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The Great Gildersleeve 50-05-31 (369) Sadie Hawkins Day Dance

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29:50 min | 3 months ago

The Great Gildersleeve 50-05-31 (369) Sadie Hawkins Day Dance

"The Kraft Foods company makers of Craft Quality Food Kazan Herald Perry has the Great Gildersleeve. The Great Gildersleeve is brought to you by the Kraft Foods company makers of the One and only Miracle Whip Salad dressing. We say one, and only because there isn't any other solid dressing like Miracle Whip. It's different delightfully different from any dressing. You've ever tasted before. Miracle Whip has a lively teasing flavor. That's peppy, but not a bit too sharp. It's a goodness that's down right appealing. Get, Miracle Whip tomorrow like millions of folks everywhere you'll be mighty pleased with Miracle Whip. There's a new day dawning in Summerfield. Right and clear skies are blue birds there on the wings. It's going to be a wonderful day. Yes, Larry bound to be because the great Gildersleeve is coming onto breakfast this morning with a smile on his face on a song and his heart. rainfall round I shoulder, and the sky's blue above. Good morning little family mining anti. Leroy going to say good morning your old uncle. Economic, mouth. Take Time. There's some more on your face. You what an appetite! Your. Morning, but he really hungry this morning I can eat a couple of horses. Have Scramble. Side up! I can make jokes to. Everybody's in such a good human this morning. Feeling Pretty Grand Yourself. Yeah, what happened? Nothing happened simply my usual frame of mind Leroy on a fine summer morning. I know You were dreaming about Milford Last Night Catherine. was probably just trying to get comfortable talking to my pillow. You've got A. Sweetheart? By the way what happened to the bridegroom? Whereas Bronco, we left early this morning. He had to get down to real estate office. He's really working. Yeah, he's got hot prospect. What didn't you could be chasing hot prospects before breakfast? Asia. Let's leave Amman and paper think I'll drink. The juice I birdie well the paper empty. Way To read the paper. She always looks for the societe girls like that sort of thing. That's the salt. Please leave rice. Trou-, the Song Please Leroy. Handle, plight trough the saw. Leroy always say their plate Notre Leroy the sought. The salt. Is that what you? saw. Something interesting off the more. What is it my day nursing staff at the hospitals getting a Saturday night. Has Caffeine ask you to take around key. To sadie Hawkins Dance. With the girl invite the boys a lot of fun. You'll after call you up and ask you for a date me for a date. That's quite an idea. You WanNa get busy. Instead of you. Worry about your old uncle, my boy haven't. He asked her yet. Not yet, Marjorie, give your time still early. Dance doesn't come off Saturday night. As far as Dr Rose Miss Concerns he wouldn't ask him not a chance I don't know me either. He got a car with two exhaust pipe. He's got ears with no lobes. To Leave I. If you're finished with your breakfast. Why don't you go out and play? Have Fun. I remember before I was married before I was married and. That was well seriously Yankee, if there was a dance on Saturday night and I hadn't been asked for I'd be worried. That's the difference that experience makes it. Catherine calls and asked me date Saturday night well and good, except if he doesn't call I won't even think about. How can you be so? I'm concerned as I, said experience. My dear nothing attracts women quite so much as a man who simply doesn't care. Wow, you're right. Absolute. There's a phone. I'll get it probably Catholic. Probably me probably can look at them girls. Bronco. and. It's you eight you? Now you finish your breakfast leave. I, I'm going to work. Catching. Matches to light my cigars while I'm at the office, just wondering. Pinkerton man. Birdie, your bacon and eggs coming rattlesnakes guilty an oh. Yes, breakfast well. I wasn't thinking about that exactly. Birdie! I was wondering if we ever returned that Pie. Tin dimiss Milford Mother. I could stop by Milford is on the way to the office and drop it off. Where is it? Oh I took that back last week. He did. Isn't something we have of theirs. It should be returned cookbook maybe. Mitha guilty it you going by Milford. You don't want to take a no PAC. Tin Of cookbook you take power flowers have optimum roses in the backyard. That's not a bad idea if A girl always likes to get his throne. Girl don't get nothing I pack cookbook. A girl to get those jesper grounds Dole. Cookbook. This. Aubrey gather gathered bunch of. Leroy where the snippers. Catherine should love these roses. Awful lot of. That's pretty for a bunch and I got a hold on folk I be like a bridesmaid. Well the more the better. If I sent a rose to you for every time you made me blue. You'd have a room full of caffeine red. Barton's. Is Rock Morton F. B.. I. Lead Insured I. I just got a glimpse of you. Through the lean brought you a couple of roses gathered. Beautiful, thank you just going by but I'd stop in and say hello. How Nice Yeah isn't it a lovely day? Lovely Day to stop and see a lovely lady. Track Morton I'm not even awake you're. My sleeping beauty really. Dr And right now I'm just too tired. Nurse with a feet look more like a princess to me apprentice, waiting for prince to come along with a little less slipper. All right if you say l.. Reason I stopped in. Little telephone was busy quite awhile last night. Thought you might have tried to call can't imagine for what reason. Now I tried to call well good. Want you to call and get a busy signal. Oh. There's my phone probably Dr also calling from the hospital. Here. He must be following me radar. Nothing Excuse me well. That's alright I'll see you later. Coward well the by and thanks for the flowers. Welcome. Lou, who who you? or every. Room. Leroy, what are you doing here scouting around? Any luck over. See. Why don't you mind girl business? I don't have any business. Go, find some Jack. Leroy I'm not even thinking about that. I can't understand why you and your sister expect me to act like some giddy highschool girl. Waiting for the phone to ring is ridiculous. I'll get leroy. Good Morning. How are you this morning? What. Do you mean what? I said how you this morning and you said I'm glad to hear it. That right. But. What are you talking about? I mean you came in and. Mr! You confuse me, betsy. That's not possible. With everybody is morning all going around in circles. Around. Why do they have to put those like that on ice cream wagons? I don't hear any bail. L.! UTAH. Well especially. How do you feel is morning? Bring me the male betsy. Calls especially. WHO's at for. Bessie the phone didn't even ring. ooh! You are going around in circles this. Morning. Water victory and I think he's an. Office. Judge. Marta! Department is morning. Is Everything H. Two O.? What a combination old goatman jokes! Relaxed Saddam thank you. What are you going to wear? The Dan Saturday night Yelich. What Dance Good Gracious Gilded is metal? Dance hasn't Catherine ask you yet. Well, not exactly judge Miss. Matterhorn head nurse in maternity. Call me night before last. Tuesday cute Gal. Yes guy is an adorable. Can imagine probably a hard top Stutz. Live dance a Saturday night. You Suppose Milford dating somebody else. I'm not the least bit interesting to silliest thing I haven't heard of grown men like yourself twittering around sorority girls waiting for a date. Now of course I don't blame you for being a little source catherine hasn't call you. Judge a lot of things more important than a Saturday night dance old cars. As the phone Vesey, athlete, expecting a call Gail. Don't be so nosey judge. L. Catholic high told you she'd called. Philo Katherine. How? Good tackling something I wanted to ask you really here. This is going to ask me for data to me. Listen guilty. Yes Catherine! When you hear this morning. What is it, Kathleen? Here is leaking. Thinking I do be happy to? Sure, On certainly love to. Bring Overall Steven What did she say guilty if? I heard. You say you were going to bring overhauls and ideal costume per se, Hawkins Prodi I'll bet you got an invitation moved well. Yes, yeah, I bid of. You and Catherine and Miss Matterhorn and I have a jolly foursome. We kick up our heels, not now wait a minute later. By. What's the difference? I think I have a date for duty harm. He's so happy. I wish I was. will return to the Great Gildersleeve problem in just a moment. I know it isn't easy to plan a company menu little, please all guests, but when it comes to choosing the salad most likely to succeed well there, you're in luck because any solid that you talk with plenty of Miracle Whip Salad dressing will win cheers, yes, whether it's as simple fruit, salad or fancy gelatin mold top with miracle, whip it's bound to please. Miracle Whip is the most popular salad dressing ever created. Millions of folks prefer it. 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Catherine doesn't WANNA ask me to go all right. Once they asked that sneaky intern. Dr Olsen has her business. Even going to think about. Wonder why she hasn't called. birdie matching. Yeah thought I'd get home a little early for dinner tonight. Anybody call Birdie Nelson no calls. No calls a No. Anybody stop by Nelson Nobody's that bad. Nobody stopped by no. Just wondered. Well Guess I'll sit down and read the paper. Dinner's ready. To. Give leat Birdie. You got to pay up that down. Thank you. Yes. Hello MY G. Catherine! MARCI NO ON. that. Completely slipped my mind. She didn't even call you at the office. I guess you didn't I've been pretty busy all day album. What how can you be so casual about it? I should think you'd be going out of your mind, we know. I said this morning I did the only way to keep a woman interested in his pay, no attention to her. Well, I thought possibly Milford College at the office. There was somebody using our line all afternoon. Tried to call here later this afternoon. Why don't you just mumbling? Gobert Milford this evening. Fix Water Heater. Probably get all state in sheer, not that it makes any difference to me cars. Right any lack. Leroy. Free Baseball game. WHO'S GONNA win? Baseball game. I'll be back in time for dinner gentlemen. Children I'M GONNA. RUN DOWN TO PVS becks. Two minute again is almost ready, Anti. Suppose I go later. We're not coming home just now on this nothing going into the drug store. On second thought. I guess I'll take a quick rundown there. You. Before you get there? Leroy, that's not why am going. About. WHO's excited simply because I want to run down to a dance to up drugstore. Get a cigar for Kathy. Oh. My Hat. What you're doing there. Hello PV. Gallery. Commanding for you this evening. Looking, for somebody Michigan anything. OBT and just browsing around. You're looking for Miss Milford. She isn't behind the telephone booth I wasn't looking for Miss Milford. Tillack. Nothing. Just looking around. She, anything interesting. No military about five minutes ago, but she left. Well, it doesn't make any difference I'm going over to her house tonight anyway. But to give me a box of those assorted chocolates. not the dusty one. I, did. I guess that will. Andy Tan the nurses at the hospital at holding a big dance Saturday night Sadie Hawkins Party I. Believe it, and that's right girl inviting men. What's so funny about that PD? Except my business has dropped off a lot last couple days especially with the batteries, why is that? Hitting home by the telephone. Our. Team. Ringing it. Maybe some of your customers are waiting to be invited of that dance, even not me. Yes, I know John, Tucker Dan. He told me he'd been invited. Lot can't Miss Milford that. Ask you to go with her. I know that. That's what you told him, wasn't it? Yes, but. Smell fridge a very attractive girl. Maybe you didn't say anything about it to Miss Milford, did you? Yes. I told her I had heard that she had invited you to go to dance loom. Anything wrong he. Why did you have to open your big mouth? What did she do? She bought an upstate. What did she say? She asked me how he likes to update. DOT also peavy. Why didn't you tell me he with her? Ask Me. Did. Say. You're beautiful in any shade of Lipstick. To her. England. Later. A? Why did I ever tell the judge? Catherine invited me the old blabbermouth. and PB telling Catherine. If you put your big foot in at this time. Judge again I can hide some place. To Lake her I caught up in La. What to talk to you about Saturday night? Not Now I've got a lot of important things on my mind, but. Business can wait. Let's live. We're only young once. Again, I'm getting older by the minute. We all go in this matter. Horns car, a two seater to see you and miss. Milford can sit in the backseat today, and and matterhorn and I will occupy the backseat going home. I think that's only fair galley since its myths matter horns. is. Going to be jolly gelded. The rear view mirror has been convenient the removed. Please isn't there something you have to do someplace you have to be, aren't you? Late for an appointment, Gal I have only one appointment matters eight o'clock Saturday night. Move onto your tie when a little gold! I have no wardrobe all laid out. It steady Hawkins Dance, so I am wearing blue jeans and my Green Cape. This matterhorn is going to find the ear resistible. I'm going to put since then Michaela water. Doesn't I've got to go. I'd going in the same direction guild I. Know I'm going fast. Her. Were waiting. Good for you. Yeah, you children don't need I'm not very hungry. Lowly right any lack. To The table Roy. Never mind. I've lost my appetite then it on Mr guilty. Skip dinner tonight very. Rich to fix the water heater. I forgot about that. You look tired donkey. Do you think you should go tonight? Not a question of I shouldn't it's do I dare to? Nothing my dear, where am I over? Birdie get the pipe wrench Leroy. You going on. We all have to go sometimes. I'll go tonight. What am I going to say to Catherine when she opens the door? What can I say? Can't just stand there like a big old? Maybe I could. What am I gonNa tell her. Who telling the truth? Not that. I don't know though why not tell her exactly what happened. Make a clean breast of the whole thing by George is precisely what I'm GonNa do confess everything. Why my knees were shaking. One of my! Catherine. That little tiny girl! She's so pretty. Oh shock, Morton, it's you. It's Me Catherine Aren't you come in come in oh? Yes, thank you. I hope you'll forgive me for being so dull when you stop by this morning throckmorton dull. I've been working night and day all week at the hospital. I'm simply walking around in a fall. You're not. Catherine I want to explain. Why you wearing overalls. The dances mental Saturday night dance. I hope I didn't tell you the wrong day. I was so worried. I thought I'd called you and asked you about. The nurses dance Saturday night, and then I wasn't sure. Thought you called Yeah I. Didn't WanNa. Call you back and ask if I'd call. Chilly you would have thought I was still fish. I'm going to be perfectly truthful. Throckmorton I didn't know if I called you or not. And it was. Mr P.. The WHO's my life? Maybe he told me the judge Hooker told him that you had told Judge Hooker. That I'd asked you to the Dan those final men. Now I've confe- can. ME. Oh. Now I. Remember why you're wearing the Albro, the water heater is leaking. Let it leak. The. Great Gildersleeve will be right back. Next time he wants to please your guests with a super good appetizer. Serve a big platter of stuff, thanks. For that extra party touch Travis Chop up some Chris broiled Bacon and added to the stuffing. Of course you want, add salad dressing to just the right amount of just the right salad dressing, and what could be more right than miracle? Whip with teasing tempting flavor, the delicate zesty goodness that's made it the most popular salad dressing ever created remember when you want a salad dressing with a truly distinctive goodness, you'll be delighted with the one and only Miracle Whip. Catherine. A girl. What a wonderful day this has been. Oh Leroy Rocky you bet my. Boy. Come on. Let's go. But I. Certainly my boy! Scout I ask if we tell. The extra careful with matches and stuff. When we're out in the woods this summer, do everything we can to prevent fires clash. Be Real, careful, everybody very good, Leroy! We'll all be especially. Careful goodnight. Folks see all next week. The great leaders played by Herald Terry. was written by Paul less gone Elliott, an Emmy White Music by Jack. Included the Castro all their early rob, Lillian Randolph Kathy Lewis. 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Season 4 - Episode 2

They Walk Among Us

1:08:28 hr | 1 year ago

Season 4 - Episode 2

"They. Can to season four episode two. They walk among us apart cars, dedicated to you K true crime. Cleese. Listen to season for episode one. For more details on these two parts case. Dunk forget to water a copy of our new book. They walk among us now available in paperback e book and audiobook. Listen. A in is advised this episode contains adult themes than descriptions, that some listeners may find distressing. After a shooting on a small holding that left one man dead and two injured. Albert Dryden, was arrested and taken into custody. The incident followed a long-running row over a bungalow built without planning permission. It was supposed to be a routine operation to demolish. This building put up with that planning permission bought it all ended with a senior planning officer shot dead a policeman and a television reporter wounded following the siege which lasted two hours, a man was arrested after a struggle with armed police drama continued into the afternoon amid phys that the bungalow at the center of the dispute had been booby traps and explosive experts. Trump began on Monday March sixteenth nineteen Ninety-two at Newcastle. Crown Court with judge Justice worth overseeing the proceedings. Albert Dryden, was charged with one count of murder relating to the death of council planner Harry colon three counts of attempted murder against BBC reporter, Tony Belmont, PC Campbell and solicitor. Michael Dunston and finally to counts of wounding with intent due to the injuries suffered by Belmont and Campbell, the defendant pleaded not guilty to all six charges on the grounds of diminished. Responsibility. During opening statements. The jury looked impassive as they watched BBC news coverage of the planning dispute in which Dryden, shot dead, Harry Collins, before, turning the gun on the crowd of onlookers who had desperately trying to flee. They then watched the same event. But from a different tangle, taken by employees of the dough inside district council Albert Dryden, stood up in the dull 'cause the prosecutor, John Milford QC. Pause, the film at critical points playing some moments in slow motion. In a final still Ari. Colin soon was captured lying on the ground. In a ditch. The prosecutor John, Milford key said the defense will set out to prove to the time of the killing the defendant was suffering from such abnormal. Not of mind is to substantially diminish his mental responsibility for killing Collins San Milford, went on to say that the jury would hear from an expert witness that would prove the defense's claim of diminished. Responsibility was untrue. In spite of Dryden's belief that he should be facing charge of manslaughter instead of murder. The prosecuting counsel told the jury, but while much had been reported about the case, they should put that information to the back of their minds and base their verdict solely on what they heard in the courtroom. On the morning of June twentieth nineteen Ninety-one before the demolition was due to take place. Albert Dryden at posed for photographs in front of his property on allies. Elaine in county Durham. He was interviewed by BBC look north report. Tony Belmont in claim that he had an appeal pending from the department of the environment on the decision to demolish the bungalow. He said the council would be acting unlawfully, if they accessed his property, droid. An also spoke with Gary Willie a journalist with the Newcastle evening chronicle stated that hardware would be used to defend his land. Join Milford QC told the court the Talbot dried and admit with Gary William several occasions and in one particular exchange he'd threatened to use violence to stop the bungalow being destroyed. When Harry Colin soon arrived to lies Elaine on the morning of the shooting. He spoke in a reasonable, but firm manner, and confirmed the demolition was going to take place. Before retrieving a far Rahm shooting. Dead, the planning officer droid and said you do so at your own risk is entirely up to you. But you're making a sad decision. In the courtroom. John Milford QC addressed the jury of six men and six women. He said, what follows you may think demonstrates that droid and had decided to take the most desperate measures to protect his property that it was no decision taken in the heat will spur of the moment, and that the talk of guns which others in the past may have just thought of as wild talk was no such thing. One of the first witnesses take the stand was Michael Dunston the solicitor for Derwin site council. The informed the court that on several occasions, he had told council offices to get a high court injunction before proceeding with the demolition. You'll say testified that he had worn them that if there was likely to be any violence or threats of violence, the council should retreat an a different form of proceeding should take place looking distressed as he gave evidence. The solicitor said the two committee meeting took place in which both he and the local police force suggested they go into carry out the work without informing the defendant. And with her ofter revote they were overruled by the council. You recommended that the demolition should be done openly and droid and being formed of their visit. on the second day of the trial. Helen, Dodd, accorded ministration officer who worked at concert county court told the jury that she had spoken with Albert dried and around two months before the shooting Dryden, sought an injunction against the employees of dome inside district council and one speaking with Helen Dodd ITO, the council staff had been coming onto his land trespassing, taking photographs as he left dried and then threatened he would take a gun to the lot of them. The cool tool. So heard from the two men who had been seriously injured in the shooting. Bbc reporter Tony Belmont, had been hit by bullets as he tried to flee the scene. He described the pain is quite tremendous and said as always running. The pain seemed to subside there's a fear and panic that sets in, when you're running feel life literally and then the pain came back. Stephen campbell. A police officer who was shot while trying to make his escape spoke about his injuries. Was running as fast as I could considering I had a full uniform on instead and try to keep running. My leg went numb, but I kept on running. Some members of the public at the scene helped PC Campbell received I ate before he was rushed to the hospital. The officer remained there for a week was unable to return to work until five months later. Is injuries were not only physical, but mental since the incident, he also received counseling. Three witnesses to the shooting also recounted the series of events as Dryden opened fire into the crowd. One witness BBC camera operator, Philip Dopson told a packed Newcastle courtroom that he panicked when he was trapped with his colleagues sound recordist, as the cable linking their equipment became tangled in the jaws of a nearby. Digger. While they manage to free, the cable from the dig, they could not release themselves from each other. So both men had to make their escape while they was still tied together. Gary Willie told the jury at Newcastle Crown Court, the visited Dryden and been shown a bullet casing that was three to four inches long which the defendants allegedly described this full metal jacket. Dryden was said, to have told the reporter along with threatening to quote burn Colin San, he'll say threatened that he would burn the council plan his wife at the stake. In court. Gary Willie went onto say throughout the whole thing, droid and was off the opinion that he had been wronged by council officials from the planning department who he believed misled him. Jordan mentioned Harry Collins infrequently during these threats. It will say said that he would load up a car full of explosives drive into the Civic Center where council staff worked. The defendant had allegedly told the journalist, they would be running out of bodybags. Counsel for the defence Jane's Chatwin QC us clients included Yorkshire ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, and British spree killer Antony Arkwright cross examined, Gary Willie. The witness admitted that Dryden was seen as an eccentric. Not many people believed his threats. The journalist did not take seriously Dryden's threat that he planned to drive a car filled with explosives into the Civic Center. The first week of the trial came to a close Newcastle Crown Court would hear from detective chief inspector off the proud. The defendant had asked to speak with him during the two hour standoff and was also interviewed by proud after being taken into custody during questioning droid and said that he could hear voices and even claimed the Terry Collins, soon was haunting him in his jail cell, the defendant, I denied the shooting. But slowly. Agreed he must have committed the killing. Dryden told C I proud that he recalled firing the weapon above the heads of bystanders as they tried to flee, but said that he did not want to hurt anyone and Ashim the bullets would land in some nearby Heather at the end of the lane. Following a cross examination DC, OI proud was questioned again, by prosecutor John Milford QC and the witness said that Hello droid and alleged he could hear voices. This wasn't until June twenty-first. He second day in custody. There was no mention of these voices when he was first arrested. Transcripts of the police interview between Dryden and the police were read aloud to the court. Dryden was asked what he meant when he told hurry, Colin Jackson, you might not be around to see the outcome of this disaster Dryden told officers that he simply meant that another planning officer would likely be involved. And this was in no way of threat. Albert Dryden, was also questioned if he had planned the shooting and he said, no. I do not know what's come over me. There was no motive. I don't know whether I'd done it will not. I don't know why I done it. It's just something that came over us an account account for my actions. I do not know where the gun from was a one thing. I leave I'd been in control it probably wouldn't have happened. The jury will say shine the revolver used in the attack and their reform that Dryden had an extensive collection of weapons. Forensic farms expert Malcolm Fletcher, took the stand, and testified, that of all the firearms found on Dryden's property. The webley patented Enfield manufactured revolver used in the killing was the most effective the some of the other guns found were not capable of being fired. Is the second week of the Trump began Albert Dryden would take the stand. He told the jury that he mentioned, his plans to build the bungalow to council planning officer. Hurry, Colin soon, and April nineteen eight Lou he was familiar with at the time and the planning officer arrested the cost to build the home at seventy thousand pounds, droid. And told him that he thought he could do it for fifteen thousand the pag tone, incredibly well during their earliest association, Android, and even cooled Colin soon a gentleman. Gave us all the attention. I wanted he seemed first class. The defendant said. Whenever droid and had questions about developments on smallholding Colin's soon was quick to answer. Then even telling the defendant, there was no need to book an appointment to see him just come along to his office. When discussing the pair journalist, Gary Willie would say Alberton, Harry built up a close relationship. I was told the to regular in Collins, office over coffee and biscuits, and Harry opened his heart. Dryden about how upset he was not getting the senior job in his department. After a new head of planning was appointed a DOE inside counsel droid. And said it was then that their relationship began to sour. According to dry Dan, when he discussed his plans for the bungalow cooling soon allegedly told him when it's up to you, it will never work. A think you becoming back in a few months time saying I wish I never had bothered. Droid and decided to carry out the work on the small holding and calculated that he had spent two thousand five hundred sixty man, I was in all over the period of Neely year. When it was almost complete in the roof. Covering was being added Dryden received a letter that settled work must cease and the building would have to be demolished. Upset droid and took the letter to hurry, Colin Jackson. He was sure there must have been a mistake, Colin Santo dried in the building would have to come down as no planning permission had been submitted. Dryden told the jury that he was infuriated and said it given us verbal agreement to do it. He had not stopped us in any way. Further frustration came when Dryden said the Terry Collins chose not to attend the planning inquiry. He claimed that if Collins did the outcome would have been different and he could have kept the bungalow. Dryden, also alleged that after the inquiry he met with Colin son, who said, if I'd been at the inquiry and told the truth, I probably would have been sacked, we should have stopped cheap before we started. Albert tried and spent three hours in the witness box. He told the jury t accepted, the t took the life of hurry, Colin San, and injure, Tony Belmont and Stephen Campbell though, he professed he could not remember doing it. Testified the one of the last things he recalled was the excavator being given the signal to go ahead and move onto his land almost instantly after seeing the signal for workmen to move the machinery, droid and said he had a blinding headache, which felt like a brain hemorrhage. You'll see ya. You try to make it back to his caravan to get his medication. The caravan seemed to be moving on water. Dryden set I didn't know where I was on a new something was going to happen to me. The next thing he could remember was being in his caravan, which was surrounded by armed police. From the stand Dryden was asked how he felt about the shooting and he said, a think it's a tragedy. It would have been voided. It should never have happened. Then it was because they decided to take the law into their own hands and not back off. They just wouldn't wait a few more days or a few more weeks and all turned out very badly. The prosecutor queried, if Dryden was happy to disregard the Lord, if it didn't suit him and the defendant replied, I don't think so. John milford. QC went onto highlight the stockpile of weapons found at droid property. But the defendant said that he could see nothing wrong with it. Tried until the coup at the at punches. The world will one weapon used in the killing for ten shillings before his twelfth birthday in nineteen fifty to a school, friend had stolen the unlicensed firearm from his father was looking to sell it dried and testified that he collected guns is a boy, and at bought a Luger pistol under sniper rifle, which he tested during evenings at a nearby foam. When asked about the weapon the deed, stored under the wheel arch of his caravan, Albert Dryden, said that he put it there. Z was concerned someone might steal. It. The defendant spoke the voices he heard before the shooting some told him to burn down the council offices others to deflate. The employee's Car Toys. Droid and said the two conflicting voice in his head to try to persuade him. Not to do it. Prosecutor John Milford. QC addressed Roydon and said, is there any truth in these voices at all? Or is it the case that you are more than happy to invent symptoms might give others the impression that you are psychiatric Liane? Well were at the time. Droid and insisted that the voices were real. He also disagreed with the testimony provided by journalist, Gary Willie. He proclaimed the did not say he would burn Harry colon soon, or his wife and did not practice with a machine gun. When testifying about the character of Gary Willie droid and said he is a lawyer is a stranger to the truth. Being questioned by his cancel James, Chatwin QC Albert Dryden, was asked whether he thought the council planet deserve to die. He replied, everybody has to die, but nobody deserves to be killed. Dryden apologize for shooting both Tony Belmont and Stephen Campbell, but went onto say they had only been there because of Harry Collins, telling people of the demolition. The defendant seemed confident that he was not to blame and it was calling son who could not let the matter rest Jordan said, Mr Collins was obsessed with having the building down as long as it's state is position was jeopardized, one St. us nearly crying. Well, James Chatwin, QC agreed, Talbot droid and pulled the trigger the argue that Dryden was not accountable for his actions. droid was born may twelfth nineteen forty two parents Nora and Dell but droid and senior his mother and father were members of the Salvation Army Mohali respected figures in the community. No, but was a withdrawn and solitary child, though, had a highly active imagination. Raised in concert. Dryden was the fifth of eight children and from an early age developed a fascination with Americana. He would often be seen playing Cowboys and Indians. These father passed away when he was fifteen. He struggled with his studies an after school Dryden worked on a farm before finding employment to the concert online company. Look his father before him. Unfortunately, his position that did not last long. So he found himself in the army. These two did not offer much appeal before he left under a cloud following his basic training. Along with the love of guns. He developed a fascination with rockets which he picked up from a childhood friend who had been part of a rookie society when he had studied at Oklahoma university in the United States. While reminiscing Dryden told the court that on one occasion. He set off a homemade rocket an accidental almost struck an aircraft. When Dryden was twenty one in nineteen sixty one he'd been stopped in his efforts to construct these homemade rookies after police discovered that the parts he had been using came from German Luger, semi automatic pistol, for which Dryden did not have firearms license. The authorities also found that Dryden was making homemade highly volatile explosive fuel to power. His rockets is actions were discovered after he threatened farmers who were unhappy that he was using a nearby field as a launch pad. For his actions. Dry was fined five pounds at concert magistrates court. Despite his later admission that he nearly brought down aircraft at the time droid in protested insisting the fuel, he made in his garden shed was not dangerous as the components included sugar, which he proclaimed we use everyday too. You'll say claimed he had successfully launched ninety eight rockets the travel up to three miles into the air. I was going to try and beat the amateur flight record. He said. In nineteen sixty six droid. Again, found work with the constant company in this story who they since become part of British Steel. You never moved from his childhood home on. Prese Mun Daven you in the town of concert spending, his mornings, and evenings caring for his elderly mother and brother. You had diabetes and down syndrome. After Dryden was made redundant in nineteen ninety u I purchased a convenience store. And when that failed to make a profit you bought a chain saw and began to cut logs, which he then sold is neighbors were less than thrilled by the noise, so droid and moved his operation to a piece of land on allies, Elaine, which he leased from his then girlfriend's mother nature buying it out. Right. That he could continue his woodcutting business, and any other activities, he'd liked undisturbed. Eventually he settled on building a shed for cattle, then a greenhouse, then a bungalow which the council requested he demolish. Hills Brutan in part, by the stress of the impending, demolition Dryden, visited his GP Dr Chapman on June the eleventh nine days before the shooting. Dryden, was not eating and barely sleeping. The doctor would like to give testimony that Dryden seemed unhinged and very agitated, although he did not feel alarmed by his patients behavior. Dr Chapman, prescribed Dryden, with a mall tranquilizer. They did not think it necessary to give him antidepressants who refer him to a psychologist. As he's testimony Ken to a close. Dryden spoke about the day of the shooting testified that he had not planned to resist or be violent. He was reminded the no point during the police interviews offer. His arrest. Did he mention the teed suffered any form of brain seizure, droid insisted that his health was a matter for doctors, not the police? However, he was also reminded by the prosecutor that this was never mentioned to the psychologist or doctors he spoke with after his arrest. during the trial three doctors were called by the defense to argue the case of diminished responsibility. The included doctor Leslie Burton, Dr Peter would along with the home office psychologist. Dr Eric, right. Doc to write testified that the defendant was more self disciplined and self sufficient than the average person. He exhibited signs that he was more conservative. And in spite of the shooting, generally less impulsive. Cue was eighty in the lower twenty five percent of the population. In his opinion. Dr Ryan said, droid and showed signs of obsessional personality disorder paranoia and depression. Doc, Leslie Burton also saw droid and the number of times wall in custody. Droid and told the doctor that he had made attempts to contact Margaret Thatcher, then prime minister to settle the dispute he had with the council joint with the prime minister travel costs that included airfare and taxi fees. So she wasn't all towns of pocket. Regarding Dryden, Dr Burton told the court he likes things in a very cut and dry manner, or black and white. There aren't shades of gray. The doctor made notes that listed the defendants obsession with detail and concluded that Dryden was depressed. Further nights were made that Dryden's behavior was becoming evermore Radic is he was not reacting well to the stress of being incarcerated. Doc Burton came to learn that droid had been through a period of severe, reactive depression, two years before the shooting and believe that the defendant was in a psychotics date. During the discussions shortly before the trial Dryden, voiced his desire to open a hotel or a com. Use Iem he believed he could obtain a European Economic Community grant of ninety five thousand pounds to help him realize his ideas. Dr Burton testified, this did see more, given the defendant circumstances. The Dokes who believed the Talbot droid and was suffering from an abnormality of Moinuddin juice by illness, which substantially impaired, his responsibility. He said, in my opinion, a paranoid, obsessional personality would amount to an abnormality of mind. The doctor will say believe that Dryden was suffering from a depressive illness before the alleged offense as he lost interest in his hobbies and had suicidal thoughts, droid and told him that he twice played Russian roulette, reportedly said, I seem to have been sped for some reason or another. When the topic of droid ends inability to recall, the shooting came up in court, Dr Burton said it could be genuine. I'm nesia with somebody becomes extremely emotionally aroused. Dr Peter would a consultant forensic psychiatrist. Also gave evidence on behalf of the defense. He'd seen droid onto occasions leading up to the trial. The doctor knighted that g twist family history and his own eccentricity. The defendant had a depressive predisposition. According to Dr would Dryden and exhibited elevated levels of paranoia and psychosis. And had highly abnormal personality. The docks have believed droid had been paranoid and obsessional for many years. During his meetings with dried and the doctor knighted that the defendant had a morbid fascination with death from around the age of ten and the impact of his father passing during his teenage years, which certainly have had an effect. Dr Peter would also told the court during his discussion with Dryden, he came to learn that the defendant claimed the when he was younger. He had been shot in the head twice. The first incident occurred when Dryden was eighteen he was hit by twenty two bullet in a shooting range accident. The second incident happened four years later, when droid and his friends were messing about with a Colt, revolver. Trying to shootout PAL's and tin cans of the top of each other's heads. Despite the damage being superficial doctor would believe this to be of medical significance because of the circumstances that droid was putting himself in doctor would also mentioned our but Dryden's level of self discipline and said the difficulty is that when that control goes, it goes in a big way in my view in this particular case at the moment in question Dryden, thought he was justified in shooting Mr Collins. So would concluded that Dryden's responsibility in the shooting was substantially diminished, as he was suffering from symptoms of anxiety and depression. And this led to a considerably abnormal mental state. To rebuff the defense's argument, Dr Hamish McLennan was cooled on behalf for the prosecution, he spoke without, but droid and three times while he was in custody, an agreed with elements of the other doctors findings the droid and suffered from depression. And had an abnormality of mind, but McLennan believed it was not substantial enough to affect droid responsibility for his crimes. Part of a report, the doctor produced on the defendant described him as a pathetic obsessive depressed and paranoid. Man of limited intelligence pushed to the limit. During his testimony, Dr McLennan stated this man was in the center of grand opera like setting, what to change the metaphor, a scene from a western film in which the homestead or is going to be a victim. Due to the Cameron, spectators took to McLennan wondered if droid and could have felt that he needed to act out the part. The doctor testified that droid behavior escalated when he saw the excavator, and along with his hatred for hurry Collins on which the defendant, sores representation of the district council. He despise so much this caused him to act as he did. The start of the third week of the trial, the prosecution and defense began their closing arguments. The dressing the Jerry John Milford QC reminded them of the threat to Newcastle. Evening chronicle reports Gary willy, and dismiss the defense's argument. The Talbot droid and was not responsible for his actions. The prosecutor said he was not a rubber band, suddenly finding himself stretched to the limit. He was a man who decided what he was going to do to use a firearm, the first bullet went into Mr Collins haunt should there be any doubt about its effect, a further to went into his vital organs that ladies and gentlemen of the jury is murder. Milford went on to say maybe he did not have that machine gun. Maybe he was not going to burn MRs Collins, sin at the stake. But one thing is certain he did to us, the Americanism burn hurry, Colin Jackson. The judge Justice ABS worth provided comprehensive summing-up of the case that would run well into one hundred fifty pages win transcribed. She told the jury it was the prosecution's job to prove murder, but said it will be for the defendant to prove to you on the balance of probabilities, the teas responsibility for the crime of murder is diminished. The jury were allowed to watch the footage many times as needed, and the judge said the conflicting medical evidence on the issue of droid responsibility would need to be considered. The judge went on to say unusually this is a case where you actually have video films of the acts being done, which actually caused death before she reminded the jury nothing arising for many of these matters could in law justify the shooting of Mr Collins. Not Ninety-two, Albert dried and learned his fate is the verdict was read out Dryden stood silent, and impassive. The evidence lasted two and a half weeks. But it took the jury just two hours to find Albert Dryden guilty of murder earlier, they'd watched a video of the cold blooded murder seen by millions of TV viewers just hours after the shooting. The jury had dismissed the argument that Halbe Dryden was mentally ill. And from the short time it took to reach your nanometer verdict. It was clear they saw Dryden, as a cold blooded killer Dryden, had pleaded not guilty. But the judge said he wasn't abnormal enough to justify diminished responsibility. She called the shooting as she handed out, life for Collins, murder, life, pretending to murder, the council solicitor and seven years. Each for wounding a policeman and TV reports the detective who led the first interviews after the shooting emerged with PC Stephen Campbell the policeman, who was shot by Dryden. My thoughts the prison. Mormon with hurry colon since family, the with the everybody else who's been tortured by we're also, you know, we should really be thinking about. Albert dried spun me as well, because they have to pick the pieces over swelled. The judge will so ordered the tool firearms and ammunition found on Dryden's properties be destroyed. the verdict numerous Celtics in the press continue to question. Why police did not do more when they were informed of our, but Dryden's intentions by journalist, Gary Willie is newly disclosed information highlighted that droid and had a previous conviction for farms offenses. He was granted a far roms license and purchased rifled when he was seventeen however his license was revoked three years later in nineteen sixty when his home was searched on a sort of shotgun, along with a quick -ment for making munition was discovered. He received twelve months probation. It was only a year later, and he was, again, in trouble with the law, as he was still using gun components on explosives to construct a series of home-made rockets. Despite this information police stated that they felt there was insufficient evidence to apply for a search warrant, and though those love for guns was well known in the local community few people came forward to inform. The authorities. Eddie March into Sistan chief comfortable for Durham Constabulary was interviewed and said, I don't think anyone who knew Dryden would have predicted the events at Butt's field. A no one can be blamed for the tragedy of the one that pulled the trigger no matter what amount of contingency planning to do. No matter what precautions the thinking of took the unexpected is always round the Conan, and it was the expected again, I would repeat Mr. willy. Dryden's friends. The council officials no-one expected. Albert Dryden to resort to the use of firearms. To make matters worse for the victims and their families drawing was being described as a misguided genius and folk Kira that was merely eccentric, standing up against those people in authority, a David and Goliath struggle over counsel bureau, Chrissy as a second letter had arrived at Dryden's residents, two days off to the shooting saying that the demolition, musk. Go ahead is supporters who had already gathered three thousand signatures continue to call for an independent, public inquiry into the matter. Things continued to go from bad to worse when an individual claiming to be a droid and support a sent multiple death threats to ROY Colin Jackson, one of Harry's surviving brothers, the two letters appeared to have been written by the same person on the same note. Pat, the nights read that if ROY did not shut up. He would end up dead luck his brother. In one of the letters. It's threatened. The ROY Collins would need is in the back of his head for the rest of his life, Colin Jackson believed the threats related to comments he made after the trial. He told reporters the best thing, but droid and can do is go into his cell, and hang himself. Stone working at the local council. Also continued receiving correspondent said to be from Dryden supporters well into the following year. Dryden's family condemned the action and said there is no way we can tolerate anything like that. We can't forgive that sort of behaviour. only two days into his sentence, but dry in order that the bunk ally between down. There's one of his brothers unto brother-in-law began demolishing the roof and part of the brickwork they roster for comment by the press. One of them said, we have nothing to say we have had enough. The enticing story building was eventually taken down. is the ofter affects the sheeting looked to be abating comments made by one of the council planning committee members Derek MC Vickers, again, spark to public world wind when McVicker said that he could understand why Dryden took the action. He did. Macvicar is a local businessman. It was one of the committee members that agreed Dryden's bungalow hat to come down was furious when fellow planning committee members deferred decision on a building, but McVicar owned, he said, a concordia understand how an applicant gets frustrated and does things like Dryden. It makes me very very angry. It was discovered that the council planning committee member at been using a building to serve his physicals without permission since nineteen seventy five and sorta decision retrospectively. While he received widespread condemnation and the comments were labelled insensitive buys fellow committee members, their Vickers, initially refused to apologize. He said that he did not support what Dryden did he was friends with hurry. Colin's aunties family. But claimed the council's decision to reject. His proposal was horrendous. The committee would like to grant but Vickers, retrospective planning, permission, and he apologized for his remarks after what he called an eruption of pressure. we after the trial. It was announced that a fooling quest into the death of hurry, Colin soon, which was adjourned, pending the outcome of the trial would not be concluded, Geoffrey Burt, the coroner for north Durham said that. No useful purpose would be served if it was reopened. Rotate will cool for judicial inquiry into the death of hurry, Colin by the national and local government offices association which he had been a member. Due to what was said to be a rising trend in attacks on public officials fellow members of the association, said that the internal enquiries that had been completed, so fun would not go far enough. Union leader. Joe Williams said the murder of hurry. Colin's thin is an extreme example of an ever growing problem of violence against all types of people doing their jobs people from all sectors, a subject to verbal and physical abuse on a daily basis. These included people as diverse as bus drivers police boss stuff, and even a state agents, the attempt to justify a dangerous. We must do everything possible to ensure that a tragedy of this nature never happens again. The one thing that is for sure is that the whole incident has raised a number of questions of different kinds. We got to the police for three card to the thirty and with regard to procedures that will be used at the time. And although Mr. Johnson has told me previously that they're covering Oaten inquiry and has promised that the this will be made available to the trade union. Completely that nothing will be held back. I've got to say that, as far as we're concerned just as shouldn't only be doing just this should be seen to be done, and it won't be in this report produce later that month would absolve inside counsel of any wrongdoing. When chief executive Neil Johnson wrote overrule, I found that the authority acted within the law and not time. Was it capricious in his dealings with Mr. Dryden, despite having to work in an atmosphere of threats and violence, a commendably, calm professional and impartial approach was adopted by the authority. In another report. This time by the rural town planning institute. Agreed Terry Collins acted correctly when carrying out his duties these findings will met with position by group of supporters of the killer, who were naming themselves the friends of output Dryden. After Albert Dryden, was sent to serve his sentence in Franklin prison in county, Durham, the category. A prisoner reportedly started a DIY job in the workshop constructing furniture for prison cells. Solicitor confirm that he would be seeking to appeal his sentence. During the middle of my, the three police officers who tackled out, but droid into the ground received a bravery award for their actions, along with sergeant Jones Taylor, police constables, Phillip Brown and unday ri- received the Durham Constabulary's Matt Wilkinson trophy, which on his outstanding police work. On the morning of June twentieth. Nineteen Ninety-two a year to the day from hurry, Collin's death. A nature is was dedicated to the council planner after Ray memorial fund at raised over twenty one thousand pounds. Five acres of land will purchased in Hollywood in the dough and valley and Durham Wildlife Trust would manage the community reserve. During a service to commemorate his passing a stone memorial was unveiled. The inscription read Harry Colin Nitra reserve tragic price to pay for doing a job, which we as members of the community required him to carry out twentieth of June. Nineteen ninety one. Of the funds raised rule. So used to set up a travel scholarship to new Kosugi university, where Harry Colin studied. Harry surviving brother ROY spoke to the press and said the memorial is a fitting tribute to Harry in an area he loved close to his grandparents, and mother came from and fitting for his interest in nature. In later years tribute to hurry. Colin's would be moved to Durham county whole along with other county council. Dedications to officers kill in the first and second world wars. Dryden supporters were fighting to get the voices heard by the council behind bars droid and was fighting his own battle after the trial, a judge ruled the tool firearms and ammunition found on Dryden's multiple properties be destroyed our droid and wants to keep the weapon, he used in the murder, so he could sell it. Upon his release. You'd reportedly said, I've had it for forty years and Domi total to some money for it. Droid them was under the impression that the revolver could fetch upwards of twenty thousand pounds and he requested the police auction, the weapon and put the funds side, local newspaper, the Newcastle journal spoke with a firearms expert, the worked for an auction house. They confirmed that the far on would not fetch more than sixty pounds the experts said for a similar gun to reach the twenty thousand pound price, tag droid was claim. Wing, it would need to be incrusted with diamonds. To no one surprise joins. Request was denied. Dryden supporters continue to campaign for an inquiry during one such meeting at the end of July nineteen ninety to one hundred people gathered to voice, their unhappiness with the council's decision friend of Dryden's Jill whole said that she had gathered at three thousand nine petition backing inquiry and claimed she was going to present this to the prime minister. Questions that have to be answered that just do have to answer them and the talk about an internal inquiry can't see how the can actually investigate themselves. So therefore, we would like to see an independent public inquiry and it's not just the council would like to think it's a small minority in the area, reticent the three thousand plus names in here to sit and these people wouldn't sign this as didn't feel strongly voted, so you can say that every person in here wants an independent. In august. Nineteen ninety two it was reported that how Dryden had been granted leave to appeal his sentence. No date had been fixed for the proceedings which would be held that the court of appeal in London. It was believed that Dryden's mental states at the time of the killing would be the central plank of the defense's argument. The decision was condemned by hurry. Colin's brother ROY, you said it will be a waste of money, Albert murdered. My brother and millions of people saw him do it. from behind bars droid and continue to amass support from foam in the north of England, you face their own disputes with local councils one, such pharma, David cannon from south Byzantine farm in Newcastle. Upon Tyne became so I write with his local council, he arrived at their offices and sprayed, the building with four tons of manure as they had refused planning permission for him to build a retirement bungalow near is farm. When dried and found out about the incident he wrote to the foam of from his cell part of the letter read, you did a good job. It was well done. And I am proud of you. Foam is and locals upset with DOE inside counsel were not the only ones communicating with Dryden, seven-year-old Darren Graham who lived in concerted been allowed to ROY to the inmate as his grandmother and mother was supporting Dryden's calls. While the prisoner was unable to keep up with the volume of correspondence. He was receiving most of it. Reading like fund mile. He replied to DARREN'S. Let's telling the seven year old he just had fishing ships for dinner, and to be a good boy in school. After making the front page of the Newcastle journal in a photo, the picture Darren smiling and holding the letter penned by Dryden, DARREN'S mother told reporters that she didn't mind her son corresponding with a convicted killer. She believed he was innocent. She would be visiting droid and imprison. And joining the gathering the was headed to number ten Downing Street to deliver a petition requesting an independent inquiry into the case be carried out. Inquiry would take place and it wouldn't be until February, no teen ninety four that an appeal was heard before Lord Chief Justice Lord Taylor, Mr Justice McPherson, and Mr Justice steel. James Chatwin QC was acting on behalf of Albert Dryden and John Milford QC, and Ian Graham acted on behalf of the crown joins council requested that the three appeal judges were juicy sentenced to manslaughter due to diminished responsibility and provocation. While much was made in the prince of the reasons for Dryden's actions, the appeal it self was based, solely on the comments made by the judge Justice Ebsworth in the first part of his argument James Chatwin QC said that during the summing up of the case, the judge failed to fully convey certain aspects of the medical evidence presented a trial Chatwin agreed that the judge correctly conveyed the law surrounding diminish responsibility, but she failed to drool the jury's attention to significant Telemann of the medical evidence. When addressing the jury the judge said, whether the app, normality, substantially impaired, his responsibility for the killing of Mr. Colin son is a matter for your judgment. It is a matter of degree, and you consider all the evidence in relation to it James Chatwin QC submitted that this may have directed the jury to believe they could ignore the medical EV. Evidence, chad. We don't say claim that the judge should have told the jury they could only form a difference of opinion to the medical experts if the evidence provided justification full that conclusion. Dryden's counsel argued that the judge did not draw enough attention to the significant difference between depression in clinical depression, will severe depression. Jane's Chatwin QC also believed that the jury would not know the clinical difference between them which could have a substantial impact on the decision making process. The second part of the judgy summary, which the appellant's counsel, disputed was the judge's direction concerning the nature of provocation and loss of self control Chatwin felt, she admitted to draw the jury's attention to some of the appellant's characteristics, namely, his accent trinity and obsessional behavior. In decision, the three appeal judges felt the original trial, judge put across a comprehensive summing-up of the case and rightly directed the jury is they had a balanced medical opinion from both sides. The appeal judges also felt the jury will uniquely placed as they had something that was rarely if ever available to other jurors footage of the shooting. James Chatwin QC had argued that the jury saw what looked like a cold blooded shooting close range, went on to say the dramatic under neutral, circumstances, the shooting my well of roused them emotionally against the appellant. However, the appeal judges agreed. This meant the jury had no timely a balanced. We of the medical evidence from the appellants state of mind. But also footage of him carrying out the act. The appeal judges believed the jury had to consider all the evidence. Also in response to James Chatwin QC's claims that the original trial, judge should have told the jury they needed to justify their conclusions with other evidence. If it deviated from the testimony provided by medical professionals. It was concluded that the information the jury gleaned to inform their diagnosis was, in fact from Alba droid. So the jury will well within their rights to question his accuracy, only STI and reliability. The appeal judges, also reference, passages of the summing up in which the trial, judge made a clear distinction between the layman's understanding of depression, and a medical expert using the terms clinical depression, severe depression. Finally, when addressing the second point of the appeal that related to Provo -cation, three appeal judges agreed, that the trial judge's summing up was in that respect flawed as the jury were not directed to the appellants, obsessional and eccentric behavior. However, this would not be the end of the matter. Is there were plenty of factors, which did point to Dryden having an intent to cause injury as he announced what he planned to do and had prepared himself, but collecting a loaded gun? In their opinion. The circumstances showed that Dryden did no way loose, self control. Part of the judge's decision read. We are satisfied. The jury would inevitably of rejected the suggestion that to go in deliberately put on the holster come out with a loaded gun and far to kill with something, which someone with the self control of a reasonable man would have done. The three appeal judges were satisfied. There was not a miscarriage of Justice and Dryden's appeal was denied. The start of January nineteen ninety five a friend of Albert Dryden's, John Graham, who had campaigned for Dryden's release would end up taking his own life. He witnessed the shooting and stood near hurry, Colin soon when Dryden pulled the trigger. John Graham often visited dried and imprison, but he was haunted by the memory of what he had seen. He separated from his wife of sixteen years and had seen a doctor to treat his mental health problems. Sadly, his body was lighter found on Sunday, January twenty second nineteen ninety five under a railway viaduct his home in concert. You don't from multiple injuries after he attempted to hang himself. But the rope snapped defense thirty feet. The coroner rolled it is clear from the circumstances that he must have intended to take his life. In the late nineties, David Blackie, a former police sergeant far roms instructor. And tactical advisor began researching the shooting for a book that would eventually be published in two thousand and six could death on a summer day. He was a neighbor to Mabel calling San Harry's mother. And he had been at the scene following the shooting. Before the book's publication, Blackie, admit withdrawn imprison on several occasions. And he spoke to the northern echo about his money script, and what he saw when he came face to face with the inmate. My first impressions were of a stocky man in his mid fifties. About forty foot four with collar white hair come to cross his head. Look, the man in the hamlet advert with the rubican do peer, a spunky want bid, Danzig blue is looking a bit like Father, Christmas on a bad day. Blackie also spike about his experience trying to interview his subject. We're not try to all specific questions about what had happened on the day of the killing each time he would return the conversation to his plight as the hard done by little man just trying to do his own thing without causing home to anyone. It was not until much later, the toy realized that this random prevarication was a conscious and clinical ploy Dryden, to avoid admitting responsibility for the murder. When the prison governor allowed David Blackie to record an interview with this subject Dryden was informed and send the questions beforehand. Either the fact he was being recorded will the questions themselves, Dr dried and into a rage, and he would no longer speak with the author. thousand tonight, Albert Dryden, announced that he would be making a further appeal from his cell in hovering prison in Cumbria, you'd been denied parole in two thousand and one and again in two thousand and four is the parole board felt he showed little evidence of remorse. Estate has had, however, been reduced to a category, b prisoner affording him some freedoms. He would otherwise of been denied. Now, claiming he had grounds for provocation droid and had reportedly raised forty seven thousand pounds, which would go towards his defense. But this would amount to little Zoll his future appeals would be rejected. While incarcerated droid and became detached from reality, when he alleged that he was only sent to prison g to a conspiracy by the freemasons. He remained ever hopeful of being released when ROY getting to his friends and family often referring to himself as rookie man will the man of steel. He joked when he was released. He would be driven home in a twenty eight foot limousine. So where are we? during a two thousand seventeen it was reported the prisoner number c k zero six three five was going to be set free though. He would not be picked up by limousine. Albert dried, and it suffered a severe stroke an parole board agreed that he could be released on compassionate grounds. Alex Watson, a Durham county councillor, who oversaw the district council at the time and was friends with Dryden spoke to the press. Mr. droid, and has had a severe stroke. He's been in hospital and kennel speak is more than paid the penalty. You're talking about twenty six years ago that had happened is in poor health, and he is not going to recover and the prison. Authorities of decided he should be released. He will be looked after in a residential care home. Cannot home anyone. He is defenseless person. Just under a year later on the morning of Saturday. September fifteenth two thousand eighteen twenty seven years after the murder of hurry, colon Seventy-eight-year-old, but dried and died in a county Durham cowhide. Annex Wilson visited his friend few weeks before Dryden's death and reportedly said the man was dying. He had no life. He could notice head and shake his head. He was frustrated and very remorseful. Despite what people said he was remorseful. It is just tragic round. He never go to chance to say. He was sorry, but you could see the remorse in his eyes. Roy calling sooner was interviewed about the death of his brother's killer. Not once did he show any remorse. Cope ability or regret for what he had done. He looked to blame everyone but himself. It's over. Could what he is done is going to impact generations of this family to come. Good riddance to the man. Thank you for listening to huge. Thank you to patriot supporters who make this podcast possible. Nation, please visit they walk among us put cost dot com.

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The Great Gildersleeve 51-05-16 (408) Bullard's Boat Date

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Don't wait to get acquainted with kraft salad oil. Look for the bottle with a label. Tomorrow at your grocers yet kraft salad oil on these fine spring mornings when the Great Gildersleeve has nothing much to do. He likes to go out and putter around the yard. He contemplates the flowers Myers. The butterflies inspects the blooms on his apple tree and marvels at the Green Green Grass. Gio is the place looks great and about once a year. He takes a look behind the garage view. My goodness place looks terrible. Trash accumulate lear. I pretty big pile breaking Leroy. Everything we want gets tossed behind the garage tar paper. Cardboard Boxes Shoes Shingles Leroy that my water bottle. Yeah the split. You sat on the night of the big freeze. Let's see wear the matches. Why not be boy scout tenure foot? I'll go ahead and light it. I just had a horrible sauce was born toward Mr Bullard House. Burn the TAR PAPER IN HOT WATER BOTTLE. Put them actually burnish. I remember the day you burn the old tired Mr born came roaring over. Did it that you shaking? I was not. I just came out without my sweater. You came more. I don't remember do because big water buffalo. I DIDN'T WANNA start trouble when you didn't resent that he called you a Nincompoop. Can't call me that Roy. Burn the pile gotta be keen may not be home anyway. Excelsior so things will start. They was going to make a lot of smoke. Mr Bullard smokey bear Leeli. We're not trying to antagonize these. Butch even looks like a bear. The smell coming across the street here. We go again because you are and on. Well he'd Better Watch. I've had about enough of him. I Don that'd be the biggest battle we ever. This is the most small you. I'm standing on my neighbor to get along with. Good Morning. Your name Laura. Don't you good morning? Are you upset about something? Well no but. Aren't you cost corn? Say all the tar paper for nothing. You mean you don't object all this smoke drifting over your way. Gildersleeve you do me an injustice. You speak of me as if I were a crotchety mean neighbor. Yummy all eyelid. That was a time when you irritated me not anymore. I'm in love with all the words L. Glad to hear it instability. Glad you're not offended. I just thought perhaps the smoking type paper or no no. No no no no no. As a matter of fact euless you came over to tell you. I think you're setting a fine example for the neighborhood. I like to see the community. Need looking and welcomes guiltlessly. Espn civility your Prince of Othello. Day Mr Bill Leroy. He called me a principal fellow named component the living room window. Look that smoke. Pouring across the street bullard over eating it and saying he likes you so nice to me. I don't trust him. You must be after something birdie judge. I didn't expect you expect the drop in but I saw smoke and thought perhaps the water commission running away a road catch the Atchison Topeka and Santa Fe yield my goodness goats off his trolley. I particularly chipper this morning. Yeah let somebody does having trouble with bullard again. What's he doing? Tell you this time? He's being nice to me. Ranson is being nice to you. That sounds unusually tolerant for him. Not all he called me a principal fellow. What are you supposed to how he's probably grown weary pickering and now? He wants to live in harmony with his neighbor. Dot that the Mayo. Fist has cast aside the solar over. Now you must clasp his hand in friendship and together. I raise the olive branch arm. Don't be silly judge Hanmi Olive Branch Poison Oak. Yes yellow. You underestimate yourself. You and Rumson have every reason to be friends. You're both important men here in Summerfield. We are so yes. We are as an influential man. And you're the water commissioner. Yeah you have a Fine Analytical Mind Kim. You mustn't overlook the human sack humans. Rumson lives alone as do I. His heart must cry out for fellowships and a cheery word. I know mine just got me feeling good. Don't make me cry suspicious colored just because. He admitted he likes me. You judges right. Why shouldn't like everybody else? Does men dogs baby. Women say I wonder what Catherine's doing these days you check out in front of the House enjoyed and I've been so busy since the twins game. I'm hardly seen it. Even take her out tonight. She ll appreciated. Nurses get lonely. Do the you to forgive us. Hello remember me of course. How are You George? George just joking track morten but I haven't seen you for so long come in you. Thank you say you have an ice Tan early in the season in Santa La. I can tell you. Dan looks great but uniform. I hope you've had a pleasant spring. Ya Catherine I realize neglected you but I'm busy with the family all I haven't been neglected. You haven't women's pride dying me ask for a date. Gathered them. Yes why the water commissioner dropped in to read the meter Catherine. I WanNa take you out tonight. Sorry but I have a date tonight. It's possible no I didn't mean you're very beautiful girl. Niamh around lately so it is possible. How the twins to Morton they find good Catherine Yvonne Marjorie urology wonderful but uncle must be awfully proud is gathering speaking of tonight thirty. Stop it stop life. You don't really have a date. Well ask you to come along for proof. But I don't think he'd like it you. Yeah I know I can't ask with whom you're going. What are you GonNa do going on a Voting Party late SAF noon boating funny at Grass Lake? There's a full moon tonight should be fun. Yes well I want to ask him. You're going pretty hard to get information out of a nurse Who can be taken Catherine on? A boat is probably something young in the road as to be back at the hospital by eight o'clock. Yeah he'll yeah no concern to mine. Somebody takes my girl out for a boat ride in the moonlight. I'm not gonNA worry about. It looks so worried. We just wondering what I should do this afternoon. I haven't seen this Melford for a long time. Why don't you call her you not today? You're still not worried about Mr Bullard. Dario you about why was so nice to you this morning. That well is the judge explained. He's a lonely man and say I'm not doing anything either. Got Run over and invite him to go bowling Lindy. Y'All do you see you later Marjorie. A Nice thing to do appreciate my ask again just getting into his car the US going bowling with me this evening. Yes little talk. This morning I realized I should spend more time with you. You're lonely no I so have I. Little Games thank you but I have an engagement you late this afternoon. I'm going boating voting. Oh yes you do have a boat. I just noticed you have nice. Tend to thank you spending little time recently. Have you've been a loveless spring? Yeah I know it's coincidental. I just talked to potty. He's going into this afternoon. I WON'T ASK ME. Who Mueller going. Well it's no secret guilty. Isn't well good. I'm going with Miss Milford. Oh sure that's why you've been so nice to A. Why shouldn't I be nice to you? You've nice to me you have. You haven't once interfered with my seeing. Catherine thoughtfully withdrew from the competition. High Bid. Not I've just been busy with a little family. Well I've been busy too. Heard you've taken this beautifully. Gildersleeve your unknowable loser. Even when these nice sees a hard mandalite Gillislee we'll be back in just a moment. It's lighter it's super fine. It's salad oil. The first salad oil ever offered for home use by the makers of all those wonderful craft prepared salad dressing. Yes there is nothing new under the Sun at your grocers right now. A new salad oil kraft salad oil. The first salad oil ever offered for home use by the makers of all those wonderful craft prepared dressings. Wait till you tried in those wonderful salad dressings. You make yourself those light his heirs. You Find Gates. You're so proud of all your special recipes that call for liquid shortening for Kraft Salad. Oil is more than just a new oil. It's a new kind of oil super find for better blending by a special new craft process because it's lighter bodied it mixes perfectly with all ingredients but new magic in dressings cooking and baking those way. Put this new salad oil on your shopping list right now. Remember it's lighter body. It's superfine Kraft Salad oil tomorrow at your grocers looked for the bottles with the beautiful labels. Well let's get back to the Great Gildersleeve. His neighbor Rumson bullard started. Being pleasant to him. Are Crafty water. Commissioner suspected that something was amiss he was right. The midst turned out to be his girlfriend. Catherine Milford Grinning at me while he steals my girl turncoat. Your I knew was up to something. I Think Gossiping. Pv's and cool off the coke PBC goodfellow to talk to. You always makes you feel better guys. I won't let him know I'm worried. I just let him snapped me out of it. Without knowing what he's doing you know can do for you today. I stopped in for a coke and chat. Pd ran you on. I coke is five cents in chapters Sri Coke very speedy man relaxed chat about nothing in particular. A friend of mine was a little concerned about losing his girlfriend. Cain SEEMS UNSCRUPULOUS. Neighbour has been dating my friends girl behind his back. You been taking boat rides in the moonlight in fact. They're going voting late this afternoon. What's wrong with that? You wouldn't advise this friend of mine to worry about it. Would you together this baby? You want an honest answer or do you want me to tell you know. I don't want you to tell me anything. I'm just asking very friend of mine. Yeah and I know what you're thinking you think I'm the person involved. Do you believe for one minute that Catherine Milford would throw me over for a boat ride on grass lake. Here she comes. You might ask her you. Pd dropped the subject. Mr Baby you know friends throckmorton Morton Catherine I can I do for you? Miss Malvern. I'd like some Suntan Lotion ongoing bullying on grass. Lay coincidence. Mr Jealously was just telling me about a girlfriend of a friend of his WHO's going boating on grass mate. He I think he's a particular brand of Suntan Lotion. Milford Well Catherine if you decided to go boating in the daylight instead of the moonlight. We're doing vo late afternoon and evening. This one is a great favourite with ladies very soothing. And tell me. Is it a line. Spidey caffeine just a small group. Say to think there'll be several couples rack more good. What about this Lotion MR PD? A lot of people use it at the beaches. I've seen people putting it on themselves and even putting it on each other. I'll take a bottle Mr. TV here you are. Thank you bye Morton you call me sometime on you back. You can depend on that Catherine people going boating Michigan as yes. You can have a lot of fun on now. You're building party. I guess sell UNITARIAN. I remember the time a couple of US fishing alongside cabin cruiser and they were having a party to along toward dusk. They invited US board. The did we had time. I'd like to do again. You're not suggesting that you would. I go fishing this evening. I can't myself but flawed likes to wet line. Fishing is pretty good. If you get in fairly close to Mr Ability vote. The I wouldn't dream of doing such a thing. In your case it was different. You even know the people but if I went out there it'd be plan premeditated. I couldn't force myself to be that Grayson Allen Senior. I couldn't how about Floyd. We just sit there fishing and then pretty soon you just want to keep an eye on your girl. You don't need me yes I do. It might look a little push if I wrote out there alone. Yeah I mean via pal. Floyd fills up your barbershop. We'd the day before sundown. I should close up and lose money. You look at it this way. It might be time well spent you might be a good investment you. How often does Mr Bullard come in for Barbara Way? Well not too often you L. Floyd. If you rub elbows with bullets socially you might come in all the nine. I wouldn't be bad command. And they'll be on the boat friends of his big spenders. You might get them all coming to your shop right. You got an angle there you bet I had actually. It's very nice to meet you. Invite you to the party. Okay Commission. I'll gamble. You'll never regret it. I'll pick you up and half an hour. Good thing I called. Floyd reminded him to dress up the all white finals. Look pretty good. Some people may think a little to get on a boat. Not really honing in on Bullard in me I you behind my back behind his boat. Smart dressed up gone fishing fishing in those closed. They expect to catch Mermaids coalfields leave now sold on the two buttons. It was missing. Thank you mind. My don't you look Nice. I don't know what you're going Mr guilty but I bet you have a good time. You believe this but he says you on fishing mission. That's right think Bernie. Well I WANNA man. What's on his blue flannel? Courtney's two-tone shoes needs ice cream pants. Better I don't think he's going fishing. I amber goes fishing carries a line. You got that too brother. This is the life floyd if you like an Indian paddling this new commission. We being a little obvious. I'm the only double-breasted Blue Serge Indian. This lake is ever seen well. I'll admit it's a bold move on my heart fight. Once they see us from the boat will have to invite US aboard all cheap to his guests. Of course once I get aboard boom realize. I've outwitted him. What can you do about it then? Essentially left to be nice. The in front of your own girl nets allowed voices carry on more. Hey the closer you get to that both the bigger it looks. You made it before down to. They can't miss seeing. Hey where are the big spenders? You were talking about commission. I don't see any on-deck I hope I didn't close my father shop just like they must be in. The cabin. Lights are on Somebody at the window commission you wear on now. He's gone but it was bullet. Giving you the cold shoulder windchill Catherine sees me really get aboard giving us a tumble you. I'm going to attract some attention you. I don't think they've seen this beautifully. You take the panel. You're not supposed to stand up in. No I'm just GONNA wait. Was We just passed the portholes? They're bound to see me. Now Take it easy commissioner rocking the boat. I got my best suit on a lot of handling big CLEM. I don't I didn't do it on purpose. High down. Help me in the canoe water. Let's make most. They'll have to call us aboard this. You're doing the water diving now. No I canoe tipped over. Thank you thank you Helen. Hurry myself getting tight. Left to come aboard dry off. Don't button to your party weight. Body Mr Bullard. I thought we were going to have to call hospital. I postponed chilly right. The canoe and bad put down that the Great Gildersleeve. We'll be right back. Remember tomorrow at your grocers. You can get a wonderful new salad oil for your homemade salad. Dressings you're cooking or baking. It's kraft salad oil. The first salad oil for home use ever offered by the makers of all those wonderful kraft dressings kraft salad. Oil is a lighter. Bodyg- oil super find to blend perfectly with other ingredients. Get A pint or quart bottle tomorrow at your grocers. Ask for Kraft Salad Oil Does not get up it really. I get up around awake all poor uncle more. How'd you get that love on your head of them with a canoe paddle? 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The Great Gildersleeve 50-05-17 (367) Fishing Trip to Grass Lake

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The Great Gildersleeve 50-05-17 (367) Fishing Trip to Grass Lake

"Kraft Foods company makers of Craft Quality Food Presents Herald. Perry has the Great Gildersleeve. The Great Gildersleeve is brought to you by the Kraft Foods company makers of the one and only miracle. Whip Salad dressings miracle. Whip, there's a unique type of salad dressing, combining the best qualities of old fashioned boil dressing and fine mayonnaise. Made from a secret craft recipe delightful miracle. Whip gives you a lively different flavor. You find in no other salad dressing. Let zesty smoothie Saturday miracle. Whip health you to real solid success. Try it tomorrow and see for yourself. Why Miracle Whip is America's favorite salad dressing. Well last week the Great Gildersleeve niece. Marjorie was married to Bronco, Thompson and happy pair departed immediately on the honeymoon. As the great man will testify, it was quite already. You Bet I'm still shaking rice out of my shoes. And, since the current issue of look magazine has pictures of the ceremony. The water commissioner now's settles himself in his Easy Chair magazine and hand to relive that joyously this. Yesterday I managed the whole wedding single-handed. But there's a lot of it I don't remember. The driver of a car never gets to look at the scenery. I suppose you want to look at the wedding pictures now keenum already harshly something else. That I, know what's coming. Find the seven faces in this picture and winners Shetland Pony. MATTY's. oop Boy dressed in fish. What a picture! A fish. King us. Double breasted Halibut. On how? Bad. Boy what I wouldn't give to catch for best. Fisherman. Let's do one thing at the time I boy. We've just finished my juries wedding, okay. She called her fish. Catch one. Don! Kid to go fishing good from to get outdoors. Best. Roy Saturday. Can we go? Out All right Leroy. Fishing, address Lake but not tomorrow. We'll go next Saturday. Oh, boy I Keano! in the polymer, Birdie. Matter today. Mis Module Litter from Marjorie. A from. The Lodge? Wonder how the love lovebirds getting along probably just sitting smell the honeysuckle. Let's see what my asked to say. All isn't this we can. Their own Marjorie beer and all words cannot express how happy I am Bronco and I have a lovely room overlooking Lake Fishing it. In the room. Oh my goodness fish in the backyard. Leroy listen to the Ladder Leroy Okay See Bronco and I have a lovely room overlooking the lake, and it's all like a beautiful dream. I'm sure no girl ever so much in love with her husband. Lesser Little Hard I feel as if the whole world would hours, and there was nobody but just bronco me. At night when the stars are out, we walk by the shores of the lake. You can it. And in hand we walk in stars and I know I'm in heaven. I must be. Right more later. Give my best literally Roy Birdie Judge Cooker and Catherine Milford when you see her. Your loving me's Marjorie. That was a nice letter. Yeah, Marjorie so happy. Love is a wonderful thing. Catch a bath. You and your fish. Milford. She gives you the gate the gate, certainly not. In fact I was just thinking about. Miss Free like Ms Margy Fan. November, wonderful. Pretty much had nothing to do with it. Smells. It hasn't been around well. I've been busy the last few days. My boy, she's probably been busy to over at the hospital. Yeah, making Google is at that Dr Olsen. Leroy! Stop these silly Dr. Olsen is out of the picture. I left him in the dust long ago. Yeah, I saw walking down the street with a yesterday. It didn't look very dusty to. Why don't you go out and slave roy? Whereas my hat birdie you going out with gasoline, I think I'll run over to miss mill a few minutes. Noli Roy. What a household a man! That's about as much privacy. Here's a goldfish. Own. I hope Catherine's mother doesn't answer the door. She brought this rose for. Leroy silly ideas about that. Dr Olsen. Catherine's probably standing behind the door right now, waiting for metering the bill. He kicks bt. KP! Lovely rose. boop bugs. Only geeky good I adore she comes. Yes? Zeke Dr Olsen. Gildersleeve leave. Yeah, I haven't seen you in quite a while and said it has been quite a while. There's nothing I can do for you. Go to sleep what? Now just felt the water department. Knowledge here awesome. Yeah that's me. Hello Catherine heroin. Thank you. One side. Fred he's in track. Moa, whereby being well and everything's been kind of upset at our house with the wedding. Oh, you're marry Gildersleeve well, congratulations no Dr and let go my hand. It was my niece yeah. I. Don't know why we're all standing here in the hallway. Yeah, it is Kinda crowded. Aren't you needed at the hospital, Dr, emergency, operation or something. Called Day in adding. Earthly me out to dinner. Tonight Sophomore. As I. Ask you to go along Gildersleeve. But the people were going with her. All well professional people just a minute jealously shaking that arose in my face rose. From Me Back Mark Oh. Yeah, but I almost gave it to him. Better take it outside Catherine. Has ACIS honest? Catherine, but I came to ask you, but you have dinner with me tomorrow. Oh. I'm sorry I can't tomorrow. I'm going out to Grassley Grass Lake. With. Maybe some other times rock Morton. So mother. and. Dr Olsen. Sneaking in trying to beat my time the minute my back is turned. Taking Catherine the Grassley tomorrow. Well let her go. There's going to bother me one bit. Yeah I'm homebody. June. Yeah, well, tell me about it later. Pretty I've got a lot of important things in my mind. Yes, you. Know Ver he's at. Wester. Fishing in the wash. You got a big time. I'm trying to think. Yes. They know! Watch. The what a household! That's sneaky doctor. Probably taking not the grass Lake Kamara for a picnic. Wonder what they're gonNA do out there. Not that I care. Fishing line all. Good turn out in the wash TUB Kinda suck. Can hardly wait for next Saturday at grass lake. Catherine and Leroy, I just thought of something. Yeah, come to think of it. We might go to grass lake tomorrow after all two miles. Usually. That's when you wanted to go, isn't it? Already told Piggy I'd go to the show with him tomorrow, Hotel Piggy. You'll go with him next week. Going to graphic tomorrow. It's better day. There's bound to be more fish in the lake tomorrow the next week. Yeah by George Tomorrow's just the time to go, can't I'm already I'm going to catch one of those fighting black best. GonNa catch catch a water snake. we'll see how the great Gildersleeve does in justice. The next time he gives the family of main dishes, leftovers turn the neal into a feast by serving an extra delicious salad. Perhaps, the colorful fruit combination topped with plenty of Miracle Whip Salad dressing. Yes, man, you just do that and I wait till you hear nothing, but cheers, even from the men folks because everyone goes for miracle whips just right. 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Just a coincidence. cleverest. Coincidence I ever planned. Stopping the drug store and get some corks. Hello TV. Guaranteeing. TV I want some bobbing corks. corks p kind, tell you in the Fisher biting. Think I. HAVE ANY KIRK might Mr you. Don't how to do is hold things in bottles. All right. TV just sell me a half a dozen large corks to tie on fishing line going fishing I almost to go and change SP update grass lake and. Get my car down. Fighting. I don't know. I AIN'T GONNA buy I. Don't know that either. You and see many more interested in fishing and a couple of other people who are going day two mile. What's this pb? Nice Milford in young Dr Olsen were just discussing their plans over soda. I'm not the least bit interested in their plans peavy. What did they say? she said have a Vanilla Soda. That's not the information I'm after. What were his plans? He planned his job. And he bought a bathing. Bathing Cap. It seems if it's warm enough miss. Milford plans to try a new bathing suit. Zeke and then a good doctor bought some Suntan Lotion. Uh. Why Dr Wilson Needs Suntan Lotion with a height is thick as is. Now, he's had he might have to pat some on Miss Nelson. That's pushy. Interns that are watch it. You take a bottle of the along with. TV I, don't burden. What if thinking is in good, you can always really show enjoying the picnickers. Hurt to have about along. In case the doctor on yeah. You know I wouldn't try to crash their party. Give me a bottle. Leroy might get a sunburn knows. A. What's the matter with me? And nameless sleep all night. This pillow Dr Olsen. Left Hook hold. Maybe I can go to sleep. Wonder. How cozy that guy's getting with my nurse! Really believed. Yeah the sitting on the beach. Him and his bulging vice efforts. Look in covering early saying. What? Corny Wonder, what they're talking about? Knows is getting Catherine. I Motion. You just leave all that. Dr Old. Don't let them Catherine. Wholesalers won't hurt a best. Let Baron. That's a cute little nose. Such pleasing that man. Eight! He's not putting lotion for knows he's trying to kiss her Catherine's on. Doctor. What nerve trying to kiss her on public beach. Ought to call the police. There's a siren somebody. beat me to. What you fall. I started to get. Me Roy who set my alarm for five o'clock. Sessions she at this ungodly hour. Oh No my boy. At least you didn't get the kiss her. Kiss Never Mind Leroy. Character. More than exits guilty, just one more helping. Have much of an appetite early in the morning. No. Ready all right, Leroy. He just likes outgoing. I birdie. Wonder who's going around ringing doorbells at this hour? Good Morning. Judge. What are you doing up so early I always get up early. That's why I'm so sound of wind and limb. No. Go up before the roosters Gal that I happen to see a writing your house when I came over because you can't see my lights, who your house ten blocks away. P You Leroy going fishing this morning. I knew it and being an ardent fisherman I happen to know all the best spots for fishing. And I'm fishing four. Oh, whether it's Basser. Blue Gail I. Know dispatched go now. I'm not inviting my south. Oh, just out for a walk but I doubt if you'd ever find the right spots. If I wasn't there to fight a mile judge, you can't go fishing in that Cape you're wearing. The Cape is removable. De see over. Boots fishing jacket landing net, and I happened to bring my fishing rod. Using it this morning for walking stick. Brady Katelyn for the old judge. Gosh. I thought we'd never get on the late. Leroy. You brought so much equipment along. Even Ukulele. Finally Catch A. Kid, I think it's too cool for her to go in the water I mean. In case we go. See Somebody. No, they might want me to sing the song. Guild. And a fish you catch the small. You need binoculars to see him. Judge all that wind wouldn't like the road for a little while. Thank you, but I'm the navigate. To me Your Accu, a good fishing spot. Look at that a little goat standing up in the booth. Thinks Washington crossing the Delaware. Saddam judge. Better. Deal, day. You made me sit on the learn. Over have pressed ham sandwiches. Roy? Out The anchor. People. Guilty jury, don't expect to catch fish right pictographs. Wonder where they are Gal, riot scanning the Shar shorts. Reason judge. Let's beat up and start fishing. Well, I just a guest, but if I had my way, we'd be fishing across the lake, but those rack over the big stump lot. Bash over there. I know what I'm doing. I think I'll try casting. MOBRIDGE! Wasting your time go. You never catch a fish year well, it won't hurt. I don't. See somebody over there under tree, wonder if no Katie's redhead. Guilty. What are you staring at Really Indians? War. You got coming. Even let me see you on shore. Oh, boy brandon wrong. It's a beauty. That makes six for you to Leroy and ran for me. What a dull morning! Shift the pig on me. You can take my rod to leeway. Relaxed looked through my binoculars awhile. Many place your day. If you're looking for your nursing young Dr Olsen. Why not look behind what? The boat see these Catherine Imagine meeting around He. Miss Mouse Dr Ellison, Catherine. What are you doing out in the boat? Catherine. You've been fishy. fishy. What's the matter with the doctor? Clarence doesn't feel very well. She's sick. Oh, that's too bad it yeah. Sure Catherine well. We didn't get a strike throckmorton didn't. Look. Views. Agile Goes Lebron. The heck no water commissioner cod, most. More you. Well only six out of the nine. He's the short. Rocking. Looks like a Pale blue point? I guess we'd better go. Milberg you seem to enjoy fishing I. Why don't you step into the boat with Gal and Leroy? I will go shaw with the doctor why? Set on sandwiches. You come with me. Leroy are by all hotdogs. You can eat, hey. Have Fun you day. Fine Oh man. I. Don't mind car. A No I'd be happy to have some rose vote. I WANNA. Do is get on short. Careful! Let me, take a hand Catherine. This is going to be thrilling. Really Take Harley right. I got it okay. Goodbye background. Doesn't feel like talking. Now then track Morton. I'm completely in your hands. How do I go about catching fish? Oh. Just drop my line over here. This little spot is kind of fished out. with, pull up anchor drift over by those willows whatever you say. My luck, today wouldn't surprise me back on the anchor. We. Just kind of let it lines dragged behind the boot as we drift along. Oh, we're going to show. You? Handle rods I handle UKULELE. Moore who ever heard of a fisherman playing a ukulele music at charms even. A. Catherine. Imagined really canoes floating on some tropical lagoons. With me. Whoever Mundi. Law. to He. SCA. Uh. In your Next. Call. A? Long. each. Each of Oh. More her juicing so well. Thank you. Because sit a little closer. kind of balanced vote. Oh. I play. 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Episode #1503: The New Phil Hendrie Show

