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Who was Einsteins first wife? Debate heats up over Mileva's role in Alberts science (Part 1 of 2)

Science Friction

27:02 min | 1 year ago

Who was Einsteins first wife? Debate heats up over Mileva's role in Alberts science (Part 1 of 2)

"This is an ABC podcast. This is friction culture and science with extra spas welcomes. The Tesha Mitchell here this week with a controversy that just will not be put to bed distinguish language of fan form language after we are the negativity, and I am can you guess who this is. How is it that find language international? I think of wild wiry watt hair and doc penetrating is he's arguably one of the greatest original thinkers of all time and certainly in science. Four if a out. And clarity of concepts. After I got them Mutuel relation and debt. Correspondent to censor with eat. It's Dan Stein. Yes. And this week the first ever photo of a black hole gave us yet further evidence. He was right. He predicted the behavior of black holes and their immense gravitational pull through his general theory of relativity, which visualized gravity is warping of the fabric of the universe or space time around objects, but heavy heard of a woman called Malaysia Malaysia marriage on Stein to Baber size. She was he's first wife and a promising scientist in the making in her own right when they met and fell in love. Now this being a vocal malivert fan club in recent years. It says she was fundamental to Albert's early scientific success. Even a key collaborator on his theories. And that. Her legacy was hidden. Well, a brand new investigation strongly contests this climb and over the next to episodes. I'm gonna drilling to that evidence. To let you decide buckle up. maters just to know the truth. I can Stein is portrayed as degrade hero of science and entertain is seen as a God. And you don't touch the man for some people is just like attacking the Cohen that the bible, you don't touch things. We try not to make up stories, and this story appears to be largely a hopeful story people hoped. It was true they wished it was true. But it doesn't seem to be true. She helped in a great measure that I'm fine became what he became. I have serious doubts that he would have got where he is. If he did not have her supporters. He needed someone to discuss them. He needed someone to calculate them, compare them. So she left us a genius. That's her gift to the world. It's important that the truth be told when stories are based on very unreliable evidence. When you start to examine the sources the stories just don't hold out. And those stories that Malaya's mathematical abilities rivaled on stones that she co-authored on stones early research that they worked late into the not to give blazing trial for quantum physics. Malivert, and what's relationship really on the time to be understood at all in the nineteen ninety s when early litters between them were found in a family Bank in California, very little material evidence remained, then and physicist. Dr polling Gagnon believes they could be a reason for that to people where really adamant that this story would not come out about these were Helen Ducasse, the personal secretary of Albert Einstein and these fan two Netam both of them became they were the executors of his estate, and these people were adamant that disturbed will not come. Pulling is a particle physicist. Now retied in Jimmy she spent much of her career investigating doc meta at the European laboratory of particle physics soon and at Indiana University. She's taken up Malaya's Kohl's and explains that even Elba full story was withheld for loan time. The first biographies came out more than twenty years after the death of Albert Einstein. The reason was that what not end, for example, would not allow anything in writing on less. He would be right himself. The everything that was in the possession of Albert Einstein was cleaned up. It has to do with the fact that auto Neten after the death of mill of marriage and Stein in one thousand nine hundred forty eight or two net and came to Surrey to her apartment to search department and probably took everything that he could find of scientific merit. So. These people made every effort to clean up what was there and to erase any trace of miliver market Stein? Now, whether that's the case, oh, not reminds I've into conjecture, but it's indisputable that Malaysia was a mystery very few people had heard Malaysia Einstein. She was known to be his first wife. She was the mother of his sons, but typically no one paid much attention to the wife and not much was known about her professor Ruth Lewin Sime in Sacramento who tried as a chemist and is a noted historian of science, especially of women in science. She wrote a biography of Lisa Montana, a famous German physicist of Malaysia and Oba generation in the nineteen eighties. Some of the love letters between Einstein and Malaysia where published by the people who publish the Einstein papers. So lucky to found Krisha who is my equal. You're so sweet will how kiss August nineteen hundred without you at lack self confidence shin for work and enjoyment in without you. My life is no nine thousand nine hundred sweetheart adjust received your second very measurably also came forward to working on our new papers proud, I will be to have a little PHD for sweet lie remain, Odin ary person. I feel alone with everyone else except. All of a sudden, it turned out that Millais was really very interesting person that she was trained as a scientist that she and Einstein had a passionate relationship that even had a daughter before they were married. No one knows what happened to this child. And so people became very interested in Malaysia. So people started to DU and to read between the lines of Elbert Malaya's early love letters to each other fifty four of which had survived mostly from L, but sadly, very few remind from alive, and in those letters they were many references to work that was unsigned described as our work and work. We're doing together prior to those letters virtually nothing was known about relationship between labor ninety nine not during this juniors. Those no knowledge of the relationship that developed between them family started together. The letters don't reveal anything. About millennials contribution Ellen ESTES. In is. Todd physics lecturer in London and his cO through a new book just out through MIT press. Contesting climbs about Malaya's scientific legacy and readings worldwide really revealing is the degree that the young Stein investigate and on his own someone furthest reaches a physics of that time, and he certainly read books with me on this. There's no information about how much I have made any contribution. So anything in those times is share guess what you could describe this story as a nearly twenty year obsession for Ellen which he's poured into his new book on stan's wok, the real story of Malaysia on marriage co authored with American historian of science, David Cassidy and Ruth Lou. And saw I'm contributes chapter two on women in science. What happened was that kind of myth grew that Malaysia had in fact, contributed substantially? Weinstein's work in particular, his very famous for papers in nineteen o five his miracle year, and that she was unrecognised for the work that she had done about this is where the controversy laws rot, and I'll come back to the latest but ninety nine hundred five really was ice stupendous year. Ovitz NS miraculous has some coal it. That was the that. Then twenty six year old heightened clock introduced the world to and white for it. They warriors. The corner theory of lush, that's the understanding that lied exist in discrete packets or Quanta of energy on a heuristic viewpoint serving the production and transformation of light in March that year came he's evidence for the existence of atoms. The motion of small particles spended in a stationary liquid. Wyatt by the molecular kinetic theory of he in may on Stein's special theory of relativity landed on the alert. And in September nine hundred five that finest formula a in say squared does the nurse of body. Depend on energy. Yes. It was an almighty year old rush with full pipers that pretty much changed now understanding of the physical world and the course of history to top it off Elba was awarded. He's that year too. But we kind of getting ahead of ourselves because this is in fact, non years into Elbert and Malaya's relationship in two years into their marriage. So let's head back a bit earlier. Rob Miller Millan TV. The call me rather for short easier. Redman made a series of stunning climbs about Malaysia and Elbert in her twenty fifteen book malivert Marijan Stein live with Elbit on Stein. She's a professor emeritus in history in New York. And as a former minister in the Serbian government, she's committed to celebrating soobee and he street and daintily I was worn on October twenty seven nineteen thirty one. I'm eighty seven years old now so. So read Mila was seventeen when Malaysia died in nineteen forty eight and like Malaysia she was born and raised in Serbia where today read military's me Malaysia is celebrated as a kind of folk hero with monuments and straits bearing her name, but I was not very happy there. I was a student when the communists came to power. The situation was not that pleasant. There was not enough freedom. So I was looking for way to get out. Lac red Mila Malaysia got out of Serbia to when her father moved for his job in eighty ninety two with his encouragement she enrolled at a boys hostel in Croatia as a private student. So she could study Mets physics such was her enthusiasm. I mean that was a mighty courageous act for a young woman than you can imagine eventually it was off to university. And again, the options for girls than was some limited in those days. Switzerland was the unlike German speaking country accepting women at the university level, so Malaysia moved to Zurich to enroll at the Swiss federal polytechnic in eighteen ninety six then only the fifth woman in its forty history to be admitted into Metson physics classes, according to Milla. She came from a highly traditional Serbian family, but she was lucky that she had to falter who was understanding. He saw her a smart interested in in science. So he supported her is she clearly had deepen motivations and Esperanza didn't she she was the only woman enrolled in a class of five at the Swiss polytechnic, which is wishy met L dance done in idee ninety see when that would have been all Sharyo unusual recipient woman at the time. Oh, not only very unusual. Sort of serene people is nations as people were looked down upon by the higher nations in in Europe. Like, the Germans is somehow Lor class of people, but she was exceptional highly intelligent and ton -ted, they met when both enrolled on the same course, it was actually caused teaching physics mathematics in secondary school. High-powered course, certainly equipment. A degree course. Einstein was only seventeen and at twenty one Malaysia was will the older woman, which L but smother would light a rally against with ride? She famously hide it in the live by the end of eighteen ninety eight it was clear that they were getting involved with each other calling each in, Johnny. Yeah. In lettuce. Yeah. Nineteen hundred ninety job is unlikely so his so far away that I can't give you a little. I'm writing this letter to ask you if you like me as much as I Don to me immediately thousand kitties from your Dolly, August, nineteen hundred deal little when I feel as if I'm not home when I sit to war and looking forward to going home amusing myself studying studying concert, still in concentrating joyous sweetheart with ten two cases from your Alba. God how beautiful the wilder look when I'm you a little one you say, they'll be no happier. Women in the world in which case. The man was also be happy. Farewell. My sweet little treasure ten cues from your. Physicist? Dr polling Gannon argues Elbert malivert were matching heart and mind and science it's clear that was a very organized person. That's the way classmates have described and I it was more like, you're happy. Go lucky type for him yin. And all that. And he was not so organized so together, the they had this incredible team work, they completed each other carefully. They had dispassionate for physics discount passion for physics from using. And for each other. And this allowed them to create something unusual, and it's really out of this collaboration that it came out. Many people have mentioned that the productivity of got Inge dying decline after his divorce from the military, and that's true. Elbert malivert Bose did. Well, the Swiss federal polytechnic, but at the time the odds will possibly stacked against her only four women every ten years accepted a woman and to make things worse for her not one of them ever. Graduated in physics. Some mill ever was going to be the first one and she failed so many past the entrance exam and eighth year. She also strict exempt be passed every year, she passed all the time. But she she did not receive a degree. Things seem to unravel foam alive in her oral exam. They final she filed it along with a math subject called theory of functions. And when she went back to try again the following year in non in hundred and one to hurt a stress she found she was pregnant, and she may not have been feeling well, physically she may have been devastated psychologically that this had happened to her plans, and maybe that contributed to her not doing as well on on the exams. We don't know and on Stein didn't want to marry a pregnant Malaysia until he had a job and a job wasn't immediately. Forthcoming Elbit one reason possibly antisemitism enough that the opinionated Elbert Cape getting on the wrong side of he's professes. So it seems Malaya's career in science appeared to be over before it had begun. She didn't have a degree. So she could not work as a. As a physicist later on or was her career in science. I've d- she instead become Ellwood on Stein's collaborator behind the scenes after all she had the same training. Just not the qualification and these spent all their time discussing and writing and studying together, so that's well documented and their lots of testimonies from their school fans at the time at just into that. It's clear that Malaysia had to give up any desire of a career. Oh pursuit of science. Once I'm married in nineteen hundred three she wrote to Habil friend lane. We have a nozzle hassle which I'm taking care of quite alone. I'm often quite angry at the boring office that takes away so much of its time. So frustrations were brewing. You can imagine. What that must have been like for her who had aspirants to do a doctorate in physics mine. Pression from the wrote including that one that you wrote friend heaven was that cheat settle down to my. Life with children she actually given off on a career. Well, before that when she felt her diplomas onto the second time, and we drew her attempt to doctoral thesis, she had in fact being offered by the head physics professor in July nineteen hundred physicians assistant to him, but fairly examined she couldn't do it. But according to a friend Millais said, she didn't want to take out. The system Chapman preferred to pry for job as a librarian. So the truth is we do not know exactly what are Ben was. We just don't know you have to stand that in the case of marriage. The stuff is difficult because we don't have lots of hot foods. We only have the stimulus some accounts by people have known them. But many people have thought about seeing them their son Hans had remember seeing his parents discussing physics late at night at the dining room table. But it was just a tiny little boy in one thousand nine hundred five it was four years old. So little what would hey, no about what they were discussing not or we saw is parents working together. And he talked about that that went on until nineteen fourteen was ten years when the they separated as an historian. How did you approach the challenge of pacing to give her voice in a way that is there a fiber because Malaysia makes little mention if ever of her contributions to the were convicts in any of the reminding litters she doesn't same Helen her best friend either. So in a way, her voice is entirely absent. So how do we pay to give evidence in a confident way that she was contributor, and we have evidence, for example, one year, they rented a room to a graduate student in physics, and that Roger student observed what they were doing after dinner and after the put the little boy too. The two of them set at the table and worked and worked and disgust. And then at some point I would get up and go to sleep because he had to go to the patent office the next morning to work Miller state and worked this also miliver brother, militia marriage was a medical student at the time Miller spent extensive periods of time with them and eat told Glutz of people how he had seen them always working together. And that was while he was there all the time. Everything evening he stayed with them for month. He was writing to his parents, how hard working then in people and relatives and friends in always when he went back how hard they working discussing catch relating debating reading together. So there's numerous account of that and their friends also talk about that. And then we have even some some. Written documentation, she was doing writing down some lectures for him because he didn't have enough time when he started eating she wrote to couple of the big big shots in in physics on issues that he was discussing he was concerned with instead of him. It's in her handwriting. Max plant was one of the prominent physicists at the time. And he solicited Albert Einstein's opinion on an upcoming paper that he wanted to publish and reply to plant that was in nineteen or nine believe was drafted by Bill, and it's a first draft. So it start that she was a copying something as from Albert's. She trashed this letter to max plan if she was in a position to be able to answer one of the most famous physicists at the time is that she was on par with the science that Albert was doing at the time. So we know that. Handwriting. We know that was yet. Yeah. It's written a search in the archives in the Jerusalem where the estates from Albert Einstein is the second document of the hundred notes for his lecture notes in the Zik in one thousand nine hundred twelve so you can see that they were still working together at that time. So we don't have the hard core evidence. But we have enough enough to know that if you were left alone. He probably would have drifted God knows where in some ways history is implementing of so many other women throughout history. His story. We can never know. Yes. That hasn't stopped climbs some very specific that Malaysia was Maija Playa in on stan's early theoretical work and drilling to the evidence in the next episode of science friction. It's interesting did Elba give her the money from his first Nobel prize in recognition of contribution was her name removed as a coal from his scientific pipe. It's what she Akot conspirator on the special theory of relativity, nullis, Ellwood, sinus, full red Mila Millan TV. If you go through his letters, the Arana goes, our new studies, our investigations are view. Our theory our paper, including our work on relative motion. Yes. At one point. He says how happy and proud. I will be when the two of us have brought our work on relative motion to a victorious conclusion lawn in a letter over to Malaysia in. Nine hundred one much has been made of this letter is the any evidence beyond this one single line to suggest they were working on his theories on the electrodynamics of moving bodies. And and relativity to get. He was lonely, but insecure and he needed support and what he was saying one letter to her without you, I lock self-confidence pleasure in work without you, my life is no life. He would've have never been able to develop these ideas on his own do the experiments in the laboratory on his own without having someone to discuss it with and to develop it. So she was the support they're very important support. But next show the battle lines are drawn historian of science Ruth, Lou and sign some of the myths claim that she was better mathematician that he was there's no substantial evidence for that. At all. In fact. From what we know about the work in the university. She was not better than he was in the grades that they got or the courses that they took. This is one thing that I may Mrs Fischer the story I've time was precociously mathematics by his own self study by the age of fifteen when he left school immunity. Join his parents in Milan, he got a letter from his mass teach say he'd already reach university entrance level standard, the idea method that Einstein needed with the mathematics from the relativity theory, does not hold what this whole myth of the loan. Scientists doing all this alone alone would probably never have succeeded to emerge. First thing she was really the one who allow them to make a name for himself. But she also allowed these ideas to flourish and grow and be much better than from one person. So collaboration is where we gain a lot. And that's the way science is done. It's true that it's not do. Justice anything to exaggerate the case, but I believe strongly that in the case of marriage Stein. There is sufficient information to get a sense of what happened that you get it from the letters. It's not made up. It's not anything. It's clear in those letters miss the next episode of science friction on stance. I one muse on fellow scientist talk to me on Twitter at Natasha Mitchell. More data and the mail on the science friction website and tell everyone about the podcast catching extent my before speak here. You've been listening to an ABC podcast. Discover more great ABC podcasts. Live radio and exclusives. On the say, listen up.

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Who was Einsteins first wife? Debate heats up over Mileva's role in Alberts science (Part 2 of 2)

Science Friction

33:09 min | 1 year ago

Who was Einsteins first wife? Debate heats up over Mileva's role in Alberts science (Part 2 of 2)

"This is science fiction. I'm the Tesha Mitchell. Hello welcomes. In nineteen ninety nine time magazine named Albert Einstein person of the century. Yeah. No biggie. Just over a century before the in eighteen ninety six Elbert, the incredible fees assistant humanitarian with a blockbuster imagination made Malaysia. She was the only woman in the maths, and physics course at the Swiss federal polytechnic, he was seventeen she was twenty one. They were both precociously smart. So science fiction is pursuing a controversy in this two part series over with them alive became much more than Elba tes, lava wife and muse whether she was a significant Playa I collaborate in the development of his theories starting. Nineteen hundred and one fresh out of university and four years before he published the special theory of relativity Elbit Roach, lease curious woods to malivert marriage twenty seven March nine hundred ninety one my dear kitten, many, thanks for your letters. And for all the true love contain there in I kiss you and hug you with all my heart for it, just as you would want and just as you deserve, darling. You are and will remain shrine for me to which no one has access. I also know that of all people do love me, the most and understand me the best I assure you that no one would dare or even want to say anything bad about you. I'll be so happy and proud when we have together and can bring out work on relative motion to a successful conclusion. When I see other people, I can really appreciate how special you are. You are. What of fifty four letters that remain of L? But in the lives ille- correspondents. I might for quite gorgeous rating, I've got to say and provocative too. Because is this letter suggesting that they collaborated on the thinking that led to the special theory of relativity published under obits name in non nine hundred five effectively launching modern physics with it. If you go through his letters, you'll run across our new studies, our investigations are view. Our theory our paper, including our work on relative motion. This is red Miller million TV, which a professor emeritus in history, Serbian-born, light, Malaysia and all of an explosive twenty fifteen book Malaysia marriage Johnston. Life with Albert Einstein is early is Martin anti seven thousand nine hundred eighty one he wrote that could Asian which you just made but a little bit more to that. Tation his first saying you are and remain to me is trying to which nobody is allowed to enter. I also know that of all people it is. You wonder stands me best how happy and proud. I will be when the two of us together. We'll have brought our work on relative motion to victorious conclusion. And with that some IQ if on Stein was the father of modern physics than Malaysia modifying its mother, and the most solid evidence is from the these early letters longtime particle physicist and all the doctor polling Genucel who's willing to really in the malivert camp in this controversy when you read the exchange of letters between Alberta and Miller, you can get a sense how closely they were working together. This collaboration was extremely this fullest from Albert constantly refers to their work income. And so he says words like. Artie of his work all investigation. So it is clear that they were working together on those ideas, constantly debating, and that's the we'd goes in collaboration. But new book forensically contests that claim. And if you missed last week's episode really do going grab that podcast rotten now or head to the science fiction website at totally sits the stage for their relationship and for this episode in which the battle lines being drawn start with. Start with the claim about contribution to Weinstein's nineteen o five. Relativity paper, Ellen is to sin is a retard phys Ed in London and with these co author historian of science professor, David Cassidy, he's climbing to tell the real story of Malaysia and Albert's relationship. The book critiques previous biographers like red Miller over the championing of Malaysia as a staff scientist umpire with Elbert including the climb. She worked on his special theory of relativity, it's based on two sources one is one sentence in the letter Eisenstein wrote to Malaysia nine hundred ninety one there were separated living in different towns because Malaysia had to retake exams, which he'd failed the previous year nine Stein. High temperature post elsewhere in Switzerland. Why don't you think that this sufficient proof to make that claim malaria was desperately in with irons times, we know from letters she wrote to a friend, Ellen koffler and the sentences. It's buried in paragraph in which is sharing her of his love for her. Although you just have to raid Elwood's letters to know that he was absolutely smitten with her two, I'm so lucky to have found creature. Who is my equal. I feel alone with everyone else except you. You haven't written me in a long time, you wild, which are you afraid it will miss the Ma or you just mad at little Roscoe. What do you want me to wonder and hunger? Fully without you, lack self confidence for work and enjoyment in life in short. Without you. My life is no. Oh, hell Bush. I mean, emojis and fled talk on teen. Did I just got it in comparison do that? But I degrees back to Ellen Essen on that litter where Elbert wrote to Malaysia oh be so happy and proud when we are together and can bring our work on relative motion to a successful conclusion. This is the time when he still had hopes they'd worked together on physics when they eventually got married. No against that one letter, which is always quoted their apothecary netters went Einstein wrote about his ideas there were two letters in that same year later that same year in which he wrote about how he is busy at work on theory of relative motion, and that he was going to send it to professor client, who's a encouraged him to publish it. That was still an away from relativity of relative motion. We all know what he meant about that. It's the original thoughts about relativity to polling gang. He said litter onto one of his biographer that he had been thinking about volatility for something like seven or eight years before publishing it. So it dates back to the years where they were closely working together always looked up the millennials room and reading books after book and discussing and working together Bonilla's inaugurals that Albert wasn't referring to work on special relativity, which describes the motion of objects relative to each other and to the spate of live. Instead, he suggests that this is just to do with relative motion to the of that's not relativity, the being a hypothetical medium that scientists mused modern around all objects around all of us transmitting launch and other forms of energy through it. It was a concept on Stein had evidently been thinking about at least since he was sixteen when he wrote a short say tasha. On the investigation of the state of the ether in a magnetic field on Iraq. When most of us might have been hanging out at the local shops, drinking milkshakes Elvis clearly had other things on his mind. But still surely it was all part of the same continuum of ID's that led to his special theory of relativity. So why wouldn't it be plausible? That Elba was costly collaborating with me on the kitchen table. It was another four years of deep immersion in the subject discussions with friends at the patent office daily, Michelle. Yes. So who gave credit to in relativity paper? There was no evidence at all that she contribution to that. Pape many scholars have pointed to those quotations in their love letters together as evidence that she contributed, and you suggest that there's been a great exercising. Chinese whispers between scholars over the years. Passing down information. As fact about Malaysia when Arnstein wrote about specific ideas that he had it's always in the first person Daniel when he's talking generally at a time when who's trying to reassure rela- of of closeness to her when he still had hopes about working together. When marriage is only short period about nine months when they were separated. The two uses the term we end up. So do you think that people have cherry Pete? He's use of the plural possessive pronouns like we and Al in letters to Malaysia as somehow evidence that they would collaborators Maclear examples corroboration buys because they've made no attempt to look at anything else in those letters they've simply chosen and selected these single sentences, whereas I've shown the loads of other sentences written binds Stein, which clear that he is the one doing the work, and there is no evidence. She took part in the sessions and made and the authors have not taken the trouble to check. Original sources Mary produced here saban's which but never be accepted in court blow stories passed on who knows what anybody actually said at the time. We know that some they're not true. And yet they're being reproduced. As if they were historic. So how does read Mila million TV each respond to these accusation in my book, you do not find a place where I'm giving her credit for coming up with? But he's ideas will not only knew they were revolutionary, and they will not accepted by academy community. And so he was isolated to make her case. Red Miller closely interrogated the official archives of Elbert on Stein housed at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. We it was open only in two thousand six by a court order, and I decided this time for me to go to Jerusalem where I went and stayed for several months going through the original archives. I head with me a person who was alliterate in both English and German because the correspondence and everything was in German primarily and that process gave her a close since of Albert's ways. Einstein was the icon and in my. Brooke Iceland is not an icon key has this problem of quarreling with professors, and especially professor Weber who was a professor of both Malaysia. And he in physics. So he was so isolated. He didn't have anybody around him. He was very insecure. He needed help. He had ideas, but to develop these ideas and to realize them through experiments and formulate in mathematical equations was not that easy. That's a process, and so he needed someone who could understand it who could help him support humidity. In fact, and that someone read Mila suggests was maligned marriage on Stein herself an accomplished student of physics Mets as we heard last week. What's first published scientific paper in nine hundred and one I think it was was on capillarity the movement of liquids in a column published in a leading physics journal at one point in a letter to me, he refers to our paper in relation to that very first scientific paper of his is there enough evidence to suggest they collaborated as physicists sonnet or were. They just, you know, discusses Luke use this example, where I am sure they're working together as a couple. This was time on physical chemistry was coming forward. And that was a new field of development, and he's writing to the her and telling her that he's learning a lot about physical chemistry, and he says you will enjoy it when we will go over together. The results on capillarity seem to be totally new. We shall see together empirical material on the subject through Kleiner if a law of nature emerge. From this. We will send it to an island alone in that physique. He leading physics, Germany Europe. And then he goes on to say, how lucky I am to have found you a creature. Who is my equal who is a strong and independent as I m I self and my me of rights to their good friend. Helen and says we sent a copy to professor Boltzmann, and we would like to know what he thinks of it. Now, there is no doubt that our played a leading role. There is also little doubt that the paper. He was working on was the result of a joint labor of two physics experts working collaboration. If he were the author he should have recognized that me is having work and for her contribution to this paper. But he never did. Instead, he called him ideally hand. Yes, we at risk of giving him more credit than she is Judas that in doing that. Does that do Justice story? I am I am. I think I'm giving less credit because I don't have hard evidence in all her lettuce were destroyed. And I'm sure that that the trustees of his estate he secretary in particular was eager when they found out some of these letters were they were saying she was ready to destroy them. The book is is very nicely written. Very readable narrative is coherent and make sense emeritus, professor Ruth, Lou and sign is a chemist and historian of science especially of women in science, which is what she wrote about in Ellen Essen and David Cassidy's new book on Stein's wife, the real story of Malaysia on Stein. Marriage but read Milas earlier investigation, which Ruth only rid after audio chapter. She says we can tell that million fic- is a historian. She's not a historian of science, and she doesn't really understand some of the places where the questions about malicious scientific collaboration really important to to understand scientifically. I think she does a very interesting job with militias later life after the divorce, and after Malaysia and Einstein we're more amicably in touch with one another it really shows how how difficult delay was life was not just psychologically, but also physically she was in poor health. She had so much trouble financially and taking care of the children, especially the younger. Boy, it was not well, and when gets a tremendous amount of sympathy for this very difficult life did. Did she get wrong? She implies that the sharing of the Nobel prize was because he felt guilty that he had not acknowledged to work. But you don't get that from the documents. Yeah. Well, that is a big climb. Isn't it will come back to that in a moment because threes before Elbert on Stein one he's nineteen Twenty-one no-go prize? He proposed as a part of it acrimony is divorce that malivert and their two sons could live off the funds. Should he win the prize? Physicists took to polling gag Noel who spent much of her career at the European labar trait. Particle physics San red red Milas quite differently to Ruth Lou and sign in fact, it's inspired her to present lectures on Malaya's story to audiences around the world. She basis a book on what is available and let have there is a Serbian physicist was a professor at the university of new Vienna. In Slovenia is name is dot Kish dish, and he spent fifty years going all over Serbia collecting, the stimulates by people who had met known me lever or met Albert Einstein when they were on the -cation in the insomnia. So and eat went to great print, those this Tim and all that, and you get the same picture from all those people the authors. Ellison and David Cassidy don't appear to be antagonist of the quest to unearth the hidden contribution of women signed. Tists, but they do argue and document the evidence has been cherry Pete, in some cases might up in some cases passed down without scrutiny between skull is not looking back at primary sources to verify facts. So that seemed to have an agenda an anti woman Nagenda here. They just argue that they want to present verifiable facts to make the case this is really important to have. And I agree with them. And it's true that some people who have argued for milita have not been particularly thorough, but don't have much to say against the one biography that was fully committed and against Beauge. They have very little to say, and then but millennia which draw a full picture and from the start they dismiss all that as being here say everything that is Serbian is not worth anything. One should not believe. Any of the Serbian biographers of militia? That's essentially the message that they give very early on in that. What's your concern about that? Miliver was servant. So of course, who were offense and family. They were also Serbians don't think they dismiss those testimonies outright. They concerned about personal testimonies is that there's no way of verifying them. What they do though is night. Take all the texts that have been written about Malaysia and trice with any any point. That is made is catching fact, so it's true that. As you said with testimonies and all that is difficult because you cannot verify them, but you all similar picture. So at end, you get the full picture, but I was really shocked by this book by how adamant the authors were I find that. That was a lot of at Nissim there everything that is Serb is to not taken seriously. Because of course, they were just want to promote one of theirs. I found that disturbing. Some more things that you have an agenda to piddle you've been on the case of anyone standing in Malaya's Colt for very long time. Now, you websites up for many years. Now, do you have an agenda? Of course, once you attached to approach is very hard, not tend to select your evidence. But I've tried very hard to look at all the evidence from the side anything on concern with sound draw the pump. But I just think that the truth matters. I'd like to think that's my agenda not saying she didn't make any contribution. We we simply have no idea. What happened between them when they were to go is because you could make the case that this not strong proof that she did. But on the other hand what proof? Do we have that? She didn't contribute to his work where we have letters. She wrote to Helen Kara flow. When on two of the papers, she made absolutely clear that Einstein wrote the mile proud of him. And so on these on subject. It's which people have collaborate on the base of single sentences in the letter that Malaysia makes no claim for that. And if anybody can come up with fresh stuff, I've tried to examine everything could find in support the notion Malaysia was Einstein's collaborate, and I know nothing. Most of my life is latest to Elbert missing all perhaps destroyed. So that's a factor that also maybe she made no client about working alongside L. But because that's not half things work in those days. Let's face. It women were only just starting to get the vote in Europe early willing to last century read Miller million TV each Albert was genius. He was a God he saw himself as unique is he was she on the other hand grew up in a bakery from society where the woman in the house he subservient to the husband in serves him. He respects her worker position. And they were a harmoniously, but you don't hear from woman, you're here only for the man of the house. This is the patriarchal society in Serbia at the time. And she grew up in it by nineteen hundred they're planning to get married. The parents are very much against it. Got a diploma, but he couldn't get a job in needed the job to get a job in needed to make a name for himself. And she saw the only way to prove himself was to publish in science and get some status among the scientists and get a job that way. So she was willing to give up on her own development as as an individual hoping to be working together. We time time to create something much more and much better. Because she recognized he's ideas, he was genius. And so she was looking forward to accomplishing more working with Einstein together. What better way that to let him sign all the papers under his? But once he got famous hot you want him to backtrack and say a bender. We do they tell you that all that. I did was with my wife. Okay. So what about the climb red Mila? Mike's that on. Stein in sharing the spoils of his Nobel prize with malivert, and their sons was conceding that she'd played a key role in the work that won the prize. Well, you know, he initially was saying that when he gets an oil price, he will place it in a Bank, and he will keep it for his sons to inherit and she would have the interest from this money that will be generated for her. This was not acceptable. She wanted him to sign an agreement that when he gets the noble price. This is rightfully hers, and he finally had to sign it. He didn't want to he he he resented it. And she insists that she got her way. And the judge wrote the decision, and it says when Albert gets this noble price, this becomes the property of Miller marriage. Einstein period. This is a kind of admission, but he was forced to it. He would try twice after that to pull out of it. But she said look we have the judge's decision. You better stick to it. And he threatened her one point, you know, you're nobody he told her, and if you're nobody spreading this news because she wanted to get the papers which on which they were working together. And he said, I don't have these papers. I don't have them anymore. But then he said look threatening someone who is somebody. And you're nobody the only thing I can suggest to you shut up. Yes. Einstein could be quite vicious in in some of the things he said later on towards me that is an understatement on Stein was horrid to Malaysia and they close friends witnessed what unfolded. But then, of course, few divorces involve exchanging nasties. Hey, there is no evidence that she was threatening to publish the cheats provide. Support collaborate with him on his papers. This is in Tyler surmise on the part of the Baga for Rodney Milnes javale. We don't know what ever wrote to Weinstein because he didn't keep the letters. She's is quite clear that she was saying that she's she was thinking writing memoirs and this made Einstein angry, and he explains in in one of his letters while he was angry. He didn't like I matters being discussed in public from that. He could well have not liked the idea that some of the ways he'd behave toward Miller within made public that whole conjecture about the Nobel prize is really species in my opinion. It's clear why he assigned the money for the Nobel prize at the time. They got divorced. Einstein didn't have a huge amount of money. He knew he would get the prize. He wanted to support Malebo and the and the kids, and so he promised that money. He wasn't saying that she had deserved the prize itself. And it seems nor did she. No, she never did. And that's. Another actually that's something. I I intended to mention Milivoje herself never claimed that she had had collaborated or contributed in in to Stein's work not in detail and non general she never said that to her friends to her children. What Homs do you think done in exaggerating her story or getting the story wrong because there are rain potent senses in which women name ticket women signs? Have struggled to Maitland voices heard whose work has been procreating by people. And it's important that this is recognized. If historic comes along, which sounds as if it's on the same lines. But which when it's examined does not hold water Wednesday cost out on the other stories. I think he demonstrates every case must be examined on its merits on sumptious, not should not be made because it seems to fit certain. But Dr polling gang, young casts doubt on Ellen Esten David Cassidy's motivations and the conclusions draw about malivert story. Guess you? And the Essent can say as much as they want that. Yes. Of course, we know how women were stuffing all that. But they have a chip on their shoulder. They don't want to touch the great, man. One doesn't touch a hair of Albert Einstein and good knows how many hats. So polling also questions. Why professor Ruth Lou and sign as an imminent biographer of women in science and author of a book about the famous, Jim physicist lace and Mina agreed to contribute short chapter to Essendon Cassidy's book. And I think that really using the the name of this woman to show that they're not anti women. But in the fact is just wrapping to me is just sugar coating, I suppose it looks like that. But if no woman had contributed to this then people say than they were excluding women tirelesly. I honestly I was not one of the co authors of the book the books of began with Esther Sen's work and favored Cassidy contributed a tremendous amount. Providing historical, and and by graphical context, and I was asked just to contribute some context with respect to women of that period, which I tried to do. You're a biographer of one of the greatest famous physicist of of the last century in this in the Tom when Malaysia was a student, and here, you are lending your credibility to a project that some people will say is a total dismantling of Malaya's legacy scientific lazy as a historian of science. How do you feel about that conclusion? Well, I think it's the most important thing that we can do is to be as as true in his honest as we can as to what the reality of the situation was and Malaysia as far as we can tell was not able to become a great. Scientists did not become a great scientist. She had great potential as a young person. And I think we should look at what she did do rather than what what she might have done. What appears that. She didn't do. It's a very tough thing. This isn't it? And I wonder how we tell the stories of women whose scientific knowledge and skill only. Existed in the shadow of their mile panners where it's hard to know head of you her legacy and all those women like it's very hard. So many hidden stories, it's it's it's actually devastating. It is quite devastating and historically speaking looking at Malebo historical figure her story is is interesting because we very seldom have stories of women who don't succeed. And in this case, we have this story, and it gives us an inkling of just how difficult it was for women and for years afterwards. We can go to the end of the twentieth century and find examples of women who worked as research associates in their husbands lambs or in their husband's colleagues labs and who worked their whole lives and who contributed who published with them and who still weren't given the credit that the male partner was. It's important to see that when he use are what is really happening. The work of women has always been overshadowed in history today. They're still people physicists, we said no later than a few months back that women have never done anything important in physics. So medically was an exception. But all the others were systematically prevented from either entering the university or getting degrees. So how do you want women to fully give their potential at this point? It is important to get the facts, right? But you have to look at it. Also with a famous perspective, not just saying are we know how difficult it was for female scientists. But then you dismiss everything that's this woman might have done. She had the child out of wedlock and lusted. And then she had lost all your hopes of working on that. She had left are only con was getting married with Albert and continuing to do science with him. Sary's is interesting because we very seldom have stories of women who don't succeed. And in this case, we have this story, and it gives us an inkling of just how difficult it was for women entered. Here's afterwards, we can go to the end of the twentieth century and find examples of women who worked as research associates in their husbands labs or in their husband's colleagues labs and who worked their whole lives, and who contributed a who published with them and who still were given the credit that the male partner was. Elbert and Malaya's marriage unravelled after he had an affair with his first cousin Elsa who eventually married. Things. Got very nasty in the end next week, Ruth Nye a gun discussed her investigation of tro, blazing Austrian particle physicist. Lisa Montana who lived and worked at the same time as Elbit Malaysia. She also fled the Nazis, but with very different outcome. It's an extraordinary story. Talked to me on Twitter at Natasha Mitchell. Thanks to John les. Enter Richard Govan gel.

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GSMC Health & Wellness Podcast Episode 161: Vitamins

GSMC Health and Wellness Podcast

38:42 min | 1 year ago

GSMC Health & Wellness Podcast Episode 161: Vitamins

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And I'm joined by the now crocheting there. That's kind of a weird sort of. Yes. I am crochet. Yeah. She has many talents. I one of those people that pay better attention. If I am doing something with my hands sitting meeting that makes sense. Yeah. Interesting distract girl. I had a teacher elementary school who believed in that. And she'll she would let us like doodle and stuff. That was really great. Yeah. Enjoyed it. I don't know if I pay attention more. But I enjoyed the doodling. I'll take it. I can't draw to save my life and so- doodling. I feel so much pressure. It doesn't. Okay, crocheting. I can I can say I can't doodle. That's crocheting is good. It's a good skill. It's practical. Make yourself blanket is not what our topic is today. No, not at all. I just today. If you're wondering, it's not crocheting, but we're talking about vitamins, and I guess I I was telling Sarah earlier off air. There are so many more vitamins than I was aware of and like, I'm sure there are other vitamins besides just some of the ones we're gonna be talking about. But like also multiple b vitamins, I didn't know that there's a million so many B-vitamins, but even just just walking up and down not even like vitamin specialties shop, but just you're the island, let's say WalMart or target the number of vitamins and supplements, you know, things that aren't necessarily in vitamins, but like fish oil. Ginseng or the things that that? Yeah. It's. Yeah. Razi the choices that are out there it it is really overwhelming. And I guess that's part of the reason why I want to talk about it. Because I I'm someone who I grew up eating a multivitamin like, and I don't really stones multi-vitamin. Oh, yeah. I mean now as a somewhat adult, I don't even take the real ones, I do like the gummy one loves the coming. Why would I choose the other ones they're all like Chaki ground or they're they're like horse pills, swallow them exactly how this is way better. So it's a step up from Flintstones. But you know, I still do a multivitamin. So I just was curious like I was reading the back of my bottle. And I'm like there's so much in here. Do I need all of this? Right. And like some words mean like other they're just like words for other items, you know, like, it's not vitamin C. It's called something else. But it's interesting, and I think we're going to specifically talking about what vitamins are, and then we're going to talk about the vitamins that. Required for human metabolism. I also find it interesting when you're reading the the the percentages. It'll be like six hundred percent of your daily. I think okay. I know vitamin C supposed to help in cold flu season been six hundred percent seems if you only need one hundred percent you really need six hundred percent. That's what I think my biggest complaint about vitamins because sometimes if you get an imbalance of one it's not necessarily good. I mean, your body any excess your body will just get rid of. But I was reading there are different like this not necessarily a vitamin, but like a supplement like having bio ten if you have too much bio taint as opposed to there's a different I don't know be by one of the many bite Amin's that you need with it. If you have over bio tan, it actually it can make your skin look better, but it can create like a layer over your skin that can clog your pores, oh jeeze. If you don't have the other b vitamin in equal amounts, which I guess helps with not having that happen, right? Why am I gonna? A thousand percent of this one thing I don't need that you know. Right. And if you don't do your research, you know, most people wouldn't necessarily know remember in college. I think when either people were just now kind of finding out about it, or maybe I just starting to hear about it. And that taking vitamin d with your calcium helped the calcium absorb better, and you know, up until then people were like heckle heck calcium. I took apparently wasn't too. Because I wasn't taking it with vitamin d. Oh, gosh. Yeah. And I think fight or something that we should all know about. And obviously, I didn't know everything about them. So it was interesting to look into it. And what's important, and what you know, how you can get the vitamins besides just taking supplements other ways, you can get it through diet and things like that. So like with the calcium, you know, like, maybe if you drink milk might have vitamin d in it. So maybe that helps your body absorb it as opposed to having to take an additional supplement. Do you ever feel like though, if we actually got all the nutrients are body needed? We'd just be eating constantly like we. Do you ever feel? I just feel overwhelmed by the number of vitamins and nutrients and everything that your body needs for various ways to be healthy. Like, okay, I'm gonna cookies. Like if you could just get it from like all of the diverse foods speeding all day. Get all the foods. Yeah. Yeah. Like for you know, nine to ten meeting kale. Change to some other thing milk or your melt that would be I could see that actually that might make me a little paranoid. Now. We're gonna be talking about the foods that these are in. Yeah. That is concerning. Okay. I take my gummy multivitamin. We're. So to start off to say what vitamin is vitamin is an organic molecule or related set of molecules that is an essential micronutrient that an organism needs in small quantities for proper functioning and specifically proper function of its metabolism and essential nutrients. They can't be synthesized in the organism either at all or not in sufficient quantities. And therefore, they must be obtained through diet. So they're not things that you have in your body, which is why we take vitamins or why it's important to have a healthy diet because we get those vitamins through other sources. And the term vitamin it doesn't really include the other groups of essential nutrients, like minerals, or central fatty acids essential amino acids, those are different from just vitamins we're going to be specifically talking about vitamins in this show. So like their other like if you go in the supplement, I'll as Sarah like in your target in your WalMart there other things that you can get that are necessarily vitamins be other supplements of some other kind so many are. There are so many different oils more than you'll ever have thought you needed. Specifically, we're going to be talking about the thirteen vitamins that are required by human metabolism. And I'm going to list these quickly, and then we'll go into what each kind is. Specifically us there is vitamin a vitamin b one vitamin b two vitamin B three nobody before vitamin B five vitamin b six vitamin b seven vitamin b nine vitamin B twelve finally route of it vitamin C, vitamin d vitamin e and vitamin k why are maybe we're gonna talk about this later. Why are they letters? Okay. So there's vitamin a it was like the first one they discovered and then vitamin Boyer there. So many bees. I have so many questions, you know. I haven't thought about that really them. I kind of feel like that would be a way to easy easily categorize them. Right. I'm wondering are they categorize like when I when I read this Thiam and rival rebel flavor. Nice. Right. You're scientists you probably saying, yeah. Those are in XYZ category. Oh, they're just used more letters. But you know, what? I mean those are category. I just don't know what it is. Right. And you also bring up an interesting point. So when I'm saying like, vitamin A or vitamin B one or whatever they have other names as well like vitamin b one thiamine. So if you're reading the back of your vitamin thing might be like, well, none if these are in there, they have other names to like vitamin B two is ripe AFL Evan. Yeah. Right. But like I remember that like be two is easier than riboflavin, right, whatever that is our like vitamin CS also Sobek acid, which you hear a lot of what I mentioned earlier bio ten that's vitamin b seven. So I don't know. It is interesting also in vitamins, there are fat soluble vitamins and water soluble vitamins this when either this is interesting, so fat soluble vitamins are stored in the fatty tissue of the body in the liver, vitamins AD, and k are fat soluble and these are easier to store than water soluble vitamins, and they can stay in the body as reserves for days, and sometimes even months and fat soluble vitamins or absorbed through the intestinal track. With the help of fats or lipids, then the there are water soluble vitamins water soluble vitamins, do not stay in the body for a long time, the body cannot store them, and they are soon excreted in. In urine or other waste, and because of this water soluble vitamins need to be replaced more often than fat soluble ones and vitamin C. And all the B vitamins are water soluble sa-, can you? Take too many fat soluble vitamins, and they're just like being stored in too great of quantity, potentially. I don't know. I feel like when they're like, oh, this is like one hundred percent of your whatever vitamin I like to think that like when multivitamins or other vitamin companies do that they're like controlling for that like they're not like, oh, well, this is fat soluble. So we're going to reduce how much we give you and your daily value. But I don't know. I don't know how those companies work in their labeling right activists. Before we go into talking about each vitamin specifically. 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And the one I want to start with obviously, vitamin A, the vitamin a chemical names are retinal retinal, and then for carotenoids, and that also includes beta carotene and vitamin a is fat soluble as I mentioned earlier, if you have a deficiency in vitamin a it can cause night blindness Pence when you think about beta carotene in carrots, and then they're going to be a lot of scientific over carrot. Oh, malaysia. Sure. Yeah. That's right. And this is an eye disorder that results in a dry cornea. Which sounds sounds uncomfortable. If you want to get vitamin A again, you can get it from supplements. But you can also get it from other food sources like liver cod liver oil carrots, broccoli, sweet potato butter kale. Spinach, pumpkin, kala greens, and some cheeses, apparently, eggs, April, cots, cantaloupe, melon and milk. I am really glad that that list went on from liver and KADO. Yeah. Because I was like. Maybe Nightline so bad. Have you thought about like when I go on the supplement? I'll and I'll see things like cod liver oil. I often think what what does what is that four right? Vitamin A is interesting guess, if you want to choose to take the oil as opposed to like, just a little tablet that says vitamin a that's probably a mix of a lot of other things. Yeah. And I just like to be more. If you like maybe I feel like whenever hear the phrase cod liver oil. I think of like. Past times old times. I don't like to say that don't know where it's sort of like here. Take your called liberal oil picture someone with a big spoon slurping down cod liver oil. Yeah. And I've never had it. So I probably shouldn't it. But it doesn't sound good. You never know someone maybe might like it, maybe. And I also think about when I'm in the aisle, and I can see like if I'm looking for like a smoothie mixon's like powders off times it'll be like powdered broccoli or like p protein with sweet potato and kale. There's so many different options now diverse. Yeah. And I guess that makes sense looking at this like because it has kale has vitamin a you know, it's like trying to say well with these other things with your protein powder. You can also get vitamin from kale, and, you know, sound really hipster with your kale. Few. If you wanna take your vitamin A that way go for it. Now, we're going to go into the vitamins, so hang on. Yeah. Maybe get a settle in. Yeah. Yeah. Healthy snack. I'll be also mentioned a lot of healthy foods for a diverse diet. So, you know, maybe pick up some of those also kind of turns out that every kind of natural food is generally good for you. It has some type of vitamin in it. But she's not surprising, a natural food that has no vitamins snow benefit. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know either Google later, I guess we'll just figure out which one I have not mentioned. Apparently, maybe some cheeses. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we're gonna start with the first just be vitamin B B one and the chemical name for be one is thiamine. This is water soluble and deficiency in b one that can cause berry berry or Wernicke core Sakaf syndrome. And these diseases the symptoms include muscle weakness, problems with coordination or loss of muscle and enlarged heart or fast, heart rate, peripheral neuropathy, like limb weakness loss of appetite, and then the sensation of pins and needles which like when you're like, Foot's asleep pain and shortness of breath or swelling in the extremities, which that's a lot. Not sound good. Yeah. So you really don't want this. It is treatable though, which I'm sure is you just increase your vitamin, right? But I guess I I mean, that's how privileged I am. I don't think about these types of things because I live in the US, and I don't have to worry about my diet that much or access to vitamins easily like I was saying like in target. I could just go to target. But this is obviously more common in developing countries when there's not easily easy access to like, vitamins or a balanced diet. Right. But. It is treatable also good sources of this. Vitamin are in yeast, pork cereal. Grains, sunflower seeds Brown rice whole grain rye. Asparagus. Kale, cauliflower potatoes oranges liver and X men livers good liver. Yeah. Apparently that doesn't make me wanna eat it because all the vitamins that whatever animal eight go through deliberate in liver. I don't know. That's be you know, I guess maybe. But this miliver dislike filter things out you'd think. So. But if you just like hold onto some of it hasn't hasn't gotten to that filtering process, maybe the animal die. Not to a point on it. I don't know, but liver also if you are like patera, and you shouldn't be concerned because there are lots of other ways to get vitamins. I mean, obviously, if you're rigid -tarian, you should probably know more about your diet and make sure you're getting particularly make sure you get balanced diet. Yes. But it's not like these are all just like in meats or things like that just like an eggs moving onto the next vitamin which is beat to the chemical name for vitamin B two is riboflavin. It is water soluble as well. Like all the vitamins and deficiency in b to can cause I'm not gonna RA abo- Flavin noise SIS. Yeah. Noises rebel Flavin than a rebel flavor. Noses. Maybe. Yeah. Know you're talking about. I try. This diseases particularly categorized by sores on the mouth, which does not like a really bad cold sore. Yeah, I guess open source or canker sore it says on the mouth. Viet- something I guess I thought about like just the scary name of this. Maybe think of like worse sores canker sore like open sore sore is a sore. So maybe I don't know. Good sources of b to include a spare goose bananas persimmons. Okra charred, cottage cheese milk, yogurt, other meats, eggs, fish, and green beans. Well, when I got cut when I got canker sores my mom used to make me put plain yogurt on them. Oh, gross. Hey, mate. So interesting. Oh, maybe there's maybe, you know, kind of not an old wives tale, but like a home remedy remedies that have some basis in. Feel like I should look at the medicine that you put on canker sores and seafood has be to in it. It'd be interesting onto be three the chemical names. This has two names is diocesan or Nias sina Meyde. Again, it's water soluble deficiency in. This can cause polite GRA which is what when it's at home, which is. I didn't get that one. But good sources of be three are again, liver and other organs like heart kidney also in meats, like chicken beef fish such as tunein salmon milk eggs, avocados dates tomatoes, leafy vegetables, broccoli, carrots, sweet potatoes. Asparagus. Nuts whole grains, leggings mushrooms and brewers east. Palade GRA is also known as the three DS, and it is marked by dementia. Diarrhea and dermatitis though, really dissimilar interesting. I remember reading that one because I -member image that comes up when you Google it. So oh, I didn't make it to my notes, but I dis. Yeah. Ooh. That's weird. I'm learning stuff today. Yeah. You should definitely take b three then. Although sound. Plus Toronto bad. Yeah. So again, I mean, we're just so privileged that. Like, I feel like I have to worry about this. Yeah. It's really important to get a balanced diet. This is really a PSA for having a good diet and vitamins when you need it moving on where onto b-5 the chemical name for beef five is a Pinto thick acid. It is again water soluble and deficiency can cause a para Cynthia or pins and needles, which is abnormal dermal sensation. Like tingling prick lean chilling burning or like, a numb sensation. Which again is like if you're asleep, and like and this can happen. When us really no apparent cause for the pins and needles. It's not like, you're cutting off blood circulation. It just kind of happens when you're falls asleep. It's like, I believe it's blood circulation. You know, if you're stiff and you haven't moved around a lot, but this will happen. Just for no reason, which does not sound fun. Good sources for this include meets, whole, grains, although milling of grains, can remove the vitamin potentially. Also, broccoli KADO Royal jelly fish ovaries, which is really specific stick with the Brooklyn the avocados. Do we think we eat fish ovaries, the eggs fish Oris? Yeah. That's very specific is very specific. I'm sure you watch enough food network. Yes, exactly. I have a fish ovaries recipe in the kitchen. Well, let's go to some other cookbooks. But also Royal jelly, which I believe is th really like bees, I think so too. Oh, interesting. So I mean, I feel like some of this. It's not like you read like Royal jelly fish ovaries. Like, oh, I'm not gonna eat that. But then also a Brooklyn avocados like meats and whole grains. You don't have to go really super out there in order to consume these vitamins, which is good for all of us or. Yeah. For beef five Pence. Oh, nick. Royal jelly L. It's Royal jelly. I dunno. Internet didn't just come. You know, usually, you type something in it comes up with nice concise paragraph. Oh, yeah. The just like straight from the Wikipedia one paragraph that pulled honeybee secretion that he's used in the nutrition of larvae as well as adult queens. It is secreted from the glands of the hydra failings of nurse bees. Interesting. No, hydro Hypo ferrings not a totally screwed that up. So I guess it's not Honey. But it's related to be related. Interesting. Nicely done. Thank you this pull not out of my Bank of maybe food network. I dunno where I got that. But beef ex- the movie, I I don't know. Probably definitely not the movie. There's no way that Seinfeld. Put that in there. Never know. We're gonna take a break. But before we do I want to mention this really great air filter. 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So they like to set fires. I guess. A lot. Sorry. Budiman B six is water soluble and a deficiency in B six can cause a Nimia peripheral neuropathy or a damaged parts of your nervous system that are other than the brain or spinal cord, which is perfume neuropathy. So I mean, I'm glad it's not your brain or spinal cord, but that's still not good good. Sources of B. Six are meets bananas. Whole grains, vegetables nuts, and when milk is dried. Apparently it loses half of its be six so not dried milk if for trying to get a bunch of it. And also, I guess apparently freezing and canning of milk can reduce its content as well. So I mean milk is obviously good. It's on a lot of these lists as good sources. But I guess you shouldn't just rely on dried milk or canned milk. Or if you freeze it for whatever reason, I guess stories, but be up so milk is a good source for a lot of things. Not just calcium moving on. We are. Going to surprise be seven the chemical name of b seven is bio ten and again, it is water soluble deficiency in this can cause dermatitis or enter rita's with is inflammation of the intestine that doesn't do not so good good sources of this are liver and some vegetables, so specifically yoke. Going on to be nine the chemical name for benign are folic acid or fallen Nick acid. I don't feel like after in the water. So I will again. Oh, all the are. Okay. Well, next time. I swear next time on the last one I will skip right. All right. Also, apparently deficiency of benign during pregnancy has been linked to birth defects and pregnant women are encouraged to supplement folic acid for the for ideally entire year before becoming pregnant when you look at prenatal vitamins, a lot of full of acid, and I know my doctor said can take there's nothing wrong with taking prenatal vitamins. Even if you weren't pregnant at your hair. Good. Yeah. If if you if you wanna take vitamins, you can't take prenatal vitamins. You don't have to be thinking about getting pregnant lives have a lot of folic acid and good sources of be nine include leafy vegetables, legumes liver again, man, baker's yeast, some fortified grain products and sunflower seeds also several fruits have moderate amounts. As does beer, apparently pro will baker's yeast gonna say yeast. Yeah. Grade products. Yeah. I have heard I believe we mentioned this on an earlier episode was like people would bathe in beer like that was good for their hair. So I don't know. But yeah. Vitamin C chemical names sorbic acid water soluble and a deficiency can cause Meg oh bless stomach anemia. So sounds really scary anemia. Did we be twelve? Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. You didn't want to have to just really avoided saying water saw. I also got sick of the vitamins b twelve the chemical names for b twelve or scien-. No, Koba lambing. Or the names do not get easier. Hydro oxo Cohen. Methyl Koba lambing while alleman, I I guess deficiency can cause mega blast anemia, which is a condition where bone marrow produces an unusually large normal, immature, red blood cells. Good sources include fish, shellfish meat, poultry, eggs, milk, and other dairy products, and some fortified, cereals and soy products as well as fortified nutritional yeast also vegans are advised take b twelve supplements because they wouldn't eat really those things. Yeah. So it's important. Okay. Now, we're going on the one that I was clearly excited about vitamin C, which as I mentioned, the chemical name of Sobek acid. It is water soluble and the deficiency can also cause mega blessed. Anemia. Good sources include fruit and vegetables. And apparently the Kaku Plum, Andy come come of fruit have the highest vitamin c contents of all food also liver again has really high levels. And if you cook you will destroy the vitamin C in your food apparently cook oranges, you're not helping yourself, but what about liver? Oh. I mean, I guess if it has really high levels decreasing it, but I feel any but it says destroyed that's true. I don't know. I mean, I'm not gonna eat liver anyway. So yeah, I guess to me, but people do, you know, liver and onions the thing yet, it is vitamin d oh, this is going to be a fun. Chemical names are ergo calcified role or coal the calcified role. Sopher civil kill spam. Yeah. Yeah. It's fat soluble deficiency may cause rickets or osteo Malaysia. Which is the softening of bones makes sense as to what goes along with calcium. Yup. And good sources are exposure to ultraviolet b or a UV sunlight or other sources that can like produce vitamin d like, you can find it in fatty fish eggs, beef liver and mushrooms physically beef liver. That's interesting. Yeah. The other sources do not specify what type of animal liver, but beef liver interesting. Yeah, there's a lot of vitamin D. Good for them, vitamin E. The chemical name is a Toca Corollas or Toko Terio knows. It's fat soluble deficiency is uncommon, but it may cause Hemel league anemia newborns, and this is a condition. Where blood cells are destroyed and removed from the blood too early, which is sad. Good. Sources of this include key, fruit almonds, avocado eggs, milk nuts. Leafy green vegetables. Apparently unheeded vegetable oils, we German whole grains, doing like a salad dressing or something with vegetable oil. And then the last one is vitamin k chemical names or Filo quietly. Non none and MENA Quine UN's looking translate medical Orense. Completely different thing. It's fat soluble and deficiency can claw cause a bleeding dialysis which is unusual susceptibility to bleeding and good sources include leafy green vegetables, avocado kiwifruit. And apparently parsley contains a lot of vitamin k not that I just eat parsley by the handful. But you know, interesting a good side or sauce. Overall, do want to say we've gone through all these vitamins, and I've mentioned all the food sources that you can find them in the US Dr Terry guidelines, they do generally focus on overall diet as the best way to get enough nutrients for your health and really vitamins should firstly come from a balanced and very diet with plenty of fruits and vegetables. Not just you eat different burgers from different restaurants. Varied fruits vegetables and help fresheners may recommend vitamin supplements for people with certain conditions or like during pregnancy or for those on a restricted diet. And if you taking supplements, try not to like exceed the stated maximum dose. So if you're just says to vitamins a day, don't take for health problems can result from that. And it's also possible some medications can interact with vitamin supplements. So it's important to talk to your healthcare provider before using supplements along with your normal medication. So please consider that before you just start. I don't know don't just mixing every and take every supplement in the supplement. I'll start taking willy nilly. Yeah. Especially if you're taking other prescribe medications, please talk to your doctor that brings us to the end of the episode. Thank you so much for listening, and I hope you can tune into the next health and wellness podcast. You've been listening to the Golden State media concepts. Have and wellness podcast part of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others like it at WWW dot Jesus MC podcast dot com. Download our five cast on itunes, Stitcher. Soundcloud, Google play just typing G S M C to find all the shows from the Golden State media concepts podcast network from movies to music from sports to entertainment and even weird us. 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300th Episode: Big Announcement and Happy Holidays!

The Wellness Mama Podcast

41:55 min | 9 months ago

300th Episode: Big Announcement and Happy Holidays!

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But you can save two hundred dollars on a whole house or a fourteen stage water system by using the code. W M podcast so again checkout radiant life dot com slash wellness Mama and use the code. W M podcast to save two hundred dollars. Hello and welcome to the wellness Mama podcast. I'm Katie from Amazon Dot Com and this is the three hundredth episode of this podcast. I'm so grateful that you are joining me and thank you for listening as long as you've listened happy holidays to you to your family. I hope you're having a wonderful week and I. I just really want to say how grateful I truly truly am for you for being part of this journey in for being here whether you've just joined and you're a new listener or reader or you with me for a long time. I'm so honored and grateful all that you share your time with me. I know I say that almost every episode. But I know that your time is your most valuable asset and it is an honor that you would choose to share with me. And before I get into into a recap of the last hundred episodes highlights from the year I finally get to share a super exciting big announcement about project. I have been working on for over a decade eight and can now finally share with you. I co founded a new company called wellness. And we've created a line of personal care products based on the recipes. I've been making in perfecting acting in my kitchen for a decade. I realized I needed to make these products available widely when I found out that some of my most naturally minded friends were still using conventional personal. Oh care products like toothpaste and shampoo. Because while they wanted to live naturally they weren't willing to sacrifice how their hair fell how their teeth felt or smelled or set over products that it didn't work as well. So here's the thing. There are a lot of natural products out there and a lot of them. Don't work as well as conventional alternatives. And there's a lot of products that work really well but many of them contain ingredients that a lot of preferred to avoid in our homes are on our skin so I set out to create products that accomplished both by being highly effective and still completely at least safe and after many many rounds of formulation. I'm so excited to finally get to start sharing these products with you at wellness. We focus on creating products. That aren't just safe to put on your skin or your hair or in your mouth but actually beneficial to we. Don't just avoid the bad stuff. We also make sure we add beneficial ingredients so that you can nourish yourself from the outside in as well as from the inside out. You may know that a lot of things used in personal care. Products aren't tested or approved for safety. It's probably worse than you. I think though this has been really eye-opening process as we've formulated and created these products. Because I found so much information out that I even I wasn't aware of after doing a lot of research researching this industry for years. It's a common misconception. That skin care ingredients must be proven safe and effective before they're allowed on the market. And what's that's actually not true. And what's even worse is the. FDA doesn't actually have the authority in a lot of cases to ban skincare ingredients even if they're strong evidence of them being dangerous so as an example. Oh you might have heard a lot of the news involving talcum powder and products that contain talcum powder things like makeup and baby powder are frequently contaminated with asbestos which is linked to cancer. There were a lot of court proceedings that found that one major company knew about this for decades and have they've now paid millions in damages. There's still lawsuits coming in for this. Believe there's actually over fifteen thousand lawsuits but here's the crazy part. You would think with all of that happening. This ingredient would be pulled from the shelves right like they would stop using it. That's actually not the case. They're still the same products are being sold in stores. Were still using baby powder on babies and it still causing harm so a lot of really interesting interesting Especially when it comes to the regulation of personal care products and it's not something we can fully trust the government or the FDA to regulate for us. And it's part of the reason that I'm I'm so dedicated in this new project too radical transparency so that consumers have full information to make these decisions. There's also the issue in the natural products world world of greenwashing so a lot of companies have gotten savvy to the fact that we as consumers want safer natural products for our families and this is great. This is writing. Ha's it of change and I've certainly seen a huge changes in the landscape of the market. Even just since I started this journey and you probably have to but not everything is as it seems the beauty industry especially is largely self regulated. And it's getting here. Companies can dress up labels with natural looking terms and a lot of them. Don't necessarily mean anything. They aren't regulated so even if they're using these terms that doesn't necessarily mean you can trust them on the flip side. There's also the misconception that if you can't pronounce is an ingredient then you shouldn't use it and I've even said this relating to food because in most cases I feel like we should eat ingredients. Not Food made with ingredients but in the personal care world. It's a little more nuanced than that so I always read the ingredients on any skin care products. And just because it's not pronounce doesn't mean an ingredient is necessarily the bat as an example Alpha-tocopherol may sound like a toxic chemical but it's actually vitamin E.. Shave butter is listed on a lot of product packaging as beautyrest Burnham Park and those are both natural products so when in doubt definitely do some research and like I said we go out of our way to make sure that we explain what the ingredients are are why are they came from why they're beneficial and important and show the sourcing because I feel like that. That level of transparency is the antidote to a lot of these problems that we're seeing in the world today so like I said to that end wellness. We are completely dedicated to radical transparency and honesty. And we believe that it's not only possible but but absolute essential to create products that are safe for humans and safe for the planet and this is something I've wanted to do for a really long time and I waited until I knew that we could execute both of those really really well because it wasn't willing to compromise on either one just to share a little bit about the inner workings in the mission. Because like I said I think you guys as consumers having this information is so important that will last we believe that well run. Businesses can have a huge positive impact on the world. And that's why we run wellness us with an unwavering commitment to our core values in every decision that we make and we run every decision through these criteria so first of all anything that we're going to put into any of the products has to be the highest quality will never compromise on quality and we will choose options that are best for both people on the planet and we make sure that every everything we formulate is human safe because we love we love you guys families who use our products and we want to make sure that all of the ingredients that we use are rated as safe by the the environmental working group so that you can rest easy knowing that your family is safe and on top of that. We combine the latest in scientific research with the best of nature so that we add beneficial ingredients into these products. So that they're actually doing good on your skin or your hair or in your mouth at the same time. We are unwavering in our commitment to be planet safe because because we wholeheartedly believe that products can and should be safe for both people and the environment at the same time and we take the planet into account with every ingredient which us in every decision we make. We WanNa make sure things are environmentally friendly and sustainable and we want to contribute to leaving our world a better place for our children and grandchildren and so we are committed to making decisions ends. That lasts longer than we will at the same time. If you've been a listener of this podcast you know that I am really big on community and the important role it has in all of our lives and I think it's truly one of the most important things we can do for. Our health is to nurture strong community so to that end we built it into the structure of wellness to support families is at every level of our business so in our decision making we look at it evaluate how the affect of the families of our team members the families of our customers and families in our local community Hannity and we believe that cultivating a strong community is one of the most important things we can do in this life and we work toward that goal in our company culture in our own families and in our local communities and as part of that we also give a percentage of time and profit to our local community organizations that support families or the environment we also have a unwavering unwavering in non-negotiable commitment to integrity and transparency. So I mentioned this a couple times but I never want anyone to have to wonder about the safety of our products or what we put in them. And I and you won't because we're going to tell you and show you this sourcing on the website and anywhere make it easily available and like I said we also are committed to thinking outside. Ride the box. We believe that it isn't just possible but essential to create products and solutions where the customer wins. The community wins. The Planet Wins and the company winds and so to this end. We spent a lot of time and money innovating and our uncompromising in sticking to these core values so to get into a little bit more detail about the products themselves. You've you've probably heard that much of what you put on your skin in your hair or in your mouth is absorbed into your body and into your bloodstream. It's the reason that we hear. Statistics like the the two hundred plus chemicals that many babies are born with already in their bloodstream because even in Utero many of these things from personal care products can cross into the blood. Let and so. This was something we looked at when we were formulating products and we kind of wanted to flip it on its head so like I mentioned in the beginning rather than just first of all the bad stuff which is a given we also wanted to put the beneficial stuff in into every ingredient in every product is chosen really carefully to be like. I said synergistic for your body and for the planet but also contain beneficial ingredients. I don't go through a few of those right now so in just about a week. Our January sixth. We're going to be EH. These products we available for the first time publicly on our website at wellness dot com. And at that time there will be five products available which will be toothpaste and then four. Different kinds ends of haircare so shampoo and conditioner for regular hair shampoo and conditioner for thick and curly hair. And I want to share in the In idea transparency. A lot of the thought that went into these products so the toothpaste is the first natural toothpaste that works like regular toothpaste. But that does not contain glycerin or fluoride. And like I said well. You didn't just avoid the bad stuff. So instead of fluoride are formula uses green tea leaf extract. which is really high antioxidants? And there's a phytochemicals in green tea that is shown to fight bacteria especially the bacteria called strep Newton's which leads to tooth decay we can bind this vital chemical with something called hydroxy appetite which is a naturally occurring mineral and the main component of tooth enamel to strengthen teeth and help avoid cavities. And the reason for this is twofold in. It's important so avoiding the glycerin. Let's these minerals connect to the teeth or easily which also has an inadvertent whitening effect and the green tea helps fight. Distraught mutants bacteria which helps keep a good balance of bacteria in the mouth and of course another goal of two faces to have fresh breath. We also use mint leaf extract in name. Name is another one because it prevents bacteria from sticking to the teeth and turning into it also does fight threatens as well so we tried to add ingredients that were beneficial official and uplifting minimalizing and also that would help the bacterial balance of the oral microbiome as well and so I said we also did well actually before we move onto haircare a little bit a story about why toothpaste I so probably twelve years ago now early on in my health dirty when I still had a lot of health problems homes and we're still trying to figure out what was going on with my health. I also had several cavities which is not uncommon when having several pregnancies in a row but I had several several cavities and was told I needed to have them filled and lyft happened and they got busy. And in the meantime I had started researching basically what causes cavities. How I could avoid lead them in the future and I came across some really fascinating research by Dr West and a price and by these doctors doctors? Melania has been wife team and and really delved into this entire world of the idea of re mineralisation and whether teeth could heal themselves and if so how that looked and this went down a huge huge rabbit hole for me of learning that teeth could indeed remain realize and I've confirmed this was several dentist pop guys who confirmed that Yes to a certain point. Teeth can unrealized especially if the cavity is not all the way through the enamel in Denton. And how this process works. So there's this kind of symphony of things that have to happen involving minerals minerals vitamins. Basically what's going in the body is important and also what's going on the body and I've written about this whole process quite a bit. I'll make sure those links are in the show notes But oral health has been a research topic for me for well over a decade. And I think that this information is just really starting to kind of penetrate the mainstream and I wanted to design a toothpaste. That was really easy to use for any consumer even one who maybe not as even into natural health at all that worked as well as what the experience they would have with a regular toothpaste but that supported that mineral process and supported those healthy fats. All the important things mouth needs so the toothpaste taste especially has been in development for over a decade. It's been through Bush my own work in working with a chemist formulation team. It's been through about ninety seven iterations and I'm really excited to have finally gotten this formula perfected and have no glycerin no fluoride and all those beneficial ingredients the same thing when it comes to hair so we didn't want to adjust avoid the bad stuff. We wanted to put the good stuff. In as well. So we use things like Carrington Keen Wa and Camomile to infuse moisture. An crate natural suds and to cleanse the hair and scouts of the hair stays smooth. We use of a pro vitamin B.. Five to moisturizers is hair and then I wanted to add in beneficial herbs so we use lavender which helps make hair silky and soft but also is been shown to be good for hair growth growth and for keeping her from falling and another ingredient. You may not have heard of yet but you might have a few read while the Pharma and that you'll grow to love is nettle leaf and I was really wanted to make sure we included meddle in our haircare formula because nettle is rich in both silica and sulfur which are known to support re growth and strengthen hair so sulphur especially as a component of Carrington which is the key protein that makes up our hair. And when it's used this lengthens the growing phase it's also been suggested that nettle leaf can help restore restore hair to its original color. And I don't have time supporting evidence for that and I haven't I haven't been back because my hair is it's original color but it's really fascinating to look at the research on the growing growing face so part of the equation of hair loss is what hairs are growing versus which here's arresting and have fallen out and so when you can lengthen the growing phase you basically upping the ratio of hair. That's growing to hair. That's falling out. which makes your hair overtime thicker? And so we include those things at all of the hair care and have innovated with some really the amazing natural sense as well. So there's an all hair formula and then there's also like I said the thicker or curly hair formula and the innovation doesn't stop there. We're going to continue releasing products next year. So if you can get on the VIP listed wellness Dot Com. You'll be the first to know about dry shampoo about sunscreen and that I'm really excited about that is reef safe and earth safe and works incredibly well a lot of the products that you may have seen on wellness. Mama will be available to purchase through wellness within the next year including like bug spray. skin-care at really excited for what I'll be able to share with you guys soon and we're also working on innovating constantly in packaging and in the company and it was really important to me that this company be a force for good enough force for families and a force for the planet so even the packaging were constantly constantly innovating in this and will continue to get even more ECO friendly and sustainable in any way that we can and this is something we have as a team. We are constantly looking for solutions for. We're currently using a sustainably. Sourced Sugar Cane that is carbon neutral on. That actually is safer for the planet that can be recycled and we explain a lot about that on the the website but even in the packaging. I wanted to make sure that we were playing it safe. And human safe in the name of transparency we are also something called a PBC which means public lick benefit corporate which basically doesn't need to the fact that we don't have to just look at profit because it's obviously not just about profit to us at all and we can evaluate things like doc customer safety and Planet Safety and the environment and all these things in our decision making and to this end we have applied for both certified B. Corp and to become e W. verified for all of our products and the website will reflect both of those once we get through the process but we are in process of them right now and we will be as such sharing hiring in being very transparent with our sourcing with our company. Like a charitable environmental aspects and initiatives that we include. And it's also it's important to ask like I said to be a force for good with people and with the environment so we have from the very beginning charitable donations built in into Organizations that support families and that support the environmental any purchase wellness is also benefiting both people and the environment in that way. It's like I said I am over. The moon excited to finally finally get to get these products in your hands. I can't wait to hear any feedback that you have and I can't wait to continue. Continue to bring things like this and to problem solve for families because like I said I think this is a a big need and one that hasn't been fully addressed and I think that in doing this we've created products that are really family safe really easy to use and that will hopefully also make a better place. And I'M GONNA keep this in this episode short but I just wanted to go through a quick review as well of some highlights of the last year and the last hundred episodes of this podcast which have flown by. It's it's such an honor. I'm so grateful every day that I get to talk to all of these amazing people and that actually have to call that a job and I wanted to share some of the ones that we got the most feedback on in case. You haven't heard them and if you're listening while you're driving or exercising I will make sure all of these are linked at Wellness Mama Dot FM. So you don't have to worry about finding them and while you're on the go but just hearing view podcast that is certainly really enjoyed. And that got tremendous feedback from all of you guys One that comes to mind immediately Louis was with Dr Kelly Brogan where she got very vulnerable about her dark night of the soul in her own journey over the last couple of years. If you're not familiar with Kelly. La She is a doctor who's worked with thousands of women and who stopped prescribing psychiatric medication and really began looking at the root cause with women rather than just prescribing prescribing. And she's been through as she shares in this podcast a really incredible personal and transformational journey over the last couple of years. That really seemed to resonate with a lot of certainly with me. And I got very vulnerable in this episode as well and shared a lot of what I have been through in the last couple of years and I think based on the feedback it was an episode that really resonated with a lot of you another episode. That comes to mind immediately is with Tina Anderson of just thrive probiotics. You guys really loved her. I love her both his friend and her company and that episode we went really deep about probiotics. What you need to know about them and some things that you maybe misconceptions ends that might be Having spent a lot of money on probiotics that aren't necessarily reaching where they need to in your gut. So for instance. A lot of people believe that refrigerated probiotics are our best and she explained how if it can't survive normal room temperature. It's likely not going to survive your stomach acid or the heater body and what kind of probiotics addicts actually can survive in the study. Show on how How what form of probiotics actually reach where they need to in the gut just talks about another nutrient in that episode assode that is linked to up to a seven year extension of lifespan and a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease and all cause mortality so very fascinating action-packed interview to also be linked in the show notes? I personally really enjoyed new guys. Apparently did to both of my episodes with Dr Chris Master John. You're not familiar with him. He is a researcher and one of the smartest people I have ever met. He has a great guide that goes into all of the different into pretty much every nutrient and he also does a free facebook messenger course on this on his facebook page. You can find that by searching Dr Chris Master John He gives gives an incredible number of practical tips in that episode including things like A neutral called Pantothenic. ACID can be helpful for those with certain types of Acne Nina's especially usually helpful for teenage boys and he explains it well but it something to do with on metabolize cholesterol and testosterone and. I wondered if that might also help. Why Hormonal Acne that was happening casually but during certain parts of my cycle and it completely resolved it so very practical action and tip packed episodes episodes from him? There's two of them and another one that probably I think. Got The most feedback. Both on site and on instagram was called else. Solving joint pain in wise. Sports aren't good for kids with hunter. Cook Hunter Fitness. And I know that last part of title is a little bit controversial especially sports sports. Not being good for kids but hunter really explains and this is something. He doesn't talk about a lot because he works more with adults celebrities and athletes but how those repetitive movements such edgy. Young Age can have really far reaching an unintended effects for these kids. He also talks about how we can actually properly care for our joints especially as we get older which I was really important and fascinating for me and I will say is hunter. Has something called cars. which are I believe controlled articulations of every joint with the idea that in order to get nutrients into the joint we have to create full range of motion of that joint and that we should be constantly working to protect and improve that range of motion and he has a system for doing that that I do every single morning and I'm also a member of his online community where he teaches classes but I have seen pin work absolute miracles of people and and would highly recommend that podcast especially if your kids play sports? Another personal favourite that got great feedback was with our whitten on fighting fatigue anxiety with the sauna. Lana on Horse Races and are two and sun exposure and this one is really far reaching and a little bit controversial. We talk about things. For instance like why. The Sun is actually necessary for health and how avoiding it can really really be problematic for a lot of people. We go deep on the many benefits of Sauna. And how there's there's really science backed benefits in a lot of different areas. We talk about macy's which if you're not familiar with it is pretty much. The idea that some types of stress are good for the body. And how how you can create those kinds of good stress in boy going into the bad stress territory so really interesting episode. I highly recommend there was one another controversial one with Dr Jolyon. Brighton called science backed reasons to ditch the pill in what to do instead. And she's one of the foremost researchers on female hormones and has helped thousands and thousands of women get off hormonal contraceptives with minimal side effects. And take charge of their fertility using natural methods. And she's just a wealth of Knowledge College. That episode is also packed with so much information. And she's here's both from her research and also from personal experience so if that's something that's relevant to you highly recommend that episode episode as well and lastly using the metabolism reset diet to support liver health with Dr Allen Christianson. Who is the first doctor who diagnosed let me with Hashimoto and began my journey toward healing? He's also the one that told me about eating Broccoli sprouts regularly for this four Fain and how that's beneficial to the body the I have learned so much from over the years and have had him on the podcast before multiple times This one was really really good because he breaks down. Why it's so important to support court liver health miliver master organ and we know it has far reaching affects the whole body but he really breaks it down and explains how and why to support liberal health and and also how to combat non alcoholic fatty liver disease which is on the rise in today's world really drastically on the rise? 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WM podcast to save two hundred dollars and lastly just to recap a little bit and to get a little personal for my back back for the past year and I would love to hear from you what your year has been like this one as you might imagine has been really busy for me with the growth of wellness and trying to get ready to release products. I have been on over seventy flights this year. Hey have been to believe. Four countries in twelve states of remembering and I've been through a lot of personal personal and emotional growth that led to an inadvertent fifty pound weight loss without changing anything else Including my died in my lifestyle which sounds crazy. I will do a whole podcast on that after the New Year. They're really elaborate. What that process was like? But it's it's been a year of a friction personal growth for me a press podcast guest. Aaron Alexander Zander. Had A great quote never wasted trigger. And I feel like that's been my motto of this year as a kind of had to tackle a lot of things that I was kind of ignoring suppressing emotionally early and all the things that came with that and that was pivotal to me in the physical transformation that happened inadvertently when I was finally able to steal the mental and emotional side Like I said I'll I'll elaborate that on that much more. But it's been a year of tackling fears and big challenges but that that As things start to calm down hopefully has had a really beneficial effect on me and a few highlights. I always love hearing highlights from people's years like I said if you want to reach out on social media or in the comments of this podcast I would love to hear highlights from your year. Mine started with a trip to Finland with forcing matic. It was kind of a research inexperienced trip. I've loved and worked with four spot for a very long time and getting to go to northern Finland in January was absolutely a highlight of a year and probably one of the experiences experiences that started the stretching of the comfort zone. Because I knew before we went that we were going to have to do a cold plunge and a sauna which I was really excited but also nervous about because while I do those things here we were going to be an Asana there that got over two hundred degrees Fahrenheit and we were then going to get into cold water they got that that was a negative twenty. Four degrees I believe are no twenty four degrees water negative twenty four degrees air temperature and the only reason why there wasn't frozen is that it was moving and they it cut a hole in the ice so that we could get into the water and was interesting for me. In that moment I was a little bit nervous about the cold but I figured I'd be okay with that. I was more nervous Chris in to face being on camera and being around other people in a bathing suit because a lot of the other people on the trip were literally instrument models and it brought up a lot of the insecurities and body issues that I have been trying to suppress for a really long time and conquering that getting in the cold water but more importantly Facing those body issue. I think really started a cascade of things. It would lead me to work through a lot of other emotional things as well. It's like I said more to come on that Also we got a chance as a family my husband and I take our kids to California with us for several weeks. We had a bunch of meetings back to back and so whenever possible. We try to travel with the kids then. We took our older kids to something called Expo West which is a huge share of natural products. And this was in research for wellness but it was also really fund to let the kids to be involved in the business and start to learn that world and then as far as travel goes in other highlight. I just returned from Cuba and that trip rip was really centering and I came home with just such immense gratitude. For how incredibly wonderful and easy we have life here and also just so much love for for the Cuban people who for all the politics aside they have really suffered at the as a result of all the political stuff and yet they are the so friendly so kind He felt completely safe and welcomed the entire time there and we got to hope and supported the Cuban people help the people there give some things to children and learn. NC The history there so that was an incredible trip that really just reminded me of how much gratitude we have for everyday life. I also this year have been on a journey to conquer fears and emotional struggles and so a big personal victory for me. This year was tackling something. That is a little bit hilarious Alaria but it was extremely scary to me which was learning how to sing. I have wished I could sing my whole life My parents are both partially deaf. So there really wasn't music in my house growing up and I didn't start listening to music until I was probably about ten and so it wasn't part of my kind of early childhood development and I never knew if I could sing. I was pretty sure I couldn't and I I was terrified to try and I always hope to. My kids would take voice lessons and had a moment earlier this year of realization of I want my kids to take voice lessons because I always wished I could could sing. Why don't I just take lessons and learn how to sing and that first day was really scary? Because I had no idea if I'd be able to do it at all and it's it's been one of the highlights of my year has been challenging. It's been wonderful. It's gotten me out of my comfort zone and as shout while funny part is so even though I was taking voice lessons. Yeah I never had ever had plans to sink public. I was planning on avoiding that till the day I died. And one of my dear friends just had a big birthday and her wish for her birthday was that we would all goosing. Oh Sing Karaoke and I. I tried everything to get out of it. I was like I'll just be your backup singer or literally. I would rather be waterboarded. I don't want to do this. I tried everything and she was adamant and so last weekend. I faced which sound hilarious allow but probably my biggest fear that I could imagine which was singing in public But it's been a fun year of conquering though spears and it's funny. How things don't seem nearly so bigger so scary? In hindsight this also been as part of that emotional and mental tackling pulling a journey into stoicism for me a little bit. I'll share some favorite books at a minute from this year and a lot of them are related to stoicism. But I've read a lot of Ryan holidays work and he has the daily STOIC and a couple of quotes that are really just kept recurring for me. This year are more foty and Memento Tomori and what those mean. A More T.. Means Love Your fate or love. What is and Memento Mori means? Remember that you will die and these kind of related but very different sentiments At this'll be a controversial comment but they will probably end up permanently inked on my body at some point soon because they've been so monumental for me this this year but the idea of Memento Mori just remembering that we will die in fact were in the process of dying every day and not taking life too seriously but also looking looking at how. What is the impact have with my life and what are the important things that are actually going to matter at the end and at least for me? That's meant things like time with my kids and making sure that I'm there for them and and help teach them inform them into adulthood got across lessons and important things before they leave which happened so quickly. The idea of a more fatty is to love your fate or to love what is and this one was more challenging to me because it it doesn't mean be okay with your fate doesn't mean accept what is if it's okay. It means truly actually love and be grateful for what is it's easy to do when life is wonderful. That's really hard to do when bad things. It's happened that we can't explain or we lose someone close to us or a relationship falls apart or anything. Painful happens and more fati speaks to the idea that we can't can't control the outcome and by trying to by holding onto that desire to control everything that happens we're actually only creating stress in our own lives and that still doesn't make us any more likely to be able to control it and we've also probably all had experiences where something that seemed horrible at a time ended up. Leading to or becoming impetus impetus for something. Incredible or there's things like perhaps it's bad thing. That happened prevented something worship happened and we will never know but a more fatty is just a reminder very centering entering reminder to me to love what is to love where I am to love every part of the journey and it doesn't mean not to improve just means to like truly love and be grateful and joyful fool for the moment that was always at so to that end some favorite books from this year as well and there have been some incredible book recommendations on this podcast in past episodes from guests. I would recommend checking those out but some of my favorites have been anything from Ryan holiday. He had a new book out. This year called stillness is the key which was incredible edible. He also has the books. The obstacle is the way an ego is the enemy as well as the daily STOIC In a daily journal and I really really like all of his work I think he's one of thought. Leaders of our time and his work is incredible so highly recommend anything by Ryan holiday other books that have really just had an impact on me. Not that I fully agree with all of them The four agreements That's been an important book for me for several years. I also read a book called the untethered Seoul this year and we'll I didn't agree with everything in it definitely was food for thought and helps me to think through and work through some inner things. I love the art of learning by Josh White Skin. And I I recommend audiobook of that that Tim Ferriss was involved in. It's a great audiobook. Integrate Book overalled and lastly the Align Method for movement which is a new book that just literally. It came out today that I got to read an advance copy of that really breaks down the importance of certain kinds of movement and daily life and dispel some of the myths related to movement. Because you got a lot of those in our current society so all that to say again. I'm so grateful to be excited to be able to share wellness with you. I'm so grateful that you have been here as part of this journey as a listener for as long as short as you've been here and if you have a second and would be willing to give me a dairy short and easy to minute. At Christmas present I would be so grateful if you would leave an honest rating or review on whatever device or APP. You listen to podcasts on so as I tuned spotify. Whatever it may be doing that helps other people find this podcast and I also read every single review in every single piece of feedback related to the podcast and hope that I can can continually improve and make this podcast better and better for you guys? So always love your feedback. Low would love to know who you'd like to hear from what I can do better and end what you think of the podcast overall. So please consider taking a minute to leave a rating or review and I'd be incredibly grateful and as an ending note. I just I want to say thank you for spending time with me today for any time that you spent time almost dot com or listening to this podcast. I know just have your time. Is I know how valuable time is for all of us and I'm absolutely honored that you would choose to spend some of yours with me. I hope that you have a wonderful year and that you will join me again on on the next episode of the Wellness Mullah podcast.

