8 Episode results for "Mitch Fan"
The new common sense phase of lockdown
"The spectator is for the UK's brightest entrepreneurs for economic innovator of the year awards sponsored by Private Bank Julius Baer. If you own a business that brings radical positive change, and is capable of achieving national or international impact, we want to hear from you apply first of July at spectator dot co dot UK forward slash innovator. Hello and welcome to coffee shots in spectators, daily politics podcast I'm Katie booth and joined by James Precise phrase Nelson today we have had Boris Johnson Ans- phase free as the roadmap to getting the UK back to some form of normality or a new normal. This cabinet ministers like to say several times on the radio. This is what Boris Johnson had to say in the chamber as he unveiled the changes. Today. We can say. That our long national hibernation is beginning to come to an end, and life is returning to our streets since James. That's the prime minister saying that the country is getting out of hibernation, and as part of this, what exactly now going to see from the fourth of July? So Fourth July? More things will be opened than not so you will be able to go to a pub or restaurant or go and stay in a hotel or stay overnight at your parents, house or having family for Sunday lunch, and if it rains will to go inside dwelt breaking the law. This is another interesting shift Bronson, saying this is GonNa be Biden's not law, so he's going to rely on people's Coleman sense rather than threatening them with fines for for not complying I mean this is an attempt by him to come up with a set of rules are which fit more easily if it's very kind of Libertarian Merry, England political philosophy I think the big question is. Does the economy come out of hibernation at this point? Do you see people going back to work? See people going out to pubs and restaurants, or are people still so nervous, efficient disease? So still so clearly, remember the government's. Instruction to stay at home back. Even now it is allowed to go out with our reluctance cities Fraser when it comes to businesses. They're going to have specific criteria that they need to meet. Is Industry specific? Get get more information as the day goes on. In terms of for example, pubs are allowed apron from the fourth of July restaurants can in theory have customers inside but D- that. We might be looking at past screen special seating arrangements. Do. You think we're heading to a situation whether it's so much. Red Tape is going to put some faces off perhaps punches off going in the first face. Well certainly. When I saw the press reports this morning about how you going to give your name to landlord of you want to go for a pub in you. contact. Details are though all that spam vicious. To think this. At this stage it was always notable that stages between lockdown and open society. We're going to involve all sorts of shades of ridiculous things which are nonsensical. Lockdown restriction that you couldn't see his daft in some way or another, so I think you've got to be philosophical about this. If we want to try to reopen society in a way, that doesn't do it in a big bang. Overnight is going to evolve into steps, none of which will make sense as early on the road. Take for example Barbara's go back but neil. Bars aren't what about Jim's for example am. Gyms are open all over Europe not in Britain, but then again this was never going to be an elegance procedure. I am mystical heartens by the stipulation that is not going to be mandatory, but it's going to be advisory now. My opinion is what you should have done all along. You can give guidance, and if you're frank, people will accept that guidance and I think that the the power of the government to of society can inform to semi lockdown started three-quarters lockdown simply by request was never really taken. Taken seriously by the governments you ended up into this absurd situation where the police were involved, trying to polluted lakes, dog walkers wouldn't go past their enjoy themselves, and of course Dominic Cummings ending up, saying that he didn't really break, rule any winter supposed I tested honored. Castle is ridiculous. Situations would not have been as problematic as they were had the government's all along said that was asking people to use commonsense. Now of course people like me. I'm a liberal I am inclined to optimistic about the power to the common sense, the Great British public. Public if you're less liberal, think people need to be given orders so I think fundamentally. The prime minister's taken the liberal way out of this the way he's doing it to me is more important more encouraging things than the actual steps. He's announced now nail salons and gyms. This been a suggestion by. They're not open yet. They could be opened as the summer goes on things they plan, but James, when it comes to things, going to panic had Boris Johnson. Say that he is willing to put a brake on this if things change circumstances. Circumstances and putting a lot of pressure in the sense. If people don't follow the guidelines, be it by choice. Then they put the brake on. You could see some of these restrictions unwinding, whereas say generalists because the scientific advisers have been reluctant to go for ending too drastic ever since they began to get, sentencing could be brought to be blames invented inquiry, so is this something has the full backing zinc? There is some nerves. The measure changes I suspect that sage's view is. This is a political judgment, not a scientific one I'm going to be. People on Sage, who didn't felt uncomfortable with the idea of the decisions will essentially being referred to them. You know avail not elected. They are scientific advisers whose job is to think about. Born disease or health effects, nor the economy over long term economic, the longtime health consequences of economic damage so I think at some point, the politicians hat to take control of the situation, and it would have been Rome and let me get wolves wrong to suggest that they were being led by designs your these. Political judgment calls I think in terms of timing I think you can nitpick on whether it is particularly sensible when she sees changes on a Saturday. It might've been better to have done that on another day of the week. Having given that you'll reopening after kind of Fremont, so he must have been. Might have been better to dislike space things out, but I also think this in in reality. The government. Would not be keen to have to slam the brakes on because the government has a balance of reputation already for it's handling this pandemic. And to KWA. But. The question is but basically. Allowing people to go out. Have a not where they get pubs. Restaurants and life seems normal and then say oh. Sorry Shuffling them again would be deeply about it. I mean the whole thing. Government have been working towards. Essentially since Johnson returned to work is avoiding having to go for the sledgehammer option of national lockdown. This is why they are so keen to go talk scalpel like. Localized lockdowns and they had some success in western Superman. They manage to stop kind of current ivars outbreak in the hospital from going into the community, but the challenge for them isn't really going to be these sums. The VIANSA scientists that does change and the moment viewing scientists is very much as far as seasonal and sunlight is very bad for, and it finds a home to spread outside so as long as the weather is, as it is today, then there's viruses i. don't think as far as. To, surge back the bigger question is what happens in October November time and is the government. Does the government than had the tools without be the contact tracing apple, the mass testing to be able to localize any new lockdown, or is it going to have to once more revert about? Economically devastating sledgehammer of national phrase it James Mentions the wisdom of opening things up on a Saturday, but we had interesting coding done for spectator coffeehouse by reputable. Milton Mitch Fan. Of those survey to sample size of two thousand. Twenty three percents that they'd be visiting the Pablo on the first week of them reopening, so I'll be getting two point as we've. Continue See. The public actually are moving in a much cautious manner as majority than the government and mandatory 'em piece particularly have wanted them to. She's going to see people. Taking advantage of all older has saved new freedoms. Well you're right I. Think people will be quite reticence. I mean you've got people certainly itching to get out there, but you've got other people who who are saying to the government I want. Your freedom I want to stay locked down here I think you're you're being. So you will have people who thinking the government would be going too fast quite lot also after months of lockdown, you will get them I hesitate to say people who are to suffer from agoraphobia fear of open space, but I think there will be elements of that. People will have been so used to hunkering down for so many months, but they've come to associate being a public transport being outside's being. With other people as a form of danger, and I would not underestimate or belittle people who have quite a difficult time reconciling themselves to life as normal life as it was before the lockdown. I do think you can realistically expect her to the whole country in sight until it if you step outside, you're risking somebody's life hammer. That message home is hard as the government did, and then expect them to come out like a Jack box when the. The government presses the button so I do think that the reopening of these things will I mean for example? It isn't as possible now here. We all are spectators office to come to work. It's even this morning on the district line. One of these things with new doors you can see from the top of the train to the end and I was the only guy on the whole train so people even though they can come back not. In a rush to come back and I, think quite soon we'll be talking not about a nation chomping at the bit to end lockdown, but why so many people are staying inside and not spending money as the government's dearly wishes them to do meanwhile James Have News today that we are heading to the end of the daily press conferences. Is this because the government feels that they've reached a milestone in terms of that ability to deal with the crisis. mean the government is being quite keen to anything Israel, but didn't want to. It's not a good look to I. Think what they are trying to ending press conference is the same time it's now. He's realizations is to try and sage people. Things are getting back to normal and. Don't stay home towards the five o'clock fresco prince, go out and spend the money and not everyone staying home, but I mean I mean. It was a feeling that the press conference is what kind of. Ramming home the point that life was not normal when they're now trying to encourage people to go out back. That's of the biggest challenges. And he the naturally optimistic politician I think that's one of the reasons. These funds crisis quite difficult to find a register to speak to people which goes against his normal glove jocular. Barrow could optimistic take I think that the one of the big talent. Transfer him now. Can he find the language? The vocab and the national mood to persuade people to have confidence again to get out there to spend money to make those purchases that will get the economy, because one of the things retorted, the recovery is if people get very nervous. Own want to spend that much money. Because why would we get a second spike in the autumn? And and everything shuts down again and there might not be such generous scheme as You can just see the restraint. The big question is. Lots of data suggests that lots of households especially more affluent once say what all the money they pay back. Credit called that love is during the crisis on. People are gonNA. Go out and spend big now over I. Think a lot of that will depend on over. You can foster be animal. Spirits, Aviv. Thank you Fraser. Thank you James and listening. 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Best practices for releasing music 20 years in to the 21st century
"Welcome back to the Lucchini rock and roll. Circus musicians mastermind. Podcast we do this once a week. I've Got Kerry J. K. On the line with me as usual my co host and we are going to be Discussing all things having to do with marketing and releasing. You're getting it out there attracting a fan base building a fan base keeping those folks engaged and hope it will hopefully getting them to Spend some money with Ya at some point letting them pay or asking them to pay this tons of different options. We did just finished a two parter on what to do. Now that everything appears to be free out there and Internet Land and how you can leverage free and then how you can take that to the next level so that was a great series and today we are going to be talking about releasing music. How do we do it in well? Almost twenty twenty the second cleaning this as we go ahead. Thomas Third Right Decade of the twenty first century. You know what do we do? You know in this day and age to get the music out there you know. Is it released singles to you do e e PS to us do I mean vinyl seems to be making comeback. There's a lot of different options. So we're going to be today's discussion if you'd like more information on on Pass podcast so we've done can Lucchini rock and roll circus DOT COM and get more information there. So let's go ahead and get into it today then I've got Carries with me and So we've been we've been kind of talking about this because This year I plan to release a lot more music than I did. But the good news is I'm go. We'll have at least one song more released this year before the end of the year. Maybe two I wrapped up to this week and Sent them off to get mixed and so I got fingers and toes and everything crossed and I want to get at least one of these suckers done but how I had planned on doing. It was just releasing songs throughout the year. And then maybe we could talk about that. That was my plan was just to kind of put out some singles. I'd done Full length albums in the past Leah. Who We talk about. A LOT ON. Here is a big fan of the album. Tom Has another guy that Is Music Business Coach. He's a big fan of the album is well but there's different approaches. One size does not fit all obviously so Kerry We've been talking about. This is so many different ways to do it and you were talking about doing a five song something or had so let's get into that. What are your thoughts on this? I'll preface this. I am also a big fan of the album and that is well set before it. Singles singles of for the instance. Ap's of the interim and the album is for posterity newsradio. What you're aiming for is albums going to be the thing that you sits than ever done stunned by what it is. However along the way there what has changed is the rates which we do because now With so much out there so much competition rose because it's so easy to actually release something. It's I think it's more important now of bit to avoid them something lightly. But it's got to be to a decent standard and it's also how you just keep getting. Goodison. So what did lately molest so were the five song concept. Cb's it's going to be a trilogy. Okay that's what you said. You said five song. And he said five Song Ep. But you said five song concept the this is now. I remember you telling me about this. This is a Well it's like a concept album right. It's a concept away. Well that's those five songs up. I've actually WANNA start it. I was just thinking I'm just GonNa put the AP out combined the AP's into the next album. Then start doing it starts realizing. I actually quite light working in this formats. 'cause five songs is about forty five minutes to half an hour depending on how long you might get in saying well twenty minutes to half an hour and in that time you can tell a really good story across many. Soames said and then of course when she got two of them got to sites. That can be your album and the last two data combined into the next. I'll open the next album by the way this is what we're GonNa get into later is What are the goals of hurt early on was trying to find a way to keep your Ram Muffins Fai so she gets it well? This is one of them if you're doing things like bats to Kinda creepy streaming and then The actual dilatot the phone thing that it's aiming towards then becomes the next level with some action but CEO Balsamo in context will be the actual physical album on CD over formats. And I'll get an to talk about tonight that value rights of this The pay I'm really happy with the Turbie pay. I remember this my dad match day always near is like it was like seven inch record or the APP also is and how he was extended play. These sorts of like is so slight become synonymous with your demo. When you put it out there right on its lobby interim stuff so in a way now that with the digital age or so many piece going out on site and Sleaford mobs were putting out a lot of really good material. And he pays the never again revisit. It would never pay on an album that became something in its own rights products in its own right becoming a lot more than anything throwaway. Oh bonus than it used to be an astronaut Weber. Coacher will turn it into an actual product now. But it's something I'm playing with Especially maintenance then asking somebody to spend twenty five minutes with US law Asia than spend an hour with you if you have just sat down at net flicks and so I just want some twenty five minutes past the hour. If you watch that that you have to watch the episode tell you everything sounds binge-watching and then the agenda watching nothing commitment whereas when you find something that doesn't pay not twenty there for that you still love that because it's supposed to be on when you need something quick. Yeah I'M GONNA eat dinner. I don't WanNA spend a Lotta time. I don't want to get caught up in something going to be in front of the TV for an hour and a half so you know sell put on something. That's you know these twenty three twenty five minute and things and it's perfectly possible so tell a good story and Matt side and to do something that satisfying so events inbetween just an instant single and the full light album. They asked him to sit there with mean when I hear now now I gotta say this. 'cause you touched on this a little bit When I hear EP and this is because I am a gentleman grew up in the eighties nineties and when I hear EP. I you said Demo. And that's what I think of as EP. We're not really ready yet So we're GONNA put out a few songs and you know just to kind of like you know just to kind of stay there just to make sure or or we need some money and we don't really have our shit together for full album so you know here's five songs and you know by that for at the time. The album was seven ninety nine. So you bought the EP. For depress wasn't commiserate. It wasn't like you got it for like half price and it was like this. Bob was seven hundred ninety six ninety nine so it wasn't like a big so they you know so. I have a kind of mixed feelings about EP agree with. Oh I want something quick. You know it's it's easier for people to Ta- Digest especially if they don't know who you are it's easier for people to digest you know in in the Second Decade of the twenty first century where everything is just quick quick and people are bored of stuff very very very very fast but does that make it right and is that really are you. Are you really creating anything of true value and then you just become just noise just the other noise? That's out there and you know I am. I sort of thought on. It is to release an album because of a that says I think in this day and age at send something to the into the industry and the fans that I'm serious. I'm committed to this. You know here are nine ten songs. I think that that is. I think that that's part of it. The other thing too with an album with an album I think you can just if you can justify something that's more you can justify more like physical products around it. I just have a hard time. Buying the band's t shirt for their EP. You know that just as like by the t shirt of our demo or I don't know it just your I don't know if I'm if I'm coming across the way from just old and I'm thinking well isn't thing I have albums and I keep pointing the albums and I'm having done those albums. And so that's the other thing Since I always use to qualify since rebooting carry Jake's add stuff before van as well but that's really WanNa start it again and I had some Sun Human Ira Jim Abuse Foolish to albums and then sort of number three is always k one debut the sophomore and then by the third album. That's when you expect it to really ever arrive with your identity. So third is important and and so the third album. Hey I've source of done as to repays on the way towards it and that was always the plan it was going to be a trilogy of. Ap's but in the end. I think he ended up. Wet Too was enough and the third would have made it so long so that social where been helping to look a hatchback thought basically what I'm doing releasing aside side and if anyone does think 'cause I got enough songs all it can just look at my back cat logan say that's not the case and I've had people messed me and asked me. Why did they start with me? Always said start with the albums but I think everything is. I mean going back as well before then. How long does it take in between albums? And quite often it takes four years in between right That was so orion if you were so soaring doing that and the other but especially now with increased competition and visibility. It's always going to pay what you've done lightly and you can say this is what this is what I'm doing now. This is the this is the album in progress. And there's last album as the album before that but I think is there so it gets the point. Where by the time? The album actually comes out. Is that summation of that process raw from the beginning of it? I mean this is another thing that goes back. A minute was that the music industry is Ping Pong this back and forth as well and because it was it was set. Like when when started in the sixties and seventies often. The album would come out as the summation of Light. Two years soaring. That Shit right and they would've done it comes and then finally against the David colds it and then when they do the album from outside in whatever light but the next thing and that after a while when it became most jujio basic out of the way you make the album Mellon hood a note of it until it was out and then you went and you told me hit nothing else for a couple of years right and then and then when adults course than you went didn't ever album. So yeah you're right I mean. If you're not touring than what do you got to do something to keep people engaged for that period? So maybe this short bursts or three songs at a time or even a single every month. I got a buddy of mine right to fricken. He's a podcast and they write a song for every podcast and release it and he admits that some of them are but what they do is I believe at the end of the year or as they approach the end of the year they take the best ones and they go to a real studio and worked up and put together either an EP. Or and so. That's an interesting way. He's an interesting model and he's fulltime. I mean that's all that they do. They've got patriots they tour they. You know this is neat combination of like the podcast with the band and everything and you know so that model works. It's just a different way of doing it. So they there. There are themes paranormal and they each week. They do they do some kind of or they'll have somebody who you made. Mike Uber Yes. His name and And and he's he's cool dude. Good guy you know what I mean. And he and I've talked about this. I'm just impressed that he can write a song. Every week he always. So it's a total ball buster to this. This is similar to a lot of I mean I think he. Politely and Ledge is starting a similar way wherever Mation stuff and United States. Whatever was lot saga the end of an episode of what was the show. They ass all right. My United States whatever it was just like a throwaway so good that and then the N D. It became a single. Yeah well I mean I I mean I'm just talking. We could do a show on that process. Because I think I'd like to get him on here and having talk about it because he's he's He von. I've talked briefly about. It's his process is frigging fascinating and I think it would be really helpful for a lot of people in this group to see how he works because there is something to be said for working fast because it forces you to think in other ways of forces you to get creative and you know the u right fifty two songs a year you know that they're not all gonna be like Oh my God it's the next you know. Hey Jude or whatever you know that you go in knowing that but what happens is you do come up with a handful. That are pretty frigging good so we could talk about that. But I'm just talking. I just WanNa talk about the releasing thing here so that is so we're just going to get to. Is this idea that like. Do we go each week or each month or putting something putting something out putting something out Verse Says Long Periods of time. I just don't think that the the people unless you're famous Kerry unless your name is fill in the blank whatever famous rock star you can imagine. I not sure people have the patience to the next thing. If you take two years to do your next up you know what I mean so well. Let's I mean like how long it takes to survive. That album is hasn't changed if you if you want it to be good. I'm out but it was a shell them so you think so. I mean 'cause Pearl Jam put out. I mean they were doing. They were putting out a record with it within a year or less every year from a long time and I know this is not a great example of artistic integrity or anything but kiss was putting out an album every nine months and there were bands. Zeppelin put out two albums a year. A COUPLE OF TIMES. I think the Beatles did as well so I mean I don't I don't necessarily think that just because you put out an album in a short put together an album short period of time that is necessarily shed. I DO UNDERSTAND. There is a difference. I've heard recently heard Steve Harris from are talking about this about how some of their songs like like flight victories. For instance he wished they would have toured with that song before they recorded it. He's he's alive. He says they love it live so much they have like a like a kind of a difference faster the energies better and they make different. Bruce makes different choices. Vocally that are. He feels better for the song and he's like what like a regret off? We would just have toward with that song for a year before we released it that like it would have just been way way better and and I've heard other artists to talk about the same thing so that is a but in this day and age care. I don't think we get that luxury. Do we well when I use the analogy before I mean like the time when CPS and if it's not cooked yet you don't serve it and if you leave it to log it boils over gets cold whatever yes. You can't say how long that I is GonNa take. That's why you always have something on the go and so that when something is Reggie you've said Salads so what we're so what let me let me extrapolate for what you're saying so you're suggesting that yes. We still do the album every two three years. But in the meantime we are doing these like many. I don't know this is. This is a term from classical music song cycles or concert. I like concept. Ep Song Cycle might be a better. I said you said you don't like the term EP. So maybe saw. I'm releasing a song cycle a Quadrille how about an episode and episode. So that's a great thing. I'm really seeing an episode of my music or whatever my band or whatever and you could do now. Would you suggest that in after you've distilled because like essentially what we're what we're talking about a to refer back to my friend Mike is? He's doing one each week. And it comes out to fifty fifty songs a year Blah Blah Blah. What we're talking about maybe not doing working in that kind of pace but still doing something similar where you have a handful of songs being released once or twice a year or throughout the year. And then what do you do? Are you suggesting you when you go to release albums remixed those or greatly slightly different versions of them are? What are your thoughts on that right? Well I mean first of all the writing fifty songs year think that specify that section no you probably should be writing a law any and I said before that you're right a lot more than you release. Most of the time I'd love. It will stay on the shelf. We've talked about that and in that case I mean well compare that to as well you don't even after the podcast you can do that by setting up say well. I'm open mic every week. And that's that's one model he used. And that's part of the draw. His podcasters people want you really. WanNa check it out. You know an and saying hey you has to tell you that is useful. Comedians Do Songs as part of their acts. Especially if the topical Comedians. If you're a topical courageous in unique new new material every time year right of Hawaii's gets old and so once you sang at Mitch Fan on guys to comply. They will be right. There will have to be writing new material all outside and they walk into that trump's among your doing it you'll think of something it won't be heavy white stuff but it isn't. It's not meant to be us. Look for so right so so the so the way I'm seeing the processes because I because we you know we're we're we're trying to help people figure this situation out is you've got like a funnel and up here at the top you've got. Maybe I don't know I'd like a funnel or you had at the top with this big opening with all this music and some of it is song some of its half songs some of. It's maybe just some song ideas and that gets still down into songs. And then those songs get distill down into some of the stuff that you're going to release on the song cycles or episodes throughout the year and then down here we've got the best of the best refined these things maybe even a bit more so when we get to the album in eighteen months or twenty four months. What are we doing? Are we taking? We're pulling from these other things. The Best of the best. And what are we doing? We're tweaking them. We rewriting things. Maybe some better lyrics. What like what? What's what does what's the model right album. Finally when we finally say Aha and we put it out in some mega package like we actually released an album with you know this. I A couple of bands of Denison past like back in the old days. Where you where you send out the in vinyl actually. The album is actually wrapped in the t shirt. You know what I mean an autographed and you put handwritten lyrics and sell some Google package for seventy nine dollars or whatever posters and artwork and little doodads. You can sit on your you know. Knickknacks is so so. But that something you do like every two years earlier every eighteen months or whatever. But where's that music come? You're not suggesting that like we will come up all new music or or are you right as well. I've been doing as before about singles for the instance Repeating a single so the instant. Ap's for the interim albums long-term staticy. That's what you end up with the singles and this is another. This is another thing as well When you starts out of course she level you sung dry children and it takes a while to figure out. What year are sessile songs are and Jemma Leonis helped with that one way or the other and it's only and not just frogs the fattening seeing what people responding to an ultimately will find a customs? Then that's will be the ones that you put out as the first thing that people get the p the singles the ones that way. You won't say one impressed the people you've never heard of the Anti. Scalping Scott. Obey THE PULSE PEOPLE IN K. Then that could be part of your episode. You repay a whatever. I've been doing singles as parts of the facts. Come out then. And then What's the pace on the tracks that allowed puts out back can refer back to the overall thing that it's come from? So that's that's what goes singles. Are the things that you're going to be most successful songs? Another thing that takeoff probably won't be the ones that you think of is funny like that right but then all of that and singles first and then what are the PS episodes. Those are what those are those a collection of the singles or mass special. I'm getting to the singles. The singles will be included. Denting join US home. And that's the other thing. This whole thing is an ongoing process. So while you do this once you got some phenomenon and we're not easy pays out there. Put it out at that point of sappy with it. That's it goes on you so thing. I wish I had done that. Or maybe this bit isn't working as well as hoax or maybe this is so so that when it comes time to the next stage of its next paid at southbound wherever that at that point you can go back and fix those things and then you have the album versions at. It's not just about being able to say that the it's just that that's where it is now or it might be much say actually nailed at that point. Nothing mortar accurate. That's a statement. So I'll just put that one on the album environment. The values the fact that it's now in this package and it's now in this context it wasn't before and isn't formats. It was before my eight pays do not exist on physical formats and they never will a the only way that exists on fiscal formats compiled in store physical album and that point open making sure that the there's enough extra mavericks be worthwhile. I mean the people who bought the digitally pays I love from flora and the might what the physical size fat who when they do on a night. Show of getting some from didn't have already I know probably addicts things in there as well to thank them for this over the sign. Okay hold on. He thought you see said a whole bunch of stuff. I'm taking if he was watching the video seeming typing. I'm not emailing people I. I'm trying to take notes on what carries Agua 'cause we released the notes with when released the pod guys so Whoa singles are like instant get out and the And we're not releasing anything physical until we get to the album is causing and I think that makes sense so fit so you could put out singles all day long not all day long but you can you know. I think a person who's experienced songwriter or good songwriter. Kid It put out a single decent single once a month at least And then what you can do is you can go through those then you refine so then maybe you refine them a bit. Maybe added to expand the mix or sleigh different instrumentation and release in six months or year. Or whatever your ep your episode your Song Cycle and maybe a couple of surprises on that too. Maybe this is a good place to put in a very interesting remake of something of somebody else's song or you do something fun like you collaborate with another songwriter for the EP. Or something like that you could do. You WanNa make this a little bit more special and at this point where refining the songs. A little bit more maybe they. Maybe when it shows up on the EP. Maybe that lyric that bothered you. That you couldn't quite get you know on that third verse. I got it now. And so that's rewritten okay. So so the May. Even slightly different vocal takes whatever But right it's sounding like something and we're talking Between back earlier when you said about the sixties bands it would force out an album for alpay every nine months and often directly contradicted the mandate go back. Look at those albums. The same songs actually repaid over that time especially Frank Zappa that it all side Any Frank Zappa Song. You all Frank Zappa songs. You will find five or six versions coming up across his catalog. Yeah h side is brought something new Terry. I dislike an ongoing process. So and both of these singles and these episodes or or song cycles are going to be pretty much just digital only. Maybe maybe the EP. You have just a handful and you only sell it shows you. Could you could leverage that a little bit with something? Okay but the real physical thing that's going to happen is the songs and maybe some new songs and maybe again maybe some collaborations or covers or whatever get put together on the album which the album is a bigger law. It's the difference between a tweet. We talked about this at the beginning of the PODCAST. It's the difference between that twenty three minute episode of whatever on Netflix versus a Martin Scorsese directed film that showed goes out at the Google plex. And you spend seventeen dollars to go see in your blown away and it's big and it's huge insanely produced in your come out. You know kept waiting to go see. Can't wait to go see at the end. That is the album correct. And with this comes with all kinds of goodies. All kinds of extras and cool stuff that they can get We were talk. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do a podcast on this sort of personalized type of merchandise in a future. Carry has a craft kind of background right. You have a crowd right is that what am I saying that? Run that side of this house have seen. Its much myself as like my wife dozen people. I know right but I have been seeing the power of Hans Maze Handmade. Excuse me so. This is the place where you put. Maybe you do some hand done things for maybe a M- maybe take a couple art classes and you're able to like draw. Sketch some really cool so each album might have some come with an answer with a custom drawn thing. It doesn't I don't know whatever your thing is it could be whatever And so this is the big Google package thing in If you're familiar with the marketing author Dan Kennedy. He would call this your shock and awe. Pack Okay. This is the thing that people get like. Oh my God not only. Do I get the album? But there's a t shirt and I got a shot glass and a package of custom condoms. And whatever you know all this awesome stuff that I can use. Have you know? Get immersed in the world of this artist or this or this band and that's the big thing and also I think from for a couple of Samper fridges for a psychological bandwidth reasons. You can't really stat once a month. There's no time there's no you just couldn't you would you can't And also you WanNa you WANNA make something super high quality this has to be. I'd like the best of the best that you can. Produce representing from the time we started releasing those singles through that that episode or maybe episodes as however you do it up building up to this album. The big release. Is that the picture we're talking? I think the other thing as well and this also comes in so managing resources. I mean an album still custody properly and things shoestring I always liked. I think you have to spend money but tried to spend money when you have to. Not You Doug's because it's the only rights. Ktar of headstones enough. So I'm actually get some way but having said that something that's free is tried in your work and this is something else that saying the craft community showed me is that however great you autistic vision is nothing. Kills it faster than if you just throw it out? It looks like you don't care how it's presented. Yeah I've known somebody who has been trying to sell out lately and put it in in frames but the frames not free but it properly just letting it fall to craigslist fingerprints all over just little things little things that just looked like don't care and if you get that assault especially if it's something as men's be a gift guide so yeah you look at that you think that's just that stretches look sandwich so do then there's always a way to at least pay attention to the little things that make sure that wherever you out is of these high quality thing. I think this goes for all the way through this process even with your singles even with your episodes or AP's you want everything that you're putting out there so produce it the absolute best. That absolute best you can do. I mean because people don't know the difference between Lombardy Kerry J. K. and their favorite classic artists. There don't know they're just listening if you're songs six ALICA sore thumb because it sounds like demo. You know what I mean. Then you are you know. And you've got like weird noises in it like unintentional. Then you're that's a half assing it so it each one of these stages you have to have that attention to detail. It's a pain in the ASS because we want to get it out there. You know what I mean. This is what was also took talked before about print. Some demands is a wonderful way to get stuff out there zero heads however it can be a false friend and working. We're going to hold program on that. We just quickly now. And then I'm GONNA mentioned crew Machi- not to Aki is still the cheapest place to get. See these thugs because there's no heat. Involvement is completely automated so that so that's the reason for the quite open about this and that competitors will tell you this and quite writes it was well because that human involvement is actually worth paying for a time. When you go to Kentucky. Nobody's GonNa Check your work and it's just like something something so a printer right if you send it back files or Prince. What you get is terrible prints out you can't use and that's the same as if you send the platform if you send stuff taken accurate about having done your quality control. I. You'll get back a box of useless. Cd's and you've got known a complain. Say because it showed absolutely but the the other thing gave something they will companies like that do have a drop shipping function. Why he can say that this person's fault it and they'll send it them and that's lovely and this law merchandise where they can do that. Exactly however if you put that distribution the hands of someone else you never even say what you're sending out to your customer you have completely circumvented that important personal connection where that policy coming fears in front of the factory. You've got no control over what the packaging is GonNa be. Lightning might let your message to the customer in there maybe but That whole experience of guessing a physical pain from this person that they want to support is gone and that is such a valuable thing. I want to say again with the crafts. I want my wife has done so before but really making an effort with apostle and putzing little gets in. There aren't expensive but at least but make it more of an experience when you open the Pasol and you take like confetti ship for all over the floor but you do want look like you're actually make enough to make it nice and make pleasant thing come through the posts We're we'RE GONNA we'll work. We'll deal with that in more detail because my concern about that I think is great idea and I think it's also great way to distinguish yourself to set yourself apart from the people that are just drop shipping you a CD from their record label or whatever. My only concern something. We'll discuss next week. We're going to get into this next week. 'cause WE'RE WRAPPING UP. I want they would think I wanNA know is and we. We can research. It's a little bit. Is How scalable can that be? Because if you're saying even if you're going with the thousand true fan model you that's a thousand times after like personalized something so like. Let's just we'll put that on the back burner because that's a whole other topic so for so so the title of this. Podcast is Best Practices for releasing music twenty years into the twenty first century. Okay and we discussed the you know. This carry has a unique thing with this concept EP. Which I would like to explore in more detail in future but we discussed EP versus album. And then we come up with this process singles for kind of the instant. Keep the fans interested you know and yes you want you want. You want them to be great but there is always going to be. You're always going to want to tweak later and that tweaking later can come in when you do the next thing. Which is either EP. Carry lexical an episode IV I referred to it as a song cycle. And where you maybe take some of the same songs and you refine them. Maybe there's a song or two you've been holding back and released yet so you can put that in with the package and you do like us. Ep Song Cycle whatever and both of these things are primarily digital releases. Were not really looking at like sending things through the post it this point we refine even further. We've written some maybe couple more size. Maybe we even come up with a couple of Clever remakes of classic songs or maybe not classic songs with songs by you know. They're like he'd lost tracks or whatever from other artists and we put together the big night out. Version of your music called the album and this is the equivalent to going to see that. You know fantastic movie. You've been waiting for a year and a half. They've been teasing you with teaser trailers for for a year and a half and you go and it's absolutely amazing you're in the production is stunning and everything about you. And that is the equivalent. That is what the album is to sort of be and this is a physical thing. Maybe you maybe. We only release some of the tracks digitally on this to get the album to get you want the full experience. You've got get the album with all kinds of extras. Maybe you you ship a t shirt with it or some custom artwork or you write a personal note People love South like that and we we wound up with saying we want to everything at all the stages absolute quality and especially when they're going to hunt down a good chunk of money for the big. You know the full Monty at the end you WanNa make sure everything like that is totally pro. You don't want to send out stuff. That's you know crooked. Ed or the lettering isn't right or there's misspellings or you know the anything that smacks of being half asked or unprofessional. This has to be your absolute crowning thing. And I so so. That's the general picture of of. I think what we could call best practices anything you want to add to that carry before we are finished for today. I to go over this next time. I'm going to cut what it does. Mean an x-ray excellent now this is gonna be really cool. I'm I'm I'm very interested in this. Because this idea of personalizing things is a way to set yourself. Apart from the just churned out. Whatever you know people love to get something that is personal. I mean we in marketing. I've been you know taken. You know. Been involved in marketing for years and something they always comes up like how nice it is to get a personal written letter from somebody thanking you for your purchase or whatever. I mean people really that just blows people away in an age I. It's in this day and age where everything is digital and throw away an email and text to get something like that. I got a letter from another musician that I recorded for like man probably five six years ago. I still haven't tangy up on my refrigerator. Wrote me a note and thanked me for playing on his record. I was like wow. It was like really touched very cold even like real high powered. Moxie guys'll people whose job it is to go to company and get that contract ongoing business they will rarely go to town on personal contact with forever words and other come to make up. I think this B. MCI the book is business envelopes. They were saying he will not believe how much we know about Augustus. And this was long before big data and he was signed. We have a file that fit on everybody and it says about it gets the point being crazy. Some of it all stays where kids go skill and all of this is so that when he already when he goes not museum just throwing some comments about all Owen Owen. He brings a male. You can get tickets for that sports game right right right and have something that is going to get the album guys and the live show which we didn't talk about it but because we're talking about releasing the album is your equivalent of the taken the CEO of that company on a golf outing as a great time. And you know you have an awesome dinner and great party. I that is what you're doing. What the album. You're like blowing their minds so that like Oh my God. This is perfect. This is the greatest thing ever and that is what that's the reaction you want. You WanNa overdeliver AC- overdeliver as often you can but when it comes to the album. That's where the big that's where you really WanNa like blow their minds all right Carrie. Thanks Buddy I'm going to wrap up the PODCAST. We'll talk for a minute after we're done here but Kerry J. K. What does that? What your Website Again Buddy Cage Aka music's UK Okay and you've got and you can find more more about the Dini rock and roll circus and other musician mastermind podcasts. That we have out there. We're doing we're doing them. Once a week you can find out more information at Lucchini rock and roll circus dot com guys have a great week. Keep making great music. And we'll catch guys on the next podcast.