The World of Phil Hendrie

50:31 min | 1 year ago

Episode #1503: The New Phil Hendrie Show

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I bet you never even thought those things existed in this world but they do know sign up no credit card no nothing it's easy and Lille. What are you waiting for a man? Don't pay for T._V.. Again why do that when I've told you all about this download Pluto TV for free on all your favorite devices today the world famous fill Henry show from the L. Pacifico in southern California. I'm over Lennon but different is on vacation. That's right but dick when it's done with us tonight and probably a good idea the he's not with this is where is he by the way. I don't mean to interrupt you. I think bud sticking a few days off <hes> he's with Vivian and I know their families traveling up north I think during the bay area which is where we're going to be going tonight. We Got West Milford and it's a good thing that but is not with US tonight general budged on with US tonight. It's a good thing not because he's we're not doing this because he's not with squelch no wait. He's done with US tonight. Not because we're going to do what we're doing. Yes yeah okay. <hes> what. What does that mean man? What I'm saying is what we'RE GONNA? Do what we're going to do is write this song. That fills got everyone. What what are you shook and you hit for it? I don't know if I like it or not. I think the boy it's a good he knows about it. Doesn't he. Yeah Yeah but saw the post. I said Hey who wants to write the lyrics. I'll do but thank you. This is where I move in and you're right Margaret. Hello I'm Margaret Gray and let me just go ahead and sweep up what has become really. It looks like someone there's a there's a puddle of vomit in the floor and let me go ahead and mop it up. What are you seeing that for Marvin never never mind so but as you all know rain his head I was going to try to put it as elegantly as I could but I see we're running out of time to pick it up but ran his head through a tree on highway thirty three when we now you're now you're getting locked into it but but Dickman as you know had a terrible accident in the early nineteen ninety s which left him with a plate in his head and some neurological damage however but he's intelligence agents go ahead? I'll his intelligence was not affected and that'd probably Burns you up my Margaret. What a freak? It would happen to you. Phil dubbed Emerson you okay. I'm fine yeah. What was that about? This decided I'd go with it. I was having a hard time formulating your your name. So I went ahead and I went with it you went with what does that mean you went with. Don't worry about about a guys we'll just move along here and come up here on phase two which is the following thing yes but has a perfectly normal intelligence if not higher aptitude than many and you probably read what I wrote and it pissed you off yes. You said You'd better be keeping the only member of the film staff that has not affected by some form of mental disease is but department wait just a second all right. I was just I was saying though that bud has a higher than I think he has a higher than normal grasp of I I think he has a higher level and a lot of guys in terms of his grasp of information say that again I think he just insulted us. I'm saying I think he probably grasps things quicker than you guys. Come on Henry. quit trying to suck up to the get I know he's got a plate in his head. See this is what Phil does he's. He calls me liberal Phyllis such a Lib. Don't be sort of live trump. No cozying up guys whose brain is gone yeah cozy up to guys whose brains are gone. What did you guys stick it in your assets? How about that? How dare you all right so now? I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I was just about to walk out me to why not because this is my time off when I leave here I gotta go to work aw Oh isn't that a nice Gig so but what I'm trying to tell you guys is yeah. There are days when I think he does and I don't want to argue with the and if you want to get up to leave go ahead no. We'll stay all right but the song is about that. We're going to try to right here well. I'm not going to try to rent anything westworld for dead right now. West row for Dean Witter contacted us right after we saw your post on facebook about having a song. I'll we'll do it Robert. Thank you got scribbled on about having a song about buds head going through three. The Post says his head nailed a tree on highway thirty three I don't I don't know what the Post says. Let me look pretty sure it does all right well. Let me just double check if you don't mind well. I've got it right here. We'll I I'll do it thank you. Let's say no you go ahead yeah. It is right there just put you. I got it Margaret Jesus okay slowdown. Let's go wait wait. No no you went to wait a minute. Let me do it now. What does this barest did gene Nelson Good Christ Gina? I thought much much higher level of that's interesting all right. Let me just GINA posted a picture. Some guys bare ass or is that a chick looks like a dude so one dude is pulling down another dudes pants. No it looks like a girl is pulling that man's pants down and they're climbing a mountain. which you didn't see is the next shot which was the two of them falling to their deaths very nice? Thank you you see come on Phil Picking Up. Hey Man. I'm going to go over here to the home page and I'M GONNA go. No I gotta go to. You've got to be S._P.'s and more. Are you clown. Give me that wait a minute. Don't pull it away. Thank you B._S._P.'s. Here's Melissa Wells in the thing and oh here's this idiot that was screaming at people at the mini bar. What was that guy? Do it anyway the guy what was he doing on some guy that they posted it with screaming people. Where's the thing don't school so family one P._M.? Eastern no new episode WHO's making the complaining Roy Roy. Why don't you give it a rest? Okay okay. We're on the west coast now. Take it easy. Thank you Roy for letting US know about that. Yeah I love fill where he uses the generals voice go worry so where is the Goddamn thing fill. You're using the Lord's name and I don't think the Lord's it's GonNa like it. What does it what does it mean bone yard? Let me see that I'm going to investigate that if you don't mind bone yard is the name of a Chris Norton film known Oh that's right so where's the lyric thing. Phil was looking for the yeah yeah and I finally found it. I think okay here. It is on the E._S._p.. E._S._P._N.. And more feed the song's title is it's about let's see his head nailed a tree on California thirty three. That's it yeah that's what you were going on and on about yes. That's what I was going on and on about all right now. Listen we've got on the line here from this is from a place called the Tropicana Club in the bay area of San Francisco. We have Jason Excuse me Jason. We have dean wheeler along with West Milford Dane. How are you you? This is not Jay Santos. You know that yeah I know I know that and I know that we also have somewhere over there <hes> Westworld for right band right Belleville and we'll be with the band but I went. Are you okay why. Light because I was listening to you Hugh Speaker and you were ranting on and on about how you could've the name of the song that you that that I that you that you you you going on. Hold on for a minute West Trenton the song that you <music> when you hear your boy assume that you hit him on a bag. Are you Henry. Yes sir. Hey they'll Israel. I'll take the phone back now west. Thank you all right but you were ganging up. I wasn't gagging up. I was saying Phil still into you. Ooh Year God Dantonio be like. Did you hear what this man was doing. Phillies going us. I'm trying to get the man. Are you guys OK or should we come back another day. No kidding what is going on they're great. Yes it's great. I heard you strike Dean all right Margaret I was I was trying to say the storm. Did Phil wanted us to write you. He wanted to be attempting to you. Too must be some the A._F._l.. Know this song is called. His head nailed a treat on kind of thirty three. That's it yeah that's that was the title the chill came up with and I understand West. You wrote the music well. What do you mean the whole damn thing? It came up. Excuse me with <hes>. I'm the manager you're the musician but what does that mean it means. I have the brains. You're the idiot on the idiot might we. You're really getting off on a good foot with this guy. Give do you mind. I'M GONNA goal via the bandstand and forget. I'm GonNa Forget we ever met. If you'll feel of the song that you wanted us to write me. I meet that you wanted West. Okay West West right as the sun. He has had a tree on on California thirty three right right. I'm sorry it took me a long time to find the title but I posted it and suddenly the post was gone and then it reappeared so I don't know I think it's just the the algorithms of that site. A lot of those sites have the room algorithms rhythms yeah okay. They have their own algorithms. I don't know what that means. Maybe it means that your post wasn't all that popular okay. What am I wasting my time for unpopularity? I've got it with what am I wasting my time or it might have been very popular and decided to take it down because they had so many comments. Okay so what we're going to do. Here is what Dane you just almost call me with. I called you dean all right. What do you call it? He called me Dean but almost Kobe. You wait a minute Mr Henry you're not trying to would you guys get it together before I hang up all right phil everybody here. I'd like to welcome you here to the we're here at the club. Trump Kennedy in the bay area and <hes> seems like a pretty good night for you know get together. Thank you getting together and having ourselves a little country music here so what I'd like everybody to to do is enjoy themselves tonight as we listen to a West Hereford Yeah at my fan club is my family back there. How are you folks? Listen to Western for it. Here and West is going to be giving us the low down here on just a little ditty that she'll henry one to write called West Yeah. There's a song ladies and gentleman called his head is about anybody. People got data sip of beer. I'm sure you all understand what I mean by that. Yeah I did. A little song is called his hand nail. The tree is head nail that tree and the tree that he nailed yeah his nail the tree on highway thirty three and I can tell you right now. It was not a very funny thing that happened to him but this is all about a young man by the name Dickman a young man who's been on the Field Henry show quite a bit of time. Let's let's do it right now for a teenage dancing listening pleasure is ed nailed. I'll do it. Why don't you sit down with your? Why don't you why <hes> yes? That's what trump dean all of a sudden broke out in sweat with emerald a dame he just went off the bandstand and do this again his head he hit a tree on highway thirty three yeah with real for his head hit a tree on highways thirty three driving down wait thirty three was bud Dickman that night but was driving lan would terrible but in skid went off the road came back cone code then he righted was was wrong. His head went into trees that strong hey tree on highway. California's three is head nailed a tree on California's thirty three old trees on the road can go to hell all trees that messed up BUD head can burn inhale the next good fire. The California has locked fire. I can only hope the flames leap higher and high will mail the trees free. The head nailed a tree the head the head the head's good. I'm sorry the hell are you dale starting that he thinks highly thirty four sorry ladies and gentleman that was just a I've been watching a porno. I didn't watch porn movie highways thirty three high. We heard me three. He'll Horlick you forget the lyrics I is the tree and what did I get the tree. The tree is head on parenting. The hell out of me get off the stage we go on. I don't know something's gone very wrong is good okay. West team we weenie wing we gene ween. I'm with her offered and the wieners laugh at me. Oh man that cluster bang that whole thing devolved into a cluster bang what happened we must built. I don't know but it sounds to me like Dean Gut on estate no no West for missed up the lyrics and he was going to heads good heads good and then he said it was a porn movie seeing. What are you trying to tell me anyway? What are you handing me what I'm saying? I'm saying that the guy was watching some adult film and he got Dot Com. A lupus lyrics came up on that. What is it with the creeps in the weirdoes that you have on this program? What Margaret Present company excepted all right fine but what I'll say it again? What do you want to hear it again? Go ahead you were to find more go ahead Margaret Margaret what excuse me thank you. What is it though forget it? What is it about the creek yet? What is it about the creeps and the Weirdos and the Weird S.'s and the reprobates debates and the socially devolved freaks that you have on your program? Can I get that for. It's a nose hair. No thank you that you have on your program. Fill it and get it okay. Do you want to put that in a real question. Who is this Hereford you? I know who he is. He's been on the show before it was great West Milford and Hurley's I know West Hereford of the hurlers are they went on with some stupid song goal with it all that go Jesus yes and so deny posted on Melissa's B. Espe page today if I saw it his head nailed a tree on highway. Frank wanted to don't first of all of his head mail to treat all right there. That's what got him in trouble. I got what throw from the Lion Right now if you WanNa talk with them all right Westworld for his back with from the Tropicana Akano Club there in San Francisco the Tropicana Club. That's a hot one what does that. That's where the Dean Book Guy. I guess I don't know but apparently it was not. It's not a traditional country club and I think that's also had him hung up. You know hey a west how you doing it's. Phil Hendrie. I'm I'm fine list Henry. I've got an apology to make all people in the audience and everybody out there. I'm very sorry for what I did. Let me just say I want to hear from Liz. Oh yes yeah sure great. You got a big a big problem down there. Whoever that was that your table Anthony Ain't your wife Oh baby? How dare you know I got a bill? I WANNA apologize the audience <hes> listen. I took it very seriously when you sent out to challenge and David Tanna right David Tanner Florida yeah well he wrote one David Rowland wrote a great one as you did and we were looking forward to hearing the rest of it I know but I got into a little bit of as one of the things is pulling my career down. Things get locked in my mind. My memory join the club there west because that's what happens to all of us. I've been going to have something to do with being a character on your show villas it so if you don't mind go ahead God blessed fills the character traits on the Phil Hendrie show because all of us are just characters and he is warped and really. You're you doing okay. I think I know where you're going to. What are we going to start insulting pill here? I think it's about time because it's something that everybody says like all of your characters jumping up on your shoulder and going fuck this what happened you WanNa know you wrote the so here's what happened. I got it. I'll do it what happened doing I got it. What happened was I got locked in a loop? I saw I was in a hotel room this afternoon. I'm watching an adult film and I heard one of the actors say they had head-to-heads good and that somehow are you saying you want me to get into graphic detail Margaret. You don't know what he's talking about. I know what he's talking about it. I knew what this program is and this is not some porn with. I know that this show gets filthy. It gets it gets right down into the dirt and the degradation of human behavior in other words. It's perfect. I guess go ahead all right so she's really shut you down laughing up there. You see an old man you come on over and just kind of go yeah all right. Yeah good thing your lady. Thank you for noticing. Are you people going to sit there and reaching your pants and just go ooh. Are you GonNa let me Talk Sir. Thank you very much. West is walking away from the bandstand right now would you can somebody please someone there. Explain this. I'll do it. I got it every time I see him. Pick up what the hell is so funny funny. Phil Phil's laughing at the fact that every time wis picks up the phone you pick up the phone when he picks up the phone. Take the phone for me but yeah but you got the phone. That's what makes me run back to the band Japan as you were God damn. Did you hear that West I did. I'm blessed that you two idiots and hurts what happened. What happened was this? I watched this born movie this afternoon at a hotel room. Hey I'm sorry Ms Grey. I don't mean to offend you and so <hes> one of the actors says they had yeah they had good so I got up on a bandstand here just moments ago and I you should have told Oh you had that problem otherwise you wouldn't have had sunk. What were you going to do about it? If I knew that your mind started going in that kind of a work loop you wouldn't have had me sing a song about about ahead going into train to a tree no and does those two things aren't even related not even related. Why would you start thinking filthy thoughts? When you think about buds going through a tree I don't know mammo all the ones in the words they had went and Lear he is the head went through a tree on California's thirty three as soon as I said they had I started thinking ahead yeah? It's good shit all right Margaret. If you WANNA get up and walk off. I'm a mother and I'm a wife and I would think feel you'd spare me this. How do I know what's GonNa Happen from one second of the next on this goofball show okay? I'm sorry all right markets walking it off by the way Ms Grey. We've got the bounty towers extra-large. Thank you so bounty towels never mind fine <hes>. Do you want to try it again. Hold on we can try it again spill but I'm not so sure it's going to go any better if you want to. We can <hes> what are we going to lose. I I gotTa let to lose all all right so we might as well get it out in the open here there with some other chick what an asshole man but God damn Edina here. Did he have to broadcast that you're gonNA hear it. What are you doing man here with another woman he he ran? He's running away. Hey Dean no he just I can't believe my eyes feel. He ran right out of the club. Where's The lady she's still sitting there? How you doing somebody get her another decorate or whatever the hell he's drinking? Get another dachary the drink. What do you drink a baby at the decorate decorate hold on Phil? No I can't hold on I can't are you going to sing the song or not well. Yes Sir doing an awful lot of laughing at people that I think it's very humiliating by the way where's bud for the nine hundred time but all right I guess is slamming buddy in town. Buds up in San Francisco. Simply is with his family on vacation in a city now there where the hell are they growth there in Pacific Grove well. That ain't nowhere near where I am. I'm in the city. The Down Coast Pacific grows near Monterey. We got it bargain. Aren't you using your body. He tells how dare you market. You know these are big of toilet. Close the bathroom door if you don't mind they're not all right so let's <hes> you know what all things so being equal manager you see WanNa try again all right. I'm trying again but I could get stuck. I'll try it again. I think I know what I what I did wrong. I'm thinking I should think about <hes> how the world was saved by. Oh my God and I gotTa thank God talks whatever helps all right so <hes> let me just back up on the bandstand for the ground is looking very good crowd tonight Phil. I sure don't WanNA disappoint. These people get up here. I Silas Yama Westworld for it here and you WanNa hear another. Another round era of his head hit a tree on highway thirty year all right. I got stuck ellison. He's GonNa play the fiddle tourist yeah yeah. That's right doug. He's GonNa play the fiddle for us while I was going to have <hes> you know snooky. He's got his own. You GotTa do a little gallery and his family. They just came into the bar hockey. My whole family's here my wife. It's great. Don't talk to me feel distracted. I totally audience here <hes> so <hes> let's do it okay. This is called by his head nailed a tree on California thirty three. It's West Hereford and hurlers yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah hit the tree on three nailed. A Tree Californian third three Dick went the town one night. Yes he did Dick came out looked terrible side why his nail the tree in. California's birdie-three handling the tree all California's three the head the head good God damn it alright yeah the head head on okay. I'm okay yeah the heads good now West if you can hear me good Dougie. Let's everybody ahead here that Tree California thirty three MHM great for only leaving they had good good all right we are going to they're going to be a lot of that was a good idea going back to it. Yeah that was fantastic. Jesus fill between you having a little hissy fit and going Melissa. I want to say just for all of us here at the show. We love and respect you. I wasn't disrespecting her bellyaching about the algorithm we love the algorithms on the page and Phil was was where you sit down casual have to wipe out half a towel to what go ahead. I forget what I'm saying. You are saying that we love most as page and we do. We Love Melissa's E._S._P._N.. B._B. Most B._S._p.'s and more page Melissa thank you very much right. I endorse that Dean Wheeler ran out of the club and that's the other thing now what happened here little run out of the global and said why don't you bring a little lady on stage as well West made some reference to the young woman that Dean was with your trying to tell me he was with a woman other than Emerald. Yes yeah you know look I. I'm not going to forgive his behavior behavior but he has been working his tail off for her. It doesn't make any difference. She's his wife for God's sake and he knew he was going to be on this podcast tonight or whatever the hell. This is the net cast if you'd like all right that's fine feel good for you. It's a net cast but the fact is this was was broadcast over olive garden. Hell's Half Creek this thing goes all those all over the world. If anybody takes time and this could be heard all over the world and there's emerald being humiliated. I have to talk with her. We'll go ahead man. You know what what are you doing. I'm not going to call her on the air right now. If that's what you're saying all right what are you talking about Margaret. I'll talk to her afterward but all we heard was dean running out of the club. We'll be right back. world-famous Phil emery show gone to a friend Greg. We're going to a break but for and we got a hundred Werman. Oh is on the line. Call Harvey's here Okay Harvey. It's Phil Hendrie and listen. I just heard what <hes> what Robert was saying. I've been out there 'cause I heard he p._J.. Teams out there. I just turned ten everything that went down and you're running out of the club. You are a dumb ass. Have you got any legal advice vice. No I don't give a good sweet Christ. Okay Frank Gray. Then frank is strengthen the line right now I don't I don't really work this as well as bud to bud knows more about the INS and the answer this damn thing that I do but all right we're GONNA have we're going to have frank gray on the line here in just a moment to talk with us in Frank is in southern California as we are everybody else at least the people we were talking tonight. We're up in northern California and we're a frank. It's Phil Hendrie. How're you doing? Hey I'm better than custody on you know where. Where are you right? Now I'm going to I'm at the corner. Oh Frank for Christ sake. What do you mean for? Christ's sake listen. They're gonNA shut Santa Anita down any second now. Del Mar is a pile so I thought del Mar already open. Maybe it has but they're still running horses here in Los Alamos or maybe it's my imagination. Oh Man all right it. Can you get off the horses for five seconds to talk to me. Tell you what I heard what was going on with her and she's have moderately hardly big star. Westerly is one of the big country stars in a moderate way so in other words if there was a country star that I would think about when I thought about someone who is half ass successful. I'd say Westworld for all the way all right so let's get what to do with the price of tea all right. Let me just hold on for a minute. Wait a general just I love her just because she's a general in the United States I mean and she served two tours in Vietnam. I bet you patsy a bet you. He just has a handful with you all right so what I would say. Is this <hes> Dane Wheeler running out of there. That was a bad team because she's going to be. He's cheating on her wife isn't shape apparently yeah okay. Can we get a hold of Emerald and talk to him. I don't think so emerald even though Oh she's a singer is very shunned publicity. I don't WanNa put him on the air as a woman. I want to know how he's feeling as guys as her wife. I'd like to know how he's failing and she does anybody know where she went dean. Yeah no ran out of the club ran out of the club. What a pussy all right <hes> tell you what if you can get a hold of her and I can get her back together with your wife and he can talk to if he could talk his husband tend to to them? <hes> you know we may not have to go through the <hes> the proceedings of a divorce but it's going to be all up to him and how he feels about a dean. I saw you talking about Emerald. I'm talking about Amarone and whatever he says goes now. Margaret wanted to talk to emerald. No no no Goddamn. Don't do it market. Can you imagine the two of them getting together. He starts talking to him and these women. You don't want Margaret. No you don't want because what's happening right. Now is be is probably finding out about her that she cheated on him with another woman and so he's going to in if the to you get together and start talking about it and she finds out that the two of you were talking T- finds out that he was talking to you forget it so I I we don't we don't need him and then him getting together because then it's you know it's our everything well what what would happen well. It's inserting yourself into the divorce proceedings alien nation of affection so and so forth simple all sections when I mean he was at the club with the lady I understand she was at the club had a lady and by the way did he know anything about the lady at the club. I don't know I know the Dean ran out. I heard that part but I just wondered if if <hes> if he noticed that she was running out I don't know all right well now. What about this Hereford's involved this why she's in a pickle? She's at a whole different thing because he's talking about getting ahead and if there's one thing a man doesn't WanNa do it's no kidding on stage. I heard that I've heard about these like that. People say I've got a weird balance called gender. I don't know what they mean by that to be. Frank as I've said he had eight million times it exists okay. I understand that I have have gender confusion sounds to me like what Pearl for has in looping disease feel looping disease. No I'm talking to get looping disease. Okay Frank over here all right diseases. Well let me guess if things loop right you get into a mind loop now. I've heard a few of you people on your show Phil do this with five foot two eyes Blue Yeah we we do get into that. That's very moderate problem that you're able to correct but when looping disease becomes a serious various malady that's when all bets are laughing. I could hear tonight Westworld for doing that now. She's an experienced country singer and by the way I've met her wife and he's petite little piece just about five foot two. He's got the biggest all right. Frankly don't need to comment on that all right but I just I'm just GONNA say one time Margaret Neo he'll probably beat me up and get the biggest cans. I'll hang up on you franken then. You'll have hell to pay when you when you get. You can't cut your tongue when you get at home all right sorry <hes> what was I gonNa say Oh yeah so he has <hes> we heard so west has looping disease and I think that's what happened well. Maybe he needs a doctor. Then you know what about a duck a looping disease let's say. So you're right lawyer because I've been around okay piece that's like asking that's like asking you general. What are you know about the Peleponnesian wars? You know you weren't around with your your military attack attack attack attack at T._d.. Tape right CAC Titian and you know but do you know about the Peleponnesian wars no I didn't study them but I do know about Alexander rates campaigns and so forth all right well. It's the same difference with Frank Woody recommend what I recommend right now someone find her Alford and I get him on the phone and I'll talk to him about lupines disease well. What happened was for the audience if you're just joining us into podcasting just joining you if they're just joining us for gut into seeing the head the head's good bright and well? You'll have to listen. Thank you very much frank really's gentleman thank you all right that is A. C.. L. U. S. T. R. effusive. Got It all right. 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It'll be a character marathon. It will be I don't even want to I can't even you don't want to give it away but I'll tell you it'll be a very special marathon and it will be in conjunction. It's just it's you know one now. Don't say anything anything that was the bloods vowed here on vacation ticket some time off now ways bud taking individual time because he's been with the show longer than any of you. He has seniority. Oh here we go again. You started in on this the beginning of the program that's right. I did you see the buds brighter than any of us. I said he's got it more of an aptitude for what we do that any of you in the the fact of the remains buds but on this show he's been with me longer than any of you guys. Even you even even you then you lied to me because you said it was the very first guest this show ever had. No I did not say that it is Russ meaningless then I was number two what's the Oh my God. I'm doing what's wrong well. It looks at you. Guys should be looking at me funny because I just said I'm number two okay. You said that about yourself. We do well well. What if I say I'm number two? You guys should be looking at me. Like why would you call yourself that Margaret. You're you're number one. Take you come on Margaret Margaret. Where are you going you well you don't you're the one that wanted to beat it into the ground beat what are right on the phone with me? Ladies and Gentlemen Ullman is Jay Santos of citizens auxiliary police. We're GonNa Talk Jay about. I'm sorry we were supposed to have you on the show last night and we didn't how you doing real good. Thanks family off Jay the earthquake we were talking with Vernon Dosier. I guess I should PIPPA. When do we have ruined? Who Do we have on? I thought where you say you're talking to <hes> Don Berman that was doing Berman Bourbon. I never mind. I don't even know it was because I you know I'm always checking it out and always have people to tapes. Do you listen to us a lot. No that's why people semi tapes in case had time anyway so Jay's with the citizens auxiliary police we did WanNa talk to you about the earthquake and how you guys fared in. What is your role? How do you see yourselves? During an earthquake first thing we WANNA do is secure people property. That's the most important thing people in property needs to be secure and what we always tell people if you are feeling that things aren't very safe. Take a look out the window. There's a fifty fifty chance that you're going to see the warming yellow raincoats moving through the crowd of the Susan's auxiliary police talked about moving into the crowd and all that stuff. What exactly does that mean it means if you're like if it's an aerial shot and you see people then you'll see a bunch of yellow moving in that's US 'cause? That's you know we're moving in moving down. I mean like you got a bad thing. The butts yellow moving. What's supposed to be like we're checking? Are you trying to say chicken shit. What's the language will you? Everybody's making fun of Phil Tonight. I heard that oh I thought you were walking off the show in here making tea. If you don't mind a Nice Cup of Camomile tea very good market good for you yeah so way you guys talking to me yeah. We're talking to you because you're you're the guy going well. That's what you sound like you're doing so my question is the following thing those laughing gentleman yet e._T._r.. <music> I'm not there to see it but you are mysterious okay. Isn't that great. I'm laughing so I'm asking you you moving into the crowd and what are you doing. We're moving into crowded. Make sure everyone's safe. That's number one next door door as you know this. That's right general general. What's he talking about going door to door to door right? Yeah go ahead J.. When is this anyway you bring me on the program so we're making fun of me and everything no? We're not go ahead. I'm going door door and we're finding out if everybody's safe insecure gentlemen. We'll do that in the areas a lot of senior citizens where there's a lot of really old people so for instance where you live fill and what do you want me to say man but I'm trying to say we WANNA make sure everybody's safe. <hes> the earthquake jake is the first thing then comes aftershock and we try to tell people you know you fill earthquake. We'll guess glad to give me more aftershocks and we tell people to get under a doorway. We make sure they have bought water and canned goods and you can get canned goods for instance <music>. <hes> canned goods can be purchased biking. Don't pick thing at the hurricane earthquake preparedness Kit Earthquake Preparedness Kate very important. You WanNa have first aid. You WanNa have canned goods. You WanNa have <hes>. You know I don't know like socks. <hes> canned goods you general. I'm sorry yes right canned goods. You WanNa have nail clippers. You WanNa have why Neil I'm trying to think of everything thing that you could put in there because one of the things about a hurricane I mean earth. It's called earthquake. Have you ever seen one of one you actually you don't see earthquakes. Oh got you on that one. <hes> all right so what I'm saying to you and all you people out there. Your Earthquake Preparedness Kit should have in it everything you can think of within a ten to fifteen seconds span because that's the time fine you are going to be required to sort of move in. You don't have a lot of time on earthquake hits. So what are you gonNa grab fifty minutes span. You WanNa know what you can fifty so I would say Francis Phil go ahead and start thinking of things and I'll countdown to fifteen. Wait a minute. I I don't know what this means. What is this in fifteen seconds but can you think in fifteen seconds? What can you think bring go? <hes> Abed <hes> okay. That's bad yeah right. Stop Stop the clock. Let me do it again. All right start o'clock now. What are you saying hey second bed in eight seconds? You've thought of a bed nice going. What's his story man? He's been slapped happy. Since the beginning of the show. I want to start the walk again. Yeah go I would bring water. I would bring a canned goods. Yes I would I would bring a first aid supplies so water eight fifteen seconds. Okay Phil what your guest yeah any. She talked me like I'm the Scudder God well. Jay Wasn't fifteen seconds. I my my party broken. I Dunno Gimme another. Stop Watch what you what I don't give a shit. Watch the language but tough night very much all right you ready. Yes Go. I would bring water. I bring canned goods. I would bring a first date equipment. I would bring a flashlight. I would make sure that we had scissors. I would make sure I said that wasn't fifteen seconds either what year right Gimme another step never mind. I'm very confident that I know what to bring during an earthquake but that's the date you maybe but I don't make me happy once you give me that test. Okay Jay and I don't care whether I make you happy or not never mind you're in the army. You know yeah you got that right. I know to anybody that's lived in this town for as long as we have. I've been through earthquakes. You've been through you came out here with like mid nineties so so what you came out here in the mid ninety s you don't know anything I know a lot of stuff and being a member of citizens on certain police I do but you ain't Halloween earthquakes you've been through. I went through northridge no you didn't you said you didn't you cannot ninety five. Where was your age ninety four? It was ninety four yeah but I've been through earthquakes. Okay of course you have just haven't been through that many man yes how many earthquakes home I god. You're you're GONNA kill me. Look Dude. I've been through Sylmar. I went to the Whittier quick wake. I went through all that Shit Jack. I didn't go through Northridge Yeah. Okay well feel. Northridge was the big win. If you didn't do through northridge you might as well. Don't give me that horse done northridge was big. I know it was I know it was and I wasn't in town for Northridge by was here for Somare all of it. The Lebron quake the winner quake just name a bunch of towns yeah. There was the Santa Barbara quake. There was the Las Vegas quake the Washington D._C.. Quick and the Paris quake Harris cash no France now then thanks go well. If you want to make a mockery out of everything no I'm not I just wanted to have you chicken did you were there many injured people anything now. There is no no real significant injuries here in Los Angeles area on account in fact that was up in ridgecrest. Now I do understand that ridgecrest really I went through poor ridgecrest up there in the middle of the you know between Elliot's Santa Barbara is that in the desert at pretty much is yeah and he had a lot of you can see a lot of phone faultlines. You'd see a lot of you know yeah scare a lot of people they had a lot of events triggered by hi to earthquake. They had a lot of different things that they do. You know a lot of different things they do just starting to get nervous thinking about I hope what are you thinking of. I'm thinking about the earthquake and I'm getting herb stuffing. Any might be another aftershock or something but you know I got folks. You've heard me just my voice crack. I'm fine. I'm Jay Santos isn't very police. Major Elvis Newton is he's got it under control. How is the major doing? He's fine. He's getting old. He's getting on in years. He can barely only move but what he's got under control <hes> well. I mean he's fine. He's great. He's dynamic e- is a dynamic man is just that he can't go to the bathroom by himself. I don't know but he's done he's done. He's leaving the troops. That's right. I don't want anybody yeah. Hold on for minute see. What is this anyway? You guys trying to do what you're the one that's telling us. He's kid go to the bathroom by himself. I'm county right now. Major Ellison is in charge and end lame will make no mistake about it. The Newton is Newton and a new will always be hitting you. Can't you know I think the guys go. You can't UN Newton the news in no way he's having a hard time <hes> there's a bedpan and there's there's we keep a pan and a bucket near him if he needs early himself but he's in charge. I think it's very sad general you know what it is to lead man. Yes I do know what it is the lead Ben I know when you are not sick to do it and if you've got a bucket to urinate is he having problem is he got physical problems as an elderly man okay so he needs dialysis. He has to be gathering BEDPAN and he can't move his legs in fact he can't move his upper limbs either about half the time so he he talks with us. He talks and eats for the Straw. Thank you very much getting up. Okay so I think that the day that I agreed to allow you to keep me on the air and I can't hang up as the day I lost. My Soul agreed agreed. Hang up on the SLOB before I go to the phone and kill him. I'd say the energy what Jay Santos of the citizens police tonight. It is our big chat seven o'clock d._S._p.. PAGE BS P pages Phil Hendrie Show Dot Com. That's Phil Hendrie Show Dot Com. If you're a subscriber join us on our chat tonight starting at seven o'clock and don't forget folks at the end of the month our usual end of the month forty eight hour marathon and right now. It's a big secret that fills keeping we'll find out yeah we will find out and we have other really cool news to announce coming up. 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DANGER: Rocks Ahead!

Cautionary Tales

36:31 min | 11 months ago

DANGER: Rocks Ahead!

"I opened the wrapping paper. Hurriedly with nervous hands excited to get the gift inside little. Did I know disaster was about to enter my previously happy childhood? It wasn't a disaster visit. Don't mean all my family. It was a catalogue of disasters for everyone else. Gift was a book and it was titled In Bold Letters on a blood red background. The world's greatest mistakes the stories were set out like a trashy and exciting tabloid newspaper. Some were absurd like the bride. Who accidentally married the best man? Some of them were famous tragedies titanic slipping beneath the IC sea funnier side loom fascinated. Me and I realized something that has guided me throughout my life. Learning from other people's mistakes is a lot less painful than learning from your own. My name is Tim Harford. Some people call me the undercover economist. I used scientific ideas to help. People think more clearly about the world in my books. My Ted talks by BBC shows might call him for the Financial Times that may sound all very grown up but part of me. Is that little boy who loved stories of Catastrophe. Mistake and mayhem so I still see count and collect such doors. The now I prob- The details. I challenged the Orthodox view. Look for the root causes ponder. How disaster could have been prevented. I looked for the painless lessons. They can teach me now. I want to share some of these cautionary tales with you to each story has a moral. Each story is true and each story. If you're not careful could happen to you so gather closer and begin. We pray the Lord. Not Rex should happen. But if any wrecks do happen thou will guide them to the silly oils for the benefit of the poor inhabitants. That's an old prayer from the isles of silly the oils. Just off the coast of Cornwall. The southwest tip of Great Britain and that prayer has been on said many times. The rocks around the islands have a fearsome reputation and its well earned one or tonight in seventeen o seven. The Royal Navy lost its way in a storm the flagship HMS Association struck a rock and went down in minutes. Eight hundred men drowned behind it. Hms George hit the rocks became stuck so did HMS Phoenix Sordid HMS FIREBRAND HMS. Romney lost her entire crew. Hms Eagle was shattered on the cool stone. Hundreds more sailors died. That dreadful night was one of the worst disasters in the history of the British navy. Local legend has it that there was wall notable survivor that command in chief of the British fleets set. Clouds'll shovel was washed up on the beaches of the Isles of silly but was strangled by a local woman who fancied wearing his emerald ring herself. If she'd been praying the old prayer God or the devil had been listening a dark tale of the story. I should tell you today is far stranger one. It was sometime after dorm on Saturday. March eighteenth nineteen sixty seven mater Christi was languished. Da a French lobster boat fishing for crayfish and crabs between the mainland. The aisles of silly twenty one miles further west on deck was captain G FOOTAGE. Another language was nearby. Both of them enjoying rich pickings. A few hundred yards of the seven stones. The seven stones make up a vicious reef about one third of the way between the Isles of silly and the mainland at low tide. The unyielding rocks are visible but even at high tide there marked by a lighthouse vessel warning ships to stay away key. Folic looked up from his lobster. Lines to see an unexpected site. Avast black how coming over the horizon from an unusual direction. He was surprised. A major vessel in that position would usually have passed outside of the isles of silly rather than squeezing between them the mainland. True a big ship could come between the Isles of Cillian the mainland passing on either side of the seven stones. But it would be little on the tight side and this ship. A super tanker was very big indeed in fact it was the thirteenth biggest chip in the world on the lighthouse vessel the two seaman on watch soul the tanker approaching two. Have you seen this year Know the Bosra coming up a key foliage could see the huge ship coming straight towards him as he fished but he wasn't worried in between him and the oncoming juggled with a seven stones. He later said I was sure that before ever us you would go onto the rocks. Yelled as men won't stop work. You're going to see something extraordinary. All seven of them lined up on the rail of Martyr Christie to watch the oil tanker back closer and closer four months. Three miles. Full ITCH was sure it was doomed. Just wasn't possible to turn a supertanker. That quickly was it. Actually folic wasn't quite right. The tanker whose name was Torrey Canyon did still have room to turn. This wasn't a storm tossed fleet of sailing. Ships fumbling through the darkness. The weather was good. The visibility was good. Torrey Canyon was a superb ship in fine working order and armed with radar. The seven stones were clearly marked on every chart as well as being identified by the position of the lighthouse vessel. Torrey Canyon still wasn't turning Gaba close and listened to my cautionary tale. Nobody knew it at the time but the trouble started with a radio message from Milford Haven the harbour which Torrey Canyon was sailing. Milford Haven is a major UK port. And the thing you need to know about ports in the UK. Is that the difference between high tide and low tide can be enormous once more there high tides and high tides some higher than others. The message from Milford Haven was simple. Enough Torrey Canyon needed to hurry. If the ship didn't arrive by eleven pm on Saturday evening. March the Eighteenth nineteen sixty seven. It would miss the extra high tide and wouldn't be able to slip into the harbour and dock. It would then have to wait another six days before the tide would once more behind enough missing the eleven pm deadline would mean very expensive delay. That news put Captain Pass Strangle majority on the pressure. He had no more than one or two hours margin not a lot but was Yati had coped with worse he'd been navigator on an Italian submarine during the war had survived a German prison camp and had been commanding oil tankers. For twenty years. Captain was Yati was in many ways. A genial fellow chatty inhospitable. He liked to eat good food but insisted he shouldn't be served. Anything that wasn't available tape crew as a result the man on Torrey Canyon eight very well but Yati was also a details man who kept a close eye on his offices. Lujiazui was extremely conscientious. Among who wanted to know absolutely everything perhaps because of that reality stayed up late on the Friday night before landfall preparing the paperwork for when they talked. It was only at half past three in the morning that he went to bed leaving instructions that he was to be awaken. First thing when the aisles of silly were cited. It was half past six in the morning when the aisles of silly appeared on the radar about thirty five miles away I officers. Silvano video was on duty and the position of the ship. Relative to the Isles of silly was an unpleasant surprise. Torrey Canyon plowing through the night across the ocean had been pushed off. Its intended course. By the current and the winds it was now headed between the islands and the mainland. Bonfiglio immediately changed course steering away from the channel figuring that Captain Majority had intended to pass outside of the islands but he hedged his bets rather than heading out to sea or closer to the mainland. He was bearing straight towards. The aisles of silly then woke up captain. Yati Yati was angry. Was it because both FEO had changed course without checking was it because the new course was neither one thing nor another or was. He just sleep deprived without original having eighteen degrees. Be Free of this chilies. Yes then continue on course eighteen degrees. I intend to pass to the starboard shelly. Feo was so surprised he had to check that it understood the order which imitated. Yati still further still maneuvre. Shouldn't be too perilous. It was Pathan impossible to get even large ship through the standard manual navigating. The waters around the coast of the British isles is called the channel pilot if captain majority had consulted a copy. Here's what it would have said. The actual width of the channel between the nearest of the Scilly Islands and lands end is twenty one miles but as the route taken by all large vessels should be eastwood have seven. Stones light vessel. The navigable channel can only be considered as twelve miles wide. The lights render the passage perfectly simple at night as well as by day in ordinarily clear with but as there is no part of the coast of England more subject to sudden changes of whether the greatest vigilance is necessary and the vessel's position. Even the clearest weather should be checked by cross bearings at short intervals but Captain Majority. Alas did not have a copy of the channel pilots on board and so he missed two important pieces of wisdom. I if you want to go between the isles of silly and the mainland be careful second passed between the mainland and the seven stones. There is an alternative route between the seven stones and the Isles of scilly themselves. But the channel pilot doesn't mention it because it's narrower six and a half miles wide rather than twelve. Why take the narrow channel when you could take the broader one? Of course you could still fit an oil tanker through the narrow a gap even an oil tanker. That's nearly as big as the Chrysler building but you'd be cussing close. You'd be betting nothing went wrong. This episode is brought to you by the new podcast. Go and see hosted by our very own Malcolm Dodwell produced by the team behind revisionist history go and see is a six part series focused on Alexis philosophy of Ganci again goodson. Which means yourself an idea that stems from the belief that if you experience something yourself you have a better understanding people how to create something them in the series. Lexus INVITES MALCOLM TO JAPAN. Discover that unconventional thinking and processes firsthand find out. How a Japanese tea ceremony influenced the engineering of the CAR window. How the sound of an engine is like a musical composition. Willis said emotions how Understanding Samurai warriors led to a suspension innovation. Malcolm learns that no detail is left behind and that car company can learn more about calms. My studying people go inside lexuses headquarters in Japan ride along on a top secret test track with master driver in the expertly designed seat that actually lowest to welcome you into the vehicle. Follow Malcolm on his journey starting march fifth wherever you like to listen visit. Lexus dot com slash curiosity stories? Like these inertia is a powerful thing. That's true for an oil tanker the size of Torrey Canyon which needed nearly five minutes to make a ninety degree. Turn during which time it would travel a mile and a half at cruising speed in issue is a powerful thing for humans to we also sometimes struggle to change course. Psychologists have identified a strong bias towards the status quo for example whether we sign up for a workplace punching plan or not seems to depend on whatever the status quo is if the default option is to sign up. We sign up if the default is to stay out. We stay out as I say. Inertia his powerful psychologists who study accidents have a name for a particular form of inertia. They call it plan continuation bias. It's best known in aviation pilot's former plan and then a reluctant to change it. Even if the circumstances suggest they should the pilots themselves have another name for it. Get ibis the classic form of get there. Itis is an approach to an airfield with a storm. Coming in if you land well before. The storm arrives problem if the storm arrives before you land. That's not a crisis either. It's a hassle. You have to divert to another airfield with all the delay expensive annoyance that implies. But you do it because you don't want to fly into a dangerous storm. The risk comes from the storm is closing in. But they're still a window of opportunity to land. The landing strip is so close just minutes away. Tunnel VISION SETS IN PEOPLE START TO HURRY. Margins for error stripped away. Usually there's no harm done. The pilot lands just as the storm rips across and congratulates himself or herself for keeping cool and sharing skill under pressure but sometimes the consequences are more serious one. Study of get there. Itis looked at twenty occasions when thunderstorms had closed in at Hartsfield Jackson. Atlanta's major international airport. Again and again pilots decided to chance a risky landing risky. In the sense that the Federal Aviation Administration's official guidelines would have advised against it one plane after another would land under ever more perilous conditions until eventually one flight crew would resist the inertia and decide to divert elsewhere. At that point every subsequent plane would also decide to divert. The madness only ended when someone set an example and change the plan. I'm no airline pilots but I sometimes suffer from get there itis in my own life. Perhaps you do too for me. It tends to emerge when dealing with family logistics. I've got three children at two different schools and they will have their hobbies and sports and all usual things. I'm sure many parents will familiar with the plate. Spinning this sometimes involves then. Something's roam the car's in the shop to be repaired no problem we can bike instead then. Someone needs to be at home to meet the plumber. We make contingency plans. And they seem like it'll be fine but then a fresh errand appeared babysitter calls to cancel as complications. Mount the plan starts to resemble an increasingly precarious assembly of stages and steps lift swaps and Rendezvous Goldberg Fever Dream of an itinerary. And then if I'm lucky either I or my wife will find enough head space to say this is crazy. Someone's can have to skip dance class. Tonight we'll call a plumber to see if tomorrow's okay instead will replace the entire time and motion nightmare with something radically simpler. But that's hard to do because of the inertia because of the plan continuation bias and the more the pressure mounts. The heart is to seek clearly. Just how precarious everything has become. I become so fixated on executing the plan. I don't have a moment to realize that it's now the stupid plan. Captain Majority was under pressure to reach the Harbour Milford Haven in time and it'd been woken with the unwelcome use. The ship was off course to fall towards the mainland. If he'd stopped to think what's talk to his officers he would have realized he still had time to turn and the long way round outside the aisles of silly he only had an hour or two to spare but a brief calculation would have revealed that the detour would have cost just twenty nine minutes yet. He didn't pause to reflect. He snapped video and ordered him to stick to the course. That would now out inside the aisles of silly nor did he reflect that since his ship had already been deflected by the current and the wind. Those forces might well continue to work on the ship. Moving it out of its intended position under time pressure. He began to suffer. Get there itis. His plan was risky and his plan was not about to change eighteen. A M A junior officer calculated position this being the days before. Gps He did it with the ship's charts a compass bearing and radar eating old school but the inexperienced officer was anxious. He wasn't convinced it got the ship's position exactly right but he didn't speak out after all. That'd be another challenge to take fix in ten minutes or so. Captain Reggio t wasn't speaking up either as the ship steamed North at Sixteen knots nearly twenty miles an hour. He'd already decided which course he would take. But he hadn't told his coup which meant that. They hadn't had a chance to comment and they didn't feel entitled to ask Captain. Jacques Teti had actually decided to pass through the narrow channel which involved bending the ship's course in a long slow curve to the left. Why perhaps because it was the most direct route but mostly because y not to me it was the same but should he not taken just a few more minutes to avoid the narrow route? That was never in my mind. Never that's revealing turn of phrase never in my mind past wrangler. Yati didn't even consider the possibility of going through the wider channel. Lot might seem strange to you or me. It's a natural feature of plan continuation by US as the tunnel vision develops. We don't even think about alternatives to our initial plan. We don't have the bandwidth. We continue to plough on in two thousand and five young boy was rushed into hospital emergency room. He suffered from asthma. He was in distress. It was finding harder to breathe it harder and harder and then his breathing stop. The medical team quickly strapped an auction mask onto the boy. That should have helped but instead his heart stopped beating two eight trained medical professionals in the room taking it in turns to perform. Cpr on the boy still no polls still no breathing. The minutes ticked by a doctor slid a breathing tube. Down the boys throat the tube in position chiefs fine I checked. Is there any post? Still nothing let's say the breathing tube out and try again. Help pay no. It wasn't helping and the reason it wasn't helping was because the breathing apparatus was broken. It would have taken a few seconds to check if any of the five nurses. All three doctors had thought to check but they didn't think until the boy had been deprived of oxygen for ten minutes. Thankfully this wasn't a tragedy. It was a training exercise instead of a real boy. It was a medical dummy that was lying on the bed failing to produce a simulated pulse or simulated respiration because the medical team didn't step back and think this training scenario was conducted. Nineteen Times videos of the exercise was studied by. Mollis Christianson a professor of organizational behavior and previously. The doctor professed Christians and found that some medical teams took just seconds to identify the problem with breathing equipment. This isn't working it's broken. That's impressive but perhaps more impressive with a teams who started with the wrong theory about the problem but didn't get stuck on that idea. They didn't fixate on one possibility or keep repeating the same approach over and over again it would talk through what they were thinking and challenge themselves and each other. They could change course. The Not every team did that. Many teams would hammer away at the same plan. Regardless of the signs that it wasn't going to work they didn't step back and think they didn't talk things through just kept going. Could captain avoid the same fate? Captain Majority is now trying to save his ship through the narrow channel. He doesn't even have the full six and a half miles to amount because he's approaching at an angle. He's left himself precious little margin for error as it is. Torrey Canyon is heading straight for the submerged rocks at half past. Eight is the slow slow turn begins to fishing. Boats appear on the radar. The two Frenchmen goose as that are watching the oncoming super tanker with dont. Who's Yati had planned to keep turning? But now he has to ensure he doesn't hit. The boats suddenly floats come into view. There was sign of Fishing Nets beneath the surface Torrey Canyon con possibly avoid the mall and slices through one set of nets captains. Yati pauses his turn in order not to shred the rest. He's now heading very close to where he thinks. The stones are but he still hopes to be able to resume his turn after passing the nets but meanwhile all the while the current has been gently insistently pushing Torrey Canyon closer and closer to the seven stones. At this point was Yati seems to have woken up to the danger. He has precious little room for maneuver rather than curving out of danger. He's heading directly towards the seven stones. He was later asked whether he would have been heading that way if not for the fishing boats and their nets no only a madman with have followed in northern cars. Rt Now knows his heading is dangerous. His plan to go through the narrow channel is being frustrated but as the pressure rises. He Com- step back and form better plan. Why doesn't he slow down? Why doesn't he abandoned his plan to turn left into the channel and instead turned choppy right into deep water? That was never in my mind. Never when get there itis takes hold. There were a lot of things that should be in our minds but armed. Eight thirty eight. Am Captain Jacques. Teti takes a look at the charts. His junior officer has just taken another bearing. Yati is an old hand. He can see at once that it can't be right. The Cross is marking. The ship's position should be at regular intervals. But the not one of the Barings is wrong. He doesn't know which maybe that. Both wrong captain. Yati doesn't know where he is. The junior officer takes another bearing with the captains help the new fix shows. The ship is closer to the seven stones. Unrealized less than three miles per member. Torrey Canyon takes a mile and a half to make a ninety degree turn on his trawler watching with horror. Ghee folic has already concluded that it's all over Torrey Canyon. Cont possibly avoid the rocks. But he's wrong. There is still time. There's still time to turn into deep water. There's even still time to turn into the channel which is walk past Rangoon. Ricciardi has been trying to do for the last four miles and so even though it doesn't really make sense anymore. That's what he continues to try to do. Hansman come to the wheel. Captain How to part. Go TO THREE FIFTY S. Captain note taker to three forty. Take two three twenty. Who's Yati is ordering an ever tighter. Turn into the channel. Captain captain the ships turning. Even now I still time. She's not turning. Captain Rouge dotty needs to think. Why isn't the ship turning? Perhaps the fuel pumps controlling. The rudder have broken is seen not happen before he tries to dial the engine room but instead he makes the kind of mistake you make when you've had three hours sleep and you only have seconds to solve a problem. He calls the offices. Dining room caffeine. All you ready for breakfast Blah deal. God is a pig. That's some serious blasphemy from a good Italian Catholic. It's the blasphemy of a man. Who knows time is just run out. There's a photograph of Pastrengo Ricciardi Lie Conga out of my head. He's scrunched up confined space his knees tucked into his chest as if to protect himself. His eyes rolled sharply to one side. His face ghoulish lit from below. He's wearing a hospital gown and he's hiding under a hospital bed. That's where he was when the Paparazzi found him. He looks terrified. He's broke his ship was gone impaling itself. Onto the seven stones. At full speed with a noise one crewman said slab of leading reaped by spikes watching from his trawler gave foliage turned his men. That's the end of our. She'll never get off. He was right. The crew escaped safely but during an attempt to refloat the ship. It was a huge explosion. One of the salvage team was killed by then Torrey. Canyon's back was already broken and her underbelly sliced open by the teeth of the reef. She was bleeding. One hundred nineteen thousand tons of crude oil into coastal waters. It was an environmental catastrophe. The oil spill was unprecedented. Even today there are places where you can still see the dark stain on the Coast Torrey Canyon walls at the time the largest shipwreck in history. is the largest maritime insurance claim. Was he he took responsibility. He was the captain he walls. He said in charge of the best shipping. Their word for a ship's captain he's chip is own and I have lost mine and terrified by the dimensions which the accident has assumed. The inquiry was conducted in private journalists. Weren't allowed in but the manager of the hotel where the proceedings were being held told one of them that had seen Captain Jacques Teti. I had a glimpse of this man. I the impression of a man finished. You very seldom have so strong impression from so sure of seeing a man. I must answer for everything for everyone. I must carry the cross alone. I wish I could tell the people. Of Cornwall how sorry I am and he really was sorry. It was very bad. The disaster broke geography. He spent months in hospital recovering from the strain and the anxiety and the heartbreak which is where the eager photographers him. A transcript of the inquiry was leaked to journalist Richard. Petro the tank owners were keen to downplay any fault on their part including the fact that the steering had broken in the past confusing captain majority when the ship had failed to turn but why had the ship failed to turn in those last moments. It was a small thing after Yati had accidentally cold the officers dining room and slammed down the receiver. He looked across the bridge from his position by the telephone. He could see that someone had inadvertently knocked the Steering Control Lever. The ship's steering had simply been disconnected all needed to do was switched the lever back and drag Torrey Canyon over to port but had lost time with thirty seconds more to maneuver. I could have avoided the rocks. He ought he had made a plan and as warm small problem after another made the plan. Riskier and riskier. He hadn't been able to adjust many leaders. Things added up to one big disaster. That's true the deadline for currents fishing boats the error from his junior officer the steering control. It's bad luck thirty seconds before the sheep. She was saved but the missing thirty seconds on what interests me what interests me the two hours that rouge auty had to save his Torrey Canyon the best ship in the world. He had two hours to reroute outside the aisles of silly two hours to slow the ship down two hours to ask for advice ought turn towards the wider channel. But he didn't do any of those things. After the exploitative photograph was released there was a surge of sympathy for Girardi from around the world. People wrote letters of consolation. One that caught. My eye was from a thirteen year old boy from county cork in Ireland. I see beautiful tankers. But I'm sure I've never seen one as beautiful as yours. I thought and prayed for you. I'm sure you will sail the seas again. Pastrengo was Yati never did. His mistake was just to grave but at the same time it was also all too human after all. It's our nature to be slow to change course. You can listening to cautionary tales if you'd like to find out more about the days in this episode including links to sources. The show notes are on my website. Tim Harford Dot Com. Cautionary Tales is written and presented by me Tim. Harford our producers Orion Deli in Maryland. Rest the sound designer and mixer was Pascal wise who also composed the amazing music. This season stars Alan Cumming Archie pange. Rv Toby Stevens and Russell Tova with Social Anti Ed Garsten Melanie Gutteridge mercy. Monroe Rufus right and introducing Malcolm glad. Thanks to a team at Pushkin Industries. Julia Barton the fame. Neil about Carlini Lurie Jacob Weisberg and of course the mighty Malcolm God. Well I'm thanks to my colleagues at the Financial Times.

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The Great Gildersleeve 50-03-08 (357) Gildy's Blade

Yesteryear Old Time Radio

29:49 min | 3 months ago

The Great Gildersleeve 50-03-08 (357) Gildy's Blade

"The Kraft Foods company makers of Craft Quality Foods. Resents Herald Perry as the great builders, please. Tonight's program is a program of special importance, because it contains big news for you from the makers of Parque Margarine. We can't tell you now. What the big news, but just keep killing to this program. You'll hear all about it before the show is over. Now the great builders leave brought to you tonight by Parque Margarine, that's P. A. R., K., A. Y., Y que margarine made by crap. Well the Great Gildersleeve has been pretty busy. They what was getting ready for? Marjorie is wedding at all the night. He said all problems aside don this blue cert- sued and went down to walk his nurse Catherine Milford home from the hospital. and Man needs a roadmap to find way around these hospitals. Let's see Catherine said she'd meet me on the third floor at the intersection of therapy in pediatrics. Hello! How just a few minutes I WANNA help doctor with some X. Ray pictures. There's a waiting room here if you'd like, sit down. Just wander around. How meet you right here? I'll be here. Helping Dr Olsen again. Imminence dying x Ray Camera. I hope he gets foggy, negatives. Wonder why they leave all the doors open here. You can see right in the rooms. Guy Doesn't look very sick. They're reading the paper. I wonder what he's in for. He sees me. How do you feel? Dirty look? Something wrong with his liberty. Run. I'll go into waiting. See what magazines. Women's home companion from last October. The odd fellows annual. Butterick patterns. Collection. Excuse me. Down here. Right down money room. Feels good to sit down, doesn't. Anything about watches watches will not very much. I'm. Supposed to meet a friend here at nine o'clock and now my watches stocked. Maybe you can tell me what's wrong with it. I'm not in the watch business. Five o'clock, she's a genius. It's good watch it just run. To good what it doesn't really matter. Where Catherine Suppose you look at the watch and see what time it. All right I'll be right back good. I get into these things. Came to a hospital to pick up a nurse and wind up fixing watches. Little tiny wristwatches. Slipped brother that did. Right on the marble floor. Time it is. About your watch you see I was just looking. Just exist now, wait I. It's running again. Simply one four. How'd you do it? Nothing just a slip of the wrist. I'm ready back. Morton shall we go and let's go. Thank you very much. Mention it on Kathleen. It. was very kind of your weight for tonight's Rock Morton. Couldn't tear myself away. It's so interesting watching Dr Olsen work. The way he handles those intricate machines and X. Ray simply fascinating. You can see that he's talented. He has those long slender fingers. My man who is skilled with their hands, L. Q. Throgmorton. Embarrassing With Myth Catherine See I'm rather clever that way myself. You certainly. And craft has always been one of my specialties. Yes, indeed. Because, you've never noticed. I have pretty long hands to. AUTISTIC! A, lot of people say. This I never knew about you throckmorton. Caverns still waters run deep. Deep, river. But you do thanks. Car No I I like to fix watches repair watches really Throckmorton, just as a hobby that is remember that lady in the waiting room. Yes, I fixed her little watches easiest, Pie. A bit like see doctors do that. More than it takes a master craftsman to do that kind of work. What did you learn? The talent like the editor, so it comes to your Catherine right out of the blue. This is amazing. Here's my house. If it weren't so lay track Morton I'd ask you in. Next time. Watch out the port steps. You Pretty Dark. That's all right. If mother here's a shield turn on the porch light, look, let's go up quietly. I guess mother's asleep. Bless a little heart. Well As, say good night track, Martin and thanks for walking me home week. Ever going in I really sure. This is the first time I ever said. Good night to you without the porch. Such a beautiful night Catherine. Would you give me just one little kiss well. Adam. You haven't told me how Marjorie is. How she getting along with plans for the winning plans are going fine. Let's talk about US Catholic. Leroy's fine he doing is making a wedding present for Marjorie in the basement really. Kind of a presence. He's making footstool. That's nice. Making footstool by himself. Goodness captain. We can talk about Leroy anytime I think it's very commendable that he's making a gift from Audrey. He must be covered with his hands like you. Imagine I have taught him a few things. A workbench bench the basement and I love you, too. I wonder a real craftsmanlike. You can do anything I know. One thing I'm not doing well. Most of Morton I admire craftsman who's willing to take the time to help? A little boy likely wrote. Close Your eyes. Close. By George I am craftsman. The morning Birdie. Oh, no, for Nice to see you. Won't you come here? I was just going bye. Birdie I don't suppose Mr. Gildersleeve Home Noman needed office but MAC until well. I have a little favor I'd like to ask him. Do you Miss Milford I'm. Mr Gildersleeve was telling me last night that he's an expert with tools and machinery Mcginn. That, he has a workshop in the basement, I brought over kitchen knife mothers. It's one of our special favorite I. Have it right here very very good. mothers had it for years wouldn't let anything happen to it, and of course I had to drop it on the sink this morning, and make a big nick in the blade. That's too big I. Bet your Mama got pretty upset. He doesn't know about it. Birdie I sneak the knife out of the house. I wonder if Mr Gildersleeve could grind down the edges of Blade and take that nick out of. Auburn show. Tell him about it. I know he can fix it. He's so clever about these things, yes. I wouldn't trust anybody else to touch noman men. Well I. Leave the knife Birdie down to go to sleep. I'll pick it up tomorrow all right I'll take down the cell and put on his work then, and you can tell him it belongs to mother. He'll know it's important. Yes, man! Saturday afternoon I, do a little reading. When it come down to the basement, helped me with my F- Ot St U. L., e.. F. Ot s to you, Ellie! My footstool oh brother. How can you make a footstool? You can't even spell it, Leroy. That's just before off the track and case she's listening. Come on down the basement, we'll will ever look at it, my boy. Kim I finish Leroy's. This footstool figured it out. Myself looks to me like steps. Yeah, that's the idea of what school for three different pairs of feet. Goodness a three passenger footstool. I'm no my boy. Three's enough. Now let's see what's holding you up ran out of money. Yeah. Home shouldn't be. Then I had to buy putty Philip the whole. Haven't got enough to buy a putting night. Turn the track now just immediately, right? You can't be running out every five minutes and buying to. Me That's not the point. Real craftsman doesn't have to race down to the hardware store every time you need some simple little tool. He looks around and his work. Benchley finds a piece of metal that he makes his own tools. Of Canton certainly not. Use Your head. My boy being genius. That's what makes clever craftsman. Let's look at your little problem. You need a putty knife. Already. Let's see what we have here on the workbench and. Set Christmas Tree Lights. BIRDCAGE! Let Gun. UKULELE. GonNa make a putty knife out of that. Have to clean this bench up sometime. Well here's something is old kitchen knife just what we need. Right that come from I know simply have to use your eyes and your brain boy. I see the knife has a nick in it, so you know what we're. GonNa do. Very simple you turn the grindstone. Grind the end off. I'll show you the slickest putty knife you ever saw. Your genius, you bet, crank up the grindstone. This! Round out the. Shaping to. The new little brainwork, that's all it takes. Way Lie L. Kathleen about this. You really know your stuff on. This is a swell putty knife. Is My boy. You can learn a few things from your old uncle. Hedlund saw saw. Behind Bush ruled on. That old again. Show you another drink. Put some teeth on us and make us all. And we defiantly right. Character How do you like that? What is it? That's a real craftsman tool boy and a lot of an old kitchen knife. Round on the end for putting teeth on one edge for sawing. Sharpened the other edge widdly. Those what you can do with a little brainwave. Basement Very. I'm showing Leroy shortcuts well. Shortcut Miss Guilty. Did you find kitchen on your work? It yeah, what about it? With both be shot and up in the nick taken out of it Harpen. Sandia? Where are you going? To. What about this old kitchen night? All catching knife. Knife lost milk with. Mrs Milkweed Zeke. Catherine brought over this moaning if her mama special favorite kitchen night, she said you was a craftsman, and you can take the nick out of the way, can you? Do it. I, did it. Will be right back. Remember, we're going to have a big news for you in just a few minutes have pencil and paper ready, so you won't miss a thing. Is News Big news from Parque Margarine the margarine? That's so good. It's makers can afford to say wwl money back. If you don't agree that piketty margin is the best migrant you ever tasted. Keep tuned to this program big news for you in just a few minutes. The Great Gildersleeve as Vita, craftsman he needs to take a big kitchen knife with the nickel, the edge, and with a little fancy work on the grindstone converted into. Well, it has teeth on one side cutting edge on the other, and it's around on the end pretty clever. The only catches. The knife belonged Catherine's mother. Why didn't somebody tell me this? Was Mrs mill fruits? The way she cherishes everything in the kitchen. And Tell Catherine what I've done. She couldn't believe I'd be so stupid. When look at this knife convinced her. To, buy another one that's. Never Mind, Leroy. Kid. I didn't know any better. Am I glad. Stopped making a mountain out of a molehill virus Milford another knife and that's all they'll be too it. Your Sake, this is good luck on. Goodbye. Hardware store. GO-TO L. O. Fred I'm looking for a kitchen knife. Something like this. I never saw that Mr Gildersleeve just. Me I doubt if anybody else has either well. I made this one. No kidding. Say That's Kinda interesting. What do you call it well? Quite a few things. Craftsman Mr Gildersleeve small saw edge on one side cutting weight on the other round Ed Rose Rosewood handle. Yeah, but what I'm looking for is the kind of a knife. I made it out. I didn't get that. Knife. I made this autumn. Ground another night down and reshaped it, but now i. O One of those little mistakes. Ms Tillerson. Wait a minute. Oh, I know how it is. I'm a married man. Well I'm not. That's right. You're not just trying to visualize what the knife look like before you must have one around. S avalon no over. that. We did have one last year. It was and that's GonNa be a big help as I recall shoulder to judge hooker. You know the judge who sure he'll give it to me hookers, my best friend he'd better be. Well. The judge is home. He has his laundry on the line. Long underwear. Easy with the judge, not be too anxious to get that knife. He finds out. I wanted to get up on his high horse. Bell? Ever Tell Catherine I was a craftsman. Based and even cut my own fingernails. Well Gal Day. Unexpected pleasure yelled at what brings you to my house this time of day high. Tide Water Department. Very funny. Now. This is just a social visit mind if I come in. Oh I album means do. I simply decided. It's been a long time since we saw each judge. Al Can't let final friendship like ours wither on the vine. Now that we wanted the vine. What's the paper that you want? I know you. What is it? WHAT A suspicious mind! All I dropped by four judge aside from a friendly visit to see if you had a plane kitchen night that you bought down in friends hardware store last year catching nice at least important judge just thought I'd check with you. That's all yes, I do have a knife. I bought from friendship. It doesn't matter at all that I thought you wanted to get rid of IT, yeah! Horse must know the truth. I'm in a very embarrassing position. I've got to have that knife. Well I made a little mistake. Catherine Milford brought one mother's best knives over to be sharpened and I didn't know it was hers I. Worked on little. Is that in your hand. What's left up? Can't let her know. I did such stupid things, judge. Hey, that's quite a work of art key cutting edge round on me. An old cracks judge, so you want my knife to take back the Mrs. Milford is added roughly the idea I'll pay for a judge after all you used it for you. Hate the problem with a guild. But as a favor to an old friend, I win Goodall Horace I'll let you have it for what I paid for two dollars profiteer. Judge dollars, but if you take mine, what will I use to cut my pumpernickel? That's easy. I'll leave you this one that I operated on. Look here. You can slight spread. You can do anything with it. I like this. I can be a real cutout. Charts. I can make Catherine believe. This is their mother's knife I'm in. The. Oh, what a tangled web! We weave when I. We practiced due to see. You'll loosely you're gonNA. Be Mighty lucky if you squeak out of this. Track March. Just, stop by drop off your mother's little knife. Thank you throckmorton. How's it look? Why it's perfect That, I can scarcely believe it's the same night. The Little fine machine work makes a big chain char absolutely marvelous what you can do to. Thank US dropped Morton. Your ingenuity saved my life. Say Mind To. I can I do for this afternoon. Just. Let me sit down here and take deep breath carrying money. For that. I just making up some fresh deviled eggs, hinters together team Kernaghan. Not Now just had a very close call. Young say you'll never believe this. I've just been through an episode of Knife Juggling. Turn your. Hand Ray. Ground anything. Wonder Mine isn't fortunately. I'm a quick thinker, maintain. I said I'm a quick thinker. Than sure. Yeah I ruined the knife that long to Catherine Milford Mother and I had to move fast. TV put one over on the judge and got a knife away from him that just like she never knew him. Pretty Trick. CAN'T See the judge. Tell you all about it too bad swindle Kacha. Honey. What is it? Get in here while you're only came about you I. Bought a knife from him you did. What's he doing going into the country business? Paving. Birdie Birdie. Give me I came down to get some ice cream. I love ice cream. Is soon as I finished making his hand written yes. Next I. Don't know what you call it judge. Hooker bought it from him for two dollars. Maybe that's the one I gave booker. I made it I made it out of that knife Milburn's. He had no right to sell that. Imagine Hooker doing a thing like that to follow jolly boy if he asked me to guilty. That's a mighty I'm not you invented? You went. Down in the cellar. Yes, but look at that night. The way Mr Peavy makes them sandwiches with. This thing I. See. That's not bad this re, Liaoning. I made it PD. That's what Mister Yeltsin was. He was invented night where he thought, do they? On one side for cutting bragging and a sharp edge on the other side for slicing got round in on it for spread. That's a nice everyone was. George Birdie. I knew that all the time. Well since it's my knife PD I really should have it back, should i. Have to you two dollars you. Again. Right this time it's worth it. Going call new nightmares guilty. You know how about Billy's blade. Menu. See. Yes Sir peavy and Birdie. Certainly know a good kitchen utensil when they see it, and that France brings me to the news, and it's real news because you can get an exact duplicate of baton knife, guilty and vetted, and at the sensational bargain listen guilty blade is really a double edged knife spatula. The first of its kind ever manufactured. That's right. A three and one kitchen implement that combines the uses of to find kitchen knives, and the spatula all in one and let me describe it. Basically, the knife SPATULA is a flat blade of Mirror, finished stainless spring, steel, one and one quarter inches, wide and seven inches long. It said in a polished imported rolls what handle four and three quarters inches long. Overall length is just under a foot about the length of your favorite breadknife. One side of the blade has a lifetime serrated edge that never needs sharpening that makes it a superb knife for slicing bread cake, fruits, vegetables, anything you want to slice without crushing, and the other side has a hand honed razor, keen straight heads blade. That's the all purpose, kitchen knife, or any kind of cutting pairing, repealing two edges for the same blade to find kitchen knives in one, and then in addition, the wide flat, springy blade, Spatula, shaped turn Slap Jacks, fried eggs, fried, potatoes, scrapes and mixes so there you are three implements in one to find kitchen knives and a spatula in one handle why that Nice spatula would cost at least two dollars if you buy at the store but listen. You can get one from us for just fifty cents, plus the label or wrapper from any loaf of bread you buy at your dealers and the red end flap of a package of parque margarine. What are bargain remember? This knife SPATULA was invented by. Gildersleeve actually has his name on the blade, so there's only one way to get it. Mail your half dollar your bread label. And the red flat from parque package to kraft foods. Company blocks five nine, three nine Chicago seventy seven. Illinois, now right down that address kraft foods company box, five, nine, three, nine Chicago, Seventy, seven, Illinois send fifty cents, a red label or wrapper, and the red flag of a package of Parque Marchment, the shuttle include your name and address and your wonderful knife spatula gillies blade will be mailed to you immediately. Out here again is the Great Gildersleeve. Well, folks. We had a lot of fun making this knife, but it's really a good thing and Birdie wasn't kidding. Use it and enjoy it good night, everybody and see next week. Gildersleeve is play by Harold Barry Joe was written by Paul John Elliott and Andy White with music by Jack. Baker included in the Casco, all Lillian Randolph Cathy Lewis Earle Ross and grant. This is Jay Stewart saying good night for the crap. Foods company makers with the famous line of craft quality food but. They sure listen the next Wednesday and every Wednesday for the further adventures of the Great Gildersleeve. Here's a taste test that combs, right any meat without mustard them at a golden dab of craft, prepared mustard next bite, taste the different. There are two kinds of craft mustard. You know salad mustard delicately spiced for those who like their mustard, mild or craft prepared mustard with snappy horseradish added. have both on hand or remember this. When you add a little mustard, you add a lot of Tang yet craft prepared mustard. Have you heard the new break the bank. It's next on NBC.

