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The Plan to Take Down Mitch McConnell

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16:31 min | 2 years ago

The Plan to Take Down Mitch McConnell

"You can say what you want about Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell but at least he's got a sense of humor. He's pretty legendary. He keeps he has like lots and lots of framed political cartoons in his office and and he he really savors the best ones Ryland Barton covers McConnell for Kentucky public radio he says as McConnell gears up for twenty twenty reelection campaign. He's got jokes. There is a political cartoon just from yesterday from the Herald Leader Lexington's newspaper Joel pet this great cartoonist he had this cartoon of Mitch McConnell Digging Graves in this cartoon McConnell surrounded by headstones. There's one the middle class another coal miners and another for campaign finance reform and McConnell. He's digging more graves and the graves that he was digging are his you know a possible democratic opponents for this twenty twenty race is coming up and Mitch McConnell actually tweeted this out saying of all the six hundred political cartoons that had been drawn about me over the years this one might be by favorite so his plan is she. Just bury any opposition literally the figuratively certainly in that cartoon. Yes I mean that's that's the plan in something. He's done really well over the years since he became the Senate majority leader back in in two thousand fifteen Mitch McConnell has become this boogeyman for the Democrats preventing their agenda from going anywhere Nancy Pelosi even held a press conference where she called McConnell the grim reaper since he's killed so much of her legislation but Ryland says the secret to McConnell success is that he hears this kind of criticism and instead of running from it instead of being intimidated by it. He's like sure bring it on and I think that's really emblematic kind of <hes> part of why McConnell is so successful. I guess he takes punches well. He embraces a lot of the criticism but McConnell popular at home. No He's not actually it's the Senate majority leader. You're the guy who has been causing so many headaches for the Democratic Party back in Kentucky Kentucky as the most unfavorable rating of opinion of McConnell as compared to any other state of their senators and you know this is something that that's that's something that existed in the last time around when he was running for reelection. Two Thousand Fourteen Democrats think he's vulnerable now. They're running a campaign against him. One candidates already in the race others seem like they're about to jump in and McConnell mostly seems amused and of course since he's become the Senate majority leader you know there's this huge argument to be made on his part. That's like all right. What are you going to do you know unseat one of the most powerful people in the United States government government and replace me with a freshman Democratic senator who may or may not be in the minority party at the very back bench Mitch McConnell come at me Bra exactly today on the show how long will Mitch McConnell be able to laugh off the Democrats who wanNA take his seat? I'm Mary Harass. You are listening to what next stick with us <music> from slate. I'm Seth Stevenson. I'm from the Economist. I'm Tom Stanage. We're back with a second season of our podcast that looks to the past for lessons about what's coming next. It's called the secret history of the future in in season two were digging even deeper to find unexpected and illuminating stories of bygone technology million details and a lot to learn along the way more curious tales from history for centuries. Italians had never eaten tomato more. For Amazing discoveries from the present day what would it be to have superhuman music on more predictions about the future of Technology D._N._A.. Is Complex Science subscribe to the secret history of the future season two on apple podcasts or wherever you listen the candidate the Democrats are betting on right now. In this race against Mitch McConnell. Her name is amy McGrath and her name sounds familiar. That's because she ran a campaign to represent Kentucky in the House of Representatives resentatives just last year. She got a lot of attention for it. She also lost but she has this compelling story. She was a female fighter pilot one of the first of flying combat and when she launched her senate campaign this week she took aimed squarely at Mitch McConnell. I was thirteen years old and I knew exactly what I wanted to do with my life. It's it's very compelling story. Where <hes> you know when amy McGrath is a kid <hes> she was growing up in northern Kentucky near Covington which is kind of like a suburb of Cincinnati almost like across the river and she wanted to grow up and be a fighter pilot <hes> and <hes> there is a a rule the time that a band women from <hes> being in combat and so she she wrote to Mitch McConnell who's been our senator here for a long time <hes> and and you know asking for his support to overturn this rule he never wrote back? I'm Amy Amy McGrath and I've often wondered how many other people did Mitch McConnell never take time to write back or even think about and so that's that's how she's kind of setting the stage for her candidacy so yes she she was really coming at this from this personal. <hes> you know this personal story and then she goes on to say that you know he's part of the problem in Washington <hes> that you know everybody in in Kentucky opposes I mean you. You mentioned this a little bit. Amy McGrath is I've been here before. She ran for the House of Representatives last time around and she lost. Did you cover her then yeah <hes> so she was running in the <hes> the sixth district in Kentucky which is around Lexington. That's Kentucky's second biggest city but it's it's Lexington and then you know a bunch of rural areas around it as well. It's a district that Democrats felt like they could flip. It's really kind of true swing district. It's gone back and forth between Republicans and Democrats over the last twenty thirty years and and it was this knocked down drag-out fight of very expensive race a lot of money spent on it. She raised a whole lot of money for it and in the end yet ended up being pretty close so it was all eyes were on that race and she ended up losing just by three three points yeah it's interesting because she was recruited reportedly to run for the Senate seat by Chuck Schumer but of course she'd lost the House of Representatives race and I it's sort of sets up this idea that she seems to feel right to the people but has she shown the sort of momentum votes wise to prove that she can do this. I think she did over perform. What many other Democrats would do in that Congressional district? She did pretty well lost a tight race but what she's shown is that <hes> and I think that why she was she so appealing is that one she has very compelling record and life story <HES> and she's also shown that she can raise a whole lot the money and that's like. I think that's one of the big things that they're looking for against McConnell well. I'm glad you brought up the money because as soon as amy McGrath announced her candidacy really quickly she raised a boatload of cash two and a half million dollars in twenty four hours. I think it's a massive amount of money in a short period of time <hes> she similarly thinks she raised over eight million dollars just for the congressional race last year and she somebody who gets she's getting attention not only in the state but across the country she somebody who. You can pull fundraisers around the country and get people to give her money yeah. Where's this money coming from? Is it coming from Kentucky is it coming from people is coming from companies <hes> at least for the at least for the donation Sir campaign. It's individually it's coming from individuals and they're giving some some stat that in that first twenty four hours it was small donations that the it was like a median <hes> or an average donation of thirty six dollars but yeah there's been a there's been a lot of people donating from out of state. I I don't have the the breakdown breakdown in front of me right now but it's a lot. Is that a pro or con. When you're running a Racing Kentucky oh it certainly something that McConnell's GonNa run against her on and that Republicans will say that she's raising all this money for Massachusetts from California granted granted the same thing goes from McConnell as well Mukalla gets a lot of attention from from around the country and he gets a lot of help from a big time Republican donors around the country so amy McGrath has the right story or at least she's got a fat wallet but when you run as a Democrat in Kentucky Ryan says you have to be ready to do battle I mean Kentucky's this really interesting case study in which like it was controlled by Democrats for almost all of state history until you know say starting in the early nineteen eighteen eighty s <hes> that's when started voting Republican federal elections until our <hes> current governor was finally elected <hes> two thousand fifteen and that's when kind of the cycle was complete in which Republicans are winning state elections <hes> regularly Louis to my own humble assessment of the situation at it comes down to a lot of big social issues? I think there's a lot of one issue voters and if they're candidate doesn't stand with them on abortion then they're gonNA. They're gonNA vote for the candidate. They stands with them on that a particular issue and I think there's a lot of conservative Democrats of again going back into Kentucky's history used to vote Democrat and they don't anymore because of issues like that. Something else happened right. After she announced her candidacy which is she started talking about the issues as you would do when you're running for Senate and she really quickly got into some trouble right so I she made this clint this statement on Morning Joe <hes> where she said that she took his tack of saying Kentuckians voted overwhelmingly in favor of Donald Trump in two thousand sixteen and <hes> and because they wanted him to drain the swamp they want him to get drug prices down and bring jobs back and he hasn't been able to do that because of Mitch McConnell Mitch McConnell's getting in the way of Donald Trump's agenda so she doesn't come out and give this full third endorsement of Donald Trump but she is kind of you know dancing around that very thing. She's trying to straddle this. <hes> you know it's the really trying trying to do this thing. The Democrats have had the have struggled and tried to do in Kentucky for the last while which is like be conservative Democrat and try and not lose you know your your liberal support and some of the bigger cities <hes> <hes> so there is that statement and I think that raised a few eyebrows but then the cavenaugh thing was really the the thing where a lot of her supporters were were pretty angry about it in an effort to sort of play to the left and the right amy McGrath got herself tangled up when she was asked if she would have voted to confirm Cavanaugh on the Supreme Court and because she ran for Congress year just as his nomination fight was going down she was already on the record about a lot of this so she had this record of statements against Kevin Already during your congressional race and then in this interview she says Oh yeah I would I would have voted to confirm him <hes> but then within hours of those interviews getting published that afternoon last week or that afternoon last week <hes> she she came out and retracted her statement on twitter <hes> and apologized to her <hes> two or support supporters saying that she upon further review of his record that she would not have in fact <hes> voted to confirm him. Mitch McConnell must be drooling over this back. In fourth yeah this is playing right into Mitch McConnell's hands like she was she was doing his job for him. Basically <hes> one of her possible opponents actually a guy who's thinking about running to about running as a Democrat so possible primary Challenger under scanning Matt Jones. Somebody asked him last week all right so what's going on with McGrath. What would you think is happening? He said you know I think she's just been consulted to death. I think that you know there's all these people who they have this line this idea of how a a Democrat can win and Kentucky and what they have to do and that involves this kind of like hybrid conservative Democrat. You know say that you're not partisan say that you don't really care about party but you know these issues you stand for and try to don't criticize has the president too much and that the whole messaging is confused right now that that was the least his line. I think that that there's probably some I'd lend some credence to that. Tell me a little bit about who this match Jones. Guy Is so matt. Jones is a radio host. He hosts Kentucky Sports Radio. It's this incredibly popular show about the University of Kentucky Basketball and so he's incredibly well known across the state and also like U._k.. Basketball as king here so that's kind of a like some say unfortunate discussed to be having in politics but thing is I would say it's arguably. There's a lot more Kentucky's who care about U._k.. Basketball than who care about what's really going on in Washington or what's going on in the statehouse <hes> I I hate to say that but <hes> you know that's that's something that a reason why this guy could end up being a possible contender against McGrath again. Amy McGrath's pretty new on the scene she still getting her name out. <hes> especially especially across the state you know after just running a small congressional race to now pivoting to working on a statewide campaign but again she's got the she's. She's going to have the the funds to do. It and you know we'll see how well she's able to get that story out there listening to this whole conversation there is this bigger problem I see which is how likely is it that anyone would defeat a sitting majority leader. It just seems like that position. Addition comes with so much power and so much money that I don't even know the last time it happened. Yeah I <hes> I don't know either. That's part of the case. McConnell is GonNa make <hes> you know he's a sitting Senate. Majority leader. He's got a lot of power <hes> he he can put a lot of issues that Kentucky Inns care about at the front of the line <hes> in Congress <hes> and he's going to bring back a lot of pork <hes>. I think that's something he's been kind unabashed about. Is that his connections in Washington Help Kentucky or that's at least the case he makes his wife is Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao and about all their connections to the transportation industry and how they were able to get the projects approved in the Kentucky area and the thing is like yeah he's proud of that and he's going to kind of <hes> he's going to run to the polls with it where where some people might characterize it as corrupt he's again. He's just kind of embracing Dan all right Ryland Barton. You're going to be following it hallway through. Thanks for telling us about it. Thanks for listening to me. Ryland Barton is the State House reporter for Kentucky Public Radio All right. That's the show what next is hosted by me Mary Harris and produced by my colleagues. Mary Wilson Jason De Leon and Ethan Brooks everyday. 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The Myriad Misdeeds of Moscow Mitch McConnell

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40:14 min | 1 year ago

The Myriad Misdeeds of Moscow Mitch McConnell

"At the risk of sounding partisan and I'm not saying this to be partisan in fact if the if the words were spoken by a Democrat I would be equally as forceful but uh I'm Georgia taking a bath mo back. My breath is taken away. Almost nothing to say to what I read that Senator Mitch. Mcconnell of Kentucky said earlier today that in fact it wouldn't be necessarily a bad idea for states to go bankrupt. The behavior of what happened in that first couple of weeks. We got this set aside which two weeks ago Mitch. Mcconnell said no never never happening delaying things but it did state and local government funds police and fire and teachers and school. How do you not fund police and fire and teachers and schools in the midst of this crisis? Hello and welcome to trump cast. I'm Virginia Heffernan. Okay multiple choice. Which word most freaks you out today. Just based on the phonemes. Okay so listen to the sounds. Cited KEEN STORMS PROTEIN. Spikes red hat cuddle parties at massage parlors in. Georgia because the virus is a hoax. I three in the fourth. Just listen to the sound Mitch. Mic ON L. Okay. This is a tough one. It's a tough one for me but I gotta go with the embodiment of a protein spike. Trying to bust into a human cell to just grim reaper. It Mitch McConnell today. He's in the news for telling blue states that they deserve no more aid and should just go bankrupt as a real drop dead this from a dude who a represents a state with its own democratic governor and A. B. Represents State. That's a welfare state in the extreme kept largely of by New York New Jersey Massachusetts and Connecticut. The states he thinks should declare bankruptcy. And you don't hear Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts saying that Kentucky one of the protectorates of her stage to jump off a cliff McConnell an obstructionist an operator a senator and it brought him. If you study the psychology as I have a Dick here to talk with me about Mitch. Mcconnell trump and the Kovic nineteen crisis is Jane Mayer. She's a staff writer at the New Yorker and the author of dark money the hidden history of the billionaires behind the rise of the radical right which McConnell is especially apropos. Welcome to trump. Cast Jane Great to be with you. It is such a pleasure to have you here. Even though we were talking about the uniquely unplayable topic of Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell you may have seen today. That governor Cuomo took direct shots at Mitch McConnell. In a way that he's never done with trump saying that he's just such an ugly fighter he was citing in particular. Mcconnell's point that there should be no basically no more aid to blue states just that he even divided the country between blue and red on the subject of aid for a national emergency. I think it's that idea that is striking. People is so ugly. I think the I think this this reaction that he's had most recently where he's trying to suggest that the state should just go bankrupt. He's reached a new threshold may be in terms of national awareness. That he's unpleasant. Yes that's I mean. That's an interesting way to put it because Cuomo hit that word ugly so hard and he's been very very cautious he's never said anything like that about Donald Trump even when they've locked orange publicly it was kind of this exhaustion and sadness in Cuomo. That had come to that that we now had to argue. That blue lives matter. Blue State lives matter. Or you know except Mitch McConnell's distinction that some people in blue states. Their lives are worth less because they're not voting for trump. Actually yesterday also. Nancy Pelosi took a swing at McConnell. That was unusually hard. She gave an interview. It looks like to E. J. Dion a columnist and about the letting the states go bankrupt. She said is Mitch McConnell. So desperate about his re-election that he has to say things like that and then at the end of the column. Ej Dion quotes. Nancy Pelosi saying that well Mitch. Mcconnell will do whatever donald trump wants him to I think McConnell's becoming kind of a national figure I see in in terms of being a a rallying point for against him for Democrats get about five to ten emails today from various groups trying to raise money for democratic causes by taking a swing McConnell. So he's become kind of the useful man to hate. It seems like symbol of something early on trump castle. We had on a Republican operative. I guess that's what he calls himself. Who's no longer? I think affiliated with the party but mark Ross and he saying something that I found interesting when I was bringing up the usual. Just you know my head's going to explode when I think about the obstructionist Mitch McConnell. He said well. That's how we felt about Harry Reid. That we felt like he was cloak and dagger he was treacherous. He was Twisted intellectual and we love seeing the steamroller. That is Mitch McConnell. I mean can you maybe go back because you have this unique perspective? I should say your your as you know. I'm a huge this piece that you have about. Mitch McConnell's evolution. How he became trump's enabler in chief really spells out. How Mitch McConnell became Mitch McConnell? Tell me about how he evolved. This grim reaper persona that seems perversely to appeal to people in the Republican Party. Like mark. Ross well I mean I guess you what they're admiring is his effectiveness and he makes no apologies for it. I spent months trying to understand him and put in a lot of time. Maybe hundred I'd I went back and counted over one hundred. Ten different people were interviewed for the story. Some of them many times and trying to figure out what makes them tick and basically at the end of the day and there's a quote in the story from someone who knows him really well saying just give up. You know you're trying too hard. This person said I wish I could tell you. There was some secret thing he really believes in. Yeah but he doesn't the entire quotes not in there. But I won't said it's all about winning. It's hollow it's pursuit of power for its own right. There were also people like John Yarmuth. Who was the congressman from is the Congressman From Louisville? Who's known Mitch? Mcconnell for fifty years in your midst now a democrat. He was once a Republican of long ago and they and and he and he and McConnell actually worked in a campaign together and I thought what he had to say was similarly eye-opening which was just that. Mitch McConnell does he wants to be someone but he doesn't WanNa do anything he an you know. So he's in it for the prestige the power that attention the respect whatever but not to bring about change or put some sort of public service really. I mean he is. He is obviously a Republican. So he's a small government kind of guide generally and you know he would say he's there to make things more conservative But if you look closely at Mitch McConnell's career. There is almost no issue where he hasn't taken more than one side. He swaps his position. Whenever it's politically necessary to do so to win the only thing that he's consistent about all way through life from the time that he first ran for his first office in high school is he is about winning and so yes so people who want to win and politics would admire that If you if you don't care about some something beyond that he he's good at winning. He has a tendency to be so nasty to his opponents that even though people in is not very popular in Kentucky and people many people said to me that even though they don't necessarily like him very much when they vote for him he has an ability to make whoever's ponant is look even worse. Hang that's what he's good at doing. This piece is a lot about the relationship between trump and McConnell. I've been thinking a lot watching Cuomo. I don't WanNa keep referring to him but he he's sort of because I'm not watching the trump briefings. He's kind of my study guide to the current state of the pandemic. So I've been looking at him and thinking you know Cuomo's no more or less eager for power than a trump or for political office and yet he seems to be in it. He made me realize that I think trump is sometimes basically in it for the fame. That trump does a lot of things that are not good for power like he. He gets distracted. He gets interested in getting someone's accolades or bashing someone who no one you know Rosie O'Donnell or you know not someone who's especially in his way and then also he does all these self-defeating things like sleep with Porn Stars and pay them often stupid things. And someone like Mitch. Mcconnell or Andrew Cuomo are so focused they I mean cuomo wants to jump into the breach and save his State and he seems so single mindedly focused on that that I was almost like. I'm glad we have governor interested in power and not in preening well think again as if Democrats probably admire Cuomo for being effective I mean in what was making people sort of gravitate towards him was. He seemed so smart and effective in comparison with the president in handling the corona virus hegemonic. The competence seems very admirable. I mean but what's interesting when you compare your the way you talked about. Cuomo and how you were happy. He was doing this for his state I think. One of the vulnerabilities that McConnell has is if you take a look at what he has done for his State his state he he was first elected to the Senate nineteen eighty-four his State is in terrible shape. By many many indicators and measures it has the highest cancer rate what you know some of the lowest education accomplishments. It's one of the poorest states in the country you have to wonder what has he done for his State and I think you know that. He's he's quite vulnerable to somebody taking him on on on that level. I mean he would say you know even if you WANNA serve say it's coal mining state. What's he done for the coal miners? Well I mean he barely barely help some bail out a fund the Black Lung Disability Fund. Just in the nick of time recently and not very well in the coal industry. He's just falling apart. I think he's vulnerable to somebody making the argument that he has not really done all that much for his state though he does. He will argue that he brings home lots of pork bridges roads and then we have to talk about Roussel. The Russian lawyer firm that is linked to the oligarch Oleg Deripaska. Who's caught up in a thousand ways in trump's Russia ties? You know that was appalling that he suddenly made this partnership with Dera Pasta. Who'd been bankrupt him not bankrupt but that was supposedly bringing aluminum manufacturing to Kentucky. How has that played with Kentuckians? Well I mean actually I think Kentuckians would be perfectly happy no matter whose money was behind the aluminum plant if it brought in jobs to tell you the truth but the reality is that that venture seems to be in really deep trouble. It's not going well and what happened was it was as much as anything. The Kentucky's Governor Matt Bevin. Who Swung that deal? And he put a ton of state money into that. He's committed to getting it on the ground and yet it doesn't seem to be working. So they may lose a lot of state money in that venture potentially and the jobs are not coming through and then Bevan was voted out and said that is really interesting because Bevan is was sort of a mini mead of trump who was the governor of Kentucky Republican and the State through mount in Isis last November and voted in a Democrat. Andy Bashir and that was a warning sign to McConnell and to the Republican Party in Kentucky. I mean Bevan was is known as being so dislike that he might have been a case in his own right He made a lot of really ridiculous errors politically but an and McConnell is a lot smoother operator but he was interesting as he is not popular in his home state. His popularity dipped down to seventeen percent approval rating in twenty seven to Corey. Someone I interviewed. I mean that is scraping bottom of the barrel there. He just doesn't have that much of a likeable personality. Yeah but what he does is he. Brings you know he brings some goodies back to the state and make sure that he gets credit for whatever he does bring back. It's heartbreaking that one of those goodies is baseline treatment for Black Lung and other respiratory disorders and coal miners. That's supposed you know he's hardly bringing pork and sparkling new education facilities the other thing though the other thing we've talked about you know he's incredibly good at smearing. His opponents is a saying which is you know if they throw a pebble at you respond with a boulder. Okay so there's that but the other thing he's really good at is raising an insanely large as the novel. Corona virus pandemic escalates in the US. Public health officials are encouraging those who are experiencing signs or symptoms of covert nineteen such as coughing or fever to seek medical guidance remotely. If you are a loved one are feeling sick or are just feeling worried. There's a way to get help without leaving home. 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Elaine Chao so talk us through that a little bit because it gets cloudy Obviously you don't want to be paranoid but at the same time some of this is in broad daylight the irony. I thought at least one of them was that the Republicans have been making such a big deal about Joe Biden's families corruption supposedly in Ukraine. And how they used their ties to the people who run the country to get a business deal for Biden's son but pretty much anything you could say about how the Biden family has profited from. Its foreign juice. You could say about Mitch. Mcconnell and the child's family and not only could you say it but the interesting thing to me was it has been said and by the same person who made the issue a Burris MMA and the Biden's and then that's Peter Schweitzer. Who's a conservative journalist? Who's written a book called Secret Empires and there's a chapter or two on the Biden's and right next to it is a chapter on the child's family and is if the Republicans who are making a big deal about the Biden's just decided to pretend that the next chapter didn't exist there they've just in the alphabetical order. They yeah they just skipped easy to see. Yeah I mean you and I I was just wondering and thinking you know what could McConnell had been thinking as he presided over these impeachment hearings during which the Republicans were trying to make a big about about Joe Biden's family profiting from foreign entanglements. And he knew he had to have known did the same book that laid that out laid out quite a bit about his own family in the child's family and what he would say just so we get this across is he. So He's married to Elaine show and it's referred others company. It is a shipping company. That does seventy percent or so of its its business with China and has been built up partly through connections with leaders of the Communist Party in China Which is already pretty strange position but what she would say as she's not running the company so it's not a problem. She was involved with the company but she hasn't been running it herself her her sister and her father run the company yet. Mcconnell and Elaine Chao received twenty five million dollars after Elaine's house mother died in two thousand seven and they've been made rich by this company. They are direct beneficiaries of it. And it's been built up in part because Elaine Chao. So father was a school friend of the former president of China and who helped it appears in various investments and business ventures accord and that. I'M BASING ON THE NEW YORK. Times reporting by Mike's foresights which fantastic reporting times done terrific job on this one of the things. That's alleged to have gotten under Mitch McConnell skin after the the roussel deal which as you say has not rebounded to the pocketbooks of Kentuckians the way Mcconnell might have hoped it would but the that after that deal he got nicknamed Moscow Mitch and we were at least told on. Some of this is just an effort to make this thing go viral that it really got under his skin it. There were some things that I wasn't able to use could use without somebody's name but he mitch. Mcconnell absolutely blew up at a reporter who who tried to question about this and basically lost his cool and I think I have no idea why that would be also if you read. Mcconnell's autobiography which is actually quite an entertaining and sprightly buck. A surprisingly Probably written by his staff but at any rate if you read it it what's clear and there is that he thinks that if you can make people laugh at your opponent you're GonNa win and what happened with Moscow Mitch. People were laughing at him. There were people wearing hats all over Kentucky that served things like yet Mitch and they were laughing at him and that I think he knows better than most people is something that can really hurt you in politics. I mean this is a guy that's given himself the nickname the grim reaper. Other things have slid off him. He doesn't mind being seen as evil. Just doesn't like Putin maybe doesn't like being seen as a kind of figure of fun. His tolerance for being considered evil is also something extraordinary about him. I mean tries to you know. Lean into it with the serve collecting. The political cartoons. That may come out to look like a turtle and the grim reaper and Darth vader. And all the kind of thing she dick. Cheney used to do much the same. But that's thinking about those images those anti heroes their powerful. What he doesn't WanNa be thought of is corrupt. Moscow Maj was a very corrupt allegation. The idea was that he had thrown the election in favor of trump by taking help from the Russians did he had not stood up to Putin when Putin was interfering in the two thousand sixteen election. And there's new material on that in that the story that we ran which shows you that quite surprisingly for weeks and weeks and weeks. The director of the C. I. A. in When Sixteen in the Obama Administration John Brennan was trying to reach Mitch McConnell in the summer of two thousand sixteen with what he described as an urgent national security matter a threat that he needed to talk to McConnell about McConnell at the time was the the Senate majority leader. So you've got the C. I. A. Director personally trying to reach the Senate majority leader for weeks. Mitch McConnell just docked. It didn't make time for him. It service stoning. What's crazy about that? Is this kid from Kentucky. You don't get called by John. Brennan every day asking to talk to you about an urgent matter that you know sounds like you could be getting called about an al Qaeda warning and the fact that he refused to take that call suggests that the answers to another someone other than the US intelligence services which is what we've seen in in the president and that is very ominous. That description is chilling in In your piece of Brennan's efforts to reach him and then of course you lied to you. Know another heart sinking moment in the dreaded year twenty sixteen when McConnell edits beyond recognition the memo or the letter signed by Paul Ryan signed by BARACK OBAMA TO WARN AMERICANS ABOUT RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE. Talk about that letter went down so basically those weeks when he was not reachable. Were when the Senate was in recess over the summer. You find that comes back. After Labor Day the President calls him and the three other top congressional leaders into a private meeting in the oval ups no staff and begs them to put out some kind of letter of warning to the country and particularly to election officials to warn them that there's a foreign threat taking place and that if they need help they can get it from the Federal Government. Three of the four congressional leaders. There said sure the fourth was Mitch. Mcconnell who according to the ACCOUNTA- got said nothing and then dragged his feet for weeks afterwards as the four of them tried to come up with the statement that the president implored them to put out. And I've got the back and forth between the staff members. I've actually had a chance to look at the log and see the email correspondence back and forth. And what you can see is for several more weeks what happens is McConnell refuses to put out any statement that will identify it as foreign threat And he also insists on this language that so muddled that the state and local election officials are almost unaware. What's going on when this statement finally put is put out and they also are not asked to go get help from the federal government because Mitch. Mcconnell doesn't believe that there should be any federal role in election security. He thinks it should be up. To State. Local officials basically it just becomes this indecipherable comment. That comes out and nobody knew till long after the election that it turned out the Russians were actually targeting. The election security election systems in all fifty states. Yeah yes you have written about Kathleen Hall. Jamieson 's research into justice question of did Russian hacking Russian information operations Swing the election for trump and for some reason although your piece and her book came out in October two thousand eighteen that it still somehow for Bolton to say the Russians did this like Russian. Interference wasn't just a nuisance. It may have compromised. The legitimacy of the election on the president is is if. You can't really say it or if you do that you're you know discounted. I mean even after just this week. The Senate Intelligence Committee put out yet. Another study bipartisan study. That was unanimously released in a Senate committee. That's headed by a Republican as saying that there is no doubt about the intelligence that that Russia tried to interfere and was actively interfering in the two thousand sixteen election. And it's not really debatable anymore. And the thing is McConnell himself has said that he accepts that verdict. Even though president trump never has accepted I mean McConnell said he accepted but the the mystery is okay. What was he doing then? In the summer of two thousand sixteen. Why was he resisting meeting with John? Brennan why was he not putting out a clear statement to all the officials that manage elections all over the country before the election? What was going on in his head and and you know it's a bit of a mystery. He didn't speak to me for the story. But I've got people who speculated on it including one of whom is Susan Rice. Who was the national security advisor to Obama at the time and basically she says you know you can't for sure but she thinks that McConnell realized that if you called out the Russians who were trying to help trump it might hurt the Republicans from chances of winning and so that he may have just done this for partisan purposes again. The man is driven by the need to win no matter what and and she says if that so it's a disgrace and of course it would be if so we don't really know for sure. I mean what what was in his head But but they're plenty of people who were rubbing shoulders with him around then who were interviewed in the story who speculate that he may have just done. This report is advantage. And you know what's also back to your point about the projection of McConnell and Co of corruption onto Biden that the claim at the time by McConnell. At least the one that trickled down to me. Was that if he and Obama were to make a bipartisan statement about Russian interference. Whether or not they mentioned that it was just way the election for trump they would be seeing somehow as partisan and he managed to pray on. It seems like Obama's fear of putting a you know a thumb on the scale for Hillary though he was campaigning for her or being seen as partisan in his final days. Yeah and what Obama was so worried about. Was He wanted people to understand that this was a national security threat that the Russians that was not calling out attention to them because he was trying to help the Democrats he was calling it out because it was a threat to all of us no matter what. Our parties are to have a foreign country interfering in our democratic election. And he wanted that that message to come through in. Exactly that bipartisan nonpartisan way. Yeah and and the problem was that McConnell was threatening to make a stink about. It would be saying you're just doing this to help the Democrats which is really low. It's also wild to imagine that there were statements obviously wikileaks hacked the RNC. Also there were ways that Republicans at the time and intelligence you know nonpartisan intelligence professionals like James Clapper just said this about elections security and left out whether this was on trump's behalf or not you know as you say that it was just it was a it was a major security breach and the fact that McConnell no fan at the time of Donald Trump was willing to do that suggested unwilling even to sign onto that that there was this intelligence breach suggests that McConnell was not just answering Republican Party trying to further Republican Party but he was explicitly trying to protect Russia. Well I don't know that I would say that it was because he cares about helping Russia one way or the other. I mean he's been sort of a cold warrior type in the in the past. I do think you have to. If you look closely at McConnell the thing he always cares the most about in addition to winning is specifically keeping the Republican majority Senate and at at that point he did not think that trump was likely to win but he really wanted the Republicans to hold onto the Senate Who He didn't do anything that was going to interfere with. Republican turnout for instance. That would have been sort of what was on his mind. And then okay just to be fair to McConnell here for a second just because factor fact. He has a long history of of arguing that elections should only be in the hands of state and local officials institutionality election. The sort of taking care of elections is his fallen into the role is in the hands of state and local officials. There's no federal role for so he would. He would argue that. It was sort of a strict construction EST opinion. It also happens to be the kind of opinion that southerners who believe in states' rights have often taken you know. Leave it up to the local states to decide who gets to vote and how and so It's consistent with all those things but at the end of the day. It's very very weird. That yes it and it may have actually had some you know lasting impact in the election because there was no clear signal sent out warning the country about it. This brings us right up to the present moment and the the covert relief bill and also his recent statements. Mcconnell's recent statements about how the states the city's blue states and cities to just declare bankruptcy. Even though this is a states rights thing even though of course the blue states for powerful blue states essentially support with their tax dollars the rest of the country and certainly Kentucky so you know Kentucky or some idea states independence's is and cutting federal funding to the states that pay the highest taxes is a neat trick. Even if McConnell's wizardry might even have topped here. It's it's very hard to make the case that it's every man for himself now. It should Great Britain. An overwhelmingly True Kentucky is a taker state of money from big States like the prosper cities like New York and California. Yeah duckie lives off of the tax dollars from those states because it's so much. The population and Kentucky is is dependent on federal programs and different kinds of benefits. That people live on so yes it would be shooting themselves in the foot but meanwhile the politics of it are obvious you know that. What is he saying? He saying? We're not GONNA help the states that actually have functional competent well-staffed governments. They need to cut them. Cut Off all those firefighters and policemen and bureaucrats because we don't have them in Kentucky so they shouldn't have them in other parts of the country where the state governments actually work well just to go one step. Further a lot of the Democratic Party. Power in states is in unionized. Government officials who are members of unions like asks me and so the so he's going at the muscle of the Democratic Party here and saying you know we're not going to help you guys if you know. Why should we help you? Defeat us in elections basically just another twist it seems very McConnell World Twist Kentucky might come out of this kind of soft battle among the states are right because You know they have this. Democratic governor and that Governor Has Aligned Kentucky with these midwestern blue states. Who are not doing the Georgia the crazy Georgia throw open the massage parlors and the tattoo shops. They're working together grounded in science to do what they think is best for their regions. It would be just rich. Nauseating Irony if Kentucky came out of the pandemic doing better in terms of cases and fatalities and that helped McConnell's reelection that Kentucky was behaving in some ways like a blue state Kentucky. Some you know. It's across the borders Tennessee. Where women fights about about exactly this issue. Kentucky's also been estate where there's kind of brewing culture war on some of this because The the Mayor of Louisville tried to stop a drive in church services on Easter. Or at least say that he was gonNA take license plates of people and who attended them and have them stay home in self quarantine for fourteen days and so it became an issue of you know the religious right versus the government. Health officials and McConnell in. That case was on the side of the religious. Right I mean if McConnell decided to start saying that Louisville needs to declare bankruptcy will know. We've gotten too weird territory. One last thing is the lead and the piece is about this. Cove the cove at Bill. I assuming just trying to put this together chronologically that you started working on this piece before the pandemic and certainly before the relief was proposed. Walk US through. What happened there because things are moving so fast especially with this relief. Bill people finally getting their checks that it's hard to remember this one went down and it had some of the same foot-dragging that the Brennan warning had with McConnell using I could McConnell's reputation in Washington anyway is as one of the wiliest and shrewdest operators in in the town and yet if you look closely at how he handled the beginning of the pandemic he was in my view he was he was slow and He missed judged it even after. President trump declared a national emergency which McConnell adjourned the Senate for a long weekend so that he McConnell could go down to a party that he wanted to attend in Louisville and it looked terrible. I mean the optics were awful. It was his nancy. Pelosi was trying to together a of the first of the rescue bills. And there were a number of senators who Reprimanded McConnell said. We should stay here and work. So he didn't seem on it I don't think and he similarly as the thing was brewing even before then as trump kept saying you know we're GONNA be fine and they're you know there's it's going to miraculously disappear and all those statements we now know so well Mitch. Mcconnell was defending trump's position on this when Democrats were saying we've got to raise more emergency funds for it Mitch. Mcconnell was saying that the Democrats were just partaking in what he called her formative outrage as if it was just a big act you see in that also he's thrown in his lot with trump and that's the point of the piece is the has made his deal. He didn't support trump in the two thousand sixteen election but after his election he has put almost no daylight between himself and trump and he's really enabled trump to stay in power and trump is enabling. Mitch McConnell to probably likely maybe not who knows get reelected? He's he McConnell feels he needs to stick with trump An and so does his. Republican caucuses Senate field needs to stick with trump. So you've got this devils deal you can in the beginning of the pandemic. Your piece is fantastic. I'm glad it's getting attention Because it's it's sort of the the The the the complete audit that that that McConnell needs that we all need of this person who's been so instrumental during trump's presidency. I saw the pieces broken into three moments. Three three you kind of world's historical moments in his career Since he's been in in the Senate the first was the blocking of Merrick. Garland the second was the keeping from the American public the extent of Russian interference. And the third is possibly stalling. This Cova del or might be considered stalling. This really fell. You do such a nice job of making at least the first to look very analogous. The idea of McConnell is to say not an emergency like what are the libs screaming about? You know. We don't have to actually confirm Garland. Let's wait another day. Let's wait another day. Let's wait another day until it's impossible and then the same thing slow walking I'm GonNa get back to you Brennan. Maybe but then you get to Cova did and I think this is why this is the moment that will I think? Ideally tank trump's reputation for all time. If at great cost to us. Is that that kind of slow. Walking was not the right response to the covert virus that there was no way to frame this as a hoax or or partisan and so he and trump seemed to have met the moment where these McConnell kind of shenanigans don't don't work anymore and I think you know it's interesting historically because a like this can make or break a leaders reputation and either they rise to the occasion or they don't and right what we're seeing is. These two men are flailing and you know. Maybe they'll come out of it okay or get reelected by the skin of their teeth. It's hard to tell at this point but they have not shown the kind of leadership that makes you stand back in admiration and confidence and you know. I think. There's a hunger for that somehow in the country Jane Mayer is a staff writer for the New Yorker and the author of dark money. Thank you so much for being here. Jane. This is terrific piece and it's great talking to you soon is to be with you. Thanks for all the great questions. We'll do it again in better times. That's our show for today and for the week. Trump cast because of cutbacks. At slate has had to go from two to one shows a week. It's rough on us and we're so grateful for your support through this time. The best thing you can do if you WANNA see trump cast and all slates podcast content. 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"Hey, I'm Rhonda data on Romney Bluey. And this is through line from NPR. So a couple of months ago, you might remember. We did an episode on house speaker Nancy Pelosi. We wanted to understand how she's become one of the most powerful and polarizing figures in American politics, kind of, like her equivalent in the Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell while we were reporting about Pelosi our friends at embedded were working on a deep history about McConnell. They just put out there, I episode in the series and it's awesome. So we wanted to share it with you here. It is. Hey, I'm Kelly mcevers in America, mental, and this is embedded Alec McGillis, who's a journalist, York's propublica and he usually has a nose for really, really compelling stories which is why when talking with him about a book. He wrote a few years back. I had ask, what were people's reactions when he told me we're working on this. Concern. Puzzlement really doing while you're doing a book on on metro Connell. Mitch mcconnell. If you know anything about him, it is probably one of these three things one he's the majority leader, the United States Senate, which is a really powerful job to he blocked, President Obama's nominee to the supreme court and three. He is not the most dynamic guy in politics. Is that overstating that no, not at all? He's almost notorious in Washington for his opaqueness drabness is one demeanor when when Simon and Schuster approached me about doing the book, I kind of questioned their belief that there was a market. And to this day, I would I get my, my role these statements, I continued to question, whether there's a market for the buck a joke, perhaps would Alec was saying, actually came across more like a warning, because we were already in fact, in the middle of reporting a podcast series, about Mitch McConnell. Sometimes I would sit back when I'm in June. And I would imagine him in powder, white wig, and a ruffled shirt, like a late eighteenth, century politics, warm and engaging and outgoing none of those terms, describe Mitch mcco some faults still don't think I spend enough time with congress bound to get a drink with Mitch McConnell bask. Really? Why don't you get a drink with Mitch McConnell? Ultimately Alec landed in the same place. We did Mike finally came to decide to do the book to take it on because actually saw him as incredibly important to understanding what's happened to politics in America today. There was really no one better to get that through, then Mitch McConnell. Depending on who you ask in this very divided country. Mitch McConnell is either responsible for the downfall of our democracy, or has been one of the most effective, Senate majority leaders in history. He has said blocking Obama supreme court nominee, Merrick garland was quote, the most consequential decision. He has ever made in his entire career. I think this is basically Mitch McConnell giving the middle finger to Representative democracy. He helped President Trump put two justices on the supreme court, who is the hero, the conservative movement today for holding open the supreme court seat Mitch McConnell, now a Republican, he's rewriting the rules of the Senate. Keeping what many say are key issues from even coming up for a vote and he's reshaping the federal courts in ways that will affect the country for generations. Mitch McConnell has blown his Senate seat, six times, even though like many leaders in congress, he is not very popular in his home state right now. He's actually one of the least popular senators in the country. But still, he and the people around him are very confident a win again in twenty twenty and he has done all of this kept winning and become one of the most powerful people in the country despite his almost aggressively blinked demeanor, and that says Alec McGillis is actually essential to understanding him. It's been one of the most striking things about Mitch McConnell, that he is succeeded so much in American politics, despite being so utterly unsuited to it from, from the standpoint of his personality. He recognized it in himself knew that he just was completely lacking in that natural political Chrismas in that he was going to have to find other ways to win. And what were those other ways to answer that we are going to go back and look at a few of Mitch McConnell's earliest races races few people thought he would win. And we're gonna see how he did it. Because if you hate him, you want to beat them in twenty twenty or if you love him, and you want him to stay in power knowing where Mitch McConnell came from tells you a lot about how he operates and about his affect on the country. That's our show today, one of the most improbable, powerful people in America and the levers, he pulled that got him there. After this break. Support for this podcast comes from REI co op as do the following questions where do you see yourself in five miles? What does silence sound like can bear spray help you sleep? What's the easiest version of climbing a mountain dew mosquito find me attractive REI can help you find out for yourself with gear classes, and eighty one years of outdoor experience. Learn more at REI dot com is their age discrimination from employers. What is it about paying in advance that makes people faster picking up their dry cleaning, I'm Stacey Smith? And I'm Cardiff Garcia. We are the co hosts of planet money's the indicator where we answered these great questions from you, our listeners every day, and in less than ten minutes. Okay. We're back in the way, Mitch McConnell tells it, he was not one of the cool kids growing up. He wore an I like IT button in his fifth grade picture. He's at in front of the TV and watched both political conventions in full in nineteen fifty-six. He was fourteen years old, and despite being as he puts it quite shy McConnell decided during his junior year of high school to run for student council president. It's a story. He tells in his book the long game and spoiler alert. This is not the story of an idealistic teenager with big plans to make the school a better place young. Mitch McConnell was a pragmatist during the election on needed to run a better campaign. Yes, this is Mitch McConnell narrating, the audio version of his memoir, began to seek the endorsements of the popular kids like John Boyd, a well-known cheerleader and Pete dodging on all city football player. I was prepared to ask for their vote. Using the only two in my arsenal. The one thing teenagers most is our flattery, Nick had his own agenda, Kenneth Boyd, the well-known cheerleader told us, she appreciated the attention. And she eagerly gave McConnell her vote because he's just that's mart. He had a plan. I wish I had had a plan. Yes. And McConnell, did not stop there. How does onto pamphlet entitled, we want McConnell for president and listed the names of the popular students whose endorsements odd secured most politicians have these stories right about who they are? And why they're the best guy for the job. And this one tells us a lot about how Mitch McConnell sees himself, that he's the guy who will out work outsmart his opponent who will do things most people wouldn't do to win and what is high school, if not a training ground for local politics in nineteen seventy seven at age thirty five McConnell ran for his first pub. Office, and he was once again looking for votes from the popular kids, only this time, the popular kids were Democrats. Not say it was a decisive underdog. This is Larry four G. He raised money from Connell in that election. I mean nobody called oh Lord. This is the beginning of Kennedy like career it's going to take him a long way in the office. Mcconnell was running for was called Jefferson County, judge executive sort of like being mayor. But for the county that surrounds, Louisville Kentucky back, then Kentucky was not the red state. We know today like a lot of the south it was dominated by Democrats. In fact, foggy told me Republicans in Jefferson County where pretty much just happy to have a candidate. I mean, that's what kind of shape we got in down here at one time. We, we couldn't find anybody wanted to run for these officers. So just like in school McConnell, had a plan and it might sound crazy knowing who he has now that the plan was. Don't be too partisan, according to the local newspaper, McConnell told Republican groups around this time that the way to win in Kentucky was quote, have a good strong candidate who isn't too strongly identified with the party and to quote, take a non-partisan personal appeal to the voters and by all accounts, Mitch McConnell, like much of the Republican party back then was more moderate than he is today in the sixties, he voted for LBJ. Not very Goldwater. And his idol was approved civil rights Senator named John Sherman Cooper, so play down the middle, but also like in high school he needed to get endorsements in his first race. He got a big one the newspaper that didn't usually endorse. Republicans the Louisville courier journal, it's time for a change the endorsement read, because the incumbent, quote appears in the past two years, to have gone stale on the job, unquote McConnell has quote run a well organized well-financed immaculately planned campaign. I thought that he was man of integrity. I think a lot of people here, did Keith Runyon was on the editor Oriel board at the time, instead of being out, glad handing and playing basketball and stuff like that he would show up in a business suit. He would give a speech, and he would give you the impression that he was in control. And I think that was a breath of fresh air, for us here, and it wasn't just the newspaper McConnell also maybe even more and probably got the labor unions on his side in the past the unions, had supported McConnell's opponent, the current county judge executive a democrat named Todd Holland back. But then Holland back allowed non union workers to do a big county construction job. A Republicans not gonna come Organon labor for score, but that's exactly what McConnell did says Randy McQueen back then was a member of the tobacco workers union one. Labour leader said McConnell came in found him on his bowling night. And Randy says he showed up at union events like an annual AFL CIO dinner for people who. Community service is just there. People got all dressed up. He was right there with us money. You, you, you thought he was Samuel gone pers-. Cousin. What McConnell wanted was the endorsement of this thing called the central labor council. It's basically about seventy or so people from unions in and around Louisville. Randy was on the council's executive board, and it was his job to interview McConnell course one questions that I was assigned ask you what your position on collective bargaining public employees. And he said out supported, I support wholeheartedly, not something, a Republican would typically support then or now. So the board voted to endorse McConnell and took the issue to the larger labor council for a final vote. The meeting was that the AFL CIO union hall in first Randy says, McConnell was not an easy sell labor council. Heads some older of guys on there that were pretty rough, and they were diehard Democrats. But then this one guy stood up, meaning as HALE an ironworker, he always wore short sleeved shirt. And he was he was continually pulled the sleeve down because by Steph or so damn big. His name was Johnny Bruce. And Johnny said, if the executive board says we should support McConnell. We should support McConnell. So the labor council voted to endorse McConnell actually told their members split your tickets vote democrat in every race except for this one back in those days, the endorsement of the greater Louisville central labor council delivered tens of thousands of votes. This is Kentucky journalist, Al cross. He's covered McConnell for decades. Do you think he was himself a union supporter? I doubt that was any real the pill belief the general lesson is that when you're climbing, the greasy pole you grab for anything. For him. It says that the priority is winning and McConnell did win. He beat Todd honed back for county judge executive by about eleven thousand votes. I let him sweet talk. We exam it. Idea. I reached out to Johnny Bruce the guy from the meeting with the biceps. And he told me that not long after the election, you realized he'd made a mistake, and supporting McConnell, it wasn't even six months after he got into office. We had a couple of important issues. We wanted to talk to about it and couldn't get them easy with. And when it came time to talk about collective bargaining. Here's Randi again. I remember very clearly like it was yesterday. He said, we all misunderstood me, I said, if the state would pass attractive, arguing Bill public employees, I would support it. What's your you would? I mean it becomes the law, you have to. That's that was his position. In other words, that thing, Randy says, McConnell promised he would do before the election is not going to happen a to which word I feel crapped on lied to. You know, I had done it with they won labor function. We said, same table Chad just like oh, buddy, you know, he was right there with. One political biography of McConnell says that pandering to the unions like this was quote, one of the few things in his public career to which he now openly admits being ashamed. Mcconnell told us quote, I was not pandering. I worked hard to get their support. So I could defeat an incumbent. They did not like, and he says the anecdote about the unions not being able to get a meeting is quote not accurate. There was something else. We heard from people who knew McConnell in those early years that we found pretty surprising, another issue, where his actual position wasn't clear, and that was the issue of abortion. I couldn't assure you that we thought he was pro choice. He was largely pro-choice early in his career the best elected official I've ever worked with on the pro choice issues. But what confused us is that in newspaper coverage at the time? Mcconnell never mentioned this belief, in fact, while running Jefferson County McConnell voted to support a Bill that would restrict abortion. And he publicly endorsed, the platform of Kentucky right to life. The one county Commissioner who voted against the Bill to restrict abortion with Sylvia Yankers, so I called her up and she said, she honestly didn't know what McConnell believed on abortion. Cookout feet says very little, he watches very carefully when he says, Mitch. Mitch was not in the habit of, you know, Kevin me on the shoulder and say, I want to tell you how I think about this. He walked see the tulips and did not step on any walking through tulips without stepping on any it was, maybe the best description. We heard of McConnell's time and Kentucky, what he believed wasn't the point he got the popular kids on his side. When they asked McConnell about this. He told us quote, I have never at any point publicly or privately then pro choice. I take the most in accompanying thing that it's important kill stand about Mitch is that his client, a different person than most of us in that the only thing that was important hand that common fly. I've to get to the Senate. That's coming up after the spike. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Google veteran. 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It was gonna take a whole new style of campaigning when that would come to define McConnell for the next thirty, plus years, did you think you could did you, did you think you could win? I mean I did not. I wasn't no outlet Nutley put it this way. I was not packing. My bags to go to Washington. This is Janelle Mon Grissom, McConnell's nineteen Eighty-four campaign manager. And at the time shadow work cut out for in August of the of nineteen eighty four. We were forty points down. I mean. Little hard to get lower than that. The guy McConnell was losing to buy, forty points was named Dee Huddleston. He was really well, like democrat and former sports radio announcer. He was also a two term incumbent and a two to one democratic state McConnell's team had tried going after Huddleston on the issues. The weekly press conference. They called dope on D to attack his record on things like spending taxes, but McConnell's pollster lands Tarrant says that just couldn't get within twenty sometimes even thirty points. That's when there was some panic in the campaign in, like, what are we going to do? You can see the vice was beginning to close in on us. We were all trying to find something that would change the dynamics of the race. And we're really not having a lot of luck almost every day. Mcconnell would tell Janet, we need to find something on Dee Huddleston. We need a silver bullet and for McConnell, that silver bullet was not gonna come in the form of a rousing speech or a grand policy proposal. Instead, it was going to be an attack. Mcconnell had a hunch. He knew Huddleston had missed some votes in the Senate. So McConnell asked you to compare those dates to Huddleston financial disclosures to see if he'd been earning money on the side getting paid for appearances on the same days. He was missing votes. And it's not like this was legal. It just wouldn't look good for Huddleston. Mitch just kept after me. He's like you just need to check we just need to check. So she stayed late one night just to get rich off my back. So janitor office at McConnell headquarters with these two big stacks of paper, the congressional record and Huddleston financial report. And she finds that Huddleston had given speeches in Puerto Rico on days. He missed votes. I'm like, oh my God. It's the silver bullet. I remember calling midge two o'clock in the morning going. You were right. We've got him with finally got him on something. So the next step was to bring in Roger Ailes. Yeah. That Roger Ailes the creator and longtime, head of Fox News. The guy who many people say, is responsible for how polarized the media is now and who we should say was forced out of his job at Fox News after multiple allegations of sexual harassment back in the eighties, ails was one of the country's top media strategists for conservatives. He made his name in part by making Richard Nixon more presentable on TV and his book. Mitch McConnell writes about a suggestion he made to Roger Ailes. I think we should do some positive TV as suggested at a meeting sure, we could do that. Aol said, do you wanna look nice? Or do you want to take out your opponent and win this thing? I want to do what it takes said. I wanna win this thing. So the morning after Janet found the dirt on Dee Huddleston. She took it to ales and McConnell and mitch's. Like, yeah. Yeah, you know how can we make this into a campaign commercial and Roger who was already portly that point in time and was smoking a pipe? And so were sitting in the in the office, and he's just billowing smoke and Roger just kind of leans back in his chair almost to the point. You know, when a big guy leans back in cheering, you think he's probably gonna end up on the floor. That's roger. And there he is in his puff of smoke and he's, he's like dogs. I seen dogs. I see hound dogs. The story goes that Ailes had recently seen ad for dog food for the dog is sort of running around all over the place sniffing out food, and he had this thought, what if instead of food, the dog was searching for Dee Huddleston. It only took a few days, and then this is what started showing up on TV's across Kentucky job was defined d Huddleston and get him back to work Huddleston was missing. Big boats on social security, the budget defense, even culture, donelson with skipping Mozart making an extra fifty thousand dollars giving speeches in the ad a man in a floppy hat and plant shirt is being dragged across America by pack of bloodhounds. They drag him through the woods, then across a beach. They drag him in front of the US capital looking for Dee Huddleston close. These speech in Puerto Rico, Huddleston very much. We can't. Maybe we ought to let them make speeches and switch to Mitch for Senator. Ben behind by forty points. Nobody thought Dee Huddleston was going to lose. That's Kentucky journalist out cross again. But he in Roger Ailes knew that one of the best tools you can use to bring somebody down to get the voters to laugh at them, and people started laughing at the host ails able to humanize people. And also to refocus attention on a candidate's opponents in a way that a dehumanizes them. And that's NPR media, correspondent, David Folkenflik McConnell cases, classic because you take somebody who's not particularly warm and conferred on him. The notion of a sense of humor. It gave McConnell humor by association. Some people criticized the ad called it misleading because as one magazine reported de Harrelson's attendance record was actually ninety four percent. But it didn't matter was getting attention across the country. It would go on to become a classic in the attack ad Jong, and at the time McConnell's pollster Lance Terrence saw the impact almost immediately. They're moving up in the polls by as much as double digits. It really did the job. And suddenly, we get excited that we've got a race owner hands now but the conventional wisdom was that Huddleston would still pull it out. Because McConnell didn't too much ground to make up. Good evening, and welcome to election Eighty-four tonight in our studio. We have two candidates for the office of United States. Senator democrat Walter Dee Huddleston and Republican. Mitch McConnell and they're one debate was the two spent a surprising amount of time, arguing about McConnell's negative campaigning. He started more than two years ago with his negative misleading and misrepresentation campaign against me and my record he has continued that right up until this very minute. Mcconnell was ready? I don't have any problems, the Huddleston. I like him. I think he's a nice fellow, what we've been talking about his record. And by the way, I think it's doubly amusing for him to still being complaining about a negative campaign. If you've had your television sets on the last couple of weeks all you've seen or outrageous negative campaigns against me. Well, I'm glad Mitch McConnell has brought this subject up again because it is indicative of the fallacious nature of his total campaign. Mitch McConnell was such a believer in going negative. Give he actually made a case for it during the debate when it's close when it's competitive, the two candidates are sort of like gladiators in the ring, and the public benefits from the two candidates getting into the ring mixing it up and bringing out observations about the other candidates record. And I think that's part of what makes the system work. In other words, get ready. This is how campaigns are going to be. National Public Radio. This is an election. Eighty four special report. I'm Linda Wertheimer. By election day McConnell was closer than ever in the polls, but he was still behind in the polls closed. The big story was that Ronald Reagan was clearly on his way to a landslide victory is calling eight of those states for the president those states, give the president of total of ninety one electoral votes. He would go onto win forty nine fifty states. This is exactly what McConnell's team had been hoping for a big turnout for Reagan would mean more votes from a Connell, and that became the second big story of the night, and in Kentucky upset, Mitch McConnell, a Republican beat the incumbent democrat, Walter, Huddleston, NPR's, Nina totenberg is following the Senate races. And has this report, they Huddleston loss is a major blow to democratic hopes for picking up seats in the Senate a rundown. Now, the other Senate races, we've called beginning with the great upset of the evening so far in Kentucky. Fifteen years than Kentucky, Republican senators, now, Mitch McConnell is made history Republicans, are calling the most uninfected victory in that country. He is described as an extremely aggressive candidate. Someone said to me, he comes up to you and says we support me and you say, well, d Huddleston is my best friend, and he says, well, we support me anyway. And then you samsar sorry Hilton is married to my sister. And then he says, what can you suggest someone else? That night, Mitch McConnell was the only Republican to take democrat seat in the Senate. But it felt bigger than that there's this sense that, oh, if this guy computer way, enough Democrats to vote for him in the south, perhaps, others could to perhaps. This is a sign of things to come loo- does this man, that the south is now, Republican part of the country the same way, the mountain west is generally written off, by the Democrats Linda, this may be the case ver- beginning to get real science tonight that realignments taking place. I'd say categorically from what we've gotten this early that the certainly the old solid. Democratic south is dead. Mitch McConnell say. Wonderful people were coming out here tonight. The long years. Party is back in Kentucky. We've been reporting the series there's this number. I keep coming back to thinking about over and over again, five thousand the nineteen Eighty-four election was a landslide victory for Ronald Reagan, but it wasn't from Connell, actually wound up being very, very close. Yuli won by about five thousand votes. That's about one vote per precinct in Kentucky. I believed it, then and believe it. Now, again McConnell's campaign manager Jannie moans Grissom, it's like he willed himself to get elected. He was singularly focused and no one worked harder than the candidate himself for Alec McGillis, who wrote the book McConnell, this very narrow win in nineteen Eighty-four is a real turning point for McConnell. And for the country prior to that he had been quite a moderate Republican in a lot of ways. But he saw the Republican party, shifting to the right with with Reagan, and now that he was representing the whole state was clear to him that he was going to have to shift quite a bit to the right. And he basically warned one of his friends that was coming down the pike literally warned him. Yes. That friend was Keith Runyon, who was part of the editorial board that endorsed McConnell for county judge executive and nineteen seventy seven after McConnell was sworn into the Senate Runyon was visiting Washington and the two had just had breakfast in the Senate dining room and as we were leaving, he said, Keith have to tell you. I don't think you all will ever endorse me for Senate, and I sort of quizzical looked at him because I thought, well, how on earth would he know that he said, I'm going to have to move so far to the right to be reelected in the state that you will not be able to endorse that Keith Runyon, who knew McConnell as. Moderate this was disappointing. He was a very much progressive Republican when he was in Jefferson County, and I don't think he was lying to us. I think what we saw was what we got. But we didn't understand was that his views were flexible enough to go along with current mood. Here's what McConnell told us about this exchange quote. I'm not surprised. He was disappointed because he somehow expected me to be something I never was a liberal still Al cross as this turns the right is key to understanding Mitch McConnell that into the painting, the direction things are going in the party and in the country and then going that way himself. It's why McConnell keeps on winning. He has adapted to what has gone on his party, and really that is, I think the ultimate secret of his success. From the beginning, there is nothing about Mitch McConnell. That made him an obvious candidate for the job. He now has he was never very charismatic has never been overwhelmingly popular, but found ways to overcome that plane down the middle of the road telling people, what they need to hear through a mastery of the media ads making him warmer and funnier than he normally is in public and attacking opponents. And Alec mcgilla says there is one other tactic, Mitch McConnell used over the years to win. Maybe his most important tactic, the main way he found to win was to raise tons of money to be the guy who had way more money than the other guy that he needed to make sure that you didn't stanch the flow of money to politics because that's how he was going to win. Thanks again to Kelly mcevers. Eric mental and our friends NPR's embedded. They've got more great episodes on Mitch McConnell's rise to power in the coming weeks. So go listen to the podcast. Thanks for listening. Support for this podcast and the following message come from frame bridge. 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What Motivates Mitch McConnell?

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What Motivates Mitch McConnell?

