and his kids. Mind you christmas. Said on that show that he has. He doesn't have a good relationship with his older child. He has said that so that is not anything really new in this. So why would you bring all of this up so you had no problem so to watch. Disalvo do the thing that she said. I'm so mad. Somebody would do this to me. I'm like ma'am you're not above this. You just seem like i had to get down in the gutter with this. You kinda did but you know we have a choice not to like it. I don't agree with it. I thought it was just low. Is it iconic Housewife reunion history. At i'm like i don't have to like something to recognize how iconic it was because i felt some sort of way about kim bringing that goddamn bunny. Lisa arena is crazy. 'cause i wouldn't cry out of got off. The couch. beat her s with their buddy. I'm like did you bring this money to the some. I gotta match much. Give me a trash can put that light. That bitch on fire. I'm sorry if it is so toxic. Why are you holding onto this bitch. Fuck you okay girl. Fuck you i mantaining. How good that reunion. What have become their set. Trash and bundy's on. But i tell you something started steel truss. Can you might match. Hey let me help you. Put the bunny. owning lifelock. Live has oscar the grouch in the back. This like y'all better than me. I'm like lisa renovated sit there and cry. I'm like but you get big and bold when you girl lisa shut up we breed enough lisa For a lifetime s now lisa. Please leave us alone. I will say that. I completely agree that like maybe once the cell did not have her back that became mad day for her on the on the converse. What what had what it would have looked like for ashley. If she had your bank would have been very interesting. I would like miss. Oceana brought up video. You know basement magically up here all of a sudden buddy it to me. I asked the company mailed to me. But you said there's no camera and you'll as me what security company doesn't put a camera in a public place. Your bathroom probably much bedroom. Probably not your basement a public space in your house that the security has the there. You got people in your house. What's where the where your kids play things like this. That like you might want to keep an eye on like okay girl. I would like access to the choose your own adventure book of the season. Eleven what would it. What would it have looked. Like if ashley had taken candice aside all what you're saying in that statement she said i don't want to get involved. I really want to choose your own adventure as knowing what the what the endings have been. What would it look like. What would it have looked like. Okay is like everybody's like this is iconic. I'm like it is i. I mean. I've never seen something like this at a reunion. Do i think she was right. No ma'am you're doing a lot of this but if someone says so why did you feel with are always my job. I'm like so please. Don't pull this job. Shit with me is probably putting it away because she the wendy says we're gonna put a button this like. She bought it off. And we find out what happened when she puts boxes on shelves. Some empire pet compartmentalize all Unfair since the button. And it's like we all to racist cars arleen. If you feel like. I wanna fuck with this bitch at all. Yeah you go to college but man. You can't go into another seasonal filming with with with a binder of all of your cast members and the main cast member who is very transparent as a literally a self drag with you. Let's not do this like. Yeah because actually you know. You got a big chunk in that day on binder. Why would she have a. Why would she have a tam for you and karen. She has tapped for her session. I have tamper myself. i'm like why what's do i'm sorry but what's inherit therapy bills. It's like what was the reason. I'm like what girl you could have. Just came with. Joe giselle folder. You don't need a binder. This is when you know you board and in quarantine why you want to the king goes. Why are using chris. Samuels inc in her printer. Why are you getting all the color tabs. Get to label maker you. Domino label maker you making tabs girl. You got no. You have three kids. You know highly trained with no she sewn type a not even like wasn't even say nothing. I'm like i know way helped you. Fine i'm like that's what best friends do you. Besley mean he definitely has has more than one binder in her life of where things are interested in ways. She is holy whore thing was like. Ma'am you didn't invent that. I know where that came from off the youtube you heard that from somebody and riley not your friend. I think it's so hilarious. These as chrissy sky so believe me you had help. She didn't say she made on her own brought this. I brought my binder. I'm like why and you only used it for like literally. The last ten minutes of the first part of the reunion. Growin in the binder. I hope i hope for the sake of the binder. I hope that we just didn't see its use throughout the eleven hours. Maybe maybe have uncut. Maybe we will get I would. I need to know the contents of that binder. And maybe she snaked the term pastor. Holy whore i will tell you that i gasped. It was room is like it was wise like past our holy whore. Oh my girl. And and that's the thing about her. Chris said on the live. Don't take me to get to her. Mom neak why are you taking shots dramatic zell and then she didn't give you what you want it. You didn't get rid of tears. You didn't get her sitting there with tears running down her face Have you been watching. Dissolve his whole series. She only you are not cal. She's only crying in front of cal shaft today. She barely crime for the robin. She looked very uncomfortable though. It was just like. I can't pop this bitch in the face. I'm like i can't give her she. You want something out of me. You're not going to get it so you didn't get it. Rows her up more than anybody is like. She can get her uncomfortable. But monique is. She was like girl girl. I'm not giving you what you want to be. What you want hun. I'm not doing this. So i'm like and that's the people. Oh my gosh. she's so embarrassing. Like it is embarrassing to talk about this on national television but sweetheart. If you search the youtube we knew about that months ago like this is oh. This is ot and that girlfriend that you this exit went to. I was his girlfriend for eight years. I'm like so you were his girlfriend while he was engaged to tweet because he embraced the tweet. So were you there then. Why don't you come after tweet. Oh i know why but this is like up bothers you that he starting over with now but he was engaged to tweet. So when will you his ex win. He got divorced twelve years ago. I'm like when did this happen. Let me know when his happened. Let me know when your time has only. Monique is going to cover of her magazine. December twenty twenty by be there. You have been lying in wait for this so you did all of this. Because she don't like she wasn't impressed by four homes. She was shading you you shade in her back. You said she was jealous. Because everybody is jealous of you. Fucking chris samuels and having this life your four homes in your your bird and your three kids and i don't know what else do you think. Were jealous oh baby you don't you don't know what kind of lifestyle giselle used to live until certain says she does still get to live it. Man he gets flew out he gets flew out. Do you know how much money he makes. Just someone ask him preach for twenty minutes. This man is like she is not impressed. This is not. nfl wives. Monique she is not impressed by you. In a bad part about it is if it was real bitch you wouldn't care. I'm like which is l. Think i'm like yeah. If she if you pay her dust you wouldn't have been putting together. A binder is like wait a minute. Why are you paying none of these business. You have this wonderful life that you say you have but you ready to take someone down. Because they didn't hop on your side of the fight. And that i start playing you want it for candidates backfired on your way s. It's like ma'am you told them to their face. You do not have to invite me to group events. It is okay. You don't have to invite me. So why are you sitting here saying they iced you out. You said don't invite you one is it. It's like no that's like so. Don't say we iced you out. We you said she's like this stadium. Michael i'm sorry. So what's the problem. Might you i mean there is nuance there. You can say it's okay to not invite me but also feel excluded at the same time like you can. It's like. I like they can still make you really sad that your actions caused you. I mean that's so my my with. Monique is like sheffield. And i said milwaukee this entrepreneurs podcast which i think she just doesn't have the right words to say what she's what's he doing on say for right now she didn't say for if she said you know if you're having a great events in the next few weeks it's okay if you don't invite me but you don't invite me to your group events. They're like okay. That makes this easy. I don't even have on inviting you. Said is fine and she can also say. It made me sad that i wasn't invited like and they didn't even know revenge. So that's where that came from because they didn't come to pocket show Yeah so i think that it was. She was saying that and she mentally but at the same time she probably was like. I wish it wasn't this way. She thought they would still kinda go. You know. I feel kinda bad excluding her. It's like but for robin. She was like no you just alle. Which is really didn't have any group of is this year wasn't nobody there. It's like i And money's point where she said. It was my daughter supremacy. I wasn't gonna let the first time. Y'all see each other. Be something for my daughter in my family. I'm not doing that especially with the potential drama. Her husband's family. Shall we like correct. There was only one slot for drama. And it would have been it would have been is like. I think the family would have been worse like god. Y'all doing this on film. It's like oh my god talking years. We've been married ten years which i was like. Wow that's and that's how. I was thinking about this fight being like the lucy lucy apple juicy of potomac that we didn't get to see more compensation as to why this is going on is any of our business but still be any being so transparent with tam. He is fine he is yes. Yes it's like okay. And did him being very honest and very measured when he said it like they. Just don't get along. We don't have a real relationship and he sounds sad about it. But i think he's also like i don't know what else i can do about this and i think his family may be too proud after seeing because one this is now an international show internationally. Maybe like a few months before they see this. But it's still it could reach his family and they'll be like oh i'm definitely not speaking to his ass now. How dare you bring up our family business on television. I can't kind of bold welfare him know if they weren't talking for the last ten years. I don't think they're going to guess at this point. He just has to go. I i mean we still invite them. We're holding out hope so you know i'm just i'm fine with that i'm like okay. Maybe he's yeah. Maybe he's hoping to appeal to their software side in see it's been it's been devastating for him but more likely if they're if they're the type of people that are just not speaking of their some of they're probably going to be err on the side of like now you're talking about us on national international vision exactly with the green further. I'm good love. Enjoy like yeah. I'm not gonna do this but you. Okay let's talk about another versus our. Hey verses wendy aaron rodgers wendy odd to talk about because like a spicy spicy take but in. Maybe the reason why. Karen didn't see it for wendy. Says she didn't fit. Because i do believe i don't think it had to do for skin till i don't think karen is that bad to say started. And everybody and carrying whitney. Wendy is the darkest personal net cast. Yeah i don't think anything do. She's didn't think she was pretty. I think it's because of the fact. That of all the young women that came through potomac katie. ashley candice. Monique all of them. Came to karen for molding mandy did not. She didn't need anything from karen. She didn't need molding and how to fit in for potomac tomac. She didn't need on how to be a better parent she's like. I have good role models in my mother and my sister. I don't need you. And because she didn't need karen she didn't come to carrying the kiss the ring and also she actually already knew karen and she felt icy. She acts like she's never met me before. That was what wendy said. She's gonna show like she's never met me. She like me have. We're on the same committee karen. i'm like. Yeah that's why she has. A problem was like every other wendy's thirty six so she fits in there as record of younger women who need me to mold them and it's like she has four degrees she has. She has a husband that loves her down. She has beautiful children she has a career. She don't need anything from karen huger and that's not something she can handle. I agree with that. Take not take at all when decided even on the tv show the tv. Show the reunion old. She said the television on the tv. Show the tv box Do she said it on the reunion. And i agree with that. I think that The probably some intimidation there because the current doesn't have the academic accolades that wendy has. She has her reputation. she has The ground dumbness of it all and she wanted it for until she will take it to the grave if he actually feels this way. But i think the karen intimidated by her. And the the idea of someone overshadowing her in the show numb with the greatness in that greatness being wendy's case her accomplishments rear and her family and her husband that will say. I love you out loud. Like there's a lot of things of that. Wendy got the charon was karen. You have been a housewife literally. Twenty something years yes. it's fine. i think that's great. I'm like i wanna see more black women who were like just wreck just housewives. You don't have to labor you don't have to get a job for anything because ladies of leisure has never been a black woman thing momentum ladies of leisure ever. It's like i actually like this. Why carry he take. Go ahead and tell him pay this bill. Pay discredit go bill. Paying back you go ahead and pay their credit card bills give the credit card he said stipend. I thought about was an allowance. Because i'd have been like raymond interesting choice of ood. 'cause it's also when you slid it sounds like what you give to somebody who does like it's what you give a student intern like Like a student assistant or Stipend which indicates power differentiation. But i really am glad he didn't say allowance. Because i like mel raymond stipend either like you get a she does. He could've just said she had access to all my money right. He's said i took care of you for years. That's all he could have said we would have known because she was literally a stay at home wife. She was a house wife in every form of the of the word. So i'm like yeah. She lived on the grandiosity being the black bill. Gates's wife and being care neuberger in potomac and someone comes in and has their own greatness that they've achieved themselves and i think that there's probably a ring casting thing but i think there's also an intimidation thing karen does not wanna be outshined. I think that that's one of the reasons she has always always bringing giselle up. Always like dissolves said something about her gray in interprofessional. Karen was like i know when she's bringing up my man she's not right at home and like there's some element of truth to that. Things are right with jamal. But i think that one of the reasons she keeps How to use the word obsessed but like she is. She doesn't want a lot of the mouse ago when it comes to zell in its. I don't think it's just deal. Even things are in the same universe intern Would like computer. And that probably pisses karen off to like his. She wants the she is a self proclaimed grynbaum Told me jackson jordan. But we're not going to do that today. if you're listening we still love you and your wig. We really do over over knows. The mother frigg amassed those over knows. Put it on your mouth and ain't nothing put it on your nose. The germ stale coming over in does over in knows the mother freaking goes over in knows his pandemic and we start getting side. Put it on knows what some people don't die over in does over your knows the mother freaking mask those over your nose over in knows over your nose mother. Frigging mass goes over your nose.

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MM153 Pt. 2: The 4 Streets of Potomac (w/ Lily of ShesStartin)

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MM153 Pt. 2: The 4 Streets of Potomac (w/ Lily of ShesStartin)

"I'm like i'm so glad. I'm karen looked. She looked amazing. What's her glam was also lovely. I think she's a grand mom and she was like youngest gave me that. I don't like they didn't care that you did that. And they're like hey this line. We couldn't be treated this. Game of thrones and every night kingdom has their own coley. See in king and queen and everybody you know. Hey you could be queen in the north potomac. And then shari's can be queen of the south so i'm like you do whatever you wanna do. Okay fine but man. No one didn't make this up you current you're the self-proclaimed grand mom and that's fine. I was like i think next season. I think karen wendy might actually be able to get a place of being friend lee. i don't know about friends but friend lee I see wendy as a person who is malleable in terms of like if you've wrong her in it's not like totally agree that she is open to working on is leased to the crucifixion. On the door is not closed for her. I don't think so. I don't thanks so another door. Don't think it's closes wendy versus ashley now. I thought they were fine until the like. They made up at the fishing on the fishing bureau. And also i mean not be remembering that. I don't remember anything else coming up during the season. I don't think they're doors close. I think they can work towards it but when they were going back and forth on reunion. When when in ashley said it's like you're you're you're you're words so divisive because it's like you throw your your your education and people's faces and i'm like timeout timeout timeout. Because you had no problem throwing the fact that you were married and robin and therese's face you had no problem coming after you. Medicine like my husband's the millionaire. I don't need this. You have no problem michigan that your husband's a millionaire or that you're married but the minute wendy's like please don't let this face for you. Baby i m not stupid. I'm not less than you. I have four degrees. And so i i don't she didn't need for three harass 'cause she's like i'm that's duct to wendy to you and like she's like what do you mean people like you. She meant exactly what she said. People like you. I enjoy the. I enjoy the academic shade. When ashley was like you're Burning up your education is so divisive and came back with well. It's divisive and she was like kind of living what ashley was saying. Which is like you're using your education as a way to light elevate yourself i did not like what she did when she was speaking with karen and she said I have four degrees. You have no degrees like this. I don't like that stuff like you. And karen came back with a really good response. Which is i think was wonderful inappropriate. And i am sick of hearing her degrees. I do understand that. She feels like she always needs to defend them as a black woman with with these accolades and that she's very sensitive about all these accomplishments given her background in the pressure that she received to get them and the pregnancy and that she was getting I believe she got married and had two children during the education portion of received these areas while she was her dad died. That was that was one of the things that she is mentioned to ask. It's almost like her. Education is like a is like ptsd trigger and if you say or look at her education be wrong way or like breeze the wrong way in regards to her education it becomes a hot button and i think that she i don't know how much of a blind spot that is for her but she can't she can't be on the show and constantly be bringing up her degrees in defending them amusing air quotes around defending them because if it's going to become a broken record for her in it did. I'm kinda glad that the grease in her up here are boxes. I'm like this is genius. By the way i am be even though she's very like on the show about it but in person she's like this is so funny and she's able she's like i realized i probably sound like this and it's like i i don't know what about dr wendy i love. I just love dr welby. I'm like over in a thing but the thing with the four degrees. I'm like i think it's interesting that we watched these shows. People throw in like their lifestyle their clothing labels. They wear their homes about today. Have a husband they don't and then in. That's fine as to be the name of the housewives game four. Wendy brings up her degrees that you need to shut the fuck up about joe degrees. Nobody will give a shit care about your bony but you bring up you bring in. People are jealous of your lifestyle. So i see both sides because i'm like curfew because i think i would have been like okay girl all right. You got four degrees. We know boo but on other hand. I'm like she busted her asked for those degrees. Like 'cause 'cause actually you don't mind throwing in your in somebody's face This is not your house. This show mama's house you don't mind throwing in katie's face that you need to fix holy your heart instead of putting everything in between your legs or something. She said to katie. You all my mom. Getting googling robin and thrown in their face like they only got like seven dollars in savings account. Like ooh the fuck said on camera. Or i saw one. And he's cheating on robin you making show business. You throw shit people's faces about your life with michael you throw it throws in our face that just la quote unquote ain't got no man. And ideally you just jealous for ashley to sit there and go how you divide you. Put me down. Because i don't have degrees. You put women down because they don't handle husband shut the hell up. I know talking. I need that to end where it was like. That is not a dick stops like. Oh you ain't got no man. I'm like i'm sorry i do. Not a girl is like the thing about giselle. Having a carousel of different men were having no one saying behind our. It happens with kenya mike. It's just like I don't mean to deflect like if somebody is saying that to me like i'm i would probably with okay with being alone because i would occur four degrees than curl up with michael darby girl. Don't do the math. It seems like i'm not talking to me. You're married to michael darby. You can shut the hell up. Nobody was ranked. No everybody wants a pet in you. They don't wanna eat it girl. We naive kangaroo meets. The fuck is girl outback. Steakhouse don't even do this shit because most of that stuff. They don't eat in australia. Did you ever see that. Bros we Video where people from australia. Eight outback steakhouse amir. Like what the fuck is this. What is this what are they doing. What is that can very fed vaguely literally. Were just like what is all of this first of all this. Isn't that how cook it first of all we don't have this australia. We don't eat it this way. I'm like oh boy. You don't have gluten in australia. S not a thing of wine. Do i do think it's deflecting when we were like when when women savings i'd rather be allowed in have your man like that's the flash like should look more like why why is my ability to bring a man to the reunion of interest to one of the like making you like better because like doesn't make me this doesn't lower me on the scale of like it really better or worse human. It doesn't like it really shouldn't be about anybody in their husbands. Be like i don't i. I need that to like. Monique was pulling the whole time to see. That's why now i'm like. I know what he's sitting behind you today like. It happened with kanye like i hate him. I hate it. And i don't you can say one hundred bright funny awesome things to defend your point but as soon as you go after the fact that somebody doesn't have a man sitting behind them at the reunion. I'm just like you dumped. Ruined it for me. Now ryan's like you're still putting your value as a woman in the fact that you have a partner. And i'm like and that's wendy has a partner. She is never brought up. Like i have this great house. And i got three kids. And i ain't gotta worry about my husband dip in his wick and have videos of him in a hotel with a sex worker. But you don't see her doing that. She only talks about herself. This is why. I have is like i see both sides of that. I'm like i get it. It's a little annoying but notice him. Come off the. Nobody's own life. She'll never bring eddie into this. Which is why. I give her a little bit more. She'll never bring up the fact that my husband is finest fuck. He fucks me good and we got this beautiful children. And i don't have to worry about me if i leave town. Will he be in the hotel with the sex worker. I ain't got to worry about that. Now what else is going on. See this is an atlanta. Somebody would have said that to her. By now. Like ashley can go to. Atlanta candidates can go monique. Maybe but kansas fit in well with that group because they will just be shady and funny as hell. Yeah no data. Made ashley cried this point like to tell you something you you want me to say nothing you girl just like actually shut the hell of your life is a self drag next question. Mike goodness if you put canvas and kanye if they were beefing i it would be. Those reasons would be legendary after like watch it and slow because i would want to absorb everything like ooh. Yeah i would be gasping. I'm like i don't have no air in my lungs from gasping being. I think that wendy needs to let go of whatever is everybody. Has the jokes about it. I think she might cool it for next season. She leonard let it go. Mouse go lit the mail house. Thou- next season decline. We get it you know. You got four degrees unless you get in the fifth degrees please now. No please. don't do this. Please please stay at ford. The the numbers for that's the number four. No don't go for fifth grade. We don't need it. We don't need the fifth element we do not like no don't need you anymore. Infinity stones sandals. Now leave so talbot. Snap you officer show girl leave us alone. Dan kanter for you. Chat shadow to house out the candy by the discussion. Yeah i go back to that hugh. I didn't think this is going to happen on the reunion because when he went oh you didn't think he was going to go there either okay. I'm glad we levin same page now. I liked the viewer question. The people who were responding who were like to know it's not a color ism issue. I was surprised and also not surprised then. Monique was like no. It's not because your color is evaluating the behavior. And i'm like that's interesting coming from you and i'm like so there's there's a lot of people who've been following her on twitter. If y'all know. Monique did like liked or talked about antibac- stuff. Apparently there's documentary that she like between and say yasser really watch this this little good points she. She re tweeted somebody talking about. Don't vote because that's how the government tracks you. She does cunanan. she likes them. Cunanan on shit so. I wasn't surprised in wasn't suppressed and i'm like How very interesting like up. Of course i really appreciate it. Robin saying that. Yeah i make it my business not to use aggressive when i talk about a darker skinned woman. I don't think it's right. And so when she is said. I've been called aggressive and i was like. Yeah but you're typically not called that because when we think about it and we talk about aggressive. You're a skin black woman. You are already seeing as more aggressive if you were heavier. Darker skinned black woman. You are seeing as aggressive and unfriendly. never assertive. Never confident always aggressive. And this is like get if you're a liar. Skinned black woman. You're seen as more feminine. Something we need to take care of someone. We need to protect hanwha air by has all this amnesia about the vile shit. That ashley has done but schaller like y'all won't let any sleeping dogs lie when it comes to kansas so whenever it says she got the most reckless mouth on the cast. I'm like i know y'all of fucking line to me. I know y'all alliance me act. Like i totally forgot that. Yeah because off scientists. Like ashley has the baby. All informed her. I'm like one before actually was an asshole. Now asshole with a baby a baby on the way. Please leave me alone. Pleading also got it extremely passive and good at this year And i'm assuming that probably has some interesting theories about pregnant women and women with children new children so about made sense to me If she was spewing the vile that she had in the past probably just didn't include it But i also think that she's to her. Priorities are probably fully different. This with a childlike. She doesn't really have time to be like digging around in. You re robin's relationship because she did that woman tom i think robin would literally beat her s. Well like you lucky hammers here. Because i'm ready to be harassed i'm like you would be my s. You should we rewind the tape as to. Why should we tell you. Don't maybe you didn't wash that season lifted but you didn't watch their season you you've been doing that for three or four seasons you came after robin and it was just like i don't know where the breaking point was of yama stop. I believe you alone. I think it was her saying you know after i had the baby. I realized i did this. This that that that that I probably did so much like. Oh you an apology. It was very interesting that same person. Who said that. The robin when when kansas head harpignies. She's like oh now you care wait a minute you did that. robin robin okay. You're like i mean. I'm thinking like also the hello games like monique would have understood the color. Ism discussion is. She hit ashley if she had hit. Karen you would've saw live more people going off. She is dangerous. She has an anger problem. She needs to go. You understood the colors discussion. That wendy was trying to have she does this. She's orator she knows how to talk. And there's like ma'am she. She knows what it's like to be the only black person in the room and have to represent all black people even though. That's not what you're supposed to do. I can't black. People are not a monolith. I can't rubs in all black people but some people don't understand that and it's like i can't grow. I can only speak for wendy. Not speak for all nigerian-born women i cannot speak for all black. I just can't do that so when you call a darker skinned woman. Aggressive is like gas so when she said you gave license for people in my mentions for to. Dm me and say yes right because that's how you black women are. Y'all are y'all are aggressive. The reason why people aren't doing that too much with monica's because of who she hit which was candidates they're the same skin tone. That's why nobody was really coming after her it was. I'm not surprised about Stance on the colorado. It's because of this. Cunanan facts the anti vans because despite her skin color she's out of this sect of people who are mostly white who say things akin to why do you always have to bring race into it. She doesn't even realize her own. Holler ism in kind of self hatred there. So i i don't like to like diagnose irs soom like people's political parties or whatever but like if feels like she wants she is part of a wants to be part of this group. That often used the rhetoric of whitey always have to bring race into it and the answer is because race is always a part of it you got. It's always it's always there. So that's the ants and i fully. I'm not surprised whatsoever that she is in didn't it just. It doesn't what her because she surrounds herself. Likely with people who say things like why our data brand brayson tour as part of this. I'm like i'm sorry. I can't tell my blackness i can't do it and it's like money i'm like okay so i'm glad it seemed like i'm glad the conversation was happening. Actually she didn't know what the fuck was going on. Because i think she lives in a land of privilege and also. She has called robin inches. She said they came in aggressive. She didn't call them aggressive. Robin literally put her finger in her face and she didn't call her ferocious. And i'm like robin almost beat. Us in your restaurant and you didn't even think to call her ferocious to her face. But you did it to wendy in. It's like we're in the same on is is like actually didn't want to be called like wanna be called colorist is like we're not saying you're doing is not like a conscious thing is unconscious bias for you. What they're doing is just pointing this out. Because i was like. I thought i was like okay so i feel like this is going to be very interesting because i mean you can't tell me that color is not affected as to why everybody's like having amnesia to what ashley has done for the last five seasons and as i mentioned earlier era i completely guilty of that and i have to factor in it perhaps color ism is part of that you. I am not the same colors. Ashley but i imagine her privilege. Her white privilege is not as much as mine as i am. Obviously white woman with a green is straight ish hair like i experienced life much differently than her. I think that it would have. You would behoove her to listen to people who are not her caller