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Mike Mutzel - Why Keto Works: An Exploration of the Science

Collective Insights

48:44 min | 1 year ago

Mike Mutzel - Why Keto Works: An Exploration of the Science

"Hainer hawker community. Welcome to episode number forty eight of the collective insights podcast. My name is Jacqueline. And I've been doing the intros on this podcast for several months. Now, I wanted to finally introduce myself, I'm the one behind the scenes of the collective incites podcasts, helping to make all of these episodes happen. I want to thank all of you guys for listening. We're coming up on our two year anniversary of the podcast this month and we have over a quarter of a million downloads. Now, the neuro hiker community is so brilliant. Yes. That means you, we love when you guys leave us comments on social media or contact us through our website. There are so many brilliant minds, amongst our community of ninety thousand people. Do you know how big of an impact we can make if we come together and share about this amazing episode with Mike muscle? I'm setting a goal for us to get one hundred reviews on itunes and also to share this episode with a friend in this episode with Mike, we're talking about the Kito diet and also his awesome journey of growing up. Believing. He would be a failure going through addiction in his younger years to now, creating this beautiful community around his site, high intensity health and changing people's lives by making valuable health information, super accessible and understandable. So after you listen to this episode go to itunes to leave a comment, I wanna get a hundred meaningful reviews this episode contains awesome content. But we believe that real learning happens when minds get together when we participate. So let's do it. We want these episodes to be shared because they have the power to transform people's lives. So if you know someone who struggled with their weight or struggled with dieting, will you please share it with them? Also, if you or your friends that you share it with have questions about this content. Please leave them on our site at neuro hacker dot com slash Kito, and we'll work to get those answered by Mike on if you drop her. So I'm really looking forward to reading your reviews. So without further ado, let's jump into the show. Here's Heather and Mike. Welcome. Back to collective insights. I'm your host, Dr Heather Sandison. And I'm so excited to be joined today by my mic muzzle. Thank you so much for being here in my pleasure. Thanks for me on. So Mike has been interested in health and nutrition since he was young, all the while going through deep struggles and health and emotional challenges throughout his adolescence. He is. Now, the founder of a very successful content site called high intensity health, author of the belly fat effect a podcast or a youtuber, who shares complex science made understandable. So have to just let everyone know that I got a chance to meet Mike about six or seven years ago when I was a student at best year and what happened was that my roommate came home and she's like I met this guy. He's working for Zion Magen right now. And he is so smart, you have to come and meet them with me, and talk to him because he just has so much to share it and I wish that our instructors talked about the science like this, because it's so easy to get when he breaks it down. So I cannot. Overstate just like how good you are at doing that. And it's, it's really thrilling for me to have you here. Because when I met, you, you just had your first baby. And like, you know, life was kinda just getting started in these different directions. And now to circle back and see you again, like, thriving is just it's really, really fun. So, again, thank you for taking the time to chat with neuro hacker and and share your shades is so funny. I mean what a small world, right? I mean, I guess that goes to show that for those of us pursue like advanced degrees in this and we live this lifestyle. We try to make it a career and try to help other people because there's so many people in the world so super funny that, that, yes, we come back full circle years later. So you went onto study with IfM and Stu functional medicine and get the F MCP applying functional medicine and clinical practice. You have a biology degree a master's in its clinical nutrition. Right. And waited. Reggie do that. Yeah. That was university of Bridgeport in Bridgeport, Connecticut. So a good program, they have an NDA school, as well, there in that program is a little bit more, not so much dietetic focus when people hear about nutritionists. They think about registered dieticians, and that's a little bit more kind of hospital type carry a little bit more conventional shall we say, so. Right. And you took my the functional medicine path, which is so fun. We love that, obviously, so make after going through your struggles early in your life you now have created the successful brand, you've written a book that everyone loves you're, you're an inspiration. How did you get there? Can you tell me a little bit of your story? Yeah. Great question. Well, I mean, there's many ways that I got here, but it, but it came through a lot of like self-doubt struggle suicide. Asians long story short, you know, had a great upbringing, you know, in my parents got split up when I was about four years old lived with my dad in kind of a affluent area here in Washington in Bellevue, went to private school did really well, then moved to California with my mom and my stepfather, and my step brought my older stepbrother was going through some challenges. I got exposed to drugs now. Call it a very early age when I was nine so I, I went through this, like I did book reports and all this stuff is young kid to basically flunking school, skipping school getting involved in drugs, getting arrested twice before I was fifteen. And so I was like swayed, I do, like brain that I knew firsthand what it was like to have a terrible rain and feel like I couldn't remember anything, couldn't focus like couldn't relate with people, I was emotionally stunted from exposure to these things. And so, as you know, what I've been healthy before I didn't know I couldn't quantify what health was that. When I was fifteen and I was like, I'm going to get back to that. State and start with my body and start working out. And I realized that, like I was able to build self confidence, I was able to then talk to girls, I was super shy because the only way before, you know, between ages nine and fifteen that I could communicate with people was when I was, you know, under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Right. So anyway, long story short. You know, I think a lot of people have, you know, they were overweight, or they were depressed or were, they had anxiety, or whatever, like so. So mine was totally self inflicted, like yeah. Like I was the one, I got exposed to these things, but it's totally self inflicted, and I realized that no one's going to have a pity party for me. No one's gonna come. Save me the only person that's gonna get me to be the person that I want to be as me. So I realized that like my health is in my own hands. And, you know, I know some of us are delta, bad genetic hand and were predisposed to cancer at a young age or auto immunity or something like that. But I think a lot of us, sometimes we stay in this rut of disease, or depression, or, you know, lack of vitality. Because we think that someone doesn't understand me. Or these might parent my spouse, my teacher my brother, my whoever my boss. They just don't get me the they didn't have my struggles. But, but I just realized that like feeling that way like killing myself is not going to solve the problem. The only way that I'm gonna solve my problem is do the work and I saw instant changes, like changing my diet. You know back then my stepmother was actually into Atkins. So we, you know, she was like getting these low carb bars, and we start cutting out carbohydrates. I mean, I'm not in any way saying that I've been Kito since like the nineteen nineties, but she she influenced me and she introduced me to a chiropractor who got me lifting weights and, and he was, like back when I was fifteen after I got arrested the second time I clean, my life up. And he was like, look, you gotta do lunges you gotta squat. You gotta do these full body with exercises and over twenty years later. Now, I'm like, that's what I preach to clients, because we see so many people in especially women in their late thirties or bodies change after kids, and they kind of panic, and do more and more cardio in it. It causes like the, the adverse. That they want they wanna burn that sometimes catabolism muscle and so forth. So anyway. Long story short. You know, it comes from self-doubt feeling like crap. Honestly, wanted to kill myself to okay? The only way I'm gonna get out of this is if I make continuous small little improvements every day. So I wanna go couple directions at that, when I really wanted to get into that Akito with you today before we go there. We've all experienced struggles. Right. And I think you're very relatable in that way, you've also built a business very successful business. You've written a book. Those are big things to bite off. What keeps you going? What are the tools that you've used that really get you through the struggles and onto the other side so that you could become successful. Yeah. So that's a brilliant question. You know, one of the things that I've won the tricks that I play on my own mind is, I realize it like if I'm tired, where I'm fatigued when I'm feeling lazy. I realized that other people are hurting, and what I mean by that I feel like we're all on this planet to serve other people, and we all had this unique gift and everyone's gifts for said different. That's what makes a world, so unique, and I feel like that we need to act on these gifts to get more gifts. And it's you know, it's kind of this thing if you look at, like, I hate to relate this to money. But if you look at, you know, you see sometimes rich people get more rich and more wealthy and people that are out there, giving serving, you know, people in our own space, Marquette. In other people it's like how, how do they write another book? How are they in this docu series? How are they starting this other business? And I think you. They really you. And I know these people they come from a place of giving, and serving and they feel held or called to do something, and dots, the what I leverage, I don't know if I'm called to do this, but I know that, you know, I really enjoy this and people benefit. And so if I ever feeling unmotivated tired, fatigued, whatever I just think about how many people are not benefiting from that. And I write it down in the morning used Brennan, Bouchard's plan or he has a great plan or it's on Amazon. His name is Brendan Bouchard. He wrote the motivation manifesto, a bunch of other great books. And so that's just one thing that I leverage, and I do the same thing as it comes to health, right? Like there's times that I don't wanna meditate. There's many times, I don't wanna exercisers times, I don't want to eat healthy, there's times, I'd rather drink alcohol than not, right. And I think okay we'll what would the person that I want to become like my future self, what would that person do, right? Because we all should be continuing to grow. And also, I think about my daughter's the most important person in my life and. Well, would my daughter want her father to be drinking or sleeping in or doing whatever? And so it's a way to just kind of reframe. I think a lot of struggles and times would motivation with Dr, you know, just part of humanity and we need to constantly have all these, like, backup plans and remind to trick ourselves. And I think the biggest thing again is just realizing that all of us have this gift, we need to use it to help other people. And when we're being lazy playing video games. Whatever watching TV we're not helping other people. So that's what drives me, let fantastic till set. So one of the really big topics that you talk about in your podcast on your YouTube videos in your book, as well. And the number one question, we probably get Israel, Kito, SIS and fasting. So I just wanted I've deep into that. Tell me everything. Sure, yeah. I mean, there's so much to it. You know, in, in one thing that got me really excited about the ketogenic diet. And we can't talked about my past was how defects the brain. And all of you are very. Interested in, you know neuro physiology and some of the metabolism within the brain, neurotransmitter profiles. But as. Who was used in alcohol gun, a lot of, like, fist fights and stuff like fights with my older siblings like I'm concerned about my brain health and mild, cognitive impairment, and T to a certain extent. So when I started to really dive into the neuropharmacology of nutritional Kito sus, and some of the some of the epi genetic in neuro, epi genetic effects. Meaning so a lot of us know that we have jeans. Right. But we sometimes forget that there's this kind of software. That's really governing the hardware of our genes and not software is the epigenetics, and we can influence just like you know, we open up our iphones or computer it says, hey, you need an update. You know. Well, we can update the EPA genetic software that control, which genes are expressed or not expressed. And it turns out that the main Kito metabolite bid address you bid rate, people know this as exogenous key tones that HP and so forth. That is an EPA genetic modifier it affects his tone set election, which really at the at the kind of the. The, the crux of how genes are turned on or turned off has to do with this other wheel called the history and the Astle groups control the relaxation of that in there for gene expression so long story short. The ketogenic diet is not just like swapping out, one macro for another in your bloodstream like, well, you're just cutting out one and it's, it's, it's a little bit more than that, and that is what got me very excited. And so it has to do with the signaling pathways, the ser- to ins brain drive note, traffic factor and all the kind of downstream metabolites that occur through the signaling imparted from key tones namely bid uterit-, but we're finding I should say, we scientists are looking more at how a cdo acetates so called the mother molecule, the mother Kitaen molecule, how that also affects gene, signaling. And I will say just acetyl Coa, or attitude groups in general, which are kind of the intermediary between free fatty acids that are light belied from your. Our fat stores or from our diet, and then those in themselves have signaling properties as well. So it's not that glucose is inherently bad. It's just that when we and it's all a matter of proportions, you know, even if you're fasting for four days, you're still utilizing glucose, right? I mean glucose Genesis is occurring. It's just a matter of proportions. And when we start to become a little bit more fat adapted and pivot more and we get less. Hang -gree, we're going longer between meals and, and, you know, able to feel okay and thrive on that that's associated with a metabolic signature, that's characteristic of these, you know, EPA genetic and metabolic signaling pathways that are very favourable. And I think particularly when it comes to brain, health and neuropharmacology mood and affect. I think that's the big thing that is, is really kind of important, because a lot of us don't realize it even depression. There's glucose changes in different glucose utilization within the brain. In, in neuro transmitter profiles. And I think, you know, this is a great metabolic neutral therapy that has these translate of effects, particularly, you know, beneficial for the brain. Do you think that this question is fully answered do you think the science has has completely answered that he going into ketosis and eating kiddo? Adapted is positive for the majority of people are there questions that you would still like to see scientists ask yet asking getting answers to your really good about presenting the science and a lot of your videos, what lingers for you, if anything. That's a brilliant question new, I think I think there's some bio individuality, particularly in the rate, limiting enzymes agent, Coimbra dot days. H G Koei cynthia's involved with the miliver that are responsible for taking dietary fat or body fat and packaging that into a key tone. And so we know individuals. I'm just gonna say those enzymes might be familiar to people because that's where statins act, right on the. A very similar. So these are these downstream, pathways that are basically responsible for they're involved in lipid synthesis in cholesterol, synthesis. And yeah in so there, there's different will because single nuke visit different polymorphism or variability, there's flavors, everyone has a different unique flavor. And so I think for some people, it can be challenging. And so we do hear people say, we'll try to intimate and fasting. I try Kito SIS and ended up in the emergency room. You're like, really how could that possibly be? And so if we don't get a comment and rising key tones associated with glucose reduction upon fasting or eating low carb high fat diet, then basically, we don't have enough energy in the system. It's like trying to drive your car through the Alps with no gas. You're just knocked to be able to do it because, you know, we need to the brain needs. Either glucose, Ricky tones, yet, because we can't directly in it's kind of interesting how this works, you know, because the brain can use fat it just can't directly utilize fatty at free fatty acids from the bloodstream. Need to be kind of packaged on payload and convert within the kind of batch your question. There's definitely individual characteristics here in terms of the, the metabolism, but also it's not like all Kito diets are the same, right? Like we can measure key tones by eating ham, cheese and junk, you know or week. Yeah. Bake or we can have, you know, free range eggs, egg yolks. We can have almonds avocados, you know, salmon. Right. So there's I think, you know, the diet, the public feels that the kid genyk dotted, just like this one thing, and the only thing that matters is having Heike tones, and I think we're going to learn a little bit more over time kind of about the nuances of that. And because there's many people that are in ketosis trying to lose weight, but they're like gaining weight or they're not losing weight, like they think so I think there's a lot of nuances here that scientists over time we'll be able to help us better figure out and I don't know if that's going to be new test. Technology. We're looking at, you know real time insulin. But I you know, I the Tako message here is, I think everyone needs to experience some sort of self induced food restriction through time restricted feeding or intermittent fasting. That's a natural way that lends itself to the, the neuro pharmacology in the metabolic signatures that are characteristic or synergistic with Akita genyk died. You know, a lot of us, you know, have a tough g deficiency from just eating all the time, right? Like we're just constantly eating over three hours and that's not good for brain health. So I think a lot of us can benefit. You kinda pick all you know, you're fasting plan does your, you know, is it sixteen aid is twenty hours fast for hours, eating whatever it is based on your your history your metabolism your goals. Right. Your lifestyle, but I think a lot of us need to start there then it's like, okay. Well, you know how much carbs restriction, do I need my overweight at my pre diabetic to have diabetes in my family, and my an athlete like do. Have concussions like there's a lot of variability there. And I think that's where working with nutritionist. Doctors nature pass things like that help people to really customize this because it's not just like, oh, you're in ketosis. Okay. You're good to go right? There's a little bit more to the story. Yes, they do you recommend that people get Akito meter. I have, you know, my clinical practice, lots of people interested in this and I struggle to kind of decide what's the best way to protect for each person, and absolutely. I couldn't agree with you more. I think there's a lot of variability have this type a patients who are like I want every metric I can possibly get. And so they're going to order, the Kito meter, they're going to be looking at blood glucose and. Track all of it, and send me the excel spreadsheet, and then the other people who are, like, just tell me what to do. I don't want to know anything else. Do you have a place that you start or resources that you can point people in the direction of in terms of just where where to get started? That's a great point. You know, I think checking your glucose in keystones together periodically and I like people do this first thing in the morning, you know, right after a meal see finish eating check for things were at then length kinda follow. You know, the glucose tolerance test. But instead of, you know, eating a bunch of crappy eating your normal meal. So what you're doing is you're, you're testing your diet in real time. And obviously, there are some imperfections to just looking at glucose in key towns. But if you look at them together, I think it gives you an insight into how your body is processing the food that you're eating, because we know that, you know, cardiovascular disease, atherosclerosis cancer, these aren't phenomenon of fasting there, phenomena of the post meal, post-prandial window. And so we need to kind of see how our body is processing food. And so, I think it, it, it is a good idea. And I think you know, maybe I'm biased here. But I think part of the success of the ketogenic died is because for the first time people are then acutely aware of what is affecting their key tones in there. Glucose because oftentimes, these Kito meters also test glucose in now. More people are becoming aware of this. So I think people are realizing. Wow. Even though that was gluten free cupcake or whatever. Right. It tanked Mikey tones in there are kind of curious like wonder why that is would if I you know, have an avocado instead next time for example, or when I stayed up all night on Friday night, partying drinking wine. You know, my glucose was like one thirty the next morning. What the heck right? And so, I think there is some insights to, you know looking at the quantified self, right? But I don't think that we can make total extrapolations about this. You know. So I practice, I've had like husband and wife will decide to do it together with I think, is a fantastic idea if you have a partner who's doing this with you, especially if you tend to eat your meals together to be doing it. Together makes it so much more accessible and easier to implement but there are even nuances between them. So I had a classic has been wife came in. And he would be kicked out of Kito says when he had zucchini, and she wouldn't she would stay in ketosis. So there's all this individuality in terms of how people respond and is there a way to understand what's going on for you personally without the keystone meter or the Connor. That's a great great question there. You know. So what I look at harbor ability as well. So could you know, and quantifying sleep with ordering so that's something we've been doing for number of years now. So I so. That's, that's what else we look at. You know, I mean there's other other tests, you can use for harbor variability there's the first beat their support unit. There's lead HR V. So for a while I was doing that. First thing in the morning, my heart rate variability, but now just, you know, rely upon that were a ring 'cause the elite HIV is much as I like it, sometimes it wasn't sinking with my phone and things like that. So but then the other proxy that I look at that is free is strength. And so I, I like to that's why encourage people to have some sort of recreational activity that they really enjoy. That's kind of quantifiable, so that can be plots, that can be yoga, that can be weightlifting cross fit powerlifting, whatever, you know, because, you know that if you're in that downward dog when you're doing yoga, and it's really tough and your shoulders are shaking something's wrong. Like you're under eating. You didn't get enough sleep. Something is wrong. Right. Or if you're trying to do a bench press, and you can normally do two hundred pounds. But now you can only do one hundred eighty like to me, that means something is wrong. So that's why like to encourage people to figure this stuff out. And that's not a huge fan of just going on the treadmill or going on the cardio, elliptical and kind of watching TV and moving around, because there's really no way, unless you're looking at the wattage, which is a direct power output that you're putting into that exercise. You can't really directly quantify that. So that's another proxy that I that I use. Frequently it's like if my strength is going down. Something is wrong. And it gives me a good insight. It's like okay. Well, maybe anymore carbohydrates. Maybe I'm over training. Maybe my diet, you know eight too late and didn't get into good enough sleep. Right. There's a lot of different things. But that's just one really accessible one that you don't need any tools for ways to get some feedback without it being like a meter that you have to order, and then have strips, for at all that. And then, and so you are talking about exercise here. Is there a way to get benefit from the? Kito from ketosis from ketone diet and not exercise. So can you do one or the other and still get benefit? Or do you really need to do? Both died an exercise. It's such a great question, because there's a lot of people that are not low-carbon Kito at all. And they off Heike tones, because they exercise so it's it doesn't mean that one doing one obviates the need to do the other. I think we all. Ideally. And if you look at hunter gatherer people industrialized humans they walk. They garden, the work with their hands. So I think exercise is kind of built into our DNA. It's or I should say movement in general is hardwired into, and it's indelibly inked into our humanity blueprint. Right. So we need to be moving and I think exercise, why I don't think I know exercise can enhance an augment- ketosis in fasting. So if you're gonna do a twenty four hour fast, and you do a hike in the morning, for example, you're going to be in ketosis right away. You're gonna deplete your glycogen. It's going to accelerate all the benefits of fasting. People are trying to enhance Tofte g right through fasting, but actually there's a ton of data in human showing that exercise is a much better Tofte g than hands enhancer than fasting more minute docu and have you health about a tough itchy? So what is it? Yeah. So I mean it literally translates into a self digesting in Greek so Tofte Jesus Siler process that it's very nuanced. You know, there's glycol g nuclei g mytalk you. There's all these different subtypes of tough G, but a lot of us are interested in, in this as a way to kind of get rid of damaged Oregon, Nells damage tissues, optically for people that are optimizing brain health, our brain, our neurons can accumulate proteins, and protein addicts in that can lead to neuronal degeneration. And so we want to be able to snip those damaged proteins, recycle them. Reuse them or get rid of them as waste. So this is a really hot topic. I feel like a Tofte g now is where Kida was back in two thousand sixteen like it's just growing like crazy, and it's all linked in inner connected with fasting. So. In a long story short. There's a lot of different ways. We can enhance a tough Aji. We can take rapamycin, which is an M tour. Inhibitor 'em Tor when it's activated. Suppresses Ataf Aji. So if you inhibiting tour, it's thought that you can up regulate off g and so long story short. Basically, you know, there's a lot of different ways that we can undergo or enhance Tofte g part of it is glucose restriction, so we can drive down or glucose with things like metformin with Burberry in with a low carb high fat diet with exercise with fasting. There's a waste gonna drive down a glucose and kick start fatty acid utilization. And part of that, that acid dualization is mediated through toffee. But what's interesting is, you know, when we go to yoga when we go to plot, as when we lift weights, and we get sore that sore feeling the so so-called adaptations that enable us to be stronger for that neck are often, so you or muscles literally are indirect proxy of. Toffee. And so that's what's super exciting cities. There's been a lot of different studies in humans that have looked at different. Toffee initiating proteins in serum, and in white blood cells. And they found that exercise is a reliable way to enhance a tough g now a lotta people say, well, was in there that guy in two thousand sixteen I think the Japanese Menem forgiving. His name at the moment he published studies on fasting. And so a lot of people think that fasting is like the only way to enhance this protective process, that's associated with longevity. But again, there's many ways to go about this, and that's why I think fastens great. But also you need to exercise as well. Because if we look at the amount of data we have an exercise in humans compared to the amount of data. We have when it comes to enhancing tough g through fasting. It's weighted in favour of exercise and not to say that fastenings bad. Just if you wanna be really evidence-based about this exercise is a wonderful way to enhance a tough, gene. And one of the things that Daniel who's here at heck collective, we talk about this model of meta. Listen, we're thinking about any dysregulation really stems from too much or too little of something, and you can have two little stress. So if you don't have enough movement, or stress on the on the system in that way, then you're not gonna have balance, you're not. You're going to have a distributed system at some point, and having these stressors at either end of either of calorie consumption, or of movement, or even of oxygen consumption can really create a body that can can adapt to the environment, and that resilience is what equated with health. So it sounds like the tough Adji is an senescence with another where that I think is related here that you hear more and more lately this process of killing off the cells that maybe aren't serving you anymore and making room for those youthful. Good healthy. Well, communicating well-functioning cells is my understanding you correctly. I understand the same thing. Right. So if you think about just what you said, right? People have some unmet needs. So, for example, if I just sit on my couch obey order ubereats in pizza, and everything like that. There's no real demand to make my muscles stronger. There's no demand to get rid of excessive protein accumulation in my brain. So there's, there's no hormetic stress. And so that's the thing where people here in associate or, you know, confused dress as being bad. But, but the exercise like doing podcast like this getting up on stage in front of people doing Toastmasters, whatever it is. You know, that's positive stress that leads to growth and at a patient and positive change. And so, I think you know, this kind of army cysts where Mesa's yelich, a little like a low dose poison, if we look at all the quote unquote, superfoods, the polyphenyls, the blueberry, pro anthocyanins, we look at Rosemary garlic Alagic acids, so forfeiting in a lot of people think, oh, they're so protective be like, well, how are they protective their inducing mild hormetic stress like within the cell that indeed? Uses a and r f two which is an antioxidant response element in. So it's kinda funny. Like how exercise you're like we'll wait exercise increases. Interleukin six is an interleukin six linked with cancer like. Well, yeah, but in, in a in a chronic up regulation of interleukin, six dries inflammation, but short term adaptive leads to favorable changes. So I, I love that analogy that too much or too little, I think a lot of us, you know, I learned from sid Baker, and he always talked about how some people have this, you know, disease like some unmet need or something. They need to get rid of. Right. So that can be too much of something too little of another thing. And so I think a lot of people need to, to kind of think about that route caused because even in the context of toffee too much fasting is problematic certain cancer cells thrive on a toffee certain viruses in in, you know, different immune stressors and things like that. Inhibit off you're up regulated toffee to evade the Munis termite. So it's not like even if we think about this cool thing that everyone's excited about right now having that chronically elevated is, you know, problematic, so context matters and said, Baker, that's great. I mean, stress that he is somebody who has popularized. Introducing parasites into the system as a way to balance the immune system. And I mean, I can't think of really wanted an another. Therapeutic controversial therapeutic treatment that Wade. Be a little bit counter intuitive kind of like what we're talking about this, this stress on the system. But ultimately leads to more regulation and balance. Yeah. And for people that are super interested in that the great book, epidemic of absence, Mozambique's, ballots, quals man off. It's a complex thing. But he his whole thing is like we were exposed to all these parasites and stuff growing up in rat feces and everything like that. So immune system be able, like became tolerant of that, and that would now that we've taken that away system. No, it's enter what turns onto our own self tissues. That's a great way to kind of refrain this, and understand that, like, you know, we're living our life out of balance. And a lot of us, you know, just like we've all with parasites in bugs and everything like that we evolved to move and to a lot of us are not moving. And so therefore, we're getting these cardio metabolic aberrations that manifests really an affect our brain, which is pretty scary, yet, that is a fantastic, but he takes sort of a journey around the world making is this epidemic. Logical data about how parasite they're good for us, which is counterintuitive and you know, we spent so much time thinking that bugs are. Bad and it it's entertaining. It's well, written. And I think a great idea to share. The biggest challenges that people typically face when changing their diet. What do you see come up? You know, I think the biggest thing is meal frequency. And so the, you know, a lot of people come at this from hearing about, you know, the nineteen nineties thousands dietary advice, you know, like if you don't have protein never to three hours up, you're going to basically, fall apart, and, and you need to stoke your metabolic flame with food. And so I think that, you know because fat is digested a little bit differently than carbohydrates and proteins in. We need bile, it takes much more time. You know there was one study. It's you find you would find the super interesting these Canadian scientists radio isotopes Paul medic acid in, in some food. I can't remember what fatty food. So they were able to see how it was metabolize and so forth. And how long was taken to metabolize and they found that this Paul medic acid from just one by comer. What type of food it was in the Interros sites of the gut for twenty four hours after meal and other radio isotope label carbohydrate. Are long gone. Like they're in the muscle during the fat like they're long, gone after twenty four hours. So the table message is if you're switching to Akita genetic died, do you need understand that you need to compress? You're feeding window and not eat so much frequently right? So it's going to be a one or two meal a day, maybe three at most. Right. But it can't be Kito breakfast or Kito coffee, Kito breakfast, Kito, snack, Kita lunch. Like that's not gonna work that will lead to weight gain indigestion, you know, issues related took all bladder bile function. So I think that's the biggest hiccup is like when you make the switch. It's like you're implementing some aspect of time shifted feeding and your changing your diet, all at once 'cause I made that mistake, and I was having, like an avocado nuts first knack than I just feel bloated. And I were looking at each other back in two thousand fifteen like this Kato thing kinda sucks in, then we started kind of think about started to dive into the research, and I found this lab that was talking about this second meal effect in all this how fats takes so much longer to break down. And I was for me. That was a lightbulb moment. But then I started to interview all these people at that time and so forth. And everyone was like, yeah I'm just doing one meal a day. I'm just doing two meals at 'em like wow, they're doing it. Ought like unknowing of this Antic data from these Canadian scientists. So that's, I think the biggest takeaway. And I would say trying to eat a little bit seasonally and not be too dogmatic about it. You know as people listen to this. It's probably going to be early middle summer. And look, if there's butternut squash is coming in season or blueberries or whatever you don't need to be a hero. You know, you don't need to be I'm Kito all year round. I think there we need to have a little bit of flexibility. We know from animal model, data hibernating, bears, and different animals are microbiome in metabolism can't changes with the season. So I think you know, having a little bit more flexibility is key. And, you know, so people are naturally up longer. They're more active in, you know, in the summer in the spring, and so forth. So can make sense you can afford a little bit more carbohydrates. But those are the two things. Think of the biggest, you know, in my practice I typically tell people that I don't want them to be stuck in ketosis forever. I want them to go back and forth and had this dynamic ability to respond to the environment, again, this medic affect and be able to burn both fat and burns sugar when, that's when that is reasonable for whatever's going on can you speak for or against that, do you think that's a reasonable recommendation to make? Is there literature that says, otherwise that maybe people should be in ketosis forever? That's a great question. You know, I don't think anyone really knows. But, but it shouldn't be makes a lot of sense to me of based on the changes of the seasons, and so forth. And, you know, I mean there is this interesting data coming out about metabolic flexibility in that we kind of lose that ability to pivot back and forth. And you know, if you aren't Kito sus for a long time, it doesn't mean that you're going to be unable to utilize glucose for fuel. But I think that it just, you know, it's so new in the sense, like even if we, let's just take a step back and just say the power went out and. We, we, we live north of California. How are we going to get off Accoding and nuts and seeds in, you know, all these Kito foods right during certain times of the year? So I think part of it is, we need to be a little bit more flexible with that. And but, but that being said, I think if someone has a disease, right. Someone has automated and he's as a symbol as. C T E Alzheimer's. Then that's where it's like maybe you limit that flexibility a little bit and consider this, like a medical diet. And then hopefully you can remediate things in and introduce more flexibility over time. But I think I'm onto your point. First of all, you know, it can be boring Ellwood any diet long-term. It gets boring. I love avocados, but there's days where I'm like, man, I can't have another Ayako. So I don't have that problem. Right. The labs. So one of the other things that's come up for me clinically. Is that the labs go haywire? And if somebody's seeing a conventional physician and not cholesterol level that total cholesterol level starts to creep up over two hundred as they're adapting their doctor wants to put them on statins. Is there some new wants to the way to interpret lab work while you're going through this while you're kind of starting to get into Kito adapted lifestyle? And even like years into it. How do we interpret these labs? Yeah, this is a great question. You know, Dave Feldman is an engineer who's come at this from kind of a beginner's mind, basically, and has some really compelling did has thousands of people submitting their cholesterol levels, and all that. And so, yeah, it there is going to people are going to look like they're, you know, going to keel over of congestive heart failure, but he's actually uncovered a lot of the raw data. So the interesting thing about medicines. We see study we see the pretty statistical analysis in the charts. But we don't see the raw data, and he actually has uncovered the raw data from the N Hanes data's thousands of data sets stratified them for age and all this, and, you know, the really, you know, in even looked at there's only seven centenarians in an Hanes status at, but the six out of seven had high LDL cholesterol, by the way. So it's, it's kind of interesting like the should we be so scared about the high total cholesterol, high LDL if and only if these criteria are met and at trigly-. Roger low H L is high. And so in those contexts is LDL problematic against what you have low triglycerides, like trigger strides. Under eighty I think is kind of cut point h gel over sixty I believe it could be round there. But, but higher HDL lower triggers tries, then it's like LDL high LDL is not necessarily problematic because it's kind of this whole metabolic symphony. And he has some really I've interviewed him. He's got some great videos of people are interested in this. But, but yeah, so I think that's instead of just looking, you know how allopathic doctors like to look like to look at one little mechanistic biomarker. And then, you know, their toolbox is intervention drugs are surgery. Right. So I think people need to be a little bit less skeptical of that and realize how take into consideration how they feel how is energy Hauser body composition. How are the other biomarkers in context of this so-called atherogenic marker? And so, yeah, it's gonna look different but and then also, I think. You know, it's interesting for people to instead, start to do postprandial blood work and start to look at how are their lipid levels in the post-prandial window? And I think that's kind of where I've been following this research since two thousand nine, I think there was a consensus paper that said, you know what, you know, heart disease is not this, you know, like I said earlier, it's is it occurs. In the post-prandial window, atherosclerosis hardening on the coronary artery collusion is from, you know, damage after a meal. So why are we doing fasted lipid tests? And so, I think even my mom, she got her blood work through Kaiser the other day. She was like, Mike, you wouldn't believe it just like the doctor told me not to fast. I was like she's like, it's the first time like in, like twenty years, and I was like, really that is so cool. So it's actually becoming more mainstream realizing that, you know what we're getting false positives from people fasting for twelve or fourteen hours. They're looking squeaky clean, when really their metabolism could be a train wreck. So keep that in mind as well. Yeah. I think we. It the milk study. I remember reading about people who consume a milkshake so high fat very high fat, very high sugar that the, you can see the hiding of the arteries, so you can see a clue Zhen, and the diameter of where the blood is meant to flow gets smaller. So that's essentially what leads to a heart attack, or a stroke is not getting blood flow through the capillaries and right after having high fat high sugar. That's exactly what happens to some degree in everyone. And if you have that ask atherosclerotic plaque there than it's even more dangerous. Right. So how fascinating that? Somebody Heiser is starting to look at those postprandial lip with apples and sugar insulin. Of course, we've been looking at that for a long time. Wondering how the body is reacting with certain inputs assassin. Both. They're probably relevant, right? Both fasting and post-prandial putting them into context, and having enough data and enough information. So that we know what that means. And I Don I don't know that we do right now. Yes, you're right. I mean, maybe it's a conversation for another time, but they, they were talking about the cutoff point for reckless rides, post-prandial triglycerides. You don't want them north of two hundred and so that would give you an idea that, you know, so if that person with the high LDL when they go Kito, if they're like, well, okay, you know, maybe it is a little bit high fasting, but what, what do I do after say, ninety minutes of bulletproof coffee, or some sort of Kito meal? And if there's not this sort, so-called, post meal, hyper lipid -demia than maybe it's not so much of a problem. So I think, yeah I hadn't heard that. Thank you. So what if somebody falls off the wagon so Hardee's birthdays, summer trips? You know, these things happen, the holidays. Oh my goodness. I've got so many patients that come in January. Like I write I fell off. I enjoyed Christmas. What do I do? Now. So what are you suggest? You know, it's a great, great point. You know, a friend of mine, Mark Bell. He just talks about putting points on the scoreboard. Right. So look, you know this all happens to us means sometimes we stay up late and watch Netflix than we feel terrible. The next morning like we screwed up sleeping on look. Just get some small wins go for a walk just just try to do something and put some points on the scoreboard. And, and over time those all those small points will add up to a big win. And so I think that's the thing like we're gonna make mistakes like we're gonna follow off. We're, we're going to go be with people that are not on the same wavelength, and we'll be tempted it, look it happens as part of being human, but, you know, just try to try to do something like we talked about earlier, like reframing like when you're fatigued, or you're tired, or you don't want to build your business, or whatever, you know, just think you have to have little tricks in little little trip wires built in. So if you know you're gonna go to a friend's house, and there's a lot of alcohol lead of junk food, maybe have a little bit of weight protein, shake beforehand, have improve your tidy have some MC, MCTL, potentially like to go out what's going to work for you to help blunt that. And then also keep in mind. Your long term goals riot. So why are you doing kiddo in the first place and try to link that with something big like doing this for my business? I'm doing this from grandchild. I'm doing this for to prevent whatever. So then you think about okay. Well is eating this cheesecake or pizza or drinking three bottles of wine or whatever it is, is that going to, how's that going to affect this big goal at I have an oftentimes, the short term gratification of whatever that food or alcohol is not greater than this big goal, or big dream, we have. So again, it's all these little tricks. You gotta play with yourself all the time. Little hacks that you're sharing. Thank you, any other hacks, that you used to improve, your metabolic health eve, talked about diet, hostess, this mindset exercise. What's your relationship with sleep wake? Yeah. So I just got the gravity blanket. Have you with us? It's been a game should your. Yeah. So I mean sleep is so me, I noticed whatever forever. My brain how it works. Like if I get bad sleep. I totally noticed. It comes through in my articulation my speech, my word retrieval is totally tanks of sleeps, very important to me, a mouth taping is a big one. So the neuropharmacology the physiology of that is when we're in Remm sleep. All of our muscles become paralyzed including your tongue. And if you're just hanging, your mouth is wide. Open your Tom collapses on your airway. So by taping her mouth with some three m Mike reported or Saami, fix basically, you're in training, your brain to learn to breathe through your nose. And so that winger, and Remm sleep, you're not becoming paralyzed and, and hypoc. So that's unique up the gravity blankets amazing. I know financial relations with this company, but basically, it's like this twenty five pound blanket. And you feel like you're kind of in the in your moms womb, I guess, is the biology of men. My Renan deep sleep has been off the charts. So that's huge, just good old-fashioned sunlight. You know we have. Chickens and pigs. So the first thing I do in the morning after waking up and having some salt water is go out and let them out and feed them barefoot, and then we have a little just a cold plunge. It's only a hundred dollar like a hundred and ten gallon. Trough. It's like for like feeding animals. Whatever you can go to tractor supply store. Just ask them for one hundred ten gallon trough. So I just jump in that and sucks. Every day doesn't get better and like this morning. I really really didn't wanna go. And so that's just another thing like it meant to the mental trick is like, if I can jump in exists been really cold here in Seattle recently for some reason, Viking get into this freezing cold water right now. Like the rest of my day, like there's no Email, there's no phone call. There's no podcast is can be more challenging than that, right? So these are all like inexpensive things. Backyard chickens or cost six bucks chicken, like it's super inexpensive. He can walk barefoot. It's cheap jump in the cold water. So those are those are the things that I like to do, so, you know, as many of your listeners probably know a good night's sleep. Really kinda starts with like what you do in the morning. Your summit exposure, and then I walked my kid to school every day, like where the own leap, like it's all these drive. I know them feel guilty because they're they don't even wave anymore. There's like, oh, here's the muscles walking to school in the rain and you're like you should be walking, too. So, yeah, those are just a few of the things that we do. I right. And on that note, I think you need to go are you walking biking? You gotta go pick like yeah. Nice if a bike race in two or ten days. Yes. Biting try I just trained commuting gas. So thanks so much for having me on. This has been a lot of fun. Any takeaway that you wanna leave our audience with? Yeah. You know what I know everyone. I know a lot of people that probably listen to podcasts care about their brain. And I just want everyone to know that your brain is changeable. And if anyone is living proof of that, it's me, my, you know, people that pal around with when I was ten eleven twelve you know, and stuff like that some of them are living in motorhomes in jail and all that. Like I totally transformed my brain with nutrition. With lifestyle that continue to transform my brain over time. So people need to realise wherever they're at, you know, I think the brain is when he's organs, just like muscle tissue. It's really plastic. It's malleable to the will. So just put as Mark Bell says, put some points on the scoreboard, everyday learn in a brush your teeth with your opposite non dominant hand like do different things all the time, not just nutritionally, but for your brain. If you're watching Netflix like, try to remember, the character's names in my quiz yourself at the end like there's all these little things you can do that over time, have sweeping effects on your on your body, and brain, which I think are quote, Mike. It's been such a pleasure to have you here I've landed by him. No, I, I listen to have as well. And we cannot wait to have you back because much to share your so inspiring. Thank you. Thank you. Enjoy your race. We'll do. All righty. Good one guys. Thanks take. I mike. Thank you for being with us for this conversation with Mike muscle. 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How Mueller busted Trumps criminal intent to obstruct justice

The Beat with Ari Melber

44:07 min | 1 year ago

How Mueller busted Trumps criminal intent to obstruct justice

"We have a big show tonight on the B to legal powerhouses are here on the Democrats. Epoch fight did shaping up over what to do with. This mole report, former STI David Kelly and Neil catchall or both here live. Plus our special report on the overwhelming, obstruction evidence against President Trump and the most famous White House counsel since probably John dean what Don Mcgann told Muller, and why Democrats tonight in breaking news are going to force him to testify to they say, President Obama's White House counsel also here on the beach night in an exclusive. So as you can see we are back, and we have a lot to bring you we begin with Democrats meeting over their next moves, how do you hold Donald Trump accountable for the damning revelations in the Miller report when the caucus hasn't resolved exactly what it will do at this very hour speaker Pelosi is leading what we're told is a conference call with her leadership team. And her members moment, I will be joined by one of them to discuss where the party stands tonight. I have called on the house to initiate impeachment proceedings. I'm to do yet. But I can foresee that possibly coming you. This is impeachable. Yeah. I do if proven which hasn't been proven yet. Some of this. If proven some of this would be impeachable. Yes. That some of the range of views. So the speaker today trying to balance them telling members they have a range of us which can include impeachment, and they want to find the truth the priority. She's still says is that the American people need to see their proceeding free from passion or prejudice strictly on the presentation of fact, also noting the President Trump has engaged in highly unethical and unscrupulous behaviour Republicans should be ashamed of what Mullah revealed. Now's the Democrats are huddling. They also have specific demands one is that Mr. bar has to turn over the full unredacted report to is for Bob Muller personally testify with a deadline of may twenty third and three breaking just moments ago here in our newsroom of formal subpoena for Bob Mueller star witness White House counsel, Don Mcgann, the guy who talked about all the crazy stuff except to use them more severe word and who warned of a Saturday night massacre, the crazy stuff he said Trump was demanding that he reviews to do all of this looks. Like a lot. There are the hearings as well that should focus on Donald Trump's activities as displayed in the mobile report. And all of that raises the questions of what are what whether it's oversight or whether it's impeachment. Thank you. Nobody disobeys my order. See why each? It's not even a little bit. I'm joined now with a very special guest. And it's an exclusive David Kelly was the US attorney for the southern district of New York a familiar position to viewers because it's been held by Rudy Giuliani, James Komi, and Preet Berrara who also says that he was contacted. He you'd it inappropriately by the president. Thank you for being here. David good to be here. I also mentioned as I always do that long ago. I worked for you when we practice law together. But you're here because you understand how these things work. Indeed, some have said that you need an underlying crime to prove that there is obstruction of Justice. You prove the opposite in the Martha Stewart case, and you sent her to jail without her being a part of the underlying crime. How does it abroad level obstruction as documented potentially by Muller work? And do you think he has a strong case against Trump if he were a citizen so this way? As a legal matter. Do you need to prove the underlying crime? It's being obstructed the answer's no not as legal map. What I think? Bob muller. Did here was very thoughtfully. Look at all the different factors involved constitutional issues concerning what a president has a right to do and his executive branch cetera. It's all laid out in his report. I think that the end of the day he's thinking putting all that aside. It's not just the normal person. I'm going to be indicting. I'm going to indict the president. And if I'm going to do that. I really wanna make sure I have a strong case because there's no going back. I wanna make sure this case is a winner. I wanna make sure it gets all the all over all the legal hurdles, and I think at the end of the day that's kind of like a prosecutors gut. You know, where do I end up with his case? It's got the legal stuff down. Can I prove obstruction certainly not exonerating him. But is it something I really ought to charge under these circumstances. And I think that there is too many issues involved there for him to say. Let's go with it is a winter case where solid on all fronts when you read this report, and I've now gone through basically, my second reading one thing that comes out of really fun weekend. One thing that comes through David is a real emphasis on the analysis of the president's criminal intent, why do you think Muller who ultimately is leaving this for congress or others to act or not act on? Why did he spend so much time so many pages, basically, whether you want to call it showing the or what some would call proven that Donald Trump was not stumbling around was not sloppy. But knew better and tried to thwart the probe. Anyway, I think you're trying to preempt what the arguments are, you know, I think some of it you heard from the attorney general saying he felt like he was under siege. She felt like he was. You know being attacked. That's not real. It's not a defense. But it's important to preempt all those kinds of arguments by laying out what the facts are that helped show what his intent is. And I think it's really important here. You look at. The evidence that he has it's really he's turning to people that he trusted his loyalists. And in directing them to do things that even they wouldn't do I think that's really telling why is that so powerful because it's because they knew that there's something wrong with what he's asking. And if they and frankly, you know, look, I think in some people's mind, there's some of those folks who are not are not of the highest ethical caliber. People looked at you know, who are living in TAOs go, I don't know him. But I think by reputation some people look at him as a political operative that doesn't always have the strongest moral, compass. Well, data point, according to Miller, you're talking about people who would re tweet foreign propaganda would go to meetings giving those offers would talk openly about whether they could solicit other helpful dissemination of hacked material, although they didn't conspire to hack it according to this. And you're saying they would do all that. But even they wouldn't go along with let's kneecap, the pro exactly, and I think that's really I mean, I think that's really telling evidence about what his view was of the president's intent, but notwithstanding that you still at the end of the day have an awful lot of legal issues to get by and an obstruction case. Look, we did it in the Martha Stewart case, but there aren't many obstruction cases out there where you don't have an underlying crime that was being obstructed to investigation things. And I'm gonna bring in congresswoman speier who's who's all over this one is Muller alludes to but doesn't exactly. Say the other underlying crime might have been other things Donald Trump did that he was worried would be uncovered or would be crimes apart from two thousand sixteen election stuff. Is that a good argument? And what did you think of the fact that there were twelve referrals is that normal? Or is that a lot? Then the first is I do think I point. Yes, I think it is. It could be evidence of other crimes kind of nonspecific. But even then you're you're going down a path where that thing that's being obstructive becomes more and more amorphous. And I think from a prosecutor's perspective you really need to nail down. What is he trying to investigation of what is he trying to obstruct, you know, and it's not good to just kind of throw a bunch of it up on the wall and hope it sticks. You know, I think you need to really focus have have concrete theory, and now that down, and I think in this instance, there's probably for him. Bob Muller too, much too. Many of these too many hurdles to get by comfortably and twelve is a lot of normal twelve is a lot does a lot. Have you ever been you ran, and why have you ever finished a probe and handed off twelve other criminal referrals? I don't think. So I'd have to think about that. That's a lotta refer look there's a lot out there. So people who say that people are exonerated here on the honoration going on there. And there's still a lot out there a lot out there that has yet. Not yet come to public Cy with the referrals out of everything. You said twelve is a lot sticks with me stay here. Live on the beat. I want to bring it has promised California congresswoman Jackie speier who serves on the intelligence and oversight committees. And was on this call with speaker Pelosi. Thank you for joining me. What do you take from the call? And what do you view is on the table is impeachment off the table coming out of this call I think what comes out of this call is a clear appreciation that we do have a date with destiny as chairman coming says said the facts, ma'am, just the facts, that's what we want. And we get the facts by having special counsel Muller, come and testify openly. All of this has been done. In a closed at virement. We need to have him speak openly. We need to know what those twelve other cases that have been referred, and we need to step back for a minute and realize what has taken place here, we have a dentist by the president as an unindicted co conspirator conspirator in the Michael Cohen case he is already a has participated in a criminal act. There are obstruction of Justice allegations that have been made here, and whether the actual obstruction took place or not the intent to obstruct is also a crime. So I think the American people have to have the opportunity to hear this and open setting to be able to chew on it to understand that this is just not a game as the president thinks of it. This is in fact, a challenge to our democracy, the facts should take us to our. Clues. And I don't think anything is off the table as far as the democratic majority in the house is looking at it, very striking to be who you who you put it that way congresswoman I wanna read from a constitutional expert who is known to be somewhat conservative in the classic sense of that word about this question that I think Americans have been genuinely wondering about which is was Mr. bar doing what he was supposed to do in announcing his views of this before even turning over anything. Where was he you surfing the traditional congressional role? And as you know, I say that wholly apart from what congress decides it could be Congress's role to then decide not to go forward oversight or not to impeach. But the notion that that might be your job and not bars. I wanna read from this which says it's plausible that Trump committed impeachable offenses that the Miller report could be read as a quote invitation to impeachment. According to Philip Bobbitt, who's the author of the handbook on impeachment in the Washington Post and notes this is a broad based series of hearings would be the next step at a procedural level. Rather than just whether people wanna quote unquote, get the president. Do you agree with that analysis, and do you view that as an open debate that this is up to congress or bar or close debate? It's always up to congress nearly questions. What you do? Well, first of all, I believe attorney general bar has absolutely obliterated his responsibilities as the attorney general he manipulated that report put out a four page summary that does not look anything like the summary that the special counsel delivered to us at. Secondly, he has become a an attorney a mouthpiece for the president in the way, he uses the term collusion and comes to a conclusion that there hasn't been obstruction of Justice. So putting that aside I would then say that we have an obligation to investigate this further. You know, prosecutorial discretion is different from congressional discretion. And I believe that high crime and misdemeanor. Is not the same as an indictment that you could prove beyond a reasonable doubt. We need to know why the president of the United States is hiding his tax return. We need to know where he garners his money why he has been so reluctant to call out flat. Amir Putin to say that in fact, the intervention by Putin took place there is so much that suggests that the president is hiding something, and we need to find out what it is very interesting coming from congresswoman Jackie speier who was just on that leadership call along with the caucus with speaker Pelosi and David Kelly, former US attorney for C N Y joining us exclusively my thanks to both of you. After the break. I'm going to turn to something that David said I had an interesting weekend. Well, this is something I've been working on. It is my special report to you on what you need to know about molars evidence of criminal intent and obstruction against Donald Trump later the man who wrote the special counsel rule says impeachment must indeed be an option. Neil conscience ear, and it's Trump sees over White House counsel, Don mcgann's cooperation, I will actually speak to Barack Obama's former White House counsel who also wrapped a witness in the Muller probe. Another beat exclusive. What I'm telling you is. We have a lot left in the show. Don't go anywhere. All remember watching the beat on MSNBC. Hi, it's Katy Tur wanna keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSN be daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented. Era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. Now, we turn to a serious problem for President Trump and the nation. The problem is the substantial evidence against Trump regarding the crime of obstruction of Justice rigorously documented in the Miller report this evidence actually answered several the mysteries of the Trump era. Like why so many people lie even without a conspiracy? And why Trump was so obsessed with finding the probe and why Trump's own senior aides we're so concerned that his presidency could literally end before his first term was supposed to end the answers, bring clarity. But they don't bring us any legal or civic peace because there's no easy outcome. When there is substantial criminal evidence against a president. As there is right now, the path to accountability is hard and uncertain the path towards settling with no accountability is actually dangerous because it can reward this or future presidents for obstruction. So there is no great satisfaction to be taken in this. Evidence against Trump. But before America decides what if anything to do we have to take in the evidence, we have to understand it? And if we can't even do that anymore. We may not have much of a functioning Republic. So let's do that right now in one way to begin. I would argue is with the end of Muller's factual analysis of the obstruction evidence because after he laid out all the damning stories you've been hearing about in the last few days muehler, then intones, quote, it's important of you the president's pattern of conduct as a whole which sheds light on the nature of the president's ACT's meaning the corrupt ten and efforts looked worse taking together and then Muller notes that Trump worried his advanced knowledge of WikiLeaks release of hacked material, the Trump Tower meeting itself could be seen as criminal activity by him or his family. Meaning that Trump had the motive to obstruct even if there was no charge conspiracy, which is one of those mysteries. Then Miller states obstruction is a crime, even without an underlying crime. Because it creates injury to the integrity of the. Justice system, the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong and again on Trump's criminal intent Muller. Nodes Trump tried to thwart a thorough probe fearing it would uncover facts about Trump that he could have understood to be crimes these are shots across the bow Muller's documenting the president tried to obstruct the probe repeatedly to avoid the discovery of possible crimes. And when those efforts were busted, he tried to cover them up ordering his employees to lie cheat to defy law enforcement to falsify records to cover up the way Trump had been covering up. What I'm saying he was not conjecture, and it's not opinion. It's the testimony of Donald Trump's own top aides the footnotes of Muller's obstruction section read like a cross between the warm-up speakers at maga- rally and the star panel of CPAC. Bannon Lindau ski Flynn Kelly, Christy, McFarland Hicks creeps Sanders. Again miller. That's the evidence. He may remember that movie when a stranger calls, and they say the scary part is that the calls were coming from inside the house Muller's obstruction evidence is coming from inside the White House. So I want to go through it with you briefly because you may have heard about ten or eleven acts and maybe five or more show the evidence of obstruction. But these obstructive acts really boil down to three incriminating topics protecting Mike Flynn from indictment pressure Jeff Sessions improperly and Trump trying to oust and toward Miller and covering that up on Flynn Muller documents that Donald Trump knew his demand that the FBI stopped proving Flynn was wrong. Quote. The president cleared the room to make the request and later tonight a chilling. He knew his request was not a proper exercise of his pout on Jeff Sessions. Miller documents Trump demanding aides help him get sessions to take back over the Russia probe and the evidence that trumpet criminal intent Muller documents Trump's goal here was criminal to restrict the scope of the probe. and shield the president from it and third the most obvious evidence of the president potentially committing the crime of obstruction was trying to oust Muller, kneecap Muller and then cover that up. And this is the part that has gotten a lot of attention stories are raw because Trump's own aides knew nothing ends a presidency. Like, a massacre Miller showing Donald Trump's criminal intent starkly quoting his own aides who believed Trump's attempt to oust Muller was a high crime that could end his presidency that it was crazy that it was worth residing over documents that in that very moment. When Trump's ordered a fire Muller was still secret. So nobody really knew what would come next think about that. It was obviously intense and scary time to the people involved. Donald Trump's own lawyer, not only defy the president's order, but next he called his lawyer because he knew he was risking going to jail for that potential crime. If he wasn't careful. That's some of the best evidence of criminal obstruction. Prosecutor can get now lawyers can legally know about in represent a past crime. They cannot legally help you with a future crime that would make them criminal conspirators, not lawyers, and that's exactly what Miller's busting Trump on mcgann's saying, no, I won't help with a new crime also have to quit now. There are crimes, and then there are high crimes reckless driving is a real crime. But few people think it's impeachable for president. But multiple Trump aids. According to Miller, tell Trump that his order was actually a potential high crime, Chris Christie in the Miller report warning Trump that ousting Muller would lead Republicans in congress to abandon him and Trump covering up his effort to oust molar because he knew that the order was improper you're looking at right here is Muller. Nailing the coffin with Donald Trump's own criminal tent. His quote awareness that the direction to Muller was improper. That is what obstruction of Justice looks like when all the evidence is now the president obstructs it's not up to his own DOJ employees to go at rest him, the congress decides whether to act, and that's a fact every time congress has considered an impeachment from Johnston to Nixon to Clinton appoint that Republican members of congress have made recently as they discussed their standards for obstruction charges against. Yes. A president President Clinton. You don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional Republic. This body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. We don't wanna president lying in office of that. We don't want obstruction of the president has engaged in a persistent pattern and practice of obstruction of Justice. The allegations are grave the investigation is legitimate. I am concerned about a president under oath being alleged to have committed perjury and in America and supreme court and the American people believe no one is above the law. No one is above the law. That was a throwback Jeff Sessions that wording is what ends the Miller report sessions was talking about a single perjury count Muller's got five incidents of obstruction. So if that was obvious, then why is there any question about it now that congress considers obstruction? Well, one answer is. Donald Trump's new attorney general broke with past practice to announce that he reached his own decision about Muller's findings before even briefing congress on them. But now that we have the mullahs report. Everyone can see the evidence that one Muller did not find evidence to charge an election conspiracy to Muller did find substantial evidence of Trump obstruction three Vardon tell the whole truth about all of that. And for Bob Muller explicitly refers to congress deciding obstruction cases against the president something bar, obviously left out. So take that all together everything I've just presented to you. As faction. The Miller report. What do we do about it right now? There are people who are trying to predict the quote politics of impeachment. That is futile. The DC establishment couldn't even predict the two thousand sixteen election or could the media, and there are thousands of people who focus on trying to figure that out full-time. Nobody really knows how impeachment process would proceed or shape minds or ultimately end and comparing what happened with Bill Clinton. Thousand ninety eight is only slightly more relevant and comparing this to the Whigs or the renaissance. This is a different world. Trump is different America's different. If insanity is doing the same thing over for different results. Political insanity is living through the past three years and apply. A pre 2015 worldview to make these decisions and more importantly, congress shouldn't even use political calculations for these highest constitutional obligations. Sure politics can touch everything. But I ask you tonight. Now that this report is sitting in have we become so cynical. We don't even ask our leaders to aspire to live up to their oaths when they vote to send us to war when they evaluate national security when they decide if the president is a crook, the public can demand more and this public two year fascination with Muller has some constructive features because it's highlighted fact-finding integrity and using rules rather than bluster, but it's not all positive. I want to say that tonight this partisan hunger for molar defined with some people want to hear. Also, risked blunting the import of what he didn't find no election conspiracy. No criminal syndicate led by Don jR. But the other issue is the passion for Muller had some people thinking he might do what he wasn't assigned to do which was make these decisions these tough calls for other branches of government. Bill bar was wrong to claim he could decide himself if Trump obstructed motor would have been wrong to do that as well difference. Of course, is Miller followed that rule bar did not. And that tells us something about both men, but in honoring that line. Bob Muller was respecting the constitution's rule for congress to decide any high crimes? So what would it say about congress? If after all that after Miller's twenty two month, long, pro busting foreign interference crimes and a record breaking number of indictments of the president's advisors and he lies and the obstruction by other people, and then this documenting substantial evidence of Donald Trump's obstruction. What would it say? If after all of this congress takes that evidence and announces we can't even begin. Seedings to assess these facts because the politics might be bad for us. I'm gonna tell you something if that is how this all ends a whimper topped with a blatant confession that it's all based on self interest than the responsibility. Will I not only with the president who saddled with this criminal evidence against him? But with those who had a chance to act here and now and instead said. We won't use our power to stand up to this were afraid of the politics is in fear part of what got us here aren't Democrats in congress, the ones who spent two years asking when would Republican stand up to Donald Trump, regardless of their politics. Now, my observation see you tonight are not a call for a particular outcome. We don't even know what house proceedings and testimony. In fact, finding would uncover or lied to or what that ultimate vote might entail. If there were a vote, but if you're watching this unfold, and you're thinking, wait, isn't isn't there something to do with Muller's findings after all this? Yes, there is if you're thinking, wait, I watched the news didn't we know all along the DOJ doesn't unite the president. So the whole thing was always going to be up to congress. Yes, you're right. And if you're thinking facts matter most when people make facts matter. Yes, they do anyone telling you the facts don't matter or telling you to just move on. Night or telling you, you don't need to bother reading the Miller report that sounds like someone who might be trying to hide something and his Bob Muller so meticulously documents when you do it in court trying to hide in lies an element of corrupt intent in life. It's just to sign there may be a whole lot more work to do. Welcome back to our special coverage. I'm joined now by Neil Cacho who wrote the special counsel rules that govern Muller and has been writing about this for some time, including something he noted in the New York Times if indictments off the table impeachment must be on it if impeachments off the table because of nefarious congressional activity than indictment must be on it that is some context for what we're seeing including this defense from the Trump team the Trump organization now suing the house to try to prevent a subpoena of Donald Trump's confidential financial records. Join me now as part of our opening argument series is former solicitor general Neal Cacho good evening. Good evening. What do you think is most important as the country is still learning about what's in this report and trying to understand whether congress has a role to play or as Mitch McConnell said today, everyone should just move on. Well, I think if folks were just listening to David Kelley, who's a fabulous lawyer. They would be like why would we think about impeachment because my? Mr Kelly said, you know, that that Muller's prosecutors got was that there wasn't obstruction evidence. That was there that there was too many hurdles and so on but actually Muller said, none of that. And I think the most important thing for all Americans understand is what Muller actually said and on the first two pages of his report where he has to rules rule. Number one. I'm molar can't indict is sitting president. And I won't tar and feather a sitting president because I can't indict him, and he won't have an opportunity to defend himself. And what that means. He says is that even if the president is guilty as sin. I'm not going to tell you. It's not going to be in there. That's rule. One number two is if the evidence shows that Trump did nothing wrong, I'll exonerate him. I'll clear him and Muller does not do that. So when we think about what are what what are the next steps? We have to understand the Muller report in its context. And as you said so help. Family for the last few minutes. The report actually when you look at the evidence on obstruction is devastating. I mean, Muller point six Zamel after example in which all the elements of obstruction of Justice or meant met criminal intent and obstructive act and a nexus to preceding. So when you add all that together. I think I'm where the congresswoman was just a few minutes ago with U R E, which is their Trump is going to have a day with destiny there isn't a way to avoid it. Congress is going to have to do something. Yes, they're going to hand ring over the politics of the thing and so on and maybe a lot of them don't want to do it. They'd rather talk about healthcare and other things, but it's part of their constitutional duty. What does it tell you that people are openly invoking politics? I mean, it was as I just noted it was Democrats and others, many others who criticized Republicans who were quiet in the face of Charlottesville or other things Donald Trump did that we're obviously more important than politics of the day. Should that standard apply to the constitutional obligations here? Absolutely. Not and particularly so because it Muller himself has said, I can't indicted sitting president and bar has taken that and carried it to its logical conclusion. So now, congress is the ballgame and every scholar who says a sitting president can't be indicted couples that with the view that the way to remedy a president who is breaking the law is to seek their impeachment otherwise to use the antiquated term by Jeff Sessions. No one is above the law. And that's of course, not sessions is term that goes all the way back to sixteen ten and Dr Bonham's case not. But that was Jeff Sessions original, I didn't know he was he was remixing older stuff. Let me also play for your Neil Rudy Giuliani who seems to find a way to muddy or complicate. What might have been an easier set of weekend interviews, take a look. It doesn't matter. Whether there was an underlying crime it still obstruction. When did it become God that doesn't wrong taken information from Russians? There's nothing wrong with taking where it came from Don, Mcgann saved them. Why didn't save Don Mcgann didn't carry out an obstruction? Wasn't saved him. He could have firing. He had a perfect right to fire moa. Neil OMG. I don't even know where to begin or. I mean, you know, let me just take the ho-. There's nothing wrong with getting information from the Russians the Russians are most sophisticated adversary. Trump has been denying that they interfered in the election time, and again to the consternation the intelligence community the idea that there's nothing wrong. I never thought in my lifetime. Ari? I would hear a president of the United States top lawyer saying that it's a standing to me. And yet further reason why the congresswoman's right congress has to take a deep look at this. And that's what the heck is going on. Why is there so much weirdness in this administration about Russia? Yeah. It's a lot of important questions. We've been relying on your expertise a lot. And luckily, we get to come back to you soon. So Neil Cacho as part of opening arguments series. Thank you as always joining us on the beat, sir. Thank you. I want to mention on the series. You can always go to MSNBC dot com slash opening arguments for not only what you. You just saw but all other segments with Neil coming up Democrats tonight. Our subpoenaing, Don, Mcgann, Donald Trump, seething. I'll be joined by someone who has been in that very job. Former Obama White House counsel, Kathy room, lower next. Breaking news tonight. The first post Muller reports subpoena of a major Miller witness this Muller star witness former White House counsel, Don Mcgann, Jerry Nadler, calling the testify before the house mcgann's interviews with a special counsel cited a hundred and fifty seven times in the mullahs reporters Mcgann detailed some of the most damning episodes of Trump's efforts to crack down on the probe. He is now being compared with Richard Nixon's famous White House counsel who ultimately broke from Nixon during Watergate and miliver councilman began was afraid that Trump's demands to fire Mueller would basically be Saturday night massacre, like Nixon when the Watergate special prosecutor was ousted that was the beginning of the end of Nixon's presidency to discuss this White House counsel's unique role in the molar probe and beyond. I turn to a former White House counsel, Kathy room. Learn was White House counsel to President Obama from twenty eleven to two thousand fourteen she also in all of this represented a Muller witness, George Nader. Thank you so much for being here. Thank theory. It's great to be here. When you read the account of Don mcgann's time in the Trump White House was that similar normal like your time. Absolutely not now do you ever recall telling the president that a request or an order was on lawful now. So walk us through just how how not only strange and in a way. It's it's amazing copy as a story it's but all of your reactions to it having held the same post. Yeah. I run out of adjectives to describe. What it what it must be like, and what it must have been like for Don Mcgann working in this White House because President Obama, and I also had the privilege of working for President Clinton before that they understood that the power and the authority, and the responsibility that came with the office of the presidency and President Trump seems not to understand that at all. And I think that is really laid bare in the report, particularly in the parts that talk about the obstruction and and his instructions to the White House counsel to do variety of different things is his directives to. AG sessions to quote, unquote, unrequir- us one of the things that I found fascinating. And the report was the conversation that he had with the director of the NSA Admiral Gers and the deputy director, and the deputy director says in the report, you know, in my forty years of government service. I've never had a conversation like that with anyone much less president of United States. And they they wrote a memo to the file that they'd locked in the safe. You know, there are lots of things in this report that have not even been touched upon. But that in the history of our government would just be deemed in and of themselves just extrordinary during the campaign. They talk about the Trump train and one of the things that comes through and Muller's evidence, and he deems again, not only credible. But it's his most cited witness was that if he didn't announce that he was gonna jump off the train he thought he would be guilty of a crime that he would end up in jail. Yeah. Which is not where most people want to go after the White House. I'm gonna ask you a question that you may have. Not answer I realize, but when I ask you. Did you ever get an order from President Obama, and then have to consult your personal lawyer for your own, criminal liability? Does it tell you when we read those stories this is the star witness and he's the star witness partly because he would get off the phone with the president. And according to molar, the next call would be against personal lawyer, it it's so difficult to express to people who don't have the experience in working at the White House or don't understand you know, what it's like to work in government. How just so outside of the realm of not even normal. But but just just just barely acceptable. It's just stranger than fiction is the only way can describe it. It's just astonishing one of the stories that hasn't goes much attention here is that after a lot of the stuff went down what Mcgann called the crazy, expletive stuff. He was still on the job. And then Trump asked him to lie and falsify. Records to cover up. The Trump had tried to mother and they have a tense face to face where Mcgann does stand up to him and stare him down. And then Trump says at one point something to the effect of meeting. He makes the threat known that. Well, if you don't go along with this, you know, you might lose this job. Yeah. And Mcgann says to someone else in the White House, according to Muller, it was like the president's still didn't understand that wasn't leverage over me. If I then left after both the massacre, and then refusing to falsify records, it would be bad for Trump. Right, right. That that's interesting dynamic rate is President Trump doesn't seem to get it. And there are a couple of things going on here. One is is that he's asking Don Mcgann to do these things Don Mcgann says I'm not going to do. But there's but there's no reason why the president himself couldn't do what he's asking again to do. But the president doesn't want to do that. Because he wants to presumably, and I think Don Mcgann knows this full. Well, he wanted to presumably to blame Don Mcgann to disavow the order to Dom Mcgann later. If it was it came out. So when he's asking Mcgann to call rod Rosenstein and tell rod to fire to special counsel. There's no reason why the president himself couldn't have picked up the phone and called rawdon as we've seen lots of reporting has no hesitation to pick up the phone and call sorts of people, but he didn't he was he was savvy enough. Do he was canny enough? And to me, the the notion that's got we'll it's just riddled throughout the report is is the canonise and the corrupt motivation. That is really just I think littered throughout the report and Muller, and I was just speaking about this earlier in in a report we did on the show Muller uses that to great effect as evidence against Trump. The constant awareness of what he was doing was wrong or corrupt and then hiding it Mcgann though, ultimately was deemed cooperative credible has not been accused by Muller wrongdoing. The one White House counsel who's been caught up in this. That has been accused hasn't been been. Of course to trial yet is someone that was in the Obama White House as well. Former White House counsel, Greg Craig charges that he quote, lied and concealed information from the Justice department about his work for Ukraine based on what you know. And and having been in the same White House in the same post at different times, your view of those charges, and what it means that Muller's referred that case and it's being pursued. Well, I don't know more than what I read in the indictment. I do know Greg Craig personally. And I think he's a very fine lawyer and has had a really well deserved and well earned reputation in Washington is a very nice person. I don't know the facts beyond what's laid out in the indictment. Obviously that's going to have to be tried before a jury. I think it's unfortunate and a sad thing. But, but it will be contested before a jury, and a jury will decide what does it say about Muller that he has been so aggressive on that area of the law, which which is, you know, and I think a lot of us have come to learn was not traditionally enforced this aggressively and yet. Looked at this foreign lobbying stuff and said, well, you can go after the Washington sort of corporate establishment with it if they are not registered, right? Well, the Muller chose not to charge that particular case right and in referred it out in a different office charged. It I think that as a as a former prosecutor when I would say is that it's always important for prosecutors to think about, you know, just what's fundamentally fair something may be a technical violation of a law. But if people didn't have an appreciation because something hadn't been enforced in a way that it's being enforced now, that's a that's a factor that should go into any prosecutor's decision as to whether or not it's a kind of a righteous case to bring again, I'm not suggesting this is and I don't know enough about the facts. But I think that's important context. I certainly expect that Greg Craig's defense team will bring that out in front of the jury as a former White House counsel you bring so much expertise in firsthand knowledge. I'm so glad we got you on the report today. Hope you'll come back on the beat. Absolutely, thanks for having me. Ari? Go. Coming up mile Wiley is up next on obstruction and intent and what congress does when we come back. Breaking news MBC getting some of the first leaks and readouts on speaker, Pelosi's call with House Democrats their first discussions since the mullahs report democratic leaders discussing whether they'll be aggressive investigations. There's no public commitment to impeachment hearings. Let's get into this and the underlying substance with Maya Wiley from council mayor of New York City and former civil prosecutor at SDN y we had David Kelly in here earlier. It's the biggest day. It's always. Let me read you from from this letter here. This report rather democratic conference call democratic leadership, including the leaders the oversight committee's quote promised to do aggressive and extensive investigations and oversight or the president but did not commit to begin impeachment proceedings. This is going to be see colleagues on what's coming out of speaker, Pelosi's call what what do you make of this is enough? I think what's critical here is that the American people get to hear the evidence for themselves. And what I mean by that is to have Don Mcgann, come before them. And actually hear him say what the president directed him to do is important. And it's because in part, what Representative Jamie Raskin said that that the process for impeachment should require congress to do its job, which means take all the evidence into account to determine whether in peach mint is merited what I will say here is that. That the politics should not leave the country, the issue of the constitution, and our laws should leave the country. And on that one. I'm gonna agree with Jeff Sessions. Yes. Jeff Sessions shit. We quote, it all depends. How old the quote, unquote? But but Jeff Sessions is absolutely right. I mean, do you take the keys to the White House after the president has opened the door to foreign governments to waltz right in or do you protect the country and determine whether you have to protect the country from the types of abuse of thirty that leaves the country bear. And I think they're Democrats are right to say, let's put it all on the table. Let the country. See it let it be public. Because for the most part most Americans are not reading over four hundred pages themselves. Well, let me ask you because we've talked to different experts different ways. We did a lot of the formal law in the show this far, what do you think at more generic level? What do you think Muller's thinking about the way the world's reacting to this now three days in public? Well, I hope the what he's. Thinking is they didn't get the message. My message was congress should do its job. And that I had to in my view given event. I think Neil Caccia was exactly right. When he say given that the that the office of legal counsel has tied my hands. I am going to tell congress that they should untie bears. Do you think he's mad at bar? If I were him, I would be quite upset at far because because because on the introduction, you don't as lawyers know, and I think the public understands you don't put it in the introduction to have. It's fun and redacted you don't redact the opening of the introduction. That's the message. And that's where he says as you alluded. The Cacho says, hey, William bars, an attorney. So true. Therefore, he understands stood exactly what Robert Muller was doing. And Robert Muller knows that William bar. Understood exactly what Robert Mueller was doing. Which means there's only one thing to be. If you are Robert Muller. I think you put it will Mr. bar knows better. And the question is will there be no better blues by the time Moeller testifies? Or little way. Hi, it's Mika Brzezinski here wanna keep up with morning, Joe subscribe to our newsletter. You'll get the best of what you might have missed during this unprecedented era of news text morning, Joe two six six eight six six to subscribe.

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300: A Big Announcement and Happy Holidays!

The Healthy Moms Podcast

41:55 min | 9 months ago

300: A Big Announcement and Happy Holidays!