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"My New Job Is Not What I Thought It Would Be"

The Ken Coleman Show

42:57 min | 9 months ago

"My New Job Is Not What I Thought It Would Be"

"Setting the pace on the pursuit of happiness. These these the Ken Coleman show where you discover what you were born to do and how to make it happen now helping you get get unstuck and on the path to your dream job. Ken Coleman Live from Ramsey studios in Nashville. You're joining joining a conversation about who you are what you were born to do where you want to be and how you can get there in other words it's all about you and your unique contribution. Everybody woman was put on this planet to fill a unique role. That means that you who are needed and here comes the duty part and you must do it. That's what we believe on the Ken Coleman Show. And so we're all about helping you understand what you do best as talent strengths skills and what you love to do. Most this is work. That makes your heart come alive. You look forward to it when you're engaged in. It gives you the juice and when you're done that's rewarding. We look back the results matter greatly to you and so when we figure out that intersection. That's the sweet spot. The intersection of what you do what you love to do. Most we can help when you discover that there are multiple jobs career. Pass that sit within that sweet spot so that is what what we do and how we do it. Why do we do this because we want as many people as possible waking up on Monday mornings fired up not already dreading adding the week ahead? So let's get to it. Eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven is the number. We're going to start it off this hour in Milford the Illinois where Dave is on the line. David joined the Coleman show. How you doing campaigns for taking my call? Well I'm happy to David. How can I help? I like to know how I can get compensated for what I do best. which is which is helping small businesses find new products and services to bring greenmarket interesting? Do you have a long background in this No well yes. Mainly with former past employers employer and friends that will business owners are business owners. Now do you specialize Yeah sorry so I interrupted. 'cause I WANNA get more clear here on what you're looking to so are you. Are you so you would come along side of an existing business and and you said small business owners the small business and are you looking at their current products and services and going. Okay this this is what you need to do to grow those Or were you coming and going here areas that you're not in or here products and services that you need to be creating. Well I go. I'm pretty much I come in and and sit down and talk to them. See where they're at and find out where they want to go. And then I just I've come up with ideas and different options for for them to go over. Yeah well you know it's interesting to answer. Your question is pretty straightforward. You're going to have to build this thing from the ground up and it's very similar to honestly like a realtor a financial advisor who's GonNa Start on their own. You know you're not going to work for somebody so you either do this yourself or you go to work for a consulting company that does this for people and those aren't those that's just there's not a ton of those popping up an an all round so this is something that you have to create in my mind. This is something you have to create on the side. And you're going to have to start with just one you know. Don't get overwhelmed Matthias but this is not a business David that unless you have a huge reputation to let's say you're an executive for a fortune five hundred company. Well you know if you step out and say look I'm starting my own consulting business. That's a whole different ballgame. You've got a ton of connections of very credible able background reputation and the connections to probably fill that pipeline before he ever walks or she walks in your situation situation. I don't assume that you're in that situation. Am I correct in assuming that you you are correct. I so then you're going to have to build this just like anybody else like even a lawyer straight out of law school who wants to start his own firm. It's great started your own firm but guess what we clients and so instead of trying to do this fulltime. I want you doing this part time time because of two reasons number one. You're going to have to prove this. And the only way to prove it is is really wanted a time. Certainly when you're new at it it the second reason is it takes the pressure off of you. I mean it's like I want you having a good day job. That is not a conflict of interest wrist. And it's not you know so intense that you have no brain matter or no you know no bandwith left to be able to do some consulting so ideally something. That's very flexible. Or that's not consuming a tremendous amount of your energy so that you have time at night and weekends is to do some consulting for people and the best way to get this started is right there in Milford Illinois in your Zip Code because there's gotTa be small business people that you know yes or no Yup yeah well e- inland. Here's ask you this. Yeah go for it in the research as I ran into a major roadblocks because I I could not find anybody within sixty miles. What that does this what? I'm you know what I'm doing so I was trying kind of you know. Find somebody that I could Kind of get as a mentor. But I'm not having any luck with that. Well having congestion well yes and no. What did you find outside of sixty miles? Do you find anybody. But they're all larger large firms. Yeah do they. Do they have an event that they do. Do they do certification. Do they do any training that. I did not look into. I'd start filing filing all those people and social media. See what she what information you can get from them. So that's all part of the research thing are there. Are there conferences webinars. That are inner space where you can pick up some things. Because here's the thing here's why said yes and no are you. You've you've done this in the past so your confidence level just on your own is how high scale of one to ten one being no confidence. Ten being off the charts. What's your confidence level that you come in and help a small business? Do It do what it is that you think you can help them do. Okay what do you think you're missing What gets you to a nine? Is it experience or is it. Some sort of Certification slash qualification nation. I don't I would say a qualification. Just a my own. You know my own I don't know self-confidence yeah so my point is this what are the qualifications out. There is there some sort of certification process for for a business coach. I mean anybody can say their business coach right for the people who call themselves business coaches or business consultants. Do they have letters after their name. If they do what is it. Is it a masters degree. Well then that to me is worth nothing right an NBA doesn't make you a good good business consultant right. I know I just stepped on some toes but I'm just being honest the NBA. But I mean come on you have an MBA a lengthy further for your client how about having an MBA and never actually been in business a run a business before right. I'll take you David everyday the week over an NBA. Because you've done this before. Yes or no yes all right. So here's my point. I'd go spend a little bit of time and find out if there's some sort of industry standard you understand what I'm saying. So is there some sort of industry standard or qualification or certification or something like that That exists for people who do what you do if it is then look into that. How much is that going to cost you? How long is that GonNa take based on your budget? Then I look into that but other than that I are you. Are you gainfully employed right now. I am great. Stay in the day job. And and then here's the deal. Here's a crazy idea. Dino any small business people that you would consider friends or acquaintances in Milford Illinois. Why do you think you could help? Their business grow Yeah what if you propose that if you propose that you were working for free for them I am your consultant for six months. Three months you come up with whatever the relevant offer would be but in ninety days or one hundred twenty days or whatever you make it up in three to six months if you can get them from here to there they give you a piece of the action. We've got straight commission consulting pretty risk free as far as I'm concerned or you see what I'm saying you just can't get in the game and and you've got to start consulting and start delivering results if you deliver results for people David. Guess what they're GONNA do. They're going to use me. They're going to use you it they're gonNA recommend you. They're going to endorse you. And now we got ourselves a side business. And how many clients will we need to have to where you could step away. Hey from the day job you know what you need to make so this is not as complex. We make it. What has to be true for you to step into this fulltime? That's that's what you have to answer right that out on paper today before you go to bed. This has to be true for me to be full time as a small business consultant. Write it out and folks when we get out of her head and we get it on paper this is proven says neuroscience psychology supports. All of this when you get it out of hand we write it down on paper. It's the same reason that that people tell you that writing down your goals is more powerful. You Begin to focus on you begin to see it all the time again to think about it and and he began to see possibilities and results that you never saw before. This is a great opportunity for me it again. This isn't just for For David This this is for all of you and this is the idea here that reticulation activating system. That I've talked about. We know this from neuro science our brain in works as a camera. Whatever we think about whatever we focus on is what our brain will go out and take pictures of to support the fought so if we and in this case David starts thinking about all the different people? He could probably help and how you'd help him and he begins to think think about and he goes. I'm going to start with one client. I'M GONNA go and try to deliver some results. He starts thinking about that. He's GonNa Start noticing things you didn't know so we're writes down today as I told holding to. This has to be true for me to be able to step into this fulltime and he gets out of his head. He's going to begin to see that plan and see opportunity the next steps and everything that he needs to see to be able to actually believe in do that happens. When we begin to think about things specifically in-intentionally the brain is amazing? We'll give you all sorts of supporting evidence. So that's your homework assignment. David go go go. There's still time for more calls more coming up. This is the Ken Coleman show. I'm so excited about three free resources. That can calm in dot com. It's about helping you get the job that you're looking looking for here. Are the three resources how to write the perfect resume five ways to fix your resume and land your dream job. This guide helps you understand that a resume without a relationship relationship is worthless. 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The Can Coleman show continues on your phone calls eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven some of you out there listening right now in. Your heart is beating out of your chest because you go boy. I know there's something more for me I know there is. I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And and life is moving really fast and I'm headed towards the future. That's going to be full of regret as opposed to full of reminiscent. That's where we wanna be that when then we end our journey if we were all offered the opportunity to be sitting among our family and friends knowing the time to move on into eternity is near and we say boy. It's been a good run. What a ride? I went after it and we'll have more reminiscent than we do regretting specifically did you. You live the life you were meant to live now. We talk a lot here about work or not one dimensional people but on this show we know that we are created to work in that work is significant to us and your work is significant. Never get to others. So that's why we do what we do here. Let's find your sweet spot. The intersection of your greatest talent and your greatest passion in other words. You use what you do best to do what you love to do. Most eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven the number. Let's go to Kelly. WHO's on the line in Brighton? Michigan Kelly on the Ken Coleman show. Hi Com Hi Kelly. How are you good? How are you living the dream? What's going on well? I'm just looking for some advice or some help as how I could help My son who's nineteen He's been out of. He graduated a so your goal. So we're just going into the second year and he just really is just loss and he just doesn't really have any drive. He's not super motivated but he doesn't and have any passion or interest or hobbies. 'cause I keep trying to talk to people and everyone's like well what did you like. What does he do? And and there's not really a whole a lot to say I mean other than he likes hanging out with his rose on the weekends you know. And 'cause he's nineteen and what they're doing right now and he's very social he. I mean he has a great group of friends from High School. we still is connected with you know. Luckily and they're you know they're all in college edge which is good which is why we want him to do but he's really not a college bound type. I mean he's kind of a different bird so to speak. Okay stop right there. Stop right there. Okay I refuse to believe that as his mother. You don't have some kind of I guess or inkling as to subject matters or activities topics stories things that he lights up with. You're telling me nothing you and everybody else. Noses kid can identify anything that makes his eyes lineup Well that's that's why I'm calling has no. We're really struggling. I mean if it's something exciting or social or okay all right. Here's the deal. I just refused to believe this. I'M GONNA break this down for you. What is the kid? Let's someone you or when you either yourself or someone. You know has a hard time identifying passions. It's always good to look at what you're really good at. Because there's a place to steer your son I would not put. I would stop putting pressure on him to go to college. In fact I'm going to go against the grain here. This is what I believe the vinyl like it. I'm okay with. They called me. I would stop talking about college around you know. Drop it although we don't really understand I'm not getting on. I'm just telling you talk about it anymore. All right now what we WANNA do is is incurs this kid just to get meaningful just some type of good work doing something that air just just doing something. He's good at so as he begins to kind of pursue some things and explore some things that he is good at doing. We're talking about passion right now because he's nineteen his passions are going to evolve. But I think you'll find clues and you will potentially turn his effect. I know you can turn his lights. John if he just is encouraged to go make some money and said hey you want to buy a car you want to buy fishing boat. Whatever like give him some some sort what a fun goal that he can achieve by actually working and and in working? He's GonNa just do something he's pretty good at and then he's going to begin to see the things that he enjoys doing but we got I get him going we gotta get him about something and what did nineteen year olds. Get excited about money so he you can do cool things to impress his buddies right. Yeah now let me ask you make him. Yeah we'll go ahead go ahead. I WanNa ask you another question so right now. He's you know he's living at home and he he's working landscaping which is kind of just a job. I mean he does He. You know it's hard 'cause the Labor which which is fine He's not making that much money. And we're like you know like buddy you need to get either a second job or need to get another job. Working forwarded okay All right listen if he's GonNa live at home in nineteen I'd say buddy. Here's the deal forty hours a week. All right yeah minimum. Like because at least he's out there. Yeah but at least he's out there working. I'm fine with forty hours a week for a nineteen year old. Yeah Hey mom we got a baby. Step our way into this with this kid or you're going to push him away all all right. Well we want this kid to come to the realization that you wanting to on his own. Now let's go back to what he does. Well what does he always just done. Naturally it's just come easy to him. I didn't have to try hard. He was always pretty good at this. Whether it be a task or a subject or something like that what yours. Mom Tells me Oh well I don't know hold on. How is it possible? I'm not even kidding. Now how's it possible that you can't tell me what this kid is good at. I don't understand right now. I know I'm embarrassed this is. We shouldn't be trying to embarrass you. You're not you're not. You're not thinking clearly look at. What was he good at? What subjects came easy to this kid? I don't think any subjects came to school with terrible. Is The kid go with his hands. No okay is he creative in anyway. Way I Not necessarily I mean I think he is and like music or maybe you know movies but I don't know l. how subtle because it doesn't really do anything I mean in the okay if if I was on the phone with your husband or the father or anybody that knows this kid while you're telling me that they would be just. This is dumbfounded as you are. This is the first human being ever walked face of the earth. That doesn't do anything. Well well that I guess is part of the problem other than people folks cows. I don't really know. Where's the way we well a lot of people telling me you know? He's a great kid and say listen. Stop Stop Parents. Stop stop if someone has people skills you heard the word skills in that phrase right so sauce skills or what what we call them now. They call it the ability to have saw skill. So that connects well with others. So what makes this kid. Great Connector Kelly. Yeah what makes this kid a connector. What makes them good with people? I don't know I guess he's because Out going social person. I don't know okay all right Kelly here. Here's where we're at. I have really done my best and I I I'm matter crossroads. Because my methodology cannot work and it will not work. If we don't have clarity and sweetheart I don't know what to I tell you I have never ever been stumped this the first time on my show that I've been stumped and I'm not stumped with what to tell you to do I'm not stumped with with with where this thing's going I've never in my life. Had A had a mom lockup on saying what their kid does and I think this is unfair to your son because I could spend ten minutes with him and and I could get out of this kid something that he does well. So maybe you need to start there and I'm mocking accept this. Well we've talked to everybody. Nobody knows what he does. Well that is a big bunch of garbage. Let's start with the fact fact. This kid is really well liked. And how about we have a conversation with the kid and say hey we I want you to work and you're going to have to work to be able to stay in our home if there was anything that you wanted to try right now what would you want to do. And why and keep having that conversation with him. I'm telling telling you he'll reveal something and if you or your husband don't know that you need to go talk to a teacher. A principal somebody who has seen potential essential in your son and then here's what we do on so we have some idea what he does best get him a job. You go out work all your connections you get him a job using those talents and then say hey. Try It for a little bit and do it fulltime. He's nineteen who gives a crap how long he does it and if he does it for six months then say go do something else doing those things and then try something else using those talents and then as he gets a little bit older he's going to begin to connect but you gotta just have conversations with him that are not stress filled. That are not pressure-filled. You say hey buddy what have you always dreamed about. And for Heaven's Sakes get to know your child. That's that's mind. Mind Boggling to me and by the way that's not a criticism of Kelly she just particularly and the research titular because he doesn't know how to identify it folks parents who we take the pressure off a parenting. If you just absolutely get in tune with your kid and know what let your kid does well and know what your kid loves to do and why they love to do that. There's clues they're stop pushing him to college. Stop making this kid. You know you gotTa have this job. No just get a job leading try fifty things. He's nineteen he's already living at home. Stick the pressure. Aw and let the kid explore. Don't move more. Ken Coleman show coming up right around the corner. Welcome back America to conversation about you what you were created needed to do. Let's figure it out and come up with a plan to make the dream job a reality. It's very much alive. The dream is still very much alive. Live but I am here to tell you that fear and doubt and pride or the three ugly nasty devious enemies and they're trying to hold did you back and I'm going to shine a light on those nasty creatures and they will scurry to the corner of the room. I promise you have the answers to what the dream is. I can help you with a plan to get there. I promise but you just have to believe and if you don't have a lot of belief borrow some of mine it's free no interest you do not have to pay it back so essentially. I'm not letting borrow anything I got to stop saying borrow. I'm just GonNa give you my belief. What are we talking about gift? How many have ever had somebody? Just give the gift you have to believe. Come on. I'm feeling that juice right now. Because I think back a quick rewind on my life somebody who's just put enormous belief right in your lap just giving it to you. Oh that's good and so that's what we're doing here. Eight four four seven four seven seven two five seven seven. Let's go to Duane who is on the line in Ontario Canada Duane. You're on the Ken. Coleman show hi Ken clincher. Taking taking my call. Sure I've been director for twenty plus years now with a couple of managerial positions older those twenty years. What are your start of career that you love your no to career? That's completely different. Well I need to know more but I'm fine anglophone as long as it's in your sweet spot tog- as long as Dwayne this new career Allows you to use your skills and strengths to do something a role to fill role to perform a task or function. That you look forward to to that. When you're engaged in time passes instantly you just lose all track of everything and when you're done there's great reward because you know the work matters to you in somebody else if it meets the criteria that I just described which is the sweet spot then? I'm fine with it. So what is it. You've been a funeral director for twenty years. What's the new thing? Boy uncurling assistant manager at if you know in Canada here work and I've been offered to apply to become A general manager factual company. Okay I'm just debating whether or not to go down to leave my family roads. Okay hold on hold on hold on hold on. You're starting you're starting to give me some clues. What do you mean? You're you're hesitant to leave your family down that road. What does that mean to me? That is unsecurity. Why why is it? Unsecure secure insecure. Why is it not secure? I don't understand Well I guess feel directing their security in it to some degree With manufacturing action depending on what the economy is like manufacturing cook what could go their management position. Fair hold us. What is the company? Do you know the cup. Tell me the company My question is What is the company's tracker? They've been around fifty years. Are they healthy. What have you learned in the community about their very healthy? I'm David Acuity for forty forty plus years. Oh my gosh what. What are the manufacturer? It's more Packaging material is that a rare thing or is it an in demand thing. Okay so check. Check Dwayne I'm like what I'm hearing so far. How much more money would you make in this new role? I've been told a significant more with this with this That's positive but I've gone for interviews with different positions within this company over the last years. I'm three times dough now. They've come back and asked me to apply for a different position. That's a good sign but it's a good time. They're interested in me obviously. I'm variant secure with the industry for twenty years. Yes but here's the deal first of all the decision has not been presented to you yet. They've just said we want you to come interview. What harm is there? And you're going to interview and I would say it's rather positive that you've interviewed for multiple positions. You didn't get them but they still want you to come in for this. I think this is a risk free. Kick the tires. But you're acting like you're acting like the paperwork is right in front of you and there's a guy standing behind you a large burly man who's got a baseball baseball bat and he's tapping it slowly in his hand. Like make that decision Dwayne and that's mccorkell. That's not what's happening right correct. So you're getting all worked up over nothing so now let's fast forward this deal you go in you have a good interview. And let's say they offer you the position. You're still going to be dealing with the fear of. I've never done this before I've been in the funeral business for twenty years but then we step back and go okay. What can we be confident of of Dwayne? So I'm GonNa ask you some questions to see if we can establish some confidence. Okay sure what would you say. Gimmie three or four words. I want just to be super simple. What would you say that you do? Are you have done in your experience. Your greatest experiences with your twenty years and some type of management role in the funeral business. What would you say you do really really well developed people? Okay what else chalk and solve problems. Okay good what else I believe I lead. Well okay great now. Let's press pause on that. Let's go to this. GM position based on what little bit you know or maybe no a lot. What do you think you might have to be able to do well as a GM in this manufacturing company a manufacturing that's been in existence for quite a while? It's quite successful. What do you think they're gonNA want out of the role all three interesting? And are you good at those. Three things are awesome apples both street. Oh my Gosh Dwayne Twain. There's no reason for you to not have any confidence anymore. I just painted in a corner and I apologize for that but somehow I think you might forgive me thank you am I right though you. Are you got what it takes. Who cares if it's in a funeral home or a warehouse? GM's I don't care what industry it's the people business. I don't care what the widget is. The GM and that manufacturing company is going to be about people. And you said you're regraded developing people leading people and that's what it takes and you've got it my man so if you get the offer then I would take it in two seconds and for whatever reason if manufacturing of that product or whatever whatever go south to your point there most likely GonNa always be funeral homes and you're gonna be fine thanks can antibody folks. That's what it's about clarity. You see what happened on that call. He goes from a lack of clarity to clarity. And the clarity gave him an infusion of confidence and now he'll have the courage to stay with it. Go after it. Don't go anywhere. Really get more clarity for more of YOU COMING RIGHT UP. This is the Ken Coleman show take. We're helping you fight fear and doubt this is the Ken Coleman show. Welcome one and all if you are listening. You're part of the human race which means that you were created to fill a unique role. That means you are needed needed. It comes with some responsibility. Because here's the back part of that sentence. You have to do it if you're needed. I mean you gotTa be you. If you're not used somebody out. There is not getting what they are supposed to get because you were pulled on the planet to do it he see what this is all about. This isn't actually about. Oh you I tell you all the time it's about you and about you but it's really about others. We're on this planet to give ourselves away so let's get about the purpose in the process of discovering. What is my unique gift? And how am I supposed to give it away. Eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. We go to Amarillo. Texas where Jay is on the line Jay. You're on the Ken Coleman show. Hey are you doing today. I'm living the dream Jay. What's going on? Yeah so I have a situation that I'm not exactly sure how to deal with. Oh kinda give you just a little bit of history. If that's all writer. I came out of college working for startups software development and ended up starting my own business which did not go so well ended up going and working at a normal corporate job doing software. RND But the way that the job was described. What's it's actually? Delivering is very very different now. I loved the software space. I love being creative. Problem solving is absolutely uh-huh one of my strongest skills approaching problems from new directions and optimizing right. That sort of my niche. But what I'm doing here is paperwork. Work and meetings and politics and very very small amount of my time is actually doing work and so. I'm not sure how to how to shift that. I don't believe that this company is going to be able to make that sort of transit transition because it's very politically fueled it's hard workspaces. Go and I'm trying to find out how I can shift into doing something. That is more along those lines of what I was promised when I was trying to get into this place. Well it sounds like to me. You're not going to be able to do there am I right. Yeah all right so so so hold on. I'm just walking you through for this one piece at a time so if it's highly unlikely that you're going to be able to transition into a role like you fought the role that you're in now was going to be because of all these other reasons you just sort of generalized. Then signed going to happen there. Some as we look for that role or those those types of gigs. Other places your guy who's very clear what he wants to do. I mean I wrote down here in my mold. Skin creative problem solving software optimizing. That's that's that's your juice. You love that doing that. Work every day would have you right in the middle of your sweet spot. So you're asking me how it's not that difficult. You gotta you gotTa find find it somewhere else and then you leave the current place because they Advertised one thing gave another. And you think it's highly unlikely that they would move you into position. Doing what it is. You just described that you wanna do so to me. It's you got to move on but we're going to not move on until we find that other thing that allows you you do what you WanNa do. Yeah the one of the benefits of working where I do right now is it is very well paying i. I can't deny neither having business venture I still have a little bit of debt from that it was actually a hooker. Push it program. Let me ask you a question if I if I could just make things happen right now I could just snap my fingers and make a job happen. That would allow you to do all day every day. What you just described that you want to do? So the the problem solving the software the optimizing that stuff. Okay and you were doing that all day. Day every day Would that pay similar. What you're making right now? Not where I live. That's the problem. Okay okay so if I if I were willing to relocate but I have family here and I- trying not to leave the area okay so you signed up for your current role thinking it was what we just described and then found out. It's a bunch of paper pushing and leadership not actual optimizing right okay. Well it's your choice. Wasteman you called me and I just heard a guy say well can. I can go do the work that I love but I'd have to leave family. Why why? That's never a good excuse for me. Man It just doesn't because if you stay you're going to be paid well and you're going to slowly slowly die a little bit more each day and then the very people that you were trying to please by staying in Amarillo Texas are are going to be the people that you represent fifteen years from now if not sooner so I don't know what you want me to tell you I don't don't tell people what they wanna hear. I tell them what I think and what I think is you made it really clear what you do and you're not able to do it right now or at least you're doing it on a very small level so you can go to your leadership right now and say hey guys. This is what you advertise when I signed I'm not doing that and I'm slowly dying and my question is can I do what I really WanNa do here and still make the same amount of money but I think I'm reading between the lines. That's not going to be possible in my writer my wrong long. I think that's pretty right. Then what do you WanNa do. Jay Do you WanNa keep you know. slogging it out every Monday morning and and telling yourself well it's really good money and I'm able to pay off my dad's doing that for a while. Yeah how long have you been doing it about the year. Okay how old are you Jay. I'm twenty seven twenty seven. How much debt you got to pay off about? Twenty five thousand okay. What if you start looking right now for something outside of Amarillo and you just see what's out there without making any commitment to leave family or even have a difficult conversation with the Y.? For the family or whoever it is what. If you just see what's out there and you see what kind of difference financially there is if not any at all if not more making more money doing what you really. Why don't you just see what's out there? Give yourself a chance to just consider something else outside of your comfort zone. That would be something up that I'd like you to do the second thing I'd like you to do is I'd like you to look at how long it will take you to pay off the debt. If you stay in the current position. How much would it? How long would it take you? I imagine it would probably take about another nine months or maybe a year. Okay great so what if you stay in your current position and you bust it and you pay off everything in a year and now you don't have the debt and gives you two things to look at A. I don't have the debt and for a year. I've been researching. What else I could do in other places? Is that the Weiss family or is it your family host actually okay but are you going to have the problem leaving Amarillo or is your wife can have the problem leaving Amro. I'm more more me dude. Come all man I I gotTa tell you. You'RE GONNA regret this if you stay in a position only because it keeps you in the same Zip Code as mom and Dad. I think you're going to. I think you're gonNA regret that now. I am not judging you. I'm not telling you that's the wrong decision. I'm telling you that if that's the only reason that you don't do the work you love because you just gotTa be near Mom and Daddy goodness gracious sakes alive. There's airplanes there's cars is road trips Maybe Income Amrullah one day. But YOU'RE GONNA regret that I'm just gonNa tell you right now and you have have created a shackle you are shackling yourself like a chain on an ankle to a stake. That's what you've done. That's what you're doing. That's not health. Our time is almost up but before I let you go you do matter you do have what it takes. Thanks for joining the conversation sation until next time. This is the Ken Coleman Show Press John. Thanks for listening to the Ken Coleman Show for more. You can find the show on demand wherever you listen to podcasts. And watch the show on Youtube. You can also find into can across all social media by following at Ken Coleman. Hey folks I want you to check out our other Ramsey network podcasts like Christie Rights Business Boutique Ham Christy Wright and I help women all over the country take their ideas and passions and hobbies and turn them into profitable business. 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"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT. visit www dot past troy dot com before information. Detroit uncensored all things, Detroit Real Talk No. Holding back no-holds-barred. Welcome to Detroit uncensored at your host vj on. Saturday August eighth we are here at the Detroit uncensored studios here at the Norfolk Power Cast Center. Today I have with me local marketing shop expert, Social Media Guru and all around Great Guy John Hart. How are you today? I'm good man I'm good man pleasure to be here with you. Awesome. Awesome So how's everything going for you this year this has been a kind of a new year. Yeah. You know social media's been interesting this year it's always interesting. You're always changing the rules always gonNA make any adapt, but for people who wanNA market and advertise and get new customers, new clients and make money. Man Social Media has just been phenomenal in fact, the spring and summer has been amazing for might focus. Clientele. Awesome. Awesome. We'll dive into that a little bit of that. I just have some housekeeping things here. Shortly, I do want to point out that we have the unlock Michigan petition drive going on right now if you do hear about it, it is the repealment of the Executive Order Act of nineteen, forty, five essentially. Keep extending. I would encourage anybody that like smaller government like myself to go ahead and sign that. We need one person pushing the executive orders into Paul kind of making the law even though they're not technically law, only the legislative branch can do that. They'll be out there all over the town state. Tomorrow we'll be out Hartland with him. So that's just a quick housekeeping items I'll drop more of that on the Detroit uncensored page. So tell me a little bit about where you're at right now in the social media business are you doing more on facebook twitter or Lincoln facebook and instagram are the money maker my clients? So that's where I live I do real estate low. Mortgage Loan Marketing for people. So the visual of home and the idea of home ownership is really visually driven. Yeah. So instagram's fantastic facebook is fantastic. You know twitter twitter is not our space it's not the space that works for him. Is that I I should have known that concern her conversation before that I said anything you're saying. Hundred forty characters, right right. But you know the images draw people in and then guy some great ad copy and their and. Convert awesome and the customers do great. They love it. Awesome. Awesome. So So how did you get into that? I remember very specifically you you automation time. Officer to and I fell into my Yeah and then we sat down, we had coffee we a good friendship. Know and so you know John's a local guy he's from Milford. In Milford, my knife and four kids and. How long have you lived there? Well, lived in Milford since two thousand three, we bought a house in the village when I was just my wife and I, but I've lived in the area my whole life. White Lake Milford. Southfield I lived in for a while before in Detroit for a little bit with my brother do so. I was kind of a fun time. Awesome and. Big. Yes for US right. That was kind of having a conversation. Exactly. And we're just too young bucks trying to figure it out in how to I was trying to figure out how to take power away from real estate agents looking for referrals and how I could give them referrals. Exactly. Exactly. That's the whole dynamic right that's that's how we started You know I, you Lincoln. As Yeah. Linked in is a great place for me fish for clients, but it's not as great for like a real estate agent or a loan officer to find homebuyer or refinance right? That's where facebook and instagram come in. But for me to find real estate agents and loan officers to Margaret you linked in, it's like the BB space. Yeah. So that's where that came in. Yeah absolutely. I. Remember you ask me and I'll say this you know I I'm always down to meet people. I. Think About Building and maintaining relationships. and. The other day got kinda hooked into my automation I was like Oh, you son of a gun. Then you know you were so far ahead of me I remember that because you were showing me split ads, all stuff that I would eventually learn from you and my own research. And you would be like Oh look at this. This is a veteran lawn program and and it really talks to the power of how people react to the stimulus visuals team message marketing. A Good Hook? We call it a hooker. Copy. It's good ad copy, but they've got to have something. It's got to talk to somebody dash hits them hits them personally because you really you know if a thousand people an ad, you may only get two people to click on it but those two people you want those two people count. Yeah. So you had to have ad copy that speaks to exactly the person you want to deal with. So it's perfect. Beautiful. So what are you doing on instagram because I know I? I'm familiar with your facebook. Tell me I am not as active on Instagram Yeah I'm not at all active on actually I I have an instagram account that I set up because I felt like I, had to. But I've done nothing with it because it doesn't serve my purposes and but because facebook bought instagram when you place an ad on facebook, you can just click a button and that same ad is reformatted to go on instagram a pervert. So then you just link to Link it to my clients facebook pages. If they don't have instagram, it doesn't matter makes page for them but it's the images it's visual it's the. It's a scroll stop right everybody's scrolling, and now all of a sudden for some reason or another, you're going to stop the occasionally right So when we get our target customers to stop on the image, stop the scroll. Then we have a good odd. So it's all about stopping the scroll. Awesome and so how many times you have currently Reno Well I have a couple of different product offerings so it just depends right? Clients that I have when I do full service offering where I'm managing their their facebook page and managing their ads and managing things, and they're just paying me to take care of everything. I've only got five clients, right. But what I did because I, as I was doing this I came across this some repeat question will John. I'm on a tight budget and I I'd like to do things on my own. Yeah. Right and you know initially I was sloughing that up because you know to teach people how to do what I do takes a lot of time and nobody's willing to pay. You know the thousands of dollars really. It would cost to have me teach them. But what I did over time they realize well, this is untapped market. There's so many people that just want to do it on their own and nobody serving them if you keep hearing the same question over and over again, that right thing being lightbulb goes off it's meal. So I just created a whole course to show like I basically recorded myself doing everything that I do people and I made those recordings available in of course. Yeah. I have a facebook group that people can join and I kinda give them support and guidance, but I'm hands off. So they pay me monthly for access to that and a little bit extra for some support. Yeah. So I provide support. So in that case I've got over three hundred clients. And they pay monthly for just access to my support and videos to teach them how to do it, and then as facebook instagram invariably teens rules. Yeah. Yeah. Always changing. Changed the Algorithm always change. Once you figure it out, then you have to refigure it out. That's why it's important to have somebody that you got plugged in and Dick though sue and can stay calm and the missing because like a a couple years ago facebook decided. All right remember how facebook pages just have like enormous reach. If you had a facebook page and you got a bunch of people to like your page, you would put a post out and let's say. You had one hundred thousand people that would like it instantly, facebook would show it fifty thousand of those people, right so you have this beautiful read. So famous people like brands and everything was using facebook pages. Then facebook said, you know what? We don't like how this user experiences they took that reach and they put it to near zero and said, if you want that reach, you gotta pay for obviously they WANNA monetize it. So people flip out what am I going to? If, you can keep your calm during that, what happens is a bunch of people disappear because they can't take the pressure of it and they try to find new ways to do it but if you keep your calm and you have a strategy. You find that because everybody else disappears you can grab more market share aren't you can grab more eyeballs if you're smart about it. So that's what I provide for my clients I just I see through the storm I, keep them calm I keep customers coming in for them I keep new new leads coming in from all the time so valuable. Yeah. So to all my loan officers in real estate and friends which I have tons of out there make sure you check out the Logan Shop John Hart we're GonNa try to transition into something that which is variable the current events and how social media impact your social media all day I'm on. Social. Media Lot. Not, all day but mostly all night because I have a unique sleeping better. Tonight and I sleep after work when I get home during the. We're about it. That's crazy. I can't keep up with. So. So. Obviously you're in tune with a lot of the current events in you probably see how the those stimulus effect how we communicate with each other. Yeah. Yeah. So tell me about You know. I. Noticed I noticed personally there was a rapid change of. Three to five years. It's kind of the breakdown of social communications. people are are kind of looking at issues nowadays. As if they are black and white. Or Not White, but there's one side another side no one's giving. Oh, well, I can summarize it for we're getting dumber. That's just really kind of the bottom line is. No one's no one's gotta think we communicate and MEMES, yeah. Short thoughts and honestly it started. Funny, thing is started with the printing press. I'm not going to get into the whole story, but it started with really kind of the marketing idea of like you have just a little bit of time with somebody's attention and you've got to make the most of that time right like the printing press when people started mass producing like pamphlets and newspapers there was some outrageous claims that would get put in there and it would catch somebody's attention and then they would respond direct response marketing and then you get news media, right? You know you'll be watching and they'll say bomb explodes in Beirut, and then you'll see this fantastic video right up this huge mushroom cloud in the the bomb, the bomb blast, and then say. And then they'll switch like ten seconds later they switch about a story about a cat. And you know that was swatting at people that came to adopt it, and then once it was adopted, it's happy now right and then it's like constant like switchback which back. So then people's attention spans are like this. So that's how communication has gone and instead of I don't know there was a debate back in the day with Lincoln Douglas but presidential debate that would last like five and six hours and people would be grossed but they were developing ideas over time and we've just lost touch with that. You know people don't think deeply. Especially not in communication on social media you can't. You'll lose people their eyes glaze over and it's over oh absolutely and even meet someone who is extremely political. There's no doubt and this is a partisan show and we're going to dive into politics and a little bit and current events shape. Again debates. But It seems like the the players will be are regulating what's said and done. Yeah. Yeah. What's your thoughts on that I? Know I know you gotTa have been on that yeah. So there's this debate, right? So I got into this. I have a good friend that we grew up together. We're best friends growing up and we we disagree greatly and and it Kinda came by surprise we kind of lost touch with each other and then years later we kind of started reconnecting shortly after he got remarried and. There was some stuff happening on facebook with recently with the whole like. There was a michiganders' against excessive quarantining facebook group I, don't know if you remember that thing kind of coming up. Yeah. I I definitely saw that okay. Owners multiple like it. In people that I associated with are heavily against the mask, right right and and just the the excessive quarantine right like okay. So Detroit's a hot spot but then you've got like like rural places in northern Michigan and there's like zero cases or low cases. Yup Low daft like it's under control not a problem. Why are they lockdown as Detroit? So that was this whole like the. Blanket, it's well, they started organizing and they were doing protests in the city like the gridlock and the. Next thing you know. Baseball. Right. So you know I made public comment about it a friend of mine posted about it and I commented on their posted like you know it's really Kinda. Scary to see how a reasonable there are people in that group like, okay. There were three hundred thousand as part of that group we have three hundred, thousand people a group. Are they going to be idiots in their stupid star? Yes there's going to be it is, but do they represent the idea? No you. Idiot mouth and off on social media. There are millions of those, right? Yeah. I've been guy time. Okay. So idiots on social media, all of us included, but the idea of the group. was completely reasonable. Yeah, right. So to contrast that right. So immediately when that got taken down I was like, well, you know there are other groups that do have people in the comments sections saying outrageous things. So I just went to the black lives matter page. All right just to see right and I think everybody agrees with the proposition black lives matter. I mean. That's like unassailable point, right? I go I go with. All? Black lives. If someone asked me that I say yes and then they all say, yes, at least is matter I say, yes all is all lives. Matter is still fair property I get the idea. I don't need to throw the balance problem comes with the movement by the name of black lives matter I hope that people understand there's a distinction I think every unless you're really a racist and you really don't like the idea black lives mattering will then you're disgusting and you don't really fit in our culture. Get in this country, you know those folks boxed in for so long but they're not part of our conversation. And INS unfortunate the media has given them a platform and you know I can assure you the number give platform. We will discuss controversial issues like we're doing right now. Yeah. Yeah. But the thing about black lives matter the movement is they take some stances that are completely ridiculous like they want. They don't. They think the western idea of the nuclear family isn't shouldn't be sustained that we should now have like. Community family. Well, we're talking about the NEO Marxist movement that and yeah. So that's the idea. So I'm like. All right. So if Michiganders' against excessive quarantining has some people in it that are behaving badly enough that they should be yanked. Well, let's go take a look and see what's in black lives matters page and their group and the post and the comments and the post because my friend was saying about how you know you know facebook has the right and their platform determined they do what is for no You know so I'm like, okay. Well, let's see what standards are they adhering to I promise you don't have to dig deep you don't have to dig deep at all. Immediately you'll find people advocating for killing cops immediately murder being advocated for publicly publicly calling for the murder of cops. Now. When you have a giant group with hundreds of thousands of people in it or tens of thousands of people you're going to have idiots mouth off on the Internet on social media, right? So all right. So what do we do? Well, if they say that that's okay. I think it's just fair to say that there's a group Michigan is against successive quarantining that it's okay because there are some people get a mouth off in their stupid stuff. But if you look at the actual leadership of the people who put that together and the things that they were saying the things they said, they stood for was eminently reasonable. Yeah and not in any way calling for anything that was illegal or unethical or not good. They were calling for restricting governments giving liberty to the people like like maintaining the rights that we have and not having them pulled back or restricted. Yeah. So you know when I saw that you know it's kind of disgusting because they make. I filter money to facebook. There's a little bit of dislike. What do they call it when you have like? Some skin in the game. And I feel a little bit like. All right. Well, I'm participating in that their business, right? You're not. You're not like someone like me I mean, I do have time time put money in the game and I'm going to and and there's Times. But you are actively involved in it. Yeah, I. Because of what I do facebook has made. A couple hundred thousand dollars at least maybe much more. You know some of my clients I I know that they've grown very large and done very well. But don't I don't spend their money, they spend their money on their own because of how I teach them. But you know it is a little bit of a conflict i. feel this cut like, wow, this platform who will restrict speech and and these days like whereas happening. Social media social media it. So powerful and they hold the platform that everybody has to speak their mind and they are now not no longer just. A platform. They are editorially editorially deciding what is good speech and what is bad speech right? And At some point here when we get to this idea of what is good and what is bad I had that's why I wanted to talk with you at some point in this hour. Get into that because that's All right. Yeah. To tell me your thoughts i. I know you're a guy that that that I always you with market myself I. Always say you know you're actress stimulus. Can Tell you personally that. I'm for free speech everywhere. What bothers me the most and it? It isn't something that that gets me so heated but it's like I'm person trying to figure a way around it. It's just the hypocrisy it's like. I, I know some of the people that were involved in operation gridlock and also the to a movement, and by the way I got my hat cummings I a sweet to a heck I mean. These are good folks. These are God fearing amazing people that that I've had a chance to meet over the last year that have accepted me and some of my socially liberal va views just socially I'm extremely conservative still. And there are some of the best people I've ever met into wash to get the media just. What they said. About. People Storm, the the Capitol building yeah you know that. Many. Of the people with the guns which we legally allowed to have allowed in the capital. New the cops on a first name basis up there. Yeah. But they got a good picture. Yeah. Yeah. The Guy Shouting now that he shouting. I saw clip I forgot what he said I know you're tell me but I remember seeing him saying wow, I can't believe they caught that one split second time and portrayed it the way that they did because what was really happening with something else it was I i. I'm not to speak today exact moment. All right but I I there's people that I. Associated with, and then I've seen I got cell phone pictures of people speaking with police officers and police have suggests Ma'am how you doing. Well, thank you so much. This is great. You know like, can I ask you a question why we're not allowed to go into chambers and observe the vote in this with respect to the Republican challenging Executive. Authority. And, then also Taken she would have to fight the case in court I believe their personal funds but obviously. Shoot, never pay for their own personal funds, but someone would donate or whatever. But. I have I have probably about forty five seconds video clips of them singing the national anthem. Shouting, national anthem yeah. Yeah you know, but this is the game. The game. It bothers me in the same right when I see people on the on the we'll say the left. Eye. When they get hammered to and barely though yeah, I try to be even with that because how can I? How can I defend one person and not another person on the same principle value We'll see that as I honestly think conservatism actually wins not necessarily Republicans but conservatism wins. Is when you know you see people being fair and even-handed, and that's what. Undermines. When I see somebody who is conservative claims conservatism or is actually conservative And I'm guilty of this and I think we all are guilty of this. Sometimes, you know nothing in return say absolutely like like attacking somebody in a way that you wouldn't want to be attacked right like ad Hominem or read haring or Straw man attacks I D as a principal or their person. Then you know that that has no place that basically what that does is getting down in the mud with people and no one wins Yeah I've I've I've I've always tried to, and again I'm guilty of it because there's certain things I'm very passionate about you know what I mean in. you know I I. Don't really go too low but I remember one time I was having A. I'll go into too liberal spaces and and speak know I'll use logic wealth are not arguments on never go just ignore it. And then one time I just remember going wild go low my buddy was in there he'll be on the show next week he's running for at Livingston County clerk. And I was like Jordan because me and him go at it a lot and now do I ever go low and he goes no the one thing you never go and he never goes low either and that's why we have these engage in conversations. We'll have next week. And I was like I'm done with this. You know what I mean like 'cause it was just it was just something so. I won't even repeat it although I would repeat it. I probably use this language, my daily life with my friends my. Friends but I was just like man like we were having a good go at it and then. The missile started coming in and you know I wasn't in a very friendly room. Let's say you know can. I already knew I was walking into the lion's den and I was expected but. It just We're getting on in such a good way. You know having a good conversation and it was almost like a real world conversation with two people would have and then. I'll just like I was just so turned off by it. Yeah and it's trouble. So social media is the platform where we communicate, but it's also the dumbest communication happens we. The thing I noticed about conservatives that I appreciate and it does happen also I. There are good conservatives back conservatives there are good. Liberals are bad liberals right like good and bad people exist in all spectrum. There are doctors that are heroes are doctors that are schmucks right that are prescribing over prescribing Vicodin, and then getting getting kickbacks for them getting sold right? Like there are good bad people all in every walk of life. But the thing that I appreciate that I see I, feel like consistent with conservatism is like sticking to the idea and not getting like you're saying the logic this is emotion earlier sticking to the idea and like arguing the points of the idea, the merit of the idea the problem is. It's not emotionally satisfying and it takes a lot of work. It takes a lot of time in development to get to like the good ideas. Yeah. and you know we just don't get We don't appeal on social media because of that. There's like there's very few. So we have people that are that are very effective spokespeople for conservatism and social media like Charlie. Kirk Yeah? I see him put some stuff out there and it's short and concise, and it's true and it's good. I appreciate it. That's a talent. It's tough to do in these days in he takes a lot of heat. Oh. Yeah. But he you know there are some tremendous people. There are some tremendous people in life that they're just so sharp. So many sharp so good at what they're doing. They're so fast on their feet I'm just glad there's some really good people out there that do that. Voice to the voiceless, I know some people have done that recently. I have a buddy like that. Actually he's an attorney. He has he's so charismatic. He's funny and he's so quick, witted and smart. Like man I'm not gonNA mention his name 'cause I don't know if it's okay but. I'm like man I wish I could be more like him in so many different aspects of life. And Just like how's it possible? I'll tell I'll tell you story I'm going to keep names on everything. He does how smart he is, and he's such a good proponent of a conservative values, but he doesn't he doesn't use it as a platform because he's in a position of public office to. but long story short it's. One of his clients there's something going on they said, okay. We'll give them the money with a settle. And he knew in his gut that these measures are being iceboxes there'd be shysters. So he got the opportunity to speak with this person phone. and the other turning declines because listen I know I know you're you're Freudian just for that I'm coming after you after already was told to get the money. Long Story Short I. THINK IT WAS A. Hundred thousand dollars the they only get ten thousand 'cause he made such a compelling argument. He didn't. He didn't come Adam and never comes in a weird way. But he came out with logical based argument like I know what's going on I'm not gonNA. Let you get away with this even but because he never said that my clients gave okay. And he did he did his clients well and he did the right thing. Yeah and so Charlie. Kirk. Venture. Is another one although I'm not the biggest fan of him. He talks fast. Yeah you know. All right. So Ben's one of those ones. He's very cerebral. Yeah. And you have to, you have to understand the world view is coming from to understand the logic is using. He wrote a book talked about you know where kind of the cradle of our Western civilization is in Athens and Judea Right. The idea that you know the the the moral code that comes from. Jewish. Law Jewish, thinking, judeo-christian values you here right. But then also like the thinking of like rights and Morality, and and government structure that came out of Athens and how those kind of melted and smart. So when you understand where he's coming from And you can understand the arguments that undergird where he comes from. Then he's a really entertaining to listen to because he's so smart. Oh. Yeah. Right and he's quick. He's one of those wants to that. He's so good with arguments that. Li It. It's not always I. Don't think he wins a lot of people over. Yeah. Because he's basically smashes people. So their ideas so he's logic he's so. He's logical. We'll get into the logic versus motion data appeals to me, but it's not broadly I don't think probably appealing I. Think he plays to an audience. So really well, but I, don't know if you win people over that well. I mean I guess arguments in their winning but again, just like you're saying. I think he's so smart but a little bit socially awkward. I think it's you know he talks about how when he was in high school he was bullied because he was a total nerd. Yeah. Right. Because he was like a bookworm and he was so but see. Sixteen. So, he's Super Smart and he started publishing. Super Young while. You know he's like one of those underpin you know the young. Kids. Yeah but he's brilliant and he's good to listen to and what he does well, is he he for the people who wanna spend the time to really think about what the whole argument? Of Conservatism Libertarianism he's Kinda. He kinda leads a little more libertarian than conservative. You know I think. Generally but. He really articulated while, but he it's a little bit of a higher level. It's you know you have to you. If you're well read, you'd really appreciate a lot of his arguments. Yeah. I I'm a big I'm big. I mean I read one well, I used to read one. One physical book a week, and then listen to audio books. So yeah, let's. Just, need your mind. Yeah. Nominee podcasts, and so I lived literally fall asleep listening to pass I have my shuffle and like a program in my mind. Like like you're GONNA learn by Osmosis like sleeping with a book on your head. It's GONNA help. But no, because it's something you can. You can always do I. Mean I can literally be at work listening to one OH. Yeah, and in so like people are getting into fiction fiction books. I can't do that because I view that as an opportunity to not be continuously earning. Yeah I feel I honestly feel. I do like to listen to some fiction and recent fiction because it's entertaining but I do much less of that than I do maybe history. Philosophy religion like I wanna hear about these great ideas that formed the society we live in I want to understand why America as a country, the United States of America why we've done so well in comparison to so many other ways that countries have been structure. Why have so many people risen out of poverty? Why have so many people gained such success? Why is our country worldwide viewed so? Much, as a bastion of liberty and freedom and ability to kind of make your dreams come true, right? Yeah. How did that happen and I love learning about the under girding principles to that? You're seeing. I this how my brain works fires go go for it. This isn't missile be totally feel have you seen the built America the show now it's a four part series it goes back to A. I'm not going to get the order wrong starts off with Cornelius. Vanderbilt. It will go through Rockefeller Carnegie. Always Henry. Ford. Okay. Edison Okay and it will talk about the literally how they built their fortunes. And how in there was you know? The good old days I mean it wasn't the good old days because people were treated treated but Workers Movements and then I got it. I understand so. Every country in history Muslim each other out fighting it even even Donald Trump Donald trump's you know he's one of the commentators on this. This is before you decide to run for president everybody hated him right everybody loved him before they hated them. Yeah and then Donny Deutsch on there and it really it. They have actors that kind of role play it, and you know it's it's really talks about the standard oil company how Rockefeller was so stuck in views and how he's always maximizing profit and really how capitalistic people that really built infrastructure of our country. Muslim church other out they had huge. Egos and. Pushing out. It's a phenomenal series I'd recommend that for anybody it's a four part series and I think he's one about ninety minutes long it's great. That's stuff I watch honestly to. America honest beauty of of. The freedom to fail, and you know there are so many stories of failure in those guys lives. And anybody you ever meet and Across, everything that they do whether it's professional life personal life people who are successful. If you really get to know if you know somebody and you don't know about values in your life, then you don't really know because everybody fails now everybody blows it and have the freedom to totally blow it but to try great things. I mean there's something in that. That stirs my soul. Now, and that's that's honestly when I've kind of gotten to the root of everything in in the United States, there was a lack of safety, a lack of security. There was like you either did it or you died early on yeah. You either made it happen or you failed spectacularly. and. When you're. An and anybody who's had their back against the wall some point in their life with some arena in their life when your back is against the wall and it's basically you gotta figure it out or you die who us us. Pretty, much every college you're essentially. Zero base salary one, hundred, percent commission ten, ninety, nine right at the things right I. Got Four Kids Right and I'm entrepreneur I. Don't I don't have a job I make money by going and finding ways to get it. Yeah and so when you live a life like that. Really gets you in touch with the people who started this country though the people who pioneered and. You have to figure out how how the game works. You've gotTA figure it out because if you don't literally what's at stake I, have my house taken my cars taken, my kids would go hungry my wife would leave me like all these terrible things could happen. Yeah Or. Figure it out. Yeah, and you know that's that's the spirit in America that I love that is honestly spirited and it comes down to this idea and this is the thing. This is a big thing. Culturally right now is personal responsibility. And you know everybody wants to be part of a movement yeah and they want to fix something right and they wanna be part of what fixes something but the something that they wanna fix is outside of them. Right. So really they're talking they WANNA fix other people. That's what it boils down to. How well does that go for anybody? You know how well can you fix another person outside of yourself in other words how is pushing blame on everybody else and not accepting off responsibility worked for anything three, hundred, thirty, three, million people if they all did it. Work listen the the only like and we all fall into victim mentality. You know there's some times where things don't shake out our way. Everybody has had these periods of were something. You didn't have responsibility for had an impact on you externally and you're screwed. Excuse my language. But. You're in a bad and it's not your fault. But here you are. Now you've got to respond you can either like grumble. And then the kind of fall down that pit of despair victimhood him like blame other people for things or are. Say what can I do differently? What can I do better? and honestly that like there's a magic in that switch and you face it every day, you can face it dozens of times a day, and then over life you you have some big moments where you face this. But when you face that down and you realize like I'm the only one that can be responsible for me contains me the. Ankle everybody will figure that out differently to and at different times in their life Viktor Frankl who survived the Holocaust right and he he wrote a book man's search for meaning. I. In it, he comes to the conclusion and he kind of says, you know they could tell us when to eat when we couldn't eat when we could go to the bathroom when we couldn't go bathroom ultimately, we were told when we would live and we die we had no choice in all of these things we had one choice remaining. How would we respond? And he said, and he saw in the concentration camp people respond differently and the people who thrived and lived even in a concentration camp are the people who no matter what their choice of response was the respond with positively with looking at transcendent beauty like they would go outside and look at sunsets. Yeah. Just to see the sunset would remind them. There's hope because there's something greater right So how we personal responsibility is honestly if the country were to two. People were to all stop and say instead of like wanting the world to be like banning straws. Just don't throw your Straw. In the ocean if every single person that to that, we could have straws. Yeah. Everywhere. Plastic straws would not be a problem. It's the plastic straws in the problem. The problem is we're being heralded problem. Like the same argument you know Second Amendment People like the Lori lightfoot in Chicago saying there's too many illegal guns on the street and that's why the violence is so bad as well. You want to know what somebody in Evanston, which is a northern suburb that's pretty nice. Right they have the same ability to walk into a gun store and buy a gun as somebody on the south side even though you know gun guns are highly restricted inside Chicago and Illinois but. We don't have a gun problem. We have the same access to guns or more access to guns in some cases, and there's no. Culture, it's a personal problem like why is that person choosing to take that gun and shoot somebody with it? That's personal accountability. That's not the gun. And never. I mean. That's an issue that I don't ever budge on. So how do we here's the thing though we were talking about logic for some okay. So here's a very logical argument right and we can see it play out in people's lives like these. These great men who did great things. Early on in the industrial era right? Like Very Ford. For example, right who in was bat was bad in some moral ways. Yeah. But like great in some ways of things that he did for the country. And that he he did. What I, lost my train of thought there. Don't worry about I got because I started thinking about like. Go Logical Pass. Intense. World men now but but how do we take the stories of that? That are like these great things that happened in these logical conclusions that we said that happens from personal accountability and how do we relate it in a way where people are like man? That's cool. And I wanNA live that way versus how emotionally appealing it is to say these people out here are hosing me and the government needs to make them pay, and then when the government makes them pay, I need to be the recipient of that payment. So that my life is better because they're the ones that hosed me right in any particular. As, many arenas seem to make sure we're not. We're not insinuating anything here. are talking about a multitude of issues any like this is the that is the. That is the culture that we're living in right now is this victim like this here archy victims I mean you may have heard of critical race theory, right It's a worldview basically these layers of oppression. The most oppressive person is a straight white. SIS, gendered, Male, right you're the peak of oppressor and then it kind of works its way down until like you would be like. A black female trans. Right, and they're the most. Bizarre. All the layers. Well, it's not just an argument. It's actually a theory. It's in academia at right and The. The the idea is that this informs how the World Works So it's based on levels of victimhood. Instead of of levels of maybe someone's cognitive ability versus his social skills versus education level versus maybe when they grown a socioeconomic system and without the theory of moving up independently them because there's hierarchies and everything every you combine this. The current this is I get everything that like is getting pushed from the probably the farthest left. Yeah. culturally that's it's very appealing because it's very It's oriented towards justice for the oppressed groups, right and who'd. If you've got heart and you've got empathy and you see somebody who's gotten a non fair shaken life. They're just hosed right and in the US, we look at it within the US. But I mean, if you look worldwide I, mean there are people born into poverty and die before they even like had their first meal right? That is like the highest level of you know you think about in India, they have the class system, the untouchables like literally they're considered dirt. Delete right. So like if you have a heart and you see that like your heart goes out to that so good natured people like here this theory, this critical race theory and critical theory of these levels of pressure and you think, well, what can we do for these people who are oppressed, right? The problem is it's just all built. It's like a house of cards that was built by somebody an invented out of whole cloth and doesn't really exist are oppressed people. But there are people who are self oppressed. That aren't oppressed that think because they fit into this critical theory in a way then it shapes the way that they see the world and they think that they're a victim when really they have opportunity Galore. Head of them. especially, in this country especially in this, which is why I sat and then use personal accountability. You know not everybody's going to go from rags to riches. No. You know there will be people who go from rags rags, but there will be people go from richer eggs. Yeah. You know. But then you have stories like Ben Carson, right a guy who grew up in the project of Detroit to a single mother but some I mean God created him special right I mean we all have different gifts but one of his gifts was a great mind just an outstanding might. So he was able to just eat up educate in and became a neuro surgeon a world renowned neurosurgeon like separating conjoined babies that are conjoined at the head and like brain tissue overlap right? Like come on, right? He's doing that right? So He. He was able to rise from a pretty low spot up. Yeah. He was able to do that in the united. States. Because of the United States. The system is set up to allow for that. Yeah. Some people don't get as good of a a situation now. Well I use analogy. There's there's two things. One. You could play the game of poker poker is not about the Carter dealt. It's which get with those cards people can get totally crappy. Split. Fluffy out of a big pop maybe. You've seen it happen. If you ever watch the world series of poker see there's a guy and they're just they're just playing a crappy hand but the but the way the cards foul everybody else's like. He could probably beat me I'm going to fold. then. There's also some people like me when I used to play cards and gamble anymore. So I mean after bets far for fun. You Jeanette I suck at gambling lose money every time so I just say. I. Had a client one time there was. Oh God I can't think of it. She was a statistician. She's doctrine stance. I can't think of the name. Oh my God. The names Comey. But says, he's a statistician yet. So she's she was a blonde haired. she kind of she was really really intelligent here. This square four inches a real estate was. She can't spreadsheets she intentionally dressed a certain way. Wasn't she Someone that was going to be promiscuous, but she would play up the role. Yeah, and she could see the car won't Bom. She showed me her statue one time she hundred seventy thousand dollars a year just going to the poker room and only plane the best hands. The right way every time noble bluffing. Yeah. You have a system. Yeah. If you have a system, you understand how the game works you know Attitude. And especially like her like she played a role yet. Right? You know you've people have. Called our probability when she had when she had a bad hand, she was like. Okay. And that and you know and she and she wasn't much of a salesperson put. She knew what she was doing. Always increased her probability and I mean. So I started playing like that. And I never played a big money you know what? I mean. But I got on the poker room. And you catch one. I'll be like okay I got these cards. How much can I get out of it and that's really what she taught me. Yeah. Yeah, and I that's life and then when you fail Jackal Willing Guy Book I. Stream owners I have all his books I. Think when we first met. I. Was Reading his first book before anybody really knew who it was. I was put on by a bunch more marketing mortgage guys. Actually read his books and then on. So he has it'd be good good. If you feel good, you have an opportunity to find a solution. No more here in this country I posted something on my personal facebook page. I've never learned more than anything from failure. I'm a kinetic learner. I, use the audio and visual to get an idea, and then I go out in the quiet and you know that. Teaches you. Yeah, and so success and failure can teach. Kinetic. Learn. Yeah. I mean to fully grasp the concept because when I when I go connecticut after. Listen to audio visual. Then, the Hamam happens yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. So I need all three but really I can figure things out by doing them. I've tried so many different things. Ultimately figures out what engages me the most for my success. Because I have a certain skill set that works anywhere if I apply myself. But I WANNA play my. Found that I personally wouldn't find myself. The things are engaging. Yeah right and that's how I found myself back in the political realm. After. So many years off of it. Because I'm engaging. Yeah. So I have my career and then we're GONNA use this show to voice the voices in the conservative movement around Michigan. So well. So here's the thing. So you have one party back you have one party saying or one idea set because. I mean. The idea is. With the conservative movement, what you're seeing is, hey, guys, you have the ability and the freedom to go for it take some personal responsibility, apply yourself stay consistent persistent work your tail off don't bridges and. The best. Do the best you can do and see where the cards fall. You know and is the American way and then you have another one saying, hey, there's injustice which I think rings emotionally true with a lot of people and yeah, we hate everybody hates injustice right and a way to make injustice right is to see all these victims here we need to fix the system so these victims can get. A hand up and so then the people who are listening are like Oh. Yeah. Man I've been host and then are they going to like look inward see what they could do differently are they going to look outward for like somebody like do something and become part of a movement? So there's an emotional satisfaction to it, but it leaves people Kinda like high and dry. You know there's a lot of people who've. Won to come save them, but then government doesn't ever come. No, you're right. They were used for movement and to get people elected and for power centers. But that's that's the big argument when you see like all these cities that are on fire right now and all these injustices are happening. When you go look at these cities, what do you have? You've got democratic leadership at every level and not only that you know there was a big push like, oh It's all white men leading everything. Well, if you look at Chicago, you have a female lesbian black mayor you have a black Eiji. You've got a black chief of police like at every level of government. And They're the ones responsible for what's going on and they're still blaming. Others other things. It's the gun not the person using it. It's the it's the oppressors not the oppressed right but it's really what they're selling. Disabled people they're selling like it's other things. It's other people. It's not your fault don't worry. We'll fix these other people. They're the ones that screwed everything up it's it's been going on for so long you don't even realize you've been a victim, but you are, and it's like wait a second you're a black lesbian mayor of one of the biggest cities in the United States and the world like weird disadvantage you you know I mean you're telling people something that you live differently than you believe that you could do it and you achieved it. That is the American. Dream I. AM so glad you're there for all those reasons I'm glad you're there because you're selling crap to people because you don't believe it because look how you live you lived differently adjective promotion, and so this is the frustrating thing to see you know is is as the stuff's playing out, you see people kind of blaming all these things and then you look and it's like these powerful people all overcame a -posedly. Supposedly this like okay there was systemic systematic whatever racism in this country is a blight on our history. It's part of our it's part of our past. Don't these days. So Barack, Obama, gave a speech. Howard University get paid. I. Go going but he gave Senator Howard to the graduating class. What did he say did he say man I tell you what you should have been born in a different country in a different era because since you're black and in an America and graduating college right now you guys listen you're oppressed by. The St Systemic and systematic racism. No, that's not what he said the man who was elected. President of United States twice majority white country majority white voters you know like like like, okay. Here we I voted for him. Once he said, he said there is no better country and no better time to be a black person person of color graduating college because you live in the greatest country in history. For a person of color to make it. He said that I didn't see that but you said that your spinach speed. And that's the thing. I wish he would say that all the time because he lived it. That's what he did. He believed. Yeah, and he went for it and he achieved it. Why is it that other people? Why does he got to tell the people? It's the stacked against him. He winded it. Yeah. So he lives in a way and then he put politicises it in a different way why? Why? That's a question that? Motion but still the part that gets to me as like. He like, what is his? What is the motivation to somebody who has overcome everything? They said that other people can't overcome made millions and become very successful and telling other people the systems stacked against. You'll never make like Oprah did this recently and I'm like. Are you kidding me. You came from a really terrible place and you're worth like two point, six billion and the world loves you. And they don't care that. You're a black woman. They think you're awesome because you're super cool and who had a great talk show and you cared and you showed empathy and you did the best he did amazing things and you understood that there's people in less fortunate situations and you did what you could to help out too. I. Remember this because my mom used to watch oprah all the time. I mean I, mean I. Mean should I say you know the White Male genres But I. Honestly I love the show and of course, there's the whole you get to this. Like that whole joke. But honestly her shows, she would interview people and she would get to the heart of the matter and she would talk about real issues and she didn't empathetic sympathetic way and it was just. You Watch. Oprah and out of five days of the week you're gonNA. Cry Three or four those times I don't care who you are. I probably shouldn't have said that. But it's true. And that's why she made billions because everybody loved her because she was real. Yeah and why is she now telling people? They can't do that. That's sick. That's the thing that really bothers me and I. I. Don't know where that disconnect come from from that really troubles me but. Point she's like I believe in myself I can do tell people to believe in themselves and that they can do it and to go try their best and to take personal accountability for their success to show them the way show them what you did. Given the plan which you do everything. Your Business. Well that's a separate thing I noticed. But it's If we when people find the way if they come back. All right, I know some very, very motivational beautiful people who are just ordinary Americans but they're living like. They're really going for this is one particular Guy Okay I was a district manager back in for t mobile and I ran the south side of Chicago stores, not the not the immediate south side, but just south of the south side. So I still had some some stores that were in kind of neighborhoods that were rough. And this one guy had working for me. He would always say how he's going to be a millionaire. Yeah, right. So here he is. He's a he's a sales associate and a cell phone store talking about is GonNa. Be Millionaire but I knew like this are something different about this kid right? Like he he he is so motivated and he has to eat takes feedback like a champ. You know you know the difference like when you sit. Down and a coaching session with somebody and they're taking feedback while versus somebody who's like are we done yet? Can I go back like to sounds like you think I'm bad and I need to get better I'll do my best and then somebody going tell me more. What can I do? Then you see immediately they go out and they do that thing you told him do you. Wow this person. So. He was like that the dude is driving a he's still works t mobile I don't know why but he loves it. He's driving a Ferrari. His own. Yeah. Fully paid for. He has a Maserati fully paid for his wife has some awesome sweet pulley people. He bought a house in a really nice suburb fully paid for. I think he's like twenty-seven. baller he. Because he believed himself being you know he's always talking and here's the beautiful thing that I love that he does. He's like guys of work hard to get there and all along been telling you what I do every day I just go for it go for it every day but I'm I'm I'm now the way I'm going to get really really rich is by helping a bunch of you my show you what I did tell you about it did if you want to know how to do this. He holds public meetings. At libraries and other places where he talks about what he did this I mean honestly there are people like this beautiful and they're wonderful and they are the American dream and he did this coming from. The worst neighborhood on the south side of Chicago. The stopped you hear like is basically listen the Iraq war as far as how many people are getting shot and killed on a daily basis I mean it's it's bad. He came out he said I'll never forget where I came from, but he'll never go back and he doesn't know why people stay there but. That's a whole other thing that story is there are people in leadership that should be touting people like him saying believe in yourself and go for it, and like there are people who have paved the way follow them, seek them out, read their stuff, find them instead they're like, no, you know governments the answer we're GonNa fix this you're being oppressed you're a victim. What is that crap? They don't live at one pretext. To stay in power. I. Becomes. Their becomes very few options to why the stuff is. makes any sense power is one of them. Yeah. So the money yeah. Well, the our power. Brock Obama. When he came into office, he was worth a few million. Hundred and thirty million they just bought like a twelve million dollar house in the hamptons right on the ocean right in a primary that if the earth does warm in, there is flooding that's an. Wiped out. So there's like all these things but anyway, good for him. Priests that don't preach the other thing preach the hope not the not the fear and doom victimization crap so I I would say those people are the to say man, it's lonely at the top right and then there's people on the flipside it's only lonely at the top if you don't help other people get there. Yeah. Go back and help go back and honestly I find a lot more fulfillment. helping people learn how to facebook stuff that I do. Not. Like out of three hundred clients I. Probably Have Maybe Twenty that get it do it and like stick to it and killing it right. I have a bunch of people men. They tried it a little bit here and they're like Oh. This is hard or I'm not very good at it. They're still paying me monthly, but they're not getting the full value. Yeah. There's one guy he's like he went from doing. Nine million in total loans in two thousand, seventeen in two, thousand, eighteen, he did nine, point three and twenty, nine, hundred last year he twenty, seven, million, he tripled his business he tripled his business. He hit twenty, seven, million in two, thousand twenty. In. April. Hit. In April he had twenty seven, million production so you know assuming he's not just in. Were to show. Just, for anybody else decide. That that isn't focused on the lone officer real estate space. Let us do with a Bare Minimum Commission in ten ninety, nine situation. What did he start at? Nine, million and production, and so ably around a one percent. Yeah. Zach number. Say about ninety thousand dollars and he took it up to two hundred seventy, thousand dollars in two years. To three years within a year. No 'cause the two years I said the nine and night those are the two years before we started with. Okay. He's he he signed up with me in December of two thousand eighteen. Yeah and he started in January of Twenty one thousand nine hundred full force. Yeah. So by the end of two, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, seven, million. Two hundred thousand assuming doesn't have any branch manager or any extra spoofs involved. So. Yeah. So he actually he became the number one units in his company. In a year. I went third year end. He was the number one in total units I believe in it was unbelievable. He said he sent me the email. He's like, John I just want to thank you so much I got this recognition from my company and I can't even believe it and I couldn't have done it without your course and I was like he just went and got it. He got after it but you know I've got you know. Not. Everybody does that. So there's something unique and special about him the way he went after it and you know we utilized it. Yeah, absolutely. So. You know we're GONNA. Have you back on the show? I love the fiery. I. Never really talked politics before we've talked about life talking about. Life Family Business Business Philosophy. In so yeah. So we didn't even get into world views and I wanted to talk to you because the government is supposed to be act for the good of the people. What is good yeah. What is good? Hey, well. Reason to have you back next week Detroit uncensored we'll have. A. Livingston County Clerk candidate. Democrat Jordan Jonjo on the show personal friend of mine llandough will be back. We'll have johnny back on the show. Thanks for coming in today. I appreciate it for inviting me. It was a blast. I loved it. Awesome. We'll talk to you soon rabbit up seeing.

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SMNTY's Female Firsts Playlist, Episode 9: Harriet E. Wilson

Stuff Mom Never Told You

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SMNTY's Female Firsts Playlist, Episode 9: Harriet E. Wilson