when the when they say like it may not be your experience as a woman who is black but it is our experience as women who are black that Using these terms make life harder for us when you use it on a television in on your platform Like i liked that. She came back with a video. I don't think that encompassed what it needed to fully master that conversely since you did a little like a live for a story or something actually did but i will get it with wendy. Was saying it but it's like you wanna do it. And i don't like when we do it. I'm like shut the hell up. It was like doing this. Because i feel like Social media ashley. At least i g story ashley in instagram ashley is a lot better than on the show ashley because she seems a lot more fun and a lot more level also sizes of ashley wrecked so. It's like an hour of ashley. Needed like is a fifteen second video in these story so like yeah forty five sentences what i got i got forty five seconds for you baby. I just wish that There was just a little more self awareness when and also ties into the shit that had to deal with bike with the fights. You're getting into. The follower is about to cute team candidates and team monique lake. We've got these white. Mommy bloggers who are like telling you and obi and torri a- mike that they're you're wrong like it's just like actually is not white but she experienced the privileges of people who are not the same color were different color than her. And there's just this idea of like we people who are of a light skin tone regardless of race just have to be open to the idea that people who are not that skin tone see things. There isn't see things in live things differently. And there is nuance and it disappoints me. Disappointed me ashes. Response it disappoints me with folks who are like self proclaimed woke that follow us that if you have if you have three of like beloved people of the bravo fan community who are the laugh and the other people bravo fan community telling you that this shifts nuanced that you might need to look at it in a different way. Like bonding in like with the vitriol. Y'all received an. I also is on the sideline of was super gross to me. It was like i. I can't do this girl. Are you telling me what it's like to be black in maryland or you. You're telling me. Let me tell you about the plight of black people but let me tell you. Nah not give platform to other black people So very parallel about like. It's just very disappointing. When it i mean. I don't know how many black people are in the the bravo fan community. But i know it's been ultimately the numbers very low and if you have three people who are like You know on the top of the community. Like there's there's five six of you that i can think of that like that kind of like run this thing like me. Three of them are telling you like you got to look at it differently. Royally there's nuance to this pride. I'm honestly promise. But i don't count myself as bravo on this. Podcast is not bravo podcast but it definitely. You're right. I'm like family. You are like i'm so excited thank you. I'm like what am i gonna welcome packet going again and to put in from kyw's asti shop where you have i think of the late blah blah blah blah community like i think like you and sasha and obi theriault in tantric and like there's more at but there's three of you that were like telling somebody like please look at this differently and they just weren't having it i would care this. She got what she deserved. And i'm like yeah. It's just the fact came. This comes up to me when we talk about the other thing people who are black but they're of layers skin and just not getting it and telling them they're wrong and i don't understand this. I'm like y'all or saying like oh and i'm saying hashtag the hashtag where y'all is saying that. Oh my god no. We're judging it correct. I'm like you know what and no one has dispelled my theory on. This is like you're just trying to deflect. I'm like i'm giving you a little bit of nuance. None of y'all will be team. Monique if she had hit karen huger. Or if she had hit ashley darby all she had to come in. Maybe provin robin. I think the thing about it is excel. They'd be like team on me because like zell been doing this. This isn't third. I'm like okay. We're gonna reinvent history and that's fine. I feel like if she hit anybody else for candidates because everybody's so angry candidates for the shit she's done in the past And nobody wants to see the nuance. I honestly Maybe we keep saying what reactionary is if you come out this quote unquote so reckless. Why do you keep starting with her. She's buried words thin you. I'm sorry she's she's in that little group sade assassins. She's she's in that little group. It seems like a very tight knit group of people who are good at reading night. I have my moments just. I'm better at this than you. You might wanna like sit classes and sessions. Sit right in the front so you can learn. It was like i was like yanni to stop so i think that like also if candace mouth which can be disaster like she's very well-spoken but she not long damn island. She is she. She doesn't really do any sort of regulation before But my point is is really like and moaning mentioned that like this movement like under her chin was like what triggered her. My my thought is is if somebody's mouth. This most is the only thing separating you from like of contentment and complete blind rage than you have worked to. Do you have a problem right. You have a problem. I wish there was a nieta told her. You don't get to put your hands on people. Hey you have to stop putting your hands on people and of course it was even when she said it. She was mad at her for saying that. She's like i know you talking you. People was it on camera right any well. And it's like people don't like grown-ups don't like grown-ups telling me what to do. It's like we don't like you're not gonna talk to me like i'm a child. I'm like don't do this. I mean good advice like yeah. Don't put your hands on people on camera which is why robin beat is why rented maranda robinson beat up. I don't wanna call them aranda. Robin didn't beat up ashley. Oz breaks off a monuc rag because robin has the ability to throw away. Yes like she had the bill so the steps between the steps between like being pissed off in blind rage the space. They're big much bigger than you have. Currently many other steps you take before you beat. Some relief should be the last resort in away from nick. She's like she provoked me. She like had santa my phase. He did say. Get your hands on my face. Get out of my face. Rich hand butter microbes. She did say that the kid who's like your hands are in my face which they were. Y'all both as well flying. There's also a whole table between y'all two. It was like mailed you did have your hand. Y'all had his hands. Y'all are arguing. So when candidates said i wasn't mad i was making fun of it. It's like girl. I m look. I can't even get angry at this anymore. It's funny at this point. We can't even be in the same room without you. Picking a fight with me. You know meek. In it's like as a instance of them arguing mo- candidates walked away from you even like how she said argue with yourself. I'm not arguing with you. I wanna do if somebody if i was canvas in someone was like. Get your hand out by tipsy enough. I probably an ad. If i were about andrea pusher candidates nicer. She's like i'm not to do that. That you deal with kitty thing in my face and she was just like she was like they weren't in the like girl and you initiated contact. I now i'm probably in a court of law flicking hair is not what they can. It depends every state and how they recognized. Assault and battery are different. I don't think in maryland but flicking someone's hair is considered first point of contact. It should be but apparently it's not 'cause and also i hate to break to everybody Maryland course are not going to slow housewives footage the way that we do. They don't care this is another. There's another reality star fight. They point they probably played at regular speed. And if you played a regular speed a you don't include her flicking her hair three or four times and her flicking. And i'm glad karen said she didn't say pulling on monica she said i saw you flick her jacket. So that led to the thing that ashley that kansas said. I flicked her jacket so she wasn't lying when she said that because karen saw a too so regular time. You're not counting those a you just counting win like y'all collided in looks like at the same time. Y'all were fighting. If y'all are not including the hair in the flicking. And i have a feeling they don't count it. I know i'm not monique. But if i were like getting a fire. Getting escalated or activated is lindsay hubbard. What say And someone mice. I'm sorry and i'm like. I don't know why like her just do. I don't know bravo from me watching summer house. I'm like damn pandemic here. Being on that. I i in like wow. You're you're ready. So if i were boniek but i'm not so. I realized that difference if some if i was already activated and then somebody saying you want a drag me drag me dragged me in unlike plucks. My best i at that point would have been like. Oh shit this is real. I got step right away. 'cause you say you're gonna drag me now you want me to you. Want me to you want me to. She's like drag. Me is like 'cause i think really because monique is somebody who's like i'm above during this ghetto mess. I would never do. She didn't think she actually would grab her hair. Implored him so. I really believe that she was in total fight or flight at that point. Because i do believe monique when she said i thought i thought candace pushed me so i will give her then. I can understand that because y'all were touching each other so it's more than likely you thought that was her. So also if someone's flicking my hair. And i pushed him away because i don't want them fucking touching me. I'm well within my rights to do that. Even if she didn't think that was canvas She should have taken that as a sign that like she's encroaching on nice way was trying to get their to separate them and she didn't move quick enough because she probably didn't think this was going to happen care. But this isn't the same with the umbrella with the umbrella. The umbrella literally the only thing that separated monique and rock physically. Move them because there was no space. There's a table between candidates. The monique so that's probably why a lot of people weren't thinking and also they didn't have any security there and that's know potomac is not known forgetting violent or rowdy 'cause they typically don't have security well they do now right. That's at karen's house. Karen has security to. It was just like the. Why would you have this in your home. If you've got to have security like in the public place where you damn sure. We'll make sure that you have Security so it was like now. Nail jersey has a lot of security now. Atlanta has security but they they need security right. Was this third or fourth season. When ahead like the brawl at the f. Christie this is a christening for a baby. Y'all are fighting like y'all crazy now. They have security all the time but girl is like the person the first person to introduce. I gotta have security was danielle when she went to go. Meet up caroline. It's like why do you why caroline manzo such a such a like tough purse or choose extremely tough with her words in her attic touch. Anybody wouldn't even think to you. Because when i gave my mother the Example of ni ni and candy sitting next to each other yelling at each other pointing at each other and no warning bell in my head went off like they're going to get physical each other and they wouldn't and they didn't they know because they know is like. Hey i fight with my words. And that's it so it's like girl y'all only Gets physics physicality in the closet. That's the only thing. I've seen out of her hurt and tim sweetie okay. I was like like whoa whoa. I'm sorry i like hit me. I'm like he's me. Schreier ari shifted. You wig honey. So oh yes. We had a wig shift in the past we did. I won't rip roaring. I was shifting. Sharia will trying to take off head. Don't do this. Can you imagine if it hurts because at the time. We didn't really sheamus really uninterested sangoma wigs. That would have been right graphic back to see. I have really nice pero like why are you acting like i've never been on the mind. Like people will have terrible hair. I'm like no. I don't like doing my hair. There's a difference between not having good hair and like not having nice hair or good hair or hair period is more of. Yeah do my hair all damn day. I'm bored. I wanna different color or you want to be. I like make this job. Permanent let me see how this wig looks on my head before. I dyed my hair and then got bleach it and do all of this to get the color. I think that if you have the money to then please do. I'm like oh excuse me you know how to put a wig on the way it was like claims me. I want candidates we glue. And i want one of karen six hundred dollar weeks. My wig was looks like karen did about that. Oh why is your glue melting you. It's so hot heat. I'm like so what maybe wigley. I think that the The way it would have been held up with sunglasses and the same way it would. I don't oughta where what is going on with these. That was also one of the best things i've ever seen that he's one of the best moments though bravo. She had everyone at the table laughing hysterically. That was why goose milton. I'm like i. I told you this. I don't know anything about wigs. Wake glue how did canvases week stay on. She did say she holding. It didn't look like it has shifted or just my also because he was a tornado we also had a head so that may have been the reason why it stayed but it's like it could like she had a wig on and i forgot a hat so i'm like i understand what you're saying is like she know her glue is good but also she's doing somebody who has one hand and then with the other hand started holding her down so after serving the most of the forest was the pounding of the head and it was just laying only probably didn't have a concussion because she had a wiggling. I feel like if she didn't have one and she's eating that girl in the head. It's like i feel like she would have gotten cocoon of. She was wearing not wearing any additional hair on her head and or a hat. Thank you for doing the labor of explaining that. Because i understand i was just like that thing is wholly intact sued. Okay so yeah I have some notes about like the reaction of people having to kansas. Not feeling still a feeling like okay. I have some notes about that. But i don't wanna i know that you probably have outline that you want to take all those you know. I want to bring it up when we get to. When we we're about to get the first part. I wanna talk about because this came up in the second part is monique and accountability. So if everybody who doesn't understand the timeline of this. She assaulted kansas on october sixteenth. Twenty nineteen this was after her live. Show her live. Show was october twelve. The one that they showed on the show was her one from november. Because the one that Kansas was the one that Karen was that now is the one in october. The one in november is the one that if you guys saw really closely you saw money ashley was there and also my friend. Sarah frazier. 'cause she was on the stage with her because she was one of the she was on a panel at the live. Show i so. I did see money. Yeah he was literally sipping tea. I loved it. I was like i'm behind the girl. Okay what they talk about. I was like the nail. I'll know secure. I'm just. I don't know then. You talked about the pressing of the charges that was like an maybe mid november and then by december. The case was dropped. They just like dismissed charges because quite frankly they don't give a good goddamn about reality stars fighting so from december twenty nineteen to now when they shot the reunion in either late to some nate november. Early december. monique has not had any contact with canvas. she has not reached out to candice. She has not talked kansas. She is not related. Any messages through anybody else on the cast with candace. She has not done any of that. The literally the time to get to the reunion. That was the first time they had been in the same room and or talk to each other so for over a year. Kansas has been literally guest lit about this assault. Because one not only happen in october a day or so later broke that they were the ones in the fight and also the story was that candidates had started that fight that she threw a drink. Monique and that's what started the fight. And then you see her. Press charges in that. She says she was doing it reluctantly. Everyone's like she didn't have to press charges like so. It didn't click. When she first said it clicks now for me so if the story has been from the gate that she started at fight her pressing charges. Me is a way of living people. Know i'm not the one who started this physical fight too much. She say reluctantly is not just about because monique didn't say like reach out to her and apologize is because the lies about how this fight started one. The report is out there. But she didn't but people didn't care because they don't like hands so it was kind of like you go if y'all had linked candidates or even just liked her a little bit. Y'all have listened to her and y'all didn't and then the case was dropped in december. And now we're in month twelve of twenty twenty and she hadn't talked to her so when monique said well my lawyer. I couldn't talk to her. When this case was in court the case was settled at two twenty nineteen who could have reached out to her after that. You did not your own therapist. Said you should write her lover she's like. I don't think that i don't know if she said i don't wanna do that. Or is not appropriate. And i'm like that's not how i process. I processed by writing songs song. St wrote a diss track of. And that's supposed to. I love tahiliani handled out us. Like i think you've got bad advice right. Then we get like 'cause. I'm pretty sure your Your therapist didn't say hey right her writing a letter telling her how how how much you decided to stay home much are fucking like you how much i'm gonna drag you when you ask me to. And how much you came to slay. I'm pretty sure that the therapist didn't ask her to that. I also liked Because it's obvious that andy is just paying attention. I like the he was like wait. You're recording artists. Like by the time they have recorded this this reunion we all knew especially in the community. Which andy is part of that song had come out right So he was like wait. What you like. She didn't mention the song on her many appearances on. Watch what happens. Live and my aching. I could've source. She mentioned that song. Don't remember that but she doesn't live under a rock. he true vestry rotten's bravo flake. He's part of the community and he's it literally his job to keep up with what these women are doing it. I thought it was. Maybe it isn't but he's like wait. Recording studio watt like andy. Andrew rather what we call him. Andrew have notes. No an her to stop this andrew. Are you add like you don't know this you don't we're he said. Are you recording. It was like see. That's the thing can't see that's the thing you didn't say you're actively recording. What you said is. I used to do rap music you. If you're if you're creative outlet is to write songs. Write a song it's like don't don't ride it forward it her. It was like you think i'm stupid. Which is why she gave her apology. Our a wasn't a bad apology. But like ma'am you have had literally a year to talk to her. You could have like reached out to her. She was like yeah. I try to do mediation but her lawyer said no. I'm like well lawyers weren't involved for whole year. It was like when did your lawyer say you should. I wanted to do a mediation. I'm like the case was thrown out. There's no point of doing a mediation here it is. Why don't you call them. You girl kern. Y'all she's the she's the middle person ain't she. You can colorado said. I want us to sit down this out. Like y'all need to work this out because i feel like even if she had made reached out to her before after filming rat even though there's probably would bring up more emotions is like because of course that's what happens every time people make up all season then when they come out they're like w say and it tears. Open the moon. So that part. I get because i think that's what happened with. Cynthia and meaning. Cynthia did that a lot. She was just like. I didn't notice what she said. And it just hurts all over again but to wives. Monique do this thing where you are acting like. You didn't know that you were liking tweets about her giving beat up and people saying she deserved it. You're getting right to show. You're acting like all. The blogs weren't geared toward candidates was the aggressor. She started despite and it's all her fault when and then when the season was rolling. People like wait a minute. You said she drinking you and that's what happened. I'm like you literally grabbed her and pulled her to the table. Surprised that she like she cut me. I mean i could have got stabbed own. Sorry this was stephanie. You would've been stabbed and that entire. I i'm sorry. I wanna try to kill you. I'm like the fuck off me because one this is how you know candidate wanna fight. When they were separated candidate. Go after monique. She didn't like home if you she really wanted to fight she a win around the table and got your fucking face and also when you're separated they would have had to hold her back. It's like let me the fuck. Oh beating bitches. As if you wanna talk about hood rules. Y'all the person that got beat up. They want i watch love and hip hop baby. That's matt how would win. They would have had to bring literally. People were sitting down drinking their wine event. Cheese and grapes to how to help you. Keep this thing from not turning into The thrilla in manila is a miniature. No that that happened to watch. Monique kind of just be so detached. And i'm not trying to tell her how to feel but you're at the reunion to talk about this. You're like this isn't a passing. I don't have to talk about this baby. We at the reunion talk talk about it. What are you doing when she was just like. I mean i process my feelings for which will be. Do cry on command. I can't do say crime command y'all but that's literally how she sounded. Mammy you got in your whole call. Incredible crowd about your bird flying away while you have feelings baby you are not but that is leagues. You were very upset. So why was she was acting like unto taipei. And i don't know. And i'm like bird underlings all the earth science he over here and so my tie ask yesterday so you know an i cry. I cry all the time. So don't tell me as a taipei person that you don't cry. I was like nuts. Don't do that. So i think i candice succinctly very well said why. She can't accept the apology because it has been for sixty days. She is reading the entire song. She has perpetuated. that canvas was also violent. This is beyond the written statement for the court if she was going through all this therapy Three hundred sixty five days to get to where she needed to apologize. I hear that. I also feel that. Like Monique knows herself while enough. And i said this earlier on earlier in our in our discussion here which is like. She probably knew that when she when she came out of fighter flight and she calmed down that she felt remorseful. And i know this. Because she was crying tenor pastor so the two sentences three sentences that she says the reunion quoted happened done during filming if she needed to be on camera and it could a lot fricken greece right. She did a resin and jay when it had a zoom call after the reunion was done and they talked. I feel like you've done that. You can zoom it in honey. Brahma would've loved that and it's the same i. I feel like overweight a lot. Further if she had said this is long overdue. And i should have said this to you. Months ago i feel like that would have went a lot longer than i see. You have inhaled from it. I'm sorry about your pain. You did not contribute to this fiscal if you did not deserve that. She knew that already. She has literally been saying that for over a year that i did not deserve what happened to me. And then you not only have moaning not telling people that she didn't deserve it but thousands if not close to a million or millions of people because a lot of people watch these shows that have been saying either tagging her in it or just mentioning her name in any form of social media saying that she deserves this so not only. Did you never put out a statement to correct this. You let la perpetuate because it late inlet. You feel good. And i'm watching. Someone who literally has like i didn't understand it i. What was the deal with her. Why does it bother her so much that you didn't like her she didn't like y'all just don't get along. I'm like i don't know inside. They got off on the wrong foot. The happens with a lot of people. They should have been able to recover but when her pastor said she wasn't impressed with you. And that is your problem. There it is. She wasn't impressed with you. That's what made you mad about. Zell calendar girl everything. You're like care services like everything so thank you. She and then giselle was like going. I got dan about your house and she. Let's see this was like yes i do. I'm bored okay. It's interesting because it's really interesting to me. That life for someone who went off the way she did in his so close to ring where the reactionary That how the logic that shoes attempting to employ to figure all this out as she mentioned in the in the reunion like she was like. I just have to figure out what made what what what had happened to make me snap. Act like women which she wanted to. Jeez you make you make me snap. And like i all assignments in taipei but you can be type a and watching someone cry over something that you did to them multiple times a you sit in stone based and it's not affecting you. I don't think i could sit there and sees my crying about something. I did to them and not. Unlike you're not over this and i was wrong to put my hands on you. I should've said this to you. See this thing. I'm gonna start my business to help people apologize. I'm gonna tell you what to say. I will be livia pope of to help. Y'all get your shit like iman events. And i'm here to fix your shit. I just like i need to help you. Because one i don't i don't think the i was on my 'cause i think someone said you think she apologize. I'm like absolutely not and she proved me wrong. And i'm like i'm glad she did but most i hope she really does realize that she don't have to accept your apology and that is okay too. She's like hey no you can't do this now and on the show when you had her number you know people around here. You could have reached out to anybody. Say i wanna. I want to make this right because i was wrong. But that's the thing you didn't think you were wrong. You thought you were fine to do. So you're like you can't say a one hand. She didn't do anything to deserve that in. Not saying you did some snake shit. It's like wait. what what what. Wait a minute either. She had nothing to do with it or she did or she did. You need to pick a toast tool to sit on. You need to pick one. Pick a seat which table you want to say that. Because i can't do this would you. You're not gonna keep saying she didn't deserve it and then go. Well you kind of did because you will snake like you kind of did because you mouthy quote unquote you candidate. Because you provoked me. How does she provoke. You bet you started that fight chevron home okay. She provoked her but she should have the ability to self regulate so that somebody provoking her doesn't make her turn into a lunatic. Right and them up. So the thing. When i think about to that 'cause i was like sitting here like i watch this fight again because i'm like wait a minute so win. She started with inkling. I love you guys. See when karen said it. It didn't hit like. Oh she's trying to be nasty to me because karen was the first person to say. Oh she's a goes. You love it because you've got some monitor him oni. Yes she loves when she got some liquor in her and here comes. Ashley are who says the lake house. Ma'am stevie wonder could see that. They're not why would you do this. And this is gotta be how you wanna do. This and canada said we are where we are back there and it was just like you see. People won't wait a minute. It's like that's not a good place to be and she's she's b-actor and sounds like you had a big friendship. No we didn't is a sad. it was faked. I'm like wait a minute. What it was like so then all of a sudden it's like they get heated. But candice. Like i wasn't getting heat at this point it's like i kept walking away from you is like i had a little wine me though and that's fine is like i wasn't mad when i did it. It was just like. I'm just like let's just make Let's just make light of this when she said you. You're faking being asleep. And i can see why she thought that but as me. I'm someone who if i'm sleepy. If i'm tired i could be talking. You found that can be dead asleep. Only saw also hunt. Don't want to talk to them in their room. Tall sleep with around it. So i can so the undersea bob like. That's the thing. I think when it comes to these like this especially the thing about monique in kansas. A lot of people rejecting what what they would do. So that's probably why i'm like. I don't know she wasn't. I don't think she was faking. I'm like i hope not. But i could see why people would think she was like also fall shares right just she was making a joke is like how dare you shade me. I'm like man you just said she's only being nice to you because she got liquor in now what's really going on. It's like wait a minute. It's okay for you to do that. But they can't have this snappy shade. That and karen have because there's a little bit more to that don't fully believe that candace was completely calm because it must have bought. Something bothered her enough for her to be like while you sleeping like clearly. Something bled under. The friendship was a facade. Like it was like. Oh so we're not really friends so that wasn't me helping you. Read a cease and desist about g. See she'd be wrong. She brought this up camera also. That wasn't me helping you get a cease and desist. Because your best friend. Tom people your business about how you fucking some trina like. Oh let me see. I know why she being. Monique is coal with having a false french ship on the show with candace sell having a false relationship with jamal on camera is not acceptable How about why is that not okay. And why is that your business like we don't whine and make up croatian ships for television. I don't believe first of all that every housewife on every series in the franchise. They're all besties. I don't believe definitely that there's a lot now. If if you're going to expose on camera that False friendship okay. Then you're admitting their false false relationships on tv are okay. so get off. sales jock. If she's got if ju- if your mom lives in the phone mall the phone he lives at the phone neckline. He can live there. Like you know the indian in the cupboard. It's like okay like what was the problem. I've definitely the. I don't want to forget back to to sell. It just made me realize made me realize like if you're gonna stay like your friendship was fake on tv in bothers candidacy. Say you said that like why are you. Are you having false friendships. But it's not cool if someone has a fake relationship with their ex husband like it's all like it's all hypocrisy all hypocrisy crecy the watch moaning egg like this but then candidate having to walk away and when i feel like i'm about muscle boxes if it bothers me in a way can't that i've had trouble putting into words so there's two things let's hear the words so the first thing is i find it very interesting that people are telling candice to get over it hertog that you should just get over but sure not adding into the fact that for over a year. People have been telling her that a physical violence is okay. Because we don't like to sit. That comes out of your mouth. But john can't pinpoint any words that she said that required hands none of them. You're telling her she should feel you're not taking in the fact that she had to go through litigation it got dismissed but she could press charges unlike god. I hate to break it to you. She had like there is statute of limitations. She could have done this in two years and she was still be within her rights because she has three years to do. So it's like man. That's what happens in maryland. She had three years to file charges so he didn't have to do it instantly and she didn't so why people say like. Why are you making this such a big deal. She got beat on camera. People doing youtube videos blog post articles people sliding our dm's tweeting her writing shit under her instagram. They were saying shit on facebook. This is that is a lot that is like literally going you deserve physical violets. You deserve that and the person that hits you used to be your friend you count them as very close. You have been around their children. They have been intro mama's birthday party. Y'all were friends. she helped you. She listened to you. She used the mouth that you'll is so reckless and so terrible. She used that in defense of you too ashley. That is why she always got time and space for ashley's ass. She was like she got her mouth correction. She got a of ashley. She got time for her. And it's like like this is not like why is this not okay. And she's never she's never gonna hit anybody she's like. No i know how to use my words and that is fine is