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The Milo Controversy

Part of the Problem

1:34:51 hr | 1 year ago

The Milo Controversy

"We need to roll back the state, we've star on all of our citizens prisoners flooded with non violent drug offenders. If you wanna know who America's next enemy is look at were funding right now. Everything one of problems are resulted government way too. Yes. Hello. Hello, greetings, and salutations. Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem. I am. Of course, the most consistent motherfucker you know, Dave Smith the truth. The voice in Seoul of liberty the big picture, and I'm joined by as always excuse me. Never said I was a perfect wordsmith. I'm joined as always by the king of the Cox the fire Robbie Bernstein. How are you, sir? Doing. Well, man, it's good to see you happy Memorial Day. I know this is a big day for you. You, you celebrate. All those people who have died for Jewish interests abroad. And that's that means a lot union family, always, they did things for us. Yeah. They really pay tributes. Is it not worth sacrificing one of your eight fat kids for the survival of Israel? Yeah. I mean come on priorities people and these non Jews are expendable. So it's a good. A good trade. Yeah. Even if you Jews are expendable I think one for every nine non Jews. I dunno. It's in the Tomlin anyway, welcome to the brand new episode. Everybody we, we've got a lot of stuff to get into tonight. And I have to start with all of the controversy that's been afloat over the legion of skanks the, you know, a podcast that let's just say, and I don't mean this to insult my own show at all legion of skanks is one of the things that I'm most proud of in my comedy career, this is a show that we started. I, I mean, we may have recorded the first episode on a fuck in cellphone, if Bobby Kelly hadn't given us his old equipment that he wasn't using anymore. We used to record it in Lewis's tiny apartment, where he was living with, like, his, his girlfriend and a dog like. Conceive James, just trying. It wasn't even he wasn't even thinking about James when we first started leading gangs. In fact, the fucking I think the episode that he found out. I think one of the first, like five episodes was episode where he found out. Beatrice was pregnant, and he doesn't mention it on the show. But if you listen to the show Lewis acting like a real cut the whole time he was stressed out, and by the next episode manner chain down, so she couldn't aboard it. He was an early antiabortion. She was every, every few minutes, you'd get in there and be would like wrestled a hanger out of the closet. Yeah. No, no Beatrice put it down. Anyway. I love legion gangs. We built it up from absolutely nothing being this huge platform that being said, if you take legion of skanks very seriously, you may have an empty life. It's, it's possible that maybe you need a little bit. That's been my predominant source for news and philosophy. And for just generally understanding, how men should live his life, by the way, leading skanks better news source than most mainstream media outlets. But that's more comment on the news than it is, on legion of skanks. Anyway, if you guys don't know what's going on. What, what the controversy has been over the last week or so. I don't know. I don't know how to sum it up, so more or less. We invited a gay guy on the show, and then a bunch of faggots online lost their goddamn mines about it. So. Milo Yiannopoulos is the guest on legion of skanks tonight. It will be at an undisclosed location. It will not be at the creek and McCabe and it will be it'll be aired right here. You can watch it live for free at gas, digital network dot com at nine thirty and tune in because this is a cool location. We've never been there before we had to get a secure bunker related to get a place at the fans couldn't find. So if for nothing else just tune into a different setting. Yeah very good. So there is. But I'll tell you it. It's been a really crazy thing to watch this all unfold over the last the last week or so. And look. I am obviously, I'm the most interested in politics at of the skanks. I'm the most political of person on the show. Lewis, j are not guys who really exist in the world of politics and it's funny because our last episode we had Michael Malegaon, and he was talking about his new book, the new, right a journey, the fringe of American politics, which highly recommend go pick up a copy. And one of the points that he makes over and over again, in the book, is that the left is essentially in evangelical religious movement, that is hell bent on dominating every aspect of life that they are totalitarian religious movement and it's funny to see litter in the week after we had him on or during the last week, where people like Jay and Lewis were not political at all, are it's almost as if the left forces you into a somewhat political world. And then you have to choose sides and you could be ninety percent in agreement with them. Doesn't matter. You're not see your Nazi unless you're one hundred percent agreement with them. And by the way, you also have to agree to not speak to anybody who's been excommunicated and, and Milo would be one of these people who I guess, has been excommunicated from from there. Their religion, I think Jay's wardrobe would be fun for Nazis, like if they were gonna take on new uniform. I could see that work for them chain while it's the big short side. No man, I mean, I got a lot of criticisms of Nazis, but I was the uniforms were pretty point. Yeah. They needed any improvement in that direction, I think, Hitler's up there with knuckle gloves fucking Yellen away. Nine nine nine. I just don't get stuck in the chain while trying to hail that's genuinely dangerous. You got executed for that shit, not just can't be risking not being able to hail real quickly, so anyway, so Lewis j are not super political people, I probably I would venture to say that I know more about Milo and also just in general, like the state of. The kind of politics in America, whatever than than Louis j do. Say I was I was a bit surprised that the reaction was this intense now I knew. That obviously Milos very controversial figure. But truthfully speaking mile, this is like all the stuff basically with him. I think went down in two thousand sixteen. It's two thousand nineteen now this is this is years old. I didn't think it would really be that big of a deal that, that Milo was coming on the podcast. I thought that we'd get some tweets about it. We'd get somebody some pushback from open mic owners who are left wing at the creek in the cave. But, you know, one like golden rule of life that applies to every single aspect of life. Is that whatever open mic? Comedians, think doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to anything. You're literally if you're by O says comedian, and you work a day job and you have one hundred sixty followers on Twitter, just know your opinion means nothing. It doesn't mean anything. That whether you have a good opinion or a bad opinion. It is completely irrelevant. Nobody cares. So it's like who care, I didn't think, and maybe this is because I almost like I exist in a logical framework, and I, maybe I project that too much onto other groups but I would just think that, you know, Milo was the big bad wolf. But this was like before Charlottesville before, like people saw, like who the real white nationalist. And those guys were and I just would have figured they would have moved on to other targets by now. And you know, they did a lot of damage to my lows career. So who cares, like I, I did not think it would be such a huge fucking thing, where, you know, whatever. All these people are so upset, because we, we dare to fucking have a guy on the podcast, whose views you disagree with. So it got announced that Milo was going to be on the podcast in the same way that we always announce our guests and. It right away. A lot like what happened was a lot of people started, you know, just getting flooded with tweets about how you're giving a Nazi a platform, your hate speech needs to be deployed formed, basically all the most boring. Just repetitive. Regurgitating the dogma of this bullshit, religion that is social Justice warrior ISM. I, I don't even know what to say, but it's we started getting a lot of what I must say that I was surprised by was the amount of comedians. And again comedians in air quotes, let's just say like this, right? If you. There's a weird thing with in the comedy world. Everybody who's a comedian has been there is that when you start doing stand up comedy, you call yourself a comedian, like that's kind of your title. Now, Jerry Seinfeld wrote, a great piece about this in, in, in this book called I killed and he wrote the forward and he said, being comedians like one of those jobs. We're just day one. I guess I'm a comedian and he compared it's being a pirate like when you're a pirate, you're just like pirate, you know, like if you're if you're a surgeon, you go to school you go. You know, there's a whole process, but with being pirates day one, you're a pirate and being a comedian since day one your comedian. So there's always people who kind of call themselves comedians now but there's way more than ever before. This may not sign films being there's way more than there's ever been before. And there's just not that many positions available. There's way more people applying for the position than there are actually positions available. So there are all of these people who call themselves comed-. Jeans, but really, they do an open mic once a week and they have some fucking job. They're not actually professional comedians, but they all were weighing in with a pinions, and then some people who are actually professional comedians are just I don't know. Weak minded people or something like that. We're all were tweeting me and Louis j and all this stuff. And then some people who are, like, I don't know how to say it comedy, adjacent like a few of these chicks. I don't even know exactly what they do. They kind of hang around comedy, one of them was a producer on Adam verse or Adam destroys everything. Not sorry. Confuse it with Adam destroys everything and good ideas. Yeah. That's right. You know, like the Joe Rogan podcast, did you see him on there? So she's a producer on the guy who went on and just got fucking barest when for the first time he was met with some pushback on any of his insane ideas. But anyway, so a lot of these people have been tweeting us and they're very upset. And what happened immediately was. They went to start pressuring Rebecca and Rebecca, you don't know, is the, the proprietor of the creek in the cave. And she's somebody who's been very good to us and to a lot of different comedians, and somebody who I have a special place in my heart for who's always. Just been very good to me throughout my career in comedy, and I very much appreciate Rebecca for all of that stuff. But right away, they started targeting her, and threatening boycotts. And anyway, to me, as if you followed my Twitter feed, you could have seen. I really have. I can't even put into words how little respect I have said, I there's no group I have less respect for then comedians who get their panties up a bunch about someone saying offensive things, I mean, this is, and let's just get real like you guys are all full of shit every one of you guys who and I hope some of you listen to this, you're all full of shit. All you guys who are like, oh, you know, myla's said offensive things or he's, he's a heeds. Speaks hate speech, and that's why he can't be on legion of skanks. It's like have you listened to any of our podcasts? Okay. So how about we just had David tell on recently, David tells made nigger jokes, midget, jokes, faggot jokes, all things. You could think of where you guys have the balls to protest him Ohno. You don't care to protest him. Right. 'cause it's not about making jokes about saying the wrong thing. It's that Milo doesn't share your politics. That's what this is all about. None of you guys give fuck about having like anybody. If Milo shared your politics, you would love him, you would love him because he's an outspoken gay guy who makes people laugh and makes people feel embarrassed. You would love having that guy on your team in a second. It's just that he has the wrong politics. And guess what? I don't share your politics. So I'm not gonna play by your rules. Here's the thing, that's funny. Is that I get so much shit from these same people. That will say. They'll say things about me like they'll be like, you know, Dave is Dave a Republican. He just won't admit it. You know, this is the criticism. They make of libertarians they go. You're basically a Republican you. You're just too embarrassed to admit your Republican, and own it. And so you, you go this libertarian route or something like that. And it's like, oh, okay. Yeah. Sure. I'm a right wing Republican who just happens to hate the military in the cops, you know, they're fucking religion like literally that's that is the right wing version of their religion that you're not allowed to speak ill of, is the cops in the military, and I've been saying for my entire podcasting career, especially my entire career and political commentary. Fuck those two groups of people I actually think there they do more damage than anybody else. Now not to say there are some good ones. Particularly in the military. Who you know, give money to antiwar causes, and don't want to be caught up in that bullshit. But I'm like, not at all supporter of the military or the cops. I've been consistent on that, my you know. For over a decade. So shirt. Yeah. I'm just a Republican whatever I'm just a Trump supporter. I've heard this before you know. I mean, sure I'm advocating that he be impeached and locked up for prosecuted for war crimes, but I guess that's just your classic Trump supporter move. It's like here's the thing, right? I actually hate the left-wing and the right wing in America, I find both of them. There are things they believe in that. I think are horrible like both of them. But the reason why you guys think I'm more of a right winger is because of this, this is how much these lefties fuck and suck. Like just tell me, maybe I'm wrong, honest question. But rob, can you actually imagine could you imagine any scenario? Of a left wing guy. Let's say we had a left wing guy on legion of skanks like a real left-wing. I mean I don't know think of the guests we've had on. I mean, we had Jamie kill Stein on the show. But let's say we had Jamie Kelsey non at the height of his social Justice warrior leftist, period. We had those the girls from guys we fucked like, the they're like superfeminist checks, but I mean, imagine any other left-wing person who we had on, can you? Imagine a bunch of right wingers, boycotting the creek threatening to show up throw milkshakes at us. Can can you imagine that happening? I, I'm not asking you a genuine question has that ever happened anywhere ever? So if you guys are out there like why does Dave criticize the left more than the right it's because of you? You're the reason why because of bitches like you just just the most Sheild est childish bitch shit. I could imagine. I mean to the point that they have no sense of irony there, actually talking about throwing milkshakes. Like what grown man is pissed off at another, man. And that's that's where they go. I'm gonna throw a milkshake on. Okay. Get creamed. Yeah. Really like this. I mean, this is you could expect better behavior out of an eight year old if like an eight year old boy was, like, I'm going to go through a milkshake on someone. I'd like you'd be like be a man. That's what you would tell that eight year old boy you you'd be like, either. Like, I don't know maybe challenge them to fight or something, what are you doing your eight or maybe like talk to them? Also milkshakes are expensive. It doesn't even make a lot of sense. Yeah. Gonna store. Wait in line. Get where you're gonna have to get to. 'cause they're going to eat one in route. You're not just gonna go pick. It's got to be really unsatisfying by milkshake. Not take one sip and throw it. Yeah. They're getting a few sips. That'd be Larry's. It's all fat us, and they show up like fuck. We finished our milkshakes. Yeah. That'd be great. Well, look. I mean, here's the truth me. Louis j are probably not the guys to throw a milkshake at and think everything's gonna be okay like what we're just going to be like. Oh, no, they threw a milkshake at me. I feel so embarrassed. Forget me I'm not even trying to link on some tough guy. I'm not a fucking. I don't know. I'm gonna dolt man. So, yes. If you throw a milkshake on me, you're probably expect to confrontation after that. But just forget me take me out of the equation. Do you think you're gonna throw a milkshake at Louis j Goma's? Why? And that's just going to be like, oh, yeah. Okay. That just happened. You think there's not going to be an altercation after that? You think you're going to waste perfectly good milkshake in front of big J, O, Carson. And there's not gonna be an altercation after that against his religion. But in all seriousness though, I mean big j will flatten somebody if they came to. So now what's going on? Right. Is that? And this is the craziness is that these, these guys who have like a big knockout whining hook. It's definitely not a straight. It's like an uppercut uppercut and move. They will grow up. Jay is a very boxer. Oh on. Oppor on you. He'll he'll go grab your arms throw an uppercut or he might thrown overhand. But Jay Jay is very strong. He's actually a lot stronger than you would think jazz like grapple around with Jay. Even though he's real big dude. And you're like no big freakishly strong because he good hitting movement. But with a big winding hook, that's where I seem knocking people out quite possibly. But it really you know, let me just say this, because I've got a lot of thoughts on this, and I don't wanna get too out of order. Let me say this to the fucking comedians out there, the in quote marks comedians at their who have been talking shit to legion of skanks is threatening to boycott the creek in the cave, just know like we all see you. We see what you're doing. It's fucking pathetic. And like, don't think you're not going to run into us at some point, and this isn't a threat like you're gonna run into I'm gonna beat the shit out of you. This is like I'm gonna fucking embarrassed. Hugh verbally the next time I can see you. And then there's another group a subgroup after that the ones who are fucking advocating, people bring milkshakes to the show, which this is the new thing of the left. I mean do you guys own mirrors at home like take a look in one what a bitch, you are. You're advocating throwing milkshakes at people anyway for you guys that straight, that is that is an assault, and you're advocating people assault me, my friends, and the guests on my show that might be a whole different situation when we can run into you. And by the way, there was already one of these guys who had to deal with a situation like that last night. I'll just leave it at that. But he knows who he is. And he walked away looking at as fuck and feet not feeling great about himself. So anyway, what another thing that I've seen people doing I've seen comedians doing this is that they tagged. They started. Tagging antiga New York chapter in their tweets. Like to bring in the fuck in the arm. Army of bitches behind them, so that now they're trying to create a situation where people are going to show up with things to throw it us at the creek and these anti fa guys these, these fucking gender. Studies majors who throw fucking black mask on their face and show up with the fuck in padlock or whatever. And they're going to get into something, they're gonna show up to all because we're having Milo on our show. Now, I see the arguments themselves that these people are making are almost too stupid to even combat. Like I saw one person, you know, and this has come up quite a bit. But that they say that the creek is an inclusive venue. And this is why we can't have Milo there, which I mean they just unrelentingly will be like we want. We want this to be an exclusive inclusive venue. So we have to exclude this guy to be inclusive, like, okay. The, the other thing that, you know, is that his, his speech is dangerous. That's the argument that the Milo of the Milo speeches is going to threaten somebody. So in other we have to deep platform this hate speech because this could lead to violence, and I remember some of those speeches. He gave two years ago before they basically got rid of, you know, all of speaking gigs. Those those turned out terribly. I mean horrible things people melted in those audience. Yeah. Things that were problems at some of the speeches because these anti fa motherfuckers would show up and try to cause all these problems. Look man. Here's a thing if you want to say that there is dangerous speech or there are some of these people like you wanna say Milo is so racist and horrible that his you know, he he's going to him. Speaking is going to lead to the possibility of violence. It's like okay. So that's your starting point. All right. So even if I were to accept that what is calling everyone you disagree with the Nazi. What does that lead to? I mean, do you not think that provokes a certain degree of violence that anybody who you just don't like is now a Nazi look to call? I've watched a good amount of Milo videos, back in the day, you know, around two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen when he was getting big. I've read a few of his pieces when he was writing at Breitbart dot com. I disagree with him on, on a fair amount of stuff. But truthfully speaking, most of the things I disagree with Milo on was just like that. He was far too moderate, and really. Was kind of like even though he was like flamboyant, and Laird, and, like, provocative, he'd kind of come back to his actual positions just being a typical Republican, and he was like a big fan of Rudy Giuliani. That's kind of my beef with Milo. It was like, if you're going to be this dangerous radical be radical, like actually stand for something different, but to argue that Milo is a racist. Is a pretty difficult argument to make in my opinion. I mean first of all, I know this isn't mean anything to the left anymore, but he is married to a black dude. That still for me. And you and people who still exist in the plane of sanity that, that kind of indicates, you're probably not that big of a racist, if you're acted bang in a black dude, you're probably don't hate black people. But this is literally where people are at that I've seen, because I've been following stuff inside of you quite quarterly. So I mean, at least I don't know who's inside a who. But that's my guess, so there is a watching these people on Twitter and stuff. It's really funny where they'll be like, you know, they're like, well, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter even if you marry a black that doesn't mean you're not racist obvious. They really believe in love, and they know that he raised, but it was this one guy, so special. So anyway, it's it really is something. But this is like they'll go. You know, like, when the proud boys were getting accused of being Nazis and the response that a lot of them had was, they'd be like, but we have like black members and Latino members and all this, and they'd be like that doesn't mean anything they can be Nazis to all. And this is like the new thing where you're kind of, like I don't even know how to wrap my head around it. You're like so you're saying Nazis are this big problem. But they've gotten pretty inclusive over the years and they don't hate minorities anymore. So, like, which one is it? I don't know does that is it not when you when you call someone a racist the term racist and we were talking about this last week or last episodes. Michael mouse, it's this broad term that can mean like there's a huge spectrum of what being a racist could mean so racist could be the Nazi is, systematically, executing Jews, or it could be slavery or Jim crow. Or black codes or like something like that. Or it could be crossing the street when you see a black guy 'cause you're nervous about him, or it could be, you know, saying the blacks instead of blacks, like it's there's this huge spectrum where it can be like the worst offenses in human history, or the most minor offence that everybody is guilty of committing at some point. All right. Let's take a quick second and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is blue you can go grab some at blue dot com. Blue offers men performance enhancement for the bedroom, wouldn't you like to last longer a few extra rounds? Well at blue dot com. 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You get your first order free. You just have to pay five dollars for shipping. So it's great deal. A great product start having some better sex enjoy life. More Baluchi dot com. All right. Let's get back into the show. So there's this spectrum between the worst shit that's ever existed and something anybody could be guilty of, and so you just hear the word and it's brilliant propaganda because it almost empl. Is the worst thing ever. But then they can label anybody. They want to be racist. Okay, if you're talking about the worst Shet the reason why the word is repugnant to most decent people. You're talking about the really really bad stuff being married to a black dude, kind of eliminates all of that. So if you mean racist like he's politically incorrect. He's been critical of black lives matter, like, okay, I guess, maybe you could level that at him for most reasonable people, I think you'd have a pretty hard time making a convincing argument. That Milo is a racist to say that Milo is a Nazi is fucking insane, just insane. And I don't know what else to say about that. There is nobody I will put this open invite to anybody who wants to come in on part of the problem and have this conversation with me have this debate with me, if you think you can argue that Milo is a Nazi come in and argue that with me. It's just insane. And this is from a guy who disagrees with them on a bunch of stuff that he said, I wasn't a Trump supporter. He was a huge Trump supporter. We have lots of disagreements again for the people on the fucking left. Right. Here's the indifference. I have lots of lots of disagreements with Milo. I, I don't know. Exactly. But I bet we have major profound differences, like he's a Trump supporter. I'm an anarchist. My guess would be he supports the military. I don't my guess would be he's, he's in favor of Rudy Giuliani. I bet he's a real cop lover. I'm not really major differences. Guess what we're going to sit down tonight and do a podcast. We're gonna laugh, we're going to have a good time. And I bet you will leave fucking like we're cool. That's the difference between him. And you guys I have disagreements with you guys. It's like well, you're a Nazi then or as I've been told recently, I'm a Nazi sympathizer. There's another angle, by the way. If you wanna play this whole game of being offended by words like someone said something, that's so offensive, which is really what you're playing. That's all that Milos done is he's said some. Things that you find -fensive like, okay, fine. Well. At the risk of almost sounding like one of these left-wingers like I don't wanna get too much into playing their game. But let's be fair. There are some things that are actually really offensive to say, like I'm not against that. I I've never seen my low actually do any of that shit. But like I could imagine a certain thing, like if there was some, some white guy who walked up, whatever walk down the street and saw a black guy and was like go go pick my cotton nigger and some left, he was like that is so offensive. I'd be like absolutely, yes. That is a horrible thing to say to a black guy. And I'm sure there's other examples of things too. But, like that's just that's a horrible thing to say to somebody. So there are some things that I think it's like appropriate to be offended by that. Let me say this, calling me a Nazi sympathizer. Somebody whose family was slaughtered, by Nazis, pretty goddamn offensive thing to fuck and say, and you will just throw it out, willy nilly, like whatever. It doesn't matter. I'm just repeating the pop. Our political talking points that are completely safe that won't get me in trouble. Well, you will just say the most profoundly offensive thing. Somebody me who's a Jew of German descent, whose family kind of got fucked over by the Nazis literally my grandfather's, the only one who made it out alive. The rest were all slaughtered, whatever I don't like to play this chord lot because I don't really like it's not really relevant because what they're saying isn't even real Nazi is just a term for who you don't like. But just say that is way more offensive than anything that Milos ever said the idea that you would just use the term Nazi us something that real people suffered under for whatever you don't like I'll just vote, you know, one of the worst groups of people who have ever existed just to, to score some political points. That is so much more offensive than Milo Yannopoulos saying feminism is cancer, or whatever else, he said he told he told his story of. Having sex as a teenager with an adult man and said he didn't feel bad about it. Okay. If you shared your politics, you would say it's victim blaming to blame him for that situation right. It's just it's fucking insane. So the same the same group of people who will say that Milos words are so dangerous will now say that calling everybody disagree with a Nazi is okay. That's no big deal. And also throwing milkshakes at people is funny, somehow like that's just funny. You know, a lot of people that I've seen online have made the point, because they're actually, as argument, you really can't believe it. But again, I've said this many times before, if social Justice warriors cared about being logically consistent, they wouldn't be social Justice warriors. So there's almost no point in even talking to them about that. But just for the same people who are listening, the same people who will argue that, you know, microaggressions are violence will also argue that throwing a milkshake at someone isn't violence. That's just fine. And a lot of people on Twitter have made the point where they've been like you know, there's people who have had like acid attack. Wchs. And when you're being attacked, you really have no idea, whether that's a milkshake or acid. You don't really know it kind of takes a second to see that, but. And it's a fair point. But leave that aside. If can throw a milkshake on somebody and just think that's okay. Like they're just going to take that tell you something. And I said, this is somebody who's committed to nonaggression if somebody throws a fuck and milkshake on somebody, and that guy beats them unrecognizable. I completely get it might be a little bit of overreaction. But I don't think anybody watching that video is going to be like, oh, no. That was, why would that guy do that? You're a grown man and you go and throw a milkshake on another man be prepared for fucking confrontation. So anyway, here's the thing, right? And this is like what it really comes down to is that the situation for all these people like Milos a Nazi, which is just fucking ridiculous. I really I really think it comes down to the fact that people have people used the term racist, so loosely that it holds no wait anymore. So now they have to go to Nazi. But it's just, you know, like I said, trying to argue that Milo is a racist difficult argument trying to argue that he's a Nazi is just downright stupid. I mean and it's just it's, it's so dumb. It's I don't even know why spending time responding to it. I guess just because it's been said, by so many people. But you're going to argue that it's dangerous to give this guy a platform. That's, that's what a lot of people are saying and. It's not as if we're plucking Milo out of obscurity, and giving a platform Milos a pretty big person, you know, he's been on Rogan. He's been on Bill Maher show. He's been on a bunch of big shows, so it's not as if we're creating my low, we're booking somebody who we think is an interesting, guess that's going to be a funny podcast because by the way, that's the agenda of legion of skanks, the only agenda that shows ever had is to put out a funny show. So you can say it's dangerous to give this guy platform. Here's what would have happened if none of these people had reacted the way they had, we would have had Milo on, we would have had what I'm assuming is going to be a really funny show. Maybe not a funny show. Maybe we all would have left friends, maybe we wouldn't have gotten along. Maybe it wouldn't have been great. My guess is would have been really funny. My guess is that the show tonight will be really funny. And that's that that's what would have happened. You guys have now started advocating that people boycott the creek in the cave, giving Rebecca all this shit putting her in a really shitty situation advocating that people show up to throw Milkins now play this out in your head. What are you going to happen, when people come in and start throwing shit at allegiance, gangs, podcast, the, it's going to lead to some type of physical altercation in which real problems are going to be caused. I saw these fuck and comedians like. There were there were comedians who are tagging as I said Antea on their tweets. Tortoise, if your one of these people who was tagging antifa, and you exist around the same scene that I exist in walk the other way, when you see me man, because it's going to be a real if you literally I don't think you understand it. You start tagging antiga this borderline terrorist organization to come down and start fucking harassing. Yeah, there's, there's antique a tweet about it. The New York antifa branch, these fucking losers. You start tagging them in it. You're saying you're basically, inviting men with fucking who wear, masks, and assault people to come down and storm, my fucking podcast, I'm just saying walk the other way when I folk and see you the next time because it's going to get really weird. And I remember exactly who these fucking people are who did that. So I'm just saying I'm not being like a dick. You're look. Man me Louis, j were all fathers. We got we all have kids, I got a baby girl, at home, and they're, you're creating a situation intentionally that is going to be a situation that, like just steer. Clear of me to all those people. Who are out there? So anyway, I, I don't even know what else to say on this, but it's so clear that you guys have created the situation that could really potentially turn into a violent situation. And so automatically I was glad that at Milo's request but contrary to what some people are fucking putting out there. It wasn't at the creek's request the, the creek requested that we moved the show, we said, no, we're not gonna move it and they accepted that. So we were going to do it there. No matter what. But Milo was like, look man. This has been like announced there's not enough security. We got up move this to a new location. And I think he's right about that probably it's best that we don't get into a fucking situation like we got kids and shit. We can't be out there, fucking getting these fights. But at the same time, by the way, as a father of a little girl, I also can't let her grow up in a world where some dude throws a fucking milkshake father, and our father doesn't beat the shit out of that guy. So it's a fucking difficult situation. You gotta, you know, it's like it's a balancing. Act. But it will be, you know, it'll be interesting to see how the podcast is received, I guess, at the end of all of this, I would just say, like. It really is a thing about the authoritarian mindset. Here's what you have to understand. You don't get to control. What other people say you don't get to you don't like Milo. That's fine. You don't get to control whether we have him on a podcast or not. We decided to have him on a podcast because we think it'll be a funny show. A lot of people were saying, oh, you're having on the show just to piss people off. It's like no, we're having on the show because we think it'll be funny. That's it. And if it pisses a lot of people off too bad deal with it. I think part of what it is with this creek people, and it's a little bit sad is that they have zero success in comedy. They're not. That funny, not that I have a ton of success in comedy, but that's not the point I'm trying to make they identify with the comedy scene. Yes. And so if the comedy scene itself isn't something that they feel like they can be proud of then they got rely density crisis, where it's like I just the only thing I have is that I'm a part of the scene that's it that they can claim to be a part of the scene. And if the scene has all sorts of things going on that they really don't like they don't have anything. So they're trying to police, your platform, so that the creek in the cave where they do an open mic is still a place. That's reflective of what they think is their comedy. But the real solution is go right? Better jokes. And actually, you know, do what you actually are trying to do, and find fulfilling because it's other things just I don't know. It's counterproductive for your own career, and it's just gross. Yeah. No look. I completely agree with you. And there's something that's really interesting about the New York comedy in that is very like. Like exactly what you just described. It's emblematic of that exact like you have this weird world. I followed Dave Chapelle at stand up, New York. When I was, I believe a year into comedy, maybe a year and a half into comedy. And just he just happened to drop in on the show I was doing. And then I went up after and this was like Dave chappelle lake right after the show. It was real fucking like it was insane. And lots of people have stories like that. And there's and I have no business being on the same show him like what was I? He's the biggest name in comedy like a just started doing comedy, but it was a fucking poster dog show as we used to call them Lewis produced and Chapelle dropped in and having to be at a big comedy club. And so that's the way things go and you have this in the comedy world in New York City, particularly, where there are people who are nothing at the absolute bottom there. Very close to people who are doing real things, and it's not, not as big a contrast is a year comedian, Dave L, but at the creek in the cave, you will have in open mic. That's coming in right after legion of skanks. So we'll be doing a show in this room that is broadcast to hundreds of thousands of people. And then after that some person who's been doing hominy for three months. We'll come into that same space and tell jokes, you know, and like there's something kind of beautiful about that. I kind of like it. It's, it's, it's, it's there's something cool about that. But then there's also something where like you said, there are these people who really now they've been doing comedy, three months year two years for years, whatever, and they have nothing and they identify as like creek comic, and I hang out at the creek and I do the mic there all the time. And then when this thing about skanks comes up there like will, you know, as a member of the creek community, and it starts to make them feel like they're a part of this bigger. Thing. And so it's almost like they want to get in on it, and you don't want to actually take a ballsy stance that might actually get you alienated or get in trouble. So you just take the, the, the easy stance of well, I don't think Nazis should have a platform like, you know, whatever you just kinda wanna feel like you're a part of this thing. I mean my first reaction when I actually saw that people were talking about boycotts and, and, you know, posting the map of the creek, and then where the nearest milkshake places, and all this stuff and, or is it the diner? Now there's a bet. There's places closer than the diner. Rob classic mistake you too far for your milkshakes. But when I first saw that, I mean, just as a human being forget, which, which we're all people first before whatever our politics, were people and my first thought, and maybe this is just because, like I have a six month old daughter at home. I go right away my mind I went, I guarantee no one doing this has kids no-one no-one, who's doing this has kids, but because you just don't do stuff like this. If you're a parent, if you're like I don't know, to do got to pick up diapers on the way, I don't have time to figure out where the fucking milkshake places. I have a little baby that I've got a rock to sleep tonight, and then should probably going to be up in two hours, and then I got a rocker to sleep again. And then you know what? I mean, we just like we just introduced oatmeal and then tomorrow, we're doing some focus week potatoes. So I don't really have time to worry about what's going like, did a podcast have someone. I don't like on them. And by the way, I'm way more. Critical than any of these people are the any of these people who are protesting, legion of skanks could not sit down and discuss politics with me for five minutes before it would become a parent that I've read way more than that. I know their argument better than them, and I can defeat it easily like, I'm not even trying to brag. There are people who know their shit way better than I do. There's people in the inner circle, no shit that I learned from them, and I'm like, oh, shit. This guy made a good point. This guy had a good article about this. But the people who are protesting Milo being on skanks. They know nothing. They you're not even in this world. I'm way more invested into my political opinions than you are. But I got a kid. I don't have time to give shit about who's on someone else's podcast. I, I simply don't have time because I have a life and this is what I start to wonder about some of these people. And this is the point you were making that it's kind of sad. 'cause if certain point you just go like, do you have like, do you have a girlfriend? Do you have friends? Do you have a net flicks? Password, like do you have anything else that could maybe? Fill your life. They are you this empty that you actually are very concerned? But somebody I disagree with his going to speak on a show. They're giving him a platform. You know, by the way, how many of these people, I think Zack Emeco posted something along these lines where he said, and zag amigo, by the way, is a guy who's, you know, I haven't had a lot of deep political conversations with Zach. But from what I understand, is pretty left wing guy. Like, would probably in some ways, be sympathetic to the anti Milo belief system. But he said something like where he was like a instead of throwing milkshakes. Why don't you guys take that money you would have spent on milkshakes and donate it to like a good cause like how many of you people for all you people like it's so easy to virtue signal online? What do you do? Do you go work at a soup kitchen? Do you send money to some 'cause that you fucking care about or is it is this all just a game? Just be honest. If any of you guys are listening to the show today. Just be honest with yourself. What is this really are you really standing up against fucking Nazis, are you. The leader of or are you a member of this fight against evil or you such a good person is that what's motivating you that you're so noble, and the rest of us, just don't care enough. Or is this just a nice way to feel that way about yourself? This just a nice excuse to feel like I I'm doing something good. I'm in this Brealey big struggle. What's your struggle against I dunno. Some flamboyant. Gay dude, says, politically incorrect shit, who's by the way been D platform on pretty much everything you could think of, who you've gone away, this motherfucker. I can only imagine what Milo actually has to live through like after seeing a like a week of what this heat is like coming at. You really something gave me a new level of respect for what friends of mine, like Gavin and like people like that have had to go through where you have to, like legitimately. Have security with you. If you like anywhere you go, if you announce that you're going there, there's going to be people like hell bent on fucking assaulting you or fucking common right up to that line. You know that's a weird. That's a weird fucking position to put somebody in and like to all these all this fucking energy. And I know I've made this point a lot of times on the show. But, like, I really do believe that the left has a role that they're supposed to fill in society. And it's just it's so disgusting to see them waste all this energy on this. Look energy passion outrage. These are all finite resources. They are finite resources you only have so much of it. There's only so many hours in a day, there's only so much energy, you can expend in twenty four hours. Okay that this is a finite resource and. We are involved in the longest wars in American history. Like we lead the world and mass incarceration. There are issues go focus on them. This is supposed to be your shit, not Milo coming on legion of skanks. You fucking children grow the fuck up man like go deal with something that matters, like lefty issues, like by the way. I'm in theory, I should be just as aligned with the left is the right. I hate both of them. But like they both make some good points. You wanna talk about Trump being a fascist, like okay. Yes, he is guess what? They they're pressing charges against Julian Assange, using the espionage act from World War, One like you wanna talk about fascist shit. Okay. There's one go for. But guess what? The whole fucking media apparatus, the whole fucking like like scene is not targeting, you at them so much easier for you to just repeat your muggles. Nutsy. Okay. All right. Fine. It's like I don't know. It's a it's really been something. It's been something to say. So anyway, I dunno I guess, more or less, that's my, that's my rant on Milo being on skanks and you guys are just not gonna like you're not gonna bully us. I don't know what to say. It's like that's I remember I was a I think six or seven years old. I used to get fucking bullied on this block like we moved to this block. That was kinda shitty and they had like a lot of real like, like white trash and a lot of kind of Puerto Rican thugs Brooklyn in like nineteen nine Lewis. Yeah. And then we can started a podcast. Yeah, it was really early margins. No one was doing. Nobody used to get bullied every fucking day, and it would be like, like twelve year olds, bullying me when I was six, and I don't know h gap. That's tough. Ooh. There is nothing scale. Carrier than twelve year old when you're six it's just like a fight. You can't win like it's, it's they're fucking like they're just huge and your and you could hit him with your best fucking punch and they're just going to end. I remember. Like, actually, I remember the day when I made the decision that I was like, I'm not gonna fucking get bullied by these kids anymore. And like I'm just gonna fucking like literally, they have to stop me into the ground if they're going to fucking like keep 'cause I can't live like, you know, it was just one of those, and I was like, I didn't have a father, I was raised by a single mother and an older sister. And like I didn't really have those that skill set. You know what I mean? Like, really taught me how to be a man at that kind of figure it out for myself, which was the story for a lot of lot of guys in my generation like didn't have father figures, single motherhood had to figure out how to be a man on their own and fog in whatever I did I got beat up a few times, but I figured it out and just not not being bullied is something that I've carried with me since then. And if you think like if I were ever going to be bullet now as a fucking of man in my thirties as a father and a husband, you think I'm going to be bullied. Now. Let me tell you. It would not be by these left-wing policies. These guys aren't going to be the ones who folk and bully me out of anything. And I know the same is true for Lewis and Jaso will do the podcast. We'll do it with Milo. My guess is we're going to have fun. We're gonna make dumb gay jokes. We're going to do about that three. I don't know. There's those who don't listen to the show. We do a battle of the bad, bad ass bans. So we're going to do that. And you guys can all fucking deal with that. I guess the only other thing that I should address on this before we move on, and I apologize. I know spent a lot of time on this. But it's, it's something that I cared about, and damn if I can't vent on part of the problem, then what the fuck what where can I vent just yell at your baby? She'll Zorba she doesn't wanna hear I'll be honest. My baby does not allow me to say whatever I want to she's pretty quick. She interrupts very quickly, but I should say there was something about the that Rebecca put out a statement from the creek and I was I was a little bit disappointed in it. I just think that. You know, I love Rebecca and I feel for the situation that she's in and it's you know they can try to play it. However, they want to we didn't put Rebecca fucking bad situation. We do what we do. We were booking fucking show that I saw one person like say, like, you know, the creek gives you a platform, and you do this to them, and it's like okay, first of all, the creek never gave us a platform. They give us a space. Let's get fucking real. The creek never gave us a platform. We give the creek business like, who do you think makes money off that relationship? You think we make money off the creek? No. They make money off us. They give us space in abasement as we could easily do this show at any fucking place that we wanna do at were the ones who have the platform. We built it. We have hundreds of thousands of people who isn't every single episode. We could do this wherever we fucking want to the we like nothing but respect for Rebecca, but let's get real. She didn't give us a platform. She gives us a space. I like the space. I like the creek a lot. I think they do a lot for comedy. And I appreciate everything she's not she's done a lot for me per. Personally like before legion of skanks, like Rebecca's been good to me. And I love her. And I understand she's in a difficult situation. We didn't make it a difficult situation. All these, you know, Astles trying to boycott her dead. And I think Rebecca put herself in a little bit of a difficult situation. 'cause she says these things like, you know, Rebecca will say that the creek is a safe space for, you know, L LGBTQ people, and, and it's, you know something like that. And then she'll also say the creek is, is like a free speech platform where comedians can say whatever they want to, and you gotta understand those two things are diametrically opposed. They are with, like, I mean, not literally speaking, if you're saying, the creek should be a safe space, where no one gets a salted, like, yeah, of course, we all agree with that. But when they say a safe space for LGBTQ people what they mean is, it's not a free speech, but it's not a place where comedians can say whatever they want to. That's what that means to those people. I mean you can't say something that's offensive. And that's not the same as being a free speech venue. So you you've kind of created the situation where you're one or the other. So. Rebecca, you know, had to put this letter out and kind of virtue signal about how horrible Milos that's more or less, what she had to do. Right. So she had to say I was unaware of who Milo was late Thursday. When I found out who he was, and their plans to have him at the creek. I asked the producers to move the recording that is true, but whatever it's leaving out some details, which is that we said. No. And then she said, fine, do it here and then Milo was the one who decided. So that's, but, you know, she's got to say what she's got to say. I don't even know. I don't wanna read the whole thing, but it's more or less just her saying that myla's a bad guy. And she finds views repugnant. And then she does go on to say that me Jane Lewis aren't Nazir's, which I appreciate. But, like, does that really need to be said, does it need to be said that I needed to clarify there was so much noise on Twitter. I was starting to get concerned. I was like, why am I working with these people? Yeah, so I just, you know, I don't know it just kind of bothered me that. Like the tone of the whole thing, which I you know, I understand she's in a difficult position. I really do. But. Look to, to come out and have to say, like Milo so horrible Milo is never done anything horrible, as with all these people who are targeting the creek have done my Milos. I whatever he trolled, Leslie Jones. That's like the worst thing he's ever done as he's a troll who gives a shit. She's the fucking victim here this fucking millionaire celebrity is we're all supposed to feel bad for because she's at meeting said about her on Twitter. Head mean things said about me on Twitter, grow up, who cares? Get a few people who can tweet like shit. Talk me. Almost daily on Twitter. I find it entertaining. It's like like they're not even good at it. I wish they were a little bit like funnier with it or whatever. But it's like I don't know. It's it's a compliment in his weird way. It's like if you if you tweet something shitty at me a hundred times a month, you're much more concerned with me than I am with you. It's like okay, like I don't know what to say. It's like what I said before get a girlfriend, get, get a friend. Get a Netflix password. Get something figure it out. Anyway, I was appointed in what Rebecca said I think she's put herself in a difficult position. The scene has put her in a difficult position. It's just it's really week stuff and. It's, it's embarrassing. I guess the thing I would just close with, and then, then we'll move onto some other stuff. But it really I'll tell you what, hurts me is that when I first started comedy, and this is about twelve years ago, I fell in love with the scene, I thought there was something so cool about it like the art of stand up comedy, which I still love to this day. It's still, you know, might just my favorite thing really is my passion like to just like get on stage with nothing but a microphone and to, like poll, this very specific emotional reaction out of people, which is laughter, which is very like it's different than other reactions. It's like laughter is something that people kind of open themselves up to. Okay. Let's see if this is funny. And then if you hit something you actually pull it out of them, like people don't decide to laugh right now, you say something, and you, you summon it out of them, and it's this positive thing. Every it feels good. Everyone loves to laugh like it's just this positive thing, and it's amazing that like you could just be a stand up comedian. And you don't you're not up there with a band. There's no instrument. There's not a big smoke show. There's not a thing. It's a guy with a microphone, giving you his thoughts and your slapping, your knee and laughing and it's just this beautiful art form. And I thought the scene was so awesome. And at the time, it was kind of, like it was like the end of like the kind of like tough crowd crew day when I first started comedy, you know, it was like it was like, Patrice, and like, Colin Quinn and David towel. And like all these, these guys were just like looked up to so much, and it was like other something so bad as MC, Greg Giraldo, and like these amazing like, like talented, creative people, and it would be, like this is so cool. These are people get up there, and they don't give a fuck, like they'll say the most wildly offensive shit, and you'll be laughing, even though you don't wanna laugh at it because you're like, oh, this is be like God. Damn that's funny. And it was just great. It was this amazing thing. It's an amazing thing, particularly with the offensive jokes, which is what we do at skanks a lot. It's like that you can take the darkest things darkest. Tragedies in life, and make them something positive find the silver lining in them. And this is something that's in my blood, like my, my grandfather was a holocaust survivor, who had a great sense of humor. Like that's all you fucking have when you're faced with such tragedy. And I thought the scene was so cool people were so fucking ballsy, and like, really like and man, just to see what the scene is today. It's just sad. Oh man. That's just sad. It's Michael mouths as the cathedral, and it's like infiltrated the scene to the point that people are just virtue, signaling people who couldn't defend their positions. And by the way, open invite to any of the fucking comedians, who were trashing legion of skanks to come on part of the problem and have the fucking conversation with me, see if you can fuck in defend your position by. The way that's where I'll take back. Any veiled threats that I have before you're willing to come on the podcast and defend your position. Be happy to have the conversation with one of you. Let's but none of you will doesn't think none of you will because it's indefensible you've got nothing and, you know, saying with the comedy, I mean, you know, about the stuff better than me, rob, but it's like the really has been this kind of like this social Justice warrior infiltration of the open, Mike seen everything that's horrible. Yeah. I don't even. For my brand of comedy. It's not fun to do an open mic. So I'm like these people are just going to be annoyed with me. Yeah, like that. That's the state of comedy. At least on the open mic level. I'm like they don't even get that. This is a joke. It's fine. I'll, I'll always like next up in front of a real crowd. Yeah. There's not the kind of comedy, I wanna craft and my you know, my thing with them 'cause, like, yeah, it is crazy. But my thing with them is like, look just at least at the bare minimum, admit what you are. Yeah. It mitt what you are, like this is what bug me about the people being like we just want the creek to be an inclusive venue. It's like no, no, no. You don't. You want it to be an exclusive venue. That's what you want fair enough argue for that. But that's what you want, you want someone to be excluded by definition. That's not being inclusive. Words have meanings. So let's just call a Spade. You want the creek to be an exclusive venue, that does not let right wingers in or anybody who's gonna make fun of social Justice work that, that can't get in right. Okay. Fine. That's your. But let's just be real about what you are. And the other thing they'll be like, let's just be real. This isn't about being offensive. That's not what this is about. It's not that this could be offensive or that this could hurt somebody's feelings. That's not what this is like, I use the example format Michelle wolf. Did this thing on her show where they legalized abortion and Ireland and she announced it, and there was a standing ovation in the room? And she was like go. I are Lind, and everybody cheered. And it's like okay now look, she has every right to do that on our show, wasn't particularly funny. But whatever she has every right to do that on the show. That's fucking her show. Michelle wolf is a very funny comedian she has every right to do that, on her show, but understand that is wildly offensive to fifty percent of the population, but whatever who gives a fuck if it's offensive to them, they don't have to watch. If it bothers them, you have a right to do whatever you want to, but let's get real. You don't give a fuck about being offensive. That's not your criteria. Right. You could go up there and do any pro-abortion joke, you want to it could be the most graphic brutal Joe, you don't give a fuck. If there was some prolife person in the crowd, who was offended by that fucking care. You're not against offending people what you want is not environment where people feel safe. It's not an environment where people aren't offended. It's not an environment. That's inclusive. What you want is ideological conformity. That's it. That's what you want. It's a politically motivated belief system. And by the way, that's fine too. You can have that, but let's just be real. Let's just be honest with each other. That's what it is. You have this worldview. You only want people who believe the same things you believe to express themselves there. That's it, it's just harder to fend that than it is to say these nice words like inclusive, and blah, blah, whatever. So that's my fucking around on the Milo situation, did not think I was going to spend an hour on that. But, you know that's. Yeah. Well, Brian says he did he's right. So hard to argue with that in hindsight. I mean he's clearly right? But I don't even want, you know, we're not this is not what in gangs is going to be even about. So I think this was a better platform to talk about it on. 'cause we're just going to have fun because that's what we do. That's a comedy show. And this is a show about fucking, politics and philosophy. So seemed appropriate to me. So I'm trying to say is happy Memorial Day. Thanks, buddy. 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And then we just happen to follow it up with another one, right? So here's what happens in World, War One. Woodrow Wilson gets us into a war completely based off lies that we never should have been involved with a war between struggling monarchs in Europe that absolutely nothing to do with America. And there was and the conservative wing of the Republican party was hardcore against it, and it was a disaster. And so you had World War, One which was almost certainly going to be to a stalemate and the German subs were, like fucking up the British, and they're there they were doing really good. There's who knows exactly how it would have ended. But there's no question. It wouldn't have ended in a complete and total surrender by the Germans without the fresh Americans this newly industrialized power coming in at the last minute, so we basically let them fight it out for a while in Europe. And when everyone was cold and dying and weak and ready to probably make some type of truce. A fresh America came in and pounced, and it was very driven by financial interests. I mean, there were a whole bunch of people like, you know, the financial ties between like America and Britain, there's a whole bunch of people at their like, look, we need them to folk and win because we've got a lot of outstanding debt in this country and they need to be able to pay it back. And anyway, all worser bankers wars. So we get into this war, America pounces, we dominate we force Germany, to an unconditional surrender an insane on conditional surrender that just could not be justified like they had to take responsibility for the entire war pay off the entire war, dead of every country and also just be publicly humiliated. Take very proud German people who had been an empire, you know, this had been the German empire the Prussian empire the precursors this was a proud people and just humiliate them in front of the entire world. So. Germany signs that we force the this for side treaty on them. And just they're just getting completely plundered. I mean now, by the way, also in the first World War. So the Bolsheviks that the commies in, in, in Russia had tried a revolution a few times, and failed, and then they're troops when, when the military was all had left because the military had held off the revolution. And in the military all left and got extended out into World War One, and then they add revolution it succeeded. So they fucking. So one, the first hiccup is you have the Bolshevik revolution in Soviet Union. Then we got this treaty of Germany. The place has been demolished by war. People are, you know, if you can just imagine like. Fucking in the nineteen twenties. With nineteen twenties, medical innovations, and a whole bunch of people injured from war now they're fucking starving. There broke throughout the Weimer Republic. You had. So, so more or less, the they couldn't meet a lot of the terms of the treaty of like they could. They sometimes they would default on payments owed the French, so the French army would just storm into Germany, Germany, and just take shit. Just take Cole take things from people check a German in fuck inside and take the shit that he had in his pockets, just literally just humiliate the fucking people over and over in order to meet the terms of the treaty of her side, the Ymer Republic governments are printing money printing tons of money and say, you ended up having hyperinflation this literal wheel barrels of cash to go get a Cup of coffee like real deal hyperinflation, and in this environment. The Jews thrived so anyway, Jews doing pretty good. And then there's a lot of other parts to this. But just quick recap of it. And then you had the, you know, you had fighting in the street between the commies, and these other like crazy workers parties, and the Nazis ended up rising up and. Taking over the fucking country in this environment, which so right away, the Bolshevik revolution, and the Nazi revolution almost certainly could not have happened without World War, One like this is the result of in the same sense that you'd say ISIS almost certainly couldn't have happened without the war in Iraq and the war in Syria. The same thing you know, it's like you have a war. There's chaos this terrible groups rise up from that chaos. And then, even after that, there were lots of opportunities for the British a really good book on this subject is Pat Buchanan's, the unnecessary war where he just kind of talks through how the Nazis never even really wanted war with Britain Hitler, actually really admired Britain. They were so white. Well, yeah, exactly they're up there with the whitest and, and they the war pact with Poland was a disaster. The, there's lots of different stuff that you could go look up about whether FDR actually allowed Pearl Harbor to happen or not, like they kind of knew it was coming and they wanted their excuse for war. But the idea that you would ever let it get to this point was just fucking insane. Also dropping the nukes after the fighting in Europe was over was absolutely horrible targeting civilians was terrible, so that, you know, the one of the main arguments that hap- you can and made was that the holocaust, which is used of course, to justify World War, Two in hindsight. Which, you know, of course, was like this horrific crime against humanity, but it's Pat Buchanan's said it was a crime against humanity, but it was also a war crime. And if you don't have the war, you probably don't have the holocaust, you probably have a much better situation like Hitler deporting, all of the Jews or something like that. Rounding them up and kicking them out of the country. I mean, look, my grandfather got out of the country in nineteen thirty eight there were a lot of other maybe thirty nine I'm not sure there are a lot of other Jews who got out around that time not enough. But a lot of them did the problem is that there weren't enough other countries, they wanted to take them from their perspective, at least, but it's not as if he he went genocidal, once the war happened. And so if you're looking at history, you'd be like, well, you'd want to avoid the rise of Hitler, and you'd want to avoid the war, and it's not as if anybody stopped the war, and forget, just even the genocide, which is horrible. But the tens of millions of people who died in that. War. I mean, something approaching one hundred million people died in the war at least between the two world wars. It's just a goddamn nightmares shit show. So the idea, and then, of course, even if you wanna go like Hitler was the worst person ever. And so we have to, you know, we needed to fight that war, and the holocaust, which was never the reason, anybody was fighting the war, and we didn't stop the holocaust from happening. We partnered up with Stalin who killed more people than Hitler and handed him half of Europe. If it was after it was over. So the idea that it's just this noble war is I don't know. It's simplistic and kinda stupid and just what people are taught to believe. So they all believe it, and I'm sure by the after that whole Milo rant. There's your thing for people to be like, David Nazi to right? There you go. But yeah, all wars are horrible. And that one was bad as well. However, updating to a more recent war. Let me in the last few minutes that we have on the podcast. Let me spend some time patting myself on the back because there's one more thing that I got. Right. It seems so. I was one of I gotta say, I really do think I was one of the only people on cable news who was adamantly saying this now, you know, me and you were dead on the money with the whole Russia collusion. Nonsense that was going on. So there's been some things that we've some pretty big stories that we've gotten. Right. But if you guys remember in two thousand eighteen when I was a contributor on unfiltered SE Cup the thing that I would argue with SE Cup the most about was Syria, and I was on a television. I believe two days after the supposed Dumai gas attack or chemical weapons attack, and I argued on on television and to the, you know, to the outrage of SE Cup that I did not believe that, that, that, that Assad had used chemical weapons on his own people and the truth is going back to it. It's like it was just so obvious. It really was so goddamn obvious. I mean why would Assad? A week after Donald Trump announced that we were leaving that we're leaving Syria. Why would he guess you know? A few dozen people, which would serve no military strategic interest for him and would just, just be the impetus to get America to send more troops to not take our troops out. And I mean this is a guy who's been fighting tooth and nail for survival. Why would he possibly do that? It just seemed on its face like you. If you're saying he did this. You must have some really good evidence to suggest it, and they're like, no, we have none. But we know for fact that he did it and so more or less anyway, cutting forward what happened was. Just a few days ago, the OPCW, which is the if I'm getting the acronym. Right. It's the. The organization to prevent chemical weapons believe is what they're called. So they're kind of international organization that, that. Yes. The organization for pro prohibition of chemical weapons excuse me. They, they go round, and they do these fact-finding missions, and they, they're the ones who kind of determine what chemical weapons were used in what wasn't and they put out an official report that, that said that chemical weapons had been used by the Assad government in, in Douma last year. But now there's a fifteen page internal memo, which was, which was released it leaked essentially, and this memo, which was an internal memo did not make it into the report that they put out and basically, showed a bunch of people at this organization demonstrating that this does not seem to be the case at all. And in fact, the likelihood was that the weapons were they are in the city of Duma and not dropped from the air. Now, this is crucial. Okay. So what's going on in Douma? Right. Was. That there were it was a city where there were a bunch of anti Assad rebels as they're called. Okay. So it's the people fighting Assad are holding down this city. Right. So this claim was that Assad dropped by plane, this gas attack on these people who are Assads enemies. Now, if it's dropped by plane, this is done by the Syrian air force, only Assad has an air force. So if it's done by playing this would clearly have to be Assad, and he's dropping it on his enemies, the rebels kind of make sense on its face even despite all the other should I said the bombs were tucked into bed with a lullaby next to a nice glass of milk, and they were like you can't just talk a bomb if you drop it from air. Well, that's right. But that's more. So what they're finding out now is that at least this internal memo seems to suggest is that it seems that these bums were not dropped from the air that they were there on the ground. Now, if they're on the ground that means that they were in this rebel control. Old area. So this seems to be one of two things happened here, either Assad, bombed area where these rebels were hiding out and there were some chemical weapons on the ground. And it ended up in advertently went to the bottle and say, look, yes, or it was a whole false flag to begin with either way. The point is that the United States of America last year. Okay. Forget World War, Two forget, Vietnam, forget the fucking war in Iraq. Forget the war in Libya, the war like all these wars, which are all based off bullshit. Anyway, I just know now it's not even like anyone argues this, this is just a fact last year. We were brought to the brink of another war off. What is now pretty clearly bullshit? And by the way, was obviously, both at the time this is why was arguing on national television who's, obviously bullshit at the time you just look at this, if you have any sense of all these things you can just look at this and be like Yemen this. Another fucking bullshit. Play look into that the bullshit of it a little bit. So here's what fascinates me. Firstly. Go, Google news, Syria, comma chemical attack. You're not going to see any mention of what we're talking about. Also earlier this week in the New York Times, MSNBC were all running an article I forgot who in the government made a release about it, but they made some statement about that. There's new evidence of Syria chemical attack. And so, that's what the that's what mainstream media is running with is, oh, we have to further look into whether or not we have to go to war with Syria, because maybe they stepped over this chemical attack red line. So that's weird. You have mainstream media, Google news, make no mention of this, and then you have this information, which is not even in the report, it was redacted from the report mysteriously leaked online. And then all of your non mainstream media places or pointing to the fact that there's an MIT expert who did a whole whole breakdown on the whole thing to suggest it's not possible at this chemical attack happened from Syria. So here to me is the issue. If you wanna find out what the actual facts are. Your left kind of saying, what's the world view that I wanna buy into don't wanna buy the world v where I think the US government will lie into war. And so it's very likely that this redacted report is actually true or I think that the government and the mainstream media are mostly honest, and so clearly redacted report, only being published by non mainstream media is probably conspiracy. Now you can look at this either way, an either viewpoint is somewhat reasonable you. And I look at follow this more. And so there's more evidenced us suggest. Hey government, allied us. And this is more likely the true thing, but here's what pisses the fuck outta me how there, not some sort of a court to evaluate what is legitimate truth. You're so that we can kind of a full understanding. This is not this is too big to be left to. Oh, the government gets to say it story. Deep internet gets to say it story. It's also like look, I, I hear what you're saying. But it's also like it's not just that the mainstream media, you know. Feels this way. And the government feels this way. It's that let's say, okay. So let's say the two hypotheticals you laid out there, right? Or not hypotheticals of the two worldviews that you laid out there. There's like one world view is our, our. But let me just finish this point, one world view is argue that governments lie into war. The mainstream media is complicit in their lies and don't trust anything. They say it's all bullshit, and here's more evidence than its bullshit. And then the other view is like the government is doing the best can they're being honest. The mainstream media is genuinely honest or you know, the journalists and reporters, and they're trying to get the information out. And you know, this is just some redacted report. One guy saying that it's not in the official release of, of the fucking, you know, the OPCW or whatever. Okay. If that worldview was not our world view. The other one if that were true. Would you think that after getting so many of these things wrong after the let's it's not lies? It's just a mistaken honest mistake, like we really thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. You know, we really thought that was we really thought Ghaddafi was about to go genocidal. We really like all of these things were just honest mistakes. Wouldn't you at least by the fuck nineteenth time we're being pulled into war? And some people are saying, hey, we think this might be a mistake at all. Go, okay, let's hear those guys out. Let's make sure this isn't a mistake. But instead of that, it's that if you were around and believe me, as someone who is doing it. I felt this. But listen, people like Tucker Carlson, and Tulsi Gabbard, obviously way bigger higher profile than may who are out there saying these chemical tax didn't happen. Look at the treatment, they get it's not just like a we think you're wrong. It's like your evil. That you, you're in a sod touting or whatever. Tolsey Gabbard was called. So why would they be acting this way? Why does everything point to our worldview, being correct, and this worldview being wrong? And this is not, you know, this is like a non a small man. This is a matter of life and death. And why is it that we've got Wesley Clark a four star general saying, we're going to overthrow the government in Syria in two thousand three and all these years later. We're still getting propaganda pushing us into this fucking war. And also, again, just look at what I said, on the face of it, it makes no sense. You're saying Assad who fought tooth and nail for his own survival would just for fun just to gas. Some people for no other strategic advantage. He would just go let me guess some people and risk everything. There's no strategic advantage for him. And there's everything for the rebels. So I I it the framework here that this can become a he says, or she says, when obviously, there are actual factor in the facts are gigantic. I mean, if government worked at all, there should be a congressional investigate like these are these this is facts. This is yes or no. It shouldn't be. Hey, we're the conspiracy people over here saying, we think this is what happened in the government's official report is over here in the majority Americans, go. Well, it makes more sense that I would just go with the government official report versus the isn't. And it's like this is buried information that if it's true should be addressed. This is not sweep under the rug like stuff. Yeah, we're talking about a green new deal and Trump's tax returns and all these other things. And it's like we can't we can't get to the bottom of this. Like everyone washing if Washington was there to serve the people at any sense of priorities priorities wouldn't everybody be like, what we gotta get to the bottom of this. This is really important like. We almost went how did this come out, by the way, is this just this last week Justice because I've seen zero mention of it Wall Street Journal new Carlson segment on his show about it. That's cool. Tucker Carlson did a segment. He had totally gabbert on. It is the only mainstream coverage I've seen of this, that there was a really cares. Article in the intersect it took me. Yeah. The intercept article was really good. But it took some digging before I could find this stuff. It wasn't like you could just throw it into into Google and the first New York time, search result whoever made the statement from the government that there's new suspicions of it wasn't even bowl terms and his new suspicions or some like loose term for why we need a reinvestigate or armed. It's, it's unbelievable. How sick the whole thing is. I mean you like if you if you think about the fact that you have this system where the Democrats and Republicans they're at each other's throats, and, and, you know the they couldn't be further apart. And like Nancy Pelosi. Donald trump. They hate each other. And what's what you see playing on a loop on cable news is like Donald Trump tweeted out a video, that's edited of Nancy Pelosi looking like a retard. I mean, isn't this a crazy story? Let's talk about this all day long, but all the sudden when when this chemical attack happened last year, all the powers that be get together and go, we are United in one front, and that's that we need to bomb Syria. I mean, just think about it logically for for a second. How would it possibly be in in two thousand eighteen this is last year? One year ago that America us the greatest superpower, that's ever existed. They go we need to drop massive explosives on the people in Syria in this little country, that has no power influence economy, military anything to speak of, you know, it's so. An everyone agrees that the whole elite class all agree. We need to go to war with Syria, and there can be no discussion about this. And even the people like Brian Williams, who will just bash Donald Trump every single day about, how dangerous and horribly as just talks about how beautiful the bombs are right. Even these, these guys on CNN. It's just like, oh, this is the most presidential thing Donald Trump's ever done that was when he bombed the year before two thousand seventeen but right. Like. It's really hard to not entertain some conspiratorial ideas. If, if you just had to guess, out of your ass, or talking terms of percentages. Do you think it's that the rebels actually somehow got a hold of chemical weapons restoring at these sites sites? Got bombed in the CIA goes. Hey, we can spend a good story here or do you actually think that you have some CIA or some people in the rebels who are linked to the CIA? They see their opportunity to may be stir up American actually get into war, and they actually and the materials often say, hey, we needed to go put these into a couple of the bomb sites. I have no idea. I mean, that's, that's just my guess would probably be that look, I think that. I think the government isn't one thing. Right. Right. So I think that the CIA and other organizations have assets all in these groups in all, I mean, this, look the Saudis and the CIA are the ones go, Google, if you if you don't know about the shit already. Go Google operation, timber, sycamore, and see that it was a plan. I believe it started in twenty twelve that the CIA and the Saudis decided we were going to overthrow Assad. And this is when we started the civil war in Syria to lead to, to ousting, sharla, Saad, because this was this was part of the redirect where basically, you know, we've talked about this on the show before. I know. But basically, when we went and overthrew, Saddam and we installed the Shiites they started realizing pretty quick. Holy shit. We just turned over this whole region to around and now fucking we got Shiites in Iran, Iraq, and Syria, and ran has. Tremendous influence over all of them, and Israel, and Saudi Arabia, really don't like ran, so they made the redirect where they were like we gotta start working on the side of the SUNY is now. And we gotta go so they fucking they had this operation to lead the fucking SUNY. Militant members to overthrow Assad. And of course, the fucking, it ended up being like who are the fucking radical Sunni militants? Well, they're al-qaeda, and they're ISIS these fucking really bad, people who actually pose a threat to us. But so we started funding them, and they were CIA Saudi assets imbedded in all of these groups. So. Who led the decision to do it, who the fuck knows? But probably the rebels decided we can pin this on a sod and the American interests were just thrilled to jump on board with that, you know, like Scott Horton was talking about on the last podcast. Here we had this asset this rainy guy who is telling us that he knew for sure that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction now where the Neo cons getting played by this guy because he was Iranian, and he wanted Saddam to be overthrown. Maybe but my guest tends to be that they knew it was bullshit. They just wanted the excuse. So that's more or less, where I, I guess, but it's just pure speculation. But the point is that look man, even if did guess zone, people it's ridiculous that we'd have to go overthrown you would think even if we knew that Assad gasp. Let's say how insane is it? There's a war where five hundred thousand people have died. By by most estimates a half a million people have died. Right. And millions of people have been displaced millions of lives have been ruined but sixty more died due to chemical weapons. So obviously, we got to go to war. How does that even make sense? How do you have a fifteen page redacted thing that totally changes the entire world? You have this stuff from, I guess, the most important organization then gets like what happens there just seem like weird. Yeah. You have you have dishonest people in the inside and who are at the top of the organization, and what you had was somebody who's honest in there, who's trying to get this in there. So you have somebody who's honest, who's, like, well, look, we have all this information there, and they're like, oh, good work Johnson. We're this probably isn't getting and you don't end up getting promoted in someone else does because they told them what they wanted to hear. And then somebody in the organization it was like, well, I'm gonna fucking link this shit and they week it. This fucking power corrupts man. Like you see, like look dude? Even just a tie it back to all the shit. You see with the falcon the Milo shit being unleashed gangs, most people will just run around and follow orders. That's what most people are doing. They're just like I've been told this is what makes me on the right team. I will repeat exactly what you say, you know, this fucking comedian who J confronted the other day and fucking left, feeling like a woman. He's started saying these things to him. And he was like a well, I think Milo's Nazi, and Nazis need to be deployed formed. And you're like are you are you pretending this original thought that you're having right now? You are just repeating the dogma. But that's what people do. Right. I mean, just look at the nature of religion and how many people it's like one guy gets up and goes, this is what we believe. And everybody else goes, this is what we believe. That's how people are they just repeat the shit? You tell them to repeat. So when you have these org. And by the way, this is what I saw in, in the mainstream media in the time that I've been there. It's not that everybody in the mainstream media is a member of the CIA. There's some there's definitely some like, there are some who straight up our but you don't even need everybody to be because most people just come in, and they go, so this is the deal. Okay. I'll repeat the deal. This is what I need to say to move up the ranks. Okay. Well, we're animals, and we've evolved to survive and to make our lives easier. We didn't evolve desire truth. More people giving out jobs, spores great. I think the gold standard was foolish, and that's really good. Take take take out more money and give it to the poor people. Yet now, go say that on a platform that matters, and you're gonna get one of those jobs this podcast you just lost your. Burns not being the platform everybody. This is an hour h d platform burns, everybody hashtag de platform the fire, we're we're going to get this thing done. That's hate speech, and you're a Nazi. And that's how we're going to end things today. 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A Conversation with Milo Yiannopoulos

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A Conversation with Milo Yiannopoulos