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And before I get into into a recap of the last hundred episodes highlights from the year I finally get to share a super exciting big announcement about project. I have been working on for over a decade eight and can now finally share with you. I co founded a new company called wellness. And we've created a line of personal care products based on the recipes. I've been making in perfecting acting in my kitchen for a decade. I realized I needed to make these products available widely when I found out that some of my most naturally minded friends were still using conventional personal. Oh care products like toothpaste and shampoo. Because while they wanted to live naturally they weren't willing to sacrifice how their hair fell how their teeth felt or smelled or set over products that it didn't work as well. So here's the thing. There are a lot of natural products out there and a lot of them. Don't work as well as conventional alternatives. And there's a lot of products that work really well but many of them contain ingredients that a lot of preferred to avoid in our homes are on our skin so I set out to create products that accomplished both by being highly effective and still completely at least safe and after many many rounds of formulation. I'm so excited to finally get to start sharing these products with you at wellness. We focus on creating products. That aren't just safe to put on your skin or your hair or in your mouth but actually beneficial to we. Don't just avoid the bad stuff. We also make sure we add beneficial ingredients so that you can nourish yourself from the outside in as well as from the inside out. You may know that a lot of things used in personal care. Products aren't tested or approved for safety. It's probably worse than you. I think though this has been really eye-opening process as we've formulated and created these products. Because I found so much information out that I even I wasn't aware of after doing a lot of research researching this industry for years. It's a common misconception. That skin care ingredients must be proven safe and effective before they're allowed on the market. And what's that's actually not true. And what's even worse is the. FDA doesn't actually have the authority in a lot of cases to ban skincare ingredients even if they're strong evidence of them being dangerous so as an example. Oh you might have heard a lot of the news involving talcum powder and products that contain talcum powder things like makeup and baby powder are frequently contaminated with asbestos which is linked to cancer. There were a lot of court proceedings that found that one major company knew about this for decades and have they've now paid millions in damages. There's still lawsuits coming in for this. Believe there's actually over fifteen thousand lawsuits but here's the crazy part. You would think with all of that happening. This ingredient would be pulled from the shelves right like they would stop using it. That's actually not the case. They're still the same products are being sold in stores. Were still using baby powder on babies and it still causing harm so a lot of really interesting interesting Especially when it comes to the regulation of personal care products and it's not something we can fully trust the government or the FDA to regulate for us. And it's part of the reason that I'm I'm so dedicated in this new project too radical transparency so that consumers have full information to make these decisions. There's also the issue in the natural products world world of greenwashing so a lot of companies have gotten savvy to the fact that we as consumers want safer natural products for our families and this is great. This is writing. Ha's it of change and I've certainly seen a changes in the landscape of the market. Even just since I started this journey and you probably have to but not everything is as it seems the beauty industry especially is largely self regulated. And it's getting here. Companies can dress up labels with natural looking terms and a lot of them. Don't necessarily mean anything. They aren't regulated so even if they're using these terms that doesn't necessarily mean you can trust them on the flip side. There's also the misconception that if you can't pronounce is an ingredient then you shouldn't use it and I've even said this relating to food because in most cases I feel like we should eat ingredients. Not Food made with ingredients but in the personal care world. It's a little more nuanced than that so I always read the ingredients on any skin care products. And just because it's not pronounce doesn't mean an ingredient is necessarily the bat as an example Alpha-tocopherol may sound like a toxic chemical but it's actually vitamin E.. Shave butter is listed on a lot of product packaging as beautyrest Burnham Park and those are both natural products so when in doubt definitely do some research and like I said we go out of our way to make sure that we explain what the ingredients are are why are they came from why they're beneficial and important and show the sourcing because I feel like that. That level of transparency is the antidote to a lot of these problems that we're seeing in the world today so like I said to that end wellness. We are completely dedicated to radical transparency and honesty. And we believe that it's not only possible but but absolute essential to create products that are safe for humans and safe for the planet and this is something I've wanted to do for a really long time and I waited until I knew that we could execute both of those really really well because it wasn't willing to compromise on either one just to share a little bit about the inner workings in the mission. Because like I said I think you guys as consumers having this information is so important that will last we believe that well run. Businesses can have a huge positive impact on the world. And that's why we run wellness us with an unwavering commitment to our core values in every decision that we make and we run every decision through these criteria so first of all anything that we're going to put into any of the products has to be the highest quality will never compromise on quality and we will choose options that are best for both people on the planet and we make sure that every everything we formulate is human safe because we love we love you guys families who use our products and we want to make sure that all of the ingredients that we use are rated as safe by the the environmental working group so that you can rest easy knowing that your family is safe and on top of that. We combine the latest in scientific research with the best of nature so that we add beneficial ingredients into these products. So that they're actually doing good on your skin or your hair or in your mouth at the same time. We are unwavering in our commitment to be planet safe because because we wholeheartedly believe that products can and should be safe for both people and the environment at the same time and we take the planet into account with every ingredient which us in every decision we make. We WanNa make sure things are environmentally friendly and sustainable and we want to contribute to leaving our world a better place for our children and grandchildren and so we are committed to making decisions ends. That lasts longer than we will at the same time. If you've been a listener of this podcast you know that I am really big on community and the important role it has in all of our lives and I think it's truly one of the most important things we can do for. Our health is to nurture strong community so to that end we built it into the structure of wellness to support families is at every level of our business so in our decision making we look at it evaluate how the affect of the families of our team members the families of our customers and families in our local community Hannity and we believe that cultivating a strong community is one of the most important things we can do in this life and we work toward that goal in our company culture in our own families and in our local communities and as part of that we also give a percentage of time and profit to our local community organizations that support families or the environment we also have a unwavering unwavering in non-negotiable commitment to integrity and transparency. So I mentioned this a couple times but I never want anyone to have to wonder about the safety of our products or what we put in them. And I and you won't because we're going to tell you and show you this sourcing on the website and anywhere make it easily available and like I said we also are committed to thinking outside. Guide the box. We believe that it isn't just possible but essential to create products and solutions where the customer wins. The community wins. The Planet Wins and the company winds and so to this end. We spent a lot of time and money innovating and our uncompromising in sticking to these core values so to get into a little bit more detail about the products themselves. You've you've probably heard that much of what you put on your skin in your hair or in your mouth is absorbed into your body and into your bloodstream. It's the reason that we hear. Statistics like the the two hundred plus chemicals that many babies are born with already in their bloodstream because even in Utero many of these things from personal care products can cross into the blood. Let and so. This was something we looked at when we were formulating products and we kind of wanted to flip it on its head so like I mentioned in the beginning rather than just first of all the bad stuff which is a given we also wanted to put the beneficial stuff in into every ingredient in every product is chosen really carefully to be like. I said synergistic for your body and for the planet but also contain beneficial ingredients. I don't go through a few of those right now so in just about a week. Our January sixth. We're going to be EH. These products will be available for the first time publicly on our website at wellness dot com and at that time there will be five products available. which will be toothpaste and then four? Different kinds ends of haircare so shampoo and conditioner for regular hair shampoo and conditioner for thick and curly hair. And I want to share in the In idea transparency. A lot of the thought that went into these products so the toothpaste is the first natural toothpaste that works like regular toothpaste. But that does not contain glycerin or fluoride. And like I said well. You didn't just avoid the bad stuff. So instead of fluoride are formula uses green tea leaf extract. which is really high antioxidants? And there's a phytochemicals in green tea that is shown to fight bacteria especially the bacteria called strep Newton's which leads to tooth decay we can bind this vital chemical with something called hydroxy appetite which is a naturally occurring mineral and the main component of tooth enamel to strengthen teeth and help avoid cavities. And the reason for this is twofold in. It's important so avoiding the glycerin. Let's these minerals connect to the teeth or easily which also has an inadvertent whitening effect and the green tea helps fight. Distraught mutants bacteria which helps keep a good balance of bacteria in the mouth and of course another goal of faces to have fresh breath. We also use mint leaf extract in name name is another one because it prevents bacteria from sticking to the teeth and turning into it also does fight threatens as well so we tried to add ingredients that were beneficial official and uplifting minimalizing and also that would help the bacterial balance of the oral microbiome as well and so I said we also did well actually before we move onto haircare a little bit a story about why toothpaste I so probably twelve years ago now early on in my health dirty when I still had a lot of health problems homes and we're still trying to figure out what was going on with my health. I also had several cavities which is not uncommon when having several pregnancies in a row but I had several several cavities and was told I needed to have them filled and lyft happened and they got busy. And in the meantime I had started researching basically what causes cavities. How I could avoid lead them in the future and I came across some really fascinating research by Dr West and a price and by these doctors doctors? Melania has been wife team and and really delved into this entire world of the idea of re mineralisation and whether teeth could heal themselves and if so how that looked and this went down a huge huge rabbit hole for me of learning that teeth could indeed remain realize and I've confirmed this was several dentist pop guys who confirmed that Yes to a certain point. Teeth can unrealized especially if the cavity is not all the way through the enamel in Denton. And how this process works. So there's this kind of symphony of things that have to happen involving minerals minerals vitamins. Basically what's going in the body is important and also what's going on the body and I've written about this whole process quite a bit. I'll make sure those links are in the show notes but oral health has been a research topic for me for well over a decade. And I think that this information is just really starting to kind of penetrate the mainstream and I wanted to design a toothpaste. That was really easy to use for any consumer even one who maybe not as even into natural health at all that worked as well as what the experience they would have with a regular toothpaste but that supported that mineral process and supported those healthy fats. All the important things mouth needs so the toothpaste taste especially has been in development for over a decade. It's been through Bush my own work in working with a chemist formulation team. It's been through about ninety seven iterations and I'm really excited to have finally gotten this formula perfected and have no glycerin no fluoride and all those beneficial ingredients the same thing when it comes to hair so we didn't want to adjust avoid the bad stuff. We wanted to put the good stuff. In as well. So we use things like Carrington Keen Wa and Camomile to infuse moisture. An crate natural suds and to cleanse the hair and scouts of the hair stays smooth. We use of a pro vitamin B.. Five to moisturizers is hair and then I wanted to add in beneficial herbs so we use lavender which helps make hair silky and soft but also is been shown to be good for hair growth growth and for keeping her from falling and another ingredient. You may not have heard of yet but you might have a few read while the Pharma and that you'll grow to love is nettle leaf and I was really wanted to make sure we included meddle in our haircare formula because nettle is rich in both silica and sulfur which are known to support re growth and strengthen hair so sulphur especially as a component of Carrington which is the key protein that makes up our hair. And when it's used this lengthens the growing phase it's also been suggested that nettle leaf can help restore restore hair to its original color. And I don't have time supporting evidence for that and I haven't I haven't been back because my hair is original color but it's really fascinating to look at the research on the growing growing face so part of the equation of hair loss is what hairs are growing versus which here's arresting and have fallen out and so when you can lengthen the growing phase you basically upping the ratio of hair. That's growing to hair. That's falling out. which makes your hair overtime thicker? And so we include those things at all of the hair care and have innovated with some really the amazing natural sense as well. So there's an all hair formula and then there's also like I said the thicker or curly hair formula and the innovation doesn't stop there. We're going to continue releasing products next year. So if you can get on the VIP listed wellness Dot Com. You'll be the first to know about dry shampoo about sunscreen and that I'm really excited about that is reef safe and earth safe and works incredibly well a lot of the products that you may have seen on wellness. Mama will be available to purchase through wellness within the next year including like bug spray. skin-care at really excited for what I'll be able to share with you guys soon and we're also working on innovating constantly in packaging and in the company and it was really important to me that this company be a force for good and a force for families and a force for the planet so even the packaging were constantly constantly innovating in this and will continue to get even more ECO friendly and sustainable in any way that we can and this is something we have as a team. We are constantly looking for solutions for. We're currently using a sustainably sourced sugar cane that is carbon neutral on. That actually is safer for the planet that can be recycled and we explain a lot about that on the the website but even in the packaging. I wanted to make sure that we were playing it safe. And human safe in the name of transparency. We are also something called a PBC which means public lick benefit corporate. which basically doesn't need to the fact that we don't have to just look at profit because it's obviously not just about profit to us at all and we can evaluate things like doc customer safety and Planet Safety and the environment and all these things in our decision making and to this end we have applied for both certified B. Corp and to become e W. verified for all of our products and the website will reflect both of those once we get through the process but we are in process of them right now and we will be as such sharing hiring in being very transparent with our sourcing with our company? Like a charitable environmental aspects and initiatives that we include. And it's also it's important to ask like I said to be a force for good with people and with the environment so we have from the very beginning charitable donations built in into Organizations that support families and that support the environmental any purchase wellness is also benefiting both people and the environment in that way. It's like I said I am over. The moon excited to finally finally get to get these products in your hands. I can't wait to hear any feedback that you have and I can't wait to continue. Continue to bring things like this and to problem solve for families because like I said I think this is a a big need and one that hasn't been fully addressed and I think that in doing this we've created products that are really family safe really easy to use and that will hopefully also make a better place. And I'M GONNA keep this in this episode short but I just wanted to go through a quick review as well of some highlights of the last year and the last hundred episodes of this podcast which have flown by. It's it's such an honor. I'm so grateful every day that I get to talk to all of these amazing people and that actually have to call that a job and I wanted to share some of the ones that we got the most feedback on in case. You haven't heard them and if you're listening while you're driving or exercising I will make sure all of these are linked at Wellness Mama Dot FM. So you don't have to worry about finding them and while you're on the go but just hearing view podcast that is certainly really enjoyed. And that got tremendous feedback from all of you guys One that comes to mind immediately Louis was with Dr Kelly Brogan where she got very vulnerable about her dark night of the soul in her own journey over the last couple of years. If you're not familiar with Kelly. La She is a doctor who's worked with thousands of women and who stopped prescribing psychiatric medication and really began looking at the root cause with women rather than just prescribing prescribing. And she's been through as she shares in this podcast a really incredible personal and transformational journey over the last couple of years. That really seemed to resonate with a lot of certainly with me. And I got very vulnerable in this episode as well and shared a lot of what I have been through in the last couple of years and I think based on the feedback it was an episode that really resonated with a lot of you another episode. That comes to mind immediately is with Tina Anderson of just thrive probiotics. You guys really loved her. I love her both his friend and her company and that episode we went really deep about probiotics. What you need to know about them and some things that you maybe misconceptions ends that might be Having spent a lot of money on probiotics that aren't necessarily reaching where they need to in your gut. So for instance. A lot of people believe that refrigerated probiotics are our best and she explained how if it can't survive normal room temperature. It's likely not going to survive your stomach acid or the heater body and what kind of probiotics addicts actually can survive in the study. Show on how How what form of probiotics actually reach where they need to in the gut just talks about another nutrient in that episode assode that is linked to up to a seven year extension of lifespan and a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease and all cause mortality so very fascinating action-packed interview to also be linked in the show notes? I personally really enjoyed new guys. Apparently did to both of my episodes with Dr Chris Master John. You're not familiar with him. He is a researcher and one of the smartest people I have ever met. He has a great guide that goes into all of the different into pretty much every nutrient and he also does a free facebook messenger course on this on his facebook page. You can find that by searching Dr Chris Master John He gives gives an incredible number of practical tips in that episode including things like A neutral called Pantothenic. ACID can be helpful for those with certain types of Acne Nina's especially usually helpful for teenage boys and he explains it well but it something to do with on metabolize cholesterol and testosterone and. I wondered if that might also help. Why Hormonal Acne that was happening casually but during certain parts of my cycle and it completely resolved it so very practical action and tip packed episodes episodes from him? There's two of them and another one that probably I think. Got The most feedback. Both on site and on instagram was called else. Solving joint pain in wise. Sports aren't good for kids with hunter. Cook Hunter Fitness. And I know that last part of title is a little bit controversial especially sports sports. Not being good for kids but hunter really explains and this is something. He doesn't talk about a lot because he works more with adults celebrities and athletes but how those repetitive movements such edgy. Young Age can have really far reaching an unintended effects for these kids. He also talks about how we can actually properly care for our joints especially as we get older which I was really important and fascinating for me and I will say is hunter. Has something called cars. which are I believe controlled articulations of every joint with the idea that in order to get nutrients into the joint we have to create full range of motion of that joint and that we should be constantly working to protect and improve that range of motion and he has a system for doing that that I do every single morning and I'm also a member of his online community where he teaches classes but I have seen pin work absolute miracles of people and and would highly recommend that podcast especially if your kids play sports? Another personal favourite that got great feedback was with our whitten on fighting fatigue anxiety with the sauna. Lana on Horse Races and are two and sun exposure and this one is really far reaching and a little bit controversial. We talk about things. For instance like why. The Sun is actually necessary for health and how avoiding it can really really be problematic for a lot of people. We go deep on the many benefits of Sauna. And how there's there's really science backed benefits in a lot of different areas. We talk about macy's which if you're not familiar with it is pretty much. The idea that some types of stress are good for the body. And how how you can create those kinds of good stress in boy going into the bad stress territory so really interesting episode. I highly recommend there was one another controversial one with Dr Jolyon. Brighton called science backed reasons to ditch the pill in what to do instead. And she's one of the foremost researchers on female hormones and has helped Alands and thousands of women get off hormonal contraceptives with minimal side effects. And take charge of their fertility using natural methods. And she's just a wealth of Knowledge College. That episode is also packed with so much information. And she's here's both from her research and also from personal experience so if that's something that's relevant to you highly recommend that episode episode as well and lastly using the metabolism reset diet to support liver health with Dr Allen Christianson. Who is the first doctor who diagnosed let me with Hashimoto and began my journey toward healing? He's also the one that told me about eating Broccoli sprouts regularly for this four Fain and how that's beneficial to the body the I have learned so much from over the years and have had him on the podcast before multiple times This one was really really good because he breaks down. Why it's so important to support court liver health miliver master organ and we know it has far reaching affects the whole body but he really breaks it down and explains how and why to support liberal health and and also how to combat non alcoholic fatty liver disease which is on the rise in today's world really drastically on the rise? 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WM podcast to save two hundred dollars and lastly just to recap a little bit and to get a little personal for my back back for the past year and I would love to hear from you what your year has been like this one as you might imagine has been really busy for me with the growth of wellness and trying to get ready to release products. I have been on over seventy flights this year. Hey have been to believe. Four countries in twelve states of remembering and I've been through a lot of personal personal and emotional growth that led to an inadvertent fifty pound weight loss without changing anything else Including my died in my lifestyle which sounds crazy. I will do a whole podcast on that after the New Year. They're really elaborate. What that process was like? But it's it's been a year of a friction personal growth for me a press podcast guest. Aaron Alexander Zander. Had A great quote never wasted trigger. And I feel like that's been my motto of this year as a kind of had to tackle a lot of things that I was kind of ignoring suppressing emotionally early and all the things that came with that and that was pivotal to me in the physical transformation that happened inadvertently when I was finally able to steal the mental and emotional side Like I said I'll I'll elaborate that on that much more. But it's been a year of tackling fears and big challenges but that that As things start to calm down hopefully has had a really beneficial effect on me and a few highlights. I always love hearing highlights from people's years like I said if you want to reach out on social media or in the comments of this podcast I would love to hear highlights from your year. Mine started with a trip to Finland with forcing matic. It was kind of a research inexperienced trip. I've loved and worked with four spot for a very long time and getting to go to northern Finland in January was absolutely a highlight of a year and probably one of the experiences experiences that started the stretching of the comfort zone. Because I knew before we went that we were going to have to do a cold plunge and a sauna which I was really excited but also nervous about because while I do those things here we were going to be an Asana there that got over two hundred degrees Fahrenheit and we were then going to get into cold water they got that that was a negative twenty. Four degrees I believe are no twenty four degrees water negative twenty four degrees air temperature and the only reason why there wasn't frozen is that it was moving and they it cut a hole in the ice so that we could get into the water and was interesting for me. In that moment I was a little bit nervous about the cold but I figured I'd be okay with that. I was more nervous Chris in face being on camera and being around other people in a bathing suit because a lot of the other people on the trip were literally instrument models and it brought up a lot of the insecurities and body issues that I have been trying to suppress for a really long time and conquering that getting in the cold water but more importantly Facing those body issue. I think really started a cascade of things. It would lead me to work through a lot of other emotional things as well. It's like I said more to come on that Also we got a chance as a family my husband and I take our kids to California with us for several weeks. We had a bunch of meetings back to back and so whenever possible. We try to travel with the kids then. We took our older kids to something called Expo West which is a huge share of natural products. And this was in research for wellness but it was also really fund to let the kids to be involved in the business and start to learn that world and then as far as travel goes in other highlight. I just returned from Cuba and that trip rip was really centering and I came home with just such immense gratitude. For how incredibly wonderful and easy we have life here and also just so much love for for the Cuban people who for all the politics aside they have really suffered at the as a result of all the political stuff and yet they are the so friendly so kind He felt completely safe and welcomed the entire time there and we got to hope and supported the Cuban people help the people there give some things to children and learn. NC The history there so that was an incredible trip that really just reminded me of how much gratitude we have for everyday life. I also this year have been on a journey to conquer fears and emotional struggles and so a big personal victory for me. This year was tackling something. That is a little bit hilarious Alaria but it was extremely scary to me which was learning how to sing. I have wished I could sing my whole life My parents are both partially deaf. So there really wasn't music in my house growing up and I didn't start listening to music until I was probably about ten and so it wasn't part of my kind of early childhood development and I never knew if I could sing. I was pretty sure I couldn't and I I was terrified to try and I always hope to. My kids would take voice lessons and had a moment earlier this year of realization of I want my kids to take voice lessons because I always wished I could could sing. Why don't I just take lessons and learn how to sing and that first day was really scary? Because I had no idea if I'd be able to do it at all and it's it's been one of the highlights of my year has been challenging. It's been wonderful. It's gotten me out of my comfort zone and as shout while funny part is so. Even though I was taking voice lessons I never had ever had plans to sink public. I was planning on avoiding that till the day I died. And one of my dear friends just had a big birthday and her wish for her birthday was that we would all goosing. Oh Sing Karaoke and I. I tried everything to get out of it. I was like I'll just be your backup singer or literally. I would rather be waterboarded. I don't want to do this. I tried everything and she was adamant and so last weekend. I faced which sound hilarious allow but probably my biggest fear that I could imagine which was singing in public But it's been a fun year of conquering though spears and it's funny. How things don't seem nearly so bigger so scary? In hindsight this also been as part of that emotional and mental tackling pulling a journey into stoicism for me a little bit. I'll share some favorite books at a minute from this year on. A lot of them are related to stoicism. But I've read a lot of Ryan holidays work and he has the daily STOIC and a couple of quotes that are really just kept recurring for me. This year are more foty and Memento Tomori and what those mean. A More T.. Means Love Your fate or love. What is and Memento Mori means? Remember that you will die and these kind of related but very different sentiments At this'll be a controversial comment but they will probably end up permanently inked on my body at some point soon because they've been so monumental for me this this year but the idea of Memento Mori just remembering that we will die in fact were in the process of dying every day and not taking life too seriously but also looking looking at how. What is the impact have with my life and what are the important things that are actually going to matter at the end and at least for me? That's meant things like time with my kids and making sure that I'm there for them and and help teach them inform them into adulthood got across lessons and important things before they leave which happened so quickly. The idea of a Moratti is to love your fate or to love what is and this one was more challenging to me because it it doesn't mean be okay with your fate doesn't mean accept what is if it's okay. It means truly actually love and be grateful for what is it's easy to do when life is wonderful. That's really hard to do when bad things. It's happened that we can't explain or we lose someone close to us or a relationship falls apart or anything. Painful happens and more fati speaks to the idea that we can't can't control the outcome and by trying to by holding onto that desire to control everything that happens we're actually only creating stress in our own lives and that still doesn't make us any more likely to be able to control it and we've also probably all had experiences where something that seemed horrible at a time ended up. Leading to or becoming impetus impetus for something. Incredible or there's things like perhaps it's bad thing that happened prevented something worship happened and we will never know but a more fatty is just a reminder very centering entering reminder to me to love what is to love where I am to love every part of the journey and it doesn't mean not to improve just means to like truly love and be grateful and joyful fool for the moment that was always at so to that end some favorite books from this year as well and there have been some incredible book recommendations on this podcast in past episodes from guests. I would recommend checking those out but some of my favorites have been anything from Ryan holiday. He had a new book out. This year called stillness is the key which was incredible edible. He also has the books. The obstacle is the way an ego is the enemy as well as the daily STOIC In a daily journal and I really really like all of his work I think he's one of thought. Leaders of our time and his work is incredible so highly recommend anything by Ryan holiday other books that have really just had an impact on me. Not that I fully agree with all of them The four agreements That's been an important book for me for several years. I also read a book called the untethered Seoul this year and we'll I didn't agree with everything in it definitely was food for thought and helps me to think through and work through some inner things. I love the art of learning by Josh White Skin. And I I recommend audiobook of that that Tim Ferriss was involved in. It's a great audiobook. Integrate Book overalled and lastly the Align Method for movement which is a new book that just literally. It came out today that I got to read an advance copy of that really breaks down the importance of certain kinds of movement and daily life and dispel some of the myths related to movement. Because you got a lot of those in our current society so all that to say again. I'm so grateful to be excited to be able to share wellness with you. I'm so grateful that you have been here as part of this journey as a listener for as long as short as you've been here and if you have a second and would be willing to give me a dairy short and easy to minute. At Christmas present I would be so grateful if you would leave an honest rating or review on whatever device or APP. You listen to podcasts on so as I tuned spotify. Whatever it may be doing that helps other people find this podcast and I also read every single review in every single piece of feedback related to the podcast and hope that I can can continually improve and make this podcast better and better for you guys? So always love your feedback. Low would love to know who you'd like to hear from what I can do better and end what you think of the podcast overall. So please consider taking a minute to leave a rating or review and I'd be incredibly grateful and as an ending note. I just I want to say thank you for spending time with me today for any time that you spent time almost dot com or listening to this podcast. I know just have your time. Is I know how valuable time is for all of us and I'm absolutely honored that you would choose to spend some of yours with me. I hope that you have a wonderful year and that you will join me again on on the next episode of the Wellness Mullah podcast.

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14 - Are We F***ing on a First Date?

Call Her Daddy

47:09 min | 1 year ago

14 - Are We F***ing on a First Date?

"You call him. Daddy. Do I call her daddy hall her daddy? Daddy's home. Welcome back. Is it is called her daddy presented by barstool sports. I think at this time it's safe to say on Wednesdays. We listened to call her daddy. Absolutely. Absolutely. So before we get into it. I wanna talk about our new favorite game. And it does have to do as sex believe it or not only God, I know everyone so shocked. They're like shocker, no pun intended. And it is so fun. Okay. So this game guys you may have heard of it. It's called. That's what she says. So fia. You're more obsessed with like by car people think I'm such a weirdo. I live and breathe and breathe board games card games. Like, I think it's so fun and. Yeah, I'm not personally into them. But this was right up. My alley for call her daddy. That's what she said is a raunchy nasty card game. And it's amazing so FIA, and I the first time we used it. We did like girls night in with our roommate Lauren. We got some wine we got some cheese, and we started playing this game. And it was we were like crying because guys what ended up happening personally for us when we were playing. That's what she said. We basically there's nasty cards, and it's funny, and it's hilarious sexual innuendos. And then you end up just going off on tangents. We're like it. What's your favorite first date start? Then talking about the guy we were hooking up with game pretty much, you'll learn all of your friends dirty secrets legit. So exactly. So guys this week. We are giving you guys drum roll, please. Obviously a discount code four. That's what she said. This is a perfect time. Also for the holidays guys, you can get this as a little gift for someone. So right now, our listeners got twenty percent off because we. You guys up like that? And you're just going to go to that's what she said game dot com. When you use our code daddy owned my God type in deck. Do. Do go that's actually sick. So use the code daddy at that's what she said game dot com. And you're gonna get twenty percents off your entire order. Okay. Guys and honesty. This game. Really is thirty is your mind makes it AK when playing it's fucking discuss. We should actually start filming ourselves playing the game and your guys this shit. We talked about left me when we played this on Saturday. I was like, okay, we can use this up in episodes. So guys hook yourself up with. That's what she said game get raunchy and send us in some things you guys say during promo code daddy's Audi. Okay, guys. Let's get right into it who sex on the first date. Oh, so FIA sex on the first day. We've all done it, Robin. This podcast is called call her daddy. So if you wanna fuck on a first date fuck on a first date. Absolutely. Do you agree? One hundred percent. We've said that impact up sewed you guys wanna. Fuck fuck freely. I've been there. Okay. There's passion. You guys chemistry? Your vibe ING things are getting hot and heavy. You both wanna do it. Do it with that said Whipple said you gotta be purported? Here we go. So you've got to be prepared to never hear from this guy ever again of lend. That's just the t- the we'll I think you, and I have talked about that people right in there. Like holy shit. I got ghosted. Fuck this guy in the first state. I'm so upset. Listen. I think what we want to emphasize is that there is a chance. Even if you didn't fuck him on the first date. He was gonna ghost you anyways. And so it's hard for girl. Sometimes because would you be more butthurt? If you walked away from that date, you hadn't fucked Ardell chock it up as a loss, these ghosting, but girls get way more, but hurting. I fuck in spread my legs open. He entered me. He fucked me. And now, he's never gonna talk takes the stakes just way highway higher. If he doesn't talk to you. And you guys had not done anything. It's easier to brush off right, basically, you'll most fucked. My your eagle might hurt a little, but the the moral of it is you'll never really know if it was because you fucked or because you didn't. So that's hard to move on. This is a really interesting topic. Because Alex, I've talked about this our backgrounds with that. Yes. So different will. I think also just when we tell you guys this think about yourself to think about your poss- because I think everyone has different situations with how it goes if they fuck on a first date. It also depends on the guy, but just read your audience and read your pass, and like what working doesn't work for you me personally on my experiences. I would say my last three boyfriends my last three series relationships. It started off us party. Being and raging together. And then finally like one night we hook up then I mean, maybe like continually hook up. But after that, then we're like, wait, we really like each other. Let's go on a day. None. I'm saying that like, okay. I know you pretty entered me. But like, let's get to know each other over this candle at dinner legit. You're like hi we fucked and now it's time for some sushi, that's appropriate. But I mean, we always talk about how we are a little different were so similar in so many aspects. But this specifically is just a little different for both of us because so that's happened for Sophea. And that's how a lot of your long term relationship star from partying then hooking up. I completely different. Most of my longer term relationships have started where like I start texting guy. And then we start hanging out. And then eventually will fuck and my whole thing and listen way, I make them wait. And listen this has nothing to do with being a holy roller. Being like, I'm saving my shit for marriage. No. No one. Okay. I'm not saving my ship for marriage person. Okay. But no. So I basically how this thing that I've been doing since college. I remember my best friend's brother told me and her before we went to college do not hook up with someone your first semester of college. And I took that to heart and now to this day, I still use it because this is this is what I do. I just don't for my game. Personally. I don't like to give it up. I like to make them work for it. I'm not a fucking tease, but I never have sex with them in like the first month to two months. Okay. I don't make them. Wait a month or two. Yes. Are you doing other stuff? Sofia. Of course, what does the Cooper specials now, if I don't put it to, you know? Yeah. And so like, for example, I absolutely in getting some PP in my mouth. But but I'm not letting it go in the and that's just an again, I want to confirm. I'm not judging any girls that are giving it up on the first night mine's not about being like, I don't wanna let him have it. It's literally me being like, I know this shit works when I make a guy. Wait the longer. I make it weak. He just keeps coming back and coming back. And then that gives me the opportunity in timeframe to basically get obsessed with me. So then that when we do fuck, I basically have full control of whether I want to take it to dating keep fucking very calculate. I am so. I am more like. Let's okay -solutely. Absolutely. I think that's great do. But I also think it's very important that I am hooking up with these guys. I'm not fucking being a prude where they're like this girl's the most boring bitch to hook up with. I am getting his dick wet just specifically with my mouth and he's going down. Okay. But with us. Said you don't want to pull out all the fucking stock. Exactly. That's what I was gonna like when you're hooking up with a guy for the first time. You don't want to pull out your Lisa and performance. Absolutely not. They don't deserve that. And we've said this million times you can have great sex without being a total free. Yeah. Listen girls, there is just this double standard, and it's like every single time. A girl goes to with a guy for the first time if you perform like a nasty ass freak in the bedroom. He it may love it. But afterwards he's going to go up to his friends and be like how how was it? He's amazing. Fuck she's nastiest shit, and in their mind, I could never date her because they associate with nasty with having experience and being a spot, which is really fucked up. It's so fucked honestly, like, they're judging you like if you do a great performance, they're just automatically thinking like she must get a round. Jeff. Material. Fuck you watch a lot of fucking porn, and my vibrators my best God, damn friend. And I go to town on myself. So right long pent up actual energy. But we just keep it real you guys. So that is a possibility with the said if you really really like this guy, then don't give him your great performance. I o save a little stuff for down the road girls. Not lay there like a dead fish. Don't get it. Twisted. They listen to caller dowdy, Alex, laying there like, okay? Thank you. Because go ahead. I was just going to say from my perspective. If I felt like I wanted to pull all the stops on the first time and the guy like judge me for it. I also would be like, well, then he's not the guy for me. Oh, yeah. Fuck like different ways to what was that girl that wrote into us, and she was like, I went to this guy's house fucked me, and then, but I didn't come. And what did she say? She said that she like, oh, and he said, you nev he's. Said you don't call me Dadi like when we're fucking and after they fucked like she'd grabbed up all of her shit. And she was like you are not daddy. I am daddy. And I am not here to make you come yet or something like that. Like, you're here. You should be here to make me and walked out on like, okay? Hi, this girl needs to come out our podcast to come. We fucking love that shit. So back to the whole thing guys. If you're looking up, we'll girls if you're hooking up with a gun, the first eight go fucking into give him a grade like seven performance, but don't I don't know. Maybe go crazy guy reminds me of the Gluck Gluck. This is something I wanted to confirm about the Gluck Gluck. I know ladies, I gave you the double hand twist Gaca combo or getting sloppy. We're getting noises you're getting icon tact, double hands going different ways. Amazing. This is what I do though. And I wanna make sure you guys start doing this too. And I apologize taking me this long to realize I didn't tell you guy says I don't ever give the guy the Gluck Gluck nine thousand the first time we're hooking up fucking never because you don't want to use all of your ammo in the first go round agree like imagine. Because then what you know what I mean? So what I do is. I always the guy that I always talk about male x three thousand maybe not even the three thousand it's like the preview to the Gluck Gluck. So I always text my friend after I'm like give him head. And he's like what was your performance? And usually on the first soaked usually on the first time, I give guy head I will go in and I personally label it like a grade six in my repertoire that would be a sick. So it's an above everyone else to our that's a fucking twenty. So no. So I give guy a blow job, and it's a six, which means that. Shit was an above average blow job for sure I would never walk away being like oh fuck I could sucked better. No, I leave there with feeling confident. But there are in my mind. I'm like, oh my God. I have this. I can bring in. I didn't even double hint twist shit. The sloppy wasn't even disgusting. I can you know, not you build up to build it up has then if it's an above average there like holy shit. This girl knows how to fuck and suck dick. But also, they're not like that was the nasties fucking thing that like she looks like a porn star by your fifty when you whip that shelter like, okay? So let's get married because holy shit. I'm in love, and it just almost looks like you are trying new things on him little today. Fucking. No you've been able to do the whole time. You're stuck in holding out. I mean brought to you by the mind. Alex Cooper, the fucking mind. Fuck that she is. It's really great. It's really brilliant. I wanna say guys this does not pertain to you know, this is not pertain. To you every single time in the bedroom. You need to be pulling out all the stops giving them you're one hundred percent. Yes. So Feo don't get say I like make this girl. I don't want to give her all I'm not gonna rest too hard. I'm not gonna throw into different positions. No. Because so feel you and I we're both saying that it's like, and like we no I was gonna say we were both about to come in here being like, all right? Like what what can we tell guys for the rule? Fucking on the first date. It doesn't fucking apply to God. No, no. What guy on a first day is like trying to like give the girl the build up and not pull out all the stops. And he's like let me just go down on, you know, sex yet. Let me know. I all my dick mayor also we didn't even want to tell guys if they have sex on the first date or not Alexa. You just said because what guy in their right mind goes on a date with a girl and the girl is ready to spread her legs. And he turns it down and he's not ready to spread. Yeah. He's like, it's just not the right time. Like, I'm not ready. I'm on my myriad. Like what like what can they say? There's no excuse in. So I just think also for guys being mindful. You better be pulling out your fucking stallion performance every single time. Because like we've talked about in previous episodes. There are GDR's. And there are BDR's GDR equals a good dick review and ABI DR equals a bad dick review. And if you do not perform your first night and make her fuck in wetter than anything and make her fucking come or at least a temp to she's going back to Oliver homegirl. And she's like that guy. Can't fuck. So fucking blow all your style. I mean, cutting back from a BDR's nearly. Possible. We've said, but doesn't that fucking suck guys? Just get to go full rampant it up every goddamn time. And we're over here. Like, okay. So I'm going to give them the six and the next maybe seven and a half, and then all of these games. These don't apply when you're older for like people in their twenties and in college, even Alex approaching an age where no one in their forties and fifties is like, okay. So I'm going to go on the date with him. But I'm gonna hold out like they don't have time or like going on the date, and if it's going, well, we're fucking or moving on. Yeah. We everyone we talked to tonight age, and they're like if I'm wasting my Saturday or my Thursday to go on a date with this guy if I like him I'm fucking him. And if I don't we know so many people that are like I will leave after appetizers and be like your great guy. Just don't think the chemistry's there and they balanced exact. But we know that our demographic also a lot of you could be in college, and that is such a different scene guys. Because it's like you may be sucking someone. And then you know, that like oh fuck if I fucked them on the first date their friends with this person in that social, so there's so many more layers to I feel like we're approaching age like guy. I guess we'll be doing a lot of fucking on a first day. Oh PSA. But we just we're to saying fuck on the first eight of you want to don't get fucking nasty nasty. Don't like get on the bed. Naked like dangle your head off the bed and be like come sit your dick in my mouth and like fuck my throat. Yeah. Is till I possibly preferrably. There is there is no face fucking going on a first days. Fucking ace. Fucking. Can we talk about base lex go fucking face fucking throat fucking going on then so beautiful. They are what that is what we love here at call her Dadi. Let's talk about face fucking. So well, actually, I feel like a lot of girls in the Dadi gang have reached out to us and said guys, I don't know what to do. I have such about gag reflex. And like they're like brushing their teeth, and they like almost throw out. Really sticking their toothbrush back to try to practice for that night. And they end up hurling been there brushing, the back of my tongue, and I'm like. I won't be doing like anytime. So with being said, listen face fucking is like not for everyone. So like, I'm not on here like girls get into a guys like, I know some guys are just not in. Well, I don't know. But so face fucking. Let's talk about face fucking because I have a position I wanna talk about that. I think is really really good for girls and really good for guys. So you just mentioned the head over the bed, which is not it. But we can talk about that in a minute. Okay. Girls envision yourself laying on your back like you're going to sleep. And you get him on top of you. And you pull him up basically to your face like as if you're when you let go and they go sit on my face. He's basically sitting on it's important that you have a pillow behind your head. You don't want to be completely flat on a mattress. So your head's on the pillow the guys on top of you. And. His dick goes in your mouth. Okay. Right. Perfect. Okay. Great. I figured it would go in the mall. Perfect. So once he's in there. This is why love this position you are gonna have your head a little bit where you got your neck could get cramped a little bit. So you can go back and forth off the pillow a little bit. But you raise your head a little bit off the pillow, and he's gonna start face fucking, basically. But you're gonna put your hands on the back of his thighs. So to him it's like holy shit. She wants to take all of me like got so hot. And you're basically going to control his rhythm of the thrust. And that way, this is a position you can really fucking almost throw up like your Gog reflects is because the angle. Yes. Yes. So what you wanna do is with your hands on the back of his thighs? You're almost he's going to think it's so hot 'cause you're taking control of his speed. But at the same time, you're almost helping yourself out because you're controlling it. The minute you feel guys. Like you are like holy fuck. I cannot take this thing anymore. I am out of breath. I can't say like curls. You know, your limit. I know like I've been there before I'm like, oh my God. If I don't like to get my hands involves are turning blue during blue. I go throwing up like I grills have gotten. Oh, four oh throwing up on the day. We'll and I was gonna say it happens. And so when you're doing this need to be prepared like okay girls while you're thrusting him forward? The best thing to do. The why I'm telling you to have the pillow is the minute you feel that you could possibly gag you pull your head back to the pillow. So that you pull out of his dick AK. That's why I told you if you're on the flat mattress, you're fucked your little getting so. Yeah. Getting change. So make sure you back up. And then what's going to happen is you will start licking the side of his piece go down to his balls start licking the tip. And this is the position girls. I know sometimes we say don't always keep I contact. This position is one hundred percent I contact when a guy is looking down at you. And he sees his whole fucking dick Ingram mouth and that position. Like seeing your eyes looking up at him. And it's like a Baena shoving you know, what I mean? So hot him guy. You listen, you just need to make sure that you are taking it in certain ways. And you're stopping when you're ready and a guy is gonna freak the fuck out, and the more sloppy you can get with it better any blowjob try this position could throw I was thinking about the position where you like lay flat on the bed with like on your back and your head dangling off. And then that is like an actual face. I wear like you literally just hang your mouth open latest. But like literally head down like Spiderman kids exam, you're kissing. His dick you're guessing as Weiner instead and like that like you can actually pass out because that's a full goal fucking situation. I was gonna say that is like I personally don't like that position for girls because you at that, very moment, ladies lose all control early you. He's actually fucking your face, and you can't pull away. Yeah. You're gonna. Like you have. No, you have no room. Go left. You can't go right? You're stuck. You're taking your gag. That is when you throw up on a day that is when you throw up on a dick, which is so common. And that's what I want to tell everyone. It is so common and guys are like it's so gross. And I'm like it can happen if she's trying to deep throat you like an animal. It's like when you're having anal, right? Like you Mike it poop on your dick. And not to be the risk. You're willing to take because you're trying to fuck her out. China's fucker throat like some throw up might come out. But it is listen on the guys poop, dick. Call me about a middle school k. The throw up thing. Guys. Listen girls, I'm gonna get to minute guys. I understand it's fucking nasty ago. Yet it girls it has happened to the best of us. You throw up the difference in the throw up. There are some girls. I literally have read people writing in and being like I fucking hurled all over him down on that. That's a full throats shit. That's when you need a pop up and be like, let's go to the shower. Yeah. I was gonna say that. Yeah. You got gotta almost when guys if something gross happens during sex a lot of time guys are like what the fuck do idea. That's when you grab your man us. You don't even give him a chance of all right? Let's go to shower come on. Let's go the show you can freak later. He can freak out but get him in the shower. But if it's just, you know, a little bit comes up for three years off again in interior mouth just use it as loop. This might be a little chunkier than regular. Little bit warmer than lube, but you just got to do it. And if you can you just slurp it back down lend, you just keep going out at like the champ that you are. Yes. A coming. What are you gonna do really at that point? No listening. When you're younger, you know, how you cry when you throw up and you need your mom's like rub your back. They were just like get the fuck out of my face. Fucking throughout my dick up into the mill yet male ex-milf hunter, the man the myth legend. He was telling me a story guys. He said he fucked this broad, so great. There were passed out. Basically. She was a come savage a psycho. She got on top of him right after and literally started sucking his soft, dick. And she was like I wanted again. And he's like all right. All right here, we go. I'm not really in the mood. But okay. And she starts sucking his dick until it gets hard. And she's going so him. He was like this wasn't even a Glock look nine thousand this was like a suction. I don't even know what the fuck you would call it. And he was like it was a lot. It was a tornado on my dick. And all of a sudden, he was a Cooper, I feel on my dick. My eyes are closed. I looked down and she has her mouth like a chipmunk. It looks all my alarm, I feel some chunks, and I'm like this. Bitch, just threw up all over my fucking piece. And when he said, she he was like in this wasn't just like a little bit like I've had inclination sometimes girls throw up. He said this full blown was a mouthful of throb and she swallowed it back up like fucking clam chowder. Almost go. He said afterwards. He literally got up. He was so mortified he said, thank you. Please. Let yourself out. He ran to the bathroom. He said I stood in the shower for over thirty minutes with my forehead against the wall. And I contemplated my entire existence. The post that clarity the post we've talked about the POS. Nut clarity is a real fucking thing. It's after a guy comes en his entire life flashes before his eyes. Everything becomes crystal clear twenty twenty vision, and he is just like, wow. What the fuck is how I just went down. You guys have to understand the PNC will call it. We should make t shirts about pose nut clarity the post. Not clarity guys. Every single guy haves has after they come. Yeah. Like, they literally sit there, and they are just in a different dimension. That is why sometimes girls get hurt when you're a guy gets up. He walks to the. Threw me top into me before where I'm like, I just got done having sex to the guy and he rolls over, and I'm laying there, and I'm like this bitch is not about to not give me attention that just went down. But it's true. Like, they need like one to two minutes to like sobre legiter actually know the opposite the most sober. That's true. Every it's like, they when they roll over in the bed and they've seen a minute the girls like like coming cuddle. No, you need to give them. That's what I know girls freak out when they do go to the bathroom, and they shut the door girls are like what the fuck was that bad. It was probably could have been amazing doesn't matter. That's also when guys this happens. This is not specific to you every girl it literally happens when they Jack off to porn literally after they come anytime anywhere. Whether it's in the Mason jar in your vagina in the sheets in their sock. It doesn't fucking matter. They are going to have that moment of need to be totally. And if he's standing up and going to the shower girl Yushu too. To go to the bathroom in peace. You don't get UTI. All. Absolutely. So don't freak out when they have the post clear, I think girls have the POS not clarity to though. Absolutely. No, not obviously as bad. But right. It's their the post it note story, the post it note story only friends. Because I love not clarity guy. Miliver seen. Oh my God. I I'm actually really okay guys. All right. Sorry. I just forgot about this shit. All right. This is called the post it note story. Yeah. Let's get into post it. No, that's beautiful. This is what the posted notes story is. So my at the time it was this is about a year ago. I had a friend in town, and she and I hadn't seen each other while we were super excited. I at the time was dating a guy, and I was living with him. We shared an apartment. So he was out of town. She was coming to stay. With me. We go out one night. We went to catch. Ooh, LA foul. Bunt catches like a restaurant slash turns into a club at night. If you guys don't live in New York. So we're at catch, and we find this group of guys, and you know, they're cute. They're talking to my friend there. Talking to me. I'm just fucking third Bill and over here, but I was happy because I wanted her to get it in. She was in town. You know? So we start talking to these guys. My friends starts hitting it off with this guy. They start making out, and we didn't I didn't even think about it in like a weird way. She was like he's gonna come back, and I'm like perfect create. Yeah. Bring it back to our apartment. It's funny. What alcohol dude you oh for sure? Oh, absolutely going. Yeah. Come on back. But also because she was in town. She didn't want to go like a Rando apartment. So I'm like, yeah. Bring a box department. We're in the car we get back to the apartment we walk up to the apartment. Probably thought it was like at three cents a okay, I was gonna say so I've walked up there with your boyfriend also year friend in guy, and you're drunk. So you're probably like all over. Overhand like all the door matter staring at me like what the fuck is sled up to do. We need to warn her boyfriend. I'm like, no, no, we're good. We walk into the apartment. Now, guys. Let me explain to you that the apartment I was living in was not a normal New York City -partment it didn't have the rug that so there's no ruggedness. There was no poop and pee coming out of their bathroom. It was just it was a way nicer it was like a museum. Yeah. How would you expand? It was like it was like borderline pet house just as high rise gorgeous apartment views were incredible of off like no twenty something year old girl is can afford to live in. There was no fucking way. I was that was so the guy comes up we walk into the apartment and he stops in his tracks. And he's like what the fuck. He was like do you guys live here? And I remember being like, yes, it's like our place to of. Meanwhile, meanwhile, the decoration in my apartment at the the member of. Delia like there were like twelve pictures of your ex boyfriend like jerseys. It was it was literally museum of all of this athletic ships. I'd probably looked like a fucking great psychopath like van like the biggest fan. I just love sports. So anyway, so he sees it whatever we ended up saying it was placed go into the bedroom and the guy's shoes and clothes away. Really? Why do you have all these men's clothing dressed like a boy on? So they go fuck in the morning. I'm sound asleep in my bed, and my friend comes in. She's like knocking joy out. I'm like, woah. She's like I need to come in. She closes the door. She locks it. She gets into bed. She's naked. I'm like what the fuck is going on. Like, what did he do? She's like nothing. It was unbelievable great sex. But I just don't want to see him again. And I was like wait what she's like a high do not want to see this man again. And I'm like, okay. But what the fuck dude like this guy's in our apartment like what are you gonna do? She's like, no, no, I took care of it. And like what the fuck do. You mean, you took care that? She's like I wrote on a post it note. And I said thanks for last night. Sorry, but I need to be alone right now, you can let yourself out and then she left her number at the bottom. Shouldn't you put it on his head? Didn't she do? You put the posted on his forehead and left him in the bedroom and came in here, honestly, it's not that crazy because if you want you need to make sure that this guy sees the post where are you gonna put on his day? Exactly. She was like he better on the four and let himself out so we're laying there, and we were freaking out though, because we hear him get up, and he opens the door. We hear him walking around the apartment at this point. I'm like this bitch is about to steal everything. Like, this guy is just shopping. He's walking out with jersey. And I'm like, honestly, like take what you need and just replace. I look out. So well, the best part of the story you guys this man wrote into call her daddy a couple of weeks ago a year later near later, I'm sitting in my bed. I am reading. The call her daddy questions you guys right into the site. And I scream in our -partment on like. Run into your room. And you're like the guy that hooked up with my friend in my ex-boyfriends apartment that got the post a note on his forehead wrote in so guys, I wouldn't have to read. I I took a little snippet. He basically told the whole story and he ended up saying towards I was sober enough. When we got back. I finally recognize who you were in which athletes apartment I was in. So it turns out he did know he knew he knew he did. No, he can new if you went into that apartment. You would know. So then he said funniest part was I woke up alone completely naked with a post it note on my head saying that the girl needed to be alone and went into the other pass out to top it off. She only gave me six digits. This leads me to my question. Can you get me that lasted from the girl I plugged over your ago? Thank you for the memorable night. Shit was epic. She won't be love six inches of missing digit, dude. I like what the fuck. She's like, honestly, I don't even know. I was so fucking hammered still whatever. But that was on your fucking thing. Unlike the fact that she had the post cleared in the morning, she's like, I don't wanna fuck out. I don't wanna talk to him ever again. I mean, I I she can lasted till the morning. I mean, my post clarity is like a guys. I'm like literally after I'm done. The guy goes to get me glass of water when he comes back. I'm like putting my pants on. And I'm like, oh my overs outside things for the water. Gotta go to you. Okay. So FIA, you literally I think it was like three months four months ago so fee was hooking up with this guy consistently. Oh, and you would be out going on a date with this guy. I'm like, okay of fun. You're going to sleep there. So feels walking in three AM five am twelve like every night that she went out with this dude she's rolling in. Why not staying that was for real like I was out of their one. In time. I was putting my clothes on to leave. And he was like, no he was like, Nope. You're link back down, and like you're spending the night with this is getting out of control. Because dude like you at that point. I feel like you kind of take over control because dudes like all right? I'm fucking you. And it's the whole thing we say when girls high five dude and piece of fuck out. And they're y what it is. I'm not trying to be cool. I'm not trying to play a game with. No, I don't wanna sleep in bed with a guy. I'm not comfortable with can you agree with me on that? Do you remember absolutely to remember the guy I was kind of hooking up with the few months ago? And he we were I wouldn't say we were about certainly dating. But we were more serious. And so I I don't know why the fuck I did it. But I stayed over one night. I'm like, all right. I'm gonna just stay. All right. He's buying dinners. You taking me out enough. I guess asleep, right at slumber. So I sleep there, and I don't sleep fucking minute guys. I am laying there like little mummy and my casket. I'm like do. I'm like hunting, the our checking my phone looking yearly Bena sleep. So I remember do you? Remember the one day? I texted you, and I'm like Sophia. I am losing my fucking mind. It's six AM out of here. Tex me, and she's like you're going to call me. And you're gonna say you're locked out of the apartment, and I'm an answer the phone, so I can leave and I didn't even talk back like, hey, Alex. I'm locked out of the apartment wanna come by while I put my phone dive wreck next to that mother fuckers head put it on loud. And so goes off, and he's like, and I'm like who's phone is pretending. I didn't know goddamn. Well, just fuck in texted. You blow me up. I'm not the type shit. I don't think guys would ever know girls do that. I mean, oh my God. There is nothing more irritating than when you're laying there and the guy is sound asleep. And you know, that you will not be able to go to sleep. Like it pisses me off on a level that is not normal for something. That's so natural to happen. Why do girls do this guy's girl? I don't know if it's just like, it's every girl we need attention. I don't know what it is. I don't want him to be asleep until I'm God. Oh my God. If I am like laying there, and I look over and he is sound asleep. And he's making that little peaceful face. I wanna fucking punch to that. Like, this is here he goes, so FIA I used to do this ex-boyfriend like I would do the classic like kind of like smack him a little bit like his nose like do stuff. So you'd like be like. Like, whatever to wake him up. That's not enough. It wasn't enough. Never. And so what I started to do. Jesus christ. She comes guys go bring it. I would be like babe, babe. I just heard a noise like, I'm terrified. There's someone down stairs. It was so scary like, please. Please go check on him. He would be like, babe. I'm asleep. Leave. And he's like, oh my. Lease. So he would stand up so going stairs like look around. And by the time, he's back up to our room. He had gotten up was walking around the house, and he's a wait. And you wait, and you and then we'll take it way longer to fall back sleep than if you just like you did a little slap. What do you have to movie? Good. I'd like your wake me to I couldn't fall asleep. Either. Like, what should we do throw show? He's like don't guys that is thing you have to get them to stand up that high end up by her to noise, babe. Someone's in the house that doesn't matter they make him. Do a lap. To the room they're awake. And you're like I've taught my boyfriend seven he started to get your this is fucked up. He's he started to get really bad executive. Sleep around. Because he knew about it pissed me off like you said that he would fall asleep in like after he'd been asleep like one to two minutes like he would like hurry in like look over. And I would just like these laying there like staring it, so. You know, we like we came we came to the middle you before and decided that the best thing for the both of us was for me to fall asleep. I and he could fall asleep. And that's what relationships are all about finding a middle ground. That's what we did too. And guys are going to be listening to like what the fuck probably guys don't understand the things girls do when we fucking lay there when it's like a one night stand or you just don't want to be there, and you were mother love. And if I'm not comfortable with the guy, I'm Audi I'm good plan. The Uber before we up. I'm like, okay time. Here we go. Let's get a quick holy shit. Beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing your psychotic. Should I think everyone loves that? I mean, we all have it. Right. All right questions. Let's the glacial questions zoo e list ninety two fuck and go to sleep too. Oh. Okay. First question Jesus. I question you guys were talking about sending attacks to the wrong person. I did that. But with my mom. I was sexting my boyfriend some really filthy, disgusting, nasty shit and accidents Senate to my mom. She was mortified, and I thought I was still texting my boyfriend. So I said something like you don't like that baby. I ended up getting it was a mistake. It was too many mother. I want to do that is a fucking word. I remember one time I was like in high school or some shit was doing should I shouldn't have been doing got blackout and party guys bed. And I texted my friend that was other party with me. I'm like, dude, I in full blown naked in this guy's bed. I need due to get me out of here. And I texted to my goddamn fucking mother. And she's like, Alexandra you, okay, what's wrong. And I'm like, I'm it's over. Okay. It's time. Sorry. But I don't think that's as bad as full on new. Oh, sending a nude that shit. Oh, can you? Imagine sending a full-blown vid- a little nice vide-. I've happened the kind of knock two. Well, we're popping the cliff. Okay. I am. So sorry writing it. Thank you writing in that should is. I'm so sorry about that situation. The next one. So I'm looking with this guy throws a condom on. He starts thrusting. I was a bit confused at his over exaggerated moans because his dick was underneath me in between my sheets and my ass. I wasn't sure what he was going for. But I just went for it with a minute for a minute. And then he fucking came in my sheets shortly after and he told me my pussy was tight. Really? He was fucking railing. My nylon bedsheets what the fuck she goes. He panicked right after because the condom broke implying. He thought he was inside me for that short, right. If you're listening to this podcast, they call her dowdy podcast. And you don't know if you're in a vagina or if you're in between her and a bed. She go home. What the hell home? What guys? Listen owning this feels so good this book and pussies so tight you're like your fucking my chic. I would just wanna fuck with me. Like, I think I'm pregnant pregnant. I was freaking out the condom breaking dude. Oh, my fucking idiot. Moving on. I don't even wanna give that guy's second of our time unless he's like in middle school or high school. I mean, what age is what? Okay. So if you go okay this girl road, and she said, what is your advice if you've been fucking guy for about a month casually? And now you're over it and don't wanna fuck anymore. Do you say you're over it or goes the fuck out of him? Oh my God. So many girls right into us. And they're like, hey, like, I'm doing this with this guy. I'm kind of over it like what do I do? And I'm like why is that a question? What do you do you ghost? The fuck out of you, literally Lee he never hears from Yuga guys lie. Do you care? This is the thing. I think girls over think something's way too much. There is no appro unless you're in a full-blown dating relationship. There is no appropriate way to be like, hey, we've fucked multiple times. And now, it's my time to Skopje. I'm over it. I'm gonna go find new dick than for your services. Thank you for the war guy. But it's time for me to find wing, right? No. I mean, totally it's boyfriend girlfriend. That's obviously, you guys are fucked buddies. You do not oh him anything. I mean, if you don't wanna be such a dick. I think also the best way to do it is just slowly stop answering kind of ghost in. Then you kind of don't and your responses are just bland, and you always blow up the plan. I he'll get the him. But I do want to also address that we acknowledged there are some people that are in college settings are group settings. I get it's a little bit harder. If you're fucking with a guy, that's like in your friend group because you don't want to ruin a relationship or split up the group, and I think that more so is what we just said start kind of like waning off and just almost be Gallagher. I think everyone's going out tonight. We can hang out there. And then just don't go home with him and just literally lane off the fucking totally girls. If again, if you're done beef back and done just like guys. Yeah. I mean guys can do it all the time girls and we start ghost goddamn dowdy. Well, this may be one of the only podcast telling. To go. That's okay, go last question. How do I tell my boyfriend that he's not good at eating the out? Oh, so first we got to bring up the Cuco. We gotta bring the Kuch Kuch Gump is. Episode five if you can have him listen to it with you without his feelings, getting her say go, this is how you don't get his feelings for girls, you blame everything on call her daddy. So what you're going to do is you're gonna say holy shit. Babe. I am listening to this podcast and this they're a couple episodes one. I have so many things I want to try on you for a blow job, I found this new technique. But there's this shit. I want you to try me. I think it's going to be so fucking hot. So horny I want you to listen to unless you tried on meet tonight. Oh my God. Like a positive reinforcement like excited, you've got to approach everything basically mind fucking them. If you wanna tell them something you bring it positive. You're nice about it. And you're like this Kuch cobbler baby. You doing on me? I can't even fucking right? And he's going to be like only on my friends wet over this podcast. I listen, I've only dated guys where they wanted me to tell them what I like. They wanted me to literally tell the verbatim. Like what I want to go down. I've told you, but I guess there are guys that get their egos. Bruce, I had a guy friend that was never really like wanted to go down on girls that he was just kind of fucking because he said, I know I'm great at fucking. I know my go-to positions but eating girl out is something I'm not as confident, and so I kind of stray away from it. And I think listen guys have a lot of guys and their egos. Get Bruce so easily, especially when it comes to sexual things so girls if you want to tell your guy, something you can't be so direct with them. Because magin if you're you fucking suck and giving head like that's not what anyone wants to hear a sexual shit. Because then what happens is the minute. He then goes down you the next time. He's insecure thinking, oh my God. It does. She think this one sucks positive. They want to switch it up and try something and blaming on colored Audi and show them up sewed five Kuch cobbler combo. I mean baby that shit is real and you'll be letter than ever guy. Is I think that's it another Wednesday down daddy game. I mean, it's December. Oh my God. We're getting close to new years. There's so many episodes. We have coming up. There's so much content. We can't wait for listening to this. We love you. We will see you next Wednesday by gangs.

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Episode 98, Berlin: Musa Okwonga

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Episode 98, Berlin: Musa Okwonga

"Those sounds are from the girl bondholder subway stop named after a historic train station that like so many in Berlin or its geography in its name. The trains from the tsar bond hove headed toward girl. A small city in Saxony a couple hundred kilometers away. Burying people and coal. Because this Germany also pickles, lots and lots of pickles. I always love seeing how these small towns are name checked in the capital's greatest landmarks, the Brandenburg Gate, the Prenzlauer bag, and many more. Because it reminds me of the deep line running bright in the sole. Berlin. Fall it's the culture. Berlin is a world city of diverse and humming center of Global Creativity and commerce. But. It is also a provincial place pinned down like Gulliver by history and geography by a dozen little rail lines to all of these ailing small towns throughout the former East Germany. Girl it's is not just a regional pickle hub and a drop dead gorgeous film shoot location. It is also a town whose bright young people abandon it as soon as they can a wary and listless place that had a far-right mayor candidate with piggly late in the campaign racing. I know towns like that because I lived in one of them in eastern Germany as a teenager. And I lived in Berlin proper after that. Has An outsider. It can make your head Spannis chasm between the free spirited corners of Berlin, the other one, the wary walled off. As an outsider, I found lifelong friends and small town eastern. Germany even as a kid with Jewish sounding name at the start of the Neo Nazi revival of the nineteen nineties. As an outsider though particularly, if you've got darker skin than mine, you can be made to feel just how unwelcome you really are there. That conflict in the life of any foreigner in Germany has been with me for decades and it's why when I read a self published excerpts from writer Musso Congas new work in the end, it was all about love. It went straight into my veins. He did that thing that writers can do for us all. Putting down some truth that feels like it's about your own life even if you didn't have the words for it. That's why I'm starting these next five episodes in Berlin with Mussa, a poet and podcast. But cater and Moscow mule drinker a relatively recent transplant to Berlin who speaks so clearly already about this place. These episodes were recorded of course in the before covid times. But the summer is almost over cove is not going anywhere. And I think they show is ready for some of the evergreen glow of these cities Berlin first and then Havana Cuba that will be there for us all when this is all. these new episodes will be coming out every other Monday. And in a particularly sweet Coda, we are also going to be a releasing previously paywall archive episodes, forty five and all from London to reveal to Nairobi the beautiful beautiful baby. will be coming out in this feed. Every Thursday three for everyone for the very first time. I'm also happy to update you that since we talked for this episode Mussa found a publisher for his. And you'll be able to preorder it from rough trade books starting in November. Oh and that immigrant bashing far-right mayor candidate who was leading the polls girl it's. The Greens and the Socialists and the Christian Democrats all threw their weight behind a single candidate to take him down. There Guy Romanian immigrants named Octavian or sue one and is now the proud and capable new mayor of Berlet's German? There is hope everywhere. This is Nathan Berg and from roads and Kingdoms you are listening to the trip drinking with exceptional people around the world. Now here's moves with me talking about those Moscow Mules. Blind to it because. Perception and giving. A good generous. What is good? Think is a good beginning. With, the handle. VOCA DEBICA, we'll be more that we will. Have done it starts. Yeah. We'll make it professionals. Seven years. I've pro I'm a poet. The Excellent Barton? Cry. Increasing silence. These toast squeeze a bit. Got It. Okay. No cheers cheers. Thank you. Thanks for coming. He's all about, Hey, off-balance you're a pro you. Your opponent is putting the level. That I almost Never going into that. and. Now, it's on your fucking writer for podcast appearances. We're GONNA drank. Let's do Moscow mule. It's funny. It had to be that they had to be the meal. So why? Why Moscow Mule? Because it's an old style drink. If you go to other countries, go to London nostrum Moscow. Mule they'll be like that's an old drake like it's a drink the happening drunk regularly seventies or something. and. Associated with my first few months in Berlin where. Dating a woman. Angela shout out to Angela if you're listening. To and We to these balls. This was like the favorite drink. And it was also five zero and you just kind of get into it ready fast. Traditional bread and drink kip. That's interesting. I mean you'd figure I don't know I I. For someone who? Loves Vodka let's be honest and also lived in Russia I had no idea what the providence of Moscow mule is. Our have no idea. The origin is crazy because I should know is actually quite irresponsible I didn't check it out. Now. I didn't here we are. We're professionals when we were reporting the drink, the research part I guess just. Left Left us, aside Will we should start with how How I met you. A day and a half ago through a beautiful thing that you posted on instagram. Don't like Fox social media but sometimes, it's like it just delivers you these these strange gifts sometimes that you would have gotten otherwise So what what, what was it? Why did you post it and then we'll talk about it. Sure. So I wrote this thirty thousand Word Novella. Cooled in beyond, it was all about love. About my first obeys my first four years in Berlin so it's Obviously about ninety percents. Factual ten percent fficials and magic realism minute which comes in at third the way and. and. I wrote this and we've been trying to get it published, but there's always been a challenge. Always prose is poetry. Nonfiction I just like it's writing about the city and. I wrote it was such a visceral four Mike woke up every morning at six am and then just wrote while it was still dark until the lot came up I. didn't. Working out, you don't work out until you're exhausted you work until everything's tingling. Right until tangling and then it stop. So that means that the book is written. It is real intensity and Rauner says all pretty much the first take all pretty much undrafted eights the colostrum it's. colostrum versus is probably fell metaphor, but it's that I squeeze of milk from a cow or any mammal. It's like the richest in the cream rinse the idea that the idea it was still form and I think about what is going to write the day before? That nightline wake than its wounds right straight away black coffee brought this up on the left hand. On. The right. Now, if I go, I wrote this and I'm basically just went on instagram. Let's put it out visit with the people. Think. Psychosis, the opening chapter, which he read, which is the first of six screens, six Greens on instagram. Yeah and read, and it's funny because the reaction from Berliners, those who've been there for a year and those have been there for thirty years was the same they were like this is our city. It's so weird. I mean, there's there's so many amazing lines in in in the novella that had sent me. Thank you this kind of advanced copy of. The full novella. But that that was a thought that just kept referring to me is like, oh. Yes I know that like I know the perfect time to eat cake to. Yes. Just like these these strange. I never thought about it that way but like. Yeah, of course, these are ways the the way that you kind of. I love your writing style behind it. Seems really continent with the production that the thing that you actually wrote is like you're almost. Out weaponising but making advantage of the things that suck most about Berlin the fact that it's fucking dark, it says and it's going to be dark. You know I mean it's a real dark and it's Short days and you're saying, okay well, that's GONNA I'm Gonna I'm going to carve a space out of a short winter day Olsen right and that's the thing I also think that book. It tries to walk with you through city. So right in the second person, it was kind of like. The. Role play games like Halo or grand theft auto when you're walking through and it's like you you're seeing front knows I know that it's my story but I want to begin by being your story. So I want you to imagine get off the. Plane on the train and you will count and this is the first city they see the first part see Maybe. That's why Ria. With people maybe that's why. I. Mean it as everything when we came in here, I think people really responded well to an instagram because it's really fucking good well. Sometimes you don't have to overthink it. Hopefully. The gatekeepers will will follow the the publishers the it's funny. I had two messages from publishers. Often that. Going what are you doing with this? She had a meeting with someone last night you basically said. Look if. I will, which is really lovely civil see and I said look like would see he likes it and I really. So great for your interest and he had this whole plan. He said the nicest thing he said I'm you send it to me? Off Recommend instagram. You sent me the full novella, which is one, hundred, twenty, nine pages and he him. He said I got my boss with the pages printed out and read it. And I read it all in the bath and the water was cold out and I just thought that to me was. That was everything for me. That's I I feel bad. I didn't earn the punches. I was in comfort when I read it identifies anybody to sort of get new mobile. Out but. You're right about the format I mean obviously, this is this is a problem with. Being a writer in trying to be a commercial being yes that. People want easily grasp concepts formats, something markets well. You start with poetry, you go into pros yeah. You talk about your career as a musician, it's there's not attract added to it, but it's it's it's multi. Multi Modal I guess but tell me about that poem at the beginning. which itself is a lovely thing an interesting kind of. Opener to the Novella it's. Kind of. Personifying the winds? Yes. Yes. So that was amazing. Artist Maastricht cooled Maria bitter. Maria in touch with me and she's wonderful shallots to Murrayfield Listening Allison T. Hey Maria Hey Angela. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Maria great under. The next Bishop with she didn't exhibition of found objects in Berlin. She contacted me say I read like your work I work collaborate And she said look I found objects in like flea markets experience or express what Berlin is. Was a poem to company these objects. The fault myself how about with my found object is the wind itself What happened to the wind that and this is the poems concentrated like what happened to the wind that basically? Since ships across the waters what if it was really happy to do that job? What if it was like yet? Great let's. Conway to sell this sell off these Africans. Let's do it and. It was worth. Wind has a character. So what wind is progressive? If it's conservative. So you've got wind that basically. It's been in the lungs of civil rights activists in the sixties a now that wind has come to. Berlin. And it warms. It cools the bodies of of Queer people off. They made love one afternoon it offers barbecues to children. On a hot day and it's almost like everything in our environment because I I believe in the psycho geography burden and I believe the city has so much. Depth of emotion sunk even within stones. If I could express that lyrically or poetically be a great start for the book. Also drawing a parallel and kind of being able to situate yourself as a British person with African roots in the German problem, which is Berlin is not an African city in the sense that like I'm sure they would have loved to be as some horrible version of Belgium back in the day but they weren't they weren't at the heart of the slave trade. All of their horrors you know we're located in different places I just thought it was interesting because as half Jewish and. I have lived in Berlin. I've never been able to look at that history really in the face because it's well yeah it's very fucked up and it's hard to metabolize the love for my friends who are hosting in this place in all the people I've known and lived with here and then all the. Horrible things that happen but the poem was interesting an interesting place to start because it kind of by using the wind you sort of be able to put yourself into when you talked about the antifascist, you know standoff on Windy. Day. Fund or something you know. It's like really interesting to kind of combine. In Tie those things together. I was there. I was there the active standoffish spender. So these all expenses I've had. So one of the poems while the nature poems talks about black gravity. The concept of there being parts of the city with geography is so heavy and trauma. So great that black people actually experience spontaneous physical injury. So that speaks again, part of the Jewish experience whether some parts of burden that is so overwhelming you caught physically metabolize it. So let's say that something very terrible happened a certain place, for example, where the Berlin conference happened in eighty-four. I right later on in the book basie about a black person going to the site of the budding conference with Africa was carved up. and. Having to wear a heavy jacket to protect him because the atmosphere pressure that have racism is so heavy, it would have broken his bones. Well, there's your rebuttal to that's right. They did have that the conference where where they decided to carve corpse but unlike Germany it's invisible. So we don't experience that visceral. We don't see you the stoppage Darna here. You have the stones where you can see the bra stones where. You can see what Jewish people removed from the houses. So you you see visually and I I'm not sure how I would expect that a black person if it was that. Blatant I think it would be very different city. I. Think if I saw that much while it's you know it's a weird thing because Berlin is a place where you are having a lovely autumnal walk and then you see a little plaque and this is where they threw Rosa Luxemburg's body in the river right and these these moments kind of have a way of popping up the you know I am one thousand percent for. The the German sense of. Member, this shit. which I feel like our friends in many parts of the world including the United States could take a lot of lot of cues from but but it's different now because i. We were talking while we're making Moscow mules about that Moscow leaning district called Martin which is. All kind of Soviet style. Brezhnev housing that has gone bad. You know is now a rough neighborhood that that even I as a sort of. Odd. Sort of accented white person would feel strange going to and for Black Berliners. has felt like an off off limits zone. I mean is that part of the psycho geography of the city for you feeling like there are safe places and unsafe places? Absolutely even today when you invite him to Panko I had to check the map and be like. Am I gonNa go that you know it was. Going to and I checked it was fine but. The parts of Berlin like vehicles a way not show. You'RE GONNA go depending on what part to who showing housing. There's actually a bar here. In name his name because we get in trouble, but there's a ball here which takes. Naming from Adolf. Hitler. And the only reason it still there is because it's door number is the same number. So the they they basically named the bar after like. Actually know what name is called is fun eighty eight. and. That's the street number. So every time we go alma gorgeous Nazi Bob. No no, it's just the door number but like. Dot Bar is a bother people know about yeah I see these fuckers on the Internet. You, see a thing and also are. Doing, passive the city I start looking for the symbols of neo, Nazi clothing because there including brands, styles, it's very subtle. if you don't look out for you know who is wearing Nazi. Clothing even though it's not something different now sports bryant it's fashion lifestyle. How do you mean you've been here for years? You're you're you're a professional at this now, but you do write about in in the Nevada you wrote it right about. Being accosted essentially by smug spitting racists of. Various. Sorts who I assume would just kind of blend in like you don't see them from a mile away these women who just start barking at you took your phone and you know I mean like, how do you? How do you not get paranoid? That's a great question I think for me. The turning point was going to the anti fascist much in Spandau in two thousand seventeen. Because I think it was just off the Charlottesville just off the The activists have been killed in Charlottesville recipes and. What my heroes do the top of this they wouldn't just sit in my opinion pieces go do interviews on the radio lock rbis during the dot she get out there and they much. So I thought my heroes March is so he called on the trainers who logos your garden met a friend of mine shout out to Sasha if he's listening what's enough Tasha's what's on Cheshire? And I got on the train luxury spend out with him. Another person to come with me and I remember acute, he just sitting on the train facing that direction. It is weird when he trained one of these marches is the only real time the Nazis CONC- because there's no police presence on the trains only when you get there. Some until you get there, actually it's an open season they could be anti-foreign. It's bit of a tense moment. It's a forty minute journey from. Sitting on the train. And I was opposite. And he was looking up every. So often see who got on the train. Case it was one of them. Looked once wasn't afraid and I was like my back is exposed to comes in this trade I'm not scared and that was the turning point after then unlike. You couldn't scare me at that point because it was a moment. It was a day when I reclaimed the city and said, yes, it's your city. Yes he live in that town and you hate me and you hate the fact that I'm black giving human. Okay. You know what you believe. It's also nice. City. And I was that with another friend of the time and he said there's a new Nazi par on the Cohen from we all see took out his pepper spray. He goes looked pepper spray in case anything happens. To him and it to myself and I thought you know it's a bit dark and. Protect ourselves and he was out in the and I'm putting myself with this pepper spray I. Thought I've got nothing like that. I said, why should be afraid of them before we see them? As a transaction. They're afraid of us. Like and it was what we wanted to I for what they, what they wanted to us like. It's not. I'm not saying me she got looking for trouble but let's not be afraid before we have the confrontation and that shift in attitude is why I'm still here because I don't. Approach situations for position fear anymore. It's astonishing I mean that that sense of well I mean I guess that's how you deal with any ground level reptile is imagine their own fear. I. And also because there's a real doesn't intelligence. The far often get perceived or described as lacking. A level of counting is not so much. That is kind of certain. To use a cliche like sharks with in the water. There's an acute sense they have fair. But can definitely smell fair and it sounds like victim blaming not victim blaming small like they induced the state of fear. Through extreme acts of violence every now and again at, it's perfectly natural be afraid of them if you can find a way. To minimize the fear that you manifest. Whenever possible. It helps you navigate difficult situations and there's lots needs to seek out. Trouble is just saying that I've tried to find ways to minimize the fear that I feel. mean, it almost feels of apart with going back to the way the chew. metabolize things that are worst about this city maybe the extreme dark in which you've found a good place to write you are going out and doing some very German shit like eating cake. And having a nice poppy seed marts upon or something. You know these little things that you have shown that you're kind of making your own space right? You're kind of spreading your shoulders in this city. One of the things I thought that was really interesting was. The way you talk about surprising visitors to the city who gets you had a cousin who visit. And took her all the way out to the West. Yes. To where the forests in the lakes are, and you said, you know they come looking for drum and Bass I. You know I give them, Birdsong? That to me is such a beautiful thing and it's also a way of saying it like you're not. You're not constricting yourself or confining yourself into these very diverse. Neighborhoods at the heart of the city, you're really going to jog jog this place absolutely, and then that's how you sort of take ownership on the beauty of Berlin, its enduring that it's bottomless. And it's the quality of our great cities. South. Paulo Shanghai these places that just. You can lose yourself from Sao Paolo South House, the ones that have been terrified over not because of any kind of crime of it's but just the sheer scale. Is the ones that have been through the actually felt out of control did not was doing whereas most he's doing. be assertive with Berlin I always celebrate the the diversity, the richness of the geography itself, the lakes, the hills, the forests within the city's boundaries. Some believe it is and but it feels to me always particular because you have the state of Brandenburg and you have the rural parts like Mecklenburg where I lived as a teenager, we have small small towns and increasingly those are. Those are. Unfriendly zones for foreigners in general. I just always have this idea that you know when you start to see the it's like when When things get a little odd. Horrid, movie in the beginning of the movies really still. Some cities you arrive in in this country arrived there unless that kind of preternatural stillness. Having said that there was a pay as a place I went to, for Friends Wedding Koto in Princeton where I went to install a quite high conservative. But that was a guy living there Uganda adopted by family. He was that you've been there for eight years now. And loved it, and so in the week, they've been tearing fd posters before arrival. Just feel uncomfortable and he's been living in having a great time. What you realize is fear of other. It's so projected just sits in these small towns is fair and it's not breathing anything tangible. It's just. Somehow they were afraid of we actually meet someone this guy that is loveliest guy and he said, I. Love. Dark skinned as me and I just. It's so funny because. These people voting for the most nihilistic parties on a daily basis? Absolutely free to this guy here they might sell be he's on he's different. He's like. He speaks German he. It's bizarre well, and that's a way also of understanding. Less of the monolith of against the the racist far right and. That it's it's complicated for them in a in a sort of oddly human way. Ever remember being. You know my name is tough one. German because Nathan. There's a famous book called Nathan the wise which everybody you know it's. Like an unread masterpiece, everybody gets assigned it in high school and they don't read it but they know it's about a Jill. So Nathan is the most Jewish name, which is not true in the states but in Germany, it's like not on it's like, wow. So I remember being in a neighborhood like Montagne up in Mecklenburg shooting. Just super drunken and out partying and these neo Nazis. Coming. Over here they accost us and they're like, what's your name and tell them my name, and then all of a sudden I'm like Oh fuck you know. This is getting strange. We started to kind of our friends and their friends is hard to draw and my friend is like. Yeah, this guy's yeah he's he's he's from America and all of a sudden. Yen's catas- remember him as the Neo Nazi in town. Hulking, bowling ball of a dude. Just immediately melted and he was like America my brother, Love's baseball. Can you tell me what a slider is? Oh my goodness or something it just turned into this whole other like conversation they were so excited. And the fell away and the American you slide is with Nazis. Emerge. And I you know and we we ended up continuing the party think together as a second Larry David Sketch your. Isn't it painful because it shows how close I mean it's an amazing story but also. It's tantalizing isn't in terms of look how close we are to better world like communication and like. If there was a way to tell people to show people who was so afraid and so angry. That the focus of their anger fear wasn't a valid focus but that's just that's the story of civilization. Isn't a but what an amazing thing for you in your part to sort of To to to walk without fear to not assume the worst of the worst people as evadne, sometimes, you can train just for the sake of it and just go into an area where you might not be welcome and you don't do it to seek out trouble. You did it because I want to go there I wanNA. Go there. And that has power in it's it's almost like I'm not trying to impose myself in a space. I'm just trying to navigate a space into be present. actually, this is a great story very good friend of mine. I worked name him because he probably wanted to put them. We really good friends we've come very confronts over the last few of them a couple years. He w one side one day and he said missile icon. Twenty years ago I used to be. Part of. the Nazi youth groups I'm used to chase people who different well, you know foreigners and. Chasing me the streets used to beat them up like me and a COUPLA days. What do you think and I said well, look. Look at the evening organized. There's like fifty here. You've pulled together group of like diverse people all different backgrounds, ages, evil can I stop? You've organized on the best weekends I've had In my time here you did that twenty years ago. Yeah. You were chasing to the street but look at the person you really. That speaks to who you are. And he gives me so much strength and courage because. I know that he is from his battles. Still I know that he goes back to those areas. where he grew up and he sticks up people at me when I'm on the road and that means a lot I means a lot. What happened to him? Just grew up were no. It's not even that he just a nice guy who got exposure. He said like this was said I'm not making excuses for he never made excuses for it. He said. All I would say is the the the youth culture back then was the dominant culture in terms of being Nazi when the Wall came down the West was this kind of force that was imposing itself all of a sudden job security went. So the West came over with kind of position of his economic superiority cultural superiority these his are ignorance the Nazi movement was aware of like. This is people who fought communists so they will like the. Lot the Nazi sort of that sense of. With anti-establishment beyond authoritarian the Nazis with cool kids very easy to flip that for Neo Nazis. The kind of say look the west of it's kind of like alien incursion we're going to beat them out. Any. Any manifestation of the West was beaten out. and. My was part of that. You Know He. He to some extent embrace that, and now he rejects it but he says I'm not making excuses just. Sense of we are sticking up for. Those who didn't who worked on the wall. came. down. I guess you can ride the waves of kind of history in one direction or the other they weaponized. The is there because ended up far clued up and they were like, no, this is not the way. Because the probably far the problem for them was there were so many fewer of them because it's so hard to be that nuanced when you're on this tired pure emotion nationalism identity on the left, we kind of going. When actually? The systems of authoritarianism and what you're doing replacement. BUNNA here it teenagers they're like wiling out right I didn't I did appreciate that as much as an and certainly my family back in the states could never understand me coming here and being in a place where some people like broke into my house and painted a swastika door and. Neo Nazi shit going down the you're not in Berlin. In the book and You know what I was told them was. Every Saturday night. Antifascist go with like. Bats to the main square of the small city we live in and they fight. Nazis. Yes there are definitely Nazis, but they're anti anti-nazis and just the politics here like my it was the most real and vivid felt really really strong version of progressives. The Germans, the reason jobs, a I always think whenever I see incredible anti-fascists here. Incredible Isas, the activists I think. What was in your own family? It was so bad. Why you so good at this not kind critical way but simply saying. You look at those families that grow up the wall, and that was that knowledge you look around as a charter thinking, wait a minute all these plaques, all these Jews dragged out late at the not building mom dad like. What were you doing? Imagine that conversation we like The Jewish farmer that lived up there wasn't you help them like what did you do to stop them and you suddenly realize actually the whole town for the People That didn't when the tide was turning they turned the other way and there were very enthusiastic Nazis in some who just fell in but ultimately diamonds society. That conversation is still ongoing, which is why I think that the anti-fascist movement here is so. Visceral and so powerful and so because. Our friends who still have. Families Yeah because their families are like still Nazis not near Nazis Nazis who? Neo. There's no kind of derivative B.'s actual Nazis like. Hetero Oggi's hit the Anna. Jones was right. Didn't finish the job like all that lot. About crowd they do. Tell me how you got an in you. You engage this question a few times in the novella. Why did you come to Berlin? A variety of things I'm? One key prompt was compensation. Architects in Brazil that during the World Cup football as well coming up with companies and organizations. shout lead attorney Karen Mac stressor my attitude priorities. Yeah. Tony carrying the my older comrade-in-arm. Say That's a great man. So I was thinking what out there at the World Cup and A friend of mine who haven't done it together and he said look while you still in the UK, you'll save internationally outlook. One Belen. But not not not sure about. Did German twenty years ago if my level like this is the language they have, why did you do German because this is the word that was the foresight of I thought Germans. Really Hard European language, all the languages Italian. French. My French is pretty good I thought I can pickup Italian and Spanish through French Germans the outlier those main ones if I do that now, my brain is still pretty supple. Arkin repair compete up again later start was kind of the full side like get German now the nubile young brain of Mussa's aching on. The language of Gertrude and it, but you went into law robot. Absolutely. The plan was maybe at one point to do law with maybe you lawyer in lower. So in a different life. You competition lawyer in The Hague, which is great living and great job. But I'm unhappy during this. You don't get to drink Moscow mules as part of your. To four PM learn. Now that is that is true but I mean, you do have this kind of I mean obviously, you just kind of. You succeed wherever you go but someone who studied law at Oxford and decided to than Create, music and art and poetry and writing. Why does Berlin fit into that I mean is it is a place. How does it fit in with your creative work? The fact that this is the journey that you're taking it may be in many ways the perfect atmosphere for me to create work specifically because. Full the challenges with the far right one thing I think. That burns the of extremes. So full the negatives, the positives are astonishing. The Best People here the very best people I've ever met anywhere. Within two years of being here I was Marrying I was basically doing conduct the wedding for Sasha and butcher two best friends they were like we want you to do it, and these are popular people people were like we went through the ceremony so when you come to Berlin. When people embrace you they take you to the very hearts. So we have the kind of community which is essential for any artist, but also has this astonishing stillness. Has a change of pace unlike anywhere it's a friend of mine came and he said like this where everyone you hear about but and beings rave city whereas one and I was like be careful you wishful because if you want to change pace Goto nightclub at twelve thirty. Then you'll see the next half hour. You'll see at twelve, thirty, two am you'll be begging for to slow down again. I love that because Berlin starts early in goes on. So late that you never miss top, you'd never miss a great experience so far writers perfect. You can walk along streets in contemplate. And then you can just disappear into it. that. Would you feel differently if you came a steady German, did not yes. Germany to take it on. Yes. Yes. Because I made a deliberate choice when I got here not to go to experts societies. But to come here and engage with his own terms so I didn't see count fellow speakers are went to nightclubs by myself. I at one rule when socializing it's like when you come here, don't be desperate to meet New People. Up Tonight per tonight hip hop. Have a good time. Have a dance note whatever and then head off, and then what happens is, of course off like two or three times you go to somebody. WHO's that guy like bought? You ever come to this and because you don't impose yourself in that way you're just doing your thing people respond to the gravitate towards you and I did that and. That was the key to making such good friends here. I didn't full myself into. into the space. I think that a lot of the conversations I'm going to have here if they're anything like the. Ten thousand conversations have had in Berlin in past years, we'll have some element of. Nostalgia slight regret at the pace of change. The, Best Berlin is always hovering somewhere between five and twenty five years in the past. Do you. Do you feel that sense you? You sound remarkably kind of sanguine about not just Berlin but Berlin right now. because. I think as as a man, frankly I mean for me to mount to size but in A. One, thousand nine hundred would be difficult. But I think there are hundreds burden primary gentrification of which I'm a part of course just moving here or I'm not structure she responsible for I benefit from it I don't believe the Best Berlin has gone I. think that. You have to believe the best is ahead I think that's important. because. What's that great? Phrase your words determine your reality. And the way you talk about the city for constantly nostalgic and reaching back and say that was better than what actually will. That stuff was better but fundamentally, what bet was the prices I mean capitalism spacey swallowed up parts of the city but that's not the people. The people lose any soul. The people didn't lose dot the city failed the capitalist system felt in. The spirit of Berlin is still there. If you say to me are my goodness burden hasn't got the real people. I'll give you a list of twenty five people just that up twenty four people in a room from Berlin against any city in the world you'll be like while like. That's an incredible place to assemble that variety of incredibly from that city Muslim special argued that anyway but that's A. Problem. For me. And it is true that very often no matter where you are. You're sort of telling on yourself when you're like this places fun anymore. What you we'll say that to me like. What you bring to the table is that when university people go I went to such and such university. Yeah. But what did you do that? Like what you get up to your student societies where you like Houston Activism that you WANNA magazine? Did you like throw some parties? What did you do that? Don't just turn up and be like don't. Remember when I was at university is only goodness I heard the vibrant this covers really amazing. You standing with a cocktail glass and miliver Daniel the vibe you're talking about you're standing in it like soon as. People come here and they like. They want to be entertained. But to me it's like you gotta give Burns like a cookout bring a dish. Amazing right and if you want the Berlin of the salons or the squad culture or kind of PUNK BANDS IN A. burnt-out shell of a building like well, go and create some of that. Get yourself out. There are my friend. Shot Jimmy Jimmy, one of the best portraits I've ever been to I did the best Gig my life at this place at Cooler poultry meat soul series ponies, hip hop. This amazing places the annoy count in hemorrhaged Hossa you go down there. Every two months on a Saturday night if you don't get there. At Eight PM which is the stock you wouldn't get in. Two hundred fifty people go in the NY arbiter. Two hundred ten back. Wow. So now get there an hour together seven with gloss of whatever probably must give him you. Because I love the energy because you go, it's the night start at. Seven thirty into one I am. I knew see your entire infrastructure ecosystem of Berlin in their. Entire social ecosystem is that just think well Jimmy created that. She was a black woman who grew up in Arkan- I think Najjar inherited. Tracy was like I'm going to go and create culture or place for the best in all the time shoutout Jimmy out Jimmy. All right. Let's get a refresher on this Moscow mule and then I gotTa Talk Food and football with the copyrights. So close. I am the kind of asshole. Looking at Vodkas duty-free saw the Japanese one and I was like, okay Japanese vodka. Different Yeah, I love I, love getting stuff. That's different. I always try that. Go to borrow bear on top in the hat I always get that one. Tell me about. Food and drink here then because it's it's it's funny. It's on. An unexpected and frequent guest in your novella is a is the food moment. Yeah that's something. So tell me tell me why why that speaks you when you have to talk about your life in the city where? The city itself why food gets in their? Food is a ritual for me, right so I talk about cake. Chapter not how cake in Berlin? And it talks about all the Times I've gone to get food. For particular mood on moment so. Cake on a couple of days we're really amazing could've gone somewhere further. But others are the reasons they didn't further with the cake or with the date. Well, the Keiko goes down. The dates lovely and I sometimes go to those places because it reminds me of. Beautiful Times I had with that person, and then even when you got broken up with not to you know, of course you then there's radioactive, you know kind of shield around that restaurant right? Right. There's a restaurant went to. Break up and up as my favorite restaurant can go back in eighteen months and I badly been back in a sense. So I think it's still a bit radioactive but generally the geography of eating out in Berlin it's been friendly to you. There's good moments. There's things that you wanna tap back into and wonderful moments. Yeah. There's there's. There's an amazing Jaren restaurant could Ebbe Ano-. Down in Charlottenburg, which is just place that feels like kind of home. Not that I'm Nigerian my heritage Ugandan heritage. But just to be around the fellow Africans instead of undiluted unapologetic form going tweet with a friend of mine. Steffi. A great book so called an Intercontinental Tom by coach. Shot Steffi. And I was GONNA pick a table and she says she just loves his means. If you try book a table, they have a laugh at you idea June restaurant you turn up you eat. That'd be had to break down. Yeah. Africa. So. Yeah. I mean for me food is a kind of ritual as a way to reward myself because as a right try works in isolation. going. Out from. Meal. The sense of occasion is so important. So powerful it also. Diversity. You get from the city, a Sudanese Food Lebanese Syrian. Of course. Great German and Austrian Food Schnitzel here so it's really away to engage with the city also battalion spots a great too. But the the. Talk About Nostalgia I've had some of the worst Chinese food. In my life in Berlin and that's That was a long time ago. Feels like that that this is one thing that Berlin is actually doing it. You know we don't want to like throw London on it but it's it's moving it is moving yeah and you can have these amazing food and people will recognize it as a challenge in Berlin in. Copper Challenges. The first is the city's not as diverse as London. and. So the the. The cuisine tends to be titles dominant pilot. On the German PAT doesn't really go for spices in the biggest way. So, actually, you'll get better food in Hamburg. I think on the whole because hamburgers closer to the water is called the port. So you have diversity want great Portuguese food in Germany Hamburg's replace Greek food to Vietnamese Vietnamese food is pretty good here because they got the east and they've got that but. If you really want great food in Germany. U. it's easy to Hamburg but if you dig it and but nothing but the thing about the food and Belen is like much the rest of the city you have to work a little bit harder. than. You wouldn't a lot of other places, but the efforts is so worth it when you crack. And again, you you're you're building those muscles is the the way that you have to earn the summer by getting through the winter? Yes. Absolutely and I loved I loved the sense of the sense of. Joy when you've discovered something. Different in mine gone to Shanti Fantastic writer London Sean Jake on touch and. She was like, Sean Sean Sean. Tell you absolutely and she was like always a good fish place I was like. Checkout fillet up by abras virus Tulsa. That's the one ten tram couple of, stops down. Who? WHO's much toss on it's the stop and she was like, Oh my goodness send me patriots. This is just absolutely delicious. This is a Londoner. Big Standards Absolutely. how I'd. A chapter about brief chapter really moving for me about Schnitzel. Yes. What an odd sauce Lewis thing they do here? Yes. I mean. What's what's the highlight and low light of the German menu for you. Schnitzel could be the harlot on the low light. That with respect and love simply because the Schnitzel is Is An entity unto itself into size of a kind of It's the signs of a Turkey dish is is it's huge at some. Society, it could be the size of a laptop cover. It's huge And they set up without source nephew like thank you in the mood Schnitzel around know what happened with the mushroom sauce in which case it's the best thing. But if you have no soul to the toll, which is what the Austin's in Germany then it's a disaster. Drinking sand is just so there's no relief from it. It's an attritional dish and it's almost a trial of strength to completer and you fill out when he finished it you've passed some kind of test that may actually be the German citizenship. Forget You know these racists who were asking you if you speak German Schnitzel. Yes. Yes. Eat. Out probably probably, you had just come to hear from. Recording, your own podcast studio, which is a football podcast soccer as we call it back home. You and I both worked with Tony Karen. The great great man who? Combines a deep love of the beautiful game with politics or someone left of Stalin, and it's just an incredible combination is one of one of my favorite comrades on Earth. What how did you come to football? Writing. Football. Presenting and what is what is that done for you here in Germany? Well, it's been amazing festival from Germany it's been incredible experience and. I came to a speak my family's always been involved with my grandfather carts got national side a few years. Back before the war goodness. Okay. Yeah. Way Back when whereby sixties he coached them was an amazing coach and a couple of my cousins and playing old America Thirteen selected soccer in unique and actually one of the. Is. Funny. How sport runs in the family one of their. Daughters the career now plays Gopher Alabama University of Alabama. I've been second in like the PJ amateur, PGA tournament. Well, some of them are you helping poet athletes? Exactly. Right, you you've got a team. The Unicorn. I stopped playing them. Two years ago. No, no, no no, it's great. We want to knock out tournament or mainstream. You the trophy won a tournament this summer. Invitation Tournament seven, which I was playing. You got the band back together. We did indeed go back into action like the avengers. Yeah. Exactly. Sam Jackson. So, football's always been in my family, my blood. And so it was. Two Thousand and seven, I was asked. Look or was approach by the and he said the. Stuff. Want to work on something that I loved about football and that was the first because I wrote culture nominated sports book of the year and it was read is looking at. What makes for Great? Footballer but whereas Greatest Football. So not just about what makes a footballer but what is it? We Love the strange game. Why are we so obsessed with it? And really just over the years my of career is taking directions but being in Germany are funded football is such. A kind of foss track the soul of the nation. It's a shortcut to so many great compensations because I have this background in it. It bridges a kind of cultural gap my otherwise be there. So yeah, it's been wonderful. How is Hata dealing good goods. They've just got Jurgen Klinsmann and and Oh my year. There was a bit of a concern the column back from America and do the best job actually have to say in the US. Guess. You think Patrick had playing some really enterprising stuff and maybe. Maybe, there's something to be said for if you're in the right context. You know you're better coach because I think what Clinton has done is he's breathed life into a kind of slightly more uniform hat is a club which has underachieved given its fan base very passionate fanbase. Lajolo crowd. Thousand people every game. That's a lot of fans. So I feel almost you shot in the arm and I think Clinton's given them that the really exciting. You went to Brazil Yep. How do we get to? Qatar. Extraordinary are you gonNA go. WanNa I'm his. All be watching the Games. I'm sure because the World Cup. Would watch the World Cup. I mean people copy and nineteen, seventy eight when Argentina would basically turn people out with headquarters during the tournament. People watched what people who I think. Are What or observe it or Comment on it breaking going there. It provides. A level of normalization validation tournament could never. It doesn't deserve. Yeah Uneven I'm not sure how I'm going to. Cover the tournament yet. I'm not sure warming to do in order to critique it because. Obviously talking about you normalize it by watching the Games getting sorry that you normalize it. There's question. So how do I? Navigate that space but the cats auto companies. It's incredible I? Mean I was in Berlin. Berlin, I was in Brazil also during the World Cup and you had the feeling despite Brazil's personal problems as a side in the tournament you just had to feeling that like there is probably no no better. It just how could it be better? This way somebody said to me. When I got back how was the world? Cup? And I said. Imagine a k. just imagine if someone said to you, you want to spend a month in Brazil for World Cup. Imagine that and I said, yes, you need went quiet. It was better than that. I can't name a single in terms of thirty continuous days are spent anywhere in the world better. I'll be very hard pressed to name a better thirty, thirty days in a row then thousand fourteen World Cup it was. Astonishing to the point where when I I went for walk the night before to fly out. Of Lot to off the World Cup. So the plate be. Busy. and. I was sad I couldn't say that I had to go out and walk and I went I walked down to Panama. Ally went to. A local restaurant and on the barbecue places and I was just see myself being inside but had been long people hemingway clean your place that show story. And these two lovely women were like Oh, we're traveling. They're having trouble cutting a piece of meat. So help them cut it. And they will sit with all. Yes. Sure. Sure. Sat with them for even just chatted and I just thought I, needed that closure because this is so beautiful. This was like kind of breaking up leaving Brazil off the World Cup was like Leaving your partner. When let's say you broke me on holiday and may live in New Zealand. and. You've got like a family businesses Scotland you're never going to it's never gonNA work. So you have to call it. You know you have to park and it felt like that like putting. A holiday Raymond's. Beautiful The I guess. I. Also having a difficult time imagining that kind of wistful airport seen in Doha. Leaving Qatar. No, it's not gonNA happen but Well I'm sorry that I wasn't there to be at that table that last night in Brazil with you. It just feels like wherever in the world I would enjoy having a drink and sharing a meal with you. Did. It's here in Berlin on the heels of the Instagram pre-publishing of this amazing novella which I am so glad it's going to find a home now fingers crossed. Yeah we're still in. Our Hope. It works out pretty happy. Does I have a list just just to give the listener a sense that you know I wasn't in a cold. A cold bath or anything I just as a very comfortable human reading through it. But just like picking words the way that I do with them, you know there are some writers Kevin Berry. Is One I've been reading recently where I just I have to get some of the sentences that he wrote just down on my own fuck and she saw and I felt that way within this novella just like plucking phrases and sentences because it's. It's so beautiful. It's so personal and I you know I I only hope that our conversation does a justice. But whenever the fuck it's published, I would urge everybody to just go and buy it because it's it's really beautiful thing I didn't expect to find it. And here it is. Here you are. Thank you. Your. Thank you so much. For the trip from roads and Kingdoms hosted by me Nathan Thornburgh theme music by Dan. The auto show artwork by Adele Rodriguez Executive Producers Army and MAC welding. Roads and kingdoms. Special thanks to Andrea and Ron Ben Schneider. My beloved host in the leafy and progressive parts of PONCO. Into Martin Angelman my Greek chorus. 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Death Certificates

