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"Hi, listeners. I'm Ashley Flowers and I have a story I want to tell you. A story about five seemingly random deaths connected by a strange mystery. So gather round. And listen. Close. Hi Angela Open our professor at Mount Edith State University being of competent and sound mind. Hereby, present my findings on paper into the deaths of Gregor Siegel. Kyle Randolph Tate McCain Rio Wilton, and destiny. Wilton. Allow me to propose a question. If you were to observe the stars at night for what might you perceive? Now, I, admit this question is peculiar but one like the Phoenix has consistently revived itself over the last few millennia. Moreover, this question best serves as a heuristic to understanding the facts to follow. So, if you are determined to consider my forthcoming account, I, strongly encourage you to partake in this simple exercise. Go outside at night. And look at the sky. What do you perceive? The question is purposefully ambiguous so that responses will consistently berry. But you see in this variation were offered a glimpse at the mind. It is impossible to encapsulate the entirety of what was seen, but we can begin to describe what was perceived. and. Perception is wholly dependent on the individual. So you see we learn less of the subject, but rather more on the one who studies it Your answer could be entirely empirical. Certainly it was back. Then before man had any concept of atmosphere or space as such, the scope of your response would be refined to the senses. Perhaps the nocturnal colors called to your consciousness as they did Vincent Van Gogh one-star unite. Or perhaps, it is precisely the lack of color that struck. Your attention might have been alerted to the intensifying effect of global pollution. The world drowning in artificial light the clouds four and catering with poisonous smoke. Certainly van Gogh had little to no awareness of the Earth's rising fever. Have you gone outside and looked? Look at the stars. What do you perceive? Do you see the spiralling coalitions of chaos planets and stars scattered across the universe or do you see the tapestry of ancient legend painted history onto the heaven like the Sistine Chapel You might see the stars, the anchors that hold images to the night. But do you see the minds connect them? I. Confess my introduction has been drawn out and perplexing, but I assure you it is relevant to my report. Finally, let me address the essence of this expose. Over the past week five individuals. The same five I previously named have died in seemingly separate incidents. The police have failed to identify any of their deaths as connected. However, I. Tell You. They are more interlinked than those ancient constellations. And their manner of deaths go far beyond accidental. If. You are unfamiliar with any of these victims or the tragedies that befell them. Let me provide you the facts of each case. Gregor Sehgal. Mr Segel was a college senior of twenty two and a student enrolled in my one two intro to astronomy. He was hardly an industrious student as having failed my course once already but I, was not disposed towards him. In fact, I rather hoped he would overcome his failures and learn a sense of maturity before being released from the juvenile scene of fraternity life. His absences were frequent and unannounced as such. I was hardly disturbed when he missed my lecture on olders paradox. But when he was still missing by his mid term exams, the following day I took notice. It was not until the next morning when I was informed of the grave news. Greg Sago had passed away from an extreme overdose of opioids. He was discovered beneath an overpass on claiming street. The area is infamous for attracting needle junkies and unwanted characters. Well I do not contest the official medical report. It fails to describe the events which led Mr Segel to the scene of his death. It was a few days after hearing what had happened to take McCain that I investigated the site myself. According, to Rick, Lehman a handicapped man with one leg shopping cart full of hubcaps and minor. Ketamine he remembers seeing Mr Segel the day he died. If I am to trust this questionable source supposedly Mr Segel was showcasing signs of extreme anxiety. Mr Lehman said the young man arrived in the evening and stayed beneath the bridge the entire night. This behavior is insanely curious for fraternity student who as his peers have confided in me would only use during parties. Why might have he decided to use Ben? Was He. So impatient could not wait a minute more to sample his poison. Or was the comfort of the damn concrete as alluring as a Hilton Suite. Or did he feel pressured to cower away beneath that bridge of sticks by some overwhelming an enigmatic force? Kyle. Randolph was the second victim during that week of tragedy. I was not formally acquainted with Mr Randolph, but was familiar with his face. I often see him towing behind Gregor's stable after class as they collected into a loud group of young men. He was an offensive guardsmen for the university's football team the mount aided mountaineers. He often sported his red and Black Jersey with pride. So I suppose it is poetic that he would die in it. It was late in the day when the mountaineers were holding a training session. Mr Randolph had already endured a full day of physical exhaustion when finally he was made to do one last lap around the track. Even the cool night air could not quell a raging fire in his chest. He was less than halfway in when he began to lose control of himself. He stumbled forward onto his back. Is Wide with horror as his heart gave in? Almost immediately, paramedics were called to his aid. But nothing could be done. On paper, the circumstances around Mr. Randolph's death were averse to Mr, Sables Unlike his friend, Mr Randolph died of natural causes in a familiar environment and among dozens of his peers. Had I. put no effort into investigating these incidents. I too would have thought Mr Randolph's case was extraneous. After all Mr Randolph. Was a larger young man and his family had a long history of heart disease. Surely his health was just a winding clock ticking down to disaster. Still as young as twenty and fit to play on a university team. Hadn't he done those same exercises a hundred times before. But I digress. Tate. McCain. Truly a tragedy. Mister McCain was one of my most promising students. He enrolled in nearly every course I taught and excel the each one like Hercules to the twelve labours. The night prior to his unfitting end, I was conducting a lab for a three. Oh, four astro biology. Mister McCain, asked to stay late so that he could run a few extra models. I would never discourage the curious mind. So I told him it was acceptable. So long as he locked up the lap. When I left I bid him farewell and said I would see him in the morning for a three eleven. Are Ko astronomy. Come morning however, there was no McCain. I might have been able to ignore Mr Segel's extended sabbaticals but Mr McCain's absence had me considerably concerned. I checked the lab and found it had been properly locked and equipment put away in respectable. This did nothing to alleviate my puzzlement for I still was without knowledge to his leave. But his whereabouts would not stay a mystery furlong. If you are local to the university area. You have likely already heard the rumors. and. If you are of sensible mind, you were probably quick to disregard them as fiction. But those there that day who saw the body before it was quickly concealed by university staff know that the rumors were impaled comparison to the truth. I know because I was there too. And had I not recognized the very same outfit he that day prior, there would have been no way for me to recognize his horribly Gord face. I was put under speculation for a while having the last recorded contact with Mister, McCain. It was only reasonable. But the case was quickly turned around and closed. The overwhelming evidence on the scene proved that Mister McCain had performed fatal self mutilation. Campus surveillance captured the dreadful scene from several angles. According to the Weird County police every one of Mr McCain's final moments were regarded captured on video. For the sake of his family, the Weird County police have not publicly released the film. But a few of the faculty myself included have been allowed to view it. After I had left that night Mr McCain worked in a lab for another hour. Before cleaning up locking the room it was nine, forty, two PM. He, left the north side building and was heading in the direction of the dormitories when he started to display strange behaviour. Still heading in the same direction he suddenly began darting from tree tree crouching his head as though something might fall on top of him. It was beneath one of these trees where Mister McCain began to ruthlessly claw at his eyes. He eventually collapsed. And died from blood loss. No theory to his suicide has satisfied me. Conventional drugs cannot be blamed for the police found no traces within his system. It's true Mister McCain was enrolled with twenty two credit hours and even employed part time on the weekends. But if he was so overwhelmed with work to the point of self-destruction, why? Why would he had asked to stay for an extra hour in the lab? Had I not taught him since he first arrived at the university. Would I not have seen the signs of strain on one of my most intelligent students? It was precisely when police concluded their investigation that I began my own. I started by questioning his friends a few of which were also my students. After Class I. interviewed each of them separately. Their questions whereas numerous as mind and their statements typically unenlightening. But it was one lily porter who informed me of the party Mister McCain had been present to five days prior. Miss Porter explained that she and Mr McCain had gone together to the party at a campus fraternity house. The Same Fraternity House as Mr Segel attended. I asked Miss Porter. If there were any incidents at this party which dealt Mister McCain stress. She stated no but rather, he was having a pleasant time in even began flirting with a young girl from another school. This young girl I would later learn was destiny Hiltermann. Rio Hiltermann was destinies older sister of three years a senior at a community college near Cops Hill, and the fourth victim after Mister McCain. Unfortunately. I know less about Rio will remain than any of the others. She was mostly local to cops hill. So I had never seen her face nor did her obituary appear in my morning paper? Through my own research I learned that Miss Wilson was driving home one night from her part time job at the Ferris family coroner's office when she steered off the road and crashed into a tree. According to the very same establishment, Miss Wilton was returned to. She died instantly. Dear destiny. tremend- was such a delicate soul. Like. A White Begonia. Her caring heart is something to see in brimming light. Yet there she is so vulnerable. burning. Away from the shade. I had the pleasure of meeting with Miss Destiny will tremend- while she was still alive. Unfortunately I came too late to see her sister. Perhaps it was my subconscious aware of the flowers final bloom that warned me time was short but I contacted destiny chairman instantly after Miss Porter's testimony. When I did I. offered my full and uncensored desire for a meeting. She had every right and sensible reason to ignore my requests and yet. She agreed. I visited her family home the next day. She was frightfully distraught as can be understood to a sister in mourning. But behind her grief, I also sensed a very primal fear. Discussion took to that night at the fraternity party. She explained, it had been her sister's idea to go. reas bolstering confidence was often gravitational destiny orbited about her every decision. If her big sister thought, they should go to a college party than they went. And it wasn't like they were complete strangers rea- Hudson old friends at Eighth University. The two had a few drinks and mingled. Soon, enough RIA was off spending private time with some boy and destiny was left adrift among an alien crowd. At some point, she was approached by Tate McCain. They talked and laughed for a while until rea- came stumbling down the stairs crushed on the shoulder of Gregor ll. Ria then tells destiny that Gregor is going to show them a movie. Destiny reluctantly follows but not before convincing McCain to join that. He agrees and the four meet with Gregor's friend Kyle Randolph in the theater room. And so finally. Our stories converge. Five victims of seemingly unrelated tragedies are found all alone in the same room just days before they die. What happens in that room sets forth a series of era personable calamities. Destiny said the room clung to a smell of pot and liquor. She was nervous worried Gregor might try and pressure them into using drugs. However. This was not the case. Apparently familiar with the proceedings took a bag of chips to one of the loungers. Rea- fell into a beanbag chair as Gregor. Drunkenly paste a shelf full of video games, Blu Ray DVD's and football memorabilia. He looked into a cupboard just below the shelves and pulled out a few classic VHS tapes. The covers according to destiny were all white but had a ribbon of color along one side. Most were green. But. One was purple. Gregor boasted his small collection passing them one of the Green Stripe tapes. The cover had the silhouette of swordfish and -scribed in Marco was the title Green Swordfish Twelve. Destiny asked if this was the movie they were going to watch but Gregor, shook his head and said, they were going to try a new one. He said all the tapes aside except for the one with the Purple Ribbon. Destiny said the name of this film was Herpel Moon Four? Destiny Hiltermann could not tell me what was on that tape. Either she could not remember or she refused to remember but she said they left that party after finishing the film. It's not clear whether those five felt any adverse change upon finishing the tape but. Just then as I looked into the hollow is of Destiny Wilton I pictured the canyons of carnage carved into tate McCain's face. Such as I struggled to formulate my questions destiny searched her words to express some insoluble secret. Her next words would forever be like a which to my mind. She leaned in desperately and whispered. Do you see the lines that connect the stars. Try as I did I could not apprehend her thoughts. And so we were both left to despair. For I was alone without understanding. And she was alone without anyone to understand. As I left I promised to return her call the next day. Destiny Wilton took her own life that night. Hanging. Herself with the curtains that defended against the starry night. If you were to observe the stars at nightfall. What might you perceive? In the times of the ancient Greeks the constellations were not just legend but divine. Their positions in the sky were chosen by the gods themselves. To suggest anything less was heresy. Today the opposite is true. The stars were set by a random displacement in the universe. Their existence is natural and far removed from our lives. And their constellations are but delusions of the mind. After all modern science, proves that the stars are light years apart. Do you see now. Do, you see how they're all connected. Certainly, they were all present at that party in the theater room that dreadful day. But it's more than that. It did not come all at once, but it unraveled itself. They all saw it. The same thing they witnessed on that tape. I suspect they witnessed it before they died. Gregor. SAGO. Beneath a bridge beneath the sky escaping into drugs. Into death. Kyle Randolph, pushed to exhaustion but struck down by fear. Down by the night. Tate McCain. Running? Running underneath the site of stars. A site, he could no longer bear. Real. Walterman driving home catching a glimpse of the black. and. In a glimpse, her life is done. Destiny will terminate. Surrendering before her window. Before the dark. If you were to observe the stars at night nightfall. Might you perceive. Does it compare to all? That's there. Does it hold a candle to the stars. I went to search for Greg's collection for Purple Moon for. But all of the tapes were gone. Someone took them. So I am forever alone without understanding. I can't stop wondering whether what those vice saw on that tape made them Matt. Or made them see. When often I am plagued by this thought I must go under the night sky and look up. Were the ancient Greeks. So wrong to perceive the divine among the heavens. Certainly, they are light years apart. What do you see? You see the stars. But do you see the lines that connect them? This series was produced by Ashley Flowers and David Flowers, this episode was written by David Flowers and read by Ashley Flowers. This story was modified slightly for audio retailing, but you can find the original info on our website. 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Katie Porter Enjoys Being a Fish Out of Water
"Salesforce presents a mini meditation. Unplug your mind leaving all your devices to their own devices. Ignore your smartphones. Headphones tablets gadgets. Let them all reach are so you can refocus on your customer on your path to customer success. Focus your teams with a single three sixty degree view of your customer with salesforce customer. Three sixteen find customer focus at salesforce dot com slash. three sixty. My name is rita k. I am ellen bernstein brodsky. this is your grandmother. What's the matter with your well and is a podcast about the relationship between grandmothers and grandchildren as my mother would have said taka. Who would've wanted a jewish grab. Sometimes she accidentally livestreams. Who's going to tell her up just hearing about this. Listen to call your grandmother on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Well you get your debts. This is alec baldwin. And you're listening to. Here's the thing from iheart. Radio my guest today is united states congresswoman katie porter a democrat in her second term. Quarter represents california's forty fifth district in orange county which is traditionally conservative. She's a consumer protection attorney and a law professor. She quickly developed a name for herself in her first term with tough questioning of people tend to find before congress often using her famous whiteboard to hold. Ceo's and political appointees accountable katie porter grew up on a farm in iowa during the farm crisis of the nineteen eighty s. She broke with family tradition of attending state school to go to yale and went on to harvard law school. She decided to run for office. After trump's win in two thousand sixteen and became the first democrat elected in her district. Katie reporter is comfortable being a fish out of water. I like to be challenged. I like to learn. And i think that was a huge part of why i chose to go off to college far away from iowa to stretch myself. I love being professor. I was a professor here. At the university of california irvine teaching business law courses and that really stretch myself when i ran for congress in one of the great things about being in congress that i never hear anyone talking about which makes me kinda skeptical. I frankly is that the great thing about this job is every minute. You should be learning something whether that's listening to your constituents whether that's a briefing from about national security whether that's having a meeting with your staff. There's just so much to learn to be able to do this job effectively. And i liked that so in some ways. It's very much like being a professor. My job is to learn stuff and then to help teach and so in. This case isn't of teaching classroom. I think about teaching the american people. You graduated harvard law school but year. Two thousand one so when you left there where did you go from there. Where did you. I go out of school so i went to clerk for a federal judge in little rock arkansas. He was a wonderful judge and this surprise people who weren't allowed other law clerks. Who wanted to work on the bankruptcy cases. It's literally i think. I got to work on. Every single bankruptcy opinion the entire eighth circuit court of appeals. Which stretches from. North dakota down to arkansas worked on that year and then they went off and i took the bar exam and i practice law in portland oregon for a couple years. What led you to portland from little rock. My now ex husband is from their family. Yeah family and you a good place to practice there and then decided that i wanted to become law professor and i haven't really gone to law school thinking. Maybe i wanna be a professor. I had thought about getting a phd and at the time the idea of writing a book seemed really long to me which is funny because now written to textbooks that are like a thousand pages each But when i got to law school. I i really liked it. I wasn't sure what. I wanted to teach what i love what i want to spend my whole career studying and then i took elizabeth warren's bankruptcy class and that was it that was what i wanted to spend my life working on this while you're in law school. This is what. I went to las my third year law school. Tell the story of you would have you approach warren after she was less than cuddly toward you in class. Yeah so elizabeth was a really great professor She called on students And you had to have your homework done yet. It'd be prepared if you showed up. And so i was a rule follower. I did my homework. Is that in the front row. Which i thought would help her overlook me but it didn't really work out that way and so you know one of the solutions to not being called on his to raise your hand And so she was asking a question and a raise my hand and i gave what i thought was a pretty good answer and i remember her turning to me. I'll never forget the human gesture. I can do it today. She said thank miss porter. Think and i remember. Just wilting inside. Because i was thinking it was thinking so hard and i was coming up short and i went to see her after that and i said don't give me. I've never taken a course like this before. I didn't take some of the kind of course you often take their introductory to bankruptcy and just jumped into the deep end. I was like. Don't give up on me. I really care about this stuff. And the reason i care so much about bankruptcy was growing up in iowa in the nineteen eighties. Drink farm-aid and the tractor motorcades and watching the farming community where. I grew up really struggling economically. When i got to bankruptcy. I realized there are tools long policy to help when you made that request of warranted. She granted what she or give and take with you in the classroom. She no it actually was the opposite. She came back to me even more because she knew i really cared like she knew that it mattered to me. My message to her wasn't taken easy on me. It was don't give up on me. And a lotta professors. I mean i see this witness rooms actually in hearings and people will ask a witness a question and the witness will stonewall given nonsense answer another crusher answer another question and what my colleagues will do is. They'll just give up. they'll move on. They'll start giving a speech but just like in the classroom. When i gave a wrong answer. Warren didn't say oh well let me go find someone more cooperative. She told me think she stuck with me. As i was learning. So whenever i hear someone nonsense or i'm not going anywhere. You sit something interesting when people don't give a good answer. I i myself become exhausted by the unwillingness people to answer the questions of the duly elected members of congress you are here and congresswoman porter or anybody. You're not doing this for your health. You're doing this on behalf of your constituents in the american people you're representing the american people and many of them are so smug so arrogant and won't answer your question and i was wondering. Do you find that. The authority of the congress's weakened in recent years because people feel like what does it matter. There's no teeth behind this. So i think that some of the things that we've been able to do with our hearings is actually restore a sense of accountability to this. Which is up you. If i ask you a question and you give me a nonsense answer. I'm not gonna pretend that what you said make sense. I'm not going to accept a wrong answer. If you're dodging if you're stonewalling. I'm gonna try to get you to answer so you would think i mean sort of an interesting to me. I remember like maybe the second or third hearing i was at nearly now everyone will come really prepared like i won't stop anybody anymore because they'll know that you have to show up and take me seriously but i've been underestimated my whole life. At this point. I kind of exploit that and is still show up. And they're contemptuous or they're unprepared. I mean the other day. Steve mnuchin said well. Are you a lawyer. Yes i am like since you mentioned earlier but i think the goal is that they shouldn't be performance art moments they should reach substantive. And so you're the one thing i'll say about the whiteboard is it's not about trying to go viral. It's not about an antic. it's not an antic. it is a tool. And so sometimes i use it. Sometimes they don't sometimes they use other things. Whose idea was that. I don't think it was. Maybe one of my staffers are when we start the first time we ever used. It was with jamie diamond. We were trying to go through the budget of a worker or a typical family would spend and compare it to the salary and show that even though he's paying more than minimum wage people can't make ends meet on that should two thousand four hundred and twenty five dollars a month. She rents a one bedroom apartment. She and her daughter sleep together in the same room in irvine. California that average one bedroom apartment is going to be sixteen hundred dollars. She spends one hundred dollars on utilities. Take away the seventeen hundred and she has net seven hundred twenty five dollars four hundred dollars for car expenses and gas net. Three twenty five. A low food is four hundred dollars that leaves her seventy seven dollars in the red. She has a crooked cheapest cell phone she can get for forty dollars. She's in the red one hundred seventeen dollars a month. She after school childcare because the bank is open during normal business hours. That's four fifty a month that takes her down to negative five hundred sixty seven dollars per month. My question for you. Mr diamond is how should she manage this budget shortfall while she's working fulltime at your bank and so the idea of a whiteboard was just instead of having all these numbers what she spends on rent and food and rattling it all off a million miles an hour and then he says i'm sorry. Could you repeat that. I mean that is what every the first refuge every unprepared student in every classroom in america is tasked the teacher. I'm sorry could you repeat the question. That's a courtroom tactic. Yeah exactly so especially in congress. We only have five minutes so if someone says could you repeat that. And you've spent a minute setting up the question your loss so the idea. The went was to prevent him from being able to sort of dodge install and the interesting thing that he said is. I'd have to think about it. And i asked him. You know again. And he said i have to think about it and i asked him what about this. And he said he'd have to think about it and really. I hope he is. I hope that moment did prompt him to think. When i was doing saturday night live for this long run during trump's thing and we would be there at night would pitch ideas and i wanted your car to to have the whiteboard everywhere like you were with your kids at the breakfast table or let me show you and you have the whiteboard out of your drawing everything for your children and your boyfriend and your at the gas station and whatever everywhere you go someone is handing your whiteboard but i wonder is there a distinction between when you're questioning people not only the question you ask the way you ask them again. You have five minutes but the way you anticipate. They're going to respond when their government administrators. Who are there to protect in the distraction. Do you see. There's a difference between the two when someone who is a political appointees before you or the even worse in terms of their genus. No not always. I mean i think it just depends on the witness. We tried to intimidate what the witness will say in other words. What's the obvious thing they're going to try to dodge with where they're going to try to misdirect us. If we we research witnesses sometimes we'll watch video clips of them to try to understand kind of what they're like Whether they get easily frustrated whether they launched into long boring explanations and prepared to cut that off. But i think one of the great myths is that the oversight committee where i'm so excited to be serving again in this congress somehow is less important or less exciting in a democratic administration given that i'm a democrat than it was when we were Trump administration so opposite. I would just tell you that. These are both oversight. Stays important once. We're enacting programs that i have supported. I have voted for as a democrat. I'm even more concerned that these programs are working as intended so their responsibility to do good oversight. It's not a partisan thing it's part of effective government now. Do you go back to your office and watch yourself watch clips of yourself and review what you've done to see how effective or ineffective you think it might have been not usury. I mean it's interesting. After i question when questioning. I typically have no idea what anybody else around me is doing or saying or reacting. It's it's just me and that witness right and just looking at them like after. I questioned postmaster dejoy. Oh my gosh. There wasn't sure that. I made the point that i wanted to make it turns out i think i did but when i got off i was just like. I don't think i didn't. I think i messed it up so it's often. It's not about how. I'm feeling it's about whether it's resonating with the american people so often that's about how people react to it so you could make something that you think is great. You know but if other people don't find it moves them then. It doesn't really work what's going to happen with Dejoy is a civil service. Thing in his job is safe. He can't be fired was so he was appointed by the postal board which oversees the post office so they can remove him And i hope they do. There's also the possibility that he does. What so many people have done it. You came from the trump administration which they quit Which i certainly hope is what happens. If he doesn't quit the may help. The postal board holds him accountable because they really a lot of the problems that he created. you know. He has not been able to fix the mush revealing part of that was when i asked her. I said well you keep saying you didn't do all these things. It's not my fault but someone else did this. So i'm the very last person to question. I think i am the forty eight percent to ask questions or something crazy like that. So i asked him what you said. You didn't do this. Who did obvious question right but nobody asked he should know all day wall people had just said. Why did you do this. I mean well. I didn't and i asked him who did it. And he said he couldn't tell me which tells you there's an even bigger problem. I'm sorry that you don't have the opportunity to remove him yourself. Because i mean he basically turned the post office into an office max for the republican party. But i want to get back to something else. And that is when you're down in southern california and you go to orange county who was primarily to take the teaching gig at uc irvine. If you see irvine is a campus inside the red red red part of california there in orange county. What was it like for you down there working. There was it a very conservative staff and administration and faculty. no. I mean look e- irvine is changed a lot and a big part of the reason that irvine orange county has changed is in part the presence of the university. It's a large employer. Here attracts bright and interesting and thoughtful people from all around the country and even the world. And so you know my kids go to school in public school here and there. They have some very conservative classmates. I mean what am i former cub scouts. I was his cub scout denver for five years. That kid actually made phone calls for my republican opponent in two thousand eighteen. So i don't know what that says about my cub scout skills. But actually there are role diversity of opinion here but there are very progressive. People here to there are people in the middle. There are republicans. I liked that diversity. I represent roughly equal numbers of republicans. Democrats and no party preference or independent voters and what that means is on any given topic. I need to know how to talk to people who will come at it from a lot of different perspectives. And that is an incredible skill to have. And i wish all my colleagues had it frankly so when you won in and twenty eighteen. It was close. It was a tight race. Correct jerry i lost. I like to say. I lost before i won on election night. You typically have three speeches in california. You have i won. I lost a. We don't know because it often takes awhile to count all the the mail ballots. And so i gave the. I don't know speech the we don't know but everybody was crying and telling me try. I got all these sympathy calls and sympathy emails. You know we love you anyway. Nice try you know. You made a difference. Even though you're you're not going to make a difference kind of things and then slowly but surely over the next couple of days took about seven days one as why we get these messages back. Never mind do we could do it. Lost faith in you know in the second race this last election. You one more handily correct. I won by six percent. I think i'm the first time it was four. So i made up. I made up a little bit of ground. Yeah who was your opponent in the twenty s twenty. Twenty opponent was a man named greg rats. Who's been in the city council of mission viejo here. And what did he come after you with. What was his pitch. It was just you know she is a democrat. She's a democrat. This is orange county and he just sort of like you know. I think there is an attitude that people are entitled to have republican representation here. What they're entitled to his good representation right people who've listened to them people who fight for them people who are not corrupt and that didn't come in your democratic or republican forums. And so the fact that i don't take corporate pack money than grassroots funded. I think that really helped me reach a lot of those independent voters and even republican voters. Who are really skeptical including younger. Democratic voters were really skeptical about whether people in washington really work for them. Congress person katie porter. I'm alec baldwin. And you're listening to. Here's the thing from iheart radio. If you like conversations about politics go our archives for my live show with nixon white house and watergate. Figure john dean. It's after listening to that conversation. I let my fingers do the walking in the criminal code to figure out. What in the world are we doing. And i discovered the obstruction statute. And i discovered the conspiracy statute and i realize we're in a whole lot of trouble now. You might have thought that first reaction would be to run for the hills. I mean i had exactly the opposite reaction. That's when i double down. That's when i try to make the cover up work here. More of my conversation with john dean in our archives at. Here's the thing dot org after the break. I talked to katie porter about what surprised her when she got to washington and early two thousand. Nineteen when you have a pandemic like this. The diseases that should be brought to light are not brought to light and when they do come in they have the most severe problems that should have been dealt with. A month ago or two months ago i recently had a case of a person who had appendicitis and they sat home for four days and now they're appendicitis ruptured. Now they're in the hospital for a couple of days because that rupture causes them to become septic. That's dr paul. Bosch vaa an er physician in hero faced with impossible decisions day to day and yet despite this undeniable emotional and physical strain. They're the ones we turn to for. Help demanding perfection. So it's a very big problem because common diseases are being missed and common diseases are going to the extremes so it's more of a burden when they come in this late. I'm justin beck founder and ceo of contact world. 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I'm alec baldwin and you're listening to here's the thing i wanted to know how katie puerto won her seat. People people send me money. How much did you spend twenty twenty. I spent six million dollars to raise. Six million from individual countries spent six million and they spent six million in two thousand eighteen. Tv is incredibly expensive to advertise to all of los angeles meant all of orange county. Even though i just represent a little part of a part of orange county but you know people will send five dollars ten dollars. They'll send notes with it when you got there twenty eighteen. What did you think the job was going to be like. And how what did you find. It was really like one thing. That surprised me. And i i know it. Surprised fellow colleagues is how much i really loved doing the work in the district with my constituents here in my home And how much. I really didn't like being in washington right so i ran for congress because i wanted to make policy. I wanted to make people's lives better. And i think associated that with things that happened in washington but it turns out that a lot of the time you spend in washington is just scream back and forth to boats that are sometimes important but sometimes there are really like meaningless. Frankly almost meaningless and being here in the community was so rewarding so behind the stucco and the neatly trimmed hedges of orange county or amazing and interesting businesses and nonprofits and community organisations. So some of the favorite things. I've done are. I toured a lightweight body armor manufacturer here in irvine that i had driven down that road a million times taking my kids to the target and never known that right there they are making body armor that keep men and women safe working to design actually special armor. That better fits women's bodies and so you know seeing those little parts pockets of your community and realizing just how amazing things are around you. You really learned every nook and cranny of your district and what's really going on there still learning. I absolutely love it. And when you went to washington and you talk about the importance of the work that you do within the district but when you went to washington what did you think that was going to be like with your colleagues and stuff for the what it turn out to be. There'd be more substantive policy discussion. Among regular members hus- representatives is four hundred and thirty plus people are big for censo- it turns out that a lot of things are kind of decided before they get to you that they're decided by leadership at the relevant committee has kind of figured everything out before it comes to you and you're just in a situation of yes or no on the vote and i think that's where i saw hearings as this great opportunity because if you're not if you're a newcomer to congress you don't have a lot of power especially on the democratic side but we have a strong seniority system but one of the few equal things about congress. Everybody gets five minutes for their questioning. So i decided. I was going to use my five minutes better than anybody else or as well as i could to the maximum of kind of my ability And that's where. I found the greatest reward. Really in the thing that's rewarding for me is. It's not the answer. Is that these witnesses give because they're often really bad answers. It's the american people watch and they see that. That lady is asking what i've always wondered. Why do the drugs cost so much right. Why does the getting more expensive. Do you know what the price of revolution was in two thousand thirteen. I can look it up. I don't recall. I don't have it in front of me or hundred twelve propel twenty seventeen i would properly seven hundred dollars a pill again. I don't have in front of me. Seven hundred nineteen per pill and today rubble. Med cost seven hundred and sixty three dollars per pill. I'm curious did the drug get substantially more effective in that time to cancer patients. Leave fewer pills. She's asking about me. And that's really for me in the rose for warning pert. You're a single mom where you got divorced when you're how old now they're now fifteen twelve and nine so you were a single mom now for almost a decade. Yeah and do you maintain call one of the things you focus on about the all the women that are losing jobs. We're losing a lot of women in the workplace because of the covid correct absolutely huge issue. What are some of the legislation. You might or might not propose to address that. So when i was elected in the last congress at that time i was the only single mother of young children to serve since then. Republicans have elected one. But this idea of a single household the single parent household isn't well represented in washington to put it mildly so when we talk about issues like child poverty. One of the reasons for that is women. Single women single moms single dads trying to raise a family on one income What happens financially to families when they get divorced It's it's very difficult and so when we see right now. What we know is about twenty. Two percent of women have left the workforce since the pandemic lot of those lost jobs. Some of them are women who are leaving because they're putting a position to choose between taking care of their kids are out of school remote learning or you know having to go to work in their home alone. This has long term implications not just for women's economic opportunities and child poverty but also for our economy as a whole. If we're a capitalist economy we need our best and brightest doing the work competing for the jobs and that means men and women people of different backgrounds all having an opportunity to be in the workplace and in our country. We're losing a lot of women. Out of the workforce and that's going to have big implications for our global competitiveness. It's not just a women's issue. We all benefit from strong healthy economy. Where my favorite phrases. And i use it. All the time with my staff is buy the ticket take a ride right and this actually applies to capitalism to if we want to say and you hear these people who are uber capitalist. They're they're anti government. They're worried about this. They're they're throwing up this ridiculous specter of socialism. Well guess what inherent in capitalism is equal opportunity to compete. And that's true about antitrust enforcement but it also has to be true about social mobility. It has to be that that you're not allowing things like race discrimination to taint who you promote in the marketplace. You're paying people. Not because of the color of their skin but because of how good they are at their jobs all these things are perversions of capitalism and we ought to be standing up for them on that basis as well as the fact that they're morally reprehensible now obviously we have a graduated income tax in this country. The more money you make the more you pay in taxes. Why isn't the same principle applied to these trillion dollar covert relief bills meaning. Why are we giving a single penny to a family. That's making over two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Okay great question. So i wanna push back on a couple of things one. Is you said we have a graduated income tax or a push back on that say we theoretically have graduated income tax. Okay that's what it says on paper when you look it up on the back of the. Irs booklet if you still do your taxes on paper but in actuality people who earn a lot often pay a lower effective tax rate because we have loopholes. We have problems in our tax system and so we need to close that gap because a lot of people who are running around talking about how they're in the highest tax bracket are paying taxes in that higher bracket because of capital gains. Because of all kinds of other things the other issue with regard to covert relief is walk. We definitely want to focus the help where it is needed but we also cannot be so focused on making sure that nobody gets any help that they don't need that we slow the whole thing down and we ultimately allow people to die and to suffer waiting around and there are people in very expensive areas where they were spending all of their money to make ends meet now boom childcare. You have kids child care for my daughter betsy when she went to the university of california irvine childcare cost more than it would have been undergraduate at uci childcare one year preschool was more than it would have been for her to be an undergraduate so all of a sudden when you'd have all these kids out of school people expenses are going up even if their income maybe stable so we have to think about the entire the entire effect here. And here's the main thing. I have to say to people. Covid relief is the financially and fiscally responsible thing to do. If we get this wrong it will set our economy back for a decade or more. It'll be a depression or howard. Dean was on the show the other day and said the same thing i said. Do you think we're running a risk by printing trillions of dollars. He said the problem will be if we don't spend that money absolutely. We have to invest it wisely. We have to make sure putting into programs that are working. We have to root out fraud. Waste and abuse So i think it's ridiculous for example that we passed a paycheck protection program a ppp program for small businesses that allow congress members to get loans. That's nuts that's a mistake in the program but our biggest risk here is not doing enough and leaving people mired a long-term poverty and hardship out of the workplace atrophying skills when other countries are not making that same mistake so obviously the current senator. There padilla is an appointee interim because harrison other vice president. Do you think that that's his seat to hold onto or does the congresswoman have other ideas about her future in california politics. I really excited about alex. Padilla representing me and my family In the senate to end. I've contributed to his reelection campaign already I think he's going to be a wonderful partner and a really important voice for california He has an amazing life story. He went to mit. He's incredibly smart. So i think you can safely paint me as a fan of alex padilla in somebody who's really excited about working with him. He just got added to the senate banking committee Yesterday so i told my staff like call him up. Let's start working on bills together. Do you think that you have what it takes to serve in the senate. Where do you think you're better off. You are on the congress. Oh look wherever you put me. I'm going to fight for the american people. I mean this is. I was a professor. I became a professor to understand what was wrong with our laws and how we could make it better. When i'm in the house that's what i'm thinking about what's wrong. How can we make it better. It's going to be the same thing with roy would be in the administration. Whatever i go on to do after this you know. These are the fundamental questions fundamental question. That is motivated. My life is how do week achieve economic prosperity for all americans. And i'm gonna keep asking that question. Whatever job i'm in and i look. The house is fun at scrappy It's a bit chaotic. you're right But you know whatever. I've gone i've always tried to make the most of what i've gotten and so you know whatever the future holds. I'm pretty sure. I'm going to still be asking tough questions. The honorable katie porter. Enjoying this conversation be sure to subscribe to. Here's the thing on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast while you're there please leave us a review. I really appreciate it when we come back. Katie porter talks about why trump must be convicted by the senate. Serve you know who it is. Dj screen big bang. Checking in and big facts has officially touchdown on the black affect. And i heart now. Bang you know big facts. It ain't for the week hard in a foot of sensitive big big thanks which ended up about real topics real situations. And of course you know. We have no conversations with the biggest names in the coach. Twenty-one savage is all big fast given what's going on with you when you get to a certain level. I bet out of cars. You got everything. I cannot help my community. And i live my people out of money where staring at me like feel like you complete. I like beer jar embiid. Fakes nothing bigger biggest. Big facts make sure you listen to fax on iheartradio app on apple podcasts. Or whatever you get your podcast know how we come. I'm alec baldwin and this. Here's the thing from iheartradio when protesters stormed the us capitol building on january six. Katie porter wasn't far from the insurrection. I was on the capital rallies In my office which is not in the capital which housebuilding longworth in the north and more as has now memorialized. The dunkin donuts building. Pa which was actually a factor. Why that it's very handy to be able to go get coffee in the morning. But i was in my office in alexandria ocasio cortez. I've passer in the hallway as they went into my office and she kind of waved and a few seconds later she came back and knocked on the door. And said can i come in miss it of course and she came inside. She was obviously very rattled. There'd been a bomb threat in her building. I didn't know that at the time. and so we sheltered together. Along with a couple of staffers for about four or five hours. Six hours in my office barricaded the doors turn the lights off. Pulled the windows. Silence the phones just in the cold in the dark worried that will going on at the capitol where there were cameras watching. What you can't see is that there are underground. Tunnels connecting the capital to our office buildings. If the attackers had come down those tunnels we would not have known. They were coming And so we just stayed barricaded in there for hours and and didn't know what was happening when you look back on it now. What do you think should happen. Oh to protect us. I mean look we have to. We have a real problem in this country with Misinformation with with violence You know our democracy is strong but it is not unshakable And this was a this was a powerful earthquake. Powerful shake To our democratic principles. So i think we have to reaffirm that. It's okay to disagree so to have different ideas. I remember wrench county. I represent a lot of constituents that i disagree with That's okay that's healthy but violence in a democracy is never okay. Medina voted to impeach trump. I did twice and the senate is not going to convict you know. I think they should convict him. I think that this is i think too. Many people are thinking about this. Just from the punitive angle about trump. But we have rule of law in this country and part of that. Rule of law is precedent. So what we are doing here is saying. This conduct was not acceptable. And if anyone does it's not who we are so if you're wondering future president whether you can act like president trump did the answer is no. You will be impeached this illegal so we need to set that precedent and established that boundary. Bet you everything. I own at the onset of trump's administration that it never would have ended this way minted ends his political legacy ends on this note one of destruction and hate and lawlessness and stuff with which which defines you know. I've always said that the government's purpose is to do the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of people. This is not some concierge service to help wealthy american. And i'm wondering what's the change you'd like to see in the campaign finance laws. That will help clean that up. Yeah no corporate pack. Money is a huge part of it. Citizens united saying companies are people right. So you're reversing citizens united stopping corporate pac contributions or at least forcing corporations to disclose them to shareholders and justify how this actually provides any value to the corporation I think that's really important. I think camping finance. Generally i think smaller contributions are great. Because you know five dollars dollar volunteering your time. People can feel themselves part of democracy part of the process. But you know until we clean that up until clean up some of the corruption. It's going to be really hard. I think it's the source of all of the problems that this country the problems which committee you want your on one exclusive committee. I wasn't an exclusive committee last congress which is financial services. You're not there anymore. I'm not there anymore now. I was later in the year. I got added to oversight when there were openings so now i'm on continuing on the oversight committee of really excited about that. I love that oversight like doing it for all different kinds of areas everything from pentagon spending to pharmaceuticals two car seats Civil liberties and now joined the natural resources committee which has jurisdiction over public lands over tribal lands all the drilling on public lands oceans wildlife. So you know. I said the other day polluters. I have questions So i'm really excited about that. It's incredibly important issue in california. It's important to our global competitiveness. In the future of the company that the economy the nation that has manufacturing jobs in the next decade will be that country that figures had a manufacturer in greenway. We leave that to be us. Bobby kennedy june used to say let's force them to bring their products to market at their actual cost. What are the american people really paying for a gallon of gas. You throw the. Pcb's in the hudson river. We have to clean it up. That should be a part of the cost of your thing. The woman who studied bankruptcy law at harvard with elizabeth. Warren who saw it out of the finance committee anymore. Sure i definitely sorry. I mean i asked to serve. Because i wanted to Might want to continue working on those issues. And i hope they'll be opportunity for me to fill a vacancy in the future To get back to that committee Excited to be on the economic and consumer protection subcommittee of oversight on many keep doing a lot of work on financial services issues from that so absolutely wish i were on what happened. You know they just had so many spots. They voted people on and off. I was one of people who didn't get it. Eight or ten people did get chosen. Other people were chosen. But you know what like. They've been underestimated a lot. When i went out now people are like oh well. She kickoff financial services. Financial services is where all the hot committee action. Trust me when i went on financial services at room was like. Oh my god. That's the most boring committee. No one's going to pay attention. Donuts right so wherever i go. I'm going to try to engage. The american people. And i don't think there is a bad committee in congress. These are all important. Let me just save. I really mean this people who really are so disheartened him in their crushed and demoralized by the inefficiency of the american government. They've lost faith and then along. You come and all my friends who see you. You know what they are. They're proud of you there so proud of you. 'cause they get when you're there you're not there for the self-aggrandizing you're doing this because you care and you take the job seriously and you find your finding and honing away to use the job. The office has tool. You're honing tool to do the work. You want to do on behalf of the american people so thank you so much. Thank you thank you so much for having me u s representative katie porter. I'm alec baldwin. Here's the thing is brought to you by iheartradio we're produced by kathleen russo. Carry donahue zach macneice. Our engineer is frank imperio. Thanks for listening