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He's half Greek and half Irish but it's known as Englishman to the Americans with whom he is communicated, extensively. He's gay Jewish by descent. He married his long term boyfriend of African American men in Hawaii in two thousand seventeen but faces frequent accusations of racism is or was strangely attractive to young American Republicans and completed the successful and controversy. Ridden tour of US universities in two thousand sixteen two thousand seventeen for at least two years. He was one of the most well known internet celebrities mid say, on the political front caused more uproar than any other single person that I can think of he collected his fair share. Of enemies, along the way he's often accused for example of being all right. Supporter and accusations justified in the view of those who oppose him by his association with Breitbart for who was netter in my view for what it's worth Milo was such a figure of inner contradiction. Outer controversy that I believed from the beginning that his time was numbered. Nonetheless, the circumstances of his demise for unpredictable. I would say that's in keeping with his apparent destiny after revealing details of his early sexual experiences at the hands of twenty nine year old priest who refused to name he stated that he was an active participant in the events that such currencies were far more common farmer consensual, and people were willing to admit, I don't think he ever recovered from the controversy that those comments generated I should finish by saying that Milo is definitely now on the list of those who know unacceptably socially should ever speak to. So suppose, is one of the reasons why I'm talking to. I want to know what happened to him in his own words. And really give it damn if that's politically incorrect. Thanks Milo, for agreeing to be on my gentlemen, podcast. Thank you very much for having me. I take slightly fatalistic view of my prospects than your introduction would suggest, but certainly I went through an extraordinary tumble, and I'm happy to Shammai Foltz with you. Yeah, we'll let's let's start by reviewing some of your history. If mind, tell me let's, let's start with video history in the UK before you came to the US, it's been long enough so that I think some biographical information would be useful for people. So tell me tell me about your, your life in UK before he came to the US. Let's start talking about what happened to soon as you came over to North America. Shrew. I had very unhappy. Life is particularly very unhappy twenties in London saucer, the journalist in some quite prestigious publications. I was in a relationship that was. I didn't think healthy or happy for the person involved high. Was such, I think I was looking. I couldn't count yet. What I was what I was full what my purpose and it wasn't until I go to America discovered what it was. But I started to explo- at least what would eventually become my? I suppose my civic function goes bomb throw from promoter right at the beginning of Mike. Your journalists. Fairly predictably come from broken home, much, love four from the parent, and I started I go lucky combination. I guess if luck talent writings, the telegraph, which is the most prestigious newspaper Brinson end. Began to notice the gap between the wool that I was being asked to describe the wool that I could see existed at the time I was writing about technology was being asked to say that some women were having a dreadful time of it in the emerging stunt ecosystem in London, which is, as I toast the exact opposite of truth. Eventually these fishes got wider and wider to the point where I. I sort of had this moment where I realized that my profession was a crooked. You know what ended if I wanted to if I wanted to do something with my life, I should either blow it up from the inside by being one will pick something else to do end. That was around the time that I attracted attention of the site in the US, and I from London writing from bribe in the US, and that time, I didn't know what it was never managed Breitbart. And I didn't know he was either anybody knew what it was who was to begin with funny thing when you look at things in retrospect, you know, you get involved with people in organizations, develop a particular way over time, and then it looks from historical perspective lake that was self evident from the beginning. But serving not when you're dealing with a new organization. Yeah. I mean it was new ish. I think that the values of Breitbart changed a lot. But I think perhaps it's, it's motive operandi. I think perhaps the way that it conducted itself as women as Asian shifted into high gear when Steve Bannon, I were there, I was doing the cultural stuff and Steve seizing the rest of the site, as sort of battering ram holistically. So. Bebr a large onto the responsibility for bright, ball becoming what it eventually became though, I didn't think Helen's legacy very well. I think it's a little sad. The way that they're. When I was there, we used to make news now the sort of chasing training, point you know in stores. It could've been written in two hundred fifteen sixteen I don't think they've managed to maintain the. Culturally defining excitement. That was them. When I was there, I think, is a function of mean Steve. What can you? I suppose my central gravity, just don't shifting to the US. I started getting petitions speak. It colleges and soon one day, I just sort of felt there was six of them in arose. So it wasn't went flying between him as to stay and just sort of college up to college famous. Booking. More of them and wondering why I should going home and my central gravity editorially and? In other ways shifting to the US too. So I the course of. The course of six nine months again writing state's thinking around the states being in it talking about it. And then I suppose fast forwards a year perhaps, and I. Was one of the two or three people driving bright ball as this extraordinary, the Memphis fascinating dysfunctional editorial force through the election. So what was it that attracted, you, do you think to the United States in the political concerns there while away from the UK? I don't think Britain, handles Kona class very well. And it particularly doesn't handle bunk. Besting ones. And I think lots of people with outsized personalities find themselves investigating America is an alternative buff, because I think America has much tolerance full outsized personalities while you've been it's pretty clear that you'll have some of the characteristics that made people make people stars. You know, that make people personalities was obvious pretty much from the step with the furthest point. I'm not worried in the long term about my career prospects. You know, I've had a stretch Ferrick rise of years. And, you know, a painful tumble but talent is talent talent always wins. I've got four years ahead of me, you know, of whatever I choose to do with it. So I'm not worried in the long about career prospects. Well, we can talk about your your descent, and. Sort of catastrophe that accompany that in maybe about how you see being pulled out of that. I'd like to hear about that as well. So what in the world, do you think made you so attractive to American Republicans? I mean, this is one of the things that struck me about you right from the beginning because it's not exactly like you're a poster boy for what you would assume conservative, American Republicans would be attracted to so Quinton liked the fact that I was reflecting their views in a package that you would moral from thing would be a liberal, and, of course, I you know, made that part of the action part of the brand, it's kind of, like, you know, all these things in yet still Republican, but the real on there is joy. Does it does a joyless nece about a lot of conservative activists authors, speakers? And there's a joy listening to actual dot web to it's very fun Lewis place. And I look, I look out the. Publican's actual commentators in speaking, his who occurrence enjoying a, a moment in the sun. And each of them is in their own white quite joyless, quite devoid of mirth. And I think that people like my sense of mischief mice, and they like the fact that I was always smiling, and I think it's I mean, it's, it's unusual to see somebody talking about really serious things who is the subject of the most extraordinarily relentless abuse who nonetheless, always smiling, and I have always been that person I've never stopped in twenty seventeen eighteen or today I think people find the very mesmerizing very attractive because and very flexing in difficult to understand given the circumstances in the apparent seriousness of the topics nor there is I think it's I think it's to do with. I mean, you know, joyous Christianity is great gifts to us than civilization laughter. The medieval churches in this place of song don't I think, Christianity's become quite joyless, the only places where there's a really impassioned happy? Spur of worship is in black churches, but white evangelical Protestantism in, in the US become, I think quite suffocating joyless, I think public, the public square is a whole in general, is a miserable place which was miserable place. If you turn the television on people are miserable. I think something about me something. Maybe missing in my brain doesn't get ground down. And I'm watching, you know I had my moment the some some other people are having a moment in the sun. Now that will you know that too will pass, and I'm watching them, and I'm watching them we'll getting ground down. I'm what how do you? Well, that's a good. That's a great question of interest to me from a psychological respective. You know, my suspicions, it's obviously that you're extremely extroverted. I'm not taming any particular brilliance for noting that and also that you're extremely opened announced the creativity dimension, but I'm wondering about your scores on Derarta says amounts like you were. You were subject to a tremendous amount of controversy, and then a quite a precipitous fall under strange and complicated circumstances. And you seem to be able to survive that and you just described yourself as a relatively joyful person. I mean, I'm very happy. I listen, I mean, you know, the conservatives are only. Out off the playing field when they choose to be. Because this this, this so few of us in such a wide open market. The reason I'm not worried about my prospects in the long term is I still wake up every day with joy in my heart brimming with energy, and ideas, most, I don't know anybody in public life, not one person in public life, who could have gone through what I went through not been broken by it. But I'm not. It hasn't beaten me, and I think that come down to a combination of, of personal characteristics that I don't think many of the people possess, and that's part of that is not being. No, I it's impossible to intimidate me for instance. I don't get scared of things. I'm not scared of people. I don't feel perhaps the same degree that other people do embarrassment. Shane so I don't mind playing full playing Falstaff clowning. You know, I don't mind supposing myself law laughing at myself because because through that I'm able to point to two truths that are real big beautiful in pole. Not egotists. So I don't think that's the same thing. I don't mind humbling myself because I play having a big ego, but don't really and I'm not. Ground down all broken or upset by things that you know that, that the to that much I mean I have love in my life. I have achieved more than nine thousand nine point the scent of journalists political activists public figures. You are the only people who have achieved remotely close to a level of success, in our, you know, in the last, ten years of libertarian conservative idee, w, you know, whatever, whatever this brand nexus ecosystem is that we both long to even the people who you know, to achieve greater success. That's it. And I've had terrible things happen to me. You're fortunate think nothing bad is really happened to you yet. I can't think of anything really awful happened to you from the Cambridge thing, which I think I wouldn't call, I think, on yourself and I don't think it was too much of a big deal anyway, but nothing really bad has happened to you. The worst thing imaginable has happened to me. I had stand up in front of the wolves and tell them that I had been sexual abuse child, and this was one, it's Bokan loosely in incautiously and use the formulation, that I regretted about something that happened to me and at the same time trying to make twenty two also say going to start making jokes about that or anything else for other people. I think that level of, of public rituals humiliation would simply have snapped. And it didn't me and I know I mean you're the you're the cycle jokes. But perhaps you have som inside view on this in my personal life friend who has similar qualities and cool throw. To whom criticism is it's a game, and she's able to very an interesting thing is it's not it's not enough to say that we're, let's say sociopathic is quite treating both noughts wouldn't be able to have some of the insights we do. And we wouldn't have the love in our lives that we do if we were supposed to Pathak so it's not bad, but we do both have ability to just pick things up put them over there and not allow them to the borough in and have an trail about seem start seems to me to be that relatively rare combination of extreme extroversion at very low wrong asus. That's not the same as sociopathic. I think you're right about that. I think maybe that's what I got. Some people are just knocked out -ffected emotionally by native events in on some people are devastated by the smallest of obstacles in some people can roll with punches that would take a normal personnel and continue to get back out. And it's early. These bother me in my personal life. But the things that are actually significant whether it's to do with my family or, you know. My loved one or whatever it is. There are things that I that my brain are emotionally significant serious things would be of. Unfettered access to my motions if you like, and they have that, and they produce very strong. Reactions in both directions, very passionate person. I can even be headed. You know, when I'm defending somebody our love, for instance, but there's another wool, which is the professional world, which is to me just a just a big game. It's a big fun game. And this, the reason I'm just tired of trickster, you know. I think that's sense that you do the reason game like element to what you're doing. And, and I very much see I'm doing in life, and we'll be done for the next forty years as playing a very complex very enjoyable game of very a game of snakes and laddis. And just because I hit a ladder on one of my first tons, and then immediately, the snake took me back to the front row. It doesn't into the game as. In fact, it just means you learn the rules. So that's I suppose why I find it difficult to take too seriously. You know, harrowing introspection about whatever, because it just it's not how I at printed situation. I can look dispassionately happen to why we can talk about that. I have some ideas about that. But. I don't have a. Don't have a sort of emotional. I don't have anything to offload about it really. It was. So, you know, when, when that conversation about your early childhood sexual experiences. I came out, I listened to it, and I thought. That there was tremendous trouble brewing, there, you know, for variety of reasons. And if you remember I phoned, you at that point suggested that we had a conversation we made some efforts to manage that never came to fruition, our stilted that was unfortunate. And so I'd like to if you don't mind, I'd like to ask you about that situation because, you know, I had a lot of mixed feelings about what you said like many people, they weren't particularly judgmental, by the way. So you knew correct me if I'm wrong here because I want to get this story straight, you related some experiences. You had with a priest who is twice your age, right? Sandman. Yeah. Proximity proximity that you're about fourteen. I think it was a little older than that, actually. Okay. Okay. We're a little older. It's difficult to judge ages when you awful team. I think I, I think I thought that he was younger than he was at the time and subsequently found out. He was ten years old. I told you was. But there was a. Each age gap. Yeah. Yeah. So arguably, he was someone who is in a position of authority, and that what he did with you with something that he shouldn't have done. And also, it's highly probable, given the nature of such things that you were by no means his only, let's say target. Now when I heard you talk about that the first thing that struck me about the way that you formulated was your refusal to play victim, actually find sequence sofas one, I know I know I know that I know that and that actually struck me as rather admirable because you came forward and said, this is uncomfortable truth. But, you know, I was of sufficient age to have a mind of my own, and this was something I was pursuing my own volition amendment is how I felt at the time and talk about the, the abusive authority, whatever, I've never met with or recognize or respect, you know, people have to earn my respect, I have never encountered a posted in a position of responsibility, or who I have respected and. And deferred to Millie by their office position, ROY, so I just sort of constitutionally recognize authority so that elemental bit did not strike mantle. Someone told me day. Okay. Well, that's the thing. Okay. So we'll I can imagine that because I don't imagine that you were much different in some sense when you were fourteen than you are now in part from obvious knowledge here. Or your assertive and provocative person. And you're Nikon class and I can certainly see that, that intrinsic respect for authority, which so oddly, often characterizes conservatives, by the way, is quite absent in you. And so I thought because we have as the, the tabloid gadfly constantly taking potshots at the institutions that you also secretly love under grateful, but you are dedicated to keeping them on the ground and not, you know, it's the difference between, you know, the British tabloids, which left Toleman out prime minister and the White House correspondents dinner where journalists are seeking to participate in that prestige who rather than brings people down to and make sure they never go, full day, taking himself too seriously. I think that's perhaps British adds a bit of British. The British psyche. Right. Seems given my interactions with British journalists that seems like a perfectly appropriate statement. Now despite the fact that when I heard you speak about what happened to you and my admiration for your refusal to play innocent victim. I also had contradictory ideas that I think were more functional, Mike clinical training, and the two of them that I'd like to discuss with you. I mean the first is. When you think about yourself as a fourteen year old you think about that. Fourteen year old has as yourself you don't necessarily think about that fourteen year old as a fourteen year old and, you know, when you remember your fourteen year old self and then you go out and you see some fourteen year olds. It's actually quite a shock or can be quite a shock because fourteen year olds are often a lot younger and a lot more clueless. Yeah. Then you remember yourself being, you know where you're going with this on, I. While in so so good good. Well, because the second part of what I thought was that, like it. This is this, the incredibly tricky part of this conversation as far as I'm concerned being one of the things that got you in real trouble apart from the fact that you would name, you're the person that you interact with your abuser, so speak was that you made the unforgivable case, I think publicly that this sort of thing happened far more commonly than people were willing to admit, and I just assume as you said that are thought, man, you're you're dead in the water because if enjoy eating well true, that may be, it's not something that can be publicly discussed. It's not, you know. Jam I went to further though, than just that, I took it took it a step further even and said that not only is this, something that happens far, more often than people are willing to admit it is a function of gay life, and gay, right? Adolescence end. The proper subject for humor, and I insist on being appropriate yet. Well, I wasn't even bring those two things up because I thought, just, you know that, that merely bringing up the first part of that caused enough trouble. But I'm glad that you did bring about well, because there's a serious conversation that has to be had about this, and the damn conversation hasn't happened. And I don't mean specifically about even specifically about your particular experience. Although I think it's a way into the conversation. It's like the first question is, well, it'd be it'd be interesting to take apart. Some of your claims I'd like to do that with your permission. I don't expect this to be an easy conversation notes wasn't expecting to be so good. Okay. Okay. So the first thing I would say, is that. It isn't obvious to me that, even if you were willing participant in what happened to you, when you were fourteen that, that justifies what happened to you on the part of the person with whom you were participated, one of those, the whale apprehended it was that it was me, right? But and, and when I said, a moment ago, I think I know where you're going with this. I can interject with very small data point that, I think explains how I think about this off to some time in reflection, which is I have something. Now, the didn't have in twenty seventeen which is a relationship with my stepson. And. He is sixteen. And when I think. Let's not. Finished asphalt. But when I consider, how old he is an put myself that age, suddenly, the horrible. I see everybody else's faces that I have never felt myself about what happens to me natural has never been never been communicated for me is sort of knowledgeable unawareness, that this is not normal. The this is a horrifying terrible things happen to, to a small person never, ever handed it like that because I just saw that fourteen year old is me today. Right. Right. And that's exactly what I picked. That's exactly what I picked up from your from your inter until the last two years. Now, I'm a now I'm experiencing getting to know child yet as a poker step, mom, and now I get it. Okay. Now, hey, all right. So, you know, I've seen this with my clinical clients, you know who, who. Failed to notice in some important way that the person they were sometimes decades ago is not the person they are now and the memories they have from those times, which are appropriate to those times are not the same memories that reproach to those times now given their relative maturation. And I think it took that. That change in my life circumstances. For me to, to jolt me into realizing exactly what you're saying. So let, let me ask you some questions about that. So. What what's, what's changed in the way that you've you what happened to you? If you were interviewed while I guess, you are being feud vote this right now, if you were being interviewed about what happened to you at age fourteen. I have two questions three questions about what do you think of the propriety of that? How do you now view your role? What do you think about the culpability of the person that, that I would say in common parlance? Preyed upon you how has that shifted in the same way that there is a has been ruined by the progressives. We both hate so much a proper place for outrage. It isn't necessary in right? Human instinct, emotion that has a place. There is also, perhaps much is it has been ruined by the progressives proper place for victimhood when you are, in fact, actually victim. Right. And I think that now I realized that I was one when I didn't know that I was wanting twenty seventeen. Yeah. That's a hell of a thing for someone in your position. Right. It's rough man. And I and I think that that's his conciseness true notes, as I can give you. Okay. So let's, let's. Answer. Because now I, I look at somebody, I care about who is two years older in the full of me that agent someone taking advantage. Suddenly, I get it. I get it. I'm like, I would kill the guy, I would we'll cover there would shoot him in the head. Like I get it now. Different things to different. Didn't get it when I was. I didn't get it. When all I had to go on, was my memories of being time yet. But what are the things that struck me as so? Absolutely absurd. About what happened to you, in the aftermath of that interview was that I thought, okay, this is really and it's exactly what I would have expected to happen to someone like you because you're so contradictory is that? Is that you actually had a claim to victim status, which you then refuse to capitalize on? And then which people refuse to bloody well, recognize in the midst of the interview like the proper response to that interview should have been something like, well, here's someone who's talking about case of child sexual abuse, but hasn't realized or recognized that they were in fact, victimized in that situation and hasn't come to terms with whatever. That might mean common among people who have been through these experiences because I have since writing about this run a little bit about this in the in, in a short presently. In things. I've, I've brief mentions made of it since twenty seventeen a lot of people have written to me with their own accounts. It's not uncommon. I have not. Not not that experienced this sort of thing. And I guess there's some point in middle age with penny. Trough. But yeah, I, I guess, I guess, you know, there is there is a right and proper place to acknowledge and understand that you were victim of something again, I have to. Another thing that upset people, I think another thing that didn't do many favors. But look, I, I am someone who will always just speak it as I see it, and that will have terrible consequences will have great consequences that calculus will change over the next few decades. But. I just. It wasn't the worst thing that ever happened to me and people find that a terrible thing to come out of your mouth. But it just wasn't. It's normal thing that happens to me and. Okay. So, so I got a couple of comments on that mean boat twenty years ago. The American psychological association published a famous paper showing that most people who were sexually abused as children recovered with very little psychological damage and clause. Absolute outrage, the US, congress, in fact, forced, the if I remember correct. The American psychological was one of those sable crudes, isn't while they wait track. They had to retract the article even mansion, the sort of trauma, that were expected to recognize the someone says they experienced because of mean was on the internet any, we have this. We have is Coney based on what we will know is not true. But the these trivial frivolous things can cause some kind of actual trauma for mobilization like that or for someone in public life too. To come out and say this huge thing actually didn't cause me that much trauma. It sorted in perils, the whole victimhood economy, doesn't it because if it's the case, that many or even most people who experienced this simply don't have the lives ruined in defined by that rather imperils the people who've made a career out of skulking victimhood, full fall, far less serious experiences. I think that's probably when the fr- to the system, kicked in where. I think that's true. I think it's also the case, the, the politicians the also looking for a cheap victory moral victory in some sense, also concerned that this was a potential step towards justifying pedophilia on the basis of undermining the claims of it's absolutely catastrophic consequences over decades, whereas what I saw was was more as a testament to the fundamental, resilience of human beings. We tried it isn't. Isn't that a positive thing isn't that wonderful news, that there is there are these extraordinarily evil people who do depraved things, but the chumps zone you'll be Ryan. You know, does something like this could happen to you could happen to somebody, you love or somebody, you know, but the, you know, Trump's on things will be okay now every once in a while somebody is just blown apart by it. And you could never put them back together. But that's not most people fabulous news. But good news is the soda thing that out current political climate the public square in America's specially hates. It's not so much, whether it is it particular kind of reaction to for instance. People being people being grateful and happy, the capitalism is, is, you know, lifting millions of people out of publicy. All that good news is because much of what goes on in public life. Basically, the whole journalism industry much of the entertainment industry. I mean, the, the whole of polite society, the whole politically, correct society depends upon everything being terrible imperil getting all the time, visitors shrieking urge hysteria of the press is. Made to look ridiculous. When you point out actually, the world's pretty great knowing that none of many people, go hungry. Not that much bad stuff happens. The bad stuff that does happen. We're discovering in all the time that human beings bounce back in ways that, you know, we never never even imagined the world ain't bloody bat. Nobody wants to hear that who has invested in at least it isn't isn't it least it's nowhere near as bad, as it once was which something or as bad as bad as prophets. The media to suggested it is profits the academy just suggested it is, you know, these people these people have having. Having relinquished the primary phone. Whether it is speaking truth to power, and, you know, printing the news, relating. The news is fit to print all exploring the human condition human nature and, you know, building a expanding. The horizons in the sum total of human knowledge that Megyn academy given up on those missions instead replace them with an activism depends on hysteria, but also on urgency on a source of this constant drumbeat. This is why you know, it's always something new always something you as soon as something might look like it's resolved something evermore hysterical. New must be produced this, this is the natural life cycle. Isn't it rights movements the gay rights movement, which basically chiefs everything possibly ever want? It is somehow becomes more historical, not less than starts focusing on ever more, minor insignificant. Things like transgender pronouns rather than aids, a now, one of the gay charities, run by lessons are preoccupied with. Transgender pronouns. You don't hear anybody talking about fact. Thanks these, these posters on new trams on the subway at one of the coke, and they end they're saying that there's a guy that any school Hernandez Hernandez, whatever and his end, the poster saying his levels of HIV, thanks medication. Just undetectable transmittable, either a basically encouraging gay men to have sex with HIV positive of yet. I mean, it's kind of like sick, this is because conservatives completely stepped out, sphere, entirely every time it conservative tries to say something in the gay world, even if it's with good intentions to help get killed. So as Republicans even soul sensible people simply stay out of Bellevue, BT stuff, and they just don't get involved in it at all. So you get sick. Crazy light men with this situation where they're encouraging these reckless, unsafe horrendous behaviors in who suffers the most marginalized communities -able. You know, it's a gay black Americans have a one in two chance of getting Trevi. Right. That's, that's crazy. And this is this is this is what gay teaser Knox talking about, while they are insisting on these whatever this is, this is the life cycle of rights movements when they went out of things to plan it. Let me ask you another personal question. Before I turn to something that will probably get even more trouble in more trouble. We'll see. We'll see how that goes. But if subjected me therapy session, I think you can you, can, you can even get yourself into trouble as as compensation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. While there, there should be plenty of trouble emerged from this, so. Well look now. One of the questions I had again, as a consequence watching that interview was because you portray yourself as an equivalent partner in some sense. I thought look that means that might house updated his memories. They're still the memories of fourteen year old and that, that's a problem and. And so new said that, that's something that you've actually rectified the last couple of years. And so that's, that's very interesting to hear about. But then I was also convinced that because you were still viewing what had happened to through the lens of your fourteen year old your I Kana classic and rebellious fourteen year old self that it was possible likely, even although not necessarily the case that you underestimated the consequence of this interaction on your subsequent life. And so now you just told me that know worse. Things have happened to you twenty year. You're you might be right about that. Because in twenty seventeen vents what I film, in the course of writing the book just did announce the question. Could this affect the trajectory of my sexuality? Yeah. I wonder well so so, so what, what in retrospect, now what do you think what do you think it did to you? I don't think it made the difference between being gala note. Okay. Why not? Because I think that that was already happening. And I think that I was aware of that. And that was very much. You know, some gay people talk about, you know, being a little bit over into gay, or law or whatever, you know, some, some gay men can can camps, or mansion, having sex with women. And for others, it's just, you know in the way that straight men will talk about his sexual encounters now. I have had a few in Kansas with women, but they were very unsatisfying miserable. Both ponte's. And I think I'm quite, I don't my hunch is. And I can't provide any evidence hunt shits this did not make the difference. I think that too. Like everybody, the mixture of nature nurture in my case was probably swung over in that direction by lack of good male role. Models relationship with my mother. I distinctly remember picking. Ethnic minority male sexual partners. And making sure that my mother's soul may bring them home, while solely ant with them twin tag always distinctly remember, picking sexual partners to annoy my mom as demented. That sounds and God. That's, that's, that's a Chris, I mean, like three our conversation. Now I'm gonna take trolling very seriously. I just I'm not saying I when my mom or the we have made, but remember Ellen of mischief defiance in that which is always being at the core of my personality, just this, this reflexive in unshakeable, refusal to bow to any kind of thirty. What were you? Did not, but not just from my nose it. But to rub that will throw sees face in whatever it is that authority finds much. I'll tell you. What's interesting so first question, there would be, perhaps what in the world where you so irritated or angry at your mother about that, that might have been one of your potential reactions? I have said this in public before. So I didn't mind sharing it with you can my mother remarried and her new husband was. Occasionally physically and constantly psychologically, abusive, I guess with would that we would use now deeply unpleasant. Homelife. Things like so very private kids, and I had all of these, like, papers where I had written out poems in constructed these systems. And I just I just had a very high about a wool when I lived in the realm of mentioned nation fantasy and. Private space in privacy was very important to me and my mother's new husband when I was at school would go into my room shuffle things around just to the I knew he'd being. So I knew that there was no space that was only mine, and I knew by extension that it wasn't welcomed that I shouldn't be this along as I was under his roof. I've never human being. And I would never have my own privacy net for tournaments as as a human being. And I blamed my mother for this. I was blames my mother for not leaving him when he hit me. And I blame my father for taking my way, although Allston too. Anna chain-reaction of resentment for both of them. Right. Okay. So most of the major authority figures in your life as parental figures had. Your experience at that point was of, of betrayal of various Neg of various magnitudes. Right. As they didn't have my back, bright it from, from, from proper betrayal, all the way down to just know having my best interests on having my back and, you know, all manner of experiences on that spectrum. But I didn't think I felt like my mother would go to the wolf from me, right? That's yeah, that's rough man because one of the things you really want from at least one parent, or at least one person in your life is the notion that fundamentally man, you gotta have someone who's got your back to get it laid out, a did get later in my mid to late teens with my grandmother as many on bolster they end up skipping generation forming a close bond with grandparents. I did get it from my grandmother, and I go sort of uncondition. The love and support that I recognized again, in the Mandarin. Now. So I have had that since in my life and I'm not wanting for it. I don't like it. I'm very happy with the amount of it that I now have, but I didn't up for it in some sense, ohficial for sure. But I didn't. But I didn't have it at the time. And I do remember really wanting to hut. I remember I think one of my, it addition to my ability to sort of see round corners, coat culturally incident. Tell what's coming next, which I'm very good. I'm also very good. I'm very good. It's sort of been shoe, tiddly figuring out what makes people take him what drives them and I quickly dented the social Justice is sort of hurting one team wants to like they were. Like they were when I when I very, very facade aging speeches, because it was something I had felt myself, but only as a child, I had grown out of it and clearly had grown out of it. Right. But I saw in them that same sort of petty vengeful vindictive desire to make the world. But because they were hurting that I felt myself as fourteen fifteen year olds end. So I understood them and that's why I was able and still am able, like nobody else to get under their skin, because I get what makes them tick in a way that many other people do because none of the conservatives who sort of, you know, withering, you know, will or contemptuous them, actually, understand whether coming from, like I do, which is why they hate me, like they hate nobody. Right. Well, because part of the thing, that's so strange vote you is by all rights. You should be on their side. I should be one of them really. I won't be right, right. That's their that's right. Logically speaking, that would be your natural resting place. And so it is one of the things that, while I also thought right from the beginning that was one of the things that put you in, in terrible long-term danger of encountering a scandal that would do you in? I mean, it just seemed so improbable to me that you could weather that degree of. That's what I mean, by the paradoxical combination that you bring to the situation. It's just it's too many contradictory things to maintain themselves, regardless of your psychological, integration or lack thereof. I mean, I think I'm pretty well adjusted now but I think peps another reason this career to bother me is the item. I don't will can the same Konomi that a lot of other people do in the prestigious Konomi. You wanted prestige when you Cambridge for that fellowship, and ends, you sort of invited that little embarrassment on yourself because you asked for it because although you've declared said I asked for it. But that wasn't exactly a few didn't he didn't. But you declared war on Kloss of institution. You know, a higher education to then also, full or expect or be pleased to receive bulls from institutions that you have declared war on struck me as very old and obviously destined for, you know, a mess. Neutral point modernising coast moment, of, like false optimism. I didn't think it's full optimism. I think it's I think it's because you still live in the procedure Konomi because I think that's up matches to, and I think that you probably prefer to see these institutions fixed, and to have a prestigious place within one of them rather than to see them to the ground as so many conservatives and progressives seem to warm. They just wanna tear. I don't think you won't that. I think you want to fix it. And I think he wants to be krill, cannery speaking, you know, the fixing things is better than burning them to the ground if thing I think you'll want to fix them. And I think he won't be one of the crown jewels. I think you up in the prestigious economy in a way that I simply don't and that gives me power because I care. You know that sort of like a scandal from which you will not recover is this, somebody in polite society who will invite me to generosity. Who won't invite me to Monte now? Who would have in January twenty seventeen is there a TV show that will have me on that won't have me on now? But would have in January January. No, I mean, I had a bullet on Bill Ma because of the college tool, but there is no hope in hell no way in hell, I was gonna get a TV show or anything like that. Because unlike you bite my tongue and you know you think are. I see you knew bring in a way that suggests that you want to do a lot of good in your prepared to make some compromise to have a platform replaces purist, and we different that because I come by my tongue and if I'm across the table from somebody who is Otis piece of, you know what I'm gonna tell them, and it's, it's my greatest asset my greatest weakness, but it's because I'm a purist in a way that your end. I just I don't live in that prestige economy that the rest of you will live in and you all live in it, every the whole conservative, libertarian media ecosystem, you all crave. Persecu-. Mean by the what do you mean? By the prestige economy. Exactly. Position. Recognition. Titles being a of a sort of alternative polite society. You don't want to be excited from the church because if you did you wouldn't assigned CIA, you wanna be the church. An I don't I. It's very difficult for people who are caught the prestige economy, but people who won't the TV show won't the fancy agent won't this one that were in, they won't fix and rule is institutions. It can be very difficult for those people to, to truly understand someone like me, who genuinely imagine anything, was, I cannot imagine anything awful than having to make this constant compromises in what I say in do in order to maintain a position because I know it's doomed anyway. Look Roger scrutiny. Did nothing wrong. He is beyond reproach. He is. You know, he is the full most conservative intellectual of his generation, and they just got him for saying something Uttley innocuous. In an interview they're gonna get you. Anyway. Nothing bad has happened to you yet. But it's going to say that with any pleasure whatsoever. I sincerely do not because I been expecting that for very long period of time. Many, many bad things have happened to me. They just have. Not really. I mean in, in compared to some of us have gone through, whether it's loro or meal, or extra or whatever nothing really bad fair enough. You know the depend on your comparison group. Well, they, they are allowing you to grow. I'll tell you what did the doing with you, what did me which is you allow this, this phenomenon to blossom up to the point, you cannot bear any longer, and then you crush it, and that is. Horrifying warning to others not to overstep. So they did it with me. They let me guess far as Bill Maher on the tour and all the rest of it. And then they came for the letting you climb higher. So you're is going to be just like mine was, we'll get you on something else, though. Guess you look at a complete nothing book because mine, let's face. It was nothing Bogo. It was the supposed scandal was predicated on Edison video, which did not show that I said that I felt the age of consent was about right. And it was based on it was based on a line, if it had been the case, the everybody had seen what I really said. They might have said, please explain this, but it would have had the same effects. It did have the effective because it was a deceptive dishonest misleadingly edited video because I had created enemies on both left and androids the establishment. Right. And the whole teamed up to take me out, you all will get into the same position. So, so why do you see that it was the establishment? Right. Do you think they're the ones who did it? It was Reagan in battalion national review crowd. Who put that video together and shed it, they were the ones who manufactured this, because they were upset that I didn't give stuff about CPAC, because it means nothing to note it walls at the time, but they were upset, they're speaking CPAC, because it was it was like their precious. Pew. Conservatism thing had been over by Trump world. Ryan's. Right. Right. So they didn't catch much about Bill mall, but the sort of the national review Reagan battalion crowd in created and propagated in shared in whatever with this deceptively, edited video did, so because they couldn't pay the full of me being the Staunton seep can't. So you think that, that's why they pushed so hard on the pedophilia front? Yes. Because I knew it's the one thing that conservative base would go. Yeah. And the left didn't take me out the right did. I wasn't aware of that. No. Well, took you out to is well, so power is power does elect have may, why are they doing to me now that they weren't doing January Chinese twenty seventeen. Nothing. Well, I think I think what might my pressure. I'm not suggesting that I'm correct. But my impression was that it had something to do with the second of the two or three topics. We were going to discuss which was year claimed that experiences that you had Iraq very characteristic of the community. Now, that was unknown. No. You see. Interestingly will actually happened about that specific thing is the entire gay liberal establishment. When silent. Because what I said was. And I wouldn't phrase this phrase it this way, again, because it was, it was not quite, what I meant, and it was, let's say, incautiously phrase, to put it mildly what I said was the relationships between older men and young. I should've said, younger men are a common function of gay life. And I think I said, I'm afraid I think I said a lot of drinks a late night livestream. They can be hugely positive experiences. I shouldn't put it like that. I should have said they are function of gay life. And in many cases, the thirty five year old man with a twenty year old or whatever very often thirty five year old will have been duct the twenty year old into the gay way of things show them with clubs. Aw, show them the ropes. In lieu of parents. Because because the boy's parents don't understand him. Maybe don't even know over jetted will whatever Severi often is sort of fog isn't either vote Killa, or a paternal dimension to these relationships on that point and indeed throughout the throughout the whole controversy. The gay left went silent on February twenty first second third twenty seventeen gay June lists were nowhere to be found in America because they did not want to have that discussion because they know it's true. Okay. We'll still is that the consequence of abandoning you by inaction, then no-no what I'm saying is that, that's not that, that what I'm saying is that, that's not what was so forgivable doesn't not was wasn't that was the problem. Okay. So, so that well, in that case, then I guess it's a matter of not so much difference in age. But the difference in winds in win that. Age difference starts. So they'll say, well, so, so we've had a conversation so phone, which presumes that the contents of what I said, was important in that we should dissect it, this is a mistake, because it doesn't matter what I said, it doesn't matter, whether it was right to say, what the nuances vagaries our particular statement that I say is deceptively, edited hero, whatever doesn't mess natural established, and it was repeated by Ryton left and the post objected from, you know, from public life from what have. Right. This is kind of have to you. This is what's going to happen to Ben is what's going to happen today Rueben because nobody stood up for me the playbook became established. And now that is your fate, all of you. That's how you're gonna go out and it doesn't matter what you say doesn't matter what was subject was doesn't matter. What the in courses fries was. I'm in Kansas could could happen to hurry cently with her. Stupid this stupid. She tripped over herself saying something about Hitler and, you know, there was a sentence that I'm sure she would phrase differently second time, everyone sort of, knew what she meant, but it could could if the had aligned have done to her what happened to me in Feb seventeen. The content doesn't matter. It was the fact that the left and right. Decided to take this person out in any pretext would have done fun. So we had to discussions that are talking about what was it? You said that was acceptable. Nothing it was me. It was the fact that the mystery look fair enough in ought. I'm not disputing that, that there are any number of reasons to make you a target curious about why it was that particular interview that did it because Saudi house because. I was scheduled to be the storm speak at CPAC, and the national review crowd crowd could not handle it. So they went through the hours and hours and hours and hours of old live streams, and they found something that would. The they found something that would get get to the Republican base something that could sell to alienate me from Republicans RAV in just the left and then they decided this person's gonna go. This is the power they still have and it's a powder. They will leverage against the rest of you to my question is, we can talk a little about where I'm going to go next. What do next? Professionally, because I think it might help the rest to when this happened to you. But. It's. This is a powder. I still have. It is a pow that they can in will leverage against other people. Unfortunately, the brightest song and the greatest standard-bearer the, you know, the court jester of the movement, was allowed to be decapitated the cost that happens. The playbook is now established for to happen to everybody else, and it will happen to everybody else. It's already told the people you've seen it happen since two others. Right. Sargon cowed. Exactly less lesser lesson. This is now how it's going to be, and it didn't have to be like that. The only way that this boycotting defenestration. Could have been successful would be Republicans refused to would have been for publican said, okay. We buy into anything. We won't have already are shows his too hot to handle too much drama too much hassle. Right. What the left does is immediately stopped putting that personal conference stages in panels to get over that period of, like, who is this person gonna become untouchable? They railroad a drive a truck through that by immediately getting posted on TV in conference stages. A lot to sort of. To, to, to to drive through that. And to, to make sure that person doesn't get removed from the collection. Right. That's left us when something when Linda saw stores discovered to said something awful Sunday. She's on conference stages. Every two days, it seems like you know she speeding on June. Is this is an accident on purpose? This is the left. Leaping into action to ensure that she survives, right? Conservatives to the opposite with me. They allowed the left and the establishment Republicans who hate them to dictate who would would not be a proper subject for discussion who should and should not have, you know, a column and all the rest of it. That was absolutely suicidal. And the reason that so many other media figures were secretly happy to see it happen to me is they're idiots who believe that this zero sum game. They think that by removing me they spice themselves. This is not true. There is nobody in the conservative libertarian ecosystem, who office, I do there. Is this not a single? Fucking one of you can crack a good joke. You know, no yard good off on stayed on YouTube. You have you give not one of them. Notice single, one of you is funny, notice single, one of you could have late night trash. Oh, you know. Cabaret comedy. Join us, you know. None of nobody his fill the void left by me, because I'm a once in a generation town and sorta, it's just it is what it is. Nobody has filled that void which is one worried about coming back to coming out of retirement and refilling myself. But something did happen to me and that's the. I saw gave up on conservatives a little bit. And so when I do turn it's going to be very much more in the mold of conventional comedian. And that's what I am currently closing funding to do as we speak down here. Much more in the van of, of an entertainment figure, and much much less the politics. So the effect might be a relief for you. Well, not really, because I enjoyed it, but the effective this hasn't been to kill me the effects of the cowardice of Alba, conservative media figures and the conservative base their failure to stick up from in February seventeen. It wasn't to kill me the effect was to lose one of the greatest, and most effective champions. 'cause I'm fine. I'm doing good. So let's talk about that. The fine. So I wanna go back to still have a question about the, the older man younger man relationship issue. We talk about something else. Well. For humor me for two more minutes because there's actually want to go with this. So the first issue is where's the line property on those relationships as far as you're concerned with regards to age, and we're and we're is it usually drawn because ocean now you're trying to get me now you're trying to get me in trouble. I I'm not I'm really not. I don't wanna get you in trouble. And I don't think there is a line to properly be drawn, because you're basically just talking about talking degrees of degeneracy, at that point, you, you know, the fact that you get saddled with this abberant sexual morality, then have to go out and make the best of it. The fact that you find this paternal or vote Killa dimension in a in a relationship in demand that may also have a sexual component. I mean is this layer layer on layer of dysfunction? So you're not gonna get me to say ten years is the right debt because none of it's the gap it's all fucked up. Turn it if. I mean, partly party hypothetically wish conversion therapy, varies. I wish conversion therapy, worked at least said that before at least in the case of lesbians, we know that we can push women back into back, back with men on most of them will be happier. Result with men on the other hand, some of us are just gay. And. I'm not going to be drawn. What the correct kind of? Fucked up. Experience. I wasn't I wasn't trying to corner, you, you know. Well, I don't wanna corner you. This is something I'm really curious about because you made the case, he made a strong case relationships between younger men and older men were very common in the gay community about making the case. That's an established factor in everyday postal knows that that's going to do with me. That's just me pointing out something that every post them knows, which is that when, when people I become sexually active aware of their sexual orientation. Or they I thought to go out on the scene. Whatever they very often form an attachment with an older man may just be somebody five years older in some cases, somebody little build fair. How often do you think that's happening at the age that had happened to you? Time happens everywhere. And I think it's. I think it's an inevitable result of having a. An Aberdeen sexuality where you have to seek out unable tons of print parental figures, because you don't fit for purpose for this particular part of at lessons. Right. But then you said too, that this isn't an objection that you don't see a clear ethical pathway forward out of that it, none of its ethical. I mean it's all debase to degenerate, but it. What what case? So what do you mean by that? Exactly. Because I've seen as an element of predator Innis in almost every day interaction relationship. And this is just one example, where it is moral and more visible. But I think that. There is a predatory component in even Abe even gay friendships. You think about the way that some well, that might have something to do with the more arguably with the more predatory element of male sexuality. Right. Right. And you talk about on discussable things, will you take the controlling calming immediate mediating influence of women out of the equation and men just pipe each other up, which is why, why game end up promiscuous right? Because you're taking out that some restraint right? Exact restraints look, does it taking out restrain this hypocrite, provided by the woman, instead, you can just, you know, whatever hypothetically that was supposed to be solved at least in part by the introduction of, like socially sanctioned monogamous relationships. Right. Because I've had friends, I knew about heightened male, promiscuity among the homosexual community and its height by substantial March. And the liberal types who I thought were reasonable in that certainly don't think all of them are made between to me that the reason for that enhanced promiscuity was that all the male homosexual sexual activity had to occur behind the scenes ended. It was impossible for man's that's ridiculous. Ridiculous argument. Male male homosexual promiscuously is obviously simply function of what happens when you put two mend together trying to other new don't have the restraint of a woman. It's, it's obvious. And also kennels. Successfully box a transgressive sexual identity into a hetero patriarchal institutions like marriage, an expect gay people to just suddenly become, you know, normal, monogamous, whatever isn't what like that. Well, it seemed to that's far. So, but it seemed to me that in some sense that, well, here's something else is going to cause trouble. It seemed to be that, that was kind of part of the bargain, like wasn't that the bargain that the Iowa. So that was the deal is that, you know, in exchange for having this millstone around your neck in exchange for the exchange terrible agony of giving up from the hood, which, you know, you don't and blah, blah, blah, but ultimately, basically, it's like joining the priesthood you give up. In exchange you get to participate in a sort of tabu breaking transgressive experimental life, the performs some kind of societal function might even performing evolutionary function. And the excitement of the marginal. Exactly. And that's that's why I mean, I'm I am the wolves greatest hypocrites on one subject, and one, subject Onen gay marriage. And that's because I don't have the full games idea what I think's still even though I got one I'm under no illusions that it is a union under under the Lord, but I am I remain politically against gay marriage, just put that I got one because I've met somebody who completed man. I couldn't think of anything else to do, but of course, I would marry him. So very a I'm a missile met subject. Yeah. That, that's, that's definitely a mess. That is make no claim to cohere logical positions on that one subject, once I'm a mess, but the reason I always was so skeptical of gay marriage, is that it was it was rubbing of the one thing that we had the one good cool thing about being gay that you had an exchange. For the awful HARA of not being able to produce a child with the person you love in the ordinary course of, of sexual congress. When you realize that, and I don't think a little gay people realize that, but I realized it quite early when you realize that the bottom of your world drops out, and you have to do something else, you have to find a puck. And if purposes and going to be followed his, what so many game engine the priesthood because they want to be a different kind of father, you know, they, they want to, to be to shepherd. You have to find some other kind of purpose Burr per game. And that's creativity experimentation license that were given by the rest of society because we, we don't have this other thing. Trying to cram again, I'm complete hypocrite subject, because I live in total married bliss. I live in. I live in beautiful monogamous, domestic hominy. So I'm one hundred percent hypocrite on the subject. But it just it still feels to me a shame to condemn, you know, our experiment is, you know, the people who so represented in office to musicians in even politicians in Wollo. It's condemned into the same. The same monotonous drudgery that you breathe us have have to submit to. Yes, imagine that it's sort of it's sort of greats against your. What would you call it your, your anti authoritarian my rebellious, the rest of? Yeah. Yeah. I'm I got poetic Justice in some sense. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is one of the many things that convinced his mealy God, Israel, because there's, there's a Huma in that which could only have come from someone doing them up just being like you know what I'm gonna. You know what I'm gonna give you something. That's just gonna make just going to remind you that you don't know it all, and it's going to confound you for the rest of your life. Remind you that you too messy and complicated on this one subject, you are never going to be coherent logical. Good luck with that. No. I've another terrible question for you. So I, I read. Martell book on the Catholic church about homosexuality. Nevada airy. Contentious, booklets, say, written by gay man. Who claims that homosexuality is extraordinarily commun- invalid, it is. And so. Kinds of relationships that you described between older men and younger men are common in that culture as they're calling in the rest of the culture. Yes, they're open subject to, and I can tell you for facts that both of those things are true. It's cooled them. The lavender mafia in the Baskin, it is the, the for those, those views who don't know h is a cabal all, not just gay bishops. Specifically progressive left wing gay bishops. Yes. And my was a little bit more politically focused his mind was drawing attention to the fact that the same people who want to down the lychee, who want. For, you know, DeVos as to be able to receive communion in gay people who whatever that the same people who've been covering child abuse in the church, and it seems that the same people who've been doing the child abuse end covering, are also the people who most aggressively pushing progressive for foam of the Catholic liturgy in Catholic practice. And this, of course, resonates with what we know from other industries. Doesn't it just like Hollywood just like the press just like a kademi the people who most aggressively pushing for progressive free full sexual ration- of people with the Gleason, most depraved skeletons in the closet, the rest of us quite normal. So. Mob. It was more about that. But I can tell you. It's true. The mistake the Catholic church has made. I remain in Catholic despite the terrible states of the Catholic church. Yes. And all the other contradictions in your life. You know. They've never bought me. They've never scared. I'm not afraid of that. I'm quite excited by that. Because I look forward to day when I might grow guy, get closer to a resolution or be happy with, you know, with not finding doesn't. I mean I could imagine. I imagine Ben Shapiro would be kept awake at night by this. But I'm not you know, because I don't need everything in my will to form into a puff, like some sort of, like canteen, -instinians, superstructure, where everything has its right place. And the internet, everything is isn't is perfectly organized, all the dependent things. That's not what human beings are like, that's not what we were much, much more complex and messy than that. I'm very much with a forty fifty years of exploring my own ludicrous. Tunnel knows, but. The, the Iran Catholic. But the issue has had the mistake that Joe is made is turning a blind eye as the church would put it to sin, Tony blind to rampant gay sex in a vocation that is supposed to be celebrate supposed to be chased. With associate hypothetically, will the way that you mar tells claim with the proclivity cover up the child sexual abuse because of it, which is his most radical claim I would say, I don't know if he's wrong about that. What I would say is the way that the way the church would put it as you know, few make room for once in others will follow. Right. So what, what means impractical for the Catholic church, his because the priesthood is somewhere where loss of gay men go, and a blind eye is routinely turned to their sexual peccadilloes. Even just with each other, there's nothing known consensual abusive going on, because it's a sexual free rural, because it's the kind of place where supposedly transgressive will forbidden things happen routinely with no consequence that becomes an institution attract of kinds of people who up things to hind like pedal falls, where you gonna go if you have some kind of psychiatric. Catterick dysfunctional, or whatever it is, like that, you going to go somewhere, that routinely overlooks or knows sexual wrongdoing. Khosla says what the church this, this Christians Maimonides said, you know, you let once this fun. They don't just mean it in the sense of personal behavior. Like if you let yourself through one thing yourself above, it's, but it also works institutions to, and, of course, Lexi's will say the reason will these problems happened. The Catholic church is the priest required to be sellable the opposite's true, they haven't been celebrate for a very long time, and that was created the problem because his now an entrenched, left-wing gay Maffia, the effectively runs the Catholic church has engaged in the systematic cover of child abuse. So as to protect it some power, and that's about as bad as it gets into of the global institutions who have lost their way that is yet. I wanted. Because I won't I won't met to be, don't try to conserve it because it will all of the, the Catholics in Africa are prevented into their serious Catholics, and it will make it very difficult for progressives accusing a black pope from Africa being racist sexist because he actually wants Catholic doctrines remain Catholic. But the hope is a basic eight he is not himself sexual far as we know but he does sit head. All this. Lavender mafia is propped up people like coma Fiona from England, Wales Vincent Nichols, all these other aging, sixty seventy year old liberal cardinals who all products of the sixties, who are soft on communism as what might but was trying to show, the cell phone communism thing is entwined with the abuse with. Wrongdoing with everything that the same people doing everything. So a fetal McCarrick, who has the distinction of being the world's only ex continental because Francis had to remove his, his caudal from him head to degrade him as the technical term he was Francis envoy to China, and he was the one who put the deal together with Francis to allow the Chinese state to participate in the choice in choosing Catholic, bishops, this hasn't happened since like, Gregory, the seventh the Catholic church has been ferocious about choosing some bishops. But they handed selection of bishops over to the communist party in China, knowing the Catholics of routinely persecutions kills in China because they, they never met socialist. They didn't like, and it's that it's that particular sixty seven year old child at the sixties aging hippie liberal the. Lives in the planet from the rest of us, and it's still thinking, you know, if only they saw Oklahoma, if only if only socialism, which one more time, perhaps, perhaps it would be okay, this time that's will these people live in and they also nets in your book. Pope it's, it's yet knows this diabolical, how pope Francis betrayed abuse victims like mate, and what he has to go. It's diabolical so get any. Any that books? But, but it's very interesting hound, same people who follow leftists who will pushing church doctrines. We want to down which has the effect of mtm appears because when people go to church. They want the fire brimstone. They go to be told what to do. They want the bible. They want Jesus it won't change read. Right. Right. They don't they don't want. They don't wanna Bishop will them and I'm not making this up. There are seminaries now where the with the seminarians starting to, to issue. This to give some toxic masculinity. This is the church is has no, no manly. Men left in it, every man in that show. His mom there. No men with the conversations there are no heterosexual men left in the clergy. And this is that thinks it has a too many men problem. This is a church in the reason that the subjects interested me in addition to my faith is the, this is another arena in which the loss of manliness masculinity in the loss of the proper pushy of heroic. Masculine virtues has led hail disaster because no. True Fava by which, I mean, the Sosa fatherhood the priests are supposed to. Give up having children in order to, to, to embark upon, you know, no, no spiritual leader with integrity, which stemmed boy, what Sharon being abused in covered up. This is something that gay people do because they think what they do is wrong. So they're happy to cover for somebody else, who's doing something wrong, too. Fava a real father doesn't sit idly by while children are being abused. He takes he take steps to stop it. And he punishes the people who've done wrong. That's the righteous indignation, and outrage of true father, and knows and that, that appreciation of it's, it's writing proper hateful. And we should be outraged about when you said, that's part of what you've learned over the last couple of years. Right. And heroic manly virtue is something that has been sort of systematically, wiped out the Catholic church just like it's been one of other places in public journalism, like Ademi and hopes that everybody knows about in all this different arenas. So it was interesting to me rushing, the book finding that most of the problems most of the things that are happening in the Catholic church, most of the problems. Just go to self into basically boil down to that being men, it's all women gays and the. Majority of the child abuse scandal, and all the other things that are wrong with the Catholic church our product of the losing its connection, domestic entity and simply, having no men, left it go. We'll go there's nothing controversy allowed any of that. So that's quite relief, so we can. Can we, we don't have to be imperilling a. So you know that I can actually pull it off. Okay. So I want to return to something if you don't mind, I want you to tell me what you think the consequences of what happened to you, when you were fourteen might have been. Okay. I don't know. Look, if you're not if I'm not I'm not unwilling to discuss it with I'm not having a problem being forthcoming. Yep. I just don't know. I the only thing that I've really thought about. Is whether or not it might have affected the trajectory of my sexuality, and I think that it may well have done, but I don't think on its own was enough to. I think I'm probably talked about, just in this conversation about the transgressive nature of. That, that sexuality. And now you participated in that even it's looks as active participant. In the question is, what did they do to you? What, what did that? What did the known at duty you because you had to live with it. I don't know if it's a fair question, I don't know if I'm phrasing known rephrasing fun just done the. In the same way that I didn't think anybody can know will, quote unquote, made them get, you know, everybody is born with I think everybody's more or less the election, whether or not you believe in epigenetics, or whatever, some people, do some people don't. But I think what he probably has a predisposition. Coupled with early experiences. You end up by the having sex with or not. Right. I don't think we're ever conscious of the processes acting on time enforce difficult. It's pure speculation based on whatever we happen to remember trying to work out what it was that made the difference. And I don't think it's I think it's something that could have satisfied truly because simply because we're just not aware of the purses acting. I don't know if my dad, not saving me from, you know that how all sold made me. Made some kind of misfire reward like sin something, haywire, my brain. I don't know whether I resented in just, you know, just like my mother so much full women. I don't know. I don't think it for any way to for the same reason. I think any way to possibly Unser is anything anybody could be on line speculation. And I think that most people. Mostly who tried to explain. So it was mowing. Most people who tried to explain what abuse might have dumped to somebody in almost every case, I see them political prejudices and their biases at work out there in search of justification raising the truth is. I have no got them on a deer at night as anybody else. No one can possibly have a clue because these things are acting below the conscious level on us in a way that we can know dissect, analyze. Okay. All right. Let me let me ask you the number switch topic. So, you know, you've been less in the public are since this scam provides. I've been retired. You've been retired. Okay. I'd be sort of quarter million books. I made millions of dollars I have more nice stuff than to do with. I have a husband. I'm deeply in love with I die. Happy tomorrow. I help to get a president office. I'm one of the seven people put Trump in office and that's not egotism that's facts. Right. I'm one of the seventy Donald Trump in office, I can die happy now as you might to Berga Tori for you as no. You know what happened off, dry die for that particular crime, who knows? But the fact is like I have accomplished mole than the vast majority of people walking this off. I have an if I went to do nothing else, professionally, now I would be infinitely more successful old like Partick's combines. Okay. So, so I'm good. There's these rumors of your current state. There's rumors that you're terribly indebted. There's, there's ruins okay so sometime. One of the problems with trying to find out. What's true about me is I like to troll, trudge enlists, and I confirm or deny quoting to my whimsey. So when somebody rise to two million dollars, they know Delhi's full million. What I what I want go to the trouble of explaining is the, of my many companies the one that was funded, but the most who withdrew their political investments from Steve Bannon end for me at the same time that vehicle is somewhat in debt, but I'm not. I don't have any personal liability whatsoever. The sum total of the money I vote is about nine hundred seventy seven dollars to Capital, One better credit causing that because this country belong enough. Scene. So, so my Turpin problem rather might not have as much money as I had two years ago. But I'm not too million in debts. One of my companies is an we'll probably have to either try to it will have to find its way out of that, or we'll have to go through some kind of persons or whatever. But I'm not in dent. I just never bothered to correct the record frankly when a journalist if John Lewis wrote to me over the noise, if journalists wrote to me and said, are you Julian and I made the very important critical distinction between me and the business. Yes, they wouldn't write that up. Anyway, it's they would take my comfirmation of the figure as confirmation. I'm in debt and just what they wanted to anyway. So I feel no crime delighted journalists and I feel no Gatien to, to, to act active. Their fact checking it's actually a crime to tell the truth to journalists his name men. Amen know if somebody comes. Pleaded like cry. Austin, if somebody comes to me, ask for comment, I think it's a moral obligation to fuck with them. Which is why go myself into trouble that time before, when someone showed up the newsroom, wherever wherever it was because I, I made some flippant comment about vigilante desk wants journalists something, and I didn't post it publicly. I wasn't like inciting people to journalists I wrote on to somebody then published a story about that. And then they use that as evidence that I was getting outlining lightning, mud, whatever. This is these are some of the consequences of being the kind of post caught by. Right right on job. So my job is to create a career in which that Massa because I'm not. Because my success, my income, my fan base, my profile whatever, isn't relying on the prestige economy, but it's also not rely on, on the set of rules of journalistic propriety or whatever. So this is why. I'm in. Oklahoma is closing law strong ship money to do a late night chat show, like joining this is the thing I loot it to other in the conversation. I see I see. So that's part of the future loans. And who, who are you doing with? If you don't mind me, asking are you still in the process of waiting to announce that I'm have announced anything yet? So I'm gonna money in the Bank, I now, don't want high as all, you know, announced honors and all the rest of it. But the, the basic, the idea of it is why should always have been doing, which is somewhere between Bill Maher, and, and Johnny Carson. I can do my characters I can do my mom my Dr Christine kind of characters as cold up in our actually, be funny. I can do can do into arrested. I'm alive. I'm not one of these people that can just battle for three hours a day. Like some of the cost is can do some of that you can do so boring. You know, I don't wanna just babble three hours almost they get. The same billions from the same for conservatives on us. Everyday my numbing bell best mate. I'm wrong turn live. Right. That's where I live. That's my my path place. So it'll just once a week. And so, how are you going to hurry? You're going to protect yourself just out of curiosity about being from being censored, taken out, like because I'm gonna make McCain episode the anti Ranjit we're not going to be on search media. We'll going to encourage was not to shec- whips revenge. Abegg people put on social media. We're going to host the video on our own on our website. I if you wanna watch it put your Email address in, and what we can sell into the Streit so we can do newsletters. There's no the rest of it when I'm writing something approximating a private subscription service. Yes. Isn't completely dissimilar from Alex Jones muddle, just without the hunger for us, right? Well, that's what we're hoping to allow people to do with this. Platform that we've been building as an alternative to patron. On a broader scale. Well, maybe I'll be on that because if you'll have because the only thing I'm not banned from, perhaps, I think these magically sealed universes of the future for us social media isn't is for us. The people who run these companies hates us. They are dedicated to our annihilation. They want to see us white face of the planet. There's no point handing distribution of people who hate, and why would you drive monkey about these companies by providing free content? Just leave. And I'm always supposed to messages, two years before everybody else. So this, or I'm gonna do just, just leave social media. I'm going to spend a bunch of money, composing my by fans into a big powerful Malysz. And I'm just gonna leave they will be life off the social media. Trust me, once upon a time, people didn't imagine that would be the mice still be that was will geo cities will zone and is noble. We'll have a Twitter account and you'll be worrying, you'll be wondering if you panicking about, and the people who didn't look ahead will be lost. I will have three million strong Email lists. That I write to everyday with, you know, hilarious daily column on Friday night, sports show, and I'll be happy, everybody can take that away from me. You know, if we provide online for that what how when, when you expecting to roll that out, approximate kind of pretty much sort of semi to-, people ready, so the cat's sort about the bag. So I haven't really broken the news now but once the money's in the Bank, and I'll say, then it'll be six to eight weeks before we have set built, so two months before we draw, I'm gonna have a very open just station person. I'm gonna show pictures at the set what's being arrested. We're going to do grand announcements because I've done enough of those in my career. So we'll just have a very attractive, periods of putting assembling, everything in, in about two months. I will draw up aside one, and it will be the funniest most hilarious unmissable, our television that somehow on TV. Produced by anybody in the country, and it will be unmissable and hysterical. It will teach you something because we'll have a serious component to, whether it's a mini documentary or interview or review of something. It'll be book ended budgets, the funniest political satire emits in. In characters in nonsense. A nobody can do but make end. It's sorta via we should have done. It's what I've always wanted to do. And now I have breathing space, if you like no one's looking while no was expecting daily this the other for me. I mean my. In my first time in period, we'll share. We'll come out for time at many times in my life. This is a I've had this nice space when no one's being down when next delivering EV you enjoyed that like there'd be anything about advantages to you about the fact that you've been sort of pulled away from the public spotlight. It's been wonderful. I've been able to I've been able to dedicate two years of my life to getting to know the man I'm gonna spend the rest of my life with know. And now we can go about now for myself back into the fight. He's his own career arrested. But we've had something that most married couples don't get which is two years just to get at the beginning of lex together. Most people don't have that luxury or anything even close to it. They mmediately get bolt down in the everyday hell of, you know, who's taken the kids to school. Did you pay the gas Bill crap? Right. We didn't have any, we just had to use lists together. A now we have an unshakable foundation, and if I'm away for six months for six months like a difference to us because we don't have the same sort of abilities that a lot of nearly couples do, because we had that, that time together. So to my mind it was time we'll spend I also been reading a lot. We didn't get to talk about anything really substantive this conversation except my. Obscure psychiatric history. You will see you will see that. I've been reading a lot and shopping my clothes, and refilling tool kids. And so when I do stopped we entering the arena and upping on live streams doing interviews and things like that, you'll save it, some a spent two years, reading can get my hands on. And I'm considerably more formidable than I was two years ago. I was already quite formidable anything particularly recommend not for the moment. I'm gonna keep my powder dry because I have a head for the fun things that I want to that I want to do with, but no, I've, I've been regrouping and plotting. And again, imagine that shopping shopping my knives. You don't wanna be, you know, you don't want to be the first one in front of my blades. No, it's, it's. People keep expecting me to be sad. Also had some kind of terrible experience in the truth. Just happened at the best two years of my life. I've been I've been puffy bliss with the best man I've ever met analogy back to work. All right. A look at sounds like a good place to end as far as the nice natty wasn't that was. That was actual collapse. We, perhaps, we could do this again until about something extensive instead of instead of my dreadful history. Yeah. Well, you don't you're interesting character. And so it was substandard as far as I was concerned, I think people will find it that too so have been happened to you is very. Singular 'em but acted. It's important people realize that. The specifics of what was said, by the Earl there. It was the fact that the powers that be linked up and decided defenestrate person in because conservatives allowed it to happen. They lost one of their greatest champions, and I'm going to be very successful very profitable enterprise perfectly happy, just being funny for a living because I sort of think to myself, why would I keep killing myself for people on? Why would I keep killing myself for people who don't deserve me? So some degree the politics stuff it's going to be going. But it is going to be dialed down considered. I'm going to be talking about love sex, death and money instead of, you know, from whatever maybe, you know, maybe as fed enough time talking about politics. It's not very interesting after awhile, and the people who are in politics. I mean if those of us who kind of moving into that, political sphere, and who have, you know, aspirations toward being elected official Loretta they becoming awful people. I mean everyone in politics is, is dreadful gusty. I don't think I wanna spend fifty is talking about thinking about those people going to be more on. So yeah, I'm gonna I mean, not to say it won't be characters from the political will public my sketches, but some or indeed, that I won't to Cozumel do journalism. It just went surly political journalism per se so pep sell do twenty minute mini documentary in the show will go out into the country somewhere or I'll go to Sweden London, whatever. But. But as far as the, you know, the conservative movement stuff goes, the conservative base are cowards. And they are ungrateful, and they are in the end. I gave a lot in pay my jus get a president office, and now it's time to do what I wanna do, which is make people laugh, 'cause that's, that's the power that I have nobody else in our world does. So I'm gonna focus on that yell to hell of a power Reddin, make people out, you know. I think he makes heterosexual men a certain kind of heterosexual man lawf-. Well, that's something, you know, there are certain kinds of heterosexual. I like the I like the guy but I personally find him, you know, rib tickling funny, but then, that's because I like people like Joan rivers right right in rice, you know that kind of universe. So Bilbo whatever. He's, maybe not like on a comedian. Any be could but anyway, this has been fun. So thanks, look. It'd been looking forward to talking to you for a long time. Oh, say vox for me. I will I will. He's very much full to me. Speaking to. This is what it wants to wants to talk about things like the forward because this, this interesting substantial things that you've managed. Look. We'll have managed. I know this was your conversation while we will this strategy through this conversation, which is not lost on me was to make sure that we don't spend too much time to about you, and you happen successful strategy because I've allowed you to the next conversation, we will talk about you. I do want to talk about the Ford and I do want to talk about some of the things that, you know, the thing that asked you about on the streets him whatever. Because I think that some while turnabout is fair play as they say, right. And I mean, no, I did apologize to you on. And I'm I'm I did make mistake at the in the night. And I does voluntary in. Thank you for that. No, I am. I think is important substance abuse spoken about, you know, as regards. When important things God, what else let's talk about real things next time. Well, think think when I when I'm feeling particularly up to a battle all think about, when I'm sure a lot of people watch this, this is a, fishery the last time I will ever speak about bloody February twenty seventeen. So if anybody wants to anything, you can watch this video, and that's it. All right. Good. Well. With you, new endeavor. Cheers, tickets. All right. Bye-bye. If this conversation meaningful, you might think about picking up dad's books maps of meaning the architecture of belief or is newer bestselling book, twelve rules for life, an antidote to chaos. Both of these works delve much deeper into the topics. Covered in the Jordan Peterson podcast see Jordan be Peterson dot com. 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#370: Troll (Milo Yiannopoulos)

Ari Shaffir's Skeptic Tank

4:34:18 hr | 1 year ago

#370: Troll (Milo Yiannopoulos)