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Save my life on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. The VANI and Samantha and welcome Stefan never told you production of iheartradio. Time for another female for gay. We are joined once again by our friend and CO worker. I have returned the best of the so glad. You're ever really side. You have a leftist yet. Yes, always a fun time when we get. US In the studio you know having one more person right? Add to the conversation that they like easy soothing monotone. Yeah, I actually have a weird thing where I like I'm not into. Or anything, but there's certain youtube videos I watched. That are scary, but they're delivered in such a way that I. Just like Oh. Yes, this horrible thing happened. So there is just delivered is the delivery and Tony. Talking about horrible thing, not necessarily horrible thing because It's not like true crime. It's more go citing isn't that one dude has a really weird. Talking to I love. This oddly satisfying. I read it. I can get frustrated real quick because all right I'm just GonNa read it because he seems very cool. Dude, I don't know if it's the same do. Like I got it because it's not building up to the. Opposite of what you see like the ghost is here. Look showed up and there it is. It. Do you believe it? And then it's like these are things that a lot of people would agree like just didn't happen and. Obviously happy right? Obviously, there was a flying saucer. A discrepancy in that at all. I mean sure I'm you? Started like watching them and I'm thinking man I'm just GonNa. Have to turn the volume down and just read it I'm just GonNa read it and go back and look at it. Oh, that's interesting. Because I know some people will write in, and they'll say in the most complimentary I think they truly mean as a compliment. Your Voice puts me to sleep and I'm like a cool. Great. I mean if you. have. Your Voice You have a very nice voice. Thank you. Had that radio Voice. You think so I've always been very self conscious about my voice honest especially when I was younger, because I thought that my voice was deep. Yeah, and I'm like well. It was nothing I ever had a real sort of like feelings around, but like I would think it from time to time. Yeah I think our. All of our voices are fairly deep, not usually more soothing tone definitely been. Voice which freaked me out a little bit because like dude. Any is he's usually dudes. Down about so creepy to me I. Don't know what to do with you, but to be fair like. Idris Elba. If he was here, it'd be like just talk to me. I can fall asleep to your voice, but that's just me I. Don't know but yeah. No, I think like the smooth let not necessarily are nunciature of that, but just the tone because see that. All right can be late night. Radio. Solve Rock. I'm here to take. Perfect well anyway, we'll are nice deliveries. We have an amazing it person. Today Who did you bring for us today? We'll be talking about Harriet e Wilson. Who was an author in the nineteenth century, so she was the first black woman to publish a novel, and she made, she did the first novel published by a black person in the United States so there was a tale, which was a book by William. Wells Brown, who was a black man, which was the first novel published by an African American period, but that was published in London in eighteen, fifty three, and it didn't come to Boston until eighteen sixty four, so they're those caveat. Obviously, there's a history of. Of like who was the black person to do this? And what was the label for this and the woman and they were African American, but we're. Did it happen so obviously when we have first, we have all these other I are surround that single I sight, so that was another one of them, but it was also period e Wilson's novel, and it was called our Neagh, and we'll talk about that obviously a lot and today's episode, but it was possibly the first novel by a person of African descent in all of north. America and we'll get to this later on as well teaser teaser. There was another woman in Brazil who was of African. Descent who also published a novel and at the same time there are two names are mentioned together a lot of the time like a little bonus. Oh, about just just light slide. Really not not too much. A shout out just a shadow. I love it again. Context so important these first three. Very glad that that you bring that. When you bring these, I'm dry. You do love it. We do so. There's not a lot of information out there on here at e Wilson and we'll talk about the discovery process of the book because for a long time. It wasn't known she wasn't known about. It wasn't known that she was a black woman. It wasn't known that she was the author of this book. and it's in our very recent history that we figured all this out. We say we figured anything out. When I say, we say other people who are like professionals and stuff and do-. Dollar ship and all those fancy things. But yeah, so a lot of what we do know about her. Though is through the things that those historians and scholars have collected about her life, but those things are still very few, and far between and a lot of what has been pulled out of it has been kind of like this corroborate between what happened in the novel, which is assumed to be autobiographical, and then what happened according to records that are kept that have been kept of here e- Wilson, but and and so she was somebody that has been on my list for a long time who I wanted to talk. Talk about obviously because I'm interested in literary things and I was in this space where I was just thinking. What am I going to talk about about her? Because there isn't so much known about her life in the stuff that we say did happen may not be the case where just deducing those things from the information that we do have, but then I thought about it and I was like well. She's probably the person I need to talk about the most because that's going to happen so frequently. It's like well. We don't know anything about. There was already so much span where. Bush wasn't talked about at all because we didn't know who wrote a right and she wasn't getting credit for it. Wasn't giving credit for it, and so now for me to say Oh because there's not that much information about her. I don't know if this can fill a whole amount of time, does such a disservice to her legacy to her honor and to everybody who cares about literary history and women's history and just learning that. Hey. You know it's okay for us to speak about. It's good for us to discuss these people who have been such a integral part of the history, but also there isn't that much known about them, and that's okay, right? Yeah I completely agree. And I struggled with that for a while. Because there. There'd be topics I wanted to talk about. and. I just want to read everything about them, and it would be so hard to find. Credible information, but I didn't want that to stop. US, from talking about those things and you can I think there's a conversation to be had, and it's worth having around why? That information isn't there right yes. Yes, ooh! Conversation especially when it comes to. How much was not documented? And it's also it's interesting to think about that kind of documentation and then. What Harriet Evil was actually talking about in her book. She was talking about life as a free black person, pre-civil war, and so just how much of her in her actual life documentation did it happen? But in thinking about the idea of slavery, the institution of Slavery, and how many families were documented or documented incorrectly, and what labels were given to people like Mulatto. So I just think it's interesting to think about how we today. Have gathered and think about her documentation, and then what she was actually talking about in her novel, our Neagh rates and It's kind of astounding. I mean that it's recent as you said recent discovery. So! History you never know who you'll find so yeah I'm excited. Brings out the point. How many things have we lost like? Do, we not know? Would this small discovery had this not been a coincidental moment of Oh and then putting of course putting all that hard work putting it together at the same time. Look at what we probably have missile you've got. You have to wonder what vast amounts of conversations and then all kind of history. What was documented? What wasn't because also at that point? In time, education was not offered to everyone as we know. And equality was far from happening for anybody, except for white men was just be really honest. Kind of familiar, but not that's extreme in talking about also her separation and I know you're going to go into it. I'm excited about it, but the difference between the south in the north. At that point in time is also kind of like. It wasn't as great as you think. Oh Yeah I think that's a myth. That's been busted a lot history for a lot. Lot of people at least I know that my education coming up. When it came to US history was very limited, and didn't talk about a lot of things are provide context for a lot of things that was related to black life in in America and in the field that we are in media and the things that we think about as feminist is just. We understand living in the south. You know there's nothing. There's nothing that beats experience. I've been thinking about a lot lately so we actually live in the place that so many other people look at from the outside and say this is how it is this this land of like you know all the misconception self and also accurate perceptions of the south, but that have more nuance and that so in the case of what Harriet e Wilson Touch on in her book, and we're about to go through the whole story, but yes, that's a great point to bring up in the beginning, because just to lay the groundwork for this conversation is that? Sure there's a north south in terms of geographical boundaries that we create our have literally artificially created, but there is some like. Artificial boundaries, but contractually still. Actual boundaries between the north and the south because of the way that the colonies were divided in the way that. Civil war. Yada Yada Yada. This is not that kind of a lesson today. The point of this is to say that. It wasn't a clear definition between these people in the south fought for this, for this reason in the south was holy incompletely. Racist in the North was holding completely, not racist. Right like that's not how it was white abolitionists in the north If we go back to the days of when you know, there was the back to Africa movement, the reasons, the different reasons that people had for wanting black people to go back to Africa was not just for them to have a better life, a lot of the people who want it. Free Black people to go back to Africa to go to Liberia to go over there to the continent of. Africa was because they didn't want them in. They don't want them in the US. And so there's just nuance like yes, so, and that's one of the big things about her book are negative and how it was different from so many other stories that were being told at the time of slavery. Yes, let's get in. We've done a lot of talking about like what it's about, but I feel like I need to give. The actual story, a lot of build up work. You're expecting this to be so amazing and trust me. It's amazing in the sense that it's literary history, but it's not like the greatest. The most happy story. All right. Here, we go our Neagh is the name of the book and the full title is our big or sketches from the life of a free black in a two story White House north, showing that slavery shadows fall even there, and that's my favorite part of the title so in that slavery. Shadows fall even there because that shows that awareness that she had of. Of these misconceptions about the north like how people thought that shadows, it's a great word Yeah how people thought that that was a place that wasn't affected by the brutal atrocity of everything, the whole history of enslavement and racism in the United States so the book is accepted as being autobiographical like I said earlier, but it's also works within the space. Space of the sentimental novel, which was a thing at the time, and then also references, the conventions of the nineteenth century slave narrative, which was also thing that happened a lot, and it's been argued also that the text is often satirical, so I've seen people write about you know how it's. It is autobiographical, but we must recognize I think this is a great. Great Point to bring up, we must recognize evil sins power as a storyteller that she wasn't just person who was writing is my life and I'm just. GonNa put it on the page like she was actually thinking about semantics. What the context of things that she was talking about the story? She was trying to tell how she was telling it in the. Artistic Way you know. She was also a storyteller. He wasn't just like I'm putting my life on the page, so the book was published on September. Fifth Eighteen fifty nine. And in the preface there's a very short preface and the beginning of the book. Wilson says in his just credited as hew in this part, but this is what she says rights. Deserted by kindred disabled by failing health I am forced to some experiment, which shall eighty me and maintaining myself in child without extinguishing this feeble life, and so she goes on to say I have purposely omitted what most provoke shame in our good anti-slavery France at home, and she goes on to acts her quote colored brethren to support her and purchase her book, so she could support her child, and we will see the same story in the text of the novel itself and so. That was kind of a call to action or call for help on her part. Saying I need you to read this book. I need all the people who support me and defend me. I'm going to censor myself essentially. Saying some in some aspects, but I need to support me, so that I can help my child May, and that is so that is a way to begin book. Yeah, Oh, yeah. I love. Start with the called accident right away. Put it right up. FRY and I'm sitting here thinking. Go through this conversation in my head so much like what am I creating my work for like? What am I writing for? And I like struggle with this so much, and then I see something like this and like she was doing it, so she can have her child. Take tell them like what everything that I'm doing just like doesn't matter. It's not true, but like I like seeing stuff like this. It just helps me put into perspective like why am involved in the artistry that I am involved in in and the struggles, and just how interesting it is that she was creating art, but she was also also utility aren't in utility at the same time was very honest, and that's what makes it like heartbreakingly beautiful very honest like this is why I'm doing this. Not only am I going. Going to say this and I'm going to leave some of the bad parts out because it's not going to be sellable. She knew that if I don't leave some of you know I, don't censor myself a little bit. As well as please understand I'm doing this out of need like it's kind of almost like. Hey, this is not just for my own fame is. There's a reason for this well, it's like she was almost like her own PR person. Her own media training for herself. She was like I know, but I need to say to make sure that I get people on my side. What I don't need to say, so I'm going to say those things. I am GONNA. Say those things and I'm GonNa do what I can to see if I can get the support that I. Need from people who don't know. Unfortunately that did not happen, right? So. We'll get to that when we get to the story of her life. We have some more of our conversation. But I we have a quick break for word from our sponsor. Okay so a recent study found that a great hair day makes you happier more confident, but that same study also revealed that ninety five percent of women don't feel great about their hair. I can definitely relate to the confidence part because my hair is doing something. 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But they make her work as this kind of indentured survey and they call her our big. They call her our league, and so Ms Belmont and her daughter Mary are basically the light they abuse Prado and just like terrible people physically and psychologically abusive and her living conditions are unhealthy. fritos are in the rest of the family is complicit because they're basic? They basically sit back and say nothing like they give her a little bit of. Egging on and their supportive in a way, but they don't actually do anything to help freight situation right when day miss, Belmont Hits Frito on the head for not bringing would back quickly enough. And so frago stands up for herself and refuses to be beaten again, and she does get a little bit of encouragement in that way from the family who who tells her like. Hey, you can stand up for yourself but there's only some y'all know a lot about stories. There's only so much you can like. So much you can give to the person who was like hey. You can stand up for yourself as well. frito actually has to take the action of standing up for herself, not really going to. I mean right. You've seen so much has happened already right? Over the next year per servitude, Frito is not threatened again with that intensity of violence, and her servitude ends when she's eighteen, so just think about how young she was when all this is happening. She was a child when she was abandoned, was still a child, and when she was a servant and was. Still a child when she was being abused and just imagine the amount of even in this fictional tale you know thinking that is also autobiographical. Given take. We don't know how exactly how much is taken and given, but just that happens so young like she's not. You're still not finished developing. How's your formative years? Yeah, it's like developing life viewpoints and understandings of how the world works. Yeah, and she left at that point when she had basically nothing, and she was in very poor health and. A Christian woman. Named, Mrs, Moore Takes Her in and teaches her how to make Straw hats, and so she began supporting herself Rato does with that skill, but soon a guy walks into her life. A black man named Samuel and they get married, and he makes a living giving. He makes living giving speeches about his life of enslavement. That did happen right right. He's never been to the south and. He does garner the supportive abolitionists, so I mean how you live I guess. Played I game, yeah! The marriage wasn't win. And FRITO ended up giving birth to a son and a poorhouse and Samuel shows up in her life and leaves again and eventually Freida found out that Samuel has died. So. FRITO is in poor health is unable to support her child on her own, so she has to put her child in foster care. She starts writing her story in story. Hoping that the story is successful enough to make money to take care of her child. so we see the parallel already. That's already been established. And that's basically how the story her appeal to people saying hey helped me. Is some symmetry there, yeah. A lot of symmetry at least. Don't WanNA is kind of I'm trying to think the or a boroughs like the snake eating the tail, like because a lot of yes a lot of symmetry, but it's like a lot of symmetry was pulled from the story itself to Right. There are some facts that were about to. Dig into our some inferences that we're about to dig into from that have been learned and collected by scholars about her actual life so. Our negative self was unlike other slavery era stories, because it wasn't about southern slaveholders, just being the like villains of the story. Instead it was about northerners who were abolitionists who were? Committing atrocities and it went mostly unnoticed after it was released, and it took over one hundred years for it to come back into the public sphere and to our recognition, but you know there are some ideas about why that may have happened. That could be because it touched on polarizing things like interracial marriage. It could be because it depicted the racism of northern white folks, and it also could be because people thought that Wilson was white before we found out that who she was. And Yeah. It's hard to tell the extent to which the book was based on her life and what she made up. but it is widely considered to be largely autobiographical. So onto. Wilson's life itself now that we've covered with the story is about in broad strokes. Though a lot of things have evolved over time with us, understanding more about her life and Gathering more documents, obviously as these things work. She was born here at atoms in Milford New Hampshire in March of eighteen, twenty five, and she was possibly born to a black man, named Joshua Green and white washer woman named Margaret and name was Hattie after her father died, and her mother abandoned her parallel with the story. When she was a child, she left, she was left to become an indentured servant with Nehemiah Hayward. Hayward family his wife was Rebecca. Hutchinson and they came from a pretty well off family with China Senate. She Harry left the Hayward's when she was eighteen. Parallel but this story. She was import health at that time, and she started working for other white families and one woman taught her hat making skills. And in eighteen fifty one, she married a lecture named Thomas Wilson, who pretended he? Escaped and in his lectures in his speeches, he decried the horrors of slavery, but he told here that. Hey, I wasn't ever enslaved. They had a son George. Mason will send who was born in eighteen, fifty two. He was born in a poor farm in an unhealthy environment. but not long after that Thomas left the family, and here it was still ill and impoverished, so she left her son with white foster parents and wrote to earn money. And time will soon died at sea human off to see. And Harriet at that point, likely traveled around Massachusetts and New Hampshire working as a seamstress, a servant or selling hair products that she did have hair product line when she came out with. And she started writing our league for the same reasons. You know I copyrighted our unique. In August, eighteen, fifty nine. It was published by George, C rend and Avery in Boston the next month. So Harriet son died of fever less than six months after our nick was released when he was only seven years old. And that was the thing that happened like people died from fever back then, and we already talked about the kind of conditions they were. Living in the greatest conditions so. Yeah in the early eighteen sixty S, she worked as a servant for some time, and she became involved with the spiritualist movement, which if you're not familiar with the spiritualist movement And this is not offering any. Anti knows all about. Movement I don't know about you Samantha. I? Know anything to horror thing. To though yeah. This level. Up there I just WanNa say any spiritualist listening I don't always. I'm just thinking like. It comes with a cold. Yes, all those types of things. In, the Ram of the things that you like are paying attention to yes, absolutely a fair assessment. because. The movement was based on this belief that. There were spirits of the day, and that people could communicate with spirits of the dead and mediums often people who could communicate with spirits of the dead I know. We've seen a black and white photos of people around the table and heard about all like fake things that happened the people. Yup, that was the spiritualist movement and see Harriet. Herself was described as A. A medium in contemporary documents she gave lectures sometimes entranced in those lectures in Massachusetts New Hampshire. Maine and Connecticut and the involvement in spiritualism continued for years and years for instance she speaks at the fourth annual spiritualist Camp Meeting Massachusetts at one point, she was also involved in the formation of Children's Progressive Lyceum, which were essentially the spiritual version of Sunday schools for children allow. Out that eighteen seventy s into eighteen ninety, she's listed as a trance reader and lecturer and worked as a housekeeper at some point during that time in eighteen seventy. She married John Gallatin Robinson in Boston. So in one, thousand, nine hundred. She is described as a nurse at the home of the COBB family in Quincy Massachusetts and that year that same year she dies in the hospital in Quincy. And she died of what was listed as in addition, which basically means exhaustion from lack of nourishment. And, she was buried in the top family plot. So that's not everything that we've. Deduced about her story from documents and the novel, but that is a large overview, her her story, and honestly a lot of what we know. So that is yeah. That's but the other part of this larger story that her story is contained in is the rediscovery are uncovering or recovering or whatever you WanNa? Call it. The. Novel itself our negative self to be the work of a white author, but there is the book that people thought was the first novel by African American woman before we found out about big I. Aleve Leroy or shadows uplifted, and that was Bhai Frances Ellen Watkins Harper, and that was released in eighteen, ninety two, which was much later than we figured out now, our nick was written. In the early nineteen eighties, historian and critic Henry Louis Gates. Junior which I'm sure a lot of people are familiar with because he has like very public facing historian, and like does a lot of research on. History people, families, histories and lineages and stuff like that. and. He found a copy of it in a bookstore. And he found evidence that the author of the book was a black woman who lived in Milford New Hampshire before the civil war. And so really Oh. You know this is up ending things that we thought we knew about this literary history, and who was a part of it. And so he and his colleagues many people. Gates was the only one to star uncovering stuff about her, and there was a scholar named Barbara a white who also looked into community records. In Milford to learn more about Wilson's life, those were publishing records that was since his information and the death certificate listed her son as black, and that helped confirm that his mother Harriet was a black woman. And Her authorship of the book itself. And so nineteen eighty three gates published version of our nick, and that's kind of when it came back into. Our. So. It came back into part of the conversation we were having about who. was part of the early history of black authorship in the United States in America's. Gates has called the book a complex response to Uncle Tom's cabin. And novelist and poet Alice Walker has said of discovery quote. Set up most of the night reading and pondering the enormous significance of Harriet Wilson's novel our Neagh, it has if we just discovered Phillis Wheatley or Langston. Hughes who are obviously other big names and the history of poetry and the literary tradition and the US. And ever since then you know she's been something a lot more. scholarship and conversation has been around, and even in April of two thousand and three the Harriet Wilson. A project was formed in Milford, New Hampshire, which is a resource that you can go to. Learn. What else is out there about her? And it was formed to raise awareness about her life and her work and organized local conversations discussions of Wilson's work, and they commissioned the creation of a memorial statue to her. So yeah. That is a lot of what we know about her life. That is a little bit about the context around. The uncovering of the book and The legacy of that is just how. First of all. We're learning more about who did what right so before that. We thought that a black woman didn't publish something in English. That is important part of this. English and then us before eighteen, ninety two, I think it was and. That's the case and is just like that kind of information is consistently coming out and we were just learning about that in early nineteen eighties. Leaves for us to think about. What else is uncovered and not only that her work was also just so unlike other stories that were being told in that realm at the time, and was pretty bold and meaningful. I think it's interesting that it was meaningful to her life like so deeply because it was connected to financial hardship and her own personal hardship and something that she needed. To do for herself. I can only imagine what her thought process was I can't I'm. I'm not a spiritualist so right. I cannot communicate with the debt, but. I can only imagine that like. She really needed to get this story down on paper. Even there was some other sort of purpose behind it beyond. Just needing to take care of her side, which was a big deal, but It was. She was telling a story that not many other people as we know it. Today were telling a way. She was framing it in a way. That was original like saying. Hey, the people in the north do this to right and is more powerful because because it was her story. And told through vehicle of. Fictional artistry so it's really interesting legacy to me. Yeah That is the kind of intersection there of. I I know a lot of people when they think of artists, they think of traditional starving artists move to la does all that thing, but there is. Sometimes I think some people just feel like this need. I have to share this story. It's important and also. I have a financial need and. I have like a child, and all those things coming together. To give it. A. Very important story that needed to be told, and all of these things happen to coincide with that and make it happen. Yeah, it does feel like a conspiring doesn't hit a the kind of conspiring like all these things conspire to have. Gates find it and bring it back into our awareness and. A long time like one hundred fifty years that that's a long time But at the same time. It's not too long because it happened. We got. We got the opportunity to learn about her life because. It took so long. Because you know now we're sitting here. We're able to talk about it because it was that story of her life and of her creation of the work was able to. Come back to our awareness so I. It's definitely a good thing. So we do have a little bit more for you, but we're GONNA pause for one more quick break for word from our sponsor. Okay, so a recent study found that a great hair day makes you happier more confident, but that same stay also revealed that ninety five percent of women don't feel great about their hair. I can definitely relate to the confidence part, because if my hair is doing something. A little weird something I don't want to do then I can't stop thinking about it the rest of the day Alma Guy. We've all been there. Paintings. Rosewater collection feels and smells amazing. An comes with deep treatment that leaves your hair pedal soft. 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She wrote the first novel by Brazilian woman and the name of that novel was or Salah. It depicted life under slavery in Brazil, and it was also published like our neg eighteen, fifty nine and that work, maybe the first non autobiographical work of narrative fiction by a woman of African descent in the Americas how? Super Interesting because obviously, this is about survival for her none of this necessarily, yes, she has an outlet and obviously she was. A creative and when you go from being just servitude to see was she was addressed maker. Retire one point. Interest. And then. So, she was a dressmaker to actually writing a book to becoming a medium, slash spiritualist, who taught children and it was said that she was teaching white children point in time, which seemed to be significant at that point two six. He is a true survivor in the most creative ways that you could think of that, those are not things. I would have put together in one individual. You know what I mean, and then also knowing that she wrote this book on a scale of okay. This is my story. I can't say too loudly because people not might not respect if they are to tragic, even though it's fairly tragic. In the book, and in talking about the fact, that also in her will live, there are actual abolitionists around her various that correctly. Yeah y'all doing all these things to free the slaves. That's great and all, but I'm in here. Suffering and no one really cares happening I. Mean Yeah is for perspective is like there are a lot of different types of oppression, right? And Yeah, so. While Is really interesting that she was pointing out how awful it was. And to be in the north at that time. It's like that that there was no clear division of. Just because black people were in the north and they were free doesn't mean that they were free from a Russian. So, put simply and. Yeah I. Just I I agree with you her life. She was very resourceful, obviously very. Persistent. because. There was a lot of hardship in her life, but also her life and I try to do this a lot when I think back about especially about. Black people or oppressed peoples general's lives on when I talk about them, not talking about them solely in the way we're sight. Their oppression or hardship defined their stories, but. It was a part of her story. That was a big part of her story. That was that really determined a lot of the ways in which she had to move right. Which is I writing this book But at the same time it's clear that she was still able to have a love for life was still able to participate in the spiritualist movement because it probably wasn't something that was. Like it wasn't a thing. She lived for a while great, but like it was something that was clearly fulfilling for her. and emotionally beyond just like it being a financial boon to hurry. So I do love to think about how skilled she had to be across so many different areas, but also house. He's still made room for. Self fulfillment right? Yeah, I think that's super important that we don't remember people as just like this one dimension this thing. I was very fascinated with her spiritual stuff. I was like what this thing I was like is this. Just make this up because it seems so out of like left filled to me that I was like wait would just talking about it in our winchester seven, because that's one of the reasons. She moves and built the houses because she went. she was like the ghost of everybody that's died by the winchester rifle. They're mad at you. History. Accent you gave to that has been. Very Ghoulish. Beautiful Cinnamon. Talking about doing the creating the candles, and all for the children for the children I'm like Oh. Wow okay. I, wonder what that actually looks like in the nineteenth century to sit down back to. Teach you about. Spiritualism them in communicating with the dead, which by the way yes, that is the beginning of a lot of horror movies I also want to say it's really funny to me, anyhow, Careful you are of offending the spiritualist because I don't really know I. Mean I don't really know. Listener listening to this episode right? Yeah, we're. Could. Be Listening from. Say, they They, claim her rule hard like I found some information on the sites and they claiming. They love what she did. The, great part of their history, so yeah maybe. Yeah I, find it funny, and he's definitely like I don't want them coming out. I I will say that. This is not a value judgment on what she did or thought. If, you know me personally. Very into history also very into so. So there's a room for all of those things. And we're not judging anybody. Fascinating to go. We're not just saying we're not judging the lovely Harriet e Wilson for participating in those things. It's just a part of her story. That must be told and. It's interesting part of our story. I think it's lovely part. We forget that time. In spiritualism was really being civil wars well, because so many people died, and and people want to. Find some kind of closure with their loved ones and I think we just forget. That with all of our. kind of modern technology and understanding and figuring out how things work. How frightening it must have been I often think about this but disease. We just didn't know what was causing things and you were trying to like okay. Maybe it's that maybe this thing and. So it is again context always important I guess I'd never really put those two things together the timeframe to be honest, because unlike historically I'm just looking at things, historically and moving on, and you see events and move on, but yeah. I guess that's kind of what happens. That makes sense because you need an answer. You need to know why what was the purpose, but at the same time? Yeah, because it's also dramatized for us now, movie goers and all of that. Yeah, that is kind of like you do. Put It on a separate realm. Oh, this is in movies and this isn't this. To see it in context to actual person, I'm like Oh. Wow, oh, wow, okay. That's cool like that's how this happened can look at a specific instance of a life understand how a person can move. Get to that point, but yeah and the experts are that book were really really well written our dialogue, and there's only I I did not read the book. I'm not. GonNa take claim to. To that, but I definitely read parts of it and I'm like wow, she did. She really put into a lot of thought of or was able. She was just talented period, because I'm not really good at dialogue in any general writing, but like the have be able to read that and being like yeah, I can definitely see that moment. She did a fantastic. Yeah, it really good at visualizing. Power creating images for people to try to understand and empathize because I imagine that empathy was a big part of this as a lot of people because she wanted people to help our people to read the book in such a urgent way. Reason yeah, right and to write that book. where she like time and place, she existed ooh! Hoo I need a writing schedule. I'm going to get up at five thirty in the morning. Like I'm working this. I'm going here. I'm doing this I'm also I'm not in the greatest health amock writing my book the whole time. And I'm like. Are they going to sleep and stay in bed until six thirty day? Well with Aga obstacles of that time to six thirty, because that makes me feel back. Talk about that talk. Late. And I do think one thing. I wanted to mention before we end. I do think like the fact that it was rediscovered and uncovered is. Exciting in some ways in some ways sad and other ways. What I'm meaning say but. We've before about wikipedia. 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The Great Gildersleeve 50-06-14 (371) Vacation Plans on the House Boat

Yesteryear Old Time Radio

29:50 min | 3 months ago

The Great Gildersleeve 50-06-14 (371) Vacation Plans on the House Boat

"Roy Thrived. Kraft Foods company makers of Craft Quality Foods Presents Herald Perry as the Great Gildersleeve. The Great Gildersleeve is brought to you. By the Kraft Foods company makers of the One and only Miracle Whip Salad dressing. Here's a really different kind of salad dressing with a really different labor, downright appealing Miracle Whip is not too sharp and yet not two miles. It has adjusted exactly right flavor. Folks really go for. Taste Miracle Whip Yourself. Let your family enjoy it on a cool and colorful salad. Don't agree with the millions of folks who preferred delightfully different Miracle Whip. Well. The great diller leave had spring fever today. He was moving around the office about as fast as Leroy's turtle. But things began to pick up for the water commissioner when the mayor asked him if he'd mind taking his vacation right away. Do I mind? Bronco he got a lot of children. Where is everybody? Yes Leroy where Marjorie bridegroom. Swing the Hammock, I put chuck it. Nine lovebirds. Loveridge needed Swingley Roy. Ask Me those Tunisia CAIG. I'll leroy. Let's go out and talk to them. I'm taking my vacation this year the last two weeks in June young. Where are we going on? Let's talk it over with minds being Bronco. Too I just got back off. A high more Leroy honeymoon is vacation. On Bartholomew take corrupt. There's a difference LE-, right? Honeymoon is without paying a vacations with pay. Ask Liquor, the newlyweds squeaking in the HAMMOCK. Yes. You Go. I, need a vacation from that lovey dovey stuff. Makes you a little kid nutty, WANNA grow not. Listen to. His Wonderful Bronco Dialing. Personal in the world I've got you know March Darling. I'm the luckiest. I've got you. I'm the luckiest. Milwaukee is. They'll both be lucky if that'll hammock break. And Marjorie anyway. I'm the happiest person in the world. What did I tell you? Right beside him, and they don't even see us. Love is blind. Just a little bit right. Marjorie Bronco Children. Leroy. Gildersleeve Anti. Swaying in the handling yes, I noticed. I thought I'd come out and talk to you about vacation. Last two weeks and you owe that wonderful without being a couple of days. I'm a fast worker in a fast vacationer. How about a bronco can you take the time off from the real estate business? Well I'll ask the voice. How `Bout boss Okay Rocco. Thanks Lawsuit Kissy Misery Gillers leave. I'm my own boss. Brother. Very Good Bronco, very, good. I can see. This is going to be a great vacation. Oh. Yes, sir margin I already. I made a little money off you in the jolly boys when I told you that houseboat. Sleep. Where we going on. Are we going to rent a cabin in the mountains again? How about a dude rich like the bar twenty take it easy hoppy. We've had some very heavy expenses year. The wedding you know, yeah, that sent you back. Mr Gildersleeve well. I've been thinking. We might vacation on the houseboat on the phone. We can cruise down the river and stop whenever we. Have our own private riverboat. Just like huckleberry Finn. Mystery Gildersleeve. You've gotTA. Dandy idea there does sound like fun ongky. Bronco, we can stroll on the deck in the moonlight. Dealers will be on the bridge, Smoking Guy Catching taxpay- shop for poop deck. That's right. Mr Gildersleeve who's GonNa. Cook the meals me? WHO's breakfast, lunch and dinners? You would think of that growing husband well for two weeks. I guess I could cook I'm gone. took. My cooking is that bad? Of course it is my dear, but why don't we play safe and take Birdie? Good idea, not I don't think you couldn't do it. March Darling, but we're still on our honeymoon. A born diplomat and Well, it's all set then. We'll vacation on the houseboat. Have you talked to the other Gibe? Just got the idea I'll tell peavy in the fellows about it tomorrow. Right George. This is the most wonderful idea I ever had. Whatever Johnny boy you wanted! To Leroy. They'd never think of that now. Hello, PD Metrics. Do you this morning where you can just listen I. Want to tell you about a great idea. I have an young chain. You Bet PV that's coincidental. Thing. I just had nine them out. Gary Area I. Tell You Mine He. Thinks. He's the only one that can have an idea. I was just telling the little family. PBR, you're listening to me right everywhere. I was telling little family about. PB ABOUT MIND YEAH PD listen to me. I'm the customer. Customer you buy him. Well, I'M NOT GONNA. Buy Anything they live, and you can listen to my idea. My goodness I was telling Mrs Peavy wish you spend our vacation on the houseboat. That's fine, peeved family and I had. The houseboat. That's my idea. I said I. All right. When do you plan to use the houseboat wound? And anais aren't read cruise the last two weeks August after the mosquito season. A lot more interfere with my plans. A bit I'm going before then so is the judge what? Now Good Morning Guy. Down the hatches. We're expecting a blow. Seagoing old goat. Horace. What's this about you using the houseboat your vacations by? Just talking to the chief it the chiefs in on this, too. Yes, he wants the vote the last two weeks in July. Oh, I'm taking it the first two weeks. I still leaves the last two weeks June for me, no. You wouldn't flights vocal pilot Dan Floyd? Now wait a minute. Why didn't you jolly boys? Discuss this thing with me. I'm the President President as doesn't have to know everything. You've failed to attend our last meeting Mr President. You prefer to go romancing with Miss Milford. Why take a Busman's holiday? We never dreamed the water. Commissioner wanted to take his vacation on the water. All right judge by George I'll take this up the next meeting. Saturday night and I'll be there. Meeting Johnny Boys Tonight. That's right Leroy. Think we'll get to use the house vacation honey we will. Boy I've got to do is convince him that the president should use the houseboat I. Think. Floyd Munson the barber. Why don't you tell them to let you go first real? Quick Getting haircuts I will gladly. Leroy, not letting your hair grow long. Cover my ears. Don't tempt me. John. Birdie, you think we're going to get to say on schedule. I called the meeting tonight. Ready the fresh thing out. Then I, show up nobody goal. The Magi legend is back and wishing. advacates. Here. And I sure hope this comes through bread. Go sailing. I'll handle everything yeah. I mean it remember. I'm the president. I guess we in, we'd better be yes. It very came wait to walk the plank and get out into kitchen gallery. That's Galley Birdie. Yes, she can't wait to get on there and go cook it. That's how he wants to spend her vacation just, couldn't it? Very! Yes, very. Good. A. Better swing deal. Everybody's poking on it I mean. Yeah guilty seems to be a little day. Whereas is our president man. We can bring in Julie comes chief. Floyd hasn't arrived either. We can't sing without a piano player beating. Sing Polo. Know. Without music. There's not much music. Do King now, Peavy is that Nice? About something with a with a good base. Many are trying to sleep in the. I prefer something on the romantic side for instance I. Mean My genie with the Light Rowan. Ragged nightmare. Oh maybe that's a commissioner. Side Gang Floyd's down at the piano and I. Don't Rush Me. I got a letter addressed US jolly boys. Up. Let me get it here under the lights i. read it I can read. asides is my building. Go ahead! Who'd be writing. Hey fellas this from the guy that used to own the houseboat. Oh, it says here. He thinks it's only fair that we know a few things about the boat about the both right a hey, get a load of this. The boat hasn't been caught for many years. Idea Cork a boat. That's tiring the seems. Oh. Tub must leak. What else you? Out much except the motor vibrates badly, and it has been known to shake loose and drop through the bottom of the boat. Floyd, you still want to go on I. Well. It appears that somebody have to spend some money to repair the boat. Blogging. Up All the money that I can thinking back, it was our president who talked into purchasing. Yeah, he's always con us into something. That sounds like the commissioner now. Hello Lodge members. Are we ready to take up this houseboat houseboat business. Baking a Houseboat Commission I. Just had a noble thought. You Yep. How would you like to take your vacation on the houseboat I? You mean floyd. Yes, sir, I'm the foreign to you commissioner in other words after you Afonso. Volatile. Thank you fly again. It seems the boat needs extensive repairs to be seaworthy seems the league here and there well, who knows more about how to cut off water than me? Far, as I'm concerned, the meetings over fellas floyd. This is the nicest thing you ever did for me. 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We're taking elmer. He's up above the bath tub. Yeah, I've been getting used to the water. We don't want him to get sick on us. Whoever heard of a seasick Turtle Leroy. Well with. Hyun. Little of him is beginning to rub off on you, Leroy. Forget for a minute. Let's see if we can help with the provision Bernie's love. She didn't make the HAM. Over how's everything going? Who are taking care of guilty Bernie's ready cooking failing good? Guilty about that booth to booth. What about it or judge hookah called, and said to be sure and check it is that bodes well roof leaks little, but I don't think it'll rain. I don't mind the roof leaking what she wants to know the law. You? Let me do the worrying, yeah. Yes. Rocco and I are all we're all set it mind you and Broncos. Take all the gear down with the boat and stowed away, so we want to get it out of sight before the Jolly Boys Right? Yeah, they were sneaking away tonight. Hey. kitties where you going on I don't to go off in a vacation. Without saying good vitamins. Milford thought I'd run down to the hospital. Of course you have to kiss your little nurse I. Have No idea. I'll just shake her hand. Leroy have. Yeah Catherine would be working. Much. Rather say goodbye door at home than hospital, not much privacy here. She does want to kiss me goodbye. Of course. I won't pursue the idea. WHAT THOSE BILLS MEAN! Probably some doctor getting four bills for fine operations. Batting. Catherine coming down the corridor. Nurses all look alike those uniforms. Catherine recognize that walk. Catherine didn't expect to see you. Always doing the unexpected had quite busy throckmorton. was there something you wanted? To. Stop by and see you. He decided to step away on vacation tonight Oh. That's wonderful. Where are you going on the river down the river on a boat? House spoke taking the whole family. That's nice, have a lovely trip throckmorton. Even, cabin I may be going for a couple of weeks. Season I know you'll have a grand time. Five known you were leaving Throckmorton. I would've thought you. A gift of some kind I mean I'm terribly. Sorry Throgmorton I'm awfully busy. The patient in this room waiting for me goodbye Martin have an ice captured. What a way to say goodbye! And leave her this way in spoil my whole trip. I joined. Stand Hill. She comes out. The party can wait. Catherine I thought you don't remembered. Something I wanted to tell you didn't wanNA leave without telling. Track Martin. Let's see very important to. And what it was Katherine says I'm going to be gone leaving in all I thought that you might want Martin. I have to get some ice water. Is Water time like this. Well I won't leave I'll catch you coming back. The jolly boys get down to the appear before I. Do they can start the party without be? Only coming down to you anyway. He comes Catherine back again. Picture vise I'll melt that brother. Catherine Martin, I thought. Here! Is Nobody in the cord. Lil. That to me. I have to report to surgery So that's what they mean. Darn those bills. nothing to do with Donald Duck and the jolly boys and a ten palm. To Party Jolly boys certainly gobbled up birdies refreshments. You don't start soon after. Bring some more off the boat killer slave. He yes, Bronco everything. Start Away. We're ready to shove off anytime. You say that's allowed Bronco. We're going sail tonight nearly. Nothing Jazz I'm just wondering if it's GonNa hail tonight. Fine Party Commissioner. Thank you, chief case careful. Don't fall off the peers man. Yes I along the bottle. That purpose, a magnum of Kayla water judge. I wouldn't hit it present. Big Bottle Might Kinky boot. Seriously Gal for you definitely decide to vacation on the vote. You should check its commission sure yet. It's getting chilly here on the Pier I was. Let's go aboard. We'll sing a song me. What's this floyd I think better dry land. Yes. Why don't we sing here on the dog? I've got holes in my shoes Oh. Yeah, policemen! Leroy! Toss me my Ukulele from the both. Really fell in the water while a big immeasurable Rely Bay all vacationing on the water the summer where lease. Go. You take the Solo Commissioner. Okay movie was feeling Oh. and. More move, live. We could hear the voices. ME. Seem to You have stolen my. Jaw. No. A altogether folks. Thank you very much. About, how another Song Gildersleeve! Another one who Katherine you. Expect to see you out here when I feel badly about not getting to say goodbye at the hospital this afternoon. I Ashraf more. ovoid is guilty isn't going anywhere why he's leaving on his vacation today. Did I. Say something. I shouldn't say what about Salem. Tonight Commission well the cats out of the bay. You May as well no photos relieving tonight guilty. The boat isn't safe. That's right. I wouldn't risk it commissioner. Isn't really dangerous now it's safe safe as the sieve. He could not be allowed to go Miss Mel. Morton night I want you to go if it's dangerous, little danger, man like me. Bronco. Get ready to start the motor I. What if Your Boat Sinks Mitch? Had you thought of the family. Everybody can swim except me. Rock more. Morton going to kiss me good rob. Don't be foolhardy, Gal de Obama judge. I'm busy. Goodbye Katherine. I mean start the motor. good-bye Everybody I would go out. Dangerous, the both need repair. Yeah, that's why I let you go first. Commission this letter from the owner letter floyd. Yeah, it says the motor may drop to the bottom. Don't worry about the letter. Floyd I wrote you wrong. The great deal. This leave has something else to tell you in just a moment. If Potato Salad takes over as the most popular summer food at Your House. Remember these three steps when you make I have all your ingredients, the same temperature second the sure you mix those ingredients lightly and third at only enough salad dressing to flavor it. Of course for Extra Delicious Potato Salad, you don't want to be sure your salad dressing is Miracle Whip peppy yet. Not a bit too sharp Miracle Whip has a just right flavor. Millions of folks everywhere preferred. So for sure success make. Your Potato Salad with the most popular salad dressing ever created Miracle Whip made by crafts. Yes we're. We're starting. On our summer vacation folks. Darn houseboat will stop rocking. I'd like to take just a minute to thank all the people that are behind the scenes year half year. The bring the Great Gildersleeve program to you first of all. There's our Little Family Waller Leroy Mary Lee Robb is Marjorie and Lillian Randolph his birdie. Miami's new Bronco is played by Dick. And my low girlfriend Catherine. Milford is Miss Cathy Lewis Earle Ross has been with us a judge hooker ever since the program began and Richard Legrand created the character of Mr PB years and years ago the other jolly boys. Brian is floyd and Ken Christie is chief. Gays Bessie my secretary of the water. Department has Miss Gloria Holiday. During this year. We introduced you to broncos parents. They weren't on the program tonight, but when they are with us, Mr and Mrs Thompson and played by Joe Kearns and genetic olen announcers Jay Stewart and Jim Doyle are fine writing staff. This year has been made up of Paul West John Elliott. Andy White the musical bridges and backgrounds or composed and conducted by Jack Megan. The sound effects usual have. have been created by Monty Fraser and Ray Ferguson is our engineer. The show is directed by Ron van. Heartfelt and Max Hutto for NBC and the sponsor of course is the Kraft Foods Company? We'd like to thank all of these people for their contributions, and we'd like to thank all of you for listening and for writing to us now and then we hope to see all of you again in September. Please Watch your newspaper for details. Thank you again for a nice season. This is Harold Perry, saying goodnight. 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Adam Grant