Buford State Rep Not Running for Re-Election; Mask Recommended, Not Required; Peachtree Corners Looking at Tax Contract
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Safe face masks are strongly recommended but not required and lawrenceville jones has been reelected georgia transmission corporation secretary-treasurer plus there's a resource expo tomorrow at the walmart health clinic in swanee and we'll take a look at sports around wynette with sports. Editor will hamming a very competitive. The kids in this league are very good. The league were go. Nuts turned out many college level swimmers. A handful of olympians. That are all of all slamming. Got their start in this league. Why kia mall of georgia. We provide award winning. Customer satisfaction have been a family owned business for over twenty years spying or leasing with us as fast and easy and you could get pre approved online and four simple steps. We offer top dollar trade ins and have new vehicle specials that are updated every month and are factory trained technicians make servicing your vehicle convenient with extended service hours. 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But it's a republican leaning part of gwinnett. The democrats were not able to crack in two thousand sixteen and twenty twenty presidential elections or in the two thousand eighteen gubernatorial election alicia teagan. Esol teacher at starting elementary school has been named a twenty twenty one exemplary esol teacher by the georgia department of education and andres garcia covarrubias. A senior at discovery high school has been honored as a 2021 exemplary english learner mystique. Is one of thirty. One teachers recognized for working to find practical solutions to meet the needs and overcome obstacles faced by the lunar students and their families during the school year. Andre is one of thirty one students from around the state honored by the state department. All the honorees. Have a gpa than three point. Five are on track to graduate this year and have taken advanced placement and honors courses. Congratulations to alicia and andreas brown county. Public schools marked the end of the school year by thanking the transportation professionals who make sure more than one hundred thirty thousand. Gps students are transported safely to and from school. The and barbara judea and laura domain have been named twenty twenty twenty twenty one school bus managers and monitor of the year is barbara started with the district. Nineteen years ago and currently drives for brookwood elementary prego entry crews middle school and brookwood high school. Miss sb has been with. Gps for fourteen years. She drives for cooper elementary school love and elementary mcconnell middle school and archer high school and lastly ms domain started with. Gps sixteen years ago because she said she loves working with kids and she works as a bus monitor in the north wynette cluster. The selection of the two thousand twenty twenty one winners is the result of an extensive process. Nominees were given written and driving skills test after which eight finalists were selected for regular education bus managers to special education. Bus managers and two bus monitors a judging committee selected the winners from the finalists. Congratulations to the winners. Peachtree corners officials are speaking out about a proposed contract between the city and gwinnett county to have tax commissioner. Tiffany porter's office do billing services for the city while likely paying a supplement to her salary. They said they didn't have any other choice. After she told the city she wouldn't do billing for non-tax fees without additional compensation city officials said they looked at creating the city's owned billing department or hiring a third party agency to do the billing but increased cost to peachtree corners would have ranged from five hundred thousand to one million dollars per year. The county commission is set to vote on june fifteenth on contracts for commissioner reporters office to do billing services poor peachtree corners the kua and berkeley lake with those contracts expected to call on the city's to pay fees that will serve as a supplement to miss porter salary which the tax commissioner proposed earlier this year while peachtree corners does not have a city property tax it does use the tax commissioners office for billing of special assessment fees. Such a streetlight storm water and sanitation fees. Hello i'm rodney. Sculthorpe and i own eight one tires and more in orange where your go to place for tires and complete kark. Don't put off getting those tires. You know you need and don't forget to check your ac and get your car ready for summer tires. More can check everything. 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Brian kim but the district is pleading with visitors to continue wearing them for the time being in a new set of guidance announced on. Gps social media. The district said face masks are strongly recommended but not required in district. Facilities governor camp issued an executive order that among other things barred school districts from issuing mask mandates district officials said their stance on how to handle face masks in light of governor. Kemp's order is intended to take into account not only the governor's order but also covid nineteen case rates in gwinnett county and the fact that children ages twelve and older can now get vaccinated against the disease. District leaders will continue to monitor for new guidance from health partners and the state using it to inform decision making about mitigation strategies that might be needed for the twenty twenty one twenty two school year. 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There's a senior caregiver resource expo tomorrow at the walmart. Health clinic in swanning basically when you these events were trying to get a word out about right. We have our three pillars which cost convenience and care And we really want to get that that word out in the community because at this point walmart also knew a lot of people in the community have heard about us. I'm joined on the podcast by jason. Guest he is the center administrator at the walmart health clinic that is in the walmart supercenter in swannee also with us our community health workers military pierre and ashley freeman now. The event that you are having june fifth from ten. Am to two pm. In what exactly is it. Our senior expo is a place where anybody could come in obtain resources about. Her events is going in the That's going on in the community. Due to cold a lot of places we're close and now we're opening the state reopening. Most people are being vaccinated. So we want to allow the committee to know that they're different. Resources available to them and walmart helped decided to host this event and to let them know that we also have low costs resources to them as well and ashley. What kind of things are going to be happening at. The event four. We're going to be having some giveaways to The community that common participate as well as some free health screenings The health screenings will include a vision. Screening we're going to have glucose screening a ballot screening and Hearing screenings as well and now these screenings are important for senior so if you are a senior or if you have a senior in your life this is a event that they can come to and have these things checked out. But you've opened it up to everyone correct right and this is happening at the walmart supercenter in swansea. That's on lawrenceville swannee road. It's open to anyone saturday. June fifth from ten am to two pm a mildred. You were telling me off the air at the beginning of a supposed to be for seniors in their caregivers and then now with anyone being able to come. You're just trying to do a broad swath of the community correct so reason why we want to open up to everyone. We don't what folks to see senior vo in think. All i cannot come and get my glucose checked or i can't get my blood pressure. We want everybody to be comfortable and be able to come and enjoy themselves so is not subject to only seniors. I'm also gonna do chick-fil-a sponsoring us. They're going to give away free gift cards. We we should start with a free chicken biscuits now jason as the center administrator there at the walmart health clinic in the walmart supercenter in swanee. You say that your new people surprise when they walk in and they find out that there is a health center. They are absolutely so what happens. A lot of times people come in shopping and they see the walmart health's on and they wanna come in to get more information and So we'll give them that information kind of go over some of our pricing and then we end up having them as a patient some point. What kind of things can you have done there at the walmart store. So we're primary care. were dental. We have audiology services behavioral health counseling aiming his ations. Vaccinations fall more. Hilts are an optometry. Unfortunately here we do not have it in the clinic but there is a great optometrist. That's in the vision center inside of the walmart So you more than happy to go in there and we can always have one of our care host Walking over and get an appointment vision center the walmart health clinic is inside the swanee walmart. That's a walmart. Supercenter on lawrenceville swannee road in the senior caregiver. Resource expos happening saturday. June fifth from ten. Am to two pm and it's open to anyone. Initially it was for seniors in their caregivers. And now it's open for anyone so if you have some screenings that you need to do or you've been putting off. Walmart is the place to be on saturday. Go by and say hello to ashley. Say hello to mildred and say hello to jason. Thank you so much for. Joining me. On the podcast. Thank you now. Courtesy of human georgia were joining the podcast. Gwinnett daily post. Sports editor will hammock for look sports in and around gwinnett. Well swimming's back county. Swim league A hugely popular thing here in gwinnett county over fifty five hundred sixty five hundred kids Eighteen and under swim in this league every year. It's a very popular league. I always to forty. Three teams are to forty. This year of covid knocked three teams Neighbors were little sketchy about doing swimming again. but but just a huge league normal up fifty five hundred kids forty four hundred this year which they're really impressed with Considering there wasn't a season last year because cove a very competitive it said hi and kids in this league are very good. The league were gwinnett. Started out many College level swimmers a handful of olympians. That all all swam and got their start in this league. But it's also very very competitive. Wreck gets words. Learn how to swim. Learn how to compete at a very young age and whether they stick with swimming or not. It's a it's a good sport learning for life and there's a lot of people are excited about this league going again. It's kind of summer tradition for a lot of families and a lot of neighborhoods. See that coming back. It's a it's kind of a return to normalcy Postcode which is pretty exciting for the kids around here. Yeah it really is and i. It's just nice to know that the world's coming back for sure and now wesleyan has a new head boys basketball coach. Tell me about him. Yeah what was one. Had a couple of victim hires recently The gaza ethical great job over there for the boys basketball coaching job. Got jeremy oliver He's a guy that's got a lot of experience Particularly private school level. Which i think is going to help help him he. He graduated from westminster. He knows what wesleyan's going to be like has been at wesleyan but he's been associated head coach at love at the past five seasons. Been very successful there He was at north cobb christian for five years as an assistant before that. It's been a couple years of marriage and three years at holy innocence. These made the tour of atlanta area private schools. He knows how the proper schools work and also very good basketball coach and from what i understand a great guy as well And to lead the wrestling program had head wrestling coach. Tom and he actually went to wesleyan So he knows what wesleyan's like he spent the past seven years at berry college He was director player development for the football team but also campus direct different campus outreach a christian ministry there on campus for students so he's coming back home to wesleyan where he knows the school well and he knows success very well he was a two time state placer in wrestling as a high schooler wesseling in one state championship in wrestling as a senior also played baseball wesseling than one state titles in baseball his last three years so he knows the community that was lena the expectations a a success. I think he'll do a great job. There were the wesleyan wrestling program. We'll hammock is a sports editor at the daily post and then there was a big football commitment happening out of archer yes. Summer's wanna really kind of picks up basic gone off the camps and making their commitments. That sort of thing in georgia tech landed a big big commitment from at they've really made a footprint in gwinnett last several years with coach collins in dj more from archer recently committed this week to the georgia tech. That's a big for georgia. Tech is to give it. A lot of potential is about one nine. Very athletic has been a playmaker all levels than is a play at the high school level for archer. Twenty one catches for three hundred seventy nine yards and five touchdowns last year for team. Those pretty run heavy last year thrown around a lot but when they did he was a lot of plays. I look for him to have bright future. Both as a senior are turn and at georgia tech. I think he's going to do very well in the acc and well. What are you looking forward to this weekend. And next week was still got the bonet striper rolling along there. They won six of their last date Which is nice has been going up and down season. 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Special Episode: A community grief
"Welcome to a special edition of the world and everything in it the last week of May on our daily program, we aired a four part serial story about a community's grief. It goes back to memorial day twenty seventeen, when a lone gunman snuffed out the lives of eight people in Rural Lincoln County, Mississippi it left area residents reeling world correspondent, Kim Henderson tells their story. Entre Sable for the Clarion Ledger and I'm out here in front of Perry County Sheriff's department where April is a career journalist with a resume spanning three decades. In two thousand seventeen, she was working as a crime reporter for Mississippi's top newspaper when she covered the state's largest mass shooting. Her twitter profile still shows photos of the victims. I think it's a mixture of. That being one of the biggest things that's happened in my life. but also because I. don't want them to ever be forgotten now. I've got you know Steph at the House. That will always remind me of of those days. Surrounding. Her twitter page also includes a quote from Martin, Luther. Yeah it's piece of possible truth at all costs I. think as a reporter That's something that we've lost, and there are people that are involved in ways that maybe they didn't intend, but it was. You know lax on their part. And then you know you've got the truth of this. which is there eight lives that were cut short? The didn't need to be. So what did happen that Memorial Day weekend? Here's what we know. The shootings took place at three different homes over a span of about six hours, and most of the victims were related to the killer by blood or by marriage. It all started when thirty five year old korry gobble went to his in laws home, whereas estranged wife, Sheena was staying. When he said he wanted to take their two children home with him. Trouble ensued. Someone called the sheriff's department. After a deputy arrived, there was some discussion then gobble pulled out a gun. He shot at least thirty two rounds, killing his mother-in-law, his wife, sister and aunt and the deputy. About three hours later, crime reporter able got a call from one of her sources. Sorry I answered the phone and he said. I just need to make sure you know. We've got a deputy dead and possibly three others. I said wait, what and he said. We've got a deputy down. And you know. And and you might WanNa. Get down here. So able jumped in her car and left the capital Metro area, headed south, and I was going one hundred and five miles an hour, and I had troopers pass in May not looking at me and I knew that was something real. Meanwhile, Godbolt was on his way to the home of his cousin Sean Blackwell. Sean is a preacher and he and his wife Tiffany spent time with the God bolts. They encourage the struggling couple to come to Sunday school and Church services. Accord godbolt resented tiffany black holes friendship with his wife. So we got to their house, but found out Sean and Tiffany weren't there. They gone to comfort Sheena gobbles wife at the crime scene. The house was an empty though Sean. Tiffany son and nephew were there along with some other children where he kills Jordan Blackwell who shielding his fifteen year old cousin from the bullets and Kills Austin Edwards. Who's eleven years old, next gobbled headed to the home of feral and Sheila Barrage, his wife's cousin feral returns fire, and is the only wound that Corey had from that night but he is out going, and then corey goes to the bathroom where he executes Sheila Barrage. That's eight shooting victims. All of them dead. Gobbled targeted people he believed were interfering in his marriage. In the middle of his rampage, he got on facebook and sent a message to Tiffany Blackwell now. She's cousin's wife. The preacher's wife, the one who's just lost a son. Basically Godbolt told her you've messed with my family. Now I've missed with yours. What unfolded just a few steps from here? Last night is almost too much to bear twenty seventeen went on record as the deadliest year of mass shootings in US history. It's one gunman mowed down hundreds at an outdoor music festival in Las. Vegas Killing Fifty Eight, and when another madman massacre twenty-six inside a Texas church, taking place at the while the motives for the Las Vegas shooting are still a mystery. The November attack at first Baptist Sutherland. Springs shared a connection with the one that happened five months earlier in Mississippi. In both cases, the shooters had a history of domestic violence. A recent study published in criminology and public policy indicates that many mass shootings have domestic violence thread running through them. In the Sutherland Springs case. The shooter had sent threatening texts to his laws. Who sometimes attended services at the Church? In Mississippi Corey gobbled have been convicted of assault in at least two of his wife's family members. If you look into, God bolts past there were some domestic violence. There are some situations where you know. The police were called, and maybe the charges or dropped, or maybe there weren't charges pressed. I happen to know that a few weeks before this happened. Sheena was driving and he was following her, and she called the police department as in other words, there were warning signs. Lots of paperwork. It's one of the tragedies of these crimes to me the whole thing. Could have been avoided. If there would have been in place is. You know maybe some other action taken. Lincoln County law enforcement officers were familiar with Corey gobbled. They also journalists Tarez able. She cut her teeth. There's a young reporter. And she was a friend of the slain deputy, so when she arrived at the crime scenes, officers led her move in close. But even she wasn't expecting what happened at her last stop and as I'm pulling up to three twelve East Lincoln I see him on his knees and getting onto the ground. This godbolt four deputies around him. One of them has just tossed his go into the side. And he's not handcuffed yet I get among was the only media on the scene and all she had was her cell phone. So she walked the parameter, holding it down low, trying to get the lighting right I see corey kind of turned his head, and as soon as he sees me, he starts saying. Audio here is courtesy of April and the Clarion Ledger one not. Just. Others Law. Abel's phone was low on storage, so she was deleting pictures and APPs. As she went, she ended up with a string of videos and a full confession. Right after someone has committed a murder, there is energy. There's an evil energy that rolls off them and I wasn't afraid to face him, but. There was this feeling of like. Like, it's in your chest. You just feel so little and so helpless and so unable to. Make sense of what's going on. and. What was coming off, Godbolt as he talked to me in my perception. WAS JUST A. Feeling I'd never felt before in talking to someone. Accused of murder. And it was probably because of the proximity to. The homicides themselves. That weekend as news of the shootings made it across the nation, I sent an email to my editor Marvin Olesky. Let Him, know I, live near where it happened. He wrote me back with a question that's rumbled around in my head ever since how to such a small community deal with so much death. Of College and I would like to invite you beautiful city. Lincoln County Mississippi is Rustic, rambling with cattle auctions, every Tuesday and a steady stream of eighteen wheelers, pulling out from the Walmart Distribution Center. Public Schools get lots of support? There's a community newspaper. The county seat Brookhaven has a thriving downtown area. It's just a place that. No matter which out of the tracks you live on or whatever like that? There's a real sense of community. And it's not the place you expected to heaven mass murder. No and I think that's been. That was one of the things that really rocked me at the beginning was How did this happen at home? I think for the people that have lived here and lived here all their lives. It was more that it was more Whoa, you know. How did we not see this coming? How did we not prevent this? How how do we react? Now that it's happened? In the aftermath of the tragedy, expressions of grief and the community ran the spectrum. Residents covered the slain deputies patrol car with flowers. Funeral goers filled and spilled out of the School Gymnasium. Pastor led prayer and a driveway near one of the crime scenes in Jesus great name. The youngest of the victims was Austin. Edwards eleven years old. Just days before the shootings he'd gone running with Corey Godbolt, a family, friend and relative by Marriage Austin was excited Corey taught him how to manage his breathing while they jog through the neighborhood down the street from the boys, Church. A prosecutor would later point out the irony in court. who was the one who took Austin's breath away forever? Austen's mother Shayla Edwards remembers what it was like to shop for a suit to bury him in. It hit me at that moment that this was the last. Time I'd be able to shop for my son. His favorite color is blue so I want him to have a something blue. I started crying and I couldn't stop crying and woman in the store walked up to shelagh she'd seen this story on the news, and she stopped in the middle of what she was doing. And she prayed for me for Apl the push to tell victims stories drove her and there was. You know things that that stick with you like in in? In the Blackwell's home when I walked into interview, them You know just a couple of days after it happens. And all I could think was. How do you want? How do you go on, you know? Accusations swirled about the God bolts, domestic issues and how authorities had handled them. Some in the community seemed set on revenge within weeks gobbles home burned to the ground. But one potential source of conflict did not take root racial division. Godbolt is black and seven of his victims were black. The slain deputy was white, and this is twenty seventeen, the wounds of Ferguson and police deaths in Dallas and baton rouge were still raw. People wanted to make a big deal out of a look. A black man who shot a bunch of people in the cops didn't kill him. You know things like that. April says officers later told her they were glad. She witnessed gobbles capture. They didn't do anything on toward. During the whole time I didn't see one of them. Lay a hand on him. Wrong I didn't see one of them. Even speak to him harshly. This was a county named for Abraham Lincoln by a reconstruction legislature. A county where in nineteen fifty five someone shot and killed a black voting activists in broad daylight on the courthouse lawn. But, that was decades ago and things have changed through her reporting. April told the world about a community grief. One of the most beautiful things to me about this was watching how this community came together around these families, and it did not matter who was black or white. That was all one family Lincoln County was a family. There was a lot that was changed by the trauma in the sadness, but I think that love that was shown. amongst the people that that lost the most really inspire the rest of the community to love one another better also. Meanwhile, the tragedy took a toll on the families of the victims. Children were afraid to be alone. Parents were unable to work. Students dropped out of college. A mother moved away to escape the memories. Shayla Edwards Sister Tiffany Blackwell also lost a son in the shootings eighteen year old Jordan a football standout who died shielding his cousin from bullets. To Jordan Blackwell. Tonight Jordan his parents and his family with his parents tiffany black will present the game the coach Tommy often. Sometimes I get up and can get dress and I'm fine and the the next moment on my way to work out here a Song Garcia. Something that reminds me of Jordan and ousted in just cried. Waste of you know the way to work in. The murders happened in May. By that August preachers kids Shayla and Tiffany were ready to do something positive with their grief. With the help of a friend, they decided on a prayer group. They named United in Christ against violence, so we meet across the railroad track. Across from the name of that the Chamber of Commerce and we just sit out there and we pray we pray for the children in the community, the teachers, the churches, the pastors, the very first time that we had it. It was so packed full of people from the sheriff's departments. Different police officers you name it. People came in droves in the. The community to pray together, so we we? We would pray for thirty minutes, and after the prayer we close out by the time the group got going. The TV cameras that converged on Lincoln County after the murders were long gone, they missed those meetings. They missed the push to name a stretch of highway in memory of William Durr. The deputy who died. They missed Sean Blackwell's facebook. Live video the one of him in the parking lot praying before going into God bolts preliminary hearing. Now. They didn't get to watch what was coming to the surface, but April did. God was bringing beauty from ashes like you couldn't have picked. A more beautiful family for this to happen to you. I mean we're all human. But. It's like you see that smile on Tiffany. Salas faces. And you would never know the pain that they carry. That might be the case, but tiffany Shayla and their families would soon need all the support. They could get to seek justice. The morning jury selection began in the capital murder trial of Corey, Godbolt, the sky. Thundered Rain fell in sheets. It was like two and a half. Years of tears bottled up coming down all at once. The families of God bolts eight victims had waited a long time for Justice Willie. Corey God volts alleged rampage and adhere. Attorneys took five days to settle on jurors. Because of pretrial publicity. All this was done in North Mississippi. The trial took place in accounting in the south part of the state, and since jurors were sequestered, every moment counted opening arguments started on a Saturday court convened on a Sunday locals could not recall any other time that it happened. Daisy more attended the trial. She knew Koi Godbolt hung out at her grandmother's house, but that was before he murdered her nephew since. The rollercoaster. This is a family member. Did someone we grew up? With Dan on the other side of it is like. Who is? Like how could you do those things? Reporter Tarez, able said the families of victims and witnesses like herself couldn't wait to get the trial behind them I think there was this big anticipation of getting the trial over with, but you didn't realize what the trial was gonNA. GonNa mean as far as what you're. GonNa Learn what you're going to see. Who you're going to see, you know that kind of thing. Able was the first to take the stand. Her video of God, Bolts Confession had become primary evidence the. Clarion Ledger even sent a lawyer down to protect her source from being named the one that had called her during the night. Jurors studied the footage of God. Bolton, able as it played on screen at the front of the courtroom. audio. Here is courtesy of April and the Clarion Ledger. Ran Out. Thing, they showed mercy. Dot Com. I. Not, a y'all as not nobody else, ask. For. God. Gobble watched the video to sell ended by a trio of defense attorneys. Instead of prison orange, he got to wear a coat and tied accord each day as well as a distinguished Pero wide framed glasses. Shayla Edwards found it difficult to be near him. When you see sitting in front of you, the man that killed your children, so it's Kinda hard and especially judge David strong warned that it would be an emotional trial and he was right. Those in the courtroom couldn't help but react to the frantic nine one one calls and gruesome details they heard you. Other moments were understated, but equally unforgettable like Sheena, gob bolts reaction to what the defense called a happy family photo of her her husband with their children. Just because it's on, facebook doesn't make it real. She said she suffered for years at her husband's hands. Leaving when he abused her, but Because he swore he'd change. Once, he even choked her and beat her so badly. She required treatment at the hospital. There was testimony of abuse from the gobbled to year old daughter as well. She took the stand just days after an unnerving incident at the trial. During the lunch break gobble somehow managed to beat on the window of a car where his child was seated. Has Health problems, but she made it to the trial anyway. She, she does, and she had experienced trouble of her own with Corey. A year before the shootings, the Lincoln County Justice Court convicted him of simple assault to create fear against murderous May. But May wasn't at the trial because of all of that or maybe in a way she was. Murder Smets Daughter Sheila? Barrage was one of the shooting victims. Dear no recess at the trial. Nee described what it was like to watch her granddaughter weep in the witness stand. Because witness first half with. I was no hippies Liam at all. I mean make you cry on my show and I like it. Do what cry bad. said she can now give her grandchildren a sense of direction. Six months after the tragedy, she did a deep dive into scripture. God became her comfort in knowing who he is. and. How he died for fillers like us, you can't. But love. God! I learned to the pin him more and more each. Lean not to your own understanding. With all way he's a nod, his tail and he will direct. Still. She misses taking rides with her daughter and the meals she cooked. May also mourns the loss of her son-in-law. Another one of the eight victims with my son in law would always told me he was big. So, you know I miss. Buffalo Maria Maria bad. He loved my daughter. May has grieved before, but she says this time has been different. Even. To. It's a hurt that. That only God can bring you back from. You feel like student. They're like he's already done that for me. Like many others hope the trial will bring closure. But after all this time, some in the community were beginning to wonder. Would a conviction be enough to end the bitterness? Miss Porter I'm going to show you. What is has already been put into evidence. As Dean. During the sentencing phase of the trial, the defense highlighted gobbles troubled youth. Jurors heard from godbolt siblings about how they're policeman. Father died in a shooting at their stepmother's hands. At one point an attorney asked gobbled sister to identify a photo. If you look on the screen. They're tiny with. That's a picture of. That's when Godbolt. Sister turned her head and saw the photo I picture of her and her siblings as children. She broke into a slight smile, but started to lose her composure, so she closed her eyes and turned away from it. After clearing her throat, she answered the largest question my mother. Myself Chris Corey and can you. Can't do you need a minute? Jurors also listened to gobbled aunt someone who testified on his behalf, but also sang at a victim's funeral, showing just how much this crime entangled a family tree. Then the courtroom encountered a different kind of witness one who had evangelism on her mind. It was gobbled first grade teacher sprightly Diane, Davis Harris and she didn't hold back. gave me a word for Corey. And the purpose for me being here today can stand up Sir and everyone in the courtroom was kind of shocked that the judge let her stand up. She stood up pointed directly at Godbolt and started talking. It does not matter Corey. Whether you live a welder, you. The most important thing you should note today where you're going to speak. Eternity Object we're getting a little bit out. Then of course, the prosecution objected and she had to sit down, but as she did, she was thanking. God got that out. So shots proceedings ended each day. Officers took gobbled away in a transport vehicle, but on the last night February twenty seventh, he headed somewhere different. Death row at Parchman penitentiary. Now breaking news tonight, four death sentences handed down by Pike. County jury jury. Nervously. Beyond a reasonable doubt. Following exist. Mission for Laura. One as the clerk announced the death penalty four times, people in the courtroom wept, wailed and rejoiced. With church with. Is. Over. We need a wall of media crowded around the family members reporter Tarez. Behind one of the TV, cameras, truth is at the trial when I asked them when they're all standing up there at the end, and I said guess. Where do you go from here and Shelagh step forward and said we live. I Still WanNa, cry thinking about that because I thought. I! Don't have that got on. My faith is very important to me, but I have learned so much from their family from Sean and Tiffany and Shelagh. And and just watching them fight this. With this full faith in God as their protector in their creator and the comforter. And it's like every time they do something. Even though I would say that I have strong faith every time they do something it just me like wow, I aspire. To trust and love God as much as they do. because they. This entire family has. Has Changed me from with. Many of those affected by the shootings looked for the trial to bring closure including April, she says the trial opened up scabs, but also brought some relief you know after the verdict was read and after the. Sentencing was handed down. It felt like somebody three windows open in my heart. It just felt like for a moment. And I don't know how long it'll last. I could breathe again. Tiffany Blackwill says she's glad it's over, but there aren't any winner, so we don't have our boys. In, even his life is over and his family's life. We all have to do with this as we think about. What could we have done different? What could we have saved it? You have all of the woody of S- plan. Through your mind on the night that it happened or even four years ago or five years ago, could we have done differently to be a different outcome, so it always plays your mind. April has questions to. Especially since evidence in court showed Godbolt made meticulous plans with particular targets in mind. This is where domestic violence goes. I think there's a lot left to be told now, that said. A reporter's job is to report what they can verify and. Some of the things that people are digging around about and myself as well are things that are hard to verify. But would that really change anything? I think if there are places that need justice yeah. I. I think if there are not. then. We'll always all have a lot of unanswered questions. Shoe state and she stayed as she. She never did this before call. Brown is related to some of the victims. He lives in the neighborhood where the first four murders happened, and he remembers his sisters call at four that morning she said opened the door. and. Police cars was probably land to how he fitting one. Till to where the incident to happen and this Paul, a quarter mile away and a retired state. Trooper Brown has seen violent crimes, but these shootings shocked him. Last year he rallied community support for a sixty thousand dollar memorial engraved at the top of the stone. Monument is a simple declaration. You never be forgotten. Below that. There's a list of those who died. Own on the left side he'll facing. This is a time capsule in here and we replaced it. We we say fifty years from the date going to open it. They put pitchers. They put news. Articles Obituaries Brown says he hopes the memorial brings healing, especially among family members with ties to both Godbolt and his victims right now is a lot of bitterness and. predestined. Pass Shayla Edwards is praying to you. You know you wanNA forgive and that can be hard for some of us to do, but you know my prayers for his family. His children who are suffering through this. These are good kids, you know. We want to make sure that they are okay to. They've lost grandmothers aunts. Cousins friends. They lost just as well as we did, so we keep them in our prayers, also we even. I pray for him to. The American justice system attempts to set things right with penalties and that's fitting and proper. Christian hearts long for this something more of Biblical justice, the making victims whole again dimension. Murders may gets that. She lost her daughter and son-in-law and God bolts rampage three years ago, but trust in God keeps her hopeful. She believes he is at work, but community as a whole may not. I see a big pitcher. We eels and what he can do, most citizens who hand down death penalties while serving on a jury would rather forget about the whole thing. But in this case, the jurors didn't. They just could not forget. and. That's why three months after the trial concluded, they traveled two hundred miles to mark the third anniversary of the shootings. The community welcome them with open arms. Lots of food retail. The gathered outside around the stone monument in Bogota about two miles from where the crimes began back in two thousand seventeen. Jury, forewoman Nicole. Becker told the crowd that going home after the trial was like entering an alternate universe. Our work was done. And our hearts, a piece of our heart for down here. She also told victims, family members and law enforcement officers. The jurors were astonished by what they saw in court. You all such a calmness in in varying often you up there on. Stand out there and. Help Heltzel knee. And focus on what we needed to focus on the task that we did. Sean Blackwill father a victim Jordan Blackwell acknowledged the difficult role of the jurors. What happened on that night? During the fifteen days, he was in charge of the jurors bailiff. Charles Campbell got to know them pretty well well enough to make some suggestions. We thought it was best for them to come together and pray every day before we left. There they had a big job to do. Jury members Mildred Williams and Anna McDonald said the whole group was in agreement sprayed together like a family, and that's what we became a family. We do not leave there in the morning without prayer. Different one different one took turns with different people crying jurors also acknowledged their dependence on God behind the Mike at the memorial event. So did other speakers like Sean Blanket? Come today just to remember the great. We came to celebrate God. Let us live through this tragedy, and still serve God and love one another a guitar player saying of Heavenly Hope. Soloist who lost two nephews in the shooting testified about our great. How? Xinhua and Tiffany's family join them on stage. Then came the moving finale. Germany Keaton who came up with? The idea of releasing paper lanterns as she watched them rise in the night sky. She smiled and hugged her friendly. This is a this is a sign of hope. And Healing and restoration in this community to close out the evening. Tracy Dir joined in Duet. She's the widow of the deputy who was gobbled first victim. The words were powerful. Thing is. To razz able was at the anniversary event to in front of a camera. She still pumping out. Daily News reports but she admits this story. The story behind Mississippi's largest mass killing changed her life. Through my career I've built up this thing where I was bulletproof and you know I'm there at the scene and I'm not scared. And there's hurricanes and tornadoes and I'm in the middle. But this was the first thing that I couldn't just put in a box. Corey Godbolt is scheduled for execution July fifteenth. But records at the Lincoln County Circuit Clerk's office. Indicating appeal is underway. That likely means another layer of grief for the community to process. One that hovers out there in the future waiting. But one thing is for certain. This mass shooting taught a hard lesson. It showed that domestic abuse is just a matter of private concern. Left unstopped. It can turn into a public nightmare. I don't want them to ever be forgotten. because I mean even I. Refer to it as the core. Godbolt case. But it's not. It's William her. It's Barbara Mitchell Brennan May to Karume. Austin Edwards Jordan Blackwell Sheila and Farrell barrage. Reporting for world I'm Cam Henderson and South Mississippi. 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"Join wondering plus to listen to even the rich ad free in the app. Download the wondering app and your apple or google play mobile app store today. A quick heads-up swearing anthrax. Got it good. Imagine it summer. 1937 in easthampton. The atlantic ocean is sparkling in the midday sun. And if you squint. Wanting yes i'm squinting got so bossy. Okay so if you squint you can make out one swimmer whose farther out than all the others. It's eight year. Old jacqueline bouvier. Okay what's she doing all the way out there. So jackie's father dared her to swim out as far as she can. Her muscles already ache in salt stings her eyes. But in the distance she can see the last barrel floating just above the water a benchmark that only the strongest swimmers can hit and she's determined to get there a big wave rolls in and knocks. Jackie back she gas for air and spits the salty water out of her mouth. She glances back at the shore. Should she just turned around. She sees umbrellas lining the beach from here. They're just colorful dots. The uniformed waitstaff scurrying from table to table look like tiny black ants. This is the maidstone beach club where she and her family rub elbows with other ultra. Rich elite new yorkers during the summer. Jackie stays at her grandfather's house down the road. It boasts a stable a tennis court. And an italian fountain filled with goldfish. It's a cushy life and her future has all been laid out for her when she gets older. She'll be expected to marry well. She'll fill her days organizing photo albums and sipping tea at charity events. She'll follow all the rules. Her mom's already teaching her. Never put your elbows on the table. One wiping your mouth. Only use the interior of the napkin. Turn teacup handles. Two three o'clock exterior spoons from twelve to six without making a clinking sound. What if you like the clanking sound then not for you harsh but out here on the water life is still wild unpredictable back on land. That's her mother's world. The ocean is her father's jackie imagines her parents watching her from the shore. Her mother shaking her head with a pinch look on her face. Her father who everyone says looks just like clark gable cheering jackie on unlike his wife. He doesn't give a damn about the rules. He believes in living life to the fullest. Wherever that takes in jackie's heard enough of their fights to know her mother's about to leave him. She'll probably have to go live with her mother. Who won't ever let her out this far again. Jackie is exhausted from fighting against the waves but she keeps the barrel in her crosshairs going to reach it. She knows she'll never have the freedom her father has. She's not a man and this is still the nineteen thirties but in her own way however she can. she's going to try okay ratio. i know you're over. The colleges admissions scandal that broke last year. How can i forget. Okay so take a listen to this. Reenactment of an fbi wiretap from the case. Is there any risk that this thing blows up in my face. It hasn't in twenty four years ago. I know of that but the environment like some article comes out that the the polo team is selling seats into the school. For two hundred and fifty grand. Well now because she's a water polo player. But she's not okay. I'm pumped please tell me. This is part of an incredible new doc on the subject. Yup from chris. Smith executive producer of tiger king comes operation varsity blues. Only on netflix march. Seventeenth you are not gonna wanna miss this. This episode is brought to you by carmax. America's number one used car retailer by your next car your way at carmax my way like i have options. Please go on of course whether you wanna buy online at home or in person on the lot. Carmax has you covered. 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I think he mean how much we both love. I mean this is our third season on them after all. okay fair. but we're finally getting to the kennedys. Who put the kennedys on the map. Jack and jackie the playboy president and the first lady fashion on our last two series. We talked a lot about influencers who lived their private lives in public. But now we're going to tell you the story of a couple who were as private as they were famous and as you're about to learn. There's a big difference between jack and jackie. The people and jack and jackie the legends. This is episode one queen. Deb okay brooke. Let's play word association when i say jackie. O what do you think Pearls obviously thank chanel skirt-suit pillbox hat ladylike. Yes that's exactly what i thought too but behind closed doors. Jackie wasn't really that at all. Whenever she had a choice she were pants and went barefoot and she smoked two packs a day. What wait hold on why she had that breathy voice. She couldn't get enough oxygen. Maybe we miss. Jackie is complicated. People who worked at the white house called her by far the most complex of all the first ladies and understand. Why you've gotta start with her parents Yes i remember squinting with them at the beach a couple minutes ago jack and janet there a study in contrast her father. Jack movie is charming and mischievous her mother or janet. Lee is stern informal but they do have one thing in common. They both belong to a very specific social class. I don't know what historians call it. But i'm going to call it old money ish in call. Abc show janet lee traces. Her family roots back to robert. E lee the confederate general. But while her family's last name really is really the truth is they're not related to the general. They came over from ireland during the potato famine and spotted an opportunity. Americans weren't exactly welcoming of the irish back in the day so it was in their best interest to fit in. And if your last name already lead by not claim the most famously. In the south is your forefather k. Solid strategy meanwhile. The bouvier side of. The family claims to be descended from french aristocrat to knob with napoleon and is that true. Nope jackson sisters were cattle herders. I mean maybe they were lucky enough to heard police. Cows both jackie's parents trace their roots to con artists. You'd think that would be a solid foundation for our marriage. right shockingly. it's not because while they both care about their place in society. Jack and janet have very different attitudes towards money namely janet likes to spend it. Well and jack like suspended poorly. He's a gambler and a drinker and a serial womaniser. Sounds like true love. i mean his nickname's pretty much. Tell you everything you need to know about the guy people call him the black orchid the black chic and most commonly blackjack jets willing to turn a blind eye to his philandering as long as he's discreet unfortunately is not in nineteen forty. The new york daily mirror post the story that will add another nickname to his collection beloved commuter. The gossip piece also includes photos of several of blackjacks. Lady friends and let's say janet does not do humiliation the final straw. She's had enough. They divorced that same year. Ten-year-old jacqui is devastated. Her sister lee is only six so she doesn't completely understand what's happening but for jackie. This is the worst thing that could ever happen. Her world is crashing down around. Her jackie's always been closest to her father. He's the one who believes in her. He's the one who makes life fun on the weekends. It's ice cream sundaes and dressing for dinners at fancy restaurants and there's nothing. She likes more than tagging along with him casinos into the racetrack and on special occasions they go to boxing matches but now jackie is only going to see her father on holidays and summer weekends. The rest of the time she'll be with her mother and janet thinks she can't do anything right when she stays with janet all she hears his jackie. Your read too much for a girl. Jackie hands and feet are too big. Jackie your hair's to frizzy. Jackie pull yourself together. You look sloppy okay. Janet would have an aneurism if she saw what we were to our recording session. God definitely because our household like debutante drill sergeant. She schools her daughters and how to walk what to wear how to wear it and how to talk the end goal is to marry rich. Janet even shows her daughters how it's done when she marries her second husband. Hugh de aachen clause an heir to the standard oil fortune the polar opposite of blackjack. He's so boring. That gore vidal hughes former stepson once compared his personality to a magnum of chloroform. Burn i know right. But he's janet's golden ticket to the top of the social ladder. They move into a mansion near dc set on forty six rolling acres in the summer retreat to their twenty eight room cottage in newport rhode island and their children will get enormous trust funds that kick in when they turn twenty one. Oh great so. Jackie and lear set for life. Sorry let me rephrase that all of these biological kids will be set for life. Jackie and lee will have to rely on whatever. Blackjack leaves them. Which at this point looks like nothing to now. There's even more pressure on the girls to marry rich at fifteen years old janet chips jackie off to miss porter school a finishing school with the express purpose of turning young women into perfect wives. She's drilled in proper etiquette and how to hold refined conversations encouraged to speak softly. Listen and not interrupt. The girls take turns waiting tables. So they'll know how to properly host dinner parties. Obviously you and. I don't need that class because our game nights with only depths and cookies ahead he really legendary. Jackie goes through the motions. On the outside she molds herself into the kind of woman who wear chanel and pearls on the inside. oh she's as rebellious as ever. She still the girl who won't quit until she swims out to the last barrel she censor life beyond what she's being taught at school she catches glimpses of it in books and art. So all the other girls socialize after class. Jackie retreats to her room curls up in bed and reads chekhov and byron at the end of the year when she's asked to list her life ambition for the yearbook. Jackie gives porter school a very demure. Fu she writes not to be a housewife. It's the summer of nineteen forty-five in newport rhode island and at sixteen year old jackie's first debutante season. She spent the last few weeks attending party after party this evening. She's a simple black cocktail dress. She wears red lipstick and long white gloves to cover the hands. Her mom's still says too big. She's not sure if she's pretty. She describes herself as tall with the square face and is so far apart that it takes three weeks to have a pair of glasses made cut. The boys have started paying attention to her for the past half hour. A handsome harvard freshman has been telling her about a book. He's just read about france during world war. Two and it's giving jackie a chance to practice the unspoken rules of courtship among the social elite rule. Number one never let on that. You know more than a boy. This boy's been going. Every french name process his lips. But jackie who speaks fluent french by the way limits are responses to go on and so interesting. She wants him to feel smart at least smarter than her. Which brings us to rule number two talk softly as you can talk softly enough. The boys won't realize she can also talk softly in french italian spanish and german damn twenty minutes later on the patio with the sun setting over the atlantic. Jackie shares a cigarette with a girlfriend. We actually have this exchange on record. So i'm just gonna read it. Jackie tells her friend that she wanted to give him a big maternal kiss on the cheek and tell him he was really a big boy. Now okay i like this. Jackie yeah but as opinionated and headstrong is jackie can be. She knows she has to play along if she wants to stay in the world. She was born in two. She doesn't have a choice. And it turns out jackie's good at pretending by the end of the season. She's named queen deb. Okay for us non. W tom's what does that mean because it does not sound fancy. It means she's like the prom queen but for the entire east coast instead of just her school. Her marriage prospects. Could it be better. But jackie turns seventeen than eighteen. Nineteen twenty her friends. Start getting married. And jackie does it. She's not against marriage but none of the boys she meets excite her they already know exactly which firms will work at and which country clubs. They'll be members of but jackie wants a life. She can't even imagine yet so after graduating from college she takes a stab at creating that life for herself. She applies for vokes. Prestigious predate perry award. Which would take her to new york. For six months than paris for six more she craft six essays for the application and sprinkles them with coats from wild and charles baudelaire on paper. Unlike debutante balls. She can be herself witty. Well read ambitious. And she wins the prize over thousands of other applicants. Jackie yeah but on her first day in the new york office she meets vogues managing editor the editor raises. Her nose. Takes one look at her and asked. How old are you twenty. Twenty one twenty two jackie. Replies okay what does that mean it means that back in those days. Most girls are married by twenty amiss. Job is going to take jackie off the market for another year. by the time she returns home to dc. She'll be twenty three. she's already close to expiration date. She want to risk it expiration date. She's a woman not a bag of old chips. Yeah at twenty three. I couldn't even commit to a coffee order. Forget about a marriage. These are different times. And as the editor looks jackie. Up and down jackie's panic rises. Finally the editor offer some advice. You seem like a smart. If you wanna get married you should get back to dc. That's where all the boys are. And what does jackie do. Jackie does she told she packs her bags and heads back to dc with her tail between her legs and within a couple of months she meets john. Huston said a twenty four year old stockbroker. He's everything she's been running away from. But somehow this feels different. John falls in love with her instantly and his devotion reminds jackie of a love story from one of her books within a month. He asked her to marry him. They've only been on a few dates. She's living in dc and he's in new york but she says yes. Sounds like an episode. the bachelor. it's when i might watch. The engagement is announced in the new york. Times in january of nineteen fifty-two and jackie meets her future mother in law. Helen armstrong hughes said soon after they said on over upholstered couches in an upper west side living room. Helen place hostess serving little sandwiches and pouring tea. Okay sounds like someone else took those elective hostess. Classes definitely twenty eight years ago. Helen was also debutante and our life worked out perfectly she married a lawyer raised a beautiful family and now in her spare time. Volunteers for food drives at the end of lunch. Helen pulls out the family album. Here's me and john's father at our wedding and here. We are at our country club. Jackie sees her own future being laid out before her. The walls start closing in when helen offers. Jackie a baby picture of her darling. Little boy jackie. Here's herself snap. If i want a picture of john i can take one myself. Oh shit. Jackie didn't mean to say that out loud but she's having trouble breathing and she feels even more trapped when john slips and engagement ring onto her finger and it's his mom's nobly yeah every time. Jackie looks down at the ring. It's a reminder of everything she doesn't want once she's back in dc. She stops returning john's calls and makes excuses for why she can't see it. Finally though he puts his foot down and flies out from new york to see her. It's late on a sunday in march. One thousand nine hundred to the terminal at national airport in washington. Dc is packed. People are running to catch their flights. Jackie stands with her fiance. John eastern gate. She seeing him offer his flight back to new york. They make small talk about his trip. Maybe they recount their visit to the national zoo or talk about the movie they saw but then john's plane is called over the loudspeaker. I gotta go. He tells her a may embrace in this moment. Jackie slips the engagement ring into the pocket of john's khakis. No one notices no one but john. His heart breaks but to his credit. He doesn't say a word. Oh man this is like every rom commonly verse. They're supposed to get engaged at the airport. Not break up. I know but he just kisses. Jackie on the cheek wishes her well and walks away toward his gate. Jackie walks quietly toward the exit deep in thought without that ring on her finger her life feels like it's hers again but she still needs to figure out what it is she wants to do with it. You know there's a lot of advice out there about how to set yourself up for a good night's sleep set out what you're gonna wear the next day. Do a short meditation take a long hot bath. 