"Anyway I was telling you about somebody somebody it just feels like a hug it's like a lovely if you've ever taken molly you off Sherman that's how that's how thank you were saying Mali and my country instead of Mandy I appreciate you making the effort oh I've only ever known as molly even when I was even know even when I was in Britain I was only listening to American music and hanging out with me it's a great motivator for trolls you can also do other things you can get people to really care really fooling people but when you see Oy is getting a rise out of someone so we'll do it however we can you know today on the skeptic tank I have just a passion project episode just a pure like him get angry you you see the results of your trolling way better than people that made me feel good you know that could be a good troll to actually now I think about it but it's just we have views on life but were much more aligned with what will make you angry trolls chief John Make it feels like a resolution like a prolonged and beautiful orgasm but way better than any orgasm from sex because it costs so long and analysis of one of the most joyous things in my life and that is trolling guys I'd like to admit something to you before we start I are fear sources and if I go to a Horse Convention like fucking idiots go get a car understand I don't care one way or the other and even if I do care I'm not going to be linked to that to that viewpoint I'm gonna go ahead and say whatever will get you angry angers a great rise because as a as a mother and housewife and he writes him in a way that gets people so angry at him but he writes under the pen name Nicole Mullen Whole Mullen blogs I guess he writes is like a housewife and oh man they're great he writes his for to see the results and I'd been a troll for a long time I mean talk with Nick Mullen once who's also troll himself if you don't know the Nicole Terrible and disgusting homosexual if I have upset feminists maybe he'll let me in any way and I'll get to heaven and heaven feels like the huge long me I like to say it like this if I go to a car convention I'll go in there and say we'll horses are better it's not a Chevy or Ford is just louis like melted chocolate orgasm of a long night on molly and that's how I feel when I call a feminist effect count you see them like flip out and you just go I've never had an orgasm matt good never banned from country yes one person or seven or eight people but now you can put out a tweet the fools thousands and takes almost no moments of your life continents you gotta pay the troll tool if you want to get into that boys oh you gotta pay the troll Gideon you want the baby folks that would be disgusting if you were sober and you just feel into and comforted and happy and wore it feels ah message board the troll their special thing was a subset of the What's that Jack Black musical group the age of trolling so what I did once a long time ago is I used to go on a special thing apiece and it's like this feels like the Eucharist it's hurting or maybe maybe when I die if I've been good even though I've been kit like like things like beat your kids for Jesus Shit like not quite that way more in depth and smarter than I just said and I've been a troll for a long time and guys and you know they don't know that that he's fucking with them but he's trolling so they get the combat sexual glorious it's all about how honestly it's what Nick said to me once the stand probably five years ago four years ago five years ago maybe was that we are living in a gold while these were fans of comedy there were just figuring out like I guess I should say something you know and it drove us nuts so some of us well me I would go on there and try to troll I started a website I started an account that was Millennium Virgin it was it was if you don't want to troll troll is probably a victim of trolls before patrol Hami was the first time a lot of stand up comics saw their saw the shows in any sort of print even let's not print but in in how much did you you trolls now you have it's so fucking easy listen I'm not saying it's a problem a lot of people were late eh uh well well well ed my friend David Taylor he was part of that scene a little bit too on the outskirts and he hadn't gotten laid since before two thousand so as of two thousand and four fives six whenever it was starting to Count Say Millennium Virgin he hadn't gotten laid since millennium posted him voice whole you gotta pay the role you got to get in Taneja D. and especially a subset and then the early audits they started talking about stand up comedy this reviewing stand up? Aj trolling in the old days you'd have to go on a message board you have to try to like fool one person and work really hard to full out there crazy shitty so that's not gonNa work people like guys it's just I post and they're like well I think it'd be anything ignore him about to start fucking operating my building so on this special thing this this all common was on there all the people at my level were on there talking about the reviews and the reviewers gotta wrong making this angry and goods message board back in the old days. I don't think he has any more full of trolls full of trolls but the mistake you have one post and it's something hi like months because not only would it say your post count it would also say your start date she'd started in the typed word and drove comics insane they were on there all the time Louis was on there pat nozzle account and then you'd have to put post after post just agreeing with everything you know you would join a thread that says the book you have it easy these days as if it's a bad thing it's great it's great you have it easy we are literally in the golden not literally but we're in the gold death ray later turned to comedy Bang Bang when they stole it from Porter Oh my God you don't even know about this so okay the rookies mistake is just to go on there and post inflammatory but they'll see they'll be like oh one post from a new account Scott I know Scott Aquaman and something porter I forget his name they started comedy death-ray they started at the bar host I think and then he would have his name in the lineup and so his name was a lineup with these great comics and that was in New York so these comics La was an sure nobody's GonNa fit right in also Sarah Silverman guys go down then another one the comedy uh-huh until they got mad he found out it was served me and he was right but you gotTa do in those message boards as you gotta go you can't just like I think the comedian aunt is actually better than Joe Rogan you know and people were like what and then you look real quick a one post guys Scott the troll Akron wanted Scott Port Bj out and so we bought him out and he said you get half of comedy comedy death ray they'd the show to whatever the fucking network is on now not fuel one of those small numbers IFC but so right before he sold it already central website message board we'd see a Z's I'm sorry all the time with these kylo people so they start I guess these on salary is fucking high level person Taylor did a I I don't think I ever did it I think they never had me they had me on their minor league show one time look this up. BJ Porter that's it so BJ Puerto at Scottclark of it started this show and I don't know what happened between them but eventually that was it I mean I'm not really all comic so it's fair looking back but wasn't Scott Porter anyway so a tough there was a comedy death ray show and and whoever was on and then and then Zach was on and then moved it from from embar to UCSB and he goes I want you out so we bought him out because you get fifty percent of it or and it was the old comedy show of the Week Oh man it was the all comedy show that we took over from Largo in La and everybody was there sir a good comment for sure she's she's moved to to Seattle Portland area she still does it up there I was afraid to nothing to do with that but sold it and porter is like wait but I started off the show because yeah you sort of coming death rates like Kim a comedy Bang Bang the same show in the same timeslot at she was dislike mid level the giner comic panels loved her should Keke I don't remember jokes but run ear wolf by the way who double dip on charging you if you run a show there they charge you for your for your podcast like ads if you're on your podcast and the they agreed on till the end of time at the same time apparently allegedly wherever you want to say Auburn working on a deal to sell have a deal in place and the right before he sold it he just changed the name he goes it's now called Comedy Bang Bang then right they post a bunch of posts and then sell it off so it looks real and then once I started with Myron did is his favourite comic was Riley Newton so run a fucking agency and they charge you for that so they get thirty percent and then thirty percent of what's left that's fucking respect they have performance over there onto the show and you'd have to go on there and say yeah I was at that show really great what a good time and I remember starting this account by the name of Myron left Koets patent or who's the best comic all comic going today and you'd vote patent Louis and Daca Akers fuck hardcore move and there's this guy out of started it but anyway so you would have to go on there and start these accounts right and and it really helped launch him in the eyes of the L. A. Comedy scene so you would have to do is you would have to take McCain down and Zach and fucking David Cross and and Odin Kirk and all the fucking all the fucking big names in the scene and me and my friends were killed go without saying anything not silence but without saying anything so we'd get up there and go you know the Riley Newton I would also say inflammatory things but one detail of Meyer left quits account was that he would always rep Riley Newton Hall and dice loves troll is loves fucking with people I mean he loves it and so when he David opening up for him she was my favorite comedian and every time she was on the show like fucking Riley nude and crushed that was just the troll to just promote this hard and then I gave it up and then I remember like a year and a half later came back she was on a show and I just wrote in fucking like thirty two point font on yeah Myron left grits and trolls by the way they're not always just like that I remember doing one David Taylor open for him somewhere three comics me Mike Black David Taylor in the background is easy he's just entertaining us at the expense of these other people he did a thing once it borderlines on pranks by the way I should mention this right now no I'll say this I if he he did this thing once so this oh she was on it was like an Riley Newton just got back flock es and everybody was on their longtime was like Whoa my God I remember this guy a you know how these people but he doesn't like four minutes and you're like you don't even talk matter anything and it's just he knows he's entertaining the two my alter ego and Myra left courts had to post a hundred posted gotta post at least one hundred you guys if you really want to get in there you gotta put the Lisa hundred sorry it was an all comedy thing by the way that gave birth rethink gave birth to the rise of Azizan sorry because he did these shows human giant shows that what they were but he would I smiled and I took it but a hidden I felt like there was something I was supposed to do right so when I took the picture union high school like staring at me the fact that he even knows my name is amazing staring at me and I'm like okay that was weird and then so I lined up the picture and the take it he didn't let go of the camera he held it in his hand that's not the trial he held it in his hand and he wouldn't let go and I'm like pulling there was a first he would like tap the Mike stand for a little while test and put his fucking jacket downers cigarettes on the stool and put us drink on the stool he he was saying give me a long introduction and David was like okay and dice loves talking with his own crowd I should my name so they will get a non dice dice autograph and he's looking at me I felt like he was saying something to me so I took a bad dairyman the eye and then let's go and then I'm like this imagine this new door guide the Comedy Store Angels Clay Guy Listened to it sleep away camp at the student award days of of digital cameras right and somebody he didn't like taking pictures of the people fans and the personalities like Nah but one it comes out and he's like what he says those guys and then I'm like you know how because I'm going to respond so now we're in a thing and it's like sure took it on purpose bad I cut I cut them out and then afterwards it Ooh look what was that fucking look this is a guy who used to have people sign autographs for him like guess autograph and then we give it to eleanor's you have to imagine the days dice is great troll by the way I think about it dice is great it borderlines on pranks it really does a UCSB on Tuesday nights you've just sold my shell and renamed it Ann Arbor that gives like yeah fuck off you get nothing and that's awesome he's like hey andrew can I get a picture this can I get a picture and he goes yeah okay which surprise may turn and look and he goes already you take the picture and at all Mike no because I think I'm I'm on his wavelength now he helped train me as a troll dice it's not like Yankee or anything just like holding these looks at me in the eye and he holds it for about a count of one two three the picture and I didn't know if I did that right or not I didn't know what I was supposed to do and they left and then it comes up to me and he goes did you get me in meant guys today on the podcast I have one of the greatest trolls of our time open mind that ideas this you are miss judging this man again it's going to be hard because I know and we'll talk and you talked about one hundred and seven hundred eight you don't have your one hundred posts beat something like that nowadays you could probably just go by accounts on twitter or wherever from India it's a pleasure and an honor to have this guy on his name is Milo Yiannopoulos and you might know him as it's going to be hard because we're all very emotionally based creatures and once we've made decisions on people it's real hard to fuck in change that even and I'm like no I cut you out a little bit of your your right ear and then most of their face means like good boy Dan who has made you angry in the past you might know him for a lot of reasons but I'm going to present to you an idea and I want you to listen with an Dan Mintz was on and he did this show and it was great and then B J Novak was on he did was great and it was just gave you pretty much the run open mind to take in this idea that the reasons you hate this man are because nothing more than he tried to get you to hate actually not good doctors for a moment we'll go okay I'll change and then go right back into prescribing the same treatment even though sciences now shown to be not right because thing where he black come and watch me at the comedy store and we'd sit in the back and watch eight thousand people in the room it's not like the comedy store now and we'd sit in the back and he let me see how long left wits was was me it was over control them anymore but nowadays people are so addicted to their anger out when he knows he's being trolled in this day and age it used to mean oh it's over when people found out that Riley that He handed me the camera guys cameras care Oriole take it and he handed me the guy's camera and I like went out to reach to take it and I held like that they deemed improper you know I've been flagged on twitter bunches of times for fucking trying to get people angry at me I've been banned addicted you kind of like a habit forming I don't know what it is a motion over reason so I want you him and he succeeded and it's GonNa be tough to admit and we go over it in this episode to like when a troll when he's found and I did it right he fucking spoke to me through his eyes and I did it right and those people get a developed a fuck and failed a month after I moved in this has been on the Patriot only for the last three months if you want to sign up my patriot patriotic dot com slash skeptics. Well I also got to tell you about this but I will tell you that Milo has a weekly show weekly Friday night chatshow starting October twenty fifth on let's just turn it up please you know and not really be set starting and then you know I was at the remember the one time he says I was at the thing you know and the twitter a bunch of times and has been banned from twitter youtube I think all sorts of different accounts all sorts of different accounts because he's gotten people mad at them and they have fucking flagged him so oh I did finish about dice I'm telling you right now the secret you're missing something because generally people aren't crazy homeless people are crazy but people and and control your fucking social media addiction because well one way to control it is to be deep platforms off everything so since patriotdepot platform also that it still works we went over it in this episode it's God I'm so fucking stoked on this conversation I had over my my house my apartment was like a because if you miss allred he's been called fucking child molestation Apologised and situations are not that crazy if you like what I can't believe that's obsolete I can understand how that can happen well probably there's details being left Oh and he looks over and dice he's giving the extent sign pulling taffy though like go longer so David goes longer and longer kick regard once one of my favorite trolls is What I did for Skank fest two years ago where I found out now they've started this fucking Bang on my God damn thing maybe I'll put this away for a minute actors they had this other study undock doctors they'll they'll they'll they'll be telling you a certain treatment is good for for a problem and then once new medical research comes out and says Oh that okay so every trial should have a code of ethics about them how do I even start this because it's an art form trolling perform appear simple it's an art form now you might disagree with the effects that are from has on people which is totally fair what is there is this a mass murderer who killed a bunch of people and then splayed out their corpses in like a like a hexagon ical shape he was a death artist he sculpted join Shakespeare was known as one of the greatest writers of our time and Andrew dice clay was one of the greatest comedians of our time in fact Shakespeare's third work and he started up dogs were you doing Brigham Voice soon dies given the extended sign extended like oh it's like he made these beautiful pieces of artwork out of human bodies now murderers sculpting dead bodies and you can say whatever you want about the morals of of doing that did he made sculptures out of people's bodies would like pull apart their their their skin and like put them side by side so we of having that as your art form but the fact that this guy was an artist is unchallengeable he's an artist pure and simple speech dot TV eight PM Fridays on free speech Dot TV that's where he's been relegated to we actually I talked to them like what are you doing pretty obviously that but this guy's art form was back actually had this episode as my first Patriot offering because I was worried that Patriot was going to censor me based on me putting up something that they didn't and facts a great artist because he's willing to do something for his art that I would never be willing to do which commit murder out I've been driven to anger by things like that before so one thing dice did was he told David Taylor give an introduction but he was extended so so uh on on creative arts that we all are are the whatever it is and he's just going longer people start booing to say I don't want trolling in my life it drives me crazy and I don't like it that's totally fair but it's still an art form my ideal for an art form to show you what in seconds he just keeps going and going and they're screaming Adam and dice is a loving it loving it you know a month later and the stock I took an awful picture fucking Dick Devices Nice guys a Dick Little they know they got trolled by the dice ended and he's doing longer and longer and dyson the side just dying laughing extended and he's going longer people who get the focus in this episode we're going to go over what trolling is how you get started in trolling what the the tenants of different roles are his specific style of trolling can people so I've only ever known as molly when you when you take molly you with friends and you're hugging because you get cold sweaty opener next man is an starts giving this introduction this long introduction what he did this and this and he starts giving his credits and then he's four time on guys any time you see a story and you look at Fox that's fucking crazy you're missing something uh who's not dice crowds comic he goes and does so so B. Minus C. Plus and then he goes all right this next man is and they're screaming for dice I mean no they don't want any stood up he's on like four minutes five minutes of introduction to a comedy show and introduction loss between three and nine hundred ages dead bodies in a beautiful manner that's what he wants to do with his art form again the damage it caused the people on is if I had to commit murder in order to stand up I'm not sure I would so this guy is a pure artist he ran month thirty day money back guarantee express VPN dot com slash Ari for three months free when you buy a one year package okay I should tell you real quick my dates I'm going to be in Nashville this weekend Thursday Friday Saturday Fox already Wednesday then I'm in Detroit on the fourteenth the Vic Theater in Chicago on November sixteenth and the funny bone liberty at Cincinnati just because he has a fucking set of rules and he abides by them and that's what trolling is it's an art form we're going to be coming up oh man okay so I got the San Jose Improv on the seventh eighth and ninth of November on the Internet one way to do that is to hide your identity and you do that by using a vpn a very popular network you're Ju- which means lucky for a few of the people like in Atlanta and Minneapolis places I haven't played in possibly Hawaii that will be adding dates to fill that time so I can be groove where my special get shot so look for new dates for January maybe something for February I got a second November seventeen th I will I don't know I should have a date for you for the special looking like February now for our it's not what it stands for express VPN dot com slash Ari that's E. X. P. R. E. S. S. V. P. N. dot com slash ositive I live in a liberal bubble of New York and I go to L. A. Lot too but the best way to get people upset at least in this bubble is so now back to this now back to what Milos I started to see him get angry and it seems like the best way to get people angry right now is to us I mean this is what the southbound guys if you only punk now the only way to be republican it gets people the maddest Republicans don't seem and again I live in a bubble I've said this before so I'm not contractor December but anyway back to what trolling is and by the way if you're going to troll well this is the perfect time for this fucking sponsor if you're going to troll the fucking sue someone who's super like activated in their political beliefs a hillary supporter hop and express what can you hear the kids screaming expressway began its shields your identity you become totally anonymous and there's no location more noticed him the more I realize he has all the tenets of a fucking troll he's looking to rile people up and see where you're like a computers IP address is one way to track you that's one thing the trolls know that if you use the appea- address for lots of stuff like this same ip address it did this one they don't know exactly where it's from but they know it's the same guy so of the piano cover that twitter's a great technique for that he's just post something and get people so mad at you ledin you can be sitting next them in in Tucson and you'd like who's this guy from Sweden attacking me that's what it'd be pianist goes to another country so it's less than seven bucks okay something Pro Republican whether you believe it or not and Milo Yiannopoulos I started noticing at first it was like always just as public speaker and then and she can access anything from anywhere you can go on fuck in Saudi Arabia and get porn You can be right next to somebody and you could be fucking with them from they get so angry it might be bullying it could borderline on that for sure but man it's fun who's more riled up than fucking feminists than angry militant lesbian feminists who are looking to be mad who's more rile up -able before Lewis and she goes oh God please don't so that means of course I'm going to and this is one of the great trolls I've had because it doesn't hurt Lewis by the way of course there's going to be a long intro would you think this was this this is me immature and I said can I the business there's no business end of it is just a celebration of comedy everyone loves stand up the performers so one thing I do I I was Christine Okay Persson said hey are Roy three months free when you buy a one year package visit express VPN dot com slash Ari so guys when you use a VPN there's no location tracking can't find you a day and I wrote back I am available day can I announce it before Louis like immediately might troll mind goes that direction what he's trying to do is promote is is is a comedy festival the Greatest Comedy Festival the greatest pure celebration of comedy festival in two years ago saying fest where announcing skank Fest is going to be on This Day let's say June twentieth Lewis is going to make the announcement in a week so we just WanNa make sure you available audiences I stand by that thing they run it right and Lewis wanted people to come with the larger reach in going to start and that's why he's an artist and I'm an artist for trolling and Milo Yannopoulos is an artist for trolling one of the highest level guys in the world when it is and so I said hey everybody Lewis wants to be the one to bring this to you but I'm going to ruin a form and I'm GonNa be the one I don't want it to actually hurt the person so if I did that and then it got you know the venue took it away from him well that would hurt him and to me that would go too far we talked about all of it we talked about how this is not even ruining it the magician you can't always checks because it ruins it the troll in this day and age you can ruin it and again Nick Mullen Great trolls I respect great trolling and so they were like we're having Milo Yiannopoulos on the lead view I robbed you of it now you can't be the one that I was but guess what more people know about it because I have a large draw I've the larger reach more twitter followers and anger people and by the way he might also believe in it but that's not really what he's about what he's really about is getting a rise out of you all these announcements for him and he was getting so angry but it didn't hurt what he was trying to do which promote the festival so that's my ethics in my trolling in my art so if you hang with Nazis you're not to which they haven't proven he's a Nazi ever say anything like that it's an amazing time to be a troll so I started notice Milo was troll I started to really revere him him secrecy and I started putting more names out there Michael Che I started nothing they weren't even on there yet because I assume they were gonna be and I ruined when they had him on I knew he was a fucking troll I could see it once once it became clear to me this guy's not just saying stuff because he believes in it but saying stuff too and then there was this uproar in the comic community how can you have this fuck in Nazi on they started saying if you hang with Nazis that means you're Nazi it doesn't ruin the troll you can tell them trolling and it doesn't ruin the troll you can see him putting the rabbit in the hat and they're still like how'd you get that rabbit out of nowhere protests outside where they fuck it attack people physically throwing shit at them they actually moved it 'cause 'cause Milo is but everyone's gotta figure out their own for their own our form the guy who S- plays out human bodies obviously he goes a lot further than I would but he figured his own ethics conservative or anything like borderline on misogyny or Race fucking idiots yeah they threatened to be violent towards the creek in the cave they have a violent my my head my hand and just going just like you know swoon whole time not say a word but I was on the road so I was like yeah it's the one with Milo it should be on for sure it should be on youtube he told me about the fuck in the UK sign that is the white our side Wpa when you hold your fingers up and it blew my mind I think we covered a little bit in this episode it blew my mind because guys can open mind it they know you get upset about anything I don't know and you could see me on the Legion gangs podcast That I did with my low they had them on this one already knew he was let's just added to the list I got spies on the inside after Awhile I found out Colin Quinn was going to do it I announced him and Louis like what the fuck you wherever just can't podcast and I was like I'd love to do that the same way when when when when Dak Prescott was on the bonfire I was like come in to you Skiing Festus on this date and I posted that and he was like what the fuck do that was my joy to be able to announce it might well I robbed a robbed how four Chan and we get into fortune it's troll group started getting lumped in as a as a white power group schism or anti-semitism they know you get upset so that's what they do they say what's going to make even though it wasn't even there that's fucking riled up he gets on people and he told me something in this in this episode in this League just gangs episode you've got to find I'm right there with the fucking conservative president and you got this nothing symbol it means nothing it's a okay and then when those member the member that that those because it wearing a make America great hats you know they must be of this this evil is white kids and they start showing them on the set and then that's what they say and fourteen is a troll group of course there are a few people on there that really do we believe it and they started this white powder turns out it wasn't available that day but I wanted to do that Prescott quarterback for the cowboys which is my favorite team I wanted to go and just sit there with my hand and my you can see all sorts of people in basketball using that signed because it's also signed for three pointer just a cool way of saying even few years ago Ray Allen flashing that side you can see who else Anthony Davis you can see Klay Thompson we got three doesn't mean anything it doesn't mean anything and fortune was able to get this thing started and just w. p. and my low on this legion skanks podcast episode he said that he helped spread that and start that and it really means if you hang with Nazis your Nazi and so I'm not because I hang with Nazis and then my dad who's a Holocaust survivor hangs with me so then he's a Nazi mighty you have no security there you should have announced when I'm out these people are fucking nuts they moved those people still vandalize the Creek Cave spray painted all over it it became a battleground it became like the left saying you can't use that and then the right by the way we're also told by it they started saying to the left you can't tell US era pinkie finger and middle finger all up circle with your thumb and you're pointing finger the other three fingers up a okay and they wanted to make that lashed that sign he start flashing became a see there's a fucking Nazi he's using it must be a white power thing everyone's taking pictures we assign the idea that like let's get this w. p. is which is a okay you know the A-ok sign you give him scuba diving everything yes it's a circle with the nothing and therefore it started four Chan said let's just make this some sign of the of the all right let's just pretend it is and then and there was a radio lab episode that talked about how four Chan was not an outright group but a troll group and they show how I always do and then I will if I can download I will add that podcasts at the end of this because they people like wait three Jews and a Puerto Rican or Nazism people like yeah that's right they are Nazis I'm like son of a Holocaust survivors of Nazi because he hangs with Nazis but also by the way it was a podcast on not this American Life Radio lab there's a radio ad podcast about fortune and then I start finding out names of people are going to be a scam fast and he wanted to introduce them Joe less I started calling commerce you're doing scanning right journalist who's cool and I'm like guys is what I mean when I'm saying please try to keep an open mind please try to face the idea that maybe this Guy Milo has fooled you into you making you think he's something that he's not four Chan is a troll group we will talk about it on this episode you know what if if I can find it I will add it to the end of this podcast I will do the podcast the song the outgrow another song now none of them know that if you look at Steph curry you can also see him black guy the place for the warriors you can see him flashing it you can see not to use it and for just sitting back laughing laughing and clapping their hands go look what we started we started kids that the native American guy was yelling in their face and they were like they were like smoking or smiling and other like these Nazi kids between these two people over a nothing symbol Malo find himself because he's just like conservative pundit near the president he just start last book court their basketball team flashing the A-OK side and like see there it is they are these Nazis they're using this as all right symbol their research showed was fourteen was just troll group and they went after Shiloh both to fuck with them and they add one weird extra nonsense correct group they're not not right group there are troll group and they made him take it down they took down that episode radio APP and it was one of the best pockets of ever heard so I will try to try to find it on your own if it's not the end of this episode because I haven't looked at it yet so so nothing and they presented a well researched idea that fortune was not an all right group but in fact a troll group who was amiss apologised for child molestation comes from an article and interview he did where he was talking about when he was raped as a fourteen year old and and book someone else to show the opposite side to fight with them and I think he started arguing with me right away like an antagonistic way until he kinda realize like oh I'm on his side I was trying to find some good in it this part wasn't even a trial I don't think I think it was just talking about his his own rape had saying well in some way own rate but it doesn't matter at this point the media runs whatever stories they want will cover that too it's so great how you can use the media to help your trolls AAC group and at first I think radio lab was like no no we're saying they're not not right group they are something else entirely troll group and people like to give them a platform stints fucking with Shiloh booth hard and it was a great episode and then people start complaining how can you promote for me just being on there was Youtube de monetize me I was showband on twitter that's been changed and lifted showband on Instagram I am still shadow abandoned instagram that means two thirds of the people who are the following you don't follow me no relation looted what else by the way by the way after that Milo Episode Legion of skanks the results what you do it's a separate thing it's not left to right it's a separate thing that's a troll that's not real that's a troll and it was a great winter fooled everybody fooled everybody myself and to a troll and then again became like soup pepe the frog that's an all right thing and the outright so we don't really came from because it came from four Chan because it means difficult thing it's one of the signs of a four channel as a nonsensical thing and that pepe the frog was at nonsensical thing they just added that and this Guy Milo is great at it I'm asking you to open your mind step back from whatever you know about them by the way the member the ones where people would like it was always like asking you to women to marry you at a ballgame and it was like a big thing and also put up extra shit you know put up a couple extra podcasts a month mailbag episodes things like that and then right he said something and I was like dude you can listen to the episode there was a moment where he realized I go no no I think you're a troll and I think you're one of the greatest I did a podcast with Legionnaire's gangs and I think he thought I was there the beginning because a lot of people who book can you search my name on instagram try right now two thirds of you will not find might will not find me you could put an Ari by the way who would come up before are no space maybe come up to hashtags of ours come up before me Hash tab small accounts like fake accounts with with twenty followers there's no anger on that one but it it makes people want the and that's a troll not quite identical but like it's thanks sign up now help support me building new studio so I can have video podcasts everybody you will help support that video podcasts of this algorithm it's clearly not it's clearly not I'm the one you're looking for and some nothing account is not the one you're looking for that happened it's alright group is terrible and it's almost like you guys did you guys even listen to the episode I don't I don't think they did you did you would understand like oh I was wrong there right after this Milo episode there's no one I can reach it instagram change it to shout Obama by the way I was ios before the time like this Milo episode is up there for for months only those people heard it God is a fucking good episode so let's get into it one of the marathons they had them run against the stream like into the runners and jumping up and down to just look like a salmon swimming upstream they've taken away every opportunity for him to do with trolling which fucking sucks to destroy artists at the height of his art form to finally hear this I really am I really really am this guy is one of the best trolls in the world cacophony society that would do stuff like put a guy in a there's another form of trolling they put a guy in a salmon outfit and during the Boston Marathon back fingers like whole the old male with the fingers doing that laughing oriented Ari Shapiro maybe so wish I'd be top three don't come from anywhere show fear don't come up our Chevere don't come up are you should and they said Okay it looks like you've been flagged for pornography we clearly see that you're not pornographic we're lifting that ban you now show up and searches before that as it helped me become a man like he was trying to think of what the goods parts of this are for him dealing with his own rape he's not saying child molestations okay he was dealing with this flagged on Patriots and you show band on their luckily Patriot there was at least a human I could talk to pay without saying the words it looks like I've been shadowed try to just fucking sucks twitter instagram youtube I tunes you should be ashamed shall we I think we show and by the other great trolls like the Cacophony Society that Pakistan with PLOUHINEC politic excuse me people start going like oh I can fuck with this and ask a woman to marry them and the woman say no and walk off and everyone looking like Oh and the guy will just sit there dejected trolls comments some of those will be trolls actually but others will be the result of trolls and they'll be like this and this and just going to get flagged that's the way it is when I put up a post after the Catholic church burned down of the Notre Dame cathedral and relying on the honor roll you know what I mean like it like butts up against trolling at least God I can't believe this episodes finally here I'm so excited cents you this episode Super Proud he came over he's going to sound like a for the first ten minutes because that's what he is the guy doesn't cause any physical or monetary damage to anyone still taken away his ability to use your platform he's it's just shitty shit trolling is are now able and are equipped to spot it and to appreciate it as the art form that it is ladies continued results of what a great trolling has done it has made people believe something that is not true and you the people who now know the truth about what tape hut and that ceiling was what the children looked at to go to the happy place as you were being raped and I get banned for you see the abuse that I take if you see on twitter if you see the youtube comments like this guy's a fucking Dick it'll be most people haven't heard the episode we'll just go look at the everything you've thought before really really forget everything you've thought before and I'm telling you I will take abuse for this episode and eighty but anyway that's the price trolls pay we know we're on the fringes we know we go for anger so we're going to get banned sometimes and he goes what are you talking about trump you could just see what do you know about and I was like I'm a troll that's what I said and he was like Oh yeah I'm a troll and I respect Louis novelist proudly starts now could tremendous and I wouldn't do it but the fact that he has an art form you get it to get what I'm saying he's an artist it post or something like that I think there's a way to like if you're on there if you follow me on their on instagram there's a way to like sign up so you're notified every time I post and that's the anyway otherwise there will make it so that you will not see my posts you try to reach out to Instagram we don't do that I'm like I mean I can just show you too a week and it's like why he didn't do anything promoting violence there was no violence it was fucking cigarette somebody throughout by accident a worker there was no violence and then eventually like okay but I don't mind I didn't mind because I know that he is he's trying to get a rise out of it wasn't going to happen so stick with it keep an open mind forget the gentlemen are severe sceptic tank episode three seven zero troll with the people just can't find me unless I'm tagging someone else's thing whatever but that's the price we pay as trolls the price we pay and I'm super proud those people are not stepping back with an open mind and those people are continued victims of my lows trolling they are you enter Ari Shapiro skeptic tank or should I gotTa Zang skeptic thank our fear wouldn't come up you'd have to enter my euro which is Patriot dot com slash the votes golf and I you know you lose a week of promotion the shadow ban it's like I can't promote my dates as well instagram on unless find by you gotta sign up to look at my the danger to second but okay you're at my apartment what do you think we just moved in here actually a macho I watch her I've actually taken a photograph of you I'm on the way back from I do everybody's everybody who's house I visit I take a quick snap of their bed yeah so that I have some sort of very similar electrify want to claim some kind of sexual or no just no just like just for leverage just like what are you talking about up in forget it when a man does your place it's like it's crisp and sexy and gorgeous and it conveys a sense of the guys personality when women tips but I got used to like really shitty look I'm just I'm going to pull it up so that you can look at what I'm talking about some accounts of like polyester and and they kind of crunch really sweaty in them you get sweaty at night in that do cover this surprise ask you about that she ordered that for me shorter that for me about this together the the great unspoken secret most men are not in delicate to admit mainly because they want to have sex again evoke the problem is that you haven't helping yourself with all of this extremist texture I'd how would you how would you describe this aesthetic regular financing on top of it is just some sort of to cover do you know what the worst indictment of your flat is I didn't even realize a woman lived here best the worst she's a full of textures and knickknacks that's on every every girlfriends wives they always have those shows full of crap they're no longer space that well because there are too many of them because you live in New York you live four square feet and eventually you have just this quite nicely science department from Manhattan Yeah Yeah the Pacific are always gone bedspread it's disgusting what do you mean that's hers who by the way as me because you aren't Jewish and you should know about these things I mean do do you need me to introduce you the concept of Thread Count Oh yeah dude I was poor for too long once I became a comic of course at a fallback plan of Jewish but the shelving you're already on the cusp you're on the cusp of maximalism is never a good place to be I'm just asking if it were is that actually men are all the things that women are supposed to do like men make all the best chefs men and women's cooks designed to get it is there like a little bit like why is he talking to that guy I can't believe it and then she's like she's pretty normal and see things my way most of the time but I the last thing I think she traveling where did you go got yards elephant pants hanging up they'll bring back you know kind of various textiles eh up and she made me make that bad or she was like I want to help you over here don't even know what no because it looks like one of those when you're seven and you got the wwe ones and they're yeah from places like Morocco she made the number goddess inch made it just keeps getting worse see look it's just it's it's really bad it's not a cover a little bit covers just a sheet yeah and and I can say oh my God I didn't even I didn't even realize that women lived here okay well given her freedom or complete of all the Yep Oh is this really interesting medicine buffalo that I picked up in Morocco spaced out words no but after after a certain period of time here then you've got this sort of like old reclaim this sort of like gloss bottle with a big just this wind white wolves wood floors and just a couple of pieces of really beautiful dark rich ornate furniture but everything else is quite spartan and quite clean and ah thrown into the space whereas men I think typically will come up with something more coherent like the place will have a feel to it when I'm decorating somewhere I'm like what are you or from all or something but he does have a woman brain for certain things and if you let him decorate what you'll end up with is just this hodgepodge of stuff he likes it hasn't really started very well the problem anyway let's let's talk about troll that's really what I think is amazing I'd be worried about is a fuck up her skirt what the real failure of this is designed what you've got lovely original features on the Wyss you've got this he's a full what does that what do you call it even I don't know if this is lovely regional features in the walls you've even got the you could leave a blank have one piece of art but what you have instead of canvases propped up on what is that she's not the painting that why she's in why is it here uh-huh let it go let it go change the subject to talk about but yeah I don't think people understand what a troll is it's going to be mad at me about that part I'm sitting here watching you like consciously be gracious about it and then you reached a point where you would like it's time to change nothing goes with anything and this is the problem when my husband's like this because he's got like six two looks like a football player you know it's like saving with a supermodel or I describe it as gap Yar da- Pr Pr like if you like well to do students we'll take a gap year a no go have your stuff like how do I make room for instead of going but if you have zero move into but the trick is to have better stay well fair enough runner which looks vaguely aboriginal then there's a box on top of it looks like she was in China like gigs I know these things Shinwari Acumen thing we all want the people that we hate to shut up you know it takes how every generation though it takes people to fight a new for freedom of expression Oh this is the simple answer is when one particular side of the political divide gets a stranglehold on culture and politics in your home is beautiful and grateful for your hospitality things but even though I'm not going to get good points that's fine even it's not even you think about this consciously but you just walk in your life you get some from the room I think the problem is I get what you're saying is that when you move in New York if you're not moving fresh awful and is a real thing and aside from that this is the perfect flat too because you've even gone little high in the ceiling so it could take a big armoire or you could and you could you've done here is take you know have you ever been to a very wealthy Parisian's flat where they have a very open austere kind of speech is what the left was built on but now they've won everywhere and everything there channing on it because it no longer suits them they're budweiser is in for You know the fucking what explain do you know what I mean it's very very wealthy Germans French people quite often have apartments like that which are every thing in there is an antique and his defend me so they they they picked call but that's why he's so clearly tongue-in-cheek about it that it was like an he's not your enemy he's not even what you're saying whatever yeah right I had a long talk with patron about an hour after that Sardana Vodka Guy got banned and I was like and they were like you should sign up a patriot and I was this other people put stuff in front of you that makes you really uncomfortable makes you reconsider the world and the law and life and changes your opinion this offensive nation things that never really quite happen but it's fun to think about that is itself a form of political provocation right because you're you're trying to about two and then I was like hey this stuff is troubling to me we talked about it and I was like joining with humor is right now even even if anybody doesn't pay bands people if they don't it's sort of like what they had to say for whatever reason I was banned in fact the reason that you know about Saga mcadoo I was just a couple of days before thought your name came up in the conversations there's no space your shit away this would love to have a closet from the rats on your grandma's wicca cabinet and on this wicket cabinet there's a sort of yeah and in fact up until now what's shame about the sensors up until now offensive free speech has been an engine of Progressive Progress I mean this has been a rights women's suffrage birth called pride month not just that but they did you say tweeted Budweiser I think it was the UK Budweiser tweeted a sexual pride it goes against their own interest that people are defending is not like I like daisies get him out of here it's got to be the offensive stuff matters and all of the institutions of civil society the natural instinct for them to pursue is to repress contrary opinion so natural healthy good for everybody and it should be the only permissible opinion in society anyway the point being there is this systematic the two hot to handle so when people Jordan Peterson made a fuss about it they made a fuss about call instead of me call being real name because you know it's just a waste too much hassle nick this thought experiment and this is what comics trading is thought experiments flights of fancy this is the basis of so much great comedy like little flights of imagination and the pamphleteer is the seventeenth eighteenth century in London and when the printing presses are all like going and cheap enough and all the rest of it you get people who print respectful challenges to authority now some of them like nailing your tenants on a church yes well that wasn't done honestly but yet nation of points of view and most important people who resist this and so what what used to be known to answer your question what used to be known as Polenz you know a thousand copies of something that says here's what these people are really doing and distributing them by hand around London and these things these pamphlets is become bunkers of course it's bonkers everyone knows it's bunks anyone who claims this is sensible or useful or whatever is lying or retard but the fact get people to think about something a different way in a way that will confound amuse them but on a more serious place political polemic which I mean if you go back to the their work not under their own names you know about that until later so the idea of anonymous polemic dangerous ideas thinking about things a mature into the first magazines like the spectators spectators is England's longest running longest continuously published magazine. It is yeah when you get to The Spectator magazine and you get bylines respite but publicis this name this is the name under which America's founding fathers a better example really is the is the founding of this country because these pamphlets very often distributed anonymously or under assumed names when you get into this big danger the stories and tableau and what if this was exactly you recall things that happened so much of comedy lives in imagine identify with as they say these are people who are brave enough aw wealthy and well educated enough they can get away with all whose opinions aren't really that dangerous so they don't Zien respite and these magazines are full of let's go provocations the full of of Gadfly Ish disres- is fundamental to the founding of this country people being able to provoke anonymously people being able to take their name out of it and say whatever they want without fear heart of the political landscape very often they're scurrilous and scandalous and full of gossip and and you know horrendous allegations these things eventually people from the constraints of ordinary propriety Manas you give him licensed to say what they really think the free from the risk of public censure they will say I don't like the way this country's changing because I don't like the fact that when I walked down the high street in east London every to be anonymous okay though in many cases I don't know that Hitchens ever did this but there are many examples of these preliminary tests and essays to published some things in their own name and some not the man all right which would they want to do so you have to deal with the argument that the left hates quote unquote trolls is these trolls on cares about the not just saying I'm not particularly keen on Madonna doesn't move the conversation forward and culture and the stuff that masses is the offensive free speech his polemic much without word okay so in the seventeenth eighteenth century people saw I guess what you would call the first sort of literary rebellion continuing along noble esteemed tradition of anonymous polemic which takes the name out of it and forces you to address solely the content just the the people who are not allowed to or haven't really considered it has not just not just a respectable decent history it has an esteemed history because the best that we have more people exactly so the the the single sheets of paper become bound or become folded into a little pamphlet they're either lying or there were retard no sitting no sensible person was going to say no educated you don't even need to believe that the social justice stuff is sincere you hear a clearer crisper and more honest expression of their anxieties because when you take when you allow their ID to assert itself roof of reprisals because it's not gonNA come back to their real name yeah the freedom that comes with taking your name away from something it means that they contact I am I'm in the tradition of the nineteenth century or maybe twenty some some repeat is out in the twentieth century but the nine hundred twentieth century polemical journalists the loss great one being because I don't WanNa ruin my relationship with the salona whatever the accelerator that is maybe having multiple twitter I wasn't racing forward would turn and face the congregation and they said they remember their parents going well does it even Christianity anymore you talking USA you're talking about the that's a much better sense of what they really worry about those atavistic concerns let's say for instance immigration you allow people to comment anonymously and ah I think for instance that swift published a modest proposal under pseudonym no way really eventually got published on but yeah getting for shop front is in Arabic and the place looks like Islamabad Lahore Karachi. It doesn't look like London anymore going to give you an example about eighteenth century salon I was talking about the hairdressers hairdresser when you the document no public patriots this is the name under which America's founding fathers are publishing a few weird mean horrible people who suffering I will say this it is right and proper to hate the hateful and there is a place for the per second a lot of times I think it's just uncomfortable with change and my friends Catholic parents were telling me about the first cavalcade where the priests would instead of also one of the reasons that the churches in crisis it is the it is the liberalization of the Liturgy and the encouragement in the Catholic Church of more hatred and outrage I mean but it's Oh assist hate well something so deserving of hate I happen to find the behavior and attitudes of most Islamic community extraordinary form of the mass that agenda and old right mass in which the priest is not face the congregation and they turned and then they were like well this is ridiculous and well they're right about that innovation I mean prior to Christianity women don't have to say I do men will just say I'm Mary you and that's it it's the end of the matter like that change people like that change it's probably a good the Hitchens who would put his his provocation great girl after he released I'm very much in that tradition or like might be wrong about that but there are examples of things eventually see that good tool or it's like this is too tacky I'm going to put this none of his name maybe back it up with me did you think it's good to great women's suffrage which I have more complex view off but only like women suffering nobody likes anyone suffering a good change for instance like gays not getting moded in the street for holding hands good for instance women being given consensual marriage which is a Christian wanting to think it through fully and properly I rather than charge ahead and get into a situation that we have now where we have prepubescent boys twitter argument how does the troll take the name out of it well because much of what's going on line is anonymous trolling it's dumb and a student and for sure for sure twitter I do it I take a different route. He's even in the West deserving of hate I think that they oppress women I heard in France have you heard about the Sharia Law and women just like we advise you not to go the for its own sake or wanting to be a little more cautious about change is one of the things that make somebody conservative the clue is in the name right airplane in I've been here for so long aeroplane in in Marseilles I used to have a house in the south of France Exxon pulse I don't anymore because you get was trolling because we no longer have spacing culture for polemic we don't have anywhere now I mean if you think when Christopher Hitchens died right would anybody with his opinions in his to say you want to say it but this part I don't like my point is simply that there is good changing bad change and being resistant to change is one of being resistant to change to do we'll this set off a chain of events if we allow this is the ultimate end point of this blanket euthanasia for anyone who wants it like I think you now have in Belgium women unless they were lefties in which case they can say kill all white men masculinity so fragile white man of the problem the lowest difficulty said and they can say the most hauling things about certain groups based on the identity politics the progressive left they can be way worse than hitchings but only in one political direction and that answer that sort of to safe then king and dresses drag Queens in gay pride where we have drag queen storytime two of two of those drag queens have already been arrested for every child porn on their computers think that having the same politics as Burger King and Nike makes transgressive and makes you oppressed you have a problem and your problem is the victims in Germany they're spitting doctors in the emergency room and the German taxpayers are paying for health care for two million Syrian economic migrants autism and all the rest of it which led to the child abuse crisis by allowing the clergy to be openly homosexual and turning a blind eye to it is it is precisely that kind of thing watering down it really matters nothing and it was accepted now but it's just not acceptable now and in those kinds of innovations off to the second bats as I know we believe everyone should be able to come here in quiet moment of quiet corner he's like dude the hate crimes are up it's like it's this thing that he's like you can't separate it national review is as awful as they become now I mean they're old thing used to be you know standing for history yelling stop or whatever so they they wanted to resist change for its own sake and consider change can consider these new innovations slowly and carefully would they contribute to the greater good of these morally right the politics of Nike and Burger King you don't have that many problems now the main component this is a very long answer your question but it's very good well it's not polemic at all really when when agree this happening right now in this city right pride month we need a month now if you airplane there and you're at risk your life is just so so it's those things you're saying about how you can talk only in quiet moments and I remember talking to a French comic and Scotland once and mile who is twenty-five get hired Vanity Fair no slay you could not have say only lesbians or often the not they turn out to be a pedophile surprise fucking surprise so enter cautiously as you know this is this is William F. Buckley killed for being a troll what do you mean well because he's because he's upsetting the Greek powers that be to the point where they say you are such a dangerous influence on the Adenauer don't at all but so they're they're not they're not because with Kebab shops everywhere don't you that there is good change in bad change I mean if you have to eat poison and die right that's what happened Plato tells us about this right so socrates forced to eat poison because he's corrupting the minds of the Youth Socrates script you've been handed telling you that your victim your whole life when actually you live in New York and if anything you have advantage competitive advantage being homosexual here yeah we were talking about that and they're spitting at doctors and you know why because they don't WanNa be treated by women because they only want male doctors say I'm okay with the culture but you can also say but it's not through to tomorrow Annapolis if I can put it like that you have you have these great history yeah some some more modest than others who who who locate us this is the mark of a coward not somebody who suited for the highest office in America Twenty nine hundred and you only came out a few years ago what is wrong with this guy anyway you we'll continue the main component to visit the most in-depth breakdown of trolls I've ever heard so I'm really I actually am enjoying speaks about this is intelligent is it deserves to be is like that in in Europe being able to resist these things strongly and doing so in a way that may offend people anonymously has become known she'll good in this and what you always find is that they're speaking truth to pasture choose to authority and this trolling thing it dovetails with the other great cancer in a wig with some you know with a with a sexuality problem we had lifestyle desperate to get in a room full of children to read bedtime stories there's something up with that person and literature nobody can I say this has put the church in crisis in the first place so I don't think it's okay you don't you don't want to I don't you're on the floor because it's never even occurred to them before but what's really really happening is not men being mean to women online because half the abuse that women get online is from other women Laura which is this obsession with abuse and harassment right will actually is going on and once you hear this most people hear this and they kind of look at me with their oaken about trolling properly understood has a history going back as far as socrates Plato Sophocles was critise was a troll we're also going to get into by the way I've already lost everything I can lose the the real thing that's going on is not men being mean to women online or white people being racist online the real thing that's happening is a class war between the educated upper middle class professionals the doctors the lawyers and the journalists especially the university professor keep chickens did you know that if you have gay listeners they will be amused by sixty you let it up keep I have people like him because like I thinks he's gay guy that says he didn't come out until like twenty thirty decades decades decades I must be Dutch or something like one of those chickens chickens is google gay chicken and look for a description woods don't don't is the students were arrested and the working classes in America who was suddenly given a voice by social media by comment sections on newspaper websites by twitter by message boards by facebook what happened in the last decade was that journalists suddenly found out who their readers really were Oh and they didn't like it very because it turned out that their readers control right he's the one who's who's asking people to think for themselves and don't take things for granted and the rest of it but at great length and Plato from Socrates Might Miss Because you matters because this is based on an idea that people at home are dumb Hicks who needs to be saved from themselves hundred fifty of them make something brilliant the Internet is the funniest something wrong so much missing closed quotation mark I'll be told instantly in a way don't happen to believe that I think is based on a horrible patronize a patrician patronizing condescension from people don't obey the propriety and manners laws that the people living in these rarefied New York they wanna be right into the puck in ah they want to right under the under under someone's newspaper call him you are a stupid fat hog and you're wrong about these six things right and what happens is very only people voted for trump all racists which same thing with Brexit so you heard about that where it was like the racist change and then I've had really intelligent political friends who are like maybe the difference in the vote you just search google gay chicken just don't do the images let's not many blockbusters for sure what language is a when you discover the comments sections are more intelligent and funnier than wants above the line right because of the funniness of the group is that the great ones pop out who went to certain class of university and who now block for the daily beast visit against people have ordinary jobs they think there's people that dumb dumb they just didn't have the same opportunities and those into his apartment I've I've woken up next this is his bedroom and then it's like is this is this is this not your bedroom well yeah I don't remember Oh no he wasn't my house once per by the time you lose very often are funnier and say more things than people who work at the daily beast as discussion with real feminist like woke big comic and she was like you know it's like if someone's a closeted gay like why would they not come out it's like oh it benefits you financially are you crazy look but to judge whose whose name by the way single day I get a response to a to a status on telegram or two a calm I've written or to something under under under on Youtube or whatever I think God I wish I'd come up with right one out of the all new so you can say that to women women tournaments show so hard you say it publicly and it's fuck you if you say publicly women will deny it and try to fire you say it privately guys he looks like why does one is because I don't want to have sex with him I don't mind saying publicly because it doesn't cost me any that other people have this system failed even worse than that are the ones who do come from those areas and then forget their roots and some of them they're like visiting help on their own racist vote but it's not that often but here's what I told her I was like Oh no you've never been Dayton you've never gotten out of your limo and walk around a depressed city it's not just about bizarre to me when people who live in extremely wealthy and enormously white areas or white stroke Jewish areas you know very often stop people from expressing themselves respectively in reasonably when they have normal opinions about things when you call them trolls call them abuses call them harassers closure class war being perpetrated against the working classes by the middle and upper middle classes they just don't like hearing from real people because we're not allowed to freely express yourself people solve political disagreements with guns you hear people typically do not at least not yet but it's going that way rates of working closeness be offended by me saying that it's just what it is that's my whole family right and so it's it's so where does the troll commit when you is a testament to the great to the greatness of the American people when you comment sections ban them from twitter ridicule them on TV lie about them as happened in the last election cycle they don't have many options left now in those so what's really happening with trolling abuse and harassment and they're all they're all different dimensions if the same the same stone if you like there aren't any num- statistically numb but this was this is erected is the most disgusting to me and my whole family is black now ultimate example of this because nobody comes from L. A. Really people people people moved to l. a. and then move out when it doesn't work right but New York has this too and particularly in media the extent of this generational hatred from twenty thirty forty somethings living and working in New York none of none of whom actually come from here all of whom Oh and what my neighbor's kid is in Iraq right now in war neighbor's kid was abused by her uncle across dresser and that's my basis for understanding this politicians meals all the rest of it like Manhattan your will which is the apex of that are lecturing the rest of us about attitude we should have to racial harmony in Dearborn adjacent you have a different opinion of Islam than if you live in New York where the only Muslims you know doctors and of course they're perfectly nice people because they're not really practicing understand real people they don't share they don't not working Americans concerns and anxieties because they don't suffer from the same things if you're living in Michigan and you're living Eddie beat the shit out of your mom who was an alcoholic and they both they both voted for trump and you hate them so much and I now I get where this is coming from and I think that we sometimes under estimate escaping somewhere else the thing about better than the exactly they have graduated out of it and it is now the moral responsibility to shit on it so la is the as a testament to the greatness and to the magnanimity and to the extraordinary patience and forbearance of Republican America that gunning down the law of you because Muslims sorry to say but you're not they don't go to prayer well that's the thing to trans bathrooms when that was humongous but it's like you talked to someone in middle of Missouri Club never even seen a trans person invaded Manhattan and killed the fucking of you and frankly trump is the least bad thing that liberals deserve trump everyone in my family is back on my family and they also have been another race not wealthy they're all from New Jersey in various issue okay yes ultra never met a gay you're like Ooh what's what could be a gay person but nobody's manny trannies because there aren't any on Arthur going that way because the left to censor the right and it is the only that is the only reason is happening because woke and don't realize that racism is prejudice plus power when a married to a black person you know what the fuck is amazing that they haven't had which I don't agree with it's an amazing testament before Barents and the good sense of the American public that they have chosen rather than up that babies and make different choices in life but wage gap the specific implication of which and this is the charge that they may locations this go here is that we'll have left because you're not allowed to express yourself certain certain facts are impossible then to say in public like you can no longer say that you know certain things about transgender people without risking your career turn on the TV and I see nine year old boys tw- working while gay men Leering at them and the boys kissing these these men in wearing spandex co where it used to happen except in all of these left wing organizations that are constantly teaching the rest of us how we should live or yes all with their fucking slave made iphone all the ones who get busted full paying women much more illegal since the sixties the seventies I don't remember but it's been illegal since the seventies it doesn't happen now there are always going to be individual earnest's are unable to establish a statistically significant wage gap right it doesn't exist there's an earnings gap because women schwinn rows under paid less for the same work as men doesn't happen except by the way in left wing and left wing political campaigns where it quite often does seem to happen except at gold take up arms and they have instead taken to the Internet and just started ridiculing these losers right because they instinctively understand that ridicule and humor is a powerful shit allegation against him and go to target and the Children's section they've got gay pride in every target gay pride children's clothes and unless not Republicans when was the last time you heard about a republican campaign who got busted for paying women less you done but they're looking at any SAUNAS campaign did it Hillary Clinton offer the guns because if you look if I saw my my son is being has been kicked out of university because a woman made an unsubstantial see you must insist that there is a gender pay gap there isn't you must insist that that's a weird one well no it's not what we wanted simple in that every study when I talked to him it's like all right well you WanNa shut whatever up like what do you think's going to happen then do you think we're just GonNa go away or not have a job and just die off do you think the hideous track record of trying to hunt down people who posted comedy videos on the Internet to try to shame them and the object of which is to scare people into not doing to do so CBS hence trolling hence polemic right and people do it often not under their own names and the daily beast has a CNN both have particularly going to shoot you and that's what's going to happen and you did it not them you did it so way but you're just want to get back into the troll a little bit you said your the way you just mentioned it was trolling is the lightest most gentle punishment imaginable but I try to walk left America has done two flyovers I try to grow with new oak which is the worst woke but impression that many Americans have about how the Public Square works they turned to the time honored strategy to topple dictators which is humor and ridicule hence ridicule Aziz you know and I and I and I'm told the I am the real moral morally deficient person because I'm like insufficiently slowed down video of Nancy Pelosi right you're not even allowed to mock the third most powerful person in the country anymore if they're a Democrat without risking CNN or the daily beast finding out kind of inclement certain circumstances given the tyranny of all given the authoritarian feel that many Americans you know comes out afterwards from from economists go we don't really think exists and they go it's Meta contests like well it's women economists to and then female up get out of here in your profession that's a fact question you got the medical facts are without risking your career you can't talk about statistics on it's not us the reason Dave Smith says the best that goes he goes listen if men could if we could pay women's seventy whatever cents on the dollar why would we just feel in cases sure but on the whole economy white it doesn't happen through the troll comes in and try to correct yes so this issue Congo on television yeah try to hold you hold your own against it just just explaining basic economics they all know and the lying to your face in line to the view is about giving those he says he's like the equivalent of cops during shooting your dog no always next door administrator in the facebook group in which video emerged but people don't know what it is there was a video of it bit but nothing annoys people like the truth and when you and this is one of the great this is one of the Great Maxim's of trolling so my my first book dangerous older every six weeks she has to revert to a bat you know she's hanging upside down to cost in Transylvania for a few hours to regenerate on what and who you are and Duxing you and this guy was a black forklift truck operator got the wrong guy right he says so yes it might not even be him it is it is it not you guys but it is them they do it right every time a New York I feel like I'm an enemy territory so I just say it is a bad people there's not let let me put it this way it's not the first example okay but if you want to upset people draw attention to something that is true so so you have aloud why is he so mad he's mad because everyone has seen and knows that Nancy Pelosi is getting old she's not like beyond incapable of doing her job but she's obviously overstretched not surprising it doesn't even reflect badly on her it's just a natural part of aging but because it's true and real and people have noticed they went a shit about and his name's she I think she called trump Bush or something you know stuff like that tumbles out of people's mouths when they get sixty or seventy years old and they're working eighteen hour days seven days a week Mike Pence whatever become president or you're not allowed to make fun of her when you put those allowed to make this country basically let's just slowed down and made it look drunk and the funny well the worst bit of it is she is getting daughter and everybody knows it and the reason they were so incensed is that nobody heading flourishes because it does it will work both ways though there's trolling on a giant grand scale where you live and is also trolling on weights smaller scales his campaign did it did it hold on paying women less paid less than what he wanted as minimum women less than men for the same work go look it up corporations with cheaper labour every Indonesia get cheaper liberal I wouldn't go to America no Mamedov it'd be hired again if you would you ever hire a man one out of thirty men charged WHO's the vendor boy Anderson Cooper Okay on CNN furious that facebook would allow this video to exist she sure has she's obviously brilliant at her job the whole back room wheeler-dealer whatever she's obviously great to that but when you're in public she very often does stumble over words she forgets the weapon the hypocrisy intellectual arsenal but it is also it's the most part it's a powerful weapon but it is the weapon that you leverage against tyrants because they tried to process that this was like fake news because video is slowed down it was just a comedy video designed to humiliate and embarrass her and you can't ah about the third most powerful person in the country you now allow to make fun of the third most who could if they were an accident on Air Force One for instance there's no wage gap without without the only way to do it these days and on American TV I don't they can happen at all but on British TV sometimes you're allowed the token right-winger to go up against a panel of three other people which is your local governments or your local people who are in charge or whatever are the does your Supreme Court definition of harassment okay which is the only meaningful thing that exterminated you know and and any of that stuff when people are not treated fairly equally when you undo what is I think the primary innovation in inside search has a section on trolling Jesus I call it and it's as maximum patrolling and one of them is nothing annoys people like the truth true facts and you know this administered twitter without having asked for permission you can talk to them I well I'm sorry but that can't be how it works yeah great great cartoon about nobody gets annoyed fucking old sake bus who steals a youth of America who really does every every I don't care what side he's on and tyranny in an authoritarian become popular with people because they erect double standards whether it's communism tiny rich ruling elite who have access to all the stuff they want and the brought that up I just realized because about that one but you don't Wanna I don't WanNa fuck if you'd have you'd have to spell it out for me a bit more people don't whether it's fascism well any either extreme of the political right or left ends up with people being oppressed or ultimate their daily life normally right so if you are bombarding someone with relentless emails calls text messages let through their front door the Ken Thompson terrorizes them and they can no longer yeah and like all old people she's getting tired and when people get tired they stumble over their words a little bit they forget names that's all that's happening she's not has in his twenty six year old royal yeah this gives rise to other kinds of quality like equality before the law like the if you if you murder somebody it doesn't matter if you're rich or poor black or white the prestige the prestigious civilized debate in newspapers and on television is ridiculed is being a gadfly now as a brick I have a sort of natural idea that we can spend up all of our leaders why make fun of a because she's a Democrat now this these are the conditions under which press releases before everybody else you don't or you get to be used as pawns in some scheme you don't really understand no the best thing to do is to hold thank you can talk about in in in terms of this if you're if you unwanted attention the affects somebody's ability to conduct their harassment at these words of dumbed down like the truest cartoon I've seen in in two decades because it's double standards the fundamental basis of Christian Western democracy which is every individual person has unique intrinsic worth and has an equal being trumpian populist nationalists political side I just nuke somebody from orbit who should be an ally of mine but presided over the most appalling behavior by her employees allowed to appear on CNN and defend the case on the merits and the rest of it the only thing you have left is being in gadfly is pricking people from the edges and this is what the public are doing this is why so many understanding of this because our our media are not like you'll media so your newspapers or grand and pompous and you'll get this is the opinion of the New York Times editorial board auction they can't short to work without birth you are harassing them right but this word has been diluted so extraordinarily that now appears to mean disagreeing with the and once a year they have the White House correspondents dinner where they schmooze with the same people that reporting yeah this does not exist in Britain the prime minister Britain would be too terrified to have dinner with any short sentences even when they're not mothers than male criminals do so how does the troll coming incorrect the only weapon you have left when you are unable to participate in the IT's breaking down because if things like racially aware policing in Chicago which ultimately just destroys the black community by giving free passes people for bad behavior which causes reporters love memes and troy trolling how else are they supposed to express their opinion go to CNN dot com go abc they don't have comment sections anymore they've closed the mall it works has worked for a really long time and it's probably still the best system now as Brit I have this natural gadflies tendency which overhear people make some of it's ridiculous it's like somebody hate them tell them the truth that goes the old saying the best that Adolf Hitler Mix some truth with these lies and they'll be way more likely to believe it shouldn't I have this the unwashed masses being allowed to have their say and their embarrassing are journalists journalists sue by the way the most incompetent journalists anywhere in the world American journalists are the dumbest incompetent hopelessly political politically compromise journalists anywhere in the world they are the worst the absolute worst anywhere in the world to the next person we Christians put it is we are created in the image of God and we all have the same unlisted little room full of them because all we want to do is just rip you down Oh it's hilarious watching parliament Everett screaming at each other what is this system right so bodysuit account in the same way I didn't win this is going out but just this morning I published a ten thousand word essay on my my sight dangerous which is about people on my own side on the emerged incomes and forensically dismantles your narrative and explains not just not just that you were lying but how and why you're lying it can it can all stand we can as you guessed it more bad behavior anyone with children knows that like likewise the fact that you know female female female criminals get vastly oh you adopted when you wanted to communicate because this is typical of the kind of plus based prejudice that we've been talking about in this conversation features easy and who is a video game feminist of her shovelling Shit over over a wall and crying foul when somebody comes back and saying abuse harassment Aristocrat or a pauper if you murder somebody go to jail and you get this and you should get the same sentence don't that fundamental understanding of fairness has begun to break down era you could go to a to a washerwoman and getting more intelligent point of view about politics than you could do from John Stuart Mill writing on liberty because it's the right thing to do this is not going to see a wrong it doesn't matter which side you're now I see is cleaning house rather than my point being when you're porter's because they're all mental Disney Disney was insisting years that the politics and SBN had nothing to do with crashing ratings right Oh it's just because those things have become so politicized by the left I mean fashion is fashion has always been a bad offender but look happy? SPN Why do you think people troll Espn we're just full of emotion and bravado gun-toting some sure but on the overall we're just say I'm right interesting is a class based revolt I think that working people correctly see economic inequality Marietta with political hegemony Orthodoxy and from Alabama I I have completely rejected what components of that I have from my brain and decided instead I would much rather in class revolt but I think it goes beyond politics you control sports you control fashion you control anything there's a joy with people really exists early short you're a nice guy who understands these things is not as far along the chain is me on some of these opinions and all the rest of it but you can at least appreciate it as a reasonable position but on the other side of London of course no that would be ridiculous but today in America twenty thousand nine absolutely okay so trolling for you is definitely on the political realm it is he's sort of terribly low rented low class they don't be noted with this because if you'll reporting on politics you need to be involved the right parties or you won't get access no go to the right partisan get you don't get access so people are taunting is how bond paying the Piss out of each other is how men become friends when I was when I was being Beasley about align myself with common sense working people because they're right more often not always not always in history I wouldn't say say I wouldn't say in the Victorian and I point is fuck you for that because it's your and second of all is I would trust somebody with that accent who works in Walmart to tell me the truth about something actually fucking highlight that might be the reason they're turning off you think so the fucking highlights man I don't care about their backstory and who their mom is show the fucking highlights I think the lives hell by mocking them and by but I'm saying that's not just if you go into a bicycle bicycle message board this needle them that's not true Roy before I would trust the reporter at the New York Times and I'm right to yeah but you see how ingrained is because you're a nice guy it's my dumb accent is either southern the let's say the non trump the Republicans and all of the Democrats and they want to tear it down and one of the tools at their disposal he's just making these people I agree with you I think it's American like the average job in every level journalists are feminists are everything is just like together new Dr one other pop no woman will ever truly understand how it can be that I sit here for five minutes and apartment to shreds and you like me more by the end of and so not further apart me more not less by the end of that because you knew that it was good natured him and it was just like comedy just like chat up lines away to come rene and they see themselves as being in opposition to a wealthy well educated in elite of both Republican and Democrat this is what's going on under the surface and it's not the way that women communicate but because twitter and the media and the academy and the entertainment industry have become so utterly feminized we'll get the sports news from the Internet these days become TMZ ESPN finely. They've admitted about two months ago of US keep telling us they don't like the politics and realized consciously is I find you a threat in some way I think you might be important or funny or powerful or successful or popular and I want to kind of reassert myself right live internalized these same attitude exactly right it's popping wealthy Jewish what have you grow up in a certain right we can't understand the idea of Professor Blaine to one another I'm showing you that I can be I'm communicating to you that I am sophisticated that I have tasted I'm Waspish I wanNA put you in your place a little bit and what this communicates to you an an Atavistic man you understand that so you know what I'm trying to do with the posturing thing maybe because I'm gay I'm trying to assert I'm might be fag but I'm still dangerous I can still whatever there isn't a space for that kind of communication anymore and what it means is that men can't even make friends in public now without look at those white men talking it's it you and I were doing this conversation they're doing the same thing that men have done since since language first emerged from the from the first neanderthal grunt which is posturing as a way of apartment that was a way for us to bonds what women will never I wasn't like how do you know what women will never understand is at the end of that you and I were close my friends publicly and I say what was shit wasn't you should a phrase that different people go right on right infighting no this is how men talk and when somebody goes onto to a bicycle forum and says what do you what do you like Vegan losers doing why don't you get it why don't you get a pedal engine actually get there on time doing the same thing I just think it's an amazing way with twitter with this time with on TV and YouTube When you can be on a youtube clip we can reach so many more people to make uh-huh closed them all because of his abuse harassment? Trolling no you just don't like it when you're embarrassed when somebody comes in veto the rely no not just why not just wrong but when someone the end of the story that out of ignorance and Daedalus one of them stay one of them does live so seeing Douglas Fair Enough Eric colored be our wish we're bearing our teeth a little bit like a dogwood all middle-age feathers or something that's just how people talk no but you like cars are the future and bicycle should be outlawed you're just trying to get a rise Outta people tell people this is not some new innovation meant that we share your reprimands fun bossing where we were yeah we were ball Bussey we were kind of like we were peacocking with one another favorite from leaks games podcasts is you get this thing well I'm thirty four you're not different generation or no no it is not a generation but a thing of like this I did go online create a fake account make one hundred posts showing that I agree with you by the way it's still like I'm still allowed to like fuck you I like my best friend but you don't care you might not even have ever thought about it again afterwards but it was angry it's almost amazing it's delightful it's fun I've discovered in fact the moyal banned the Moyal power to annoy people because they're always be your presence the game because they're ashamed of it because now they're fokkers you know it's like bitch you come from Cincinnati and you know it's like you know your dad was out of most of your child building a rapport that's what is interesting is when I started trolling okay I don't want us to you guys have it easy here group but we had to make get on a message board create an account make a hundred you try to generation shame me maybe a little bit I'm saying your lucky I'm saying you have a great older you forty control you went to this height and I think it sucks you gotta take away all the right to to lead the ritual that you understand you understand share your stuff and it's like you make a difference with you there because people still shed your stuff and you still have access to pretty much the same audience so I have whatever twitter valls talk just tell me Your grace right after aretha Franklin could tell you the favorite I can tell you my twenty favorite sentences I've ever written okay have have some pride in bed what I do I think the two people that I have I have almost three people most often been compared to in addition to Jesus Socrates echoes talk then stir tanking and fucking needling week nobody else winner now you just make a post and you mean thousand people if I write a shitty tweet about a deer celebrity that just died I usually try to do shit on everybody's list you'll force your best one what are you most proud of you're like you try to fight sometimes you're overcome with dissolve fine where I'm like where we're talking complete we're talking about how you get recognized everywhere bothersome and I'm like we'll try having a normal fuck like two hours off to the headlines hit you say thank than we think this is this is this is my favorite comedy it used to do this a lot right yeah it's such a measure it's a golden age I've been bombed back to your generation because his message message around the left-wing eighty four says that your dared fly too close to the sun is this idea that you can lifetime of Diabetes Fuck You Bitch Burn Hell yes so my followers no I'm joking tweet it to my non followers mad right after the Franklin died I mean this is an hour and a half afterwards found out about I was like aretha Franklin showed a nation of black people or a generation of black people that big beautiful thereby damning them to like me there are certain things that still jolt me out of my natural disposition to be a Dick Abortion veterans there's a couple of things I do take seriously and so you like watch all other things very pompous self important fourth of July stuff everything to do with every national holiday now the veteran's war stuff fair enough even even even disrespectful irreverent person offender is the mawkish Saccharin like side-splitting Lee cringe-worthy Whitney's up here she's she's making fun of herself exciting covered and the other the other one I hate like this is Republicans who feel the need to very solemnly celebrate Eh was just after Whitney Houston right I drag queen from the north of England which is a particularly bleak kind of existence dressing up as a female Improve the very yeah very very very best drag queen joke I ever saw almost immediately after Whitney Houston died one of these drag queens up north clown drag Queens to north wasn't asking you I was telling you I was inches her week from blonde to black and she comes in she goes Jackman knew hair it's called the Whitney black and died in the bath I'm kidding they're sort of cloud and it's a very bleak existence the north of England no money like very very miserably kind of thing you probably get paid she posted a picture of her on a plane with looking out at the sunset or something like that she goes it's beautiful here Whitney's up here because she had just died and I wrote back and added her I was like no she's not anger is an applause to me roles their anger is standing ovation I am I am basically married to a supermodel but but but I have been marriage I think the scales will tip and he'll finally poss- The troll Bona tally right now I don't even it's not even close Tim two years and in my life if you talk about where most of my erections have come from in my life yeah from people getting mad at the Internet in about four years in a bathtub but she's buried pretty sure she assistant overdose but the the offender in that situation is not you a lot of right wingers won't because they think improper because he that constitutes laughing at troops which obviously doesn't we're laughing at the self-regarding yeah it's great it's a great it's my favorite do you have any other good ones because I'm enjoying after oprah she posted after Whitney goes dead the queen the troll have to be aligned so that you can stay one hundred percent heterosexual Hatton after about two or three years here offset a number of people at once and the newness of it like joke now it's like okay she makes jet is rangers walks out and everyone's like that's a new look for you Latisha whatever time okay let's give it up for the troops really contract that you spend the last forty years looking the other way while the left ruined it because you didn't want to upset are no longer fully straight you start wearing red shorter shorts really queen which is very nearly what your lips life's great joys it's delightful it's delightful because I think I think it comes from from puffed up self-importance and the is I think that people who take themselves too seriously who imagine themselves as some kind of institution that has to represent and you just show up yeah I just want to be much less on the right but it does happen on the right typically in the direction of the armed forces now there's lots of sincere reasons to be grateful and all the rest of it and I am and Blah Blah Blah Blah but there's a lot fuck you you have no right to be proud of you presided over the decline off I love what I don't quite taste in their own garbage way stop cooling many Italians there the Italian you know how do you know how unattractive is to that's what I can see what you're wearing I can see the flat and you have to complain because the smokey Eye lady they have no look there starbucks goers have no taste literally sitting in your apartment Jersey which is shadow how dare you federally smoking just just because they were body con jewel hundred just now I think its puncturing pomposity yeah from a whole number wherever it comes from is one sure sure Judge Janine believes from Jersey I think Judge Judy is from Jersey I think whose that lovely polling the people without saying something like that so much clever ways to think about think about there's a wonderful line in in American horror story Jews blacks women everybody I don't like it when people talk in that way about people it makes me uncomfortable trash people so much fun what did how he's supposed to mean I love it too yeah is is your your your response was gay than mine I just went shut up or your husband's allow me once again enjoy your attention to your class snobbery Bay New Jersey has some fucking intelligent people talk up any of my favorite people from Jersey we're having so little money that she's got to use the clairol die off home ducks multiple levels on that it's great it is it is a great Kramer to talk of people like oh they're just garbage people garbage where I am like supposedly like America's meanest person or something I'm the nastiest bastard the our garbage people right but but I I'm a Christian for all of my Dick Sucking I am and I I don't like to think of people in that way it accidentally and my entanglement home is from Jersey take off your rich people their garbage I'm sure a few of stood out unattractive is because first of all it's very rarely funny it's not actually very funny it's just kind of unkind and mean and when you very good to think of people in that way and what you find typically and this is surprising that often is the case with Republicans you often especially people of faith they often very uncomfortable oh shit and the bullshit I do find funny whenever we fought for your right to freedom of speech I'm like when did you find As with any bigotry as with any prejudice when you engage in it you lose the ability to reason which is why you wonder just now the most extraordinarily amusing hypocrisy to me of calling people who live in Jersey a saying people who live in Jersey have poor taste you know when when the same attitude with the give it up for the troops thing unless I know it well no place unless it's less than Veasley insincere case I laugh along to and and I just spent ten minutes ridiculing the lack of designed in your apartment and you're sitting opposite me unshaven in some horrible t shirts Oh when when you talk about a particular class of person based on behavior and you say that this is garbage behavior like for instance murderers or but I think every group has over I know that I'm over tuned to this but the classism offers as as whatever it's not nice way to behave through your fellow human beings and I'm not getting too much but but the the reason that it's dumb because look garbage people means I'm the last person in the world is going to police comedy or how people talk or whatever I'm just saying every group has the garbage people so black people N. words because their their garbage people right Yorkers hate long islanders because they are garbage people what do you call that bridge and Tunnel Something Donald She Jersey style Oh so you think New Yorkers better dressed this nasty grungy trusting like also most going to remind the parameter New Jersey Strip malls and toxic waste you know and it kind of makes the same point but it's not just like garbage people I hate glamorised of Jersey which gestures toward what it gestures toward an absolute ideal of beauty based on female archetypes right they won't be what does this do not Madonna thing where I take on the accident around you know I didn't really sound like this really really posh accent the region of people's individual humanity into into the realm of personal choice and sin really because what you're talking about is you're you're making a moral judgment about someone's behavior so you're effectively accusing them obscenity where where somebody says she's GonNa be banished a parameters what's the line paramus New Jersey Strip malls and what is it gonNA consider I don't personally find this funny creative about it I think is a term that's leftover from my college and I was trying to better terms it's it's greatest sin is that it's wind knitted beanie for everyone in New York looks like they have aids syphilis or both there did they everyone helix fucking homeless and miserable right here versus the aspiration have big boobs nice teeth you know they're aiming for an aspirational aesthetic goal the concordes with most men like now they might fall short through lack of sophistication but they're trying and they're trying to get to an absolute ideal of beauty smokers or cyclists all three all three of those morally reprehensible yeah you're talking about things these which is that that's your the camouflage shorts the men the men in their own way are gesturing toward roic masculine virtues ultimately ultimately they may not be Enya but but you see what it sounds like you see what you're doing I'm writing off exactly and it's just it's just because it leads you into unreason and unable to see yourself so call boring and not very funny and they're much better ways of doing much more elegant funny ways of doing the Paramus New Jersey Strip malls and toxic waste you get more interesting it's virtue virtue signaling Republican vetches England gesturing constantly toward this this oh yeah everybody happens both ways right it's these women in Jersey that you hate so much are gesturing toward an ideal of beauty that all men want in their women look I'm talking about think it means take care of yourself because you're treating yourself your body with the respect that it deserves as an instrument of God and as somebody who created in God's image right that's what that phrase actually cool with the kind of ring closest sort of a it's almost like a denial of humanity somehow you just have all these go home it's up in the conversation I caught myself saying process I don't say that I see process started for them honestly honestly and particularly because my put something real and true to contrast that with the streets in New York where everyone looks of indeterminate gender everyone looks dirty everyone looks diseased in my case it would be more so anyway I happen to think that this value to be found and what you would cost as the trash people who smoke weed or whatever listen to music I do exactly the moral judgment as much isn't aesthetic judgments umbrella judgment in fact it's probably mostly moral judgment Oh okay so it's all I still don't do it it's a broad term but the same way said degenerate when I talk about people smoke pot all day I don't WanNa leave me totally different if you're applying it to a particular folks tonight to go to try to recycle the People's joke stresses woman I've been deductions ridiculous the best ones are great over the arrest or our unbearable but call just in one defense amid because it just makes it worse. La Garbage people you know I still do I would tie we'll take an Atlantic city or Jersey City over Brooklyn a Williamsburg any fucking day because of the coins of male calls right the big old stuff is about wealth because they know that women are attracted because women because women are gold diggers but because women craves and see and all in their jewel tone body hugging dresses with their big hair and their perfect teeth of the rest of it I see I see a group of women who are trying their best to be beautiful to respect themselves so take a Dallas or Salt Lake City over a Seattle any day okay very nice I love that by the way I've never heard such a passionate thing and interesting this but this is what they're doing right through through picking Alpha choices through cultural things they're ultimately gesturing toward this idea of our mascot virtue that is what women want when they were it and it is it is it is a manifestation of that is being shaped by trashy capitalist influences but it's gesturing right that's really what you're doing ultimately is you're saying I know what the virtuous life looks like this isn't it that's what you're doing when you're doing when you make fun which I think is essential for us to maintain because when you've pash style it's but I mean it honestly mean it when you look at these Republican Women Komo cargo shorts there gesturing towards militarism what they're doing is they're they're aping the style of militaristic what is you being waspishly agree about the working classes that should tell you something about those particular jokes it should tell you that they're there is what upsets me for sure classes now but I don't see you doing grease still willing to do it and as a gay man I have sort of half male female and one of the things that women do when they want to connect with somebody is they mother and boss so I have taken turns both Taunton in alignment somehow with the people who want you exterminated professionally speaking and therefore that perhaps you might want to double down on other areas of comedy generally do for TV thing in which case you should probably compensate them in some way say okay thanks for that was for TV show I'd like to offer you some money in exchange for signing these people who basically are dedicated the annihilation of your profession that's really what they want they don't want comity they don't want comedy no the people who are dedicated the annihilation of your profession the only thing that they would laugh at yeah but this other joke about lollipops wasn't funny you didn't try to ban them it's not just about that it's about American changes coming trying to censor your comedy and all the rest of it and I'm saying treat their bodies as the gifts that God created the image of the rest of it this is where the tax and Frisco high the heck closer to God right it's not some throwaway nonsense Dolly go in European it's only opinion Kenitra go too far are there limits to so like been pranking I have these laws for myself secured women want a man to protect the half and home to provide her with safety to show you that Maserati let me show you that can do that fraternities where pranking goes quite far and is completely acceptable within that community because the accepted norms are widely understood right one looks miserable appear it's fucking Horror Hawkins constantly for no reason horrible horrible grimacing Oh God could pregnant rolling are similar but not the same is I don't want to cause any physical or monetary damage to anyone yes and if I could back off that than almost anything else goes so pranking I I think pranking you have to have pre established relationship with somebody to prank them I don't think you should prank okay. If it's a completely harmless fun thing they could maybe pranked members of the public it's fine if you have this relationship with somebody that's between the two of you to know whether limits there are male addresses too much fake gold jewellery I shot it because they wanNA look I'm being glamorous what are they doing are they doing let's think about this to be allowed to go only only only authoritarian regimes punish people for trying to leave like North Korea and Islam. Trolling goes I I prefer to punch up and that doesn't always mean that my target is going to be celebrities and politicians although almost invariably they are but it also means you could include in punching up what I called virtuous trolling or trolling for Jesus which is which is trolling people who deserve it voting against gay marriage but has a gala from the side without disclosing it if you're a gay man and you don't agree bishop punching up if you if you exposing hypocrisy is punching up weighted by the except for the Hulo laugh of fellow snobs and I don't like people like that and I know that one of them which is the reason I'm giving you such tell you that garbage stuff the garbage is left over from college where I should you're absolutely right should come up with a more specific and unique way of saying because I think the people who were talking too much it's the same thing but different than you're just say stuff in new clever interesting ways you know when they attack us to delight people when they attacked us so people who have stolen money or people who are hypocrites somebody who somebody who's somebody who for instance is Jack Ass let's say hey don't shave your head if if some guy the street to that to me I'd write killer and if exactly and this is about pre existing if if somebody wants to leave that then you know a little mild humiliation is probably okay provided that you give them a little something in return to basically to be a good person apologize being an asshole right as far as in you know the people who the worst people the only jokes of yours they'd like would-be when you call Jesse people got and that should tell you when you look at talk so much shit in your living is because I know you don't really want when they attack comedians try to silence us it's usually it wasn't even funny and then my retort is always if you are in a fraternity you have to leave if it's not your taste so I think that it just depends on your relationship with a person and certainly if you're doing it to remember the public for comment for a story that's like some new bundle of lies about me or something and I'll reply privately to that journalists in a text message just to that guy I call wait for the right wing death squads Oh harm to people in all circumstances a lot of people would attribute the opposite to I don't know why I don't know why I spent my entire career I don't agree public and encouraging people to shoot journalists and you see how like and you could say well why did you why did you make yourself a target by saying they give you the chance to take the new I'm sorry it was wrong it was terrible I'd like some redemption in which case you do still get the pedestal kicked but you have a chance to around your neck or not but I'm going to kick out for whatever is under you take it off take it off you have about five minutes and that's the purpose of requests for comment lepers doing it right whoever's doing it because they're putting themselves in position on a pedestal of moral superiority while lying to people that's a rickety with with political violence and then what they do they're desperate to pin something on me to suggest that I'm pro violence holy so someone writes to me and asked you can pretty much do whatever the hell you like you mean the choose your target so you're exposing hypocrisy in a way that has some kind of public interest or whatever serial rapists let's generally go to like shit three people off and have ninety eight people go you see I one of the one of the things that men do is taunting when they want to connect with one another well who say he's had enough let him up well yeah depending on what is yeah we'll see our say bruce pige and then accept the premise that I've been publicly calling for journalists to be executed but that subtlety it's not a question of subtlety being lost it is doc gunning down journalists in the street just to be this is my way of saying fuck off. He publishes that and then it becomes the narrative that I've been threatening journalists in at the end of the last book I think it is that she'll be perfectly happy when the New York Times editorial commit suicide that was probably a better thing to say them right Bill Hicks like you know don't start gunning down women and children feminist I think I should write the handbook for the civil war certainly because I could probably act as a restraining influence on on I want to be like Caesar from from those movies but presiding over you know the right wing death squads if it comes to it use it in the TV show if you don't I apologize if it upset you I'm really sorry and I'll walk away now and I'll get I'll hand you over the memory this to John so that you know we're not gonNA use it for that I think is eh but when I see something these absolutely right at the half of my brain wants to mother in Boston shape you because I have a bit of a female brain to Cana troll the office of the facts by Activists Jenner works I mean it works but I refuse to play the game I don't give a shit so I will continue to stuff like that privately and they can try to grind my reputation rather it was a good metaphor I like that I think that with trolling provided that your target is virtuous ever did happen but he's not saying he's saying he wants to do and he's not tell anyone else to do it what have you don't call physical violence I never had someone in private because I kind of it was a private correspondence and nobody would be dumb enough to to see somebody says he's sitting next to me in a private text everything ritual public humiliation to where she can bear to get out of bed in the morning because she's worried someone will spit on her in the street I'm fine with that right wing side because I think that the society would build in the end would be better I don't want that to happen I very much wish I hope that the left starts rolling this stuff back down selves in the public eye like someone comes on television tells a lie about something like colleges are full of like Sabrina early who wrote that Rolling Stone Story About Uva Rape Scandal yes and I think you are justified in kicking out from under them even if they have a new strand the next time join us a down to earth or hang literally you know it's up to you you could for happened right if she's on television saying yeah so like a college hopping hotbeds of rape and that's why we should close down fraternities and all the rest of its she deserves people to express themselves again but if they don't the point is inevitable and there's things to plan for it anyway some people will take that in itself as enough of a justification that I support violence half an hour I wanna be ridiculous come what's the what's the battle royale movies they made this this mice I like but everybody who has joined with them no I'm not playing that game I'm going to continue to say to you I will be very happy ankle to does the same thing in her books so want to happen I want to be clear on this podcast wanted but if if civil war does erupt I would like to be the big gay dictator on on should be shrieked out of the profession or like a priest who fucks a prisoner's wife yes and then it's like oh you just can't be a priest anymore and publicly richly humiliation person go respond to the mother and of course you don't you're right I could see I could see the back of Asia Oh my God he's right I'm sorry in the back of your head I could see you thinking I've got to change that slapped salt and what they're seeking to do by using something like milkshake which sounds harmless and looks funny is provoked a response from the right wing person so they can say the right right wing one was violent find with that because she's got it coming advise anyone to like but I was never anyone to strike her scream at her in the street yes yell at her shelter humiliate I something like they did with the fuck you want to them I don't care if we're on the right side there's monetary damages to them Fizz I stopped short of physical there's one hundred hold up for ritual public humiliation don't don't commit acts of violence against them and I'm joking about the tomatoes because I don't agree with this career no this is my snow I only know of original mango I can't remember the name of the Hollywood version Hunger Games yes br then afterwards I think if it's going to happen to have a hand in it so I know so I advocate away I think I'd like to write a handbook for the right because I want them to to know where the line is L. advertisers pretty much eloquently should be killing you know he doesn't really mean line them up and kill them no he doesn't want to do that I mean you know who knows if you turn that's this is my own kind of Jimmy Lonesome Cup one or two American audience I don't is because people are on southland shame I'm not I'm not prepared to play this report is don't be up but if you if you if someone is lying if somebody is and that's a joy for all of them I bet a lot of people probably thought you were racist to is basically saying I'm glad glad another woman's dead because that's the level of sure that's the level in which they interrogate things but make hold her accountable for her terrible fucking behavior yes especially in her job keepers like this Joe Brian when Brian Williams went on blow and the guy stood on television. We're like wait we only trust you because you saying we're giving you the truth right so do another job but not this job anymore this person shaking thing that they're doing right wing politicians in Europe by that because it's just a precursor to acid all the police violence it's GonNa Happen Awards possibly let people throw tomatoes at them I'm not sure I'd be an afternoon serious put a police officer then are serious violence but a couple of times the show milk and then he broke my nose is in the right wing violence like fuck you if you attack me you get what's coming to you most of your instinct we understand that but the left doesn't because none of them ever been clues they also feel like they wanNA throw milkshake even run away Robin saying I hate you I think you deserve a slap in the face can I give that it's like men are misogynistic vile pigs by common I'm constantly having to face my own ideas of free speech which which is you and taking their chances you know no they wanNA throw a milkshake and run away quite often from behind because cowards just like journalists who close their common sections like a hit and run the exact opposite was true this was a consumer revolt against politically modulus coverage that was basically just relentlessly circus circus freaks who will lecturing other people on how they should live who aren't part of that world now it's not like a New Yorker Breitbart ever since it me and all the time I was there they wouldn't let me publish a column the headline of which was going to make America hate again because they said that it might play into the whatever and I said what are you running pr for the guys shitting on its own readership right so you got these game blogs that are red sorry to say almost exclusively by men because it's mostly men who play the game excellent women play stuff like bejeweled and we're talking about generally obviously you can't communicate in this you generalize General Tommy Women Your opinions let her go around so I think that people who commit heinous acts of hypocrisy deserve public ritual humiliation yeah but we do want him to window we're not saying let's go fuck with me I love the Guy and one of his biggest supporters but the reason I want to write this column was about what we talked earlier saying that it is right and proper to hateful and if if feminist activists claim that they're in support of quality but actually what they're doing is man-hating than it is right and proper to hate those people because those people are hateful hypocritical bullies why they saw it as a lucrative new frontier in the feminist wars and of the market could the hatred economy these hateful people you know can you know women do the candy crush kind of games right and by hours spent they probably about equal to men in terms of like number of game is whatever but it's a different kind of game gaming blogs are typical and they were coming straight white male is the lowest difficulty setting which we know is Sean Kentucky which at times part of coca and this was relentless and they deserve to be driven from public life if we possibly can to save US whatever so make America hatred and I thought was funny the only time I've ever said email and these these video game journalists trade press presses like trade practices and the same standards lowest standards are on the mainstream they don't even have both on my telegram account today about this essay put out this morning just saying oh you're just bad accession Josh your hopelessly compromise your liar India the nine year old boys working and gay pride rallies. I find that outrageous drag queens storytime I find outrageous I think that's probably worthy of the monarchy hateful things because it is there is this is what I'm saying is it right and proper place for outrage some things are outrageous lent relentless and in the end the game is we're just like who are you people let's look into you and it turns out he's feminists rural hypocrites cheaters liars trainees just sort that's where it was supposed to be like all these straight white males gap on the Internet to like bully women of color and I was the reporter who helped kick all this often push into the mainstream emotion like there's a reason it exists evolutionary speaking we should be able to indulge it where it is justified the left is ruined outrage for everyone if you like by it hate speech Jesse bells a hate speech all I do a speech speaking hate yes of course offer some hateful the only thing I've ever been since the only career but I wish I had to I'm not one hundred percent I'm not the Howard working all moments but I would like to be those moments you're not thinking yesterday ah degenerate that you brought up earlier I think that is degenerate I think it's outrageous and outrage like anger has its place it's a it's a worthwhile essential human and if you don't if you absolutely absolutely absolutely insist then we'll probably have to do it because we do believe in you know which I thought was very good at them even hated the idea completely and in the end I was like okay fine exercise what they know is their cultural and social power over you by saying I really offensive and really inappropriate and I'd like you to apologize knowing that they have it's very politically modernise in video gaming because it's all for the GEEKS and they're all these game is on the play zone customers on but the to the community was tending to be mad about nothing axiomatically right sometimes I want to go to the I don't believe you don't believe you're mad about this or not and they're not that we have to stop talking so much it's bothering somebody from Michigan New Yorkers stop coming into New York and saying what are these dog stands about trash should fight tooth and nail against and those in other words where we see injustice we are right to be outraged not the conflict decibel dirties you up completely that doesn't mean that there isn't a proper place for outrage because there are things that are outrageous and offensive a mark on you and if you don't and probably either way apology don't you're already you're fucked anyway but the the best you can hope for is a desperate in and they have that coming and that's okay is there anything else which roles go too far no not really I m most of the things you hear about are lies that whole game against scandal with video game scramble back to semi respectability by begging for whatever that's what most people do now I don't play these games I don't like these Games did outrage of the modern left but the outrage born born out of this innate a loathing of injustice I think we will have foreseen in the process of finishing this now and I was just I was thinking two days ago Sean just show of it and write a book make America again about why it's okay to hate yeah and that's what I mean by make America great again I mean there's a there's a proper place for hateful things deserving of our our an anger and those are the things that we you actually are outrageous because they're injustices for instance slavery is an injustice that is outrageous that has been corrected there are probably some they never they're liars they're not mad about it it is an exercise of power not an expression of pain there are no pain no misery they just want to yeah I was just like you buy yeah so these these these these these who were who were coming into video games because Eddie fuck trump fuck white people similarly deserves restitution individual yeah I think it's okay and we should surely congregate around the things that not many but probably some remaining justices my argument my my belief about this stuff is that the left is creating new justices where they had not previously existed on black is getting beaten up and dragged behind trucks and you can say this is outrageous this is this is something that requires restitution punishment right any sane normal concerned not with bejeweled and candy dog but rather destiny and League of legends whatever so these Games are overwhelming just things happen to people who don't share our politics right there unjust things happen to people all over the place you know you could say racism is not the problem the left makes it out to be and there are still videos of Sarah Palin Margaret Thatcher Michelle Bachmann Condoleeza Rice even uninvited and called on the aren't you I've got a book who feminism is cancer often my most famous utterance available dangerous Not yet not yet there's this book that I'm in the first is finished this cancer women who are Republican look at how they took all this stuff about misogyny look at how right we look at how left-wing men look at how left-wing men talk about campuses if you're a man in culture if you're white in in all of society if you are a minority group with the raw politics just look at how they talk about professional contexts where women can get men fight on their say-so no man can the woman ever under any circumstance for the injustices visited upon women if you WanNa see misogyny write these things I think are injustices and these are being created by Desi politics created by progressivism progressive created by the left and these are with the subjects for comedy proper subjects were comedy the injustices in the hypocrisy that created by the left by the power imbalance between women and men and during your contract you're not going to be like well you know whatever you know likewise the black kids who cutting the boy while they were yelling often characterized by ignorance stupidity and close mindedness Democrats are just fucking evil malevolent end manipulative and they say I say this particular one yeah I mean look at how left-wing men talk about right wing addressed by very many Netflix specials. I see a lot of netflix specials laughing at white people I see a lot of Netflix specials laughing rich and being on TV as a young comic field and I'm sorry I can't book you and it is not because you're not talented is because of the system we're living in now and I failed and I'm sorry this is green new deal Eric Garcetti mayor of L. A. While his city is descending into one giant trash sheets for homeless is Greenville sounds great on about the trash problem Oh that's a federal issue we need some national leadership on that what fuck you like this they're very happy to look because okay for a black person or win no I've had to pass over more qualified man for less qualified minority and I'm I think it's true to say what people think it's our system right now well look I think Republicans is stupid and Democrats are evil to be honest I think Republicans I'm just GonNa fix schools in black neighborhoods which by the way is not the Democrat Party Republican Party either but but but but Democrats make things worse Republican find to be unjust sponsor is not yours as a producer on TV show to socially engineer the world if you think the world is unjust vote in political party doc is it okay that we like America this much you know this is the right is in like these paroxysms of self doubt whereas the left is like okay let's do the thing you know you go bill de Blasios don't really believe in very much now I forgot where I was going with that but the point is an injustice these injustices are these are injustices that I do not they struggle to remember these things not being racist and not having a lot of these prejudices I have to try to remember things that I've been accused of saying what is it people applying for college or the wrong skin color track to head of them who drop out anyway because they can't believe so I've had to do this book to television show and you need diversity Shuna stick they didn't seem to believe in very much which is why they can look left so dramatically and not miss a beat whereas the right kind of like torturing itself over the trump era that more meandering and I think maybe I've got the impression of him it's kind of like on the on the the retirement run from that I don't watch his best stuff so maybe that's on me a war between the Fox News Department which is Bret Baier which is basically pretty bulletproof reporting you know nine and a half times out of ten you can't find anything wrong with it there's what's the female uncle Tom thing is you don't uncle Tom's right yeah yeah I remember this is not funny it's not funny it's not funny and I've watched all of it all the way through yeah it's not funny and as good or better job than anybody else where I try to watch things I don't think that you listen to Shapiro whatever moaning about Lena Dunham I think he's ever fucking funny lines in it it doesn't really it doesn't really enjoy it but I'm watching it because I think it's important that if I'm constantly cracking jokes about her I've actually seen her show right for sure Zombie and Fox News and I was like I think all journalists have reaches point where they're kind of intentionally lying to me or make me believe the untreated and he goes yeah but Fox News is just I Boston's I also like some Murray apparently his name no I like him I like the I try to do what most most Republicans most right wingers don't do which is actually watched the things I say I hate I I have seen talk to my buddy about the best hand to to to have integrity in that way right I have seen several of Schumer's a special special she starts talking about a stinking these when you ask who's doing a good job I got no fucking clue because people I watch your old dead I like I'll watch bill Hicks I like those old canteen all between that and the opinion side the Sean and the talkers and all the rest of it right they -pletely different worlds at Fox and if you listen a Dame Edna Barry Humphries because I love this very sophisticated comedy most Americans don't get all of the stuff that's going on you know when he'll say something terrible and Bret Baier and Smith some of the rest of it I might find them a little bit to quote Unquote Cup a little bit too like Rhino they're hard news reports and in many cases doing well I mean it nicely it's unless you had a grandma like that it's a very sophisticated brilliant character so I like stuff like that I don't think many right-wingers we'll do that I don't think I don't think any thoughts anyone you see pontificating on twitter cracking jokes about Lena Dunham fatness I don't think any of them have seen girls I tried an episode of girls I've seen the first three seasons I've made all the way through yet but I am watching it I'm not enjoying it but I'm watching the first season was good I don't enjoy it became shoes people who is doing it with bill burr will attack people like that yeah but he's GonNa pass the peak of his career now isn't it I mean he's he's I think he's thousand ninety five cents but if you steal a belt they have to take that into account and now all the belts cost twenty dollars because they have to take into account the thefts yes when you see a shitty comic here's like a joke point joke point as many funny jokes in that as any bookbinding comedian I don't watch a lot of it because I find it so repellent and I've been to a lot of open MIC nights I've watched a lot of intelligent and I've been pushed very very far away from it does it there's this idea that if you steal a belt from a store it should cost nineteen it makes your view of comedy go down by one percent yeah it does it and it hurts me on that level because because comedies become a branch of political I'll tell you the truth I don't watch a lot of comedy for this reason because of the politics it's probably betrayed you in the UK or whether it's whatever I think he's in his prime I think you're seeing a guy in his prime years he will eventually like everybody start out I think he's talking about I listen to his podcast and listen to his shows and his paw causes oh is as much college tours off jokes and the rest of it I mean this is reasonable claim for me being some kind of you know comedian ish certainly if you re doing it the exact same point to the point now where they're making fun of that sometimes I think the reason I became popular so quickly here is that I was in college liked what is that yeah because it's the same people cracking the same joke to the same audience is about the same subjects I mean you can go to Scotland Edinburgh I like the old cantankerous Boston so I do love I like a lot and I like a lot of that honestly I as somebody who with straight from the beginning to the end semi wash nineteen accident on Apple Watch never watch it I'm like what's his opinion based on and he wouldn't even know that there was a there was a how funny it's nothing money those eber hours a stop at forty minutes in they get serious they pull up a chair and they talk about their dad who died and it's like guys you're hacky your so enthralled with the idea people like you're so brave showing your gross she just did it nonstop because yeah I I'm enjoying it I don't particular like it has made me chuckle there Ian Lesbians who are still cracking the same jokes about Margaret Thatcher right you just go just like you know if they actually told Hof history history these days is history of science or whatever it's just as list of women who didn't really invent anything and that one black guy in the nineteen fifties who truncates the career potential of anybody who is insufficiently woke and that to me says that the profession is not really about amusing rich from the Mexican version of Google get Edison Bell because the famous American event is who actually invented shit right so so the American is really really woke and so I was making jokes audience wouldn't alive in talking about he's got a good impression I've never heard her kind it's virtue signal it's kind of it's moral gesturing right into this because I was like I wish there was somebody who made me laugh and there isn't anyone I will tell you there are still hardcore comedians operating where they should which is in basements all over Manhattan it's like diversity of opinion and I do want someone from England it's On for America so much just chat but I've told them man I'm like hey just so you know I know this is a big opportunity for you as an individual right which I'm sure you have to okay and you go you go to see the Scottish loose those UK festival hours ossified old Caledon Elena box of crayons and accidentally drew the plans for Mike but Nobody makes jokes like that and it's bamboozling to me because shakeup in my in my financial circumstances the trust fund whose abruptly cut off and has to go from Limos to Uberpool American inventors. You won't see Edison Bell you see Black and female faces you've never heard didn't didn't abandoning whereas if you Google is doing results but if a hobby for ridiculously wealthy people which also has the happy secondary function of money laundering there people actually challenging on HBO and if they're not on HBO to me that says that there is a sickness in the entertainment industry and in comedy that I just wrote a book my finances a very up and down as you would admit Britain well I've done it just a little short one recently called how to be poor -taining people but rather is another bronx your political activism and that's how I lost interest in comedy to me it's like do you view as an art form and most people say yes if you haven't the argument and then at that point you're like well legitimate for them to say that comedy is but also should subscribe to particular political roles because for them aren't is not something to be pursued for its own sake that gestures into this decades ago sculpture and painting became from the you know from from great heights in you know whether it's whatever you like whether you like the money laundering scheme for very wealthy rich wives so park their money in shit total garbage is a it is a it is a very little but jokes a nicer like you know if you read history books Google Gerrymanders the search result so if you look for famous it's not my job like I'm a pundit I'm a writer and author commentator slow my job to be funny but if not all going to do it then I'll crack some jokes you know he was like I was kind of like forced the ineffable beauty and truth and majesty autism political tool so they can well Coronado of course not but when when when for instance the visual arts political weaponry right this is when you start to get tate modern and the GUGGENHEIM and this fucking garbage and this is now the state of contemporary are is now that it is basically just can you attack subject matter and technique that's been style that's because leftist Artis Political Fr- because they can't agree that how can you read a book about a Strip club jokes about Muslims telling jokes about women refreshing yeah it's like fuck he really went there like oh I never heard anybody to know because I would make gay jokes that'd be like what's gay of Islam in terms fifty bucks a canvas seven the pain is this it's now worth seven million Damien Hirst who doesn't even draw the okay he wasn't wasn't an ideolog in that way he just saw what they were doing you know and and he it very learned brilliant man but caustic and Waspish in in a wonderful British way about about contemporary off he's basically rated about a a gay pride parade like well I don't want from the activists point of view is propaganda so they prefaced perfectly cover I think it's got like re read looks a bit cubis on the cover I'll send to military right but he also writes for a beautifully about his own life the last of the breed gone that's it and he died again I would guess like five or ten years ago and I think maybe maybe even more recent I think I feel like it's more reason he loves dogs who've deeply humane spiritual man he did a TV show about a techie about art. And I I remember what it's called I think is called you'll know we'll sue he was one of those elderly homosexuals who is very auction camp hysterically funny bitchy hated most modern art but not exclusively he wasn't soon seal S. w. e. l. l. so he he his best writing I think is called there's a collection of essays is that the critics who point this stuff out are all dying off so the greatest loss I really paid attention to call Brian Sewell and he was that's it is Jeff Koons piece is just an assistant picking paint on the canvas and suddenly you've said the stuff that's worth Friday night you've got twenty men in a room stick in the in the you know like it's not that funny but why is no charge a little bit funny but it's or Dan you know sculpture painting it from the great when the business and the art world gave into as being an instrumentation it's being a political it's an art okay I'll of disability on this level are the trolling is an art form only in the most trivial sense of the expression art form conduit for for Catholics and for Christians be is as an cleverly funny yeah just suspending a crucifix in urine rules that he insisted sells it the same circles for fucking a thousand bucks and he's telling for a million and it's created the same circles by the same person and the great tragedy is not clever or funny but it is today shocking them in a place where like we've never seen this before excess food trolling control it's it's rolling it's good to great troll role not believing what you say playing devil's advocate but you can also be a troll playing devil's advocate for some higher purpose like exposing hypocrisy so I do draw distinction between Rembrandt or Kandinsky which is the deep into the rock to be honest with you but let's let's go get rembrandt or whether you like Botticelli all maybe it's in the last five years his nineties but the the art world now is nothing nothing about cystic value going on in any truth and beauty and we should be spiring to to being free capitalist Christian Democratic we think his is less less morally incorrigible even if it is funny yeah and we say that you know like oh he's raise such such high are in the casual everyday meaning of off foam yes but as an awful might painting or sculpture of course not row ride I relate to a mother who is not enough and there's an art gallery I forget where it was too had to cover up paintings because they might offend Muslims I woke the talk about Emmett till and and I don't know if you heard about this and people revolted because she was a white lady you can't ever relate to this if she goes I'm a mother going further and being more brutal and more trolling more hurtful than mealy upsetting somebody for the sake of being which is Brianna gallery great tragedy politics where it's like peace what was the lift experience a fuck off dead and there's no one like him to replay there's no other place because because the lobbying so heavily for him to be completely excluded and nobody else will take his place because nobody else will get I am not good enough this is this is what I'm saying they should be on. Hbo For sure why on the board art we're like I don't give me decide what you're doing and this is this is the same industry that produced piss Christ right nihilistic troll who merely troll for the sake of upsetting people which I see no value although sometimes of course it can be funny it can be funny inspired me to say do and be whatever we wanted to have guns and shoot people if they break into our house you know trolling the is in service of some higher okay that's going on the troll have to be aligned with the words is using or is it just about the reaction he or she is getting I think you can moral or political purpose for me is more just morally justifiable and I think that that trolling which has done for a high moral purpose is justified. It's about finding people angry with virtuous trolling that I do which is for what I think is a high moral purpose which is reminding people that there is such a thing as how you know like your your body's shot you're old and you hate your penis this is this is just you know it's not it's just it's just therapy just don't want to pay for that's like trolling you like code of ethics I think that you're justified in going further and harder and and at the end of the day done a good public service and you may wouldn't laugh about it but I I think that if you if you do it with some if you do it with a purpose in mind which is perhaps to expose the hypocrisy of somebody in power and I think that's code of ethics with yeah wouldn't stand ups not really in our firm either of course he's got jokes requires some kind of permanent some degree of pumice you know if you're just standing up and talking a pure about it and when people are in my comment sections berating me just leave the character you know this people commenting on people who kind of like reading each other you know like the library is open kind of stuff who just being mean for the sake of hurting someone's feelings I don't see much value in that I do see a lot of value in political trolling at the same time being educational and amusing better than that versus just being mean because you can because you're well educated in a bitch and you can get I've never had an orgasm that good oh never banned from a country yes a continent country continent Australia and New Zealand they will the warm creamy feeling in your mouth the end of what might surprise in tune and comforted and happy and wore every it feels like it feels like a resolution you know like a prolonged and Milo is milo is something that feels warm and comforting is it slides down the back of your throat and it's also beverage maniacal idiot also pictured death data that's my kind of comedy anyway I was talking about somebody coming role somebody Oh yeah it's just beautiful orgasm but way better than any orgasm from sex because it lasts so long and you're so at peace and it's like this feels like the Eucharist let me in any way and I'll get to heaven heaven feels like the huge long Melissa Lewis like melted chocolate orgasm of of a long night over known as molly because even when I was even even when I was in Britain I was only listening to American music and hanging out with American people so I've only ever known as molly when you when you take a warm icon explain it without reference to an extremely graphic homosexual act which I'm going to inflict on you because I figured this is that kind of focused it's like there's a picture of like Dave Rubin and Darth Vader and I'm like you know as self-important slightly so self-important Meghan and so when I go to Australia with my show I said I said I know that you love Milo down here big mile of fans molly and that's how I feel when I call a fem fat content ah incredibly humid I like I like those really old like ooh mode and like that's my kind of comedy it's just maybe maybe when I die if I've been good even though I've been a terrible and disgusting homosexual if I have upset in feminist maybe it feels like a hug it's like have you ever taken Molly Sherman that's how that's how feels like you were saying Mali and my country said of Mandy I appreciate you making the effort magically brutalizing drugging and raping young White Girls Release Won't investigate because they don't want to be seen as racist xenophobic so they turn a blind eye to it for a decade during which time so stealing and when you see them like flip out and you just go coach shooting things like this are inevitable when governments cover up for the misdeeds of Muslims and punish everybody else like Rotherham and tell in London where you've got Pakistani rape gang system dislike revolt against Islamisation feminists and blue so the revenge for that was banning me waiting for me to say something about Australian right can I come in your pants I just WanNa put hand just to feel it it's feeling a standing ovation for you thank you so much thank you what a fucking high level yeah got Laura Luma I'm the most banned women in the wealth bitch I'm Ben Thousands of women in each town have been victimized by these these Pakistani rape gangs and almost over Islam phobic the most like this happens the more people are going to shoot up mosques it's not fucking rocket science it's obvious so why don't you treat everybody the same that was enough to get me banned from New Zealand Australia but the real reason band is that I had a phenomenal so UC Berkeley as a thing that most me from in this country where I got UC Berkeley burn down because I wanted to talk about cultural appropriation and the leftist activists burned down you know well about every in humility modest though is your overall because after the off well yes it's actually retaliation it's not really about anything I said although I did say that I didn't like it when mm-hmm and suck up to Barbara Alien regimes meaning designing terrorism and I said that the new New Zealand Christ I'm in the way that I'm in it unless you are cognizant of accepting of the consequences and a modest though I typically am about my you wouldn't have gone to the TV show now quickly obviously I mean you know people like yeah I'd be a sell out but I would also they get censored because he knows basically he can only really be top dog if everyone else get censored because he's not talented or funny enough to survive if he actually has real competition incontinent thrown out of a bookstore is great I love her she's great but come on I am Benjamin talk would you do molly and you're with friends in your hugging because you get like that cold sweaty hugs that would be disgusting if you sober and you just feel obviously that's what I'm naturally disposed would've loved gay good looking Gay well-spoken but I won't shut up about Muslims and I won't shut up about feminists and I won't shut up Berkeley Most People Manami for that February twenty seventeen I had a similarly culturally transformative moment in Australia would in days about this Ad Pakalitha on Youtube because he doesn't want to upset anyone on the left who might be reactor now bullshit he said nothing about coming he's seventeen when I did a tour down there and it was like this moment when they'd never heard anyone talking sense for like twenty years in public life because the media is on the same way as ause and it just created these people currently the best the right has to offer an ESA pissy and it's only really because it took a long time to get to them because they had much more funny and effective and persuasive people like me to Asia and Australia and it's like holy that multi multi multi powder hot water to a chocolate version of that does he goes quiet right and similarly with other he's fine he's a leftist I get it it's not his job to stand up for the right but people on the right Steven crowder for instance who do not stand up for other my own whatever but but but yes it is a kind of modern because because if I had if I had watched myself if I had not gone there if I had been more careful actual income and stuff like that that suck terrible terrible side effects I honestly it's like it's unfair it is but you don't go into the business now it could be an engine of reactive regress which is what we need but they won't stand up for it and that's why I think America is original mother but but you are you are accepting I mean look if I had really been careful about what I say in Wall WanNa break let me just tell you this that are going to be in Nashville this weekend Liam is a form of martyrdom you are not you're not you're not being strung up on the highway out of out of Rome but you are I could quite easily have cruised into a right wing version of a Bill Maher for instance right I could ever ascend to write a centre-right real-time quite Saturday zanies I'm GonNa be in San Jose November seventh eighth and ninth all tickets are at Ari Shapiro Dot Com I'm going to be in Detroit second show added in at the magic bag out all my venues would be and people who people who all prepared to stay quiet when it really matters like Jordan Peterson who despite the fact that Youtube made him has not said it's not it's not an organization it's a it's a message board loads of different communities and the one that typically gets the most flak is Paul which is the politics much like you outside I don't really know all the details they seem to have been a misdiagnosed group organization like who are the in November the fourteenth the Vic Chicago November sixteenth and then Cincinnati November seventeenth feeling to them and using it as an excuse not to give me a visa but they don't understand that's like they're just paying you yes control does yes yeah separate about variety of other things and I'm just too pro Christian for for for Republicans to support and this is what tells me the American side is basically doomed because it's not prepared to you want some Scotch Scotch I dunno culture Bro mccallan whisky it's not prepared to stand up for that offensive speech which was typically and historically as we started this conversation talking about the province of Progressives and an engine of progressive progress okay well yeah I mean you know why like brandy not whiskey it's wild like black man because it's one black man excuse me these I really decline at this point changes batteries but I won't talk about Fortune and the second chewing board which has a blend of people who don't like us very much all the way up to just edge lords trolls and people who just like upsetting people lords edged doc part going you see again you know no one else would tell jokes so I have to visit a multi drink cold Milo is very popular as but what the black people have sex differently you know it's it's a different thing it's very very different fora let's move on in late I figure now crowd is on the way out and all the rest of it and they're all you would not believe the text messages I've been getting in the last couple of months that people say I'm so sorry just hoping the crocodile will eat them we saw me as making excuses for Anti Semites and what was really trying to say is Jen's e the Post millennials the young people I got a lot of trouble with the sort of very Jewish neo-con establishment right in the last election when I was pro-trump because they stepping of the application of antisemitism as a as a criticism right it has become it's become begun to be military fetishism if you like the Republican right there's also one which is bipartisan about Kris kind of thing and I'm just like you can all fucking done can all burn and you will you will burn I don't give a shit about anything anymore I'm going to be funny in Catholic boys he said nothing he said on on stage in I did talk with them recently and he apologized for some of this and that's okay but the point being that he's he's golf the WHO you WanNa come over all you have to deal with this yeah all right let's talk about because ah x zero both kind of nihilistic fun loving individualists and they love smashing taboos particular unlike off too drastic park nine thousand four three four off about nineteen ninety-five Tabu breakers and nihilists like Jenex was millennials millennials a conformist totalitarian status like what's a young people who always do anyway and zero to booze on the right as well as to boost and left we spoke about one of those whose earlier that sort of misapplied just like racism and sexism. I think that it's overstepped its bounds as a as a argument tool right I think the right if Hamas is in a school is it okay to bomb the school I would say yes you would probably say fuck no right say that they had the thing with ambulances sizing it seems like young people this is how they would describe it I think anything Jewish any person with Jewish surname any behavior allowed to say the Jews run the media you also say criticism the meteoroid somehow subtly anti Semitic how the fuck does that work I think that they're right to identify over let's to Manley for me any contact something warmer and Z. I'm very much into that Melissa Lewis Hug we're talking about the warm glow the state of Israel does any any kind of thing that might be vaguely perceived as having something to do with Jewish interests criticizing the media alone at the same time as you say agent parents it's got nothing to do anything America does you enter our country illegally you're lucky that you're allowed to stay here in a detention center and not just be shipped back off into the middle of the ocean somewhere long in hoping that they would get away with it and they brought their sick kid those parents are fucked their depraved cruel you know what does that is that come on and fuck constant is the Bogan Billion Continent Australasia into illegally enter that makes perfect sense to me put him on Cuba okay with the parents if there for a couple of years when I was a religious Jew Unorthodox to sashes at you and I'm Super Pro Israel at the same time I see it's always great dot com now let's get back to the show my low is done pissing clubby l. have ugly hideous regressive attitudes frankly my foreign policy boils down to new Mecca because I just want I just want that cutting themselves to make excuses for it look ridiculous to everyone and it's just the worst example of dhimmitude which we saw what happened in Andalucia in Spain I bought two almost nobody in my Zionism I'm a massive fan like Israel can do pretty much what the hell they want over there and I say this is what we're talking about it it is Palestine where ninety seven percent of the population believed that homosexuality is an unacceptable lifestyle or annex is unacceptable that sort of thinking doesn't go I bought two almost nobody maybe you and I have very different views on this I have no idea it's very difficult to predict what even if you know the politics what did you think about Israel but ticket belief system wiped off the face of the planet because it's evil it is evil sick and wrong and it drives people to do terrible terrible things and the liberals can reasonable person we'll agree that you know I mean wish that little nine year old didn't miss her arm now when she wasn't doing anything difficult ones the predecessors have made it so I take I take my pocket knife on a plane but I can't because there's other people for me those people fucked it up for you redirect your anger fuck it out and having said that the only people who is going to be doing tony the left should be grateful Ilhan Oma breaking the Damn on that because they can all admit what they really believe which is they don't support Israel their pro Muslim and the population enslaved and covered up in rags it's just sick and ugly and I hate it and it is a rational normal position to hold about a belief system that I have investigated and found wanting plenty of you in this points because of Lawrence Buckling and they said ambulances guys go through someone's dying and then they started smuggling arms in the ambulances and so they're like well we gotta check ambulances now and then in the Middle Ages anyway back to this I don't like that particular belief system it wants me dead it once you know only decided they care about Jews so much that they're going to invent allegations of antisemitism against trump supporters because it was suddenly suddenly the outbreak of people who hate Jews in in Wisconsin period yeah no I'm not saying dump them in the Ocean to kill them I'm saying ship them off to an island somewhere like Australia does this they have the island to a standard like punches card of the eight nine topics that the left has to hold the White House there's they have to hold the anti Israel in the media yes but not in politics not until two years ago because Israel was was was the only was the a great great demeaning term Lord give me because I will I will swat you he's seventeen year olds on the Internet you're afraid of doing to you they do to the left about racism and sexism bogus allegations of antisemitism but it's not like Palestinians don't support what Hamas is doing they later from US government I mean the most hostile country for gays in the world who lived through the second mobile they're not talking about this stuff in in school because history lessons have become subordinated social justice culture which is just a little bit how terrible would have been right by sixteen thirty one right ones wherever it appears regressive social attitudes homophobia the oppression of women systematic blow about right I'm perfectly happy with Israel whatever the hell ones but this was used as evidence that trump supporters because he was associated with this Mimi culture were were voluntee- Semis and I know these people are doing Palestine and now they're going to be able to start saying on Democrat side and so within I think within half a decade you'll see the Democrat party dramatically changing its attitude everything everything someone coke everyone thinks cook anyway because I'm fidgety and hyperactive and I talk really quickly Between the ages of nine thousand nine hundred twenty eight okay whatever I trust you I believe point being I when when when fortune when Gen Z. These young kids get through where people who the ocean paradise of now rue Indonesians who come in these boats in Australia when they're caught they get shipped off to narrow while they're processed so they're not in the country they were the Palestinians will say how dare you and it's like well because we can't train bombs obviously this one guy who's dying it's not his fault along people these kids who are dying on the southern border in America the fault is not with with the Border Patrol or ice is the parents who brought them illegally into a country they do not uh-huh supports I unfortunately hi how the fuck did we yeah there's a lot of tweeting Ben Shapiro Gas Chamber memes right only bipartisan given in American Politics Maybe F- right Democrats Look Democrat Democrats are up in arms about antisemitism especially now they've decided they've said any specific attitude towards years so when they found out look you know you have kids or you know if you spend time on message boards designed serve ridicule just like bogus allegations of racism and sexism deserve ridicule and they're just doing the same to because these people like nobody is alive in these kids lives ray the space shuttle blew up and they sent us teacher I think so and they sent a teacher just a regular civilian teacher up in space and we were all watching every fallen out of living memory for them with the consequence that it isn't as real for them as nine eleven still would hurt for them right because remember it's not in living memory they don't have they don't have grandparents standard of like they're beautiful and peaceful like the native American and pity militarize but now you might say his Roberto the bottom line is to trigger people and you give these people access to twitter accounts where they can trigger famous people and they do and they start getting a rise out of somebody for a particular class of joke and I fully support those kids right to bust taboos because I don't think that that was coming from a place of Jew hatred I I think it was coming from number one for trolls for kind of trolls that we were talking about trolling for the sake of being mean which I don't necessarily love and celebrate but I will damn right defend your your right to do it open my comments suck but himselves into target number one with obvious results and entry have the same opinion about Christianity I happen to think that's okay we can have those opinions this quickly belief system results in the rape of young girls especially do when something is forbidden and this is the this is the attraction of some of us who've been banned become irresistible is the same as the it's Madonna in donner MTV it's Marilyn Manson becomes resistible for teenagers and by reacting with pomposity and apoplexy at Muslims which were not really I don't think primarily motivated by antisemitism will hatred anybody particularly but we're really motivated by mischief yet MR I don't WanNa stop doing it oh I'm sorry I did I tell those jokes anymore they're going to quadruple down so when when John Potterat saw or rolled Republican magazine journalists horrified by this just because they don't understand the Internet why do you think that this fifty six year old guy getting upset about it and the offices of national review in Washington colonialism and it's my holocaust anymore yeah it's natural also just like this seen that happen before so they relate the Holocaust until the hon it's just in the before time in a big way in his as an expert on taking it I know I I I get it I get why fifty Laura what do you think those kids on on for channel going to do they're not going to stop they're going to send ten times the number of oven jokes Oh yeah and of course that's what was happening the Florida coast time from fourth and fifth graders yeah because this is wrong so we get joy out of this the generation the Holocaust is not in living memory because their grandparents were alive then right because there's no one they grew up within their family was alive then it has school was like we're going to the Ma- blew up and he was maybe two hours before the first like jokes are coming out or any of the National Review Guys Job at national review go you throw their hands up in horror and clutch pills discussing trump's supported anti in general each successive generation people are getting less racist less sexist less bigoted injury and all about almost everything you hard rising woke up to expect them to understand how Internet culture works which is this extraordinary mystifying language community speech community that even some of us who live in it A place of of transgression for its own sake for its own sake when when when the weren't here the space shuttle I was fourth fifth sixth it's definitely been bad in a lot of places Jews if have have got it in the neck throughout history places rest to make the case that millennials are more prejudiced about anything than genetics and the Gen Z.. Off to them what are they more prejudiced about than their parents were say when I was alignment they just don't the two it was more to do with getting a rise out of easily triggered people than I mean you're like someone's in your office reading my emails and deciding whether to send me an ad for dish soap because there's just they just don't get it they don't even understand how the basics of online just fine this works ruling on it no they don't and so that's that's the majority of it and so I don't really see huge antisemitism problem the single parenthood and drugs and being an getting degrees they end in studies instead of learning engineering or whatever but come on I mean dickey's there's some evidence that Gen Z. are a bit more family oriented because they've seen the mess that their parents have made D. C. understands the Internet any better than the Republican Congressmen who's asking a number askings October or something is so if you're reading my emails it doesn't subscribe to Youtube Channel so you couldn't assume she'd see it cuts I subscribe to one puppy thing and then the rest kind of do have you there's a joy in when you troll somebody wealth there is the most satisfying feeling at all really the there is a there but it's there but it's always been there I don't think it's enormously big or small it was twenty years ago and I think that Gad's going to put it by reacting with pomposity and apoplexy I think Jews in the media generally right end lift made themselves targets it's always been dangerous to be ju somewhere in the world ever since that have been used and it's probably the only minority could really say that about maybe I don't know maybe it's not but but air Christy McAuliffe was was the was the she went up there and what's her paper brand of shampoo head and shoulders because she's but where where did you take a vacation all of the and I don't really think I mean yes there are some antisemites yes there are some people who have problems with Jews there always has been it has always been dangerous to Ju- somewhere in the world ever since they have been Jews we are you can thank you yeah so he was on this podcast and he was like the interesting thing is when they're like we we will against you because your girlfriend you said you're trying to piss there's your coffee and get warm to your itchy nose and your coffee I do think touches no it's fine bluish itchy and then the more I touch it and feel better so much who might wish you hadn't done that just like I'm very America and I might have started bombing in office even if it's like you're not helping yourself absolutely and technical technically Jewish lean on it lead on it when I need you to embarrass the left he's honest because why not oh I'm Jewish I'm not a proper Jew my mom is Jewish so by Jewish rules match beyond Jewish but Saddam but I was raised Catholic so I consider myself a Christian wonderful any kind of criticism whatsoever I think runs up against this anti Semitism thing and I think it's become a sort of well sexist out and they're not I think there's a willful ignorance of how some of these Internet community I'm on does anyone really believe that the next generation coming up saturated in social justice politics and all the rest of it aside from a little bit of rebellion is going to be more racist you know his daughter converted to Judaism and his grandchildren are Jewish periods and when people say this is the most I don't get mad about very much when people say oh they mock you for when you say like Oh my best friend's black racist 'cause your best friend black to which I want to ask the question ooh I'm not compelled to buy my private life doesn't have a diversity quota even in my job does right if it doesn't persuade you I am I the race agnostic or even in my case preferred company african-americans the white people yeah I do I do the best thing they've come up with among many wonderful things including the OK hand sign which bubbled up on fortune and then basically because I I was really good argument against the proposition that you might be racist if the person you choose to spend most of your time when you don't have to is black and you love them yeah probably it is quite it doesn't persuade you that I'm not racist in the people I choose to spend my time around when I don't have to when I'm not at work and what not if that doesn't persuade you can fall in love with and marry and dedicate the rest of my life to a man who I think it makes me makes me what award because he's so pro Israel his daughters Jewish kids are Jewish pro Israel forget pro Israel his family's off Jewish the white nationalist thing chances are they'll put onscreen next day you know well the crown all so yeah so I was at the very forefront of making sure that happened in the last election it was we understand the left doesn't want us to be reciprocally proud of being white like you're allowed to be proud of being gay or black or a paraplegic lesbian immigrant whatever H is put together so it stands behind Hitler and now that's the new thing we're trying to give you anything you give CNN and you tell them this is the secret so stupid stupid a new one is the is the fash tag because if you draw a hashtag symbol what do you call it here pound pound it's actually like to it was demonstrating that it is now in American public life not even okay to say it's okay it's not it's not great to be what it's okay to be white yeah yeah this was so four Chan is this makes me mad anyway so for Chen trolls extraordinary jewels extraordinary that Shiloh buff stuff the best thing it's like I was pushing it through all my channels and the access of course oh I was not only deeply embedded in all of that but I was making sure that all the trump activists provided to people and it was suggested that this should be on t shirts and posters around college campuses it caused chaos and madness and fury on the left who DESCR who described this as an expert Russian of white supremacy and white nationalism and the whole joke which they just couldn't see and therefore walked straight into is that they the the about Jews after all the Anti Semitism so we're going to brand his supporters anti Semitic if there's any content on the Internet that must be from trump's supportive eight it's just another front in aw they came up with this it's okay to be white so the idea was this is the most unobjectionable imaginable statements white pride remember joyful person but as you can tell from my yelling get surrounded by person but the only thing that really really annoys me is we're doing OK hand sign to make omnipresent to just just to fuck with CNN right so I was I was spending a lot of spending that much articles and ninety percent of my time faulk would persuade you I'm not racist and the also causes nothing because they don't they're not really interested in reading it really annoys me yeah and that is ornate free speech and they burned down Berkeley to stop me saying it thanks drew done so that's that's what I do as a comic it right and that's the holy grail of trolling when you provoke your opponent into making your point for you for instance I want to call this tool saying the left isn't elections it's just a place people go to hang out who like similar kinds of humor and hate the same people are you familiar with the Cacophony Society no okay since I've just been appointed I wanNA talk about this go ahead a really great interview we will anticipate your next question and provide you with me very much at home in this world in which world in the world of what let's show Apocrypha that is a perfect example of what I call that she was trolling right Getting people probably the one that propelled instantly bridge the one I was the one who I did at the White House and the press briefing room while you see the cameras are going on and I just went like this fucking with the left at the the best thing about that you're getting both sides to can't use that and then the right goes don't tell us it is our side and your the it's it's the Grand Marshal of Boston's upcoming straight pride parade the idea look if you can be proud of being a a AIDS ridden Chutney to be more haunt even say that and they walked straight into proving everybody's point right so this is this these are my people I deep frankish group they started burning man they started Santa Con it was just like let's just kind of luck with people's ideas of products yeah there's one guy would and that's what a fortune beautiful drove with that great hive mind of brilliantly funny and nihilistic seventeen year olds yeah seventy and they got written off where t shirts and putting up on college campuses it's okay to be white because the response that it produces the response that it produces makes the point have like a Santa cones kind of boring it got out of there out of the hands they do a marathon they'd just a guy up in a salmon and made them go against the marathon jump up and down Flimflam who looked from CONTO con they're Chutney Chutney punching on swallows isn't it UH anyway if you're allowed to be proud of child abuse I think I might be allowed to be a I call myself a gay ally of the straight pride movement clear. ACS became this weird thing where like my friends about Oh there you go what over as this thing to say I guess but I think it's tokenism what you do is it sexual and romantic architecture that has built Western civilization which is the nuclear family should be proud I got a kid it's a similar yeah that's an old joke from England never mentioned anyway so so they were looking for somebody younger and more handsome very craftily worded it nowhere cease and desist did it mention the phrase straight pride because his lawyers correctly intuited having Brad Pitt will not be associated with straight pride my actually Data always let the motherfucker burn because they all deserve it so that one of my favorite one though is when wind fortune decided they were going to I mean in tune with the heroics so I I said okay fine yeah it can't be anymore obvious this is not a hateful fuck gays thing if they are this hate group but it's I don't even know what the news CNN they say this is an organized hate group out of your fucking mind this is a bunch of teenagers some it's just me so have you seen that picture of little girls smoking while the house is on fire in the background so there's a house like emblazoned three story house blazing tobacco and this girl from Roggin the essay I wrote this morning that's into that is that is doing the rounds in conservative media circles is about to get videographers who did all kinds of awful thefts Jordan people drift in and out and sometimes things come out of it and sometimes they sing like stunts but shot there's no President Ashley Straight Pride Parade makes it clear that this is not a hater event but it is in fact specifically designed to laugh at them that's why they're so mad about it that's about it because up to it's okay to be white it is the amount of Whoopie Goldberg on the view saying how these people should not be allowed to express that's the joke made penalty bisexuals opposite of this like Cobb peace only outfit of the Gay Pride Parades you know the sneakers and like Oh we can't characterize us a hate group just think we're ridiculous and you're making us look stupid this cannot be allowed really so grit to happen during sure who's nine year old child is talking on the high street I can be proud I give you my proudest I came in taking a just a gay as they're fucking Marshall that the it's so clearly a joke right moral conundrums emerge you know these these Muslim parents in Britain who are withdrawing their kids from school because they don't want children to be an LGBT quality causes like Jesus what is offered from from the handmaid's tale except instead of being the left saying that this is the way that trump is pushing the country I want it to be all and I called them Chutney punching horn swallows and it's one of my favorite I take great pride in listening to you know I I said they were classic mounted by mountebanks support of of course in this particular circumstance you have to come down the side of the Muslims because you know I don't want my seven year old child learning about fistulas not thinking about perhaps the sultan of Brunei because that's that's quite a straight proud country only after international pressure did they roll back their new alienate him from some people who like him very elegantly written very clever was masterful and I give I get old you credit to sue grab it and run the law firm when you do that have you good time it's fun and what they like all authoritarians they cannot bear being laughed at and appointing me as the it's like you know I really want to do is say all the women don't bring Bras to burn bring your briefcases so into boone their briefcases and I want all the women to come dressed thank Allah that's so gay ally the straight Prime Minister I might might people might be allowed might they not to be a fan of the lesbians on the other hand could smash the shit out it doesn't really matter what it is the statements there so I don't think I think the only thing that remains outfit I just used you'll hear a short explanation of breath do you ever get trolled I do I've never been trolled no one's ever successfully told me this is the questions I'm trying to help I want to get through the end of this week over fucking the like for example after spend ah so we had Brad Pitt as the mascot and unfortunately due to a scheduling conflict and also SEC which was aren't really in communion with one another so it becomes a becomes a question of of emotional manipulation because reason doesn't work when these two belief systems don't it one funny celebration and then to when you get the reaction it's like Oh hell yes even my hand wanders down to my groin and I just excellent yeah truly excellent and just like you suggest stuff to the coffee inside somebody called on people show up with that wouldn't like for communicate with one another in a in a doesn't work we doesn't work so you have to appeal to people's emotions and feelings which is why the pro-life side of things is winning cricket to be honest that's the abortion where it's like they're so against each other around Mike you guys aren't really even discussing each other points pro-life pro-choice are not opposites uh of course he doesn't mean that got me I think maybe the subjects on which I'm vulnerable as abortion because I don't find it terribly funny right so I think about like you know like month eight abortions or something and I think that they might get me but no one's done it yet yeah is going to be some instances of me on camera getting like somewhat worked me up or something but I if honestly I can't remember an instance where I feel like I got because I don't take anything seriously angry about it a pushing people right words instead of leftwards I can't think of another example but these flesh colored three D models of babies in the womb mums can now see when they go for their tone which I find it difficult to laugh unusual that's your trigger unusual yeah everybody's got a thing where it's like that's just my thing for me for me it's killing kids which seems quite reasonable because it's a lot easier to convince people that killing kids is bad than women should be able to the children also interestingly this is one of the few areas I think in which advances in technology oops is speaking past one another I get it it is a woman's right to choose but is not exactly a contact to come from different value systems and these different value systems it's just a no show cells doctors are saying is that when when mothers see the this three D. flesh colored model they're just not aborting no matter what joke about it because in reflexively I'm like you don't want to be you're going to be that guy like my thing is no no I guess that also your in the world I'm sorry to say that I do struggle with my attraction to two men but I'm seeking to overcome it which is one of the reasons why I'm trying to persuade the organizers actually of straight pride in your unique you're both pro-life and you're both pro choice you're just applying it here yeah the yeah it's it's an insoluble problem because he's too months but alas why would never give a permit during prime month for this of course because pointed gays would go crazy not that they would actually do if what are they doing gay riot look like if somebody would have come really hard and fast about infanticide all you know like if somebody would have come at me than you have less than such humor about it strongly right and disgusting classes would be my other could be my other trigger would be you're snobbish nece here's one of your big trolls case assist how much how many photos of me taking in the ass by drug dealers do I have to post for you to stop saying the white nationalist MHM to allow me to do a live conversion therapy session