The Sports Reporters - Episode 220 - Game 5's discussed in the NL. A blast from the past in college football
"The Award Winning Journalists New York Times best fillers topic out of bounds no opinion left unsaid an institution for sports talk and information this is the sports reporters here's Mike Luba and Mitch Albom New York Daily News and MLB DOT COM buehler. I mean he's just a great young pitcher totally up to the circumstances of the occasion and then when he finally pulled him and Kershaw comes in was bound and determined to Pitch Kershaw Past Adam Eaton and when it happened Mitch it happened in the space of about five surprising about what happened in the tenth because what's you gotta clean inning from him get him the hell out of there and whether you've lost confidence in Kenley Jansen or not eight okay after that only does it and he pitches he pitches Joe Kelley he should have had my ada into pitched the thinning that's a great second guess but was stunning because everything they had wanted to happen through seven Mitch had happened you've talked all year we love Walker monumental and surprising days in the history of playoff baseball and certainly will get to the ten run first inning Louis Cardinals but the have you along if you're a regular always glad to have you back in it's wonderful to have days like this where literally hours ago something happened and you have an outlet line like chips pushed to the middle of the table a hundred and six for the dodgers the Astros have a hundred and seven on the line on Thursday night but this to me justice about this and and the spectacle over two nights of having a two hundred and thirteen regular season wins on the Line Mitch get them into the game well this Mike this speaks to a larger issue about playoff baseball Bob Ryan were with us I'm sure he'd be pulling out and by the time Clayton Kershaw was sitting by himself at the end of that bench Mike Lupu This whole narrative had changed you know Mitch I was talking to a friend of mine I tried act that were that's the second story only goes to show you that the hundred and six win Los Angeles dodgers who were cruising along with a three nothing lead and the party was about to start in Los Angeles broad in arguably you know the the the best or second best pitcher of the last ten years as a reliever I haven't had a lot of confidence in Clayton Kershaw and then for him to leave Joe Kelley and anybody who watches a lot of Boston Red Sox Games Mitch that there was nothing to get Adam eat them with a nasty breaking ball to get them through the seventh you think okay things are set up but it was clear that Dave Roberts eighteen minutes and and again he didn't get get beat up by two tomato cans Mitch he got beat up by some of the best players in as a trio plus a host today we're doing do oh this is a nice thing about the podcast world you can you can flex sometimes you have a quad it's a flex schedule it's like the flex get it's then it gets worse then it gets worse even after Kershaw is is is out of the game okay because what you've got to do is pitch talk about it and what we witnessed in Chavez Ravine on a day really that I think historically is going to go down as as as one of the most innings and his argument Roberts argument was well Kelly's my most rested reliever and he's only thrown ten pitches well he's rested Joel embiid right that's right sometimes you Sunday afternoon it's Sunday night and sometimes it's Thursday but we do the program Mondays and Thursdays or if you're joining us for the first time welcome glad the stadium well okay he's not in a precarious state for his body of work his body of work is excellent where he's in a precarious state is is now so either they they fire him as a sacrificial offering to the to the fan to try to get them to calm down or they come back next year and the fact all of his hair over the overthinking and and and we gotta do something different in the postseason managing of pitches pitchers in the League if you make the wrong move I agree with you as a wrong move bringing them in in the first place don't compounded by leaving him there when he's losing guys who we have does he have the team behind him next year and the fan base and that matters to Mitch Fan base although you know look they can't get any worse than like this guy a lot and I'm in touch with him a lot during the regular season do you believe that Dave Roberts despite his record there is now in a precarious state at get over to world series losses the buffalo bills fans were still there when they came around the fourth time for a super bowl still got beaten but the team like the team you know the rolled the national league this year that thought it was it's destiny to finally win the world series let's stop right here and put this on the table Mitch and I is every year with the dodgers in spring you have every reason to be excited because they're rich they're young they're talent they'll run and run and I ask you this in light of the conversation we had a couple of days ago about just invert lander which did not work out obviously for Houston this whole idea of games gave this is it and once that ball goes over the fence it was this is a stunning and ending to to a great regular season is coming in there is going to bring some kind of baggage with them as well but there are other issues here Mike what about Clayton Kershaw when Clayton Kershaw was sitting by himself all my on that bench and there have been others and we have cataloged them all the way back to when the mariners one hundred sixteen and couldn't get by the Yankees but for a team that lost the last two world series spaw Rendong Soto is twenty years old and a joy to watch play this game doesn't matter with your left-hander or right hander and once it was three two three but starters relievers is it maybe time to rethink just how clever that is sees I'll tell you why no because the last time he was he was he was awful and so maybe you go back to that maybe you go to the fact that there was some kind of injury he was dealing with before but if you can't the Red Sox can't win the world series last year if their best relievers aren't their starters price volley season than it is during the season I'll give you one more the dodgers would've won the two thousand seventeen world series if Clayton Kershaw who counts on that seasonal guys that tells you something when you've got him to and you can't close them out that tells you something and he's walking a guy and then he's letting a guy go right and boy did they leave that camera on him for a long time yeah you thought he had crawled out of that hole of postseason failure is just on the back nine Mitch at some point you have to say okay his earned run average is like two runs higher in the post each terribly in relief no I actually think it's a good thing especially the way relievers get ground down now during the regular season Clayton Kershaw the they remember those kinds of moves and are the players that's where I don't know I can't read I'm not the GM of the dodgers if the players have his back if the look at him and say yeah that's an overpowering pitcher not for a long time and again to home runs mike onto eighty nine mile an hour yeah layers one brain dead game decision and still he's their manager then I don't think you have to lose them I mean you know anyone because Kershaw failed last night look what Patrick Corbin did for the nationals last night look what Max Scherzer has done out of the bullpen in this series stats where his record ninety seven and four when he'd been given a four run lead he couldn't hold the lead they lost that game they ended up losing a two and then in a Tutu pitchy city so so how many opportunities that he mike he was still in there after the Grand Slam you know I don't know if that's what we surrender what's in seven games I'm telling you even when they re upped a Mitch we talked about this at the time it was like it was a life achievement award this new the contract because it has been a long time since you really looked at him and he's getting by on on cantaloupes and melons a lot of the time okay aw had been able the game that ended up thirteen twelve or whatever had ended up in game five okay he had a four run lead and that night everybody was coming up with the it's a great idea and exhibit if no if exhibit is Kershaw can go wrong look at the way Patrick Corbin pitched last night after he had I think that that was his fatal mistake he he got the timely strikeout and the momentum that carried maybe ride that you say thank you so run and so you're going to believe so by spring he's not going by spring then what's the point more than fans because I think the fans eventually look they managed play these games and it's all easy to do with the next day and Dave Roberts doesn't have that option but you bring Kershaw in to close out and he gets that strict maybe yellow on and on and on and the year before the year before Aj hinch had established attempt by using his. No I think I think it's on you know thank you now we're gonNA move back to our rotation like you said he seemed to already have made his mind up okay my best reliever is Clayton Kershaw right yes barely made up his mind that once he got him into the game he was going to ride them as long as he possibly could and and it was like you know it's like the old and then he's he's he's now I mean this is what people are gonNA remember that shot they're going to remember him sitting there by himself and my question to you it's a I think it's great soup yeah okay but he's clearly seen him okay and fresh Roberts's October memory is guest Dave thought that he was going to get that out of Clayton Kershaw but he didn't and Mitch a dead it's yes it's a second guess but in they have every right to say well how about the team that won let's not forget because Mike you've been quick to point this out throughout the season as the nationals have risen to this occasion it doesn't matter it's how you're playing at the end and the fact is these were evenly matched teams if you look at their records and you could argue the nationals were on a hotter run after nine thousand nine hundred thirty one which was there start their record was the same as the dodgers so anyone who is shocked at wait a minute victories right from the first day at the gate it was fifty games into the season before the nationals found their feet but who cares you know EDSA to Mitch Jeju not watching him stay in there think to yourself does Dave Roberts no they don't have any more games after this almost like well I can't use Clayton Kershaw for one batter I mean you know Judge Clayton Kershaw I saw somebody somebody somebody wrote a piece and I thought it was match here's what I've been thinking the last week or so okay and when you talk about the the nationals had to be grinding from fifty games on the twelve games under five hundred they played the rest of the season seventy four and thirty eight after they were nine thousand nine hundred thirty one siler Brora producer he loves the dodgers Majeida has to pitch the eighth inning when he finally got in you saw what he did was he was the they didn't need them and you cannot deny Mike they're in China the ravine with all the tradition against the dodgers they're down I mean look at the way the anyhow and you're down to Oh and now you're down three Oh and they came back from that came back against Clayton Kershaw came back from three Oh and then with a guy who and you know what every game felt like a big game you know who started playing big games this week the Astros and the dodgers you know who started playing urged rex brothers line who are you going to believe me or your own lionize Okay Robertson's runners I thought that was country music no you know what I looked it up one time I was curious healthy and and then it just evolved from there and this now now let's let's throw over to the other side because there's something if people listening to us in Washington DC and Because of where they came from when they got to the postseason and it's clear Stephen Strasburg did what he had to do Max Sherzer twice did what he had to do the hundred and six wind dodgers well yeah one hundred six win dodgers began on opening day hitting home runs and started accumulating there she killed my wife and Bailey said yeah but let's face it Carl you didn't do very much to keep alive either okay to eleven no home runs no RBI's across five games and very much to save his team okay it's it's like an old line I heard from f Lee Bailey when he was discussing this accused killer in the guy finally said I just want you to know I did earning point there you know a five game series has to be analyzed in hindsight of all five games yet but obviously to lose the last who got the last three out to the world series with nasty breaking balls Chris Sale of the Boston Red Sox he struck out the side in the ninth inning of game five and cannot you cannot discredit what the nationals did especially with oh two counts and coming back and and and they deserve this this was not he had plenty of big at bats in the late innings and you know who finally saved him the kid will Smith WH- because I thought when he hit that ball in the night I thought it was out yeah well taste something else Mitch I was thinking about this yes it's easy to to to belt away at Dave Roberts today the MVP of the National League didn't do two six one seven three is is going to haunt the dodgers oh my nationals are a great story and news sometimes you just get games like this where it's like okay but having said that all right having said that opportunity to turn a double play and does it make and then the floodgates opened now can you blame him for nine more I have thought he was going to get into that game watch them on the bench moving back and forth they said if Max Scherzer gets into this game seven after what he did you now I've seen everything but as it turned out shouldn't games this week the Astros in the dodgers and there was a certain there's a certain muscle memory and we're seeing it from the raise for teams who have been on the grind if he didn't have the name Kershaw on his back what used brought him back out there for for for the next hour but he cleared Mitch you just said it he had run-scoring in that inning no but those are the kind of things when you analyze it you don't shut the door you don't as asked a dodger failure story this was a nationals continuing an amazing rise from one thousand nine hundred wins thirty one losses and who knows how far it's going to go on for months okay the raise our grinding into the last week of the regular season just to get into the wild card game to beat out the Cleveland Indians and there's an of any sport and you have a chance to get out of a rough inning which clearly you know the the braves starter was not ready ready for ready for prime time yeah I mean did you Sotos hit that ball come to papa yeah I mean I look we can re there was a moment when they were down what I think it was just one run right I think it was one one nothing when Freddy Freeman has the just to play for the dodgers how we can drink a couple couple of years ago sorry tyler I could rub in the stuff in but but I mean it's a novel it's an amazing story them in game four at home Yati ties the game Yati wins the game with a sacrifice fly and again there's there may be something every time we go to a big game sports whether we're attending or watching we think to ourselves I know you think the same way because we talked about this I may see something today I never saw before and we saw a ten run first inning it made me think of my literally coaching days I thought they were invoked the slaughter rule and just send everybody the Mitch and I'll tell you what though the here's another example the cardinals were about twenty seconds ago it was like match point against you know you could go back to game two when they lost four two when they were at home and and Kershaw Gannon Strasbourg and Sherzer that might have been the we talked about the dodgers for a long time now let's flip over this is this l. look you and I have covered a lot of baseball between the two of US sometimes the Mitch it looked like he thought it was a seven game series okay I'll just look in the books we'll come back and get him tomorrow I'm going to have any more it was four to nothing but the stats of that inning Mike are mind blowing that that they they scored I mean no home runs ten runs I do have a certain edge at this time of year and maybe amassing one hundred plus victories and running away with your division is not the best trained it began with a home run that wasn't a home run that got hit in the fence and you think okay we got a break here you got caught in the door of the fence it's ground rule double the boom on Knox a guy in bishop game there was a drop ball early in the game and somebody said to Sammy Baugh the redskins curve you think things would have been different and he said yeah it would have been seventy three to six okay and so they're caught between a rock and hard place but you're right we got a theme going here with exception of the Yankees who obviously they just need the Minnesota twins and all is well for them to having to be on the edge the cardinals had to grind their way through September they were no lock to win the division and if they didn't win the division they could afterwards was asked and he said this is all on me and so baseball players understand the Karma of what happens when you leave the door open but you know what I was thinking when three minutes and the dodgers go out you got a theme you've got more than a theme you've got a headline story of you know obviously the regular season and big big win numbers it's in these in these things and Mike we've seen it in football we've seen it in basketball hot teams who finished his strong it's so much about how you're playing at the moment and run into the wildcard mix and Mitch it's like a theme of today maybe the teams that have played big games for months and again on the road you know on the road and you go in and do something like this which was just it was over so fast I don't know maybe maybe a mercy killing like that is better than no home runs the guy was lifted for I forget who it was was lifted for defensive purposes after batting in the first thing in the game said that and I had the same thought you had watching the game I do recall the line after the the bears beat the redskins seventy three to nothing in nineteen forty NFL him or the way or tenth inning Grand Slam now because it was more cruel the way obviously the way the dodgers lost I mean I guess maybe having Roberts has a tendency to have bad pitching you know what I was thinking was tyler I was thinking about the Ryan Madson decision last year that kind of churn happened to the dodgers were interesting question which which which was more merciful for the fans of either the braves dodgers the way the way Saint Louis when the Tigers played of all teams the cardinals back in the last world series that they were in and they were so good that they got done with the first you know the the American league around and then sat around I really think that they carried that game for Molina carried them with those he himself hadn't been having a great game now up until then and then all of a sudden it turns and then boom you carry that in game three game for the wild card game I was there the other day it I was just reminded all over again forget about what the payroll is forget about what the attendance go to defend a ten nothing we don't need more offense so I've never ever seen anything like that but it could have turned on that play and as we talk a lot we tyler and I talk a lot we talk a lot about the dodgers okay do you want Dave Roberts back I think it's time for yeah you know these teams including now you know we're going to see what happens obviously with Houston but if Houston goes out Atlanta goes out and Astros Mitch didn't have to win a game felt like they didn't have to win a game until game for obviously they have the pitching edge but I'll tell you something and who knows bill lamb beer once said you don't chop off the head of the snake with a with a with a skype you've got to kill when you get the chance to kill in postseason action is is not combat training and I don't know what you do how you compensate for it but it's something to be aware of when you start picking favorites oh you took a thoroughbred out of his rotation and out of his norm and he was not the thoroughbred anymore and now they're down well you know they got Garrett Cole that's GonNa Happen against the giants and other time you want to say you know go to seven games it's almost the best thing that can happen to you what are you going to do you not going to tell team to intentionally lose so so there and people are going to be hearing this after the game has been played this kid tyler glass now who's starting for the raise pretty damn good well the race pitching is just really really tough to get whoa this is our weekend podcast so people are going to be listening to this after tonight's game it's GonNa be very interesting that the rays again they've played three deciding games already game five against the Red Sox just burland her still the best pitcher in the world then pitching on full rest pitched he pitched slightly longer in that game for a week while the American teams battle it out and by the time they got back to playing in the world series they had lost the rich yeah happened twice to the another bad relief pitcher decision anyway listening Back Grief Counselors mentioned Mitch obviously is this is as tough out as there is in baseball and again they've been playing big games for a while the astros the and you know coming in and relief to look at how we're Clayton Kershaw so whether it's the end of the world are not what they tried with Justin Berlin they still got a pretty damn good pitcher go into the mound go about whether Justin verlander was the right move and you know how I felt and and and what I feared is exactly what happened to Justin Burley enter and you took a through and and and and it proves in postseason baseball that's what matters now we can't look we had a spirited discussion a couple of days brushes which is what he would have had if the pitch game five and so it is set up a scenario where can't always knew he had but they're going up against a team that is not just house money Mike I mean they're Giddy with what they've done going into the best calm about this yesterday mlb dot com this is this is one of the biggest games in the history of this franchise played a game like this since game five against the Texas Rangers in two thousand and ten when they had to go up against cliff Lee now this to get three Game Mitch in the space of what thirty why not us we've got two teams that went into the opposing stadiums and walked out with unlikely game five victories why not us everything running for postseason readiness now there's no alternative to it you're not gonNA lose games on newstalk cubic close but you know look it's the same thing that happened with the hours to get three game fives it's why we love baseball and October and talking about battle ready if the raise win this game Eric Cole in his back pocket and if they do win this game he still goes with the in game one of the ANC S Verlinden game to he'd have coal and from a history point of view I'd love to see them win the game but I don't WanNa see the win the game for the baseball that comes after it because we've already been robbed of Los Angeles it over early Tyler I think we yes I WANNA do watching how Kendrick a former dodger hit a slam off you in the tent on again you can't stress this enough with the lowest payroll in the entire sport this does not happen in the NBA this does not happen in the setting itself up for them at four elimination games in nine days I don't I don't know how far you're GONNA have to go back to find some team that does that so from a story point of view and this kind of adrenaline the kind of we can do anything sort of thing don't count us out combined with what they've just witnessed yesterday if they were sitting around watching television gave up four runs and the astros not only lost but lost their season so you just you just never know and you never know how he would have responded having an extra day advantage and baseball and here's the thing about Burland Mitch and by the way I'll die on that hill I still think it was the right decision because guess what there's a fallacy of predetermined outcomes lender setup for game six and seven so everything works out well Mitch except that got to do one kind of important thing when they need to win the game baseball so they send the kid or quickey out and they lose game for anyway okay there's no guarantee burland are on full rest GonNa piss any better and by the way a year ago royalty they're going to be back both of those teams are going to be back again in the future they just always are but to have Tampa Bay against the Yankees who I would've loved to have seen get back to a world series we've already you know Saint Louis and Atlanta Saint Louis as we talked about album of the Detroit free press and this is a sports reporters podcast the podcast incarnation of the long running Sunday morning TV show on ESPN which was tonight they will have won four elimination in nine days ninety three which means this isn't going to scare them inch because there are some pretty good guys out I like you know Madden sitting out there California Guy Author favorites yeah I mean. NFL It doesn't happen in the Mitch you know you follow hockey close it there is never this kind of disparity payroll disparity and here they are from the county who has been up and general year yeah that's pretty that's pretty heartbreaking all right I guess I guess our question is answered quite let me ask you this tyler brewer got kind of ranked as are a wonder Mitch Day are I'm telling you I know Kevin cash little he was with the Yankees for awhile what they've done he always had Garrett Cole and you could argue well so if they lost that game with a week fourth starter now they'd have Justin Justin Burland Garrett Cole for today's game but yeah I think if you're a baseball fan before we move onto the NBA's travails on the other side of the world you Kinda WanNa see the Astros and the and you know a nationals cardinal series isn't exactly the postseason that we were hoping for when we had the heavy national corporation businesses just can't stop salivating at the potential for money because of all the people there are resources challenge and are empowered to not just find and hire the right people but to engage motivate and reward them every single talent that's why Cronos puts HR payroll talent and timekeeping on a single cloud based platform it's one specially designed to give it us at Cronos dot com slash H. 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It's hard to do a ridiculous apology that was was five minutes from hostage tape and that's what it looked like it was weird the genie's out of the bottle a little bit they're in China to because they love the NBA but at what cost at what cost if you are going to now send out G in China and the game that just finished up as we are now broadcasting between the Lakers and the nets the audience Schmitz who won I you know I I don't care and I'm not even bothering to report I just know it's over but but the I saw some of the tape from it and and by by State Run Television and the Mitch How many times when we talk about this when when a player will go to another team for money a strong as I would like to see then they have all these players muted over there the press conferences were cancelled Adam Silver's press conference was cancelled okay quite amazing to watch him basically hide under the desk when he got asked a question about this issue but now we're hearing all this stuff ESPN doesn't want pouched about you know being apologetic and we want to be educated on these issues and all the rest of it although I thought he took a somewhat stronger stand the next day Mike they are gonna come home from China and they're going to get asked questions and are they all supposed to now have tape over their mouths So I go back to what I said at the its on air people talking about the politics of the Situation Mitch we sat together for a long time on Sunday mornings now we're happily doing this podcast he's the commissioner of the League and he's allowing China to say there's not going to be any press bill ability they didn't want I'm sure Nike was very pleased not to have Lebron James have to be asked about line to to to long jump so that Hitler's cronies can't call him foul you can't celebrate people standing up to bullies you can't sell Ayubi no he's afraid to say something that's going to Piss off his boss that's going to Piss off his Co. commissioner and he was it was here and by the way you don't think there'll be some hue and cry from the basketball fans of China if they're NBA gets taken away from them just become an extremely popular step of the way learn more about Kronos HR solutions for the modern workforce and the people who support them because Kronos is at heart a people love and this is all that that Morley tweet was about the notion of if you speak out against a country a complicated situation far more complicated than you know a forty five minute long a sports podcast can handle but the notion tape a show for the rest of the world about the home country so the idea that people are going to run away from this is a bit Titian genuis but you're right won't change a single day of the rest of his life are we going to you what you just said is true we're GonNa have to run a going out of business sale for Adam silver if he loses China out this because the Brian James is going to have to face his his history about I speak up for injustice was just for college athletes getting paid or are you are you going to actually point angel was weird all that was missing was to him holding up a newspaper with the date on it you know and blindfold over him and then have Adam silver's comments about which were thing about how they stand up when they see injustice well you can't go take the money and pretend you don't see what's going on there and I you know Hong Kong is a very the the read the reports of it and they said you know the fans were going nuts with every dunk and fans were yelling MVP for Lebron and they clearly you know the the the operate the NFL players taking a knee and having the right to do so and bragging about you in your league you don't have those issues because we respect we used to laugh at the notion that the Olympics aren't political of course their political the political from the time it becomes beginning and I ask you is there a point at which the NBA needs to say you know what we're pretty big as we are where we got a lot of money already we're not going to get on join a freedom of speech isn't that what freedom of speech is four exactly we talked about this too fairly well with Kapernick descent award but I'm a great admirer of Steve Kerr Okay but how weak did his answer. I'm still researching I'll really Steve Really players rights to express their opinions not to mention they conveniently had a rule where you can just stay in the locker room but they've been talking about how you know from Lebron to silver to everybody themselves in glory covering southern glory in this not Adam Silver Net guys like Steve Curr and not these players because these players have a lot to say you are going to be taken from your country to the and transported to that country for justice if you think speaking out against that is somehow will I don't know the whole situation always has been in this country what are we gonNA stop talking exactly exactly well put my and I want to see what happens when those teams come fast from the past death valid all this stuff Florida is on the rise you you've heard me talk them is a great coach they are doing it with the so this is a this is a really important game especially given the rest of Florida's schedule and who they're going to play so I human rights violations or the authoritarian regime that China is and if you by the way if that doesn't get your gander go read the response that China had when ride the owner of the Brooklyn Nets says well this this issue is the third rail in China and Hong Kong well guess what we talked about this the other day racist the third rail and about a lot of things and we have celebrated them for that talking about social injustice and racial injustice and all the stuff but but when Joe Joe Borough
"Busted Bears YearEnder 2020" with Dave Wannstedt - EP039
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I mean you you some perfectly just pretty much. Your typical bear season They surprise early on and then they fall off and then they get back on right when you're about to lose all hope for the season and sneak in the playoffs or they barely missed the playoffs. But you know they really don't have a shot to win in the playoffs so by november. All the wind is out of your cells as a fan and you're kind of waiting for the next year so yeah this is a very disappointing season. Not that there are too many expectations going in but the expectations that were created with the five and one start were just so utterly despicable considering what the bears ended up doing this year. It was just i use. It was just disappointing. He was frustrating. The playoff game was unbelievable. The team looked so undisciplined. the offense was was anemic. Obviously darnall mooney made it a little bit of a difference but certainly not a fifteen point difference. It was just. It was your typical season. It's really frustrating. To see no change after the same thing happens over and over and over again that's the definition of the definition. The very definition of insanity is is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting different results and there's practically got in the same exact results so i don't understand why it feels the need to continue to repeat this trend next season's just going to the same old story so back back. Five hundred seasons in two thousand eighteen. They went twelve and ford division championship. Ryan pace gets executive of the year after trading for khalil. Mack before the season coach of the year honors go to matt nagy and his rookie year with the bears. And then matt nagy gave up playcalling duties this year bench. The quarterback that was bryant paces. Big move in the two thousand seventeen draft moving up to pick him ahead of patrick mahomes and dijon watson and it just was just a messy up and down season and like you said it. It ended with not a lot of answers but we got those answers when the press conference of the year press conference was held and george mccaskey. The bears owner decided that ryan pace the general manager and head coach matt nagy would return. Chuck pagano the defensive coordinator is retiring. Ted phillips remains as the ceo of the team. And so they go forward. Not a lot was decided after that. Your impressions when you heard that frustrated the not surprised i kind of had a feeling that at least nagy would return. Pace returning was was fairly surprising to me and the organizational direction. It's just it's just absolutely abysmal. The defense gets way too much focus and then this year the offense was so subpar. Two where the defense was pressured even more to control the game which should really never task your defensive controlling the tempo of a game And the players getting older had some injuries on both sides had regressions on both sides of trevathan and eddie jackson and robert quinn and then the injuries all across the offensive line and cohen and such and this was bound to happen eventually. But the frustrating thing is. It's not like the bears are coming off this stretch where they've made the playoffs and been forced to be reckoned with. They had the one season two years ago when they made it to the playoffs and got upset by the eagles and then the next season they were incredibly disappointing and this year they even more disappointing. So i don't really know what the team expects to happen. I don't feel like you're not gonna get two thousand and fourteen robert quinn next year. You're not gonna get twenty seven twenty seven two thousand eighteen danny trevathan. What what nick. What type of. Nick foles do on nick. Foles has never really been capable. Regular season quarterback the entire organizational directions. Just so jumbled up and frustrating to the point where. I can't really envision this team putting together a roster that will be set by next season's opening day that can give bears fans any reason for optimism or hope that there is real direction. You know a group think is right when you fall into like everyone starts saying the same thing and so i kind of feel like i fell into group. Think when it came to the bears after they lost in and after the press conference and you know it was the meat head mentality. And i i definitely fell into that. And that's part of the fan that takes over. So i think we need someone. We need to call someone. Jason who has been there done that part of it understanding and help us understand what they might be thinking over it at halas hall jason former bears head coach fox sports. Nfl kickoff analysts in chicago. Bears analysts on nbc. Sports chicago and six seventy the score. Dave wanstead is joining us. Now dave thank you for joining us. I got my head around. What is going on at halas hall. You spent six years there can you. Can you give me a little bit of insight into reactions at this week's press conference in which they announced that ryan pace and matt nagy will return. Well i i've said this. I wish what i was doing some of my cup presque with the bears that i could've been In my office reading it and not Within arm's reach in the media. That was kind of interesting. Doing zoom press conference of this magnitude. But i did that and that was my first thought was in and people. Are they understand that. Nothing of this magnitude happens. The bears without virginia mccaskey's blessing say. Oh god virginia mccaskey. she's almost one hundred years old. Hey trust me on this. Now she is into every major decision that those on at the bears. And yes george mccaskey and ted or whoever can bring thanks tour and they can can bencher but for the happen. She has to say yay or nay. That's just how it happened. So she was she was in agreements with. What's going on right now. And at the end of the day mccaskey's also they. They are not one of these knee jerk organizations. I mean they they an and character and personalities whether it's right or wrong that plays into the decision that the bears mate so you have to combine those things and say okay. They obviously really like the character of nagy. They liked the character Of ryan pace. They like how they work together. That mccaskey's do not like conflict. So there obviously on the same page and then you know i. I would be curious. 'cause i don't know the thing said facts. The things i don't know are what are they saying. Moving forward because that would be my first question. Okay now how are we going to get into the playoffs and make a run next year. How are we going to solve these problems. And that would be interesting and That both of them you know are on the same page and And they must have been awful convincing. See i and let me. Just make a comment about bill. Nye go with back. Ted's not it's going to just throw stuff out there but he's not and he never makes himself ought to be a decision maker in situations like this he's gonna throw out. Stop the george and virginia for them to think about but this is totally mcafee decision. It's still not involved in this decision except giving his opinion so when i tell people that when they talk about the character and how much and george mccaskey talked a lot about how much he really thinks highly of the the moral character of matt nagy and ryan pace that is a very very big deal to their family and to the character of the mccaskey family so they put a lot of stock in that. Don't they they absolutely do. There's no question about that and That's important to them. And if you're gonna get the benefit of the doubt and you're not the type of person that matt nagy ryan pace are then and they have made a change but that that that carries some weight in this decision when it was when there was a decision to be made and you know unfortunately and he's the best friend of mine. I got him into coaching chuck. Garneau you know i talked. I was keeping in touch with chuck once a week. And you know obviously when you're gone our sudden he'll take some undue criticism and looks like they're gonna throw mitch under the bus. Which i have been a mitch fan from the opening week. I bet my point. Is you gotta do what mitch can do best. You drafted him. This is what he does best do it and give the kid a chance to be successful. That was obvious that they did not want that to happen. When they signed foles exposes is not the same player physically mentally anything that makes you so their minds. It looks like they wanna do the offense. That matt nagy believes in which is not the run game. Run the ball play action. Pass all the stuff that mitch can do. So yeah And ryan pace handed go along with it. It sounds like i have a theory that the reason why ryan pace especially was brought back is because i think that the front office has a very specific plan for quarterback next year. That doesn't involve mitch trubisky so this leads into my question. We've had two former bears players on the podcast during the season we had Kyle orton and the vibe that i got from. Both of those guys is that there's sort of an organizational mentality within the bears that the defense will always be valued more than the offense. So do you think that the way that the bears can be fixed because it's been years on top years on top of years of the offense weighing down the defense and while the defense underperformed a little bit this year the offense did them no favours. So do you think that the right direction for the bears would be to. Maybe put all their eggs in one basket and trade for the shawn watson or completely changed their mentality at the quarterback position. Well i kept them all. I would keep mitch. Because i when you look at mitch numbers and that's what i'm trying to figure out. What are you valuate. Mitch on if you look at his numbers this year. From the standpoint of touchdowns the interceptions and completion percentage and you know he. He played winning football. I mean you know it's gonna be aaron rodgers absolutely not but if they're gonna get you the playoffs and now you gotta get into the playoffs. Now you run the football you play defense and you got a chance to go to the super bowl. That's my personal opinion. Okay but now. Here's the issue you're going to you know if you're let's say gonna make the trade for veteran quarterback because and this has to play into it. I mean george mccaskey's smart enough to know that the clock is running on that defense. They have in my opinion another year or two. And then it's going to be. Mac is going to be over the hump. You're going to have quinn. You're going to have to obey then. All of a sudden that they're they're they're an old group and their contracts are up and now you re starting from scratch right there. So you know i i i guess what i'm making the point is that you know if they want to get the most of this defense. They need to do it right now. A s a p and so. I think that's probably should've played into this decision. But now if you are. Let's throw out a veteran quarterback. If you're matt ryan and atlanta or matthew stafford detroit Are you gonna say you gonna pick the bears over the patriots because right now. No i mean and right now. The same thing with assistant coaches. I mean whoever this defensive coordinator coming in if they bring somebody in there not to give them a three year contract because it right. Now it's it's throughout the league the handwriting's on the wall. They have to win this year. Everybody's fired that's that's a tough spot. I very very tough. Spot for ryan. Pay matt nagy to be into it because there's a lot of jobs open. We're guys are starting from scratch. And they're not on the last year of their deal so i think you've gotta look at the coaching end of it. And you gotta look a veteran player. That might have two years left. Matthew stafford who's gonna give you the best chance to get a ring and that's where they're gonna go. Let me just say this about the defensive coordinator position dave. This is what i think. I think either they are going to promote from within and that would protect them with that one year window for nagy and pace or they're going to bring in a guy that they foresee as a possible future head coach and make him the defensive coordinator and him be somebody which would not be very comfortable position for matt nagy to be knowing that. That's a possibility so that that's just my two cents. Anyways i agree with your first spirit mean now will be nice. But i don't see the second thing doesn't sound realistic from a coaching standpoint. I if i'm the head coach. Matt nagy bringing someone in that capacity but i would be willing to bet i think the odds are that they promote within and they try to move forward. I mean that would keep the continuity with the players and so forth. and that's the big thing. I mean matt nagy i mean you know. He treats his players awful good. I mean there are some philosophers. And i'm sitting there listening to press conference and he talked about how the players stood up and talked in the locker room and the players did this and this player said this. And you know so he's I mean he gives these players an awful lot of credit and he's awful nice. He's guys. I will tell you that and you know i. I don't know how much fear i i and i hated it because i'm i love. I really like matinee as a person. I really respect him what he did this year up saying. I don't think i could have done yet. What i'm not gonna call defense is anymore. It's not worth. it's not working. But yet he he said if it's best for this team i'm gonna let somebody else call the plays well matt. You know if. I'm doing what i'm saying. That's why hard you now. You're many admitting that can't happen so You know. I just bad for the guy i truly do. But You know he's got a i would cut. And i'm i'm not gonna jump up and it all ties in with the perception i would've come to miller on monday and And who was young. I think because because they both admitted and i think matt admitted that on wednesday they showed the tape of whims slugging. That guy laugh game. They show taping this guy doing all his john or whatever he does and they and matt nagy specifically said this cannot happen. This will get us beep and then you have a player. Go out and does that. I don't know how the guy still wanna roster today. I mean. I you got these players. Got to know that. 