Experts on Expert with Dax Shepard

2:17:25 hr | 10 months ago

Adam Grant

"Whale Kolmogorov armchair expert experts on expert. I'm your resident expert. Monica Pad Man. I'm your non resident expert spirt Dax Shepard. Today we have somebody that we've talked about so much on the show and we had the deep deep pleasure to sit down and meet him Adam Grant. You've heard US talk about animal. Bunch of times on Harry's in American psychologist and an author who is currently a professor at the Wharton School of business of the University of Pennsylvania specializing in organizational psychology. He's so fascinating is such an interesting way that he looks at the world in. He's written a couple of books. Originals how nonconformist move the world and give and take while helping others drives our success now. That's the thing that we really got infected with lots of things but yeah we talk about that. A good bit your taker. Yes no always give her. Even though you're trying to prove why don't WanNa ruin it. That's not right. Yeah our shadows. Let's just say that. He evaluates are giving and taking status truly beautiful guy. I so excited that we met him and he's opened the door to all these other interesting people that we love. He's been so great he truly is a giver. The giver ever there is also. He's got a new children's book that I've read it multiple times in my kids. It's out legitimately an awesome children's book called the gift inside the box so please enjoy Adam grant rant. We are supported by Bob's red mill. My favorite source of gluten free oatmeal. Every morning I just add that water. Stir stir stir. I eat in the car along Dr Monica and ate it all the time. And it's so tasty feel like a million bucks. After I I have no residual issues. I just feel very fueled for the day. Here's the best thing about. Oh Bob's red mill. They are teaming up with no kid hungry now no kid hungry is something personae have been involved with for years now and it's an organization that helps address address kids that show school hungry. Basically any all of everything you could measure about a kid goes down if they start the day hungry in America Today Day one in seven children lives with hunger. No Kid hungry is a national campaign dedicated ending childhood hunger in America through effective programs that provide kids with food. They need such. It's such a school breakfast summer meals and after school meals now as a dad. It's just completely unacceptable to me that kids live with hunger. That's why I support no kid Hungary's work to ensure all. Oh kids have access to three meals a day and I just WanNa think Bob's red mill forgetting involve our good friends. At Bob's red mill are proud to partner with no kid hungry to raise awareness funds in support for this important. 'cause learn more and get involved at Bob's red mill dot com slash. No Kid hungry. Uh Adam grant welcome to armchair expert. Thank you excited to be here. First and foremost let's Geek out for one second that we're both from Michigan in not far apart either either. Where did you grow up? I was brought home from the hospital to Highland Michigan then. I moved to Milford then. We moved back to that. We move back to Milford. Then I moved to walled lake then Southfield Southfield then downtown Detroit. Wow so elementary. And junior high in high Linden Milford and then high school in Wall bike in your West Bloomfield. Yeah all the way three okay. What Part Hardaway Bluefield Fifteen in Orchard Lake. If that helps you. Oh absolutely fifteen how my God yes. Let's see so you went to West Bloomfield high school guilty so so you were born in eighty one. Does that mean you graduated in like ninety nine ninety nine do you love Olga's Oh of course job read. Oh I wanna go to Michigan again just for that. Soon as I land in Michigan either drive straight to Lafayette Coney Island or straight to toss up. Pick your poison orange cream cooler also. Oh sure Monica. Didn't I make you eat some snacker. They were really good. Just saying that because you know it's important to him. Well that is a good thing to be suspicious. They were good. I like. I'm from Georgia. So I get edit. Monica is from Georgia. Were Crystal is king. You know the little tiny white castle burgers. But it's called Chris. I've never had never even I heard of it. We'll just for the record Christie the logos collar astrology. We'll do you tiny hamburgers unique. Michigander thing that we -plore allies. Everything I actually had. There was a linguistics professor in college. Who would ask you for or five questions and then could figure out what state you're Oh Michigan? He only needed one or two questions whole really. It was always the. What do you call this? Can of coke okay POB there cofre there and then. Which direction do you drive to get to? Canada was the O.. which is east right? Is it east. I always thought it was. Didn't we go south to Canada to get to the Windsor Tunnel. I don't know maybe south I think if you're looking at it. Oh Yeah it's either south or east now Michigan in general. How how long has it been since you live there? I left in ninety nine and then went back to Michigan for Grad School from. Oh three zero seven so I guess it's been twelve years twelve years. I wonder do. Have you read by chance. The Malcolm glad well books of course the aren't they great. They seem very up. Your Alley is a regular sparring partner. Okay Okay Great. So one thing that again I grew up more in the hillbilly area. More than you did Milford. You said it not me on saying that when you get to that chapter on the culture of pride I was like Oh Bingo all the way Bingo from where I grew up just like you can't look at a dude in a restaurant without having walk outside. I'm fine or if you lock in and you commit to. It could escalate to walking outside. Once I moved to California I found that was unique. Yeah that I didn't even Ah. I didn't get that right. Oh okay our suburbs. There was no culture of honor. I think there's a lot of status competition. Oh my God yeah have you have you read. Mitch Princeton's work popular. No so Mitch. Studies popularity about middle psychologists and finds that there are two paths to being popular one is status which is is being cooler than everyone else and the other is being likeable. I think that West Bloomfield was very much about status. Not about likability right. Now Your Dad was a lawyer ear and mom was a teacher. You've done your homework. Wash his jobs. At least twenty people are going to listen to the obligation and I have a real quick question. Did he say Y. Some are status driven and summer like ability driven was their reasoning behind it. I don't think we know I think that in most for most schools and for most kids both paths are their options man. I think that for whatever reason I don't know of status was just more visible and we grew up in an area where there are all these symbols I russell was a lot of. SUV's yeah car. While I'm six years older than you and it was like yeah who had a Mustang Mustang. You're pretty much gonNA take the fast pass up to some level of popularity. I guess that's a Detroit thing I think so really thought about it before. We'll even when I was reading. I think he referenced that in your Article That's currently in the Atlantic panic. That is definitely true. That's true right and I went to you and I I like of course Amigo centric and I thought about you and I and I thought you know your popularity clarity's stem from likability. Yeah right yes I mind. Didn't that's really funny though. Because somebody says where you popular alert I always say no I was well liked but I'm popular sitter it to be the same as a popular was status with someone with a lot of cachet and status Atas. I didn't think I had that I didn't have that but I think we would use the definition of like how many Pe- if you asked all thousand kids in the school who knows. Monica Patterson that you know if twenty percents that I know who she was and then Gil Turner they said one percent. You're you know you're more popular. And then the question is will. What's why are you more popular? That's true okay so now back to your if you're a lawyer and he didn't do. Exclusively pro bono. Work probably could about Jordan's so we there is an ethos in the house or some kind of thought that was frivolous or silly. Why don't you have the good ship? Oh my parents were definitely anti materialistic. Think the Norman. Our House was You know where the old marathon t-shirts everywhere. Ha Ha or triathlon t-shirts then almost begs the question. Why were they even West Bloomfield? I don't know actually because that's where if you're in Michigan you're climbing. The ladder was bloomfield's the last out before Bloomfield hills or Birmingham. And that's it you're at the top right. Yeah that's right. I'm I'm not sure I mean I have no idea I know both grew up in Detroit. I don't know how they ended up there. I asked them. What part did they grow up in Michigan? They were both in Detroit proper. Oh they were okay okay so he goes just move out to the suburbs. We found a house right. It was in the same proximity to work for dad or anything. or where did mom teach semi mom taught in the North Farmington schools. So she did okay. Another lovely area. That's somewhere westbound right around the corner. So you buckle the fuck a cup Monica because we're UNIFIL WE. Neither of US went to an Ivy League school. Were kind of obsessed with the status of it. You went to Harvard out of West Bloomfield high school which which makes me think you must have had like a four point three or some shit and a bunch of extra I think about a fifth of our class did right here. It's funny I assumed and I was GonNa go to Michigan or Michigan state like everyone did. Yeah and I had a dream in September of my senior year of high school that I went to Harvard. I never thought about it and I said you know what I'm going to apply so I started filling out an application. Didn't really tell anybody in the divor right. You're all American diver. I was Barely good enough that the coach said yes. This guy is not terrible and we welcome him onto the team and so I guess that got stamped as having achieved something were you not labeled all American or maybe. I don't know what that means. Nine hundred ninety nine. Were you not josh. Inside of you. it feels like it no Yeah I made some list of top diverse but I filled out the application and you sort of had to validate like if you were Somebody would have to prove that you are good at music and they had the diving coach. Look at my video and and he said yes you go visit and then a couple of months later I got in and and was shocked. Yeah actually the the thing I remember most clearly was getting in wanting to go but then thinking I'm not GonNa have any friends there as opposed to when you go to the same college as all your friends. Yeah and so. I started running searches on America Online to find people who are going because you want to hang out with the people who put that in there profiled. While they're going to Harvard researcher I found a few and we started a little email list and by the time the sort of this spring pre freshman visit rolled around on we connected about an eighth of the entering class online and so we had an early online social network and then we got to campus. We're rolling Cambridge. Now we know each other. We don't need the online social network and we shut it down years before March starts facebook us. We didn't have a vision anywhere near obviously what that became but it is amazing to look back at what was created and what it could have been. I feel like no tells me so much about you. I would have had a hard time making myself vulnerable enough to who openly be in search of friends I would have felt like that would have made me a Louisville or look desperate. I'm not buying this. You're the King of vulnerability now. After after a life and death illness that required me to get sober and then learn these tools but no I I would have had a very hard time with that and in fact like what strata. Were you in in high school because we have the same paradigm I would imagine. I guess because you're an athlete. You van gasoline though right Hawkeye diverts to for basketball to week for football all too slow for tracks we were we were. It was kind of the swim team in the band. Were in the same level of coolness. Okay tells me if you went out of your way to to land at Harvard with a Social Group that tells me that you were you were actively engaged in trying to. Maybe we'll show. I think I did it though in part because I'm an introvert spelt lake. It was easier to reach out to people and send them emails than it was too. I was really shy so the thought of approaching a stranger was kind of frightening frightening face to face I can write these notes. I like to write and then maybe I'll connect with some people you land in Harvard and you have some friends. And what did you get your undergraduate Joe Degree and so I said he's technology you did. Why do you think you were interested in psychology? I think it happened for a few reasons. One had taken an interest class in high school and thought it was just incredibly really interesting to get inside the mind and figure out what makes us tick. Yeah I don't remember thinking about it that systematically but looking back I had a lot of questions about why people do the things they do. Yeah and I felt like we scratched the surface of that in this class. I wanted to learn more about it also discovered once I told my parents. I was thinking about majoring in psychology. That my dad had been a psych major the lady. I'm a dentist psych minor in either ever told me really but it was sort of in the water so I you know I grew up as a kid thinking that normal families said things like self fulfilling prophecy. Prophesy I just thought that was part of the you know kind of the everyday lingo. Yeah so I think it was in the water quite a bit right in. Were you drawn because I I took one. As well. In High School I was drawn specifically to like the path holidays. Like I wanted to know about schizophrenia. I wanted to know about split personality. I wanted to know about so paths. I wanted you know I was kind of drawn to that. But that's not what you were drawn to not as much. I thought it was interesting. What really hooked? Psychology was the idea that learning things that could improve my life and other people's lives and so I wanted to say if we all understood our own minds better than we could probably live more productive more meaningful lives. And let's figure out how to to do that. Yeah right because you took tall bench. Shahar's class did. We had him on the show. I heard that remember. He said that Adam was one of his best student student that he did say that in. Yeah four of us. Twenty five percent shot okay. So having him as instructor was that life changing were you on that path already dirt. He opened your mind to something. No Tallahassee big impact on me so the first thing he did was he convinced me to join a research slab and say look. You don't just have to be a consumer of this knowledge you can actually produce it I thought that was really exciting. I actually didn't know what professors did when I got got to college. I just thought they were teachers. Yeah and I think a lot of people think that probably the discovery that there was this whole life of creating social science. I felt like okay. This is something I want GonNa be involved in and then the other thing that happened was tol. was you know from meeting him. He's extremely introverted. And it was pretty empowering to see that somebody who is that withdrawn and not traditionally a charismatic person outgoing. Yeah could give such captivating lectures. Yeah and so I think it was an early role model to say. You know what I can probably expand my comfort zone in now. was that a discovery so you meet him under the guise of. He's the teacher and he's already in the throes of a lecture and he's probably probably very charismatic. And all these things did you go visit him in office hours and go. Oh wait this guys like me. Yeah I actually did it before. I even took his class to the first class. I had with him. He was the ahead. Ta and then there were a few other Ta's and I was assigned to somebody else's section but it was written up in the student. Course Evaluation Guy. That tall was the the best of the TA's and so. I actually manufactured a conflict. I didn't have one created one of my schedule so I couldn't go to the other section and then I was forced to go to Paul's even though it was already full. Ah I remember waiting afterward. talked to him and just feeling like wow this is this guy is not. He's not a big performer. He's not showman. He seems really cerebral role in introspective. And I think maybe I could be someone like that one. Yeah I think a lot of people would be shocked to know that actors can often to fall into a similar Yeah like you'll often meet really charismatic actors in real life. They're quite shy or they're introverted. Or you know all those things into some soup. Well I think in the case of many of those actors they actually are playing a character and I suspect that so as tall when he is the teacher I think he probably clicks into alternative identity house. Yeah I think that's true and I've I've certainly felt that as well one of the things I do in class every year now Is when we do personality I have my students. Try to guess whether I'm an introvert extrovert or ambivert. Somewhere in the middle and the classes usually pretty split so you know a bunch of people who will vote ambivert because most people are in the middle. They're like well this. Is this statistically smartest guess EMC. I'm always excited when they do that but there are a lot of students students who think I'm an extrovert and it is a performance right. It's it's I'm not an actor but my version of act one is though right. Yeah okay I'm not as skilled or correct right right right. Let's be clear but there is an element of of saying look. I didn't choose my personality so whether it's the you know the dopamine response that I have in my neo cortex that makes me an introvert or some other constellation of factors. That wasn't up to me But I did choose my values and I feel like sometimes I have to be false to my personality in order to be true to my values. I love sharing knowledge. I'm really passionate about connecting with students and trying to help them in the ways that some teachers did me in so that just feels like it's sort of it's become second nature right you can reverse engineer it a little bit right. I assume your comfort level now as a professor is much different through just muscle memory but Yeah I mean I mean. It's way more comfortable now. I remember my first year teaching. I gave out feedback forums so I could find out what I can improve on and one of the most common comments. I was so nervous. You're causing us to physically shake in our seats. Their Mirror neurons remain antic but over time. That's changed quite a bit and spend enough time on big stages now that it started to feel a lot more comfortable but at first I would. I was pretty obsessive about studying all their backgrounds because it made them less intimidating. I felt like you instead of these super human achievement robots who are in my class. They're a bunch of people with interests that overlap with mine and I could start to figure out how would I wanted to teach would relate to them and that made it a lot more comfortable. Well you know he really emulated his hero because he was voted most lights teacher at Warton for six years in a row on the two. He doesn't eleven two thousand seventeen. I think so. That's exciting. So that's Kinda Kumar now. Is there any kind of data. I mean these conversations. I'm sure you get frustrated. Traded with them as well as where things lie on the continuum between nature nurture is almost. The crux of so many debates yet ultimately may be unknowable. lable right to some precise degree but do we have a theory that everyone there is there any consensus on where that comes from. Introversion or extroversion. Yes so it seems like a Fifty percent of introversion extroversion is genetic. Okay plus or minus ten percent roughly and that's true for most of the major personality traits and the best way that we know this is as you get these studies of mottos got twins so they share one hundred percent of their DNA but then they get separated at birth. Oh we pray for it in science bad ride right of over weight and so then you look at. When they're adults how similar their personalities and on average they overlap about fifty percent in traits? Like introversion extroversion. Okay Okay but then you run though you would think more writing to well. I think a lot of people are surprised in the opposite direction. They think that it's going to be all nurture and if you grow up in an introverted family you'll learn to be quiet quiet. Yeah as a parent. I think that because I want to believe I have some impact on my children but I feel like when I've heard about those twin studies it's more attention grabbing to go. Oh the both ladies married a time and they both were. Thanks a rubber band on their left. Ritz yeah that stuff is is very headlining. Yeah I in sensational and fun and tasty. And then I guess doesn't make headlines to say they're not all alike no but I think the more I in some ways the more interesting tests is the the reverse. which is you take? Two kids who are genetically unrelated adopt them into the same family and then the question is what happens to their personalities stories on average they are no more similar than if they'd been adopted into different families. There no more similar okay. So then that says the nature's got a lot going on they're alive interpret that correctly I would tend to look at it. I think you know they're they're pressures families that pushed personality traits together. Obviously sleep in terms of routines that you learn. Yeah but they're also pressures that push them apart right sue. You're familiar with the birth order research that says we like to do niche picking and you know if the firstborn borne is a high achiever than the second born will often rebel to try to stand out And so I think it's easy to see why even though you think you're growing up in the same family you're actually exposed. It's the different environments with different expectations. Oh absolutely and then now that I have kids I recognize traditionally you just think of the parents leading that charge right but in fact the conclusion I've come up with with my younger daughter. Is She could give a shit about consequences. She doesn't care about rules and when I realized was from the moment she was born and she's been being rejected by the person whose approval she wants the very most in the family which is earlier sister. So it's just happening literally upwards of three or four hundred times a day. She gets rejected by her sister. So she's she's got coping mechanisms. She can get over that. And so we reject her in some capacity or disapproving of something. She's like yeah. This is the four hundred and ninth time. I'm big deal. What do you think of that theory so I think it depends on each spacing a little bit? So they're only a couple of years apart right. Yep anyone months so my my read. The birth order research is almost the messy area. I've seen in social science period right there all these conflicting effects. Nobody agrees on anything but one thing that I think is pretty robust. is you see those kinds of reactions. If kids are within about five years of each other okay and then if they're further apart there's really no competition and so all the niches are open all over again they're almost all firstborn eventually war. The older sibling takes on more of a parental role. And then the you know. The younger sibling feels more supported. And so I I think the similarity clarity to age. Seems like a big factor there. Well I thought what was funny when learning about you as someone that is an organizational psychologist would have dared to have three kids because in my experience experienced to always ruins the third two of them always gang up and destroy the life of one of their one of the kids. I I just have a sister so I never knew what the third would be like. I think there's something to that. I also think we were warned a lot about zone defense problem and how much harder two to three is. Yeah I don't think that's the hardest problem. I think it's math because when you only have two kids there's only one fight that can be happening three kids you've got three different fights going simultaneously you have the power our cater avenue ones. Are they all the same gender girls and then the baby. Yes I feel like this is the most ideal. If you're going to go down this road yep I feel like that those two gals will nurture that boy definitely telling myself that. I Ah. I'm optimistic for you. Okay so you get out of Harvard and you have a degree in psychology and you got to Study with one of the great teachers that they've ever had which is a very fortunate Senate event for you and then you end up you Vam in Ann Arbor. Michigan might be the coolest sliver of Michigan and are. It's quite a neat little pocket. I think it's the best college rush hour on Earth did you go to Hash Bash. They're never never okay. Great this is where we started. You've never had coffee true. What the fuck? How could you like like you see the the whole world's drinking you don't think well they must be on to something? I need to try us. Caffeine is never had an effect on me that I can tell. Oh really at also a a super taster. I have all these extra taste buds on my tongue and even the smell of coffee is disgusting. Chocolate to chocolate spies it. Oh my unclean rather no choice between eating chocolate and a pile of dirt I would choose the dirt. Oh aw that's how bad chocolate is. I wonder what he's smelling now. Fearful he's smelling us. I mean I worked. Oh where how'd you find out. You were a super taster. What do you do out? Is Our test their couple tests actually so the survey is you. Compare the worst taste you've ever experienced to the loudest sound or the brightest light often more bothered by the worst taste. But then there's a there's a chemical called pro P- I think it's there's a piece of paper treated aided with it that you can lick and most people can't taste anything but to super tasters. It's foul happen to. I happen to be at a psychology conference where a researcher gave these out. Five hundred the people in the auditorium. Everyone the paper. Nobody reacts my mouth is on fire only had to run out of the room. It was so I'm so I'm so jolly liaising me. Too Unique. 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I've had no training burst. I have to sell ads then the next year I was running a team. I had managed budget and motivate a staff and hire. Hire people idea what I was doing so I went back to the principles. I was learning in my psychology classes and started applying them and they worked. I got better at my job. I it went from being a horrible salesperson to doing reasonably well at that job. I ended up doing a good enough job as a manager that I won an award for management skills. Oh aw I didn't know what I was doing. I was literally just going through my all. The psychology studies. I'd read and trying to apply the best insights and so I thought okay if I can learn to do this anyone can uh-huh and then I had a really for the actual sales ability improve or just your your management of sales team and Bo Bo. Yeah so the. The first cheer went by First Week of trying to do ad sales and we had a ninety five percent renewal rate in the. Let's go travel books. Okay and I had zero contracts. So maybe even lost some of their customers at three clients to manning refunds from the previous year granted which was not allowed to my country. All and then I completely completely turn this around and ended up. Selling hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of advertising and a lot of it was just learning to build rapport. Ask People Questions Try to connect with them amount of personal level not just in in terms of trying to complete some kind of transaction right. I was surprised by how useful it was. Did you employ that trick without. I've heard of where where you you basically basically get people to in a pattern of saying yes. Have you heard this thing. Yeah Regal like Bob Sheldon either four walls those technic- oh okay so you know the actual name so you tell Monica about it. 'cause they'll probably watch but I love this. I think people tried to employ it on dates as well tell me. It's it's creepy. The general concept is that if you WANNA be persuasive you want to get people to commit to something and then be consistent around it and so so I might start by let. Well what's something that either of you struggled to persuade someone to do. Okay Okay Mo- mm Oh fuck I have children so I mean virtually anything. Brush their teeth and we use that. Yeah Okay so can you play one of your kids. Oh of course yeah I'll be Delta Okay all right can I call you delta. No I'm going to do it anyway. Say very good start. We're going sure. Okay Oh okay right right. Yeah yes okay great so delta. Tell me what is your favorite food. Macaroni and and cheese. What do you like about? Macaroni and cheese tastes good. It tastes good What does it tastes like cheese awesome? Okay what do you like about eating eating macaroni. It makes me feel okay. Do you like that feeling. Yeah why because I'm still GONNA get back in and out compression. What does it feel like when you're not full? I'm angry okay. And you don't like being angry. No okay you like being happy yeah. Macaroni makes a happy. Yes okay what do you need to eat. Macaroni of fork. Okay and what about in your mouth. My teeth okay. Do you know what you have to do to your teeth. So that they keep working brush them up so you back them into you've you've attached something. They loved something they. Hey let's say it again. What was called the four walls technique the four walls technique? Okay so interrupted you because I was curious if that was one of the techniques. So was that one of the techniques employed during this ad sales. I don't think so so you you were just building rapport. Which is owning a lot of poor? I would start by sharing something about you. Know about my background that was relevant to the clients but then a big factor was Was Social Life. You've so the idea that under uncertainty people follow the lead of similar others. So if you're not sure okay. In this case should I buy it or not. I'm going to look at what other advertisers are doing doing. And it never dawned on me to say okay. Here's our list of clients who are renewing. Oh sure they've all decided to go for it. Is that something that you might be interested in two. Oh that's this genius. These people that are these companies that I respect are all advertising. I probably should too right. I trust them. They have their profitable. We'd like to be like them. But I do you right when you walked sandwiches. I said. Hey We're both from Michigan. I wanted you to know like hate work. You know. Look cotton from the same civil aries. Yeah it's weird though that I came in and you wanted to bond with me. Oh why is that well. I don't know I I would think is the guest. I'm the one who wants to bond with host now. That's and you're the famous one. Don't you think this is backward. Yeah I actually. Don't I think it's his job to make you feel comfortable. Maybe right that is very mid western of you. Though when I always say I envy about Howard. Stern is that everyone is trying to get his approval. I don't care who you are. He is the King of all media. He's number one so even if Brad Pitt does his show he wants Howard Alaikum I have mortgage could give a shit if I like them so the little bit of a tactical disadvantage. That's so interesting. I don't know if it's an advantage to have people need to like you. I don't know if that is. I agree with you if the goal is to get them to try to impress you end up telling a lot about themselves that may be otherwise one hour mellish or a practiced. I like none of. That's organic or good right. Yeah we'd have to identify in our study what we're would we go. What's the goal? And there's a name for what we're doing right now to it's called the breaking the fourth wall technique who tell me I just made that up. Having a conversation goes on Lynn. podcasting is that what you on fire for like. Oh there's there's something to organizational psychology in the workplace. Yeah that was a huge factor factor. And while I was doing my manager job I took my first organizational psych class and the professor Richard Hackman had this really interesting career where he decided going to become the world's leading expert on teams because he hated working with other people. This is true for a lot of psychologists right. We stand are blind spots. What's the one thing I'm worst at Jago? Go and study that right. And so Richard wanted understand. How could anyone ever work with another human being? And the way that he did it was he took all the careers that he was interested in. And said I'm going to live vicariously by studying them and so he'd wanted to be a an orchestra conductor. He studied symphony orchestras. And how to help them enjoy their jobs and also played. Hey better music January So yeah I mean. He studied intelligence agents basketball teams and airline cockpit crews and I looked at that and said wait a minute. I have never known what I WANNA do with my career. But as an organization psychologists my job would be to study other people's jobs that sounds fascinating. Oh that's so interesting. Yeah like in lieu of your own like norstar our passion. You could go study other people's barrier I like that. Can you remember what it was about studying organizations like. Oh Wow we could know that out there were so many one of the ones that jumped out at me. I was trying to think about the idea of personality at work. You're working with someone who is sometimes really dominant and authoritarian. And other times. You know kind of submissive and deferring to other people. How in the world could that? What happened and what I thought from setting social psychology was? Oh well the situation is very powerful and so you end up in a situation where someone has more status. Addison you and you defer you end up in a situation where you know you're the powerful person and you kinda stand up. Yeah like code switching or something exactly and and there's some of that but what we learn about was research on the personality trait of authoritarianism which is actually your consistent in your inconsistencies. So that authoritarian are always. They're always dominant when they're dealing with people below them and they're always submissive when dealing with people about them and that's a personality trait to say you you know. I believe that hierarchy is really important and I believe when I'm in charge I should have total control And I thought that was so interesting to say. Actually you bring in this personality trait to an organization and it changes the way that you interact with all of your colleagues depending on who you think has more power less power than you. Okay while we're on this topic because Monica I I just I went through and kind of remembered all the things we were obsessed with in his interview Osama we loved and you were talking about that power conventionally is thought of as something that corrupts people it was it was even hung in a classroom of yours as a child. But that that's not the case in you gave great examples of two folks that perfectly offically exhibit that. Oh yes so it looked power can corrupt people but I think that some people are more corruptible by power than others And so I I love. The case of a lawyer is trying his first case and the judge writes that he doubts that the lawyer has the ethical qualifications to practice law and that lawyers Richard Nixon. uh-huh this happened in the nineteen thirties. If I remember correctly so we could foreshadow a lot of what was to come and so I think that Nixon actually corrupted power right. It wasn't necessarily Shirley power that corrupted him and then you contrast that with another lawyer who also ascended to the Oval Office coup when he was practicing law he was asked us to take a case to defend somebody who thought was guilty and he said I can't I think it's wrong. And he was so upstanding that he couldn't be paid to go against his values in his beliefs. And then when he made it to the Oval Office he held office hours four to four and a half hours a day to hear the concerns of regular citizens. You might have heard of him. His name is Abraham Lincoln. Yes and I think that you can see in that contrast with a lot of the research in psychology has shown which is that oftentimes power doesn't really corrupt it reveals and that when you gain a position of influence feel like what I am now free to show you my true colors. See What's interesting about. That is when I was hearing you talk about it. And this becomes a little bit of an Overarching issue I have in general with summing people up is that binary doesn't really cover it. A quadrant doesn't cover it. There's so many the colors so in my own life I went from. Powerless biometrics and then getting famous. And then definitely exploiting that. Misusing that abusing abusing that. I'd like to think I'm now at a place where I don't do that. But it was a learning curve for me so is it also possible that that thing is fluid. Yeah Yeah I think so. I'm much more comfortable. Predicting somebody's behavior over a long period of time so the shorter the window. The more likely it is that whatever situation you're in is going to have a big impact act on your behavior and also the peer group that you're around. You're probably doing a lot of those same things. Sure sure But I think that where we start to see your values play out is you chose to step up off that path right and say okay. That's not the person I want to be. Yeah I don't know how I feel afterwards. So you leave you them in you go to North Carolina and you work therefore minute and then you end up at the Wharton School of business at Pan which we're still latte and you wrote a book and I think your first job I probably i. I'd imagine some way leads to give and take. Is that accurate. Yeah very much. So so. In that first AD sales job I felt felt like what really motivated me was knowing we were a student run organization on a college campus and the more revenue I brought in the more jobs I could create for other students who are also trying to to pay for school in the same way I was and so without that knowledge I would have been a total pushover and said you know I. I don't really need to tell these clients that they should spend their money on our advertisements retirements. Yeah but knowing that I had such an important mission and that it might help other people it kicked me into a different gear and it made me much more likely than to say. Okay look I'm not Doing this for me. I'm doing this because I believe in this organization and the you know the the learning opportunities it creates for people in the way that it makes it possible for them to afford an education. You yeah and so seeing how motivated I was by believing that my work benefited other people. I got interested in studying that more systematically and I actually did my Undergrad thesis studying the teams that. Let's go and found that. The best predictor of the performance of the writers and editors who putting the books together was their belief that their books. We're going to have a positive impact on travelers flers. So you you start looking at givers and takers. And then there's also a mix of those two right and you found that in in workforce's in cultures pictures of companies that you have these different groups of people that you've labeled givers or takers and then there's a third one would natcher's the matches so tell us about givers and takers. Because I'm really curious as to explain it I gotta say I have no idea where I fall on. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah I okay so explain. What a giver? Than what takers okay. So first of all these are styles of interaction that we all mix and match throughout the course of our days in our lives But when I think about your style I think about what your default so when you're interacting with most of the people most of the time are you asking what can I do for you. uh-huh givers orientation. Are you trying to figure out what can you do for me. which is more of a taking mindset or are you saying well you know can we can we trade favors and I'll do something for you if you do something for me and that that would be being a matter and I found that yeah of course you know we all have moments of each but you? I think we all also know people who are pretty consistently trying to add value versus extract value from their relationships. Yeah and so. That's what I was trying to get up and you are also saying one is not better than the other like A. Obviously we all think being takers bad. I mean well he was at least you think well but you know I think more specifically you're approaching it from the angle that he was open to the notion that a taker might be better for a business that the outcome better study. Yeah obviously morally. I would prefer that there aren't any shakers in the world. You you set out on that hypothesis hoping that givers are ultimately beneficial to an organization. But you're open to the notion that the data might not support that big right now. Now here's where I think I might be able to bump up against you in. Are you a little bit as I am on some level in an rand I believe leaving selfishness. I believe there isn't anything that's not selfishly motivated so even if I hear someone is a giver or someone as a people pleaser I think well they're just selfish but for whatever weird reason their identity is such that that's where they get their self esteem but it's still we're all in pursuit of the same thing like being loved connection and then we've chosen a path and right or wrong. That's the pathway. But we're all trying to do the same thing and everyone's equally fucking selfish. What do you think about that? Are there levels of selfishness of of course sea levels people Geneva no. I think it's actually really interesting debate. And I don't think I'm GonNa land where you think I'm GonNa land but I was just going to say a what I'm seeing as people using really terrible strategies to get the thing they wanted love and connection but don't think that the person who's in the jacked up truck doc fucking blown diesel exhaust on a previous for a video in an affliction shirt and flip and someone off. I think weirdly that guy is just as desperate and wants just as much for everyone around him to like him look up to him. Whatever respect him he's just not super grade evaluating whether that techniques bearing fruit fruit? Or not maybe or maybe they're big individual differences in how much people care about being liked and accepted and loved to ease their or many people. You need to beloved by okay. But we have these categories in psychology agreeable or disagreeable these personality types in there seemed to be somewhat universal across the patent it. Okay so even even that I still think at the core of agreeable disagreeable is the same desire in the same selfish motivation just to drastically different approaches so when I think about the the continuum of greatness I think about agreeable people as warm friendly. They're polite Nice Canadian Yup Great We were and disagreeable people are much more. Critical and skeptical on New Yorkers. Yes and also the more likely than their peers to go to law school or become engineers which is interesting but I think that when you look at the experiences of agreeable and disagreeable people there is a great study that W Moskowitz and Stefan coattail dead in Toronto Val places where where they would page you or text you. This was in the pager days. They'd ask you what you're doing right now and then how much joy you feeling And agreeable people. Of course were happiest obvious when they were feeling loved and connected other people disagreeable people experience more joy in an argument than in a friendly conversation and they were. They were energized by that sense of conflict conflict intention but again. Don't you think the arguer is at that moment confirming their identity that what people like about me is that I am very savvy on my feet and I'm Nimble Nimble in an argument and improving the value adding to everyone which is I'm very clever and bright like don't you think maybe horror of it the think that's what's attractive about them. I I think for some but I think there's also a pretty big subset of disagreeable people who aren't thinking about the other person's reaction these are saying. Hey this is who I am and I need to tell this idiot that I'm right in this kind of psychologist so I would say Monica. Would you agree that taxes pretty agreeable as opposed to disagreeable no. I would think that when you were talking about. When you're talking about givers and takers? I don't know if I'm a giver taker but when I know agreeable disagree totally disagreeable I don't buy at all every time I've listened to your show. I hear off the charts agreeable. I ah well I agree that I do not think you're a taker at all okay. I'm not sure but no I don't think I I do not think you are but I do think your disagreement. I think I'm disagree. I do too. Yeah Yeah why well definitely what you say about getting energy out of the aid debate he has. We both do but wait a minute. That's that's something a little different so intellectual debate very different from actually Genuinely disliking someone. Okay yes I almost never dislike a presidium and if I don't agree with them and also seem to hate the idea of being disliked liked to of course yet what are the hallmarks. Have agreeable though although I've had to evolve because again I'm in a position where a lot of people would want my intention in at some some point I had to go on and have to live with people not liking me. I got exist in the world with you because I don't feel like he wants to be like so much that he changes his personality. Saudi to match or to acquiesce. You don't do that. You're still you always you just want them to like. I want that version. Yeah manipulating manipulating yourself. which to me would be more of an agreeable person maybe would be like okay? This person needs this for me so I'm going to be that Chameleon Amelean well that that also gets in. Have you talked about self monitoring. No another trait. I think there's a case to be made. We should pay more attention to it when we talk about the big five personality traits traits but hasn't made it there yet so self monitoring is about how much you adopt your behavior to fit the environment and so if you're a high self monitor you're constantly reading the norms and then saying okay. I've got to adjust and you're you're actually you're an actor in everyday life whereas low self monitor would say this. I am and I am going to be that way regardless of this. Is Steve Jobs. Yeah off that I mean so far down on the low self monitoring end of the spectrum then totally extremely disagreement now is the girl giver. That's a good question. I think it depended it depended on who he was interacting with that you see a lot of the telltale signs of being a taker in the way that he took credit for other people's work that he demeaned and disrespected other people. Might I think there's a huge difference between being demanding and being demeaning and you cross that line yeah consistently I think though that there were moments when he seemed more generous so there was an award that the MAC team did for years for the person who most courageously challenged. Steve Jobs OPS. Oh and every year that person got promoted since so you you saw him receive respecting but rewarding people who are willing to stand up to him. Oh interesting stay eighteen armchair if you dare. We are supported by shutter fly now. Kristen just made the coolest shutter fly books of our trip to Taranto with five families went. Took a Lotta pictures. VIEWING THOSE E we. What are you gonNA? You're GonNa go on your phone. You Scroll Scroll through a trillion pitchers versus she curated all the best memories in photos made it into a book. And now everyone has a physical copy of that experience. 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That's twenty percent off when you go to native deodorant dot com in use the code. Dax so I think it was an incredibly a complex character. Yeah but I'm GONNA use him a couple times as talk about some years. Yeah yeah because he does seem to him is what we think of is like an individualist. I non people all these things so that this takes us back a little bit to the question about our people you know. Is there a core of selfishness and what I think is. It's actually. I love this research by David Rand. Who says look you know? We think that people have these based Darwinian instincts to be selfish as possible and the way that we get to generosity. Is We build cultures and societies that reward and have rules and norms around. How you treat other people then override? You're selfish instincts. Right what David David shows is often as the opposite. That if you put people in a situation where they have to make split-second decision about let's say whether they want to donate money to a charity. That's going to help children who are are in poverty In the immediate visceral decision they are more likely to be spontaneously generous when they're not even thinking about it because the natural response to that feeling of empathy or compassion Ashen is to help give right exactly even even if it's at a real cost to yourself right whereas if he gives you a little time to think about it you become more calculated and you get into a slightly greedier more selfish mode and so I think it's a mistake to assume that we have a fundamental nature that selfish and then kind of layered on top papa is are more evolved kind of I think we have both. I think we have some base instincts to try to accomplish our goals and self serving as possible awesome. I think we have some equally powerful instincts to care and show concern and I think that the ideal state for most people if they care about their own success or the quality of the relationships chips is to get good at pursuing both of those goals simultaneously. Yeah boy I was just thinking about you. Know we are designed we have hardware. There's a reason babies look the way wave a look. There's a reason puppies and kittens. Look the way they look like. We do have some visual signals of when we should be more empathetic sympathetic and helpful helpful right. It's harder to feel bad for Schwarzenegger than it is screech. Well we know that Greece did a porno. I used a bad example. There's a whole separate he. Let's let's let's assume they didn't do that. I guess yeah murked up his own experiment airman there. There are some fun experiments that when you're exposed to cuter cats or babies your then more likely to be helpful and but not just helpful also more careful you you feel the need to be vigilant to protect somebody who might be suffering or creature that might be in danger right. And I think it's easy to see how those instincts evolved and would have been selected for for and even Darwin recognized it right. Darwin wrote in one of his classic books that a group where people were unselfish and they were trying to help other people in the tribe would actually uh outlast other tribes and that would be a form of group selection so in this work culture. Where you have takers and givers you have matches? The matches are people that are Ohama rabies code right like an eye for an eye. It's whatever's equal now. Explain what Monica is to me or or explain what you are. Because I don't know where I fit in that I'm I'm not sure that I'm so clear on taking her giving in the workplace so I think about it. In two ways one is what goals or motives And then the second is. What are your behaviors when you look at how other people perceive you and one of the things that a lot of us run into is we have a hard time judging her own styles and at first we find that a lot of people claim to be givers and then other people think? They're takers. Yeah and you're like okay. This is a weird version of the movie. The sixth sense everybody sales knows her a taker. But you have no idea. Yeah and a lot of people assume that's ego that we WANNA see ourselves and in the most positive light. Yeah but the research on. There's actually a says it's probably more about information that you actually the the the the classic work on this is married couples so you put them in separate rooms and you ask them of the total work that goes into their marriage. What percent are you responsible for and then three out of every four possibly add up to over one hundred percent. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Somebody's lying and I think that men generally overestimated more than women do anything you're right. I do unsurprisingly. What's really interesting about? This is if you break breakdown why it's not because you want to think that you're inherently a better partner than your spouse right. It's actually you want to believe that your spouse says it's probably the same kind of great partner that you are It's more that you you were there for every act of generosity. You did right you were you were you. Were present when you took exactly you remember every dish and whatever whatever your heart is doing you just can't recall that so I think that makes it hard to judge where we stand because we just know too much about ourselves and we don't have the we don't. We don't have good comparison with other people book but I think the For me one of the easiest tests is to say okay when you meet someone new. What is your first impulse? Are you looking for ways that you might be able to help them. Are you looking for a trade that you could do or are you evaluating the person in terms of what could this person do for me I someone who's known you for a long time Ashton Kutcher. All Ashton said that one of the most humble givers then he knows the day that the two of you met well but again. Let's just I'm going to own. The reality of it is. I was penniless. He gave me my first job. I've seen as they give her as well and also he held the keys to a lot opportunity for me so it was. It was definitely my best interest to be in that role roll with him. That's probably true. So just want check my own benevolence in say he did represent you know what is a better but is a better evaluation of friendship. Ship is what we are. Now which is I. I don't need anything from him. Anything from me and Ya I like to think yes. I would still be happy to help them move into his house. You know so that. So so. That's a bad test. Because he was in a position of influence. The better test is at different points in your life for your career. How did you treat people who couldn't do you any good doc? Give them the time of day. Did you try to explain them or did you say okay. How can I open the door for this person? So there's like a neutral space a non giver. I kind of I feel like if I'm being honest I am neither like if accurate. I'm definitely not trying to take or figure out what they can do for me. I'm just like I just do what I do now. Let's clarify one thing could because this is fun is it on. The acquaintance level is in on the friendship level. Is it on this coworker. Level what is it all is just one because I'll say within your friendships. You're trying to send their kids to a preschool. They want to go to. You're going to invite your friends and rent a house so they can have vacation so you know these people I love that seems different. Strata I think the definition of a real relationship is both people blur givers and neither person keep score unless things get way out of bounce right which happens so is this is just within co workers. Maybe that's how I've typically studied it. Yeah because I think it's where there's the most room for not knowing how to behave and then you start to see people's values come out a little bit. Yeah just seeing but I've also been opportunistic mystic and I evaluated when people could help me I think as well. I don't think that's a bad thing. Though right. You're you're supposed to be ambitious for yourself. Just not at the expense of other people right. And so when I've when I studied I think you're you're probably familiar already. With the thing I found when studying engineers and doctors and sales people in a couple of other jobs to the givers tended to fail a lot more than the Tigers and matters but they also succeeded a lot more which is kind of a cool? Well okay helping others sink your career or it could accelerated tolerated. Yeah and the biggest differences between the successful in the failed givers were not about their intelligence or talent or ability. They were really about whether you looked out for your own an interest as well as trying to help other people. So could you give us a concrete example of how a giver could excel or or you know end up at the top of this chart. Yes one one of my favorite examples is Kat Cole. So she was raised by a single mother who had to work three jobs to feed the family food budget of ten dollars a day and by the time that cat turned fifteen. When it was legal she started working to help support the family so selling clothes in a mall and then working in a restaurant and she was the kind of giver? We're who was always looking for ways to pitch in so one day in her restaurant Cook doesn't show up and cat is the first person to raise her hand volunteer and run back into the kitchen. So that meals are served served and then a manager quits and cat takes it upon herself to start organizing people's shifts and making sure that everyone still has a predictable schedule. And you look at that and you say wow what a doormat. We see especially women are likely to get taken advantage of and stuck with that kind of office housework or kind of invisible oh contribution but in case. She ends up getting invited to open up the company's first restaurant in Australia and the reason for that is she's the only person who's worked every job in the restaurant run. All that time. She spent helping other people solve their problems. She was learning and building skills to solve the whole company's problems to capitalize on exactly ugly. And so you know she. Her career just takes off from there and by the time she's twenty six. She's in charge of corporate training By thirty two. She's named the President of a little company called cinnabon. Okay she's now running that and jump juice and anti ends and a bunch of other franchises and so you can see from her story. How clear it is that helping actually has A? It has a learning advantage wjr but that was a clear consideration for her when she helped write. It wasn't oh I'm just GONNA do all these random task that nobody's going to appreciate. I'm going to help. In areas that are strategically. She did important to actually getting our work done. And I'm going to do it in places where I can pick up new skills. I would imagine the advice could be. I don't know what your advice is but like like being a giver but have boundaries kind of like the same interpersonal things that we would want. It's like that's exactly. That's exactly what I would recommend you want to have boundaries around who you help how you help and when you help now people will respect boundaries people. Actually it's counterintuitive you. You think you're not pleasing them but actually admire you. They look up to you. They trust you more. They you know they know you value yourself. And then they're forced to value us. Well Yeah I think I think that's. That's something that a lot of givers don't realize until much later in their lives or careers though Where they can fuse early on the idea that I want to be helpful with I have to say yes to all the people all the time all the requests? You know. It's funny now that you're saying it's like boy that really details the difference between my mother and father so perfectly and my father was a car salesman and it's fucking kill we every man for themselves take what you can get steal L. A.. fucking guy if he turns his back. Steel customer you know and for many years he made more money than my mom and my mom was start as a janitor at GM then worked in the tool crib rib always volunteering for overtime. Had Support US three kids and accumulated all these bizarre skills. Not Unlike the story you just told and then ultimately my mom ended making much more than my father because she started a business and she knew how to do all these aspects in all much different And I was always just so happy I felt like there was justice in the world when that turned out that way. I think that's interesting. Finding when you look at the givers who fail versus the ones who succeed is most giver failures in the short term. Because you know day to day you are are sacrificing some of the time you could be devoting to your own work you are. Maybe you know helping other people get things done as opposed to kind of advancing your own agenda And that that seems like a disadvantage in the short run but in the long run not only are you learning more. You're also building trust Whether you're a taker give her a matcher. You want to be surrounded by givers verse. People tend to value those people over time and so I found that the giver send a rise. Yeah I've always thought you know in business you you can fuck people over but you can the only fucking over once. It's GonNa be a big score but you better be able to cash out. That talked everyone over. We have certain examples currently that confusing away with it. You get away with it but that that depends often on whether they're matters in that system because matters of the people who hold takers accountable. Right the givers the more likely to let them get away with it over and over again matters. No My job is to be the Karma police wheel this sort of justice. If you're a taker is my mission in life to just punish the hell out of you. Oh I have I have I suffer from that a bit now. I got a woman thing. Oh back to that selfish thing. I think it's I'm acutely suspicious of it because I happen to be married to someone who most people would agree is the most generous helper. Give her on the plant out and truly is so. It's your job tip protect kristen. No it's that I look at her and she is by all measures a better person than me much more generous much more. Empathetic always there for somebody buddy. But I am her partner and I'm not wowed by her. She's my wife twelve years and I go she's just as Fucking Ego Maniacal Zion. She just her. I'd entity is this. She is supporting her own identity. Neither bizarre better. I happen to get identity out of doing wheelies on motorcycles or rather self esteem. That's not in her bag. She gets it out at rescuing dogs. She's just a human like everyone else in their path to self esteem happens to be that. Got It okay. So this is super interesting thing. I would say a couple things on that. The first one is. I don't think there's anything wrong with getting psychological rewards from helping right. That's that's part of what fuels the people's desire to keep helping and if you're constantly stepping in pitching in for other people and it's draining you then then you're GonNa stop doing so right. I think we wanted to be reinforcing so I wouldn't fault anyone for either getting self esteem or joy or some kind of ego boost right out of being helpful. I think though that there's a difference between doing it because you want that boost and that boosts being a byproduct of the action So what you see with a lot of givers is yeah. It makes their day when they're able to help someone else and I feel this all the time as a teacher. The one of the things that happens in my life now is I work with a lot of different kinds. Organizations is often easy for me to find if somebody wants a job in their dream company. It's often easy for me to say student. Hey I actually know the person who runs that organization let me. Let's see if I can set you up an interview and that is the highlight of my day. No question yeah but I didn't do it because I wanted to feel good. Did it because I cared about the student and I thought it would be really really meaningful to try to help them achieve their goals and then oh cool there's this kind of reward that comes after it which is a nice surprise? I don't know if this applies as something you see in in your marriage but for a lot of givers the joy is kind of an afterthought or an after as opposed to the driving motivation. And she she was raised in an environment were her. Kindness wasn't exploited and I was and so I might be inclined to help somebody but I have a pretty pretty lethal fear that I'll be taking advantage of so this is this is An interesting this is something I often see with with people who have kind of mixed excape matching instincts. Ms You want to help but you also have been burned a bunch of times right and you've seen people get taken advantage of and so there's a strong I wouldn't think about that is taking its more strong self-protective drive and I think that's healthy right. I think we we all need to have a spidey sense the tingles when. Somebody's out to get us. Yeah it's funny because I came into this thinking. Okay I can share this evidence about how givers can rise. We're going to motivate a lot of takers to become more generous uh-huh and that has not given his adding the impact. That's not in the effect the effect has been for a lot of givers to say. You know what I don't have to give up on this I was burning myself out or I was getting burned. And that's not destiny for a giver. I just need to be more thoughtful about the choices I make and so you know I. I don't think anyone has to be a giver to be successful but I think it's a more meaningful way to succeed. Split if if you could achieve your goals and elevate other people along the way. It's kind of exciting well. Well that is funny and counter intuitive that the result of the book was Actually Two D.. Shame probably the giver and it didn't shame the takers in a way that you have gotten a few emails over the last few years from people saying you know seven people gifted me this book and I thought Oh I'm such a giver and then it got coming taker okay. Now let's give and take now. Here's where you and I really got excited Ah Sam interview and I think this is where it all comes from that you then wrote originals. How nonconformist move the world? If I'm correct about this what we took from. That is that genius thing we put on a pedestal is not the product of quality as much as it's the product of quantity. Is that the book where this kind of Yes comes from. Yeah so the the basic thing. I was curious about was about how there's so many people in the world with creative ideas. I'm not just talking about about you. Know artistic creativity. I'm talking about you have an idea to improve your immediate environment. So you think the culture of your organization is broken. Or you've come up with a product product that you think is a slight improvement and you might WanNa go on shark tank Monday right and I think that the data show very clearly that most of us never do anything about those ideas and the big question. Here's why I think I came. I came on a few answers. One is we don't know how to judge her own ideas and figure out if they're any good right and then we don't know how to speak up about them and get other people on board word and so I really wanted to write the sequel to creativity and say once you have an idea. How do you champion it and make it reality? And so I came in with his pig. It was a really clear expectation for me that original thinkers were just cut from a different cloth. They are daredevil. They love to take risks. They're extremely family passionate. And they have total conviction that their ideas are going to work out. And they're just biologically wired. Yeah to say okay I I have a came out of the womb with vision Asian. How it was going to change the world and I'm GonNa go do it and be a prodigy along the way? Yeah I found the opposite of all of those things. I found that this is true for creative. Scientists artists entrepreneurs you can see it in any domain that they were very consistently the people who generated lots and lots of bad ideas. The more bad ideas. You have love the more ideas you haven't so you have a better shot at something onto a good one which was cool. They constantly questioned themselves in doubted themselves. So you have Michelangelo fleeing thing when he is commissioned the Sistine Chapel because the task is just so daunting it doesn't think he can pull it off. You Have Martin Luther King Junior saying no I do not want to run the civil writes revolution. I don't WanNa be in any kind of position of influence in this movement. Because I'm trying to focus on my my job as a pastor And you know these are very consistently recently people feeling reluctance and questioning whether they can make it they also a lot of them. Were really slow to to get into pursuing whatever their their original pathways and so they had to have their arms twisted. They were often the latest movers. And some of them were even baked procrastinators and I just looked at that and said original thinkers are not that different from the rest of us. Yeah it's very encouraging and empowering to hear that none of these people were superheroes and that they also procrastinated I mean the classic take encouraging examples. Always like Ray kroc invented. McDonald's it well he franchise McDonald's and fifty two and as I've always said I'm nervous to get past fifty two because 'cause that'll no longer. We need someone older now you need to go to the physicists. Who Nobel Prize in their eighties threatened? He still hoped for me. Yeah but you do a great job of you're you're like Amateur Historian on Edison. Right like Edison is someone. You're obsessed with. Edison is such an interesting example here because I always thought of have him as one of these creative geniuses every idea he had took off yeah and he had a a thousand forty three patents while only six or seven of them had any any lasting impact on the world and there were so many duds along the way you look at the talking doll he created. It was so creepy that it scared adults not just kit saw. Aw Nowhere he tried to invent. Although maybe time Chucky a movie about I would not chuck out. But he he he just he consistently spent his wheels on things. That didn't work and you look at that as an example of saying. Wow if if one of the most prolific inventors in history had to fail that many times in order to get a few successes. It's good news for the rest of us. Yeah it's very encouraging you know. He was tenured at twenty eight years old. When Young Thomas? Edison what's your thoughts on tenure. You're obviously you like the you have it. Yes I plan to keep it. Yeah and do you think I think it's good for the protection of spreading ideas and freethinking and all that I'm kind of torn on it. There's a big experiment going on in Western Europe right now where you Yusei and professors to five to ten year contracts and the idea is then you give them a long runway so that they can really pursue big ideas. I can see that you know allowing wing for some degree of freedom of speech but I worry about it more in in areas. Where the work that you do Mike it politicized right you you think okay? I'm never going to get a job again if I voiced my opinions so I think it's really important for freedom where it's even more critical in some ways though is for attracting motivated kind of curious people into the field because I know when I was looking eh different jobs. One of the draws for me was at I as somebody who always felt financially insecure dead. Yeah that that I'm going to have a job for life and ah I'm GonNa have that sense of security. It convinced me to do that. As opposed to pursuing lots of other fields and I think that's true for a lot of professors and so I think I worry about the the loss of talent if we abandon it altogether sense. You know what's funny is do you know who ted Olson is. I don't think so I could be wrong about this but if I'm wrong he then he's the top three I think he's he's the most successful at trying cases in the Supreme Court. He Got Doma overturned but he also got citizens united upheld so so he. He's interesting because he's been on the left and the right and we had the unique pleasure of going to dinner with him at one point and he got into a little argument about tenure teachers the professors he thought it was Horse Shit and how I got him was I said. Will you believe in the appointment of the Supreme Court right that that should be a lifelong thing so that people can go against against popular mob mentality we need so what if someone I put. Of course they served it up to him on the right so if there's a professor somewhere in the physical sciences that discovers we we are not responsible for global warming that couldn't get out on liberal campuses unless there was tenured like if someone really discovered that they could not publish that they would get Friday if not for ten years so there are situations where it's like it serves a real purpose. Yeah and the history of science full if those examples yes of huge paradigm shifts shifts that seemed to unravel all of side Hernandez Galileo Darwin. Yes you four walls him yes you did. uh-huh okay another thing. I want you to talk about briefly because you're great at explaining. Is this notion that people humans in a workplace and I would argue just humans. uh-huh traveling through life should have this as manuals. Humans should come with a manual co workers. You should publish a manual how to use you in how how helpful that would be so. This is a relatively new idea for me so I hope the Ted podcast called work life and my original goal was to say okay. I spent a Lotta time teaching things I already know. Two people right. What if I could reverse that and pick the the most interesting people and workplaces at around and go in and try to learn learn from what they do differently a little bit like if you wanted workout tips? You should go to an Olympic athlete. And you're trying to make the Olympics but because they know more about that thing yes and so so one of the things that I did was I went to a consulting firm. Bain that has a long track record of building amazing teams and what they're especially good at is they bring groups of people together who've never met before and all of a sudden they produce an analysis of a problem for a client that redirects the strategy of their business or or something to that effect and so they have to get the teams up to speed very quickly without a lot of on boarding. So you might get a call from an insurance company in Kansas. Saying you know we need you to to rethink our strategy and you have to pull from all these different people. Some of whom are currently working in Puerto Rico on a hotel company trying to expand. Yes and so they have to get really good at at teaming and figuring out how strangers injures can work as if they're old friends yeah and one of the things they did was. They had a group of managers. Who said you know what he's you buy a new piece of technology it's GonNa come with some kind of manual manual to tell you how to operate it right? You would never expect a car to come without an owner's manual And last time I checked the human mind is at least as complex as anything you can buy and probably a lot more more complex. Yeah it's a what if what if we created a manual for for how to work effectively with me and so I've actually done it. Since then which was one of the outcomes of learning earning about it so I wrote my own. I said here's what brings out the best in me. Here's what brings out the worst in me and here's how to work most effectively with me. And then when I when I asked what were some of those what do you want to. No one will bring out the worst in you. That's easy I can guess what I think someone someone that would be loud and aggressive of any variety towards you to motivate. You like if I was a coach and I was coaching. I don't think yelling at you would be a good. How do you know that that's true? I hate that I can just feel it. Oh Oh yours oh man I had a whole thing about I've never heard you say that. I don't think you've said that on. I don't think I've ever admitted it before. Okay but yeah no I. I think this is part of being agreeable is I like to please other people and somebody's mad at me. I WANNA crawl into a hole. Yeah whereas if somebody's you know seeing my potential or valuing my work I cannot wait wait to do more to try to make them happy. I also would imagine I came at it more from your clearly. A very sensitive nice human being who really wants to make things better around around him and I I think that personality type where we grew up could have been easily subject to like overly masculine Alpha Energy. Yeah Yeah I think I think that's definitely a target for bullying. Yeah I think that's fair so you know it's funny now. I used to find it threatening and now I look at really that uncreative that the only way you can motivate me to start screaming at me yes but again you've acquired a lot of capital beate get intellectual degrees financial security. There's all these things now that you can go. No No. I'M NOT GONNA play that game. Yeah Yeah like you acquire era which is nice and hopeful. Although I think that I think I started learning it before any of those resources were available so I remember when I was working as a negotiator initiator people would come in and play good bad cop and at first it was what do I do. I'm just one person. There's this tough negotiator in front of me. Who's going to you? What kind of bullying me into making a bad deal? Yeah and finally okay. What do I know is as somebody? WHO's studying psychology about how to deal with these people? Well what you do is you. Label will the behavior very gently. And then you test your understanding okay and so I had a pair of negotiators come in and they launch right into the routine and I just started. It's smiling and one of them said what are you smiling. I said Oh it looks like you're playing good cop bad cop at the they didn't know what to say. Because sort of routine an EH tender camouflage off just the wind is out of the sale and I said look you know I I enjoy all kinds of games. I'm happy to play. Good cop bad cop in fact I will gladly give you my best bad cop impression because I feel like we don't have enough of those around here. Yeah personally. I'd rather figure out if there's anything that you can offer me. That will help me meet my goals. And if there's anything can offer you that will help you meet your goals and if you WanNa have that conversation great if you WANNA fight tooth and nail to see who. The tougher negotiator is. You're not going to like that version of me and it was so easy to have that conversation. Yeah yeah a boy. I've had similar ones where I go like. Look you got nukes. I got nukes. We could annihilate each other. Do we could do it. Let's do it I. I'm happy to do it or let's just get right to the part where we come to our senses. That's awesome well. It's funny when you were saying that people should have a manual. Well let me just ask. How does one get the best out of you? The best out of me I think comes from a few things number one use should be a self starter so I hate managing people hate holding other people accountable. I WANNA work with people who are who are intrinsically motivated and so you know. Reach out to me after you've you've you know if you don't know the answer to something you've shown you've done your homework and I'm really excited to say okay. Is there something I know that that could help. Whereas if you ask me a question that you could google the answer to you? Don't waste my time I think that that's been a clear theme. The other thing that went in there because I gave it to a bunch of people who worked with me and said can in your answer these questions about me without telling them what I thought and one of the things I learned was I had no idea whatsoever that this is kind of a Best Anna worse but one of the things that brings out the worst in me is when somebody has a solution that they present to me without explaining what the problem is. I There's there's a switch that gets flipped as a social scientists. Say Wait a minute. How do we know that's the right course of action and do you have a randomized controlled experiment? Do you have longitudinal study. And I I go into this sort of litigating mode of trying. To debunk their solution. And if they would just come in and say hey. Here's a problem. How would you think about solving it then? Really excited to roll up my sleeves right interesting. So what would go in your user manuals. I'm way better with positive feedback instead of like negative like. Just tell me what you want. Not What I did what I did wrong. Why is that like if I feel super confident? That's when I do my best. I don't do my best one. I'm scared I'm not making the boss. Happy and they knew my worse. I get self conscious. I start thinking about the camera. I started thinking about my lines. I you know by the way I I hear the agreeable bonus in their again person who gives a shit if I'm making the bus doing I'm doing my role I can be pushed to that point but but it's usually after we already. Starting the starting point got it. Okay and Monica. This is your chance to tell Dax how to bring out the best in you. Yeah I think I'm similar. I like validation. I like getting credit for things I'm doing but I'm gone. I don't I don't like that about myself so I kind of want that to be the answer but it is. I think yeah I think regardless. I'm doing the same work if I'm happy happy doing it. It's generally because I know that person realizes what I'm doing here if I feel like I'm going unseen and I'm still doing a lot of work which I'm going to still do. I'm in a bad mood and I have a bad attitude. Maybe resentments are starting possibly. Yeah so I I like like feeling seen. I don't think there's anything wrong with a little bit. I don't know that I would expect anyone that gold the HUG I. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And in fact if when I think about the team that I wanNA work with that. Those are the most delightful people to motivate. Because you know exactly what fires them them. Up as opposed to constantly guessing. Now what do you think about this one thing it. I found that when I was a boss I needed to get. I find that my mom has us too because I worked for my mom for years and I thought she was incredible boss in many many ways but we have the same trigger which is like I feel like. I'll give people a lot of rope because I want a lot a lot of autonomy and ownership over what I'm doing so I'm trying to give other people that same autonomy and ownership which is not really a taskmaster and I get get fucking pissed when they forced me to be one like actually it makes me angry at them like cut them it. Now you're GonNa make me be the person I don't WanNa be. which is again I think some level of codependence like it's important to me that they like me and now you force me to do something that I you know? I think that's your discomfort with sometimes sometimes having to go into a boss mode I don't think you like doing that so but sometimes you have to. You're the boss. And so there is a little but of well. Shouldn't you guys just figure this out without me. Because I don't want to be the person that has to come step in. But sometimes he got you and you're the the boss man well. I think it's interesting to me that when these kinds of situations crop up were I think part of the problem is that you're not you specifically but anybody in this situation but let's talk about you. You're focused on your own your own preference. As opposed to saying my job is a leader is to do whatever is going to to get the job done effectively and so I've got to be a little bit flexible and adaptable and say sometimes in order to be effective I have to let go of my identity or my values or right preferred way working and that when push comes to shove that's what happens right as you say. Okay I will. I will be the more demanding boss because I care about the quality of the work. Yeah and I think that for a lot of bosses if they would realize that upfront that it would bother them less. I think you're totally right. I think if you just went into going I'm going to have to adjust and I'm going to have have to manage each per having like being the parent of children. Basically I have two parent my girls differently very differently. Well it's funny because I think I think it depends on the job because in this case like in your case and Chris case they weren't trying to bosses and they visited in the position where they have to be so it's not like they they went to business school or they're trying to be the CEO. Don't go too. I think that makes a big difference. Difference people who want to be leaders and people who accidentally become one. I agree although I will say. I've a former doctoral student Daniel tossing who did her dissertation tation on this idea of the reluctance to lead at one of the things she found was that reluctant leaders were often the most effective leaders. I mean think about it. Do you want to be managed by somebody who wants to have power over other people you want to be managed by the person who has no interest whatsoever in that role so I think that in some ways that makes people more effective. Active managers is to say you know. I'm not in this because I want to be in charge. I'm in this because I have a skill set or I'm able to get people to follow me and we. He can produce something really great together and so if you've been brought in to work with sports teams. Yeah so I've been working with some coaches in GM's across cost the major sports in the US With colleagues to try to figure out. How do we draft players? Who are givers and also have the humility in grant to WANNA keep improving? Yeah and and then how do we also build that ethos in the team road has been a lot of fun. It was interesting because part of the reason I got interested in a lot of these topics was everything I ever studied. As an organizational psychologist you get to zoom in on it in sports sports team. Yeah and so I would see that there were there. Were certain players who were like Shane. Batty in basketball is such a great example. Shane name is the guy who basically championships Michigan guy won championships at every level. Duke National Championship team. He's the MVP gifts the NBA A.. And discovers that. He's not as physically talented as most of the people he's competing against. He's accused of being too slow he can't dribble and so what a shame into. Shane starts to steady basketball statistics and discovers among other things that there are certain spots on the court where Kobe Bryant misses most of his shots and so he ends up adding value to the team. By saying my job is to guard Kobe and force him to the one point on the court where he's GonNa break a bunch of shots now and you see see that and you think okay that that is the that's the mark of a giver. I'd say I I don't have to be the superstar on the team. I'm going to find the one role I can play to make the team better and the funny thing is Michael. Lewis wrote a great article about this. He called Shane the no stats all star. Because he's he doesn't that's hard to evaluate really hard. We don't measure a lot of those contribution. Yeah I think in sports a lot but you see this in all kinds of workplaces you have people who elevate the team but there's no way to track what they're contributing yes yes it's not super tangible which is frustrating to me e yeah unjust now. Do you ever get imposter syndrome. And or or panic with the notion that you're being asked to solve a very nearly impossible thing to solve like you're coming in and they're going okay this person and is supposed to know how to make all work cohesively in. That's a very big undertaking that. It's just a very daunting task. Do you ever go like. Oh boy can I cash the check my ass just wrote I've never said that Not Quite like like that. I think the way it plays out is sometimes. I'll get contacted by people who have just. They've accomplished so much that it's hard for me to imagine that anyone knows was anything that they don't know right or that you know. I belong in the same room as them even. Yeah but then the thing that that occurs to me pretty quickly is to say okay. Hey you know. What are the cool things about organizational psychology? Is I know nothing about any particular organization but I see the same patterns happen in so many different collaborations I mean yeah and I also have this massive library of evidence that can give me a framework data points to say. Oh we'll have you tried this because we've we've tested this and and three other organizations and here's what happened. How do you think this would play out for you? There's a set of resources available there that they make it easy to be helpful but yeah I've definitely felt that I think one of the clearest times was working with Google and they said okay. We want you to talk for a global team. And you're going to speak right after Larry Page and your our question is if the organisational psychologists ran google. What should we do differently? I studied this. I never would have built google. Yeah Ah but then I think okay. We'll Larry Sergei engineers and they've never studied organizational behavior. And there's actually a lot that we know that might be relevant to them and so all of a sudden like oh I do things to say about this Yeah so is it more like in many cases for lack of a better better way to say it. Is it easier. Identify the negatives than to identify the positives in that it's easier to see what potentially is broken than it is to see what could be infinitely helpful that make any sense. Yeah it does know that. I've seen a big difference there so in the the Google case one of the things that striking to me was almost every great leap that they had made did was the result of a collaboration. So maybe I think g mail was invented by a sole engineer but otherwise it was either a dynamic duo or whole team and they came up with their their biggest I innovations and yet they hire individuals they promote individuals they fire individuals and add. Read all this research on. How if you WANNA take a team seriously? You might want to question that and say well. What if we actually if team did great work we promote the whole team? What if we ran a lift out and we found successful team from another organization and instead of hiring the one person we thought it was star there we brought in the whole team which seemed like a good idea because there's evidence both from Wall Wall Street analysts and also from cardiac surgeons that if they leave their team's performance drops dramatically even if thought to be individual superstars? Well in isn't even those goes to Larry and Sergei or whatever they themselves are like crazy famous team right they. They're much greater than the sum of their parts. That was that was the thought. And so you know you look at that that and you say we'LL I. I actually see the kind of the strength and the weakness at the same time. which is you have these moments of greatness but you're not organizing your company to unleash them as often as you could right and so let's talk about how we could do that? And then Google ended up doing a big study of what may their high performing teams different from the rest and then training all of their managers across the whole company to try to improve the performance of those who are struggling. Yeah to super cool. It's very cool. Are you familiar with the structure of Aa a little a bit. Not as familiar as you are. Okay I find a way to have some crazy magic sauce in that. It is an organization organization of sorts. Right and it's been around for. I don't know seventy eight years now. There's no leaders. No one's in charge. No one knows more than anyone else in the thing thrives and has results for some segment of the people that try it right. I've often been curious. Why nothing's modeled modeled after it? The thing is is anyone in organizational psychology world interested in the fact that this thing has existed in a pretty peaceful state in performing Lena task but without any fascinating I have not seen anyone. Ask that question. Okay because to me when I look at religions and stuff yeah I think it's almost a waste of time to kind of figure out whether they are implicitly. Better or worse or Florida. I think we're always seen is the human element in any organization sation. Yeah that has been empowered and then exploits that and then you know. The system seemed to all kinds of erode or corrode around that empowerment of a member. Yeah so I can think of to places where we we study. Things that are similar one would be in in studying strong cultures and how you create an organization where everyone agrees on what the values are and they're so passionate about them that they actually enforce them near to peer as opposed to needing some boss to control them right and then the other replace. We study this is in self management so actually I did a podcast episode where I went to a company that has really gone to the extreme on this I was interested. Sit In could we create a world without bosses so I went to this tomato paste. Company called Morningstar where they produce something like a quarter of the tomato paste in America and they make hundreds of millions of dollars a year. They've been running for thirty years and they've never had a single boss. Wow God does that work that be real and it turns out that one of the things that happens when you arrive there is. You're given the job description of the person who did your role before you and then after you do it for a little while you get to rewrite the job description and all you have to do is explain here the tasks I want to do. And here's how they advance the mission. You take that to the five to ten people that you have to work most closely with and then if they approve it you've just reinvented your own job. And so they consistently evolving that you noted there promoting themselves in a certain way. Yeah and no I mean looms. Last time you saw job description that was actually written for with one person who was doing it at that moment. Rise a great way to let people keep customizing their work and then you're reviewed on whether you follow through by your peers on all of your commitments. And and how does he behaved people. How do they decide who gets passed? They vote is a company based on your contribution which is remarkable. What hiring and firing they all all decide they all agree on hiring when it comes to firing? Can I ask how many employees are there because I could see this getting logistically impossible. How many they have right now? They grow a lot during the kind of the season and then they shrink in the off season hundreds if not thousands okay and one of the things they do for firing is. If I think you're doing a bad job I would say you know Dax you're not living up to the commitments you made so I think you're still leave and then you can either agree and leave or you can say no I disagree and then if if we disagree we actually would then appoint a we agree on a group of neutral mediators. Alcoa come and talk to us. And then they'll give us their opinion but you still have the chance to agree or disagree and if you still reject eventually the whole company would vote on it and they might bring in the founder to make the final decision all my down. I'm not saying every organization you work this way but when I think about a this is Kinda the closest yes model I can think of. And there's the same level of individual ownership rate that you said. Hey these are the steps that I want to take and then you expect that other people will hold you accountable for that yet. The only thing there is this book. It's the only asset of ASO's. Does this book that everyone seems to agree as they should follow but he had is. It just fascinates me that the guy who has six hours of sobriety is just as much much of an authority on. That book is a guy with thirty years. No hierarchy there sponsors right which you choose. Yeah you're still picking picking someone who you think has a little bit more experience in sobriety than you. Yeah Yeah you're supposed to find someone who has what you want so that you can get. Yeah they they have. I think this needs to be studied from an organism. I really do. I think there's something because when I get in fights with people about their particular religion I'm like there's gates like why why does some echelon have information that everyone else doesn't. I don't understand Christians. There's a there's a text. Why would one person understand the text more than another person wiser a guy with a robot telling me what the text says? It's right there. It's not like hidden. It's not even the Torah that you're you know now the irony understand it in somehow I always end up bringing into that. Okay lastly I I know the name of it. I'm not GonNa ask you so work life podcast. How often does that come out? Because I want people to listen to that. Oh thank you. That's very kind of you. We do ten episodes year. Oh okay that's manageable. Yes very manageable. So I pick the topics that I'm most excited to dig into and I picked the people who I think have mastered them and the workplaces that are doing them differently and then try to figure out how we can all make work suck a little bit less. Oh that's fantastic work life in where you had in your seasons. So we've done two seasons and were in pre production season three right now okay great so. When will that come out? You don't know February. It looks like February okay. Great lastly I read your article and it's really funny because now that we've been talking for two hours. I agree with nearly everything you said. You didn't know when I read. Stop trying to raise successful kids. which already I love the title? which is in the Atlantic? Is it right now. I feel like it was the December issue. Okay Stop trying to raise successful kids. There were a couple of things in here that I was like. I don't know that I agree with your. I love the statement. Let's to start there because I think the notion of success we've had we had a really great guy who teaches at Harvard. Come in and talk about what is success and I like challenging the notion of success I think fulfilment elements should be in that mix. I think there's a lot of things that we don't consider when we think of what a successful person so that already. I love my wife and I fight about this. We're in a current debate. We have ever made a decision but we have an ongoing debate or my daughter. The oldest one loves to dance. She's clearly got some kind of skill for and she goes. We should get. We should put you in classes. And I'm like what is she just likes to dance or what if that's it. What does this have to have a next stage? Can She just like the dance. I don't know if I'm right or wrong. Word Cord still on the debating phase of it. No decisions have been made but part of me goes no. That's the whole thing gathering class. Then she goes to another level then all of a sudden there's Evaluated now this thing. That's just as joyful thing. I don't know so anyways so the title. I really like. Tell me why you wanted to write your. Obviously the father of three kids adds up. Probably as part of the explanation. Yes so my wife Allison and I have been trying to figure out. How do we raise kids? Who are givers We want our kids to be kind and carrying. Yeah and I got an about that a lot after giving take like I duNNo. I study adults at work. Let me think about children. Don't want to be one of those psychologists who screws up our kids. Oh yes but Eventually we just about a year ago we decided we were going to write a children's book which which just came out? It's called the gift inside the box. Oh great and that's all right now. Yeah just just out and we were just talking a lot about okay. You know the the process of writing the book for US was about a mysterious gift box that that is kind of grabbed by all these entitled Kids Moore used to Amazon packages arriving at their door. Of course that's for me. Yeah and eventually the The gift box wants to go to the kid who wants to gift it to someone else and so we were talking about almost like a zone episode could be very well could but we were talking a a lot about okay. How do we take the ideas? We were trying to communicate in this book and teach them to our kids and really instill them and so I've been reading a lot of the research. Alison had been disagreeing agreeing with various points in the research. And eventually we said you know what one of the biggest problems is that parents think that in order to be a high achieving kid you have to to be totally self absorbed or self focused and even parents who don't think that we live in a society where you know you the questions you ask dinner are about. What grades did you get? How many goals did you score? I love that part and thank you and we. We never really thought to ask. Who did you help today? And who did you. WHO WHO? Who helped you to show that we care about these values and so I think that it just seems like a lot of parents don't know how to make that a priority They don't know how to teach their kids to be inclined and concerned about others and so without all right. Let's let's sit down and see if we can explain what we've been learning and trying to practice. What what did you disagree with? Okay so one of the things I I found triggering. I'll use the word Okay in some parenting circles for example. There's a movement against intervening when preschoolers are selfish in their play. These parents worry that stepping in might prevent kids from learning to stick up for themselves and say that they're less worried about the prospect of raising adult who doesn't share than one who struggles to say we know what I disagree with your interpretation of why not intervene so my kids go to preschool. We don't intervene. The whole goal that preschools conflict conflict resolution. So have you come in yell at me. Mike Stole Your Shit. I'll say did you tell Mike you don't want your stuff so so I won't intervene but not for the reason I I'm afraid my kids. It's not gonNA stick up for himself just because I want them to leave with the skill set so you're trying to teach self reliance and conflict resolution active dialogue because they're going to be in a million million conflicts. And if I solve them all or I come in and go you should have been sharing. You should intuitively want to share your thing. I feel like that's a little too much to ask of a a four year old. Got It and I also think that's not actually my goal. My goal is to force them to sort this out and if it starts going off the rails and people get physical. Of course I'll get involved it just shy of that. I'm good with that I I love I would love it if If every kid got got that opportunity because I I also I think it's all as the tattletale problem Have to learn to confront each other directly. Yeah the movement that that we were reacting to you specifically is parents saying you shouldn't teach kids to share air because if they don't wanNA share then they're learning to kind of assert their own boundaries. Know about you you teach kids that they can stand up for themselves and share our you teach kids that not everything in life is zero sum and that when you let one of your friends play with a toy oy that's not some cosmic loss for you. They've just one and gotten ahead right you just you let them experience the joy of playing with your toilet and then you're going to get it back. Yeah and so we were just reacting to the idea that you know that that sharing is somehow a sign of weakness. US It gets ridiculous. Yeah okay I completely agree with that. I got to give because I was harsh on my wife about her having Ego i WanNa say God bless her she's raising our kids Because she does all these weird things where she's like just try once if someone likes the toy and offer it to them when they leave and so my kids have got to experience this the joy of having given someone joy which I don't don't know that I would have had that instinct in so they've had a bunch of practice now of like making people's Day now. I think we have another problem where they try to give everything away. It's pretty damn cute. So sweet very sweet and I think it's easier to adjust from that then to say I raised entitled Selfish Kid and now I got to change their values right. Okay now. Here's another one first of all. I've loved the article so I'm only say they won't admit to the fact that I read it like a horoscope genevieve will read horoscopes. It's like the things that they want to be true. They find and then they just kind of shovel way dealer so all this stuff that confirm my own point of view I was like oh I love and I was just kind of jealousies of the eighth graders. Leaders with the greatest academic achievement moreover are not the ones who got the best marks five years earlier. They're the ones who were rated most helpful by their third-grade classmates and teachers So I imagine that is a true statistic. I don't challenge statistic but I do remember reading an article about creative. Kids are the hardest on teachers. They're the most difficult. They're challenging this yaw that you're laying in front of them and again me as a challenger. I was like wait a minute. Of course of course kids who teachers like more. Do better in school. Because they're going along with the program Got It so I kind of a knee jerk like. Yeah so the there is evidence that the most creative kid in class is the least likely to be the teacher's pet right there. I never knowing the program. Stop raising your hands. Not You taking us off schedule. So this effect has been replicated a few different times and sometimes it's done with pure ratings of helpfulness as well. Okay so I would think about creativity. Access is separate from the helping or kindness access. Okay and what we're seeing. Is that the kids who are are helpful. Either because they have the natural instinct or because they've been taught to be that way who knows. A few things are happening number one. They have a purpose for learning. That goes beyond just their own immediate personal goals. They can say okay. The more I learn the more I can can share with other people and that sort of connects them to community as opposed to feeling isolated and that's motivating for them. A second thing that's happening is when they spend all this time I'm helping others. They're actually improving their own learning and we we all know that the best way to learn something is to teach it and so these kids are actually doing themselves a favor by explaining inning stuff to their classmates and kind of trying to fill the gaps in their understanding. Yeah and I think you can do all that. And also be the creatively disruptive kid okay. I like to be helpful but I also want to march to the tune of my own drummer. who were I okay? Great does all this support this kind of notion that there is a approach for kids. There seems to be a little bit out of a desire for people to create the perfect kind of person kid. And what I argue sometimes is that no oh and this is again a frame it another way too. I often get frustrated with Republicans and Democrats that they actually think that if the whole country was either Democratic or Republican that would be a perfect country. I argue no. We totally need each other to reach some rational middle ground. So doesn't the world needs Steve. Jobs was and mother Theresa. Isn't that what this world requires for us to function. Don't we need some asshole selfish fucker. We don't okay tell me why so. Okay Steve Jobs if he were less of an asshole would even kicked out of his own company in the Mid Nineteen Eighty S. How much more could apple have done between eighty five and ninety seven? Maybe Steve Jobs need to go off and take a different perspective and refreshes thinking maybe he needed to evolve and become a little bit more mature and a little bit less. That's nasty actually. I talked to Walter Isaacson about this so he interviewed what two hundred people who were closely with jobs knew him well the guy who wrote the black and he said the most consistent insistent theme was people said Steve Jobs could have been kinder That it would cost him nothing to show a little bit more respect to other people and they would have worked that much harder for him because they felt like he was giving them credit. They felt like they were valued and loved. And I think that when people say well you know Steve Jobs look at all the success he achieved but he was an asshole. I would say yeah. He achieved a lot of that success. Not because he was an asshole but in spite of his ASS Hillary in insistence dynamics hammocks. There's a term Equa finality which is clunky but it means many eight routes to the same end okay and any complex system by definition as Equa Final all right. You're you're in a maze. As opposed to a tunnel okay and so if you think about that okay well one way to be you know to have extremely high standards is to be a tyrant different. Yeah but that's not the only one and I think we all have lots of degrees of freedom to say okay. What are the different ways that I could achieve this goal and I would love to see more people say all right? You shouldn't idolize Steve Jobs. You should idolize a specific value or a specific skill or behavior that he had and I think his you know he had a superpower are it was clearly obsess I mean he was obsessed with perfection. The hit the probably the highest standards of anybody in his industry and so great. Let's take that and now let's figure out all the different ways we can make those standards of reality in in our own lives. Give because there's does seem to be this weird equation where it requires one person. Listen to go. No it's possible and everyone else goes. No it's impossible. There's naturally going to be friction when you talk about a lot. In your first book there is friction in that but it does require one person to hold firm and go no. It's possible and I just got to get you all buy into that by Hook or crook. I don't I'm not the best strategies you do that your profession but is there room for someone to be going. No it's possible you must join me and still be kind and it's always hard for me to to take specific examples because I think most human beings are flawed. Sure and you know anybody that I say was a great giver. You'll find a moment. Where they they probably seemed more like a taker or they were had a perverse sexual life? Ya Lots of ways to disqualify someone. Yeah and then. They're canceled and I never hear from them again. I would I would rather do is say. Let's look at the evidence and so one of my favorite studies looks at CEO's of computer hardware it's offer companies and you can either get them rated by their CFO's on whether they put other people's needs above their own whether they care about their own teammates mate's wellbeing as opposed to just profits or you can also look at indicators of whether they're takers like do they have giant photo themselves and the company's annual report do they pay themselves a lot more than everybody else in the company. Do they talk about the company's success using words like I in me and when you do that what you see. Is that the takers actually. Their companies have more fluctuating volatile performance. So they're overconfident. They tend to swing for the fences. They take huge risks. That you're lucky for awhile. Yeah sometimes is it pays off in the long run. They end up making systematic mistakes and they lose they bleed talent. Because if you're a star you don't WanNa work for a taker forever and screw this. I'M GONNA go work for somebody great whereas the givers have much more sustainable long term performance they earn loyalty. Even there people leave they start referring other people they often boomerang and will return and people feel like okay. I'm working here for not only a mission. I believe in but a person I believe in and I look at that evidence I say okay. We see that across hundreds of companies. I don't need one individual role model. WHO's an amazing giver? I have is the experiences of lots and lots of people cumulated and and that tells me it's it's very possible I think a lot about Have you do you know radios work at bridgewater no on on radical transparency and idea. Meritocracy this is so spent a lot of time studying this hedge fund that spin wildly successful and one of the things they do is they say. Look it's actually a a mark of of caring about someone to challenge them because it says I believe in your potential and I care about your success. I done a podcast episode there on how to love criticism I would love to learn them love cruise or at least to crave it even. If you don't love me yeah yeah Knowing you need it but the big thing I took away from that was they had bill the whole culture where they said. Look if you say something nasty about a person behind their back. You're doing them a disservice. Because there's a potential learning opportunity that you're depriving them of uh-huh and so if they catch you backstabbing someone. They will take you in front of that person and say please front stab them. So then they can. They can find out what the feedback was. Yeah and they've done that with the entire your company buying in to say no one has the right to hold a critical opinion without speaking up about it. If we all follow that principle we can say look. I think you did a really really crappy job today and you know here are the ways that you could be better and I could hear that and say that's coming from somebody who's like a sports coach. Yeah they're trying to help me improve. Yeah Yeah and I I would love to see more collaborations work that way. I guess if it's happening to everyone would hopefully taking personal it. Also one of the things you learn to do there as you learn. I'm to give yourself a second score so when somebody goes to to criticize you you say all right look. They've already given me the D. minus catching. I can't suddenly convinced them that I deserved in a minus right all I can do. I can say I'm going to try to get an a plus for how well I took the D. minus right and I'm actually evaluated in my performance reviews on whether I can take critical feedback have an incentive to say. Hey whatever whatever problems you have with me bring it on and I know that my success here whether I get promoted whether I get paid it depends on showing that I can take that that learned for me to me. That's a dream employ. Amazing I mean what. What more could you want in an employed and someone that's like open to change and you're not GonNa shut down so in that spirit? I have a rule that whenever I whether I'm GonNa Stage or whether I'm working with someone new I I always ask what's the one thing I can do better and so you can either tell me now or when you do your fact check later you can do it and I'll listen to find. Find out what you said. I'm not blowing smoke up your ass. I literally can't Iraq lame to. You're not helping me so you're definitely not to give her. Ah something we'll all have. I think rob can probably come up with something I'll help it. They'll wear the big tee. The scarlet T- taker in all seriousness. I think this is such an important practice because here I am interacting with two people. You've spent thousands of hours now right listening to lots of different people talk. You have a ton of wisdom about what it takes to be interesting and insightful. And if I don't learn something from you dude then I have failed in part of my job as somebody who learns for a living as you're GONNA you're GonNa have to decompress because currently I'm just like this was a great fucking Inter Y.. Yeah I know when we have a great lead true and there are always areas of it. Maybe Jordan's cheesy easy. We have virtually the exact same style complains. You're biceps are fucking gorgeous. I see some vascular hitting the weight room. Everything's he's looking good We'll add them. We're so glad to have gotten to finally talk to you because we've talked about you so often we will continue to do so. That's a treat to be here after listening and enjoying so many episodes. Oh good until please check out. He and his wife's Children's book which is called the gift inside the box. The gift inside the box and then listen to work life podcast which is exciting and then also get yourself into the wharton business school so you can take a class with them. I hope you you are in teacher. Heaven over there and I hope everything's going exactly how you would hope because I'm so excited by your work and it's really fun to have you vacate l'ennemi hair so I feel pretty lucky. Okay great please come back and talk to us again when you write another article and I'll try to poke holes in it and he'll tell me to make you regret that okay and now my favorite part of the show. The fact check with my soul mate. Monica Batman Oh l. come onto the armature experts. It really bothers you. Let's get real. It actually bothered you know no no no it. Doesn't it doesn't blanket Louis. Okay but sometimes I feel like when you start on these things. There's just no end in sight. Well it feels very inward like. I'm not here when you're doing that. You're gauging with me. You're on your own ride side of doing you know I'm actively trying to make you laugh. I'm trying to think of words that you would laugh at. I said Yeah I said like GITA play it makes sense. 'cause nobody struck Atelli on a play and called a strategy Attila. So all of it is to make you laugh. No no but it's it doesn't feel like there's join in. I guess. Serve any accents of mine that you know I like it. I like it. Always unserious to there are accents. You lie like it when you do an eye makes it does make me laugh but then I feel like it goes on and on in awe ooh on its volume quantity over quality quality the quality issue at all quantity little that just a little bit because I do I can neto the neat though do okay. Hey Great Chow Bella and put that on the shelf now. Okay okay. Great Adam Grant. I'm in love. I'm in love me to join the ranks. Eric Topol. Yes yes. He's already emailed him as many times. I've emailed Eric told you kind of stuff. Are you sending well. He's connecting us with so. How many other experts and I just WANNA tease one of them for real dream Gala? We've been vocally wanting for two years. Had Him on he he was fantastic. Yeah No. He knows everybody in the intellectual sphere in the world of academia in the he knows everyone. He's very connected yet very humble. Oh my God you're not gonNa find a level of humility with his with his the credentials. Exactly what a humble guy and he seems very normal when he comes in he doesn't have an heir to him at all even though he's from West Bloomfield or the rich people are from right right. Yeah he didn't trigger any my rich people stuff. He emailed me ice cream. He mailed you ice cream stretchy tele scheduling. How as a thank God we? That's crazy because we were begging begging to have him on but he wanted to be onto. Here's my thing I think. Think of considering things I don't have time to execute them. Yeah I mean I think there's different mindsets it's I think it's more switching of a mindset like it's not even an option for him not to do it he's not thinking like do I have time is just like this is what I do. I wondering does even assist in. He said Send Ma ice cream to rob ordered online to online. Now it's getting more reasonable. I rice and bought a cooler. Fuck and we had someone way at the Goddamn post office. I don't think he did I do Ooh. That most people can't do that. I don't think he did that but if he was doing that. He has some other time management strategy that I could really benefit from. I know but listen I first of all. I don't the as an assistant because he responds all my emails immediately. And so humble. He's a humble and he is cute as hell to so cute but it's still like he had the thought to do something nicer than he executed thaw immediately. He didn't put it on a To-do list. There's something to be learned here from him and I don't know what it is back on just to ask them how to be considerate thoughtful. Ever as everyone knows by now yes yes he is he. He asked to give him criticism and we didn't we so we will give it to him on the fact check requiring. It's we have to do it but isn't it possible that I'm I don't have a criticism of somebody. Yeah but he said that's bullshit and not fair to him and he and I love that attitude. I do too but like you. You can watch. I watch beyond facing one plus one on American idol. I don't have any criticism for that. I mean flawless. Things happen right. They do they do they do but he he wants it so that he can grow. I don't think that's good and I'm GonNa give him one okay. Great yes so mine is that I think because we've been in touch through email and he always responds very quickly and very thoughtfully. This feels was like such a good courtesy. I just hope I hope. He's not sacrificing his own life and his own time and his own needs for other people's needs site although he says he says he enjoys it so I I don't know I mean I believe believe him but I get nervous when someone is so giving. They're sacrificing their own stuff and that's just my fear. snarly snarly a furnace. Well then yeah mine would just be a suggestion of like Make sure your question whether you're narrative is taken over like I said this about Jay Leno I get the fact that he's a guy who's never swimming pool and doesn't take vacation but that becomes something you say to people and then the result is you don't ever go on vacation Asian or swimming pool with don't think is advisable but understand how so so Adams premises givers succeed. So he's got to walk the walk. Yeah but I would just ask them the challenge his own narrative occasionally. That's our criticize. It can be dangerous when you identify yourself with a concept because it doesn't leave a lot of room for just change right like he's declared at a young age I don't know what ag was when he wrote that book but let's he's thirty six and he declares this is the way to live. Yeah and then what then. There's no changer right of evolution. That maybe maybe figured it out at thirty six kind of sounds like he did so you might have in presentation and the way communicates and his ideas. I don't have any criticism for that. Yeah and then he again. He walks the walkie connected us with all these people that we love and we've had some successful books and children's book is truly phenomenal. Aw Favorite Book. We voted the kids in here. I would have to know more about his personal life. Well no I don't think he's asking for criticism on that. Well all one thing I think in some way it's all one thing we know that's true in a way I'm sorry rem. I I liked everything so I'm GonNa stick to what we just said he's too he needs to make sure he's meeting his own needs before before meeting others by putting his life mask on i. I don't know if he's doing that right. Because it would appear that it'd be very easy to get codependent with that in order which is like. I need people to think I`Ma give her very need be I want people to. I don't know but again I don't. I don't know that he's paying any price. It's probably just great. Holly is but that's our criticism. Email fat too fast and we appreciate it. We were super grateful and we loved. You WanNa talk to you like every. Yeah I wish to me that would be the criticism like Oh yeah. I'd be cool. If he came came back in a year. Now I'd be cool. Became next week tells me tells me I have no criticism. It would be a delight to have him back every right to have him as a member of the podcast. So maybe the criticism is. He's too likable. He's not a member of our podcast. Yeah that's so. My criticism is he's not here enough. Yeah did you think. His publisher flew out here. I don't know the question because could be a criticism like maybe he should've asked to pay for his trip or something. I would want to reimburse him if he flew out here to talk to us and he and we own the money for the ice cream and the books him for money so much money. That's her criticism. Adam give us a bill. Yeah we we haven't got your bill yet. Your lay on. Yeah Oh he needs to definitely use square could really help voice. Yeah Join Square atom. That's what I'm mad about okay. So some facts poops poop poop sees a drop Djirak than the toilet now. We've united had a little evolution in our friendship in that farting around you more. Yeah are you gonNa let me smell them. That's right I'm not there yet. Definitely not there yet. How do I feel about that? I feel two things I feel happy. Okay great first and then I feel excluded. No no smell. Well Yeah I feel actually I it from the smell then I feel feel happy then I feel like oh I guess he just doesn't really care anymore about. I know you wanna both ways one was like. I don't trust the enough too far around you and then soon as I did is that I don't care about what you think about. Yeah that's right formation is now. It's it's because you don't let me smell it that I know it's not that you're so comfortable. Well now what I won't even do. I wouldn't do this in front of my family. I would only do it in front of air. Weekly he is. I have a very specific vic reaction when I eat a lot of onion rings which was discovered in seventh grade on the bus ride to Mir junior high and Aaron and I were in the back of the bus fucked up the whole? Oh my God. It was definitely if I'm like career Bart's it was terrible. It was it was. I remember it still. It was an act of terrorism. Oh and I I was embarrassed by an even was like that's too much for kind of a situation Jewish but it wasn't an accident or on purpose. I didn't know it was going to be stink yen way. It's very specific and so I will pretty much. I would only do that in front inherent. Because he's a disgusting man just like me. I mean he is so disgusting in the way I'm discussing so it's Kinda like more now now both gross. That one was My mother which you know we didn't have junk food. We just within the budget but on this rare occasion occasion she brought home one of those big bags of frozen onion rings and I just put them all on a baking sheet and cook them all and I ate a couple pounds. I loved it. I couldn't stop myself. Wow and I just didn't know that was going to be the outcome now. I've right so I've never eaten him in that quantity. I don't think Sam Okay if you notice now when we go somewhere that has onion rings up in four or five of them. I won't get my order of fearful. You were burned. I was Burma onion rings. Wow Okay so he said that he was barely good enough to get on harvards diving team but then we had another guest on knows Adam who said that. He's a phenomenal diver Huey. Currently he's still an exceptional diet. He dove recently and it was very impressive. Also you know what I would like to talk to him about about but I don't WanNa make him uncomfortable. Is You know. I'm a student of the Olympics. And what I'm specifically student of is like what activity gives you the most rock and bod and is you know for me for my money that sprinters. Yep that's the sand volleyball players. It's the GODDAMN divers. The male divers have crazy goodbye. I mean leeward. Subjective but muscular annely. Yes it's nice almost gymnast's Miss Bodies. which kind of makes sense? I guess the rotating in the air that requires so much abdominal is all in the APPs but they also have really nice but cheeks six. The Olympics are coming up so excited Tokyo. Twenty twenty. Doubt you'll even have let me snowsuit so My friend Rutledge Rutledge. Who you met the other night? Yeah will use in town covering some Olympic style. Oh yeah you know. They do those stories before they get taste. Yeah so I guess he was in town filming one of those ally and he said. Do you want to go to Tokyo Olympics Mike it should we go to the Tokyo Olympics. Maybe oh I would love to okay. Maybe we should go. Although I kind of like watching it we we could watch it in our hotel room. We go there and then we stand that we had a couple of events that we were gonNA spectate okay but then the ones we thought would play you better on TV. We'll watch those. I like this idea to stay at the park. Hyatt scene of the lost in translation. ow What did it sound. Time the time to be allies. Unlike a time okay. So he's a super taster And it's super taster. which we didn't really get into if you have more than thirty taste buds in a space the size of a Hole Punch on your tongue Then you're super taster. So you can test it by cutting out a piece in counting the buds you cut out a hole punch circle okay and then you put on your tongue and then you count you. Count the piece of paper on your the account. The tea buds. You won't be able to see them under the Patriots to the other deals. You outline out there you go either the outline or put the piece of paper on your tongue and then outline it with a felt pen. No don't do that for sharpies for breakfast. There are super tasters. Average tasers non tasters. Oh I see what you're supposed to punch a standard notebook whole into a clean piece of plastic or wax the paper and put it on the front tongue that way you can see through it. The whole the dots talk. But it didn't sound like it was a pleasurable thing you you'd think being able to taste things better would be would be nice but it sounds like a detriment to his life. He doesn't like chocolate. There's my critique get some taste buds removed. Yeah so you can enjoy chocolate and coffee chocolate. I've been wanting chocolate. Donut for days. Too Long yes ray. KROC was fifty two too good right about that left handed. People make up ten percent of the population as you said. We were talking about left-handed people on on our own couple of months ago and what we realized what we saw was left handed people. The percentage of them is varies aries drastically amongst different countries that was fastened which I thought was fascinating and I think what they were saying was in some countries. It's considered bad. Had left handed so they kind of force these kids at a young age to deal with the program to start writing with the right hand. Even if that's not what there's you know naturally good at or my favorite teachers in college was a German professor who taught geography couple. Different Cool classes with with him and He's he'd say the weirdest stuff to me. He liked me in some weird way like we had some weird connection stench. We'll one was. I was allowed to use a word processor. Assertive take written tests so that I could spell check because I was labeled dyslexic in so I said I need extra time. So I get the spelling right and he goes. Oh I I sink doc. The opposite is true which is his way of saying he throws smart. Need extra time which I liked but one time he just walked by me knows I was writing and he goes when I was a child. They would hit your hand with a ruler. Very hard you would not right like this and I was like. Oh Oh he was not permitted to right left and so in nineteen fifties Germany in Germany. The rate of left handedness. This is nine point eight. Three percents The whole thing is do you feel like one in ten people that you meet are left handed. I don't groups of friends and we talk about it. I guess. Charlie's left handed. I mean people. Are you sound like you're the first person I've been the worst. I hate it. I wanted to be one percent trees a toll I wish it was like point zero one percent. I know you gathered around to watch me write a letter. So families lefty they are all the my two sisters and my mom are lefty. Oh I should be hanging out with them but mostly the your sisters sisters in your mom and I should put on public shows where we right with our left hand people stand here. Love take suggestions like eight. And then we make an a Oh my God wow people would applaud and cheer. Oh Boy Okay Ted Olson I. I don't think he's the most successful at trying cases in the Supreme Court I found a bunch of other people's and then there were some less but he wasn't on any of the it wasn't isn't historical figures in the modern era modern era. But it doesn't mean it's not as incredibly successful. where he he is and he you know he worked for George Bush? I would love to interview him we should he. He is illustrated points. That I just would not have thought of. I don't think the way he does. Yeah it's a very convincing person. Adam just reminder. He's the one that taught us about Equa finality finality our new favorite word. We're we'RE GONNA use it Excessively in twenty twenty we used it a lot one day and then we forgot to use it ever again. But we'll try to bring it back your yeah will end up there Equa. Finality see what you did. We will end up there. So that's a one of our resolutions. I guess in Twenty Twenty Issues Equa finality everyday. Yes with reckless abandon. 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Night Terrors

I Survived...Now What?

32:53 min | 2 weeks ago

Night Terrors

"The opportunity to. Goodness African. The way that my three process what had happened to me just feeling like I feel myself like how could I know? Coming after me. Thank you. Welcome everybody to another episode of I survived now what? There's a lot going on your mind right now. Probably maybe not who knows of where I've been and I I like to say that no I did not go do guys I happen to lose the microphone that I purchased in order to do these podcasts and now recording for my iphone. So that's one two I got. Into relationship that took a lot of my time and. I kind of just poured myself into that. And stop doing my own stuff and so that's reason number two and reason number three is that I just don't have the time to edit because school started and I'm also setting for my L. Sat. and. There's just a bunch going on. But I don't want to nine post videos. So with that being said from here now, until the end of the season should be ten episodes. All of my episodes are going to be unedited, which means that you're going to have to hear lots of oems pauses breaks. You're going to hear Bailey a lot more not going to edit out. Her neediness. And the episodes might be a little bit longer. So today's episode is supposed to be on night terrors. That's what I promised. Like six weeks ago and I started editing the first version of this episode but I don't have time to finish it in. So I'm just GonNa Redo it. It's quicker that way to just Redo it and post US tonight. So, rape before I intended to post this episode I, put a video up on my instagram story. On. Be At least being needed. I put a video up on my instagram story saying you know I'm going to need an extra week before I post in episode because I'm about to face one of my biggest fears and I did that so yet. Barely, saw. So. The biggest fear that I confronted that weekend was. Green. Water which I know probably sounds so strange but. One of my biggest fears. Let me start this off I am petrified of three animals. The biggest one are crocodiles then bears and then sharks. and. The reason for this is because when I was raped, I was really young and I lived in Florida and so I appreciated the memory of Florida and my fears of the animals in Florida with the rape and because I was so young when it happened to me my, you know clearly a six year old's brain isn't fully developed and so just might cognitive processing in my ability. To process what had happened was done through a child Lens, the not in Adult Lens in. So for me, all of those images mean the same thing if I see a crocodile, I am immediately triggered. If I see anything related triggered. So I'm kind of go into what might tears are like the nightmares that I get and also where the background comes from in associating. Those animals with my fears? And then also why face them so let me actually get to the Y. How faced my fear part. I went tubing in the Delaware River and I kid y'all not since I was six years old up until I was twenty three years old I was not able to go into. Emerge myself. Badly. I was not able to fully submerge myself in green water for that length of time I was petrified. If I saw green water, I would assume that a crocodile come out of the even if I'm in New Jersey and I know that there's a physical impossibility for crocodiles to come out of green water here. But I still I just wouldn't be able to do it when I came forward. And went to a dock on the lake at Mount Holyoke, which is wary tend Undergrad and I sat on the dog and I spent like eight hours just looking at the water's convinced determined I should say I was determined to dip my foot in it. My Foot and after eight hours I was only able to do my toe and I still felt so proud of myself for being able to do that. But that's as far as I'm gone. And as close as I've gotten to green water since then. And then I went to be in a frigging did I have amazing phenomenal friends that I sh-. Let me not go into that. Let me not rant have phenomenal friends that support me in. That's the key life is defined the friends that have your back. Find the people who have your back I should say. Okay. So with that being said, let's go into some of my crazy night terrors. The dreams themselves or the nightmares themselves. I have many. So I've always been a lucid dreamers since I was young I'd say, even before my soul I- Lucid Dreamer of always had control. I've always had awareness while I was dreaming I can change anything in my dream the moment I want to. I. Just I have control and I'm aware that I'm dreaming and continue and finish my nightmares anyway because of some. I don't know self punishment. Bullshit. One of the main ones always involves crocodiles. And essentially, the premise of these nightmares is that I. Enter Green water where I am near some type of green water and crocodile knows where I am. I, do not know that where it is. I know that it's there but I have no idea where it is and I know that I'm being watched. And it's the feeling of knowing that I'm being watched and hunted. The terror part of the night hair. And a lot of times especially as I've gotten older. when I was younger, it'd be like I'm swimming and then the crocodile comes and kills me. Now. As I get older, it's more. I'm not going into the water. I'm smarter I know it's there. So I don't go but then for some reason or another. I I'm outmaneuvered. Strategically and I'm forced to go into the green water. So usually it's because my little sister or my little brother are about to enter the lake. And the only way for me to save them is for me to go myself I know fi self sacrifice it won't hurt them, and so I- self sacrifice. And it's really freaking shitty because now like is there was just so much anxiety with these nightmares. I also have one where I'm a tower and I look out and being isolated from everyone, and then I look out and. Their Docks Bo where but these are gigantic ask doc. So it's appropriate for yachts not for you know lick small boats and stuff and instead of yards there are these massive massive massive crocodiles on talking titanic size. It's just not possible for them to be that big. And it starts to rain. And because of the rain, the water starts to rise and I have a choice between drowning or dying with these crocodiles though. Like I I, swim out and they eat me and. Then I have a version similar to that with sharks. It's usually like I mean a plane were on a boat it crashes. And then I'm swimming and it's only a matter of time before shark eats me. There's this other version where I wake up and I'm. In this Olympic sized pool except the walls to the pool are like two hundred and fifty feet high, and so there's this impossibility of me being able to get out. The only solution is to swim for as long as I can. But within the Olympic. Sized Pool isn't just me swimming. It's like three or four great white sharks in there with me, and then when I'm on one end, the pool there on the other coming at me and I have to find a way to outswim them which I can't because they're great white. So it's just a matter of when it's not a matter of if just. A matter of when and that's the terror part of those nightmares is knowing that there's nothing I can do to prevent it. It's just going to happen. And it's awful. And then I have the bear nightmares. So the bear nightmares come from when I was younger. I really love being outside I. Love Trees I love hiking but I lived in the hood and so you don't really get hiking opportunities when you live in Lake Newark Hillside Union in like that area there there urban areas. and. So One time my biological father took me to stay. At his set father's house. or no the stepfathers. New Wife had a daughter from a previous marriage, and still we stay at her house. Whatever the point where she had a house in Lake West Milford Northern. New Jersey. But this is where it's. Like it's. More dense and you get a lot more hiking trails a lot more hiking areas and it's pretty common to see bears wouldn't say. You know. I don't know maybe an everyday occurrence I don't know West Milford in that whole area is so dense. But Yeah. So we went there and they're sick Oh. Do you want to go on this hike? She's trying to bond with me or whatever. I'M GONNA cut the story short because. I know these videos are going to be a lot longer since they're unedited. So essentially, no Bailey stop drinking. I'm pausing. Imposing Jesus. She's GonNa keep making noises in the background. So I Apologize But this is your co host. Clearly I agree to go on this hike because I was really hyped to do it. And, then we go on hike and I quickly learned this lady has no idea what she's doing. She has no idea where she's going she's walking away from paths. And we get further and further into these woods. We end up getting stuck there for almost eight hours. As we're getting further into the woods, I just keep telling her we gotta go this way. We have to go this way we go this way and she's fighting me at this point I was like seven or eight years old she's fighting me on it. She's on the adult I. Know where we're going. We're going to go this way instead and I listened to her up and to certain point once I realized that the sun was starting to go down and if I didn't get back home soon, we're going to be stuck there overnight. I immediately was like that's enough. We're going this way. You can either follow me or you can stay here and I get into this argument with this grown woman. Essentially I went and when we come back home. Because of me. the first thing she says, my dad, she's like, Oh, well, it's a good thing that we found our way back home because these woods are known for having bears. And you guys. It's so dumb I understand that it's so dumb. But in this moment I'm thinking what there are bears I really didn't. I just didn't process the idea of there. Being bears in New Jersey for me was like the. But this is New Jersey. That stuff for you know the great outdoors like the real great outdoors you know. Middle America. And Yet I was I was really freaked out by the experience in the second step of my thinking was okay. I almost died. The correlation for normal brain is probably so my new but because my brain isn't normal and I'm proud to say that the correlation was clear as motherfucking day it was so clear to me that if I had stayed there overnight had trust I had put my safety. In the hands of an adult and if I had trusted her with that, I would have probably died. Unlikely, but I'm just saying you know following my thinking process. And so that's where my fear of bears comes from because I'm in northern New Jersey now. The only animal that can really attack me out of the three are bears, and so that's definitely one that I am. A Lot. More realistically afraid of I think is a good way of putting it. I also have a lot of nightmares with demons in them, where I unleash a demon on earth and the only way for it to go back for me to sacrifice myself and save everybody. But this isn't in a hero kind way this a way of like I don't want to do it and I say, no, and then my family is on the line and once they it's always one of my younger siblings gets threatened and then I sacrifice myself. And that comes from a law of other TRAUMAS, not just the assault that I'll go into another episodes but. There's a pattern there in me feeling like I mean I guess it does go to the assault because when I reflect on the soul I definitely feel like I was sacrificed. Just in terms of family relationships and everything and I think a lot of things could have been prevented but. In the end of the day like it is what it is. So. Those are essentially What the nightmares are, I also have. Flashback nightmares which I relive. Parts of the the TRAUMAS that I've survived my worst ones I'd say have to do is like fighting or was getting beaten. Those are the ones that are the most realistic like I don't really tried to interpret those in different ways like I do with the assault With. Being, beaten when I was younger, this is something I'm gonNA share in a separate episode too but. I survived an abusive teacher. In the second grade and Those nightmares dealing with her are pretty much just up flashbacks. It's just reliving them. I didn't really blackout of that. Have Really I have gaps in my memory in the sense of time but in terms of. The trauma itself I I remember pretty well. Now comes the fun part which are my night terrors symptoms because I think a lot of my can attest that this is such a grand old time It's definitely scarce people off the most no, no. No there's a lot more to me that scares people off but. I think every person that I've dated once they encounter the night tear no matter how much I I don't WanNa say warned but I caution them like this is going to happen eventually every single person updated that has experienced. Watching me have night terrors is freaked out. From. What? I know I know you speak. And I do this normally but I talk in my sleep. But while I'm having nightmares, I sweat Nice Bailey. Sweat. Crazy crazy I'm talking about like through my shirt into the sheets I I become drenched in sweat my breathing accelerates. As if I just ran for I, don't know I'd say I wanNA say five miles but at this point haven't exercise since January. So I WANNA say like as if I just ran down the street. And I think sometimes they scream depending on what the night terrors are and Flinch I know I flinch Oh and sometime my body convulses that's like the new thing. It starts in this actually happens. I don't know. It happens before I started the night terror. And it happens after. Right. Before when I know him about to fall into a a nightmare, I start controls, and when I wake up from waking up because I'm convulsing. It is so cute. So so cute not that everything has to relate back to dating but the reason I like to mention is because my purchase these podcasts isn't just to help people with PTSD but also people who have. You know people with PTSD in their lives. So whether that's someone that you're dating or if it's a family member or whoever it is, I want to help everybody not just PTSD sufferers. So for those of you that are dating someone with PTSD, just be ready for it, and I don't know what advice to give you except for it's going to be scary and that's okay. You don't need to hide that. It freaked you out from the person that's suffering from the night terrors because it freaks them out to. That's why they're having nightmares. I think clear communication honesty is really important. and. For the personal ptsd you gotta give if it's if you're concerned is coming from a place of Oh I don't WanNa scare off the personal dating. From my experience anyway, it's best just to be honest from the get go and give them fair warning 'cause it's a scary thing to experience especially since so many of them try to wake me up wall I'm experiencing the nightmare and sometimes it works but a lot of times it doesn't, and so once I wake up, it's it's only wake up from. Whatever the climax of that nightmare is ray. So if it's a nightmare dealing with the teacher that used to beat me than it's not until I start to get hit really really bad that I wake up screaming usually or something of that sort. Toyota. Clear communication is always the best way to go and honesty about what it is. You're experiencing. I think it helps a lot to talk about what memory it was. That was giving you that night terror. Especially, you suffered multiple traumas as I have. It helps to talk about it after for some people that might not be the case though you might just want to be completely left alone which I get that and I I've done it too. That's my take on night terrors. I guess. We should also talk about some treatment options for. Nightmares. I can't even begin to try. To tell you guys or give you guys advice on what works and what doesn't because nightmares is something I struggle with until this day not definitely not as bad as it used to be when I was in my like. My one of my lowest lows and this was right before I got baleen. Actually Bailey's the reason nightmares is the reason why got? Bailey. But when I was one of my lowest lows and I was struggling so much with falling asleep saying asleep I'm talking about going to bed at four and waking up at six am both times. And that was for multiple days in a row which some people might say like, yeah I can do that I can do that. But when you only getting two hours. Of Actual Sleep, it's just it's hard on the brain. It's hard on the body and I started hallucinating. Again I know I sound crazy. But I'm serious I would hallucinate I wake up and whatever was happening in my nightmare would continue I'd see a why. But it was weird because it wasn't trauma base though it like I wake up and I'd see spiders everywhere or I'd see figures I start seeing figures in my bedroom and that's when I realized like okay. Now I'm at this point where I I can't do this anymore if even when I'm awake I'm seeing things then it's just a reflection of how. How much my brain needs help. And I was petrified at that point too. I was so paranoid because I had just moved into. Mount Holyoke was my first time moving away from home in that way and I was paranoid that there was someone following me. and. If he were to kidnap me rate me do whatever no. One would know because I was by myself in western Massachusetts and it would take my family quite a bit of time to know that I was missing to begin with. It's not like if I was home. And then that's when I decided to get Bailey because it it just it got so bad. It got really really bad and I'll be honest about. How bad that guy I just WanNa do it in a separate episodes so that we can focus on the priority at hand. That being said though some things do help me one was getting an emotional support animal and for me, that was a dog that's Bailey. My One and only and getting Bailey, has helped tremendously with my sleep. It's also caused some problems with sleep too because it is difficult sharing a bed with seventy pound lab who's determined to sleep under me on top of me and just get me in all these sorts of contortions. But. When it comes to push trust disorder. She's fantastic. Just having her there when I wake up. Already. Calmed me down a lot but then you know Bailey she's an emotional support animal. She's like inbetween emotional support animal and service dog because I did start training her to detect my ptsd and to do I started training her to do service dogs do, which is usually like getting you to focus on them and getting you to pet them so that you focus only on them and you stop. Being triggered. So oughta times when I wake up from my nightmares, Bailey's already up and ready like she's licking my face or trying to distract me in some way she'll like flop on her belly and make sure that her and if I don't, then she'll huff and puff until eventually give her the attention that I need to give her in order to distract from my nonsense. Clearly, getting a dog is not an option for everybody, it's a huge financial commitment. It's a huge responsibility to have. And it's just unrealistic to expect people to just pick up a dog in order to help their sleep. But. Aside from that. I do not take medication for my post traumatic stress disorder or for my sleep issues. So that's something that is an option for people. It's I just I'd rather not for me personally my journey with my poche disorder. I felt taking medication for me would be abandoned on my issues. It wouldn't necessarily be treating the wounds themselves like for me. I'd rather take an approach of go through the pain and go through the fear go through the paranoia then cover it up with something. That's only gonNA stop my symptoms not treat the actual issue. But. Medications help a lot of people and if you're really really desperate, then there's nothing wrong with taking that route. PTSD is journey that's different for every single person. So whatever works best for you do it and make sure that you don't feel shamed about choosing whatever that course is. Outside of that, I've also done essential oils in a no nonsense oils. I've done aromatherapy which falls into essential oils for a lot of people I happened to do candles and incense for my aromatherapy. I didn't do oils. I forgot why Bailey used to lick them a lot or something like that. But I used to do candles and incense. If you're not familiar with aromatherapy, it's fantastic especially, for PTSD because in my experience it, it plays on memory. Ray It takes from your good memories and the sense that you have from those good memories and that's what calms you down when you're having bad ones. You surround yourself by the smell of good memories and it it soothes you. For some reason. Vanilla, is one of those sense for me. I'm not sure who had vanilla or who would exposure to vanilla had when I was younger but I just feel good when I smell it. And it's tied to me seeing bright lights and stuff. So I think. Someone around me when I was like two years old USA Smelling Vanilla, and I don't really know who it is might be my paternal grandmother. But when I smell it I feel really really calm and I'm just soothed. So I is surrounded myself with Hillary before going to sleep and not actually worked. Wonders. I. Don't WanNa say wonders but I didn't think it was going to work like who thinks okay. Let me just light some incense and then I'll be alright I'm not. Really. Into like the hippie culture a religious at heart and so I didn't think he was gonna work but then once I tried it in the more played around with it the more I rationalize that the more I realized that it makes complete sense because. Just these memory disorder and the way that the brain operates with recording familiar sons it's. Basically memory. Let's essentially right when you smell like you smell pizza and then you remember like your favorite pizza place that's what you're doing. It's at except. You purposely exposing yourself to pizza while you're I don't know. Having a panic attack or trying to go to sleep without convulsing in your bed or something like that. And of course, everybody knows but cannabis is. Not. For everybody but it certainly outlet try. I once it was legalized in Massachusetts I did try just to see if it would work if it would be effective for me, and that is put me to sleep. It was the best sleep I've ever gotten. Quite. Honestly in my life I was gone in a really really good way. There was no panic there was knowing Zaidi. Not even dreams I just I felt so refreshed when I woke up, it was the best sleep I've had because even when I do get better control of my sleep I, I'm always restless sleeper I wake up several several several times throughout the night every couple of hours I'm up. It's not the best feeling. But when I smoked, I was like I said I was gone in a good way not in A. Can't operate my body or anything like that. But just I like I said, it was the most restful sleep I've gotten. So if that's something that you'd like to try I think that's also you know like go for it it's a plant take advantage. You're not gonna be a crackhead just because you like smoking once in a while or even every day. If you WANNA smoke all I ask is that if you're going to do it, make sure it's legalizing your state because. A girl has intentions of becoming a federal judge one day and will not ask you to partake in illegal activities even though, yes, I am aware that technically speaking until it's federally recognized as legal that is still breaking the law, but that's not my point follow your State Law. Or get a medicinal card. I don't have enough knowledge on the whole thing to give advice on that. But I guess I can bring on a whole. I. Know Plenty of people that know a ton about that whole area, and so I can always bring somebody on to speak on behalf of that but it is an option I. Don't think at this point it's twenty twenty, and if we're having a conversation about post mattress. Were sleep issues and were not including cannabis as a treatment for it. It's an injustice to both the people suffering from PTSD and also the entire marijuana industry. So It's an option if you're comfortable with it, I, Dunno talk to a doctor get a medicinal Carter something I'm going to do more research on this and get back to you guys, but that is an option. The other thing that helps me which I liked, but I also hated at the same time was exercising I've always been very active since I was a kid I've always and when I say that I, mean I I always have to keep doing something whether it's mentally stimulating or physically stimulating I have to keep. Doing, something I can't be still and I can't why don't want to say can't be still can but I, have to be. Completing a task, I can't be unproductive. That's exactly what I should say I don't the idea of being unproductive or inactivity. It it has to do with production the idea of being unproductive. is just it goes against every fiber in my body I don't care if I have to do yoga for two hours. If I'm getting mindfulness and arresting than accomplishing something on producing something I'm okay with that. But the idea of just sitting in doing nothing. I. Just that's why I have such a hard time watching TV and I'm ranting in these are unedited. So let me get back to the point. So. Exercise for me was fantastic helping with my sleep issues and stress management anxiety control reduction of panic attacks, reduction of flashbacks, reduction of sensitivity to triggers. It was fantastic I really did help me it made me so much calmer in also gave me an outlet to get all of that energy out I'm somebody who? Don't want to say that aggressive but I definitely have a lot more aggression within my personality I'm not violent. I should say I'm aggressive I'm not violent. But I do like for my exercises to have some kind of like expunging force INC with them so. I did a lot of dance which probably makes no sense for you guys in terms of you know going from aggression to dance but the way that you move your body and the speed of the movements and. all of that like it does make sense if you're a dancer than you know what I'm talking about. I did a lot of Dan's I. Did a lot of volleyball spike stuff and pretend hitting somebody. I did a lot of like weightlifting but mostly for my legs and not necessarily like wait like what's it called? What's your freaking called with the? The. I WANNA call it a bench. It's not a bench. What's That thing called. A Bar, I think it's called a bar whatever you know the thing that you pull circle things he's on and you lift that I don't do that 'cause they'll thank you for finding the right exercise that worked for me that would keep me coming back and also make me feel satisfied with the amount of energy that I burned off whiskey to helping me fall asleep and I can't wait another gyms are starting to open back up during this pandemic I can't wait to go back into I think it's going to help tremendously with my stress management. Those are the things that have worked for me so far if you have any other ideas, please please please reach out and let us know or let me know because Bailey can respond but let me know follow page on Instagram I survived podcast and yeah let us know what what ideas you guys have tried in the past. People are really creative out there. So who knows what kinds of ideas are out there? Let us know feel free to reach out and I'm so so so so sorry that this took so long to do but I swear to you guys now that doing unedited episodes, I will not wait. Eight weeks before I post another episode for you guys stay tuned for next week but honestly probably going to be in a couple of days. On, GONNA be talking. About A topic. That is. Really popular but I don't think People WanNa talk about it when it comes to PTSD and that's sex. So I'm going to be talking about. How my PTSD has played a role in that and it's going to be fun because who doesn't like to talk about that right stay tuned I'll see you is when I see and don't forget to like and subscribe h. Everybody stays safe everyone don't forget to sanitize y'all's hands and. REMEMBER PTSD sucks but we're going to talk about it. Hey. Don't forget to subscribe to our channel. Think you someone for all those for you have shown us. We also have a page on instagram at by podcast follow us on there. 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The Great Gildersleeve 50-03-15 (358) Gildy Considers Marriage

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The Great Gildersleeve 50-03-15 (358) Gildy Considers Marriage