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He tells himself he doesn't have a destination in mind all he knows that he's in the solomon islands an hour go. He was the naval. Lieutenant patrol torpedo boat one. Oh nine but now is shipwrecked. A japanese destroyer snuck out of the darkness in smashed his pt boat into the fuel tanks exploded and the fireball sent jack and his whole crew overboard. He quickly scrambled and was able to locate all of his men. But to but jack isn't gonna lose anyone else so here. He is in the middle of the ocean. The salty water stings his is. His lungs are burning with every labored. Stroke he leads ten other men into the unknown one of these men. He's dragging strap of his life jacket with his teeth. My god that sounds like a leeson film. Totally insane right especially considering. Jack isn't known for being the model of health. When he was two years old. Jack contracted scarlet fever and it nearly killed him then. There was the whooping cough chicken pox measles in multiple ear infections to top it off. He injured his back playing football at harvard. Which left him with severe pain. Okay with that record. He should have never left the house. Yeah but that isn't an option when you're born a kennedy. His father joseph kennedy is already one of the richest men in the country and has very high expectations for his nine children. He repeatedly tells them. We want. No losers around here only winners. Wow go team yeah. And the motto breeds competition especially between jack and his older brother joe junior joe junior is the firstborn and the golden child. He's a star athlete a natural leader. And unlike jack the very picture of health. Jack doesn't like being number two. He has something to prove. He pushes himself constantly to compete with his older brother in wrestling boxing and boating and even though joe junior almost always wins. Jack never gives up. And it's that. Intense will and determination that motivates jack to push his aching body to keep swimming to keep moving after five long hours. The remaining crew members arrive at a small island. No bigger than a football field but it turns out. There's nothing to eat or drink there. And they're sitting ducks the longer they stay. Put the more likely a japanese patrol will spot them. So jack takes to the water again. Searching for an ally tibo to send an sos with no luck and time. Ticking away jack returns he takes a big gamble and leads all his men back into the ocean. They swim for three grueling hours against the current. Tell me something good happens. Something good happens. No you know what i mean. Does something good actually yes. They find a slightly bigger island with coconuts lee as they eat and drink from the sweet fruit to local fishermen spot them. Jack sprawls message into the husk of coconut. Eleven alive need small boat kennedy and gives it to the men after a week stranded in the pacific help finally arrived with food water and cigarettes all eleven men who survived the initial attack. Return home as heroes but none of them is revered as jack kennedy. The one who saved them all with his famous last name. The nation takes notice. The story hits the front pages of all the newspapers. The new york times runs a headline tennessee. Son is hero and pacific. As destroyer splits his boat jack receives a number of medals including the purple heart and his father receives congratulatory letters from leaders around the world. Joe senior cheerfully answers every last one of them. You're my boy blue short. But you know. Who's not as thrilled about jack's heroic deeds. Oh let me guess. Big brother joe junior bingo joe. Junior is also a naval officer. And he isn't impressed. He says jackson have let his boat go down in the first place. He doesn't understand why people are doing an eyeing over a failed mission. A man needs to take sibling rivalry to a whole new level. Truly joe juniors used to being the son who gets all the attention. He didn't expect his little brother to steal the spotlight. And it's about to get even worse. It's september sixth nineteen forty-three in hyannis. Port massachusetts heavy sterling silver knives rape against fine china. The dining room at the kennedy compound is a buzz with chatter. high society. friends and close family have gathered. The white framed clapboard home to celebrate old joe's fifty fifth birthday in his naval uniform. The handsome strapping joe. Junior has flown home from england to attend this affair. He's been given the prime seat right next to his father. All is as it should be a family friend. Clinks his glass a toast joe. Junior raises his own. Glass as the man stands. The friend looks at old joe and says to embassador. Joe kennedy father of our hero. Our own hero lieutenant john f. kennedy of the united states navy. Oh boy i'd like to see the look on joe junior's face right now. Yeah i'm imagining a very very stiff smile. Not a smile is as tyra day. And jack's not even there. He's still in the hospital recovering from the ordeal but even from a distance he's stealing the spotlight later that night. A guest who sleeping over in the room next to joe junior reportedly hear him crying and muttering by god. I'll show them. Oh no. I sense a bad decision coming. Well when joe junior returns to his post in england he volunteers for a dangerous secret mission. He probably sees it as one chance to top his brother and return his family to its natural order. All have to do is fine. Experimental plane loaded with ten tons of explosives locked onto a target turn on autopilot and then parachute out before the plane hits the target and explodes. Oh is that all he asked to do. Yeah so easy right. Yeah and there are so many signs telling joe junior to abort the mission all the test flights fail another pilot warned him that the electronics on the plane aren't working properly. But he won't call it off. He's desperate to be the family hero. It's sunday august thirteenth. Nineteen forty four in the hyannis port. The windows are open. The ocean breeze wafts over the youngest kennedy children. They're playing with their mother. Rose in the living room near twenty-seven-year-old jack. He keeps readjusting himself on the sofa. Trying to get comfortable but he just can't since the pt boat incident is back keeps giving out whenever he moves. He has crushing pain for the past year. He's basically been living at chelsea naval hospital. All he's had to do is worry about getting better when he's up to it. Jackal figure out what he wants to do with the rest of his life and now that he's a war hero. He's a man with a ton of options during his senior year at harvard. Jack wrote a thesis on british foreign policy and the start of world war two is professor is convinced him to publish it. And the book. Why england slept became a bestseller. Not bad for a college kid cia jacket. Just stay the course and become an author. He loves reading. He loves writing. Or there's law school or maybe a career in academics. A professor perhaps good afternoon and welcome to econ one on one. The point is he has choices. Basically the world is his daughter. It's not like that for his brother. Joe junior his path has been laid out for him from the start. His father joe senior had hoped to be the first catholic president but the nation wasn't ready for a non protestant commander in chief thinking. The next generation would be more accepting joe senior. Put all his dreams a his first born baby boy she even tells reporters. This child is the future president of the nation and he isn't kidding. Everything joe junior does all of his studies all of his achievements. Everything is part of a bigger plan to become the president of the united states of america cheese. Fresh and all jack has to worry about at the moment is trying to find a better position on the couch. Something comfortable enough that he can take a nap. It closes his eyes he hears his mother rose scrambling to the door and then it all becomes a blur. He can see two priests in the entry. Here's his mom race upstairs to wake his father from a nap. He here's his parents race back down and then the crime joe. Junior isn't missing an action. Like jack was after his. Pt boat sank in this case. There's no mistaking what happened. Twenty minutes after taking off joe. Juniors plane exploded in mid-air with joe junior still inside for the next few days. Joe senior shuts himself away in his bedroom listening to samba music when he emerges he summons jack to his office jack later recalls the meeting saying it was like being drafted. My father wanted his oldest son in politics on. It isn't the right word. He demanded it he'd been planning joji nears life since the moment he'd been born as one friend of the family put it. It was as though. Joe kennedy had mounted with painstaking attention to the smallest detail. A drama intended to be long and triumphant only to see the curtain run down crew finality after the prologue. Now joe senior is determined that the show must go on and jack will take his older brother's place and had his jack feel about that. Well i think jack always secretly wanted to be the one who run for president. Joe junior cared about following the rules and living up to his parents expectations but jack always cared about ideas even as a kid. He stayed up late reading books about democracy in american history. So jack's ready to take his brother's place in his father's master plan and by the end of nineteen forty five. Jack throws his hat into the political arena. He sets off to grab a seat in the house of representatives. But as jack starts campaigning and giving speeches it becomes glaringly apparent. How inexperienced he is yes. He has a way with words. But that's as a writer not as speaker. Okay wait hold on. I'm having a hard time picturing this. Jfk was like great orders of the twentieth century while he gets there eventually. But that's not how things start out at twenty eight. Jack has a tendency to talk too quickly keep his eyes on his speech and speak in monotone high pitched voice and he can't lift to save his. Is he also naked in front of a high school auditorium. No but it's bad after jack. Fumbles a speech. So every time he gives one jack. Joe seniors sit down and painstakingly review it. Game tape analyzing every little detail. But speaking isn't jack's only weakness. He's also not very outgoing on the campaign trail. He's not kissing strangers babies or mingling with the locals. Oh come on man. You gotta kiss the babies. I know it's what makes you a politician and joe seniors getting a little nervous. I mean he's now. Put all his eggs in jack basket and a ton of his own money into the campaign but then the kennedy men get a surprise. The voters like jack. They like his shyness. They like that. He's not a career politician. They lake that he doesn't come across as insincere full of shit to them. Jack is a breath of fresh air. He doesn't condescend or belittle them by pretending to be their friend and even though he's young he seems smart. Plus he's a war hero. Emma nine hundred and six elections. Jack wins by a landslide defeats his republican opponent with seventy three percent of the vote and becomes the us representative for the eleventh congressional district of massachusetts who passed the champagne on now that he's in the house the senate hop in skip away and after that the presidency joe seniors plan for the next generation of kennedys is back on track. Except for one detail. If jack's going to go all the way he needs a wife and jack has no interest in settling down. his own. father's womanising is legendary. He cheats on rose constantly. But jack takes it to another level even though he's scrawny and sickly he's a self described sexual maximalist. He claims he gets horrible headaches if he goes three days without sex. Okay now this is in no way medical advice but i'm one hundred percent. Sure that's not a real thing. I one hundred percent agree with you. But his bad health actually seems to be an asset as a friend of his puts it. He has money looks and sympathy. A roommate of his at the time. Says he's never seen anything like it. In his words jack would just look at women and they tumble in the forties and early fifties heats a bevy of stars like joan crawford. Lana turner had he. Lamar susan hayward and zsa gabor. But none of these stunning women managed to hold jackson tension for very long. He can't seem to commit to a relationship. 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If the bartlett's is never just dinner party. Charlie and martha treat matchmaking. Like a sport. They probably keep a running tally of successful matches in a shared diary. Bill jack next to a young woman and expected to make painful small. Talk all night long when it comes to women. Jack refers to skip that step. But he also knows that the bartlett's our relentless they'll keep inviting him over every weekend until he meets whatever woman they have in mind for him so he may as well. Just get this over with the door. Opens the bartlett. Say hello hello and usher him inside. Only one seat at the dinner table is unclaimed and it's right across from a stunning young brunette. Who's about five foot. Seven with a squarish face and white set is jackie. That's right is it love at first sight. Actually they've laid eyes on each other before. Jack wants tried to pick her up on the train. Of course he didn't and at another dinner party but that was back. When jackie was engaged to the other john john huston so as they simple fashions. Jack swallows his pride and starts making small talk but to his surprise it quickly stops healing like small talk. He mentions a book he's just bought. She's already read it. He cracks a joke. She tops it. It's like they're dancing. Whatever move he throws down she can do it backwards and inhales she's well read and sarcastic and lightning quick on her feet and at the end of the night or so. The story goes. Jack leans over the asparagus and ask jackie out on a real date. Just the two of them. And what does she say i imagined. She has a taste for a moment in jackie's account of the night. She says that. Jackie for the strong impression of a man who did not want to marry. But she's also intrigued. She's never met a man like him. So jackie follows her heart. She leans in meeting jack over the asparagus and with her soft voice says yes dan that asparagus is getting more action than most people. This party i should take notes. Jackie later tells a friend that in that moment she was frightened envisioning heartbreak for herself but swiftly determined that such a heartbreak with be worth it over the next few months. Jack and jackie begin spending time together or as much time as jackson spare running for the senate is time consuming and keeps him on the road campaigning for days and weeks at a time but when they're together they make the most of it they go to the movies mostly westerns and flex about the civil war. Jack's favorites they played games like monopoly and scrabble. They're both viciously competitive but to jackson as men and late. Jackie almost always wins. Ma read together according to jackie. Jack isn't a flower and candy type. Instead of red roses and chocolates. Jack gives her novels. Okay not my thing. Look good for that. Big constantly. swap books gives her some of his favorite books on british history. Which she gobbles up. Jack picks and interest in whatever jackie's reading to jackie later says when i was reading about the eighteenth century he'd snatch a book for me and read know all of louis the fifteenth mistresses before i would Learning from the best icy seriously but this relationships about more than sex for jack. He's fascinated by jackie. They're both naturally private people who can turn their charm on and off like switch but when they're together something else happens whether they're talking or just silently reading an electric current runs between them. He's never felt that before. And jackie feels at two. She's falling hard jackson. I man she's ever met who checks all her boxes. Let's see box one attractive. Obviously check clear. Blue is a quick smile wild reddish hair and some weird animal magnetism going on okay box to wealth. Of course his kennedy trust fund made him a millionaire when he was only twenty one. This guy is janet approved and what's box number three alcoholic. Philanderer untrustworthy womanizer. Actually kind of jackie's always worshipped her dad who let's remember was always cheating on her mom and he never apologized for it so he basically taught her that charismatic men sheet. And that's just a fact of life. The writer. jorge plumpton said it best. Jackie loved pirates. Her father was one so was jack. All her life jackie's balked at rules and predictability but if she marries jack she knows she'll get a big wild unpredictable life. She'll be back out in the pacific ocean as far away from her mother's world as she can get and that's exactly what she wants but deep down she also knows that jack still not the marrying kind. There's only one thing that can change that cutting polygamy back on the bucks or winning the senate. His father told him if he wins. He'll have to wife up no way around that. Nobody will take him seriously as a politician if he's not a family man so jackie wants jack. She's gonna have to pray he wins. And it's going to take a lot of praying. Jacks running for a senate seat. That's currently occupied by very popular sitting republican. Henry cabot lodge junior lodges a protestant blueblood and comes from one of new england's most prominent political families. Plus he has the backing of presidential nominee. Dwight d eisenhower. Jack on the other hand is catholic and fifteen years younger than lodge. His religion and his youth are working against him as election. Day grows closer all signs point to jack. Losing finally on november fourth nineteen fifty to the voters of massachusetts take to the polls and in a nail biter jack narrowly scrapes by winning the senate seat by only seventy thousand votes. I hear wedding bells. Not so fast. Jack does invite jackie. The president eisenhower's inaugural ball but still no proposal comes in fact he starts dating audrey hepburn on the side. What the fuck yeah. Jack still isn't ready to give up his bachelor lifestyle. He's terrified of the idea. But jackie is not going to give up that easily. She's now writing a column for the washington times herald where she interviews people about everyday life and she starts asking more serious questions to get jackson attention while before she asked questions like are beauty operators in barber's entitled to tips. She's now asking. Malchanov said all issues between the united states in russia are solvable by peaceful means. Do you agree. Those papers are gonna fly off the shelves and in her spare time. She translates books from french to help. Jack buff up on french. China policy but jackie's mom is watching all of this from afar and shaking her head. She thinks that. In order to get a man. Like jack to propose you have to play hard to get unlike him like the chase like to be the pursuer not the pursued so janet comes up with an idea more like a scheme to make jack the pursuer. Jackie needs to become less available. And what better. Way to be less available than to be thousands of miles away over the atlantic ocean in england. Janet thinks jackie should go cover queen elizabeth's coronation for her column at first. Jackie isn't too keen on this idea. But eventually she agrees she'll take the free trip and see what happens. It's june second. Nineteen fifty-three jackie's outside of buckingham palace. She's got her camera around her neck and she's found a few brits to interview she asked do you think. Elizabeth will be england's last queen. Jackie returns to her hotel and publishes the story a couple of days later she receives a telegram. It reads articles excellent. But you are missed. Love jack whoa janna was right. Did not see that coming. I know right amend. Jackie gets a phone call. She answers it in her soft breathy voice. Hello though his voice crackles. She can hear his thick boston accent. It's jack he gets right to it. He spoke with blackjack and got his blessing and then he says the words. Will you marry me over the fucking phone. Yup and it appears. Jackie feels the same way as you about the proposal. She says she'll think about it. Good yeah she loves him. There's no doubt about that but now that she's almost gotten what she wants. She panics. asa friend. How can you live with husband. Who's bound to be unfaithful. Even if you love that person how can you put up with that and not lose a large piece of yourself. Jackie hops over to paris for a few days to clear her mind. It's even rumored that while she's there she briefly rekindles a relationship with an axe. Ooh la but jackie's heart pulls her back to boston. Jack meets her at the airport where he presents her with an almost three carat diamond engagement ring set with an equally large emerald. He places the ring on her finger. And jackie gives the official yes to becoming mrs john. F. kennedy we finally got our airport engagement. We did and jackie gets her happy ending. 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How to Enhance Investor Discipline by Being Lazy
"Broadcasting from Baltimore Maryland and all around the world. You're listening to the stands berry investor our. Tune in each Thursday on I tunes for the latest episodes of the stands berry investor. Our sign up for the free show archive at investor our dot com, here's your host, Dan ferris. Hello, and welcome everyone to another episode of the stands berry investor, our, I am your host, Dan ferris. I'm also the editor of extreme value evalu- investing service published by stands Barry research. We have a really interesting show, today, I kind of tried to make a little theme here between the rant and the guest who is really a cool, cool guy Daniel Crosby. We'll talk with him later. So let's get started with the ramp. Okay, this week, I'm going to give you one of my little pet theories. Actually, it's not a theory. That's one of the things I learned in the past couple of weeks. The difference between models and theories. So my mind is a model and my little model is about the dominant emotion in the stock market. So it and it's probably really the dominant emotion at extremes highs in extreme lows, and I'm giving this to you. It's kind of like I said, it's a pet theory, or pet model of mine because it's different from what you normally hear. Okay. So first of all, I said models are different from theories. There's a really good book. I'm reading I'm actually I'm like literally two pages from the end I stopped just two or three page for the Ed yesterday afternoon. It's called models behaving badly by Emanuel Durman. It's like two hundred pages. It's loaded with stuff. I will definitely be reading it again. Very soon matter of fact, I might finish. Today and then just start on it again. Because it's that good. And one of the things he teaches you is the difference between models and theories. So a model is just a it's a simplification. It's a representation. It's like a metaphor or an analogy of something else. It's incomplete, but it's supposed to be enough. Like the thing that you're modeling to be useful, but a theory is different from that. A theory is like a fact. It's inseparable from the thing, you're theorizing Maxwell's, equations, are they are. Electrically that or I'm sorry, the electromagnetic field. Right. And at cetera et cetera. At you or I guess we could use Newton's theory, you know, of the planetary motion, that is planetary motion. And this fellow George box was juror was a British statistician. He said he summed up models. He said all models are wrong, but some are useful, and I'm not even totally sure of the use of my little model but it's different and I think that I think it's important to, to think clearly, and, in fact, I have this book by one of our former guests on the show. Shane parrish. It's about mental models. And the subtitle is the quality of your thinking depends on the models in your head. And so I think this I'm hoping to improve the quality of your thinking as an investor with this model. Okay. So the standard emotional model of the stock market has to extremes. Right. We're greedy at the top, and we're fearful at the bottom, and you've all heard this. I'm sure you've all heard, perhaps the most famous proponent of this Warren Buffett say you have to learn to be. Greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy. That's supports that basic emotional model the market. It doesn't seem really right. To me it requires people to follow. I it's like your, your basic emotional makeup changes too much to me, depending on the direction of the market, right? And greed greed doesn't feel like the right one because it's greed is an, an intense an intense selfish desire for something. And if greed were the primary motivator, you'd think that an intense selfish desire would lead you toward activities that would increase the likelihood that you'll get the thing you're greedy for right. But it doesn't seem to do that. You know, whether it's money or whatever kind of thing it is that you're greedy for at the very least if it is agreed, it's working way against way against folks. So it seems to me like there's something more powerful than greed in operation. So my emotional models. Stock market is very, very simple. It says first of all, that the dominant emotion in the market never really changes. The primary human motivations never change. And there's one primary one that, that my model is based on it says the fear of not being like other humans. Right. It's the fear of being different of doing something different than other people. Right. So, so we're all more afraid of not being like other humans than we are almost anything else that's not physically harmful. But as a matter of fact, even quite a bit of physical harm is endure by folks who are doing things to to try to be like others. Right. You know, people you can just imagine, you know, people wearing uncomfortable, clothing, or, or marking up their bodies with tattoos or doing, you know, other painful things so they can be like everyone else. So we're all kind of constantly performing for one another throughout our lives in hopes of getting this approval and being like everyone else. Right. Remember Shakespeare as you like it the. Jake's act, two scene seven all the world's a stage all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances, and one man. In his time plays many parts. His acts being seven ages etcetera etcetera. So, yeah, we perform for one another out of a purely selfish motive to right? And this is the way, for example, in nature birds and fish appear. They do the same thing birds and fish when they swarm the way they do. They appear to be acting all together in concert. Right. But we found so I'm told by people who know that they're really acting individually to minimize the chances. They'll be caught by a predator. So when you see those swarms of birds doing those beautiful, you know, shapes in the sky there trying not to be caught by a predator and same thing with fish, and I think I think humans tend to swarm to I saw great video recently by guy named Steven stroke -at's, who is very. Good at making math and scientific subjects a lot of fun to learn about. And he has a Ted talk called Hal things in nature tend to sync up, and it's and he's spends a lot of time on swarms. And, and he quotes this guy in cousin from Oxford who talks about the laws of swarms. Right. So the laws of swarms are want there's four of them all the individuals are only aware of their nearest neighbor. All the individuals have a tendency to line up right to want to go in the same direction, all individuals are attracted to each other. But they try to keep a small distance apart one body length for fish three body links for birds, generally speaking, and then the fourth laws when predators are coming, get out of the way. So it looks like a collective behavior, but it's not. And each individual's acting to save itself, it's essentially trying to hide behind the other. So for humans, you know, the predator is substituted with you know, whenever complex emotions. We'd rather not feel whatever bad thing. Thing is going to happen. And the bad thing I'm suggesting in the market is not being like everybody else. Right. So I would say the dominant emotion in the market at all times is fear. It's not great. It's always fear fear of not being in at the top fear of not being out at the bottom, and the fear of not buying what everybody else is buying on the way up and not selling what everybody is selling on the way down fear of not, it's the same fear that people have in all kinds of situations in where where, you know, social situations right, same thing. So it's not greed really, if greed were the dominant emotion p-, you know, you'd think that would overwhelm other emotional responses, and you'd act in order to guarantee that the object of your desire, where something you've got, you know, that you made a lot of money in the stock market. But people don't do that. I certainly knowledge the role of greed. It's definitely there. But I'm just saying that dominant emotion at the top of the. Market, which I think we're at or near it's, it's different. It's fear. It's the fear, you know, people call people like to use this race foam of fear of missing out. That's, that's it. It's the fear of missing out. It's the fear of not being like everyone else in everyone else's buying, therefore, you're afraid, not to buy. So you know what? People really do. I mean, if you just we'll talk with our guest today about what people are sort of programmed to do you know by Evelyn and versus what they ought to do. But I think no matter how you look at this only the fear of staying in and get getting in and being in an staying in explains the top, you know, eventually, of course, everybody who wants to be in the market who wants to buy is in, and eventually, the things start to go the other way, you know, the swarm smells a predator coming, right? Whether it's Chinese trade talks or inflation, fears or, or, you know, falling us and p five hundred earnings or whatever it is, you know, the swarm tends to smell it in each individual acts on their own. And then there's this aggregate behavior that kind of comes out, which we call the market crash. Or a bear market, or, you know, or bull market is the same thing it's the same aggregation of this fear of not being like everyone else. So that, that's really that's, that's my whole stick. That's my whole model of emotions in the stock market. I don't really have like, you know, I can't tie this up in bow for, I can't tell you, well, because, you know, this, you can make a million dollars because all you have to do is blabbity blah de blah. But I just think that if you aren't thinking clearly about these things, you're going to screw up and you're going to count on. For example, you may count on others greed at the top, and you may count on. You can probably count, if you're at the bottom, but you may count on it too much. And then, of course, the bottom turns around eventually as well. So what are you counting on others to do because that's what we're doing in the market. If you read people like Howard marks. He's a good one to read. You have to be aware of what other people in the stock market or doing if everybody wants to do something, it's probably a bad bet. You know. So if everybody's afraid of not doing something. And remember there was an episode previously, where we talked about negative behavior defining your behavior negatively and we're doing that here, aren't we were saying things that you're afraid, not to do your afraid not to be in at the top. You know. You know, if there's something in the market, your freight, not to own, I'm sure there were plenty of people who are afraid not to own task slow, and it was pushing toward four hundred bucks. And of course, there are other Evelyn Mary responses that keep people from selling, you know, they don't want to that they don't want to sell when they're when they're under water, and I think a lot of those folks are underwater now because tests, this Tesla's story starting to fall apart. So, you know, and at the bottom, of course, they'll all be afraid to own it. They'll be afraid not to sell it and all of this. Maybe maybe it's not as powerful you for you, as it is for me, but it's a pretty powerful model this fear of not being into top fear of not being at the bottom. It reminds me for example of Blaise PASCAL the philosopher, who said of all, all of humanity's problems stem from ends inability to sit quietly in a room alone. Now I've certainly met people in my life. Who I'm convinced are, you know, if they sit in a room alone, they become fearful, right? They're afraid. In other words, not to be with other people. They're afraid not to be doing. That's what I that's part of what I get from that, quote that a lot of people are afraid, not to be with other people. And, you know, I think we could we so you can add to this, right. A substantial number of humanity's problems come from constantly, comparing yourself to others and being afraid that you won't be like them you won't measure up to them that you're not recognized. You're not as rich. You're not as attractive. You're not whatever. And, and I think that enters into the market, I'm afraid not to make as much money as my neighbors making. I'm afraid to lose more than he's making at the bottom, right? I'm afraid not to own what he owns on the way up and not to sell what he sells in the way down. I'm also reminded of. You know, when we get toward what this is worth, and what the solution of this is I'm reminded of a film called the never ending story. It was kind of, I think it was rated G it was a good family fell. And it was kind of a fantasy thing that took place in a in a, you know, far off make believe land at one point in the film. The hero has to pass between two large statues that basically will, I think they like shoot laser beams out of their eyes or something. And they'll kill you. If you are not, I think it was the way they phrased it was the man who knows his own worth something like that. And the market is like that to the market will kill you. If you don't know your own worth, and your limitations, and, and if you don't know, yourself emotionally, and if you aren't really, if you aren't honest with yourself, for example, recently, I read something that suggested that investors don't know their own time horizon. In other words, people say, well, I'm a long term investor yet. You're a long term investor until the market drops forty percent. And then all of a sudden, you're a traitor, who wants to minimize short-term drawdowns, you know that that's that's how we really are. So it's hard, the point of that is, it's hard to know yourself, but you need to know yourself and you need to understand that fear is driving the fear of not being like other folks is driving. You a lot more than you probably admit, so, you know, at the very least I believe it is worth something to give ourselves. An updated version of Warren Buffett's famous advice. And you know, instead of maybe simply trying to say you wanna be greedy when others fearful and fearful when others agreed, you may be you want to learn. To be afraid of being too much like other investors in any given time it may amount to this to a similar thing. But I think it subtly different because you'll wind up doing mentioned Howard marks Marx's, always talking about how if you want to make money in the stock market. You have to hold a portfolio that looks different from the from what most people are holding. Right. So of everybody's indexing and buying the same five hundred stocks. Maybe you wanna buy less of those or none of them and buy something else. And in the pages of my newsletter extreme value. We, we've been pretty much doing that. We now have three count in one two three stocks related to the mining industry. Now they're not mining companies and I don't wanna get into all that. If you're an extreme value reader, you know what they are. But I the reason we're buying those is because most people don't own that stuff must feel don't own it. At most times. But, but people have really fallen way out of love with in the past few years, ever since the, there was a four year brutal, bear market, and gold stocks, and, you know, they still kind of not very far off the bottom. And there are some really good deals on some really great business models and great management teams, you know, stuff with limited downside, and huge upside potential, that you just don't get when you buy those other, you know, five hundred stocks at everybody wants down. Okay. So the dominant emotion market is at all times is the fear of not being like everyone else. That's the rant for today. Let's talk about what's new. Couple of things this week, just a couple before we get to our interview the first one is well, look. I'm a value investor so you're going to get this stuff now. And then you just going to have to have to deal with it. Another sign that being a value investor is about to be a much better strategy than just paying any price for rapid growth in no prophets a report by. Aby Bernstein the research firm, and they say that the valuation spread between cheap stocks and expensive stocks is at its widest point in seventy years. So if you look at the cheapest stocks in the market and the most expensive stocks in the market, and you basically subtract the, you know, figure out some valuation criteria and subtract the cheap from the expensive. Right. That difference is at its greatest point in seventy years. So in and of itself, maybe you say who the hell cares? Well, you should because as they also point out, and the fellow wrote this report is in nego, Fraser Jenkins value buying the cheapest stuff as a strategy as an investing style tends to outperform when this dispersion he calls it is, is wide. Also. It's when the dispersion is this wide. And when there have been downward earnings revisions, and we had those right? So S and P five hundred earnings, you know, there have been downward revisions and earnings and the difference between the cheapest part of the market, and the most expensive part is at its widest, and seventy years. And this is, you know, this is another as far as I'm concerned, it's just more more fueling the fire of the admittedly grindingly slow transition from a market obsessed with growth at any price prophets are not. You know, unprofitable growth come, you know, just hasn't meant anything but I have to note that the beyond meat IPO we talked about past couple of weeks that thing is up hundreds of percent. I think it's been public for what two weeks three weeks two or three weeks and it's up, hundreds and hundreds of percent. It trades at something like fifty times sales, and, and so that one has, you know, sword and a bunch of them have soared, but Uber and lift, you know, lift is down like fifty percent since it went public. And of course, Uber pick it might have just picked a bad moment to oppose it, but it's down to, and, you know, the, the bloom is off the tesla rose. I believe, and it's getting worse. So, so maybe were grinding into a transition here from growth at unprofitable growth at any price to buying cheap stocks with good fundamentals and speaking of IPO's, the other thing, I just wanted to mention was I, I did this little search and let me just get an in front of me here. I did the search on about IPO's just on the Wall Street Journal. And, you know, I pulled up all these headlines, one of them says Uber has poisoned an IPO market. That was sick. Anyway, uber. Lift. Get creative with the numbers, but investors aren't blind to the losses. Uber. Stocks plunge is a blemish on the IPO market. There was another Uber's high profile I appeal upsets with week debut thought there was another one, but anyway. You get the message right this, the, the narrative here is that there's something wrong with IPO's that fall once the company immediately after the company goes public. But I think that's just a sign of the times that people expect an IPO to soar after the thing goes public. Look, an IPO is an exit, right? They're selling they're selling stock. When people say this company is going public. It means this company is going to sell a giant chunk of itself to the world. Okay. So it's no surprise that you know, if they do their job, right? The stock falls after it goes public because their job is to get the highest possible price. They can get into me. It looks like they did that with lift, and they certainly did it with lift the things down fifty percent. And it looks like they've done it with Uber as well. So the real mystery is why a company like beyond meet this, you know, company that makes plant based meets source. You're right. That's the real mystery goes from, you know, I think IPO like eleven or ten times sales, and then it's now it's an excess a fifty time sales. It's up hundreds of percent. It's crazy. So that is really that's really all that's new this week. And I just wanted to point that out to you, because we have, you know, these are alternating they're kind of different signs of the times, the movement from growth to value, and this belief that PEOs should soar after they after the stock goes public when the rational expectation ought to be the exact opposite. All right. So let's get onto our interview right now. This week's guest is Daniel Crosby educated at Brigham Young and Emory university's Dr Daniel Crosby is a psychologist and behavioral finance expert who helps organizations understand the intersection of mind and markets. Dr Crosby's first book, personal benchmark, integrating behavioral finance and investment management was a New York Times bestseller. Nice his second book. The laws of wealth was named the best investment book of two thousand seventeen by the axiom business book awards and has been translated into five languages. His latest work. The behavioral investor is a comprehensive look at the neurology physiology and psychology of sound financial decision making when he is not consulting around market psychology. Daniel enjoys exploring the American South phonetically following Saint Louis cardinals baseball and. Pending time with his wife and three children. Please welcome. Daniel crosby. Daniel, welcome. Yeah, thanks so much. Rounding me. Yeah, that was that's a you you've done a few things in your life. You've written a few books and done a few things. So I like doing hard things that pay poorly. What can I say? I feel you hoes a music, major in college. So let's get to know you a little bit like how did you how did you come to this, where you it seems like you've been studying psychology for some time, but, but how what was your life like growing up that kind of where there any, you know, events or things about your the way you were raised that led you to this, you know, admittedly, not, not a lot of people do this. So how'd you get into it? I grew up in son of a financial adviser that we definitely formatted. So, you know, I grew up talking about investing talking about stocks and at the dinner table who said this is always been a passion of mine, and so was a was a missionary for a couple of years in came back with a desire to help people, and so went into psychology. And then, you know, long story short wanted to find a blend away find a way to win. My two great loves of. Of learning about human behavior and, and studying capital markets. And here we are at behavioral finance would sit squarely at the intersection of those two roads. So let's talk about your book because, you know, have the book and I actually haven't read every word of it, but I look through it, and I think, you know, probably read like most of it, and I noticed something, the whole first part of the book it's like I get to the first end of the first section I'm like, boy, I never went to go near the stock market again. It seems like you're telling me that we're ever Lucien airily sort of setup to do anything but succeed in the stock market. That an unfair characterization or. No. I think I think that's quite fair. I mean, I sort of liked to joke that, you know, God could not have created a worse investor than you are. I when you when you study the, you know, everything from the brain science to the way that our society operates sort of everything, everything within us, and everything outside of us is, is setup. I to make poor financial decisions. But, you know, taking that as a as a starting place, I think, once you're aware of, of some of these problems, you can start to combat them. So hopefully, hopefully you get to some of the more optimistic stuff because I think you should go near the stock market and indeed I think you have to if you're gonna keep, you know, keep up your standard of living, but you have to be kind of Frank about how the cards are stacked against you. And I think I think that's a fair affair description. So let's talk about a little bit like if you had to sort of some up, you know, the. There's a one way or, you know, if you could sum, it all up in one idea, or if they're like two or three main ideas, like, what's, what's the big problem, with us humans, I think I can sum it up in a couple of ideas, you know. So if you look at the societal piece, which I think is seldom considered, you know, we, we know that the number one thing we have over the rest of the animal kingdom because we're animals. We forget that sometimes, but we're animals to and the thing that we do better than any other animal species is that we believe in things that aren't true. But we agree upon and they help us to operate. So anything from, you know, the borders of a country to the, the laws of state to the, you know, the structures of a religion and everything in between. He's our construct that we agree upon and give form and function to our lives. But they aren't strictly true. I mean, they aren't strictly chew in the most car. Concrete literal sense. And so in a very real sense, humankind's greatness is at the -bility to agree on and cooperate around these what will call functional fix and well, that's a good way to build a society at the bad way to make decisions in the stock market where you're gonna wanna be objective and impersonal. And on a fact finding mission. And so, you know, I go into a great deal of detail in the book, as you know, about how this tendency to believe in things that aren't true, but are useful can help us and other facets of our life, but can hurt us when it comes to investing. And then when it comes to our brains, our brains haven't had an upgrade in nearly two hundred thousand years they account for two to three percent of our body weight, but, but twenty five to forty percent of our energy consumption and given day and to because there's such a mismatch between size and consumption were always looking for ways to think less. This is just a truth of humankind. We're always looking for ways to think less and again, that's fine. If you're just trying to get through your day, but thinking less than shutting your brain off and shutting off the parts of your brain associated with critical thinking and decision making not a great way to approach capital markets. So those are just two quick examples of how the, the deck is stacked against us that okay? So I'm just gonna grab not really at random, but let's just say random just a couple of ideas from the end of one of your early chapters here and he says, it's taking financial risk causes real bodily pain. Gosh, that just makes me wanna run right out and buy one hundred shares of Google. I mean. How does that happen? What do you mean by that? We're so what's interesting is the stress response. You know, the stress response to being, you know, beat up in a dark alley, or, you know, chased in a dark alley. And you know, watching your Uber shares fall to the floor they're identical. You know, our body doesn't differentiate when we're having a negative response or a stress response. There's no differentiation made between the physical stressor and emotional stressor. Wait a minute. You're telling me that losing money on goo on Uber or Google or whatever is like getting punched in the gut or something. Well, it's the stress now getting punched in the gut is, is