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There's no visual scar invest of all. I m pain free. So ladies and guys don't walk around in pain. Like i did for years visit foot. I dot com and now back to dave wanstead. You mentioned how the defense next year's the year it has to happen with all the players aging so put yourself in bryant paces shoes. What were your focus beyond this offseason would be the offensive line or would it be refining the defense because there's so many players on the defensive end that brutally underperformed this past season. eddie jackson. danny. Trevathan robert quinn. So where should the focus be. Should it be on the offensive line. Which would presumably put a focus on the quarterback position or should the bears iskoe traditional. They have for the past however many decades and continue to put all their eggs in one basket to repeat the phrase but for the defense. Well i know i. I think we're going to be picking twentieth. probably i'm not sure what. The pecking order is somewhere in that neighborhood. So they're going to be able to get a heck of an offensive lineman a heck of a tackle or a heck of a receiver. And you know. I don't expect robinson to be back. Who knows about miller whims so they could use another receiver On offense and and be festively the one thing that encouraging me when a team hicks out and and you know and they were rotating some of those young defensive lineman. I think got some really good talented guys. We know eddie jackson's talented. You know so this talent on deepak. I'm not worried about the town on defense. They can line up and play. I would put the focus on offense probably in the offensive line. Probably receiver would be the two areas that i would look to see if we can get a guy that we can drive and he can command. Be a starter day. One dave take me into the front office when the general manager brings in players that do not live up to expectations whether it is mitch trubisky. Leonard floyd a she you know these guys the tight ends there. The twelve tight ends that they've had in the last two years when this happens. Where does the co collaboration began. They used that word a lot. And i i'm guessing that there was a lack of it. Maybe prior to this is it. We've failed to develop these players. Because leonard floyd goes and has a great year. This year the year he leaves Or is it a matter of bringing in guys that we missed the mark on their like what what are the conversations that they are having well. Yeah i mean obviously every personnel guy. And i think the way it should work and it's worth this way every place i've been we would never sign a guy we would never get into. Oh he didn't develop them or roy. I mean this guy doesn't have enough talent to play. You know what i mean. That's what you hear coaches say in some situations where were the personnel. People were saying you develop good enough. I don't. I don't think the bears operate that way. I hope not You know every place. I've been it's always been a decision. And the general manager would never want to sign a player that the coach didn't sign off on Because then he would have no chance no chance so. I gotta believe that everybody that they signed whether it was robert. Quinn jimmy graham. Whoever that you know that matt nagy signed off on these guys. I mean i so i don't see that being a problem with the bears i mean if it was I you know i. I don't know. Maybe i'm just going to their personalities but i just think that that both of these guys you know that they have agreed on all the decisions i it's just my gut feeling and i've never sat in a room and see how they they did it but Just my experience would tell you that. This doesn't seem to be the organization where you know bill polian and i'm gonna pick all the players and use a coaching. You go head coach them up. I don't see it being in that situation. I really don't so by the way is your good friends with chuck. Pagano was he forced out or was this his decision all along. You know what. I haven't talked. I texted him monday after the season. And just game. A little little encouraging talk there and And instead of being touching it and his response was that he was getting on a plane and the very near future and heading to tampa and he would We would connect sometime later this week and i have not talked to him so i don't i would say no i i don't think they would. I mean You know. I mean that defense. I mean you know when you look at. The offense was scoring sixteen points a game. Yeah i mean you got no chance and and remember talking to chuck though in the season and you know. I was saying he should be. Listen more and be more aggressive. Oh he's smart. He's been the head coach always gotta do is blitz. Once he gets a touchdown thrown on him. And now you're gonna lose the game you know so you gotta do things. They give the team the best chance to win and chuck for gano got that he really understood that. Because he's been a head coach before. And you brought up ted phillips and you're close with ted phillips you've known them for a long time take us into number one. What what's the reputation of the bears across the league when it comes to the front office. Do they need football mind. Instead of ted phillips do they need a football mind overseeing what ryan pace is doing what. What's the reputation across the league. And what do you think about them needing a football mind. No i can tell you. Ryan pace got a very good reputation. In my opinion. I haven't heard any negative stuff about ryan. Pace doesn't know anything about players The the the biggest criticism of ryan faces people like mitch. Trubisky a lot of people like mitch trubisky in the first round. And that's that's not the batabano my money. The the biggest criticism on ryan pace is that he was that sold on mitch that he would you know. Sell the farm draft. Pick wise and jump ahead of these other guys to get mitch trubisky. That's the only criticism. I here but as far as people saying. Oh no one ever like mitch. That that's not the case. That never was the case. So i i don't hear that back. The ted phillips you know. Ten is the present. When i was there now. Head was doing contract. When i was there but You know he's. He's in charge of the stadium. Cheese overseeing the stuff that goes on the stadium any contract marketing stuff. Any of the money stuff picked up on it all runs through ted. And he's got so much stuff on his plate. Trust me if he sees glaring things. There's outside noise about coaches. Gm's you know he's gonna bring up the mike and talk about it but he's not going in there saying we need to fire this culture. Gm he that's not his deal. Just really not do you think that. There's a heightened sense of risk in keeping nagy and pace especially pace. This is going to be what your sex ryan pace now. You're seven. I think how common it for people in positions decision making positions positions of power in an nfl front office to get this long of a leash when there really hasn't been too much success to show for it. Well they have gone to the playoffs two or three years however they got their you know. That's the beta bottle but So they're looking at that. And and you know matinee record i mean they like them i mean you you just you know i sound like i'm repeating myself here but the same things come to my mind you know. He has gone to the playoffs. He has won some games he has. He's got a good personality they like them. You know all of those things with the way. The bears run your organization. Say you know. Let's give this guy another year and see if he can make something happen. That's the bottom line. There's nothing really. There's no other way to look at this from the view that i'm from the chair that i'm sitting there dave. We really appreciate your time. Thank you the last question that from it. Sounds like you think that ryan pace is not going to make any desperation move knowing that they basically have bought one year to implement the plan and to fix it and they must have a plan in place that we don't know about that. They are very confident. In to have ted phillips and george mccaskey be on board with it right. Oh yeah. the quarterback thing is the key in and then they have to have a plan on what they're gonna do at quarterback and how they're going to use this quarterback. I mean to me you know george mccaskey's smart enough in a football guy. Now he would not take the next step and less. Both these guys elective league got together and said this is what we're gonna do. We can do this and this will work. that's it. Well that's dave wanstead you can. You can watch them on fox sports. Nfl kickoff sunday mornings during the season and also listened to him here in chicago on six seventy the score. Dave thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it. Enjoy your off season okay. Good and i'll do it again. Let me know okay. You got it thanks bye. You feel any better. After talking to coach wanstead not really not really to be honest. I mean it was good to see and hear how confident he is. Because i think that bears fans embarrass critics and bears writers as a whole are not very confident or are very pessimistic. Service kind of refreshing. Here's somebody that is confident and optimistic about the bears. But ultimately i just. I just hope that there's some sort of change with the roster with the coaching and with the way that the team is ran. Because it's been the same story for however long. I've watched the bears and that story has never ended with success. Do you have some predictions for us. Just start. I do first and foremost bears prediction. I'm going to say that mitchell. Trubisky will not be starting quarterback one next year. I know big prediction. But i do think that they're going to draft a quarterback wherever trade up or someone falls into their lap around the twenty s. I think we'll see a brand new rookie quarterback under center for the bears which is very very exciting for the nfl playoffs. I am going to predict and this is coming before the second round so this team loses. I'm sorry but. I think that the buffalo bills will play the green bay packers in the super bowl. I really don't see the packers losing up until super bowl. I love the bills matchup with the ravens on saturday. I think that's a team that they match up very well against and you know we'll see buffalo green bay super bowl be very exciting so i'm just going to call that right now. My third prediction is that ooh let me give this one. A little bit thought. Okay so yesterday. James harden was traded to brooklyn nets. I'm going to say that that won't be the only major trade with a superstar in the nba this year. This year is weird in the nba and there seems to be somewhat of a power shift in the league which is very exciting for the casual fan but very intriguing for the hardcore fan like myself. So i'm going to say that this year we're going to see another major superstar get dealt whether it be karl anthony towns in minnesota. They have just been absolutely horrible for his entire career Or ben simmons and philly. He has not been good this year. Bought again one of the most potential fill one of the players in the nba with the absolute highest ceiling. And if you could develop a jump shot he will easily be a hall of famer my opinion so i think that we see another big superstar. Get trade in the nba. Obviously james harden trade so shocking. Everyone's jaws on the ground. But i don't think that'll be. The only time that happens is here all right. I think our next episode. We're gonna do a recap of your predictions and see how you did this past year. I know all right. My final thoughts. Transparency it really says a lot about an organization a general manager team when they are not afraid to be transparent the cubs under theo epstein. Were very open about their plans to fans whether they liked it or not. They admitted when they were rebuilding. And when they were winning exactly what. The reason was for the winning and who needed to be better at what positions. When there wasn't any money they said so and they explained how they were going to get around that. They talked about their plans. So when a professional sports franchise and twenty twenty one keeps using catch phrases in a press conference and said of actually answering the questions. Well it's not just the media that gets frustrated. It's about the fans getting real answers. Is this a one year turnaround. Great a renew. My tickets is this three year. Okay let me decide instead. Talking around answers makes everyone question. Exactly what's going on and it adds to the negativity that surrounds the team. Why is it important to know a players contract status well because it affects signing free agents or the direction that a team might to take against the salary cap in the same sense. It's important to know when a front office or head coaches contract runs out. It tells you whether they might be in desperation mode or whether they have been tied to each other coach and general manager wind together lose together get rewarded together get paid together or you pay the price together. So the bears refusal to answer questions open and honestly leaves a sense of distrust in a time when our country only wants sports to make us feel good. Take us away from the serious issues surrounding our society. Don't play with fandom not fair answer. the question don't play games. Don't take fans to be fools. It's amazing when you're upfront and honest. 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AP Laboratory - Cap Talk with Chief Bearcat (Ep. 228)
"What's up everybody. Thanks for joining us today. My name's kid. Swanson businesses the ap laboratory and we got a special episode. Today we got a special guests and we'll get to him in the second. Who's not a special guests. Though is my dear pal. I found him on twitter at chief and carolina matthew lane. You're not that special. But i still like you i again. I think the second podcast in a row that i feel personally attacked off the introduction. I feel like i am special and maybe not a guest maybe a special co host. But i would like to receive more compliments when i'm being introduced yet. Let me show you how it's done. Now that is also joining us. As co host is the guy that invented created and designed the rover. He hand flew with the remote control to mars. Put it out there. He installed the video camera for all of us to see the renaissance man himself. Craig stout is here with us. Buddy i put you up on the pedestal. I set it up on a tee for you. How are you doing after a big successful space mission to that. Today was a day and it's a better day because our good pal. Chief bearcat is here. I'm not even acknowledging. Any of that are good pal. Cheap bearcats to talk salary cap. You guys have had a ton of cab questions going into this off season. We figure we bring him in early. Here get him talk about the cap a little bit and then as things come down the pipe. Maybe we'll have him back on dab discuss some of these structures and things like that bear avenue actually happened. The actually happen eventually. We'll talk to him about rice. Bearcat how are we doing buddy. I'm doing good boys how you doing. I'm doing great man is doing better before matty started talking. While we're just mattie might as well just li you had a day to day creek. I don't understand like you had a successful mission. Like how i like. Mads getting it from every angle right now bear bear. Your objective is to dunk on maddie at some point in the next not a single one that you could ever dunk. I'm sure i'm sure. I'll have plenty of opportunity to do. So yes so we will That doesn't count. That was good but that doesn't count all right so also sneakily guys this group of for here that that's talking right now dominant we would dominate a basketball tournament. The way all of us talk about our games. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure we could do some damage k. You commit to play basketball like everybody else. Okay that's a little bit too far. But i you know when i get hot i get hot all i'm gonna say all right. So here's what we we put some questions out or we put it request out for questions for cap related questions. If you don't know chief. Bearcat on twitter He is. I would say an expert at two things. The salary cap and smoking delicious meats and literally. This man is like my sensei when it comes to anything. I'm doing on my smoker. That i bought this summer and anytime we're having conversations about contracts. This is the man we turn to. He's a phenomenal fowler. Follow find him on twitter at chief underscore bearcats. You will not regret it So bear we had a ton of questions about the salary cap and we're just gonna run through them and we'll start with this because this is really the most important question ever the cheese. Twenty four has also known as jessie bates. And the reason. I call him jesse bates's and make sure calls real name out because we all miss. Jessie bates. football player is allen. Robinson even a real option given the suggested moves to get under the cap laid out by chief and carolina. Don't worry about what matt said like just disregard that is it. Is there moves that can be feasibly. Made that makes sense for this football team to bring alan robinson into the fold. Potentially i mean yeah. There are things that they could do. They could bring in our office. I mean as we go through some of these questions. I think we're probably going to lay out a pattern where we could possibly clear up to thirty million salary cap and four reference in the years past whenever they signed you know they signed hitchens and walk ins and one off season. I believe they had twenty nine million dollars in salary cap that year and then the year that they sign tire in and frank they went into that offseason with like twenty five million so it is definitely possibility that they could go out and sign a big name like alan robinson with the moves that they could possibly make this offseason without a doubt. I don't feel like my opinion even did here. So i'm not gonna add any context. Kent fine that's great. D johnston twenty nine. How would you structure a contract for allen robinson or another tier one or two free agent assuming that we do have limited cap space bear. Well the way that they would stretch was probably going to be the way that they structured about any large contracts that they've done in the past you know three or four years. They're going to have. Probably the first year cap hit be about half of what the annual ap elias so if a guy like alan robinson which he's probably gonna be anywhere from twenty to twenty five million ap y you're looking at. He's gonna be anywhere from a to eleven million in the first year cap have kansas city with typically structure. That being said barakat. Would you try to do things. Kind of br ve. Each special with the three year deal. He's done a lot of those three year deals lately. Ah gives him some flexibility to get out of things a little bit quicker or would you try and go the five-year stop like an anthony. Hitchens like a frank clark. I know that both of those players right now. A lot of people wanna get out from under those big contracts but it also is a player like that you could stick with patrick mahomes and spread out some of that capital farther. I mean there's positives and negatives of both sides of basically just mentioned it. The what the short year stuff i mean. Obviously we're getting around to where we're going to have to restructure tire and right now because the cap had so large in the had such a short window to move things around to get him in. We had a short small amount of cap space so with the large cap pits. I mean you have a little bit more into space things out. You don't have those big massive hits coming later on in the years whenever they're older so i mean there's different ways of looking at it i suppose my preference would probably be to go ahead and do something for five years but limit the amount of guaranteeing dead that she would have in the later seasons. Maybe not do what they did. The frank anthony when they had a very small cap hits early on which it was well under even the half of the api that we talked that. I just talked about franken. Anthony both were very very small cap. Hits in the first season. I my preference would make the first year cap a little bit bigger. So she wouldn't have as much guaranteed stuff going into later years in case something went wrong so i have a question if i have kids permission to get onto this podcast. Guess okay all right so my questions for bear. I don't care about what kenneth say about this there with the cat being lower this upcoming year than what was anticipated. You a couple years ago with this. It's going to be projected about one hundred and eighty five. Seems to be the number that a lot of people are throwing around right now with it being a little bit lower. What player like alan robinson. Who's the link twenty seven years old. He's going to be in line to get another contract relatively quickly. He's not a veteran. That's about at the end of the line. Would it make sense for him to sign a three or a five year deal and this offseason would he be better off trying to just play for a single season. Contract not approve a deal. He's obviously proven but to sign a one year deal and then hit the market again next year when you would assume the cap would be higher than the risk always with signing a one year contract is if the player gets hurt. I mean that's that's always the risk whenever you sign just a one year contract so it's going to be stability bay. Compared to no more money later on honestly. I think a lot of these teams are probably going to give a lot of these guys the same amount of money if they would get in any normal year especially whenever they're probably going to know what the amounts in dollar amounts are for the new. Tv deal there are the owners are going to have some comfort knowing what the new tv deal. Numbers are probably gonna before free agency starts so most of these teams are probably just going to structure a lot of these contracts with a small hit early on because of this year's cap situation in larger ones going into the future because they know that the caps going to go up pretty significantly because a new tv deals. So i think a lot of these guys are probably going to get the type of money. They would have been expecting anyways. It's just going to be structured a little bit differently car. We got this one from legion of zoom. If mitchell schwartz doesn't retire what should the chiefs do with his contract. This is a tough one. Because i'm a big mitch fan with mitch. If he does not retire. I just don't know how much you can trust his back. I the at real. You have two options you either just leave it alone because you've restructured that thing so many times when there's only one year left there's really not much you can do with it besides just asking him to take a pay cut and you've already done that wants so i'm not exactly certain that you can go back to him again and ask him to do it again. Yearly you either ride with him with the bad back at the current cap. It or you cutting. I mean that's that's your options. If you cutting. You're looking at saving about six million for me if you were if i were part of the chiefs getting to make this decision and mitchell schwartz came up to me and swore up and down. The he felt good enough to try to play. He was going to do everything he could to play. And i believed he would. He would have to sell me that he is ready to play football again because he just essentially watch third and fourth stringers. Go out there. Beat the heck out of his quarterback because he didn't feel good enough to play his back was injured for him to go out there and play. So i don't know why you would expect that to change without him. Having to sell me on it. I would have lee consider having to cut them just a utilize the money. The cap savings like bear sighting. It's all over six million dollars to go. Get six billion dollars is gonna get you a starting caliber player somewhere on your team. And if i'm spending six million dollars. I'm expecting to get a guy that's actually gonna play no matter what. I don't know how you can think you're getting a guy. That's gonna play for sixteen games for nineteen games out of mitchell schwartz unless something drastic exchange last year. Backs are no joke. Yeah they're not. There is one other option. I didn't say before. And i really hadn't thought about it. But they could put his current contract in two per game roster bonuses and they can basically put his money where his back is. I mean you'd get paid for the games that you played the barely played in games last year. So he's not going to be considered not likely to be earned with a majority of those the so they they could put that into per game roster bonuses the majority of his base salary and basically if he doesn't play then you're gonna get in next year's cap he wouldn't stay back and stuff like that and they would save some of this year's because it would be considered not likely to be your okay barrett. Low that that that is one. I one option that they could i really. I want you to quickly explain likely to be earned not likely to be earned on a contract. I don't know if everyone entirely knows what that means. So yeah maybe just kind of run. That real quick. That is a very smart observation by you on the mitch contract. Though basically with any incentive based contract there either considered likely to be earned or not likely to be earned and thereby Things are decided by what the last year's season was like so admits he played wasn't with a games that he played last year. I think he got. I think he had a few more than that. Because i think he played in the bills at the beginning of the bills game didn't he was out of whatever happened to be so basically what he played last year. They considered likely to be armed because he did that last season. Whatever he didn't play would be considered so the rest of the season that he didn't play would be considered not likely to be earned and therefore would not count against this year's cap so whatever the rauscher bonuses would be for that. Knock not likely to be earned. Timeframe would not count against this year's cap if he does play it it gets counted onto next year's cap so they would reduce next year's cap quite a bit but as we've talked about a little bit already we're going to have new. Tv deals and if spanner allowed back in the stands things ought to look a little bit better as far as the cap goes next year and another point of reference. I believe sammy. Watkins had some contracts are some some parts of his contract around the afc championship in the super bowl. Winning the super bowl. I believe was one of the incentives so that was likely to be earned in his contract. Correct so like they would be getting that money back right. I would have to go back and look at the new. Cba the old cba things like a champ the super bowl and stuff like that were usually automatically considered not likely to be okay. It's just it's just one of those. It's just one of those deals now. The new cba may not be like that. I have looked at it. That specifically that's kind of the way the old stuff used to be. Well there's my clarification there on that She's channel asks. What are the best options with releasing or restructuring. Eric fisher all right fish kind of falls into the same situation. As what mitch does i mean really in. Maybe even a little bit worse because basically no i mean unless someone tells me differently between now and you know a few weeks from now. Fish probably isn't gonna play next year. I mean the injury that he had and the timing of it. It's probably pretty unlikely. That eric fisher is going to play next year and it's his last year was contract so he's going to be thirty two years old as a free agent coming off of a torn achilles which is not exactly the best injury for someone to come back off of especially at a later age. It's going to be tough. Basically you have two options. I think if you're kansas city well you have more than two obsolete. Probably have three options. I guess you could either. If you feel comfortable with eric fisher going forward and you think he's gonna come back from this achilles injury fine. He's offensive lineman. He's not a position skill player. That's really depends on explosives explosiveness which is kind of what the achilles injury takes away from me. More than anything. You could extending. You could knock down this year's cap hip to adjust for that and just plan on having coming back for two thousand twenty two and go from there you can sign a one year guy to come in and be a villain you could or you could just cutting in cut bait move on. You're going to save about eleven point nine million dollars by doing that or you could go doing and say eric you mostly. We know you're not going to play this year. We don't want to catch you because you're earlier in the locker room and you've been here for a long time and you've been a good player for us so we would like for you to go ahead and take pay cut down to make it whatever you want to. League minimum can be more than what he is going to make on the street because no going to sign until he's healthy so they could get thrown a bone they're letting make a million plus a little bit of change in say ten million dollars instead of the levin point light now that may not be enough whatever it happens be but that's an option that is available to them. Yeah this sucks fish. It really does. And i don't think that this organization is going to do dirty. They love him. Andy reid especially loves eric fisher. And i think andy reid wants to do right by eric fisher but this is the business side of things and so. I think you're going to see a very tough decision. I think that that last option that bearcat discussed reducing that number basically doing emma solid not thrown him on the street. You know not doing all of that. Duma solid keeping him on the roster and then let's say he recovers a little bit quicker than you think you got him around you. You legitimately around for playoff stretch if you needed a an offensive lineman bot. That's a lot of money to comeback from and this cap is going down and they are going to need some of that money so fisher and his people are you know. Have every right to say. Listen i sign this contract. I'm i'm going to abide by this contract. Please pay me. Because i got hurt in the afc championship game helping you. Guys get to the super bowl for the second year in a row. Don't do me wrong here but again if there's an organization that can afford bad. Pr right now. It is the chiefs. So i it's going to be a delicate balancing act on that front this year. I'm very curious to see how that plays out all right. We are going to take a break. And we'll be back with more chief bearcat right after this support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket paid on your student. Loan treat yourself to those shoes. You benign with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who save with progressive and twenty nineteen hanging out with our dear pow on twitter at chief bearcat a salary cap aficionado. And i consider an expert on all this stuff. Chief bearcat Were a lot of your questions. Angry retainer asks do you li- are g. Think the chiefs. Convert any of chris jones roster bonus for cap relief. If so how much i mean they could with. Chris is that may be different. From pats. travis's. Christmas was on a short tour short term deal. Pats obviously was just ungodly long. That could do the full five years. Same a travis. They can do the full five years as far as switching over from the roster bonus to the signing bonus spreading that over the the maximum five years. Chris they have three years to work with. So you're looking at. They could say that they moved the entire roster bonus over they could save roughly thirteen point three million dollars. That could do a less amount to make sure that they don't have as much dead money. Going into future years the chiefs. They may seem to be making a conceited effort. Not to have a ton of dead money for chris jones in later years. Now that may or may not mean anything. But i mean it's there it's there at least consider so you at least think about it going forward if you think that they're planning on doing that right now. As far as taking that roster bonus moving that into signing bonus and creating dead cap into later years of the contract but i mean they could that could save a significant amount of money. But anyway with anything like that you're pushing data into later iverson. I mean that's a negative way. You look at it. yeah. I don't think i can speak too much. For where the chiefs feel right now but this move if they were to make it or not make it purely comes down to what the kind of long term plans are with chris jones and i think there was enough rumors last year swirling around about maybe the two sides not being seeing eye to eye and then when they contract out the fact that it was very specific it was very the goal was out there to make sure there wasn't any dead cap chris. Jones contract is one. That can't be moved. There's one that does not have dead cap tied to the end of it. I think it's just in case something changes from where we were at status quo was. We'll see i don't know if the chiefs i don't think this is a move the chiefs would make because i don't know if anything's changed since last offseason when they offered him they steal the that contract is definitely designed in a way. That could be looked at that. They were just trying to get one more year at a chris and make him happy while them being able to try to rent it back. I mean i'm not saying that. I'm necessarily wanted to be that but it you could look at it and say that this is the way that it was put together. So i mean it's something to consider right dylan. Dutton has another question about a defensive lineman that they've already restructured once he goes. They've got to restructure frank right that that deal with his production looks worse and worse every day. Well i think this is kind of getting into where people may be getting confused on the difference between restructure in doing brand new deal. Ask you for a pay cut and it seems to me like the gas in question wants frank to take a page. That's completely different than a restructure and to be honest with you. Kansas city has absolutely no leverage whatsoever. To ask frank clark to take. He has kind of guaranteed money left. They can't just cut him they he. They have nothing so he's gonna keep on taking the money that he had that he signed up for it because he should. I mean he they leveraged themselves very well not contract Now as far as the restructure goes i mean yes they can go ahead and move some of his base salary into signed bunnell and spread it out and save. Roughly around led a million dollars. They want to but same way as i just talked about kris jones. You're going to be pushing more dead money into later years. The contract i mean is that something that they're gonna wanna do. I mean that's if you as the question of their personality question don't think that he's earned the contract like you say you're not gonna wanna push that money into later years in pauvres dead money as far as when that players so i would say if you are happy with his production you would rather leave it alone and be able to get out of contract winter. Yeah alright oh sorry. I was going to just jump in real quick. Sorry i make this statement the chiefs the guys that they restructured. They get further into bed with her more. Committed to keeping around here and one of the flexibility to be so they they made determination last year rightly or wrongly that they wanted to get little farther into deeper into bed with craig with frank clark because they restructured the deal to move in. Kick some money down the road. Is that fair. I mean whenever they restructure a player. It's usually pretty decent there either in desperate dire straits or they really like the player. So i mean it's the same way with when they did with anthony. Hitchens everybody kinda up in arms and then like it blah blah blah. But we all kinda said you know that probably means they really like him as we'll be kind of found out this year whether they've actually said aloud as far as spags. They really liked the player. So i mean that's just kind of the ways you gotta look at it. Remember this everybody bearcat said it too. So it's not just me saying that this team like the if you are trying to get out of frank clark's contract which i'm not condoning for anything like that. Restructuring does it get you there in the quicker if anything. It probably needs that. He's playing it out. Which means that you would have to complain about his lack of production for another three years. Maybe that's what you're after. Maybe that's why he wants to complain about it. I don't know. But if you wanna do that i know. He's got a huge cap. Hit this year if you wanna get out of it quicker. You can't touch that because then you can get out of it next year. They said there's a rule of thumb. I always with restructures structures. You wanna do it with players. Who are young and who are healthy. So that's that's the thing you don't want it. We don't know that. There was an issue with frank klarna frank clark this year but we do know that he has a digestive tract problem. We knew that came out last year that he did. We also know that. Frank was on the lighter side this year. We put two and two together. Maybe that there was a problem. There who knows but i don't know that but it's always something that we kinda talked about a little bit read between the lines. I mean yeah. It's i don't know if you want to restructure a player who could have a health issue. No i think. I think that's entirely fair but i. I think that's just like a way you look at it as you know. It makes restructuring contracts makes it harder to cut guys down the road and i think that's like an easy way to kind of when when the team says i when the team makes a restructure move with a player they're they're committing more of that player. I just hope the team. The chiefs committed mortar. Frank clark rightly or wrongly because they committed more to him and it was not the this year was not as good as it was the year prior or it was a down year for sure so he's either got to make up for it or you know. Brett visa have some split into do couple players. I just wanted to ask you a quick about players that they could restructure and one of the i think these do they have no worries whatsoever about committing to a little bit longer Or deeper patrick mahomes could restructure. I mean that feels like the contract was built so that they could pull that lever basically any time. They wanted right. Yeah that contract specifically designed for maximum flexibility all the way through it Ms pretty obvious with the way that they put it because he has not normal contract in any way shape or form that that was pretty creative the way they put it together they could create round seventeen point three million dollars just with patrick mahomes contract so i mean whenever we're looking at a tweet today where they could be at eighteen point. Four million dollars in the hole is kind of where they look. They're standing right this second. They can basically get themselves right up to the positive right at zero with gis patrick's contract. So i mean that's the big fish in this whole equation. Is patrick mahomes contract in basically. It's super easy to do. my guess. Is they probably had a built into the contract where they can just do it. Automatically without even asking him to do it. They will just convert the roster bonus to signing bonus. He gets all the money up front just like he would of no matter what. It just helps team as far as the salary cap ios. And that's all i was gonna ask. I was just gonna ask you. Would there be any reason. This would upset. Patrick mahomes because if not this seems like the most obvious move that should add this offseason. Yeah it's exactly the same. I mean whenever you talk about the signing bonus being split out over you know five years or the length of the or whatever remains of the contracts less than that that's just an accounting thing. They actually get the full amount of money right up front just like they normally would have. How many times can they do this. This pull the trigger. Pull pull the lever on the mahomes deal like it's not something that can just do. Every single year really can they. I mean they will the nath work on it. Like i mean just long-term will like i mean what's the what's the biggest year cap hit if they continue to pull that lever doesn't matter it's patrick mahomes. I'm not yeah. I'm just curious fascinated. I mean they. Basically i mean they could if they wanted to definitely could just go ahead and convert it over to signing bonus and i imagine that they probably will her early on in the contract. I imagine probably the first couple of seasons. They will probably go ahead and do that. It's going to be just kind of that. Get out of jail free card for them basically or if they ever have any type of salary cap issues you see this a lot with quarterbacks we've seen it with drew brees you've seen with aaron rodgers all of these big contracts put out there. They usually at some point in time the base or something like that gets converted into signing bonus in it gets split out it just kinda. The way is just standard operating procedure. Whenever you have a really good quarterback that she plan on keeping her out. Do you think this is a good year to pull that trigger then just because of the nature of what's going on. Yeah you have to. It's it's not. I i would say that this year next year for sure will happen. I add they will both be done this year next year. I think it they will think it happens. You think happens in the next two years back to back years. Yeah hadn't they will for sure in the next two years it justice interesting. Okay travis travis kelsey. I have a question about travis kelsey to unless you else more about in the homes. Not we're travis kelsey. That was another one. you know. that's another way you could potentially move money around. How much cap space could they attain for. Twenty twenty one. If they decided to to restructure. Travis kelsey with travis. He has a smaller roster bonus ended. Any has a larger bay salary. So if they moved the base salary over an some ryan the roster bonus say could save roughly about eight. And a half million dollars now with travis. You're kind of looking at the same thing as you was with. Chris jones except for one minor discrepancy they. They seemed to mega conceited effort. Not to have a bunch of dead cap. Going to future years so travis. Big difference between the two is travis's on five years chris's on three years. So that split out a little bit more and i don't think anybody really believes travis. Kelce his own anywhere. i mean. I think he's probably the second most secure player on the entire team to be honest with you other than patrick mahomes. He's probably going to be here until he decides to retire. So i mean. I would say as far as most likely to be restructured after pat. He's second most likely to be restructured after that. Yeah that's all. I was going to say as well like this one. Seems like a no brainer. Em patrick mahomes seemed like a no brainer. They saved so much money between the two of them as well like those two moves alone. Get you get you to where you need to be. Four twenty twenty one. And you're keeping guys that want to be here love to be here. The coaching staff love like the. Those are no brainer moves to me. No doubt about it. Right copay oh to asks. Why aren't more people discussing tyreek hill as a guy who the chiefs could restructure or extend. Seems like there's some space we could save with him and extend him onto into his early thirties. Okay now they're definitely people that are discussing it. I know you guys talked about it. I've talked about it with you guys in private. Oh yeah so. The there are some people that are out there. That are doing it. In fact i went to the point. That i kind of worked up what i would see a contract looking like four tyreek hill in an extension situation Now i'm not gonna get into detail on that basically roughly. You're looking at you know extending him for. I think i had it for was for three years and that new three year contract wouldn't make him the second highest paid wide receiver in the league. So it's going to be something that he would like. Obviously because he's going to be right up there at the honor hopkins and they would have saved. Roughly this year around. Six million dollars is what it would end up beings way ahead structured. Now we'll say tyreek hill is on an exceptionally good contract for the candidate. Shapes right now yes. It's a fifty million cap that right now but with the type of production. That tyreek hill has been giving us in. I think a lot of people unleash chiefs fans believe that. He's a top two or three wide receiver in the league. The contract that he is on is exceptionally good. So the team may not wanna touch that sucker. So that's something to keep in mind but if you're Nephew wanted make sure to lock him up until you know he's thirty one thirty two years old whenever you would think a player like him may start to drop off because of the speed drop off you would be able to save a record at around six million maybe a little bit more if they want to structure a little bit more aggressively. Would i think that's why you probably don't have as many people think it's talked about or really. A thing is because he is going to be the sixth highest paid receiver. This year in terms of capita this is before robinson signs for absolutely more this and maybe another free agent or two but he is on a very good deal right now. The chiefs are getting quite the bargain with him but his bare said you can extend him you keep them around longer because i mean he like we talked about earlier when you're talking about what extensions mean he's younger player. That's been healthy. He's going to be part of your team. It makes sense to keep him around for a long time to tie yourself with him for a longer period of time. Now the only hold up that. I think that no. I don't have a hold up at all. I think the moral of the story is this people. Look at the chiefs cap situation and they. There's not a lot of guys that they can cut to save money. And i think that gets people a little worried. But i think what we're seeing here as we work through this with bear who has can't set topless is an expert. The cap top of the line should have a job at the nfl. Handling the maybe. Craig kid pull. Some strings uses aerospace magic and get him a job somewhere. Something that what we're saying is that she added a lot of guys that they wanna keep around or that have money that can be moved around their contracts to create cat's face the chiefs aren't going to be as strapped as it looks when you first look at it on paper. Tyreek hill is just another move. That is available. I have another question for you. Bear tyronn matthew another guy that you know that could be means. He's on the final year of his deal. I believe is capital around nineteen million dollars this year. There's means maybe. Potentially you know. Extend him and i think that's probably the likely move right. Yeah i i would say that is if you wanna talk about things that are i would say are certain to happen. In as far as in order. I think pat is obviously restructuring. Pats number one. That's the easiest sign on the planet to do. They're going to do that number. Two is probably an extension for tire. Matthew i he is by far and away the probably the best player in my opinion best player on that defense and i don't think a lot of people are going to argue with that you're looking at is definitely the leader of that defense and spags loves. He kinda makes that defense whenever it's running. Well he's the reason why so it's going to be pretty easy to say let's go ahead extended especially when you consider the fact that the nineteen million dollar cap hit this year. I did put together another contract for him as well. Basically wedding win make him is the highest paid safety right now so obviously that would make him happy in. I think it was on a four year extension if i remember correctly and it was going to save roughly ten million dollars. This year is what it would be. So that would be a large cap savings for the season in your managed to keep a player around. And i don't think that anybody in the league is going to argue against paying tyrant matthew the top safety contract in the league this is. This is two years in a row. Now that you've seen him stay healthy that you've seen him play at the top of his game and steve signals defense revolves around him. It revolves around making him the chess piece making him. The guy that takes away the things that the that the offense really wants to do. It is paramount that this team is able to go in extend tire. And matt you in keep him here if you expect this defense to keep going with the sort of continuity that they have over the past two years like listen you want this defense to grow. You wanted to get better tire. And matthew is the key ingredient to doing that and yet her said he. He's saying thousand nineteen million dollars just makes sense go on at a couple more years to that. Knocked those numbers down. Make him happy. Make the chiefs cab situation happy and keep a guy around that you need to keep around for a longer time. Okay bear a month. We're going to close. We're going to close the questions on this late and why asked what is realistically the most the most cap. The chiefs can clear this year without ruining the salary cap for the years to come. I you can answer that question. That i also just kinda wanna. I'm just kinda curious. Just how much do you think the chiefs end up with in inflict like how much. How much space do they have to spend in free agency this year. I guess is really my question. So let's just take what we think is likely. Let's look pat kelsey doing something with fish. Let's say they do the restructure with fish. So i i said ten million. Let's do they're going to do something with niche less. I don't know what they're gonna do say he retires. I don't know that but i must say retires. That's basically the same savings is what it would be if he was cut so around six million dollars and then let's go ahead and say that they restructure badger and hill like we just talked about those moves right there with put kansas city at roth lee. Thirty nine million dollars in cap space thirty nine million dollars are we cutting. Are we cutting cutting damian. Williams has not counting damian williams damien williams. Would i think he's savings is right around two million dollars a little bit less. Probably one hundred million and a half of thank so no but that's that's chump change. I don't really even put that into my figures but now that's a pretty large number that's larger number than what they have went into these other free agency period slight to discuss thirty million and twenty five million in those two years that we spent a lot of money. And that's not even counting the hundred seventy seven dollars that we went into that they signed those gigantic contracts last year so now there was moves that they made last year to make that happen. Let's keep that in mind but people talk like that that's craziness that they pull that off. There was a lot of news at a lot of us expected in the do that. They did that year right to make it happen so thirty. They may not they may not move all of chelsea's contract in two on so they may not have as much dead cap going into future years. Like i just talked about you know. They may decide to structure badger hill. A little bit different where they don't have as much dead money for those guys in later years of those contracts so i mean it may not be the thirty nine million that i just spoke up but i think they could easily clear like talked about at the very beginning around. Thirty million dollars will be pretty comfortable. And that's kind of goes with the this guy asks you know without ruining future years into that salary cap. They could move less money into later years and still save enough to have enough money to play with to go out and get you know one or two higher in contracts now people gotta keep in mind that the salary cap is not the only thing that goes into this cash spending also a major thing so that's basically the money that goes out that the team pace kansas city right now is ranked third in the league in cash spending for two thousand twenty one now that can change pretty drastically if they do something with fish in mitch as their base salaries they could drop that all the way down the nine if they did something with them so there are things that they can do to lower their cash. Spending is supposed to be for two thousand and twenty one and that does not include. Keep in mind. The new free agent signings at some of these other teams are gonna spend on so kansas city. Probably won't be really super high. Once free is over with but it's something to keep in mind now known years pass. We always used to joke in everybody us laugh about the clarks. They never want to spend any money. The clark's have spent a lot of money. Kansas city. Kansas city is typically especially san sandy. Reid has been there in the top three or four cash spending every single year. They have spent money. Clark seems to want to wind. I don't think that's probably going to change. I would say that there are cash. Spendings probably going to be right up there again this year and i would say if there's a player that they wanna go get and they think it's going to improve. This team clark's crowd. They're going to give them the old go ahead. And they're going to go for so alan robinson's come into kansas city. Was basically what. I you heard it from barely over band. We'll share with the chiefs per bear. I will say that. I think it is more likely to happen now than what i would have say a month ago now. I'm not saying it's going to happen. But i definitely think it's more likely to happen now. What i would have the at the end of the regular season. So alan robinson's services are likely to be earned. So i mean the guys that. I think that i would rather have than allen robinson but you can. You can convince me that allen robinson would be the way to go well. Y'all gonna. i'm going to edit that last part. Yeah no bear. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. It was fun to take the dmz and put them out here in the world. That's essentially what just happened. Actually honestly we don't really talk about the capital that much. It's mostly not really but you know this is these are the guy we come to when we have these questions so really appreciate my friend. Thanks thanks for jumping on with us. Yep no problem no problem at all anytime you guys need me. I'm here all right. Well that is going to do it. For the ap laboratory. A special bear bear cat edition. Thank you guys so much for listening. We'll catch you later. we love you mattie.