like it's okay like she don't have mouth and nobody else except ashley. Every other night she got into a with cherise. Giselle robin hell even monique. She has apologized to all of them without any prompting. She just apologized. She worked shit out with cerise so when actually made it. A point to tell zell. She made every effort to be french. As if she didn't know cherise before she filmed the whole fucking season with sheri's therese was a friend but she was a lot of shit she was still on the show. Why are you actually a complete stranger why y'all doing this. Y'all talent it also said thing. Why are you telling her that. Physical violence is okay. Why are you telling by a few mouth off to somebody. They had the right to put your hands their hands on you. If monique and i've been saying this was a man which i'll tell her that. Or would you say sir you're dead s. wrong and you should have walked away and you should have had some more restraint. Why are we not saying that to monique what it was like if domestic violence is not a hetero thing so if they were in a relationship and moaning beat her as was just be saying that no because we know that violence violence is the last resort. You are thirty seven fucking years old and you acting like my dad. Put my thing on face old where you and also is you. I would feel some sort of way. You say it on national television. You bullied me. And that's what. I heard people at thirty seven. I was thinking that ten eleven th girl get you some therapy ditch get vine s to a therapist expeditiously. You have a real problem and the bad part about his people are like oh gosh. She had a hard childhood kansas. His mother is dorothy dorothy therapists and she missed diagnosed her child as bipolar. And what i understood about ashley. I'm sorry candace is that let me tell you something about somebody who has a mother that don't let them speak. That always talks down to them. You think she going to take any shit off of anybody. Fuck out my face. I wish to fuck you would like you. Dorothy go lay your ass out like i don't take shit from dorothy. Your name is not dorothy. I take a shift from you break fuck. Y'all think y'all are like. Why are you telling them that. This is okay because this is where colors comes in. Y'all i'd say shit to ashley. What is your say. Robin was dead ass wrong to come onto her restaurant and get in her face. Not fuck she wasn't. I told you. Stop fucking talking about me. And she's like. I'm gonna say what i want to fuck you. Not y'all bring up that got them but a knife. I'm like excuse me if we're talking about hood rules you don't put your finger. Nobody's face rule number two. I'll tell you get the fuck out my house. You get the fuck out period. Like i told you to get out. Why like y'all would not have flipped. Y'all shit if i told you to get out this thing. Your houses show mama's house she shoulda punch the day right in her face bits. I said get the fuck out my house. That's the violence that wanna see. i'm nile. don't understand who cares throughout the house. But when i like girl sainthood bitch i am. I don't beat them bitches. As and get the fuck out of my house and not only that. She came right back in twice. We also need to stop with the butter. The butter knife at pulled butter. Like what the fuck is this. Is the new black. Like she robbed it in front of bowl like an answer. What was i go. yeah thank you. We're flinging butter knives like i. I need to leave at butter knife in the past. Because i just like to give it at any more moments than it's gotten inciting here like ma'am you do rely. Y'all go realize she was sitting. She said the head of the table. Ashley was sitting right next to her. She really wanted to stab her. She literally had the arm length to do it. She was far to stabbed her. Like what are you all stabbing with a knife. You can stab voter. that's it. i was like would you want to do is like ma'am i just. What are you doing. Y'all literally telling her her feelings. Oh not valid but on the same token saying oh my god i understand. Why mony did it. Because i be mad too so you are give see. This is why y'all are literally telling black women. Don't be strong don't show. You're like stop telling black. Women be so strongly need to have emotions. Also y'all bitch. If you'll stop fucking crime i really i. The the the comments on the post about her crying I feel like her response to being beat up on national. Tv for doing her job and telling her how long data should affect her is just like not. It's not for us to judge. In like the cola with the waterworks would to someone with trauma not only trauma with the fight trauma about her. Her childhood is so unfeeling. And it's and it's imposing your own experience on someone else and wack Super appropriate word for that could also bring up the fact that we were like you better shut up before she put your hands on you again. Let me tell you something did say that to kenya. Y'all have never said that kanye. Can you get time and a half for portions ass. She always got something to say. She said at the season after she doing this shit now. None of y'all telling her shut up before push put her hands you again. I don't agree with the the sentiment that if you to be afraid of you ought to hurtful. I also don't agree with the sentiment that if you've got a mouth you might encounter the wrong person in the wrong person quotes for those against deals. Mum big end. You won't have control over their reaction the wrong person if their reaction is to beat me up for my mouth it the matter that is on them. I mean that's the thing. I feel like that's adult one one. You can control what comes out of. Someone's mouth you can control how you react to it. That is aimed. he can't control somebody else. It's weird and so people don't think i'm just picking on black franchises. Lemme say this margie. Joseph reports the water on danya. She pushed her husband in the pool. Danielle turned around dumped her purse context in a lit candle and then grabbed her ponytail and did a horse collar and pulled around at that reunion margaret dug in her s. Nobody told margaret to shut up before she grabs you again. Nobody so no one is like one. I don't give a fuck if she punched her seventeen times in the head. You put your hands on me and we. I will have time for you every time. Been like you're gonna bite harley one. Because i'm a light harass right on up please touch me again and i'm gonna talk about you. I'm like you put hands on. Bets are off. no. I'd always have something for you. So why else in here like she should be afraid of. Monique for what nobody who has been in. A physical altercation on bravo should be scared of the person that put their hands on them. Who fuck y'all thank. Y'all absolutely not get out of your. Why like she should be afraid of her Why i mean maybe she is afraid of her but at the same time if mony hands on her again that just makes her even more awfully cost the threshold. So let me get balance. Let me get myself together right. I haven't been waiting for her outside. I'm like okay so you wanna fight. Come on lift press depressed. The money would perceive. The she touched her again would be clearly. This woman needs help. And we i feel like most of us are already there will she need. She needs some anger management. She needs therapy but like actually i mean he said that to. You have got to stop putting your hands. 'cause cain wasn't the only person she put her hands on on camera down the alley so that's why like she has she also stop putting your hands on people came for symphonia right in the stomach and nobody said she shouldn't put her hands on her like well she did touch you. I was all right. No one is called cynthia violent. No one has said anything like cynthia like well. Cynthia defended herself. Why can't because you don't like her in that. I don't care if you don't like her. She wasn't my favorite either. I think she's enjoyable. She's a disaster on twitter. I'm like y'all been paying attention to what she said she has see. That's the thing she's always. Reacts dare because even when they bring up this shit with her and ashley. I'm like you do realize actually started that. But she deleted the tweets. So you don't know that you don't know this so she says about me. I don't know. She wrote directly to chris. Because she started with chris and then kansas like stop talking to my husband. You wanna fight. You could talk to me. And it's like it's like you like they're going back and forth. Because i realized when she said that stuff actually was in labor she's like i was responding to her so the question is why are you. Tweeting and fucking labor may wait a minute. Maybe the heated conversation put put her in the labor. Like which she's like. Well she was in labor. How would i know bit. I don't follow her and also. Why are you tweeting at me. While i'm urine labor is like it can't be don't react. I'm like don't start nothing with me. Why are you starting with our. You're like her mouth is so reckless is a reckless. Because you don't have nothing back. She's a little too for y'all her mouth is reckless in. There is a difference between what she does in being alike polite human. I'm not saying she needs to water itself down but she does need to take some space between when she went when stimulus connects her way and when she decides to verbalize reaction. There needs to be space. There is because i mean my like. You can't control where people come at airplanes candidates to and it's like i think but her. I'm like yeah. She ain't the unicorn on bravo with reckless mouth and so even the most reckless mouth own potomac. So i'm like why she's in this other realm because you don't like her she's like i don kelly. A terrible person is a terrible person on twitter is the disaster. Y'all call her disaster. You call candidates. What am i looked at sigi vic lers flickers twitter on us right jato. Oh sorry wait. No i don't i don't the follow. Sagis stopped when i was like. Oh my gosh. She's a trumper. Oh my god that's grand opening. Grand closing on cigarette. Flicker i was like she is soggy flicker. Get on my nerves on my. I had to follow her. And i'm like oh dear. Why are you like this. I'm like why so many people just say a black woman deserves violence in. It's like i that. Don't sit right with me. And my homegirl. i'll like it. I think it's terr- it's a terrible precedent to set that if you quote unquote mouth off to somebody. They have the right to put their hands one. No they don't to know they don't three. You've lost your fucking mind. You got me full circle. Walked up if you think that you can put your hands on me and then on top of that. I got to be afraid that you can put your hands on me. No you're not like so first of all. No you're not second of all. I'm not doing this what you know. That's like why is it and the thing about this. How cancel culture quote unquote really works. Cancel culture is not canceling. Everybody is only cancel culture. When it's somebody you don't like you had no problem canceling somebody. You don't like if it's your faith and we're like oh. My kids'll council is tangible. No holding accountable is what you don't like munia belong to put her hands on her period. And y'all don't wanna do that. You wanna find excuses. How many times does she have to say. You didn't deserve you. Tell your pastor. You tell ashley you telling us now when the reunion how many other words you'll still find a way because you don't like heinous y'all won't be fine ways. If she hit somebody else. I think that cancel culture. I don't believe in it. I refer to it as accountability culture because harassed apologizes. It's over and done with than I think there are things like Daassi removed from bravo is mount cancelling. Her it's holding her accountable. Gave and i don't i mean i didn't. I didn't realize what stacy was up to i. If vanderpump came back. I would have been into like her being on the show. But don i i wasn't like mourning her loss but good. I don't. I don't need to. And i definitely came into the season like now really understand. I mean i knew. Candidates had a background of clear emotional abuse. Her mother hit her with a purse. I when the when the comment started coming in about everybody who is anti candace was like While you deserve it because your mouth and even your own mom wants to be. Your asset. Really felt really gross and inappropriate. Reminded me up when marlo told can't kenya even your mother doesn't want her. You look at that point. And i was like okay. So that's a lot. No yeah that was horrible from our lawyers say and it actually made me feel away marlow for a while like. I don't think that shit like that when you use other people's trauma as ammo i. You're off my list. Like i'm not going to ride with you And i really think it's messed up that like people like i've heard even people that i genuinely generally rather agree with like saying like how can you sit on this stage and say that you have on your still not okay but you still have like these little snippets in one liners for Moni the entire time you're on the reunion stage and for me. It's like if i'm embarrassed by getting might my ass be on tv and it's also I'm also the type of person who's been told her entire life that she's a boundary pusher. That she's a rat that her words like her detriment and she's got a mouth It's gonna be really difficult for me to watch all i remember. He said it took her like months to watch the footage and she didn't want to see herself that way but she said and i can get that like she said it was because she didn't want to see yourself fighting with her former friend but i really think that there's an element to it. Which was like. I what i'm about to watch his validating negative shit that i've heard my entire life that i deserve bad things to happen to me. Because of my behavior and She has also continually heard feedback throughout the season. And after the season that I'm guessing there's a lot of self blame that what happened to her is she. doesn't outwardly. say it she did get kinda -bility for her mouth but my guess is that there's something deeper stuff in there. That's like her blaming herself because she's been traveling told most of her life by family right her mother. That lake when bad shit's happened to your fault. Because you're a brat your mouthy you like. Do this do that. And i would imagine if i had this type of upbringing like that. This video might validate some of that. Shit that she's been trying to therapy is out of her. Co shouted heard so this negative self talk probably trying to like get away from it. Move grow from. It's going to take her back there. It's going to remove a lot of that work that she's been doing that says i'm not to blame for the way that i've been treated by my mother. I'm not to blame for the waiting. Monique has been trading. But this video takes me back to that place being a child who's blamed for everything that comes out of my mouth for being hit by my mother as an adult. Perhaps even as a child like there's just so much deep shit there that is so inappropriate. For how dare you s- claim to be traumatized and turn on the waterworks. But also be angry enough. Monique to have one liners snippets. Like you can't tell someone what trauma let's like. I am not going to tell you what account i saw this on. But i did see someone saying that. If you're so traumatized you sit there and be quiet. And i like not the same thing is fear and it also is your like that. You can't feel trauma and also be fucking pissed. I was really like so y'all is like i'm glad you brought that up so y'all wouldn't be mad at the person who literally had no problem lying about what happened. Bill lied even everybody. Everything came out nationally. Going to sit up on this reunion and play in your face and you're gonna say a word it'd be like oh bitch fuck you because we can't say no list normalized not accepting apologies and people's apprised. Kansas didn't accept her apology showing saint got to. it's like crying about because you're trump. You're traumatized yes. Let's also normalize crying about getting your ass speed on. Tv traumatizing you and scratching old wounds. That may damn song. And now she's like you ain't deserve nothing. I'm like so take the song del. Oh that's right. You're not going to do that. No i don't think i think that. Perhaps it she took so long to apologize is because she wants she. Monique is is a celebrity and she has a whole camp of people that aren't working for her. that are on the internet. Telling her that she's acquaint and she is like every she did the right thing like really difficult for you to come to this conclusion and be self aware when you have a camp of millions of people telling you that you're clean and you made the right decision a deserved it. I think even the same person with that kind of feedback would have a hard time taken the ego out of it and saying like i actually should not have done that it. It's in. I think it's It's it's really difficult when you have a band of people saying like no you're right even if your conscious assault saying like i wasn't right i when you can do that right and i don't think she's there yet and i think that i think that she knowing that she has this base of people that are like yes girl dragged her dragged her like. She's got. She's got a market for that song. So it's it is not. It is not a coincidence of the drop date furlough. Video is the same day that the reunion came out the final day of the reunion and that the apology also dropped that day. No i don't. I don't think that she apologize because she was for lack of a better term. Riling her vase for this song correct. That's what i think correct. Ms what i think about that. So check it to see her as a great this like alison. Why yard less. You should be scared of. Monique mony should be scared of her as we now no bump day should be scared. It's kind of like what so. I wouldn't wanna counter angry mounting in an alley. I know i wouldn't but also beat her as not a candidate sir. I fight with my mouth. I'm not as good at after a while like 'cause that's why when the five happen i was never like. Oh she's terrible. And she's irredeemable. She's not but hurt her coming. You know coming back from this. This requires some humility. That moaning is not willing to have. She's not willing to relinquish some of that Popularity equity she has built up exit popularity equity. That's what it is she doesn't. She's not willing to relent. Which is why when her therapist Said write her a letter. She was like oh. No no no mike because you still in some part of you feels like what you did was the right thing either. It's right or it's not it is not your you. Were not right to put your hands on her. And the reason you did it you have been inventing different reasons for putting your hand on her down with her hands. We've done to my chin. Firstly was she through the glass second was she smashed the glass face third was she put her fingers in my face. Fourth was was provoking me with spinning and wearing a week. And now it's a hand or what is it next week. it can be all of those things. Stephanie still needs to control herself right. It was like what's it. What's what's happening on next week's dragon. Ball z goku. What is happening. What find out next week. What's the new excuse. Shut the hell up. I may i get the thing on his. I really wish you just went into this going. I'm upset i. This is mad day and i'm a keep saying something or mad day because i am mad so if what you're saying is true About and we'll get to this plot because i thought If you're saying what happened is true. You have a right to be a little bit upset. You should be fucking angry. But because monique is trying to control everything. This is how fights happen. Because you are not reconciling your feelings you are not honoring yourself and your soul and your mental by actually saying i am very upset and i have a reason. It is mad day and you hit kansas. 'cause it was easier to get to her. As opposed to g g quote unquote giselle. Surrise putting them in quotes. Because you're saying they did this and said no she didn't and giselle said no. I have not there was no plot. So it's like ma'am the person that you really should be mad at. You can't put your hands on. Ns frustrating because you know about that is his thing with g. It will be a fight because she'd fight back. You can't get the drop on her. Y'all both from jersey. I get it is like i get it. I'm from baltimore. That's why i knew rodman fuck you up. If you put your hands on her robin would a dog walks your ass. Y'all gotta stop being better. Lead agreement bandit alone. She looked punchy. She seemed like she would fight. But i i'm going to stand by candace being afraid of monet's because i'm not a fighter. Either of the head against the table. I would keep distance and they had enough distance at the reunion that i also would have been like under my breath ever kit. Traumatized in would have been okay. I should be able to do vows. Should be able to do both because it's like mony win. Candace was talking so it was like y'all afam with the happened on every reunion. They always do that. She did that on season three reunion when she was mad and candles like just be zen just bs in just in. Just don't don't say so. That is not new behavior from monique in like mail. It's okay to have feelings. You not this robot. You have a reason to be upset. Nobody is saying that you don't but the thanksgiving so much life to this rumor. It makes me look at you funny. It's like wait a minute. This is extremely true. Why didn't she react. The way to karen did when giselle said Talked about how your husband wanted. Erica lyles you chris. Camp like oh shut the hell up to sell. That is not true and notice. Nobody else talks about it and i agree to some extent that giselle was like uber autumn pointing to the samuels. Like giselle did say it on camera but the samuels didn't have to go live in talk about it. it never. It could have been like a passing rumor. That never came up again just like the farm and mr blue us thank you. That was like literally the same why you had to like what she did was so hair. Blake eric lyles. Mr blue is a fireman. Which interesting love. Karen actually said that shit too. It was like why can't messed karen could be messy It's like. I don't know why they i don't know why they breathe. Life into that room is like there's some fire under that smoke. A sad part in over is i really hope not either. Because i'm like girl is like i monica's beautiful woman. She has beautiful. Children has a beautiful family But i think it's very interesting that your story about this fight has changed. Ggv story about what happened when the trainer has not. Her story has not changed. And i'm like this is a problem was like hurt. She's had the same story when chris and The black socialites. He likes he posted. He's deleted by now but it was on instagram. He posted the text messages between him. And chris about what happened. Everything that chris bassett said happened happened. It was like he gave me most accurate account. Because that's what he got from. Kansas kansas state and lie about what happened. You made. It seem like she laughed. I'm like but that is what happened. I so i don't. I have not a genealogist. But i don't think that the baby isn't crisis. I don't i mean everybody keeps saying that. She looks like him and i mean i guess. I really haven't seen enough of the baby that analyzed phase. I thought chase news. Look like chris so when they showed a clip of him say up see him. Who does he look like zell. He was like what you're being funny because he doesn't miss he. Seems like yeah. Who else was he look like. There's only two options for who he would look like you or mommy. I'm very confused where you're doing this. I see knew that she knew she was rumors that were going on. She neil he was referring to them but she was doing that thing where she's like auto. No amy right. So it's like if so when and multiples tweeting this last night when they were watching you an abreu's on when she said the streets of potomac are talking about the affair and she's like what do do you don't even live here. Oh you think people don't talk to her. they know. Many streets are tomac like craig. Who's like girl. The fourth streets of potomac are all talking about it like okay like call me when they're talking about in a real city like potomac and it's so funny i'm like you like okay moaning. I'll give it to you. Maybe they tell zell they might have told to raise if it's on the streets of dc or baltimore like paul is like the streets of potomac. I talk and i'm like are you saying that because that's where the show is filmed because a where the toast film. But apparently my thing was until multi-car. I'm like i don't know what the hell she's talking about. What is he talking about. But then i saw comment on. Somebody's page like yeah. I remember. i'd jeep page had talked about this affair years ago. I had seen it before the show. I wasn't surprised. I'm like talk about this because i feel like. Monique had a lot of the bigger blogs on luck because none of them talked about this like they didn't because a lot of the people who were like putting out videos and blog posts about the show by the fight some of them took down those videos saying that she's kansas started the fight all of a sudden. You talk line check down. Y'all started that fight. Do you think the fact that the samuels breed so much life into this. Rumor is because there's church. I think there may be a little truth even and it's like maybe maybe inappropriate laugh. 'cause even someone asked because when she did our facebook live feed the lead. But it's on the youtube if y'all wanna watch it she said. I don't think they slept together. I think for the most part they may have been like flirting with at the most. I think flirting with the trainer which definitely is inappropriate for her as much as he says. I'm a wife and i would never do this. I think that's the most what happened. and the thing about is did. Say i shouldn't have had alluded to her Getting rid of the baby or the paternity of chase. I shouldn't have did that. Because i think she was talking. More about the baby she lost and people were saying she didn't lose it. She had an abortion some like. I don't think that's what she did. She also i don't care if she did. I'm like i don't care. And i don't think she doesn't seem on brand for you doesn't always like maybe a bit less the trainers. I dunno rumbling. I'll dirty digging around. i'm like i honestly am not digging. I'm like i don't care. I'm like i'm really don't i'm like i can't do this. Because the unfortunate thing people are saying about Kind of from the black socialize is that he was spending so much time building his brand. He wasn't going to dialysis. And i'm like i really hope that is not true. I hope he really was because one dials is one of those things where you can't not consistently do it is not happen i really i really hope that ally alleged i'm like i hope that's how that's false because i'm like that is like why would you risk your health. I hope he's not. I hope he did not do that. Like i really don't like i hope that's just wrong because i'm like i'll get in this room. I just like the one. You can't sit up here and talk about your childhood trauma but didn't tell cannon she's being ridiculous about crime about something last year you're talking about with child in your thirty seven years old. I lost their calls. Validate you want somebody to on a your trauma. You're paying your triggers from childhood. 'cause i mean sometimes there's things that you're talking that fucks you up. That's all i'm like. No i asked that. I can see that. Which is why. I haven't feeling. That's what fuels Candidates being so vocal and having no problem to get down in the gutter with you because of her childhood with dorothy. Dorothy probably does that. And she probably his head no choice. She can't she can't fightbacks. You can't fight back with her words with her mama. She learned how to do that elsewhere. Everybody else but northey also taught her that you fight with your words. You don't fight with your hands so you can't apply hood rules candidates when she ain't grow up there and they should leave her purse star. Self right i was like why are you popping with the person like that's weird and it's like so yeah. Violence is not a way to handle when you can't go toe to toe with somebody verbally and here it. I'm gonna fail it. A monique's like to like triggers to like from her hands and face really made her snap to the point in which she hurt candidate say pay. But i do say inveterate yeoman that it happens and at sucks that happened to canvas but you have to take a common ability before one year passes. Because i don't know if it's destroyed. But supposedly she turns to like pressing charges. An i like your highlight your take as to like why she did that but originally she said if she had apologized i wouldn't have but he kind of thing that you're locked it is also you're putting y'all putting it out there like i deserve this and it's like an because i started fight but she's like if i press charges i that means it shows that i'm not the one who did this. I think i really. I had not thought about it. Way was she said. Somebody told this and i will say this monique. You're full of shit with that reason why you're not mad at karen for her saying i would oppressed army. We're friends i would never like you. You god damn laugh. You won't sit up here and get mad at kansas for inviting cherise to her anniversary to mow anniversary party. But you got mad at caring for telling her okay to press charges will you that evolve bits fuck got him a face it takes some it takes some compartmentalizing stay like while i understand that karen would say that that for herself she would press charges the ability to parse all that out so that you are as angry at karen as one who has reactionary might be that takes work that we have not seen that monique has the ability to do. I do think that if if mony headed any point shortly after the fight said exactly what she said on the on the reunion last night which is like my trauma my ptsd. To whatever new. And i took that on you. This was not yours ever to receive. I apologize that We would have been able to humanize monique in a way that we were unable to because she was pretty much removed from the season and it would have also allowed candice to have a vulnerability that would Probably protected her from so much vitriol that she has experienced this whole season because she would of we would've seen been able to see what her reaction was to beating. People up is cool. I did this to you. I'm sorry this is the this is the reason. It's not an excuse but it is what happened in the moment. I don't expect you to forgive me or if these forgive me now. But i want you to know that it is. It wasn't yours. I apologize and this is a rancid bouma. Be lying here my feelings. But i'm not going to honor your boss like that's not okay. You cannot tell me as a monique fan or as monique that somehow monique's trauma Shit is more valid than candace crying. Still like why is like super weird to me. It's like no scenario weird to me and it's not really the only thing i can boil it down to his people. Just don't let candice. Oh that's it. there's no other reason. Can't there might be other reasons. I would love to hear the a new episode comes out. I don't fully of the mouth deserve like weird to me is like if your if your reaction to a mouth is heard is like then. I don't know what to see. Then get off a show where you're getting paid to talk. You're getting paid to be in this situation. All of y'all are literally being paid to be mouthy. Show us our lives and be mouthy with each other like why are you at. I'm so maybe. That's why i'm only has decided to return. Because she doesn't yourself she was like i was being gassed. Let you mean you weren't as leading. You're so used to all these bloggers bog smoke up your way saying that canvas deserve this. The minute the people who the person who represent your boss any better boss. But that's not the point you're representing bravo. Even though he don't work problem the more according to him but he represents your boss. How are you going to sit here and just go. Oh my god you hold me like y'all gaslight in me. Now he's holding you accountable. He's only accountable. Mcmahon you. I don't know any job where you can hit your co workers and keep your job and the fact that they did fire you. They have anybody for violence. So that's why. I was when people like she. She'd be fired. I'm like no now that bravo non umbro. I'm like yeah this girl. Nobody has been fired for fighting. Nobody like fire someone. The wwe omega. Y'all were fighting. we're in wrestling. i mean. I don't know i don't i should have been fired. She walked too and the thing about. I said like as she leaves. It's going to be of her choice. They're not gonna ask her to leave because they don't have the precedent of. Oh you fight. You're gone they don't have that it's like nobody's been fired at the most demoted and That was porsche and because she added so much to season they brought her ass right back on like okay. Well you you bring stuff. Don't bring what porsche brings to atlanta. Grandma alana they argue with them. I just stopped everything that they said they was like Candidate somehow bay into their roaches and threw a knife s. Somebody and everything that you just said was something that she did too. Ashley what does he do to the greenwich house. 'cause a girl not the everybody everybody on say. She told ashley she didn't know when i'm on lead them. What knew the money now with another now. Tell me nothing to ashley in kansas. If bring we're gonna talk about my league in kansas. I want to know what they can do to me now. What candidates ashley.