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Episode 416- Jamie Winehouse - Milo Yiannopoulos & Ari Shaffir

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Episode 416- Jamie Winehouse - Milo Yiannopoulos & Ari Shaffir

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He didn't save any money you saved the Louis late in prison shit. Shake the instructors that we, of course, David Smith is here. It's good to be here. And I really liked this new venue, that we move the podcast. All right. Yeah. It's, it's really it's super comfortable. I like it. And there's a whole observatory people can watch. They filled it up. Looks good. Joining us, of course you know, I'm in love and everybody I mean, an honorary scan at the end of the day, the proprietor, if you're fest, everyone joins us coming revenge. The revenge reckoning is upon us going hurt you. And of course, sitting with him the most controversial situation, I've ever been a part of, in twenty years of my career, and I am nothing short of impressed. Ring, and I ran a whole kiddie porn ring pump blood guilt. I'm kim. This was nothing. It was really good porn also worthless. They give me some time off for the artistic to something cinematography is flawless. Good point involving children, the idea what to do. Right. It wouldn't be born. No three year olds. Of course. Everyone voice Milo Yiannopoulos, everyone. Thank you for being here, despite the I thought that you sent it extremely reasonable requests of for a change of venue because of out crazy was getting well we didn't realize. Excuse me. Not diva request. No graciously suggesting was was kind of me that was a request request different your own wine glass. Just because I knew that I would have to drink out of styrofoam Filipino Cuba. I gave the restaurant over the road. Twenty can I take a wine glass, and I don't want to explain why just drink out of out of Stara foam for the next six hours. He's already stolen it. Never bought the salt shaker. What's nice nicely? Well educated person. No, no, no. I suggested a change of venue to save Hugh. Sure, probably a good idea. No, no. I'm not arguing. Book this with him. And we didn't know which regular guest. We're cool miles coming up. Flyer? Next Monday, I figured some people be upset some fucking shit. Yeah. But we didn't know just from booking. A gay guy. There'd be all these faggots online. I wanted to say, I can only say the response to the situation has been nothing short of gay. People have this huge misunderstanding that gay has something to do you have sex with, and it isn't just like to reeducate America because I know they're listening gay means crap or lame. If you want to suggest that somebody is having sex with the man, the correct phrase, but monkey or puncher. Puncher or you know aficionado if the chocolate stuff on guys. I just checked Webster's checks out. Check that I speak, only facts. No, no. No, no gay means lame or crap. Definitely a way it's used to mean solely that and it's it, but as soon as it said, you know, as funny in arguing with people are passed, you days, how much I've wanted to I've never being such a fag or something like that. Hold onto that word. I'm not calling I'm not making fun of you, because I think you have sex with many. I've never called the. The word faggot describing fag. It's a thousand times, you know. But it is funny. Great. Well funny. In both senses. I mean gay sex is funny. It's funny because you're doing it up the poop chute and you should be doing it in a nice inviting fragrant smelling vagina and you're not you're. What girls? Evidently, a better class of. You're only fuck me after a long jog. You don't want to have sex of the kind of who run. Yeah, right. No. Yeah. Better than me. Exactly. Getting into whole world of goop. Jay egg Maffia who don't want to have sex with women who have sex with the woman. By accident. Not because I thought it was a man, banana peel, male female twins. Fuck your on. What is this much wins, both y'all? Switch ruin. I have had a switcheroo. Would you sort of like show up to someone's apartment in the guys like forfeit to in Asian, and you're like that's? Four people on those. Fine. And then, and then Hof way through his light identical twin appears from below the bed and just okay, now I'm completely and totally. I've been completely taken advantage off. This is literally just rape those Phil. Okay. So go. Once you're ready getting, you're dick sucked. It's easier to go. All right. Fine. Isn't it isn't it? This is how so many people get themselves in trouble a boarding school. No. This women I've had sex with are now deceased. Oh, incidents. Killed them with his come. Immigrant Nazi come realize. People most of my life. And have sex with someone on death row. There's nothing nothing on God's earth. More tractive than the idea of having a just being taken by somebody has, like four days to live. It hasn't fucked in years. Cool. All right. Enough of the Nazi the whip. Overdose car accident and suicide dick. What? Involved in every single one. Really use it anyway. Window in the car accident. Body of mine that gets under any pressure during sex is my nose in the pillow, but. The problem with these women. Any other red blooded male? I was obviously attracted to damaged women because, you know, you y'all know how that is. Wonderful, so you were straight at this time it wasn't. No, no, no, no, no, no. But, but in that sort of in that in that, you know, there's a suit of perfunctory period in teenage years way, oh, you just sort of go through the motions because you're largely motivated by just having sex with whatever will have sex with you. I'm still going. Fucking. After that quickly, when you have cheekbones. The, the problem. The problem is that I went for these heavily damaged goals and, yeah, no one sort of probably shouldn't. But I don't really terribly mind because I mean she's dead, who has Jamie was ago who was a heroin addict, and had previously been, you know, band to ban to ban White House. Different. Someone else I can't remember her real name. What's your name? Shut up. Railing me. No. Just they just. Jamie Jamie wine. Hence the problem is I. I like to think of myself as somebody who coincidentally homosexual generally have much in common with, with other other gays. I find out the gays I'm bearable just awful to be around. You're gonna fit in around here. I just don't like them very much. You don't have a. Well, I've gained -ployees but don't friends. One of them's in here laughing. Like I don't mean it. Yeah. That one. Yeah, we're not friends. No. It just just I. What? What's wrong with the Veith fly? So awful, I gave up about forty eight to be here. They. First of all, they would never your friends in the first place. All you're better off without them. I like to think of myself as a sort of cleansing fire, you know, like anytime that I will encounter a person or put cost or masthead, or whatever all the people that say, oh, you. So has your life being an tell me, honestly, and give me the on est God answer has your has your life being enriched, or damaged by the people who've told you that never gonna speak to you again. And I have never heard anybody in good faith. Honestly, say life has not been immeasurably enriched. I agree all the people that are I've been blocked by people that are like dude, we have really relation. Are you are, you know, each other from the comedy walking me now? Like what the fuck is y'all over the cuts. You off. You just have this feeling like this, actually. When you want to break up with somebody, and you don't realize it, and you don't know it for like six months, and she's like he's working anymore. And in person you've course have to be like, oh, no inside. This feeling in there. You're Jamie here takes this heroin. You'll note, I've accomplished something great to great things release, if all of the press and drama and attention has happened around this show since it was announced that I was going to be on. You're welcome. Yeah. I agree. Are you really going through this weekend? Like we talked about this great show. Shrines. I mean. On the other end or something. Even trying to break through for years. Imagine that some wa- speech, gay knots would be. It would be the moment you finally crack came down from his castle in Yorkshire. Us. Marlow. Really? Best used to my boss accent, Jay's accent. Jay's British accents. Oh, that's great. Oh, tell jokes. Do I did. Stop. I've been doing it the entire show. And you know what the saddest thing is yours is the best. The closest no American should ever do. It's British ex it's you can't do it. I agree. I'm good. Do you do a good American? No, I mean I, I kind of do valley go. Maybe she'll come out later. I don't I just come on. She comes out when she comes out. Autism. Right. She may come out later. She may not promise you. She is her own woman, this why they want my own the show though, he's to charming guy. We're like, oh my keep going, please tell us about the Ethnos state. Joking of course from from sticking to you do not want it. And from researching best, God, the guy who guy who never has sex with white people. Why would I want to know state who wants an Aetna Aetna podcast? I mean maybe you go. Vacationing butthole break state. You mean no country, why would it? Why would it need a break? I just, you know. You go to a low. The Neo sporran were. GT light UT, penis me. Yeah. No, I'm definitely not open. No, no. I'm not. But I'm saying it hurts. Little bit. I'm not Gadol but I still wanted you to. Milo touch my shoulder before and I was like I like that. He he. Grab my arm. I was like. Gendron sexuality and the everyone likes to be touched by a ten. Just how it is. Fucking kill for. All the people who furious at us for having my low on they are ten times, more fury's kill themselves. They're looking for an offering the fact that it's already been established that Milo just going to be funny, along with us. And they're like, why aren't you grilling him about his Nazi views? Giving him. What is the thing that you said that makes you think that they that everyone, why is it that my people that I consider friends that will not speak to your sitting with me? First of all, I'm so glad we go. Dead goals. Well, you try to make it. No, no. Actually cares about lady. I hate that you've given her a better nickname. Okay. Let me I'm mystery for you. Nothing that you say specific do in any subject. There's no one utterance we're bred to believe that people kind of kill their careers because they he misspoke he made a joke. No. This only happens when somebody's already in the sights. Somebody's Joe, Joe Joe Rogan, for instance is one of the next big wants to fall. He's my buddy. I know he's your buddy and I don't happen to think it. I know it was one of the benefits of being. Hugely successful will reflect a huge successful popular and wealthy reflect is that you create deep lasting excellent. Interesting friendships with very, powerful people, which survive your alleged defenestration. So I happen to know who's coming up and I can see because I'm one of those people that has a consider see round corners quite effectively, in culture. One of the things makes for dangerous. He's one of the next on the chopping block, and they're going to come to come for him for enabling and giving it platform to the extreme right now Joe has legitimate. Joe? Right. Nor is it. He doesn't really well. He knows it can for for now. But I mean he has a lot of legitimately Alice friends, so not you, but. Legit? No, I'm just the person. I'm talking about successful people. I mean, people people whose name I'd heard before. And I'm just kidding Jewish guy from Rogan. Shafir. I totally thought he was someone else. Adam Schafer the original, host of man vs. I'm just kidding. Lovely, but he does have some legit A-List friends, and he's also represented by top rank talent agencies and the rest of it. This is all going to go away within the next six months. This is all happening within the next six months because he's going to be he's going to be presented as an issue, Persia pretentious, an example of somebody who is enabled will give them a platform to. All right. Whatever the fuck that is. So I happen to know who's in the crosshairs, because I know a lot of the people who orchestrate this stuff. And it also takes awhile. We heard about trees, but it's funded it's funded and orchestrated as soon as, as soon as the backup saying, I remember hearing about that Louis was going to get that Louis was gonna get written up like months before came out and. Jay. I don't want anyone comic coming big-name clean comic. That's coming. Don't do it. So you Cosby. Going down. You're stuck. So you haven't had this yet about him. You probably will in about two months, and then in about four months off that will happen now. The problem with, with with him is he's actually big enough and strong enough and famous enough and powerful enough to write it out. But he's chosen not to. And if you look at the. Well, look at look at the choice of guests in the last six months, I mean, the guy used to have, you know, me Gavin mcginnis an inch Hughes to have interesting people and now he's retreat just now. Well, now he just has you and. Go. Thank you. Exactly. He still has has been Shapiro and. And Jordan Peterson. These are the safest of the safe Jones Alex Jones, he just had on again. Cartoon character I love Alex, Alex personally and off Cameron on camera. Alex is the same personal the rest of it. But as far as the media's consented to cartoon character, which means that he's not as much, but do you know Mike? Do you know Michael malice? Yeah. Teachers had him on. I think he's a little bit more, not I'm sorry. We boring you face booze cruise. Yeah. You can have some wine. Let me feed you. This. Nazi juice in the hall. They're force force-feeding the alcohol. Republic over. Got him onto the train. What do you think let him to reduce just walked into the camp? No. Nasi gathering. It looks like spring break at fire island. With about. Body shots off our. Before before that little dribble. He was actually doing quite a good job. I was pouring more than it looked like this. Are you competent swallow? I'm a clean freak. So I want to get rid of anything miles flirting with Oreo right now before no, no. If I were going to have sexy, I'll rank have we? Okay. You should be all quite. Davis, one number one, obviously. No. You're wrong about that. Dating game. Puerto rican. Personality. Let me show a little pizzazz personnel. They're the only Hispanics are okay, because they're American point except the Cubans because they vote for us. Okay. So that, but. Or he does not co-sign the Puerto Rico. I get what you're saying, but spend some more time with him. We didn't we need to get we did Brian special treats today really quick. We also got Milo his. Is it is it Ricky whistle? Little Goja straight. Okay. Let me. Try somebody else that you might know Reggie Bush at your own intern. Oh, thank you. What are you serving milkshakes? Intern ruch. Intern Rukh, first of all, I had so much fucking body hair. Oh my God. You're beavers man. She's so much so much Asian beaver man might might is my surprise coming soon. Oh, that's not a bad milkshake. Here. I'll take a whack at you. Really? What can I try to villa? Yes. So are we supposed to each other work great? No anytime you need anything. You know, this is you want to smoke. You let me do that. He cannot smoke cigarettes here. Excuse me. Specify precisely. Why can't let me call my business partner? Lewis five seconds away from convincing, please. Claim fucking facial hair. Let me call. My low lick is visually. I don't care. Hey. Definitively not fine. If you call somebody then, of course, he's going to say, no true. If you ask for forgiveness later say, hey, we're smoking on. Do that. Do that do that to that to that. All smoking. Give me the phone. You ask Greek Milo Yannopoulos. Ralph sutton. Okay. Read is number. No, it doesn't say. Smoke it up. No answer somebody get my cigarettes, please than the Newport's obviously turns. Back here smoking I was really hoping. Please be professional. More options. Hi ralph. My name is Milo Yiannopoulos, and I'm guest on this week's was. I'm sorry. I'm guest on this week's leading of skanks. I'm smoking in the studio. Sorry about it but love you. Thanks. Callback. We both did. Their fire things. Hosting. They didn't put down. Always mad at you. He made him going to one hundred percents. Bobby's equipment and we can't add smoke around. All right. We can't guys what does that mean? We can't why don't we do this has stop up? Okay. I'm not vape everyone. Because I again in my life. Yeah. Cool of Sixers stop cigarette. Don't stop it. Bobby Bobby equipment that we can't smoke thing. You talking about. I'm made a nice joke, is used for fucking rock stuff. Lie. Just about to go down you guys smoke. Right hand, man. Raise a fucking. Well for Milo. Come on. Ralph. Yes. Antismoking. Well, yes, bought a vegetarian really more. Yes. I'm on his many books about the good. Good. Yeah, the racism, the anti semitism. The genocide blah, blah, blah, blah vegetarian is Hugo Boss. Outfits are overrated. They were fine, but they were not dramatic whatever dramatically better than other fascist regimes. All right. His real aesthetic accomplishment wasn't really his album. Spear who was the architect, who reimagined the rice thug, and who did the least list, you know, the cathedral of light. Three idiots. We're all nodding. Obvious. Spears cathedral. I'm actually on the next month. Show their Sunday night at. Yeah. Yes. Door deal. My walk with. Rubles. What if whatever gruesome origins led to this? I'll tell you, it, it'd be father and a mom, you hung out a Jewish mom hung out with pikers for some reason. No. That's makes perfect sense to me. Yeah. The whatever happened to you doesn't prevent you from going to a library. No all logging onto Amazon. Hey. Yourself about the fundamentals of history of western civilization. I, I saw a documentary was about the rock and roll parking lot. The decline of western civilization is about. Sounds like it fantastic. Playing this game where you gotta guess, like a building. Yes. Or no questions. He got down to. It's a publicly run building. Guess everything else except museum. Everything. Well. Favor. Remind me we are dumbest shit, which is Larry's, so we did a parody video of us because we're ever Hugh on. So they must be LA comics. But they found a clip of the legions gangs Miley, Annapolis episode yesterday. It's actually pretty funny. Of welcome to the leasing of skanks podcast. I'm Billy Ray. But do go with me is always big tanning to go and honcho the big man on. On the program day your controversial figures. So I gotta ask you something say the effort in front of your mom. Hold on my little before you answer that. Right. Does that mean you don't shit? In my head. Brought to get that picture out of my mind. Dude, hold up if I can give real first second homeless guy had tits. You answer that dude that literally the most messed up thing. What is wrong with your mind? We gotta move on. We're gonna go around the horn more shit. Choose. Okay. So ate too much candy last night, way too much candy in my mommy, spanked me in front of all my friends at the rainforest cafe. So I gotta ask, how awesome it is that your dad gets a fuck, your mom Milo? We gotta get to the big stuff. Google common electric, Akini picture printed out in Hyde Anita pillow, interrupt. I gotta plug my tour dates my head stuck in the sewer, great tonight and screaming, the F would into the sewer. That's my next show me, I'm gonna fall into the Hudson river and drink throw it up all over myself and splash around my own filth someone is paying me to do this. So that is technically a show at me while I'm not as much comedian as much as I am a guy who owns fingerless gloves. I gotta ask dick get grounded with no candy. Kind of. That's what they actually didn't hit me at all. Because they are unintelligent unfunny cowards. But they got you. Smash this. I'm not one to break rules order attention to myself, but since since around the cock you should know this about him. He lives owning little disobeying him, you, you use three described him as basically the fourth co host, and I can hear a dial tone. No look, I can hear. You described him as the fourth co host. And if he smoking than, yeah, if the only guest Joe Rogan two thousand twenty can get. Why are you back? Okay. All right. I mean to be rude to this charming, young man who's obviously doing way more than he should for the. Posssibility of a career in something. But. Stand up comedy. Flock, there's nothing. Yeah. You frankly, texting Ralph mell just let it. Do you know what you've reminded me texting you guys? Well. Phone thing. I didn't I didn't. Look. As this, you, I think we're invited to sort of Tempa me down with no worry. This mind. On twitter. How dare you allow him his hate speech unopposed? I know. I'm not talking. Excuse me. You're not required. Don't put that fucking shit covered finger. Oh. Dirty finger. Choker. He doesn't like it. No. To be honest with you. My husband is very he's a man finger Adamy. What? I know well enough to not even bother to try. So no, but, but maybe from some two thousand try wants and you went So he you're, you're the bottom of the relationship. I didn't listen to Jordan Peterson interview but I guess something that I picked up from the internet. Why we talk about. Coming on. Crazy. But I guess your husband has a check how we got into the venue trouble. You know, he's like oh, just thought it was a regular guest I at the call the guy. And I'm like, yeah. So you get the it's like inviting fucking Steve Bannon or something on the show. We couldn't do this. Yeah. I. Sure your people should warn me. Okay people how. More Lewis because. Because this is one of the rare occasions on which deigned to appear them something unpaid. I decided, I wouldn't bother to put it through my agent, and I would just have my, you know, idiot assistant deal with it really. Hey, everybody have great is this. We got Milo Yannopoulos coming on. I guess, one off, by the way, off to you scold him and tell him post the venue, anywhere, and then I suddenly notices thing going around to with the date the time and the place and I'm like, that's not happening. That looks. Saying give me the longitude latitude, so I can plan my missile. Mawr Soros-funded black bloc activists. Want to murder. Come on down for bike lock day. Legitimately get real death threats. I didn't realize we were Gavin on. We've had fucking owned Benjamin on, we've had Kumi on, but none of these people bring the type of fuckin- hysteria that you're bringing and BRAC. Yeah. We are you the number one rabble rouser right now? I'm Alex Jones who's up there. I'm very grateful for my department, you can find them at antifa NYC. They do. It's great. I don't even have to pay them, which is. I didn't have any money. No. I'm very grateful to my, my relations department who without whom I would be nothing. No, it's fine. I mean you know. Look, I don't hold it against you. And we had a wonderful resolution, but the way that the way that unraveled his, his, his thing, I'm not getting promise. No, I'm just we just having a discussion. Normally when I talk a guest on something so dry blue in this time. Own it fine. Pump filter. It was bad ass. Jimi hendrix. I thought he just got flight and really bad. Oh, you've set fire to it now. But I just normally what happens is that you can't allow this hate speech to go unopposed. We must have an alternative speaker so him for the amazing racist guy. Did more research? Racist. I looked you up the drill. Any gave me okay? Here's what happened because we and it was I was being sarcastic. I said, all right. You are not together. She Milo, we have super jewelry, EC. You can't. So much stuff than I ever had not even close. He's closely. I was I was being sarcastic. I was in my fans and the fans of the show understand. Yeah. From your perspective. They're saying. Okay. No excuse anyone could read anything any tone, and you thought that I was legitimately bring somebody on to counteract a lot of. In because I looked him up. I was like, okay lots of Joe Rogan appearances so compu- completely insane or awesome. Because he doesn't have anyone in anymore. Have you spoke to him if you are you friends with you? I've been on twice and I speak to him infrequently, but the thing about him. But the, the problem with him is he's always friends and this, this, this high-powered representation his guests choices go so much safer recently because he's been warned well, unfortunately, it's not going to save him and the tragedy of Joe Rogan is big enough, and powerful enough and popular enough. It could ride this out, and he could make make an enormous and significant powerful denting culture by saying, I gave a shit, which is. Which is. That's what he's doing. What are you going to mind, what he's doing what by? Hopelessly safe people know you had Louis on a month ago. He was in. You guys on. Safe, and how safe you were. Show. You're not talk like you talk here. Fucking cut it up. Putting in a cigarette. How come? Skates Rogan you fucking. Thank you. No gays. Baggage. Jokes. It takes strength and courage and fortitude and Bill an ability. It takes an ability to withstand pain to be gang. These guys were faggots. Rogan time's take some kind of giant gigantic African American appendage honesty, that takes courage and ability to withstand pain, y'all. On the other hand, very disappointed, and do it. Why is wrong with you kinda like pretty big? Tap it in also also, there was a couple of times, Joe, also I made a couple off color jokes. I did it myself. You wouldn't lesion of skanks, you Alesina fag. Jerry. Traits. Joe Rogan the first went on Rogan I made like two or three like off color jokes. And for whatever reason those were three two or three things that he took that he went like, I don't know. What do you mean by that? Joking. Joking. Don't because, you know, you're, you're well. Well, not funny, but. You have your moments. Jay he's trying to flex right now. Hard. And I'm like. Flex when he did it say, El Al everybody just health of Fags, who shit. So kind of good. Good luck on flex. And then do flex. And now I'll know. Oh, yeah. So do non-flight this arm, though. Admi left. My left is useless treated like a polio. I don't I don't know how to flex it. My brain does not tell my arm. The other on you'd think. Right. I know. Yeah. I mean, science would. But I can't for some reason, I'll be generous non flex all. No. Regul- fuck and ham hawk right there. Little onto the arm. Sweating for sure. It'd be attack with milkshakes. Maybe so horny angry. How do you feel they'll just be like chocolate me, my lump lose? It loses flex you? Gotta grab it. Thank you. Your biceps. Thank you. Your biceps. Stay by ship stink. The only pretty great. No shit. You think you're going to be to get away with that. No sent here don't flex. I don't flex verse. Okay. Come on. You lose the only thing about them. Relax feel the fat field. Really happy. Relationship it to me. And I still Peter. Much better than you. Oh, yeah. All right now, kissing contest. Pissing. Contest though. Is aggressive. He goes to too much tongue. I don't wanna touch anybody here in an intimate way question Milo. We asked to every guest when you masturbate. Sometimes you never masturbate. I'm catholic. Oh. I wake up next to an underwear model. Why would I masturbate in your life ever faster though? Sometimes I just don't wanna fuck. Here's your significant other. Sometimes you want just fantasize about. Mother walked teenager. Nothing. Of course. That's never happened. You can go back to your teen years. Lewis would like. Okay. Then you can also the question up to a not, including when you have masturbated in your life. I I've asked sorry, this insures was have you ever gotten so into the fantasy that you open mouth kissed the air. No, there's no way they will say, yes. J don't lead the fucking witness. That's the most peculiar fucked up thing. I've ever heard obviously know, for sure have yes, say. Israeli sixteen. Person the world. Even once or twice. If you if you mess debate face down, it's quite difficult to. Face down. The bed when you were little. Open. I mean you know, say after put two pillars and another pillow and just high was so on board with being disgusted by Louis make out with the air thing. But you're humping the bed thing is way worse fuck into the bed. So you put your dick up on your stomach, what? Yeah. Your own stomach. Your ticket your stomach. Your stomach is the top of the Posey. The bed is the bottom of the pussy, and they Sam what your huge Posey, exactly. Yes. Better, fewer uncircumcised. Hey, I didn't I couldn't do both ways. Way to go. Okay. Hey, you played your cards. No answer is no, that's demented and weird. I want those guys that do the impression allegiance. Thanks do their own podcast every week. Subscribe, listen it was fucking best. Guy owns fingerless gloves. Better tit too far. Come on. That's a pretty good question. There's a lot of discussion be have around the horn. Really quickly. We got a lot going on today. We're just starting the show. It's just that we just let him answer any question. Dead girls, locate, we gotta get to okay we're getting to those escape this. No. Tell us about one of those obviously murdered. Because you're trying to avoid the, the reason I have stayed gays. The I don't want to be responsible for the body count. The only three women, I have had sex with all ended up dead. Like a line, but it isn't number two car accident. We all believe you. Right. What happened with the other? Feels like. I have to go. Outside hard to sit there. What do you got mad at Ralph for, for letting women shoot their bodily liquids? I support the engine. Why do you smoke? These the American Indian. They work for the good from the reservation. From this reservation like a cigarette in Britain and it's made from the offcuts of everything else, you know, like in the factor, they just sweep the floor dogs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They sweep everything up and put it in put it into a tube and call it Silk Cut. I think that's American spirit. Probably yeah. You can't get cancer. Yeah. And he's and he's my favorite scientists you get addicted. No, I smoke these really out of habit because when I was dating I just wanted to be able to. Jatta cigarette. Black dick. The only way people walking into the new force. I have to have to what do you call? Dishwashing liquid I have to put that on cookies and put it in ziplock, and shake it around Fitch them out of the trash, you know. No, I, I am just a fat white gold. Okay, I'll hold up. If you like sex, and what motherfucker don't you'll like blue dot com. Blue office performance enhancement, for the bedroom, and wouldn't you like to last longer and go extra rounds the blue dot com? You can get the first Shula bulls, but the same active ingredients as Viagra and Silas chewables foster than pills, and they can work up to twice forced useful. 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It's just a function of do give them the cock of the nuclear, I would imagine. The experiences were even more dreadful for them. They were for me out of the suicide, the car accident, and the overdose who was the most you're like good riddance. Would it be awesome? If the suicide walked in front of the car. Because the other overdose. The other one. I don't take the loss of life lightly. Okay. We'll in that case you're in luck they're all here tonight. This is your life. No, I don't take it. I don't take it lightly, but I it is true. And I haven't, I think that, that's a major factor in me becoming. Sexual didn't hurt though, probably didn't. 'cause you're very gay. We were you always like. No, I'm not very you're. Your. Yeah, you're at ten ten. Fuck would it help? If I said, hold on this. Better. He whine. Gear. And just like let's can we can we always. And if I if I stopped using straws. Without getting things on your lovely. Show. Flicking. He really is. Ultimate milton. What is what is this? Okay, so daily game you can choose any three questions. The concept of the game here. Date tour of glosses my sister, because you get my office. That was a bad. Small, and it was all New Zealand. Spectacles? Want me glasses? Do I did get me spectacle? Can be focused from the Jim. No jacket. I said, no fucking jacket. Do you wanna make your fucking Schiff? You wanna make your booking travel today? Take your jacket off. Okay, every time he's in. I want to hear that music have so much. Off. Luke looks even care or with the jacket Luke have the same size breath on my body. All right. Right for him girl. What are you normally? What is your role? I don't see race except in the glasses. There you go. What what, what do you do here? Very she was a friend. So how did how did you get roped into appearing naked for this? He paid us. Lewis calls me and just said, would you mind being in phone? It was turned down. Hey, looking person we've ever met in our lives. No, no, no, no. I've been at twinkie and you are twinkie than I ever was. Can we see your buck Luke? Let's see. Milo, does that do anything for, you know. Only because the but I know you were clinching but it was still good. Are you in the bud? Do you ever go with another? But. What would be the point? It's just like blues bouncing book. Fairly easy. Stick it up the ass complicated about the same zen. I've been trying to name a new gay sex move to guys scissor and their Dicks like go together up like that. And then one guy sits on both Dick's and I call it nine eleven then the word Cohen, the fall of the towers. We should make our own book of gay sex, moves the comma do DRA. Just like that at all. Realize whether show hasn't taken off you'll see tomorrow, we're gonna be huge. You're welcome. Repainting my grandmother's husband. See scum go home, and you're like Jewish grandmothers door. What's happened my great aunt, which is hitting the head of the bike lock, but on poor them of all holidays. Welcome in life. No, I think the spray paint Jews houses, thank you. Yes. I should go home. It is hilarious. I will say this, if not a legitimate Nazi. Walk in right now. The guy was swatting attach your fucking Jew. Friends. This should be in another right now. I probably punch him. I mean like we. How'd you get in here? I want the right again. I just know no one's reading sarcasm at all. But when they put that up there, it was like they posted Nazis. Go home. I. Oh, yeah. Agreed right like fine. Yeah. Of course, something we can we'll get. Dan, my nose down the deck. All out of. Right. Oh man Shylock's and such. Choose. Look for. On looking at outside, jogging. Hit Ari Ari St. down on him. It's killing me, killing me Rebecca anything going on. Nothing. Acri. Nobody protested. It was probably that you're coming. Probably it was probably the awesome of statement. They went out on the com-, which was telling when you should've just well. I said. Well, we didn't want to show. Maybe has their own agendas. I've said you got a great idea this guy fucking gets it. Why did you say anything you should just let them show us the whole, 'cause I don't want him to destroy Rebecca's? Nothing shows up. No. I mean they were gonna but it doesn't matter insurance, be the best. The best marketing. Down to cave. Trending on Twitter, New York on Friday and I sent her a screen shot of it was like. Trending. Number. Somebody's so published because I I'm number one in affirs Centric made evil. Doc is New York. Everybody gets the number one bestseller tag on Amazon. It's like. This moment I thought we were training. I thought that was trending nationally shooting in New York. Trending in New York. Well, great congratulations, choose day. Vania. It's New York. That's decent creek. We were also trading also trending in Duluth you. It's been a long day. Twitter. They work been Trendall. Yeah. What's with the tic-tac-toe sign? Right. Has. Zayn hot fashioned, tag Fash tag. It's called the Fash tack. Fash Dougie, wait a minute. Well. You're in the middle going this Nazi, this, the fish tank. So, basically, what they killed her family. They did pretty good. Happy about that. Jewish approach to things. I see. So. No, no, no, no, no, no. Every once in a while. Meaning every couple of weeks. Mischievous people on the internet Troy to convince the idiot, press that some new symbol is the new underground supremacists. Oh. Three pointers. Basketball three point because mostly the white guys outside shooters. But that doesn't really mean meeting wrong. Can you picture up again? It's a, it's a again, I would call that the flash tag because it looks like the flashes uniform. Anybody anybody in the room at all tech simply what is what is this gets? Okay. So in the for instance in, in the run-up to the last election, some friends, and I decided that it'd be funny to try to convince CNN. The okay, sign was a white supremacist symbol. We invented. Fucking. The reason they show up outside studios when I. We decided that we would try to we would try to convince people, this is a white Palestine is the w there's a PD. So hold on. That's not a white power. So we. That every black passes me by well, could you want to know you're a okay with? How did you get it going? Well, see start seating it on fortune h. You know, then sending it privately you send enormously to journalists and you just hope for the best and the best of west comes. So hopefully. We just invented. This is the White House and in studies of me doing this at the White House. Behind the podium in the briefing room in the White House press. I'm like. And then a bunch of my friends doing it, and we persuaded CNN out of nowhere of nothing that this was a so because this was so successful. Now, other people have taken this own. So this new Fash tag, the. Right. So they quick. I'm sorry. Sorry, ass on our table. Yes. Idea. I didn't know either. Is that a known thing that I did? Yeah. I mean, probably eighteen hundred people here. Listeners will be shot. Bits off to that other people have started doing the same thing. So the new Fash tag, the idea is that it's to ages together the hash tags. Of course Hitler. Someone's a step ahead of me. So anyway, the idea is this is this Hitler. So there's a bunch of them. What was the last one before this? Three eleven Nazis because three. Alphabet. Hey. The frog. But all this stuff guest, invented by me, or my friends, will or kind of Milia the university, which we exist, just as fuck with the press. Right. When you begin to understand how humiliated we have made them up to an including the election of Donald Trump, which was sort of Memed in willed into existence by about seven of us. It's like you know, it's like me Steve Bannon and Coulter, and maybe five other people may Donald Trump president, and it's like, shh. Okay. Let's have some fun. Stephen, wires you go. And he's like, why don't you do the whole free speech on campus thing? And I'm like, okay, whatever. So we just spent two million waiting the American right? This is the biggest issue. Everybody has the everyone every Republican the country's main campus and I'm like dude, like made up in a four seasons over cognac. So. The whole fucking Republican platform now, like okay, okay. Move on. So you wanted to get Donald Trump to become president as like a joke on the fucking like how. You believe his absolute politics, absolutely necessary for the country and a million different ways. But I mean, the was was not was an unhappy secondary. Come. Consideration that Spacey's people talk about him being Memed into office, and he wants because the primary way that. So if you listen to an Coulter, who's a friend of mine, I love her. She will say that people voted for Trump economically because they care about the border, you know. You know, maybe that's part of it for some voters. But for me, this was the first cultural action, it was, like I at action since Buchanan, that was cultural, people voted for Trump for two reasons, one, they absolutely hated the people who aided him the people who've been quoting Vaneau, boo. All normal. Well adjusted people think they're crazy. Right. So all I need to do in college campuses, China liked on them. Which I did. And the second thing when you're dealing with nineteen year old hysterical feminist who but it wasn't just nineteen year olds I go nineteen year old all the way up to Simon and Schuster to do it. I got everybody made the whole country, go insane. But the second the second part of it was was Trump embodies in a way that perhaps no president has for maybe since Reagan and before the heroic, masculine virtues. And by by that, I mean, courage strength indefatigable ity. This is going on. I'm rich fuck models. I don't care. I was wondering what I was wondering pipe up. I wanna see you almost taking credit for that seems like self grandiose yet above the reaction. You get to argue. It's, it's affective history. I don't need to complement myself and I can call myself. I'm agreeing with you sing. It sounds seeing the reaction you're getting so it's like to argue it when I say I don't. When I say, I I I'm happy complementing myself, but I don't need to sit step outside the facts in doing so. Right. 'cause I had billionaires behind me. I had a huge amount of money, and I was able to just run riot and do whatever he wanted, and it had an enormous affect who were the billion so Kanju Westwood he knows that what he can Google it. But, but. But I'm between billionaires. The second thing that people. Is there like j what is this, this nobody for like, you know, lost cultural icon seeking new? Dating. So. Adrift you walk Joe bar right now. And not be harassed. No. We were pulling out pulling up and her fucking regular color. This is my natural color. Oh, christ. Here we go. Milo, spray painting, t shirt. No, no, it's not Milo is the ice hotline. If you want to report illegal immigrants really. Three four seven navy. Didn't get you in trouble before you are now. Eight six six three four seven two four two three that's eight six six. All right. I'm really bad at reading upside down eight six six three four seven two four two three. Call. If you think somebody living in your neighborhood, maybe there illegally. You've reminded me actually if something I need to do. Yeah. Taken away. Alone. Papers are good. Luke show me your Luca Tokyo papers. Your sexy song. Oh, chick out fucking chicken of green card? How? You can you can move this. Dance someone has the wave moving. No. You know, there's a horror story that I will share with you. I think I think you said to one of my opinions of his face over here yesterday. I had no idea before this, what these people really go through. I'm like, well right wing normal center. Right. Reasonable respectable like high share the same opinions about sixty million Americans. On top of that gay on top of that massive not fact. Don't call me a fag because what you do on Joe Rogan. Puncture, you, y'all Fags. Fucking put back down. Completely. Right. Sat there. I. Studio. You have we pick your wear wolf. Let me hold the sword. Crossbows, Mr. drawer. Are you making jokes about what you did? Difference between us is I will suck any cook becomes across me. U-3 only one Kach, and that is Mr Jove. You gotta climb right? Damn shame. This. You. You. He's crying. Underwhelming. Always crying with laughter. Why didn't they bring it? For one reason, and one reason, bring the heat. Legion of. I mean, we were we were outside smoking joy for seven conversations like skilling there. Fucking fuck leisure. Skaggs, bro, really say that I'm sure. Embarrass us bash yourselves. You embarrassed America bad, but we're back big time. Whatever feel about announcing that was even happening. I was having such a good time. I lost my thread. What was that, Jamie? White house. No. Right. When people getting a lot of shit, and no. It's gone. It's finding them might. Oh, yes. No wait. Yes. It's back. So still gotta Rados. Eighty game from the other. No. So I'm I rent nice townhouse in Miami's like five thousand a month, but it's because it's Miami's tiny and the first year goes fine. But then something happens and the land lost being difficult after about a year into a two year tenancy, and I, of course, being sneaky in and whatever I saw looking her up and it turns out, she's a Venezuelan, lesbian immigrant, who has all these, like, Fook Trump and LGBT things in her Facebook profile because obviously, I looked her up because I was like what's going on? Three months before the end of the tendency. She falls, an vixen action, and I'm like, oh, held. So I decided to oversee fucked the bitch up. No, no reason just doesn't like you. And completely spurious. I'm like getting what bitch you wanna try to make life difficult? I'm gonna machine gun you unit death, which is exactly what I did taken out of context killed her also Lewis doesn't let me. Spurious for four fucking forty seconds. Let me. Time clarify I meant in a legal sense. I would experience means here. JD no experience met. Yeah. Oxbridge. That is the best. Came furred. You see let yourself. To make that joke. Anyway. So I have gone through this, like, seven months hell was hell hell for her and for me. She, she basically started screwing up in court because she's I don't know if any of you ever been to or lived in south Florida or the Miami. No, I know you've been to cool, but south Florida basically, is like now like Latin America. I mean, you know, given the unfortunate fury about this show. I don't want to say anything. Interpreters racially charged garbage. Say pit bulls music. Sounds like one song. Homer. We have episodes at a row, coding part one negative, don't worry, what we're going to say on this show. Those. Those those are good ones for anyone listening to you don't necessarily need to obscene negative part. True, by the way, you write about how some well endowed African American men have find it difficult to maintain really rigid. Erections time you're right about that. By the way, I think it was last week or something, not that I listen regularly, but because I don't have -solutely. Absolutely not. Talk to hold it. But I know this is the thing it's difficult. And so this is out of team. No, I get into a lot of trouble with fellow right wingers about my support for reparations. And they've said, what, why would you support that? It's obviously insane. I just want them all to have. Silence. No. And good schools, and good schools. You're getting dangerous, but mostly salis. Anyway, tell my girlfriend makes you feel good about my dick. She goes, yo big huge Dicks like they have a hard time. Staying hard on my can't right? That was a compliment. No. It was a super good complement. Right. You said it was you said it was was. She did. She mean to say that you're doing well based on all of the other big dixies head. Yeah. How many other big Dicks is you had hundred. Bucket drink. Oh comparing you to to in Christ on the cross. No one knows I've only had sex, one, other guy from Dr. She has his bed on that. So. Sausage? Dan, Accardo this point. No snapback. I'll tell you what really amazing. Eagles houses me. Nice. This is interesting because all I've always been described as tight and I'm like. How? Are you never the top? Previous entanglement like he just he wants let you know, just after the initial entry, and it was like, you know, sort of snug and he was like, if you've been faithful. No, baby. My best friend. He said his boyfriend at the time was like, he knew cheating all time, but he was like, could you please? Just don't give me aids. And he goes, I can't promise. I want. I want. Attention in weight loss. Your bug. Jason that's, that's a whole subculture in big cities. Sitcom bug. God, it's basically an invention of the media. But there are couple of people like it at once I'm sure it's Norton numbers once. It's an invention of the media. Okay. Dave. You are so much funnier than the show. For years, and you sit there, and you're so quiet. And then every every like, you know, every like fifteen minutes you'll commit somebody's actually genuinely amusing. We'll just get lost in the in the testosterone. Malaysian Q Milo for recognizing it. You've probably thought that you're, you're like US p was was being good looking, and it's like, well, but actually, your funny, he's not going to break up. Do it. Belong. Spilled a drink cigarette. I wanna I wanna be I wanna be your Yoko part. You are my John Lynch. With even the nude. Milo laying there and the rescue. Who's this? My landlord because this really good throw. Yeah. So anyway, about this, what you're saying. The power you had to make white power fake thing nationally against one fucking dumb Venezuela, chick in Miami. Got nothing to do with the okay hen sign. All right. You're going to have the ability to make that happen. And you're gonna put effort into. Oh, I see taking that, well, the to that is, yes, so, but, but listen to Mogo she fucking started it the bitch. She's like, oh, the some hateful white supremacist, blah, blah, blah, blah, Trump. So she falls, this spurious. Thank. Spirits. Every time I say, spurious you have to drink. Milkshake drain drag on your illicit cigarettes. Now sitting around shake does not really taste. Very good. So we go through this whole thing. And so eventually, the final the trial happened like last week, and I figure typically metaphorically I'd just like to point out machine gun the bitch to death. She came she was the reason I was asking about Miami's lazy entitled stupider and immigrant late. Try to do anything to rent a car tried to get something photocopied try to overnight. Fedex something in Miami, your count, right. You cannot get business down there things that would take twenty minutes and you'll take an hour and a half and what your theory, and whether it is Spanish people. Let the man. Let me let me explain. It's the race. It's the culture. You know, you import the book cultures you get third world behavior. You know what I'm saying? You can run fucking convenience store or the boombox. What do you think? They don't have it together enough run a stall, because they wouldn't fuck and reorder the things in time the shows would be empty. There. So they all take your that they take their ill-gotten gains in venoms from Venezuela. And they bring over the they invest in was probably anyway. This bitch. Tries and fails, the judge throws out instantly tries and fails me. And then it becomes a question of who owes who money because she's trying to say, like LA, so this is typical example of the way that lazy Latin American culture, will. What's out this is what the left has a problem with? Problem with this. You try living in Miami for one. One week. Walked will hate China. Up for fucking thirty minutes. Leave me alone. One is everything smell like this. China. And the first thing you see is donkey on the street being sliced up and fried on the street. Dollar while riding it's still brand. Like the moment that you were like this is what the left's going to be furious about, I was like, finally myla's getting going. All right. What do we got? One of these lazy spics doing team. Isla. It's not about racist about culture. Yeah. This Lisi colts. Switch to race. Why don't you white like Lewis? You come from this culture in Venezuela, where it's okay to be white. All right. Well, you're in Miami now, I don't care what someone skin is I just want them to show up when they say they're gonna show up. They say I want them to get into listen. Do you know how difficult is living somewhere where you all force, we oh, hell to get Uber Lux? Because I mean, not that I would get anything I was anyway. But if you because if you do get into ex you're thrown out the cab because you don't speak Spanish. Is a daily reality that you put the address into the they don't understand street signs true gangs on. I've actually brought several times and had problems. I go, I don't if somebody's here, an immigrants here, working I have no problem. Definitely definitely. Learn English and I have a problem, I think those now I know of these jobs, they can get. But I don't understand why someone who has a hard time with the language is on like drive through microphone. I've never. John. New Jersey and for all of New Jersey's Foltz live now right in New Jersey is whatever but New Jersey drive through McDonald's. It's like okay. Okay. And you and your orders. Correct us. Years. Yeah. I'd like Big Mac meal? That's number one. Baby in the back. One thing wrong. Didn't nail and fairness, whatever you order wooing Toby. No. Tell you what. Son of a bitch beans. I know it sounds bad. But if you drive from, if you drive from, for instance, if you drive from Palm Beach down to Miami, the experience that you get. No, no, no Venezuela this, so dramatically different. It's social America. First of all, I mean I lived on a tour bus when I I lived here. So I saw everything and everywhere and. Strangers. Sorry. Skaggs today. Sorry, mr. What did you say it wasn't a tour bus? It was a greyhound bus just like the fuck lot. Push your fear. The joke, and then it was over puckered heart there. He Rogan again. Cuck first of all, I've seen him have gay sex, put that on the record. All right. Joe? Poem tight on our. Both times, witnesses have gay sex, and weird was some sort of luminosity orgy. It was Dana white was there. People data's wait, he knows story checks out, because I did that secure my cancer. If you've previously listened to advert assessments on this show and. Allow me to introduce my British accent consideration. 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So I get. No, you see my cleaner was Honduran and she was here legally. Let's find him because in the infinite grace, majesty generous to the United States off to the great Honduran metro disaster, OSA generation ago now, United States basically said, if your whole Jew, and you want to come to the United States, common in this extrordinary thing, and it was a whole generation of Durance just given your pro that resident know given residency and. Follower, bouncing ball, residency and permits in perpetuity. And Trump was like. Anyway. So I so she hires a lawyer, who I speak to on the phone, and he's like he doesn't quite say she's impossible. We didn't wanna break privilege, but he goes all the way up to saying, I get documents out of her. I can't get a straight, what out of her. She's given three different names and six different addresses and every time he's she's also question. She says something different, and he's like can't take this into court with me. So I'm on the phone with her lawyer for like two hours. And I basically get him to fire her. So the next day he fought his paper and says irreconcilable differences, I represent anymore. She wants to lose lose horribly Boba. I get a tip off thereafter after this malicious illegal retaliatory eviction attempt, which could have really serious attempts really serious consequences, for instance on my credit. I've only been in this country to drive. I got an vixen order my credit, it could go with me for seven years, I I'm like, oh, hell no bitch. So. Convey here vaping as all hell relig-, you smoke your fucking Newport's mile because they're an actual real cigarette. We not the smoke twenty week or you high high high with us Milo Wiberg says the Cavero smoke uppers person cannot anyway. So I get this tip off. She's no in the country legally and I'm like, oh my God. Only in, in Venezuela being the status and if you have money and you Venezuela in the US that means you would take legal action. Right. So she's coming, she's embezzled, or robes basically Venezuelan poor people because she's been somehow connects to something of their money. And these people now like can't afford a wheelbarrow to carry the pile of cash that it takes to buy a cucumber. And she's, and she's remember that story from the WJR Republic right, where people would like tipping because because the inflation was so incredible. All right. Only two supervisor following the Jews. We were doing going. So, so people will these wheelbarrows of money because the hyperinflation deutschmark where people would like taking wheelbarrows full of dollar Bill. Bills deutschmarks to the to the supermarket, and they would come outside and find that the cash had been left there, but the wheelbarrow hoods been stolen because it was worth more Jews were doing pretty good on my right? Hell yet to kill. Why do you think we started the second? Claim his gymnasts another anything else. But. Anyway. She's obviously been some connected to some kind of whatever I get a tip off three days after her lawyer has dumped her as a client, and I'm like these things can be completely. Unconnected letting me know that she's in the country illegally. So not only is she like, in the country legally, but she's also trying to like destroy the lives of people. She just agreed with politically the ball. With over prophecy, the money from. Which is obviously from anyway, so the ice hotline and I. I thought I might ring them. Well, yeah, I'll be here what they had to say. Right now. Ritter. Shoe for two. Barbie. This is the time you're reporting her. No. I would love this report an illegal immigrant, you'll be quiet because. Go. I mean it. Dangle nine one one to tell you. That's kind of funny. I can't hear the options. W I. The I E N kids. New or. Monk. Numero. Vanish option to report them. He's family feuds. One. If you are calling to provide a tip or information to an existing report press two for gentlemen, summation of the. Is for reporting suspected crimes and violations of United States was man, we should have done this at the creek. Investigations is the investigative division of immigration and customs enforcement on. An agency within the department of homeland security to buttons with him getting. Yeah. M Y. Voice over was done. This voice in LA actress, really reacted sassy gay. Be recorded. Eight false report is time violators navy prosecuted. Options and the next available analyst take your old times vary. Hard when she thirty five. Minutes. Just one person who has engaged in a project marriage for the purpose of. Be quiet zero. Zero over. Two American serta's. Agents operator. Human. All right. I'm gonna go outside and do it. No, you're then be quiet, quiet. While you're on hold the whole time. Jason. If you're watching this, and you feel lightning reporting, your local illegal, please call. How do you feel about people seeking to four to three? How do you people seeking asylum for something terrible it to the wall? Runs the country because they're being beaten the and the laws of their own place. Escaping a beat down. Yeah. How about this mom? It's carpool and she's playing fucking classic. Some normal, your Baresi me. Government. But if they're afraid they're. Say. Escaping a beat down. If someone escapes, the fucking Congo of being like costly. Right to come here. I could see them fighting someone fighting for them to stay here. People ask for side him on the southern border as they are aids written transexual. In Tijuana, telling me. Those people they wanna free apartment in San Francisco. Like I get it. But no do you get a free apartment San Francisco for being illegal immigrant. Probably if you're aids ridden or all. Oh man. That's like their whole thing. It's so expensive there. Now. It's one of the most expensive. It's the most expensive. This is really pleasant whole busy for deportation. Reporting, someone who's going to be deported. They have way worse. Hope music this, you really should just like fuck in the. Catapult. This motherfucker one hundred thousand dollars for the two years that we were living in that house, and the bitch, try to have any victims. You didn't. Let my politics and she's bullshit. I'm with you. I'm with this particular story, a weird segment on a podcast though, Milo. It's a whole bunch. Let your assistant hold it. When it gets really come back, bringing in Russia in Russia is okay. Leaks today. What is that? Salia. She's a rapper and she the nudes she was fastening. She was fascinating. Fuck three were they hot checks. I bet they were hot. Yeah. The cream heroin chic, you know, sort of like somewhere between Scott Weiland actual Amy wine house, and, like what's that skinny beer, skin? No. This skin. Yeah. Like somewhere between some of them are K moss. And the other one was more like anyone else. So. Yeah, Milo, we've already come up with other on. Hello. Hello. I'm so sorry. Yeah, yes. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm actually just cooling to make a report, if that's possible. I was so I had a landlord in Miami and Florida who attempted to illegally, evict me. And it was later brought to my attention by couple of people who know her that she is in the country illegally. And so we just we just actually had the court case rule in our favor. Of course. And, and, and the woman in question is, is a Venezuelan national who, who shouldn't be in the United States? So I was just wondering if, if I could make a report. So I have some friends that noise I was just wanting to make a report. Okay. So she's given about three different names to the court. So I'm going to give you this. I'm going to step up to do this. She's, she's given about three different names to the court. The concerto Smith Maria can cheat along famous people to Jennifer Lopez. Doc. It was ready with a legal thing. It was like, hey, stop kidding covered there. The, my mild bleeding heart is still on the Buderus. Right. L. I don't understand how we got to this part of the podcast. Why did decide to do this phone call? I'm not quite sure at all planning it. I Milo smart he gets what he's doing tomorrow. He having to say that I was looking one. About it. And so he went ahead to go outside and do this other thing we're going to go along because we have bad as metal the dating game. And we also have who's most justified in saying the N word one of our brand new segments on the show. We have got new editions editions. That's so great. And we also do a show every week. We don't have to get everything tonight. Jay. What would you even? Like that. What was negative at that at all said, we don't get everything will be fine. Why do you hate Hispanics? All right. I get what you're saying. You want them all this country. All right. Can we do a we're we're an hour and a half into this show? Okay. Go pretty well on great guy, the guy's awesome. He's a nice guy. Does he seem a little get definitely? That completely. Well, it's funny, you know. Quarters of the way through so far I I've no problems with him. But isn't that exactly what Nazi would want you to think how they get, you know, I was going to somebody comes back, but I think it's interesting and you know, this from my, my, my ex mother in law, religion who's an immigrant, ex mother in law, actually is taking me, a second to think about who's your here. Okay. She's still your mother-in-law get a got here. Yeah. That's. Hole. That's. Smiling. Smiley dying inside. My ex mother in law. Making Ari laugh. She's here legally a lot of legal immigrants. Enjoy this. Doing it for you. Now, this is real. This is completely real most legal immigrants. It's comfortable. Comfortable. Oh shit, Milo. Give some type of drug so we can fuck. Feet ari? Most legal immigrants, not fucking like. Ahmad guys, I'm trying. I know for a half hour I feel like this is going to be the ones. And go, okay, more mostly do not like tacos. I would say question, because they're not all from there focus comedic genius. Because when we went, okay, this is the one you're gonna go. I know there's no chance. The only funny thing to do to interrupt. Yeah. New head to. I'm not gonna walk into this trap door. Took charge. We're supposed to positions charge. We're supposed to hate my low. What was it that he did? That was so bad that we're supposed to hate him for think he raped a boy. The point. He's just keeps the conversation going jokes. And people can get. I mean, people are very quick to assign him things that other people did. Well, I asked I asked Beethoven hailing Hiller. What is your thing is that he said, what is the thing that he said that was so crazy? I wanna know legitimately tell me that I also posted a thing I was like, please come. Let me know why I'm wrong to book Milo come in the realize podcast and break it down for me. There's none, even nobody gives me an answer. They keep saying he's a Nazi to fucking Nazi, bro. Nazi? What are you talking about? Give me specifically. Oh my God. He's not on the phone. He's filling up with gas. People. He's mustard gas Lewis. You're here legally Lewis. That's funny. I literally put the same invite out on. I didn't even realize you had done that. But I was actually wants to come argue this or make your point. Why not somebody in the streets and they did not want argue it? Street J into the air. The comic yesterday James fucking did Jay. Well, I don't want to give attention if they want to name names on Twitter. I don't care. Don't name names health. No, I'm saying more like to give any traction to a fucking dope. But I mean no one knows who that anyway. I know but it was like, well, but the noise me about is these comics people, I fucking shook hands before a bunch, and welcome to our fucking thing. And do you know what I mean? Like that. Those people have to on some level soup like think they're in the complete more right here. I don't I'm telling you it gets to appoint and Dave mean David conversation about this before, if you look at it, here's almost what's going on a lot of good points. They're like people people over giving shit. It's I'm telling you. It's everything from weird looking cat lady women to smoking hot women and a bunch of fucking guys who are like, that's they think that's their way. I can't none of these guys, genuinely believe any of this. You mean that guys who think they're the, the guy with a big fed, ugly guy who definitely like one time, some girl was like you stood up for something Justice there. And he's now like to. That's what he does. He think. That's, that's his identity. Now here's one easy to talk. Now he had no. I asked the men Harrington at one point begging in the streets. Tell me a thing that makes sense about what you're saying an arguing that throwing shit of people isn't violence. It was. It's bananas. It was such a rational behavior understand what you're saying. Okay. A person who is advocating throwing milkshakes at us. They're planning on doing it. Also, we'll wait. Milo has head hit. Headbutted one of the cameras. That's how much of a Nazi is. Media. Hamra multiple times really before you. But nobody could give me any kind of straight. You get out of the country or what? Filed a report with the department of homeland security and death. My mation and given given all the information that I have about her. So now of the, you know, I'll just call some friends that I happen to know in the ice, and make sure that, that particular files expedited you think when you call now. Go. Hello goes. Oh, hey, Milo. Put the put up on the desk. Viggo list. No, Tony Rodriguez. We school. I'm looking at. Legal over here right now. The end of the conversation, just your name, and phone number. In case you want to get back to you, and I was like, okay so the first name is Milo Milo, and he's like, oh. Really? No, obviously, obviously being me. I have plenty of friends within the department of home askari. So makes no gay friends weird. I like I like friends who can actually get things done. DHS and no facts, no, gays and homeland security. Well, people who maybe get off on saying. Here's one thing that I thought was really interesting because we to we have to start baba for. Well done. What's that band thing? You do what we're doing right now. I to make one point. Interesting like we're, we're not like fucking, we're not tough guys. We're not like violent dude. We invited you here to be fucking Selley and sit down. And, you know, we know Paul I've known Paul for a couple years now at this point, you know, my moron you're, you're more on. Yeah. And he reached out, and we were like, let's fuck it, it'd be a funny show. We'll have some fun. We don't I don't care about people's politics. We just talk shit. Right. So Cacho but, you know, we did this thing and then people started posting a line. It's like, oh, why there's a milkshake shop a few blocks away from the creek, and I guess the new thing is that throwing milkshakes figures of the alright, and I don't know that means by the way it's a milkshake. It's like. And you put it in. Sorry. This is very tasty. So it's, it's from the, I've never had this perspective before because it's like if they came to the creaking cave, let's say we did with creek tonight, and they sort of chugging milkshakes at us. I'm telling you, forget me. I. Waste milkshake in front of Jay. Shit candy, as my father would say, they'd be picking up the broken fingers. Exactly. But this the point that's a great line, this, that's great crew. They're, they're literally creating this thing, where it we we'd be on video punching these kids in the face. We'd be on video punching. This is in the face where it's like, well now but this podcast into Gavin in the proper people, they throw stuff on you get your face. They like up nudge. New say. How about you get out of my fucking space, and you clock them. Suddenly, your some kind of like Neo Nazi assailant. It's crazy. I never. Never. On video being like, hey, if these guys get in your face fucking knock them out, and then what they play is not out, and they don't they out the fucking beginning, is it to the five. The de Blasios intent on putting in jail or black. You know. And it's like, oh this these the white supremacy two. Yeah. Two out of five of these problems, which, by the way is not racist organization. They are a pro western civilization organization, which is the most notable organizational mantra. I can imagine literally, the least offensive east remarkable thing I've ever heard in my life. You know, it's just like we're, we're pro western civilization. Oh. Western chauvinism. His in meaning that you're prejudiced in favor of freedom democracy property rights equality, the rule of law. I'm how shocking. With on that except but there. That's another show. But I agree with you fucking but the thing that's weird is that it's like when the evenly when Trump was like, oh, these whole countries and everyone's like, oh, he's such a fucking mom. It's like yeah. Imagine you were being deported to that country. Amaro. How would you what would you say? Go. You're going to go live in Haiti. Who's posting what's his name? The talk show host is, is visible like of his of his Weiner, Bill Maher. No. Who's that? Talk show rose, right? No. Conan o'brien. I think maybe. And they're all posting pictures of them these in these idiotic coves in hating. It's like, yeah, you're at the four seasons where if any Haitian people actually will can they get machine gun to death? Figuratively. Like I did to mareo blah, blah, blah, blah. But we got a first time wave. Wave your Gomez. They're probably five hundred thousand of them in Miami. It's okay, but no. And it's like yeah. Have actually been because the Dominican Republic walked across the board. And I've been like. It is a shithole people go to all those countries when they're like, oh, savannah, talking resort, you can go to anywhere. If you've got the money to resort at the, you know, at the Ritz Carlton and fortunately in my life, most of at most periods in my life, I have. So I have been to those kinds of places. City, you get a little bit off the boardwalk and. Atlantic City with actual gold in, you know, some spray, but once you get away from like the mall and the fucking thing you're being terrified for having your hair out. If you're a woman, or if you hold hands with your boyfriend, you get, you know, you end up buried under the sand. Celebrities perform Colton shit. Full sleep. Hilton Brunei's second cousin's son is having a birthday million dollars for Riyan on you. Like you fucking bitch. This more public they are. For six people. Look into this. Joe than two million dollars. Why would this be available? Tent country who whose? There is one place that slavery persists in the in the world in massive in just in this room here. Fucking shit. It is the Middle Eastern. It's doing it to their own people. Okay. It's a northern Africa to Africans have been selling other African since time immemorial, but the Middle East is the only place where there is money and sophistication there, they didn't place with our venture capital funds and skyscrapers, where people are still selling other people. Yeah. Northern african. Are you gonna call? North Africa is Muslim is the Middle East is a world. We're on the same page. Hitler? At least kill people that he thought weren't his people Stalin and the Arab Middle East enslave and kill their own Milo. We're trying to be on your side. Really? Milo go off. Realize more. He built really good. Great. I see where goes. But what you say they actually agree with? I should have prefaced it with no that meant it and evil and messed up hit the walls. It goes without fucking saying obvious. That's my point. I'm saying you're saying. You're saying take a size to say. He was bad sorry, but he went against people. He thought was like an enemy. He say versus identified in his sick twisted evil had identified as the other as the people who were wrecking society identified Jews in his imagination that people who wrecking society eight off the truth. Three because. Rogin fucking. It was the did nothing wrong on rose. No sick twisted discussing imagination at least was attacking people ahead into fight as the enemies of society you Stalin and the middle and Middle Eastern. You know, society today, by the way, in the in the latter case who are in slaving in murdering their own people just because they're, you know, convenient whatever you're more shocked. If someone kills her own families in the neighbors, I think you're more like your. Because that person is like. I mean none of it's good. Sure. No. That was an active. Is something especially demented and sick about people who go for their own versus people who go. However, wrongheaded. Leeann, however. Yeah. Against whoever they've identified as the bad guy, because, you know, they can be told the others like some sort of evil thing. You're one of us, you're my auntie whatever, and I'm gonna kill you anyway, because drapes. This is the kind of this is the law. This is this is this is this is I mean, without getting too serious because I need books, but. Without question is bought a bunch. So I got a new believe audio bookcase coffee table books. On amazon. No. This is this book read. Tumble. Walk like civilizations. Don't have Christianity Christianity. When it comes into Europe basically invents. For the entire western world, the idea of, of individuals as having a unique wolf. Right. Sanctity of life and the unique moral worth of the individuals invention of medieval Christianity, and places that don't have that still today. Don't respect the individual autonomy and wolf of the individual right places that have had Christianity do is when we have the debate about abortion, in the west wall in the middle INS is calling you back. DHS but okay. This is this is one way against the, the, the eyes of the self worth. So. Christianity. Does a bunch of things that completely transform society in the middle ages in the supposedly doc period, when Islam was like holding onto maths and science versus all complete bullshit? But that's for another show. In the middle ages. Been Christianity comes into two to Europe. Not only does it. Invent things like consensual marriage, where the woman has to say I do as well. Prior to which men could just say, I'm marrying her daughter in the Dacca say, okay, then the woman has no say in the matter. And by the way, that still the case in the countries that don't have Christianity. It also invents things chivalry, where women are elevated to their proper places in society that treated as objects of reverence and appreciation, and they all give concocting maybe. Yeah. Maybe this might be the wrong crowd for this. But, you know, women the, the idea of opening doors for women comes from medieval codes of chivalry. And this is this is from this idea from Christianity the women don't chattel the not like your oxen, all your house, or your land. They are human beings deserving respect and dignity and veneration in love. And this comes. Got it wrong. Dr. Wholesome slide your fucking talking to your telling me now. I gotta have a house for my chattel and my. The pigs anymore channels too much. This is the thing in the Middle East. In Raca, they do still live with the pig. Joking aside. We don't really want women to be treated that way. Dumbed. Women, we want women to be treated with respect and dignity because that's how good reflection on Austin. It's deserve to be the obvious. These these things. And that's a consequence really of what I'm talking about Christianity kind of invents, the idea of the of individual worth, and the and how everybody is equal under God. Right. We're over here, and the way that Christians phrase, this is were created in the image of gold. Right. But this ultimately becomes a legal principle that everyone around the table, probably a hope I hope get behind, which is equality before the law. Right. So whether you are a monarch, or a billionaire or homeless person the penalty for motor should be the same, right? And this is a legal principle, that most people can, you know, get behind. Now, the idea of being equal before the law comes from having equal moral worth, as a human being, I am worth the same as the king, and we would ship alongside another in the pews, and we share the Eucharist together, whatever, even if he goes back to the palace. And I go back to what have we are at least equal in the eyes of God, we are we are equally valuable as moral beings. Right. This isn't a mention of Christianity. But it still doesn't exist in the countries that didn't have Christianity and all the things follow from that all of the sort of concomitant Horace that you would imagine from societies that haven't made that basic innovation, we'll, this is why the Middle East is in a polling in disgustingness why they treat women like crap, why they mood reach other without thinking about it, because they don't regard, the human beings, as having intrinsic Wayne that we in the way that we'd Milo I completely agree with you. But I think this is the wrong podcast, man. I kind of feel that halfway through. And then I was like, I'm, I'm in a thought, so I'm gonna get through the end of it. We will tell you issue. We get back. Bands. He's alienated. Interested in that woman do do the do the band thing, how I gotta pull rank here a little bit. I wanna sees. They stopped me from looking at him outside with it would be on here. We listen to the c make it. She's an address. Is. Oh man. Yeah. Dick that quick lactic only one. I know that Tucker. Oh man really great. Great. Oh, click it. Good. Not. Counter rarely moving. Yeah. This isn't. It's. That's hard course. She gets that fat, d. Eyestone five that dick dude, I wouldn't even fucked to kill my Steen look away. Don't look at that big fat, d it's too much. Learning her turning her see wants. She's hurt. I think she loves them. She dating game Milo while we're watching this porn put us in order of who you would Faulk Jane, Dave now, I have to preface this by saying based desert island purely on handsomeness, everything based all Celtic who's going to win. Fuck it. Hedgehog clever. How long? No, please stop this. Two. Yeah. That's it. Struggle. I, I. Trying to deny that's you. Daughter did a report on people. She as your transition J. No, it's not. You cock. Sucker fuck doing a comedy podcast. My daughter has a fucking. It's the eightieth time. I've been bulled over that. Trust your struggle my daughter did a fucking like a hug, my did. I would wanna flying sixty nine me what that means come here. She did over port alien. And that's either. Right. That all trust your struggles like the headline of fucking thing. And now she's getting railed. Thank you. Hugging. It's gonna be on four th he wants to fuck. Fourth not wrong. Shot. This is your couple now there's going to be. That's become show. The come shot. Position changes. Good for her. My looks like the next door neighbors in American, dad. Terry, terry. Nets. Put the top it. That big of a deck. She's making her moans making so much noise. Any him? Yes. That's fat to you. Don't even see your face. Oh, yeah. Right. Right. That's fat. He jump ahead to the come. Shuffling. He is a big guy. I mean he's listening nothing. Oh my God. All. Smaller than that picture for some reason phone in the whole get close. You know what I mean? She's really spread Jay. He's got a huge dick shut. The fuck arguing respect is she wrapping yoyo young year off. All right. Let them right? All right. Very, very nice. Oh. That's. You want to report it a fucking ice right now on the phone country. No, it's not. It's just it's just six women just reminds me of death. What a correlation clockwork orange into the French say, you know, the orgasm is little it doesn't for me. It was the big messy highway death. Wait, you're saying these. Bitches orgasms. Of course, of course. No, but many years later, they spreading your Asselot them. Looks like Pete Davidson. Legal recall art. Deck. Deck sock. Okay questions, we didn't get rush through them. All right. Rank. Okay. So it's based on whether I would whether I would be. Desert island. I'm not interested in whether you'd be good partner for life. How? Exactly. If the morning off, I'd be like. Noble like we have to talk at breakfast. No. Jason. See what we're talking. Go go go. There's a great diner. Because you're mitigating factors conversation food. No. Okay. So at four the person who will be fine. You know, but. Would be you. Would. It all comes and that eleven he also did that through the is a heartbreak. Did you this gives you? I just feel like offering night with you. The I would be left, like wondering, still in my own body, you know, just like I wouldn't look up and see, like handprints on the headboard whereas. Yeah. That's crazy. Maybe Louis, probably be fucked the heart their various. That's my shield. So there's all this right here. So, you know, 'cause you haven't gone back pulled up picture. Picture. That is our pupils always wearing our Hitler moustache. All three of us. This is how I know it's. Number three. Number three. Sorry. The reason I say, no, no, no. Earlier. I say that a little bit too nice. Oh, yeah. He wants it rough. Now you're nice and I, I wanna be wrecked. I wanna be fucking ruin. You don't kidney punch him in the middle of I feel like I feel like it would be. All. Very. I never want to be all is that, okay? Ask you that I ask, if you can't even all over my face. Came right. Tonight. So everything today. Right. Would you like me to carry on with that? Or do you want me to change it up laughing 'cause you're not wrong? My girlfriend's fucking shitting. And that's like, basically the least attractive thing in the on a so awful. So maybe four three was as bad as you said. No, I said, look, it's because you're nice some women like that. I'll take some women didn't get the roles effect on this is us because they said, I was too handsome. I'll take that rejection too. File that away. My okay with rejection. Here's the number to have a statement on that number. I mean it's obvious. No way. Because he I mean Louis to see who was getting there. Let me tell you. The last one with fucking. This little tool to is you too. I said Lewis was going to be right. Yes. Asshole, which means. That number one. The I just I just want to be leading from every orifice. Gonna fuck you with a knife. That's fine. That's fine. Like I want you to be like, hold the back of my head and slice. Bits of me off while you. I chose grandmother kicked. I just want you to MS thirteen the fuck outta me. That's what I'm saying. Right. Just call your nanna. How would it even be a guess? Yeah, it was Louis Louis all along. Eight myla is racist the wrong way. If you wanna give me a call talk immigration policy. I'm there for your bro. I'm not really excited by policy, which is the reason you're number two. Exactly policy wants to get fucked hard by Lewis media. But I'm saying after that. Saying you'd like to be friends. Yes. Friends, but now, those people just work for you, bro. Done with Louis, you bring that wine, glass, you bring everywhere, over to my place down. I, I bought this from the restaurant over the road because I knew that you would make me drink out of styrofoam. Plastic glass, literally book last gave to true. Branding. Listen. I'm very low maintenance diva and I didn't want to expect to or to assume so I gave the bar over the road twenty bucks and I say this one gloss. Okay. So I had anyway, whatever three deportations later. I probably. Tolstoy ninety four minutes ago. I'm. The question. The question. I think we're gonna get better. Before you pick -scuse me, his cost is this. Excuse me. Jacket. Whose custody. Nuclear war. And you had the ability to save one racist people, which would you choose to save black because I want to have sex when. Because I mention because I love music when preparing for romantic evening blown passionate sex opponent. Please describe your personal hygiene habits. Fulling cantu. I'm actually really naturally spotless. I've never do in my life. And also never left a stain, so I'm fine. Guys, dick. I've never showed is what's the what's the? I think I just have a really squat full in the nation. Now, I just have really good like diet and exercise. So here's what I've had sex with girls, those been like they have to not eat all day. What? What role? Normally normally. Yes. Kito or fasting Kito. It smells even. Out than. If you know you're talk to you. All right. I don't eat. I don't have to most people do have to clean those. Shit to the side compartment. Okay. Six works Lewis. Chamber. He's right. It goes into an antechamber. True. Appeals. No, no. He's, he's right about that. You show up to family barbecue sisters dating Batman. What do you do steal him? If you have. What was the order? It was gonna be your eighty. The question. His dating game questions but I'm finding more interesting. Just honest, the myself. Attention weight loss all you more topper about him. Where do you like to travel to get away from other races? I wish America New Jersey. Right. I look America is an invention of white and black human beings. You know. An America, the all America, and the of course it and choose to be here, and it was, it's, it's a, it's a horrible wrote history. But the nature of America, the future, America's unimaginable without whites and blacks, the problem is, is been has been Hispanic into the market is not like Florida going at it. Choose me. Added nothing to. Presenting themselves as a as a perpetual drain shut up. Louis fuck out of our country. But before we do fuck Milo. He's in American Puerto Rican. He's fine. I don't care. Everybody here provide attack the cow and the majority of people here are not taking big come from one particular contents lost the bets saying that too. Jews Puerto Rican live with yourselves. Oh, I see. If we were to walk out in a park. Walkout if we went out, well, the whole lot knew what if better race Puerto Rico, do why obvious don't try to go out counter on this say the obvious. What race Puerto Rican? Joe go. Jewish oversleep. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Jews. Okay. I'm a professional troll. I wind people up for living mealy being Jewish, annoys, everyone left and the best right to them. Yeah. Could be more wonderful to being Jewish way. You'll MIR existence annoys people funny kid makes a point. Plenty of people do not out on a walk in the park and a mean smelly. Unbathed savage. Throws Puerto Rican. Question doesn't say that throws a milkshake at me. What would you do lick it off? What's your worst quality? I don't have any. Who's your whitest hero west? What are your biggest pet peeves about other races? We've dealt with. Yeah. Okay. So now you can do the music. We're go we're, we're gonna save it because it's the shows regard. We couldn't over two hours, a great show fantastic. Listen, you're fucking great. You're not you're. You're, you're not. You're this was exactly the problem that everybody had they knew that he would come in and be charming, and we didn't have to talk about politics. We didn't talk about policy, which is stupid and laughing and bus balls. And, and sure get one woman deported. I'll tell you collateral damage for funny lateral damn funny. Is going to be the most downloaded episode in your history. Small price to pay Milo Yiannopoulos, Mary. By now. Anyway, anyway. Thank you know, I'm. My fans is returning to the eighteenth nineteenth century where you actually had to work, you had to put some put a bit of F to find the thing that, that are lovely eighties comedy. Just head to go man. I'm exactly I'm a sort of Kona says brand now and you have to telegram. He said an hour Currier pigeon telegram, Tony, and I allow me on on YouTube and dangerous, which is the best man in the world. Oh, isn't that awesome one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars? Not that much. 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Antisocial Media with Andrew Marantz

Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes

56:29 min | 1 year ago

Antisocial Media with Andrew Marantz

"Where does this go like more. People are going to be swept up in this and the country's politics will get more berserk more bigoted more antisocial to quote the book's title more more insane more vile more ugly more debased. Is that the argument book. Things are pointing that direction now but it is within our power to change it so that doesn't mean that you have to land on pessimism or optimism it means you have to land on Holy Shit. We have a lot of work to do. Hello and welcome to why is this happening with me. Your host Chris so I'm speaking to you today. In the midst of this Ukraine story which is blowing up at the short versions the prison united United States used his former power as the president to directly blackmail extort solicited a bribe from the president of Ukraine by essentially Salihi threatening whether explicitly implicitly to hold back two hundred and fifty million dollars. US aid unless the President Open investigation into his chief rival son son which is just like impossibly and flatly corrupt and abusive power on its face worthy of impeachment in my humble opinion that said within like seconds of the news breaking or minutes. There's only folks on twitter. Some of them may be automated bots from them real people who are just trolls like spinning wildly about how corrupt by news and putting up these clips about Biden years ago you know telling the Ukrainians to fire their very corrupt prosecutor which was the position of the EU and the US and everyone everyone in this guy was like standing in the way of investigations actually including maybe investigation that might have involved his son and he was the one. US told to go but this clip goes out everywhere and you've got all these people all of a sudden like flooding the zone with this counter narrative about how the deep state and you're being lied to and actually Biden the one here and you can watch the kind of like informational scales start to get weighted down in one direction like the fact of the matter is this is a story about the president using his official power to do something that is clearly an abusive office and that that's like the one hundred pound weight on one side of the scale but then there's a swarm of people who are just like depositing little one pound weights on the other side of the scale before you know there's one hundred of them in two hundred and three hundred of them and you get to the point where like what the fuck are. What are we talking about. What is going on here and that happens with every story in some ways? That is the story of the two thousand sixteen election. It's the story of like Clinton sick. She sang she sex you sick. Don't you see look. Oh look this little clipper. She's coughing. Oh this then oh well right. Wing sites are saying the Hillary Clinton is sake like it's a new conspiracy theory but then everyone's talking about it. She say she fainted. She fainted see it was true. She was sick sick and it's like woo-hoo. See why what who cares if she was sick. Why is this even a story and that got repeated. A Million Times got repeated on Hillary Clinton having an illness which again like what's the substantive critique that she's a person sick. It got repeated on the emails. AD nauseam about uranium one which is a preposterous conspiracy theory sorry that was like wrangled out of a completely banal transaction between different companies. The darker parts of it was about like the Clintons are running a child trafficking looking ring in the basement of a Washington. DC pizzeria which was a thing that people believed all of these conspiracy theories all of this kind of like bad faith toxic viciousness justness constantly swarming around the information environment really was a huge part of what happened two thousand sixteen and it hasn't gone away as this week's Ukraine social tells you and there's sort sort of three components to it. There's sort of right wing politics like substantively right wing politics reactionary views often trafficking in like really disgusting disgusting openly bigoted racist anti Muslim anti Semitic tropes the aesthetics of trolling as an activity means of using zing platforms to grab people's attention through the most obviously provocative means possible and then the third vital component are the nature of social media platforms like facebook and twitter in which these kinds of interventions in one's attention can gain traction and explode and those three components. CONAN's like a bunch of right-wingers pursuing a vision of a right wing universe and world the kind of ethics and aesthetics of trolling as an activity and the sort of honing of that skill combined with the way the social media platforms work creates the insanity of our current political moment and my guest today is like maybe the best expert on how these three things together my guest today is a staff writer at the New Yorker magazine named enter Marantz and for years he has been reporting on the different strains that go so into this particularly toxic part of the information environment right wing right and ultralight activists and trolls and Neo Nazis sees as well as the people at the platform companies as well as other people that move in this political circle and the ways in which they've come together together to produce what is kind of like informational underground economy that has a reach every bit as far I think as the non black market market economy like as whatever you WANNA call it the mainstream media or whatever it is like there is this world that has been created by these folks that reaches into people's People's homes in a way that I think has as much reach as the kinds of sources of information that I would count myself among and he's got this just fin phenomenal new book out that polls together in this really readable narrative thread character studies and deep dives and embedded reporting wording what kind of breathe new world this group of malcontents and droughts and fascists and Weirdos where does have put together and how it now largely determines a huge part of the information that Americans get and determines ends the political conditions under which Donald Trump can be president and indeed thrive as president so if you want to understand this moment if you want to understand like this Moan of Donald on trump. Do you understand what we're about to head into twenty twenty and if you want to understand what will endure pass Donald Trump the person to listen to is Andrew Marines and how did you get pulled into this beat to begin with. I guess my first question can you are there. Are Some people get pulled into this beat. I think who are like they have some political sympathies even with not the content they have political sympathies with the idea of free speech and like I hate cancel culture and like all this. That's not really you at all. That was not my way in but you got pulled in why'd you well. I think actually there are some people who get drawn into the outright assault light world because it's like dark and sexy and kind of interesting in a in a kind of anti hero way that is not what drew me. I was not drawn to who let's see what the freaky fringes are doing so that I can write about it in a even in a harsher dismissive way I was drawn in by it seems like our or methods of of imbibing information about the world are deeply broken and what could that hypothetically lead to and it turns out that the real answer was even more wild than the hypothetical answer that I could have envisioned so even back in two thousand fourteen. I I was covering stuff. That was about what happens when our media landscape is broken by media. I mean broadly every way that we understand the universe around us at the time it was kind of like aesthetically weird stuff like click bait farms and you know to. BOOLA links that I was interested in right. I is the like Weird floating ads that you get drawn by in these kind of pop publishers that are sort of cycling through a lot of garbage content and some of that ends up in the book what's happening to our our information delivery system and our attentional incentives yeah that was the question that I went into and it was nice to be at the New Yorker because the New Yorker is not a place that forces you into a really hard delineation of what beat you're on there are some people there who are on the immigration beat or the climate beat or whatever and there are other people who kind of float around and if you'd asked me back then to describe my beat. I literally would not have known how to do it. It was like because it wasn't media per se anymore than it was business or tech heck or politics per se it was kind of the weird swampy confluence of all those things basically the premise being and this is an insight that Andrew Breitbart famously we had politics is downstream from culture. If what you're looking at is a mass and what we're looking at all day social media which we now recognize to be an utter complete mess but at the time there was still this kind of tail end of the techno Utopian narrative about how it was going to liberate us all in Crete Arab springs everywhere even though at the time the Arab spring had turned into descended into chaos right. There was still this lingering kind of halo effect of like social media is about breaking down boundaries. It's about you know toppling gatekeepers with with no sense of what would replace gatekeepers just like freedom and that was the end of the conversation but what my sort of first hand experience of it was. I think a lot of people was like this is confusing. It's terrifying. It doesn't make me feel more informed or smarter. It makes me feel more addicted. It makes me feel more isolated and a lot of things career angrier stupider more lizard brainy and that stuff got stuck on the level of self care like here's how to unplug here's how to Right D- addict yourself but like what are the systemic and societal implications of that I mean the project is what happens to a society at the level. Love love ideas culture and politics. WHO's information delivery system is so radically radically disrupted and then kind of re commodified in a new way. Is that the reporting project sort of what the book is about right and given the way that I like to report report given the way that New Yorkers style reporting works. I didn't WanNa just ponder those questions in vacuum. I didn't want to write a polemic nothing wrong with polemics but I didn't want to just argue that point. I felt that other people were kind of edging toward doing that. I wanted to do an immersive reported narrative answer to that question and so there were basically two ways to to go about it. I went to facebook and twitter and said hey can I embed myself in your offices for three years while you figure out these monumental civilizational problems and they said absolutely not no fuck with your mind and this was back in two thousand fifteen when they wouldn't even like answer email now during yes so they're kind of getting giving you half if an hour and a glass cube conference room sometimes. I'm sorry we don't have time for that Andrew. We've got six of our best people working on how he started genocide in Burma. We'll get back to you yeah yeah. Yeah we feel deeply bad. We feel bad about and yes so but this was even before. They were taking responsibility for stuff like that. I mean remember before. It's like hard to remember now how much this has shifted. That's a great point because it really was like this is a great thing. It's connecting people. I'm telling you pre- I mean so first of all there was literally if calling the Arab spring the twitter revolution which just was matter of factly in headlines like twitter did this it liberated the Middle East and then you know the kind of media cycle being what it is it wasn't like Oh but twitter also did this thing where Tunisia's like overrun with Isis and stuff like that that part never told but then there's also this angle of you've pre two thousand sixteen. If you had to reach for an available narrative that was the narrative and so even among people who were not kind of like in the tank for techno Utopian whatever I mean there was that bubble in silicon valley and in Silicon Valley press but even among just sort of normal people who were like paying attention you could go to them and say every election has a dominant way of speaking and consuming information right so there's this kind of theory that like two thousand eight was the election the email newsletter and two thousand twelve was the buzzfeed election and everyone before that was like the TV election radio election so by any calculus. The two thousand sixteen election was going to be the social media election right. We have one guy who is everything monumentally terrible about social media wrapped up into one in person and yet you would present those like simple premises to people and they wouldn't deny either the premises like they'll. Both of those are obviously trove. Those are obviously true true but come on right. That guy can't win. He's a crazy bloviating gas bag. We're too good for that. We the American people will rise above it. Blah Blah Blah so there's just this basic unwillingness us to look at in the face plus the fact that the companies weren't talking because they had no reason to even to the extent that they have a reason to now back then they had no reason yeah one place you go is you go to bed with you to report about how your destroying our society yes and they're like maybe not hard past and then skipping skipping ahead to the credit of. Steve Hoffman the founder of read it the CO founder and currency O of read it. He eventually did let me to do that. With no preconditions there are some amazing scenes with him the buck including him deleting basically like he's he's a Uva Grad and like sort of read it has this kind of free speech each zone ethos from the beginning and then Charlottesville happens and he feels rage guilt sorrow about it and like the get together together. I think it's like the next day and they're just like in a room like deleting essentially like Nazi sub-regions sounds like should we get rid of like our sex with dogs to like. Is it like yes. It's exactly what you think. It is yeah. Let's just throw out our sex with dogs they had already gotten rid of dogs but they forgot sex with yeah and and so it just makes you realize like of course they didn't. WanNa let me into see this because it's right so human it's so contingent to use a word that pops up throughout the book it's so subject to the whims and and sort of momentary desires of human beings and that is exactly the the opposite of the image they want a project so at the time pre-election nobody was letting me from the gatekeeper side and one of the things that I kind of argue although it's not really an argument driven book it's sort of arguments embedded in the narrative but one of the things that I say in the book is that these companies are new gatekeepers as strenuously and repeatedly as they deny that they fundamentally I think against all evidence see themselves as anti keepers because that was fundamental to their founding ethos it was how they raised funds it was how they thought of themselves themselves but like very quickly became the new gatekeepers but even worse than that they they then just like forsook all responsibility that comes along with that so I couldn't go to the new gatekeepers so I went to the gatecrashers and that was where my interest in alright lights feral misogynist minist- hyper nationalist monarchist like you name it like just crazies online came in and like it's always a little dicey to call them crazies or call them terrible people. It's painting with a broad brush kind of deepen my ethos that you know. I don't think anybody is a redeemable. I think even the most terrible people can work toward their redemption but as I make pretty clear in the book these are not people who are working toward there is no they're not. They're not seeking it out and they're not offering any introspection about the things they've done. Yeah Yeah there there and and you know we can drill into specific cases but generally speaking the people I focused on professional propagandists who are trying to bend the arc of history in some extremely terribly disturbing directions. It's all they do all day some of them for profit some of them on a volunteer basis and almost none of them over the of course of my three and change years of embedding with them showed any sign that they wanted to have a redemption ark much less plausibly like work toward one. There's kind of two categories or sort of conceptual buckets to think about with respect to this group of people that you one is like reactionary ideas ideas reaction the rhetoric reaction the culture of reaction and the others like trolling like means of embedding yourself in the like a sort of attentional splinter someone's mind right like and it has that kind of splinter feel like it's not pleasant but you pay attention to it and that sort of the attentional effect of these folks folks and I want you to talk a little bit about the relationship between those two because to me. One of the most profound insights of the book is just the way that like troll culture in reaction have some inherent connections to each other and are increasingly being fused through the characters you talk about all the way up to the reactionary trolling chief the president yes and the president is very much both of those things very much in both exact fully both so. I mean a more a plea be way of asking that question is do they really mean it or are. They just opportunistic. There's the high minded version which is are they true reactionaries or are they driven by trolling and and then there's the version you hear more often which is do they really care about anything to really believe anything and I think the answer to both is like both things are going on. There are some people well who are just trolls because they think it's fun to be trolls and they're either doing it for money. They're doing it for attention and with those people there isn't really much of a political valence to it. You get the sense that if the winds shifted they would be blown in the other direction and there is some sense that like with someone like Milo Yiannopoulos who is a complete empty vessel and like you're leasing nothing and is just wants to be fabulous and like provocative and happy life attention ten literally models himself after Mariah Carey like billy is interested in the celebrity culture side. I'd yeah and not in anything else. There is evidence from like old deleted blog posts of his where he was fully arguing the other side of not just like the issues of the day but like his his only core beliefs about free speech and how anyone should be able to say anything online he was like arguing the other side of that and be like trolls should be kicked off line so it's like there's just nothing nothing there and that's where you get into all the kind of journalistic ethics questions of like at what point does it become untenable to pay attention to someone like that who pretends to be saying something that's actually saying nothing so when you're talking about troll cultures focus on that for a second right like the point and you wrestle with this book the point of troll culture is to get attention. That's the whole point it's to trigger people they have created reliable means of doing so and then if you pay attention to them at some level they've won also if you ignore them while they're like making like. Jews to the gas chamber trend it's maybe not great to ignore that exactly exactly and this was is that this was the dichotomy that I was constantly wrestling with which again is you know one of my arguments for why I felt it was necessary to foreground the Meta reporting stuff is that like I as a reader would not want to be in the company of writer of this book who has not struggling with that question if feels like one of the essential questions struggle with and there is no one-size-fits-all the answer there's no pro-forma always pay attention or never pay attention rubric that you can apply. It's always case by case. It's always based on a number of factors. I mean some you just take Milo. 'cause he's the example we're on. I went years without paying attention to him because he just wanted it so bad and because because I felt like it never rose to the level of something that deserved to be paid attention to even though he was kind of you know in some ways bannon's right hand guy and he was taking money from the Mercer is and he was clearly powerful figure I just sort of couldn't bring myself to do it and you know I had all these sort of work arounds where I would hang out with Lucian winters who is like a my light but he was more interesting to me because he was literally reporting from the White House briefing room everyday which I thought was interesting yeah so there were there were just ways and plus. There are just so many guys to focus on that. I was not at a lack for material and again given what we were saying earlier. It was not a full taxonomy of the Filo of bad people on the Internet that was after like that well obviously that would be a one hundred fifty volume work that would take up the rest of your life and then the rest of every other natural life live by human and that was not of all the like Robert Perreault project might embark on that's not the one that I would Robert Caro of Audrey Shitty people on the Internet friends who thought that that's what I was doing and so they would they would end. I was grateful for but they would always text me like did you see a new. Oh Shit. He person on the Internet you list Fascist got no platform from Uber in San Diego and I'd be like that's great and the sad part is I generally already knew right that I had and I actually I mean the way that this evolved. Is that this three year period I spent immersed in this world like I came back with notebooks upon notebooks of if you want to know the subplots of like dating drama among like Islamaphobia Demi celebrities. It's like I've got you covered like I cut it off from. The book is right well. One of the things that emerges here is like it's a subculture unlike any other subculture like if you went to like competitive additive woodworking exhibition like it's just a subculture where people know each other and they cross paths with each other and they interact with each other and they beef with each other and they sleep with each other and the gossip about each other and they do all the things that people in in a subculture do exactly these just happen to be like dealer bashes yeah right and they also were like there who got donald trump elected right. I mean that's the other it connects x back up to that if like if that hadn't happened then this would just be one of those books that people sometimes write about subcultures which which can be fascinating and illuminating but are not at the center of like where are we now capital letters as a country right if they hadn't gone down elected and if they hadn't been actually like uniquely uniquely skilled at the medium time because they're so Florida Grossen pathetic. I think we underestimate how good they are at. Their skill is media production. I mean again like they aren't political thinkers per se I mean we struggled with this. Every time we had to frame one of the New Yorker pieces to be like what are they and what we ended up going with every time was annals of media because like what they do is make media and they do it really really well yeah because they are unrestrained by such things things as you know ethics or dignity they are able to hook into the ways that social networks run on emotional engagement and they're able to emotionally engage you extremely effectively so bring it back to Milo so because this is a subculture in a world where everybody's you know flirting in breaking up whatever Milo plans this thing uncalled free speech week at Berkeley and they all buy tickets to it like it's Coachella there like we're GonNa get an AIRBNB in Berkeley. We're going to hang out. We're all going to be live. Streaming live live streaming angles with the other people live streaming in the background of the livestream. It was dark. It was like a dystopia and and so I was like okay. This thing is happening. I could already tell the free speech week was gonNA fall apart because Milo in addition to being a proto fascist has zero organizational skills and he was like announcing all these things he's like Charles. Murray is going to be there and Eric Princeton either and then literally like not having thought one step ahead the chronicle of higher education would go to Charles Murray and say hey. We hear you're going to be at this thing and Charles moving no not no one ever emailed me about that. I believe his quote was. I think my law is a despicable asshole. So whatever so all this stuff is falling stopped clock quote from Charles Murray exactly so but anyway I decide to go and watch it fall apart in part of what I was doing there was this is sort of in response to the previous question of when did I feel that the benefits of covering these things outweighed the cost to me psychically to like the world morally of whatever of giving attention to these things that are designed as like simulate crimes that are only there to harvest attention and in that case it was just like good material for me to be around that subculture subculture but be it was. Milo is like the thing that John Stuart Mill didn't predict in liberty like when you make your kind of Inova vacuum free-speech arguments about how even if your argument is wrong it will sharpen my argument and we will come into the marketplace of ideas together and come toward a consensus truth like he wasn't thinking about someone with no inner core whose job is to hook into addictive feedback loops and algorithms rhythms who is not only not making a good faith argument but is like not making an argument. It's just a hall of mirrors and so it was again a media story story about how does this become a media circus. The thing at the center of it was really dark and scary because he's like making fun of Trans Students like doing all these really dark things poisoning the immigration in debate like the the substance of it is still important. It's just that the substance of it isn't the only thing going on and I came away from your book with a theory on this about what this is all doing to our brains and I wanna tell you what I mean. After this break getting everyone breaking news tonight from Washington Lester Holt here on the ground began tonight mostly the questions you would ask. Are you afraid Iran playing fire giving the context you need. What's it like to see them here. Being celebrated as heroes means to be American Worcester whole we've met a lot of great people doing a lot of great thing immersive trusted TV news anchor in America. That's nightly news. I'm Lester Holt. NBC nightly news with Leicester Volt evenings on your local NBC station so I think I came away from your book with this as a tentative hypothesis and it's one that I think I had before fourth. There's little of confirmation bias at work. It's basically this three things are operating all to activate the same parts of our brain so when you said Lizard Brain before for the brain stem parts of us which is like the first part that evolved. It's the part that we share with other animals. It's the thing that fires up our fighter flight adrenaline title in system reaction the sort of deep physical visceral reactions like disgust right. That's happening in that part of the brain. troll culture is working on figuring out ways to activate that the algorithms and tools of social media are functioning on that not on purpose but as a byproduct because it's that thing that makes you click and makes you come back that same part of the brain and that reactionary politics actually happened in that part of the rain too because because that's the part of the brain where we think about invaders we think about disease we think about disgust we think about the most kind of reactionary parts and all three of those things are all neatly laid atop each other working on the same part of the brain stem. I think yes I think that's absolutely right and it sort of helps to answer the question that sometimes people have about trump where they'll say well wait you just said that he was an empty vessel in the next breath said he was reactionary and like how are those things possible possible and it's like it's possible because they are both emanating from this place that is kind of pre logical that isn't interested in coherence that isn't interested in the thing. I tweeted yesterday is directly directly at odds with the thing I tweeted today like none of that is mutually exclusive with that agenda and this also helps to answer the question that a lot of people have where they go so so. Are you saying that Mark Zuckerberg wanted this to happen. It's not about that at all. It's one of those sort of deeply tragic cases where a set of factors that leads towards one outcome which is these companies making a lot of money and helping people feel liberated and making them feel like you're making making. Can you check your phone waking. I mean that's the thing that's driving. All of it. Like what gets you coming back. What gets you is. What gets your attention like? N Even even more potentially beneficent deficit explanation so like if you think about what these algorithms are at their core trying to do I mean even taking addiction money out of it to the extent that you can even at their best interpretation what they're trying to do is surface things that are relevant. That's the word they always use as relevant and you know there's this famous mark. Zuckerberg quote that a squirrel dying in your front yard might be more relevant eleven to you than someone dying in Africa which is incredibly sociopathic and also an accurate short description of his business model but what what they're trying to do is is make sure you see the thing that matters to so. They want you to see that your ex just got married and they don't want you to see some boring thing that you're not going to engage with in part because they want you checking your phone but also because they think they're doing you a service right and what they don't realize era. They didn't at the time what they definitely realized now but it's kind of too late it's like sort of the way that we build cities with this like really nice feature that you can get anywhere you want in twenty minutes because you have a car and there's no downside to that and then we learned that cars are destroying the world and we're. GonNa be underwater. It's too late right so I mean I really do see it. As the information crisis is like the climate crisis or the opioid crisis or one of these things where it's like we just wanted to help people with their pain right and and we wanted to sell a lot of the pills I mean the capitalist driver of this cannot be ignored but of course the financial incentives. You have the things you can tell yourselves elves in your board meetings to make yourself feel like we're not just out here to make a buck. We're here to save the world but then you also have the cultural element where society at large large is not pushing back on you at all. It's not like people resent you as a fat cat in the way that they feel about like bankers yeah it for the first ten or twelve years society like gave these other pass yeah so they didn't think even in the same way that like your average kind of liberal bubble person didn't didn't think it was conceivable that trump could be president even though it was literally one of two possible outcomes. They didn't think it was conceivable that this algorithm system that they were rigging up to who make you access the most base parts of you yeah. That's what it is would never result in this outcome. You know I had I have a my perspective on this is is very close because cable news is different than the attentional incentives of social media but not that not different. We have very strong metrics we every day about how many people were watching our show is their job to get people's attention and to keep it and and getting people's attention and keeping it can sometimes be intention with like giving them the information that you know there's an amazing will ferrell line in Anchorman two in in which he says what if instead of telling people things they need to know we tell them what they want like the creation story of Cable News and you know I would say to people sometimes people say to me like why aren't you covering. XYZ Peel said to me all the time and the metaphor I was giving them. It was like at some level like were for wedding deejays and wedding. DJ's job is to get you on the floor and like if they play. Hey Yeah that'll probably get you on. The floor does a wedding. Dj played the best songs wrongs. Is it a curated list of the most sophisticated music like they're trying to get you to dance and that's why wedding deejay tracks are what they are. There's good wedding. Dj Zimbabwe DJ. There's some were more sophisticated than others huge range but like a wedding. DJ's job is a wedding DJ's job. Well and I mean in some ways. It's true of all media right now is. He's like we're all letting. Dj's like the job is to get people's attention. There are philosophical concerns of this book kind of arguments that the book is pushing and one of them is to this point of quality and popularity are not only not the same thing but they might have literally no intrinsic relationship. I think they have no intrinsic relationship relationship yeah if quality and popularity are not the same thing if they're not actually positively correlated at all then not only does it make us uncomfortable because like wedding. DJ's aren't playing the best songs and people on TV might not be telling us what we need to know. All the time it also means that the way we have broken down and reconstructed our entire informational ecosystem could be deeply pushing us in the wrong direction yeah because that is the premise both unspoken and explicitly stated of all this yes that we are going to give you our algorithms are designed to give you the most viral stuff right and either unstated or state is the next part of that syllogism which is and that's what's good and how could be bad. A bunch of people voted on it or a bunch of people liked him. People can't be wrong. I mean first of all. It's wrong so many ways because it's not only the like button. It's also people hate reading stuff also people yelling in the comments. It's all of that is engaged. That's engagement. That's the problem and that's one of the things that the folks in your book look figure out. Is that like you know there's a line about I forget who it is probably apocryphal like as long as they spell your name right. It's good publicity like there's no such thing as bad publicity like there's a version of that in the kind of trolls that you write about words like engagements engagement like if you get ratios and fifteen thousand people are yelling at your tweet like you have have claimed people's attention whether positive or negative and they were kind of part of what was interesting to me in both embedding in their living rooms while they did this this and also going back and reconstructing the history of how they learn to do this is that they were doing this stuff before. There was such a thing as being ratios. They were like figuring it out first first hand for themselves. There are scenes in there where rouge one of these deeply misogynist manas fear people is like learning how to build a career on being ratio sensually but it's not even through the actual twitter ratio. It's like unread it and in these weird blogs and stuff. They're figuring it out in the way that you know you piece together the secret sauce that is going to make Dr Pepper into whatever they're just tinkering around in their kitchen right right and then they do experimenting and our mentoring and that is why when I I eventually knock on their door or send them an email and say hey can. I watch you destroy the world. They're like yeah come on end because they I mean some of them said no but a lot of them said yes because not not only are they not breaking the rules of these systems they are like very effectively using to their intended purpose so the story in the book to me that is like the most potent and darkest that sticks most is is a guy named. Mike Pena Vich and I want you to just tell us his story. Basically who is he what happened to him and what do you learn about him by getting close to his his parents well the first thing is he grows up in upper-middle-class. Progressive New York suburb of New Jersey. I mean again and again again Montclair Montclair which is like for those who I don't know the try. CMO MONTCLAIR is like Berkeley or park slope notoriously kind of liberal educated affluent suburb professor slutty journalists so they grow up there he goes to school with Zach braff and Lauryn Hill. They're like in this sort of suburban been multiethnic wonderland. I mean it's like you know the progressive dream in a lot ways and because of the contrarian impulse among other things personal trauma and whatever he just keeps going for the thing that will make him special make him alienated make him the able to who argue his way out of any given situation so it's it's sort of all these threads in one right part of it is the trolling instinct where he wants to show up at. Thanksgiving and very effectively actively within the first two minutes piss everyone off. It's a compulsive addiction negative attention right like really deep lead neurotic compulsive repulsive addiction and negative attention and if you have an addiction to negative attention that you could only in the past state once a year at Thanksgiving or by yelling back at the TV rescreen. You'RE GONNA love the Internet. Yeah you never run out of the ability to run that game again and again and again so a bunch of things happened to him personally but basically where he ends up is he has an income. He's working in computer coding and he meets a woman who is Jewish which doesn't mean anything to him because he grew up in Montclair yeah and then he starts getting addicted to these online forums where you can argue with people and like I think a lot the people will recognize the kind of pro versions of this in the Christopher hitchens destroys. You know bad argument by feast genre of Early Youtube Youtube there. Is this kind of weird fascination that a lot of people have like you know I I get it. I get why that's entertaining to watch someone. Destroy an argument to be the person destroying someone's argument if you're in this kind of like cocoon of anonymity if you aren't responsible to like ever see them again or be like a decent human being to them again also also again. I don't want to over therapies but if you have some like really deep unmet needs in your saw a huge part of this honestly like there's stuff going on that like the that whatever that's doing to you and filling you as filling something that's not you're not getting in that you should be getting in like the love affection and respect hundred thousand the people in your life one hundred also but it but it takes a very specific form where it is it has this emotional core to it but it takes the form form of being hyper rational hyper masculine you just are freaked out because I am expressing empirical moral certitude and you just don't know the numbers. I mean an often these guys will say well. I just happened to know a lot about the nine hundred sixty five immigration act and it just sounds like you just haven't read any books about that and it's like okay well. What were you going down that path in the first place and what is it. You get this with gun folks you. I used to encounter it. All the time with nine. Eleven troopers was sort of own kind of thing back in the days of two thousand to two thousand three. If you moved in left circles you would get these sort of contrarian obsessive who would like they one. One hundred percent would know more about the architecture of the towers and you did all they think about so. It's like yes. You definitely know more facts about this. You're also off your all right Mojo. Who's going to read the thousand page nine eleven commission those people and then they're like well building seven had this kind of steal. Whatever and you're like okay assist table this for a day. Go read the thing or you just decide screw it. I'm not but it's a similar a similar kind of like I'm laying out facts and you're getting emotional. I'm I'm I'm not I'm. You can't handle it. which again is is the lifeblood of the Internet? Oh were you triggered. 'cause I'm laying out facts. I mean they collect what they call. Rage quits. Oh I need need you rage. quit because my arguments were to might might your facts didn't care about my feelings or whatever like that's the aesthetic and it really is an aesthetic yeah. It just becomes like a game to also so gendered is the other part of it. I mean you have both there are men and women that you hang out with but it just to me like when you look at a trump rally. Ali Not the background shot which is usually staged. We look at the people in the mosh pit. It's like overwhelmingly male when you look at these like these forums are overwhelming milk like the eight Chen shooter I mean there's something deeply deeply connected to gender and cultural pathologies authorities around Macho Nissim maleness definitely well and also I mean especially given that a lot of these forms are devoted to men who are building an entire worldview around women don't want us. We don't want women we need to there's this whole subculture of men going their own way. It's called Tau. I mean these are all I keep this stuff. 'til like the footnotes it's because it gets so gnarly that I don't WanNa go it goes so deep but then the other thing that's happening. I mean at one point in the development of this guy painting which he becomes so this pathway the reason I go so deeply into it that it's indicative of a lot of these pathways start out like sort of progressive go who into college as a Marxist he plays around with Trotskyist this Leninist and then takes a hard swing from that to libertarianism. This isn't a random. The thing is like I've I've seen this exact trajectory multiple multiple yes and again. It comes from that kind of hyper rational like well. What is the state. The state is nothing but a hindrance to my prosperity and therefore I should have covenant of other armed individuals that we can use our freedom of association to keep out people of color and then it's like. Oh now you're Nazi like it. Just happens that way again and again and part of it is there's this moment that I kind of think of as the like Huck Finn like okay then I'll go to hell but like in reverse. I mean whatever I'm being extremely grandiose. I'm not Mark Twain but I think there's this moment that we like to tell ourselves about. The American narrative where Huck Finn says all the social signals are pushing for me to think of Jim as not a person and I will nonetheless think of Jim as a person and and therefore consign myself to hell in his worldview that also happens in reverse but when we have this built in narrative of progress and the arc of the moral universe only bending toward justice we you don't like to think of it happening in reverse. We don't like to think of that built in contingency that some poor boy who just on a raft could find moral goodness in his heart. We don't want to think that you could set off on the raft of the Solo anonymous sitting all night on the Internet tide waters and end up in the worst possible place but that happens all the time so that's what happens to this guy and he skipped a lot of steps. He gets read build on the J. Cue which the Jake you obviously is the Jewish question he decides that he is on the Nazi side of the Jewish question. He decides that the fact that he has a Jewish wife is a big the problem and he devotes his life to being a professional antisemites white nationalist. Whatever and then Charlottesville happens he is the giving a big public speech as the warm up act for David Duke and his parents in Montclair New Jersey get sent to youtube link and they're like hey. That's her son so that's like one and they are you talked to him. I mean they so this guy. They lose him. I mean there's something similar to like if you've read reporting about like isis recruits there's some there's some there's some real real similarities. I mean he started like spending all his time these online forums and the next thing that he lied to us and then like he changes behavior in the left to go Syria. You know you've read these stories. All the time you know Danish mom weeping you know with the photograph and you know the parents are like they've they just they disown him and they're disgusted and horrified except for he his parents are divorced and his mother stays in touch with him. I mean this is another thing where there's this bifurcated american-arab where there's the father who says well obviously. I can't have anything to do with him. And then there's the mother who says he's my son and we have a political disagreement and I sort I say to her. Oh is this what it is a political disagreement but like he hosted a podcast called the daily Showa just to be clear like he's like he's like way out in the like full out out Nazi Nazi Nazi right. Jews need to be kicked out of the US like right before the debate within their camp is are you full exterminationist exterminationist or are you. They can go to Israel right so that's the debate. That's the political debate. We're talking about and again like a struggle for me. Repertory was to keep my my moral compass intact to the point where I didn't both sides it and I didn't go. Some people have said this is highly controversial divisive rhetoric I didn't I never wanted to go there but I also didn't WanNa. The thing where these people are garbage there irredeemable. They don't have souls like I didn't want to do that because and one way into that kind of like if not empathy empathy then just sort of like keeping my sort of vindictive temptations out of my work was thinking about it from the parents point of view and going like can I really condemn this mother for wanting to stay in touch with her son. I don't know I mean obviously I'm Jewish. I don't like Nazis. I think that like all these it is a time in history when things that don't need to be said need to be said right but like I don't know is that one right answer to how to treat this in a person to person level. The scary thing to me is that when the El Paso shooting happened like this book is one of those books that will stick with you if you read it because so many kind of insights and and phrases and kind of habits and patterns of behavior are are you just start to see them in the world like the El Paso shooter and these eight Chen shooters New Zealand like they're. They're just different iterations. They're they're people who crossed the line violence but there's for every one that shoots someplace up and commits a violent atrocity. There are thousands of people that are consuming consuming the same. We didn't even know we don't know how many I mean. I guess my question is like where does this go the book it is a little bit making the argument that the combination of the system that Silicon Valley has built capitalism is built combined with off some of the original the country vis-a-vis racism and bigotry and prejudice combined with this sort of attentional incentives of the troll culture are like driving inexorably in that direction like more people are going to be swept up in this and the and the country's politics will get more berserk more bigoted the more antisocial to quote the book's title more insane more vile more ugly more debased. Is that the argument the book well. The one level deeper argument of the book is history contingent so things are pointing in that direction now but it is within our power to change change it so that doesn't mean that you have to land on pessimism or optimism it means you have to land on Holy Shit. We have a lot of work to do and that's why I think it's useful. Compare it to the climate crisis or the opioid crisis or the city infrastructure crisis or whatever not just like big problem registered trademark like happy capital p. but like Nick specifically a big problem that we stumbled into through a combination of greed and recklessness and haplessness and a thousand million small human choices that that will only be untangled by a million human choices that dig us out so like in the way that to get us out of the climate crisis. We need to to rebuild our entire economy and society. I think we need to rebuild like how we consume in know and understand the world so we're in crisis right now. That's not good news but it's not that we're doomed to live there. It's that we've built ourselves a really bad system the thing that I have I have a five year old boy and I just think about the combination of the pathologies of Patriarchy and young men and boys and this culture and their exposure to it and the kind of like it's just such a dangerous terrifying cocktail and it's also the case that like throughout history in different societies if you take a lot of like take a lot of young men particularly they don't have other things to do with high rates of unemployment and like you you feed them extremist ideologies channels you give them guns like that's it like you've now accounted for like huge percentage of military conflicts and social social disruption throughout history and society and like long-simmering sublimated conflicts that don't come to a head militarily but countries nonetheless yeah like that's like the Nuclear Bomb Tom of society and we're just creating the conditions for I should say like I too have a young son a little bit younger than yours and I go there in my mind a lot a lot. I also in the way that like you don't have to be like as a father of a daughter like in order to care about feminine you don't have to be an an and I think there are some times people who over personalize it to the extent that they say well. I deleted my facebook account right so I I'm good you know. You still live on this planet yeah so you're not good. I I guess what I'm trying to say. Is that like an emotional level. The pain of its story yeah like if I read the pain of historic ten years ago. I would have been like Oh. That's now like if your parents can you read it. You're like Oh wow oh that's I didn't know until I read this. That's my worst nightmare i. I didn't realize you have introduced but you actually turns out. It was out there my my worst nightmare. Is the story described. I didn't even know that that was my worst nightmare but now I read it and yes. I'm definitively declaring like yeah. This is my I I right. Yes we've inculcated in addition to the white supremacy and Patriarchy and all these other things in our history. We've also inculcated this deeply individualists you. We must chart your own. Course you must ask your own questions. You must not take anybody's answers as your own answers all of which are good things like critical thinking skepticism all deeply some of my favorite things but like most other things if we take the guardrails off and we sort of decontextualize them and throw them into this toxic stew we end up in a place where you can can use all these beneficial tools to tunnel into your own destruction and there's very little that we can do. I mean moral certitude is is a really addictive feeling for reason like despite the fact that I have extremism in my subtitle as like a negative quality online extremists technically tokens pins and the whatever and the hijacking of the American conversation so in that context online extremist is a bad thing. I hold some pretty extreme opinions that I believe to be true. I believe that everyone under twenty five should be certified as class and like sue the American government for making their lives and l'aimable because of climate change like that's an extreme belief right that I happen to think is true right so it's not extremism per say that's wrong. It's like not contextualising it in a larger web of beliefs that has to do with like solidarity and like having a value system and like being being in relationship with other people and wanting to be a person in the world. That's why the personal is political in this world because those kind of like deep emotional longings can lead you to really like tangibly destructive political outcome yeah. That's the that is one of the big. Takeaways is the longings and and the parts of us that this stuff is operating on are totally universal like and we've all been we've all had some little splinter of it whether it some piece of of knowledge that feels like thrillingly contrary or whether it's some addiction to fighting with people on the Internet I. I don't know anything about that the other people. I think I read a do but yeah it's it's not like there's some set of people that have it. It's like we all have it inside us and then we've got the machinery of like a bunch of brilliant engineers and the most well capitalized companies in the world working on keeping their AH keeping you there and put that together with the kinds of sort of political ideologies. We're talking about and get something really powerful. Andrew Marantz is the author of his first book and it's a really excellent one antisocial online extremist techno utopians the hijacking the American conversation definitely go read a Andrew. Thank you so much. Thank you once again my great thanks to Andrew Moran Staffer The New Yorker. The book is called Antisocial Online extremists techno Utopian hijacking jacking of the American conversation is out in two weeks on October eighth but it is available for preorder now and if you happen to come across it you will see that I- blurb the book which is something. I do fairly rarely early. I'm extremely enthusiastic about it. It's a fantastic read. You should definitely go. Check it out if you like this episode. There's a few others that we've done that. I relate there's a very early episode. We did back in two thousand eighteen with Tim. Wu called who broke the Internet. There's an article we did about the sort of power of big tacking particularly the big tech companies that have the most market control with Kashmir hill called blocking big tech back and there's a conversation I had with David Roberts at vox about what we called the information crisis which is all the ways in which our knowledge of the world are being broken down and reconstituted by malefactors in the information ecosystem so all of those are available at our website correction for something I said in the conversation loosening Chino who was the man from Ecuador who successfully got asylum here in the US and told the story I mentioned the Saint Louis which is the famous ship that had refugees refugees German Jews who were attempting to flee the Nazis and were turned away at us port and then eventually some back to Germany and I think I said in the conversation that they were all killed. That's not true there were nine hundred thirty seven passengers on the ship they were denied nine hundred tonight entry in the US in Cuba. They were sent back. They're not Europe Europe. However there were nine seven Jewish refugees who after negotiations were committed entry into Great Britain Belgium France The Netherlands of the six hundred twenty who gained asylum alum in continental Europe five hundred thirty two still remained with the Germans Veda nineteen forty and two hundred fifty four later died in the Holocaust just to get those numbers right they were not all killed. Obviously we still many many many deaths that were ultimately preventable had the US just simply allow these people to gain entrance the US but just wanted to make the factual correction as always you can tweet US Hashtag with body email with pallet at Gino Dot Com. We've been going through your feedback in something. 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What's up with those YouTube conspiracy videos?

Talking Tech

06:18 min | 2 years ago

What's up with those YouTube conspiracy videos?

"Talking tech is brought to you by wicks dot com. With wicks, you can use artificial design intelligence to create a stunning website right from your phone in five minutes or less. Just go to wicks dot com. That's w. i. x. dot com. And create your professional website today. Okay. So you've probably wondered why are all those conspiracy videos on YouTube even when YouTube knows better? Jimmy, Colin professor at malay- college has looked into this and you may have some answers for you on today's talking. Hi, Jamie. How are you. Fill everybody in. Okay. So I think you may have recognized lately. There's been a lot of buzz regarding how videos are being prioritized YouTube feeds. And I think one of the things that came out most recently is a study that was done by pop accolades at data and society regarding something known as the alternate alternative influence our network where she basically Qantas and. The data analysis, hundreds and hundreds of YouTube channels, not in which they what the content composed, but how they connect to one another, which he did in the process by discovering this is she found that the influence or network is actually part of how the algorithm of YouTube operates. And in this hour them, it's really prioritizing watch time or time spent on platform and doing. So it's finding that the more conspiratorial or the more more effective, the video that leads to like a possible doubt or any conspiratorial ideas in mainstream media or the government allows users to stick on the platform longer with. She's also found is that a lot of the users and implementers in these markets have figured out that the album's exploitable. And so now we know we've known this for almost a little over a year. At this point. Some of this rhetoric is fairly dangerous to users, but YouTube keeps responding and saying, well, it's really. Up to the user to find their way and make their way throughout these sites. Not realizing that the average user isn't as media-literate as some of the other ones. And it really leads down a rabbit hole very rapidly. But Alex Jones, who is the king videos? He got booted off YouTube because the pressure was too strong. Yes. So here's something interesting, but Alex Jones and even Milo Yiannopoulos about deep platforming and deep platform became a bit of a buzz very recently deep platforming as the concept of when you pushed the button too far, what is flagging and what does that mean inside of these spaces? And there's really two things to look at when you talk about deep platform and censorship one. And probably the most important is what is free speech and digital spaces. And so Alex Jones was eventually banned for aggressive speech, dangerous rhetoric. But he wasn't at first because he technically wasn't breaching anything that has to do with the rules and regulations of these sites. And that's because the rules and regulations of these sites don't explicitly state something along the lines of what is hate speech or what is dangerous rhetoric, and that allows users to use what we call dog whistles. They could speak to an audience that understands or here's them, but they. Don't actually are. They're not actually saying out loud, something dangerous. And so the platform itself set shrugs his shoulders and says, well, they're not explicitly saying it, therefore we can't get rid of that. So are you sticking? Are you a Steinway from YouTube in general? Because. To be very honest with you. I think YouTube is very easily one of those toxic spaces that is out there. I am. I am. YouTube researcher have been researching it since two thousand five, right? When it started probably Rowlett. First time I saw moody blues. The other August of two thousand five when I was like this, is it, this is what the platform will pay. I really am conscience conscious more of the algorithm itself. So I'm not. I'm not a protectionist of not stay away from you to what I am is trying to teach people to tools or at least let people understand the tools that YouTube uses. So it's not to avoid you too. But to be aware that the algorithm itself, prioritize it's time, and if we are able to use that and wherever we regain our agency and insane, what does it really getting for me time? We have to take a step back like, well, I realize this is how is it taking my time? And really it's about the auto play feature. The problem I have that YouTube if it's not gonna take responsibility, I ending feeding toxic content to its users. Then how do we as a citizen, how to we actually understand how to use the feet properly. And I think that's just a matter of starting fresh feeds every time, don't let the auto play happen. Return auto seed, our auto play than to tell everybody has a turn off out of food. So YouTube being YouTube want to stay on and never turn off without must be your go-to. It's the second largest search engine in the world. So in the upper right corner of every video is a stack. All the next videos that are playing is auto play to the right always do is turn that off from then on defaults off as long as you signed debt that I think that's pretty important because at least at the end of the video, it just stops that allows the user to move onto another search where seek something a little more definitive. But in the auto play, the algorithm itself will eventually feed you something that has manipulated Jimmy Cohen. Molloy college, thanks for filling in YouTube conspiracies. You've been listening to talking tech, please subscribe Sean, Google and apple podcasts. The show on Stitcher to help more people find show and as always. Thanks. Everyone for listening. Talking tech is brought to you by wicks dot com. 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Andrew Marantz on Embedding with the "Deplorables"

Kickass News

1:06:03 hr | 1 year ago

Andrew Marantz on Embedding with the "Deplorables"

"This is kick ASS news. I'm Ben Mathis. Today's episode is brought to you by Kronos kronos provides. HR solutions for the modern workforce and the people who support motivate and engage them they put hr payroll talent and timekeeping on a single cloud based platform learn more about KRONOS HR payroll talent and time at at cronos dot com slash HR swagger that's cronos dot com slash hr swagger and now on with the this show. Hi I'm Ben Mathis. Welcome to kick ASS news for several years. Andrew Marantz a staff writer for the New Yorker has been embedded in two worlds. The first is the world of social media entrepreneurs who acting out of naievety and reckless ambition up upended all traditional means of receiving and transmitting information. The second is the world of the people he calls the gate crashers the conspirists white supremacist apprenticed and nihilist trolls who've become experts at using social media to advance their corrosive agenda now in his new book antisocial online extremist Techno Utopians. In the hijacking of the American conversation Andrew reveals how the boundaries between technology media and politics have been erased resulting in a deeply broken informational landscape the landscape in which we all now live the book ranges broadly from the first mass printed books to the trending hashtags of the present from the secret gatherings of neo-fascists to the White House. Press briefing room and traces how the unthinkable becomes uh-huh thinkable and then how it becomes reality today. Andrew Marantz joins me on the podcast to talk about how he ended up. Embedding with the so-called deplorables bulls and getting a rare insider's glimpse into the pundits trolls and provocateurs who drive the conversation on the outright and even influence our mainstream in political discourse recalls his strange relationship with a right wing media influencers. Who is able to manipulate? America's political conversation spread conspiracy receipt theories and even put words in the mouth of president. Donald Trump. y'All so discusses how Silicon Valley's laissez-faire Libertarianism opened the door or to hate mongers and conspiracy theorists how social media algorithms actually promote that type of content. And why he says it's time for tech leaders to stop hiding behind hind the first amendment. Plus he gets into how one of the worst offenders read it is now cracking down on hate speech. The bizarre story of the Neo Nazi. WHO's married to a a Jewish woman and the pitiful demise of obnoxious right-wing Gadfly Milo Yiannopoulos coming up with the New Yorkers Andrew Marantz in just a moment moment Andrew Drew Marantz is a staff writer at the New Yorker where he's worked since two thousand eleven? His work also appeared in Harper's New York Mother Jones The New York Times and many other publications applications a contributor to Radio Lab and the New Yorker Radio Hour he has spoken at Ted and has been interviewed on. CNN MSNBC NPR and many other outlets Andrew has written extensively for the New Yorker about the alt-right movement and how social media enables and even encourages political hate. Now he's giving a big picture. Look could this issue and his new book titled Antisocial Online Extremists Techno Utopians in the hijacking of the American conversation Andrew. Welcome to the podcast gassed. Thanks for having me. Well you know you are Brooklyn night and you write for the New Yorker. So I'm just guessing that the outright probably not really you're seen uh I'm curious how did you first get drawn into this whole world Yeah this is not I I'm not writing firsthand memoir of how I came to to love and cherish the outright and you know when I showed up in a lot of these spaces I think that was pretty clear like I one. One of the first big scenes in the book is at this inauguration. Party called the deploraball. which is there how? They spent their inauguration weekend. I think most people remember Hillary Clinton sort of saying a lot of trump supporters could be put in a basket of deplorables and that word immediately got reclaimed as like. Yeah we're deplorable. Were proud of it. We're GONNA have a deploraball and so when I showed up there. It was not that mysterious. What I was doing there? Well it wasn't it wasn't like on one hand I think people got okay you write for the New Yorker you have even had one guy who was like very sort of forcefully like what's your deal man and kind of wasn't taking vague the answers and was like I just WanNa know like who you are where you're coming from and I basically said to him like take a look at me. Look at my glasses. I have a singles. Those be bike. Like just take a guess and you're probably fine And in a way that was sort of true in another way that was Kinda cheeky dodge. Right because you know as much as our sort of political landscape would have you believe that you can sort people by all kinds of superficial identities ladies. That's true and it's not true so it's not that I went in there to try to Be completely supportive and sympathetic for all of you know to all of the outright views I think most of their views reprehensible and I say so very plainly in the book It's just that it's I felt that it was possible. Awesome to be accurate. Be Specific about who was this kind of white supremacy to is this kind of Nazi. who was this kind of troll? Who is this kind of nihilist who didn't really have that many beliefs but who was causing manifest damage to our democracy nonetheless and to go beyond that and not just do a kind of taxonomy Zannini of badness on the internet which you know is part of the book but is a very? I really try to go beyond that. Pretty Pretty early on in the book and do a broader order tapestry but that that was possible to do while balancing on the one hand you know sort of factual objective truth telling while on the other hand not forfeiting my my right to have eyes and ears in brain and heart and soul and say when bad shit is happening. I'm going to call it for what it is Yeah and it sounds like the fascination assignation kind of cut both ways because as much as some of these alt-right media trolls profess their deep hate for the quote unquote mainstream media and decry outlets like yours wars the New Yorker. They're almost shameless. In the way that they court you and other media outlets in fact there's a scene in here where I think you were at one of their parties and and they're just all swarming. You've vying for your attention and talk to me talk to me. Did you confront them about this. Apocryphal Yeah well it kind of yes. It's hypocritical but there are so many policies to sort through like who has time for them all. I mean Yeah it was hypocritical. It was also just kinda thirsty as the kids say I mean it was very it was very out in the open and on the one hand. Yeah I can call them out for hypocrisy and I and I did sometimes on the other hand. It's like it made me any sort second guess Why there I was always like it made me second? Guess whether I should always be writing a particular story or whether I should leave let alone because you don't want the the interaction to be to transactional there's always something transactional about journalism ever sure you know. Janet Malcolm has has made a big deal about this John didn't pointed this out. I mean it's it would be naive to think otherwise but you don't want to be too You know sometimes a lot of these. SORTA trolls would approach you. As if like were all in on this. We're all we're all kind of doing the show Biz thing. You're GONNA do your thing I'm GonNa do my thing and I was like I kind of wanted. No part of that Mhm I again. I didn't WANNA be fair. I didn't want to call them. Names that were just made up. But I did want to say like you and I are not two sides of the same coin buddy you know yeah and in some sense. You can't avoid that like in some sense to give any of these people. Attention is to give them that much of a win. Like insofar as you're giving them attention you are giving them something they want. So I can't write that out of the equation. All I can do is make a more complex equation. That goes okay. Attention is one thing. contextualisation is another thing and ultimately like a lot of things did not meet the threshold of me wanting to write about them but sometimes I went. Okay these people around here. They're doing what they're doing. They have massive influence massive appeal even sometimes when they don't sometimes they just have huge audiences like people I read about in the book. Alex Jones Milo Yannopoulos topless. Whatever they they are public intellectual intellectual they are public influential figures? Yeah other times. They might be less sort of visible Zabol publicly but still have a huge influence in a way that's more unseen so largely when when things did meet that threshold it was because my thinking on it was we can turn away from it. We can can ignore it. We can pretend it's not happening. We can not feed the trolls quote unquote. But it doesn't make the influence go away and in fact to take that one step further these people pull are putting out their playbook and it's kind of on us to read it like they are. They are proudly telling us what they're doing and by shielding ourselves from it because it's unpleasant and because it's it's unseemly and because we don't want to give attention to the trolls. We are handicapping ourselves and by US I mean like all people of goodwill who. Don't want bigots and trolls was to take over the national conversation. We are handicapping ourselves by not reading their playbook which is out in the open to read and I wonder you know with all the attention on Russia's Russia's Social Media Influence on the twenty sixteen election. Do you think that we've almost done ourselves a disfavor allowing that to overshadow all of this homegrown trolling. That's been going on in the background. I do. I mean I. It's not to say that we should discount the foreign actors in the states. The the you know the state spying and all that stuff not only from Russia but from Iran Iran and China and all these other places. But I do think that by focusing so obsessively on that some people allow themselves to Shield themselves Dell's from the more unpleasant fact that a lot of their co American citizens are openly. Doing some of this stuff not anonymously not on by you know being in order to do so by an EAP dictator but just because they want to. They think it's fun or they think it's politically advantageous. They WANNA profit from it and I think in a way. That's it's like harder for people to face and but the other the other thing is not only do I think on on any measurable scale the American side of it is bigger and more influential than in the Russian stuff at least the stuff we've uncovered so far. I also think it's like you can drive yourself crazy. I've seen friends do it going. Will maybe he be this dot connects to this dot and may it's like maybe it does man. I'm not GonNa you know. There are conspiracies in the world so there and they are worth theorising about sometimes but the very nature of it is that it seems pretty clear from the evidence we have so far that what the g are you in the IRA and all these Russian entities want is for Americans to be confused fused and gasoline and muddled and thrown around. Why not start with the stuff where people are telling you what they're doing? They're out in the open. You don't need subpoena power you don't I need Robert Muller fine for for you like good point. I sat in these rooms and watch them do this stuff. They were not anonymous. They were not shy about it. Like start with that because that we know is happening. And there's no need to feel spun around gasoline. You could see it for what it is and I want to talk about one of these people who is a little bit less public about what they do and kind of operates in the background but has this enormous influence. Mike Cerna Vich tells a little about him yes so he was one of these people who was totally open with me. Totally fine with with me coming in as living room and just sort of being a fly on the wall watching so you know. He was one of the organizers of the deploraball and there are a lot of people at at this party who were tugging at my sleeve and saying. Hey I'm interesting. Come talk to me and and you know with any of these people as I said it's a calculus so you're trading off various factors. Someone like so. He is a lawyer Who came to prominence during the game or gate movement which there was a version of this early draft of this book where I did like a huge digression about Gamer Gate and then I just ended up cutting it all for various reasons but was too long and it took to Hart took too much time to get into what came gate was but basically it was this misogynist movement that Kinda showed how a swarm of online bigots and trolls and bad actors could affect real world. Change get people fired. Get ads taken down. Get people harassed and swatted and Fear for their lives Sunni which was a big part of that. He was the Gamer Gate lawyer. He was called because he was a guy who had a law degree but through various twists in his life which I document in the book he was unable to practice law because he had rape charge that was hanging over him and Yes so he. He had a very very a lot of these people's lives. And you know it's dozens of people in the book. They're the kind of details where it would sound made up. If it weren't for the fact that it was documented. I mean the fact that the Internet's leading misogynist his life was derailed by a rape charge. Yeah the fact that A lot his first marriage which fell apart he in in the divorce inherited a bunch of facebook stock which then after the IPO made him. I'm a millionaire and that funded his trolling campaigns. These kind of things that if you put them in a novel your editor would be like a little much. You know But the reason that I did again with all these trade offs like even though I found him kind of odious and pathetic in many ways you know he was constantly like sort of like well bro. Like you need to stand a certain way because it really helps your cortisol levels and like all this sort of junk science. Yeah and he's Hawking supplements products. And Yeah. I mean it's all like it's all laughable except for the fact that a it makes them a lot of money 'cause you know snake. Oil Salesmen. Ellesmere have always done pretty well in this country and be not only. Is he doing all that stuff to make himself a buck. But he is having a manifest measurable election Influence on the two thousand sixteen election. So when I I reach out to him it was pre election and I was just sort of like you know. It wasn't only about trump. And would he win. Although I did make a lot of pets with friends that he was GonNa win but I had just this larger sense of like if we can get so turned around if our informational ecosystem can be so warped and perverted that we are that. There are just active influence campaigns to try to make it seem plausible that this clown should be president. And they're working. Then there's something wrong with the informational ecosystem at at a systemic level and so I wanted to use people like certain events and watch specifically and carefully they do not only because I thought it might have impacts on this election or the next election and not only because people could then learn the tricks and try to inoculate themselves and look out for the tricks when they see them. All of that is there. But it's also at a larger level like how have we built a system where this stuff is happening at such a large scale and yeah and you spend some time at his home yet watching watching him sitting at his computer doing his thing walk us through how Mike Cerna rich makes a meme and takes it all the way into the mainstream political discussion Russian. Yeah is it work its way in there. Yeah I did think it was important to track specifically how it happens. I offer a couple of examples but it was literally multiple times a day again against against so like for instance. You know you walk into his house and it's not just him. I should say he's particularly good at it. But there's lots of other people who are echoing the strategies all around the country read all around the world so You know like one. At one of the days I was there and again at the time I was kind of naively like wow this is a big day for him but it was just kinda like anyone who sets laptop and anyone who has put in the time to learn the skill can do it. It's sort of like the flip side of people being like you know you can just like open garage man and make Kosong. It's Kinda like that but like with destroying democracy so He would say like the first day I think I was. Is there There there were a couple of bombs that went off in New York City and nobody knew what it was yet but it seemed like it might be terrorism and he was sort of thinking. Okay if if this is like an immigrant from a Muslim majority country than that would be really good for me. Propagandistic Lee because one of his goals was to shutdown immigration and and to sort of pin that on Hillary to try paint Hillary as the open borders candidate. And so now you see what you get with open borders you get bombings now. None of that really like logically played laid out. It turned out that the guy who planted those bombs was an American citizen. There were like a whole bunch of problems empirically with that. But that doesn't matter so much when you're doing sort insinuation campaigns on the Internet so he opened an IPAD. I was just you know he had this little kitchen table thing and his wife his second can wife was sort of puttering around and making us coffee in you know It was just sort of this nice cozy like they had a she was pregnant at the time they Your dog outside. It was just. It was not the fourteen year old troll parents basement and a relatively normal existence. Yeah and he would sorta say like yeah I just you know destroyed Hillary and this new cycle and nominally gopher hike with my dog and like he was very into that kind of dichotomy so He set up the IPAD on the table. started a periscope video which is this live streaming APP It's owned by twitter and they would His his hardcore fans would gather so it wouldn't be a million people it would be a thousand people but they were the hardcore tournament fans anytime he sends a tweet out they would follow him wherever and they go into this video chat and he's talking at them which is his preferred mode Kind of like man's blaming politics and they are all typing in the comments so some of them are just typing like your cock whatever and then others are typing suggestions on. What should our Hashtag be if we want to inject Hurston if we want to inject checked this insinuation into the news cycle that somehow a- bombing in New York should be associated with why you shouldn't vote for Hillary? How are we going to do it? And and and so it wasn't enough for them to just sort of in some loose unaffiliated way. Just sort of insinuate this they had to do it in a coordinated way so They start throwing throwing around hashtags. You Know Hillary's terrorists hillary as a terrorist Hillary bombs like and they were like. That's not really quite. It's not catchy. It's a little. It's not really believable. L. Nobody really thinks hillary is a terrace so then I think that one and literally they would do this multiple times a day but I think that when they settled on Hilary's migrants and so they would sorta say Okay Hillary's bringing in the migrants. Make sure you spell it without an apostrophe because if you have an apostrophe it'll mess up the Hashtag sort of coordinating this all of which none of this is is against the rules of twitter they were just like they were just sort of like. This is how we do it. We get thousand people. We all agree on the same Hashtag. We all go to twitter at at the same time and start posting and you post things. Ideally things that have images in them that are really visceral. Because one of the things to understand and I kind of broaden out this the whole conceptual framework in the book. Is that the algorithms that underlie twitter and facebook and all these things are built around emotional engagement. They're not they're not a flat at Moore. That tells us what people in the world are thinking. They are warped in all these various ways and one of the ways is that they show They privilege what scientists call high arousal emotion So you know Gee I think I have. Some concerns about foreign policy is not outta high arousal emotion high arousal emotions. It's not sexy. So lost his one A literal arousal. But then there's also you know fear discussed There are positive ones to aw humor but you know the reason. The book is called Antisocial. Is that for a long time. We only thought about the pro social roll like I think of it as like anti socialist stuff that tears down a civic fabric and pro social builds it up and you know we thought for a long time about cat videos and humor and like yeah. Maybe it's a little bit Kinda negligible but at least it's like bringing us together. It was making the world more open and connected and we just totally discounted the ways that antisocial emotions are way easier easier to cultivate in your audience if you want to make people inspired. It's actually pretty hard. If you WANNA make people fearful and disgusted you can do it literally in seconds right. That appeals to our lizard brain exactly and so if you and if you hit the Lizard Brain and the right way quickly I mean because speed also matters then you you can get something trending so I I in this particular case they said okay you know put out photos of Hillary kind of looking mean like she's going to be the open borders person and she's she's GonNa hurt us with that policy. They all go to twitter. They all do that. They get it trending. And then once it's trending on twitter is another thing people don't understand that it seems when you go on twitter. There's this list of trending topics and it seems like. That's just sort of an objective map of right right. Well we're talking about but in fact it's a proprietary algorithm where twitter is showing you things it's personalized to people might see two different lists trending topics and so but to journalists who are twitter's like four journalists basically when journalists see the list of training topics they see it and go. That's a thing now now. This is something I need to write about. Because it's in this sort of official living list list of topics so then you know you have journalists writing about some people out. There are saying that Hillary is the open borders candidate and so then it gets into the bloodstream. Then it's it's on the drudge report from the drudge report. It can go to Fox News from Fox News then. CNN has permission to talk about it. Then the newspapers have permission to talk about it. Like basically lead to the point that I could go open my newspaper. The next day and go search has his fingerprints on this story. I mean are there cases where perhaps even specific words words and phrases went from. cernan bitch is computer. Maybe not directly but eventually to president trump's mouth definitely. Yeah I mean so another one would be Acidic Hilary or Hillary Hillary coughing. or I mean they there was again this this perception and and you know serve. It's just as an example of someone who I was a lawyer was well read. You know he would tell me like I have lots of specific things I could say about her policy toward the Saudis. And you know and actually you sir Another one of these weird details even though he's often perceived as they white nationalist his wife is of Iranian descent and her parents are Muslim Muslim. And so there's all these sort of individual life wrinkles. I mean there are other. There are sort of pretty much out and proud neo Nazis in the book quite right about who have remarried to Jewish women have black adopted siblings and it just. It's just a weird world like it's one of these things that I would not have known if I had done the making it up as I go along thing I would never have been able to predict Yeah you talked to one person who's particularly loathsome among all the deplorables laurels named Mike Enock. He's the founder of something called the right stuff blog and the host of the daily show. PODCAST which is a play on the daily show for I I guess Neo Nazis or something. This guy is a Nazi who I don't know if he talks about exterminating Jews but he talks about certainly getting out of this country and yet he was married or is married to a Jewish woman. How did he and his wife rationalize that I mean rationalize is the right word right? I mean I it's just people buller just extremely weird and messed up like people are I just you know and again like it's very easy for people to hear this stuff and think well. Yeah there have always been a few Nazis around down. And they've always been kind of freaks and weirdoes and you know What does that have to do with me but like I just found over and over again the more of these stories I dug into and and the more resonances I found with the larger world out there? This is not unique like the the extremity of it might be way more than we normally normally see in our daily lives and you know. We don't all have friends who become full Nazis but the the means by which somebody can do things that make no percents that seem contradictory on their face. That stuff is happening all the time and we Kinda tell ourselves this story that you know people have their beliefs. They have their politics. You know after after all these people voted for a black president. How could they be racist? You know all this stuff that like it just doesn't hold up under scrutiny. So that's why I really tunneled into some of these stories is like that particular guy. He grew up in part of New Jersey. That was very kind of you know pastoral kind of like suburban multicultural landscape He his parents were both professionals. You know both academics. Actually his father taught Beowulf Ahah Wolf and his mother was a college president and they just Stumm he was. I mean many many things were going on in that I get into a lot more detail detail but basically he was like addicted to train them He. Yeah that's really interesting because I I think that for someone like you who does not really fit in with this is crowd. That was in a weird way. Sort of your window to relate to these people because you talk about When you were kind of angst ridden teen was always Cynical goal and contrarian and that was kind of the way you related to them absolutely. Yeah and so it wasn't it wasn't like a relating to them fully. Like oh I totally get you and unlike comfortable with what you do but it was a way in to sort of see like because again. It's very easy to character this stuff and distance ourselves from it and go. What in God's name does that have to do with me and I think we ignore that at our peril and so one of my ways in was to say okay? I don't think I ever would have been a full Nazi. Like being Jewish kinda makes that inconvenient. But like if I had been you know I think we all go through these kind of like angsty teen rebellion. Vases I certainly did and I had all these phases where I was like well. I don't know what I am but I'm not what all you mother fuckers around me are like I'm not your sort of nor me Abercrombie Crombie wearing like I'm my own thing and I didn't know what my thing was. That isn't who it was in opposition to that and I feel like if I had been in that delicate space of you know being an eighth or ninth grader. Going through that and I had a computer in my pocket. That could give me whatever answers I wanted to any questions I wanted and could shock me until late me and make me feel like I had special secret knowledge that was known. Only to me and my secret cohort of enlightened people and everyone around me was benighted and stupid I think some version of that might have been really appealing. I don't know if it would have been the full Nancy version and I I think maybe I would have been able to find my way out of it eventually but I just I don't know yeah. Yeah and you talked to other people who are maybe not full on Nazis but what they refer to as the light and among those people like Milo Yiannopoulos us who is or was sort of this provocateur an outright gadfly who for awhile became something of a celebrity and I wonder do you think that he and people like Mikey knock really believe anything or is it just all about getting a reaction and growing their brand as as they say. Yeah I think Milo beliefs nothing I think the people like Enoch are are actually hard core ideologues. Oh you did so. I think there's a whole spectrum where I would actually put them on opposite Poles. That's okay I think I think my low is I mean he. He passed himself after Mariah Carey. That that's what he told me he wants to be famous. He wants to be fabulous. He wants to wear designer clothing. I mean one of the things I've found in in looking back through and again these are all these all. These people are all examples and archetypes and I I want to always remind people that like even though individual people might fall off the radar like Milo for example. His career is effectively over. He has nowhere else to turn. He's been banned from every platform. He's become national punchline rightly so I mean. He is a punchline of a person. But that doesn't mean that the next person can't come along and be a little bit more savvy. I mean it's similar to the trump thing it's like. Trump will eventually go away but there might be a newer savvier version that would actually be more effective and just be the a little bit less flamboyant about it so I think it's similar with with someone like Milo. We sometimes like our little too premature to dance on the grave of these individuals rather than thinking more systemically systemically so but yeah when I went back and looked at his stuff. You know the one thing. He seemed consistent about was free speech. Absolutism free speech for everyone. I can say whatever I want. And then you go back like two years into his record of deleted blog posts and he's writing about how online trolls need to to be regulated. Because they're so dangerous and so yeah so the there's very very little consistency there but with the with people like on the more You know the outright outright ideologues the propaganda the people who are doing what they call white nationalism two point Oh trying to take you know the old David Duke style thing and put a more web savvy sorta a new face on it. I think those people are are often converts to to an ideology that is. It's almost like a like a religion with them like they are super hardcore data. Uh and one thing that you talk about in here is how people like Mikey. Knock and others have this routine of they throw something hateful or antisemitic out there and then they sort of retreat and say oh it was just a joke lighten up. Everything's to see these days. Yeah and yet as you point out in the book the things that they say get get inserted into the discourse and gradually begin to push the boundaries of what's acceptable in our culture. Yeah absolutely I mean that that to me. That's why you know so the the subtitles online extremists techno utopians. And the hijacking of the American conversation. And we're you know. The online extremist part is pretty easy the technique. Toby and stuff you know we can get get to about how the the the kind of founding myths of these companies allowed this stuff to flourish but the American conversation thing it gets thrown around as Kinda cliche and it and it is but like there is nothing foreordained about what the American discourses going to be it has for for the majority of American history been extremely terrible in many ways. I mean the. The founding documents of this country were built to protect slavery savory and you know a a document is nothing but a record of a conversation. Like it's it's just words so I think we have had this tacit myth for a long time that the arc of history bends toward justice and you know ultimately in the long run progress will be made made as if it were this kind of automatic thing when actually things can be pushed in a positive or a negative direction. And what we decide to do as is a polity is a product of what we believe in how we talk to each other. I really on a deep level believed that So it's not just like oh the chatter better of you know the the chattering classes like yes a lot of. There's a lot of parts to the conversation and some of those parts can be dismissed in various ways. But what what we decide to do socially politically civically. Whatever is a product of these kinds of conversations and when you talk about the overton window this is this concept that is borrowed from a public policy? Think tank but I think you know has broader implications policy can only happen if it is conceivable and the overton window. Is this metaphor to describe. You know things inside the window are things that are thinkable and they might be there toward the edges. They might be you know fringy or controversial controversial. If they're in the center they might be so obvious that you don't even have to debate them. And if they're outside the window there unthinkable unstable and the project of the outright and to some extent accent the light is to push the boundaries of the overton window or just sir break the sashes of it all together to the point that their ideology can be he comes salable so it might still be controversial in might not be implementable. They might not be you know all sorts of swarming into Congress two years from now but they see themselves themselves as kind of visionaries innocence and in terrifying since they see themselves as broadening. The conversation to allow for things like well. Well why should we be a multi-ethnic democracy. Why can't we be an ethnos state and the answer to that is not well? We can't possibly be because it's written in the constitution. Actually the constitution says we should be a way to stay. And we've just been trying to move beyond that for the entirety of American history. So I mean I don't WanNa a free people out too much but like we're kind of you know we don't have as much of a safety net with this stuff as we like to We have norms. We have conventions we have traditions traditions but norms can be rewritten And I want to talk about this other aspect of the book. which is you get into? How social media companies have mostly inadvertently facilitated outright provocateurs and you get into the techno Utopian philosophy that has guided many of the social media entrepreneurs? Tell us a little about that So what I mean by techno utopianism. Is this notion. It's kind of related to this. It kind of myth about the arc of history always binning toward justice. Is this notion that you know we're GONNA make the world more open and connected as the facebook Mato went. We're GONNA move fast and break things as as the other. Facebook Mato went kind of almost whatever we do. As long as we're connecting people and kind of unleashing more freedom onto the world there might be bumps in the road but ultimately it's going to land landed a better place and that is like that's a myth like any other myth. There's no real reason to believe it. you're not on some tracks that they're just leading you inexorably in the right direction. It's like a wide open field and you know you could run off a cliff. Like bad things could happen. And when you have this faith in technical utopianism awesome you know from these companies were founded in two thousand and four to five ish until more than a decade later. There was really very very very little pushback. I mean there was really this decade of kind of this Golden Halo around these guys that you know. We put them on. Magazine covers. Say The great innovators and of course they're innovative. Of and of course their thing. You know the the the products they build have positive ramifications Arab spring Arab spring black lives matter there are these social movements that Karadzic these things that would have been impossible. Otherwise we're we're if not impossible they would have been hampered otherwise. But it's just it's just folly to think that any great innovation vacation in human history can have only social effects and no anti-social effects is just not how it works and with any other big industry were very quick to say like you know. It's really nice that we're able to use these swords to you. Know beat the British in the revolutionary war but like is there anyway that sorts could become dangerous. Like there's no. We're very good at like seeing both sides of the coin. It's it's really nice. That doctors can prescribe pills to help people with their pain. But like is there something bad that could happen with that. We're not naive and other areas of our lives and yet you you see so much pushback when you say to people opening up in freeing and democratizing speech in toppling all the old informational systems could have negative effects. No will you just hate free speech like no. It's really really not that it's just like we gotta think about it in a more complex multifactorial way. Yeah and it's interesting that you know a lot of these tech leaders or big swinging brains as you call him the book they spend tons of time and energy tackling other big problems problems that probably don't even exist yet like hostile ai and ending death. But they're so flippant in fatalistic about this one in problem that's largely within their control. Exactly yeah and I and I have a couple of scenes in there of some of these big swinging brains as I say it's sort of a play on the Michael Lewis thing of big swinging dicks and You know he that's what he calls. These bankers I think it I call them big swinging brains. Because I think they're not only about you know accruing money and in wealth and power although they love that that stuff at but they're into they WANNA be luminaries and they WANNA have you know they want people to turn to them and say what do you think about whether we should colonize meteors. What do you think about whether we should you know whether you know? Death is a curable disease. What do you think you know? And they invest huge amounts of time and energy she and money into solving those in many cases literally unsolvable problems. And yet when you say hey you guys moved fast and broke things and one of the things you broke his media media and not only media like hey. It's hard for the Huffington post to make a living but like media like everything about how we know in see and understand and appreciate the world around us. You guys broke that. Could you try to fix that. They're like oh it's an impossible problem. There's nothing to be done. People just want what they want and you know. The market's always right and I just find it so bizarre and hypocritical and just implausible on its face and yet because we had ten years of this sort of halo effect. You still hear people making these arguments on the left and the right All kinds of people making these kind of weird apology arguments for these companies. And what would you have them. Do like come on these. These are people who are telling us they can fix climate change. They can fix education system. They can't fix media like we and I think it's an and I also I and I I'm kind of trivializing it but like if we don't fix the media problem. We can't fix any of those other problems Tom if we don't fix the the national conversation to go back to the subtitle if we don't fix the way we talk and think and operate in the world because make no mistake. What you see online affects how you think how you operate how you behave how you vote if we don't fix that we can't do the difficult stuff of fixing the climate fixing denuclearizing figuring out new energy sources like that stuff requires a common set of facts? A common set of emotional valances requires a functional final marketplace of ideas. Yeah which is the thing they broke and one of the biggest breeding grounds for the most vile content hate speech conspiracy Baresi theories all kinds of offensive stuff has been read it and for the longest time. It was the space where anything goes you've spent some time with the CO founder and CEO. Steve Huffman at this point. Does he express any regrets about read. Its role in facilitating. That kind of stuff. Yeah he does and one of the reasons I spent so much time with him in an an embedding in the offices of read it is that he is one of the few people in this world who is willing to change his mind about stuff and speak about that openly There are a few reasons that I found it interesting. One is just massively influential. It's it's you know by the numbers. It's bigger than twitter. It's bigger than net. flicks is just. This is in terms of web traffic is I didn't realize that. Yes someone who spends a lot of time in Sub Reddit Jab well. It's just a huge. I mean a lot of us aren't aren't I wasn't but I was just like by the numbers this thing is just huge and it's also it plays a key role in the kind of mean ecosystem when a lot of things bubble up from there that then sorta takeover everywhere else And yet it's like and I mean another practical reason was that they were. We're willing to give me access as a journalist in a way that very few companies are I mean if you go to snapchat or twitter facebook and say hey I just want to hang around and see whatever I see the and just write about it. They're like how about you go and take a long walk after a pair and you tried and we're exactly exact- every major social media platforms. I had to to try and this was remember back in the day when they were giving nothing. Now they'll give you a little tour and they'll bring you to a meeting. Whatever but back then it was nothing so oh because I think now all the stuff is broken out into the open I mean back then it was like it wasn't entirely a secret but I I was sniffing around stuff that they were still hoping to keep entirely in the closet But yeah read. It was just like yeah you can kind of just hang around. And that's the kind of reporting I really liked to do. I really like to just be a fly on the wall and see things as they happen. So that's what I was doing with the online extremists and that's what I was doing with Techno Utopians and when I did it with the red at people they were yet so started by these. Two Guys Steve Huffman Alexa Hainian Huffing came back after ten years he he started it in two thousand five he left and the analogy I make is to a big warehouse party. You know you kind of start. This big party opened up the doors. You don't card anyone you kind of just say here you feel like freedom freedom no rules do whatever you want and then you leave for ten years and then you come back and there is a few hundred million people at your party and there right. Doing this insanely horrific stuff and you're the cops are rating. Yeah Well No. The cops aren't reading the problem. So then yeah it's just people just lighting stuff on fire and you're like how did this happen exactly so yeah. He does express regret about that. He doesn't sort of say like you know we should just shut down the Internet. But he says yes. I was naive. I was Kinda like cocky. Young Techno L. Libertarian. I just sort of thought that the marketplace of ideas would work itself out. I just thought that like you know the way read works. It's very simple mechanics uploading downloading and I basically thought if I gave people up Aaron Down Arrow and there were enough people there they would The wisdom of the crowd would sort of help all the cream rise to the top. Notice when you start talking to this stuff it all becomes cliches right because we're talking about our beliefs rather than like actual evidence Bryce so he sort of believed like. Oh the good stuff will rise to the atop because people will upload it. Sometimes that happens sometimes didn't and then when he came back into fifteen he said okay new sheriff in town actually old sheriff back in town with a new ideology. I'm a little more grown up now. I'm in my thirties. Instead of in my twenty s I still love you know freedom of information formation and I still love people expressing themselves on the Internet but some things are out of bounds. And so he didn't you know read. It is still pretty raw place. It's a place where people swear are a lot and have a lot of really snarky memes. And there's there's even pornography on some parts of read it it's not. It's not like a kind of sanitized. Hodgin is feel like facebook but he he did sort of say if you have a suburb called fat people hate that is devoted to hating fat people. and You keep you know showing again and again that you are only interested in promoting emoting hate and fear and you know maybe you're dachshund people. Maybe you're doing all these unacceptable things. I'll give you a few warnings. And then if you keep violating the rules I'm shutting your thing down interesting listing. What is their policy? What kind of things do they deem now unacceptable that might get banned while the policies keep evolving so like for instance In two thousand seventeen pre CHARLOTTESVILLE. So you know. There's obviously this big margin Charlottesville Virginia with a bunch of white supremacists holding torches Steve Huffman Alexa Alexa. Hanan just happened to be alumni of the University of Virginia which is the campus where that protest happened so in addition to Just being American can citizens who are were offended by this as everyone was they were Tripoli offended because not only were they alumni of the University of Virginia they were also so The the the founders of this platform where a lot of these people were organizing to to make this rally as big as it was so they were like okay. So t t to your question about how the policies are written previous to Charlottesville. They had a policy against violent content and it was pretty narrowly tailored it was like no content that incites violence. I forget the exact right. There was no content that incites encourages violence and then after Charlottesville they said A. We need to be much more vigilant about things that were already in violation of that policy that we weren't cracking down on so right from Huffman and his own plane on his wife is seeing these images of news articles about the Tiki torches and he is chatting with his employees saying if these people are anywhere on read it. I want them gone His quote was nukem. Wow and they said Steve. You seem a little emotional Let's talk about this on Monday. This is like on Saturday and then he came in on Monday and said Yeah. I was a little emotional. But frankly like I think it's better to have an emotional response bounce to Nazis marching than to not have emotional response to that but also you know yeah nukem isn't really policy like how are we going to make this policy so they did a couple of things they they shut down some of the groups that were already in violation of their violent content policy where they were just openly celebrating. The fact that a protester had died. Detroit's villain that you're a few. There was a sub reddit where the top post was. It's really great that this woman died and they were like okay you're gone And that sub had actually get into it in the book that was a suburb called physical Michael Removal and it was based on this whole philosophy. I mean even hesitate to use the word philosophy but it was basically there. Was this German philosopher who was such a hard core libertarian and Arco capitalist that his philosophy was if there's anyone within your community who is is violating your social order than you need to physically remove them So essentially justifying homicide in the name of his liber town terrible and so this was is in the early days of read it. This would have been like well. You're just talking about philosophy now. It was like yeah. No you're not going to you. Don't get to talk talk that shit here and it was. I think it was hard for people like Huffman because he came he still. Has That Techno Libertarian. Ethos in his bone somewhere so I think there was a part of him that said. Is there going to be a slippery slope here if we can't talk about violence than what if we wanna talk about the Bible. The Bible has violence in it but then the other part of him went. Like none. Where you're gonNA shut this down and like I don't suggest anywhere in the book? Any of this stuff is easy that there are sort of a hundred percent right answers that anybody can find. I certainly can't but That doesn't mean that you are paralyzed with fear. And you don't do anything so So they got rid of that and then they they sort of had a few weeks where they were trying to rewrite their violence policy to say not only stuff that outright incites encourages violence in band. But also we're going to ban things that glorify violence things that they added some verbs to the policy and then they let me watch watch that process and talk to everybody who's involved with it but they also said you should be here on this set of days and so I went to San Francisco to be there and they said okay. Today is the day. We're GONNA actually get rid of all this stuff so they all got in a room and open their laptops. Wow and sat down and got a bunch of free snacks. These companies love a free snacks and said okay. This sub reddit called kill the Jews. That one's gone this Abrek called kill the Jews J. O. S.. That one's also gone this one. Actually that one has swastikas but they're in more of a historical context. That one can probably stay okay and so it was very like human in messy approach like bunch of a bunch of people you know. Twenty eight year old sitting in a room deciding and like it's really weird and uncomfortable to be in that room. It's very it's like. Oh you guys are just deciding who gets to speak and who doesn't but it's also like I'm not sure that we have a better alternative right now and then we can think long term term about how to build better alternatives. But right now these people are gatekeepers whether they like it or not and so they just have to be good at being gatekeepers And now that sites like Reddit and facebook and twitter are finally beginning to act on these things. You have people like Milo Yiannopoulos and Alex Jones and many others who have been banned from most social social media I think Laura Loom or even got banned from Uber and lift for saying something offensive. And you say that the deplorables assumption up up to now has been that there would always be some new social media platform for them whenever they got banned from the mainstream ones like twitter facebook. Whatever as that been the a case or are they starting to run out of places to go It's a good question. So they'll never entirely run out. So I think people like Milo and Luma and those people who have just I mean Laurel Moore has made this part of branding. She calls herself the most banned woman in the world or something and you know she wears that as a badge of honor to her fans. Now it's kind of like Xenos Paradox. Next thing like you can you can get her to not be able to radicalize the the mass public by getting her off the mass public platforms them but but She's still on. I think she's still telegram. Nobody ever gets kicked off telegram. Nobody ever gets kicked Gab. There are certain I've never even heard of these. This is the thing that they're they're they're so they're the trade off is these are smaller networks uh-huh but they they brand themselves as hardcore free speech. Absolute Okay Netflix. Would still that thing thing of they may only get one thousand views but then it gets disseminated events. They're going to be the hard core of the hardcore and these platforms are so devoted to free speech. They can really push the boundaries. Andre so you can be on telegram and essentially threatening violence. I mean there are lists that people pass through telegram of you know here are a bunch of Jewish journalists and we're going to try to find out where they live and Oh my God. Yeah so yeah telegram you know it is not an American company. It's it's it's registered in Russia and so they just say free speech so The trade off is it's smaller. The community is smaller but it gets more and more Radical and more and more hardcore in. It's you know it's sort of hunkered down and festers I mean Gab is where The shooter the Guy who shot up a synagogue in Pittsburgh he was on Gab. Oh Yeah I mean there's there's you know H N is down right now but when eight Chen comes back it's going to be one of these places so you know so. The problem was never entirely gone. And I do think on the whole. I mean it's case by case but I think generally on the whole when something truly shouldn't shouldn't be on a platform like reddit or twitter facebook and when it's clearly violating those rules when it does get removed I think on the whole it. It is a net benefit. Because because a it's it's violating the rules and be it does shrink the audience. I mean people like Alex Jones just are making a lot less money now and yet. I wonder under because you just today. I guess I saw that Laura Ingram on Fox News last night was starting to talk about of all things. George Kent's huge water bottle after the first impeachment hearing and it was just so weird off topic that it made me wonder if that might have begun as assertive itch me or something from another one of these outright characters. Have you seen any evidence that some of these same outright media trolls are trying to drive the conversation on impeachment but now oh for sure yeah. They're always trying to there was trying to spin things. They I mean the word narrative. I haven't gone back and counted but I think the word narrative must be one of the words words that appears most frequently in the book because they're constantly talking about narratives. How are we going to own the narrative? How are we gonNA spin our narrative Sometimes it's an innocent thing like the George Kent Water bottle thing. I actually saw that on many many parts of twitter. I saw lots of lefty twitter. Yeah it was just like what's the deal with the water bottle it's Laura Ingraham's picking up on it but I mean I could just as easily really been you know Rachel maddow picking up on it. I think when you see other things like Laura Ingraham talking about you know rootless cosmopolitan elites or globalists'. Or whenever I know some of the some of the alright people see that and go. Oh she's talking about Jews and really. Yeah those are all code for Jews. Now I don't know that that's what she he is intending. I don't I have no way of proving that I mean it's also again because we just live in a weird terrible time line. You know. Stephen Miller likes talking about Rootless Cosmopolitan Elaine's and Stephen Miller is Jewish but he also likes nodding to the Jake you ride. They play to their audience. Play their audience. Yeah and so when I would ask some of these neo Nazis. ABC's why is Laura Ingraham talking about cosmopolitans and globalists on Fox News. They would say. Oh that's a nod to the J J Q means Jewish question. Wow so that's how they see it and when you know if you go as I recommend you don't do to visit you know Nazi propaganda sites like the daily storm. They think the Tucker. Carlson is the most important enforcement on their side. They think Tucker Carlson is their biggest hero. There had a weird thing a few years ago. I had of all people vicinity Fox on the show and he was doing his whole F. trump saying in August. Yeah Yeah and they picked up on a picture of him and me and somehow it got disseminated on what does it on daily stormer and they started talking about. Oh this been mathis. He's a Jew. I'm not Jewish. She's like I'm just wondering like where in the world are they coming up with this stuff. Yeah I mean it's a very interesting mix of sometimes. They know that they're putting out disinformation sometimes times they're just confused. I mean the Jew thing is such a weird. I did not expect for this book to be about antisemitism. I didn't expect I went into this thinking in a way I went into this thinking as a white guy my contribution to this can be that I can kind of infiltrate these spaces aces. And they'll let me in. Because I'm a white dude Sis Heterosexual male white guy. When I got there in some in some circles that was true in the more all light circles that was true and when I was like going into the White House briefing room with some of these trolls and when I was going to dinner parties that they were having in DC and then in those circles it was true? And when I was talking to Breitbart people and but then when you get out into the Nazi territory they don't think come white they they They are very very committed to this notion that Jews are not white Jews are these devious shape shifter who can seem to be white. Wow and that they can claim whiteness when it suits them and they can tell him victimhood non white status when it suits. So they're they're the. They cleaned some very very old school. Stereotype like nineteen seventeenth century. Stuff like protocols of the elders design. And they and it's I was sorta like really like you guys got to update date your code here like this soup or quaint laughable stuff and yet it is core to their cosmology in ways that I lay out like in ways that I had to piece together. It does kind of help them explain things that they couldn't otherwise explain like there are a lot of these things where you go. Okay everything in this world view is wrong but it still has an internal coherence And it has. They have things that they feel that they need to explain to themselves. And a lot of these bad ideas are like very efficient. Autumn's razor ways of explaining otherwise inexplicable things and the Jews. The Jews helped them with a lot of those things. Now we winning to get into all of it but basically when they were chanting in Charlottesville they were chanting to things. You will not replace US meaning like non whites and in June will not replace us and when I saw that they were going back and forth you will not replace. Jews will not replace us and I was kind of like you think you're being replaced by Jews. Jews like there just. Aren't that many Jews in the country. Like why are you. You think your jobs are being taken by us and then I was like no. That's not at all what they mean. They mean that there is a concerted effort. It's really protocols of the Elders of Zion. There there is a concerted effort that the Jews are masterminding to create a multi-ethnic coalition. That they can then rule to drive down white majority strength and power and then allow non whites with Jews at the center of it to rise. It's a much longer. Yeah I get into it but basically I was surprised at the amount that that mattered to them and I was surprised at how bad they were at piecing together to your point about like who is or isn't Jewish like if if if the whole contribution that you're offering to your audience is that you can help them figure out where the Jews are and what they're doing and how they're operating and they're they're big obsession naming the Ju- if that's your like value add that you're offering to people. Why are you so bad at it? I had one guy actually Mike you doc when I reached him yeah I was going to his family. I talked to his dad. Who had disowned him? I talked to his mom who they were divorced and his mom had not disowned him. His mom was actually sending him new shirts because she knew he was going to be on TV Charlottesville and she wanted him to look good. And so these were the two kind of polls of wow how you react and like I was trying again journalistically. I was trying to be like I actually don't know how I would react if my son was a white. Supremacist like what. I never talk to him again. What I be like? Yeah make sure you text me and make sure you're safe and I don't know wow so I kept talking to both sides of family I yeah and I still to this day. Don't really know Oh. And then as I was talking to both sides of the family he caught wind of it and Kinda called me on my cellphone and very sort of aggressively. It was like I know what you're doing. We should talk. That's Kinda scary. It was a little scary. And was he. He records everything for his podcast. So I was like okay so I'm being recorded and he kind of he's asking me where I live like it was meant to be a little bit menacing. Wow and when scary when we eventually did meet up this flashing forward but when I eventually okay we talked and I said we should meet up in person he said. Let's meet at this bar and when I got there it was a German beer hall. Awhile and spooky. Yes so it's like he's trying to get in your head yeah so By that point I was just like I. Just think. You're Kinda pathetic Let's sit at this German beer hall and drink clear like it's fine And he like wanted to talk to me about Israel and it it was like no. I'm good I I'M GONNA have to debate Israel when I at my next state or I don't need to debate it with you so I But in that first phone call when he kind of reached me and he actually I actually he said what I said. I can't talk right now. I'm eating lunch and I don't like to lie but I lied to him. He I said what are you eating and the real answer was Bagel and lox and I did not want him to have that audio on his podcast so I just said I'm eating a salad but then later we talked and to your point about. They don't even know what they're dealing with. We talked for a long long time hours. And I'm going through I actually. I had had him on speakerphone and my wife was in the other room. And she I kept. I kept doing this thing to draw people out. Apparently I didn't realize at the time that I did this but when people were talking as has a journalist you want to get them to keep talking. We're in the same room so you're like nodding and making eye contact when you're on the phone. You can't do that so I kept saying Ri- right right right. I didn't realize I I was saying this so he was like this is why agreement. Yes so he was like this is why we need to drive all the half breeds back to where they come from right right and my wife. He couldn't see rowing. Your is my wife was like stop agreeing with the Goddamn Nazi. So we're doing that. And then he's in the middle of explaining to me why there's this book really need to read. That's going to explain why the Jews are actually and he wasn't always woke on the Jewish question as he put it He wasn't always read build on the J. Q.. And obviously he wasn't because he married a Jewish woman so he couldn't have been but now he gets it now he knows and this is the book that opened his eyes as he's recommending the book to me he goes we. You're not a Jew are you you are you serious dude. Your this is your job. Yeah no who wear the Jews are you on mm job. He had one job and like Google me. Look at me. I'm not a secret. I'm not a crypto Jew. I have a Jewish name. I Have Jewish face. I've written for Heeb magazine have written for Tablet Abbott magazine. Step up your game. Wow but then you know then we kept talking for a lot. We've talked many times after that. Wow I mean now that the light has started started to be shined on people like him and kind of the all light social media figures and some of the bad actors have been exposed and banned from platforms Silicon Valley seems to be taking a little bit more seriously. Are we in any better shape going into this next election. I don't think so I think in some ways there are. Our individual consumers have gotten a little bit wiser a little bit Savvier but then there are other consumers who haven't or there are new consumers who it's an an arms race Renzo. You have some people who go. Oh I know certain tricks when I see them and actually do think in some small way part of what. I'm hoping to contribute is to sort of tip people off to certain types of spin and misinformation and seeing kind of Proto hate speech as it arises. So in that sense like you can. Can you can educate yourself in another sense. It's very easy to throw up your hands and say it just sounds like everything is manipulable right and I'm just going to tune it all out and that's not a good solution either or just say well. I'm just GonNa log off and then everything's GonNa be okay. We still like at a broad systemic level we have built a bad informational ecosystem for ourselves. Yourselves we just. It's not it's not working at a fundamental level so there are things at the margins we can do that individually. You can educate yourself and know do things when you see it you can also you know. FACEBOOK can implement new policies. It would really help if facebook. Maybe didn't take down all political advertising but but tried to limit how much it can be micro targeted and how much it can be manipulated. There are things that we can do and some of that is being done. Some of it's not but the larger larger project of this book is a Reductio ad. ABSURDUM is what I call it like. Showing how if we wanted functional informational landscape. It's not the one we have At a deep level like what these algorithms are fundamentally incentivizing is drunk driving us in a lot of really warped directions. And that's not GonNa Change before twenty twenty or I found this book absolutely fascinating and in a way. I think you really do service here again. 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George Carlin Gets Quoted in the Supreme Court: Ridiculous Stand-up Stories with Wayne Federman