LOGAN PAUL SPEAKS ON GOING BROKE AND THE DEATH OF MAVERICK - IMPAULSIVE EP. 103
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I don't think I did do I don't think I did here's what I presume. I have of two theories one. My dogs. They're disgusting. Ginger is always rolling around in the lake then poop and then ray ray avidly consumes fecal matter. How does one actually get Pinkai? I would say that relax defend them. You Rob your eyes and stuff like basically if a little piece of poop or or looking at a mark yes there is you'll get pink eye yeah and so usually it's from some sort of activity but logan has a theory that it's from gingers booty just rubbing on her booty. I Oh maybe I think she lays on my pillow and then I lay on my pillow and get the pink eye and I mean here's why it's a big deal again. We have so much to talk about but I I meant. I brought it up in a in a Fox business interview which I can't wait to hear your take on it as my manager managers by the way this manager Geoff let's go. Let's go one by one can we. Can we break this down one. 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Okay we men and the producer and the producer what's going on. You know what this is fine because this is a he's an episode. I want to clear some stuff. WanNa get a little deep bro. I want to get maybe vulnerable so maybe the less people the better when you say this is fine. It reminds me my favorite mean where the dogs in the burning lame shooting knows you explain why they were why we're halfway halfway wearing this. This is US right now. Favorite this is fine. What's the name of this cartoon again? No there's a cartoon and this is a famous cartoon. This is you at the Fox News. Yes I want to explain why okay what now let's. Let's I'll get one by one I as I said. Can we clear the Hoodie up because I will wearing. It's not even on but it's it's interesting missing one. We're all wearing the original maverick hoodies. You may have heard the news if you so my logger my instagram the iconic maverick the pair has passed away by passed away. I mean he was eaten by my massive who missed her palm for small rubber chicken she. She's six months old. She's she's just a huge dog doesn't quite know the difference between anything in anything exhibit A.. She's been tearing up my Gucci Slides when I'm gone she. She eats everything that I owned. These are the ones he's wearing right now the new ones because she choose to like these shoes are what how much he's probably four dollars retail six six hundred twelve hundred bucks out the Wazoo gone and you know it gets worse. Here's my passport earn pass my new passport. I had to as you going away. She she three days so we have to go. Get the <hes>. What is it the expedited day of same day? You WanNa hear the good news. Now Danny tell you there's no good news. You have to go there on Friday and priestly sit there all day. Oh sorry John I still could be there for <hes>. She told me but yeah tell me what's what's really fucking goods. Injure how many things you need to tear up and chew up and including maverick the parrot like the bird who has been with me since before I started before I started any internet stuff. It really does break my heart because he was so much more than a bird obviously like literally we we made him are brandon. He flew with us. He flew with us in our journey. We rallied around him as a community and activated what it meant to be a maverick when I was in Sweden the amount of people doing this when I when I pass them on the street or you'll let's do the math stable and pictures iconic the end the maverick all because this little fucking son con your parrot and again while while I was away saint same as last time with Kong he died died man via murder and it just like what's so funny via murder like he did die via I know but I like the term via too but I feel like homicides a little the dog. It's a puppy the good the one good thing about it is that the pillow hello guy had already pillow sized him so he was. We already have the pillow like we didn't have to go and have that made by the way. Where are you gonNA put that? I don't know but it's it's to be honest with you. I'm reaching appointment. I don't know how how to handle anymore. I don't know how to deal with this. I it was cong- incredibly depressing incredibly sad all of us miss him every day and now maverick <hes> and the worst part about this quite honestly. I know Mike is Ecstatic. I know you are I know you are before before before I left for Sweden. I caught him in the kitchen going like this to the wall. I don't know man. He just flew away what I don't. I L. I. Practicing why this is really messed up I knew he was there obviously news what he was walking over so I was on sorry man. I don't know how to say it. I guess you just flew away. Sorry man. I don't know how to say what I'll tell you what bothers bothers me is not really the word. Have you ever had a a cement mixer like a pet cement mixer okay and inside that cement mixer you put in hundreds of thousands ends of alarm clocks okay and every morning at around six forty five the cement mixer starts at churn up those alarm clocks okay and it sounds kind of like this okay and you just adore over her and you've been working the night shift or whatever you've been doing had a rough night or rough day plug right and all of a sudden you've got a god Dang nuclear arsenal exploding in your eardrums every day that set please don't do I won't that said Great Bird huge fan awesome great brand. Okay some the hardest news as you saw the blog that I've ever had to break for someone that was really hard for you. tried to butter me up. I saw what you did there. You try to what's it when you say like to call tactic. It's attack and silicon silicon phone calls is that your phone calls causes. My phone rings double. Yes I tried to do a what's the word where you put out something that you do something else I switch as rockies locked up this really quick and I was hoping it would also wanted to make him feel better by making them laugh the fans of taken to my instagram into my twitter accounts they're. They're not quite very happy with me right now. Because of the way that explain the situation but as we know I do enjoy making can you laugh and making sure that you're not sad and I think what I was trying to do is make you not sad. You're thousands of miles away. I couldn't give you a big hug couldn't give you all handshake and I wanted to make you laugh I also I want to heart back on it very much but we'll you're already laugh at things that are made me feel uncomfortable. Sometimes I noticed my stomach falling into that track like I know I do but I really felt it with this. One being like super like hyper aware of the situation and quite honestly is as healthy. They are unhealthy as this is wherever you WANNA call. It's just like my coping mechanisms like I saw in by the way I have a problem with people telling me that it's not okay I agree you know what I'm saying. who were you to tell me how to deal with the death of my best friend for the past seven years you know and like my grandmother she like she's been very open? She's like when I like. A lot of people don't want you to be like to cry and be upset. They want you like she's go out. Get a bottle. Get a pizza celebrate my light of AW huge jokester if you've ever seen the stuff he says when he talks it's usually on mogens mom. What else is a lot of drug related girls look? He's a fucking savage but also man I got. I got a confession profession to me that he actually was a him talking Hayden Redo the subtitles yeah I know I know you got me. A different tank your grammy different shirt. I've no longer feel the need to support this. Are you serious and now bro The dissonant turbo. He's not able to tie for a really have any sort of stream of consciousness because of mainly him being a bird now is really not able to able to have any kind of stream of conscious either just because or do we know that he got your by typing that sucks it really does. He was a great bird. He had a long life. Some say almost almost got away a long time ago many almost before before I started vine he did fly away once I walked outside with him on my shoulder and I and I forgot that we had not clipped his wings and I thought he was his loyalty was prime and it wasn't I made it about twenty yards away from the House and my dad was like logging maverick. I was like he's fine like me. The delusional optimus five hi off be lines towards my dad. I'm like this is great. He's going to my family member my my father and about halfway halfway to my dad just ninety degree angle curves right up direct vertical in the air the three hundred feet in about two seconds. I I didn't know he could fly that fast because all he does this fly around the house and it goes back in his cage yeah exactly so I had no idea that he was capable of speeds and he flew away he was about half mile away. We chased Jason as some chased him and then you know maverick Amir Shaking Food Adam which by like for a dog. He's not a dog is he's a good we never taught him. The come here trick so he doesn't WanNa doing and occasionally here and I'm like fuck. Luckily it was fall so after about twenty minutes mavericks not moving you can see him way up on the East Coast and yeah there's leaves very visible the tree branches you could see everything so I'm like fuck so I throw a stick near him and it hits a branch near scares them flies away. If you've ever lose a bird this what you do scares them. Flies away flies about maybe quarter mile through the woods whatever so we're chasing chasing chasing him and then if they're another stick then flies a tenth of a mile and each time I throw a stick near him he gets he flies a little less of a distance and I notice he's dropping because this motherfucker has no endurance. He has no endurance he only flies around the house when I'm like you and around through the case exactly exact or the mile of Challenger Games. I'm not running for this endurance actually I I cook a five thirty if I felt like but so I keep keep throwing sticks and eventually gets low enough. I grabbed me by the Shit I walk. He's he's pierced the fingers of so many of my friends my ear none of my all my friends are wishing me condolences none of them really no one likes maverick and accept me. He was great because he was my homie. He he had my back when anyone would walk in the room he go and attack their heads so should only defense mechanism was to duck because he won't fly down. I gotta dropping to the ground. I would just drop just walk in the room like this. I started using large stick nick one of the things I'd heard from them or Hayden I guess was I'm here for a long. I'm here for a good time not a longtime. He said Oh he did say okay trae clear. I think it might have been one of the days before he passed. I think yes and he had a great law yeah if that was his mom. I'M NOT GONNA lie though they loved him. The where this is tricky for me is like I love Ginger Ginger. The giant are are massive. That unfortunately killed maverick. I love her and she's so clueless like she had no idea what she was doing but I don't know how to like discipline her. I don't know what to do or how to treat or to act towards her because while I love her she killed the thing I love most train some training and some some experts would help like what if my what is my mother Jake like. Do I still love my mom. That's crazy. Do I probably probably probably though that's probably not that's pretty mad at question was not expecting like who knows us. I mean it's the same way how girls were Ted Bundy like Yo Ted Bundy Sahadi Dude but like he's fucking killing people sort of like why we're all the people in his courtroom swooning girls swimming girls they like. I don't know he just seems so mysterious. It's like what's good. He's the one boggles swooning girl mixed up the garden. He jumped out the window member. That's Casper Aspen Yeah Dude Anyway. I mean it's all sad it sucks you can tell my mood is melancholy which is kind of. I wish I was a little more fired up today. I'M NOT GONNA lie. It's also this fucking paint guy. It affects it affects my whole body. Yes my no. I have nasal drip because he has shit inside. Your Body. Remind place original scientific term is shittiest ice and they seem to from the Latin Force when it came to America the pink which you know what I thought it was originally from you. Were there that night that we just said Dude I I haven't I haven't smoked weed in eight months since November flatter conference when I fell flat on my face and passed out I and I remember that slack what makes a lot of good things and so and so for that reason I've always been paranoid to smoke weed and the other night I was the perfect balance silence of like exhausted still wanted to go out and I was like fuck. Let's do David the German supply with edible because I was like I want to be relaxed and go fuck around and so I did edibles insure enough God hi a whistle. My eyes are dehydrated. Reddish Shit y'all was good and we go to the Beach Santa Monica Whistle so high because the note we went to Santa Monica so you were in America so we went to Santa Monica Beach and by the way we didn't know like I didn't know how he was going to. He was going to handle the edibles. I know that he should not be going anywhere near psychoactive I tried I slap drugs drugs. In general I learnt with drugs at all. It's something I know about myself. There is I. It's which is why I don't do drugs. I can't be Connie because everybody thinks she did cocaine famer long pack sorry there's a lot going on so they all walk out on the beach. I tried to get David not to give them to him. I didn't take them because I I was IDA hidden agenda. I wanted to get right to Santa Monica which was closer to the club because obviously like other which clubs I was trying to go to hide for a little bit right. It's a great club are it was Friday night and there were let's go to a silent discount and talk to other vegans that are just like us yeah well. That's important information. We went to the beach and stumbled upon a bunch of people with headphones like this. That's cool watch. This is what we saw. When we walked we go before we go what the fuck is happening and Coachella yeah? We've what we've all done what I've heard about them. I've never done ever seen I've never seen June joy. Hold on and then I go. This is incredible. What are the chances? Is We stumble across our first silent disco and the headphones had channels on each with a different type of music on the T._v.. Is really wants to blue so they are some. There's three D._J.'s all different color interesting how we pay the five bucks for the headphone awesome and here I am hi his mind you I haven't been hired. Don't take a while to kick in and it was like two took a little time to get there and also I do want to mention this to the time point. We saw the sound disco on what we're walking over. It took everyone in the group about four minutes to walk from the parking lot to the silent disco area it took Logan Thirty five minutes roughly kids what our stock to the ground every step of he took it looked like you stepping into Dixon House taking steps and I'm like Oh Logan like yet his hood up thought out no no and my hamstring was like a little tender and walking on sand was uneven inside yes so I was walking real so finally we get the silently disco. It's on it's on a board like would and it was on the boardwalk. We all put these on it. I just want to paint the picture imagine a first first time you ever go to a silent disco your high for the first time in eight months brother brother. I was losing my mind. We have video. I WANNA show I really don't WanNa dance. All of us was an idiom rave. Just losing our mind love. Who's going the hardest this Guy Mike? I haven't seen Mike move that fast. Why what happens is super sober I think I I was just like hanging out and like I get amped when the music is in my ear like that core like I just I can't and so I would just grinding groove and go nuts out surrounded by the people I loved working in a great place and it was just dude? There's just a home so we ask. We're just getting it and I found it ironic. Actually the first day we remove all the fifty thousand pounds of sand from our backyard from the Logan's Luau we were moved. The beach from our backyard is the one day we go to the beach by the way we never ever do none of it. We never go to the beach which was definitely ironic. I said I say the video I left by the way I went to hide and sorry I went to Warwick and he went he came home and I came back with like eight girls okay and usually what I do. Is I on the way back to the house. I mark the hottest one and I say this one's gone because Logan's going to take pictures. I don't know how to answer what you just said to me. How do you mark mark the mental mental Texan but he goes no he takes a picture of the whole? It's not me circles Spencer. You're being quite worked. Okay let me finish this so so I'm mark the mentally and I say to myself okay. This girls gone. 'cause Logan's GonNa take. You'RE GONNA come matter how interested she is in me. She's going to see this broad. Go well. Sometimes it switches up but for the most part I say okay. Let the rich kid ever so then we all come here and the hottest well shit. I got to be careful because they're gonNA watch us so we come here and I see him and he's like I'm like y'all got girls and he's like this. This girl talk by the way of four of them completely naked right now getting in the hot tub which by the way that weird that happens sometimes quite a bit right and Logan's like do now but sometimes turtles swim and I'm like okay so obviously you're not part of the activities tonight and he's like I I tried. I think I'M GONNA go up bad now. Did you get the marked one. I had an incredible. This is more nightshift talk. I'm not going to get to deepen it but I think credible evening awesome Clark until eight thirty A._M.. I don't think you're the marked one I didn't because he came up to me and she oh my oh I can't buy I was going up the stairs to go to bed. Because at this point I had I had attempted to talk to one not even like a trotted sleep. We just had attempted to speak with her and I couldn't. She's like how are you how're you. That's I have high if someone ask me questions holiday the last word back to them as my logan what he wanted to do all night so I'm halfway up the stairs and this girl she kind of attain roques bro She comes up. She's like hey. Where are you going to turn around beaming interface? Somehow go your beautiful. She's like wow. What's your name House like your name and as she goes what you doing? What are you going upstairs for? I was like I'm just going to go to sleep and she's like well. I don't go out often and this is my first time going out in three months and I wanted to have a good time tonight and hopefully leave. Maybe you could hang out with us and I was like hanging out with us and I walked over and she was like is your normal. Yes tonight. It's Oz like you so key but yet things down going to go to sleep and this super super like freaky. I'll be honest like I normally when big up a night. 'cause like shit happens in L._A.. Every night but like you miss a kind of cool night. I know you told me that also also though it's one of those take this lesson kids. It's one of those where there was no other way unfortunately that night there is no like rally or push through the high. I couldn't do it so rewind for a second. The next day at everyone knows edibles bleed into the next day <music> our hours on the next day still woke up and I'm like and so I put on my agenda I go. I'm going to New York in two days today. I'm GonNa do absolutely absolutely nothing. That was the one goal of the day. I wanted to do absolutely nothing. has anyone ever done this. I've done it. Maybe a handful of times in my life like literally lay not doing the whole day. Yes it is so underrated like take these days every once in a while and don't do anything you want to do and it was one of the greatest days in my left so on the walkout to me laying outside like this on the beach. What are you doing logo Geico nothing that was the day we all floated around on the tube do nothing at one point I took it nap and I woke up and I was just laying there naked in my bed because that's how I burn real hot all the time temperature and Logan came in when he's in his underwear and he goes move over and I'm like I really WanNa do that man and he was like no move over now? I think just like bad Hasbro like sleepover Sam by the way quick know about that. You laid down soundbite. It's a huge bed so we've like five feet between us. You got on your phone. I got on my phone didn't say one word y'all because I was just trying to down here. My boy do nothing like I just wanted to be near my boy and do nothing are you. Do you want to do not for you doing nothing what I found on that day was I found time that day to actually do nothing in that meant putting the phone down because when you're doing nothing on your phone. Are you still doing nothing. I don't think so you're scrolling. The only time I ever ever find any space anytime free myself self from either negative thoughts or like finally positive balancing. My brain is when I actually put my phone agree. I put my phone down. I find some space I say oh wow I looked around and there's more to this life than this little square screen. There's trees all kinds of skies and stuff you know and I look around. There's organise death like I if the life in the square screen bro what if this is like that's what I've started. We're in we're side. We are cyborgs literally. I am now because I have a red fucking I. I think it's right so I had blamed. I got pink eye the next day after the high day and I had blamed the pink I originally on the edible I think the edibles gave me because it stayed Red and stayed always like semi shut. I did a whole media press day in New York like this and I made it very evident on on things Fox business that I actually I do know how would I shall. We should we go to that now because I I wanNA talk about one thing I can you read my last Google search really quick. <hes> can dogs eat toast. lasser probably can explain why wheat bread is generally saved for dogs eat provided. They don't have allergies. That's good so okay so when I was high like the right down my thoughts when I'm in a altered state of consciousness so I I wrote down when I'm high love this possible book question Mark Possible Book when I'm high the first thing is the answer. Every question asked is the last word of the question go in Logan Logan. You didn't even when I'm high. I fear Satan. She's scared to say. I don't know I'm terrified of him. He's like when you're high it only one oh hi I'm like Oh my God when I'm hi friends do amazing things like when Mike was Dancing. I was like this is amazing. This amazing Spencer just sprinted straight towards the ocean and then went in it amazing music this amazing when I'm high I scream my assistant's name always like at Santa Monica Beach. She's nowhere to be seen. I don't think he wasn't with you because you had sane in issue. I don't know you look at Brawley at the vet because Oh hound dog burly hopped up on the table he could suv some thinks he shouldn't have like like the whole bowl of stuff like pasta and plastic and things like everything's to Barf in that that was like yeah what what's going on here. Is Your House or at the coral cafes. He's he's a garbage disposal for dogs and by the way thanks Dan. You saved his life. Not when I'm high I feel bad for penguins and here's why here's why we're at the beach and I'm waddling around in the Sandy. I go this is fucking hard mentioned being a penguin waddling around the hurt hashing anyways by microsiping high sleeping people just hotdogs saw these people at the beach cover up and blankets so true and I'm like you're just a hot data so true frankfurter because there's luckily you weren't hungry at the time this really know if you think about this really no difference between the two like between sweets leaving person hobbles hotdog nothing. Hi Hebrew National Water is life. I remember someone gave me a sip of water. I was about to make out with them. I the water is the most important thing mouth gets so dry and as long as you keep shit moist. You're going to be good to go yup. When I'm high? I wear my seatbelt. That's all I got does the things you just said in any way why Siri doing that. Do you know it's crazy bro. You get distracted by things that like known whatever know about and you choose to accidentally hit the Siri Button and she came up modular. Do do things that does that. Stop you from wanting to get high because your brain does like makes you fear seat. I don't do it. It's not for me every time I do. I go oh. What the fuck am I doing? Why won't do it often? It's not when he knew I feel like it's sometimes my conscience talking to me like a little bit of like Yo stuff that I don't want to think about. I don't want to hear and it's like damn maybe into by the way let's not get into reefer madness film fifty two here okay great drugs has a lot of a lot of positive benefits that said it is a drug and so like certain people I think react to a differently like it just has not when I was when I was sixteen seventeen eighteen eighteen thousand nine hundred twenty all the way through that each bounces route you. I'm sure you're too I would roll through bond load after followed after L. after L. after joint whatever to smoke all day blunts blunt sued hustling role and everything but dodges and wraps taper it was nice to see you sober when all the rest of us who sows sows arse over at were and I felt very powerful in that moment so so Charles Manson historically and very famously we used to give his followers acid they would all sit in a room and he'd be like we will now take the acid and beat our savior. He never took acid never never took he gave the everyone around him so that he could have a superhuman ability to like be above everyone else in the state of mind and that's how I felt I kind of felt like Charles Manson Day Dude Charles and you you were all just like just like your feet or stuck in the ground. Andrea was like looking into the stars dude like talking about Copernicus and shit and I was standing there and I was like dude like these minions of mine are going to really come in handy. Something just ended up just bouncing pulled together a foursome and then you went out and awesome drink at war with came back on the same level again and they were all Charles Manson. I wish I could hung out with you guys and then Dan Dow was one of the hottest like just escapades of the it was so steaming it was so steamy Siemian just nudity was as high as when we were all in the back seat of this sprinter van and you and David were in the front seen about halfway through the drive y'all Roy partition. What happened will happen? I just the attorney David. I'm GONNA I'm going to know you here. I'm not a fan of road dome any of the music that you Andrea Spencer. Choose any of you guys just pick terrible music. It's all horrible with very few limitations okay and so I closed the partition and I put on what we listened to spotify Classic Rock Station Casey Jones grateful dead Zeppelin like all that shit bopped out to the beaches crank it in the back you guys the guys who are listening to you. Guys were to my gut the a job and all in the backseat go muck this. That's good for generation into the classes. This is sixties and seventies over here. You know you're listening to like glass. Animals like way I sold you guys glass and can we not listen to what you work you were. I remember if you're listening to. I wasn't in charge yeah trippy wireless. It was just a ship. So what are you doing good bro. Did you give them has apple spotify apple. We thought for our hooking up high still honestly both can we get into that though is Logan Paul Stupid Lights we lights. I'm really excited segment so the New York for Media Press Day for the Challenger Games this Saturday July twenty seven get your tickets tickets. It's going to be huge. Events going to livestream with the donation link to charity we're going to be benefiting is the Special Olympics we confirmed which is awesome. I think it definitely fits in with the vibe with the event. Hopefully this is the first of many as you guys know. I placed a one hundred thousand dollars. I was the fastest youtuber on the planet and so that's been the Tagline I've been sort of running with because it is a it's a nice hook. People listen to be. I bet it's eight hundred thousand dollars and it was like well really no way I'm the fastest or I want to watch. This kid run so media day. New York was to go there we went. We went there to talk about the challenger Games impulsive one hundred episode which we did. We just did like subscribe they said just promote the brand build that brand awareness and we had set up. I think ten interviews that day all of them were gray and by the time this comes out a few more of them will be rolled out. I had a great podcast at Barstools K._F._C. Radio. It was actually the one of the best podcast I think I've ever done. I had I had so much. One of those guys are awesome and <hes> then we went and did there. Would you rather thing where you stand in front and you answer question great about about sex and stuff. We need something like that. One of the questions was curious to see your answer. One of the questions was would you would you you punch your grandmother in the face have sex with the girl of your dream. No I said I would I would knock my grandmother. I'll go no aggressively like no not happening. SCRAMBLER GRANDMA GRANDMA JOE's tank dude like she's a fucking warrior for your dog actually step up and take a full on punch to the face box now boxer logan do on my a hook like you know one of the hook. It'd be a jab do on my answers absolutely not I love comedy evil. Now I hate every comedians make jokes and they're just like run with it but are you. Are you serious. If you actually my grandmother lesabre shock value which by the way is my entire fucking ran which are about the if you watch but it sounds funny so to say people he would do that good if you was boring if you watch my face when he said I chuckled I love the question but and I and I when I answer questions like this. I give answers the same way you do like normal and I want to get into see I want you to give your whole thing and then I have something to say about about how you act but normal people would normal brains they would say of course I wouldn't know ooh grandma but we know sorry you probably would answer it like stupid fucking elevated and get it. We wouldn't do that but now we're going to one up and I'm GonNa tell you why okay my dream girl first of all your grandma is my no. No that's awesome Nova my but my dream girl is not separated that much by the girls I'm already intercourse. Okay the girl I heard it oh here somebody either fan families and my data and she's dating someone now but I just love how oh she look I can make no no. She got a boyfriend family ninety nine percent your family members are sliding your dance. So whatever what I'm getting even if I said Jennifer Lopez even if I said no <hes> <hes> Zoe Dacian ally also love love or banks right pat jennings or some sweetheart from the industry they're just not separated that much from some of the more nicer hard-working girls that will save your grandma. I just go from go to a twelve. I'm not GonNa Punch my dear friend. She's ninety years old showed us the gardening walker she twice in six months. Nobody wants just plice Hill. They just wanted like something. That's like shock value. I call you from Sweden. I text you. Hey Publicist Has New York trip scraper press. We're back in it challenger Games impulsive. She's like Jeffrey going. I'm like no. I used to go all the time would fly. You know we'd be right next to each other and make sure Logan's. Hogan's twenty four years old. He's great at this now Murphy. You don't have to go no problem all right great but hold up with no no you're right. I'm I'm quite honestly who good at interviews now that I agree do act and say whatever I want and spin it however I want and the media will write about it however I'm about to explain explain what happened yesterday so you went talk specifically about Fox because that is the one that blew up and everyone shared so so we did interviews. It's it's about four P._M.. Quite honestly I'm exhausted. I'm running on three to four hours sleep because I went out the night before John Bet with pink. I was told not to go out this business. Hold on in New York City which we're all my friend who went to mark with totally wouldn't have caught out. Yes you raising. What are you went to China? Chinatowns Open till six at Brooklyn South Kerry downtown. I WANNA I want to this clip viral. This dude posted his name is twitter handles at Jordan. He blew a he blew up because my followers well. He got how many retweets the tweet here twelve thousand is trending wealth one hundred seventeen thousand lakes video when nineteen thousand retweets the caption was logan was just on Fox business in well. It was something and I I wanNA. I WANNA WANNA bring up the full interview. 'cause I mean the full interview doesn't go viral. It's the supercar it's the minute of the greatest moments but like I was just I was just in a mood you can tell even when I was first insuring introduced in agreement like well when I was in the green the rooms picture like you're GonNa go live now and I'm just like mean Mug in the camera. If you saw the interview and here let's see if we can play this but I saw Danny actually post something where you're walking in and I was Deli on hit a law the big Bro and they're like okay do the bureau. You'RE GONNA walk down this. This is so fucking lame like I can. I just at least have fun because that's my that's my goal Naba. I want to have fun so anyways across all social starts according to social blade which tracks monetization satit about fifteen million dollars sipping Logan Paul just sipping. You're always doing it. I've seen all the universe on Fox business trying to do business so anyways anyways so my two I looked good. Thanks thank you. I had a globe recently for the I so I two options. The machine goes on Fox business. You'RE GONNA promote challenger Games going to talk about the difference between Youtube facebook Food Google whatever I'm like this is great but also to options one talk about business on Fox business. Nothing happens then get seen by the twenty thousand viewers. Maybe that are watching this live less or less or number to do. You have a great time. Talk about stuff. I WanNa talk about and go viral. I chose the ladder because that's my stick. That's what I do and I love to do. It and there are two types of people one most people watch this show Oh and the blogs who see what I'm doing and know exactly what I'm doing and they get it of course and to the people were like this kids are more on what did he bombed his interview and I'm like Yo all right but I will say my strategy. How did you hear we did it in flat earth and I'm sort of hesitant to even say this but I believe this phenomenon will be a recurring theme in society? I bank on the Naievty of old people and all millennials us to perpetuate my brand made me go viral and keep me relevant in circumstances like this knowing that that feeling they get when they tweet out the Fuck Logan Paul or the hop on that bandwagon that little dopamine spy you ah no they love it and I know the two and they'll never not love. They'll always feel the need to put that tweet out rally the troops get their army behind him. GET THE RE tweets in the followers and keep me relevant of saint people who are going Logan Logan pollster ending. I thought he was irrelevant last year thank you because of you I stay relevant and and knowing that it's become like a fun little stick of my play again. We happened with flat earth but I wanNA play the super. They won the super cut because this really encompasses what happened on Fox interview if I'm being quite honest with you I'm the fastest youtuber. I'm the fastest entertainer on the planet. I running running. I could be the quickest man on the planet. I'm everywhere baby. I'll never yeah I'm everywhere and I'm nowhere. I'm like a ghost is I do have to stop right there. So you said you use the word controversial. Yes just so you know I I am an ex controversial youtube or no longer me China and <hes> Yeah I. I'm betting one hundred thousand dollars. I'm the fastest man on the planet. I'm the fastest man on the planet. I will say my expenses just surpassed my income for the first time ever I just had with my financial manager. He told me that like I'm definitely going downhill for making nervous. Yeah absolutely oh terrified at the beginning of I'm uncomfortable with myself. Come on I also have been guy not contagious but top no it is. There's a two week incubation period. Sorry Yeah I texted. I get right. Oh I got it to multiple lawyer. Our boys trending publicists not the best interview other people do business with that was an interesting Fox. It's my ninth interview of the day I have noticed business from people best in I've seen for genius genius. You're hilarious. They just don't have to two types of people. One person is like I understand what Logan's doing I see like yeah clearly. Let me let me let me jump in here for NAS. I know it's smart guy very intelligent capable. He's just playing with. Let me let me jump it for second. I think the biggest I think the biggest learning from this and every other time you were we have done something like this is that people will continuously underestimate the intelligence of this camp of we we are. We get advice from low gang. I get advice from from people here in L._A.. I get advice from people on the Internet when I say that we are sixty five steps ahead of you guys. You have no fucking idea what we are doing what we're working on where our humor is going which we all figured out we are one hundred thirty plus. I Q four point four point seven web gifted program from third grade as as you know that's the one that's the one of my tiny. Let me say this. Let me we've we've got this shit figured out not not now toying not people yes we don't have it all figured a lot of a lot of I was going to say. Here's here's here's what the moral the story if you don't think that every move I make in everything I do since about a year ago in my life is extremely dreamily calculated and intentional and strategic. You have to be out of your fucking mind. I mean what not to stroke my Dick here but look at the numbers that are coming up on the screen is not in Addison it. If you click on the things to go to the actual video oriented five point two million views on this video Avila's twitter videos five point two million views by the way the full interview has about eighty seven thousand. No one wants to see the video which by the way we did. We talk about some things that we're like slightly educational the Super Cut the the thing that goes viral people love to point the finger ago Logan Paul's a more he's doing cocaine which which clearly also not the drug that would make you do. This is odd. It's some people said adderall that would seem like a drug that would make me out of cocaine might as Welby so so I I'm fascinated. I'm fascinated that people are fascinated by this and they don't understand Ed. I heard a saying once. Perhaps if you don't get the joke you and I I have to thank the people re tweeting and sharing this videos for making me in my brand go viral my role once again and helping me sell tickets for the challenger Games this weekend. It's going to be a huge huge event which by the way for charity event that benefits the Special Olympics who's winning here like I can. I can take the people who who who put me down there. You know there's two ways to interpret this video. People who who put me down and Logan Paul Drugs Oakland Bosox Oakland Eighty wisey on my screen. Whatever the comments are you? You will most likely never be a person that I want to be a fan of mine. Maybe in the future that'll change but I'm so happy that you do and when you do you it helps me thank you what are you going to. I was just going to say I'll just going to say it's funny because it's it's. It reminds me sometimes of like what the people not to say it again but people say about my show that I just started. They're like oh you like. You've got towels hanging on the thing like jeep member said this shows trainwreck. It's the worst I think who you can't afford to o'clock. I'll just throw a hundred Kane. I don't care the reason I do. It is because it's fucking hilarious. It's a it's a it's a really Meta inside joke that I think a lot of the people that are coming up on the Internet. The audience love ah the Gen Z. Millennials who are on the same wavelength as us. This is an inside joke again if you're in the circle and you get this is fucking Hilar- comes but it's like why so serious serious so serious the joke like I I can sit and talk a serious business all day in the difference between Youtube and facebook and why I create where create but it just so boring. I'm here to entertain but I wanNA make sure that the people put you want me Fox business gives you you're saying they will go viral. That's the host is a fucking doll. She's she's so nice easy incredibly dinner podcast after I talked to her after she said some things won't repeat but Mamie Fall in love with her daughter's a huge fan and did she's amazing. What does she think of the interview? She thought it was great. Why I'm not sh she thought it was great? I'm not sure she knew what was happening Liz. I love you. She might she might she was laughing. Along with outside of the super caught did any of the talking points or the absolute. I explained to them. I'm like Yo you does a better job monetize creators and they have they provide more incentive for me to create there because they had the audience and at the moment yes and I also said that I said things that again have value but the supercross fucking golden and then I think the comment that two comments that are really twist and people's legs one on the fastest man on the planet people are tweety. I'm either like don't you know who you send both is. He's like come on like this. Kid can't Bro. What are you saying not serious why so stupid that he was serious interview? I go. I go. I was like I'm GonNa take this step higher on the fast Tyrrell's fucking I'm going blows out on the fastest man on the planet and I know people are going to hear thank you look at here get offended. They would've learned their lesson from flat earthers. You it was the time we taught him. which is we are going to? We are GonNa fuck you guys soul hard you do getting screw yourselves and then we're gonNA teach when you're GonNa shut up you do the marketing you do the Promo for force the amount of earned media that I got because of this crazy thousands of dollars four three shows he cut through the haters shows your intelligence but but why don't have a problem talking