"The from New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is the daily. Today over the past decade, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell has emerged as a skilled legislative war obstructing President Obama's and enabling President Trump's. But what does McConnell himself, actually believe? It's Tuesday February. February twenty sixteen Mitch McConnell is on vacation. He's just arrived at the airport in Saint Thomas with his wife. Elaine Chao Senate is on recess Valentine's Day or thereabouts. They get off the plane, and he gets the news on his phone that judge Santon Scalia has died on the quail hunting trip in Texas. Though Chuck down, and I began to think about our interaction with each other over the years. You know, we were not fast round, but we would get better every once in a while. But. Mama turned to the practical situation taste Mitch McConnell has a tremendous amount of power in this situation. Charles homes is the political editor of the times magazine. He's the Senate majority leader in one of the things that the Senate majority leader controls as the calendar for appointments, so he can use his power as Senate majority leader if you want to keep President Obama from filling the seat if you're some me and most of my colleagues who would rather see America right of center left of center at the top of the list. If you wanna have a long-term impact would be on the court, and he knows, you know, the supreme court has been just astronomical important to conservatives for better part of generation, and he knows there's going to be a huge amount of attention on his decision here. Whether he's going to sort of let the normal process run its course, or whether he's going to do something more extreme hair that nobody in his position really his done. I was if the shoe is on the other foot. Would Democratic Senate confirm supreme court nominate of a Republican president in the middle of presidential election here. I knew the answer would be no. And so. Oxen out they say the next president should. And he makes this decision that he is going to keep President Obama from filling the seat not only through the end of his term. But also through the end of the election in the hopes that Republican will win and that he will have deprived the democrat Obama from having appointed a supreme court Justice, exactly. I think that's the most consequential thing I've ever done. I think you've you. This really is sort of the culminating act of his work as Senate majority leader. So McConnell sees this as his crowning moment. I wonder what that tells you about his motivations especially in his role as a Republican leader in this moment. I was really curious about this motivations to because there are a lot less apparent with McConnell than they are with a lot of other politicians, always important. Remember unless you win the election. You don't get to make a policy wonders like falls losers. Go do something else. And he plays cards, very close to his vest, and isn't really a demonstrative figure in any way, various things like and very unknowable. Yeah. Very unknowable of the session. Go. Oh. You given what they have to work with always just hopeful spoke to him for quite a long time. We had several interviews ran over the course of several hours and a lot of people around him and a lot of many opponents over the years. Also ahead sort of a very random question to begin with which came out of the conversation. I had where does the story for you? And I guess for him again. Well, he grew up in the rural south and moved to Louisville boy for his father's work. He was an only child and he grew up kind of by his own admission somewhat lonely kid at first and Louisville, and he was really into baseball as a kid and realized he wasn't ever going to be that great added and edit really kind of alarmingly young age, which is interests over to politics. I was fascinated by the sun from early age and hope that I might have an opportunity to serve your something. By the time. He was in high school, he had really sort of discovered an aptitude for politics and an interest in politics, and he ran these incredibly premeditated carefully orchestrated campaigns for student government, even he was basically, a pretty full-fledged politician. I think by the time he graduated from college and had decided this was the thing that he wanted to do at this point, what were McConnell's politics. It's interesting. I mean, they are kind of difficult untangle he'd notes early admirations for Goldwater, but he also conservative. Yeah. Very conservative. But at the same time, he was considered an ally by abortion rights activists in Louisville at the time and his first wife was a feminist scholar. Who later ran feminist archive at Smith, College and collaborated with Gloria Steinem. He had also spoken on behalf of civil rights in college. But when I was young. Was issue. Our generation. Shor-short dealing with America's original sense. So at the start it seems like he's a pretty moderate to even progressive Republican. I think you could classify him as a moderate Republican early in his career by the time. He himself was elected to the Senate in nineteen Eighty-four. The Republican party had changed dramatically at this point, the real gravitational center of the party shifted towards the conservative movement that had been powered by Reagan's candidacy, and you see McConnell's politics very much sort of changed to match times. He was someone who is very ambitious and wanted to get somewhere in the Republican party. And I think he understood then he had been very much from the sort of old moderate wing of the party in that party was no longer in a position of power in nineteen eighty five. So with that in mind, what does McConnell do once he settles into the Senate? So he spends his first couple years trying to find his footing as I think most freshmen senators do and it's around this time that handful of democratic senators have started really educating on campaign finance reform. These days the American people are going to wake up, and they're gonna ask themselves as been good for this country that the cost of running the United States Senate has gone from six hundred thousand dollars to three million dollars in ten years. All these questions are sort of in the air point during McConnell's first term and McConnell realizes that this is an opening for him. I think he understood it as an issue that people in his party and often Democrats also in congress felt like they had to be behind campaign finance reform, but didn't necessarily really want to be behind it that interesting to listen to some of the speeches on the other side that equate money with evil in politics seems to me that capitalistic society like ours money is not necessarily evil in McConnell, very shrewdly for first term Senator understood that standing up against this. I of campaign finance reform was going to win a lot of friends in his caucus in the Senate and at the same time it was going to get him beaten up. But in a way that wasn't gonna leave a lasting. Impression on his career. He would be lambasted by aditorial pages and voters if you ask them all said, they favored campaign finance reform. But it wasn't something that they were going to vote somebody out of office on. And so he rightly calculated that he could make himself the face of the opposition to campaign finance reform at the same time. He would be earning. The gratitude of many people in the Senate who really didn't wanna see these bills into law some Ikano thinks to himself. I could be the guy who says the thing everybody else wants to say, but his frayed to say, which is that I'm opposed to real change the campaign finance system, and in the process, I will win over Republican colleagues in a lasting way that we'll probably benefit me. Exactly. Did this plan work? Yes. A note. Welcome you to the evening's programming for about the next forty five minutes, or so we'll be discussing campaign financing which has been discussed on the floor of the US Senate the last few days. Our guest is Senator Mitch McConnell. Republican from Kentucky TV Fairmount Zik. Concern you that candidates for congress spent four hundred fifty million dollars running for office last year not particularly because being attacked in details. But he was also being profiled by newspapers you've been described as humorless. Well, have you heard that before once or twice there's bipartisanship because you've got Darth Vader on the Senate side, Mitch McConnell, he earned the nickname dearth baiter from a number of people, and he kind of leaned into this role as the sort of Bill on campaign finance reform would appear with a lightsaber occasionally in public. Look, I think her bother doesn't because I think I'll let me tell you why. Except the fact that you can't make everybody happy. And meanwhile, while he was doing this. He was learning a lot of these things about how the Senate worked and how small number of senators or even an individual Senator could really slow down the process by which bills moved through the Senate. So this dryest of senators Mitch McConnell, not at all. That charismatic is slowly figuring out have nipple late the Senate and win over his colleagues by doing something they won't which is to essentially take the heat take one for the team on a major campaign finance. Exactly, I think he was willing to play the villain. If that was what was required of the moment. And in this moment that was what was required to advance his party's agenda. In the long run campaign. Finance reform did pass, you know, there is this Bill. Mccain feingold. That was his landmark campaign finance Bill. The did pass into law in two thousand to a decade and a half after this battle began. But the reason the battle took a decade and a half was very much because of Mitch McConnell and along the way he really made himself into a name and his party. And it's only a few years after that that he becomes the Republican leader in the Senate new Republican leaders this morning leadership elections held on the hill. Mitch McConnell there. The new minority leader what does he decide to do with that power? Will he really kind of comes into his own when Obama becomes president? Because suddenly he's in a massively diminished Republican minority in the Senate facing a very popular incoming democratic president. But he does have a few of these lessons that he's learned from the campaign finance fight one is that if you keep your entire caucus together in a very disciplined way, you can accomplish a lot the other is that the very workings of the Senate offer all sorts of -tunities to slow things down. And he started to use those. Against the Obama agenda. Most prominently the Affordable Care ACT's we have already documented a record of Republicans attempting to sabotage the Affordable Care Act. Senate Republicans made it clear that they will continue to fight to kill this Bill. They would spend weeks negotiating language for some of these provisions in the Bill with the democratic committee chairs and then when it's time for an actual vote. The support would sort of magically melt away, and meanwhile, several weeks of negotiation is gone. The other thing he does during the Obama years as he starts holding up all these appointments of the president gets to make have to be confirmed by the Senate, so pretty soon. There are all these vacancies cropping up all over the Obama administration. There ambbassador ships that haven't been filled board appointments that haven't been filled, but especially judge vis Republican minority under Mitch McConnell has used the filibuster over and over again day in and day out time and time again to block a record number of of executive engine digital appointments or nearly presidents appoint these judges or visit matter, of course, but. That's the only becomes very to the point where it was affecting the functioning government. They turn the Senate executive calendar into a nomination obituary column for thirty other judicial nominees obstruction in the Senate is completely unprecedented. This McConnell seconds, turn in the public. I really is the sort of villainous figure the Democrats he becomes the sort of arch nemesis. Been involved in structure. There was a point to he's sort of super size. These sort of obstructive tendencies of the Senate and made it the thing that you do when you're in the minority. So Charlie it seems like McConnell's strategy is to paralyze the Senate under a democratic president until the country might elect a Republican president who would then enact legislation and nominate judges that would serve the Republican agenda and McConnell would sign off on exactly. And that's why 2016 becomes incredibly important. You know, the beginning he tries to really stay out of it. I think he favored Marco Rubio in the Republican primary, but he's looking at how he can hold onto the Senate and finally become majority leader under a Republican president. But then I early in the in the cycle Donald Trump from the scene. I am a fishery running. The president of the United States, and we are going to make our country. Great again. Donald Trump is winning some of these early primaries and his established himself as something more than a side showed this election. Eight PM in New Hampshire. Polls are now officially closed across the state and Fox News can now project that Donald Trump will win the Republican presidential primary, and it's against that backdrop. That's glee dies McConnell has to make his decision about what he's going to do. The presidential candidates turned their focus on discussing the supreme court on the campaign trail candidates on both sides have reframed the presidential election as a referendum on the high court's future. And the David Scalia dies that evening presidential debate. And there's half a dozen Republican candidates still competing for the presidential on. Get started candidates here the rules and at that debate. There's a question I the death of Justice Scalia and the vacancy that leaves on the supreme court the question of what to do with this comes up and only one candidate gives the sort of weirdly specific answer about who. He would appoint supreme court. We could have Diane Sykes. Or you could have a Bill Pryor. We have some fantastic people Donald Trump who names judges who are very popular among conservative legal active. I think it's up to Mitch McConnell and everybody else to stop it. It's called delay delay delay. This is sort of the moment where a lot of conservative think that maybe this is a guy that we can work with. Maybe there's a partnership to be had here with Donald Trump. So it sounds like because of his vacancy almost prim court that McConnell orchestrated Africa Leah's death. Trump now has an opportunity to give something very valuable to conservatives that they want and that they covered which is the judges that they want supreme court and lower down courts. And that that would become a huge factor in convincing those conservatives that Trump was there. I think that's right. This is a really crucial point in Trump's sort of convincing a lot of the people that matter on the right that he's going to be a conventional Republican president in ways that matter to them. I wonder how McConnell feels about the fact that this decision that was designed to help the Republican agenda. Broadly, ends up helping Donald Trump during the campaign someone who's not all that mainstream Republican. Yeah. Well, he was not an early adopter of Trump. He was not clearly enthusiastic fan of Trump. And he endorsed him sort of obligatory. Orally when he got to the point where he really had to. But once Trump the nominee, he became very much invested in this candidate with whom he had very little in common because this candidate was going to be the vessel by which this judicial appointment project that he'd been setting the stage for was going to be realized he didn't think Trump was going to win. The judges thing was sort of a long play that he was running. And the case the Trump did win a made him invested in Trump's victory, and that he wouldn't have been otherwise, but he was mostly concerned with minimizing drama that would blow back on his Senate candidates at that point. And you saw that with the access Hollywood tape. Breaking news this afternoon in the presidential race, the Washington Post released video from two thousand five where Donald Trump is boasting to Billy Bush access Hollywood. And he's speaking in very Lou terms about kissing groping Paul Ryan came out with a relatively forceful statement condemning the tape Paul Ryan saying he's sickened by what Donald Trump said on that access Hollywood video. And so now Paul Ryan Ryan's previous will not be join. Donald Trump at an event in Wisconsin tomorrow because Donald Trump is no longer invited. Did not make that decision that there and thought about what this really meant. And he called the strategist of his who has spoke with who said that McConnell asked him. You know, what have you seen in the polls in strategists said nothing yet and Connell decided to call some vulnerable. Republican Senate candidates who are in closely contested races. One of them was ROY blunt who I spoke with the Missouri Republican who said McConnell, call them and basically asked him if he was seeing a lot of blowback the access Hollywood tape among rally-goers at his campaign events, and once basically, not really the crowds were as big and pro-trump is it everybody, and so McConnell had a few conversations like this in the end, he decided to play out his own statement, denouncing what trumpet said, but also really leaving it up to all the Republican Senate candidates to sort of figure out what they wanted to do about this. So he focus groups and poll tests and anecdote gathers his way through what everyone else is having extreme. Only visceral response to he's thinking about strategizing for the party. When everybody else is genuinely shocked that the president is talking about grabbing women assaulting salting women yen. I think this is very McConnell. He saw this is a centrally political question, whatever he may have thought about Trump, and whatever he thought about Trump's statements where his mind went very quickly was what were the various scenarios stemming out from this incident. And which of the scenarios would be the most politically damaging for the Republicans in the Senate, and that feels really telling about the kind of core moral, compass and motivations of Mitch McConnell. I think it is. I think in the way that he discusses this in the way this came up when we talked about any number of these sort of moments that he'd been at where he was moral real moral crossroads that he prides himself on being an extremely practical politician his view of the Senate, and this of spreads out into his view of politics. I think is that really the worst thing that you. Can do commit futile gestures? You know, setup of mission that can't cost would be accomplished genital in the world. Point. But not I'm into business of trying to choose much as I can for our team. Right of center, which means getting outcome. Not just calling attention or so, but try to actually get out, and it's sort of the way that he talks whenever you bring up whether it's access Hollywood. Choose not to engage in don't think it's much too. Whether it's Russian election meddling. I don't have to say about that whole bus to go. Whether it's action on the part of the Senate to protect the Mueller investigation. I don't have time for that kind of feudal, Justin. But typically when there's no threat the place that McConnell goes to is basically, it's not my job. And in the cases, where he feels like they're really are lines being crossed sort of his mode is too often make pretty concise statement of denunciation and then move on very quickly. I think is blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it. And you don't have any doubt about it. Either. Charlottesville was a great example of that. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides McConnell, put that a very forceful statement today. Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell issued a statement saying we can have no tolerance for an ideology of racial hatred. There are no good Neo Nazis stopped short statement of naming Trump himself. I asked him about that you didn't need him. In the statement. What was your thinking? Not name. The way I express myself. That's all. And what does that mean? I don't know if it means anything, I think he's sort of marking off the limits of what he feels like his job, really. And as we were talking about it. He kind of pivots to talking about the Republican party's standing with black voters more, generally, if you're talking about the kind of the electoral. We already do without American voters. You know, it's been a real weak spot for the party for quite a long time. But this isn't really a new thing which to me was an interesting turn because it sort of the lens that he I think instinctively or conveniently sees so much of this through the lens of politics. And he does not seem to want gravel with them. It's fascinating that his mind goes so directly to the electoral consequences of any kind of statement on something as consequential Charlottesville rather than a chance to assert moral authority for the greater good of the country. Exactly. Yeah. Somebody who's not an elected Republican official looks at some of the things that have been unleashed in. The Trump base says that he doesn't sixteen election is a real concern in terms of the broader social fabric of the United States. And really looks at alarm at the fact that this is sort of tolerated to some degree by one of the major political parties, right because what Mitch McConnell clearly views futile gestures are what lots of other people would call moral leadership. But he clearly doesn't from your telling from what he said you see that as his role as majority leader. The senate. I think that's right. I think he sees certain bright lines that he needs to police beyond that. I think he is really of the view that the best thing for him to do is keep his head down. And just kind of keep running the program. There's a history of politicians who are essentially fancy themselves as pragmatists making these deals these sort of devil's bargains to get their agenda passed and I asked him about one of the more extreme comparisons. That had been made to him by a holocaust historian who had compared him to Paul. Von hindenburg. The president of the Weimar Republic and Germany who brought Hitler to power unwittingly as translator as the sort of bulwark to shore up his conservative coalition government. And I'm just what you what you make. To expect Republican elected officials not to try to achieve as much as they possibly can that they've always been four out of pique over presidential behavior is not he got so critics like that expect us all to just join them in a huff. And do often. Really? That was his response to you asking whether he was someone akin to alarm our Republic later who ushered in the area of Hillary. Exactly. I mean, that's that's kind of a stunning response. It was a sunny response. I thought because it really kind of confirmed the criticism of him in a way that the criticism that can be leveled against these politicians who fancy themselves the grownups in the room is that they are myopic, and they don't see the sort of bigger picture consequences of the shorter term bargains that they're striking and he was essentially copping to having struck one of those bargains. I mean, he was saying that of course, we're not standing on principle against Trump. Look at all the stuff that we need to get done. I mean, he sees his agendas something crucial to the country to pursue. And he's willing to put up with a lot to do that. And he's sort of included Trump's behavior in this fear of thing that he's willing to put up with the thing. Now, he's in a position where his party is the party of Trump right now, you're talking about somebody who got into the Republican party at a time when it was helping pass the Civil Rights Act. And he's now finally ended to this position of real thority in the party at a time. When you have it's president out there, you know, defending people at a white supremacist rally. But I think if people are waiting for Mitch McConnell's take a real stand against Trump. It's going to be a very long, wait. You know, the end of the day. He is really a party guy. Is this the Republican party that he wanted to have at this point in his career? I don't think it probably is. But it's still his party, and he's going to stand with it. And he's going to do it. He has to do to see it through this presidency. Mcconnell's ultimate goal is to implement this Republican agenda for this party. He loves above all other things has he been effective at that. I think he's been extremely affected. So we now have a new US supreme court Justice. Neal gorsuch. He's forty nine years old. He's very likely to be on the supreme court for several decades to supreme court justices Democrats view this as a heist of the century that President Obama was denied the opportunity to nominate a judge for nearly a year one of which they would not have had with that McConnell, heist of the century. Wow. The nomination of bread 'em cavenaugh of Maryland to be an associate Justice of the supreme court of the United States is confirmed. Another day another judicial nominee getting Senate approval. They have all these other judicial appointments as will be the eleventh and twelve court of appeals nominees that we will have confirmed this year a modern day record winner as Mitch McConnell last night. He got Senate Democrats to capitulate and give him fifteen more judges his now put two supreme court justices and eighty four federal circuit and district court judges the most in history, total of eighty five federal judges have already been appointed since the president's taking office and twenty nineteen is expected to bring even more sweeping tax Bill passed nearly one and a half trillion dollar Bill is viewed as a major victory for President Trump and is the largest tax overhaul in more than three decades. This has been a very good two years for the Republican party is she's been the most to yours. Third years. I've been here. But the question from Connell is really at what cost? Charlie. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. We'll be right back. 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Mitch McConnell and the Senate Give Trump the Shaft

Eric Erb Live

12:53 min | 5 months ago

Mitch McConnell and the Senate Give Trump the Shaft

"If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. it's free. There are certain creation tools that allow you to record. An edit. your podcasts right. From your phone or your computer anchor. Whoa distribute your podcasts for you so it can be heard on spotify apple podcast and many many many more. You can make money from your podcast. There's no minimal list listenership it's everything you need to make a podcast on one place. Download the anchor app today. That's anchor dot. Fm anchor dot fm. It's free to get started. This is eric live in. Find me online at erica. Live dot com and of course Right here on anchor. That's anchored out. Fm anchored out fm ford slash. Erica live and also on twitter. Twitter dot com for slash. The eric herb. Show like share. Subscribe if you like this podcast folks. Your donations are always welcome. Okay let's get into it As you know the news today breaking news That the electors from all the state january six twenty twenty one are to be counted and congress by the vice president. Who presides as president of the senate mike pence. Well what happened a little earlier. A few hours earlier is Patriots trump supporters in patriots have stormed the door and breach the capital Inside inside hall of the capitol. Why this is going on and it looks like it went from peaceful protest to now. They're storming the capital There's chaos pandemonium everywhere folks. this doesn't look good. this doesn't look good at all. okay Just as i predicted Mitch mcconnell and the senate and then of course the republican congress they are going against president trump and seventy two million plus voters. They are and just as i said before on other podcasts. Folks that this prearrange. Nancy pelosi Mitch mcconnell have agreed the mine. The my majority leader in the senate. The house speaker. Nancy pelosi mitch. Mcconnell in the senate have already agreed and have already worked out the details. How to quell and how to put down the actual Insurrection if you will and that's a strong but even put that down put that down To put the people down to put the members that are protesting this right. Now these fraudulent votes the this act of treason. This is treason. I knew this was going to happen. I knew that everybody nobody on the democrat side as in support. This and i knew that people will start the bail on trump. I just didn't know exactly. How many but. I knew the majority Leader in the senate. Mr mcconnell isn't worth a shit folks. he's a piece of crap. There is no loyalty. I know that lots of people their votes basically aren't being counted. And and and the congress isn't gonna i if if you think congress is going to help you you're out of your fucking mind disproves everything i've been saying folks. I'm four for four. I'm not keeping numbers. But i'm telling you i'm four for four right now making predictions. This is exactly how. I thought that it would play out. This is exactly going down. Just as i thought that congress won't support to president trump. They have no they. Don't wanna rock the boat. These people here these people in congress these evil evil people. It's been here for years and years and years Mcconnell pelosi chuck schumer and the the other senator Senate minority leader. These people have been in swamp for years and years and years. They're not going to let somebody like president. Trump take their power. Take that away and squash. That i've been trying to tell people this and tell people this and they say all air. Eric you need to fuck off and go. Screw yourself and blah blah blah blah blah. and all. This stuff okay okay. There is no critical thinking here. This was all prearranged as i. Keep saying it's pre-arranged folks. The details were worked out. It's just knew the patriot. You the trump supporter you. The the the good patriot didn't know the details. All your told is just to go to washington protest. That's all you're told you don't know anything you don't know the inner workings of what's going on. I was able to figure this out through my sources and keep digging that. This is what's going on after after digging for a little. While a couple of days ago. I discovered that that they had a pelosi and mcconnell they worked all this stuff out doesn't matter what kinds of chaos is going on. It doesn't matter. They're still going to count the electoral votes and mike pence. The vice president's going to certify down and guess what we're we will have on the twentieth of january new president at president's going to be joe biden and kamala harris is the vice president. This should have been stopped is soon as it was caught instantly but nobody did a damn thing the now we wait till it comes to congress. We should all know folks. We can't be that fucking is the american people are we have we become that fucking convoluted and dumb. We let these senators representatives. We let those people decide for. We've the people decide who were going to vote for and who is legitimate. Who is not legitimate. Now that goes back on the states but right now there's fraud in progress right now. Folks brought his actively in progress in. We've stormed the capital. We've even got into the interior of the capitol right now and and we've of congress and there's there's all kinds of chaos going on right now right now in washington lots of fights lots of battles with the The capitol hill police. I believe the dc police have been called in as well to back up the capitol police. There's all kinds of shit going on right now folks but in the end we should've stopped it earlier. We didn't. There's a lot of things that you can say. You should've could've would've but we ended up. We didn't do it this election as being stolen from president trump but because the way congresses and layers of deep state. They're very very deep. They go extremely going to be damned thing that we can do about this. We can parade and we can storm and some people might actually get shot or get killed up during the process because they're not thinking with their head they're thinking with their gun and i'm a gun owner as well okay. I don't have a problem before you start coming at me with the nra bullshit. I'm gun owner as well. But you gotta think up here before you act up here and right now it just. It didn't play out. Good is this is playing out exactly as i've been predicted for a long time. And they're not gonna do anything they'll have their to our to our meeting The senate on one side and the house on the other side and in that time. They'll have their senate debate among the senators and house of representatives though debate within the house. And that's it. They're not going to agree or they're going to agree not to take and not to Listen to the people that want to contest the election because this is all rigged folks that we we know this. Congress is fucking rigged. These people are bought and paid for by lobbyists. Mitch mcconnell is the biggest fucking asshole or one of the biggest assholes on the republican side. Chuck schumer nancy pelosi on the democratic side. They're on the take. Nancy pelosi's worth two hundred. I think in ten million dollars Mcconnell's worth like three or four hundred million dollars. I mean it just goes on and on and on a you out of your fucking mind you think these people represent the will of the people. They absolutely positively. Don't they never will until they're removed but obviously storm in the building and going in there and getting shot. And they they they. They had already prepared. A lot of people don't know the national guard was already activated and ready to go Even days and weeks before this was going to take place there the the mayor there in washington. Dc they already asked for the national guard. They're already ready so it's not a matter of fighting we are fighting and it doesn't matter you can fight and if it feels good than okay fight but this isn't working we've have to vote these fucking people out folks and that's where we went wrong loose. There's too many the swamps to deep trump's not gonna be able to finish draining the swamp. That's the fact of the matter. Joe biden will be our next president unfortunately kamala harris the vice president and this go down history as one of the greatest greatest steals of an election ever known and us modern history. This will go down. And i'm sorry that led some of you folks down you patriots. I'm not. I'm not giving up but i know i know what happens in the end. I i already see the end game. You do everything you want other than you can you. Can you can protest. You can storm the capitol building. Do everything doesn't matter unless you actually get in these people's heads and get these people out of office folks. You don't understand that as long as the people were there who cares. you know. i mean it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't matter it doesn't matter because you didn't it just all fall in vain you don't actually get rid of the people and i'm not talking by force or violence. I'm talking about bhai. Voting these people in these senators and these congressmen voting them. The fuck out of office vote amount out now bottom out in two thousand twenty twenty to vote them the fuck out because they absurd the will of the people and that's all i can say this is. This is a very sad day and election history as very very sad day folks. This will go down in american history as the greatest steel. That ever happened. This is erica from erica. Blyth you can find me online at erica dot com. Also right here on anchor anchor anchor dot. Fm forward slash. Eric live like share. Subscribe if you like this podcast in your donations. Folks are always welcome. Please donate help me. Stay on the air. God bless and stay safe.

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Mitch McConnell, the Most Dangerous Politician in America

Politics and More Podcast

19:45 min | 1 year ago

Mitch McConnell, the Most Dangerous Politician in America

"This is the political scene a weekly conversation with New Yorker Writers and guests about politics. It's Thursday April sixteenth. I'm dorothy weakened in the better of the New Yorker Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell is up for reelection in November Kentucky voters. I sent him to the Senate in Nineteen eighty-four four but he wasn't a well known figure until the Obama Administration when he made his name by posing virtually all initiatives from the White House and his Democratic colleagues. During the trump years he has consistently refused to use the powers of the Senate to act as a check on the president. Instead McConnell has become trump's most powerful facilitator propping up an administration he privately scorns and ensuring the president a succession of legislative and judicial victories in the past month as the corona virus pandemic became a national emergency. Mcconnell accused Congressional Democrats of performance of outrage for demanding. More money in the stimulus. Bill for virus. Relief in McConnell's recent election campaign. He casts himself as the country's great conciliator. Mitch McConnell The passage of the biggest economic rescue package in history. Urgent help for people who needed most American families? Small business jobs extended unemployment benefits and most of all hospitals and our healthcare heroes. One leader brought our divided country. Together in a unanimous. Bipartisan vote. Mitch. Mcconnell Jane Mayer New Yorker Staff Writer joins me to discuss. The man described as the most dangerous politician in America and the cost of his dog had support for trump chain. Welcome back. Thanks having me. I wanted to talk to you about your profile of McConnell in this week's New Yorker because it really elucidates not only his own remarkable career trajectory but also what has become of the Republican Party. So in your piece Stuart Stevens. A longtime Republican political consultant told you that McConnell and other party leaders to serve a large share of the blame for the cove at Nineteen Crisis. Because they've helped trump dismantle the country's safety net and have consistently ignored expert advice of all kinds. Stephen says that the parties accommodation of trump is an utter disaster over the long term. And you argue in the piece. That trump couldn't have succeeded without McConnell. Could you tell us a little bit about how that relationship works? Yeah and and I think that one of the things that was interesting to me was how the symbiotic relationship between. Mcconnell and trump is really a a picture of the Republican Party right now which is described to me in the piece by two political scientists Jacob Packer in Polk Pearson as something that they call plutocratic populism and basically what you have is. The Republican Party has come down to a kind of a Faustian bargain Between the rich donors Whose business interests are served by the Republican Party. They are the plutocrats whose agenda is not popular enough in this country at this point to win by themselves. They need to somehow broaden their base and so the way they've done it in the way. The Republican Party has done it is by creating a coalition with populists the visitor of trump type and many people have sort of looked at this past as these two factions as enemies of each other. You've got global capitalists. And you got nationalist anti-immigrant Through white working class or middle class people but in fact they've knit their interest together because neither of them has enough votes to win on their own. So that's what you see with. Mcconnell and trump McConnell really more than almost any politician I can think of in America has represented de interests of big business and and the tremendous wealth in America. The big donors in the Republican Party and trump At least rhetorically has claimed to be. Were you know could represent the interests of sort of people who are down and out and forgotten and They need each other basically. So there were indications early on that McConnell might take a different route to power and said in nineteen seventy-three during Watergate. He wrote an OP. Ed about the corrupting influence of money in politics. Which as you note is hardly the position he takes now. I mean it's an out of body experience to read the op-ed you would think it was written by common cause or something like that. I mean it's all about the corrupting influence of big money and calls it a cancer. In American politics. I mean to me. What's interesting about McConnell that back then and and now when you watch his dance with trump is he's very smart man and you. I think the least from my reporting an awful lot of people who know him seem to be saying he knows better. He knows that politics is corrupted by huge money but yet he spent his entire career enabling it on he knows that trump is not fit to handle a crisis like the corona virus pandemic yet he has spent the last nearly four years enabling trump What's he doing this steams to be from what everybody told me? Finally at the end of the day is just wanting power. I was also struck by seeing that you describe a classroom. It was a class. He was teaching in the nineteen seventies at the University of Louisville. And one day he wrote on the blackboard the three necessary elements for success in politics. Money money money right so early on. I mean he wrote this piece about the cancer. That money is At a time when he was thinking running for office and Nixon was in disgrace so basically what he was trying to do with separate his image from Nixon's insane unclean easterly but then as soon as he really gets going in politics he's recognized that money money money as he puts on. That blackboard is what it takes to win. And interestingly what some of the people I've interviewed Talked about McConnell. Says he's absolutely right in his case that he needs the money edge to win because he is not charismatic. He's not idealistic. He's not painting vision of the Better World. He just needs to slay his opponent with smear campaigns that cost a lot of money. And that's what he's pretty much done all these years. And he's been incredibly good at aligning himself with the right wing. Money McShane it very carefully. Cultivating connections to the Coke Brothers Blackstone that Voss family Roger Ailes it goes on and on you written about these big donors for years. What makes supporting McConnell so appealing to them? What I mean he is. He delivers for them. Exactly what they want one of the people. I didn't put this quote the story but one of the people I interviewed his McConnell a. Longtime said you know. It's really not that hard to get ahead. The way he has all he had to do was say to the richest people in the country. I'll do what you want you know. He's really enabled. The capture of Congress by big money and by corporate interests and aligned to the Republican Party with those interests so that includes blocking campaign finance reform climate change legislation gun control and effort to curb economic inequality or approve healthcare. Right and he takes money from all those industries and and he takes the money and then kills the legislation. That might move the ball forward. I mean there's wonderful quote. I am indebted to Robert Carro who I interviewed for this story. Who is of course? Just the nobody's better biographer than he is of Lyndon Johnson and and I asked him well because both McConnell and Johnson have been described as masters of the Senate. So I was asking. Do you see McConnell is being like Johnson instead well yes to a certain way but Lyndon Johnson at his best used the Senate rules to promote social justice as he put it. Mitch McConnell has used those rules to block it. And there's no better example of that than how McConnell blocked Obama's nomination of Garland to the Supreme Court and and what's more is actually having blocked Merrick Garland on the argument that it would the opening and the Supreme Court when Scalia died was during an election year even though it was almost a full year out after making that argument while Obama was president. He is now saying that if there is an opening on the court Mitch. Mcconnell is now telling donors that he will fill that seat right up to the bitter end and he's literally telling donors that this could be our October surprise. Norman Ornstein at the American Enterprise Institute described McConnell as you know so dangerous in destroying the fundamentals of our democracy. And he told you there. Isn't anybody remotely close. What he's saying is that he has been handmaiden to trump who's empowered trump and he has at the same time he has completely weakened the Senate and not played the role that the Senate in the constitution was designed to play which is a check on the executive branch. And by doing that he did. He has really broken or deeply damaged our democracy. I also found his family life. Fascinating is learning that his first wife Cheryl Redman worked with Gloria Steinem on a feminist oral history project and that his youngest daughter Porter is the campaign director for take on Wall Street which works against the predatory economic powers. They put it of banks and billionaires. It's yes and he has three daughters and all three of them seem to be not supporters of McConnell's politics infect porter McConnell also Tweeted out support for Christine Blasi Ford and against Red Cavanaugh during the cabinet nomination fight where her father was leading the fight on behalf of his cabinet. So you can see. There's a big rift within that family. And it's not unlike a rift it's developed among other backers early backers of McConnell Some of the people who've respected him even admired him in the past including a biographer of his named John David Dyke. He has broken with McConnell to for having no principles but his own saving his own skin. There is a level of disgust. That McConnell has gone along with trump. They've again sense among many. Who Know Him that he knows better. And he's doing it simply for crass political reasons to protect his reelection in Kentucky where trump is more popular than he is. Some of the most startling reporting your piece to me is about the role that McConnell play during the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign when intelligence began to emerge about Russian interference. What what happened there well this was astounding to me to which was in. August twenty sixteen the CIA director. John Brennan Pretty early on in August came to the conclusion that that the Russians were trying to Hijacker in interrupt the US presidential election and He was trying to reach Mitch. Mcconnell to tell him about this and For weeks and weeks he was unable to get a hold of the Senate majority leader. Who was the Senate was in recess and Mitch? Mcconnell just simply did not make himself available until after Labor Day so finally what happens is after Labor Day. Everybody's back from two to Congress and Obama holds an urgent tiny meeting of just the top. Four congressional leaders no staff in his Oval Office saying I need the four view to put out a letter. I wanted to be bipartisan. So people understand. This isn't a partisan political gambit. This is a real threat and we need to notify all of the state and local election officials in this country that the Russians are trying to interfere in our election. And what happens after that? Three of the four of the congressional leaders said Fine. But one of them Mitch. Mcconnell according to the account I got from Dennis. Mcdonough the chief of staff at the time Mitch. Mcconnell said nothing there was a back and forth and back and forth and back and forth over the wording of that letter and each time. The other three tried to make some kinds of changes in version. It Mitch McConnell had written. He refused any edits and instead he stuck to a template that was so hard for anyone understand and made no reference to any kind of foreign interference That's the letter that finally went out and as a result many people in the country almost everybody except the few people in in the intelligence community had no idea that the Russians were trying to target all fifty states elections and they never knew that in two months and months after the election so in effect helped get trump elected. That's what a lot of people thinking. I guess that's why he's gotten the nickname Moscow Mitch which he absolutely hates it stuck to him in Kentucky where a lot of people have been wearing these these hats that say neophytes Mitch. So this gets back to what you were saying earlier about. How unpopular McConnell is in Kentucky? And I wonder whether a good bit of that also has to do with The way he's handled the coal and a stray and that unbelievable Massey's slurry pond disaster that you discussed at some length. He is seen in state as the You know representing the big interests in state and so that would be you know in days past anyway the coal barons. He's not a warm person. He's not a back slapper. He's not someone who who people really christly like that much. I think they you know his strength in the eyes of Kentucky voters is that because he's in the leadership he's in a position of power to help them. There's frustration that he hasn't done more for the state and at given the power that he's got and so you can see in places like Appalachia that where the for instance the thing you're talking about. There was a huge environmental disaster and it ruined the water system in Martin County and some other areas in the Appalachian part of Kentucky. And they still it. That was twenty years ago. They still there parts of Kentucky where the people don't have reliable running and drinking water. It's an end. So some people in those areas do blame McConnell but you know what was interesting was many other people. I interviewed there. They still love trump and to the extent that they see that McConnell backs up trump though back him but he is being challenged and the election by amy McGrath who said former Marine fighter pilot and a moderate Democrat and she has raised even more money than he has. Isn't that incredible I mean at. Is this listen? This rise in Kentucky is going to be one of the the highest spending races anybody's ever seen. It's it's amazing Mitch. Mcconnell has raised more money by this point than he ever has before. It's like over twenty five million dollars and that his campaign proudly put out the statement recently saying so and within twenty four hours aiming McGrath's campaign put out a statement saying she had talked him whereas her money coming from money's coming from all over the country I think there's such a feeling that Mitch McConnell is malignant influence in American politics. Least knee is Democrats. I don't know how she will do. I mean I I this piece is really about who he is and I did. Interview her for it. And you know she. Strides news kind of An earnest person who seems some Very Gung Ho. She's I said to her. You know. Mitch McConnell is famous for being sure smearing. His opponents in his motto is when they throw pebble. We respond with the boulder so sent to her. You Know Wow. Why did you want to take this on you know? It's doesn't sound like a pleasant experience and she said I'm a marine. I don't want from fight so it'll be interesting to watch this thing. It's it it really will be this week. Abam endorse Joe Biden for president. How do you think Obama's campaigning for his former vice president will affect McConnell's political strategy? He loathed Obama as much as trump does well in the last Senate Campaign That McConnell ran in two thousand fourteen e basically turned his opponent Who Was Alison London? Grimes into Obama. Obama was really unpopular in Kentucky. And so he tied his opponent to a bummer. I I don't know he'll be to do that with Biden. He may try. I think Biden of all the candidates You know may have a better chance in Kentucky than almost any of the other democratic possibilities. I think this report. They're Kinda non elite non snobby kind of pro working class field to Biden. That is comfortable to a lot of Kentucky Voters I. I'd be curious to see whether he can be smeared by his association with Obama. I certainly I wouldn't put it past Mitch McConnell to try. Thanks so much and thanks for having me on Jane. Mayer is the New Yorkers chief Washington correspondent and the author of dark money the hidden history of the billionaires behind the rise of the radical right. This has been the political scene. You can subscribe to this another New Yorker podcast by searching for the New Yorker and your podcast APP and find more political analysis and commentary on New Yorker Dot Com. Feel free to rate and review US on Apple podcasts. Our Damascus by Russell. Gillespie this program was produced by Alex Barron and Kylie Warner For New Yorker Dot Com. I'm Dorothy Wickham did.

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Mitch McConnell announces how the Senate trial will proceed

All In with Chris Hayes

45:47 min | 1 year ago

Mitch McConnell announces how the Senate trial will proceed

"Tonight on all end. The only remedy is the conviction and removal from office president. Donald trump the president's attorneys visit visit the scene of the trial. Everything I do during this. I'm coordinating with the White House. Counsel Mitch McConnell Announces How the Senate trial will proceed. There will be no difference between in the president's physician and our position tonight the McConnell Resolution for the trial Donald trump the president's new outlandish defense. And what all this. This means for witnesses plus too. You Know Congressman Devin. Nunes say we met several times at the trump hotel. Just how involved was Devon newness in the Ukraine scheme standup Devon. Everybody knows and as citizens across the country marched the Martin Luther King Junior holiday. Just what was happening in Richmond Virginia Genius Today on all ends Darts right now. Good evening from New York. I'm Chris as the third impeachment trial in the history of the nation to possibly remove. The president of the United States from office is about to begin in late today. Republicans Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell released the highly anticipated resolution regarding how the trial of Donald Trump will proceed in the senate and it's clear that he wants to move very fast while also delay any consideration of those pesky witnesses or testimony until after opening arguments at one. PM Eastern time. Tomorrow McConnell will formally introduce the organizing resolution. That's what it's called which Chuck Schumer is already calling cover up and quote nothing. Short of a national national disgrace the document that lays out the rules for the start of the trial will be taken up tomorrow. And after the introduction of the resolution there will be up to two hours of debate bait and then most likely Democrats led by Schumer will introduce an amendment calling for witness testimony and document production after that we will have more debate and vote and then there's a good chance of more amendments and possibly the Senate moving into closed session very likely going to be a very long an interesting day now McConnell's organizing resolutions just four pages long allows each side twenty four hours to present their opening arguments. That's precedent that was procedure. Bill Clinton's impeachment trial. But this time there is a a quite a remarkable twist. McConnell is mandating that each side only gets two days per side to make their case so today's to make twenty four hours worth of arguments. You can do the math each time time. So it uses all their time. They'd be looking at four straight marathon twelve hour days of opening arguments starting Wednesday and lasting through Saturday. The man at the center of this trial the person whose fate is in the hands of the Senate. The President United States when he left the country this afternoon the eve of his trial trump headed to the world economic forum in Davos awesome invent that he skipped last time around during the shutdown the capital today trump was presented represented by his defense team who went to the Senate for a walk through the trial. One one hundred seventy one page briefly this morning they also make clear. They want the trial over very quickly. Trump's legal team calling on the Senate to quote swiftly and roundly condemned the house the articles of impeachment now this brief reply belief that the the president's lawyers put together it's a pretty breathtaking document as all legal documents from the White House had been throughout this entire impeachment saga the degree of opposition and obstruction that the White House and its lawyers have deployed in the face of impeachment. Has It's been. Let's be really clear here. Totally President Andrew. Johnson didn't do it this way. Richard Nixon didn't do this way Bill. Clinton didn't do it this way. This is a whole new level as the house said in its impeachment articles in the history of the republic. No president has ever ordered the complete defiance of an impeachment inquiry or sought to obstruct and impede so comprehensively the ability of the House of Representatives to investigate high crimes and misdemeanors this new document from the president's lawyers is in keeping with that theme. The trump team offering a very trumpian claim. Name that quote. The president did absolutely nothing wrong. They also suggest that it doesn't matter if trump did exactly what the house said. He did because they claim neither article impeachment is the violation of the law that is not the standard for impeachment but even if it were government accountability office down just last week. The administration deed in fact violate the law by withholding holding that Ukrainian aid. Perhaps the most troubling argument that the president's Leers make is the unnerving suggestion that convicting the president. which will be the first time in American history and requires sixty seven votes? But if that were to happen that that would be unconstitutional because they argue. The articles of impeachment are just too broad quote with at least four independent bases alleged for abuse use of power article one invites conviction if as few as eight hundred senators agree that anyone alleged act occurred and constitute an abuse of power. Line of argument suggests yes that in the unlikely event Senate votes to impeach remove the President White House would simply not accepted legitimacy they have done for the duration of these proceedings. Whatever happens happens this week? We are on the cusp of stain. Public airing the president's alleged crimes. Something country has only seen one century and remarkably a new poll finds. Is it a slim majority of the nation's fifty one percent once trump removed. They want him convicted and removed and barred from ever holding office ever again. I'm joined now by Senator Chris Van Holland. WHO's a Democrat of Maryland? I senator your reaction to the four-page organizing resolution. Mitch McConnell's office has distributed attributed today. Well Chris good to be with you. And when Mitch McConnell Senator McConnell said he was going to work in lockstep with the president We now have the proof in this resolution And that's why you've seen the president's lawyers tweeting their approval of this resolution because it tries to speed this through in the dead of night and changes the rules relative to the Clinton Provision in dramatic matic ways. We all heard Senator McConnell over and over tell the country that he was going to follow the Clinton model while he doesn't follow that with respect to the time allocations in in terms of how you spread it out but there's also a very interesting provision in here that says all the evidence that's already been collected by the House of Representatives. Jobs does not enter into evidence in the trial from the beginning it would go in at the end and only then by motion which means only by I a majority vote which is outrageous changed. From what the Clinton Trial The proceedings were an IT means two things possibly Roy but all of them are troubling. Well here's it's tell me what you think. The two things are because my I'm confused. Seems something fundamentally backwards here which is going to start the opening arguments and leave the question of what the evidence is unresolved until after but you can only make arguments based on what the evidence is. It seems like you so in a trial they resolve that I usually for precisely the reason that you gotta figure out whatever you're using to make your arguments. Well that's exactly at the right. They've got it backwards so here to the concerns. Let's say the house managers WanNa show videotapes of the sworn depositions of Dr Driffield. A Hill or ambassador Taylor is are the Republicans now going to object on the grounds that that hasn't been entered into evidence. And then if you look at the flip side it what it means is the president's lawyer presence lawyers are not bound in any way by the facts in the record they can make up their own they can make make up their own stuff. They can misrepresent the facts because they don't have to abide by what was in the record and that at the end of the day they can vote the whole the the Senate could theoretically vote according to this to say. Well we're not ever going to enter in to evidence all of the important findings by the House Representative so when Mitch. McConnell told the country that he was gonNA follow them the Clinton model he totally misrepresented the facts ax And this is a dramatic departure so well so what we through tomorrow. So Chuck Schumer came out just spoke to cameras before he excoriated. These proposed rules tomorrow. There's going to be a bunch of it like how do you understand what's happening tomorrow. And what inflection points will arise is tomorrow on the first day in terms of votes in amendments and opportunities to change this basic framework that McConnell announced today. So what will happen tomorrow is is senator. Schumer will offer amendments right up front to allow witnesses and documents Where they normally come into the trial at the beginning right before As part of the normal trial proceedings you would call your witnesses. You would get your documents in so senator. Schumer's amendments lend me to the McConnell resolution will call for making changes that allow for those witnesses that will be the first test of whether Republicans Republicans want to allow witnesses. Now we know from what Senator McConnell saying that he's got his members in lockstep on that at that juncture which which means that the moment of truth will come later in the trial on this motion. That is set up in the resolution on whether or not to have any new witnesses MRS and get new documents and that will be the moment of truth as to whether or not Republican senators want a fair trial or that. I know this is a little technical but I do. Do understand that moment of truth though. Mitch McConnell is designed it is to be after these marathon opening arguments with I think mine are standing what his strategy here is have have there rush through the opening argument that basically vote nothing more than move to a vote as quick as possible. I mean is that your read on what he's trying to steer this doors. Yes absolutely he wants to try and ran this through as quickly as possible. require that the house managers make their arguments without the benefit of any additional additional. Fact witnesses again witnesses that we know that the president blocked from testifying in the house And then have this vote on witnesses McConnell of course hoping that the the Senate will vote to reject any witnesses The reason this provision is in there at all is probably because some of his members embers at least at this point We're a little nervous. A saying right from the start that they wanted a sham and so that's why he set this up later on but make no mistake stake. McConnell has tried to stack the deck in this resolution To try to ram this through and as fast as possible. Final question for you this question about Witnesses obviously there's four. Individuals Democrats have asked for most notably John Bolton who the White House seems to be desperate to stop from testifying. The Republicans responded. If if you call witnesses we're going to call witnesses including perhaps vice president Joe Biden son hundred. What is your feeling about that threat or that rhetoric from your Republican colleagues colleagues about calling other witnesses like hundred well? Of course Hunter Biden is a total side. Show in all of this right. I mean we we know he has is no knowledge of the president's actions to essentially blackmail Ukraine. Say that. We're not going to give you This aid which the GAO found to be unlawful waffle in terms of his withholding aid In order to get them to interfere in our elections Joe Biden knows nothing about Any of that. So we really should be considering these witness the witness requests on the merits as to whether or not they have factual material knowledge of. What's in the articles of impeachment but Chris with the first question is going to be whether Republicans even a request Those witnesses we have requested these four fact witnesses. We've requested documents. They've made no indication Asian that they think that's a good idea for them to call hunter bio Senator Chris Van Hollen. Thanks for being with me tonight. I WANNA turn to Democratic Congressman. Jamie Raskin Maryland was a member of the house. Judiciary Committee who worked ripped A lot on the development of this case over in the house. Do you share your colleagues feelings about the McConnell Organizing Resolution The that that AH Senator Van Hollen just talked about. Yes I do Chris. They're perpetrating a fraud on American people. I mean we. We did the investigation leading to the articles of impeachment. which are remember like an indictment and we had more than one hundred hours of closed door depositions? We had thirty hours hours of public testimony. We had seventeen sworn witnesses all of whom told different aspects or overlaps overlapping aspects of exact. Same story which was the president's shakedown of Ukraine to do is political dirty work and they're supposed to have the trial. Their trial should be much longer longer than what we did. We just got enough evidence overwhelming evidence of the president's culpability but they're just trying to wave a wand and make the whole thing go away and it is really a fraud on the American people and the really at this point. We need the American public to rise up to tell the Republican senators to do their job job to live up to their concerts of office. Because this is more like something you'd find in Putin's Russia were in duties Philippines. So this question talking about the evidence I thought is interesting so my understanding and again. I'm not quite sure how this one hundred percent correct so. Please correct me if I do that. The the negotiated Goshi aided organizing resolution. That was that was negotiated by Democrats Republicans back during Clinton essentially just admitted the house record into evidence to begin as a kind of default step. And here it's just there's going to be a vote for an after the argument start. Is that your understanding of what's significant about that. Well that's what McConnell is calling for but I understand the difference here. In the Clinton case all of the witnesses it already testified but Donald Trump has blockaded Bolton tin and Mulvaney and Blair in Duffy and so on so those are people who should be called right now as a case of first impression right to get them to come forward forward the comical thing is that all of the evidence indicts the president. There's not a shred of evidence that suggests that this is a case of mistaken can identify with the president has an alibi or whatever he has the ability to send forth all of these eye witnesses and they won't do it and yet they claim that there's not enough evidence if there's not enough evidence. He's got the witnesses under his thumb. Well so today. The President tweeted about John Bolton and others in the House which I think is factual They weren't too much rush. Now they want all in the Senate not supposed to be that way. And then we've got this story from the Washington Post which I thought was fascinating. Trump's lawyers Senate. GOP allies work privately to ensure sure Bolton does not testify publicly and it goes a whole bunch of game planning they're doing over there including some truly astounding things like throwing into classified session. If he does actually actually come forward they seem very determined. All of them to make sure John Bolton doesn't testify. What is your read on that? Well I think my read is what Tom Paine I would say. which is everybody used their common sense people who are innocent whose conduct was perfect and absolutely perfect would want all of the witnesses to come forward? This president is doing everything anything that's powered to bury the evidence. They never turned over a single subpoenaed document and he's doing whatever he can to gag all of the witnesses within his control. So we're looking at. Perhaps the guilty is president that there's ever been the question is whether we're going to stand up and defend our constitutional order or we're GonNa let him get away with this. This president essentially as tried to pull the wool over. America's is and then pull curtain down over the executive branch. And saying we're not giving you anything and that is categorical. Category Obstruction of Congress. We cannot let presidents engage in corrupt and criminal activity all over the world to corrupt our elections and then to deny Congress the ability to investigate into denied the American people the truth about the character of their own president. Its totally antithetical to the constitutional design. All Right Congressman Jamie Raskin. Thank you for your time tonight next. Mitch McConnell plans to take the impeachment trial into the dead of night. Where's the fight? Stand calling you witnesses. The latest strategies in two minutes. Hey It's Chris as you know sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day-to-day onslaught lot of news and take our broader. Look issues that's what I'm doing each week my podcast. Why is this happening? We're exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think of it is climate change will be the twenty first century. What maternity west of the nineteenth century? 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What are the only consistent things that a large majority of Americans appear to believe on a front and polarizing question is the Senate should of witnesses and impeachment trial that just keeps being what the public opinion data show today but CNN poll support for new witnesses at sixty nine percent that includes forty eight percent of Republicans? Now we still do not know how that shakes out in the actual trial. We're GONNA talk about that but it would appear therefore Republicans joined Democrats. They will have enough votes to call witnesses now. Republican Senators Susan Collins of Maine Lisa Murkowski of Alaska have both indicated that they are inclined towards calling witnesses. I'm very likely to vote for additional information but I I want to hear as I did last time each side percent its case I've got an open. My mind to both sides leads to what has been presented to us. Can if there is more that I need I will vote to to accept additional information information by way of additional witness by with additional documents by way of additional deposition meanwhile other Republicans seem intent on threatening escalating witness for witness tit for tat. If former national security adviser John Bolton or others are in fact called Senator Rand Paul said that if Democrats call witnesses and they are prepared to call all witnesses witnesses including Joe Biden's son hundred here to talk through how the various calculations are being made right now up on the hill Michael Steele from Republican National Committee Chairman Currently Lina Msnbc political analyst and Elizabeth Holtzman former Democratic congresswoman. WHO's on the Judiciary Committee when they voted to impeach President Richard Nixon? She's also the author of the book. The Case Ace for impeaching trump Michael. And start with you as you think about. So I mean McConnell is one of his powers is a sort of shamelessness. Donald thing was a great example right. Because there's always being like you can't do that. That's not right and he's like I don't care about. I'm going to do what I can do that. That's what these rules. The the the the question. Though is you've got a whole he's got hold of caucus together on all these procedural votes what do you think the calculation of gettable or persuadable if there are Republican senators on this question in the various people have talked to over the last few weeks. There probably is about about five maybe six who could be gettable. I mean it got my question. The question is what are you have to do it again. And that's always the trick you listened in the lead in to Macau Skin Collins and they sort of sound reasonable. Yes if you provide the kind of race instead of going to go along with that. That's not how the pressure works inside the caucus and so the fact that had to be something powerfully overwhelming something that is inextricably damaging to the president means just really really clear beyond what we already know a lot of people who thinks already as damning vulne. It seems to check those boxes. Write checks those boxes and it is why they're working overtime to put the lockdown because the last thing they put it in your Book Bay because by at that point this is all over. You don't need you coming out now testifying in front of the country under oath and that's a whole deficit. And that's to me the Bolton issue you. The reason that it's in a different category is because as quantity be. He made this this announcement see we know from people around him that he was disapproving of the drug deal and and that he is. He's in the club of like conservative right wing Republican. He's been he's been working with these people and talk to these people for Twenty thirty years in the E he's willing. What do you think well I think? Of course. Bolton is a critical witness I think the Democrats have asked ask for critical witnesses and I think that's why Republicans are working overtime. McConnell to squelches we are seeing a massive passive cover up and there's no other word for it if you look at the history here. Even the Clinton impeachment they depositions is taken and witnesses called of course they had already been called before and here the key witnesses have been shut up by the president and we will have no impeachment power we will have no presidential accountability in the future if any president can do what trump pistone which is say. Oh you did something wrong. Well prove it and you know what you don't let your prove and that's a story and that's not GonNa work and you know it just reminds me about sick about this. The Nixon impeachment which is a gold standard. The House Judiciary Committee never went to court to get documents. It's never all of a sudden. They vote for impeachment. Bipartisan vote. Then the smoking gun tape comes out. And the Republicans Republicans position now is. Oh it didn't do your homework at the smoking gun that we're not going to even consider it so that was vital evidence and it changed. The country was four impeachment at that point but it made impeachment totally inevitable and here. The Republicans are saying Freidel evidence. There could be a smoking gun. John Bolton smoke. That's right that's right. y'All have John Natural television being like the President Brooke Law. I washed oxygen. Do it right. That's the that's the downside cataclysmic risk that they went up. What I'm not saying? He's saying he might for all I know try to exonerate the president. He but even in trying to exonerate him. He could persuade four of those senators to make the move. That's the longer term. Play his look. We got this thing. A lockdown down with we stick together we ran through the vote done. We need anything that's right. That's right they have to worry about. Is that more. Evidence is GonNa keep as it has an all of them in. My opinion is going to be embarrassed if they don't do the right job because we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg. It's they jump. which again like when you put it in the book like maybe comes out and gives a big interview to someone a week? After uh-huh he's writing a book and the embarrassment factor is use your. I thought this was very quickly last. Note if the Senate will either the House of Representatives or the president to subpoena witnesses the witnesses shall I be deposed the Senate shall decide after deposition which witnesses shell testify pursuant to the impeachment rules which I think is interesting because they don't want this it sort of makes some sense to a certain extent they don't WanNa just roll the dice on someone coming before the Senate for the first time I WANNA know what they're gonNa say and then make us all a little we'll get dislike all this matter national security. Here for we clamp it down can they censor what's going to question actually the critic getting if you're Mitch McConnell the argument you're making don't start to pull any threads right because you aren't gonNA lead right tight. He's already talk if you get it right. So don't pull it. That's a message Michael Steele Liz. Holzman thank you for being here folks coming up the top Republican on the house. Intelligence Committee has some explaining to do a deep dive into into the Devon Nunez. Left connection. Next information we now have from love Parnasse Rudy Giuliani's indicted associate sheds new light on republican congressman Devin Nunes role in the Ukraine scheme. Keep in mind that the whole scheme the effort to denigrate great and fire the former. US ambassador you Kramer Yvonna Vich and to dig up dirt on the Biden's and also to try and prove a debunked in seeing conspiracy theory that somehow Ukraine systematically settled in the two thousand sixteen election not Russia. All of those avenues of pursuit have not just been the obsession of donald trump and regionally and his henchmen. There's been a whole group of conservatives it is working alongside them at the center of it. All is Congressman Devin newness. We I got a window into his role in the scheme. The House Intelligence Committee or he's the lead Republican release phone records showing that Nunez had spoken to left Parnell multiple times in April of last year. That very night Nunez went on Fox News and claimed be just. Didn't remember the guy to this guy. Let's partners or whatever his name is you know it's possible but I haven't gone through all my phone records. I don't really recall a the name I remember. They name now because he's been indicted but why would CNN rely on on somebody like this. You know and I'll go back and check on my records but it seems very very unlikely that I would be taking calls from random people. Yes why would someone rely on love Tarnow for anything but then left spoke to Rachel metal. Reveal that he coordinated and worked with Devon Nunez named Eric Harvey. I was in shock when I was watching the hearings and when I saw them sitting sitting up there and then there was a picture where they're carvey was back over there sitting. I text my attorney. Said I can't believe this is happening. Because because as a they were involved in getting all this stuff by I mean they're carvey had several interviews. Well now the evidence to back all that up House Democrats Democrats on Friday released a trove of text messages between guests who left Parnasse or whatever his name is and Derrick Harvey News Aid in fact about one hundred exchange over the course of a few months they arrange meetings like this one in April quote at trump presumably meeting the president's DC hotel. They discussed setting up skype interviews for harvey with multiple Ukraine's they treated created stories about Maria. Vich there are multiple mentions of conservative writer. John Solomon who is being fed stories by left parties and Rudy Giuliani something even seemed to irritate RV. Who wrote an April third quote? Any documents for us. Or you're going to keep working through. Solomon Harvey even floated a just crazy conspiracy theory about the Clintons. Some sort of Griff for US foreign foreign aid would get drafted by Ukrainian officials in exchange for money and then given the Clinton Foundation so a lot of contact between Parnasse and Derrick Harvey aide to Congressman. Devin Nunez talk about a lot of stuff. Oh and by the way after the interview with Rachel Meadow and revealed the extent of Nunez and Harvey's involvement Nunez suddenly remembered him. I remember going back looking at it where I was at the time. Because you know you can do that now. You actually know where you physically are checked with my records and it was very clear I remember I remember that call which was very odd random talking about random things and I said great you know just talk to my staff and boom boom so random joining canal for much more on this. Entered Sitter Desiderio. Sorry Congressional reporter for Politico who has been covering all this new evidence from love partners. How what do we know about the extent stint of the working relationship between Arnaz and this Nunez aid? Well these messages. Chris appeared to show that der Carvey. The aide to Congressman Nunez was apparently deputising tossing love partners to try to set up these meetings and calls in Europe and in Ukraine. The same exact mission. That Rudy Giuliani was on this entire time. The second the most important takeaway I think from this is that Derek Harvey appeared to be sending Devonte as his contact information to Parnasse two days before those call records strode that Devin Nunes Parnasse were in contact with each other so Mr Harvey appear to have been the go-between between these two men. Oh so so Harvey's actually. So this is you got a random call from someone and you say talk to my staff. It appears at work the other way around which is to say the staff did the Legwork and then the staff member sheared the contact info to talk to the boss. That's that's apparently what happened. According to the dates we matched up in the call records and of course the text messages that came out on Friday. I gotTA play this clip from one of the House Intel impeachment hearings where Eric Swale sort of called out this whole thing. You don't Nunez's sitting there being like this is ridiculous. And while he knows I I mean he he's at least his staff is sort of a party to what the whole scheme was. Here's swallow calling take a listen. Are you aware of yesterday's Daily. Beast Story UH reporting the indicted Ukrainian left has been working with ranking member. Devon Nunez on Mr Nunez's overseas investigations survived that Mr Chairman and you've been falsely accused throughout these proceedings by the ranking member as being a quote unquote fact witness now if the story is correct the ranking member may have actually been projecting and in fact he he may be the fact witness if he's working with indicted individuals around our investigation. It does seem that Nunez may know quite a bit about this scheme. Yeah that's exactly right so at least raise. This raises the specter. The possibility that a member of Congress was involved in the very effort for which president trump was impeached. There wasn't really an avenue that was explored by the House Intelligence Committee during the impeachment inquiry. Sorry it's kind of an awkward and touchy subject when for at least for chairmanship when his own ranking member is the subject of it and it was I know a very tough decision for for them to ultimately release these records that were provided by. At and T.. As part of the investigation showing it there were calls between Devin Nunes and love Parnasse chairmanship himself Gulf has been very hesitant hesitant to directly comment on this Because you know at least presume that he fears that it would. It would further fray their relationship which which is at this point in tatters Andrew Scenario. Thank you so much. You're waiting for joining us. Thanks Chris Still Ahead the thousands of people the streets on MLK day protesting in fever of guns. That's coming up plus think tonight thing one thing to starts next the thing that I wonder do you think Donald Trump has ever read the United States Constitution. No of course he hasn't. I'm sorry what goes question. Although he sure has talked a lot about article to lately then I have an article to where I have the right to do whatever I want as president but now I don't even talk about that you have article to and you have many other things. That's the other thing you use your rights fusion power if you use article too to it's called obstruction also. Someday you ought to read things all article to read article too which gives the president then hours that you wouldn't believe of course. Article does not give trump of limited powers in fact. The guy just got impeached. Because he doesn't understand that but the weird thing is we have documentary. Evidence of president trump on at least one occasion did read at least part of the US Constitution and not just any part article to the problem is he had a really hard time following it and that thing to in sixty seconds we know the Donald Trump has a tough time sticking to the script when he was inducted. Inducted into the hall of presidents at Disneyworld he reportedly wanted to add a line for his robot to say about how America invented the skyscraper. Saying quote then I could add a little which of course I I know a thing or two about right. Does he eventually reject the idea explaining that. Actually a skyscraper wasn't really an invention but just taller building and so the weirdest looking of all the Disney coming out of traffic president says nothing about big buildings and will to the best of viability preserve protect and defend. Ah The constitution of the United States. So Help Me God good Lord. That's weird that brings us to the time. Trump actually read that constitution institution is a robot. Swear to defend according to the new book a very stable genius excerpted venue fair about six weeks after the election and HBO documentary is being put together in which the US Constitution would be red starfish by various American leaders. Trump's part on article to give them some trouble from the book trump grew e-rated. It's very hard to do. Because the language here trump told the crew. It's very hard to get through the whole thing without a stumble he added. It's like a different language right. Trump tried again but again remark. It's like a foreign language but much like the Disney robot trump did finally power through it. How much he actually absorbed? I think we all know. Each state shall appoint in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct a number of electors equal to the whole number of senators and representatives additives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress. Also someday you ought to read a thing called article to read article too for which gives the president powers that you wouldn't believe Ukraine into the binary between script. They want to move quickly the president from office or going inside impeachment with the reporters of NBC News or two inside impeachment by Steve Predict Okay Search Nail. Wherever you're listening it's a big day on the campaign trail for two reasons today one? This is the last free day for members of the Senate who are rowing to replace President Donald Trump before the impeachment trial which will keep them essentially pinned to their desks for a lot of time. It is also of course Martin Luther King Day a big day in the civic life of the nation and the political life. The Democratic Party any of the candidates weren't Columbia South Carolina for celebrations today marched together arm in arm through the streets at the end of lease. EPA's twentieth annual King. Day at the dome. That event ended at the State House that fluid confederate flag on his own until two two thousand and continued flying the flag on its grounds until two thousand fifteen. So that's how Democrats running for President commemorated. Dr Martin Luther King the Republican candidate and current president. The United States made a quick visit to Dr King's memorial in DC today and tweeted about Dr King saying it was exactly three years ago today January twentieth. Twenty seventeen I was sworn into office so appropriate that today is also kick Martin Luther King Day. African American unemployment is the lowest in the history of our country by far now that tweet was sandwiched between him whining about impeachment and supporting a gun rally in Richmond. Virginia where a completely different scene was taking place. We'll talk about what happened there next. Thousands of protesters gathered in Richmond Virginia. Today for what was billed as a second amendment protest the state legislature which is is moving forward on several gun control measures including a one handgun per month purchase limit universal background check on gun sales and allowing localities Alex to ban guns in certain areas like parks and public buildings now. All three of those measures passed the state. Senate they're going to proceed to the house of delegates before being sent over. The governor's desk. There are also proposals to ban certain kinds of semiautomatic rifle so-called assault style weapons along with a red flag law which is aimed at temporarily restricting getting people deemed a danger to themselves or others from possessing weapons. Both of those efforts have stall that however did not stop twenty two thousand people from turning out in opposition to these laws and state officials were very concerned in the run-up today's rally hoping to prevent a repeat of the two thousand Seventeen Charlottesville confederate monument rally in which a right wing activist murdered a counter. Protester concerns were so high. Virginia Governor Ralph Northam declared a state of emergency banning weapons from the capitol grounds. The good news is that no one I heard today. no-one discharged their weapon. That was partly we should note the result of what appears to be some very good law enforcement work last week when the NAB several members of a violent white supremacist group called the base which by the way translates into Al Qaeda in Arabic. This is a group that modeled their group after another terrorist group. Law enforcement officials say they planned on attending. I think the rally and that they weren't possession of a functioning automatic rifle but the inescapable fact of this kind of event is that yes it's peaceful protests its first amendment protected speech but the implicit and an explicit message of a bunch of heavily-armed people marching states. Capitol is this. Don't you dare your policies if you do. We will use these guns against you. Don't even now as we all summer of the daily beast who is on the ground that huge rally today Gupta former head of the Department of Justice it'll rights division in the Obama Administration. Will since you were there today. Let me start with you. What was the scene like to that? Yeah well you thought it was quite a lot of folks And very heavily armed Countless style rifles Folks with one guy had like a giant sniper rifle and as you say it wasn't violent but at the same time there was a lot of militias out there very heavily armored armor as well this this message if necessary. These people do have weapons. You're someone who has worked in civil rights law Most of your career and obviously like Peaceable Assembly to petition your government is protected under the First Amendment. Even if you don't agree with people I just like I guess I struggle with with like just. The implied message of armed folks and sometimes explicit message is that we will use these. If you if you try to enact your laws I mean. I think there's no question when you look at those images and watch the TV screens of mostly white man Marching armed to the hilt felt the level of intimidation and fear that can stoke is terrifying and actually what. The Virginia legislature did was enact. The will of the people but since our democracies been overtaken and the NRA has an outside influence on so many state legislatures right now. Now thanks to actually a decision that the Supreme Court said about ten years ago in citizens United Tomorrow will be the tenth year anniversary. You've got this kind of smaller minority of folks that can come out and look like that and intimidate folks go really kind of China intimidate also. Legislators from enacting the will of the people will will there were some groups. That didn't come. I mean there were there were there were fears about violent groups coming and actually starting something this case of the FBI interrupting thing. This plot by these folks in the base seemed to me that kind of pass by a very busy news week last week but it was quite an important arrests. They appear to have made right I it. They arrested a couple other folks also involved in this group who allegedly had other violent plots. Obviously this group particular folks here. We're planning on allegedly going to Richmond and kind of starting something But you know more. Broadly this event was seen as potentially among a lot of fringe activists as sort of like the kick off to a new civil civil war or like the second American Revolution of the group. That even organize this rally. They posted a video saying this. Would this might start the boo blue. Do which is sort of far right term for a second civil war so this is not just I obviously the the base is an outlier in terms of violence. But but this idea of a second second civil war and violence over these gun. Laws is pretty mainstream amongst the people at this rally senior. I have a dream of Google. Which of course is like a sort of wink wink? Thank nudge nudge. Term for a second civil war and also Martin Luther King Reference in a pretty despicable way vanita this sort of weird fantasizing about a second civil war four. I have watched it in the last several years move from certain very fringy parts of online right when culture towards towards more Moore mainstream parts of right wing culture. Yeah I mean I think that is what we have been witnessing In the last several years as the emboldening of white supremacists and white right nationalist kind of coming out of the woodwork in plain day. It's what we saw in Charlottesville. In two thousand seventeen where literally white supremacists were marching with their hoods off and you had our president and we have a president who has condoned this kind of behavior and look. I don't intentionally of having this kind of March on Martin Luther King Day on a day that is supposed to be a day of pause to remember a man who stood for peace who fought militarization. who was fighting for justice? Does I think is as you said despicable. It's insulting but it's also terrifying and it really is I think Kind of a reminder that as much as as we kind of think of these images of civil rights people marching on the Edmund Pettus bridge facing state-sanctioned violence You know and and suffering and losing their lives on the stuff this is kind of a very evocative I think Scary moment for us to kind of juxtapose this kind of these images with with kinds of images in the work civil rights leaders are doing today. And I think you can't forget it there's sort of weird inversion or or kind of Of Civil Rights movement in that they they were chanting this thing. We will not comply right. This sort of like sort of Weird Echo. We shall not be moved which which I I started seeing when president he was talking about some kind of like obligatory gun buyback when people call confiscation will and that has now become like again of sort of mainstream idea that you can't actually move on certain gun legislation because there will be bloodshed? There will be a war that people will comply right exactly. I mean you know. There was a guillotine. They brought out in the streets. So you know I mean that's pretty straightforward. There's there's kind of this idea that even though You know the voters in Virginia voted in the Democrats and it was pretty clear that they were going to do. Some Gun. Control measures this group including plenty of people from outside Virginia who came in and You know they're sort of suggesting that even though they're not in political power they're going to take some sort of action You know if these gun control bills go forward Will Oh you would not go ahead now ours. Just you know what what is striking to me. Right now is that you've got this kind of fear intimidation of After an on election that you know where it clear. Virginia legislators had made clear that they were going to act on commonsense gun reform. But you also have the kinds of You've got an active active agenda right now where people are relying on these kinds of tactics that fear and intimidation but they're also relying on things like voter suppression. You've got a party right now. The Republican Party that is actively trying China use voter suppression fear and intimidation To to prevent Do you know the the will the people from getting enacted into policy and I think we are at this very very critical moment in two thousand twenty where we're going to see these forces at play more than ever this year and it will be incumbent on all of us to be mindful to keep our eyes on the a prize as Dr King used to say and to make sure that we can actually preserve and fight for the soul of our democracy and ensure that people can actually vote and have their votes counted to ensure sure. That people aren't going to be intimidated from actually getting their policies passed. I think this is a really critical moment. Wilson and Vanita Gupta. Thank you both for joining us this the initiative. That does it for all in you can catch us every weeknight at eight o'clock on MSNBC don't forget to like us on facebook that's facebook dot com slash. All in with Chris. 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Sen. Mitch McConnell: The Man In The Middle Of The Government Shutdown