Ridiculous History

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George Carlin Gets Quoted in the Supreme Court: Ridiculous Stand-up Stories with Wayne Federman

"Before we get started. Folks. It's important to know that this episode contained some strong and explicit language that may not be suitable for all the listeners. So if you've got your kid os in the crowd, this might not be the episode for them, we thought about censoring it. But we decided we couldn't not in good faith because this episode is fundamentally about free speech and language. We hope you enjoy. Welcome back to the show, ridiculous historians. Thank you for tuning in. If you check the headlines or the title of your podcast before you, listen to them, you will know that this is episode two of a two part series. If you have not heard episode one, please don't delay. Click. Pause goal isn't episode one. You want to catch up? Hi. I'm ben. Hey, it's me. No. And all my microphone at glory. You sound wonderful friends, my dulcet tones dulcet tones. Yeah. So we had as we said a little bit of a technical difficulty in the first episode. Yeah. Hopefully, you could hear me bleeding into another Mike. But it's just not as high fidelity is this listen to me leaning into the Mike well done. So we are of course, always accompanied by a super producer to help us. Save the show today that is our guest super producer, Paul deck and. However, we still hold a very special place in our hearts for our super producer, Casey, panic Linton. Swinging or step, and we are also joined today by our incredible guest. Wayne Federman who had some incredible things to say about the history of stand up, the storied careers of Lenny, Bruce and today, specifically, George Carlin and without further ado, let's get the show on the road. This is this is incredible aim still like, it's amazing. This all happened. When I was a kid. So it's just it was just great George Carlin. Again, who was you know, beneficiary of Lenny BRUCE'S, expanding expansion of language numbers. A number of game comedians like it allowed red Foxx and Richard prior to speak in their street vernacular without getting arrested, and I'll just like, I don't know. This is the way I talk on the corner wanna making people laugh, I think I can bring this on stage. But Carlin was like, I don't know what indecent or. Means exactly. So I'm going to come up with the list of words, you can never say on television. And those words I'm gonna say, I'm right now do this in order. It's shit piss fuck cont cocker motherfucker and tits. So that is that was the original bit of his. And he later was like it's weird that I put motherfucker in there because I already said fuck earlier, which is a version of it. But he just liked the rhythm of it. And I just need to say this 'cause it's very important to the whole story George Carlin didn't want to be a comedian George Carlin wanted to be a famous actor movie star. And his idol was a guy named Danny Kaye. And Danny Kaye was known for these very twisty songs and speeches where he would have high level. Verbal acuity. Yeah. Yeah. Just in general quick. I'm so glad you mentioned Danny Kaye, Wayne because he's he is one of the. Actors I loved growing up especially in the original version of Walter Mitty. So it's holy familiar with that turn of phrase. So that that was carlin's sort of northstar for while one hundred percent, it was his northstar until he realized that he hated acting or kind of the reasons that we spoke about earlier that he was just he didn't like thority. No, like, if there's a director on set tell him to stand here and say this he's not gonna like that. He didn't realize at the time. It was like, oh, I've rather just right and say my own stuff, you know, and be completely free of even when he hosted Saturday Night Live. He said to Lorne Michaels. I don't wanna be only sketches I don't want to rehearse these things. Can I just do my comedy? And you know, bring my brain and my mouth and that'll be good. That'll be good. And he's the first host of the first Saturday Night Live in you know, what nineteen seventy five believe. So anyway, so that's that ended his Danny catering. But this bit. The shit piss fuck cocker motherfucker and tits has a certain Gilbert and Salvin rhythm to it that he loved and that was part of the bit that what made that as well as these words. So anyway, he did this bit on an album called class clown came out in nineteen seventy two the next year. He does another album called occupation full. And the expands on it. And he calls it. The filthy words. This is what happens there's a public radio station or not publicly at Pacifica. And what is that? How would you describe Pacifica that network college? Yeah. Yeah. They're certainly not like a top forty. They're kind of alternative for their day. You know, right progress. I would say progressive radio station. There we go New York again in New York, you know, the vanguard of progressivism WBAI, and they're doing a whole thing about just language and the hypocrisy of language, and where's this thing? And so they play filthy were. Which is kind of an expansion talks about shit a lot shit face. You know, she shit kicker and all of that some guy named I can't John Douglas. I just I don't remember that. But I wrote it down he hears it in his car with his fifteen year old, son. Again, we're going to go back to remember that statute. Yeah. You and others and he calls the this is in the middle of the afternoon, they play it. And WBAI says look this might be offensive. But I just he's just talking about words just using words to talk about words and our language so he caused the FCC logic complaint. The FCC says you're going to get a Mark on your record. I think some people said it was one hundred dollar fine. Other people said, no, I'm not sure and basically WBAI Pacific radio says I'm going to sue the FCC and say this is unconstitutional because of the first amendment for playing this George Carlin bit on the air at two o'clock on a Tuesday afternoon in nineteen seventy. Three any questions. We're with you so far, but the sounds like sounds like it's about to get quickly out of control. Right. Guess what? The US court of appeals in Washington DC. You may be familiar with that court. Brad Kavanagh was just on that court, Merrick garland is on that court that's considered highest up to right below the supreme court the penultimate court, right? Yeah. They agree with Pacifica. They're like, yeah. This is too. Broad a definition. What's insi- in indecent or obscene, and we're going to strike down this fine or this Mark on your record? So guess what they bring it to the supreme court and in a five to four decision. This is George Carlin. A ninth grade dropout. Having his words read hints Precourt about whether they these words are indecent or obscene or what the difference between indecent or obscene is. And guess what? The court in a very narrow fight afford decis. Says that during the daytime hours, the FCC does have the right to say, you can't play anything that would be considered obscene or indecent. But after ten o'clock, you can't. Yeah. I think what the term is safe harbor. Believe is the term the guest that is I love the research gets. So that's kind of what happened just Carl into the day. He died. He said he always had a perverse pride in the fact that somewhere in supreme court like case law as a precedent that his stupid routine. He did on an album called, you know, class excuse me. I can patient full is is part of the history the legal history of the United States. Let's hear a quick moment of Carlin himself talking about how he feels about words and some of this love it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of those words in and of themselves. They're only words, it's the context counts. It's the user it's the intention behind the words that makes them good or bad. The words. Completely neutral. The words are innocent. I get tired of people talking about bad words and bad language bullshit. It's the context that makes them. A we do also want to mention we would be remiss if we skip this part. Yeah. Not only not only is Coralline 's or excerpts of carlin's performance in his writing part of court case law, but he was quoted alongside Shakespeare and passages from the bible the bible in the bible. They mentioned the line. They were like, oh is is this motherfucker stuff so bad because the bible says he who pissing against the wall. So where's the line? And then they also mentioned Shakespeare seen pissing conduit. So this became an argument started as again sort of hypocritical argument about decency in the hearts and minds of the innocent and unspoiled, but it quickly became a much more. I think much more intelligent argument about the role of language and literature, and you know, what? Good on Carlin here, and no doubt. And I'm still deciding whether or not we can even release this episode fully uncensored this family show. Technically, just f y but I think this is valuable to the point of like, you can't censor it almost as it would be hypocritical to do say it would be hilarious hypocritical. This is like caught in a loopier talk about these words now we're going to be. Essex. No, it's true. Because Carlin couldn't say these words when he did the tonight show or talk about it that way when he did Chris rock's HBO show. He was able to say the words. So it is. I mean, it's still you wouldn't want to say these words in front of a kid. I guess right. Depends on the kid. Yeah. Yeah. Kids have really tough tough constitutions nine year old who's actually here right now has been like giving us the devil horns this whole time. Yeah. Yeah. But man, I don't even know where do we go from here. So yeah, what's next? Well supreme court case was in nineteen seventy eight. But really what happened in nineteen seventy five changed everything. And that's when H B O started doing these hour specials the recall eventually called on location, and the first one was done by Robert Klein at a school in the northeast, and he's a very clean comedian. But even in that specially goes, all right. I've total freedom to say anything shit. You know, he just said say the word, and but then the next in nine hundred seventy seven Carlin does and if you can find this. This is amazing his first of fourteen HBO specials and before the special begins. They have a newscaster talking about that this. There's going to be some language on here that you're not used to hearing on television. And then this. This gets even crazier in the middle of an HBO special. They stopped the special and run a disclaimer over the screen saying the next portion of this comedy act will contain language that might be unto for children and then cuts back to Carlin at USC. Just bring it all full circle at Bove art auditorium and talks about you know, these this language, and these words, and he sort of became famous for this in a way where the language and the the arrest of Lenny, Bruce, sort of destroyed Lenny, Bruce in a way it did make it famous, but he became so consumed with it. And if you really listen to his act at the end a lot of times, he would just read court transcripts was his act. He was obsessed. Yes. Yes. Very much. So, and I don't know how much of the drugs or making them paranoid or whatever. But it's like, it's it's it's really sad to listen to him just go on and on about it. It and in a way it elevated Carlin career so in a short period of time from let's say sixty five Till's, I guess seventy five in those ten years started to change. And then once we got HBO specials. Suddenly, there's red FOX in an HBO special where you know, he's like, I don't want to repeat the language, but it, you know, it was graphic adult entertainment and that continues to this day, although I will say this. I do feel like there's a different kind of censorship going on now in in comedy a little bit and Carlin talked about it at the end that he wouldn't play colleges, and I know Seinfeld won't Chris rock because people are so sensitive about hearing something that might be offensive like offensive is the new indecent in our society. Again. No one's going to get arrested. What you might get shamed. Or lose a job because of it. So what would be an example of that? What do you mean? Seinfeld bit like somebody being I can think of one off the top. And this is a really extreme example. But that guy Milo Yiannopoulos who is a alt-right kind of moody. Tune like you can you can disagree with what he has to say. But technically, you would like to have him have the right to say it what is also doing comedy. No, he's not doing comedy intentionally in comedy. But he was he was banned from all these college campuses. And this is not me saying good on my understanding. We're talking about the first amendment, and there are lines between like being in decent, and you know, being a supporter of violence. So the whole deal with like indecency is like or freedom of speech is like you can say what you want as long as you're not actively hurting so freedom of speech is also not freedom from consequences. That's also true. But I'm just wondering this whole PC police thing. That's why I brought up this extreme example because he is an extreme example of not being and I don't think this is exclusively discussion about comedy. This is about speech. So. Yes. It is. Yes, it is. And I look I look I'm listening very carefully to what you're saying. And agree with you. And I don't I'm not that familiar with Milo's stuff other than being in his fan club. But I know I'll know, but I do think it's interesting the Carlin and Seinfeld and Chris rock won't play colleges because of how offensive much some people might find what they're saying. Which is strange not strange because you can really get. I don't wanna use the word bullied, but you can really get publicly. Shamed. Online in a big way. If you know if people think what you're saying is -fensive. And again, I, you know, this doesn't affect me personally. But as a hissed somebody who's like interested in the history of comedy, I feel like the walls are, narrowing as opposed to for so long in my life. They just kept broadening and it used to be like if you make fun of Catholics or something like that. And they get upset you like well. FM if they can't take a joke, but that doesn't exist anymore for sudden people who feel like you can't make fun of a marginalized community. That's it you MS on. I'm sure you know, what I'm talking about. So it's like any any of that? So I know this is off the track a little bit. I don't even know if you wanna not at all what I do think. It's it is interesting that we become we've sort of shrunk back to a much more like Bekaert walking on eggshells comedy around certain subjects that didn't exist. When I was a kid, and I know Carlin said something phenomenal about it. He said that political correctness is an I'm paraphrasing here sip it because it comes under the guise of tolerance is like that. You're under the guise of. Hey, we're just trying to make it all better for everyone. But basically what you're doing? You're saying you can't say that bright. He hated that. It's the opposite of comedy, right? It's the opposite of what stand up. Comedy opposite of free speech. More importantly, yeah. But, but he, you know, it was interesting that he had that that side. He saw it coming and he really railed against it. In a big way. Do you see this trend we walk through some of the history? So let's let's walk towards the future. Do you see this trend escalating, or do you think it's just another cyclical thing that will fall away? I guess what? I'm asking is. Do we have some more supreme court cases in the future? If we had to guess that would I don't think. So because I don't think it's about the I don't think any government is is going in. And I to tell you the truth. I don't know. It all depends on hate speech is basically what it comes down to is. Whether you think hate speech is something that should exist or that completely protected by the first amendment. So, and you know, I know you're not allowed to incite somebody. These words are so you know, Morffiz. I know you're not allowed to do that. So so I don't think this is this is more about vigilante vigilante ISM in speech control in the same way. Catholics used to do it in the you know in the forties. It's interesting because what about like things like dog whistle politics where you have these potentially racist speakers that aren't outright saying exactly he'll kill this group of people or hurt this group of people. But they're using these kind of coded words that speak to their base or what have you? And then that's interpreted, but from a legal standpoint, you can't say, oh, he said to do this because it's all in the subtext what is in sites. And it's the whole thought police thing where it's like once you start banning words like carlin's words, potentially could ban any word. So it's dangerous territory. But it's also like where does that leave us I strongly feel like we should not leave this episode? Yeah. Have to put a really strongly worded. I didn't know why did you say? Because we thought it'd be funny. If you bleep them, do your homework, but no we were pretty much from the start. Not good. Yeah. And also you nailed the cadence. Oh, you gotta the cadence. You can't just read the seven words in some sort of like that The Danny Kaye it up a little bit. True. Well, this this has been a luminated, and I like that we're ending on a question. We're in the thing about this story is that it's not over. Now this conversation this conflict is controversy continues of far past the fifties in the late forties into the future into the new Linnea. But that's kind of what I was saying the type of show where it's like, you know, comedy. And this kind of thing that you has this the guy of like, oh, this is entertainment. This is light stuff. This is just to kind of pass the time yet we're talking about it in terms of like race riots and the use of language to like physically hurt people incite, you know, these kind of crazy events that can happen. And that we're seeing happen and the news, and we're talking about the freedom of thought in a very real. And the interesting thing is this is the first amendment to the constitution. Like think I they would have no idea back then but how power? Awful and ideas that the government show make no laws infringing on freedom of speech. Like that is insane. That that still I just I love those guys white slave owner. Okay. Can I do a little button for the whole episode? Please do might find interesting or it's not you who knows. But when I was on curb your enthusiasm. I played a character named dean Weinstock and the name Weinstock was named after a comedian named Lotus Weinstock who has since passed away, but Lotus Weinstock, and you can look up was Lenny BRUCE'S, last girlfriend, full circle, full, sir. I knew Lotus do I knew I did shows with her. Holy smooz. I know. I know I, you know, what this is a rare moment, I think for my co host, and I because we stopped for a second and just stared at each other because that's perfect. Ending. We've got to say that. I think ridiculous stories listen now if you enjoyed this episode a fraction as much as we enjoyed this interview than by God. We've we've done something. Right. Yeah. Seriously. I think if you want more of this you should check out Wayne's new podcast, which goes even deeper into the history of standup. It's good. It's really really good. And it's out there. Now, what are you guys about too deep? It's it's like a mini series. Right. Six episodes refined in we're just about done. Yeah. It's about the first season. And then we might do deep dives in the second season. But you know, we'll see. That's awesome. We'd love to hear also envious of show that has a clock on it. We just have to do the show forever until we die. It's sort of a sisyphean endeavor. Oh, thank you. By the way. This is going to be a two parter because I've been so much fun. And we already had a nice even divide down the middle between Lenny and enjoy. And this is just been a delight man. Thank you so much for coming on. And we really appreciate you dive in deep with us Nolan. Ben, I gotta say was a delight on on this end as well. And I'm just glad that The Danny Kaye that we gave Danny ks. Do wait quite a comedian and a big big influence on George Carlin. And maybe maybe we can just throw a Danny Kaye clip somewhere in this episode. He's loaded loaded with Patterson. Yeah. If they get two ticket booth ticketing, boo reading nicotine, boo should we dated? You could be pushed nicotine nicotine nicotine with this guy. So Glinka they blew one. Bless mankind including my attack. The vintages jolly. So there you have it, folks. Thank you so much for tune in to our super producer, Paul super producer, Casey and thanks to Alex Williams. Composed our theme. Thanks to our research folk who we loved dearly Eve's Jeffcoat and Christopher hus- yoda's. And most importantly, thank you, Ben. And thank you, Wayne and the best. Thank you. Thank you very much wing. We are not blowing smoke about the history of standup. Go check out the show. Look, I said earlier, I'm officially gonna be insufferable at house parties already pretty insufferable at house parties been that's why only party in the yard to the next level. Yeah. I'm gonna go inside. We'll see you next time, folks. My father is Keith hunter just percent. He's known as the happy face serial killer. On one side of the coin. He's a loving family, man. And then on the other side of the coin he is everything that could hurt he goes from protected or predator. Happy face a new series from house to forks, new episodes out every Friday on apple podcasts or wherever you get podcast.

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Dcu dot org slash free checking insured by ncua membership required collins here and tb. Turtle boy is here. Turtaboi is on the ropes. First of all it's not just the anniversary of a rocky one forty four years ago today will save. It's not the my favorite movie ever but had the biggest impact on me ever. I was one of those people that you know when one of those kids that went running and drank decorate eggs and tried to be rocky for you know a week or two right. We all did back in the day but also it's also colonnades birthday. Guess i gotta give you credit. I'm not a birthday guy. I'm not birthday guy. Only seventy three tweets Six hundred birthday twitter engagement guy. Tweet me i'll show him some love. I love you. Look for a little pat on the bay. Oh he's working. He's working on his birthday big day. what what he What's the family doing for you. What's Let me guess you're gonna. Oh you can't really slow. You can go low key birthday party at home low key. Nothing not really a birthday. I can't go get My special drink at the my favorite bar. I can't do anything so it just In whatever we'll be at home. And i'll have my pick whitney with me and we'll have a little time tonight. What does the first pink whitney get. Poured sucks that. There's no football on this afternoon You know maybe it made me a one after one might be nice. Maybe around one. We'll have a starter and then will then more ease into it later at night. I wish there were football enjoyed. I didn't watch the whole game. But i enjoyed flipping a a real football game. wasn't great game but it was competitive baltimore. Ravens beat the spread and duck and cost the bookies in the casinos a lot of money because nobody thought they had a shot. Everybody hey on this show. We all made our picks and shattuck ouzra. Who's our handicapper. He picked the steelers. I picked the steelers so county. We were all wrong. The ravens led by trace mcsorley off the bench Beat the spread covered the number and it was It was mildly entertaining for for wednesday afternoon game. It wasn't bad but sea turtle but doesn't know this because his cable company shut the cable office. He he's got nothing. You got nothing rental fox that much since one of the patriots ever going to fox twenty-five what the patriots were on fox twenty boston twenty-five they're always on cbs. Then all play was the steelers and the your expert. Oh boy over there because you need to make it clear. You're referencing the fact that i couldn't watch the patriots game on sunday because that's called humor. Turbine familiar with this was a wise crack. Because you've been targeted by big tech. I tweeted about how it couldn't watch the patriots game about that you reference in that. Yes i have been talking about unrelenting to correct the tweet about your cable. See i like having you on for this. Because he's with. Drives me crazy and i give you creditable turtle. You don't get as upset as as i do. I mean i've been targeted by twitter. Just keep ticking falls away and by the way apple. I've some reason we lost a bunch of reviews. And i don't get that why why me like. Why do they care. The people reviewed and most reviews are positive and they just what was. What was it like thirty or something one day which is gone. Yup dave and they're not like politically motivated reviews like your replies that i'm giving them any credence to do what they do. But your twitter replies are acknowledging your statement on politics or some kind of role issue. I can kind of not agree with it but see it. The reviews are like jerry. Loved you on the radio. But i love you. Even more on a podcast. It's it makes no sense. I have no idea why that up and you can't find out. I tried to find out like how that worked like. You've tried to find out these things and we'll get to it turtle because it's fascinating but here's what drives me nuts. It's the people who don't think it's a problem. And because it's you or it's alex jones or it's milo yiannopoulos or whoever they say yes so it's them and were she had we have liberals and you know all the names who encourage it and they don't they want more censorship. you know like like sheldon whitehouse. So what's chet house. He you know he wants more people. And then chris coons the senators who are asking big to do more censoring it. So and i rarely use the term but it is so unamerican. And i i fear that young people you know. Obviously most of them are liberal. And they're stupid to quote kamala harris the eighteen to twenty five year olds. You know. they're all stupid and they think what's the big deal. He's turtle boy is alex jones. So what if they censor them but think of what they're doing and we mentioned this of a lower loom who ran for congress and was unable to use email. She couldn't i understand people think she's nuts. But know who. I think is not a yana presley. I think alon omar. I think they're nuts. Do they get banned from using email or penny. Shaun king posted the wrong name of a police officer who did nothing wrong on his page in like people to go after him with two million followers happens there's no repercussion so they never feel that an easiness that you feel when you get censored or you get banned. I know the feeling not like you do not like you. I know the feeling like you know. Big brother's not just watching me. Big brothers out to get me and then you watch hearing and and obviously you rooting for josh hawley. And tom. Cotton at ten. Crews who are legitimately going after. Yeah can you. Can you lean forward. You sound like you're dude jerry. I'm gonna ban you if you don't speak to your microfinance. Eight knows too far away. That democrats are united and they realized that traditionally the people that would try to break up the monopolies right. but they're benefiting from it. So why would they ruin a good thing. Whereas republicans are so obsessed with their principles that we don't believe in regulation even though you're doing it to a point where you're losing as a result of that is why democrats win. Because i think big picture they think. How can we do anything to win. And republicans think like principles. Shut up your principles and when and we can get to the The latest in the Stop the steel movement of an and what rudy and what. The president did yesterday to call out the thieves who stole this election. As i've said many times they stole it fair and square. I understand it's not going to get reverse but let's be honest. There was a lot of fraud and trump and rudy and their people are pointing it out on a daily basis and we can knock them because they're not going to win but but it's like the same people say so what you know you know who cares so there's a little bit of cheating going on so what are guy won. Sensors are on their side. You know we know zuckerberg we know. Dorsey are on their side. And now we know penn pay pal is on their side and and and g mail is on there and there's virtually other than parlor this virtually no big tech company that isn't on side and so young people who are in college. That's you know we're learning. They're learning that it's no big deal. It's out there on our side when you listen to these senators and congressmen. It is amazing. How few really cherish really value free speech and and you know the american principles they say will so what what What turtle boy did was was wrong. I didn't like it so so. Shut him up ban him a. Don't let him speak. It is scary but even makes it even scarier. Turtle boy is how few people at least on one side of the aisle think is a problem. why would they. they're they. Don't think big picture. Because they know that they control the institutions as long as you control the institutions. You don't have to ever worry about it happening to you. They know that liberals will control social media forever. And that it's okay. They're not worried about like what what comes back to bite me in the ass thought about that because when we control the institutions if you seen you've seen alex berenson on tv many times he's the he's kind of the go-to guy for corona virus talk. He's very he's smart guy. Used to work at the new york times doesn't make but he's written. I think three booklets about the corona viruses updates them and as latest one has been banned by apple and he is apoplectic. He goes on these shows and he goes. I don't understand. Why apple banded. It's the truth about masks. And he gives you a balanced view of masks and why some people think they work and some don't they don't an apple. Bandit it's like wait. A second Not apple amazon amazon abandoned. I'm saying that is frightening. Here's a guy who not really a firebrand conservative. not he's not like you He's he's. I don't even know what he is politically. But he's very heard of before cronin virus that that's a good point. He wrote a spy novels. I guess and and in his spare time but you're right never heard of never saw him now he's everywhere and he's got these booklets and they look like they're pretty informative all right. That's and then he got taken down. I believe on amazon. Yes the big problem they would all. These companies is like their goal. Traditionally accompanies goal is to make as much money as possible traditionally but the all these companies have adopted this idea that they have some sort of social responsibility. No you don't you have a responsibility to make as much money in line. Your investors pockets as you can add as your job as a company. But instead because alex berenson's book would probably sell tens of hundreds of thousands of copies and amazon would get a cut on every single one. They're literally just pissing money away because we knew have social responsibility. Jerry that's when. I said all along with the media in general. They don't care about anything at least until they got their guy elected stop. Trump is the most important thing and you would say the same thing about amazon and and pay pal and twitter and they all. They're all they all have the same goal the same priority. And it was stopping the the orange godzilla and they did it and they were instrumental in it and i think someday if there are any an impartial historians will look back on this this. This watershed moment where big tech joined big media to stop one man or one movement and succeeded at least temporarily succeeded. But let's get to your case because it is. It is amazing. How few people. I mean if you weren't here with me. I don't know that. I would ever hear about it because you know twitter bands certain things they just can't do they just can't tolerate and you and i talked about it before we started recording. You can't defend kyle written house. You can't question masks or social distancing or lockdowns you can't question the conventional wisdom or at least the institutional wisdom on on fighting the virus and you can't bring any balance to the discussion about transgender issues. If you don't buy in completely and think that elliott page is a national hero you there's no place for you on social media with the exception. I guess of parlor but if you're going to question transgender bathroom bill. The bathroom bill or boys identifying his girls and dominating girl sports. You wanna talk about that. You have one choice. It's not a choice. You have a one way to go. You're either all in or you are banned as as we well know But now we got people getting banned by different different Big tech companies. And they don't even let you know they won't even let you know why so you've been banned by obviously twitter and facebook in the past. You've made comebacks. You've been banned. You've made comebacks in this case. It's pay pal and the most interesting thing to me about this latest. Move by big tech is they. Refuse to tell you why you're band because you turtle boy i guess but they won't tell you why you're band correct that's correct. I called their customer service and they made it very clear to me that this is not a mistake. There was a thorough investigation. Said i'm like i thank. You made some sort of mistake. Go on no no no we. We've looked into this. This is that we know about you. We know you're you're on the very clear. I'm on their list like the Which i'm always flattered by because of reached by crazy Bloomer status milo status like it's kinda cool to be thrown into that group of dissidents crazier than i am but i was actually to that point. I was actually going to ask you because you've researched this like how much is controlled by an actual human because you can narrow it down to a certain extent like you can automate all that good stuff. Go get down to. I know what turtaboi does on the internet narrowed it down to here fifty problem people that use my service and now i'm gonna i have to have a human being monitor. Their actions right. You think so. And i used to think that about twitter and facebook because some of the post that were taken our so ridiculous. I'm sure there is some automation into it. But i feel like i'm kind of settled myself short when i say that i feel like i might be on their list of may actually be on the list. They might actually know who i am. And it's flattering that these douche bags would want ban me from their platform. I'm clearly doing something right so aware. That is a badge of honor. And i will find a way around it. I mean i've already got a donation button up there like wall survive. People will frigging sending money orders. Like i'll go around passing a boot around five behalf like i've overcome worse than this so bring it on people. Give you credit. You have the best attitude. I'm not sure i can handle it. I might be at the breaking point. If i were you especially. They're messing with your your livelihood. This isn't just some wacky guy tweeting about About elliott. Page and bruce channel. or whatever. And they're they're saying no none of that that has been Moved and you've been suspended and go about your life. This is your life and upset at many times. And i mean it you're the best reporter in new england one of the best in the country. You break stories that Many media let's including of course. The boston globe wouldn't touch the boston. Globe is in the business of suppressing. The news that turtaboi breaks. They're in their in their your anti-establishment they are the establishment and they will never criticize or even take a stand on this at all for free speech. They will never take a stand for free speech. Bus is much like the new york times and the washington post they support the suppression of free speech. That's the scary point. We've reached at this point in time. And i don't know when it revolts reverses. Course it's gonna get worse. Obviously people voted for lockdowns. People voted for big tech. I mean not eighty million but at least big jerry down and the transgender thing. These are great issues. Easter winning issues but the problem is donald. Trump did not make it an issue. This this should have been brought. You know what they should have said dirt like when he was asked about climate change. He should've said nobody can climate change. Let's talk about that. Actually affects people who have daughters. Let's talk about transgender athletes and sports. Let's talk about big tech censorship about the right to use pay pal and the right to use some of these things. They're against this. Why what's joe you know. He never brought it up. Because trump always fell into the same bullshit the media. I think you and i agree on one thing. Above all others is that we are looking forward to someone else taking the mantle taking the baton and advancing the cause of trump ism. But that person is going to be smarter than donald trump and more articulate the donald trump because frustrating watching debate because he you know he thinks a great debater and he dropped the ball so many times and obviously the game was rigged. And you had biden. Stooges like chris wallace as moderators and you're right. He did. That was mike pence. Mike pence that s some stupid question about climate. Change trying to trap him and he would say. I want to go back to whatever pensa smarter. And if the next guy whether it's christie nome ron dissatisfied Josh hawley ta. I think you know all the above will be smarter. Will they be charismatic. Will they attract big crowds. No but in that situation they will know what The the winning issue is and you're right of center. I said this the other day about the transgender thing or yesterday we talked about With the shattuck. Because of elliot page and by the way if you call her ellen page. You're going to get banned from twitter. You you have to call but if you ask if elliott page is now a heterosexual male. Is that what he would be. Yes the lesbian. And now she's a man so now she's a heterosexual male straight white guy at this point. Isn't he gay. I mean wikipedia. Says he's a gay male now because he's married the woman. This is the same check by the way who about a year ago. Went on The stephen colbert show and cried about jussie smollet. She had one of the great smoke. Oh my god in my heart it just it goes out to them. A these are the kind of you. Believe jussie smollet. You're mentally unstable. Clearly not stable. These are theatric people in general in hollywood there seekers this is what they do. All she's doing is just reiterating. That transgenderism might be a mental issue. I want to get to that seat. Colonnade safety can get this rent because it's great. She was on. You said it was kobe. A i forgot about her last night. It is unbelievable. She's crying blaming. Mike pence for what happened. Jussie smollet vice president of america. I wish i didn't have the love with my wife. He wanted to ban that in indiana. He believes in conversion therapy. He is hurt. Lgbtq people's so badly as the government of indiana. 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Pleasure david securities and advisory services offered through l. p. l. financial a registered investment advisor member. Finra sipc. i need to hear your story a little bit more about your story because this pisses me off when people don't think it's a big deal i've heard Tucker's done this. And others lay laura ingram and but not enough. Here's why is because people think. Oh you're not allowed to tweet so what you. Facebook is limited. You reached so what but it goes beyond that and there will be a point and you'll be are canary in the coalmine. No more pay pal. What else and no more email. We pointed out lower lumbar. Couldn't email her the people which was almost in which is running for congress. They can ban you from Uber or they will uber is another left wing. Fifth they can abandon from Obviously lift You can't like order food You can't charge. How soon will it be at now. We're in this credit card society where nobody takes cash anymore so if the credit card company or the bank doesn't like you politically they can ban you. Who's what's stopping them from doing that. I mean you could get banned from everything tech. They realize they can't stop you because the government can't censor speech so they just. This is what my book was about the end arounds of stopping free speech and usually it's financial that's how they get like everybody needs money to survive so they can find a way to make it impossible for you to make a living off of the things that you're saying. Then they can effectively silence you and they try. When facebook is. Most traffic came for basement. They got that peach taken down traffic decrease they got me banned from google assets so it can and they have a monopoly on digital advertising so turtle sports effectively doesn't make money which is why i had to create tv daily news and clean it up so i wouldn't get banned by glad since then. I got to create a ban for twitter for life in by a computer and use it everything to even sneak on twitter. So it's all it's swipe because because you break stories. I mean you're not your political obviously and you obviously on the wrong side of the aisle but you know i am too and they don't a there's lots of people in. We talked earlier but like ben shapiro. They don't do that to ben shapiro. Michael knowles or you know. Even dan bongino. There's lots of outspoken conservatives. That they really don't mess with like they're messing with you. You're right. You got lumped in with the lunatics in my low and lower luma and alex jones which is a compliment. Your profile has been raised but it makes your life difficult and they target they pick on. The people like you as opposed to a bench appearance. Maybe we'll get him next. I doubt it because he other bench beer first of all. He's not nearly as controversial as they say he's pretty host and safe in general but they know that taking down a guy with three point. Four million dollars. That's too big. They can go after me. Because i'm small enough and it's not going to create enough headway. You go after. You know a conservative influence or like that it gives it gives away their hand too much. They can't do it so they try to go after people you know for the like carpet doctor. I'm the one that made trump means that he re tweeted you. That's one thing you don't want to do. You don't wanna get re tweeted by trump. That's how you get on their list. Jeez then people people generally are honored they got re tweeted by trump. And the next thing they know they're they're shadow banned but we are hoping. Tell me this and again you are my expert on this our expert. Why what's the resistance to repealing to thirty. I've seen Read everything. I can read on it. I understand. It was a different world when the internet started these companies the google if they weren't the biggest companies in the world the way they are now google's the biggest company in the history of the world And they're it seems to me that they are defying the government or define parts of the government to find the the senate in this case. And saying go ahead. You know do what you want. They are so big they don't care. So why don't we repeal to thirty at least give you know someone like you a fighting chance. I mean because i think the ball conservatives are so against regulation half of the conservatives in the senate are owned by google they also google money. They're not going to go out to these companies. There's like five guys. you know them. All to josh hawley. Ted cruz tom. Cotton four five minutes at matt gets. That's all that's all. We have fighting for us. Democrats are champion on because it helps them out. Obviously and it's me like so now now they're going after the first they off your social media. They can't science you that way. Like okay. well let's go out to the financial institutions that are really even do anything just the medium that exists so that you can exchange money between willing people in this country who are willing to pay money for this service that like no. You cannot pay money for that service. We won't allow it to happen. So then you have to go to a different financial institution board. They go after them ultimately has to happen. Here is some of these companies. Just gotta get balls antonis. Mobster look off if you do that. They will go away because they only have the power that these companies give them. Stop giving mobs twitter. Power the irrelevant but think think of what they can do. Obviously pay pal is now. They bent you for life with no explanation. Correct next again if it's a bank or financial institution they could deny you a credit card. Then what deny you a mortgage a car loan wally. So so you if you are an outspoken conservative and maybe you don't you're you're on the fringe not as big again as whatever dan bongino. But you're you know turtaboi level. You can't get a car. Loan a mortgage a credit card. Your job is threatened. You can't raise money or make money. What they can do to. You is frightening and again makes some more frightening is that you have so few defenders as you point out this this five guys in washington. What if they pay them off so anybody who steps out of line anybody who questions the recount the transgender issue. Anyone who says kyle rittenhouse was acting in self. When you want wanna hear funny starbucks should up. I have a couple of contacts at the daily. And i contacted them when i was banned for twitter for life and i said. Are you guys interested in doing a story on this kind of have big platform a bit of an influence around here. Are you interested in writing about this. And they ran it through. And the person i spoke with was going to do a story on it and it was. It was basically crushed because they said we don't want to attack facebook and twitter too much because that's where we get. Most of our views from ben is a really big influence on there. We don't want them coming after us. So that's what the daily i enter. Ben shapiro is just a gutless hack. Who want to go along with the establishment in order. So they don't come for him next well. Isn't that the goal. If the goal is to not just ban you to intimidate others to say be and admit if they know they come after me. I'm going to be like holy crap. I mean we had one person one. And i don't wanna get into it but you know one person come after advertisers which happened every day on the radio. We thought we were getting away from that. It happened here and your initial thought is holy crap. They're coming to get their. They're they're coming after us again and you say can we. I mean isn't done on the radio where we thought we could say do what we wanted. And now they're coming after us on the podcast and we're thinking. At what point are you allowed to speak your mind. We allowed to just have the freedom to to form an opinion and articulate it without someone saying no. That's not the right opinion. You're you're on apple spotify right woke gone and taken some rogan contact down. What happens when you get on their radar out. Say like ours. Not that's a fortunate situation. What happened to us but like turtle your career you've said this is based on social media right driving traffic from social media to your website and take and taking donations from listeners. You need to be on social media platforms to said donations right. It's literally your career and your lucky that you're one of the sappy ones who knows how to work. I mean you're an idiot but you know how to work around those problems. Yeah lost their job. Basically have somebody else around the twitter account. That's not me that's my way around it or we'll figure something out like p p people the full turtle riders also feel censored in this and they are in fact that the social media company is telling him no. You can't read that you can't donate to that even though you want to. We're not going to allow it to happen. And people aren't going to put up with that they're going. They're going to find a way around that literally semi cash in the mail. I wouldn't recommend doing that. By the way. I'll take might be the only way you can make voice and i do think when you see a warning label on a tweet like they do to every single trump tweet. I don't know if you saw the numbers over in the campaign. Twitter put a warning label on three hundred. And twenty-five trump tweets zero biden tweets. Not that biden tweets his own. It binds like fortune cookie messages. It's just some some hack who who says l. We're all going to come together and you know we are the light there. The darkness is just worthless. Mean there's no reason to put a warning on the but putting a warning on makes it more likely people will read it banning. It makes it go away. It's i mean they can ruin you. They can ruined. Ruined me jerry. I'm not going to allow it to happen. They can serve the whole list of things they can do. They can make it impossible for you to get a credit card a car loan a mortgage figure it out a bill my own. We'll do it trust me. Somebody will make me a car. That could probably make me a car. We'll figure it out like the people united when they feel censored they will they will rally together and do it. And i have no problem being the mar- for free speech i will be the leader of this movement. I give you credit you ever think of how much easier would be if you were equivalent. You're obviously obviously the people that work at the globe. Boston globe and think real jobs. I think they're actual journalists when we know they're just hacks and they're like he cases john as as a vanity project for his wife. It's not real same with the washington post by the way but the liberal equivalent view has no such concerns. They don't ever have to worry about being banned from anything. Thought about it. And i told you yesterday right. Before the show we went on Sarah silverman the comedian odd cast and she said i can see not no humor attached to this whatsoever. There was no joke. I won't play it because it's unbelievable she just says we're liberals we can say anything. It's incredible she admits eat can do or say anything and never has to worry. That's a great point. She admits it and the conservative equivalent of her. Which i don't know what it would be. No who's conservative. Equivalent of greg gut filled jay on peace. Right now i would probably have on facebook close to half a million facebook. Follow at this point on twitter out. It'd probably have over one hundred thousand followers on there and it. It was growing exponentially and so i can still like. I still have our followers but when social media you can't grow growth is really important. I mean i've found you on twitter. Just tweet at you like it's really. These are really important tools to get the attention of other people that you normally could not just how it works in the digital age where everyone is it's public square then again. It's something the other side doesn't worry about so the other not only they're not worried about the applaud. They applaud a good take turtle bow down. And i'm looking at the comments. Now a couple of people calling you are us. You know cupcakes or snowflakes because you complain about it and like try living day. Turtle boys were yes to wonder if some big tech authoritarian liberal asshole is going to ruin his livelihood. I mean that's a burden that only you know only a few people have you could be two things and survived. You could be liberal or you could be boring. I guess you could be both and that's redundant but if you don't have no one cares what you do if you're just sitting out there tweeting about you know what you had for dinner last night. You're not gonna get center. We'll never happened. Tim pool had an interesting tweet yesterday. Tweeted out something to the effect of like. I wish you could invest in youtube to people like a lot of people at youtube where that could be a star. I'd like to invest in that. Can i can i. Can i invest in social media. Influencers in the answer to that what i would tell them is no. You can't because at any moment. Your investment can just be completely wiped out because some douchebag in santa clara presses a button and decides. You can't be here anymore. So it's as we know everybody in. Silicon valley is a former staff for for barbara boxer or or or or gavin newsom. They go from work and for those people to work for twitter or either literally. That guy. Andy stone worked for barbara boxer. We went through his fucking resume but he's not the only one it's it's a revolving door. Now they're going to go from facebook and twitter to work for the biden administration. Works is the swamp like you are swamp. Joe by the swampy candidates swap. You're the hillary clinton the people and it's amazing after all we learned about the swamp after all we've learned about the deep state and the fbi. And what they did to carter page and roger stone and apple. People voted for that they voted for. It's remarkable the the the what what happened the last four years and now look it's gonna. We're going back in time. We're going back to the days where You know the swamp could comfortably sit there and not worry about being exposed because they're all in it together but we you you and i agreed. That trump as an advocate Is not the most articulate guy. Not the most Well well-thought-out does not make the most welcome winner but we need. You said somebody. That knows what they're talking. Who's a little bit more familiar with this subject of trump's entertainer. He's not a a thinking man. So trump says he's not going to sign this defense bill unless they clued the repeal of two thirty. is that a wise move. Will that work. It's a great move on and it seems like he knows the end is near now and this is like i need to go. I need to do this. I need to do something on the way out. I don't know if it will work but it's a good threat almost and because trump and that's his big thing has always been like He's not a war hawk. He's not a military industrial. He took on the military and that is why some conservatives don't like him and that's why democrats have turned themselves into radical warlocks. Because let's be honest except for a few. They were the whole time. Yes biden's the worst of the among the worst of them so we will be going back into endless pointless wars ten thousand miles away. There will be a casket coming back to a joint base andrews. And i'm sure he'll be there to greet them. Because you know it's a good but Be something else now. The basis go ahead was he. Was he a confederate. Got nappy confederate. They'd put down the frigate ulysses grant staff. I i think i i got a joint base elliott page. What do you think joint pitch you. You like it then. He's also part of patriarchy now. So that's a good point. That's a good point so it's got to be someone that went the other way the other direction by you're you're going you're becoming privileged right. I think i think you and i disagree on this. I don't blame trump at all for fighting to the death or his or surrogates like Rudy in nara singh. Because hold on. Because you know. And i know there was massive fraud you and i know. No these dumps ballots a three forty in the morning. You and i know the dead people. Voting people voted twice and people. There was all kinds of shenanigans. If you don't like the term fraud and how you would ever expect trump who you know. He's not again the smartest guy but he understands that he was cheated. How do you expect them to do this. To just say you know they cheated fair and square and move on donald trump jerry. I think you're do you. What people are doing is a losing strategy. There is a strong. There is something here that needs to be addressed. That's actually fixable. And that is the practice of mail in voting itself. Donald trump losses because democrats had three months to get the laziest most apathetic losers to fill out a frigging form in sending a selfish dropped solve addressed envelope. It's already got a stamp on in to them. They had three months that as long as that exists they will do nothing but win elections. And guess what. It's a fixable problem. State legislatures can just outlined in republicans control state legislatures. Even in swing states like michigan wisconsin and pennsylvania. So that's what you gotta do talk all this talk about fraud and dominion. This is all just a big distraction. That's not fixable. It can't go anywhere and mail in voting and there will be very true of course but i mean that's for next time and i said on on november fourth. I said tell me the republican who agreed to allow mellon voting. Just name names. And i will blame it all on them because that's the way the door that that open to all this fraud. Was this mail in voting in the lie that it wasn't safe to go to the polls because a covert i mean. Obviously the same people were in the streets marching protesting celebrating after biden. One those same people said. Oh no no no. I can't wait in line and vote. That would be dangerous. It was a lie and it worked. I mean again they. Viewed trump is evil. So anything they could or would do or able to do to stop him was fine. It was would packing the federal courts for the last four years right like appointing conservative judges at they got this thing is getting conservatives appointed federal judgeships so we control judgeships in these states to so all state legislatures have to do is pass bills outlawing meal in voting and then we'll be upheld by the judiciary in these states because mitch mcconnell did his job too by the way. If you don't do that we'll never win another like don't do it. And unfortunately they have early voting in georgia a stacey. Abrams is Rounding up our troops in their voting. And it's gonna be It's a little scary to think that she might be able to steal this. These two seats to but tampa endanger and we're trying to stop that republicans that's true too and we get to him. We get to that nut Lynnwood but What's the woman's name. The victoria victoria jackson from. Snl will she apparently was Sitting with rudy. Giuliani yesterday in this hearing and it was comical. And i understand. You wanna mock trump rock rudy for doing this fine. Go ahead but don't blame them. Don't blame them because they know this was stolen. They know there was massive fraud and they can't just sit. It's just not in their nature to say. Well i mean if this were george bush or mitt romney or john mccain that go you know they stole it fair and square shake hands. Write a note and beyond my way. That's not the guy we voted for. That's not the guy who was president for the last four years he's never going to accept this and if he hits the road and starts doing these rallies for the next four years get ready because if it's an hour-long rally forty-five minutes it'll be spent bitching about voter fraud. So get used to it. But can we hear from. What's the woman's name who work for dominion do we ever name. Oh what was your name. Terror by the woman who is in your melissa caroni a. r. Melissa caroni was there at this hearing with rudy. And she kind of went off the rails and We're not sure if she's on the truth or not but she was kind of entertaining. The paul buck is completely off completely off that thousand. I'd say that poll book is off by over one hundred thousand. That poll book. What did you look at the registered voters on there. How many registered voters are on there. Did you even know the answer to that. Guess i'm trying to get to the bottom out here zero zero so my question then is if what about. What about. What about the turnout. Rate a hundred and twenty percent. Let's let's representative johnson. Ask questions so the poll book number. There's two things that could happen here. Either the poll book number if ballots from continental multiple times. There's two options option number. One is that the poll book numbers are not going to match the actual not by thousands and thousands of votes. That's always see right now. You take a look again option. Number two is that they essentially were for filling in names of people who didn't vote that people too so is that lets consumers as johnson ask a question and then when my question is why. We're not seeing the poll book off by thirty thousand votes. That's nothing what did you guys do. Take and do something crazy to it. That was the first period she had a couple of Cosmo's at lunch girls. If you didn't if you're not watching on facebook on youtube yet rudy is leaning over and happing on her shoulder and say please stop Eight must be frustrating. If you're rudy. Because you have people like melissa ed shiva sheva part of the team. I gotta say the trump and got mocked obviously on all the usual places. Trump's forty six minute presentation was as good as it gets from hemi. Follow the script. He didn't go off the rails. He held up charts and graphs. Now no one wants to. I should say most people. They don't wanna hear it. They want to move on but he holds up a graph and it shows the spike and biden votes at three forty in the morning. I'm going just hold that up and stand there until everybody sees when that proved. That's a sheva tactic. That's with the ballot up a three forty in the morning here. You and i were sitting there till midnight. Watching trump build this huge lead in a disappeared like that. Yes i know that jerry but if you got a ballot dump from cambridge you would have the same exact effect. That's not exactly surprising. That ballot dumps from urge ended up with democratic spike. That doesn't i. I've never seen it. Never seen it. Usually when a guy's up double digits with eighty four percent voting. You've never seen in voting that they have some places but you're right it was. We can all agree that it's all the republican's fault. They agreed to mail in voting to the pretense of kobe. They blew it. They should have known they should have seen this coming. It must have been a big celebration of the dnc. The day they said. Oh god we got mail in voting everywhere we can cheat and they did and my hats off to them god. It's something i wish we could do. I wish we could cheat like they can. Elegance made the sound to their base to support is like we got some year. Sidney what's your name. She got michael. Flynn out of jail. So she's got a good reputation. Lynnwood got the company. Kids a nice settlement from cnn like these guys have good reputations and so you trusted them and it turns out if you're bringing this woman up there and just saying it's not thirty thousand. That's why i'm drowning house and you say a republican to by the way like she's just rip you guys don't know how dead pay like you're not you. She has nothing. She just literally talking out of her ass because she's trying to gain clout in the maga- world the now she's i'll probably write a better fricken lovers. She's hilarious. What hang out with her. She's like a hunter biden. One of those people like she looks like a good time. Jerry yes she does. She looks like that hair could come down the glasses. I've seen that movie before. But pretty sure she's not a dui. Virgin i'm willing to bet. All the states will certify the electoral voters electors will vote on the fourteenth. And all this will be over but for the rest of our. We will know because they will be proof. There will be evidence that they stole this. One farren square. I'm gonna leave it at that. I don't know what else to say. There's tons vast amounts of cheating and fraud out there. We've seen it. We've heard it in nevada in pennsylvania in in michigan. But you know they did. They accomplished their goal. They got the the you know. They got eighty million people to vote for a guy that nobody cares about that. Nobody likes it. Just it's amazing. Goes down in history as The most popular presidential candidate ever chill biden. 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That's there's a lot of competition between gavin newsom lori. Lightfoot and gretchen whitmer whitmer and karen lido. They're all full it. They're all liars. They're all hypocrites washed. You forget like both cuomo brothers every single person. Who's told you to stay home. We got something out there. Not staying home except one and i'm counting on you to get. This is charlie baker. I predicted six months ago. He would get caught visiting his father in the nursing on guarantees done it. You know it's your job to catch him doing something. Could you get on that please. i can try. But i feel like charlie baker's pretty well protected. He's he's a sharp guy. he's a senior. He's the kinda guy that knows how to cover. He's no karen pollino from shrewsbury. He's a little sharper than that. Will the mayor of austin Texas takes fix the prize and a. I'm not sure you could become more hypocritical. Arrogant denver denver guy with the denver. Guy did was tells people not to travel and he was on his way to the airport. Miss this guy in austin was already in kabo. He made a speech or did address on. I don't know what on facebook whatever it was facebook to telling them not to travel on a do. We have this. Dave keep in mind. Okay listen to the words and then we'll tell you where he was sitting standing when he did address. The trust of the most important message is trying to get out to the community right. Our is that our numbers are increasing and everybody has to be aware of that and we need to stay home. If you can do everything you can try to keep the numbers down. This is not the time to relax. We're going to be really closely. I want you to keep in mind. This is Mayor steve adler saying stay home and this is not the time to relax now. The denver mayor did it before he went to the airport. This asshole was in kabo in mexico. Olympic hotel room or something. It took a took a private jet with eight people. I assume they weren't all messed up. And socially distance a private jet from austin to a to kabo and then in his luxury oceanfront villa. Did this address telling people to stay home at the end and to not relax. It is amazing that you can be this arrogant. I don't know about the guy. Obviously he's a total asshole total of fraud. But you know what turtle by. And i both know it. He's a democrat. Which means he won't quit. He won't get defeated. he won't lose. He won't ever do what he tells everyone else to do. Care about that when their own people like cooman is still the governor of virginia jared. People forgot that he could the black face. Kkk picture that that's true And and this guy. Bayes governor a mayor of austin as long as he wants to be but the list and somebody made a bingo game that we have then. There's literally fifty of these examples of these democrat mayors and governors and public officials like the one in la. We told you about yesterday who said band outdoor dining essentially ruined the livelihoods of these outdoor of these restaurants and two hours later was sitting at a restaurant. Santa monica having dinner after voting and declaring that it was quote deadly and dangerous to eat outdoors at these restaurants caught a crowded restaurant a week and a half ago and then yesterday he tweets out a picture from a bar in bergen county saying good. I'm glad he got shut down and shut them down and find them restaurant and we caught him. I tweeted about it. It's amazing this guy was caught at a restaurant over thanksgiving weekend. That's like a week ago. Whatever not even two weeks ago with his family. A big group no masks no distancing out to dinner and in his tweet he literally says look at this no social mask. No social distancing no masks We can't have this down and he goes good at the end. Good at these people are are evil. I'm not kidding they're not. Obviously you know murderers or anything but they are just soulless heartless monsters who are destroying lives. And we'll do it again and we do it every day. They destroying lives and they don't even care if they like lecter heartbeat. The heart rate doesn't even go up. They destroyed lives. you're right. He writes the owners were cited for noncompliance and municipal officials revoked their outdoor dining permits for the next thirty days. Could these people are doing exactly what he did. Exactly good good. I'm happy with by the way he made all his money. A wall street of new york. City like investment multimillionaire douchebag phil murphy of so of course the democrats nominate him because a white wall street douchebag is is is a walking caricature of the democratic party. But these people. They don't believe they do this because they two things number one know that they're going to get reelected anyway because they're they're voters are very stupid people who don't care they just simply do not care about this and number two. They didn't believe any of this. To begin with nobody asks. Nobody would tell you a deadly and dangerous and then go do it now if they really believed it was deadly dangerous but the most discouraging thing is you're right they will know cuomo runs for reelection win in a landslide baker of probably not running for reelection. But you know whitmer. These are people who There they depend on these stupid people. These lemmings are just go along and say has been done a wonderful job and they don't pay attention to the The hypocrisy in the lies they keep hearing about. I tell you what last night was fun to watch. In fact It went well into the night in staten island De blasio and cuomo. They came up with this opera. Troy plan with a banned in bars and restaurants in certain neighborhoods. And not another one. You know hot zones red zones so they shut down this bar in. Staten island called max public house and a block away. Congo's lawyer a block away. You could go into a bar restaurant but you couldn't but this guy's life they just basically said it's over no more no more livelihood for you we're going to ruin your life and the guys said no we're not shutting down. They sent in the cops. The sheriff's handcuffed and arrested the owner and dragged him out for trying to run his business immediately. This staten island. This is trump country. This is not you know manhattan. This massive crowd show up. They've estimated a two thousand fifteen hundred or two thousand flags flags trump legs. You know Back the blue flags. And i'm just guessed the property damage. They did the fires. The the rests can give me a number guests zero zero zero. These are god fearing american in a law abiding americans who are upset. But i wonder will this be a sign things to come. We'll this happen again. Will people stand up for the rights of their. Your local borrowed his restaurant. Jim owners and and i'm crow. Call that a protest demonstration. What do you call it. I would think it civil disobedience not a riot that's for sure and but they're sick of it. They're sick of it because they know a there's no science behind it and it often. The police didn't undercover wish. They went in there and they bought clam challenge or something. I'd like to order a coke. Please trash and it's like you said. I'll give you said the these cops have to wake up and understand that these are the people on their side. The ones who want to arrest the restaurant owners the ones who want you to shut down. The gyms are the ones that you want to fund the police. But the problem is that they're not the cops aren't the boss the chiefs of the boss and chiefs are just a bunch of political hacks for the most part to 'cause chiefs are appointed by hack mayors and they have the kiss ass and have the right kind of category in order to get these jobs and so they just i mean look how many police departments the chief of police knelt for blacklivesmatter lives matter like in webster you went a guy own elite himself and those are the kind of people that become police chiefs. It's it's sickening. And i hear a lot of people say this and i understand why they say screw it. Stop listening these people opening businesses. And that's all well and good. But i know business. I know a good friend who owns a hair salon. I had had really good friends who owned a gym. And it's easy to say it's easy for your to said just open your business and then when they come in and shut you down and find you five thousand dollars and you don't have the money i mean it is difficult. It is difficult to fight city hall in this case even though city halls a bunch of frigging tyrants and you and your livelihood is hanging in the balance it's easier to say just open up but then when the sheriff's come in and shut you down your life becomes even more difficult mean that's what people need to. I mean i'm sure this place in staten island. I'm sure they've gotten a lot of financial donations last forty eight hours because and that's essentially kind of model that i have is you know. Make put yourself out there as the guy who's fighting for freedom and people will support you. They want to support you because they want. They know that this is an attack on them. This is an attack on the customers who can't go inside and order food because why free why can't they do by attack on personal choice on freedom. It's like you you can go in there. You're smart enough to you. Know social distance or wear your masks or sanitize your hands. You don't need andrew cuomo or bill de blasio that frigging more on to tell you how to live your life adventurously. Eventually people have to stand up and say this is an attack on personal liberty but anyways a couple more things. I wanna get to turtle boy before you go back and see who else has cancelled new today. Who's who's next. What's the next big tech company. Come after you probably stripe. What's his name apologize yet. By the way he has fallen on the sword like the guy has adler apologized or no. I don't know he's he's still in combo wanted. It's funny because he. He seems like he could have a real good snowball effect right because he threw a twenty person wedding the night before for his daughter and one. That would have been easy. Way up an apology the kabo. There's nothing you can do with the common now. How did they find out. That's a question when private jet premeditation. I can't fi. You know commercial because people will see me at the airports when he got a picture of me. I know this. So i have no choice but to do private. And then he did it from there. They must have recognized like the background or something like notice i saw. There's a big. Tv looks like a big sweet in the reason. But i don't know but democrat so he doesn't have to apologize he doesn't have to worry about losing the seat. It is amazing that poor people working people you know. Whatever like waitresses and bill. Forgive him for it. because he's a democrat. He hates trump and They'll they'll move on but I need you to catch. Charlie baker doing something that my life's not not going to not going to be complete until charlie joins that list of lying hypocrites liberal ails but i I do follow. Aubrey huff on twitter. I do. I know what is good crazy. I guess you dumb conservative. But he he takes it to another level he's like he's like curt schilling. If curt schilling were drunk the patriarchy gladly tell you that he's at all he's a right wing redneck Who tweets whatever. Pups was head and does not care. You know swears tax people. I'm surprised they're still up there but yesterday he tweeted this tweets. I never understood as a man why you would date or marry a single mother. If you are single with no kids of your own seems to me. He doesn't feel as options are doesn't value himself as a man. I feel like i was a backup plan helping. Raise another man's kids now he got you want talk about ratio. Look at that one. Seventeen thousand responses five thousand likes seven thousand retweets. I mean he's he's got he's got a following he's got two hundred thirty nine thousand followers bio says to ties world two time world series champ pro god america guns whiskey and toxic retired about his tweet like let me defend aubrey huff. Air if you will in house. Because i can't defend that never stopped. After the first part i would. I would not disagree and i think most people would agree. I've never understood as a man why you a date or marry a single mother if you're single and no kids near to me that is one hundred percent accurate. Like if you're a single dude why would you wanna marry a chick that has baggage particularly if you wanna have kids yourself. You haven't had kids yet. We want to have kids because she's already been there done that now. Looking to start round two. This is not a lion pride you know. Some of my best friends have done that. And i'll tell you why first of all what if she's hot she's really great she's probably not. What if you love her. What kayleigh mcenany husband died tomorrow. And she was looking for love. Okay that's different but these are extreme extreme circus absurd. It's like everything else. Says as woody allen's bahari art wants i think that the ideal situation for people that are divorced or whatever so you got two kids if you know god forbid anything like that happen right like i would want it would be ideal so much easier to find a woman who already asked to kids because you got a lot in common that way you know. You don't have a lot in common if the guy's never had kids the woman has there's a big divide there now. So what if he loves her. Do you think he should say. I don't want that baggage. I need to find someone with no kids. I mean it just yet world. The world doesn't work that reasonable to say the world does work that way. What if what if the kids are great kids. What if it's one kid and throw the ball around the back yard a to be stopped that like sign up for that. No okay no guy. If given the choice between a woman with kids and women without kids will pick the woman. That's not what we're talking about. It's not okay. here's your choice. Oh i'll take the kids. It's like this woman is is awesome. I love her. I you know i'm gonna lover kid too. That's the way the we're look works. I it never crossed my mind that you would see someone. You're attracted tour. You know she's attracted to you which is important and you hit it off great and you say oh. She's got a six year old kid at home. I gotta move on. I can't deal with that. But i'll take your point. I mean you're you're an insane person turtle boy but the fact that you you wouldn't do it because you value yourself. What's that's why i mean. Just stop at the first part. The first part. I think a lot of people i know i'll never understand as a man. Why would date or mayor single mother. If you're single with no kids of your own that lasts caveat. Can i answer that. I mean again. What if she's really great. What if you love her that. That's the answer. Yes oh i mean. I guess so. It could happen but let's not act like it's not a less ideal situation if you're a single whether you want to have kids if you wanna have kids and you have a woman you need a woman who's got an eight and ten year old right you know. She's not liked. like why. would you wanna just start over again. Like top mortgage. That's unlikely to happen. jerry. It's a better thing if you wanna have kids to me a woman who hasn't had kids meter again if you meet her. She's she's awesome and you love it. You're supposed to dump her because she has a kid. Oh jesus christ. Now that's not what i'm saying under no one. Everyone's canceling you. I'm gonna. I'm gonna kids in. The woman has to run kids already like ten and twelve. Do you think she wants to start over for the most part. I don't know that's maybe maybe not. Odds are less than if if you need a single woman with no kids. That's just a fact not being so if love her and you end up. Mariners should treat those kids. You say i'm no. I'm not raising someone else's kids as aubrey huff. Where he should have thought then he gets ridiculous. The rest of the tweet is absurd when he starts talking about feeling. I was a backup plan helping rate. That's just like okay dude. Chill out relax. You know that's how the world works. I mean people get divorced and they have kids and other people. I mean people like that People in my family good friends they get divorced. They find other women they find other men they get married. They they learn to live with the kids that you know aren't their own. They learn to love learnt. Yes they do they play catch with them in the yard. They do. Oftentimes i feel. Let's do a study. I i would bet you this jerry. I bet you the most people most men who move onto a woman who already has kids most men. They already have kids themselves. That is a that is a more ideal situation if you are find a woman who has kids no you don't think you have more common with the yes. Yes yeah. my brother just got engaged. He's in his fifties into First question was she had kids because he he doesn't he's divorced and it was like no she doesn't it was like. Wow that's wild women. Why are we. Why are we debating fifty percent of the tweet. The reason the tweet is offensive. You don't value. He wouldn't value yourself. If if you date a woman would want to raise another man's kids which is a guy like adam schefter who married a widow dot for The husband he died at nine eleven. You know he's a store raising someone else's kids in like the father is a deadbeat and you're coming in you can be like there's nothing walkman we've found some common ground idiot and give credit again. Aubrey huff. if you don't follow them tweets insane stuff like that. All the maybe not that insane but he tweets like the first draft and never read it over edits it just sends out whatever pups and was head and gets in trouble and you know. He calls himself the future governor of california. I don't think that's going to happen and not to hurt them. I've looked around. I want to see what spawned the tweet. And i haven't seen anything it was done at eleven twelve. Am in the morning. So unless he dvr the bachelor he has kids. And i don't know about it. I don't know where the hell this one came from. I mean don't you feel as if you were woman that kids. I feel most women that would prefer a man who has kids himself. Probably think yes. What's wrong thing. it's just a fact i'm gonna. I'm tweet tweet this out now. It's hard to tweet it out. Without looking like you're endorsing re tweets endorsements But i'm going to tweet the sound say. The turtle boy is one hundred percent on aubrey. Huff side on this but anyway Let's see if we can agree on one thing before we go here on culinary. It has to go celebrate his birth. How old are you now. Thirty five i'll. I saw someone now today. Yeah how about that colony. Twenty twenty four. What do you think of that. I gotta find a running mate. I i'll i'll i to think this through aside. He's a fence sitter. I am fence sitter. I assume you guys like rocky right. You like rocky moved not gonna debate which is best sequel in which is best in the opponent and all that but we all like rocky one. Did you like rocky one. Yes of course yes. Of course one of the great movies ever made. I say this all the time. My favorite sports movie. Remember the titans. I like hoosiers. Rocky one is top five and it had an unbelievable impact screaming. That's my favorite sports movie. What's that kicking and screaming is. My favorite. Sports movie is that we'll be moving movie. anyway Today's the forty fourth forty fourth anniversary of the day rocky hit the screens And it was amazing. It had an impact on everybody. It was an amazing simple inspirational movie but this annoys me in the tweet i think Friend the radio watch radio watch tweeted this out. It's rated second best. Sports movie by the american film institute. And i'm just if you guys haven't seen this shit you wanna guess what number one of best sports movie again. My choices remember the titans. I would put hoosiers at number two. I go and i like sports movies. i love football friday night lights. I love football movies in general but would you care to guess what the american film. It's to keep in mind there. Probably as pompous as they sound think is the best sports movie have. They made a movie mega wrapping. Or yet you okay. This this is temporary. Then once they make. America meghan rappeneau story or the sarah full story. Let's be careful you know. I mean they made movies. But jackie robinson they might as well make one about sarah fuller but would you care to guess which is number one which is ridiculous but anyway number one i was gonna say hoosiers but you just said no placements we kano reeves. Rachel raging bull number. One which is why is said the other day. And i'm just going to say it's good but it's so overrated it's so dark that is best performances Now his best performance cape fear when when he when he hides under the car and goes on the boat and he made the narrow movie of all time in any I disagree totally. Okay i disagree. There's never those moments. We are just cheering. You feel good like most sports movies movie. It's about his home life. It's so depressing. It's redundant and it's dark. Obviously it's black and white and choke great but it's not too narrow best performance when he's fat by the way he doesn't even look like it. Looks like a guy with a fat suit. Fake knows. I mean you crazy if you so you like smiles and sunshine movies this movies too serious for me to do what you just said. You'd like rocky is at a smile at such a movie. He doesn't need me. The greatest sports movies have out there. I think memorial the titans billion times better than rocky a remember. The titans is a million times better than rocky. Yes i agree not a million. But it's better. It's a movie that you don't know how it's going to end like you help rockies gonna end now let's let the birthday boy settle limits. You haven't seen it. i've seen. Oh i've seen i've seen rocky i'm just wasn't into raging is quite rocky now radio when you better than rocky put reggie bowl. My top sports movie it lists. That's a good all right conan and find some common ground turtle boy you have no artistic personal miracles. The best sports movie of all time. You know i'm gonna make my top five as we sit here right now. It's gonna go remember the titans who's your miracle Eddie had and i. I used to say that eddie's the worst sports movie ever made and i saw it on a plane so it was kind of trapped. And it's so bad you're just in awe of how bad is you're in awe that they made a movie i know. Celtic cried was bad. In the fenway. Movie jimmy fallon sucked. But when you watch this movie eddie where. Whoopi goldberg coaches the knicks. You're in off how bad it is and how it got made. Even though it's so fricking bad would you agree. You're looking at and you're going somebody in hollywood invested in this paid. These people took the time to make this piece of garbage remake acre knicks. Is that what happens. Movie would be coaches the knicks. Yes yes enough. Now that is the plot that idea what we coaches the knicks. And guess what she's got. Sass and girl and i don't even remember the end but i'm gonna guess she one. Here's the guest. I'm guessing that mao in that movie. The players overcame their misogynistic. Tendencies to not wanna female coach because they respected are. I'm guessing that i'm going to say. I didn't love raging bull. I don't put it on my all time. Best it's overrated. But it's better than eighty. It's better than any remake that with Fizi fits takes over fifty coaches the patriots in twenty twenty three. I can't even stand looking at whoopi. Elect for two seconds on a clip from the view. On worst you know. She's she's lighting. The christmas tree at rockefeller plaza center This on the next show. By the way i watched that last night because remember the football game got bumped by the christmas tree at rockefeller plaza and A bunch of people singing christmas songs. So i left the tv on and it was as bad in a stupid as you could imagine. The rock cats came out danced with masks on the rock. Cats all gone and they were sequined masks. Anyway you guys miss that the gymnastics kids. Were watching it on my. This is not a parade children. This is a disgrace turtle boy mike dolan says about pay pay pal and anything else and anyone else who's canceled due but keep us updated. You are fighting the good fight. We are Hopefully everybody's rooting for you. Even the even our liberal friends out there who don't particularly like you the idea that you can be cancelled. Just cancelled is scary so Good luck with that brother. Good luck with. I don't know anyone that wants to donate to which they send your cash money order something. We'll get a po box. We'll figure it out you can check them out at daily news dot com. Check out his work. See the reason that everybody has gone after him trying to cancel him in ruin his life. He can read all about an on. Tb daily news dot com turtaboi. Have a good weekend so conan you get a special planet. I asked you earlier. But i'm serious now. Most thirty five year old guys. You know young kids. They have that one special night every year. It's birthday with a little eighty takes good care of them. No i don't now. I'm just in the mood to watch like tin copper. Something you put me in a sports movies. I liked him cup. I'm cheech cheech. Marin steals the movie. I think maybe just got my bottle. Pink whitney and watch tin cup. Go to sleep and wake up and they let you have some me time you get to drink alone. Oh yeah sure. Yeah go to bed. And i'll stay up and yeah i'll i'll say stay up past my bedtime of having a socially distance birthday parties. The family coming over neighbours. Anybody no yeah no. We are abiding by me. I listened to the rules. And i buy them so we are not we will. I was going to say take them all to the legacy club. You lost all our passes. We still fight to the death about the second one. So you're not really sticking to that lie are you know why why why is my quote unquote li- any different from your potential. Losing it on your own. Oh did he used to roll. I don't lose things. Secondly you said you put it on the windshield and you didn't put the second time. You didn't put the card in an envelope like you did the first time so. I don't care what you said you put it under the wipe of my car right right. I know you're lying house. I didn't use my car okay. So that's that's my point. I didn't know if you could have grabbed it and put it somewhere. There's no different. He grabbed. i never touched it. I asked you where it was if i grabbed it. Why when i ask you where you could have forgotten just grabbing it putting it in your pocket. I took it up a windshield and put it in my wall. No i couldn't have forgotten. I don't know just tell you. I'll tell you when your child i would say just say you lost it and we move on. No because i'm going back at you saying i don't believe i did. I i mean know and by the way you lost the first one lying. No that one. I did lose. That's fair that's i think his we can agree on your. You should continue to look for it because you you had it you lost. I continually look for the first one. And i don't believe i had anything to continue. Look for the second one. I know that. I lost the second one. I don't know if you lost yet. That's the issue. Do you know that i earn. No you won't be walked out to my car. Took an from under the windshield wiper. See i'm not like you. I'm not like black and white. I think that there could be other things that happen. I have no idea you could have grabbed it. Forgot about anything could have could have happened. I just remember going back there. That's what i told you. I saw a guy. The second time who i was scared shitless off so i i ran from into my out of my car and back to the car so i remember that i've heard that about you. You are an unusually good liar. Keep looking keep looking for it. Is this true. I saw this. I'm looking at twitter. That dr fauci is time man of the year. Is that true. Oh nuts oh so. That's the the nominees we did. We went through the other day nominee. I'm trying to find out if this is confirmed or they're just assuming he's going to win it because let's face it. The guy's been amazing been hasn't been wrong about anything but In his there's no process to that right. It's just basically where people talking about. So you can be your person in the world. Are you could be the most evil and at the end of the day to the most talked-about personal which trump and i know he's all right. There's no year where he couldn't win it. That's ridiculous you're probably right. If it's the biggest newsmaker i could see. Give it a cheap. I mean cuomo was a frigging finalised But If it is if that's just the biggest newsmaker you can be bad guy. You can be hitler. hiller wanted. Stalin wanted twice. So i guess if if you're the biggest news may give it a foul she give it a cuomo. Give it a blm or any of these. No no wait a second. Oh they have a kid of the year. They named the kid of the year some fifteen year old scientist. That's amazing that it's not quite a number but it looks like a aggressive leuenberger. Wanna be a kid of the year who fifteen year old inventor who used technology to tackle the big issues. I can't wait to read that one exciting colony happy birthday. Thank you enjoy you know. Let me know if you find the second pass all right you know you lost it. Just knee lost it. I do not. And by the way. If i'm a good liar. Start utilizing it more. So that's a trillion l. Say this you give it your best shot a lot but you pull it off sometimes. You don't yeah. I thanks thanks to dc you shake concrete paving and flagship at thanks to conan the birthday. Boy you can wish him. Happy birthday on twitter. These not a birthday guy but he would love to hear from log really retweeted reply to it. Yeah he will reply gets back everybody put i enjoy it konate. Thanks a much jerry. Kelly and this the callahan podcast from the talk to. Why am i stopping. You know what else stops. Can i go home. Good gerry callahan podcast.