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MM154: Capitol with an "O" (w/ Courtney)

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MM154: Capitol with an "O" (w/ Courtney)

"In her hello and welcome to the mobile minutes podcast. I'm stephanie. thank you so much for joining me. You can find podcast on apple podcasts. Stitcher radio google play tune in cast box iheart radio and spotify find this on any of those platforms or where else you get your podcast also. Still soliciting for ratings and reviews. If you'll be so inclined please leave some five stars. Leave some reviews what greatly appreciated. Also you can find me on instagram facebook and twitter at moga minutes on all three of those platforms. If you want to shoot me an email give me some feedback other than on those three places. You can email me at moca minutes at key. Mail dot com Hello and welcome momentous. Podcast i am stephanie. Thank you for joining me. I think are y'all have no idea. I am a whole woman with. I'm counting now to baby. Mamas one lives in the mid west. That is candice. y'all may know her from ramblings and flawless noises. I told her that. I'm like yeah. You're my. 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Package that you can purchase so you have two options you can either pay for it outright or you can just have them take the money out of your return Okay or not return but your refund and so if you choose the Take out my refund. Option with they do is is turbo tax or h. and r. block. They set up an account. So the money they Process your tax return and then they send it to the. Irs the irs looks over everything. Okay cool this looks. Great person's going to get a quote. You know a thousand dollars back. So they opted for turbotax. Take money out of your refund for the deluxe package. So as i've been going straight to you the irs. They'd send it the one thousand dollars or whatever your refund amount for they send it to turbo. Tax and turbo tax has a bank accounts that they collect the refunds in. So say the usually the deluxe. You like eight dollars one hundred dollars so they receive your thousand dollar refund. I they take out their a one hundred dollars and then they send you your remaining nine hundred dollars and someone had explained to me on twitter. And i'm like you know what that is absolutely correct. Because when i think about it when i've gotten my refund on my bank statement. It doesn't say it's from the irs. It says it's from germany. So that makes sense so so the the big thing was well. Why did it happen this time. And you know i we. This is our second stimulus. Why didn't it happen the time before and showed the thing was once tax time is over. They closed the account. But if you recall stimulus the score. I english was sent out and what was that may june so the was still during tax time right of course also extended tax time this year to waste non january july fifteenth so the account was still open so they received. The stimulus is a turbo tax in asia. Our block were able to send them out with no issue because the bank account was still open. This time make account was closed. So when the irs prior to issue the stimulus It bounced back because their accounts aren't open so it rejected the stimulus package on behalf of millions of customers. Southern they hatch go arm bent and tax to go and give all the banking information than to the irs so they could send it s directly for. That's what took the extra time so which was only four days but you hear people's they started getting their payments right. What december thirtieth people were getting interest payments already saw in the official day like the official official day was supposed to be january fourth so ours. was four days later but i'm not in a situation where it's like i quote unquote needed the money outside of my health and wellness in. I like. I'm older money from the government from having to deal with this situation but i can only imagine like you know you been waiting. You know you got twelve hundred dollars or whatever back in may june and now you could possibly have been living off of unemployment but maybe not and you know like your people have been waiting on that money and i can just only imagine like you hear something like this and it's like howard off up this bed and you know people really truly honestly need this money to even just maybe pay a little bill or maybe hold off her an illegal of itching so that was really funny like the i wanna say to think of the word is memorandum. I think that's the word they may have been using but probably saying this incorrectly where they weren't gonna allow states to do injections that expired i thought at the end of two thousand and twenty so a the pen so the cdc had issued a moratorium on evictions speak. Thank you is the word. Yeah moratorium member michael. Memorandum's write a memo saying they issued So the cdc so there's a federal eviction moratorium and then there was different ones by stage. So the cdc the federal one did expire a would have been expiring that would have been december thirty first but They extended i believe until may and then california where you know where i am. We have our home stuff that came through through our own state legislature. So if anyone's listening in they have concerns check your also counties have done alameda. County has their own protection as well sold. Luckily where i am like were tripoli protected because the county state and federal have all implemented different moratoriums and package. It will packages where you could. You know there are some rent relief as well And bike the back. Even after the moratorium ends if you owe money between like march in october which they're extend to march to december of twenty twenty. You still that money. But they can't bit you behind owing that money on. They have to work with you to figure out a payment plan room so But one's listening you have concerns about your rights as a tenant. look up Any tenants rights organizations in your state or your county would will happily provide you with any of that information Do not leave your home day. You are protected zero order. Do not do not let your landlord intimidate you. Out of leaving your home for nonpayment i will say for. The cabbie out is for non-payment. Do the covid. You are running around breaking shit and herash your neighbors. I cannot protect you know. You're being a nuisance protected. But if it's do if it's because of non payment and you are struggling because of Job loss or quebec hours because kobe. there are protections for you. Please look that up. Please please please do not leave your home. Please don't please please don't unless you have somewhere safe unless you have somewhere safe. I can't tell you to say but if you are feeling like oh they're gonna victims they do not have a right to not let them harass you. We contact with a tenant's rights organization. They help you because when we have been showing their whole astle over the past few months so we are quite career. Thank you mytalk. Hit courtney help if you have clashed with now. First before we get into god lows these topics but i wanna give some people some roses. I am when you. ns really interesting. This is really interesting. Now that i think about it so we buried my grandmother Back in december and we she had of course when you lose someone. People give floral arrangements. They also give plants and so she had this beautiful floral arrangements. We have sprays from the casket and you know flowers. All around the funny thing about it is that my aunt reminded me when i was leaving because we went back to because of like funerals dohrn kobe. It probably was one of the smoothest things. I've ever seen a funeral. The funeral home did an amazing job with my grandmother But my aunt was laughing. Because she's like you know sell funny. Grandma didn't shame like fresh flows like decide. She showed that in because anytime somebody gave her flowers. She literally girl you take. These lowers homes. Take this home take these home give it to your friend give it like she just gave it away so now when i think my giving people they're roses is like like knowing that we gave the whole bunch of flowers when she wasn't like she's no longer here anyway just makes me it just triggered something different than me but i wanna give my roses because the fact that georgia went blue and flip the senate. I'm giving my my roses to stacey abrams. Let me tell you something. then why. People in georgia's y'all fucked your own sales because all y'all had to do was just let her win governor. You couldn't let her do it. You had to go in and try to fuck this up. And now she's like. Oh i'm gonna make sure this never happens to nobody so not only. Did georgia go blue for the president for the presidential election and went blue and now it is a democratic senate all because you couldn't just let her be governed y'all had to cheat and i'm like that is so ridiculous to me. I'm like see this is which are get you never them. When you play child like minisat it landed have a win. You never win. So not out to stacey abrams sarah to at all and it was like her any team so those one yeah so we are going to make sure this never happens. I'm like see y'all better hope that nobody ever gives them money to go national. A lot of red states the rap rap. Y'all gonna be in trouble. They can i add to that to those. And i do my roses also also to were tash around the founder of black voters matter. Yes yes who was also Worked alongside stacey in getting our young black and brown people registered for educating them on the importance of voting mom. What was at risk if we did. Not vote No i think. I had said earlier on a park has last year. Might have been with you or with heerlen. That i had transitioned away from scolding black people who do not choose to vote because there's a level of exhaustion there a feeling as if you know you're not honored in your vote. is not valued so moving with more empathy. I have stopped doing. Oh you know you don't vote. You deserve whatever you know you know. Consequences you experience. I've gotten out of that. But i am still here for the fi. I will still always advocate for black voters. that's of value on the part of our family. My great grandmother on my father's side Registered black people vote in southeast san diego. She was walking. You know. Walk door to door to register people in and made a point to register black women to vote. Who of course have now gone on to be the backbone of the democrat party so having that lineage led to see it and Making sure that we our rights as voters that we are not just registered to vote but knowing our rights and understanding how those local races hal those runoff races. How those primary races are very very important. Voter education is so very very important because that will connect. I think with people people one by their votes matter because we see how voter suppression works but then on the other side people are necessarily educated on who does what right on leadership. We don't know you know how many people before now didn't know that if the senate is tied then the vice president is tiebreaking. Vote in the senate. How many people didn't know that until this race in georgia the smaller stay in the deep south national in that education in that knowledge was now widespread about how important it is to you know have the majority in the senate if you wanna push the grew like hey corona virus package in how that matters having Us senate majority of that also masters with the house majority so i am very happy. I'm always proud of black women. I always celebrate black women. I'm just very happy and very proud. And i can't wait for them to get sworn in. I don't even know when that that's the one thing. I can't find like wendy. I guess warning. Can they start monday. We got some fangs. Some things we need you to do that. We got some thank. Maybe like right. Because immediately. Because quite frankly i i'm with you i'm glad you said courtney because i was looking for me it's like voting has always been really interesting animal for me because i've never lost sight of the fact that Visits just i'm like guess now. We are born that we can vote. But i'm like. I know people that earn my and it's not even that far removed that people in my family couldn't vote or they i've before we could vote so i'm like for me. It's been like. I can't just not do it but i think this year is like i've kind of walked back as well 'cause you know it's kind of like not only are we finding voter suppression where we're also hiding voter apathy. And right i was like i can actually sit here and just you know like i just wanna say like if you're apathetic about voting it could be because of consistent voter suppression after a while. You're like well. We'll see the point who wait in line for three four hours or something like that. You wear me out right exactly. So it's like. I had like so i can see that it's it's both both built like voter suppression voter. Apathy can live without each other but sometimes they worked together so the see a lot of black people literally getting like using their platforms miles. Doing anything they can say stay. They were like. I saw a lot more black people saying stay in line. Don't read if you are in line. They have to let you cast your vote. Right have so like don't and direct contrast of what the person occupying the office at this time was saying that people were allowed to vote after closing so then trying to say that in of course we a lot of those lines that we saw in georgia in around the country right. A lot of those long lines to vote are in predominantly black and brown areas correct and those folks who are rushing over at six seven and seven. Thirty are usually wet getting off work. They got to pick up their kids at to go and do things where they could really head over there to vote so now they're in line and be holes of close but because i remind for polls close they still have to be honored with the. It's like the indirect way the very direct. You let them like voter eight thirty. 'cause they've been lights fifteen so yea as you you've closed. How many different voting locations than precinct. Right over the past five. Six ten years twenty years there used to be four voting locations. Now there's just one so yeah he it was. It was a lot of lectuing on. And it's like you could see writing when once you know and see the game you can see how they try to manipulate it all all the votes that museum after eight o'clock knowing that some of those people have been waiting for two and three hours that you know most of those votes are coming from black print. Saints a you know. Most of those votes are going to be democratic. So they try they really dried you. Try to take a shot and you missed right. So it's like yeah. I'm like yeah. Black women have been showing out basically showing what we have been saying for years. Black women are the cornerstone of the democratic party. In the you're saying the nation the nation right the nation. But just sit here like you do realize did this without us right. Y'all weren't gonna get on out there. It was us it was like. Yeah finally recognizing that and of course stacey has been working on this you know specifically she's been working one you know her a fair fight cars. They have been working on increasing voter registration of black around people of black and brown. Young people The shifting demographics in georgia to towards me younger people of color more progressive leaning individuals. They had been working on this since stacey gubernatorial race ended. How it ended dan so this has been. This has been a long time coming but to look at it. Two years isn't really that big. That's not a big time frame to major ship. I'm georgia georgia is is georgia. And the south is the south and they were able to honestly flip. I mean like what we just saw is the story they say oh just swallowing. Allstate handle herself man. He's like what is going on. Yes yes To be able to flip not only In a presidential race will you have an absolute cartoon villain running for president adults. But to i mean i i really wanna point out how kelly locked lachler is a stafford and he will separate robot so she was weird so that was just like i feel like Reverend warnock again just look like a normal nice human being next to her very weird cold rainier right. I really wanna point out how difficult it was for john. Also up again. There's our purdue comes from a very well known. Political family like running backs generation. he's very well connected His one of his relatives is in the trump administration secretary of transportation. Something me the lion Let me yes. So david perdue and of course All know that women carry off are very wealthy so it it's this is monumental on so many different levels oh sonny perdue Is david produce cousin. He's currently the secretary of agriculture. So that's what's that's the type of family. David comes from 'cause lounge. yes they're very. it's a very well connected family and so Being able to just not flip georgia for the presidential race. What's two senate seats and to get to democrats in. They're going up against who they went up against is amazing. It's amazing absolutely absolutely. Thank at both of them. Worked with john lewis was like. Oh yes okay. We're here to play. Okay got it. We're here we're here. That means because i think when it comes to like you know white democrats You always that that breath you take like you're democrat but you're still a white person so i'm very. I'm still a little wary of you but then you look at the people that are around. You just go okay. You around john lewis so he probably helps you see a lot more things of like what happened with because hillary has a lot of black women around her and i didn't know that until i watched her documentary. I'm like damn you really knew beekeeping black. We're going around you don't you. We now know. I you'd be knowing. I'm i'm glad they helped. Because i'm like yes. Thank you show I'm just. I'm just so mad that we feel like we haven't been able to celebrate them and the wind. Of course we knew that night. Reverend warnock had one but then the counting For john Ran into january. Six were they Then called the race for him but of course other things were happening. Felt like we didn't get to get settled. Celebrate this without something else coming up right. Can we like oh yeah. We haven't been able to properly celebrate the fact that we have a black woman as vice president. Like i have not been able to properly like celebrate that to put all the drama and i feel very mad about that. 'cause it's like you're stealing my joy. I appreciate very chidi. Because like when barack obama was elected we celebrate for months have homologue. We don't have. We can't even do this because that anna's hat has not conceded and he said he wasn't going to and he's not coming to the inauguration. We don't want you there but it's like where you have. It's like a six year. I like all good time. We didn't want you there anyway. But but but like the curiosity by escorting off the grounds. Anyway because i want them to ankle you like like grabbed his ankles and dragged him out because that man do a jazz throw like something is like. I mean something. I'm like i need something dramatic because this is just like this is unprecedented. This is unheard of is like the last time a sitting president did not go. Dog racing was in the eighteen hundreds. Mike sarah what. Why would you wanna call. Why do you want to make this kind of history. Right girl okay. So let's let's start low key Speaking of comma comma. Harrah's on the cover of vogue for february. I was like ooh so. There's two photos floating out with Kamla so one is the one that she actually okayed. Apparently also and a winter okay which is of her in a powder blue suit. The end is beautiful like she looks beautiful. The one that people are seeing is not the one that apparently there's two different covers. They're saying to So one cover. Kamla looks graceful. It's a gold background. She has a powder blue suit and she has arms crossed. So this is the one. They're saying that that should be the cover but that is not the one that is going around. There is one going round ping Pink and green and she has on her chuck taylors. And it's a believe is a black or navy blue suit. If i'm not in my can't tell by the colors and people are like i cannot believe y'all put comma harassed in this in this is the cover that you guys are using so i have seen both photos so i think the one in the powder blue suit is the one that they are using. That's going to be because it's for the february issue so it's probably going to be for that one but yeah okay. I'm looking better. It's a looks like a black suit. So she's got her you know her chuck taylors or black and white and it's the suit and she's standing. It's like a green and then it's a pink silk on so i don't know if that was like a oh to the fact that she is actually an ak a so those would be her colors right so i don't know which was covered. They're going to be using for the actual print magazine. I don't know if this is going to be a The digital copy. Who knows who cares. I've seen people who actually are aka. Who actually did like the pink ingrained because it was pink and green colors. So i see both. They're like oh my god this is whack. I'm like she deserves a better photo. I've seen the powder blue photo because somebody like had a threat. I think it was the author. Ali was like okay. So the one they okayed is and powder blue suit. People i would suit. I'm like so yeah. I've seen that picture too. So i've seen both niagara sure which one is gonna come up on the magazine But i just like seeing comma harris. Like i'm all about the fact that she is on the cover of vogue like yeah. I'm all about you know she's from out here. When she was born in oakland she grew up in berkeley but she climbing oak wing. But i fled their neighboring cities. It's fine. I mean look like okay like okay girl like it's fine and then of course. I shooting windsor. Canada went onto howard but he s she's from Here homegirl from here. Her in cruz actually were born at the same hospital. Yes oakland kind of gang you going. There looks like i guess well he needed backer train somebody else. That's fine so while you're doing that so tyler. Mitchell was the photographer. Believe he is a photographer. And he is the one who did the covers for Her and the ones that he had Put on his. Social media was of the him into power to blue suit So the both both are out there. I have a feeling that the pink and green and her and it looks like black trying to say black. it probably was them testing the lighting. I have a feeling in with this. I'm just very excited about. She's on the cover of vogue She is being interviewed by a woman by the name of alexis. Okay well some of about it. We got black photographer her. I'm actually assigning blackness to this person that i don't know what she looks like reason finding black mr But yeah all about this very black. And he black photo. I get what people are saying. Because we wanna see our folks in the best light We never oems are yes she is black. Nevermind i this look up. She is african. Okay so we just wanted to it in our best light and i get it was like i hear y'all i actually don't mind the pink and green but the the goal background with powder blue is phenomenal. I believe that's the one they're using Next thing in low key is keri. Hilson has decided that we can't just be quiet. We can't just do this thing where we sit over there and eat. Our food order from the uber eats. We have decided that we're going to talk about things. 'cause she is a guy damn she is a she is a damn bird and i wish he would just like go back to posting straps on instagram because she is stunning and also Tying cherry stems with tongue. Ma'am stick to that stick to the rivers and lakes that you're used to. Please do not go chasing waterfalls. Because i'm kind of sick of people like dunking on. You always reminding us that if your your career will be a lot bigger if you had just shut the fuck up about beyond say i'm like see you could have been been like you could have been like sierra. Okay that's route probably 'cause sierras here And i actually kinda liked the. I like sierra as you know. Russell wilson's wife and how cute beautiful their kids are kind of like that. But i also like to so it is what it is So we'll get into this when we get into high key but donald trump has been what seems like after everything that happened at the capital with an Building he is slowly but surely being deep platform from everything so His twitter handle not the police. Twitter handles his personal twitter handle real. Donald trump has been suspended from twitter. And all of a sudden you saw everybody else declared forming him. So miss miss miss. Carrie decided to get all up on her Her story. I really don't understand why she took a break from the cherry stems. Because i feel like she could take class but was pregnant so now she's transitioning into. Oh god what will probably be her being an anti vaccine of old so she's she is cunanan light. It seems okay all right so she decided to put this on her instagram. It was a screenshot of Donald trump's twitter handle being suspended. And she said this may be funny but it is a little dangerous to take trump out of it for a moment. A democracy must include freedom of speech. Imagine other leaders are popular figgers. Not being able to voice their opinion if it opposes the majority of world leaders our freedom of speech being taken from us slowly but surely censorship if the leader of the free world can be removed. Imagine that same right of citizens imagine believing every time you re false information detected and propaganda deceptive reports in flat out lies being the only thing we see. So here's a fun thing about that. Kerry nigga actually get their accounts suspended. Why are you acting. Don't like so high but years before right. Not even course drum. Yeah look at the drama. He's caused the past four years. This motherfucker was on twitter in two thousand. Eleven spreading birther conspiracies about President obama like he's been a nuisance on twitter and they let him thrive so she can really a world leader can get booted off. Yes a world. Leader should also have to follow the terms and conditions that he signed up for. He did not get a pass because he's a world leader. That doesn't even make any sense which she say she can get a pass to say whatever the fuck he wants to and incite violence people die. People died nam. People are dying. Kim people are dying. What hell is wrong with you. Like and i tell you want to die on this the hill. I'm like i promise you never done. Donald trump no formal fashion is ever the hill that you need to die on especially when people who within a coup and did die. I'm like see he's not the hill today. I on and it was like baby. Ma'am i know you got some time. We all in the panasonic. And we got downtown movable freedom of speech and want that actually fucking maintenance does doesn't mean you can get up on twitter and say are you want. It means that legally you don't face legal prosecution. That's literally what this may. It doesn't mean you like so freedom of speech. Well can i say yeah you can call me a nigger all you want but if i punch you in the face it's like don't say nothing by freeway works is to your three also just reiterating. Twitter is a private entity when you account terms and conditions condition you violate those terms and conditions and again they can a private incident also change their terms and conditions at any point and if you agree to them i feel you know you get them all the time you will go into an update like we've updated our terms and conditions so they extended they can change at anytime so if you violate the terms conditions with a private entity in rom platform their company their business or their brick and mortar low. This is no different Someone on the news. And i forget their name and i wish i did She was on The with joshua johnson. This is no different than if you go into a restaurant you start fucking up the mood and acting a whole ask fool and the restaurant actually and been no longer no longer allowed in that location. This is literally no different than this literally. No different than someone getting kick out of a club and then banned from the club from fucking shit. This is no different. This is not him being silenced. He still has access to the inter. Kills them up and running campaign website. He could get on just post all. The videos are post notes to that website. He's still able to reach people. He has a fucking press in his house. He can call a press conference kalang. Can we talk about that heart. Nobody is silencing him. He's everything. Silence the mike you realize. He's the president of the united states and he can literally all ap whatever he can actually like. Stop everything on. Like primetime. And say i'm going to hold a press conference and every news station is going to turn it on. What are you more if he was literate past. No third grade a book report level. You can an op-ed put it in a paper. You know people. They would publish it to his breath. Said why are you brady at up and send it to the times and they would run it and it could say whatever now they would fact check him for sure but he can write an opinion piece he can. He can create a blog he can. He has access to all this money. He has access to all this technology and oh to note to note on parlor. Ivanka trump has a post Encouraging people to buy a mug because their fundraising for the trump news network. The man is not being silent. Any like twitter not wanting to deal with his bullshit and see. This is really what it came down to. You know who said people have died. Twitter is like when the shit hits the fan and people start suing for wrongful death. We're not gonna caught up in a shit where we allow people to organize a deadly attack. Because that's what it's gonna come down to. It's gonna come down to obviously people being personally responsible for their actions right but later in whatever platforms people use that can be moderated. That weren't properly moderated. That allowed all this. To thrive can be found liable. I can already see it. I can already see it. They're trying to get rid of him. Get rid of the cunanan house. Get rid of the magara folks who are specifically an mit. You can go on there and find you someone maga- person right now not everyone's being removed but the people who are obviously organizing insurrection at the capitol. Oh no you've got to go you can't you. You can organize your crazy shit if you want to. But you can't do it here. That's twitter's doing that's what everybody else is doing. You're not going. We're going to have this blood on our hands when it comes down to it corrales. That's what it's about. I'm sitting here like kerry. You could have just been girl said the hell up and it was like what i wanna know why. I'm seeing so many black people. I'm acting like trove them. Like i'm sorry but if it's more than one black person sayings on like fuck shit like this. I'm like yeah. That's one two many mike. Why are y'all doing this. Y'all literally making this to heal. Y'all wanna die on for donald trump. This man who literally step over you to get somewhere. You're fucking line it's like are you kidding. You doing this for someone who don't give a shit about you. Never gave a shit about you in the whole four years. He's been talking office. He damned showing kind of black people since the nineties but sure. Let's make this the helium. Let's talk censorship. censorship literally how many tweets are hate. Have done since his presidency. That is dangerous and inciting violence and people have been screaming and begging for him to be removed and they keep reporting the tweets. they just started adding in the fact checker in the last. Yes like october litter. Unlike excuse me this is wrong. I'm like oh thank you twitter. Thanks thanks for that. And i was kovic stuff initially only with it wasn't even with election right okay. So he is right. Was like this all you did. It's like please leave us alone. It's like yes. So fuck. Keri hilson i mean she's beautiful. Pretty girl walks is still about to me. I think she makes the but she tried to make the bops. I mean she made the bibs not the bops things like girl shut up. She apparently should delete it baby. You took too long to delete it. It'll be all seen at national. You got too many ads on your instagram for you to like let me do it after a couple of hours like oh girl so millions of people have seen the by then but yeah you can go. You can go to eternal hell. Okay with karen huger. Sorry that's rude. Yeah we don't want karen huger in eternal hell but we don't want you in casual hell for this. We want you in eternal hill. Take the censorship to eternal hill. Last thing in low key is arnold schwarzenegger lord in his whole office. Decided to make a seven minute video speaking out against what happened on wednesday and also brought up the fact that a lot of people probably didn't notice. I mean he does say he's from austria so. I'm not sure why we all didn't understand this. But apparently his father was a soldier he brought up. Oh cristo knock. Which is the nineteen thirty eight nine. She attack against jewish people homes and synagogues and told all bloody wednesday he he used the term and yeah oh the day of broken glass. That is what the oh yes. Christmas that up. He was just like wednesday. Was america's kristallnacht and i'm like i'm black. Salama have to think about this for a minute. I feel like we've had a few crystal America don't like this twenty twenty. So i know for a fact that something else worse but i mean if we're talking about now there have been attacks against the government but which had are racially motivated. Devastating attacks on black phillies. The trail of tears is data kristallnacht. We assume that like on why people. Oh we're in climbing on going. I mean closing massacre. Yeah rights movement apartment. Being bombed like. I am so confused on what you know. I don't know but yeah. He got on his seven seven minutes. I will say that. I didn't necessarily need to me. I thought it was fine I think it's very interesting. That arnold schwarzenegger seems to be the republican that he seems to be the conservative republican and or even several republicans that all conservative republicans. Act like they are. So you're not arnold in this thing because arnold schwarzenegger has been talking about redlining for a few years and i was like. That's really interesting coming from a conservative. So is really interesting to watch. Gop folks act like they. Act like arnold schwarzenegger when they don't like so you don't talk the way that he does. He literally donald duck and vote for this man. I think for the two thousand sixteen he wrote in john casick because he wasn't voting for donald trump. It's totally different. Two thousand sixteen minutes twenty twenty. I have a. He voted for joe biden. This way you know. Citizens bucked up. When dwayne. The rock johnson. Who don't talk about politics bathing whole fucking video and said i'm voting for joe biden and people literally like fuck you. I'm following you. It's like he's he's black like his daddy ain't black. I'm like you. His momma is polynesian. What are you doing is your white dude. I know he is the one of my favorite impossible white men in movies but he definitely has a black man and he has no problem. Tell your ass that but right so it's so interesting to watch one a very comprehensive minute video him bringing up the fact that his father was a nazi shoulder soldier which is like austria. Right right he is. Why like it. Blinks you out because it's like we're so used to him being here mind you. How long has he been from. Austria and he still has an accent. Erica still talk like this but it's it is what it is but Yeah i appreciate his words. Because after while i'm tired of black people speaking fucking listeners. I'm like yeah militia. White people speak young. Need to talk about this. Because what happened on wednesdays like y'all me talk about this we are. We talk about how they are and cut killers like your domestic terrorists. Used to haul words. Because i think people was mitch mcconnell. Call them thugs. And they're like mike. Oh so really. Oh because you're you're gonna act right. Oh so we're gonna act like you're not doing treason. Oh it's not treason when you do it. Oh okay so yeah so. It's up on his twitter artist. What is not with the ships. he ain't been with the ship for like three and a half four years. I just wanna let you maybe actually five years because he was doing it before. Donald trump got elected. He's been talking writing for a very long time. But i'm glad he's actually put this out because black people do this. Why people knew what redlining was a lot of white people like dating the was talking about. Like what do you mean what's lining i'll this. That's not what happened. I would never do that like you're under this impression that when it came right down to it white people were not terrible to people that were not white in this country. They did everything they possibly could to make sure that people who were not white in this country could not eat where they to live where they wanted to get bank loans to buy homes. They did not want them to have anything they want as you look. If we don't give you stuff maybe you'll go back to wanting to be slaves and we can have status quo back to this mic. Y'all ancestors some of your friends ancestors weren't terrible pieces of shit and you need to stop like measuring racism. By how many racial slurs they've used. That is racism. It thank you cruise. That's right you tell y. Let me take my i got. Weren't y'all got worse vows. Babbel's like i'm tired of y'all we're tired of your ship. Okay so this slide into mid key and we already mentioned this already but georgia georgia. Georgia ran. Asked georgia. That people forgot was red ass. Georgia them atlanta housewives. Like it's not it's not a blue state. y'all it's the south is a very red state but georgia has now turned blue because of the to run off election And because georgia has finally turned blue they have flipped the senate and now the senate is back to being blue so for people who did not watch school house rock or crack. Open a book pay attention and you know civics class in high school. Social studies in elementary. Very true we talk about how bills and laws are passed. I think a lot of people who have been yelling at nancy pelosi to fix shit are really forgetting the parts that one nancy over the house. She's not over the senate so it goes from the house. If it's passed in the house that goes to the senate if it's passed in the senate it get signed by the president so that is how laws worked for us. If you want. I implore you all to google. I'm just a bill. It's a schoolhouse rock. Little ditty y'all should look it up. It literally simplified everything about how bills work so throughout this whole pandemic people have been yelling at house. Democrats to get us a stimulus package. Not realizing they have put up. Maybe two three or four and every it got to the senate they said absolutely fucking that so the one that happened for the twelve hundred dollars back in april may and june. I have no idea. What kind of rob peter to pay paul things. The house had to do to get this. Should pass not my business So to watch that they are saying. This is why georgia was so important for these runoff elections. Because they knew we're not gonna get no shit done with biden in in office. It wasn't just about getting biden. They're like we need other people. We need motif donoso. Needs motif is not just the president. The president is a figurehead for our country. But congress is really makes shit move so we needed georgia. So yeah black. Voters turned out for georgia. So runoff happened on january fifth. If i'm not mistaken. J where v. 