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Sen. Mitch McConnell: The Man In The Middle Of The Government Shutdown

"This message comes from on points sponsor rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Introducing rate shield approval if you qualify, and if rates go up your rate stays the same. But if rates go down, you'll rate also drops to learn more, go to rocketmortgage dot com slash on point. From WB. You are Boston and NPR. I'm Meghna Chakrabarti. And this is on point welcome to day twenty five of the longest government shutdown in US history. Today, we want to focus on what Congress's most powerful Republican is doing to end the impasse. We're talking, of course, about Senator Mitch McConnell. Here's what McConnell's democratic colleagues. Senator Chuck Schumer demanded from the Senate majority leader yesterday, it's time for leader McConnell to realize he has the power to break this impasse, passing the house legislation to reopen the government legislation his party already supports legislation that leader McConnell has voted for and bragged about and how did McConnell respond. Well, we don't have that tape because truth is McConnell has said very little about the government shutdown in a couple of days. So rewind back to earlier this month as the new congress convened and McConnell made his shutdown stance. Perfectly clear not wish. It's time considering a democratic Bill which cannot pass this chamber in which the president will not time. Now, you can look at this as Mitch McConnell's effective legislative pregnant pragmatism at its best or his cold blooded political cynicism at its worst. Either way it's time to talk about why this government shutdown. Also belongs to Mitch McConnell this hour on point the Senate majority leader and the government shutdown, and you can join us shoot Mitch McConnell give into Democrats demands. Or do you approve of the fact that he's standing firm with the president on his demands for a border wall? What do you make of Mitch McConnell's nearly thirty five year Senate career, and how is he handling this moment? Now. Join us anytime on point radio dot org or on Twitter and Facebook at on point radio will joining us. I today from Washington is Bill Straub, a political columnist for the northern Kentucky Tribune and kY forward dot com. He's also a former White House and political correspondent for scripts Howard, news service and former Frankfurt bureau chief for the. Kentucky post. He's covered. Mitch McConnell's political career for decades. Bill Straub, welcome to on point harm Magna. Thanks for having. It's great to have you. So first of all just give us a sense. You're there in Washington's will, generally, what's the mood. Like now that we're in day twenty five of the shutdown while I was able to get here this morning, which is the one good thing. 'cause the traffic is not as backed up as it usually is when the congress is in session, or or when people are driving to were there federal jobs in the morning, but it's it's actually been pretty tense people now are not getting their paychecks. And they got a lot of time on their hands that I can tell you, for instance, at the dog park here in over in Tacoma park is crowded these days because people who usually will be at their federal jobs during the day or taking their dogs out in because I don't have anything much to do. And it's people are upset not. So I don't know if they're so upset. That government has has shut down because that's happened before. But the length of this one and doesn't look like there's any reason to believe that it's going to end anytime soon. Yeah. Okay. So you've been following Senator McConnell's career for years. Now. How are you reading his decision to basically do nothing at the moment is is it the sort of his political pragmatism at play? Or is it something else it, it's a combination of things McConnell more than anything else is interested in power, and he's had power here for several years in the majority now, and he doesn't want to lose it. Same time. He doesn't want to turn on President Trump because they're still out of things that that the Republicans want to do and they'll need Trump's support to do that. And it's also political calculation if if he was call up for a vote, for instance, and a lot of Republicans voted to override his veto. Then when next time when they run in in twenty seven twenty twenty he he's got enough support where he could find somebody to primary them, and they will and that would call 'cause a lot of chaos within the the Senate ranks. So there there's a lot of a lot of things gone in here. But most of all, frankly, what what it is is that he does McConnell is I quoted once ROY orbison said with a song called running scared. He's running scared a little bit here because he sees no exit from this and without any exit there there. He's figuring. There's nothing he'd do in anything. He can do probably hurt the the Republican majority and he wants to avoid that at all costs. Okay. This is really fascinating. Because wasn't it in twenty fourteen. Granted that seems like a universal. Mcconnell actually said that you know, he was the guy that gets us out of government shutdowns though. Well, McConnell says a lot of things and and that was certainly one of them, but he's never had to deal with the president like Trump before. And he thought he had it take care of that. He he had some assurances from the White House that they're they're going to have the the interim of funding of all the government officers that have shut down. And then it seemed at the last minute that Trump changed his mind, which certainly didn't help his situation. Eddie, and and and led to the the situation we find ourselves in now. So basically what I one of the reasons that he's not doing anything. I think is because he doesn't know what to do that. He has an other the Republican majority in the Senate have tied themselves soaks closely to Trump that they can't cross him. And had had. So that he Trump is painted himself in a corner all this, and he's taken a McConnell Republicans within right? And so I'm glad you mentioned that right because we should say that McConnell did support and got that vote at late last year to fund parts of the government. But he got the rug pulled out from under him by the president here. But, but as you were just saying though, I mean Mitch McConnell has chosen to lash himself to the president of the United States now. And and everything that you're saying Bill what I'm hearing is you know, sort of perhaps a cute political calculus being executed here by the Senate majority leader for the good of the victory of his party. But right now, we have a federal government that serve all Americans that is partially shut down. I mean it in the in the many years that you've been following him. You gotta think that there's some part of him. That's thinking, wait a minute. I need to be part of the solution to this actually, no. My McConnell is a survivor, and he's trying to find the best way to survive all this and maintain his power. And if he can go about convincing people that the Senate is not this is not the senate's fight that it's a fight between House Democrats and the the president and he can remain on the sidelines that that's what he's going to do. You know, there's an old saying in in politics don't talk unless you can prove silence. Well, the remaining silent here is an indication that here there isn't anything that he thinks that he could do to improve the situation right now. And the reason is that of that course, is that both sides are so entrenched in their positions down there. There's very little wiggle room. Even when they're wiggle room has sort of been provided that that it's been rejected, for instance, Lindsey Graham that Senator from South Carolina, Republicans floated the idea of tying wall funding to. To the DACA kids. And and thought he might see a way into a that way. And that was rejected by the president. So with what what exactly the else, can you say about it, and he'd so he's just going to sit on maybe hopefully, something will turn up a die. Don't think he's found anything to do anything about it yet. Well, Bill Straub Washington-based political columnist for the northern Kentucky Tribune stand by here for just a second. Because you know, I also want to mention that that last week on the Senate floor Senator McConnell did speak about the government shutdown. I mean, we also had last week some Senate Democrats asking for a request for unanimous consent. That would be an agreement from all one hundred senators to vote on bills to reopen. The government the Senate majority leader shutdown that idea and during floor debate last week, he admonished his democratic colleagues for also calling to block votes on any legislation except funding bills and. Mcconnell said, quote, political stunts are not going to get us anywhere in previous government, shutdowns the Senate gun business. Senate hasn't been shot down. So that's what we ought to be doing and actually at the same time negotiate with the president will border security because nothing else is going to go to solution. That's the Senate majority leader last week. We'll joining us now is Alec McGillis. He's a reporter at propublica who covers politics and government. He's also author of the cynic the political education of Mitch McConnell. Alec mcgillis. Welcome to the program. Well, thank you. So that cut that we just played from McConnell about nothing else is going to get us to a solution. Negotiating with the president. Help us understand that here is that McConnell saying like, here's the reality of the situation. Let's be pragmatic or is it something else? Well, I think what you're hearing. There's sort of a favorite line of McConnell's which is that he's often in lake to project onto the Democrats that the kind of tactics in an accusations of obstruction that really best describe his his own his own behavior as as Republican leader in the Senate all these years. I mean, he there's there are a lot of obviously, a lot of culprits in bringing Washington to place where it is now, but but McConnell's role in in in this this rise of of obstruction in gridlock that we've had in Washington in real kind of really kind of a degrading of norms in Washington is just cannot be overstated. Just if you look at at the rise of these of the filibuster and always other blocking tactics in his time as Republican leader it, the the the the fault them responsibility. Very clearly lies with him. And and many. Sort of many are arbiters of Washington have basically come to that conclusion. Okay. So is it fair then to say, then Mitch Mitch McConnell should be taking some ownership for this government shutdown too. Absolutely. I mean in the way that he it most most specifically really because he has played he played an enormous role in the election of Donald Trump to extent that this shutdown is is brought to us by Donald Trump. Mitch McConnell is responsible for it because of his own role in in Trump's election. He he helped elect Trump in any number of ways. First of all, of course, with the blocking of merit Garland's nomination refusing to even hear that nomination to entertain it at all which is a complete break with with norms in Washington. He gave Trump huge hand by by giving Republicans reason to rally around Trump in the fall, he he also helped elect Trump by basically by feeding the this Republican rise Republican opposition to chew Bama in sort of seating. This kind of tea party ish conservatism. Yeah. Well, LX stand by here for just a second and Bill Straub as well. We are talking about the Senate majority leader about Senator Mitch McConnell and his role in this government shutdown right now, he says he's going to do very little until the president and Democrats come to some sort of agreement is that the right way to go. Or is it just exacerbating the problem? We'll be right back. I'm making a trucker birdie. This is on point. This message comes from an points sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. With indeed posted job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. What's unique about the human experience? And what are we all have in common? I'm guy Roz every week on Ted radio hour, we go on a journey to the big ideas, emotions and discoveries that fill all of us with wonder find it on NPR one or wherever you get your podcasts. This is on point Meghna chucker bardy. We're talking about the Senate majority leader today, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and his role in this government shutdown now in date twenty-five, the longest in US history. Mitch McConnell is a very powerful Senate majority leader, he's the most powerful Republican in congress night now, and we're asking is he taking the right path the right tack in basically doing nothing and being very quiet at the moment about the shutdown or should he be using his power and leverage as Senate majority leader to perhaps put more pressure on the president? Or is that just a losing losing tactic to begin with? Joining us today are Bill Straub. He's a Washington based political columnist for the northern Kentucky Tribune. He's also former White House and political correspondent for scripts Howard news service. He's been covering McConnell for years. Alec McGillis is also with us. He's a reporter at propublica and author of the cynic the political education of Mitch McConnell an Alec and Bill I just wanted to play a couple of moments from. Mcconnell's recent past where he definitely used or saw fit to use his power as Senate majority leader to produce some very big changes in the United States government. And I'm thinking specifically about how Alec you mentioned earlier his decision to block, Merrick garland nomination to the US supreme court so here on March sixteenth twenty sixteen the same day President Obama nominated Merrick garland to fill the court vacancy left by the death of Justice. Anthony, Antonin Scalia McConnell said in a floor speech that he believes the American people should have a say in the next person on the high court, the American people may will elect a president who decides to nominate judge garland for Senate consideration experts may also nominate somebody very different either way our view is this give the people in filling this faculty and later in August of two thousand sixteen at a political event in western. Stuck McConnell described his refusal to hold those confirmation hearings on merit garland as one of his proudest moments. One of my proudest. One of my proudest when I looked at rock Obama, and the I I said Mr President you will not fail. This pre Gord bacon. That's Mitch McConnell in August, twenty sixteen Bill Straub, let me turn back to you. Hear what did that, Merrick garland garland moments? Tell us about McConnell's approach to to his role as Senate majority leader to governance even in his leadership of the Senate. Mcconnell is all about power, and he loves to exercise power when he has paternity and that was a perfect opportunity for him to do that. He was playing to his base, which the the large number Republicans out there. And really did not care. What anybody else said that that? That's one thing about McConnell, you can talk about public opinion polls talk about democratic opposition and even some opposition within his own Republican party. But he he doesn't really care about that. All he cares about main mainly maintaining power and using it. And this was a perfect example of that. Okay. So regarding the shutdown though to follow up on what you're saying Bill as you said earlier, I can understand. Maybe he's concerned that having his Republican colleagues on the record with any kind of vote on the shutdown could leave some of them open to getting primary. I get it. But what about for him himself? He's. Running for reelection in twenty twenty. But I'm seeing here that, you know, even though the president President Trump pulls a lot higher than McConnell ties in Kentucky. I don't imagine Mitch McConnell being in any danger of losing power himself. No, I don't believe there's any danger. You have to remember a couple of things first of all that. I it. It's not fair to say that McConnell, revitalize the Kentucky Republican party because there was no no corpse to revitalize. He basically, invented the Kentucky Republican party. And he did starting back in nineteen eighty four when he defeated incumbent democrat the huddles ver the position he currently holds. And he hasn't had hardly any problems being reelected sense. In fact, he has now Kentucky's longest serving Senator in history, and he'll be running for a seven term in twenty twenty. He won't get primary d-. I don't think anybody's expecting even the current governor of Kentucky to a challenge him. And so he has a straight shot to the Republican nomination and Kentucky has turned very strongly Republican in the fat Platt past few years. They'll reason to think that's any democrat on the bench that be have any chance taking on. So he's a secure and his position probably just about anybody else at the Senate. Well, Alec McGillis that that gives us the opportunity to talk about the fact that the the Senator that we see today is almost unrecognisable from the man who was first elected to the Senate Bill to saying nine in the mid nineteen eighties. I mean, I was reading back on on your writing and bills reporting that that the Mitch McConnell from nineteen eighty four was it was a defender of of abortion rights and also you thought to secure the support of the AFL CIO. So like looking for support for for unions. He's his. Changed his perspective very dramatically. Oh, he has Mitch McConnell was back in the nineteen sixties and seventies a very moderate Republican. He as he said, he was a staunch defender of abortion rights when he was the county executive in Louisville. Jefferson County Kentucky he sought the AFL CIO endorsement back then he was very pro civil rights. He was very much on the moderate side of the Republican party in that era. He then swung very sharply. Very quickly to the right after he got to Washington. The the election nineteen Eighty-four four. The Bill mentioned was was for him a very narrow victory and in the same year. Ronald Reagan when a huge victory in Kentucky, nineteen Eighty-four Mitch McConnell barely won his first Senate race in and it's hard. It's surely looks like he concluded that if you wanted to have easier victories from there on he was going to have to sort of shift to the right and get in line with the rest of the conservative Republican party in the south tell me a little bit more because I'm trying to understand sort of who Mitch McConnell is. Is and therefore what's leading him down the direction that he's choosing to to go right now regarding the government shutdown. I mean over the many decades that he's been in the Senate does it seem as if he's been a person who's been driven to the big legislative accomplishments or not I mean, Bill Straub has had a couple of times that he believes McConnell's been just driven by the consolidation of power, which would require him following the direction that his party has gone since the mid eighties. Bill is right. It's with McConnell even more than with other politicians. It is all about the win. It's all about setting yourself up to win the next election that is the key to understanding him. It's the permanent campaign mindset where everything is about. How are you going to win the next time? How how are you and your party going to win the next cycle? Is that rather than what you actually do when you're in power? He he's has shown very little interest in whole a whole swath of issues that a lot of conservatives care about including immigration. He back in two thousand seven when George W Bush was first trying to fix our immigration system. There was a big push back then big legislation that came before the Senate and McConnell, then as as Republican leader completely held back from from the whole debate on on that vote and just showed no leadership whatsoever. He was actually chided by a lot of conservative commentators completely absent himself from that from that debate. And then finally when when the legislation field, he was when it was clear, it was going to feel voted against it. But he's he's not driven by audio Badio by ideology, the issues the things that he actually cares about are the court and campaign finance reform because those are issues that that actually have played a role in winning elections. So. It's the issues that are about the political game itself that he cares about. But a whole swath of other things like immigration. He isn't that he's not engaged in them, and it kind of an ideological way. So that's what you're seeing right now. Well, so Bill Straub, then I mean, if that is the case what could get the majority leader to bend here. I I think that's the the the hundred thousand dollar question there of the I think have nothing when he's ready to do something. If he ever gets ready to do something. He'll he'll do it. If he thinks it's working to his advantage. If he thinks it's working to the advantage of the Republican caucus in the Senate, he'll do something. But I don't think he see. I don't think he sees a way out of this right now. I think he I think he might be a in here trying to figure something out. But he until he does he's not going to say or do anything. Well, Bill Straub and Alec McGillis hang on here for Justice second because we've got some callers who want to have their say. So it's turn to Irene who's calling from London Kentucky. Irene you're on the air. Hey, thank you for taking my call, and we have a democracy in this country rat it works through the different government. You know, the gun. Well hacking a president just shut. Down the government because he can't get his way and will Mitch McConnell not bring forth a Bill to the floor because he says nothing's going to work unless the president, okay is is that democracy or dictator? Well, that's my question on that. And maybe we need to look into really want. The wall is going to be built you think it because they have something to do with maybe Brazil in this wiler. They're all refugees in the future. You think maybe it's more to this than just building a while to keep people out at this point. There's something not right about this whole situation and someone needs to get to the bottom of it. And we need to let our democracy work in this situation MC Irene. Thank you so much for your call really appreciated him. Actually, a very interesting question about the the the Coequal branches of government here and the foundation of the United States democracy. So with that let me turn to jasmine fear. She is chair of the political science department at the university of Louisville. She teaches courses on congress, the presidency separation of powers parties and elections and powers of government. And she's joining us from Louisville Kentucky. Welcome to on point. Thank you for having me Magna. Okay. So you. Heard. Irene say, I think, you know, kind of at the core of the first half of her comment there. She was just wondering about are. We seeing sort of a disempowering of what's supposed to be a Coequal branch of government now through the choices that Senator McConnell's making to to not do anything at the moment. What do you think about that? Well, institutions in American politics are still governed by people and people make political and partisan calculations based on their leadership role in the party based on their popularity at home, and the popularity of the party at home as well as looking to the next election as your other guests have said, but you know, I I've been reading. Many many articles written about McConnell over the past many years and many of them go out of their way to say, you know, he loves the institution of the Senate. He understands very well. It's Cain rules and procedures here. So certainly he also understands that it is a co equal branch of government, and when he chooses at this point in time to do nothing. I mean doing nothing is is also a choice in isn't it? I mean is he not telegraphing that he believes that the the power of the Senate is subordinate to that of the decisions of the president. Well, he is the majority leader. And the majority leader position would be to stick with the president in the circumstance, it's very hard to put a mathematical equation on it every single member of congress has multiple hats. They have to represent their constituents. The majority of the people who got them there. They have to represent their party. They also have policy issues that are near and dear to them. And in the case of leader McConnell. He also does have a major institutional role. He does profess a worship fullness of Henry clay of compromise. He is not a gleeful leader in the shutdown. In fact, I heard Newt Gingrich on MPR yesterday who seemed downright sentimental and the style GIC about his role in the government shutdown of ninety five ninety six in Gingrich said just yesterday he thinks that that type of political heat helped him win policy votes and made some wonderful compromises. He said with President Clinton at the time. I don't think we will ever hear leader McConnell say that this shutdown was a good move, right? In fighting has said in the past that he thinks shutdowns or bad news for the the majority party. But but jazz Mathare, you just mentioned Henry clay there as a as a great hero of Mitch McConnell's re remind us about who had replays. And why McConnell admires him so much? Henry clay was considered the great compromiser, and he helped at least three major compromises before the civil war that some historians. Believe gave the union ten full years to prepare. Inevitable secession, and Henry clay is a very different from Senator McConnell's point of view than say Senator Paul so Senator Paul's maiden speech on the Senate floor was actually critical of Henry clay, saying why compromise over things you believe in. So that's an interesting difference between them Senator McConnell has always said that he aspires to be a Henry clay like figure using institutional power for greater national good. Of course, when you're the party leader, it's a very different world. And so we have to always place leader McConnell into context. One is the Republican party's resurgence in Kentucky, and to the changes in the Republican party nationally, how it's become more homogeneous ideologically how it's moved tactically against the majority party when the Majette when the Democrats were in the majority in the White House or in the house or Senate. So again, those are the two context understand his volition Alec McGillis. You know, you've written a biography of Mitch McConnell A. How do you respond to a? Jasmine farrier saying. Well, it's true that McConnell's often seen himself as as sort of an heir to Henry clay. And that he he also sees himself as a as as deeply invested in the Senate as an institution in his his dream is whole whole life. It was to be the majority leader of the Senate. Unlike a lot of other senators who think about running for president he's always just wanted to to run that that body itself. But it's put us also true that he has done so much to degrade the institution that he professes to care so much about he he does know a whole lot about the Senate. He knows he knows it's keen rules and procedures as well as anyone. But if you step back and just look at what's happened to this to this chamber as result of all this this this degrading of norms, you know, most most explicitly in at the Merrick garland moment, it's just it's just hard to escape the conclusion that he's done great damage to the institution that he that he claims to love so much jasmin farrier. What do you think? Well, he had to make a partisan calculation about how he was going to proceed, and I agree with your other guests at the Merrick garland moment will be a moment that will be forever associated with Mitch McConnell. Does he love the Republican party more than he loves the institution of the Senate is the question if he were here, he would probably remind your listeners that it was Harry Reid as majority leader who took away the filibuster for lower court nominations, and then McConnell when he became majority leader responded in kind by eliminating the filibuster on the supreme court right now McConnell would argue that he is very defensive of the legislative filibuster, and he has been nudged prodded and pushed by President Trump to try to eliminate that remember for most legislative proposals. You need to have sixty votes in the Republicans right now have only fifty three McConnell has said time, and again that he does not believe that that is the appropriate legislative and institutional move at this time, but we'll have to wait and see Bill. Straw. We've just got about thirty seconds here before we have to take a quick break. I want to get your voice back in. What do you think about you've been hearing? Well. She mentioned the the garland thing, you gotta remember the only reason that redid what he did was caused McConnell was goofing around with the rules and was keeping nominations of two nominees to the circuit court for the district of Columbia. And there was no other way for them to get them through because mccown would not let them through. So then he gets so so he filibusters these things then takes advantage of it. When he's here. He's you talk about the his love for the institution. But it's love for the two doesn't mean that he won't do things that previous leaders wouldn't do. Well, they'll strive and Alec McGillis and jasmine failures standby here for just a second. We gotta take a quick break. We're talking about the Senate majority leader about Senate Mitch McConnell and the role he is playing or has to play in this government shutdown. We'll be back. This is point. In the Trump era. The news moves faster than f- nippy. Our politics podcast is there to keep you informed. Every time there's a major political story. We get our best correspondence together to sort through the noise. The NPR politics podcast. What you need to know. Right. After it happened. This is on point magneto bardy. Welcome today. Twenty five of the government shutdown and today, we're talking about Mitch McConnell's role in this shutdown and as Senate majority leader as the most powerful Republican in congress what he's doing and not doing to bring the shut down to an end. And we've got what a comments coming in here. Doug DeLuca says that McConnell could end this today, but he won't because it will look like the Democrats won. Jason Lewis on Twitter's tweeting us he says McConnell has ceded the power of the branch of the government. He leads to Donald Trump. The most generous read is that it's irresponsible. So let's go back to the phones here where Matt is calling from Glasgow Kentucky, Matt you're on the air. Yes. Basically just want to say that, you know, our president goes out, and he's making speeches and he's sticking to what he told the public. He would do. And I think that sets a bad example for a lot of the senators and house because if they had to do what they said, they would do that, you know, they're not, but our president is sticking to it and send it Mitch McConnell's backing up because he knows his base is right there with the president. So Matt DC to think that that the Senator is doing the right thing instinct with the president. Okay. Well, Matt thank you so much for your call. Let's go to Gabe who's calling from Cambridge Massachusetts, Gabe, you're on the air. Hey, how are ya? Thanks for taking my call. It's private my comment percent. I'm an independent, and I voted for a Republican in the last election. But I believe that Mitch McConnell has betrayed his country in two thousand sixteen during the elections or intelligence agencies saw that we were under attack by Russia. They went to President Obama who went to Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan told them what was happening. So we need to do something about this in a United way for the good of the country. Paul Ryan said, you're right. Mitch McConnell said no, he said, no. And all of this that we've been going through over the last couple of years could have been voided or could have been dealt with in a way that makes America look honorable that we have values, and, you know, last comment, you you've you've noted here that McConnell cares about power above all. That is exactly why the Russians have targeted the Republican party as a way to attack our country because they know that they'll put party before country and Putin before party if it's in their own self interest, Gabe, thank you for your call and Alec McGillis. Lemme turn back to you here for this. Because Gabe is pointing to the fact that after the election was reported that in the September. If I if I'm remembering correctly before the election as gave mentioned, the CIA and President Obama did want to say something publicly about what they knew about Russian interference of in the election process at that time, but that in private meetings with congressional leaders Senator McConnell, basically said that he would if the administration went forth and did that he would he would attack President Obama as trying to swing the election. Is that right? Exactly right gate. This is such a crucial moment in how we've come to this. This point they wanted to bring it bring this the public's attention that the Russians were trying to do this. And and just get it out there, and let voters know about this. Who's that that this major effort to undermine our democracy was happening? Mitch McConnell said if you do this I will cast it as a as a partisan gambit in a make look like you're trying to swing the election for Hillary Clinton. So the public did not find out that this was happening because of Mitch McConnell's tactic on this. It was it was really remarkably cynical moment where he was casting something that would have been sort of a United effort to save our democracy as as a partisan as a person move, which was it self. Of course, the most partisan move of all well jasmine farrier, how do you read that moment, especially since we've we're few years away from it? Now. I think that again as majority leader or as minority leader or as majority whip which was his previous position Mitch McConnell has spent half of his career in the Senate in the party leadership team that means that the party is going to be paramount. And the next election is going to be the goal, and as an astute observer of politics, there's no question in Mitch McConnell's mind that his actions in two thousand sixteen including his actions about merit garland helped Donald Trump got elected. And that's what he did as a Republican, well suppose. A lot of people react to something like that. And and what they might want to say is. Yes, you know, one can can be of great champion of of your party. And and use the political tools at hand to advance the policy interests of your party, whether you're Republican or democrat, but regarding this moment in late twenty sixteen. I mean, he was presented with information that hostile foreign power was trying to influence the democratic election of the United States of America. And you know, the critics of McConnell would say even with that with that information. He still put his party, I and and isn't that isn't a problem? Well, it's not his profile in courage moment. That is certainly the case if you think about his entire career where has he taken a stand that has gone against his party or gone against his Commonwealth constituents. And that would be the question for his legacy. So in the. Profiles encourage book every Senator profiled in that book has a moment where they stand up against the forces of the majority around them to take a stand that made their legacy in national political life. I would be curious what Senator or leader McConnell would view as his profile encouraged moment, thus far or what the moment might be going forward. Now. So Bill Straub chime in here. What do you think there's a growing perception that that McConnell places party before country, which is terrible thing say about anybody? But you know, the way he's acted that is certainly gives credence to that to that fought. And it's been going on for quite some time now and. Every every time he faces something. It's always from the. Promoting the Republican view over whatever else might be acceptable. And this the that the thing about the his reluctance to side with Obama on this as his opposite in early on. When Obama I took office to the Bill to for the recovery Bill that that Bama proposing a wound up having to cut back on it. Because of that strong opposition that McConnell lead is just another example. I I think ultimately when the history books are written that he's not going to fare very, well, let's go back to the phones Lisa's calling from bowling green Kentucky. Lisa you're on the air. Thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to say that emphatically Mitch McConnell is doing great harm to his constituents in the Commonwealth. And you know, basically, he has no checks and balances if he's unwilling to bring anything to the Senate floor, and we also have a governor who is basically trying to act in authority -tarian role in the only checks and balances we have our the attorney are our our attorney general and unfortunately, a former lawyer of McConnell's is going to be running for that position in the next election. So the people of Kentucky are really not faring well at the expense of their elected officials Lisa committed here s you to be more specific about what you mean. Because you know, on the other hand, I think you can see Senator McConnell is having been very good to the Commonwealth of Kentucky. And I'm thinking about the most recent farm Bill in his pushing through of the legalization of hemp, which is helping or going to. Help once the government shutdown ends, but going to help a lot of Kentucky farmers who you know, who were losing income from other crops that they just couldn't sell as much as easily thinking tobacco in previous generations. Okay. Bit hamp is again, it's going to be one of those single crop forms of income. Look at what he's still they're still supporting coal instead of going to the renewable resources. Where is MRs are actually willing to invest in especially when you take it over to eastern Kentucky. They're still fighting that fight and they're downplaying education. We have had changes we have had rollbacks, and you know, things that we hold near and dear for an educated populace. And so many of the other things when you talk environment, and you talk about the health and wellness of the state of Kentucky. And and you can look up on any of the stats. We don't fare well for any of those things, and they don't support things to improve the state will Lisa. Thank you so much for your call. Jasmine, farrier let's turn back to you there. How would you assess Senator McConnell's record for the state of Kentucky? Well until earmarks were disallowed in the house. Senate as part of normal appropriations processes Senator McConnell was very interested in touting his ability to funnel money to all corners of the state. In fact, in his two thousand eight election, he had a multi regional ad campaign. That is still available on YouTube where he explains dollar for dollar what he got for the universities in pork for the Senator back, then was not a bad name. It was not a bad word. It was a way of connecting institutional power to delivering for his constituents once earmarks became on fashionable. However, the leader had to go through different routes through the regular legislative process, and the declassification of hemp is a controlled substance in the most recent farm Bill is a perfect example of that. And that will be an issue that he's going to take twenty twenty. Okay. So Alec McGillis. Let me turn back to you here. And I want to in the last five minutes or so that we have get back to the issue of where the Senate majority leader finds himself now or has. Put himself now vis-a-vis this government shutdown because as you know, a repeated theme throughout this hour is you know, he can read the McConnell as being a political pragmatist political cynic again, perhaps two sides of the same coin here. But there is a certain political logic to how McConnell views his role as Senate majority leader does he not face the challenge that in dealing with the president of the United States or tying his fortunes to the president United States. He has Titus fortunes to a man who doesn't act with logic who doesn't act with pragmatism. And therefore, that's one of the reasons why McConnell has perhaps boxed himself into doing anything productive regarding this shutdown. That's exactly right. I mean, we're we're we're really facing kind of reckoning moment here for McConnell in past crises when we've had all these various, you know, government shutdown moments in fiscal cliff moments. He did often play a role at the last minute and coming in and cutting the deal that that opened the govern backup or, you know, things going again in in and he would get praised for that for coming in at that last moment and cutting that deal any cly kinda liked to do that. He can't do that now because the president is Donald Trump. And and he's the president unlike any we've ever had any just he doesn't function that way in McConnell played an enormous role in the election of Donald Trump both in blocking merica, Maryland in riling up the Republican base around that open seat, which helped really helped elect Trump. And then also as as discussed in in in in blocking any revelation of the Russian interference. So the voters would know about that. And so he so you cannot overstate the role that McConnell played in Donald Trump's election in here. We are now in this moment where he is having to to really reckon with the fact that the president is this man who does not does not function as other presidents would in a situation like this image connel's clearly at a loss about what to do about that. Well, Bill Strub, though, this Faustian bargain, then that Senator McConnell has made I is contributing to. Total paralysis of the functioning of the federal government right now. I mean, it's it's not exactly the outcome. Anyone would have hoped for? It's interesting that we're we're sitting here talking about how McConnell hasn't done anything. And actually, he he has done something that is an abled President Trump to close the government because as has been said he could call up these bills that are passing the the democratic house now to open up those segments of the government that are not affected by the or have anything to do with this wall. And he's refusing to do so and so in doing so he's basically taking sides. But then when it comes to trying to figure out how to work your way out of this. He's though air he's he's taken a powder. He's nowhere to be found. And and so he's he's basically hiding the rest of the time. Because he I think it is because he simply doesn't know what else to do other than just throw it throw it in in Trump's court and wash his hands at it. Okay. Well, let's sneak in one last call in here. One last call in here before time forest is calling from Lexington. Kentucky forest. You're on the air. Hello. I just had some comments. There's a dynamic and Kentucky, and it's like Louisville Lexington or islands within a state of ultra conservatives outside of it all Trump country, and we don't feel like really, you know, at least the people that are must circles think that McConnell has done anything, you know, for the for the Louisville or Lexington area. And you know, McConnell said his greatest, you know, accomplishment was was, you know, rejecting Obama's supreme court pick. So it's it's just horrible. Because all he does is play to the feeder of of the people in the rural areas. Always gotta say his Hilary Benn Ghazi a and. You know, they're they're scared of this, you know, new world, and and global, you know, position well force them to take it back because we're just about to run at time and sank you so much for your call Desmond farrier, we've got a minute left to go here. One last question for you. Keep thinking about this pragmatism of Mitch McConnell could that pragmatism kick into action? If here's enough from his fellows, Senate Republicans about how you know the pain that their constituents are feeling with government shutdown has become enough. Well, we have to think about the constitutional constraints that leader McConnell is in two thirds of the Senate means sixty seven senators and right now there are fifty three Republicans. So that's a difference of fourteen. If leader McConnell wants to have his profile encourage moment, it would be to override the presidential veto. And then, of course, Nancy Pelosi and Kevin McCarthy and the house would have to figure out how to do the same in these types of situations. It's not just the people, but it is. The structural constraints of the constitution that give President Trump in some ways. The final say, we'll elk go thirty seconds here on the other hand, they could you know, try to do some votes and the president could veto them. They couldn't override it. But then at least the president would publicly fully own what's happening here. Exactly. That's that's why why McConnell really could make a difference. If he were willing to to to stand up, and and and really clarify things and and and take up with the houses past he's choosing not to put pressure on the president, which is also a choice as well. Well, Alec McGillis Bill Straub and jasmine Ferrier. Thank you so much for joining us today, very much appreciated and listeners go to on point radio dot org. And let us know what you think about the role that the Senate majority leader is playing in this day twenty five of the government shutdown. I Magnin Chakrabarti this is on point.

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Mitch McConnell Loves Political Corruption And Joe Biden Gets Cringey

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Mitch McConnell Loves Political Corruption And Joe Biden Gets Cringey