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We're here and I was a boy. I never set that close to a girl in a car. You didn't know the gearshift was always in the way. I Envy Marjorie Bronco. With a honeymoon just around the corner. Hudson to turn the corner in. Animal. Donnie. Ask Them to get some music on the radio throgmorton. Bronco. Bronco. There are a million miles away. Bronco. Did you call me? Mr Gildersleeve Oh my goodness. About turning on the radio, we all seeing how turn on the radio, but I can't sing Mr, Gildersleeve. Yes, he cannot keep Bronco Nice on. March Oh, there's no tomorrow I love the me to. No He's forever. Love is true. FINISHES BRONCO WHY. So kiss me. And hold me tie A. There is no to my. Terrible, maybe I'd better take it. Bronco never send a boy to do a man's worry. US. Learn love is new. Nov Forever, Lobbyist. Beautiful. So ME. And, who meet? There's no tomorrow. There's just tuna. He ought to be in a nightclub nighttime. Like Tony Martin. Bronco here's your. House Milford Chill I, let you. Sneeze Bronco. Nice having you with US Milford. Nice. Thank you margin. Wonderful Evening Bronco. Offered tonight. I'll be back in a minute children. Also. Who D-! Catherine yes, so. To Track Martin not here at the door. They'd see in well. He wouldn't see so. We got on the other side of the door. Besides I can't invite you in. Mother has a bowl that's. Lebow your mother. and Mr Oberdorf from Idaho. She met him at a square dance there too cute for words. I'll bet. Well! You mind if I. Shake your hand. To say goodnight. I George Nice to Banaba. You and my tonight Bronco. We were glad to have you Mr Gildersleeve. Still a little chilly out I didn't notice it. You know I guess you didn't. You didn't notice anything with me. Did you? Bronco Baby? A baby, six foot, two and eyes of blue. I can take Rocco into the pod. Go make some hot chocolate. I'll be right with you. Tastes good. Come along baby. Bronco. How Marjorie is a great little girl. Mr Gildersleeve had great little girl thinks you're putting is to Bronco. I'm glad to see you too so much in love yes sir. Is Great Really Great. I can hardly wait until may ten. Know Bronco I'm very proud of you and Marjorie. You're the happiest to people I know. That Mr Gildersleeve. You're not happy, are you? Have you ever thought about getting married and being happy me? Think what different man you'd be if you were married to a woman that woman. Miss Milford for example. Now wait a minute. Bronco Mr Gildersleeve marriage is a wonderful institution. How do you know you haven't been committed yet? No Sir but I'm sold on the idea I can see that there's more to life than just living very profound statement a living alone I mean Mr Gildersleeve. It was not intended for man to live alone. Man is not a solitary creature. Sit Down Mr Gildersleeve I wanNA talk to you. There are some things I think you ought to know about life now Bronco. A bird's BS I know all about them. Ready in a few minutes. Have you found anything interesting to talk about no. Trying. Getting married. I think it's a wonderful idea on Keat Marjorie. You've been single two long. Yes, Mr Gildersleeve slater than you think you sit. Thirty I'm going a bit good night. Why is it when two people are about to get married? They always try to hook somebody else. No I don't think I'll get to sleep for quite a while. Yes my come in. I'm just reading. What you're eating live alone it. Rock when I didn't mean to out of the living room. That's alright. Really Uncle Mort? I'm worried a lot about how you'll get along when I leave l. that's nice. Feel a lot better. If you had a good wife to take care of you module. Let's not get carried away. You don't decide to take a wife down by a cigar. Sides or other people around here to consider little. Leroy would never accept another woman in this house. Dirty would like anybody puttering around her kitchen. Alkyl March just making excuses right, but look me in the eye. Now tell me honestly. Wouldn't you like to have a pretty girl like miss, Milford, welcome your home from the office and get your slippers and kiss. Your cares away. WHO WOULDN'T BE BAD? Good Morning Birdie. I didn't sleep very well. Somebody put a bug in my ear. Come again. You'd kept buzzing all night. Never mind. Yes, I. Get your breakfast Miss Guilty. Leroy quiet! You wake up Marjorie, isn't she? No she needs to beauty sleep. My boy offer corn's sake. She's engaged. He needs her beauty sleep. Beauty Sleep, she's already got them hooked. Leroy let's be bit considerate. We won't have Marjorie very much longer, you know. Guys causing funny around here without marge. Miss It, my boy, that'd be just you and me and Brady. What get rule more? Well mine's. We and I were talking about that last night. Editor fashion. That'd be King Leroy. You wouldn't Miss Milford Rumor here, would you? What's this about Miss Milford? Well my boy. You wouldn't want her to come live with us, would you? Oh, boy, would i. she's a nurse. She could sign on my six minutes and get out of school. Sounds much too good. There must be something wrong with this arrangement. Excuse. Thought I might as well can shut the eggs in the pancakes. And the Bacon? Fine Breakfast Betty thank you say. I'm just kills me. Yes, Bertie, a West is home I hear about a rumor well. Really nothing to bury March. We just seem to think she leaves. We should invite somebody to join little family yes. Leave that somebody lobby Miss Milford. A. Change Way I ever heard to get a room a man. Anything about getting married. You wouldn't want somebody else puttering around your kitchen. WHO's that? I would but good birdie British big, but there's room and a kitchen knife Miss Milford at put the welcome Mat. Well. Berta Likes County Health and she put the welcome Mat. Don't. Know, what do you mad? Last night. I think I'll take my couch. Away but I've got the feeding people trying to push me into something. Feels good. cobwebs on the ceiling. All this talk about marital bliss. Those vine covered cottages have a lot of thorns to. Get nearly enough sleep last night. Ate Too much breakfast to. Wonder if Kathryn who get my slippers? A. Little Life has already. Gathering I'm home. They. Baby. Go right into the living room and take off your shoes, but I, have your slippers ready? You must be awfully I'd sit down. Nasty here on the arm of your chair. Run my fingers through your hair. Feels good. You don't mind waiting while for dinner, do you? Just hit a lot of bacon and eggs. Get my water. Commissioner had a busy gay. Turning it on cutting it off. My poor boy. You have a big worry wrinkle across your forest. Let Catherine Kiss. Your cares away. Glad I came home early. Catherine yes. IRV another wrinkle under my nose. Well I'll kiss that away to. He! Me What's what's what's the sleeve? What happened you? 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Glad you told me it might have worn the mail to work? Let's see what we have here. Easter seals to help the crippled children Oh. Let's see what they're like this year. I've seen them the picture of a little kid. On his crutches away, and that's what happens when everybody is Easter Seals Roy. That's where the money comes from to help handicapped children. GotTa get some more and put on all my water bills. That's a wonderful idea. Here's another letter for Mr Throckmorton P Gildersleeve. Wonder how it'd be to get letters addressed to Mr and Mrs Throckmorton, PD Ellerslie. This IDEA! You gave me a lot to think about the other night I'll ocoee. You're getting married is just an idle dream. Nothing very idol about the one I had. I thought we were just getting roller. Killing two birds. Yeah, but getting married. That makes you. A. I'll see you tonight around eight Catherine. Just thought I'd give you a buzz from the office. Well Bessie is out for Malt. Been Thinking about quite a bit over the weekend. I got something important to talk to you about. Now, tell you tonight. And make it seven thirty. Goodbye? The water. Commissioner and Oh hello judge had on the phone over I was just talking to one of our better customers judge. At the way you talk to all your customers. Nosy old goat judge someday. You're going to get your chin whiskers Cotonou, keyhole. How early Ryan Margaret Fine Fine plans for the wedding. Will I haven't proposed yet? I mean. YOU MEAN MARGIE'S WEDDING! What's this? My friend nothing judge is the custodian of the reservoir going to jump off the deep end. Deepen judges nothing wrong with getting married. Why of course not I think you and Miss Milford would make a handsome couple? My blessings on your boat now wait a minute. Let's not play the wedding march yet. I haven't made up my mind. What is your mind and to do with it yet? What's the woman who decides to get married? Then all she has to do is make the man think that it's his bed. Who is that so I? Don't blame him for wanting to exchange her nurse's cap for a big fat meal. Ticket Watch Hooker. Don't speak so disparagingly of marriage. I don't mean it that way. In fact I'd like to perform your ceremony. Free of charge you yesterday. You need the money more than I will. Nice evening? Stop at PD's. A box of candy. I'M NOT GONNA. Let the judge said influence me bit. He just sour because he doesn't have a wiped support. Below PV. I. Can I do for you this evening I'd like a little candy and. We just opened a carton of assorted gumdrops gumdrops. This is for lady, peavy Mrs PVs Lady, and she each gumdrops. Delighted to hear. Your gummier better. PB. Let's drop the gumdrops, but a nice box of chocolates. Corden, Candy, N-. That's the idea anyway. How Military Vine TV in fact I think she's very fine. That's fine. PB No friend of mine. What would you say if I told you I'm thinking of getting married? And when you say. Marriage is in the air. I hang noted. Marjorie Bronco getting married. May I thought Catherine? I might make it a double wedding. Murmur my. What do you think of my idea? Was It yours? Why certainly when I never give advice about married, but my father used to say when a man thinks to getting married, he should stop look and listen peavy. Getting married isn't like crossing a real track. Runner No. More minutes stopped and look. They wouldn't be listening to my. Goodness TV. You talk like Judge Hooker. What did the judge have today on the subject? Well, he seemed to think I was falling into a trap. Well, I don't feel that way. You didn't feel that way. Did you know I didn't expect teaching? What I went into the Primary One night with your backs candy, notice. The lamp was low. SMELLS INCENSE-BURNING. Go on B.. Remember. P., B. I don't have to worry. There's nobody out to trap me. A. Hooker TV all wrong about this. Sweet Little Catherine set a trap for me. She's a registered nurse. That would be unethical. He Kick He. Katie. That's pretty. Wonder, why she doesn't answer the door. Is that you? ooh Hello Catherine Yeah. It's me. I mean I. Modern Upstairs Doors Open. Just walk in. Dressed in a minute. I'll be waiting on the love seat. Kiki KT beautiful. INSECTS! Look at the lamps. The turned down low. With Pink Bulbs A. Never turn the lights down before. She likes it light like an operating room. What's this? Book of Portuguese love Sonnets. A man trap if I ever saw one. Magin Catherine Setting snare for me. I'm getting Outta here. Just sneak out. Are you going going. Out to get a drink of water outside. I'm the water conditioning. You know always carry a canteen in the car. They'll be silly I'll get you a cool drink from kitchen. No thanks, no favours track Morton. Why are you behaving so strange? Tonight me. Come here. I want to talk to you. See that. Let's sit here on the love. Seat the. What. Sit over here by the window. Little Stuffy in here with that incense-burning oh. Oh, that's what I WANNA. Talk to you about him. I'm listening. I'm stopping and looking to. Track Morton I don't know how to ask you this, but. Well. After a woman reaches a certain age. Do you think she's justified in taking the initiative initiative? You mean. Marriage it's what I thought you meant. Mother seems to think it entirely proper, but I'm not so sure. How do you feel I? Feel sick. Sorry well, let's get out of here and go to a movie. I can't stand that horrible incense either. But didn't you set the trap? I mean like the. Mother did she did what what I was trying to ten you? She simply adores this Mr Open door. Ms Room Moving. A friend from Idaho. Did you think I was talking about? Frankly I didn't have the biggest idea. Come on Catherine that stuck up the incense burner Lee. abloh on it. Look at it. Smoke now. What a sneaky thing to do to Mr Oberdorf. From the Great Gildersleeve again very shortly. Don't forget. 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#252: PRO TALK with Andy Engel

The Fine Homebuilding Podcast

34:24 min | 3 months ago

#252: PRO TALK with Andy Engel

"I remember my mother telling me. You don't know what you're GonNa do with your life call. Seeking walk. Actually kind of do it's not to be. A minister or something got. To Go. Out! and She just didn't. Couldn't quickness. Welcome to the fine home building pro talk. PODCAST are regular discussions with building industry professionals. This is senior editor. Patrick mccaw today I'm joined by Andy Angle, former, fine homebuilding, editor, and now carpenter. You can find the fine homebuilding pro talk podcast and the original fine home building podcast at fine home building dot com slash podcast. You can leave feedback and ask questions there to. Andy, thank you so much for being on today buddy. It's my pleasure. Patrick hadn't seen you since well like March. In Normal Times, we would've been together drinking at least half a dozen times by now I would estimate. So So, are you still getting beer at bad dog brewing up there in new Milford now they're. They're close. You can't even buy curbside pickup there. That's bad. It is I hope they reopened, but. So the place in new reverie, brewing is still doing Curbside pickup and I can buy it at the local beer store, so I'm GONNA buy some of those and drop them off at your place. Okay, I'll be there. How are you guys all doing? We're doing fine you know in in many ways were hermits anyway? Most of my work is right here in town and the homeowners currently working for our in France for the foreseeable future, so it's just apartment Brent May We've been seeing each other every day since before. The corentin started, so we kind of figure, if either one of us at the other one already had it now anyway. So it really hasn't affected our lives in. A, great way! What about your boys? What About Duncan? Donkin is, he works from home. He buys and sells minerals and gems, and it's all Internet sales and. Mail pickup, so it's affected him at all. What about Kevin Kevin? quit his job about. Three or four days before the lockdown and He. Had some interviews right away and then nothing, so I'd spread around the house because he most long and takes care of stuff like that. When he goes back to work. In fact, he's coming to work with me today as a whole. That poor kid you now. This advantages only twenty six. Especially with a dad. WHO's you? Wouldn't have the age restriction has. Disadvantages supplies they were each. So. Of all the people I know, who are carpenters, I think you've probably been a carpenter the longest. Got You into it and who who introduced you to it? Tell me about that scenario. You know I always loved carpentry. went. Dad Built the House that I grew up in. was, an ongoing project I remember being in third grade and load of lumber, showing up on a Friday. thinking. Oh, this is so cool. Mitigate the help, Dad, do something and They sent me to my friend's house on Saturday Sunday on Sunday which I never Sunday school wash now I know they just wanted to get out of my s Harrison. But I thought it was so disappointed. But I've been playing around with woodworking literally since I was probably third or fourth grade I read the foxfire books. Probably from sixth or seventh grade on. Made a Banjo Dulcimer. Things like that soon as find, woodworking came out as old I am I have issue one at find woodworking that I actually subscribe to fine home building him out I started grabbing to that by then. I was working. As a woodworker. John College for one year because. The idea becoming a carbon for living did not fly well. My mother really knock down drag out battles with that I had to go to college. I went to college for one year at Rutgers and majored in alcohol, use and They told me in no uncertain terms. They didn't want back so that at settled that issue and I went to work. As Gartner that first summer was quirkiest carpenter up screaming eight offside radio. In House, all summer. Planes a lot buddy. He wants. And I saw an ad in the newspaper woodworker wanted. Thought well all right I. Mean I can do that and called up the Tobin come down for an interview checks if I could read a tape measure and hired the next day, and that was at the Warren lumber door shop. Washington New Jersey my boss. Was this old German fellow named Warner t you? WHO had. been trained as a cabinet maker prewar Germany. He was a great man. And that was really. My introduction to professional carpentry worked in the door shop. Freeing doors doing customer work with three years and then. In the new building boom with early eighties out on my own and. Self employed carpenter. Status Carpenter and builder, until Nineteen Ninety six when Kevin Ireson hired me find ongoing snow system editor for about half of what had been making a filter. Yeah! That was one of the best decisions ever make. I'm going to hold off on the talking about the fine voting part a little bit. But how were you successful as a builder where you making money? Did you feel like you were doing a good job? I was making money as making pretty good money. I wasn't happy with the partnership that I was in because. It. Limited NEETU. Looking at building mostly as a financial And I really wanted to be doing higher quality higher than what we were doing in Jersey I was in no the. At everything we don't find it. and that's just the reality of the place. So there were arts of what I did that. I really enjoyed business. Aspect of it was not something that fields mid at much at never has been I really like be hands on. you know in that timeframe? I'm sure you weathered several ups and downs of the economy and you know anyone is in this business for any period of time knows that it's a very cyclical boomer bus kind of Type Business How those those downturns. It wasn't always easy. there were there were some times when money was very tight. but I would take on anything and say no to to work. And when times were good I was literally working, eighty hour week. that. My wife stay home with kids. which was a good thing except you never saw them. No, no, that's true. I mean literally times when I would come home from work in the wintertime been out in the cold all day. You hit that one house when you come home I haven't worked outside edge, and you just WanNa Fall Asleep dinner and sit down on the couch to read Mike then three or four year old son Duncan. Bedtime Story and out fall asleep I remember him trying to wake me up. Patty. Say the words. Tragic. Man. So. Go ahead. I was GONNA say important. I was going to say so you're you're back at it again. Talk about your your relationship you. Have you have a partner again in an informal partnership? It's. It is informal and but we worked together all the time. friend I've known for many years. Brent Banner. His wife was a former editor at signed gardening, which is how I got to know them. Brennan I work together on a few jobs fifteen years ago and He was one of the few guys I've ever worked with where we're on the job, and it feels like sharing same brain One of the other of us will be thinking okay. I need this tool and the other guys standing there with an his aunt. And it's we just were. There's a real. Symbiosis between our work. How do you guys divide the Labor? I mean neither of you are spring chicken. Shall we say How do you make that work well I'm fifteen years older than Brat, but he still had his forties but he. He kinda watches out for me actually especially since this time. When I started with Brent back in way January. I'd had a ACL replacement surgery on my left knee, and November, so I was still living around a little bit out of shape from having the sitting around with my leg abated things he'll so he He kept an eye on me, but It's come back. A couple of months wearing a little bell climbing up ladders. Back, in probably better physical shape than I was in high school. Partly till riding my bike again, that helps a lot. So the first few months back in the saddle, really hurt. I was tired at the end of the day. Come home. I want salt sleep. And now I come home from work. Get on my bike and I go ride for hours. So many calories. Do you have to email andy? Question. To our bike, going to be fifteen hundred calories. So! How many after a day I don't know? I do still have salads for lunch. And I've gone for two, hundred, five, thousand, two, hundred and ninety ounce in a couple of months and working with. So. It's you have to consume cowers I bet and I bet you're had better muscle tone which would make you your weight loss. disparate your last less than you would imagine. It's it's true, but things are getting easier. I would say. My. Age a lot of a lot of people were not good shape than my doctor's always happy to see me. What do you think the the biggest changes and as you know in regard to the trade? Have what what are the? What are the biggest changes occurred for carpenters in the four decades? You've been doing this. It's become a lot more. back when I started. We were we're barely using nail with first house. They returned on my own use a hammer and nail set. Should never imagine doing that today. I wouldn't even from a window. But you know so. The tools have changed dramatically we're using now guns everything. Impact trucks were a huge change because we. The things we screwed together today. It's amazing. Even before that was just the cordless drill I remember buying Makita seven point two cordless drill in probably one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six, and thinking it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. couldn't kill that thing that lasted forever, so I dropped it into a summer full of water. Not recovered. But also the materials changed drastically. You know probably started with the house rat tarmac being when I think of as the original. And had been been using tar paper, and then we got this time stuff we thought was invincible. He couldn't do anything with. It was almost magical, so we run it on the whole house and slash exit of the windows. Back in yeah, we get a great thing. now, of course we know that there are a few more steps that you have to do to flash window from weaking. Again, that has been a change. Gradual change in two thousand, five. I less fine homebuilding went out on my own for a few years. And I was putting windows in a house either windows and. The salesman stop five. The job was going and he saw that we were flashing the windows. Scarring that a scam. He said it was the first time he'd ever seen anybody who right? And that was only fifteen years ago. I still hardly ever see people. Do it right? but materials have gotten better. ZIP sheeting events exploring that has definitely east things flashing materials that we have today. The thin self adhering membranes flexible ones. They're just incredible And the attention that we pay things like air sealing again when I started, no one really knew what that meant. And then? It kind of became. Adapted as more like fire, blocking fire, stopping and my insulation contract come in and stuff fiberglass in wholesome framing which. We know today is worthless, but than. Probably by the early nineteen nineties, we're starting niece. Spray foam around those walls or intimacy Kach which was a real pain in the next door with. They're like that stuff why? Because it would dry up and fall out and I thought it was. SEAL IT NO! One one of those things that made you feel like you're doing a good job, but actually didn't do anything. About my work all the time. But I didn't had my then. My I found there was a revelation going from hands of to using. Phone Gun WHOA. You can actually stop this stuff coming out of the end this spree, cool. but yeah thanks gotten better. We were paying better attentions insulation. We we up here in Connecticut word pre high end market. And People most of the Tradesman I work with our trading aware of. The changes and have kept up with technology, and doing things Freddie right. Not. Only about what what about the inspection process you know, are you in Brent? Living that in Roxbury, or is that not an issue? In roxbury. It's a issues verse small town. And literally both Mr Residents of this counts. Actually one of the land use for in town, and we know the inspectors very well. We have one inspector. He's in town two days a week and he knows the kind of work we do, and we. We talk about things beforehand. We've any questions. We go to him with a very good relationship and. He comes out when we need. Our. He'll say to take photos again we're. He knows we're going to go of code anyway, so we're not the people he's. What do you think the biggest? Challenges facing contractors in Carpenter, specifically are now. well there are. In the broader. Term. Is a labor issue. It's very hard to get a good help. US very hard to get help at all. and. I've heard a lot of. Effort millennials dissed. But had four this working for. Preservation with two guys who are millennials, and they were fantastic for their work. Ethic was just unbeatable Maybe my only complaint is that they did tight personal time more than my generation buzz so if it was a nice Friday. Well Mica. Ski And Mike Go Surfing. We're not coming to work. I say they're smarter than us. Dude I. I know that now. My twenty five year old self would have been. There no way that I would. just just when it happened, but when they were there. You know you think of young people being on their phones all the time. Not these guys were not. They got on tool belts. Songs went away and they work hard. but I think they may have been rare. They weren't easy to find. And keeping them there is is a hard thing. I think that a lot of. I think for years for generations and I experienced this with my own. into the trade was discouraged. If you became a tradesman, you were lower purse. And I don't I that for a minute, but it's been an awful fight. And I think that is discouraged a lot of smart capable people. Who made you what? Traits I went into the traits because it's what. It called me. I remember my mother telling me We don't know what you're going to do with your life. You don't have a call it thinking well. Yeah I actually Kinda. Do It's not to be a doctor or minister or something like that instagram bill stuff out of wood. and She just didn't. Couldn't equate those fix. Whereas I can't. and. I hope that the keep craft. Live and similar movements is making a difference I don't know if it is. How how do you think we should be attracting smart young people to the to the trades? I think that. We're making good efforts I think. Like I said. Keep craft alive is a good effort. To get that message out to the young people, I think platform is important. They're looking at red at. They're looking at thirty. Twitter, they're looking at instagram. We have to keep up with social media platforms that the young people are. Using has to make it look cool, appealing That's hard to do in an age where everybody WHO's. Sitting on a smartphone or tablet, and doing whatever it is, they do whereas out there. Dealing election actually. Building that you're sitting in. Somebody had to build that. It's a hard one because it's the societal last year, it's not one of. Heavy an individuals. How do you convince society that this is a good way to? This is a good thing to do with your life. I I think it's gotTa be money for what? That's worth. An awesome recognition of the importance of the jobs right? I agree with that and you know, money is certainly a long time to be able to make a decent living partner. Coming in. The fact is that the the market is only a so much and until customers. Understand the difference between quality construction, and or construction and understand the quality construction costs money. then. I don't know how you're GONNA get there. You know we're lucky again where we are. We're in high in work we have. Probably a threat, the houses in the town where I live are second homes owned by typically New Yorkers Kobe they're all here. We've had much traffic. In Roxbury were than I've ever seen. But. That's an exception. I'm not sure how would go. The part of the Jersey where I grew up. Yeah Amen. You recently start managing. Find home buildings. Asked the experts. Department. What's that like to be back in the magazine business? And what are the challenges in answering reader questions? I always loved doing ask the experts. Last time I was fine home building. That was the department that I. And it's kind of my favorite. Because you you do interact directly with the readers which was always wanted best parts of the job. You know somebody would call up the magazine at somebody. Actually answer the phone and. You May. You made a fan for life just by. Treating. You'd WanNa be, treated yourself. so I love that. For? Biggest issue right now is finding time. It had to be disciplined about finding time to. Take care of my writing and editing side gigs, and so you know, tweet six and seven thirty in the morning I set aside every day as my my writing editing. and that seems to work very well. answering reader questions is fun. Answered that many of the myself. Farmed out most of them out to experts which I enjoy. Because again it puts me back in contact with people I used to work with gives me an opportunity to talk to people like John Carroll where my curtain. And again that those guys were also great parts of the job. As an editor, general. The authors fine home building tend to be just fun, knowledgeable television equal. Gone on photo shoots and getting to know them slice of their lives. That was a great job, too. So I'm getting. A lot of really good parts of the job. Without having to sit in an office all that. Yeah. You're also doing a blog post for green building advisor. Can you tell me about that? Yeah A. Post every two weeks. which is harder than it sounds? I I've rebuilding adviser very savvy audience. These people eat green building for breakfast, lunch and dinner. and. Honestly most then don't more about it than I do so I have to spend some time on that I have to. Work at it educate, myself. And so it's been good in that regard. It's forced me to be a little more discipline than it would have been otherwise. It's come up with the material and the right material. That isn't going to be torn apart by people. who were the ideal. Really Fun when with my former colleague at my last job in Sean. WHO. We both left the company at about same time, and he went back to Wisconsin where he grew up and he's going to be building. was home on a corner Stanley Farm and Very thoughtful. Guy And He came up with a way of looking at several different iterations of high-performance wall stubble stonewalls. Six sls with foam on the outside. Probably had half been different options that considering. and. A took a sample wall size eight foot by twelve foot. Just have something to start. You can figure the material cost something like that pretty easily, but the the question, the thing that's hard to nail down the labor costs on that. and he thought about that from a carpenter's perspective were building this wall. Which one is going to be more complicated and using just standard single two by six wall with A. Is Be seen as baseline gave that number one. anything that made it more complicated. raise them all. And We. Thought it was very clever system, and that's what my. Next blockbuster GPA is about in and I went back and forth with a series of emails and explained his thinking. How he arrived at his conclusions and Subscribe GB. You'll be able to read that. You're killing me. Dude I WANNA know that he held come here. I Would love it it. Up. So One thing you forgot to mention about Ian as he has the most acerbic and hilarious sense of humor that I have ever experienced I greatly enjoy spending time with him because I can't stop laughing. Couldn't agree more I really miss working with the day to day basis. Are when I I opened. That blog does by saying something. When I started job, I was a little worried about meeting the other league garden because I thought. This guy doesn't think I'm stepping on his toes. turned out. He was absolutely wonderful to work with had. Said something on the lines. The time we spent. Hanging her swinging cameras together. Was Great, but the time spent building ups the park. We have to make a road trip out there to Wisconsin to see his project man. Love that that would be. So. Who who's on the pro talk podcast about their own home So can you tell me briefly about your place, and do you want to work on a the you like that part of it? What's it like now that you have to be a carpenter nine to five? Raw. Anyone else to work on. because. Gene. I always say I would I would never hire anyone I could afford. Literally, I would built this house we started building in. Nineteen ninety seven. And the only thing I didn't do myself was the excavation and. my higher lowering. But I ended up. Having a refrain does had a higher. Deciding done is probably first housing Connecticut's News Party. because I couldn't buy Connecticut. Good Jersey find it. and. the The carpenter whose putting up siding got about two thirds of the way on US job weapons scaffolding. Never saw him again I ended up. Scaffolding twenty years later. But I ended up finishing the party. Myself I didn't put the roof on, but everything else. You know I wired it a bit. Trend it. Why haven't finished trimming its? If you see behind me? Anderson wind up there. We go. Well into my life. A very bullshit wife, I should add. I have the best life in the world. That's for sure We did. Manage though the. Garage which never seen car except to be worked on his Woodshop, and above that, there is a an argument. That we store that relatives in Christmas time And that is finished And working on the on the House as we go. Right now, summertime, trying to do outdoor projects on building. Stone, retaining wall on the one side of my driveway that. We want to put a flower bed in their at lunch from the fine gardening sale recently, so I have a little bit of. Our time on that finish this week gets there is and what her plant before the plants die on the porch containers. and. Also. On rainy days I'm working in my shop. Cutting timber frame woodshed because why wouldn't you timber frame which? There is more complicated way to do it. But the genesis of that. Is that my neighbor several years ago I our pressure treated six by six for some reason that he wasn't going to use, said anybody want these, and I said yes. I hop online. Travolta drove over there, but among the fourteen took him. And, so I didn't have to buy a lot of material by some owners material, but it's all being made out of pressure treated six by six, because it's available since it's an open structure reopened. The weather seems like having something rot resistant. Good I'd get and it's. And it's free. Stuff. That I had to buy for the plates. But It's fun because I bought will be research, but when timber frame. Viewed for that for you. We'll be reasonable. Final W author, I did. My first arts is an editor with him, and he's run the Hartwit School in Massachusetts, which was a timber, framed school, Great Guy, and if he had a interest in timber, framing and learning how to do this book. It's almost it could be appointed spoke together. Step by step. It's really well edited. Voters are casting has been timber framing for probably fifty years seen was one of the original got into that movement back in the. Early nineteen seventies in the heavy days when. There I think we've you'd homebuilding very. Some portion of the population did. people built things on their own I remember the early early days of fine home building when there are a lot of diy, articles people who are really immersed in the. Process. One of my favorite wasn't issue fourteen. And it was just as essays sixty eighty s a never published today about a guy, just running trials and tribulations building his own house in. The I think the best line was ever written magazine were. He said that he had. Too Much, Rosenstein his fear little experience under his belt. and. You just loved that guy because. He put his heart and soul. And I don't see. A! Lot of people viewing their who's that way and. I. Love that about the early days of maxine? Cincinnati building this House working on this house is. As much about the experience more about the experience really than it is about the finished product. And also. Building things has always been for me once I'm done with trimming house. Do furniture anything like that I don't care if I ever see it again. It simply stops mattering to me. I I love doing the work. Processes? Is What drives me? Thank you so much for being on the show man. It's been great talking with you. What wise I hope we can do it. Sometime, soon in person, now, come on. We can sit sixteen part. White Borrow Whiteboard beers down with the alcohol before we. It sounds awesome man. Mainly get in on that, too. Can't bring him back from Wisconsin. Constant, Cogan Free Zone, so he's not coming back. He loves it just the right time. Right, UC did did. On. Thanks very much unfortunately. That's all the time we have for today. Thank you for joining us. Thanks to all of you for listening. Please remember to send us your comments, questions and suggestions to F H podcast at Taunton Dot com and please comment or of us. However you're listening and helps other folks find the podcast. Stay safe everybody thanks very much for listening happy building.

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Volume 5, Episode 04  A Couple Of Andys And Sustainable Buddy

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Volume 5, Episode 04 A Couple Of Andys And Sustainable Buddy

"Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, we are your favorite time traveling podcast. This is since Hebrew cast the gnarly. No, Andy, welcome to the show. I'm not gonna make contacts. And nobody knows what I'm talking to Andy. Welcome andy. Well, thank you. No. Believe it or not since you're looking at my bald head I used to have very very curly hair as a child my dad called. Wiz wiz. All right. Got it. Wiz. When he called me like keying on somebody who is like taking wiz probably. Cheese whiz. Like. Panna cheese whiz. But that's that's easy cheese. No cheese was brand too. Easy cheese is like the no I don't say anything both bay by crafts. No. I think so. Easy. Easy cheese. Was my already off the rails. Easy cheese was I did I did when I was in three and my my tour in Iraq. I would do somebody would ship me. My parents mainly would shitty boxes upon boxes. Skyline. Chili. That is you that's me. As Reagan handy you'll look fuller. Curly. It's amazing. Are I am. So glad this is audio only otherwise this picture would be up all over. But. The cheese. So yes craft is cheese. Whiz. Do they make cheese whiz in an aerosol container? The that's the question. I've never seen it. I'm not saying, it doesn't exist cheeses, definitely not craft. It's made by Monday, Liz into that. Who makes cheese it? She's it's. Seriously. Yeah. Seriously, think that upper no back Google also in where you see if they were Nabisco Nabisco, I think got by that company. All okay that I'll believe I could be wrong. I don't know. I don't I'm not in this. All right. This is going to get complicated because there's whole articles about this. Did she with this? What is the men Dala fact or whatever? Nelson. Mandela fact. Yeah. Yeah. This is also call it. The steam bears. However, eat here, you know, you know, about the baron steam. Bayer fact over time thinking about this do spelling dispelling Stephen beard stain like most people remember it spelled one way or it's it's something like thirty. It's like half and heya. And if you look at it, it's not spelled right now, there's the common thing is. Well, you know, it was always Berinstain bears. It wasn't Barron. Steam, but when I was a kid, I specifically remember everybody else to and I can remember seeing the book covers everything that they did. I never saw that. So I'll must have been the other universe is when that was around. We're doing important podcasting. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait. Wait, wait a minute. Don't be mean to the one that keeps refilling our beer's. No do not do that. Do not. So that's our sustainability officer. That's actually the point of why we're having you guys on this week and next week two weeks in a row to me going to be back here next week. It'll all make sense in a week. Maybe maybe not I'm telling you this time trying to run away. So she had to be on this you should run away. And there's a lot of craziness going on over here. And that child is shirtless. It happens. It does happen. Okay. Whatever. Yeah. I don't know. Look it up sometime. I don't wanna keep going to. Well, let's I'm going to say that that's part of it too. Because I don't remember that ever coming in an aerosol can Sydney like if you said, what's the what's the cheese? And again, I think my I I say cheese was first cheese. Was I always think of Dr yet. But I don't know why that would I would say that because you from that universe. When you crossed over to this one somehow. Now, he is from north of the wall. I know maybe up there, we have it. Wildly invention for Milford though. All that closely. You're you you you were inside the wall in Milford where you grew up, right? Five. I'm on the other side. But barely all right. Yeah. You're close enough. Yeah. No. If you're if you're north of two seventy five going up, seventy one seventy five you are a wild Ling and things are just different. Kentucky. Panties beer beer. I don't think we've had this one on the show. We I don't think. So. All right. The Berliner Berliner or the Berliner style. Vice beer, I think your. No, it's called a Leonard vice style. Go on go on tell everybody wanted to give you more this. I don't think you have enough shit. Now, tell everybody why it's the Berliner wife style Reynolds because it's specific to a region. So like, there's only certain years that are like that per the TV, which I think is this is a conversation. I believe you had Clark many times. And I think it's silly. I extremely so because you can't call like, a lamb lamb have to be made in that region. Right coach he has to be made in that region. You're gonna have a coach style you can have a Berliner by style. But you can't have which which one of these are regulated through the TV though. I could tell you Berliner vices is because it references a city. And usually if it references a specific city, they're going to say, you can't do doesn't west six just call. There's Berliner vice I don't know. I don't here's. Here's the other problem with this. Right. The TB is all about who approves your stop there. I I know too much about this because my wife works for the IRS, and she's got a friend that transferred to the TV. But it's it's very different than tequila. You cannot make something in the United States. That's an Agasi spirit and call it tequila you can't get away with that. Well, but that's also that that's a little bit more standard than so many different beer types. That are out right? I think what you up with is. You have these. I'm almost sure in our coal is approved under district coche, not co style. But what you have is you have these workers. Call them teleworkers, they work from home. They get these labels Email to them from the TV. It goes through somewhat of a pre screening process looking to make sure that you know, your size matching your size as matchup and everything like that. But then after that, it goes to this person at reads over make sure the government warnings on it make sure that I could give you the prime example. Right. We thought about bottling flush of the pumpkin. And my my K collars approve where but the bottle was denied for having the exact same verbiage on and I it's it's all new who catches it and what they catch. So if they don't catch that makes me wanna pound my head on the tape. Oh, you have no idea the other everything makes you wanna pound you. The other thing is to on our K colors. We put. Th-these perga- TV you have to have beer ale. Stout. Logger something that describes what it is in that keg. Not not something that somebody would be like, oh, I want this coach Suda. Imply that it's alcohol right by putting by labeling it that what we did to get around. That hurdle was we created. We have a check box. It's both for our six and our our half Faeroese and one says had barrel once six well what we wound up doing who taking it and writing of beer behind it to get around this. Right. So we had like nineteen labels approve K collars approved because beer was said there, then one guy decided to decline it and then ever since then we have to put it in the beard out too. If you wear for the TB, I love you. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to put you down. It's just it's too subjective. If you work for the TBN, Egypt, call the drunk line and explain this shit gnome. What's number five six seven seventy drink. All right. So t- TV and explain this randomness. Because we have hey, we have questions Don, you rock and roll down. But he doesn't know Donna March on Mars. He was part of our he was crude on big says with us. He's our intern from Cincinnati state. He does a hell of a job. His currently working is off why everybody sitting here drinking. Yeah. He's he's finishing up a long day. And it's been a long day for us. What NC brewing today? So he. Yeah. It's talking here. Now. So we're despite how much I would love to dive down the styles again and try to understand. Thing you're not gonna understand it. And that's why you're not going to stand it. That's all I'm telling you because there are times like like folks just said that I just wanna bang my head on the he m Mike wire they denying this. I don't they said, oh, you didn't put beer on this label says beer right here. So says Alexandria brewing company. It is what it is. And I know that they they all have they have quotas to meet of how many I every month. No, they what they what they have is. They have they have SAP that they have to follow lack in that's black and white, right? But the thing is is that there's so many things that can be subject. I don't know about saying that here, we might get sued. Let's let's go back. So we got invited at participate. Actually, Eric Tanner who was on the show. Maybe my first or second. Now, it was probably my second or third time though. I wait a minute no personal with my with was with Mike. No, we a paradise for the was there. But that was with Mike. Speaking of this is a new show. Yes. No, we're we're back in time. Oh, this is everything it does everything. So now today by rouse for the most appearances when he says, you I lied. He took the the record for eleven. Wow. This is number ten eleven times here. Damn interesting fellow Reynolds. I guess kissing. What's it said? He's only at ten right now. Easy enough. A s I don't know. So Eric Tanner. Sorry. I'm getting my daughter wants a boat. My two year old is both. Boasts about. I can see why it's on minds pick one up on your way heads season. Go for those. Sorry, Eric dinner. So. Factored me. Excuse me. And he asked me an AS. Did you like that? If you think this show is going to go off the rails. Just wait till the next one. So. Like, hey, I'm thinking about putting together a beer festival. And that's kind of what it started as a beer festival and that kind of change evolve. But it's a sustainability they're calling it sustainability sides or sustain sustainable suds symbols of rebounding. In the gnarly known dot com. Improve dot com. I know he still involved. But I don't think he's running it. Now. Sorry, gravity came in good. So we're oh I thought that was for the song. It was a good song grates on. So. Eric, and I can I talked about this. And we kind of worked on a couple of things like well at first he wanted to incorporate, you know, local ingredients vocal farms, and it's springtime anyone who didn't get it around Earth Day with the being springtime, it's kind of tough to get right things. That are local right. You know, most of our produce is coming from the southern hemisphere into this time of year. And of course, we've well. I mean, I guess that makes sense. It's summer there. It's winter here. Right. Like, it should make sense just quickly. I don't know. I over think things always go to the grocery store. And it's always there. But I don't in my head like I don't understand like where my actually. What you said you think about a lot of things when did that start? Okay. Years upon years or five years ago, my friend so when. Before before he got busy opening this place before he's always been his e opening from. Like hands on when it was hands on October first of twenty seventeen right was when you come in fishery and start we started into aware. I was here. But before that we talked come times week, and he'd say folks, I got a quick question for you an hour and a half later. I'd go. Hey, wait a minute, man. What was your question? There's always a backstory to my question off to another top back in seventeen eighty nine. I don't know. What's wrong with the F got overactive mind? I guess ever actually talked about Berliner vice we we started talking about this. Never even about this drinking, and we got. So this is really off track back on track to the topic. We're supposed to talk about after. That's basically Ronald. We are now back on topic. Okay. So from the beer, we're drinking beer. All right here. We go. This Berliner ways talk about talk about this beer little. We're not talking about the style. We're just gonna call it. Vice? Okay, cool. Excellent. I'm for that. So we bays it. My favorite Berliner is eighteen oh nine I like a lot of them. I'd like us our like the American style eighteen nine the traditional German rate. If you haven't had a chance to have it or find it try to find a fresh bottle because I haven't found one for two three years everyone. I find is like twenty fifteen or older and don't drink it that that's also like the the downside of these imported Siles. It's so hard to find them. Good and crashes party source used always get it fresh, but they were tough. They never kept it in stock sell out as soon as they got it. I can guarantee it's on the shelf at party source right now, he guarantees Michelle for jungle gyms, but I. It's hit or miss. No. And it's also their distributor to it's not even that this problem comes from because it is coming over from Germany, and whatever it's it's apparently as a regional as it can get and it's based on an old Berliner recipe. Now, the Berliner was brewed just outside of Berlin out of Burri that the story goes they accidentally let their warts our overnight. So they actually do Sal ward, which is term it. It's a it's a form of cattle souring if we want to get here we go again do it title for. All right. So let's scientists folks let last week show. We talked a little bit about that next. No. It was definitely last week's that time traveling again with artifacts. He talked about. There was a lot of discussion about kettle souring. So kettles our? Okay. So. Wearing is kind of like that'll souring tip. You let your mash go bad the problem with that is is that it can put out like this. We'll call it a distinctive odor. It's mel's like garbage. If you don't hit it quick enough. And if you so your goal is to keep the temperature of that may which the Mashal hold a temperature a lot better than the ward will right. So we're talking about it just to kind of explain the difference for those of you have no idea what the hell on talking about your may. I is a combination of water and wrist, which is just your grains cracked open that sits at a certain temperature and unlocks enzymes so what they do is they run it up to the temperature which is sacrifice rest, which is your primary temperature read you talk about sacra sacra wrestling yourself. And then then they just let a cool down by itself and natural. I hear people call bugs, I hear people call it critters. It's it's lactobacillus going to build up on it. A lot of them. Just pitch regular fresh hills ner molt and not will have it on there. So it won't be cracked at all it just grows naturally on the malted self though, destroyed in there in that oh help that growth happened. So a couple of days later, the story goes is that they had a problem or something? I I don't know. But they let to they let them sit. And then they were like, well, what are we gonna do? We're gonna try to run it anyways. And they ran at anyways boiled it and it turned out to be fantastic. It's second really light beer that's soured slightly in a lot of people. Call it like the gateway to sours which I don't like like because. Floyds for Leonard. I mean, that's that's a punch in the face. But to me, it's it's not a sour. In in my head. And there are people argue with you about this. But it's not supposed to be sour beard supposed to have like a little bit of a tar more tartan. But like. I would say your gateway. Sour beers are the ones that are heavily fruited. That are all. Mid western fruit tart. Yeah. I tend to agree with what with what you're saying. Terms of that fight. But it is because they are technically sour survey here. Even even even Finn from fat. Yes is is sour. Yes. Where ours is more of like, it's tradition. Yes. Also per linear pale and ours is a true Berliner vice which means it's week. That's all you're talking about. I mean buys the little their literal. Translation, translation, white, right? But it we. Says we light beer with a little bit of I call it a tartness. Nailed it. The first time I feel like I feel like we shifted gears like in the craft beer world, though. I feel like if you say tar people get something in their head. That isn't really what this fear is. It is limited. That's yeah. I mean, it's kind of that same level of tartness. Not even. Yeah. Salver lemonades, but like more like the sweeter side thing. So what I did is. I looked at that recipe. I don't have their recipe by any means. But I said, okay, I really liked the way they didn't hack. I mean, I guess they in front. One in front. They talked to somebody that in theory worked for the brewery, scrap a papers. So the style pretty much died along with Goza. It was went away. And then they were trying to recreate it from people who either worked at the breweries or found notes from the brewery of that kind of thing and then try to recreate it out here in the United States. We're trying to recreate that like it becomes like this becomes. We do everything extreme. But it's also we're trying to understand what it was. It was not purposely soured. It was not. Well, it was purposely sour. But they didn't understand what they were doing back, then that's the purpose thing. Yeah. So so now what the way we do it is we actually KENDALL sour. So the difference between may and cattle souring is that we transfer. Our we basically try out for the entire ward over to the kennel. We we run. Now, some people will say they c o two through it all night. I'm not a fan of doing not I'll I'll put CO two on top of it. And then we run our we may makes her that. I can put down into the caddo. I just run that all night, stirring it up. And I pitched we've it or not I pitch Icelandic yogurt into mind, which has to two good strains of lack though lack of besides what we're talking about that will build up, and I get. Pretty quick build up twelve seventy seventeen hours. I get I three seven is my target ph on it. And I hit it. I think that's with a lot of the places locally as far as when they're kettle souring or quick sour. I think that's kind of the technique that people are using is yogurt. Well, you can buy street pitch but yogurt vending both places. Are you still using yogurt? Well, it it works better. So you can operate from what I found I can get yogurt to to grow a good culture. Specialize say most places as in places that are quick sour pedals our four urban artifact Disney shit. But right using yogurt. Well, I mean, but but I under their traditional in terms of like the Belgians hours. Right. Not like, yes. But I don't have the kind of tanks that they have where I can't. I can't afford to get lactobacillus I into my PA in theory within the next from one. You're listening to this like your next month and a half or two months or so we're gonna have a show that we're gonna really dive into this. We're going to do what I'm calling the the sour community. Everybody doing major sour programs. No offense. You don't have. Durbin artefacts, the rand Geiss the streetside Saunders these places river town, these places that are doing these really crazy big sour programs. We're going to big community kind of panel show where we dive into. What? I want to be at that panel show, but I just wanna to drink. I don't have to say. Microphone try instead of yogurt. They actually have the kettle sour pitch. They've got a holding tank underneath a house, which is amazing to me. But really all you're doing is is you know, we just let it sit overnight. We hit our target P H. And then we boil it to all that lack of that Bill. Now, you will get this really interesting yogurt smell in the brewery the day, you're boiling off, and that also gets rid of it in the in the boil off it does keep it from being vegan friendly, which which kind of you know, out where I'm out. I don't think it's as big of a deal vegans down here there, certainly are there on your dinner plate. But there are there are other people that would be concerned with that. And that's another reason to go with the other pitch. But what what I was getting at is. We pulled ours at my one fifteen to one twenty and I feel like we don't get a lot of the other lake pedia. Cock is and stuff like that. We won't get that building up at that temperature. So taking one step back that whole thing you are using yogurt to create this this bacteria and to build that your boiling to kill off all of the stuff. Yeah. Why isn't it again? Well. It really makes an entertainer anyways. Your by your foiling law. I can't I can't speak to that. It was touched by an animal project province elm, but says it's beacon friendly. It was touched by an animal product. It's and I'm comparing this to like a kosher food. There's very strict rules about how you can and can't and and that's kind of in your ballpark with your class that you know, you can call something this because of this. But if it any kind of animal product touches something they were animals used a fertilizer on fields. Same type of and not the same. You could technically go out and take care of that yourself or they could take every humans, and and I mean, we could reuse our sewer people could yogurt to probably comedy. People probably could make yogurt too. But we're we're author. Animal. About fertilizer, and I just said, no shit. So we boiled off that. And then we put it in. We put in affirmative firm it with regular use. And that's now with ours. We do limit peels to it. They give it a little bit more than just limited taken. And there's also a little bit of black pepper in a little bit of Sita paradise or sees paradise with rains, favorite, whatever. Paradise seeds multiple names for but it's all it's all the same thing. And that doesn't come out until it warms. But I never do never knew that you put a black pepper in here. But you said that that thing that I get that's yeah. I think it just it is just a little bit kind of gives it a little bit more complexity than just the street. Eight to nine was now what we offer is. It's called Europe. And it's just German raspberry syrup is what it is. And so can we talk about the one that I tried? So you don't have out right now. What's that? I thought that one was dammed interesting, which one the hops here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We do testing rent a room. Sorry. Brett, not Brent at urban artifact. When I I talked to them before they open, and he let me try. They actually made this really good hops here. But they don't they never went forward with it. I guess they have it very briefly at the very beginning. Yeah. Yeah. And now stuff that was amazing to me was like Honey sugar and condensed Hobbs. I couldn't get my hops the match what they did. And I don't know if they maybe it was just because they use four hops. But I tried everything. I could I tried cheesecloth. I I always got a green tend to it and a little bit more bitter than I wanted it to be. So personnel here with the night tried it Hugh top head, right? So me, I'm more of us our Belgian whatever kind of guy that syrup made this Berliner excellent to both of us. So if we we've thought about it, and honestly, I'm just trying to figure out like I'm just trying to publicly push you into saying bring it back because if it's public then you're going to have to do it. It's a possibility. See folks, you just said he's doing you heard it here, you heard it here first time thing because this last batch that we made I have people have been demanding that since we ran out on legs Luton, we actually ran out at the big fish show and people have been demanding. Got back. Yeah. Yeah. An actually made it what if you've been doing and actually made it for him for us. I haven't had the time like when I get home. I'm b. I make homemade I make it. So it's one of those things that I don't really want to sit down after brewing all day improve syrup Tissa. Tissa relax inn veg out. So anyways, we offer that as a side. You don't have to get it in there. You don't we tried to do it Alicarte? So you put it on yourself and yourself, but you don't have to our bartenders can put it into personally. I like it when I when I do use that stuff. I like putting a heavy amount ends where it's like. Pink instead of drums, when what you added the mind. Turn it. Thank. And it was very sweet. Yeah. I I like it as an accent. So I don't usually put as much because I like is at all. I I like the beer the way. So there you go guys you got three to six on. So when you come get your beer, try try it scored a little bit. Try scored a little bit more dry. Just figure out your whole point. When the Germans did that it's just so you can have a way to balance out the sour because believe it or not it was to shower Germans. And if you had eight to nine it's it's not I mean. I don't know. Well, I say I say like as as Americans this might be more than worse like craft beer thing. That's happening. Especially now with sour beers kind of growing popularity like we've gotten accustomed to some really crazy sour beers. Like, the the amount of tartness that we. Cuts them to. So let's let's talk about. Let's talk about sustainability, buddy. So back to Eric cantor state of sustainable sides. He's he's a he's he's a terrific fellow. So on the show like a couple of times. He was there the day we brewed at my at my backyard to the rainy day brew day, just on the gnarly dot com. I'm pretty sure you can pray type in the search bar. Eric Tanner, all the shows come up that he's been on. He was him in Anthony Stober founded brewers by the we've kept in contact over the years and well since I'm at a mad at Mike the last show, I was on. Now, I was on another show that never got released. My. So he was on that too. But and we were actually brewing on. So they they found they they founded brewers, buddy. Yeah. That was a good one. We actually. Yeah. Sorry. That ain't never never got this. Thank you can probably still get on periscope, and it's probably on there. So we. He approached me about this project that he wanted to put together in like, I said, it's it's now something more fended as Earth Day project that we're all releasing it on every day. And the goal was to make Buri more sustainable, so that was a tough one for us because we're pretty sustainable already. When we when we moved into this building, we converted all the what do you call those high halogen lights that are in basketball, gyms and stuff like that. We can all those leads. What does it mean to be sustainable like? So it's it's through the brewers association is a big part of the sustainability movement. Like, I said, my wife is our our sustainability officer for the brewery. So she's like she's assigned to that for the brewery. She's bads. Yeah. She know it says opposite stain. She's. She handles that. I mean, it's mainly. We update it's about data gathering. I so we just faded data you gather like what your electric usage is which gas usage is every month month over month and then after your first year or so they kind of okay. Well, here's how you're training. Here's ways that we can approve it. They put you in the context of there's a lot of like. Tax credits and things like that that you can get. I mean, we got a huge credit on these these LED lights do. Now, he's actually do credit. I'm sorry. But they they put you in contact with resources that that help you that help you become more sustainable in m more environmentally any brewery can do. Yeah. Well, any I think they're even opening it up to people that aren't members of the brewers association, which you know, it's most are, but just in general like even as like consumers like Duke like push really hard to get you to switch out your light bulbs to they'll come out to your heart's no-one, quote, sustainable lightbulbs. They'll put in weather stripping for you. Then do all sorts of stuff. If you call do so Duke is actually wanted to better companies about that. Which prize the crap out of me because you know, they always seem like they're pretty greedy. And you know, they're still well, they're saving money that way. Anyways. That. Getting their own tax credits. So we tried to figure out. Okay. What can we possibly do? Because again, we put in these LED lights we replaced our lights we we already. Reclaim our our coin water, which is the water that we use the cool the beer down to pitching temperatures, which is bad east. So he put that back into H. L LT reduces the energy load to heat that water back up because that water comes back into the H L T at closer to one hundred hundred twenty degrees versus coming in at sixty which is what our tap honors running right now. So big benefit. They are just doing that. I mean, we're saving water. We're saving energy all of our all of our spent grain doesn't go into the dumpster. We've got a farmer that goes to we reuse or yeast. There's many generations as we can you know, it it's all sorts of things. Like that that we've we've built into our business. Now, France, the building ran is not the best for energy efficiency. But it is. It's it works. I mean, it's well insulated. So we thought okay. Well, what can we possibly do that? We don't have in place, and what we came up with was we have this. This. We don't we do not have. I don't know some breweries that you've been too. I don't know if you know what it is. But it's basically just the P car. It's got to tanks on it once ones wash one's sanitizer and you hook a hose up to direct water. Sometimes it doesn't some are just wash and rents most of the time. If burry has that and you go on a tour, they're pointing it out and getting really excited about the fact, it's I mean, they're expensive. There are some that are a little bit cheaper. But you know, they are they're not. It's cheaper than my washer, but not by much. And so we don't have one of those and most of the time when we wash our Tang, we dump the Kostic we've dumped the water, and that's it. I mean, it's it's it's a mentally safe. It's the looted enough that it's like dumping coronated water down. It's not that big of a deal considering how much other stuff goes down on a regular basis. So well, it's just it's the brewing process. I mean, they say it takes seven gallons of water to make one guy on a beer. So what we includes cleaning and everything. So what we did is. We said okay start the finish gonna use the same lauch. We're gonna use the same random blotter. So we went through we filled our tank up which Don just put east into right now with our caustic, which is our cleaning solution. We ran our cleaning cycle on that. Pump that into our may time as we raked it out. So we had a hurry up rake, all grains out so we can put that in their heated it back up and mayor got done rinsing or washing that out took that water and moved it over to it's now in or I saw him do it. It's now in our in our kettle. So we've used the same water for cleaning three vessels. When normally each one to get their own. Now are concerned was is that if the cost turned to dark, we're gonna dump it because then it just becomes a health issue, not really health issue, but equality control issue, and it didn't. So it it's, you know, we got cycling in place for those of you that are worried that that we check the color of the water the whole way through and make sure that it's not getting too nasty. And that it's not, you know, we're not we're not carrying a bunch of. I'm not gonna worry about it till the beer tastes money. I won't make it into the beer anyways. But a lot of people don't on. You know, you want the cleanest to be in the fermentation tanking. And that's how we started at. So we actually empty that fermentation tank morning put it into our bright. And then we started from the fermentation tank and AS we just moved through kind of work backwards through the ruling process and cleaning up so stable suds is a like a contest. Okay. So my understanding it's a competition that you're gonna be judged on three different beers. I don't know how they're judging at this point, do you? I do kind of they are there's going to be three prizes right to the test painting most sustainable, so whoever comes up with the most things that were sustainable about that beer. The top fundraiser, which is a whole other aspect that. I haven't heard a whole lot of details about about how that's going to be figured out because there are some Bruce. It's going to be a whole lot easier for them to fundraise than others. But and that was tough thing for us where Countess out of that one. And then and then fan favorite, obviously, I assume that's just a community wide voting on. What was the best? But how that's gonna work though. I'm hoping you know, we did. But it's an was talking to you about this before we started, we even got plants in here that that Dr CO two, you know, I found high, but we already had that in place. So how do you approve upon something that you've already built your business around fertilizer plants? Make nickel we do. There's actually there spent grain, but spent grain from this this batch not from that Bachelet's there. Yeah. Now, we can do that. I mean, that's not for us to do it just I mean, but you see little plants are there new young plants. So so Burris involved in the competition. You guys obviously phonology again to obviously high grain, I don't really understand that one. We'll talk about that in a second Queen city and swine city high grain is already more sustainable than we are. I think even have solar panels, and they don't have no beers. How how is that? I did know as far as I know they don't I mean, the, and I say as far as I know being they don't have a brewing life there. That they're not. They have not brewed on their system. Okay. Legally. Let me let me back this up. They're supposed to have it before Earth Day. So the the contest starts on Earth Day, April twenty seconds is quickly approaching and ends on Memorial Day. Yeah. So maybe as long as they have beer in that window. I don't know. I don't think I batch is going to before may twenty seven. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know enough about them. I've never met anybody from there dust. They're still let's just put that. That they're Bruce systems and. Place in Silverton. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. They're they're ways away from my understanding. Maybe they're just brewing on another system. And maybe maybe they don't anticipate really like really partaking in the competition side of things as much as being involved just to help. Spread awareness. Built that entire brewery to be sustainable brewery. And that might be what right. Maybe they're just going for the most stable category. So visit few improved your space that much that time for may good job post the show on Monday. I will call them out on social media and say how the hell are you guys in this because where's the beer, and we'll talk about it? So that's like that's a great motto for the show for the rest of the year. Where's the beer or there? Yeah. You know? I'm looking at a fucking empty glass. But. He got Legg's. Sorry. We did like an extra show. So yeah, it's it's about it's it's not necessarily about the contest side of things. It's about spreading awareness of. An industry that is it's hard because like as much as craftier who is crazy about sustainability in about progress. It's not the most sane -able industry. It is. And it's not I mean, you gotta think number one. Where's your location, right? Right. Because like an area like this. We have plenty of groundwater, at least at this point that you know, we're not anytime it goes down. We've got good. We've got good sewer processing centers that are taking all the the chemicals and stuff that we Don for the war that we've done cleaning it up making a clean water again. And then we get it back as clean water to me. That's a hundred percent sustainable now the energy that goes into it. And if you could figure out a way to reduce that anywhere, then you're helping out with sustainability in terms of water my favorite stole Alaskan. Really? Oh, they're they're one of the best. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I actually had to call them. But so we had a we had a report that we have to do in a presentation we had to do and Siebel, and it was a group project, and I actually called them up there. They actually got red of everybody in there in Juneau. Right journa-. Yeah. So everybody had the game. They are the best looking lawns the best looking garden because they know place Juneau's here the heavy how you can hear that. Juneau Juneau's an island, right? They're not in Ireland. But you cannot get there by car because backs into a glacier. So it's yeah. On the land, but you have to fly or sail in they had to figure out once they got to a certain point. What do we do with our spent grain? So they spent a massive amount of money on what's called. To may filter. I don't know anybody in Cincinnati that has one, but it's possible. Maybe same Adam mind, locally extra spent green. There's a farm somewhere yet. Take it agree. They ran out of farmers. They ran out in Alaska different. There's still was. But what they were doing when they launched in Ohio. I got to talk to their rep whose name was Andy. No, of course. So I know so hard to believe the Burgh industry. So anyway, Indian talking, and he he was describing this process to many cinema spent grain on barge down to Washington state to farms down there. Well, it's rotten by the time. It gets took three weeks to get there, which I'm going cruise ships make it into anyway, whatever I gotta take his word on that. So he said what do we do with this? And so you were talking about the mash filter, and they take the spent grain the dry it out and make bricks out of it. That they used to fuel their next batch. So in their words, the more beer, we make the more beer we can make. They were actually they were actually until they figured out how to burn it. They were actually putting it in the and it was restoring a fish population. It's amaz-. It's yeah. So when show this thing the way it works is it's their kind of longer. But they're like it's like a big, I don't know rectangle tight. I can't remember my shapes here not a cube. But like they along cube rectangle. The. Box box. I it's a longer though. I it's it's actually like it depends. It's all about the size of your your brew house. But it could be you know, from an, and this isn't really gonna help anybody. Let's say ten feet long. There's some actually there was one in Kentucky. That's for sale. I can't remember which Maria was but they had was like why do they have in? It's a fifteen. It was fifteen. I think that's what they were saying to. So how do we have this fifty? They were selling whole brew house. It was out of business. It was if fifteen barrel brew house. Why would you why would you put that on a fifteen house? Now, the thing is is that it's incredibly efficient instead of using a regular mill like we use the cracks grain use a hammer mill which just turns it into flour. And you may ask that dump everything out. You don't have to lottery at all the mash filter does all the lottery, and it just goes to the series upon series of filters. Just compresses it more and more and more. And each time brand gets left behind you end up with these bricks that they? Pull out after it's crazy. It's a lot of I'm sure of one of those bricks won't what what they told me was you have to be producing certain amount of beer for this actually be viable. I. At eighty barrel system. Maybe right. And at the time because this goes back to and a half years. Nobody in Cincinnati was there. Well, still just one right? It's on eighty barrel. Vigor? Now tree Ryan guys while Sam out there both. Oh, yeah barrel. But I don't think Ryan guy says eighty I don't think. Sixty Taft is I think they're right about that. I don't think so. I tour, but I'd had a couple in me that night. I I'm trying to remember. I don't think it was quite. Buddies over that line of the matter, and it's about. But it's also the former back into it because we have a lot of farms around here too. So sorry, you're what's the what's where's the? Where's the benefit? If you've already got somebody. You're you're talking about rebuilding your brew house had a massive cost that might not necessarily be all that sustainable for you. Because you're actually feeding foods at a lower production level. Yes. Yeah. Well, no, even at a higher production level. I mean, the best and you're gonna get out of it as fishing see more than anything else. But your your big issue too is. So let's get a little bit more technical than we're already getting about these things, right? You're you're Plato degrees Plato you usually have to brew beers around that similar degree Plato intil or you have to reset set. You have to change settings on your on your mash filter. I'm not I've never used one. So I can't speak to it. But that's just my understanding with Alaskan told me is that you know, it gets frustrating when they have a bigger style coming on because then that got figure out what those settings are going to be for the most part, they proved fear. That's all at that. Same degree Plato, and it just goes through. The whole time without making much change to it. But you've got to brew a lot of the same style. Veer a pale ales, or you know, things that fault. I'm not saying, no, they don't put a Puerto can fall in the same degree Plato is paler onto saying. But let's say let's say nine degree played. Right. I mean, you're looking roughly in that range are not gonna get anything big ABC, or you're not gonna you're not gonna very much is what I'm trying to get at. Some kind of sports game happening. Somebody somebody just fell and I was wondering if she's okay, but she seems to be. She. Okay, she fell pretty hard. She took it pretty nasty fall. Wasn't learn. All right. So back to, but that's that's incredible. So I don't know. I guess I guess my whole thing is is that even those biscuits are cubes of brain. You can use the feed, you know. Sure. Power whatever it's just not going to be. You know, I'm going to be enjoyable for the cow. It's not just that too. That is part of it. But there's also so what they do what my mind views to the farm, and my my brother in law owns the farm and my nephews pretty much run the farm now. Although my brother-in-law is a big part of it's still too. They take and put they mix it in with a so they'll they'll save. Hey for that. So it's still in and it keeps it grass-fed. So this way, they don't have to supplement with corn over the winter. They can just use. Hey and mix that spent grain in council like, hey, they like grass, I know that that seems we are eat it because that's their option in the winter. Right. But day prefer gray us over. Hey, anytime anytime, but you're also bigger picture. You're talking about sustainability as a whole, and you know, when you talk about a place, like Alaskan brewing company sustainability is not just the actual animals eating the product that transportation. It's right. It's always everything goes. They did something similar there wanted. Should they do with every? Not necessarily an island, but being like in the bigger sense, like an island from everything around them. They're in this little tiny bubble is the stupid place opened a brewery. But that's grown is big as grown too, right? But it's you know, you you're in this this bubble of existence trying to find ways to make it work sustainability becomes and essential to to existing like, it doesn't just become like a fun thing to talk about it becomes how you make it all work, and that's. I would like big into them a little more sometime to see some. In their everybody. That has helped there's incredibly nice. I mean, that's that's the other. If you ever wanted to get an interview with him would not be hard. That's it. When when I was working at W C P O's when I talked to them, and I met them at the opening and the guy civil you should talk to our see whatever sustainability buddy, whoever it was. And I said or the here in will know, but you know, he's wasn't sustainable enough to so. So you call up there, and you're gonna talk to all I'm supposed to talk to this guy. And I looked on their website. Like, this guy's not gonna talk to me. Oh, yeah, right there, and he picked it up. And he's like, yeah. I invited. So and so in here too, and they just they were also excited to be. And this was kind of about their high of opening and I got so hung up on how they ruin their beer. That's what I ended up writing about is like this is when you do it down here. Yeah. Have to hear necessarily. Size too. But it took them a long time to get they started. They started to similar to how we start except. I think they started fifteen barrel field like it took them over fifteen years to get. Yeah. You're probably so talk about your beer. So we're doing we're really trying to get it incredibly clear. We actually went to look like champagne when it's all said and dime. We wanted to have a bird people don't know Super Dry. Let's get my technical hat. So we're we use breweries that make them and back to the whole vegan vegetarian thing. It's an enzyme. My understanding derived from pigs. No, it's got to be derived from towels because it's kosher, and I can't remember the other the other one that has to be at his cO Scher certified though, but it's not vegan certified so. It's the ri- from some sort of animal product. I'm sure it's something that they produce. It's called amyloid Luca late amyloid Luca days, we use the BS g which is ambler three hundred. What that does is it cuts? The six, and I wanna say the six in the four chain of the sugar molecule the carbohydrate molecule that that goes into beer mad scientists, and but I'm probably wrong. I mean somebody's gonna come on. It's six in the one and what number should they called? Five six seven seventy drink. So. So anyways. It cuts that actually so what you're talking about. Is you're talking about this this complex chain. It's Dextra n- export allina carbohydrate. It's sugar that east can't eat and it breaks down into all sugar yeast can eat. So usually what you get in terms of ferment sugars about seventy five percent of which are may ashes this is supposed to make up to a hundred. I don't think it actually ever gets at that point. But what you wind up with wind up with fears that finish below one point zero gravity. If you if you do it, right, which means it's high AB, basically, you don't always realize how much sweetness is in the beer that you're drinking you've gotten used to the fact that. There. And there's things balancing out that kind of stuff when you taste something. That's really that dry. It comes off as excuse me Fareed, Dr champagne like is the way that kind of a brut champagne as what what they named it after the enzyme itself's been used in big beer for a long time. It's how Nicole trews made a tau all of those are made. So if you're at home began thinking, you're being really good to your body by drinking Metallo Baltra. You're not really a vegan anymore so order steak. That's right. Culture orders to. But it is the they all use variant of that that amyloid Luca days, and it it's basically make a light beer in the first place lighter than they normally would. And then put that in. So let's say they're making a two percent year. They put back that amyloid glucose that enzyme men, and that'll break it down to a four and a half percent or something like that. It'll make it's a little bit of exaggeration air. But like they'll make it three percent Bjarne. It winds up being the four and a half that make 'Altria's. And if you wonder how they get that high be without the caller, that's how they do it. So you're breaking your carbohydrates now to ferment sugars meaning that the carbohydrates do not stay in the beer. I mean, you'll still always have a little bit. But they're more complex than just your your dexterous, which of your most common carbohydrates make sense. Yes. I it clear as much I okay? I know I know it's kind of technical talking about that. But that's everybody's kind of made one around here. This is going to be really are third. Heard. We did one that was like a blend of. So it was a riot PA an east coast west coast night in the mid west earn uproot IP AL combined. So we used right? We use. We had a nice karma background like you would expect from west coast IP at head that Ryan note to it. But then it was all New England style, hops, and it was dry as can be because we put that enzyme. And if that was the first one we experimented with then we did on our pilot system, basically this recipe, but we had smoked malt Senate. So it was like a smoke the version of it wasn't quite for everybody. So that's kind of why we're not doing that on a big scale smokers. Are it was I mean? I enjoyed it. Smoke was very light. And it which was our goal with it anyways. But, but you know, but if you if you it was the band aid smoke to which men automatically paperwork, I taste bandaids. This isn't right. And well, it's a smoke beards. Oppose the taste that way. Don tastes like smoke the tape bandaids. So, but it was on our pilots to and we had one of it. Did you ever ask anybody? Why bandaids? Yeah. All that's I think I think I had our our vast least probably the guy that we did that we did an employ brewing competition, and he's the one that did it this. So this is a recipe him, and I developed together band aid Mike now. No, you should I should he probably wouldn't like that. All right. We change the hops up just a little bit. Because today. When I got here. We kind of realized that our shipment and interrupt with the hops we ordered. I have on tier that kind of comes in and just picks my brain more than anything else. And he helped me put my order away and disarm carry the hops. They're not thinking anything of it that they all arrived that count them and the whole day. I actually checked they did not order them force. But they didn't normally what happens is I get an Email back. Hey, routed of this hop. So we sub stop we substitute today. Just normal day here at is. Any brewery? No, but she wound up. It's also not like a like a flagship here. The people are expecting it to be this. Right. It's like it's it's swaps. The first time and honesty, we look for Hobson very similar characteristics. I mean, the may one we were gonna use the Nelson. I always say Salvi on. That's not how you. But that's not how you supposed to say. It is the actual look the way it looks because it's not in France, or it's not French. That's that's what I was told. But I don't I can't even picture the way that that word would look Vigna all. Solvent nome. So Don, you rock and roll today, man. Okay. What's beer? It's called sustainability, buddy. Buddy. It's based on two things with at part of. Got your slippers on? It's not gonna make sense by son just came up smack back me on the stomach and said slip. And then ran away should've never explained it. Just let it oh Dowie let it ride what people wonder. Good show, but slipper. Slippers sustainability buddy, there's two meetings to voice, it's part of the reason we moved forward with the name, even though I it comes from a south park episode where I leave butters was cartons accountability, buddy. And so that was part of it. And I just thought that you know, there's good alliteration in that in that word sustainability buddy veg too hard B's in there. But it was funny. But I don't know if we're gonna name it. And then I was like wait a second. Eric Tanner got me involved with this Rosebud. He start him in Anthony started brewers, buddy. And unfortunately, that companies no longer around Bush great product if any of you were fortunate enough to get it. And if you're a new listener to the show, and you're jumping back. I'm listening old episodes. You'll hear a lot about Burs, buddy. Yeah. So they I just not, you know, that'd be kinda cool tribute to them to just have it in their -solutely. But yeah, that'll be coming out. That'll be coming out on Earth Day. We kinda wanted to release it for diversity. But I think we're going to have to hold it back just to be part of the competition. I don't want to get a leg up or anything. But it would be nice because our university is on twenty eating against the brewery that may not release beer. Yeah. Out you consider this cheating. If. Yeah. I mean, we're only looking at we're going to be closed for Easter Sunday. And then which is the day after anniversary and then closed on Mondays anyway. So it'll come out on Tuesday. So there's going to be enough. Good beer that weekend though for people. And especially now that we got go hot yourself back on. I mean, people are happy. Well, if you want to know more about the anniversary today next week because that's what we're talking about. We're talking about the adversary, and we're drinking and we are time travelling. Andy. Thank you very much. Andy. Thank you very much. We'll be back next week Andy how Sandra because the way we roll. And then the week after that, I don't know my head but something fun since Hebrew cast the poison centre craft.