different. That's why I said, being chased instead of being beat up now being beat up is its own zone set of circumstances. But yes, the stress response to being, you know, pursued by something that has you endanger in fear. You feel. Watching your shares drop is identical and, you know they've done studies on value investors brain scans on value investors like deep contrarian investors, and it maps onto things like loneliness. You know, the, the loneliness of being a contrarian and the loneliness of being picked Lhasa kickball or you know, not getting asked to dance. These are identical phenomena. So it's, it's a fascinating thing to understand that there's real risk. There's real pain. There's real loneliness in being, you know, thoughtful contrarian investor. Okay. I'm going to grab one more and more of these before we move on. And it's the one right underneath, it says fear is impossible to extinguish since the body stores, it for a rainy day. What does that mean? So this was a study, this was a study done on rats that was can that were conditioned to fear a stimulus. But if you think back. Your psych one hundred class and you learn about Pavlov and the salivating dogs, right? So this is the same kind of thing, the rats they pair stimulus like the ringing of a bell with an versus stimulus like shock. And so they condition them to be scared of just the bell. But then they take it back the other way, the extinguish it, they decouple that pairing so that the rats no longer expect that they're no longer scared of the bell. But then what they did is they severed. The corpus callosum the, the part that connects the two him as fears of the brain. They ring the bell again in the rats freak out the rats are scared again. So what we find and what we assume is true about humans. It's not quite as easy to do studies on humans. But what we find in rats and assume about human is that there is a physical place in the brain where strong emotional responses are stored. So we have a place in our brain that says March of two thousand nine not a metaphorical. Place, a physical marker in our brain that stores, traumatic experiences from the stock market. And so we hang onto that the body hangs onto fear and loss. Because if you think about loss and primitive times, you only get one shot. Right. You only get one shot and not get eaten by the tiger, you know, you're, you're being caught by the tiger or the bear, whatever is a one time deal. So if you if you have a close, call, you wanna hang onto that bad memory forever, and not repeat it? So our body is in the most literal sense, possible condition to hang onto fear in a very physical tangible way. So just, you know, was a negative emotions that you describe in the book. I almost feel like being in the stock market is like being at war for some people for most of us, or being in a fight, or, or war or something. I mean like you said, it's not a physical. It's different when you're getting punched in the gut, but, but. At least at the very least it's like we're all kind of being chased by somebody who wants to harm the whole time, we're in the market. Well, it, it injured thing. Right. Because the market give it in the market, take it away because there was a Harvard study. I cited in, in my book previous that looked at brain scans of, of day, traders and tried to map, you know, the sort of the, the four a day, trader feels on, on a good day I against the brains games of people engaged in other activities, and the closest the closest link. They could find between a successful day trader with someone who was doing drugs, and so you know, they call they call drugs dope because it's a dopamine rush. And there's a dopamine rush when you're having success, you know, there's there, there's nor nor epinephrine when you're having a bad day. So it is at times, like, being at war and at times, it's like getting high. Being in the market. We'll have you all over the place for sure. Right. So I'm glad you mentioned the positive emotion because now I'm looking in chapter seven of your book chapter seven just called emotion. And I'm on page ninety three and I'll just read a little bit and says. Happiness leads to greater reliance on heuristic or cognitive shortcuts. And then it says another study found that positive mood increases reliance on stereotypes to judge other people. And then there's, there's a lot more than that. But basically after telling me that all these negative emotions are, are working on me to prevent me from being a good investor. It's telling me the pods, positive emotions are also kind of not making a very good investor either. So, like, no matter how bad or good. I feel I'm bad investor. Well, it interesting. So a couple of things that study found that, that rate that happy, people were more racist. Right. So your, your happiness is kind of making eraser that what they found, like when you're in a good news you want to hang onto that good mood. You don't want to be disturbed from that good. Newt. And so it it again, lead you to think less instead of evaluating someone in nuance individual way, you're going to evaluate them, you know, using shortcuts, and maybe stereotypes about, oh, what this kind of person is like, what this kind of group is like, and so interestingly in that same chapter, I talk about a couple of people who were shown to be really, really good financial decision makers. Unexpected groups one was people who had traumatic brain injuries to the emotional processing centers of their brain. So these are people who can't basically feel emotion, and what they found was they were awesome gamblers. They were great investors, but they couldn't even pick out sort of what suit to wear or what kind of ice cream to have because even silly decisions like what flavor of ice cream to choose has an emotional undercurrent, but they were so dispassionate in the markets and the gambling markets in the stock market. Were so dispassionate that they made wonderful decision. So you make a you know, you're, you're bringing up one of the main points of the book, which is, you know, strong emotion is no place to be making big decisions with your money. So emotions unavoidable were always going to be in some sort of emotional state, or another periods of really, really elevated fear or greed or a good time to, to sit it out. Interesting. Because as you also point out on the boat, basically was out emotions. We can't function. We're not human though note you say at one point, no emotion. No humans now. That's, that's exactly right. Yeah. So that's, that's what that feeds into my idea. It's like we're kind of at war with ourselves how, so how do we how do we do this, because another point that you make that, that a lot of the behavioral investor, folks make is that knowing all this doesn't help much. Much. It doesn't change it. Any at least? Right. Yeah. It doesn't it. It doesn't help as much as you'd like it, you prefer one one study. I cited in the book found that people lose thirteen percent of their I q when they're under financial stress, and, you know, some people that don't have an extra thirteen percent. They're dealing with. And so when that's out the door. You know all the good lessons are out the door. So I think there's a couple of things that we can we can take heart. And so the first is the studies show that practice helps you know, Andrew Lowe, and others did studies on on traders who found that overtime. They get more familiar with what markets look like they get more familiar with processes, and their, their emotions become less elevated to the upside or the downside, so take heart in knowing that practice helps I talk a lot about practices in the book like meditation. You know, some of the biggest hedge fund managers in the world are, are really skilled meditators CFA society, just came. Out with a great medication program. And then another thing we can do is just a follow rules, based approach, you know, automate automate, your trading and your investing to the extent possible, and be slavishly. You know, slavishly follow your rules. I don't think it's any to incidence that some of the greatest investors of all time have been have been Kwan's have been rules-based investors. And I think there's some really profound behavioral reasons for not so practice helps education, help some and automation and rules based investing help a ton as well. So all is not lost. Don't worry, so you mentioned the kwanza mean by now the story of Jim Simon's and, and renaissance has been told a few times course they're, they're loaded to the gills with PHD physicists and other other science, folks. And it it's not. I mean I hear. You're trying to give me hope and I want you to do that. But if I'm competing with those folks good night. I mean how how in the work are you telling me that a regular person can really develop a system that, that I can actually understand? That's not based on, you know, the theory of relativity or whatever these people are doing at renaissance that works. Yeah. I think you I think you can. And I don't think you need to be field medal. Winning, mathematician, or work at Ren tack to, you know, to have success. It this, and you'll even look at systems like Joel green Blad. You know, earnings yield ROI formulas and things like that, a lot of what they do is just constrained, bad behavior. So I think, you know, I think there's, there's three things that we wanna look at when we're developing a trading system, you know, it needs to be based on data, you know, needs to have some evidence in the literature, he'd be philosophically sound, and then the third piece is it needs. To be behaviorally hard to implement look at anything from trend momentum value. All of these sort of enduring factors have a behavioral component to them. And so if you've got a system that ticks those three boxes that's database. It's philosophically sensible, and it's rooted in some way, and behavior behavior is not going anywhere. And so if you can develop the discipline that I talk about in the book, I think you're going to be in good stead, and I do not think you have to be a rocket scientist to beat the market. I re- I really don't. But I do think you need to have rocket science level, discipline, I think that's far more important than having a big brain. Okay. So rocket science level disciplined. So when you say that it makes me think of people like like Olympic athletes, for example, and again, I don't know if I want to compete with Olympic athlete. You know, say. It's, it's, it's really hard to develop that level of discipline. It's and my point is, it's highly unusual, isn't it? It's like very few individuals really are capable of that, aren't they? I mean, don't make the cool thing about market and the discipline that you need to, to trade or invest relatives to what you need to be Michael Phelps is Michael Phelps has to get up every morning at four o'clock, and, you know, swim two miles, or whatever he does, we just have to set it, and forget it. I mean, a lot of times the, the real rigor, the real difficulty is in building a system, and in monitoring it, but the great thing about an automated trading strategies, you, you can just kind of set it, and forget it, and so I, I think there's a we have a leg up there, and we don't have to be up. You know, I don't think we have to be up with the with the morning sun to be effective at these things because, you know, it's one of the great things, you can sort of automate proactive. Laziness, I guess you, can you can take this human tendency to be lazy and prone to the status quo. And if you walk in a good status quo, then then you're set. So I think we have an advantage over the Olympics, and we don't have to work, quite so hard, so, so take heart. Okay. So I don't have to be. I don't have to be a, a rental pick, you know, genius physicist. And I don't have to be an Olympic athlete, but I do need to do something. I wonder if we could give our listener sort of the, the generic version of the, the, you know, the portfolio or the method or what, what is it? We can give our listener that he can use out of all this. So I take, you know, I outlined this at at toward the end of the book, I give some sample factors and the ones that I use our value in momentum. And I talk about basically high conviction automated value memento. Mm-hmm. Kamba strategies. So that's I mean, that's sort of my personal gospel. But, you know other people, there's plenty of sensible ways to invest, but I think that they all have a couple of things in common. I think that they account for behavioral risk, they are largely automated. There's a lot of a lot of evidence at this point to suggest for average folks locking in a rules based systems going to beat discretion. Unless you've just got all day to consider the Chinese soybean futures market or whatever. And so I think that that good investing has a couple of females in common. But, but it can take all different flavors, right? I mean, there's all these different things as long as they adhere to these three principles of being rooted in data behavior in a sound philosophy. I don't think you can go wrong, and the discipline, that you need is not physical. It's it's like a logical, you know the. Discipline that you need because even the best system, you know, even the best systems going to underperform, you know, a third of the time, let's say, I think the discipline that you need is to be able to stick with your system in good times and bad. And that's what Jim Simon said, you know, he says we slavishly follow the model even when we think that makes us look like idiots. And it will, you know, it will periodically and you have to have them the mental discipline to, to see it through so that I think, is where that is where the pain comes in. It's not a physical pain. It's, it's a mental pain of, of self doubt and having to see yourself through tough times and that statement by Simon's is remarkable considering the fact that those guys just, you know, they win in the market year after year after year. They are just a force of nature, and yet, he kind of talks about it like like the same way the rest of us might talk about it like, well, you know, we can't win all the time, but we gotta stick with it. I wish I, I wish I could not win all the time as well as the rent doesn't win all the time. So let's, let's try to be more concrete here. Like what? What can I? What can I do? Let's say you know, I come to you, and I, I realize you've probably consult, with, like big corporations or something. But let's say you know, Dan Inc. Dan fares. Anc investor comes to you and says, you know, I think it'd be a lot better this. If I did something different. I don't know what it is. And what you know what? What would you tell me what could you help me with I, you know, I think what you have to do is just meet people where they're at and diagnose, you know, whatever the problem is. I think a lot of, you know, if you look at what what most people fall prey to. I think there's, there's about four things that most people fall prey to, you know, the first one is, is over-confidence. So a lot of people are, you know, over lever it or taking on excessively, large editions, or over trading or turning as a as a, as a corollary to this overconfidence. So the first thing that I'm looking for in a portfolio evidence evidence of this ego or over. Confidence in the second thing, I'm I'm looking for is attention, which is this tendency for people to confuse ease of recall with, with probability, so, you know, if I'm hearing about it a lot, and it seems very likely. So I think this, this happens all the time, and it leads to performance chasing, and crowded trades and being late. And so we're looking again next for this, this sort of attention bias, which is are they confusing? The something being in the news with it with it being likely the third thing, I'm looking for is conservatism, which is sort of status quo bias, are they are they just, are they looking to close to home. Are they ignore in international opportunities? Are they only playing in this sort of small sandbox are they, you know, are they confusing? In what they know with what's safe or what's desirable. And then the last thing, I'm looking for is, is emotion. You know, are they trading and investing in ways that makes them make them feel good and are emotionally comforting, but I actually destructive to, to wealth creation or not. So I'm always on the lookout for things like that. And again, these take a, a host of, of concrete shapes and a portfolio. Everything from home bias to churning overly concentrated positions, to, you know, poor entering exit framing, all of these behavioral ideas have have real life portfolio corollaries. And I'm looking for these four things I inside of inside of a trade history. See that is that is useful. I hope folks will find that useful because I think I just did. And I wanna tell you, we're getting towards the end of our time now, but I just wanna remind. Everybody that the book is called the behavioral investor by Daniel Crosby. I definitely recommend it. I think a lot of this behavioral stuff is, it's just it tends to be a soup of words, and it doesn't it's not concrete enough, but this book you cite study after study after study and you focus on the fact that evolution has taught us to be who we are. Basically, I've Aleutian has made us what we are. And I think that's for me. That's the important thing is to note that Evelyn set us up to do one thing and the stock market requires another. And you take that topic head on probably better than anybody. I mean I've read a few of these other books. I think you go head on that better than anyone else. So so good for you. Congratulations and help, lots of people by your book yet. I. Appreciate it. And I try to end of chapter to have basically a so what synopsis, and I think I've gotten a lot of positive feedback on that because at the end of the day, like, like you've done a good job in your questioning you wanna take these studies in these theoretical concepts, and go, okay. So what do I do? Now. How do I make money with this? And I've, I've tried to do that in the book. I think I think you've done it. I mean, it's I would definitely say, you know, do do what I haven't done yet. Read it from beginning to end because there's a very clear line of argument. And by the time you get to the end you have a lot more confidence that, that following this passes is the right thing to do. So if I could ask you to leave our listener with one thought. What would it be? I think the thought I'm gonna leave you with is that there is hope there is hope, but the hope is rooted in a clear eyed understanding of, of, who you are, and what your limitations are. And what our limitations are as a human family. So I believe in our ability to, to keep up with and even be capital markets. But it's all predicated on an understanding deep understanding of who we are, and how we're wired very good Daniel Crosby. Thank you for coming on the program and sharing your insights with us. And I really hope that everybody listening to this region book and I hope you'll come back again real soon. All right. Thanks so much. Okay. It's time for the mailbag. Remember, your feedback is very important to the success of this show, and you can simply Email us with a question or comment to feedback at investor our dot com. Feedback and investor our dot com. I read every single one and I try to respond to as many as I can this week. All the feedback was like, really, really long. They were all really long. So I just took the, the latest one the most recent one that I got because they're all pretty good, and they're all really long and they all delve deep into some topic that we've discussed recently. So let's go here. This one is from Perry and Perry lives in Canada somewhere. And he says. He's telling me, he doesn't live that far away from me. I'm in the northwest. He's in British Columbia, and then he says, hi Dan. I can absolutely say that. Prem Prem, Watsa and Fairfax financial are not as well known in Canada as Warren buffet and Berkshire Hathaway I have been enjoying the show since you took over though, I do miss porter. Everybody says that they say they enjoy me with IMAS border. He continues. So with the obligatory suck up out of the way as you can see from the subject. I'm a few episodes behind, but I'm making my way through the backlog. I greatly enjoyed your interview with Bryan Dalton a few this was a few episodes ago, and while I like the Altius idea that's Brian Dalton's company, healthiest minerals. I'm left with one question that applies to all the royalty stream or firms. The P E ratios are very high. I use that old rule of thumb that fifteen is fairly price. I these all blow well past that Franco, one thirty six and then he just gives me the P E ratios, the published headline PE ratio of Franken of outta sandstorm Altius Wheaton and Franco's one thirty six sandstorm one eighty three Altius one of six and Wheaton his twenty nine in the interview Brian implies the compounding twenty percent per annum is what makes the high p palatable. Why are these worth the price they are? I know you said in the interview that you think Altius should be even forty percent higher. Hopefully this question is of general enough interest that you can answer it on a podcast. I am not a subscriber. So I'm not sure how small company you might recommend to your readers. Then he tells me about this company, Maurienne resources, which is way too small for me is, as it seems maybe a little like Altius back in the beginning. I like it. I think is a solid holding for the long-term all the best. Perry. Okay. So I took this question because this issue of PE ratio, what these companies are worth is, is worth thinking about look the value, the intrinsic value of a company is like the intrinsic value of a bond. It's worth the present value today of all the cash flows you receive in the future. One of the things we talked about on the episode with Brian Dalton and it wasn't that long ago, just look for Bryan Daulton. I, I forget, which number it is. But, but one of the things we talked about, is how they own balti- zones, potash royalties. And there's like literally a thousand in one case seventeen hundred years worth of potash in these minds, like seventeen hundred years today without expanding, you know, they could expand further and it could be two thousand years today. Right. So there's a lot of potash in these minds. That Altis owns royalties on. But look when you do a standard intrinsic value analysis. You really don't consider much of the earning power past about twenty or thirty years. In fact, thirty is like much longer than most people go. But this morning's power goes out centuries. Okay. So you could easily just based on that one piece of information you could easily see how the current PE ratio just doesn't come anywhere near valuing these things properly. There's another reason why PE ratio doesn't work for these firms. They tend to be valued based on some multiple of royalties of the royalty revenue. Right. So if for example, Altius let's say they, they approximately hit their guidance and do, let's just call it. Seventy million. Well, the market cab is five hundred and thirty million. This is Canadian dollars, so five hundred thirty million divided by seventy million. Yes, I'm doing this as we speak is about seven point six times royalties. And I can tell you for a royalty company that is dirt stinking cheap. That's dirt, cheap and Altius is arguably cheaper than that, because I've assigned that multiple is just on the royalties in it assigns zero value to the equity portfolio, and the whole prospect generation business. So this thing to me, it should liquidate right now for seventeen or eighteen bucks. It's below thirteen. It's crazy. And we haven't done the kind of work on Franko sandstorm in Wheaton the other ones you mentioned. But that's the way you have to think about them. And of course, you know, the mix of streams versus royalties has to be dealt with, because we talk we've talked about the difference between royalties and streams in previous podcast. But that really is the answer. The answer is if you wanna give the sort of convenient sort of model like we talked about models earlier in this episode. If you just want to model the valuation quickly, you, would you would take a multiple of the royalty revenue. Not the headline PE ratio. Those headline PE ratios. We actually don't use them for any I think they're worthless for every stock. We don't use them at all in extreme value. We do our own work and it's based on, you know, the margins and the cash flow. Lows and the revenues it's not just a simple. I don't think you can get away with a simple, P E multiple. You know, model of valuation, because they're always winds up being so much noise. In the e the earnings, he is price times earnings, and the e is so noisy nowadays, that you really have to do your own work, and build your own model of what the company's real economic output is in terms of cash flow, you know, in terms of their products. And then the cash flows that translates into and, and arrive at evaluation that way, and what we really don't extreme value is even different from that. But we do is we plug in whatever needs to be plugged in terms of revenue margin, cash low etcetera. And in the future, so that we can look at what the price now is in relation to that. In other words, we try to figure out what the current price is saying about the market's expectations if the market expects the thing to shrink, for ten years, and we expected to grow well, then we got a bargain, and that's basically, what Altius looks like today. Great question Perry. Thank you very much. And you know, as you point out, you live right up the road who knows. Maybe we'll see each other. I'll be in British Columbia in Vancouver, British Columbia, this summer in July at the spot stands berry. I think they're calling just the Sprott event now used to be brought stance berry, but Steve sugar to be there. I'll be there. And, and, you know, if you see me, they're definitely come over and say, hi, and we'll shake hands good question. Thanks very much. And that. Ladies and gentlemen, is that's the program. That's another episode of stands berry investor our. Nook. It's my privilege to come to you every week. 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"Welcome intimate of Miracle Calling from Studio forty-nine Albuquerque. I'm Monica Brain. An investigation by the Wall Street Journal into the Indian Health Service found medical professionals at the Indian Health Service had criminal convictions medical licenses that were sanctioned and multiple malpractice claims before they were hired also the native eight American Journalists Association is Calling The New York Times to suspend the reporting in indigenous communities until they get more training. We'll find out why it's a regular news roundup. We'll be right back This is national native news. On Tony Gonzalez. Young people are among those raising awareness of land and water issues in the fall two teenagers. There's let them March. In rapid city South Dakota against the keystone xl pipeline. The LAKOTA Swedish climate activists talked about threats to the environment as China. Lock it. Reports Dakota ironized Chansa question then Greta Tune Berg and hundreds of others follow. 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Tune Berg says people around the world are all dealing with climate change when they support and listen to each other she says the things like pipelines and deforestation can be prevented they suggest symptoms of a worldwide ecological and climate crisis and we are all affected. We are all in the same boat but of course some more affected than others and we need to make sure that the voices of those core the front line of being President Donald Trump approved the Dakota access pipeline and keystone excel pipeline in two thousand seventeen for National L. Native News. I'm trying to lock it. In rapid city. A teenage indigenous water activists from Canada. This fall spoke at the United Nations headquarters in New York as Dan Carpenter Shack reports. She talked about a lack of clean water and indigenous communities fifteen year old impelled. Change from the Wickham. First nation on Manitou Toolan island in northern Ontario. She called on world leaders to respect the sacredness and importance of clean water and repeated something she said before we can't eat money she said ordering oil peltier was speaking at the. UN's global landscapes forum a platform on sustainable land use founded by the UN and the World Bank and she used her speech speech to highlight the lack of clean water many of Canada's indigenous communities here in my country the indigenous people live in third world conditions. Boil water advisories are still dylan existence and have been for over twenty years in some communities there are children born into a world living off bottled water. Living off a certain amount to do everyday the things I began to research issue and discovered it was all across Canada. Bocce said she learned from an early age through traditional knowledge about the sacredness of water. She also called called for an end to the use of plastic as a step forward to a sustainable world. It was the second time peltier spoke at the UN a year ago. She urged the General Assembly to warrior up and stand up for the planet. The Canadian government has pledged to end long-term water advisories on reserves by two thousand. Twenty one eighty-seven advisories have been lifted but fifty fifty six are still in place for National Native News. I'm Dan Carpenter Chuck and I meant Honiara. Gonzalez the national native news is produced by Colonic Broadcast Corporation with funding by the corporation for public broadcasting support by. Aarp Pete what Aarp does might surprise you like sponsoring the National American Indian Housing Council Conference in Las Vegas Nevada December ninth and Tenth Information Mation at A. A. R. P. Dot Org support by Ramona farms offering wholesome and delicious foods from our heirloom crops as our contribution to a better diet for the benefit of all people we are honored to share our centuries old farming and culinary traditions online at Ramona farms dot com native voice one the native American Radio Network this is native America calling Monica Breen South Dakota's new you campaign to combat meth race in my routes because the wording suggested that everyone in the state is using the drug new republic reporter Nick Martin took a different different analysis examining South Dakota's incarceration rate also an in-depth investigation of the Indian Health Service by the Wall Street Journal around that some doctors had criminal convictions and revoked medical licenses before they started work at Ihs. The story is pretty amazing. I'll give you a quick preview. One story involves the doctor who prescribed over one thousand oxycodone pills to her boyfriend. And there's a pet monkey involved but but I the native American Journalists Association is criticizing a recent article titled Drawn From Poverty. Art was supposed to save Canada's inuit it it hasn't the organization says the reporting has ethical breaches and harmful stereotypes joining us now graeme brewer. He is a board member of nausea and contributing contributing editor to high country news and Grandma's at citizen of the Cherokee nation. Welcome back to native America Calling Graham. Thanks for having me back. Yeah Yeah it's great to have you all right so tell us tell us more about this article well Essentially Catherine Puerto The New York Times reporter. Who I wrote? The story was trying to. I think Capture a sense of how art could or could not have Quote Unquote saved This issue at community caved or set From I think a lot of the stereotypical coverage that we have of Indian country. You Know Oh poverty plight that kind of You know struggle that is very common when non-native reporters parachute into Indian country And a lot of the people in the story when it was published felt like they were misrepresented that there were sections of their personal lives that were included that they that they didn't feel comfortable trouble with and didn't know we're going to be part of the story and I think ultimately played on a lot of Like I mentioned stereotype and miss if you if you take the Bingo card that that that that nausea and high country news put out Together it it's essentially a Bingo card that we created to show you if your stories full of stereotypes basically if you get a Bingo than than you. You're relying too much on on those stereotypes of myths To tell your narrative into rethink it and and and if you take this story and look at the Bingo card I mean it it's almost like a blackout so It hit a lot of a lot of the points on it and so is really problematic second and we decided that As an organization we needed to issue a statement and Try to you know. Speak to the New York Times about their coverage Because this is this is one story in a long line of a problematic coverage from the New York Times and It's it's especially important that we Have those discussions with them. Because you know we we call them. The paper of record they have an enormous influence. So so yeah we should first stateman on and most recently a second one. Yeah WanNa talk a little bit more about those statements but I can you give some specific examples of of stereotypes. That were the article that that really stood out to you. Yeah I mean you know even for me it Kinda starts even just with the imagery you know we start the peace with a very bleak Image of I mean. Don't get me wrong. I think the landscape. There's beautiful but I think to a lot of readers who aren't familiar with Cape Doors You're kind of setting this tone immediately that this is a place It's desolate and cold and dark and you know the the the main character the artist who the writer profiles most prominently. You know the very beginning of the story she is. She's portrayed as a victim and you know. Oh I think you know more importantly you know the story was supposed to be about her art and really pictures of her art in in the story. I don't I think there might have been one in the background of a photo for standing gaining an art gallery but Really are I think was what brought this reporter to the place in the for the two K.. Set in the first place You know uh-huh and there was really one sentence in that really really bothered me and it followed another one. That really bothered me. It was essentially something like that brutality. Never very far away way you know kind of making the case of the violence as an intrinsic part of this community But the sentence that really bothered me that immediate falls. That was that that you know that that kind of violence is what in poverty and plight has what has has been a his what has been a defining principle of what it means to be indigenous and they even use that word that phrasing it defines indigenous existence for so long for decades and and I think right off the bat. You're saying okay. Well these you know. These people live in a place where violence is everywhere. Poverty is everywhere and and They look to there to help them and it couldn't save them. I mean it was just A. It was a very problematic. Look at this community and I think if you look at the responses of the people she interviewed and the people who are from those communities you can see that they it definitely did not kill fairly represented in that coverage Graham. You've been a journalist for a long time. I'm sure you've encountered circumstances in the past past where a source in article confronted you and said I don't like the way you portrayed me or This isn't you know this isn't what I said or things like like that How do you handle things like that you know? I mean that. That definitely happened when I was a crime reporter people You you tell a lot of personal stories in this line of work and I think I think one of the ways to avoid doing that is very clear with your subjects What you're doing what you're writing You know one of the things that have been. Your Time's told us was that you know will the artist in the store. She she looked at the You know we can conferred with her before publication. She she said this was okay that the story was okay and of course she disputes that later in in an AP article where she said that you know that wasn't the case that she she didn't want a lot of those The pieces of her personal family struggle included in the story But I think it's important you know one of the things. AP The AP story says that you know that she wasn't given access to full text text of the story. And that I I would never advocate for that you can never give anyone Who Interview or as part of your coverage access to your store before fort pub with publishers? To give an okay. It's okay to ask them. If if these quotes are accurate if they remember this characterization or this scene or something the same way you do Those are okay. I would never advocate for giving the full text but She obviously felt like she wasn't represented. But you know that also makes me Kinda think of another important point. Is that you know in the past and the New York Times has done this kind of coverage and we we've spoken you know Privately with the reporters about about their stories. One of the things that that typically say. This isn't just indicative of in your trends. It's something that we hear a lot. It's that I I interviewed or the people interviewed the into just aren't they said it was great. They liked the story and I think it's important to remember that you know they. They probably like the sword because they felt like they weren't being listened to and you at this taper gave them a platform and they appreciate that but just because they're indigenous doesn't mean that they Understand the complexities complexities. And Nuances of ethical journalism and Indian country. And so I think when a group of Native Journalists V. Native American precision reaches out to you and says the things. I'm not a native person. I think it behooves you to listen and try to take that criticism In a way that will better your coverage on prevent you from doing harm because really. That's what this coverage can do. It can do harm. And so. That's that's why we you felt compelled to say something and when you reach out So you've actually issue to Press releases about this. After the first press release I understand. And you met with the New York Times Tell us about that Yeah you know they They reach out after if we would be willing to to. We'll have a sit down meeting with them and we are of course happy to do so. That was one of the goals with this. You know it's and and I think it's worth pointing out that The National Desk of the New York Times which is a different Part of the paper than than the than the reporters who wrote The Story About Cape Dorset. I'm I have trained. The national how the Report Art Wall in Indian country in an ethical and responsible way and and I was very pleased with the response the caliber of the questions And the Back and forth and the continued dialogue. That happened after that training. But the near times like a lot of other papers National papers is a very large organization has a lot of editors and a lot of reporters. And so unless you can get a large by in where you can get a whole lot of editors a lot of reports the majority of them to sit in on that training session. It's possible to train them in in things like this still happen and I think this is a good example of that But you know the meeting. We had with them. After we issued the the first pressure Ashley on on the story I felt went fairly well. You know they they They listened A of course defended their work and the reporters as they should and But they were also willing to Listen to our point of view and you know. I think one thing that we really tried to emphasize is that when you're reporting on indigenous communities or people or the things that they're dealing with in their lives you shouldn't look at it as I'm reporting about out indigenous people. You should look at it as as you were reporting for them You know it's it's no news to you that that our communities these are largely invisible by people who are non native and We are often undercover to misrepresented in the paper and so or in news coverage and so Just conversations are really important to have so I mean ultimately though you had to issue another response we did and that was after the. AP Article came out. The one I referenced earlier Where the artists she didn't feel represented? She's that that she did not approve the things that were in the story And very importantly she said that that Miss Porter reached out to her after the story was published Russian and she was receiving some backlash and told her that. You know this will help you help your art sell. And that's an ethical breach as a journalist and we take that very seriously nausea. And so that's why we were asking for an audit of the story. We'd like to understand not only how it was pitched and how it was edited and and how it was written in research but you know what other people had had looked at it after the story was done. You know these are all points of contact with the story where someone could have raised concerns. Probably gets back to a point. Oh hang on hang on one second Graham. We've got to go to a short break and talk to you more about this. If you're just joining us it's native America calling. It's our monthly news roundup. We are here live today. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. 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He is a board member of the need mic and Journalists Association and contributing editor to high country news and before the break we were talking about a New York. Times story that The native American Journalists Association has asked the New York Times to audits and also for them to suspend their indigenous coverage until they get more training and Graham right before the break I cut you off there. Go ahead and finish what you're saying. Oh Yeah I was just GonNa say that you know all those points of contact were that the story went through At The New York Times when it goes to their editorial process you know if if one of those people who had touched the story was indigenous. I think we might not be having this conversation right now and so really what I was getting at. Is that a point that I make constantly when people ask how can we improve our coverage of indigenous communities. I say higher indigenous reporters worse Yeah I mean I guess my question is that knowledge is not asking the New York Times to not report on on. You know some in some places very crippling poverty that we do have in Indian country but to report it in context is is that cracked. Yeah I think that's a good way to put it. You know I mean a common response that we get when we confront news organizations about. I'm coverage that we think is irresponsible responsible is okay. Well maybe we shouldn't cover these communities at all. Is that what you're saying. Of course that's not what we're saying you know We we want coverage of that in fact we we advocate for more coverage of indigenous communities all the time But it needs to be responsible. I one of the things that I think is a really good example in this the AP story worry about the New York. Times piece on set. Is that The New York Times piece referenced. How how the children were out late? riding their bikes well past bedtime In the neighborhood and in the story pointed out well you know in in in a community where the time of the year when the sun is up. Twenty four hours. There's a day and it's there's no school in session. What time is bedtime for children? You know what I mean these are these are cultural divides the it if you had hired indigent uh-huh digits person from that community and and I'm not saying that there's a lot of journalists and percent but you know there are lots of first nations journalists and candidate that that can cover these Issues well and no those nuances and complexities about those communities. That outsiders don't you know there's a benefit to hiring someone from within to cover that plays uh-huh well Graham. We will definitely keep an eye on this especially if The New York Times I Dunno gets back to you about it. We did reach out to the New York Times and They sent us a lengthy comment. which we've got on our website native America calling dot com but they said specifically? Our correspondent spawned Kathryn Porter. Spent weeks in Cape Dorset for the specific purpose of finding out and understanding what life is like for people there. The issues that we recount recount came up repeatedly in the lives of the people we interviewed and profiled they were frequently raised by members of Cape The caped or set community as significant persistent challenges. That they wanted solved. And you can read The full comment at like I said on our website at Nina America calling dot com career. We're going to let you go but before we let you go what else you got cooking at high country news. I'm also have a lucky file on congressman. Mike Wayne Mola also a member of my nation and one of the four tribal citizens in in Congress. Right now And it's about him his career and charity identity. And what that means here in Oklahoma and what it means in Congress as well so we're working on it for about a year now so I'm looking forward to. Oh Wow fat coming up and we'll see all right great and I've got a link to high country news on our website Graham. Thanks so much for joining us. It's always great to hear from you. All right let's head to our next Article joining us now is Christopher Weaver. He's a reporter for the Wall Street attornal and he writes about the business of healthcare. Welcome to native America Calling Christopher. It's great all right. So I- briefly in the intro. I mentioned this article that Just recently came out and it's actually part of A number of articles that the Wall Street Journal is doing really examining Some serious things that are going on at the Indian Health Service. Tell us about this this particular piece. Yeah so this so as you point out we've been writing stories about the Indian Health Service going back to three years now and This one examined something sort of a trend that we kept seeing anecdotally throughout our coverage. which is that the Indian Health Service has a tendency to hire doctors who are having trouble? We'll find you to work elsewhere and allow them to take care of patients at its solidifies. this is troubling for a lot of reasons We we you know recognize that there are some challenges to recruitment in rural areas the IRS like other rural healthcare providers grapples with those but we kept seeing sometimes in ways that seem so extreme as to be almost impossible and we wanted to try to find a way to attempt to quantify. Hey how much of the time this is happening. And what we wound up doing was looking at a subset of doctors who were involved in now. Practice claims that the government settled or had judged against it in federal court and then we looked into each of those doctors past the doctors who are involved in those claims and tried to identify whether or not they had any records in their professional histories. Like a bunch of prior malpractice claims or action professional licensing boards and things like that that might have limited our options finding jobs. Yeah and so It was about one hundred and seventy six claims that you take took a look at. Is that right well so what we did we. We looked at one hundred sixty three claims that the where the government paid out money after somebody about practice at the IHS those claims age in the court records for those claims. We had done one hundred fifty. What doctors working for the agency at the time the claim and then we look into each of those one hundred seventy one doctors and found that one in four of had something in their past again prior malpractice claims Advert actions by licensing boards. Like I dunno no not revoked or suspended license this or some other issue that by the IHS guidelines raised red flags before they were ever allowed to treat patients. I mean how common is it for doctors to have something. Either against their licenser have a malpractice claim against them I mean from my understanding. You know there's libel suits are supposedly happening all the time and that's why malpractice insurance is so high and and those kind of scenarios. Yeah so it's not uncommon for Dr Al Tracksuit at some point in their career. We talked to a number of insurance actuaries about this us. And they said that what they what they base the rates on some speed assumption that the average typical doctor would have about one claim whatnot practice lawsuit every twenty years. or so. And that. For high risk specialties like surgery And obstetricians who get sued more often that the rate would be about it double that maybe two claims every twenty years or so so there's some baseline that I think you know the the broader medical community accepts what we were finding with that you know in some of the more extreme as the IHS hiring doctors who had things like you know eleven malpractice suits suits over a six or eight year period You know in one case there was a doctor who had a dozen malpractice suits and had been accused a sexually assaulting a patient And that was all before they were hired by h s right before he was hired by. IHS got even though he was acquitted in the criminal investigation of the sexual abuse allegation. I just mentioned but the licensing boards actually required him to have a female chaperone anytime treated female patients for years afterwards actually the IHS Dot which we know because they actually appeal to the medical okay board on his behalf basically vouching for him when he tried to get the restrictions on the practice lifted? So how did you get this information information. Well we used you know basically the instead of reporting techniques that are available to us we talk to a lot of people we've scrounged through documents including up licensing records many of which we had to make public records request for and Yeah most tediously we had you know about practice suits against the IHS are adjudicated federal courts. That are easy to find. Because there's a single fifty that covers federal court through look records online but most now practiced suits outside of that system are filed and adjudicated at the okay level which means go into county court sometimes in person sometimes by telephone or by and You know digging through you know years and years of records for like I said a hundred and fifty one different providers and so Can you I referenced this one story that really stood out out to me when I read the Article About this one doctor who had prescribed thirteen hundred oxycodone pills in one day Tell us about this. Yeah so there was an emergency room. Doctor who was hired The back in twenty twelve to the ship rock. IHS hospital that's in the Navajo area and She was Could be official name of the hospital but offer ordered Abajo Medical Center They had been shortened yard doctor. And they were facing the gaps in the schedule as the holidays approached Coming into December of twenty twelve. And they wanted to bring a doctor back onto the staff she'd worked at another another. IHS disability before but since then it had some licensing board actions against her where she was basically caught prescribe. I been watched volumes of Oxycodone Oxycontin to a man that at the time she said with her boyfriend and This is obviously not something that doctors are expected. Or you know allow to do and The board had restricted her license. Saying that she couldn't provide You couldn't write prescriptions. The people she had personal relationships with you know find her some money and relayed the information to other boards because he was licensed in multiple states. What what the? IHS wound up deciding. was that even though their policies say you can't hire doctors have restricted licenses Because because she had a clean license and one of the three states where she was licensed physician they figured on the strength of that one clean life they could ignore sanctions from the other other two states and bring her out anyhow they did and You know subsequently was a little bit of a fiasco because subsequently subsequently there was a DA hearing while she was working there in which You know she tried to explain away. Some of the prescribing by stadium that a boyfriends her boyfriend's pet monkey had thrown You know several bottles of pills in the pool and that was why she had to write multiple prescriptions for. I think it was like four hundred and fifty separate pills of oxycodone on the same day. Anyway thank working there for do they buy that no the You know that was something that came out of it administrative judge proceeded and the DA. Eventually early in the face of a series of appeals ended up not renewing her Certificate to prescribe controlled substances. Wow Yeah yeah I know she was working at the chest and then You know a little bit down the road she wound up having a case. Where A Ah Yeah had come into the hospital with a headache and some other symptoms. That are sort of matter of dispute and she basically sent him home with. Ah Conjunctiva are pink eye and Then within a week he'd had a major stroke and has had innocent spent spend some brain damage and debilitated injuries. And he's now in a wheelchair in can't talk and types out his His Communications on a cell phone and I look the the other doctors at the hospital at the time. You know. We're not one hundred percent convinced that You know at the diagnosis that she made well. Obviously wrong was necessarily negligent. Winter Pass began to spill out. They concluded that it would be very difficult to defender. The government eventually settled the case for a million dollars. You actually interviewed some of the patients who are affected by these doctors in this Were they were they willing to talk to you about you know opie open about the situation. Yeah you know I think you know. Ah Sort of always the keith interviewing you know patients who are affected by adverse issues throughout the health system. I think you know. They were obviously much more aware aware of their own situation than they were the broader pattern that we were looking at That said you know I think they were universally you know open about you know the issues that they had faced and I think they were generally motivated to Kinda help shed some light on an issue that I think is pretty. You know it's pretty widely talked about amongst the communities of people and that the IHS serves. which is that you know they? You know hear stories stories secondhand or even firsthand of these kinds of issues cropping up over the years and you know some level is one patient told me she she. She wasn't surprised when you know what happened to her let's take a quick call. We've got Mike in Albuquerque tuned in on K.. UNM He either Mike. Good Morning My home from Who Nation new stuff in but They're we're talking about and your subject is is not nothing new. It's been it's been happening on one a long time and Within within about the last five years so we had a problem with the doctor that he used to work at forty five team was escorted all nation by security and stuff and he'd be like twenty five plus years. Here's a working there and working with emergency medical services. We kinda questioned. Why he was filming through the Church? It's in picking out certain Female patients and we kinda questioning reported with nothing was done and it's been a no one knowing subject for a long time when when they should whether sorry to be a school and stuff a lot of doctors I also authorization. It's a safe haven for them to come out to the neighboring nation and apply and get in gaining employment after I would just wanted sure. They're coming. Yeah Mike thanks so much we appreciate you giving us a call and it. Christopher we're just about to go to break do you think that this issue is Has To do with lack of clarity about who can get hired an in an unclear policy. Well I you know I think to make the point you know. We recognize that this issue and other challenges that the IHS spaces are running ones and you know. Part of the problem is is just money You know I think the agency is working with fewer resources than it probably needs to deliver the best healthcare But I think part of it is a fixable a smaller level right I mean part of it is just having the WILCO. Not You know when you have to choose between having a vacancy and having somebody who in their past has some potentially serious issues too so you know going back to square one and trying to find someone better. And I think you know there's areas where they can policies could be clarified and they said when we oh you know when we asked the. IHS comment about You know our findings in this reporting that in fact they didn't have to clarify some of those policies. And you know. Hopefully we'll see some benefit from that. Yeah we're going to go to a short break we did reach out to IHS. I'll let you know what they said. 