"If you like the young Turks podcast. I think you'll love a lot of the podcasts on the TRT network ole school is one of my favorites. One of the favorites for a lot of the listeners. Please check that out. Subscribe share it and makes a big difference and give it a five star rating. Thanks. Drop it. Pro public power panel. I'd like to remind the audience that I'm forty eight. But still a child, okay. I give my kids points if they do things, right. I also take away points. Okay. We'll get carrots as. Points away from you. I know right. But now we're doing fun game where they squeeze the points out of me. So they go squeeze baba. And I'll go. Okay. John Ida ROY Jenkins for Antica Sperry. And we've got a wonderful first hour for you guys. And we want to show you guys. So later in the program, we win CNN Benz to our will. Yeah. Was it really us? Yes. Okay. We'll see. We'll see. Okay. But no, they did the right thing. And I wanna commend that. And. Okay. We'll say that for later in the program Martin skelly with a ridiculous report out of prison. He's just he's unreal. There's actually like a small part of that where I was like, oh, that's kind of fun. And then it was oh, no, not fun. Not funny that terrible guy. So that's a little bit later in the program. We're going to have a fun show. And we're going to start with corruption. We are. We're also going to start with a correction that I guess. That's very important because you guys need to know everything that's accurate. So yesterday, we did the story about how the DNC had banned FOX from the democratic primary debates, and we played video featuring a former deputy chief of staff for Barack Obama upon further review and also through her tweets, it became clear that she was not criticizing the DNC for refusing to allow FOX to carry one of the primary debates. She says that she was irritated that the DNC had ever considered allowing FOX to host the debates in the first place. I'm glad that she corrected a week or she clarified. We corrected everybody else. I hope corrected as well. But yeah. In the way, the Scarborough questioned her it was totally unclear right? Because he seemed like oh, yeah. Rock and roll. Plus should have the debates, right? And but the beginning of her statement was confusing to me because I wasn't clear whether she was four FOX or against FOX. And then as the interview continued on because of Joe Scarborough's line of questioning it appeared that she was in favor of allowing FOX to carry the debates either way she's clarified, and I wanna make sure that we don't mischaracterize her argument in any way. So yes. Okay. And as well until you got a couple of things to look out for over the weekend. I'll just tell you real quick right now. So CNN's having town halls we can't show you the town halls. It's all Sunday. But what we can do is live play by play coverage. So we're going to do a fun way. We're going to do live on folks phones. So John is gonna do one hour. Br. That's going to do another hour. And and Malcolm question is going to do a Malcolm is often on aggressive aggressive. He's gonna cover Tulsi Gabbard breast going to do Buddha, Jake, and John, John Delaney. Okay. So you guys look out for that. It's going to be free for everybody. But of course, right afterwards. We'll put it out for the members. So you guys can watch it anytime you want to dot com slash join obviously. But in this case in order to watch them, YouTube dot com slash y t's very easy way to go okay to watch them. And then but meanwhile, over at Facebook because we got a lot of different channels were covering all of the Bernie rallies over the weekend as well. So don't miss any of those that stuff live. And then obviously we'll have the tape afterwards as well. So that's Facebook dot com slash rebel HQ. Okay. Facebook dot com slash rebel issue. Okay. Let's get to John. What's up so much to get to? Let's see if we can today House Democrats succeeded in passing their first big priority for the new congress that is a massive anti corruption and campaign finance Bill. Every House Democrat president voted for the Bill and every House Republican voted. No. So it's got to be controversial, right? A lot of radical policies in there. And we've talked about this a number of times over the past few months, but I just want to give you a quick run through of what was actually in the Bill before you find out why it is likely to go. No further through the US government. The Bill would establish nationwide automatic voter registration election day, registration and two weeks of early voting in every state. It would curb gerrymandering by requiring independent commissions to draw congressional maps instead of partisan state legislatures to reduce the influence of mega donors on elections. It would create a small donor matching system to publicly financed congressional campaigns and required dark money groups to disclose their donors and finally in terms of ethics. It would enact new ethics reforms among them requiring the president and vice president along with future candidates for those offices to release ten years of personal and business tax returns that seems unnecessary because what president wouldn't do that just give us the information we need. Now. Of course. Course every single element of that is apparently a total nonstarter with the Republican party right now as becomes clear when you go to its next up which would be in the Senate. And here's what Mitch McConnell had to say about it. This is a terrible proposal. It will not get any floor time in the Senate. I believe we can actually win elections against people who vote for this Turkey. Taxpayer funding of elections partisan takeover, the FCC and no real concern about the only obvious election fraud, we had in the last election as a result about harvesting. This is a solution in search of a problem. What it really is is a Bill designed to make it more like the Democrats win more often nothing else. So they wanna talk about getting rid of valid harvesting. I'd be open to that beyond that. I don't think Jang anything in here salvageable. Get a load of a nerve this guy talking about Turkey's neck like that. Nerve of the ballot harvesting comment. I think it's better considering that insofar as there has been fraud related to something like ballot harvesting, it was the Republican that was doing it wasn't long ago. You could acknowledge that and in general he wants he's a terminology because he doesn't want you to know what he actually is opposed to and that is either individuals or groups assisting those who can't personally deliver their absentee ballots to make sure that their vote is still counted. Which to me sounds like democracy, just like every other elements of this. I mean, they're saying this is a power grab a power grab to let people vote to make sure that they can register to make sure that they have the day off work to vote. Like if that is a power grab if that makes it impossible for you to win your party's got more, fundamental issues that you're willing to admit at that press conference, Mitch McConnell. So I want to break down what he said a little further. So to just expand on what John is saying. Taking people's balancing and handing them in is helping people vote taking people's balance and changing them as the Republicans did in North Carolina is about harvesting. And so. Mcconnell to to his credit is really audacious. I mean, he brings up was a cheating that the Republicans did in this election cycle in in two thousand eighteen and that election got was not certified, and they're gonna redo the I. I know forever. Remember an election being redone at the congressional level before it's unprecedented. The level of cheating. The Republicans did so he turns around and saying, well, the Democrats helping actual citizens vote is the same thing as are cheating. But he doesn't say ours. He never mentioned that it was the Republicans who did it. So it's he so outrageous breakdown three more things, but go ahead jumping on your first point. Obviously, I agree with you. I don't know if it's audacious for him to do this. I think if anything it's savvy for him to do it because who's going to challenge him are the reporters listening to that press conference going to challenge that blatant lie that he just told of course, they're not. So are the Republicans who, you know, consider themselves right wing. Are they going to fact check it or challenge it for themselves? Probably not. So he will get to lie, and he will get to twist something that the Republicans did and then blame Democrats for it. And then he'll go unchallenged and that lie will live on in the minds of who knows how many? The Americans so many take three quotes from the video. You just saw he says, I don't see anything in here. Salvageable referring to build the bills huge. So one part of the Bill is ethics. And where it says, hey, if you do sexual harassment of your staff, you have to pay for it instead of the taxpayers, so that's not south if not salvageable so so apparent he's like not he doesn't see anything good in this Bill. So if you do discrimination, you do whatever like if congressman or a Senator is terrible to his own staff so bad that he's got to pay damages. He says no the American taxpayer should pay me and my friends here in congress. So that's who Mitch McConnell is number two. He said, it's more likely. Democrats win more often. Now, does it say anything about, hey, we got to twist things or even of course, not going to say twist things. But is there anything in there? That puts the thumb on the scale for Democrats know what that does is. It says we want to make it easier for everyone to vote. It doesn't say Democrats. It doesn't say like you don't want. Will do they'll say, okay, we're going to take away voting areas in places more likely to vote democratic like areas that are have students minorities, etc. Right. And we're gonna put more voting areas in areas that are a rural white people more likely to vote for Republicans. See that would be putting your thumb on the scale Democrats do not do that in this Bill. What they say is we want to make sure everybody can vote. White black Latino rural urban it doesn't matter. Right. Mitch you house like he won't people though, both this is obviously Democrats trying to win elections. Oh, thank you for your admission that Democrats are more likely to win. If people vote in that you've been trying to block that vote your entire career. But finally, we get to the point the last part of his statement that I think is the most important he says this is a solution in search of a problem. So you don't think there's any corruption problem at all in Washington? You know, one agrees with you. I mean every single poll ranges from eighty to ninety three percent saying there's a massive corruption problem in Washington, and it needs to be addressed. Now, the reason Mitch McConnell says that because he is the single most corrupt person in Washington and probably the single most corrupt person of my lifetime. Now, it's not to say that he's as personally corrupt as Donald Trump who runs to bits scams, and as a con artist or Duke Cunningham, by the way, these are all Republicans who went to prison for his corruption at center, right? But on a systemic level that affects the whole country. No, one defense corruption as much as Mitch McConnell knows. He is the head of the swan. So he is worse in that sense than Donald Trump. He is more corrupt. He's more the swamp. So if you are looking for patient zero in why Washington is a disgusting corrupt cesspool. It is Mitch McConnell. Yeah. Yeah. And the issue is I mean, you mentioned a couple of individual things that are in there that are indisputable. You can't actually go on the record saying that you're against that. Because it seems ridiculous. But we don't get to do that. There's no forum to say, okay, Mitch McConnell here. Fifteen elements of it. I want you to say if you're in favor of against individual. So we don't get to do that. He if he runs again, he he could skip the debates if he wants to it's probably safe enough Republicans have given up on doing town halls for literally like at least two years now they've decided that they're not going to do it because the people actually go. Yeah. Exactly. And and they're apparently is little price to pay for being on the antipsychotic of the should we be a democracy? So this is why this is there's little price to pay because in order to face the consequences. The public needs to know like there needs to be widespread. Outrage over the fact that Mitch McConnell is in favor of corruption and that he refuses to allow the Senate to even vote on this. Right. So here's here's everything played out the way that it was supposed to play out. Like, let's keep it real house. Democrats knew that Mitch McConnell would block this legislation. And I think what they were planning on doing or what they were banking on was, okay? He is going to refuse to do a vote on this. And then the media is going to cover it. And it's going to make the Republican party look really bad because it appears that they're in favor of corruption. Right. But here's what I think. Democrats House Democrats got wrong. They. Forgot the fact that the media doesn't care right. The media is not making a big deal about this earlier this week on NPR, a guest came on to talk about the Ilhan Omar controversy, and she made the argument that you know, Democrats really wanted a lot of focus and attention on HR one. And now everyone's distracted by this Ilhan, Omar story. No. But you're in the media, they're distracted by the Ilhan, Omar story because that's all you've been focusing on. Right. So look the American people don't get the information that they need right. The gatekeepers of information still exist, they push out and really amplify the stories that they want to amplify and stuff. Like, this it actually impacts every single American and undermines our democracy doesn't really get much play. So look this is a good moment to give credit to democratic leadership. Because HR was really good in all the main thing we care about on this show, overwhelmingly so's policy or. Are you pushing good policy or not? But they always find a way to, you know, get. Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory because so how so in this case, I'm going to back up Anna's point with a little bit more detail. So because we want to be constructive. So how else could they do it? It's easy to criticise. Right. Well, what creates a lot of media coverage policy? No the media hates policy discussion because they'd have to say like if they had to discuss the essence of this Bill. Well, you know, wrench McConnell is corrupt. He is protecting the donors. So for example, now they can't ever say that because they do political correctness. They don't want to give you the truth. They wanna give me politically correct things. Republicans and Democrats have honest disagreement, though, they don't Mitch McConnell wants to protect his donors. And he's filed several cases in court protecting the identity of the donors, etc. Disclose act as a part of this legislation. It doesn't say you can't legally bribe politicians we have now it just says tell us who's bribing you above ten thousand dollars. Okay. It doesn't use the word bribe. That's the rest of you. We all know. Conservatives don't everybody knows that. It's a bribe. But that's what he doesn't use that language. It says just tell us who your donors are Mitch McConnell and the chamber of commerce and all the big business interests. Like, oh my God. This would make our first amendment rights limited. Wait, first of all speech is the money. But okay, fine, the supreme court's corrupt to, but why would it, but it's not limiting you right to spend the money, but it would embarrass us, and it would make us a little bit more reluctant to buy off politicians. What why are you a barrister? If you think it's your first amendment rights. I'm not embarrassed about forty eight policy positions. We screaming from the rooftops. The reason you're a Baz is because you know, you're buying off politicians for your own personal interest. That's why you're embarrassed. See? Now, the press can say that they can maybe say it a little bit more polite than I am. But they could ask a very legitimate question. Anytime a Republican comes on, sir. What would be the harm in anyone knowing if a donor gave you money for your candidacy or for an issue or gave money for advocate? If they believe in those issues like making sure that Americans have lower wages shouldn't they be proud of those policy positions. Why do they want to hide? But no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna call it even so how can Demings now back to constructive. Hocken Democrats fix this problem because the media is not going to voluntarily help them. Again. You said about helping them it's about covering it. Right. Okay. You can cause a controversy. This the media doesn't like policy, which it doesn't they love controversy. So why does it always fall on us to do what the Democrats should be doing on their own Nancy Pelosi after passing HR one should a call the press conference saying Mitch McConnell will not introduce it in the Senate because he's the most corrupt politician of our lifetime. Now, she did that what would happen controversy controversy. Oh my God. It was personal Nancy Pelosi sniped on McConnell. Let's all cover cable news. We'll rush to it. Right. And then we might accidentally have a conversation about wait. Why is Mitch McConnell corrupt? Wait a minute. He wants to hide the identity of all the donors. Why does he want to hide their identity? Wait a minute. These guys can give millions in fact when the big business guys billions of dollars the politicians and then get exactly what they want. That's the conversation. You wanna start? So h one is a terrific start. But you've gotta finish it. You gotta continue that conversation. And if you don't he's just going to kill it in the Senate, he's going to drown them. But it's by the way, I will say this though, it's not gonna be that easy for them that press conference normally McConnell, like he never gets ruffled in any way, shape or form. He's always like very boring placid it's center that was his animated as he gets. Okay. Believe it or not. Why was he using such strong language? She normally doesn't normally like we're gonna win. You guys are gonna lose. We have all the money. Whatever this press conference is over. Okay. So in this case, he's like, no. This has no chance this ARCHE. Okay. Why? Because there's a lot of Republicans who are up for election next time twenty twenty and they're worried vote against an anti corruption Bill, and he Mitch because American people don't want that. People are what broker Upson are you mental? That's why you've got senators in Colorado and all these other places Lisa Murkowski and Alaska already had proposed something similar to viscose act before. And so he's going to if they put it up for vote. He's gonna lose some Republican senators, and he's actually a little worried at my pass. Yeah. He's definitely scared. And you know, the Republicans up for reelection are also concerned that money and politics could hurt their chances of getting reelected. So they're worried about outside money pouring in to defeat them. And so we'll look money and politics works both ways. Right. They might take advantage and exploit that corruption, but that same corruption can come back to bite them. And so that's part of the reason why some of those Republicans in the Senate wanted to pass this legislation, and I look in that sense, the stiers sources, there's so many others, right? The Republicans always just point them because they're Jewish but on the are. Are those democratic donors are in a sense accidental American heroes now what I take their money out of politics too. God damn right. I would I'd take everybody's money out. Cope others Mercer source. Bloomberg doesn't matter. Okay. But since the Republicans are now a little scared of that money from the left billionaires left wing billionaires. Now, all of a sudden, well, I mean dark money politics. I mean when it was coming to me, I kinda loved it. But now it's coming against me. And I'm a little bit of a panic here. Right. And so that blue twitched they got going is wonderful to see I love the smell of corrupt politician panic in the morning. And so that's kind of where we are sweaty. Yeah. I would I would imagine. So so all the democratic donors keep going keep going if the Republicans are going to give you give in that. And and so. If you guys want to come to a deal where we're taking all the money out of politics. Let's do it was do it tomorrow wolf dash back dot com. So we gotta take a break. Let's do that. Sorry. I just I did it. Stopped at your international woman's day. Stop talking. No, actually, I was actually worrying that he was going to keep talking something we break. All right. We'll be back when we come back. What do we have John? A lot of news Joe Biden. Is it was is Joe buys hoping to get there quicker? But that backfires okay is Joe Biden racist drops devastating course from the past. We'll talk about. All right back on the young Turks. Let's read some comments for you guys. Dro- sauce in the members section says, I love how quick to you. I t's to correct themselves when they report something incorrectly. Why thank you choices. Of course. More Democrats would win elections were centre-left country that has our votes suborned and stolen by gerrymandering. Matthew says McConnell do declare would never want to get it for this was passed. Okay. I added the accent. I assumed it Ron says Bernie becomes president. I assume he becomes head of the Democratic Party, hence, he could make it mandatory for all democratic candidates and incumbents to not take corporate pack money. No, unfortunately, he can't he could lead the way he could strongly suggest that they do that. And he would have lead, by example, by winning without corporate pack money. But he cannot unfortunately mandate it could change some of the DNC fundraising rules, like Obama did initially. But he can't do it for candidates. That's right. Tommy too, strong writes in. Or already a fun name, by the way. Pelosi can't call out Mitch by name. She lives in a glass house, hashtag Justice stems. Well, that's an interesting point in a made by a lot of the viewers, by the way. And thank you for all being members and participating in the show TY T dot com slash joined become a member in last two ones from Twitter Vernice writes in. Yes mcconnell. It is a power grab. But for the people, which is by the way, nearly exactly what Rasheeda to leap said. In response McConnell. So that's your thinking like her. That's good ten Ruken writes in NPR's coverage of this entire week was both establishment corrupt nauseating for mill Han, Omar to Venezuela to providing cover for all the Republican bad behavior. Are you still in their corner, Anna how and why sorry I was tweeting to Mark dice who is exploiting my family suffering to make his stupid talking points. So I did not hear anything that. You just said I was pretty sure that was the case. Okay. Don't worry about it. Yes. I'm right on up here. We can move forward. No, no, hold on though. Hold on. Now. I know what that was about. Mel look NPR has commentators on it. And then they have reporting and more importantly NPR more than any other mainstream media outlet I've ever dealt with is willing to have progressives on to make their case NPR's, the only place that's been willing to allow me to come on and make my my case aggressively. So and not punish me for it later. So that's why that's why I like NPR. I'm just keeping it real with you guys them and Larry King or only people that have me on all the time. So. Oromos any progressives. So that's a fair point. All right. Let's keep them. Okay. Let's do something fun. We all know that Joe Biden has a long history of saying controversial things making gaffes on certain issues. He's got a troubling history. And so we knew that as we got into this potential run again in the democratic primary. Some of these things would be popping up and this week. We've got a big one. And this comes from Biden's interviewed by the people paper back in one thousand nine hundred seventy five he was talking about racial integration via busing which was at the time a controversial issue and his position on it was passionate. So we've got a few quotes from him. Here's what he said. Are you not by the concept popular in the sixties, which said we have suppressed the black man for three hundred years and the white man is now far ahead in the race for everything. Our society offers in order to even the score we must now give the black men ahead start or even hold the white man back to even the race. I don't buy that. Okay. Let me be clear about a couple of. Things on the one hand this quote was from a long time ago, and I think that's super relevant. But on the other hand, I want you to know he at the time he was a United States Senator. So he was the sixth youngest Senator ever elected. And and that was a seventy two so he's three years into his term here. When when he's making these comments, he's not fifteen or anything. Yeah. That's right. And and and the comments are bad trying to segregate black America's into. In to the rest of the country at that point was not trying to hold the white man down. I mean that is that is definitely cringe-worthy. If somebody said that today, they'd be done. They'd be in the Republican party. They present on the anti-hate Bill. Yes. That doesn't mean that people can't change. Okay. Of course. So we're going to have two different discussions here. How bad are these comments? And then is that still buying today? But the comments so far, really bad. Yeah. Well, it gets worse. So he says we've lost our bearing since the nineteen fifty four Brown versus board of education desegregation, case to desegregate is different than to integrate. I am philosophically opposed to quotas systems. They ensure mediocrity. This is probably the worst part though. The new integration plans being offered a really just quota systems to assure a certain number of blacks chicanos or whatever in each school. That to me is the most racist concept. You can come up with. I mean, I come up with some more. Yeah. Well, raise up, but it goes Trump would say hold my. Yeah. What it says is in order for your child with curly, black hair Brown eyes and dark skin to be able to learn anything. He needs to sit next to my blonde, haired, blue eyed, son, that's racist. Who the hell? Do we think we are the only way a black man or woman can learn is if they rub shoulders with my white child, can I skip ahead to the first part of the conversation about how bad these are. They're they're terrible. They're very bad. Extremely bad. Yeah. Come on. And later he went on to say, they you're going to stunt their children's intellectual now referring to white kids, the children's intellectual growth by bussing them to an inferior school. So which one was Joe is it that hey, suggesting that black kids need to go into white schools is racist. Because it's saying that they have to be next to white people in order to learn or is sending your kids to black schools like totally unacceptable because those schools are clearly inferior. Yeah. See you see the the problem there and the dichotomy. No, the the reason why they had the busing the reason why they wanted to integrate was because it wasn't that schools that black kids go to are by definition inferior and the ones that white kids go to are by definition spirit. No, it's because they had given funding to the white schools, and they were really good and he'd given no funding to the schools that had black and Latino kids in them. And that's why they were miserable. So that's why bind. And the other white people did not want to send their kids to the school that they had defunding. Right. And they didn't want to give more funding to that school. They wanted to keep it for their kids. And then the very idea not only the white kids. Go to the bicycles down me that was a nonstarter. And if you want to be quote unquote, fair dome, okay, back then people were on fire on this issue. And I don't know who is with people more were more racist than seventy five or they're more racist than Trump era, but back then the idea of sending your kids so black school even for so-called. Liberals was like, hey, look I wanted to Gratien this basically what all of what binds closer going to us. I'm a liberal. I want integration. But not with my kids. Right. I'm not sending them to a black school, those are terribly inferior. And I'm not gonna fix them. Either. Don't get me wrong. And and then, but you sending blankets semi school. Even that's a bridge. Too far. I don't want it. So these comments are bad real bad. So let me had a little bit of context before we launch into the discussion. So spokesman for Bill. Russell said Bill. Russell spokesman. For Biden said Joe Biden is today and has been for more than forty years in public life. One of the strongest the most powerful voices for civil rights in America is long commitment to civil rights has repeatedly been recognized by many of the most important civil rights organizations in America. And to that end, some leaders of civil rights organizations have said that they consider him to be an ally. So with all of that, what do you think? But Bill roosa- roosa- also said that Joe Biden still does not believe in bussing. Yeah. That's true. So wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I'll give you a last piece of context. And then we'll judge okay. Okay. In court. Yeah. So look of all the different things that were done to integrate bussing was probably among the very among the top of most controversial now that doesn't mean that was the most wrong. It was the most controversial because people get really touchy about their kids, understandable that part's understandable. But why right in this particular case there like biz I just told you you're going to bust my kids to crappies inner city school. Yeah. But then let's lift it up like, let's make those schools better. And if they were integrated all the schools would be better. And now Rousseau turns around and says again, buying spokesperson says you see that Joe Biden said that the busing wouldn't help fix the problem of lifting up minorities in this country, and it hasn't been fixed. So he was right. No, no. He was not right. No because we never bothered to fix and fund those schools in other areas, and and kinda just briefly mentioned that we talked about a study. I think. Here showing that or. The I guess desegregation, effectively not by law. But in practice is actually on the rise in a number of different areas of America now. Yeah. Yeah. And the last piece of contexts is could Joe Biden have been real segregation is on the rise in a lot of areas of the country. Who Joe Biden have been reelected back, then so his election would have been in seventy eight in when he made these comments of seventy five he was halfway through his term. If he was in favour of busing is a good argument to be made that he would not have been reelected, even in Delaware. So keep that in mind for whatever it's worth now Lallas move onto how bad is it today, and how much Joe Biden changed have to add one more thing before we get to that discussion. It's quick look one of the biggest issues facing public schooling throughout the country is the way that these schools are funded. So I know that the LA USD has tried to mitigate this issue and not rely as heavily or solely on property taxes. But in the majority of districts throughout the country property taxes are used to fund the school. So if you live in a wealthy area, obviously the property taxes are going to be much higher, which means that you have more resource. Sources for the schools in that neighborhood, if you're living in a neighborhood, I if you're coming from a lower socioeconomic status, and unfortunately, most of the time these are minority individuals you don't have as much funding for your schools because you live in a poor neighborhood with less in property taxes. So we never have a discussion about that. Right. We never have a discussion about fixing that problem. It is a systemic problem that we just continue with because I don't know why. I don't know why. I've talked to people who are good on other issues. You get to the funny of the schools, and they're like not with my kids. No way, no way, I'm going to give maximum amount of money for my kid's school. And if other schools don't have enough that's their problem. Sound my problem? I don't live there. I live here. Okay. You don't live on an island. You don't live on an island for all the people out there who think of everything in this individualistic way. You don't live on an island. You will suffer the ramifications of your own ridiculous ideology and mentality. If you only think about it, as it's me mine mine, my kids, my kids my kids. Well, okay. I'll give you an example what I experienced today. The homelessness issue is so bad, right? So bad because the housing crisis is so overwhelming in areas of Los Angeles that there are homeless people. I live in a good area. Right. But there are homeless people living in tents on the sidewalk in a so-called. Nice part of LA this morning walked to the side of my building. And homeless people are defecating on the side of the building because they have no place to go. So if I'm selfish, and I want to say me me me me me, and I'm gonna live in my nice neighborhood. You're nice neighborhood means nothing if there's a huge population of American suffering living on the streets, and they have nowhere to go. Like, you're. Not going to enjoy your life. If you continue on with that mentality. Conservatives talk about limousine liberals and ninety eight percent of the time. It's total horsecrap. It's people with money actually, doing good in the world. And they are trying to shame them from doing good, which makes no sense. But in this one case there is a little bit of an argument to be made. So I'm not letting the concerns off the hook. They're even worse on this. But we have done segregation on a almost a deeper level now, and we made it more sophisticated and a lot of liberals went along with it. And how do we do that? We said, okay, we're going to have private schools and charter schools and all the wealthy folks, including the rich liberals took all their kids out of the public schools and put them into private schools, and and then, you know, drained all the resource out of the public schools now the public schools in places like LA and New York are a disaster why because the rich kids aren't there anymore. So we left them to die. Right. So now, we got re segregate to John's earlier point. It's a disaster. Nobody's doing a damn thing about it. Let me ask you a question sort of to launch a sin. How significant is this a little hypothetical for you? What would the reaction be like if Bernie had said all of these exact things? That is a great point. I would be outraged. This is outrage as I am right now. Oh, I know. But. You'd be consistent. But I'm saying react. Oh, so Jon, I I don't know why didn't think of that. But that's such a wonderful point right now, they'd be declaring his candidacy over everybody on cable news. This would be the top stories swamp anything else, and they'd all be saying Bernie Sanders is obviously racist. Then you what a terrible person, and we know it and he's got to get out of the race. He's got to get out of the race. Now, you want me to show you what Bernie Sanders was doing not even at that time. But even earlier so while so this is important context. While Biden is saying, no, not with my kids. And I don't want him next. The black kids Bernie Sanders in nineteen sixty three. So twelve years earlier that Biden's comments earlier, right? When there was even worse racism were segregation was doing this. Let me share graphics twenty-seven. I so that's him getting arrested for protesting in wanna know, what segregation he demanded that the university of Chicago integrate the buildings that they own they did. Projects to trick the university into this discriminating against black people because they were and they proved it by sending him Blackie a couple I they'd get rejected then they're sending a white couple. Bernie Sanders helped organize that back when he was a student, and then went to the university and said, you're busted, we knew you were racist. And then he did sit is to make sure that they segregate their buildings, and then he changed himself to two African American woman to make sure that the kids in the schools would be treated equally because they were giving in Chicago. There were having the kids black kids going to little trailers that had no recognition and no heat in the middle of Chicago winter and had rats in it me all there was three hundred eighty Mt. White classrooms, Chicago. That's when he chained himself and said, no, you gotta get equal funding to African Americans in Chicago does he get any credit for that. Almost none in the media. Instead, they pervert it like he has the race problem. Twelve years later bind is going around saying, I don't want my white kids. Thanks, the black kids. And it's a story. It's not a massive story. Okay. So that's important context. Now, but we are not going to make the same mistake as a mainstream media. We're going to be fair. Look, do I think Bernie Sanders policies today are better than Joe Biden's ES. Okay. Does that mean I'm going to judge by unfairly? No. And so I am mixed on this story that is cheeses crisis over forty years ago. Right and forty four years that's a long time. And by has done a lot of great things for civil rights since then. So if you think this is the only thing Biden stands for that is not fair. Okay. And people change. I mean, we've gone over this thousand times on the of course, they can as he showed that he's changed in a lot of ways. Yes. His spokesperson coming out today and saying he's still against busing. Whoa. I didn't see that coming. That is not one. It's not. Politically smart. And but more importantly to if he's still believes that and he still thinks that integrating is like quotas. Then I go back to then he didn't change. And then that's terrible. Right. The correct way to have reacted to this. And I would hope that he would mean it is that he should come out and go let me explain why was wrong back then and goes through. Why thought what I did why it's the parts that I think are wrong, and if he thinks some parts all right, then he should defend them. And what my current day positions are and then talk about his history and helping civil rights along in the Senate that would be the right way to handle it. So far just saying. Oh, yeah. We were right about bussing. I didn't. I'm surprised at how poorly that Biden is handling this Agri. So I, you know, I don't know. What do you guys think do you? I mean is this a game ender is that's strong? I mean, it's a terrible thing. But it is forty four years ago. Yeah. It is forty four years ago. That's a long time. I I agree. He the next time. He's interviewed and look if he launches his campaign this weekend. He's going to have a big sit down interview. He's going to have a CNN townhall. Ten minutes later. This has to be asked. I'm sure that it will be asked that the first debates in June and July will be asked and we'll have to evaluate what he says about that time and what he thinks. Now what policies he's putting forward and look because he's he's talking there primarily discriminate against African Americans have pathetically. The that's the community. That's going to decide that it's not on me to decide whether it's been long enough or anything like that. But it's our job in the media to make sure that people know important things about these candidates, and and in a time when all these questions are being asked to Bernie Sanders about reparations and things like that. He's not the only person that has a position on that or related issues. I mean, we all agree that what the mainstream media is doing in painting. Bernie Sanders is having a racial problem. That's not even true. I mean, it drives me crazy. Did you know he lost South Carolina overwhelming? Yeah. Did you know that? Seventy six percent of Americans had no idea who Bernie Sanders was in two thousand fifteen when he ran again began to run for president. He had no name recognition. If you don't give that context come on and the Clinton family with a positive image in the African American community that didn't that's an enormous factor is have you leave all that stuff. You're purposely smearing Bernie Sanders, and if you smear him and you glide past this for Biden, you betray your bias. But again, I'm we also have to make sure that we're being straight up here. Right. And so because we like his Sanders policies better doesn't mean we should be unfair to buying so, okay? Last thing, Anna, what do you think how bad is it? I think it's pretty bad, and while his views might have somewhat changed. I mean, he's still disagrees with the busing policy. So I I'm not like, maybe his rhetoric has changed, but his policy idea hasn't really or as policy position hasn't really. Changed? I think what's far more important is to look at his record. And you know, he's been in power in one way or the other either in congress or in the executive branch and has had the ability to influence a racial tensions here in the US. And so what has he really done? I mean, he's referred to as an ally. But what has he really done police shootings involving unarmed? Black men blew up in the news during the Obama administration did the Obama administration do enough to address that. And I I love the point that you made John it's not really up to us to forgive him. Or not I think it's up to the black community to take a look at his record. Take a look at what he said in the past and make a decision for themselves. It's not on us to forgive him. But I I'm not I'm I'm definitely more critical than you guys. Are I'm just keeping a real. And of course, the Latino community to and finally look, the one thing we all agree on is binds gotta come out Nassar this at some point. And so that'll help you decide whether you think he's pass it or not because those comments are clearly very, very problematic. So it's he can come out and say it was forty four years ago. Here's my real opinion. But he's got to do that. He doesn't just get him pass from anybody. If he doesn't address the issue. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna take another break is we got a lot more where that came from Chelsea Manning is now might be arrested again, we'll tell you why. And man you talking about not getting enough credit? Absolute American hero. All right. I'm going to get back into it. We'll be right back. We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks. If you want to get the whole show and more exclusive content while supporting independent media become a member a TY T dot com slash joined today. In the meantime, enjoy this free second. Back on the young Turks chink, Anna John with you guys. I'll do the best. I can there's a thousand comments here jam brass from the member section says writing off someone's toxic ideas, simply because it was a different time racist the efforts of progressives at the same time who did not have the toxic Leafs common for that time. So great point. Jim thank you for writing in on that logo says a lot of people are saying that it was forty four years ago. So it doesn't matter. However, we are here to choose the best candidate who do we choose the guy who had racist policies in the seventies. Or the guy who literally marched what they're oppressed in the seventies. Great point. Okay. And MandA Krueger says integration is so important because it makes it impossible to targeted school for lower funding based upon race. We know we have an institutional cultural problem with race integration. Takes the wind out of the sales of it's three for three guys all excellent points and. Arrow dynamic eighty eight and Twitter says this is Biden super super predator comment. Not good. It's actually worse. Yes. Significantly worse. In one of the reasons I wanted to make sure that we covered this is like for everybody in the media seems to believe, oh if Biden runs he's got this. He's just going to take like cake walk, and and there was a news report earlier this week. It was like Biden is still second guessing because he thinks people might be critical of him. Like, what do you think should happen? Of course, we're going to and the only reason that this stuff didn't come up in the past times that he ran for president because he never did that well if he had become the front runner people would have been digging through newspapers and C span and stuff like that. We're just getting started with that that's gonna happen for everybody. But Joe Biden is going to have decades of that that's gonna come out. If he had run in twenty sixteen you know, how quickly Hillary Clinton would have found those quotes and put them out. Oh, she would've devastated him with those quotes as she would not have had anywhere near the fair discussion, which is that she's just now he's racist racist racist racist. We gotta get rid of the Obama photo that they put out. Yes. Anyway, why don't we turn out the big news? Yes. Okay. Chelsea Manning was taken into custody. Once again today this time for refusing to testify before a grand jury investigation. She is saying that she is not going to cooperate with this. And is once again being persecuted judge Claude h Hilton federal district court in the eastern district of Virginia ruled that manning must stay in civil detention until she testifies manning had vowed not squad Brittany investigation. Even though prosecutors granted immunity for her testimony now on Twitter. She put out a statement about why she is doing what she's doing and said, I will not comply with this or any other grand jury imprisoning me for my refuse. Zyl to answer questions. Only subjects me to additional punishment for my repeatedly stated ethical objections to the grand jury system granaries questions pertain to disclosures from nine years ago and took place six years after an in-depth computer forensics case in which I testified for almost a full day about these events. I stand by my previous public testimony. I will not participate in a secret process that a morally object to particularly one that has been historically used to entrap and persecute activists for protected political speech. Now, there's a lot about this investigation that we don't necessarily know as she was looting. There's a lot of secrecy. But the case is apparently part of a long-running criminal inquiry into WikiLeaks and its leader. Julian Assange, the dates of the Obama administration in which the Trump administration revived manning said on Thursday that prosecutors on Wednesday had asked her a series of questions about WikiLeaks before the grand jury, but she had responded every question by saying that it violated her constitutional rights. This is fascinating. First of all, it's devastating. The fact that Chelsea Manning has been taken into custody. Over her refusal to testify in this incredibly secretive grand jury situation. But it's also fascinating in that the Trump administration revived, you know, this case against WikiLeaks. And we had a reported on this earlier when there was some evidence to indicate the Trump was planning to or at least the federal government was planning on doing this. And this is more evidence that this is going on. It is top secret. It is sealed. We there's no transparency, and we don't know the details of it. But they're going after Julian Assange, and I'm just curious, you know, would Julian Assange his opinion is on all that. Pretty sure it's strongly against it's but yeah. On the other hand. Anyway, he did seem to be fairly supportive of Trump and other instances, let's put it that way. So we leaks and I have had disagreements about that. And and about the timing of the release of of the emails that they did I cover those emails. I think there was nothing wrong with releasing them releasing them a couple of hours after the Hollywood access tape was interesting. They claim to be fair to them that. No, it was the Clinton people who released tapes before they rely. They knew that they were going to weaken lease was going to release the emails. Okay. So you can look that up and and judge for yourself which one is right about that. But part of the reason I tell you that now is despite whatever disagreements we might have it's an absolute outrage to try to prosecute WikiLeaks over these leaks. At in the first was when I'm talking about emails this prosecutions of the warlocks for this is what Chelsea Manning leaked. That's why she went to prison for seven years, and it is to show the war crimes that we committed in Iraq and Afghanistan wish. She did was a services country. Weekly publishing them is what any decent meteoric station could have done and should have done. And by the way, did do others did. Yeah. After Wiki leaks publish them for which I have always offended him one hundred percent and continue to defend them one hundred percent on then the Washington Post New York Times guardian, they all printed them. So should we send them all the jail? So let's be clear about this. I mean, the New York Times is printing a lot of things that were leaked to them through official channels through people working in the government. Should we run them all up, and by the way, are you? Tempting Trump right now. No. But the thing is you have to understand that if you say, it's okay to arrest, Julian Assange or to go after leaky Wiki leaks in this instance, you better be careful for what you're signing up for. I know the Democrats and MSNBC cetera have demagogued around. Oh, he says they'll like, no, no. I know you had nothing to do with it. Right. It was a science that cost you the election, but because of all that propaganda and the Republicans hated him in the first place. So now the whole establishment says it's all a scientists fault. But once you agree to arrest assigns, then don't cry later when Trump rounds up Washington Post, the New York Times reporters because you're saying anyone who prints government secrets should be arrested. You've destroyed freedom of the press if you agree to that. No. I was saying I don't watch as much capable as a lot of people. But as of right now, I haven't seen anyone pushing for that. And at least the reason it was revived is because people in the Obama administration felt like well, look, obviously, we're frustrated by all this, but we don't necessarily like the precedent that could be set. So that's why was made dormant and needed to be revived later on. And I was going to say could you think of anything more unjust than Chelsea Manning being dragged back into this after already serving one and a half Paul manafort's in prison? Obviously, there's a lot of injustice center systems, you probably can't think of something. But Jesus leave her alone. Right. Well, I mean, what are you hoping to prove at this point? Maybe they. You think there's something that we haven't seen yet some other crime? But like how I was obviously frustrated as you were at the time with Obama in saying, you know, we're looking for we're looking back at the war crimes and things like that. But there comes a point when you can stop looking back on something that we've already been through all of it. Whatever damage you think was done was done a decade ago at this point. I I have a question about all of this. Because in this case in this new case, I guess they granted or said that they would give Chelsea Manning, immunity, if she testifies cooperates, but immunity for what I mean hasn't share already served her time for for your implicating herself in other crimes, and they don't even necessarily have to think that she did commit some. They could just think it's possible. None of this is the government punishing its enemies. This is the government targeting freedom of the press freedom of speech. So all the right wing who scream about freedom of speech when they want to say racist things are you behind Chelsea Manning are you behind? Julia. Assange are you talking about that injustice the freedom of speech today because I don't see you well to be fair. Jank Ben Shapiro is gonna start defending Chelsea Manning. Once he gets done protecting Ilhan, Omar. Right. And once he gets done cashing, his checks for the only speech. He cares about. Yeah. So now, look I'm going to go further. I want to give you a quote from Edwards stone. He tweeted his grab fourteen guys. And and obviously he released a secret government information that also let us know that our government was illegally spying on us. Of course, no one suffered any legal consequences for the legal spying. But they're looking to punish the person who told you about the illegal spying, so stone tweet it out Manafort, forty seven months for a lifelong carnival of criminality, including by the way, betraying America and being a foreign agent portrays zero days for treating the country's highest secrets for more favorable biography. Manning's thirty five years. Years for revealing evidence of actual war crimes to the press. You're sentenced derives from your proximity to power absolutely one hundred percent, right. No true words of ever been spoken. Yeah. So the judge in manafort's cases like, but he was an upstanding citizen. Otherwise, what do you mean? Otherwise, it was he was a lifelong criminal and he hit his criminal. Proceeds he hid the fact that he was a Ford agent, but he just has a nice Ceuta from the money that he stole. And so you think oh that's a guy that looks like me Chelsea Manning, not a person that I would run into the cocktail circuit. Let's crush her. So now, let's turn it demanding for a second in that regard. The incredible bravery to say these are war crimes, I'm going to risk everything to expose those war crimes. And then she has put in prison. She's continually stripped naked for no reason portrait by the by every international standard put in solitary confinement for no reason for things like having a magazine that everybody else had and the list goes on and on so after suffering that brutal treatment and then finally being released from prison. She risk going back to prison on principle. I do you know anyone that brave? I don't know that I know anyone that brave. So I think Edward Snowden, and Chelsea Manning will go down as amazing American patriots, and heroes and the people who today speak out against them will bear market history. As people who did not believe in America, and our constitution and later, they will pretend to have been on their side all along. And that's what they do. Every time the bad guys in history. Do terrible things and oppose the good guys. And try to crush the good guys at the president. And the later go. Oh, I was I was always with Martin Luther King. Oh, I believe that you shouldn't judge people by the color of this scale, like Martin Luther King said so later these hypocrites will turn around and pretend that they were on Chelsea Manning side all along. But where are you today when she needs you, and and look Oba, yes, I say one of the best things he did was commute the rest of Arthur. Thirty five year sentence on the other hand he pursued her to the ends of the earth. He pursued Snowden to the ends of the earth same with WikiLeaks. Yes. He made the case dormant, but he didn't close it. He didn't close it. He used espionage act against reporters for stories. He didn't like his administration like all other administrations leaked or that ever pursued or they people in power ever put in prison for those leaks of government information. No, never never. But if it's something damaging the government go crush, the powerless go crush the brave go crush patriots. So they pursued a science to the end of the earth as well. And because he didn't close that case as usual with Obama, and he will want the Obama did not like was being challenged. Wait a minute. How dare you? Everyone of the press has to say how great I am. And if you challenged my government, I will open a case against you. And I will pursue and he left that door open. Now, Trump walks through that door, and is now trying to crush, Assange Wiki leaks. Anyone else that would ever give you information about the government, including Snowden, and Chelsea Manning? Those are the heroes. And in this case, the government as usual, unfortunately, are the ones that are looking to oppress us and take away rights if we don't fight back on this all of freedom of the press is in grave grave jeopardy, and these right wingers who who go against these people are with them when his convenient and then turn on them in their time of need. You think the government won't then use that power to take away the rights of right wing blogs. Depends on who's in government. Right. Then you'll panicking. Oh my God. Freedom of speech, freedom of speech. I wanted to say racist, bigoted, sexist, things freedom of speech. I didn't know they were going to do this to me. Yes. This is when you fight you fight for people doing the right thing, whether you're left wing or right wing Chelsea Manning indisputable American hero. All right. We're out of time. Look, we got a whole other hour coming up for you guys. And then now our post game where Friday post game is. Are you believe among the most fun that we have at this network? So TY T dot com is joining to to get the third alley. Young Turks today D dot com slash trial for free leak of trial. I want everybody check out John's amazing show damage report. It's on every day. It's our morning show. And if you're a member, you get to watch it live get to watch the video, but but all of you guys you can watch clips at Facebook dot com slash the damage report. TY T so go book market, check it out. Thank you, John. And we've got another great guests when we return.

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Mitch Part 4: 'Not A Happy Choice'

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Mitch Part 4: 'Not A Happy Choice'

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from frame bridge. They make custom framing easy and affordable frame. Your art in photos at frame bridge dot com or visit their new stores located on fourteenth street and Bethesda row. Get fifteen percent off your first frame bridge order with code NPR. Hey, I'm Kelly mcevers and I'm Eric mental, and this is embedded from NPR in the summer of two thousand sixteen. It was pretty clear that Donald Trump was going to be the Republican nominee for president by June. He had upset or insulted so many different people though, there was a lot of doubt that he could actually win a general election. He didn't salted Mexicans, Megan Kelly, the pope he said, John McCain, wasn't a war hero mocked, a reporter with the disability failed to denounce a former KKK grand wizard proposed banning all Muslims from entering the US and said a federal judge whose parents came from Mexico could not be impartial in a loss. Suit against Trump university because Trump was promising to build a wall to keep immigrants out at the same time. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell happened to be on tour for his memoir the long game. You've heard us, quote from the book in this series to promote the book McConnell was doing a lot of interviews and interviewers wanted to know what Mitch McConnell thought of Donald Trump, and it was clear McConnell was not happy with Trump's behavior is outrageous, and inappropriate, and couldn't more strongly condemn that. This is Mitch McConnell, with Judy Woodruff on PBS after Trump and tilted the judge whose parents immigrated from Mexico, if he doesn't back off. What are the implications needs to back off? Plenty of things he ought to be talking about rather than taking shots at Americans because of their ethnicity. It needs to stop. And yet, it's on the same book tour that McConnell says despite how frustrated he was. But the guy he was going to support him the choice for many Americans is not a happy choice. This is McConnell. I'm Bloomberg's masters in politics, podcast. But this is the choice. And I think for me, and I hope for a lot of others. The question is, do we want four more years, just like the last eight or do we want to go in a different direction of all of his obvious shortcomings? Donald Trump is certainly a different direction. And I think if he is in the White House, he'll have to respond to the right of center world, which elected him. And the things that we believe, in I'm comfortable supporting him. It's pretty obvious. He doesn't know a lot about the issues you see that in, in the debates in which he's participated and host Betsy Fisher Martin is like way. If Trump doesn't know a lot about the issues, then are you going to be comfortable with him? Nominating someone to the supreme court because remember whoever won the election was going to get to fill an empty supreme court seat a seat that was open because Mitch McConnell refused to hold the vote on President Obama's nominee merit garland. I know what you go with Hillary Clinton. It'll be somebody. Moderate justice. No. Not at all. Oh he's hot. We started record pretty closely. He always comes out on the left McConnell says he has no doubt that Trump will nominate a conservative Justice. It's almost like relax. I've got this. But then at one point, the host asks question that is a lot of people's minds. Is there a line that he could cross that you would decide you couldn't support him and I'm not going to, to speculate about what he might say? Or what am I do, but I think it's pretty clear. I've been very clear publicly about how I think you ought to change your actions. And that's what we're going to see. Trump did not change later in the campaign. He insulted a Muslim gold star family. He encouraged Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's emails, and then just a few weeks before election day. The access Hollywood video leaked. We're Trump bragged about sexually assaulting women and for a minute people thought Trump was doomed and Republicans in competitive elections, rush to condemn the comments calling them, offensive inappropriate outrageous. Demeaning disgraceful? Indefensible and impossible to justify Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell called on Trump to quote apologized directly to women and girls everywhere, after this, though. Mitch McConnell essentially goes quiet, even after Donald Trump is asked if he will accept the results of the election winner lose. In other words, if he will respect the constitution, and he refuses to say, yes, I want to hear for Mitch McConnell. I wanna hear from Paul Ryan. This is Howard fine minute. MSNBC. Live post-debate panel. Especially for Mitch McConnell who considers himself a constitutional statesman. And somebody protects the integrity, the system, I want to hear from him on what Donald Trump said tonight, but we did not hear from McConnell and almost three weeks later. Donald Trump won the election. Republicans kept their majority in the Senate Mitch McConnell kept his job. The job. He says in his book he had to for decades. Can you characterize how you see the Senate majorities relationship with president elect Trump? Is it to be a partner is to be a facilitator of his agenda? We look forward to working with him. I think most of the things that he's likely to advocate. We're going to be enthusiastically for where we have differences of opinion expected, discuss them privately and not sort of hashing them out in public. Mitch McConnell has spent a lifetime learning how to win. It's what we've been reporting on this whole series. How used his lack of charisma to his advantage, how he wasn't afraid to make enemies, and how he worked the system to further his and his party's interests. And he's still doing all of that only now with Donald Trump, this unpredictable anti-establishment president and together. They arri shaping the country in ways that affect us all. That's our show today, the unlikely politician and the most unlikely of presidents after the break. Support for this podcast and the following message come from atlassian today, nearly anything as possible, and if we can dream it teams can build it from going to Mars to decoding the human genome atlassian is a collaboration software company powering teams around the world products like JIRA, software, confluence, trello, and bid bucket. Help teams plan track build and work better. Together atlassian products are free to try easy to set up and work seamlessly together. Get started today, atlassian dot com. Evangelical 's play an important role in today's politics. But how and when did this religious group becomes so political this week on through line, the history of evangelical 's in America through line, from NPR the podcast, where we go back in time to understand the present. Okay. We are back and before we can get to Trump and McConnell's relationship we need to go back. Back to the first time many people heard of Mitch McConnell, six years before, Trump got elected, during an interview in two thousand ten Senator, Mitch McConnell did an interview with national journal, it, he said, quote the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one term president. Mitch McConnell says our goal priority, politically make this a one term president. How do you go? What about governing, forget it? I mean, the next two years, there isn't going to be. Mitch McConnell says the one term president, quote was taken out of context that he went on to say, I don't want the president to fail. I want him to change. Basically, that if Obama's views on things closer to McConnell's he would be willing to do business with him. But for most of Obama's presidency, McConnell did not do business with Obama. He and other members of his party did everything they could to block things like ObamaCare and to block, many of Obama's nominations to the federal court and probably McConnell's most notable act of obstructionism was after supreme court Justice, Antonin Scalia died McConnell refuse to hold a vote on a bomb his nomination to fill the seat. Maryland valley with covers the courts for slate. He announced within hours of Justice Scalia's death in February twenty sixteen that no one was going to fill that seat. It didn't matter who the person was people thought that was a day, shis people thought it was shocking for a moment. Everybody said this is never been done. Before this can't happen. And he just stuck to it and people will just exceed to it over time. And that's exactly what happened. If you believe that this is a fight to the death all the norms fall away and then see if people can live with that. And I think that that's been Mitch McConnell's ammo long before they were Donald Trump in. The thing is Mitch McConnell supreme court move ended up being very good for Donald Trump back in two thousand sixteen when some Republicans were worried Trump wasn't conservative enough this, according to outcross, who has covered. Mitch McConnell for decades has been our guiding hand throughout the series. There was a considerable reluctance among evangelicals. And religiously oriented conservatives to accept this guy, this objectionable person as the nominee of the Republican party, once they saw there was. Policy to be accomplished. Through that election. They said fine. So I asked how how instrumental he thought that was to getting Trump elected, he wouldn't have been elected without. Unselected one of the first things President Trump did not even two weeks after the inauguration was nominate a conservative Justice to the open supreme court seat Neal Gorsuch. We are gathered here today for a truly momentous occasion in our democracy. The swearing in of a United States Supreme court Justice at the swearing-in ceremony Trump was sure to acknowledge McConnell today. I, especially want to express our gratitude to Senator Mitch McConnell for all that he did to make this possible. So thank you. Mitch McConnell had gotten what he wanted a Republican president, a conservative supreme court Justice. But it became clear pretty quickly that the Donald Trump of the campaign had not gone away. And as one of the most powerful people in the country, Mitch McConnell, was going to be expected to answer the question if Donald Trump crosses the line will you stand up to him and that was never more pressing than after Charlottesville? It was August two thousand seventeen President Trump said there were very fine people on both sides of a white, supremacist rally and Mitch McConnell. Did not criticize Trump the way he did on book tour. He did not say this needs to stop what he did do issue a statement quote. There are no good Neo Nazis, and those who espouse their views are not supporters of American ideals and freedoms, the statement rebukes Trump's remarks, but does not have Trump's name in it. It doesn't even mention the president. We specifically asked Mitch McConnell why he did not mention the president, and he did not answer why he said, messages of hate, and bigotry are not welcome in Kentucky and should not be welcome anywhere in America. In January of twenty nineteen it was McConnell who became the focus of many people's anger. At Washington people, including New York congresswoman, Alexandria, Cossio, Cortez. We went to Mitch McConnell. Where we went to the Senate cloak. Hashtag wears Mitch. At the time the country was in the middle of this big crisis. President Trump, when it congress to authorize five billion dollars for a wall at the US Mexico border. And when he didn't get that funding. He let parts of the federal government shutdown, you might remember this Democrats in the house kept passing bills to reopen the government without the border wall, money and the Cossio Cortez was saying the Senate should vote on these bills too. But the Senate majority leader who gets to decide what the Senate votes on is. Of course, Mitch McConnell, he says there will be no vote, so Cossio Cortez and some other new congresswoman, walk the halls with cameras following them trying to deliver a letter to McConnell asking him to call the vote. Several times. Senate. It's Mitch McConnell a call on he's not in the Russell building. He's not on the floor of the Senate, and eight hundred thousand people don't have their patients. So where's the shook now belongs to Mitch McConnell? Donald Trump started it and Mitch McConnell is doing everything he can to keep it going for Donald Trump voted nine times to reopen the government Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell refused to take any of those measures, he and Donald Trump responsible for those eight hundred thousand people who are not working who are working are not being paid. We should say McConnell's reasoning here was why should I pass a Bill that I know the president will veto McConnell within two thirds of the Senate to override a presidential veto, and it's not clear. He had the votes. What was clear is he did not want to go against the president shutdown ended up being the longest in history? Thirty five days Trump, eventually did agree to reopen the government saying congress head three weeks to figure out how to fund the border wall. But that did not happen. So Trump went around congress declared a national emergency. So he could get the money to build the border, while anyway. And Mitch McConnell, who has long been on the record as being against shutdowns Mitch McConnell said, no more government shutdowns didn't think it was a smart idea to thirteen. He called them a losing strategy, and who has been against presidential overreach under President Obama. He said executive orders were undemocratic action. He's proposed would ignore the law would reject the voice of the voters. A man who many people say believes deeply in the institution of the Senate of opportunities. President Trump got on board. And I've indicated him that I'm going to prepare go to support the national emergency declaration, McConnell, told us quote, there was and continues to be a clear border security, and humanitarian crisis on our southern border McConnell, embracing the national emergency was one of the most uncharacteristic things he has ever done. This is out cross again because he isn't 'institutionalised. He knows there's no national emergency. He knows that if congress were to exercise its proper role, it would counter man that emergency declaration. But he's running for re election. So the institutional concerns fade very quickly. The fact that Mitch McConnell is up for re election in twenty twenty Al cross says is the most important thing to understanding mccombs relationship with Donald Trump. Because in Kentucky, Donald Trump has an approval rating around fifty five percent. Mitch McConnell's approval rating is around thirty six percent according to a morning console poll back in April. He certainly as prime directive right now getting reelected in Kentucky. And because Donald Trump is very popular in Kentucky. That means not getting too much distance between himself and Donald Trump. L cross has one way McConnell has been able to keep winning in Kentucky despite his unpopularity is that he adapts where he sees the party is going. And right now in Kentucky at least party going with Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell himself likes to say if you don't win you have to go home. You don't get to make a difference. Here's propublica journalists, Alec McGillis, who wrote a book about McConnell for Mitch McConnell, winning his all at the end of the day is all about what you can do to set yourself up to win the next time, and that's true to some degree of all politicians all candidates, but it's more true of him than anyone. Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump don't have a lot in common but they do like winning and the first two years of Trump's presidency. They tried getting legislation passed and had mixed results. But there are ways to change laws that don't involve legislation. Here's McConnell on conservative commentator. Hugh, Hewitt's radio show on wooded comprehensive tax reform thirty years ago. It lasted four years. What I wanna do is make a lesson contribution to the country. That lasting contribution to the country after this break. I'm Karen deafen. This is ref. Translation from NPR in our next episode. We continue the story of a hostage rescue operation recruited this impromptu rescue team. The team finds new clues. You know, exactly who is they sit down with ISIS share and they try to figure out who they can trust. We were almost warm with each other less than end. Subscribe at this time on rough translation, okay? We are back if you were to walk into the Senate chamber, these days, it is highly unlikely you would get to watch any actual legislation being passed. What's more likely is that you'd see Mitch McConnell standing at a podium doing one of his favorite things reading list of nominees to the federal courts Howard Nielsen of Utah? Stephen Clark of Missouri Carl Nichols of the district of Columbia and Kenneth bell of North Carolina. A lot of these nominations are possible, because Mitch McConnell and other Republicans, but years blocking. President Obama's nominations to the same seats and now that Republicans control both the Senate and the White House. They have been incredibly efficient at filling, these vacancies vacancies day impart helped create. We hear a lot about the nine justices who sit on the supreme court, but the vast vast majority of federal cases are heard by other federal judges just below the supreme court at the appeals court level. There are spots for one hundred and seventy nine judges, and a level below that the district courts there more than six hundred seats for judges and these appointments have the potential to change. A lot of things that people care about immigration criminal, Justice reform, the environment voting rights, the first amendment religious rights. Most of those issues are decided in federal courts, Jessica Levinson teaches at loyal law school, people, sometimes say, you know what if I was a one issue voter, which should be my one issue, and I always say the court, it's not just the supreme court, but it seemed tire federal branch that really matters because they make decisions that impact people's daily lives the way it works is President Trump's ends names of nominees to the Senate and the Senate has to. Vote on whether or not to approve the person who decides when these votes happen is, of course. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell and lately, he has been pushing through a lot of them, the record-breaking pace is a significant victory for conservatives and for Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell. He's made confirming judges, his highest priority or than twenty percent of circuit court. Judges are now Trump appointees, that's just two and a half years by many accounts. Mitch McConnell has been more willing than most majority leaders to change the rules for how these nominees get through, for example, these things called blue slips which used to allow a home state Senator to decide whether a nominee got through now. Those are gone for some nominees and American Bar Association ratings hit were sort of stamp of approval saying, whether a nominee was qualified to be a judger, not those matter a lot less. Now, Trump is nominated six people who were deemed not qualified three of whom have. Gotten through though, to be fair conservatives, have long thought the ABA ratings favor liberals and just recently Mitch McConnell voted to change Senate rules again, so that rather than having to debate these nominations for thirty hours, each now they only need to be debated for two hours McConnell's explanation. He says, historically, there had been more bipartisan agreement on these nominations. And now the Democrats are using those thirty hours to slow down the process, and that to me is almost the central hypocrisy of Mitch McConnell again. This is propublica journalist, Alec McGillis. He presents himself as this great 'institutionalised, this person who is loves the Senate, Senate history and Senate procedure. But at the same time, he is done more than anyone to degrade, the, the norms of the Senate in it's so completely at odds with his alleged desire to be the guardian of this. Institution when we asked about this McConnell pointed out, that Democrats have changed the rules to these appointments. They have been a big win for both Mitch McConnell and for President Trump more than almost any other issue, it is the thing they have United on because these are lifetime appointments, and several of these nominees are only in their thirties and forties. Mitch McConnell is making sure conservative judges will be in place for decades. Here's McConnell on Hugh, Hewitt's radio show. Again. So the administration thing, a lot of attention to not only whether they're construction us, which we think is important, but also trying to find people as young as fossil. I remember one week few weeks ago, we can confirm to thirty seven year old woman for the fourth circuit, thirty nine year old mount for the six ochre told us confirming judges is quote, clearly, the most long lasting contribution. We can make to the country. He's in the process of entirely reshaping one of the three branches of our government, Jessica Levinson? Again, even if President Trump was impeached tomorrow, removed from office the next day, we're gonna feel the effects of his presidency, potentially even for generations to come. He knows that this is his moment. And I think that's why he's essentially decided to become as friendly as possible with President Trump. That's right. USA and Hello, Kentucky. Thank. Richmond, Kentucky, thousands of people, a big university Coliseum. It's just before the twenty eighteen midterms and President Trump is stumping for Republican running for congress, but there is another Republican Trump wants to talk about, and I'll tell you something, we have a man, one of the most powerful men in the world. Okay. Comes from Kentucky's up at. Gotta respect. He heard about this. I want to be there. He's one of yours. He's joining us tonight. Mitch McConnell in a suit is waiting off stage. I know tough people. He's tough these Kentucky tough, which is about his. He stared down the angry left-wing mob. He never blinked. They never looked back. And he got us a man who will be one of our great great supreme court justices. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell come up. This rallied was just ten days after Brett cabin out with sworn into this report after Christine Blasi Ford accused cabinet of sexual assault and accusation cavenaugh denies. Aren't we proud of President Trump? Watching this. Now. I can't help but think of Mitch McConnell back in the seventies. The unlikely politician, who was just starting his career. He didn't have grand policy. Visions didn't make stirring speeches. But as he learned when he was running for student council in high school. He knew he had to win over the popular kids, get the support of the people that mattered union members Ronald Reagan. Donald trump. Just add extra President Trump, and Republican Senate eighty four new federal judges already this congress. That's all. Record. Mr President keeps sending them our way, and we'll keep confirming them and trains. The court system breath ever. Thank you for being here. Thank you. And Mitch is it drew fighter for Kentucky loves this state. And, you know, we'll be running together in twenty twenty that'll be a lot of fun. The other day I noticed that phrase Trump used about Mitch McConnell. Kentucky tough is now the banner on McConnell's reelection Twitter account. Across says, once McConnell decided to do business with Trump back in two thousand sixteen. He also had to decide that a lot of the other stuff that Donald Trump does and says it's going to have to be okay. I think one of the most important things McConnell has done is normalized Donald Trump. He treats him as an entirely legitimate president someone who's behavior. I'm sure he had whores, but never says anything about that publicly let's half to case like Charlottesville and then doesn't even use his name in the written statement, Donald Trump is not a normal president. But Mitch McConnell has done a lot to make him seem normal. Largely by not talking about the abnormal things. Kind of always been talking about a lot of other things lightly more than he usually does he proudly calls himself, the grim reaper for leaving the Democrats bills to die by not bringing them up for a vote in the Senate. He says the proposal for Washington DC Puerto Rico, statehood is full bore socialism. And when congress held hearings on reparations for African Americans McConnell said, slavery was so long ago, it would be hard to know who to compensate Americans dealt with the original sin of slavery. He said in part by electing Barack Obama. And on a recent visit to Kentucky someone asked him if the supreme court seat came open, again close to the next presidential election. What would you do? What do you keep it open the way he kept Scalia seat? Open village. Oh, we'd fill it Democrats were outraged. Critics said it was the height of hypocrisy. But McConnell said now that he and the president are both Republicans. Unlike when Obama was president filling the seat would be fair game. Al cross says he was not surprised by McConnell's comment. It was pragmatic Trud, unyielding McConnell. He has watched for years, but there was something about it that did surprise him an uncharacteristic bit of emotion. The gave a little smirk before he gave the answer. We've feel it. I think he was quite pleased with his ability to manipulate the process and plays that he is in the position that he is to drive that process. I think that's what the smart was about. Mitch McConnell's memoir, the one he was doing all those interviews about when Trump was winning the primaries it ends in twenty fourteen. I'm connel's reelection. The election that put him in the position of Senate majority leader running the one place, he'd always wanted to work. These are the last words in the last chapter one rice was over. But another had just begun to turn the country around to restore the Senate. I've been preparing my whole life and I was ready. This episode was written by Eric mental and me and produced by Eric with help from Tom drives Bach and Lisa Pollock. It was edited by Mark amendment endured Walsh, legal help from Steven Sandberg. Our researcher is Suzy Cummings huge. Thanks to NPR congressional correspondent, Susan Davis theme song is by Colin Wms, Ganz, additional music by Ramtane, Arab Louis and blue dot sessions. The audio you heard of the shutdown Mitch McConnell's Kentucky office came from the Louisville courier journal. Thanks. Also, to Tonio farrier, Josh homme, Scott Jennings. Christopher shula. Ryan Kalina Christie, Dima cinnamon how Vicky Martin and all the great people at Louisville public media, Aleka McGillis book is called the cynic Mitch McConnell's book is called the long game Al cross directs the institute for rural journalism and community issues at the university of Kentucky. You can read his columns in the Louisville courier journal subscribe to this podcast. If you have not already hit us up on Twitter at NPR, embedded and come back next week for more when you finally will get to here. From the Senate majority leader himself. Two guys that people in politics want to make a point. Those wanna make a difference. I wanna make a difference. That's coming up on embedded from NPR.

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Why Joe Biden Needs Mitch McConnell to Govern

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04:56 min | 7 months ago

Why Joe Biden Needs Mitch McConnell to Govern

"Presented by raytheon technologies our nearly two hundred thousand engineers researchers and people with purpose are building the future today. We're pushing the limits of known science to go deeper into space advance aviation and build smarter defense systems that protect all of us here at home. That's the future of aerospace and defense. Learn more at rtx dot com. Why joe biden. Needs mitch mcconnell to govern by philip elliott more than anyone in the cabinet or elsewhere on the west wing seating chart one figure above everyone else will determine the success of the incoming biden administration. Senator mitch mcconnell. The republican leader is a master of washington's levers of powers whether he remains the majority leader by winning one of the two ongoing races georgia or whether he retreats to minority leader if democrats can win both peach state playoffs mcconnell will still have enormous sway over what unfolds in washington obviously should republicans hold onto the majority. He alone can set the schedule of the senate and turn the entire biden agenda into a mortgage proposals but if democrats win the majority and barring serious break with senate rules to scrap the procedural filibuster mcconnell can still gum up action by withholding consent. That's why all eyes are on the relationship between mcconnell and biden to septuagenarians who know their way around the senate and it's arcane rules. Each leads a party whose basis far more animated than he is inclined to be. Mcconnell is deeply conservative but not prone to the theatrics of the donald trump era. Gop likewise biden overcame skepticism from his. Party's left flank by simply arguing and proving. He was the most electable democrat on the field. Both men will start thousand. Twenty one on defense mcconnell's party will be defending twenty senate seats. The following year and biden knows first term. President seldom do well in their first midterms. Even in his victory speech biden paid heed to looming negotiations and warned his most liberal supporters that they may not get their wishlists. I believe that this is part of the mandate given to us from the american people. Biden's wilmington delaware. They want us to cooperate. In their interest there are reasons to see the contours of compromise on the horizon. After all mcconnell used biden as a back channel to the obama white house for eight years when things got tough president barack obama and biden his ceremony offices at the capitol to figure out a deal especially when it came to government. Funding republicans on the hill despised obama. But saw biden is one of them. There is a reason. Get joe on the phone. Is shorthand for time to get serious in my office. Mcconnell said in two thousand sixteen biden understood when to show deference to mcconnell. Who knows as he did then how to keep his caucus in line biden seldom tried to snipe any stray senator through lobbying which made negotiations between the pair efficient if impersonal in return mcconnell knew the power of gestures during biden's final days as vice president mcconnell passed a six point three billion dollar cancer research bill and renamed. After biden's late son bo biden. Mcconnell was upfront about his desire to make obama a one term president. There's little reason to believe. He'd like to see biden via to termer to this point. Mcconnell has yet to acknowledge biden's victory instead paying fealty to trump's chase of longshot. Legal challenges so as not to poke trump's mugabe's shame after all isn't really mcconnell's thing he had no hesitation denying obama's third nominee to the supreme court hearing let alone a vote as a result that nomination passed a trump in two thousand seventeen part of mcconnell's longstanding desire to reshape the federal benches for a generation. The first test facing the duo will around of coronavirus relief. Mcconnell has dug in so far in refused to budge on negotiations which has now taken over from treasury secretary. Steve mnuchin house. Democrats initially saw three point five trillion dollars but came down to two point four trillion dollars. Mcconnell is more comfortable with about six hundred fifty billion dollars biden has said he likes house democrats plan although anything is possible. Further down the line. It's not too far. Fetched to imagine some level of compromise on an infrastructure package a clean energy proposal criminal justice reform and now that the house is no longer under the control of the freedom caucus an immigration. Overhaul that passed the senate in two thousand thirteen but fell flat on the other side of the capitol any senate where mcconnell holds. Even a shred of power is likely to reject biden's proposed tax increases on corporations and the super wealthy but it's not impossible to imagine some compromise on smaller ticket changes to the tax code. But don't break out the fancy pens for white house signing ceremonies just yet. Obama himself scoffed at the prospect of a biden mcconnell collaboration in an interview with the atlantic to promote the first volume of his presidential memoirs obama seemed to mock the optimism about the idea in washington. Right now mitch. Mcconnell is not buddy buddy with anyone. I'm enjoying reading now. About how joe biden and mitch have been friends for a long time. Obama said before making a distinction between friendship and familiarity. They've known each other for a long time. Biden may not fully appreciate the difference but mcconnell shirt does.