'cause january fourth was monday january fifth. It was called so I'm sorry this is this. I'm getting emotional. Why so reverend raphael warnock. He won that night and he took over Believe her name is kelly law flir. She took his spot now. Kelly law for had been there a long time and then she said some really racist love stuff not realizing You have a whole bunch of black people in atlanta and also there was an atlanta. Wnba team who said yes. Vote for the other person. I don't know what the fuck she thought was going to happen. So she lost her seat to Rafi raffia warnock. And then david purdue lost his seat to john but he wasn't confirmed until the next day because they were still counting because his race was too close to call. I think i think when i start looking at maybe it was like eleven eleven thirty. They said it's too close to call. We can't call the race yet. okay but anyway Called raphael wore knox Race so now here it is. We have a senate flips blue. We know that by wednesday morning but we know by wednesday afternoon white supremacist. We're like hold my beer because all of a clip st- the fact that we have like senate like we now back to having a blue senate in a blue house was eclipsed by the fact that why people like how dare you not just let us do whatever the fuck we wanted to do. Because we have a good day is like i don't i don't know what you want to say. Hold on one second okay. Sorry about that. So tell you. Uber eats is very interesting. Because i feel because i order from like a place called seasons pizza. And they're on but their actual restaurant does the delivery and so he was calling okay and then he's like. Oh hi this is from because he left his worth melon is. I couldn't hear what the hell he was saying. He called back and i was like. Oh this guy. Because i totally forgot like how did you order very slowly forgot. I was like oh yeah sure it did. Oh my god okay Yeah so funny but yes so. We should be celebrating the fact that we have a blue senate but means we have a blue congress finally after so many gulf years. Now we have a full bloom congress because it was like. What's the big deal that we got a blue house and it was like we had to rob peter to pay paul to get to that But that was eclipsed by what happened on As arnold schwarzenegger say the day of broken glass in in our country when they stormed the capital within. Oh i'm gonna keep saying with the no because that's been fucking people up like your your and accept and accept an except there's been fucking people i don't understand but sure got a shoutout to reverend raphael warnock and john. Also they both worked with john lewis so that is good grounded. he probably showed that he sowed into. So i'm very excited for that. And i am excited. For all of the organizers in georgia including stacey abrams and all the organizations who got out the vote Yeah black people did that as like i. We are the minority. We definitely minority in this country however our voices and our votes matter. And i'm so glad that people are starting to see that because one we focus on the electoral college and say see. This is why votes so matter. I'm like technically does is just a fucked up roundabout way in electoral college but when it comes to local races yeah we. We don't have no electoral college for that is literally like everybody's vote matters and that is wanted to focus on. It's like i get why people think that the electoral college doesn't matter like but it's also Electoral dictated about the majority of votes in that state. So it's like it's weird but also the reason why we have electoral colleges because of surpremacy. So we're not you know this is not the this is not the pod for that i mean i feel like there should be a part for that but right now. We're going to talk about what the electoral college why we have on the white before he liked people voting this you know it's not today maybe or why was right to begin with how it was even foreign around slavery but yet we won't that. Yeah we're not today honey. I feel like maybe after january twentieth So not today today. Next story we are gonna talk about. I have not talked about this yet. we're gonna talk about soho karen aka the pon seto remember. There was a video in new york about a young woman with a. I'm not saying young woman is a woman fucking with a mask on screaming at a child. The boy is fourteen but of course he's tall because he's just tall so if you see a tall black boy you think that he's a man and it's like so he's still fourteen he's still twelve. I don't care about his height. He is still a child so she is screaming at him because she said that he stole her phone. They in a hotel lobby. The hotels named arlo hotel. She is screaming at him. Her father who is a jazz musician came down and started recording. He said what are you doing. So apparently hunger also physically attacked this boy on his back right jumped on him. Attacks tackled him. The father then manhandled her or push her grandma exactly sure what he what happened. But she's like he packed me. And i'm like after you put your hands. Your hands on. His son is a cat. No you're not gonna hit my kid so she's screaming. They took my fault. He took my phone and she like he could just show to show me To show me the phone is. He's like he doesn't have to do that. And i wanna know why don't like hotel management was there. I don't know if it was the actual mander or just a receptionist or mandarin. The but i have no idea why nobody unnecessary and could be even keeled and just say well them. Are you sure that your own we could just call the phone like what's the number. I can call the number right now but no. No one did that. Y'all just live this crazy woman. Just start yelling then fast forward. Apparently she left her dumb ass. Left it in. An uber uber brought back to the hotel. Because that apparently was the last person he dropped off and i was last seen. He's like there's probably belong to so she got her phone back the little boy. That's fourteen had iphone twelve He did not still your fucking phone like you see him with the phones that will he must have stolen so i just feel like true. What were the chances. Get her phone in his phone. Look exactly like like. I phone aside right lake the chances that just because you have an iphone like i have. I have an iphone but my you've recovered yet. I have a cover on it like the chances that was like say maybe like they both have a white iphone is just i just feel like like. Did you think it was the exact same fall. He didn't have any distinct markings or any distinct covering or anything like it. Matched your phone exact. I just have a hard time believing that it matched her phone exactly. I just don't believe that for one. Second i pray also If you run through a this woman a background her and her mother have had issues with disorderly disruptive violent conduct in other hotels and other locations and even when she was apprehended the other day in ventura she was trying to fight the police to jewish trying to break away and give free even though she was under arrest so she's violence she's An at obviously has an issue with a With a couple of the other instances from her and her mother were drunk in the middle of the day being loud and disorderly locations. Yes oh she's They they have issues with alcohol and probably drugs. Because i just don't see alcohol making that damn paranoid. I'm gonna say that drugs allah proof i. She's tweeting out to me. And i was like look a focus Why entertain him like. You're lucky that that boys mama was there. Because i think he would have beat your ass is like and mola period and was find it overwhelmingly offensive that she even i mean i don't know how many people have seen the security footage of him. You know circle visiting her of attacks you know. She's all trying to gallon around her free. You takes after him and then hops on his back and the fact that she thinks that that was somehow appropriate but a parent. You know man woman. Whomever parents defending their child wouldn't warrant her. Giving her ass tossed he tossed on the ground. Yes he will attack the old. Wait you lucky. Makers she i swear no out of period and my other point his father probably exercised restraint. Because that's lynch him because he's one he she's white he's black and you don't know when security wind the police are going to show up so you don't want to be and you know they might have not been there to see what had happened to live up to that right. You might be in a situation. He throws her the ground he just taken off on her and then the police show up and it just looks like a black man is beating up a defense woman so he probably exercise as much restraint as he could because he was a black man she was a white woman but trust and believe that would have been a mother down woman to woman feed bean. What have been taken to She interview with gail. She her as late right next. We'll call the patient in icu. Struggling to to breathe man. I don't know would've gotten choked the fuck out by me. I don't know what you think. And then in the midst of it all right like you're accusing my child of being a fief anything since he's a child it's like i bought him that phone. You're you're blaming my child for my metal like would you. May i know. I box you that phone. So you're assuming that when we don't have the ability to get our children nice items. You're choosing my child's being faith. You're blaming him for your. I'm sure drug or alcohol. Induced lapse in in in awareness in. Leaving your phone in an a damn uber. So if she's you know we'll how would you feel that your phone was lost and you couldn't get in touch with your family is actually baby cold. Call your damn clue. go your phone. Company ask for newport microphone is longer. That's all you hear in new york in new york. Go to the apple store and get a new york insurance. You could just go. You know you your share up on the cloud new the phone your phone. I'm like i would. That's i'm sitting here like. Why didn't anybody just call the phone. I'm calling your number right now. It is not his phone. Ma'am get out of his face. Is like about your phone. Oh you had to do was but i feel. I don't even know why she is priming. Clear life why she targeted him outside of all. This is not like some random. It's wasn't even late at night this during the day. So you know there with other people going in and out. Why did you pick out this. Fourteen year old boy. It's just really not clear like why she even thought it was him and then on top of it all. She lost the phone. It wasn't even actually jodi right horford. You got misplaced it so cheese. Yeah famous knoxville's news anoc. Oh yeah she's a knock. Oh absolutely and then. I don't know if you heard the the news. Her friend came out and said she wasn't racist because some years ago when he was with kylie she slept with tiger. So let's go here so everybody saw the interview. That clip is not the whole view. Apparently the whole is coming out tomorrow for good morning america but gail had clip of the interview now. A lot of people are quick to tell minority. So i believe that she is Either max hispanic or latin max. And everybody's like she can't be racist because of this mike. Let me explain something to you. Anti-black mrs every race on this earth including blacklist. Please stop acting like mexican. People cannot be racist. They can be hispanic. People cannot be racist yes they can be or better yet. The anti blackman's is a river that everybody's swims in and for people to actually you like. Oh he's she's not racist because she had black dick demi she just likes fucking black dick that does not mean. She likes black people. Please using your sexual past to actually condone be like to actually argue against racism. I i'm not racist because i fucked tiga. That means you fuck some black dick like what are you doing. That doesn't also targets a rich celebrities not to say what are you doing. I'm like i don't care about sexual past. And how many non white dick's you have sucked or putting your ass or having your pussy. I don't give a shit that does not mean anything. Fuck you like no. She's racist and also she's disrespectful She doing that interview. She put up a hand to the screen because of course she's back in california. They didn't arrest until she got back. Homegirl got to leave new york and go home to california and then they pinch her and brought her back. That bitch got to go home if it was the other way around. This man had assaulted her. Y'all wouldn't have been letting him leave the city. She got to leave the whole funke state. Get on a plane and go home like yeah you know what wolf so put. Our hand has had enough to gail and that was the end of the clip. And then you heard this audible and it was from the white correspondent that was sitting on that panel. It wasn't it wasn't guilty sugar ahead. I'm like see this is the thing you got your twenty. You actually sat up and gayle king space and said i'm twenty two. I am young. I mean i like he's fourteen. Why are you acting like because you are young. You should get a pass. But you're talking about you assaulting a fourteen year old yeah. I hope their family gets their civil case together because they really do need to. It's like i don't care using your age. And apparently she had on a hat call daddy and it's like her lawyer was like i didn't want her to wear a head bitch. There is nothing she. Why didn't you prep your client to tell her that she should come here. I apologize and say i made a mistake. No you actually. Were trying to sit here and be vindicated like your name is monique samuels. And you got a bird and you'll house like a girl. Fuck you you fucked up. Usually jerry weird. It was like why do i can hear you. Put your hands on this boy. Yea i hope you could have literally did anything anything else. State anything other things you could. You could flip to other than i'm an attack this little boy because he stole my phone. I'm like what are you doing. Girl what are you doing how would he get. How would he have access to your phone. The only way that you can actually said he does if he took it right out your goddamn hand which is not what happened so explain to us how you got here I would say is it crack. It's probably not. It seems like you're tweaking. Our math matthew probably sniff some bath salts. I don't know the fuck you doin' but girl you got my full circle fucked up if you think that's any parent would see you putting your hands on their child and they're not gonna do something. You actually are trying to use the fact that his father was physically aggressive with you because you tufts his child to see it's moron. He put his hand on me. No actually it's not. You can miss us with that. And apparently there is no bail set so she thinks she still in jail yes. She doesn't need to be nowhere. Yes those eight. Didn't there's no bail. She's stolen fucking jail. She can be there all of that because he also has three cases that corny Talked about one is from february where she was charged with public intoxication with her her mother and another person they were involved in a fight at a hotel. This is from last february. She also has dui charges from may twenty ninth and october tenth And that May the may twenty-ninth one a someone saw her. Leaving supermarket clearly intoxicated as she drove away in a vehicle officers just wanted to now on call found her with open containers of alcohol marijuana in the car she was also charged with driving with a suspended license yet. That bitch ain't getting out of jail and she leaves him us. She's a woman is a mess is like a need Ical help obvious like she obviously Startling with like i mentioned before. I'm not a doctor right. But she clearly struggling with addiction issue and She assaulted children. She needs to be in jail she can. She don't need to go to rehab. She'll she can detox in jail. It's so so like we don't need that and there may be some folks that are will come out to defend her include mental illness and i need to stop them. Please stop equating peanut and aggressive in public. Oc must have something wrong with her or be complete all she could be hike high like. We're not doing this. Yeah she's not. She's not suffering from mental illness. She's an angry drunk. Obviously in she needs to be in jail. She's driving under the influence with a car as somebody who has Was hit in a car accident with a drunk driver. I'm like yeah. No my drunk drivers. She went directly jail that night every time my brother thinks about it he's like she could have killed you and yeah she could've t-bone me. I'm glad she hit me on the passenger side and not the driver's side. I probably would be in more like something physically could have happened to me more but because she hit me on the passenger side and not the driver's side. That's why i was able to walk away from that accident and it's like something like that could have happened to somebody else with her right the moment or two on the car right. So she's A drunk filthy Your own entitled. Mess jim she feels entitled to this. Do you know it. It really go. It plays into her personality. She bills entitled. She felt entitled to aggressively attack. A child To there's a sentiment tunnel that goes into drinking getting super drunk and instill driving. She feels entitled to do whatever the fuck she wants to do. Fuck everybody else but a putting anyone in danger. But then she's not being you know it plays into Not being accountable for your actions. Obviously you're getting drunk and fighting with your mom. Obviously you know. I can't think of too many other situations where my mother would let me get sloppy drunk and they find people bills. I'd even as an adult. I don't see my mother allowing me some good sloppy drunk and fight people curse. She has she. she's from bradstock. Her mother has sat there and watched her act the whole ass and has never corrected her so she'd feels yourself pay. Apparently her mom is you know ah drunk as well and be out here. Trying to throw bows so now lay in white trash today. Were so and also shot to coordinate because she also posted this from tmz so apparently they found the wild you the wild video of her and her second dui. It's on camera is from ten three. Yes so girl has a problem. She has a problem with the substances. She has a problem keeping her hands off of people. She she really has a problem. So yeah so you're gonna watch her. She saying gang members are killing people right now like man. They're just doing their job. What are you girl if you shut the hell up minded. This is to most before twelve. Twenty six ma'am you're staying in jail Please don't get out 'cause i swear. I think his mama would be your s. Because i know i would like. I'm sorry with an hourglass to you. Might almost no question. I to put my hands on her. I'm like there's no question. This is why. I've always been like yeah. I'm not against when i see black men fighting on television. I'm like. I'm not necessarily against that because i'm like i understand some some situations do warren hands because words don't work. My words would fail me. If i had watched her attack my child i would not have the words. I would just have this. I would've non stop until i saw blood. I i'm sorry like love me through a beloved by like non violence is the answer you know. Put your on my kid and you see what happens. Please put your hands on my kid please. i don't have children have a nephew. Please put your hands on my nephew and watch what the fuck happens to you. Please watch a yes so she stayed in jail for forever last thing before we start talking. Bout the coup is trump is slowly but surely getting d platforms. It started with twitter and then all of a sudden it trickle down to. I think the latest is pornhub which k. I why would he have a platform and pornhub. I have so many questions about that but it started with twitter. They suspended his account but then they started suspending other accounts. It was a team. Trump account is donald j trump. I think he tried to get us some of his staff Twitter tweet in. They suspended those two and he's he's not even just suspended indefinitely. They're like yeah. You can't talk anymore because everything that happened on wednesday. It's like yeah. You can't speak anymore so now it is. It went from twitter facebook. I believe instagram parlor is one where i think they're like. No you're trying to get rid of us and now Amp apple and google play took parlor off of their platform. So you can't even get it anymore. Yes so they're slowly but surely Let's say today is the tenth zoll ten days until he leaves office. They are now the platforming him after he has been able to run rampant on these said places for years for his presidency in a lease seven years before that. Thank you for finally taking him off. I guess after a while it's like yes so the thing about it is and i don't think a lot of a lot of people probably didn't know this. He talked about this at the what happened on the sex. He talked about it in december and january six. What is happening on jay. Why why are you mentioning that. Because no one really. Oh what the fuck is what is what he's talking about now. Yeah he's not surprised by what happened as surprised by the reaction to what happened because he knew a lot of people a lot of people in that hill. A lot of people that were in that capital within. Oh i'm sorry that's the show title capital with no They knew what was going to happen. That was not did not catch them. Totally off guard. They knew he's one of those people. Yeah he has no problem. See this is what. I keep trying to tell people about donald trump baby he would happily see. This country burned to the ground. As long as he's on a plane going somewhere else he don't give a shit burn all this shit down. I don't know i'm i'm still a white man. I still got my stuff. People like me. y'all have to protect me. After i leave. I get a pension after this. I'm sorry i care. Burn all this shit del. He does not care and we're platform for him now but i think the thing is with him being the platform. I know it's probably like hard to see. Silver linings to this is that he can't talk that shit after he leave right. You can't say nothing else. You don't get to speak anymore. We are done. You're done talking because it's not they didn't i think they may have suspended. The police handle but all pets. I think obama was the first person they have opposing. Oh i don't know how long this code is handle has been around and did barack obama. Hi will greek. Obama originally had his own. And then you use portis as the president right. You're actually not supposed to have your own. But they let him do whatever the hell you could just got scared. Epic sleep duquet. Oh maybe once a milk vixen. He's like all optical. Nathan is it so that's the thing he didn't tweet from the thing about it. Is he his all his tweets. He didn't tweet from deponent's handle so that is still up. Everybody gets right to hop on their real. Quick thing like yeah. It's kind of like because like all last thing is from december. Twenty thursday must have deleted the tweets. But he really did try So i think milan like florida's. Because i don't know if malania had another one yes oh police in florida's are still there. The white house Twitter is still there. Because i think like that's different. That's separate like s. Gonna be traveling after that to the next Administration so yeah they got to fuck out of it. Yes get his partly his get his public stuff off of here. The police and the florida's that's gonna go to joe biden. I'm totally fine with that. But watching him be the platform meaning that he can't spill like his vile after he leaves best probably the silver lining that i consider to that. Okay so we are in high key key is just talked about the coup at the capital within. Oh before we get into that I wanted to mention the story of berlin niba. She is twenty five so this is not something that happened in dc. This happened in california so there was a rally that's supposed to be. I guess one of the other events That was happen simultaneous events because it wasn't just what happened in these. Apparently other stuff happened in different cities but this was a protest in la. So this is from buzzfeed news. And i'll read this a black woman in los angeles who was beaten in pepper spray this week by trump supporters while her arms were held down says. She is lucky to be alive or linda nebo that she was walking past a stop the still protest outside. La city hall on wednesday during the attempted coup in washington dc when a group of trump supporters started asking who she voted for saying white lives matter and calling her the n word nouveau says she then flipped them off and told them to leave her alone and that they should be wearing masks. Soon after nivo realized a group of about thirty people kept following her and she quit her pace but the trump supporters blocked her path and swarm turn a man. She recorded on her cellphone falsely accusing her of hitting someone else's scratched her eyes and took her phone footage captured by nebo of the man showing him accusing her of assaulting that guy and grabbing her phone other people than started hitting nivo pulled off her wig and pepper sprayed her. I thought i was going to die if i didn't stand up for myself. This group of people were going to beat me to death. I kept telling myself. Don't fall down because you'll get stampeded nivo and a photographer who captured the attacks. Los angeles police officers were across the street but never intervened. The attack occurred on the same day. Mob of nearly all white trump supporters breached and ransacked the us capitol with the response from authorities in washington dc resulted in criticism of a double standard over. How police respond to the pro trump insurrection versus black lives matter protesters over the summer at one point during the attack knee boasts. A man came up behind her. Put his arms around her and held her arms. That are side. Until i got you. Calm down these people are going to try to kill you me. Bo didn't fight back because in that moment she did need help and believe but while the man was carrying her with the hands at our size someone pepper sprayed her interface. For at least a third time. It did not help me. It would of helped me more if he had made way for me to move out of there completely to bystanders. Ran up to the man and said they were with nivo in order to get him to let her go. She said the heroes nibble said were those two women who then her to wear. Lapd were standing in a video posted on twitter after attack. Woman with trump flag hanging over her shoulder proudly held up nibbles wig. I did that. The woman is heard saying in the video. I did the first. Scalping of the new civil war racquel not to laci. Oh the photographer who captured this incident. Said the attack was very distressing to watch because she knows what it feels like to be a woman alone in a precarious situation. I can't even imagine what it's like for women of color. She said it was important to capture the attack on camera because she feared people believe nivo after the fact too often women of color not believed or listen to the tackle. Niba wasn't the first incident at the los angeles protests on wednesday said Not the laci. Oh who had been covering the group by the time. He was attacked not to laci had seen the crowd pushing strike three others including journalists of people wearing black shirts who they believed. Were members of antifa Credibly violent they told me. I better not be antique. The because if i was they would find me. They were pretty much arising anyone who was not a trump supporter. Not delight ios said she and the two women helped me walk over to the police office. But when the put the woman approached captain puts one of them to the ground. Not the lot show said. Lapd officers were across the street less than twenty feet away from where niba was attacked. The police were there the entire time. It didn't move an inch. The didn't respond to questions about the captain or how the officers responded to the incident but in a statement said the incident that's been described as a hate. Crime is being investigated and witnesses or anyone with information should contact the department they. Lapd also said the man who put his arms around niba and carried her appear to be a good samaritan shielding helping the woman. She confirmed with statements. Don't investigate gatien niba says she can't say whether the man who grabbed her tried to help because she was blinded by the pepper spray. The point. The ele- lapd described the way. He held her as a bear hug from behind but niba said he harder. So high so tight. Her chest was read from the pressure. It was hard enough for a person of my color to have red marks on my body. That's how he really. He was really holding me. It was not fun. it was bear hug. It was traumatizing after bystander. Washer is will saline solution niebler. Office asked if she wanted to do a citizens arrest into identified the people who attacked her nivo shortly after with a friend. When officers were distracted by separate brawl nearby neva went home covered in pepper spray. Some of it dripping into her ear but she's holding out hope that police arrested people who attacked her. My family in are seeking privacy at this moment so i can get some healing and also safety because now even worried with everything that happened at the us capitol. So i wanted to bring this up. Because i saw a few of videos so the first video that i saw was The guy in the bear hug. And i saw the person walk up and pepper spray. Her in the face now then i saw other videos and one of the woman who was very excited about pulling off this woman's wig saying oh my god i did it. I did it so the man they have identified the guy that was the one holding a bear. Hug is random as name Now he was. There was a few places that said that he was trying to help her and then people are like no. He actually wasn't trying to help her so i think he was probably fine with her being assaulted but maybe being killed is probably the line that he was at but who knows because she sang she. I'm looking her skin tone. Her may be the same skin tone so if she says she has read on her chest. I believe it was a lot. It sounds like the force that happens when you are in a car accident in the the bill hits having your chest or your stomach leaves bruising for and i saw the photos of the gentleman that was that gentleman the man the person whomever was that quote unquote of rescue climbing as a rescue. But i i just feel like it's really weird. Yeah i dunno moment of clarity. I guess but the guy you tell. He's squeezing didn't i mean he could have lifted her up. You know like in cradle her if you wanted to protect her you know what i'm saying so it's just wasn't it just wasn't as just wasn't that heroic act in my opinion. It's like you know it feels like also he didn't want them to kill her so they wouldn't get in trouble for killing her versus. He didn't want her to die. Direct two different things is like yeah is motivation was not her protection. It was protecting the mob. Other people's own craziness. Yeah so to hear that one is the lapd so entirely surprised that they literally did nothing. It's fucking lapd unlike. I'm i'm sorry i actually. I'm not fucking sorry about that. Like yeah the. Lapd is one of the racist police departments in the country so yeah. I'm not surprised that they didn't do anything And the fact that that wasn't the only Thing that happened at this protest po tests protests are peaceful. No these stunts were just walking around with flags beating up on people like yeah right all did not stop them. You like well. They're protesting. Yeah hitting somebody and pepper. Why do they have pepper spray. Why do you have pepper spray. Why not wearing fucking mask. Why did why don't y'all s could give her kobe. Like i'm like upset. Like i have so many different feelings about this mike. Y'all i'm like. And i hope they find this new hopefully find interest all of them but john not really going out of your way to do that. May hell yada even like y'all literally pushed an old white man so hard to the ground. Blood came out of his ears. And you could see it and y'all still flat out lied and said oh. He must've tripped or something. No no we know you pushed him. You pushed an elder right. And they lost their balance. And didn't he die. I don't know he didn't die but he wasn't hospital for a little while. i think he is still alive. I thought dates like he left the hospital. But i think something is like. He's not okay that even makes sense. I can't remember what i've been. But it's like i think there was some long. I think there's gonna be some long term offensive. Like because when i saw videos like is out of his ears. It's like okay. So then they nibble and then you saw the one. The one cop was gonna lean down the other other cop just said no and it was a leading people to die right and then you live on your police report like see. This is why this is why. Press the four president united states. Barack obama was pushing for For body cams and he said it in a way to make it seem like he wasn't saying i'm gonna make sure your ass to stay Honest with this. He said it in a way. This is what he said. You body cams but also this is coming from cell phone video because the bad part about if you just said. They pushed me so hard i fell. You wouldn't believe him because you're leave the cop. Betting fit like physical evidence of what they saw. Oh no oh no. Don't we're cops. They always do the right thing you might they now is not is that the fable in fallacy. We're telling is that what we're doing. Okay relying lying now overlying okay. We're getting the line. The last thing in high key is the coup at the capital with an l. I must keep saying with the no. Because it's just funny when i think about it Who so there were whispers. And i have to say so i will say this so there were whispers about this in where is being whispered at was tiktok because people were making tiktok saying this is what's going to happen on january six. This is what we're going to do hansel. If you look at some of the photos from wednesday you see people who had on fucking merch four. This they had on damn teasers. They don't make that that moore still stop with that date. I said they have merged for this ship. This has been like the they've been planning this and the re in so you're just like who i don't even know what to say. It's so much. So i wanted to read because it has a wikipedia page. Y'all the the it's called the storming of the united states capitol within up As a wikipedia page people are undefeated in this because they literally gave a whole wikipedia page with links with goals for this. So this is what is coming that people look up Storming of the united states capitol without This is what it says for wikipedia. The two thousand twenty one storm of the united states capitol was a failed armed insurrection by trump supporters against the united states government or wednesday january. Six twenty twenty one incited by donald trump to overturn his defeat in the twenty twenty presidential election. Thousands of his supporters stormed the united states capitol in an effort to disrupt the electoral college. Vote count during joint session of congress to formalize president elect joe biden's election victory after breaching multiple police perimeters. They occupy vandalizing ransacked parts of the building for several hours. The insurrection led to the evacuation and lockdown of the capital billion building and five deaths. So that is why That's why donald trump is talking about it in december because he knew when the vote was going to happen. Exactly do it's like he knew jiang racing's going to have the vote. For the electoral college votes which by the way for donald trump. They didn't do it in january. They did it back. In december after november it was like his his peaceful transition of power from barack obama above board. And you're literally watching somebody who literally could not be presidential. Even if his life dependent on a moment for nothing is like he you. You're not doing you haven't done a transition of power. You're saying you're not coming to the inauguration. You have not conceded. The election is like i'm sorry. What else does he need to do to prove that he don't give a fuck about that office. He just likes the thought of being president. He does not the office of being president. And can we really drive home that point that this is about his ego he has he. He honestly did not want to win. He just wanted to prove to barack obama that he would win. Re does not want be president. He doesn't want to govern he doesn't want to be responsible. He doesn't want to create legislation. He does not want to foster American leadership throughout the world. He does not want to govern. He does not want to be a leader. He likes having the title and he likes having attention. That is all this is about. If you wanted to be president. He had an opportunity to still be very much president Case in point the corona virus. He had if he would have just stayed. Even maybe a fourth of what could have been done to slow the spread of coronavirus. He would have been hailed an american hero that stopped the deadly china virus from laying. Americans and his reelection would have been in the bag because it would have been true he would have been able to say i saved. America is saved our economy. I am the true leader and people would've not really wanted to argue against that name. He dropped the ball. You guys know this. He doesn't give a fuck about us as a nation like in that includes why people which is why. I'm so confused because this is why people make the majority of the Racial demographic in this country uses hurting us as a nation. The majority of you are white. Why are you also down for him to reuters wrong. Which all what is wrong. He does not care about us. He does not and i'm not saying that you have to be a democrat right if you're a conservative if you're a republican If you don't feel like you align ideologically or politically with democrats. that's fine. donald trump does not have to be the hill. That you die on. He does not have to be this guy. Whatever good things you feel like. He does on the financial in on the trade in the find someone else who does that. That's not him. He ride him why you why now. With what what is he doing. That is so special that you can't find this anyone else who's not a complete narcissistic lunatic. Like what are we. He's a madman. He's a madman. You don't have conservative. You don't need to have a conservative fiscally A lenient Regulatory president so bad that you have to allow madman to stay in office. Come on guys come on once just for once. It's like y'all could be literally seventy even. Though he lost the election he still has seventy five. Million people voted for him. Seventy five million. That's seventy five million people who literally chose violence instead of the right thing like. Oh i choose violence. I don't i don't care and it was like are you okay is like that's the thing that always gets me about this election. Like joe biden didn't win in a landslide. Y'all linley was too close to call and a lot of states. We are in a panorama. Y'all still s is home. A you still vote for him like it's like you have learned nothing you learn nothing in the last four years you would still choose violence over everything else. Y'all really the deplorables that hillary call jal asses and she had to walk it back because yalo white feelings were hurt and then you see the thank floor mike. This is deplorable. Fuck chicago john deplorables. This is why 'cause y'all do this shit. Y'all actually brought job book bags up. Y'all got what common the wall barricades like data breach shit. Y'all let their answers right on and you let them come pass. The there are several different videos of people like the caps literally living them in the barricades. They breached shit like y'all let them walk right on in here. There have been protests throughout this country. For black lives matters. There was a any like breath of even saying not even protested the p. in protest you saw cops lining up. They had the national guard at that same place when black lives matter was having a protest. Where the fuck with the national guard. Y'all gonna pull them out wack because they way for what might know. You'll get to fuck your one up marion browser. They stood her up. They she had she issued. She requested for them to be present because the chatter was there right. People were not hiding with all neum. Just do at a small point The insurrectionist now lying saying that it was black lives matter in thika when they were talking about it. The disguise themselves at us. I'm like wait. Why do they didn't and none of you had on mask and a bunch of you were live tweeting. Live streaming the whole situation so no it wasn't antiga in the skies it was well known trump supporters. But okay so you know there are running around freely with no mask And people have been you know. Donald trump announcing again on twitter january six. Be there. it's going to be wild people discussing this marian powder you know black woman. Mayor was like fuck that she requested to have the national guard there weeks ago days even beforehand it was approved by the pentagon and then they stood her up. So what are we doing right literally. What do like wait a minute. what are you doing. 