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How the media really works. How the news gets made. How all of us can help make it better this hour. We're gonna show you the anatomy of smear. We'll show you took the bait and do didn't twin dirty tricksters made up allegation against Tepe Buddha judge. Plus what went wrong with the New York Times? We have answers about how that the antisemitic cartoon was published in the international editions and later, my brand new reporting about impending shakeups CBS news, but first a big move by Facebook banning several accounts. And now there's new blowback from the commander in chief. President Trump's furious reaction to Facebook's action showcases that he is I'm sorry to say, but info wars president. He is promoting the same alternative universes invo wars and sharing videos from repugnant characters now wars, of course, is that web show and website. Led by rage. A Hollick Alex Jones full of fear mongering and conspiracy conspiracy. Theorising inva- wars tells viewers at the world is out to get them. Jones is facing multiple lawsuits related to his lies about sandy hook school massacre and the murder of DNC staffer Seth rich. But none of this seems to repel. President Trump invo wars content is useful to him the worst personalities align with them, he even gave an interview Alex Jones back on the campaign trail on Saturday. Trump went on Twitter spree and said, it's so great to watch this while sharing a video from info wars. So you also repeatedly retweeted again aimed Paul Joseph Watson, one of the info wars figures who's been banned by Facebook. He also retweeted a strange video about Islam from username, deep state exposed the buys into the and non theory. This is this is troubling stuff. A lot of it is troubling stuff at the same time, the president's decrying Facebook's action. Now, you may have heard about this Facebook decided to block six users as well as info wars as an organization. The high profile names include nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan has been called out for his anti-semitism as well as Paul Neilan who is a congressional candidate who also has clearly antisemitic views, so you see here there. Six people there's one organization band, and it's not just Facebook. Trump has also been complaining about Twitter, how Twitter sometimes to spends or briefly puts counts into a time out period. He's complaining about James woods, the actor. And right wing star. Who right now is on Twitter. Timeout. Look the president is clearly trying to tap into conservative concerns about right wing censorship. Social media censorship. How real are those concerns though, how legitimate is this? And how's Facebook deciding who should be banned in the first place. Joining me now to discuss all of this is CNN senior meteorologist Darcy coast to the fifth column podcasts Camille, foster New York magazine, senior correspondent CNN contributor Iran Carmen, and in Washington jug leg is the former editor of the progressive website think progress now. The author of the popular information newsletter. Let me start with you. Because you've talked in the past about the president and his relationship with info wars. What do you think you're seeing happened? Now as the president goes on these re tweets breeze. Well, Trump is doing this because he needs people to believe that Facebook is against him. And that Facebook is biased against because that's the only way that he has the space to operate on Facebook his campaign, the twenty twenty campaign. He put the strategist in charge of his Facebook strategy. Brad par scowl is now the campaign manager, and they are instituting exactly what they did in two thousand sixteen which is a whole series of ads that are misleading. And so if they go after info wars for misleading content, if they go after Milo if they go after any of these folks, he's going to be next. And so that's why he's doing that. Because he needs to be able to draw a team. He can't let them draw distinction between what info wars is doing and what NBC or CNN or any mainstream media organization is doing even though we get from input wars is conspiracy theory crap. I mean right in the wake of the Notre Dame fire. Alex Jones was on there talking about whether it was arson talking about how the rest of the media was lying about what happened Oliver tried to sting wish for us between you know, when we talk about these topics and talking about these figures, why is it that the six individuals were banned by Facebook. What makes them different from others? Well, these these are very extreme individuals. No matter what anyone tells you they are extremists. And that's why Facebook decided to get rid of them on the platform of the day back to your point though about the info wars presidency. I want to know and tweeted this of the day. What is the difference right at this point between Trump's Twitter feed and Infowars dot com. You know, info wars might have been banned from from Twitter, but it seems to have found a new home over at Trump's Twitter feed. And while he's promoting in legitimizing this news organization. We should also talk about how he's trying to tear down credible. Sources for news the Washington Post, the New York Times CNN he was questioning why these news organizations have the ability to be on Twitter. And why are they not banned? Right while saying that the info wars should be reinstall. Needed. It's it's not right fake news, real real news. This fake Camille do answer tall recession about info wars and the president. I think there might be a challenge with respect to the framing here of the categorical condemnations. It's extremist, it's racist stanzi semitic. I think judging and parsing the content of particular claims of particular assertions from different outlets from different people is totally appropriate. I think scrutinizing, however, just the the broader concern that is starting to be raised in a lot of different circles with respect to censorship is. I think highlighting that is very important. Of course speech can be dangerous. Of course, there are ideas that are unsavory that we don't like, of course, Facebook's shouldn't be coerced into into associating with people against their own desires. But the fact that speech can be dangerous. I think it's far more dangerous to engage in censorship. It's far more dangerous to have a culture that becomes. So a. Opposed to having anyone with unsavory views have a place to be able to share their views to be able to promote their views. Sunlight is often the best disinfect the argument is meets those views on their views. Meet them other views air, Motzer reaction. I think actually that we've had an experiment in a kind of free market of ideas, and it has failed the capitalist model of like this will, you know, they'll be a clash of ideas, and everyone will be able to figure out which ones are good or not that. That's what got us comet pizza. I'm not sure what that leaves you with. What does that leave you? With who gets the sanction. What is appropriate for us to hear right now. Big. Basically we need and I'm suggesting that on suggesting that Facebook can can continue to make their own determinations. I'm saying that especially here for place in places where people are getting media that is appropriate for us to always be skeptical of an approach that says, if someone has ideas that someone says are dodgy, they shouldn't be allowed to share those ideas. But are these these profitable? This is the idea that Facebook, I think that he has here's this Facebook get to have rules, right? The rules. What does Facebook do shrines? Do. They just ignore the fact that these people. Yes. Against planned censorship. Is that? That is totally fine. I think that there is something else. That's happening though. Where we we are bleeding into a circumstance where we say, oh that is obviously antisemitic that person is an extremist person. Nice. Beginning. So let me bring you in a model. The same thing jug. Go ahead. Yeah. I was just going to say the idea that sandy hook is a hoax, and that the children who were murdered on that day is in is were actors is not promoted by not in idea. And that's not something that needs to be debated on Facebook or on CNN or anywhere. And that is what is going on. So then to to just obstruct it all and say, oh, this is just a marketplace of ideas, we just need to discuss this. These are not ideas. It's not an eye. Consumers you confront bad ideas with good ideas, you confront people who are saying things that you don't like in the public square. You don't pretend that you can abolish them to the depths of the internet, and they won't be a voice anymore. More dangerous the evidence shows that actually allowing them to proliferate on these platforms is allowing them to be legitimized and to grow. I mean, if you look at the fact that Milo, for example, when he was taken off certain platforms. My kids was his influence diminished vastly his pineapple viability diminished vastly. So I think allowing these ideas to circulate on platforms that are owned by private companies. They are finally it's a little bit too little too late. But they're finally taking responsibility for the fact that like any media company, they have a responsibility for setting rules following them. And making sure that dangerous things are not happening on their platform. And when see you think should not have been been. I think it's the reason I tried to take this away from the specific issues brought him is because there have been times in this country's pass where important things like civil rights. Okay. Things that people were saying. Promote the civil rights to promote message nation. Let's let's acknowledge the fact that the kind of speech that needs to be protected is always at the margin. It's always with fringe. I think we're all struggling with at least went on for somebody really remarked to me that perhaps I'm doing perhaps about this perhaps the internet is to the first amendment what the AK47. is to the second amendment something that was not imagined or fathomed two hundred plus years ago when when our constitutionalists founded that doesn't mean that we need to make drastic changes. But the world that we're living in something that was not could not have been foreseen. That's very dangerous these events. I think that's a very dangerous perspective, quite frankly. I think that the fact is that abolitionists once they got their hands on the printing press, we're using it to promote ideas that were very very radical. That one could say are dangerous. There are people who were fighting for the abolition of slavery who could be described as dangerous radicals who were willing to to promote violence in order to achieve their land. I don't think that the about give me this. Do you think Facebook should have rules? Absolutely. What eating? What eating able to make what the ending should happen to someone if they repeatedly violate Facebook. I think Facebook gets to make their own rules. I'm saying. If you were in the pundits shirtless that we ought to always be acknowledging the factor. Yes, we are going to use free association to make it deeply bickers expensive. His base is they're not. They would argue. They're not banning ideas. They're banning people who are repeatedly in right Schreyer leading the rules each against a whole bunch of rules. That's very clearly laid out there. What did you say? That is only cheerleader not raise some concern about the fact that broader. I agree. Be in condemning people categorically getting rid of them in the public space when they say things that we don't like it's always a consequence. It's always one of those things where the fringe the margins can actually grow. Well. As well for court that could hash stuff out. But the bottom line is Facebook has rules if you break those rules that are going to take action against you. And that's not that's not necessarily about raising. And it's not government. It's not a government relationship, actually, free speech issue. Judge just one more thought on this for new the president's saying it's getting worse and worse for conservatives. Specifically, he's calling out censorship of conservatives. Is there a lot of evidence that conservatives are targeted by big tech? Not at all. I mean, if Facebook is biased against conservatives. Why is Fox News? The number one shared website on Facebook. Why is the daily wire which is a right wing blog, and you're going to have their their editor and chief on later in the top ten why is it the diamond and silk get more distribution than most any other video platform, and why are they spending? Why Trump campaign spending two hundred thousand dollars or more per week on a platform that supposedly biased against conservatives. It just doesn't make any sense in the last thing, I'll say is this isn't a first amendment issue. This is an issue of a private company. Deciding what goes on their platform? Just like I don't get to go on Tucker Carlson every single night. Alex Jones doesn't have a right to be on Facebook. You mentioned the daily wire. So let me bring in Ben Shapiro. He's the editor in chief the daily wire we talked about this Facebook issue a little earlier. What's your view about the company taking action against these high profile Facebook pages, and basically just deleting them from the internet? Well, I mean, I'm troubled by the fact that Facebook can't articulate a clear standard by which decides who gets to stay and who gets to go. There are private company, obviously, they can do what they want to a certain extent when I say to a certain extent, I mean, if they don't wanna be considered publishers like CNN is publisher or like, my type daily wire is a publisher. Then that means that there has to be some sort of objective metric that can be used to determine whether someone gets kicked off or gets to stay on if they decide to exercise editorial judgment from the top down, which views arcane, which views or not they should be treated like any other publisher, the problem that I have here is I don't see any articulate -able standard for for what exactly they're doing. By the way, the people who are banned are largely people who've targeted me, personally, if an express and have expressed hate toward me personally that is not relevant to the question is to whether they ought to be prohibited from the public discourse in my view. Facebook would be best served if they simply held to a basic I? Amendment standard, which is threats of violence incitement to violence. Right. Actual clear incitements violence, not sort of the broad definition. That's now being bandied about. But an actual clear definition that sort of stuff would be banned copyright violation would be banned that sort of stuff makes sense. But the idea that you can police hate just quite hates that anything that you find hateful as a pretty broad definition, considering how much we argue over what is considered hateful, and how much political speech ought to be included in that rubric. We'll have to the terms of service say it's violation to be engaging in what they call organized eight. And it seems that's what they're saying info wars is engaging in the question is how has organized hate to find and who gets to decide and that really is the question, they I'll take an example, New York Times piece that covered the Facebook ban. It explicitly talked about how some of the figures here. Alex Jones, for example, or Milo Yiannopoulos had interacted with Gavin mcginnis. We'll give them a Guinness used to appear on Fox News is Fox News. Now going to be banned. Also, Louis Farrakhan is one of the people who was banned from Facebook presumably for engaging in exactly this kind of hate well, snoop Dogg then went on. On Instagram and released video Instagram is owned by Facebook. And that means that if that that snoop Dogg released a video calling for people to actively post video of Louis Farrakhan, whom he called a brother and a man of truth to get around me ban. Now, I mean, how is this going to work the slope is so slippery? And yet at the same time, isn't there some responsibility that these companies have to show to stop the sickest kinds of ideas from spreading? Well, again, I think that when we talk about the sickest kind of ideas, I think that the best way to fight sick ideas is to fight sick ideas by talking about how terrible they are instead of casting them out. And then say, we're never going to talk to you. Whenever going to answer your questions. All that does is actually I think make people more extreme horse searching for answers to questions and instead of going to people who have good answers, they go to people who have bad answers because some people have ruled the question out of bounds and something that Steven pinker from Harvard has said, and I think it's exactly true one of the big problems here again is that. If it is up to Facebook to police violence all four I mean, if you're talking about people who are actively calling for violence on other people that is violation of the first amendment. That's not even protected by the first amendment. If it comes to here is a view that could theoretically make somebody mad enough that they could go do something bad that's true for virtually all political views from Bernie Sanders is news which presumably motivated, a guy to go shoot up. A congressional baseball game to President Trump's views which some people have cited in their own violent attacks. If it becomes a situation where any political view taken by a bad or extreme person can be used as an excuse for the violence such that, we are going to start casting out those political views free speech really isn't dangerous a principal. I'm struck to hear you say this just a couple of days after it was reported that a man was arrested by the FBI for threatening you with very explicit death threats. What can you tell us about that case? I can't tell you much legally speaking because the case is still ongoing I will say that the death rate. It's were very explicit. And this is one of the reasons why I think that the Facebook statement where they said that they are trying to fight back against violence and hate beacon flation of violence with eight. I think is a very big mistake. I've been targeted for a very long time by white supremacist and people on the all right? I was the number one recipients of their hatred in two thousand sixteen online according to the anti defamation league. I know the difference between people who are who are engaging in speech that I consider hateful, but it's not a violent threat and what a violent threat actually looks like. And I think that distiction that distinction is deeply necessary for us to preserve because otherwise to acquaint speech with violence really takes us to dark road. They continue up next reliable. Sources the New York Times making big changes after apologizing for an anti-semitic cartoon, plus is the president's spin winning. When are we going to hear from Robert Muller? Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Xeni optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame styles and materials there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. Plus is any offers prescription sunglasses at incredible prices. Visit Xeni today at Xeni dot com slash ready. That's Z E N N. I dot com slash ready. All right. The Muller reports been out for a couple of weeks. Now, I have my print copy here. I got it from Amazon it's officially the best selling book in the country. The Washington Post version is number one on the New York Times bestseller list, but it only takes tiny fraction of the country. Hit number one checkout CNN's findings here we recently pulled the country. We've found that the respondents said almost no one's read the entire report. Some people have read some of it. But most Americans have not read any of the report yet. Meantime, it seems that there's some infighting a FOX about the importance of the mother bar disagreement back with me now, Oliver Camille, an era and our significance of the Muller report now in print people at least some people are reading it. But most are not this begs the question for me about why Robert Muller has not spoken publicly on camera yet when is he going to testify? Yeah. It seems like he's a guy who's by the books. Right. And doesn't want to maybe break tradition and go out in front of cameras and remember? Komi got in a lot of criticism for doing that with the Hillary Clinton. Thanks. So maybe he's saying that and not wanting to to repeat the same error there. But it is giving Trump, you know, the upper hand at least in the public relations debate because he's being very loud going on Twitter or going during interviews saying that this vindicates him and really kind of coloring the public's perspective on what the report found while Muller's remaining silent. And he's basically, you know, not saying anything and has he expresses misgivings in a letter to tune in to letters. We know that now we know we know that now so very little do you think you're in even televised hearings would breakthrough in this multiplatform age. I think we live in a very distracted time. I mean, even before you get to the fact that people have different filters through which whether they're watching a certain network versus another whether their Facebook network is the one that is refracting things. I think there's it's so hard for anything to be more than like ten minutes story right now. Right. Even if there were a couple of viral moments that came out, I think like I've seen this. Sort of drumbeat, especially from Democrats that if they did have televised hearings. I think people hearing from Robert Miller, maybe it would be at another level. But even so I think we no longer live in the age of Watergate, right where where we're only filtered through three major networks, and everybody's watching the same thing every night, and there's some kind of political consensus even with respect to what's being covered on the news. I think we just saw that in the prior segment. So so I think that anyone who's hoping to focus the public's attention on. What's inside the Muller report televised hearings could only go so far? How important all of this is or isn't. We saw some of that on Fox News this week. Here's Chris Wallace reacting to some of his opinion side colleagues and disagreeing with their assessment. I know there are some people who don't think that this March twenty seven slider is a big deal, and you know, some opinion, people some opinion people who appear on this network who may be pushing a political agenda, but we have to deal in facts. Now, I kind of think it's a good thing that we see the news anchor, disputing the opinion sides comments on FOX. Yeah. Absolutely. Any newsroom you wanna have some plurality of perspectives? They are or some diversity of perspective, excuse me. So I think that's a very good thing. I also think that with respect to the particular controversy here. The fact is that I'm not certain that most Americans in any context at any historical. Epoch would have all read the mother Amorn from never covered. So we're necessarily dealing with summaries and with respect to the particular objection that was raised in mother's letter. Look, it's a four hundred page report. You get a four page letter. Yes. It doesn't catch all of the context that nuance. That said we do have the entire report now with reductions, and so far as I know I'm not hearing any murmuring that Muller believes that the report as has been released has somehow played down the conclusions. That were reached there. In fact, it's something that doesn't work particularly well for the president beyond the actual Russian conspiracy questions. The other half of the report doesn't put him in a very good light at all. And I don't think that bar sugarcoated that even his four-page letter, quite frankly says what it describes that it has the specific language from the report that talks about the fact that this does not exonerate the president. It's hard for me to see this whole thing is sort of only spending in the president's direction. There are lots of voices that are talking about. This and very thought only Oliver I want to turn to the fallout from the New York Times publication of antisemitic cartoon, this was in the international dishes of the New York Times back about ten days ago you and I report on this this week we've found what actually happened. How did this get into the paper? It seems that this, you know, newspaper that global edition the there are times has not have as much oversight. Right. As the actual New York Times that we see here in print in New York City and around the country, say only one editor picked out this cartoon, and nobody else saw it before it was purchased insane. And it's something you might expect at some other paper where you think it's lower staff and they've been facing cutbacks by the New York Times has been doing quite well lately as as we all know, and it's the New York Times. So you would think that this is at least subject to two or three editors before it goes to print and the fact that one editor can make this terrible decision. And and not have had oversight. It is crazy to me. Yeah. The publisher of the times came out and enlisted five steps that have been taken as a result. This is what the publisher AG osbour- said he said, they're changing the product. In processes, they're not going to run anymore syndicated cartoons. They've canceled the contract with the company they're taking disciplinary steps with the editor who picked it. And they're going to update unconscious bias training to ensure it has more of a focus on anti-semitism. Erin does that seem like a satisfactory response. I think it is. Yes, I think it was they were very transparent about what happened. They talked about how they were going to deal with it. I mean to me, I I am an Israeli citizen. I was born in Israel. I'm fourth generation of Zionists in my family. I thought that the cartoon was offensive. But I also thought that the attention paid to it was disproportionate. I was more convenient because it is the New York Times. Yes. Look, I think I think they really messed up. I think the cartoon is inexcusable and it plays on antisemitic tropes. But beyond folks like us reporting on what happened which is important. I also saw it kind of being cynically exploited to change the subject from the fact that for example, just over a week ago. Somebody took up arms and entered a synagogue in California and killed somebody. I mean, we are we're talking about anti semitism in this. Country. And by the way, it goes back very far in Europe. It is a deep tradition of anti-semitism in Europe homegrown. But but here we also I mean again in the previous segment, we haven't really heard any of that kind of transparency or taking responsibility or apologizing for example, from the president of the United States coddling anti-semites. So just wanted put this a little bit in proportion because I know that a lot of people seize on this who already have an agenda because they want to discredit the New York Times. And I think the New York Times responded adequately. And we need to see this in proportion your visit around Oliver Camille, thanks for being here quick break. And then we're going to talk about the anatomy of a smear. Sara Murray stemming by with a story about dirty tricksters who tried to take down people to judge, but only hurt themselves. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Hey, welcome back to reliable. Sources. I'm Brian Stelter? Now to the anatomy of a smear. Let's show you how inept political operatives tried to take down a presidential candidate and only ended up humiliating themselves. Now with what we're about to show, you keep in mind legitimate newsrooms did not take this bait, but several pro-trump websites did which tells you a lot about their low standards. This is a story about Buddha. Judge who happens to be on the cover of time magazine right there with his husband groundbreaking cover. A man came up with a made up sexual assault allegation against Buddha. Judge. Here's C N N's Sara Murray with the story behind the story. Neither time hunter Kelly offered. CNN on camera interview to talk about the time. Pete Buddha judge allegedly assaulted him the claim which Kelly now admits was fake had already whipped around the right wing internet. And mayor Pete had dismissed it. Sure is not the first time. Somebody's going to make something up about me. It's not going to throw us politics can be ugly. Sometimes, but you have to face avenue, you're in presidential politics. The made up allegations against the democratic presidential hopeful quickly crumbled, and the story of the smear campaign emerged according to Kelly it began when Jacob will host Jacob all far right internet personality messaged Kelly on Instagram. Do you want to be part of a political operation? Kelly a twenty one year old gay Trump supporter from Michigan was intrigued on Sunday. He took a late flight to the Washington area. Paid for by wool and Jack Berkman a Republican lobbyist and conspiracy theorists. They wanted to take down the gay south bend mayor that they've you'd as Trump's top threat in twenty twenty with repeat? Now, can he the appeal of him? I mean, obviously, he's the first gay candidate. He's already kind of pushed Vado out of the way as the star candidate. He's raising money hand over Kelly went to Berkman Towse and in the pre dawn hours Monday reviewed a version of an essay written under Kelly's name saying he had been sexually assaulted by Buddha. Judge Kelley told wool he was incredibly uncomfortable and not on board with their plan. Kelly went to sleep. And by the time he woke up around eleven AM Monday. He said wool had posted the essay to medium in the hours that followed post got more than twelve thousand Facebook interactions, according to a media analysis it was picked up and reshare by right wing sites. Like, big league, politics, info wars, news wars, and the gateway pundit, potentially reaching millions of readers, the mainstream media wasn't reporting the claims, but by two pm mayor Pete was asked about them. Anyway. Calendars, GOP political operative Alice, Stuart says the campaigns past enforceable response was their best bet. The campaign response was an a plus but morning working on Ted Cruz as presidential campaign Stewart knocked down tabloid tales like crews, having five mistresses and a father who was involved in the JFK's assassination in this day and age of social media, and Twitter and Facebook and Instagram ally can get all the way around the world before the truth puts his pants on Kelly returns CNN's call about two hours after mayor Pete's press. Gaggle Kelly only wanted to talk on camera. We pressed for more details to corroborate the claim, but got no response later. He would tell CNN Berkman and wool forced him to read a script. Berkman the same man who helped fuel Seth rich conspiracies twice in the back who helped try to paint a fake sexual assault allegation on special counsel. Robert Muller firm. Jan Berkman and associates LLC has launched. Massive investigation of Bob Muller around seven thirty pm Monday Kelly texted, I was set up and admitted the allegations against Buddha judge were fabricated. He accused Berkman wool of setting up a fake Twitter account in his name to spread the story. Berkman claims Kelly willingly signed a statement describing the assault. He says he was trying to help Kelly get the story out of this nonsense of he didn't sign forge, of course, all of. That's not true. I think hunters of very fine young, man. I don't understand why. He's now telling these lies. It was definitely something. I wish I could take back going out there. Kelly told CNN, but I can't. So I'm trying to right? My wrongs let the truth be told. Now Jacob wall has also denied that he was involved in any kind of campaign to try to fabricate fabricate these allegations. He says hunter Kelly was sincere and insist that the only reason Kelly's retracting these now is under pressure from his family. It's worth noting though, Brian that the last scheme like this that will in Brooklyn were involved in that had to do with special counsel that one was referred to the FBI through the BI. This really shows how ugly can get out there and how confusing and it can be online. What are the voter DOJ campaign? Tell you. Well, I was talking to one of their staffers, and they said, you know, one of the things that they really appreciate it throughout. This whole episode was that the mainstream media was much more skeptical about this. They didn't immediately run out there and start reporting it, and so that's sort of minimized the echo chamber, but they had also heard you know, a week before these allegations. I came out that Jacob wall was out there. He was kind of looking for someone to make up claims against mayor Pete. And so they will sort of on alert for something like this coming out gotta call this though about when we see Sarah, thanks for being here. Much. Thanks when we come back more with Ben Shapiro does immediately faith out of the conversation. That's next. I'm Biagio Messina. And I'm joke VIN soon. We are the producers behind the H L N television documentary series unmasking killer. Join us as we explore the identification capture and arrest of Joseph James de Angelo, the alleged Golden State killer in a special ten part podcast series unmasking killer, all new episodes premiering Tuesday. February twelfth subscribed today at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Smears bands and everything in between. But are we missing something deeper is the way forward and this national debate, actually inward? Let me bring back daily wire editor and chief Ben Shapiro. His new book outlines what he calls the evolution of American values. The title of the book is the right side of history. It's been topping the bestseller lists. We spoke a little more than a year ago about media bias and the coverage of President Trump. So I asked Ben more about that as well. What are you trying to say with the new book is kind of a reaction to the the fever pitch media air that we're in now? I mean, what what the book is really trying to say is that if you look at America today, we are more prosperous and free than we have ever been. And yet we're more angry each other really ticked off at each other all the time what is happening here. And my main thesis is that we used to at least have certain common values that built a social fabric, and that is beginning to wane, and so what the book really is is an exploration of those common values from a historic point of view. The volition of American values that I think starts at Mount Sinai and stretches forward through the sermon on the mount balanced by Greek rationality, and the use of reason and faith intention with one another is what I see just built the west. I think we need to go back to respect for both reason and faith intention with one another as opposed to dismissing faith as some sort of the theocratic nonsense dismissing reason as anti as anti feelings, we need both of those things working together and intention with one another to continue to. Build the structure that has created all of our freedom and prosperity talking about faith fucking about religion. It's oftentimes a blind spot for the American media. It's an ongoing disappointment for me. And I think for a lot of other people as well that these topics are not more front and center in the public square that the press creates I mean, I totally agree with this. And it's really a serious problem because unfortunately, the media because they're located where they're located because people who tend to go to j school are people who tend to be more secular in orientation, people to university tend to be more secular orientation, there seems to be a huge blind spot in discussion of religion. And what that leads to is sort of tagging this stick relationship with people who are religious in attempt to mislabeled anybody who's religious as a big to suggest that religious beliefs. I really just cover for an innate bigotry, and that if we just got rid of the religion, then we'd be able to get beyond the bigotry. I don't think that that's an accurate assessment of what religion means to people. I don't think it's an accurate assessment of what church means to people. And I think that people on the coasts very often tends to be pretty Bligh about the social fabric. That is. Created by community and church in America. And as that fades away, there's a big gap that's left, and that is not being filled by Facebook. I remember when we spoke last year, you talked about a tonal shift that was needed in coverage of President Trump. The coverage oftentimes comes across his way to negative to a big chunk of the population. Do you still feel that's true now between nineteen? I mean, I do listen I've said all along when President Trump says something that's not true. The media should fact check him just as they should any other president. When when President Trump says something that is morally reprehensible, you should be called on that just as any other president should be. But the constant drumbeat that President Trump is is an awful awful man that orange man bad, and that therefore he should be ousted on the basis of his lack of character. And that other characters in politics are imminently better. And that what we have here is a true moral conflict in terms of character. And that if you back President Trump, this is really where you go too, far, what you see from media's this idea that if you back President Trump, it's inherently because you back the worst things that he has ever said or ever done that is that is a that is an untrue statement the media, you mean liberal commentators. Right. I mean, I do mean liberal commentators. I also mean very often liberal commentators who pose as journalists, and this has been one of the great battles inside the media. You know that people like me go are openly conservative, and I say I will cover the news from an openly conservative perspective. We need a lot of both. Right. We did a lot of reporters who are just gathering fact. Acts and we need a lot of people who have views about those facts and perspective about those facts. The issue is when it gets really blurry. Right. It gets really really blurry to the point. Where people can't recognize which is which I think that's exactly right. And I think there are certain reporters who are better at this. And there are certain reporters who are not as good at this. And I would recommend honestly that even the objective reporters state upfront their political preferences. So that we can then determine how much of their political preferences is being reflected in their coverage. I don't see why more information handed to the American public is a bad thing. How do you walk this tightrope? But we'll actually do you think it is a tight rope. When when you're criticizing the president from a conservative point of view, knowing that some of your fans hate hearing that I mean, it's ever been a tight rope to me in the sense that the president is a human being we're all human beings who do bad things and who do good things when he does a bad thing. I've never felt the necessity to defend the bad thing that he is doing. And when he's on a good thing. I've never felt the necessity to disown the good thing that he's doing polite. Picture of the man off to be rivals. Do right? Lots of them feel that they can only say the positive newer all the negative. I mean, frankly, I don't think that's what people are looking for. I think what people are looking for is an honest, take not an objective take. But my honest, take a human being on what the president is doing what people don't want is a feeling like, you're subsuming, your honest, take in favor of political partisanship that gets boring. Very quickly. I agree with that. Does that does get bored? Very quickly. Ben, thanks so much for being here average at it. Ben's book is called the right side of history. It's in bookstores now coming up next here a major shakeup coming Monday morning at CBS news. My latest report right after the break. The cases we gotta find who wrote this note, we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out. 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This means she's replacing Jeff glor- at night and gets unclear but glory will be doing next. Oh, and the news is probably moving to DC the context for all the morning and evening shows on CBS perennially third place in the ratings behind NBC and ABC back with me now to discuss all of this Erin Carmen, Aaron you've written about CBS, and the turmoil there, in fact, it all started when you investigated Charlie rose, and he was fired. A result was back in November twenty seventeen and these dominoes are still falling. We'll look it's only been a few weeks since Susan's are Inskeep. Tick over in. What is a historic move. And I think we have we have to wait and see what she has. Land. She's only started a few weeks ago, and she has an unenviable task because law firms investigating the culture at CBS news found patterns of misconduct that backed up some of the investigative reporting that was done by myself, and my colleagues, and by Ronan Farrow, you had a culture all the way to the top. Right. Les Moonves you had former chairman Jeff Fager, credibly accused you had Charlie rose. Of course, the tally of Charlie rose accusers by the end of Miami. Britain's reporting was thirty five women, and we could have kept on going to be honest. And so you had a culture at CBS that really needed changing. And that's Susan's Inskeep. Job at at the same time. You have the same problems that everybody in television is facing which is massive technological change and aging audience tons of competition for people's attention. And so again, these were shows that already had a challenge about what their identity was. And now we're gonna see how is she going to meet those challenges while also. Also, making people feel like who really frankly been through a lot a lot of people had nothing to do with this. They were just trying to do their job. Right. They're just trying to report out there. And everyday they get to read in the papers from you and me what's going on at their workplace. There's a view that some of these staffers probably were unsupported, including at the anchor level. People like Jeff glor- go who still contribute here at CNN. And they were brought into these shows in two thousand eighteen trying to shore things up. The ratings were struggle Nelson's Renske seems to be moving people around to try to she thinks put pieces in the right places. And that includes Nora Donal on the evening news. It is still work noting even in two thousand nineteen we very rarely see a woman anchoring. The news anchors on on CBS right now, Katy Kirk dynasty. Diane Sawyer had the jobs in the past. But it's still notable to see a female network news president putting a woman in charge of the nightly news. It's still a historic moment. Yeah. And that's why I thought it was so disappointing to see the New York Post framing this kind of Gail Nora face off as if it was a fight because my. Is Nora O Donnell always had aspirations to host the evening news. And that, you know, giving her what she wanted is not gale forcing her out, which was the New York Post headline. But I think that there's a temptation to look at this kind of catfight narrative anytime they were going to be changes at a network. They're going to be dislocations. They're going to be people who disagree with those decisions. But the big picture here is that CBS corporate and CBS news in particular are on a project to change their culture. And we're about to see if it's gonna work your legs will be here Inc. Quick break here. And then a new coalition, you should know about its fighting to make a more wear. Journalists imperil all around the world. And it's gaining lots of new members. We'll tell you the story in just a moment. The right sheets can take your sleep and your style to the next level with Boll and branch. The upgrade has never been more affordable. Every set is crafted from one hundred percents organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time. 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Gov. Zack Morris? Hell Hath No Furry 9.18.19

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Gov. Zack Morris? Hell Hath No Furry 9.18.19

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It's Wednesday September eighteenth two thousand nine Hundred Name Is Jack O'Brien Aka the news ghostbuster ghostbuster courtesy of the Rahman King faced on Robert Evans's mistranslation Zeitgeist and I'm thrilled thrilled to be joining as always by my co host Mr Miles O'Brien my mom's holly again OPA Gang Israel John. This say raccoon good. I I welcome to embrace of that bomb and I'd sure Kristi Yamaguchi main does to accuracy meam doughnut. I called he responded. Thank you for that Lincoln Park Aka. Keep those come in. I we'll also still do nickel back. you know. I'm just feeling like many different John Dick as before now. Let's keep coming. Thank you and thank you for the belated. Birthday wishes awesome. Yeah Yeah appreciate big big ninety six years old. I'm decent Yup. No Man thirty five thirty five just like Prince Harry. 'cause you already know how they know. They know how yes that's true. and I am the Internet facts on the Internet's Prince Harry's the the Internet lacks of Prince Harry yeah well we're thrilled to be joined in thirteen by the Polaris and talented Theresa Lee Scarlett Johansson Asian always going to say with your blonde hair. I was like automatic. Appropriation goes both ways yeah yeah really does. Do you think you know somebody might do like and what about her hairstyle. No no it's going to happen at that has been somebody who's been called out for appropriating. Aryan hair. Well people have been called out for like trying to assimilate but that's that's more tricky because I feel like mental colonization. I do think I remember you know before beyond say with Queen B but she was rising as beyond say people called her out for like diner hair and lightning her skin or maybe so perhaps but I'm more in the sense of like you're saying you can't have blonde hair because that's no I know because most of the blondes I know are who are why are fake blondes. They just like it's a lifestyle they buy into and they're twelve and then lifestyle this state of mind. It's not culture. How has your blonde hair changed your life Theresa while I am very rich. You're rich. Caucasian Asian woman people approach you money the you know the one thing that I realized when I did this was I didn't know like I've done it before but this time at her way more and I just have a new aspiration like the Burns your head when they bleach your hair blonde. Take it out and the woman who did it. She was a woman she was like. Beauty is pain and just refuse to really like she's like she's seen it so much. She's like you look like you're dying but I know you'll be fine right this pay so I kind of do admire people who are hot for a living because I think it's very painful. I think they're constantly gently. Oh yeah crying from like bleach. I'm so ignorant because I'm thinking like how of course that's going to be in the future where we're like that was just bad. I think we're burning our scalps and everyone does it and it's okay but I can't cook the only the only thing I can connected to as seen in Malcolm X. When he's he's a relaxing his hair and I asked my grandfather? What was that like that shit hurts right with the hot comb. Yeah Wow oh yeah yeah. I expect you to be very rich by this time next year or it will not have been worth it right. We'll beauty is pain. We've all learned a lesson yes sir. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment first. We're gonNA tell our listeners a couple of things. We're talking about today. We're going to say a fond farewell to Shane Gillis Gillis from the cast of SNL. What a run WE'RE GONNA talk about trump's very totally sound attempts to appeal to Hispanic voters again. He we keep thinking. Maybe we've got him cornered this time and yeah punches way out. Oh man he's a genius. He's he's a political genius. all the right wing people who said that. I think the on our face yeah. We'll look pretty silly. WE'RE GONNA talk about whether whether the president will step down if he loses the two thousand twenty election Milo Yiannopoulos is trying to be very now. We're GONNA talk about how that's going going Sean Spicer should be you know trying to be a furry somewhere but instead. He is being normalized by dancing with the stars. We're GONNA talk about that. We're going to talk about a new Pizza Hut. food innovation less though and the stream will free wars is coming creations from that and of course we'll talk about the only way the canceled. Netflix show but I would like to ask our guest would is something from your search history. That's revealing about who you are. Oh so gold what it means when your dog keep keep sleeping under your bed when they used to sleep on your bed because on rather than on top with you yes so he used to sleep on my bed and and I used to try to teach him not to but then he just did it and it was okay and then all of a sudden he won't sleep on my bed and he kind of like I kind of feel like it's like a you know now personal rejects. It really feels like I'm GONNA loveless marriage. He did just get his annual checkup and he's fine so it's not a health thing so I thought maybe he was having some sort of emotional national version but most articles just said like they might be depression which I'm not sure or might be that they just are hot but it really feels like the way he's been like we'll come home and now instead of going to my room where he usually does he goes to my roommate's room and her doors usually close and then he sniffs for a moment and then looks at me and then goes to my room so I'm like this dog never scratches at your roommate's dagger through right. That'd be like please. Please get me away from this bitch exactly it does feel like very subtle emotional warfare. Who's trying to tell me that he doesn't doesn't want to be in this relationship. I really don't know what to do like. Do you give up a dog that we love you as much anymore. No like evolutionary reason for that because I I always wondered why my dog sleeps at the foot of my bed and there and I read that. It's like a pack animal thing where my my station is to be at the foot. I think I think that's what I've read that. I'm supposed to be the Alpha. Perhaps I did something in his eyes self yeah Freddie. You're so now. He doesn't respect me and he's choosing Mr. It's very bizarre. I don't have an answer your dog owners up. I think you've got to beat up another dog in front of him. Oh you know what I would do okay so he doesn't speak English but I don't know that he is here. I feel OK well. We'll test this out. I I will come in like fake rob him on the street. Yes exactly Offi my eyes are from Robert Wright right respect respect me exactly tell you remain either because her her whoever your roommate is you don't want them to give you want them to react as authentically as possible so the dog dog knows that you are the protector. I think that's that's a very good idea. I think I'll do that so if anyone wants to rob me. I will give you my show but if that doesn't work the only responsible responsible thing is for you to give him to me because you're adorable. I have ten does kind of look a little like fen to have similar yeah yeah yeah. He's he's like okay. less just messed up looking for one thing. I think has an eye that goes in all all sorts of different directions we. I like to call that. An independent key is he's DOT com. You can walk dot Com independent right. I I mean you're not dependent on the other independent. Spirit award goes to my the thing I was thinking of remember in that piece about What's her name the callaway away influencers? There's a reference to how she would like had a bunch of King Charles Cabaret wonder what Jack All narcissists. That's our our favorite type of dog. Is it that she wasn't what was it the reference who like King Charles that she would barely pay attention pay. She wouldn't take care of other. People had to deal with yeah. I also think like more dogs would sleep under beds if they like thought about it because dogs is more comfortable logically surgically. We'll know dogs like cave like dogs used to live in dens and so like that's a comfortable thing for them to do right Humphry yeah. It's not not the fact that he's under the bed. It's the fact that all of a sudden he chaos okay. I have to work on you. Know my our relationships. Maybe maybe I should tip pass them around to other friends for a couple of weeks at a time and then wait. Let them explore his options or like or any way we can. We can talk about all kinds of ways to manipulate your dog later look. It's clearly something you did. I was just trying to say what is something. You think is overrated. Oh Gosh what is overrated. I think I think owning house plants and having like a ton of them as overrated only because this is a personal vindiction because I can't keep them alive and I can't do it and I was a straight a student that nobody else should do right like I am mother. WHO's trying to get pregnant everywhere. There's babies babies everywhere. I mean people are posting these pictures of their beautiful homes beautiful plants yeah. I've had I've I believed myself to be part of the no plant. Kim Survive under my care tribe of people will but but then God decided to smile on you term and Her Majesty knows how to water plants no I I I I realized I was just terrible at watering plants and so now I have like we got alarms that we've got to admit a year to keep them or also like. Are you trying like how many why are you killing succulents. You heard about this with you one succulent. I put in my bathroom. I didn't know okay you know what I was wrong. No the succulent is not supposed to go the bathroom issue human so that was my mistake but every plan I've gotten I've. It's been like someone will say Oh. This is a very easy one and then put in the one worst place because I don't buy them. I'm from Home Depot. Which I guess is not what you're supposed to do because they don't apparently they don't really know how to tell you what am I going under. Your bed is what it is. He's morning earning his his sibling. Plants died No. Maybe I'll give it another shot. I just feel like it's like so much heartbreak. I can't bear fern is just hard can't do it overrated because it also feels like the it feels like the thing. I'm supposed to have right right yeah. You know what fake plants I know. I they're getting better plant. Yeah and it's all right. It's it's yeah it's they're alive. It's thriving with dust. We have a fake looks reeler than a real plants to like what kind of plans that kind of Islam. That's that's the genus would something you think is underrated. underrated okay. I had to let's see I'm GonNa go with this. One because it's religion we taught by yesterday. I think robot instagram accounts are underrated. There are accounts that like you know we all know about low Michaela. There's a lot more. There's like what's her face. Bermuda is bay. There's block. Oh do you guys know about the UH Michaela and her brother. They're very much in the same thing but but I think they're so crazy because they've really gotten down the tone of the influencers and not only that I I think people fall them because they think oh cool. We'll just like it's kind of a joke. I'm all in on it but then you're actually giving them power when they have followers or they're making brand deals and then you are actually just buying into their story. There's one called Bermuda as Bay A. and she had like a little beef with Michaela because they were dating the same guy. There's like full-on storylines and social post stories where she's like this man is trash and then she's like sad and then she's he's crying and really even though you know it's fake you watch it and you are into it and I think I mean that's the future. I don't know I remember the first I am. I saw a little Michaela Post. I was like something's wrong with her. Skin was like wait do good. This is a rendering of a fake robot intelligence that that has released six style has all white outfits well. What I love about them is that they aren't trying to hide the fact that the robots they're out there calling themselves like culture. Which is so weird? I guess it has it was really wild to me. I mean 'cause I do follow Michaela. Yeah but the second like the caption start becoming real and like they're. They're trying to create a narrative around them. I'm sort of like but how is that any different posture you this when you look at it like you probably follow tons of influencers right. Oh Yeah I mean people who follow influencers most of them don't meet them in real life but they believe they're real because they are right and then they buy into their stories but really at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. There's a person behind it. It's all through the screen right well because everything you know through the through your eyes. The screen is truth or you can believe it to be true so so yeah it's happening because it's doing exactly what a real thing would do. I almost virtually no difference except for you knowing it's about but they own that they're bought and no one like the three comedians that right for them right. Do you know people who write for a robot influence plenty of people who like I mean all of these people. They many people right. I I dream job to write for a robot. Honestly Oh hey wow harsh tame and ask for robot and live forever right. avenue in fact would still be more clear. I mean Teresa obviously knows we have a lot of robots who listen to this podcast and is trying to if if you have any need for someone very talented with the written word he's reach out to the people who are appearing in her pictures with her are like how how do those shoots the happen. I don't know I think there's a model there's a mall helps occupy the physical space rattles and things like that and then they'd and then they cause some of them are not good actors and you can tell they're like putting their hands somewhere that is just like mid yeah middle distance right but yeah so sometimes. It looks fairly seamless. How did we get this Michaela. Dailies keep reaching out people. What is a myth. What's something people think is true. You know to be false okay. I'm not originally I did want. I'm not gonNA have a robots but I just need to put that out there. That myth was going to be robot but you guys talked about it yesterday today. So I'm going to do another one. your miss was going to be robots. Knock no that all men are freaking out about robots killing them and it's not the real fear of their just afraid of not being powerful because robots aren't going to kill you create robots like you. If you create kills you. It will kill you but you're creating anyways. I'M NOT GONNA get into that. My Myth is okay so I'm dating a couple right now. It's a man and woman and never dated a couple before and I feel like there's a myth that when it's like a guy and a girl two girls having sex it's like a fantasy but in reality it's usually like the two more about two women and they most of the time we're just kinda like laughing at him and I think that that like would deter a lot of men from object it to find women and wanting to get into the reasons also encourage more women who in like woman to get into situations because it's really fun to be like look at another woman. That was ridiculous okay. He's GonNa go. He's already. He's tapped out. Talia and we'll yeah take forty five. Make a sandwich there you go after the long. Have have you been in this. Cup would well. We're not serious. I wouldn't call it a threat. They are a couple and where I'm casually dating. Okay yeah so like about two months ago. Exclusive okay so I'd like getting your concern mom now. Are they seeing other people my little baby. Everything is everything everything is very communicate kate of Nice but yeah. I just think that's something I didn't expect and I didn't ever think I wanted to just like have like a you know an ally in a situation where you're having sex with a man right in real time. Texas Yeah Yeah. That's fine takes it in good fun like that's the only way that kind of a relationship or stay. Hey how're about yourself yeah right exactly damn all right. Let's talk about Shane Gillis speaking of having a sense of humor about yourself bio so the second the second this came out just the video of him being incredibly racists. I immediately said two miles how long till the students autrey comic because it's it's. GonNa take a little bit because he has a weird hand to play right. There's a maybe a chance he could re enter mainstream comedy. He refused tried if he actually showed some kind of growth or repented but that doesn't look likely so then he's going to have to become very sullen. I don't know if he's at the requisite darkness to full on embrace the become alright heroes it's probably just going to. I feel like he's going to get a much bigger fan base out of this. He's going to be able to just appeal to his fans. I don't think he's going to grow because of this very unfortunate the way it all came out 'cause it's like they just research like. I just think twitter outrage socks but now so knowing what I know about him like yeah no that guy should be on TV. But why did that have to happen through twitter. That's all right yeah yeah well. I mean look depending on who to get your comedy takes from There's like a really like so many people have either come to just like just blame this dude or to put on their Cape and protect him. Rob Schneider is very notably recently was like man sorry for these comedic missteps or something like that is like it's unfortunate that someone missed like like no no no sir. I have his but didn't he. Do Yellow face to like. Oh Yeah Yeah but here's the thing with Rob Schneider. I understand that he's maybe a quarter Philip. He's he's parties Filipino but that's the sort of thing right when you have like sort of internalize white supremacy. It's the same way when I was a kid I would do jokes that played on me being Asian or black to make my white friends laugh because they had a very one dimensional understanding of what it meant to be black or Asian and then over time you sort of get disgusted with yourself or if you I have the wherewithal to understand you like I'm performing for the dominant culture. I'm not performing to empower myself. I'm belittling myself it to curry favor with the dominant culture. It's the Andrew Young as what we were talking about him when he doesn't same ship Asian so I know Dr Driving and Blah Blah. Fam- you in front of all Asian audience like like this is tired especially if you're running for presidency because there are people who actually do think I think that's a tricky thing as he comes from a culture. He's like comfortable enough to make those jokes to lighten lighten the mood if he's with people who get it and he's just trying to call out a stereotype but I feel like you just have to let that go because it's a stereotype so if you're even you can't just be like and that's the good stereotype type you guys think that's still yours speaking of people who think that then right and that's bad yeah good way for him to break the ice in a room full of a middle aged businessman good. He's good. He's cool with racism yeah. Essentially you know what I mean and then again Do you want to read Rob Steiner well first of all we. I guess we didn't specifically say she's got fired from. SNL sorry yeah yeah so as L. Statement is they decided he will not be joining. SNL cast he had an impressive audition. We're not aware of his prior. Remarks Sir Remedial take here the language he used as offensive hurtful and unacceptable. We are sorry that we did not see these clips earlier and that our vetting process was is not up to our standards so offensive hurtful and unacceptable language. Don't say racist yes. Yes people say Oh Oh he's just saying what people are thinking not just saying what racists are thinking i. I don't think that every every every take I've seen from a comedian trying to defend it is not like one that actually acknowledges that racism is bad like the his viewpoint is racist. That's not it's not that he's making a joke that it's a race right. He's pushing the boundary what the boundary three of like what's acceptable discourse between human beings because I did not see joke there yeah so anyways a rob. Schneider's tweet it was dear dear dear name Gillis as a former. SNL CAST member. I am sorry that you had the misfortune of being a cast member. During this era of cultural unforgiveness where comedic Dick misfires are subject to the intolerable inquisition of those who never wrist bombing onstage themselves first of all not onstage on a joke and he wasn't bombing us on this podcast laughing with his friend yeah exactly and comedic misfire no rhetorical misfire and just in just in your general humanity and I think there's something to even the comments on that thread were interesting where obviously look man. PC cultures ruining comedy coming from the people who truly understand comedy ah but then also to like you realize that a lot of it that can be. I feel like Comedians who are coming to his defense in the most aggressive way are are people who see that. Oh wait. I think this is what he said. I thought is comedy breath and if that isn't than who am I yeah there because it I think if they laughed along with it then they're like. Oh Shit if you can get cancelled for saying this that means I can't think this and what now I can't do my whole like these are the these are the accents. I grew up in my town from my cleaning. Lady's I pay and you're like what the acquis art had a funny tweet. He was like oh now that they fired fire tangles. Who's GonNa play the Asian characters shut up to bone young who unfortunately a victim of all this too because now all you know the hopefully you know like we'll move this shit bird along and get to the real business when the also the the Rob Schneider thing is just an example of like he I remember for the first time he was raging against the machine was when like somebody wrote a mean review of the hot chick or like Deuce bigalow to unlike that's right right yeah she was actually but now he's like suddenly the free speech spokesperson because that's a thing I was was nursing when like this writer for some right wing site was like the last real rebels in today's media are like was listing acting like Dave Chapelle. It was just people who have like been criticized by the mainstream media and like that's sort of a version of this. If if the mainstream media or the mainstream culture rejects you then you automatically become this like lionised figure right yeah. I'm very curious why he goes after this because I don't. I don't like any of the stuff he said and I also like. I'm glad he's not going to be on the show but some of the like crazy outrage where people were just the idea of cancelling selene someone on the day. They got a job in like going back and looking at the tweets. I feel like that's like a crazy thing to do. It's like someone gets hired. Let's look for something so I do agree with comedians idioms criticizing that but I think there's a discernment. I think there's some comedians who are so afraid of who haven't said anything wrong that just hear that and I'm like what if I get cancelled and it's like you want because you don't think those bad things so those people were freaking out end up sounding a little silly when they're defending him but I do understand where they're coming from or at least that desire to immediately sort of find a reason to disqualify some something I think at this point the problem with him he had a lot of momentum building up going into this in May a he was using racial slurs to talk about Andrew Yang he this came from a year ago. Chris gathered like he was already on. Chris gathered radar for using using slurs and shit so it's funny because a lot of people already knew. Oh yeah so in that way. It's almost like it's not even that like they were waiting to cancel. It was like the second day showed up to like you. Mean this dude all news of species ship ripple in the comedy community. I didn't know him at all but people in Phillies said like he was an asshole to begin with there was a he says something about like that I think is interesting to hear because I've I've heard that like in certain comedy circles and I'm just like being in. La It's very sheltered but he said like Asian people are the only group can still make fun of and I've heard that from other people in like less you know whatever woke areas and I there was a moment when i the civilized yeah. There's a moment when I was an Improv one on one that I still remember it and I talked to my teacher for this because he would do a lot of characters and purposefully with an Improv. You can kind of fun. He purposefully do caricatures and one time I went to show and he came up to me was like okay okay. I'm doing Asian accident. I you know he's white and he's like so. I hope that's okay and I was like okay. Whatever I watch is fine but it was a good moment for me because and I realized he probably doesn't see very many Asian people in audience and the fact that I was there and he knew me he had to think about it and I think that was the moment he was like. I wonder if it is okay but it's okay but let me tell Theresa I felt okay because I know him and him talking to me made me feel good and not alienated but it made me think probably away from that moment on. He thought a little bit more about that would you how would you feel now. If someone said hi I'm GonNa do this just weird one dimensional caricature of an Asian as a person who is not Asian well most of the time. It's not funny so then I I wouldn't find it very funny but I do think people aren't you even having be in the conversation in with Asian people. They're used to record these podcasts and then just our friends here so the fact that Asian people on twitter can hear it and have an opinion. They're all of a sudden like Oh. Well calm calmed down but they always didn't like it. They just didn't listen to his podcast. I mean either way. I can't find it was single excuse to like whether or not he knows Asian people like just in general right I think as a society we have to when people go what about cooking. You know like wh who don rickles do and Shit like that. It's like they were making really fucked up jokes that I'm sorry society in a different place so it's not what would they do now. They were they were coming from time where we were less progressive and we understood the damage that like jokes do and how you know subvert the ability of people to have any kind of upward mobility of mobility socially whatever and that you reinforce the stereotypes that put people in categories than ones that should succeed in other should not so. I miss me with all that shit because at the end of the day the best kind of comedies to come out of not being like look how different dishes from us or whatever it's about the way back in twenty miles exactly right and we and we talked about it here when we first brought this up of just like if you really on your shit as an artist as a comedian you can let go of this dumb shit that you grew up being like we'll self. I grew up on South Park and they did all. There's necessarily yeah but there's a reason why this that is not the height of comedy somebody and this shit that you look at that. You can really admire as an artist. You're like this take. This took actual thought I thought it was an actual critique on something they observed rather than like almost do character like it makes. Champagne canceled Japanese and even even myself like I said I used to think. That shit was funny brand. You know what I'm in a way because it made white people right. It wasn't because I was like this is it's funny. I go when I do this thing. They laugh and I liked that meanwhile. I'm being like they think I'm co-signing this fucking racist bullshit right. You're like you're like in on the joke. Well took over. I don't agree with that he do this. I thought it was interesting to hear that because I do a lot of people think that and it was interesting to kind of course and be like well. Why do people think that what I think just because they traditionally people haven't been their audience so they haven't had to face the fact that it was never really that funny but they always thought it was because they just could work in their our bubble. Yeah it's like I said I'm glad to seed peace out yeah and for anybody else. This is the deal if you do some shit that people are telling you fucked up learn how to own that right if you are not willing to grow that you'll be left behind. That's what cancellation nation is going to keep moving. So do you WanNa you. WanNa move along. If you WanNa stay fixed then we will progress without you and it will feel it will feel cold out there because everybody's he's left A. You're not willing to move along with everybody yeah. The First Amendment doesn't give you the right to tell whatever joke you want on. SNL also doesn't give you the rate to not be judged by history which yeah you know like in historical yeah. There are still consequences. Also I don't think was making a joke in those clips. I came out. I think he was just talking. It's funny right Comedians. Keep defending him like you have to be able to make jokes and he does make jokes lifezette punchline. The podcast was just a conversation about how you felt. I'm pretty destroy. That's not a joke and then when Cho's is actually the most deceptive food on earth. What did you what is he tried to ideology. What are you talking about all right. We're GONNA take a quick break. We'll be right back. 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The economy is doing well but he really needs to begin closing that gap because you can't win with his base so he was in New Mexico doing the fuck in his darndest trying to court a group of voters who he so lovingly described as rapists purpose murderers written with just like it's hard for me to describe how masterfully he threaded the needle in addressing you you know what it means to be white to be perceived as white to be perceived as Hispanic and just the the the elegance in which he tackled this. I guess I just do want to say I'm starting clip at this rally where he's referring to this. Guy Steve Cortez who is a member of trump's Hispanic advisory council so he's using that to lead in of like hey I understand. I understand Hispanic Hispanic but I've never quite figured it out because he looks. It's more like a wasp than I do so I haven't figured that one out but I'll tell you what there is. NOBODY LOVES HIS COUNTRY MORE OR HISPANIC more than Steve Cortez Steve. Thank you still not did neither nominee patty loves. Hispanics bore not even need. What do you like board. The country or the Hispanics cutter choose says the country. I don't no no I I. I may have to go for the Hispanics to be honest. We got aspects. We Love Ours. Get out and vote. Is that for real wow is. He hit it all the first time. You said he just slipped in Hispanic. It didn't even make sense in the sentence and the I don't remember what it was but he felt like he was just wedgie loves the Hispanic Span. What he's I'M GONNA negate. Keep in terms of what I will believe someone how they can identifies Hispanic or not because he looks like a wasp yeah. I haven't figured it out that is hard to figure out rate because I mean there are different on the inside Rubik. So how could they look the same on the outside. That's why people breath understand. It's justice step like if Joe Biden's out here like corn pop and his straight razor gang tied to fight me and then you've got trump being like I love the Hispanic right right and this is also what was he doing a dual loyalty trope kind of thing of where the country or Hispanic yeah right was that why thinking thinkings Hispanic Ray. He's like setting up this I feel like he's trying to play obviously to Hispanic voters but also to white people to be like. Don't worry like it's like a little wink. Don't worry I still like he made that. Wa- stroke but it looks white country thing to be like don't worry I know I'm not going to give away our country the right and the Larry I can really tell the difference and if he's around me he's GonNa look waspy. Believe me believe me. It's my bug because because just him trying to speak good naturedly on the subject but all of his rhetoric and just everything he says and believes rests Assan like such a foundation of just such wrongheaded assumptions like it's just everything bleeds because he has no he's. He's not a good person deep down so free style improvises he comes he goes in his wheelhouse and they're interested in there and when Alia tries to freecell that was like I'm trying to be nice yeah. It's I haven't seen the IT's like five hundred video where she is going soul hard on our free cell. It's pure gibberish hearing syllables lables yes there are there are sounds. Onomatopoeia some words in English others in languages. We have yet to discover but anyway with this whole thing. I just look at him and I realized you know. His whole. Thing is like okay. We gotTA WE GOTTA win. Hispanics yeah so I'll just say is like we love the Hispanics and and that's all I got because I only know nothing culturally to connect with or anything aside from I'll just say I like this group and this one dude one night. I have this one friend yeah full disclosure he's been saying like. I don't even know what Hispanics are. I love that like ETA meeting. He's like in his Steve Courts here cortes right away OSCEOLA RT es. That's courts cortes sir but you're white. I'm Oh touches his wallet sure it's still has I gotTA. I haven't quite figured you out. Courts carry-ons onscreen look this is. I mean with this. I can't imagine him bringing in more Hispanic voters but again internalized self hatred is a very real thing thing yeah well. He's currently polling according to five thirty eight a twelve points underwater twelve percentage points more disapprove than approve of him which is somewhat reassuring but Obama was eight points underwater at this point in his presidency so what but I guess then though too like this administration has forced people to basically say like yeah fuck it. It's the racism right. You know what I mean back in with Obama. It was like will Obama care. They're gonNA fuck. In death panel my grandma that was the those are the talking points right and there weren't the dog whistles only came in very other ways as about the president but they were the policies they were mostly going into policy even though they were motivated by racial animus and things like that but now when you look at these policies that's. I think forced people to pick a side here to be like you're are you out here saying this is what you want because if you are if you are brave enough to do that okay we'll put your. Maga- hat on now you might WanNa fade away into the shadows because you can't hide behind the fuck in Gadsden flag anymore. Yeah I think yeah there's like a sliver of people in between the Obama approval and trump approval. Those are the people who are like openly or or who weren't willing to admit to themselves what what their disapproval of almost about get it. You know I read all the studies on people. They're you know they're they fear the waning power of their culture and things like that but you know guess what man is uncomfortable after bill yeah yeah well. It's uncomfortable for a lot of us to yeah. Welcome to Earth all right well. Let's talk about what does has happened in the dream scenario. That trump actually loses the twenty twenty election We've talked about how different electoral things are aren't aren't looking great for him. At this moment. It's at least as bleak as it's been at this point for a incumbent because George H W Bush the last president didn't lose his reelection bid was still like insanely popular at this point. It's just the economy started to hit the shitter towards the end of his first. I administration Ross Perot rent roster came in fucked them up so like a couple people are starting to talk about. This thing that we've talked talked about before on this show that I think we need to be more aware of. Is that trump if he loses the election is not going to go without like it's not going to be a peaceful transfer of power like one way or another he's going to not. He won't admit that he's lost like that's just something he's There's a slate article that just came out the interviews this sort of legal expert where he they say like he's temperamentally incapable of admitting that he lost something yeah so his followers he's going to you know ask them to do something power in terms of like not in his fan base but in the infrastructure of the White House to have like some sort of protest if that happens because I've from based on the way people you know his administration has gone. It seems like there's a lot of people were like keeping their jobs and you know in with him but then like secretly he kind of would be like. We can't wait for this guy. Get Out who has dropped the facade students. He legally doesn't have power. I'm curious like is there a real fear of like he's got the people around him in power that could keep him there so this guy who's sort of an expert on that subject says that the four men checks that we have other other than the Supreme Court which can't really do anything to reinforce their position right now are the Electoral College Congress state governors and then the the Defense Department which you know would have to kind of say fuck you to him eventually I mean if it comes down into and if those are people that have to like those are the checks and let's say there were group of rebellious state governors. It's like now. What are we like where we going. At that point right. I feel like people believe in democracy and a fundamental well not everyone but most a lot of people even if they're conservative or have views that are feel to me very hateful. I think on a base level believe in like the idea of democracy and I feel like it'd be very hard to a massive critical group like governors. It is truly want to keep in there. I don't know yeah he's I mean he's already laying the foundations for not believing any of the truth telling apparatus bases in the country with like the fake news fake media he during the two thousand eighteen midterms he tweeted something about how thought the Russians were going to interfere in the two thousand eighteen midterms on Democrats behalf which nobody had ever even remotely suggested did other than that tweet so he tries things out on twitter. He tries it but if he really tried out he would have tried to actually assert that that's what happened because once he took that he was just like yeah a lot. A lot of people should have kissed the ring yeah. That's what happened right throwing it out to see what land I mean. He's a classic narcissist like they'll throw things. If something lands and keep going with that live at does raise I ever said that. What are your mom yeah but I think like no president in addition to know. President isn't running for reelection ever having been in like this battle position. No president running for reelection has ever faced the possibility that they go to jail if they they don't win so like the stakes are high and I think he's going to try whatever he possibly can to Michael. Cohen said he was like specifically and I. I believe everything. Michael Cohen says but he he was like you guys know that if trump Lewis and twenty twenty there will not be he won't go peacefully. I think we're his exact words. Maybe he can like if he if it's like America's breaking up with trump. Maybe he'll go to Russia and run for president there because I feel like he's doing that thing where you know he talks about Russia like it's an ex girlfriend like they had a relationship in the news like no no no way but then like. They're still talking run things happening. They're still I feel like he's setting the groundwork to like. Just be like all right well. This country's done with me. Whereas another country I just hop into that would force him to accept that the country's country's done with him and I don't know if he can even. I don't think he's cave. It's the whole thing is very odd to think about going into the future yeah I think people's brains are are just like stopping at the beating him because that's the thing that we weren't focused and rife on in two thousand sixteen. and they're like well yeah you. You know that that's a dream. That's you know that that's something that will bridge will cross when we get to it but I I do think it's going to be a constitutional regional crisis that we're going to have to deal with if that happens. I think we have to be focused on like beating him but not on him accepting defeat because I don't think he will ever like and and not in like physically but in the sense of like I do think sometimes you want justice to have that moment where he is like all right. I lost and I don't think we're ever going to get that with him. He's always we're GONNA find a way to spend it where he can't lose this but we can get to a point as a country where he's in his corner. It doesn't affect US anymore and I think we have to let go of needing him to like. It's like sort of give us that remorse because I just don't think he will no right. We don't need we don't need closer from but if the armed portion of the country are you unwilling to accept the fact that he lost like you know the and Fox News is unwilling to accept it or at least you know reporting that he's is plausibly claiming that you know the the results of the election are in question than I you know. That's how civil war start. How can we go host him. As we don't say like the election results come in and just don't talk about it but we're right and like it's like that time when you know somebody somebody and they do some shit and start on and go on but you keep that hand close to your chest because you're just be like I'm sorry. Did you just say you don't eat garlic but now you like okay okay and then try and figure out here we hanging out. Oh let me let me check. get back. Left something at your house like. Oh yeah come to the White House all your shits response to start sleeping on the bed like my dog. That's a subtle sign that you can put how's that things aren't going well. In a relationship and let's check in real quick with Milo Yiannopoulos he is a you know a figure head of the right wing movement with a hilarious downfall started so strong you know he was like the Nazis Golden Child offering them all kinds of cover because miles I will you know I'm also part of a marginalized group and like so I'm not really a Nazi but read takes and it's pretty clear where I'm wink wink but things really started changing in two thousand seventeen because he got a book deal but then video came amount of him like defending pedophiles and so then he lost the book deal which made him have to resign from Breitbart and then his checks from the Mercer's started started drying up and he got all this debt. I feel like we talked about this hilarious dead. He was and I think it was like cartier or something over ring he bought and then tried to return and then like returns fabulous formula anyway he's in fucking million these in terrible debt to as he should and and then earlier this year Australia was like your band fam- we don't fucking country yeah no but it's still good shot them for. There'd be like Nah. You're good. We don't hear keep it moving. They'll thank thank you very much sir so then he was as he wandered the curse wastelands of the Internet. He's has been desperate to get his his vibe back because he's also been kicked off nearly every refunding social media platform to that he's telegram or whatever I think he's literally sending People Telegrams Telegraph so whatever the fuck singing entire outside right and so he announced on his Little Telegraph telegram thing he was like okay. I found my first SONAL. I'm among furry now and I'm snow Leopard and here's this really cool rendering of me with my like fast wave haircut and trademark terrible glasses and I will be attending Midwest for fest which is a convention to celebrate the Furry fandom and it's like in the outskirts or to the suburbs of Chicago but the people who are in this group were like we absolute. I vowed there for his on on by and large to my knowledge are not down for fascist. She's Bullshit Morocco. They're like we are very dis- this is very disconcerting to think that this guy's GonNa come. We know what he's about what the Kinda Shit he's GonNa pull but it also brought up these memories of like another incident with flurries and fascism creeping into the fairy world for people who don't know those are people people who like who have a persona they dress up make themselves animals to like art or costumes whatever I'm sure you've seen shows the freeze but they it's more than just dressing passing up the like it's part of their identity one hundred percents deep and yet and so can you the big community exactly and I think for most people who are savvy on the Internet. You're pretty pretty probably familiar refers to the older listeners Brab. You've just gotten out of prison. you know you can take that explanation so the in two thousand seventeen there was this guy. I who called himself Fox Ler who like war like black dress shirt red tie had a red armband rather than a Swastika Pastika POB print and this person swears up and down like first of all. I'm Fox later. I do not like Nazis that photo of me doing the Hitler. That was a mistake steak and I think the timing of the photo was all fucked up. My Armband has nothing to do with Nazis. It's a reference to old video game character and my name name. Fox Slur is in no way a combination of Fox and Hitler. is my Mitt. My real last name is Miller braves so that's why I got Fox. Learn even though I'm you know the fucking Fox whistling the shit out of this thing and so it caused a huge uproar because he was like part of a group called the furry raiders who again again they they said we are not political or whatever but it was clear where they stood on the political spectrum but you know it's just it's interesting to see that like these communities even even in this kind of community they're having to like. They're being like anti fascist furry who were like fucked. I like these people aren't pulling up here. the the embarrassment continues for Milo Yannopoulos so you like posted this publicly albeit this like is there a world where he was trolling to try to get people to protest this convention. I mean I think in in some level he wants to probably find a outsider group marginalized group to kind of make waves in or whatever so I don't know I highly doubt that he had had any interest or in like furry culture yeah target and then also maybe say like latch onto like Oh furriers have been discriminated against or some writing fan right and then you have groups like Fox learned people like that and be like okay. Maybe they can catch this wave. I'm trying to put out there and see maybe I can have a bit a little bit takeovers on like he was hoping that I would accept him and identify with his idea that he feels like he is discriminated discriminated against odd to me that like after all this after getting kicked off everything that he didn't consider the option of just like China better person time he could have improve so much great. It's time to time to let the brand go my dude yeah. I think this is kind of good object lesson of how to protect Acta community like that young people who are Internet savvy are able to keep these sorts of pieces of shit out of their community and protect themselves and when we come back we'll talk about how the mainstream media is an less savvy than the ferry community attention miles. Thank you yes. I have some amazing news for you. Good go on. Del has announced. There's semi annual sale. Oh and it's giving us seventeen percent off. That's their employee discount. Wait so you don't have to be an employee and you get the same discount you get the employee discount so I can get the latest alienware computers with Intel core processors inside inside plus leading edge monitors and it's all with free shipping guys call eight hundred buy Dell or just go to Dell Dot com slash semi annual sale and we're back and let's talk about how Sean Spicer has has officially been normalized you guys he's a he's a hoot. He's dressed like Cuban Pete for Basque doing the most painful aw I mean. I don't even talking about this story. We're missing the point right that Sean Spicer has been allowed to reenter society eighty. somehow completely forgive him for his sins for being the mouthpiece for this despicable administration and as actually currently the mouthpiece for a pro-trump trump super. PAC is not forget he never he never disconnected from that world and now we're like. Oh Yeah. Let's let's dress up. Let's laugh. Let's try and forget about all this shit. Let's let him create his own narrative on TV where he was like. I think a lot of people are going to see a side of me. They never saw. It's like the only side I want to see. Is the back of your head. When you get out of here it's great. I didn't even want to watch watch it because I knew people would hate watch it. I watch it for the sake of this podcast but it is like clearly they know what they're doing. They're just trying to get people to hate watch and it's like at this time like right before the election. This is very strategic for them to try to look at this all in fun right for the right ideas like. Oh look like you know people say How can you be a Nazi and were shirtless breath. How can you be racist and worship like that. How can you be hell bent on the destruction of marginalized people and we're shirt like that. It danced bold colors that yeah I mean yeah. We know what the original uniforms look like. They were Fuchsia boss was like no yes. You're going to wear black and gray who had to dance with him that she's like. I feel so bad for her. I forget what her name I mean. I don't know anything about her and the AD analyzer the bad for her right because you're the person who is like the prop to stand next to this radioactive waste pile to be see. It's cool. It's dancer friendly yeah the thirst that he like. I did watch the his routine after this morning on a twitter link that hopefully does does not add to the ratings the show but he like after he completed the dance he fell to his knees and like he had just scored a super bowl winning touchdown and like looked to the heavens and put his arms out and I I think he gets the same idea we were talking about earlier that like as much as the right criticizes like mainstream monoculture like they are so desperate to be accepted by it right and like like all they needed a little crack and they're like Oh. Thank you all right. give it to me you got into the end zone of you know. Holly Weird Acceptance Right the fuck. You thought that ship because I mean they have kids like Donald. Trump has kids that Ivanka is trying to keep trying to me as a beautiful son does have a beautiful son and Ivanka still trying to get him to like move in some more mainstream directions and failing to do so and Sean Spicer even like he was seen outside outside like after the episode aired weeping in his car and people were like yeah. I mean that's about right. That's how I would respond just happen happen to you on TV and then he explained like they were like Oh wait. He's smiling and he was like yeah. Just talking to my kids are watching a video of my kids watching watching my dance routine and it's just this glorious like moment for him where he gets a a little bit of the a little bit of a some glow off of like this mainstream cultural institution and you know. I'm sure his kids were like Oh. Thank God dead's normal again. You know whatever the fuck this this is. I mean honestly milkshake fuck out of this but if you ever see him and I think really if you look at his whole I watched the routine because I like dancing ray and I wanna WanNa know what stars it was. It was violence now. Whole routine was fucking violence okay and it was objectively objectively horse shit yeah it was the most rigid robotic foot very rigid robotic but that's rude to robots robots. The spice girls exactly also protect the spice girls but again so he got a fucking terrible score because objectively that was the worst shit ever yeah this this mother fucker then goes into his bag and is now tweeden deleted this whole shit where he again made himself the victim as they do as that's his playbook over there on the right and who who says this. Is The tweety deleted clearly the judge aren't going to be with me. Let's send the message to Hashtag Hollywood that those of us who stand for Hashtag Christ won't be discounted counted. May God bless you delete dash vanished graced. Exactly I know like spin it. I mean I'm sure there are other dancers at a Christian like he's trying to make it all of a sudden like Oh yeah it's part of the culture war and this is his way of weaponized and in a weird way I mean if you really want to read through the lines and think of what kind of dog whistles in there. I'm like someone's being persecuted. Christ followers being persecuted other industry that I've also here dog well yeah and who owns that industry depends on depends on what a four Chan Fuk and board your round bread but yet again this is just sort of I think he deleted it because everybody was like not got it and then he used a like Mike Huckabee tweet to like quote tweet and was like Mike Huckabee was like if you really wanted to freak out the people in Holly Weird get behind Sean Spicer Blah Blah Blah he decided sport and Sean. Thank you so much huckabee. Feel like it's crazy that the trump like it's not even the first term over on he's already like on TV. They should be some sort of role like after you serve public office. You can't just like immediately beyond one of the biggest reality shows I think and again fucking can ABC. Pull your fucking head out of your ass please. This is the worst shit ever to put the dude on here and I mean among all the other terrible things. Thanks I mean. ABC was known for being very diverse network right even beyond that so. I don't know what the fuck I'm expecting from them but I wouldn't be surprised if like in ten years we were during the presidential run as a reality show in the White House like basically just without like real calm like ad like with you know Chris Harrison coming out to the way we vote like they're like if you want to Hilary Clinton texts nine. Tell trump that he can okay. This is what actually be an improvement because it'd be more transparent and durant voter suppress you we could do the apprentice the president right you still do the board meetings and you go you're hired or you're elected and you get to say that and that's your new position but you don't get to decide you. Just get to say that. Shit and you get the shine shine if he gets reelected like I wouldn't be surprised if he pitched that idea like okay. It's called the president that presidents Obama's Netflix steal which leads me to believe. He's trying to set up something. He's like mad that Obama's done with his job. He did his job. You are like trump is trying to be like Oh. I WANNA be on TV. All I could do that. I'll have to be the president read. You don't even want to be the president was the logic of the. I saw that headline he this is a dumb thing I think he threw out there to be like so much. Investigate is how this like. This isn't allowed a pretty sure. It is yeah it's. I don't even understand. It's just like why how our they making money. He's calling out like he thought maybe he's treating. Obama like he's still president doing TV right. Yeah I don't understand. I guess he's saying like maybe that the president was using his power that maybe perhaps Obama was negotiating the Netflix deal while he was in office. I mean for real people were banging down the door because guess what Obama's brand is sick ran the best trump's going to do is be in on NRA TV or assumption. Also every president of to this point has aged like it was fucking time lapse like was working his ass off when he was in office unlike like you like other presidents did not have executive time to like think about a movie. They'd WanNa make yeah well. I feel like that is a scary thing is to him. Deals in Hollywood are just as important as things that are happening in foreign policy because it's a very important priority that he needs to talk about as the president where it's like. You should be focusing just like ignore all that no no. I need an ethics deal. Yeah give me a deal on C. so quasi quasi. Maybe that's what we could do so like hey fair. It is home each platform. If you WANNA watch him you got to buy in here. Guess what we're GONNA give your own streaming platforms cost see so it'll be active the second you leave office up as an ultra just hire him to replace Shane that would be better than having him as the President I would take Batman. Ah Fuck Yeah we could just all not watch well that'd be unfair for the other three that we treat it like the SNL episode where he hosted. Just just not watch the shit out of that all right. Let's talk about a bright spot pizza hut all bless them poisoning us to even though there another hyper conservative pizza outlet poisoning us with pleasure. They have created the stuffed cheese pizza Sir now. What is it you ask to me. It looks like if you spilled the Uis from teenage mutant Ninja Turtles on a box of cheeses how this thing is. They say so. You can eat it in about they. Don't give the actual dimensions but they say it's a two to three bite okay in the picture. It looks like a cheese which I'm imagine looks like a throw pillow in my mind. That's how big that is but I know probably bucket of. Ketchup is like or what have Marinara. I need another thing for scale. I wish again we we knew what the scale was but what they're saying. It's a it's a crust infused with the sharp cheddar flavor of cheese it with either cheese or Pepperoni and Marinara dipping sauces. Would I've been waiting for from my purely stoned point of view. This must happen. I mean I have to have it. I will you know what I'm going to try order it so I can. We can try it on the air or whatever you call on the pod like you know how they have Mozzarella sticks. They should make Mozzarella pillows like the right pillow. That's an yea. Oh yea circular ones yeah just like a giant pillow slender run. Everyone can just hold onto it and eat it from the side. Oh whoa WHOA okay go fish balls mozzarella pillows. I was a pillow an actual fabric pillow big ASS Mozzarella's. No I think it should be breaded and filled with cheese. Okay I would man you know twenty minutes into that thing when everyone's like saliva weird like wrath bite part of what's real estate. It'd be like you know what they were saying. You got to eat at lady tramp style without using your hands like gigantic corncob. Everyone everyone gets you. Grow your sleeves up eating learn. How do you eat. We're trying in my I need to with a group now. I don't think there's looks particularly good and I'm not a huge pizza hut fan but I am I am. I do admire the fact that they actually fucked with the bread on this like they changed differ other into cheese it whereas I was very disappointed in the KFC cheetos rose where the breading around the chicken was Nado turned into Chito. They put a Chitose Awesome Bullshit last company that actually changed the bread portion of the thing doritos locos Taco. That is the Best Gospel Jewish so yeah. Let's see I don't know what will we try this dude. If we don't try I would I would. I'm SORTA got. I'm GONNA eat dishes weekend. Okay because the thing is you. You know health aside politics assigned dignity aside. I love cheese. I remember as a child my love cheese its was undying and and I went to a point where I ate so many cheese. I couldn't eat them anymore. but now the time has passed. I'm remembering my past love. I'm seeing the glow up happened with an accent. I'm like you know what let's make another mistake. I thought you were going to say it was like topped with cheese. It's like that's an interesting choice but I think this could be the beginning beginning of a very great partnership row log although that would be worth trying just order a pizza and top it with cheese. It's yeah I don't know. Do you like crunchy topping on on a piece of like brownies. Yeah Yeah Okay we'll have to do. I think a number of contests with cheese. It's a pizzas and figure out what the best version mel of you know a heated it up now. It's a straight up that she will turn to ash than just sizzle is very like innovative. They have the well done. She's it's that you can get the box full of the well done. They got yeah. Well done yeah don't they. I don't know I have not yet and Sufi Lichtman has shuttled them into the office yeah so they ah there are certain like every once in a while you'll get in the bowels of the darker a little bit. Brown whose file a little extras their father and somebody you found out that people were fucking with those and they just were like nothing but the well done yeah so chan she's out here they're willing to take risks respective brands no that like the weird one off things in their boxer like what if we did the whole thing yeah. It's called understanding consumer base Let's talk real quick about the new streaming platform but basically it's another channel then we have to pay twelve dollars for. NBC has announced their new streaming service called Peacock and grey peacock impression peacocks. I'm probably like they scream but it will debut in twenty twenty and they got the Sq.. Lucy's hold on just really quick is what peacock sounds like home and then you're sound. I mean that was yeah. That was good. Yeah thank you. I'm the I'm the new Michael Winslow but only do three accents and a peacock you only do so people can identify was that would've peacock you idiot winslow. Michael winslow man please. is this why they put the office out on that flex and then took it away to like get new generation interracial as I did. I didn't realize they had to pay money to get that ship back and that doesn't even them. Is it Gonna I think office is going to be on the streaming plot. It is it AH universal had to pay five hundred million the rights were but I mean the numbers don't lie without yeah because I have friends who I didn't watch it when it came out and like this last time when it came on Netflix where like oh I just started watching the shows pretty good new fans read but yeah they got Brooklyn nine nine parks and REC cheers down Naby. Everybody Loves Raymond Friday Nights Frazier will they don't have seinfeld yet eto and they also have Dan there reviving battle star Galactica Osama smell from mister robot and and this yourself I'm very excited about saved by the bell with with reimagined by the thirty rock writer in Great News Creator was her name Tracy Wingfield Eld Whitfield's Feld yelled yeah is it look felder Wakefield. Let's yeah let's do it right. Great News underrated in my opinion Dachau's fucking really good yeah and it took a lot of people saying passive like checked pretty funny. Yeah to jokes are dense the humor's it's dense. It's already rock. It's like it's very thirty rock ish but if you're wondering doing the same thing the reboot is. AC slater signed in correct. Mario Lopez is locked in is Jessie spano Elizabeth Berkley locked in. Yes yes. She is is Mark Paul Guzzler noted Asian locked in no way will. He is playing well. This is the problem okay so he's he's on mixed ish. I think which is on ABC so I don't think he can't be on another motherfucker network right now. No no if you're on a network show I doubt they're going to be like yeah and then you can can do and NBC universal thing so but we don't know that we don't know the point to that deal so but based on everything that's being written Zack Morris features in in this whole thing so to the premise of luck around so this is what it is per a press release confirming the revival which has been rumored for more than a year the new show imagines a world where Zach back now governor of California boom but he's in political trouble for closing too many low income high schools. I knew his fucking blonde haired as God anyway to fix his political problem. Governor Morris decides to send the effected students to the highest performing schools in in the state including bayside high. The influx of new students gives the over privileged bayside kids a much needed an hilarious dose of reality I I did. I don't like it. It's totally just like we just taking his name and be like. Let's make another show with right that has just reverse dangerous minds right right. It's like I was thinking like I felt like Bayside. High was just like a very like they try to make it very like sort of any town kind of feel like it was meant to be like the rich school there were rich kids there and then there were a we'll see them one was like that took place in Indiana and it was just a normal school but then it got richer richer and richer and more like eighties fantasy land a as it went but yeah. I mean Zach. Did I feel exact was really Detroit yeah but never felt like it was like Oh. We're the wall like the way they're playing it now. It's like I feel like it's like gossip girl like Oh. The poor kids are are going in Lake St. As or whatever right that wasn't the vibe off. No no I mean I thought it'd be much more woke tale. Where Zack Morris becomes you you know Social Justice Warrior right governing from Sacramento Governor of California Likeb e the mayor of Bayside. What do you think in my mind what the I don't even even really think are bothered to think where's Zack. Morris would end up well I mean he has one of the most underrated superpowers in the history. o- like he wherever the fuck he wants to end the Mi- like a criminal mastermind using his powers they get into office and that's what I was hoping we examined during the studio space another show as a take on this show where we investigate the reality this and to understand how Zack Morris rise so quickly the presidency would be the only place place he could blend in because he ages so much faster than everybody because he's the only one that aging while he calls a timeout so time works differently so free he should be the president actually wow and one other thing about streaming words. He's funny if he was like sixty five when the show and everybody else they're normally like oh no acts really be using hunt fuck terrible one of the things I wanted to point out the rights of the Big Bang theory have gone to Hbo Max for a stunning total of six hundred million dollars. What seems like such a weird fit but then they're probably ably all just thinking about like we all WanNa be Netflix. We all want to be like the only one that matters so they're trying to just like everything you know. HBO Has Prestige but they also so are going low brow like Big Bang theory. Do they have a international audience. I wouldn't think so but I think Big Bang theory might but I mean. HBO Because maybe they're trying to market internationally. I don't know Big Bang theory have a big international. I like sitcoms and to have more people who watch for America as our show right and I definitely in Japan like dubbed and I was like it's really dog ha audience in France right right right you know everyone needs their big show horse to put front center. We like no this show your Dick. You two will be going to get that shit here. Yeah and I guess they're betting big on the bang in theory. I don't know I don't watch the show never seen an episode. Barnes love that shit though so am I completely out of touch or do young young people like that show. I'm sure people because it's like it's like science adjacent two right. Aren't they like all fucking like theoretical particle physicists or some shit. I don't watch it. I don't know anyone who does but. I don't particularly think it's like necessarily an old audience. I think it's just whoever watches those kinds of six. Mike is Mike joining watching fucking multi Cam. Yes it com shit kids very young people sitting at home watching right and older people and I'm sure you'll exert gang if you're fucking Zinger whatever whatever the fuck that shit is Zingo fans. Let me know Is it tight or do. You just not like yourself. My mom loves sheldon does she. Yes that's what I asked and she was like that. What's that ones name so funny the way he acts? Wow was your dad thing. Does your Daffodil Big Bang theory. I think so and is sheldon die or is probably assuming they watch watch it together so so you're right. I don't think my mom's quietly binging big bang theory off in the corner. Just guilty pleasure Yep. I feel like when I hear you're like laugh tracks and that's where multi cam soundtrack. I'm like brought back to like Oh. I'm in one room watching TV and my mom's like cooking rice in the other room. Make make me feel like a five. I don't sit down and catch up on my own now on multi camera but I could see the appeal of kid and like watching it while you're waiting for dinner dinner or something. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I think that's why also I I'm still attract human being who watches Fuller House and exact reason so I can time travel and be like back the theme song kind of same phases plus it helps you know when to laugh which is useful yeah because I don't know yeah. We are famously known to not knowing actually. Dj Dental has applied sign that he'd lights up on the on the studio. We're supposed to laugh right now. We're just go please laugh. Jeb Ebb Yep Jebby will shit Theresa. It's been a pleasure having you. Thanks for having me. This is a fun where can people find you and follow you. I'm on twitter and Instagram at Larissa tea and grape follow yeah. I have a podcast called called. You can tell me anything so if all that listened to that. Check it out. Is there tweet you've been enjoying. There is really really stupid but it made me laugh out loud so picked it. Where did it go. It's it was like shared as a retreat so I don't know this user but at Captain Kalvitis just said you're telling me a banana nut muffin. Oh Yeah loud so it is very funny. Miles people find you you can if I'm on twitter and Instagram at miles of gray couple tweets alike one is someone in the comments of of Rob Schneider's Shane Gillis Defense said Look Guys Adam. Sandler Shadow has an opinion shit that was from Parisian rebel at prison rebel another one from Peter Taggert at Peter Taggert. SNL must return to the hiring model that I made the show a success bussing talent in from Canada giving giving them cocaine and having them all agreed her degree and finally from Dana Donnelly at Dana Don Lee i. I am allowed allowed to ghost guys because I have a therapist who told me to prioritize my own mental. Health guys are not allowed to ghost me because none of them have therapists yeah. 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The No Jumper Show Ep. 67