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Jane Mayer On How Mitch McConnell Became Trump's 'Enabler-In-Chief'

Fresh Air

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Jane Mayer On How Mitch McConnell Became Trump's 'Enabler-In-Chief'

"From whyy in Philadelphia. I'm terry gross with fresh air today. The enabler in chief. That's how Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell is described in Jane Mayer's latest New Yorker article. We'll talk with mayor about how. Mcconnell has thrown his support behind the president and allowed trump to diminish congressional power in spite of the fact that trump and McConnell are opposites in several ways sources. Tell mayor that. Mcconnell doesn't even like trump she says McConnell's refusal to rain and trump is looking riskier than ever for McConnell and some critics argue that McConnell bears a singular responsibility for how the virus has spread killing Americans and decimating the economy later. Tv critic David Dooley will review. This Sunday's series finale of homeland and the return of the series penny dreadful support for this podcast comes from the Neubauer family foundation supporting. Whyy's fresh air. And its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation. President Trump's enabler in chief is Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell according to a new article by my guest Jane Mayer in The New Yorker. She writes that McConnell's refusal to rain and trump is looking riskier than ever for McConnell and has cost him the respect of some powerful pupil who have known him. The longest McConnell has been Senate majority leader since two thousand fifteen and was minority leader from two thousand six to two thousand fourteen. He's now running for his seventh term and the race appears to be very close. Jane Mayer is the New Yorkers chief Washington correspondent covering politics culture and national security. Her latest book is the two thousand sixteen bestseller dark money. The hidden history of the billionaires behind the rise of the radical. Her Article enabler in chief is in the April twentieth of the New Yorker. Jane Mayer Welcome back to fresh air. You're right that some critics say McConnell bears a singular responsibility for the predicament. We're in now with the corona virus because McConnell knew from the start that trump was not equipped to lead in a crisis and McConnell protected. Him anyways give us a couple of examples of how McConnell has protected trump. Well I think the thing that people notice the most is that during the impeachment hearing during the trial in the Senate McConnell was instrumental in making sure that there were no witnesses who could testify against president trump and that really saved him in many ways. So that's one of the main things but I think if you stand back one of the people I interviewed in the story who I think made a terrific point. Is Bill Kristol the conservative? Who's now become an anti-trump voice and what he points out is that trump is not managing to stay in power only because of his base. He's there in part because of the moneyed interests that are keeping him there. He's there because big donors are supporting him. Many wealthy finance people are supporting him. The editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is supporting him. The Fox serve empire of Rupert. Murdoch is supporting him. There are elites powerful elites who are keeping trump in power and the connection between trump and those elites is often the Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell. Who has a terrific sort of connections with the big donors and the big money in this country? What are some of the things? Mcconnell could be doing to correct the president's falsehoods misinformation lies contradictions that McConnell hasn't called out trump. For what could he be doing to prevent those kinds of misstatements misinformation from being constantly reiterated among other things he could be speaking out he could be himself a voice that corrects the president when the president is wrong but also under the constitution? The Senate has a separate function. It's not there simply to enable the executive branch to hold power? It's there to be a check on the executive branch so what the Senate is not doing is performing oversight. A simple example of that is there are so many positions now in the trump administration. They're being held by acting members of the administration who've not been subjected to confirmation by the Senate instead of raising a stink about this and insisting on the Senate's right to confirm and consent to these appointments McConnell's just rolling over and enabling the administration to keep all of these acting people in place without any kind of confirmation which gives them the president tremendous power over these members of his administration because they don't have their jobs in full they're just they're at his behest That's just one example. But there's all kinds of oversight that's not being performed. I mean there are many allegations of corruption. In the trump administration. Ordinarily the Congress should be holding hearings on that and looking into it Demanding witnesses from the administration come and testify. The Senate is not doing any of that kind of role and it's also not legislating for the most part it is simply doing one thing that McConnell really cares about the most which is Confirming judges president trump has usurped some of Congress's power. He issues executive orders like the travel ban tariffs. He declared a national emergency in order to transfer federal funds to the border wall. He's block congressional subpoenas. He didn't cooperate with the impeachment inquiry. As as you pointed out so he's decreasing the power of congressional oversight as you pointed out and I've been mystified about why Mitch. Mcconnell has accepted that why he hasn't opposed the limitations that trump has basically put on Congress. The power trump has taken away from from the Senate so you mentioned that President. Trump is appointing conservative judges. And that's going to be one of McConnell's chief legacies when he leaves office that's been one of his goals as conservative judges. But are there other reasons why? Mcconnell is allowing the president to limit his own power to limit McConnell's own power as Senate majority leader. Well two reasons principally one is that. Mcconnell is in many ways getting everything for his donors that his donors want You know he represents the big money in the Republican Party and The donors are getting tax breaks as was evident in the two thousand seventeen tax bill where eighty percent of the large s in that tax. Bill all the goodies went to the top one percent of earners in the United States. And there's also if you take a look at the agencies he's going along with all kinds of deregulatory moves. That are good for the big money in the Republican Party. So he's giving his donors what they want. The donors then provide money for him and his Senate allies to get reelected there. So there's that sort of backscratching system going on and then the other factor is just that like the other senators Mcconnell is afraid of the Republican base. He's afraid to cross it because he's afraid that it will hurt his reelection chances. And if you look at Kentucky. President trump is far more popular in Kentucky Than Senator. Mcconnell is and so when he takes on trump as he has once or twice in interesting ways over the years particularly in in the summer of two thousand seventeen. You can see McConnell's own popularity ratings drop because the Republican voters in Kentucky want him to support trump and so he has a choice of saving his own skin or standing up on principle. And what you can see that he's doing is choosing his own his own political self interest. Instead of standing up for the country and for democracy. Some people have told you you know that people who've worked closely with him that McConnell doesn't really like trump and that he doesn't believe trump is competent to hold office but yet he supporting him. What are some of the things people have told you who know McConnell well about what McConnell really thinks of trump this was? It was so interesting. I mean what you find out if you report closely around in the circle That's right around. Mcconnell people who talked to him and people he confides in is that behind trump's back. He says he detests him. Can't stand him. He thinks he's smarter than trump and he has said that trump is nuts and he also has likened trump to a politician who McConnell loathes and. That's Roy Moore The former chief judge in Alabama. Who ran for the Senate and WHO Famously is somebody who McConnell can't stand. He's a demagogue. Who has a very checkered serve personal life? And and McConnell has said of trump. Oh He's just like Roy Moore so so you can see. His eyes are open in a way. You know it's damning in the sense that it shows that he knows better but he's had to recreate this public image that he's supporting trump and in fact he has formed a kind of an alliance with Romp just to keep both of them in power. Basically I don't know if you want to talk about this. But there were two political scientists who I interviewed who have been looking at this phenomenon as a sort of a political theory which they call plutocratic populism. Yeah describe it so that political scientists are Jacob Hacker and Paul Pearson? And they've got a new book coming out that's called. Let them eat tweets and what it talks about. Is this phenomenon that they call plutocratic populism the idea? Is that the plutocrats in the country. The big money Have an agenda in the Republican Party tax cuts for the super-rich and deregulations on polluting industries. And that sort of thing is just not broadly popular and so to win elections. They've got to form an alliance that broadens the coalition to get voters. And so what? They've done is struck up a kind of inexpedient packed with lower educated white nationalists who are attracted to the populist rhetoric that takes on the elites and says the system is rigged and that minorities are getting ahead of them. A lot of the rhetoric assertive tinged with racism. And so you had this strange bifurcated alliance going on where you've got actual elites Some of the richest serve corporate powers in the country having alliance with the people who feel themselves left out and sort of stepped on that coalition is very much represented in these two people. Mitch McConnell represents the plutocrats and trump represents the populists and so they have to work together to get reelected neither of them Scott enough popularity on their own to win an election but if they unite they can win reelection even if they detest each other these political scientists said and it. It seems in some ways they do. Mcconnell is one of the wealthiest people in the Senate and Kentucky is one of the poorest states in the country. There's a really interesting billboard that there's a photograph of in the magazine in the New Yorker in your piece. Do you want to describe that billboard? Yeah it's a it's a billboard with a big blown up picture of Mitch McConnell and his wife Elaine Chao and they're in their black tie kind of going out Regalia and underneath it. The sign says we're rich. How y'all doing and the obvious messages Mitch? Mcconnell and his wife are doing very very well but the state of Kentucky which is extremely poor is not doing well under McConnell's representation in all these years in the Senate for it so it reflection also the fact that McConnell has become one of the richer members of the Senate during these years he was not born rich and he came actually a pretty hard scramble family at least on his mother's side Had MIDDLE CLASS UPBRINGING. But at one point in his life he shed his first wife and announced to friends who quoted in the story by name that he had a plan which was he wanted to find a rich wife. He had a mentor. Who'd married rich and he said he wanted to be like this man. I'm John Sherman Cooper. Who was also a senator from Kentucky said? He was going to look for a rich wife. And the person who told me the story remembering the dinner. When McConnell announced this set and boy did he ever find one and the woman that he found was Elaine? Chao who is an heiress to a very lucrative shaping maritime shipping company that her father founded and built so. I want to get back to McConnell as getting out of his relationship with trump. Mcconnell's wife Elaine. Chao Secretary of transportation is that one of the things. Mcconnell is out of the relationship is I don't mean to ask that in a sex way like she's a woman therefore she wasn't hired for her own ability but It is you know it's mighty handy for Mitch McConnell to have a wife. Who is the Secretary of Transportation? Let's just face the facts here. The Transportation Department hands out tons and tons of grants to every state that allow the whoever's in office to say I brought you this bridge. I fixed this road for you. It's a place where patronage takes place And so it's very nice for Mitch. Mcconnell to have that relationship he's been accused by politico of having set up a situation where his wife is favoring Kentucky giving it more grants than other states There's an internal investigation taking place within the Transportation Department of this. Elaine Chao so people have denied it. Mitch McConnell. Interestingly didn't deny it he made an ad boasting about it. Saying you see I bring you more stuff in Kentucky than anybody else has and what I discovered when I was reporting was that Mitch. Mcconnell was very important in getting Elaine. Chao that job as soon as trump was elected Mitch. Mcconnell was on the phone reaching out to the people in the trump administration saying Elaine Chao would like to be the secretary of Transportation and Lo and behold she got the job you know and another thing about what. Mcconnell is getting out other relationship with trump or why he is not standing up to trump some of McConnell's major donors are reportedly Fox News executives including Rupert Murdoch. And his son Lachlan. Murdoch does that mean that. Mcconnell is reluctant to call out some of the things that trump echoes. Here's on Fox News. Well it it. Certainly is a very sticky relationship in the most recent filing period at the F. E. C. Which just these numbers. That just came out. They showed that four of Mitch. Mcconnell's top five disclosed contributors are executives at Fox News. So there's a working relationship there certainly Fox has all kinds of regulatory Needs and issues that the government can help it with and Mitch. Mcconnell of course wants to keep the dollars flowing to himself so it's a very close in financial relationship there you can at least say that An interesting one. You're that McConnell is losing the support and maybe even the respect of some people who have been close to him a long time some powerful people one of the people you single out here is David Jones. The late CO founder of Humana the healthcare giant and he backed off McCain Senate campaigns and Jones and Humana gave four point six million dollars to the McConnell Center at the University of Kentucky in Louisville in three days before Jones died. He and his two sons sent the second of two letters letters. You describe as scorching letters to McConnell and they share those letters with you. Can you read us? An excerpt of what was in those letters. Basically David Jones senior. The CO founder of Humana who? Mcconnell had actually called without exaggeration. The single most influential friend and mentor. I've had in my entire career after he died. So this is a man who McConnell has said. He's tremendously close to actually had written him to letters along with his sons in which he called on McConnell to do his job basically as the Senate stand up for the Senate stop letting it be a bystander and to use his quote Unquote Constitutional Authority to protect the nation from president. Trump's incoherent and incomprehensible international actions the letter writers that the Jones family argued that the powers of the Senate to constrain an errant or prodigious and it is your job to put them to use. They got an answer back to their first letter to Senator McConnell who they'd known well personally there all from Louisville and the letter back from Connell. Basically sort of was the pat on the head saying. Don't you worry? President trump had one of the finest national security teams that he had ever had the honor to work with few months later. The same people that David Jones senior his son David Jones junior and Dave Jones Juniors Brother Matthew Jones sent another letter pointing out that half that national security team by then had either quit or been fired are in some other way sort of jettison saying. Are you still telling us that? You have confidence in this president and then wrote an even more scorching letter back to McConnell. Saying do something. Basically stand up to this president What's the point? They asked of confirming judges if the Republicans crumbling around it they did not get an answer to that letter from Senator McConnell David Jones Senior Died right around the time it was sent and and McConnell's office has not Responded to requests for comment about this but I think what you see in this. That's to me so fascinating is that these people are not. They are not liberal. Democrats Dave Jones senior was again one of the strongest supporters of Mitch McConnell in his entire career and he is astounded and disappointed in McConnell for not standing up for the constitutional role that the Senate should play and pushing back against the president that they see as kind of ruinous to the country. Mcconnell has also apparently lost the political support of his three daughters yeah He has three grown daughters and one of them. In particular porter McConnell the youngest one who has a I think a graduate degree in political science is actually fascinating to me. Anyway is a progressive activist. She works for an organization called. Take on Wall Street. She runs a campaign there for take on Wall Street. It's mostly labor unions who are pushing back hard against big money in American politics and against the sort of unfair role that they see as the power of the finance community in American politics and specifically take on Wall Street has gone after blackstone the gigantic private equity and Hedge Fund Company Finance Company on Wall Street. Which has been interestingly the biggest donors to her father's political campaigns and two groups that are allied with him so she's really going straight at her father's funding in in the kind of work that she's been doing. That's such an interesting contrast. I have to say that she did not grant me an interview so I was just going from reading online and talking to people who've have worked with her about the role that take on Wall Street is playing but it's hard to find a more sort of diametric bullseye. Hit against her father than some of the things that take on. Wall Street is writing. Let me reintroduce you here. If you're just joining us. My guest is Jane Mayer Chief. Washington correspondent for the New Yorker. Her latest article is called. Enabler in chief. It's about Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell will be right back after we take a short break. I'm Terry Gross. And this is fresh air. This message comes from. Npr sponsor capital one with capital one. A new savings account earns five times the national average. That's five times more savings toward that overdue home edition or maybe even an addition on that edition capital. One is helping you earn more towards your savings goals. This is banking reimagined. What's in your Wallet Capital One? Na member FDIC. Let's get back to my interview with Jane. Mayer the New Yorkers chief Washington correspondent her latest article is about Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell it's called enabler in chief and it's all about Mitch McConnell's career in politics and how he has been achieved enabler of president trump. Jane Mayer is also the author of the two thousand sixteen bestseller dark money the hidden history of the billionaires behind the rise of the radical. Right you describe McConnell as the master of the Washington. Dc money machine and that nobody has done more than he has to engineer. The current campaign finance system in which billionaires and corporations have virtually no spending limits and self-dealing an influence peddling are common. How did he become the master of the DC Money Machine? Well of the things that was astonishing to me was he came into politics around the time of Watergate when there was a sort of a national outcry against corruption and against the role that big money was playing in American politics. There's big pushback going on. And in one thousand nine hundred seventy three. He was part of that pushback. He wrote editorial saying that. Money is a cancer on politics and that there needed to be public funding of presidential campaigns. I mean he sounded like a Liberal Democrat for about two minutes but pretty soon he started running for office himself and when he did his tune changed completely. So that by the mid seventies he was teaching a class in Louisville. It's kind of a night class on politics. And he told his class that were three things that you needed to succeed in politics and he wrote them on blackboard and then walked away to show the three things and the three things were the words money money money and that pretty much has been the theme of his career when I interviewed a lot of people about McConnell's rise what they said. Was You have a man here? Who Very Smart and very ambitious. But he doesn't have much charisma. It's not a great public speaker. He's not especially you know handsome looking or dynamic seeming he's great schemer great long-term Planner. B doesn't have a great public presence in particularly in the south. You need to be something of a showman. And he is not that so he needed money more than most people in politics to win. He was also running as a Republican in the south which used to be pretty solidly democratic. He served rode the wave of the Republican Party. Rising to power in a south and that took money too and so more than most people he's really relied on big money to keep himself in power and to keep his party in power because many of the policies that the Republican Party represents these days really are not if you look at polls popular across the board in the country so it takes other things to kind of keep the party in power. It takes things like big money and it takes things like gerrymandering and other kinds of advantages in the election. System you write that McConnell's former staffers running array of extensively independent spending groups many of which take tens of millions of dollars from undisclosed donors. Tell us more about that. So McConnell's been very involved in trying to destroy all the various kinds of campaign finance reforms that were passed since Watergate all the limits on spending and the limits that tried to disclose money so that the public can see where the money's coming from it kind of lead up to the citizens united fight that the Supreme Court ruled on in two thousand ten. That really was the beginning of striking down any kind of meaningful limits on controlling money. He's been involved in those fights in various organizations. He's in favor of more money in politics and he's been pretty outspoken about that and his aides have gone from working with him in the Senate to running many of the outside groups that sort of Vacuum up gigantic secret campaign contributions from the biggest businesses in the country. And you know you can see for instance that they are involved in groups like American crossroads crossroads. Gps and Various funds that help Republican senators get reelected. It's a system that they've built and it's a very powerful system that brings outside money an undisclosed money into getting the Republican candidates reelected. So it's money that gets Republican candidates reelected and in return the elected Republicans helped pass legislation. That favors big money. Yeah I mean it's somebody's described it as a self licking ice cream cone It's kind of a little circular process in a way where you've got aids that work for McConnell Who go off and become lobbyists. They represent the big industries that need favors from government. They give huge donations to get McConnell and other Republicans reelected and then McConnell and other Republicans do the bidding of these companies in Congress. They hold up legislation for instance that might do something about climate change on behalf of energy companies. That don't WanNa see American. Move Away from fossil fuels they hold up change on things like bringing down drug prices because they take a ton of money from big Pharma companies. They would say on their behalf just so we get in how they look at it they would say they believe in these companies they believe these companies are doing the right thing and they're happy to help them and they represent them because these are the people that they think are doing. Good things for America But whatever your perspective on it. What you can see is the the companies get the legislation. They need out of these representatives who have power in Congress part of the story surrounding Mitch. Mcconnell is that he. He used to be more idealistic. You looked for evidence of that and didn't find any I did. I spent months on the story. I interviewed I finally counted. It was upwards of one hundred ten people and I kept looking and looking to try to understand Mitch McConnell. You know what mixed somebody like this tick? Why does he want to hold power? What is he trying to do with it? What larger purpose does he have? What kind of principles does he have? And I kept talking to people to try to figure this out and finally one day I was really kinda racking my brains one day. I was interviewing someone who knows him very very well. And unfortunate can't reveal who this is but the person said to me they could see. I was struggling and the person said. Give up you know. I wish I could tell you that there was some secret thing he believes in but he doesn't and it kind of made me realize there isn't more there and that's what this person was saying. This is someone. Who's who's known him terrifically. Well it's all about winning for him. It's all about holding the power and keeping the power and and there were other people who said pretty much essentially the same thing who've known him for a long time. One of the people who was very forthcoming in the story was John. Yarmuth who is the Democratic Congressman From Louisville Kentucky who has known Mitch McConnell for fifty years and yard himself used to be a Republican back in the days when Republicans were more liberal and he eventually switched parties and became a Democrat but he had worked with McConnell on campaigns when they were both I think one campaign when they were both Republicans and what he said to me was I said was he ever idealistic and Congressman. Yarmuth said to me. Nah He never really was. I don't see any change in him. He said he always wanted to be someone but he never wanted to do anything. It's power for its own sake. Is the picture that comes together when you look closely at McConnell. And that's what he's doing with trump. I mean he's holding the power he staying in power no matter what is going on over in the White House because that's how this this alliance keeps both him in power in the president in power. Well let's take another break here if you're just joining us. My guest is Jane. Mayer she's the New Yorkers chief Washington correspondent and her latest article is about Senate Majority Leader. Mitch McConnell and it's called president trump's enabler in chief. We'll be right back after we take a short break. This is fresh air. This message comes from. Npr sponsor story point wines maker of story point a bold new wine brand with a rich layer taste profile. Enjoy story point wine while you connect with those you love either at home or at a virtual happy hour. Raise a glass and share a story story. Point believes that the stories we share can bring joy even in trying times visit story point. Vineyards DOT com slash. Fresh air to purchase shipping is included in your online order so considers shipping bottle to a friend to we live in a culture that prizes action but now former Surgeon General Vivek. Murthy says it's important to make space to just be simply spending five minutes just listening to the birds chirping or to the conversation around you solitude and ways to overcome loneliness on the next hidden brain from NPR. This is fresh air. Let's get back to my interview with Jane. Mayer she's the chief. Washington correspondent for the New Yorker. Her latest article is about Mitch McConnell and his relationship with president trump. And it's called enabler in chief. Meaning McConnell is trump's enabler in chief Mitch McConnell Married Elaine Chao in nineteen ninety-three it was his second marriage She's an heiress who is now trump's secretary of that's the position. She chose when she knew she would get a cabinet appointment. There are possible conflicts of interest. There when are they well? She would say there are not but her family has a privately owned shipping company that does Seventy percent of its business with China. It's a very lucrative company. It's based in New York earn. Her family are immigrants from China who've become American citizens they're American not Chinese now but they obviously have huge interest in the transportation arena and she is the secretary of transportation so there is the possibility of a conflict of interest there. And as you say McConnell helped smear Joe Biden by allowing senators to insist that the real Ukraine scandal was the Biden families enrichment for their connections with Ukraine's rulers and you say any criticism of the Biden family could be made about the Chow family. Give us some examples of what you mean. Not only could it be made of the family but what fascinated me was the same criticisms that have been made about the Biden. Family have been made about the child's family and in the same book and by the same author who sort of blew up the whole Biden scandal. This is Peter Schweitzer. Who's written a book called secret? Empires and one chapter is about the Biden families wheeling and dealing in Ukraine and the next chapter is about the child's family and Mitch McConnell's wheelings and dealings in China. And so anybody who wants to try to make an issue of this concede that they both have their problems What are the issues in the family? It's very complicated. The New York Times is actually done a fantastic series on this subject. A Mike foresight. Who really understands sort of China in and out has written it and I recommend anybody take a look at that if they want to get all of the details but in a simplistic form Elaine. Chao Sister Angela is now one of the people that runs the family company and she and her father both do at the same time they run this American shipping company. That does so much of its business with China. They have been on the board of the Bank of China which is a state run bank. That's incredibly important in China and Angela. Chow and her father have also sat on the board of a holding company. It's a state run holding company in China that owns the company that bills Chinese warships so it has a very strong connection with the Chinese military. And this is a really complicated and fraught kind of situation for the Senate majority leader in the US. Senate he is not running that company and Elaine Chao Tze not running the company. Her sister is but Mitch. Mcconnell and Elaine Chao have inherited twenty five million dollars of the fortune made by that company so there is a direct connection there and McConnell's sister-in-law Angela who CEO of the family businesses now married to a billionaire. Jim Brier WHO's adventure capitalists with US financial interests in China? Has He supported McConnell campaigns? Yes he has indeed Very strongly so you've got Jim. Bryer is now the brother-in-law of Mitch McConnell Jim buyers well known in the business world. He's a terrifically important and successful Venture capitalist and he is on the board of blackstone the same huge Wall Street finance group that has poured money into McConnell's campaigns so it manages something like a half a trillion dollars so McConnell is very connected in to some of the most powerful business interests in the world really at this point. So you're right about a position that McConnell took that in retrospect is very interesting. Now that we're in in a crisis with the a viral pandemic When McConnell tried to repeal obamacare the affordable care act he introduced an amendment to eliminate the prevention and Public Health Fund at the CDS. T. What is that fund do. And how is it related to the pandemic that we're experiencing now so that fund is money that it's about twelfth of the funding of the? It's almost a billion dollars and Mcconnell himself as you said introduced this amendment it's unusual for the majority leader to introduce an amendment himself but he did to eliminate the funding for those programs. Those programs provide funds to the state States all over the country among other things to detect outbreaks of epidemics and infectious diseases And to respond to them so you can see that there was a you know if he'd gotten his way the would have been even less ability of the states to work against a pandemic like the corona virus pandemic that we're dealing with the Democrats eventually kept some of the funding in there. It's less than two billion dollars that it was It's gone back and forth. Finally the Democrats In more recent years were given a choice of either putting money into that fund or funding cancer research and they went along with the cancer research that that funds been gutted a lot and McConnell the way what was just purpose in doing that he and Republicans have described that fund as a slush fund. They didn't like it. They made fun of it and said it was paying for preventive health measures. They've really been against. They claimed it was paying for things. Like zoom classes and tobacco awareness They they really didn't want to fund these kinds of preventive health programs and they wanted to save money and in fact one of the there's an epidemiologist who is quoted in the story who at the time along with many many health organizations warned. This was a disastrous move if they'd succeeded in wiping out that fund completely. She was saying her. Name's Judy Stone. You know you will not be able to fight back against things like Zeka and any kind of foreign epidemics and she. What she was saying was she felt. It was unconscionable to take that of money and put it into tax cuts for the two thousand seventeen tax bill that went to the richest people in the country and You know it's a question of priorities to that will happen in order to do the cutting taxes for the wealthy you had to make cuts including the CDC. It's certainly true that the two thousand seventeen tax cuts resulted in hugely reduced money coming into the federal government. And if you have to make up for those cuts somewhere you have to look across the board and see what you're going to cut and the thing that Mitch. Mcconnell suggested cutting was this fund at the CDC that was one twelfth of its funding. That's money that goes to the states. Mcconnell is now running for his seventh term as a senator from Kentucky he's running against Amy mcgraff And how's that election looking? Well it's early. It's hard to tell there have been some surprising things about it. Amy McGrath is a former marine fighter. Pilot she's not politically anywhere near as experienced. Obviously as McConnell is but McConnell's Forte's always raising money and so his campaign announced that they'd raised a just an unprecedented amount of money. I think it's something like twenty five or twenty six million dollars already and the next day a McGrath's campaign announced that they had raised even more so she's obviously raising a staggering. Amount of money. How this will come out. It's hard to tell the Cook political report which is You know pretty much the gold standard in analyzing these races gives the edge to McConnell. He's a very tough campaigner. He has a long history of artfully smearing. Any opponent to the point that nobody can stand to vote for them so we will see but right now. She's holding her own in the funding. What's at stake in that election? Well I mean I think what's at stake nationally right now is who will have the majority of the Senate. It was taken for granted. Maybe a half a year ago that the Republicans would continue to hold the majority in the Senate. That's been changed. The Cook. Political report has downgraded the Republican's chances of holding the Senate to a fifty fifty tossup. So it's possible that Republicans could lose the majority in. The Senate could go to the Democrats. If that were to happen it would be a new day in Congress because the Senate as as the story tries to explain is very much enabling Donald Trump's presidency if the senate were to stand up to donald trump if it were in democratic hands it would be a tremendous roadblock to trump's rural. Well Jane I wish you get health and your family is well. Thank you as always for talking with us. And thank you for your reporting Terry so good to be with you. Thank you so much. Jane Mayer is chief Washington correspondent for the New Yorker her article about Senate Majority Leader. Mitch McConnell titled Enabler in Chief is in the April Twentieth Edition of The New Yorker after we take a short break our TV critic. David Cooley will review this Sunday's series finale of homeland and the return of the series penny dreadful this is fresh air support for NPR and the following message come from best fiends. Have more time on your hands. Connect with family and friends and engage your brain with fun puzzles by downloading best fiends. The five star rated mobile puzzle game with over one hundred million downloads. The game is updated monthly so there are always new levels to play events master and cute characters to collect and you can play without an Internet connection download best fiends for free on the apple APP store or Google play today. That's friends without the our best means Cairo's from NPR's how. I built this and each week on the show during this unprecedented crisis. I'll be asking some of the top founders. And builders how they're dealing with the economic impact of the crow virus and hear about some of the ways they're pivoting to fight it subscriber. Listen now to how I built this on showtime this Sunday one long running drama series homeland is ending while another penny dreadful is returning after a lengthy hiatus with an entirely new storyline and focus our TV critic. David Cooley reviews them both. Don't worry I'm not going to reveal any spoilers about the finale of homeland the showtime series that began nine years ago and present. Its final episode this weekend based on Israeli series homeland began as one kind show presenting two characters a troubled government agent named Carrie mathison played by Claire. Danes and an equally troubled war veteran named Nicholas Brody played by Damian Lewis as equally unreliable narrators the unique brilliance of homeland when it started was that it presented to main characters without revealing which of them we should root for or against that lasted for a few seasons and then carry became the central focus of homeland along with her longtime spy Chief Mentor. Saul Berenson played so superbly by Mandy Patinkin this final season storyline has been truly unnerving with America on the brink of nuclear war with Pakistan and the series is about to end the way it began with two primary characters fighting for what they feel is right and with viewers torn about where to place their loyalties. Only this time. It's not Carrie. And brody it's carrie and saul and his homeland ends. It applies almost eerily these times this final storyline is all about facts and getting to the truth and whom to believe among the experts and politicians with many many lives hanging in the balance penny dreadful which returned. Sunday immediately after homeland ends also has parallels to today but only if you think of evil as a virus something that can spread exponential in dangerously and from the smallest of sources the name Penny dreadful comes from a one penny pamphlets popular in Victorian England gruesome fictional and true crime stories. That were like horror movies before there were movies. Sweeney todd the Demon. Barbara of fleet street was one favorite character from the penny dreadful. 's John Logan who wrote the screenplays for Martin Scorsese's Hugo and the aviator and yes for Tim Burton's Sweeney. Todd created showtime's Penny dreadful series as a mash up of period horror stories the series which began in twenty fourteen and lasted three seasons. Found a way to make room for such characters. Dr Frankenstein Dr Jekyll Dracula and Dorian Gray. It was wonderfully imaginative and showcased Eva. Green in a scene stealing mesmerizing role. And now after four years of dormancy penny dreadful is back but like such TV series as Fargo and American Horror Story. It's back with an all new setting and story and with an almost entirely new cast. This new penny. Dreadful edition is called City of angels and is set in Los Angeles in Nineteen thirty eight. It begins the way the first season of true detective did with the discovery of a brutally staged murder scene. It's meant to spark racial tensions between whites and Chicanos. And there's a parallel plot involving Nazis. The detectives on the case or played by Nathan Lane as the veteran and Daniels of Otto as his new partner. The first Chicago detective on the LAPD. The scene stealer in this penny dreadful once again is a woman this time. She's Natalie dormer from game of thrones and here she plays a supernatural villain a female demon who pushes history towards chaos by shape shifting into several different female forms and influencing events by slyly manipulating the people around her as the premise system to a city councilman played by Michael Gladys for example. She encourages both his admiration of dictators and his plans to build the freeway. We'll cut right through minority neighborhoods and probably incite a race riot you'd magnificently today. You are a strong man. Miscellany myself leany pepper. Even there's a fellow wonder the judicious exercise of power. That's right nine. Just have to stay the course and keep quiet. You held public hearings your civic duty required. You've one okay. This first motorway under construction and then start working on another one. Keep Your Transportation Committee Fronton Center. Keep you in the papers another motorway. Maybe bunker help. That's the color NOCERA. What that is is too much valuable real estate. Bill Junkies whores when there is a motorway to be built. What are we going? Where does it matter every role? Natalie dormer inhabits here looks and sounds completely different as she spreads her influence and evil like well like a pandemic. She's the main reason to watch this new penny dreadful but it's also nice to know that this particular strain of evil is not only supernatural. It's fictional David in. Cooley is a professor of TV and Film Studies at Rowan University in New Jersey Penny dreadful city of angels returns Sunday on showtime the same night as the series finale of homeland. Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our Technical Director and engineer is Audrey. Bentham our interviews and reviews produced and edited by Emi Salad. Phyllis Myers Sam Brigger Lauren Crandall Heidi Soman to recent madden moves. Eighty Theater challenor. And Seth Kelly our associate producer of digital media. Is Molly Seavy Nesper? 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How Mitch McConnell is Prolonging the Shutdown, and What He Did to Turn the G.O.P. Into the Party of Trump

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How Mitch McConnell is Prolonging the Shutdown, and What He Did to Turn the G.O.P. Into the Party of Trump

"This is the political seed a weekly conversation with New Yorker writers and editors about politics. It's Thursday January eighteenth, I'm Dorothy Wickham executive editor of the New Yorker. As the government shutdown enters its fifth week, the longest of any in American history. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell continues to support Trump's demand to include funding for border wall in the new budget. Democrats who this month took control of the house of representatives say that the house will reject any such Bill on Tuesday. Reporters asked McConnell, if he'd consider working out a bipartisan compromise that could override Trump's veto a suggestion. He dismissed out of hand. In a situation like this where the president in my view and the right place trying to get the right outcome as all of us have expressed with regard to border security. Of course, not. Alec McGillis joins me to discuss. How McConnell led the way in turning Republicans into the party of Trump, and how democracies become captive to minorities. Who thought the will of the public? Welcome. Alec. Thank you. I wanted to get you on today because I've been reading the book you wrote about McConnell's political rise. And I want you to talk a little bit about how someone so devoid of charisma, and so many of the other typical political attributes became one of the most powerful men in the country. It's true that he is McConnell is remarkably lacking in certificate political skills, especially for someone who comes from the upland south in Appalachia, which is a region that is produce a lot of much more sort of folksy populace types of politicians. He's the kind of person view might have expected not to go into actual campaigning running for office, someone who would you'd sort of be the scenes guy that she staff type the strategist type, but instead he decided to actually run for office himself way back in the seventies. And he's been very aware of his lack of of natural political skills in that has over time led him to compensate for that over the years. Whether it's raising tons of money, so that he would have a lot more to spend than his opponents or whether it's hiring people like Roger Ailes as he did back in his Senate run to make devastating campaign ads on his behalf, but he's just almost to his credit. He's been very. Self-aware about this inadequacy on his part this utter lack of of natural political talent you in the book, you describe Goodman, who I guess was the first political consultant. He he connected with and how he was the first one to shape McConnell as candidate. It's great little story wonder if you could talk about that just a little bit. Yes. I came across Bob lives lives right in Baltimore where I reside now. And he was the guy who I advise McConnell on his on his first campaign, and he and other people who worked with him in those early years were were struck by how incredibly eager almost desperate McConnell was to conform to their advice into their urgings, and how to be a better candidate, and how willing he was to to sit for multiple takes for ads for TV ads and to be molded really into into someone who could be semi plausible candidate for office. He has since the this gentleman has since grown very very dismayed by. It became of McConnell in his role in helping launch him way back then because of course, back in those days, he was a very moderate Republican in the in the sort of the war for the Republican party soul. That was going on on the sixties and seventies. Mitch McConnell was very much the side of the moderates may abortion, right? He's supported comprehensive immigration reform among other shoes. He well, immigration reform was not such a live issue back in that era. So the issues where he was sticking out moderate ground were abortion rights, where he was a staunch defender of Boertien rates in in Louisville Kentucky in the seventies labor. He was he sought out the endorsement of the AFL CIO in in got it in his first race for office and Kentucky the environment. All these issues. He was very much on the moderate end of the spectrum immigration reform came along later course, when he'd already sort of made a swamp to the right? That's an issue where it's been notable. How much he has? Ducked. The issue back in two thousand when George W Bush was first trying to take on immigration form and the two thousand six thousand seven period, it was striking. Just how completely he absent himself from that whole debate. When one of those big bills up into thousand seven he didn't even speak on the Bill until it was clear that it was not going to pass which point he voted against it. And what he have supported it. If you saw that the votes were going the other way. He he may have. I mean, this one gets the sense that this is an issue where he has no real strong feelings about it. Either way in his just very worried about how his votes on. It will affect his own standing and Kentucky one thing to keep in mind about McConnell is that his standing and Kentucky is much weaker than you'd expect for someone with so much power. There's very little affection for him in his home state. So he's constantly much more worried about his own elect reelection prospects than you think for someone so veteran, and why is there that lack of support? I think it has more to do with that lack of of political skill that he's never built up any real reservoir of goodwill and affection just because he's not a very cuddly guy. And so you're just not gonna develop any real emotional tach meant to him. Because what it start to attach yourself to? This week on the New Yorker radio hour anew documentary may provide a reckoning for our Kelly the Aren be star who's long been accused of sexual abuse. So he was at his trial on trial for having sex with an underage girl. And he was cruising eleventh graders on that trial. The hubris will hear from filmmaker dream Hampton. That's the New Yorker radio hour from WNYC studios. Listen, you get your podcast. You told me the other day that McConnell got Trump elected. What did you mean by that? I strongly believe this that Mitch McConnell played a bigger role in Trump's election than just about anyone in this whole bunch of different ways in which he he made this happen. If you go back to his first of all his defense of big money in politics. Mitch McConnell, the one issue. He cares about more than any other is campaign, finance, and and preventing any limits on big money and politics because he realizes that he needs himself needs money to win in his party needs money to win. And so to the extent that he's defended big money in politics. He's played a huge role in discount of distrust that people have for politics because of all the money and politics on top of that he played a huge role in the rise of tea party. Right. The last two years, which Donald Trump and just kind of capitalized on and McConnell. Fueled resentment because by leading such a strong obstruction to Brock Obama just such a cross the board intransigent stance against Obama that the Democrats when they are in power in two thousand eight nine and ten in. So you have Democrats casting these party line votes? You have been disorder of resentful. Right seeing that as you know, quote, jamming things down our throats, and we're off to the races with the tea party so much McConnell health fuel that. But then most directly, of course, he brought us. Trump by blocking Maryland's nomination, refusing to even hear Maryland's nomination, which then for which then gave Republican voters who were very wary or even you know, kind of disgusted with Donald Trump in excuse to vote for him to make sure that that incident Scalia seat stayed with Republicans. And then finally he brought us Trump by successfully blocking frock Obama's desire to make the public aware of of Russian. Interference in the election. So always different ways he really just played in in extraordinary role in putting Trump his objections to a bomb were more than just idiological. You make this point in the book that there would there's this deep personal animus that impart led to his absolute intransigence to do anything that could possibly help Obama. Yes. He definitely saw bama's kind of punk. I mean, this this guy who comes into the Senate in two thousand four and makes clear pretty quickly that he's kind of bored by the Senate, the Senate of courses in Mitch McConnell's mind is you know, the all end all American solution. Mc McConnell loves the Senate of is now done so much to degrade it and all these different ways. But to have this young guy come in into role as is and then be off to the races running for president. I think in McConnell's mind definitely cast Brock Obama as kind of a whipper. Snapper needed to be reined in but more than that. I think the real reason for McConnell's transitions against Obama was more of a tactical thing McConnell figured out that if you completely block everything Democrats are trying to do in create this massive gridlock in Washington and make Washington completely broken. The bad is going to hurt the Democrats far more than the Republicans. So if you make things look completely broken people are gonna blame the Democrats for that. Because they're the ones that should be getting things done there in the White House. Second of all the Democrats are the party that believes in functioning strong federal government. And so if you make the government looks look broken it undermines the whole democratic fluffy. And finally it personally undermines Brock Obama because his whole stick his whole message was that he was going to bring us all together. No, more red and blue America in seal if you can make that sort of obviously fail than you. Visit upon Brock Obama, very kind of personal. Earlier in the image of a personal failure. In twenty ten. George Packer wrote a very influential piece for the New Yorker about dysfunction in the Senate after Obama's election, and he broke then that one of the mysteries was how McConnell had been able to keep his members in line on vote after vote including really moderate members. Susan Collins of Maine, Richard Lugar of Indiana at the time, George Voinovich of Ohio. I just want you to elaborate a little bit more on these kind of strong arm tactics hadn't how he has done that. Well, he was he was very good at figuring out of the trade to keep each individual member in line with in different ways. So for instance, Chuck Grassley was very key person in two thousand nine when the Democrats are pushing ObamaCare if you were called the democrat spent months trying to come up with some kind of bipartisan reform plan. Chuck Grassley are men's pressure from both sides because he's really is friends with for his longtime friends with Max Baucus, the democrat from Montana who's trying to work something out with him around healthcare reform, but the same time he's getting a lot of pressure from each McConnell, not to cut any kind of deal one way that McConnell's able to threaten him is to hold out the possibility of removing him from his sonority from the finance committee. The very powerful committees in the Senate he can also raise the possibility of a primary challenge in Iowa. They, you know, they tried this whole thing out for months all these meetings around trying to come up with some kind of bipartisan deal. And and it all comes to not and not only does it come to not because it's dragged on for so long the longer these things drag out, the more you make the Bill seem in the public side, kind of a tarnished kind of broken messy thing, and that was McConnell's other great intuition that if you can just drag these these things out and make a look like you're working on some kind of deal you're going to drag it way down in public perception. And that's exactly what happened with ObamaCare, but one of the mysteries here to me is this is someone who studies the history of the Senate very closely. He prides himself on that. He has great reverence. He says for this body, which traditionally has worked in a bipartisan way, that's how the Senate is supposed to work. Whereas now, it's normal for a handful of senators sometimes representing maybe ten or twenty percent of the country's population to hold everything up. And he is completely complicit in that. And leading the way he's totally complicit. He is. He has played a far bigger role in this transformation of the Senate into what you just described than anybody. Yes, there been all these different tit for tat that we've had over the last few years around uses the filibuster to block additional nominations, and we can debate until the cows come home about the faults in that whole back and forth. But if you look in quantifiably where this all started who took the structure in the in the use of the filibuster and other blocking tactics to whole new levels. It was Mitch McConnell, and you're absolutely right that he has gotten away with it despite having posed as all these years as the ultimate guard the Senate, and he's gone away with that for many years now in Washington, partly because the press the Washington press has kept kind of buying his line that he is the garden of the institution while the same time. He's he's just been devastating it. It's took me this week. There were these two dramas playing out on either side of the Atlantic Ocean to government shutdown and Washington and prime minister. Theresa May's agonies in London over Brexit. How have two of the world's most powerful democracies? Come to this. So at one level, I think we have to keep in mind that with what happened in both places was kind of a fluke. Donald Trump was elected president through incredible luck of the map sort of how the votes broke down on the map. And of course, with the Mets help of of James Komi in comas letter on the Clinton emails, which believe unquestionably. You know, elected. That'll Trump got elected in practice. Brexit happened. It was close as it wasn't both countries. Because both countries I believe you have a really growing problem of what I called regional inequality where you have these immense concentrations of wealth in certain parts of the country, and there's just incredible resentment resulting from that in other parts of the country in my mind that is the real story that binds together what's happened in England. And here is that we have this real problem of this regional concentration of wealth. Do you get the sense that the Democrats has they sort themselves out for the twenty twenty elections recognize that and are they beginning to explore ways of constructively dealing with it. I believe that most of them recognize it some of them more than others. So you have people share at Brown who who get it very kind of instinctively because they're from the places that are being left behind, and I think and others like. List with Warren, get it at a more kind of intellectual level where she's been leading the way on on sort of a new on reviving the antitrust movement and taking monopoly, and she gets that one of the big reasons behind this concentration of wealth regional concentration of wealth is that we have a concentration of wealth and certain companies. But, but I think other Democrats are still coming around to the slowly twenty Democrats democratic officials also voters still think you can kind of skate by on this problem because Democrats will probably win the next presidential election of now one the house did this Democrats demographic vantage nationwide is going to keep moving in their favor. But what this leaves out is that the Democrats still have a massive problem. The Senate we're gonna have a problem center for years to come which this regional concentration is a big part of you. If Democrats are gonna keep running up their margins in New York in in California. And but as. Doesn't do any good in the Senate? You've already got those states in the Senate, though states bring you as many senators as the Dakotas. So Hugh voters crossing party lines these days, right? So if you've lost the chance to hold sense seats in places like Missouri in Indiana and North Dakota as we saw in this last election, where the Democrats lost although seats, you're it just really really hard to see how you're going to win back the Senate or hold it in any kind of long-term way. Well, you talked earlier though, about McConnell being quite unpopular with his own constituencies up for reelection in twenty twenty what are the chances that he could be defeated? Well, as always he's not as secure as you'd expect them to be the last time, it actually there was a pretty solid opponent there in the state of fairly peeling secretary state McConnell ended up winning fairly handily with just this massive natural that he had which included a lot of dark money that we still don't know the sources of you know, it could depend quite a lot on how things play out with this fight. Now, he really is in a real bind on the shutdown fight because people are getting more and more upset around the country about this complete breakdown. And I could see if someone can run in Kentucky in tap into that. It's just his his utter failure to step up as the country needs to now until the president that needs to back down on this that could be real vulnerability. And he knows it. This is he's a real he's he's in really tough spot. He's worried on the one hand about cutting a deal with the PLO see that could open them up on the right? And he's worried about general election. Challenge tap into people's anger about his not doing his job. Thanks so much. Thank you. Alec McGillis is contributor to the New Yorker, and the author of the Senic the political education of Mitch McConnell. This has been the political scene from the New Yorker, you can subscribe to this and other New Yorker podcast by searching for the New Yorker and your podcast app and find more political analysis and commentary New Yorker dot com. Feel free to rate and review the political scene on apple podcasts. Our theme music is by Russell Espy. This program is produced by Alex, Barron and Hanno Eleni for New Yorker dot com. I'm Dorothy Wickham.

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Mitch Part 3: 'Darth Vader Has Arrived'

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27:07 min | 2 years ago

Mitch Part 3: 'Darth Vader Has Arrived'

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from American pest as the leading provider of safe, sustainable pest control solutions across the DMV. Let American past help you to take back your home or business. From menacing pests visit them today at American pest dot net. Last time on embedded there's too much money, washing around in this money makes good people do bad things bed people to the worst things. How can there be corruption if no one is corrupt? I'm that's like saying the gang is corrupt. But none of the gangsters are Senator McConnell, Kohl's, these lobbyists any asked him for two hundred thousand dollars in corporate soft money. I thought he'd moved beyond the line to his close to an outright bribe as you could find not gonna pass now not gonna pass tomorrow. It's not going to pass ever. Hey, I'm Kelly mcevers in Tom drives Bach. And this is imbedded from NPR and our latest episodes. We have been reporting on Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell and Tom when we last left off, we were in this very dramatic place, right? Mitch McConnell and John McCain had just had this showdown on the Senate floor. John McCain, essentially called Mitch McConnell corrupt to his face, and I'm guessing that if that was the end of the story, we would not be sitting here right now. Not so much. So it is not the end of the story at all. There is so much I have left to tell you about this rivalry between John McCain and Mitch McConnell. It went on for years, and the stakes only got higher. All right. Well, set us up for today story when we last left off. It was nineteen ninety nine McCain was still fighting for campaign finance reform. Mitch McConnell, of course was fighting against it and the focus of their fight was this Bill, it was called the McCain Feingold Bill, and it was designed to get big money out of politics. It's the biggest Bill of John McCain's career he proposed it on with democratic Senator Russ Feingold. And that's why we have the name McCain Feingold. Right. Mitch McConnell hates this Bill, he calls it terrible. And remember, he is one of the only politicians in the country, who says there should be more money in politics, not less. And so he is the guy who goes on. Talk shows to criticize John McCain's Bill and that did not make him. Popular Margaret Carlson of time magazine called me a thug. That, of course, is Mitch McConnell narrating, the audio version of his memoir, the long game, Maureen Dowd, likened congress to aboard ELO, calling me, the hard boiled. Madame liberal columnists, Mark shields compared to Dracula, the watchdog group common cause actually called McConnell, the Darth Vader of reform, and it seems like Mitch McConnell kinda liked it. One morning. Walking up to dozens of reporters there microphones ready to capture my words which they'd likely twist the next day and papers across the country. Welcome them by now nothing Darth Vader has arrived. And maybe it away. There's an element of truth to the Darth Vader nickname, at least in terms of style. Because in this episode your going to see a different and much more aggressive, Mitch McConnell and you're going to see how this one man's vision to allow more and more money into politics, a vision that very few people stood up for at that time. How that vision became the world we live in that is coming up after the break. Support for NPR and the following message come from Rossi's, Roth these are the everyday flats for life on the go stylish versatile fully machine washable, and they go with everything from yoga pants to dresses and skirts. Best of all there's zero break in period. 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So how many candidates are running for president twenty two maybe more to come in as a lot to keep track of which is why the NPR politics podcast is hitting the road to introduce you to all the people running for president join us on the campaign trail as we interview the candidates to ask why they are the best pick for president follow along this spring and summer by subscribing to the NPR politics, podcast. Okay. We are back Mitch McConnell and John McCain are fighting over the McCain Feingold, Bill and Tom just tell us what this Bill would do. The biggest thing you need to know about this Bill was that banned something called soft money. And so let me just quickly explain this term Q the explaining music. So first off, if you want to give money to someone who is running for office, there are rules about how much you can actually give them at the time of McCain's Bill. You or I could only give a candidate up to one thousand dollars that one thousand dollars was a hard limit. So they call that hard money unions and corporations could not give directly to a political candidate. That is a legal, they could form political action committees and give a candidate still only up to five thousand dollars that was it but there's a loophole in the law. Wealthy people or corporations or unions. They could give unlimited amounts of money to the democratic or Republican parties, the parties could then use that money for things like canvassing or door knocking or even ads that praised a candidate for something they had done and all of that unlimited money was soft money. And so if it passed the McCain Feingold, Bill would ban soft money, right, right? No more unlimited donations to the parties. Because McCain said people corporations were essentially able to by politicians with all that money. Mitch McConnell said, banning soft money was a terrible idea, not just because he thought these donations were a first amendment, right? And he did think that but because he said, banning, soft money, would keep Republicans from winning elections. Take away, nonfederal money. We wouldn't be in the majority in the house. We wouldn't be in the majority in the Senate. We wouldn't win the White House. So I can tell you this hell's going to freeze over first before we get rid of soft money. And year after year on the Senate floor McConnell used Senate rules to keep McCain Feingold from passing. This is stunningly stupid thing to do my colleagues, but then in March of two thousand two after about seven years of fighting McConnell can no longer stop it on this vote. The sixty nays forty and the villains. It's taken years, but the Senate votes to pass the McCain Feingold, Bill. It goes next to the White House Cain. Feingold passes President George W Bush signs it. And for John McCain, it is this huge triumph. We will eliminate hundreds of millions of dollars of unregulated, soft money that is caused Merican to question, the integrity of their elected representatives for Mitch McConnell. Will he says it's one of the worst days of his life, not just because this Bill, which he despised became law, but because of who supported it? Here's what he says, in his book found it nothing short of depressing that when it was finally acted it was under a Republican House and a Republican president. Now, Mitch McConnell could have said at this point you won. I lost it's over. But he was not about to just lick his wounds and move on. Instead, he takes John McCain and this law to court, it'll go to the supreme court is going to be one of the biggest cases of our of our time. Mitch McConnell sends lawyers to file a lawsuit, challenging the constitutionality of McCain. Feingold remember he argued that limiting how much money can be spent on elections or who can spend that money violates the first amendment. He wanted this whole law declared unconstitutional, and he really wanted to be the first guy to file a legal challenge, because if you do that, you get your name on the loss, and so that the supreme court case would forever be known as McConnell versus Federal Election Commission, and we can't get into Mitch McConnell's mind. But my question is, what does this actually all about? Right. Is this about ideology, or is this about self interest? I mean it's a complicated question because. Yeah, it's impossible to get into the man's mind. No doubt. He has spent at this point more than fifteen years of his life fighting on this issue. He has said that it's a deeply held belief of his about the first amendment. And that spending money on politics is free speech. But of course as we heard he also says it was about helping Republicans win elections. Still putting his name on this lawsuit suggests to me that this was not just about winning those elections. But also about winning the argument with John McCain, who is right about money and politics. And in the end. The opinions of the court to announce and number oh to sixteen forty seven McConnell versus Federal Election Commission, and the supreme court decides in a five to four decision with two relatively minor exceptions. The entire statute is constitutional. John McCain has one in Mitch McConnell has lost the ruling with his name forever on it just said that the law, he hated was constitutional. As he writes in his book, he was quote, distraught enough to want to spend a fair amount of time with my office door closed. He says he called John McCain to congratulate him and that was that I'll talk in the fight as far as I could. And it was time to move on. But. It was not the end of the story say, I don't believe that. So the truth is, he does not move on his fight is going to become less public, but it gets a lot more effective. And here's how so for campaign finance laws to work someone needs to enforce them and McConnell says, why don't I pick who the enforcers are so first, he takes on the F E C, which is the Federal Election Commission. It's kind of like the cops on the campaign finance beat someone breaks the rules. It's their job to step in and punish them now each political party gets to pick three commissioners in for the Republicans McConnell had a lot of influence on those choices. And one of the guys he picked Bradley Smith had actually argued publicly that most of these laws the laws, he was now supposed to be enforcing should be abolished McConnell's office told us that he just wanted people on the F E C who. Quote, share McConnell's commitment to robust and open political debate. John McCain was furious. I guarantee you that unless we reform, the FCC, they will they will destroy this law. And the second thing that Mitch McConnell does is he teams up with a conservative lawyer named Jim Bopp, who also wanted to get rid of McCain, Feingold guys to nations is brilliant, any winch. They created an organization called the James Madison center for free speech and it raised money from wealthy conservatives, like Betsy DeVos, who is now of course, in President Trump's cabinet and the purpose of this group was to keep fighting McCain Feingold in the courts, they funded lawsuit after lawsuit. Most of them, you've probably never heard of. But there was one case. When all the way to the supreme court case you probably have heard of citizens United. The case that changed everything, and Mitch McConnell's part in it after this break. Support for this podcast and the following message come from channel now who believes local independent restaurants, are the lifeblood of our communities for the amazing one of a kind food, they create and the energy and vitality. 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I don't believe it leaves his family and his friends to try to save him. When he said, who is this? Who are you? Save respond. We are the Slavic state from NPR's rough. Translation, listen and subscribe. Okay. We're back again and where we left off Mitch McConnell was not giving up the fight he helped start in organization that filed lawsuit after lawsuit challenging McCain Feingold. And we had just gotten to the biggest of those lawsuits citizens United. It is one of the most famous or depending on your point of view. Infamous supreme court cases in American history, citizens United versus the Federal Election Commission undo the legal underpinnings of the nation's campaign, finance laws, Henshaw, overturn almost a hundred years of our understanding about how campaigns are funded and finance issue in this case, I should say the two sides in this case, our citizens, United conservative group in DC versus the Federal Election Commission. Mitch McConnell was not a party to this case, but it was shaping up to be one of the biggest cases in decades. Mitch mcconnell. Was not about to miss out, so and this is unusual. He asks that his lawyer be given time to argue, the case for him to on top of all the other lawyers. He says he is uniquely qualified and had been a leader on the issue for twenty five years, and the supreme court agrees, they let his lawyer argue for him in court, and they gave the same upper -tunities to a lawyer for John McCain, which makes the whole thing, kind of like a rematch of the case from six years earlier, the case that had McConnell's name on it. But this time it was a new supreme court. It was more conservative in January twenty ten they decided in cord delivered a landmark decision on campaign finance today, corporations and unions could spend unlimited amounts on elections throughout K, provision of campaign. Finance laws. Dating back to nineteen o seven in on the day. The. Was made. My name is David Bossie. I'm president of citizens. United ahead of citizens. United goes out to the steps of the supreme court. Does he think having Senator McConnell, Mitch McConnell? I'll be part of this case was a terrific asset to us, and we're grateful for John McCain and his side. This was an absolute tragedy tonight, condemn the United States to preen court for their naievety in the citizens United decision, which is an outrage on both sides. We have these credible amounts of money, and I guarantee you there will be a scandal. There is too much money washing around politics, and it's permits McConnell. It was a great day. I think it was a terrific decision. I don't think there's any harmful consequences to come out of it. Everybody is free to have their fair say the more voices in America, speaking up, I don't find that a problem. After citizens, United supporters of campaign finance reform. We're kinda dumb struck. The supreme court had not only struck down major parts of McCain Feingold, but it opened the door to an incredible amount of corporate and union spending that had not been allowed before Russ. Feingold says it was devastating like John and I walked up and found a brick wall, whether it was a brick missing, and we spent seven years, getting that brick and putting it in place, and making sure solid and then the supreme court came loan, the bulldozer knocked over the entire wall. For people like Russ Feingold. It was bad enough that the spending was now, unlimited even worse from their point of view was that it was impossible to know where a lot of these new large donations were coming from people could donate to political groups and stay anonymous for Mitch McConnell. This is a good thing. He says these donors deserve privacy and making their names public. He says could expose them to potential attacks. If people have risen to fear that their names, and reputations will be attacked because of the causes. They support. Well, then they're less likely to support them, of course. And that's the last thing we should want a free society. But the thing is for years, McConnell, had the opposite position. He used to say that sunshine was the best disinfectant that's out cross along time, Kentucky reporter and columnist. You know, we didn't need a lot of limits. We just needed disclosure. I think we ought to have at least disclosure and what you're billed as disclosures. Yes, that was Mitch McConnell in nineteen ninety and now he opposes disclosure for the sake of privacy, which to me is outrageous, that I if echinacea the most outrageous change. He's made that would be it when people ask him about this change. Mitch McConnell says his earlier position was a mistake, and that now he's correct. And here we are back where we started the last. In twenty fourteen Mitch McConnell, one is race for the US Senate for the sixth time. And in that election super PACS nonprofits spent more than twenty two million dollars helping out McConnell, much of that money from donors, where completely anonymous, and a similar story was playing out in political campaigns all over the country on both sides signed spending has now surpassed the Mark for the most money ever spent in a midterm election dark money spending has surged to even greater heights of no one knows who's buying what in Washington. So this is the world, Mitch McConnell helped create. You might think that's a good thing for everyone is free to have their say or you might think like John McCain did that. It's corrupting our politics. Remember what he said, after citizens United. I guarantee you, there will be a scandal, there is too much money washing around politics, but because there is so much secrecy. How would we even figure out if there is a scandal, people who oppose citizens United worry that foreign governments or wealthy people overseas could make illegal donations to political groups, and we would never know about it. Jane Mayer is an investigative reporter with the New Yorker and she's one of the people trying to figure out where all this money is coming from. There's some gigantic Wales out there. Big spenders who none of us have been able to identify you sort of feel them moving underwater. He can see the currents moving, but you can't fish them. Out. One of those Wales is a single anonymous donor, who's given millions of dollars to a group, dedicated to getting conservative justices on the supreme court, and it would be nice for the rest of the country to know which person has spent that much money on trying to buy a supreme court to his liking or her liking, but we don't know who it is. The thing is the recipients of this money. They know who it is the politicians know who's backing them. It's just the public, it's kept out of the loop. Mitch McConnell is up for re election twenty twenty and some of the money going into that race. We will know about last year, a super, Pac that supports McConnell, took in twenty five million dollars from one donor alone. But it's almost certain that McConnell and whoever his opponent is we'll get support from donors and we will never know who they are. Many people expect this race to be one of the most expensive in the country. To go in a new direction. It's time to turn this country around. Just a couple more things we want to say before we go Democrats, in the house recently did vote for a Bill that would put tighter campaign-finance laws in place including getting rid of certain super PACS spent unlimited money and requiring that donors. Disclose who they are? But that vote will not be coming up in the Senate, because the person who has the power to schedule that vote is the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell. And the second thing we want to say is that we talked a lot in these last two episodes, about the rivalry between John McCain and Mitch McConnell. Mitch McConnell says wasn't personal. He says he respected McCain's to nations work on his campaign finance Bill. It was a terrible Bill but boy was he nations about it. And that's a quality. A deeply respect journalist Al cross says, McConnell and McCain talked before McCain died. And according to McConnell, they said they loved each other. Of course, even until the end of McCain's life. They still disagreed about a lot of things you might remember how it was McCain, who cast the deciding vote literal, thumbs down on a Bill McConnell supported to repeal ObamaCare in two thousand seventeen. And McCain made no secret of his dislike for President Donald Trump. Mitch McConnell's relationship with President Trump is very different. Proud of President Trump. That is next time on imbedded. This episode was reported and produced by Tom drives pocket was edited by Chris bender Mark amendment. Eric mental, Lisa Pollock third wall, and me, our intern is Nyla, Andrei research, was by Susan Cummings, legal help this week from Stevens Sandberg theme song is by columns, Ganz additional music by rum, teen, Arab Louis and blue dot sessions. Big things to congressional correspondent Davis editor best. Donovan, thanks also to know a bookbinder James Bob Sheila, krumholz, Tori, new Meyer, Trevor Potter, Bradley Smith and Fred Wertheimer, also to Stephen Georgia and Tara Anderson at Louisville public media out cross directs the institute for world journalism and community issues at the university of Kentucky. And you can read his columns in the Louisville courier journal, Jane Mayer's book is dark money, the hidden history of the billionaires behind the rise of the radical, right subscribe to this podcast. If you haven't already leave us a review and come back for more Mitch on embedded from NPR.