'cause like a y'all okay you literally. You're watching in horror and be like. Oh my god. I can't believe that they must be so organized. No they're not organized their white. That's not what all seeing this is them being white and never more weapons it. They will black people. Yeah so i hear. Y'all i appreciated but a part of my black ass is like you shut the fuck up to because you had no problem. Labeling people peacefully protested literally walking down the street as the same as calling them thugs and they're gonna to mess up this country. I had no problem having thoughts and fees about that but now you like they were black. This would never happen. No shot their asses yet. A half napa guard their off rip. They wouldn't have been able to get anywhere near it was like a woman shot by that same capitalise trying to take a photo. Y'all so full of shit is like there's everybody knows that about these. See i live in baltimore. Dc there's a lot of buildings you can't get nowhere near the state capital is one of them like everybody knows that a you know you can't just walk better have barricades for reason. They always have them back like y'all you don't know how secure that buildings really is truly supposed to be an and then of course i know i don't live in dc. But i had was telling my dad. I'm like it seems like there would have been at times where congress is in session. We have situations where you have a lot of lawmakers it seems like there would naturally be an increase insecurity anyway right like wouldn't there be an increase in security. Even under normal circumstances we have a normal president right who doesn't have an issue with the election and and just there's a gathering the lawmakers and the capital. It seems like it on a well known date which you know is the Counting of the electoral votes. So it seems like there would have been under normal circumstances an increase of security regardless. But then that doesn't seem to be what happened either. So i'm you know. I'm not a conspiracy. Theories feels berry inside job ish at this point because granted. There's less people less people present because of covid but even then the security should've had an uptick anyway regardless of what we're experiencing because there were going to be several lawmakers all in one building and that then becomes a target anyway under good circumstances so i don't understand why there just wasn't an increase of security anyway correct especially with everything that they were going to be talking about. They were doing that to do the electoral college vote right. It's like so you think to your point that there would be more people there that you would have had everybody on deck especially because y'all like the a tweet that we because people have literally been talking about they gonna burn this city to the big burn country to the ground because they're boy didn't get reelected that always been out there. They haven't been quiet. They are stupid and they are Loud wrong but emphasis on the loud part. They've been very loud. They haven't been whispering shit like they've been speaking at very loudly but because they are white. Y'all ignored them. And can i also given this caveat because me and my mother talked about. She made a joke. We're going to be going my girl. No we ain't going nowhere. I was like i turned off. 'cause it was happening at three. I don't think i was going to work call and some of the news right now. It didn't look just like what the fuck are they doing to celebrate. I've turned off the television to be. I was like i got to go. Y'all have lost your guide their minds. It was like what is wrong with you and we were talking about the fact that people are thinking this kind of thing it was like a hundred thousand people and a lot of people acting like race like white supremacism. Racists are poor yokels. They're stupid they don't have nothing going on. They just work at like they deliver pizza for dominoes Yeah racist are doctors. They are they are jugglers. They're politicians they are and everything and then you see all these people coming out. All this person resigned. Because they were there they are. Ceo and see. oh i'm like they. Are there without west virginia state legislature. Livestreaming himself from rushing into the capital. There was a you know. I'm out here to remind listeners. I'm in california mom when l. year northern california. There's a city by the name of menlo park which is one of the wealthier areas in the bay area. There was a woman pictured a business owner who was pictured there. She wasn't on a photo for storm in the capital. But she was there in support of the insurrection. So yeah these people have money. They have access. They are well to do They are well funded just because they have so much capital access. So it's yeah. They're not for and they're not all of them. There's that yeah yeah. It was like yeah no. There's a lot of people who are losing jobs or quitting. Because they were there because they're not just you know the yokels missing teeth and living in west virginia. Talk about they they mexican took my jobs is. It's more than that. It's like it's and also if you think about it you know some of those people who have only been naming folks who have been arrested muslim of them were coming from the south but you think about it. We're in the middle of a pandemic a lot of people out of work so the people could afford to do this will. There's two there are people who could afford to do this. Because they're still very much employed or still businesses are still open or they have savings or money that they could pull from To be able to travel to washington. Dc even though Pfizer very cheap at this point because of all we're going through but also alex jones had admitted to Contributing to the organization of this quote unquote rally which is a insurrection. The rally was the pre-game for insurrection. Right so And i was explaining to my parents. How On both sides right that both democrat and republican they will organize for rallies for gatherings and they will fundraise to help people get to wherever the location is if you can't afford to Fly out they'll fundraise for you to have a ticket Arranged for you to have Accommodations to stay somewhere with people within the network. Because my will was. I know those people did not just come there for that day and then just go straight home. They then go not. Everyone went straight home right because not everyone's the in the area ebay new york or even just like within the carolinas which can be You know a longer. It dries but not everyone i mean like i said there was someone from all the way out here in california. She didn't go like did she really do all that. All that just happened and then she just turned around and just went. Came on back out here to the bay area as you know caught a return flight that day that i feel like there's people that are still. There are people who are within the area within this network and their housing people. I think people are able to afford to stay in hotels an airbnb and those type of things because stuff is so cheap right now because nobody's travelling in our which should be because of covid is feel like a good chunk of those people are still there and still fuming right now were how many days out the tenth were ten days out from inauguration day. They're still there a lot of people state and they're waiting for the twentieth correct. 'cause that's so you also saying apples. I don't know if you've seen it. But i've seen a couple of videos where people like people that were at. The protests have been quickly put on no fly list so some of them have been arrested at airports. Like oh my god. I didn't do anything. I mean i was there but i didn't hurt or kill. Nobody baby if you participated in this at all you are going to jail and just lay. Shaw throws the government a yo boy that challa fighting food you know. He signed an executive order and they're going to punish you. Full extent up all you could be facing ten years just attending. Your boy signed that executive order for that. You can make him baby. You're going to jail. You're he did that to get at black people and anybody who wanted to put protest against police brutality but it backfires does now all y'all asses could get them all. It was like. Oh yeah so you're boy. He may be the reason. Y'all went there and richer life and or lost her life for trump which is why we live say baby. He ain't the hill the die on literally he isn't he will not he will never will not on the. Us capitol police chief resigned and they have Named yoga nanda pittman as the acting. Chief yes that is a black woman so now. They're making her the acting chief. I'm like how great how great for this woman to get this year. I'm being very sarcastic. I want nothing but nice things. For yoga nanda pitman. I put her in this place to quit. It was relax now. It's like you could pick pick some other. Why do why are you doing. Why are you doing this. Why are you put her here. So yeah fun so a lot of people getting arrested. Apparently there have been videos of people who They just went back to the Airports there weren't a whole bunch of arrest didn't do that. There are people out there. There were i think they said it was that day. I mean well then also because they were so understaffed. The police could not why they just have the ability to arrest people in mass. The way they do to correct. So there's that so. I'll tell you about the casualties folks. Because there's a casualty i want to talk about. 'cause y'all being very fucking weird about this. So five people died. I think another police officer just died today. They bashed in with a fire extinguisher So it's been four So at the time when they put this on pedia they hadn't considered the The officer that died because of his injuries with a fire extinguisher video out of them. Actually bashing this man's headed. There's a video out there on the internet so fifteen. Police officers were high hospitalized. More than fifty were injured So the casualty. That i wanna talk about is a woman by the name of ashley babbitt. So as had she got shots. 'cause i think she was. She had a book bag on. And of course the other thing. Apparently there were pipebombs. All over the damn capital with the now that they're not talking about the fact that people like they're like no no no they really did have pipebombs. They really did place them. They really were going to Set them off type bombs in the state capital. So homegirl got shot. And then people decided to Use the hashtag. Say her name for ashley. Babbit i you all a fucking line and you got black women. Full circle fucked up. If you think we're not gonna call you all on your flagship. How dare you use the hashtag for somebody who flew across the country. She lives in california. Flew to california from d. c. Got herself killed by committing treason. And now you wanna use this hash tag. That is used for black women who are killed sis entrance black women. I would just like to point that out because we do this when cyst when trans women are killed in it's usually via domestic violence We use that for them. How dare you use it for this person. And the bad part is when we use that hashtag. Y'all tell us to shut the fuck up. It's like who what is wrong with you. It's like what the hell is wrong with you. This is all sorts of fuck shit. Y'all are deep platforming donald trump. Because you're like he has said enough because he can't be presidential if he tried because he really didn't come out. This should have been a more of a big press conference where he is talking down. What happened he. Kind of really didn't is like he they. They use thug here. Intruder here. vandal here. That weird Get video video where it was like. Hey guys go on home look. Hey guys funds over weight can i. Can we just back up for a second. So with him. And tying in with with ashley babbitt so you know he. They had the rally first. And he's like we're gonna march down to the capital blah blah blah. and then. So they marched down to the capital. He hops his heavy set. Ask and goes back home to the white house because when he made the initial video telling them hey guys calm it down you know you gotta go on home. He's at the white house there. He never even went with y'all to the capitol he told johnny go down there and then he went and him and i don jr. in kimberley go well we're all watching all the shit on the news like the rest of us. It wasn't even at sea. Yeah remember when he was campaigning. I think it was the first campaign for twenty twenty campaign where people were being violent at his rallies. He was like say. Oh i'll build them out. I know for nobody out first of all. He's a broke bitch so he can't do anything right now. In those like okay. Who are you bailed out. Donald trump. because. I don't think you bailed out anybody. He doesn't even have the funds to do that. He's cash poor anyway though he probably his bank account probably looks like mine. Just the stimulus balance in it. So just all the way for hail he can. No he didn't go to eternal hell that's where he and and it's crazy to me you know i had tweeted out that You know the all this same. Say her name ashley. babbitt was a onto protests. But i thought i while she was banging on a window trying to break it to get in. She was screaming camara's name so she was going to attack our vice president elect and my whole question was while i thought when the looting started the shooting starts so i don't know does that not apply anymore. Has she was definitely in process of they did. They did loot. People are still in podiums. They feces and urine may storm messy. That's pelosi's laptop and there's a photo of the man holding it waiting guy because we like it was a. It was the prize in a scam. Dry hit between like in another photo. He hid it behind like the flag and his arm. And it was like you still got pelosi's computer then. Man put his feet up on her desk. I'm like yeah all of you were going to fucking jail. Okay so all. Y'all wanna go to jail. This is where we are. All of you were going to jail at this point. Just it's it's insane but it's like she was breaking the law. She was probably going to it. Obviously these people are killers right. They kill they had no issues beating police to death. You think that if they weren't able to get a if they ran into comma harris if they would ran into nancy pelosi they weren't of ran into chuck schumer if they wouldn't have had folks on the inside some of their house and senate colleagues who were trained in combat. Who knew how to properly navigate this type of terrorist attack. They would have probably been at least physically assaulted. It doesn't i. I truly believe if any of those people would have honestly ran into any of the democratic lawmakers. They would have tried to kill them. I mean you see you. There still shots. There's videos have been beating police to death. this suppose. The blue eyes matter squad and they're feeding police to death killed them they would have killed them right but just like blue lives. Matter like yeah. Yeah y'all miss me awful shit. It was like yeah. I don't. I don't care about anybody i'm like. That's the thing about the whole blue lives matter thing and the might. Oh yeah we just gotta care about our police. If they don't do something you like then all they don't get out of your way insurrection. Res- like how we're trying to get these niggers out here. What the fuck are you doing my job. It's my job. I have to do this like what are you doing. Like get out on like y'all y'all don't give a shit about those beliefs like you don't give a whole city. 'cause i'm sorry where is blue lives matter. Y'all vacation it. I know it's a panel panasonic but Way y'all vacation also become a hand camp about these police officers. Ancient is like like oh with all tie. I literally don't see anything about blue light. Seeing now the fall in omaha we lost. No nothing nothing. Nothing there's no denouncing. How dare you kill our officers. Nope nothing they are silent like. Y'all are full of shit mike. Yeah so when we talk full of shit. Y'all looked at us like we were crazy. It's like oh like no. No we care like do you. Now do you do you care. Is that what we're doing those allies telling okay okay. Beulah I don't end for everyone's like oh my god. This is so crazy. And i'm like yes. So here's the thing. They told her what they were going to do. This is why. I'm like they've been talking about this for weeks and y'all didn't do anything because they're white they don't necessarily Hurt your whiteness by coming to the capital and burning ship down. That don't really hurt you because you only think black people who are literally marching to stop fucking killing us during a traffic stop is the same. It's like when they had the no dappled protest. Y'all were literally spraying protesters with water in thirty two degree weather. Like y'all okay. Y'all have the means to do what you need to do with protesters but when they're white you don't activate them because and your mind. These kind of matters are just for those black people because their animals is just for those indigenous people because their animals we gotta treat them like animals. You should treated these people like animals because there's no way in hell and they think that they did something correct. There's like a we wine a we did the right thing a. We did what you need to do like see. This is what we're going to turn over this government. The only reason why y'all got through the barricades with a red carpet the reason why you did not get shot in the head. The reason why the national guard wasn't there is because you're fucking white they don't care they're like okay well. Why people aren't dangerous and like so. We checked history. And that's a damn lie like this could. This country was built on spilling the blood of minorities my minority blood since the inception of this country. So y'all can miss me with this whole only this black people. It would have been different high. Let me tap you on your lakefront bits. We already know that we know it would be different. We want shawl like yeah. So we're not telling you to go out and shoot them. We're saying stop fucking shooting us because we just wanna live. We wanna be able to get we. We don't wanna have anxiety attacks when we get stopped by police. We don't wanna have like anxiety about going into stores and being labeled as a thief if we're even to stepping foot in the door if we are letting next hispanic people. We don't want always people to think that we're the fucking help and we are here to clean and wipe the floor like we're done with y'all mike we don't like your words are cute. It's cute But i don't we don't need words. We need y'all action so if y'all can steam wrote getting him out on high impeach him 'cause i don't understand how nothing he did on wednesday. Y'all should have been there. The next guy down day on thursday january seven said so. We're gonna come back and we're gonna talk about impeachment because that is what the fuck just happened. I don't know what else he needs to do. Just went article. It's just one article it's a. There's the insurrection and it's literally one article. It's just one sentence and that's what he did and to really just act like that's not what he did like. Oh he's not responsible. He doesn't to march down there. And you really do. I'll see you on jay way sex. He said it. It's like what do you like. I'm sorry what else does he need to do. Do you need to see him with a like a molotov cocktail and throw it into a building. Watch burn before you also. This is a problem. He's been a problem since january. Twenty of twenty sixteen. Sorry twenty seventeen. He's been a problem since then. He's been a problem for before that but he became our official problem when he was inaugurated. It's like yeah yakking. ma'am. I don't need your words. I guess it'll make you feel better to say that. Like sega things that literally black people have been saying for centuries but sure sure it'll help you feel about you actually admitting that and i'm not directly at joe biden. Joe biden is definitely different. He's the only one i'm like. Yeah he's a president-elect he has to say that stuff everybody else on the yawkey. Miss me with this. I don't care what you say okay. It was like yeah. Sure that makes you feel better but like high Don't say this the people say it's the white people don't say to us. We're like yeah. We could have told you that we are in new. We saw you had the national guard for us. Y'all had like you're driving through with y'all police cars and crowds for us for them. Y'all opened up the barricades which is still the wildest seen them. That's like this is some an inside job. Shoot that you know. They're like oh wait. We gotta we gotta do something. 'cause i have a feeling that those folks that were involved they may be ones like joining the whole. Yeah we need to impeach him because they know if they don't y'all next right. It's like shoot. That's like shout. I just i just. There's a lot so this is what this is a whole wikipedia page on this. Because it's so many other little things going on is like y'all literally went to the state capital with no because your boy didn't win and y'all like y'all stole this election in that event now grows absolutely no for what proof in my. This is when you know. You've been an entitled white person your whole damn life when you actually think that rules don't apply to you. It's like let me see if i can find it in my screenshots. There was a you know. I've been a i've been moonlighting on parlour. Just watching what are you're doing. That could say that. I'm very disappointed. That one of my One of the guys in the backstreet boys. I'm vegetables fan. Apparently brian latrell islam. Parl you the fucker mike. Why is he was like bryant. Boy from the south. I mean is like i'm not surprised but it was like so i had a discussion was like friend on facebook talking about disappointment versus the prize So it was about captain lee and he had like a. This is so rumble right now. But captain lee from below deck had liked a instagram video from sigi houston hustles new jersey say e term. Saudi really quickly. And she's a very big trumper. Just right it's so disappointing. I'm like her last season jersey. I can't even rewatch. I'm like yeah. I don't wanna see her because fucker So it was like all this or wall like. I can't believe all of this is going on as disliking a photo and the brian latrell stuffy you just go stop like somebody responded him and say we're all about to show you the meaning of being lonely like see we have to go. Boys talk we about to go through a backstreet street tunnel of kinds to shit on him. But i'm sitting here like. Why are you brian latrell. Like what the hell. I'm listening like are you doing now. Didn't comes to discussion about free speech. Yeah because i think the person who owned parlors that he's gonna lose money because apple off their store and soda amazon. Think google play is gone. Yeah gone off of everything. yeah so they. He's sitting there like i'm elise money. And what about freedom of speech. I'm like a knee. Joel to google i swear to you. I swear it will save your life for you to have these free speech discussions because free speech does not mean you get to say what the fuck you want on a site where you have to sign terms and conditions and and actually accept them before you can approve and actually participate on social media site. That does not free. Speech does not save you from that. It saves you from prosecution. Legally that is it. If you say what the fuck you want on your twitter you can do without in fuck you want but realized you have to handle whatever consequences. Come after that. So that means you lose your job you lose your business you lose friends you lose fans all of that. You have to handle consequences. Nothing that i just said includes anything legal. There's nothing illegal about fans in your business and you'll job is you ain't going to write the consequences of your actions. People don't pee for free to not like what you say. Then remove you from there like i said restaurant their home. They accept friends with you. They can stop leading post on their platform. And you can like you have your ability to start your own platform though. So then there's that all the parlor and the gab and the me we and all of those you don't like that you can't just say unchecked racist crazy conspiracy bullshits then. Yes you can go and start your own. Social media platform messaging platform where you can spread a bunch of unchecked bullshit. And how about it. Yeah yeah that's that's it is so much as going on into this and people like oh my god. How did this happen. they're white. it's not relation is not. They are smarter Know their way. Y'all are not going to do this to other white people you don't treat so i've noticed this when it comes to white people white people keith. Excuse me why people treat other white people terrible. When they're poor. You treat them terribly. You don't treat them right. You turn the terrible. Because they're poor it but in this kind of space for the protests. You don't know people's financial status like y'all didn't do anything and now it's going to be reckoning. And they are in other countries especially countries that we have marched down there fucking streets and blown shit up in their country. They look at us like wait a minute so would you like people like they don't want to call them domestic terrorist each changing. Hey boo boo Oh domestic terrorism and everything but the thing about it is. It's so interesting is that deli. Oh no we got to forgive them like so. Let me ask question. Y'all forgive the people who Bombed nine eleven. A one even occur to you to ask for that kind of forgiveness. You wouldn't offer it either but you have no problems. Oh we should forgive them unless like act like this is not a big deal mike. I'm i'm i'm like. Oh this is definitely a big deal. Ignani the fucking fixed this. If you think that we we as black people going to say here and try to pacify wou-wou and give you know fuck that in the words of a man. Imani vans zap. I need you to fix your. This is not our fight not battle. You created that monster. Donald trump is your the gop's frankenstein monster. That is shaw mazda frankenstein. You need to fix this. He's leaving in ten days. So it's like the american people had to go in and fix it however y'all should impeach his. As moving straight on through because then he will not get Secret service after he leaves he would not get any money yet. Cut him off at the pass and then he truly honestly truly needs to be barred from running from federal offense. I i really feel like there needs to be something where he needs to be barred from office period. I don't even want his ass sitting on anyone city council town council. Been what you wanna. Pta council item and him on the board of directors for a damn library at all. Want i don't want it. He needs to be treated as a pariah. Rent the pariah that he is yes. Yeah he needs. It was like yeah. Do all of that hell mike. So people who because i'm arteries and found speaks fondly of richard nixon like how. How are you doing this. But people find the words for some godawful reason so yeah so this has been a shit show a week this upcoming week. It's you're gonna watch people be very revisionist on this in about five years and i was like Yeah we're not gonna do this I have been unplugging a lot of us. Have just been unplugging like yeah let me just turn this off. Let me watch batman beyond Let me watch something else. Let me turn on the. Hbo and watch something else. May get on my netflix. do something else. Because to watch black organizers just watch this and go do you know. Excuse me there are people from varga. San that they'd said killed themselves and nobody believe set. Those people went to jail immediately. They spent years in jail. They have been like fired from jobs from ferguson. And so they're watching this going like they the actually got the foot back home. And now they're not only no fly lists and they feel like. That's so unfair fair. You wanna talk about fair. Y'all beat a police officer's head in with a fire extinguisher you. Y'all will push him so much y'all crust police officer between a door you know the police officers just blue lives matter that any of their last matter. They didn't their lives in care to you. You injured all these blue lives matter so much because you have no problem told him black and brown people you need to shut up and just do whatever the fuck they tell you to do. But we are so used to being the enforcers of laws as opposed to the followers of law. You think that shit don't apply to you and this is what we're literally washing. And all the black activists all any kind of social activists they're looking at this really funny like oh so now y'all can just stand down in standby like he told you to do because ya sheep stupid. Not because y'all in some sort of lower economic status to some of y'all are like lawyers nurses and doctors and politics so not quote unquote that stupid. Yes oh fuck y'all so it's like it. It's it's pretty much a big fuck you And i'm not telling any black person to go down that hill. My girl Y'all could we as the blacks. We're going to standby and stand down on this. Y'all can fix this when we're not helping you. Y'all put that black woman up as acting chief. And i'm like yeah that don't fix nothing. She ain't bitty. Bobby bruins shit. Y'all need to fix this where we're kind of like we're done. We're awful. We got enough is bad enough as like hello. We still don't have justice for brianna. Taylor we don't fuck your farmers while the fuck are they not in jail so like no. I don't have justice for beyond the taylor. There's a lot of black people. Yeah what happened to mod arbor case. Y'all have not really said anything about that. What's going on with george floyd going on there. We all have nothing. So yeah we got we got to worry about. As opposed to y'all cousins and uncles and aunties and sisters decided to get their happy asses on spirit airlines and fly to dc. We're kinda done. It's point we're not going to So is all. I have for this and my my baby mama is gonna take care of my baby. I i thank you for having me on. And we have to check in offline in real life. Zoom cardi. Thank you now. Shadow saw the listeners. And i'll i'll talk to you again soon right. Thank you so much for being according a truly truly appreciated all fail levy. That'd be baby advocate nine. So you guys. This has been a momentous podcast are. We'll be back next week with some more discussion. Hopefully not as heavy. I'm going to ask everybody. Please take care of yourselves. Mentally on plug divest from making yourself. Look at this baby. you don't need to. i am floor you. please don't do this to yourself is okay to turn it off. I feel like i'm talking like monty vans app. i just enjoy. I enjoy money. That has apple too much because they're awesome so take care of yourself to care of your spirits to care of your mental lobby. Babies see cnx next week. Republicans who supported this president especially the ones in the joint session of congress today. Have you had enough food. After five years of coddling this president's fascist rhetoric guess whose followers want to burn down the reichstag because today the us capital was overrun for the first time since eighteen. Fourteen and a woman died. Who could have seen this coming. Everyone even dummies like me. This is the most shocking. Most tragic least surprising thing. I've ever seen for years now. People have been telling you cowards. That if you let the president liar about our democracy over and over and then join him in that. Lie and say he's right. Were you know for a fact that he is not. There will be a terrible price to pay. But you just never thought you'd have to pay too. I really do hope. You're enjoying those tax cuts and those judges because those judges are really going to be working hard. They're going to be busy throwing these idiots in jail and by idiots. I include the republicans. Who let this happen like you. Senator josh hawley raising your stupid fist. To the mob outside the capital like that. It's like black power but the opposite. They're really should be a name for that. Obviously has keep his fist closed. Because if you opened it you'd see all the blood on his hands. Speaking of which. How about you fox news. You think maybe years of peddling his conspiracy theories had anything to do with this. Oh but come on man you know. We have our opinion side and our news side. 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MM153 Pt. 3: The 4 Streets of Potomac (w/ Lily of ShesStartin)

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MM153 Pt. 3: The 4 Streets of Potomac (w/ Lily of ShesStartin)