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EP118: Alcohol, Drugs and Suicide Attempt! Niall Colgans Incredible Comeback Story

How To Cut It in the Hairdressing Industry

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EP118: Alcohol, Drugs and Suicide Attempt! Niall Colgans Incredible Comeback Story

"This is not in hedge an industry cow show with tom lane episode number one hundred and eighteen welcome to how to cut it in the head jesse industry that gives you the insights inspirations and information to take thank you the next level as your host dumb welcome back to health equity in hairdressing industry podcast show with myself dumblane and i'm delighted to welcome you to the u._k.'s number one and original original podcast show for the hair barbara in industry and this is the podcast the gives you insights inspirations and information to take your headdress in zimbabwe and careers to the next level on today's podcast alcohol drugs and suicide attempt no cogan 's incredible a comeback story and if you like what you hear make sure to subscribe to get new episode every week and if you're listening on apple arches do leave us a rating and in review this week on how to cut it if people are struggling and they start to feel that you know make contact with people. It's not the end. 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I give up nal experience but he is a living proof prove that you can come back no matter where you are in your life and he's going to reveal whilst on the surface his life was looking amazing. He seem to have a great success but behind the scenes the cracks will begin to show and it's going to tell you how he found out co how he found drugs unease oh sacramento you in a very emotional way how he was very close to suicide on the cliffs of my her now this podcast you you must sit and listen to nephew have to stop halfway through do but come back to it all right. If you're listening in bed relax close your eyes and picture this story so here we go the incredible comeback story of nao cogan introduction. You just heard it so we've mentioned that we don't bring it on to the podcast today cogan of null cogan hairdresser and some of you will be sitting i think in this isn't the most world-famous hedge hey jessica well. You probably roy insane but the reason i've got no coming onto the show is he has a story. The i think need sharon green so i'm delighted to welcome onto how to critique podcast non-oil culligan so welcome to the show now time for million absolutely great to be on in the podcast. I listen to him every monday. So like the fact that i'm talking to you and i wanna say thank you said to me and luck doc sinaloa we can't connect to on instagram and you reached out and you shared a story with me and and it really was powerful and i just saw as soon as a have to bring this on this one people today is about you know we can get to rock bottom career in hairdressing but it's never too late you can really rebuild and get to where you want. No matter where in our lives so that's where we're going to go. We're gonna be tight the listeners through your story but before we saw head inter just want them to know where you are right now the business you've got where you're based. Okay so oh my silence called <unk> hairdressing. It's open ten years callaghan stranded limerick and it's rice on the river shannon and i am overlooking the river shannon on o'callaghan strand and it is just the most beautiful area limerick limerick gets a terribly bidirectional bullets really beautiful city and and i opened the elephant june nine and we celebrated ten years this year and i'll tell you it has been out an absolute another rollercoaster okay. I think that you know when when you open a business like like i open <unk> we call it a luxury brand here. I signed am. I didn't know what was coming down the line with ten years later here. I am if i was to reflect on my last ten in years. I'm actually ten years into a three year. Business plan and i've kills completed year. One eight does makes got. I well when you go into business gear south initially no matter what your experiences you really need to know what you're about any to know what you're doing and and i i didn't know what i was doing. I had a head absolutely no idea i i suppose i had a good reputation as a hairdresser. I i'm very lucky that but i was always fully booked behind the chair and i just thought to myself when the time came the next move is to open my own solemn bluffs. I think it's really important to remember that that if you go to open a salon <unk> looking back on it now i really should've started did with maybe four staffer fights that started with twelve or thirteen and it was a big bright neon and it was too big but i open for my salaam dumb. I opened a sixteen caesar salad. You know at this point just just as a recession kicked off in limerick ghetto so in ireland in two hundred nine. It was absolutely the <unk> insurance the same in the u._k. But there i was in a recession. The session opened a luxury brand at with with a team of twelve and so it just put me behind the chair working so hard day nice ice to try and uncover the cost wages and everything the reason i said on ten years into three your business plan because might business plan was bizarre my business. I did happen to hit the figures and projected his at the end of the year will be his the plan ten years down the line. It just proves i didn't know what i was talking about too you know and looking figures from the configuration the the air but the the most important thing. I've only come to learn this. You'll hear it when i when i'm telling you my story when you open a solid you need to be a leader and and leadership with solemn that sites is absolutely vital and and i think being a boss or manager our our our you know whatever way once little isn't enough. I think you need to be a leader. You need to be able to to if you take your team individually guide them in the sorts of directions. You want them to to to move in the future. I mean after all if you have a salaam like i have my name is over the door and why would you have anybody that doesn't believe in your standards <unk>. It's got you've got to instill your standards. It's unusual but you got to do it in such a way that rather than saying go to your team you're saying let's go and i think that's what makes a leader but for the first eight years i honestly didn't i was flat a i really did not know how to how to go about being a leader how to go about. I pulled all these people in to try and help fix the team when it was actually he's fixing and so it's only in the last two years on i'd say the last eighteen months that i got the confidence to move forward a sectoral detainment. I said guys this is my vision. You should move forward and i knew here. That's the i actually got my vision very early in my career as executives but i wanted to do both i remember breath in february of last year. I remember this leaving at milford. Hospice remembered at mytalk. This is that's it. I need to go back and i need to go into my teeth and i need to instill nation needs to tell them. This is where i want to take my business and i said i left milford. Tostitos cut my mother-in-law just passed go into that later both it. You left me with a different outlook on life. I'm when after the funeral went back in a sat down with my team. I said to them rice. I'm getting rid of the people that are looking after our social media. I'm taking over myself and i said to you googled best hair salon. Limerick rick best color limerick best limerick best bali is limited and we did not feature and i knew we were doing incredible work okay. I knew the salomons doing incredible work so i said to them. It's timely showed not just limerick ireland in the world world. Gujjar is a team and it's time that we started to promote you in such a way that people realized that we are about team we are both moving forward together creating this flowing of solemn and like it's it's absolutely the enormous to me that that we all saved from <unk> and everybody has sort of mindset that i happen. You'll hear where i got my thoughts from as a young hairdresser and but i have i have i have a very very strong work and i've always had a very very strong work ethic and through my darkest times in my life in through times of alcoholism and addiction. I never let my career suffer. I always had that passion for here and a passion for here and have a passion for music but but those two things at really saved me at the end of the day so i might team understand where i want want to go. They know that i have a why they knew that i have and they know how to portray our brands a not just the national and international scale under at fifty years of age and eighteen months since i started this this journey on on instagram which very difficult thing to do instagram because you have to you have to build instagram and it's a bloody hard i am followed as often we followed but i don't mind that so much because we're building a i suppose a group of core followers that love what we do and reason we lose as many follows followers is we gained like we had one hundred or something followers when i took over the account <unk> tweet three thousand four hundred and that's in the space of a year i consider that great growth to as well yeah. There isn't one book follow on that. No not one bucks out of it we can we can talk about that later down liberty hairdressers. If you want to the other night just to let you know by the way we have a private chat going on. They have to cut the instagram conversation. We've been having been are group's tap way to talk to you about that so i love trying to get there and so what i really wanted to do was to get this message out there by into say that amongst down the line instagram is tough at <unk>. We're building a core following. I firmly believe that's. I believe in a certain type of hairdressing dum okay. I believe that's the hairdressing industry industry hit an all-time crisis recently and that is am i certainly when i used to go to london into the world heritage in congress. You remember that dumb. I went to it myself yet. The world's hairdressing congress. Oh fantastic fantastic tastic both everybody that's on stage at those things as a showman aren't they show matters show woman rice so <unk> happens especially after ninety five ninety six navy plus the tony greig raw connection collection bins around then owning start like absolutely stunning nick they created all this freedom with shape shape and all my god i absolutely loved it but here's what happened to the hairdressing industry after that because we were also used to soon we'll also used to these beautiful geometric shapes and then all of a sudden all this movement to texture was coming into here and and there you are the oldies hairdressers were viewing this now and here's my philosophy here okay. I believe leap haircutters should consider themselves as architects builders and interior designers okay because it's like somebody said to me. Hair isn't rocket science. I and i say it bloodied by lynch is rocket tryon's because if you believe it's not rocket science will then and you think you've conquered the world well then you can never problem hair is is is there to be respected love treason with you know with everything that you have and so i- approach every haircut with us in mind so i plan the haircuts and then i build this is a love that straight away that whole purpose at brand you as a hairdresser and your passion and just comes over in abundance really does not and i love it. I can hear you just are loving the industry but otherwise wise and what i want to do right. 'cause i wanna get into this but i'm going to take us right-back now. Take right back because i know you went into into hairdressing on a snap decision i did. I just take us from that moment. Because i want to. Just go through you will story now as we go into this podcast okay so childhood was extremely difficult. Okay does not oh the snow covering over the cracks there it was it was it was actually the difficult and i was the eldest boy in a family of six the two older sisters mistress and home life was tough by parents didn't have a great relationship and i suppose i suffered at at the hands of my mother. If you like in the sense that she was tough on me i am she definitely i suppose she rejected me a young age and and and that really came through and i rebelled against my parents at very much at a very young age. I suppose i saw myself off. Even though i two older sisters as the oldest boy i saw myself as a bit of protect <unk> and i rebelled against my parents <unk> and and they were they were they were they were difficult times and i think as as my childhood went down by the time i came to ten years of age at my parents i suppose so amazed the problem rather than than you know and and they sent me. They sent me to a priest to got well. I think they sent me to preach to be exercised actually would they sent me to a priest for counseling and unfortunately that's when my life took turn for the worse now dumb. I don't know how many times i went to see the space but i know it was over. A couple of sessions and way not was over at i i felt when i went back home and i i saw my family my my siblings all kind of happy happy and jovial and and i suppose i disconnected from them a if you like backstage at i was i felt terrible terrible guilt and shame you know toss a ten years of age. That was my folks. I was old enough to no end. I disconnected win by when my mic like siblings who are playing cards renting. I didn't get involved and that was dan daf. I embarrassed myself. Music found an absolute overload from music and would you believe them that ten years of age. I developed a working ethos okay so there was a gary old will be couples behind our house enjoyed a number and the ad they were building three new pitches and every saturday and sunday. I i used to go onto the pitch is that weren't being used against phil big silver buckets of stones. They didn't have the machinery that took out the stolen <unk>. That was my job you get ten percents focused and any money earned are used to go down to the question shops android joining us to by myself seventy two singles so i block myself away in my room and i would add to my records i want my family went about their business and from from that moment on i suppose i felt i lost my family. Does that make sense. Am i felt it was it was a different from the other side. I saw that they didn't have to go through that so it life became more more difficult and then at fifteen years of age. When i came to the summer of nineteen eighty five i think when that happens to the only age dumb you a <hes> you you develop a sense of self loathing and certainly guilty chaim okay and i think that you you try to seek people's approval. Anna comes across as as a weakness and i think you're on the back foot at all times at that stage but were at twelve. Actually i had a nightly collection seventy singles. When i was twelve i was working in the shoes runner at between between their fight stores in america. I was working in poachers buyer as a as a gas boy. I was working and my next door. Neighbor was a d._j. And he i am he was working on on a nice called the radio to roadshow which was on every saturday <unk> out fan and sunday <unk> so i would pester him every weekend. Can i go. Can i go. Can i go and eventually you let me go so from the age of twelve to fifteen i i joined him every saturday night on the radio to show and i helped him to set up the gheorghe takedown <unk> after why let me play three or four singles and i i learned d._j. From that so in the summer of nineteen eighty five i had an incredible summer. I really made friends friends for the first time and i felt myself in a situation where i am. I made connections with some school friends that were really into to the same music. I was and you know we. We hold around all summer long togetherness. It's absolutely brilliant but when i went back to school after that summer i began to notice that teams were very different between me and the other kids in school. I don't know what it was there. Was there was a coolness. There was a there was a difference or at that stage i was d._j. In two or three nights a week number got fifteen years of age. <hes> it's become confident enough that i went into the city with my records and said i could be a d._j. Short i looked much older into the fifteen. I have to say but when i went back to school and the kids i think the kids were or so from a little bit of jealousy that i was. I was so so independent you know and so kind of like out there in terms of being different from them and i started to notice early in that school year. That's some of the kids were wearing these <unk> budgets with a._c._c. Written on the and i didn't know what it was asking questions but one morning link i had an absolutely horrific fight with my mother and it was probably the worst we ever had i headed offer to school and i was sitting in school and my friends that i hung out with all the summer which was like as i said a brilliant brilliant summer caving with the a c c by and i didn't have a clue what it was and i went on somebody said what it is as you see back when i was it was the anti kulgam trump and nick whatever way i looked around next thing. I looked out the door. The school are out the window of my classes at fronton school and i saw my mother coming down down. The drive of the school. Just talked myself while i off. This is just i picked taught my bag and left school and i never went back down. I never went back to school and and what i my mother came in to tell them how tell if the principal or whoever how difficult i was you know and i went home anyway that even when my dad came home from work my dad a a realize was an academic he was at the register <unk> number and one of the founder members of university olympic win eventually came around a few years later so i'm sure he had the vision of his eldest son. At coming down the stacks in the university concert hall to collect his degree degree first class honours degree of him filled with pride and here i was after welcome at school so the deal was that day if he leaves school. Do you rather the house so that was i was i was gone from home and i know i was very very young but i think i invented invented couch surfing for a couple of weeks. You know that that creates that went around iced accident ninety five and ah <unk> went and that was the that was the end of my time at home so i from my own i was i was the master of my own destiny zinni at it was it was time for me to to move on and search out. What was there for me. In the world. I a a couple of weeks later down to add this. This thing called manpower. I take it was manpower rankle. It's these employment service at the time in limerick and i went down there one day and i called into the place when i was talking to this lovely lady and she said what you want to do and i said well instead look to be a garda our policemen in in your country i end <hes> she said you have to go to that and i said well. What about a p._e. Teacher or something. She said you have to go to school for that <unk> teacher and then i said well really what i love to be a fashion designer and she said you also had to go school for that. Ask so i talked to accept. Have you ever thought it'd be a hairdresser and i really hadn't done rice which she said. I know. This guy called hugh campbell. He has a solid in town. It's really busy. He's a lovely guy. She'll be here with scottish but he's actually from a role in the northern ireland and she said i'll phone him now and we'll see if we can get an interview so she folds the salon and she said they're waiting. Feel <unk>. Go up into the silent so off by tronto defined <unk> meters up the road to cucumber hair studio and i sat on the couch and it was a double sided couch but i sat on the side that faced hugh campbell rice and he was there working. He left me on the coach for four and a half hours. Born born have a dominant was brilliant because i actually sat there because there was no such thing as mobile phones i actually sat. They are knew who he was. I watched him for the four and a half hours and you should have seen how he worked how he dealt with people how he helped the smiles the ladies faces when he was finished a hair it was i was i was ms moore is i was absolutely not hoped the atmosphere and the place was fantastic tastic or people running around bussey it was it was four and a half hours but it felt like fifteen minutes okay so eventually he came over and he sat down beside eh and he said to me. Do you want to be hairdresser on. I said yes and he said right then feed eight forty five tuesday morning. Get out of my excited and that was my interview. I and that was right for you i did i did in that four and a half hours. I i could see this hold on this. I'd never been the hairstyle my whole life. Members are being cut my hair. I'd never seen anything like us. I should is no but they were like at. I was in there and and and i started to follow tuesday and hugh campbell bill became the father figure of my life from that moment and so big phil began a twenty year career with him where you talk with hugh campbell for twenty years for twenty years yeah my twenty years so move so you with hugh obviously he's an incredibly inspirational talented hairdresser. Your pension really grew from this absolutely like uh not long after i started you know their their training was really excellent had to learn to blow during and after about a year ear hugh may be his personal assistant so as he was pricing assistant it was my job to hold hair rather than section clips and blow oh dry all clients and and i would be in there for stay in the morning and i would leave when he was finished that nice at there was no talk of lunch breaks. You know what i mean gate. When you close it was to be tossed. I wish was still in the industry today like i i was i was waiting for every single client and i learned everything i we. It's the backbone of my life what i learned being his. I can't remember how long does this for maybe a year maybe two years but also sorry to but it was a sense of family that you never really felt your pat second one hundred percent one hundred percent and and you know i think to i'll tell you fully story at hugh like his apprentices at the time to go to fos which was that employment agency where they did hairdressing course so that you get the scientific elian typically behind hair. Doesn't he teach you the the the practical but ticket the scientific. He'd like to go to college so i went one day to app <hes> to fos to aptitude test right now school our school situation in our classroom. Situation are exempt. Situation didn't suit me at all. You know it was like put me into prison. I and i did the attitude tests for the day. At the end of the day. I was called into the office debt. The leaders of course said to me at hairdressing not for you. I think you should choose another career and so when i went back to you after that he never mentioned it again and i never made to do it again and i put my head down and i kept going. We'll put that to the side so so listen i that's but that's where i learned to everything that was that was hugh i watched you grow and develop his business over the next twenty years and it was it was a very exciting time and it was a very exciting time to grow in the company and you know he he he he always like i can't begin to like like to this day. Even though i haven't worked with you know for fourteen eighteen years or so you know i still consider him to be like my dad you know and and i'm so proud to be part of hugh campbell gene poodle which like year over there in the u._k. Like you don't know what it's like over here. <unk> at hairdressing in limerick rick is really built around the hugh campbell gene pool like everybody see around has been trained by him and he still air behind the chair but he's leaving. He's leaves a great legacy like so so you've got twenty years twenty years to be fair. Is that is unbelievable time in one salam for this. You don't hear that that often said and that part of the nod. That's got this amazing <hes> training behind you. I'm guessing you're successful behind the chair done well in asylum but was designed to then. Have you own hairdressing business well. There wasn't legally at that time i had. I had grand vision that i wanted to be a platform artist in that. I wanted to be famous but yeah yeah but that was that was that was that was an eagle thing you know and i think you know when you're when you're born out of that sort of idea at it's never really going to happen in all. It's got to happen. I'm for you at organic <unk>. I believe and both i had this idea that that that i wanted something else. I felt after twenty in two years. Even though i had a very happy time with you and i thoroughly enjoyed my time there were people in the in the hair cupid lagoon to four salins at this stage and throughout my journey i had i had become an integral part of the educational team. I had become the manager of the one of the salons and yudo it. Was it like i had achieved what i felt. I was going to leave there and and i made a not for couldn't refuse on an an a challenge. I couldn't refuse and i felt that that it was an opportunity that i had to take and and then began for years away from hugh campbell hair what was on challenge so at this company called 'bellissimo came to me i am actually they come to me a number years earlier but but i certainly wasn't ready to take on the role what they came to me they had the solid galway aland <unk> and they came to be looking for me to be their creative director and to help build our brand and to take take it up a notch or two rice so i somebody had given me this great idea. I sat down with him and i said rice at if we're going to do this i would like to rebrand the hair salon. <unk> witches abysmal is hair health beauty nails. It's up. It's got the cafe you know. Oh wow that's art stuff and i said you know i'd like to brand the hair salon. Side as director costs okay now. I'm sorry i didn't didn't keep the director scott to be honest because i love the name of asala the tagline wells purist vision and i always think that the the directors it's called vendor. Philip is the purification of how the film she'll be viewed so if you get to see a director <unk> any film <hes> it's probably the best rushing rushing you know and so i love stash and like juror during those twenty years with hugh and because of you've various things that have happened in my life like i had started drinking obviously at a very young age i when i left home like i was is free to do whatever i wanted. I said i'm afraid to go out every night of the week i because of the sort of lack of confidence that i had an even though people will look something johnny babble the other day and he said to me <unk> does he remembers me <unk>. You had this swagger or this confidence. You were a d._j. Were hairdresser you had you had it all when <unk> when someone like he looked at me and look at your manny's d._j. In the hairdresser going to have to play the strictly rhythm on saturday nights yes that's how that's what it looks like outwardly but i had this crushing pain and and and and could not shake it off and at through got time so before i push pain the cushing pain was shame guilt loneliness born from from everything that happened to me as a child and and the abuse and you know and just the rejection of my family really i think and and then i had a very difficult relationship at nine hundred eighty nine met somebody ended was a very difficult relationship <unk> ed when it ended now. I came out of it with my beautiful nile. At i was left a broken man. I was just parole after and if it just i i firmly believe you need to love yourself. If you wanna be able to look somebody else and if you look at something like transactional analysis at which is which is a major departments as c. b. t. r. cognitive behavioral therapy and it says that's that's your mind can be in three different states which will be tailed adult or parent okay looking back in that timeline dumb. I always thought and still do think that i lived up to my life with the brain and the mindset of a ten year old boy and that's until i hit sobriety to deter team gene and you know when i started to study transactional analysis on realize the actual impact of of mental health and and how we can actually we can all understand just how big the brain the body and the hardest it's absolutely neutrally massive in terms of you know the brand the grander scheme of things and throughout that period twenty years that i was with you you know <unk> throat my personal life i got married married for seven years and an anais found a in relationships with my wife being a almost a complete replica of my parent's relationship and that was to soon no fault of hers have to say because a have you ever heard the expression kiki mayor kiki fold okay. I saw how relationships developed in grew and that's how i am developed a glue mine because i always had that that fewer fewer that i wasn't good enough at i did not know how to love at that time. I really did not <unk> experience that much later in my life so when when i went to 'bellissimo i had broken up from a relationship broken up for my marriage and i had the young son <unk> not marriage a side. He's nineteen now. I am i embarked on the new relationship as well and and i embarked on this new new job what happens here is that with everything that i said to you comes et et destructive pain. Okay am i don't. I think this is really really important. Point that pain that is not transformed warmed will be transmitted. Okay and you will definitely call you'll definitely bleed on the people that didn't cut you okay and and if take that into account and you look you get the the beauty of hindsight you look back in your life and you say who got. How do i get into this mess time and time again again. I got into a destructive pain cycle outside of our that lasted. That seem to be a good year okay or a terrible year. Okay and destructive pain leads to destruction so relationships will break down everything would be an absolute disaster. What you could numb the pain with alcohol. Okay you could not pay without and i'm an also been ninety ninety four to take ecstasy ended in about two thousand at cocaine to the list so they were they were might know me techniques okay you when you're trying to get away from the screens in your head you have known them down and that's what led me alcoholism and addiction action and it was it was true nomi and when i went to 'bellissimo in two thousand two thousand four i was on fire diana's a hairdresser okay and i worked really really hard behind the chair. What might be at at. I was put in a leadership role as creative director and everything eighteen was absolutely brilliant for the first year or two but then might behavior became erratic not and as i said it didn't take my foot off the pedal ed work because when i began being a hairdresser everybody was saying oh look at nine. He's just a hairdresser and that's how people view the industry so you know like oh. He's a hairdresser and i suppose i wanted to prove to be blind more than just a hairdresser. I'm bloody one. I'm and fully booked all the time and look how much yarn and you know look look sort of car. I can drive and you know it was all eagle. Eagle is built at a weakness legal legal is built out of pain suffering and i believe that firmly i think confidence is built out of luck rights and competences differences built out of normalcy and confidence <unk> and being able to be normal okay but eagle eagle is is is is a different thing together. I believe in that time in 'bellissimo i burn bridges in the irish hairdressing industry and i believe and buy behavior within the company on a personal level was was appalling so when i eventually got fired in under thirteen in february two thousand nine i deserve to be fired it was it was time for me to be gone. Even though had even i was fired i was leaving fully booked callum. I am and the following day. I was fully booked for weeks. Going forward on study books will expose my behavior when when i should have been in a leadership role was off the scale and that's that's alcoholic behavior addict behavior and i found myself a ah taking bottom i going to do i didn't know what was going to do because i knew dom rice that's. I didn't have the mindsets <unk> so i went to see my sister on monday morning. I miss i miss you actually have a drink after i finished and on the saturday after work. No i wasn't working i was i was like going into friday evening and saturday. Even when hugh finish work i met him for a drink drink in southbound and he said to me sometimes after man's greatest disappointment comes as great as subsets glenn taught right okay here we go the now it's time to to to get focused and get started and i have a very good friend. Call diane thornberry and an i method ivan and ivan's a successful businessman he started helping me with with the the idea that i should open my own saleh <hes> so i went to my list with a view <unk> at dera myself could laugh about this today. Darah darren's the owner bliss. Hi dad my sister said what are you doing. You know he said go about building your own brand now. Go go go into your own and he said i'll help you as much as i can and that was that was the pivotal moment and he really dates like we're not for him. The fallible be here today. I wasn't not for that reason. I wouldn't again just wouldn't exist so we set the ball emotion and took 'em to iconic danna garment who was my solicitors health and we we set about we said about nugget hairdressing and i believe that i need to call it talkin hairdressing because i was i had no contact with my clients. Remember like a back in two thousand nine at facebook and all that but i wasn't like hugely huge leap into it or anything but it didn't become the monster that it's become today in terms of social media. Both at i had to get the a message out does a was opening my own silence had call it now coggan hairdressing and i'm glad i did because at you know it's gonna it's is going to sit there and be a representative of what i am today and and and that's really important for me to get across so you what i opened the day. The day came to open my own cell and that was the eleven to june two thousand tonight and remember exception of maine saying q._b._r. The phone's ringing your fully booked. You know the word <unk> that that you oh you didn't show up for work at and you didn't go off the rails. You will hear you vote jerome salle. It's time to move forward but i was terrified fight. I was absolutely terrified and an even though i'd been a manager in my in my previous employments i'd been creative director. I being in an educational director. All the titles might dollar titles what i had no experience because i really stopped those those positions okay. I had no education in those positions on it was all ego driven so i realize now flying by the seat of my pants i taught before the opens silent and i conquered everest would in actual fact i hadn't even reached base camp and i wasn't even equipped with the right equipment to get there and that's a scary lonely place okay. I didn't understand figures. I didn't understand stock. I didn't understand managing managing a team of people. I didn't understand the difference between employees leader. I didn't understand you know like there was all this. This was completely initially an alien to me feel like but danny gorman when he said to me we're gonna we're gonna open the island and and i think the longest people predicted that i would have to settle an open was six months and and had i not been handed to people to help me with my business business who are sean who were that might might bookkeepers wage pairs invoice payers people that the accountants they've been with me from tabled at their the reason from that initial start that the business is still there had i not had them would folded at almost immediate. Both i knew sort of leader. I wanted to be done and i knew i didn't have the capabilities to be. Can you understand how difficult position that will be absolutely so when you find yourself in that situation and you know you know deep down in your heart this is it's not working out for me and i don't. I don't know how to make it work and i don't know how to say no to my team and i don't know how to deal with conflict and people that don't deal with conflict. Okay on top of everything else. If you don't deal with conflict if you don't sit down and deal with issues immediately you build a war war within yourself and that war becomes the this loud explosion okay. It's just constantly raining in your ears on the needs to confusion trouble so it's not okay to be the person with twelve staff behind the chair income morning leaving <unk> nice gills to ensure enough money to pay the wages nice. I you know i thought it would be a license assist print money certainly wasn't it was an absolute eye opener. One thing for me was in september kimber. Twenty ten are two thousand nine. I met me amelia of my partner and i was ten years and is my rock my backbone and if i said the challenge allison where the reason <unk> a is there <unk> that's from the financial figures cited things is the absolute reason why the salad is still there unusual here now shortly as to what i actually put her through and very soon down the line so i met meeting in september two thousand nine and she got pregnant in early two thousand ten and our beautiful son reuben was born in october two thousand ten so he's eight now and life life was amazing with mealy like it was just at but i was in that throw oh of at first year brilliant something trends from what i explained about my destructive cycle around and at that that's breath time was was glorious for media night while at the same time i was i was struggling and facing all these demons and when it came to being the follower and we we went along i i could feel the crack starting to appear early early in twenty twelve between mealy and i and certainly it was of my own making in terms of the inner voice saying when you're not good enough. You're going to be found out your your your your rubbish away. You do your no lead. Are you know you're so you're a disgusting human being that all of that came up and i began my my path of destructive behavior in mid two twenty twelve and when you go down that path dumb and you're dealing with with with a staff of twelve and you're you're so busy behind the chair and then you start secret drinking after work be controlled by a drink or two in before we get home <unk> happened some some chewing gum getting in the door when you get home and because many isn't a drinker was never for a drinker but i would do i would i would get by about the red wine i would fill three large glasses with red wine and put them in the the press and then i would leave about as oppose an inch of red wine in the bottle. I always got a butler red wine. The headed dark color on the buckle. You know that brown brown glass and fill it with water dom and so many when she came out it looked like only had one glass of wind would <unk> jesus eight to me seemed funny tone capture casts and i'd say to her with just exhausted media a you know <unk> just under pressure need to unwind after might might might busy day trying to manage the staff you know an i'd feel terribly sorry for the team. I had them as well because they were leaderless. They were rudderless. They were all gone off. The road direction left. The color is off to to their own devices because i didn't know anything about color i i left her ordering down to their devices. I left the reception to deal with all the money. I left the stylist list to deal with their coughing. You know what i mean. It was like it was it was a car crash and also i saw this competition was coming up for the irish silent on the air and so we entered that and we managed to win monster sounded they are in to the year before twenty one <unk> so to everybody look at look amazing. Okay it looked like oh look at nine o'clock and it's actually when limit solidly or one year and now monster silo the ability militant but the cracks and everything was really of iraq for us in the outside look grace on the on the inside in my relationship meeting and my m the business it was it was coming to a crescendo. I remember in <hes> early in december twenty twelve. We realized something was a little bit different about ruben. He got a very bad illness. In twenty twelve eines. I ends he came out at the onus on really i really noticed that there was something but i considered to be different about it and meaningless saying i think but i would go no no. He's grind. Don't worry about it. He's absolutely perfect. It's i wouldn't be. I wouldn't be taken down those lines. Anti in georgia under i remember it was early. December twenty twelve meany rang me and at about seven minutes calls and december. There's a hairdresser. She was influenced. Tears achieved said i had the she taught ruben had autism and it was it was in the blood drained from my from my body. I think an an all like all i could hear was merely crying and i talked about outbreak. I buried my head in the sand down. Copy happened to wealth in you know it's just this is not happening. I'm signed whereas neely threw herself into learning we went. We decided to go private. Okay excuse me we'd psycho. Probably i go for a private. Diagnosis was confirmed in early two thousand thirteen and i found myself getting deeper into destructive behavior. Okay we're definitely growing apart and and i think think i was making her life completely miserable she was she couldn't talk to me about autism because i didn't know anything about us refusing to learn anything about us. She was stealing holiday xining about us at needing to know as much as she possibly could. About an i was the stupid alleged <unk> at person talks that couldn't help her in any way and it led to it led to serious conflict so we had hit enter the sound of the year again at and <hes> we want we will we will sell the air on the twenty first of october twenty thirteen and became the worst night of my entire life and <hes> worse than anything that ever happened before. I got into alcoholic drinking at an early stage. In the day i took an enormous amount of cocaine and and i completely an awfully made a complete zola myself and my behavior was absolutely an awfully hauling at meeting sister was working for at the time and she had witnessed what i don't know dumb i had got into i had got into a blackout drinking. I the blackout drinker for a long time. You know so easy <unk> get into blackout the tobacco doctor after an act two or three drinks i wouldn't i wouldn't remember i wouldn't remember what happened. Okay the night before. Even if i just had three drinks so am i i went into a blackout state that nice to say ashamed myself ashamed aimed my business. I shamed mealy at who had never been hurt in her life. Actually you know and she was much younger than me. She's thirteen years younger. Don't get me and i left. We had a second son at this stage hugo and she had a son with autism and it's here was this absolute car crash of a man winning. I sell your up in dublin. All she cared about what's her family and all i cared about was was my ego ends. People would say and i know at one stage. She rang me. I was still and she said to me. I cannot believe you're a strong cause. You are a nice it to her new probably going to have to edit this. I said to her. I just wanna <unk> near who and it was a life changing moments done enough to. I'm not going to say that watson tino. She was looking after my two beautiful boys and as she was she didn't know what sort of what sort of states are gonna come home in what sort of behavior at i was going to embark on the following morning and when the the story began to emerge i i've got a lift back to mcknight's and all the hell broke loose and the following morning the true story began to emerge as to what happened that nice. I own oh my cod. I'll never forget <unk>. I firmly believe that if you're really gonna stop drinking really gonna stop taking drugs. You've gotta hit a rock bottom. That is so unbelievably crazy that you'll never forget us. Okay and mealy sister wasn't even very far from us and and she told her and she said media needs to talk to you. Mealy ran out of the house. Okay ran off the road and i'm like what's going on. What's actually happening about ten minutes. Later i see me running back down the road and then began just the most difficult period period of my life and the most difficult period of meetings life because she had been told the story of what had gotten up to the night before and it wiles <unk>. I could not tell you it was down it was it was behavior of of a psychopath okay so the caucasian the home that day dum okay and i was really like i shamed myself in front of the salon so so it looks like i had all of these broken relationships before me. I know i've gone and done it again. Okay and i had broken mealy. She was a broken woman and i saw the prospect of another of two children without me and me not not being able to be there at mead said that she was going to take my brother leo and they were going to go and see my sister. Dan and they were going to help me redo <unk> removed as a director of the company and everything was falling apart dump as you can. Imagine okay i somebody we reached out to me and i am. I got a room in flaccid. Kill lou where we live and i was there for a week and the the the the pain of that week was so grace. That's that that it's indescribable. It's just one of those things that like stealing not only with my own pain but i was dealing with mealey's pain than i was dealing with the pain of my life. I hadn't had a drink since the night of winning. I rescinded the which i never really spoke about ever again. As long as i lived in the ceylon. Are you know what i mean that was just forgotten the and and it was all a lie wasn't ten. We certainly weren't solid ear my silent lead or the leader the salon at and it was a toxic environment geno is all down on taking accountability for everything because it was born from mayan ability to lead and from iraq and it's ridiculous behavior both the morning of the twenty seventh of october dumb. I was in an awful state of meanings. Mom casey came to see me in the in the flat and she said nearly wants to go over and look after the boys. She needs a break and i said to her physically. He can't like i was shaking and i was crying of shaking crying a night. I couldn't even stand up. I was like she said just get interceptor band. You're an absolute mess. Sleep off this ridiculous you know and whenever you wake up get over there mind your children and i could she she left. She left the blast and am i got. This are just defend <unk> to be to say really. I'm really really sorry. I can't write this i can't i can't sort this out. This is something that i can do and you know it's it's. I said i i didn't say i'm didn't give any indication that anything was going to happen and i texted my sister. Orla who would be my bill rock in throughout my from my family's use the eldest family and she had been the person that i turn to when i was in pain and she'd been delayed cried on her shoulder. I get a so am. I sent her a texan. I said i'm so sorry i can't. I can't seem to see a way out of sorting this. You know i and dumb live going to be very important message for for for people that are struggling with mental health something remarkable about happened that made us. This piece descended on me. It was like a it was like an absence of her her elation it was gratitude. It was something that i had never experienced in my life it was it's just overpowered a completely overpowered and i realized it was time to end out and you know i've spoken to people since tom that have been on on the verge of taking their own lives on spoken to mothers two mothers of people that have taken lights as as who our clients might not be able to sit with them and tell them you know i firmly believe that they neighbor in a state of elation when they died. You know what i mean it because it was it was something that i can't explain. I believe that that's the case and an an so if people are struggling they start to feel that you know make contact with people. It's at the end. It's time you know like that's the it's time to actually go whoa hold on a second here. We need to reevaluate but the power of that was missile over powering. I got into my car. I'm okay and my phone was on silent. I put it on the cease beside me the car and and i drove to her. Have you ever heard of the clips from over okay so the <unk> beautiful beautiful beautiful sites on the west coast of ireland for their if you kept similar you made coming back up okay. I was a very good swimmer and i knew if i jumped into the river done. It would take who long to go. I knew if i took a lot of pills that i bite end up with my brain most at became a burden to everybody. I knew i went off the kids the mohur that's that there was no get me back here so i from the age of ten i developed an obsession with david bowie and he has been my constant in my life music david by way where my constant and i put on the reality c._d. By david bowie and the sun bring me the disco king came on you. Don't bring me the disco. King is my favorite david bowie song and he sings you know about memories you know have falling from aspires said the stabbing you in the back you know on you know. This is the end of a felt. This incredible remarkable remarkable sense of calm time was my time. It was my time to go and kiss mower was about an hour in twenty minutes drive from where i was. My sister got an easy feeling after she got the text from me so she rang me and my phone was on silent. Target over was blaring hiring david bowie in the car so i just didn't i didn't even look. I didn't think anybody would be ringing. They are texting me dumb. So am i the laura my phone. I just was lost in this music and i pressed repeat repeat repeat on the sound took david bali ten years to rice and could feel the emotional pain could feel by dreaming of myself as being the disco king. Does everybody viewed me as a d._j. With huge confidence flint's hairdresser <unk> that i had it all like there's difficult came from the disco king. You know what i mean this. This son was like speaking to me on eleven and it gave me the cat that sense of calm so eventually got kipps mohur now the media sister that was working on the night of the twenty first of tober also worked for the coastguard and my sister orla <hes> phones <unk> my other family members that i think i can't get through tonight before somebody pop out to kill liu to mealy and see see if we can find out where he's living because they didn't know <unk> and when they got older my brother got out to me. She says no keith grind. He's you know he's my mother was just with him. He's is an absolute bits. He can't drive by <unk>. Owen said i wanted to take me take me there and get will say when she got there. She humidity died because my car was gone. Rice and casey was saying there is no way this boy could drive. You know what i mean. He was in no state to drive and and there i was driving off the road to kiss him or her in like almost and singing like actually singing. This relation media went straight to the guard station joanna. Her sister said went <unk> nearly kicked the door down to the station said we need to depend mouthful because because i wasn't answering the phone wasn't replying to text i was lost in the music and my drive and and they they went into to the guy to station and they said we need to pin the phone and they said we don't do that. We have to wait a certain amount of time and media screaming at the pin his phone business world joining joining onto the coast guard they gave the hearty and they could my phone at that stage of his glamorous naked similar so around the same time i had polluted for a second ed justice side clips to look at the and i turned over my phone and i had hundred seventy four missed miss calls about i think seventy eight text messages carty seven voice messages and i was quite taken aback. Talk this voice vice everybody winging meaning you know and as i was looking looking at the screen on my phone my sister <unk> and she was i could you went you went to the u._s. And they said sorry of it. You know i should thank god thank you and i said orla. I don't want you to be worried because i knew like no one was near the cave some all her right. I was just as short minutes away from there. I said i'm on my way to catch them. All hurt but i want you to know that i love you. I liked canton. Do what i've done so she kept me on the phone and i said to her. Let me get some kicks and we'll have a tap when they gets kissed. I said okay i said i don't want to be distracted on the phone to you. Drive into some poor misfortune you know said i want to get kicks so i got to the case that i drove into the car park and am i just sat there. <unk> still listening to david bowie and then lift lifted off my phone ringing it again so i answer decimal. I got out of the car and started to walk towards the case and i try to eat right toward. That's that's you know that i was in a very very good place. You know i'm sure it was crying and obvious sure i was saying to our ten everybody. I am so sorry you ghetto but this is you know i can't to gama was ready and it's difficult. It's difficult to look back and realize that you got to respect you. Asian up causing so much watch pain that you are you are actually ready so or a spoke to me and there was a i don't know how long i actually spoke to order for down because but i'm sure she could hear the winds from the <unk> a rushing in her ears and you know but i knew there was there was a there was have the whole operation happening in <unk> and ended. I don't know how many people were in their cars on their way to the clip similar by that stage age but as i said i don't know how long was being voted for but we we were catholic ethic and explain to me. That's you know who do you visit your funeral. And who do you envisage teasing going to be saying and orla uh of course then spoke to me language w understood and she said to make don't get the last word so dumb like i think that was the moment stat that i thought i heard something on a knicks six minutes this discard up to me and he said are you on the phone to your sister and i was so taken aback by his question. I just said yeah. He grabbed the phone the hand i was grabbed from behind i was pulled away and he said we have now. Can you imagine the wings in the noise and everything going on. I don't know how far that phone was from my ear. When he said led to all that we haven't. I could hear a scream now dumb. Dan began the be structuring of my life. I was taken to the <unk> to the n._f._l. Guy station. I think we'll call and they are orlando husband. Sean came to me mealy on her mother and incur sister. That was witnessed. My behavior and there was it was very emotional and the doctor came to see me. They decided that you know. I just read with obsess <unk> and i was ready but i was physical home. Maybe took me home. How how we credible woman to take me home but i went back to work at that was on sunday on on the tuesday. I went back to work. Everything wasn't right on because i hadn't i hadn't i hadn't divulged my my full. Oh secrets <unk> what had happened and the stories were emerging at of what happened in my destructive behavior over the previous b._s._e. Or so and i knew i knew that that's that's you know yes. I was saved from the kids moran. Yes needed tape <unk>. Both she knew that i hadn't i hadn't delivered. I hadn't delivered a hadn't freed myself. Okay okay <unk>. I became extremely anxious. I became extremely a shaky at work and i had my family had an intervention and they came to the solomon day and they took me out and i was taking the same hotson doublet which is a rehab at and they are. I spent a week okay now. During that week in rehab dumb rice and people will tell you about their stories of rehab and they they went through in rehab during my time in rehab mealy came up wants to see me and when she came up. I told her everything okay okay. I said i've got somebody said to me only a sicker secrets. Your secrets ted her told her everything. I said. I can't shame her and she. You can't be any more hurt than she already is. So let's sheep roads improved and i said here you go. Here's blurted it out and they they. It's only knew we were starting afresh. We were starting from from somewhere completely new and she left that day again broken. Both that we could rehabbed on was the best week of my life. It was the first week of my life that i had ever experienced absolute absolute and offer solitude and solitudes is is a before i could never experienced solitudes because of the inner screens of shane you know of guilt of you're not good enough you need you need to block out these voices but i had no choice in saint pat's i was completely on my own and like when you're on your own you just have to you. You just have to take take but the voices are saying you have to. I firmly believed in that week. I listen to news properly to the first time i started to write that week i would right through cap pages of stuff right right right right right. Every time i finished the page i tear it up and put it in the it and i just right right right right tonight. Just wrote for the whole week and i just thought an isaf and i was in my own company and and many on my father came to get me at the end of the week because i realized that my business i needed to get back to my business needed came. We had a meeting with the counselor and she took me home okay. She took me home to my family and ninety nine point nine percent of women in the world wouldn't have done that so she hurt she showed her strength today and she took me home and then it was time to start to rebuild my life's. Can you believe that when i went back to the solemn on the on the tuesday after i've finished in saint pat's there was tumbleweed rolling through my column okay like my mic clientele was built up mainly glimmer people and the story of my behavior had gone viral and the amount of cancellations might business had i lost fifty percent of my clientele in one fell swoop so i found myself with large at spaces of time time for the first time in my life has hairdresser empty i and a so many of my clients that decided that they weren't coming back to my fellow <hes> but i realized identity barked on ninety days program in a which was invaluable and i put my head down and i said it's time to rebuild. I knew then that i had ruined ruined my reputation with my team and that's to go forward. We need a new team and that was no fall to their. They they were all individually greater what they did to have me as a leader. Just wasn't wasn't acceptable place for them to be i would i would consider so i am barked on on the on the on the on a period of rebuilding and you know what the like a ruben stop sleeping in december twenty december twenty. Maybe twenty twelve twelve. He stopped sleeping so like i found myself in a situation that i was this up every night with him. Like many was so busy during the day media's rubens monitor okay. Maybe has sacrificed career. She has a she has brilliant fashion stylist silence. She had a wonderful as shopping them recalled mealy and she sacrificed everything to become rubin's monitor. That's what i call her anyway and it it has been amazing with him so juta her workload <unk> the database is i would get off with during the nice he had this alarm that went off in his is headed to a and he'd wake up every night. Go back to sleep at seven so i tried to get to bed early and get to clock in the morning. Get another hour sleep but seven and then and then head for work so i was truly exhaustive but i wasn't drinking when i look back to the house and i found myself in such a grateful situation i had never experienced graduates and i began to experience gratitude latitude from the time that neely was driving me home at that day when she picked me up from pats and the feeling of gratitude was so powerful it was incredible. The rebuild took a long time. Okay it took an awfully long time and and i knew that i still wasn't there is a leader or i hadn't shaken off the demons so i knew that i had to do was bringing in everybody from the outside trying to help me. You know fix fix the team fixed it. You know how do you make it work. How does this work does that work and don't wanting one wonderful thing happened. In two thousand fourteen dumb. It was about eight months sober. I think it was the sixteenth of june and reuben hadn't spoken by that stage each and that he was four and a half and an ruben had never hadn't spoken the team is pre-verbal and we would be we will give him all sorts of speech therapy head at home choosers <unk> absolutely everything and i was sober now six months feel my presence really coming together for me and my family and i could really feel that it could be a father for the first time in my life. It was fantastic and i took rueben up to bed that night. Sixteenth agenda fourteen might put him to bed on every night night. We have the compensation myself meeting. You know we talk we talk and i put him to bed down and i said to him like i said to him every night. I'll always protect you. Am i gave them gifts and i said good might we've been he said good mcdaddy it was it was so unbelievably powerful and and you know to be present for that moment you know at for him to say not you'll speak words but speak them in their proper context. He started speaking from that moment. It was absolutely incredible. We we've got the dawn we bought million i and and i remember when i finished a ninety days. This guy came to me and you know i was feeling i was listed. Meaning state of means painters get a mike pain came to me and he said there are two types of cain. This guy called every that i met when i never met a began. Although i i went to a few times <unk> at could i kind you said there are two types of pain those destructive pain and this constructive up to pay destructive pain comes in cycles which you have been privy to all your life. We've created this cycle of destructive paid. Hey you drank and you take drugs and you've created a situation dentist. Fallen appear to relationships breakdown people get upset and you eventually died but he said destructive pain always gets a level of healing but it never fully healed rice but it gets a level of healing you move on you know what what you're drinking your drugs move on and and people get over it then that happens again but he said constructive pain is the most difficult pain that you can experience in your life and he said because there's nothing to fall back up said the beauty about constructive painkillers woods's it's gone. It's gone aw it's over and i kept that with me. Dum okay a kept up with me and i move very quickly on to my mother got sick in a january twenty eight and look. I have become chronically. Ill at the the twenty seventeen with with coastal headaches an <unk> four months i think and i was i had all sorts of people in to try and help me to build my business bill. Bill debiting <unk> didn't know the answers and i met this great doctor. He put me onto. 'em oxygen and he said you're not breathing. He said just going to onstar breathing so a stack breathing and that was another game changer so my mom got sick in january twenty eighth eighteen and we realized quite quickly that that that she wasn't gonna come out now in sobriety at dumb by for mom you know i had the opportunity he to to to go back to my mom after all this time and have a cup of coffee with her in her house. My parents had spit up years and years before that and i had begun to rebuild some form of relationship with our okay and then january twenty got sick when we realized that it was coming close to the end. I felt that i had to get the opportunity to sit down and speak with her. I'm you know i i had to i i had to i had to talk to her to talk about my alcoholism but my addiction and my my breakthrough a lot of people call it a breakdown but i call it breakthrough. I talked to her about that and trying to find a long time we throw in the hospital. I could never do reis and the friday the day before she was moved to milford hospice a force he moved to milford hospice and we got a full color back to go to move for toughness and i left work at that moment. I thought i needed to take my opportunities. Speak to mom and you know it was very the unusual for my family to see me showing my mother any sort of low of our our our affection and sympathy because they'd never ever seen china so i think it drew drove into something that they weren't expecting themselves and they were surprised that left work on the friday and they were surprised that i wasn't going to work on the saturday and i immediately got a call on the saturday morning. Tell me i wasn't actually needed and until go to work and to stay stay away dino but but we're looking back understood because they they hadn't experienced that sorta side of me in my but it kind of showing my mother any form of low are anything so the sunday morning. I got up really early. I think it was five o'clock and i headed into the hospital i think in there at about half six in the morning light sat with my mom and but i got in i taught in past actually because she looked completely different and i thought it was too lace but she even though i had been told she had woken up on saturday when i sat debra site or she woke up and i took oh by the hands on that spend four hours with or on my own by played simon and garfunkel concert in central park back and i was able to tell of our storage and the right forgave her and you know that that this would be you know the data was if it was her time to go and cheat she go with peace knowing that she was surrounded now by her family all of us you know it was it was it was a beautiful four hours it was it was incredible. This lovely doctor came in anjelica doctor at the end of and she sat with my mum she looked into where is a my mobile vernon said are you a spirit. I think she thought she had died but she passed on tuesday. I never we never left her again. I'm from that that that sunday morning so we were with a right to the end all and she passed on tuesday nights than dumb when i say that when i left that hospice all of the pain the shane the guilt absolutely everything was gone. It left me that night left all of this everything had carried throughout my life from the age of ten disappeared that nice. I meant i. I haven't grieved my mom since are passing because i believe that i got that kind of gift on her passing of confidence of love of it's okay it's time to forward now and i believe i believe she took us. I believe she took it with her and you know i i haven't read passing because i believe that you know i grieve. Turn all my life. I don't my grieving and and as soon as our funeral was over. I was back in behind the chair. I figure the guys guys. I did two petitions already in my hair designates. Anthony anthony moscow was the judge for two for both of them and at the end of boat placed third and one in second in the other he came to me and he says i love your work. I actually giving you my number one. He was willing to join and i really and i taught the second time he did. A lighthouse cheesy says the all the competitors i but i i ended up having to chat with him and he said to me. He said you've got something as a hairdresser. He said i'll give you one piece of advice on it. Stuck with me forever do hair every haircut as though you're gonna photographs and boom i remember that nice and the penny dropped. I went into my team team and i said right guys this. We're going on instagram. We are going to absolutely make an unbelievable impact. We're gonna do do the hair that were doing. I've said it's always is workshop. Quality hair on selling the point in time. That's my goal. That's my dream. That's my vision or at breath. That's what i like to do like we put up our instagram for our clients not to impress other hairdressers. It's for our clients and my team provide light me with turkey to forty images every single day rice. I poured out that context and just came to me. You know that this is anthony said that and here we have. We've got the power social media. I've got my phone. We've got to have bought a ring lies about the backdrop bush to lead this. It's time to let my my my recovery from sobriety in on my sobriety and everything that i went through my rock and my absolute soldier has been kneeling. Do you know what i mean so she would she bought backdrops solid sheet committed and she do up the salad onc- ear like everybody remarks remarks on how beautiful and it's the you know it is all down to the little torches than the details that need make so i say to the guys mealy. It provides us with this beautiful style. 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Is privacy the ultimate resource? In conversation with Rahul Matthan

A Whole Lotta Gray

48:06 min | 3 months ago

Is privacy the ultimate resource? In conversation with Rahul Matthan

"This whole not agree and annuals host Shanmugam. Is the founding? One of India's leading it off. Loves is the foremost expert in issues surrounding. Yariv privacy and is also the host of his own podcast. The X. mopping-up Davidson Gentleman. It is an absolute honor and privilege on Mr. Mr, Martha, thank you so much for joining us today. My. Had to be game. Tomatoes like so i. think that's just jump right eighty something I believe a lot of my listeners would be. Eager you know? You are. Supremely, successful advocate of. What's your story? Why did you decide to become an adjoining? I mean if you ask my mother, she said. that. I kept arguing with us so much that the only. A professional really suited me. Was was law and yet I mean I've I've always liked to take a point and argue both sides of it. Trying to figure out the pros and cons and and I guess you know it just naturally led to this I. Don't think I landed not like I you know when it was five new lawyer. How this good old game! So I pretty much stumbled into it, but when I. When I you actually get into it Yeah, it was. It's. It's sort of what I was what I was born to be on this is this is the area the proficient that I think. Most of my skills are ideally suited for. That's calling and I think that is evidence for everybody to see so in addition to heading. As at the deck media identical practice, no less you are extensively online and voice your own What is your secret like how you balance all of those things? Look. There are only twenty four hours in the day and you've got to sleep for eight eight of them. And you have to make the most of the time that you ads. So I tried to organize myself. I know that I have to get a bug. GUSTA sold out every fortnight. Which means this? Planning that I have to do and a shed. You have on amount every week. I know there's. A penny tonight with. The rest of the day around that I pretty much get a daytime, but I have a have a good sense of what I need to achieve at the end of the day the week before night. Snack periodically on what you've done. Every you know three days are. Yeah! I'm a little obsessive about. Being as efficient as possible. With with my date so. What are the things I it's? It's a bit nutty. When one of the techniques that uses David Adams getting things done technique. Which? Donald Trump's. Not Not I mean it's. It's IT'S A. It's a book and essentially he says the council your day. Right make your list of things to do Don't worry about. The thing that you have to undo you. Have to do it off half the time. Where bogged down with all the many things to be think we have to do. That that gets diety? I've managed to say look. I'M NOT GONNA. Be Cutting the the after tomato bets the earliest gift to the studio a so why would he wanted to know? A and I focus on things after now Milford or not? I think that that isn't amazing. deb generally date things step-by-step as when they come. And another thing I wanted to ask you regarding your lifestyle is I read recently that you try and continue fifty books, and Galileo is this true? Yeah I mean I. Try to speak. So. That just adds up to fifty to. Thirty that I've been doing. It I mean I've always heard a lot. two years ago. Actually you know. A friend of mine told me that he needs a book league. And then when I heard it, I said this is insane. It's not possible right and he abandoning his more busy than I am a and then I said look we tried, and once you want to stock bleeding it. You really liked reading. It's easy, but the thing is I. Don't I. Don't try to leave water base Big Books that are that are within my do and Yeah, you know it's not so hard this you're doing it. I think I'm a couple of weeks ahead of the lockdown, so It's GonNa Serve Me in good stead towards the end of the Oh and you know. Saying I think I think there's no denying the value of feeding. And now we have all this extra diamond our hands. I think it is a great habit. Do driving cooking. Which I want to ask you a off the books among the books that you've have. Recommend to me at our listeners. Look in the tons of tons of really good books. I tend to read a mixture of Sort of sort of Science popular? Science I would read some science fiction and I would be the little book steadily, but in the area of the diamond. So you know a Zubov's UH? Surveillance capital is a great book. If that's that's an area, the looking at. Twenty five mines is a great book. If you're looking for different perspectives on artificial intelligence Jiang's exhibition, a phenomenal of science fiction which in many ways. Of each one of his stories, and the. Selected. Yeah. Each each story is some of meal fiction. It is almost sort of civil. And Yeah there's nothing like digging hypotheticals out of science fiction. To explain the. Right that's that's quite. That's quite official. No thank you. I'll definitely look those folks at Zam. Those are all definitely ideas that might have been just so speaking of these interest in surveillance privacy I wanna get to the meat of this conversation, so you are one of India's leading experts on data privacy and give it how interconnected we're all becoming as a global society and given that you know various governments around the world have implemented these surveillance programs. I just wanted to ask you. Do you think the gone? A notion of privacy is dead today? I don't know if it's sort of the the concept of privacy as a whole. Suddenly the Wayne which we've been. Trying to protect privacy over the last you know then maybe twenty years that is that has changed significantly and by that I mean You know for for the longest time since nineteen eighty-four when you're of the database directive. We've been. Protecting privacy on the basis of consent. And, so we say that I if I do a violates your privacy, I will do that if only after taking your concern right, and that that might have been possible when people would ask you one, which wishes their time, but today up. Privacy policies are so complex the amount of. Applications requested Information Hasselblad, that at the end of the day the amount of of these privacy privacy policies. Required except It's. It's It's too much for anyone really. Fully, appreciate or consenting to. And so the point I make therefore is a privacy, did but suddenly the consent based mechanism for predicting fantasy? If not bid is Is See the suffering in the context of the modern technology. While that that is amazing inside right that and which actually leads me, which is a great segue to my next question is I recently. Read your piece in life. I think it was the October two thousand, nineteen or their. Abide me if I'm getting the wrong, but you talked about how. With this discussion about consent data, ownership needs to shift you alternative models to be looked at right also such as like a draws. On the subject and collectors will touch upon that just a second, but I wanted you to share with me in my listeners, as to what do you think the biggest issues we face on the topic of data on a ship and could send our like. Why have they been suffering? And what do you think the biggest barriers hindering that progress exactly are? I mean I look at the content problem. With the three. Stages are three increasing stages so in the in the first place we are required today to sign up to privacy policies and. Often! The. The suspect is that Nigga sign up. On essentially asking us design up things. That, even they don't know when they're going to use so you just get one by the Jerry. If you're getting a new estimated, he want him to sign up as many tons of emissions as you can. Because you don't know, which election year perk is gonNA blow. so that's the first problem I. The policies are so complicated. That is difficult to accurately understand what is the second problem? Is that the way in which Sosa designed today did interconnected. So you know you're you're Goo Goo database is a database which is kept, but then you also things that database on Google Docs are Ike our anything. That's other forms the basis of his lots associates. And the privacy policy that governs the Google database or the identities of allows you to connect other things with your consent to it. But neither Apple Nadi, second Sosa at it will figured out what the consequences of connecting these loopholes policies would be, and so because of the interconnectedness of the various differences. It is actually impossible A figure out what the implications of consent are once we lear serviceable and you know the good example is my fitbit exit gadgets Also busted mission of. do do g mail I can actual services. Tell me things about. We sent me an email when I on the gym or something like that. No one really figure out who has the data Julia. What is the privacy between all these interconnected hosts? So that's a second look thought level is not traditionally. We only applied privacy. Law was noted, but today ignited things. Devices a lot of these. A chip centered around. This mattress for today does of the. Alexis and all these devices now a collecting inflammation as it were. Any often they collect information, which doesn't. It elevated the level of bustling permission? And still if you live all information one on the other, you will stop because they're so interconnected to get information, which is deeply bus. And that information. You've got a without Ila. Seeking themselves you know had to see. This a Bush live the mission. If didn't need to get the. But when you lear many levels of nonplus detente up each other, you end up with something, which is deeply buster. That's. That's that. Thank you so much for that breakout. And now that you kind of painted a big Joe's do what the problems facing ownership in consent are I wanted to ask you on a question about something you mentioned in that same live peace of models that exist you viewing data through this ownership? Let's say one is a having data trust wed it subject center and one having a data address collector centric. So could you walk us through again? Like what were these data trust like what the differences between Galactic Sanjay and subjects and data would be an if you have any preferences, as do you know why you think? These models are more successful than though they don't ownership. So so at want to correct you on one thing, which is on the on the onset of ownership, right so. I tried to stay away from. Talking about. dumbs of warning, because actually three difficult to own Beta right really on this right. So. He did this this information that ideally, but then mostly at you know. Maybe it was lifting apple split again. But that information that little. Smarter it appointed identity. Resume use to anyway because you know one individuals, little piece of information really doesn't make up big data. It's an you actually have big did win all this inflammation to combined together that you start getting assessor value. Guy Is in aggregate dragged. Strength in the aggregate as opposed to individuals is exactly exactly so the on the all the profiles that facebook bills about two that eventually look at uses tool with the US election. Right. That is of us. You know one person's did. I said. Even if that one person says, look I contrary to the data, so you give me a one million share of that did. that doesn't make any sense because you. Maybe you are what of the database, but if it wasn't for facebook, who actually the software it collected the information from not just you but the. Other people that up the million. Your data is completely useless. It's been proportionate. Value off. Eight large. Is Not useful. For now. At thank you so much information you Oscar Act that the value of individual data points. Noah end yard as valuable as data set as a whole right so. Bad I completed by. So then let's move to the second question is. The central centric. Subjects centric dress now. A good example of this essentially what I was trying to figure out what data's being collected in various silence and the value of the data really nice win. Sign was The Independent. Up projects where you know Google. FACEBOOK At a bunch of social media. I trying to create what ability arrangements then the data from one is audible a into. and. That arrangement is much collector centric. Trust where you're the data collectors, each of them individually Agra who? Of that project, but all those big companies essentially decide what is going to be a shared among each other. And that very much isn't collector centric? So you know the the estimate has do get a benefit. Now they trust scored on. Just making this up, if will was offered any Uber Trescott is now audible with your Ambien Vedra skull. So if you're really hundred over passenger, then know. Maybe you'll get some brownie points manual Goto to be saying trustworthy N.. A back really is sort of the the the structure off a collective quest the problem with that. Is! Once again. This is driven by the data, collectors and The reason why I thought a subject centric West is is really interesting is if we can create something like that essentially what we're doing with? Our of In the hands of the data subject mid creating arrangements where the audibility works to the advantage of the data subject of because the the interest of that fest is aligned with the data subject. And India has a really good example of this. Because we have the work, which is they? Bam Bam a good. Actor famous of which essentially is an event in the financial services sector. Inflammation from each financial sector. With the other right now. Typically the would mean banks, but just imagine if it works being in the SEC if it works with the. Juicy records. So as an example today, if loan you to bank to give the back information about you know your your history. essentially that information is based on Mexicans fix, but what is really useful is if you can give them transaction drudge eight. My bank balance may be low. But the volume of transactions that I have transacted. Extremely High and. That should be impacted me too long because I really, that's what business because I run a low margin business, but a high value on your business. Currently. There's no way to show that reliably if we connected. Network! And allow. Lenders to big the look at my Jesse fans, actually history for the last six months. That gives me really understanding of what transactions I've done because it's completely benefit, this is. These transactions are transactions that I accident that the government has prosperity fight because the person to whom I provide the service. Has to your e I registered yesterday Papaya some. Sort of double accounting in that sense, right, it's extremely awful. And I think. Uh site to just one week. vacation I'd like to see from you, so you would say that that measure is just a great way to gauge something like Financial Credit Worthiness Instance Right. And you could do this in any other episode for instance in the health sector You want a second opinion, so you've gone to A. Doctor, hospital it's a cancer and cancer I picked up. Usually. You want a second opinion if someone says you ANSA. On the the problem is that when you go to a second hospital naked The data from one hospital is not easy portable another hospital. If we can create a mechanism which is famous focused on on the patient to allow the data to bought from one medical system together and it. Doesn't have it, but just. You one the history of all the medicines that you've purchased, and if you've done it online, you should be able to that information to your GP so that your deep respect you some new medicine and actually see you to this particular medicine, because you enter the office and that medicine made to feel with the stomach. Will be much wiser when he perceives. Things do so the author we're now in a world where everything is data driven. And we have the ability to opt it. Right, but still we keep data in silence, so your your dentist doesn't talk to your gastroenterologist. When quite frankly the things that happen? Your mouth would direct relationship. Do what's happening in your stomach or we have a sensible way which the dentist Dr the gastroenterologist rather than data that it historically, the generator vintage visits actually be useful to the gastroenterologist would've. That's yeah I completely agree with that I think that's such an interesting perspective, the idea that we should leverage data in having networks so that different facets of our lives can come together using holiday data make more informed financial decisions, more informed medical decisions legalization, whatever the case may be I, think that's perspective just to play devil's advocate. Hill is given that data is got right? We are in the economy like that right like we said given the data. Is Garden see? What happens now if? My data's being. Used against me like the best case, scenario is what you'd expect. Wedded by dentists can dog my oncologist whoever they can make informed medical decisions about me same for GS's other financial intermediaries. But. That's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is if my data's used against me or various. What would your assurance? Your advice to people who have a that worst case scenario mentality in the heads? Sometime. Technology is neutral in order bans on how it's used so just as it can be used for good. Can Be used, for evil. And that sort of the basic nature of ecology, a no matter. How BIG IS GONNA? Find a way to support. That's a good, but is a people nine right? Exactly and Madman. That's really my solution in many ways, so I wrote a paper. I WANNA. Say this years ago. Which article and accountability? Ability Free Book and the The point that I make you all of that. Is that right now? A lot of the onus is on the data. Subject was giving up. The doctor data collectors to be careful of Hollywood what they do with But, Quite frankly the available control over it because you know what my yeah of course I have control over my username and password networking bit secure. If I take that. By dig the. Did a control. I this would and say, and he says this is going to be secure when you use it for these purposes. And then for some reason, it gets hijacked or it gets used for book that. That's not what the you know the example. I'd like to go back to his Because quite frankly facebook a took the information with concerns right? And everyone who gave that information knew if they had read the biopsy policy at facebook was going to. You is essentially give information of friends as well as friends of friends, and because they hit Dighton today from just friends of offense game January, the gut, but access will vast amount of data. Ram and win. They had access to that Boston data. They could do whatever they did. The user. The visa winding uses said okay. I will give you. The commission do a connected to friends and fans. Offense is the zoo users in the corner meet along lost fan of has a good chance. That you know I made a member of my friends, but. You know. My friend may remember someone. Has Wife a glutton and this is a really cool way to get that for the long lost right now. That was the stated. But, if Magenta Degussa what it to actually use this friend of feature Virginia databases exponentially larger than what they would have otherwise January. So this is where the accountability gums. I am not as the user supposed to wrack my brains and think of every. Possible. Use to which the consumer. Place on the OH. Completely because the USA does not know and has no idea all the various contracts controller his is. So the user does not use the. Drama was. Getting really nifty in which you can. Connect to long lost. And only think about that right, and so he said it's going I later. But it's up to the controller to say look. Maybe have given them this medicine by someone. If I'm not fluid misuse it to generate is boss of is an I should be careful of that. Mind model, which moves away from central Unterberg actually places that onus on the data control to say that you have got to be accountable, not just for the foreseeable, but also for the foreseeable on sequences of what you're going to do with the with the data, subjects information information because quite frankly, there isn't a asymmetry of information You have a knowledgeable lock. Martin's than the data. Subject can never have we're, and so it is unfair to in a sense. Use the data subjects send as get out of jail. Regard when actually you are the one who has to be A. Employing that you'd did you need to ensure that. Even if the data subject consented to this that that no harm should come, should before the data subject because of some algorithms news. So that's my answer. Do. You know what happens if the enters misused and if some lesson uses it for. Gets no I I don't think. Many people could have put it better than you're satisfied. Thank you so much for that. That was very valued education. And I do I do now the more I think about I. Just completely agree that it's. Like, you said it isn't unfair. Onus and Polish shop just make it such that there isn't as symmetrical information, right and being completely honest and use those Dan thing only the super shocked up right like like you said. Reconnect with a long lost friend of mine. Then all thinking about these implications as to what by information used for so I completely by that I think that that's such a valuable piece of advice information fall our listeners on now. Actually want to ask you a question on something. We've talked about a couple of times already on this conversation, and that's what a game jam. Let it go so your additional Gandan, creative with your own podcast, as am I and a big concern I had is how exactly given the this is the age of digital conduct right? How exactly would our content consumption not? Impact, our privacy especially given the Cambridge I go facebook scandal. How could you just repeat that again? -Absolutely I think. So I think right now that we are in the age of the gone dead I'd say that it's safe to say that and you know you are a Gonda. So for the benefit of our. If you could shed some light on how our gone consumption patterns. What we watch on facebook watch on Instagram Stevie and these various, although like on Dan Facets of social media APPs the exist that people are consuming. How do those gone consumption lane to our privacy? Like should I got in clearly have to be extra ready before. Click on any video fab. Should I be ready before I click on? Let's say the broadcast on face. Watch that I WANNA. Watch or get access to should be extra cautious by clicking on that given the Game Regina, facebook scandal, or do you not think consumption battles have any impact on us as fantasy. It depends on where you're watching it and what you believe, what the platform! That's the content in what? What did US aligned to what so let's just let us take samples for. FACEBOOK's. Your facebook is a free service. The League of Monetization facebook. Rimi is the ADS that a they can sell and the basis of. Someone buying ads on facebook is that facebook is the most addictive site on planet right now and so It's designed a dual exploited engine economy. And everything that facebook does is really designed to ensure you stay. Policy issue would have facebook. Chance that you can vote on or amount party a couple of hours, and that's great because you're then gotta being to advertisers ipod a psychologist so good given mention that if you sell if you buy. A Buddhist went on this site, people will stay there for an hour looking for now. That's a that's said so facebook's incentive is a line to ensure that they can do everything that is awesome to keep you from clicking off the sect, which means the only way they can do that is to really understand you. Understand. What it is that interest you? Now if you look at net flicks on the other hand. flicks has a very different kinds of this one on. Understand you, but the only reason why they don't understand you. They want. As the founder said my competition seek. So essentially, he wants to ensure that you use. You are solar. binge-watching. Programs nonstop that. You continue to stay on that site. But did not incentivize it anyway other than get. Be Bao's obstruction heavy every month so as long as you. You get enough useful on Ben. If you've been George or you. Binge Watch is not as interesting enough food. That they will do a proviso that on. Movie. They don't really care that much If the they're fully, they're not. They're not in not checking your your individual. Preferences at tracking the references Bustle County, and that's so the lineup vitamin. He said. Each of these various. Ways in different ways and based on what then a is. They will pick up inflation because that is essentially the model. Me, you may choose to become one or the other, because you really like it but I think you've got to. Understand that there if if it's free, it's because they are unlimited summits and accomplissent wider running that. is because you are willingly. Participating in their revenue model, and if you're okay with that in a lot of people are okay with that because they're happy to be a dancer three. Okay No Fair Enough? I think that trade off is just so interesting when you into that right and I think that the corn gateway is that you have. All these GONNA jetting. In some way or not, do had access to information I. Guess just each different motivations behind the right. That's it. You know if I bust me. I'm not on facebook. And that's because I I find that. I would much rather read a book or something else. Then get stuck into that rabbit. And so I've taken a conscious call a not to use face. They don't want to trade off because there are a lot of incident only on baseball, a lot of my friends, you know. Discuss with the of meeting in what they're gonNA do only to a facebook I loser back, but that's sort of a trade off the digital estimates. And I think honestly Mr Mas that it's very odd argue against lifestyle benefits of tradeoff ride was like sitting on a fallen for an hour and a half lose track of time on some menial piece of information was. Is You know like you said rather eatable are just focus on some sort of structure. I think he had super hot dog that being on facebook post definitely. Yeah, that is, that's not only. Lifestyle analysis on what these GONNA chatting. Not mean for us in this data driven age, also just two more questions before we wrap up a my second last question, ordains do an episode of yours of your own podcast. Actually the X. Mocking up again you all my list viewers. Description will be in the bio video in August. But. One of the latest episodes focused on. India and mobility, so it doesn't take a rocket. Scientist are genius to figure out that Oak. The draft solution India is bad over mobility in India needs improvement it does Dak- genius, however to figure out what the solution of is? So what do you think the Oth- adopt ahead the first couple of measures we need to undertake to begin solving the grieve problem. Of of Mobility we find us out of here. GOING WANNA I don't WanNA spend much of this study in in the episode, but essentially the the the. One of the one of the solutions that I propose is around sharing now. Start on. we. Want to say maybe about a forty to fifty percent of of mobility and from city city. In cities where. On sport is much more efficient. But generally speaking. There is a significant percentage of a job. It is already a transport which essentially is A. Shade impact. Many people are using the safest beatable from point A. to point. Win over an Orion these new. By. Jesus become much deeper. You Can ENJOY THE COMFORT OF Driving around in a sedan. Ordina reasonably luxurious. Without actually owning it to having any of the Knicks with it which? I'm walking and mandating Garnett's. and so in that I I feel that we're moving in all of that city's towards. A model where we can actually I think younger generations may never never on a cop. When we we went joining the workforce, the first thing he wanted to do is make enough money to buy. A I think. The younger generations feel that saving. enthusiasts. With ownership of a car and I think in time that eventually would go away. You have a solution whether it's shared whether it is knock, that will reliably. Wherever you are to? This idiot dropped away. W what goal? Why would you own up? and. Get today me. One on. The GABA visited many places where i. o many times of the day where he's not reliable to to get A. But if you think of cities like New York, where pretty much any time of the day and night you will find either a bus or taxi or The, the the subway, all available to get. Together? This is why no one in New York owns. It that you insist. And walking is extremely expensive it ostrich to begin the. So, if you're sitting out in the suburbs where there's no metro of transporting. And that's true of. Bombie. Most people in in. The fake. They can get a find without rub, so look at. The point. Then becomes. How do you make it efficient How do you? Ensure that we can stews environment what we're doing that. And the only solution there is Is Your shed electric vehicles? And that sort of some of the detail of the episode where the? Debris knows that it is more affordable. Use Electric vehicles. It's just a Sony challenges with the bottle that unless you find the smocked economic model? Run a fleet of electric vehicles. You'RE NOT GONNA be able to have a EV's as the family motor shape transport, and really that is what I talk about some deal in that it. No absolutely unlikely said I. Don't want I. Don't want to do any spoilers from the episode and every listener who's listening to those right now to at checkout Mr Martin podcast right after this one last question from that episode as You talk about how the future of eady's is generally the trajectory. Right especially here in India. And you dr a bit of you. Being. Called battery swapping a good, you just spend like Denver fifteen seconds walking through. What exactly that is why it's beneficial. I think in order to essentially. Sort of your chain. reframe the way you think acres in your mind you've just got to. Separate the vehicle from the. All. Debate needs road ables. Now from the dawn of. The the the motor Gar. We have fitted electric. Fitted tanks into the car which we fill up with a petrol gasoline diesel. Fuel it is. And that all is done combustion engine, which moves the bow for one or the other with me run of federal. We go to the federal about we finished up again and then we keep moving. We built the electric bay. We essentially used the same mental model, which is that wave fitted batteries into the car, and then whenever we've added a battery will and Josh it. The other problem is I'm like a petrol, which you've been just a Filipina tank, and in five minutes or less. It takes even with the fastest fos judging solution at least in our discharge evacuated, and usually you're require. These five. Wait uh-huh to charge a battery. In given what they used to just accept. Of people so the battery swapping idea essentially means that you know when you have of our rather than Josh. Eventually a you'll essentially wouldn't be all batteries out, but a new mattress. This is something that stories. Or these gadgets if we Habra. you actually ever thought by that available. Because obviously it's it's. It's a much larger respect willing to a bedroom The gas station attendant just owns the backbone of your. And wishes of. Food Been Dan back in that. Replace, a, in dire banks are headed so correct, but the other example that I give to make this a little more valuable as before the in Donald question engine. We had all scattered. and when you want do. Drive a horse cottage across the country essentially what it would do is, you would have a venue stations where. You would have horses rested of fully fit waiting for you and you drive. Into that station swap audio host the Diet Horse. That has just written or the night. And swap that out of the new. Houses that are fish any ride. Those horses on so look. We've we've. We've had many mental models by which be designed. Remorse When we switched from the hostage to the The the best engine We essentially the horse into the gardens and fixed it there and we found a way to feed the GOP. If instead we. Just swapped it out. In the way that began with batteries it will be a completely different mental model, and that probably is the most useful mental models for this, so that is. The way I describe a battery swapping it's it feels unreal, because we're so used to thinking of Oslo particularly, but actually it's different from You know with with your watch. Your conscious is out of touch just. A more. Needed Muller. Control the or something like that exactly. I think the biggest was on the COOLEST WAY AS I. Just as general conversation with you is. How so much can be you know? At least dented do like started getting saw if we shift our leads obeyed if we just changed the way we abroad, a lot of these things I think that is of unity coup perspective to keep in mind so just one last question before we wrap this. What's amazing? Is Offer, both out Indian as well as non Indian listeners. Everyone I think is aware today in geopolitics that India is the sleeping bag on waiting to become that big stakeholder. Vicks and we are. We are getting in some sense. Would you think the three areas that we collectively as a country should be focusing on in order to unlock our true potential unlock are do future. Look I. Don't know if I make it to three, but let me tell you. What I think is really important, I think. You know what a huge untapped potential! In that Much off. The GDP of in too much of the GDP this on synthetic I up. and to find ways in which we can be used on. ways in which we can leverage. Able across the stack I think a lot of the platform technologies that we've been billions. Country other, which is the identity of black. You'll be able to the payment platform an all the the various platforms coming up. have tremendous ability to unlock the potential that is our. Hidden away outside of lead night so I think that sort of the the first key that I think. we're really focused on. I, as you can imagine, I have A. Huge. Dining allergy and so one of the things. that. I think we certainly should should trying to achieve. It's easiest at the done. A is to actually use data to leapfrog boss. Generations are so. We've done it in many occasions. In the past of most notably we leapfrogged landline telephone connections all the way to to pull violet. So you're China India short rest the word that. This is what it is like to be a first division of this huge automatic. On with. A hence. a are always on and we have to find a new in different ways in which to achieve potential. And I and I guess. You know it's a bit of a cliche. We've always been known for its own frugal innovation. some of the people to guard, which is a big pejorative, but is at the end of the day. the ability A to. A find solutions. Back in from unlikely places What I really don't like, is picking up. Solutions that have been used in the West or another countries in applying them to India because first of all they don't fit roughly. And they don't get enough credit to audibility. Sunday or no sorry I was just I didn't mean to. I was just saying that the context in which we all prayed so different rights hard to just ninety applied. What may work in America? You ought to be in gone dex. But and yet so many people do that and that Greeley. A lot of people say look. This is the way in which it was so widely mentally less look. It's not a question reinventing the wheel. Essentially, you've got to find the. Courses and it's not like we can come up with solutions. Of That will help us achieve what we need to do. in fact if we can really say look, let's let's come up with a solution that that is suitable for it probably will be more efficient. And more effective given that it would have been designed for these conditions, no very very drew and with that We bring up. What's been just an amazing amazing amazing conversation Mr. Martha, thank you so much for your time and I hope you had as much fun being interviewed as I. Did Interviewing Yourself, and for all my listeners I would strongly Oh, to check out the xbox Nepal. Nepal Gass again. Link is going to be in the description below I'm also going to be watching link of Mr Martin's book as well as disputes pieces on you know data and privacy that he's written highly informative and I cannot stress enough. Just what a big value added it will be. Do add that your daily gone that list Samantha. Thank you again so much for joining us. Thank goodness. It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much.