about it because I initiated this to everyone in the house and Matt Goes. Are you sure you wanNA spill the beans because a those people are watching this podcast they love the super cuts course they love the super little bits that they can come in and to they will never you are the way you are and you will never be any other leading the fans in your fantasies go. Everybody likes you yes Paul. I don't know that on your instagram to somebody was like you genius or I'm actually like they wrote articles. Someone said the cat the caption should have been changed to Logan. Paul knew who exactly what it was like like after it happened with flat earth and they did the marketing for us and now it's happening with this. I'm just keep so confident. They will never ever catch on and if they do their desire to to do the Bandwagon Type Action Bandwagon tweets only helps trump's the their ability to to go. You know what if I don't like Logan Paul the the most effective way for me the show my disdain is to be indifferent and not talk about the opposite acidic. Hey is not love. It's the opposite of love is not hey it's indifference. Win is quickly see favorites like if you truly truly didn't want me to be around indifferent to me and you wouldn't mention well and the worst part. You're in the worst part that I've seen too. Is that everybody that has that opinion. Another thing. I've noticed has that opinion until they watch this fucking show so many people have turned. They've been like y'all like I didn't. I didn't like to do like it was a little too whatever for me have come on and they see holy Shit. I watch for an hour and a half. It felt like five minutes. He's hilarious smart and they've got a great thing of course appreciate you Mike. That's always been a huge fan. You don't have to thanks Mitch Fan nuts. It's it's cool. It's cool to me to go into different venues and you know your audience so I know the audience yes. They want to hear about business but it's it's so much fun just fuck around and have fun and get promote promotional value out of course so yeah most most people watching this or like selling stocks. They're just like in the background. Seth Rogan favored at this tweet and I'm so he's a smart motherfucker. He's smart. I'm so cure. I hear what I feel like He. He knew I'm going to reach out to him. He's <hes> he's he'll if he doesn't agree with something he'll publicly say it on twitter before and the fact that he just favored it and didn't do the classic like what does this kid. A more on things makes me think he's he's or understand. I know some do you think that ability to hold her own and a comedic in the comedic space is a is an indicator of higher intelligence assets yes yes. I knew you're going there. Just give me an example yes because obviously yes but like I'm sure there are comedians that are just like fucking comedians or like skit people because it depends. There's some people who are like stupid funny where it's like Yo. That's fucked up funny and then there's intelligence and most most of the people that are the top top are until you look at like Robin Williams and Kimmel and Fowley. They're all all super intelligent yeah yeah yeah yeah and so I think the comment that the really just drove this one home home was the Pinkai Fox visiting see that brings me back to wanting to see you as I've always have do some stand up I wanted to I wanna see that I wanted to i. I think I do too. I think if I did stand up people would understand me a little. I don't think people know the people who don't watch me adamant. I don't think they know how versatile I am. I I do so many things and this is like you text me. You go great acting. This is a character the characters frat boy lack. I don't really know what I'm doing. Well fast the fastest man on the planet. I got pink guy like this is not and I watched it back and knowing what the reaction would be. I get so much Joel. It's like a higher level of self-deprecation like you. You know that the result of your actions here is going to be people shitting on you but you do it because you know the value of it like it's the value right he goes in and he just talks normal. Oh Yeah facebook Youtube Blah Blah Blah Blah. Nobody Watch flops down. You don't Watch T._V.. And you're like Oh. That's plain Jane family. Let's watch this. This is great. What happens in your like sales for Challenger? Games are spiking today because so this like pardon me thought it was the ad buying it might be a great job. Jake also do swipe up. You know there was no link with the swipe up. I texted him. Let's see we can get this to play. Gold was up pretty big. I'm absolutely terrified. I think it's the beginning of the end that's my fishing. She asked me about finances and you'll some of the headlines I mean the headlines of the one of the funniest parts about awesome actually WanNa pull them up here. You can google what's happening here. Local Paul One Million Dollars Youtube Star says he may be going broke. A warrior profit says it's the beginning of the end of looking. POLLY's insists he's no longer controversial original Youtube Star Fox business because that's the narrative will go down X. controversial youtube purchase great craigslist moments. How did you get out of the pink eye? How'd you get the X. Because I'm not saying Shit? That's going to get me in trouble anymore. I'll stay should that makes people talk but like trouble. Also I think it was the first sponsorship that gave that sponsors now again but by the way we move product like my sponsor. I mean what's so like my question is how much how much sponsorship though has at Jordan on twitter pulled it in the past. Ask you know six or so you'll but that's not yet actually no you're right. We should've put a Pre roll in front of the question. Is Jordan also playing the game knowing that that's GonNa get also <music> where he's not like. I don't like editor. Maybe writer and those profile also Jordan didn't didn't really say anything. You just said well. It was something like end. Indeed something left it for four interpretation. People hated it but one of them talk one of the headlines. The headlines are my favorite. One of my favorite ones looking for X.. Controversial you do start in quotes. Logan Paul is going broke and has pink Guide Day Law. This was Daily Mail. They'll come on. I also have guy contagious but top no it is. It's a two week incubation period. I had a let her know is a look at fucking Cyborg on live television and I'm going to be sitting there addressed. I think I well that's hilarious. Closer is right there on the K._f._C. Barstool interview. I mentioned that I mentioned on every press interview that day by the way he goes. I'm like I picked he goes. I know I could see it goes money. Here is is like half close. What do you mean guy like? I'm over it. Look like some sort of infectious Johnny Bravo Yeah Yeah so yeah. Overall the trip to New York was great. It was phenomenal and by the way if I didn't do this I don't know if it would have been worth it like I went there to for media and for press in how my job and they want views so you the army of haters and Logan Paul Naysayers is my Army I control them. They don't even know it which is why so it's such a sub-conscious. Coaches puppeteer ring of a large group of people knowing that they thrive on Logan Paul type negatively. You've had literally banking my entire career on them. Please pass and it's hurt you yeah. That's true using it to the now rat video you like you guys again a yeah but a jab you right and then they came back and it was youtube preferred never again. Thanks bye but now you're figuring out how to use it for your event yeah. I like how you said that you just you out some point. You decided you like well. We we need to move some of this so let's activate my army and you just activated in the right lorry that loves me and the right the opposite which of course this is actually really interesting and I don't think people have have really ever talked about this before but you have found a way to activate your haters. That's amazing radical. No it's incredible because people fight their eaters ignore their haters but I don't think I've ever heard someone to talk about how to make your haters work before that's that's incredible point eight two million views on twitter and I bet this is. I don't think Fox businesses ever had a video like this and it's so funny because right now he's like well aw shit like now Fox News knows my secret and everybody's like maybe we shouldn't tell because maybe they will invite you back. Hell Yeah. They're gonNA invite you back because they want another video at five point eight million views that says Fox business on employees over the Internet Liz Liz. I'll say it again. She's a doll her daughters orders amazing married so I I think so I think about you know how like hitting on older women but I it wasn't like it was just a really professional vibe dude like it was great. She looked shoes. I'm fun we both were really and and I'm glad she was a good sport about it. Because you get the one hero whose like default exactly do you remember on Bloomberg the Bloomberg interview I did it was last business oriented or era live television thing I did when I was about twenty twenty one years old and they asked me about my income. There's a guy in a girl we went there. We went there is in New York and there was a guy on a girl and she pressed me audible time yes hard. So how much do you make and I and I was twenty nine. I was twenty. I didn't know how to handle it because like they teach you in media training which you can imagine I've had hours and hours and hours and if I wanted to be a media that was another media puppet like I could easily be immediate public. I sent you that tweet. There's another one that said this training Satnav. This explains the value of Media Cheney all Logan Paul because he's going to teach you how to go. What's exactly what's the point of? What's the point of media like yes? I could've sit there and like when I did I did when I was twenty and been like well well when I make concert. The goal is to make content than my audience loves and consume content really inspires them. They'll be able to take action on product and go from like suck my Dick do that. I did it when I was twenty the best me I didn't know how to answer and now I told you before. The interview started I go by the way you fucking president. WanNa push back. I'm in no phase in my life today no mood. I spent all night drinking when the caller daddy yes so so they now you're still building right so it was like all respectful building building now. It's like I'm here. I'm here going anywhere out the name to stay. I said this on the on the K._F._C. Z. Barstool podcast if if your wanted to cancel me like I hate to say you had your chance. The window has passed my friends and unfortunately p here for them so nobody asked me that too. They're like hey. How's he doing everything and like I got some? I got some how you doing techs mentally Kevin Hines hit me up. He's like hey man. Just WanNa let you know I saw your interview interview and the comet that he was referring to is the one where where I said I'm uncomfortable with myself I go on with my guy said he reached out true friend. I got this text. I won't mention the person's name on fifty eight P._M.. You need to talk to logan the Fox. Biz interview was not good. Yes let me see the name that Oh well which which strikes me as odd because because you know no no I need you to Logan Paul character on those and be himself because he's intelligence Elgin's fuck now no brand's weight that if they see what brands and by the way we got sponsors now we chilin and we're rich still poor poor broke. Please donate money to us from I I gotta go your dentist appointment. That strikes me as odd because I would. I would assume I would assume he's a person who thought the joke. I'm just not doing some people got joke and it was like he needs to know when he should do when he should look when the right time in one is also like another thing too that I don't like if this Ev- I'd say this I speak for you on it or whatever but like our vibe is like a weird place right like like. Are you still trying to be like ultra brand friendly. You know what I wanted to ask real dude. I WANNA be real. I want to be funny. Entertaining entertaining relatable and like pink is GonNa make this hilarious like play clipper actually kind of said something but then so it did start like sort of okay and then I brought it back. I was like no we're not gonna go there and then she brought it back to where every big platform wants to be the video platform video issues now. I think it's like statistically you might you might know one of the biggest things that kids are consuming so I mean I don't know you're talking about a lot of stuff. I don't really know much about aw kind of like out here. She goes out here so this happen and then she did mention Google Youtube is actually inactive your facebook account as inactive or how you went to call me a Lila <music> technically million six following an inactive face odd right. I don't know I need to optimize account. I don't why haven't you what I'm saying. I say this yes you can say anything better job of monetize for the creators like that is the the home for me as a creator where not only can my content to be seen consumed digested but also like they pay and I think facebook just got into this. How is that though I do WANNA fight back really quickly on that that was to me that was awesome so I like what you did but I also like that you pepperdine parts about this because a lot of people that are watching this show that love when we talk about business hearing about it that's their life and so jettison not true because facebook actually magnetising? Some people are not I think inside. It's sharable your video viral by pressing by the way you right. Now I know Bra. I got to sixteen million facebook before he was scared to share abilities gray. They weren't monitoring at the time and maybe that's a conversation for me to explore what we are. You're going to be what I watched this. I just like adding kind of south France. I'm kind of kind of board you. You know whose opinion I want on this and I hope he does a video on it. He might because accommodated on on twitter. I consider this person to be wise and also to probably be aware of what I'm doing. Here is Philip the Franco I I've resp- I respect his opinion. <hes> all the time and I and I actually agree with improbably eight about eighty five percent of the stuffy says I'll see the occasional Philly d clips and I've spoken to him on on twitter and the direct messages before I asked him to to do or participate in something and he made it clear he's like hey just so you know like I'm not going to do this until like it's fully vetted out and I've scoped out what I what I'm advocating and behind the scenes. I clock this and say okay. This is a man with integrity and we know that like I consider him to be a good dude and so I'm hoping he does video on and we can hear what he has to say on it. I'm just because I'm curious because he does. He is the perfect middleman in my opinion between the I keep occupying liberal millennials the ones that crazy active loud voice on twitter and the ones who are here fuck around and have a good time like me and like most of my audience and learn some things wells has been since isn't him technical inventing ending the wheel but for his age group it is of creators who else was really good at trolling the media like it's not a new thing that's an actor's Sasha Baron Cohen Logan's a new Sasha Berko. I would not say that man's a fucking genius and if I saw a genius if I put my but like everyone's on his like everyone's in on his inside joke right now my inside jokes are polarizing for summer when I do this interesting think you're serious. Fascinated fascinated that people still people still think this is like the actual. Do you think when I go home Joe Gino I used to put send Logan meetings people would watch your videos figure out like okay. I'm again this crazy jock guy funny stupid crazy Kim. They've called me right after me like you know he's actually Super Smart Intelligent. Why didn't you tell me it's because it's shredder when they recognize? It and they're like Oh shit instead of like I promise you he's really smart smart. Just take the meeting. I think it provides a this is why says great. It provides a really nice opportunity for me to have a very healthy career arc. I like you know if what goes on must most things that I've seen way wave functions. Yes this is right here. Everything's a wave up and down trump's was here right here and as long as it keeps his going up. You're going to be good and it's very very healthy. Everyone who I've seen explode and blow up with a quick griped fame it's short lived and I've had so many ups and so many downs and as long as I keep going like I said the course of my career will be something to be moral Carl that I think I think so relate when people are down and out there like getting made fun of when they feel like they've failed. I'm the perfect lightning rod for people or Beacon for people to look at and say okay this kid's going through. I can do it to eighty years old rolling Arlington trolling box business. It's so funny to think but action owning. I actually think that the I remind me of Charlie Sheen oh see but he fucking around us more serious fucked up so I figure I get why people say that you were sniffen like because he cracked rookie. Isn't he like winning yeah yeah. It's like he was able to understand your humor there. They may have made the comparison like you were like. I'm waiting. I'm the fastest Youtube on the fastest man on this planet people out of his fucking fine. Charlie was what else man you WanNa have cheese sandwiches on Hungary's hell. We should do stuff audio audio audio. Only what should we talk about an audio only real quick talk about some dirty things I did New York. Let's all on. I suppose some don't say anything. Let's do like when I say let's get spicy audio. Only I mean like let's get crazy crazy crazy like if you didn't listen to audio only you didn't watch episode Jones at Night Manager Jeff. Thanks for joining us. Thanks Libro who knows who knows guys we frigging love. You hit that subscribe but then we're GONNA be the number one podcast in the world for the rest of your God. Dang Life Keeps Borton US audio only right now spotify night doings impulsive out. We are man I can't I can't get over these headlines broke. These are mechanised. We're switching way up. Let's do it. Oh wait. Hold on okay. I'll say this huge promises to the to the visual viewed as you did shit. I no no no no name but walked around the park. I hung out with a girl when I was in New York for that like that. I was there. She's great she so cool she's so cool and and I had danny deliver me my pink pink eye drops during the day amazing and in my in my world you're at a very nice restaurant and in my world for some reason I've this is so normal I'm so used to Danny Danny saving my life in dire circumstances as so she brought me the pink eye relieved drops and then I I and then I clocked. This is probably really fucking odd for this girl this four go and she she drop putting the drops in my eyes. She's looking at me. Like what are you doing what the fuck is going on and luckily she was cool and it was also the favorite part of her night but I have Pinga yes and I also told her it is not contagious and I guess it is highly contagious but <music> but for what dude is it contact. I would love to see this girl. You're talking about get no I wouldn't that's fucked up but it would be crazy. She got pink. What if all the people I've interacted with the past two days everyone in my hand which by the way at this much more much more than a red? I guess what happens in the morning when I tried to open my eyes. I can't open my eyes pizza crust. It's disgusting my faces chafing because of all the <hes> discharge running down my eyeballs really quickly about what you think his thoughts all right on the on the sleeping sleeping leaving but like sitting like he's posing I wasn't sleeping. My Dad used to fall asleep on the couch when I was a kid. Look look. How long do you contagious with pink eye about twenty four hours? Only oh ty can take well. I just started the drops. The pharmacy was closed when we landed in New York and so we couldn't get the real draw she had to get some over the <music> off the cabinet in the blast off the Cabinet O._T._c. off the cabinet child when I was young my dad fall asleep on the couch and he would always go like this dad dad wake up and go arts Lebron just rest in my on is so one time my mom painted his finger nail while he was just resting his is Japan so he woke up and he noticed that my mom and painted fingernail and then a weekly divorced you're lying dude. No your lives places so she found out how to catch dude because that's what she would be like Mitch. Did you cheat on me on your last business trip and that you have to tell the truth we try not to go crazy off topic topic topic Bra. I'll talk about this. How do you think girls girls tell if they're manage cheating on them because in my eyes there's so many ways to catch your mad if you think he's cheating? How do you like one of the most one of the most daring bold things I've seen as you smell your man's Dick home from the place of course smell classic? That's a classic. My girlfriend's thought about it oh you are you cheating on me. Why because you know definitely we never would never would never never would never do because you are gone so much better in bed? I've heard that would try oh. I'm just getting older yeah getting mature trying different stuff us. Do you notice I'm sure you do you both know when you been there you hook on there. You have your girlfriend and then you spend some time apart you break up whatever it is then. You always have hooking up with their own right when that happens. I've had it happened but to me where she she goes. Where would you like? I'm grabbing hair different than no and catch on but so the Question of magazine Issue Jeff is like how are you improving. If you just stuck in the same little rabbit uh rabbit hole quite literally how my improving. Why are you getting better? It's ex same which is listening to call her. Daddy no nothing nothing and she's said like where you see this important. I don't watch porn. Never Watch it lover for business deal. Show me huge six million. She returned to me to business all what she reach out to you for Jeffrey Eleven A. G. Milica over. You're going to get action interesting audio who listen to audio. I've been on a anal kick lately. You told me this and I don't know if I don't it's it's great. I just have become bored with your tongue or both I the guy I'd be your eye on the whole that and good that and group activities can't get into fucking kick. Get into normal shit anymore. Board will like I'm bored senseless of just normal sex and after you have those encounters the the multiple girls or the anal you feel amazing. Yeah one feels different. The next about the moment of the group encounters get fired up dude who I mean Bro. That's for most people most dudes. Oh Shit. Jake's getting married this weekend in fact but really though Actually Vegas I am. I'm not going yeah. I think invitations go today. I'm watching video deliver running and he's fastest. I'm like yeah I think he's cloudy Bro from alcohol. I'm selfish as far as they should definitely absolutely show up with Dave. I should show up shirt that says selfish clergy. Are you going to the wedding i. I don't think I'm invited. I'm on that or on the trip that you're going on after by the way don't we have to film what what's going to any film a bunch of Shit before he leaves. No I think I think we take a positive hiatus bro. Yeah I think so should I should I fire off one to maybe is there one without Logan. There's been all there's been one would be as host before hosts not here bang out. I have a good idea a good idea. It's a collaboration nightshift impulsive mix Logan Logan getting into the idea spinoff yes I did. He likes it pockets to entertain. You know what I love. I love the idea that y'all can have legs yeah. It's fucking off like look at what you're getting served up right now. The night shift on my relatable Ebel Detest to sixteen views. I listen Bro. Fuck this. Let's go E.. Anyone other name oh by the way who invented shoes I said earlier the first shoes were discovered between seven in an eight thousand B._C.. And that's where the date back to they were discovered in a cave in Oregon believe it or not Sagebrush Bark Sandals and there are one of the first shoes Docs nope and the the shoe was industrialized realized in eighteen sixty two in Massachusetts. I can't remember what the guy's name was. I think it was McKay and then I realized in low mass which is where banks is from the bone the rubber.
The Don Magic Juan Interview
"No jumper coolest podcasts on the world today. I am here with the legendary don magic juan how you feel umbro de agreeing for the money go honey temps up and the hour do not rhys we do know there s but i think is very very important thing for the culture that we <hes> reconnect and everything i mean you're i know you have your whole storied storied career and everything in the streets etc but i feel like i came to know of you with snoop dogg. What was that ten fifteen years ago. You sort of have a resurgence surgeons in the public eye. Take me through that. What do you speaking about it really i. I met snooping something like ninety six. I was in atlanta doing the time they were having what they considered their freaknik freaky party hanging out so you know i met him. Dan and i seen him in chicago where you're from ron yeah at a concert and he's saying men audience and he told his cajon joan book to bring me into back one in the back smoke women we talked in thing <hes> he came to chicago another time and he had the muslim to bring bring him to where i was hanging out on the west side of chicago okay at a barbershop and he came up their fellowship. What has got attack a niece of man. Do you ever come to you. You know california you know. Look me up you know so and ninety nine. I came to california as a matter of fact we it was on the same plane and landed together and from ninety nine and up until now i've been you know a fellowship. I become spirit. <hes> five wallace snoop so drawn to you. What do you think started that relationship. He's he's obviously incredibly busy. Planning money doesn't really have to make new friends but he was drawn to you. What do you think it was well it. It's the thing that draw most people to what was considered my situation that being a pimp you know man that as well as women's they're fascinated by that and for him to have an opportunity to truly but show me the meat wanda was considered a rare one would really fascinated because he was very impressed with that kind of life and you know multi wrap of our culture. You know that's why they say. I'm hip hop because most were saying about the cars that close the year the women's home and you know that's what you know pampered really all about l. A. lot of rappers literally talk about the pimps all the time and we as the listeners know that they're either lying or they're exaggerating and maybe they'd done a little bit of dirt in. They're in their day but they're not really someone who lived a game for decades like yourself where one thing about it like. I say it's a fantasy you know like a a lot of rap gangsta and having did against so as a fantasy lyrics and you got some like ice tea that had really lived at life. You know what i mean and you know snoopy itself had and does ended at one time you know but it was something that and he knew what he wanted you know and you know he contended in rare life. You know i think it's such a fascinating business for a lot of people to even think about because it's so hard for them to wrap their head around the idea of taking on dat lifestyle never mind to be able to do well for yourself for a long period of time doing that because it it just feels like something that most people probably don't last very long trying to do right depend on the situation to people you know different strokes for different folks where we've been timed at guys pem brow drugs and today gang which was considered a no no most of them thought maybe if they gave it to the girl that they could hold them longer by getting them sprung out on them but once they got sprung out on him to female she would leave and go to the dope dealers. No need to have the camp well. He was really losing his always. Tell guide you know. Don't put that doping brain. You don't lose your game so you're saying that once the prosecutors here's get addicted to drugs. That's when everything is real complicated and it doesn't work out where death when it becomes really complicated way no understanding they take no directions of they bolivia and most of the time i mean it. Don't make good in pimps gay. You know like i komo guys tried. You know because you know some guys get hooked on it themselves but i mean temperature is not part of the game yeah the the draw but you have you been privy to the game sense before drugs. Were really a factor <hes> yeah i would you consider the number one pimp in the country in one thousand nine hundred seventy two. I would number one in the country for thirteen years in a row and that's considered an historic a number one guy rank that kind of thing where is judged by quiet quietier every year about your car your clo- your jury your woman you know you're characteristic even seventy two. They were the who's doing the voting or the nominations the sort of thing i it did by the top flight pimps around the country they take a vote. You know like i could call over go to new york and say hey man what's happening over there slam. I'd say making money who the man over there the n._s._a. Man such and such a you know what i mean road imac run in new york at the end you know he come to the ball. You know what i mean. We act to ask from hawaii. You know play ball twenty eighteen. <hes> gentlemen from russia wanted to play at a year so they come edge for russia london. I'm i'm sketched out by the idea russian pimps off off the jump because 'cause i know they ain't playing by the same rules that were planned by those russians that crazy the way. I one thing about it. Is you know we we consider you know what i mean by a female nonni honey whatever yet they do with another thing but we do buy your status which of read their clothes had lab years how you putting it down. You know what make making it happen. You know to real dea but back in the day where you it sounds kind of flavor and it sounds like you really weren't worried about getting hot at that time period back in the seventies well one one thing about it if they didn't have the law that they have created now which is considered you know rico law where now you know. They say you know guy get money. Alpha woman is considered pro. You know problem like earning off. A woman daytona lied. I said well why not you know women's. Can you know what i mean are in offer oh you but you're not a main disc the stigma that they put on you. You know what i mean that. They don't think it's right for a lady to give a man some money. I don't see nothing wrong with the lady agreed like i said by choice not by four so when you were in the seventies with their just what were your worries in terms of the law is just wasn't even concerned that that would be an investigation that you would get busted impossible now none of that kind of thing donner time. You have a problem like that. You had a problem with your girl where she would go to the police on. You know you'll get something like they call a pander in charge something and possibly you know what they consider dan white slavery you know. Are you know holding somebody against they wear and you know it wouldn't go on on really police really at that time didn't and have a problem. You know what i mean to arrest in. It really made a lot of mayor because you know you would ride like myself. Road routes cadillac had how this you know the jury and they seen all of these things but they saying no crime that you would break. Even donate know that the girl was prostitute and you know if you could you know prostitute you sam you came from for jeff walking around in life. Definitely you know that's really interesting. Hey can i ask you a question. <hes> to sort of off topic you ever tried any sort of like penis pill and he kinda dick pill like either viagra or like something from the corner astore. Yeah yeah tried it and some of it have worked really yep. I don't know any man that really want to try to stay a man and having track it would enhance them yeah because i just recently tried out for the first time which is actually a really good segue to our sponsor for this episode episode a blue shoe dot com. Let me tell you real quick. If you love sex you'll love blue chew. Dot com blue shoe offers many performance enhancement for the bedroom that will that make you last longer. You'll be able to go for additional rounds. They're actually these chewable tablets little tablets. 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You know they made a statement in guy that what they're trying to please the not he just told you what to do. <hes> butchered dot com use code twenty to appreciate that <hes> yeah you know. Actually i was here as long as we're on this topic. I think i was here from girls. 'cause you know my main association. I know a lot of porn girls out here in the l._a. Scene and everything like that so i'm always here in the horror stories that they have about the dudes that they work trek with doing weird stuff shoot shoot up their dicks. I'm not sure exactly what that some stuff that they actually inject into their venus to make them be able to perform yeah yeah yeah. They got that <hes> you know something like that. I had caused you know the rain to thirty sixty thousand you know not veterans you know have a way you could get this installed it until you at a certain time you can just push some kind of buttoning it it just automatically give you a hard on you know and and you know it has been known to have been affected. You know i note some guy that have tried it. You know so it just another way. Just you know chandy. Stay stay one and a half sacks. Hey you only got so many years on this planet. You might as well make the best of them do what you can. You know i just think anything you run out of. You should have been and did the best you could before that happened. Do you think that the cops didn't care so much about the prostitution issue back in the day because the world hadn't really figured out like international <hes> sex trafficking in the sense. I feel like that's what really pisses them off like the idea that there's all these girls coming from russia being enslaved and shipped off to different cities all over america that's when they started to really have to do something about it. Well one thing about it then. I think that you know about now been going on from a long time ago. You know just a lot of stuff being exposed and at that time you know it was a good time you know what i mean. <hes> <hes> especially in the black community on that camp black black exportation movie you know blackadder lead money then you know it was a happy time you know and it was a time when you know excuse me officers you know take five or ten dollars. You know man just to you know he had no problem roundabout you doing what you deal with the girl figure wetness business. You know what i mean. She went complaining to watch it. He you know so it was that kind of i would very respectful inspector on our where we used to go by the station and take the debt side whole cates a champagne. You know even the campaign you know i used into feed the less fortunate of few to say you're gonna need money man why you don't wanna you'd say i don't know i just did it. You know i mean back to school. Ooh for kids on a east about some our easter basket and give out <hes> thanksgiving by turkeys and give out. I mean i'm not the kind of thing i have been doing for over forty five year then the matter of fact twenty nineteen next sunday <hes> labor day weekend can i'm having to play a picnic where we're giving back to school. Supply them back to the kids. I believe in giving back you you know and ditches my way to give back to sometimes feel like you are a rare kind soul in this profession in the sense that it's the type of job that typically most people who go into a don't have the best intentions and your sort of like the rare exceptions of that in that you came into the game with more of a moral code and you were approaching for the right reasons if you if you're saying data fewer call you know what i mean you know like i say many of call few are chosen. Yes i feel that i am chosen. Why i feel that deeply than where you spoken i. I have felt that for quite a while. Now i mean and i have been shown that kind of vision based on the sort of thing that i do that. A normal pinette pinette time wouldn't do so now. It's catching up with me to get a better understanding because an eighty five god showed me a vision the agent that if i didn't give up dead life that i wouldn't live. He showed me that some drastically was gonna happen to me like the police gonna. Don't kick the f._b._i. Matter we're going to break in and rob. He would be so strong that i could see that. If i didn't change my life it was gonna be over so i haven't eighty-five god show me to end apartment made me realize that he do really do. I mean i respected. Everybody wish i had a grandmother but i would pimp out the number one guy you know i wasn't into it like that so god show mitch fan. If one night made me believe that he really doing this i will try to watch television one night and every station turn to what the religious station sir vandalised who's speaking and no matter what turn it just seemed to hit me and and and wanted to abandon this like he looked at me. Dan said i see somebody who had who have just been saved and and he was looking dead me so you know because i didn't know what experience what's happening. I never expanded power god. I never thought of it coming into my life but he told me get rid of my we my p._c._p. And carla girl then tell him that. I don't want them to go on the streets. No carla girl the nate said had y that. I don't know but god don't want me to do it. No i call my mother and i said to my mother mother yet been say gee say call the pre. She gave me a number to preach a practice chevy into true testimony around and i call this number and i said proud to sherry sorry i've been saved and he said i know it and i mean it was like wow we just like somebody was confirmative timid that this what was taking place in my life and man after that and you know to convert and happened here in california you know like i say i'm from chicago. Also a native five i left california went back to chicago. <hes> jaundice by school called moody bible institution. It not ought to buy school in the country and man it's a made the nate took me and at first i wasn't going to take me and they couldn't understand why would apparently walking around in the school on a john by the school and the lady that she said i would have never read this to you a niche school. She's she said never watched t._v. On sunday after church but i walked into the house and they had the new broadcast on that this p._m. Don why had given his life to god. It was on the news. When you first yeah yeah yeah yeah you know big nose and things you know i've been on there for for show and <hes> but show oh and all india testify by my convergence and the i've been all over the contrast in college jade and kademi than sorority given even to testimony been there done net. That's why become snoop dogg's adviser. Who is there a certain point. Where you sort of started to realize is oh my the fact that i've lived this life and that i can talk about it and that people are interested in hearing me talk about it that that is a very marketable double thing and that you could do all the things that you've been able to do where you basically could you know without having to take on the risk of actually living that life you'd be able to go out and be able to tell people about that life and someone like me all the you know. Thirty years later would be fascinated to be sitting here having a conversation with you. Is there a time period when that sort of started to occur to you whereas the amazing that it occurred to me as time as i was involved in the game you know it was like back at times i wanted to retire but for some reason to girls would let me retire trying to find a way way i can make us proffer forbath quitting a gang and it just didn't happen and you know have to happen not considered a blessing that god came into my life because you know at a time it was such a conviction to where one of the girls i had without working one day and you know like i said i had girls and not why didn't allow today blacks okay. That was the role where that was my rou because you didn't want him to get them wrapped up with some cool as dewes though we're going to not over the reminder not only that but you know there's more troubling of black is over sexual what black they want more money sometime. They take the money back. You know they do a lot of things sometime to the girls so an and i didn't want to having a boyfriend sneaking up on getting sound for free you know okay so men men and my dad but in a way the story goes and this is a true story she had been with me for something like seven eight years and <hes> she was up there working at even the guy pull up on an act a ton of data and she refused to date him and he shot defied time he shot twice in the head and of the three in nevada and everything and this happened right before you decided to stop or went into a stand on you know the time that i've been by independent game. You know it is just it's one thing that happened you know to some of the war store that really seriously take played in that light from the girl really make sacrifice and risk they live and thanks for the make that you know the main such that to have what he wants to you know so she was shot. It was the issue would rush to the hospital. I knew newton about it too. You know i was contact through my sister that that can play the system minded always going bond girl though you you know and do the things that i be accented to do so <hes> man how went to the hospital and here she would girl laid up with to divert away a i mean barely could move cardia shot at twice a day and the other three shots in the body and wanted to five and sony stepped up in you know her mother was there and how sister and she looked up at me and she said daddy i wish i can get up with is bad and go get your money. Her mother looked at me and a maiden said what have you done to my daughter right. That's ma'am ma'am nothing that just pure dedication d'etat dedicated the female would in that pimp gang doing that air. I mean i'd had