"Stacey was fired because she pretty much was the show at the time. Honey she backhanded kristen and they mail joke about it. And i love her the better to me because i'll give fuck if i slept your boyfriend. You put your hands on me if you lost your mind and it's like how many times jack fought. They had not fired him so no they can't find my they now. Nail allegedly off. Frank was a piece of shit so would have been okay. I mean i would've fought frank. I don't even fight. I would've taken off all of its chunky sweaters to fight detroit. I wanna give a disclaimer. I hope that our friends in the community of are not going to unfollowed me and take taste of our might take about monique. Our tank of that's like if you like to be nothing. It's like so i don't. I'm like because one. I have said this before the clip on my On my page among his page. I'm like both candidates. Monique have my sympathy and empathy. Which is why i'm like. Does not irredeemable here she. I'm not throwing her away. I just need you to own it. You want candice to own it and she did that to. She's like do you own your. I do my part of my mouth. Monique owned her part in her actions. I'm sorry this all this all i do. We achim this often september. We could have button this right on up. But you did not relinquish and i'm like my you're not you're not riding this and i need you to stop baby is like i'm tired of talking about this fight. We're all. I'm a girl this your whole season so i'm glad that blow up with porsche and kenya happened at the reunion day. Talk about a really during the show. And it's like i'm so glad they didn't like could you imagine this happening on atlanta. It would be the whole season. I mean but they've had other people that had does stops. Everything even with pajama party is like there was a lot of happened. In like a episode and hand it was like ben candy. Candy getting upset. I will drag you in this bitch. i'm like. I believe what y'all get away from him when she first alani about tardy for the party like whatever party that was just like you better get out my face. I won't only talking for medically correct. Beat you ask you better. Get the fuck outta here. She looked scrappy okay. Candy looks crappiest book. 'cause she's so mama joyce doors mama joyce i know your match. She's so even keeled. I didn't expect that so when she does get like up like that as like my own. I got yes got back would like to see it. I would like to see it and i. i don't know anybody that stands mony stands violence and i don't think that they i wanted to make sure that people understand that like i. I get that there's a difference of opinion in This is likely about popularity contests does definitely popularity is like like. I don't like i understood. Monique but are also understand kansas. I see that's what i was like. I'm teen both sides in this on my monty and team table table right. I feel like i'm really has tag team. We glue. i feel like i should be in the west side of the weekly real. Mvp i'm gm both are wrong. I have not. I've not on board yet with team both are right and wrong because i don't see how monique was rights But i am seeing both are wrong. I'm also team. I dislike violence more than i dislike. Candice so. That's how i am i more anti-violence than i am anti canvas and i was always relatively neutral on ramonic- as i'm like i like a slow the little lying stuff. Because when she did with kendall and like yeah okay. So i feel like you're lying. 'cause you try to soc. Recently the bus cherie sat there looking gorgeous going like i. Oh my part no. I was trying to hurt giselle. This is why her to move on and get to a friendship because she didn't pass the buck mony dead. He's like this is all this reasons idea. I'm sorry. did you film of kendall did she. She wasn't a full time housewife. She can't dictate anything. You filmed with kindle. You brought up sermons past. That was not cherie told you. Now it's like oh that's my father is teresa's fall. I'm sorry did she put a battery back. And tell you say because you surely put a battery and candidates back because you wanted her to go after cerise giselle and that backfired the monster. That chalk created the frankenstein monster that y'all created backfired because she always opened her mouth and defend over them cherise because she felt some sort of way about sweets shaving her and then cerise she said you had a shape. This season three off. Yeah i don't know When they were on the bus she said that she had a shady bitch moment. What should we heard. Husky is she called me. Shady bitch does not what she said. But i gotta. I'm like so. There's a generational disconnect here is like. I don't think you realize that. This is a generational disconnect shady. She said you had a shady bitch moment and so she had no problem so other than that most time. She was defending karen. Monique the two people were like. I just can't be on your side. Nope and so for cherise. Nurseries for rob god caring for karen to be like i couldn't pick a side but then also when should recent giselle beefing robin didn't pick aside and karen said. Where does your loyalty lie. I'm like really karen like really like women. You had no problem till robin. She was being disloyal because she didn't pick aside. And you're sitting here like i can't because i have to sit on this fence. I have a seat where i sit. Defense curls shut up shut heavy seat this girl l. up and i'm surprised robert didn't bring that up and she should ever my question. Why do you keep you had no problem telling me that i should have picked a side which recent zell and now you're not sitting here picking aside explain explain. Please explain and y'all didn't ask for that. Okay so yeah. This fight is over. I'm glad mode as Louis already said manila's not coming back. She had no problem. I am not fired. And then the night of The reunion she went on live and said she's not coming back because she feels gas lit. And i have a feeling she watched and she didn't like what she saw and she andy did not really prefer her high. May he's representing your employer. What employer is able to say. It's okay to fight at work. What employer is going to say when employer. Who's who's who told you that. Who said that we also have to not discount the placement of the seating. Now we know a sailing are not the most dramatic this season. Where did they get to sit. Also with social distancing. Monique was on the last seats of the left side of your face again. Be which was like if you're six feet apart. That's like thirty feet away from him like our girl. Those last caesar traditionally created for The people that are not of interest to anti. I was like yeah. You sit in closed and that's usually 'cause yeah. I don't think there was a either your favorite ride year. The right needy always suck set closest to and e every was probably involved with the trauma only was she a fan favorite but she always had something going on that season. It's like girl. Even i think even at the most part even when she was just a friend of. I'm trying remember her placement at the reunion because she still came to the reunion time. Keep in mind where bethany always sets even for season back. She wasn't she always stirs shit but she her. I see him back. She was mostly. It was mostly internal her battles. Were shoes riding all the time. It's jill sat next to him and he talked. No-one to- bethany to stop crying in her. Oh i see what you mean like. Let it Wa wa like ice and everybody breaks up. That candy is a crier to because i understand the difference between said tears at mad tears. No one told me to stop fucking crying. No not one of them got there s speed on tv either. So you had done that there. Be a little leeway for how long you get to cry for getting your ass. Speed movie Especially when you have trauma. I don't y'all already. I've run around that point into the ground. So i'm going to stump saying this. It's not really switching. Gears dislike sliding into another gear. Listening additions of the husbands shall we. I love. Chris facets still much as like he is in this running to be a gold star husband. He has to be he is he. Must have done some outside life therapeutic work because he is able to talk that girl awful it every time in such a way that i am so jealous that do not have access zone. It was like coke and he's a man them purple potatoes. I'm like i still dream about when i saw him look good. My boyfriend can cook. But he'd like isn't like own restaurant his own restaurant level of chef. I mean he's doing like oh he's doing catering he's on cooking classes a lot way. There's a few top chefs that warrant the top chef show. They're doing online classes to. I think many the one. I'm thinking about she doesn't there was there was somebody who was like Online this morning like why is it. Can't this leaving this show. And i was like well honestly Like million dollar home. I know versus doing them right eight. I know chris doing online classes in catering but like it would be fiscally unsound for her you right now though is like yes. None of them is like mony came back. I'm like i'm like. I'm not like she needs to go. No she can come back and she made fun of that little. She made it fun of that little piece of paper that she's getting from who is like you don't need to be here. They were still offering her a direct. And i don't know what kind of contract some people they don't know if it was some away tom. I don't know. I surely do not care. It's like She can come back. I don't see a reason why she should have come back it. Like all of them should still be there. I will feel like down this hill but when it comes to ensemble cast potomac is the best. It's like all of them worked together. Well like it's a jersey. Where you need a theresa and they will pause production until her ass. Get out of jail. And that's when they'll film like pause pushback production because theresa's still in jail but why also also creating a show about her in jail if she routes if she doesn't run that network based on that shit alone. I don't know how you could ever debate that. She's not like the the goat soclean monday. I was like goes after that thing with the posh fashion show. I wasn't a fan of her. But i was like. I can't ignore that teresa's jude is is a gold star housewife is like jersey. Don't run without her so she ever decides to leave. It will be her choice. They will not be firing her. What was the acronym. She came for cash. All my god and it was like so weird. I'm like it was a really awkward if it was something. Something co core. He's so funny is was not all that quickey the so that's why she resorts the fighting. She's like you to a certain extent. But she ain't quick even so it's kinda like Yes she's punchy too because you bitch i'm like okay. Well fine fine. I watched mob wives. I know how jersey girls get down new york. Girls get down guest fine. I get it because three can argue and she will also beat your ass favorite. I'm like if they bring back my wife's i will die. I need drink there. Because i feel like it's still be somebody on site for reading. I'm like so been off. And she's like ditch. I've been waiting for your ass. Is you just take her earrings off. Yes three char drita winch. What's the girl from teen mom. She was like girl. When i see you on sinema beach like i've loved it imagery of clement taking their before they fight. Remiss always been really funny to me homeland gorge. Please leave treat alone. She excuse me and she looked like she can fight. So let's everybody talks about fights. I'm like did you ever watch the show jersey luscious. So is this show in mind. This is all win. The jersey rape happened jersey shore was on. Mtv real housewives of new jersey was on bravo. and then i think it was the style network and god knows what the fuck it is. Now they had a show called jersey leashes a hair salon and there were two hairstylists walls. The hairstyle is gonna make a farce. They didn't get along they. Hey not getting along since day one. They have always been at each other's throat well second or third season. Apparently the little makeup artist name. Olivia said something about the hair. Stylist tracy tracy is a little bit taller. She stock stockier. Tracy beat her ass and a sonic parking lot. Oh i said lookup jersey. Leashes tracy in olympia girl. That was the first thing she's like. Oh you're talking about you wanna do you olivia's one on food or a hand and then they start fighting in the sonic parking lot asset and funny right so tracy is so far removed. She's got a husband and children and she's like do you know they're still people who walk because he also has a podcast jersey delicious podcast but it's like just telling her life people still come up to me about that thing and sonic parking lot. That was like ten years ago. This crazy wall. i mean how. Many people bring up cherry flipping title table that she fifteen seconds. Yeah jersey lists doesn't even come on anymore because like true completely defunct is always like. Oh wow i'm like people still remember them. I'm like i don't know. I don't know what it was about. Tracy i like both tracy anna livia and i was like. I don't know it's just something about living tracy outta just like she beat her ass. But it's like is no one ever told olivia to stop fucking mouth off tracy for. She beat your way as nobody told her that. It's like no don't don't be no punk punk bitch funk you a wealth of television that comes out of the small state of new jersey is in. The girls are fighting in the celtic working. I i've never seen mob wives either. I'm guessing that's a jersey shore though. I think it's new york. I think new york and jersey. But you gotta. I gotta find it. I got figure out where it is. There's just so much content in that tiny plots was a staple on vh1. I loved mob wives so it was like all these black men fighting. I'm like you obviously have never seen my dream a whole lot of people ask you beat your ass bitch like yes fight. I need to find mov lives Dm me if you know where. I can look to see streaming there. Obviously i need this in my life you do. This is that they're supposed to be filming next year of a new season of mabaso. Like if drita aim back you can keep it. I think i've had the added the bachelor now to my repertoire of the bachelorette i mostly watch the bachelorette fruit breakdown so occupied billion maga. My i like i love cannot wreck recap and i'm like you need to be bashful mason recapping ship. Because he is fucking hilarious. Who i'm like. I'm trying to hold off for the bachelor like let me see because i haven't been able to ever watch a bachelor. This is only my second season of washington. I watched ray. Susan racial season rachel season. Because she's the back backtrack. Let me see what's going on. And then i watch this one. Because i was like i guess i need to watch and then you know with dale and claire and i'm like all lying but that's fine. 'cause y'all happy i don't care and then teijin i'm like i gotta watch so i'm like well i had theresa told me when i was on her podcast cyrus like really missing out. Not listening to has so. I mean. i hadn't listened to a lot of podcasts at that point either I think i listened to a couple of monies and To and i watched the braga breakdown every week. But i turned into the to Kendricks podcast on before i had watched the bachelorette highways lake. I have no idea what he's talking about but it was wrong like we gotta watch his family when the bashful comes back because he kept calling it. The quinta and i was like this is rate. This article was born on the quinta. I love i love. How are you going to the quitter. Waldorf astoria resort always be allowed leave. Buffalo's yours leave us alone. she's lying. Do not leave me alone. I look okay so we know about kendrick on you know. That's my office. Hours sweet memphis cupcake. Yano him my god. He is so this. Talk more about the husband's totally tangential like three and a half or union. Three and a half hour reunion so we can just not talk about anyway so we have talked for four hours. Nine minutes i wanted to remind you of the time. I know time you're not friends right. Now is a social construct. Mike but i i don't wanna stop. I'm just wanted to give you a timeshare. This podcast is going to be like epic ryan bailey lengths. At this point we're going to have to put like timestamps literally on this like is going to tell. Are you tell you. This is gonna be a multi part thing because it just needs to happen that way. I'm just letting you know. Oh my goodness. I laugh it and tease for next week. So i like the addition of eddie. I liked how measured his voice talking about his family. And it was like you story. So i feel like he could tell us so. I liked having any there I love ray has been at every reunion so you knew he would be there. And i'm like very happy he was. I liked the. Chris is talk about chris. Samuels is like let's talk about this because there's a lack compared with him. Let's let's oh we're talking about the. Don't you dare talk about my husband's like okay. Lisa reynolds you east. Beast dare you. I'm sorry is in a beast is not correct. This like y'all don't understand. That is ashley abbott. She's giving you ashley abbott's okay your voice. How dare you say. I guess we have gravel. Emmys i live east and i love at. I leans reaction. How dare you actually every though beast soon davidson. The beast is pretty incorrect. I'm sort of glad i'm screaming. And how she was like a girls were clutch to oxygen. Ashley abbott is not for the shit's clutched all over. The show. so talk about chris samuels. He had hot like Bei trying to shoot the shit before they set reset seen. He's like first of all. I got time be watching nothing. I've talked about this plateau my child. Let's have you. Have you have time to watch something on netflix. To we all mine. Watch the michael jordan. You could have just been like yeah watched it. You know but then when it came back for commercial break i know he. He changed his demeanor real quick. My girl lord candy. Hi how you doing girl high. He was the thin. And it's so. It's so weird with chris. Because y'all know we all know the purpose of the reunion to discuss what happened when the show was shown to the public. Chris samuels decided to use this as the stage for his confrontation of the people. Who tried to hurt his family. I chris is not here so you need to take this up with her. So here's the deal for everybody. Who doesn't know. There was a conversation about the rumors that were going around about. Monique after andy's baby shower in january of two thousand nine nineteen sometime after january twenty nineteen. Monique found out that there was a discussion of the rumors because candidates said she told monique but she didn't. She told karen who told monique. And then said okay. Let's didn't tell you and it was like. Oh okay. So if everybody remembers The union for season four was shot in august of twenty nineteen and at that reunion. Mony and candidates said they were not friends and they made up at the reunion. So that is eight months after eddie's baby shower when they made up and may twenty nine hundred nineteen needy leaks. Came to dc and opened a boutique the mgm. Where i believe just alle. Monique and also cherise jackson jordan. Were in that room. If you look on certain pages. I think is still unease. I think is still on reasons. I don't remember his reasons or not. I know someone needs you. Ac- that. Monique is in a very cute pink number and she has her hand around the waist of cherise jackson jordan then june twenty nineteen actually had a baby shower at the table was cherise jackson. Jordan was monique samuels. So these are two events not being taped for potomac. Because they weren't filming that she was in the same woman. Cherise the sary's that they are alluding to was involved in spreading a rumor about her that the plot quote unquote was that they were going to bring up at the season for reunion. Then not only. They only have an affair with her trainer on chris that Her youngest child is not chris's baby that was happening at the season for reunion. I'm keep saying season for that. Did not happen. G g and the reason is coming up because the rumor is that. Gt went straight to production with this and they date. Shut that down like we are not doing this. And so when it came up at the reunion yesterday part of the reunion jusoh said we were just talking about the rumors. There was no plot like she is saying there was no plot. Robin didn't really say too much because it's very interesting. Robin was also at the table at the baby shower because the people who went to the baby shower was candidates. Robin and giselle from the cast. I don't think she reasons they're kinda don't remember it's inconsequential because she's not a full-time or friend of the show. She's a friend of people off the show but she's not a friend of cause they ain't giving no contract. I have a feeling i. I'm pretty sure i feel like now. Shrieks may get a contract for season six. Because you talked about. Y'all talked about her way too much this season for not to be there and maybe that's a little easter egg there. My it's like they bring shrieks back girl. This is going to be great. I hope she brings more storylines than rooms do and it was like because one because eddie was. Don't put my shit on here. Don't talk about us. I don't know what the hell's in their agreement may be the reason why she couldn't cause remember first season and he was like you get on his show divorcing you and that's exactly what happened so it's like he didn't want her to do the show from jump so that's that so chris. And so the order of events was mo- neak went live. And i think this is one of the laws with raleigh knox in it but at the time rally wasn't in the shot she said that people were plaque dishes like i have people On my cats who are plotting to spread rumors about me. I don't spy rumors is spread. Truth this was alive so who was in mon weeks live went to candice's live and said mony said that shaw were plotting on her so canada said there was a conversation about someone plotting to to spread rumors about monique She said and she did say robin was there and it was just like wait. How are you. So it's like you just said robin was there And she said plantation which hilarious makeup all the words. You want baby makeup all the words i love it so then she also mentioned chases name so then. Monica and chris got on alive because they said they were angry. That candace brought up the name of their child and then they gave more context to the quote unquote class. Now mony position is that she when they said there was no plot. No-one said there was a plot. No one's planning on you. So when the husbands joined them she said they made. It seem like i made up the board. I'm put the plot out. I'd like. I made this thing about plot. Oh like i'm the one who brought it up and it was like but see. This is how telephone really works. That they were plotting can said there was a conversation about plotting and then i think that was the she's like. That was the plaque plantation. Whatever she used and then mony said plot so technically monique is. The first person brought up the plot. So when the episode came up where zell was in her Confessional talking about a rumor. That is why i believe. I don't have any scientific proof. It didn't make the waves on social media because everybody had already heard it from my mouth like oh so when she said there is she's like word on the street is she got to comfortable with. She got too close for comfort with the trainer and big boy found out just like accent dislike. Her burke consists practicing so big boy. I'm not gonna call him. Net my personal come after me. Please so. Chris said she was. He called me people. Ns disrespectful and But you know we black lives matter and all this shit. I'm like i know the person who put her hands on a nother. Black person is not sitting here not say saying like agree Like didn't you hit candice. Shut up he's like you can be quiet so when she said that i was like why do i feel like. That's not the first time she has said big boy. It wasn't because at season for at kennison's wedding sh she's a face in before it was like that wasn't the first time and i was like. Why are you in clock. Why don't you check are when you heard a said. Don't call my husband. Boys come on does that. Don't do that. So why were you. Christmas like magazine. I gotta be angry because she called me big boy on this show like so you missed it when she said it last season because she said it to your wife's facing jeans say nothing while the repetition of it maybe is like what it's like. Okay once once it was funny. How dare you call me big boy. And i'm like okay so you big bam i wanna know what nickname she can call you they want. I enjoy that. Flashback of gee-gee watching. Monique folded never noticed that he got some big as the word only soon the biggest draws every i fill them out. I'm like yeah because that's something you say. They were like but they were different. They were pretty big big underwear but that was a big boy. that's true. correct this fine because she did. Walk around calling. Ray uncle ben and every time she did it karen scheckter on it. Which is why. I think for like she. Don't call him that anymore. Because she said something else. Such an asshole uncle ben. I'm like girl. Please li real young band free just like girl see. You didn't check her announcing the outer line and it's like issues which will certain still his excuse. I'm like i'm like. I don't need you to give me a lesson. Just say i don't like her calling me. That is literally enough for me like you're right. It's like this so now you are up here doing all this and they tried to plot and bring this to the show but you also out mobs is supposed to come up. Sees a four at the beginning season five. It didn't come up because productions like we're not doing it so mony like oh and she talked about the plot yard just in era enosis like what is she talking about because you if they are saying no at the season for reunion. Do you honestly think they would've shown it on the show. They said no away to season for reunion so when they showed the unaired footage you know when she had on that burgundy leather and the glasses. She said that after. Monique acted a goddamn jackass. And at the this is after the lake house So she was like what you coming at me. I didn't bring up the fact that there's a rumor going around that she slept with her trainer and that baby is not. Chris is that is not discussing a plot. This is literally discussing the rumor. That's allegedly out. Kind of like how you said that jamal slinging his big deal over atlanta. It was just like those kind of rumors and it was unaired footage because they were never going to put it out so when her watching chris and money beat us place they talked about it on the show and was like but the plot didn't come up. They ever need to come up and and was going to go any. Andy tried to stop him us like. We already talked about this. Chris like i need to speak my truth and the end is like okay. Go let them talk. Let me seem so tired. at that. Point i'm guessing. That was probably our nine. It had to been non-organic skills leaving. God i don't wanna do this anymore if we talk about. Oh my god. I my leeann. My panty liner high. Is tired at austin. I was going to quote you quoted. Leeann that's funny monday exhausted. Like yeah my. We've exhausted two girls. Because i'm tired of talking about this shit so to watch him be like let's talk about the plot on my baby. We the reunion we talked about what comes up on the show up on the show and the only reason why people know about this plot is because you said it and that's the thing that people say y'all brought this up. Why are you doing this. This is why when you shut the rumor about the trainer. It didn't make no trickle or no splash on social media. Because you monique head already told people and you don't want to own it so she kept putting the video of kansas token about it but you keep. I don't think she put in the part of that clip. Where says monique said that. Schaller plotting on her. The reason she talked about is because you brought it up as you don't follow you know exactly what you said. She's only going about what the fan told her that she she say y'all applauding on her. So that's like but you're not adding in that part of the audio you're taking the context out. Its she talked about it because somebody asked her not to say. Let me tell you what's going on. It's like she wouldn't have talked about it. That's why we shut down. I'm like yanni to talk about what's going on on the show my own show and it seems like needs to in this like salad bar. Defensive link extract. This thing that this person said this this person that the other person said and then put it all together and make it make sense for me when we're looking at it saying but girl there's whole holes big holes being it was like ma'am i don't make no sense because essentially you you wanna take it out on zell. When he said the main plotter. I was like okay. So how is it not gee-gee how is it progress. Ggv idol how i call our defense is like a weird so i appreciate candice going. I'm directly to you chris. I'm say directly to you. She's like. I didn't come to you and i i have again. I have another theory. She's like i didn't come to you with a rumor. Because if i did not every room i heard i would be. We'd be talking for three days. The reason why she was came to ashley because she had video proof. It wasn't just somebody telling her. They sent her videos and photos so she actually had to back up. that's why she went to ashley. We'll take did you sell to go to ashley. But she had something to back it up. Not just that. I heard a rumor about your husband. It was more so. This is what i was sent about your husband. She had something go with it. She didn't have proof that there was a plot in motion quote unquote to get to come at her. She didn't have any proof. What's the point you leaving that out. You weren't friends. Y'all won't go anymore and you want to put all this on. You wanna put all of this on canvas. Chris that you know you her friend Why why you just come to her. You mean the friend that she put her hands-on to hand hadn't happened yet but she did call karen rights and care. What do i do with this information. They were just talking about the rumor. She didn't have any concrete proof that this was going to happen. That production shut it down right which i'm glad they did. 'cause it's mess. People say that bravo is okay. So this is yeah. This is vile. We're not doing this on the show. We are not about that. We're not going to do this. So i'm sitting here like girl. Wouldn't you think was going to happen. What did you think was gonna happen. Like it didn't happen so him getting very upset and then they brought up the part of the live. I honestly surprised they brought this up. I shouldn't have been. But i was. Because i remember this. I remember part of his live. But i guess i missed part of it because i'm like why don't i remember this. So not only did he. Dead name caitlyn jenner. But that and he said that he wanted to stop these these tricks out jassem. Low down dirty tricks for doing this. You're lashing out at her co stars but she lashing out at. Gd she the one that fueled this. She's the one who's doing this. Y'all gave her a season desist. But you know she still went lab. Because of the wording of cease-and-desist. Yeah what it said. Only thing i can think of flies. She went after zell is because Show and she they. She wanted to create a moment out of it was a story line. If you like put create a out of at her own expense. I guess which should we see this. Yeah justification because just trying to hurt me baby you gotta prove it and then it's like some he's somewhat went against robin but robin didn't get a lot of smoke about this and i feel like she should've says she should but it's mostly giselle and it was just like so when he was like i apologize from you know i apologize. I'm embarrassed by my actions. Not because nobody came after you for that. It was like last night. I saw a lot of people all of a sudden responding to it. And this was most old. And i'm like maybe we all missed it because i was to say bruce. Jenner was like whoa. I thought it was bruce banner i was like. Did he. just didn't name caitlyn jenner. It's like this apology and it's like yes. You don't have to forgive you because you like. I wish i was laid beecher s. It's like oh that would've been received a little better which show is a woman beatrice. And i don't think that he should say any of those things but to dead name transfers and is pretty fucked up. Some is like my kimmel just apologize. No they don't have the fucking it. Listen to you. You came here hot and heavy ready to get people's asses and it's like hi there. S pretty fucked up and that is just gross in. It was nasty okay. Because it's not against me. It's like why are you like that's the only way you would want to be a woman so you can beat on me. I'm sorry would well. Evidently in their household women beat on each other. So i am not surprised. It didn't like he used to do that for eleven. So i'm like monique so now. Do we have mony mony. Fans telling her like europe queen. She deserved it like she's got hartford husband in her house. Which is he's i know. I know the reaction woman. She i did. It was like well. That's embarrassing which. I know he meant for her but he's also like clearly backing her behavior for beating up canvas by saying. I wish i was a woman. So i could be up so clearly. We thought some toxic violet shits. That's backing up next behavior. You said like it's embarrassing the fight public. But you have no problem publicly saying you would beat your ass if i could and it's like you have no proof in like this is. I'm not telling you to be angry. 'cause that kinda shit would make me angry but you need to re directed to the right place and notice. You're you're not throwing it against g g you thrown it against giselle. And it's like she took on the fight. You wouldn't have been saying shit so you need to miss me with all of this. Let me get on my high horse and say how wrong you are here. But she been team on megan that fight. I'm pretty sure you wanna say nothing is like. Please don't blame me. I know how that's going. This is karen tried to remain neutral bus. She leaned more team only because she knew better. She's like no nope they liked. And i can't just be going against her. I karen can't hit stands getting feedback on my fans and she liked. Accolade was hilarious when they asked Who thinks that carried is more team. Only fact that ashley said it. I was like see. This is why ashley is not anybody's team. Is that ashley. I'm surprised that more people didn't raise their hands. I figured candice would have did. It was like cancer national. I didn't see that okay. Because i i didn't see actually raise our hand. I'm like maybe they just didn't show that on camera. I'm like i feel like she may well again. And i'm like women and i thought it was interesting. That giselle didn't think she was team. Monique robins didn't and it was just like i think to a certain extent because the way she talked about her with canvas and the way she talked about the conversation she had with only during the season did seem a little neutral. I think home meeting at her house if she gets phrased differently to candice candice. I'm gonna be honest with you. You're both my friends. If you had asked me to do this i would have did the same thing for you. Said i wanna have a meeting with the ladies. Absolutely you can have it in my house both of you if you'd like so i think so. I do believe that about karen that if candidate ask. Can we have a meeting. Like how do you guys think i should like. Even if she was looking for advice like how do you think. I should proceed with this because it's interesting as much as diesel has an issue with monique. As much as robin has an issue. Komo nikkei both of them basically they both were like yeah. We want to see her in jail. But don't tell can like you should care about her kids. Yeah the president who those children need to care about them. More than i do. And i'm glad she said that i'm like y'all care about our kids. I'm like monday care about children. Because what if he wants me some random person she got into a fight worth and wasn't her friend. God damn how many children you got. Get your way to jail. Go to jail. You know who else said that. Karen she's like no uh-huh i'm pressing charges. Go to jail. I can't fight. We'll be doing like okay. Karen alright so to watch. Chris get all upset that nobody's owning this plot. The never happened on the show. He was like young so i. They did talk about the plot. They talked about the trainer. Rumor day did not say we was going to bring this up like what plot they literally said. It was talking about the rumor. Because on the same vein of talking about cerise in the fire. Man and karen and mr blue is that literally is how. I look bad when it happened. I was like you and one. Karen said that That firemen rumor to what is karen. Act like she'll do this shit. I'm like what karen what you've got. Everybody fooled on here. Don't you go you messy too. Messy is the name of the game. You want housewives. I'm like this is not real life in real life. A bitch you fucking with you not sitting down. You're not going to go eat. Eat cheese drink wine with them in a bar okay. You're not doing yeah. i'm good. I'm not gonna talk to her. I won't be that's all you had to do. And i'm like a chris samuels. I don't know what you do. But i'm glad that can decide that to them. Seems like that rumor was stupid and she was like watching handle proves she couldn't say this is the rumor going on but the by john new. Those rumors were going on. And it's like this wasn't new you've known about this for two years like a like they. All know. Bravo said something to the effect of henry. Please stick to the stuff that happens on the show and this show and that was that was eighty point like this didn't know man questioned paternity came up which you don't and you need to bring the receipts to a reunion. We get it. And that's what that's what happened bud. Light for the most part were here to of outlook his not Most of the viewers aren't digging around in read. It aren't like don't have rob fan accounts. Everybody coming to this for the most part only has goodwin tax of. What are they talking about right. We like i have a little more context. Because people like serena and you have just so much he but like the average viewer only knows what happens on. The show was so right. Doing lives about things that aren't on the show. Like doing like distract. We gotta district. We got words wax. We got you doing talking about something that literally didn't even come up on the show and like there was no plot. What are you doing. Its mouth is supposed to happen to the season for reunion. We're indices and fiber union. Let that mouse go. And if that was the case what the fuck is she doing. A your fucking house. Don't want in your house out. I i cannot answer you explain talking to who rules. Somebody's willing your family. They can't come in your home. You would not be slapping. 