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Essential Mitch: The Interview

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Essential Mitch: The Interview

"The everybody you're about to hear our interviews with mitch mcconnell but first real quick i just want you to think about your local. Npr member station. Maybe you listen to it every day. Maybe you don't and you just like npr podcasts. Like this one either way. I can promise you giving to that station right now as we close out a year that has been so intense will make a huge difference. Most of us who work at embedded at one point or another worked at or with an npr member station so we can say from experience. They are everything. They are dedicated and hardworking. People who cover important local news that often would not get covered otherwise they also help pay for. Npr's national programming like embedded and any other npr. Podcast you like nothing is twenty twenty has been hard for them to so. Please consider donating right now to your npr station. Whatever you can do is fine. Please do it go to donate dot. Npr dot org slash embedded again. That's donate dot. Npr dot org slash embedded. Thanks show this week. Electors across the country certified. The joe biden will be the next president of the united states and leading republican senators. Who up till now had said. Donald trump had a right to challenge the election. Results are now saying. It's time for him to the outcome. It's time for everybody to move on one. Republican senator said there's a very very narrow path for the president another said. I don't see how it gets there from here. Another powerful republican. Senator senate majority leader mitch. Mcconnell also had something to say. I he spent about eight and a half minutes. Praising president trump the skeptics doubted him. The critics derided him but president trump has delivered. Fortunately president trump and his administration ended the ideological war on fossil fuels and era the many miles of new protections on our southern border unborn have had a champion and this administration and trump nominated and the senate confirmed three outstanding supreme court justice take far more than one speech to catalog. All the major wins. The trump administration has helped deliver for the american people then for the first time in six weeks. Mcconnell acknowledged the outcome of the election but unlike other senators he directed his words about that not at trump but had biden. The electoral college has spoken so today. I want to congratulate. President elect joe biden. The president-elect is no stranger to the senate he's devoted himself to public service for many years kind of allies told the new york times. He doesn't want to pick a fight with trump right now because he's worried that doing so could to republicans georgia running for the senate and runoff races. Next month races that will determine whether or not mcconnell keeps his job as majority leader. Getting to that position and staying. There is what mcconnell has spent most of his career on as you have been hearing in our series essential mitch in today's episode. Were re airing excerpts from to sit down interviews we did with mitch mcconnell because to understand how he thinks is to understand how he might do things if he does keep his job before we get started. Just keeping my these interviews happened last year. Okay here's the show. Hey i'm kelly mcevers. And i'm eric mental and this is embedded from npr. When we first had the idea to do a series on senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. We knew that we would eventually put in a request to talk to him but then something happened. We'd spend a couple of days in december making phone calls to people who used to work with him and right before the office holiday party. We got an email from mitch. Mcconnell's office wanting to know what we were up to a see. Mcconnell has this incredibly loyal circle of people whose from people have gone onto a lobbying firms. Pr firms political organizations. Some of them won't talk to reporters unless they get permission from mcconnell. One of them probably told his office that we were poking around. So we told mcconnell's office we're doing a podcast series about your boss. Could we get some time with them. And few months later it happened. Maybe it's just because i don't report on washington for me. The whole thing felt pretty bizarre from that. I email to the moment. We walked in the door for you. There's the sense that everyone already knew. Exactly how this is going to go. You're to spend a lot of time on ancient history almost like it was scripted. It'll be fun to relive. Some of the early is. I'm looking forward to it. We told mcconnell reporting in his hometown louisville kentucky which he seemed eager to tell us is a place where he is still not very popular. You'll get a kick out of the fact live in it just about the most liberal neighborhood and kentucky just for kicks. I looked up my vote. Total in my precinct in twenty fourteen. How many votes strict numbers. Or percentage percentage thirty five twenty seven percent at a time when i carried a one hundred and ten out of one hundred and twenty counties and one by shifting points. So you get the drip. I tried to ask him about his popularity now given his relationship with president donald trump and the fact that he recently got heckled at a restaurant in louisville but the leader. That's what his people call him. The leader is like hang on a second under in the show. Why don't we start at the beginning. When you've spent months learning everything you can about a person reading the books talking to people watching c. span said so much c. span. What do you actually learn by sitting down in the room with him. That is our show today. Our time with mitch. Mcconnell after the break this message comes from. Npr sponsor three am supporting communities in the fight against covid nineteen since the outbreak. Three m has responded with cash and product donations including surgical masks hand sanitizer and respirators through local and global aid partners. In addition three m is on track to produce two billion respirators globally by the end of twenty twenty learn. How three m is helping the world respond to kobe. Nineteen goto three m dot com slash. Covid three m science applied to life today. Some people argue that the supreme court has more power than all other branches of government. But when and how did the supreme court and up getting the final saying how. The court became more powerful than anything the framers could have imagined. Listen now to the through line. Podcasts from npr. Okay we are back. Do you listen to any podcast on her. No i will. We sit down with mitch mcconnell at a big wooden table in his office in the capitol building. There are three other staffers in the room. One of the places a phone at the center of the table so they can record our conversation. It's all very formal. Mcconnell sits on the edge of seat his back straight his legs crossed at the ankles right over left and looks you right in the eyes. The whole time he's talking you heard him say let's start at the beginning. And that's basically what he did. He started telling stories about his political career in louisville and how he got elected to the post of county judge executive in nineteen seventy seven pretty democratic town pursued it in a very pragmatic way. I didn't have to answer questions about whether i was a conservative or liberal or all about people escaping from the jail or problems in a police department. Think mayor so i worked my behind off and i got endorsed by afl and miraculously. But fun to think back about it. Because you could just couldn't imagine mitch mcconnell having support the afl cio could you. It was only after this interview that we talked to former union members about that endorsement and they say mcconnell went back on his assurances to them and they never endorsed him again. He denies that he broke any promises. I asked him about something that we had been told happened when it came time for him to run for. Us senate in nineteen eighty-four to people who knew him told us. He said he was going to make a deliberate turn to the right. So people across kentucky would vote for him. He denied that no. I didn't tell them it was going to have to move to the right. I'm a republican. Always was just that most of the positions that you would take an center. Rose were irrelevant to getting elected county. So it's a different race. It was a bracy was never expected to win. He was still unknown in politics and he had a story about that. Too was nineteen eighty-four. Ronald reagan was in louisville for an event frozen rugged stepped up to the microphone. He pulled out card. It's great to be back in kentucky and mac in the land of pioneer spirit and pride and he said he was so glad to be here tonight with my good friend donald. Mitchell must've been thinking the archbishop. I said okada mcconnell. Oh i thought you know this was murphy's law i thought you know. Is there anything else that can go wrong. This is something we noticed during our time with mitch mcconnell. He can laugh at himself. he doesn't mind being. The butt of the joke is a thick skin in another senate office. Mcconnell has an entire wall of negative political cartoons about him. it's an attitude that's been useful. It's always says he's been able to take the heat on some of his less popular stances at least among some things like money and politics which of course he believes. there should be fewer limits on alcohol. There used to designate spear catch on this issue. And i've been able to rally most of my members to the same position even though the easy thing to do Particularly sent people in your line of work are always trying to make it harder for us which is part of your job to take the popular route. I've chosen not to do that on this issue for stick as his skin is there are moments when he gets defensive like when we ask about how. He broke precedent to not hold a vote on president. Barack obama supreme court nominee merrick garland in nineteen ninety-two. Then senator joe biden suggested he would have done the same thing. You can't ignore the history here one of my one of my complaints about a lot of the articles about this. They choose to carry what happened in the past. And you have to put that in context or you simply by the democratic argument that there was something completely and totally unexpected unusual about this. It wasn't unexpected or unusual. And i can tell you without fear of contradiction if the shoe on the other foot. They'd had done the same absolutely shared. It's just that you are still perceived as an obstructionist like that is who people think. You are some people. Well that's their argument. And they're entitled to their argument. I'm entitled to mine. There was a kind of pattern to the conversation when we would question. Mcconnell things like how he has changed the norms and rules to confirm judges to the federal courts. He had an answer. The democrats did it. I the correct history of it is the democrats really started it because they were always chuck. Schumer started us down this path. Back with the filibusters circa judges and bush forty. Three i'm argument could have been made to harry reid twenty thirteen when when they did it. Much more dramatic so my critics conveniently leave out biden schumer and history other than that. They're totally accurate. I have checked with the president and a little bit because everybody likes to ask you about him. You know his approval rating kentucky's high Years isn't as high. That's the math. That's the reality that means probably that it makes sense to be with them on stuff. Well let me let me explain to. You happens to leader aung approval. Had terrific provable. Until i got to be the leader of my party in the senate and what happens is you get beat up a lot. I think the best way to judge. Mitch mcconnell is how do they elections come out. I'm not at all when he says he's talking about his two for county judge executive six wins for the senate and one difficult primary win against populist. Republican it's a thing he said to a several times in different ways and it is one of the things i remember most from our interviews. You know one thing. God decide early career if you're constantly in pursuit of popularity you can tie yourself in a not. I think it's impossible to satisfy everybody. Try to deliver for my state and make decisions on. What i think is in the best interest of the country and Anybody can run against me. Who chooses to so far. I don't want to be too cocky here but so far there. Been benign losers thing. We heard from a lot of people. Democrats and republicans was just how surprised they worry that mcconnell seemed willing to as they say let trump beat trump not fighting harder to stop a government shutdown to say case closed just after the mullahs report was released to say no comment. When a sexual assault allegation has made against the president. The feelings seem to be that. Mcconnell is legitimately one of the few people in the world who can get an audience with the president and perhaps even puts them check on him and yet in large part he doesn't seem to want to publicly the feeling is that there's this idea of being trump enabler right. That's the democrat line. I'm not trying to offend you. I'm just telling you what what they would. Hope is that we wouldn't join them in torpedo him and do nothing. I mean that's that's not my idea of of what our responsibility is. We were elected he was elected. There are many things that he's willing to go along with it or consistent with what members of my party have all been on. I'm less than enthusiastic about trade and carrots. We've had some disagreements about that. I'm not a mirror image of the president. But i'm glad he got elected that choice would have been hillary clinton and i would not have been able to do any of the things that i think are important to move america right of center for as long as we have the opportunity to do. It doesn't mean you're devoid of principle. But you have to make compromises and you have trot advanced the ball. You make no difference in this moment with our country's politics where a lot of people think the world is on fire but in this moment mitch. Mcconnell is just so calm which can be really jarring when you sit back and think about like one journalist. Who's covered mitch. Mcconnell for a long time told us mcconnell has done more to normalize donald trump than almost anyone that might doing business with him in these areas. Where the to have mutual interests abnormally things. Just don't get talked about in all the time that we talked the senator. There wasn't one question where he had to stop and think he had a response at the ready for everything as a journalist. You're always out for answers. But in some ways it would be more revealing if there was something mitch. Mcconnell didn't have an answer for at the end of our first interview. Mcconnell said his goodbyes went into his office was actually time for him to do the thing he does everyday go next door onto the senate floor and close up shop but then his communications director called me back kelly. The leader wants to show something. So i go in. There's some other people hanging around but it's clear this moment is meant for me. Mcconnell is standing in front of a photograph on the wall. it's of him an incident scalia. When the to work together at the justice department in one thousand nine hundred seventy s mcconnell had given the photo to scalia and later after scalia died and mcconnell held open his supreme court seat until a republican got elected president. One of scalia. Sons gave it back. Here's what he wrote the leader mcconnell and his legendary foreside with appreciation from the scully family. They twenty eight pain. Mcconnell told me. I get given a lot of things in my line of work and this is one that i treasure. I thought maybe the staff was waiting for my reaction. I looked at them. Like wow. I looked back at mcconnell and i saw that he had tears in his eyes. Was that because of mcconnell's connection to his old friend or about the power and the enormity of the decision he had made to hold that seat open but it was clear that the moment was over and it was time to go later. I sat mcconnell and email and asked him why he was so moved in that moment he wrote. I didn't have tears in my eyes. Okay twenty twenty kelly here and i just wanna say that now of course mitch. Mcconnell is ten zero. I his calculations he just won re election to his seat in the senate This episode was written by eric mental. And me and produced by. Tom drydock with help from nyala chris bender. Evan lisa pollock. It was edited by shirley. Henry and mark met our researcher. Is susan cummings our theme song by columns ganz other. Music is by blue dot sessions. Thanks to georgina sullivan stephanie. Pen and david pop. Subscribe to this podcast if you haven't already. This update was produced by rina cohen and edited by jenny. Schmidt are supervising producer. Is nicole beam. stir bar. We will be back next week with more mitch mcconnell this time how the supreme court the part of our federal government that's supposed to be steady and apolitical became a political battleground and mitch mcconnell's role in that

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Trump's Sad Victory Lap And Mitch McConnell Caught In Web Of Lies

The Young Turks

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Trump's Sad Victory Lap And Mitch McConnell Caught In Web Of Lies

"Wall nellie. Let me tell you about aspects dot com. Do you go to the head? The head of the line by going to aspirin dot com slash TY. T? You don't have to wait on the wait list. There's free access to ATM's all across the world. There's no monthly service fee. I know just gets better ten percent of their revenue goes to charity. I mean, he doesn't get any more than this, and no funniest political campaigns are industry lobbying. So if you're looking for a progressive place to put your money, I think we've got your answer for you aspiration dot com. Hey, guys, you've heard the young Turks podcast because you're listening to right now. But make sure that you subscribe and even a five star rating if you like it, thank you for listening. All right. Well, the young Turks got a great show head for you guys were just like yesterday will tell you that. I was right about everything. Trigger in the right wing says two thousand two right here on the young Turks never left wing to know. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm a good trigger. Okay. Lots of amazing stories for you guys today, including the hilarious Republican attack on the green new deal. We got the deeds. Oh, we do. We do. You. Don't wanna miss that story. You know, I don't know today. So why am I talking about it? Well, we're going to definitely get to it at some point. Here comes Buddha Jj. Okay. So there there's an interesting tidbits. Yeah. I honestly did not think that there was ever going to be a chance because he has no very little name recognition. But you also had very little name recognition in two thousand sixteen to. Okay. Can I ask him? I guess Bernie Sanders is going to be with Martin O'Malley into. But. Yeah. I think it's interesting to just get into the details of who. He is why he's running all that stuff. Yeah. He'd be a perfect guy to come on to make his case now here because he's kind of an interesting open question. Anyway, speaking of presidential candidates coming on tolsey Gabbard later in the week. Sounds like it's going to be Friday. So we will give you details as we closer to it. I believe it's going to be Friday at five thirty. I'm that's what it looks like right now, you never know. But okay. That's that's situation as we stand. Now. It'd be great look I've actually interviewed tolsey great number at times, but not since she's becoming presidential candidate. And so that'd be great in the meanwhile, if you want to fill up on Tulsi Gabbard interviews on the young Turks you could do that online or as a member he what d dot com slash join. Okay. And then the Purdue the Sackler families busted for the opioid crisis. It's just a ton of amazing stories that you don't wanna miss on today's show. So let's get to it. Yes. All right. Following the not the release, but following the completion of Robert Muller's investigation into Trump's Russian ties and following new information that Trump did not collude with Russia during the election. His team has decided to reach out to various news organizations, specifically cable news organizations and others to school them for having certain individuals on as commentators or as a political lawmakers who had some strong feelings about the investigation. So the communications director for the Trump campaign sent out a letter, and it said the following moving forward, we ask that you employ basic journalistic standards when booking such guests who appear anywhere in your universe of productions. Sure, you want that standard dog, you sure, did you think that one through before writing it down as any to everybody, of course, not? Because Teflon Don is probably the best nickname ever of anyone because he is tough long dawn he can lie every single day to the American public to the media to whomever, and he gets away with it. But if someone goes on cable news show and gives analysis that he doesn't like where he doesn't agree with well, then they should be banned the producer should ban those people from ever appearing on the show. Now, I'm going to give you some examples as to why this is ridiculous, right? And I'm gonna give you the names later, but let's just talk about the hypocrisy here. First of all, Donald Trump is very supportive of Fox News. We all know this. His executive time is spent watching Fox News. He's very supportive of Sean Hannity. He will tweet actual statements that Hannity has said on his show on Twitter. So here is a compilation of what Fox News is really about. And then you tell me, you know, who's really guilty of lying here. Take a look though, more on the story. Of murder Democratic National Committee staffer Seth rich who was gunned down last July, Washington DC when you look at the time line of this and twelve days after he was killed that shows up on WikiLeaks. Have you ever seen a lot of robberies, which is how they've been looking into this case where the person has their wallet? And then watch it after they've been shot and killed in the back. Is there any evidence that he might have been disgruntled at the treatment of Bernie Sanders in the unfairness, and that the fix was in to to put Hillary in that position? And maybe at evidence of that. So yeah, you know, connect the dots. Here is starting to all come together. We have this very strange story. Now, this young man who worked for Democratic National Committee who apparently was assassinated at four in the morning, having given WikiLeaks something like twenty three thousand I'm sorry, fifty three thousand emails, and and what does that tell you about what was going on? Because it turns out it wasn't the Russians. It was this young guy who I suspect. I was disgusted by the corruption of the Democratic National Committee. There have been reports that say ISIS was trained by US instructors at a secret base in Jordan to prepare them to fight President Assad as rebels since it Benghazi massacre reports are that the annex was a front for a CIA operation shipping arms to the anti Assad forces through Turkey ear saying it's a falsehood, and they're giving Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that. But the point reading alternative theory asks sure, look, this is a criminal involvement on the part of these leftist groups, it's highly organized very elaborate sophisticated operation. A lot of these folks also have Phillies who are getting money from the Soros occupied State Department. You really as we can see some more. It looks like very young men here. Quad does on you. He looks to be about sixteen or seventeen most of them carrying just one sack and strangely enough. A lot of young men that I've talked to had absolutely no money in their pockets for what could be a month long trip. One man told me today our rely on people on the road to feed me. So you have to young male Guatemalans walking just walking. There's no evidence that they're trying to be part of some caravan and Fox News decided to paint them as individuals who are trying to come into the country illegally. Then you have the south ridge conspiracy theories more nonsense conspiracies about the caravan. How dangerous it is. And then of course, I mean, would it be Fox News? If you don't sprinkle in a little bit of Soros controversy that as well or spiracy might look I think that last one was the least obvious live, but it was my favorite clip because they just take two dudes on the set of a random road is somewhere lend America, and they're like, oh by source or -delity that they only have one sack on them. They just walked by. You didn't talk to them at all. They have no money in them. By the way, the implication. There is don't worry source is going to give the money. That's why they don't need any money. We're really have a conversation about who lies more Donald Trump. I I the Washington Post in announced hard to keep up because every day the piles keep the lies keep piling up. And at some point it was like eight hundred and thirty seven lies in like under two years. Something along those is I'm the exact numbers in front of me now. But I think it's over a thousand at this point really want to ban people lying going on TV. Great. Let's do it man. You wipe out the entire Trump administration and every single Trump supporter. So, you know, I'm bummed the they didn't put me on that AMIS list, though, nor did they send us this warning. So all the ones that are on the list, they send us this warning sent us this warning, they would be assuming that we would shut down this whole operation because we don't agree with any almost anything that the Trump administration does. But I want to read you a little more of the note jank because it also says producer should begin by asking the following question. Does this guest warrant? Further appearances in our programming. Given the outrageous and unsupported claims made in the past. I don't know Tim. I don't know what about the -rageous and unsupported claims that the president's made in the past. We have a few of them just to give you an example. You are not allowed to be president. You not born in this country. He may not have been born in this country. His grandmother in Kenya. Said he was born in Kenya. And she was there and witnessed the birth two years old two and a half years old the child abuse child went to have the vaccine and came back and a week later. Got a tremendous fever got very very sick. Now is testing in many places like California the same person votes. Many times you probably heard about that. There was like to say, oh, that's a conspiracy theory not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions and millions of people to come back to the topic. We've been all screaming about here, which is Scully was he murdered. I know it's pretty grenal to say that a horrible topic. But they say they found the pillow on his face, which is a pretty unusual place to find a pillow. I watch when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watch in Jersey City, New jersey with thousands and thousands of people were hearing. As that building was coming down thousands of people were cheering. So something's going on. We gotta find out. What it is. I do want surveillance. I will absolutely take database on the people coming in from Syria. I've made it known if I win then going back. We can't have him. They're going back. We can't have we can't have a heavy Arab population that would cheering as the buildings came down with Harvey Oswald prior to oswald's being. You know, the whole thing is ridiculous. What what what is his right prior to his being jot, and nobody even brings it up. Okay. Well, we're having a conversation about people who should be banned from TV for lie. Is that the conversation? We're having every one of those was an outrageous unbelievable unadulterated lie. The last one was so bad. Even Steve Doocy was a cheerleader in chief. I think he gave him a twelve out of ten Trump rated all the people on Fox News based on how loyal they were. And I think got literally twelve out of ten okay? And even do see on that last claim Ted Cruz is dad having kill JFK was like. Does he makes a lot of the way? By the way, Trump is saying crazy outlandish things. So if you pay close attention to his face, it says something completely different from what his mouth says. But real quick look. It's amazing because he is going after people who simply shared their perspective or their analysis analysis is different from lying about the facts. Right. And so you might disagree with analysis. Certainly there are people who watch this show. It might disagree with our analysis time to time we disagree with one another's analysis. That is perfect healthy debate. Trump just simply doesn't want anyone to analyze him in any type of negative way. And so look I agree that the mainstream media did over hype the Russia investigation. I agree that it would be incredibly frustrating to see people continuously go on TV and just automatically assume that you're guilty. But those assumptions in my opinion were also aided and abetted by Trump's own actions. On social media, which you know, his sensually incriminated himself what he didn't need to. And I don't know why he did that. But anyway. Because he did do it just not during the election. I don't want to get back into that. But but I'll tell you this though, but related to that. So even in that Russia investigation he made out outlandish lies over and over again like he said Muller and his angry nineteen Democrats investigating him. Well, if there were nine hundred angry Democrats who are on a witch hunt against you. Why did they just say that you didn't collude with the Russians during the election? So I guess that was another stupid outrageous lie that you said over and over and over again. Now, you're saying, oh, this'll release a mole report ballers fantastic report. So what happened in the witch hunt, you total deranged liar? And so we're like glossy over that part of the reason why he's Teflon Don is because the press is as tough as he thinks they are on them. And they think they are on them are actually pussycats. They look the guys. Monumental liar. It is not an open question. You just saw the video for yourself. I mean outrages size like. There was three million illegal votes in two thousand sixteen election. What a preposterous lie created a commission simply to look into undocumented immigrants voting for Hilary Clinton, which he claims is the main reason why she won the popular vote, and guess what that commission found nothing disbanded gone. So look, the if anything the press should be way Horder on him. And part of the reason he gets away with it is because they have this natural instinct of being like, I'm gonna call fifty fifty. I have to be neutral. I can't be objective objective as bad because objectively I'd have to tell you. He's an obvious and pathological liar. He lies all the time. So give credit to the people like Washington Post who are actually keeping track of his lies, and misstatements, etc. But overall, no he is not held to the standard that anybody else. Can you imagine if a democrat did one of those lies now, I can't get it? A democrat had said, hey, I think Ted Cruz is dad kill JFK guard feathered written out of town. Denounced by Nancy Pelosi every democrat in the country, including every city council member who's a democrat, forget the Republicans. Okay. And the vaccine of the birther the original birth and conspiracy and thinking about Scalia allegedly Michael Savage is a lunatic. He went on Michael Savage show and talked about that insane conspiracy. He wanted to Alex Jones show, Donald Trump did and said that it was a wonderful program. Kidding guys. Absolutely, deranged. Totally nuts complete liar. Those are those are things that the rest of the press should be saying with a straight face, and it should not hesitate at all. It's not. Bias to call it. What it actually is? You saw with your own eyes with the right wing has done in this country. Is they keep trying to get you to believe that the emperor's clothes on. They're like, no do not believe your lying is anyone who says Donald Trump is a liar is not objective at is being biased. You saw with your own eyes. Make something every day. I don't even think that the media, and especially cable news is even really that concerned about attempting to appear objective. Look there are so many political operatives working for these news organizations. Now, I don't even think that it's about objectivity or neutrality. I think that there are people who worked in politics that have way too much influence over which stories get covered how they get covered. You don't they haven't influencing factor there? And that's really the issue. By the way, just to take this conversation to a more serious place. This is the government, or at least a part of the government of the United States, sending out a letter to news organizations and telling them how they should function how they should operate who they should have on the government has no place in that discussion whatsoever. I'm talking about editorial control or any type of editorial influence, so where all those free speech warriors. Why are they fighting for all of these people who were listed in the in the letter? So that includes Senator Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut Representative Jerry, Nadler, gee, I wonder why Jerry Nadler was on the list. He's the chair of the House Judiciary committee who's also investigating Donald Trump Democratic National Committee chairman Tom Perez, John Brennan, who is the former CIA director Representative Adam Schiff Representative Eric swallow and swallow actually released a statement. About this saying if you thinks I've made a false statement. He can sue me, and I'll beat him in court. Okay. So last who things on this first of all cable news guys that got these requests should make a list of all of the proven liars in the Trump administration instead of back of the White House and say, if you want us to ban people who are liars, these are the lists that people from your administration that have clearly told lies on our air, and we'll never ever be allowed on our air. Again. Of course, cable news doesn't have anywhere near those balls. They want that AXA. And so part of it is they want to access the other part of it is to them. It's not about the news. It's about casting characters in a soap opera. So as long as there's drama, and you have one side fighting the other side. Who cares? What the objective truth is the hey, we were all getting ratings. This is all a lot of fun. So as les Moonves. Said oh, CBS Trump might be bad for the country. But he's good for ratings. And as Nancy Pelosi said when putting aside impeachment Trump might be bad for the country. But he does help us raise a lot of money for the Democratic Party. So the people in power love the soap opera, it's the rest of us that are paying the price. And there's one other casualty here, and that's the truth. So it is preposterous that Trump administration would ever send the list of people that should be being on TV for lying is the single most ironic thing that has ever happened and the rest of the news organizations should be fighting back super aggressively today, but instead as usual, they are cowering and casting their new set of characters that will defend Trump even more. When we come back from the break. I am going to show you how Mitch McConnell is blocking efforts that the majority of lawmakers agree with and then later on we are going to discuss what the real cost is when it comes to the green new deal. Come right back. Are back on the young Turks Jenkin, Anna with you guys a bunch of comments from the members section prodigious. Nick says Trump is too stupid to collude. You know, what that is the best argument yet for why Trump? Did not collude if he didn't collude at all or gay. And anyway, I don't want to spend too much time on it. But I hear you eclectic miscellaneous has don't worry. Jank you and TRT may not be on Trump's enemies list. But you can bet that you are definitely on the DNC's. Yeah. A lot of enemy lists. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. What was it the they did the other day that enraged me? Anyway. All right. I'll remember it in a second. Viscous creases noted birth certificate expert, Donald J Trump wants hired journalistic standards side note that would be like jank Uber wanting fewer dad jokes outta pundits. But right wingers revel in being massive hypocrites in projectionist. Agreed. And last one is T. Rex says jank the Washington Post is Trump at over eight thousand lives since inauguration thought eight hundred was a lot the real number is mind boggling, and it is it's mind boggling, and yet there's a whole bunch of maga- guys out there going who knew Trump's too. Okay. So we have some good news. And the good news comes in the form of new designs as shop TY T. This is a bag, but we also have t shirts that have this new design on it. It says young Turks, but it looks like that that thank you bag design. That's what it's about. Okay. And at the bottom, it's oh, you can pre-order. Oh, it's not available yet. It's only preorder this, very exclusive. It says Homa progressive shop TY T dot com. And yeah, I'll be wearing the shirt on if I remember on old school tomorrow. You'll remember you love. Can't get enough. Okay. Greene story for you guys in the post game today. If you're a member about game of thrones. Okay. And what happened to me today? Okay. Okay. So look forward to that TYP dot com slash showing. All right. What's next? Senator Senator Mitch McConnell has decided to block a non of binding resolution that would call for the release of the mole report. So members of congress can review it now, this is incredibly important considering the fact that the house voted unanimously to release the mole report, according to Ross story, the full report will not be made public. If McConnell has his way. But when it comes to the house lawmakers unanimously passed the non-binding resolution in a four hundred twenty two zero vote it's a lot. I mean, that's kind of amazing actually right now, we don't have unanimous support for anything. And to see you animus support for something. Like, this is a big deal, but McConnell is blocking the resolution. I wanna give credit to the Republicans again, not a census office spoken on the young Turks, especially in the house, but they voted on that before they had an inkling that Muller was going to exonerate. Them on the collusion during the election. So they were like, no, we see them all report either way. And I'm with you Anna other than renaming post offices. I've never seen anything that unanimous in the house. So. I mean, he's we've got that. Now, you got Trump saying you should release it, but Mitch McConnell is blocking it. That is very very curious McConnell is an unsavory dude to say, the least, and he has this incredible knack and ability to twist everything that Trump does wrong or that the Republican party does wrong, and then blame Obama for it. In fact, I have an example, take a look. Deeply disturbing that the Obama administration was apparently insufficiently prepared to participate and counter these Russian throats. It was hardly a sacred prior to November twenty sixteen Putin's. Russia was not and is not our friend. And yet for years the previous administration ignored excused and failed to confront Putin's Milan activities both at home and abroad. So this is the leading theory is the why McConnell is not releasing the report because in the report is going to say what we already know to be true. That McConnell is the one that said to Obama do not do anything about the Russians interfering in two thousand sixteen election. Otherwise, I will blame you and your staff for being biased against Donald Trump. Details on that actually. And it comes in the form of a Biden video. But before we get to that. I just wanna know I wanna make sure everyone is abundantly clear on the fact that Donald Trump himself. Self has told the press in multiple occasions that he is okay with the release of the mullahs report. He's okay with the lawmaker seeing it. In fact, he's asked that very question in the video you're about to watch and just pay close attention to how he answers it. I will tell you. I love this country. I love this country as much as I can love anything my family my country my God. But what they did. It was a false narrative. It was it was a terrible thing. We can never let this happen to another president again, I can tell you that I say it very strongly. Very few people, I know could have handled it we can never ever let this happen to another president again. Thirty general, but it wouldn't bother me at all. So wouldn't bother me at all. It's up to the attorney general, but it wouldn't bother me at all. Okay. What magazines shouldn't you be super Madam McConnell? The president wants it released. You guys think it's a coup and the president said, it's a complete and total exoneration. Well, why wouldn't you release a report that's a complete and total? Exotic issue would be nuts. Not to this McConnell. A Trump or something is McConnell part of the deep state. I dunno. He should ask you and on. So now the reality is there's two possibilities. One is Mitch McConnell is hiding the report for his own benefit because he told Obama administration do not talk about the Russian interference in this election while it is happening. Otherwise, I'll blame you. Okay. Now, then he turned around after the elections. I can't believe Obama didn't do anything about the Russian interference because McConnell. He so this is the underrated thing about Mitch McConnell, and what the rest of the press refuses technology will never do because they're deeply. Ice in favor of the status growth. Mitch McConnell is in a lot of ways a bigger liar than Donald Trump is the lies. He tells are of greater import and more significant politically and consistently. So Trump is a pathological Sadleir. He makes up weird absurd lies. They couldn't possibly be true. He says things like I that he invented the word fake. Okay. So it's easily dismissed but Mitch McConnell has lied about almost every single policy position. But that is that's the third rail for the American press, they will not call Republicans liars when they clearly are McConnell in this case clearly lying when he says, oh, Bama should have done something about it. Right. And unbelievable hypocrisy. That's why he doesn't want to report released that would absolutely confirmative. Even though we all already know it, and you have plenty of evidence to to be able to report that, but it would confirm it without a shadow of a doubt. That's why he might not want it out. The second reason he might not want an is. Trump is not that bright. So you know, is attorney general could have been like, hey, listen, there's a clear quote in there that says you did not collude with the Russias during the election. But there's a lot of damaging information on there, including how you obstructed Justice. We said you didn't Muller didn't say that. We said that the Trump administration said that you don't really want that thing coming out, and it's got a lot of damaging evidence against you Republicans at cetera. But Trump's all here here is not guilty. A look this country. I'm totally innocent. Sure. Your release it. They're like, oh, no don't don't say release it. So we'll see we'll see it could be either one of those reasons it could be that. No. It's actually overall not that bad for Trump, but it hurts McConnell. So that's probably more likely. I look I agree with you in that McConnell is a strategic liar and he lies for specific purposes to help the Republican party or to help himself. But let's be clear that what J. Is alluding to is absolutely correct Bronco. Bama knew about the Russian meddling during the election, and he actually reached out to McConnell because he wanted bipartisan support in order to put out a public condemnation of what Russia was attempting to do. But according to the video you're about to see things didn't work out because of McConnell's actions take a look Mitch McConnell who I get on with wellness smart guy. Mitch McConnell wanted. No part of having a bipartisan commitment that we would say essentially Russia's doing this stop bipartisan because they would have no party. They've no part of it that to me hanging around that body up there for a longer than any of you were around doing it meant to me that this was the dive cast here. This was all about the political play. So look every reporter at every inside source confirms. Oh by saying. And and so I don't like to buy this along with McConnell. I I'm distracted by that. I can't have a guy running for president who loves these kind of lying Republicans and ones that do great damage the country, but put that aside for a second in terms of of what happened that day. It is not unclear and it drives me crazy that the Obama administration went in there and was like, oh, well Mitch McConnell is going to yell at her. So we'll hide the fact that the Russia's actively interfering in this election. Yes. And by the way for all you knuckleheads who just see the headlines, and then think you understand the whole story. The mother report clearly stated that the Russians did interfere with the election. They just but Trump did not collude with them to do. So so those are two separate things. So the model report does not say that the Russians did not interfere with the election. It says the opposite that they did. In fact, he already indicted a lot of those co-conspirators, but they just. It didn't collude with Trump. So now McConnell gets information during the campaign goes, no, no don't talk about an opponent of ours at different country, actively interfering our elections, even though we all know, it's true because it might hurt my party politically. So just understand how crazy and ridiculous. All of this is right. So imagine if the situation was twisted to the point where Donald Trump is Obama in this scenario, and Chuck Schumer is the individual that Trump is trying to convince to put out this public condemnation of what Russia's doing do you think Donald Trump is going to go talk to Schumer and be like, hey homeboy. Let's put out a bipartisan condemnation, let's work together. We need a United Trump would just go. Do it. Trump would just go. Do it. Right. Whether it's Russian meddling or whatever. Whatever other issue he wants to bring out to the public's attention. And so look the the best point. That you've made is the Obama weakness issue, right? Why are you going to Mitch McConnell after he screwed you with Merrick garland, refusing to give him a hearing. Why would you go to him and be like can we work together? Please. I want the public to know about what Russians doing imagine here. Seven fun hypothetical. Trump and twenty twenty is running. Yes, Bernie Sanders, and the intelligence officials have definitive proof that the Venezuelans are interfering in the election. Okay. And imagine Trump going to Chuck Schumer say, hey, is it, okay? If I talk about the Venezuela's trying to help Bernie Sanders. Oh, truck said, no a guys. Let's not talk about it. No, no. Let's put it aside. It would never happen. He would tweeted before they finish the presentation. Okay. Let alone go as Cho-shui letting let alone letting Chuck Schumer vetoed. Right. Are you kidding me? So I know why Obama does a civility and all that crap. But when one side is on a war footing twenty four seven and the other side is asking pretty please you have an uneven playing field, which is why the Democrats over the last decade got slaughtered way loss over a thousand seats with that terrible strategy of asking the Republicans. Pretty please wish NFL team has the worst defense. I don't know at this point. There's a lot about is out there. Okay. Then my analogy is not going to work. But like I was going to say I mean, the Republican party is always playing offense and the Democratic Party like. Tries to do defense. But they do defense the way the worst NFL team does defense. You know what I'm saying? Like, they just they they can't do anything right with the exception of how they handled the funding Trump's border wall. I thought that that was pretty good. Anyway, let's move onto much more serious news. Look at one more thing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But we'll talk about it more of the presidential campaign issues. But all these like, of course, the mainstream media gives credit to all Democrats running in a campaign now that talk about working with Republicans in. Oh, I don't want anybody working with Mitch McConnell. I don't want it. I don't want it. I want someone who's going to go in and destroy Mitch McConnell. Absolutely pulverize him and make him beg to leave the Senate. Okay. That's what I want. So that's what we should all want. Anybody want a democratic candidate who's willing to work with Donald Trump? How about we take get one that's willing to? Neilly Donald Trump. How about that? All right now with we can go at all, right? There is bad. News ahead when it comes to the Affordable Care Act. It's no surprise that. The Trump administration has been fighting aggressively to dismantle it, and it appears that his Justice department is playing a role in this debate. And Trump might have his way. So the Justice department is no longer asking for partial invalidation of the ACA or the Affordable Care Act, but says the whole law should be struck down, by the way that includes protections for pre existing conditions not just some of the insurance provision, but all of it, including the Medicaid expansion and hundreds of other reforms, that's total bombshell, which could have dire consequences for millions of people. That was a direct quote from Abe Gluck, he's a Yale Law. Professor who's been tracking this case it's been making its way through the courts and things are not looking so good. So note that previously the administration wanted to keep certain parts of the Affordable Care Act. They said that the laws protections for people with preexisting conditions. Should should not be struck down. But the rest of the law, including expansion of Medicaid. I'm sorry. So they I said that people with preexisting conditions should be struck down. But the rest of the law, including expansion of Medicaid should survive. Okay. So now, they're like, no we want to get rid of all of it. We don't agree with this law. We find it to be unconstitutional. And there's actually a federal judge who agrees with them on that. So that judge of actually put out a ruling earlier his name is Rita O'Connor. He's from the federal federal district court in Fort Worth. And he had said that the Justice department. The Justice department said that the court should affirm the judgment issued in December by judge read O'Connor of the federal district in Fort Worth who said that the individual mandate requiring people to have health insurance can no longer be sustained as an exercise of congress as tax power because congress. They had eliminated the mandate. And so here's a direct quote from his ruling he said the individual mandate is unconstitutional and the remaining provisions of the Affordable Care Act are also invalid this is bad news. Okay. Well, it is policy wise, but politically there bubbling a better be careful what they wish for disagree. Okay. So we'll get through our disagreement a second. So first of all, let's note that the conservatives love activist judges. So this judge rewriting though Ford about Care Act. And then throwing it out is preposterous. And I'll tell you why. It's preposterous. It's not just because I disagree with him politically. No, no, no, no, no. In this case in two thousand seventeen a Republican congress with a Republican president. Fought over this issue, and they could not defeat the Ford Care Act. They only took it out the mandate, and they left the rest of the law intact. So that is overwhelming evidence that congress knew exactly what it was doing. It did not aim to take out the whole law because it tried and failed. So for an activist judge to say, no, no, I'm going to overrule congress. I'm going to make the law, even though congress already voted on it you remember the famous John McCain vote like this where he kept Affordable Care Act. This one judge in Fort Worth Texas, saying, no, I'm going to be an activist. And I'm going to veto the entire United States. Congress see conservatives as always lawyers so older liars. So look I'm not saying that there was never activist judges on the left in the nineteen seventies. There were okay, in my opinion. But now almost all activist. Judges are on the conservative side. They still put out that towing. Point and the rest of the media mindlessly, repeat that talking point as if the Republicans actually believe it. So I'm actually going to disagree with you. But I I'm going to concede already that I might be wrong. Let's see let's see how you I guess give me a rebuttal. So look, I think that even though I disagree with the overall outcome of the Affordable Care Act if Republicans have their way, remember this judge noted. Okay. Well, you guys have done away with the mandate the mandate as much as we all hate. It was a huge part of making that policy function properly. Right. So if you have a pre existing condition, you're considered more expensive for the insurance company to provide insurance, but the mandate forced younger healthier people to buy into the system, which would affectively help subsidize older, and sicker patients you do away with the mandate. And then that kind of Lee. Leads this entire policy to crumble. So I do think that the judge came to possibly the right? A ruling on this. No, no, no, no. I think that actually proves my point. I let me explain why. Because while your point on policy is exactly right. The point is judges are not supposed to make policy. They're just supposed to give legal rulings that is why the right wing 'cause the left wing activist judges because they say they're legislating from the bench. So in this case, the argument, you're making is a policy one not a legal one that's up to congress to decide. Now, it would have been fair for congress to say, well, we take away the mandate the rest of the law really does crumble because policy-wise the young will leave and you'll get too expensive. But that's a legislative decision. That's not a decision for judge. A judge simply has to say whether it's constitutional or not constitutional. If you say the mandates, not constitutional that is actually a totally arguable position. If you say, no, I'm going to invalidate the whole law because I don't like it's policy that isn't. That's the definition of being an activist judge. Right. But I don't think that he said, I don't like the Paul. Liars don't say that. But by the way, the left wing back in the nineteen seventies. When they were being activist judges, they didn't say, I don't like the policy either. Of course, they're smart. Judges and justices who go I find it unconstitutional. Yeah. That's it. Okay. Whatever I don't like I find on constitutional. So that's what it is. So I think that's the activist part. But there's a second part of this story that is very very important and arguably more important, so if your reporters out there, and I don't mean just the national press, I actually in this case mean more, the local press, you should ask all of your congressman and all of your senators from your area, if they agree with the Trump administration in this case because this case very important, if they take if this ruling holds tens of millions of people will lose their health insurance. And no one's pre existing condition will be covered again. So the Republicans claim during the election that no, no, no. We don't wanna take away protection from preexisting conditions. Even before. The Trump administration changed their standing here or their position in this case to say, hey, we wanted to destroy all of the Affordable Care Act earlier. They had already said they want to take away the provision that protects preexisting conditions. So Republicans which one is it do you agree with Trump in this case, which would then allow the protections for existing conditions. It'd be taken away or do you stand by your position during the campaigns that you wanted to protect preexisting conditions, which one is it they should all be forced into a decision. But instead what they do is. I love Trump all my Republican voters. Oh, Trump is right about everything sharp is got total exoneration on everything he's ever done. He's the he's awesome. He's fantastic. Oh, and plus I'd like to protect preexisting conditions. But Trump go ahead and kill back. Yes. Yes. Killing going to get paid so much more for my daughters. So the Trump administration is. Putting a some of these Republican lawmakers in a difficult position because they do have to choose between the best interests of their constituents or loyalty to Donald Trump. So I thought the conversation we were gonna have is going to talk about the political ramifications for Donald Trump if he gets his way and the Affordable Care Act is affecting repealed with milk protections for individuals with pre existing conditions. I would argue that even if Trump gets his way it is not going to hurt him, politically, it just isn't see that's what I put out a tweet today. Because a lot of people I'm afraid including you are skit this total BS thing in in your head about how Trump's invincible he is invincible ways is the ways based not care. They don't care, but Anna, Anna, look his basis thirty five percent of the country. Not sixty five percent, not sixty five percent. So why did he win? And why does why does he get away with everything? Now. No one is he ran against the most unpopular candidate in American history. According to the polling, that's a fact more on popular Mondale Dukakis anyone else. Hillary Clinton was the single most unpopular candidate of our lifetime since polling has begun. And we forget that as go Donald Trump accomplished something. No, he was gifted the presidency. So and the press calls everything even to his great advantages cetera. But the the normal laws of physics and polling still apply. They did not magically disappear with thirty five percent of the country. Supporting you, you do not win elections. You'll lose elections. Could is it possible that the Democrats could bungle it again by paying establishment candidate? Just like they did last time. Yes, they all want to. And they all wanna lose the Trump just like they wanted to lose him last time Nancy Pelosi still bragging about hope, but we're is it a lot of money because a drum okay? Lose to try born losers. Their donors pay him to lose how many times to be proven right about that. Anyway. So in this case, I hear you're not concerned about the election overall because of what ridiculous losers. This democratic establishment are okay, we're not going to let that happen in the primary, but overall no when they got killed even in this last election in the house, they lost forty seats the third largest loss in American history. The physics and polling and facts and math and science still apply. If if we have the election with any decent candidate, Trump will be mauled if they come in here, and they take away your protections that Affordable Care Act gave you they stripped tens of millions of Americas from health insurance, they take away protections for pre existing conditions that will be rage in the country. Parliament is those independ-. Forget the thirty five percent. That's immovable the extra fifteen to twenty percent that are in the middle thinking about wait a minute. He promised me. All these things. He promised me that everybody would have healthcare at the. Yes, they were suckers. Yes. They believed it right enough of them did. But when they see their actual stuff taken away. They get so mad. They do. But hold on hold on. So I want you to understand my my reasoning behind why I'm saying what I'm saying. Okay. It's not just based on Trump getting away with all the things he's already gotten away with and it's not just based on who his voters are his base. Yes is base is about thirty five percent of the country. But if you look at the Republican party overall, he almost has unanimous support among the Republican party. And it doesn't matter what he does they still support him. So for instance, the tax cuts have been the tax cuts for the wealthy have been disastrous for the middle class the tax legislation that passed into law. Why did away with the very few tax deductions that the middle class and the working class got to take advantage of? So a lot of Trump voters actually ended up paying more in federal taxes than previous years. Did it hurt his numbers? No. The trade war has impacted farmers who voted for Trump. They are struggling. So it's the trade war. In addition to the floods that have been going on. They are really suffering right now have they lost their support support for Donald Trump. No, they still support him. Like, my point is conventional wisdom indicates that if a policy or a politician is negatively impacting the pocketbooks of Americans they will turn around, and they will retaliate. This is one of the I mean, I don't know if this has ever happened in American history. But for some reason when it comes to Donald Trump, and the Republicans they're failed economic policies here, which negatively impact the Republican voters has not changed their minds the independence. No, I understand. That I I base my arguments on polling not what I wish is going to happen. So you'll ride the ninety percent of Republicans or more in some postal back Donald Trump, but Republicans are not fifty one percent of the country independence are growing every single day. And in the old days independence used to be just low information voters. Now, a lot of them are high information voters, and they don't trust the Democratic Party, and they certainly don't trust the Republican party. But they some of them are load for me some of them behind information. But those independence a real and growing the so the reason I'm telling you that is because the Republicans are down to at best forty percent of the country. So and yes, thirty five out of the forty is solid dung Trump immovable. Okay. But forty percent of the country does not get you a win. It just doesn't. So they're going to have to keep independence. And if you keep punching independence in the face, especially the high information ones, they're not going to go along with it. And they and here's another piece of proof. It just. Happened in the house elections all across the country at absolute tidal wave forty seats. I'm telling you guys like again, the press bungled it, and I didn't get why because the Republicans held onto the Senate, and it's complicated, etc. But the reality is that was third largest victory for any party in American history. What happened in the house this time? So yes, reality still exists. And so if they take look in the end, I don't think the supreme court's gonna agree with this one judge who's totally activists. But if they did, and they made that mistake there will be rage in the country. They will definitely lose those independents, and they will get even more slaughter the next election. I guess time will show we gotta take a break. But when we come back, we have some good news involving a pharmaceutical company. Come right back. We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks. If you wanna get the whole show and more exclusive content. While supporting independent media. Become a member of TY T dot com slash join today. In the meantime, enjoy this freezing. Bag on the young Turks ching and Anna whether you guys Anna's actually going on rebel radio, and she's going to record it live in downtown LA and that is on April fourth seven PM Pacific. But you guys can actually be in the audience, so activists members get exclusive tickets so dot com slash join. Make sure you sign up as an activist member to do that. And then go to rebel radio dot net slash events. Okay. So. Picture fresh. Yeah. Like, I look like I'm never stressed out. Look at that. Oh. A good life. Okay. So as Ben Meguid says pictures. They don't say a thousand words they lie. That's all right, anyway, let's go to your comments. Some do says if you want Medicare for all day has to be scuttled at some point. That's why I actually in that case of the ruling. We gotta fight for Medicare for all. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna we're gonna do it. And so they scuttled ACA. I think it'll be political disaster for them and could lead to Medicare for all. I don't want people to lose their coverage. Just like how you know electing Trump would would lead to the most progressive country in the world eventually because there would be a revolution. Like come on. Please. Look, I believe in Medicare for all I'm gonna fight for Medicare for all with all I have. But I don't want whatever little protections. We have now to be destroyed with the hope that will one day get Medicare for all people are gonna die. In the meantime, now, I totally agree. I totally agree. I'm saying if. Conservative justices, take it away in a way that is wrong. I think it will motivate people to push even harder for Medicare for all. But I don't want him to take it away. I one that people that have that protection until they get any care for all. And by the way, the democratic establishment has really stupid in disingenuous talking point on there. Like, do you don't that Medicare for all would take away the Affordable Care Act because you'd have more coverage? What does that even mean, adding Affordable Care Act with much more coverage? Anyway, Collins says this is all from the member section. That sounds great. I can't wait for all these guys to lose their coverage. There has will keep them safe Jumairah knees says pleased M's who say they work with people like Mitch McConnell needs to admit that they'd be in the need to him because their donors tell them to wouldn't hold your breath on them admitting that and then on YouTube super chat, Kirk Williams says was everyone speaking as if the mole report has been released all we have is a summary of a summary report created by Trump stooge that is true. But there is one line in there that is a direct, quote, we. Definitely need the context for it. But the quote is about how. The Trump did not collude or collaborate what the Russians during the election that is a direct presumably direct quote from the mother report. But it does not exonerate the Russians. They did interfere in the election. And it does not exonerate Trump on obstruction of Justice. If you hear otherwise, those are things that are not true. Okay. What's next? The opioid epidemic continues in the United States. Many people have died as a result of overdosing on painkillers and one of the pain killer manufacturers or pharmaceutical companies Purdue pharma is facing thousands of lawsuits throughout the country as a result of this. And as a result of their. Advertising campaigns. Now turns out that they have agreed to settle a lawsuit coming from the state of Oklahoma. And this is a very very big deal. So Purdue pharma and its owners the Sackler family have agreed to pay two hundred seventy million dollars to resolve claims by the Oklahoma attorney general that the company helped fuel the opioid crisis. So this is again, just one of many lawsuits, I'll get into the other losses in just a minute. So and what I saw that member a furiously read the rest of the story thinking, this is a combination of states, right? This can't be just settlement for one St.. Nope. Turns out it's just for Oklahoma. So Purdue pharma and anyone else that has liability that could be attaches opioids brace for impact. In fact, Purdue is already considering bankruptcy options. Because if you're paying two hundred seventy million dollars per state, you're not gonna. Make it not even these pharmaceutical companies that are fat with all the profits. They made from these illicit drugs so spokesperson from Purdue pharma, tried to tell people don't use this as a model for how we plan on dealing with all the other lawsuit. Sure, sure. Who knows how the other lawsuits are going to go. But this is a giant settlement. And I want to give you some details about how it's going to be broken down in terms of where the money is going to go. And I think it's actually very smart what they're planning on doing. So the Oklahoma settlement. According to reports includes one hundred and two point five million dollars from Purdue to fund an addiction and treatment center at Oklahoma state university and twenty million dollars in medicine to support the center Purdue will also pay twelve point five million dollars to be distributed to local cities and counties and up to sixty million dollars to cover litigation costs with any balance going back to the center. So this money isn't gonna go directly to individuals who are impacted like in the form. Of a monetary settlement. But it is going to go to a rehabilitation center, which hopefully will be affective and helping people overcome their addiction. There is a little more to this though descendants of the company founders Mortimer, and Raymond Sackler have pledged an additional seventy five million dollars over five years to the addiction center. So they're also going to pay some money out of pocket for this, which I think is it makes a lot of sense and Oklahoma also is blaming a Purdue and other drugmakers for helping spark this eightfold rise in drug overdose deaths from one thousand nine thousand nine hundred twenty twelve the state had eight hundred Twenty-three fatal drug overdoses in two thousand fifteen alone. So I wanna give credit to some Republicans here in a second in the state of Oklahoma. Let me give you the state of the damage, and then why they paid. So there are thirty seven other states that are suing. None. Okay. There's six hundred cities counties and native American tribes that are have gotten together in a federal lawsuit. So be the two hundred and seventy million dollars for Oklahoma was bad way to a of that federal lawsuit, and and Elizabeth Birch law professor at the university of Georgia said this it's got to set off a feeding frenzy there's blood in the water now. So I love that. Yes. So they're hurt dog. Don't ask them if they're all right? And I love to see this because they profited off the deaths of all those people for all those years, and they felt there wasn't gonna be any consequences. Now, at least there's financial consequences at this point. Now, they've got plenty of money to cushion their fall will which I'll talk about in a second. But finally, why why did they pay this huge sum to one relatively small state? Well, the Sackler family itself the family members. We're on the hook in this case, they were accused of personally hyping up the marketing of Oxycontin. Okay. And they were about to be deposed. And the thing that rich people care about the most is actually not their money. Money comes in a close. Second number one is their reputation, and so they they had built up a reputation by donating to all these museums. So that their friends could say are doing to cloud, a secular families, just wonderful. If it wasn't for them. I couldn't go to this Bendon smashing museum. Right. The goal is. They love. That the sacraments throat, right? I'll get tobacco museums. But now, even the museums are pulling out, including the Guggenheim museum, I one in in America to pull out, and so if they went to do that, those depositions they would be devastated. So they my my sense of it is they panicked here. And they were like we cannot be deposed under any circumstances that would ruin our reputation and put us on the hook to be personally liable for the money as well. So let's top two things that they care about. So they're like pay pay whatever it is pay it. And so at this point handwriting appears now look don't count him out yet because they've got a team of lawyers. They're going to regroup. They're gonna I'm sure they'll appeal this they'll appeal that is a settlement. But it's still they'll find they could fight for decades on. But you know, again, if the sectors are personally responsible in any way that makes it harder for them to defend. And so by the way, this should be a note to federal prosecutors poll hold people personally responsible and you'll get way better results. Now, this crap about oh corporations a person, my friend there people. I mean, nobody ever goes to jail. They never have any consequence of real people. Right. They get to shield themselves with a corporation. But nobody's you know, that they already had a giant settlement Purdue pharma in seven year in two thousand twelve years ago. So in two thousand seven Purdue pharma was investigated by federal authorities because they had lied about how addictive drugs work, and so they paid out six hundred thirty four point five million dollars in government penalties and costs as a result of that. And so this keeps happening over and over again, I'm glad that they have to pay out this this giant settlement. But as you can see in this past government ruling, they had to pay this giant amount of money. And they were still able to do their thing. And they were still able to market this drug and get all these people addicted. So they paid a fine, but they made so much money for Oxycontin that. Find didn't bother them at all if you were going to send him to prison that woulda bothered them. But we don't do that anymore. The richer above the law. So they never go to prison now even their own personal money being on the line has apparently motivated them to begin to settle. So now, let me tell you how much that is the Sackler family's net worth is. This does not the whole company. There's not all other executives of the company is just the just one family that started their net worth thirteen billion dollars. So oh, the company paid less than a billion dollars twelve years ago cost of doing business. Oh, my God two thousand seven twelve years ago. Yes. So thirteen billion dollars. They still have you know, how many people died from opioid addiction between nine hundred ninety seven and twenty seven. In that twenty year period. Two hundred eighteen thousand people died. She's so that is four Vietnam 's wasn't all because of Oxycontin, there was a lot of different opioids, and then a lot of times that led to heroin addiction sometimes opioid itself. Kill you. Sometimes heroin kills you by opioids. I mean in that case legal pills like Oxycontin, but that is a lot of dead Americans. And so go back to Oklahoma. Now, look, I know it's because it's affecting everyone and not just minorities that people are motivated into action now but good I'm glad they're motivated into action. And so Mike hunter whose attorney general of Oklahoma did a great job here and pursuing them to the end of the earth and got a wonderful settlement. So he should get good credit for that. And good folks in Oklahoma. The Republican is are totally in charge. They're fighting and getting this result is a good news. And it's a wonderful change that I liked to report when the Republicans actually do a right thing or we're not set against them. Because. It's personal. We're set against them because they're wrong in the policies when they're right on the policies rate. I love it. Thank you for looking out for the citizens of Oklahoma. And Finally, I want to go back to the museums. So with the Sackler family does is art washing. And so if you give enough money to the arts, well, then the elites are motivated to protect you because they like you, and it helps you country clips, so it's a win win for this actors, everyone, they know goes to those museums and thinks the sectors are wonderful people know a lot of people dying from over opioid overdose. Right. So and then they get the clean their reputations. What the original robber barons did? And now this new robber barons are doing so these museums should not allow this art washing. And and so Google Heim has chosen not to in America. And so has. The Tate museum in London and one other in London as well than London's national portrait gallery. They have also said we will not take any money from the. This families. The Sackler is in fact, we will return their money others like the Smithsonian which is received seven and a half million dollars from the Sackler family like we won't take any more money, but we will not be returning the rest of it. So seven million dollars a lot of money. So keep it just don't don't I hear you you might as well. Keep it. I would take their money. And I'd be like SIA like, you know, what I mean it went to a good enough causing that case. Right. But anyway, I won last part of this. I got to tell you the post game because it's a really fun twist of. So we will do that for the members TY T dot com slash joined to become a member or you can try to for free for a week TY T dot com slash trial. And I'll tell you the last part of the story, which is definitely fun. So we're gonna take a break. But when we come back we're going to speed it up a little bit. You don't get through some more of these stories more of a note for jank. And we're going to discuss other things like the NRA and all their shave your in Australia. Come right back.