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Death Certificates

"Saw bones is a show about medical history and nothing the hosts say should be taken as medical advice or opinion it's fun. Can't you just have fun for an hour and not try to diagnose your mystery boil? We think you've earned it. Just sit back, relax and enjoy a moment of distraction from that weird growth. Your worth it. is about the books? Your. In Your Safe Zone. South. Hello everybody and welcome to solve bones and misguided medicine. I'm your co host Justin mcelroy and I'm Sydney. Maccarone. Well I'm excited for another fun episode. You know it's it's hard Sydney when when everything's kind of dire. On the planet Earth. To recording solvents because it's a little bit of levity. Well, my day kind of a fun time that you and me just kind of spend together and tax and goof about stuff and I can't tell you about what our topic is this win. Yeah. Okay. Well, see Justin, I try to do things that speak to medical history but are also relevant to issues of today like find that blending point especially with with everything that's happening with you know pandemic. And So this this specific topic is a little. You Know Not as light maybe. Okay. What is the topic go ahead? I'm pretty much ready for whatever I'm sure it's going to be pretty Saliba what's dumping. Death certificates. Okay I. Well, okay. Here's why I know this seems i. know this seems like a bummer. But there's been a lot of talk in the media about. Death certificates what's on them there was the recent supposedly report that was put out by the CDC although it was really just them re they've been releasing statistics constantly. So I I don't think any nothing new was really done. It was just somebody looked at the data differently is the way I would say. But basically they there was a report that was circulated widely and was trending on twitter for awhile that only six percent that was what was trending by the way only six percent of the deaths that have been attributed to covid in this country. are only from covid. And the the way that it was worded it sort of insinuated that all these other people that. We've been told had succumb to this disease actually died of something else and we've been lied to right that was not explicitly said but I feel like that was the message, a lot of people received and that was being amplified. And this data is coming from what was put on death certificates, and so I think it is important for us to understand what's put on a decorative kit. Where did this idea come from? Why do we have them? WHO FILLS THEM OUT? What are they four I? Think it's useful to talk about the history of that to understand why. These claims that only six percent of. You know these deaths are attributable to covid are completely false. Does that. Is that okay for us to talk assign a miliver is fine levity somewhere else I mean we still got a lot of taskmaster to watch. So that will I'm sure pick on my spirit so I'm going to start with west wing references that bridge away I was I was talking I was thinking about like X. Essentially, why do we have a death certificate I like 'cause these are the idea that is fairly old I mean not I guess saw old because we talk about ancient stuff but like you know is fairly old, it's not a new creation and certainly there are like very practical applications for a document. Now that certifies someone is no longer living I The main. Main. Use The desert of gets as I understand them is to find them in an old filing cabinet in a very darkened room and like pull it out and look at it with a flashlight and like. This right here, the cause of death was is. Listed move. The modern be saying. Well actually the practical application now is to get like. Things canceled like accounts canceled. Netflix goes into your house and literally I think you do need it for times. facebook goes into your your old cabinets and secondary like. Hey, look I founded this they're really dead so we can put the little flower on their account or is we do so I think that like today in a world where everything is documented I think that they have a lot of practical applications. But why I kept thinking why when these I were a thing because we're going to go back to the fifteen hundreds for this story. Why did it matter like what? What was the reason that we recorded this and what were we doing with this document? I kept thinking of that West. Wing. is if it matters how a man falls down, which is actually a misquote. I I've learned this from the line and winner. So. distill not bringing joy. Well I. Mean you didn't really set that up just like reference misquote on West Wing. Don with it I feel like half of that I. Love You. I, thought half of that anecdote was in your head another half was in your mouth and we only got them out fart. Why don't you back up just a little bit okay. The West Wing. Episode of West Wing. When Toby. Says the president he's he says I was watching the line and winter just the part of the scene where he's they're telling 'em like be. Face it like a man like a man kind of thing, and he's like as if it fool is if it matters how a man falls down. And then he responds when the fall is all that's left it matters very much. In those for the line of winter and this is a reference to. When ever as much find out? He has a mass rain. Yes. Okay see good they're contextualized. It wasn't always obviously an ancient history. We didn't record the way somebody died. There were lots of rituals surrounding burial, right? We know that we know that there throughout different cultures there are lots of like things that you do ceremonies surrounding for most of his. We didn't really understand why people died. There was only two causes of death rock and curse either your hit by Iraq Iraq fell on you or curse killed you those are the two causes death early on rock and Kurtz. Well, you're not. You're not wrong. This is part of why there weren't. Recorded, probably recorded documents for why. Is because the we didn't know and for a lot of cultures, the reason someone died is the god or gods or whatever beans immortal beans, your society worshiped willed it. So medical examiner back then was an easy job because my my dad died bummer rock. nope curse hate to hear it anyway by be two hundred pebbles. Two hundred grams of salt. Also, if you look, you look to some cultures if if you consider life depending on what your beliefs are if you consider. Your living state to just be like a preamble. To the big the big show, which is the afterlife. Why does it matter? I don't know the important thing is you get there? Yeah with this one. Yeah. Yeah. Let's yeah. Okay. This is dire. Let's keep moving. So why would we write it down? That's the point. Why would we write it down? Tell me What would you write it on? WHO WOULD KEEP it? Go. Like what would we do with? It will be etched in stone and then put it somewhere. Who would you show it to who would care but there just wasn't a good. Reason for it for a long time so it didn't exist. So. The idea of recording how people died in some sense was brought to us by the plague a lot of things. Mostly. Bad We. Play for all the great. Brought us. They're all masks I was GONNA say there there is that great plague. Doctor Costume. Man, I'm married I just finished a seven and a half thefts of Evelyn hardcastle which mystery novel about mystery makes groundhog's data matter. But one of the the antagonists in that book is a plague doctor, a plague masks and every time I think it's like it's just so creepy isn't it is cree people look it's not pleasing I don't know why they thought that would bring suker to people who wasn't as. If you remember it wasn't really about I know but they could have put them. On it or something a star sticker right? Like something well, I don't think I don't think there was any intention to cheer anybody up because the reality was the plague was really bad and if you got it, there is a good chance he would die and so I think the doctors were just you know to be honest I don't WanNa get it. So yeah, I'm wearing the scary costume. Okay. I, I'm carrying a stick to poke you with because I'm not going to touch you like I don't. I don't think there's any dressing it up. But the original recordings of deaths were not. We're not like death certificates like think of them today. Everybody didn't get one. It was just like a list. Here. Is a list of causes of death and it would be divided in like here's how many men died how many women died how many children And then here's a list of things that they died of. So in these very early documents, they were really just for plague how many people died of plague. Seems. Like an important thing. Now that was and that was the the reason that the first one which an initially by the way they were called bills of mortality. It is a a list fifteen twelve in London is where we see the first one and this one just certainly or just simply says in this specific time period over the last couple of weeks thirty, four people died of plague and thirty two people died of other stuff. Let literally it just says like. Odor diseases or whatever in old English but like rocks. Doesn't even list that stuff. It just says thirty four, plague thirty, two other diseases and that them. So it's kind of more of a census than individual thing and it usually just conform I usually just inform people about play that was the original idea because it was they were tied to locations so I guess you could kind of think like well, that bill of mortality from that part of the city or from that region of the country or whatever is higher. Like in play so I won't go there. I don't understand how you get disease, but plague seems to be there. So I won't go there. Yeah. So that that was the very early idea. Why would you write this down while here's an here's a reason we don't understand this is infectious, but we do understand that like we don't like to be around it perfect Then in the early sixteen hundreds, we start to see that kind of made a weekly thing. You know what? This is a good idea we need to keep track of this the plague at that point it would you'd have good and bad years. The plague was always there and then there. would be years where hit people really hard and like courses of years where it dead and then other times where it wasn't such a big deal but they started doing them weekly and then in sixteen twenty nine, which happened to be not a particularly bad year for the plague king. James. I said you know let's just keep doing it anyway. Why don't we start? You know weekly coming out with a bill of mortality that lists every way people died in this area not just the plague actually how US weekly got started. Weekly and. How long have you been thinking about that? that. You just now's that long. Okay So the names were still not part of these documents. Right? We still don't have like when I'm talking lists again, we are just saying like initially it was like the heading was play and then it was like men and twenty women. Eighteen whatever you know children. Five thousand we've got draw. Now, these documents would have lists of diseases with a number next to each disease. Here's how many people died of each of these diseases, most more of a scorecard. Yes. but still no names of anybody like we're still not breaking it down into like who are these actual humans that have died it's just a list so and we only knew of so many ways that people could die. At this point we've moved beyond rock and curse, but we still don't have like A. Complete list of all the things that could fell a human. So we kind of made some up. Some of these are real diseases just with some wild names and some of them aren't things you die. For instance, a common cause of death on these documents would be teeth. That was how it was listed and these are probably deaths related to teething, and if you remember from our episode on teething, you don't die from teething. But teething, blamed for a lot of. Probably. Vaccine. Preventable. Diseases. That we you know don't die of today commonly because of thank you vaccines instead we didn't know about all that. So we blamed it on teething. So teeth would be a common cause King's evil. Wow, which is kind of tuberculosis. Okay. Planet struck I like that one but fat. That was probably just some sort of like sudden attack or something you were stricken all at once in some way than and it happened all at once. So I could stroke could have been a heart attack could have been Who knows but some sort of all at once rising of the lights had something to do with the lungs? was some sort of respiratory connotation There was mould fallen which had to do with the head. anything it had to do with like especially like trauma to the head or like in a child that was born where like the skull was malformed. Mold fallen, and then there's some really obvious ones like scalded in a brewers mash it Saint Giles. So there you go. Yeah, you get a very clear picture If you have no idea, you could just say suddenly. There were always a number of deaths attributed to quote unquote suddenly. We all know and there were other good ones. Iraq anywhere around there folks tough to save. A mystery for history, there was wind blasted it liver grown excessive drinking I. think we could figure that one out. Wolf there was one bill that attributed eight deaths to wolf either. So, bad. So bad wolf. So. They just listed all these things and they would try to kind of categorize them if they could obviously like in the case of the brewers. Mash, incident. That's probably not a gory. Off. Right there. A lot of work. It's interesting because you can look these bills of mortality and see very specific incidents that occurred listed like Oh that was Steve. Because you know who? Were scalded in the burs Mash but then there would be just numbers of things like blasted, which I don't know could be anybody The way that they came up with these lists is really interesting. So the parish clerks were put in charge of the whole process of of compiling and printing and releasing these documents the city would like contract them to do it, and the what they would do then is outsource the actual like dirty work. Go find out how people died two people called seekers. And this has nothing to do with a golden snitch. Thank you. Thanks not. No not those kind of seekers these are usually. Lowell ladies. And they would usually like pair them up and they would pay them to go out when what would happen is if somebody died within a parish, they would ring the chapel bell. And the sexton would hear the bell rang and then go tell the seekers like hey. There's been a death, go figure it out, and so then they would go investigate to try to ask questions what time period is this? we're talking about like the sixteen hundreds. Okay. They were also called sometimes searchers or specifically plague searchers. Please continue I've got Google to see if this is a series of mystery novels it absolutely has to be are you telling me period history where we were tasking old women with investigating murders and it's not just like the basis of all these so I mean it didn't have to be old ladies but what you wanted is like these people didn't necess-. Didn't necessarily have any medical training or any kind of any training but you wanted people who could go and like ask questions and poke around and find out some information and not be i. mean because you you you were trying to be sensitive like you didn't want them to you wanted to get the information for. Whatever purposes for government purposes but at the same time you it was dictated by the local parish. So they were trying to be aware that someone has lost someone. You know. So like you needed people who could get the information find things out but also be sensitive. Did you find any mystery novels? Apparently this is like untapped. So that once they came up with something, they'd go back they'd report it to the parish clerks they would make up the documents they'd print them weekly they always had to be released by the way to the authorities. I like the Lord Mayor had to review it before the public could get it or the press could get it. It was a big thing it was like. The. Press could open it. There were like three locks on the chest held by different authorities who all had to unlock it before the press got their copy of the bill of mortality. Control of this especially during a plague was very vital. You didn't want this to just get out and alarm people So they kept it under lock and key until the authorities said, okay, fine. You can release the bill of mortality. Eventually they made like a blank sheet with just all the diseases listed on them that you could just easily fill in numbers just for expediency. and what this did though is it caused you to need to shuffle all these different causes of death into this list, right? Like you begin to narrow your idea of how a person could die because they because of the document that was pre-printed that you had to put the numbers on. So occasionally, they would have to like add a category for like. Drowning in the mode or whatever. But for the most part, they had to try to fit them into these different categories In sixteen sixty two is when we first see a use for the state you have these bills of mortality you're printing them and giving them to the public weekly. What do you do with all that you got all this data you have all the Info it's a shame. Your Dad wasn't life back. Then he would love that he would have loved that weekly paper that just as causes of death for people, he would prop up his feet. It's an coffee and really make a meal of it. That would be every Sunday dinner for us that would be him this sixty two from Ron Week. Rocks. Problem. So a Haberdasher name. John Grant. For whatever reason I guess maybe he was like my dad, he liked these mortality bills he was really into them, and so he decided I'm going to collect all these mortality bills I can he got ones from sixteen, twenty, nine or sixteen sixty, and he started taking all these numbers and compiling them into tables of information heat I. Guess he just like statistics. So this makes sense right like this isn't so frustrated when he realized he couldn't upload that data to read it. I'm history's first Internet Weirdo I can't. I can't vote this drug it has been invented. 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Go to me dot com slash Szabo's that's me undies dot com slash saw bones. Okay so Sydney. So we have these bills of mortality. We still don't have names if we're GONNA get to edessa ticket. We have to care about who these individuals are that died of. It or wind or Wolfer whatever right. You need a little more info because so far all we have occasionally gender a vague idea of age with men woman children whatever that means, but you still don't have. Any other data about it. What really changes The bills of mortality to death certificates. Is the revolutionary period of human history where we start to see this focus on individual rights. It's the idea that the individual matters as opposed to just this kind of collection of humanity that we can put on a piece of paper all of a sudden that seemed very cold to people that seem very dehumanizing and. Along with US demanding our rights to assemble or free speech or a press or Casting off authoritarian leaders alongside all that is that happened across the globe. You see bills of mortality moving to lists of actual people who died moving to individual sheets of paper for each person who died it's really fascinating how it's connected to this idea that documenting it gives it value. Yes. An individual life now matters you have a certificate when you're born and you can get a certificate when you die because you matter. Not. The collective you? and so this this came about. Certificates was A. IT'S A it's a moving idea that you matter. I agree. Now what was put on him didn't change a lot at first right 'cause we only knew about so many ways people could die and we really didn't know what they were to rock Nice Rock Big Rock Curse Suddenly. And Ash. Beer Mash. Some point in here, it has to be said because there's a saw bones. The doctor probably did it by accident while trying to cure me? Needed to be added to the list, right? Right. Right. Right. Bled to death by Dr. Unfortunate historical timing. Loops. Now in the Eighteen Thirties, William far who was an early kind of epidemiologist before we talk Were I think we've talked about him in epidemiologic terms He created a registry for deaths and came up with a whole a whole lot more causes of death to include on these documents, and as we look at this period of history where the taxonomy of different like medical illnesses had were was expanding like our idea of putting things into categories and then branching those off into trees of diseases and. All that was happening then we naturally expanded our causes of death from that as well. Right. So we go from a few dozen to over one hundred and Jacques Brazilian who is a French statistician would eventually restructure the whole thing into categories that would make sense to us today. So like here causes of death from respiratory illness here causes of death from infectious disease here causes of death. Well Commute. Anyway using the terms of the day the it really Brazilian what he structured really Mir's our understanding of. What can go wrong and why we die today. What we do now though really out of this time period grew. The system we use to categorize illness and death today. The, International. Statistical classification of diseases and related health problems or the C D. which currently I see ten is how we list what happened to a human whether it be. You're coming to see me in the office and you're there for a well checkup. There's a nice CD code for that. If you're there because you have an ingrown toenail, there's an icy code for that fewer four. non-specified, upper, respiratory, viral illness whatever. If you have died there's an icy decode. Office at that point. The the history of that actually dates back to the International Statistical Institute, which was founded in eighteen fifty three. So this is a really old organization that was collecting data and having Congress's regularly to like talk. What is happening to humans worldwide to compile these numbers and like make an international global effort and in the late eighteen hundreds, they added to their efforts a list of causes of death at the happy hours to did Congress dislike mad, right just a bunch of death obsessed people like. They were. They were actual energies just like palpable in their writing when. They were compiling of like statistics, not just death, but death was among a lot of good stuff into was some good things probably dislike numbers of Rafi and how individual humans and you know. All the statistics, all the things that people like to compile. But among them also illness and death and is also probably orgiastic. Bakanov basically, we're saying and I said this was really old too far contributed to this. Initially, billion would contribute to this and by the turn of the century, we have a list of diseases for humans and. We can refer to that for study purposes or just to understand where we should focus our efforts to you know extend save life, but Cetera Now in this country, the use for this list took a turn after World War Two because initially like if you have a list, this is our way of understanding one like I said research study where do we need to put our efforts? Are Dollars our time to try to like help humanity right into the most common causes of diseases would make sense. That's what people were thinking it i. Also like things that are easily preventable if you're thinking of making a vaccine a list like this is very helpful. Could you start looking at statistics like where can I make the biggest impact? Where should I focus my energy I to save the most lives After World War Two, it occurred to people that this list. Would make it really easy for insurance companies. To keep track of. Illnesses that they're clients had and billing. And who was a higher risk person to ensure and who wasn't and so on and so forth So this data in this country got really tightly tied to. What we now would call billing and coding. So the the my interactions with the CD ten have been. All electronic essentially. And clicking buttons in order to code the appropriate thing that goes with. Of visit goes with a doctor's visit and that information yes can be used for research purposes and certainly is I'm not saying it isn't but also goes for billing. and the importance of it for you as a patient is one, you want your data to be accurate of course and. to I need to code the right thing. So your insurance company covers it right? Right. Because if my codes are incorrect, you might get slapped with a big bill. Anybody outside of the US I know this sounds. Strange. But if you live here, you know that it's true because you've had the calls from the insurance company where they said while your doctor needed to put this or that, and then you've called your doctor tried to explain it and your doctor seems like they don't understand why and it's true because the medicine were practising and the framework of the billing. Are are connected, but they're not a direct relationship you know I communicate a lot of us communicating our documentation, what's happening and what we need to know outside of the outside of the codes because there's just click boxes can those don't tell us as much? But the insurance companies. Their computers speak. That language. So anyway, how death certificates fit into this landscape because this is the big transition point. Once, all of this gets connected to billing and coding where expected to put like I CD diagnoses on. A decorative kid you know we're supposed to use these same things that we clicked boxes in our electronic health records we're supposed to put these. On your desk ticket and so we need to know what people die of so that we can focus our research efforts. Still Right. We can monitor things like infectious diseases like we're doing now with Kofoed So, it would seem really important who fills them out who do you think those out your desk certificate The doctor that pronounces you dead movies. The pronouncing physician does sign it. Yes. True. Negative. So it depends. A lot of times in a busy hospital setting it may it's like a lot of paperwork, right? It goes to the lowest person in the chain of command. So the resident or a first year resident an intern we call them may be tasked with filling out a desperate to get Sometimes, they're sent to your primary care doctor's office So the person in the hospital signs yes this person has died. So you have the doctor who actually pronounced in and says because that's part of it. Right making sure that we're not declaring people dead who are not ED. because. You know we've talked about on the show we used to do that. So that's part of it but then the other part is, why did this person die sometimes that part will actually be sent to the primary care doctor's office. Who May I can attest to this have not yet been informed that you have passed away. So I had sometimes now in a smaller community like ours a lot of times. I'm in contact with family I. Knew the person was ill I know before I get that death certificate that someone has passed away but not always sometimes that's your notification. And so then you're working backwards to try to figure out what what happened. In order to accurately fill out this very important government document correct I mean it should. It should be accurate. But, you may not have been there have any idea what happened. And you're the one who has to fill it out And when you talk about what's on Edessa ticket and you can pull up there. I mean. Hundreds thousands of images of these online. So if you WANNA pull up with a blank death shift looks like so you can see what I'm talking about really easy to find. I. Think that they're state by state. So you can look at the one in your individual state but you'll see that they're usually four lines listed as cause of death because what you're writing is like the immediate cause of death on line one. Then it will say which was caused by and you list that online too which was caused by and you list that on line three and complicated by. Old Lady who swallowed the fly yes. Situation and and you have another line for complicating illnesses so like It wasn't caused by this chronic disease that the person had but this chronic disease. Contributed to the process that eventually lead to their death. All of that is always listed on a district of Kit. So I can't think of a time where I would have ever just filled out. Like if we're talking about specifically corona virus covid nineteen. It is very rare that you would just put covid nineteen on that desk ticket. Because people don't die of. It would be weird to say that you just died of this infection as opposed to what did the infection duty you and I think that's that's half of the problem. So did the infection 'cause you have pneumonia, which then caused you to go into respiratory failure so did you die of acute respiratory failure secondary to pneumonia secondary to covid nineteen? That's how it would be listed. So already, we've taken that that specific example, I just gave you. Comes out of that six percent goes into the ninety four percent right? Right. Somebody who had cardiac arrest secondary to co vid goes on that list. Somebody who had a stroke secondary covid goes on that list all these people who are who wouldn't have died had they not gotten covert are going into this big percentage that they're claiming well but these people dive Covid, they died of something else? No they they died of covid right just caused. Yes. So that's part of it the other part of it is we always lists things that might put you at higher risk for something like that. So you're gonNA see on that fourth line things listed like perhaps. Diabetes type two smoking. By mean respiratory. Any kind of illness that can be caused by smoking would probably be on there at COPD smoking isn't traditional. You can put smoking on their though we probably should more often right because if we're talking about someone who died of a heart attack and they were a smoker, it would be really helpful for data to put that on there but that's not always on there, and that's part of the problem with decorative gets as we're getting to is. One we don't always know exactly what happened. If someone passes away at home. It is it's a lot of educated guesswork. because quite often there isn't an autopsy and so. The doctor is doing their best. With what they know of the patient and what they know might have happened but there's always the phrase that that is used a lot Unknown Natural Causes. Or undetermined natural causes meaning I. Curse basically and. but that so like. We have this we don't know exactly what happened. It's hard for us to categorize. Maybe we weren't there were trying to be accurate, but we don't want to claim anything that we're not a hundred percent sure of it's all very uncomfortable and then there's also like. I think when we talk about this conversation in regards to like well but these people already had these other illnesses I. think There's a lot of able ism in this conversation because what's being reflected this idea that like well, people are. Dying of Covid if they have and then list whatever other chronic disease that affects permissible death right and it's only the old people it's like, okay. Well, exactly ageism to like. Well, it's just old people so not great. Like some will be. Well and one again that's for crying out loud. It's. It's really terrible to say that like if a person is above a certain age, their life matters less and so their death is not as meaningful or if a person has a chronic disease, their life matters less. So their death is not as meaningful. These are obviously immoral things to say but beyond that. There's also like it's a logical. Someone who has a chronic disease that is well-managed in stable? Would not you know likelihood have passed away today if they had not gotten covert and so that's what the death certificate is reflecting like. Well, they had that, but they would have been fine probably if they had not gotten the illness. So the virus is still the responsible agent it gets the blame. So. I think that there's this kind of. Manipulation of this very. Nonspecific document that. None of us are quite sure what to do with, and we all do our best There are states where there are training courses required and how to fill out a death certificate not every state, a lot of residents young doctors. Are handed edessa ticket to fill out and have never once been told how to do. which I know and like. Of, course, as attending where they are available to try to help guide people through it but. This is not a standardized idea. I've had patients before say you know that they've lost a loved one in their waiting to find out on the death certificate and I've had to sit down and say let me let me help you understand why that's not going to give you the. Closure. You think and why? Like the doctor explaining to you what happened? It's you're not gonNA find out anything new on this piece paper and I think that there's this misunderstanding. Of how specific and how final and what we can know that can be put on that certificate? So this seems to be like if if someone is brings up to you six percent number this. Simplified. This is very much a the fall that kills you. It's the landing. Yes. Sort of thing exactly bore saying is only six percent of people died from landing without fallen co and it's like well yes but. The falling is the thing. Right? Like the the the falling said the falling dangerous and it's like well, no no. The fault is absolutely contributing to the landing. The landing part does kill you but like the fall is what? is to blame exactly or or I've seen people use this analogy and I think it makes a lot of sense to if your criminal defenses. Yes. I shot someone and then they died but they didn't die from the bullet they died from the massive blood loss that resulted from it. So I did not kill them I kind of like mine. Better let's stick with more, it's leading. It's leading something off the hook. It's leading the corona virus off the hook here, and the coronavirus is on the hook for this and I think that manipulate then court manipulating the data to make it seem like it's not that bad. Will make people less cautious and they'll be less likely to comply with masking there'll be less likely to social distance They'll be less likely to do all the things that they need to do to limit the spread. And it's also I think a slap in the face to every grieving. Loved One. Who you know has has lost someone to this virus to turn around and go well but they just had this to or they were also this age or whatever I think that you know that's that's a morality problem. But I think that's the important thing to remember that stuff gets there. We know that they're flawed. They actually tend to overestimate common stuff and underestimate uncommon stuff and especially things that are new and so. My thought is and I think a lot of people of Echo echoed this. Were probably actually missing some deaths that are attributable to covid nineteen. I would say the number is not overestimated. I. Think a lot of US fear that it's underestimated because again there's that part where if I have a patient who passes away at home. I can't and they never got a cova test. I'm not GonNa say that they passed away from cry I wouldn't assume that why would I assume that that would be that'd be bad medicine to just say, well, probably there's pandemic I bet it's this I'll put that I would never do that. I would put undetermined natural causes because I wouldn't have anything else I mean and obviously this is not in if there's some sort of foul play scenario that's a totally separate thing than there are medical examiners, coroners, autopsies, and all other things happen we're talking about in the absence of that So I would say the number is probably lower than it really is and not higher which is not meant to scare anybody, but it doesn't. Information should empower us to take action to protect ourselves and to protect each other to protect our whole communities. No matter what illness is we don't have an no matter. What ages we are. So. Well I agree with that And I'm glad someone finally said it. Thank you so much for listening to podcasts, we hope you've enjoyed yourself. You learn a little something and came out of this little you know entertained edified I'm sorry that it was grim Nah it's okay it's good. There's some you know that's life or not to guess thanks fish for these. There's medicines is the insurance program and thanks to the maximum fund network for having us as a part of their food podcasting family, and thanks to you for listening. We sure appreciate you and Sure join us again next week until then money would just Roy I'm Sydney Makarova's always don't drill a hole in your head. Maximum Fund Dot Org comedy, and culture artists don't audience supported.

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Booties weren't as emphasized and I remember enjoying and in one day someone said look good booty and turn around and Something came over my whole body body. that I never experienced before and I was like this is nice I like this. I like this ooh La. That was a rough as for me. I did not have any air. No ASS sucks it. Did Abe Really Bradley and you are Taller and shit past tense. I`Ma past ten right it was rough and you know they had the jeans with no pockets back. Then that did not the little booty crew the little goudie crew could do nothing with the no pocket bays but then you played volleyball though. I'm assuming cut shirts. Aw I I did ask me no. Wow and booties always look good in some volleyball's no matter what no matter. What man remember a paramount? We used to go watch. The track team is run. I don't remember that I didn't do tagger. Paramount man. Man Molly Blogger. Holiday was good though. I wouldn't that phase in time in life where people started. Discovering Butts was not good for me. How old were you when you grew your ass S. Two thirty yesterday? Yeah no it really did like. I've always been pretty lean but recently I want to say like probably mid later twenties is when I started to fill out a little bit more because I started like eating and being okay with putting on some a little bit more weight Ayton I was I was trying to say I was trying to stay. Lean us on our motto sue. Yeah I was on the model of so it was like lean ebbs and you know whatever I never heard. I wasn't like flat right but it wasn't. We've come along. You always had them Gonzaga Zone. It to reintroduce Zongo into my current date. Let's get back in. Ah Yeah we'll speaking of now that's an introduction. Smells like my sixth grade girlfriend in here I keep making making weird faces because of the salt and vinegar chips with a fish but then I sprayed one of the bird. Things could be a combination of It's not it's not okay. It's not that not speaking of the prison. I just had lunch with today. Is is a very special day on the podcast because people have been requesting this girl for a long long time to come on that or not disappoint. Yeah you better fucking miliver. Very we been trying to get her on. She's been my homegirl. For a minute. I genuinely and truly fuck with her in real life not just internet life and that is proved prove proven in that we had lunch. And I'm very sparing with my time. You fill me so. Let's make some noise for the lovely the talented the Kept Megan but soon she is not ready down. I saw her. She's all the way on the other side of the room. Br bringing back over there drinking water. It's here this is rick. This is nicky. I love you. Oh Megan but soon everybody did you hear my d. You don't have to wear the headphones you can if you want okay. It's like the new thing people protest in the headphone. Everybody WanNa be cute right. I typically did my hair like this so I could suggest Meghan so we just had lunch together together. Did you hear my dope in Troy gave to you know Nice. Yeah I said you were Lovely and talented. And I said. There's not a lot of people who I would give my spare time. I am too and that show that I genuinely faulk with the other person. And he said you are well-kept. Yeah well yeah. What's that mean like shower like you just put together nicely together thank you is it camps or kept champ? Yeah Yeah Kemp is what I said. Yeah I appreciate that you stuck to the script. Thank you everything that I wrote but you know we actually. We got into a long conversation about how people don't understand when you try to tell them. Hey look man. I don't really need to have new friends. I don't need to hang out with you. You know what I'm saying. People get offended by that it will not needing to hang out. What's up buddy for? What but I guess it is offensive if someone wants to hang out with you and you're like no thank you? Yeah the I try to plan the people that like. Hey look man I at this point in my life I barely see my best friends. I only see regularly because we worked together. Dr Eric my boy. WHO's fucking about to have two babies? I haven't even visited. I haven't seen him in like a month The only reason I've seen him because he threw a baby shower and I was obligated to go so when people enter out the blue. And they're like hey man we should hang out. It's hard for me to not be like why that's but that's your response though. Why well yeah ray of all things? We can't just bullshit. I'm like yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah yeah that's the only time where I would say bullshit in law. We'll take totally hang. Hau Hey hey mimi him him him amy let me know so I mean I imagine for you megabit soon. Not only do you have made him always middle name. Alicia Meghan Alicia. But soon own I imagine for you not only. Do you have many people who are just trying to be your friend because this week to think well you your your content. I mean the thing about it is not only is your content like dope choreography and shit. But it's also like hey let's make things together inclusive all your fans are probably probably like. Oh my God i WanNa just like knit with her unum San Knit and like and build things together right so you probably have a lot of people trying to be your friend probably got a lot of dudes in your. DM's trying to kick it. Yeah but here's the thing about like being in DMZ. When do you take them seriously? This is a question of forever you told me and then also you comment Amazon that because you are a lady nuclear alien right now milady out now for the next few minutes otherwise partly we were calling her alien because young. Is that nuts. Not you're not going to sort look there's no villain. Oh yeah okay listen. I've seen on high waisted pants and day boys don't realize that yeah. It's a whole new set of negative on the no chaser. podcast broke down the wall. Guy Her brand. Don't Oh no what youtube right now. It wasn't a situation where like out the Brown agenda tackle. Nobody has a belly button line. Yeah so as we were saying before you went everything out laying out right. Yeah do your dance. Dan's people in your DM's a win. When do you know what to take seriously and do you actually? Have you ever built any real relationships off a DM. Yeah but everybody. I knew before like we knew like Friends of friends. If it was like some random dude that was following me and hit me up in a D M. I probably wouldn't take it seriously sleep but otherwise I think like two of my last relationship started in the dams and one on snapchat really but when you knew already though yeah yeah okay a a what sticks out in a DM. Let's hang out like what's the proper way to to really take it from the surreal life if you know them or you don't now both. I don't know you help me out with us because if I don't know you I'm not GonNa really read at. I think they're the wrong people only because they have have so much real life Potential I guess you would say no. Don't change my bio potential suitors. souders other girls who don't do things in the public data. Don't really have that. So they kind of rely on social media right because those different different somebody with clout as they say and especially lady without like if I were a lady with clout an attractive lady with cloud I I would never look at the as potential pool of of some. WanNa kick it wit saying so I get what you're saying like single ladies in the DMZ MCI fucking. Hey let's let's talk everybody right but you're you're not only. 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I hope that goes well. And then there's other times where people the ones that are like reaching out to you like. Why would you don't even got a picture of have you damn self on the whole profile issues pitchers of other things? Why are you talking to me right now? Talking to me are you are you. Are you dating anyone. Currently make him. Do you know anyone. Do I know anyone that would you gotta be careful. You better you better be careful. She just just wait. Wait till I drop this shot as the thumb tom new though. What's and in single and looking in my DM's I'm I'm sure I know plenty of men who would jump at the opportunity. Let's see to get some between in their lives but are you. What's your your mindset right now? I'm sure the I'm sure the kids WANNA know down. Finally like I got it over just lol. Three years ago and girl time that you've just got over truly just stop writing him. I no longer care. I don't care and I mean I I only looked at his story once last week. Yeah no I felt nothing now. It's over now. I watched three more times to make sure we're and now I'm ready so you're you're finally in the mindset of potentially being down for a possibility of maybe something happening. I love how the list that is. Yeah I am. I think finally ready because like after that relationship he went immediately into a different one. Wow and yes within a month and I was like oh no no no no for three years and so I like casually dated people but I was never someone's girlfriend and now I think I'm like it'll be someone's girlfriend. I can cook way too. Many things is to not be not to make it like you know archaic. You're you're kind of the The quintessential wife traits who You like cleaning you. I love getting shit together can so now. I'm sorry. How available are you? Sounds like. There's a lot of things that I don't know how to do that. You can you cook and cleaning firm way. She likes clean. y'All we get some girls that come on his show and I'm like You know yeah that sounds fun but you never been valley you ever been up north to the dog. Is this a euphemism for Vagina. The vani she's saying when you say she likes to clean US I she likes who likes. Hey that's an interesting question that I've never been asked you. How do you feel about a women's are you? Are you attracted to women all you ever like like. How do I feel about women cleaning? I'm like no have you ever heard of how do you. How do you feel about visiting the valley? I I think women are so beautiful but I don't think I could do it because my emotions are raising young and imagining to a very emotional. People I don't know is like to Pisces together. Together Brown are you know are you. I'm a pisces cool. You know we don't you it's a nap. Yeah I was GonNa say it's funny because when you were talking about Muslim people you never dated a day Pisces. Yeah his his thing. Someone needs to visit the North Valley. Here's here's here's the thing that I've always said about a AH Pisces relationship right and I'm not I'm not super heavy into that shit but up. Admittedly I am and a was a very emotional dude. Who'd you know what I'm saying? I'M A I've been. I've been accused of being too sensitive and past relationships and I feel like when you get a pisces. That can acknowledge that part of their life but also keep that she didn't check then you've got the perfect partner. I agree you know what I'm saying because then it's like then is like I'm into my motions but I know bench perfect. 'cause you have somebody who can communicate but also is like you're you're not gonNA walk all over me. Yes yes. She's so Nikki blades is right there for. I'm not I'm not as emotionally mature yet. Also stay away from this if you still want. I'm crazy so I'm not there yet. I wouldn't even waste your time. Have I wouldn't do I wouldn't do that. You said three years. It's GonNa take you a long time to get over this three years you know you don't don't even go down the road I go down. Yeah I'd Oughta go down the valley though while we're here. What is your sign? I'm an okay and everyone just sip hip silently. Everyone everyone collectively stepped away. Nobody yeah no and I hate going into this. I'm really not into this shit but but you know you are enough to be your into why you know why we all turned away. Because we're all pisces. Rawad the the ones that you did it as a joke. Nikki did it like we're serious. What's your side? I have one of those. This area's one. I wasn't joking about. Oh no but you were joking about her being crazy though. Yeah no no no way if you're watching them but if you're not watching he series you what are you rick okay. Oh I'm a libra rising moon. What are the other ones? I'm also that is. Is it your emotions to yes balance balance. Yeah that's so are you into I think so. Maybe not as much as other people here but not here you go here. uh-huh maybe not as much as like Los Angeles girls at soul cycle. No fans all of it. You just looks like wow I never been probably not going. It's such a nice time but I was too hard for me so I don't go but they give you little tidbits but I feel like astrology. It kind of goes with that. I like it but it's like we really know. Here's the thing is i. I like to read up on it and then but I knew the a lot of. It's silly. Especially when match uh-huh Retro Grade Intro Gatorade Young Metro gatorade man. Water sewage came and went and I had no idea because I thought I thought that was like man. Metro retrograde retrograde for for Pisces and Blah Blah Blah Blah was supposed to teach you this ended. I was like Oh shit what I had a great last few weeks. I was having a bad attorney. She didn't hit me at all. Yeah if you and in my head I was like if I had read that beforehand going into that little time period where I've been like that's the way it that's why fucking stub my toe right now. Guys ever been to a psychic. Yeah yeah no use muse little. Oh I didn't I didn't go to a psychic but the lady was a psychic. Yeah Oh and she came up to you and said some things she was rubbing my mom's She was a masseuse slash slash She was deep diving. MOMS valley this as late as a masseuse slash psychic apparently and it was in Thailand and Hours maybe like eight to ten ten years old and she grabbed my arm and she was rubbing my arm. She's like Oh you're gonNA get into a really big accident when you're when you're fifteen and then And I know this the story that sticks out only because when I was sixteen seventeen I remembered that. Oh my God she was right. I did get into a big accident when I was fifteen but but at the time when she told me that I remember thinking. That's bullshit I'm GONNA be famous. There's no aliens when accident. I'M NOT GONNA die. You know what I'm saying and then but I wasn't hurt in the accident but I just I remember thinking. Oh wow he was right God. That's so wild. I want explanations sometimes. It just isn't is in man that followed him around his whole life and do fifteen and then I wasn't wasn't believing me the long con so funny. Yeah I mean I you know I believe I believe it's like some people kind of have that got a extra six cents to kind of know Shit. That's going to happen or can I believe that people can talk to spirits. Yeah I met complain one time this old man and we started talking and he told me that he sees like beings that are like you know stuck in between so often that Agai annoying you know what I'm saying. He said he would be rolling through like an intersection where he just feel that there was an accident at some point and and someone and he would just feel or see someone like the spirit be like. Oh you can see me. Hey Hey what's up and like no no no not right now. I can't talk right now. Oh My love love to spare me like hey. Hey you mean washing windows spirits. All the time uh-huh well. Yeah he's got so annoying he had to like a turn it off kind of ignore it because the more you open yourself up to it. The more they'll come You know that's the biggest thing. I just went a couple of weeks ago and it was for it was for work. They take my co host and we sat in a room and she was. I don't know if it's immediate a medium. Yeah Yeah and so and she had this little thing on the desk and it was like could read when like spirits. Were around whatever. And there's some stuff going on but let me just tell you within the first I three words. I came out of this woman's mouth. My co-host ended up like Ryan. It was like instant it was it was like it was it was really one of those things. And if it's like if you want to believe you're probably going to but it was like some of the stuff sometimes you'd be feeling some things. It is not right something right here. Don't and you have to turn off. She was saying she was like you literally have to shut it off if not they'll just keep trying to. Hey Hey hey hey. Hey and she showed us the the EP. You know like when you record and then you hear all this research and they were showing all of those because it was a more so we went to. It was a costume shop but it was originally more. What like where they would drain the bodies? They do all of that so as soon as you walk in so it is yeah and you can feel it was up there as and they're like. Oh Yeah if you want you can own use Russia in the bathroom like why that bathroom and they all start like the workers are giggling. They're like Oh. That's the murder bathroom. I like to murder bathroom. I don't WanNa go to Denver to go into murder bathroom. He was like not going back in their lake. As pretty messed up. They used to kill people at the more well. What had happened half so? So there's up shine you modesto so that sums up for those you know. It really wasn't a lot of stuff that had happened there and like just people have died in. They're going just shakes. Do boy tell you what happened when he went to go He's he said he could feel some stuff. I mean it is super creepy. They're it was Holy Spirit. Put you dig in. I feel yeah I don't I don't fuck with that at all like at all. I thoroughly believe in spirits. Attach themselves to going home with you all that Shit. I got blessed before I went in and cleanse before I went out I I was like I'm not allowed to go. I was literally like I cannot not walking here. If you already telling me that. This place is all messed up. I said can't walk without being blessed and they had all the things ready. 'cause they're like no that's my come and do the whole like doing okay totally did that. And then sprayed before I left and I was like. Don't you can get the bless you for children from the murder blessed before you go in here tell us bathroom attendants instead of spraying water. You don't want what you just did in there to go with you. I don't know man I. I was presented with the opportunity to do a show where I they're like. Hey Tim what do you think about this. Yes you go and stay at the most haunted hotels in the United States. I was like let me tell you something right now bro. Never I don't care pay ame no thank you. I swear I stayed in the hotel in San Francisco one time most likely it was. It was ridiculous like it looked cool on the outside. And you get in and it's like a different world. Everything was so old like the elevator had the gate that close on the inside saying the so. I'm looking for my room. Let's as like four ten and I'm walking down a hallway. I'm like four seven four eight four nine four eleven eleven. Oh what fun is so walked back. There's a hallway coming out of the hallway with only one fucking room room. So I was terrified. I I don't know if the rest of this shit I made up in my head but it was creepy weird as wallpaper like old as well and then it had a mirror but it was like way of here I was like who the fuck is this tall. Who was supposed to see in this here here but I could see reflections of other things in all right? Let me now look I look I turn on the TV. I kid you not the first thing the TV said was Satan Attorney. I just started like calling people like me buddy. I hated hated it. Hey what the hell are you. You've annia crazy story extra scissors. Spirits are extraterrestrial actually trestle spirits. There's I think when I was younger my sister and I knew our house was haunted and that was fine. We're fine with it because we couldn't pay rent so we had no other choice. I can hear you. We're all here. They think I tried to start learning how to lucid dream a couple of years ago doll alertus a make quick because I go on. We look at him. He wants to hear all they know so into. It's the coolest thing though it really is if you can do it successfully successful you said you started trying to do it. Yeah so how successful you with that not anymore. After something happened so like in the beginning I was doing really well. So there's a couple of things you can do in the middle of the day like having a ring honor bracelet as your totem. So every time you look at it you think am I dreaming and you kind of use your senses to go like this is a dream if you look at your hands if you have less than five fingers or more than five fingers on one hand that means you're dreaming you'll never have five fingers in a dream how you know that that's what the book said in there always right. The books are always all of that ever read the Bible so then I one time was like under in unlike Lucid Dreaming State in the best and then all of a sudden I had my arms up for some reason like La- laying down my arms up and you're like honestly like that. I feel so good often like surrendering to rem is great and so and so all of a sudden. I remember like having sleep paralysis like I woke up but my body didn't so I was like Oh am paralyzed and my arms are up and I felt like someone was I felt. Somebody's rhys pushing shing my wrists down like they're hands pushing hands down and I was like this is terrifying and then all I saw it was pitch black. It was middle of the night. Maybe three three am. which is I guess win? The spirits are roaming the most high traffic areas for for spirits at three am and I opened my eyes and it was pitch black and I saw shadow figures what they're called so like a like a slender man type of shadow. Go across into my bathroom and instead of like being freaked out all I said was let the fuck and like I sat up once I was able to move and I was like that is so weird and I went back to sleep. Tried to and then the next day had someone like smudge it with sage. I had my vacation a Christian friend common blessed. I had everyone be like get this Aso are you. Are you feeling like your lucid dreaming. Lets you like. I Dunno crossing over opening up a door doors. Depressing Ghost moving they call. That's like if you know about chicken skin one of the things. One of the stories is called the pressing ghost and everything you just described. was that when you got out out of it. We're told to cuss at it in order to let go of you and so you said what the fuck. That's why you were able to get up. Can you tell us more fascinating so one another store like we growing up. We always had like our tales about you know different spirits and things like that one that we grew up with was called the pressing ghost and what it is that a figure it comes over you and try to literally feels like somebody's sitting on your chest and suffocating you and in order you have to you have to yell at it to get it off off and you have to one of the things. Was That my dad always told me in order to get it off of you because at one point in your life you're going to experience it. They're like you're going to so when you have when it happens and you have to cut it in order to get it off to let them know that you're not like you're not one to mess win. Yeah and so. Yeah Yeah so since you saw it wanted you to see it and the bathroom for us. We believe a Lotta spirits. Are there like restrooms. And then also make sure your feet are never facing a doorway like an opening. 'cause you can get pulled out by the pig man. Swear there's like this is her. I've heard that yeah you get pulled out but yeah that's what we grow all types of Shit like that. So Oh the Hawaiian pressing. John White I think like I feel like Japanese their similar stories throughout other cultures but Just you gotta cut. I never heard that story. I always cuss at mine. Because I'm angry like lean. Fuck it stops but one time it happened happened. I was on my side and it just felt warm and Nice. I thought it was a tight squeeze. It felt good. Yeah I'd say anything and it stopped on. Its own you like. Where did you go commit scared you it goes? Have you ever experienced anything like that. I mean I remember being little and when I got older I I And I heard people talking about like that like stories like that and like Like nightmares and shit like that and I. I never remembered really feeling that as older. I remember being little and feeling like your couldn't move and there's something in here but I i. I didn't know if that was me having a nightmare or maybe like my imagination because out of pretty pretty crazy imagination. You know what I'm saying so it wasn't till I got older. I heard people talking about it like that and I was like. Oh maybe that's that's what that was but then at the same time you know it's hard to determine like okay was just a little kid that was tripping or is or was it the depressing Hawaiian Ghost ooh pressing and practicing and I didn't even know any cuss words back. Then Gosh learn how you brought up a spirit about the buck it goods. Oh Yeah Oh he worried about the problem. I wanted to buck talks. Gee I don't know man this is. This is scary. Thought I mean I I love Lucy dream and that's my shit But I definitely like you know that's weird that you said that you haven't lucid dreamt since that incident. 'cause I'm too scared to try. You're too scared to open your dream brain up to like another passageway or what. The thing is so cool so I know it's worth it and honestly we now that I know about sleep paralysis. Feel if I were to approach that again. I wouldn't be as scared and now that I know this. Throw a quick. Because we're GONNA be fine all right. Ah Fuck if I never did. Like a sleepover could probably try and lucid dream. But we haven't done it like like recently. It's harder to do accidentally do I haven't there was a little a period where I was able to really kind of force myself to do it and then recently someone then happy that I've never known before the Dietrich's used to tell me about the time because our boy Dietrich's Oh he was on he was on. He's talking about how he could get so deep into the Lucid Dream Shit. Yeah he was yeah he like open up a laptop work get work done and then he could like wake up in real life and like basically like that work would be done. You know what I'm saying like everything he did. Did in his lucid dream he would have remembered already so it's like he didn't have to put the effort in he was just a week like list. uh-huh doing just about to sleepworks worry about right now. Not Real L. doesn't happening. figgers depressing goes but recently it. I had a dream where I shot a hole ask it and then and then I woke up and I was like I remember everything. I did how I shot. The skit and I was like Doc. I can write this down and it's going to be way easier when I actually shoot skit. You know what I'm saying. I was like oh I I see what you're saying now where it's like I gotTa Shit done. I remembered everything meeting and now it's going to be a smooth process. I didn't write anything. I forgot everything but had I written it down in that I wake up. I WANNA hold Ascii it ready to go right one man it is. I think if you're really good at lucid dreaming you would have a whole separate life. Imagine like you could. You could be so not pregnant in real life but then in your lucid live you can have like seventeen children. We call that the SIMS. Yeah just make pretend play house does basically what it is sounds about. I mean did I tell you I told you about the hotel I mean before in past episodes but the hotel is waking up in which hotel Okay so check this out. Speaking of different dream lives okay. I never talked about this the different dream. Let's talk about a big of a tune so I had a dream one night that I was at this hotel. And if you heard this story on on a previous episode I apologize keep listening. Let's say for example sample Let's say it was Monday night right and I went to sleep in my real life. I had a dream that night while I was at this hotel I remember it was like a Red Lit. Hotel lit as enlightened enlighten party and a member being like an elevator with with like this old couple right and just talking to them and being like Oh hey nice to meet you. We're like Mr Sure Mrs Jenkins you should come to our party tonight in our room. We're having a little get together. I think I have heard this. I was like all right all right. Cool cool yeah. Maybe I'll see what's up and and then whatever I wake up in real life you know what I'm saying it's Tuesday right. I'll go about my life. I go to sleep that night. I have a dream. I'm at that hotel again. But it's not the same dream. I I see that couple like in the lobby and they're like oh you should have a party last night. It was Super Fun so I'm like in this hotel every night and every time I would dream it was picking up where are left off. Lift off now. We're left. All entering site called kept going out. Check back you know what I'm saying. So that's the first time I felt like. Oh Oh shit am I answering another alternate university situation. Are we in the alternate universe right now we we could be dreaming now. I remember this would sleep. hypnosis act you sleep with Nelson collect into a damn hotel. I'm Mrs Johnson. You do sleep hypnosis. Yeah yeah that's like. You know how you practice Lucid Dream I would practice sleep like his sleep hypnosis. So I'm listening to the talk down and then like different things can happen within it like you can flow or meet yourself. Felt like your future self or your goal is to be your ideal self and I would like I had I couldn't sleep for the longest time I had insomnia like crazy and then when I took my morning morning Java I was like I need to get to fucking bed like I have no. TV In my room. There's no blue light it everything I couldn't figure out and then there was like Michael Sealy. I think I've talked about this before and I go. Oh End ours. That's Michael Ealy. Don't get them to Who would not go to sleep? Talking me down. Oh well this is going to be awesome. Michael Sealy. We'll say that is the youtube account to where it was doing that. And so you can go through different things say like you WanNa work. On being a better person or releasing negatively like like trying to face traumas like so. You're going to pretty much like you know. You're you're listening to him. And you go into the relation and the meditation in the new go into the hypnotic not hypnosis state then you fall asleep and then y'all make sense. I listen to rain in the middle of that makes sense and it's not a joke. It's the real thing and I remember one time Tim tractor tell me sleep. Paralysis wasn't real. Because I told me you're dreaming as a dream mm-hmm and then the ghost made sure to prove him wrong. This is the first time ever happened. We were sharing a hotel room. I got sleep paralysis rouses while he was in the room so I could see him walking around Ali Shit and I'm like Talk about sleep on a lot of work and I can't news loser but I was recording my head so when it when it. When he was over I was like I saw about two minutes ago? You got up. You went and checked out. Oughta George and make sure you don't have anything in the door and then you put your bags. Yes I was having sleep around us this I was awake. I saw you do all of that. Nice Jeffrey inlays get Outta Matt. What's on those speaking of sleep at the same once? We were in Ohio and so we were. We were in Like it was like this is like fuck in staying at his. Ah Producers House like Because they're recording my first ever rap album right and so we're saying in this small room but the beds were across the the way from each other on opposite sides of the wind bid one bed. Now this is his what happened right. I'm like I'm Kinda Waking Up and I wake up and see rick looking at me like this mad. He's like I was like what. Oh Oh back over okay you want you want explain in my have awakeness. Our woke up and I could've swore him was right here. Like wrecking my fuck. Are you so those me but I can't. I can't wake up all the way to voice my anger and I'm like do I. Just just push them with some shit he wakes up and sees me. He's like what so he says. What and I realize he wasn't that close book for whatever the reason I saw him later trying to push? I was so mad like fuck. Oh my bet. Like a little full depth perception Trenton. So Megan Boone. When you wake up next to a strange boy I had any answer for ah three years ago? He strange to me now. I mean okay so I'm going to I remember when we were. I was I was going to bring up that You know when we were having lunch and I was like Is there anything off limits. Because you know you have a very specific brand brand deals you get a lot of brand new way more than me. Yeah understandably I get it And I was like I'm not GonNa talk about no no freaky Shit but you know but I will ask you about your if you have any relationship woes Like are you. Are you going to do any woes. 'cause you said you're open to relationships right now but why why would you say You haven't been in a relationship. The freaky EST reasons banking totally. Here's a freaky thing Is that. I don't think people know what chivalry is anymore. And that's the main thing wrong kind of for now. Well okay. What do you consider chivalry? I maybe it's different because there's that whole saying that's like you can't expect you from other people and it's like I would do so much for someone but if someone can't like open a door refer me or like I mean the money thing sucks like money and any dynamic friendships parent daughter relationships. It's always really really tough. And so I just I. The money thing is always been really weird. I like to be taken care of. I mean I remember talking to you like a long time ago and you asked me about something like asking me for money to pay for some boy. I didn't have money. You asking me about like Oh. Is it weird that I like expected this guy I was out with to pay. Okay I first day and I was like Nah. It's not weird at all. No it's the first day is at least. That's also not chivalry. Though what allergy Google the definition of reading opening your doors. Chivalry standing on the side of the street. When there's like other traffic is silver? I'll say chivalry in its original form. had very little to do with the way a man to woman it was about a night night and the way he treats people according. The woman was part of that. But that wasn't the whole thing girls just kind of took it asked me right visa cesium really that I like that you're not room for expecting him to pay for vessels expecting okay because because I hate me like I expected it would have been nice because then I would feel cared for in like that. I was worth it because other than that like. I'm totally more than happy. Happy to pay for the next and we alternate or something but like the first like if there's not going to be as hard because like when you go back to Archaic Times it's like stereotypically. The men is supposed to be able to provide for his family. And so I say is kind of like an audition of can you provide for your family. Your yeah audition go both ways. These are questions no I know. It's a nice. It's hard because like with third wave. Feminism is like I should pay or I could not in this world I could pay but like that's not for me like it's going to be different for everyone. There's no one's is it's I'm sure some women are like yes bitch like I will pay. I mean look you don't have to be As feminists as everyone wants you to be saying you can be a feminist and you can be a feminist and still want the due to pay on the first day and whatever you want is like you might want I would never want or might want the same thing so do I agree with the first eight thing. Sure why not. But I'm paying if I don't want there to be a second date. Yeah yes I'm definitely like I'll let you know. Yeah I pull out the car and it was like no no no. It's okay yeah I got it because now I don't owe you anything it's over done and we move on right and the and the Japanese over. It does go both ways because after I pay for the first day when she doesn't put out it's like oh no brian ridiculous but you had someone not pay on the first date. I don't know that example. I think it was maybe an example. Okay I just think that like I don't know I feel like people should be mature enough to also like be open and willing to work on a relationship instead of being kind of locked in our childish ways of like. This doesn't feel good so I'm not going to talk to you at all. It's like if if there's something going on here let's talk like adults about it and then try and work together versus against each other and I think in my in my past I just never had someone mature enough to like. Meet me there do that. That didn't pay for that first date I don't that's I don't know who that is. I don't know I don't either. I don't know either but it. Okay I'll go So if that happened it was one of those. It wasn't a first date probably but it was something that yes so were you. Do you bring that up. Are you like hey man. Why don't you for I? Oh I think I know what you're talking about and it wasn't a first day it was around the time where I don't know I was also a younger and probably not as well adjusted in. But I I definitely we feel really taken care of when I'm paid for in a meal setting because when I hopefully my dad's nosy so when I was a lot younger we didn't really have a a lot of food to eat so tim and I were just eating lunch. And this was really -fensive our server data sandwich pig ashtrays and fries and Tim. Tim got up satellites and she got the chicken sandwich and the duty dude came immediately handed her the salad and I was like so I'm trying to. I'm trying to get him out this situation immediately already like helping. And they're not right away right wait you know. And so he goes. Oh you're going over here. Her hus- like features were falling off my face like a salvador. The Door Dali painting. I was melting dude that I was so irate. What else I am not going to do this? You ordered added all the chicks and ask my salad. And she's drinking air told and I'm paying. Yeah I was like this is so offensive to be saying that until like growing up with a little bit of trauma around food we weren't we didn't have enough to eat. And so anytime that like my sister my dad and I would go to to vacations like my dad would sleep and then Nicole might sister. I would go out and be like we're still starving. Like how do we eat more food and so always having into share food and never feeling like I was holy enough good enough and worth it to have my own meal. I think I have a lot around that so when people don't pay for a meal that are trying support me. It's like Oh we're just repeating the same pattern but do you feel that you owe your partner that explanation because they may not know that about you so I mean I mean I feel like that's an end the relationship you're like at that phase then you're like okay. We needed a scholar. Kinda like why this is important to me. Do you feel like you owe it to that person. So they're like because you're the imagine now you got it today and you're like yeah. Yeah yeah he's like what do you do fifty fifty and that's what's happened for sure. I felt like I've had. It explained some weird shit. I've done before and I was like. Listen I cannot have you do. This is right now right. Don't do that. Yeah no I definitely think I I mean I could only give. All the ingredients is someone they can make the dish. I can't expect them to come out of the five of course meal given toothpicks. But now y'all know you tuned in single and look in feed her last food good food. Chicken sandwiches is yes. He likes to go hand. I hate that maybe there was a little slice of Ham Ham. It was also a lot of fries looking at him the whole time. I couldn't believe it. I got a question for you all right now. I want to be clear I pay I pay but like you said you will pay if you don't want there to be a second date right. We're talking about like this Thursday Thursday and you like I wasn't feeling this. Let me pay my half so you don't I don't Oh you anything. F Dude does not likey not you on that first day throughout the day I don't really know is he still obligated to pay for the first day. How how would you know offer now? I think you don't like me. So now we what. He told her no more so if that happens yeah why. Can't we just leave it there. Oh I guess he wasn't filled me. Why is it even a discussion? Unless he asked for a second Wayne. Okay so if he didn't pay then Ashworth I can date if do doesn't pay for the first day. Okay you said you would assume he doesn't like probably. Yeah so wise they're discussion discussion after about guys not paying for the first date unless they're asking for a second. I heard her. Dues definitely still liked her and then weren't asking if if they're not trying that I'm trying to think of how to answer that too. 'cause I'm thinking on a first date so like because I because you wanted to pay him. I like it because most of the people. I've been lucky with the guys that I've dated to where I haven't dealt with someone offering to pay. I've never been in a situation like that. I've been in a relationship where my partner couldn't pay or actually I've been called out for paying thinking I'm doing a favor and was kind of like. Oh that's rude food. That was rude that you offered and I was like. Oh my God. I didn't know so conversation but on a first date someone not paying. Is there a conversation after I probably don't I I don't know I don't even think I can answer that. 'cause I if you don't pay we probably don't you probably probably wasn't even right but also is there's like a rule that's like whoever whoever asks for the first eight should pay for the girl. I'm courting I'm still paying never had a girl invite invite me to something for the first time and then I make her pay. Yes but I still play devil's advocate. I feel like if I've paid and we're friends that's kind of like a friend the thing too but on a date like according as I would I'm gonNA use the word assume because it's one of those words we're not supposed to use but I would assume that's what it would be because I feel like I don't pick shady dude that you know that wouldn't do that but if I did I'd be a fucking throw the whole the flags red. Let's say guidelines right now ladies you on the first day and you don't like dude and you don't want a second date pay for your hat agreed dudes if you don't like her don't pay for her shit. Yeah I mean I I also think that like I don't know being a a man especially on like a dating APP donald cost so much money like consistently at least buying if you if you don't like each other you're each each having one drink but if you do it's maybe three ladies if you can't afford the food you're ordering at least within your price range so don't go have gohain. I like a lot of these women just going on dates to be fed though. Yes yes they want. That's a that's a real reason why some dudes don't WanNa pay for that first day to be completely and then if that's the case make dinner you're make a meal or do some cooking classes together. I don't know I'm just trying to get option is so expensive. I couldn't even really imagine what would you do. Is You take you one. Most of the time you buy an appetizer. Then you say okay. Drink six glass wall Dan Lemon and then take one titi out after this appetite. Take once when when when I cared what what type of overweigh fitting when I when I cared about this I wouldn't make sure to invite a girl to something that didn't involve food. I I like that would be the tests. If you wanted to hang up like do you WanNa hang out with me or do you want a free meal So if you invite the girl girl have saved in their phone as Free Food Ledge date what yeah the answer real thing. And that's why I do like so iffy about that. They don't WanNa be the food guy. Do Coffee I start there then. Progress JUMBA juice or something. Yeah that's nice. That's reason I've never gone on a first date. That's dinner like it's always been drinks are will. If y'all WanNa take him and make sure you get the money on it to make it sound like that but oh I don't know your girls got some baggage it's fine so what you're saying is by her Gucci Bag to do you have anything you want to plug before we Kick you up a little. My podcast you've been on it. Yes yes yes. 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Facts about COVID-19 Isolation and Where It Got Us | 4/24/20