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Clinicians some of the recent changes we've made include establishing the first time an agency wide quality office of quality and they also said Ihs we are taking steps to ensure that our system is composed of robust processes. Is that will deliver high quality care. And we've got a link to The article we were talking about on our website need America calling dot com On Tuesday president trump signed an executive order establishing a task force on missing and murdered American Indians and Alaskan natives it will be called Operation Russian Lady Justice and will quote develop an aggressive government wide strategy to end this terrible situation which active with share giles. She's the chairwoman of the national indigenous. Women's Resource Center definitely thought. It was a step in the right direction. You know. There's things that we have been advocating for across Indian country for a number of years So at least we got some traction in that direction so if yet to be seen how this will all roll out and how how the process will be beneficial to Indian country. But I definitely think it's a step in the right direction You just never quite know what these things how they will turn Out But it's a hopeful sign was anything that raised a red flag for you or things that you're concerned about in regards to to the president's new task force. I mean it seemed like it was it was a surprise to me that it came out and and then The tribal leadership that was available that was there to attend so just always that always raises a little question to say okay. Who's WHO's at the table? Oh who's the advisors in the again are. Is there any real teeth to what's going to happen and making sure that all voices across Indian country are heard i. I know there's already been some conversation around that. LGBT community and Being heard is the man's voice being heard in this So really being representative of all of Indian country but the overall epidemic of missing and murdered indigenous women and making sure that their voices are heard. I know in this national work. It's always important that those families and the grassroots advocates those on the ground that their voices and their concerns are which truly her because sometimes it gets lost in in that conversation or in legislation or just even tribal politics themselves as well but making sure. Hey that we're talking to those families that have been affected that we're talking to those communities that have been affected And that we're talking to everyone involved And not just always at the top so making sure all those voices are heard urge so Again it yet to be to be seen how all this will shake out. But I think they're still waiting for a lot of conversation. And and I think the advocates across Indian country are making sure that that they are reaching out to tribal leadership that was there an attendant Kind of getting more information making sure that we're providing information that that has been done across Indian country and the work that has been done and making sure we're connecting those families as well Tom. That was shared Giles from the National Indigenous Women's Resource Center and just a note of disclosure N. W. W. R. C. has been a financial angel sponsor of Native America. Calling in the past right joining us now is Nick Martin. He's a reporter for the New Republic and he is supposedly welcome. Welcome to native America Calling Nick. Thank you for having me again. I since the last time we talked to you you are have moved over to the new republic. Yeah it's a switch. That was slowly a few months in the making They were putting together. You know just hiring a bit of a larger Roger Staff and I convinced them to make me a part of it and to not only do that but have me cover native indigenous issues. And I'm about three Monson and it's been pretty great so far so I'm very happy and and again I really appreciate Y'all having miata absolutely okay. Let's talk about Meth. Where on it I briefly mentioned this in the Intro But if you're just joining us. South Dakota rolled out a new Meth Awareness Ernest campaign. And the it was pictures of all kinds of folks from South Dakota and it said things like math. I'm on it or Meth. We're on it and I guess the idea was to imply like we're dealing with this problem. But lots of folks kind of took it as this old cowboy saying he's doing math What was your thoughts initially? Yeah I mean initially I think it was like most other peoples in that you Kinda got a little bit of chuckle out of it. I mean these kind of public awareness. Campaigns You know sometimes they work. Sometimes you know sitting Miss Right and you from the armchair it's easy to criticise and all that. But I think for me it kind of obstruct a little bit of a different nerve because it You know it made me think a little bit more about this opioid crisis that we've seen a lot of rural communities And a lot of rural communities I. It's been something that we're we're able to talk about the problem but our solutions continue to be something. That are more punitive. We tend to want to throw people in jail. And that's been South Dakota's The government's response for the past few years and that is reflected in in their You know they're jailing their imprisonment rates and their arrest records and it's even more skewed towards the native citizens That that live up there. So that's where I kind of took the ball and ran with it for my column on it Yeah it's just a matter of you know this is a framing. I I'm glad that they're addressing openly and trying to you know bring awareness to the issue in a way that is more inclusive to But I think that the the campaign itself you know however you want to make loans over how much money was spent on whatever. That's just how those campaigns things go but I think it's more about like what South Dakota's prison population looks like and it's heavily skewed towards Being imbalanced against the native peoples. Yeah if you saw that if you live in South Dakota and you want to comment on that campaign Give us the call. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. There's still time we can squeeze you in The thing that stood out for me Your your essay was called locking people up South Dakota's on it and I just pulled this one quote South Dakota arrest juvenile's at a rate double the national average and twenty five percent higher than the the next closest states of those arrested children. One in five sent away on drug related charges and in fact half of all arrests in the state are for for drugs compared to twenty nine percent nationally. That's those are some pretty stunning numbers. Nick Yeah I mean they are in. It's something thing that and that's where I think is almost When you I try to obviously make the racial disparities very clear in that piece but when you look at what's happening I mean at that point when you're doing that purdue and obviously juvenile in other juvenile is more skewed towards native kids but even still like whether it's wet white black native Hispanic whoever I mean you're talking about basically a pipeline program into these These he's prisons. Because once you get an arrest on your record that really Kinda we know we've seen enough national and local studies to say like what that does to kids. When you tend to bring a hammer down on them rather than rehabilitate And Refocus and do it not just from top and this is something like your last guest. That's what they like w crisis I mean. It doesn't need to be a top down approach. It should be something that's built from these communities that are dealing with these issues every day. It shouldn't be something where you need The state or federal government to come in and tell you how to do it like these local communities know the problems that they're facing and they should be the ones that are giving the keys the power you're responding to it. Let's talk about another article that you wrote. Republican time-wasting is killing native women. That's a bold statement. Yeah and that one. I mean that comes from last year I'd done some reporting around Savannahs Act and we are actually able to just I gets long story short You Know Savannah's act was out there to try to bridge some of the gaps that exist in between The jurisdictions why boy there's a police Local county police and federal officials and the the bill ended up not passing in Congress of because because of a House Republican who was on his way out and he held up the bill after it cleared the Senate unanimously would never never almost never happens in this Political atmosphere so but Savannah Zach aims to help at native and indigenous women in on this continent like it was so close to passing into the last minute they kind of came in and stopped it and then a new congressional session happens that we have to start the process all over again and and it's just this this matter of trying the issue at hand there was that they didn't want any sort of punitive measures In the bill where it said like if law enforcement didn't comply with the bill that they would You know whether it would affect their standing for future grants and stuff like that. Just kind kind of promote Adherence to the bill. And and make sure that everybody's working together to solve this crisis and so it's just another kind of thing where we last last week. We Got Joni. Ernst is a Republican senator from Iowa. We've got her version of the violence against women and it just cut out a lot of the a really crucial You know measures for tribal sovereignty and also just for You know like the boyfriend loop where it restricts tricks gun sales For people who may not might not be married or in a domestic partnership legally but are still living together I mean there's just a lot of problems with it and so I kinda wanted to just take a step back and say that when you talk to people when you talk to. Politicians Republican Democrat independent doesn't matter everybody recognizes that. This is a major problem that that both domestic violence and the W crisis are like two separate but also kind of interlinked Major issues man. So the idea that we're not getting solved like we can. I don't like to make I don't always like like to make things partisan but it is fairly clear who is more serious about cracking down on these issues in a way that is helpful for the the the people for the victims and for the future victims. And you know I just I write about politics every day. So yeah it takes a lot to Kinda get worked up about Out something But this was nothing like this is the same thing we saw. Last December and savannahs still hasn't been passed Through both chambers and signed by the president. Yeah Yeah so I. It's I mean it's frustrating but hopefully we're moving in the right direction with these recent acts by the attorney general and the president. Yeah that's what I was GonNa say though I mean doesn't this just recent act executive order from the president. Sort of cancel out. What you what what you were saying Because it's this administration that's that's putting together a task force right. Yeah I think that I think it tant right. Like I think that in theory it could cancel out what I'm writing there but so much of this and as your previous guest dated like some says this is we have to kind of wait and see our because the the main thing about why semantic cancelled issues because they wanted to take the teeth out of it. They didn't want there to actually be any sort of Punishment or retribution for law enforcement agencies. That aren't Corresponding or reporting properly reporting. I mean that's a major issue across the board like the East Coast West Coast like we've seen that repeatedly when it comes to these kind of cases and and so. I think that you know it's kind of A. We're in a wait and see pattern but I know that a lot of this And as we also said You know so much of this has been it when you look at the I think it's it might some either seven or eight states have passed similar kind of task force bills but when you look at it All of that has been grassroot that it's built on these grassroots community. Efforts is built by the families affected by it. And so I think think that'll be important to see You know whether this is just kind of something tall something to assuage the concerns or if this is actual real real real action and if it is then there's nothing there's really nothing more to say than That's good but this is again a wait and see kind of a thing. I think at this point all right well right before the end your latest piece Thanksgiving is another reminder of what America forgot. Tell us about that. Yeah I mean this is Kinda came from a place of yeah. I grew up going to public school in North Carolina. Where my brother and I were the only native kids and are kind of rural? You know elementary middle school. High School the whole K.. Twelve experience and they just came from a place of I always felt very historic sized whenever I heard Native people discussing my classes. It was nothing like I think the latest that we ever learned about anything was either. They're like the allotment act or maybe Like wounded knee. And that's it you know it's like everything nothing happened to. We haven't done anything since then. And it's like no like we've still out here surviving thriving And my my the piece was more just a I think a criticism of the American public education system as it kind of because. That's where people I mean the unless you go to college and become a native studies major. You're never going to hear hear about that stuff really ever again. If you're not from a native community and as much as I wish it weren't true people outside of the native community control role so much of what affects the native community in America. And I think just crucial for us to You know we have to take control control of the our services and You know what education healthcare whatever but the same time. It's it's long past time for America to kind of course correct doc. And reckon with its history Thanksgiving ambience so that's where that piece got escape from. Yeah you're right. Americans have barely moved an inch when it comes to demanding an accurate historical or contemporary view of native people be taught in public schools. Well we'll have to leave it there. Nick thanks so much for joining US really appreciate it. Thank you all again for having me so much and also thanks to grant brewer Christopher Weaver and share Giles Rebecca on Monday with the conversation for World AIDS Day. I'm senior producer. 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"From npr wbz chicago. This is wait. Wait don't tell me the npr news quiz. I'm the man who will subsidize your crops this year. I'm bob farm bill bill kurtis. And here's your host a native of the garden state. Who still thinks that means gardens or where you grow asphalt. Peter sago you bill. It is spring at long last. And it's so exciting. After being stuck inside all winter staring at the snow to be stuck inside staring at the mud. It's the cycle of life so we thought we'd plant some fertile material from recent shows and see what grows for example musician. John batiste the bandleader for late. Night with stephen. Colbert was recently nominated for an oscar. We're not saying it's because he appeared on this show in two thousand eighteen but we are not saying it's not guest. host fades sailly. Ask him to confirm a wild rumor that he made his new york debut playing in the subway. Oh my goodness you. You heard the news one. Tell us about that. Well we went to juilliard and we would. They're studying and you know really really trying to come up with a sound as a band and One day we were eating in a diner. And we were talking about how everybody plays juilliard orchestra or you play and these really really falutin places and we were like. How do we play for people who may not have the money or the access or may not ever think to go and see a concert at carnegie hall something like oh so we literally just took instruments and went down into the subway from diner. And that's summer. We must played in the subway every day almost of that entire month. Wow and we for people for free. We didn't ask any money. We were like buskers. That come into your subway card except we play like a thirty minute concert and we wouldn't ask you so then after that people were like. Wow these guys are pretty good and they started coming to our shows and from there you know. We started going on tour around the world from playing on the subways in new york city. You said you did this in the summertime in new york city. It's super hot on the sunway. Goodness imagine carrying the to sure the subway writers appreciated your your music. But how did the cops feel about it. Well oh my goodness we had a police officer. Come to us in the middle of what we call a love riot. And this is you know it it. It's called love right because from the outside it can resemble a riot like it was two hundred. People literally blocking the street and policemen had to come on horseback to unblock the street from this impromptu concert that we'd started someone east village and one of the police officers came to us and was like you know y'all could just keep going. This is amazing. You call you do social music right. That's right that's right. You're trying to connect with audiences kind of anywhere absolutely music without borders. It's you gotta get where where people can feel a part of the experience and then not just spectators but before you can do that. Don't you always have to have an instrument on you. I i play piano primarily. And i started on drums. And you know. Those instruments aren't really that portable. So i started playing the harmonica board harmon aboard. Yes it's a or melody. Hornet has different names But it's like a harmonica keyboard put together. Do you always have a lotta on you. I took that thing around my goodness when i went to julie carry it around everywhere and the teachers hated. Pay second children's party favor exactly. Do you have one on you now john. You know i'm in my dressing room. And guess what i do way. Do you mind just letting everybody here. How little melodic sounds. Oh yeah i'll give it a little too let me For that you grew up in kenan louisiana into a family of musicians. Yes was there ever a moment in your life rethought. You might not be a musician. Basically my whole life until i was one literally. It's almost as if when i went into music mode. It was this alternate universe. And i would step in and out of it and the thing that was interesting about growing up in cana is it's right outside of new orleans. It's a really small town and it's a suburb. Would do regular kids stuff. I play basketball had tennis lessons. I love playing chess. You know just like regular stuff. And then i'll go and play with like a literal jazz legend at night in new orleans and then i have to go to school in the morning so it was like a wild juxtaposition but then when i was seventeen and i moved to new york and i started my own band in new york and i was playing gigs and i was looking around. I was like i'm really like professional musician. John i just have a quick question about scouting. can you get. I love here that well. Thank you my little kids. And they're in a jazz class. A jazz at lincoln center class in which in the jazz band encourage them to scatter. And i just feel like this is reckless encouragement for little white kids. Because it's genetic wheelhouse. How do you feel about tests. I loved it is their pin day. Way to define scat. Scattered is really. It's it's just making the sound or imitating the sound of an instrument with your voice so like if you try to do something that saxophone would play with your voice. If my by all well i will. I will then encourage my children. If say it's okay should definitely do in the house john. Not we're so excited to talk to you and now it's time to play a game. We're calling stay human. No sit human banned human. We're going to ask you about something. Very une human. Our new robot answer two out of three questions about our robot masters right and you win our prize for one of our listeners. Bill whom is john. Batiste playing for tyler reading of los angeles california all right john. Here's your first question. When are robots rise up and murderer us. They'll have good reason which of these job formerly done by a human that we now make a robot. Do a the fido bought a tiny robot that follows around with little baggies. So you don't have to be the mo a robot that painstakingly edits out. I'll have more raucous thousands of wrong guesses on this show. See the robot a robotic rectum. Used to help doctors trained to give exams. Maybe it is I'd have to go with wait. Wait go say again. Let me hear you these. These people are rectum. Hungry you go. It is the robot you are correct. John in rt a rectal teaching assistant. I'm sorry i had to be the one to tell you. This exists until twenty sixteen. They used a human volunteer his job. That guy service. I've from that. I think they browns slip. Here's your next question to make. Sure robots us humans one robot assist has created what a robot made in tirlian memory foam. So it's always ready for a cuddle. A robot that repeatedly punches a human in the arm to help robots learn exactly. What does hurt a human so they can avoid it or see a lifelike human replica. Robots can murder when they're having urges. Oh my goodness so. Definitely a the memory foam cutler role by our what that ask that john batiste but sorry no. The answer is b. the puncher. How can you be expected not to cross the line if you don't know where the line is so we're training robots to punch us off all right chanu that robot or you might end up taking over the world. Here's your last question. You can still win this someday. Robots will dominate us in every physical task. But for now they're helping us which of these is a real robot helping athletes a d. tomato in a tiny robot that sits on your shoulders and helps fight fatigue by feeding tomatoes. As you run or tomatoes. Be the thai baht. It ties and untie your shoelaces for you or see. The gator aid a robot that runs in front of you to scare any alligators. That might be in your path. That go-to tomato does that tough john. Avery real thing. It is hilarious video and this is true. There's a smaller version called the petite tomato sandwich. We guess feel cherry tomatoes out. John petit's do on our quiz john. You scattered your way to a win. Food is the bandleader for the emmy nominated late. Show with stephen colbert. His new album. Hollywood africans is out september twenty eighth and the first single. Don't stop came out friday. John batiste thank you so much for joining us on wait wait. Don't tell me fat now. When we come back here comes the bride but from where exactly and the great allie wong on the sudden change in demand for her services. That's when we come back in a minute with more wait wait. Don't tell me from. Npr support for npr. In the following message comes from sitka salmon shares. A community supported fishery delivering traceable. Wild caught alaska seafood. Since two thousand eleven members receive a monthly share of the catch responsibly. Caught by small boat fishermen meticulously handled for fresh from the ocean flavor. Meet the fishermen browse recipes and shop. Wild caught alaska seafood at sitka. Salmon shares dot com slash. Wait on npr's pop culture. Happy hour podcast. We talk about tv movies and more like the new marvel disney plus series falcon and the winter soldier and a definitive ranking of the best. Muppets all of that. And around twenty minutes every weekday. Listen now the pop culture. Happy hour podcast from npr from npr and wbz chicago. This is wait wait. Don't tell me the pr news quiz. I'm bill curtis and here is your host to each spring hopes irrationally for his hair to grow back peter's sale. Thank you bill. While via out convincing ourselves that this is the year. we'll get that flower bed planted. We thought we'd share with us. Some good material we have harvested in years past now. One of the new developments over the last few years is the viral news story. Something that starts small but spreads all over due to how much people love it media. But i was a lad going viral. Meant you had the pox and had to be bled by your local barber now. Back in may of two thousand eighteen. A particular wedding announcement went viral. So we thought we'd make up to others just to have a complete set. Hi you're on wait wait. Don't tell me oh my gosh hi. Sorry okay. A little nervous to talk to you as well. My name is sarah brinker. And i am from effingham illinois him. I've never been there. I have always assumed being from this part of illinois that it got named when somebody said that place that f. and If you're coming down you're gonna see a big old car along the way you founded the big old cross anything ham known of course as the big effing cross sarah nice with us. You're gonna play a game which you misprinted. Tell truth from fiction. Phil what is sarah's topic. Here comes the bragg newspaper wedding announcements for when you're in love and you need random strangers to know where you went to college. Well we read a really interesting wedding announcement from a newspaper that went viral this week. And we thought we would share it with you. Each of our panels are going to show you announced. Only one of them is real kick that real one and you will win are prize ready to play. Snap okay here. We go first. Let's hear from alonzo boden from the oklahoma daily parents. Liz wilson wainwright are proud to announce the wedding of their daughter eliza wainwright unfairly snub gymnasts from the two thousand olympic trials winner of gold medal in balance beam and uneven parallel bar at oklahoma state championship in two thousand seven member of ncaa. Silver medal winnings gymnastics team at oklahoma state where she was on a full athletic scholarship after graduating from the distinguish tate. High school with a three point nine. Gpa while simultaneously graduating from libertyville gymnastics academy as a gold medal winner in three or four disciplines. Her groom luis. Camacho is a six foot one hundred eighty nine pound cornerback with a four point. Two forty time and thirty. Eight inch vertical leap. Who is now playing for the arena. Football league's washington valor after a career with the cf elsa scotch juan rough riders and a brief stint with the nfl detroit lions. Who cut him as if they could do better i. The lines really was drafted by the lions at the three years at oklahoma state where he probably should have stayed one more year and moved up to the first round which would have been more guaranteed money. Meanwhile the lions went four and twelve right after so. It looks like they'll be missing the playoffs and the wedding. We wish the couple love happiness and an injury free future in coaching. Once their playing careers have ended. Get married your next story of to love. Condensed into one paragraph comes from helen hall from the palm beach post the bride a graduate of the face school and miss porter school graduated from georgetown university. She is a member of the daughters of the colonial. Wars the society of the friends of st george's and descendants of the knights of the garter and the metropolitan club in washington dc. She descended from the french count. Guarini demetz and the english baron full k. fits warren who was magna carta. They were the subjects of the famous thirteenth century manuscript. The romance of full k. fits worry. She was presented to society at the infirmary ball. An international debutante ball in new york city bachelor's castilian in baltimore queen charlotte's ball in london and was chosen to represent the united states at the opera ball in vienna austria. She is director of the spam museum in minnesota risky. We've deep roots in the runs. The spam museum in minnesota story of someone announcing their impending matrimony comes from janelle james from the new york times rafferty m grant a direct descendant of robert l. e. and lulu gersh. A new york socialite in areas to the luhrmann. Yoga pants empire are to be wed on may twenty six. The couple met while engaging in a shared passion civil war reenactments. It was love at first light. For mr grant. He said when he spotted miss gertz charging towards him. With a giant foam bayonet after a rousing battle on the field. The pair engaged in lively debate for and against the merits of slavery after the ceremony which will be held at the stately. Drayton plantation the couple plants honeymoon by reenacting the battle of fort. Sumner one on one and staying at a south carolina hotel in the romantic and burns. Fantasy suite is a real wedding announcement that it appeared newsprint that we saw this week wasn't from alonzo wedding in oklahoma between two athletes who wanted the world to know that they were better than the world. New from helen. Hong a woman with extraordinary deep roots in american and european aristocracy. Who now works as the director of the spam museum in austin minnesota and from john james civil war reenactor who met and fell in love on the battlefield. One of those was real wedding announced what we saw on the news. Which do you think it was. Oh my lanta lanta. Strange ways down in effingham i think. Helen sold me her story. I'm gonna go telling hong kong story of the remarkable aristocratic young lady who ended up reading the spam museum in austin. That's your choice confident. Well we spoke to somebody about this very real wedding announcement this young woman with an incredibly long pedigree certainly long drawn and she has a job working for the spam museum. John society palm beach daily news for thirty years. The marriage of one seville lowered the aristocrat who runs the spam museum in austin minnesota. Congratulations are you got it right. I should say this a lot of attention for the reasons that you can tell and in reaction to the spam museum of austin minnesota says they're very proud of their director in the invite everyone to visit to learn everything they've ever wanted to know about. Spam congratulations sir. You've earned a point for helen. One are prize the voice of anyone from our show and your voice mail. Yeah baby thanks. Here's something else that exploded over social media the career of comedian along. It was a netflix up. Special that everybody was talking about that made her a star almost overnight as she told us when she joined us in december of twenty. Nine thousand nine. I mean it's a true story that when i warmed up for my special in my hometown san francisco i did. Four shows up this comedy club. That was a four hundred seater. And i couldn't sell it out. So they had to put my tickets up on group on a real and they yes. It was so depressing. I was pregnant and my friends were like. I thought tickets. You're sean group on. You saw like a cool thing So and then the moment i knew that my life had changed was when i put shows up for sale at the same comedy club and they sold out in two minutes and went on the secondary scalper market for a thousand dollars a piece. Wow i love the special. But i was trying to figure out exactly why became such a sensation d. Do you have any idea what it was. It was funny. I'd like to know of course but really know all right here to that one. I actually started looking at what people thought of it. And one of the things seem to be that it was amazing to see a woman talk so hilariously graphically about various women's bodily functions and. Yeah i get like. I think i'm always fascinated by how our body constantly betrays us mystifies. Us and my dad was a doctor so we always talk about those things very openly we. It was never like. Don't talk about at the dinner table. Because that was his life. I mean like wasn't who he was an anesthesiologist rank. Yes if all of a sudden he's dealing with poo at the wrong end probably and you've written a book called a deer girls. It's daughters including the daughter. You were pregnant with during the special right. How how. She's four years old and she's very aware that she was the one in the strike dress. Really and nicky her. Yeah she's like. I'm on strike jets and nikki's and matete address run only when you were pregnant with your daughter and everyone keeps asking me if i'm going to be pregnant for every single stand up special and like that is not a sustainable career strategy. What am i gonna get pregnant like nine time and i write in my book about how. There's a lot of guys you know who has some weird resentment and they'll say to me like oh allie. You're so lucky you get all this attention because you're both of female and minority and i'm like yeah 'cause you know historically that's always been the winning combo i'm tired of you know you know me. You're so lucky me. I'm just another white guy i'm like. Why don't you be a better white guy. Funny white guy. You've written this book. It's called dear girls. It's gotten a lot of acclaim deservedly. So and you say in the introduction. This is a letter to your daughters. Who were as we heard very young. And you say. I don't want you to read this till you're twenty one and then you show what you mean by that by writing very frankly about very adult issues including your own. Shall we say romantic history. Yeah you know they're not gonna wait 'til they're twenty one to read it. You know this right now. Oh god i don't want to think about that. All i want to think about audie training them and you know teaching them not to bite people and stuff like that. You know the thing that. I'm most barris about that. I wrote is i wrote a chapter. About how crazy was in my teenage years. And i lifted all the terrible things i did. One of the things. I did was shoplifting. And i think that's the thing. I'm like most embarrassed about you. Know not all the Men i slept with. I think i'm like okay. Whatever that's fine. But i really like embarrassing unethical. So that's the thing. So how will you handle it if your daughter shoplift and they open up the book and they're like hey mom you did it my god right now. I'm just focused on keeping them alive guy. Okay we we heard that. Your dress from baby cobra is in the smithsonian. They'll have to send it to them. They ask for it. And i was like well. You can have it. And i was like you know you better send me a prepaid shipping label. Really you got to call for this you get a call from the smithsonian institution's and we want the dress you wore in your standup special because it was so amazing and seminal important of your like who's paying the shipping cow. Well allie one. We are delighted to talk to you. We've invited you here to play a game. We're calling girls meet dear girls. You wrote a book intended for your daughters as we discuss called dear girl. So we thought we'd ask you three questions about dear girls that is does. I didn't warn you. Allie answer to questions right. You want to price one of our listeners. Bill who was allie one playing for the shell ryan alexandria. Virginia all right you ready for this eight. Yeah all right. Here's your first question. Perhaps the most famous female deer of course was bombies mother. What happened to the young man who way back when provided the voice of bambi was it a. He became a decorated combat. Marine who spent his career terrified his secret past would be discovered be. He grew up to be famed character. Actor charles bronson or see. He was ironically and tragically gored to death by a deer man. It's definitely not see because we would all know about that. that's true. ooh. I'm gonna go with new a that. He became a decorated combat. Marine closeted bambi voice. That's exactly right. Wow donnie again. His name he spent his career in the marines. A drill sergeant and as a combat vet in vietnam. He was constantly terrified. His fellow marines would find out about his childhood acting and start calling him major bambi. Here's your next question as bambi. The movie proved. Life isn't always kind to dear girls. And that was w of the one that ran into canadian. Explorer francis. Wharton way back when why what happened. A warton who was toothless killed the deer made dentures out of its teeth and then eight the deer with its own teeth. He desperately wanted a dog so he forced to learn to sit up and fetch or see he married it. Oh man Desperately wanted a dog. You get a job. You've got to train a deer. That's all right. I might actually go with b. b. desperately one of the dogs. So he forced it to learn to fetch. Yeah no. I'm afraid it was actually a tough guy. Very terrible thing to eat an animal with its own. But he did it. That would have taught the marine. What bad ass. I know that was literally the meanest thing ever done in canada. All right last question right allie. You can win it all here. We go in october just this last year in october of twenty thousand women hit a deer with her car in ohio and police who arrived at the scene had a lot to investigate why the woman eager to avoid a dui insisted that the deer had been driving me. They thought the woman was terribly injured but she was just covered in blood for her halloween costume. She was going as carry at the prom or see. The woman hit the deer after taking a wrong turn into a corn maze and got lost be. You're right it's being right found deer car and this woman covered in blood and they were calling the emt's and she's like no no no no. I'm fine. I'm just carry see like the promising. That's what happened. Bill elliott doing our quiz alley answered two of the three correctly. Which is a win for us. Alley ones new book. Dear girls is out now. Her specials are available on netflixif. And you can find out where. She's touring at allie dot com alley. Wong thank you. So much for joining ak when we come back our panelists succeed. Our phones fail and comic and actor. Chelsea peretti talks about being the funniest person in her elementary school. We'll be back in a minute with more. Wait wait don't tell me from. Npr support for npr and the following. Message come from better. Help offering online counseling better health. Therapist has you. Joe explains the importance of creating a safe space for therapy. 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So we're bringing back material from past shows putting them in the ground and seeing if anything sprouts now. Here's something you've probably never heard before. We do our show in theaters with a live audience. Well we used to. But our contestants call in from around the country so people can be in the show even if they can't be at the show but in december twenty seventeen at the moore theatre in seattle. All our phone lines fail all at once so for the first time in two decades of hosting this show. Peter had to do crowd work all right. This is this is a last minute change. But this is what we're gonna do. Normally we have people who call in to play our games from around the country but apparently all our phone lines failed so we are going to do something that quite literally. We have never done before. We are going to invite one of you. That's cool. no you're not coming up but we're gonna you're gonna stay in your seat and we have one of our producers is going to work the crowd and find one of you. The player games now that. I know we're doing that improvisational theatre alright. Hi you're wait. We don't tell me and sorry. We're i cannot. I am told phoebe that you were way up. Top the worst seat in the house is that true. I am in the very back of the theater here at the very top row. I am in the various way way. How do we look from up there. They're a small funny beyond me. Phoebe do i have bald spot. I see how phoebe i assume. Are you also from seattle As of the last thirteen years so phoebe welcome to the show. Thanks for being here. You're of course are going to play the game which you have to listen for the rhyme bill. Kurtis right here is going to perform. Three news related limericks. He's not going to finish them. Your job of course is to do that from the back of the house ready to do that. He asked right here. We go. Here's your first limit. It's old information that rookies. No it makes my intestines play hooky the eggs and the flower give he coli power. I shouldn't be eating raw cookie dough. Tv doctor your kids this week. The new york times reported the cookie dough is bad but on the other hand according to the new york times nazis can also often be charming young men so a new research shows that it's not just the raw eggs and cookie dough that we need to worry about raw flour is also dangerous. Cdc epidemiologists samuel crow says that even a small amount of infected flower could get you sick. He added quote. I've had e. coli and it's pretty darn unpleasant. So we have both e. coli in san manila. Nothing against dr coburn. Maybe the cdc needs to put up those employees must wash hands you as he brought cookie. I used to back in the day. Yeah i like. It's a white people thing. Yeah i just. I didn't grow up with it and then when i got to college and i was like. What are you eating cookie. Ill never went raw. Just wait till they're done so weird thing for that to be a white people think you guys got lot of weird all right. Here's your limerick cbi gluts and my quads are both rotting. So more time near the ground malati. My doctors demanding less sitting and standing so toddlers. I'll spend my day squatting squatting yes we knew. remember this. We all found out that sitting was terrible for us. We all got standing desks. Then we learned standing was bad for us. We all sat down again and then they came for the jews. And i did nothing because i was dizzy. Sorry sorry to. The point is sitting skinning one health expert at least in recommending that the healthiest thing you can do during the day is squad at your desk. So we will only squatting desks now. Just saw six inches off the legs of your squatting. Good for your quads. Obviously but that's it. I guess the idea is like sitting is bad and standing is bad because he's squat and you're actually getting someone. Did i just said. Hey we got some half-built built desks. We gotta get rid of gliding desk. Go for the squatting routine here is your last lyric. Phoebe be dazzling makes scientists bidder sparkles and up in the litter spall. Kids arts and crafts should be given the shaft. We call for a ban on all glitter litter. Yes very good. Feeding sorry bloggers. Environmental scientists are calling for a ban on glitter saying that. Not only is it impossible to remove from your facing clothes. it's also impossible to remove from the ocean. Pollution has gotten so bad that some researchers say by twenty twenty-five of full two thirds of the ocean will look fabulous. Have these environmental scientists been to a strip club got caught and said oh glitter get covered glitter dame. The ocean nielsen is full of the ocean. I got covered in glitter bill. Phoebe doing our quiz three. Oh and finally here's comic and actor chelsea peretti who joined us by zoom just last november. I asked her about her origins as a superhero. Was there a moment. A for example. I know alonzo was when he was working as an airplane mechanic. He was like making his colleagues laugh and he decided maybe she go. Try it for a living. Was rome when you decided that you were going to be a comic. I would love to hear that like inside baseball of airplane mechanics. Like i want to hear what those jokes were chelsea. You would not fly again if i can terrifying number one or number one saying we're like how did it come out like we're not making watches so it'll plus. This is exactly what i wanted. Though i forget what the question was i was so titillated by airplane mechanic. Humor was was there a moment when you were like. Oh i could do this reliving or at least i wanna try doing this really well. I sold my first joke and it was like a deal with the devil because it was a joke about my mom. And i don't know if you remember there was this comedy. Central show called shorties watching shorties animated jokes and they. The joke they wanted was a joke about my mom and so it was like. Do i sell out my mom's for my first tech answer was yes. What was the joke. I think it was about like how when we used to watch movies together. My mom would be watching me the whole time. My mom would be watching me. Watch the movie and you know something about how it felt like a date. Anyway but i now is a mom i get it. You hit experience things because you're like oh look you're experiencing this and you're watching them. It's like you get so much pleasure from senior kid. I enjoy something so maybe it wasn't as creepy as it felt or maybe it is. I i watched your netflix special. The other night one of the greats and it was hilariously funny but it also in addition to having a lot of great jokes that had a lot of jokes about one hour comedy specials yes and actually started to wonder. Do you like one hour comedy specials on you know streaming tv. The great question not really a lot of them. I don't i mean. I'd always almost always rather watch a great comedy movie than an hour of stand up one of the things that you do. Would you play around with audience shots so the audience seems to be your actual audience enjoying your comedy and sometimes it's not or at least it's unexpected. For example there was one shot to what looked like an elderly italian man eating a hardboiled egg and the funny thing is you know. Yes as a comedian. I've always hated a lot of aspects of stand up specials. They don't always really capture the experience of what an amazing night in stand up is But a lot of them. The production is trash. There's a few producers who make stand up specials. They have cornered the market. They make like they turn them out. They produce them all exactly the same. They always have reaction shots. That like people look confused or disappointed. When someone's told a joke you're like why would you include that and you know just strange people and so. I just wanted to accentuate that. And you know including there's a clown version of myself in the audience and yes and side you're on your an extremely successful and great. Tv show brooklyn nine nine for six seasons. If i'm not mistaken yes and you left the show which is not something that people usually do. But you did and can i ask. What did you leave it to go. Do i left it. Well i guess what i have done since the show is i wrote a movie And i made an album about coffee concept album all about coffee chelsea everytime i have coffee. I think that this song from your podcast from years ago. That copy rankin bouma sleep. Yeah and i'm embarrassed to be like talking about it to you right now but it is so funny and brilliant and yeah i want. Multiple albums could absolutely bury you in more coffee. I understand this on new to me. And i apologize so you podcast which you didn't know about and on the podcast. You performed a song about coffee. Yeah well you know the my the producer that worked with me kool. Kojak is his name he. I used to send him audio. When i was on the road. Doing stand up. I would drink coffee anywhere any city. I went to get my coffee. Then i get really hyper. And i'd i'd like free styles sing like acapella into my own and sent him music and he would turn it into songs. That sounded actually pretty polish. Because he's a real music producer and we would put him on the podcast and somehow we were like we should make an entire album. We're like we'll just slap it together in like two weeks and will submit for grandma. Because it'll be funny then. You cut to eat months later. I'm like pacing back and forth and we've got like music lyrics all over his entire studio in like you know it just turned into this crazy rabbit hole. And it was so creatively fulfilling i. I wouldn't take it back for the world but it is very bizarre way to have spent the year leading into a pandemic lockdown. I'm like i could have seen a couple more friends. I i don't know. Can you give me like a lyric. There's a song about oat milk and it's like do you have do you have do you have do have. Oh and it's basically just like when you're waiting in line to get coffee. And what is your favorite coffee drink. Well i feel like the easiest way to answer us to show you my yellow teeth. How chelsea peretti. It is a delight to talk to you. We have invited you here to play a game that this time we're calling chelsea peretti meet chelsea football club your chelsea peretti and we wondered what do you know about the chelsea football club of the united kingdom. We're gonna ask you three questions about that team that was made in nineteen zero five. Luckily their fans are not rabid or two to three questions correctly will win our prize for one of our listeners. Bill who is chelsea peretti playing for robert ward of south bend indiana. All right first question. The chelsea football club has a rich history during most of which it was a perennial loser sort of like the chicago cubs back in the nineteen thirties. The team tried something a little unusual to improve the team's performance. What was it was it a they drafted maurice the famous irish kicking mule to be there midfielder be. They tried injecting. The players with a serum made from ground up monkey testicles were see their players to just pick up the ball and run for it. I'm gonna say a you're gonna say they drafted maurice. The famous iraq kicking mule to plan their team. That just sounds like something that would happen in old. Timey days It does it does sadly though is be it was the monkey testicle that was that was gonna be my other one to march chelsea. There's nothing to worry about. The owner of the chelsea f c is a russian oligarch named roman abramovich. Now the billionaire got his start in business by doing what just as the soviet union was collapsing. A he did live theater. Versions of episodes of the american prime time soap opera dynasty be. He sold imported rubber ducks out of his moscow apartment. Where see he sold. Fake gorbachev birthmark tattoos. Two bald men I'm gonna go ducks for no good reason and for no good reason you're right. That's what he did unclear how he became a billionaire by selling rubber ducks but presumably. He had a gift. What can i tell you all right. Listen people are stupid if warmer chancellor chelsea like many legacies sports teams chelsea's fans have their traditions like which of these a hurling celery onto the field often directly at opposing players. Be yelling four soothe. It cannot be whenever the other team scores or see simply staring and silent disapproval when one of their players does poorly salary. You're right chelsea. that's exactly now. I should say in case any chelsea fans are listening that they are not allowed to throw celery onto the field anymore however it is well known that when chelsea travels they sometimes follow along and throw with celery. Nobody knows why they do this. They just do it bill. How did chelsea peretti doing. Our quiz chelsea got two out of three right. That makes her a winner. Congratulations chelsea thank you go. Chelsea peretti is a comedian and actress. You can currently see her in friends giving in her new album foam and flotsam out now chelsea peretti. Thank you so much for joining us on. Wait wait don't tell me. Thank you guys so much. That was fun today by. That's it for our leap into spring special. We hope some of the jokes seeds. We planted this week will grow into mighty joke trees but with better joke fruits on them. Wait wait don't tell me. Production of npr in wbz chicago in association with urgent haircut productions. Doug berman overlord. Philip goad reds are lyrics are intern is emma choi. Our web guru is beth not b. j. liederman composed our theme our programs produced by jennifer mills miles door in boston and lillian kings. Peter gwynne is our constant gardiner technical directions from warner wider business. Ops manager is colin miller. A production manager is robert newhouse our senior producers chill and the executive producer. Wait wait don't tell me his mike danforth. Thanks to everybody. You heard this week. That means all our panelists all our guests and of course the inestimable bill kurtis and thanks to all of you for listening we hope everything you planted. Spring comes up doubtedly segal. We'll be back with the new show next week. This is npr.