one one girl would get shot in the leg. Come home change we w went our way through nurse to won't tied up and go right back to debt kind of dedication. A lot of people would hear that and think what did you have them brainwashed or something because what could possibly be important enough to go and like you know yeah. We all need money money but it's like if you get if you just got shot in the leg than reason realistically. It's probably a safe time to take time off the thing that i'm explaining to you about the dedication indeed female beat at dedication today man that they are willing to risk their lives debt important to her that she see that she we do everything possible to make that man number one in that fear and when they dedicate it if it means debt because one thing about what it is you couldn't say a female brainwash because one thing about it is <hes> prostitutes are very intelligent because they have to go and car and and go into me and pocket go up under the seat go into the glove compartment have sex with him and do all of that by the time they go round block and always say if a female wall sterility leave you promise me she willia- area and she can because anytime a female get in a car and can ride and go spent ten fifteen twenty minute and come back. She wanted to come back. It wouldn't by force by her chart. She could aleph but isn't that kind of the whole game. When you're in a business is that you have to sort of you have to create incentives to make these girls fall in line with what you want them to be doing to for them to do unrealistic stick things that might not be in their best interest like go fuck dude for money right after getting shot where the thing about it is and you know. This is truly the pimp gang you know. Some people are so made by me saying it but most involved in a gang or heard about it. No it's true you know one thing about so you have to create. Some fear in the female is not gonna work unless you create some fear in a row. She must have some kind on a fear of you and when it comes time and the thing about it. She's gonna try to find out. Do you really mean what you you say if you say it. I'm going to kill you if you lead a stroll if you do this. If you don't get me my money i've i never had to fight my girl by getting money. They never had a problem about that. They wanted to do it more than i wanted him to do. It right you know but if you what little i wanted to finish it but when it comes to the time that you have to check them you told her us going killer. Do you know you got the whoa part two where she thank you about the killer what she would say daddy. Please don't kill me like you say you were gonna. I wanna do it get to that ria to what you fill it that she almost that the brink of death and then you do you know that same female would get up doc cleanup nerf in wound. Get dressed and go out there and get you the biggest bankroll you ever saying but i think the problem is is that a lot of people people see it as immoral to have somebody in your life that is working for you because they're scared that you're gonna kill them. That's the part that i got a struggle doug away because even if you didn't realistically plan on killing them it just seems like it would be hard for me to wake up in the morning and know that that's the kind of business that i'm running okay. Let let me explain that statement. You just may and this is true game. If you ask a pimp blaming the truth this what some people think the roddy that if you don't put your hand on her xiang thank you love. She gonna not do everything she can't upset you and tear. You put your hand on a dan. She gonna believe you love if you you don't hit her if you don't skull she gonna fear like she being used. Dan see a woman wants to feel a needed and wanted so if you just go dude it and you don't care about nothing she do. You ain't checking before she fear miss. You miss is treated and not want it. She gonna do somethin' something. I don't care if you two mile guy. Were she know how to get up on the yo scan and do something to make you put hands on and when you do dan she said dad i love you but is it the line of work that you really we are only interested in working with people who are with women who have that kind of mentality where they <hes> they almost want to be abused used as a as a sign that they're being loved like is it primarily the women they end up working with primarily people that have been abused that they have that sort of miscalculated in their brain where they feel alike abuses love. No i would say that because just like in this profession it's full fashion. Calls for women and women's are in awe. Oh can of profession doctors nurtured lawyers and i say in testified that damn of dead nature have and and some capacity have been a process a to may be a low number <hes> and and based on what you say yes a lot of those have been in abusive family that into prostitution but the date income into dependent life to be via byu they came into because they wanted something that they father dan. Give him some love. I want another mail order or they won't dead luxury life that they see that gold and life date see you know day coming in because of that because if there was the firts intention then it wouldn't take plates that that number would be growled all mode <hes> zero percentage like that you know you invited in because the style the flair that glamour that seidman i told my girls i was taking them to hollywood which were the most exciting thing they probably could have heard at that tie and idea debt to have a pump to do what he say. Go do demotes exciting thing to prostitute looming. Ask you this because there's a whole scale from you know you could be turning twenty dollar tricks to you know go girls that are getting two thousand an hour too high in escorting of while you were in the game that you mostly gravitate towards one end of the spectrum or the other will see a maintenance thing about my gang. I'm glad i would brush with the game that i had the number number. One in the country and in a pimp gang up here wanted prostitute to be a thief and what i mean by that. Is you know flat-backed. It's considered consider though that jeff prostitute for money no still no none and when i had girls when you come to choose me you would have to do at least three hundred handed night just start now. If you never did nothing at all but see it's so important to have a prostitute that know how to steer because see she can go in the pocket. Take the money out. She can take to watch his offer these kind of things that make proper when he able to have a prostitute duties duties kinda thing yeah you got some prostitutes that got us on drew digest do hundred dollars now day and had a pimp gang go you got prostitutes brought to and i had prostituted some night that mike come in with ten thousand robin no not robin steelers. You know l. Trick my have money up under the seat right and the trunk array of products do gone searched the whole cobb before she let him go. If he looked prosperous they bring home. God nine droves. All kinds of things called gav have different things police bad. All kind of thing is like when you go to a restaurant restaurant. They don't make most of their money off of the food. They make most of their money up drinks. You're not making money off the off of what you're saying. Is you not focus on a date because you get in the door but then you up sell them but you don't really young man already it there steer you you use in your sex just to get attention. You're not enjoying this at all did the main to like put him to sleep to get his mind off what he's thinking about so that you can continue to search and look around jurij lee anything that you man would want and bring it back home and give it to him but it does not where it gets complicated where you guys coming back to kill. The girls shit like that where one thing about it is that had happened but the girl smart smart enough to know to go home chain. We change clothes and go on out. The stroll seated thing about it. When a guy me what a stroll i'd say in in a way you sit you gerrad <unk> thing about a pimp he can open and closed on any corner when he get ready so find nothing going on on a go down to the next corner. It's too much heat on the corner here. Go over to the neck products. Go to the north. I go to the outside. They ban any way you put your girl if she qualified to we know how to work them streets and flag them. Let me ask you. This is the game all fucked up now because if you go to a major <hes> metropolitan area. It seems like they're very aware of love where people are selling drugs where people are selling pussy and they're. They're smarter now. They're on top of it. They got cameras. That got cost watching those areas. The game has changed a lot right where the the thing about it in just like it have been from day one you know to me day more <hes> alert to its semester when it come time for voting and elections you know what i mean. He did a pick on a pamphlet easy to pick on a prostitute easy to pick on a girl they left either to pick on a rob or you know d- things to boot you know your political. Thank you know what i mean like that but you know like i said well we spoke about a one time what uneven noted but it'd become issue because he become a political thing with all of this traffic traffic not so much a drug tracker but humid traffic you know what i mean and all of the different things that go on on about people like we know like r kelly and then like the billionaire f._d._a. Molly thing bringing some hearts attention to you know a very sad situation at been gone on a long time but you know like i that's a lot of things that are coming to light the gang it messed up and individuals you know different strokes for different folks and then like i said a a lot of female ahead ron to the strip club lot of female working internet websites and you know a lot of female. Eh dawn drugged it. A lot of different things happen to had deterred the sears pimping you know to me it's still going on and they still don't contended intended to go on and to somebody turn the lights out on its mall ronnie because man's go continue to by women it had to beat some guys gone up to tell a woman to go yeah you know what i mean because someone is need teaching and that needs something in life they want to provide for the family for our kids and don't know how muslims go out there and they give it away and come home with a sloppy kuti and no money and still need bread on the table a need they rent pay the woman go at their know how to you know what i mean. Open league. I had women's that were standing low fifty below zero weather and the need deep snow if d below fifty below what a mini skirt on with pantyhose would a split in the mid seven seven and eight hours a day saturday body sears daddy. It is not like that today so many opportunity. I mean like i tayla guide today. We gotta tell it like it is okay like i tell the guy today man they lose and by two women women are catching mo- female then guys <hes> the the day gather not so concerned about female like they used to some guy now won't translate and they do women a lot of women turn and to be women and you know a lot of these things against a gang so we've about it confused so nothing really working out right and kind of profession rich. They don't need us like they used to. Where that's what i'm saying you know what i mean because it's so many opportunities to do a lot of things even like when a guy we're doing company had to check ekka female. You're talking about him. Put his hands on her. You know but you can't even do that j._d. Is definite and no no is like you know murder beef aw mode when it was called really like a mile domestic split del up through our did say real kiss and make up nine become a big thing. Thank you put your hands on a female. You know i know a lot of girls who basically are making you know high five figures some of them even six figures. Here's a month off of their private sap chats where basically may never have to even leave the house. They don't have to go to the strip club. They don't have to walk down the street. They can be in the house. They hook up with other girls. They hook up with their boyfriend. Maybe hook up with some other male porn star. They know whatever they do it all on their phone. Nobody takes a cut besides you know pay pal or some shit shit with where that the thing that's going on. You know people trying everything you know what i mean to make some money and a lot of new doors opening up for for them to be able to do such a thing you know but all of the thing is not like a pimp days when it was such a sore secretive. You know people know like these chick thank. They get away with talkin slick. Pay me or something like holidays has been documented. If the lake get big enough the government would be knocking economic dough unanimity saying really doing that than slick that experience where i was gonna bus drugs like i was buying some lean or something and then having a cash cash on my shit. I'll be right back. I'm gonna go to the a._t._m. The guys like what you don't got van while on the oh yeah i do have them. It was like he he was. He clearly lee sells way more drugs on then mail through his phone than actual cash like he could be outside and drugs all day and come back with no cash in hand where see the retire. Is you know what i mean like. They say you become your biggest customer. Do not i may <unk>. That sort of thing. Happening ain't nothing to show you know. Let me ask you this. Do you ever wake up in the morning and just wanna put a hoodie on. I felt like your style addresses like a very big part of the image that is mad hoodie. Yeah just you know it was as wear a t shirt. You dressed up everyday. I'd be ready man. I like to be suited and booted yeah man. I just might have to see some high tide and they said let's go to the wedding. I don't want to let i gotta go home to get changed. Let's go to ready to go. I like to stay ready so i'll have to get ready. You know and the thing about anything thing like i did a thing on my social media to diwan showy consistent. You have to be consistent. You know a lot of people today are giving up you know so amazing to me to see so many homeless and they're not old. People not seek people. They're not lame anything. You know what i mean helped strong young young people homeless. You know what i mean it something wrong something going on somewhere here and you know it's a problem and it just seemed to be a growing. I mean one time we've seen it with elderly people now you see so many young pre bomb and not only that sore sada hurt in itself being bullied and to kill a nay seventies kind of thing these stained we might fight again because still we have to help children children because i say i wouldn't want to be a child a day taken all of butte saddle no way and wide have to be but most kids are being murdered in kiev like adults have been killed. Most kids are going to prison. Jail like mozart doors would do i mean kids are just taken knockin upside the head and nobody to be able to rescue under insane to be a trend where is okay for sixteen yield go new life in prison knows body crying nothing about it it becoming the noah reverts compassion would love and understand to believe in an sadness and franken and no honesty and loyalty have become deterrent and pre-processed satisfy would would it today and they don't wanna stand just like the technology a social media it can hurt like it can hip but folks weekend in going through is saying to weaken them more and more and more because you're going to social media looking for support in in their situation and is not there there become friends with a computer in the individual lesson people. There's not a har de yeah people are not who they post to be so don't y'all fall for that church preach cavern aca cook yeah like what is the dan the life of mastodon likely. What do you concern yourself with. These are aw right. Now you know every day you know and the deal. The bishop wanted exciting. Dave man you know wake up. You know thank god route. I wake up you mostly around six o'clock of them. You know like i'm trying to go to work from one time in life six o'clock i never seen it so oh you know alway tantalum montoya since he says the caucasus w what's most time you know what i mean yeah out there with him girl automate checking that trap and you know what i mean i told a story about decide bought obeying and had fixed all up stove inside of did you know everything sleeping quarters all that and i used to have a rottweiler and i will use to destroy and i would crack. The one girl dropped the money. I wouldn't worry about people trying to break in cut the rock y you get close to the van. It'd be like he eaten up to one you know i'll be in the back behind the curtain <unk> chila about five or six like it's a girl bee through jump into van. We roll along home. Check that paper right. You never thought about getting involved in the porn business. Nah snoopy at a video for haas land thing that could have appeared in but ah i wouldn't rely on a dan like that and you know if i did you know do from narrating. You know what i mean. I wanna make significant <hes> dea form. I don't gollner game the don juan without that during the opportunity to do you know i note some girl that are involved in that and also some of the a guy than some of the people that run have been you know i would friend the recipe <unk> bunny rat good friend. I've been over there a few you tag yeah what have legalized sector yeah yeah it would always hear about. That was the documentary when i was a kid about that. Nobody just kinda makes us to me because it's like you were involved in the illicit illegal side of things for so long and then at a certain point. It's kinda like like i interviewed a this guy. Oh oh god why like light selling weed and then we become league not get leaguer yeah yeah you know like porn world. We'd now. I know to me but i know what you mean being involved involved in debt entertainment pot of sexual activity. It seemed like it would be only right. Just like you said my had life. It's a different journey. I didn't know what i was gonna. Do mold guys get stuck in the gang. You don't know what you're gonna. Do how you going to survive survive after that. I did know i thank god that he showed me another way because i didn't know what i was going to do before you get into what you did did in eighty five hundred stop pinton where you really fucked up off the p._c._p. And how is that affecting your game as a human being it was affecting my game because my girl that were bled my girl we would <hes> i would say hardcore p._c._p. Make it into weed and and take the wheat and put it on. Don't we all know but you know. The girl got a list. <hes> addicted to it. They would go in dies bach. Get it. You didn't put some water in. I and all that a dip it you know with sharman stick. They were going to have it so it would affect in my game where to cabdriver told me man i can't take your oh girl to work no more mandak to crater jumping out the kyw sick to my than our her one girl we went into a liquor store and she went into free. Reason wouldn't come out. You know kind of thing. I mean it and one of my best friends that were the series champ what he did is. He parked his limousine and the block the car wash told us to dowana where where my code adding everything locked the ball to store shot hit baby mama where fortify shot his baby had a baby some fruits era and shot the baby with a three fifty seven magnate blue to baby head off and a shot itself in a way he did this just because he was so fucked up sherm alpha capri c. p. What's you know kaffee p._c._p. Lose a nation that you do what you do but you still beat at amar like you do what you do that you ain't did it gives you that kind of lose your nation you know and so and this guy you know and now we've been on each other over. Fifteen years would pimping but he wanted maleness. Throw the first time i went wow now you know so it was a made then and they call me and i got there just at the police with bringing them out and i went up i seen it you had him cover but i went up in the house and it was like one hundred freddie. Krueger mover was everywhere but the thing about it. The bullet knocked out to girl she. She didn't know what the the girlfriend or why didn't she didn't die so she survived survived. Oh my god and as a matter of fact to with pregnant and the daughter just hit mill social media said if you have any pictures the matt daddy afam let me sam pregnant with my mother at the time to guy said. I didn't even know that holy shit. That must be weird to to know that your father my killed your sister and and did all this terrible stuff but it wasn't really him. It was just the drugs had him. In the state of mind here time might have then a great guy the rest of the of a lot. I mean that error and like i said that's proud of that affected my gang me myself. I didn't do it like the very modest that it but it would people around me that were doing that. You would feel if i walked in that time. He my would've killed me gene. You know what i mean but he had in mind all set up. I guess what he wanted to do but he didn't like. I said pizza. You're thinking you didn't undo what you did. He go right now the baby go and mama leavenworth that horror and y. It's amazing that is terrible. Holy share <hes> okay. So what what did you start to do to earn a living wants. You turn away from the pimp game. And how did you sort of get out of that lifestyle. Because i'm sure is visited kept following. You and i'm sure that like the types of people that you had been around. Were still gravitating towards you right no question about it. Is you know i was considered number one and i. You're still considered the life of the party. You know what i mean not only that the prostitutes steer wanted to stay but i had made the transition but the main thing some tried to beat. Are you know dan. It was an amazing thing from my family because we were fussing cuts and kind of family when i made the convert and it really brought our family together it would really what my mother had been praying for you know and it would've made turner avocado. My family had become a choi- or sha than a church and my mother become the mother and the way had a great ministry and you know girls up couldn't keep up with it you know god and cowdrey tribe but he you know what net dedication to that they wanted to occur god because i had been the whole oh life for fifteen twenty year. That's i'm you know you would be with one girl for that long. She would be with me. I wouldn't be wonder added minute seven one in town thinking in my head. You're going to have a girl for six months and the she's gonna move on on average now. There were a lot longer term commitments man edgar dead and even you know the pervasive period i mean you don't really give a prostitute rare rope and knife add after three years after she show you three year the rio dedicating end you might buy by car under my get on apartment and you know start giving live you know rome you know to move around into fame because he of shoda doc trustworthy. You know you become a one woman type of guy once. He left the game. I never been a one woman type akao. We'd been considered a lady man yeah. I've been having more than one woman since i were ten year. Though you know what i mean it started then you know though i got my first pizza thank because the babysitter did you not a man told me don't tell nobody you know right so at ten years ago. I had two girls in the hallway kissing them both to see which one want. I really wanted to be my fisker. My big sister caught up in the hall. Slap me upside and told me to get in and told other girls get home you you know but that was the beginning of something that had always been a part of me. I've been married. Watch you know marat dedicated to my wife but always on the main man you know what i mean. Women always been deaf from you know from my mother all the way up today. How do you keep the energy level so hot because i'm gonna be honest. My dad is the same age as you and i am yeah. You're sixty nine right now. So you got a lord. I be date and <hes> november okay. My pops is sixty nine just turned sixty nine and when i look at him i'm like man. This guy is not moving moving at the same pace as a as many don juan where the thing about it. Is you know how strongly keep god in my life. You know what i mean and our had been like i said <unk> that's dressed in. Honor may not try not to be under too much strain. You know what i mean. I tried to take everything calm cool and in collective and you know my john is give out what i know. You know what i mean like i feel i'm blessed to be a blessing and that's my daily daily janis to give somebody knowledge. That's why do my social media everyday because people say man. I needed at thank you that because they know they're getting it from a raya one more than in it made you got the always read my captain. You know bobby laying down from the right and so you you know that's very effective so i continue to do it on social media so for no lights anything hit anything like that because one one thing about it is i don't follow it to people neth my son magic wand and snoop dogg so it ain't about people about me you know given out dimension admitted to not tell people don't were about to one. You know what i mean domestic to enjoy the message. Don't worry about me. Delivering enjoy what i deliver deliver you know and i give out some power for information and lack of snow believe that i saved his life that i made a different his life. You know another that i've done that in their lives have been a you know i touched many lives than an attainment bid <hes> justin street people in general way what why does snoop said that you saved his life because i changed this thinking. When you change your thinking you can change your your life really yeah you know and you know he said he came from gains to to the playoffs. That was a change of thought you know and she island thing got. It is and and other than being against him being played. You have more time to get him on the sand and thought about situation that thing that you thought affected too dead that night you can really walk over because you understand them. A limo and steve did that kind of thing and you know what i mean to save them being grown own of being a man. You know what i mean. What a family you know what i mean. That's interesting because we when we think about snoop forget if you met him in ninety nine his komo i'd say ninety six ninety six okay so yes even a bit earlier but i mean snoop was more in that sort of gangster type of that sort of more how we thought about and then there was a transition that sorta happened late nineties where he kinda changed his image or style maybe even who he was kicking around and stuff. Did you identify that yeah. Where would it word. Did you know what i mean to be live more understanding about the situation you know of california. Did you know what i mean. It was a lot of you know. Decryption ripped blood and nickname banging sort of situation so you know most of the guy united just try to stay strong tha that situation and it's new just wanted them minna vigil that was gonna continue to stand tau. You know what i mean. He loved the cartoon the strong part of the culture. You know what i mean buddy the d._a. Wants you on the standard that you know you can help to cut in-depth. What's new got understanding from me that he could help to cut you know. Would it forced us to be research. We can love one another weekend. Fellowship one another to where you know me being this new would bring in like invited like you know blows to his house we all fellowship in and talking because you have to understand in we're tied of dam would damn at man would just title and once they got on the stand that they know that it would more that they could do business together that they can work out the thing together. You know what i mean. Just like you see the biggest blow jn <hes> nifty. You know hustle to me how that explosion have brought so many different individuals together. Even you know what i mean given snooped on extending the pullout more love and to the community because you know death what it need it need that understanding the need that love affirmative zone. You know to be to reach out to these individuals to make dead different. It's new sane that in me when i got what snoop dogg he would run or would like a hundred people are not told him. I'd say you can't do it. Champ is draining very drained and and you know especially of the hundred people in they wouldn't given till you. I mean you know you create a very anything but more like taken away in a drain you and you know one day we wind up on hollywood boulevard manhattan together and he just got out style walkabout the note security. I say why then this amazing. It's new. It's been a journey form and i'm glad to be a part of his journeyman from something like over twenty years you know i mean watching him from you. Know what i mean become a grand dad. You know what i mean and watching his kids grow up being you know his journey would in my toured with him all all over the country. You know you know every day. We was like together. You know i gave him a nada. A lot of knowledge a lot of people probably thought that i would be in which he married man would be saying something like don't go home but mindful and would go home snoop goby which your wife go cold air because you know one thing. I realized that i learned that you know what i mean. What you you got at home. Everything in st don't seem to be important. Don't seem to be excite right people chain. They switch up on you. Dan who've nothing for them to rob your happening if anything you law all that so they stopped the disappear and it happened happened to a lot of <hes> but i would glad i was able to be powdered influence attest to stay strong in it right at surely translate yeah. You know don trump layer. I know he'd tell us new. Do whatever na <hes> mind floor so. What do you think when you look at a young guy who you know maybe blowing up as a rapper like look at drake dragon but he's clearly really for like ten years as this mega-celebrity he's been with a million girls doesn't seem like he's ever really had something in that series but we've always looked at that situation and been like drake. You should should be with arianna. You should do the jay z. Thing and just find your fiance. Do you think you think that someone is kinda. Unhappy inherently when they're just running around fucking every girl they meet what one thing about it. I know dri personally invited birthday as a matter of fact t._m._z. couldn't get any pitch and they i want my picture becomes <hes> what his name take your phone one hour leonardo dicaprio would take pitcher nobody but he did with me with me and they and they couldn't take winter mapo to get a picture but it was draped bert potter. It father was dead in its graham which i gave the diwan <hes> want lifetime achievement award at the twenty team player in him got along yeah see my dentist. You know good friends but the thing about it it you you know in the beginning. I love the new rapidly at the you know what i mean but it's a good thing jury and join us f you know exciting time just like snoop continue tale you <hes> i think early on even like i could tell you the pimp gang excited. You know what i mean. You know right now drake them. They steal excited. They still young man. They still filling naoto. Say cheerio they doing a thing is a beautiful thing and they create and good music and and they being paid but the thing that i hate about some of the rapper you know what i mean. I think that you can take this should be a lesson learned. What should night that you can't take this kind of mentality into being a to the rap game these people given you millions of dollars and you you and enable that somebody killing somebody buying drug and you run in your career you doing fifty years in prison and these kinds of things and it's affecting your family and your friend that is not just the thought about you. I know you grown. I know you get your money. You can do your own thing. Nobody can tell you what to do but you hurt yourself and some of y'all got got to quit it man. Enjoy your career be able to make your family happy. Make yourself happy so many yala unhappy out there unhappy unhappy in your home with your girl which job and you're doing different things affecting alive. You gotta quit because he heard me. A career wants wants. You become intended that you become an audit. Its bid and there's no more about gang banging no more about that street. Life is about ah pencil and paper and that's what you see you pay no attention and death why moti y'all get hurt by that paper. Nobody had to hit you. You get your words alexa from pencil and paper so pay attention now so you think dripstone streets too much no. I don't think the industry too much. I think he having a great a time. I think he earned it. You know what i mean. It's been established that he is wanted top audits <hes> this generation domain so yeah he ship jim phillips zero he should enjoy. I you know i love chris. Brown enjoyed yourself man. You know make money but the thing about it is to to help somebody. Please have somebody. I know. Ya'll doing things you know what i mean but it's so many people that you know that you can help. They might not even deserve but they in your community from what you come manteo with toe. Y'all know what it is. Your egg like your never been broke. Folks <hes> on otago in the neighborhood and reach out. I don't get j._d. Man diddy you know rig raw. You know what i mean. We've got to help man in the committee. Yeah you can donate to charity. I knew all of them kind of thing but i promise you don't reach down on jackson street in gary indiana. You got to go somewhere. You know what i mean. Give out. You know what i mean. Do it yourself. Pick a neighborhood you come from and by somebody on ned block everybody growth for y'all can stand it prey. Everybody give melissa relief. If you can do this dude that you know what i mean you you got. No you can't help everybody and it ain't meant for you to help everybody but you been blessed so you can be a blessing multiple have more money than they need. They dying and leaving money. You know to trustee then charity than different things. So why are you here. You ain't got to go all the way crawled seed and over there they have you. You can have right in these community people right there in chicago. Madison media up right here in los angeles on crenshaw need help. You know we can hip yo but don't forget next sunday now september playoff picnic. It's going down because i was going to ask what kind of the entrepreneurial ventures you're currently involved in before. We have to wrap this in view well. I got a second print to my life storybook out with some new pictures and their uncle <hes> also i've been you know working in talking to different individuals about a documentary <music> on my life story spoke to be a duke about bringing it to the service scream what we need to do to get that down. We had add footage. You know we're looking for investors that you know <hes> we would like for to go to the big screen not know netflix or nothing like that that i'm surprised that they took dolemite to netflix. I thought it should have been on the big screen. Yes eddie murphy. I thought that i mean but you know came on netflix connotes already <hes> but i like for my life store to be a on a big screen monitor. I surely believe i gotta store detail day. Inherit half of original'mine been there done that but my greatest thing is to be able to have somebody that's what i want to be known for and that's what i continue to do. I know so a lot of people. Just you know what i mean. Oh my pimping and all my plan and all my and that man my child of god and you know what i mean. Let me sadist so we wrap up. Can i tell my lip home town. Tell ya before we even get into that what the players balls like man anything thinking about play about twenty nineteen this year's november thirty db in hollywood and pig and welzer right after my birthday yeah fourth as bertha saliva salau which i had to tear on the flyer. I'll come through yeah. I'm gonna make sure that happened. You hit hollywood. Put him on the flyer. Give my info hollywood yeah yeah. You know we won't do it together. She celebrate. I bring the cake. You brian got any white guys on the bill right man. You just say not tell you the russian guy. Hey one player of the year man. We got plenty of why you look at the d._v._d. You'll see mr white folks in there. Oh wow okay name. The mr the white folk yeah. There's some white pants man. You know i'll even know of you know the radio personnel man cow he'd been to the play of baugh in the year. Oh yeah he warned play at a year so i'm gonna come through. I gotta come through official too far code. I gotta have my girl looking sexy all of that all of that and then you know you'd be surprised. Another girl might choose. You should tell my girl you're out here. We just bought a house house together but ceiling together that very so you the threesome champ what your main john a lot of threesomes today. Is that something so. You're just real man. I did one plus epsom. Threesome man come on man. Do you know how much funding would come on man and got six six seven girl into bed. What you can do anything you want to fantasy why them make them do what you wanna do. Old thing you know may on that was made and they didn't care about what they wanted to have it your way. My burger game man the real king king chicken land. Let's poem i go. I tell you a lot. You know. We're all going through. Some report lay degraded craig dominate on know what to do. Everybody needs something. I don't try to put jesus godoy. Anybody joe decision accepted her exact but hit upon far from knox bishop gone matter wa was from the hard riches here. We go whatever problem <unk> era. 