Pat Gray Unleashed

1:34:30 hr | 5 months ago

Facts about COVID-19 Isolation and Where It Got Us | 4/24/20

"Great is here on the Fleas Radio Network morning. Friday just makes you feel good. Doesn't it just to hear that just to hear Paul Say those words. It's not the same from anybody else ever. I don't know why just doesn't Fridays have. Lost some of their luster though with the day. Oh that's right. There are still days of the week. weird weird somebody experiencing that is Jeff Fisher who's been at home for. I don't know a year and a half. How long have you been home now? It's a feels like a year and a half amber does yes. It's only been forty three days. Don't worry about. It's been forty three days right. Yeah Friday the thirteenth into today. That's forty day forty three. I believe. Wow I'm so keith. Was just saying he heard some study. Where four out of five people say. They've grown closer to their relatives. Their family during this time of being jammed in together. Is that the case for you. Yes it is. I know it's not the case for amber is she's probably well past that Oh by the way. Pat Gray unleashed sponsored by express. Vpn Why haven't you gotten a VPN yet a little accusatory meeting But I I it should be at this point. I I did. Yeah and Oh you did good. Good use offer code What is Africa on their well? You Visit Express. Vpn slash unleash tahoe slash unleash. Uh-huh it's a website right. That's correct anyhow. Yes saying Good job by the way Pins you all over the world and so they can't track you. I love that. I think that's great. I'M GONNA Fran. I'm a fan of using the the Docklands in the United Kingdom Server so fun. Okay so don't give you that I don't care if they're tracking me up not doing anything wrong if you haven't noticed yet by by now that you're not the one who decides whether what you're doing is wrong or not man. There's nothing I can help you so anyway Jeffey you and your family drawing so close together I'm sure the children Enjoy gathering round the hearth with you every day. Just imagine what's going on there. It's got to be ugly. You weren't on lockdown in that That house without a roof. So yeah can you imagine if that would have happened while you were ruthless. She would have been worse than it is in a hotel. Yes good golly silver lining Yay right. Well that's my good deed for the day. The rest of it's downhill from here another thing Cnn was just running a story about the challenges of dating under a pandemic. And I hadn't really occurred you know being married man now for one hundred forty three years. I thank you. I didn't even think that it's got that's got to be really tough. Especially if you're just starting out dating with somebody and you you were really starting to like him and then Now you can't get together with them. I mean supposedly. You can't get together. Maybe you're doing it anyway. I don't know I mean that's what that's what some of the data that's what was even saying right. You have to take the shot. He he was in his interview with the. Yeah Yeah if you feel that that's worth a try then right okay. If you get. If you think it's okay to get naked with somebody some stranger you've never ever seen before then just Get naked and start to sleep together. They go ahead and dig that Jazz. You know one thing I didn't need was Dr Foul on the draft last night With the little guy didn't need that either the start that really no. I didn't need that. I guys everywhere and I'm tired of him tired of him because he's he throws a wet blanket on every bit of hope. Hey Doctor Fauci. Can we get back to normal pretty soon now? The separation is working. This is not the time to just get back to normal life. What about casual sex Dr Falconry? How about that one? Yeah you do. Have you WANNA take the risk? It's up to you okay. Cool the worst thing you could possibly do right now is get the economy going again. They'll be hundreds of millions of piles of dead bodies all over America but the sex with strangers. That's cool. That's fine. Listen I have a dog in this fight? In fact might doug contracted covert nineteen and died a horrific death over there. I don't really care what you do. I've just say and if you don't listen to me you'll be dead in a week. That's all. I'm saying overnight. Getting dogs gifted kids get it. Cats are getting it house. Cats numbers number in several dogs. We had the first dog death what a month ago they don't. Yeah look that up and the dog died from Cova Nineteenth. I'm doing it right now. Look it up that have. I don't know that the dogs had the cats. This was the first time. Catch it ever cash. Thank you right. We don't know dog's owner dies of covert nineteen. That's connected I did test positive But I dog. Test positive for corona virus dies. Thank you don't test me. People of old age don't know I have no idea why I wonder if it was hit by a car but he goes added if you test positive for nineteen. Your death is because of gold. Nineteen didn't test positive for cove in nineteen. If you're around somebody with Calvin nineteen you died of it. So dog was seventeen years old and the date of Soviet nineteen. Don't know dog with me over. Damn inexpert weak positive. I think he just died and these cats. It's just a weird. Yeah because we were told. You can't pass between species weren't retold that in the beginning. Yes we were. In the very beginning. We were Pomeranians Average lifespan nine to sixteen years old. This one was seventeen and obviously to Kovic. One Thousand Nine Hundred Eighty. Keep arguing about the obvious. Covert back to your doctor. I'm just giving you the facts. Don't test me over seventy nine years old. I've been doing this. It's since before anybody in this country was bombed you. Are This sexiest man alive? I dare say Dr Falcone it's That's an accurate statement right there. A I'm also the smartest person in America nobody can. Nobody can Go against what I'm saying seriously when he talks. I want him to clear Snyder so badly. Do this cough drop doctor. You know something that's amazing to me is we. Were talking about this in the beginning and they thought since the death rate was so high. You couldn't possibly do this. It would be a death wish to do this but now that we're seeing that the death rate might be about what it is for the flu. Maybe just a tad higher. Maybe we should all be thinking like Sweden has been Sweden resisted the lockdown and now the capital. Stockholm is expected to reach herd immunity in just a few weeks. Unlike its neighbours. Sweden didn't impose a lockdown amid the the outbreak They wanted to build a broad base of immunity. While protecting this brilliant while protecting the at risk groups you know the people over sixty five people who have asthma or diabetes. So that's what they did and so now they're chief. Epidemiologist IS DONALD TRUMP. Saying is this is their big medical expert. He said Herd immunity could be reached in Stockholm within a few weeks. I I mean wouldn't that have been great if we would've taken civil similar steps and not destroyed our economy in the process. I Dunno you know. And then you've got people like Our Lieutenant Governor. Dan Patrick who said Look I. Would I sacrifice my life? He said he's seventy years old. It doesn't look it by the way But he's seventy years old and he would sacrifice his life in order to save freedom for his children and grandchildren I. It's that used to be the way we we thought in America that used to be ingrained in our DNA that our freedom was more valuable than almost anything. And we're just not there anymore. Just not their people well. Aren't you scared when people get it? What if what if we get it? It doesn't feel good. I mean you're talking about this. The Swedish model of how to beat the virus. But I mean can you back that statement up with fax can you maybe particularly from La from the hill article recently? Where they laid out. That was just in your hand. If I'm not this. Is it this one I dunno. Does it say what's the headline say? Cdc's failed Corona virus tests were tainted with growing viral Sweden. Sweden down the hill article. I thought it was in your hand. I'm sorry but they lay out five facts as to why we should end the isolation stuff. Now it's done more harm than good and hopefully we can lay those out at some point today but we will get La county out and it's right episode. No data is in the hall. Yeah the data is in stop the panic. And and the total isolation. This is the hill. This isn't some right wing crazy website. Ill Dot Com. Yeah this income directly from the desk of Donald Trump fact number one. The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from cove in nineteen the recent the recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate is If infected is likely point one two point two percent a risk far lower than previously estimated By the World Health Organization that there were twenty to thirty times higher And by the way in New York City which is the epicenter of the pandemic right now. More than and more than a third of all. Us deaths come from New York. The rate of death for people eighteen to forty five is point zero one percent or eleven per one hundred thousand in the population now. It's obviously much higher than that for people. Over seventy five fact number two protecting older at risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding fact number three miles ended right. Yes I said No. This high risk over here right fact number three vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies. Prolonging the problem again Sweden right fact number. Four people are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections and The fifth interesting fact on this we have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures. The overwhelming evidence all over the world consistently shows that a clearly defined group older people and others with underlying conditions is more likely to have the serious illness requiring hospitalization. We all know that knowing that it's common sense. It's an achievable goal to target isolation policies to that group which we should have done. That's exactly what we should have done instead. Everything's closed everybody stay home. Sorry we don't want you to get this because You might feel icky for a few weeks. I am and what forty three percent. They're estimating now forty three percent of small businesses won't make it back. I mean that's Unbeliev doesn't unbelievable stat. Yesterday yesterday we found out another four point. Four million people lost their jobs last week bringing the total in five weeks five weeks to twenty six point. Four MILLION PEOPLE. Twenty six point. Four million people have lost their jobs. Just heartbreaking so avoidable so avoidable but hey on the bright side you might get twelve hundred dollars to see through the next six months. So congratulations awesome man. Don't spend that all in one place to be almost impossible to anyway with that kind of money. It's just it's crazy it's crazy. At least we have sports right and we can sit around and watch sports. We have that. Oh no no no. We really don't last night. There was a glimmer of yeah. We'll talk about the NFL draft in just a second here because it was just a little bit of a lifeline. House TO US. Meantime let me tell you about your dog. And the candidate attrition. They're getting in their normal dog food that you buy from the grocery store they kill all of the living stuff in it. That's good for your dog. The probiotics and enzymes healthy micro bacteria because the dog food has to last for a really long time on the shelf up to three years. In fact they sterilize food when they make it. And that just kills everything. That's why I'm really happy to have found rough Greens Vita smart. It's not dog food. It's Doug Supplement. Sprinkle it on your dog. Food Mix it in and put back into your dog's food the live nutrients which are going to help your dog revitalize plus just love this stuff it really is like Doug Crack. It's just they just love it. Take the rough. Greens fourteen day jumpstart challenge today for fourteen ninety five. See The difference in your dog in fourteen days or less. You WanNa see your dog thrive again go to rough. Greens dot com slash blaze. That's are you F- F- Greens dot com slash. Played a Right NFL draft last night. A little bit of a lifeline. Was it was nice to see. I mean they didn't do it in a normal way so it didn't feel exactly normal but at least it went forward. At least they did it. I think I'd feel as good as I did. Watching the clips the highlights but it was nice to see it really was like we were back into football right. Somebody pointed out on twitter last night. I've never been so happy to see Booger McFarland. That was not me. That says something tells you something. If you're happy to see BOOGER McFarland when it's time to flick the bigger and just get him off. Our broadcast was saying something last night. It was some meandering story about Joe Borough walking on the field and winking at Emerson Trey. Wingo goes a very very interesting story there. Bugger I mean no. It wasn't not at all you're starving for it to. I know but let me ask you this. How did he is be an entry window takeover? Nfl Networks Broadcast Weird. I think it's the coast scene situation. I think they just had to kind of come together there and And so rich Eisen. Maybe he couldn't go down to the studio or whatever I mean I I understand. I bet that's that you're right. I Yeah I hadn't thought that maybe he couldn't go into because you need the technology of a studio to do what was being done and there was a cool thing was making the rounds of Roger Goodell showing off his basement and where the guy's GonNa run the computer and bring him the card and then a camera man so I think it was just the three of them. We're in his basement and there was a cool behind the scenes thing but it wasn't GonNa Nice Basement by the way is nice man cave and it was weird though you're right seeing the NFL network guys with the ESPN guys but seven guys on the screen at this point. We're trey wingo throws out this comment and see. There's no I contact you know. They're not in a studio. They can't just play off each other and it'd be assumed who he's talking to throws out this question and just all seven guys on the screen. Just stare at. That was uncomfortable. Awkward now is uncomfortable and then so after about five seconds of dead silence. Okay well but that's what happens. Would use satellite broadcasts others in that. I thought it went really watch till about. I don't know the eighteenth or nineteenth pick and then it was ten o'clock and time to go to bed by it was great to see and of course job earl Was THE FIRST BRICK. Pick as everybody thought chase. Young was the second the first three or four picks went about his planned and then there were some surprises in there mixed in all three of those guys who are on the Ohio state team at one point the top three. Isn't that interesting? That was fascinating. Nice Job Kinda shows you. Ohio State does a job at recruiting talent. Doesn't it was the coach? Then maybe the greatest coach of all time Urban Meyer. So he's got a powerful coupon case for that. Also at one point the pick was Derrick Brown. I think for was he from Iowa Anyway. Dairy around Auburn Auburn gets picked. And Trey Wingo said now. Derrick Brown is a man who starts what He. I'm like wait what he starts. What he finishes. Let's see we can find that place? I mean we all screw up during live broadcasts voice. That was an interesting one and we'll packers doesn't know I would never. I would never think that to to to to oppose anything. That Trey Wingo so I guess he does have to start if he finishes it. Just starting something else once. He finishes something. No cookies started. Once he's finished. He started back up. I'm not sure how much work. So what do you think about the packers getting a QUARTERBACK UTAH? State's Jordan love? I don't get it. I hate it. I don't think he's GonNa be the answer to anybody's quarterback problems now for some reason. All the scouts are high on that guy. They think he's the second coming of Joe Montana or something. I never seen it. I mean we play Utah State every year. I don't get it with the just going to be lonely on the sidelines with Aaron Rodgers ignoring him all the time. Aaron Rodgers learned that lesson from Brett Brett. Farr who ignored him completely? So yeah that'll be fun. Did you WANNA see some of these fun pictures you know? It was a unique draft the way it was all set up and everything. I did not like the silly boxes behind the Commissioner of fans of the didn't either so Kinsey didn't add anything and somebody sent me. This tweet is warning of the chargers fans looking. Nfl couldn't even find twelve chargers fans and put on the screen during the draft to put the logo in there. And it's a good observation right there and then In Tennessee and Mike Variables home. I don't know what's going on in the background. Son is something people are thinking. He's on the toilet. What's happening there in the reflection? I'm hoping that's the kitchen. And he's just wearing short shorts. I mean he's what it is what it is sure. Because it's just you know she's wearing shorts so it might be. Let's go shorts in the kitchen as our answer there instead of sitting on sitting on the toilet. Your Dad is drafting in the other room. In you know considering the technological situation that they had to deal with it went really smoothly. I was surprised especially with the reports earlier in the week of the test. Going well at all. Yeah they had all kinds of trouble but they really. They really didn't last night so test roads right exactly and maybe they fixed it that way. Who did the Falcons get they? GotTa cornerback from Clemson. Aj Darrell. Who's always right? It was a need. Hick five or six seven sixteen sixteen. Yeah so they probably should've traded down since the guys they wanted weren't really available but whatever I mean wouldn't be the first draft Thomas screwed up. Then you hear Tom Brady the story of him. He's apparently staying with Byron left which the offensive coordinator of the buccaneers. And so he was going to his house and this guy was working in his house. You saw this Jeffey. He's working and line of sight of the door that he has unlocked for whatever reason all of a sudden somebody enters sits down to duffle bags. And it's Tom Brady and the wrong house. And this guy's like. Oh Hi any situation. He meant to be next door. The House do look very similar but that was a funny. Little story of Tom Brady Been Texas. And somebody comes into your house right Tom Brady. You'd be dead right now. Would still be in. Need of a quarterback guys sent them once. Tom Walked in dropped his bags. It took a couple steps he was like I'm in the wrong picked up his bags and left her. Sorry now that were my house. I might have a conversation about a particular Super Bowl but anyhow That's a funny little story there from Tampa also from Tampa Not only do they have Tom Brady now. They also have rob Gronkowski who just came out of retirement when you're after he retired. It's interesting GONNA join Tom Brady Tampa. Yeah I mean you think about just I know you don't care but just for a moment here let's go to the four teams in the NFC south. The Atlanta Falcons are always scored and tons of points. Tom Brady Gronkowski. Down there with an already. Explosive offends and Bruce Arians. And you've got the guy who called the place for Joe Borough at Lsu now the offensive coordinator with the Carolina Panthers and you've got drew brees always putting points in New Orleans the NFC south team's GonNa be like fifty five to fifty one entertaining help so a that will mean there is a season. It's fun to see all that offense. Yeah I liked that better than watching six to three game. That's for sure. Trade triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three also. Pat Unleashed on twitter. It's a free form frivolous Friday where you can exercise your free speech too if you want and give us a call about any topic triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three. Apparently there's GONNA be some changes. At least this is what people are saying to air travel. Which by the way air travel receipts are down what ninety percent we just hear cases? Yeah Percent One day last week they were less than ninety thousand people going through the gates. They've been the average. The average a year ago was between two and three million people a day usually about between two and two and a half million but Now it's They're lucky to be over ninety thousand do not. That's unbelievable how you know is that you're talking about going through the TSA gates. Oh yes well when you notice driving on one fourteen on the freeway here in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. We always we go past the DFW airport and under normal circumstances there's multiples of planes flying overhead single time. Because we have two thousand flights a day you'd be hard pressed to find up plane anywhere in the sky right now. It's funny you say that because yesterday a plane was coming in for a landing in it occurred to me. I was like wait. I haven't seen a plane flying over one fourteen and a long time. Yeah exactly because normally it's three or four times It's amazing so just a surreal situation. Yeah then they're talking about Do we have a photo of this so we can show what the airlines might be doing? After Corona Japan like the way they're going to set up the seats yeah. I don't know that I sent that to rob by. Maybe a few days ago I did. But the one where they're talking about turning the middle seat backwards. Es Yeah Yeah. He's he's looking for it right now. The aisle seat yet the window seat facing the normal way and then they spin the middle seat around and there is like a protective shield. I believe around the middle seat behind the end behind the two others. So it's like it's like behind you if you don't have a way to calms off the sides Middle See. I don't know that that works. Yeah that's what it looks like right there because the air still goes above the shields. Okay whatever here. We are right to be fun. Well I GUESS IF SOMEBODY SNEEZES OKAY. Maybe it stops that. Oh my God okay. Fair point I know at one point they were talking about removing the middle seat. Which it'd be awesome. Yeah but then so. Irish airline said wait. What cut our revenue down? It's going to be a wall or you get your revenue back. Yeah so you WanNa make it You know more comfortable environment to try to give people incentive by those tickets and then you might WanNa take that middle seat for a while. Yeah when things do get back to normal. I don't think they'll actually be normal for awhile. Because for instance restaurants might start opening up in Texas next week where you can sit down. Would you go to a restaurant and sit down in it now? New League next week yet right so would you go out for a really nice dinner with your wife and possibly suggestive subject yourself to the virus this soon. I don't think I would know would you? You would keith. Yeah I'm fine and it's in this whole time I've been fine but there's there's this Mit Video of what you talk about the new normal and it just shows people walking down a roadway here. I don't know if we have the video ready but it just it shows when you're within six feet of each other then you're green to the authorities. Oh when you're too close at the new APP right the new APP okay. Here we go see that the green but look at that couple of top read either to rally lives together. So yeah they're together all the time This is interesting so somebody is on the radio right now. We need to separate them. They are too close on to move in. Move in sergeant talking about the the new APP that they're trying that they're designing for that. You know what happens when a couple walking together though right now right authorities. Well soon there's going to be away sniper fire killing people who are in the red guilt one right over. That's true. Take Your Pick John. We don't really care. Just kill whatever and there's also an artist has made this six foot circle and Toronto. So whenever he goes out for a walk he can make sure people are staying park from him and not getting within six feet. That's really funny. Yeah you're talking about the new normal. They're talking about TV cameras. You know like we just saw that. The new normal is going to be that your temperature is going to be constantly scanned when you're out in public and had the Google Apple. Get together to start tracking and scanning people. Yeah that's perfect well. Happy Friday to all of you triple eight nine hundred thirty. Three more beccaria Lynch to start right. This is Pat. Gray unleashed welcome. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three also at PAT unleashed on twitter from southside central. First Time watching. Who is everybody on the screen? Oh see me there's a host of you know the unleashed thing there keith. Mala neck over there. I think course Jesse's at home sheltering in place. What what what were you are you in? Pocatello Idaho is that where you're tuning in from their Jeffey. Where you yes okay. Very well kool-aid with seeing tweets While Republican governors all around me are opening their states backup. While north. Carolina's Democrat. Governor is extending the stay at home order but I'm sure politics has nothing to do with this. And that the truth from Sir Nasty I sure hope voucher cleared his tinder advice with all the powerful with the all powerful Cardinal Tobin. If he didn't he's in trouble. Yeah we do know that because you must clear everything. Did You. Consult an attorney. I called up Cardinal Tobin Hurry in Newark. New Jersey governor called up the The Cardinal Cardinal Joe Tobin Newark again. Please do not confuse Cardinal Joe Tobin in Newark With Cardinal Joe Tobin in Des Moines. Not the same person and not the same clout shall not be infringed tweets Keith. We can't have you bogging down with facts The seventeen year old dog died of Kovic. Nineteen end of story thank you. That's exactly right from scintillating duck. Didn't Tom Brady. Just get cited for working out at a closed park. That's right. Now he's committing a home invasion Tampa. What have you done? You invited a criminal into your town Speaking of Brady and the Tampa Tampa Bay buccaneers and Rob Gronkowski. Who We mentioned. It is coming out of retirement to join the bucks and Tom Brady. He said something. Pretty Darn interesting recently. And I I think everybody missed this except for Barton producer middle and brought it to our attention. He was on the Phil he was on the set of one of the Games Talking football during the season with a bunch of guys and this came out of his mouth did anyone else. Here have an almost career altering trait. What's the story behind you guys? I'm not sure about that story. But I did have a career altering trade almost a career altering trade and it was about two years ago I was actually traded to the Detroit Lions and I called up. I got the phone call and this was contemplating if I should retire or not about two years ago and I was like me to go. I'm retired like I don't know how that trade can go through. And then two days later the jury never went through believe you got traded. I told you before I was like. Oh No I'm retired. How can you train me on the Patriots? Wow that was has been Matt Patricia. Trying to bring him with him Apparently wow that's good stuff. Yeah so so much for the exclusive. Home of my body hurts So I'M GONNA I'm GonNA retire now because I'm tired of the grueling well the grind instead he was traded to the Lions and didn't want to go so he quit Interesting it's interesting Ivan. Deserve people can call. Yeah there apparently is because people have called it. Let's go to Bernie in Michigan Bernie. You're on the place it's called a Segue billund you. I wanted to comment on our our queen. Whitmer governor now. Yeah are are socialistic governor. She says that there's no politics involved but yet she those zone we'll do Msnbc with maddow after we had the protests and land thing with it was a hundred thousand came around in cars. She said there was a hundred and fifty. There wasn't one hundred thousand. She says. Well I'm just GONNA have to extend it again until it's not politics retribution. And she said she took a ten percent pay cut. You know a lot. The egos take a take a PT. One hundred percent pay-cut and she one of her employees and they got benefits right away unemployment right away and everybody else say just have to wait two or three weeks. So what does that tell you tells me? She sucks and for sure. Thanks professional pants my professional opinion. She sucks she's the tyrant that everybody is calling. Donald Trump who by the way is leaving decisions to the states What an interesting concept. But what a tyrant. He's not telling everybody what to do. But you know he's to ease also He's also asking businesses to reopen bastard. Kidding so many things wrong with that guy even listen to him. I can't take it. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three. Let's go to Chris in Missouri. Hey Chris you're on the blaze frivolous Friday up so that's not bad this forty. I know it's GonNa be a tough to call the fellow right there but Tom Brady wouldn't that make a home of a bad person if he was on the cover then walked into somebody's house and got shut. That would have been all that might have been the ultimate in the cursing appreciate it. Thanks a lot Chris. What a Happy Thought Kidding. That's a serious madden curse right. They're not just your career. Your entire life has been removed So thanks for showing up on the cover of the Madden video game. Yeah Yeah and that would never happen. Because that homeowner though in Tampa admitted during that interview well there was no risk of being shot. Because I don't own a gun. Wow congratulations your home is now a target. Because now everyone knows where you live in that. You're unarmed Ted stupid Just announce that to the world All right triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three also at PAT unleashed on twitter. I love these. Antibodies stories that. We're hearing now because you know the Stanford study the. Usc study in New York. They just decided they just did a bunch of testing with antibodies and they found that two point seven million people in New York City have already had the the virus and have developed the antibodies. Can you imagine had we not shut everything down again? We'd be just like we'd be like Sweden. We'd be close to Herdman to herd immunity by now instead you're already we want the herd. Immunity is what we're going for now. Preliminary results from antibody tests in Los Angeles County. Indicate that the true number of cove in Nineteen infections much higher. Of course the mortality rate now has dropped a lot according to Barbara for rare director of La County Department of Public Health in contrast with the current crude case fatality of about four and a half percent. She said the study suggests what point one two point. Two percent of people infected by the virus will die which would make it jus- slightly more or right at the same mortality rate as the regular flu. 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Elena and Ryan Osborne who live in Manchester said they knew little of the virus when they set sail they knew it was in China. But that's about it and they figured everything would be fine by the time they got back But then they get back and they find. Hey you guys can't go anywhere do anything you can't buy anything and you probably lost your jobs course. Sailing around the world in the middle of spring probably means. You don't have a job and you're independently wealthy but I love it. The the reason that it went on for so long with them not knowing when they pulled into port they said There's one place they said. So what's going on you know but don't tell us any bad news and like wherever they were? The actually didn't down in the Caribbean. Yeah there's one place that like refuel or or get more food or whatever the people there I guess. We're just like okay. Well happy sailing so anyhow so they continued on oblivious to what was happening around the world man. We got the the Boston Marathon is supposed to happen Monday. Are they actually going? I think this was. This is a while ago. Yeah this was supposed to happen in the past. I Dunno okay. Yeah so this woman who crossed the Boston Marathon. Finish line last time last year. Drew up a new plan new route. Let's do a new Boston Marathon route Reflect the times and so she used the fitness APP or something to try to to try to write out in in the route of marathon. Twenty six point two miles right. Is that what it is? You're a big runner. Is that what she has to Boston? The Boston is twenty six point. Okay thank you okay. That's why you see the little twenty six point two people's car pretentious little creeps. Yeah you ran twenty six point two miles good for you. I have a car jiffy. How many t shirts from marathons have you accumulated over the years with buying them I can? I placed the stickers now on the back windows like just off to the side of the block on the move she mapped out this route though and she was trying to say Boston. Strong strong. Okay. Yeah. Let's have a nice new instead. The route map out came out to be this Boston strugg- I would totally do that. Man I forgot. I forgot to include the last N. They're dirt cheap posted. That and said look. I'm an idiot. Here's the route but it's not what it's supposed to be. I love that Boston strug. Also Jesse Jussie smollet update for you. Oh good he's still around yes. He is thank goodness by the way. Did you see that empire just ended its run and Probably Anyway I think they had one more episode to go but they just kind of said okay. We're done or at least the network is probably saying 'cause they went from a high a few years ago of seventeen million viewers so this show was a huge hit. The last episode was seen by three million. Well just a little bit of a D. decrease their nobody cared and I think the scandal really hurt him. There's just really It ended the series if effectively ended it a long time ago but Jussie SMOLLET has had his lawsuit against the city of Chicago and the police thrown out in January. He told police course. Last year. January of last year he was a victim of the homophobic and racist attack Then we found out yeah he faked the whole thing he since has been charged with six counts of lying to police in Chicago and so he just he just sued them because they're of course persecutor mean and a judge tossed it out. There have been some good rulings from some judges lately. Yes there has now. The sad thing about that ruling though is talked about The he specifically talked about throwing it out and because of the ongoing other lawsuits. Which means that to me. That means that once those lawsuits are done. He could come back again. Which would be agonizing but I could see that happening I would love for him to just finally admit this walkaway been lying the whole time. Okay you caught me and let's move on with our lives Chelsea small. Maybe on the other end of this Jesse there's a Sponsorship spokesperson Deal waiting for you with subway right because you're a big subway sandwiches. You gotTa have two in the morning you know. And it's minus. Whatever was twenty below zero? Just gotTa have subways so I was looking up. The judge said that has been good ruling from judges lately. I looked up the judge in this case. This is a George W Bush appointee. Okay but I'm telling you man that's the one thing and hopefully it continues with trump For four more years but he has been remaking the federal court system so beautifully. That's where that's where the beautiful part of this term has been full appointments. He has done what his supporters said he would do. Yeah yes with the judge. Was He ever done it better? No I don't think so. I really don't think so. It's amazing and you think about the ninth circuit. Court of Appeals which he is redone that used to be the most ridiculous insanely extreme. Left-wing court in the world asinine thing. He's completely remade. That court and now you're you're you see these verdicts coming out from the Ninth Circuit Court. And you think what? Donald Trump right yes. That's amazing so really is amazing All Right Stacey Abrams signaling some concern if Biden's vice presidential pick isn't a woman of color like say I don't know her right. Stacy come my chosen. It's racism that's what it is. They see joe's just not that into your come on. Stop what you're doing there. Would that be a dumb move? Aw and President Stacey Abrams. What a nightmare. That would be as she's still the governor right. I mean because she's the rightful governor Georgia. She she busy doing that. Which is stolen from her? As we all know Hand the Democrat who endorsed trump Glenn had her on his show. I think it was last week week. Before maybe She's skipping stepping down. Now Oh this is the one. Oh no no. Don't endorse. Yeah Yeah so the the person that Glenn Talk to is being censured. Yeah Democrats that stand up and speak good stuff about trump honest right now by their Democratic Party. Tell you about that in a minute way. Young Friday just a little bit of normalcy returned to America last night the form of the NFL draft. It was nice to see all the disease riddled Tundra. Otherwise known as Raja Goodell's carpeting in his basement the NFL held its twenty. Twenty draft wracked with the deadly horrified Corona Virus Bronco and Gerski announced the picks even as bloodshot from his eyes and a burning fever of one hundred twenty seven degrees Stint Aflame Nagorski announced to pick after pick until both of his arms fell off. Why did his arms follow from the corrode of now? We've got that symptom to yes if your arms just inadvertently fall off right. Probably the current environment. I probably had the corona virus about. I don't know five or six years ago. Yeah Watch. I'm zero well you know. There is absolutely nothing natural about Roger Goodell last night so so stiff it was. It was hard to walk was bad. Man Yeah I don't remember him being that stiff. Maybe it was because he's in his basement and it was kind of weird to him. I think it's because normally he just has to read the picks you know and then Stand up there and shake hands and hugged or whatever in here the booze. Yeah but like last night kind of had to captain the ship a little bit that just that's not it's thing still what he specializes in. That could be above his pedigree. You've ever is there. Anything ABOVE HIS PAY grade thirty eight million dollars a year It's hard to get above. Cardinal Tobin is the only thing Roger Goodell's as we've Cincinnati Bengals who called Cardinal Joe Tobin in Newark so long. Yeah for months. You're taking Joe Borough. They finally got the okay from cranial. He's got a return calls. No I know you're busy man. Let's see from Mister Dunne Sixty nine at this point. I think my wife would sit at a table with corona virus patient patients. Just so she could go out to eat first world problems. Yeah that's true shooting Hernia tweets from what I heard pattern Keith. The only thing that can stop Bronco Nagorski is appearing on a Madman. Cover nineteen eighty-four Florida man tweets. We need an update updated version of happy days from Pat when the NFL NCWA football season opens up. Oh there will be happy days songs when that does happen. I think there might be a happy day song when something like I duNNo. Major league soccer comes back. Anything return we're going to be celebrating. I'd take college return. Yeah they do yeah. They got that project. Nhl Come back with a city plan. They're looking at. They're all trying to stay alive. One four cities anybody you know Minneapolis Carolina and. I don't know that they've named the fourth one yet. Carolina's state That's not a city but somewhere in Carolina they'll play. Nhl Hockey the Carolina Hurricanes Minnesota Wild Edmonton oilers. We don't know the one I don't know how they're gonNA. They're talking about picking up the schedule where it left off is my understanding. So I don't know if you have to shuttle between these cities and how they're going to do that how much of the of the NHL season is left about three or four weeks. Roughly Oh you could do that in the playoffs so that they can make make member Greg July August September. Finish this up. You could probably three games a day. Three Games a day. The city's have have the arena and the practice facility. Then I think they can pull it off so okay I mean the problem. Is The Stanley Cup playoffs? Take two months to get through. So that's really almost too that long Seven weeks probably wonder if they can shorten that to best of three series or not. I hope not. Yeah I mean do. We shorten our series when we play out here in the hallway. We do best. Which by the way Yesterday if you go to controversy YouTube dot com slash Pat Gray you can follow along with their isolation Olympics Patent I do. We're currently in the throes of a toss. The football into a dumpster series of course is a popular pastime in America and yesterday we entered game. Three of the latest series tied one game apiece and there was a controversial finish. I believe where I tossed the ball. It definitely was out. There was bouncing out of the dumpster. It did not. It did not touch. It did not touch Daniel. He grabs it there. Pat Says No no. Don't turn it out. That is clearly headed right. Touched it all my. He even admits he even says that he didn't touch it. No Daniel does touch your chest. Before it bounced back into the Dumpster Sur- it didn't bounce back into the dumpster. Not He says it was. It was coming out. He touched. What do you mean what does that? He's on his way out and he caught it it not its way out. And he caught it. It's on his way out and into the dumpster when he catches the first time you make contact with it gets going into the you just said on the tape. That is long as it ends up in the dumpster even hits the ground I it counts first of all I didn't touch but it didn't go back into the dumpster. Oh My Gosh. Didn't go back lease. He caught it two games to one as I continue to play this series. If you're going to be a crybaby we'll redo it over confident enough right baby. Stay Act Anyhow I WANNA come back. Pat Leads to to one and this will be a all right. Oh then I don't want to hear this at the end I win again. Well Cheating Third K. I've offered now we do. I've said my piece alright. You've admitted that it was going to go in no. I didn't I know I just wanted to follow along dot com slash pat gray. All right speaking of sports. Here's a weird one. Thank God the players using their heads like they're like soccer. Who Tag me in this. Thank you so much little soccer ping pong. I mean this is i. I thought this was going to be what they ping Pong Ball. It's a little less impressive but still less than that's incredible. That's impressed that is what? Cgi while a ball. Yeah that's the next using pig only last okay. So we need. We need to find whatever kind of ball that was and bunk table. And that'll be our next series fat right here hallway. How do you even think of that that it was insane? That's amazing yeah. We'll tweet that out again because Matt is really. That's amazing 'cause that's a long rally. Include this these guys have done this a lot. What are we then? Eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one or Gosh over two dozen volleys between their noggins press. Cg right right it is. It's a little come on if that was a ping pong ball. Wouldn't that have been amazing? Yeah Yeah I agree. You're just edit that out of the show and we posted later. That was cramp. Yeah it's just stupid now. Now it's not. Even an accomplishment are triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three also at PAT unleashed on twitter. Something else it was kind of interesting That's making the rounds on the Internet. Is this reporter. Who had to Dodge Lights? That came crashing down during her report. It looks like if if these had fell on her. I mean wouldn't it killed her probably but certainly would have drawn blood. Yeah wouldn't have felt no. It would not watch what occurs during a recruiter before you start lifting restrictions. It's really remarkable Andrea and the attorney. General is in some ways first of all. Have you seen any reporters do their report with a mask before new? I don't think I've ever cs we. Yes we're starting to see that now more and more. It's we have to stop that Alex that's all they're doing symbolic we're we're setting a good example for America's nobody standing near her within six elite people in we want the little people to understand. You should be wearing a mask when your own public here? It is watch arrest of this from President trump himself at the podium during his daily briefings what he said that some Wendy. He'd gone too far when he tweeted out for example. Andrea that The states like Virginia Michigan. Minnesota should be liberated essentially siding with the protesters as you say and going against his own policies so it is remarkable. It's not exactly your general talking about the incident occurred. They felt like a part of me as okay Andrews terrified. She actually handled it really well. She didn't miss a beat. Sorry I fell in front of me. Likes won't let it go somewhere okay to have a little bit around this. Our colleagues Monica Alpha Carolee myself reporting the president trump himself eager to get out of the White House looking at the possibility his as an ally of having and travel as early as May for that week. That's of course that would be possible. He would potentially in some of these newest first responders of of those. All of this is fine. Kristen but what about those lights? That just fell. What about the lights lights just fell? Did you see that? Yeah and that's what she says she's like all right. All right. You said something about the president leaving whatever the lights the lights. But what about the lights? You were nearly killed their kristen. What about those lights? Who's doing that? Is Donald Trump off camera right now pushing those trying to kill you with those lights? This president has blood on his hands. It be almost had your blood on his hands. Wow Yeah that surprised anybody if they took it that direction. No No. No I don't think so Ra Pope Francis making an impassioned plea for protection of the environment. Gosh the fiftieth anniversary of earth. Day The other day He praised the environmental movement. That well while saying it was necessary for young people to take to the streets to teach us what is obvious that is that there will be no future for us if we destroy the environment that sustains us wow yeah what did he also say that nature will not forgive us yes we we see these natural tragedies which are the Earth's response to our maltreatment. He said I think that if I ask the Lord now what he thinks about this. I don't think he would say it's a very good thing. It is we who have ruined the work of God. I think he would say. Don't don't worship. The creation is worshipped to create tour. I mean maybe maybe this is above the pope's pay grade but Maybe we should ask Cardinal Tobin the guy who forgives you not in the planet God but again I mean. It's only the pope talking could KRIEF. This guy is something else. Also I think that the Lord would say you can't ruin my work. It's impossible for you to ruin what I have created. I mean he expects us to do what we can to protect. The environment expects us to be good stewards of the planet. We shouldn't be purposely trying to pull polluted but you can't ruin or subvert the Lord's work and by the way nature who won't forgive us our sins nature's not the US But again wow. It's not like the pope said that right. Yes except it is but again as you brought up Keith. What is what is Cardinal? Joe Tobin have to save. Did you consult? I called up Cardinal Tobin of Joe Tober Newark so good correct one of my favorite clips of all time. All right salt. Anyone I called Joe. Tobin the most natural thing in the world. 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Thank you actually right. Thank you. It was growing from Oh STU is gonNA join us in just a few minutes. We're going to discuss the draft last night. I suppose he probably wants to talk. About who the Philadelphia Eagles? Yeah and it'll be great special guest on his show tonight studios America. I can't wait to find out who that is. Somebody named Pat Green or something at Green. Yeah Yeah I think it's they ask for about fifteen or twenty minutes something like that. Oh Yeah Green. So we're making an appearance on each other's shows today which should be fun. Meanwhile people are spending the quarantine in whatever way they possibly can for Ethan. I it's the quarantine Olympics for these people. It's a quarantine stuntman activity. This is kind of fun. Check this out. Kim. This is really well done. Nice Albee's dump. You can't hit a girl pretty creative too. So good is sold out. Oh took time for him. Whole only has a kid. Yeah the dog tortoise really creative that is that's amazing we got out yet. We'll tweet it out. And it also be YouTube dot com slash Pat Gray later quarantine fund for you had gray gray tabby with us today by the way joining us of course Jeffy from his bunker wherever he lives. I Don South Hell south-central think isn't it? Yeah and joining us from STU does America as well as some other show. That's coming up in a few minutes. Welcomes Two thank you? Thank you for having me present sold the NFL. Did you watch last night? I did I was question. Lee obsessed with it has any sports fan would be because we have had nothing Adam schefter got in trouble because He tweeted something to the effect. Either which everybody tweeted yesterday? Which was I finally. We have a sporting event to watch like a real sporting event. And he said something like you know. It's been six weeks before since we've had a real sporting event I'm really excited for tonight. And then and that was too much that was an offensive because he got in trouble apparently the WNBA draft also occurred in that time and he said. I'm sorry I forgot about it. I apologize for forgetting like look no one the people who got drafted don't care about the WNBA. None of them care seriously. I didn't even know that happened. And again idea. I'm starving for Sports. I've legitimately considered watching like the Madden simulation tournaments right. That have been airing. I like the horse thing in the NBA. Where they're playing horse in each other's driveways could be kinda good. Yeah I'm desperate and the WNBA draft. I didn't even know about it nor do I want to know about it. I'm not even curious enough to look it up now. No so anyway Who The eagles get lost very excited. Jalen Rieger He is the He's like the Star Wide Receiver for TCU. Okay Here and I sort of like as you know. I have a bizarre rooting interest. You know I've as a Philadelphia EAGLES FAN in Toronto Blue Jays. Fan there's a local connections here so kind of I was like well. I don't really have a college team. Should pick a college team that me and my son can refer some kind of adopted. Tcu's as our team You know I'm not like a big college football guy like that like I'll watch the games but I you know I'm I'm not obsessive about it but I've only been to one. Tcu game since. We've lived down here. And I went to it was a couple years ago and Jalen rigor it's like their star player. Has One hundred and fifty one yards rushing and like ninety one yards or one hundred? Twenty one years rushing in ninety one yards receiving in the game touchdown he's told while dominated against Oklahoma state I think and he was just dominating and so he was. He looked unbelievable. I remember thinking this guy is going to be a top ten pick and last year. They changed quarterbacks. Didn't apparently work out all that. Well so all their production dropped and they did not have a good year and so he dropped in the draft and you know the number twenty one they get a guy who in his pro day ran a four to two forty. Four to two way really. Yeah and it's on film to like they have it on on ten. I thought Henry Rugs was amazing. What was his last seven one. One of them was four to three. And then I think the official time was four to seven. Okay which is blazing fast. Four to two IS LAKE UNHEARD OF. Yes. That was the The Pro Day one four to two he he. He excited about that time pretty excited. He looks he looks ridiculous. So I'm excited about that one You know there was a big thing though here locally because one of the big wide receivers of CD LAMB FROM OKLAHOMA. Ooh lived all the way to the stupid cowboys and so the Eagles fans are very upset. They did not trade ahead of the cowboys to get him. I'm okay with a thumb. Pretty excited they got rigor and I don't even understand the pick from the cowboys perspective. It's like he's a talented guy but they they're pretty. They're pretty set at wide. Receiver is like one of the positions. They seem to be really locked up. Spent a lot of money on position so I don't exactly understand it but you know when you can get a really talented guy late for value you. That's what happens when Jerry Jones gets to draft by himself alone in a room. Yeah away from St on audibles and his boat. Yes I tell you I I was. Mike Gone Down in Miami this past Super Bowl. He brought his boat there and we were I was on. I was on a much much. Smaller boat passed his boat. His boat is like a city. It's like it's like a floating city it looks. It looks kind of like a spaceship. It's like he must've spent. I mean just looking at the time. One hundred fifty million. I mean it's gotta be it's gotTa be So apparently he was drafting on the bottom. Like what kind of balls you have. You're making your pick on a boat. You're counting on the Internet bakery here. That's that's you know you really wealthy. When you're like the Internet will be fine in this building. An Internet company was the woman sitting away from him. Was that his wife wife. I think someone said to me girlfriend. I Dunno girlfriends he. I don't know around. My son was like she's really young. Got Multiple comments. I start even if you're eighty paved so it's not a problem way to me though. The biggest story of the entire draft was the Green Bay packers. What on Earth are they do? I don't know I I don't understand that at all I don't to me. I mean I know a lot of experts or high on him. I'm not I don't. That's not a good pick at all. That is exactly how I felt about it. First of all Rogers still has probably three years. Least I mean at least he's thirty six but I mean you know. He looks still looks great. You could go to forty forty one. Yeah and you think at least there. He signed for another three years. Yeah and they're spending forty million dollars a year on the guy. What are you going to do with this with a backup who I mean? Everybody is a project anyway. That is Tara again move. Maybe you say the same thing like sure that defense. It's a little bit porous. Get him get him a skilled player. Tibial a good wide receiver or something like that Rogers for all for greater player is he is. He's a head case anyway. Ray Can you imagine what he's going to be like? Did I definitely? I didn't think you'd you'd like that one way did not know now. First of all state. I mean you know they're not godless. Animals LIKE UTAH. Close right yes. They're just the next rung up. That was Jerry Jones daughter. I think for sure daughter. But don't do a Google image search for Jerry Jones girlfriend that never a good idea so that the other thing was they were kind of social distancing. Weren't that because she was almost off camera and then she kind of came over and went like after they made the pick like. Hey good job market I so. I don't know what they're doing there. I don't know who that was or what was going on how to. How did you guys feel about What's his face? The coach of the cardinals and his setup juicy this he's he he was had like he's got this Multimillion Dollar House Arizona and Utah And so he's and he's sitting there like by himself like all he's like he and she plays up how sexy he is to be your extent. And he's and he's so he has the camera position And these huge open windows with the beautiful scenery. Really Nice like this. He has like this like one of those Like a pattern of like You know whatever it is like paver stones and then like all the beautiful grass in the middle of the guy is just doing nothing but showing off. He's trying to be the coolest guy at the University of everyone else was kind of downplaying their wealth. Because you know that their mansions all of them looked like he was like in the bathroom. Donna I love that Tampa Bruce Arians was that a Carl Tapley itself in this area and says one of those cables. You put behind your couch holding. Television monitors the draft clings berry like looks like he's he's a billionaire. I see the cliff. Kinsman should've just said to the head you can show the picture I mean it is. I mean it looks really nice. And of course as soon as he's on their we're at that point now where every piece of your personal life is everybody else's business so everybody's posting the twitter link to like the zillow page of this Guy House just tore through the entire thing. I mean it's beautiful. It is beautiful beautiful. Did you see that. It might have been the Tennessee coach. Mike variable son possibly the that one is interesting. Because I think absolutely if you didn't see this rebel he he's got one guy one who's a son or whatever one's like dressed up like a superhero another dressed up as joe exotic and then here you go in the background you see. It does look like the reflection that he's he's going to the bathroom he can't be right against or somebody's there. Yeah they said he said afterwards. Oh no he was just sitting on a stool and it looks that way though. He's obviously doing a bit right like He. I think they may very well have okay because the rest of the whole rest of the setup. He's joking okay. So it may very well be that they put him there intentionally to make it look like I mean. Why would he be doing with the door open and sense but I think they may have done it intentionally? Look like he was doing this Either way it's kind of funny. I mean it was interesting. No Tech problems. I threw zoom. Call my work life. I the whole thing crashing and no one can hear anybody in the NFL pulls off an entire draft with no issues whatsoever. Kudos to them. That's pretty impressive. When you have a ten billion dollar a year business you're able to secure some pretty decent technology. Apparently yeah what are the rating is going to be on this thing. I mean it was. I think they have the roof gone. Eleven million people watched it last year. So how many I? Everybody I know who have been has a passing interest in sports showed up to see these executives read names which is again not an interesting thing for most people. I loved it but they made it fairly interesting and entertaining and compelling. They did a good job with what was available. You can't have any crowd there you. Nobody's in the studio with you. Everybody's on monitors. That was a pretty decent job and goodell did a decent job. Playing up the Boeing thing. Did you see his commercial where he was You know he was. He had everyone Kinda as a tradition. That was a smart way to your charity. Type thing you do Hashtag. The commissioners was smart. I think job in like I normally do. I'm going to sit. There obsessively watch rounds like five through seven. Probably not this year. I what else are we. GonNa do right. It also gives you a chance to see everybody's home which is kind of kind of fun to see that Roger Goodell who makes forty eight million dollars a year has a really nice basement. Yes he should we were. We were going to this last night. I think it was something like He made about two hundred million dollars through two thousand seventeen before this new contract all myself. Total earnings after this contract. He's going to be at something like almost a half a billion dollars in total earnings. And it's like every guy but it's like honestly like how can you question? How well this is you know a speech coach? He's not you you can't ever natural. What did he say about the Vegas thing like? He said like that. So we're going to have the two thousand twenty draft in Las Vegas and it's like no. That was this year twenty two. Yeah Twenty twenty two what he meant. And it's a little clunky to hear the Las Vegas Raiders yet. That's really strange. You know I took a long time to get used to Los Angeles raiders over back to the Oakland Raiders. And now it's Las Vegas Raiders. Weird situation but get used to that as well. Yeah. It's it is kind of. It's a little weird Paducah. Kentucky Raiders. Coming up I think three years. They're going to be switching so that's going to be. They have the stadium built yet in Paducah. Okay all right good. All right Stu thanks for joining us. Thank you you can also listen stew of course on the Glenn Beck Program coming up in moments and then later on Stu does America and I'll be there with you. Yes we'll discuss the draft again because it we love it and we. We loves to so much that he's also the guest with my conversation on the at the Mike. Podcast my enough stew from this conversation. The Glenn Beck Program and Studios America later. Spend your weekend with Stu at the Mike. Yeah we went deep into the history of the show and all the lot in there and that's only part one today next week. We draw to lots of information about this guy right here. Okay thanks thank you All right triple eight nine hundred thirty three eighty three. Yes Jeff I just want to say I promise stool not just assured us that you appearing on his show Jeff shape that I I really do Jeffey on the other day and no no reciprocal none whatsoever. None at all. That's thanks a lot jeff. At least things are getting back to normal. Absolutely all right triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three also. Pat Unleashed on twitter. Here's an interesting question. Should Net flicks be free right now? During the pandemic because there is a petition online that has been signed by tens of thousands of people not millions yet potenza thousands. I think they're around. Seventy five or eighty thousand people who've signed it and and want a wide net flicks not to charge any money until the pandemics over. I can't still are you. Of course you're not going to say yes. But I've got quimby ninety days for. I've got a showtime good hook them. I figured out is the plus. I finally have Disney plus. I'd say you know what now that now. Yes of course you are. Of course you get Disney. Plus you didn't get it for free did you? Yes I did. How did that happen? How'd you get Disney? Plus for free you cannot tell you seriously I will tell you have you. I just don't want to explore this. Have you caught up on mandatory? And I've I've that's when I got it for. Yeah that's up that's about all it's good for. I mean if you want to watch all the cartoons animation. That's great we. Kinda Betty got next month right and their debut in a bunch of show he's GonNa be. I'M GONNA sign up for the first whatever they're giving away for. Free Heck out. There's everybody's getting their APP. So let's do it for free. No problem I if you are the worst. Hey have you gotten your government check though as coming? No you haven't gotten okay. That's up for you breaking up. You'RE BREAKING UP Steve Austin hope barely alive. Hopefully you're getting your Internet for free to cause not working very well right now. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three. Did you go away completely? Did WE LOSE YOU? Or you've still there somewhere in the distance. I don't know I their their love. You Jeff if I'm still here a great I mean the Polka Telo Internet folks need to get in there and hook something faster up for you and fix something that's been going. You were talking about The other day that said something that got me thinking. That really scared me when you were talking about Michelle Obama becoming you know if it was possible that she becomes the Vice President nominee with Joe Biden is terrifying. And I was thinking about that. You know that I think about this. They could be the OBAMAS could be in the White House for another sixteen years right. Yup well twelve because well if Biden. It's in with Michelle as vice president. If he managed to make the first term renovated they keep them alive. Put Him on oxygen set him in the back room. Keep him there. So he's alive. He runs again. Yeah okay second right and then you know by that by the second term we can take him off oxygen and it's over then she could run again and get another eight after that Yes you could yes she co or there's another scenario that he wins the election because you know. Michelle is on. The ticket wins the election and then immediately declares that he's unfit for the job and she takes over for the first term then runs for a second naturally doesn't count because I will count as their first being elected to the office so and then no no because I if if she serves so if a vice president becomes president for less than half of the term. Okay then another eight years in theory but if yeah if takes over more than hockey fan yes then. She can only do the four after that unclear on. Oh God I don't know but I'm not with that can't even so even so if jost if we put him on oxygen that still. They're still in the office right. The OBAMAS are in the white. Yes now if he served two terms then she could go for a lever and the extra up. Yeah I mean what a nightmare that we have everything in our our make that not happen right okay. Any way you slice it. It's a stinking near here's the summary of the Twenty Second Amendment of the Constitution Twenty Second Amendment the United States Constitution with an addition Blah Blah Blah Blah. The limit okay. A person is limited to being elected twice or once. If they've already served more than two years as president okay there you go so the maximum in theory someone could be president. United States is just about ten years like nine years and three hundred sixty four days. Okay and is there a possibility that the vice president serves out? At least some of Biden's first term? I don't know you tell me. Here's another awkward interview with Joe Biden this time with Al Gore organizing and we don't organize the rule who organized it. Who ORGANIZES IT? And so there's so much I think. Anyway I look I. I want one more question here. Is it too late to aggress to a change in a meaningful way is it? I mean is it too late to look through the change is it? I yes I'm GONNA toss okay so it's too late to aggress. I did something change Al Gore is somebody. Put it out on twitter yesterday. watches eyebrows during that. Because he's just like get their joe size and we don't organize the world who organized it. Who organizes it and so there's so much I anyway more questions here. He does that all the time too late to aggress good climate to bed. Is it that you go to? Bed has endorsed him now. Right John Deal you know every every Democrats endorsed him now. It's meaning us now. What were you going to endorse trump? I mean it's silly silly. Wow Al Gore behind you. I think that shows that A lot of big name. Democrats holding out hope for Bernie. I think that's what that shows quite possible. And then when he officially quit now they're like all right. We'll go mind Joe but this is getting to a point where even the Democrats are noticing it now and saying. Well he's gotTa pick a really good vice president because he may not make it for and you're going to vote for him anyway right what is going on you. People have no shame whatsoever. Play that one more time because this is amazing at his disintegration level. It's not organized and we don't organize the world who organized it. Who organize it. And so there's so much I think so anyway anyway. Look how does it one more question here? Why is it too late to aggress? Aggress climate change in a meaningful way and poor. Gore's sitting there like there. Better be something coherent when you're done talking then. I can respond to right. He doesn't know what to do. But I mean compare that to this we all these three self evident. All men created by. You know the thing. It's the same thing it's happening to them all the time. He can't get through a thought we the people we hold these truths cetera sounds corny. But it's really exciting when you say it that way. We all these truths CETERA. Whatever that sounded really corny. I know really sentimental. No it didn't when you set it that way. Actually No. And that's why. Actually that's why Stacey Abrams and others are swimming sharks in the water. No doubt about it. Yep she'd be making as you're not harder to make sure to set make sense to put another wish it makes no sense. See I mean. That's that's the same thing he just did there with Gore and that's a new thing for him. Yeah big time new thing. There was a time with Jill when he went through that whole thing and she's trying to help him and she saying right and then looking over and trying to offer some sort of lifeline. And there's nothing you can do. Because his I mean he's he's just disintegrated the moment where you can't help him. He is effectively the weekend at Bernie's candidate right now yeah. They've just propped him up in a chair and ride this thing out to November and hope for the best despicable. What they're doing and they know because the Democrats no I mean they can see the police. Just don't care a host body for that party right now radical movement. That's all he is absolutely all right. Well Jeffey Have a great weekend at home. Yeah good luck amber yet again and everyone else. I have a great weekend at home because we're all in that boat together. I will see you Monday. Europe backgrounds

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having a bad day and you know drastically alters your life through an auto accident right absolutely absolutely we always always worry about bedrooms ability I'd have to I honestly I haven't had time to do this I've I've more promises more than one appeared driving especially for a career flute music is great don't listen to while you're driving but also a on our comments about the pronunciation to a very dear friend Maya passed away and I don't know if I get a chance to introduce you to him brother heck they're gone or feedback the emails and calls for so good that I don't have something to say I don't WanNa waste your time but you guys you do and and I just really appreciate friends like you who is in love my brothers Asian and or taking your mandatory thirty minutes now at the rest area it needs to be heard and the other thing is just feed the rays thinking of music she told me about a week or so ago she's nearing completion of the illustrations nice so the serenaded cricket I'll be meeting with my illustrator in November after I go to that conference in Virginia Nice and in from major which is great because we're getting worried about him so here's what Patrick say he would go brothers then getting media attention for speaking or to speak at the U N she's already spoken I believe occasion of trying to get good music resource list on the website I was going to do that based on all the past artists that we've had be real soon and we can look forward to seeing that book on Amazon hopefully all right we've all heard for the past month I believe about the young lady who has been about climate change and there's an article here from the insider in June also that will be the start of our list all right there's nothing wrong with and she has a flutist and she has a A lot of things than what I I just little self-promotion in my opinion so so awesome looking forward to that definitely definitely all right that I believe needed some attention so we're gonNA give that a little attention today and the don't get me wrong I'm gleefully overjoyed there was a youth summit in the summit captured the world's attention and I am gleefully overjoyed the attention that it got from what I saw there is more to the optics surrounding the youth summit then one may realize how when asked to wonder why the optics of what is being displayed on national TV is when it is my first thought was there on the show but you know we're now approaching nearly two hundred episodes it's going to be some work so I will I will slowly start to work on that and and get that out there hi Tony was an album of Asian and native flutes and then it's really early perfect for medicine perfect so I can't remember if you guys do you guys recommended her or or somebody else sometimes you know you're on Wickham. Td the article from insider dot Com shares stories from nine other activists from around the globe out of the hundreds who were in attendance victims of this email there is a website called jop well it's a job well DOT COM J. O. P. W. E. L. Dot Com she writes that connects there has been nothing mentioned about them in the new cycles not that I've seen in an article eh the youth summit many of those children are indigenous children who are watching their homelands disappear before their eyes not in our am sorry in an article from Hillary Brute Rick from insider Dot Com Hillary writes a day after the Best Greta Thunberg rallies millions to demand action on climate change during the global climate strike a group of hundreds and I'm quoting these nine people all share something in common with Thunberg none of them are counting on the adults in the room to provide bright solutions of hundreds more excuse me young people from around the globe gathered with her at the United Nations headquarters in New York to take the next step well let's move on here into date of news and you are up brother thank you the climate crisis in quote they came from small islands in the Pacific Ocean that Hubbard just feet above the you have to think what is the reason for the attention being given to this year's you climate summit spokesperson at the UN it's only this one child standing up for climate change and she has the world's attention okay unless I was mistaken and I could have been the young lady getting the coverage but if one was not aware that there was a youth summit it just appeared as though lady who cared about the world was going to get her fifteen minutes of fame here is what is missing all the optics got it recommended her or not but I recommend her just eat that raise anyway keep up the good work my brothers thank you for all you summit looks a little odd because there was no mention of it being a youth summit not that I've seen or heard don't what I'm doing is throwing stones at the media because all of these other children who spoke and Carla show a few weeks ago and she sounded very interesting look you're up Brenner thing on Wikipedia Rhode anybody else who has listen to the show and they're driving all the time you know guys be safe out there you know and leaves my word of advice on my ever long to do this for the show so thinking I'm sorry speaking of books I meant to tell you this the other day I think what I need to do is just put a few up and then gradually over time just add some more at best way to do it yeah same thing with book resources something else look climate crisis so that is why I have stated the optics surrounding the media coverage on the Climate Change Britt strong these young people from around the globe flocked to the first UN you climate summit over the weekend to discuss how to solve services the water where CEELO is a daily concern they come from deep in the Amazon rainforest where trees are being burned and indigenous peoples pushed out of their homes more than five UH anyway go ahead I'm sorry that's okay so that's that's who the stones are being tossed in it's not this young lady who voiced her and democracy now from what I understand did a good job at trying to cover a lot of those children's speaking look there I'd I'd all the truck noise going by but that on and and have a few minutes of meditation and drift off to sleep I mean hanging she has every right to do so and I'm glad she did but you know the optic surrounding bat was there Edrich good to hear from you buddy thank you for calling in worrying about Jay sent him an email couple of weeks ago and they only showcase this one young lady now I'm not throwing stones in her nine that's not what you too brother yeah definitely it's a if because especially in on the road right you know this crap going on in the world and you just never know and you know there was not a lot of mention of the youth summit Omay Greta aren't the Thunberg excuse me was going to speak at the UN that's the On is this European young lady that speaking for hope who she speaking for we know who she's speaking to but you know they're not giving all of these other children whose homes are literally being impacted by climate can get further you cannot justify human rights abuses with art the people who live in the Amazon rainforest or doing everything they can't stop the excuse me earlier this year and this audio was produced by we don't have time for their van we don't time them sorry there was expansion of the oil frontier local governments are supporting under the false impression that drilling for oil get them out of poverty if you look at so we have a clip from you know her speaking here go Ecuador is not and we don't have time is the conference name and the source came from their their Youtube Channel Four they got you know no problem around this whole thing but Ilori Hillary Brewer X. mentioned Hillary brex mentioned of nine other children her nar article many going to get out of poverty because they come and drill for oil in the Amazon Ecuador is going to do the only rainforest that we have Amazon Watch and in their documentary keep it in the ground it's it's something to listen to employees by some of the people in the article and there's a missile Lena while Lena seventeen-year-old left to destroy cultures and Environments Kill Animals that's not getting it needs to be absolutely another young man Daniel Djibouti thirty from Nigeria spoke at the time the time climate conference who have not had the same notoriety as Greg Thunberg s that's that's my whole point to balance disobey we located a couple of their presentations it's from the Ecuadorian Amazon and we have a clip for you know audio produced by again she's seventeen and miliver statement at the end where a painting their ass and that's what needs to happen with a man from Nigeria his with US via assume from the United States his name is Danielle Gucci put him and he's an award-winning African trade here and this was their hands but that did results of Africans having some pre colonial mentalities Africans have in absence of leadership with respect to the government promotes climate awareness bills public commitment and also triggers climate action in all levels at all levels and Daniel is with us via soon from Dan and it's what's allowing many cases these doors to be opened for these developers to come in and screw the land one hundred and sixty nine nations so the problem is we have a challenge some of the challenges of Climate Action I actually Dr. He founded and runs also runs a not for profit organization called team fifty projects international and this group those places where they are drilling those are the region people terrible health show which -cation those New York please give him a warm hand hello onto his his acknowledgement and and I'll say some critique back to leadership of his country and as Dave mentioned again she was in the news recently as she spoke at the UN youth climate action only the in good morning everyone in chat the early early arrivals in the later arrivals good morning one and all appreciate it thank you thank you awesome so please be careful on your trip to wherever you're going to that another person listening while driving absolutely no flute music I'm the founder of project enough of profit organization that raises awareness about the impacts of climate change Imboula over and over again we we we see this so I want to go back to Greta tune bird for a moment okay go ahead this over common shared goals which as we knew is what they make their profit from so every society looks to their leaders every society should have that they're embracing colonialism too much And I thought that was very telling people need to keep that in mind because because of its history this is all wrong I shouldn't be up here I should be back in school on sailed across the Atlantic Ocean from Plymouth UK to New York in a sixty foot racing yacht and it was positioned from PBS news. Greta your first climate strike was a lonely event a little over a year ago and in the intervening time you have sparked the interest wrong so corporate he does not expect but we need more now the idea and the mentality of a corporate world is exploit the sufferings of people and the hitter of them and my brother is two minutes ago different ways on acting on climate change we'll talk more about that now of millions literally of children around the globe demanding action for climate change what's your message to world leaders today are and she she actually grabbed quite a bit of international notoriety last month because one can you hear me yes all right thank you so much for having me on my name is Jean is Daniel Suitable legit stolen my dreams might childhood with your empty words yet I'm one of the lucky ones people so there's been quite a bit a talk about that particular speech and how she aimed it as Dave Alita that killed that direction for the future especially the future young ones so what was interesting about that clip eh so thank you for listening please be safe Yes always and good my message is that's we'll be watching you What the media focused on for a moment so this is what Greta herself said at that climate summit this is just a brief excerpt of that mentioned how she aimed at adults right so one adult in particular that she aimed at was the Cheeto and the Cheeto was there at the UN to give speeches well at the same time so the side of the ocean yet you all come to US young people for hope how dare you dave mentioned earlier got a tune Berg and and they're media's sole focus on her you as much as it pains me a few minutes not even a few minutes about a minute of the cheetos speech or she had positioned it excuse me really as a transatlantic crossing to demonstrate the importance of reducing emissions bring people are dying entire ecosystems collapsing we are in the beginning of a mass extinction thanks to our pro growth economic policies our domestic unemployment rate reached its lowest level in over half a cent it's a summit and she didn't and they didn't again error any of the other any other speeches so I wanted to play a bit having spent over two and a half trillion dollars since my election to completely rebuild our great military is also by far the world's most power Hello World Trade Organization Lord of mercy so if you needed proof her quote all you can talk about is money and Sherry tells of economic growth here the United States after awful nation our nation must be strong in wealth and in spirit this is all they care about folks sharing economic growth the rest was focused on Iran Saudi Arabia and at the UN ten days ago at the same time that Greta gave her speech keep in mind for one producer of oil and natural gas anywhere in the world as we rebuild the unrivaled might of the American of her quotes and shared by many others that spoke at the youth conference there you go your fair share of the tremendous defense burden which the United States has borne in the past tomorrow I will join prime minister absolutely so those that voted for him it's your fault gave a approximately thirty minutes speech of which fifteen to eighteen minutes of it with stuff like that tree we are marshalling our nation's vast energy abundance and the United States is now the oh you heard mentioned all you can talk about and I'm quoting is money and fairy tales of economic growth right I want to play for attorney we are also revitalizing our alliances by making it very clear that all of our partners are expected to pay expensive WHO and at the expense of what go ahead I'm I'm still I'm still dumping friendships over stupidity especially over him exactly but they were staunchly defending it is a shame because those people sadly sadly and I hate to lose showing the direction that they want now are colonial master? Somehow I've been able to fuse the Dow be packaged as global copper don't get think that fool and what he's been doing staunchly defending him and I said you know what and some have been rather insensitive towards it and the people who care about it like Greta tune bird if you need the unframed yourself please do because you know my stance on the full in the White House and there you have it uh-huh so now conservative Republicans haven't supported climate change movement at all really and all you can talk about is money in fairy tales of each economic growth how dare you initially to give examples which is the pains us so take conservative Michael Knowles in American conservative political commentator on Fox News where else and a correspondent for the Andrew Klavan show podcast what he said if it were about science be led by scientists rather than by politicians and mentally ill Swedish child who is being exploited by parents and by the international so what you're seeing here is founded the reality that that fool sits at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue Support This P. O. S. sitting at Sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue commonly known as the just to go away all right so in the last year I've I've discovered that I have got a tumor has been very open that she's been diagnosed diagnosed with a form of autism known as as murders I I am I'm just dumbfounded America did that I've absolute Americans did that RBM Japan to continue our progress in finalising terrific new trade deal so that piece of stuff time on the show to do that I'm more focused on what an idiot says so that's what he said that she's mentally ill fool in the White House you said Hashtag please do I'm sorry I'm sorry I said at least one of them said how dare you yeah well you know again it was one of these useless cable news network panels were cliff just asked you what was the percentage loss of friends okay let's see political movement and a religious movement and it's fulfilling religious and political goals of the left but it isn't doing very much for Science Christie had a visceral reaction okay simple as that even if you were like well I thought it was making the right decision you didn't and hopefully learned if you on it Lindberg to the nineteen eighty-four movie children of the corn I anyone else find that schilling time tribulation has come I put to two opposing positions in a moderator that pretends like he or she is neutral that kind of crap okay which I you know it's a waste of our give me one more example here's an a hole from Fox News also this is Laura Ingram so it's not just men doing this Laura Ingraham compared they simply look at the world differently and many times these kids who grow into perfectly healthy adults yeah idiot not funny not funny but yet they pay millions of dollars to make statements like that and there were others mostly so again my son and the thousands who have the same diagnosis right they're not mentally ill them to call a sixteen year old mentally ill or worse really is the same as doing but for these conservative pieces of excel in other areas such as areas like stem. Okay now you probably thirty three percent if you need if you need the exact percentage about thirty three percent I am twenty two years old. NBC's America's got talent a young man named Cody Lee who was blind and autistic blew everyone away how about a concrete example when I'm talking about of selling when you have challenges recently on now out of that three twenty five hundred and fifty of those people I knew personally well that's a shame entourage was going to say it you do that next segment they're just wanted to give a shout out to Sandra who's listening to the show as she drives this morning Nice artistic it's really hard to do what everybody else does it actually has saved his life playing music we love him here you go for it you ready I'm ready that guy but I wanNA defend Greta a little bit because I took some of this personally because my own son is diagnosed with ASPERGER's making derogatory comments on twitter like another a hole I'm so upset right now I can't think of his name some people every day every day he's doing a great job yeah I in the last in the light of laugh at it anymore honestly I'm just you know he needs welcome to that go ahead yeah sorry about it on my part but anyway tune worries tell us a little bit about cody cody is blind and autistic we found out that he loved music really early on Oh who are incapable of caring about other human beings and the world we live in which Michael Knowles and Laura Ingram okay who said that we as native people aren't really native people that we need to check around history yeah he listened in his is just one huge and he started seeing and that's when I was in tears because that's when I realized Oh my God can't cover stuff equally will screw you we'll take over an independent media uh just because you have a holes on mainstream news and a holes in media overall he's an entertainer so in performing and he was able to withstand living in this world because a- and that makes me that makes me know that because you can't do your jobs and you being led by idiots who don't care either news directors the these are the people that David was talking about is you can't how long did that take days again I'm going to sing a song for you and the piano in a made some sleep thought he was gonNA help you but anyways thank sorry right I I hear that cast is at hand the final I can't wait for Stephen King sequel children of the climate with his incredible singing voice check it out idiots the holes that are telling people go out and frigging hurricanes to tell me it's windy and epping raining the to what I think is more concerning and most likely a true mental illness would be re twenty five that let me know that three hundred and twenty-five of the people that are supposed to be friends you welcome your name and I here I'll give you a number I lost three hundred and twenty-five I kept count three hundred and twenty five people off my facebook friends list and the last year Lisa are not capable of doing no of course not get off topic but climate change is real people not giving them any airtime to voice their concerns I that's what's really sad about the optics aw do that whole segment half an hour with our ally and we were able to include some of the voices in that so Ooh Ooh what are you going to do here for us in many places in job search it down yeah because you can't do you're damn job so the rest of us are going to have to do it apparently well I applaud democracy now or other outlets that are trying to do the right thing but mainstream news media Fu Bernie Sanders visited the Comanche nation recently and he and six people chaired so I don't know if Mr Nelson you went over many laugh like yeah I think so how to fight for native American communities and an article was released through the press pool of innings then went on we by this time all citizens to me as one because and if you for calling my son having a mental illness yeah these other ones we're talking about so in the past week or so Bernie again visited commenced nation as a candidate for president of the United States the audio might be a little hard to hear but the tribal chairman opened his visit don't you today media network independent native run news organization I'm not I'm not going to group them in with these other you know most of the crowd wasn't wasn't buying it or your frigging podcast idiot all right moving on Europe very nice so I gave a very good letter I bet it's an art an actual candidate for president I can sit down sit down the question to his people which made me actually laugh a little bit here's what he said going to our yeah that that you know for for him to say that about that young lady on national TV was uncalled for it had it had to be had to be brought up the only way to absolutely it's the play their crap absolutely it had to be brought so that we won't buy your book so that we won't listen to your stupid ass network also taken away his name off today with this trump on ask her the commission an American citizen of the longest serving the art and so from Senator Sanders website it states quote Senator Sanders yesterday address the twenty eighth annual to that we're hopeful other possible candidates both sides of the President Away with Southwest Oklahoma and the nation nor deny original landward never ever never we had so let's face it Senator Bernie Sanders is fought for the rights of people most of his it congressman senator from Vermont who's running for the president of the United States here he is everybody Senator Bernie Sanders why no other presidential candidate is visited Comanche nation this goes to why some other career I don't think that's in dispute there's no question about that whatsoever I have to wonder though the nation September twenty second there are many problems that candidates need to hear from representatives of Indian country for but anyway he went on to give the audience some proud history which was always good and then introduced Senator Sanders so here's the rest history was also made back in August at the first ever Franklin Mir native American presidential debate in Iowa Okay Comanche Nation Fair POW in Lawton Oklahoma Sanders is the first presidential candidate to visit the Comanche nation since Theodore Roosevelt close quote it's high time really that Our political candidates take Indian countries seriously as an important voting constituency because they don't they look at sunset from Calgary all the way to Mexico City traveled Senator Sanders you're on comer by state not not now future the network but the question still remains Do these policy sample rarely is there a conversation about the youth and the contribution they can make to their communities yes you couldn't understand what the commenced you travel chairman Mr Nelson was a saying because the audio wasn't that great us they see five million people recorded there and they'll ask who cares literally as what they do pose pose why Bernie Sanders coming to command so answer the washes says they have lavigne's trust judy the nation as tested by the past treaties our nation can never be Titians really listened to themselves when they speak at us all right do they not understand that we are painfully aware of the shortcomings rarely is there any conversation outside of the native community about youth suicide as evidenced in that same article from ending country today of years overdue when they people delete treated with respect and they are entitled there's a nation we have not seen the representation from eighty candidates for the highest office that we have been let down in that quote they know close quote treaties have been broken and that quote they and I applaud Bernie for reaching out ending country. He's building on the outreach that he didn't twenty sixteen right did we know that whoever ends up beating trump will need to do so with the help of ending country we know close quote in countries healthcare is dismal and that quote they know close quote more need redone trending country. Well we know that whatever or whoever I'd say whatever I just hope that these candidates don't follow traditional footsteps pass politicians who take but don't give back to innings country so well I'm GonNa be Pessimistically Optimistic Welcome to our twenty th we welcome running for president and it seems like he's doing that again this election season and that's good I want him to continue to do that young people have a why not only they haven't shaken up the bowl enough to see what floats to the top that's wall over the rods hundred Druze the Democrats is beyond me but right now his chances are looking pretty shaky so US twenty sixteen looks like it looks like a Fast Review Twenty sixteen is on its way race pantry Comanche Chief WanNa partner have read the day so how were hopeful Roosevelt wool in Oklahoma the same time well I have to be they'll choose somebody that they think might have a chance to unseat the the White House I know who might have the best chance button that's why remaining pessimistically optimistic to make them feel the most comfortable when they elect their nominee for the Democratic Party right now of the United States government and the nation as a whole Bernie Sanders seems to be aware stating this Joe Biden who for God only knows why they want to choose him as the standard bearer for the so we shall see if they do twenty sixteen again and make Joe Biden standard-bearer no matter what unquote please I'd like to hear a politicians recognize that we are several people's with distinct cultures languages ways of life etc which will result in another four years of the fool in the White House unfortunately or Dave made mentioned of why do politicians speak at us and I got that right away does that leave that's why I said they haven't shaken the bowl up quite enough yet to see who floats to the top I have a slightly different take but good oy input in terms of being made you will have a right to be part of the decision making all other assigned by federal pad by the late President Kinley the Commissioner Great Masters want matter whether the guys losing his mental acumen doesn't matter they don't care any election or anything to do with you know for the most part the dominant culture shall we say they do need to acknowledge us as distinct peoples as as he said but I think that also connects well Dan and now when I heard burning speak at Comanche Fair in we'll have linked how do we speak to our people right well especially if you're not native to the full the full release in the show notes our conversation when politicians speak at native peoples instead of with or to native peoples they look at us as well you know she brought up a very good point very valid point and that to me is part of what's missing from the entire but but we also know is that other non native candidates the passive also stated that quote they know close quote a single entity instead of parts of a whole therein lies one of the biggest problems back and they're not alone in that so if I have to put on politicians shoes a practicing and and and so so we'll see is disrupting chat in a she's reacting speech I'm going to tell you what you want to hear that was a pretty good Bernie because the Democratic primary in my opinion can't be trusted anymore and the Republicans can they're going to put up there who they want to took something I I reacted to sanders overall speech on only only played a piece of that is he wrote this being finicky but quote indigenous peoples our commitment sovereign nation by multiple trees it is the faith of the nations that the United States knows that mm now some of us don't I got friends in Mohawk country they're like no we they want no part of do we not one American citizens commission to be one you know they make policy and it affects everybody in Indian country no matter what host you live on instead of looking at the individual tribes having their own distinct individual problems their own distinct in like it anyway coffee Here we go this is a this is that you together about eight minutes we'll be back by vigil cultures their own distinct everything we are not a one size fits all people right sorry what marshalls was talking about so but but anyway we'll just have to do on that in the meantime we're GonNa do a music told the problem with that you're not only will you get a seat at the table you will par likely very true I'm GonNa speak on this a little bit later in the show but but yeah it a try to elaborate more uh-huh is that right I didn't slap me so I actually put to video together but you'll hear only the audio to what the travel chairman was saying don't we want to all track is Desch I think I said that correctly if not the against let me so wait a minute it was interesting awesome there there's a there is an approach that I think would work and you know I'll give some of it away now it tends to marry with Nick and I was inspired by artists that is he sent to me named I think yeah so this is about eight minutes of this artists and they'll be two tracks that are back to back the first tracks called Cruise Edina second did you say that way too many times all right this sounds positive right uh-huh yeah uh trees have been told to you that seems to be in my opinion one of the reasons that one of the reasons that podcasting came to be in China yeah go ahead Oh and you know that the news of the American Indian US record different approach I found out stucco left Assan politics they must again oh you I dot com will we dot com there you go crooked cool Eric thank you having to do with music dance and martial arts and find out more about him at his website please do so Aka w in the community you're done through the brand the brand uses traditional indigenous textiles from South End North America in modern designs with the aim of unifying all people through fashion a portion of all proceeds from the clothing line directly fund youth driven projects in North and South 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Opinions Ninety Day One group of people has learned how to navigate through daily life and survive while the other group yeah good luck yeah definitely appreciate that appreciate that so much aren't you guys once again yeah because it's our job lynchings when they occurred in their era it's something those children are accustomed to the disparities are as different his I'm Indian Leeann heritage have expired uglies unique musical blend as you just heard their verve and music days of summer and the portion that comes from the author's I'll get to in a moment those same children of color their children's scrambling out of windows and a frantic effort to escape now this is a white lynch mob that set fire to a church the mob which was out to avenge the killing of two white law enforcement officers with Lynch at least three Blackman and how can we a singer songwriter of Chilean in seasons of racial violence in American history from Elaine Arkansas to Chicago to Washington hundreds of black Millen Georgia was among the first in a series of clashes across the country and one of the bloodiest yet largely forgotten are also accustomed to the same uncomfortable dangerous behaviors racism conversely most children of white families live with the same it's been hidden but it still portrayed by behaviors in the twenty first century John writes a century ago white allows you know those who may experience these changes to move forward in a more positive light but the history is hidden this nation has some very dark stains on its fabric and the nation would rather hide those stains that had that were born here in the US came from Africa on this land just north of Mellon Georgia sending hundreds of black parents instead of trying to prevent any further staining with human lives to bring us into a slightly people died in more than two dozen separate incidents during what is now known as the red summer awesome racism excuse me but those behaviors denigrating people of color treating people of color like items instead of human beings the racial violence across the US a century of nickel in an article written for the New York Times by John Elegant the author of the article presents a part of American history Lynch mob set fire to an and I hate this term African American church because no people of color okay now it may be a little easier to understand why the behaviors of racism still exists in the twenty first century liked and this comes to us by Jonathan L. e. gone and Audra Birch aches they're racist behaviors and stride to learn teach and conduct those behaviors in a manner as natural as drawing in a breath of air went to grow up in the South Eastern portions of the US children of color are accustomed to the sweltering heat of Hot Humid Bucks the owner uh you know with standard church the scene but made of birchbark really really interesting in shame sales including a thirteen year old and leave the cars Walbro Baptist church in an ashy heap the attack and positive note and report from the local ABC affiliate WJ which covers Mellon Georgia there's conflict in conflict assumes two parties involved that that they chose to burn it down why you know these aren't these aren't just happenstance words these these words and phrases are are practiced and again you know no coupled the lady uses the word racial the trays racial conflict next the pointed a sad but necessary job yes yes it is brother please lead us off story from local reporter Devon Johnson discusses the very site where the cars will grow Baptist Church and melon once stood and a remembrance ceremony it took place in April of two thousand eighteen and we have a clip for that dozens of people feel crosswell Grove Baptist Church and Jenkins was responsible you know there was no no evidence that I know of in the article that stated that you know these three people hanged murdered those those police officers so you're gonNA Lynch a thirteen year old kid coming his family members are happy because the visitors will learn about his ancestors my full fatherless grandfather as well as his three sons read the riot in nineteen nineteen the racial conflict that was an element of the application that really brought this location to not just a local significance but a national significance responsibility a couple ability these practice behaviors as well yep stood on the marker happened almost one hundred years ago because he goes to Church second-rate about the congregation in the building itself well fortunately the building's not there and pictures of the original building and it was really unique in many ways that the best way I can describe it since this is audio think of yeah I hear that I hear that but there you go another perfect example ability of the end of the people you know accused of of Lynching not whole community digital media company called heavy she has worked on several productions including rescue me the Americans private practice end medium and as you might have guessed that video has been shared over eleven thousand times on facebook local TV station KTLA county to show dedication to a national marker those who spoke at the event tells us someone set the church on fire in nineteen nineteen and two thousand fourteen Butler says the Vince a apparently interviewed a neighbor of Patton who he and his mother have restraining orders against her and her husband the neighbor so help unveiled the marker says the Georgia Historical Society Pig Gecas County after learning about this struggle background of the church the red summer event occurred here racial slurs things like go back to your country this is not a place for you close quote so you know these these these code words that are used to absolve one's group or so strong wonderful display of a human him Royd was identified as forty nine year old Heather Lynn Patton a TV and movie costume designer according to the this marker reminds us of that building reminds us have the events that happened right here community members as a special day for healing for the area because the first other neighbor went on to say also that they had to install security cameras after patent vandalized his truck and that Patton made a threat to slit this particular neighbors mother's throat she sounds like such a lovely person lovely gets absolutely correct I I when one group of people is being Lynch there's there's no conflict right exactly there's only perturbation we're who is of Italian descent apparently stated that he accused the couple of threatening salting his family to evade couple ability and responsibility well let's same individual and it's just amazing that you know she commits these behaviors but then she gets caught and this is her apology mm-hmm yeah it gets worse it gets worse remember what I mentioned statements me to rekindle the love we shall all share amongst each other sorry sorry I hope the world knows we San regrettably an and gratefully regretted them later in life in quote patent said quoting again I as a human made the choice to say I have lost my job which I totally would agree on as well for the reasons I have been that go and this is a quote she said please allow quoting the neighborhood from that article which is by the Atlanta Black Star He said they were yelling inching happening with a marker stands the market comes in in time for the anniversary of the First Church Burning Deacon Palmer Lewis whose family built a church for generations ago says he Taylor believes this will attract people to the site which we known as heritage tourism in Jenkins County Devon Johnson WWF new channel six in that piece they were showing they didn't ex- forgiveness and apologize apologize for Lang designed to kill the N. words Ns because what I did is a human was very inhumane disgusting an quote now Fair uh-huh well too late number two you can't have Bonian friends who need to hear this good Ashtec there you go that's pretty much it because now that this was nobody's going to hire her in that industry trust me now and she had a lucrative lucrative position it yeah she's doing drugs or something he's loving happiness when you're screaming at the top of your lungs and word and word and work yeah not buying the the other one go ahead you lead the way on this one brother of current audio speaker itself here the in designing costumes for TV and movies Yep you're done good job done 'cause you listen to your ear you're you know everybody's human yes okay everybody makes mistakes yes everybody has said something that they wish they hadn't said yes okay but this is some words that I should should have never let Kubota my mouth quoting again I will no longer represents America's values or individuals who contributed to the misery deaths and genocide thousands upon thousands of indigenous people posted it should be absolutely a new medium and also a Hashtag which is sorry because caught these these less than contrite apologies now learned it and what she said was an almost steak right she which she said yeah absolutely so it is extremely difficult to go to a major our goto majority excuse me a major cities or towns in America yes no she sorry that she got caught a exactly and it costs to her job that's what Jim Sorry Anna career quite frankly yeah that is also the case in the nation's capital what is not often visible a statute without seeing a statue a plaque street name or some type of monument to commemorate a work ramble a president who read it dot com republished from the Washington Post Dot Com and a don't remember sent us this article brother but whoever it was thank you he was worried that if his bones or not buried with his ancestors then he would be alone in the afterlife according to biographer St built that church realm the Gothic sal after it was destroyed in nineteen thousand nine hundred ninety Georgia state Senator Jesse stone served as guest speaker in sorry sorry sorry but GonNa Change Our brothers who've been onto our main contents and I quote chief standing bear was just wanted to bury his son at home teenager on his deathbed told his dad urban Dando Collins so in September I'm sorry in January eighteen seventy nine standing oh for a mind will be the same color is yours the same God made us both I am a man in quote well leaving the US did not consider native human during the case bring his son's remains home to be buried with his ancestors you know you now she's got it now try about it after going because my mouth the court proceedings and I quote the US attorney argued that standing bear was neither a citizen nor a person and this this act so there was a human humanist as judge it would appear because the judge agreed ruling for the first time in us his really went to court and he had to fight to take his son's remains home to be buried with his ancestors I quote again the US Attorney General View you an excerpt reads and I'm going to take some passages passages excuse me from the article and we can comment on them later brother if you want uh and it's got nothing remotely related to bees and what they produce right I mean you know it's one all of this will be in the show notes in in in in the link will provide despite the landmark decision from the judge his opinion still you're left Oklahoma's Indian territory for Nebraska with his child's remains in quote if people have a difficult time if I pierce it I shall feel pain if you pierce your hand you also feel pain the blood that will that standing bear was neither a citizen nor a person and the such did not have standing to sue the government all made mistakes and we're supposed to bring life I'm sorry sorry say that again go ahead I stepped on you I hope the world knows that we all made mistakes drips with prejudice calling native Americans a week significant unlettered and generally despised race so he raised his right hand and through an interpreter sad and I quote my hand is not the color of yours trade that quote the end game is a person and quote and has all the rights and freedoms promised in the constitution the judge on mentioned as Crook he was army general sent to round up this group of people who wanted to take the chief son's remains back home excuse me to be a particular interest and some knowledge I did not know about a few decades later in nineteen thirty on the second day of that trial chief standing bear was called to testify becoming the first native American to do so if I could only read that too many times yeah well sorry seven the state of Nebraska sent to statues to the US Capitol each state is allowed to pick two historical figures to represent them and now it's also ordered Cook Two free standing there in his people immediately and little a crook I'm sorry Little information on the gentle put him back in the honey pot you pull motto been those that no one honeypot is will know exactly what I mean and mining amounts of people of color especially native people and this case native civil rights figure an article he just blew his they the humanist Monica gave him right out the window I found in the section I found the section take off National Statutory Hall and Nebraska Chose Politicians William Jennings Bryan Ann Arbor Day founder Julius Sterling Morton this provision is also why there are at least eight statues of confederates in the capital they let you know later bye thank you back in that direction as well really yes but anyway I don't care because of your truth the American history well here's the thing I get a little more research and there is literally nations ceremony for the induction of Chief Statue and Governor Pete Ricketts said that and I quote Memorial yes same kind of thing which if there was enough doesn't matter to me there you go sounded suits in recent years Nebraska lawmakers voted to replace both statues Brian was replaced by chief standing bear I'll site that list the statutory donations by state and it's this at the Capitol Dot Cov- One of the most important civil rights leader in our country that almost nobody knows about is going to be inducted today and we hope very cool okay we will definitely look for that but you're right how long's IT GONNA take somebody's whining about were there was such type of reaction when they were when they started the construction on the ongoing he's soon morton will be replaced by a statue of author Wilma Cather and she was the American novelist noted for trails of the settlers and frontier life of the American planes and they held a dentist so I'll just I'll just leave it at that same type of people say that I don't love my country anyway if you check out our podcast anyway listen to at least five episodes at least five to get a better understanding of having trouble today don't problem brother Yeah I mean the first thing I thought about of course was okay to be able to correct that today until his story in quote and again there'll be an article included with Lincoln colluded with this article man our position on the trump administration so You know hopefully some folks will all this guy you know why is he in there and why are you taking out so and so you're just a matter of time affords last sites Blah Blah Blah Blah Lincoln's in the show notes which you can actually go on that site and see which states donated which statutes say bad blasphemy were so anti-american here on the show apparently gotten some feed I won't I won't mention it it's kind of like I don't care but put the adult version on it yes are people going to start complaining of the changes made right that these statues were going to be erected right to to closure for some families we wouldn't define it necessarily is happiness but simply enter are returned to the Oneida reservation and a community heels the author on this was Charles Fox as you say Around the areas of families that are in continuous morning relevant to missing murder indigenous women right there looking foreclosure they're looking for their lost relatives the best outcome of course is that person has returned home Talking about the act of indigenous people being returned home for proper ceremonies and reburial in their their own homelands the before that and the title of this Article States follows the bodies of three young native American girls these are clearly people that haven't listened to more than one episode Oh and so I always that's what I always record I recommend this to people news on this on this show so what can I e yeah some people must realize that I use the acronym doc they really should have went next to the president's had Rushmore blasphemy couple of the matter there and well you know we we've had other people David I have to deal with sadly relevant to by mainstream news media who apparently I have a bone to pick with this week defined borders of this country we speak of places such as the Carlisle Indian School which is the subject of this particular moving on here this is an article that came out of the let's say inquirer dot com article in the inquirer dot com and In which Charles Fox the author chose to focus on is in was located in Carlisle Pennsylvania commonly referred to as the Carlisle Indian school we use it in the with respect to indigenous peoples from within the now so I sort of sat up and took notice when I when I read this this particular Article but what federal government Carlisle was the first federally funded off reservation Indian Boarding School in the United States have a a second thought it may even second look at the show but if they don't that that's fine that's their decision so it is absolutely all right that was issued and maybe even invented by a guy by the name of General Richard Henry Pratt a brigadier the quote Indian Industrial School close quote which is really what it was it's actual title what we try to convey on the show from time to time is that sometimes the events from America's tragic past can be brought on a good guy so from the article Charles Fox dates now Pratt is also most likely to some degree the father of racism in the United States the following and quoting three teenage girls died while attending Carlisle Jemima men toxin but in other times the generational hurt goes back many many years centuries it was operated from eighteen seventy nine through nineteen eighteen and was endorsed by the federal government. Now why do I say endorsed on this show if we're speaking about quote an amusing quotes a mirror so we'll call it ethnic minorities now he firmly believe that all ethnicities should be assimilated into white culture as he used the word in one thousand nine hundred to describe quote racial segregation and quote an act died of tuberculosis and Australia palace of pneumonia Fox continues use some emptiness wondering perhaps a softening to sadness maybe you know this is the type of thing we always attacked so Tissa toe to some degree what am I referring to I'm I'm talking about repatriation Yeah Okay that that type of thing alley yeah it it's matter of trying to understand you know a little words Carlisle Indian school and other similar boarding schools that followed represented an attempt by the United States government to assimilate indigenous language English which is foreign to you and your told at that time that this is now your if you put it in this context like modern day grants that are issued today by the federal and of course state governments but will stay focused on the imagine a situation of strangers walking into your parents home unannounced and uninvited and then they simply take you away and you have no idea why right now why might this happen because of a government made up of men who were not from anywhere near your home made the decision that you would be better off living in where the hosts physicians are on things but most people don't they listen to one they're like blasphemy there now further imagine being physically punished severely because you simply don't understand how to do something for the first time his tragic past and quote in the reason I place that in quotes so to speak is a term used quite frequently