JFK & Jackie | The Political Runway | 4
"While running the foremost christian institution in the country. Jerry falwell and his wife. Becky lured a pool attendant into a love triangle and a financial scandal that would shock the world in god. we lust is a new podcast hosted by us. Bruckner asia premiering april twentieth. Wherever you get your podcasts join wondering plus in the wondering app to listen to even the rich ad free and get in god. We lost one week early. Download the wondering app in your apple or google mobile app store today from wandering i'm marisha skidmore williams and brooks ephron and this is even the rich over the last three episodes. We follow jfk and jackie through their whirlwind political rise in their marriage. We even talked a little. Bit about jackie's second. Life is a successful book editor. But we didn't talk about was jackie's cultural impact. Despite being the first lady for less than one term she completely changed american fashion. Absolutely she still iconic. I mean even kim kardashian dressed up as her for cover of interview magazine. Yeah and she wore jackie's watch when she met with president trump to plead for allah's johnson's clemency. I heard it cost her four hundred thousand dollars at auction wild. I mean jackie kennedy style endured for so long that she still influencing our influencers so we wanted to take some time to look back on how she became such an important figure in american fashion. I mean look. We had to. Tom fitzgerald lorenzo. Marquess have been covering political style for years now so joining us today. To talk about jackie's best looks how fashion works is a language. Ny why men can get away with such boring suits now tom. Lorenzo our the founders and cultural critics behind the fashion blog that bears their names. They're also the author of two books on celebrity fashion queer history and the host of the pop style. Opinion fest podcast. We can't wait to ask them everything we've ever wanted to know about what it takes to dress like a first lady. Yeah like. How many pillbox hats do i actually need to own. And what i look. Good with things. Like michelle obama's buckle up ritchie's this is gonna be one hell of a runway. Do you ever question what you eat where it's from if it's safe at consumer reports these things keep them up at night then they get to work. Their team exposes toxins in food and even water than demands change from all brands. It's only fair that you know what's on your plate so make sure what you eat is safe and healthy because food should fuel us not make us sick and if we are what we eat it better be good learn more consumer reports dot org slash my food that's consumer reports dot org slash. My food take the road less traveled in the newly redesigned hyundai santa fe with available h. Track all wheel drive to help you get off the beaten path. A little further together and advanced safety features like available blind spot view monitor. That can help you see what's on either side of the car when switching lanes plus with generous room for five and comfortable available nappa leather seating. You can go for more. Drives a family without driving each other crazy. Find new adventures together in the hyundai. Santa fe hi. Tom and lorenzo. Thank you so much for joining us. Oh it's our pleasure. Thank you for having us. We're very excited heavy guys today. Yeah you know when we decided to talk about the legacy of political fashion for this interview you were are very clear first. Choice so wonderful to hear were experts so you are so i. Can you guys just introduce yourselves to our listeners. Who are tom and lorenzo. And what they do okay. I'm tom fitzgerald. And i'm lorenzo marquez. We are a married couple of over twenty years. We've been bloggers since two thousand six where authors of several books and podcasters ourselves basically. A short answer is that were cultural critics dealing with fashion celebrity and sometimes politics when they all intersect so before we really really get into it. I wanna talk about why. It's important to talk about fashion. So many people dismiss it as superficial and unimportant when you guys say that Art say that it's important because first of all is part of us. I mean you can't walk out naked. showed so you need fashion and i. I think people misunderstand the need of fashion in the sense that i know. There's a lot of pressure put into what you wear and what you shouldn't should wear but it's something that you can use it as a tool to express yourself. Also i think it's it's important to note and this is kind of where we've always come in that fashion has semiotics and symbolic power to it especially when you're talking about people in the public eye but even in your private life i mean people dressed differently for first day than they would for a job interview than they would for. You know sunday church. There's there's power in that and it's largely invisible in most of our lives. We don't realize how important it is but whenever we have this conversation about the importance of fashion we always return to the devil wears prada damis famous speech from. We actually know a lot of fashion. Editors who told us over the years. Oh that speech is dead on. That speech is exactly why passion is important right. I think fashion can be very intimidating. And there's so much pressure. As i said to wear a certain things but at the same time you can use it as a toll to establish who you are and even better than that established who you want people to see you as and i think you see that celebrities you see that with first lady's you see that royalty you see them creating a look creating an image that you can't create without thinking about fashion for sure and speaking of celebrities and first lady's on your podcast and on your blog you cover the outfits of celebrities like j. lo as well as outfits from political wives like michelle obama. Do you bring a different. I or set of standards to celebrity fashion and political fashion. Oh absolutely there's two goals in mind. Celebrity is selling a product whether their product is literally themselves or whatever. Their latest project is every red carpet is a marketing exercise. Which is why there are corporate logos usually in the background of most red carpets but with politicians and female political figures in that includes people like kamala harris or alexandria. Ocasio cortez as well as people like michelle obama. There are just a different set of goals. And it's usually about projecting certain level of competence and a certain related ability to whoever you feel your constituency is so there's much more of a representational aspect to political dressing whereas celebrity dressing is purely purely marketing so i think when it comes to celebrities general i mean it. The idea is to convince you that you need something you need to product and then when it comes to the first lady's i think it's more like you know it. It's trying to understand you. I understand you can trust me. You know that type of who've you have okay so obviously today. We're gonna be talking about political fashion and in particular the fashion choices. The first lady's but i i've got to ask did political fashion before jackie even exist like where people talking about abigail adams petty coats. I can't think of one influence in the white house before jackie. No i mean. There were young first lady's prior to jackie but not many and not in living memory of the time when she became first lady. We always say that the first lady role is very nineteenth century. And it's in the way we It's framed the way we look at it. The expectations of the raw. It's very much nineteenth century socialite. So if you look at like ground don's who threw parties and had charities in the eighteen eighties. That's basically what we expect of first ladies and that has been the case even up to today that still the case. Obviously it has been up ended several times over by jackie by nancy. Reagan by hillary clinton by michelle obama. But at its heart. It is a very traditional and largely mature maternal almost sort of role so no. There wasn't that kind of interest in first lady fashion except in the general. This is how socialites are dressing this season but even then like first ladies pretty much the entire twentieth century We're all over fifty years old. Several of them were grandmothers or had adult children when they were in the white house. So that's part of why a jackie exploded was because of her youth as well as her her she was she. She was shot. So no not really. There was never that kind of interest in what the first lady was wearing. I was all a weather. She was comporting herself correctly. And you know supporting her husband supporting the right charities but not is she wearing the latest hamline or the latest half. that was never. It's interesting 'cause we actually had a post about magazine covers with first ladies. And we actually talked about the fact that before. Jackie was pretty much just good housekeeping magazines like that. You know where they're where they're being the wives. There's no pictures or no cover the way we have right now. Vogue glamour covers. Yeah so then. Let's set the stage for nineteen sixty one. Jfk won the white house. What was going on in fashion at the time. So the whole post war era was defined by parisian. Fashion was defined by french fashion when dior created the new look in nineteen forty-five just revolutionized mid twentieth century fashion. And it was influential for the next thirty years. We were talking about this earlier. And i said to lorenzo. I said one way we can frame. This is when you look at say. There's a famous. I love lucy episode where lucy and ethel wear. These sack dresses. That were supposed to be. The latest from paris treated as a joke as something. That was glamorous and chic but it was beyond most average american women or you look at the nineteen fifty seven film with audrey hepburn Funny face where. She plays a model fred. Astaire is a fashion photographer and most of it is set in paris and again half. The film sort of makes fun of the pretension of parisian fashion. While at the same time it sets up audrey hepburn as like this flawless avatar of french fashion so there was like this fascination with it from american female consumer in the postwar era but It was still largely considered above. And beyond what most women were capable of wearing. That's part of why jacket was so is because she sort of took french fashion away from audrey hepburn and basically said you can dress like this for church on which turned it into something middle-class 'rational in a way it hasn't been before she sort of took all of these french and french fashion elements and hold them into the american living room. Basically i always say that the reason why we're talking about her is because it's she represented all that that idea of beauty and fashion. I mean she was interested in all these. Censure was interested in art news newsy Beautiful artistic expressions in and then when you have that kind of life and interest that is going to be manifested era in the way you dress. I mean you can't help it. And she adored like all the parisian designers at the time and it was a very smart move. She had this idea that okay. I'm kind of wear french designer. But i'm just gonna make it look like it's american. Yeah american-made yeah. Yeah i mean you know. When you look at jackie's most popular looks. They really are simple. I mean she were a lot of sheath dresses with pearls or two piece suits with pillbox hats. How did such simple looks become so iconic. Part of the reason is lorenzo. She made really good point. We were talking about this. Last night was the kinds of styles the kinds of french styles that she tended to filter down to her own style. Were actually fairly easy to replicate. Because of that. Simplicity and a lot of jackie's very simple styles were berry easy for homes hours to replicate my own grandmother. I can remember in the nineteen seventies. She had several pink. Chanel style suits that she made herself. You know is the type of fashion in style. Any women could wear and still do things you know like when you were shift dress you can still move your arms around and do things. You not so restricted at certain fashions of the time. So you know one thing. I didn't know before we started working on our series was that jackie's most famous chanel suit was actually a knockoff. In only person who didn't know that language we saw a lot of people don't know that it. It's so funny every time i read about like. Oh the fate chanels like actually. It's not fake. Because i mean chanel sent the fabric and the buttons and dot read everything so it was so many new york so you could technically say that. It's not made in paris. But all the elements all the chanel ports came from the affiliate in perez to new york along with the pattern basically just told them how to put it together in america. They always cracks when they say. Oh it's a fiction. Well yes neil. Yeah i mean is there a reason. She didn't just wear the original she. was criticized early on for being a a little bit too much of a clothes horse and money and also There was some pushback that she wasn't supporting american designed. She actually turned to diana who was the legendary editor of vogue at the time and asked her for some advice. As to how to handle this and diana real in suggested a bunch of american dress makers and designers like norman durrell was one of them but she eventually settled on oleg cassini. Who actually was. I believe a candidate family friend. He knew that he had already. He already knew the kennedys and he really understood her style. I mean you have to remember that in the beginning She got a lot of bad press. Because she's i think. First year she spent like forty. Five thousand dollars on clo. Yes she socialite at heart when home technically with only making seventy five thousand the president's. Wow yeah yeah it was a serious clothes horse and send okay sense You know the her immediate predecessor was frigging mamie eisenhower. And before that again truman. And before that. It was eleanor roosevelt. Said i have this like thirty three year. Old young glamorous woman come in and just start wearing the latest french fashions spending a lot of money. people were fascinated. And you know we think we live in such a a partisan culture now and we do. We still lived in a partisan culture back then and tiny. These political opponents and political enemies were pointing out. How frivolous she was. You guys just mentioned Best truman and some other first ladies. And i'm wondering. Do you think that changed what it meant to be a first lady. Did she create the mold or did she break it. both She brought that sort of nineteenth century socialite mode. You know that that vision of how she was supposed to look she was supposed to look like a society ground dom she was supposed to look middle age she was supposed to look respectable and here. It like i said here comes as thirty-three-year-old young mother and not only is she stylish. But she's like an international sophisticat. It seems really strange to say this now. But for nineteen sixty. Jackie kennedy represented a very exotic first lady. Even though she was white american the fact that she was french the fact that she spoke several languages the fact that she came from old money although that wasn't so odd The fact that she was well travelled and the fact that she was young so it just created this version of a first lady that nobody had truly seen before. And if you look at her media successors going down another twenty years. I mean you can look at lady. Burden trish nicks and betty ford and even roslyn carter and they all were on some level trying to mimic that sort of old school. Miss porter vassar pearls and ship dresses and the bubble do. They all had that bubble to right up until nancy reagan and then she came along and changed it into more of a hollywood thing but sort of old school comportment that sort of finishing school and sort of international sophistication. All of that was something that she injected into the role and that her immediate successors for many years after tried to emulate brooke. Do you have any hidden talents. But you don't know about Yeah i guess i would make it hidden. I can say the backwards really z. 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Even the rich to let them know we sent you an to get twenty percents off your order. Function of beauty dot com slash. Even the rich. Now you guys have spoken a lot about fashion as image craft in the past. How adept was jackie. O it crafting her image through fashion versus say our last firstly well the thing is with our last first lady that actually was adept at using fashion to send messages but no one liked the messages he was sending because it was. It was things like i really. Don't care to you when it came when it came to jackie. She was adept at it but it was a image craft has changed in the last sixty years when i look at the way. She crafted her clothing. It's in a very sort of basic way. One of the things. That's notable jackie. The first lady is that she had a tremendous international presence and they used her for that so she did a lot of traveling in a way that her media predecessors did not and sometimes she went on these trips alone so there's got a famous picture of them getting off the plane. Book talk columbia. And you know jackie's known for these little pillbox has and she has this massive brimmed latin american-style happening right green coach and his little things like that when she went on her famous trip to india. she were all these brilliant pinks and jill tones and stuff like that that would call to mind indian fashion or an indian folk elements. So she did it in that way in very broad strokes is how i would put it where she would do it. You know no pun intended a tip of the hat to local ethnic styles or folk styles or she would it would come up look sorta colored. She was wearing that sort of thing. Yeah it wasn't a very she did it in a very light. it wasn't like michelle obama. Did i mean michelle was very conscious about who she war and who she wanted to support. I mean that's what you have these amazing designers now because of michelle obama. She wore all these incredible coming designers american designers. She also featured a lot of designers of color that very the liberal. Each first lady had a way to deal with how to present fashion in how to be seen very carefully in a totally different way. So i think jackie did a phenomenal job and michelle obama. Still the same in terms of melania. I think mellon didn't have that in mind. That's my opinion. I think she has wanted to look good right. Yeah and spent a lot of feel like labels. Yes she. She trusts like a a lady with a lot of money which is fine. That's that's what she is who she was. But that wasn't necessarily a message there. I'm wearing these designers because this is this is the message that i wanna give to the american people right. But you can look at jackie's influence in terms of the way. She introduced the idea of having meaning. In what you wear and when you wear it. I feel like that idea was picked up later by people like princess diana. Yeah by michelle obama at also by tape. Middleton i think you can say jackie's influence as a public sort of high class lady. What her public style was like has been filtered down for the for the next fifty years by a lot of very very public high profile women. I pointed this out to lorenzo. If you look at michelle obama's first white house or at the year. They went into the white house. She's in a black michael. Kors sort of body skimming dress with it's sleeveless white pearls and a bubble do and it is. I mean it's jackie to a tape it is and that's michelle. Obama is clearly. That's not an accident that was thought throw she knew and again. It goes back to jackie in nineteen sixty was considered this sort of exotic slightly on american first lady and you know forty five years later. Here's michelle obama as the first black woman. First lady taking that same sort of idea and taking it even further now michelle's image changed over time. She loosened up as first lady but her first several years in the role the press was talking about it at the time about how much she was taking her page from. Jackie okay so then. If i asked you to create a top five list fashionable first lady's right now on the spot who would be on it. I'll go first okay. But i don't think i think i'll speak for both of us. I don't think we number one. Michelle obama Number one number two is jackie number. Three is nancy reagan. Okay we did a talk in dc like seven or eight years ago where someone asked us. This question and i said reagan and the whole room gas was like look. You don't have to agree with her politics or anything like that. But there is no denying that nancy reagan was first off very stylish and a very flashy sort of hollywood way and she also changed the role in much. You know mob in the same way. Jackie did but she did change the role. So that's number three. Oh god i don't think we have a few. I would be hard for. Hillary clinton is not known as a fashion icon by any stretch. Although the longer she'd been in the public eye she's pretty much institution at this point. We we have an understanding of what her style is. What is a hillary clinton pantsuit. Everybody knows what is. Yeah and in the nineties. When she wore headbands everybody talked about her headbands so to say that she wasn't stylish isn't true and say that her style didn't have an effect isn't true alexandria. Ocasio cortez basically dresses like hillary clinton when she goes to work every day is how hillary has affected political fan so yeah i would put her as number four if i really wanted to go out of left field i would probably say someone like eleanor roosevelt who was frumpy by today's standards. Of course i mean in the when you look at nineteen forties fashion for middle aged women. Were not talking to cover revoke by. She did have high style. It was very much of the rich cultured. Dial of the time. It was a lot of fur coats and and sort of frivolous looking hats. But she did have a style and the fact that she was in that role for You know sixteen fourteen years or whatever and so influential in it. I just think it goes hand in hand. Were people dressing like her at the time or taking cues from her style. Probably not. But i think america probably found it very comforting that there was this grandmotherly figure who you know what i mean who stable and strong and during a time of great tumbled. I'm going through the depression and the war. Have to look at the time to give that kind of answer and you have to understand what they were trying to achieve at the time. I think the most wonderful thing about jackie is that she was able to keep her fashion sands and style. But tony down to the american audience and by then i mean she. It was genius because she said okay. I'm going to wear chanel. But it's not really should know and i'll tell you what you can even wear the same you know you can by the butter of pattern and making this shirt like we brought about nineteen sixty style for almost a decade when madman was on the air we series of mounted and we became fairly adapt at reading the style of that decade and finding a lot of source material. And i'm telling you by nine thousand nine hundred sixty four or sixty five. Every white woman in america was heading to church on sunday looking like jackie. That's how influential she was on the middle class. I could say that michelle obama had an effect and she probably did have an effect on black american women on halloween dressed. But it's not the same way. I don't think anybody had the effect that jackie where you can see women well into the nineteen seventies middle-class way if you look at like photo albums and newspaper clippings and stuff like that that basic sort of chanel type suit usually in a pastel color with a pencil skirt and some sort of had. It outlived her for ten or fifteen years on on the backs of american women. Yeah so now. Given you've just mentioned jackie's enormous influence being possibly greater than michelle obama. What makes michelle number one on the top of your list while she was I'm sorry i'm jumping ahead. But she had a. She had some freedom in what she was able to wear. More than. jackie. What so. She didn't have to worry about wearing designers were american. It was offers ladies have to make sure they don't overdo that but michelle really opened it up to big name brands. So she was wearing valentino in gucci. And stuff like that. The state dinners jackie's style was as we censor this filter down version of french-style. That's you tried to make more palatable to the public so she simplified it whereas michelle obama didn't do that. She took what was out there and she crafted an image based on what fashion was producing and because she was the first black woman in that role what she was doing was i just. I have no problem sending far more important than any message. Jackie had to send yeah Nothing against schalke. But she was not a history making first lady. So that's why michelle is number one. I think her her fashion may stand the test of time. It hasn't been long enough to really test it. But i think in twenty years or so. We're gonna look back. Michelle obama while. She really was aggressive. I think the most wonderful thing about michelle obama is that she was aware of who she was and she is you know the color of her skin and she us all of that to her own benefit In terms of like wearing a ton of prints not being afraid to wear bright colors. And everything and i feel that yes. Jackie had an enormous influence in everything. But still she was still dress. Sort of like owns a up tight white lady but she was still an image of a white lean. Michelle obama tried to. I guess she tried to represent everybody. You know with all these colors and prints and everything. I think michelle obama understood. And i'm sure she has said this at set as much but she knew that little black girls were looking at her. Yes this is not something any first lady ever had to think about your mom new little black girls are looking at me and they're as frivolous as this might sound because there are so many ways to talk about michelle obama and what are the competition intelligent woman. She is but to a certain extent. She understood that. If she served up black barbie two little girls in that role standing in the white house looking as glamorous as a movie star she knew how much power that had and that's why her bashing was so much more dazzling in so many so many ways. She really was very glamorous in a way. Very few first lady's everywhere. And i think she was very wear that you know young black women and little black girls were looking at her and if she presented as glamorous as aspirational as possible. She was doing a service to them Now that actually brings me to something that you wrote back In august of twenty twenty on your website about michelle And i'm going to quote it because it's really stuck with me. You said michelle changed our understanding. What first lady can look like not just by the fact of her existence but in how she refused to adhere to traditional flow style standards all of which were devised by in four white women arising out of traditionally white ideas of femininity comportment and appropriateness. Can you kind of talk a little bit more about what you meant by that. Lorenzo's looking at me like wow. That was pretty good. Did you realize yeah. Well thank you as we said the traditional role of first lady the traditional conception of the of the role is very like upper-class socialite late nineteenth century sorta version. that's where it the idea of our comes from. She has no Career aroun- she is there to support her husband and because she is a woman of privilege in means she is meant to support a string of charities that is basically been her role for one hundred some odd years now At jackie was part of that. She as i said she was old money. She went to all the right schools. And she certainly wasn't the first socialite to be the first lady so in that respect she was traditional her youth made her different but she basically came from that background of either upper class white ladies or at middle-class ladies who made it to the upper class like when you look at best truman or mamie eisenhower. They weren't necessarily born wealthy but they married men who accomplished a great deal and they moved up the social ladder. You look at eleanor. Roosevelt pure socialite. She was up our upper class. She married another man who was upper class and they live like upper people so Here comes michelle obama and she's fulfilling this role that is either always been filled by white upper class women or by aspirational white middle class. Women who were trying to appear upper-class and she's a descendant of slaves what how much should a woman like that buy into that role. Why would she buy into that role so again. This is why her approach to style was even owed a lot to people. Like jackie kennedy. Especially in the beginning was very much pencil. Skirts and matching sweaters in pearls But she really opened it up in and she started wearing much more. Glamorous pieces much show your pieces the pieces where twenty five or thirty years or like a hillary clinton had worn of the outfits that Michelle obama were. it would have been scandalous. If any first lady was wearing gucci at a state dinner it probably would have been a big deal but she was able to sort of break that mold and say no. This can be a role of high glamour. And you can use that glamour to make some statements about yourself and about your place in that world that sort of understanding that i am a black woman who is standing in a role tremendous power and influence. And because of that. I have a responsibility to make sure that my image is impeccable. In a way that. I am going to define not in a way that white people have defined i. I think that's the great thing about michelle. Obama is that she understood. I mean obviously. The woman is extremely intelligent and talented and so on but she understood that she had to fashion had to be part of her life at the first lady and so outweigh us fashion. How how do. I make fashion a powerful tool for myself in my room and i think she did a phenomenal job doing that. Because again used a lot of print. Bright colors Wasn't afraid to show her show. There's armed she's metallics metallic before you know and not only that. i mean. she understood that she had to wear a lot of american designers into that. Okay how we're american designers. But i'm gonna wear the up and coming design right. I'm going to help. These people become better americans through fashion. I think that's phenomenon. That's the most wonderful thing about her in terms of fashion. 'cause i think she understood how how much you could do because there is this idea especially with women that you know women in general sometimes they feel so guilty for their admiration and appreciation fashion. You know it's like something that you're not supposed to have. You can either be talented or be obsessed with fashion anyway. It's so wrong Because it puts a type of pressure on women specifically that you know it shouldn't be there. I mean you can be you can achieve anything you want and look wonderful. Why not fashion can be a way to celebrate how wonderful you are. How talented that you are and how much you achieved time again. You can say that in women like alexandria ocasio cortez. Who is none a politician's wife. She's an actual politician. Kabul a harris. We've said before commonly is not the most stylish i mean. She basically dresses like a lawyer. She dresses very professional. She doesn't tend to dress. Flashy but i still think both especially alexandria ocasio cortez possibly because she's a millennial she really truly understands image craft and she understands that. It's not wrong for this is why you know. She does like lipstick recommendations on when she gets. She understands at that is a tool in her arsenal young woman. She's an attractive woman. She knows people see that. So why not utilize that fashion as a way to connect with people. It would be easy for some to really make fun of that. Put her down for that. But i as i've said before how is that any different from some dude rolling up his shirt sleeve and staving on a tractor pretending he's farmer politician or those guy out those politicians who pose for like magomed scenes or golf magazine. How's that any different. You know using certain tools that are at your disposal to project a certain kind of image and to reach out to a certain constituent so if there are women in politics so we're learning that lesson. I think that's really good. I think strangely enough. Even though she's been in politics a really long time. Nancy pelosi has learned that in the last several years. Her dressing has gotten very very declarative. I mean she always dressed well but she dresses now in a way that produces images. So you know. There's that image of her walking out the white house red maxmara Putting on her sunglasses after she had that meeting with trump. there's that other image of her. In i think she's in the situation room standing and yelling trump and she's wearing a blue suit and then there's that image of her ripping up the state of the union address and she's wearing a white suit like she. These were all buried declarative outfit. She knew the cameras were on her. She knew she had to appear a certain way and she also knew that social media would go nuts if they saw her. And it's not a coincidence that these three names were red white blue. That's powerful stuff. It really is more. So than i think guy. I've realized kind of diving into this. Oh good ashen rabbit hole. I so our current first lady. Jill biden is obviously also a former second lady. How do you think her. New role will affect her style choices. I think she's actually really stepped up her game. And not just i mean like literally in the past two months. She stepped up her game because when they were on the campaign trail. She was dressing the way a politician's wife tends to address. Joe has a very youthful vibe to her. She's got this sort of sporty vibe to her That sorta underlies her The way she dresses and some people read that as to youthful for women her age but the fact that matter issues a very active woman of her age and she's very youthful woman of her age. And i feel like it's not so much that she's dressing young is that she's dressing very active and very stylish. So your like gee. I never saw her in a pair of patterned tights or booties or miniskirt. Before and there she was stepping off air force one last week. She really stepped up her game. Her inauguration outfit. It was what she wore that night. Not what you were during the day when they were on the balcony watching the fireworks and it was this white gabriela hearst embroidered dress and then a matching border white coat and it had all the flowers of all fifty states and it. Yeah and they all had meaning and then the flower for delaware. I think was over her heart. She suddenly showed this high level understanding of both semiotics. And just style i would imagine. She has a stylised now. I don't know who it is. But i i can't imagine that she suddenly got this good at silas close. It's great that she's trying different things she you know. Maybe she realized that skirt maybe is not the way to go. But you know you have to try right a why not why not She's allowed to. And i think If there's a you know every administration comes in and they have an image they want to project. And of course with obama's we're making history here But i think what the biden's of course they want to project a a certain idea of stability and competence. And i think that comes through in how she's dressing it's very sort of. It's almost comforting. How she dresses while at the same time i think she's aware that they have to project a certain image of vitality because people are worried about his age. So if she's dressing a little young. I feel like that might have something to do with. It is that she's trying to figure out. How do i project the sort of stable comforting image while also making trouble understands where up to the job. We're not going anywhere we're not you don't and on top of everything else. She has her own career. Which again is history. Making for first lady. She going to stop working. So there's this this very sort of out in the world sense to the way. She dresses like she's going out there. Now we talked a little bit about hillary clinton and what i think is interesting about her is that we've gotten to see her as a political wife and then as a politician and you've already mentioned a little bit about how her style has changed and i'm just wondering if you can talk a little bit more about that. Oh it's so easy it's so easy how ch- stopped wearing hills. She stopped wearing skirts. She stopped wearing shape. Wear that's it in a nutshell and good for her. I mean when you look at her time as first lady was very fascinating. It was very traditional shore. A lot of you know if you look at her inauguration gowns they were very fitted gallons with very skirts and the minute the minute she was done as first lady i mean. I can't remember the last time anyone saw her. In a dress where he's It became very businesslike. And there was a certain certain. Fu sense to it. She was like i'm done. I am not a politician's wife. I'm a senator. Now and i am not dressing that way way more comfortable now than she asked was. I agree she'd go back and look at pictures. She looks uncomfortable. She doesn't she. I mean she's not happy with the way she looks. And you can clearly see that she was forced into that position As opposed to the other latest we just talked about sort of learn how to deal with the situation to their advantage. I don't think she ever chief that now but I don't think she dislikes fashion. And i don't think she doesn't understand it but when she accepted the nomination at the dnc. She came out in a white suit. She understood that it was a powerful moment. Not just because she was paying much to the suffragettes which everyone would would have understood immediately but the image of. Here's your presidential candidate. And they're not in a men's suit which is how every presidential candidate has accepted the nomination. Going back seventy five years to come out in that white suit is to say i am changed so i think she understood fashion. I think she appreciated it. I think she utilizes it. But it is not a priority for never was. Don't you just love holding onto a bunch of receipts. You can submit them for reimbursement and then hanging onto them. Just in case something doesn't go through and you need to resubmit them later That's going to be a no for me. Of course not no he does. Your time is precious. So why waste a bunch of time trying to juggle are your expenses invoices bills and business travel when you can use expensive to manage it all easily and seamlessly expensive. I is an easy to use app. That makes it easy for you to get paid back. That's right expensive. Helps you manage all of that spending in one place so you can focus your time elsewhere so back to those receipts with expensive by you. Just take a picture as soon as you get it and toss it better yet. 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It's hard to impose anything because they're always wearing a suit. You know how much how much you can change in terms of. But i think there were a little bored ventures in terms of wearing a three piece suit with different vest or more interesting ties. Different shoe obama war tan suit in the country melted down. I have lost their minds. I don't know. I love men's fashion. I love to see men trying more fashionable things but once you start letting them wear that's or colored shirts or if they're allowed to get away from that you know blue suit white shirt red tie thing. It starts looking people freaked out a little bit. We're very weird about men and fashion and who's allowed to be fashionable and who isn't and generally speaking. I don't think the voting public admires a male politician. Whose putting too much into his look. I think they dress a lot better if they focus on little things like fit for donald trump died and then his tie was all the way down to his knee. Fine you wanna wear a black shirt or a navy blue fine but can you. Can we focus a little. Bit on how it fits. Along joe. biden's fit is me isn't are fit man himself and where says suits very snug and again. I feel that that's a little deliberate. Is if you look at him. When he was vicepresident it was more or less a standard cut up suit. And if you look at it now his suits cut just a little bit tighter to show. How much vitality as he's got an athletic body. He's in fantastic shape. I mean he is old but he is compared to the last guy. He looks like he could run laps around them. There is that you can play with things like fit to make sure that people see that. You're young that you're vital that you're competent or whatever but generally speaking we're not gonna see a men in politics change their look all that much i i think there's a little bit more room for casualness and politics. I think Jon ossoff in georgia looked unbelievable and apparel low-slung jeans on a belt and he played that to the hilt because he knew he looked good in that and his entire campaign all he was dress shirts. Low-slung jeans on about when you're young and you're thin and you can and you look great in those outfits. Why wouldn't you dress that way. But that's still very limited. I mean it's like business casual best. We're just not going to say. No one's going to be wearing flared pants. No one's going to be wearing cropped pants like tom brown skin suits or anything your brow. Now i mean it's basic business. Where for men and there is no incentive for any of them to really shake that up. Okay so then. What should we expect from our second gentlemen. It sounds like you're saying not anything exciting. Now i mean have you met our second. And i don't mean it. I really like him. I liked that. He has embraced that role. I have literally no criticisms for the guy whatsoever but like his wife. He dresses like lawyer. He's a lawyer says like one. He's a middle aged ad. He dresses like once nothing wrong with that. That's who you are. I was impressed with his alphabet. The inauguration because i could tell it was fine. The coat that he wore was beautiful. Hayes also you know. He's a fit man. He he looks good and welcomed closed. But i couldn't name an outfit and that's fine. Yeah that's all we have for today. This has been such a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us. Then we yeah. I learned so much about style and fashion. That i thought i knew and i didn't sam. Thanks again to tom. and lorenzo. yeah. That was a lot of fun. Can't wait to read everything they've ever written about michelle obama same but in the meantime we'll be taking next week off to bring you a special even the rich presentation in god. We lost a new podcast hosted by us. So we're we should tell me if you've heard this one before a woman. Her husband pool attendant walk into a hotel room. 