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The Skeptics Guide #753 - Dec 14 2019

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe

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The Skeptics Guide #753 - Dec 14 2019

"You're listening to the skeptics guide to the universe your escape to reality hello and welcome to the skeptics guide to the universe date ages Sunday December I twenty nineteen and we are live from Christchurch New Zealand. The this is your host Steven Novella and joining me as always is my brother Bob. Everybody Hey guys. The Evan Christ's Church we are just having having so much fun on our trip ere became a week early basically before the conference. And we're going on vacation with our families are first time second time to New Zealand. First Time time to the South Island and it is exactly as beautiful as we were promised. It really is absolutely amazing. I know you guys appreciate it but maybe not as much as you shit. It's funny how people don't every time I talked to somebody about what we're doing this. Oh Yeah I should do that sometime. A lot of people don't do the touristy things in their own backyard. But you should you here so we had hundred. Patrick can take a bad picture around here. It's just ridiculously beautiful. I mean we were trying to drive from Queenstown to TECO and so stop here stopping. Every place is a scenic overlook. There's no place that's not a great place. We'd never get anywhere. We kept stopping to take driving up a hill like. Oh let's stop here then. We stopped here and then then we drove right by the actual actual like Nicole. It is that was the maximally awesome spot. So we're happy that we hit peak loop apparently which lasts a couple of weeks here. These gorgeous are just flowers. And they're they're pretty much everywhere a couple of weeks and they smell and credit there'd be they they smell beautiful. I mean again. It's like you guys like we have flowers. Does that bloom seasonally where we live and they're pretty but we don't get excited about them because we live with them but trust me. This is exciting gorgeous. Okay we took a tour of Milford Sound. It was a misty weightiest just drizzly day which was perfect. It wasn't raining too much to not now enjoy it. But it created like a photographer's dream in terms of the tour guide. said out of all the weather that happens there that this is the best because it gives you a good depth of field field and all the waterfalls become active effective essentially during the wet time diffuse lighting which is what you want. Overcast is the perfect lighting for photography. Because it's basically a diffuser all right so there's no harsh light harsh shadows but it's bright enough to take these kinds of pictures. It's great all right so you guys know him into birds so you knew that the bird picture picture was coming right. This is anybody who knows what what what kind of bird is on the screen behind me. Raise your hand if you recognize that bird see. This proves my point. Not many hands went up. That is a fiordland crested penguin. If you're in the land fiordland crested penguin. Apparently you don't see them every time we go to Milford Time but we got lucky and we did we so quite a few of them. He's not quite a few of them. That was the cutest thing that happened on this trip. So the boat pulls up for no reason the boat was kind of going up to the shore here. And they're like you're looking at the stuff and then we see these two little guys to come out right. They come up now and then falling down. It was like a comedy routine and at one point in our tech guy goes to Q.. Two Q.. Like I'm just thinking what's all the commotion. Whoa you guys are just way way excited but I mean now that but once I got a good look like all right? They're pretty adore. But not only this is my very first first penguin penguin in the wild encounters. CHECKOFF list and this is the second rarest penguin in the world and you guys have them in your backyard. God go see them. I don't know man spangling off. We went to tech OPPO. That's the one point eight meter telescope. which is big? That's a big telescope. And we've learned what they were doing. A couple of people were asking US yesterday about this. They're looking for exoplanet. And they're using. There's multiple methods that we use to look for exoplanets. This telescope is using a microlending technique. So what micro lenzing is using a gravity like a leads. This Einstein's relativity general relativity gravitational field will bend light like Lens. So what this what they do is they'll image a star field with millions of stars until two stars perfectly lineup. Right and you you have to look at millions of stars in order for this to happen and when that happens the nearer star will lens the light from the more distant star and so that gets brighter. So you know it's being magnified lights coming around and more it's coming at us from different direction. Basically am slides the power of the telescope right. Yeah but what they're looking for is just looking at the light curve and then when it passed when it star passes in front of it you get a very typical light curve that is a lenzing lenzing effect. But there may be an anomaly in that light curve where you get a second bump right in the late and that's from an actual planet that's crossing in front of the distance. Start Right. It doesn't have to. It doesn't have to be transiting so it could be in any configuration because as long as it's in front of its gravitational field it'll be in front of the more distance via the advantage of this method. Increase the most sensitive method behalf for detecting exoplanets. And also you can find signed smaller planets a little bit smaller than they said and more distant from the parent star doesn't have to be next to the parent stock. The the transit method works better. That's when a planet of travels in front of the starring looking for a dip in the light that works better for big planets close to the star so we initially eastbound bunch of hot jupiters right jupiter-size plans close to the star. Because that's all you could find a low level of technology where we can but when we kepler and those then we could see right a smaller planets more distant but it. But if it's like if it's if it's a period is five years it takes ten years to confirm it because it has. We need to periods to confirm it but the lenzing affected you get it get it right. There instantaneous but that's also a downside because these are one off event that alignment of the two who stars. It's happens once doesn't come around again right. So it's brief. I thought he said something about more than ours. Today's so then you have to get like other telescopes me trying to look at it once you once. You confirm it when you basically get one chance to collect that data so the thing to do is to get as much state as possible and then and even if we can't analyze property now in the future we made will be able to analyze it in more detail with new technologies and and find out even more information. Just let's get as much as you can and then that's it you will never see again. I mean maybe you'd see in a million years. No one's going to we're going to try to power a bunch of news items because we've been here. It's been a a couple of weeks. You recorded the show with a lot of science news happening. This is the adult region of Ethiopia which is near a volcanically comically active region. So this is a pool of water. Very pretty alien landscape can tell you that the colors red orange green yellow all all close together. That water is super hot. Because it's near Joo actively geothermal area it's very hyper sailing very very salty and acidic so it's like a triple threat. It's it's called a holly extreme environment hyper sailing hot and acidic. What why? I'm showing you. This is because this is really like the first place on Earth where scientists have basically proved. There's no life they've ruled it out. Yeah Yeah they pretty much ruled out that there's any life in these pools and there are extreme files files are mostly Arcadia but also bacteria microorganisms that adapt to extreme environments hyper saline like very salty environments briny very hot environment sitting very acidic acid. Right so this is really the first time we've found an environment. That's so extremes triple extreme that there's no life there but there's life all around so it's not as if life doesn't have access to it just can't penetrate into this environment. Aren't you disappointed in the extreme files I mean. I really thought they could do something they can pull this off. I start breeding them to see if they could think of their evolving closer and closer to this extremely guy guy maybe pushing deeper and do but but I mean like do some genetic. You know you don't want that because it turns into like Zeno more from alien okay. All target grades could live there. No no no they would live there. There would be. They would so they look for him. Exists in extreme environments when they're desiccated when they're dehydrated hydrated later pons go and find him so anyway this is what's interesting about this. Is that because we have a gradient right. There's like like the environments get more and more and more extreme gives us a way of seeing how exactly how extreme and environment can microorganisms adapt to and. Now there's a limit if they were there then we wouldn't know what the upper limit was. Now we kind of at least one upper limit of fascinating so yeah so if we find a planet that exists just like that. It probably wouldn't have earth-like right but who knows what kind of silicon based life. We wouldn't wanNA live there. All Right Bob tell awesome about. Oh boy super hydrophobic. Metals Super Hydrophobic was in the news this past week or so so scientists inspired fired by nature have created have engineered a metal that can float and this metal even will float even if there's punctured with holes like vote like what. Yeah yeah like a boat Pratt. We shall see so. This is from researchers at the University of Rochester and the Change Institute of Optics Fine Mechanics and physics in China Super. We're hydrophobic it's my favorite nineteen letter word. We'll start with that. It's a fun word. It's a characteristic. It's an attribute of materials in nature or engineered. That are completely averse to water. You can kind of figure that out from the word right Super Hydro Obesity Phobia water the way that this actually works is that the surface calm. The patterns are so complicated that the Nanno scale and micro scale that that what for some reason that which I haven't figured out yet air just hugs that hugs surplus and therefore any water tried to get on it. It just bounces right off so in nature. Everyone is sort of a lotus leaf loaded. Sleep you put water on it just rolls right off. It does not really interact with a thin layer of air a and you can't airway you blow it away Jay and it just kind of comes. That's right but right back in. So scientists are these scientists have been thinking well. Can we make metal float using super busy so they looked to nature to figure out all right and it's always always good to look at nature because it's been doing what hundreds of millions of years of rnd so they've got a lotta stuff figured out so they look at. Let's see this. Is the diving bell. SPIDERS and fire fire ants so diving bells. SPIDERS have super hydrophobic abdomens and legs so they can trap air gets trapped there so they basically. We've a web somehow underwater. They've got a a bell shaped web underwater. They probably we've it under the surface and then bring it down. Maybe I'm not sure. But to go down. And they take the water from their from their hairs and put it in the in their web. The air deal. Yes the magic ball just like. Here's the breathing air that you can just kind of manipulate and put some place with all the a balloon but take a balloon discovered in your mouth right. He didn't do that when he was a kid so so they can stay underwater for for quite a bit of time. Fire and of fire ants on water just floating on so they've got super bodies so the bottom layer has air they're under their body and then the other anxious pylon and I wouldn't want to be on the body and that that's how they they float so taking that inspiration. They needed. They decided well. Well let's let's take some metal. And we have these micro MICRA fine patterns on. So what are you going at you. With a laser of wars but in this case it's a tempo secondly laser laser that's tend to the minus fifteen seconds quadrivalent every second very fast very powerful and when when they did that when these patterns on it and actually floated the these these little disks of Netflix. Really metal it actually works on different metals. But I think they'd the tests were initially done on aluminum aluminium so the problem. The problem was though that after a while the surfaces wore away. 'cause there was some interaction were away so they had to figure out. How could we do without the easy way to do? It is to have an enclosed surp- closed surface right just a hollow metal. That's not what they're going for. They WANNA make it float. Because it's super hydrophobic so they took two discs imagining that two this. I'll use these queens. That happened to be these coins that you can get on at back there. If you're interested you've got these two coins and this we make this side right and we actually this side and then put the two sides together. It's kind of like what shape Sandwich Ceylon base. Remember that show right exactly exactly. So you've got the old school's score copied it basically two disc shapes connected in the middle so they had to find out exactly what the distance was. But that once you got the right distance and this is super hydrophobic and this is you basically have it would be filled with air filled with air and water would not go in there because it was the exact distance and these discs when they put them in water and they would hold them down for like two months and then they were just still pop right to the circus. So how how much. They're thinking that I don't understand is the weight of the metal. Seems to be more than the amount of air that gets trapped in the amount of buoyancy that you would get from that layer of of air. How does that work? These wereN'T STEEL SLABS J. These were thin discs of metal. All right these were not not huge chunks of metal so what would be an obvious application of it has let me like just thin metal. Well but the thing is that you could take lots of thin sheets and put them together right and then from there you could go well. They've talked about potentially attention making some types of unsinkable boats. But remember because it's it's relying on the Super Hydrophobic it's actually punctured it. They punctured a desk. Imagine taking this desk us and putting six holes in it and it still floated because you're not impacting the water reversion at all. So that's that's that's a major benefit so you can make a boat potentially out of this talking about flotation vests. That doesn't have to be really thin. And lightweight have multiple layers. You say that you're adding billion of these. I mean they get a million of us and make a boat out of it but but not just a boat but also you can do like a flotation vested punctured or damage. You wouldn't all the air is not going to come out right because it's because of a surface I or you can have underwater monitoring electronics and if you coat the surface water can't get to that surface and these monitors he's electric monitors can survive for. I really long maybe indefinitely so commercial. Viability is of course a little bit of a prom. Because I've got to scale this up and to do that. They said they need a faster laser. So maybe they'll develop develop Addo second laser designed just for this process. Bob Yes be honest. You have a google alert set up for the word. MTO second now now that but not your you don't want to know my other keywords. So Evan I here there are giant alien bugs on Mars. Well according to a entomologist. Yes absolutely they're back professor. Emeritus William Roma. Sir entomologist from Ohio. University says that There's evidence of fossilized and living creatures on Mars. Perhaps you of all heard about this particular news item as it were. I mean how can you. How can you argue with that? You're seeing seeing with your own eyes here. Here's a quote. The insect life on observe appeared to be sheltering slash nesting in caves in burrows beneath the surface and in specialized structures. This is from paper that actually got that they did in the Pera Gulia Times. Yeah right as you know at at what point do do some of these people who work at universities get to the very basics of skepticism. It's it's like they skip that entirely as if as as if there aren't groups of skeptic organizations and things out there like teaching this basic one zero one idea arid Olea. That's why I've I've often said that's why we need to exist. That's right because isn't baked into academia. Really isn't you can have technical knowledge very sophisticated knowledge in an area but have huge gaps in some basic critical thinking. Thank skills or knowledge of pseudoscience para goalie is something that most people even academicians don't know about and the entire university. Apparently itself wasn't aware of because they allowed this to get that goes to show. I think also how silo academia still is the fact that this entomologist did not feel the need to consult enemy emme biologists just any physicists. Anybody who actually would have knowledge of whether or not this is possible for forty five years I mean is this considered part of ivory every tower syndrome away. But you would think that you know even like a person that isn't extraordinarily familiar with critical thinking like we are which they did not one red flag go up for any of the people that saw this at any point during the change in the archive. Doing I don't think it. It was period unit review. I don't know about this. But how about the common sense that. How where's the oxygen Mars for anything like this living to have existed would have had to have been what billions of years old wanted heaven? Maybe if there was often generation earth insects configuration of anatomical parts. I mean you've got to put it in the category. What else have we seen on Mars? We've seen as we've seen rats we've seen big foot. We're seeing trees the face the taste things right like the little lava tubes. Yeah no but like the little people say that. The restraints whole infrastructures so NASA we did have some when NASA was asked to how they were you know obviously had to say that the collective general opinion of the large majority of the scientific community is is that current conditions on the surface of Mars are not suitable for liquid water or complex life. If you really needed to go to to get that now the the most recent news. I don't know if you saw this in. The last twenty four hours is that university has taken the paper down scrubbed all links to it and put out basically a one sentence statement saying that Dupes the the professor is not available for comment and we have no further comment on this at all they they scrubbed it Just in the last twenty four hours because I went looking for the original link last night and go on. I wonder if it's in like the way back machine. Oh Yeah it's it's been casual. You can still find it. It's no longer something that they're promoting directly on. There must be a mail carrier so you decided to tell us you know how crazy politics get in the. US Guy Yeah. I haven't had enough coffee for this year So so so so okay. I'm going to talk about abortion worship. But I'm not here to argue pro-life pro-choice I'm not here to talk about a position that anybody in the audience or any of us might have but I am going to talk about is what happens when people who have zero scientific knowledge. Start legislating banana grams. It's just not as zero scientific knowledge. Apparently but no science consultations like didn't like no everything Antifa Yeah fantasize going against the consultation. Tation that's being foisted upon them. Yes so okay so also in Ohio. There is a house Bill House bill four thirteen which is sponsored by lawmakers makers but also co sponsored by nineteen of the ninety nine person assembly. So that doesn't mean that only nineteen support it means at nine hundred actually were willing to like sign line and put their name on it and start trying to push this through the house. This is a bill in a state. Where many of the lawmakers refer to abortion as abortion abortion murder? This is like the way they call the practicing seizure thank you. They are pushing house bill for thirteen. which which proposes that a physician who performs abortion murder on an ectopic pregnancy? Okay so this is an topic. Pregnancy is is a pregnancy in which the egg actually implants anywhere outside of the uterus sometimes in the Philippian to sometimes like actually in the over it implants early and it doesn't make it all the way to the Kantha kill the mother in fifty percent of cases it will kill the mother if she allows it to continue it is still the leading cause of mother. Mother mortality pregnancy mortality. In the first trimester in the United States An overall I think it's like four four percent of all pregnancy related deaths in the US. So if you don't catch it and you don't remove it and perform this procedure an abortion to remove it at therapeutic abortion the only treatment viable treatment for this the mom will. We'll likely die. I mean it's a coin flip. It's very very dangerous. If House bill four thirteen makes it to law the mother and the physician who perform abortion Martian murder on an ectopic pregnancy could be sentenced to up to fifteen years in jail. If they don't make a reasonable effort to try to implant the egg or the fertilized egg into the uterus. Here's the kicker this is not a real procedure doesn't exist doesn't exist. In Medicine and multiple physicians have petitioned the government to say. We can't do this it doesn't. It's not a thing that any any doctors do. It's not a thing we've ever you guys aren't inventing a new procedure for us. It can't be done. We don't do it until you see all these tweets from these physicians like world. We're all going to jail. We're going to jail because you know our. We signed an oath and we have to protect to these people. And if we don't perform this therapeutic -PEUTIC abortion these mothers will die so it's just one of these. This is the first time they've done this one they also tried to push this heartbeat upbeat bill. which was that would criminalize abortion beyond the time when there's a fetal heartbeat which is about six weeks which is in violation will not in violation of the constitution? But it's been struck down by the by the Supreme Court v Wade is still being maintained at the federal level critically most women. They're pregnant absolutely already a two point. Yeah and so and so in some ways the purpose of this type of legislation is state's rights attempt to push against and try to overturn Roe. V Wade the hope is that there will be a suit brought and then it will eventually make it all the way to the Supreme Court. That's the goal. Yeah but the scary. Yeah I mean just the scary thing and the most blatantly anti-science thing here is the fact that they're pushing for something that doesn't even exist scientifically. There's a beautiful quote here here and I think this really sums up the story quite well Kate. Gilmore is the United Nations Deputy High Commissioner for Human Rights and she was at a conference and when when asked about house bill four thirteen she said quote when the United States starts to sneeze under the force of the pneumonia of factual illegal and a scientific policy. Everybody starts to catch the same cold and I think that that's a really beautiful quote so luckily people around the world are laughing at us. Unfortunately I worry that that kind of pressure already. Let me broaden this just a bit because medical ethics is a pretty well developed field and physicians have a pretty elaborate set of guidelines a how we treat patients and what's appropriate. What's inappropriate whenever legislation tries to meddle in the relationship between a position and a patient? It's always bad. They never like improving that relationship. Where the ethics of medical practice because it it is very much a moving target get right where legislation is too slow to really track it? And it's very you know it's based on on principles and so you right into law things you've spoken about laws that are passed in Connecticut or in my region and even some insurance companies. They try to get to micromanaging in terms of what we do you know. I had it meeting with an insurance company a couple years ago to explain to them that your current policy is forcing me to do something. That's unethical I cannot not do that. What is it unethical? What is the AMA? So the the American psychological vicious it has certain guidelines about what happens when the law pushes up against psychological logical ethics. What did the same thing? We have our first duties to the patient skate not to the insurance but like you should be willing to go to court absolutely you go down for your patients. Absolutely these doctors will save a woman's life by doing removing topic pregnancy. Just face the consequences they have no which could be up to fifteen years in prison for the doctor and the mother can you match. I'm confused about this because at that point isn't it considered an abortion so it's only in states. It's the only in states where they were born in Ohio. It's just versions of legal in the first trimester in all fifty states and so the Ohio though has been the estate that sort of leading the cost to push the most restrictive abortion laws. So they're the ones who pushed this heartbeat law which actually did fail. But they're going to keep trying so that's at six weeks. WCHS is when they want to. Yeah so everyone's heard that phrase whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger right or that song. I written by Kelly Clarkson Right Internet told me Kelly Clarkson everything on the Internet stream. She didn't rape. She did write it later. Stolen from purdue. She think that she was the first person over alleged. I'd say okay. What is it true is it sounds good stronger? It sounds good but is it actually true complicated question I figured so okay so the first person to that we do you think that was an come on. It's a hard name to pronounce correctly. But Frederick Cheat Free Jak Three Co Drik Frodo. How how would you guys pronounce this name? Frederick Nici Friedrich Friedrich Friedrich Nietzsche. Jesse thank you all right so we think that he said Iran it does make it does make sense because of the types of studying in a basically follows his philosophy now in this is what people say enduring a form of tragedy or having to deal with a major life event could be good for personal growth and this is what people have to say about the benefits are claimed to give you Louis reinvigorated appreciation for life. You will appreciate your friends and family more. You'll learn from the experience and you'll become more resilient so there it this summed up for you. We hear this sentiment from you know it's in the media it's on pop culture like crazy it's TV shows and everything. And I have to say it it completely. This could be all confirmation bias but it does seem to fit like experience at least within like a normal range of what people go through and the other end of the spectrum is if someone's pampered pampered and protected from any adversity they're you know they're lacking something right there route. Yeah Yeah. It's like an adult. That's not an adult. Yeah exactly they were never forged by adversity. But I think they're talking here about extreme traumatic events okay. So what does the science have to say about it. So psychologists have really only been directly researching this for about a decade and psychologist Richard Tedeschi and Lawrence Calhoun. They had documented peepers people saying after a traumatic experience that they feel that they have a greater appreciation for life that their relationships are stronger and they feel more spiritual and more inspired and the researchers. There's a calling this post traumatic growth. Whether or not it's true at this point is yet to be determined. But that's what they call the claim right so and again. This all sounds great right. Why because even in the face of a horrible tragedy we can comfort people by saying? Hey you know so you're GONNA on the other end of this thing and I've said this to people because you know you're when you're in that position where you're trying to make somebody feel better you know what can you say other than. Yeah that really sucks you know like were you wanna say things like hey listen you know once you get through this. You know you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA be better on the other side or whatever there's different things that we do say but this is kind of cooked tend to it so there's issues with believing this though. So let's let's unpack this so the most interesting one. Is that a problem that we have with just believing that we really chance. Study people before they've gone through a traumatic event because of how typically unpredictable you'd have to baseline a lot of people and then follow fall over time and that's money and time studies somebody and then traumatize that's very ethical. Or are you just do between groups study instead of a within. You wouldn't look at the the same person twice. You would look at a group of people who didn't experience trauma and compare them to a group of people that did experience trauma. Yeah Yeah you just have to assume that those things come out in the wash which is hard with people so what they what they do to study this though is they take the bulk of the existing research on post traumatic growth. Ask people that have gone through a traumatic experience to estimate what they were like before the tragic experience. So there's problems with doing this because people don't accurate every member like what they were like before the event and we're talking about it could be a week even a week later. They just don't have they're not in that frame of mind anymore so they can't accurately communicate what it was like before the event people will also claim to have grown from the from the event. But they're actually still suffering which you know to put it in a very severe way. They're lying to the people that asked a question and probably to themselves doing better. But they're actually not doing but there's also the you've got to operationally define so many things because you could have grown and also still be suffering. Those things can exist at the same time so it's just like the construct itself is difficult because it's all subjective. Yeah expropriate interaction between again. The person's baseline like their resilience is going into the trauma and how extreme the traumas and what I would suspect. Is that for certain severity or mismatch of trauma to resilience. People do get come out the other better but it's like the bend versus break thing. Most people will bend and then bounce back but if you go too far for that person they break and then they're worse at the other exactly. That is different for everybody. That's real. Yeah so the final thing that they said was that people who did report that they are quote the unquote better than they were before the traumatic experience. Their friends and family are saying no no. They're not so western. Culture has also also created this really sad expectation that we're supposed to get over everything you know. It's almost like a Sitcom TV show where something horrible happens and then hey next time you see your friends. They're supposed to be back in form. And you know human human psyche just doesn't work like that and I and I'll admit on a personal level. I you know losing dead as example we lost our father two and a half years ago. I'm still tremendously suffering from the finality of that and the fact that there's so many things that I lost and I'm still unpacking in the right but when the average person asked me how I'm doing I lie. I'm fine everything's fine. You know because I just don't want to even talk about it I'm being avoided and I'm also not wanting to. I don't want them to feel bad for me. You know. There's all these social things that come into play when we're dealing with other cultural and it's also Oh. I think the question really comes down to what it is. You're talking about when you talk about resilience and what it is. You're talking about when you actually use this quote. What doesn't kill me makes me stronger? Does it mean that it makes me not have a reaction to trauma no. I think that we know we have literature. Establish a traumatic events affect people theory negatively incredibly negatively but. Are you now better prepared for the time when you lose your mother because you lost your father and you develop those skills throughout that thing in that way maybe you are developing resiliency. Even though you are are suffering from the trauma you know what I mean. This is the best circumstances I think the way to look at it would be that you you become more mature right. It's not I like I can handle getting hit on the head with a two by four and over time. I'm going to be able to take it without any pain. It's totally different than that. It's more of like you're just becoming more mature and more understanding and also we're talking about somebody who was an adult who has a lot of means who has a lot of who has high into all of these things but once you start talking about traumatic events with very very young children dramatic events people cognitive deficit. I mean it's a whole other conversation. The number one predictor of resilience to trauma is a support structure. Yeah Ah structures everything so that even goes beyond the individuals number. One predictor of improvement in therapy. Yeah it's like. How much are you dedicated to therapy? Therapy and how much you have people around you and just yeah. I'm not. I have to actually say what the science you have it out. The best studies out there that examined post traumatic growth found and that an individual's perception of their own growth doesn't track with their actual change over time. And ironically the people who claim to have the most growth were the ones who are actually suffering the most really so the researchers say that we don't know for sure how if there is legitimate growth after trauma. But here's what here's what the best science so far Says they say that people can indeed grow from adversity exactly like Harrison. They can become stronger. They can improve the quality of relationships and they can increase their self esteem game. But it probably doesn't happen. Nearly as often as society pretends that had ties or as often as a society would like to think that it does and not everyone will grow in the same at the same speed which is what we just said and people will continue to need help and social support. which is you know you should have just written this article? The we need our friends in the communities he's in the wake of a traumatic event and it's not in the short term. We need them to be there. You know again personal note two and a half years. After I lost my dad I need to talk about it. I need to commiserate. Would you guys and we still talk about Perry. Harry still affects us to this day affects me and it's interesting how differently we reacted to how we deal with it. We each of US J. almost another spectrum above compartmentalized and avoids and I have to face it full on and where until I tell overcome. I'm like why are you doing that yourself. I think sometimes what we do because we're so used to this medical model and we want what like observable evidence it's like somehow outside of the human being. We don't want this subjective evidence but the truth of the matter is self report is a form of evidence and just because somebody set like you were saying and what they found in the study is them saying that they feel better doesn't comport with what with other people saying how is somebody else's report about them somehow more valid or valuable valuable than their own report about themselves and so I do think that yes there are key indicators. This person seems to be struggling in life. This we have more conflict in the home Blah Blah Blah. But how they see themselves for all intents and purposes is probably the most important piece of data when it comes to a therapeutic recovery after are a traumatic event so I think that to Kinda discount or minimize that as part of the equation is maybe not looking at this from the the most appropriate you know. They said they said that they believed that. People will say that they're doing better because itself therapeutic talking. Yeah and the truth is a psychologist or a counselor working on resiliency with a post trauma client whether or not. There's some sort of achievable Coca Cola. It is therapeutic. And so whether or not they actually are going to. You know. We're I don't know if we're ever going to be able to answer that question fully for all intents and purposes there is I think a positive benefit from having those kinds of congress believing this yourself. It's probably the only way some people are going to get through trauma in one last. I thought they said that they think that society should not have this pressure for everything to be okay especially in the short term and that a lot of cases if people just got back to where they kinda were before the trial that that would be totally acceptable so just to wrap this up a little bit so in medicine. We talk about the patients having a narrative of the illness. Right and so part of my job is to try to understand. What's the patient narrative about their own illness? And then how can I alter that narrative in a more constructive way right. They may have like misinformation or pseudoscience or they were suing causes and effects it or not there or whatever and part of that is to make the narrative therapeutic and focusing on and let's not worry about the stuff we can't do anything about let's focus on the stuff we can do stuff about the good probabilities. You know like you don't say you have a ninety percent chance of dying you so you have a ten percent chance of living. You know it's the same information but it's affecting the narrative living in optimal narrative. Wouldn't you call that spin well we've called framing framing okay. Well everyone we're GonNa take a quick break from our show talk about one of our sponsors this week. Kiko Kiko creates hands on projects for kids of all ages to help them learn about science right. That's why we're here. 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It's it's actually difficult. Concept that in scientifically we're still our understanding of it is still evolving and I think a lot of people. Don't misunderstand exactly what we're talking talking about what we're talking about tipping points. How many have heard that? We have twelve years to fix the climate change. Come and of course we hear that quoted as sort of a criticism. This isn't like the climate change. Denial they say that the world's going to end in twelve years. No that's not what anyone is saying. That's not what it's about. It derives from a couple of things things so about twenty years ago when the concept of climate tipping points was introduced scientifically. They said you know. It's not just a linear effect. Act that we're seeing where you have more co two you have an increasing temperature. There are feedback loops in the environment and some of those feedback. Loops may be positive. Meaning meaning that it doesn't dampen down the effect it actually amplifies it so one of one of those effects. As as the North North Pole ice melts. Less heat is being reflected back to less lightning reflected back into space and so that goes down to they. The oceans will absorb more heat and therefore we'll get more trap more heat another one is. This is interesting when the Greenland ice sheet melts it actually loses altitude right. It's melting down and the air therefore is getting warmer runaway. The morten melts the warmer. The air our next to the ice gets there for the faster melts and that will just keep happening until the whole thing melts. The question was when will these tipping points and there's over a dozen of when will they get triggered twenty years ago when they first really started looking at this I thought was the evidence and the models suggested that we would need to you. Get to about five degrees Celsius above pre industrial temperatures before these tipping points would occur now twenty years later. They're saying it's Tanakh five. See it's more like to seeing what I have heard that was like a Paris Agreement based upon that and now a new paper was published in nature that actually it's probably one point five. So are we already. They're already so they're basically saying from many are like print they said nine specific tipping points. Were actually already there. But there's another way to look at this and that is the what's carbon budget right. So how much more carbon can be released into the atmosphere before we get into all or nothing. It's different tipping points at different points in time. Hi and how fast they will unfold depends on how much warming there. So is that if you want to see which is still gonNA put us pass tipping-points we have a carbon budget of five hundred Giga tons of carbon. We're releasing about forty GIG tons a year. So he figured that's twelve years right. That's where the twelve aww come on. It's not like in twelve. Everyone's GonNa die but that's also based on current level for some current levels those won't be maintained assuming we maintain level twelve twelve years carbon budget before we're past even the now conservative tipping points however it's worse than that because if you if you then include the carbon and methane released from glaciers are melting. That's a hundred Giga tons of carbon right there percent more. We've already very in a twenty percent there and if you include burning the rainforest that's releasing another ninety Gigi tons of carpet a twenty percent so we've probably have eaten most of our way into two five hundred guitar these by these runaway effects. That's right that's right then talking about not only is there a tipping point or different tipping points. There's a domino effect of tipping where one tipping point gets you from one point five two to see and then that triggers another one. which gets you to three C.? which triggers another one and so yet yet another way to think about this equilibrium right so the we are starting with our pre industrial ecosystem? Climate in an equilibrium is not that stable on long-term right. We're in an interglacial period of an Ice Age essentially tens of thousands ah over tens of thousands of years. We're not in equilibrium is actually. We're in an unstable period the Ice Age. But we're where we can. We can get into into another glacial period but that's over tens of thousands and we're talking about one years well well. It's actually longer than than most people think but in terms of off of what the until we reach equilibrium. Point question is if we stopped releasing co two now. When are we going to reach our new? You weak librium point. And what is that new equilibrium point going to be. That's what they're trying to figure out but sorry. Is that even a valid question. Because that's unrealistic unrealistic unrealistic non stop so let's just a thought experiment that's such our baseline if we stopped releasing co two now what did we already committed to if we magically Eh wand and got rid of all co two production. What's the you know? The damage has already been done. CAN'T BE UNDONE. And so that sorta like yeah the already going to get to one point five see even if we stop everything everything now right but the Paris accord is getting us to see and we're not even meeting those goals we're we're not even in it anymore in the US unfortunately but not even trying to meet those. So what does this mean so this is the new companies are this is the the recent nature paper. Like here's where we are so first of all the five seat note it's more like two and then for some tipping points one point five. We're actually already there for some and the other way to look at the tipping point is like going over a cliff once you're over the cliff you're falling to the bottom. There's no way to stop that. So what are the things that were already Eddie. Committed to one is they believe again. This we don't know for sure but our models predict that the collapse of the Antarctic ice sheet the westernized she and probably the eastern already done deal. Right it's going to happen once you get certain it has to do with the ice and the land and the ocean. Where do they meet? And then once retreats certain point you got to run away and then you said that's also in and of itself going to release one hundred. No that's different. That's collect the Arctic. The Antarctic. That's going to do the Western icesheet completely collapses that will raise the oceans by three meter. Sir How long before the collapse. The that's the depends that how long before the crash we don't know but it depends on how much warming we have. It'll be between a thousand and ten thousand years before it plays itself out of clean for the full right. So thousand will will be if we keep going the way we're going right. It'll be about a thousand years maybe less if we put the brakes on Maxim Elite League. We could put the put it off for ten thousand and that has not happened anyway in like ten or twenty or thirty it wouldn't have the Church of the ice next. There is millions of years old so the other thing is about the tipping points is these are irreversible on human time scales so at the Antarctic icesheet collapses in a thousand years it would. We're never going to replace that took. Here's two stages where Y- interacting has always been price right so all sorts. Lots of other horrible stuff is going to happen if the eastern ice sheet collapses in. Because that's another three meters so now we're up to six meters if the Greenland ice sheet collapses offices. That's another four or five meters now. We're talking ten twelve meters of water. Every coastal city. Basically a new map woman seem not to mention how are things with all of the greenhouse gases released from everything. That's trying to get more fires which Burns which Turns Carbon sinks into carbon released sources. Listen you release methane from the permafrost. And they're all connected so that's where you get the domino effect one thing happens another Stephen those collapses singular event or is it could be little mini collapse. One one day. It's going to collado over. Thousands of year just means matching that wave laughable on stuff. But it's kind of like what we already start to in the Arctic right. Where like every time? There's a major event where there's something calories off and we see and then it's covered in the these are the little things that are adding up to become that big thing. We're finally at the point now. We need science fiction. Thinking about science fiction volition to qualify will fix this so so their point is the author of this paper. Saying here's where we are. Basically were already committed to certain tipping points. It's only a matter of how fast and how many and we're not really sure where it's going to because you make it this cascading effect and it may be ten thousand years. Even in the best case scenario were committed ten meters of Ocean Love Sea level rise. So you're not twelve years there's still talking thousands of years but the point is we're committed like you can't stop it anymore and we were falling off that cliff. It's just GONNA take a thousand years to hit the bottom but we're going to hit but they say but it's but the difference between a thousand years and ten thousand years or it could be leslie if if we could mitigate but but the differences you know. How much time will we have to retool our civilization right because we have to move billions of people and because we have lots of coastal cities? We built most of our cities is on the code living on a globe where like prominent leaders who have the power to establish legislation in in countries with hundreds of millions even billions of people don't believe in climate change so like. How do we mobilize people like I know? Even pass legislation inclusion was based upon their models. Were this is basically an emergency in that if we don't do extreme things now. We're we're committed to pretty much. The worst case scenario in terms of the tipping points and the thing is we're not going to do. We're not GONNA do no way we're going to have to do I need to do to. WE'RE NOT GONNA we're but I think we're pretty much committed to to see. I don't think anyone thinks realistically we're going to keep things to one point five. Okay but what if we did. Dramatic changes twenty two years ago. Would that have made much of a difference. Twenty years with an exponential prophet. Would that if we really took serious action twenty years. What does that mean? That old would've would've probably going to one point five right right. And there's a big difference with tens of thousand thousand thousand Zaire's though we behave properly a generation. Well if this is the chart and you're talking about moving to here it's going to be a significant difference. India two couple takeaways here at the time. One is really gotta get moving now. Even though we're not going to cause we don't have the political will but if we really want to prevent the political will is largely driven by the people. Thanks so that's why we and hopefully papers like this will by the fire but the other people who really don't believe that climate reading these the other take homes. It's a lot worse than we thought. Unfortunately that they're the tipping points moving closer closer and closer and closer and the domino effect related interrelated triggering a tipping points. But the other thing is this is important because I hear this even from people who are you know environmentalists. It's never too late to do something to keep it from getting even worse right so probably over overtired twelve is never going to be too late because if we if we don't do something in ten years or in twenty years or fifty years it'll be even worse so we can keep it from getting. I think the issue is that there is a point where when you're consumed by fire you can't put the fire out actively because you oh you are surrounded on all sides and I think that it's not that it's never gonna be too late to prevent. Yeah keep it from getting worse but when it's so late that all we're doing is putting out little fires and we can't look at the big picture. That's that's a problem. So they call that the global tipping point these regional specific tipping points. And we don't really no if there's a global tipping point but that's the worry and you know they make the case. This is even if you think scientifically you disagree technically these models. The there's a reasonable case to make for these models and the downside of not adhering to them is pretty extreme. But it's it's we're committing future generations to this. This is not going to affect us. This three-meter ten meter motion rise. It will affect people five hundred years from now thousands of might I fear. That's my fear because I think people are going to hear. Oh this is going to happen in a thousand years. Ten thousand years of people like Let them handle that. So far in the future we don't there will be less effects. We're seeing that's why I think they should focus on like this. Is what the life of your kids and grandkids is going to be like when you start sort saying ten thousand years of Millennia. Who they're going to be like so what we need to understand that but then we need to frame it differently but the truth of the matter is people have a hard time connecting something thing like climate refugee to problem of climate? Change the geopolitical issue to what they think of third rail kind of scientific issue when all these things are connected. It's also a part of society growing up like instead of US looking only being able to look twenty thirty years into the future. We have two thousand years. We have like attribute a nuclear race. It's like operate on four year. Time scale we do. I mean that's the political cycle and that dictates so much for years that's how far we see in the future. Happy stuff on a Sunday morning. Right folks. Well let's talk about Rx puppies. He wait wait. I thought he a happy when you're talking about a dead dog who saw this news item just just the other day. Probably probably a lot of you. This is this Dogo. R- dot the law found in Siberia. Yes this is a well. They think it's a puppy. It could be a puppy. Perhaps it's a puppy wolf. We we have to make make stuffed animals of Gore and we'll make event. How old is this puppy thing? Eighty DNA analysis about eighteen thousand eighteen thousand eighteen thousand years ago. Yup died at the tender age of two months. Old Poor little I love dogs Salaam dogs. Yeah this is fascinating this. If this is shown to be an actual dog it will be. The oldest dog reserved animal preserved on when you say repeat is an actual animal just if it shown to be a dog on a wolf dog. That's that's really the crux of this. Is it a dog. Is it a wolf or is it a hybrid hydra what it wouldn't be hybrid. Technically just to be clear what I wanted to be an evolutionary transitional. You could say that this is kind of like a breed of any kind what would be pre breeds absolutely whiskers. So they're still. They've analyzed that. They say they have a lot lot to learn from this little puppy but this was the thing is if it it was a dog. meaning that that. This is the result of selective breeding. This was somebody's dog or it was like a villages dog right but so you know he was living with humans. Humans garbage something. Yeah doing all that kind of this point in time it may have been nothing breeding but just through you like dogs. Self evolved if you will builds by adapting to human civilization living off of the scraps of humans outskirts and the ones that we're more dose Less likely to be chased away by the humans with David Abuse. It might be food the coyotes that we see in La like in our neighborhood so they're definitely not you wouldn't want to go up to it because is it might still bite you and blow up. But they're not scared when the cars drive by and it's like it's kind of urban adaptation but that's jackals somewhere that do that to go in Africa. The jackals we'll come into. The campsite puppy is in Russia. Scientists have taken a rib to Sweden to conduct further genetic testing. They're trying to find out where it sits in the canine evolutionary tree and could reveal more information about when dogs and wolves diverged from a common ancestor and when how and when how dogs were domesticated. So would this be the oldest dog like that tangible evidence that we have of it. Yes of an existing of a specimen of this fossils fossil like like dog dogs. That are this old. What do we have? We got fifteen thousand year old dog fossil found in Germany and that was that was considered that once the oldest one. How weird that this show this one would actually be a perfectly preserved with DNA like how cool is does that mean to whiskers and everything? There's another picture which we don't have here. They have its mouth open. It has all all its puppy. Teeth and every eight. How cool would it be if they could? They could clone it. We can see with the dog was like yeah they couldn't they could theoretically call it in good shape or if that yeah how much is that. DNA Decay too. I think interest that forty forty three percent of the scientists tweeted about it. Pretty reintroduce you might have to put eight in with like dogs or wolves yeah Jurassic Cereal in there to get it all right but to make sure you put them on. DNA TERRESA dog so meet. It's probably easier to do the. Mammoth definitely feels more ethical. Big uh-huh thirty feet small cool. who months old? I don't have the weight or the actual dimension there are some. If you google him you can see him. Relative to people's arms enhanced sex small it was like you know maybe maybe this size my fault. I mean it wasn't tiny like a Chihuahua puppy but like a wolf hobby. 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Did something called sentiment analysis which is a technique where they can actually look at real life big data and make some comparisons draw some conclusions so they were interested in conspiracy thinkers and they wanted to try and understand patterns of behavior among them so they went to read it and and read. It has a ton of breads and one of them is ar slash conspiracy so of course there's selection bias there but that's what they were looking. They wanted to see who is posting on the conspiracy. peercy forums within read it. How did they get there? What what is some of the behavior that led up to it so they actually took a bunch of users from Arkan spiracy and they sort of backdated backdated and looked at a bunch of their posts from right before they stumbled into Arkan spiracy so they found the point in which sort of connected to Arkansas spiracy and then they looked at what led up to it and they compared that to individuals from other channels so sort of did match controls that weren't in conspiracy channels and they wanted to draw some inferences says and they found some really interesting things they found that conspiracy theorists in many ways really do self select they appear to be seeking out communities of people so once they find that sort of nucleated creation point they like to stay there and they follow really clear pathways so for example these users compared to the non conspiracy users were over represented in sub Brett's focused on politics drugs and Internet culture leading up to finding conspiracy? They also engaged in topics more kind of vehemently mainly the engaged more often they posted more and they said that they were also really surprised by all the different pathways that they took to get there so you would think that they would all be on one side of the political spectrum. They weren't they. Were kind of all over the place and they didn't find that the people showed measures of like anxiety in their post. They didn't don't seem to have more kind of mania or anymore indicators that they were more anxious when they posted and the same researchers have done a bunch of previous research to show that actually conspiracy theorist type person. There are a lot more diverse than you would think. And they said that actually when they were looking at their previous posts in political sub read. That's and then they compare them to other people who posted in this political separates but never made their way to our conspiracy. Their language was actually pretty similar because remember they're doing sentiment analysis which which is like a linguistic analysis looking at the use of words and the frequency. And things like that so It's kind of interesting that they're harder to tease out from the general population but one one of the things that they found. was that self select. They don't passively stumble in they actually build and build and build until they get there and then of course once they're in an echo chamber it worsens the a problem and I always like to read a good quote. But here's a great quote from a psychologist named David Funder. He said quote individuals. Do not just passively passively find themselves in the situation of their lives they often actively seek and choose them often is an important word there but thus while certain kind of bar may tend to generate a situation that creates it fights around closing time only certain kind of person will choose to go to that bar in the first place and I think that's a good kind of parallel there but I just emphasize one point though these are conspiracy theorists and people who believe in a conspiracy because these are people who go to a conspiracy separated we're all sorts of conspiracy and they actively engaged because the research shows that there's basically two two overall flavors of people who believe in conspiracies or people who believe in specific conspiracies because they are resonant with their ideology right found a collection of people with whom they agree and they're able to like you believe that nine eleven was an inside job because you're a Democrat and you hate the George Wash right or you no you for example believing that one conspiracy because it does something for you politically then. There's the all purpose conspiracy theorists who believe every conspiracy and the believing the conspiracy. Is the point details that there is some evidence to show that people who believe in a single conspiracy are then going to be more likely to start taking us. Sometimes because that's the way it was a gateway conspiracy interesting conditions sort of tonight. you start thinking about things. In that Lens I think People Do Stumble upon the gateway way conspiracy. But if you're already a conspiracy theory you are seeking at a certain point you you put on the blinders and just become self among us. They're out there spreading the population. That's not like yes all right so go about ready to do science fiction and this picture relates to the theme. It's time full science all fiction so every week I come up with three sides to fake but on this episode I have four items and I have a theme When we were traveling to Milford Sound our tour guide told us that we were coming up to a stop at this stop we have uh-huh Shambles Shamal now because they don't exist? It's a sheep and a camel hybrid. Aw Hey news talk about. He was talking about the llamas. Willie camel like things you know. So they could see where he he said. Of course you can actually hybridize to sheep and a camel that evolutionary distant. But that inspired me to do a hybrid fien inside yes all right. We'll have to turn around so I can read them. Here are three of these hybrids exist and and one of three of the statements making about hybrids are true and one is fiction so here we are number one. Eight jeep is is a very rare successful offspring between a goat and a sheep. I keep a Turkey is a hybrid chicken Turkey that is to raise the specially tasty but not commercially viable because it is sterile so you can't breed them. Hey Wolf in the offspring of a female bottlenose dolphin and a nail false killer whale occur in nature and are tile so they can produce a stable population if they were so inclined if they're so although dromedary commentary camels way up to six times as much as lamas Hybrid Karma has been successfully produced. Okay so three of those are real and one. I Made Up. I've been why don't we start with you. Did you want to pull the thank you. I do because I need someone to single cloud method. I'm going to bring my hand when I get to hear. You'RE GONNA clap fiction right so you think that the gape in fiction clap. We should job. Yes that was the proud if you think that the Turkey is new fiction clap. I was a little the way you think the wall thing is the fiction. Clap and you'd think I think that the comma is the fiction clap so I think to in three at high maybe wolfing had the edge. Yeah almost nobody four word the jeep and a few for the common so with that and then. What are your thoughts no help whatsoever? Thank thank you boy. You know this is just take a guess you flip to coins right Bob and you figure out which one this is so agape you know it just. It's such a silly name for that. You know that could be made absolutely could be a made up name the Cherki now the production. That's the thing. Okay Okay so if you wish you wish you had gone there to duck and I could see them trying to have made those easier arrays but not commercially viable. I think I can see that one as being science the Walpin I kind of thought that one was science institute until the audience may be convinced me otherwise. I don't know what you guys collective thought is on that you read it out. See what you're thinking about that one and then the one about the camel's comma may have been successfully produced. Never heard of any of these. Well I think what I'll do is I'm going to trust my my new friends and some of my old friends here in New Zealand. I'm going to say that the Walton is GonNa be the fiction ongoing solely on your recommendation in here. So I'm going to counter that S- I think the Waffen might actually be science. They're both CETACEANS. bottlenose dolphins event. And this doesn't say the ORCA is the false killer whale which may actually be a dolphin so I'm assuming that there's a chance which will we have. Dolphins are whales so it's not it's not a it's not the same species but also we were broadening the species definition out because we don't know all also taken. Yeah so the thing. That is the kicker there's that it's fertile but I think we know that wolves dogs can breed and they can make fertile offspring. So it's getting wiggling what's a species you're also saying. Are you saying that the goat sheep jeep is a successful offspring. Does that mean they're also fertile your life so the only one with fertile offspring here is this one so I think that's kind of the supposed to be the Gotcha. which is what? I'm going to say that that one is science I think there's probably a church I don't know it seems like it's one of the easiest things to try to produce because farmers already able to do some selective breeding there and BBC. He's experiment to do. I don't know the golden shape feel like they're nowhere near the same species like those are two very different types of species. He's he's to me but I wish I mean what their order like. You know they're healthy. Yeah camels and Llamas might be one of those things were even though they're like in other parts of the world that they actually do have a pretty common ancestor. Maybe you could breathe. I'm going to go with the deep being that I'm using thinks the mental gymnastics fiction right as far as the jeep goes. I mean you look at if you're looking at goats they're clearly evil and sheep or clearly like you. You know angelic and evil. Evil Evil preys on on the weak and innocent. And yes. This is the order of things things. If you will hear you used to your mental gymnastics. J. Shitting said they look evil. So therefore they're able a whole Turkey is if it doesn't goddamn existed. They better make it because it sounds like a culinary dream. I mean I don't Wanna I don't WanNa be too sophomoric here but like they're both boys and I could see it happening. I could see how you doing. I'm good I'm a chicken Turkey. Let's pretty much how they do it at chickens guy game that was intended the gas we. Where do you think the term chicks came from? Yeah all right so so anyway. The waffen is the one that I flip flopped on several times since you said it False killer whale more information about the false killer whale it's a way L. But looks like a killer whale but it's not a killer whale goethals. How big is it? Okay okay. I WANNA science when Steve Goes at sites and this last one the dromedary camel I've seen movies okay. Okay Okay No. He didn't think he was pretending. I didn't know what we're dromedary. Yeah of course I rode. I've rode food. A camel cool. Camels totally always seem a little pissed off. Oh my God attitudes totally sometimes down. Did you ever see their feet when their feet hit they kind of superior really interesting Mike and by that when I don't see why you without a lot more information emissions google although so I think I'm going to say are you going to be. Yes yes yes. I'm going to say the Turkey does not exist. Okay all right now I'm GONNA I'm not GonNa some of these actually none of these surprise me. It's like any of these could be true. Who the hell knows? So I'm GONNA go with. Sometimes I have to resort to if Cherki existed did I think we would have heard of it. The other one's not necessarily but a Cherki. That's just too awesome. not to write about. I think we have come across it. So I'm going to be with Jay into the Cherki is fiction. Ah based on that and you guys kind of thought. It might be pictured as well so those two together. That's the key to Turkey's Ah let's see if we influence the audience if you think that the jeep is the fiction clap took turkeys fiction. Clap if have you been the Walpin is the fiction. Clap Stephen and anything that the com- is that you move them at all they just completely league discounted alright. Sheep lies photos last week of our trump is. It's part of our group is leaving tonight and I accidentally had the shows photos were mixed with. Oh this this thing came up. That is a half. Oh My oh my God. No wonder you reacted so strong. Let's get you real awesome so that's a long torso look a little deeper this very hard to produce. They can't produce. They produce their viable shot multiple pictures on them and they're extremists Sweeney's area off as typical with hybrids. Yeah how some dog reach a combination. Breeds handle right right. Do not stable. Okay let's see another picture mall now. This is a wealth how that's also highly variable level of this fall slow the search for new very wise. How some pictures? The killer whale teeth. You know Tom. They're very very close. There's also -tations and their offspring are actually viable. That is a huge mouth man for you. Look huge pockets burns aligns well because he occasionally crosses close but typically and usually what happens. is they just agreeing with bag populations. And so the Jesus's he says get back. But of course like humans era into there was there were human chimps by separatist it. Softens have culture and they have a lot more kind of self limiting would be interesting to see you eventually you you know. I wonder if they discriminate against no. They're very popular. Yep well they have tremendous singing so we're left with Cherki Comma in the commerce commerce. You WanNa comment on the next one. The science the next one is going to be a car or you did. Yeah come on come on. Come ask ask the doorbell amazing so it was difficult to get them to cross them because the cameras are six times bigger than llamas so they had to do artificial insemination. And there's no intermediary species dogs Chew Alba's Alba's and great great Danes can can breathe through intermediaries going to change genetic material meteors. Yeah this is go to the state for generations to their offspring. Could this artificial insemination Asian because camels have no game so why why would they bother to do this so obviously llamas are used for their wall but llamas are assholes right. There are assholes. Bloggers are much worse. Plus worse you saw the attitude. They were giving us on the last. Oh Yeah you're in any of this picture. It was Har Hard to control their they spit. They're there's nasty creatures but also camels are a lot bigger so imagine allama as big as a camel with the personality of a camel. It it was for so it'd be easier to handle you get much much more firm. So yeah. So that's why they created the comma unfortunately early the commas have the personality of Allama. You can read for personality but at least the for that first generation back back when it was born it was like what's the fad now. There's no picture of Cherki 'cause they don't well. I had a picture of a Turkey. You should've tried to draw your hand. I'm doing a lot of references. Say That Turkeys don't exist at all but I did find a reference where they said that they were able this one situation to get a chicken and Turkey to produce a living offspring but they're not really viable the here's the problem chickens. Have six chromosome Turkeys. Have Nice and so the chromosome Richmond. Mismatch is just too much and literally literally like after after making thousands of attempts like thousands of eggs cross between a Turkey and chicken. The a ninety nine point nine nine percent of them have don't have live offshore so there was one at one point. Yeah but it was all nest us. Did it clock gravel. Yes they don't think the NFL made this past week. It doesn't even really annoys all screwed up like some horrid experiment. Yeah reminded of the remake of the fly right house ozone there's no viable offspring. Good okay but if muchly wouldn't be delicious which means say it which means what Janai win. Say The word most of the Audience Carey. I think you know. Forty percent of the very thick happens when Reggie what happens when a New Zealander breeds within Australia Galley and that called something. It doesn't happen. Does that never been a confirmed. So if you put that up there that would have been the fiction Austrailia the Australians call like a bum Kinda guy remember Richard Saunders told us a Boden Bogan. Something Cody my right voting. So let's make up a word word right now. So it's a key Boden Bogan Bogan Bogie. Bogies it that'll stick or we have time for a couple of quick questions Mike Out in the audience here we go. Janis is on it. Johnny thank you mark. The question is about the progression of bird evolution from dinosaurs. Maybe did it go the other way around. Yeah our dinosaurs source secondary flightless. I read a science fiction book with the postulated that so I think the just the very concept of progression is the wrong concept because there there's no progression in evolution. What we've discovered? Is You have theropod dinosaurs. which are small some bigger but they are feathered dinosaurs? Yes so they look. They're very bird like and they are now. Discovering a lot of them are feathered downy feathers and whatnot doc. Especially when they're young they might have. Babies might have had downy feathers for whatever reason but in between theropod dinosaurs and modern birds there there. Is this massive. Bushy adaptive radiation of all kinds of feathered dinosaurs. There's no path like straight line path breath from theropod dinosaurs to modern birds and archaeopteryx isn't even on the line two birds. They're often aside shoot somewhere. There's yeah there's micro raptor with four Wings birds with feathers. That didn't fly then. Works with flight. Feather Yeah 'cause like they're both both forearms and hind legs have feathers Kinda using glide. There's there's gliders and then and then there's one Oh yeah okay. This branch led to modern birds. You know so you have to think of more of this sort of really complicated branching thing and every time we find a new feathered dinosaur somewhere in that mix adds another complexity to it. You know what I mean. must've of those things died. The one branch that led to modern birds is the only one that survived wasn't progressing towards that it's just like horses. It's the same the number of the false progression. That was very famously. Like in the Natural History Museum in New York which they kept like this is not real but this is what we thought one hundred years ago. Where are you have you hippies and then progressively more modern horse like you know members of that? Actually these are not related. This is not a direct like this did not evolve into that Devolve to that. These are just. You're just taking horses worst. Like animals from all different branches of this adapting Bush and then you're putting him in a fake line. It's also like human solution that classic progression from Walker to more. That's not a real progression. We did not evolve from knuckle walkers. They're on a different brand steve. The the only progression though was right. Are you take one from here and then another one way over here would later because when you look at short when you look at a Klay Diagram though lots of times you'll see that there are these points at the beginning which are common ancestors and some are really long lines and some are really short lines because one offs you will have only lasted twenty one thousand years one rule of less than five million years right so you could just keep evolving on. Its own eventually. Just one species of horse related animal double that lost some of its toes. But it wasn't on the branch to modern horse. Yeah it's just GonNa Happen. Something's happened multiple times because they're easy to happen. Genetically and so you see. Multiple branches independently independently. That's the analogous versus thing. So they put like analogous traits into this fake progression and just to make it look superficially like a progression Russian to an end result that we know happened because that's the surviving waste feathers like feathers. Same thing a lot of couples drive so yes so get rid of the progression Russian me out of your head when you're thinking about balloons just a messy see what does occur. archaeopteryx is interesting and captures people's imagination. I have tattooed on. My forearm is because it actually has very dinosaur like features and very bird like features and it was very difficult for people to figure out at the beginning where to put on a Bony Tail Hale. It has teeth lacks the adaptation to to flight. It's there's lots of details where it's you know. It is half dinosaur for half bird but it's just an offshoot. It's clearly not on the straight line to modern birds time we are. So what's the question is society getting any more or less sceptical facetiously but honestly answered. Yes I think everything is happening. I do think that there are more skeptics in the world. I think that the skeptical optical community is growing the scuttle community maturing it is better informed. We have better infrastructure and I think that our tendrils on the interwebs are are having a dramatic effect in terms of has a little bit less baggage. It's not necessarily always equated with cynic right. You have similar experience. I think the real changes just been the way more literature back in. Carl Sagan's days they weren't as nuance as we are. We have people that are specialized in different things. And we have way more outreach way. Better game twenty years but at the same time a lot more misinformation out there as well there of the of the other side quote unquote the people who are promoting cons or misconceptions or myths or bleep systems. They're expanding because of social media etc as well and and so there's no way out there the gap it's hard to hard to say it's shocking ebbs and flows because they're these point you can talk about like society as a whole moving moving but you really can only do that in hindsight especially when you have people who are in positions of great influence and power that shift so quickly so it looks for example like the American landscape escape right now is completely in the toilet. But I don't know if in six years looking back where do the two step three step a lot. Okay last question. Last question I had the best we have New Zealand. I had a blueberry lemon pancake breakfasts earlier in the week. Your daughter is talking about Yeah we both had it. It was this maybe an unpopular opinion. But you guys have amazing butter like your best butter so anything you butter is better under. The French agree better. Butter coffee is bouncing good. That's quite a statement. I mean I'm a huge coffee. 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How To Be Sex Positive ft. porn star Alana Luv

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How To Be Sex Positive ft. porn star Alana Luv

"This is a head gum podcast. These while. Welcome to. This is why you're single podcast. I'm Laura lane and I'm Angela spare where the coders of the book. This is why you're single every week. We highly different dating topic. This week's episode is how to be sex positive. Yes. Also in the lineup, we're talking about what's new in dating news the worst way to kiss according to science and why robots sex might not be as healthy as you hoped. Then we're diving into the mailbox. Answer your listener questions, including listener whose insecure about her boobs and another listener who wants to know how to deal with her hair extension falling out during hookup. But first we want to welcome this week's guest. She is a porn star billed as a quote, exotic Russian blonde who has been nominated twice for the hottest Milford ward at the avian awards. Please welcome this week's guest Alana love. Hi, thank you so much for having me. Thank you for coming on. Okay. First of all, do you actually have children? No, I do not. So why are you called a mill? You're young, beautiful. Title tan right now, she got brunette, Brown eyes, blond hair skin doesn't look like any moms that I know. Twins. Yeah, thank you. Not moms come in all shapes and sizes, I suppose, but, but because industry, yeah, anyone over the age of twenty one or two. No, twenty two twenty three's considered a mill. That's crazy. Yeah. And since I'm thirty five, I'm definitely window. When did you start working in the porn industry where you always always? Yeah, yeah. So you were always the mouth. I was always the mill. Never the team though. Oh, so you used to work in finance? How did you make the transition into porn and what made you decide to get into it? I used to work as an accountant and marketing manager on Wall Street and the economy sucked. So it's like it just became really bad. And then I just I emailed the bunny ranch. Someone told me about it and everything, and then ten minutes later I got a call from Denis off. I thought he was kidding. I thought it was a joke and someone was pranking me. So I hung up for for those for our listeners don't know, explain what the bunny ranch. It ranch is a legal brothel in Reno, Nevada. So there's no direct flight from New York, unfortunately. So. So what made you finance? You know the Konomi tanks. You don't wanna be in the finance industry of all the jobs that you could do to get out of the finance industry. What made you Email the bunny ranch that everything that was offered to me was only like offering me. Not even half of what I was making. So even though I was still living at home at the time, I was like, I cannot live off this Alary. So somebody I forgot who told me a friend of mine told me about the buddy ranch, and I was like, let me see how it is. And I finally did it. I started crying the first time I did it. The guy paid me to leave on my because I was crying. Yeah. And then it just you just thinking, like I like sex. I like money. Why not try the bunny ranch like what was going through your head at the time thinking, let me try just for money in like I know how to have sex. So I mean, I can't be that bad right. But it is like I got an exciting because I'm like, oh my God, I'm actually doing it for money and like I'm not really attracted to the person or anything like so. But as time goes on because I was there for three years, traveling two weeks out of every month, it became easier and easier. Is there like a training process at the bunny ranch? There's no addition process. There's no training process. You show up and they show up. They don't tell you what I don't know. Type of semi out have doesn't come in like, this is where there's no HR. I mean, every girl gets tested every week and stuff. The house was take half of whatever you're making. So that was an a great thing. But you know. So tell us more about the bunny ranch, like what was it like other than the first time? That was probably most memorable experience because you never forget you. I just sex. You never forget you. I and I will never forget my first shoot. You not me in, but the bunny ranch was it was an experience and I had a positive experience for me. It was a positive experience because it made me like look at things differently than I would normally because I was just, you know, running the door of different clubs in New York City, and I would I would have a full-time job running the marketing of restaurants and everything. And I'm not going to say that I was sheltered because I wasn't. But. Being at the bunny ranch, it made me actually get a whole new view of life and a whole new view of relationships. And actually what I want and what I don't want. And like these guys, I came to me even couples that came to me, it wasn't just it wasn't just all about sex. Like I was there therapists pretty much to they wanna talk. Yeah. And a lot like about what? Just about everything like they wanted to talk about like their issues with their wife or their husband or something and like or talk about like their business or anything. So it wasn't like these did it mo- Giardi of them didn't just want to have sex. They wanted a companion to charge by the hour. I did of course. Hi. Hi, paying keep talking. So what I as an outsider, I'm always curious. What is the line between like owning your own sexuality and being at the bunny ranch or or even doing porn? And and then also like objectification where where's that line like, we're some women do. Do you feel like more objectified in some women were like, I am owning this and I'm owning my sexuality is different for every woman there. It was different for everyone so, but for me, I was owning it. It was me like I'm comfortable in my skin and everything. And for me, it was just like, I, I love Saxon. I love people and I love being social. So what was were, what was it like for some of the other women that didn't feel the way you did. A lot of them were shy. But if you're shy of in you're in the wrong industry, right. Well, isn't it kind of like I've seen the show on HBO it's where it's exactly like you have to buy for your customer, right? Like you're the bar and like it's just like dating like they have to your neck with them dating, kind of, yeah, minus the speed dating. So I'm interested in the kind of guys that you would deal with a couple of episodes go. We actually got an Email from a listener who was like a forty year old virgin. He was, yeah, he was before year old virgin. He was not sure about having sex with the first time like he wasn't sure if you should tell the person or whatever. So lure kind of came up with DEA. She was like, maybe you should go to a sex worker to just get it out of your system. Was that good advice about? It was great advice. Yeah. I've actually had a forty one year old version. Oh my God. This is perfect. Tell us everything. What what was that like? 'cause we're us actually. Were you kind of able to be as teacher in a way? Yes. And he started crying and then fell in love and no. Ono cute. But. But when he told me that he was a forty one year, old virgin, I didn't believe him what may not believe him. The fact that he was forty one years old. Yeah, right. No matter how ugly you are. Anything like you'll have sex. I'll have sex with you. But no, he took care of his family. He was just working and didn't have time to sex or anything, but like. He, he chose me and I was just like, I feel honored and all, but I did teach them. And then like now I think he has. I don't speak to him, but I assume he has sex and his name was Tom petty, so you could get away with it. That's my can't like forget the person because I'm like the name like that. Like, you can't Tom petty? No, just I bless you. Yeah, I Tom Taibbi version of fun fact, though it would be well. Okay. So I feel like a lot of the guys are feel like even if they don't say anything you can tell by the way they have sex is the first time. Would you say that? That's true? Like could you tell by the way he knows some people are just really bad. Yeah, like you sex million times viable. Right? And some people think that they're great, but they're still really bad. It has nothing to do with experience. So for any of you guys or girls, they're less. Listening who are nervous mistake people make is they don't communicate like if you like to be eating out or something like that, say it if you like foreplay, say it like no one's a mind reader. So that's why like some people could be really bad in bed because they don't know what they're doing wrong. Right? Yeah, it's all all comes of communication when it comes to relationships. Right, always does that. So then you made the transition into the porn industry. Is it what made you do that and what do you like about the porn industry? And then also, what do you wish was different? A will right now? The industry definitely changed, so I Bush everything was different in the porn industry, but I decided I needed to change from the bunny ranch and I was like with the difference between what I do on camera off camera, there is a difference because there's cameras all like all in you and everything. So there is a different, but I like I love. The porn industry. I love everyone I shot with. I can't say that I've had a bad shoot or bad director or anything. And of course, I met a great publicist so, but with the with all the free porn and everything, the industry definitely changed with everyone getting into the industry, the race changed the whole dynamic change. So that's what I wish I wish that like less money now. Yeah, exactly. So I wish that when I was around like when I first got into that, it would stay like that like there was a lot more shoots going on. There was a lot more like to do when people were actually paying for foreign instead of like getting access to free porn. So it doesn't work out for my benefit via so. So working at the bunny ranch, if at any point you wanted to go back into finance or some other industry would have been able to because nobody knew who you were or would have been too. It still has no clue what I do. Well, now they must know how if you kept it a secret, I have no idea been knock on wood. I'm still keeping it a secret. Even even my mom. Wow. What does she think you do run marketing of a strip club which I did, so it's not like I'm lying. There you go. Stretching of the truth. Exactly. I mean, I did. So it would have been easier to or you definitely would have been able to keep it a secret if you were just at the bunny ranch. But I guess jumping into porn is a little bit harder a little bit more risky of people finding out or. And that's why took me so long to get into the porn industry because I was like, I can't have people knowing anything. And then at the end of the day, like nobody helps me pay my bills or anything. So who is anybody to judge mean when they're probably worse than I am behind closed doors. So I mean at the end of the day long as my family has no clue, I don't care who knows. What do you think of the misconceptions that people think think about the sex industry and said, it will always be misconceptions except how are we hurting anybody in how are we affecting anyone when at the end of the day, like I know I get tested every two. Weeks just to make sure that I'm okay, so, but half of the civilians you wanna call it or as we call it, but they don't even know what test is. They think a Pap smears test. So how like which it is, but it doesn't test for everything. Right, exactly. But I mean, we get tested for absolute everything just to make sure that we're cleaned in world k. and everything because there's no matter money in the world that will jeopardize my health and what makes us any worse than somebody going out to a club and sleeping with the guy, not knowing them having a one nightstand. Why? Because they're not getting paid for Niamh when you're on a shoot. Is there like who's like making sure that like your is also tested while the director, the producer and everything. We all check. We all check. This has just to make sure that everything is good the day before the test. The day before the shoot. Do you get to pick your your partners? You can say like, no, I'm not that any. A saying yes or no, they tell you who you're going to shoot with. I get an Email, I Google them and then you get the option of saying, oh, that's great. Was it kind of similar at the bunny ranch? Like if you saw a guy down guy then and you were like not into him or you were like, I don't want to you. You have the option of saying no, a nicer in the next ten thousand hours to see me. Did you ever have to do that? Was there ever somebody that you're looking? I can't. There's not enough money. He's a lot really what, what that to work hard at the budding ranch. So. Edge. So was it like a physical thing that but no, just like the physical thing I could deal with like, but it was just like I would get a vibe and I would just be like, I can't do this. So have to say no. Would you say no, or would you just charge an exorbitant amount? You'd be like a hundred k. yeah, that's exactly what I was like ten thousand hours to see me. They're like, really? Like you. Made of gold. Do you consider yourself feminist. Yes, no. I mean. What do you mean? I mean, I feel that women should be treated equally as men to your feminists. Yeah. But at the same time, it's like. I don't know. I guess I, yeah, I never really thought about. Is there like a weird like I in the porn industry is a loaded question? Yeah. Is that like a loaded question? No, not really. Never really thought about. So when you're like looking, what makes a good scene partner when you're filming a shoe like would like there to be that you prefer over others? Like, what are those qualities. Obviously, there has to be an attraction, some sort of traction or else because the camera doesn't lie, but. It's not where like I hate the ones where you just meet them and stuff, and it's just like high were shooting today. I go, my way may go their way. And then when the shoot comes, we were just like, okay, let's shoot is not one that way. Yeah, but where I we speak on Twitter and social media or stuff like that before the shoots that way. It doesn't like it's not awkward or anything like four play, kind of kind of like word for play, but right. So it makes it more interesting. You've done a lot of videos. Some titles we found include Lana love gets fucked after yoga, businesswoman Lana love. It's cream pie by five guys. Lawn love loves to fuck her pussy with a toy. What is your favorite video that you've done? I love them all, but I can honestly say that I love the ones where it was my box cover, so because it was my box cover. So what does that mean? I'm on. She's on the box. Yeah, on the box. So not always on the box? No, there's. I mean, everyone needs to fair chance, but. Ana boxers like multiple different porn and they choose who's going to be right, and who's going to be on the cover. I'm just like, I'm on it citing. Yeah. Are the solo videos easier to shoot. Yes, because it's Hicks, like I prefer having sex than a solo scene because it just takes too much work to actually come and use toys and everything. But I mean, people love it. So it's the equivalent to like when we record episode with a guest and without really others pros and cons. Right. There you go. So you're in a relationship right now. Is that right? I am g find it hard dating as a porn star. And is your boyfriend in the industry? He is not in the industry. So what does he think about he secure within himself? That's all he's okay with it. And like he met me this way so. But a man needs to be really comfortable with himself and really like strong minded and just to like be okay with it and be like, that's still my girl no matter what. And at the end of the day, she's coming home to me. So does he watch your movies? No, no. I don't watch my own movies either. I know what happens. Have you had problems in the past with boyfriends? Like being insecure and. It was in a pass relationship where we spoke about it, and that's how I got into porn. I was in relationship when I was with him and everything. And at first it was okay and it was great. And then towards the end, he became like a crazy fan where he would have to watch all my movies and everything and like it would just be a little weird considering the fact that I was right next to him and I'm like high. You have the real thing like high. Yeah. Why are you watch my video? I'm Ray here. Right? Exactly. So, I mean, it became a little weird. So amongst other issues, that's one of the reasons why we not again. So he wanted the fantasy version of you not like. Yeah, I don't understand. Like do you like me or Alana love? How did you come up with your name? I was in my creative with it. I just I just figured it has to have a love in it. So. So might as well, what would your porn star name be? If you did like the classic I pet street name. Like mine would be Norman, Bel Air, what would you this good that what was your porn? Star navy. Mine would be sparky boulevard. That's good. Mine would probably be lucky bell. Oh, that's good. Could've been could've been mine. I just thought I've ever now shit connect. So your pet growing up was lucky or no? No, no. I just figured I like the name lucky. Had a pet. Yeah, exactly if I had a pet. So he did you. Did you have a pet growing up. I did my dad. My dad had a dalmatian. What was the name was a dummy action. So what was your pet's name? Julie reason. And then what was the street you grew up on, that's that's how you find your your classic porn star name bay Parkway. So Julie Parkway would be or Julie bay Julie bay. Good. All right, Julie bay is a good one. Like an alternative persona. Right? Brooks. I feel like we all have good, classic porn star name. Yeah, you just but that's a, it'd be a boy star. Went over. All right. We're gonna take a quick sponsor break, but later on in the podcast, we're going to talk a little bit more about making sex positivity part of your life. And next we're going to be jumping into what's in the news. We would like to thank our sponsor, Brooklyn, Brooklyn. 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So I up. They said, don't drink too much beforehand. They said, while having a glass of wine, I eight can commune herbs too much isn't good, of course because kissing stimulate some of the same chemicals in your brain as alcohol does. So dopamine is released in response to things like kissing sex drugs and alcohol. So you're already drunk on alcohol, and then you add the dopamine of kissing and your judgment can get cloudy. It's kinda true, but I mean, I'll once your junk junk. So like, but the of course, but once you're things get messy, but that's the whole fun of it. I guess you ever have a glass of wine before you shoot. No, I'm actually completely sober. Shoot. Very professional high, try. Okay. Number two thing not to do while you're kissing. They said, don't be afraid to rock lipstick. You might believe that a break color on your lips can prevent someone from kissing you because they don't want to smear something, but apparently the opposite is true. They conducted a survey on match dot com, and they found that women have more success getting I kiss when they're wearing lipstick and they feel sexier when they were red lipstick, I find that to be false because every guy hates lipstick. Yeah, nNcholas, too. Yeah. Slips if I ever say he'll do like an air kiss. Right? Or kiss me on the forehead. Yeah, and no. So that's falls. Yeah. I agree. I find big Bs, yeah. Okay. Number three, don't tilt your head to the left according to a study published in the science of kissing two thirds of people tilt their heads to the right when going in for a kiss. I think I might tilt her, but then I'll go a little bit left, but I feel more comfortable on the right. On the left really well, I'm a lefty, so they so I guess it depends if you're a lefty. Alrighty. Yeah, I think too. What else? Mixed bag. Number four, don't have bad breath. That women took into account a bed breath more than men did. So men don't care as much. Their animals. Don't keep your mouth. Close also seems like a, they said, there is evidence that saliva has testosterone in it. So that's why men prefer sloppier open mouth kisses. So just the more open and sloppier the better. Why would you keep it close to begin with peg if you're doing like a chaste peck really. Your mom. All right. So he's a lot of tongue and finally don't do it if you feel pressured. When you're stressed out your body releases cortisol and kissing leads to decrease cortisol levels. So it reduces the feeling of stress. Also there's be all out of whack the issue of consent to any. That exactly see, you'll have a bad kiss if you feel stress good to know feel comfortable and everything that you do so so maybe glass wine. What we said earlier. And that's it for science. Wanna know what? What are you reading? But I was reading our favorite Cosmo sexy. This is an article by girl, Hannah smothers wouldn't you know having sex with robots isn't healthy? She says a recently published report in b. m. j. sexual reproductive health titled sex robot. The health implications of the sex, bro by industry did a deep dive into the world of robots sex data, except here's the problem I have with this study. There isn't a whole lot of data on this. So the doctors behind the report, basically try to guess what having sex with robots will mean to society and whether it's helpful or healthy. Here's what they said. I want to know what you guys think. They say they wrote it a speculative, whether the development of of sex marketplace will lead to lesser risk of violence and infections or drive further exploitation of human sex workers. The researchers wrote sexual violence survivors and activists already compaign against rape culture. The idea that overwhelmingly male violence is regarded as entitled and prosecution is so difficult that perpetrators of sexual abuse act with impunity. They also. Resent concerns about whether sex Botts may do to humans who interact with them. To basically wrote. It's plausible that sex robots would maybe be helpful for for patients who had benefit from sexual practice. You know, maybe linking amputees or people that that that I don't know have have some kind of right issues, although this might move people further away from human intimacy. Anyways, it's all speculative. What are your thoughts on? Would you ever have sex with a robot? No. I just think I, if I just think it's weird. Secondly, like, yeah, it's just weird all around and like I prefer human interaction and not a robot. Yeah, that's why you don't like the soul of it. Yes, exactly. Makes she gets. Now I feel the same way it's just making having making love which sounds really gross. Billy having sex with like just like a limp thing. Right. I guess you have like a robot is similar to like a sex doll, right? Yeah. But like supposedly in the future of the ideas that the robots are maybe a little more humanlike. Right? So now, but like research, we're not gonna have any humans. We're just gonna have a robot. I guess you'd have to industries that would be shutting right. Then you'd be out of like to do, what are you going to do next to Mars? Maybe maybe they would still watch porn while having sex with the robot because you need like the sound effects, at least maybe the robust. We'll have this effect on my well. Maybe you can get into like a recording career affects. This reminds me that they were saying the researchers are worried that like people are going to be abusive towards the sex, basically, which will make people worse in relationships is at the idea, I guess. So I guess they think that like either it will, they said it will lesser the risk of violence and infections because people will just be, I don't know if you haven't. Just be like hooking up at the robot instead of a real person. It's never going to be like the real thing though they're going to like, get all hyped up on the robot, and then wanna go out. Or or they say, yeah, maybe you know. If you're like a sexual violence survivor, having sex with a robot is like, I don't know if they're I'm kind of confused. They explaining that it's similar to like rape culture like they're like, raping the robot. I'm very confused by what these research on a much smaller scale reminds me of. I remember I had heard that like people that have Alexes in their home that get you sleep bossing around Alexa. The Alexa do this. They start talking to their partner, no more rudely. I see that rate so they still use to doing him right now that like there's just like I could do this to anyone, right and stuff. So I feel like if they're like that with Alexa. Imagine once you start having like weird sex with your robot doll, I don't know. It's a slippery slope. I don't like it. Yep. So I think I prefer human both agreeing with the research that sex robots are maybe not so healthy? No. All right. It is time for us to jump into the mailbox. We're going to have Lana answer some of your listener questions. But first, let's take a quick sponsor brain. Who was like, think our sponsor stitch fix fixes an online personal styling service, the fines delivers clothes, shoes accessories, to fit your body budget and lifestyle. All you gotta do is go to stitch fix dot com. Slash single until them your sizes, what styles you like and how much you want to spend on each item, which is very fun to do a lot of fun looking at all the outfits and they were like g like, this often do not. They asked me all the style questions. Yeah, it kind of made me think more about about my own style. I'm not very. I feel like I'm not very consistent like I'm very picky and they're down with that. They're like, we want you to be picky, right? Want to know what I like. 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I'm twenty one and I have a severe case of a symmetrical breasts as much as I was only twenty one. As she's not even a milk yet as. Much as I would like to hook up with someone or let my matches go further than the first eight. I'm ashamed to show off my chest or get intimate with someone any advice on how to gain a little confidence and be able to take things further with a guy would show them your breasts on the first date. That's that's true. So, but I mean when I mean once she gets, I guess it's the first thing is like, don't have sex before you're ready, you're ready. But once you ready, the guy will like you for you and like he'll love your body just the way it is. So you won't have to worry about all my God. Like are my bresca, does my ass to small or anything like that. The guy will ready love you for you. So it's a matter on whatever you ready, you both ready. I really think you're right. Like I mean, I think men just love boobs. They don't what size they are and like every person has something that they're insecure about what their body every man does as well. Right once you once you're crush hard on someone like you their flaws, you don't even see us laws. Right? Exactly. And also flaws are subjective. So what you see as a flaw, someone else, someone else might be like my brain this about you. I mean, really to the lopsided boob thing, I've been looking for that for a long time. No. Also I don't think is necessarily notice like right now. I mean, I could say in terms of lopsided boobs. I'm breastfeeding right now with my baby. So one of my boobs has just like produce is producing like a quarter of the milk, the boob. So let's say my boobs are soups, lopsided right now, Nick doesn't even notice. I'm like, look, this one so much bigger. Like. What I don't really don't care and they don't care about this. They don't notice plus also like maybe maybe the guys like, you know, I like both small and and big chested women. And now I got the best of both. And also I feel like if if she really can't get over the mental hump of like she, she, she just like caught up and you could also just leave your Braun just like have sex with Iran, right? Yeah. Until you get comfortable to be without it eventually you will. Yes, it's all about confidence. All right. What else do we got in the mailbox? Okay. So next up we have another anonymous listener. She said, I often back story. I x Ray that we will give you actually. She had surgery and she had to shave her hair and she got extensions while she was growing out her hair. So then she wrote one night. I was hanging out with a friend of mine. That also happened to be an off and on hookup. We went back to my house and hung out on the couch and watch broad city because broad city is Michelle, just like you learn. Yeah, I read city, things started happening, and I knew that would escalate to six. So I kept trying to make some excuses as to why we weren't going to actually have sex because I was kind of worried about the extensions. I said, oh, I'm on my period. Which was true, and I've never brought a guy back to my parents house which was also true. He responded with well, we could do other stuff like, are we in highschool ended up agreeing and gave him a blow job that must have been fun for her fine, whatever. I was down for it, he left and when I went to take my extensions out before bed, I noticed that I was missing one. Of course my mind started racing is the extension, his car. Did he notice what do I even do in this situation? So I went out to make sure I wasn't. It wasn't in the couch, but it was so he had pulled it out. I didn't notice that. I'm not sure if he did, but he never said anything about it beforehand. I didn't mention that I had extensions either. What's the protocol in this situation? You love this question. I thought know do I acknowledge it or just pretend it didn't happen? Who cares about extensions? I know I'll be honest. I have them. Oh, I have. I have. I have crazy extensions when I was in when I was in college, like this is when like Paris Hilton had the extensions that were like down to her, right? So I also have blonde extensions down to my ass and I have had them fall out in class. Right. I've had them fall out and I promise you like, it's not where it's like, oh, my God discussing your growth, like no one cares. Yeah, plus I do relate to the embarrassment when I was in college. Like one would fall out on the floor while I'm in class, I would like like reach my hand down and like crumple it up and then like like stuff in my backpack and about it like three seconds later. Yeah, kind of. Different. Like in public in class, whatever this guy, she knows him. He's our friend. It's not even like he was a random person that she's trying to impress a hookup hooking up, and I get she could, you know, when you're hooking up with someone like anytime something that you might deem like unsexy happens, which is like, you know the facade of your of like, you know, I'm sure she wants them to think like, oh, my hair just like is this long and beautiful. Right? But he also not had surgery felt it too. Yeah, that's true. You can kind of tell. Feel them for like versus like seeing on the ground as a guy? I'm sure it looks like a dead animal. I know. You know, I'm sure it wasn't a big deal. I mean he was probably funny if he did notice. Yeah. Yeah, let's continue what this will clear. Finish, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Would it be caller the next day? So if you did then it was fine. It would have been, it's probably guess maybe would've been better if they noticed it in the moment because they could have joked about it. Versus like things ID of like, oh my God. He didn't say anything. Does he know like does? Did he notice it? Like she said, like, he probably knew that he is that she has surgery, right? So so he was probably go, this is from, yeah. Right, right, right. Yeah, I forgot. Yeah, because she had them because of the surgery. Yes. So then of course, he's gonna. He's not gonna be worded out. He's gonna. And know that is going to know that like, okay, cool. Yeah. I mean, he's not gonna care that happens. You just have to handle it with humor and not like act on barris you know, percent own the extensions exactly own own it. Well, we hope to helpful if you other listeners want your questions answered, or if even funny text messages from an app that you wanna share, you can Email us at contacted. This is why you're single show dot com. You can also find all of our contact fo- on our website at this is why you're single show dot com. Now, let's dive into our reason of the week. This week's reason is how to be sex positive? Yes. So a lot of girls stress out about having sex too early with a guy and being afraid that they're going to be perceived as quote, unquote, slutty a word that I hate me one. Do you think of that word in General G think there is such a thing as having sex too early or too much or when you want right? How how can we? How can we sift through this? I think that no matter what even if like you have sex, I or you make the guy way whenever you're ready ready, you're all adults like we're all adults here. So it doesn't make a difference like we're not in junior high school, like or high school where it's like, oh my God, I need to make them wait six months to like me like he's like you. He obviously asked you offer a reason because he likes you. So if you feel that the moment is right then why not? And. If he likes you, then I promise you is going to happen again. So or if you like him, it's going to happen again, but no matter what like it doesn't matter about how long you make him late. It just matters if the timing is right. We talk a lot in our book about that, which basically we completely agree with you. One thing that that always bothers me is if you are going to have sex and you do make that decision, do it with confidence, right? But don't be the type of person that's like, oh, I never do this. I'm only doing with you because that just makes you look like someone that's not confident in their decision making skills, and that is like already regretting decision. Whereas I think as a guy, it's gonna make the guy feel where it's gonna make you feel weird. It's much more sexier to one of sex with someone that's owning their decision. That's like I'm really turned on right now. Guys going to respect you a whole lot more if you own up to everything that you do instead of like, oh, just like you said, like, I never do this. I only. This with you and they know you're lying. It makes it sound like sex is something to be ashamed of. I'm gonna do this terrible thing with you, but don't tell anyone like exam, just perpetuates the culture that we have of thinking of sex as a bad thing, which is really not about said, I, you. So other question you've talked about your past romantic partners trying to shame you for what you do. We have a quote from an article that you wrote actually where you said, I know what I do for a living, and I'm not a slut. I'm human. I have a heart if you can't handle knowing that there are porn movies. I star in where I've got a cock in my cock post, then don't ask me out on a date and later once the novelty has worn off thrown in my face. So how have you handled guys like that in the past? Like, what did you say to your ex? Who made you feel that way? Well, the funny part was like he was always trying to shame me and everything for what I do accept the funding part is like we spoke about me doing this. It's not like it was a secret and everyone that I meet like I met or me. I'm always one hundred percent honest and everything because I'm like, I'm gonna lay it all out for you. So it's either you get to know me for me or you can walk away. But majority of the guy say that they're okay with it in the beginning and everything. And then law and behold, like a month later when I actually do need to go to shoot, they're like not okay with it. So that's when you know, okay, these walkaway before it gets any worse than because I already know that it's going to get worse because my ex taught me. So by the way people on the apps use the Denia. I do not. Curious. Oh, like in between boyfriends, right? Yeah. Like before you met your boyfriend. No. You've never tendered. That's good. How how did you meet your current boyfriend? We met through mutual funds. Oh, yeah. Always a good way to meet people. That's how my mind. What is your advice to girls who want to have an active sex life but feel societal pressure? Not to don't listen to society and do whatever you want. That's pretty much it because at the end of the days you your body and the person that you're with does nothing to do with the outside factors. And what does sex positivity mean to you? Texas. The great thing like. Is there ever point in your life where you were like not like confident about sex or or you felt ashamed of having sex. In the beginning when I lost my virginity, I I have this lead had no clue what I was doing, but practice makes perfect. I guess. There you go. And that brings us. That's a good note for. You are reason of the week done. So our moms, he just a lot. But if you're looking for less on six positively, you may be better off asking a mill. We are going to see if a lot of knows the difference between the two in a game we call mama or mill. So we are going to name a TV mom, and we are going to name a porn star, and we're going to test whether you can tell the difference between the names of TV, classic TV moms or famous porn stars. Okay. Very porn. Stars who are myths, who are important note? Are you ready to play? Yes. All right. Go for it Bianca Romanova. Is that a mama or milk. A mama. Oh, wow report. Yeah, that's star. Jamie, Jackson porn star, or mama or mouth. Mom. That would be. what the hell that's all on my porn stars. We went through the list. We did try to make it a little hard for you. We didn't want. We didn't want to. We don't want anyone to obvious ones. He succeeded. Thank you Jane Jetson mum or mill, which is well, let's porn star keeping mom getting because all they can all be mill. So let's say TV or porn, TV, mom, porn star, was the name again, Jane Jetson TV. Yes, the Jetsons. Samantha Stevens TV mom or porn mouth formal. Bewitched one of my favorite, you know the show growing up. I don't like the nose. Where she like wiggles or no. Her name is Samantha Stevens. Okay. Janet Mason porn-star or TV mom porn-star. Louis Griffin TV or because lowest home. Was not your fault expelled like. We spelled it wrong. That's the family guy. I just pronounced wrong, but either way you got exactly. Okay, Gloria Marie, Delgado Pritchett. Is that a TV mom or porn? Mom. Goal, modern family yet Ryan, Connor porn. Yeah. I'm on a roll. You're right. Catlin stark Caitlyn. Okay. Lynn Caitlyn stark TV. From game if thrown. Yeah, I never watched game of thrones, you know, the stark exactly rainbow Johnson porn. In a way that was tough. That's from the show black ish, no way. Yeah, I know the name. It could go either way. This is the final one. CNS TV mom reports are TV point I felt like you changed at the last minute, but the buzzer what you're allowed to change your. Thank you. I would say you're on a roll there at the a, oh, made a big comeback comeback. Well, we hope we have cleared up this week's reason because that is it for this week's. This is why you're single podcast. Thank you so much to guess Alana love you so much for having me. We had so much with you. You can follow her on Twitter at Alana. 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