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"Hello and welcome to the daily beans for Tuesday January seventh two thousand twenty today. John Bolton agrees to testify in the Senate. Tensions ratchet up in the Middle East is trump threatens cultural sites trump helped Sulejmani avoid sanctions. We have an update on Venezuela. We could see more manafort documents. And as Weinstein's trial begins. He's slept with new rape charges and Iran backs out of the nuclear deal. I'm your host Jian with me today as Amanda Reader. Hello what a day. What a day? It's only Tuesday well. It's Monday but it's Tuesday for are you all. Yeah so first day back from the break yeah And it's already batch it it's it is bad shit. I went back to the Jim. MM-HMM Again in boy are my arms tired. It's all I have to say but IT'S A it's a back in full swing and not just in our personal lives. The news was lit today. Yes also my hands are really stiff from on the sugar. I've been eating all the holidays. Old Lady thing I've ever seen in my life but in my entire body is stiff from the sheer amount of holiday cookies eight but I don't regret a single thing will. Cookies were delicious. They had them so hats off to the chef. We do have a couple of corrections from yesterday. Apparently only a fifth of Canadians are francophones claim French as their mother tongue. Oh Okay and and then when we spoke about the movie bombshell l.. I want everyone to know. I do not support anyone being harassed or sexually harassed to be regardless of their politics or anything. I was only like I don't WanNa see it because I I have an issue with viewing Fox News anchors feminist heroes. That right it. I wasn't trying to say like they deserve to get the harass no absolutely one hundred percent not no one deserves that. It doesn't matter who you are what you believe what your thoughts are. If you're a Nazi you shouldn't sexually harassed agree with that statement. Yes simple statement right but I. I wanted to clarify that because I get like a note like one note where they were like. Hey just WanNa make sure and I'm like no you're right if I wasn't clear I wanted to make a clear so there has me clarifying it without out of the way we might have some news to to get too little. So let's dot notes pot notes. So yes the news is out of control especially as tensions are mounting in the Middle East since we recorded yesterday. Eight million things have happened happened First of all trump is threatened to destroy Iranian cultural sites which is a violation of a nineteen fifty four international agreement. That makes it a war. Crime to deliberately attack a cultural site and and then domestically congress also made it a domestic crime to violate that international law despite that trump is doubling down now on his this tweet where he threatened those sites despite many Republicans taking issue with that And no one not even Kelly enter. POMPEO was willing to support the targeting of cultural sites there. It seems sort of weasel out of this on the talk. Shows is kind of scary. You know them saying no. He was just saying that He's he didn't say he was going to attack. How cultures is what he was saying? Is that if they can do this. We should be able to do that. Like hypothetically speaking he was just bring up the point that it's just not fair and and then of course Pompeo you know would also not he wouldn't cross that line either he would say that. Whatever trump does we'll be in compliance with international and domestic laws ause? It's it's hard to to see people like Mike Pompeo and Mark Casper and People coming out and trying to defend him for this. When when you look at the video of what's happening in Iran right now the giant crowds of people flooding into the streets for these funerals? These protests and you think the trump is putting us in danger minute by minute. He traveled quite a bit in. Just a second. Yeah just a second. Just put separately much like he did when he withdrew troops from Syria and abandoned our Kurdish allies all of that diplomacy. All of that time spent two to stabilize the region. Just gone in an instant And I and this is true in this case too because Iran was sort of Back on their heels the government was because there were protests up until last week of Iranians with people protesting their own government the corruption in their own government. And now Bam they're all unified again. Yes a unifier. Yeah this sort of thing and You know not that anything was taken into consideration. But certainly that wasn't no absolutely not and now in response to trump's assassination of Sulejmani and his refusal to brief or include Congress on his plans or or the attack. Nancy Pelosi is introduced legislation and says the House will vote on the war powers resolution. That would limit the president's military actions regarding Iran Congress holds the sole power of declaring war. They have the war powers under article. One section eight constitution I though I've had some trump Supporters Arguing with me on social media that trump holds soul powers of of war. That is not the case. Yeah he does. He have any veto abilities in that. What arena there's a couple of things that are happening in the background legally that That could give him the ability to strike but to declare war and start ward. No that is Zoli Zoli Congress And Pelosi writes quote last week. The trump administration conducted a provocative and disproportionate military airstrike targeting high level Iranian military officials. This action endangered our servicemembers diplomats and others by risking serious escalation of tensions with Iran. We are concerned that the administration took this action without the consultation of Congress and without respect respect for Congress's war powers granted to it by the constitution so this legislation would basically force Republicans to vote on the matter requiring. Put their names down in favor of the president's ability ability to circumvent the legislative branch when conducting foreign military action trump then tweeted he would be informing Congress via tweet about future military action And when asked about a plan trump replied he doesn't need any exit strategies. He says I don't need any exit strategies so that's interesting so prior to this strategy Iran had been like I said protesting its own government and corruption But now they've come together the unified and it has raised any and all diplomatic progress that has been made in the region and we also found out that the Pentagon only offered the option of assassinating Sulejmani as a third sort of insane option Figuring trump would opt for a more diplomatic and reasonable label course but of course trump opted for that. I'm not sure why the Pentagon even offered it as an option. If they didn't want him to take it they should stop doing that. Yeah I'd be curious to know how that was is presented in who presented it and why it was on the table considering two former presidents had decided that this person was better off alive why it was even an option. But this has happened before. What'll happen is when you're presenting something trump? They'll throw in some crazy auction to steer him toward more reasonable stuff Well here he picked the crazy one. Reverse psychology doesn't work so well you know and then aside from that we of course know from previous reporting on our sister podcast Muller. She wrote that. Trump tower in Azerbaijan was a corrupt operation engineered by oligarchs tied to Iran's Revolutionary Guard and trump more specifically is varga worked with the Azerbaijani entities. Which helped Sulamani avoid? US US sanctions which trump or the trump organization admitted. They knew Knew about and that they knew money was being laundered For Sulamani in two thousand fifteen through that hotel l. and kept working with them anyways until after the election in two thousand sixteen so he's actually sheltered Sulamani in the past from from having to face sanctions so he could get a tower built under on. Wow I okay the other thing about this is you could see. I know. My brain is just exploding. Tiny explosions explosion happening I the thing that's also. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. Not that I not that I believe him anyway because he gassed us so much in lies to us so much but I try. I did dig for kernel of reason truth to my detriment. Probably in figuring out why this happened and there it's really inconsistent in terms of why it needed to happen now and the way it did. There's been nothing. Concrete offered as to why it happened right now and the way the din. Yes I use anything to that effect. I First of all Washington Post The killing of Sulejmani follows along push from POMPEII. Oh for aggressive action against Iran officials have said. The POMPEO and pence spoke to trump several all times every day last week eventually leading trump to order the assassination Apparently Peyot had similar talks with trump last summer when trump declined to retaliate against Iran. After it down the US drone that shot over shot out of the sky And not left Pompeo like sad faced advice but but with recent changes to to trump's national security team and the vulnerability of trump because of impeachment pompeo saw an opening depressed for the action this is according to Washington Post when pressed about Iran's threat to US targets and troops pompeo called that white noise and brushed it off as unimportant meaning the killing of US troops is just. It's going to happen. You gotta break a few eggs. White noise white noise and a- As we know the justification for the strike. which is what you're talking about was that there was an imminent terrorist threat Specifically from Sola Mani on US troops and targets but we have learned since then since yesterday that the chief of the Department of Homeland Security of said there is no specific credible threat from Iran Though this this morning the Pentagon chief of staff to mark Esper- Eric Tuning has said he's going to step down at the end of the month. Shooting was featured in the recently released trove of unredacted emails that show Pentagon gone officials concerns with the legality of the White House. Move the summer to hold up military aid White House being trump and the legality meaning. It's against the Impoundment Control Act. So his name was all over those documents so I don't know his resignation has to do with that with this or both but this is the fifth top Pentagon official to resign in unless seven days. almost ten I think in the last month or two And now Iran has announced. They're shifting on the landmark nuclear deal saying they will have no limitations on enriching uranium Liam after Iraqis. Iraq's parliament voted to expel American troops Iran says it will no longer be abiding by the commitment made under the twenty fifteen nuclear deal saying quote the Islamic Republic. Look around will end its final limitations in the nuclear deal meaning the limitation of the number of centrifuges. So they're gonNA start enriching uranium again. Yeah I mean I wouldn't be playing nicely with America right now either. Yeah and back. In February I think the Ayatollah Khomeini had said. We aren't mad at the American people were mad at trump trump That article seems to be going around again. I haven't heard anything more recent to that effect So be careful when you when you see that Out Make sure you check the date on the article. I'm very guilty of not checking dates on articles. Do it all the time I'll be like. Oh my God look Manafort lied and they're like ag that's from two thousand seventeen. Yeah I totally do the same thing. Well that's because you see a headline that speaks to you and you think Oh. Thank God yes yeah. This is so important yet anyway. Okay so I haven't heard anything the thing if you have hit us up daily pod on twitter at moisture on twitter if you've heard anything from the ayatollah or from the Iraqi or Ronnie Prime Minister saying that they are format trump not the American people but they have said that they're gonNA go after. US troops and assets in the region and in other in other areas. That's they're going to be the retaliation all right. 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This is interesting yesterday when Iraq voted to expel bell. US troops in parliament. The Iraqi Prime Minister gave a speech saying quote. I express my condolences to everyone. For the loss of martyr martyrs. As a result of the sinful aggression Abu Madi Alma Honda's played a major role in controlling the PM. You forces and put them under control of the state he also said the. US told told them that some of the attacks against headquarters in recent months were conducted by Israel trump just told him that and the government refused to give any cover for the protests around the Baghdadi Doc Daddy Embassy and the prime minister threaten to leave his position if they didn't retreat so they did retreat so he didn't leave his position and then he said he received a phone call from trump when the embassy protests ended thanking the Iraqi government efforts and asked Iraq to play a mediator role between the US and Iran. But at the same time he says the American helicopters krizan drones were flying without approval over Iraq and they refused the request of adding soldiers to the US embassy in US bases and prime minister then said he was supposed to meet sold all the money in the morning on the day. He was killed And that he came to deliver a message from Iran responding to the message Iraq delivered from Saudi to Iran. So this raises the question as to whether this was a setup that trump asked the Iraqi prime minister to mediate diplomacy between the Saudis Iran then targeted Sulejmani. The Messenger on his way to deliver that. Message keep in mind. I have no other source. Besides the Iraqi Prime Minister's account on this but I think it's worth investigating because if trump lured Sulejmani due to his death under a flag of truce. I think that's something worth knowing. I guess it's not illegal of just slimy. Yeah a lot of might say pretty tricky. Pretty sneaky says yeah and and there were like what a great way to get him. But I don't know if that's holy legal or something that you would do A- and it's not like his whereabouts. His he wasn't like trying to find Bin Laden. It wasn't like trying to you know this is or Baghdadi. This is different We've always known where this guy was. He's not he's not a hard gotta find a Pinole like you said he's his location has been known for a long time yet. Everyone everyone left him alone because the he was he was more dangerous as a martyr than he was as a as a living. It's tough because trump has not only eroded like domestic political norms but he's eroded international political political norms in terms of how we operate you know in conflict abroad and I can imagine this is not something. A previous administration would have done but if he was like with the Saudis saying Hey Saudi in Iran and Egypt Ah miliver this message from the Saudis to Iran's solemn Solani you do it and then got him yeah and then interestingly NBC In busy is coming to visit the United States. Is that coming up. Yeah so and I and of course we know trump spoke to Putin. Just I think twenty four hours before this happened interesting so these things don't happen in a vacuum and of course Pompeii was pushing shing it. So that's what I think. Nancy Pelosi is looking for when she saying we need transparency as to how this came about what the motives were for it was there an imminent threat because Department Department of Homeland Security. Saying there's not exactly and and and what is this what caused this and I am this guy is so transactional and so unreliable than I. I'm feeling one hundred percent. It was for his own personal benefit. There's no transparency in what the imminent threat was no. Yeah that's the frustrating part. Although trump is at might release might declassify that M- yeah okay. That's your favorite things declassifying as we all know just classified the second call just like we heard about the the other call with Putin no with Warren was I Dunno shoes and they played an interview from her on the campaign trail. I heard earlier today and she was saying the same thing. Essentially like doc I it wasn't there's an imminent threat and then there was a possible threat and it was happening like going to be happening now but actually another account said that it wasn't happening now and like there's no consistency on the messaging. About what the threat actually was. And it's like I said earlier episode. It's so frustrating But I'm why we carry us. What comes out in terms of the motivation behind this? I think that you are beans. Will lead us in an interesting direction. It should be interesting getting And now of course we have. This letter is draft letter. That was circulating that somebody came out and said Oh my God. Look we are withdrawing our troops from Iraq not Iran and This is after Iraq. Obviously there parliament voted to expel our troops from their country and there was a letter going around from the United States. Saying all right. We're GONNA move. We're GONNA move them out out and wasn't signed or anything and then it came out I think Milly General Milley was like That's that's a mistake. That's a draft and it's a mistake steaks and we don't know if it was if the if the letter was what was in the letter mistakes. Yeah and we don't know what was in the letter was a mistake or if it was a mistake that it got out or the The position that they were going to move troops out of Iraq was a mistake We don't know but that that got out and it was floating around. What was the content of other media? It was basically. We're you know we're we're going to remove our troops from Iraq. And then they then they said No. No no no no. WE'RE NOT WE'RE GONNA. We're GONNA relocate relocate some within the country you know trump's like we're not backing down. You can't make us leave on on your terms. We leave on her own terms. You can't you can't fire me. I quit But you know then this letter gets out unsigned from Pentagon and and and this is the level of competence in this administration. That these things are. They're just out there. Floating around and people are getting a hold of them and publishing them on the interwebs. Just frightening if they can't handle that not like I don't even understand how they can handle what's about to come. Yeah absolutely you know what else to I in. You can speak to the experience of veterans terrance. Obviously such a much more than I can but I was listening to some veterans On a radio show on the way over today and he was saying that you know a he lost so many friends in Iraq and Afghanistan and he has seen nothing but warned his adult life endless war and this is more you no. She's Tulsi Gabbard language regime change war and it's we're just gonNA spend trillions more dollars lose so many more lives and no one ever asks the cost of war but we ask how we're going to pay for healthcare yet of great. Yeah it's just an even even more pointed is they. Don't ask about the cost of healthcare. Even for veterans know that come out of that yes so that's also interesting ones like how are we going to pay for this is. You're going to have to you know ah add to the. Va Budget now. Nobody asks about healthcare even about the veterans who are involved in it and it's actually so enraging for me and to to see the way that veterans are not listened to it all when it comes to this sort of thing we're only listening to the opinions of extremely wealthy people whose children will be affected by this. Yeah in one hundred and fifty years not one. Single goal members of the trump family has served in the military patriotic Definitely and moving on from the Middle East we have some manafort news. The gift that keeps on giving. He's the herpes of the Mueller investigation. According to federal prosecutors they are ready to make public. More details about MANAFORT's is lies to Muller's team during the Russia probe from Caitlyn Poland's at CNN The prosecutors told a federal judge on Sunday on Sunday that they They are nearly nearly ready to unseat. A modest must've filing but they're nearly ready an unsealed details from previously secret court proceedings about how the former trump campaign chairman blew up his cooperation agreement by lying to the government including efforts to sway trump's approach to Ukraine That right there tells me that Moeller probe is the Ukraine probe We knew that manafort led the charge to soften the lethal language regarding Ukraine during the RMC Under the guise of a Ukraine peace plan and unsealing these details details could fill some gaps about manafort's connections to the White House and what Russia and Ukraine wanted from trump after he took office We know from the mole report already. That manafort lied about discussions with Kalinic about about the peace plan quote unquote that would basically provide a back doorway for Russia to control. Part of Ukraine I don't know if Thames in the house will go to the lengths necessary to connect these is to scandals into one through manafort. Manafort is the key. He's a linchpin and we're about to learn just how connected. Trump's treatment of Ukraine as to what Russia wanted as executed by Manafort. It's pretty crazy. So so as it becomes clear they can produce new articles of doesn't matter. Obviously who gives a shit but like they could. Oh sure sure. Yeah yeah it it shift has said that we there could be a third article of impeachment impeachment to electric blue episode yesterday Who and and you know we have all sorts of things coming out today? with Bolton. We're GONNA get into that later about that's changing. I just said yesterday. Like what the Hell's going on with bulletin today like Happy New Year A- and This weekend I talked about Eric. Prints and Giuliani and their ties to Venezuela and how Prince had been referred to the Treasury Department for violating adding sanctions by trying to do business with Maduro in Venezuela not to mention Giuliani doing the same thing in Venezuela he did in Ukraine which tried to open up business opportunities in their oil industry three oil and gas industry. I had asked about the status of alone against the Venezuelan company. CITGO Because we knew that unless Steve Mnuchin and the US Treasury injury intervened CITGO would be handed over to Russia as a defaulted loan payment Will a listener found an article from October turns out. Steve did intervene gene To stop that from happening but only as a stopgap measure he put the whole he put the default on hold for ninety days and prevented CITGO from being handed over to Russia. Just ninety days though that hold is set to expire fire in the next month so we will see what happens with that. We're GONNA stay on top of that story for you. Thanks to that listener for sending me that update But yeah we'll be right back with the big news about Bolton and what it could mean for the impeachment of Donald Trump says stick around everybody it's ag in this portion of the daily beans is brought to you by route insurance. I'm a good driver. He's maternal signals where they are check blindspot a rarely have a road rage. Meltdown rarely but what does get me mad is overpaying for car insurance. And I'm done with that because I have found the ideal inexpensive insurance company for me. It's called route insurance and instead of basing your car insurance rates on credit scores or age or gender zip code. They base rates primarily on. 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We'll do another article and include the Bolton testimony in it but it is the same crime it is the same issue Bolton is just a a testimony that the trump refused to allow and he refused to do it so I don't think he can be trusted And then of course. What about moving and Robert Blair and Duffy And if the House let's say the house does subpoena him because a lot of people are like well. What's stopping the house from him? If he says he would go for a Senate subpoena. What stopping the house from subpoenaing at Rada good point but if the house subpoenas him he would probably file with the court? The court would eventually decide. Yeah Hey if you said you'd just to the Senate you've got to justify the house But that could take months. Yes yes to get through the courts and we just like did our level best to dismiss the Kupperman suit from the house. Kupperman is is Bolton's number number two because I asked you know because the Congress subpoenaed him house house until a subpoena and then trump said no. You can't so he went to the third branch of the government to get a tiebreaker. And the the house dams wanted to dismiss that because one of the Republican excuses for not having these witnesses come and testify. That it's being litigated gated in the courts. So I'm afraid of the House subpoenaed Bolton then he would file and the courts and then they would have that excuse back now. It's been litigated in the courts. I can't do it until the courts decide. It's really frustrating. Because I don't understand why he's on voluntarily testifying to the house because he's an asshole the obvious answer but I. I actually didn't know this specific detail before you just told me that. He said he needed to be subpoenaed by the Senate. I thought he was willingly. Testifying to the Senate as in like hey asked me now. I'll testify in the Senate trial if they subpoena me right and now Mitt Romney has come out and said I said I would really like to hear from John Bolton and of course Maharaja said. Would you a vote for a subpoena. And he wouldn't say he would vote for a subpoena and he just said you know what. Hey I just really want to hear from John Bolton so don't trust that White Horse Prophecy Probably learned you. Burn me eight hundred times. Eighty one I'm going to catch on But but here's an interesting thought to the house could subpoena Bolton after the mcgann decision comes out of the Supreme Court as we know they just. I heard arguments in the mcgann case in the appeals court in DC We don't have a decision on that three to six weeks. Then there would probably be a temporary administrative eight of stay issued by Chief Justice John Roberts it's time and then there would be a trump would Put in for a writ of Sirte And then of course it would be heard probably tape roll decision in June July. So if we do get him again. So if Bolton doesn't testify between now and July we're still holding onto those articles maybe then the house can subpoena Bolton after we get them again. Decision provided it goes for you know in favor of the house downs which nine nine point nine percent sure it will But again you know. Don't put anything past anybody but there's still some wiggle room here for the Senate to say. Okay yes we will have jumbled testify as a means of negotiating with Nancy on article sent over. I mean that being said Lindsey Graham also oh come out and said we'll go to create new rules. That's the other thing and the second but you know this. Also could this Bolton saying I'm willing to estimate could give Nancy and offramp if she wanted if she wanted to get off the withholding the articles highway This would give her an off ramp like a runaway truck ramp to to be like oh a bulletin. said he was gonNA testify. I don't see this as just him saying and he would do it with a subpoena is enough. I think she's going to need in writing in the rules that they're willing to call witnesses Prior to Them beginning the trial prior to her. Sending you know Appointing house managers and impeachment managers and sending the articles over. I don't know if she'll use this offramp she hasn't yet yet true. I am also. It's it seems to be. We seem to be deepening. The divide here though in terms of like how things should move forward Listening to Lindsey Graham on the news today talking about how. Nancy doesn't send the articles over. You know toot sweet essentially They're just GONNA vote a new rules and they're gonNA start the process in the Senate without the articles. Yeah good luck with that right. That's a little outrageous right well just in yea about a dozen. Republican senators have introduced a resolution to change the Senate rules to dismiss the impeachment without getting the articles dismissed the impeachment not acquit the resolution would give the house twenty five days to send the articles over And if they don't us one senator could submit a motion to dismiss the case with prejudice for failure failure by the house to prosecute such articles. And this is laughable. It's hilarious and it's ridiculous because you can't dismiss a political process with prejudice. That's a criminal case. This this is a political case and it bothers me when people say you know Nancy's getting political on impeachment impeachment is a political thing. It's a political joint. Yeah absolutely the entire process is political so you know. Oh you're playing politics impeachment. Well that's because it's it's a political endeavor but if this route resolution passes which it I seriously doubt it will because it will need sixty seven votes to pass and less. Mitch goes nuclear nuclear. Well I'll repeat it unless Mitch goes nuclear which means only a simple majority would be needed to pass this resolution but going nuclear means that forever that would require a simple majority and I don't think he's going to do that Because a de majority Jordan Senate could still try the articles in twenty twenty one so imagine that if they went nuclear and made it only by a simple resolution to convict on impeachment or to make any impeachment vote that means is that if we won the Senate when we win the Senate skews me in twenty twenty and and he's not impeached yet. If we have a simple majority we can convict and remove him. You you change the rules to suit you. Those are the rules now. Bet So he. He isn't going to go nuclear and I don't think he can get sixty seven votes but I think they just want to you know these there. I think it's Twelve Wilson. They just want to look like assholes. I guess look manly. It's just so dumb like who do this girl. NOPE and Yeah no I mean that being said I am I she does eventually she will eventually send them you. Do you think right who knows. This is the great question. This is the big question I don't know it depends I mean there are people who say say that the Republicans in the Senate will never vote to convict. This trial will never be fair. And if the trial is never fair I don't think the articles those will ever be sent Now we have Bolton now we've got saying he would if he had a subpoena and we've got Mitt Romney saying I want to hear from him. Maybe the dams is cracking a little bit. But you're going to need a lot more than just like a Senator Collins saying I'm disturbed by this And you know Mitt Romney Who's white horse has been parked out front for three years now? Just you're gonNA need more than them just saying. I'm interested in that they're going to need it in writing before the trial starts that they're willing to to call witnesses Or they're going to need guarantees from at least four senators Republican senators to vote to have witnesses called. But I don't think because they've said Ed like Mitt Romney has said I want to hear from witnesses but and McConnell's like want want to put that in writing before the trial starts. I don't think that the that she's going to go for that. Yeah they can argue all they want that that this is You know against the processor. Whatever but this is it is? It is houses sole power of impeachment. They have the sole power of impeachment. They have the sole power to to recommend the managers. They are in charge of of this pony until it goes to the Senate and they can like I said whine and cry all they want. Blow the rules up. Try to go nuclear. But then we'll just remove him convict him removing 2021 if he's still president and you don't want that And you know or you could say we just want to dismiss it. We're just going to go forward. That would that would look so bad to just be like handed over to us so we can throw it the trash please. I mean that just is so bad. It's ridiculous I also it's it's it's really insane to me that all of these Republican senators live in the same reality that I do or at least I think that they do whatever simulation Marin and they They're not there aren't enough of them to. I agree to at least hold a fair trial. Even if you're thinking I'm not going to vote to convict him in the end the fact that we don't even have enough Republicans who are willing to have a fair trial is really terrifying. There's one hundred percent I'll tell you why is because if there are witnesses they will have to vote to convict him in the end. Be Because the truth will come out right now. Now what Mitch again. And I've said this before. Maybe he doesn't see this but what Nancy Pelosi knows the truth will come out. It will and we'll sit on our. We'll I'll sit over here and wait for it if you want Or you can look like a dumb ass for just dismissing everything. And not even wanting to look at the evidence. But they're in they're in a between a rock and hard replace right this the GOP senators because if they see the evidence they they they if they don't vote to convict none then they will lose their jobs and the evidence will we clear and they will have to vote to convict they if the so. They're they're stuck. They can't they can't want to see the evidence and also not want to agree. Yeah right And it's that's just the way that it's going to be. I envision this back and forth and other impeachment hopefully if we show up to the polls he loses the election. which which by the way? When you've started this potential conflict with Iran you have now awoken the sleeping giant of millennial voters that weren't GonNa vote already? God I hope so because that that is huge What a dumb thing to do is to to Piss off the largest voting block in in American history? We don't want more endless wars. No you're the ones who would have to go. FIGHT THEM SO and pay for them so no. There's no way way. What a stupid idea You there aren't enough. Like old evangelical left to make up for the amount of millennials that are going to vote your ass out for starting the shit not to mention the justification of like you know Loki. This is kind of for Oil Lake. We don't give like climate. Have you seen pictures of Australia Australia. That she does on fire like nobody wants to fight a war for oil and to you. Know in big in the Egos of assholes there straight out saying it now so yeah and and that was a big thing that we protested in in the first Gulf War nineteen ninety no blood for oil and the administration was like. It's not about oil. It's by what's doing writes about Freedom Freedom Q.. And and we're like no it's blood for oil but royal no blood foil. Hell No. We won't go. We won't die for Texaco like but I remember it vividly as a kitchen thank you and the and Republicans say no that's not it it's WMD's weapons of mass destruction Q.. And and that's my terrible impersonation of Bush but Daddy Bush but that was they had to fight against that and now they're just saying Yup we have to guard the oilfields in Saudi Arabia. We want their oil. We want the oil and we want the oil yet. So they're just just stay aren't even hiding anymore So That's interesting and speaking of that more breaking news right now the. US has sent six B fifty two bombers. They're being deployed to be ready for potential operations against Iran. They will be sent to British territory in the Indian Ocean so they're out of range of Iranian missiles so those are on the way Bolton got his ward. He's not even working for the dude anymore. It's weird. Sorry would you say as a Bolton got his war and he's not even working for the guy anymore anymore. As I said he's Award Award for award fucking award this was a big McCain thing to McCain always wanted to invade Iran. They're always he was really big about going to war Yeah I I have to admit. I don't know enough about the intricacies of American Iranian relations to speak about this with much. You know nuance but I do know that. This is a sleeping giant that we have been choosing not to fuck with for a long time. Yeah and we actually had had done really well with the with the deal with the nuclear deal fifteen deal and That was going well. They were following following it. Everything was a okay Trump ripped it up because I don't know because he doesn't like Obama really no other reason. Either that or Vlad told him to Oh And so now here we are now. We're in this terror. I did the right thing Just like he thinks he did the right thing in Syria just like he thinks you know he did. He was AH totally legal and totally cool for him to help have Russia helping with the election just like he thought his phone call with Zilenski was perfect. He can do no wrong he won't apologize is and he's actually. The Washington Post came out with reporting. I was just seeing that. He did this because he didn't. He was afraid of looking weak against what. I don't know toxic. Masculinity humidity will be the thing that ends this world it will also be the thing ends his presidency without. We'll be right back. We've got some good news after the break stick around. Hey everybody that's AG. And this final helping of the daily beans brought to you by rem rise. 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That was how they wanted wanted to put. That's why they wanted to put that on there. Well apparently his daughter self identifies as an anarchist and she just dumped his maps and files on Google. We'll drive saying quote. I won't be satisfied that we the people have found everything until we. The people have had a chance to look at this and in its entirety So Thomas Hustler. Who died in twenty eighteen was a crucial player in the GOP redistricting efforts across the country for a decade at least He had drawn up maps that The Republicans used to Gerrymander based on race And at the expense of minorities voting rights. And of course we know trump used the excuse that he was doing this putting the citizenship question on the twenty twenty cents to bolster the Voting Rights Act whether gop had tried to keep his files. This Guy Hoffa's files in studies secret right because they were basically like. Yeah we're doing this to divide account Counties and districts by race so that we can disenfranchise minority voters but some of this information came out in the cases we mentioned earlier but on Sunday Stephanie. Hoffler I don't know if we're last name Hoffler not in your first name is Stephanie Again an anarchist tweeted them out and you can see them at the Hustler. Files H. O. F. E. L. L. E. R. FILES DOT COM which links to Google drive a full of his emails and documents all related to his racist work. Apparently Thomas Hoffler pronounced Gerrymander with a hard g to honor the former. US Vice President Eldridge Sorry L.. Bridge Gerry who pioneered the practice in Massachusetts in eighteen. Twelve Gary G. R. Y.. Apparently I don't know if that's where the term gerrymandering remembering comes from but maybe it's pronounced Gary Mandarin and we have another Jif gift situation on our hands but still it's Jif but Stephanie had been estranged from her father for several years before his death so much so that they had gotten in a fight over the custody were children ended up in court and she only found out he died when she google him on a whim six we. We get six weeks after his death and stumbled upon his obituary in the New York Times After he died she went to his house to gather up his belongings. Found a bag full of hard drives and USB sticks Knicks which she turned over to common cause which is a nonprofit watchdog group and those files are what ended up being used as evidence in the North Carolina case and So that's really interesting. So she just put him out on twitter The HOFFLER FILES DOT COM. That's awesome. I'M GONNA take a look at that and guessing CRISCO. Oh back was probably a protege of his. There are so many cod so many pretty much any Republican governor and any any state where Republicans or where the legislature draws the maps in their Republican. Run Instead of having a nonpartisan commission do it yet non-partisan commission's probably hard to find these days a cut but surprise. The answer is usually racism. Yeah we're trying to make its voting rights act better yeah okay. I'll like to tell that affect though so it is not just with political district's but also in terms of like how much lend people are home values school district's all sorts of things are all within these like like old racist districts that were drawn up you know when everything was still segregated. Yeah and there's examples where they'll draw line right down the middle of a historically black college to to split the that population into into two different districts at like it's so pervasive and so bad and this Guy Hoffler was like their king and so purposeful full. Yeah Oh yeah and it even says all of that stuff. It says like this is why you're not even trying to hide it. This is why we're doing it. Yeah yeah which is why it was a shock to me that that scotus wouldn't hear the gerrymandering case freaked me out. That is kind of a shock. Like why why. Why why what what? Why do they they are? They're like statements given us to why or when they dismissed them or choose not to hear them. They don't have to give a reason. Yeah you don't usually write up a brief when you when you don't hear case no you can just go now now and so it's knocked back down to a lower court. Yes and what was the lower court's ruling there's many lower cases many lower court cases and they're one just regionally or lost regionally. Yeah that's the if we're GONNA you know improve democracy or wrestle at back that's going to be something that needs to be fought at the country. Yes Eric holder and Barack Obama are working on it Working on it. And so is Stacey Abrams. That's one of her big the projects. I love her. She's amazing she's really awesome. Kind of want somebody pickers VP right. I think Elizabeth Warren is GonNa Chewy Castro. You think I think so I mean he's he's dropped out and now he's out campaigning for her and endorsing her Kamla but I feel like being VP. She wouldn't have as much power as she would. Like an attorney general senator. He's she's so her personality would suit a position like attorney general or two people to stay in the Senate. Yeah Artists James Yeah but yeah. I think what's interesting I think. Elizabeth Warren might announce any. Let's give me thing like boosts her campaign again. Yeah and there were rumors. That Biden was looking to to pick Stacey Abrams really as a running mate Interesting Yeah Ozzy. Yeah we'll find out soon we will I and you know it's it's a shame to me that they don't pick VP's before the primary they only pick after. Yeah that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to the on us. I feel like why wouldn't you announce your running mate is before Iowa. Yeah why not. Yeah is there a reason. Maybe because the positions could change so wildly between the now right and then you're like I wish to pick somebody else. Yeah or maybe it's like you know you wanNA announced it at the right time to give yourself the boost that you need or whatever I don't Ooh I don't know I wish they didn't wait though there's this they have to yeah And for some more good news but I have a content warning here. This is for a content warning for rape and sexual assault but this is a good news. I almost made it a shot in Florida. But I didn't. I didn't think that was appropriate. But just hours. After his criminal trial started in New New York. Prosecutors in Los Angeles dropped new indictments on Harvey Weinstein L. A. District Attorney. Jackie Lacey announced Monday. Her office has charged Weinstein with raping women women and sexually assaulting another in two separate instances that took place over two days in twenty thirteen quote. We believe the evidence will show that the defendant used his power and influence to gain access to his victims terms and then commit violent crimes against them. I WanNA commend the victims. Who have come forward and briefly recounted what happened to them? It's my hope that all victims of sexual violence find strength and healing as they move forward if he's convicted on the California County faces up to twenty eight years in state prison. So here he is coming in with his walker his Paul Manafort Got Walker and then knockout shaming just manafort shaming And he walked into the courtroom and then Bam in New York. He's in the courtroom and Bam Los Angeles two more cases two more indictments. I would be very curious to see whether or not actually spends anyone of time I behind bars. He's facing a lot of time but but we'll see yeah he's also very rich. He's very very very rich. Very powerful but he's also been and totally totally humiliated and shame. Townley I can remember Where it was recently but essentially came out and said like I feel like none of my museum? Work is being appreciate it anymore. Yeah and and no one cares about all the work I've done for women supporting women and it's like Bro. Maybe don't rape you don't get to be congratulated for your work that you've done with women you don't get to have you know you you you don't you no longer deserve that appreciation. It doesn't matter anymore for what you did was so egregious. This is what happens right. Your career will be ruined if you do things like this right. Yeah and and I think you can appreciate look. There's I think metoo era demands this conversation. Can you separate someone's work from there from that person and I think you can and the reason I say. Hey this is because you know. His films included the work of tons of talented actors and production artists and writers and tons of people writers. He it was a producer right. Yeah it's not his art exactly you know. He threw money at these things. And and I'm not suggesting that the man has zero talent but the point is is like you can still appreciate. She can still respect and appreciate the people who worked on his projects or the work that he created without fucking appreciating him anyway rant over and Iran and rant but yeah so he's facing new charges so that's fun and I feel like we're all sort of viewing this Weinstein in case as the trial of the metoo movement Not to belittle any other things that have happened in the me too movement mine included yours included needed But there so many of us haven't gotten justice Men and women people who identify anywhere on the spectrum that have been salted raped. Haven't gotten justice so that when there's a public accounting like this I feel like we're all sort of feeling like we're getting a little bit of justice Especially Ashley on such a large scale as to how much he did it. And then we've got a Epstein who who who died Would you say he died. And and I'M NOT GONNA get into that debate but And who his accuser. Never going to get to face him in court so I feel like we're all sort of I don't know I feel like we're all watching this together like we're channeling some individual rage based on our into this public trial a hundred percent. Yeah yeah sure. I have no idea how they're going to select a jury but okay and finally I want to know what you all think Ricky Gervais face at the Golden Globes last last night I have read. I have watched I have seen I have heard some opinions. Both sides Appreciative nod appreciative. People saying yeah he he he came out and said the Hollywood type shouldn't lecture people but can you really lecture people about lecturing people I also. There was a lot of really funny stuff in there. It was a very bold but also was it rude. I'm interested to know what you you all think because I am I. I'm still forming my opinion on this. The jury is still out for me on this. I haven't actually watched the club but I haven't. I liked tricky debates. When I was younger I you know He? He he did do some good comedic work. But he's become grumpier and grumpier and Stodgy Ernst dodgier and we will also just. He's doing this thing that I find and no offense middle aged men but a lot of like aging mendy where they become they dig into their opinions as opposed to be willing to grow at all. Yeah I think I think that's true. I think not just for permenant. All sorts of middle aged people true they start digging in yes. I think because because women are more naturally socialized to be like people please areas. And I'm that way I don't look into a lot of new music because I'm doug in I'm Duggan. I got my car you know but to your no seriously but you. That's true at all for you. You you are always willing to new information and to adjust your opinion and sometimes you do dig it and you think like no. This is my opinion. It's firm but you are willing to take on new information mission whereas I feel like a lot of people like him think the world changing around them is an assault on who they are and it's it's it's stressful. Full happens to every single generation though. Yes absolutely does. That's not And I'm sure you're not aiming at any no I just think it's just it's just sorta what happens but it but also it doesn't have to write. I think is I think is the middle ground. Yeah yeah and I but I just. It's and wondering what you all think because I oftentimes turn to you our listeners for not only solace and support during rough times uh-huh and Asking if it's okay if I if I take a vacation and you're always very supportive of that. Thank you but I'm interested to know what you thought about what he said because he was basically. We'll watch it and tell me what you think. Yeah well I was like excuse me another where things where I was like okay. That's pretty funny. All I saw Ways Rakija vase did some transphobic comedy. And I was like am about watching it then. Oh I didn't even hear about that. Yeah I mean that's what I that's that's was I saw a tweet Said said ricky surveys spout off. transphobic suffered the gold gloves. I haven't watched it so I have no. I didn't even know he didn't. I chose not to watch based on that. But what I'm going to do is go is go watch it and find out. I'd love to keep Mckinnon's speech though yes and There was another great one and there was a lot of good stuff that happened But but yeah I I'd be interested in what you think Absolutely so Let us know. Ideally beans pod on twitter and Yeah are you a radical truth teller though if you are speaking the truth to a room full of other rich people yeah right but but I think you're acknowledged that at one point to doc you know I and I've seen I've seen both sides of it so I'm just I'm interested to see yeah But he was like you know. Come get your little award. Don't talk about politics. Do your drugs dogs and go home. That was sort of his The gist now is the gist. Gotcha but in a in a joking manner but I can't tell If he's being accrue much fella or if he's joking around so I'm interested in what you guys. Thanks yeah again. It is up at daily beans pod. That's it any final thoughts today before we Go and see what sort of terrible news has happened while we were recording. I've kind of a funny one there. slightly Nazi for work. This is continuing on from the conversation about the wildfires and Some of the philanthropy. That's being don around that I saw this today I loved it. There's a twenty year old woman. The model that instagram model has cylinder new so great. It's hilarious it's so it's I just love it. INSTAGRAM shuttered down. They did but she's I think she's continuing on on twitter. She's a twenty year old woman. Who lives actually here in California shows in Los Angeles and she's calling herself the naked philanthropist and she I was hoping to raise one thousand dollars for for a rescue efforts God young? I can't do it now. Every like it'd be the naked philanthropists every like I will give you money to not show. There's an audience. There's an audience for every wouldn't that be great. Tell you what I will not show you my naked body if if you donate money do a livestream close on all appear on a onesie with my hair in a bun yet. It send we money to keep my clothes on the anti. What is she the naked giving clothed foyer through? She's raised half a million in dollars. Yeah Dude half a million. I'm sorry I'm trying to say that we're not as much anymore Yeah you I'll think give something for the record. I think I think dude is like subjective for me personally. I don't mind if you call me dude. Everybody feels differently about labels and pronouns and stuff. I don't mind you can call me. Dude I'm trying to not I'm trying to not. Yes so a big fucker. Works fucker works. That's totally gender neutral. Yeah all right and I and I and that's that's just not a hill all die on you know the Dude No. Yeah totally You tell me what you don't like and I'll make sure to do it but anyway I am very considering the world's on fucking fire and we were potentially going to war and everything is fucked if you want to raise half a million dollars for For Koala Burn victims on your butt in the Internet all the power to you dude. Yeah and also the Koalas need mittens and So you can them. And there's if you google like columns there's places where you can knit mittens for the quality. Donate it and send him down there. That's really nice. I know Yeah two thousand. Final thought thought. That was a little at all my heart right now for everybody in Australia. It's just absolutely heartbreaking. What's Tapani yeah? It's it is and I saw an image from NASA today. Lay Satellite Image of how much of the country's on fire and it was jarring. It's it's terrible yeah but Vote for a candidate that believes climate change. It's so this election election is so so important. It is for so many reasons. Authoritarianism climate change the planet Equal rights. Yeah it's just lives guns just it's so so important and now the blooming war Diplomacy This is this is the I think that this is the pivotal moment. I know that people say that about every election but I really can't see how any other election has been this consequential consequential so you have to vote. Vote blue no matter who Fight for your candidate in the primary try not to do a circular firing squad. So he take out anybody's knees that ends up getting getting the nomination and vote for that person we have to. We have to pledge to to support absolutely whoever however when the dump primary we just have to for sure an eye of Pledge to donate a thousand dollars to Tulsi Gabbard charity of choice. If she doesn't run third third party so Tulsi. If you're listening tell me what charity and don't run. Third Party is that is that still something that's being talked about I. Ah It's not specifically by her anyone. Just that's a concern. Yeah Yeah for sure. I mean that. Unfortunately it wouldn't surprise me but I hope it doesn't happen because Jill Stein only got point zero zero zero five percent of the vote which was enough to take away away enough votes to beat the margin in the three states that he won by seventy seven thousand votes that gave him the electoral college really. Yeah so when people are like it's not going to make that much of a difference Yeah it can just eighty thousand votes can make a difference so anyway thousand dollars charity. Your choice Tolsey. Come on you know you want it. It's not worth I think. Like especially given the the two party system here. It's not worth thinking. Well I'm not getting everything I want so never mind is not. 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Legal Cannabis Legislative Update and Tabitha Moore

The Dave Gram Show on WDEV

1:35:51 hr | Last week

Legal Cannabis Legislative Update and Tabitha Moore

"From radio. Vermont it's the Dave Graham show on WSB TV. It's your show about the people places and the issues that matter most to you. Now, here's your host Dave Graham. Good morning for Juanita's Monday fourteenth of September twenty twenty we have good show lined up for you. Today we're going to get an update on where things stand on cannabis related legislation as lawmakers entered their home structure of this strange session stretching into September's almost never does. They're still they're still working and enough way they are on canvas legislation from Matt Simon and Policy Project He is a supporter. Of the bills the legislature is considering. So keep that in mind as you hear what he has to say, but he's also very well informed. And thoughtful on this topic. In the second. Half hour of the well, let me I tell you in in the latter our. Speaking with Tabitha more she is. Founder of the ACP chapter in the relevant area. And activist on racial justice issues here in Vermont and. Has Run into some harassment unfortunately where she lives in Wallingford her daughter. Wanted to get a black lives. Matter flag raised at high school that Mill River Union, high school that was became quite controversial in that community and. Ms Moore says marriage has resulted. We're going to be talking with her about. How she's responding to that, it sounds like a pretty tough time we'll be hearing all about that. In the in the second of the program. In that interim period from nine thirty, five to ten, we're going to be speaking with Jay Shepherd. He is A. He is a was a delegate to the Republican National Convention. He comes from Essex very active in Republican politics and a big supporter. Of President Trump, we wanted to get someone viewpoint on our air to talk about some of the recent developments certainly president has had a bit of a bumpy ride in the last couple weeks. Revelations in the Atlantic and other media about comments he made. About People serving who have served in our military. And then of course. Last. Week the news about Bob Woodward's book coming out according to the president in recorded interviews with Mr Woodward talking about how he was intentionally downplaying the coronavirus back in February and March and so. Wanted to get. Someone who's a supporter president just SORTA ask them to give their thoughts on what all this means if anything and J shepherd is Bravely willing to step up I, appreciate that we'll be talking with him as I mentioned between about nine thirty five. And Ten but let's get ready to wear I converse scheduled conversation this morning with Matt Simon and the Marijuana Policy Project. Believe he's on the phone with us right now. Good Morning. Thanks for joining me. Good Morning. Glad to do it. So give me an update. Now I've been trying to keep up the. Other outlets. Following the bouncing ball when you're not actually under the Dome sometimes a little little difficult. What what is going on with the? First off with the bill that would set up retail canvas marketing system in Vermont. Sure. So I don't think anybody's really under the Dome at this point that there's a lot happening is doom under the bubble. Value Right right. Still bubble figuratively, the all anybody can watch any committee. It's really amazing. How the staff has has figured out how to make zoom democracy. Work in Vermont so been youtube streams of all relevant. Committees and and Fascinating. So two bills really since the ball started I have to use a football metaphor there two bills inside the five yard line letter cannabis related one of them I'd say inside the one yard line, it's like I in goal from inside the one on the automatically expunge past records for cannabis possession. So folks me know that Vermont decriminalized possession that can twenty thirteen and legalize it and two, thousand eighteen. The people may not know that there are still thousands of Vermont have criminal records for pass, well, level possession offenses, and this is especially a problem for black and Brown vermonter who have been arrested at much higher rates over the years despite using canvas at the same rate as rate as labor monitors. So a few of Vermont State Attorneys hosted expulsion clinics trying to help people get their record was removed nonprofits pennywise foundation stepped up and helped try to cover some of the fees but. It isn't enough and the legislature has finally come together on the idea that nobody should have to go through that process that if you're if you have a criminal record for behavior is now legal in Vermont with the stage should go through and eliminate those records and it should be like it never happened. So that's S. Two thirty four it's passed. The Senate has to house on Friday, there's another procedural vote. I think tomorrow that that appears that is going to become law and be. Really step forward on the criminal justice. Policy. Fraud. Your understanding the Governor Phil Scott is on board. I don't know that he has been asked about this bill specifically but it has passed the Senate. By an overwhelming I believe margin and it passed the house. One hundred, thirteen to ten. So. Seems. Like welding support in the legislature and I. have no idea about the governor but hope he would sign it The other bill is certainly much more uncertain in its fate it's I'd say inside the five yard line and. The House and Senate have been talking about how should we regulate? And tax cannabis sales for five years now it's been. Really, a lot of time spent studying it and deliberating it. And the House and Senate this year finally come together almost entirely on a bill that would move Vermont forward with regulated at US sales. So there's a committee of conference. has resolved most of its issues between the House and Senate versions of the bill and they still are talking about. The local tax issues and they've narrowed it down to a tiny number of issues that they still haven't reached consensus on. but hopefully, this week that will that the House and Senate will finally agree and that bill will. after another vote in each chamber, go to the Governor's desk and. That's the one that He may need some encouragement. To sign a class last thing he said was. Taking a wait and see approach. So I think they're open waiting to see what comes out. One thing the governor has said pretty consistently in the past about this, he wants to see some kind of roadside. Testing origin on a theory that police can stop you for. For suspicion of drunk driving, give you breathalyzer test a even a blood test if seems to be warranted. The. In people have been looking around for kind of a parallel system. For Cannabis and other substances. What's the status of that will part of the debate? Sure. So that's something in the House and Senate have agreed to reach the compromise on that. Particularly in light of. This this discussion took place before the current pandemic that we're in and say the words, roadside saliva tests. Now, I think it brings an image to people's minds, police, officers, sticking their hands and somebody's mouth with the side of the road and. That isn't an appeal. Police. Sorts of. Anybody else So. So but prior to that, the house demanded this provision A. Asked version of it but not a roadside test, it would be similar. It would enable a saliva test, but you the police officer would have to obtain a search one. Before administering a could not administered roadside. They'd have to take you back to the barracks and administer the tasks and that's that's the process that they have for for blood now requires. And and you know it would be treated similarly and. You know there are a lot of issues with saliva test saying it's not. Accurate in terms of. It can't be accurate terms of telling US impaired or who isn't it can tell you whether somebody's used cannabis recently but. A person shouldn't be convicted ever solely basis on basis of saliva test and the provision in the bill would not allow people to be convicted solely on the basis would be. The totality of the circumstances, which is how Fremont Dui laws operate generally person. The impaired to the slightest degree by any substance and it's the totality of the circumstances that results in. Conviction. And one of the. Sort of. Corollary debates here or something over the years has been. This question about if you have some thc or its metabolites in your system, in other words, you have evidence in your blood. Or your saliva of having. Smoked. Or otherwise. Ingested. Cannabis recently. The question then. Comes to how recently because I knew that some of the metabolize metabolites can. Last for weeks in your body and without having any impairing effect after you know the immediate day, you might have ingested cannabis and. So. There's is one of the things that this. The defense side of this whole situation will tell you is that there's plenty of potential for false positives based on cannabis use some time you know several days or weeks earlier. Has that been. Resolved. The tests getting more finely tuned or wherever you on that. Yeah. I wish. I could give you a simple answer, the technology and science certainly advancing but in. When it comes to issues. This is this is something the legislatures taken many hours of testimony on from law enforcement. From policy experts, they've been trying to craft a balance as with all of these other sub issues that come up with cannabis legalization You know they've had to reach a compromise that has a balanced public safety versus civil liberties similarly. Her testimony from doctors, some of whom have been on your program talking about potency and and things like that. They've tried to compromise with people who have expressed concerns and. You know there are other people on the other side who say we want Canada's three regulated similarly, tomatoes anybody should be able to grow it and sell it. There shouldn't be any regulations just plant. Why are we bothering with this and legislature Senate tough position trying to craft policy that compromises and makes the most sense for Vermont giving the wide disparity opinions that people still have about cannabis. I think we've reached a lot of consensus on the idea that it shouldn't be illegal and Vermont or should be able to go buy it at a store. They shouldn't should to drive the Massachusetts by just silly from every. Perspective A lot of these issues there had to be compromises and they'll I won't say it's perfect but I really respect the work that's gone into it and absolutely would move their mind what I see as a good direction. Yeah I mean if you WANNA buy cannabis at retail right now I guess you can drive down to any one of several places in Massachusetts. And find. Yourself. A shop to go into and by. Assuming, you're an adult and. And you can do that. And it is there much activity in terms of I mean I can't imagine it would be because. Police have more important things to do but I mean any. Anybody being followed from. Greenfield Brattleboro and Boston across the state line. Well I haven't heard in cases of that happening There are three retail stores within fifteen miles of Vermont, southern, border anecdotally I've heard that there Vermont license plates in the parking lots pretty much all the time. So from honors are. Taking advantage of the retail system in Massachusetts spending their money in Massachusetts and paying their taxes in Massachusetts, and they're coming back and I haven't heard any any cases of. People being busted. I. Think Vermont Law Enforcement has much more important things to do than. Go fishing at the border for existence of the. Substance. Legal in Vermont. At least swallow outs. Now. I mean. He points up one of the anomalies in our legalization law where. It's legal to have the stuff in Vermont is just not legal to buy it technically in Vermont. or sell it so. So. People have to censor themselves, and if you happen to own your own home, you happen to have space to cultivate and grow your own, and that's terrific. But those from Isis and like most beer beer drinkers don't want to brew their own most most candidates consumers don't WanNa grow they're on and allow people rent. And rental agreements don't tend to allow colocation. So. We have to have some kind of retail market. It's the only only sensible policy. And it is. The legislation is currently pending. For discussion between the House and the Senate this week. Tell me about the system that you envision it setting up with your big big differences are. Small differences between sort of the the Massachusetts Retail Environment and the Vermont Retail Environment just. Anything that comes up it comes to mind is as. Me I'll give you an example of with alcohol. Okay. If I go to Yankee spirits and. They actually have. Alcohol a spiritus liquors, they wines, and Beers and snacks and CETERA. If you go to New Hampshire state liquor store they I think they sell. Liquors and wines, but they don't sell beer enough sell any food. And if you sort of this odd difference a clearly. Is Codified in state law somewhere. In one state. The stores can do this and the other. So that's kind of stylistic difference I'm I'm interested in what would you see there if anything? I don't think Vermont should start taking excuse from Hampshire done on Canada's policy anytime soon or anything else necessarily of it. The. I think there are some really key differences that people should know about one of the biggest concerns in place I hear online isn't this bill just setting up corporate? Canada Charlie going to have big companies come in and take over the thing, and that's something that has been heard at every public hearing on this issue and legislators have heard over and over and what they've done is. Created regulatory policies and the spill the to prevent that from happening No business in mind would be allowed to have more than one license of any type. So you can have one clove Asian license, you're GonNa have one retail license. You can't have to retail outlets. Massachusetts allows each energy to have up to three. So they're at least. it's somewhat more appealing to a big company that wants to have multiple stores But in Vermont they prioritized small-scale coder licenses the bills requires regulators to prioritize licensing for small cultivators for women and minority owned businesses. really just trying to create an equitable market from from the very beginning at seeing that hasn't always happened and some of the first states. illegalized and you know we've been talking for years. WHAT'S THE VERMONT WAY? How do we legalize cannabis that Vermont Way and I think that? this bill has is for better or worse at inflex opinions of hundreds of Vermont here's who have expressed themselves throughout this process over the course of five years and. Decisions made by the legislature. and. I'm curious. To know if you think the on the retail side of this thing. What what's your Bet Vermont up with by sometime in twenty twenty one with a place to go. To do your cannabis shopping. I'm GonNa Dodge that question just as hard as I can because I am I like to bet on things. I feel like I have if I know what outcome is. Reasonable of have a feeling and. This one could absolutely go either way And you know. It's going to depend on. The details of what gets done it's going to depend on getting done. There's still some chance that the the the the legislators don't reach final agreement on they're still talking about the tax issues and how municipalities should be funded through the taxation of Senate bill has a two percent local option tax included in it, and the house doesn't want that so the. Or maybe the other way around keep getting some fused but. The question is how do municipality is money out of this? League of cities and towns who's been very active in this process you know I opposing this and then sort of as it became clear that it was going to happen. They've taken the position that we want to make sure cities and towns are getting a lot of revenue one way or another. So that's still unresolved. You know people want this to happen, call you leaders and tell them this matters. Vermont needs the jobs. So this tax revenue economic stimulus that will come from passing still. So dot the I's cross the keys figure out a final version of the bill that makes the most sense and send it forward to the governor's desk, and then it's it's a matter of prevailing. On the governor that this is good policy in the does new Vermont and Direction des needs to go so. The The bill is. What's the number of the bill now on the retail sales? Is it? Four As fifty four. I have seen a couple of postings online where people are complaining. About this, being some kind of a giveaway to be corporations or something. You feel those issues have been taken care of in this I mean what? What are those complaints based on and are they at all valid? Yeah. Well I've been dealing with a lot of those criticisms myself and it's just it's come to my. Conclusion reached is that some people will describe any bill. That allows a regulated fails of Canada's as corporate. We'd or whatever we'll. We'll dismiss it as bad. No matter what the policy actually says. So again, the bill prioritizes small coal vader's create a small cold ovation license up to thousand square feet. Strictly limits the the ability of businesses to you know, corner large parts of the market. You can only have one retail license. You can only have one license and it requires disclosure of all the financing and all of the. You know the the the money behind any business. So the minors legislators have heard that concern repeatedly over the years and I think when you listen to what US opponents of the bill are saying you know when you drill down on it, what they want is direct. FARM TO CONSUMER SALES THEY WANNA be able to just grow cannabis and sell it from farm stands without the kind of regulation that the legislature feels it's necessary and maybe someday, that will be what does. But in the here, and now we there are a lot of people who are concerned about public safety concerned about T. News and what to protect consumers with regulated. System you know the medical cannabis system in Vermont still regulated by Law Enforcement Agency Department of. Public Safety still move it into the the cannabis control board, and there would be for the first time ever independent lab testing for medical cannabis in. Vermont. Something that should have had a very long time ago. So this is just A SMARTER WAY to regulate cannabis both on the medical side and adult use side, and it is an attempt to make policy that works. For everybody in Vermont. Well, I will have to see. Are there are there votes scheduled this week? Do you Anything about what's what's happening when that front Yeah Extension and Bill I believe has a final third reading vote in the house, and then it goes back to the Senate for concurrence and onto the governor. The committee of not French to my knowledge has not set a date for its. Final meeting. This week or next. Against because they're getting ready to. For the. So. We're about out of time but I really appreciate you joining us this morning and giving us an update on all of this. will be keeping on savvy back to report again. Thank you very much. We're going to bottom of the hour break for some CBS News and stay with US folks. We're talking with James Shepherd exporter of president trump in the next half hour. Pitching, to get out, explore Great State Don Your Mask and come to the Warren store and the Beautiful Mad River valley the stores open to a limited number of customers upstairs and down Jili takeout by phone or window, but you can finally choose beer wine chips, etc. No appointment needed upstairs well-stocked with cool summer cards, candles, bags, and jewelry puzzles toys for all ages, art supplies, books, and Interactive Learning Games are your kids board driving you crazy. Bring them to the warrants store practicing all safe protocols masks required. Now back to the Nave Graham Show on W. D. E. B. FM and am. We are back in. One, why introduce our next guest actually I was gonNA tell you a little story when I said Nah I'll say I amount of time. Let's see here. Next Gasoline J shepherd. He was a Republican. delegate I should say to the Republican National Convention last month and. He is a big supporter of president trump. My sense is that president trump has been a bit of a bumpy ride last couple of weeks a lot of people criticizing him over alleged remarks about our US servicemembers. He Was the subject of a lot of coverage last week of his new book coming out from Bob Woodward about how the president said on the record interviews that he intentionally downplayed the corona virus and that of course caused lot consternation and so. Me I should probably get a trump defender supporter on the on the show to say. Just, just to sort of offer some A. Little bit of the defense argument for this stuff because certainly the president as I say he has been. Getting a lot of slings and arrows. said in his direction over the past couple of weeks, not to say for the first time. Seems to be. A growing a growing phenomenon shall we say? J. Shepherd is joining me this morning by telephone Jay really appreciate. Your willingness to do so. I appreciate the Opportunity Dave I. Think it's Very nice you have on and we can talk about. You know, I don't like to work defending the president because I think you WanNa talk about all great accomplishments that has done with it, and what I'm really trying to do is this bell these debunked Stories about him that are. very untrue and are have been that started actually I think the first attack on the president from the media and from the Democrats, who twelve, nine, nine minutes after he became president. So it's nothing new. It's really not a growing. Number of attack is just coming your direction. People saying the same things over and over that have been pretty well the bumped it. This might. Well do you remember is specific attack you have in mind as to that twelve, hundred, hundred attack of the election night twenty sixteen. Oh they sent out there was a at twelve nine. They sent out a things saying we now star to. Impeach the president. And that that was actually there was an article in and post on there. digital platform was attacked against the president and his administration at twelve nine. So apparently, the had was well in that dance and it goes back to all the lies about the spilled. Documents and. Those kind of things and most recently you know the whole. Talk about the losers in suckers and all of that when. Well, over two dozen people who are actually in France at the time that it never happened you can't find it name of anybody who said it did happen. So it's it's one of those little gossip Lulu things that go around where they working every day drawing something against the wall try to take down this president because this small group of people that hate him is trying to overcome the large group of us that really like what he's accomplishing in getting done and it's been a phenomenal amount of accomplishment and they don't want to allow anyone to hear those. In the case of these comments about the military does it hurt though that they? they they. They seem to fit a picture which in for instance, when the president was on television being interviewed in was disparaging. John. McCain. Talking about how he likes people who didn't get. At cetera. that. That sort of sounds like similar behavior or that that behavior in this behavioral have some similarities that make make it. In some ways perhaps more credible. Do you think that hurts them? I think now it was an unfortunate comment. He made about John McCain and I think there's a big difference between speaking about someone specifically and a group of people in general and what the media has tried to do they look for a weakness they conspire with the liberal. On the other side? And they keep bringing these stories up that have some basis of I don't even want to say fat but they have the foundation of they've already passed out in the past and when we talk about behavior I, think it's more important to talk about actions and what the president's done for the va odd. All the changes that have taken place, modernize it, and it gets better health care to our veterans. ending wars that no president has ended in years and years where the previous administration eight years in learning did not presidents bringing people home in Afghanistan and Iraq, and he really has been a great president for a veterans. So if the love better I'd say to talk about accomplished much in deeds are actually done. Rather. Than talking about a word here and there. The Washington talks about a long history of disparaging military service and I guess what I'm pointing at in terms of. It would have been more surprising if some story had come out saying. That he had been making lots of comments behind the scenes in praise of the troops and talking about them. As heroes and so on and so forth. Because again, I think somewhat somewhat you you. Many people will will look Eh. Piece of news coming out, and they sort of see whether it fits in a picture that has previously. been established in their minds to some extent D D, do you know what I mean? I mean. The sad part is that the media along with? The officeholders on the other side of worked very hard at creating a narrative that is constantly criticizing the president. So what they do is they build this false narrative out there, and then they bring out these little tidbits, little facts that are a totally one-sided. So they're really crazy narrative that they can harp on in order to discourage this president. They don't spend a lot of time talking about the increase in. Pay that he's pushed for the military increase health benefits that active-duty. Laws and active duty. Naval, officer and benefits in upside in the last three years alone has been tremendous for him and my family because of that. So they WANNA create this negative uncertainty out there about this president without any bounce at all I think the Washington Post. The one of the worst offenders is where they create this narrative and then they pound in town and then. Thing. That really bothers me day off of bothered you like it does name, but it's reporters reporting on others. Instead of having actual people come through and put their name on thing extract clothing, other news sources land, and actually doing the hard work. Of, bringing out, will lose. When What did I say to folks who were complaining about the media being too negative remember that. I actually saw some. Writing, over the weekend concerning the case of the five year old North Carolina. Boy had to be white who've level shot by a man who have to be black in and. Comments about how the national media we're not covering this story and so on. One of the things that I think people forget is that is that. When things proceed sort of. An expected or normal fashion as in win military folks occasionally get pay raises everybody you hope occasionally gets a pay raise we have inflation in this country, you want salaries to keep up and. So that. Frankly as big story as something weird happening. I think I've told folks before. that. You know who complain about the media being too negative I'll say well, the day you see a headline that says plane lands. Safely You really need to start worrying about aviation. And by the way on that, on that morning December of nineteen ninety-three when the right for Wright brothers look landed the plane. Safely Kitty, Hawk you can bet there were headlines. Of plane landed safely so. I. Go Ahead I. I'm kind of you know very, you know we've seen all the pullback in the cutback in the media and I think. You know I think that sometimes the media was a little lazy and they didn't do all the homework I. Think the limited resources you're seeing the media having these days. It's much easier just to create commentary and use other people's reporting and. Do the hard work and we've seen it year Vermont with media sources really laid off very talented journalists. Because, of financial reasons I, think you're seeing that all over the country and we're seeing too much of. The political. It's a little bit on both parts. where they're reading press releases and they're they're going through the narratives and things that are given to. Doing the hard work of. Courting of balance and having information on Americans really need. and disappointing the point. Let's Free Listeners Online Ruth Room Sheldon is good Morning Ruth. Yes I. Think this would be a good opportunity for me to say that I am very grateful for president trump for what he is doing for va benefits for some sections We have benefited by this greatly To the tune of thousands and thousands of dollars because Somebody in my family was able to use the choices for care and go on our own hood to get medical care, which we didn't have any insurance for which I have complained about for decades. But we didn't have insurance but president trump made sure that our family member was able to get va benefit and he's able to get choices for care and I am very happy with the care he has been receiving. Thank you. That's great root. Thank you for the call. So choices for care. There's there's a positive story I have seen some discussion of that in the media. The I guess there's a there is A. Tendency, again, I'm just saying that the media tend to the news media tends to point out I've seen definitions in journalism textbooks and so on. Then the news oftentimes contains at least an element. Of something which is unusual. You know. something. Which is actually new. Hadn't happened previously released it hadn't happened on a routine basis and. So. Does that does that skew things to? Do you think j? Shepherd Absolutely great in new you know is really important, but there's also Need to. Be Factual. you know rumor and Innuendo is not news is is gossip, and if he if you don't start reporting the news and what's truthful and then people lose faith in higher process and we need the media out there we need people reporting news in doing the stories that need to be done You know I I want to go back to Louis when she said and seldom. Shelters a long ways from the hospital. They do a very good job down there at the hospital and the junction, but they cares act. choices for care. Really make a big difference especially in the lower your and don't have opportunities, but we can start accessing local doctors and local hospital and I. It will be more. Are Gone Out and I think each call. It. Actually, you know you. WanNa. More reliance on facts that. I WANNA I WANNA turn turn the page to the story that broke this past week concerning some recorded on the record interviews with the president of the United States these by. Bob Woodward longtime journalist with the Washington Post now mainly a writer bucks. and. In fact, purely writer books I guess these days. Anyway. Are you. Happier with with that kind of coverage than with stuff that's based on anonymous sources and that sort of thing. I, think important. Talked about. While Woodward and his access to the president and all that and I think if you look back on the history of Bob Woodward has not been. Overly friendly encouraging the president's on in either. Party. And the fact that our president would giffen access to there I think needs to be applauded for his openness and his willingness to talk about people who do some indepth recording. So I don't watch doubtfire or criticize Bob Woodward's Work I. Think. There's a difference in his book where he makes conclusions. Based on interviews and I think we're look at a large book of several hundred pages in the. Content. That in probably made kind of interested in interesting choices. You'd have to you'd have to assume that that something. Related to the corona virus would be. you in other words, imagine yourself as a reporter. You've been given an assignment to look this book over and figure out what the most newsworthy yogurts in it and you see some material and they relate to the coronavirus. Is Is, is that going to be elevated in your in your interest because it's been clearly the number one story of twenty twenty. And I think it's really important in some of the things that Woodward said we're really important in the president did come out and admit that he as twelve. Wow. Now, it's not working down played in public. the seriousness of the pandemic. But one of the things that they didn't talk about especially on the sixty minutes interview last night is they never talk about the fact that? In the administration, they never downplayed the effects. So his response is not downplayed his verbal to stop panic in the streets from the pandemic. Is Very, very important. So when that he handled it and saying that we should not be panicking and that it's not going to kill the two million people that the media had actually said wanting to die in this fan. If you WANNA. Look at it. That way if addicted two million deaths in America so he's save. What is it a a million two? Million Eight. People in this country by not having a panic in how he played condemn. So there's a difference between playing verbally and what the administration immediately did in January to fight this virus. Shut down our borders stop trying to come into this country he took. A tremendous amount of incoming for his response in closing our borders. But yet they WANNA talk about how he downplays the seriousness of it maybe verbally to keep people calm. So we don't have more deaths than we need, but the administration jumped in almost immediately start taking action to stop this from spreading especially. WHO'VE POOP predicted? Two million. Coronavirus stats. That came from the. O. And it's kind of interesting how whol they have one job to do, and that's the protect the the world from these spreading pandemics and they failed miserably and I think it's great that they were finally. Losing some of their funding for being inadequate in one of the most important time for them to step up. So it was the whol that had predicted two million deaths that were coming in. It was reported widely back in March of this year. Really, president credit for really saving these lives, and if we get away from some of the Metro areas where there was panicking, they started sending over patriots in with seeing the citizens of nursing homes have to. Be President and not just the president but the whole administration taking seriously and getting things done. In a way that has faced like. Looking at a report from the from Kato Dot Org. The Cato Institute of course is. I think fair to say right leaning Libertarian think tank. And it attributes this two point, two, million, million lives lost estimate. Not. The WHO but actually to Neil Ferguson. And a team at Imperial College London. The DACA Ferguson had previously publicized almost equally sensational death estimates from. Disease Bird Flu, and swine flu so Apparently this guy has a record of. Overstating, the the deaths from various a contagious diseases. The New York Times quickly ran the news about this new covert nineteen but the report which warned that an uncontrolled spread of the disease could cause as many as five hundred, ten, thousand deaths in Britain triggered a sudden shift in government's. com-comparable relaxed response to the virus. American said the report which projected up the two point two million deaths in the United States from such as also influence the White House to strengthen its measures. To isolate. Of the public. There has been quite a bit in the United States. Although not as much as some people would like of mask-wearing social distancing. Etc.. Is this. Do you think that that perhaps? We have. Reduced the the number of deaths that were possible from the coronavirus through these practices. And the sad part is that the call experts the scientists that you were listening to. Early on the giving conflicting reports I don't know if you remember how initially they're saying don't wear mouth though by. Then they're saying by that and they retard social distancing it works for leading on surfaces rarely spreading early on now I was doing sanitary wipes when I went to the post office don't doors. And so it hasn't scribes had all these knicks reports out there. That everybody suddenly wasn't actually. One of the things that fall Woodward said last night Because, he knew on February seven. That it was bad at the president told him in the interview that could be very bad. He never reported either in winnings asked lie he didn't reported in. spread the word he said because there was so many conflicting other stories without it. And I think he's he's back in January February and March is somebody conflicting stories that it was tough to know exactly what to do because we're hearing so many different views on it. And I think if you look at where the President Administration took it. Very cautious. In terms of not spreading the, you know the two million people They're not talking about panic in the streets. So they downplayed a little bit in public because there was no definitive scientific evidence of their lightly to handle it the right way to deal with it. So I, I, very happy with how they they worked on that. Had So, many conflicting views from so-called experts. I. Expect that. I know the answer you're going to give me but I have to ask anybody what's your prediction for the outcome in November? The president is lagging in the polls, but you gotta pull it out. Without a doubt if you look at where he was four years ago at the same point, you still far ahead in the bull. That he not only will hold all day long lifetime, he will gain four additional states and win by a larger margin. To, win by large margin than he did in in two thousand sixteen. Do you think that the? That the election will go off smoothly years are going to be delayed counted. Some of the forecasts are not real. Not Real positive there. They continue to have these. Mail out ballot and we've been very happy with the absentee ballots and how they work, but you mail ballots out. With such an opportunity for fraud stage. General errors doing something new. So I very worried about how law come out and all the different links of it and. Now. I just wish to get back to the way voting focused. On. The. Day that elections are unless you need an absentee ballot. About all the time we have I appreciate your is with us this morning J. Shepherd. Thank you so much. pre-k today. Thank you and hardy. Coming up on ten o'clock CBS. News, I will have words from one of our CBS correspondence and then continue the Dave Ramsey show following stay with US folks. This is WBZ newsradio owned and operated by the Radio Vermont Group from the Topper sugarbush ninety six point one wd Ev FM warning Wakefield Ninety six, point five W to forty three. 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Happy to have all you listeners out there and please be shy if you want to call in and tell us what's going on in your life or just tell us. Whatever daily commentary is a great or off the rails or whatever you wanna say we're always happy to take your calls at two, four, four, one, seven, seven, seven, or Eight seven seven to nine, one, eight, two, five, five. Let's put in Leonard Steinhorn CBS political analyst and. Leaves on the phone with us. Good Morning Leonard. Good. Morning. Happy to be here. And lots going on as one might expect to just fifty days to go. I, guess before. The presidential election. and. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ONE IS Does any of these big stories that have broken last couple of weeks the Atlantic thing about the military disparagement alleged by. The president allegedly engaging in this. Or? Any anything. Any big big changes likely as a result of BOB. Woodward's recorded interviews with the president where he acknowledges downplaying the coronavirus what what's your sense? Look. We have to think that the basis of strong supporters of each party they're pretty baked in. This is not going to affect any of Donald Trump supporters when you saw some of the Woodward stuff breaking on Fox. News. There were a lot of excuses justifications and a lot of mitigation. So that wasn't breaking through a lot but key thing is there aren't a lot of undecided voters there on a lot of voters in the middle. But if there are even five percent of people who haven't made up their minds and these stories do have an impact, they could make a difference in those key battleground states. Six or seven of them that will decide the future of countries. So bottom line is this those stories could have an impact. The cumulative effect of the sense that the president hasn't been straight with the American people that he's had contempt for American heroes that he downplayed something that if he had actually brought it to the attention of people might have saved lives that could have an. Impact on perceptions of character, leadership and credibility, and if it influences that small slice of no states that could go one way or the other or the that are soft providing become stronger for Biden store for trump become more undecided, those stories could have an impact but again, we don't know this because we only have poles and Poland. Perfect. Remember one thing about the poll they could say that. Forty three percent of voter support president trump. But in the footnote is what's called the margin of statistical error plus or minus three or four percent or something like that, and that can month his forty three up to forty, seven or forty eight. And of course. Even, that is not an one hundred percent certain. Five percent certain that you fall in the margin of error. If I, remember my. It's like it's Grad school explode line. Yeah. I don't want to jump out of my apartment building on a ninety five percent certainty that I'm going to be caught You know it's something that you know it's it's informative. It's helpful. Do Trust some these people who are the best in their field, but the very fact that it's only ninety five percent certain that it's maybe plus or minus three or three, and a half percent that doesn't give you the greatest amount of confidence to be able to predict the future. And Although I am betting on the Celtics and series against Miami. Not to say that there anyway sports any anywhere near as borden is the. Future garlic our country but anyway, hey. A quote, Yogi Berra, who says I never make predictions especially about the future especially about the future. So. I love Yogi Berra stuff. He's pretty. Lots of good finding stuff. Well. In your your your thoughts about. I'm curious what you think about this Woodward Dust Upward he's catching flack for people. For not having reported earlier on the these statements by President, trump to the family had since February and March. Well I think those are good legitimate questions look Woodward says that given the President Track record where you don't know whether what he's saying is true or not. you want to be careful about whether you disclosed that in addition if you don't have a verify, but once he did get it verify once he did find out that the president did indeed get a national security briefing at the end of January, which is apparently what the president was referring to in February seventh conversation with Woodward Woodward have a responsibility to go out there. Well, look, he's a journalist he's not a public official was the same as a journalist finding information out that is relevant to the people of our country perhaps he does and who knows if I could have changed the subject. If it would have put the president and a little bit more on the defensive because the president could argue look I didn't WanNA panic people. Of course, you you don't have to you disclose information that doesn't heel panic people depends on how you disclose it leadership you exerts. But by March thirteenth, a ten people were already panicking. You know the president was calling people. Back, from overseas and you had airports in cities throughout the world where Americans were packed in desperately trying to come home paying five times the ticket price for coach seats to be able to come back to the United States. At that moment in time their New York was in shutdown increases so that wouldn't be panicking. So if if Woodward come out with him and put. The president a little bit on the defensive for knowing about this, maybe the president would have doubled down on his leadership earlier more decisively encourage more people to wear masks since the president knew that this was airborne is early as the end of January. So it's very possible that Woodward saying this could have impacted the trajectory of this disease and therefore potentially save lives. Now again Woodward is not a public official he's a journalists and so you know he doesn't have a responsibility the American people through his oath of office be able to do this. But at the same time that you know information that's critical to the United States and there's no reason not to disclose it, it may have made sense for him to come out with them. In the president. Family was knowing that this is going to be worse than he was saying. And he was pretty much talking down masks at least for the first month months of this continues as of. This weekend to hold rallies where a lot of people are not wearing masks he went to Nevada for an indoor rally and got into a tiff with the governor there over vastly exceeding the fifty personal limit to such gatherings that the governor has ordered in Nevada. What do you? What people make of that that that the president is still at least perceived pretty widely as someone who? Is just not big on that mask thing. I mean, there's another example event president was holding where I think it was a New York. Client order was tweeting out photos of people who weren't wearing masks and reported escort it out of the event look I mean you can't have it both ways Mr President you can't say you're leading the country on this. You can't say that you know that this virus spreads air in an airborne way and now that the science has shown. That Nassar affected not to be able to buy taught by that simply for because, you want to show your defiance of the establishment defiance of the norms to show your voters and supporters that you know you're a renegade that you're gonNA, stick your thumb in the eye of people I mean look. Let's face it That's just not responsible behavior. So you know there are people who are worried right now that this event in Nevada last night. Could be one of those super spreader events you're indoors people packed together. They're shouting their these little droplets are coming out of their mouth who knows how many people do get sick from this there is evidence from that South Dakota motorcycle rally that there are people all over the country who have gotten sick because of that. So look, it doesn't take much to be able to ask people to wear mass into to serve as a role. Model and still rows your supporters and get them energized. You can do that without jeopardising people's House so I think that sends a very, very wrong message to the American people At this moment in time, there is no point in jeopardizing people's health even if the president can claim that he's moving our country quickly toward a vaccine to be able to address this, you just don't WanNa risk lies even if it's for a political event, look. Even. If he had held an event where people close together shoulder to shoulder but encouraged everybody to wear master told everyone should wear mess. They probably would have listened to him and still would have been standing up and cheering for the president at that rally ym didn't do that you have to ask him. When last thing the the Republican nomination. That Thursday night a couple of weeks ago. Now, a little more than a couple of weeks ago. In Washington outside the White House their big shoulder children crowd not wearing masks. The I'm not hearing any outbreaks from that. Are you? Know I'm not a you have to imagine that people there will very well tested them in the White House in particular has been very, very strong about making sure that nobody gains access without being tested but here's the other thing. You have it outside events. Okay. are still problematic if people are face to face. Looking the loud music shouting each other's faces without worrying masks but outside events are far better than indoor events. And you know you did see any number of people from that Tulsa rally. Earlier this year who did get sick on you had secret service you had part of the president's advanced team getting sick. You had the passing of of former presidential candidate Herman Cain is arguably from rally and so it's those indoor rally that are the most worrisome even though you still want to take as many precautions as possible outside you know you can't stop people from living. That's why restaurants are trying to do their best to allow people eat outside See You can't stop people from living that you gotta take the precautions. And for sure when you're having an indoor event where people are loud and people shouting and people are sledding and closely together, that's where you should be wearing masks. But yeah, I don't think that there are any or many reports of from the from the White House. But again, the White House really is probably one of the safest places to be right now and even when it was so safe to be there, you still had a few people in the white, house who came down with the corona virus so you know so. I don't I, don't hold it against the president or any candidate for wanting to hold rallies with voters this campaign this is an election you WanNa meet with people you wanNA feel their energy. Take precautions because there's no point in potentially infecting those people who were there or having them get infected and infect other in their homes in their communities. You know we don't need to do that to hold a nice rally. All well, Leonard Steinhorn the CBS News. Thank you so much for joining this I appreciate it. Thank you. Let's go to listener call I believe Michael from Wakefield online. Michael. Good, morning how you? Doing well, how are you? I'm doing great. Look looking looking at the foliage come a little bit more every day. But any rate I find it very interesting whenever I speak to Voters about the teacher in chief and I asked this question a lot in the seventy four year record. Of Donald, trump would would you want your child or any child to study, learn and follow in order to have a value Philip intent life and don't tell me that he's president or does not drink and and and if you have no answer to that, and and since one of the most important part of of a president, that's any age. But especially, seventy four years old is the transfer values to the future generation and and you have no answer. How could you possibly vote for this person to be president of the United States the leader of the free world? And nobody has an answer. Of anything that they want their child to learn from DONALD TRUMP ABOUT ONE Let. Let let me. Let me. Let me try to. Just. Going to play devil's advocate for a minute you might. Say. Here's a value I help. My kid goes up with than that is the ability to To question the establishment to thumb your nose at the elites to To recognize that even experts are not all knowing all that sort of stuff I'm not saying. That's necessarily where I come from but I'm just imagine somebody saying that yet. They cannot point that out. Based on on his almost you know what is public of a seventy four year record because it's seventy four record. You can't. You cannot trust one word that he says. In anything before you ever thought about being president when he when he was still a single person and through through is family life and the fact that he says that he had nothing to do bring up, bring bringing up children and. There's no value that I have ever heard or anybody has ever pointed out to me that they want to. They want their child to learn. Anything. You don't, you don't have to discuss the list of politics if it's. About the person, do want your child to learn who needs them. I guess I get what you're saying, and I also want sorta reply to my own comment a moment ago we're in. You kind of make make this point, but I want to zero it in. There so much dishonesty. I don't know what's not elitist about having a private airplane with gold bathroom fixtures on it, right? Oh. Yes. Why and? Donald Trump. had. Still does. David we all know play of wealthy people like here's a person that. He doesn't even know how to handle a wealth. So also, I? That's all I have to say so I I really. Really, don't understand how he has this much support. You think of it. Between your your own values and what you what you want your children and. Grandparents Branch Dylan. That's my. I read something they were the secret of his support was described as basically he is the thumb that. People are sticking in the eye of the you know the intelligence, the the. Coastal elites whenever you want to call them and. He's actually the instrument of. This. Anger and and has managed to fashion himself to be so even though he comes from a very coastal new. York City. Obviously big port city. And he is very, very wealthy or at least fight. Average standards. And so the idea that he's not closely. A lead himself. Fusing. Michael thanks for the call. Appreciate. Life say, my next guest is Tabitha Poem War she is A. Founder of the. Rutland County. Area Chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of COLORED PEOPLE IN DOUBLE ACP and. She has been involved in a lot of the. Racial. Justice activism that has been burgeoning in elsewhere in the United States in recent months and. and. Unfortunately, she has been taking some abuse and harassment. Because of these. Activities and. Wanted to talk with to have more about that. She's on the phone with US good. Morning. Tabitha. Learning, gay, it's good to hear your right. Could hear you too and. I saw I saw the some recent news coverage about your. Situation. Do I understand correctly that you've made a decision that you are going to be moving from where you've been living for thirteen years or something like that. Yes. Moving. has happened already or is it a still working on it or? I'm still working on it people and you know they needed to leave. You know this very minute, which is fantastic. Had A lot of folks offer housing support which has been wonderful So I'm just trying to tie UPS events here. hooting fighting finding a more permanent. Place for like naturalist. You actually you grew up in Rutland County is that right? I did I actually I. moved back in two thousand, nine to the area. I graduated in Nineteen Ninety six kickback thirteen years later to. Try to increase the ability invoice up people in my life tradition. In, of course. I. Reminded state officials and anybody who studies. The demographic issues we've had in the state. Probably love the idea of somebody who maybe moves away from Vermont to see some of the larger world. Early on and comes back. Still, a young person able to contribute a lot to through her her working life and. And then have children in the schools and be part of the Vermont Community Economy and all of that sort of good stuff. It sounds like you you've. been on that path pretty much. That is that right? Yeah. You know like I love the Mont going up here. You know I had a wonderful childhood experience and a lot of different ways one thing that was really hard with them the racism. Back in the day so you know mountainside world and learned a lot more than I know and I wanted to bring that home. Like I said try to make the place. More welcoming and favor. Four people in all kinds of marginalized position is starting to the N. W. C. P.. Because important part of that I think as a state that depends on tourism has our major economy. You know. Our main economic stores I thought it was really important. That people understood the connection between people wanting to come in, spend money here and the ways that we treat people when they are here and there's been so many. People. Coming and trying to stay and live people coming. To campus go with a young people I hope I. ended up having to eat because of the racial Thursday phase, my hope was to be able to to do something about that. Yeah So I. A little more on your own biography you you you went to high school in. Where did you high school there in Brooklyn? I attended MILIVER UNION HIGH SCHOOL GO GET And I came back into the mind was a school counselor there for about eight and a half years trying to do similar work In the schools and You know some pretty significant. Issues. The work. That's it's to be kind of cool when you grow up attending a school and then you end up being on the. In this case, the guidance staff or the faculty or whatever. At. The same same school you attended yourself, I mean, it must be I'm sure that's not. Unheard of circumstance that occasionally teachers that are teaching at the school they attended, but it's still gonNA to be. Interesting how how would you say? How would you say the the racial climate has changed if at all or if it's say maybe. From the time you were I mean I gather you graduated what? You Graduated High School in Ninety six or. Okay. You know it was what's changed I think technology has allowed people for access to different cultures and societies and more information that was previously available and I think has certainly Helped to create a more multicultural kind of idea in people's heads here. It was nice when I came back I. saw you know more about it black spaces at first and so you know it's pretty hopeful about that but I'm finding that more people are aware of racism in Halifax benefactor the more educated federal majority are becoming about the way that they see it starting to speak up the more Push back. There is for people who would consider themselves to be not racist. And so I. Think we'll wait now is that People who are armed with information are. Good information I should say for valid resources. Sites are trying to do really important work at the same time. There are a number of folks and a number of. perpetuate false information it is. and they are. Just, as passionate and mobilized as well. So we're seeing this. Massive. Conflict with basic human rights. That I'm not sure would look this way if we didn't have access to insulation the basically do so you know it's stored. So. I want to get into a little bit of this summer's story with you. We need to go to a bottom of the hour break though and just a couple of minutes. So I think I might save before after the break. But in the in the meantime I wanted to ask you. Do feel as though overall, the situation has improved from Nineteen ninety-six we still. Or is it worsened or what your sense there. I'm still hearing a lot of the things that I experienced the child and right now the growing racial tension in this in the state is is pretty awful. It's just like it is around the rest of the US So I wouldn't say it's getting better, but it's You know the scabs been picked off and. We're bleeding out right now I think it's a state and as a nation. Yeah I don't know. I suppose that's that is something which is. GonNa, happen maybe I. Don't know if there's any way to to avoid it. Right. I think part of a natural cycle of history. I. Kind of cycle of history, it also is part of the cycle of civil resistance to oppressive. Regimes which is what? Racism is, and so people are starting to band together and push back starting to see fire more incidents of discrimination violence and hate far beyond what I'm experience. Just a minute ago. What are some of the things you are experiencing? Now I'm trying not going to too much detail about things 'cause it's been kind of a rough summer. My kids are listening but I have you know started randomly I knew that there was going to be some level of pushback at the level of victory on hate up in messages and. The emails, McKinley veiled threats that I receive are getting to be Beyond tenable There was my daughter. who advocated to raise the black lives matter flag and our school district who? Adult on social media. Horrible incident with a neighbor who? Let's I'm sorry to interrupt but let's talk more about this. After the break we can get some CBS News in couple of our sponsors and we're GONNA continue our conversation with with more just on the other side will be back very shortly. Itching to get out, explore our state, Don your mask and come to the war store and the beautiful mad river valley. 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Tipping Point was for me when my seventeen year old successfully worked with the school board to get them to raise the black lives matter flag. Strip even decided that they should the the gay pride by And immediately Hate started rolling in in this you know social media based for the majority. I mean people calling seventeen year old like grown folks picking on US seventeen year old saying hatred hateful Alex. thing about a child who actually is working in her summer to do something important. That could be at that point I kind of realized I needed to take stock of what's going on my family in feet away at the work that I'm doing is having an impact because I know that part of the hate that she received. Messages and some of the messages You know was directed at me and so you know as I was taking account of what was happening or running. Like. That you know. It's just. I just realized that this is not a healthy way for me to be in this and that I don't need to hurt myself. Or my family you don't need to be harmed in the process of doing. So obviously you. Listen. It's been. It's been a tough summer. Lots of anxiety and sleepless nights. For the and for my to my kids and my you know, my dad, my ex husband. you know has been fairly trust as well. Through this process and trying to make sure he's Supporting an what he can. And So you you are. Contemplating a move actually and I'm planning a move and. Your. Daughter is just starting her senior year mill river right. Yes I'm trying not to go into too much detail about what that looks like from her. Them So. I don't want to give give away of information about what she's. Really doing this year but yeah. Okay. I I know that in many circumstances that's a very tough time to move is when we don't want to get his. Just late in high school years obviously grown up with a certain community and. would be in happier. Circumstances sherve eager to graduate with their class and. All that good stuff. So I. Graduate. Yeah. For. And But she also recognizes the importance of facie her better than you know, ninety nine percent of people. Understand why so important and she's actually Very much looking forward to Relocating. And Your your your work with the NWPP DOUBLE ACP relative area. you're you're the founder of the local chapter there as I write. Off. and. Do you think that. Activism in and of itself. Is Some of what's what prompted some of the? Some of the hatred come out. That's absolutely what it is You know whenever you speak out about is just whenever you make people in the majority uncomfortable about the ways that our society is harming folks. You know like I said, you've got to expect anything pushback but what I'm seeing here is just It's just untenable if not, you know. It's not something that people should have to put up with. You know you're GonNa you expect the occasional comment like you know You don't know what real racism is or there's no racist here. But when people get into. Very specific episodes and like I said, veiled threats, it. It reaches another level and there's there's no reason for it toward me or my child or or anyone in my family Other family members are now being jagged think By people getting just looking for a fight. And I'm not interested in finding my whole point in doing this tax help racial equity peacefully because it's going to add one way or another, and we're seeing it's going to get violent. So until and unless people not just around with the white sox general, really start to understand the ways that Systemic racism by supremacy are embedded in our society and start to pay attention to that If, they don't do that. This will not end peacefully, but it will. Why just I'm just so worried for you know just so worried I you know. The more divorce threats I see the more you know. Hateful rhetoric icy even coming from legislators there people that are running for office. Across the state it's just. I wish I could say it's unbelievable. The level of just. Ignorance and hate. That people harbor but it's not it's a matter of. Working cow do it. Understand. Teach something different. This isn't your. Responsibility. Certainly. But I sort of wonder. What is, what is what do you say to somebody who is? Coming to you and making a comment reflecting. Real Patriot or at least a strong annoyance at being challenged at all. To. Change One's thinking here. What? A. First, off, let's think of an example of of what somebody might say indicate. There, they're having a lot of trouble with this stuff. One of the things you know look with the mild version, which is this wouldn't be a problem if he weren't bringing it up. You know and I kept my challenge right here. I actually think it's all of our responsibilities when hear hateful rhetoric or push back. Against opening our eyes, it is our job collectively. That's I mean I I, don't get paid for the devil ACP I. Do it as a Labor of love because it's really critical to me that. We we understand and work toward a more equitable societies and somebody says something like this isn't a real problem here. you know it was going to be an issue if you didn't bring it up, I can lean into that betray. It's like tell me more about where you're coming from with that, where are you getting your information or even using reliable sources the number of people just with those requests alone he's arguments are just completely dead in the water. Isn't mazing when it comes to You know. That's one example I should stop there. Did. You want more. Will. I mean I guess the then you you. So you ask them where they where they get their information and they don't really have much to tell you and so. Is there. Any any way to kind of. Change their thinking you know. So far, I don't think the conversation is really. Caused this, you're the person you're speaking to to change anything about his or her thinking views or even. Likelihood that they're going to continue to say stuff like this, right? A move that. Interpersonal and systemic right and was talking about a change on the interpersonal level like you and I are saying down a conversation if as something like that. And you know, I get curious I just ask more questions where are you getting your information like? What did you learn that? Like you know those sorts of things That have become curiosity about you know. Are you interested in learning something more? Do you want to know something different or is it more important to you to hold on pitfalls? Ideology. And figuring out if they're even that level of aware. Of their. Of their learning process. I find you know most people have anyone stop to think about it in Vermont because they don't have to. making them aware of the fact that learning is not just a passive process that they have to be actively engaged in learning and then inviting them are you interested in learning? So, that's good because I have no time if somebody says to be like talk. So let's go out to lunch. So I can tell you why you're wrong which has happened to me. In the last month. I. Mentioned tell you why the pride flag is wrong. I'm like, no. First of all, it's not enjoyable. The the second of all I have no interest in in. You, know. Being spewed more rate more hateful ideology. I know what you think the price tag is wrong. You've told me you think it's perverse. You told me that gay people you know that that's per person and look at you like all of the different rhetoric. Never put on heterosexual people So. When I hear that kind of thing, I'm not interested I'm aesthetic level and that's a lot of what I do with the N. W. C. P. is pointing out the ways that systems perpetuate inequity is whether that's data collection or more storytelling or gathering information about people's experiences here to help flesh out the picture for people. WHO MAKE DECISIONS? On a systemic level, it's about pointing out the patterns and making people aware of the history rarely. Do you hear somebody? In Vermont I should say although there are some legislators and He doesn't locally here in Rutland people with the pretty awful and just totally misguided intentionally hateful beliefs that are leading us. But from a systemic perspective, it's a matter of okay. Let's look at the list look at the info here, and there's a stately WANNA be in pushing for legislation and policies and procedures that are more equitable. When when you hear from say. Officials around the area stuff that the. What kind of stuff is being said that-that indicates to you that there's A. Real problem even among our elected officials and so on. So there is I don't know if you've seen it, but I'm trying to pull it up. Now while we're tracking a number of people here including the postmaster, the mayor several members of the select board. In rutland and then. walling even had an incident with a select number. Trying to use she's attacking children calling little. which is so wrapped in. Misogyny and you know anti like all kinds of horrible things But we have a number of their social media posts were there ranting and raving very racist and harmful ways I what percent that they even posted actually derogatory Derogatory Postal Larry Bird I think maybe a few weeks ago when folks the NBA decided to protest but somebody put together a website with all of the things that they've been posting lately you have time to deploy on select for the Board of Alderman talking about we don't need explicit bias training. You know it's absolutely ridiculous. We we don't need this and then. The next week around on his heels human the rest of the selective off the rest of the. Automates. With a few exceptions talking about how they need to be a big part of the nation beating Kreider or having a say ah waiter mascot change, which is a school board level decision and it's based on an racing races Oh. So you have all of these contradictions like racist racist this is I think we don't need to spend any time on it but when it comes to back Guy Hey, we're gonna you know we're gonna go across the boundaries of what has been set up. To, govern our assistant their school system and our select board because you know we're personally offended and hurt by this. As soon as a lot of contradiction and a lot of just hateful Intimation of being perpetrated by our Fire officials across wetland noxious. Bit Across. The. The State Administration Governor Scott and his people have have have. Have this stuff. Pretty right or. Or. What's your sense? I think there's problems everywhere and it's just a matter of whether or not we're aware of the week that we're perpetrating when I worked with Governor Scott Ministration number initiative and they have been Open, and willing to. Willing to work and to learn something new because they are not experts. And so they're willing to turn to the people who are experts in their own experiences as well as understanding how systemic racism. and so the Scott Administration has been willing to engage the things that you see the racial equity tax force, for example, They're they're willing to acknowledge. That you know are not partisan which you know the NWC the nation's oldest nonpartisan civil rights organization super nonpartisan as he gets racism has become a politic five. Apology. My dogs. Racism I'll banners of social inequities have become politicized. You know one of the first things you hear out of people, People's houses. You know, why are you waking political flag? Flag of. The political agenda and there's so much to deconstruct in that. First of all this, the black lives matter poof versus. The black lives matter organization not versus that know two different entities. Just so so so much this information and intentional Kind of red herring happening. In Anti Progress Movement that it's it's a lot to take on. So hadn't people like Governor Scott his administration being willing to listen. is a critical component. To Change and Certainly, there's a lot of a lot of lumping together. He's going on going on here. Where I see letters to the editor and other stuff Arguing that black lives, matter of folks are are all Marxists and so on and. One thing that that I think is worth saying is that under our First Amendment In the United States of America, you're actually allowed to be a Marxist if you want if you WANNA spouse the economic theories of Karl Marx and think that they should be applied to. The way government operates in relates to the economy and so on and so forth you are. You are allowed to say that stuff and so when somebody says oh my. On my word section sectors. Marxist I. Kinda go. Well. Said you know other people aren't. Any. One of the first questions I asked people when they like, what are you understand Marxism D-. Have you. Communist manifesto you actually understand what is saying. I want to understand that about you because I need to understand what where you're coming from in order to meet somewhere with you. would you do over the process but I mean we kinda digress it but yeah. I mean, you know some of the hate mail I get, which is kind of Ironic is that you know the end of lease? EP. The oldest you've been around one, hundred, hundred, ten years, hundred eleven, years actually and. End, up with some people like you know you F you and WTT blast apprenticed spe- you that rather be like no matter PPO completely different organizations. You know we're all part of the. Movement but you know that just shows you how completely Just touch people aren't they. They had no idea some of them some of them. No. Exactly looking intentionally. Those. That worry me. Tamatoa I'm wondering, do you have any? Any thoughts about A. Specific legislative agenda or other policy changes that you would like to see. In Vermont to try to try to combat. Systemic. Racism. Society. A lot of legislative items that I need to be addressed in one of those is even the the procedures set. The legislature uses to make laws I think at this point it's pretty clear that especially now the time of Kobe, we've seen how easy it is for asked to make Legislative or sorry. Committee meetings accessible to the public in ways that you know big previously haven't been, and so my first thing is you should be looking at how we even do legislation in Vermont based on technology in the goal is to accent is to maximize community participation and information related to what's going on in legislature. So that's big number. One is should even be looking at the process because if you talk to any legislator, they'll tell you that this is you know it's an arduous process right now it's a lot of rush rush and not enough information not enough time. It's it's untenable for everyone. I mean in a way that we do our legislative session doesn't necessarily work for. People who you know are Who worked fulltime, right so if you WANNA who can even participate Vermont legislature based on the way that we currently operate, you're eating out lots of different people and so do we want to vision re imagine? How can we even do that but I think it's time for? His boxes price that goes that being said I do think that legislative leader a lot of areas where we can be focusing on you know racial equity and injustice. The Racial Equity Task Force actually came round meeting with my staff. Myself Stuff Gillam, who is the president of the window Mary Blake and. The governor a couple of years ago on the heels of what happened. In. One of the things that we talked about was how we need to look at government operation. In ways that are not even just got operations, but you know, how do we define? How do you define He'd speech Tommy defying harassment because as technology updates as people become more savvy Tactics are changing and do we need to be we examining redefining that and so you know group will. have been selected but because coded the. The tasks have changed for that group. The mandate for that group has changed I still want to get back to you Howard legislature how our government systems are outweighed whether or not those maximize participation, not just black and Brown people but by you know by all people. In how much has governed? The list continues but unfortunately, we're out of time for today's edition to the Dave Ramsey show. Tabitha, I really appreciate you taking some time with us. This morning I think your your. Activism is. A welcome thing reminded and I. Love you for that enough. Let's. Let's call it today when this edition of the day Graham. Show thanks very much. We will. Have Another Day Graham Show tomorrow morning at nine o'clock con Wd FM and am meanwhile to now for Bill. Share Common Commonsense Radio. Does masks up in the social distancing stay healthy everybody.