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I'm gonna see if i could meet them. I hope he's not all the way in miami for the canelo fight on notice where he's going to be. I hope he's not know over my skype. Quite this and restarted all right. Let's see if that works. Come on come on here. we go. That worked all right. Let's get rid of mr hunter. Sorry and right now we can delake so ladies and gentlemen just joining us. We will be having ken porter on the show right now. He just said link league now got you can it is is can. It is sent mafoud in office to. I was trying to eat and then i'm live boom. The message came. You could get ready to. And ken say he could be ready for two and now do me popped in. So let's see what's going to go down due relation with do champ long view in the car somewhere. Yeah man i picked up my father in law. Drop them off at the crib. Thank god man. Everything's okay just a little messed up. No thomas i'm live chimp. You know. I'll be right there. Yeah we're going to have puerto on but good to hear that your father in law's doing better just didn't know that that that all out publicly because we all live ken puerta jump on be did. He said he'll be there all right. We're just waiting on ken. In the meantime eat the strawberries. Non saying gets a questions. Get your questions. You know what. I'm saying the super chatham because i didn't make post i'm gonna try and make a post throughout the conversation with him and see. Could i get to that. But i i. I need to connect with him. I but him prepare those questions. We got super max with elk. Here we go here we go stat is that can does moore's house without moore's house in on ken pota- what's the most important than the accident though. Help me out in chat. What do we want to know. What are we got. sounds like. Moore's house we still waiting on ken. Good moore's house. what up what up. We just wait and we wait for kenna. Join us man. I'm live and it goes can pull them all right. Ken how are you go on one. Second let me make sure. I got other stuff off my phone. No problem no problem. La can porter manager. Chain of sean porter. An trainer and manager of maliki montgomery who was now eight. And i'll you wanna jen always always. That's how you stay so yeah every day and you're in florida right. I'm in parts unknown. How's that florida weather that vitamin d tree in you man. I moved out here as you can see this beautiful coming in man. Yeah is is goodman is good for getting focus being able to workout outside in good weather you know so is working out really well for me. I mean you know just the be casual you posted something the other day or you buy the be remarried or did you remarry. I never been mary post anything. I was getting married in the comments. Section indicated that there's miss porter outdid never been okay. Okay make sure laying taken off the market making sure that he's still on the market now. I'd never been made in a somebody grabbed a hold on my phone. Something but okay now that way absolutely not. I think it's hilarious. No but you always watching man. I'm on everything. Move on disney l. Now you're giving me some information. They actually say that said. Oh absolutely said ms porter. I say okay. Wow no no and i was. I mean listen. I mean listen. Congratulations if it was. I mean no no absolutely. I think it's hilarious. But maybe she should have did it at april fools day or something. I don't know but you are in florida because you just got another knockout win with your new fighter. Maliki montgomery right. Yeah yeah me. He saturday night last saturday. Night and Got another knockout At the end of the third round so that puts them at eight hundred eight knockouts and he actually just fought on the thirtieth of last month. So that was three week span between fights for him he actually goes again on the nineteenth of march so to be give or take another three weeks. Now we seem that with james kirkland. A they tried to do that. And then no name and neuro hero. Ashida knocked them out and they blamed it on him. Being put in fights to quickly right he was. He did like three fights and each of them were like two weeks back the back. I know that kirkland was on another level in a sheet approve. I guess to be on another level was well so what you're doing with montgomery. I isn't the same but is there any worry that you're moving too quickly. And not give 'em anna's enough time in between or is it because of the knockouts obviously well first of all. I've done this before he go back a little bit. Sean porter's fight record in the first year of him turning pro. He fought ten eleven times his. I hear Secondly back then. I was calling the tour. Kazazi mike. I did. At one point in his career Knob just calling the deport away. I have a kid who has the ability to train and focus and live with me Little clean lifestyle. Eat the right type of foods and get the right type arrests that allows him there opportunities that i'm giving him to go and fight and win be spectacular He hasn't moved up to round fights yet. So because we're only fighting it six which the the next fight is a step up is moving to a eight but since we're only fighting six nobody's getting past three whittam honestly. There's no reason for him. Would you put him on a shelf for three months. This no no point whatsoever so He's able to box. Because he has the ability to do it. Coming from the amateur system being a top level amateur he used to fight four or five times in a week so fighting once a month is pretty easy. Family's been doing well. That hasn't been difficult for him to get fights because he's attached to your name and you know. I guess the promoters see ken porter guy or has it been simple to get in fights because of who you are no at this point time. It hasn't become a problem yet. Is suspect as you continue to talk about him. And other people start to find out about him it will be get you become more of an issue with you. Know guys not wanna take the fights because they believe that You know they're going to have a really hard fight because on the trainer so Our preparation has never been forced to fight a four round fight or six round fight or even in eight round. Fight our preparation. Since i started with him as been for him to get to the ten round fights. And that's where we're headed with it. I know by the time we get there. We're gonna get guys that are turning down to fight but I guess some relationships that are you know. Try to call in to help. Secure those fights and also we have the finances to do what is well. Has there been any interests of from networks. Being as though he's with you or that attention hasn't come yet. others has done already done we. Just we just got a few more fights that we need to take care of. We don't want to move ahead of ourselves to make the announcement but we got a few more fights that we need to take care of. And then he's going to a network. Is he going to campaign for a world title at one twenty six. I mean i know. He's fighting at thirty almost slightly above. But i seen him get below that before. So is the plan to fight at one. Twenty six four title. I and then one thirty or zero one hundred and thirty five thirty pounder right now and for the foreseeable. He walks around at one hundred thirty pounds easy. Walk around at one thirty so the plan will be twenty six. I had a conversation with him a few months ago. And i said you know Just because you have the ability to make a hundred and thirty pounds without doing anything. Extra doesn't mean that's where he's gonna fight it and he said i understand coach and so I mean we literally have been able to make a hundred and thirty pounds With minimal minimal work on fight week in we. Actually the last fight had to go a little higher just to get the fight. So i think he came in at thirty three and a half or something just to get the fight because the kid that we were fighting could make thirty but Yeah absolutely he's gonna go down to twenty six so let me. actually is already working with coach. Larry wade or is that as he starts to get bigger fights and the finances come in or is a person that works with can puerto automatically working with coach. Larry wait for strength and conditioning Tell nobody this. I've always been destroyed conditioning guy. That's not a problem for me. So he works with me. I will incorporate. And send him over to larry if i got something going on. If it's a day that i can't be there something or to help sean. You know to have a a train partner in which on that day but You know that that's not an issue. Any problems for him We are building things my way and so with that being the case you know right now is really him. And i we build in that bond. Got a strong bond but seminar doing all the things that we do You know like. I said there are times i i look in see. Sean is just running by himself. For sean is doing condition by itself. And say hey. Let's get you working with sean today. Because it helps both guys to be competitive against each other. So i i got a nice group of guys getting ready to come together and Each guy will be competing against each guy in school. Work out really well for us. I mean is it me or is he big for the five nine. I feel like. Isn't sean five nine five nine. Oh that's wrong. Yeah they got them listed there five nine. They got him. So how lizzy is about five seven. Oh five seven. Five seven and a half. Maybe so what. We've come to appreciate admire. I would say Hardcore fans love about. You know the porter's is that they'll fight anybody. That is what the porter name has made on fighting. Whoever the people think is the toughest fight Do you think that mayhem is going to be brought up in that way. Is it too soon to tell. Because i mean the miniature said one hundred twenty six pounds. I'm like damn you know what. Let me slow down. You said he's really good. And you said his amateur background is extensive. So is he gonna do loma cheng-kuo reagan dow route twelve fights. We could see a title shot. Or is he cannella route thirty five then. We get a title shot night. He's not gonna move out fast because The number one thing is each individual is different. So you have to. Groom each individual differently in preparation. Not only for their body structured their speed their footwork there punching power their endurance. You you you train them. You know according to that right. So i can't say hey go train you. The way trained sean. And we're gonna move away show on the we're gonna do these two. I can't do that or end. Or i can't do what reagan dow or ching-kuo did but what i can do is figure out nerve what i have in him and what his abilities are and then also look landscape of the guys who are ahead of him in the top ten top five in a championship belt. The bill holders see what their fight styles are. What their strengths are and try to work on to improve his in preparation to go after one of those titles. On one of those fighters. So he's not gonna be a guy. I don't foresee him being. A guide is gonna fight for a a world champ title. You know less than twenty fights or anything like that but stranger things have happened. You know We're gonna prepare at this level right here and if we come up short and we right here then we still really doing good so each individual is different. But he has the ability to do a lot of different things and He's finding out about himself because he only one way when he was in the amateurs and now he's starting to find out that he can do different things. He's been successful at it. The reason i is obviously when you say one twenty six you know and and again you being porter in the puertas being known for fighting. That's up his. I think gary russell so i wanted to know. Will he rush is he that loma cheng-kuo riggan dow type of trajectory. Because i want to see someone challenge guy russell rush montgomery but i don't know if you as a boxing fan from the outside looking in. It's like joe. Gary talks to everybody and says everything to anybody. Nobody fights them. So it's like. Wow you got to twenty six pounder is the porter way gonna show in Malinche montgomery you know. But i mean you've explained it like i said i'm just looking for game. Yeah going yeah going back to different things that he has ability to do and a certain way that i have to train him to enhancing make him better things that he already does. Well try to take a little bit away from the things that he may not be as good at. Take some of those. Delete some of those things you know. There is a certain guy. It's not gary russell but there's a certain guy denying that i'm looking at that. I'm actually For that i think he has the ability to do well against. And that's what i'm doing and you know gary's a cute name and everything but that's not the guy that i'm looking at but i am looking at certain people at high levels to prepare him. When he's ten fights from now you know to be able to challenge them or being a position to at least have the compensation definitely definitely so why him can cause. I mean we've only known you to train very small amount of people right. I mean there's there's been guys that have come to your gym and you might have worked with them. But no one stayed long term. I know len roy. Thomas was there for some time should deja green. Maybe who oh. Oh my fifty four pound from connecticut. His name escapes me and he had a tough fight his last time. How can you do you remember. The connecticut won the jewish on in gleason one time and you told me he was working with them from connecticut. Yeah fifty four pounds of come on. You know you know his name. You talking about Kid that was a golden glove. He's on p. b. c. Now he's been on last few fights. Oh my god somebody help me in a chat man now victim. He got like little dreads now but he didn't always. Oh my god. What is his name. Kid was out of new york. And i can visualize but i right but i've never i've never yet. We spar with him that day. That was the same day us far. Right yeah we spar one. But i've never train them or anything like that. Some of those other people that you name i mean. Honestly they weren't able to go through the fire. I mean there's a fire you coming through when you deal with fire. What do you mean by that. the short version. Give you this. I'm trying to get rid of everybody that wanna come to me and train. I don't wanna turn anybody so you know when you come in here. Y'all wanna train. Which i want to do this. You wasted my time wasting my energy. Almost staycationing not vacation. I'm gonna station when i go. I'm gone and then you'll be wasting my money so these things i can't waste the number one thing. I can't waste his time. Because i don't get it back so You know when they come in a cell. I wanna do this. I would love to do. I wanna work with you. I to do this then. I tried to make sure that when we're sparring when we're running. We're doing abdominal work. When we're working on our strength when working on our conditioning that i push them to a level that will show me who they are in if they have the ability to do it not just physically but also mentally so i would tell business which is laying. I call him business. I'll tell him right off the rip get rid of this guy and he knows that he's post. Put the guy on a track and into the ground you know and it just so happens if we back it up all the way back to maliki maliki and i had a relationship. We met each other six years ago. Twenty fifteen one in national golden gloves in las vegas. He came up as a kid. Wanted to say hello. Sean take pitchers that kind of thing we met and it just so happens that over the years will leak withstand touched facebook. Instagram sent a message. Congratulations on a fight of. We had a fight coming up. Good luck on a fight that type of thing and then also shah's mother actually lives in the same city that maliki lives in macon georgia. Someone's sean will go visit his mother. I was say. Make sure you know you. Give them a leaker. Maybe him can hang out a little bit while you down there and he will call and they will get together and do some things like that and then moving forward you know kid came out in the amateurs he finished. Second to T afi on olympic trials. So they fight twice that week You know for the olympic trials spot eating get despite te'o moved on Actually te'o came to our gym and trained with us worldwide him and his dad before he went to Today olympic games and Maliki stayed in contact when things didn't go for him the way they went from a win for four years later to's world champion and maliki was still trying to figure out where it was going e causing he says. Hey you know you give me some help or some advice on my situation with my contracts took like a year to get that situation saddle and once they got settled in. He got out of that in He came out again and we started working. And i haven't been able to get rid of them so he literally lives with me now. He goes on for one week and she's now on sunday. It'll be back this sunday and he'll be back working and then we'll be back fighting next month on the nineteenth at a mr porter. Now shut for this. Is david first off. Thanks for joining us. And those not too bad For those who have not seen me fight. Is anyone that you can compare him to or or anything that sticks out for anybody who might not have seen them fight yet. I know there's going to be the comparisons of sean imported it going to happen. You know i've already got people who said things like that but maliki had an extensive amateur background in. He did a lot of good things in the amateurs he wanted. Aso go gloves two times. He finished runner-up one time. So he almost wanted three years in a row and of course he wanted olympic spot and he fought in the world series of boxing. He did a lot of international competition as well so he has a lot of things that he already came to the table. It but even then people were saying dead. He fought a little. Bit like sean. That's going to happen. I get it they gonna make. The comparison is easy comparison. A mate He says one is favorite fighters. Is aaron pryor well. People that's a throwback right right people have said you know you know. Sean fought like him at some point time when he was growing up in ohio or reminded him of prior. So for me right. Now we're trying to find the identity of me. We haven't got that yet in it's gonna take fifteen twenty twenty twenty five fights to actually settle into that right because the way he's fighting now in as six round fight in also knowing that would probably going to get the guy out of there before we get to six. That's given him a certain way to fight but then as he moves to eight or ten rounder in some more veteran fighter who has the ability to defend who has the ability to protect themselves. Better who has ability to time leak up. Those are things that we're gonna have to work on to prepare him for that type of fighter so the next guy. We may fight that. I received a name on today. Actually fought she corps. And i gotta go back and study. The guy haven't done that yet and look at his box. Reckon everything but he actually she core. So that's gonna give us a more. How long how many. They just sent me to name this morning. I glanced at it on the box. Wreck can't look at it now. 'cause you guys on on a on the phone but There's nobody that really stands out. That i could say he actually fights like at this point in time. I can see where himself likes. Aaron pryor and i could see that you know there may be some thoughts there and i could see where people have said you know. He fights like sean. He has the ability to punch heart eastern. Asia's he's a come forward fighter. He's a fan friendly fighter from that standpoint. He's he's a strong guy for his weight class and he also has the ability. I think probably one is best assets. If not the best is he has the ability to take information and transferred not only transfer it from the rain From from the corner to the actual fight. But he's got the ability to transfer what i'm asking him to do on a patch. What i'm asking him to do on the bag. What i'm asking you to do on the track what i'm asking him to do In sparring sessions. He has the ability to take that information. And it's not something. I even have to repeat which you know. I'm kinda trying to be real careful with that. Like i okay. He's able to pick this up and he's actually go out to do it right then and even if i yell it out he does it right then but what happens when you move into the ten round fight in somebody shows how different look from what i'm saying and he's not able to so those things right there these were working on but there's nobody in particular that stands out but he's definitely A fan favorite of you're a hard puncher fighter I think Well i don't think i know te'o fema lopez senior said that effort is signing a great fight in olympic trials in said that he thought the kid has the ability to become a world champion. Can we got one from the people. It's coach myers in connecticut. Who says is victim. Morale is still signed to your promotional company. I know that that was the first spider. Sean signed and he's fourteen own now any updates. And last time. I seen victim post. Something on social media was two thousand and nineteen in september was a picture of the three union. Said he was team porter. Is he still team. Puerto signed with us. It was no he never did. He never actually signed with us Victor and his family our friends in when we still You know support. Each other from the distance but victor never signed with victor. Never trained with us. Victory never worked out with us not one day. Not one time What did happen is there was a verbal agreement We put him into fights and You know they decided that they thought they you know. Do it their way. And we're okay with that. They moved on. And you know they're doing it that way and What way does he find it. victor i would have to check it but i think one thirty right. No i'm wrong. i'll know who knows. It might be a nice fight day for us but now looks a little smaller than one thirty. And that's why you said. I mean one thirty would be One twenty six if he's smart. But let's see victor more liz. That's my mom's last name now. He's a good kid that mom his love all love him but they never never actually signed with us. You know that was something that was disgusting. People ran a well twenty six for sure but they hang on. Take that fight right. One twenty six. Would you put mayhem in victim mode morales right now. Who's fourteen in. Oh with seven big wins by. Ko get a few more fights. But yeah. i'd i'd actually consider that. Yeah we definitely need some more fight. Stuff by kids ain't now and You know we got some steps to take in his taken those those small steps to get up to where these guys. He's planning a little bit of catch-up you know as he came out at it came out of that class. Pto and he's a little bit behind you know. He looked up four years later in need in have their fights that he expected to have at that time. But if you look at the box. I'll be moving in you know as you Alluded to earlier He's scheduled again next month in month after that we got another one from plain view. Texas big supermax. Well he said dropped the big. He's down thirty pounds. Said supermac says mr porter. How many more fights do you anticipate sean having left. He's at the level where it's really big fights. Only plus commentary gigs. Yeah you know you don't really well with and he re signed with them and then he got to deal with. Nbc is great because he's been able to get paid without getting punched He's had numerous occasions this year. Where he worked for both networks and they put him on a private planning to go to the other network in codified as well and he just got chosen to call the olympics. So that's huge Well well before. Any of that happened which is great. But we'll be finding that happened to him. And i had discussions a few years back that you know when he started getting into that. Thirty two thirty three three-year-old reigns it would be time for him to transition onto whatever else he was planning on doing so this worked out really well for him It's all big fights if we have to take a fight like we took a guest the guy from germany because of the pandemic yeah it was because of the pandemic. And it's you know it's the way of the world at this point in time If bob and top rank A willing to put together. This fight with terence crawford and make it You know make it A good situation for for sean. We definitely want to take that fight. And i would say he's probably in a two to three fight range then he's done with this and that's not because of anything other than you know No one is to do this. You know favor this this all sports take a toll on your body and this one is you know. Wanted definitely takes a toll on yourself you. You've been running thousands of miles all your life and you've been hitting a bag thousands around you've been spine thousands of rounds of at some point in time you have to look at your life and say okay. Should i be moving on to other things. So he's doing really well with the tv and that's his transition is coming in gone coming along real smooth. That's direction it'd be going. He's probably looking at two or three big fights than he's done with this all right. So wow two or three big fights now i mean you spoke of the crawford fight. Sean hasn't fought since august of twenty. Twenty we are in february. That's about six months. There's nothing scheduled for him Would you want to see him. Get a tune up or is it straight into the crawford fight if those alleged headlines of pack. Yao and crawford Being negotiations if that doesn't happen. I mean i'm assuming they're gonna lean to the to the wbo mandatory right are you. Are you guys the mandatory. You is has have to be called. What's the situation there. I don't know honestly. I didn't look into it. You know when. Bob called in our. We had a few conversations in any state. Let's get together and sit down and talk in person we did. We didn't discuss if there was a mandatory situation anything. We just discussed it as something that we could do. both sides want to do and so That's pretty much hot I didn't look into anything else. Because i didn't deem it necessary to find out. If we mandatory we gotta stump are flipping. Make somebody fighters As far as that's concerned shaw bar with me. Nass week before leaks fight Charles bar with maliki another guy. He went eleven rounds. Didn't have to take a deep breath so he's doing really good in his conditioning in his spine It won't be a problem for us to go right into that fight and fight because it's the best thing for us if we have to take a fight it'll be the best thing for us in those guys can continue to sit and watch and try to figure it out but You know he'll be fighting soon. I suspect We don't know how that's gonna go with with tariffs but yeah definitely shaw will be. I mean let me ask you did. Did bob try to offer you a multi ideal like he did wilder to make that first fury. I mean second fury fight or are the conversations for one fight. Nah we didn't discuss anything. More than just sean. In tears is that something you'd be open to if he went old-fashioned around like oh let's build it up. Let's put them on. Espn not really. I don't really have an interest in that. I mean it's a it's a deal with. I mean with terence sean. And that's it. I mean we don't really. I don't think at this point time. You know as we've as i said earlier. I don't think at this point time. Sean is not god is going to be sticking around for another six fights so you know you're not you're not gonna lock is you. We're not trying to get locked into anything with anybody. We're trying to make our way through these last two years. A him fighting in transition to what he does not what. Tv the sean and puerto that existed a few years ago. I is that person still there that energy or was that to be in this position. Not you know not only where. You're like a mandatory for like three different bells. But you know. Sean has obviously the fox gig. And and what i mean is there was a time. Where sean chase thurman a time. We're sean got on a plane to come to brooklyn chase. Danny are those days behind them because financially. He's made it and you don't need to chase or will we ever see sean chase crawford and you know demand the fight with crawford to ask him. You know if that's the route he wants to go Well you because you know. Obviously for the key i don't know but you were local matt. Kief and danny like you wanted those fights for your son is finding you think sean can be just as much as you thought he can those guys and if you look back in you know i really don't want to stay away from anything negative but i just wanna to touch on some real quick if you recall in used to get people making the comments than his dad is in the camera. His dad is talking. His dad is doing nisus. Dad is doing that. Ness mckee wasn't a talker. He wasn't gonna talk. He didn't have nothing to say he didn't wanna talk. So we wasn't gonna get no is done wasn't going to happen because he wasn't a talk. If you go back as early as the adrian bronner fight when brunner was talking. You know smack sean. Sean didn't say anything so for the people that you know. Say that kind of stuff. I'm i'm sorry guys. Mike wasn't going to say nothing so we weren't gonna be able to fight. Nobody just wanted to talk wasn't his way he had actually grow into that to where he's at now to feel comfortable to say the things that he says do the things that he does I had to push for him to go to new york either. Push him to do a lot of those things when he stepped up and he started doing any got more comfortable with it you know. It became something that he realized man. I should have done this a long time ago because used to say all the time. Yeah you know. John needs to be more vocal charentes to say things. John needs to call these guys out I have to talk to him and see. If that's you know the route to go for tense as far as i'm concerned You know he's he's grown into the position that he has now with a podcast. Nbc with the fox sports. And if he said you know. I think we need to push harder for the squad fight. I'm with that. Why because he's at that point in his career where you need these big fights you need these big guys to solidify your career to be able to walk away from this and say you did everything that you wanted to do. You get everything you had. And now you've got no regrets but the only way to do that is to actually fight the guys. And that's what makes this era of these fighters. Great is fighting each other. It's not just you know. Being undefeated fighter. In fighting dream machine or being undefeated fighter and fighting brooke. He's not the that we don't have to be you know it's about fighting these guys. Why they're pizza terrorists. Sean are at the same aged level. Right now Danny and sean danny and and and Thurman all of these guys are right at that same as they need to fight each other so for me if he wants to do it. I'm all waited one thousand percent. If he wants to push even harder. I was talking to him. Just before. I got on with you guys today and i say you know what if this thing does start to materialize. You know maybe you wanna start looking at Somebody else that you might wanna fight. You know any. Yeah if you if you think. That's what i should do. But now today. I have a conversation with him Amy i was talking to nest. Yeah yeah yeah. I was talking to ness. And they're said. Hey remember when you when it keith. Remember when you when you got on a plane when after danny may to birth oh to that was december twenty. One shooter danny was scared. So i'm like yo if maybe if word ocean or maybe you need. Yeah so. I said you know i'm i'm speak to and say amen said that. Have you need to go back and reassess that and put some heat on these guys you know. 'cause i mean literally i even forgot about the borough situated. We we facetime with burt. Oh he was on a toilet. This incipient since you're going to bring me up to sean salam. I would love to be a guest on his podcast. So i can further expand my brand but i got another one for you right. We got you should be on his podcast. You deserved. i'm joking reserve it humbled. And i would appreciate it if i could be on. Talk some boxing with sean. But let me get some more. I got for you from ingram. I believe it's compton. Says since you've been in the game so long amateurs in pros. I'm sure you've seen media evolve change greatly. What advice are you giving your newest prospects to deal with. Today's media good question. That's an excellent question. what's his name partner. Do ingram okay from compton i'm content. Wow okay company. In england right company a constant. I think california that don't sound like a question from compounds. What's not his excellent question in in Actually i'm going to be doing with with my guys. Maliki the first one. But i got a group of guys. I'm actually having a training camp on the seventh. An assessment camp on his seventh of march to the thirteenth and fourteenth of margin assessment. Can't wear a group of guys coming in. We do an assessment on strength conditioning. We're doing this assessment on punching power techniques. What do you mean assessment. How you gonna. I was technical for the two thousand twelve olympic team. My job was to make sure that each guy on the team had all of these basic fundamentals down balance punching a speedy offense defense. All of these things had to be in place. That was my job right so also i did that. And i studied all the guys from the other countries. So i studied low minchenko and i studied all these other guys from these other countries. And if you metal if you got a bronze and silver gold. I had this study film on you and i had to break it down. I had to do an assessment of it and then it was sent to. The olympic was sent to the olympic training center. They put it in a computer so that you could pull up each fighter and read this sussman on him if he was left handed if he was right ended if he was tall if he was short if he was inside fighting was outside finding fused departure fused boxer all of these things. So i do those same assessments with my guys to see where their skill levels at would've speeds at where the power is at where conditions Side one two five one to ten. How are you ranking them. Is it a number system. Like how are you assessing laser with. That's words no actually. Actually it would be like good a week or great. You know Not numbers but like you know. Good week great. You know that kind of thing but you know there's so many more assessments that we have to do which we'll get done that week but there's assessments that we do on. I'm their blood work to find out. You know different types of things that they are going on with their blood you know if they're lower deficient in any iron low and deficient in calcium or anything of that nature Their hydration. I mean this is. Our lot is a a lot of things that we do but you know they got to get to that point where i feel like i put my time energy and money into them to pay for those type of tests. You know what i mean. But you know maliki getting to that level now where we're going to have his blood work done to find out you know what foods are good for him and his buddies metabolising in comparison to some foods that you know for example We found out some years ago that you know when shawn is eating salads it does him no good at all so we switched the salad. Yeah because he gets no nutritional value from it when he's trying to lose weight right suissa salad to spinach and broccoli and carrots and things of that nature and cauliflower that actually can get nutrition nutrition nutrients from sodas this assessment camp. That i got coming up is what i'll be doing to See what levels. These guys are at where they're going what they're going to be doing actually leaks got brother who was to in. Oh is undefeated is to will get caught up in the same situation as me with a contract. But he's gonna be coming to the campus as well so molise brother may be doing something with us. David maldonado. I'm sorry bagged up muslim. I didn't ask you the question. The question was how to prepare these guys to deal with the media. So that's something that. I've already started join with leak. And he's probably done fifteen interviews in the last six to eight weeks but with what we're doing is we're actually getting into them taking media classes and some of my guys two of them They've got to Get tutors to teach them how to speak english because they're dominican and they don't speak One thirty and one fifty four possibly the fifty four possibly make forty. Seven won't know that until i do an assessment on his actual weight new fighters or already existing pros. They're part of the dominican olympic program narrow training with that program right now a facility in everything but we just got word this week that they were cleared for their visas which we've been waiting on that through immigration. We've been waiting on. Add about three months so these two guys One of them Actually has some wins over in the amateurs over some big name fighters that you may have heard of elvis rodriguez and devin haney. Yes and their their brothers and so yeah so we so we're going to classes. Let me just finish that one so we can be done with putting together media classes to actually help teach them how to deal with the media and the proper protocols that they should be want so i put a person place that already has been working with the league that actually sets up his interviews and cause him and text them to remind him at interviews in our prior to interview sets it up with Me again also. The person he's interviewing with and You know that's just the start of the but the best suggestion. I can give stay away from the social media and only do social media Where it benefits you just not. you know. Taking the pitches in front of the cars with the money. Now right david. Maldonado says congrats mr porter. You have done a great job with your son. God willing if the fight with crawford does happen. He you know if the does happen. Will you guys work on something new. Because in my opinion sean fights bud. The way he fought spends all due respect. I see bud stopping him and beating him. In the same way he did felix ideas man and spence. then we'll really decide to move the one fifty four as far away as possible from that type of smoke. Good luck why is it. When they say do respect then they go right into disrespect this in into. What's the guy's name. David maldonado david. I appreciate that. Use your name in the club. Next time when i'm near the asked me i am maldonado And that's it. Use your name in a club but I get it Just the short version. I can give you on that. David is we always working on something. You haven't seen everything we can do. You know and contrary to what you think or everyone else thinks you know. Everyone has an opinion. That's what boxing is opinion boxes. Not in sport it's business and everyone in. It has an opinion so actually at the end of each row. Four judges sitting around there give their opinion. They don't actually score. The punches were landed. They don't actually score their punches orlando clean. They actually just give their opinion of who they thought one around. And i think the rate cronan around. That's my opinion that's it. It's not broken down to any number where football basketball baseball we can actually see the score going on board and we know what it is. So that's an opinion. Your opinion is welcomed as well. That's what makes these shows you know. Good shows because people give their opinions We're always working on something different. You can't see everything we've done or anything we're gonna do in a fight And i think Sean showed a lot of different things that he did against aerospace. And if you go back and look at it maldonado. I think sean landing more punches on anybody to earl ever been hit with in his professional career. I'm looking forward to the same unity with book crawford If but can deal with that. Sean got yet. We got some more things that he hasn't seen but It has always going to be something new. But yeah i i mean. Think about this for second ness when his. But for anyone like sean he hasn't. That was gonna be my question to you. And i was an accident more like like for you to teach me 'cause i normally go off resume and to me. I'm looking at man sean. Been through the real fire while hasn't been able to fire off. So when does that make a difference is his skill. And i mean terence just that great did it doesn't matter the level of ponies been in wit or does it matter who you fought it does and then you have to balance that out see because when i hit you and your mouth your reaction to getting hit in the mouth is going to determine what happens next right so in this particular situation when you have a guy such as terence that is very very highly skilled. No doubt about that right. I think he's power. Wanted to tie fighters if not the top fighter in the world right and i know that he has audio intangibles. But they're still something that's missing when you go to that next level of fighter that you have in fought and we won't know what happens until he gets hit in the mouth and how he reacts to that. We know what happens when shaw gets hit in the mouth by those top level guys. We know what happens when shawn comes after those top level guys we know what type of fights sean. Going being at some point time with anybody fights with so those still some questions that we don't know about parents. I just wanted to have the opportunity to ask the questions in. Sean wants the opportunity to to to take that fight and show what he can do so You know. I think that's an exciting fight for so many different reasons. But that's one of the perfect reasons right there. Tears hasn't been in there with anybody that gave him real adversity right. So we have seen a little bit. Something maybe with Degree machine where. It is debatable. Knock down in the fight right. Yes yes i type. Until he was a knockdown. I loved to tease bud. Fans that it's a knockdown. Okay so let's say just for example. You're in a fight with sean in anything to that effect happy. You don't even have to go down. He's on your ass again no matter what if you take that half step back. He's coming to see you. We don't know how but reacts to that type of situation until it actually happens and another great thing about us being Have an opportunity to fight him is he. Can't find anyone. No one can find anyone that can spark like we fight. 'cause we change things like this. We're costs leaking right so a guy that switches size from orthodox to southport. I teach my kid as soon as you as soon as you make this up. He's on your ass. I teach guys that as soon as you make the step. He's on years most of the guys that but fight give him time to change and set setup and do what he wants to do so that sorta like take the gun. Loaded up shoot. I'm not giving you that time. We're not going to give him that. Time so That's a situation again. That excites me. Just to know that a guy wants to try to switch styles. And i've been working with my guy for fifteen years on as soon as i switched to be on his ass. What about the fact that people will say. Well you know earl. Put them bona. Put them down yougov. Put him down and crawford's on a nine. I think fight knockout streak right now. He's he's on a ten minutes is he's been knocking people out since uh shit john molina so one two three four five six seven. Eight straight knockouts. Well first of all you guys didn't police are now. John was bouncing a certain way in moved to certain way. But he didn't go down wasn't a knockdown second of all brunner cleanly sean down. I told you to go out there. And his business in the last round and he went out there and he had a mental block would just decided to use. This gonna move around in guy through apart. It landed He looked at me. And say yeah you right. I didn't do what you said it happens. Aero spence lands killer shot sean and as you remember sean was land flat on his face. That didn't happen. Sean was on his bat. No that didn't happen. Sean was on his knees. That didn't happen. Shawn's gloved touch canvas. I'll take that dog right there in any fight right. I'll take that dog in any fight. An when he got up clapping his hands said bring that shit. Let's go. i'll take that dog at any fight. I'll take that dog in detail. Coffee fight. I'll take that dog in a rematch with aero spins. I'll take that dog in any fight. Right so i don't worry about that. I don't whatever again. It's opinions of course because his boxing whatever anybody's opinions prove it. Do it going to rain if the guy can pull it off. And he's able to pull it off and he's able to do. Our team will give respect to that but us talking about it means nothing but i do know because i trained guy situations. He's been through. That prepares him for this level of fight. So he's prepared because he's been through that fire already. He's been through those those championship fights he's got. I don't know twenty thirty championship rounds. Forty forty fifty championship. Maybe more than that. So he's ready. He'll be ready Are they gotta do say yes to the fight. Make it. You know reasonable. Everybody involved so that doesn't bother me off shawn porter a path a pound fight in your mom because you said terrence john quarter beats towns crawford. He becomes one But for me at that point or even now doesn't matter honestly. I mean i don't want to take away from anything that anybody else's doing or however they want it to be in a powerful power or even being You know in the conversation with it. That doesn't motivate me or push. Anything that i do at all Opportunity having the opportunity to be on a big stage against the best guys. Winning thing is over with. If you can say sean porter for these guys and he showed well he did. Great and it's debatable situation. Whether he lost this vital that final you you know he ain't blown out by nobody you know. He did what he was supposed to do. He walks away from this healthy then with it. Because i didn't get into this. I didn't bring him into this. Ever be a professional boxer. That was never my intent at all. So everything that we're doing is like extra and i could not have written a better script. People say what do you want your life to be. We don't get to choose parents. We don't get to choose mile. We don't get to choose dad. We're not in mom's valley. Santa all. I want my mom to be a teacher and a woman dad to be an nfl football player. We don't get to choose at. What have we get when we get out here. Your mom's on drugs if you dad's in the streets if he's not raising you that's what you get. You will get no choices here. If i can scripted thing out if i get to write this out myself and mike kid boxes professionally becomes a world champion twice makes exceptional money to put yourself in a position that he can own property and take care of his family things like that. Buy a house across the street from me literally. I can see my son's house from my bedroom window or my kitchen window. Migraine grandkids can walk around the corner on. Walk across the street to see me play with my dogs. I couldn't have written this out any better. My son works for fox sports. Nbc and he walks away from this. I couldn't have written this out any better. I'll take this over anything else or anybody else's career that they got. I'll take that because at the end it is deal. That's what the real life is about. what world what. What's really important. Is the fact that i got my son living across the street from me. I got my grandkids my daughter-in-law and we live our life. Boxing's over but we live our life. Happy in healthy We have ruined five four. Who says why. No spence rematch. That's the one that needs to be run back. Why does porter never get a rematch. Because it's like jumping out of a plane for the first time once you get on the grind. You said woo. I may that i never doing that again. Right nobody wants to rematch right. I i i'm not gonna say any names. But as a champion going into which they don't they don't don't want a rematch. So you saying that when you said we wanna rematch closer said the fights if you want a rematch on no fight fight buddy fight right so it's a business. Get i mean wasn't as successful. Are the rumors true that it did over. Two hundred and seventy five thousand page views is that is that not considered a success is it was successful at the gate at the staple center successful in the pay per views. How many tickets that excel. And it's the. I don't know but it's still a fight. Is there to be made. I don't think no. I know that they didn't want to take that fight after he was in. An accident nodded. He's got one fight out of the way you know. Maybe they are a little more lenient to the consideration of or You know we we pull off the task cross victories surprise people and then you know he considered taking the fight again or just from the business standpoint because it made money wants to crowd star coming back out you know. Maybe i'll go back to people that are in place and say. Hey listen we want to rematch. And then we're done with this deal so those are the only big fights that are there for us. You know at this point I i don't dream about Or fool myself into believing we're going to get a manny. Pacquiao fight showers giving manny pacquiao hill when he was twenty one in camp with him. That's not something that they're going to do But blake crawford and also aerospace rematch. Those are definitely fights that we wanna have You know the business has not us to even have conversations about rematch at this point. But you know maybe it'll change. Am i wrong in saying like does as oh oh you guys a big fight for always being the guy not afraid to get in there with with whoever your acts like is there a way out can tho. You guys do you guys bone now that he's been elevated. Could we see. Because i mean everyone is obviously thinking earl spends versus guys now for the last bell and then he'll go fight crawford but you know with all that you've done can you guys get thrown that guy's rematch as a bone or that's off the table as well okay again. I hadn't thought about that. I think i'm getting card night. Like listen nazi. You should throw us a bone to fight uganda's because in that will give sean another championship. Then that would mass bigger than really is back on paper unification. i mean it makes all the sense in the world if especially if they're going to stay in the bubble but that's what i'm saying like shouldn't you be donor bone. Look sean is the only. Pbc fighter stepping up saying no. I'll fight him. I'll go over there absolutely absolutely. But he won't wanna know who is. No i mean should tell him. We had three conversations. I'm the guy that begs for interview. The my story was if i get one interview with you is going to change. My life was anything you want off air but not on camera. I'm like damn i'm begging. You tell them after we get off this phone number. Need you to be calling me like every now and again. Just like your kin. You should try this. Nah for real idea. Because look this is how you sell it to out all gas and earl right now. Don't make no sense. Don't nobody know i love them. I'm latino just moved to florida so shout out to my cubans. But we don't know you. So i was actually telling the same thing like you. 