No Jumper

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The No Jumper Show Ep. 67

"And win the phone voted nigga up like a wet napkin. The chopper army with the chop only chop on that gallon on you. Got the gallon on me. And i got a bitch named no me with the gallons. That's what i always say. That's my slogan. Because you know how like they had that god no campaign. You've got water. No i'm gonna be wiling with the gallons that doesn't run. Wow wow wild and with the guy with the gallons. I think you just trying a little too hard or force. Listen the pc's the hip hop that. I'm a part of that. I believe in that. I understand the community. Say wow in y'all wiley y'all unique wild and beyond wildly heo word to my mother son you'll dead ass. Be but yeah. What is that. So i just called you guys my. Poc's look at my afghan-american over there. Who rejected me the same way. When i told you see that she was my latina friend is she even rejected it. Are you even. She's now she's gypsy. Are you like related. To nifty hustle. I don't know what's in latin america. Who's are you related. Like what what was what was the nippy hustle. He was like nobody was walling. Ethnicity you did. He was like something like that. Set out to him. I'll miami opium friends are very beautiful so ignorant. We don't know talk about guy guessing racists. No that everybody made me feel stupid in the comments for the last week. Was that malcolm amax name. Oh yea and i'll do. I'm sorry i didn't know that one about just pretty saas because normally when you say red bone you're talking like mad female call him read bones. Little suss yes. So that's why it is immediately rejected anything you were saying bone. I don't blame you for being trained to think that i'm going to say some s sets it. I just do be doing that. And it stands out in the hip hop community because people just don't really wow in with the gatien exactly but i'm holding strong. I had so many So many like white people telling me how stupid ignorant i was for not knowing that. So thank you. Thank you adam. Twenty two for educating me about malcolm x. never thought i would see the day. I actually really want to rewatch the malcolm x. documentary or the movie which i saw like five million years ago but i would like to rewatch that. Who was the star. Like cuba gooding. Junior's denzel washington right and and they can see cuba. Somebody got a tattoo of denzel washington as malcolm x. That's fire not malcolm x. Wouldn't you want to get the real deal. I mean that's why they were clowning. This person no. I like the who plays all the time. Did you get to see the video of the guy who's swimming in the pool. And then the girl comes up and she just how how you doing. Yeah my kid you know what his birthday is june teen nova. She came up to him and start talking about some other shift furs. And then she's like lead into that and it was just like what was the purpose of that whole conversation but the purpose was for her to try to prove that. Choose like super by people but it was. It was such a weird way for us as vote for me as a white person to like all of a sudden put myself in the shoes of how weird it must be to be a black guy just trying to exist and then you have a white person. Who's at the pool which it to prove that. She's not racist by reminding you of slavery by telling you the most random fact possible about her kid being born on the day that the slaves were freed. Say hey guess what. Guess what my son was born right. He's like win juneteenth. He's just like. Yeah that's crazy and the dude mad funny. Because he goes. He goes on mommy's watching to his kid like lady. Now i am not fucking with you okay. But then that dude sends me a. Dm of him wrapping his azoff whereas it you play it tiny if someone wants to throw me my phone i will play it. I will find it in my right now just so we can hear how many for the record out he. He saw you post he. I actually got it. What do you think of it. I fucking hate it. it's so stupid clubhouse it's very unlike you you are. That would hate it. I am a fast moving person. I want my information now. Now now i went in someone invited me to clubhouse i get in there. It's an app where it's just a bunch of icons of of you you can. I was muted to start anew myself. Because i was like this is dumb and it was just like it was like a little podcast happening. That's what it is right like. You can just basically do like roughly. I can or are you recording messages. And then the messages stay there and then people can play those individually. I don't know about it being recorded by. No it's just like a chat room kind of but like with audio. It's like a forum on. Would i wore me to do this. So there's no record of anything you do left there. It's basically like this but it's a bunch of low icons and then that's it. Are you wanna hear this flow wrap. Let's go what's his name. His name is dose rivers as in d. o. s. rivers alber jones. Free staff. okay on my money. The only thing that's inspired then the sound of retirement islands those requirements requirement. Wires singer like that quietness while the fire. You knew pitch families dumps with win a baby. Don't tell you get the energy titan. Conde's are songs onto women's all care about your baby born on june. Anyway that's that's his. Shine dose dos dos. It's not like the operating system for windows. You wanna I was like why is he. Just really stand behind me. He waiting for your phone. we were talking about. This is zero is in pajama mode. Comfy he was just at home woke up like the sorority girl he actually would probably just walked over here from his house. He throws on some sweatpants. he throws on a shirt. I guess it's fine to him and his girlfriend. He was an editor. She was shipping. Girl editor is a twitch stream harmonious as man. Go toss mass follow. I loved it i. I gave yeary multiple articles of clothing and he decided to just keep wearing the same cycles. Where most random shit that i forgot. I gave him like huff. Your use a casualty of just thinking that it's cool to just throw on. Whatever so ends up wearing sweatpants everyday questionable to what he said. You're uri's view of what he looks like is the same as we think he looks like. At least like his shoes right now match like the on the back of his shirt. Yeah he's kind of like he did not look away. His shoes wouldn't even be the same color assured of his shoes weren't dirty as fuck. It's that he skated in those know for sure. I gave him a new pair of shoes and he. I don't think i've seen him play bill. Be for making them. Think it's cool to just wear dirty ass shoes and myself to look at dirty as vans that i'm wearing brand new pair of ood killer killer a brand new pair of old nike supreme as bs from two thousand and three. They're superbeet but i got them. I will right now. You know that he never wears andy voted. Did you vote for really super proud of being again vote. You were born here. You were born here. Oh you can't run for president. Neither google cloud and he doesn't need this segment. You can't run for president. Yes that for you I don't care. I don't wanna fucking run for president. Should korea renounce it and claim america. Right now i already did. We should to the americans renounce my citizenship to american citizenship saturday. No because i had no idea what was going on eighteen super high and like i was in like high eighteen months not eighteen years old a snitch. Six nine shut off choosing to turn your back on your country. No but i remember doing the whole ceremony. Everything like they give you a little flag and you wave onstage. All these mexican women are just like crying and stuff like that and like me crying about a person that they didn't even know from correal. Everyone has like ceremony like everyone. so they're crying audience. Cry a big moment. I didn't realize how big a moment was. I came with my friends. I'll just like high had like friends with you and not just alone. I'm i've been high for everything done in the past few years. Really like the past like ten fifteen years. Yeah it was today to be honest. Are you going to be high during the delivery of your baby. I'm not sure how high i'm going to be during the delivery. But i'm definitely going to get high after like. Are you going to be like whoa. Do there's a baby coming in china. I don't think that that's how i get high. I just get a little bit. Incoming underrepresented comments. I get about your baby along. I figure you're getting them because it's your fucking baby bump like don't know if she's in the fucking boom or fucked up it is right now is that. She's so far past her do day. Now that she's going to have to drink castor oil tomorrow. Castell i now. We have no idea about that. But for your hair all really. The only reason i noted instance jamaican castor oil for your hair. Is it like a conch. It's like the malcolm x. Movie they have like lie or some kind of crap that they put in there and make it straight Some i dunno but either way. That's also asked. I have no idea. But she's going to drink it and it's going to basically forced her to have like contractions diarrhea and then those it's supposed to set off the contractions actually right. It's a little accident that will make her basically like crazy and also hopefully push out the baby. Yeah because if she doesn't have the baby soon that she's not gonna be able to have the baby at home draft. Yes she's going to have to go to the hospital where they will like. Probably get into session which to me. I don't think it's the end of the world to her house. He's trying to do this. Especially because in the age of covert. I don't even think it would be elaborate dula. I think it would just be me and her. You'll be lucky they let you in. Yeah right out the window when they find out that. Hang out with a superspreader. Ad who parties every night of the week. God me me hang out with him is like more dangerous than me. Actually doing all the things that he out. Monte sorry i remind superspreader honestly. Don't go out as much as you probably think more than anyone else. I know who was earth on earth. Polka there's no way. I don't even go out for halloween. You just travel to a different country. And i wore masks entire time. Okay but you already been doing nine. We it's crazy because we all thought you were nuts. Rocking the mass. Like nobody like it. Was this weird thing that you did. And now it's just you like wow campbell's during the so far before it was all every day you see that all the time travis scott. He was a mascot. Used to wear masks. What about scar. Lord man fucking youtuber and then he became. I didn't know that. Until i that would have been crazy. Actually show honestly is the scarlet. Hyper real i only uk him like from random youtube videos where they talked about when i see in his million streams come out the selling seven thousand copies of his album. That makes me think. Santa clara might not being the best state. And wasn't he sounded like one twenty in ship before now really no one doing like big number. Twenty years like big sean numbers numbers for real. I thought he was doing for like pretty pretty big. I'm not out here the okay at first. We need to talk about this. Okay i have hired you dig. I tell you that i. He was doing videos for the channel before. But we have expanded the scope of our agreement that he's now also doing a lot of shit on the social very very high to the energy that you dig is bringing to the team very motivated guy wanted to work for november for a long time and find the in his vision and then he's also so you guys don't even know about this but we are starting a november dot com blog that is basically going to be a feed of new artists and songs from underground artists. We're not doing anything big mainstream pretty much. I love that. Don't hold me to that. We probably will end up like in some way touching on the the goal of is basically just bring attention bring attention to new artists. No corruption no pain to get on the site now. Yeah whatever. that's the goal is going to be in charge of that. You'd be Helping to figure out what artists were going to cover and scott. Alaka want to cover a lot of artists before their big enough to do an interview. You know and it's kind of something i resisted. I never really knew what the number comic blog would be like lyrical lemonade. Is i kind of a channel. That came up at the same time as no jumper and they've always had the blog you know. I'm not sure how popular it is. But they definitely do have like something somewhat similar in terms of having a good solid website full of new artists new music from underground artists etc. You know do you feel like that. Format is like the right way to go in twenty twenty. I think it's a nice addition to what we have going on. And we're also going to have all this you're gonna be able to also sign up the newsletter that is basically going to collect all the shit that was on the website so you can just like read through all the posts and stuff and check all the music and stuff. I'm not in denial. About what fuck you. You go like this people. Don't know what looking at computers like. I'm gonna let you finish the we. Don't okay other and i'm going to tell you why i'm laughing okay. Then because if you tried to give me to do this in the past. And i said no no. I'm laughing because this is something that we've talked about doing for at least two years and attempted to do this newsletter. That was very funny. Because i'm happy that it's actually coming to fruition. And i'm just i'm laughing at how long it took you guys. We wanna we. Wanna i wanna get to the point where we have someone who's kinda like an editor and then we can have people like on like a fog with us house phone how to artists that he wanted to have us. You know do something about your music. I don't put his yes. Hit him up. Send him whatever you got. A phone is very receptive. He opens every damn. I wanted to be in your group chat. No i don't please especially if it's like a girl group chat of love twenty one group chat and you just want to invite house phone into that you know harass him daily. Yeah have you have. We just looked at like we should have a segment. Where i just get to read my. Dm's because my dm's are actually amazing. I wonder what extent to what extent what percentage of our audience is but hurt over donald trump's seemingly losing the election at this moment He seems very but heard about it. He's accusing already making excuses lawsuits. He's an obese turtle on its back to anderson cooper. I believe as honestly told me that she wanted to knit anderson cooper's baby a little hat and then she remembered that she doesn't know anderson cooper. I guess he just had wonder. I guess he must have adopted or something. This is why he's a gay. I remember when he came out in college and it was a big deal. Always calling him daddy cooper. Everybody knew the engine cooper's gay for hell along for admitted i remember. It was a big thing that like people acting like. They're shocked so a lot of people in that realm they really don't like being like out there with their personal shit because if you're a fucking journalists such a liability for the world to know about probably like scale right last fucking ruin you at all times really. How would you discredit him. Just because he was gay or something. The i just feel like they would. They would like try to paint a picture of him being the cd. Nasty guy. Doing crazy shit clubs. Imagine it's it's not tough to like paint those kinds of narratives. I feel like there's probably would do their best but anyway yeah i was. I was a little worried. I'm going to be honest. i'm you know. I got issues with the democratic party. The leftist they do bad things sometimes but i hate donald trump with so much of my being burning fiery passion. He's such a shitty guy and the what he's doing right now like even. Just take away everything everything. He's done him. Cl- and i've been arguing about this team star all fucking day him taking credit for winning the election with baselessly claiming fraud claiming huge amounts of fraud just having no respect for the institution of the presidency is just straight up fucking sickening and i mean the speech that he gave the night of the election when he basically said all the same shot that he said he's been backed into a corner he knows it's over and it's just so sad and how he's just so happy to go out like a little petulant child accepting the results of the election. He can't decide. Bow out gracefully. Say something nice right. This respect does asked claim fraud needlessly. He has to say we're gonna stop counting votes in certain states and we're gonna count more votes than other states votes. The states that like me. It's crazy now and then when do you think we've seen a president's tweets be censored for fuck in and that's another thing that i've been arguing with certain people a lot and i honestly from my perspective and people who know me know that i'm not wanting to just like buy into the fuck and democratic or liberal narrative at all times but i think twitter's done admirable job because they really are in a place where they need to have some kind of editorial control over the president doing something that is completely unprecedented. And i really don't even think that the technology that twitter has come up with where they basically how they can add a label to your tweets. I don't think that twitter would have had to invent that ever ever would have had even really consider inventing this if it wasn't for donald trump being the president. He just he lies so much it's unthinkable. and they. I feel like they've been backed into a corner. They had to come up with something to be able to label it when he lies and i mean he's been doing so much lying. I think they said that. Thirty nine percent of his tweets sense. Tuesday have been marked by twitter as being misinformation and. I don't think that they're wrong for what they've done. I mean is lying is spreading. Disinformation to people that are going to buy into one hundred percent. I see people making that argument of like this censorship. And it's like it's not really. Censorship is leading people. It's not like they're deleting his tweets or taking his account. They're just letting people know that he is actually spreading what he says an agreement that when people like people should have to go far above and beyond to have their twitter account deleted to have their their twitter label. Take somebody like milo yiannopoulos who is said and done a lot of shitty stuff. I don't think that he deserves to be banned from twitter. Just because he said and done she. I don't think alex jones deserves to be banned. I think that there needs to be a system by which these kinds of bands can like have a set amount of time. Should be just like real prison where there is a court. Where like you know you can get a ban for a certain amount of time and maybe somebody does other so bad that that's a long period of time. Whatever but trump and what he has done in the face of this election it is one hundred percent necessary that twitter took the steps that they have to label his shit as being lies because it is really just unthinkable. And he's just. He's one of the only people that you can think of. Who would end up with this job. Who would be so lacking in class or grace that he would be willing to go out like this. And i mean i really have resisted the urge to talk about the election pretty much entirely on twitter but i just i feel so strongly about these things that like. This is not a good example of censorship as an example of twitter doing the bare minimum to protect the citizens of the united states from just being sold this fucking bullshit by him. You know. I can't imagine like i don't know what the thing is. Call when they like. Pass the fucking house or whatever where one person leaves in the other. One comes in like what obama had to do. It's going to be tax can be on. What is the next month going to look like. It's actually trounce. What if trump is fires on. Joe biden slaps him. He's going to do some fuck shit on the way out the door. Then it's going to be like rubs maga- hat dude. Okay away can we just. Let's do this one we talked about. I wake up in the morning eleven. Am very early for me. Never up that early. The first thing i see is from the night before donald trump addressing this man as low pimp little up for little. We could have expected this in the early days of low pump. Like when i remember we did a podcast. I think pu like mentioned him as like a joke. Like oh yeah low palm. he's dope you know like i like pump started out as a pure mean he goes on to become an actual huge recording artists. Huge hits number one songs. I don't know if good games actually number one but it was a huge song his song. Yeah and then this. Little pomp has decided to take all his eggs and put them in the maga- basket. I honestly don't think that you could have written a funnier jokes or like you could have not made up something that good like it there. I can believe. I threw my phone across the room. This i i was an opposite position. I was waking up. I was in bed ready to go to bed. I was just about to get off twitter. You know a lot of They say doom scrolling going on in my life at this moment where. You're just sorta like mindlessly combing through edge of seeing what the fuck is going on. There's something happened in every other minute. And i just see this and i realized that this actually happened. Pump was so clearly struggling to even like finish. The sentence no to not swear was the main thing that stood out to me. Was that you felt like you were watching him. Have to exercise control over what he's saying for once in his life like maybe for the first time ever yes. Somebody told them not to swear actually decided he was gonna listen. It seemed like he was really struggling with that part. Sleepy joe bad dlt sleepy. Joe thought he caught him creepy joe. Sleepy joe is trump's name that he gave in which i mean. It's kind of a fair name. I'm just high today. I think it was on the couch. I've been smoking blunts today. I've listed the jackie chain about his. We'd showed that he has come to know. Jackie chan right. He's also asia. You have to know about him. Yes last videos music. We are racist and then also we have ruby rose on today but let's continue talking about little pump. Little pimple lil pimp. Now this this is the question that i have though but for the record this is how we brought him. I said speaking of sound music and other things big about that connection and how general that theme is there speaking music and other things. That's almost the other things is literally everything. Everything is other things that falls into that blanket. Category but yeah that for a brief moment there i was not upset with donald trump. I actually. I was feeling him when he had that energy of bringing pump out he was. He was like everyone know who who he is. Anyone with this guy. Trump was shading. I'm right yeah. That was a weird and saying his name wrong. You wish that trump even being trump you wish they had had a little bit more of just giving a shit. And that's what i'm saying. There is no way that you could have written that to be any funnier ails. You couldn't make this up man. They're saying pump has lost like eight hundred. Thousand followers number. Keeps going up three hundred k. But he has how many millions now at this point on even though the people are going to be out to destroy pump after this. I wouldn't be surprised if they banned him from playlist. Tori fucking lanes. Oh my god that dirty. I just don't see where he like. What was his goal to get people to talk about. He's trying to. He's trolling and being funny. But he i don't think he's really trying to be funny though. I think that he has take pump. Might be what they call a one issue voter where the tax thing. He sees that he sees the narrative of joe. Biden is going to raise your taxes which might be true and especially if you make a lot of money in particular. They're saying like four hundred thousand dollars in the the the category which i would assume palm over perhaps in i think that pump sees that nothing enough for him to just sorta i also have some inside information that would suggest that there are other people around him. That support trump. That might be a little bit and He's decided to hitch his wagon to this. I'll be honest with you. I think that a lot of the appeal of low pump is that his sort of like lovable. And like the you kind of see yourself in him like you could. you could look at low pump. Even if you're a thirty year old man and you could be like wow. Isn't it a beautiful thing to be standing out and just having a good time. I feel like this kind of like folks up that fantasy for a lot of people that maybe maybe pump already was kind of struggling to keep people engaged with that fantasy. It's already been a downhill decline. It's been not the best couple years in career you know. I- does he know anything about taxes. He knows that he doesn't wanna pay that much of them. He wants to pay less taxes. I think he's a one issue voter. And that i don't think i don't think pump really cares about abortion. I wouldn't be surprised if he had had some murals have abortions in the past. Perhaps i think he doesn't make a bitch of bush's. I'll make a bitch of abortion abortion. Who i think. He likes the attention for sure why he did it but i think he also kind of like sincerely believes in what he's saying and i think i think he might not really true realize doing what to what extent people take politics really fucking serious and that it's not like you're rooting for a basketball plan. People will like even think about low wayne thinking about connie thing about ice cube all these people have either endorsed trump ice cube. I think the his support of trump has been like over over exaggerated bit but like in the other cases like though wayne and kanye and stuff i think that they are going to see like real consequences from them coming out for trump which is fine if they want to for sure. I'm just saying that. I don't really feel like trump of that. That pumped might realize trump and pump. How much that might affect. I feel like they're really artists. Who work with him. No i lot artists may be who are really not going to work somebody. The people around him like told him about this before. I don't think he really has people that would necessarily tell him that he probably doesn't have anybody around here. That will tell him anything besides like a great idea bump right and he sees going. Viral is getting a reaction. I think he's just have a phone because he ain't taken that off right now. It's been a few days you you made a good point like it's not like you're voting for a assad. Your rhythm for a basketball team is like these policies these beliefs and like the type of shit that donald trump is pushing will if affect people's realize lives affect people's families jobs and just like the state the greater good of america as a whole is just like right dude. You're pushing some shit like trying to be funny or like trying to like get trying to get in the headlines is fucking stupid. i don't i have. I couldn't believe that i was even watching it. I've had a good amount of people on twitter kind of like blaming lula palms career on me which seems like a stretch right and demanding that i sort of like renounce his support of donald trump. How are to me with you. I would think almost nothing also was like rich kids involvement. Why did he did he will. He was four trump. He is the master chaser. He be came out saying that he was invited to to be to come and go. To this event spelling. I would be very interested to know to what extent the trump campaign like put pump on the private jet and like had him come out just exactly in that or if that was pomp sam the value in getting himself there. None of those a lot. Well this is what i was doing into. I'm like did they. Previously see him supporting trump on his instagram and then they reached out or i think maybe and that's the narrative that rich kid is putting out. There is that they were trying to fly. It's kind of hard to imagine that anyone who works in politics would have the grammar that was expressed in that text conversation. You saw the kid having you kind of people who work in politics to be have a better grammar than that. But hey who knows maybe has an act of the trump campaign is not the most learned folk or doesn't have these spellcheck working on his phone at this time for those threat of texts into. Maybe that's why this person is like the hip hop connec dialect. And they can. They did that on purpose. Like that was like they had a branding meeting about how this person was going to reach out to the hip hop community. First thing. turn off your your spell check because maybe people relate with you a little bit more. if you don't like add the g. to end liver. I n g word like if you said balling and you said be a l l i n maybe risk the kid will definitely people think you have a more authentic voice. I mean think about this. Joe biden had to perform different. I thought that was pretty artfully. Uh policies are different. Alright hit it right who he was a supporter of Things being different. You know i'm different. I'm different. I liked that. It doesn't take a lot to form a connection there. But the piano dean. Dang oh my the only thing better for that. Low pump performance is if actually performed gucci gang onstage remix it trump game trump trump. Does this dance like the. I want to see him do this. That's your gym. I have never seen you do like the little ones. When he's jacking off the ghosts in the air. It is so weird. That's kind of like we'd like to see him do that to gucci gay. I'm not gonna lie though the remakes maga- hat with the forty five in the american flag on it. I'm gonna be really the only magazine that looks right to me is the original. Whenever i see the new weird ones with different fonts. I mean i want to wear but i look at that and i'm like that is not it like keep the original. It'd be like supreme and a different fucking box letter on. I only want to see the maghera in the in the words of almighty suspect featuring shitty boys just slapped fire out a nigga would trump hat who i like it when they get political tell punch a nazi dot com Actually i've been you know. Don't don't don't give me that. I very be adam. I've been nicely. Be twenty two pretty astonished. By how many people who normally i have. Some degree of respect for their opinion are very willing right now to hop on every accusation of fraud in terms of fooding different people different conservative. People that i normally like. Don't think are bat shit. Crazy and game starts definitely one person that i think is in the basha crazy category right now cartoon like he thought what was the cartoon he what he he tweeted. I think this isn't what you think. it is. And we argued about this like way longer than we should have because he basically posted a cartoon everything ever he's giving got trump and he's pointing out the one ballot that says trump votes and he says legal votes i think and they he's pulled votes right and then he's pointing out that fraud the biden votes and it just says fraud and keep star posted this as if this somehow actually supported his opinion of there being rampant fraud in the election. And that's really not the intention of this cartoon. This cartoon was saying trump is calling all the boats for him real votes and he's calling all the boats for biden as being fraud. And that's ridiculous because it doesn't make any sense that all the votes and there is no indication of fraud. Keep star posted this as if it supported the accusation that there is fraud and you would think that it would be pretty easy to explain to him and that he might even think about deleting it but he was very defensive about it and did not delete it and i noticed a lot of other people in politics dunking on him for this because to be fair he supports trump. And this is about the most trumpian thing you can imagine. Yeah kinda like blow it and like get something wrong and then instead of admitting it just keep defending and just realized that your fans will probably just right out at some point so i just don't understand how he's brainwash so many people into just blame. I'm gonna blame anybody. But his support from the black men has gone up this year trump compared to twenty sixteen so house phone. We are looking at you. What what do i have twenty percent right or some shit but listen in two thousand twenty. This is what we do. It's identity politics if we if it less white men voted for trump this year than in two thousand sixteen so tiny and i didn't vote for the other time either. Listen man. i voted against him again. This time and i'm just saying man showing some improvement. I just wanted to not so much. I came close answer out process. I can't even what's what's the percentage because it's only like five percent the plus on entertainment. No i'm saying that. I think it's at only twenty percent of black male voters fucking low compared to how many fucking white men voted for him. That's fair obviously. Overall percentage white white men or those. That's what i'm saying. But let's in terms of change over the last four years. The difference is on different naming naming. Okay this is the whole integration of like social media and like celebrity celebrity moss and politics. And just how it's fusing together just fucking scary man. Who would've adam run for president. It's not gonna work out. You were you the night of election year just like one hundred percent not paying. It's just like doing xanax. And just like dying your hair pink or something. no no. I was not doing xanax. I'd i've i've been in my own bubble and is working on my shit and this actually trying to album. Monday is far away from the spots album. Remember when they do voter die. Yeah that was that was a great campaign but then they weren't like really endorsing one or the other do like a little baby. Put up a post. I noticed where he was saying. Go out and vote. But he's not saying go out both for biden but probably kind of In the candiate. Joe rogan podcast. He brought up a really good point. Trump voters will always stand on the thing like drug twenty twenty two winey but then biden. Voters are always just like vote. It's your choice. do what you want. And it's because like i mean. Obviously it's for the presidency but also go vote on that you. Are you know you support you. Stand by you know so. I didn't vote. Who said i didn't vote. Vote as probably like a week ago. Vote maybe late maybe fake votes. Yeah i wanna take voters. I did not even know i was registered to vote and then i got the ballot in the mail and i said you know what bucket. I'm with biden. Actually thought that i couldn't vote because i'm not one felony. I got two felonies. I got three felonies. Bellamy i got five felonies. I got six felonies. I got seven felonies bitch. I'm bill bellamy. So i thought that i couldn't vote. South bass go. I just learned that some bill passed. I voted for that. And as long as you're not on probation currently then you can vote. If you have a felony we'll be. i have to honest with you. Remind me i have to talk to you. More about p when i get back story. I don't know. I got a story to tell this whole piece so bad but this story is good. Okay so how was your trip to to loom. Tell me about it amazing. I thought i was able to a fucking miss a week but you can move the right for the day right after i got back on damage but No i had a really good time. It was nice to get away. And i was about to say i feel like you are a person that is so like head down and focus on your work or whatever going on nov. I feel like. I'm always album past three years. That i've known you you've been an album odierno and your boyfriend so it was good to see you guys like go. I know was annoying. Because he didn't realize like you have to like a plan ahead so he had like seven or eight different projects you had to work on. So one of the nights he took out raw then worked from eight pm to seventy m alison had diarrhea. What did you do like this time. So annoyed i was like fucking. I went to got him massage. I went to the beach. You do all that while. He was asleep no while he was working. Yeah no it was nice to get away and like i. I just social media. Which was awesome. And like i dunno selects was nice to just not be on my phone and like looking at bullshit and just scrolling. No you know. I it was. It was interesting because everyone makes to loom out to be like this. Like super hyped. Id thing and like. I don't know i didn't feel like that at all. Maybe i didn't go to the spots that have that kind of like those girls and stuff like that one. I don't really really nice. But i know i'm just saying like i didn't. I thought i was going to see like instagram girls. Walking around taking pick like everyone like influencers taking pictures and having photographers and regular people accept the night of halloween on their on halloween. They have like i guess. Every night has like a different bar or club that people go to let's pop in and so the night of halloween saturday was like papaya beach. Cover some shit. Oh my god the line to that shit. I thought i was at one oak. I didn't go. But i was driving past 'cause my hotels on the way to the club. Global halloween is is like west. Hollywood in mexico like those spots. That's why you can be isolated from alabama. Okay so you know how. There's just that one road that goes along the beach let right. There's a what your store or is it fucking. There's designer stores on that street. The and went to it. It was fucking crazy out on purposely. Drove you away from exactly exactly. Strategically avoided the birkin's store the whole time. It's called the her minister store in store. There was this spot called papaya beach where everyone goes to and like the like while you wait in line probably but the line outside it was crazy. Yeah i'm glad i didn't go to that. We stood We went well no that day. We went to the park called x. Cut or no but this theme park. They'll open yes. It's actually pronounced. Get it so it's kinda like s. Get this on the instagram story. And impose any of what the mean. I i forgot i was having a good time a really good time. If you didn't fucking story paul's only thing. I saw her post like her playing. Like wooden jenga on the beach people. I was like damn. They're really people go on vacation just posted on instagram deflects on their friends who didn't go on vacation pictures. I'm waiting to post. Because china poultry now because elections insensitive this is like the protests they can you know. Are they going to suppress my thing like all right. Well maybe just don't say anything about voting and you'll be alright. Yeah i was having that dilemma too. Because my shoes are about to drop very soon but everybody's talking about the election. Yeah but i have to announce it at least a week before the actual draw blood. They're saying that. They're gonna count all the votes by next thursday or friday a song i need so maybe maybe post about it now and then the next week i think in right now like realistically they'll house phone average fan is not even aware that there is an election. Jabber fans are like do you. Don't give a fuck about the election. Why don't you do this. I would love to have seen the comments when we were just talking about the election. Because i was on the young turks youtube channel and they're like super super liberal leftists fox and their comments are so pro-trump. Trolling them laughing at their pain. The internet has as a whole youtube as a hall is so fucking trump friendly when you look at the comments and shit i i feel like Adam twenty two houses trump friendly to and it's not true. Imagine at trump son in front of my house. I would never do that. Can you guys right here at this fucking tale about the most exciting thing. That's happened to me in a while. All right and you guys have promised that you're not going to stay. We have to treat this like where a fucking medical committee and we have to be very mature serious. You ready. you're something he was. You're gonna stand up for this. Yeah i got a story to tell so. Basically my penis hurt and it hurt for know maybe a week or two like feeling kinda weird but like where like the head shocked. It was just like a dull adult weird pain in the penis. Like the shaft was any like bumps. No no bombs no leakage or anything. So i i go to the clinic and i get the urine panel done which basically tests you for all all these besides like her besides Hiv and it tests you for ut is well which is the other thing. I was thinking it could possibly be and that was weird. It up this really worried. And so i got this panel done. Nothing came back negative on anything. So i booked a urologist appointment for the first time in my life i go in is very nice. Guy has me pena cup subpoenas cup. He examines my urine. He says i don't see anything wrong. He starts asking me some more questions. And he decides that he needs to check my prostate. Which i had my cost could be previously. But this was some other shit. He basically like real quick like they do it in a real hurry so you don't see it coming but he he just tells me he's like all right. Well i'm going to have to bend over. I here and he's fucking putting this glove on. He's putting the goop on the glove and this mother and he can't ram the ram haram. This fucking big hand. He was a big guy taller than you think he might have been telling me or at least send you. I thought that too. But i'm pretty sure that there would be no real reason. I bigger british was god. I hope it didn't go for to that. Just seems like unnecessary wiggle around. While he was in there no. I don't think he like finger. I don't think he's looking for the g spot or anything but for me. This was very traumatic. But this is the thing. He gives me a little tiny cup before he does this and he tells me to hold this like on my penis wall. He's doing it because you know it's it's like when you stimulate the prostate. Like i've heard about this. My whole ages felt the need to actually experiment. But i it wasn't like actual jacket. It was rico. Clearest pre commish type so you out or liquids peanuts absolutely incapable and you love is the first time in my life that i had my prostate triggered manually by a man with a rubber glove and big hand. It was like he could've been linebacker in college. who knows. Did you feel any type of sexual attention like before. He did this no after honestly the way that he did it where he just sorta like said all right as we gotta do going like it was so fast that i didn't have time to be fucking worried about it and then it just happened and but the promises that i kind of miss the cup with my with the stuff that came out of my wiener. But i got a little bit. I think you saw then. He tells me he's like all right. Well it's still going to be inside of your penis or whatever you just need to drink. You need to pee in this cup and will like come out with the p p the like apparently when he stimuli prostate. That's how we would be able to test that and find out. If there was something wrong with my prostate. And so but then i had to go into the lobby of the doctor's office and stand there and they had these little tiny cups like this big and i had to drink like twenty of them over the coldest freezing office. Water as i'm gonna get some orifice. I probably honestly drink twenty little cups of this before. I finally was like okay. I can pay a little bit. My body was freezing ice cold. Water shriveled up. The then informed me that he thinks that i have an infection on my prostate that was spreading. And then when i started thinking about starting to think oh my god my balls have been like a little bit more sensitive lately that i think is connected as well so now. I'm on this antibiotic. And i feel amazing and i now realize that that. I'm pretty sure that this is exactly what i random a fiction i have. Have you just been shitting. Not wiping good enough or something. I don't think like a poop. Messiness type thing prostate cancer. That at one point he actually had chemotherapy and got past it. Which is that is scary. Because i had my actual real colonoscopy done last year and they said that was all good but now this spring sharing those intimate very intimate wanted to tell people that i now weirdly feel like i know what gay dudes are talking about. When they're all like trying to get nailed the asshole like. I don't think i want that. But now i've been right up there next to the brink of like kind of experiencing it. I'm like oh so. That's all but i don't really feel like i myself need to continue to extort doors on your like. I went to a poetry reading one time. She didn't made it into a whole only. I'd make it like dr. Just gonna to my phone back. Pay him give him a famous down. Cough trae schlongs or whatever. Be the next like doctor and just have a little seen. Just lenna no let lose hand. Just you gotta make it trace long. I'm brian pumper. Do your next think like the hip hop community would disown me if i was getting my ass off fingered by my girlfriend on onlyfans because i would have this video of weird things that you've already done getting her abby on twitter. Do you think that if i have my ass off fingered on twitter that like did he would come out and be like we need to make him leave the culture. This is actually did. He is probably the opposite. Jay z will come out and be like listen. We can't just let this white guy get his. Booties fingered on twitter. He's gone if you did that. I might have to actually quit this time. You really judge me like that. When i my friends again and again fucked in the ass. I don't judge wonder jesuit just like the the overwhelming messages. That i will get from other people about you getting your finger. Your booty fingered on twitter would be too much. I'm not interested in having anything in my buddy and every time i've had a doctor do it just cements that further and further that. Wow i can mail thing that you have to do all the time because i've never had a woman doctor. The finger my booty hole. You could just feel my prostate. Felt fucked up and possibly infected crazy. He just got an air was like he has had two fingers. He could get a grip on your prostate. I don't even know what a prostate is or what it looks like a little bean a bean. The beat him. I asked being on my ass who are being asked and your prostate is is infected anymore. I wonder how it got infected. So you could inform the viewers how to not get in you know getting your prostate checked as soon as you get into your thirties or whatever is like very very viewers. This possibly true. But i'm just saying it's like if you care about your health at all getting your prostate checked out like early rather than not is very not looking forward to colonoscopy how old you have to be together those so weirdo transparently not into anal. Kim is because that girl who's like down with calling whatever would want to have a colonoscopy. You can't eat the whole day before you have to get like water shoved up your ass was wondering. Let me tell you this. Yeah the day that. I couldn't girls at like anal light. Colonoscopy is your your logic is all the way off my go. Scott thought that oscar would just be down to was like. Oh no he thought oscar would be happy to go to jail because he thinks but anyway yeah four jails whatever i'll just experiment michael scott. Do that is definitely michael. Scott one thousand percent. Yeah and you're michael. Scott evil fucking stanley. That's cool. no the warehouse guy on the warehouse. Darryl's like buff and like fucking man's man not meal stanley's like fifty years old which is kind of fucking kelly. There's he's in representation on the show. Yeah kelly she's asian indian guts agent in asia. Okay russia's asia to Asian woman was. Yeah yeah yeah. No because michael has pulled out her indian art counted into asian. Remember the dundee's and michael is doing asian character pan or something and ping ping his there in applebee's and there's just like asian woman like looking at horror while michael michael's doing this impersonation actually. He's been playing a lot of rummy which is sounds weird to say because it's such an unbelievably lame thing to be doing. But we've been playing a lot of rummy lately and with the help that it's a card game it's pretty fun. I'm not sure i'm gonna strategy. There's involved because i tried to look up some videos of people buying at a higher level and haven't really found much. I'm relation to thinking of getting into pok mon trading cards dude. I know it's super trying to write off backwards. I was paying attention to the actual game. And i feel like it looks really fun. You're just gonna pay an insane amount. You should have gone into it like like twenty years. I wish i still had my. I had a whole book. What the fuck in sleeves and everything condition was probably shit. That's one thing. I find a lot of people's collections are like not worth much because of the condition of the cards isn't five. Yeah i have mine. And i had heard that that was important to know that the cards that you need to play the game are necessarily like mega expensive to the point where it would be. Prohibited a lot of the cards. You need are like newer stuff as well. Which i don't again it's crazy. Just fall on instagram. You'll fucking france. Asians honestly needs to pull up to the crib. And just teach me. He will give me a few hours of i used to be watching is right now. He used to always Or i used to always play magic the gathering when i was in high school or not. I was actually telling the story early. About how i got out of it because i got bullied. Bmx friends. when i was fourteen. Yeah they make fun of me for having a mountain bike and got into bmx bikes. Fucking religiously game. It was so annoying. Oh my god justice lunatics who are entered these days from what i hear but like holy gatherings of like magic. Oh yeah we're going to that. No when i was in japan and we went to the store we saw mad. Japanese dudes playing the pok mon trading card game and i was watching some youtubers. You like open the boxes of tall a two million dollar over get like four hundred k or two hundred what what was in. There made it expensive. Just one of the super super original bogeyman boxes. That and what they do is they have like they have all these different people who who are watching and you can invest like you could spend. I don't know how much was a couple thousand dollars to to buy in one of the packs and then whatever comes in that pack you then get locum paul nails to you and there's people like logan pa in this new but there's people who do this on youtube like dan day out just open pack of cards. You get to invest in it kinda cool. It's crazy that 'cause i remember when you know it was a big phenomenon phenomenon when i was younger to collect these and than they would also like save them. Because you never know how much they're going to be worth safety with beanie babies and i'm like oh fuck. It's actually happening. I wish i saved. Babies will ever go back up in price. Because i actually read a whole book about the collapse of the beanie baby market i had tubs and tubs of fucking beanie babies. I spent thousands of dollars on those. Why because i love them. I don't know cute experience the market crash or were you too. Young to care are probably too young to care. I think i had phased out of my beanie baby craze. By that point everything you guys are talking about just reminds me of like where that too but also cool. It reminds me of like this sneaker game. And how like like done like nike dunks or so cool like ten years ago and my guy had crazy dunn's whatever sold them all gave them away or whatever and then now travis scott post one picture and some nike dunks and the fucking san bernardino go buy some san bernardino dino. I just had king. Most wanted on the podcast. You see that y- let's go off zan and Admitted to power through the interview. Kind of weird. I was like wow. This isn't happened to me. And a while. While he was just like at some point he was a little like zoned out. In retrospect but he also just like admitted in the middle of it like zan right and also was talking about crashing car off the which reminded me of the german don cress interview where they were found some pretty vicious fucked up zanex stories to yeah he added a whole his arm in a cast and he he's wanted Yeah and it was from us from that accident. Yes jesus christ he's from victorville and san bernardino born in the dean moved is such a funny thing because like everyone from la from like you know south central compton. Whatever like whatever parts la the we always make fun of you know don't are not for mellow. Yeah whatever but it's like do this. It's such a big community is actually so much shit going on out there. Have you knew then you would make fun of that shit's crazy. We need to go out there and so methamphetamines for sure like you said people were hit you about being nfl. Mcdonald's like you shouldn't be there and like not like you shouldn't be there but people were hitting me up like she like. I cannot believe that you are in san bernardino at fucking mcdonalds museum. It's just like the shittiest don's you ever seen it was like original mcdonald's down he was original one. I think that they both are in somewhere or another. One in downey is still the longest standing one. But but it's updated it. Looks like a modern mcdonald's right no i think he's still early inside the but it it has like the old school. Look keep going on your dino wave and interview the who team we are actually just. I love his music. Let's go you need to tap. In with k-line's he's also from the area really. Yeah he's super fire. Someone links shit gets hookers from out there to. She's real she's from the riverside. So you can. Just thrive in san bernardino. I'm talking about the dino talking about riverside. I mean all that should it's similar county. They give you monster energy in the hospital. When you're a baby there forever. Side i think of monster energy seems like well number one when you drag riverside you do see the monster fucking logo. No the The factor giant tonghua. Also everyone there just drives trucks and has more star everybody. Everyone is if you pay taxes to riverside you're obligated to have a strategy truck Like on the back of your truck lie because it's a san bernardino thing to have there's During pride boroughs froze the rose to. I know about grows orange. It's like they kind of dress. Like show low's almost say only wear black white and red and then the Bro hose are the women. Are they only wear black. White and Hopping as an off. Shoot of the chillers. No this is like the. The ride like dirt bikes. It's like a whole thing over there. It's like it's not like they're being white show. I was gonna say i read. There's a vice documentary about it. Like the real broza. Simi valley Keep referring to this yanni to go. Watch that that's hilarious. Yes hilarious the baby so it's conveyed baby. He's looking at me every year. Dude babies giving me bad vibes man. You should support black. Comedians people stuff. They chapelle smart top favorite comedian. Just kidding please. don't take a real thing that i actually think i don't take any real goes out there. Yeah you every day. That i need to go watch dillon. Francis reality show from a couple of years ago. And i just don't i don't really see it for me. It's fucking hilarious. That's why i don't know you live by she. She was like damn. They caught me. Pink mass go now. Laura knockout to not the way. Yeah they're so bored with our has to come through flex for ruby rose and then she's out i heard a she said good like intermediate all welcoming door more offended than me when people are. Don't show up. sometimes. I have to calm down. It'd be like right rappers. Rapper time way. But i heard that ruby rose a fan of our show allegedly. We'll see if she sees this and posted on instagram. Stretch shouts out camera. One hundred thousand. We love you. I'm at ninety nine point one. I'm be beating cam grosso ruby. Rose i need you to shout. Meow quick on the black market. How did you get metro boom into take professional photos of your better sneakers so much older you and tag you posted like seven different photos. There's this boom you only purchase or sneakers. He bought it he he didn't to him he not only hit us. Hymning him in my business partner know each other or know they went dinner and like He like showed him the shoes. But wait for. David came out so metro boom and not only send pictures. Not only did he buy off. Four pairs of sneakers but he took way more professional than better than your pick. He'd sorry the count get a lot of followers from this. I'm like tuncay fifteen damn prone the shit heart. You would think that he got paid. The if i didn't know better. I would think that somebody paid mad money do that. He bought the he bought them and just posted. It broke down. that's live. I mean honestly. Like i want to say maybe we had like six or seven thousand posts now. Gave us eight thousand. So we got a couple of k. Off here but honestly She's been doing good on. Its own really. I'm going be honest. I mean yeah man honestly like crazy like just like the about support in the love. We've been getting from the fans and from people you know like it's weird because like i've been working on for a while and like obviously like my close friends like i've been keeping them updated with it but just like releasing to the world is just like crazy man dropping the friday the thirteenth. I'm going to leave right now. the the thirteenth. I love the brown pair. What the pinky. Because i want. I'll do my nails the same. And i'll give you a little shoutout events. Storms lane allan lane even more rare even more exclusive or more at school. It's more cool. It's like if you show up at the function of aids ends. Nobody's going to know what your shoes are. They're going to be like dan. Those are lit exclusive where they came from have like a force field around where you just can't stop duclos yet. It's like you know you get too close. Then you might be rolling the dice getting shot so i understand that if somebody scuffed up. Someone's shoes in the club and they then shoot them dead that you will cover their legal fees right. Yeah well see. Have you thought about this thing with our shoes. Is their unstoppable. Talk too much. Drip lakes right cameras said is a force field around. You can't get too close I don't know i like. I haven't i feel like i don't feel the need to use this platform to talk about this but i don't yeah i'm trying to be subtle. You know you know. Post the white man doesn't want you to make money off of sneakers holders down. You can't hold me. Metro boom posted me. I don't need only to posting. Music goes metro podcast with thought. About what is what is trump gonna do after you lose. Go to model like give them to model the high rollers. Maybe we'll just get a little deeper into the hole. Low pump thing. you'll be started podcast with low pump. Are he's going to be. I don't think we're going to see any less of donald trump being president. I feel like if anything it's going to be. Even more obsessive reality shows ryan pumper low pump and donald trump should make a podcast. Pump up trump. I like that pomp trump and dump trump and pump. The brian bummer. Video is now clocking over a quarter million views hit sergey surge out of nowhere it did. It did like thirty forty youtube even like it gives you a little summary. Your videos doing youtube to tell me my video was not doing as well as some of my other videos and now there's only took me a year of my life and then all of a sudden start surging proud gonna continue but did you think. Do you think brian pumper. Like shot at it out. I heard he's imprison. Somebody was sending me screenshots of brian pumpers charges and why he's locked up And even see the video. So i didn't even really actually click on it and now i'd never be able to find that trying to look for it but i think he might be in jail for chretien speaking jail speaking them jail. Free the rule of speaking of brian. Pumper drako the ruler emerged from the same time period. Sort of is bryan. Probably went to high school together. It'd be honest. Dude cannot just talk about how crazy like what the fuck is going on in the universe. Who was expecting that curveball. Just come out of nowhere. I had no idea. I was making plans with his hami juge. I was making plan. Let's see season. I was making plans. Like about pulling up to court. Because i couldn't do it monday. The day that they were going to court. I was like what am i gonna pull our. And then all of a sudden. I look at twitter. I see jeff. Weiss said that the state basically said drako years. A plea deal. We'll give you time served. We know you didn't kill this guy. Well the national say that and now you can go and he just had to accept the plea deal which is pretty crazy. Because i'm sure that that probably i would assume means that he can't sue the state for wasting years of his life with him in court That's okay because it would be nice if you're able to do that is now out his run around the city. He's going crazy in the studio. He's claiming that he's going to be dropping a mix tape very very soon. Which i'm not one hundred percent share of that. I think that that's probably the best idea. I think that he should maybe like like take his time. Whatever he's going to drop he gotta go crazy because number one cold devil was a real. Do classic and a lot of his word from prison. Also very highly regarded in terms of like his straps are excuse me his scraps as his straps. Let's not go there but this grabs grabs a lot of people. Love discussing a lot of people love to jail versus. But but i would just advise him. Whatever he's gonna put out make sure there's a classic the way they. He did the way i've got to give credit to because the way that they put together was by far the best of anyone i've ever seen the tried to do like joe recording style music. Now i've heard a lot of people. Yeah it was like. I think it was the combination of like. You could actually hear what he was saying. I don't know if he like fucking iphone and did some voice notes or something. Drako is no. It wasn't that they just figured out some weird wiring type thing that they did with the phone or something. They told me that hard time listening to them. Really looking forward to listening to some real shit. Because i couldn't get into the jail stuff front front to top. It was better. I guess i really didn't okay. This listening about like a random like gucci man verse from jail a random lil wayne jail gucci. Ever do that. He wasn't really doing. He just had leftover shit before he went in jail. I feel like a lot of rappers. How big a random over the phone. Jail free saw nobody. No but that's what i'm saying. This one sounded a murder. Nine suck suck dick and judd like crafted the beats around the lyrics. It sounded to me to them for that. But i'm really looking forward to some real fucking music in real studios. he's already. He was in the studio right away. I see debra around with him and everything must wear for. he's like he's got to either like cosign trump like if he's can have to cosign trump but now he hanging out with drako which i guess is probably easier because you know he's in la anyway. But i don't know all. I'm saying drako i have people sending me warnings bad. There's a lot of people upset with drako in the city. La and so. I just want to advise him to be very very careful how he's moving around and also he's gotta be really careful because the cops are not going to be fucking looking upon drako friendly like they're probably just looking for another reason to get his ass just like before so i mean i did. Reach out to him tyler. My go like. I got people sending me screenshots at this this and this and his his attitude is of course. I don't give a fuck. But was he expected me. Say i definitely didn't expect him to say they go. Gee i'm going to be real careful moving around. But i have people telling me people trust telling me adam. Be careful if you're going to be around drako like you don't wanna be in the hood would drako. You don't wanna be. You should be doing interview with drako. Don't put it on instagram story. While it's happening like give some time and stuff. So i don't know like how real that shit is or whatever but i just really like given how close we came to like. It really seemed like a possibility that offer ten twenty years and that his rap career would be effectively done given all that like i really really hope and pray that nothing that he's just very careful and just like stays focused on the music and shit because at the end of the day that's all that matters and like you know he so influential in so like you just fucking good iraqi man you know and it's like we need him around. We need stink team around. It's crazy because i was adjust went to the studio met up with dub in p. ralphie catchy all them that like friday right and like this is way. This mucus had no idea how. At least i didn't know the idea of the us mexican blessed drako with his feature price. Get in there. Get the first feature. I should get the first featured label manager. I'm signed yay. Thanks for the number right. Hey dre grandview. A really supported the the la rap scene in the black community as a whole. Just me as your co worker. Usually by the feature drako. Like i know this this little boy he has he has an answer and his last wish was is that he wants to do a feature drako. The ruler is hoping that you could do it for the. Jason knows i am. He repulsed me address. You up in hospital blanket really big foam baseball. You gotta like not eat for a few weeks mad now out and get zanzibar. Wish was drink some lean with the ruler so speaking lean man. What tapped in last weekend. Really i spent i. I spent the stimulus check on seventy five not the green upgraded from the green. That's my other thing. I'm worried about is how because last time drako got locked up when he got out he was pouring so much and was totally. Nonsensical on the on the timeline by five in the morning like i. I wonder if he's planning on tap back in with his inner juice demon or if he's going to try to learn different crazy though await on a little you know. Little craziest thing is the fucking pharmacies in mexico where they just lay out everything like exam and they had codeine. And we're like okay. Well yes and i was like what is this and they showed us this whole like fucking huge bottle of what it was called the visa. The rulers strictness sip inactive visa visa was never nikki haley active visa talking about how it was bush if you never sip to activist. I don't wanna hear. I smoke mid and i'll drink some mexican lean. I don't fucking care. I'm open minded. Drank game is just like it's not like they're gonna making it harder and harder to get lean. It's gonna keep going higher hard to get right now. It's told me she went to every cbs in orange county and still couldn't get one really everyone prescription. Yes he wasn't trying to with the prescription get it. And how much did you pay. Just wondering got it from. Did you pay per line. Three fifty no fucking way. I spent the stim- check soldier. Boys sold house phone. An eight of lean start here ain't no he hit with with that. I can do right. it's been so long. I have to clear up a rumor that i started here on november. That actually got some repercussions Behind it because i made a joke about the blackout girls Possibly said enough soda when he got robbed at one time and the yet people like get them up about it and make jokes about it and apparently soldier boy stop talking to them over that avec. One apologized to the black girls. Personally we gotta get them on. You have them clear. Clear the air. I always think of that. That that was the time that i tried to be the fun party guy and i bought like like that was the last probably three something that me and leno like tried to do before we yeah we almost hooked up with them and glenna was totally down and stuff and then i bought hennessy in tequila and those girls got so drunk one of them was puking in the fucking toilet like within like an hour and i was like goddamn at all i had to do was not the cool guy who buys much alcohol. I swear we did like two shots. Were done do do but they loved him so much there. So fucking funny seem so many rabbit do their fucking killing it man. I was telling them like dude like just their chemistry together and like honestly listen to be honest. A lot of girls don't like stay best friends like that for a long time but they broke up with the foot skinny spider looking at its natural fucking sucked anyway. Low so like fucker. We're not gonna give her should talk about the fact that year. He was once in love with the long was. That was a whole joke for november. That wasn't a real the new year. Also patrolling mike riley fucking sick as your year riley. they just had a fucking a romantic getaway. Murilo birthday fucking yeary went all out to fucking nice fancy dinner. He was in his bitch ordering flowers the day before cave oranges about talking about. But it's so hard. When i saw him posting pictures on her birthday i really realized like how in love with her he is and also how much better his life probably is having adult girlfriend versus like just years and years of being and sell at fucking oranges and maybe even other fruits life stream trying to like find girls trying to fucking make out with random bitches at fucking bar doing coke off people's dicks cook. I hope he never. Did you ever talk dance. Couple couple couple couple months bumps this is this feels better have you. Riley done coke together saw her on to sell riley yoed yuri was was was Supplying the drank once one was talking about how he just got some of the other day. Bro me on saas walkout here. How much would you sell it for later. No no no way that you did have what. How does that work tapping with me. Fool came through the land in a meeting in chicago With the last lyric eliminate ingram guy came through. He had a pinal lean. He poured me up in the lyrical lehman. Lemonade soda. i as i was doing it as just like a thought. I take a picture of it. I sent the dj dabs. I said what's up with this. He tells me right away. It's fake on directed. Ira taking a sip of it. Then this guy who brought me lean. I see him on twitter saying like i fake lean. Why do i don't know but that right there is what you can't trust fans that he could hit me with the juice. You don't even know like one of the worst drug experiences i've ever had in my life i was. I was out of somewhere house party right. This guy comes up to me. And i'm like ketamine warehouse party music loud new standard where. I'm standing right next to the speaker. Right guy comes in to me. Winters foam puts it in my ear. Like this in china. Like play his music from his phone nigga. Where at a party. I can't hear this. I hate mother fuckers. Anyway he continues to talk to me as i'm just like typing on my phone completely not even paying any mind and then he's a yoga. Molly whatever and i was like yeah whatever. Mommy and i had a beer my hands so this is like twenty seventeen with the molly and the beard put. He put the whole capsule in my beer. Thought back i was growing up i felt good and then once i got home at the end of the night. It was the weirdest like tingling sensation in my legs. My legs felt like like noodles or something that felt like my spine had given out and that like my legs. Just like we're like dad or something. I couldn't move and like i just felt like super cracked alec. I was up by is our big. I one thousand percent. It was definitely cut with math for sure then. Sleep for almost twenty four hours. Be careful subduing Mean we this twenty seven. Don't take drugs from random people as pops motherfucking fans gave me like. It was going out of style when you do that. Shit up people just offer it to you. They can tell that you fuck with it. Remember that i don't want to out the person but do you remember when we went on the first tour on our guy came. The first thing he did was open up his book bag and said hey. I just robbed some kid in start throwing sand though and i remember even like smoke perp was in slope was in new york after the pump tour. And everything like he kind of had like this whole period living in new york and he we went and met up with him at the studio and when he pulled up he pulled up with some dude. Who had the biggest fucking jars zanex. I've ever seen that really kind of gave me a window into like. Oh shit like you're still like per moved here. And he just has. This dude is like this insane. Fucking pill dealer who just is like basically just deriving off of selling drugs to this dude and his friends and you know i'll be i don't think purpose necessarily on that type of shit anymore. Hopefully but yeah yeah. It was crazy. We have too many crazy. Stories of shit like batman. What are we saying. Wasting to talk about today. I mean shit pimm low temp but think about the no jumper tour thinking about if somebody told us on that tour. Hey one day. Low pump is going to be on stage with donald trump and be the president. I think we knew the donald trump is the president of that point right president. Yeah either way then. Seventeen for i mean he he was. I think just the fact that that's what happened is pretty miraculous. Like tell me if you don't wanna talk about this blow was up with that live from drako. Oh right yeah. I feel like. I am indebted to have that conversation with drako before. Have that conversation on the podcast shadow. To lgbtq community was so random. I don't know what was going on. His his reaction afterwards is what made it like even more go what i find a about so many weird things from faraway hash. There's danson would never know about. Put it on the november. Instagram is so weird about the are you talking about a bunch of kids just like hanging out in their living room and they just start. We're not forget what they said. I was listening from hash. The one dude disagreed. Oh yeah. I research on instagram. To that guy was all hit me up like saying that it was all just fucking damon. Drako gotta go find that guy. They got a free agreed on now. That's what i would like to see. The next move is like i mean like i said i was at the studio and once i saw ralphie and catching them together. That's all i was thinking. It was like damn man. I can't wait till drako comes home. And there's like seems like the whole team real with you though. It's like bad timing for me because i would like to go and do like a late night at the studio drako type thing and like interview. 'em out there and stuff. But meanwhile like lennon's about to give birth and baby any minute and also she back she to be mad at me. If i'm like out of the house around mad people now wearing a mask sharon blunts as possibly sick sharon lean drinking lean off of. Somebody's toilet seat. Yeah is she going to get mad at me. I gotta like stay home tomorrow tomorrow. A i stay home and just kinda like wait for the baby. She's gonna be drinking this oil. What's gonna be making her have diarrhea or painful. Diarrhea is great part of life. She should jot three mix. Tapes called molly. Gas and the castor oil castro. I still castro put it in your hair and women use it to give birth. That's you can actually drink in. Should you drink it. It said it was a super laxative. Babies a shot sooner again babies when they come out are so little. I was around bunch of babies on halloween babies. 'cause like around joshua's kids and shit and the babies they're just they're there little helpless and kind of overwhelmed by the reality of the fact that i'm going to have one soon so cute. Be a little mini you. I i'm really said about my push present to push president. You give her a present for pushing. Apparently you have to give her a present when she birth. Yeah there's all these these like gender reveal party even until like recently one day become a within the past couple of years. Do you need to start thinking about birth. What he'll mean like trump. no. But i'm saying though like you know. Most women aren't really giving birth like forty thirty three. I'm not your thirty. I'm thirty six damn near thirty seven. Forty damer thirty seven. It's coming out in november twenty fourth. This is the first time that you ever says something about your birthday. Before it came probably true. I tended ignore it either. You know your birthday. You have like big. Are that one party you've had been party says out for your birthday. I don't normally do anything for my birthday. One airbnb party and then you had the one we wound to strip club and then went to the airbnb. And i went to either one. You are out of town. Because then i thought of it later. I was like whoa camera. Didn't come to my birthday. Party did not invite her. I hit you up in a mike wait. i know. then you're like i was out of town. Yeah also didn't invite me well. If you're out of town why would. I was out of town. I was outta town came back. That's a real friend to town. House fade. they're almost my birthday. Almost had sex with right outside. You want phone to do a raid. Okay going on interrupting the podcast for those anything else That's funny for us. Pokemon fans is that day at six pm is legendary ray. No it's it's it's spotlight our or legendary raid our them somehow. Our podcasts occurs at the exact time that there's a pokemon go event nearly weekly pretty losers playing in today's thursday. Is there a raid our every week as well while so even even our rescheduled date is a pok mon date. Hey wait i. haven't i have a new a new bet that you can either agree or disagree dr. Whoever gets to one hundred k. I if i win you have to hit the blunt. One time the bong. No i'm gonna describe you need to do it. A dab. i threw up. You were high when you graduated. What changed. I started getting social anxiety when i smoke. Does the best part speak. We can be the crab children. That's why i'm here now. What are we going to do. We're gonna go to your house out there and do the string to the hospital. I wonder i feel like we should have done like a drug podcast back in the day because now i feel like i'm too old and mature. Lean podcast no. I feel like if we had done a zan. Podcast in two thousand sixteen. A i think people would still be talking shit about it and be it also probably would have been legendary is probably done talked to. I just didn't say no back in the day. I always zanex. Because i was fucking with it and then i would be nurse for an interview and take a quarter. Take a little half before. I did the interview. And there's a few interviews. I can look back on and be like i'm not one hundred percent right there. I love the people who think deb. I like have done coke during the podcast because like you went to the bathroom. Yeah but it's like if i'm the type of person when i do coke nigga if i would've went to the bathroom hit once i would win thirty times for sure and that's a problem with is that you do a little bit of it like i had. Somebody asked me when. I was one of log one time and this was after i stopped doing it and i'm like i'm going to go in there and do coke with you. I'm gonna feel really fucking good for like twenty minutes. And then i start feeling kinda shitty and then it's gonna keep going to have to keep doing more and more it's unsustainable rock roller coaster to get onto. You could stop though. Because i remember this one year atlanta's birthday like you john cena. Everyone's doing talk and like you at like some point where like stopping and then there was a group of maybe not me but other people just could not stop and kept going. I was probably a part of that. Glenna has definitely like back when we used to party. There's multiple times where it'd be like four in the morning would still be raging like just going super hard time to go like we gotta go because i like. I always have shit. I wanna do the next day. So even when i was partying i would like always find within myself to go home. I even like six in the morning at noon and like get some more miserable being the girlfriend of someone. That's able to do that. Because i see it must be miserable For the girls that hang out with me when you don't stop keep going until like next. Tuesday yeah i hate party. I'm never i know me we were planning some some trip and they were like the only way you're invited monty. If this is no country people. I would like to apply that to as well in my life. Snow to certain people. But there's definitely people that like. I would probably be down to hang out with them but because of cocaine and maybe alcohol to a lesser extent. I just. I don't want to be around them. I wonder who series know josh pointing. I've never really been around that drunk. But he also is someone that to me is like pretty. He's pretty good at being an alcoholic like he doesn't like totally pissed me off alcoholic. He doesn't like totally upset me with his alcoholism. Even though he's definitely no golic emulate what the fuck. Are you on probably. I was probably also so. I don't really feel like it would be fair to even judge then. We have a whole bunch like real topics that we wanted to talk. We got a couple of you. Wanted to talk about the ridge. only one. The details are kind of scared. Because i was trying to find more information about this but the basic deal is that hitters problem wan was was locked up as a result of a rico charge. Which for another thing is like what they hit the mob with saying that he's basically part of a criminal conspiracy to npr amongst other things. You think it's a money. Power was an nba isn't as crew wasn't money by respect. No it was fucking doesn't that p pb long as thing but like he just be wearing the the the mp wasn't it mpa. I think yeah know. A are not he because because deciding to be begging that she to money pyre respect. Maybe there's some new shit but money by respect is like little kim song from nineteen ninety nine november. But either way powell on that basically. We don't know exactly what he's being charged with. But this overall rico thing concerns murders multiple murders and trafficking a methamphetamine. So it's turns out that. I mean who knows to what extent is probably one could have been involved with this but it might just be the case that all the people who are clowning him acting like a bunch of times or whatever. We're not actually you know. Perhaps he actually was really in the streets doing more than we would give him. Credit for as a rapper. Also it's just crazy when you see these kinds of charges at somebody. Because i feel like. I know a ton of people who potentially could get hit with this kind of thing if the cops actually like cared about getting him. Like how many people do you know who are involved with selling drugs and probably acts of violence and did just been whoever they are for years and years and years and you've never like probably tons of rappers. Yeah and like the rico thing just makes it such a big umbrella of like anyone fucking affiliated. So what's your cycle. Maybe he was the sixth of the crew like kind of like using herders as a shield for their criminal masterminding or other situation. Who's there's probably one was really with more than we. We'll give them credit for you to weigh stupid internet criminologists. Were trying to say that In the murder of is like merlo marlow was fake highland. He's here because she has to give me a ride because my car had a fucking screw tire smoke. We eat in the room with like. I just put be all right. Maybe the baby will get high income out. Maybe if you hit the blunt once the head on tv the the baby will be like. Ooh we'd get a black man. I'm going to be really upset that they were trying to say that it was The gun found at the crime of this. The scene of the crime that was fake news. It was fake news trying to register to win. I saw that was fake news. fake news. my jaw fucking dropped. I was like oh no. This is going to be the craziest thing that has ever hit. And then i realized it wasn't thank gosh pin on emerson and this summer's fake news in the game. I mentioned the politics game right now. Yeah speaking of the rap game in something very monumental that i'm gonna propose to you live on his podcast so you can't just throws me real the young. Oh gee there's been. Granted a trip to los angeles by his like granted by the state by state of michigan. Got a grant i mean. He is like he was not supposed to leave the flight michigan. I'm pretty young. Jean here man. We got us so he's gotta interview them out that's interview. I wanna do a whole day in the life of him really. Young is the only rapper. That i've listened to when i worked out in the last couple of months. But there's something about his shit where it's just intense. Yeah i also want to shut is where vessel. Because i think i'll never stopped sipping drank on my kids. That one of the funniest things. I've ever heard rapper. Say and lennon actually was like that's terrible. He had to be miss manners on me. Real quick if If linda heard like half of the lyrics that was produced by the by that whole flints. Music zine i asked my biz. Don't work mac but a beat her face in the same song this guy says if she gets pregnant i hope she falls down a million set of stairs. Now i lay me at all. He also said fuck my bitch. Broker phone took her treat. Fuck my bitch. Broker phone took her keys then burnt their tracks. Did i made her stuff. Two hundred pills whereas cervix at telling her this. I'm not telling. Linda i'm just quoting lyrics way too much of a risk if we were to cram some pills in there we need baby to come out and not off the pills right now. Whoever if there's anyone out there you went into labor right now if there's anyone who has any connection to like. Does anyone have any connection with witches or anyone who can like a baby salem witch trial i wanna make a deal with the devil to get this baby out tonight. Voodoo doll furling. Just push your stomach troll doll. Should we just do like a continuous stream where we just where we all stay at all like we all do a bunch of chance and we all sat around and has our belly like like you remember that in humor. That photo of trump all the iraqi leaders and they're all standing around that orb and they all have their hands on the orb. Remember this some somebody starts. Donald trump orb. I wanna do that year on his belly and we'll all stand with their hands on and off to be racist. I wanna chance racist about chanting him. Your remember this when trump never seen before liggett them do. They all agree. We love a good orb. This was early trump. I mean more early glowing glowing or what was that glowing or trump touched in saudi arabia. I think the new york times wrote that article. I can't read their articles. Because they have to pay. I want to add more orbs. You are so cheap. why don't you pay for. It is the best journalism pay for. la times. I always told me. I got to pay. And i'm like no cheap. Why don't you pay because numerous times way. Better than la. La times is not necessary. You don't need that no offensive him. Fuck new york. I would normally agree. I don't really like much about new york. But i'm speaking of new york speaking to new york. Another pop smoke posthumous release ta this time on a song with french montana featuring pop smoke. Both boys coke boys five coming soon. Wu the cowboys and the wolves collab- honestly. I have not enjoyed a french montana. Song came out to enjoy the french montana song and a longtime bigger given french montana. Enough credit. I'm in just like a my personal playlist. You like hit like yes but it was like it was a it was it was definitely a pops. Mcgregor with like a splash of like french. Montana auto tune on it and i loved it. It was a great song and it was like a weird like animated video also was scenes of them together. So i don't know how like i if this is from a previous thing of them hanging out i found out the french montana knows who i am. Because when i was interviewing mr swipe he hopped on the interview. Real quick and show me some love. I found that a lot of people. Watch this show and know who we are like behind the scenes that like who. jay z. No i mean besides ruby. Rose i'm gonna watch the clips of her an us talking about exactly dating to new about a dj letter spectrum thinking about funny this is the label hits us up and basically tells us to ask about g. She brings them up five minutes into the interview. She probably knew. You're like i was definitely gonna ask her about him. Sooner or later it would be kind of awkward. If me and her talk and didn't bring 'em cardi asked her if she thought that she would ever meet gilbert. She's like that's really what the baby's angelman no. I asked her if she would do song. Did you bring up. Did you bring up that story problem. I swear to god how come only with oh female artist you have to ask them. Messy question does awkward questions to other rappers as well. Did you bring up that story that you told us earlier in the group chat about what about rubio's absolutely not you should have brought that up. I was thinking about that. Like what year was this. I don't know all i know. Is that some rapper. Bro shoes underage. And i didn't find out that she was underage until way later. It's not like. I had anything to do with just sat on the couch. But i was kinda awkward when i realized i later. I'm like oh that's a weird position you put me in but very anybody knows like who gives a fuck but she was. Hang out like every other rapper on earth when she was underage which i kind of crazy honestly guys be out there. You know invest in military grade. I d scanning technology so you don't get burnt by the ruby rose of the world. You gotta have the one that they have the club with the black light that scanty to make sure that out though. What's going to think of you if you bust that she's going to think you're out of your fucking mind. I think all you need is the the blue light now. It has like really good fake. Id's i hear that scanned ended. The blue i heard house. Phone was drugs than he had a marker on him so he could draw on the hundred and see it in Like do you ever do that. To a fiend. That'd be pretty cool though that'd be like really next level of you. If you took it to that level. I never was that deepen i want to help you. Take your coke dealing to the next level fucking music career. I've i said fuck fuck music. Since the beginning of this year to be honest really why not fuck it but just like. I've been so focused on the shoe shit and like honestly making this show better. You need to phoenix flexing collab- just no last time. I saw him. I told him the story. About how like all my original twitter like right before they were going like really really crazy and it was a parent that they were about to be the new kings of l. a. I was say man like you know. I've known them for a while. Maybe i should reach out on my i like. I don't want to come off like fake. Because i'm now hitting them up now there are no them forever right so i was like fuck it. I'm gonna do it anyway. Like more managers. I do if you know them. Send the dm you swimming. I go to dm on twitter to send a message and the only thing i see he hit me up in twenty sixteen ameri told me i was like auto but were you one of jesus beans i definitely i definitely i mean on the other side of the aisle of that like i mean if the. Da decided that they wanted to hound g easier or geez if the da or the city of la decides that they want to charge with sound a little house phone coke. There's no surprise culled from cheesy. That's crazy from definitely. Got some coke right now. Oh jeez. I don't think he's probably had coconuts possession for a long time. Eazy has on him right now officer. I'm not. I'm not gonna try and do that so this is just crazy because like i got to root out otherwise people the game so i'll be the only one laugh. Listen be like damn. He's the only way. Donald trump is just crazy. Because anytime i ever see. Someone tried to. Discredit the authenticity of shoreline mafia. Am i you just simply not. They're like what are they like. What are they disproved. That they aren't like living there. Wraps works out here doing the things that they rap about. Rose i mean there's always gonna be people that are you know but i'm saying like oh cheesy. Had had had a beamer way before they were making any rat money. You know what. I realized the n. Bazi realizes when we're in mexico because of you and your ignorance and your fake relationship to the pentagon shoreline mafia show ever with fireworks. Did you do involving the pentagon someone he has inside the pentagon. This is what happened. We were about to go to mexico and it was like it was only last shows and it was like we did know that if we win we would have got stuck in mexico. I had to stay there all. You're you're keeping important crucial steps. We're we had an airbnb. You guys were scared to look airbnb booked. I had everything planned. It was going to be amazing cyprus. Cyprus was going to get us in and cyprus was so nice. That like you know when you ask for guesses for whatever they're gonna ignore you one thing or you to they say yes but they're never gonna follow up the day of the show. They're not going to be like yo you need at this by cyprus. Fucking above he responded. He followed up. He did everything and we still didn't go. Because this full text us right before we are gonna leave my my connect at the pentagon said that trump is going to close the border so we shouldn't go wait. Let me read the exact text from shot to his name fucking father father the rapids near you made me miss. The text takes says i was posting like damn sure mexico or not for the show he says a. Don't deborah been hearing a lot of top of the quarantine going into effect soon from people's who fam- work at the pentagon ncdc. But would he have been wrong. Because that's what i'm saying. It seems like it might actually be true at that time. What if we got stuck in mexico was roy. Mafia would have been kind of look or we could have got extorted by the cartel is associated with are a mafia like they probably should have at least one the. That's the one area. I will not do to joke about is any type of cartel play shoreline cartel connected with high have good solid information that is a quote unquote terror. Chrissy narkotiki has written his name and more into dj vlad like every day. Yeah you look like. I'm more and more every day to your idol in life right like who you wish to share. What he's what he's built. You say you appreciate how. He's built mega pause. Want him to do the little sticky sticky in the budi question. Next time i get a finger on my rapper should be on the other end of. It should be dj blatch boy. what What move media personality should be what media personality. What i most want to finger my but probably not. This is what type of topics we get. This is a list of what we're leaving. No that was it. I just looked at our thing. I said y'all what do you wanna talk about. You said bridgeable on little pimp pimp. Yeah that's hours. I feel like there's so much shit has been going on but it's like is any of it really worth talking about like it was more important. The election is sucking up so much of my time and attention. Also leonard the plugs pregnancy. So having sucked up in a while you a lot of people like something crazy about babies and stuff so when i was in korea like maybe three years ago My cousin just had a baby. And we're at this restaurant and like this older woman from another table just like came up to our table and like picked up the maybe and was like moments yes allies for touch the baby number like. I don't know if i would think that in korean into that would be a weird thing. And like i was there at my mom. Like what the fuck is this woman doing. We're all just like regular like nothing's happening. I think my my cousin was pretty annoyingly. Fucking touch. i think. I don't know it was just so crazy to me in the moment. Can you really call their personalities. What did they like. Throw your baby or something where they freak out a baby like we already saw that lady. Throw the dog baby. Like your extra fucked up. They're so delicate. Dude what if that's the next viral video. Someone throwing a baby instead of kosovo my question one way devil. I'm a duties hell afoul dig hanging out in public. I'm not. I'm not giving that sound out to the people that just no one of the craziest drako lyrics almost tempted to ninety mention him. But there's a certain Fashion instagram account user who. He messaged me apologizing for exposing our. Dm's and i went back to look for it a few days after because i didn't respond any time and his account was was gone even twitter as well. Oh they got outta here. His flame burned bright for a bit. But if i don't know why you're trying to sign to a three sixty deal dude at the white man always down why man i was trying to appropriate our culture much loved too much respect because i do think he's talented talented at what makes instagram. But either way house phone. I think was like very Did me a favor warning me about that. Even though 'cause like i'm not gonna hold it against them or anything i like. His whole thing was just like It was like a car accident. It was like you couldn't look away. How is it that though he was just doing like real is phenomenal too much like drip spray shin stuff like this person copy. This person and those splash of red. Oh my god they caused they both use the same color he was just like it got to the point where he was just like making of random shit and just like trying to like act. People were stealing from each other. We are he was causing too much friction within the world. I mean shaking it up a little bit room really was just a little late because that's shit would have been really cracking like twenty fourteen or talking about eating connor and asked pizza all the time And now there's a new wave of that that's what he was trying to sort of harness he was he was just doing. We're sure where he would like. He was kind of like building up in like you know on kind of giving these brands. Low hand jobs if i was like would also like the next day or some shit like you know. It was just kind of weird shirt. Is there a new fan account that we could be that we can stand. I haven't see like honestly that was the situation for me. Where just realized where. Like if you giusti's motherfuckers up too much like they'll just they'll take it to the head and they just think that i started. He started acting so like he was super pop and like once. He got over ten k. Like he was just like that sucks. Because i love supporting people and helping like but then handle it fast. You think we're gonna feel that way about you dig. If he moves out here. I was just about to ask. What if he turns into a trust. You dig. And i don't think i think you're gonna turn weird as placing him from buck in japan. Ruland in the move from telling him to move because he ate what he wants to move here. Super bad and i mean from my perspective. I feel like he would be pretty valuable. You drill you. Don't have romera five hundred a month. You digs living at years as you and him would look way too similar standing next to each other. Wouldn't that be nice. Honestly drip yeary up. 'cause jury has zero dribbling you dig as a lot of drip does he. He's gonna hurt he he. He's cardi community. Call payment to the. I'll be i'll be seeing his gypsum time. He'd be having like a little elites on. What if you dig pulls up. And he's like from the boys and he just calling everybody cont all the time might. Yeah talk veggie. My i don't know that haussmann created him. He should get ten percent. You think the u invented you dig you dig on this platform just know. He was trying to pitch ideas to me. And i was like dude. Take that to ataman them. Like crazy to no part of delegating. That like y'all you guys worked out. Hello yaseen is becoming like the conservative commentator. Jonesboro alex jones. He's more like you can rely on him. Four matchup macho perspective like. He's the only person misogynist. Let's say okay. Sure he's the only person that i've seen. That was sort of like shamelessly pro-tory lanes and i think that you need somebody who's willing to sort of like represented view of the people. And i thought that he he did a great job of it. I don't know that it was necessarily right. But i i think that the community people why because there are some people that really do believe next time that other narrative next time you see a mega post or a twitter post academics or worldstar or youtube. Whatever go read the comments. I don't think that being on tori side is like that much of a minority view. I think that as much shit as he's taken in obviously there's been a huge blow to his career. These not the most fringe viewpoint to be sort of a sympathetic to torey in this whole thing and i guess somebody's gotta represent the view right. It's interesting but also keep in mind that those people that are like pro. Tory are the ones that are going to be annoying and in the comments being especially in academics comic fucking like woke black girls or an academics comments. Thanks there on impressive. Not maybe like shane impressive. I don't read those comments sections. You're right but also i feel like there's probably some woke by women in academic his comments trying to get g wagon with that. You really think they bought it for. I had no idea what you're even talking about. You think i pay attention to academics in selena. No but selena posted saying adam is that g wagon. And i'm like i texted you are capping. Fucking bullshit lying. She fucking adamantly us just can't trust she's like oh now he did me she. The next day denies that he bought it for because people were making fun of him and she was so mad about him doing that. Yeah what does she think he was gonna told me then that he told her like to to say that he bought it as a troll but then he like immediately like went on twitter was like no. I did not actually matter. That is kind of what. I thought mike. Doing that would be insane like. I've never really known him to claim her like that. Why would he she just funny because she does that all the time about leadership. I was like asking her like she. She was telling me that they wrote their song. I was like really like whenever she was like so adamant about it. At the end of the night you think we really like so. Obviously whoever wrote it knew what they were doing. Yeah know for sure but it's just like on the people that are funny because it's like she was so adamant about it that i believe her for like five seconds and then but i. I'm the same way too. I have my little cousin's baby. And i told my exit. It was my baby and she like dot hours like joking and then i just was very adamant about it until she believed me. I remember you hitting me up china and be like okay. I borrow two thousand dollars. I'm trying to bite his girl. A bag. And i was like no. No you're like damn. I thought that i was gonna say something funny that i like. You'd be able to screenshot. i was like fuck. You wasn't like funny. I was just like he was serious. I definitely thought you were serious. You probably wouldn't be able to me that with that anymore. I mean i'm trying to think what's more wild. I ask you floors from support of iphone. Ten grand for my shoe brand. I'll pay you back. You should do that. I'd be like early. Investor needs to be able to caesar's on some mob shit. I need to be a little kill you. If you don't pay it back to me or something that'd be in the contract. I can murder you go ahead. I don't want this to be like this pranav because sopranos like when you borrow money from one of the gangsters and then you don't pay a back. Then they start charging you crazy interest rates and then they your house they fucking beat your head in with a hammer house one. I don't wanna have to do that to you. So i mean i got. I'm not the model. That's a good point. yeah. I probably wouldn't handle this way if you wanna do that. If you wanna be a loan shark you need to willing to beat the fuck out of the people that don't pay you to kill them and i'm not willing to. I would love to live the rest of my life. Murder free tame you wouldn't you wouldn't catch like a like a self defense body and be around that would be. That would be bad among a lot. But i would like to avoid. I feel bad about it after. Have you ever. Have you ever really beats him up if fight felt weird about like. I didn't mean to do that to the affected this one kid so bad. One time that. I like felt bad. I just i i knew he went to the hospital and stuff and i just kinda felt dirty about it. Killing broke his nose. Joking that once but this guy was like he used to believe. I mean he was trying to fight me all the time. Yeah right and like the only time i fought him was because he press me in front of these girls that i knew. We're going to talk about it. And i tell everyone. Yeah you're right. I just think i'm old and weathered enough at this point that realistically i could probably get to self defense body one really like stress. It too much Now been fine. I especially you. You'd probably kill people like oh know your enemies like if someone was trying to do something to you and you kill them. You probably wouldn't about if someone tried to do something till like my family. Then you feel bad asking. He would deadly. Catch your body for that computer. Blasi told me that he had a dream that he was dragged. were using. You know the shoreline drag racing with ho. He fell off a cliff like in the car landed in the ocean the laptop in the car in the ocean and he was like whoa. Oh no but he was trying to figure out when to save and he was like fucking. I'm get the laptop and swam got the laptop and then that was it. Hove was the first person that made me realize that you could just have a barbara pull up on you with whatever you're doing and just cut your hair wherever you're at and he's bought isn't he. Yeah but he was like fuck in barbara. Pull up to him while he's just in the studio fucking with mad paxton shit smoking blunts and then he just sits there and boom. They shaved his head. Trim is all geared up. Now that's what i do. Yeah i didn't even know that you can just do that for sure. A barber shop or something. I hate that. I hate being in public. I hate being around much people. I think you're fucking rubbing your foot down on something down here or is it right there. Okay anyway you have to smack dab goons. you're like i can't be public nail salon anymore. No more nail salon de nelson sunray. Now's the time honestly probably kinda fell out getting my nails done. But i had my other times but no i just i don't wanna go out and a nail salon. So so bad for them. Yeah they probably like what the fuck is going on. They probably all started listening. Interrupts cds and merchants. Should i place. 'cause you're gone. Those ladies had never seen a fate in four hours not blue which is kind of crazy. 'cause they're on moros they've definitely see a fade outside their store outside doubt it would have happened inside. Probably some fucking like bitches like like arguing over like every time i ever been in a nail salon. It's a bunch of women on their phones. Not even speaking to each other but you must have never been to like that says a lot. Yeah i've never been to. One in compton surprised at my african american. I get too high. We've two hours. These people are going to many people. Were watching threes. Just been looking at this picture for the last hour or go. Google trump orb kenneth. Can we read a little bit of the chat. go just a little bit. Put chad size. Dick shakes free. Bill cosby through my baby. God knows swag listen. Do you like these. Two thousand and three supreme nike bees. Okay hey we're going to be listening to your music afterwards. So make sure. It's chopstick is chapstick season. My lips are dry fucking devils. Dick hashtag adam secret life though. He won't admit it. Pass surg house. Phone wanna get penetrated by my doctor gang. Shit we out.

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Evil Proud Boy Racist Video Platform Review

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Evil Proud Boy Racist Video Platform Review

"Come to the Cave of times I'll give you. The Cave of time podcast and live stream always. In there we go. There's a nice. Prison, night pumpkin. Time. and May I just say Special Buck Youtube. Had to get off my chest my. Mike, can you see the pump onscreen right now then about showing their? Yes, an excellent bump I gotta say. I only have a forty five minutes the car of this. Can you tell what it is? What it is. I don't know of the viewers can what it is but I I, I, I know that gentleman. and. Isn't someone you respect what you think of this woman. Well. Pretty neutral opinion of him to be honest. Just. Tell them. What is I mean? It Saint George Saint. Saint Your it's. Yours Floyd Floyd we got we got a Pumpkin of George Floyd I carved myself onstream right now if you put that outside your house, like are people get to trick or treat and see that Bumpkin I should do that I assume a lot of you know what it's. It's good enough that I think a lot of people would know I think a lot of people would know. Especially from that angle angles not that bad. So. Hello to D-. Live I. Don't know if we have anybody even watching right now I'm not expecting too many people it'd be popping in the Stream. It's our first stream on D. Live. If you've been listening to podcasts though you will know the trials and tribulations we had our most popular episode getting banned off Youtube. Recently. Suspended from twitter were forced to remove a tweet about our most popular episode that was. One enough. They forced us to remove the tweets. About the bit with a bit shoot linked to the bits you channel, they didn't force us to remove the link to the Youtube Post Rather. Yeah. The Youtube Video. And it was pretty much the exact same post. The video doesn't exist anymore. So yeah and we also forced we were forced to reduce. We're forced to remove our twitter banner as well. Our twitter banner. which was a picture enough of. The iconic image of. Derek show van kneeling on the neck of George Lloyd except we edited. So that George Floyd was the cave of time and Derek Show van kneeling on our neck was twitter there was a twitter bird. And they said that that was was not kosher. So we had to read remove that. So we are. We are back on back on twitter. But Yeah we've moved alive. How you feel Mike. Pretty good. This is going to be good episode. Of. Good content today today, we're going over CENSOR DOT TV. which interestingly enough you're not allowed to say on the Internet. It's it's pretty unbelievable pumpkin out of the way I I didn't know this. So, in the research I guess you'd say you know I, mean and Jason were messaging each other and we found that if you type in sensor DOT TV in your private messages. They they're blocked. You can't send them on. Them you cannot talk. On instagram and facebook. It's It's really interesting. They've censored. They've censored a website called Sensor Dot TV. They've they've made it a kind of self fulfilling prophecy. It's it's it's incredible. It's these people are incredible all and yes. So we're going to go through everything on that on that website I have looked at every single show on there and a lot of stuff to go through today Jason Did you Did you have anything to open before we get started? Yes. So if you don't know censor dot TV, you started by Gavin Mackenzie see the founder vice the. Founder of the pros he's you probably know Gavin Kennedy says if you know who we are But yeah I mean he's he got famously kicked off you what two years ago. Banned from Youtube banned from from live back from twitter, his twitter account. Yeah. and. So he started his own network it's ten dollars a month. ponied up iphone eight up. Eighty dollars there is a discount I got It was a I U. the atheism out stoppable discount and I- ponied up eighty dollars for the year I figured if I'm going to get a twenty percent discount. I might as well was the year was your woulda get. anyways, it was. I spent eighty US dollars for the whole. For the whole year, I figured it was better to get the discount on a big piece of money than than just a month and I guess it's kind of a risk. It is kind of a risk like I had. No idea was going to be on there. And Yeah. Let's let's go through it like I would say real quick. We we had an awkward moment there because I had muted my mic was moving the Pumpkin offscreen didn't mute. So there was an awkward moment where you are asking me things in the audience heard nothing but I'm back now go on. Yeah. Yeah So. I mean, let's let's just start that in like Luma lower read. Did you watch him read? Luma read I. Think it's loom word lumbered yet. I, have it in my notes that I thought it was luma read and then it just. Like wait a minute it's loom erred it's not Luma at I'm an idiot. Yeah it's it's. It's a verb rates she lures people. She. Lured what did you watch? Did you watch that show? I watched a little bit I mean I've already been very familiar with bloomer, very familiar with her type of content will be. Familiar with bloomer or her or content. So I mean I was watching it. I find kind of boring to be honest I saw a talk with faith Goldie. bloomer she she who is she? I guess under troubling your first big splash was the. Shakespeare. In Central Park Julius Caesar Performance where they had Julius Caesar depicted as Donald Trump and they stormed the stage during believe the murderer of Julius Caesar, which was Donald Trump and. It was with Jackie Sobek I think no Jack. Pacific or Jacob Wall I can't remember and. Yeah. There was a huge kerfuffle about that and she's kind of all about using A. Quote the left's tactic tactics against the left. So he should call them racists, anti-semites show do big protests like she was she protested outside twitter. She's currently. Senate senatorial candidate in. Remember which state but a Senate candidate in the US. She's I read that she was ranked Congress. I'm not familiar with her Her show seems kind of boring to me personally but you know she definitely has a fan base. So if you're if you're interested in more. Luma. doesn't seem to be too active recently a stall. That's kind of a problem with a lot of these shows they're not they're not active. Yeah I got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine what do you mean not active I mean there there there's new videos almost every day right There is there are new videos every day, but not all the shows put out new content. Like. like some of them haven't had episodes in a year. Okay. In over a year. Yes. So Yet Luma read not much to say fixed. You know Joe Pigs have you heard of this Guy Yeah I knew Joe big. Bar. The Info wars crew before Yeah. If a war is. Correspondent I. Guess. So the other the other night you got, you weren't telling me like Jason could you could you watch Joe Bigs for this sensor, dot TV review because I can't stand to watch it I can't I just can't bring myself to watch videos. So I had some. I had some on and yeah, I I don't like watching it either I is. It feels like this guy is coming in my mouth like, Wow, I'm listening to him. He is just jerking off. Onstream. You reminds me at like I. Work in construction brought up a number of times before and he reminds me of some of the The really well, put together guys who are giving the safety meetings at various sites and like these are guys who like perfectly trim, beers. But they still look really manly and everything. But you can tell that there are also many manicured and they've got all the. Hobby horses, they they ride them. So well, they're talking about the Harley, Davidsons they're talking about. Fishing the size of my motor. And Joe Biggs will include fuck. Communists in all that stick. and. That's that's basically what like in the entire thing is like. Is just kind of. Like. Just stroking his kind of own ego and trying to be a leader on stream and I really don't like it because I don't feel like he is a leader to me. I will I will say I will say this though he does have I noticed he had some interesting guess. So he had dementia Sousa and had I saw Vance from the red elephants who I think are both interesting people to have on I have in my notes he's kind of like an overly optimistic cheerleader for the right wing and I think there's an appeal to of like working class people Like not not that I don't I, I can totally understand how. I can I can understand how a lot of people seem a cool guy like it's. He's covering a lot of things. It's not. It's not for me but I. Think I think again just like Laura Luma like I think he has an audience I. Think a lot of people would like it and that's kind of thing something that I thought overall There's kind of content for a lot of different people on here, which is interesting. Right like. some of the stuff that they have is kind of for intellectuals but some of it is not it's for just everyday people who wanna hear it way way way way which would show is for intellectuals. All the the what's it called the free speech debates very, very good. Very, very good. Yeah. I don't know if I saw Yeah. Yeah. Yes, there's a show called free speech it man this this would if they had more content, this would be V show to have. So like you're talking about Milo Yiannopoulos sitting down with Cornell West Kansas Owens also cornel west they had Michael Shurmur and diminished Sousa sit down and talk and the whole thing is like speeches band. So we have to go to speak easy and Gavin is the bartender and it's just he's serves people drinks and they have a conversation and one is from the left one is from the right the every single episode I like that I really enjoy. How how often do how often does that show release episodes because I didn't see that I only browse the most recent ones. They have not had a show on in a while imagine a lot of from scheduling because of Covid but like if that show is on one a month that or two a month. I think it would be worth the eighty dollars for the year just for that show just for that one show it's an excellent. You know like you you go spend eighty dollars. On on like a night out to the movies with your family these days right. You Use Finnair dollars having dinner easily dinner and drinks and you know if you were to get just that like two hours of that. A? month. I think that would be worth eighty bucks you know. It's it's an excellent show. My only complaint isn't there isn't more of it that it's a it's probably the best show on a would be the best show on there if there was more content. Yeah you should definitely check that out. I. Think he would like it. It sounds pretty cool. Yeah. I mean for the most part I just saying, Oh, we started going go list. No no go go go ahead because I was going to make a general statement honestly like I found it pretty pretty. Bad Luck I wouldn't I wouldn't say like don't subscribe to Censor Dot TV. It I didn't really have much expectations going into that was interested to see what was going to be like but. I. Found Myself. So we had wires crossed on this episode like I like we're going to do Ted Kaczynski the unabomber for this for the Halloween episode and we're going have other podcasters gasser. We will be guests on their podcast. But Man fucking guests sometimes in any case I thought we were still doing unabomber so. When I found out we're doing censor DOT TV review. Sto- I found myself rather than tuning in to enter DOT TV I'm like man I really prefer to just listen to like. The Unabomber's on audio books. You know. and. It's kind of funny the contrast This censored dot TV the whole thing is like where to bowl do brazen to politically incorrect the say anything and then eclipsed. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah well. Next month I can see I'm halfway through the book. We'll get neck smile on my goodness. Milo. Sorry. We've got a bit of a delay but Yeah it. Let's. Go on let's save it for next week. Let's say for next week. The I Milo Yannopoulos is also a big guy on there. I don't know if he's invested in censored dot TV with Gavin but it looks like they started it together either in a lot of material together and he's he's there lot. do this show Milo and I it's him. Data mcinnis it has its it hasn't been on any year and when it was on, it was only one or two a month It's just like more of the same kind of boring to be honest I normally like a lot of Milo content I normally like Gavin Mackenzie content but I, I, just feel like there's only so much you can. You can watch those kind of people like I don't really WanNa tune into them every day for the new is you know like so That shows. Okay. The CRTV archives is just like all Gavin McGinnis his old stuff that's up. CENSOR DOT TV presents this is like Gavin on the streets. He's like interviewing people I saw recent episode he was interviewing the walk away. From the left kind of parade or whatever It's Kinda like it's Kinda like a, who's that guy? WHO's that fat guy with the spoon? Who goes around on Youtube and so many people have this Kinda show where they just go around and they talk to people take that guy with A. SOCK debut. It's his name's Austin he's. I can't remember his name, but this is like like you've seen the show before it's a right wing guy and he's like interview people like Hey are left when people idiots and everyone's like gather idiots dislike rip on left wing people. It's it's okay like it's not it's not. It's not great. It's not bad. You see the show. Premiered I think this week the Lotus show. I couldn't get it to work I. couldn't get wouldn't work tried ten different ways I try with a VPN, it wouldn't work. Yeah. Why I watched just earlier today I watched the first half of it and. I really initially was disliking it because it's this kind of. Girl. Intellectually intellectual mildly good-looking girl who's like I'm into right wing politics two and you can you know it so many guys are finding over this girl and that's half of the appeal and so I was like I really don't want to hear your opinions to be honest but. It's actually. Pretty well, produced show now I mean not not like high production value, but there's a there's an artsy quality quality to it, which is lacking in any other show on on the on the platform Yeah, it's got a different kind of entertainment value She's she's talking about right wing talking points and everything but. Like the first episode starts off and she's bound. By, the hands and she starts talking about all these like like I said right wing talking points and then later in the show she out and then she's in. The back of the car, a car getting kidnapped while still talking about like right wing talking points. So they've got all this kind of surreal. Almost I wouldn't say David Lynch ask but in that direction. Like artistic level to it which I appreciated. Yeah I don't I. Don't know how I don't I didn't get to see the show. So I'll check it out I can't get it to work though I. Well, I don't know why won't play computer. That's interesting. One of the things that I was going to say about it so First of all, it's cool that through your APP through your account I was I was asked accessing the an APP on my phone though some degree you can share this with other people. And the. The APP was. Very, well, done actually, the user interface was very intuitive it was much more responsive, much more reliable, much more easy to use than even something like shoot is currently very, very professionally done very little hiccups. There's a couple of minor things I would complain about, but they're so minor and few and far between that I won't even mentioned the. OPPOSITE EXPERIENCE DESKTOP Website. It's Buggy L. it doesn't automatically log me in. So I have to like I'll go to click on a video and then it's like you're not logged in it. Back to the homepage again, and then I have to go find the video again, I'll play videos and they won't they won't play off to refresh to get them to play. This. Exact opposites might of my experience with the active used the APP at all. I haven't tried the post whatever I'll let because we're not. We're like not supposed to share an account like. Do that well, it was like well if. If Jason uses the APP and Canada and I use the website like maybe they'll just think I'm using EPA. They won't be able to catch on. The APP is great because you can. You can download just the audio of any show that you want and you can play it yet. You just play it like a podcast. That's that's wicked. I'm telling you it's a sweet APP. It's a sweet APP. I was really surprised by how good it was actually. Wow that is a big plus actually at that would that would honestly. Like I was kind of on the fence about recommending this I think that seals the deal to be honest like having an app where you can just download it and you don't have to like you know how you have to leave you to open and hit the. Hit Your screen offers. No it's not like that at all. It's not at all. Yeah. Like I'll walk on my house and the Internet will switch from like. To my my data and Youtube freezes all the time and fucks up like I. I just wish I download audio how much money did it work in two months? So like normally it's ten dollars a month. But if you like every single creator on Youtube, we'll give you twenty five percents percent discount if you use the code. So the one that I use. Atheism stoppable. I. Got The I got the whole thing for eighty bucks us for the year. Yeah. That's not bad. That's not it's not that bad like. Everyone has a lot of like I have net flakes and I know people, Netflix's Disney plus Hulu like. It's getting expensive man having media is more expensive than it used to be just to have cable now and you like I mean you get a lot more but there's only so much media you can digest. In in in your day, right. So like you you have to pick and choose what what you're going to pay for, right? Yeah. You really need to like some of these like you would really need to be like Gavin McInnes fan or like fan of like a really solid fan of any of these guys for me to recommend it. I mean when it's free when I'm accessing accessing it through your accounts, I, like it. I like that it's there. Maybe once every couple of weeks. All WanNa Watch something but as far as using it daily even weekly. honestly for me like I I enjoy watching G