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Now sports talk on seven hundred WWL W. let's get to it six. Oh, nine seven hundred wwl W! This is sportstalk I'm Lance McAlister three hours to unfold a lot of ground to cover his always between now and nine o'clock. Let's get to it. We start with yesterday. Sad News, the passing of a bengals legend Kenny Riley passing away at the age of seventy two, he played more games than any player in franchise history. He intercepted sixty five passes fifth most in NFL history three time all pro a went on to be an assistant coach in the NFL head coach. It is all moderate floored. Floored am later the athletic director there we're going to spend some time tonight getting perspective from his teammates, and have them share memories of Kenny Riley and his greatness, both on the field, and off the field as a player in his person, and let's start off with another Bengal legend. Himself always a pleasure to spend a few minutes with Ken Anderson Kenny I. I wish we were talking a better circumstances, but thanks for checking in tonight. Well, thanks for having me Lance, you know truly a sad day, and it was a shocking moment when I got the word yesterday Kennedy passed away. Tell Bengal. Fans who remember him as a player? Tell us a little bit about him as a person as a teammate. May just class. I mean. He is. One of the few players I can think of that everybody likes. You know he was always there for everyone and you know I. Think and I've seen comments. You talk from Curtis. Chris Collins Worth. That when they practice against him every day, they he made them better. you know as a situation where you know you run around. It's here's what's tipping off you know and he really helped makes better players. He made me better quarterback going against him every day that you'd better be on top of your game and he picked me off more than I'd like to remember. I tell them for fans who who never got a chance to see him I tell him about Kenny. The football player on the field. While you know he was a guy that was pretty successful. Small College quarterback at Florida Am and Paul Brown. You know, put them over and put on the defensive side of the football and he was such a great athlete. Five eleven six foot, one hundred ninety pounds, you know, but all of a sudden he'd never played the position before by the middle of his rookie season. He's the starting quarterback quarterback. You know in the NFL and just the the consummate pro and I think when especially when you listen to guys like is it? Can Chris talking about it, you know He. His technique was so perfect. You know the thing I guess I remember most. Is You know? Don't throw it him. Lead the ball a little bit high because he's GonNa. He's GonNa Undercut that water receiver. He's on his head and that was kind of his signature. Move. You know it's funny. I! Heard I've heard a lot of people say something similar in terms of his football Iq and his preparation for. Games was just off the charts. You know and reading things today and there they've been everywhere. You know honoring Kenny today, but. I guess his kids in his family still have his notebooks that he took notes on every receiver that he went against national football they get. That was the kind of preparation. You know that he had and I think it was maybe an advantage for him. That you know. He had played quarterback in high school and college, and maybe he saw defensive back a little bit of a quarterback standpoint as well that helped him anticipate what he wanted to do. Kenny was he what? A quiet guy was one of those classic guys who let his play just speak for himself. A leader on the football team, but a quiet leader. You know when he has something to say the guys listen and and you learned a lot from him by watching the way that he did things. You know I guess the the biggest to play the him say to him is that he was the consummate pro and the way that he played the way that he practiced away, he prepared. When was the last time you had a chance to talk with him? What not too long ago as a matter of fact, we were working out details of me to go down. He asked Charity Golf Tournament. down in Florida. That was excited to go playing this year. A lot of former players you know what we're going to go down there, and unfortunately, because the copay nineteen that had to be cancelled and. I was talking to him. I say listen. We've had some been canceled. Can you come up to my legend's dinner that we're going to have in in the fall? Up after a bengals game, so we were Kinda you know working on on those things and you know and and and my wife Kristen just talking about we had such a great weekend just a couple years ago. When they had the fiftieth anniversary, and a lot of guys came in, and and he and his family came in the same weekend that we were up there, and we got to spend a lot of time with him, and his family were in the same hotel, and and doing a lot of things that weekend and you know just brought back a lot of great memories of what a great point! What a great person! He was Kenny Anderson. Check it in tonight. lead off the show talking about it, sharing memories of Ken Riley who passed away yesterday at the age of seventy two. It jumps out to me that the two hundred seven games most in franchise. Franchise History Fifteen. Seasons and even Kennedy in his last season at age thirty six, he still had eight more interceptions in two touchdowns on returns that year unbelievable. You know how well he played throughout his career. You know I played sixteen years, but the last year and a half I'm of a backup and and Kenny played this a starter right to the end, but you know I think more importantly. You've got to look back in sixty five interceptions in a career fifth, most in NFL history before guys in front of him on the whole thing, the two guys behind him earn the hall of fame. But why is he not in the hall of fame? and. I. Go back to what you said about the fact that it. It still blows me away. He was he was a sixth round pick. He had been a quarterback, so the vision of Paul to switch positions with and in the ability of Ken to adapt, not just adapt become one of the best in the game after changing positions. But that's that's him. What can I do to make the team better? It wasn't about him it was. About the team and You know all of a sudden you know and nineteen eighty one year at the end of your career. Jimmy comes this you know these two receivers number, one number, two David Bursar and Chris Collins word. You know and you may think a guy. His Age is is trying to survive in training camp. Instead of trying to survive, he's telling these guys. What's tipping off and making them back players and like I said he was, he was all about team. This was this was fun I I? Love hearing the stories and I wanted to make sure tonight. Fans who knew him heard more stories and fans who didn't heard stories about the the impact he had player. He was in the person he was, and it means a lot. shared those tonight and always good catching up with you. Could be with you. Please call me again. You got it. Thanks Kenny take care. All right there. You go get Anderson. one Bengal legend, talking about another age of seventy two yesterday again two hundred and seven games over fifteen years final season at the age of thirty six eighteen interceptions, and two of those returned to the House for touchdowns, and there's just you look at, and there's so much more to to Ken Riley the than the numbers, but it is hard to to not just have your eyes gravitate to sixty five interceptions fifth, all-time fourth most when he retired, and if you pull up his football reference page. Page. The interceptions year by year look like this four, four, five, three, two, five, six, nine, two, three, one, three, five, five eight. I mean think of that, even if the back in his career ages thirty, four, thirty, five, thirty six, he's picking off. Five passes five passes. Eight passes was an assistant coach Forrest Gregg in in Green Bay. Packers coach has a mentioned at Florida. AM head coach there for I? Believe eight seasons. Yeah, eight seasons he won to mid Eastern Athletic Conference titles and was a two time conference coach of the year. later on in this hour. This is kind of just the start of things after the bottom of the hour. Dave lappam's going to check in with stories just after seven o'clock Anthony Moon Munoz is going to check in with stories, and I'll save some room certainly for Bengal fans who remember and certainly want to share memories in and pay respects in and show appreciation for the life in times in career of the rattler. Riley, we'll do that as we continue. Get you caught up on headlines as well. It's Arnelle carrier sportstalk. It's presented by Kelsey Chevrolet Arnelle carriers. Your Global Transportation Provider visit our LLC DOT COM, and Kelsey Chevrolet Open for sales and service with a new state of the Art Collision Repair Center coming in July six eighteenth sportstalk, seven hundred wwl wwl's plumbing. Six twenty four seven hundred wwl W. Arnelle carriers sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet callister. Thanks for hanging out tonight. We'll do it till nine. Gary Jeff Walker served the nightcap at that point. We've got a lot of ground cover between now and then when we get you caught up on headlines, we've game with baseball where ESPN's curl. Ravitch reports major. League baseball made a new proposal to the players today a seventy six game season. Seventy five percent of the pro rated salary contingent on the postseason being played. If the postseason will be wiped out by a second wave of the virus, the players get fifty percent of their pro rated salaries. The season would in theory begin July tenth. The regular season would finish September twenty seventh. The postseason would end at the end of October that. The players have rejected that saying that proposal. is a different way of presenting the same stuff they'd been presented before. They are holding firm. Wanting one hundred percent of pro rated pay for the Games, they play meeting. If they play seventy six games, they want basically half their salary of one hundred sixty two games. The New York Post says this afternoon. Owners gave the Union a deadline of Wednesday to reach agreement on a seventy six game season, the inference being they will keep lowering the number of games believed possible by Major League baseball until it gets to that forty eight to fifty four game range. And invoke that through the terms of their agreement back on March twenty sixth. The red should be in the middle of a home. Stand off today before three game set with the dodgers at great American ballpark tomorrow. The reg should be sixty six games into the regular season. The NFL issued protocols to clubs this morning. Laying out plans for players return to club facilities including physical distancing. Facility cleaning and disinfecting equipment cleaning. By the way good luck keeping six feet between players in in the locker rooms at this point and other NFL note just to keep an eye out for. Dalvin Cook the pro bowl. Running back, says today Minnesota. Vikings says today he will not participate in any team related activities until and unless he receives a quote reasonable new deal a source telling ESPN, he's out the source said without reasonable and without a reasonable extension he will not be showing up for camp, or beyond the reason I bring that up Davin Cook was a second round pick in two thousand seventeen. He was taken I. Believe six slots ahead. Of Joe Mixon. There is a thought or at least a storyline of what will joe do if he does not get an extension on his contract you see football players able to begin returning. Returning to campus in small groups today season tickets went on sale today. the NCWA has a new proposal that is expected to be approved on June the seventeenth. That's the next time they met. Part of that proposal is on the football. Coaches would begin being able to interact with their players the second week of July they could start holding through practices middle of July and would be on track on track to kick off the season on time. Stay tuned on all of that, but Kenny, Anderson is our dominant. Kenny Riley is our dominant topic. early on tonight talked with Kenny Anderson in the last segment Dave Lapham just around the corner. Sixty five interceptions, eighteen fumbles, five touchdowns and Ken Riley's career. Two hundred and seven games the most Reggie Williams played two. Oh, six Kenny Anderson Played One ninety two that bengals fan vote a while back head Ken Riley is the Eleventh Greatest Bengal by Fan. Vote and I would say he was even underrated from that standpoint fifth most interceptions he was number four, when he retired the four ahead of him or in the hall of fame. There are the believe the next two. Two behind him or in the hall of fame, and there are five and a grouping of maybe the top ten or twelve and interceptions, a five more behind him that are in the hall of fame as well. He had a career high nine in nineteen, seventy six. He had an best eight in his final season. He intercepted Jim Plunkett three times in a game Joe name at twice in his final game. Had three interceptions in the playoffs in his career I think think seven playoff games in his career picked off Kenny Stabler and a playoff game. He picked off a Joe Ferguson and a playoff game. He intercepted Richard Todd the jets quarterback in a playoff game. Those fifteen seasons he had at least he had. Or more in twelve of his fifteen seasons amazing, and by the way, a senior class president in high school senior class president in College, and at Florida's Stare at Florida am a Rhode. Scholar candidate not bad in terms of a complete package for the rattler Ken Riley. When we continue, we'll talk with another one of his teammates get perspective and a half stories told to us by a Dave Lapham. You'll hear later on this hour. What? Bob! Trumpy told Dan Hoard yesterday during a Sunday afternoon sports. Talk and that Anthony Munoz will cap it off and then we'll get your reaction at stories of Ken Riley as well. Bottomley, our time for a check on news. It's Arnelle carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey. Chevrolet on seven hundred WWL W. Six. Thirty six seven hundred WWL W. it's ardell carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet I'm lions, mcallister thanks, Kitty, Anderson for checking in early in the show Anthony, Moon news coming up in the seven o'clock hour in our next segment. You'll hear couple of the comments from Bob trumpy yesterday. When he joined a Dan Hoard here on seven hundred wwl W, let's continue hearing stories sharing stories about the passing of Bengals legend in Ken Riley, and let's turn and welcome in Dave. Lapham Lah power. I'm I'm well I I said to, and I'll say which we were talking obviously under better circumstances. How and when did you learn the news yesterday? News. It was about. Nine am on Sunday morning I got just got texted and said that durant. Pass Way, massive heart, attack, and then stunning because. He was just in Cincinnati last year. You know and acting. In. Good health just. You. Just never know I'll tell ya every day is precious. There's no question about that. No doubt I was struck by something related to a Jeff Hobson of bengals dot com that that Kenny Riley when when when even though obviously, you guys didn't play the same position. He was a help to you. He was kind of a mentor to you were real early in your career wasn't even otherwise I'm. Most selfless I think I've ever met. I think personally I think about my 'cause. My hasn't think again Riley. Smile and he just totally disarmed. Number early in my. Career as A wide. Colleagues. Rookie trying to make an NFL squad. I mean it was like t's. Just going there and keep your mouth shut. Keep your ears. Keep your eyes open and observing. Volley? Probably the first veteran that came up to me in the locker room after about two days, and how you doing young girl sitting around hanging in. Because what I was You know you the real deal. Just keep working man's point. You keep doing what you're doing and you know just schedule. A BOOST! You know a big energy. And that was. Chris Collins I talk about how he was saying. Look you tipping this and you're out. That's the reason I can break on the voluntee- this he did the same thing with as a courtesy did the same thing with all of his teammates, and that's really the early indications of what he ended up being a coach. Coaching teammates we goes to Florida. M Wins Apple of a coach award twenty. At Florida am in conferencing and he becomes the Athletic Director at Florida. That's just really accomplish. Guy and I mean a heck of a legacy. You know a guy to impact as many lives as he has is just a tremendous legacy, and it was a. it's been a life well-lived Preston peace Kenny Riley kind man Dave. How about the player? If we were to put on the tape and just sit and watch Kenny Riley. What would stand out to you? Machine I mean. Sixty s sixty five interceptions top five in NFL system skill, and then a couple that with eighteen fumble, recoveries, crew, eighty three takeaways. What Team Seasons? That's one shy of six year. I'll take anything back. It'll guarantee me six tunnel takeaways in the form of interceptions in recovery every single year on an average basis like clockwork. That's the thing about Kenny rallies is great. Instincts could break on the ball very smooth. You know very very gifted, obvious who where? It's supposed to be when he was supposed to be there do. Guy. I saw what this dude I can't remember him missing a game forgetting game I can't remember missing mccracken. And if you did this, who never missed to enroll I? Mean it was unbelievable. Coaches Pencil him in and he. You know honestly these workman for. Stay and do a day after day after day after day he was. You know who the biggest Just the ability the biggest ability can give a coach. In Accountability in. All that I've I've heard him read him described as a technician when it came to tackling and man. I always remember my father telling Riley as if you were wide receiver. Who Left your feet? Will Kenny was going to make you pay, wasn't he? Wasn't. Topsy Turvy land running. Shortly Mecca. About. Working again. Personality wise. He was a quiet guy, wasn't he? Dave he was. The guy that you know people are like house you know about football team only made one pro bowl because Lamar Paris was making like six in a row and leaving them always flamboyant flashy assumes just in St Louis. It made him a new suit and. Every single game with. Two before Cranston cry, you know and and everything was him was. Hollywood children's rally. It was polar opposite Kenny, Briley, just unassuming. You know quiet reserve just wanted to be one of the guys and I. Think Just being left with and I'm not saying quote Lamar Paris. Talent I mean gums. And punt return and kickoff return ability. I remember I worked here. We're playing the redskins sunny soon as quarterbacking into leaping Lamar took back a punt or touchdown and had to pick six. That's. Basically handling, eat the redskins with two scores that the offense to think about. Provided, one and the other. The other two phases and you know he was an impact player and in those days. You know they weren't playing four and five wide receiver package. You have to make cornerbacks going to the toilet bowl so when the MAR- made it. Rather take nine assesses. CONISTON. CRAZY I was talking with Kenny Anderson about this. It blows me away the one division of Paul to to take a sixth round quarterback. Who's a good college quarterback? Turn him into a corner and the abilities of Ken Riley to then translate that into one of the best quarters in the game. I think I think. quarterbacks to convert to another position or vaccine convert to wide receiver quarterbacks to convert to defensive back. They still look at the game to a quarterback is yeah, so they see things. Route Patterns route trees. They see things that other guys may may not see the same way because they haven't been under center. Trying to thank you know on the opposite side of things, so he's quarterbacks at these gifted athletes. Over the years before I mean, we'd rather came out. A black quarterbacks claimed it wasn't happening in the national football. I, James, Harrison scrambling and Rattler Florida am had titanic struggle when they were both in court in in college. You know and and James has play in the NFL. Rather that moved to the corner physician. Four five guide ran up. Ten flat under ten second. Hundred Yard Dash in high school. You could really run, but I just think you're smart kids. You know what I mean he he really understood football, and he understood football through a quarterback's is playing the other side of the football, and as a result of that lettuces them I mean. He didn't. When he hit his opportunity, didn't he? Capitalized I mean this. This drop rate was amazingly low. Every time you get a senator now football is making a play on the football I'm here to renaissance. Great skill set up I believe he was a high school class, president and College Class President which tells me the respect that he garnered and based on that. It's no surprise. He then went into coaching and was ahead was not only just an NFL assistant, who he was a head coach for eight years in college yeah. His Alma modern. Earlier one to coach of the year awards in that conference you know winning record obviously at during that timeframe, and then came athletic director to lead the whole athletic department. That just sums up ten. Riley I mean when you. When you look at you, look at his life. Unbelievably successful guy and let's talk about class president in High School Co Leader in leadership that that's what it's all about captain. Level President, you know? At this level is just just a guy that was i. mean one Djembe human, being I mean he was. He was as good as it gets. I mean it's. It's I'll tell you my grandfather used to. Talk about their. When somebody is. Was You know out skating? He was raised right. Again raised right on it was. Not Right now you you mentioned the sadness. Right off the top and it hit me today what we've talked in the last. Maybe Year, plus sadly about the passing of a Sam white in and now Kenny Riley Jim Leclair there man. That's tough. It is tops. I was watching US Opsahl ties for so full twenty three's on each sports network. You know they were GonNa play that I watched hockey night. And Dick Enberg Nelson broadcasters have passed. And Him Watsonville. Coaches in the game pass and I'm like. Wow, this is. This is just amazing. You know this is this nineteen eighty eight. This is Super Bowl twenty three. so yeah, it's it's it's amazing. There has been an unfortunate run for the for the Cincinnati bengals franchise. There's no question about it and. We all of us talented man. You know it's IT'S A. Crazy out there. Particularly now the first thing you think about it and my me and I wanNA probably had some sort of corona virus here scenario. I was told it was a massive heart attack and there was there was nothing like that just totally unexpected and. Down any was gone quickly and I know this is tough, but i. how much it means to fans to hear stories about a Kenny Riley, and for those who didn't see him day hearing about him as a person and as a player, and it means a lot. You share these tonight. Thank you. Appreciate it lands at definitely definitely Saturday when you lose when you lose some lightest brightest Ken Riley on. It's different walk. There's no doubt about it very well, said thanks Dave. You too Dave Lapham checking in, we'll talk with Anthony. Moon knows about Ken Riley coming up at seven six tonight. still ahead, BOB trumpy with a couple of comments about the Rattler Dan Hoard yesterday when he was on here with Sunday afternoon sportstalk, we'll get to that and more arnelle carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet, on seven hundred. WLIW and Make it our way toward seven o'clock at news update in seven minutes. Anthony, Munoz, the hall of Famer at seven eight than your opportunity long about seven twenty, or so to jump in with thoughts, memories meetings and whatnot concerning Kenny Riley I found in our system I. Remember asking Peter King. A few years ago, about the hall of Fame Status of Ken, Anderson and Ken Riley and ask him what what he thought of the case for each I found those in the system today you will hear those a little bit later on as well, but the the Godfather of sports talk in the former Bengal a Bengal legend, Bob, trumpy join Dan Hoard yesterday here on seven hundred wwl w for Sunday afternoon sports talk to discuss the the life and times of Ken Riley. A couple of things jumped out. I thought you'd be interested in hearing Dan Horrid. Ask trumpy. What can Riley was like by? wonderful teammate. Appreciative of your effort. I never heard him say a bad word about anybody. Always laughing. When I I found out that Ken. Riley have been a quarterback. In College I was astonished because he was so quiet. He was a hard guy to get to know not because. Of any personality flaw, A hard guy to get to know because he was so studios about what he was doing and so serious about it. And This is even before your time. Lavar parish was the other cornerback. And Lamar purse was the noisy quarterback and Ken Riley was the quiet quarterback, not only in. Talk but in the way they dressed. I, mean he? He was a great guy to be around and thank God. We have that big. Reunion a couple of years ago when we all got to see each other, and it was wonderful to see him and his family and I'm just. Sell broken up about it. You know general acquired idea share Sam Weiss died this year or in the last twelve months. Time is getting to US Dan Hoard. Bob trumpy yesterday here on seven hundred w w Dan Hoard Voice of the Bengals Aska trump what it was like watching Kenny Riley on the field I'm on the sideline with the offense or defense is out there. There seemed appear time where every time there is a big cheer from the stands at Riverfront Stadium. It was something that can rally done. He'd either. Lonzo Ball Lance all worked or or notice Taylor the Kansas. City chiefs flip them over. or had an interception. But again personally. He was just great to be around. Wonderful Guy and there was so much about him. I didn't know about him. Until later on our careers, and then after he retired I wish I had known of more I. Shouldn't have shut up and listen to him. Bob Troby. trae fact is part of that conversation. Yesterday said they would sit at the lunch table and trump would do all the talking as. Was So quiet. That was. That's what trump was was referencing it at Bob. Drawbridge shut up a little bit. Maybe would have talked a little bit more and they went to learn more about it imagine that. Does Bob Trumpy shutting up? He's just not Bob Trump. He's way. WHO's GonNa? Tell him to shut up to begin with. He also laid out the the hall of fame case for Ken Riley. got. The fifth most interceptions, but the people on the list there ball. Krause leaves I think he was a safety. emlyn canal He was a safety. And then night during lane was a corner Riley was a corner. and. Rod Woodson. was a corner and a safety so of the true corners. Riley is number two behind. Night Train Lane that makes that makes it even more so that he's not in the NFL and I I've. talked a lot of people in and around the NFL and also the hall of fame. And I can get anybody's answer for you. At one of those cans, not being in the hall of fame. It makes no sense to me. Now it didn't fifteen years ago. I I don't understand it. I mean you do have to a certain do to do a certain amount of lobbying? and I can't explain why neither is them and just. The the thing that makes me most upset about The situation for can rally and his family. The will. You'll never get his just doing. He's alive. Adding certainly gives her to be in the hall of fame. Bob trumpy yesterday afternoon with Dan Hoard that entire interview in podcast form at seven hundred WWL W dot com. I'm looking at the list in front of me. Bob trumpy was referencing, and some of these guys are our safety. Summer corners just from a purely number standpoint of the significance of sixty five interceptions. That's actually tied for fifth with Charles Woodson Ed Reed Sixty Four Ronnie lots sixty three Dick lebeau sixty two. Guys like. Eric Allen Fifty Four Career Interceptions Darryl Green, fifty four law fifty-three, Dion fifty three Champ Bailey fifty two. Ken Riley had sixty five. Fourth all time when he retired. I mean even thinking in the context of always talking about the context of of Kenny Anderson at how the game is changing and writers and voters have to understand that in the context of the moment. Kenny left the game fourth most interceptions in the. Game His last year was nineteen eighty-three in now twenty twenty. He's still stands fifth all-time. How many guys are top five in a in a category that's significant across all team sports who aren't in the hall of fame. As we continue how about that? Our by the Way Kim? Anderson Dave Lapham Bob trumpy will add Anthony Munoz delete off the next hour. We Check News Arnelle carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred W. The, following takes place between seven PM and eight. Let's keep moving our number two unfolding at seven, zero seven on seven hundred wliw Arnold carrier sportstalk presented by kill Chevrolet. Our topic tonight has been sharing stories, memories of of the Rattler Ken Riley Sadly Bengals legend passed away yesterday at the age of seventy two. We played more games than any player in franchise history, sixty five interceptions fifth most in the NFL earned in the first hour from Kenny. Anderson and Dave Lapham heard some of the comments. From yesterday with Dan from Bob Trumpy, let's begin this hour with a little bit more sharing a memories and moments through the eyes of our next guest He is the hall of Famer. He's the Bengals legend Anthony Moon knows how are you? Great lands how you doing tonight? I'm well great catching up with you. How How did you learn of the news yesterday? I was actually driving over to play a little golf I yesterday afternoon at. Two thirty after noon, I was meeting a couple of buddies along with good friend. Jim Breach in I had my phone I haven't in my cup holder. You got those nice little odds Dubai do. Hold your own and I had a A sports memo pop up and then you know all it said was bengals legend I popped open, and that's when I saw about two thirty yesterday afternoon. I saw that the amazing Ken Riley passed, and you know I. It's talked about the number of games he should be. Not, only a former teammate of mine is the Bengals, but he should be a team mate of mine in Kano I'll because of the amazing career he had, but more than his career. I mean I get the Cincinnati I had I had the privilege of playing for years with Ken Riley, my first four years and to see. What a true professional! On and off! The field was I mean the guy was amazing. You mentioned fifth all interception. Most Games play, but the guy was just the ultimate gentlemen, the ultimate friend teammate. Course they alternate professional and never said a word I mean. He got his speaking. Be Done by playing on the field that is. Funny you say that because everybody I've talked to has referenced how quiet he was told me a little bit more about him as a person. Well I mean he would. He didn't say awful lot. Of, Guy that win an individual like that, said something, and you're like you didn't say a whole lot. Like the old hot. Button speech. You know so. You knew that when he was going to say something that's going to be passionate and that he needed to listen because you know man, a few words i. mean you could watch. Every day of practice and every Sunday and you would learn a whole lot, but you're going to add to To yourself as a person when you listen to when he fucked, but yeah, very quiet unassuming, but he was, he was amazing would just simply smooth. Play quarterback in college and to come in and be I'd believe should be a pro football hall of fame with the Cincinnati bengals defensive back. They've. Pretty impressive. You go from quarterback. Defensive Back and you have the type of career he had. Anthony. When's the last time you had a chance to be around him or talk with him? What I'm trying to think it might have been last year year before last night. The different fifty year celebration and Kenny Anderson's Yvette I kinda you know I know. I was around in the last couple of years, and he had a son with them. It might have been last year. and it's on I. Mean the same thing could out of thin cloth. I mean just a gentlemen and very kind, and you see why he was way being around a guy like dad can riley, but. Just, last year to and the Guy Looked Nano. I mean. He looked in San for being seventy years old. You're like man I. Play that I look at fat. Good when I'm seven years old, but yeah, so it wasn't that long ago when I'll ask you what I asked Dave Lapham if you were to. If you were to grab younger, Bengal Fans in pop in a tape and show them his career. What would stand out? What would you say? This is what Ken Riley was as on the field as a player. Consistency consistency you know, and this is the difference you see. Guys make a great play, and you know who it is, and you hear about it, and you ought to, because they're dancing and dollar, but I would say watch closely, because can Kim Riley GonNa make great play after great, and he's not going to say a whole lot. He's not gonNA point to his name on the back. He's not gonNA. Extend his number out, but that's what I would say that the consistency of making. Play after excellent play weekend and week out for thirteen years. That's what I would really focused on. That's how you become a true professional. An Anthony to me fifteen years blows me away, but to consider his final year. He's thirty six. A still had eight interceptions in return for touchdowns at age thirty six in the League. You're right Lanta and to me that the guy with. The way I look at kind of explain the ultimate professional is you're ready all the time regardless twenty one twenty two years old like you're saying thirty. The Guy was ready to play, and got it done as long as on the field. He got it done so I talked about the word consistent, and it didn't matter. It was as I the second year. You mentioned all the pictures of thirty six you also. And that's another thing, too young guy. Look at this consistency. He's still getting done his last year. You know I think he was a class president in high school class President College and. Dave that that to me is that's respect. That's leadership. That's a whole lot of qualities that it's no surprise that he went on to coach and do it on other levels. Well, a Rhode Scholar. Candidate. Fat President but a Rhode Scholar candidate, and you're right then it'd be. To time coach of the year the head coach he was an athletic director, but the amazing thing is think about how fortunate we his teammates. Were were to have him around for as long as we did. Think about those young men in college, having him as a head coach having a McGrath. To, that role model someone that keeps you come to every day school every day to practice, and she king Wiley, right. Their head coach, the head coach today. those young men I'm sure what have story after story of what they've learned from early in the days in college. You you reference this earlier, but as you were saying it, I just have a vision in my mind. What how cool it would be what it would mean if if you had company in Canton and it. Was Kenny Anderson and Ken Riley. It'd be thirteen fourteen in seventy. Hopefully. But yeah I mean that'd be pretty cool to have no consecutive numbers. Hanging. Paul Brown Stadium and. But yeah. You know that the sad thing about it as it happened. The other guys that have been inducting can't after they path you know the family's kitchen enjoyed, but they don't so Yeah, I agree I think You know you can have his family experience. That would be amazing in the next several years to have Ten and Ken join up in Canada. Happen! Hey great catching up with you. It means a lot. You shared stories tonight. I so much enjoyed here in Kenny Anderson. Dave Lapham in yourself. Tell stories. Let fans know about Ken Riley who didn't know him. But run and I know this isn't why you came on, but I noticed today. You're coming up next month. Is Your Nineteenth Hall of Fame Dinner The foundation's hall of fame dinner at the Manor House in Mason. That is still on, and you're kind of working on ways to make it safe correct. We are land. It looks pretty positive. We were able to secure. July twenty six for our dinner. Commander have to lie twenty seven for Golf Tournament, PPC I. of course we know coming up this covert nineteen pandemic. It does look pretty promising that we'll get the habit. There's GonNa be some things that will make adjustments, but man if we can get you know both those ballrooms and David, and Janet Nelson up at the Manor House are phenomenal and I think it's GonNa work. You can go to Moon Foundation Dot Org and you know we still have some tables available for. For people to come and be part of that, we you know. Hopefully it will still be able to bring in some hall of famers and some of our local guys. You mentioned Dave Lapham. He sees every year and been great so hopefully that can still work out with the change, and we still have a handful of four some broad golf tournament the following day. And that's our way of raising funds impact, these young men and women this great city. Will present a few more scholarship recipients at that dinner. Because we had eighteen that we chose for a luncheon in April, but of course we weren't able to have it Jeff. Ruby's is provided that lines for eighteen years so I think we're GONNA take over eighteen students along with more scholarships, because that we're picking right now and honor them at that. Enron July twenty six at the manor. Appreciate you mentioning that. To me, it's like we've kind of been on. Hold for a couple of. My staff myself. My board are done. We're ready to get back and see how we can run things and you know, bring more young men and women impact them and give them some opportunities through not only foundation, but the partners. We've. Come together with in this great community excellent very well, said Muna's foundation dot Org for more information. Hey, it means a lot. You carved out a few minutes tonight. Thank you. Always a pleasure. Thank you and I. Appreciate the opportunity to really remember A. Fantastic Mankin Riley and of course our prayers up for this family, but yeah, we can celebrate and be thankful for the great times we had with them. Amen to that thanks Anthony Take care. All right there. You Go Anthony. Moon. Does that wraps up? That's a pretty strong run Kenny Anderson with stories. Dave Lapham Stories Bob Trumpy was stories Anthony. Munoz was stories limit. Let me do this slowly. Open up the lines for the first time tonight Oh. Look at that ship hit the button before I even I did great minds think alike if you have a a moment. Moment a memory. Just something you'd like to share. You've heard from Bengal legends sharing stories. 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He time favorite player I'm seventy years old and I had season tickets to the last eight years. He played You mentioned that the last year as interceptions went up, he was so respected their games in the middle of his career with nobody even tested. They didn't even started his sight and that's what he got old. You got more chances, so that's respect that he was ten the thing that I just drilled me was the way he would. An open field dive at a player missile shoulder tackle. Spectacular and I'm gave me press credentials. told him about how much I liked. Ken. Riley and I got to do profile for the Cincinnati Hill with ten after the game on, so that was quite a thrill. He was a wonderful person and a wonderful player very well, said Jeff. Thanks, Buddy, okay, have a good night just to me I and everything. And I was looking through all my Ken. Riley football cards today just the consensus in all the stories. We've heard the the class the respect. He garnered that consistency of his play the football. IQ The leadership capabilities on the field, then trains leading off the field as assistant coach as a head coach in college as an athletic director in college. The Rhode, scholar candidate class president just so much. Much to it, and then to to look at the numbers and I I lay out all those things, and it just so frustrating that all of those things don't add up in the end to getting a check next to his name in the in the box for the pro football hall of fame, Randy's seven hundred wwl. Hey, eight Lance how you doing Sir I'm well. Thanks for calling. Thanks Thank you so much for doing this program. Like you I grew up in the sixties and seventies and. Eighties of course in Kenny was an absolute joy to watch. He was fantastic. He was A. Great player at an eye for the ball he was disciplined, and I had the privilege of meeting him last October when he was in town for that Jacksonville game. and. He's one of the most polite kind gentle. To Godly Human Beings I've met, and he was an absolute delight of a player, and all the memories with him and Lamar Jackson and We're not Jackson and Tommy Casanovas that secondary back when the bengals made six winning seasons in the seventies and Ken. Riley, -absolutely. I told so many people, and over the years about the sixty five tax, and the four guys ahead of them in a bunch behind him. They're not in and just as you reiterated and it. To me, the hall of fame is not complete with without him. He's an absolute hall of Famer and even a better human being very well said Randy. Thanks Buddy. Hey have a great night. I found in the system and this I'm going to say was. Three or four years ago when I had Peter King on specifically talking about I, was it was probably a training camp preview. It probably been and bingles training camp anyway during the course of the conversation. I brought up Ken. Anderson and Ken Riley and the Hall of fame. Here's what Peter King and he's got a vote. Here's what Peter King said at the time about Kenny Anderson I thought very long and hard about Kenny Anderson Nick Year. Just, because I've got so much respect for him I used to cover on. My know what he's like. I know what a great competitor! He was I know he won the MVP I know. He's got the NFL all time record for accuracy in a season and inside great respect for him but I just think he falls a little bit short, just in terms of. Of career achievement from some of the all time. Great I just I respect Peter King. Fall short of what a super bowl! There's guys in the hall of fame. Don't have super bowl. He he led his team to the super. Bowl was an MVP comeback player of the year. One the equivalent of the Walter Payton Man of the year award a four passing titles. I. Just I shouldn't do this because I get worked up every time I do here's. What Peter King said a couple of years ago about the hall of fame and Ken. Riley. Suffers a little bit by not having played on any great, really great defenses for any consistent period of time but I I mean obviously he reminds me of like a Mike Ken for Atlanta or or Tommy nobis for for Atlanta. There was never a long period of time. Where where he's teams really shined but I think individually. He's close. Peter King a couple of years ago again. I'll do respect. It's just it's just a bunch of Malarkey. I I just I reject all of it. I'm sorry. Rejected all. We've reached the midway point of the show Major League Baseball moving closer question mark proposal presented by the players today I will do my best to explain what was presented to the players, and what it means going forward, and we'll open up the lines on for a little bit of that as well at five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, one, eight, hundred, the big one and pound, seven hundred on at and T. Midway point. Thanks for being here. 