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Mark Bell's Power Project EP. 217 - Matt Vincent

Mark Bell's Power Project

2:07:26 hr | 1 year ago

Mark Bell's Power Project EP. 217 - Matt Vincent

"Well, you know, that was a big difference with like track and field athletes, you know, like at a at LSU was that. It's an individual sport like you can't hide behind someone else. Right, man. So our coaching it's a weird sport. Because like we travel like we didn't have a curfew, we traveled co Ed and it was, like, what if you fuck up, we're just gonna stop bringing you two things. So you're left to be dumb, like don't do good in class. Cool. You're off the team. Real easy. Get your get your packing slip and you're out of there, right? Yeah. You know, I, I find it, you know, interesting like, how long you and I've been around each other. You know, when we go back to some of those fat owl days, do, I think the fat owls like dead. I gotta be the such improvements. Over the years. Listen, I know what's going on. I know what's going on with slingshot. We're gonna start making brief soon, and then it's going to be, it's going to be a slingshot that you can wear the shirt, I get it. And then we both balloon back up into second geared lifting I do have lawyers. This is all proprietary information. So, yeah. You're not supposed to be releasing this information quite yet. It's the slingshot with a back. What, what's this Al thing about fat out think we we'd met years before? I'd come out here and actually trained champion question Mark at the original right? Or not the original. But when you were still midtown and came out and trained in like a winded up doing some shirt at stuff and working together and then ran into each other at the Arnold and had glasses and it was fat, and like no facial hair. And I remember like we chatted for awhile and then you'd like said something to burdock, you're like who is that? Like like you knew you knew me. And like you know it's one of those like that is, but I can't ask. Yeah, he's like, Ben immersion. And he's met Vincent. He's world champion Highland games, and you're like world Chamie looks like fat. Not wrong. Yeah. The fat owl. I was thinking about this, too. Like on the way here, I was like, I bet your team could find the first time I was on your podcast because we were at gay at old. Jim Ryan the difference that we both look. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Since then, like, I'm seventy pounds down. Yeah. You are on the original podcast. I mean, are you a lot of people aren't aware of the greatness that they're in the presence right now because you've sat records on? Yeah. I've been. I've been most waste of people's time. Definitely top of the list, that's not worse now. But, like we, we've had you on the podcast shitload a time. Yeah. One with Kelly stare at where we went like three and a half hours or something like that. And, you know, we've been breaking all kinds of records. We both made a lot of progress. We both made shit changes yet. Yeah. Yeah. A lot. Well, I mean but. Sometimes the people set people say, you change so much, like almost like in a negative way you get that sometimes he of course, right? Like I definitely got people now, especially with the YouTube. Wow. It is he looks like he's been stung by. We are both the teams face found MacAulay Culkin at the end of my girl. Dead from these things. Your brother. It isn't bad. Also no beard. We were also pretty lit by the time we got there. We went to burger saloon and different. How did you get that pale? Winter, I don't know. Yeah. That's people form. Instill Matt roof that is not wrong. That is the strongest and most athletic I've ever been as we go. I now look like an athlete. We'll so that's that's a you know, a thing that, that you tend to kind of undersell LSU. No. That's not chump, change going LSU. That's, that's a big deal. Yeah. Track and field. There was fun. They rack and tracking they're very good. They're good in baseball and football. They're good. And a lot of sports at big d one SEC school in, in track and field. Cool like I was I wasn't okay. I, I think my best finish during college track field is I took a took a second at an SEC's in shot put huge. Yes. Never went to nationals or anything so. And as shot put hers, go. I mean, even though you were chubbier you weren't huge shot. Put are normally huge. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely some big boys. I mean you guys have had recent and stuff like that reece's. Big boy. And. He is easy to underestimate looking at the guy like you wouldn't think time, but the guy hasn't done anything over three reps as entire life, like, why would you, you know, he's got to be super fast and explosive for a half second, right? And then hang out for ten minutes. Yeah, we did some higher rep stuff when he was here, and he was dying fours. We were doing sets eight and the warm up. He's like I'm not used to this terrible. He's like my legs feel weird was like that's a blood. No, he's done. Nothing but Bill super dense muscles since he was tin. He's a mutant. Yeah. He's a mutant back to the changes. He get people kind of. Yeah. Of course. Right. Because I mean, I kind of the YouTube stuff went that way, along time where I was doing like flogging, and I'd, I'd done like daily video essentially for couple over year over year. And for the following, I've built there, it's one of these days, something's going to catch. And but it's going to change man like I'm not competing anymore and like then I'm injured like I can't throw I can't even lift the way that I wanted to lift. And like I did a bunch of videos, you know, documenting recovery, and coming back from knee surgery, and, like I had eight surgeries in three years, like how many times I going to document that surgery again, like, I don't want to tell that story anymore. It's been told and so it needed to change and people are like, you know, originally, I got on the channel 'cause you're throw in and doing this I'm like, cool man. There's other channels found one that you're into like this one's change. Deal with it. Yeah. I don't I don't do that anymore. And also where were you guys when I was doing it because, like, maybe it didn't have that many views or something? The same thing about teaching the bench. Like can you do a video talking about the lockout the joined the other ten million? There's a search function, right here. Well, I looked at like I went back the other day and looked at like old videos, rallying my first one, and there's some really good stuff that I need to revisit and do throwback to, because, like I have a video where I go carry the who CIL stone in Iceland. And the guy with me, cheer me on, as Magnus ver Magnusson videos, got, like three hundred native us. It's no one gets shit. And like Sam sense. Yeah. That's what I was doing. Then things have changed. Have you been able to make permanent change? Let's just kinda say, like we can talk about mindset and other things later but just from a physique standpoint, because that's a huge thing for people, you know, I was just talking to Andrew earlier today and it was like you know, we could get you apps probably in like six or eight weeks. Right. We can buckle you down. We can really focus on it. In seem has got a lot of great information. I got a lot of good information. And we can we can get you there. You're if you follow it offensive you want. Right. You'd have apps, but at the same time, it's like what's the what's next, you know what's, what's next? And so, for you this process has taken many, many, many years, just has not been a twelve wheel throwing room. Three years is essentially, when I first started losing weight from, from two eighty five to where I'm at now to lose gain lose a little bit up and down. Right. Because sometimes you know that you've lost weight, too fast and it's not sustainable. And so if you maintain that at some point, it's gonna crash, and then like, well, if I'm only eating twelve hundred calories a day right now. How do I cut more calories when I'm going to eight hundred? You can't do that. Then your body's just a cool, we're starving. We're not getting rid of shit anymore. And so I mean, I dearly, it's eat the most you can and still lose weight. Or, you know, make make those changes in for me. It was I can't be fat and week. If I was going to be fat, and, and able to compete, and be strong and be the best in the world and the thing that I gave a shit about them like we're building this for purpose. This is the machine that we're building and it built to perform in it. Does its job. Why don't need it to do that job anymore? And to, like, I can't train the way that I really love to train, which was how I was to compete, you know, really explosive stuff and being fast. So I can't train that you more. So I've gotta make changes and I operate much better with a carrot out in front of me to chase. And so, like, okay, cool, the new goals, weight loss which means fuck strength. Cook this, we're going to lose weight the scale needs to move and just the same way you attacks strength. Maybe took it to an extreme sometimes. And really cool. I better pump the brakes, of course, I lost weight too fast. This doesn't really look good, right? Yeah. Yeah. It just, you know, you end up losing too much. And you lose that, that, that full feeling of actually having some muscle and one of the hard parts of doing Kito as long as I did was, it's really tough to get a pump on Kito. If you're really deep in it, like you just don't ever feel it. And so you can do a ton of volume but it's not gonna build muscle the same way because your deficit, and there's people right now complaining you know that are listening to this like you can build muscle on Keita. But of course you can build muscle, but it's really hard to build muscle on a clerk deficit right at the end of the day, whether that three years, whether it's the eight plus months, I did, carnivore very strict or the two and a half years that I maintained Kito or you know, the vertical stuff. I'm doing right now and still dropping weight. It's doesn't matter which of those you, choose weight loss and weight gain or independent of the type of diet. You wanna run? If you wanna run a diet to lose weight you have to be in a court deficit. Also independent of your training. Yes, they don't necessarily have any do each other. They can. I mean you can, you know, you can do a workout that you could dance the workout and you work out a little faster w burn more calories. Maybe somebody can make an argument that it burns a little bit more fat, but we'll percentage are we talk right, right? Like an extra calories during your workout. We're, we're talking about a Hershey's kisses. Yeah. It's not a huge difference. Whether you're doing sets of five or six of twelve no, the training is a must just mostly for me for sanity like I needed. You know, I need that to keep to keep things moving because for training for me allows it's like I can make the body do a thing that I don't really have to think about a ton. And so it's that mindfulness bit that the brain can start to be free and think about other stuff. And solve problems that I've got with my life or day or or work or problem solve because the body's busy. And the dietary wise, it just was something that, like I need rules that are very, very simple that I can't build myself a loophole around. I'm too fat inside, like emotionally mirror cast done. Like I'm too fat internally to do, like, if it fits, your macro type thing, you I will completely cheat, ambulance was fine. It's not it's not this bowl of cereal. That's the real problem. No one got fat off a bowl of cereal as I say that for the hundredth time that week. But I mean the other stuff was really simple. It's like okay, cool. I'm going to eat meat. How long can we do that? Let's find out tastes pretty good tastes pretty good. And honestly, like, man, I, I'm stoked eating a rib eye in an avocado or a salad. I can eat that three times a day in be pumped. I liked the intermittent fasting. I've never been a breakfast person anyway. And I really liked coffee. How dumb did you think it was when he first started to hear people talk about it when I started hearing people talk about it and acting like this was the magic thing to drop fat? I'm like, come on, man. Like nothing's the magic thing, right? It's still a deficit and what this does was short the window up that I'm eating food. So I eat less food like cut now. Carbs. No, all the diets work. Eat less food, all the diets work. That's the thing like you can gain size doing carnivore Kito just eat a surplus of calories. I don't like what you're saying right now, I think this is Lana. This allies, but, but, you know, you said right now, you're doing the vertical diet and you're dropping pretty fast. I'm still in a deficit because you stay Zach stone the deficit. I'm curious. If you go back like, would you have just wanted to do vertical Ravin doing Kito for so long Noar? No, no, no. So whilst Kito for them. So Kito essentially for me was I needed a change, and I needed some really strict rules, took to figure out how many calories, I'm eating what portion size looked like because these are things that were just fucking out of control. And so being able to do that for as long as I did gave me some real insight to what food was also, I think Kito gives you a chance to clear, your good of trash and of bad macrobiotics and stuff like that. I think I think that plays a really big part in it like one of the easiest ways I kinda describe it to people like you know, that the first two weeks of getting rid of sugar like that craving, you get for sugar like easiest way to think about that as you're not really craving sugar, your body has yeast in it in the gut, and so east in the same way they make beer. Shits out alcohol, which makes you fat and converts, the body that way. So the same way you make beer the use dies when it runs out of sugar and stops making alcohol in the beer, will the yeast in your stomach and gut dies when it stops getting sugar. And so that's what the craving is, is the yeast actually telling you. I'm fucking dying get a sugar. Let's good analogy because it, it helps explain you know, why can't we just have a Snickers bar and be totally fine for a month. I seventy five because you're stu- your stomach is like crow like a wanting it. Well, it's because it's sick who used to. Yeah, yeah. You've taught the machine that this is what we eat. And so it learns to digest garbage you kinda and digest that bullshit better than the regular foods. I've, I. Right, right. If I. And so, man, you're, you're good health is a big part of it. And so. Learning that bit. And then saying okay, so let's get through this two week period. And then those cravings do go away. Now, your shit changes changes a little bit. And it has this weird streak where you kind of smell bread and beer and your shit. But then it's gone. Now, you can reflect this up by adding that back into your diet. So you just stay strict and I handle food and diet, like an addict, it is. I just have to eat good this meal. I'll deal with the next meal when I get to a but let's just make good decisions this meal right now. We'll, I don't know what dinner's going to be. I'm not saying like you don't ever get you know, I don't ever get a Snickers bar again. I don't ever get a piece of cake. Let's just eat this meal. Right. And then we'll eat the next one. Right. And then build that momentum. And then at some point like you feel good and. People with Kito it to me it just got crazy. With with people wanting to follow the rules. And so I still get questions with that. Like are you are you following Kito off answered now for the last year despite that being I am doing a higher fat diet? I'm not tracking Kito sus. So I'm not going to tell you. I'm doing Kito, I'm doing a high fat diet, my main fuel source is going to be fat, but if I'm not tracking toast us, then I'm not doing Kito and doing carnivore isn't necessarily Akito diet. You know what I did think both of those really helped that don't get talked about is both of them are gluten free for the most part. And I don't really have a ton of food allergies, but gluten still causes the tone of inflammation, that was another really big benefit for me that got me changed in sorted was whatever I can do to steal a couple points of pain away from my knee and for the last year. Being in chronic pain? If I can do an inflammatory or anti inflammatory diet, and I don't have to take medicine that folks up my stomach coup. Let's try that would leak. Let's try it. You what's the what's the harm in that? And then you have an opinion. People get so worried about, like not eating any carbs like if you're doing like a carnivore diet, and it's like, well, there's going to be days where you kinda mess up. You know. So it'll like auto regulate anyway, you're gonna eat some carbs here. And there and you'll have some glucose, you'll have carbohydrates back in your system, and we know that you don't necessarily need them, you know, to sustain life but correct. They can be crucial in terms of like your performance. And that's probably why you shifted into something more, like the vertical diet, but something really important to point out is that your metabolism changes a lot. A lot of people talk about the metabolism. But basically, you had a certain energy requirement when you were heavier yet, and your sleep probably wasn't as good. You were probably a little bit more lethargic, even though you got a lot of work done, and you were still productive in your world champion multiple times you were still, you know, still able to produce your caloric requirements were probably lower at that time because he were fatty, your body fat percentage was much higher. Metabolise. Garbage. And so now you have your metabolism kind of working in your favor. And now you can feed it things that will allow your performance to be better which will also alter the metabolism. You know, people always kind of forget about the training. The training is a huge element. There's so much that can be done through the chain training. Once you get kinda over the hump, but the way that a lot of people should be looking at this, and we talk about, like the white belt mentality a lot here is you should kind of think about it as progressing from one belt to another. Sure. When you're dropping weight when you go from being two seventy two to sixty you should be like, I now have the knowledge to be in the two sixty two to fifty range, and I'm not gonna go back the other way they don't take a black belt and make him a white bell, everything in your black belt forever. It's my understanding how it works, so you want to try to progress and kind of kiss all that shit. Could that happened in the past man? It's really tough that, once you know, thing to purposely, ignore it. Like that one's always been really hard for me. Because like then it's a choice like it's one thing that you can say, like look that they don't know better. But once you know, and people are educated like it's really hard to be like the fucking. I'm going to plow through this anyway. And then complain and there's so much of that it's that white belt mentality like take time to learn. It's amazing. When I when I first started saying, like, okay I'm injured now the goals, I'm going to drop weight, and people like okay, cool, so you're gonna do Kito. What are you thinking about cheat meals, and I'm just quickey talking about thirty four years of cheese. Let's let's hit the brakes a little bit in accomplish them ship before we start giving ourselves this Pat on the back. Like do the work can suffer a little man like we've been on easy street. And man, the diet is so much more a part of it than the training that the training for guys like us. It's going to happen. It's not a thing, that's like, well a half to go the gym like I'm going to the gym this needs to happen today. So I keep my shit together. And yeah, there's tons. You can do. Right. Like whether you wanna do fasted cardio. There's a bunch of little tweaks and things like that, but can not gonna eat like trash and still do fasted cardio in the morning and think that that's the answer. Like those forty five minutes didn't undo the three thousand calories Saturday you had or the three thousand calories Saturday afternoon. You know, people that ask those questions, like man of doing Kito, you'll Monday through Friday and on Saturdays. I like to have a couple of beers and hang out, my friends. I'm like, oh, cool. You're blowing it. Because what we mean, what's weight loss? Ideally, one to two pounds a week is super sustainable. And you kind of do it in. It's real weight loss instead of your body freaking out in the put it back on. So. It just people want the if it's one or two pounds a week, like weight loss is still like what thirty six hundred calories equals a pound. So you have to be an thirty six hundred calorie deficit during the week to lose a pound. You can fuck that up on weekend and gain a pound especially if your weekend starts on a Thursday. Allies. I like them. They're Thursday night football. And then they're you know, eating and doing all kinds of other other shit and getting way off way off way off track. I've always like giving my friends a hard time because essentially, I don't have a job like a real job. A real job. We'll call it real real jobs. Currently do not one of them. And so, like it I'll just all of a sudden be like what's the frequent weekend man. And they're like it is Tuesday like exactly. Do you have weekends anymore, like so I mean you handle it from meal to meal? Do you still get any of that trashy like off, like ever or? Yeah. Human every once in a while, like a every once in a while future me has to deal with today's decisions. Okay. And so, like every once in a while man like yeah. Like if I'm going to go to a celebration in someone's going to have something that's awesome. I'm gonna eat good. You know, or a rare times that I've decided to go to the movie theater, like, I'm gonna eat a bucket of popcorn isn't the end of the world, like sorted out the next meal, or whenever I do that. That's when it's really easy for me to switch back and be like, okay, the next three meals are going to be carnivore. And it and it rebalancing but it's got to be less than less than five percent of your meals. Get to be a fuck up because that's still a ninety five percent average you're still in a range. You don't get to make sees all day and hope it's, Nope. It's going to go. You can you can just backtrack so fast making poor decisions with it. And I just wanna keep playing with it and it's still deficit or surplus, whatever it is. You wanna do. And so now that have reached to thirty I want to get a little leaner, but stay here and see what I need to stay here and live at two thirty for probably the next ninety days. So that this has now become a new set, and my is like, okay we can do to thirty this really isn't an issue. And when I say to thirty I mean to thirty to forty like as long as it is to three. I am claiming. That thing can be two three nine point eight. We are to thirty months. I think it's important have arranged, you know, everybody, like, if, if you're a lot lighter than, you know, ten pounds of represent a larger percentage of your body weight, and it might not be wise, to have no town pound range, brought bad idea. But for guys that are, you know, to twenty plus it probably makes some sense, but I, I always thought that was important to five percent. Yeah, you should have a little a little cushion, you know, think about, you know, just it's okay to gain a little bit of weight, stress water salt like all these type things. I don't track sodium in my diet, Ryan. So hopefully nobody does. Oh, I live in south man, everything's covers so like, I'm gonna get the bloat and that's fine. What's the simplest way to tell someone about nutrition plan? Like what is what's the way that you could summon up the easiest to somebody that is, you know, two hundred ninety pounds right now. And they haven't they haven't figured it out. The easiest thing I always try to quit this. Like, how do I answer that in it is? Like I need to have a conversation with my mom who's never trained has never educated herself on any of this. Right. And. Okay, here's your diet. You get to eat these three things. And these are the only three rules that you have to follow all the time. Did it have a face cool? You get to eat that. Is it a green vegetable? The other thing if it's not one of those two, it has to be identified as a single ingredient. That's it. Eat in fact, for the next six weeks, eat is much of those as you want, like it's hard to fuck that up like. Man, and people people with Kito get weird on fruit because it's got sugar in it. And look, I've seen a bunch of episodes of my six hundred pound life, and they have never carved someone out of a house surrounded by banana peels. It's the apple. The instance you know what I mean, not promise. It ain't fucking bananas. Keeping your fence. It's integral is not the ecstasy. Oh man. Like. Big picture items like let's do these three and do them correctly for a long time, and then we can adjust and like if we're doing that, and we feel better, but we're not losing weight. Let's figure out in fact, if you haven't ever dieted or gave an shit about your, your food intake, if you follow those three you'll lose weight, because your body's going to dump atone inflammation at your good and fuck just cut alcohol, Al you'll probably end up eating less, you'd probably get more nutrients, right? You're eating better food. Be city is a nutrient deficient disease. And I think people always think they're getting a surplus, you know, that some of the thing about the ingredients is, like take some eggs, right? I think everyone like digs eggs for the most part. He takes some eggs, right? And then you add in, like cheese, okay, now we're at now we have two ingredients. We just made the eggs taste better. Now. What if we wrap it in a tortilla? And what if we throw in sausage, and what if we throw in a little bit of rat-a-tat oh now we can have a fucking party with that thing and eat those. Damn things all day long, because it tastes so good. It tastes great. You like you don't know how to stop yourself from eating it man some meals like you get celebrations, and you get time in your life that it's time to party like enjoy those parts of your life, too. But there's plenty of meals that are just fuel. And treat those that way, those are the ones that like we track. And I don't fuck up. So that the once a month, I'm gonna be at a thing or if I'm in Miami on a trip like I wanna Cuban sandwich on eating it. You know, 'cause if I got hit by a bus that afternoon, the last meal ahead was just a bowl of chopped up old microwave stake. I'm super bumped, you gotta live to and so, like find that balance. But man it ain't a fifty fifty balance. It's like a ninety five five and you just gotta hold it like it's got a matter to you. If it doesn't matter to you, and it isn't gonna work in your, your friends and family who don't understand your diet. This fuck them. They don't have to understand same way. They don't understand. They don't have to understand your goals. They don't have to go the gym gives a shit if they understand what you're what you're trying to accomplish in the gym. Find people that do stick around them. Get rid of those losers. It has to matter you enough to you like an can't can't let shit like slide downhill, you know, 'cause it starts a slide downhill fast. You're like, okay, we'll that wasn't that big a deal. And this isn't that big a deal. And that's not a bit. It's like oh man. Okay, well, now you're really messing with fire. You can really quick be like it's not the one meal that made you fat. Well, you say that enough, it's not the yeah it isn't the week shitty meals, like in the big one for me is like as much as I travel, it takes a long time to change your head to I travel like this isn't a vacation like I travel. So I don't eat like I'm on vacation. I eat the way I'm supposed to eat. I've also got to a point that it's very, very rarely to me of a meal, or a trip that I've been on that the food remembers to be a highlight, like I remember going to restaurants and conversations and being with the people on that, but I can't tell you what the food was on my plate. You know, but man needed that cake, I don't even have a thing to tell you about it. So if it's not going to register gives a shit. Yeah. Eat steak. Does it died still feel like a diet few point like, you know, it is life. This is a permanent change. I feel better. I am going to operate this way impossible to think about that. When you were heavier, though, right? Yeah. Of court like if I was like, hey, man. Here's what you're going do. And you're gonna do this forever. You'd be like, oh my God. I'd rather I'd rather just blow my brains. Oh man. God. And I think about the stuff that I was trying to convince myself was healthy years ago when I was eating would cause I was big trying to strongman in different shit like that, just the surplus of calories, I remember like L will chicken breast lead a ton of chicken breasts, because that's what you do your meat head. And so it'd be like chicken breasts, that I would put in a rap and then cover the rap with HAMAs, and Saracho. But I would eat it five times a day. Sounds pretty damn good. They're delicious. Yeah. Anini press. The like, like, of course, that's not working for me. And I'm also drinking a ton at that point, you know, not a ton, but I I all I drank. Never really drank every day. But when I drank drank, and now just don't at all not really man. Like one drink a month. Maybe I'll, I remember we you. And I went somewhere Davison here, like let's have a drink. And I was like I don't really do that. But sure. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. He just had a beer to whatever but yeah, I I've, I've been able to avoid that. Yeah. No. And the people that are lucky enough to be able to avoid that one. I think that's huge. Because that's a that's huge on your diet, because you have a couple of drinks and lowers defenses, and then you're, like, screw it. I'll have some cake. You'll have this. And look and people I did outside sales for ten years in the petrochemical field, and so seaman cement. Yes. And so many times like it's really easy to because of your job like you'll convince yourself like, well, I entertain until it's weird to not have a drink if your clients having a drink, or your boss, is having a drink like order a soda water with a lime. You have a thing in your hand at looks like gin and tonic. But it doesn't have any calories in it. So just drink. Now if personality wise, you feel you need a drink like sorts your shit out. You don't like men don't you don't have to be that, dude. I always thought it was kind of a cool thing to. You know just hold yourself to a higher standard. Now, you're of anybody or anything else, but just like they're worse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't you don't need that, like, you know, the people, you see people getting serve bread and before the breads, even put down the table, they're already like clearing it out pretty much and at a Mexican restaurant hard one. I know it is hard. And with that one don't touch them either send them back. Yeah. We're don't touch a single one, 'cause if you touch one your gate has been opened. Back. But I always thought you know, like why not just think of yourself as like, I, I don't want to, like the other people in the booth that are hammered, the, the garlic bread or whatever I don't wanna be like them. I don't wanna look like them. I don't want anything to do with those fuckers. Yeah. It's not Jay Cutler. You know what I mean? Like I don't wanna look like Jay Cutler. But I wanna look like him more than I wanna look like grimace. Right. They have different. They got. They clearly have different goals, right slightly different buddy buddy goals. So maybe there's something to learn from one side more than the other, and, like, whether it's been Kito carnivore, any of this. Like there's still a lot that can be taken from look what bodybuilders do. These are the most muscular leanest people on earth. And they are eating carbohydrates. Now, most of them, I really believe start from a much smaller size, and it's taken a lot of work to get big whereas like I know myself. And I know you, you want us to get big and strong. This is very, very easy, but it's gonna be ugly, but it isn't going to be pretty, but we can put on size. I think what you're down one hundred pounds. Yeah, I'm down seventy cents. My biggest, I think we could probably put that hundred seventy back on thirty days. We had. It sounds like a channel. That's exactly right. Some big boys got I graduated high school at two sixty five who I'm thirty pounds, thirty five pounds less than a graduating high school like most people, the day, you meet them, that's the lightest they'll ever be. For the rest of their life. Yeah. They will just gain weight, you'll just get fatter right? Like I am in door. I knew who it happens like what you gained less than one pound a month for the last, it's because I'm getting. It's because I'm getting announce it's because I'm getting old older. Just doesn't work. The same just been eating garbage for ten fucking years. That's always a good one. It's because I'm getting older yet. You know, I actually don't even really know the science behind that I don't even know how how much truth there is that I guess, maybe you could make an argument that when you're when you're nine you move less. When you know, you move less when you're fifty nine as opposed to nine years. All sure nine writes every living your life that way. Yeah. Like run around and jump randomly crazy person you would be if you just sprinted everywhere, around the office from room to room. Isn't that amazing? What a foot track or one of those do they do that. Still do that. She's like eleven. He'll still hustle around the house because. Phones. True, the now's your bones are made us stuff. You're muscles, don't want. Everyone knows that. They're not. I guess maybe they're not thinking about him. No. They're not. And also nothing hurts yet. Yeah. I mean, I think all at this point, you'd have to do to really torture me, as like we need you to sit cross legged for five minutes. I'm like, whatever you need to know everything about. Like that show, it hurt house houses, knee replacement thing going should have done a year ago. And yeah, it's I've always heard that said from people who do it in. It's, it's just true. It's different. And so you were interesting match and Rick flair came out and couldn't get to figure four leg lock couldn't get to the net was. Yet, you know, it was eight knee surgeries that didn't go. Well. And that's really the weird spot about mine. Is there wasn't this fall like there wasn't a catastrophic injury that really caused anything that had going on? It was just wear and tear. So I mean I did the whole Highland game career. I did without an ACL then and that's really nothing. Magic people do shit without ACL's all the time. He's talking tough guy talk. I like this I like where this is going a torn meniscus until I win any got that fixed. And when I talked to my doctor, he's like, well, your knees, not in great shape where we don't have a ton of cartilage over here, and this is looking this way like you're on your way to knee replacement. I'm like. And so he's like, so I was like cool. We're gonna finish this season two thousand sixteen. Let's do the ACO replacement let's do a clean up and do them in Minnesota, me when did those things in the AC L didn't take? And so when I went back in for my checkup like ten days after the surgery, they're like, well, the ICL didn't hold. Let's do it again. So now I've had a second ACO replacement in. Four weeks. And so did that one full rehabbed for four months went in and got an MRI done, and it's going, I'm a bodies. Just rejecting cadaver tissue for whatever reason. 'nother aco. Now, the knees trashed so we did this oats procedure, which I really believe that one's the one that gave me the most trouble. And that's these they cut these holes into the bottom of the femur and replace it with cartilage, like so cadaver Cartlidge, and so of the three holes, and we're talking about something thirty millimeter bagel. It's like a quarter they cut this whole into bottom, and they plug it, and one of them on the inside of money, the, the media side, just never healed. And so there's always this void behind it. And so the bone never quite got blood flow back and so for the two and a half years after that, like every time I'd step or do something, it flexes. And so there was this stabbing pain, and, and to the point of, like you can't cut through it, it was just like a switch getting turned off of, like, no, we can't we can't be in that position. So anything single leg support like I just couldn't do. So chronic pain changes goals really quickly from like I'd like to get back into competing note, I wanna not hurt and chronic pains tough, man. It make coward at anyone brings up some bad days. And it just it's it's like having someone tap you on the shoulder the whole day, while you're trying to be busy and get shit done. And like pulling it your shirt and asking you like, hey, hey, I need your attention. Hey, hey, and as soon as you stop to give it attention. It doesn't give a shit. It just keep saying, hey. And you don't ever get to turn it off. And like I see people that can freak out going through it, man. Because I mean, I've never really battled with depression stuff, but a bet it's the same way that it's, it's always this thing. And I think people just get so desperate with pain, or whatever it is that it gets to this point of, like I just need ten fucking minutes. Man, if you can give me this time that this doesn't hurt. I can I can recharge, and I can deal with it again. But you don't ever get a break. It's, it's Chinese water torture, and it, it'll break you. And it does depression, never never settled in during all these surgeries and stuff. I get weird post-surgery because a pain meds, but I'd get off as soon as I could I believe pain meds, serve a purpose like if my pain gets above, like an eight I need another option. And that's what they're for. But if you're taking them because your pains at a three, they don't work at an eight a big issue taking him to his you're probably. Going to be less motivated to move around and stuff, even though they can help you move around. They can help you get up and down some stairs, and stuff like that. But the second that you start to not move, I think, is when people really run into trouble was that your situation you were you were still. You know, you're probably thinking, okay. I got the surgery this socks that had ninety seven surgeries, but I gotta keep pushing forward, you have to well, because the business doesn't run, I still have responsibilities. I can't just sit like my hell I don't if I'm not working in creating and doing like I don't have a paycheck and so it's got to get done now. How much can you compartmentalize and get the job done? But at some point during the day that cost is paid. And so, like you have to give it attention. And there's there's definitely dark times it came from it, man. It it, it changed a lot. It changed a lot of my perspective. It changed a lot of. What, what became important to me and? It for me really got to this point of, like, okay. So this is how it is at thirty four. Within I can't do these things that have been planning on doing. And that was really the first ton of moment, got of that of like tick tock, because, you don't know what tomorrow has the guy, I don't have a guarantee that I get back to my hotel today, and I I'm okay with them because I'm going to do what I feel. I'm supposed to be doing and living now. And now that I've gotten to a point where I can do that, like it's different getting out of pain, like there's a lot of great lessons that came from those years. But you've got to get out of the woods to apply would, if we just apply different words, you know, rather than saying, I'm depressed. Which is like, you know, I hope if somebody is depressed they can admit it and talk somebody else about it. But at the same time for some of us just kind of feel sad on a given day on. We just kind of understand. That's okay. Like holyoke in eighty. Okay. Like I'm fucking bombed like this sucks. I, I can't move around the way that. I once did. But, you know, plying the word sadness to it just makes it seem like it's going to pass or depression. You're like, oh man, I'm I might not, I'm not sure how I'm going to get out of this, which is different when people are scared to ask for help. I mean, I've, I've gone to therapy in and set and talk to people in have an unbiased party. And I'm lucky to have the greatest network of people in friends to, to bouncing. Thank you. I appreciate and there's, there's still rough days, you know, because as much as the people around you and your friends who get it. They don't have the pain. They get any it ain't their thing to deal with. Yes. So they're, they're there when you wanna call upon them. They're not like randomly there just because you're like you know what I mean? Like might check in on you here and there. But for how long how many years how, you know how after how many sir because people still got their own shit. Right. Everyone does, and it isn't. They didn't bail on. You. Does her on a different path, right? And those past diverge. And so may, I think about that with Neil L may getting sick with cancer and passing away, as, like, meanwhile, my mom was there. And we had hospice in all these type of things that's his fight Nick unit. You don't have someone else in there with you. It's your fight. You're the sick one in like I can't I can't go and understand it and so pain pains tough one and like I'll always have some like, I don't know what is erosion is something I learned from pro wrestling, which, I learned a lot of amazing things from which is kind of weird, but one of them was check on people that hurt. Like the that's the thing that you all do as, as a wrestler. Somebody breaks breaks an ankle on the show and you find out they went to the hospital. We all call we check in. Maybe it's not the same day. Maybe it's within a five day timeframe or hey, man, how you doing checking in, and I always try to do that with you, and then me and Berbick? Would actually be like quite concerned about. And he and I would talk about you be like him. I think he's on, you know, surgery number three or something, man. I don't know. Like, you know, how's he doing, do you, have you seen him lately? Like, is he doing okay? Well, yeah, he's looking pretty good spirits seemed. Okay, cool. All right. Well, let's give let's make sure we give them a call to make sure we say what's up dude? And, and all that goes a long way. Right. Always think about that, right? Like because I'll even do it myself with friends who've who are in a bad place or whatever they're going through. And you're like man. I don't want bothered. Bring up the bad thing, right? But as someone who went through it. I never felt hassle by my friend checking in so like take that advice that like you're not hassling a man now you don't have to check in and need to hear their whole life story. It may just be okay. I was just thinking about you wanted to make sure things are cool like, anything you need. How, how are you? Most of the time. The answer is gonna be like, man things are okay, I'm fine. Blah, blah, blah, but it's enough. Like those little things they make a big difference to people and it, and it's important to. It's important to give value to that bad time. Right. Like another one that I've thought about through this, and I get it a lot now is so many people will say thing to me, and they wanna compare pain of like, well. You know, you're doing all this on this knee and like, like I all I had was a C L, and like that doesn't make your thing, not suck, like we're not in competition on pain, like there's an unlimited amount of it, and yours isn't lesson too, because I've had more you in the same well, same way of like, how many guys do we know that, like, I felt that way for a long time like friends with Derek Carver, you know, guy missing a leg at the hip, who's had ninety surgeries, you know, blown up and his other legs in bad shape. Fuck am I to complain about right? Like I have a leg what, you know, he and are going back and forth, and he's like, dude, I just wanna say how motivating is seeing you go through what you've gone through, and like mine space. I'm like, what are you talking about? Right. And he's like my leg doesn't hurt. It's a hassle, but I'm not in pain. In like that perspective changed the law that, like it's easy to think, like I don't wanna complain about the shit. I gotta complain about because someone's got it worse. Like it ain't a competition like everyone's dealing with shit. And everyone's dealing with a maximum amount of shit that they can probably handle right now. You think there's a specific reason why you, you know kinda needed to go through those pains, I, I realize this is not like a. The, the, the knee was hurt from recreational stuff that you chose to do. Right. Like occupational hazard. I guess. Yeah. Right. There's a risk inherent with. Yeah. Accomplish. But at the same time, you do you feel like you need to kind of go through that for specific reason or anything like that. I guess you're still going through it to go. Do I think everything happens for a reason? No, I don't -nother shit that sucks in this world that you can look some someone's kid didn't drown while they were at work for a reason. Right. Shit happens. Right. Kids, don't die of malaria, because of a greater plan. So, like no, I don't believe that, but I believe you make the most of the course that you're dealt, and whether I wanna piss and moan about it or not. This is the path, I'm on. And I chose that path. I also wouldn't trade a healthy knee for the life experience. I got competing for ten years, and I'm aware of that, and I own that this is the risk that comes with doing what we do, like, there isn't any safety, and it's, it's, it's fuck your elbow. You know what I mean? Like, man, chances are at the end like for me. I'll take the life lessons that I've got that have come with it and it's. The life lesson of like make today count because you don't know how long you got. And if I'm thirty six turned thirty six April sixth gut knee replacement, April ninth coober day. Like if that's the case. And I'm halfway through my life to seventy two which is relatively realistic for the way of treated, my body, plus genetics and family history. Like that's eighteen hundred sixty weeks left to live. Right. And as of today of eight weeks post surgery, I'm now. Eighteen hundred fifty two weeks. And that clock's ticking, and whether I'm safe and a play easy, and don't take any risk, or I spend all my time. Compromising same number of weeks like both of those both of those paths are always going to end in the same place. You can live the rest of your life as a dick, or you can be nice or you could help change people's lives. Or you can you could get got your choices right, right? And everyone's got their choices. And I think everyone gets to make a decision what risk they're willing to tolerate and for me, it's, it's life experiences. Really owned. The thing I care about. I don't give a shit about big house in cars, or any of this type of stuff. It's life experience. Man. It's conversations with amazing people in getting that perspective shift, and then it's putting stuff out there, whether it's the podcast or sharing my perspective on pain, or any of this, that maybe helped someone else, dude. That's the ripples that you get to leave in the pond after you leave. And that's. Your best chance of immortality is the ripples left behind and like, how do you get to affect the boats left on the water? And so I'm glad I went through what I went through. But I'm glad I'm out of the woods to apply it. And I'm not still stuck there and it's it's a tough one because. Hey, it's coming gonna get older. I'm gonna hurt I'm gonna die. I just don't know win and that's cool too. But I sure shit ain't going to wake up at sixty five and say, I could have done this, or I wish would've tried that or always wanted to go to the Grand Canyon, or always wish I could have seen this, like, no man go you went to the Grand Canyon with Kelly. Strutton Tim Ferriss. Know weird weird trip last year to we have have you ever given up on yourself, even if it's just for day? No, no. Is it doesn't do any good. Like I mean. I guess a weird spot is, is like you know with, with my dad, right. Like I mean, dad fought cancer, and did all then at the end finally a finally committed suicide. I mean would have most likely starved to death that week? But had the chance and made his decision hit the off button. I'm aware off button exists, if I'm going to get to a point and give up. And it's sitting there at us today, not to, and it's always a choice like I have the right to make those choices every day. And I don't I know a way out. And I don't like that any better than I liked the opportunity of what tomorrow is or could bring. And I'm glad that I'm not in a spot that just thinks Everyday's worse than the day before. And I really feel that for people. That are that are in that situation man, that depressions, fucking ugly, and it's tough, and like having your ability and stuff stolen from you. Is tough. But. One way that I think combat's that is make sure that what you're not doing is focusing on comparison. 'cause what is it throw has a quote, that's comparisons of thief of joy and has lot of truth to that, that it's easy for me to be like. Fuck man. You know, a guy that I talked to a lot through the niece dose, Brandon lily, and what's easy for me to look at him. And be like I didn't even have a major injury. And he went ran a fucking marathon on two of the shittiest knees that have existed in the last decade. I'm like, thought. That's not fair, Tony shit that ain't fair. The fuck is fair. Meaning like you, do you dig your own grave, and he also weren't seven born seven foot to right? The ability to play the piano, when you were five or whatever he'd be like it's equally stupid as if I was mad at Hathor for looking the way doesn't I'm not a good strong man. If it wasn't for that high school coach, I would have played NFL like no you wouldn't. I was six five. Yeah, right. Congrat-. You're not in ticket. If you were five two. Can make? I mean your, your mom is still around mom still around doing well as a recently started Kito, or following dietary approach trying to sort things out. It's comes harder to ignore when the people around you because Andy's healthy. You know. And so both of us are like she sees the change that we've had in our bodies and how we feel in all this. And like you don't eat that one. Right. And, and for her it isn't the choice of eating bad. They don't know that generation doesn't know right? I mean, look at us growing up like how many times did you go to a restaurant with your parents and probably sucked down a three liter of soda? Oh, yeah. Every time you know, and never think about like, oh my God. I just put two thousand calories of sugar in my kid like weird. He has behavioral issues to make any old people eat like they're now in a hospital twenty four seven they eat like shit. Yeah. They, they eat like. Sweets and eat like salad. They this eat like, we really weird and they never long as old life steak, or some old people we have to define as like our parents generation now. Right. Because the generation of their parents did not eat that way. Right. My grandparents didn't they lived to be millions of years old, my grandmother died at, like ninety five and smoked packs of cigarettes, in her kitchen, cigarettes are great. But the biggest thing for me is, if I look at, like what she ate she really never ate processed food. She she's from generation that cooked food have that for I. Yeah. I think the dietary shit. We do is way worse than anything else. Go people eat like wheat thins, and he's a little snacks, all day, and then it or not hungry enough to get to an and younger, people are guilty of this, too, but just observations travelling in Owen, seeing people, you know, choose food, you know, in like a, a hotel or something like that, and you watch. They're, they're passing by like the cottage cheese and the hard, boiled eggs. And it's like can't we just make a little pit stop there? Can we just grab a little bit? She's gonna play get some protein they're going for the granola like they think that that's healthy. That's been because we've been that's been marketed to them. And so it's like how many grams of protein to these people getting a meal ten? Right. Like saying that marathons snicker bars is any different than the actual snicker bar. What? That's all eating for the last week sweet. And then also ignoring sleep to write to sleeps, a big one just seems like every like the previous generation, they they're kind of reaching for the medications whereas before them. It was not really a didn't it didn't exist, even my mom. Right. So she came and stayed with me post-surgery when we're talking about diet stuff, and it's funny to hear what they'll latch onto and decide that, that's the focus. So I'm explaining three simple rules of diet and then explaining some Kito things to her. And then she asked me to what supplements on my taken. I was like, wow. I've taken some college in support stuff. And then apparently that's the only thing that she's missing. No here. You're not listening. I saw them talk about Allen college, and I'm like, stop, you don't need any supplements you need actual food, eat real food, and that, that's the big one. And I don't think it's a conspiracy year any of this shit to make people sick or the healthcare industry like. It's. Are a my, my grandparents generation that, that are people that survived like the great depression. They didn't have food and they didn't have the option of McDonald's, or any of this until they were adults and already set into the pattern of food that they ate now. So made the move, but my parents generation eight that shit the like from the time that they got free to start making their own food decisions that they trash. And then my generation, we were just given trash from jump. Because because it's available, we just didn't know any better. Like I just don't think we honestly new. And so it was like, okay, cool. So we'll do less fat, like if you want people to be less fat. Let's eat less fat. That makes sense like that adds up don't want that have less fat perfect. Meanwhile, let's get rid of anything in there that has any nutritional value and just put Trent like just filler of shit. And of course, you're good health dies. And of course, your body can't process it and like all these things whereas. Like you just have to be smarter with it like there's only two fat things on this entire plant. It's people and animals that we feed. That's it. The only thing that's fat on this never like, oh, my God. Look how fat that zebras. We feed. Right otherwise, they die. That's how it works. And like you gotta take some, some stock in that, that it's your choice in the foods. They're just find a way to get some kind of control into whatever. Gradient whatever method, he got single ingredients pretty solid. You know, because the ADA cashew have have some academia nuts have like a I don't even care what not it is. But don't eat the Honey roasted chocolate covered almonds on bro. My whole life. Chocolate covered fire. Ants, right. What's your favorite fat snack, UMass? Oh. I love a lot of stuff. That's my problem. I think, oh, Bill. I loved it. Now. I've been to talk over a long in a long time. I didn't craving Taco Bell lately, too. Let's put on says, go. Don't wanna get growth size though, man. You gotta get size. I will shave that monster. We get pretty boring. I like like pizza and ice cream and all the all the regulars but I love peanut butter cups. I'm a sucker for that your cuts. Did you do any like the ice cream replacements of halo? Top upper no, no. Like when it was time that she I just got I was allowed to cheat, and most vice grip. Yeah. Was able I was able to get after it a couple times, which was oh my God. Is that me, we know manatees of the past, but you were saying like, you know, things that are fatter just us in our pets, basically. Right. We'll take this guy. Right. Like it's the same thing as gonna hippo fat, like that's what they're built to do because they need protection, buoyancy events, right there. Just as fat guy's pretty bad. He's so fat, it can't even get his arms down the sides. Think about the bench. Drove he's got. Yeah. He's got the fat powerlifter bent. Elbow thing. There's just constantly stuck. Yeah. Stuck in this fat state. How much do you miss the glory days of power? Well, I watched west side versus the world in it. It brought me back. I loved it. I thought they did a great job. They did a good job to it's a complicated story to try to tackle anything at west side and Lewis Simmons and the whole thing. And they did the, the absolute best job that I think you could possibly imagine. I thought it was great. You know, I think I think there's a couple of things to look at, you know, the I look at strength, right? Like there's a couple of really important pieces. And for me, it was like realizing that some places have gravity that you can't put your finger on. And like, whether that's the who Savell stone in Iceland, or west side, or another, one to me was, Dr Douglas Edmunds house in Scotland, one of the places I stayed whenever I was over there Doug Edmunds, like helped get world's strongest, man going, his son Gregor makes all the implements were world's strongest man. And so, like I was in his living room one day, and there was a contest that happened to be there for. But, like in the course of that afternoon like a journalist came in and picked up some things. And left and like caz has lived at that house and John Paul stigmas and lived at that house for a period of time. And then. Like Mark Felix came in and Benedict, Magnusson came in and like all these people came in and left and, and it was just one of these things. Whether it's his house, or it's west side, or it's the who's AFL stone. There's a couple spots on earth than like if you stay there long enough. The strongest people come to you. Q don't have to chase them. Like if you want to sit long enough at the who Savell stone. These strongest humans on the planet will eventually show up and that's weird. They the fucking rock. It doesn't care, right? It doesn't have a single feeling about it now. And it's it's because they're just so driven by that one thing they just they literally just they wanna get stronger. They want to figure out a way you know how do we get stronger? I, I do think I do think there was a couple of things absent of the movie like obviously these guys are on performance enhancing drugs. But I, I just thought it should have been something that was at least grazed over, you know, some somewhere in it, you know, the. Yeah. Right. They did talk about, like Matt demo and I realized that's not the direction of the movie, and maybe some of these guys were kind of fearful that something would happen or whatever, but I just thought it should have just been mentioned, like they could even just saying that they compete in non tested federations. Like they choose to, to, to not be tested, you know that. You know, that, that would at least give you an idea of like that was kind of one thing, another thing I thought they missed out on which I think is really important is that myself and Dave Tate, and Matt winning, and some other guys ended up going on to be very successful and it's because we were stamped by Lewis Simmons. We were stamped by Westside barbell, right? And I think that, that's something that as you get out of there. Yeah, I know. I know. Right. I think that's I think it's kinda cool like it's, it's different, right? It's Louis is a mentor, and he's also a madman in a lot of ways, and he's going to break a lot of people, but some people that can kind of hang in there and have a mentor, that's balanced and lives. No comfortably in the right head space is gonna change not going to change your life. No, you need you need to get close enough to that. Fuck and fire to at least see it, right. Right. And then people like Louis like people don't get it, man. Like, don't give fuck right? Like, none of this should like the business or any of those type thing matter to him at fucking all it is that Jim bury me in it? Right. And most people don't have. And that's something that's not really mentioned in there at all. I don't know how they would mention it. But like how successful of a businessman he is. I don't know if anyone knows I you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I think I mean first of all he lives in Columbus, Ohio, which is. Just different, right. But he's, he's very, very well off. He's very comfortable. Yeah. And which I think which I think is great because he it's. But it was it's American American dream. Right. Like his wealth is a side effect of doing the thing that he loves. And he's passionate about only giving shit about that passion like gyms moved in its head rough fucking stretches. And then. I mean I bit cross fit saved Westside. Yeah. In. Oh, you know, I wanna get stronger. I mean, what, what, what amount of equipment has Louis moved through rogue? Oh, yeah. Huge amount stuff like this. Right. That's the marketing power. Why that movie get made whereas the other stuff that's got made like barbells are in more people's hands today because across it. Yeah. And assure shit ain't because a fat dudes and Ben shirts across it went to Louis, you know, cross with went to Louise Simmons and he, he ran their power thing certification courses huge few massive. And do you need you need unbalanced people like that to, to drive for a while to see? To push limits to see what, what humans are capable of. And that's another thing, too, whether we're gonna talk about the drugs or, or any of those type shit. Right. Like. Like powerlifting cross fit whatever sports, it is, all of these things can be healthy, if you want to participate in them, weight training is healthy. If you wanna participate, build muscle helps your metabolism can get you stronger support your skeleton. If you wanna see the absolute strongest that you can become as a human, this isn't healthy anymore. We've waved bye bye to thing. We are on a burn. Now how long you get to burn before you get to get out safely. I don't know but it's on a burn like had a conversation on my podcast with a Steffi Cohen and she was talking about the program that she ran to get her dead lift. And she was like, look, it's brutal and this and that, and I think, I think, Dan green wrote it and she was like it was really, really tough in that when I finished it like it took me six or seven months to get my back to chill out, again to start training heavy again. She's like that program was like, whoa, it worked. And she was like, well, I'm like you wanted to be the strongest woman that's ever existed. And the program worked. There are consequences, but a program like that, or pushing hard or any of those type of things and. We've all been in that moment that, like dude, you, you gotta treat it like chemotherapy, that this will work as long as you can survive long enough to let it work, but on a long enough time line it wins. And you die get out before then, and that's how it's got to be treated, whether it's the insanity of business, or whatever it is, like, there's, and you get stretches of I can go, go, go go, go. Okay breath, but eventually, you'll lose. Are you frustrated all the kind of shoved out because the knee injury? I don't know man. That, that's a weird. What if right? Like I would have loved to keep throwing. But you're like in the middle of it of right? Yeah. Well, last time I competed I took second in the world. Yeah. And then never competed again, though, still with the issue. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was, I got done to fix it. Like there wasn't. It was just it was getting worse. And so when I got out in two thousand sixteen the plane was take the year off recover and then get back to throw it is there something in your head about possibly being able to compete. No, I was in just master's, or for fun or something or eight. It's just for fun. Right. I mean. Let's just for fun. And they don't know that. No. Too good. At it for it for it to be just for fun. I know I know what the training requires. I know the cost for me to be as good and committed to it as I was. I know the other things in my life that will suffer, and I'm not willing to do that anymore. And if that's the case will then own that you're not willing to do it, and, and I'm not. So the same spa, I, you know, I remember watching videos of you and something that always stuck out was, you know, you would post up like your warm up or whatever and your your sh these different stretch progressions you'd go through and stuff. And I was like, he just did like I don't know fifteen or twenty different like stretches all warming up all the and you're, you're following this program, very specifically. And then I'd see, you know, the next video, you'd be out in a field throwing and you've got specific shoes on with fucking spikes, on, like I'm just thinking in my head. This takes a tremendous amount of work, you know, here he is in his garage. That's cool. Like a lot of people can go in their garage, and train the people have weights, but then till like load up your car with stuff and to go and put these boots on and do all these different things in their own afield by yourself. And yeah completely. Yeah. Always by always by myself in the garage. In a through by myself for ten years. And I was just thinking to myself, Mike, can't do them like I can't like that anymore. It's not for me. Like, I, I admire I think it's awesome. Unlike shit, man. This guy is driven this guy's going to be able to figure out anything. He wants. There's, there's a lot that comes from that, that you learn from, from that, that alone time and for me, one of those lessons that I learned from it was, I don't need anyone else to give shit about this. I care I'm going to do this, because I care and like the guys that competed with right? Like I'm six foot and was to eighty five at my, my best throwing weight and the guys I competed against were they look like my brother. They're, they're six foot five and three ten. The average size games pro figured that out with he's got to be some weird milkman rock NGOs. Brother looks like he could have played in the NF did play hockey just play. He's also still throwing a not hurt. A different baggage medics, right? Like different skeleton different abilities should kick them off at all. Maybe he can't kick them off the team. Big busy doing as well as you were. No, no, no, no, no. But I mean, he did pro- strongman for a while played in the NFL, begging Jack though yet. Okay. That's the point. And you know, moderately successful still Olympic lifting. Yeah. And still trains, hard and still doing Highland games. He's forty and hasn't had any significant injuries. All men. That was we. It's got to be addressed. Oh, no. Yeah. Matt was trying to you. Can you can actually hear me in the video? Oh, no. Realize I'm in trouble. Matt was trying to make the slingshot go viral. And this was his version of on his Instagram says the most popular thing I've ever posted. That's awesome. How many views this thing look good thirty two thousand oh, no looks wait. The old triceps gave out. Okay. Yeah. I don't have a caller on the side. So you could throw the bar. Elbow sleeves on a have a slingshot on. I got a belt. I'm done up like God damn Michelin, man, we go. Oh, it gets worse. Oh wash my stupid legs out around. You know, how did you make up that waited side buying? Oh, god. You're such a fat kid. I was getting ready for the, the classic like one of the last word that's coming. It looks like a polished workout to make you. But that last little finish writing touch on your training. Yes. Hurtling don't. Plus, don't book callers on your bench. Tell us about, hey. I know we've talked brand. Yeah. I know we've talked a lot about it in the past, but it's just been a while, since we've had you on the show main thing I want to know to start out is how did you like, and we would have talked about this on the podcast as well. But what was the, you know, how did you make make the decision to like dive all in, you know, I know I know with your pre you had a previous job for a while, and you were contemplating and going back and forth and lost a job and said, we're giving hell yeah. So what tell us about like kind of the progression of that. And maybe some advice to someone that has a job because we hear people, you've gotta follow your passion you have, and it's like, hold on. We need to police now a little bit because passion is not going to pay the pay the mortgage or anything. So I mean, also just because you're passionate about a thing, and you're willing to work hard, does not mean you get to be successful at it like there's some other intangibles that just like. You also have to wanna make thing people want. Right. And so. I had the opportunity I you know, I had developed a message over a couple years and enough, people were interested in it through the training manuals I wrote for the Highland games and kinda talked about the mentality. I had was the hate, and that was really the thing that got me in the field by myself and training by myself was because I wasn't little undersized and I did have because I don't have the genetics of some of the guys, I competed against. And so, but that's it's not something to be Pissy about, like I can't do anything about it. I may as well be mad the sky's blue. And then maybe you just make decision like okay like I'm undersized but I'm not gonna let other people win because I'm not prepared. Right. Being out worked as a fucking choice, and then like being at worked as one thing and the other thing that you can polish as an athlete that I don't think enough people do is be a competitor. And for me, that's, that's the other part like it's the spread hate, and it's always party and the always party bit man was like the big when it comes down to was, I remember like world championship two thousand. Fourteen in Scotland. My main competition, the guy I'm throwing with. And like we always went back and forth on, on world's like we. We are a half point away from each other going into the last event heavyweight for distance, which is a fifty six pound. You throw as far as you can. And like this is a good event for me. Too good event for him. And by this point like, there's twelve people competing, but with a half point difference, I just gotta beat him, and I win, and I remember feeling it in like getting ready for that event in like all I could think in my head was, like you haven't worked hard enough for him. Like you have an trained me you'll bleed to beat me today. See if you got it, I'm gonna fucking throw far nephew can out throw what I'm gonna throw, which is far, then you've earned it, but I'm going to perform. And that's the part that I mean is like a competitor. Right. That like. Whether that or like getting a chance to turn it on, at the classic I went into that with a bunch of like four twelve and benched four forty like I'm gamer, like now's the time to perform, I am confident in that environment. I've done it. Enough spent ten years doing twenty twenty plus competitions a year. And so, like, I'm real good at being able to flip that switch and have that confidence in myself like when it's time to do a thing I will perform an out get it done because I do and I don't back down. And I don't let the anxiety and butterflies takeover like those things are firemen. We also have a lot of experience like in, you know, in, in your work like when you were doing sales, which is like, you're, you're trying to sell something to somebody who probably doesn't want it probably see you. Yeah. They don't want it. Yeah, you're coming back around again, this year to see if you know, and they already know they don't want to and they already got their budgets, set. And you got. To figure out. I mean, all those things they play into all this. And I think it's a huge factor for people to figure out ways to, to kind of fight through some of these things fight through some of that anxiety lean into it. Well, I think so people are. Failure. Avoid it. That it won't. I mean, how many people do you hear that ask that question of, like, well, I don't want to do a meet in until I can hit these numbers or like what, what numbers do you think I need like motherfucker, I think you need to compete because if you don't know how this works in how I'm three out or what the feeling is, and what seeing other people move around in, like being in that environment. You're not going to be okay. If you got the numbers in training, it isn't the same. So you got to build that repetition to is being a competitor know what? It's like that morning when your guts are a little weird and not panic about illegal. It's cool shit three times this morning. I mean, some probably ready to go like that's a good sign. You know. And then being used to that or like, okay, I know my shoulders a little stiff, but I know that if I spent a little bit more time doing that this morning before the adrenaline, kicks in, we're fun. And that comes with that experience like you've gotta be experienced and get those ten thousand hours as a competitor to, to have that confidence does man, when, when it's good. And when you know that you can perform there is no better feeling than on game day when things lineup and all you have to think about is just pour the fucking Kohl's to it and step on the gas pedal. There's nothing better than when it's all working and it's just like we're untouchable today. Let's go, but that only comes from having that time under the bar and having that time performing when it counts. And so me, whether that is cold calling people for a bunch of years as an outside sales, rippling give a shit about hearing. No cares move on cool. Ed exact same thing, going for me before I heard, no as I did hearing. No. But I gotta get so many knows to get to. Yes. And that it's a numbers game. And so then failures a better teacher than successes. Sara Blakely who has saw recently at a speaking engagement, she is the woman that own spanks. And like you know, it's cool to see all these speakers get up. At the summit that I went to. And, you know, she just knocked shit at all of them just because of, like, you know, what spanks is in and what it got to and stuff like that. But it was amazing that her upbringing. She said that her dad told she'd go around he'd go around the table every week and he'd say, okay, what did you fail at this week, Sarah? And if she didn't have anything he'd be mad he'd be like, no every every week, we gotta find something, you know, to, and, and then he would make a joke of it. So like the kids would be like, well, you know, they called somebody up, you know, they ask somebody in the in the class, if they wanted to be called up to draw picture of a tree, and I really screwed it up. And it was likely and data to be like, oh, that's great. That's okay. Cool. You know, and then they go to the next kid and whatever it was trying all the ball or whatever I mean this slingshots us never gonna work. It's still not there. No. You can't figure out a way to get it to go. It just it just amazes me, how many people use the cell perfect travel around a gym with a bum leg. I'd like to talk to you about the power slingshot she'll just like. Gable? Name tags as elder Matt pull it out of a briefcase with the von man. I like this a lot brilliant. I'm into it was like competitive fire go now though. Work. You know, like, whether that's the podcast, right? Like for me. I still get that kind of charge pre podcasting because there's that moment of, like fuck man. What are we talking about what you were talking about right now? Right. Like that feeling of like okay and I'm nervous going in, but I mean I've done eighty episodes now and it's never failed but I'm still nervous going in right? At what point do I just accept it? Like this is probably gonna go, okay. Yeah. But I think it's good for you to have that feeling to have that little bit of. That, that, that exciting, the butterflies like that's why do and you still get that with the other things that you do incur. Yeah. Like, whether it's a big release that we're doing for hate or something like that or business wise or making decisions or deciding to go do a bench, only meet like it's just the ability to flip that switch and perform, when I say fuck and perform right to tell the body that like backseat today, we're driving, and we're going to perform because we said, so and that's podcast because you're tired, right? Like, you know, I have one of those I spoke like I've been doing seminars up in, in Canada for this company. Good life fitness, bunch of gyms and stuff like that. And so I'm teaching their trainers. So we talked about some maximal training. And so I went and did one and flight got screwed up. I was supposed to get in at, like nine thirty. The night before and the scimitar starts at eleven. I ended up because of flights and weather. I got in. Like five AM and then hour and a half ride like I got to my hotel at seven AM without any sleep and was at a seminar to teach at eleven. So I got up at nine and went to the gym and did an hour of training to, to get that reset. And then I did the five hours of seminar and talked and at the very end of it, I was like, you know, I didn't sleep last night, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But we're gonna fucking perform today, because this is what we do. Yeah, this is the job. And no one gives a shit about your excuses man. Everyone's got him. And so, like, I get the poor that kind of fire into that. And I'm trying to figure out how to you point that fire on other people. So they feel it, and they and they feel that bit of, like fuck man, we can do more. It's ripples in the pond. Now it's trying to make that effect. And it's you know, the business and trying to figure out what bits and pieces and figuring out that puzzle. Well, you know what grows it because? I'm running a different business than say marks running. I don't I don't want home base to build a team out of because I want to travel constantly and go and do. And so I've got people, and then I've got people that are all remote, whether that's my marketing people, or any of these, but I don't see him a most of the people that work for me. I've never met a person. Well until I mean look, there's cost that comes with that, too. Right. Like advantages and disadvantages? Sounds easy. There's no, there's no free lunch. No matter there's no easy money out there. And then it's now I'm starting to pivot and there's been a handful of companies that have reached out that wanna work with me. Because I've got a big network of people, and I'm not full of shit, and I can create content. And so I'm back doing outside sales against actually, which is, which is cool. This is a skill. I have I'm at a point where I'm not arguing that I'm a salesman. I know that this is what and originally when you kind of started this, you probably thought, oh, this is gonna be cool. I'm going to work for myself someday. And like you're just totally not. Well, right. Did that, you know went ahead to bike, shop, you know, years and years ago and that failed? I will not work for me. Again. Sure enough. Here we are. It's weird though because I think the perception is like, I'm going to do this thing. I'm going to work for myself, but you really there's really not such a thing you know, it's just you're just part of a team. Yeah. Right. Always part of something. The best thing that you always selling to somebody. Yeah. Always and the big part of like you deciding that it's your name on the front of it. Where that really comes into plays when someone has a problem with what you do is you own it. Whether that's a fuck up with customer service, a bad product or we designed to thing, and then got in two hundred of them were thousand of them in their shit. I eat that. That's not this other guys fault. I'm not gonna tell my customers like well, the people that we had made it didn't do a great job. No, it's my fucking fault. And that's where you get to be the owner. You you're that guy that takes that hit instead of me saying, well, the lady who so in tags on that, you know, pay that it's her fault like, why would it throw her into bus man? That's my name on it like own it and apologize and don't lie to people. Make it right. How can we fix this? Some people just wanna be pissed, and that's fine. Yeah. But I mean for the most part, like even just reaching out and being a human people are into it amazing what that gives them because they think because of popularity or whatever else that you're not really a person, and it's easy that you'll never see this comments. I'll just leave him. Fuck man. No, it's got to do it all. And I love getting to do what I do for a living now. Absolutely love it. And I want to continue to do it as long as I can. But also don't have a problem if this fails like I'll get a job, I can work hard work's, not problem, which is great because most of the people in my generation are fucking terrible. Makes it easy makes it easy to look at this is great. You know, if I got to compete with you assholes rest of my life. This is good. I never had participation trophies. Man. I don't mind failing. I don't need a Pat on the back. You want to get more into like public. Speaking type stuff you think I like it. Yeah, I do. And especially when you hear someone do it who's good at it. Like a buddy of mine. Derek would ski is one of my favorite guys to listen to talk and he's so fucking good at it. And then, you know, hear him say, like well, I started looking at public speaking stuff when I was ten I'm like fuck. Of course he did. I get isn't just an innate gift is like, wow. I've got a speech impediment, and Bobo, blah, and of learned how to use a literal fashion and things to get around it, and not say words that trigger it. And so, it's always fascinating to see people's journey. The man chances are if there on that stage near there listening to him. They've had it like they didn't get their free either. It's always been a fight. It's, it's those type of things and realizing like there isn't. There isn't one day of business that makes her that makes your business there can be a day of business. That breaks it, you can fuck everything up all in one day, but you can't build it all at once. And so it's just gotta be this steady hill-climb, and there's always going to be a weird peak, but understand that spike that happens today isn't sustainable and figure out how to hold on. Because when it slows back down, we still gotta keep climbing. And that just comes with experience to of. I mean, do you have a moment in any of this, that you would say like that was the day changed? No, right. Whereas because I show up once a year or you know a few times a year. And I'm just like Jesus Christ, dude. What's happened since last demos here? Oh, I guess, you know, because you're, you're, you're too close to it. Yeah, I guess it just added up of and dry. Yeah. I think we just kept reinvesting in us. Right. And he also on that point for people that are trying to, like, quote unquote, make it. There's you can't you can be in search of it in L by just working hard. But if you're really trying to look for your action ever gonna find it. Well, it's a weird. It's a weird thing to say out loud, but it's. You're not gonna you're not gonna find that one big boom in and in you're better off just not even looking for. No. And anything that we've ever seen that way. Right. Like, whether that's a musical artist that has a thing go weird in viral load thin, cool. You're a person that never got hurt from again. And I've never I've never wanted that I've always wanted sustainability, and, you know, for me, that's curbed a lot of the content that I wanna create like I didn't wanna do any of the trendy videos, or any of this, that could have may be sparked, and maybe that would have changed things. Maybe non may also wasn't sitting on a ton of viral ideas. I tried not to do so, you know, there's talent net, you know, look at something like what Bradley Martin's done? Like there's tone of talent being able to do what he's done now. I'm not that guy target demographic, he's not trying to sell a bunch of shit, the thirty six year old guy and so like realize that just because it isn't your Cup of tea doesn't mean it's not valuable and. Got to be you got to be willing to risk it. And you gotta be willing to listen to the failure. Like, that's that's a big part of it. You just keep keep making progress. Right. 'cause. You can just quit and stop. And that'll be the end of it. That's, that's a failed. That's stop but. You gotta you gotta just keep moving forward. And whether that's the rehab or any of that, like, what's the other option, some fucking, couch and quit. It'd be bored to tears. How was this was it summer smash summer strong summer strong store, next door next, man. That is. Of the events that I attend every year. It's it's in the top two, and it's so good in. It's so remote evading in the one that makes summer strong different than a lot of stuff like, whether it's the Arnold or any of these things like. The speakers at summer strong or the guest attending like this is a professional strength and conditioning thing. These are NFL NCA coaches. These are professional meal strength conditioning coaches, and no one there gives a shit about your following. That is not the place on a lot of these guys. Don't have hardly, any flock. They don't care. Yeah. And but they're insanely knowledgeable insanely knowledgeable. Right. Because they've carved out their own niche, and they don't have to play that game or don't want to cause. Late like a guy like cow deeds. Right. Like he's incredibly intelligent strength coach from Minnesota. A wildly talented guy with his training system, try phasing, and then the RPR stuff that he does with tissue work that kind of Polokwane did a lot of count doesn't run his Instagram. He doesn't give a fuck because he's making athletes better that he actually gets to put a hand on and he's probably doing. He's doing just fine. Right. And so. Guys like that. Like it's a different thing. And so going to that type of event and feeling part of it. And for me, it's still a really big deal to me to feel respected by that crowd of coaches as an athlete, and someone putting out content. And not being a clown. Like I don't wanna be that looked at that way in even if that meant my brand makes more money is okay. I'm doing fine. I'm not willing to pay that cost. And so it's look everyone's got their own deal of success, but you don't get to I don't get the bitch that the following's not bigger if I don't wanna play the game and there's a bit of the game that you gotta play if that's the goal. But if it if following isn't translating, two more dollars and better target demographic than like I don't. I don't wanna bunch of trolls, because they showed up for my ten thousand calorie challenge video, and now five videos pass that are confused. Like what the fuck is this guy doing at why is he talking about rehabbing his Neil the time, like I'd rather have people who give a shit? You know. Are you still a blogging? You still filming a lot of these things. Still travelling film, quite a bit. And it's slower than it was in part of that. Just I switched to giving more of a shit about the podcast because the belong got weird man because my group of friends got weird. And so, like we've known each other a long time, and it's one thing that if I'm going to go and travel and be around, someone who also does that for a living, you'll Meg or any of these other people. I'm friends with our Barton GIO. Like they're not weeded out by camera, but becoming friends with, like Kyle Kingsbury and Aubrey in those guys at on it like. I'm not bringing camera into aubrey's house around those people while, I know this would be content people wanna see will, then I'm a fucking outsider and I'm not invited. I'm I wanna be there. So that's my time, you know, or no. I didn't post anything of two weeks of that Grand Canyon trip with Tim Ferriss, I'd rather Tim be a friend, then me exploited him for a bunch of fucking strangers that I don't know to be stoked that I was near him. Well, it's also like just respectful. I mean, you know, all remark is, Kyle Kingsbury, Tim Ferriss, some of these people they might be like, wait what he filming for? Right. You know like that. Like they're my man this isn't why came together or not. Yeah, they're not you might be kind of like ruining their trip. Exactly. And be aware of that, you know. And so for me, it got to a point where the blog. I felt a bit disingenuous in not sharing my life. Because my life was doing weird things and but I didn't feel so connected that like a half the share this like it wasn't worth the payoff. Like I'd rather the long term of, like build relationships with people I really like that. Are that are interesting? You know, I'd rather be able to see those people want to come to town and, and be treated as a friend and not. Okay. Cool. He's going to be film and then fuck internal on. I don't want. I don't want it to have to be on, because I'm around like, I'm okay with us cook, and some food and sit on the couch because I want the relationship. It's easier and more fun. Yeah. Yeah. Looked at time and a place to work, and then figuring out the separation of those two helps. You know, like I tell people all the time, like I've known you a really long time, and it took a while for me to understand, like the difference in Mark being on for work, and then the guy that I've known a long time sitting on the couch shooting ship. Right. And sounds like okay. This is what we got. And realize that my ongoing to lunch with customers for the petrochemical job is not the same dude that in here talking about this. Right. And this isn't the same guy that sitting at my desk, editing. Like there's everyone's got different different gears to put him. And so it just felt a little weird to keep logging. But not in choosing not to share stuff. But then talk about, like, well, did blah, blah, blah. I'm like, we didn't show any. Right. Just rather not mention it. Yeah. It's not as it's not as, as exciting and stuff. Now. I know what you mean. I mean, you don't want to. Film, every aspect of your life and have, you know, so so much out there all the time. I mean, sometimes you just don't even want to film or be films. Yeah. You just want to be present. Yeah. He just wanna be doing your thing. There's also nothing worse than spending today. Editing yesterday. Wolf takes a toll. I don't you like hire someone for that stuff whereas you want him so on the road? Right. So then I've got a VIN. It becomes weird to right? Like, if some of these situations, I'm in, like I don't wanna bring a third on the Grand Canyon for two weeks with me to film. I don't wanna bring this third. This third party who isn't friends with the guys that I'm hanging well to bring a camera, also, maybe that's different. If I've got ten million subscribers in the group, I'm not that, dude. Right. Look, if Tarantino wants to show up for lunch and bring a camera guy like no one's going to piss and moan about it. Meanwhile I show up, I'm a dick. Eight weeks past your surgery. Yeah. Totally eight weeks man. You got a new knee got whole new knee and is there any pain, not in the joint. I still have some surgical pain, like it's stiff. And so I'm still working on range of motion and my hips. A little jacked from walking around on the limp for a couple years. And he only got one good, but she using any like anything to help with the pain of far supplements. Go mind Bellizzi CBD or anything like that. Yeah. You know, mind bullet crate him have been good. I've been using crate him. Chris put me in touch with that a long time ago. And it's been a really great change. I knew a long time ago that opiates or a thing I have to stay away from now with that said like they serve a purpose like I said, if you're paying threshold hits that eight the Geneva thing, and that's why they exist. But the medical industry doesn't. Operate with like, but I'm always in a two like why be profiled my cool kill miliver? Like, that's the option like destroy my insides and ruined my gut health, and do all these other types of things. Whereas CBD whether I really, really liked smoking CBD. So couple of companies like Blue Ridge hemp banned cured nutrition, both make a bunch of great CD options. So I like smoking it. The tensions are great to just really easy, and then topically. It's been really great. So I'll actually use a CBD oiler rub in then do like fashionable and scraping and stuff over the the injury. And I get a lot of relief from that then marijuana's been really big for me, especially with down regulation being able to sleep those type of things and then turning off the insanity that is going on in my head constantly of go and do this. Need the hamster to get off the wheel for a bit. You mess around with any like mushrooms or anything like that mindsets. Wiser just for whatever reasons. Yeah, yeah, of one of those things for you. I like it a lot. I think I'd recommend it. And I think if people are ready for that journey the big one for that one that most people aren't ready for is that if you're going to go down that route of Silla Sivan is. You're handing the keys over. You. You don't get to unring that bell. Once you've decided to start, you don't get out, you're on the ride and just listen. And there's placing sentence settings. A big one. So I've had good trips in bed trips good trips like easy, when, like may go for a hike things are great. You're outside, and like there's so much input that the mushrooms, get to deal with until like it's like the vibrance has just been turned up on what you're saying. Everything's just better. And I ended up walking around and like breathed really heavy and I just like giggling. Some stupid thought him again and like plants get a little geometric and stuff like that. But then I've also took some getting ready to go on a hike. You know, pretty big dose and hike, we were on really bad, like it was this paved quarter-mile thing instead of the five or six mile thing that I'd planned until I was back at my truck like, when things got back into me. And so Ashley drove at the time. And like we'd ended up going to like this brewery, and we're going to hang out there. And like I remember like I'm gonna need a minute in the car to get my shit together before we go into this place. And so, like, finally felt like I had it together, and I walk in is just. Worst environment, imaginable is super loud. There's a shit ton of people. There's a bunch of kids loud, you like they're not even playing any music. I remember like just walking in and I was like, who looking around see the group that I'm with and got over to the table and sat down just basically got in the corner, and like sunglasses head down and in a in a bad place. Like I am very anxious and a miserable being there and like see some kid playing ski ball, he's probably ten and like at some point he's playing ski ball and then SEM like take it and like, look around, like no one's paying attention so you start to overhand in them in there. So this point like I'm just drilling is through him. I see that your shot. I know that you're being like I'm ready to fight this ten year old fight his dad, like because you're not parenting. They've taken a weird turn. And so I'm still not vocalizing anything to anyone. And so I kept just picturing this anxiety that I had as a snake eating its own tail. And so as long as I wasn't going to give it something else to feed on it will eventually eat itself, and dying. So just shut the fuck up not every environments supposed to be good for you. And that's what I got out of it like today's lesson was things aren't always great shut. The fuck up sometimes like don't ruin the other seven people. You're whisked, good time because you chose to do with thing that made you feel weird. Get you chose to be angry. You chote and this was the lesson today. Right. So listen to the medicine. I think they're great also there is that's one of the few times, I can say that during the last couple of years, that I that I am completely pain-free is like if I'm microdosing or something like that nothing hurts. Why's everybody say, microdosing as opposed to hero, ick? Dose. What's up so heroic dose with mushrooms in forgive anyone if I'm not the smartest on this whistle. Sivan would be something like around or over five grams in that's considered a big dose, like don't make plans be in a good place. Now microdosing would be like a half a gram. It's enough to know something's in your system in it's just enough of perspective shift in your head that you just see things a little different is anything like crate him. No. Now even big dosa. Crate him doesn't go the same. Yeah. I get crate him to me at a big dose can feel more like an edible marijuana. I say edible panties. Can't be good. Who's the last person you'd want to eat some folks? Too bad. That's next next competition. Jim someone loses, I think all pennies edible, just for the record. If you believe you try hard. Well, they're going to come out bad. It's going to be bad. But I, I, I recommend trying stuff. Right. Like. I don't I wouldn't give an opinion on those things without knowing about it. And I'm definitely interested in especially. Friends, I've made that I'd say dabble more in that realm, right? Like I look at those people, and I think, fuck man they're not bitter. They're not angry and they definitely handle problems at different way, than I'm used to handling problems. I think I spent a lot of time similar to what a grew up with of like immediate response to stress in a situation as anger. And no. And then I'll backtrack and figure it out. Whereas now that's not not the thing that don't harbor, a lot of animosity and I don't feel scarcity about a lot of things, whether that's pain, or love or fear, or any of those things like those, those are all things that, like, we all have our own shit to deal with. And like you don't know everyone's path, and you don't know what they got to deal with today before they got to you. And so my give people that buffer and some people are assholes exists to not. Everyone's inherently good. In people people as a whole probably aren't. But there's enough of us that are that you can find him and you don't have to deal with the ones who aren't. And it's it's that feeling of just. Like he got the opportunity with most people you meet to either be a positive thing. They think about after that interaction or a shitty thing. So just choose to be the good one, you know, whether that's people that reach out to you in, like, hey, man. I was thinking Bill trying to weight loss and like immediately shoot themselves in the foot with, but Bobo Bobo, blah, like why not cheer them on? It doesn't cost you anything, but, you know, maybe you feel like you signed them. A thumbs up. Fist-bump. Yeah. You know, like come on, man. Like I want you to do better. But I can't do it for you. It's got to be your journey, but I got your back. If you've got questions, ask. So it's good. I'm I'm definitely interested in trying other stuff. I'd love to I'd really like to do Iowa's, God like to do some DMC stuff and see those things. I think that shift in perspective, especially with mushrooms. The, the biggest one that happens with a big dose of mushrooms as you realize. Other things exist. And now you have a doorway to him. What do you mean? It everything feels connected, like I'm far from total hippy in, like one, a hug, a tree, and I'm not vegan. But on a pretty good dose of mushrooms, like steak would probably bummed me out. Because you definitely feel the difference of gets a life form like I'm definitely bummed out. It would bother me to like, cut down a tree. Like all mushrooms because because it's a life in, like, maybe think about you ever see, like a time lapse video of a plant growing in you actually get to see it, chase the sun and do all this. I think we'd feel really differently about plants if they operated at the same pace that we operate we'd be like, oh, that things fucking alive. You right. May don't see it. Yeah. But because it's so slow it's easy to write off is not a thing. I mean, there's a reason that grasp puts off the smell when we cut it it's to warn the other grass that something's going wrong. And so it changes I can't director like these are alive, things that are part of an organism. And so I definitely feel more part of the whole when that's happening. And then maybe it's just allowing you to get somewhere that you, otherwise wouldn't be able to get too much like the feeling of working out like having a Cup of coffee much like have an alcohol, right? I mean, these are all things that that's the whole point in taking him as a perhaps take you to sometimes good. Sometimes not good in your your case of wanting to kill that kid. Yeah. Right. But they didn't take you to a different spot music, music. Right. And, you know, the biggest change is, I would say between like say alcohol or. THC cannabis or pot or, or mushrooms, is like alcohol cocaine, or like anti psychedelic they only play to your own ego. And you're the most important person owner. Pot people get a little paranoid, right? Fuck maybe you should. Maybe there's some things that you're not addressing. Listen. What are you nervous about what are you feel about? Maybe this is the thing that you need to think about and same. Same goes for those, like, no one's over smoked enough pot to go to the bar that they need to take their shirt off and fight a guy that's not how that situation works whereas alcohol changes that side in the ego gets really boosted. And instead, you get way more introverted and get a little bit paranoid about the shit that comes out of your mouth and think. Maybe want to be a little bit quieter like I'd rather go to that place. Then a group from full of drunks. Or bunch of dudes that are coked up. You know, people that are considering more of what they thought about, and how they're part of the bigger picture, or any of that. Right. And you know about as close as I can get too. Big picture stuff is like, I think we're all part of something bigger, which is just like the universe, and we all get to be part of that. And there's amazing things that we get to experience in our limited time here on the planet. Plus the limited bit of the universe. We even get to go look at like it's all here on earth. Whereas there's this infinite everything elsewhere, but there's some shit here. An amazing people and that's red be part of it. Don't be part of the problem and maybe status quo for a lot of it's the problem. So shake it up, but have a smart enough vessel in message that the shakeup doesn't scare people off. Because those people to did you ever feel any not necessarily a withdrawal. But like kinda bummed out after you come down from like mushrooms, or something like that, for sure. Like there's definitely so the bad trip I head the fuck up there was I tried to do too. Big doses on two days in a row, which is rule. Number one, you're not supposed to do. Like you should have like a Ford four or five day time between. So that thing you're levels can reset again. New new dangling. Those new navigating those waters, I didn't know and bed trips happened, man. And with that said the bad trip I head is still probably the most informative growth. I've had from any of those that have taken the other ones have been fun at school walking around the woods, and everything's nice and shiny and your giggly but I didn't learn a ton man. Another one is, is like take it and find, like isolation, find a dark room that doesn't have a bunch of sound and just. Whatever they wanna do is what shows up. But sounds like a scary rollercoaster willing to do that work. That's the hand the keys over right? Like this was the choice today. Now with that said, like I haven't done any in. Year and a half. And it just hasn't felt like the right time. Do you see things that aren't there? No not. Okay. Like I said, no, not all the time. You mean in general like I mean like you know, when you're on mushrooms, he can't even say. He's like much you definitely you definitely like there's visuals for sure, right? Like the best way, I can describe it is, like it's, it's altered like we like one of the hikes, we were on had this big overlook. And so what I saw from that, like it wasn't like trees were talking to me, or any of this fairytale bullshit, like an have cartoon animals show up, or it was more common. It was this overlook of mountains and trees and stuff like that. And there was a point where like all the trees looked like the end of peacock feathers. And so they were all just super colorful and swaying with the wind that's about the biggest shift in visuals are now is in Sedona, and like looking at a mountain and win things had kicked in, like the mountain that I was looking at turned look like it was made in Minecraft, got really geometric pixelated yet. Like, all right. Probably time the head end. We're there. Begin any like ideas for the company when you're taking anything. No more more just personal stuff. Right. Leg and listen to it like a, you know, so sitting in Sedona, I was in a backyard, and like looking at that mountain in the backyard, I was in there, like four or five rabbits. Cruising around the eating grass and selves into watching that. But I wanted to go inside and find dark room and let that work happen, but I couldn't bring myself to get out of the chair because I thought it was gonna scare the rabbits away. Oh, two. So that type of stuff takes. Like something special happening in the moment right now. Don't fuck with it. So that type of stuff changes inside your head it trust insurance. I've been yeah. Since Mark, and I went to Austin whip hanging, I've been trying to convince them, hopefully we'll get a shaman in here, do some I-. Wasco oh shit. We had let me know. I'm down. Let's do it. Somebody on the podcast. You get my photo shoot. None weaken. My schedule is clear. We had somebody on the podcast recently that gave me some mushrooms, and I actually tried them one day, just kind of like yeah. Just walking around. I didn't feel a ton of impact because I just took like one, okay probably like a half really small amount. But I took some on a flight as well which was interesting. Yeah. Strategy. Wow. 'cause I was like I'm going to, like, just close my eyes and listen to music, okay? So it's not the worst. I close my eyes and listen to music, and I was just seeing all these crazy colors. And I was probably halfway like fallen asleep. And, you know, the flight attendant like you know, bumped me to like wake me up for food or whatever. And the guy was like you were probably having the coolest dream ever. He's like you had this big ass smile. And I was like I was like, yeah. And he's like I just need you to select your food or whatever. So man. Yeah. It was it was enjoyable. That's great to hear, you know. But what? And what they talk about with my interest in it stemmed from what they talk about changes brain with a neuronal neurologically that's the word that sounds great someone dub in a better word there. We don't have the machine for that. We're getting into politics. Is that kind of throughout time like the way that you problem solve kind of cuts these patterns into your brain? Right. So like if this is the route that we always solve this problem. That's the one that gets more cut in. And so you're sign apps is fire in that order in that's the way this works. And so the other options over time think about him growing dusty. They don't get used. They kind of fall apart and break down the way like a road would if you're never using it in. So what mushrooms are LSD do at a microdosing level start repairing in clearing off those other pathways, giving you more options to problem solve and more options to address problems and maybe go to understanding and compassion and empathy instead of anger, and the ego, and I would say empathy is probably a trait that I was able to get through the last couple years of surgery. And the psychedelic us is one. I. We wouldn't have said was real strong Cryer to that would be impotency. Endless tight. I mean, it's I don't know, for sure. But I think it's decriminalized now in Denver. It is criminalized. You can't buy it, right. But in it's still illegal federally is a bunch of bullshit. But look, man, we're get one step right? We're getting there, and then Missouri, does something like weird abortion law. So like our country's very changing, but I think it's going to go on the ballot. I just wish at some point for calico white men would leave women in their bodies alone. Whatever they wanna do is not your fucking business. Just. Go being? Let them vote on it, right? Maybe let them vote on, right? Like, what are you guys think? We're here. Let me. Abortion absolutely against the law criminal punishment. Same for the doctors. What about like, like even birth control? Like. No, we can't make that something you just have that goes against this. What about maybe mandate men wearing condoms uncomfortable? No doesn't feel uncomfortable. Come on pick a fucking route glee. Just let people make decisions dude. That's, that's what I want, like I don't like adults being told what they should or should. That's really where I fall on most political topics is, you're an adult, you pay your taxes, cool. Do whatever it is the fuck you want. You want to chat to your face. Sounds great wanna smoke pot all day. I don't give a shit wanna take heroin. I don't care. Either. Does that affect me? Nope. Sounds good. But you get the consequences of those actions. You know, in, in the same way that, like, you know, makes sense, I have smoked a lot of pot with the last couple of years of surgery and I live in a state that ain't legal consequences for that. That's better than me being addicted to opiates, as far as I'm concerned, and I'll deal with the consequences if I have to face it. Pick your poison. Right. Right. What he'd been up to lately travel, man, travelling around traveling around kind of what I want to do more of his hit the road, and you're in nor Cal. What do you do in a north Cal? It really just wanted to come out for a week going to come out and train super training for a week and be here and exist in a place. Right. Instead of just be go work work work bail. And so. If. Go home for two days, and then leave for six and go home for a day and leave for five or like I got a job that allows it, so, like, why can't I go live in Reykjavik for three months? I don't have an answer. So I'm just gonna go and do as I want to. Goals com. Plan, you visited anybody else, Agassi Kelly, damore go hang out with him a little bit. And then down to LA for the Anaheim fit expo with monster, and then home and then out to Pennsylvania, for the Valla vent, that Robin Danner, putting on at the gym for the veterans outreach workouts, can be really awesome. We've got. I'm not even sure I should be on the list of people because it's like Robin danine Jay Cutler, and like Casey Mitchel, and then broke ins and charity wit, and body Schroeder like this great group of people in its amendments, and I'm like their full even do world champ. It's big fricken, too. I know I threw rocks in a few. You know. That's cool man. It is cool. And I'm stoked on. Yeah. You know, I wanted to that's some people that you've been stocking for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, it was stalking them for a long time. It's just that feeling of Ling. Well, I so really weird like first interaction with rob was, I was in LA. He was in L A. And we had been exchanging messages for a bit. And so finally, he's there, I was like, dude. Let's go get lunch. We go have lunch and he gets a call, I guess, like a little bit through lunch, and it's his brother and essentially that call was set up as like I don't know, this guy, give me a call halfway through launch in case. I need a reason to leave, you know, like get stuck with people you don't know and yeah. I mean, do you know how it is, especially like at your point, right? Like how many people wanna pitch you the greatest business idea and they need your pocketbook and heart horsepower to make this thing successful? And so you never know what my intentions are with lunch, and so I fully get it. And so, like we finished up launch, and then podcast isn't it said his brother called him later, in, like his brothers, like all right? So what did he want? What do you want from us? He's like nothing. He just. Like, how do you say, like, hey man, you're a thirty five year old guy, and I'm thirty five I think we'd be friends. Hang out. He that's a sick bike. I'd like to hang out more with you. If you'd think that would be cool like we're busy. So it's weird, but, but yeah. Like like him or wind ler any of these people, right? Like I want. I got read friends, I wanna be valuable to that. Friendship is just a dude. You can count on that isn't fucking need a thing from you, man. You know, I got my own thing, and I'll forge mown path. I just want the rats people around that I can learn from to. Makes sense to me. Where can people find some of your stuff and you, I hate met Vincent on Instagram could say that again? Yeah. He right. He's a worst. Youtube is Matthew Vincent. I think if you search it at this point, Matthew Vincent pumps up everything, and then the hate dot com is where the apparel is, and you got any any plans for the next couple of months, traveling anywhere else. He mentioned thing going. Thank you travel, lot travel overseas and stuff. I don't have any overseas triple plan at liked to head to Iceland and spend some time there. Again, maybe maybe October November, but it's starting to get cold there by that point and dark cold cold, but it's not crazy cold, then it's looking. Minnesota's worse than Iceland as far as cold goes Aisin's, an island. So it's still pretty temperate surrounded by water. So like it doesn't I so it ain't Fargo, right? It's the four hours a day light that gives off. You know that like, oh cool. We got sunlight from. We got gray from eleven AM until two PM. And then it's dark again, he acts that gets really tough to adjust to, but I wanna go see Heff. He's new gym. I wanna go train, and spend some time over there and just be in that place again, how cool was when he was on that ESPN special. And he talked openly about just eating on that rocked. I thought that was mazing it. He's, he's really an amazing guy in have always felt nothing but really welcomed in his house and being a friend in those type of things. And I'm stoked for the guy. I, I love seeing what they're doing. And as he ever bashed, you over the head with his dick hasn't. It's got a period. It's gotta be terrifying. Something I've popped in my head. I'm hot. Hi. I don't know why it might have been the mushroom. It's very, very strange. He and Kelsey your friends, right? And I don't really have any interest in watching my friends fuck. But I've watched like a trailer of that to figure out the mechanics of it house is working. One hundred and fifty fucking pounds. He was four times what has chick ways that doesn't exist? What's the dynamic climbs on, like? Spider monkey just attach is like flying squirrel. And. Yeah. You know what I'm more concerned about someone like him is for her how much he does he have to produce Embiid, like I know what he's like is the worst. Look. I'm a son much less if Wade twice as much what I currently win. He's twice our size. The sheets are just wet. Thank God he lives there. She's causing sees blaring, those guys go through like four or five shirts, and a workout you just have to keep changing them all the time biggest shirts of all time. I just can't imagine stepping on the scale and seeing the first numbers of full and then being sick. Yeah. And that's like his job has to be has to be those talking to stand about their diet, like would it? You know, everyone wanted to hear this big weird drug thing about what they change, you know, for the Arnold, he's like we didn't change anything. It was we added thirty six eggs, a day to their diet to what they were currently eating. We added thirty six extra exit. Cholesterol. Yeah. Big boys and you're doing vertical diet now playing with it. So on training days, I'll do vertical diet in the pre and post training meal. And if I'm feeling really gassed at night, I'll probably add some rice in. But if I'm not training, I'll stick to carnivore. Keep it simple. Give a simple main as three rules, right? It's hard fought those up do. Do you make like monster mash and stuff like that, too? Yeah. That was a you'll being on the road for the last ten days in the truck, I was really trying to see, like what can I maintain basically eating out of gas stations, my own food and and not doing restaurant. So like you can swing by any Chinese takeout place on the planet, and by white rice, that sounds racist. I didn't say oriental. You can get white rice and so like a head that and then I had precooked a bunch of ridi- and chopped into pieces. And it's like you're good for two or three days and I was out of an ice chest. I would just go into a gas station and mixed the two and heated up. And I put mustard and Saracho on it, which are both zero calories when hit the road fill. Great simpler. Yeah. Body digest, it will. Like I think that's another main. You just don't get that bloated feeling because your body can use it in, in eats it. Well, I mean, stances that, right. Like I eat the foods my body likes not foods. I like right. Chamie wasn't ever big enough to be to be a body builder. He probably needed to get forty more pounds. You, you traveled everywhere, you know, where's where some spots that are like a must see before people kick the bucket Iceland's, one of them I, I can't seem to stop going. I go at least once a year. It's just for whatever reason for me the just the frequency their lines up with mine, and, like I immediately fill home. The second I'm off the airplane. Victoria, Canada's a really cool, cool spot. That's somewhere, no one goes. But we competed there every year. Is that east or west west coast? Okay. So it's near Vancouver, but the little smaller town of Victoria. Really? Really cool. Click canada. Man. Canada's really cool. People are nice. A little bit less bullshit. Maybe I wonder if that comes from this. Right. Because they still have hockey as part of their culture and people fight. Like, Canadians will have a go, and then go have a beer like we can have an issue and sort it out, and I don't have to call assault charges. Like they're like, you're also not safe like it's also a small enough place. Like if you run your mouth is a good chance to get hit. I mean in hockey, they just they'll, they'll tap each other just and then they find let's go like it's like a known thing. We're not didn't even do anything illegal. It just bumped the guy in like you. You're a goon on your team. And I'm gonna my team we're gonna fight. They also possibly can talk shit better than anyone except for the UK, folks. Really man? They're good. They can sure usually pretty funny to very lot of katie's. I've met are they have good sense of humor last, I was up in Toronto, and I was at anchor bar, which is a the original buffalo wing place, then a month low, and how it got one now in Toronto to sit in there and there's like twenty screens in the bar like sports on, and it's hock. Tonight in Canada. So like everything's hockey there. The Leafs are playing like Montreal's play into like all the TV's are on the ship. And like the bars empty except for this table of like nine Canadian dudes behind me really into hockey, myself at the bar, and this old white guy from the states like probably sixty five comes up to the bar, and he's like a excuse me, ma'am. Can we can we turn on the TV zone to March madness for the NCAA tournament? And she just looks at him and goes like it's hockey night. And he's like, oh, I know. I know I was just wondering if one TV we could watch basketball and I hear from the table behind. And they're like, hey, bud. She fuck could set at talking night. Fuck figure it out. And then you hear them for the next thirty minutes like fucking like we're going to change a channel basketball, I think we're gonna fucking stop watching hockey got come over here to the bar. Fuck figured out we all just Turpin to their selves, under the voice. Cheeses. Get it together. Things are getting a little heated on the lady said it's fucking hockey night. We still going on about not changing the channel fucking inflection fucking Hawkins makes me so happy. This is all boot. Fucking guys are great. All right, man. Always great to have you on the show on super Prouty a great to see that the knee replacements going. Well, go splat and to twenty-five and their farted afforded on during that one. It got real loud. Yeah. It was different when you fire when it's pressurized like this totally just snaps out of there. Yeah. That's a good way to show a tunnel Hedren collider. Everybody knows it was a far, but, like no one's really a hundred percent. Sure. So sometimes it doesn't even go like no one even says anything sometimes. Right. You're like maybe those just your knee poppin bar. Yeah. Those bars, they make a lot of total cop and bars yet in there. Mark weird noises. But yeah, I mean it feels good being able to lift again. Awesome. So it's been it's been a hell of a road. So I'm I'm happy to. And that felt fine to twenty-five find cheating like old fat guy on box squat am right. It'd be box squads and leg colored girls like extensions for me here on give shit as long as I can make my legs sore again success. Yeah. Awesome puck. Yeah strength never week this week. There's never strenght catch you guys later.