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"What next is supported by Charles, Schwab sting informed is all about asking the right questions, which is why Schwab encourages you to ask questions about the way your wealth is being managed. Do you know how much you're paying and do you get your fees back? If you're not happy, a twelve you get low costs and the satisfaction guarantee. If you're not happy for any reason the refunder fear commission. So go ahead, ask your broker some questions if you don't like their answers ask, again Schwab. To find out more, visit Schwab dot com forward slash comparis-. Tanya. Snyder is a transportation reporter and politico. Yeah, I've been covering transportation for almost ten years. Well, nine years. That's almost done. It's nine is almost ten it's true. She works in Washington. She has been tracking these grants. The department of transportation gives out who's applying who's getting paid. These programs are, are very, very popular. Everybody's trying to get a piece of this guy, and so there many many worthy projects that end up on the sidelines because there just isn't enough money to go around. Recently, this one proposal caught her. I request for a few million dollars from the town of Owensboro, Kentucky this request to improve. Some roads had been denied at first, but then right before Christmas, the money came through. And so we're looking into, you know what were the possible, political considerations forgiving this grant to Kentucky that, you know, in previous rounds hadn't made the cut yet, I guess the question the question is like, if you have five almost identical highway projects, how do you choose the one that's going to get the millions of dollars. Exactly. Tanya says these political considerations, she's alluding to every administration. Got him back when Obama was in charge, the department of transportation was worried about climate change, and they distributed money accordingly. Everyone likes to say that there are no Republican roads democratic roads and the infrastructure is bipartisan, but actually there's a real ideological divide on how he build transportation infrastructure. A rural road project that involves widening highways is, is something that the Obama administration was explicitly trying not to do. They were much more interested in streetcars, there were much more interested in bike lanes, and that is something that the Trump administration is much, much less interested in. But this isn't a story about Donald Trump, that grant, Owensboro, Kentucky was interesting to Tanya because Owens boroughs had friends in Washington since long before the current administration. If you walked to the Ohio river front from Owensboro city hall pass the courthouse and past the museum of science and history, you'll get to McConnell plaza. That's Mitch McConnell plaza for years. This town has been courting, the Senate majority leader, and it is paid off. Tanya says the details of how money flows from Washington to Owensboro tell you a lot about how DC is working right now. And for whom I'm Mary Harris. You're listening to what next stay with us. With the discovery of miles card. You can go further than you've ever gone, before, like son in your face book in your hand kids playing in the sand further because the discovery miles card offers, unlimited one and a half miles on every purchase and the automatic match all the miles you earn at the end of your first year. So thirty five thousand miles could become seventy thousand. It's just that easy. Get out there with your discovery miles card today. Limitations apply. Discover match for new card members only learn more at discover dot com slash travel. Owensboro Kentucky got an eleven and a half million dollar grant from the department of transportation after years of lobbying. They I applied for a back when Obama was president. They got turned down. But when President Trump took office, the city's fortunes, changed it wasn't just that Mitch McConnell was looking out for them in the Senate. His wife, Elaine Chao had become secretary of transportation, and she'd hired a familiar face to be her chief of staff a guy named Todd Inman. Yeah. So we actually a watchdog group called American oversight got a trove of emails between US DOT the department of transportation and McConnell's office. And so many of them had taught in men's name on them. Todd Inman had been a Republican political campaign operative in Kentucky for many years, much of that, having to do with kind of advanced logistics for events, so kind of managing transportation and setting up events and things like that. He wasn't necessarily kind of doing high level strategy, so he had worked on McConnell's campaigns ended up on Elaine Chao staff at the department of transportation. So this guy Todd Inman, he'd worked for Mitch McConnell now. He's working for Elaine Chao at the department of transportation, I guess we should explain the fact that Mitch McConnell is married to Elaine Chow and talk a little bit about how common or uncommon that is in Washington. Yeah. So weirdly, this exempts situation has happened before Robert Dole was the Senate majority leader and his wife, Elizabeth Dole was the secretary of transportation. So this exact situation and Elaine Chao herself had been in the cabinet before and Mitch McConnell was in the Senate, but not the head of the Senate. So it is unusual. And this is something that we had been interested in since she was nominated for this position. How would this work? How what are the kind of hazard areas when you have a secretary of a major cabinet agency, especially one that Dole's out discretionary grants? Most cabinet agencies don't have kind of buckets of money that they are spreading around the country at their own discretion. So you have this very unique situation where she is married to the Senate majority leader. So you know what kind of firewalls? Do you set up? We'll kind of guardrails, do you put around that to make sure that there is no conflict of interest that there is no way that anyone could even accuse you of punt flicked of interest. I mean, this is such a strange situation in. An obvious time that you need just be extra cautious and make sure that you're really crossing every t dotting every I and what we found is that they just didn't even try. Elaine Chao hired several McConnell staffers, former McConnell staffers from campaigns or his actual staff. And, you know they were in her inner circle at the department of transportation and one of them was this guy. Todd Inman, who had these deep ties to Kentucky. Some people think he wants to go back and run for office, again, in Kentucky and made it really clear in his Email correspondence with Kentucky officials that they should go through kind of normal channels when they have a request of some kind, but they should also send it to him so that he can fly directly to the secretary. So it was this much more direct channel to the top. And he said that the secretary had asked for that, you know, maybe he was grandstanding. Maybe he was just sort of saying, like, hey, you know, hometown folks, let me, let me know if you run into any trouble in help you out, and I think that we can assume that some of that happens all the time. And some of that is normal. And some of that is nice, but again, in terms of the ethicists that I spoke to for this article in terms of how they would really make sure that this was as clean as possible, that they would have taken precautions round things like that. You know, you mentioned that Mitch McConnell and Elaine Chao at kind of been in this situation before back when Elaine Chao was heading up the department of labor were there, any guardrails, then I think it was really different, partly because Mitch McConnell was not was not majority leader and was, in fact only became minority leader at the end of her tenure but beyond that, at the department of labor, they're just not giving out money in that kind of way that they do at the department of transportation. So I think that your potential for, for some kind of conflict of interest is probably a lot lower. It isn't necessarily wrong to help your constituents excess government grant money. The department of transportation helps local governments revise their applications all the time. But looking at these emails, it was the way this work was getting done with McConnell's office in direct communication, with his wife's staff. You know, this is, especially as the secretaries just coming into office, and just sort of getting her staff set up that a lot of this was happening, but a lot of Kentucky organizations were going to McConnell and saying, you know, with a request speaking, request or meeting request for Elaine shower her staff. And so, you know, that, that is not something I don't think that anyone would have gone to rand Paul or some other member of the Kentucky congressional delegation. I think that, that relationship of people going to McConnell and asking for a favor vis-a-vis the department of transportation was explicitly because of that, that relationship because they're married. And so, that, you know, some of that was was as she was just coming in, and, you know, likely still getting her staff set up, but it continued for a while. While in definitely, there was a, a back and forth with the McConnell people saying, you know, would you please make this kind of meeting happen, or help this person with this request? You know, Elaine knows them their friends, and in some cases when we go back and look beyond those people who have donated to Mitch McConnell for years, how did officials in Owens, bro. Talk about their relationship with the DOT and how it had changed underlain show. Yeah my coworker. Tucker Doherty went to Owens borough and talk to the mayor and talk to the county, judge executive, which is kind of the, you know, the top executive in the county and they were really clear that the, the county judge executive, especially that having Todd Inman on the inside their local guy. He kept calling them, our local guy that he has Elaine Chao Tzee ear twenty four seven. And, you know, when there are ten projects that they're trying to decide them on, you know, and we've got this low. Local guy on the inside with the secretaries year like you tell me what, what kind of impact is that going to have. So I think he was really clear that, that was there in, and when they got the grant, and they did a public press conference. They thanked, you know, secretary Chao Mitch McConnell. Todd Inman for making it all happen. Association's Bill with Cintra McConnell and US department transportation 'cause without them it wouldn't have, you know, I imagine for this piece you're talking to a lot of folks who think about government accountability, and how to make government work better. What are those folks say about what they would want to change about this system to prevent things that look a little suspicious? Yeah, I asked them, you know what it would look like if they wanted to put up a firewall, you know, if they wanted to just do everything they could to make sure that no one could ever accused them of any kind of undue influence or kind of motivation that, that Elaine Chao might have to help her husband, and they said that, you know, Elaine Chao could recuse herself from all decisions that have to do with Kentucky. Mitch McConnell could decide that he is that his office is not. To have that kind of direct communication, with DOT, certainly they could not share staff, back and forth of McConnell staffers going to work with Elaine Chao at the department of transportation or those people that do, and that have these connections, you know, might also recuse themselves from, from certain projects part of what I really appreciate it about your reporting is that you got into why the relationship with the department of transportation was so vital especially right now given the limits on how congress can wield money, right? So congress banned earmarks in twenty eleven for people who don't know for people who may not know what's tell me more about what an earmark is an earmark is when congress puts in a Bill this amount of money is going to be spent in this community on this project. And so a lot of your marks were related to transportation. Infrastructure, you know, that congress would explicitly say when appropriating money you know, and we're going to send eleven point five million dollars to the riverport in Owensboro Kentucky to do this to do this project. And that was a way that congressional Republicans, especially proprietors, especially powerful people like Mitch McConnell could could curry favor with their constituents and could could help the people back home. My impression is that Mitch McConnell was pretty good at this. He didn't know how to play that game and he an Owens, bro. Specifically Owensboro had been at, at a certain point of, you know, a vibrant bustling downtown and, you know, by the mid nineties, it had really been hollowed out big box stores and mega malls on the outskirts were really kind of hollowing out the downtown. There are a lot of boarded up storefronts and McConnell came in with a forty million dollar earmark that the mayor. Said that when he heard that he was just like stunt and asked McConnell like wait. Did you say forty million dollars and you know McConnell just sort of laughed and hung up as one does as? So you're marks there are lots of members of congress on both sides of the aisle. I, I hear it more from Democrats that would like to see the return of earmarks, because if done well and done accountably, you know, rather than bridges to nowhere. You have, you know, people members that represent a certain district that no their district better than, you know, the way that they would put it would be faceless bureaucrats in Washington, you know, that they feel that rather than leaving all of that discretion to the executive branch, they as members of congress that are authorizing and appropriating, this money should have a say in how it's used and may actually be the best people to figure out how it would be used. So why did they get rid of them? Yes. So there's the whole kind of bridge to nowhere scandal that there was a bridge in Alaska. That was, it was considered a bridge to nowhere in this kind of very unpopulated area. I think that there has actually been. In some reconsideration of whether that was even a good project since then that some people think that, that was a really important connection for the people there. But without getting too into the details of the merits of that particular project that there was a real examination of the way that members of congress were using earmarks, which they're calling pork, pork, barrel, spending as ways of sort of feathering, their bed among voters in their districts. But that what McConnell has found in the years since the ban on earmarks came in. Is that he now has this new way of helping his constituents access these pools of money from the department of transportation through his wife? Did Elaine Chao or Mitch McConnell comment for your piece? Yeah. I mean, it was so Mitch McConnell did and and actually touted in, you know, knowing that we were writing a story about potential undue influence from his office. And from the state of Kentucky, he. He kind of doubled down on that and said, yeah. Kentucky Kentucky punches above its weight in Washington. And I am a senior member of the appropriations committee, and I am pleased to do what I can't for the people of Kentucky, any lanes. How did not did not comment for the story in DOT just said, Kentucky doesn't get more than its proper share of funding that out of one hundred sixty nine projects that have been approved since Elaine Chao came into office, only five have gone to Kentucky, the proportion of funds that go to Kentucky is well in line with the proportion of population of the United States in Kentucky and that may all be true. So the earmarks went away, and all of a sudden, this new avenue opens up for Mitch McConnell. But I have to wonder thinking about all that is this, actually something special, or is this just the way money moves in Washington? I think that in our reporting on this we did not necessarily find that any one of these grants that Kentucky has gotten were without merit. But what we can say is that Kentucky had this very privileged position for getting grants like this, and that they had kind of access, and a kind of avenue to decision makers and a motivation for Elaine Chao, to make decisions that will benefit her husband as he's running for re election in twenty twenty you know, to kind of help out his political allies in places like Owens, bro. So, you know, we can't say for sure how or if that impacted the decision making around these grants at DOT, but we can't say for sure that they didn't take any of the precautions that you would think that a husband and wife in these positions might take to just make absolutely sure that they're not. Tanya schneider. 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Mitch Part 1: 'Win This Thing'

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"Support for NPR and the following message come from Panera bread. Ed Pinera breakfast to go. No longer means to settle. Try their new maple glazed bacon. Scrambled, egg and cheese breakfast rap, and new Madda, gas carbon Ila cold brew Panera, food as it should be. Hey, I'm Kelly mcevers. And I'm Eric mental. And this is imbedded Alec. Mcgillis is a journalist York's for propublica and he usually has a nose for really, really compelling stories which is why when talking with him about a book, he wrote a few years back, I had to ask. What were people's reactions when he told me we're working on this? Concern. Puzzlement really doing while you're doing a book on on metro Connell. Mitch mcconnell. If you know anything about him, it is probably one of these three things one he's the majority leader, the United States Senate, which is a really powerful job to he blocked, President Obama's nominee to the supreme court and three. He is not the most I named guy in politics. Is that overstating that no, not at all? He's always notorious in Washington for his opaqueness is drabness is one demeanor when Simon and Schuster approached me about doing the book, I kind of questioned their belief that there was a market. And to this day, I would I give my, my role these statements, I continue to question. Whether there's a market for the buck a joke, perhaps would Alec was saying, actually came across more like a warning, because we were already in fact, in the middle of reporting a podcast series, about Mitch McConnell. Sometimes I would sit back when I'm interviewing I would imagine him powder, white wig, and ruffled shirt, like relate eighteenth, century politics, warm and engaging, outgoing none of those terms, describe Mitch McConnell. Some folks still don't think I spend enough time with congress, don't you get a drink with Mitch McConnell bask. Really? Why don't you get a drink with Mitch McConnell? Ultimately Alec landed in the same place. We did finally came to decide to do the book to take it on because actually saw him as incredibly important to understanding what's happened to politics in America today. There was really no one better to get that through, then Mitch McConnell. Depending on who you ask in this very divided country. Mitch McConnell is either responsible for the downfall of our democracy, or has been one of the most effective, Senate majority leaders in history, he is blocking. Obama supreme court nominee, Merrick garland was quote, the most consequential decision. He has ever made in his entire public career. I think this is basically Mitch McConnell giving the middle finger to Representative democracy. He hoped President Trump put two justices on the supreme court, who is the hero, the conservative movement today for holding open the supreme court seat Mitch McConnell, now a Republican, he's rewriting the rules of the Senate. Keeping what many say are key issues from even coming up for a vote and he's reshaping the federal courts in ways that will affect the country for generations. Mitch McConnell has won his Senate seat, six times, even though like many leaders in congress, he is not very popular in his home state right now. He's actually one of the least popular senators in the country. But still, he and the people around him are very confident a win again in twenty twenty and he has done all of this kept winning and become one of the most powerful people in the country despite his almost aggressively blinked demeanor, and that says Alec McGillis is actually essential to understanding him. It's been one of the most striking things about Mitch McConnell, that he is succeeded so much in American politics, despite being so utterly unsuited to it from, from the standpoint of his personality. He recognized it in himself knew that he just was completely lacking in that natural political Chrismas in that he was going to have to find other ways to win. And what were those other ways to answer that we are going to go back and look at a few of Mitch McConnell's earliest races races few people thought he would win. And we're gonna see how he did it. Because if you hate him, and you want to beat him in twenty twenty or if you love him, and you want him to stay in power knowing where Mitch McConnell came from tells you a lot about how he operates and about his effect on the country. That's our show today, one of the most improbable, powerful people in America and the levers, he pulled that got him there. After this break. Support for NPR and the following message come from Rossi's, Roth these are the everyday flats for life on the go stylish versatile fully machine washable, and they go with everything from yoga pants to dresses and skirts. 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He's at in front of the TV and watched both political conventions inflow in nineteen fifty six he was fourteen years old, and despite being as he puts it quite shy McConnell decided during his junior year of high school to run for student council president. It's a story. He tells in his book the long game and spoiler alert. This is not the story of an idealistic teenager with big plans to make the school a better place young. Mitch McConnell was a pragmatist won the luxury on needed to run a better campaign. Yes, this is Mitch McConnell narrating, the audio version of his memoir, began to seek the endorsements of the popular kids by John Boyd, a well-known cheerleader and Pete dodging on all city football player, I was prepared to. Ask for their vote using the only tool in my arsenal. The one thing teenagers most is our flattery next had his own agenda. Kennedy boy, the well-known cheerleader told us, she appreciated the attention. And she eagerly gave McConnell her vote because he's just that's mart. He had a plan. I wish I had had a plan. Yes. And McConnell, did not stop there. How does onto pamphlet entitled, we want McConnell for president and listed the names of the popular students whose endorsements? I'd secured most politicians have these stories right about who they are. And why they're the best guy for the job. And this one tells us a lot about how Mitch McConnell sees himself, that he's the guy who will out work outsmart his opponent who will do things most people wouldn't do to win. And what is high school, if not a training ground for local politics in nineteen seventy seven at age thirty five McConnell ran for his first public office, and he was once again looking for votes from the popular kids, only this time, the popular kids Democrats, not say it was a decisive underdog. This is Larry foregin. He raised money from a in that election. I mean nobody called oh Lord. This is the beginning of Kennedy like career. It's going to take him a long way, the office McConnell was running for was called Jeffers. County judge executive sort of like being mayor. But for the county that surrounds, Louisville Kentucky back, then Kentucky was not the red state. We know today like a lot of the south it was dominated by Democrats. In fact, corgi told me Republicans in Jefferson County where pretty much just happy to have a candidate. I mean, that's what kind of shape we got in down here at one time. We, we couldn't find anybody wanted to run for these officers. So just like in high school McConnell, had a plan, and it might sound crazy knowing who he is. Now that the plan was, don't be too partisan, according to the local, newspaper, McConnell told Republican groups around this time that the way to win and Kentucky was quote, have a good strong candidate who isn't too strongly identified with the party and to quote, take a non-partisan personal appeal to the voters and by all accounts, Mitch McConnell, like much of the Republican party back then was more moderate than he is today in the. Sixties. He voted for LBJ not Barry, Goldwater and his idol was a pro civil rights Senator named John Sherman Cooper, so play down the middle, but also like in high school he needed to get endorsements in his first race. He got a big one the newspaper that didn't usually endorse. Republicans the Louisville courier journal, it's time for a change the endorsement read, because the incumbent, quote appears in the past two years, to have gone stale on the job, unquote McConnell has quote run a well organized well-financed, immaculately planned campaign are thought that he was man of integrity. I think a lot of people here, did Keith Runyon was on the editorial board at the time, instead of being out, glad handing and playing basketball and stuff like that he would show up in a business suit. He would give a speech, and he would give you the impression that he was in control. And I think that was a breath of fresh air, for us here, and it wasn't just the newspaper McConnell also maybe even more and probably got. The labor unions on his side in the past the unions, had supported McConnell's opponent, the current county judge executive a democrat named Todd Holland back. But then Holland back allowed non union workers to do a big county construction job. A Republicans not gonna come to Organon labor for score. But that's exactly what McConnell did says Randy McQueen back then was a member of the tobacco workers union one. Labour leader said McConnell came in found him on his bowling night. And Randy says he showed up at union events like an annual AFL CIO dinner for people who done community service. I sure people got all dressed up. He was right there with this money. You, you, you thought he was Samuel gone pers-. Cousin. What McConnell wanted was the endorsement of this thing called the central labor council. It's basically about seventy or so people from unions in and around Louisville. Randy was on the council's executive board. And it was his job to interview McConnell course one of the questions that I was assigned to ask you what your position on collective bargaining public employees. And he said, I support it. I support wholeheartedly not something a Republican would typically support then or now. So the board voted to endorse McConnell and took the issue to the larger labor council for a final vote. The meeting was that the AFL CIO union hall in first Randy says, McConnell was not an easy sell labor council. Heads some older of guys on there that were pretty rough. And they were diehard Democrats. But then this one guy stood up as HALE an ironworker. He always wore short sleeved shirt. And he was he was continually pulled the sleeve down because by Steph or so damn big. His name was Johnny Bruce. And Johnny said, if the executive board says we should support McConnell. We should support McConnell. So the labor council voted to endorse McConnell actually told their members split your tickets vote democrat in every race except for this one back in those days, the endorsement of the greater Louisville central labor council delivered tens of thousands of votes. This is Kentucky journalist, Al cross. He's covered McConnell for decades. Do you think he was himself a union supporter? I doubt that was any real the pill belief the general lesson is that when you're climbing, the greasy pole you grab for anything. For him. It says that the priority is winning. And McConnell did win. He beat. Todd honed back for county judge executive by about eleven thousand votes. I let him sweet talk. We Zammit idea. I reached out to Johnny Bruce the guy from the meeting with the biceps. And he told me that not long after the election realized he'd made a mistake, and supporting McConnell. It wasn't even six months after he got into office. We had a couple of important issues. We wanted to talk to about it and couldn't get them easy with. When it came time to talk about collective bargaining. Here's Randi again. I remember very clearly like it was yesterday. He said, we all misunderstood me, I said, if the state would pass attractive, arguing Bill for public employees. I would support it. What's your you would? I mean it becomes the law, you have to that's that was his position. In other words, that thing, Randy says, McConnell promised he would do before the election is not going to happen, failed to which word, I feel craft on lied to. You know, I had done it with one won labor function. We said, same table and Chad, just like old buddy. You know, he was right there with. One political biography of McConnell says that pandering to the unions like this was quote, one of the few things in his public career to which he now openly admits being ashamed. Mcconnell told us quote, I was not pandering. I worked hard to get their support. So I could defeat an incumbent. They did not like, and he says the anecdote about the unions not being able to get a meeting is quote not accurate. There was something else. We heard from people who knew McConnell, in those early years that we found pretty surprising, another issue, where his actual position wasn't clear. And that was the issue of abortion. I can assure you that we thought he was pro choice he was largely pro-choice early in his career than best elected official I've ever worked with on the pro choice issues. But what confused us is that in newspaper coverage at the time? Mcconnell never mentioned this belief, in fact, while running Jefferson County McConnell voted to support a Bill that would restrict abortion. And he publicly endorsed, the platform of Kentucky right to life. The one county Commissioner who voted against the Bill to restrict abortion, with Sylvia Yankers. So I called her up and she said, she honestly didn't know what McConnell believed on abortion Cook County says, little, he watches very carefully. When mitch. Mitch was not in the habit of, you know, Kevin me on the shoulder and say, I want to tell you how I think about this. He walked see the curious and did not step on any walking through tulips without stepping on any it was, maybe the best description. We heard of McConnell's time in Kentucky. What he believed wasn't the point he got the popular kids on his side. When we asked McConnell about this, he told us quote, I have never at any point publicly or privately then pro choice. I. I think the most in accomplishing thing that is important to stand about Mitch is that his CLYDE, a different person than most of us in that the only thing that was important hand that, that comments life, I've to get to the Senate. That's coming up after this break. Support for this podcast in the following message. Come from ZipRecruiter hiring used to be hard, multiple job sites. Stacks of resumes, but today, hiring can be easy and you only have to go to one place to get it done. Ziprecruiter, ZipRecruiter sends your job to over a hundred of the web's leading job boards. Then ZipRecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invites them to apply to your job. 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The way he won was to get people who wouldn't normally vote for a Republican to vote for him. But all along his main goal wasn't just to win these local races. It was to get to the US Senate when he decided to run for the Senate in nineteen eighty four. It was a much bigger and more complicated race and endorsements alone were not going to do the trick. It was gonna take a whole new style of campaigning when they would come to define McConnell for the next thirty, plus years, did you think you could did you, did you think you could win? I mean I did not. I wasn't put it this way. I was not packing. My bags to go to Washington. This is Janet Mullins Grissom, McConnell's nineteen Eighty-four campaign manager. And at the time Chetta work cut out for in August of nineteen eighty four. We were forty points down. I mean little hard to get. Lower than that. The guy McConnell was losing to buy forty points was named d Huddleston. He was really well, like democrat and former sports radio announcer. He was also a two term incumbent and two to one democratic state McConnell's team had tried going after halston on the issues. The weekly press conference they called dope on D to attack his record on things like spending taxes. But McConnell, pollster Lance Tarrant says that just couldn't get within twenty sometimes even thirty points. Let's when there was some panic in the campaign, what are we going to do? You can see the vice was beginning to close in on us. We were all trying to find something that would change the dynamics of the race. And we're really not having a lot of luck almost every day. Mcconnell would tell Janet, we need to find something on Dee Huddleston. We need silver bullet and for McConnell, that silver bullet was not gonna come in the form of a rousing speech or a grand policy proposal. Instead. Said it was going to be an attack. Mcconnell had a hunch. He knew Huddleston had missed some votes in the Senate. So McConnell Ashtiani to compared those dates to Huddleston financial disclosures to see if he'd been earning money on the side getting paid for appearances on the same days. He was missing votes. And it's not like this was legal. It just wouldn't look good for Huddleston. Mitch just kept after me. He's like you just need to check we just need to check. So she stayed late one night just to get Mitch off my back. So janitor office at McConnell headquarters with these two big stacks of paper, the congressional record and Huddleston financial report. And she finds that Huddleston had given speeches in Puerto Rico on days. He missed votes. I'm like, oh my God. It's the silver bullet. I, I remember calling midge to clock in the morning going. You were right. We've got him with finally got him on something. So the next step was to bring in Roger Ailes. Yeah. That Roger Ailes the creator and longtime, head of Fox News. The guy who many people say, is responsible for how polarized the media is now and who we should say, was forced out of his job at Fox News after multiple allegations of sexual harassment back in the eighties was one of the country's top media strategists for conservatives. He made his name in part by making Richard Nixon more presentable on TV and in his book, Mitch McConnell writes about a suggestion he made to Roger Ailes. I think we should do some positive TV as suggested at a meeting sure, we could do that. Aol said, do you wanna look nice? Or do you want to take your opponent and win this thing? I wanna do what it Tokes said I wanna win this thing. So the morning after Janet found the dirt on Dee Huddleston. She took it to angels and McConnell and mitch's. Like how. Yeah. How can we make this into a campaign commercial and Roger who was already portly that point in time? And was smoking a pipe. And so we're sitting in the in the office and, and he's just billowing smoke and Roger just kind of leans back in his chair almost to the point. You know, when a big guy leans back in sharing. You think he's probably gonna end up on the floor. That's roger. And there he is in his puff of smoke and he's just he's like dogs. I seem dogs, I see hound dogs. The story goes that Ailes had recently seen an ad for dog food for the dog is sort of running around all over the place sniffing out food, and he had this thought, what if instead of food, the dog was searching for Dee Huddleston. It only took a few days. And then this is what started showing up on TV's across Kentucky. My job was defined d Huddleston and get them back to work. Huddleston was missing. Big boats on social security, the budget defense, even culture with skipping votes. But making an extra fifty thousand dollars giving speeches missed in the ad a man in a floppy hat and plant shirt is being dragged across America by pack of bloodhounds. They drag him through the woods, then across a beach. They drag him in front of the US capital looking for Dee Huddleston. I was close these speech in Puerto Rico Huddleston. Thank you very much. Maybe we ought to let them make speeches and switch to Mitch for Senator. Ben behind, but forty points. Nobody thought Dee Huddleston was gonna lose. That's Kentucky journalists out cross again. But he in Roger Ailes knew that one of the best tools you can use to bring somebody down to get the voters to laugh at them, and people started laughing at the host ails able to humanize people. And also to refocus attention on a candidate's opponents in a way that dehumanizes them. And that's NPR media, correspondent, David Folkenflik McConnell cases, classic because you take somebody who's not particularly warm and conferred on him. The notion of a sense of humor. It gave McConnell humor by association. Some people criticized the ad called it misleading because as one magazine reported Dee Huddleston attendance record was actually ninety four percent. But it didn't matter the ad was getting attention across the country. It would go on to become a classic in the attack, ad, John Russia and at the time, McConnell. Pollster Lance, Terrence so the impact almost immediately they were moving up in the polls by as much as double digits. It really did the job and certainly get excited that we've got a race on our hands now. But the conventional wisdom was that Huddleston would still pull it out. Because McConnell, just didn't Mohit too much ground to make up. Good evening, and welcome to election, eighty four tonight in our studio. We have two candidates for the office of United States. Senator democrat, Walter Dee Huddleston and Republican Mitch McConnell and their one debate. The two spent a surprising amount of time, arguing about McConnell's negative campaigning. He started more than two years ago with his negative misleading and misrepresentation campaign against me and my record he has continued that right up until this very minute. Mcconnell was ready? I don't have any problems, the Huddleston. I like him. I think he's a nice fellow, what we've been talking about his record. And by the way, I think it's doubly amusing for him to still be complaining about a negative campaign. If you've had your television sets on the last couple of weeks all you've seen or outrageous negative campaigns against me. Well, I'm glad Mitch McConnell has brought this subject up again because it is indicative of the fallacious nature of his total campaign. Mitch McConnell was such a believer in going negative. He actually made a case for it during the debate when it's close when it's competitive, the two candidates are sort of like gladiators in the ring, and the public benefits from the two candidates getting into the ring mixing it up and bringing out observations about the other candidates record. And I think that's part of what makes the system work. In other words, get ready. This is how campaigns are going to be. National Public Radio. This is an election. Eighty four special report. I'm Linda Wertheimer. By election day McConnell was closer than ever in the polls, but he was still behind in the polls closed. The big story was that Ronald Reagan was clearly on his way to a landslide victory. NPR's calling eight of those states for the president those states, give the president a total of ninety one electoral votes would go onto win. Forty nine of fifty states. This is exactly what McConnell's team had been hoping for a big turnout. Reagan would mean more votes for McConnell and that became the second big story of the night, and in Kentucky upset, Mitch McConnell, the Republican beat the incumbent democrat, Walter, Huddleston, NPR's, Nina totenberg is following the Senate races. And has this report, the huddle Ston loss is a major blow to democratic hopes for picking up seats in the Senate a rundown. Now, the other Senate races, we've called beginning with the great upset of the evening so far in Kentucky. Fifteen years, Kentucky, data Republican senators, now, Mitch McConnell, made history Republicans are calling the most unaffected victory in the country. He is described as an extremely aggressive candidate. Someone said to me, he comes up to you and says we used to port me and you say, well, a d Huddleston is my best friend, and he says, well, we support me anyway. And then you samsar sorry Huddleston is married to my sister. And then he says, can you suggest someone else? That night, Mitch McConnell was the only Republican to take a democrat seat in the Senate. But it felt bigger than that, there's the sense that, oh, if this guy computer way, enough Democrats to vote for him in the south, perhaps, others could to perhaps. This is a sign of things to come loo- does this man, that the south is now the Republican part of the country the same way, the mountain west is generally written off, by the Democrats Linda, this may be the case ver- beginning to get real science tonight that realignments taking place. I'd say categorically from what we've gotten this early that the certainly the old solid. Democratic south is dead. Mitch McConnell has to say. All wonder people for coming out here tonight. The long years as wilderness two-party of his back in Kentucky. We've been reporting the series there's this number. I keep coming back to thinking about over and over again, five thousand the nineteen Eighty-four election was a landslide victory for Ronald Reagan, but it wasn't from Connell, and actually wound up being very, very close. Healy won by about five thousand votes. That's about one vote per precinct in Kentucky. I believed it, then and believe it. Now, again McConnell's campaign manager Jannie moans Grissom, it's like he will himself to get elected. He was singularly focused and no one worked harder than the candidate himself for Alec McGillis, who wrote the book on McConnell, this very narrow win in nineteen. Eighty-four is a real turning point for McConnell. And for the country prior to that he had been quite a moderate Republican in a lot of ways. But he saw the Republican party, shifting to the right with. With Reagan and now that he was representing the whole state was clear to him that he was going to have to shift quite a bit to the right. And he basically warned one of his friends that was coming down the pike literally warned him. Yes. That friend was Keith Runyon, who was part of the editorial board that endorsed McConnell for county judge executive in nineteen seventy seven after McConnell was sworn into the Senate Runyon was visiting Washington and the two had just had breakfast in the Senate dining room and as we were leaving. He said, Keith a half to tell you. I don't think you all will ever endorse me for Senate, and I sort of quizzical looked at him because well, how on earth would he know that he said, I'm going to have to move so far to the right to be reelected in the state that you will not be able to endorse that for Keith Runyon? Who knew McConnell as a moderate, this was disappointing. He was a very. Much progressive Republican when he was in Jefferson County and I don't think he was lying to us. I think what we saw was what we got. What we didn't understand was that his views were flexible enough to go along with the current mood. Here's what McConnell told us about this exchange quote. I'm not surprised. He was disappointed because he somehow expected me to be something. I never was a liberal still L cross as this turn to the right is key to understanding Mitch McConnell that into the painting the direction things are going in the party and in the country. And then going that way himself Twi McConnell keeps on winning he has adopted to what has gone on his party, and really that is, I think the ultimate secret of his success. From the beginning, there was nothing about Mitch McConnell that made him an obvious candidate for the job. He now has he was never very charismatic has never been overwhelmingly popular, but he has found ways to overcome that by playing down the middle of the road telling people what they need to hear through a mastery of the media ads making him warmer and funnier than he normally is in public and attacking opponents. And Alec mcgilla says there is one other tactic, Mitch McConnell used over the years to win. Maybe his most important tactic, the main way he found to win was to raise tons of money to be the guy who had way more money than the other guy, and that he needed to make sure that you didn't stanch the flow of money to politics because that's how he was going to win. That's next week on embedded. This episode was purported by Eric mental and me and produced by Eric with help from Tom drives Bach and Chris bender. It was ended by Bren buckman, Neil Caruth Rebecca hersher, Mark mentally, so Pollick endeared or Walsh. Our intern is nyala on dry. Research was by Susie Cummings. Thank you so much Susie fact, checking by Greta pittenger. Our lawyer is actually messenger. Our theme song is by Colin Watkins, big thanks to congressional correspondent, sue Davis in Washington editor Beth. Donovan. Thanks. Also to Debbie Britain at KT TV. Lisa. Henry Julian p Kanter political commercial archive at the university of Oklahoma. Nan. Mosier glibly Greider with McConnell Chow archives at the university of Louisville. Tom Owen and delicious Stevens buoy at the U of L, Jason Flaherty at the university of Kentucky, Mike Taylor. W L, E X, an Asia Neely of Cornell University, and thanks to Joe shift, Charlie mustn't Bill barber run Praglia Osco. Nicole hemmer. Michelle marya. Bob johnson. Bob Garrett Jerry Abramson Charlie cliff. Caroline ely. John ray-ban. Jessica loving Dolores still haunting. Row Cunningham Mike, Dalton Todd honed back Earl hurtling merger. Montgomery Jay, Bruce Miller, Terrence McCoy Bobby crab, Dickey Lee, and Ruth Happel of the ironworkers local number seventy in Louisville. Alec McGillis 's book is called, the cynic political education of Mitch McConnell, the biography, we mentioned is called Republican leader by John David dyke. Mitch McConnell's memoir is called the long game. I'll cross directs the institute for rural journalism and community issues at the university of Kentucky. And you can read his columns in the Louisville courier journal subscribe to this podcast, if you haven't already leave us a review hit us up on Twitter at NPR, embedded and come back. For more Mitch to hear about the one issue, many people say matters most to him and to hear from the man himself, thanks.

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Trump launches Twitter tirade against Dems & impeachment after calling for unity & "Respect"; OP Senator "disturbed" by impeachment trial coordination between McConnell, White House; Senate impeachment trial "impasse" continues through holidays as Pelosi