'cause he's another dude al's used for the inaugural everything inaugural fox inaugural cbs inaugural espn. So it's like damn sure he told you about you. Know you can't hurt right now. nobody wanna fight you. You might need that bill. Can you fight. August because earl. Saying i'll never fight you so now if you get the belt maybe early fight. Also the same thing goes for you. Guys is not the popular. When i'm not trying to disrespect them. If they wanna keep earl on pay per view which obviously seems to be the plan. His last three fights have been on pay per view. I mean the numbers have been declining. You don't wanna go again. Pay per view guys and then look like you flopped. I'm in that is my opinion. And obviously you know in agreement with you not go. That way did not gonna go that way. isn't things i can say to you off air as far as as concerned as well. But that's a that's definitely a phone call to make an almost just for shits and giggles say nest said. Who's kidding who is vermont him. I'm the one that knew he was going to give you that. Devon alexander fi before they called you way back in the day. Let him know that. Tell them we need them on the show me. We need bigalow aloe baby but let me keep it moving for you cut our time. We got another one from big casualty. Says what's up coach. Would sean consider moving up to one. Hundred and fifty four and challenging the wb l. champion costano. If he is not able to get a big fight at one forty seven it would be a good fight for sean legacy wise. He could be a world. Champion in another division has donald. I don't know anything about in name recognition at this point. He's tough he he people think he pro. I mean right now. He's starting to bubble. He ain't hot but he's gonna bubble people think he beat lowered then he just beat the brakes off patrick syria and remember. That's the last belgian charleston. Of somehow. Sean wins that bell. Urine undisputed conversation with jamaal charles. Oh and backup against derek james. A second phone call you to make stupid. You would hope flex no. I don't deny at this point you know is somebody was asking earlier you know. I don't see my kid fighting for five times. So i don't see my kid you know or my my fighter You know trying to move up in weight class and you know Start all over again. When he's got you know big money fights in his weight class this going to pay him more money than he gets. Moving up against that guy You know earlier in the career maybe at this point. No at this point. We're just looking at you. Know the big name the the the the money that is pay him and then he's going to move on so he's not sticking around this thing. We're not going to be doing this thing to three years from now. This is not for me You know the new crop of guys young guys that. I guess it'll be mentoring term. You the using them You know to train with and things like that and it'd be moving also You know his. He's created these options in these opportunities for herself. So the opportunity to fight opportunity to fight spence again hell we'd rematch we rematch Berman and You know not in essence mentioned the W w with gas. You know maybe a consideration but you know it's gotta be those guys. It's not going to be moving up in weight class to somebody with no name. Recognition for less money also leverage. Right like bob now knows that al is looking the line you guys he had to make it worth your while to fight crawford who desperately needs a welterweight opponent. You know you fighting guys is only doing what you already do. Fight in top welterweight main. So i don't know it's definitely you know some stuff to think about. We got a couple more supreme not to think about. I'm making a call necessarily go. Tell them you know. Get me a job supreme taxes. What's up coach shaun's last fight. He showed a different side of himself superior. Footwork and boxing skill. Will we get this show on every fight or was it. This was this just to showcase. It was there and coach. Please don't shut down. The port away podcasts. I don't know why he said. Oh did you say he was going to stop sean from doing this. Show now i. I never said anything like that was going on now against the last guy that we fought I looked at it just a little bit of film on. And i said okay. We're going to implement some different things we're gonna do some different things And they you know show his ability to do things that people are not aware that he does but You know is fight specific. That's term. I like to use that. I haven't heard any other coaches us but As five specific with the guy that we're fighting will do specific things to his style or the way he fights With a bud crawford Because he does switch styles. We're going to have to do some things. That are five specific to keep him off balance when he switches styles it'd be a great opportunity To showcase not necessarily boxing skill against. But because i don't think we go to fight with bud and we tried to outsmart him box him. What it Gives us an opportunity to do is to show that we can keep him off balance when he does decided he's going to switch that he's got to deal with a lot more than he normally is comfortable with and make him uncomfortable would be the key to fight. I think with but make him uncomfortable. I never given him the chance to get comfortable in certain style or To get off so if from orthodoxy south pie he's looking for time to set it up when he switches not to allow him to have that time all right. We got another one from steve in the uk says a does shawn is fly fashion sense from you mr porter thanks for coming on the show champ. I started off but he took you somewhere else man. Sometimes i is do some stuff. And i'd be like oh man i can. I couldn't do that. Text be like a red suit. Sean ridge shoes in. He'll text me back right on air. I mean before they start takes me bag. Say yeah but everybody's going to be talking about it so a lot of times. He does stuff That are over the top that he he's doing that to get attention. But when you know we will when we and amateurs. My boys were known in the amateurs at fourteen years old. They go to colorado or or national tournaments where they had to fly. My boys always of my sons always had to fly with suits. We all were suits. So my son didn't wearing suits. Since he's fourteen years old on his amateur boxing trips to the national he always had to wear suits and so Olympic coast told me one time is like man you know. That's so funny. Everybody used to laugh. Shaun you guys will get off the plane. You would wear suits when you come into the nationals. At fourteen and fifteen years old he said. Now i see sean has his own suit line. And he's wearing these suits on tv. It makes sense and it was this something that we We started a long time ago. So yeah he did. Get it for me We when we thought we were signing victor. We took victor sue shopping. And we took victim hollywood and we bought him three suits with three ties. Three shirts in three belts and I think i might have been posted. He'd put up he was wearing wanted to suits in. He said you know t- import thank you for the soup but Yeah and i think that He he got it for me but took it somewhere else might took it somewhere. I will go mr porter. You still hear here. I'm quite sooner man sam. Is that a west virginia. Undo as new york says but Lately all we hear is As a fire comes to bug crawford as your son and many pack. Yeah do you think. Bob is talk and bs when it comes to pack. Yeah you think that fight can even actually happen In in the middle east you see. The headline. The pack wants forty million. He said i think he's talking. But i know he wants to talk to existence. He wants be optimistic in. He wants to try to make it happen so i think he's probably exploring the possibility that but i mean i like i never put that information out but we received from calls from people abroad in different places who say they got lots of money and you know you see my hands around your hair right and you know they want to do this and they wanna do that you know what would it take for you guys to take the fight against this guy. You've got to take the fight against that. Got some of the same people were talking about right now and i sure do it come on. Let's go ahead. let's get it started in will receive something in an email. This is oh we just want you guys to come over here and we'll pay you this much. Come just to take pitches and hang out. Yeah we'll do that too and it kinda doesn't go anywhere you know so molly thing to that. Is you know as far as people in the middle east. That want to say they can do this. And if it's the prince. Oh the king or the queen or the diplomat so the multi billionaires or whatever my only thing is how many fights i'll actually how many fights can you say that they've actually put together. I can only think of two diesel off all my head. Yeah that's going to be amir. Khan billy and avi. Oh no three. They had the whole dad. The final two boxes super series where that's groves and callum smith eilly trophy and rider than they had. Aj fury to in rider. And then they. I mean aj vs and then they had. Uh billy did in american somewhere out. The okay saudi. They've done a couple. But i mean supposedly joshua can since you talk in the suits earlier. You didn't say the name of the company for people to get him of the suk youssou company. You guys are soup. Company is hit him. Up on showtime sean p on instagram any instagram facebook twitter. If you hit with a dm or any of those we can go from there and get it done and it's just like said person such as yourself If you wanted we'd have our got contact you he find your zip code. Seen you to a a taylor in areas to get your measurements you get the measurements in in after we get the measurements and everything done then. We have them discuss what you colors and things like that material you picked out and put it together from there. We don't even have to be there. You don't have to come to us We have coach myers good afternoon can is there actual real negotiations going onto five bud crawford and did sean really turned down. Two million dollars to buy crawford could questions. I liked that. I liked the i like that. Good questions. okay so first of all no. We never turned down two million dollars boom all the headlines never turned down to me dollars. Second of all two million dollars was never offered man. If i say. I got a raccoon that can fight isn't and i put him on damn instagram and everybody was on kenny ports training raccoon. Shit just runs. They run with stuff so no first of all. We never offered it to me. Second of all we would never turn. We never turned down to me dollars. So you know. And then they put your picture up there in his see sean. He turned down to dollars. Dad never happened is you do know that. He said on his podcast though that one million dollars is disrespectful and even starting the conversation at two million dollars. Disrespectful sean said and and i i'm not gonna say that's different from him actually turning it that and that's what i defended. I said listen. You can say you won't take nothing because there wasn't anything formerly Offered an right like he's turning down two million dollars we don't know if actual offer comes to what they say. Look it's two million guaranteed plus pay per view upside after you sell two hundred whatever amount of pay per view you know then you get an upside or whatever you can get on the back end you know what i mean yeah. Espn app might even be in there. We don't know so note so that never happened. Those two things never happen as far as actual negotiation. I wouldn't say what negotiation. I definitely have multiple conversations Over all would miss the And then He invited me to office. And we sat for good forty five minutes and discuss things and I'm sure we'll be discussing again. Probably next week when i get back to town can so forty five minutes. I'm sure whatever the secondary conversation. It's no longer about money. You guys have agreed on money because you having a second conversation now now we have. Oh okay it not. We have not. We haven't discussed the money. We haven't discussed the percentages. We haven't discussed we have had some discussions about maybe venues by maybe cities Networks things that nature. It's abroad conversation. It's not we haven't had any direct. Here's what you know. You could get what he get. You know what everybody wants. No that hasn't happened so just make sure you tell him. You know that and other promoters have been putting on fights. There are cities and states that are allowing fans Earl and danny you know had sixteen thousand right and or no actually. They had more right than they have more. Who don't know. I know i know earl had very close to twenty in texas during the pandemic coming off of a car accident so you know but as a ticket seller in nebraska sean has sewn tickets in the staple center. He sold tickets in new york city. Sean is universally known that. I don't think there's an issue with sean bean. No he just did a successful pay per view. So let bob. No 'cause i'm just telling you this in advance. Because he said in interviews like oh now is not the right time we need fans. Well guess what buddy. Everybody's doing fans in florida and in texas so we can do it like canals fighting saturday with fans. You know it's happening in florida and texas. Oh that shouldn't be an excuse. If you meet a man i mean. Listen if you want me to be there. I will be there. I will be there in a heartbeat. You know i would bring up millions and millions of reasons why this is a fantastic fight you know. I think it's a great. But i don't wanna talk talking. Let me get. I'm talking about miami saturday. Oh no but the box. Invoices approved daniel alvarez. The las vegas correspondent that you know he's mexican he's gonna be in attendance and is approved. I you know. I like to do it from the tv. I like to feel like when you're ringside especially me. I'm a hustle. I this is my third live already. So if i'm at a fight i'm not watching a fight. I'm trying to see. Where's ken where sean is. That url oh my god. That's michael hunter. Wait let me get to you. Know it doesn't even matter if it's an executive. I like to interview them all big little small so i'm not getting to watch the fight. I got to either pay for the pay per view or put it on. Dvr comeback and watch it. and i love commentary. I wanna know what they're saying right like lasts maybe week ward was russian. Big baby jared anderson. The new big baby. He was like oh you know he maybe should go for the kill. And it's like dude. Some days we tell fighters work behind the jab. Then i two words behind jab in his in his guy up he's bleeding on television. What is what television wants. Now you're telling them to go for the knockout which he eventually got anyway. I don't know. I just like to hear it because then i get to criticize it but back to the questions we got mr. Pbc the says what's up boss. Dog boss hogg. Please make it happen regardless of the money. Two point five million dollars is a deal. Let's make sean showtime primetime always on terence crawford mind porta great again and boxing. Great again and pbc will always be so. He's saying guide next for two point. Five million make that happen man. If i want to point five after ask three so anyway. That's another conversation. But let's talk deserving dole. You said you want to point five. X three cow brooke as a negotiation which. I'm just trying to say kell brook a guy. You guys face. Many many moons ago. I don't think he is at the top of the welterweight division anymore. And it's you know pretty documented. He was able to get two million. Does that make you feel. Secure that financially. These negotiations won't be an issue. I can't say. I feel secure about anything at this point but i do. She showed the conversations have gotten started. Started off good You know. I've sat in the offices. We've had some gay communication so moving forward You know this is making right and we can get it done I don't know. What what what bob is really doing. You know now. He's you know. I'm seeing things where he actually heard him say that You know the middle east is making an offer for packy out so you know He also said. I heard him say that out of his mouth that you know. He liked the conversation that he had with us but We're on hold right now. Until he sees what happened with that which makes sense for terrence if he could get Blood could get the pack. I'll fight it makes sense for him to try to explore that. Make that happen. I mean you as a guy in the bit like. Do you even believe packbell. Crawford is going to happen being like he was already on top. Rank pack was and never gave coffered that shot now all of a sudden pack. Yeah leaves i mean also get stripped. If i'm gonna fight crawford and now many pack yow wi will do it for a unification charge more. i'm going to allow myself to strip. I'm not gonna call the wbz. And say hey. I'm negotiating for unification that trumps everything air quotes right. Like what do you believe. The pat. Gal i i call it s. I don't i think it's bullshit calling. Call shit i i. I lean towards you on that. Thank you because like you just said why. Why would you allow yourself to get stripped and you could make the phone call and say hey listen when negotiating this. They'll stop that immediately. Shut everything down. They'll stop they won't strip you and let you go ahead and make your negotiation. You know in in go from there. So yeah right. We have andres undress undress undress who says It seems like any contests with terence crawford. Ultimately comes down to iq coffers thinking fighter. That's his best weapon. Do you believe your son has the i q to compete with tears. Crawford putting he on crawford mitigate and disrupt his extraordinary computational missionary to some degree. But i don't believe it would be enough so basically just coming forward and giving them pressuring enough eventually. He'll make the adjustments. Well sean is not just a come for fighter. He can move in. He can move out move laterally he can turn you can spend it can pivot so as a lot of shit have to deal with and usually about to spend five spider six seconds shot done two or three different things like nobody else. That terence's fought so Yeah if he's a very intelligent guy is kinda hard to You know just do what. You wanna do When unite given time to use your To slow things down and use your In intelligence you know and you have to just fight. So that's a little bit different from tears. I think for him to just have to just fight is a little bit different. And i've seen not you know not to take anything away from him. But i seen some situations like with the with the agreement. Seen i seen some situations also Kill brooke early on debt. You know Tears had look on his face. Like what did just happened right there you know. And if you take the time to short expression on your face we can exploit that. If somebody else can do it we can exploit it as well. i don't think tares does a A poker face very good when she don't go his way when needed. Something just happened in. He kinda shows it right there on his face. You know and You know it is what it is. That's what makes the fight to me. Exciting to see what happens when these things happen or to see what happens when parents is able to do it to sean. That's what makes it exciting golly uk. Mr puerta seems like sean has to wait to see if pacman fides bud before he can get an actual offer. How long do you guys wait when you look into get porter out nex. We don't wanna wait too long. We gotta make some decisions. He real Very intelligent man told me. I need to give my brother call in and say you know. We need to consider looking at his. Wba thing so Yeah we we're not gonna wait too long You know and certain people in certain places data will have a strong belief in what Two guys over at top rancor doing right now anyway so they're gonna want Whoa hey no what they still got to deal with him on on on our on a package deal to is he still went out. I thought he thought oh. Thank you breaking news. Pactel still cerna. Al hinman looks like we have to ask you. How do you think a rematch with kell. Brook ends up today. If sean could get offered to rick eddie cold you you want to coburg rematch. Would you take it be. How would well obviously with. Sean can take it. And how do you think it'll play out We wouldn't take it is at this point. What we're looking for is not what we're looking for We just looking for the biggest fights and you know this is no knock against gail brooke or anybody else. In boxing everybody gets gives it everything they got but Just the way. I i saw the last fight against harris. I just looked at the fight. I said you know the guy decided you check out you decided to check out. He didn't need eating really. He didn't come to fight income to win. That's my opinion The other part of that is And you know again. it's opinions kill brooke. Came into a fight with sean. Any hail sean. Over sixty times in the first five or six rounds would would hold him became well more than just holding. It wasn't just a quench. It was you know became a file. Will you fast forward to kill brooke years later. You know he's not holding charon. She's not holding canal. Oh he's actually trying to fight a little bit more if he had fought sean like that. Back then sean Or hurting pretty bad. But that wasn't what he was willing to do at that point in time he hadn't got the courage up to try and so i think if he was to try to fight sean straight out right now A lot of the same results were happened to him. At the end of a fight it happened to him against the canot against a book crawford against narrow spans. I don't have an interest. Sean doesn't have an interest. It's but crawford aspera spins rematch. It could even be key thurman rematch and you know that's pretty much it for us. You know what. I do need to call an in found out about this. Wba situation a long time. I got some other things. Take a couple of questions and get out of here. You know what i'd be. You pretty much answered. Everyone's question let me. Just check here. But i think everyone we just got a late. One supachai. here coach myers says ken. If you want sean. Don't get off from bob that you want financially. Do you still try to get the fight by requested. Purse bid from the wb l. That's a good one yes If that's what shawn wants. Yes the reason. I say reason i said yesterday that that conversation has already been brought to me. And the compensation was brought to the people in the right position that can get things done so yeah alright. Count drag once your thoughts on michael hunter versus her. Give each which is going to be for an eliminator if it happens and luis. Ortiz vs tacon huddles fights play in your opinion louis. Ot's over michael hunter over the other guy that i don't know little unknown fact michael to one is first. Us national championship. I was his trainer Mike mike Brought mike from vegas back in two thousand six. He was in ohio with me any train. Anyone the us championships. He trained with me in colorado and he took the number one spot became a us champion out first county training for national championship. So you were there for those sparring par sparring sessions with while because we had him on today and he was saying used to be wild partner olympics. Yes yes and michael the very well. He said that how well is very well really good. We got every boat in this. As salou crawford versus puerto is the fight to make but imbaba no pack eight fighting spence or crawford necks no question just a statement. Louisville slugger says. Please get the bud ie pay per view fi. And i'm ready to pay me too. That's another thing. We are willing to pay so bob. What is bob wanna do it. I mean you pay. I'm known as a bud detractors. So they're going to say that. I'm hating by saying that. He is protecting them. He's never faced shawn porter no-one on his resume wanna do to pay per view. Well again. he's coming up with every excuse under the sun to say that it's not a worthy fight like a now. He's changing his tune in the last. Let's say two weeks. But i mean before two weeks ago. He was offering a million dollars. He i could go back to interviews where he said ou. Glass was more popular than porter. Porter fought sean. I mean for a row. you know. he's never really had anything. Good to say and i feel like protection right. I mean gamboa hurt crawford. Kavaliauskas allegedly dropped colfer. David ben nevada's jose ben evita's with one leg in a bullet still in his capshaw. Hurt crawford so. I mean what what's going to happen when you get in there. One of the top three top four awaits is what all want to see and that's the intrigue and we're willing to pay we're willing to pay don't know why he thinks is not a pay per view or why would anyone insinuate that. It's not a pay per view. Absolutely if you listen if you're going to sell amir khan that's another arguing point if you sell amir khan to the us public as a pay per view just because he brings some shitty uk money. That american fans don't care about we're paying for bud versus porter we wanna pay for a mere versus but we did it because we're fans of the scored and that's why it was only one hundred and fifty of us. You know one hundred fifty thousand but Next is big no big no more. He lost pounds. Supermax says is there any interest in a thurman rematch no interests as an interest but the interest is stronger for bud in era. That is it. Got if god blesses you know. And we get we get those two fights eight aero he late one slid in sol cooney. Who says sorry if this has been answered already but do you expect to have the crawford fight with the crowd or is that not a factor in the time line of making the fight. The top bring up crowd issues. yes they did. They said with no crowd day carded consumer confidence. And i'm not interested. Isn't that right down to what this consumer confidence breakdown to. If the consumer have confidence to come to an arena if the consumer has confidence to go to a buffalo wild wings to watch the fights if the consumer has confidence to go to a family friend's house to watch pay per view. You tell them tamper right. Here had the super bowl with twenty five thousand. I didn't see any consumers aware of gathering and earl just did sixteen thousand with danny. They weren't afraid of that can nello did whatever he did. He came in under two point. Six million for the gate for the callum smith so that no one was afraid. Dick canals back in miami doing tickets. Ain't nobody afraid and let's be real top branches went on. Espn and said that they are no longer doing the bubble anyway. So they know they back to fighting in in crowds. I'm telling you they're making this such a big deal. You need to just find somebody who's willing to put this on a purse bid and make it a pay per view but can you explain that issue though purse bid then sean is like stuck with a mandatory minimum that the ibm enforces on them. Or can you still negotiate as the winner of the purse bid. We can still negotiate even if you take it. The purse bid because we'll put that in there but champion champion be entitled to a certain percentage because he's the champion per the rules. So the idea for is that he probably yes but the other side of that which angle get into is certain people in certain places are willing to make sure that sean gets paid if you understand. Pardon beautiful beautiful back end. They're back in money. You know take this upfront. We got you here. I got you listening. Ken last question it was over. Thank you so much for always being available. Let's schedule so for me last time. It was a little. He needs just some headphones. Like you you and the money with the with the headphones doing great over there. You sound perfect. We just wanna make sure. He had some headphones name. I'm ready schedule scheduling if you got in scheduled for him as far as a fight. Let's get him back on and he can do a victory lap for his last knockout. We do appreciate you as always if you want about any social media more than willing to do so if not thank you again on a on ideas porta high-performance with the h. y. porta high-performance. On id and that's pretty much it for me Everything else for. Sean is showtime sean p instagram facebook. Twitter is puerto way podcast Yeah i will give them a leak. In this week he comes back sunday. He'll be training and sparring with sean this week in we got a training camp the following week so i will get him a pair of nice headphones a high of nice. Listen i got three more for you. I got three more for you and actually The two short ones i love. And i'm sure jay. Mac has something good as he's a bud fan he says terence crawford versus jamaal. Charles have shawn's hand speed doesn't match his foot speed and hand and foot coordination creates balanced balances strength punch placement enhances with better balance the question. Terrorists terence crawford have yet. I'll go with charlie's too big next one. Very quick oh. John's has speedo matches feet. That's what he said. okay. I'm gonna give you a free ticket to come to las vegas. I'll pay for it. That's no do you free ticket to come to las vegas and you can show me what you talk about. But i'm gonna need you to get rate when him show me what is in foot. Coordination is not there. 'cause if it's something i've never had a problem with is i've never had a problem with this kid would have in footwork and he's sparring with one hundred and thirty pounder and he's feet and hands are fascinating hits. So that's not a problem. And i also remember you once upon a time like Publicizing that sean. Statistically out all his opponents. I don't know if that's changed I would say it's still the same because i noted the punch stats on spence fight but i know we definitely i'll jab last guy. We fought which was for mela and then everybody leading up to that he had Out jabbed bronner. How jabbed danny garcia yard jab. Keith thurman ya'll jabbed yoga's all of those guys leading up to that so i don't know what it was for Aerospace fight. But no that's not a problem for a cd he's got. A great job is underrated because everybody is the social media. You know social media if you come on here and you say over and over and over no if you had ever said over and over and over and over and over and over that this guy had a great people would be talking about that guy that guy's but because people have always said sean is a pressure fighter and he's swinging wild and all this is and that's what everybody starts repeating the same reason why you see all these idiots run around with the pants hanging off the ass because they think that's what's in or it's the same reason why people get on social media and do different tiktok dances. That's what's in. So it's what's in everybody jumps on it. You know you sean. puertas Football player shawn puerto probably had twenty amateur fights before you ever played football right and obviously even though he played football and he played it at a high level is not what he chose to do. And you don't beat. Danny jacobs all exander usig Dimitrius andrey You don't be shawn estrada twice. You don't be jesse heart. You don't be terrell gauchet you don't be Was the dominican kid that won a national golden gloves. Us championship phillips. From now on now shawn's weight class. He's from Massachusetts fernando carreira. No we beat him to be happy. Crowd dominic wait. You don't beat all danger. Guys be financed to noviny motorists. He was older than us. But you don't beat all those guys if you can't box just don't have you gotta be able to box to beat those guys enemy so that doesn't happen by luck. You're not going to be out on the football field. Tackler people are running touchdowns and just coming here and beat. Those guys not gonna happen to kill was an exceptional athlete that he could do both sports and also play basketball and also ran track. Feel so you have to be an exceptional athlete to be able to do that. But you're not gonna be able to be all of those guys edwin rodriguez. That's who i was trying to think of. Anyone rodriguez massachusetts who was national. Golden gloves champion. Trying to repeat sean. Beat him and stop them from repeating. Champion china repeat. Sham beat him and stopped him from repeat. You don't beat all those guys unless you can actually box saw you know the way to people. Just you know say things everybody jumps on and carries it just social media. That's what it is. So who last ones in the super quick. What about a fight. With mikey garcia shawn porter mike. He's not gonna fight sean I've had the conversation. It was I just asked to see what would happen in. Said he's not gonna fight so he that's why he's never mentioned. Sean doesn't discuss john anything. Who does he wanna fight. If forty seven yeah but okay so now you don't find out. Who are you challenging. Is there anybody that he actually wants to fight. If forty seven. I don't think it is the guys with little guy. And he's moved up unease not really. You moved up for what challenge you know. I think he moved up to get some big money. I mean i. I i thought he was in the welterweight but watching them. Put hands on jesse the way he did man he definitely show he could contend with some well to weights those guys. What's the next question last. Question last question denison tampa says what advice. Would you give danny garcia damn danny. Danny danny dan. Danny danny is the type of guy he he he. He fights a certain way pretty much an really never really kits out at lane. He fights a certain way and see. That's the difference in. I'm not knocking him in any kind of way. But that's the difference between you know. Sean danny there were shown was able to do different things. And then danny had try to adjust those and it causes. Danny problems In so he needs to fight certain fight styles in order for him to be the guy that we've seen him be Punching power and timing is his thing he's very good at that but You know it becomes a problem with him. When when he's not able to get a guy lined up again loaded kakhit aim. Shoot it type thing. That's too much time that it takes but I you know i think him. And his dad you know. I'm obviously Big fan of defining san. I think him and his dad go back to draw board figured out Figure out which direction ago and there's definitely some more big fights for him there I'm not against rematch. We gotta victory over him. Unlike people who got victories over us. I would definitely if angel gives me a call. Or you know they're considering the rematch and it's for something that you know substantial. Yeah definitely you know so. We can throw that we could throw that in. There are no doubt. And that's not just because of any other reasons than i think that's a great fight. They're great fighters and Is a great rematch. It would be our first rematch if we could ever get one with right. I know that would be something definitely for the history books so we have no more. These three gentlemen already questions that you've answered saw. Just give them shot. George foster in the uk he about ever seen sean at one fifty four anytime soon. You kinda answered that up Let the truth be heard asked the same question about face in uganda To which makes more sense for spence rematch and satan s. Told me let's go. Brotherhood says the same question about the comparison of sean and crawford's resume except crawford still being ranked above. Sean not having the significant wins. That sean has so. That's everything can once again. Thank you man. I know it's been a two full hours so appreciate so much appreciate it. I appreciate you man. You really good at what you do. I i'm watching this other guy here. I'm not mean was named nice day. They knew guy. He's also had the confidence to jump in the middle of the interview. These guys like to believe that. I'm doing my think. They don't want to interrupt when. I do want them to jump in and be a part of it but like he'll get the hang of a work on it. I'll work on it mr porter. We appreciate you coming. you'll be back on. He'll be here. Let's get some next week with me absolutely makes sense to do it. It makes sense to do it. Either with maliki. Sean in gym at the same time that you could ask sound a person and or we do it during that camp the following week so i'll circle back around to you just week next week. Let me know if you're not too far from me. Hit me up. 'cause we could get some camerawork to amount here in florida yet. Today's wednesday. I'll be working in training the rest of the way all the way to sunday so I'll let you know. I shoot you text right now. Location thank you brother there. You have a ladies and gentlemen world renowned trainer. Ken porter fighter. Father meant no no trainer. Father manager for sean. Gone out to the callers. You know the number to call in one four five six fifty to forty one person. One one time. Bush opinion a oh. I know david the other hosts they'd be like. Oh you know i i seen you in your flow or whatever like yo you gotta question jump in because if not i will keep the air hot coach j. mac with the invitation. Some spawn with sean. Let me just tell you having a door man. When i saw this right it was good night. You put the beats on me man. He ain't playing like you hit him. He coming after you man. I'm not gonna when. I say he was two weeks down. Its combat teach. You want to take part. Just because jay mac again. Winning tends to mega tash macintosh mac. We cannot have you hang up and call back and let's wait and see how long that takes the number to call in one forty five five six nine fifty to forty one. We hear you. we hear you know. Y'all can you hear me eight. Definitely i take. I take up on his. Get down on my two hundred pounds. I'm at two fifteen right now. I'll take him up on his. I mean it's awful. I didn't understand how it got that way Sensitive on projects really giving him some advice widow now. Because he's saying if you see that you got to be able to show that in the rain let me show and him critique and then got to do with something. I watched him as a fighter and stuff like that. Maybe we just sit back and watch. You understood what i was telling him. Sean fast feet. But sean gotta stop his feet the troll the punches when he get in as fast as i was saying his hand speed on magic a person who got a hand speed and push be as similar as paco and. That's why. That's why. I think he gets caught on the way. And i mean you know happened with boehner happened with earl. They hit him with those hooks on the way in how you can be back. I don't know about the speed though. He's pretty fast man. I think that's one of his Attributes is like he's able to cut that distance so fast he's on the inside and giving you issues and smother coach. Myers what up you. Yeah great interview man by. We got all the questions that we needed answer from poorer side day. Like if the financials ain't right they still going after through for wbo. They actually are really go. She and you know what i mean. These stuff speculation. You know what i mean. So we heard from the horse's mouth which is great I mean i like it. I mean hopefully i mean i. It works out but like like a. Ken said regardless. They're gonna go out there on the wpro so it's great to hear a great interview call but do you think it really happens. I bet i mean longest towards like how they how they are like just like bill. Like i look bill just like ken like they did a mandate word. So if he's not going to get what he wants financially like he said gonna chase them the. Oh and you're going to end up having a fight and like you said they'll take a whatever percentage which is usually seventy five twenty five but like you said somebody we'll take care of him on the back end so all looks import aside like they're all four crawford you know i it. Codes myers remember bud fan. Say there's no back end money. My man literally said it on interview. Yeah meeting haven't eaten all day. It's all work hustle and now here we go on out too heavy handed jay. I once told kim up on here. I thought porter was a football player and He corrected me. He said well. If i told you we've been boxing since we were six with that. Change your thinking said no. He looks like a rough and tumble guy who's athletic who's rough and tumble athletic. In that can translate sometimes in boxing with athleticism. But i felt completely. I was totally wrong. That shop order has to me. Show me more improvement than any fighter over the past three to five years those wrinkles in the in the game you know ability to box off the back foot and then be that old. Sean puerto rico. Who's wanted a rough and tumble as guys out there Dishes to me. How much work can be put in. So i think the narrative has change were kim. And he's adds clarity to a too because we once thought that you know he just was too overbearing for shani's too domineering. But it was really data. Sean was ready for the limelight quite yet. So shut out to the black. Dad's may y'all know. We do amazing things. If they don't systematically take us out the household desma keen florida. Are you vill Response he got jay matt. Give excellent destructions over there to keep the dream. Let's get into kenny porter van Jump in and out of mr little bit of it What happened man. i jumped on. He offering jay free tickets to vegas. Come back man. He said james. I couldn't get his work but I mean a little bit of the crawford talk on jay mac. Disrespectful you ain't even win the title on world. Championship coaches what it's true That's hilarious now but You know jamie good is if you see some go. Go speak on it. You don't mean no disrespect by. But i get it back any puerto looking at it. Guess the same way you look at it like my son world champ. We telling me this force. Can i mean sure a balance. Meanwhile you fallen out the ring. I wasn't off balance. I fill out the wrinkles a day off now used as far elevated ring the radio crazy he goes guys the worst man words of the bullet on but now listen kenney porter you know setup all the all the boxes dads out there man on the data. That's doing right for their kids man. I always like hearing kenny. Komo bill handy come on here you know this always long those guys on man and hopefully we get their crawford import. A you know what. I heard the sound like. They made any kind of leeway. Anyway on nights on monday have discuss splits and in the senate is nothing like so all no man But i just like that kennedy clearing that stuff because these headlines go to running around and people start talking like they know like they was in the room when Get made in Act like they know everything that's going on so it's good to kenny. You know from the horse's mouth laso. Yeah that's all i got. We got supermax. Big shot out nest with a great contact. My first supachai year his first which was based off the last show and it is. This is for the last show but if kanalelo fight four times this year that me my favorite fighter on pace to fight five times in twelve months. What about yours. That's the silence on purpose. Because you ain't got no favorite fight at. His dorm were canal. Doing can be texas soon-to-be over here in in in the palm tree state man was nine yet. Lv slugger what's that lv. Also break so good. Silvio your interview bob top mcmurray other sitting on ceo. Think sean puerto pfizer is papers. Lightning payment to fight. I'm willing to pay for top three welterweight right now. Because he he'd be pekka beat will in my opinion a permanent at put his top. Three welterweight right. Now we put on paper. You made this this this. This was been looking for this successful you looking for this. Put it on them like this all see. What's the problem i'm willing to pay for. Hopefully they get the deal. Like i say mattis just the patriots. You galvin wasteful so he can get that smoke spence out and get the fight the big fight over talking about money. So let's get this pay per view. Let's get to the expense like we may hopefully get the deal done so are right. Thanks for calling in louis. Zoos dot com. Yeah it's been so long that i've caught in national. I didn't i forgot that. That was my intro already. Got new comando. I mean on to finish the yet. Not that's a whole new ring walks that's going to be further. Was supposed to be for this. One put around if a big return so at that point we should be well up on three hundred but i wanna call lands do great content today great interview. You've been killing it. It's like the old days of tv. I sent you some topics of you for four show. you know. I could use to help out on the road but najah great interview. And i like the fact that they're willing to do the thurman andy garcia rematch is because you know they want to compare this new generation to the original fab four but those guys off fight each other multiple times had wins and losses over each other so Shot at the shop. Tournament is to not be a found his style. But he's slowly quietly. Become one of my to my favorite fighters to watch but great content. Nessin the crew and yeah. I hit the like button. I love portman porter. He thought everybody every he's the test for me. So it's like the portas. Can you get past the portas or good enough to be you know to beat. Shaw showtime puerto. The brotherhood says j. mac. The internet Ducks porta damn super. Chew j. i'm not starting trouble Mr wa would up anyway. Listen man One thing southport is known for more than anything is energy. His energy his energy his energy as work ethic entity and work at the come from coats. Larry wait just like kayla. Plant seems to never get tired by j simpson every guitar. So if anybody wanna know why. Southport has really been getting better because their energy levels. Because he's aggressive don't mean he can make it less. He makes it less because coats. Larry rates c. L w ma one of my best friends and that's real talk so don't forget that when you're talking about sound porter secondly canellas find five times a year because he tried to make the money going made from fighting twice a year. A lefty j. may take up that offer. I bet you do better than us. Do see what we got our meaning in new jersey string bean. Yeah yup good good we hear you. We hear you. What up what what. I didn't hear none of the show. I'm i'm i'm like is this is this is this is in negotiations is something because i feel like they heard this show. We did the other day. And i want. It's like shawn porter is known for taking off whoever you know what i'm saying. It's not to say. Go in under sell yourself. And i hope you know what we hear. Is that this. Fight is is is in the making. Yeah they negotiate and he say he went to the office changes phone calls in the morning he was actually at the office will lifting. I'm sat out. The bugs does what i'm saying. Shout out to buy you know what i'm saying. I woke they gotta wait to see what's up with paco. obviously not an enlisted. Because that's the other besides the obvious. That's the other big money fight man but i i still think man this is this is on both sides. Man this is this is something big man and number one. I think saw quarter got a hell of a chance. He's got a good chance and if he does each and every time he's in the ring man Again when i'm wondering people. He wanted me overdue to his consistency. I was pissed as hell. Cause i want to see him live. I live against maryland. You got me. I gotcha right all right. Yeah that's how of man he needs to be mentioned in that compound wellm because if you think about if anybody of it in the top you know four you put we pretty much thank. He's going to win. Unless you're boy boots and is beat light you're gonna be in a strategy but No i've been to show for so long bras you know when you Kenny was saying was giving him disney advice. But i remember after L. mighty. God see kenny. Puerta call dawn. You told kenny porter bro. You need to ask for that. Url by an advocate on pay per view and kenya was like really like yeah put it on paper view so shocking take more and kennedy was like really shocked about that but i remember you giving him advice way back then bre one day. It'll come back full circle. Thank you for calling in and thank you for listening for that law man. I really appreciate it man. Not brushing view definitely appreciate you being a listener for that long. Jordan carter seattle washington but Dan jordan dan. We don't hey look. Yeah no. I've been listening for so long. I heard and that's called me out this morning. Drip all right except you can make it for real. No i definitely can make you. Just let me know where monster team. I tend to get backing. Definitely make their Say twenty four hours arm up talking about it tonight when i go to the gym and another being. Tell mr kim border if you still listening. Mr kim puerta. I learned to take that flight down there. I'll never turned down then. Free and that great work Fight but yeah. That's not even a fight with this show porter. Oh yeah you got to show you got there that you know. He said he he the way he him people glad to do that. Do we interviewed that. He say he just showed up. But only Was it joshua. He showed up only with the money to to fly in the vegas and then he was like you know he was dug until he made it. So look i would say take the deal if he will only day magnano now j. maxx though i hear. Oh what was the topic about the we would just having can pulled alive to talk about crawford. And obviously his new fi mayhem on government. Okay i think i think. Puerto beats cropper. Man from the propaganda. Their style That all you pay all night stale. Okay he can handle. That is the tough style man. S that like that. Mexican status sean. At so many different angles and agility and the stamina. You huge huge. Oh it looks like. We got a super chat from ken. Stone says porter is our generation. Saying shane mosley junior. Okay i mean without. The scandal. Blew the brotherhood says jay mac threat. Incoming go threatened porter three laugh aloud emojis. Ken stone back when another one says puerta started at one sixty eight. I would love to see him. Move up to prolong his career. He fights anyone. His resume could be hall of fame. Resume at the end of the day. I mean he he he. He's going to hell the shawn porter. Fi allergen at usa can amateurs hell that he was big. He was one sixty one. Sixty a four jacobs like six times. He dropped them like seven. My man's right here. I j met with the counter punch. Come in at somebody you know. I told you. I get under two hundred. I'll take it will pause up. Was i wasn't expecting the response. 'cause that wasn't my tent. It wasn't malicious. But it's all good like i say i get on the two hundred. I'll take that any day now. Let you know you can put on a phone book the brotherhood. How many times call you are told you stay in dallas. I'm showing up to florida. I didn't call you out media time. So i guess you've been ducking me. You told me about drinking you ally one more time you can find. I'll give you an invite you could get to nest nest can give you my number. We can make up in me and you can meet tomorrow because you over and you do for a good one. I do want smoke. Which and i've been wanting because all do is type cat scale when he probably a little a little. A little bit is running his mouth running his dick suckers threat. That's another threat. So i guess i'm overdue two so get in touch with get in touch with you. Give him my number so we can settle our just been. Don't worry about kenny. Porter and sean porno push it all on nobody else. You've been running your mouth. You've been typing tom man. I was just recommend keeping nice and clean so we could keep it on. A border was called coming near you. Stick talk boxing. You you you know Good shit man. I respect kenny. Omega sharp puerto wear suits in amps is good shit but I see i see quarter seaport. Puerto wounds in the bud. You know i seem i seem fighting his heart out but i don't think he'd not enough power to keep but off his ass. He can't do all that moving at that high intensity rate like that and Where i gotta send send My momma intro. I get tired of not having an intro. I mean would like email would send it to me. Sent it to me. Email email was the email seem. I'm gonna take right now on your skype. I also he gone. He gone. He going to beat beat podcast. Fdu don't beat dog should a pack yep and one quick question why cyp got pay patriot thousands of border wolves because he offered me a thousand. I turned it down any came on talking to so he raised the rate and then He don't gotta pay. You know his issue is his outside of the ring activities. Him him threatening people outside of the ring. We don't want any issues at border. We never had when we don't need that's all we good without war any of those issues. We actually hang out. We watch together is thirty forty of us in a in. Bnb which isn't allow but cops don't get call. We all smoke which isn't allowed. Because don't get cold like we just don't need an argument shoving match fists fi. You know. we got time for that shit. I'm to growl now. I'm already did my my my my fair share of Reddin to You know issues. I'm done with that. China stay legit. But that's everybody except for cash at boomerang. I mean no not. Cash boom right. It's a Counterpunch for you. Jay mac from your pupil supermax counterpunch to make the fight with brotherhood onboard wars. He said keep it clean. No can you hear me. We brotherhood is the typer. He trolls me. You follows me. He's always got some just spent for the so we're not get on his income and repeat him with disrespect. I've been invited. I've been telling my stay in dallas. I mean we can get we meet up somebody rain. We can meet up in order to sell out differences like man. I'm just gonna put my hands on but don't talk shit if you're not in my weightless and then wonder why ain't gonna work out for you in ankle. Probably work out for us because you just type. I just gave you by benjamin inviting you telling me fly here fly there. How about we just needed the middle and meet up somewhere so we just you are leaving the cologne alone aright nez. Gto instagram twitter. We are not done. Never leave a man behind coach. J. mac boomer coach myers boomerang would ain't got now good. Show keep comment you coming back on later on this today. I don't know i might be right back. man. I i kinda smell some other news this out. There might be entertaining. I dunno. I dunno some heavyweight news out. Do i put casper. Cheney beco- that's my car. Yeah man we had him on again not too long ago Right when lovejoy was supposed to fi- january twenty nine so it was around that time because he has spar lovejoy before the alleged fight. The never happened for him. Did happen for bryant. That being said one in the be x. goodfellas yard this law as just got on. So i don't know what's going on anyway. 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