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NBA, Bill Belichick, Roger Goodell, and legacy

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

2:05:16 hr | 1 year ago

NBA, Bill Belichick, Roger Goodell, and legacy

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Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports radio NFS one. Find your local station for the hurt at Fox Sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. You're listening to Fox Sports radio. Here we go Super Bowl getting closer. This is the heard wherever you may be in. However, you may be listening. Why in Los Angeles iheartradio, Fox Sports radio and right here f s won- hope all the people in the mid west who are dealing without awful weather. That frightening weather that dangerous weather. We'll try to warm things up today with especially hot takes about that joy Taylor. Joining us to hang in. There. That weather is my wife from the mid west. We will talking about that last night. Just awful, awful frightening weather, people pets. Yes. It's bad. Family's all in Pittsburgh as an as bad as Chicago to other cities in the western. Thinking of you. Be safe. It's great part of the country big part of the country for football, certainly. But with this time this Super Bowl, we got a west coast on an east coast. But I wanna I wanna talk about something. That's interesting. So the NBA yesterday did something, and it's just a crock. You know, I've been pro player forever. There's terrible billionaires. They moved teams all over the place. I mean Cleveland before LeBron after a poorly run business doesn't matter if it's an NBA team role waste management business. Sometimes it feels like both. It's it's poorly run. So yesterday, the NBA fines, Anthony Davis and his agent fifty thousand dollars who. For publicly requesting a trade, by the way, the NBA media guys like me ask players all the time if they wanna stay somewhere. So a player can't talk about like his future. Now think about this the NBA encourages it star players to talk about politics. To talk about social issues talk about the president. They encouraged that. But if a player talks about hoops, there's a fifty thousand dollar fine will then are you going to make sure that NBA media doesn't ask LeBron or Kyrie Irving or Anthony Davis or coil Leonard about where do you wanna play easy? You don't quite understand this. Okay. I read this morning. Lebron could get fined for tampering. Really, don't you encourage all your stars to social media? Lebron's on social media all the time, isn't that the strength of the NBA they're better than the NFL on social media. But you're gonna find them as long as they tweet about the president social issues policy. But if you tweet about a basketball player, we're gonna find your fifty thousand dollars this is a charade. It's a con job. There's always been two stories in sports. The one league sell you end. Then the truth. This is a con job. The NBA loves this. Adam silver, absolutely loves this. That's why the fines only fifty thousand dollars fifty thousand dollars for a major agent and a superstar in the NBA that is tip money for the rest of us, by the way. Do you think it's a coincidence? I mean, join I been in this business awhile that the Anthony Davis. Lebron Laker thing broke seven AM eastern Super Bowl week on Monday. So as all the sports radio stations in America, the six thousand sports radio stations are jumping into their NFL talk. What do you know, the story broke it seven AM on Monday of Super Bowl week and flooded? Every show you think that's a coincidence. This story could have broken on Saturday could have broken last week. It just so happened to break on morning drive, seven AM Wednesday. Okay. This is this is the big con the NBA loves this. You don't think the NBA loves LeBron's been out for a month? The ratings have been sagging since he left. You don't think they like LeBron Laker Anthony Davis talk kyri to the Laker talk. They love this stuff. This in America today. NFL is king and the seasons winding down. On NBA's number two. And it's very good on social media and it in its its stars drive. The league NFL's kind of driven by the system. Kind of the brand the shield NBA is driven by it stars. You don't think datum silver loves that? His stars are getting talked about on Super Bowl week that I I'm not leading my show. Adam silver's told me before he listens. He watches he watches all of this stuff. He takes the temperature of the room sports is all about real estate. And February the NFL has been encroaching on the NBA's real estate for years. They've moved around free agency. They can move combines and drafts to get in the way of the NBA. This is the NBA fire and back in aero. Oh, it's Super Bowl week. Oh, it's Super Bowl week. It was just make sure stories get out. Listen. This is not dangerous for the league. They're what they're doing is. They're patronizing New Orleans Adam silver in the league going. Shame on you guys. Shame on you. Rich Paul shame on you, Anthony Davis. That is terrible. Here's a fifty thousand dollar fine. You just patronizing New Orleans, which has had let's be honest a really crappy week between the call and the Rams game. And Anthony Davis leaving it ain't great for New Orleans and the Benson family. So this is patronizing them saying patent on the back. We'll we got your back on this those bad star players. You think it's bad for the NBA Anthony Davis joins LeBron Los Angeles go on. And it's also not dangerous for the league basketball from AAU to college basketball to the NBA is always been about a handful of stars controlling the league. The NBA is always been about dynasties the Celtics Bill Russell one eleven and then you went. Into the Lakers, Jerry, West and wilt and Gail Goodrich. And then you had you know, the pistons and the m j and then shack and Coby and then and now we have the warriors. The Miami Heat thing was like very very close to a dynasty two titles for years. It's good. The only the only problem for the NBA is when the dynasties boring like, the Spurs dynasty was but basketball at the AAU level three best high school basketball players in America last year, all chose Duke. This is what basketball players do stop watching the movie hoosiers. It doesn't exist. That was a devotee. Great movie. I love hoosiers. That's not what real basketball's about today. So star players moving L tell you what's dangerous for the NBA. It's not stars going to big brands. What is absolutely dangerous for the NBA is seven teams were tanking last year. That's not good this year by March. You're going to have about ten tanking trying to get that kid at Duke Zion. Williamson your to got about five teams actively tanking that may double in about a month. That's a problem for the NBA. This is great great news for the NBA and a fifty thousand fine is a complete Khanjar. It's just it's pretending. They care about New Orleans. All right. Let's talk football. Tom Brady is five and three and Super Bowls. Let's say loses. He's five and four is he no longer the goat. Let's say he wins and goes six and three joys even go, dear. He's the greatest goat is the greatest of the goat goats. Like he'll be the goaty goat. Let's say Bella check wins and go six and three. He is the best coach await we know it. He loses and goes and five and four. He's still the best coach in the history of football. This Super Bowl has no impact on the patriots outside of the joy of winning. It will not affect Bella checks legacy. It has no effect on. Tom Brady's legacy. Best coach best quarterback. Philip rivers in this game that would affect it. But I'll tell you if the Rams win this game. It is a complete game changer for a lot of people. Let's start with Sean McVeigh thirty three year old head coach Super Bowl champ beats the reigning American domestic football genius. It would be massive for Sean McVeigh. Sean McVeigh goes into an elite group. He's the next Bill Walsh. He's the next Bill Belichick on the offensive side of the ball. Number two Jared Goff, kind of looks like Brady both from northern California Brady grew up idolizing Montana golf watching Brady west coast kids genius head coach, oh Jared Goff is the closest thing potentially over the next fifteen years to Tom Brady. It would be huge. The city of Los Angeles. This has always been a Laker's town. Football is still a growing business in Los Angeles. The dodgers are established USC football Lakers are established. This would be a movement. This would be pulling people away Super Bowls have a way of changing cities. It would also be number four big for other stars in this league. The Rams went heavily into free agency and into big diva names, historically that was dumb guide territory. Smart GM's did not do that. But for guys like levian bell guys on the market. It is big for players and let me add this. If the NFL had to pick a side who wins this game. They'd want Los Angeles about five or six years ago. I worked at the other place. I was told by an executive the NFL wanted to become more entertainment driven. They wanted. They understood they were now a television show more than a sport, Los Angeles is the entertainment capital of North America. Since I heard that six years ago Vegas is going to have a team Los Angeles has two teams. They're moving the NFL combine here they've okay and completed about sixty percent of a new stadium and Super Bowls and the NFL network will take place in that stadium. This would be good for the league McVey Goff city of L A free agency as a whole NFL. This this game means nothing for Tom. Brady's legacy. Absolutely nothing for ballot. Check. But it is a game changer. If the Rams win coming up next. You know, how some guys are a trash talker. Mohammed Ali Larry Bird, Gary Payton, we're trash talkers. Bill Belichick just proved again, he is the great trash mumber. He trolled his own legendary quarterback. Hi, it's the hurt. The world is full of sounds. That warn you about danger. Like, if you get a little too close to a rattlesnake you hear a rattle, but in the digital world, if your personal information endanger, there's no rattling sound to let you know. It could be in big trouble. Good thing. Lifelock is out of the power of Norton security to see more cyber threats whether it's potential threats to your identity like your personal. Information for sale on the dark web or say threats to your devices like malware or emerging viruses. Hey, you got a problem there agent work to fix it? Of course, we know this nobody can stop every cyber threat. Nobody can prevent all identity theft or monitor all transactions at all businesses. But lifelock with Norton can detect a wide range of threats that could sneak up on you. You don't see him common? Join now get ten percent off your first year. Just go to lifelock dot com or call one eight hundred lifelock enter the promo code heard H E R D that the promo code heard for ten percent off lifelock dot com. Valentine's coming up one eight hundred flowers dot com, you can get twenty four red roses. Eighteen cautious twenty nine ninety nine twenty four just ten bucks. More one eight hundred flowers dot com, code her H E R D. All right. So we know certain people are like trash talkers. Mohammed Ali, it was almost poetry, and Gary Payton is like the great trash talker. Michael, Jordan, Larry Bird was a massive trash talker. Some most most athletes talk a little trash Abella. Check is the great trash mumber. So I thought this was trolling yesterday. So he somebody asked him about Aaron Donald of the Rams and remember who people consider the best football player ever. And when you look at all time lists Brady's number one Lawrence Taylor who Bella check coached. You know is somewhere in the top ten. Here's what Bella check said yesterday. Donald's a great football player. I wouldn't put anybody had Lawrence Taylor. I can't put anybody. Head of Taylor Taylor's, the best I've ever seen certainly the best. I've ever coached. And I just wouldn't put anybody I had him. Okay. It's one thing to say when you have what many believes the best player ever to play football certainly most impactful. Lawrence Taylor is the best player I've ever had. But then to dig into it and go certainly the best I've ever coached. Now. Remember, the word, certainly that's what we call in our business, a trigger word, certainly means, obviously, you'd be stupid to even argue it, it's not even comparible certainly if I said Harvard's, the best Ivy league school in my opinion. If I said Harvard is certainly the number one Ivy league school that's a shot at Yale and Princeton that's personal. If I said with my wife present Matt's the best lasagna I've ever had that's a little dig. But if I said, it's certainly the best lasagna ever cooked for me knowing she takes great pride in cooking. Like Brady takes great pride in being great. That is trolling that that that is. Could just stopped best player. I've ever had certainly the best player I've ever coached. Isn't that a little four days out from the Super Bowl? You don't think that's a little this is what ballot? Check those member. Tom Brady's birthday, Tom just a player. This is the psychology Bill Parcells was great at this. Joe? Tori was great at this. Phil Jackson was great at this. Nick saban's great at this red are Bach. You can go back to the great coaches of all time Gregg Popovich getting everybody in his camp to believe it's a unit. Take less money psychology is a huge part. I mean, go back to Vince Lombardi's quotes about football psycho when you're asking guys to run through a wall. Eighteen games preseason postseason. Do your job take a pay cut? Football's hard football practice is hard. You gotta keep players motivated. I mean, I this week Bella check even trash mumbled. Wade Phillips, do you? Remember that remember that one? Certainly changed a lot in the last thirty years schematically. Wade really hasn't really hasn't. So go to. Go to credit for that. He's the systems lasted it relieves as part of this dad's system that he's developed and move on you know, adapted and developed their think that's a real credit what he put together thirty years ago. You went back to high school and said Mansa credit to you. You haven't changed at all. Is that really a compliment or a shot? He's got mumbo bars. He I mean, it's also kind of a double shot because not only they say he didn't change a system. He says his daddy system. He's like, he's a trash mumble or have your own SIS. I may be I may be speaking of speaking. I was just thinking of this and joy does a beautiful this out that you had on today. Poor people in the midwest, you're you're targeting him today. You look like you're going out for Margarita app said that because you adverse sweater this morning, and you were talking about how cold it was. And then mentioned that I wear sleeve yesterday. And then I saw just this morning. I was like I one hundred percent positive. The back, but I have a heated blanket on on my legs right now. So I'm kind of it's nine one fair minus fifty four Minneapolis. She's going to be in Fort Lauderdale having a Margarita right after the show, Los Angeles. It's it's it's going to be nice outside today. Probably in the seventies. Just thought of that joy with the news. I heard on the news. This is the third line news. I should be sipping a mint juleps issue do balcony or something right now. All right. So seventeen years ago Tom Brady ballot? Check and the patriots where the lovable underdogs up to face the greatest show on turf and Saint Louis Rams now eight say Super Bowl appearances and five titles later, they're now the NFL's evil overlord. But for some reason, the patriots are on a nobody believes in us tour as of late and Robert Kraft is continuing that narrative he shared his thoughts yesterday about the people who are wishing for the end of this dynasty. Seventeen years ago. We were Cinderella people. And I understand it. And if I wasn't a fan of the patriots, I'd feel the same way. So that's and you know, what all those people. We hope we're gonna make you keep feeling that way for quite a while. So I I really can't blame them for for having this mentality is considering the narrative around the mall year. You know, it's interesting joy these leagues their goal is to not have dynasties. That's why when you have a great year in pro sports, you get a bad draft pick. They have salary caps in the NBA hockey NFL. They don't want dynasties. We have an NBA dynasty. We have really an NFL dynasty. We have a college football dynasty. Serena and Fedor were tennis dynasties sports college football. College basketball, Duke got the three best players overwhelming favourite to win this year. It is remarkable in sports right now. It even in baseball. There's a real separation going on right now in baseball between like Yankees Red Sox. Dodgers cubs Astros, more money. More players. I in my life. We've never had these concurrent dynasties. And I there's a lot of different reasons for it. I don't want to bore people. I think some of it is millennials are not into the struggle. They want to join momentum. That's dead. Kevin durant? Like, I'm not struggling and. Okay. See I'm going to go gold state and win and I think millennial players twenty three to thirty five year old players generally like the jump on board winning organization. Well, I mean, there's there's other factors and the desire to move as well though, because you didn't have the saturation of media coverage hammering on you for not having any rings, either a very good point so players now are like, hey, I'll take I'll go to Duke. I even though I grew up in Michigan or Atlanta. I'm not gonna I'm gonna go win and get on the side of the winning calm right coming in and years from now it's not like anyone's gonna go back and. I mean, maybe with Kevin Durant. But most buyers not examined the the way that they moved around. So Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk led the greatest show on throughout the we were just discussing Super Bowl victory over the titans nineteen years ago in Atlanta and on Sunday Jared Goff will try deliver the franchises first title since that game in the same city and on the Dan Patrick show yesterday. Kurt Warner offered Goff some advice before the biggest game of his life. Well, I mean, I think the one thing I would tell him is that you have to realize this game is like every other game. When you get between the lines. I look back at my three Super Bowls the first one we were had sixteen to nothing. It was tied sixteen sixteen in the fourth quarter. Just talked about the one in two thousand one we were down seventeen to three tied up at seventeen to seventeen with two minutes to go every game even big games like this with high stakes they have their ebbs and flows momentum shifts very quickly in. That's what I would tell him is you gotta ride the waves of the Super Bowl. I think this is one advantage that the patriots truly have over the Rams is the meant not just the experience. Obviously they've been there a lot, but they all come into the game with the mentality of Justice just another game in and if you look at New England the last three years of all their playoff games, they've won all but one and in that game they didn't have to punt they've gotten to a point in these games. New England scorn about thirty four points a game and getting four hundred seventy five yards. We know. I know what I'm getting in this game from New England. I know I'm getting points from New England that I don't question. I don't know what I'm getting from the Rams. So to your point is fifty percent of this game. I know what I'm getting are the Rams who tend to be very comfortable and shootouts ready to go toe to toe. I think that's possible or do. They get overwhelmed because Brady does to the Rams what he did to Kansas City, which is death by a thousand cuts and the Rams and McVeigh or sit on the sidelines. Never get the football back. That's very possible. I don't know if the ram secondary. And I don't love their linebackers. But I wouldn't I don't look at the Rams offense. The way that I look at the chiefs offense felts like doom that Patrick Mahomes was on the sideline because he was because that's really what you were expecting the answer to the patriots. And I came to be was the chiefs high fine often. So when he didn't see that it was like this feels like it's over even though they did have a great fourth quarter. I don't feel like I feel like it's going to be a more even game with the Rams. This is his fourth career playoff. Start Goff is and he's going against Tom Brady who beat sT. Fans and that's Super Bowl. It's just it's a staggering amount of this disparity. Inexperienced. Tom Brady's become an era onto himself. There will be in the NFL Tom Brady era. Era Tom Brady year eighteen nineteen twenty years. Yeah. Yeah. So finally Todd Gurley is one of the NFL's most devastating weapons. He's obviously the Rams most talented running back, but CJ Anderson's bulldoze his way to at least one hundred and twenty yards on the ground. That's three of its past four games. And now, according to Mike Freeman and NFC head coach felt he is a better fit for how the Rams offensive line blocks teams who have gained planned against them, say Anderson doesn't need clean lanes to be effective and defenses have a hard time tackling him because this is a calorie than they do girly. Todd gurley. Pretty good. I think they're both. I understand the argument. It's kind of a bulldozing offensive more of a f-. Early siege as a load, but I'd like Todd Gurley. I think everyone's kind of doing a little what he's done for me lately. Little living in the moment. Yeah. Yeah. I I don't know that I don't know what to expect. Listen Cooper Cup got hurt early in the year. If Todd Gurley is a non factor in the Super Bowl. I there's no way the Rams can win you if they had Cooper Cup healthy and girly I knew going and he's gonna get one hundred fifteen yards. I take the Rams today. I don't think the Rams have been the same since Cooper coupla in if Todd Gurley miliver if he's on a stationary bike in this game. That's what worries me we're gonna have a band Super Bowl. I it's a it's a huge factor for me as I don't know what to expect don't have any idea Fort Lauderdale joy with. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lie. Does there? There has been a lot of NBA talk about a bunch of stuff going on Kyrie irvings moving and Anthony Davis is moving LeBron by the way, it's coming back to play against the clippers here. I think it's tomorrow night yesterday. Add Chris Haines on who broke the Kyrie Irving is interested in getting in. Potentially going to Los Angeles. Chris did say something during the show that I totally disagreed with. We didn't have we had certain time restraints in regards to LeBron Anthony Davis and here it is. Heard admits and Kevin love and Chris boss before those guys are not on eighties level column. I will say that. And a d is twenty-five if Anthony Davis came over to the Lakers, if they found a way to make it happen. Lebron will pass the keys to Anthony Davis, blah, bra will play second fiddle to anti Davis. I do not believe that. And here's why ninety five percent of players in this league play. They just play nothing wrong with that about five percent lead. Michael Jordan led bird lead. Magic lead. Magic by the way. The Lakers had a lot of good players had Kareem wasn't a leader. Magic lead and played. Lebron plays and leads the Klay Thompson story. Lakers, the kyri Irving Lakers AD to the Lakers, that's all engineered by LeBron. Clutch sports. That's all engineered by LeBron. Lebron done just play. He is a leader in this league in the league. Had a handful of that Jerry West he was leading. They had Bill Russell. There's not been a ton of great NBA leaders. There's been a million great NBA players. Magic johnson. Arguably the greatest leader the league's ever had the league was in the toilet. He and Larry Bird saved it. But I do not believe for a second because LeBron's been out for thirty five days. He's given up the baton never forget this. Lebron has played fifty five thousand minutes that is eighth all time to he's going to lead the NBA in minutes. He didn't have time to waste. He's coming off an injury. He wants this AD thing to happen fast. So he can get twenty five or thirty games in with Anthony Davis. So when next year starts, they'll add another piece, which they will. And they're ready to roll he didn't wanna start with eighty next year and figure three and a half months. Figuring out if the chemistry works so this. Here's what happened and this happened. You know, Tom Brady got hurt and left for a year. And we. Forget about people don't forget because LeBron's been out with a not a major injury. But a more significant injury that was initially reported when you missed sixteen seventeen games in forty days. That's a real injury in the NBA the best body in the league. But I don't believe for a second because he's out of sight. He's not leading all these stories. The middle bronze still considers himself the best player in the NBA this guy. He led the entire Eastern Conference until three months ago. He didn't come to LA to be somebody's valet. Anthony Davis is a great player show me his great leadership skills. He couldn't lead them to the playoffs. So boogie cousins come on seven years in the league one playoff win one playoff series win. So I I love Chris. But I still think I think sometimes what happens players get hurt players out. And we just forget about him. We got people running for president in the United States that are seventy years old and not just one. You got a Bloomberg Bernie Sanders and yet LeBron's thirty four years old. Let's not go crazy here. He is still last year statistically, the best player in the NBA by not just a little not just a little. I was thinking about this. I just throw this out there. I'll get into it more later. It really is interesting though. It is funny about how we hold our NBA stars near and dear to our whole heart. I'll give you an example statistically. Joe Montana in the super bowl's is better than Tom Brady. Four for four. Brady's lost three of them. Joe Montana went four four and Super Bowls. If you go look at their Super Bowls. Joe Montana's perfect Joe Montana had a higher completion percentage. Joe Montana's never thrown an interception in Super Bowl and as a much tire passer rating, but the minute Brady beat Atlanta. He won the volume game. And we just said Joe it was great known. Yeah. Tom's the goat. We didn't argue about it. It wasn't even on debate shows. It was understood. But yet if you look at Michael and LeBron LeBron is clearly surpassed Michael in the volume game too. But to suggest LeBron is better than Michael Jordan is sacrilegious it. It's on my debate show, you know, seventeen times a year. Think about how we treat our NBA stars when LeBron moved to the Lakers there were anti LeBron murals from Kobe Bryant fans, how dare you have him come to our team yet in Green Bay when farve left. Aaron won a Super Bowl. And there were a lot of people in Green Bay saying errands better than Brett we don't lose sleep displacing, our football icons to even suggest LeBron is more Laker ish than Kobe or that LeBron is perhaps better than the Bron than Michael is infuriating. It creates rage and ask yourself this. Why? And I think the answer is very simple. We wear our basketball stars. We wear their shoes we wear their gear we invest them. We go we go to bed me in the shirt. We play basketball in the shoes are basketball stars the shoe culture is so powerful. And so personal. It's almost like NASCAR. You didn't root for the driver? I'm afford guy. I'm a Chevy guy. I'm dodge guy, the drivers were replaceable. But hey, I'm Ford your Chevy, I draw a line basketball. We are deeply embedded in our stars. It's just a more intimate game basketball is well it certainly marketed star over team Dr team over star and see the players that don't have helmets on. It's not about the shield and the name on the front. It's about the name on the back. We have relationships emotionally with our NBA guy. We wear them. We invest in them. We can see him you, Mike when you go to like, you could just reach out and touch, Mike. It's very it's a very different experience place. Our NFL stars are legends very quickly. It's two different cultures. It is Willie mcginest three times Super Bowl champ NFL network with the patriot will be stopping by next. Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app, by the way, the public is overwhelmingly on the patriots. The public is betting the page. Creates to this point. It should be duly noted sewer. The sharps in Vegas over the wise guys. So this idea the fans were was wrong. Remember years ago when the Dallas Cowboys went on their run sports betting wasn't nearly as big as it is today in America, it's been legalized right by the supreme court, but the the sports books took a bath because the Cowboys won in blowout fashion. And the Cowboys were the most popular team in the country and the average fans loved the Dallas Cowboys and Troy Aikman and Jimmy Johnson Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin. And all these great players. So the idea that fans aren't occasionally right fans. Are right all the time fans. Remember fans play favorites fans like stars. Well, if you just bet the last I think it's the last ten years if you just bet New England every week. Their favorite. They have stars. If you just bet New England, I think the number is sixty four percent. You would have won sixty four. If you just took them every week. So there's a lot of guys in south Boston who have bet the patriots every week for a decade, and those guys are driving BMW's because you sixty four percent winning is higher than like professional gamblers get professional gamblers get fifty eight to sixty one percent when I do blazing five I'm trying to get fifty eight percent and this year blazing five was aided. By the fact that went nine and one in the playoffs. That's just not L. Never go nine and one on the playoffs ever again. And for the record. I would not bet the Super Bowl did. I don't I don't find. When the game was pick them originally. I take New England. But now it's two and a half of the Rams could be three for the Rams. I don't know if girly is gonna play much. There's just too much uncertainly uncertainty. This isn't a game. I bet if that line gets up to three and a half Rams, then I'd take the Rams, but I don't, you know, Mike. My take away. I don't know what I get from Todd Gurley. I don't have any idea what I get from Todd Gurley. And if I don't know what I get from Todd Gurley. They're already missing Cooper Cup. You know, if you told me today Todd Gurley is going to have six carries. I take New England win comfortably. But New England doesn't win Super Bowls comfortably. They've been a native of they've all been the exact same. And not only have they been the exact same all decided on the last possession win or lose. They don't score in the first quarter New England very much is the heavyweight that comes in and feels out the opponent. They also there's a couple of things New England doesn't every Super Bowl. They don't score score in the first quarter. They just don't. Second thing is they tend to run more in the game than they do during the season. If you look at their balance passing and running New England generally in the Super Bowl leans, a little more running than they did in the previous seventeen eighteen games. So they're the they don't come to the Super Bowl and give you what you expect. They don't score early. They're one of the great. I punch teams in the NFL. They lead the New England leads seventy five percent of their games. They don't Super Bowl. They run the ball more than throw it. And so I don't know what I'm getting there. Just there's too many uncertainties here. And I don't know it is interesting with Brady and LeBron this week. There's been a lot of questions about Brady and LeBron because LeBron is in that rarefied air and Brady's in his rarified air. You know, people think these guys are very dissimilar. Because when you think of Brady he was barely drafted. There's the combine video where he almost looked in Niimi athletic, and then there's LeBron James where as the chosen one they say he would have been the number one draft pick his junior year of high school. So when you think of Brady barely drafted. Didn't look good in the boxer shorts. And then you think of the chosen one, hyper athlete, you think of them as very very dissimilar. And I gotta be honest with you. I think there are three things that make LeBron Brady incredibly similar and is really ready to go. Next segment. The three things to me that make them very very similar number one is their pioneer. Ears in rea- investing in themselves. Lebron spends one point five million dollars annually on his own training staff. That's unheard of not even Kobe did that Tom Brady. Meanwhile, does not drink during the season he has his own clinic. So I think they're they are real pioneers in taking care of themselves and reinvesting money and time into their body. I mean, Michael Jordan was poker. Cigars stakes alcohol late night quarterbacks. Use the jump into the hot tub, go out down beers. And smokes mean quarterbacks were never like Brady and even NBA stars. Like, Michael were stakes potatoes chomping on cigars and gambling. The second thing is they of both completely altered finances of the sport Brady has been taking now for a decade pay cuts restructuring his contract. He even forced drew Brees. If you years ago to go. I can't take all this money. I can't compete. You are now seeing as selfish as an NFL quarterback. If you are demanding top dollar, you are a liability Kirk cousins, you are a liability Matt Stafford Tom Brady for a quarterback with his constant restructuring. And not taking max contract has altered the way we look at how quarterbacks are paid. How about LeBron James? Lebron James was the if Michael Jordan made the NBA global and magic and bird saved it. Lebron made it mobile players go don't take the most money, you'll get paid and endorsements. You'll get paid on the back end. You'll get paid on legacy. Don't worry about standing Toronto and making the most money Paul George, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis. Kevin durant? Lebron? So that's the second thing they have altered the finances of their sport. And I also think the third thing that Brady and LeBron have in common is we have a different view of their position people. Let's talk Tom Brady. People used to romanticize the gunslinger Joe Nemeth, Terry Bradshaw. Brett farve lot interceptions. John Elway didn't really matter at guy a game her. That's not what people are looking for people looking for accuracy, people are looking for efficiency. People are looking for sixty six percent completion percentage in college. Baker Mayfield short time walk on. But he's accurate number one pick Sam darnold bigger more athletic. Not as accurate. Lot of questions. Brady has redefined the position it is. Now a precision league three step drop. Do not get hit do not hold onto the ball in arm. Strength is not is really rarely discussed with quarterbacks. Lebron James similarly has altered the view of his position he's a six nine and a half point card. He invented a position the point forward. It used to be in basketball. There was a point guard in a shooting guard and a forward and a power forward. And there was a center now, it's kind of label us is guards and bigs big guys. Lot of euros begs and guards wings, but we don't do it used to be. Point guard was a one shooting guard was a too small forward. Alex English KiKi vandalism three power forward. Barclays a four centers your five. They reinvented point forward. There are no labels. Can you play? Can you handle the ball? Even now when I think about basketball players, I'm like can you handle the ball and shoot three's? Everybody loves Jaanus. Doesn't handle the ball can't shoot three's? Everybody lives. Anthony davis. Doesn't handle the ball? Can't shoot three's. Not saying the canned dribble. I'm not saying that can never hit a three. But to me the league now is about the hardens in about the LeBron than about the steps in about the Durant's. They can take the ball up the floor. They control the temple like a quarterback, and it can shoot from anywhere. So I know you look at LeBron and Brady in one is unathletic and the combine and the boxer shorts and the pathetically slow forty yard dash and that your image drafted one hundred and ninety ninth barely drafted. And the other guy is sixteen years old the chosen one the king would have been drafted as a sophomore junior. Number one a high school. But I think they have a lot of similarities, I think they have a great deal of similarities, some kyri Irving stuff Willie mcginest has won three Super Bowls a decade and a half an all time. Great player. He will be joining us next hour as Super Bowl week. It's funny. I don't feel a huge buzz for the Super Bowl. We're talking about this morning. There is no overriding controversy, right? The very mellow is so far it it is an incredibly mellow Super Bowl week. But we'll mcginnis to start our next hour. Peleton's a game changing indoor cycling bike brings energy of live studio. Classes to your home up to fourteen live ride today. Learn more Pellett and bike at one Peltonen dot com or visit your local showroom our to next in LA. Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Our two we are live band loss Angeles. This is the her wherever you may be. And however, you may be listening. We're on iheartradio Fox Sports radio f s one again, please stay warm dangerously cold Arctic blast weather in the midwest. Minus forty minus fifty degrees. Terrifying. For a lot of people young kids older, folks, stay warm. We're thinking of ja rule temperatures right now. I've never seen anything like it my life. I and I'm kind of a weather nerd, I like, I watched the weather hard definitely whether whether who were besides yourself over the the weather predictions for the Kansas City game. No, I I'm in. I am into weather. You notice two things when you know, you're getting old. You like you watch meet the press and the Weather Channel. And stewed tomatoes. Sound fascinating. No, I still consider myself young. But I I grew up. I wanted to be a weather guy for a long time. And then I really yeah. I was like used to watch the weather guys. Now, it's fascinated by all the maps. And then I started playing sports, and I said, I don't want to be whether going to be a sports guy. So I'm into weather, and now let's go to Atlanta where they they cancelled school two days ago because it rained that that's a not nearly as bad as what's going on in the mid west Willie McGuinness fifteen years in the NFL via the cower global satellite network three Super Bowl rings in the early two thousand or the beginning of this dynasty Willie. You're at the beginning of this puppy. I want you to go back to two thousand one young Willie. Mcginest ni- naive Willie mcginest the young young stylish Willie mcginest. Were you nervous were you anxious? What are you? Remember? You weren't nervous. I think we were more angry than anything because nobody gave us a chance in hell to go out and win this football game. We were you underdogs in this game. Muffing mad or somebody said we would be losing by thirty at halftime. So whatever we talked to the press whenever we talk to the media was about the Rams and how great they were. And oh, yeah. Would you guys are in this game too? So I think it was a little different atmosphere for us going into this game. And you know, the result kind of came out a little bit different than what everybody expected. Now. Do you feel the Rams are similarly being disrespected that they have to constantly answer questions about Brady? Bella check in the dynasty Di you feel the Rams feel a little bit. Like your patriots. Absolutely not. I think this team is deservingly supposed to be here in this game. They played great all year. They've been constructed his team for the last few years to to get to this point. When you look at the. Talent wise, I think is balanced across the board on both, you know, both organizations. Nobody's saying that you know, this team is way more talented than the other team. So I think the only thing you could talk about who has what advantage is probably experienced and experienced doesn't win football games. But it does prepare you for what's about to come. So I think this Rams team is confident on their coaching staff is confident the players talented. You look you. Compare both rosters talent wise. I think maybe more people will lead towards the Rams as far as the talent goes. So I don't think there's no underdog in his football game. I think both teams deserves to be here. Both team will go in and compete at a high level. And you know, I'm I'm excited to see how this matchup is going to is going to break down. So you want it in two thousand one you skipped a year. Then you one rings in two thousand three two thousand four people forget Willie that these early Super Bowls those first three Brady was. Isn't Brady take my audit? Because I keep saying all week. I keep saying Jared Goff reminds me of Brady, but the last seven years of Brady, we think of him as this LeBron s superstar you're with Tom before he was the legend, Tom, what do you remember about amendment? He was a little skinnier and not nearly as official. Well, you know, what are the the first Super Bowl didn't depend on times arm. And you know, he didn't have to go out and throw for four hundred five hundred yards and four touchdowns because our defense was the strength. But what he what you did know about him that he was going to give you an opportunity to win in a critical situation. He was going to take care of the football. Who was going to do anything to hurt the team authencity and make good decision? So I think when you look at the time from Super Bowl thirty six versus now, he dick stay dictates everything that goes on offense of like he's been through it all he's weathered every storm. He's been consistent throughout every two minute situation with the game on the line whether it's the Super Bowl or whether it's the AFC championship or a regular season game. So the experience knowing how to win in these big games plan out a certain level. That's the time now versus the time, then, but you know, I think with every single player you see him grow every single year. You know, I it's just. Crazy that is his nineteenth season now. And he's still in the same game in the same situation with the same opportunity to win another Super Bowl. We really have a battle of cultures here. A New England's about the system star players have to take pay cuts. The Rams they take care of Donald day took care of girly. They took care girly a year early. They take care guys. You know, one is more star comfortable one is more leaning to system now that your career is over twelve years. New England three Cleveland, you made your money. You have the rings. If I told you you could walk into the league today and have the the New England system or the player empowerment system. What would you choose? Our go to the New England system because the players you can't have you can have a great system. You look at all the systems Colin throughout the entire league. You can have great systems in great coaching. But you gotta have the players to go out to sacrifice individualism in buying the team and to go out and execute those systems and play at a high level and be consistent. The one thing is if Bella check understands that he created a grave system for us to play in. But you still need a certain pedigree, a certain style a player to go out and play at a high level in this system. You know, you look at Sony Michelle and James white and high tower and all these guys mccourty all these guys that's played in his system. Tom Brady for whatever for nineteen years. If you look at guys that play consistently in this system, Julian Edelman who was a quarterback coming in who's now a star receiver in his league assistant gives you an opportunity to player if you go out and execute and plant a certain level in your consistent that gives you. Opportunity to become a superstar with ever with that within a winning system. So you can have numbers have stats and be great and come in to a certain place and don't win any games. Never plan. The biggest game in your life or you can buy into something it put team versus individualism and become a star within the system and win Super Bowls. I choose that any day has down Willie mcginest an all time. Great busy guy. We're gonna let you go in Atlanta. We appreciate you. Give an seven eight minutes here time Willie. Thank you see back in LA. Always a pleasure, Colin. Thank you. You bet by the way, you know, it was about two years ago. You know, one of my criticisms of the American media, myself included, I created something a few years ago called Collins right Collins wrong on Monday. And the reason I did is because I saw so few people in the American media, political or sports tech media political media sports, mini, acknowledging whiffed on that one. So I. Created a segment ten minutes every Monday, it's our highest rated segment, by the way. I acknowledge I have strong opinions. Sometimes I with one of my frustrations with political media and sports media, but more the political media, they never admit when they're wrong. They create a narrative, and they'll be damned if they're going to change it even if the candidate the Senate the congressmen the governor has a good day good week good policy about couple years ago. The media announced that football would no longer last in fifteen years. It was ending soon. It was simply too dangerous. The NFL always nimble has done a tremendous job in just two years to make this game safer. One player is missing from the Super Bowl. I watched the Lakers. Sixers last night. Three starters were out. One player is missing from the Super Bowl in this violent game. Think you could acknowledge that in a tweet, but it is interesting because the one player most of you didn't see in college. I got lucky his name is Cooper Cup. He went to school where I went to school eastern, Washington. One of the reasons I like New England in this game is I don't think the Rams of ever been the same since he got hurt. He's the only missing starter. If you look at Jared goff's numbers with him and without him. There is a start stark difference. We think Goff is tied to girly. No. He's tied to Cooper Cup. One key ingredient was missing in this Rams offense, and Sean McVeigh decided to cook a whole different meal. They have become much more the two headed running back monster over a passing team this happens to young quarterbacks as they're growing and learning the position and trying to catch up to the speed of the NFL. They tend to have a go to guy a security blanket, Marcus mariota, had Delaney. Walker Dak has Amari Cooper, Andrew luck had a guy named Donnie Avery. Remember him not the most talented first couple of years. Andrew luck was always looking for Donnie Avery. Patrick Mahomes has Travis Kelsey case Carson Wentz and Zach ertz are tied at the hip Cooper Cup was Jared goff's security blanket, and you can look at the numbers for our television audience it stark, the difference with them and. Without him almost three yards. More an attempt with Cooper Cup Goth lost his security blanket. It may have just been one ingredient. But it clearly forced the very very nimble Sean McVeigh to not try to fool anybody with a with the same chili in the same dish. He kind of made up a new meal. This team has become very much about the align. Much less about girly. It's become more about running than throwing though I do think off is an underrated talent. But. We should acknowledge this is one of the healthiest Super Bowls. I've ever seen in the league is done a pretty good job, and it and and duly noted. They are going to consider altering the kickoff this offseason. Say what you want about leeann fell. They listen to you. You didn't like the catch rule change that in the Super Bowl? You don't like that? Replay thing saw report this morning, maybe able to review PI they listened. They've heard done a good job on this coming up next. Danny amendola. So many Tony Danny amendola doesn't like me. How can a patriot not like me? I mean, how can a New England patriot. I'm a great American patriot to begin with. And then I'm a New England patriot home name Brady clearly thinks that you think they have no skill. Somebody told me Danny amendola. Get used to get mad at me. Did I did I ever take a shot at Damadola? I keep aren't of the shots that you take. But people do take what you say very seriously into the heart. All right. Danny amendola is going to be joining us. I can ask him. I like my slot receivers. My diva wide receivers. I have no time for Odell Beckham wears me out. But I I like my I like my Wes Welker. What if he just comes on the show yells at me and leaves? Well, what happens they're gonna have some you think Baker Mayfield not have problems. Danny amendola next. One more heard the herd. Streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like my name's Joshua, David Stein. I'm the host of the fatherly podcast here with my co host Jason gay eight refute heads with questions questions about what legal cannabis means for our kids who designs. Awesome playgrounds. Why our kids don't think we're funny? True. Do we talked to a daredevil about managing risk and Gardner from Brooklyn who went to fight ISIS and Jamie, Oliver about failure. I learned a lot me too. So listen, you might learn a lot to thanks dad. Subscribe to the fatherly podcast on the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcast the mail. Welcome back. Great w n I've never had Danny amendola on the show before. And I somebody told me the other day, they said, you know, I don't know if Danny likes you. And I said I love my slot receivers. He was low maintenance he's tougher than a four dollar steak. He had great hands. And I've watched every single patriots snap for fifteen years because I spent eleven in a half years in Connecticut, and with my great pleasure via the cower global satellite network. Danny amendola is on the show. All right daddy. Let's clear the air. Take your shot at me. What did I do? Buddy. I was sitting in my in my den one morning after after victory watching you watching your show. I'm a huge fan of you, by the way. Well, thank you. And you you made you made a great point that if Tom Brady can win with mediocre scrubs like Danny amendola. I mean, what if what if he had a what if he had a good receiver, but calling I'll be I'm going in my twelfth year in the league. And I promise you, I'm a system guy. So I mean as as advertised has advertised first of all the the you can laugh at that. Now, I feel guilty. I am I will buy any merchandise. You put your name on. I will say this though, I do think Bella Tech's Bella check would be tough on me. I'm insecure enough where I wouldn't want. I he won't compliment Tom it system over player. I get it. I got you leaving. I totally get it twenty million two years Miami. But I will ask you this standing you went from the winner. You went from the winning culture, Danny to a culture that headed ups and downs last ten years. Did you think about that driving to your agent talking to your agent? I am leaving probably the best football culture in America. No question. It's a football factory up there in Foxborough. It's a place where I I played my best football. It's a place where I was I was taught by you know, some of the best coaches, and I'm very thankful for my opportunity there. Unfortunately. And fortunately, I've seen the business side of things in this league. Been cut twice. I've been picked up off waivers. I've I've reached unrestricted free agency twice. So I've been I've been through the ringer so to so to speak in this league. And and I wanted to keep that business mentality in my career in I had opportunity to take care of my family take a contract and in Miami. And I'm excited for that. I'm excited for the future in what that's going to bring don't blame. You all Danny you've played with a lot of different quarterbacks. I I've watched every snap. I know what Tom does. Well, and what he doesn't do. Well, but take me behind the scenes the line of scrimmage what separates Tom from the other really talented guys you've played within this league. Just as his ability to communicate in the huddle, pre snap even you've seen. I don't know. If you've seen a couple of clips post, nap communication something that you can't coach if he's if he's play faking to a running back and then telling him a check down is coming to him. That's post nap communication where you know. That's unheard of. That's uncomfortable. So those those intangibles that Tom has he's he's a student of the game. He's a perfectionist. He's created this lifestyle. This brand around TB twelve in in. It's. Whether he's driving to work he wants to be first or he's playing ping pong. He wants to win or he's he's playing in the Super Bowl. He wants. He wants to be a champion. So that's what I respect about them. And that's why I look up to you know, gronk in you were tight, and after you left, and I and I said this I felt I was always shocked at Brady and Bella check didn't fight for eighteen years. I mean, Kobe and shack won three titles and after about six years, they want he wanted to strangle each other. I was always shocked Brady and Bella check. You didn't have squabbles. The media said it's bad Brady and Bill said, it's not that bad. Can we can you admit now than it was pretty tense for a while? After the Super Bowl was is that fair. Well, I wasn't in the building after the after the loss I had left, and then that's when I had signed with Miami. But I can I can tell you first hand coach Belichick coaches, Tom just like he coaches every other player, whether you're undrafted rookie or your, you know, a Super Bowl MVP. He's going to coach you the same. He wants the best out of you. And he's going to demand that so he doesn't coach anybody any different. You know, Danny when you look at the Rams, they have a key to lead a Robie. Those are very physical corners, Marcus Peters. I mean, those are physical corners, and they're very talented, then they have Donald and sue and Dante Fowler. Yep. Take me to what you think. Bella check is thinking going and against this defense with seventy year old Wade Phillips, Aaron Donald is virtually unblock -able veteran talented corners, are they is it going to be death by a thousand cuts can you kind of guess what they're going to do. They're going to have to control the ball in control Donald that way. Whether it's running off off guard off tackle, I think no get the ball out quick. Like, you said three step drop. In just kind of you know, you saw the opening drive of the Kansas City game. It was like like ten thirteen play drive ninety yards for a touchdown. It's gonna take that. Some drinking and dunking. And then and then just progressively moving. The ball down the field collecting first downs and controlling the clock. So, you know, I don't I wish I wish I had all the answers. But I'm excited to watch this game. Just like just like any other one do us. Do you still Roku you're close with Tom you're close with gronk? I mean, I understand it hits hard not to when you're part of a family for years to what is your gut feeling on gronk I've heard he's smart with his money. I've heard he's put it away. My gut feeling is he's gonna move into wrestling or movies. I think he's going to retire. Danny. I really do. Eat had a hell of a career. What do you think he does in the next month? Well, first of all, I hope he balls out this week. And then we get to see a couple of gronk spikes. But at the end of the day when when you're when you have a one word name like seal or make Lovin or wrong like you don't even need. You don't even need to bring your ide- through the security line at the airport. I think he could just walk through at this point. Yeah, that's a good point amendola. You gotta work on that. Danny. You gotta get gotta gotta work. I gotta work. I gotta work on it. Well, first of all, you're here on behalf of Genesis the official official luxury vehicle the National Football League rolling out a premium experienced current and future fans in Atlanta. So what is Genesis? Genesis is an amazing car. It's a it's a partnership that I've been with for a few weeks. Now got the opportunity to drive a g seventy for the past week. I tell you what I got it up to about one hundred miles an hour on interstate ninety five it's it can really fly. Don't tell anybody that. But it can really fly, man. It's it's extreme luxury. You know, it's it's it's an amazing the two thousand nineteen North American car the year. And I tell you what it's there's no secret. It's awesome car. Danny amendola. I love the fact that you watch our show, and you're good sport about it fan. You are always welcome on our show, Danny and thank you so much for stopping by. Thank you calling. Appreciate it. Yup. Danny amendola who it should be noted last year in that Jacksonville game. Gronk got hurt. Element was out Danny amendola, single handedly. And I'm not joking on this took apart that Jaguars secondary. How many of you? Remember that gronk was hurt concussion element was out and they just Danny amendola. Eight the Jaguars on live. No more criticizing amendola. Also, very exciting day for Yukon. I mean, you're buying a new car today. Genesis. Yeah. You said you're gonna buy whatever he's pushing a are you doing the Goodell thing or do you want me to touch on it? You got it in your run down here. I do not now. Okay. I will Roger Goodell's talking. I'll get to it. And just a second joy Taylor. The news. Heard on the news. This is the heard line news. So Lawrence Taylor was the base of the eighties. Giants that one Super Bowls basically on the defense that he led many dynasty was also the launching point of career young assistant coach at the time named Bill Bella checks checks. Always given a lot of praise LT. Tom Brady also did help establish about checks Blake seek quite a bit. So let's watch his willingness in the difference between him willing to name either. One of them the goats. Donald a great football player. I wouldn't put anybody had Lawrence Taylor Lawrence. Did it all? And and did it all for thirteen years. And he dominated he dominated games. Taylor's, the best I've ever seen certainly the best I've ever coached. Now his great quarterback. So they put him up there against anybody. But. You know, I don't really feel like it's my job to to rape people. So L tease the Greenwich I've ever coached. Then Brady it's like, it's not my job to rank who, you know. It's a very weird thing that he does. And maybe maybe once Brady and Bella check are no longer on the sidelines together he will change his tune on this. I have a strong feeling that he will. But he has been consistent about LT throughout his career in saying that he is the greatest player. He's the second. He's talking about player overseeing play football. But if you're if you're asking me the five best players ever seen in my life. Like literally they were different than everybody else. Brady's one. I mean Brady's like now at forty still great Lawrence Taylor's to I would say Reggie White member. Reggie White unblock of all I would say Randy moss for and somebody. I would say Walter Payton. And I know a lot of people in our twenties never saw Walter Payton Walter Payton, there's never been a running back like Walter pain. That's a that's a strong list. I don't not it's hard to hold. By the way, Jerry Rice who's right outside that list, really close by seen. So many great receivers Randy, Jerry, just ran precise brilliant routes. Randy didn't even look like other players. He was hopping over them Yemi ran. He was doing stuff. I didn't even look at an NBA player running down the sideline. Yeah. I mean, some may argue with you on Jerry Rice does a lot of people consider Jerry Rice to be the grace receiver. I totally respect at Moscow. I'm the guys I'm talking about like Lawrence Taylor. If you go to YouTube and look at this video he would grab quarterbacks with the hand and throw them like like, the he looked different Reggie White. You could not block Reggie White. I think it's it's hard in. We're getting to that level because Tom Brady has been the consistent leader, and you know, quarterback obviously of this dynasty. So we're getting to that level where it's like, you you you wanna feel like you have to say he's the greatest player of all time. But unlike basketball, I just feel like it's hard to really say, this is the greatest football. Player of all time. Because it's incompatible aren't stellar. Could not do what what is doing. And I think it's safe to say there's no chance Brady he's going to get out there. And do what LT did. And now all this other positions that you mentioned. So it's really hard to say that look at that video of LT though. Yeah, he humiliated, all pro tackle change changed the game. Yes. She transformed it. So I get we're Bilbao attracts coming from. But he also knows exactly what he's doing. He's he's being a little coy there. So we talked about how Jared Goff excels at quarterback speak. He's great at the microphone. You always says right things to lose his cool. And he was asked about that California cool yesterday. Born with and how I grew up and how van probably attributed to my parents and the way they raised me. And just try to understand that it's still just a game and have fun with it. You are who you are. I think there's plenty of different personalities run the league in at different positions. And I think, you know, for myself personally, like to take a certain approach the way am, and I know for some guys the different approach, and I think whatever works is what you should do you just so low key. He is. So he is so anti LA. I love it. He's as I just I love the fact that you bring this kid into LA, and he's just so he's anti he's like, whatever you get with Baker and Cam, and he's just the opposite. So yeah, I mean, he's that's that's not his personality though. I mean, he's not gonna shut to the Super Bowl and mink coat, but it it's it's pretty remarkable for such a young guy to just handle. It has that whole. I'm going to say a bunch of words at the end of it. You're like, what did you say anything? That was Derek Jeter is great. Gift. He talked for fifteen years. He never said anything. It's it's really farfetched it for for quarterbacks quarterback speak. Excellent. And finally saquon Barkley is likely part of a two horse race for offense rookie of the year. Baker Mayfield, obviously is the other nominee being mentioned. And saquon was asked about that this morning and had this to say. I'm going to go myself. Obviously Baker Mayfield names on the list had a great year this year. But me personally, I feel like if you ask my peers that played against me or coaches attic play against me a scheme against me who's a rookie year. I think they were saying me now I thought saquon incredible year. He did he was the one shining. Bright spot for the giants in what was a very disappointing. But he has a running back. He is running back, and they did go five and eleven I I have to give it to Baker Baker said the rookie record for touchdowns at twenty seven in thirteen. You know, why I would give it to Baker over sake. One because Baker had more to overcome the dysfunction of Cleveland. His coach was fired. His coordinator was fired. You know, I always said this about the difference between Aaron Rodgers and drew Brees look at what drew Brees overcame. They were the Cleveland Browns when he took the job, Katrina, they had to move breeze. Erin inherited a championship roster. Right saquon. Good ownership. P-, you know, he li- it's a stable organization. Bang overcome. Would argue Eli this year. But but I do agree with you. The dysfunctioning Cleveland is not comparable is actually this year. Isn't it more? Impressive of I told you you said yourself you met a four point student in high school in you said, yeah, he comes from a family. They all went to Harvard, and then you met a four point student said these I and his family to graduate high school or something you'd be like. Oh, wow. No, circumstances matter OE, circumstances or everything they definitely matter. And it doesn't take anything away from saquon. I think that baker's overcome more. He was he was more impressive than what he had to work within the circumstances. He had to work with any. He's he's deserving of it as well. And I I do think they're gonna give me Baker Mayfield went on undisputed this morning. I was ready to Pat him on the back. Had he come on this show choices Baker Mayfield made joy with news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard live. I. Agree with the media. A lot on a lot of subjects and a lot of topics. I completely disagree with the American sports media on the ram saints controversy. I do not believe it's ever a Commissioner's job to talk about officiating. David Stern did not hold a press conference after the Sacramento king. Laker Bockel in game six, and it was a massive story. People thought the NBA was rigged. David Stern did not hold a press conference. Don deck ger ninety five World Series. I think royal's cardinals book eighty-five, excuse me. Butchered. Call at first base change the World Series Commissioner didn't run down and hold a press conference. Commissioners should not get into officiating. You have a head of officials. Commissioners. In fact, I've criticized Goodell strongly for his inability to separate when it comes to. Off field matters. You should have a panel a commission. It should be mostly faceless dealing with situations. Highly controversial off the field. I don't want my Commissioner commenting when a ref butchers a call which Aref butcher to call. Goodell spoke today in Atlanta and said exactly what I would have said, it's his first public appearance in comment on this. He said, quote, our officials are human. They're not going to get it. Right. Every time technology is not going to solve all these issues. The game is not officiated by robots, but we will look again at instant replay coaches and teams have been very resistant to adding replay for possible penalties not called on the field. That is exactly. And precisely what I would've said he's a hundred percent, right. It is not your called micromanager. Right. We've all had the boss sometime in my life. I don't now. But I've had a Micromax. Manager where they give your responsibility. And then they hover over you constantly. You have a head of officials. That's what gets you gotta Mike Pereira. You gotta dean blandino. It's their job to talk about it wraps with all the time in that game. Earlier in the game the raft swift on a face masking penalty against the saints. That would have given the Rams a first and goal, and they would've scored in it had been twenty four twenty which would have affected the later series on the bad call against the saints that one I disagree with everybody in the media. A little update on some kyri Irving stuff. TJ Hirschman zodda joins us in studio as well. Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app. It's a big east basketball doubleheader tonight on f s one the action tips off at six eastern is number ten Marquette faces Butler, then Creighton hosts Saint John's at eight thirty catch it all on f s one and the Fox Sports app. Listen to this Jamal Adams of the jets just had lunch with levian bells agent. Lotta strong. Rumors jets are going after lady and bell TJ Hirschman giada. Joining us. We've talked about this. If the Rams win the Super Bowl, it's a referendum on free agency and trades work. Is it not the teams that feel? They're a couple pieces of way. We'll try to duplicate what the eagles a date, and what the Rams did if they are successful. This Sunday used to be TJ those were the goofy teams like the poorly run teams overspent on a corner from Oakland. Now, the Rams are like, yeah. Get guy. It's almost like the NBA one year contracts bringing Rondo bringing land Stevenson jail McGee. It's one year deal. They can help you in games. It's good. I like it. I I've always said the NFL mostly does. Anything better than the NBA except free agency. The NBA does free agency really really locked bust. It's better than the regular season. March. My gut feeling the Rams win this game. It's a referendum on spend money on veteran players in Dhammika. And sue tha Leib you you know, they may have a little stigma about him. But go get players, by the way. Bella check without even trying. I think trash talk Tom Brady. I shouldn't say didn't try. He used a word. Certainly do. We have the tape on this. So he's talking about Lawrence Taylor has no problem saying how great he is watch this. Erin, Donald's a great football player. I wouldn't put anybody had Lawrence Taylor. I can't put anybody ahead of Taylor. Taylor's, the best I've ever seen certainly the best. I've ever coached. And I just wouldn't put anybody. Okay. You laughed when you heard the word certainly I laugh because he said, he certainly the best I ever coach. And that was just don't ask me is he better than Brady. I'm telling you. He certainly the best player I ever coached. So don't ask me that. But I've heard Belichick talk like this about LT. He he somewhat has a man crush on them word. Yeah. He really respected in respects. How great of a player that Lawrence Taylor worth? By the way. Bella check is a bit of a trash talker. You told me. Yeah. I remember playing on once. I'm we're playing them. We beat the crap out of third preseason game. We smash them. It was like thirty seven zero. At halftime took the starters out like midway through the second quarter. He was so mad. He brought him back in play the whole game. Can so I catch a ball because we came on played I think two series into the third quarter now on their side sideline. And I said something to somebody. He liked shut the F up. Get their thought here. We did. Yeah. And it was just like he mumbled it under his breath. So I said what I said not just kind of laughed because we're killing them. And then we played them in a regular season same year and a beat us. Did you have a good game? I'm sure I did. I'm sure I do I've always always played well against like the better teams defensively. Steelers ravens to the rate. Hatred. Does the patriots play a different than ever everybody else know, what us it was? They just played us. A lot of to man to man coverage safety help order top man underneath. And so at that point. That's when it became a slide receivers game, which it became my game. Because they were trying to take chat out of it. Now, you guys like you made some money. Yeah. It was easy in a slot. One on one with safety help over the top. If you understand the coverage it's easy to get open. You know, I would say I don't think this Super Bowl means anything to ballot. Check. And Brady, I think it means everything to the Rams I wouldn't take that for. It means a lot to both teams. It means much more to the Rams because if the patriots lose what is everybody going to say, although be back here next year? How Brady still the best? Oh, check is still to go to all coaches. If the Rams win just three years ago jerk. Jared Goff was a bust you hire Sean McVay. Everybody's like, where's this conference? He he likes the league on fire. And then he comes back and does it again owe any wins the Super Bowl oh on twenty twenty. We got our stadium opening up. It will be a story. Unlike any other the patriots they wanna win. It's not like they don't have a lot to play for is just if they lose. Everybody's gonna pick the patriots to be right back next year. William guinness. At something. Interesting earlier, I said Willie if you broke into the league today, knowing what you know about the system over player patriots. And the star empowering Rams, which would you choose? And he said, oh, I'd go patriots. And I was like gonna make more money with the Rams who would you choose? I will go patriots Nessie that to me. Is it crazy because I'm I'm a I want structure, you let me personal metoo. I want structure, I wanna know if it's third eight and they play this coverage. One hundred percent, this is how the route has to be ran. So you're you're thinking the game not just playing it. Yeah. I wanna be on. I remember when I never forget this. I went to Seattle, and we're putting the plan and the Greg Knapp was office coordinator if it's too high. How do we run this route? He was like just get open. I said, but matinees understand how I'm going to run it based on coverage just get open. And I was like oh. Man. No because we need to be on the same page. Course, we're going to pray. If it's one high we run it this with it's too high. We run it this way. But to I can be cover for cover to. We just gotta understand that in. I want the structure I want the structure of everybody being on the same page everybody knowing what to expect from each other that that's what I prefer. Isn't that interesting not to call it? Greg Knapp, but the gap in coaching in this league in in places with certain coaches be here, then Seattle considered well run just get open. But you know, there's a lot of players that love that. Yes. Just get up like Chad. He loves that. Would I just get open? All right. I'll get open like talent wise chats five receiver NFL did not work with Brady because Chad is one of those snap the ball. Just get open type of guys, and you not gonna cover them. That's just him and Brady's the opposite. Here's the spot. I won't throw it until I trust your there. Every single time. One hundred percent. By the way, when when Brady is well known for, you know, the combine video, and you not very athletic Goto your NFL career. They oh when you walk when you when you walk into an NFL locker room, the ones I've been in these are pro athletes. I mean, I work out every day. I'm not a pro athlete. These are six four you guys are all cut Brady when he walked into this league. Did not look like typical pro athlete did you ever play with a guy and you're like Manta bad body to good player? Oh, man. It's a fueled. I wouldn't say a bad body because nobody is just really just fat, you know, even even a lineman. They're big, but they're solidly big. They're not just sloppy fat there for the most part there's very rarely quarterbacks that were ripped. I don't think I played with one quarterback that was ripped up. Give me your quarterbacks kitten them was not ripped up by any stretch of imagination. Carson was solid. Carson was an athlete, but he wasn't ripped up. But he was solid. He was like solid muscular, but not ripped up Kelly. Smith was in Cincinnati. He wasn't ripped up. He, but he's a great athlete baseball player Pittsburgh pirate track. It was muscular. But he wasn't ripped up. Matt Hasselbeck wasn't ripped up and flacco and Carson were similarly built. Yeah. And it's best the quarterback was this. You don't wanna have too much mostly you want that body to be loose and fluid. Thank you. I said this years ago, I always had this theory. I remember years ago. There was a quarterback that came into high school. I'm not gonna rip him because he didn't have a good career. He kind of he whiffed. Any went to Florida state, and he was a legendary weight room guy. And I remember seeing his traps glad used to follow recruiting really closely. He's huge traps. I'm like do during the wrong room. You have in the film room, not the white room. I don't want my quarterbacks to be ripped it inhibits the fluid nece in a looseness of the throwing in shoulder 'specially up in here you want Tibo Tibo coming into the league by two he became a weight room junkie te'o that too big. Yes, he did it inhibits it inhibits the natural just fluid Nisa throwing a ball. That's why there's not one quarterback that you've seen that is extremely muscular ripped up. It just doesn't work. Good senior, bud. Thank you, be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Our three live in LA. This is the her wherever you may be. However, you may be listening. We're on iheartradio Fox Sports radio and f s one I am wearing a sweater today. Signifying the cooling temperatures in America. Joy Taylor is going to nightclub in Fort Lauderdale. It sixty degrees here. Beautiful outfit. Thank you. I I really like it. You can I talk about that. Or is that not cool. I still think you're a fine journalists. Journalists is a strong strong time. You're not a journalist. No. I do not consider myself to be at your your opinionated report. Like a contradiction. I think I think he appropriate term would be an opinion est. Yeah. You're an opinion est. Yeah. Yeah. You got batter facts. And then that's right. Hit my opinion. That's the same way. Yeah. Journalists have well, at least in my mind responsibility. To just fact does not mean, you're not responsible. I am responsible with big J stands for, you know, responsible with my opinion. Right. I'm just not responsible to give you the facts. No, I'm giving you is my opinion. That's right. We're big fans of that a piece by the way, the heard found on Sirius XM channel eighty three. I would listen to it right now. If I wasn't on the air coming up in thirty minutes. New York Giants pro bowler saquon Barkley who. Join I admit we'd probably give second place in the rookie of the year. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be mad at the got. No got it. He was great. He's very deserving. He has a little bit Reggie Bush. I think he's better than Reggie below. But Reggie Bush later best for last. Why think this year's Super Bowl is about to break a long running tradition? But the NBA has bled into Super Bowl week. And we've been talking a lot about it this week. Generally, don't looks like Anthony Davis is in trouble. So let me get right to it. The NBA yesterday did something and it's just a crock. You know, I've been pro player forever. There's terrible billionaires. They moved teams all over the place. I mean Cleveland before LeBron after a poorly run business doesn't matter if it's an NBA team real waste management business. Sometimes it feels like both. It's it's poorly run. So yesterday, the NBA fines, Anthony Davis and his agent fifty thousand dollars who. For publicly requesting a trade, by the way, the NBA media guys like me, ask players all the time. If they want to stay somewhere. So a player can't talk about like his future. I think about this the NBA encourages it star players to talk about politics. To talk about social issues talk about the president. They encouraged that. But if a player talks about hoops, there's a fifty thousand dollar fine will then are you going to make sure that NBA media doesn't ask LeBron or Kyrie Irving or Anthony Davis or coil entered about where do you wanna play easy? You don't quite understand this. Okay. I read this morning. Lebron could get fined for tampering. Really, don't you? Encourage all your stars to go to social media lebrons on social media all the time. Isn't that the strength of the NBA they're better than the NFL on social media? But you're gonna find them as long as they tweet about the president social issues policy. But if you tweet about a basketball player, we're gonna find your fifty thousand dollars this is a charade. It's a con job. There's always been two stories in sports. The one league sell you end. Then the truth. This is a con job. The NBA loves this. Adam silver, absolutely loves this. That's why the fines only fifty thousand dollars fifty thousand dollars for a major agent and a superstar in the NBA that is tip money for the rest of us, by the way. Do you think it's a coincidence? I mean, join I been in this business awhile that the Anthony Davis. Lebron Laker thing broke seven AM eastern Super Bowl week on Monday. So as all the sports radio stations in America, the six thousand sports radio stations are jumping into their NFL talk. What do you know, the story broke it seven AM on Monday of Super Bowl week and flooded? Every show this is this is the big con, the NBA loves this. You don't think the NBA loves LeBron's been out for a month? The ratings have been sagging since he laughed. You don't think they like LeBron Laker Anthony Davis talk kyri to the Laker talk. They love this stuff. This in America today. NFL is king and the seasons winding down NBA's number two. And it's very good on social media and it in its its stars drive. The league NFL's kind of driven by the system kind of the brand the shield. NBA is driven by stars. You don't think datum silver loves that? His stars are getting talked about on Super Bowl week that I I'm not leading my show. Adam silver's told me before he listens. He watches he watches all of this stuff. He takes the temperature of the room sports is all about real estate. And February the NFL has been encroaching on the NBA's real estate for years. They've moved around free agency. They can move combines and drafts to get in the way of the NBA. This is the NBA fire and back in aerospace. Oh, it's Super Bowl week. Oh, it's Super Bowl week. Just make sure stories get out. Listen. This is not dangerous for the league. They're what they're doing is. They're patronizing New Orleans Adam silver in the league going. Shame on you guys. Shame on you. Rich Paul shame on you, Anthony Davis. That is terrible. Here's a fifty thousand dollar fine. You just patronizing New Orleans, which has had let's be honest a really crappy week between the call and the Rams game. And Anthony Davis leaving at ingrate great for New Orleans and the Benson family. So this has patronizing them saying patent him on the back. We'll we got your back on this those bad star players. You think it's bad for the NBA that Anthony Davis joins LeBron Los Angeles come on. And it's also not dangerous for the league basketball from AAU to college basketball to the NBA is always been about a handful of stars controlling the league. The NBA is always been about dynasties the Celtics Bill Russell one eleven and then you win. Into the Lakers, Jerry, West and wilt and Gail Goodrich. And then you had you know, the pistons and the m j and then shack and Coby and then and now we have the warriors. The Miami Heat thing was like very very close to a dynasty two titles for years. It's good. The only the only problem for the NBA is when the dynasties boring like, the Spurs dynasty was but basketball at the AA you level three best high school basketball players in America last year, all chose Duke. This is what basketball players do stop watching the movie hoosiers. It doesn't exist. That was a devotee. Great movie. I love hoosiers. That's not what real basketball's about today. So star players moving L tell you what's dangerous for the NBA. It's not stars going to big brands. What is absolutely dangerous to the NBA is seven teams were tanking last year. That's not good this year by March. You're going to have about ten tanking trying to get that kid at Duke Zion. Williamson your to got about five teams actively tanking that may double in about a month. That's a problem for the NBA. This is great great news for the NBA and a fifty thousand fine is a complete Khanjar. It's just it's pretending they care about New Orleans. All right. Let's talk some football. Tom Brady is five and three and Super Bowls. Let's say loses. He's five and four is he no longer the goat. Let's say he wins and goes six and three joy is even go dear. He's the greatest goat is the greatest of the goat goats. Like he'll be the Godia goat. Let's say Bella check wins and go six and three. He is the best coach await we know it. He loses and goes in five and four. He's still the best coach in the history of football. This Super Bowl has no impact on the patriots outside of the joy of winning. It will not affect Bella checks legacy. It has no effect on. Tom Brady's legacy. Best coach best quarterback. Philip rivers in this game that would affect it. But I'll tell you if the Rams win this game. It is a complete game changer for a lot of people. Let's start with Sean McVeigh thirty three year old head coach Super Bowl champ beats the reigning American domestic football genius. It would be massive for Sean McVeigh. Sean McVeigh goes into an elite group. He's the next Bill Walsh. He's the next Bill Belichick on the offensive side of the ball. Number two Jared Goff, kind of looks like Brady both from northern California Brady grew up idolizing Montana golf watching Brady west coast kids genius head coach, oh Jared Goff is the closest thing potentially over the next fifteen years to Tom Brady. It would be huge. The city of Los Angeles. This has always been a Laker's town. Football is still a growing business in Los Angeles. The dodgers are established USC football Lakers are established. This would be a movement. This would be pulling people away Super Bowls have a way of changing cities. They would also be number four big for other stars in this league. The Rams went heavily into free agency and into big diva names, historically that was dumb guide territory. Smart GM's did not do that. But for guys like levian bell guys on the market. It is big for players and let me add this. If the NFL had to pick a side who wins this game. They'd want Los Angeles about five or six years ago. I worked at the other place. I was told by an executive the NFL wanted to become more entertainment driven. They wanted. They understood they were now a television show more than a sport, Los Angeles is the entertainment capital of North America. Since I heard that six years ago Vegas is going to have team Los Angeles has two teams. They're moving the NFL combine here they've okay and completed about sixty percent of a new stadium and Super Bowls and the NFL network will take place in that stadium. This would be good for the league McVey Goff city of L A free agency as a whole NFL. This this game means nothing for Tom. Brady's legacy. Absolutely nothing for ballot. Check. But it is a game changer. If the Rams win. Coming up next. I'm not sure this is true. It has been suggested that it is. And I think it's worth examining with kyri Irving, potentially leaving the Celtics and becoming a Laker. I don't know if it's true. 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A lot of bad temperatures, hold you. Thirty four. I think I was like six. You know, I was a young child. I was experimenting, you know, back then very very experimenting experimental with the Vic sign X nasal spray came into jar back. Then is great for for this weather. Well, California, it's sixty degrees. Here's something that's been thrown out. I am not suggesting that it's true. Nor did I come up with this, Nick, right? Who works at this network. Feels that Danny aines made a huge gaffe recently. Now, it should be noted. The NBA has been very outspoken against Donald Trump Steve Kerr coach of the warriors. Trolls them regularly on social media Gregg Popovich trolls him regularly. Lebron James trolls are president regularly. It's an anti-trump league. They've been outspoken about his policies. They don't want to go to the White House like it or not that I'm just laying out for you. So Danny aines said this recently was talking about LeBron. And he said this his career is not over just wanted. You know, why he saying that? I don't know. You'll maybe think that that sells it he's taken the the Donald Trump approach trying to sell himself. I dunno. Okay. Nick right suggested. It was a big deal surprise more. Folks. Didn't sees. On it. It's not an exaggeration to say it was one of Danny ages biggest mistakes of his entire tenure. I will say the reason this to me is interesting is because I don't believe I think joy can attest to this. Having worked with me for six months. I don't believe in coincidences. And I don't believe in fate. Most things a