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If you have missed it, the following, and that's at seven hundred wwl W dot com, a couple of different reds things I've got some Bengal things. Things, they'll have all these interviews up. I found I found some classic. Marty and Joe Commercials including a couple of Kroger I also found some classic home run derbies, black and white homerun derby episodes with a one with Frank Robinson there's a mantle and mays and Erin and killebrew, all of that in blog form at seven hundred wwl W dot, com, and a kind of the cliff notes for our topic coming up in the eight o'clock hour this past weekend was the anniversary of scooter genetics four home run game. That will be presented. In a topic form coming up at the top of the hour, let's go back to let's go back to the phones and a little bit on the major league. Baseball News today, and whatever significance should be attached to that, but in Anderson we stop. Mary welcome to Sportstalk. Hi, Mary! Mary, go ahead you're sportstalk. K Lance a welcome to the show. How are years I'm okay good to hear from. You realize that you said Mary where he said anyway. I had to China and you know. Longtime. It has been a little bitty time since I've talked to you anyway. With Kenny Riley. I'm a little bit older than a lot of our listeners. And that man. Without a doubt he anderson should be in the hall of fame. And It's really just sad. To guys that just uis class and respect, and then if you add the numbers to it, the stats they've put up. It seems it just seems like a slam dunk make they're both all of famers. Absolutely. If you look at what's in numbers, I think. If I'm not mistaking. Talking about two hundred and sixty, games. Time. Interceptions. They didn't throw the ball back then as much right. It's a good point. That's a really good point, and that's the same adversaries you know. They didn't grow it. You know and. It's just frustrating, but I was listening to earlier, and he was talking about a bengals ring of honor or thing with Hall of fame and. It is just. A No doubt that we should do that and I? Understand football is a team sport. That, there are exceptional players Yes who who you should be proud of as an organization to show your fans, and for fans who aren't up on the history for them to be able to say to tell their kids. Billy. This is Ken Riley. This is Ken Anderson? This is Anthony Moon. Look at these look at these names on the ring of honor. Look at the statues. This is what they meant to the franchise and I get. Your kid be agreeing exactly. Exactly and I get that Paul wasn't about individuality and it was about team, but there comes a point where it's an organization, there shouldn't be any shame or hesitation in being proud to display the greatest in your organization agreed one hundred and fifty thousand percent mean. But he was, he was class I. I remember when Perish. Got Traded to San Diego, or whatever that was. And my dad that he said Kenya Raleigh. He's the real deal for you. Know I mean. Harris was the flash. Guys you know Sandy was the quiet one that just get a job. No Question Mary thanks I great hearing your voice all. Look forward to it. Thank you all right bye. Mary. Checking in and Anderson Mike Brown, said the following in a release yesterday quote. Everybody here loved Kenny everyone. He has everyone's respect. Success with us, and after playing career as a coach Athletic, director at Florida am when he came here. Kenny and Lamar parish had never played corner. And they're the best to. We've ever had and we had a lot of good. He said We'd put them out there for over a decade and a half and we didn't have to worry about it. Kenny was quick to the ball is a great interceptor. An excellent Tackler, even though he wasn't a very big man five eleven. I believe I'm a missing. He was a good guy and a solid man. We send our condolences to his family. All right here is. Here's what has happened on the Major League Baseball Front today this I broke with Karl ravage of ESPN early this morning. Major League Baseball made a proposal to the players. Season would start July tenth were now who are moving off of that July fourth unfortunately July tenth start seventy six games regular season would finish September twenty seventh. postseason world series would wrap up the end of October. Here are the here the talking points, and I'll try I know a lot of the Times. My eyes start to glaze over. And, I honestly believe most people don't care about the nuts and bolts of this. They just want baseball. Here's the easiest way I can explain it. The owners have said we'll play seventy six games. We will give you seventy five percent of your prorated salary. Okay, so pro rated is basically they play. That's about half the season, so they get half their pay. The owners say we'll give you seventy five percent of that. Now here's the catch. That seventy five percent of their prorated salary only comes. If they complete the postseason, the owners fear there will be a second wave of covid nineteen. That will wipe out the playoffs. They've told the players. If there's no playoffs, you only get fifty percent of your prorated salary so basically the owners have said you'd get half of your half and the players are saying. Wait a minute. We're the ones who are playing through all of your potential concerns about a second wave of all this. You told us back on, March, twenty six. You'd pay us by the game and give us a prorated salary. Now you're telling us. You'll give us that prorated salary at half of it if there's no playoffs seventy five percent of that if there are playoffs. What else has been added in this proposal? I like this. The players would have like this. No draft pick compensation for signing players this off season. You know what has held back players from being signed free agency as teams having to give up a first round pick, so the owners have said we'll take the compensation away. That means you're free. Agents will be freer for teams to pursue them without having to worry about compensation. Let me give you an example here monetarily. Let's just say for argument's sake. The average major league salaries around four million dollars slightly above that, but around four million. So pro rated for seventy six games would be about one point eight six one point eight million dollars. The owners have said. We'll give you seventy five percent of that, which is down to one point four million and they say if we don't have the playoffs. We'll give you fifty percents that you'll get two thousand. And that player who's making an average of four million, saying, Whoa, wait a minute. What what are you doing here? You agree do pay are pro rated salary, one hundred percent of the prorated salary back March the twenty six. You told us and we agreed on March. Twenty, six. Whatever number Games we played you would pay for. You're saying you'll give us. Seventy five percent of that pro rated amount, and if there is a second wave, we'll get half of that and the players are basically said you can go pound salt at that point. Bob Nightingale has said today from USA Today and I did and maintain this. Call me naive called me in denial. Call me with guy with his head stuck in the sand. Bob Nightingale said there will definitely be a season. The unknown his players pay, and how many games I truly believe they're going to play baseball. If they're arguing about getting back and forth of the Games here, these are still doable. Couple of things. Jump out from today. The New York Post. Indicating now as reference. There's no way the season's GonNa Start on July the fourth. And it is believed this proposal is kind of on the table until Wednesday. And if you don't take my Wednesday, then we start dropping numbers of gapes, and in the end they believe the owners believed that rob. Manfred has the right based on the agreement. They Bain back on March twenty sixth. And I find it very odd convenient that the odors can reference what they're going to live by back on the march, twenty six deal, but at the same time say well, this is in the contract that rob Manfred could enforce whatever length the season he wants based on that agreement and yet the owners conveniently say. Well but we're not going to hold up our end of agreeing to pay you for the Games you play. Based on that deal. So what ultimately innate like a a nuclear option here? Rodman is GONNA. Say We tried to negotiate this with you? You didn't agree. I am implementing a season that will be forty eight to fifty two games long. Let's go. And it would be my guess at that point. The players are going to say screw you. We're not playing. And they won't play forty eight games because they're gonNA. Look at forty eight games as ridiculous. When the players wanted to play one hundred and fourteen games. And the odors if they like Ramrod this thing in and say oh sorry, you didn't negotiate a deal with commissioners free to do it. You'll play forty eight. They're gonNA. Say Well you can. You can think we're GONNA. Play Forty Eight. We ain't playing forty eight games. We're not coming back for the risk of injury. We're not coming back for the guys who are in their free agent. Walk Year that run the risk of the the wild card of playing forty games. We're not gonNA, do it. And then there'll be no baseball whatsoever I. Don't believe it's going to come to that point. Now every time I say this. The number of people lining up to just crush me for it once the season is canceled continues to grow. And maybe I have too much faith in in both sides. 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Run Game. That will be presented. In a topic form coming up at the top of the hour. Let's go back to let's go back to the phones and a little bit on the Major League Baseball today, and whatever significance should be attached to that, but in Anderson. We Stop Mary Welcome to Sportstalk. Hi Mary. Mary, go ahead. You're on sportstalk. Lance. Welcome to the show. How are you I'm okay good to hear from. You realize that you said Mary I. Don't know where he said but anyway. I had in. China and you know longtime? Has. been a little bitty time since I've talked to you but anyway. With Kenny Riley I'm a little bit older than a lot of our listeners. And that man. Without doubt, he anderson both should be in the hall of fame. and. It's just sad. To guys that just lose class and respect, and then if you add the numbers to it, the stats they've put up. It seems it just seems like a slam dunk. Make that they're both all of famers absolutely if you look at Woodson's numbers I think. If I'm not mistaking. It took him about two hundred and sixty games. Six Time! Interceptions and they didn't throw the ball back. Then as much right. It's a good point. That's a real good point, and that's the same with everything you know. They didn't grow it. You know and. It's just frustrating, but I was listening to earlier, and he was talking about a bengals ring of honor, or Bengals Hall of fame and on it is just. A No doubt that we should do that I. Understand football a team sports. There are exceptional players Yes who who who you should be proud of as an organization to show your fans, and for fans who aren't up on the history for them to be able to say to tell their kids. Billy this is Ken Riley. This is Ken Anderson. This is Anthony Munoz. Look at these look at these names on the ring of honor. Look at the statues. This is what they meant to the franchise and I get in your kid. Be Your Green, xactly, my life exactly and I get that Paul wasn't about individuality, and it was about team, but there comes a point where as an organization there shouldn't be any shame or hesitation in in being proud to display the greatest in your organization at a hundred and fifty thousand percent I mean. But he was he was class. I remember when parish. Got Traded to San Diego or whatever that was. And My dad, he said Kenya rally the. He's the real deal. You know I mean affect. Harris was the guy. Danny was quiet one. That did a job. No question Mary thanks. Great hearing your voice, all. Goodness look forward to it. Thank you all right there. You Go Mary, Chicken and Anderson Mike Brown's said the following in a release yesterday quote. Everybody here loved Kenny. He was everyone he everyone's respect. He was success with us and after his playing career as a coach and athletic director at Florida, a and m when he came kidding and Lamar Perish had never played corner. And they're the best to. We've ever had and we had a lot of good ones. He said We'd put him out there for over a decade and a half and we didn't have to worry about it. Kenny was quick to the ball is a great interceptor. He was an excellent Tackler, even though he wasn't a very big man. Five eleven I I believe I'm going to miss him. He was a good guy and a solid man. We send our condolences to his family. All right here is By the way. Here's what has happened on the Major League Baseball Front today. this I broke with Karl. RAVITCH OF ESPN early this morning. Major League Baseball made a proposal to the players. Season would start July the tenth. We're now were moving off of that. July fourth unfortunate led by Tenth Start Seventy six games regular season would finish September twenty seventh. postseason world series would wrap up the end of October. Here are the here. The talking points and I'll try I. Know a lot of the Times. My eyes start to glaze over in all. They say and I honestly believe most people don't care about the nuts and bolts of this. They just want baseball. Here's the easiest way I can explain it. The owners have said we'll play seventy six games. We will give you seventy five percent of your prorated salary. Okay, so pro rated is basically they play. That's about half the season, so they get half their pay. The owner say will give you seventy five percent of that. Now. Here's the catch. That seventy five percent of their prorated salary only comes. If they complete the postseason, the owners fear there will be a second wave of covid nineteen. That will wipe out the playoffs. They told the players. If there's no playoffs, you only get fifty percent of your prorated salary so basically the owners have said you'd get half of your half and the players are saying. Wait a minute. We're the ones who are playing through all of your potential concerns about a second wave of all this. You told us back on March twenty six. You'd pay us by the game and give us a prorated salary. Now you're telling us. You'll give us that prorated salary at half of it if there's no playoffs seventy five percent of that if there are playoffs. What else has been added in this proposal? I liked this. The players would have to like this draft. Pick compensation for signing players this offseason. Back, players from being signed in Free Agency as teams having to give up a first round pick, so the owners said we'll take the compensation away. That means you're free. Agents will be freer for teams to pursue them without having to worry about compensation Let me give you an example here monetarily. Let's just say for argument's sake. The average major league salaries around four million dollars slightly above that, but around four million. So pro rated for seventy six games. Would be about one point eight six one point eight million dollars. The owners have said. We'll give you seventy five percent of that which is down to one point four million and they say if we don't have the playoffs. We'll give you fifty percent of that. You'll get nine hundred thousand. And that player who's making an average of four million saying? WHOA, wait a minute. What are you doing here? You agree new pay are pro rated salary, one hundred percent of the prorated salary back on March, the twenty six. You told us and we agreed on March twenty six. Whatever number of games we played. You would pay us for. Now, you're saying you'll give us. Seventy five percent of that pro rated amount, and if there is a second wave, we'll half of that, and the players basically said, and you can go pound salt at that point. Bob Nightingale said today from USA. Today and I didn't maintain this. Call me naive. Call me denial. Call me with my guy with his head stuck in the sand. Bob Nightingale said there will definitely be a season. The unknown his players pay, and how many games I truly believe they're going to play baseball. If they're arguing about the the back and forth of the Games here, these are still doable. Couple of things that jump out from today the New York Post indicating. As reference there's no way the season's GonNa Start on July the fourth. And, it is believed this proposal is kind of on the table until Wednesday. And if you don't take it by Wednesday, then we start dropping numbers of. And in the end they believe the owners believed that rob. Manford has the right based on the agreement. They been back on March twenty six. And I find it very odd inconvenient that the odors can reference what they're going to live by back on the march, twenty six deal, but at the same time say well. This is in the contract that rob. Manford could enforce whatever length the season he wants based on that agreement and yet the owners conveniently say. Well but we're not going to hold up our end of agreeing to pay you for the Games you play. Based on that deal. So. What ultimately like a nuclear option here? Rodman for. It's GonNa say we tried to negotiate with this with you. You didn't agree I. AM implementing a season that will be forty eight to fifty two games long. Let's go. And it would be my guess at that point. The players are going to say screw you or not play. and. They won't played forty eight games because they're going to look at forty eight games as ridiculous. When, the players wanted to play one hundred and fourteen games and the odors. If they like Ramrod this thing in and say oh. Sorry, you didn't negotiate a deal with this commissioners. Free to do it. You'll play forty-eight. They're going to say well you can. You can think we're gonNA play forty eight. We ain't playing forty eight games. We're not coming back for the risk of injury. We're not coming back for the guys who are in their free agent. Walk Year that run the risk of the wildcard. Avoid playing forty eight games. We're not gonNA, do and then there'll be no baseball whatsoever. I don't believe it's going to come to that point. Now every time I say this. The number of people lining up to just crush me for it wants. The season is canceled continues to grow. And maybe I have too much faith in in both sides. But I think we're GONNA play. Baseball up next. The words of wisdom from one Joseph Daniel Veto. His thoughts to the enquirer. Wow powerful stuff as we continue seven forty eight arnold carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred wwl dot. COM The following takes place between eight. PM and nine PM. Let's keep moving eight Oh nine seven hundred wliw this sportstalk make it and L. Carriers sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance McAlister thanks for hanging out tonight. If you're just joining us the things you have missed lucky for you, there's a a podcast available through the iheartradio APP at seven hundred wwl W dot com, because you heard in the first hour tonight Ken Anderson. you heard Dave, Lapham. You heard Bob trumpy in the second hour. You heard Anthony Munoz all sharing. Sharing Stories and memories in moments of one Ken Riley and the sad passing of the rattler over the weekend. Eight bengals legend I have an assignment for us in this hour a task force when I was thinking about this on Saturday Saturday was the anniversary of scooters night. In fact, let me take you back to a June. Six 2017 great American Ballpark when Scooter Ginette made history and it sounded like this. Ginette steadily waiting pitch. Oh, this baby is hammered high. And it is five. Grand Slam by. Over nineteen. A double with two army is. Single and RBI earlier in this ball game and folks. That was one big swing of the bat by Janette. They're. A Grand Slam. Into the moon deck and right-field. All of that. Jan to the point. And this ball hammered in the right center field, and it's a long one two run home run. Studer genetic have a night young man. Ted Nothing rents. All hit down. The Latvia lied by Janette in the corner, a homegrown scooter. The other way all of the three twenty eight marked into the seats that goes, and that is the third hall of a night. For Scooter. no-balls two strikes to scooter base runner at first. With two hour. Drive Right Field Ball caring well. Scooter Janette. One two. Three. Four. Tonight for scooter. Johnette and nine Nov.. Water night for schooner to that. Saturday was anniversary of that June six twenty seventeen. He was still a utility player at that point. In fact, he was, he was starting bad night in left field. Would, eventually of course become the starting second baseman for the reds. He did something that no reds players ever done I became the seventeenth player in the history of baseball. It hit four home runs in a game. He went five for five tied a franchise record with ten. RB is set a new franchise record with seventeen total bases. He became the first player in the history of Major League baseball to have five hits, four homers and ten rb. Is it a game? It Oh by the way he had snapped at over nineteen. Of the night before, but the first player in the history of baseball, five hits, four homers, ten rb is it was chosen by MLB DOT com. Just a couple of weeks ago is the best individual single game performance in reds, franchise history, and that got me thinking about something. And I can be dangerous. When I started thinking about things, I thought about. The Cincinnati teams. And what we would consider to be or select DAS-. The best single game performance by a player. In the history of those teams, meaning the best single game performance turning by player, representing the reds. The bengals. YOU SEE FOOTBALL! You see basketball. Xavier Basketball and I. DON'T WANNA leave out. The cyclones and I can't leave out although they're newer and don't have the history obviously FC Cincinnati. The there is a name that just entered your mind. There's a performance. The just entered your mind. Is it the single greatest performance in the history of that team? That's what I'm looking for. In a perfect world. At the end of the night, we would have a one, two, three, four, five six. We would have seven names one representing each team. One game. One, not a streak, not a season, not two games, not a career. What would you offer up as the best single game individual performance in the history of the team? You're now thinking about. I would submit to you. In addition Scooter Janette for the reds I would offer up Corey Dillon for the bengals. Two hundred seventy eight yards, rushing and NFL record the time versus the Broncos October, twenty, second, nineteen, ninety nine. He had touchdown runs of sixty five yards and forty five yards. Both of those happened in the final five minutes to put him ahead of Walter Payton. Who had the record two seventy five? A Dylan's total currently ranks fourth in NFL history. Now. That might be debatable. Scooter Jeanette might be debatable. I happen to think scooters the best representative for the category. The best individual performance turned in by player and a game corey. Dylan's pretty strong. You see football got a couple of ideas you see basketball. I got a couple of more ideas. Xavier I wrote down one two three. I wrote down three candidates. FC Cincinnati I wrote down to candidates. Cyclones. I'm going to rely on a diehard cyclone fan for the history of the franchise in terms of an individual performance. I know this. We got a couple of segments. We can work on this on this date. In reds history, coming up at about eight fifty and I have a phone lines open for you. Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, one, eight, hundred, the big one pound, seven, hundred on at and T.. Would you put on this list? We'll do that next. Arnelle carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet on seven hundred W. W. Let's do this. We take it till nine. Gary Jeff Sirs, if the nightcap at that point, work it on this single game greatness by team. The, argument would be made that Scooter Jeanette. In fact, recognized by MLB DOT COM, it's genetic turned in the greatest single game performance in the history of the reds. Franchise. Something that no other player in the history of the forget about any other red, no player in the history of baseball I've done four homers. Five hits ten RBI's, and it got me thinking well, if we broke it down into the categories, each of the teams around here, what would then go to the top and Mike I'm not really looking for a list of top ten for each team I'm just looking for the best performance for each of those teams. So, let's go to the phones. Five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, one, eight, hundred, the big one and pound, seven hundred on at and T.. Dayton Dave you're on seven hundred W W. Land Mitch Says No Mitch Says No. Mitch says no big shoulder brand against Chicago fire ethic overtime three huge. Man never seen anything like it. I know you're on vacation during that, you'd miss out. You know what it's funny. You say that my entire family was. We were in a condo in hill in Myrtle, beach, Hilton, head, and we were watching that game from the living room of our Condo, and all four of us were jumping up in the air when made the third save? Most exhilarating incredible sports attendance. I've ever witnessed why tax nipper say I mean I it was. It was amazing and and I and I. Hope You know maybe FC Cincinnati can maybe someday bring back Mitch. You know for some more magic, but. The Mitch Says No. Chance was rock and the place was. Incredible he is playing out of his mind I. College Goalkeeper, so save PK's is not easy and he didn't eat. Just came up big the whole game he came up big either a lot of other in game. Incredible faith That's that's hands down FC. Cincinnati over battle twice Saiga and cal fire in overtime. Writing it down the list you're the mandate. Thanks for listening. Thanks back. Guy Matt. Both I'm a big Mitch Fan. I had Mitch and his lovely wife. You're in in studio for an hour one night. I chose I would choose Mitch over and the only other one I considered. And how about that, FC Cincinnati leads off the conversation. The only other one I considered GB fall, and I was at that game that was April seventeen, two, thousand seventeen against Saint Louis FC, and GB fall had four goals in one game I've never seen. I haven't seen a lot of soccer and my well. My Daughter's games about I've never seen bay score four goals until I seen to I've seen three I've ever seen four. It was the most unbelievably like silly like you gotta be kidding me. He did it again thing. That that you'll see but. That was regular season. What Mitch did in the US Open? Cup the significance of that moment and to do it in overtime earned the penalty kick, overtime and penalty kicks in turn back. Three of them I. would in fact agree with Dave Mitchell Nebraska number one for the best single game performance and FC Cincinnati history about loveland. We go, Fran. You are on seven hundred wliw. Hey Lance loved the topic again. Thank to thank you. Bearcat basketball very special to me, and I go back to the period. When Asta was there, then the championship run so. I'm GonNa go with the night. That Oscar fifty six points. Madison Square Garden. That would have been his sophomore year. And the the country. The country just wasn't aware of Oscar yet because. Pressure freshmen didn't play Varsity all back. So Oscar was just starting to let everybody know who he was fifty six points where the most points. Been scored in the garden either pro or collegiate while so college basketball. You know it really wasn't on the national prominence that we wake up today. But for him to put on display like that, and some of the New York press, I mean that was very special. That puts Cincinnati basketball, and that that could Oscar, Robertson on the map I won't say fan I think. The Madison Square Garden Element is a fantastic part of that that that really elevates that story. Absolutely New York basketball back then I mean if you remember the nit in. That would be exactly right. So, I'm GonNa go with that. And then Oscar went on to be three times player of the year in College, and we know what he did. the rest of his career so rest they say. Is History absolutely the big? Oh Hey, Fran thanks buddy! Okay Good Erin I put that in fact I would play. Oscar has scored more in a game at UC scored sixty two against North Texas state in February of nineteen sixty, but I would agree. Roof Fran the stage of fifty six points in New, York. The Big Apple Madison Square Garden. I considered Steve Logan who out scored an opponent. He scored forty, one, a career, high and beating southern Miss Forty one. He outscored southern forty-one to thirty seven UC outscored southern. Miss or Eighty, nine, seventy, three, that was February of two thousand and two. He was twelve of eighteen from the field. He was eight of thirteen on three pointers, and there's there's another one I would include. I would make it number one. I chose Oscar over K. marts game the famous Kenyan. Give me the ball. Get Kenyan the ballgame about said if the ball doesn't go to Kenya, I'm taking your scholarship away. I've cleaned up the language. And that was their rally down seventeen on the road at Depaul and the Rosemont horizon number two in the country, where Kenyan took over scored thirty three and I did it in every way. Possible in Dick Vitelle lost his mind. HECKUVA performance. I still believe Oscars fifty six at Madison Square Garden is number one. So, what do we have here so far to be to be challenged? We have scooters fight hits four homers ten. RB is only player in the history of baseball to do it. Corey's to seventy eight against the broncos Mitch Hildebrandt Mitch. Says No US Open Cup MLS fire and the big O. Madison Square. Garden what else Terry seven hundred W W welcome to Sportstalk I'll want an awesome show. I am driving. Along, the highway here and just enjoying every second. Thank you I'm in my seventies. And I've been around a long time and a lot of Cincinnati Sports. Desk as I'm driving along I'm racing back through my memory and one one that sticks out for me is was a CA I can't tell you the date. I can tell you who the players were. It was the bangles. The bengals were playing Buffalo, and it was a national game because the Bengals to this day. They get no respect. Was When J. was playing, and he was having a spectacular game I think he was, he was close to two hundred yards and That's all the announcers kept talking about was Oj. OJ OJ Kenny Anderson had the game of his life, and if I'm not mistaken, he went over four hundred yards, which was unheard of in those days, and actually won the game, but I and And I don't know that date or the actual stats but Jenny got respect in that game and had the game of his life right one that he in fact, he found it. He threw for four hundred forty seven yards that night. They won the game. You're in, you're right. OJ went kind of crazy. Rush One, hundred, Ninety, seven, but Manda. Display Kenny. Put on that night. For sure and they got no, he got no credit from the from the announcers. I've worked out. He was probably one of them and he just he just all talked about was OJ Simpson. My. That's my answering. Hey, I'm glad you called. It means a lot. Thank you. Have a good night I'm I'm writing that down I now see now we have passing versus rushing and yet let's also consider. A Corey held the NFL record at the time he did it. Kenny did it on the stage of Monday night football. He went for four forty seven through the the bengals the bills thirty, three, twenty, four consider that era was more of a run, heavy versus passing irrit- that time Oj went for one ninety seven two touchdowns, but the Bengals win the game. I'm trying to see what I would counter Kenny's. boomer boomer holds the franchise record. He threw for four ninety and a game versus the rams that was in October of nineteen ninety. Curson holds the franchise record for touchdown passes in a game with six in two, thousand and seven. So, we've got. We've got the running side of it. We've got the passing yards side of it would get the passing touchdown side of it. We're going to have to kind of work through to pick one and. I'm looking at my list than my other candidates were involved in the catching side of it as well. You know I'll give you another Kenny Anderson. Hall I'm way late I better not give you any more. Better, give you a break. So excited I lost track of what I'm doing. It's Arnelle carrier sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet on seven hundred WWL W. Very we're moving right along heading towards Top of the are. That'll be news time then it'll be Gary Jeff Walker. Time he'll serve up the nightcap from nine to midnight back tomorrow from six to nine working on a couple of different things we may, we may get into the merge shot stadium at exit. SPORTS QUESTION IF I. If I build up enough strength to deal with everything and we have to deal with. I. Still, still debating in my head. Let's see. Oh, today is the anniversary I will do on this date in our next segment, but on this date eighteen twenty five, so there's no from Tim. Kurkin any goodell was born. Eddie Goodell is the shortest player in Major. League history three foot seven. He had one major league at bat in Nineteen fifty one for the St Louis Browns. It was the idea of bill vic their owner. Let's Let's sign him to a one day. Contract I want to his uniform number was one eighth. And he walked, and then Major League baseball band that from happening again, so it'd get Dell born this date nineteen, twenty, five three foot seven. He noted did Tim Kirch in in his piece. There have been there have been over thirty major. League Hall of Famers. who were under five foot ten? Including Melon Kirby. Puckett and Yogi Berra. Jose Altuve as five six Hack Wilson. Five six Joe Morgan was listed at five seven. The re, the royals I remember his baseball card. The royals had shortstop named Freddie Patek. Who was five foot? Four double play partner was Frank White, if I remember correctly for the royals. Freddie hit three home runs at Fenway. One time five foot, four shortstop, the white sox shortstop named Harry Chapas. WHO's five foot three? Tim mentioned in his piece. There have been two pitchers in the history of the world series under five foot, seven to pitch in a world series game, Bobby Shantz who won the American MVP and nineteen, fifty two was five foot six, and a pitcher named Tim. Collins was five foot six remember. Remember. The reds pitcher Daniel Herrera five, six, hundred and forty five pounds. I looked it up. He'd pitched one hundred and one innings in the major leagues from two thousand and eight to two thousand and eleven I remember for whatever reason I remember his debut against the Phillies, and he came in with the bases loaded and I want to say he got a double play, and then he struck out Ryan Howard to get out of the jam in his Major League debut at five foot six I I got on a kick this morning of looking at like the smallest players in the history of Sports Muggsy bogues was five three in the NBA earl. Boykin was five five I didn't realize Ben Hogan. The Golfer was only five nine. I didn't realize although thinking back and seeing him. Gasoline back in the. Indy five hundred days on pit row of Mario Andretti's only five seven. Bruce Lee I've got that dvr. I'll watch it from last night only five eight. And the famous jockey. Willie shoemaker was only four eight eleven. Go all of that from Tim Kirch in this morning pointed out that any goodell was born on this date in nineteen fifty. One all right. If you're just joining us, Saturday was the anniversary of scooter genetics four home run game. There is a bit of a pushback at how can scooter genetics performance be considered the best individual performance? In reds history over Tom Browning. Well, let me give you at least my argument. My evidence that I would say. In notice respect to Mr Perfect. He threw a perfect game and. That's hard to top, but I guess I'd I'd argue that this way. Twenty three times. A perfect game have been pitched in the history of baseball. Never. Before had anybody hit four home runs with five hits and ten RB. Is it a game like Scooter Jeanette so which which was tough. Now I guess if we take that element out and just look in the the reds franchise not compared to the rest of Major League Baseball. You can make a real solid case. That perfection is tough to top. But I, think at least we have to put into the conversation Roy. One guy did something that's been done twenty three times in the game. The other guy did something that had never been done before in the game. Maybe. We split hairs and say the best individual hitting performance and festive pitching performance. How about we go back to the phones? How about Florence and Dad? You're on seven hundred W W welcome. Welcome thank you very much. Sure I was thinking Jackson's givens forty three points in the seventy eight championship, but you mentioned. What about back back? No hitters well, that would be two games. That wouldn't be an individual. single-game game. Okay. Yeah, I I lost the semantics, but Jackie's giving forty three points in the. Championship would that be. Would that be considered and I? Don't have that as a category, but I'll certainly create one for you. Is that the greatest single performance by a Kentucky? Walk it I would think based on the fact. It was a championship game it probably. I would assume so yeah. Right I'm going to add that to the list just for you. How about? that. You you as well yeah. I get a lot of I get. I get Johnny Vandermeer. I also get. We've done. This is just a topic in the past I remember. There was a lot of support for our. Sham Ski who homered four consecutive at bats, but it was over two games, and this is single game, so that takes out Johnny Vandermeer. It takes out Art Sham Ski. I mean you consider three home runs in one game in three consecutive at bats, but it took him the next game to do it in four consecutive at bats, so that doesn't fit the topic of single game performance. If we ever did best back-to-back game performance it would be tough to defeat Johnny. Van Bears back to back. No hitters how? How about in Mason Tony. You're on seven hundred. WWL. W how you doing tonight good when he got me. My first bingles game ever would be Bloomberg, precise and Corey Dillon against the Bend Tennessee oilers now. Yes. That's when Corrie set the all time rookie record. If I remember that was that was that I think that was a Thursday night, wasn't it? Wasn't Thursday night I was a forty year old record? Yes, in the previous record I. Think was held. Was that Jim I? Want to say Jim Brown and Brown yet to thirty seven it by two forty six about that now now if we put them side by side. Do. We take corey breaking the all time rookie record. At what did you say it was? To. Forty, six, or do we take corey setting at the time the all time rushing record for anyone at two seventy, eight against the broncos. That's true although I kinda liked the rookie angle because I mean. You've got nothing on your resume. You're like who's this guy is a rookie. You set that kind of I mean that's pretty Dang impressive. Start to how about that? Additional information. I liked them running that day. Of His career, and that's a good one. Tony thanks buddy. I would okay fifth start of his career national TV rookie record to fifty three, but man to seventy eight, and you pass Walter Jim. Brown is. Great, but you're you're what twenty five yards more adding twenty-five more to that. Andrew Breaking Out of the company of Walter. Payton, that's that's pretty impressive. As well I'll give you the other two and I'm going to run out of time on this. The other three other bengals inconsideration pick them. I I make Corey's time record at the time number, one but Kenny Anderson completed twenty consecutive passes in a game against the oilers and eighty-three. Aj Green had a ten catch two hundred twenty seven yard game, not number one, but in the conversation Marvin Jones had a franchise record. Four touchdown catches in a single game against the jets, two thousand, thirteen, not bad in the conversation, not one I think I'm pretty comfortable. Saying it's Corey. It's a matter of how impressed you are him breaking a rookie record in his fifth game or setting the all time record at to seventy eight all right. And I'm left without anything from. Football I haven't had Xavier Basketball and I haven't had a cyclones nomination. We'll do on this date in reds, history and wrap things up. We head down the stretch. Arnelle carriers sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred wliw. The music tells us. It's time to go down back in time in reds history on this day. This is pretty wild batch of happenings. This date nineteen seventeen umpire bill Brian ejects giants manager John. McGraw game against the reds in the sixth inning, McGraw waited for the Empire after the game punched him in the face, was suspended sixteen days and fined five hundred dollars. This Day nineteen twenty eight row. Shred Centerfield rejected in a five four loss of the Polo grounds against the giants ejected taking a nap in center field. During the eighth inning, there was a protracted argument. Reds manager Pat. Moran was arguing with the home plate umpire players came out started argue it took Awhile Ed. Rosh lay down on his glove and fell asleep and they tried to wake him up. They couldn't wake him up the hard to remember the game, not making it up this date. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, four, the reds travel by plane for the first time Cincinnati to Chicago wwl. W puts a transmitter plane with red barber to broadcast the trip. When the plane refuelled in Indianapolis, Barbara in the engineer, got off the plane and drove back to Cincinnati, one coach and seven reds, players chose to take the midnight train Chicago instead of fly this day, nineteen forty-three, the reds take a break in start a series of exhibition games against service camps. They played at Camp Ashbury. In Indiana beat the camp team twelve to six. This date nineteen fifty-nine, the reds acquire elder product Jim Brosnan in a trade for how Jeffcoat Jeffcoat never won a game where he went Brosnan won twenty nine games with forty three saves over the next four years nineteen, sixty one. The reds win a game despite giving up four consecutive home runs to the braves in the seventh inning Eddie, Mathews and Hank Aaron homered Jim Maloney reds went to the bullpen brought in Marshall Bridges. He gave up a home run to Joe Adcock and Frank Thomas Marshall Bridges sounds like a TV show by the way the adventures of Marshall Bridges Nineteen Sixty two on this date, the rock and roll event debuted at. Crosby field the first appearance. It was t night and six local bands performed pre-game, including the peppermint twisters tickets for teens where one dollar there were thirty six hundred ninety two teams that showed up pre-game for the event. I'd never heard that story this date. Nine hundred and sixty five, the first ever amateur baseball draft the Red Select Bernie Carbo carbo would make the major by nineteen, sixty nine, officially, a rookie in nineteen. Nineteen seventy when he hit three ten with twenty one homers by the way in the second round of that draft, the reds took a guy from binger. Oklahoma named Johnny Bench. Perhaps you've heard of him. Nineteen, sixty eight a delay of forty five minutes for the start of the game between the Reds and cardinals at Crosby Field Mill Pappas and Veda. Pinson led protests over the idea of playing on a day of. Of. National Mourning in memory of Robert F Kennedy, who had died after being shot two days earlier eventually, the game started this date. Nineteen seventy-four Bill Plummer Hits Two home runs off Steve Carlton The reds backup Catcher homers twice against Carlton the Hall of Famer to be the only home runs plummer hit that entire season, and finally on this date two thousand twelve. The reds win on a walk off Bunt Wilson. Valdez lays. Lays down a safety squeeze scoring Cairo and the tenth inning. The reds win at great American ballpark. The first time the reds had one on a walk off bunt since Jeff read in nineteen ninety. How about that? All of that happened on this date? And that may be the most eclectic group of things. I've compiled for an on this date in reds history. We had punches to the face naps in Centerfield airplanes. Games against games that a service camp. Rock and roll making debut and a player protests and a forty five minute delay. Let's go back to the phones. We gotTA Hustle. How about? Who? Let's go here. Let's go to Allan Seven hundred wwafl. Hi. How are you I'm well. Thanks for calling. Good Nice to hear an adverb. I I remember listening on the radio. And Reds in Houston, and I don't remember the Houston Astros or still the Colt Fives but Jim Maloney Don Wilson. Each threw no hitters and the reds wanted one to nothing and ten and. Did now did did that happen to this? I thought I thought there was something like that. That happened in back to back games I thought the reds Pitcher, no hitter in one game against the Astros and then the astros. Don Wilson beat the reds on a no hitter in the next game. I don't know anything about that. All I can say is I. Remember listening that game. It was nothing nothing into the tents, and the red scored, and I forget who it was who scored, but we got the one run. Well, you know what? Oh, go ahead. It was it was the only. Job Only double, no hitter that I've ever heard of well. I'll tell you what I appreciate. Your call I'm going to do some research on that now. Get back to your house at. Thank you all right. Thank you appreciate the words. Let me give you what I didn't get to nominated. Xavier Musketeers I thought of Steve Thomas. Steve Thomas scored a school record fifty against Detroit in nineteen sixty four. Tough to end, trayvon blew. It goes off for forty nine three pointers in the crosstown shootout. But it is to me it's it's awfully difficult, if not impossible to not list David West, scoring forty seven, and pulling down eighteen rebounds to beat Dayton at cintas center, February, two thousand and three, he went fifteen of twenty six from the field. He went sixteen nineteen at the free throw line. Go David West for that one in for the UC football I was I had three and I don I. Got Governor Keells debut where he threw for six touchdowns after sitting out for a thousand and twenty days after his transfer, and the whole thing, Dame I had hayden more as a freshman torching Memphis for five hundred fifty seven yards, and four touchdowns on national TV and I had Isaiah. Isaiah peed going for two hundred thirteen yards and five touchdowns against rutgers in the highest scoring game in Big East history. BEARCATS won sixty, nine, thirty eight all right? This was fun. This was more fun than I expected. Thanks for being a part of it tonight. Thanks for contributing what he say. We'll do it tomorrow night and figure out what will do between six and nine and then discuss. Have yourself a great night, Gary? Jeff Walker is after the news on Arnaud Carriers. sportstalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WWL W.