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"Out Front next so much for president. Trump's Christmas decor for unity. He's on a post holiday tear tonight. Plus the first Republican senator to take on the majority leader over impeachment is speaking out and high alert. US officials puzzled over North Korea's Christmas threat. Let's go out front good evening everyone. I'm Kate Baldwin in for Erin Burnett Alfred Tonight trump ending the holiday with a less than cheerful Christmas rant. Firing off tweet after tweet about impeachment flom. His from his Florida resort. The president was only seen today out playing golf but he clearly had a lot more on his mind signed calling House Democrats in tweets hypocrites over impeachment. Then calling the house speaker crazy and once again trying to label impeachment to scam in total tweeting fifteen times today mostly on impeachment and sending more than thirty tweets. Since Christmas Eve these attacks coming from the same president who you said this in his Christmas Day message while the challenges that face our country are great. The bonds that unite us are as Americans are much stronger together. We must strive to foster a culture of deeper understanding and respect that from president trump. Pamela Brown is out front. The White House for our so pam the hypocrisy of it all my friend the call for unity and then the tweets. It's clear this is weighing on him. Yeah that's absolutely right. President trump's twitter tirade standing in stark contrast kate to this unifying message that he delivered on Christmas in that statement. It is clear Kate. The president is shedding the short-lived Christmas spirit by taking direct aim. Democrats especially House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi labeling her San Francisco district as filthy dirty smearing her as crazy and remember he also attacked her just prior to Christmas with the baseless claim that she hates Republicans and his voters in that video conference after speaking with US troops so the president hasn't is clearly agitated. That Speaker Pelosi is holding up delivering the articles of impeachment to the Senate and deciding on impeachment managers until after it is clear her what the parameters of the Senate trial are and there is no sign tonight of a break that impasse that she has majority leader Mitch McConnell so what appears replaying out. Cade is present freshly impeached by the House eager for vindication in this in a trial in a tense break over the holiday stewing over the uncertainty of of. What will happen next now? I did speak to a close a source close to the president's legal team who tells me the lawyers for the president here at the White House personal lawyers they are still busy preparing for an eventual a senate trial as this source said it's not like lawyers are sitting around with nothing to do and I'm told that there are still serious discussions about having the lawyer Alan Dershowitz along with some gop allies of the president play a role in the Senate trial but things are still fluid. The timing of the Senate trial still fluid. So I'm told the only anything for certain in terms of the president's legal team is at Bologna of the White House counsel will be leading the defense in the Senate and he'll be assisted by several deputies and and also that the president's personal outside counsel will be playing a role kate then the only other certainty is that the president will not be staying quiet throughout. It's good to see you out the problem now. Democratic Congressman Gerry Connolly of Virginia Congressman. Thanks for coming in with UK. Appreciate it what. President trump is hitting on with some of his tweets is something that I have heard from other Republicans. which is that Democrats said? There was urgency behind impeachment in the house because the president presented a national security threat. I mean you have said that. He posed a clear and present danger yet now. Real or perceived Democrats are holding up the process and the Senate. What do you say to that? Well I think that the Speaker Kerr has reason to want to know what the institution the House of Representatives is handing over to the other institutions the to the United States Senate and what kind of fair trial. They're going to organize She's got to be bothered as most of us are Including Lisa Murkowski of Alaska Republican senator by statements made by the majority leader. Mitch McConnell and by Lindsey Graham and a few others That have clearly showed there anything but impartial. If this for normal trial and they were being looked at in the process for putting together a jury very that'd be dismissed from jury because they're not a partial. They have to take an oath the political trial. It's the trial Kate. It's a constitutional trial. They take a second oath to be impartial. Why do you think they take that oath? It's not a game. It's not something you'd be. You believe some of the Democratic senators in the in. The Senate are Impartial Elizabeth Warren is going to be impartial Bernie. Sanders is going to be impartial. On I believe every senator has has an obligation under the constitution to look at the evidence presented and to conduct a fair and impartial trial and arrive at a hopefully fair and impartial verdict. So let's talk about the process because it is important. I WANNA play you mentioned Lisa Murkowski. Let me play something that she said about. How Democrats ran the process in the house? Listen to this speaker. Pelosi was very clear very direct that her goal was to get this done before Christmas. If there was such urgency that it needed to be done before the end of the year then for what purpose die a she hold back on them at this point in time. We talked about that a bit just now but you have conceded. The articles aren't going to be withheld indefinitely. Should there be at least some sort of time line offered from the speaker. Well I think she's being smart in a creating some space for are Democratic leaders Schumer and the majority leader Mitch McConnell to try to come together and agree to some rules of engagement as the Republican and Democratic leaders did in and the previous impeachment trial Secondly she's got to be worried as I said earlier about statements from the Majority leader who said that they'll virtually be no distance at all between the Senate and the White House that he would be in full coordination. That trouble Lisa Murkowski. It troubles me and it probably almost almost certainly troubles speaker Pelosi. The speaker does need to name the house managers at some point. She said in her letter to Democratic House members this week that the number of people who want to be managers is indicative of our strong case. Obviously saying that there are a lot of people who want the job. Do you want the job I'M GONNA leave that up to to the speaker. She has A long list of very able members Obviously I'd be honored if I were asked but there are plenty of other members as well who are quite. What are the qualities ladies? Wha what is what what qualifies capable. What are the qualities if you don't want to name anyone that you think is important one these house managers for this moment good question? I think I think you've got to have a certain Logical progression of thought. That you can expostulated In the Senate to make a very compelling case I think you've got to be articulate. I think you've got to do your homework. That'd be very disciplined in laying out the facts and the evidence of this case Ace And hopefully persuading if not members of the Senate certainly the American public as to the gravity of the abuses of this president. You do you. Do you want the Senate to interview Mulvaney N Bolton. I think it would be useful If they did I thought it was very disingenuous in the part of Mitch. McConnell to say the house now wants the Who wants the Senate to do? Its job because they didn't interview them. Well we didn't interview them because they would not cooperate with a subpoena Or with the request to testify under White House Direction. If there's a court case still pending I believe with Mr Kuperman As to adjudication by court which do I abide by White House counsel Or a subpoena issued by the House representatives so Since we were not able to access their testimony it's perfectly proper if the Senate wants to do a thorough job and determine Innocence the guilt with respect to the charges brought to them in the two articles of impeachment. They should hear from this witness. I guess still not clear if that would make them show up a- any more likely they would show up then if they did in the house regardless congressman. Thank you for coming in my pleasure Cape. I'll front for us next could key. Republicans throw a wrench into Mitch. 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We you have to take that step back from being hand in glove with the defense out front now Joe Lockhart former Clinton White House press secretary car. Immersion Washington Post Congressional reporter and Michael Gerhardt Account a constitutional law professor who testified during the House impeachment hearings. Thanks for being here. You guys are really appreciated. Car and Murkowski knows her. Every word is being closely watched when she talks about impeachment. What is she he actually saying here? Well this is a bit of a message to the GOP leaders that you know what if we do this. We need to do this right. We cannot be working hand in glove. We need to do it fairly. There has been this. This dispute between the Democrats and Republicans as to what is a fair trial and I think that for people in the middle like Murkowski like Romney like probably Susan Collins who are representing an electorate that is not necessarily incompletely when one camp or the other on impeachment. They're saying look to say that we're working hand in glove with. The president is fundamentally speaking. Not Fair. Whichever way you think the witness list questions should come down? And so she's basically sending a signal to people like Mitch McConnell that. She's not comfortable with this. She don't count on her to go along with just rubber-stamping whatever. The trump defense team wants to do So it's a signal that maybe Lisa Murkowski's voters in play when it comes to determining who was going to be on the witness list whether anybody will be testifying from the Senate but I wouldn't go so far as to read that it's a signal that she is going to vote to convict the prisoner anything like that. There are a lot of interim steps. And she's fundamentally talking about fairness not guilty or not guilty of the president ultimately there is a long road between here and there. Joe Your perspective is. Is this significant coming from her. It is and I think there. There are conversations going on among a Republican. It's very well known that they're behind the scenes. Republicans pins in the Senate have a lot of problems with trump. Don't ever talk about it out loud so I think it is significant. You know if Mitt Romney had said this trump would have been all over he's a never-trumper and all of that Murkowski doesn't have that same. You know public persona so I also interesting. Put it that way. That trump hasn't said anything. Well he you know He. He alluded to it in one tweet today talking about all the Republican Senate the fifty one republican senators with with McConnell right. You know you can do the math. Maybe he meant trump. Maybe he met Hausky I was not giving too much credit here but I think the conversations Are that are going on. Or how do we how hunter we roll this out with maximum pressure on McConnell to change so the people to watch now I think are in three groups Romney his in his own group the six or seven vulnerable senators who arrive. Everyone from Cory Gardner to Martha mcsally and then the retiring senators and I think Lamar Alexander interest key there so when they come back. It'll be really interesting to see if maybe Senator Alexandra ways or Senator Romney or Senator Gardner because they only need for and I think what more than anything this Murkowski telling McConnell. You can't do it this way. Come back with a better better offer and we'll talk. That is interesting Michael. It's not unheard of in term for McConnell to coordinate on some level with the White House that happened during Clinton Clinton impeachment joe well but where is the line. Well it's clear senator. Kyle's cross the line. He's the first Senate majority leader in the history of the United States to declare a presidential impeachment trial. The he's going to coordinate everything with the president that's a quote he used the word everything. And and that's what makes this particularly unusual and we expect perhaps some coordination at some level Senator Daschle Minority leader at the time. The Clinton impeachment trial cordy. Okay with staff a high level staff in the White House But here it sounds as if the majority leader will be in constant interaction. Not just with the president the with his top lawyer who will be there at the trial representing the president. So this creates the the atmosphere in which Senator Murkowski has come forward to say. Hold on on we've got to rethink this This doesn't look like a fair trial. It's not being perceived by the American people as a fair trial. Our job is and I think she's right about this our job it's to protect the institutional integrity of the United States Senate and I think that's what she's trying to do car. Let me play something. The president said over the holiday about the Senate impeachment the process ultimately that decision is going to be made by Mitch McConnell and he will make it he has the right to do whatever he wants. He's the head of the. Should I have to say. I was quite surprised that coming from a man who has often said the only opinion that matters us his own. I mean do you think. Mitch McConnell McConnell is really driving strain not by himself and I think that if you were driving the train by himself he wouldn't have felt like he had to say that he was working hand in glove with the president Mitch McConnell has had some influence over the White House. He certainly had many influence over the president's advisors he's been able to pursue agendas that he cared about a lot in terms of you with judges and things like that but Mitch McConnell has not been the voice and the bully pulpit of the GOP since trump took office. I don't think that that has changed radically overnight. I think the fact that the president it said that probably made it both McConnell and trump's legal team breathe a bit of a sigh of relief that he is at least publicly saying okay. I'm deferring to the Senate majority leader on this but the president. I didn't have to follow that comment. That statement with the discipline of make sure he stays on that message with his twitter account in the days and weeks ahead and also it's. It's clear that the president does wield influence here and that the the Congressional Republicans are responsive to that influence. That it's been the way it's been on every subject that has been the way it's I've been to date on impeachment as well and it does not seem that just because the president has said this at that fundamentally changes that power balance But but the fact that he said it does potentially give McConnell a little bit more ability to respond to these charges that he's just doing the president's bidding the fact that the that the president has said. No it's okay. I'm going to defer to him all right guys asking if you could stand by out front next. We're learning more tonight. About what a Senate impeachment trial might look and sound like wasn't senators will not be allowed to speak which would be good therapy for a number of them and for all of us and to billionaire. Candidates dropped two hundred million dollars on advertising advertising alone. Is this spending out of control. 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Nancy Pelosi on when she will send over the articles of impeachment. Or what Democrats want to see. These senate trial looked like and so far of course. Mitch McConnell not blinking but there are some very interesting things we do know already lauren. Fox's out front the communique six days a week and absolutely absolutely no talking. Those are the rules that could govern the Senate's impeachment trial a we will have to convey in every day six days after out of seven at twelve thirty one o'clock in the afternoon senators will not be allowed to speak which would be good therapy for a number of them contours of the trial L. or still in limbo we don't know the arena that we are in. We'd like to see a fair process. But we'll see what they have and we'll be ready for whatever it is but if all else fails L. Senate rules from the past impeachment. Trials may serve as a model this time around once the articles are sent over the rules. Dictate that a Senate impeachment. Trial is to beginning at one PM. The following day and expected guests in the Senate Chamber F- Chief Justice John Roberts presiding over the Senate trial. He he wants. It begins the sergeant of arms will issue a stark warning to senators to quote. Keep silence on pain of imprisonment. Senators also sore expected to take an oath vowing to quote do impartial justice before sitting in their desks for the trial of your. There's no way of knowing how long a trial could last. Many Republicans have argued. They'd prefer shorter one without any witnesses. Even the president has suggested he wants a more robust defense wants to clear his name give President his day in court. And let's get this behind us a win talk about things that people really care about also unknown who will play play. The role of the house managers the Democrats who will make the case against. The President Speaker is waiting to understand what the rules of the of the trial. We're GONNA be so. She's appointing the right people once. The trial is underway if lawmakers have questions for witnesses or motions to offer they would likely make them in writing to the chief. The Justice Center will convene is court of impeachment when it's time to vote on each article of impeachment lawmakers stand next to their desks and answer guilty or not guilty Mr Spector and Arlen Specter. They're all making a very famous vote by saying not proven therefore not guilty and that confused. The Senate clerks for a moment kate but you know so much of this is unknown at this. This Point Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell hopes to have control of all of his Republican members but it only takes fifty one votes for any of these rules to change and to to really change the course of history kate. Hope is the operative word on that one. Thank you Laura. I really appreciate. Everyone is back here with me so right now speaker Pelosi on some level is leaving everyone everyone hanging no idea when the trial is now going to begin. Or what exactly. It's GonNa look like or even what the definition of a fair trial is in the eyes of House. Democrats is this part of a grand plan Dan or do you think. The speaker is making a tactical mistake. No I think she's effectively using leverage to keep the focus on whether they'll be live witnesses or not if she. You had sent the articles of impeachment over to try to start a January six and we'd all have moved onto. You know exactly who the house managers are and gaming out the trial so it was very smart. I think if you go back to nineteen ninety nine I remember you want to build you. I really do. I remember distinctly Gli You know we made what I thought was a a great proposal. You know to Tom Daschle saying. Let's do this quickly. Everyone's been interviewed. Know why witnesses and he said you know are considerate and then the chief of staff came into my office and said well. They've told us to get lost. They're going to do it their own way. They voted on hundreds of nothing and I said well what am I supposed sustain. He said just blast on. I was like really and he. He said Yeah so the Senate has the ability to tell the White House to get lost. They did it. Nineteen ninety nine and they should do it again fascinating. You're on on. This is always something that just draws me and tell me more joe car the Democrats in almost every interview that I've seen including with Jerry Connolly deceiving on with me or applauding Pelosi's approach here from Congress. Is this further evidence of the tight grip. She has on the caucus or does everyone do genuinely agree with her. Look I think that there was we. We saw DISCHORD play out within the house. Democrats and over the course impeachment inquiry over the course of choosing what sorts of articles that are actually going to file they. We're not as united as they wanted to seem very very long time at many very many turns on this road but they came to a point where ultimately when they took that vote In late December they were all but To people on the first article in three on the second and one of those people that do not stick with the party switched parties after that so they've reached this point of cohesion and frankly their their worst play at this point would have that start to fray and break apart at least publicly as they're trying to stand up to the Senate right now to guarantee that there can be a trial that consider acidity their articles in their charges the way that they think that that should actually happen and do so by looking at witnesses as well so I think it's. It's interesting that you're hearing Pelosi as as we've been reporting for years has quite a ability to count votes and and and and work with the ranks of a party and both carrots and sticks for doing that but but the fact that they went through this entire process and came to this point is I think why you're seeing so much unanimity in the voices of that are talking about what her play is right here and also I think it's important to know that you're not hearing from the moderates who were kind of the last holdouts on the impeachment vote and everything else like that they are kind of keeping their own counsel during this this break and probably probably for the if they had any if they're still harboring doubts that's probably a strategic. Move to make sure that that Those questions are not being voiced at a time when it's important for everybody to kind of hold rank until they figure out what's going on with this tug of war between the House and Senate and that's a great point and Michael Though there is a lot that we do not know as more was laying Out in that piece there are some very interesting rules that are already in place. Senators required to submit your questions for witnesses in writing. I don't know why I'm so fascinated by it but I am no matter how partisan this trial is. How formal is it likely to be? It is likely to appear to be quite formal. Keep in mind that this constitution says very little about the trial. Of course it's the constitution. Says the Senate has the sole power try impeachments. The Senate gives the Constitution gives the Senate authority to devise its own procedures otherwise and then the critical thing to read which I doubt many people have read are the the actual. Senate rules that pertain to impeachment trials. And so those rules for example provide that. Nothing's in the Senate is going to begin. Until the articles are marched over to the Senate so all the talk about the Senate doing anything before the articles arrive is in complete contravention of the rules beyond that as you point out there are requirements That senators put it down to questions of writing and the other critical thing to watch for is the resolution that gets passed at the front end of the impeachment trial. That resolution is Joe is referring to earlier that was passed one hundred two zero and that resolution will dictate the basic procedure that symbol. That's the thing to watch and that will inform everybody about what are the procedures that will follow very soon thereafter and the actual trial fascinating. Joe When we think about the trial one unknown still still amongst a lot is who will be speaking for the president. We do know that Alan Dershowitz Panel Brown has been reporting. This has been informally advising the presence legal team and trump was seen talking talking to Dershowitz at dinner on Christmas Eve. Just a couple of days ago is Dorsey with someone that you could see the president tapping to speak for him in the Senate trial. Well I think if if the president's goal was to make this into a reality TV program and a three ring circus you there's no better than Alan Dershowitz. The only one who'd be better. Where's Rudy Giuliani? The other one who's been floated now. Both of them are embroiled in their own legal disputes. Right now brewed being investigated by. Sdn Y Alan Dershowitz Switzer's involved too. I think to people suing him for sexual assault as part of the broader Jeffrey Epstein case. So I mean I I was trying to think of who the third ring in could be and I guess he could bring in Waco Albany just to try to be bipartisan but if his goal is to make fun of the process. You're going to see people like Dershowitz. It's Juliani on on the floor of the Senate Standby Standby I. Guess is the only thing I'll say to that. Thank you guys really appreciate it. Thanks so much out front next. Wouldn't wouldn't you spend one hundred million dollars. Do you get to about five percent in the polls yes I know your answer is i. Give me one hundred million dollars and then we'll talk about it but that is what at least two billionaires have done already already. This cycle and military is on high alert for Kim Jong Christmas gift. What does he sending? Hi Everyone I'm poppy harlow were out with a new boss files episode. She ran for president was the first woman to run a fortune. Fifty Company and a cancer survivor. Who says she? She is not afraid of anything anymore. Carly Fiorina she's out with a new book find your way unleash your power and highest potential. She was CEO of hewlett-packard during the dotcom boom and bus. Before being fired in what she calls a boardroom brawl. She's faced. Discrimination survived breast cancer Sir and lived through the unimaginable loss of a child. She calls herself a problem solver and says that's why she ran for president after running against then candidate trump two thousand sixteen to Sheikh think he should be impeached amount. I asked her here at all on boss files subscribed today newham like everybody in Palm Beach. No no one knows how the happening was gardening my short and pulling my body onto already naked body after the night for sixteen years. I've reported on Jeffrey Epstein's eighty the man the multi-millionaire the monster now go behind the story with me Vicky Hurst of CNN's new podcast. The Jeffrey Epstein I knew subscribe now wherever you get. You put costs tonight tonight. Twenty two thousand presidential candidates are trickling back on the campaign trail. After a holiday break. Andrew Yang was in South Carolina. Tonight where if you turned on the TV and you like did. He could very likely clear have been greeted by millions of dollars advertising. Not by anyone in the top tier but from at least one of the two billionaires running tire and Michael Bloomberg are spending it combined in two hundred and eleven million dollars on television advertising already. That's more than seven times. The combined total of what all of the other democratic campaigns have spent on television advertising retiring. Think about that out front now. Patrick Healey politics editor at The New York Times in CNN political analyst and Maria Cardona Democratic strategist and CNN political commentator. It's it's good to see you guys so thank you. Do you see evidence yet that this kind of spending this level of it is proving effective some evidence but not the kind that the candidates necessarily want Tom Steinmeyer. It's all short term. It's basically to bump up. His poll numbers a little bit in order to get into the debates dumb that but but there's no really long term strategy or momentum that has developed for him so he's really burning money just to get what ten eleven minutes of airtime time in these debates. Michael Bloomberg on the other hand is seeing bumps in the polls up to like five to seven percent which is very fast so that money is having impact and even more important for Democrats party that has not raising a ton of money right now. Compared to Republicans he is pouring money into these anti-trump attack ads. That as we know in two thousand fifteen republicans were attacking each other. They weren't going after trump until it was too late. So the the key thing though that we don't know is whether the Bloomberg Bloomberg money will lead dry real national strategy on Super Tuesday whether there'll be a payoff never been tried before we just don't know and some have argued known. No one has been able to afford it before as part of it but to to Patrick's point in just so our viewers can see if this this latest polling shows Bloomberg at five percent nationally star at at one percent but as Patrick points out in the early state polls he has made it on the debate. Stage both both spending these enormous norm ass- honestly obscene sums of money and deploying into very different strategies rights dire focused on the early states and Bloomberg focused on really only Super Tuesday states. And beyond do you see one candidate using this money better than the other. Well let's take a look at it and see the reasons why this is happening Kate so Mike Mike Bloomberg is not doing the Super Tuesday strategy because he thought it was the smartest thing in the world to do. He's doing it out of necessity because he got in so late eight and he didn't see there that there was really a possibility for him to really make a play for the early states. And so you know while it's never been tried before he. He is doing what he needs to do. In terms of trying to make it as as possible and as probable for him to get ahead in the in the Super Tuesday Tuesday states. But I think there's a couple things going on here. The first one is that the message is not one that is consistent with Democratic Party messages. Right and that's what you're seeing from Sanders and Warren attacking these billionaires saying. They're trying to buy your votes. The second thing is that a lot of the voters aren't really clamoring for billionaires to have jumped into this race and so a lot of people view their candidacies as simply vanity projects for them and that there's no real pathway and no real base for them to get to the point where they need to be and let's think about delegates right while there has been some increase in the percentages tonnages from a polling perspective right. We're one month from Iowa these candidates and I'm talking all candidates here need to start showing that they can can at least get some delegates and that doesn't happen until you top fifteen percent of support in any state. Let's let's actually hone hone in on Iowa Because I want you both both of your take on something that political points this out and I think it's actually very fascinating. Really political is reporting some some democratic insiders are saying Bernie Sanders could win the nomination and Dan pfeiffer one of the people quoted in the article who of course is an advisor zero two former president Obama. This is what he says in his quarter to sang. I believe people should be taking him very seriously. He has a very good shot of winning Iowa. A very good shot of winning New Hampshire and and other than Joe Biden the best shot of winning Nevada. You supported Clinton in two thousand sixteen. You were pretty critical of Sanders and the talk about Iowa though now it really does often overlook sanders thirty nine days to go to Iowa. How good of a chance do you think he has this time around? I completely agree with Dan. I think that every other candidate who sees obviously every other candidate as a threat but more so those that are at the top of the polls should see sanders as a real threat because he has shown not just staying power but bounceback power right at the beginning. I think a lot of people to their payroll kind of thought that his time had been over over. Time was two thousand sixteen that Elizabeth Warren was the one who was kind of eating his lunch and that the horizon the polls really put a dent into his supporters. And that may they have been true at the time but we're now back full circle where he is the one showing the strength among the Progressive Base. And I think that a couple of things that people saw him saw saw as vulnerable vulnerabilities for him were actually strengths and so we should absolutely taken very seriously every candidate should because anything is possible at this point I do think it's fascinating. meaning that the talk especially in Iowa. It's about Warren. It's about Biden. It's or even P- Buddha digit. What do you think about this? Why do you think Sanders has not gotten the attention and also that would mean for a lot of scrutiny? Sure I mean what am I reporter. Sydney Ember spent the last several weeks talking to sanders supporters and other supporters. About sort of who their second choices either who their first choice thing that we hear over and over again That Sydney reported today is that all the other candidates rates will name like two or three other zeal. You'll hear Warren talked to support us. Talk about booted talk about Biden if the Sanders supporters. Who say it's Bernie Bernie? The problem is when it's burning your bust but the good news burning right now is those people are loyal. They're likely to turnout on caucus days. They're not going anywhere and there's enthusiasm awesome there yet again. Can't wait for Iowa. Good to see you guys. Thank you so much out front asking. US officials puzzled by North Korea's threat. Is Kim Jong backing down. Down and Latinos for trump. Can they grow their support for the president. Thank you bye-bye were you. was officials puzzled after Christmas has passed without the quote unquote Christmas gift threatened by North Korea. Officials had expected that to mean a missile test of some sort. President trump. On Christmas Eve seem to downplay the escalating tension this way. Maybe it's a nice president. Maybe it's a present where he sends a beautiful vase as opposed to a missile test. Kylie Atwood is out front in Washington Tonight Kylie. What are you learning yes okay? US officials are a bit puzzled because Christmas has passed and that Christmas Christmas gift that North Korea promise hasn't come and as you said they expected it was going to be some kind of weapons tests by North Korea that is what satellite imagery and US intelligence indicated. They were preparing for but the bottom line here is that the. US is still prepared for that to potentially happen. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that it won't and the U. C. N. N. has learned that the US has pre approved a series stories of military actions. That could take these are show of force actions. They're not direct military actions against North Korea but their options that include things like like US aircraft aircraft bombers flying over the Korean peninsula or military drills happening on the ground and that is the reporting from the Pentagon from Barbara Starr tonight so. US officials are still prepared for this possibility but it is important to note however kate. The North Korea has has carried out short range missile tests over the last few months and the US has done nothing in response. It's a very good point. Thank you so much carly. I'll from now ambassador. Joseph June he was president trump's special envoy on North North Korea. He was involved in the hostage. Negotiations that led to the release of American College student. Auto warmbier ambassador. Thank you for being here. Thank you good to be with you. Thank you so much. Are you surprised that Christmas is coming on. And so far no missile test. Well I must say somewhat but however I do think if you look at the original statement From Kim Jong UN he mentioned end of the year so Christmas especially in Korea is a little bit of a flexible concept. It does not end on December twenty fifth. So I do still expect something could happen within next COUPLA weeks but also remember that Early January is Kim Jones birthday so we could this period of could extend for I would say on the two or three weeks or so. That's that's very important perspective. And but the harsh the reality is that nothing. The administration has done since that first summit in Singapore has stopped the north from continuing to build up its weapons program its arsenal and earlier this week. The president's former national security adviser John Bolton said this he said that the idea that we are somehow exerting maximum maximum pressure on North Korea is just unfortunately not true. Do you agree with John. Bolton I do agree with John John Bolton most of this pressure remember was in sanctions and almost by definition sanctions erode over time. And if they're not automated if they're not strengthens they will erode and this is especially true because most of North Korean trade with China over ninety percent end of North Korean trade with China and China has not really been enforcing those sanctions and this is also due to us. Trade war with China. So there is no into zero-some in China or Russia to enforce the sanctions so as a result Baltin is completely right. Maximum pressure is no more sanctions. Pressure has eroded you mentioned the end of the year. I mean the north imposed self imposed deadline of At the end of the year for the United States to soften sanctions is when it comes to the stalled nuclear talks when the US does not what does that mean. Well it means that Really if you're looking at it from Kim Jong UN's point of view that's his highest priority to get at least some sanctions relief and if that does not happen. He's going to react and it's going to react. I believe As Kylie as mentioned most likely missile launch is one of them and remember Descends been president. Trump's big saying that there has not being an ICBM so I do expect over the next few weeks there will be some kind of provocation from North Korea ambassador. Thank you so much I really appreciate it. I'll front for us next. The president's Latino supporters sticking by him even though they admit that it's a tough road to travel and on New Year's Day. Be sure to tune in for the new CNN. Film Linda Ronstadt the sound of my voice. She came to Los Angeles Angelis. I was eighteen years old and we found a little bit of color. Show system ponies the L. S. was in Europe and the whole damn thing broke loop. There was a lot of music. Folk Music Co Mingling. Hopton we define what this is going to be Glenda was the queen. She was like what beyond says now. She was the only female artist five platinum albums in a row bad. I can't help it if I'm still in love with you was hit on the country charts. You're not good with a head on both the R&B chart the pop chart by became the first artist to have a hit on all three charts. She was the first team rock. And Roll Star the sound of my voice New Year's Day on CNN tonight President President Trump's border chief promising trump is close to delivering his promised wall and while many Latino voters opposed trump's wall of course one supporter. No Paso thinks he can help win over over those same voters out front are you a member borders panics yet ray Baca has his work cut out for him as the chair. Chair of the Border Hispanics for trump living in the democratic stronghold of El Paso. His goal is to get Latinos to help reelect the president. But the odds are against him on with mortar Hispanics for trump. Are you have you heard of us. As the sixty five year old sees it. There are countless Latinos who support the president but are afraid to admit it. He hopes to convince them that their values are or more in line with the GOP. And with trump I look at president trump as one who most closely represents my values people will hear that and say values values values is the president. Has When you say that. What do you mean? I'm being supporting things that I support being against. Abortion being for limited government involvement being for border security indeed support for trump in Texas among Latinos has remained steady at thirty percent according to a recent CNN. Poll the unwavering unwavering support comes in the face of criticism over the president's rhetoric on the Latino community which is critics at best see as offensive and at worst racist when Mexico it goes sends its people. They're not sending their best. How can you still support somebody who they see as saying racist things against the Latino community? I disagree I I. I really don't think he's said things that are racist in August twenty. Two people were killed in a racist attack targeting Latinos El Paso Walmart Bacha says anyone who blames trump because of his rhetoric and border policies is trying to make political hay of the shooting. I just don't think you can hold a president or president trump in particular responsible responsible for the actions of a Single Madman Bach agrees with the president on most things but not everything mainly though he supports the idea of a wall. He questions the practicality of building one across the entire US Mexico border a signature issue for trump and his base. But I see him with his fault I see him warts and all. I don't WanNA spend two hundred billion dollars on wall if you can do it for fifty million and solve the problem. I'm Rebecca. We're good to see you good to see you tonight. bacchus pitch for trump comes at an impromptu gathering of conservatives but even in a friendly crowd it can be a hard sell. Thank you bye-bye can't what all but there are already some unlikely voters he doesn't have to win over the president trump president originally from Mexico twenty nine year old block of basically became a US citizen just five years ago she plans on voting for trump trump again in two thousand twenty. I massive but why you know like I feel like someone's GonNa throw eggs. I'm your I'm going to be shunned from the Hispanic community. Can you know shunned by some. Perhaps but that's what Ray Baca and trump are counting on. We need to get our Hispanic brethren to whip voting Democrats Democrats simply because that's what they've always voted Dick Lynch CNN Texas. Thanks so much nick and thank you so much for joining us tonight. A C three sixty starts now. Are you interested in learning how enterprise scale companies drive organic traffic to increase their online visibility than download the voices of search podcast from the heart of Silicon Valley here search metrics. CEO Jordan Kuni. 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We literally hate every single other podcast provider as you guys know, and especially the main one, and you know, which one we're talking about and we're super excited that we're finally on Cass box. Because we think it's the best. So try it. It's gay politics, America's unkind, but we're not going to let it go down like that. Because we've got a dumb gay podcast, dumb gay political podcast. We probably don't have all the facts, but we got opinions and we'll probably backtrack. That's Dom gay podcasts. Adum political podcast. It's all it's all shit. It's all shit. I don't know. I three I am extremely. Of this shit is. The. This shit is Trump t- argue MP eight. What I don't know. I don't even know. Hey, everybody. Welcome to dumb, gay politics. I'm julie. And I'm brandy. And this is the podcast where we talk about the week in politics. Like, we are talking about reality. Tv and gar all I want to talk about is reality TV might have to change the podcast. Not kidding. I hate politics. I never thought I was going to say this. But I hated to it's I'm so I hate all of them the Kardashian started on Sunday all want to do is talk about Kardashians, and Adnan Siodmak Adleman Siad mugger still in jail. I wanna talk about him too. I want maybe we could just make the podcast like watching documentaries. And and talking about the injustices from the documentaries that we watch that we can't believe are still happening because I'm telling you, I could give you a list. I don't know if I'm going to be able to continue watching things that like, whatever the blood. Documentary or whatever where it's just injustices because it's making my tolerance for this podcast. Very low. Yeah. Now, I I was going to tell you to watch even more of them like, well, I really get crazy such as the one with the son that your brother wants to go down and kill the guy. Yeah. I mean, you said that one is a good one. If you want to sit and cry because the u the letter to Acharya letter Vaccari something about my son, or whatever it is probably one of the saddest and most unjust thing. I've ever seen in my life. So that's why you're crying, you're crying. Because you can't you can't believe like, you can't believe first of all just how sad, and there's whatever. But the in Justice, you can't believe it. Yeah. I just can't take that heavily with politics today. There's just too much of it, you know, and. That ad non-site. Just had me we had to immediately put on the Kardashians to cleanse the palate. Because they feel like they've been done dirty, and they really haven't right when they said we can't catch a break. Yeah. Like there's guys in jail for twenty years for crime. He didn't commit to are. Sorry. You're like their names are card Asha breaks like they get nothing but breaks breaks all day long for them. You're so rich, and so have everything, and I know listen khloe said everyone goes through things, and that's true. But I mean, no. So that's on. We're going to be all over that. Because I need I need reality TV in my life. And I need a break from this. So the politics you guys are episode. It's really it's frustrating. It might come back to we might have to dumb gay politics of reality. Tv exactly you know, what? I mean. Yes. I do that could be considered our patriotic. If you're interested in joining WWW dot patriots dot com slash dumb, gay politics. We had a Skype call with Tim curry this week. We talked to Tim curry face to face we paid like three hundred dollars from the service, and we have three minutes, and we're going to tell the whole story. It was a hairy. Fucking hair-raising episode where we had to be Julius truck. And and do like the hot spot from her phone, and we're driving on like a won't basically a one way street and there's nowhere to pull over. And I'm like, I'm not fucking talking to him by myself if he comes on right now, I'm hanging this up. I'm shutting the computer she's like a pullover. And so that's if you want to hear that story. Sign up for our patriots because we're going to talk about that this week. You never know. You might see Tim curry on this podcast, or you never know. Who knows what are what are continued relationship with Tim curry magin, Tim curry being interviewed on the podcast when Tim curry who sing sweet transvestite ends every podcast every podcast, you'll have to matron if you wanna know if we told him that. And we got a postcard we got a postcard from Jen and jests they say they're one of the fourteen because they share a patriot. And you know, what Jenin ingests we love when people share the patriot. We want that we want people to share the code. It makes me feel very Netflix. Jewish share all of our coz everything. And so there from Brooklyn, and they're sweet leads at a soccer game. And they're going on right in the drug dens. We love you guys J J. And then we got this letter from max are and he sent us. What did he send us now? Now, he sent us a box of scrunches scrunchy scrunchy. He sent us a box of scrunchy and like with the GP logo. So it's a huge box of all these fluffy. Scrambling all different colors, all roughly and so cute with our logo on it. We definitely got to send one Jennifer Johnston are seemed digital artists invented the logo with us. Yup. She designed it. Well, we designed it. I guess and she she she made it as she does everything for us. She's a genius. And max when I was reading your letter, I was reading, of course, in the truck, we do everything of import and Julie's truck, and I was like, oh, my God, we should use this as our review as a new review and turns out max is the one who wrote our original review that we use on all of our promo cards and all of ours promo materials when we when we send letters to try to get guests on the show, we use that review and Julie's to have printed on a lot of her stand up stuff. So it's just funny because the the flair is there it's a flare that appeals to us good writer. So you're going to read this letter max like I appreciate that we Reggie review back in two thousand seventeen you're still here because I'm quite sure many many many of the fourteen or. John. I mean, I know I would be dear Julian brandy I'm writing because you've mentioned on both GP in the patriot on that you're still somewhat in your feelings in two thousand nineteen true. And that it helps you to hear from members of the fourteen I won't presume to know what you've gone through over the past year. But I felt the need to reach out given how often the two of you have helped me cope with my problems throughout the years. Johnny McGovern fag angel that he is has introduced me to many queer and queer adjacent artists and entertainers through. Hey, Queen YouTube being my absolute favorites, I fell in love with you both while watching hot tea, which led me to people's couch. GDP the patriot in your box office vendor. Pump rules after show. You are both hilarious brilliant comedians. Julie few things in life, delight me, more than your indignant, rage filled. Fantasies of vigilante Justice, brandy the same as truth of your sardonic casually. Savage. Insults. Julie your moral outrage and thirst for retribution alongside brandies jaded realpolitik and desire to feel numb perfectly rep. Present my worldview, and my emotions I mean, that's when I said we need to put this on. I mean that is good. I love casually savage insults. In addition to your fierceness, your silliness and your hilariousness. I always appreciate your displays of character and compassion, your discussions of major socio political issues on DIGI p reveal that underneath it all you both care about the suffering of others and hope to see the country evolve. In terms of its shared values and collective notions of common decency. I believe that GP contributes to that vision by making politics and current events more accessible and understandable for people who might otherwise be less informed. That's kind of what the review said member. Yeah. Yes. Even for news junkie such as myself aids. Comprehension and often provides information that I had missed amidst. The storm headline I find that hard to believe, but thank you. And then we skip to tell you all of this to give you a sense of the types of feelings and concerns from what you offer me relief. I find it very therapeutic to listen to your podcast or watch you on hot tea when I'm in my feelings, you make me feel validated. And understood by. Showing me that there are other people who share my opinions values you lift my spirits by reminding me that there are reasons to laugh and to be joyful in spite of the shit storm and douchebag ary that surrounded us, surround us, the beautiful friendship and creative partnership that you to shares inspiring warms my heart when my heart feels broken. Thank you again for all that you do. I hope that's gone Chee nineteen brings you happiness and fulfillment. The interview of Bill Browder and Trump gate were major accomplishments, and I'm so proud of you both Rachel Maddow sees you to coming for her gig. And she's right to be worried. Truly, those episodes of GP were expert pieces of journalism. That's so sweet. I love that the next time. You too are in your feelings. Currently right now right now, I hope that it will help a bit to know that there's a gay future lawyer in Boston values and respects you both. I wanted to get you a gift to celebrate the year of the scrunchy. So I found a company that was able to print the GP local logo onto scrunches. I figured that. You could keep some of them for yourself and. Out the rest as gifts or promotional materials. So that's sincerely yours. Mac yet. Max are max are sell max, we are going to we're going to keep a lot of them. Because God knows we lose them. Julie's already got them. Like all in our truck on her life gearshift, and such and we're going to put your handsome, handsome handsome pictures on our drug dim bulletin board. We're gonna put you on the horse right next to Andy Oni, and Harry who would have more than one horn. So great got our our listeners are so fancy I love it. I mean, it really is a dream realized and we're gonna we have on our website. You guys WWW dot Julian brandy dot com. We have emerged section, and if you buy one of our shirts that we have there's four shirts available. Jennifer Johnson has her own shop, and she doesn't have these. You'll probably make these now because easy for her. But we'll send you a free scrunchy. If you're. A girl. And then I guess if you're if you're and you want one just say that you won't want. You know, what I mean, we don't you you just wear it on your wrist. It's like nobody's really putting their hair up with it. That's true. But those of you who do listen welcome to the eighties and the nineties scratchy nineteen and we all deserve to celebrate girl. Or boy, it's so we will thanks to max we will send that with in will really seem fancy because we also send these Obama postcards that we still to this day. Don't know who sends them to us. We don't we get we've gotten packages of them. And we send those postcards with the shirts. But we don't know who you're listening in these from you, let us know send us more and. Because now it really is. Like a communal affair like the show. We made the shirts and Jennifer Don help Dawson we and then we use the card that somebody helped us grungy. And that max. Everything is very familial. Well, it really it really steps the scrunchy nineteen game way on up, and I am like balance determined to make this God damn year. The best year of our lives. Well, let's get the shit storm. Shit put up on the wall chicken. Bitch shit off of the it down on the floor in the glass. Both you take some bucks and put up on the wash. Another week without the mullahs report brings another shit storm about the bar report. Now, we told you guys last week that the mother investigation ended and Robert Muller turned his report in to attorney general Bill bar bar read the enormous report in forty eight hours. And then summarize it in a four page report called the by report. And according to the bar report. There just was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. It's all fine yet, fine, the Democrats, and the people paying attention are having none of it. And that includes us we wanna see the God damn Muller report and not Bill bars. Bullshit book report vice report one more time. So if every if f so everyone spent all week demanding for it to be released the house passed proposal that would require bar to release it and Mitch McConnell blocked. The proposal, of course, but we'll get to Mitch maternal later. Damn now, regardless of Mitch the bitch. Bill bar made a statement promising to release the mullahs report to the public by mid April. His letter stated that him and his team are coming through the four hundred page report identifying and redecorating the following one material subject to federal rule of criminal procedure six that by law cannot be made public. What does that mean? Material subject to federal rule of criminal procedure six that bylaw cannot be made public guess just private just stuff. I can't. To material the intelligence community dentis as potentially compromising sensitive sources and methods. So keeping your sources safe. Okay. Three material that could affect other ongoing matters, including those that the special counsel has referred to other department offices. So all those southern district of New York about all the other investigation. Okay. And for information that would unduly infringe on the personal privacy and reputational interests of peripheral third parties. Yeah. And Don, jR of Jared Kushner, Eric Trump Malania, Barron. The hookers any of his cabinet members any of Trump's lawyers and anyone else affiliated with Trump that hasn't already been indicted. The whole fucking thing is going to be rejected at this point. But here's the catch. Adam Schiff, the head of the house intelligence committee. And Mark Warner the vice chair of the Senate intelligence committee are by statute entitled and allowed to see the report full and on reducted. Okay. So since that's the case. Everyone's going crazy and before Adam Schiff can even see the shit. The Republicans got together to smear him and bully him in an effort to get him to step down. So he can never see the unredacted report PS, we Hoke hauled. He's hollywood. He's that shift and it didn't work and he said bitch. Try again, exactly I'm sorry. Somebody knocking at the door. I'm not answering try again, I don't think. So. No, thank you. So at an open hearing, Mike Conaway read a letter on behalf of the House Republicans asking Adam Schiff to step down from his position as head of the house Intel committee now we're going to play you the end of his remarks because it's the only one we could find right line. But the end of Marcano air, Mike Conaway sucking name is he's the Republican reading the letter where they'll talk to Adam Schiff until right down. And then you're going to hear Adam Schiff. Yes, he he's very toned-down. He's not giving you West Hollywood. No. But he does come correct. Yes. He does a subtle come correct for them. And he gets the point across. So in case, you haven't heard it. And I also just wanna point out that for you to visualize. I want you to close your eyes visualize take a moment. I want you to visualize Adam Schiff being cool, calm collected doing his Vaga Trie. And also next to Adam Schiff is Devon newness. That's right. Everyone Devin noon as. Sitting next to Adam Schiff mic, Conway's two seats down and Adam Schiff has not a problem in making contact with both of them whenever he says corruption, and such heard turns he does my hair back and forth and his hair and looks right. And Devin Nunes is with the death. And if he should if anyone is listening, who's does music, you need to make a remix of Devin Nunes going corruption, and then I wanna hear I went my hair. You know what I mean? Yeah. Exactly actions, both incompatible with duty as chairman of this committee, which alone in the house Representative says he obliga- Shen authority to provide effective oversight of the US intelligence community such we have no faith in your ability to discharge your duties commander persist with your custody source ability and urge her media resignation. As chairman of the committee, chairman this letter signed by all nine members of the Republican side of the house how the committee, and I asked you Kasit that'd be entered into the record. Today's. What cushion? I'm going to turn to our witnesses who the of the hearing today, but before I do and as as you have chosen instead of addressing the hearing to simply attack me consistent with the presence attacks. I do want to respond in this way. My colleagues may think it's okay that the Russians offered dirt on a democratic candidate for president as part of what was described as the Russian government's effort to help the Trump campaign. You might think that's okay. My colleagues might think it's okay when that was offered to the some of the president had a pivotal role in the campaign. That the president's son did not call the FBI. He did not adamantly refuse that foreign help. No. Instead that son said that he would love to help the Russians. You might think it's okay that he took that meeting. You might think. It's okay. That Paul Manafort, the campaign share someone with great experience running campaigns. Also took that meeting you might think it's okay that the president's son-in-law also took that meeting. You might think it's okay that they concealed it from the public. You might think it's okay that they're only disappointment after that meeting. Was that the dirt they received on Hillary Clinton wasn't better? You might think. That's okay. You might think it's okay that when it was discovered a year later that then lied about that meeting. He keeps looking at it was about adoptions, you might think it's okay that the president is reported to have helped dictate that lie. You might think. That's okay. I don't. You might think it's okay that the campaign chairman of a presidential campaign would offer information about that campaign to a Russian oligarch in exchange for money or debt forgiveness. You might think. That's okay. I don't. You might think. It's okay. That campaign chairman offered polling data campaign polling data to someone linked to Russian intelligence. I don't think that's okay. You might think it's okay that the president himself called on Russia to hack his opponents emails, if they were listening, you might think it's okay. That later that day, in fact, the Russians attempted to hack server affiliated with that campaign. I don't think that's okay. You might think that it's okay that the president's son-in-law sought to establish a secret back channel of communications with the Russians to a Russian diplomatic facility. I don't think that's okay. You might think. It's okay. That into Societa of the president may direct contact with the GRU through goose for two and WikiLeaks and considered that is considered a hostile intelligence agency. You might think that it's okay. A senior campaign official was instructed to reach that associate and find out what that hostile intelligence agency had to say in terms of dirt on his opponent. You might think it's okay that the national security adviser designate secretly conferred with the Russian ambassador about undermining US sanctions. And you might think it's okay. He lied about it to the FBI, they'll not arrested either, you might say gel. Okay. You might say. That's just what you need to do to win. But I don't think it's okay. Well, I'm sorry. I didn't think it's okay that I kept sniffing. I mean, let me do it when we. Hard one. I mean, it comes down to the fact that could Muller find an actual crime to prosecute maybe not. But it comes down to this fact of are you, okay? With the president the entire campaign staff. The entire administration enabling. This behavior and also, including an enabling the Russian government and Vladimir Putin to interfere with our. Actual government Ebeling. Maybe we should've said enabling instead a collusion. And then it would have been a different report. Right. And and is it okay? That Donald Trump is compromised, and they're they're using that word, and they're saying that Adam Schiff is compromise compromise. How nobody's blackmailing him. He's got dirt on him. He's not has. He doesn't have investments anywhere. He's not trying to make money off of anything. He isn't compromised. So try it try it, Mike Conaway. Try Devin Nunes, try GM hiring is saying I mean like he's morally bankrupt. It's like Bill Maher said it. Jake tapper said it to Mick Mulvaney. He's like, it's fine. No collusion. Noche Malaysian fuckers morally bankrupt. Are you? Okay. Mick Mulvaney was talking shit. When Trump was the candidate like I'm never going to support this. And there he is like if I knew what his title was. I tell you guys because God knows everyone's like who the folks Mick Mulvaney was white is chief of stack right now the guy's morally bankrupt. And it's not okay. And every single one of those things that Adam Schiff, passive aggressively said is true. It's true. And that you just decide if you're okay with it. And clearly, they all our all our all our and Lia had a hard on for that speech. You watch like fifty times. I've watched it twice. I don't think I could watch. But. I acting chief of staff. Okay. All I know is we almost got Adam Schiff on this podcast. He ended up being a total star in. We started the podcast when Trump got elected like December twenty sixteen and then in early twenty seventeen we sent our producer at that time which was embassy row. Who does watch what happens live? We gave them a list of of congressman that we wanted on. And we wanted shift because he's our Representative yet from Hollywood West Hollywood. So we also did Brad Sherman. Who's the one in Burbank? We're not where we live, and it's like, no word from Bratcher. Who are you? Brad sherman. Don't even knows who you are. No, Adam Schiff is like top of the pops his like, I guess is a system. So here's what she responded to. She said. Hi, bell think so much for reaching out. I'm a huge fan of watch. What happens live and I loved Julian brandy on the people's couch. This is definitely a podcast. We would consider for the future. Unfortunately, the congressman schedule is completely book through the end of the year. Did it do to his house Intel commitment would you keep us apprised of episode topics in early twenty eighteen thank you, Emily, Emily. It's twenty nineteen and people's couches long gone. So I don't think I think the ship assailed. And unfortunately, like we said Adam Schiff got way too deep in the Russian. I mean, he got so GE. Yeah. He was just too big. He's like number one. Yeah. He's him Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters. So those people are just so high profile, and they're so busy subpoenaing Trump's taxes and the Georgia, Bank and other fucking thing. So, but you know, we we are always trying behind the scenes to get these people on and we will always have a special place in our heart for Adam Schiff. Oh, my God for sure we're so proud of him. So proud of what he's accomplished in the fact that I cannot wait for him to see the. Unredacted? And I love that they're trying. They can't stand it. They can't stand that he's going to see the acted because they all know. And that's what's so pathetic about the Republican party. And I'm talking to every single Republican right now, if you're continuing to be a Republican, you are part of the enabling Yar so deal with it. But this group that is trying to get Adam Schiff to nutsy the unredacted Muller report. It's so obvious that that's why they don't want him to see. And they said because they know we don't get to read it. But you do we have to trust. What you say? And it's like, oh like we have to trust Bill are right. Exactly. And why wouldn't you trust Adam Schiff? There's every reason to trust. I love when you said he's not investing in any other foreign like compromise in what ways living, you know. He's not compromised. There's nothing compromising him. So Devin Nunes, how how does that he still even on a committee is Zachary? Get your money from Twitter and get the fuck outta here. Devon nunez. Anyone who's had a migraine knows that they're like the absolute fucking worse. I've this good friend. 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If you thought that was frustrating now, it's time for a new segment called fuck, you Mitch McConnell. Time. It's not okay. Thank you. Is. This is our new segment called fuck, you Mitch McConnell. The information that you're about to hear is going to vote every single negative emotion on the spectrum simultaneously. The segment will not have a happy ending. And the only light at the end of the tunnel is death, either his or hours we wanted literally want to call this episode. Mitch McConnell must die. But ROY black warned us that it could be considered a crime. So we're probably not going to do it. But we're sells more fide by what a monster. Mitch McConnell is that we might be willing to risk going to jail or paying a fine in order to publicly fantasize about his death. I mean, it's so on Thursday, brandy, and I were eating Chinese food out of Chinese restaurant. And that made us think of Mitch McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao because she's Chinese. We talked about Elaine Chao and how we're all through. We wondered what fuck what the fuck? She married. Mitch mcconnell. Just looks wise. I mean, literally, just physically speaking just physically we started going is it for money. What's the deal? How did they meet? What was she? She have to do to. They don't have kids. Why is your skin so wax it? Oh, you know what? I mean. Why is his why are they both waxing? Right. So we googled it. And turns out so Mick turtle second marriage. He was married before. And he has three daughters. Elaine has no children and is probably never had sex with the turtle. I don't think they've had. I mean, I don't think they have. I think that he made a deal with her cocaine dealing father in China. I think they signed documents. Oh, yeah. And then lane was turned over to have. I don't really know. But I don't believe they've ever made sweet beautiful. Turtle love if they've made turtle love, it's definitely like Handmaid's tale style where somebody held her down. He just did it quick. We'll she's pretend an so accent and grat ski too. So we're not even gonna get into Elaine Chao because we can't even deal. We went in with Lia. We should have recorded it. Because she's got she's got a shipping company. She's a department transportation secretary. She did nothing slipped. Boeing have fifty million planes fall out of the sky. She does dick. She has the family has a cargo transport shipping company and their drug dealer drug dealers. And she's letting their seeking of cargo coming over the border elaine's bringing it over the border. Elaine singlehandedly, I'm quite sure and her family are supplying most of America with cocaine. Yeah, they're mad. They don't wanna come from Mexico because they're looking for it to come from China. Right. So googling at the Chinese restaurant and going through it brought us to Mitch McConnell's Wikipedia page. And it was there that my life was forever changed. I learned things that day that I cannot on learn my head was unfortunately and accidentally pulled out of my ass. And now, I can't no matter how hard I try get it back up there since I'm stuck with it like this every single fourteen of you must suffer too because I cannot be alone. With how scary he is. And I don't want to be the only dumb person who now knows that he's controlling everything in Washington and has been since before Obama now, we're basically going to read you guys the salient points from his Wikipedia page. That's going to be a lot of reading this is how shady he is that if you just look on wick wick opinion age, would you possibly look at where they are actually making a judgment about you. Yeah. Pedia literally on them. We competed page is basically saying like, this is a monster. And they won't look a pedia won't let you do dick. Unless you have source after source. It was the bibliography was in mile long of political scientists being like a shady scary fuck, Dr democracy in the country. Oh, he makes me want to get back on Twitter. I saw you know what? I mean. I'm going to tweet out him out him. I'm to do. This is what this is what it's for. This is what I did. It's for now, we urge you to go back and read it yourselves pass it onto your friends and families posted on douche book, and thirsty Graham, do whatever it takes to pop the bubble of ignorance that most people are living in okay, Mitch McConnell is the reason for everything bad happening legislatively in this country. He's the reason that no problems get solved, and no progress is ever made. And if he's not stopped rich corporate conservatives and religious assholes are going to own Washington and therefore this country. I mean, it's the most important piece of work. We will do aside from Bill Browder and Trump gate this this is this make for me personally. And I know I already said it this makes Trump gate like just talk just the Thursday for me like Trump and Russia and even a Saudi Arabia and Qatar is nothing compared to this Mitch McConnell shit. This absolutely fucking is a nightmare. This information is so unsettling. It's crazy. So Mitch McConnell is a member of the Republican party. He was elected to the Senate in nineteen Eighty-four, and he's been reelected five times since then in November two thousand six McConnell was elected Senate minority leader he held that post until twenty fifteen when Republicans took control of the Senate, and he became Senate majority leader, which is what he is today. He is the majeur. Leader. He got elected Senator of Kentucky in nineteen Eighty-four. Barely winning only by like fifty thousand votes. He was the first Republican to win Kentucky since nineteen sixty eight. And he used the popularity of then president Ronald Reagan to win that shit nineteen Eighty-four gave us so many life changing artists to prints. Madonna Michael Jackson, and now we can add Mitch McConnell to that list. Whoever thought who would have it's really strange nineteen Eighty-four really did like market turning point from for America. And it's funny that he's on that for me. It is it is because who would have thought that because we all think of nine hundred eighty four and we think of music. Yeah. Certainly movie Cobra just say, no, right? Mad aids all of it and Mitch McConnell. So just knowing that he's he's in Kentucky. And that there hasn't been there wasn't a Republican before him. And that he's he's elected every year. I feel strongly that the democratic committee. Should send a huge amount of budget. And I don't know why they haven't done this. I don't know if Democrats aren't strategic. I really don't know. Maybe they're just not power mongers. But I don't understand why you don't make a strategic move in a state that seems so ripe for the taking. They don't care about him. They don't give a fuck. They're not informed. Send somebody down take. Brittany jacks. Jackson girlfriend, right and have a run. And they'll all be like, we love Andrew pump. Brittany. I swear and they should care about Mitch McConnell. They know that he's the one obstructing everything damn ship Kentucky people don't know what I'm saying. So I think Democrats should be strategic, and and send all the budget. Make a bunch of commercials for Kentucky, whoever they want a democrat elected. So that we can get him out of there. Because after you hear this you're going to see it's important that the motherfucker. Okay. Early in his career. He was a pragmatist and a moderate, but he veered much farther to the right over time when gaining power and getting reelected became more important to him than his actual job of representing Kentucky as a Senator. So Alex McGillis biography of Mitch McConnell. He said that Mitch McConnell transformed quote from a moderate Republican who supported abortion rights and public employee unions to the embodiment embodiment of partisan obstructionism and conservative orthodoxy on Capitol Hill. The biographer argued that McConnell's transformation was here we go driven less by a shift in ideological convictions. Instead by a desire to win elections and stay in power at all costs. And that's what he's been doing ever since. And it's pretty clear, it's a well known fact that Republicans blocked Obama at every turn making it. Impossible for him to get any legislation through. So Mitch McConnell was the asshole that spearheaded that it wasn't a Republican strategy a Mitch McConnell strategy. And he proved it Bill after Bill after Bill after Bill after Bill, you guys have all heard that even if you didn't realize it or didn't digest it. We've all heard that like the minute Obama got in. They put a blockade up. There was nothing. He could do to get anything through. Right. But now understanding that it was literally Mitch McConnell, right? Julian I just learned this year that he was the gatekeeper within the last year that he was the gatekeeper and understanding that he was the gatekeeper with Obama. There's no thing that I could take more personally than that. Oh, well, the second that Obama gun in the he he said he was he was committed to making Obama just a one term president. So he's he's been widely described as having engaged in obstructionism during a bama's presidency in October twenty ten he said, quote, a single most important thing we want to achieve is for president. Obama to be a one term president the single most important thing you want to achieve is for Obama to be fail. I guess you didn't achieve your most important goal during bombs presidency minority of -struction reached an all time. They did not even have the didn't have the Senate. They didn't have the house, and they didn't have the White House, and they minority beat the majority because of Mitch fucking McConnell. I can't take it McConnell insisted that any Bill passing through the Senate needed a super majority, which is sixty votes rather than fifty why they're all letting this and fucking turtle tell them what to do all never know. I know I don't understand. I was trying to understand about how like the rules and how it works. And with the the I don't understand why one person gets the call these things like the nuclear option and the other terms that they use where it's like why is this who and why and who've let him do it and. I don't get it. We need somebody to come on here to explain to us how congress works. You know what I mean? You know, what I mean, he just has the balls. Democrats. Don't do it McConnell justified. The obstructionism by falsely claiming that the sixty vote threshold was the historical norm in the Senate. But it wasn't the norm. He made it the norm. Mitch mcconnell. Mitch McConnell is described as the major figure along with Newt Gingrich another other shit in transforming the Republican party into a quote party geared increasingly nut to governing but to making governance impossible facing off against Obama. He worked to deny even minimal Republican support for major presidential initiatives initiatives that were as a rule in keeping with the moderate model of decades past and often with moderate Republican stances of a few years past they stopped trying to even legislate. It was all about moves like it was all about power. It was all about regaining the White House and not about legislating if you let that sink in Obama got elect. Eight and like it's now twenty nineteen that's eleven years that we have not had any legislation at all except for fucking ObamaCare, which he had to do an executive order to get another trying to stop it. And it's like this motherfucker stop like everything it's crazy. You don't care about legislating know, but they love to blame Obama for not anything happening. When really it's Mitch McConnell's fault, political scientists have referred to McConnell's use of the filibuster. Now, here's where we get very fucking crucial as constitutional hardball, referring to the misuse of procedural tools in a way that undermines democracy, so Mamale filibuster is like what when they go to a big long speech. Yeah, they can stand there for hours and hours and hours stopping any movement. So so say, they're going to say, okay. Let's pass a voter thing. Then somebody wrote his rolls out there. Nancy Pelosi rolls out of tennis shoes. Diaper on. And she's like, all right? The thing with voting is guys when people vote here's what they do. They wake up. They have a Cup of coffee. They roll down. They I'm sorry. Let me back up they stopped. They go to the bathroom. Hold on. Yep. They they pull their pants down. On the toilet h out. The finest the details the details, right. Like what an eighteen hour fucking speech. So that it kills the legislation because they only have a certain number of hours. Right. So if I'm to read to you, the definition of a filibuster. Okay. An action such as a prolonged speech that obstructs progress in the legislative assembly while not technically contravening the required procedures it holds up the vote in some way, they might have a limited amount of time on the floor. But it holds up the vote so McConnell used the filibuster nonstop. When Obama was in office when he was the Republicans were a minority. So by twenty thirteen Senate majority leader, Harry Reid. Okay. This is a democrat. I would think. No, maybe not. Oh, yeah. It was because he became what you call it in two thousand fifteen eliminated the filibuster all presidential nominations, except the supreme court. By the time 2013 had rolled around half of all the filibusters in the history of the Senate. Okay. The history. Okay. We're done during a bomb a-. Gamma? That means there's been one hundred in history. Fifty of them were during a Bama do guys bookie. I literally have not stopped thinking. I'm talking about round the clock about how badly Obama wants to kick. His fucking Obama must go workout. And he's gonna kick your fucking athlete. Does. He want to go beat his ass into the ground. Yes. He does. He just to the ground and just because he also wants to like like I want to see some really gross. Him. And Michelle wanna go. Wanted to write Mitch McConnell's want him to get raped raped. I I have never I can't even I can't. I don't think I've ever heard you hate somebody. So I can't express it makes me so scared. It's not fair. It's not Justice. It's not the way the systems meant to be the fact that he's been allowed to do it. The fact that no one knows the fact that he banks on the fact that we're all ignorant fucking assholes watching fucking luanne Dallas with our head up our fucking ads and he's right. The fact that he's the Senator of Kentucky not give fuck about Kentucky. Don't know. What's going on? No. Neither do I. But they don't and we could get Jackson Britney elected. I mean, like, it's so easy to take that state and the Democrats have done nothing and they're sitting by for eleven years, and let them do this. It's it's insane. That's what he's even insane. Yeah. Well, that's what's even more. When we we've talked about Democrats being like pussies or letting things go and now, it's even more. It's just like the fact that we now know that they've let Mitch McConnell do everything he wants to do literally. As if I'm watching a twelve year old boy. Jeet do things to me. Yeah. Or and. With it. But walk around on apple. I know somebody producer intern somebody for Bill Maher's listening to this. And I know so you can go ahead and put it on Bill Maher's. So that it can be taken to the masses instead of fourteen fucking people. He is such a fucking asshole that in twenty twelve and this is what really gets you this almost made you crash the truck when I read this to you in twenty twelve Mitch McConnell proposed a measure allowing President Obama to raise the debt ceiling. Okay. So he did this hoping that democratic senators would oppose the measure, and they it would cause all this infighting and it would demonstrate like disunity among Democrats one of his moves. He's like does this now too literally. Now, he just did it with the green new deal. So he he puts up this measure that allows Obama to raise the debt ceiling, and he thought all the Democrats would fight. But instead, they all voted. Yes. So he had to fill a BUSTER. His. He. Because nothing could get done. It did not matter. Nothing could get done. Nothing could get done. Right. And he doesn't want anything to get done. Because now he can blame Obama for done. That's right. And that is what everybody's done. And that's what Trump does now. And that's what every ball. The republicans. Do is the worst president. He was the worst president why? We'll nothing. Well, nothing that because Mitch McConnell, correct? Mcconnell delayed and obstructed healthcare reform and banking reform, which were the two landmark pieces of legislation that Democrats sought to get past early in Obama's tenure by delaying democratic priority. Legislation McConnell, again, he fucking stopped everything he stymie the output of congress. So political scientists describe it this way by slowing action even on measures supported by Republicans. Mitch McConnell capitalized on the scarcity of floor time, forcing Democrats into difficult trade-offs concerning which measures were worth pursuing. So they knew they would have no floor time because of him. So they'd be like, okay. Do we want this or do this do this which in turn limited the number of bills that could even be seen much less voted on? God the New York Times noted early during a bomb administration that quote on the major issues not just health care, but financial regulation and the economic stimulus package among others. Mitch McConnell has kept the Republicans so aligned with him which allowed him to slow the democratic agenda and actually defeat many aspects of it that was the thing he was keeping them all. And and I'd like to ask them. I wish that we could ask them why I think he takes how he takes them in a room. And he tells them his strategy, which is which we're going to tell you guys what the strategy is. But I think that's what he does. I think he takes them back there and says we fuck it. Let's just wait because the people who aren't creatures and monsters fucking slots are like no we want to help. I want to help my constituents. Don't fuck impasse this. I'm not going to get reelected Mitch. And he's like, let's just wait. Let's wait and get Obama out of there. Let's not pass anything. We'll get out of there. We'll get a Republican president. We can pass everything you want. But let's just wait. And that's. What he tells them so McConnell's refusal to allow a bomber two seat supreme court Justice would was described by political scientists and legal scholars as unprecedented and a culmination of this confrontational style a blatant abuse of constitutional norms and a classic example of constitutional hardball. So Scalia died, Merrick garland was had already maybe gotten one was it. Well, he got the what's her name. The first Latino lady a- soda, my our Bama gets the one lady because he's fucking gangster Antonin Scalia dis Di okay, he's going to bring in Meerut garland, and in an unprecedented move Mitch McConnell is like, Nope. Nope. Everyone in the whole world is like what are you talking like sorry? Two people died. That's the way the cookie crumbles bitch. That's the way the cookie crumbles and he refused refused. And then waits until stupid. Fuck. Trump gets in puts stupid Neal Gorsuch with the stupid gold, convertible fucking gamers, eighties and. They get that other guy to retire. Kennedy. And now we got the fucking game rapist. Yup. Brick and you don't see Democrats going because the deal is in Bergen explain this, but they stopped filibusters for everything except supreme court. So he basically filibustered merit garland. Okay. Right. But then after America Orland. Before Trump got in McConnell took filibustering away for supreme court justices because he knew that the second that some Republican president that the Democrats yet, and he was any new that he took it away. And now they have to and his whole plan is all about the judges. That's his whole plan and the Justice as we fucking from Jesse small and even max we read his letter earlier, even he knows the Justice system is so fucked so corrupt and now they want to corrupt it even more. Once they own the Justice system, the court of appeals court all of it on down they own everything they decide everything every fucking law. Fuck congress. They can circumvent every law in the constitution with the Justice system. Mitch mcconnell. Excuse me. Mitch McConnell is literally like the emperor in Star Wars and Trump is like Darth Vader. They called him the Darth Vader of politics. Mitch McConnell, but I would argue that he's actually the the the higher than Darth Vader. Mitch McConnell the emperor. The guy is at this point. He's running everything he's the one and people don't know where it's coming from to a dark shadow. It's there's like a he's like he seems normal sometimes that are normal, man. And then the normal man goes in different areas. Like a monster. That's Mitch McConnell. I'm so passionate about how much he needs to go that we can't even make the title the title because I will literally get we will literally at arrested because I won't be able to say they won't be able to say, but you didn't mean it, and I'll be like, no. But I did mean it. So as part of his obstruction strategy, and as the leading Republican Senator McConnell, confronted and pressured other Republican senators who cared about policy substance, and who were willing to negotiate with Democrats and the Obama administration political scientists pure party line voting has been evident now for some time. But rarely has the tactic of opposition ISM been. So boldly state is stated as McConnell did. He was pressuring Republicans left and right, right. And the fact that you're that you're stance that your political like value system is basically just oppose oppose oppose obstruct obstructive shock power power power. He doesn't literally doesn't care about anything. So he believed that any compromises would undermine. This is what you said earlier the Republican party's effort to make big gains in twenty ten and twenty to twelve. So basically Mitch McConnell learned that obstruction and Republican unity was the only way. Way that they could get out of office. So he saw how the Democrats cooperated with the Bush administration on no child left behind and Medicare Part d and because the Democrats cooperated when Bush ran for re election in four he used that to his advantage got reelected, so in Mitch McConnell's mind, he's like we can't work with Obama on anything. Because if he's successful in any way, he'll use it to get reelected. And what I think is. So fucking funny is all he did was stymie any progress or any help or anything to evolve in this country and help this country and. I can't fucking handle it like nothing has happened. Everything's just gotten worse in everything the banking system. Everything is so corrupt pollution booking. I mean, it's an for what Obama was still there. Right for nothing filibusters were safe way to obstruct because filibusters left no fingerprints. When voters that legislation had been defeated, quote, unquote, journalist rarely highlighted that defeat meant minority had blocked a majority minority blocked a majority up and now we're not even allowed to do that because he took it away. Right. And why aren't they trying to get that back? I don't know not only the strategy producing atmosphere of gridlock and dysfunction. That was blamed on Obama. It also chewed up the Senate calendar, restricting the range of issues on which Democrats could make progress. I don't know why Obama also not to whatever with Obama. But. Go around the country gives them speeches on what really happened. And he's a he's not doing anything. We didn't even include in your you guys that when Trump. When Trump and Hillary Clinton were running at the very edge. Everybody always says fucking Brad came on and was like Obama knew about the dossier. And I'm like Brad deduction about above and. And so and everybody always says Obama knew nobody knew that they were going for Bernie. And he and they always imply he never said anything because he didn't like Hillary. And it's like, well, no one does. But so what happened is the FBI in the went to Obama. They went to the leaders of the Republican party, and they went to the leaders of the Democratic Party, and they sat them down. And they said the Russians have compromised the election there in the social media. They're doing fake shit. They've hacked in. They've got her emails. They are fiddling around in here. They're getting into people's minds. They fucked this up we need to tell people that this is what's happening. So that when they go on social media, they understand that that information isn't real and Mitch McConnell. This is a fact go on the Wikipedia, and it is a fact there's nine hundred sources backing it up. He said it to Obama personally if you go on and tell everyone that the Russians are involved in this. I'm going to cues. You of you trying to control the election, and you playing party politics, and you trying to get Democrats elected because you're going to go on and say, the Russians won't Trump and Americans aren't going to vote for the people that Russians one. So he tied of hands. Obama couldn't do shit. I like I need annex. I want to snort it on. I think this is. So fucking scary. I don't know why. He's not sucks that it's a legal. I want him to be arrested. It's so fucked up McConnell new proposals law support the longer they were out there subject to attack. He knew consent delay would drive down the approval ratings of Democrats and Obama like Newt Gingrich McConnell had found a serious flaw in the code of American democracy are distinctive political system gives an anti-government party with a willingness to cripple governance and enormous edge. All you have to be a naysayer a hater and nothing we'll get through. And that is what's been happening. It's become an I said this before become the Super Bowl, and it it's not supposed to be like that. We're not supposed to be competing to win right? Winning the rate of this. Right. It's just he's a fucking power-monger. And he's lost his goddamn wax in mind, and I can't fucking handle it. So what the strategic guidance of these two congressional leaders, which is McConnell and Newt Gingrich Republicans launched a self reinforcing an. Anti status cycle first they made government less functional than they highlighted the dysfunction to build political report for Republicans. And that's what's happening still. And they're still blaming and blaming Democrats and look at how Trump's talks like the Democrats have lost their minds. The Democrats are insane. They're sick. They're sick. People are sick people. And even now, you you are going to read a thing of where McConnell sent a like an open letter about how Democrats need to stop the obstructionism. And it's like. Fucking hypocrite tool wire, we're onto you. Now, you're not going to keep fooling everyone. Yeah. This is why I wanted to. I want to go we're onto you. And I know the only person I want to go into it or four now just constantly tweeted him, and then FBI come and be like, let me serve. Yeah. You need to step back from Senate majority leader McConnell, and I'm like, why don't you? Let them come in here. And let's have a talk. Yeah. We need to. So the university of North Carolina historian Christopher Browning. I the only person I really put in because he wrote if the US has someone whom historians will look back on as the grave digger of American democracy. It is Mitch McConnell. That's the first quote, I'm going to I'm going to tweet at him. Good. Okay. And make sure you have to but you have to put Christopher. That's what I did this. That's what he did. He's stoked. The hyper polarization of American politics to make the Obama presidency as dysfunctional and paralyzed as he possibly could congressional gridlock in the US has diminished respect for democratic norms. Allowing. Mcconnell to trample them even more nowhere. This vicious cycle clearer than the obliteration of traditional precedents concerning judicial appointments systematic obstruction of nominations in Obama's first term provoked Democrats to remove the filibuster for all supreme court nominations. And that's what you said before then McConnell's unprecedented blocking of the Merrick garland nomination required him in turn to scrap the filibuster for supreme court nominations in order to complete the steel of Antonin Scalia and confirm Neal Gorsuch, which that is what we said before too. Exactly now proving what a power grubbing monster. He is his quote pet issue, shall I say is preventing campaign finance reform. The current campaign finance laws are the only thing keeping many of these Republicans in power, including an especially Mitch McConnell who has the lowest rating of all the senators, and he has the lowest approval rating of any Senator in any state if the laws were to change he'd never be able to get reelected. That's why he got right. He has to get money from super PACS. He has to dominate the campaign ads in Kentucky. So they're all like and with all due. I'll go for Mitch McConnell TV fucking, argh. So he led the opposition to stricter campaign. This is the only piece day resist and this entire fucked up segment. He led the opposition to stricter campaign finance laws. And I mean, we all know that is the single most important issue facing this fucking country. We had Heather McGhee on it is the reason corruption exists which culminated in the supreme court ruling and partially overturning the quote bipartisan campaign reform act in two thousand nine here's the t- the bipartisan campaign reform act was John McCain's Bill. Okay. If you don't think I won't dig up John McCain kit. I will I will fucking. I am never more in love with him than I am recently. John McCain, I know wanted to kick his fuck it out. And that's another Republican he stopped a campaign. John McCain fuck with me. I was a prisoner of war you bitch. I mean, although Mitch McConnell did I think fight in the war? So he's in the military. He was in the reserve the reserve. Remember, his whole thing. He letter he had his letter. He's a little. Yeah. Go dad was. Go dad was a judge shit. So I'm sure John McCain should've gotten with Obama, and they should have beat his ass in an alley, and then they should fucking raped. Bipartisan campaign for Maxwell, John McCain's Bill. Okay. And now, we know you guys here's the deal. Mitch McConnell can't fucking take that the Affordable Care Act packed passed on any level. He can't take it right now in this very moment that you're listening to this podcast. Mitch McConnell convinced Trump who's doing his victory lap about the fucking Muller. Reporting to join into a lawsuit which is in the appellate courts to overturn ObamaCare. The Republicans do not have a healthcare plan. They don't have one. They don't have any plan, but McConnell is so fucking mad. That Obama got anything done under his watch was not only did Obama get reelected, which he said he wasn't going to do. He got Bama care and Mitch McConnell has not stopped wanting to kill ObamaCare. And the only reason it's not already gone, why men male John? Came out ended the thumbs-down Honey he was the single vote that killed fucking bullshit. And that is why Obama Care stands, and it was his final fucking, you Mitch McConnell, which is the name of this segment, and it's an honor of John McCain because that was his big old. Fuck you to that asshole? And that's also why Trump keeps going around and keeps bringing up John McCain keeps bringing it up keeps bringing up John and literally in his most latest speech got up and fucking was like a no you'll see healthcare them. We'll just because some guy came down and did the thumbs down. They can't they can't you. Mcconnell you want to vote down campaign? Finance people aren't gonna stand and John McCain scared of you not scared of you, and he's gonna with brain cancer going to do down and go kiss my fucking dying balk off. The goddamn will compete pages to long. Okay. But please go there and read about how he obstructed progress and change in every single fucking area of government and every American's life. Here's the issues campaign. Finance criminal Justice reform, the economy the environment foreign policy, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Syria, fundraising government, shutdowns guns, healthcare, immigration, judicial nominees, net neutrality and trade. Hey, Bruce Cavanaugh. Mean calving? Nobody liked to call him. Bruce, Bruce Cavanaugh, I know you've been itching to do some raping. So just go, right? Mitch mcconnell. I know and don't write me a letter a letter link maybe knee. I'm care if you're curious about the article that Mitch McConnell road. It's on political magazine, you can just Google time to stop the Democrats obstruction. Mitch McConnell literally today posted this article that he wrote it's called time to stop the Democrats obstruction enough with partisan delays the president's nominees deserve consideration. And you just can't even can't believe they'll leave since he wrote since January twenty seventeen for the first time in memory minority has exploited procedure to systematically, obstruct president from staffing up his administration. That's just a blatant lie because yet did that. And you did it in two thousand and eight and you invented it. Exactly, you invented it. So fuck off he did he did it. So he now currently blocks every piece of legislation. From the Senate floor as we've told you. He's the gatekeeper. He's made it his literal mission to go against Nancy, Pelosi's agenda. No matter what the issue is. No matter if it's a Republican issue, right? He doesn't care he blocked. He's like what is Nancy Pelosi? We're not doing he's in some fucking competition because bucking thimble, dick. So now what's happening the latest and greatest he keeps bringing surprise votes to the floor. So basically most recently he took the green new deal on the Senate floor. He won't vote on voting rights. He won't he won't vote on anything bringing votes that are of any consequence. He brings the green new deal knowing no one's ready to vote on that. It's not even really ready to be voted on. So that he could prove that it's a stupid piece of shit and Democrats aren't for it. He wanted to make some statement to Andrea Cossio Cortez. He's he's a little bitch. And instead all the Democrats instead of fighting among each other like he wanted them to do they all just voted present. That's at least they did that. Okay. You know, how I always lie? Pretend I read books that. I haven't read. Yes. So I don't know why do this. I think I want to keep the momentum of the conversation going, and my good friend this girl. She does my lashes. Right. And you're stuck there for like an hour and a half while she's doing the lashes, and she was like dying to get the Michelle Obama book. And so she got it. She didn't bring it up till almost my lashes. And she's like girl, did you? Did you get the Michelle Obama book? And I'm like, yeah. Like, isn't it? Good. And I'm like, oh my God. It's so good, and she starts going into detail and my lashes finish. And I'm like thank God. But what am I going to do? Should I change people? Even though she's a good friend. Should I move out of LA shy kill myself? So what I did is. I got this shit is so genius. It's called a blinking. Okay. So they have all these like nonfiction like type self-help politics history. Like any book that's not like fucking angels and demons whenever the Vinci. Not like that. It's like Michelle Obama's book writing. Then they cut it down to like the key parts of the book. So you don't really have to read it. I can't take it. I can't take it and it's audio too. So I didn't even have to read the cliff notes. I got to go on with my life. And like listen to it on my way to the lashes, and then go, and it'd be like could you believe that they got their lives threat? Can you believe that we've got death threats? What you don't know is that I've been using it to prepare for this podcast. And I haven't read one thing or I've actually read a concise version of it from blankets or listen to it because for people like me who cannot pay attention to a whole book who can't sit through an entire book who can't sit and read and read and read and read and read and read no, you want this to be you want the best parts you want the highlights you want. What's good, and that's nonfiction books. It's not like a fiction book, which can cap captivate you, and it's almost like you're watching a movie, and it could be like fifty shades of grey, right? Going to put that down. But when you're reading about how to like stop being fat. It's like sometimes you just lose focus can go eat or when it's like well. Yes. Stop having a shitty attitude. I'm like fuck. I don't want to hear this find your gratitude, it only takes one page. You know, what I mean, it doesn't take more than? I get the point. I got it. All you just need to tell me once. And maybe I'll listen to it every day. But it's like we don't need to go for an hour. We need to do one for a few minutes. And then we're good. It's true. We're listening to one now on hydration. And I know the full book was like really padded, and we are low. Yes. In condensed one, and we can get it down and fifteen minutes, and it's so great. It's better than even listening to a podcast because it's shorter. I don't need someone's hole. And then when I was traveling through Prague, I found that. And I was like I don't care. I wanna know the secret. I wanna know what's going on. I want you to tell me the way to do it need to know, just the stuff. Yeah. Gimme the four agreements. Four bullet points by telling me, the actual four agreements. Not like all the stories. Eckhart tollway. Gimme tell me what the power of now is now a page right now. I don't want to find out in three weeks when I'm done with the boat. No. And do it with somebody who doesn't have an accent. Which is what I'm really enjoying. And right now. For a limited time blink has a special offer just for our audience. Go to blink dot com slash. Digi p to start your free seven day trial. It is so worth it. That's blinking. Spelled B L I N K. I S T blinking dot com slash DIGI p to start your free seven-day trial. That's blink dot com slash DIGI p. Now, it's time for so there's that. All right. So this is the part of the show where Juliet defined a so there's that moment that's happening because of our in spite of the nightmare called our government. She hates doing it because it's fucking impossible. And I don't blame her. But after learning what a dick fuck Mitch McConnell is we could all really us. So there's that right now. So man now, which come up with nine mean always. It seems a little. Okay. Well, what can you do? There's not really a so that I can tense episode that we've ever made. I'm sorry that my so there's that is like last night, I raped Mitch McConnell. I mean, we ask cancer anything anything anything lease God. Well, this is going to seem a little trite. But let's try and think of it in a gram scale. Okay. It does get harder and harder. And I I really even stopped writing it halfway through. I was just going to talk. But I did find this little story, and it really did warm the Daikos of my heart and as a. I haven Tate to say that I'm gender non conforming because I don't even feel that way anymore woman. And that's it. And the way I present myself as just the way present myself, but I do have to say that the freedom to decide what I wear is probably one of the greatest gifts. I have an order to find some semblance of physical comfort. I would die. If I was forced to wear a skirt or address, I would die. And I know that sounds who cares wearing address whatever Mitch McConnell needs to get raped. You know, but if you really just, you know, think about what you wear and how it makes you feel and just that little bit of freedom and that little bit of comfort, and even when you feel bad or you feel insecure. It's just you're at least choosing what you want someone forces you to be innovating suit. Right. And you get your job. Right. And you're like, no, I don't I can't be forced to do that. I just right. So exposed right? Exactly. Now women in the military and in other sex. Ters of American life are still forced to wear skirts or dresses as part of their uniforms while men are still given the freedom and courtesy of wearing pants now, I'm not against uniforms at all fits specific to the thing that needs a uniform. It's not a thing that turns me on. But as far as like things needing a uniform, they need a uniform, so fine. However, when you delineate women's wearing skirts and men wearing pants, you right there that is a form of sexual assault. And it's not wearing a skirt fucking uncomfortable. And you can't do the same things. A man can do in pants. You just cannot you're worried about your fucking underwear your legs or fucking hanging out. You can't do running because you probably have to wear stupid fucking heels. And it's just like a whole thing. It's not you can't kick ass in this car. You can't kick ass in a skirt. You're not going to go kick someone's ass in an alley a skirt. Or if you do you have to take your shoes off, and you're just like fuck it. I'm going to pull this thing up. Heater all bleeding, or whatever the foreign can do it in that one movie. Right. So I'm just saying, okay. I think removing now in in schools. There's also still uniforms in schools, Catholic, schools and religious, schools and other military schools. People have to wear these kids were uniforms now when it comes to schools actually, kind of like not that against it. Because I think removing the sigma fashioned from kids lives can be a good thing. Yes. You know, what I made it still be pants. Exactly if equalize is everyone economically and all the body shapes and identities are all on the same level. However, there are still many schools that in their uniform policy make girls where dresses or skirts and boys get to wear pants, and it drives me fucking crazy. And I know is watching this thing on the military where like trans people. And if if they banned trans people from the military, or whatever they don't accept somebody's gender identity. If you identify as a certain gender, but they don't recognize it you will be forced to wear the clothing of the gender that you that they say that you are rather than what you say that you are, and regardless of that it's just like let everyone we're fucking pants, especially in the military. I digress. There's a school in North Carolina that was making girls skirts. But a judge ruled recently that requiring girls to where skirts. At school, violates the constitution. And I showed it to your. Quote, the skirts the skirts requirement causes the girls to suffer a burden the boys do not simply because they are female. The ruling stated a North Carolina schools policy requiring girls to wear skirts as part of their uniform was struck down by a federal judge for violating the constitution's. Equal protection clause the skirts requirement causes the girls to suffer a burden the boys. Do not have wrote US district. Judge Malcolm Harris in his ruling. I'm so glad it was a guy. Yes. The lawsuit against charter day school in Leland was originally filed in two thousand sixteen by the ACLU on behalf of three students h five ten and fourteen. One of the kids said I created a petition to ask my school to change its policy that says girls have to wear skirts school or risk being punished. I mean being punished my friends, and I got more than one hundred signatures on our petition. But it was taken from us by teacher. And we never got it back. Now, we're turning to the ACLU for help. The students lawsuit argued that skirts requirement was a distraction from academe IX inhibited, physical activity and required girls to be cold and uncomfortable school claimed that the skirts requirement and other policies requiring quote, chivalry were necessary part of their mission to instill traditional values and establish discipline. Get out of my business. Yep. Guy can be chivalrous when girls wearing pants. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm not against chivalry. I think should open the door for woman. I do. And I don't care if the woman looks like me open the fucking door, and I don't need the wind blowing up my skirt gangs. You don't it contended? These policies contributed to respect between Sudanese and academe ick success under the school's policy punishment for violating the dress code range from calling parents to remove them from class and possible expulsion, but no student was ever expelled. The plaintiffs in this case of showing that the girls are subject to a specific clothing requirement that renders them unable to play freely during recess requires them to sit in an uncomfortable manner in the classroom causes them to be overly focused on how they're sitting distracts them from learning and sub subjects them to cold temperatures on their legs and or uncomfortable layers of leggings under their knee length skirts in order to stay warm, especially moving outside between classrooms at the school. Defendants have offered no evidence of any comparable burden on boys. So I just want to say, I think that's great girls should be able to wear motherfucking pants if they want to because. Yeah. Their legs are cold. And like, I'm just happy that it happened. It doesn't mean that you're gay or straight. There's no sexuality put on it. But the fact that girls can just wear pants boys can wear pants and everybody's wearing pants. You know, why? Because it's more comfortable, you're freed up. You don't have to worry. Your legs aren't out your pussy, or you Dickson, you balls aren't hanging out. You're not sitting on your balls sitting on your pussy balls. Nothing. Is you're not. Worried all you're doing is fucking sitting there and focusing on what exactly that you have to focus on. So thank you very much judge. And I'm glad that all those girls get to now where pants so there's them. So that's it for this episode of dumb gay politics. Thank you guys for listening. We love you all so much. We look at your picks on the bulletin board. And appreciate you every day. We hate everyone. Who doesn't listen to this podcast? That is true Mitch McConnell, but I'm going to get you to listen. 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And as always it's been real, and it's been mostly it's been gay, and it's been dumb. Mitch mcconnell. Do. Little bro. When you knocked. Ken. Don't get song out, by the way. To judge a book by its. Much of a man. Day one. Justice. Trey sexual. Let me. So you play with. Black won something physio. Two of us. We could take an Steve Reeves move. I'm at home. Could we use your phone? In a bit of a hurry. We'll just say where we are then go back to the car. We don't want to be any worry. How about that? Well, babies don't you? Civil. Mccain is Justice. Sexual. Won't you stay for the night? Be a. I could show you my favorite obsession. I've been making a man. Blown hair and tanned. He's good at the relieving, man. Tension, Justice trends. From. Sexual. Sans. Sucks. So come up to the left and see what's on. I see you civic with an. But. Is really playing. Remove the. But not the symptom.

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