'em how you would not be having no solo scenes. Mony what are you playing. It is colonel. Who you talking to. It's like it's her job. I'm like yeah. Her job is also not the hit or co workers. So which one is it because what she did it. Every union was personal. And i'm saying that you shouldn't like get. You should be mad about that but that didn't happen on the show. We're recapping what happened on the show so i think that mo- niks reputation and being end with the cool. Girls is more important to her than the rumor about her family. And that's why she remained close to two zelaputon until the fight until she wasn't on her side. So that's what my explanation in my head is why she was able to key. It'd be along with her and invite her into the house is because her reputation and how good she looks on to to potomac or the streets is more important to her than what her what the rumor is she knows. The rumor doesn't have legs and she tried to. do this. live during a film. Or during the era of the season because she's trying to create herself a storyline traumas side. Look what they were doing to me behind the scenes girl. It's not coincidental that this life happens during the season when she had already filmed and wrapped a season in which she was only part of like thirty percent. I feels like she trying to create a moment in a story line by giving air to this rumor that it didn't go anywhere because it doesn't have legs so right so that's why i'm saying that her reputation about like what people think of her and what she what her character is on. The show is more important because she was willing to out a rumor about her family in order to create a moment for herself right. I'm like girl is like for most if the potomac the three streets to potomac hall steady rain across the force you know what that's the show title in the four streets of potomac. How what streets. There's more street melt the streets of potomac. Okay so all. I'm so this this is for people who are trying to understand some things about bt s. Let me just give you something about the real housewives of new jersey because the person that wanted to pull stuff out. That didn't happen on the show. With danielle stub where she was sitting at the reunion. And she brought up. Did you were you there at the birth of your nephew. Remember that oh four. Beverly loss guide amount where she Before so apparently of course this is before it got on the show the new. Let's see. I think this is like maybe the season three or season. Four reunion where you're reaching back into the ad now of i'm just want to let on know so this was actually him season. Two of new jersey. Where daniels style. Bro brought up that Melissa borge had been talking to her on facebook. This is what she's saying. Facebook if you can mind you facebook that because theresa melissa did not get along this is before their own season three where make sure there's the season three Homegirl they had a whole thrilla in manila or the kalala the collision at the christening. Because they don't get alone sill danielle at the reunion because this before melissa. Cathy was on the show. She decided to bring up that Melissa or theresa. Melissa don't get along that she wasn't there to see the birth of her nephew. So that is the reunion. Where theresa tossed andy like a rag doll and got in her face by. She pushed him. Got in your family. She didn't hit her. I felt like she was going to. I think andy thought that too but yeah that is. She did push her boss. Yeah it was like what the hell bad. I'm like notice she's still there and it's like yeah. That was not nothing. Nothing is so. It was like what she just said had. Nothing did not come up on the show and danielle kept talking about it Behind so like this whole thing with the trainer thing the plot. That's not new for me. I've seen other people do that. They did it on beverly hills. They're like that didn't come up on a lot of the shows do it. So potomac is not a unicorn and this monique. You made this your story line. And i'm like. I don't know why you're like the storyline was. They're trying to ruin my family. And i'm like yeah i need your your dinosaur. Needs more. teeth love set saying a. Where were you getting this from. You're saying this is what happened. And then you grow gee-gee keep going on. She wouldn't i g live a few months ago. She went private for -aug. Was following her. She ended up going private. So i think if you deactivate through account and then reactivated people like you. You're not automatically new. Because i was like fouling her and i was like. Oh i think's 'cause she deactivated reactivated our account. Oh she must've deleted it then. Yeah you think that what it is. 'cause i if i if i deactivate my account like in it's not searchable but i reactivated. Everything is restored. Okay so you think she deleted them. We brought back or she just straight deleted Might she might. I notice bitch. I know i know you would affect her. That's great because i can remember react to her. She was just talking about it. She hasn't changed the story. She went on facebook live. I think after the second part of the reunion last sunday and she deleted that. But maybe that's all that's all. It's on youtube if y'all really wanna look on there so i'm sitting here like mony. I don't think you realize you have changed your story about this fight dozens of times. Gd has never changed her story. And so when jesus apologized sounds like instead i shouldn't have had that but like nazi show on should've been moved into the paternity thing i shouldn't but it's like the way she said it was like you broke you. Stop wanting to be her friend. I'm like i no longer want this friendship you center attacks and it was just like i was your friend for fourteen years so i guess there's a lot going on with that i'm like i'm not going to tell you. What kind of friend g g is. I don't care because it's like girl. This is too much you need to stop. Chris samuels needed to sit the fuck down and he stood up. 'cause he was when chris bassett was take. He was yelling at chris. Samuels and then here come. She'll cerise Here comes yelling just like you were yelling and yelling at chris. Samuels he should said. I'm not talking young talking to chris because they're yelling ciccio big ass down shit down. Christopher why are you up. And then it's like you want to jump shitty with robin and it was just like you want them to miss something that did not happen. It's like y'all act like y'all don't sit around and talk about rumors going on y'all have been doing since day. One every day going housewives franchise like this is new my chris. You need to stop this. You need to stop in is like an modique. You need to stop you. Want them to apologize for something that they did not do is like just bring up the trainer rumor on this show. Yeah she did. Did she talk about some sort of plot is like we wanna bust her ass. No happen even if even if the plot did happen as i said it not play or what kept going. No one believed it is like People like monique impales like see. Here's the deal. She don't mess this up because now there's people who who know. I wouldn't be surprised in the next few months. There's gonna be some odd pages spilling t about monique. 'cause that's why i'm like. There is some smoke to this. And i'm like i really hope there's not and i'm like i just want monique to live her whole life with her bird that she potty trained with a puppy pad and her three kids in her beautiful house with a big beautiful aquarium. I need you to do that. Because i g lab after the third part of the reunion because she was not getting a good edits you saw people who had no problem with mon with camps being called a disaster on twitter. They had no problem with zell being raked over the coals. They had no problem with them. Digging in like i think the question that andy said is that his phone number yes phone number people love that much. It looks like when people were like. He's being biased. Monique mike so you think that that's stopping anti-catholic. This like it's like most famous. It's not bethany frankel. Okay is like an also. She hit her co worker work. Why y'all being like this. He's she hit her coworker at work. You can. He can not sit there so when people like what people are putting out videos bravo condone violence them. Showing violence is not the same as condoning it. Because you know who also says. They don't condone rounds. Most got young aka the producer of love and hip hop. Like how much. Violence happens on that show showing. It doesn't mean they condone it. I think that i think the issue with that. Psa statement the gave was that it was not give. It was not given before any whites series in the franchise it wasn't given when stoskopf Kristen with gave her backhand it wasn't given with any jersey bullshit. I think the problem that people have about was that we don't condone violence was said i believe in the In potomac and i believe in atlanta no. It seemed like there was hearing choosing one. We don't condone When we choose to say we don't condone violence. We don't say it. When theresa they're able to show how many tales hairball dry say. Keep the bias in this. Like when lisa Literally grabbed cam richards neck when i reached across the table. No one has ever talked about that put. She reached across the table before to poke that. Glass or hand was on. Kim richards neck. What like it wasn't a clenched but it was like they're they're Like i was about the house that is also an example of restraint balfe regulation. She broke a glass dot for two seconds later in the show. Yeah the bitch out. No she should because well yamaha bridges. I think that kim richards is I expected mary on salt. Lake city. mix between karen huger and kim richards say miskin riches. Don't she's an asshole. She's a even bigger asshole when she was sober. I actually well. That's not uncommon but people tend to be less fun and bronwyn two now the she sober going through the process of getting rid of her addiction to alcohol and world watching that metrics went to rehab so we didn't have to watch her like withdrawal. Perot watcher integrate. Her family was leads. Paul lacombe richard. He was doing drugs drugs. I don't know what she was doing at an alleged alleged statement on alertly. I'm trying to think of certain to remember when she was in that hotel room in hawaii that creep he was gross. I'm trying to think because she remembers she also went to fill and i think she did tell him what drugs she did. So like dr phil. I want to know too. I don't think she was smoking crystal meth in the van. I think it was probably. I don't think she was doing coke in the bathroom. I'm like wait sue slurry. Yeah i'm like you doing. Coconut bathrooms it with pay during. Coking your bathroom of like. What is a lemonade. Have you never been to a coke. Party like zero. Hell is going on here. We were zero. Hell i mean you know this is hollywood. People do cocaine whatever who cares right girl. What is what are you doing. And it's like okay. So lisa has been was around in the eighties. She knows people you go kane and it's fine like whatever planning office so let's get back to potomac so the when we need to talk about is ray We kind of took it easy a little bit. It was kind of like and he explained himself. Well he was just like i said it and he explained like okay fair assessment so when he announced that he wanted to renew his vows with her for the twenty one year twenty fifth year. I thought oh this'll sweet ain't here come the singles. I just wanna tell me this. She is great girl. Shut the fuck up out. Thought of the vallas thing was divorced now has i. Why oh god. I'm like these said it out loud right now. The report brought it is is like y'all where's the lie. Everybody who's ever got vows renewed on bravo. they are all divorced are they. Are they all i know. I know they're saying let's start with so it is vicky don yet. How shedding and david david. I don't yeah. Laurie got married on bravo so no she did the camera. I don't know if she did. I don't think they knew she got the tattoo of his name on her ring finger. Maybe else her wedding. The that waiting. To eddie eddie. So she got married to him. Actually you know what there is one couple that is not divorced after getting the rows renewed that definitely from dallas. They renew their vows could swear they renewed their mouths. They are not divorced. So i think stephanie and her husband that i don't fucking know his name. Oh trevor yeah travis. That's it they we these ten canner not divorced either. The name did but she's also no longer on the show. So i feel but i'm just kidding. Wait no she still kelps vicky. That's true i'm trying to poke wake karnal and marie. She didn't renew their vows right now. No no i. Someone said ron when did but i don't know what the hell they're talking about on this season this season so they're still so so now on their own they're not they're not broken up either not zero-some nontraditional because she got a whole cute girlfriend. Her boyfriend is best so wait wait. Knee on self. Like city has still with her husband. Let's airy like it also introduction. So i think she also might she might break she my curse because she walked in renewing her vows. That was her introduction to us. At least i hope so. It wasn't like she's been married and then they renewed it after a few seasons. So i just thought it was really just case fall of andy. Congratulations by the way. There's occurs sorry right and it was just like so. We've named three couples that have done. Of course everybody knows. Well actually know that mario mario i don't i don't count ne-new renew nebraska's they got remarried and they're also so married they're still married so it's like they got remarried. This is the second wendy. They didn't renewed our vows. And of course we know cynthia and peter part of the per the curse to they renewed their vows remained really two years. Yeah is super weird. I'm like they just got married. Yeah so it's like a couple of years. I'm like maybe because y'all beg account is now green again. So maybe that's it so my we've named a lot of people and there are people who have beaten the curse. That's the three couples three different times. So i'm pulling karen and ray so i think like i i i think ray really is a gold star has been. I know. it's crazy to give him that label. But i think he's a good husband. You know it's kind of like he. He's not trying to steal seems he's like this is hard thing and i'm just here. But he was still able to be honest with her. Saying i feel like the dynamic has changed in technically. I'm like she's been a stay at home housewife for twenty. Something years in the making. Dennis like shane who i think. The part part that bugs me about the money thing is i get that. It's a it's a partnership and she did give some of walsh's calling her money because she earned it To help him with his situation a few years ago the tax situation. But were. but everybody's like you lived this. Capped woman privileged life is if she weren't She wasn't raising a family is like our who or like. Yeah it's not like we're we're not we're not monetize that labor corrode so it's not like she just sat home eating bon-bons in unlike doing our nails invading for ray to come home they were. They weren't single. She had family to raise his house so it was like. I'm not discounting her at all. Because i think she joked about i think she was joking about. The money is probably because in the state of their whole marriage. She wasn't pulling into money that she's pulling in because of housewives is like liable. You know this is just different for her. And and someone who is probably been not working for twenty something years. She's had a job before it was like. It probably feels good that she could actually help and it wasn't just. I'm pretty sure she felt good that she could help ray because she actually had the capital seoul because she's right the tax thing they had had nothing to do with his personal taxes. This is about his his his professional. This is his his his Companies taxes so it technically did not so when she said karen does not oh texas. I'm like she actually kind is right because it wasn't a nothing to do with them as a couple this company so an app to robbins wrong which is like why robin sank. How did you not know how to do. Not know it says business i would. Why would she know we'll see now. She's not his accountant's and kind of like i wasn't surprised she didn't know him like you surprised by that it was. I just. don't think that like it's not like she was sitting around getting money for free so when people are like unit work for twenty years and he gave you all. This money is job. How dare you say you want your money back. Just keep their money separate now. I would not like right. Because they're having a terrible to could take off. Her bra checks into to account for her to do whatever the weight she wants. Because you're having marital and having marital problems she should be creating an egg like a easily inaugural together nasdaq. That's the word their nest egg. Because what if they do disintegrate As as a couple like. She's out hafer money because she backed his business to get out of this tax thing. I want my money. Back to if my rosen ship were on a rocky ground and other no guarantees. There's no guarantee he's anyway. But there's less less guarantee. When when pete my husband's telling me he doesn't know what he's in love with me that makes me feel like he needs to get my paper in order correct so i the thing. I don't think it's ridiculous. She has after their house. It could have been on like the. Irs wants money so they would get it any way that they can through the irs. Pregnancy relentless. I don't see anything wrong with her. Saying i want my money back. I'm like i'm that's my uptake. It's like no. I think that's fine and that's what it is The star of this. I'm sorry the mvp of this region is definitely chris. Bassett because he was able to articulate. This was going on with. Michael is like one hand. I kind of wish. Michael would be aired but quite frankly. I feel like with the dishes all the husbands. It probably wouldn't have went back. Well mike also players. I don't know the black people he don't you got one more time. See chris tomlin of for you because ray did not like him. He's like you know. I don't like michael. It's like oh he really don't he. He's never changed that and then said so. When chris bassett brought up that chris was about the beat michaels ass notice. He ain't he was like yeah and he's like and i came to you and he's like you're right respect that it was like. Yeah 'cause he don't have no problem with chris and low key. I feel like he don't really have a problem. We can see the. It's kind of like the way that he reacted after the fight. He's like oh man. This sucks. I like anderson chris. I'm like that's interesting way. And then when they were leaving and both of the christmas or who's like men on wasn't yelling at you of wasn't yelling yelling at you and they're like endebted up in his over in it's like they. They actually are grownups. And it's like he's like i don't know if our wives are going to be friends again. They're not but and so and i. It's like you're going to have stick with your wife and that's what you're going to have to do it and it's fine. You're we have to see each other. But as of last night only says she's done with With housewives reality tv. Because the. i'm like honey. It's very interesting you're doing that. You're doing that because it didn't go the way you wanted. So it's very interesting that people are like. Oh my god. It was old great two and three. Oh my god. They treat around there so much bias against monique somebody up. It's like you have to be accountable that he couldn't let her skate. Because you can't see here and go okay. So physical violence is okay because everybody likes. Monique no baby is not okay as she help but i also thought she should have come back to at least do i know mon. Niimi is a goldstar housewife when she came back to housewives what does she do she apologized to either. I didn't like her apology but she's still gave it. She apologized to work. Things out with cynthia. She apologized believed to candy to porsche. She made immense to a lot of people. That is what. I wanted for meek. Sit with everybody. Even if there's a group 'cause i- giselle is not with you but if you've got to see her she's like. I want us to move forward. That is what you should have did. That is what. I wanted for meek. That's all she had to do. Because ma'am you're binders is went to paris on all of this. I'm sitting here like honey. How do you move forward will forward with this group. You can't i. i'm sorry. I'm like ma'am you put a tablet. Everybody tell me how i'm supposed to trust you. How how am. I supposed to build or rebuild a friendship with you when you go out of your way to do research with your group. Because i know you didn't do that by yourself baby. I'm not stupid it's like. I know you had help. Please explain to them how they move forward with you. They can't well this like i don't know. Is this sincere. I wanted money to make those amends. Because if you really are going to therapy baby you need at least two or three years in active therapy. Maybe once week maybe twice a month depending on how much you got the money so you got the time that you could actually sit down and work out your issues because you have a lot of on the trauma that a lot of us have so. It's not a mony thinks. She's not a unicorn on trauma she could run that the best way to work through this to use it in the moment. Actually not going to be on this show. And she's surrounding herself in her own fans Online at realize. When are you going to do the work. You need to do the work. It's like even if it's not for the show you need to do for you. It is like ma'am. I don't know what you want us to say but honey i just i just want good things for monique. You can't sit able but you get my sympathy and empathy. I meant that like i. I was like baby. You can't sit at my table. i don't want to sit with you. I don't wanna talk to you however you gave my sympathy and empathy. Because there's a lot going on. There is a lot of pain. 'cause when she says she blacked out. I don't believe it. I'm like i saw the minute that she blacked out. She was holding kansas hair and she was just she blacked out. She going the. That's why i mean different like the differentiation. When i was therese's podcast and that's why i said i don't think she's using the right words because lacking out is not remembered on them. I think which she should have said. As i was in fighter flight she used the term my adrenaline was going. And i black and i think what she meant was that she was in fighter flight because she was able to recreate what happened when she got in the car after the and the rage had taken over her so much she was during the fight. I i mean you could see that. She was in fighter flight. Even she was in parents living room right. She still was in light reactionary mode which is why she wasn't able to experience remorse. But she said it's my adrenaline still pumping. But it's i'm using the right like you're still paying. You could still be mad five days later. This is why would she said it. And she wasn't remorseful. Like yama gives you the space to do that. Because i think that's very honest. There are a lot of people like no. I'm not like i'm so fucking mad about this but it's like you're back. She could've just said. I'm still triggered right. One moment she blacked out like you're seeing red. There's other ways to say this. Other words forget shed right. It's like you can like you could replay word for like you had notions about you had thoughts. Explain what happened in the car after you left. I'm like that's blackout to me. I'm like no you just lost auto. She was control baby. It is and this happens like you can do this. You're not irredeemable and it was like for you to just leave because you like. I was gas lit up. She was guest leading this so wrong. And i'm like i'm sorry. What employer can condone physical violence. They can't that is like an. It's like you're like y'all. We don't condone violence on my. Because that's what they're supposed to say. You need to say that. We falcons show andrew. That's unidas every time every time a violent thing happens every time for aid and throws a play. Anything you only say. It'll joe the insane on pump rolls dallas a disclaimer at the beginning of every episode of every show on bravo like. Don't violence right because it's likely to happen on every episode of every show right andrew. We're not doing this. So i also want to address this thing of them saying that Andy was too hard or monique. I different ball ed work. I'd also first the first episode. Everybody was like he. Everybody was saying that he wasn't hard enough. Because it was not holding me accountable. I'm like excuse me. Which one is it. He allow brian easy to bring a halt share and put a lien need to sit here and let people yell at her he. He say no don't do that does not wrong. It's like it's so ridiculous he does is kind of like y'all i have seen him grill. People he girls a lot of people the render remote like new york. He definitely goes after them. Jack's he's done it on pump rules. He has done it on Beverly hills with and like literally with camille. He holds people accountable. But because you don't like them is fine is like oh he's ruled a lot of people. He's he's notorious grilling new. York is like eat. Grows them all the time. And also theresa. He may digging. As as she is the face of the franchise like y'all wanna bring up the black. I'm like totally fine. But he also lit cam get grilled. And what did she do. Say how you let that happen to me. He was like what do you mean he was looking like. What what do you mean. Well she was wrong right exactly and notice he was like how dare you let this happen to me. And he was like. But kim is like more just like he don't hold other people. He treated her him wrong. I'm like you know. Kim kim zolciak got in his face and said how dare you let that. Y'all just let them attack me. Kim zolciak forced him off the stage during the middle of the reunion. Come to her dressing room a bathroom or whatever On sue her after she and then allowed her to say so pretty jacked up stinks about black women. Her he like vicky is famous for he. Wrote the famous vickie and kelly dodd is so it was kind of like. There's a lotta times. He hold people accountable and some people don't but high. There's no physical. There's no way that he could not hold somebody who was physically violent. One of these shows accountable because even though like he's a violent every time yet he digs in jackson s every got damn time. He's on watch what happens. Live and the reunion. He does it every damn tom. He dug into reasons as he got into. Joe's face he got into renders phase. He got it. He did it to carol and i was team carol nessin. I'm like first of all to get bethany. His face for that exact comes like easy care. Carol even said are you afraid of her. That is bullshit eddie. He was like your rate of her. Are you have you lost her. Get you the fuck out of here. She asked him if he was afraid of her. I think the answer is yes. Yes is like at bethany. He's a huge fan favorite right and it was like go. We'll sue you and she will see you in court for ten years right. You were red. Says she's not divorced. I'm sorry i'm not gonna say. I think about that other than that. I don't think that that is her. I think that that is partially doing. Definitely is because the thing about it is when they also made me think of leeann lock in when he talked about accountability. He had no problem not letting up because he should've got her as dragged and she did so. It's like if you are. You have bad behavior on. This show is a disservice not to address it on the fucking reunion. He didn't he didn't up on james kennedy and he didn't let up on the witches of we. Ho he did not let up on. Jack's is like jackie. Like oh you wanna come attack again. It's like well you keep doing this shit what you either do. Stop doing stuff to make me eat. Codes you accountable. Sir will miss him embarrassing jack on tv. I was one of my favorite. Every watch what happens. Live he shaved. Is that it can't be. Don't be you treated unfairly on i. I hear what say because the only people who seem to have suffered any quote unquote consequences. Physical violence be a demotion or cutting your episodes has been porsche. That is it nothing happened to theresa. Nothing has happened to checks nothing. Has this like nothing happened to leeann. You didn't fire leonidas fired. Don't go for violence. Not because what happened like she liked busted. The glass of endures face. I think that was season two or three. Oh yeah that was. That was the season that she was supposedly al-zeine right. I was like girl. Ask haven't gotten rid of her. You didn't do it to stop. He starts. He did not go anywhere so a little bit of Merit to the black housewives c. consequences quote unquote but not. Everybody is not uniform. And i agree with that because there are only two people that i know that got was the two women from atlanta. So what he do have consequences. So what happened was held thing after. Like the fight with the cameraman. Apparently they all episodes remember. She wasn't on like a first good quarter of the season. And now i remember so. It was like that's and she was like. I wasn't demoted dame. Take my thing i'm like. Yeah i think you are. 'cause that cameron was like yeah. I could press charges. I think he and then they also did not return. Ask her back for that. Was the off season. What was happened. I think for this upcoming season. They were like cutting her episodes and they were cutting her pay. 'cause i think at the time she was getting paid for the whole season and i think they redid the contract. Or i'm like. I don't know what you're doing because it used to be like they get a whole pay for the season. They weren't being animals. Like i don't know if it's like their contracts set up pay by episode or just for the whole entire season. Oh they used to be paid by the season and now it's by so they cut her out. Sometimes i was confusing the season she'd be. She had the closet situation with the season that just ended. Those are separate the closet up the closet season. She came back the next season. Yeah right yeah. I think that's what the again time and time is a social construct. It really. I really did. I wanted her to come back. I really wanted more. Need to come back because she could fix this. But this is something. She has to relent a little bit. And i'll think she's ready for that. 'cause chris ain't for for either but because you know and moniker a good spot financially. They can step away from this. I feeling after the way. Chris reacted last night that he was probably like. I don't want you to do this. Shit neymar and i think. That's fine because one. I think for the most part. She doesn't need to take a little bit of a break. That's how i felt about the renders last season. I'm like was she didn't come back. I was like or. I don't know if they said she was fired or she's i think they that's no. She didn't decide she was fired. I think she was. She alluded to windows was fired out him. I think that after what we saw with chris in his behavior in the fact that they are blaming the show for this rumor it bodes but it wouldn't bode well for for. Monique certain her mental health to return and she needs a break. I'm like you need this. I agree that there might have been redemption season. Just like terendak could have. I is what i wanted. I'm like any breaks. It's like you need a mental break. I hope she does get to come back. I would love. I would like because among mony gives in a bad housewife. She just wasn't favorite and people are really acting. Like she was the face of the franchise. She was not. Yeah because feel like what was going to be kennison storyline high. What was monique. Storyline and dan byrd. When i've seen gloves at bird when things reach a fever pitch like they did with durant. And monique like i. It was like there was. I'm needs to leave. I don't know what we did to you but you need to take a break. You need a little bit of a gap sweetheart. You need to go. Yeah let's from Redemption happen next season of in season after but keeping them on because the story line and the redemption would have been good just. I don't think that would have been good for any either of them. Yeah so we don't count is a win because candidates did say i didn't wanna film with our i'm like Hi y'all like dallas. That's not possible. You do realize when i think after porsche was like moved back down to a friend of she didn't record with. She wasn't filming with kenya. Kenya film with her in his eye even with kenya in meaning like each other at the most it was group right. Candice would have candice would have done. Group stuff would have given up interacted with her and that needs to show way too much. She never would've left. I didn't believe that bluff. I was like she's gonna stay. It was like i. Don't i honestly like candice on. The show is she. She's part of a really good on. I'm like aldo detail. Y'all like out. All of them are like mony. Didn't lead me and kansas. Don't need to leave. i kinda lonely. Because she didn't like what it didn't redeem her and it was just like why do you put your hands on somebody. And then you need redemption. I'm like you should have came here with contrition and it's like you should just apologize off rip. You would have dead this really quickly. We wouldn't need three and a half hours of a reunion if you had just came here. Say lemme start here. This is how you get rid of shit when you apologize correctly. Not saying i defended was right. I'm like you spent a whole episode saying you were right. Then you come to the third part saying she didn't deserve that. I'm like baby. She's literally been saying that for over a year. What happened to me. I did are people like yes you did. And i'm anne thompson. Moaning need to say that. She should have said that she will should've went off. Rip or tiger after all of this is dropping work this. I'm like we. Can we work this out like we don't have to be best friends. We don't have to be as close. But i don't want you to feel like you can't be in a room with me because you didn't honor her trauma when she was going through it because you thought you were right. Your amanda. she press charges. No one ever told kenya's she was wrong for press charges on porsche. Because she wasn't like we are adult. Y'all have teams. This is not the playground. You don't put your hands on adults. It's not okay because you don't like what they're saying. It's like then walk the fuck away. Don't don't interact with somebody that you just. You can't control like look. She says i'm gonna say something back to her was like the. Don't do this with yourself. Don't do don't yourself up mentally monique. Because you think that you're right. I'm like do you want to be. Do you wanna be happy or do you want to be right. Sometimes right from things you happy. You didn't choose happiness. You chose violence literally and figuratively. I wonder. I wonder if monique had just apologized episode. What would the storyline of the series season. Eventually she would've been madera. Probably are. But i mean like what else would have they. What were they kissed them about that. I think that we might be dealing with a nother story. One one incident that's dragged out through an entire season and however beverly hills in arcane. Do this again right. That's juxtaposed with beverly hills. This was Like a titillating season. I'm okay with what happened. Driving it out. I wish. I wish monique would have but i do. Think how would this season turned out. What would have been very and you also beverly hills this season didn't they have to pause filming no foaming when it started. I feel aged. They were but they did have to. stop confessionals. And then they did. They did get see week awesome. Yeah so what is like so many people on beverly hills. I'm like i wanted to see erica. Jane's journey to broadway. We didn't get to see that. I'm like we saw a couple of scenes and i'm like so this is when people like what are the story lines. You do realize that's not how housewives a set up. There are some people who are accessories to storylines air. Jane is famous for that. Like i'm sorry. What's her storyline. Except she's she passed the puss. she's married times roddy. She is pretty wear shoes. I mean i don't know what her major story line is. everybody can't have a compelling storyline. Are some people who drive their messy boots people's there a bone collectors accessories. I'm like and they're frenemies. So it's like all everybody got a leader position and i'm just hoping that we're not moving into that format when home. Because i can't do this. I'm like no. It was dumb less than what it was. Dumber the season with lucy apple juicy which who get kids came up with the name. I'm like kids. i forgot. They weren't even clever enough to call it. Lucy lucy apple juicy lucy. Lucy apple juice has driven me crazy that the dogs last name wasn't just juicy and bruised. Someone else brought that up. And i was like thank you why. Why did why did why. Didn't they do that. In the first place. I actually was installed with the whole radar online thing and kyle getting yelled at by lisa in can but then after that ended in lisa by carl bob like kid i love you. I think i know i miss arctic. I want to say that. I eat feelings about beverly hills went way down after that fight in mannerisms loves filming i i know a lot of people dislike her. I think she really kinda ran that show. I'm so bored with them. Yeah yeah it's kinda like hope it lord so it was a three and a half hour reunion. There's no possible possibility. We could talk about this one hour and five and a half hour pilot is going to be breaking down data things on so. I wish i could sing. Sorry sasha look at the break on bravo some pipes. Oh my gosh. I watched so much. But now i feel embarrassed about that bill withers so y'all as dr wendy would say we are putting button on season five of the real housewives of potomac. I'm sorry that's brampton tape. It's going in a vault. I never wanna talk about ever again. I love y'all but it's like a lot of us who were like we are team. Violence is not the answer. Some people were team candidate like. We are tired of talking about it. I feel like some even team will meet. People are like. I'm tired of talking about this so everybody take a break. The library is closed until further. Who is close. We are not talking about this anymore. It's like you gotta take a break from potomac. A lot of people were like looking at people differently. Like you think it can't do it. We i'm like i'm fine with this. I'm like i am going to enjoy time off when i turn off my brain. 'cause i'm officially on vacation. I can't do this majel. i'm like amplification. I'm like i'm on like the library is closed until two t