3 Episode results for "Mikko Rantanen"
2020 Stanley Cup Playoffs Stars/Avalanche Game 3
"Off. Hey guys, welcome back to sarcastic remarks the Stars only fan-led podcast wage. I'm Brian. Chris is joining us again this evening. Oh and we have a weird game to talk about several mood swings. At least for me watching and Our Stars could not close it out tonight to go up three games to zero. They still lead to games to one. But the Avalanche win the game tonight with the final score 624 off your overall perspective of tonight's game Chris. Yeah, I mean the ads played the way we thought they would they they played it like an elimination game which are pretty much it is that's as high stakes as a game can get for a first for a game other than a sweep and then it elimination game for Game for it cuz they were not going to go down without a fight no matter what was happening in this. So that was evident from the first whistle. They were playing fast and hard and skating harder to pucks than we've seen this whole series. I think even against the Arizona series they were skating harder. So they they take the leads and then even when we come back they find ways to answer and I think that's mainly due to them being What is it? Super resilience will say that it's not the word. I'm thinking of their really resilient tonight because they didn't want to go down Three Oaks. That's basically a death sentence. Well, you know and you can Tell me if you agree with this or not, but honestly, I would have rather just lost the game than the way we lost the game. Okay his degree. I had a lot of fun. I got your brakes off with the stars. Were there three unanswered. That was awesome. Yeah, but it sucks getting scored on at the end there to get it and then give it back but it made for a much more enjoyable through. Yes. It was crazy. It was for me. Yeah, it was a very good game. It was a very good game good game to watch. Yes. Yeah, not not so much from you know, a full team perspective from where you live or even or even a true hockey lovers perspective cuz like if you look at some of those goals, those are not great, but very exciting to watch. Yep. It's I'm still going to home say that I really wish we had just lost the game and I would have felt a little bit better than I do. Now it just a little bit of a downer that we had the lead and we gave it up and you know Iraq Thought we were going to get there are magic number is 5 and I really thought we were going to get there when we have goals. We were up for three. We were at Four 3 and I thought oh we can just get the empty-netter and there we go. There's our magic number, but it just it just didn't seem to happen tonight, unfortunately and this team. It almost looks like they're in a middle of a transition like a philosophy change during the playoffs. I mean, they scored four goals tonight and lost scored four goals and lost how many times could we have said that during the regular season and especially when Jim Montgomery was still here. It once it's only one I can think of. Yeah, I think it happened a grand total like two or three times. I'm thinking of there was one Minnesota game. There was the Edmonton game that we got into an offensive shootout. But you know, if if you're right bonus, what do you think your reaction would be to this game? We haven't seen the press conference yet. So I think this would be a good question to ask ourselves. Well, I don't think it's so much of a philosophy change as it is the stars are just finding ways to win hockey game. I think they're just they've just gotten a lot better at winning and becoming resilient and finding ways to answer and games like this. So like last game we see a great Stars game, we hold the two goals took down their power play pretty much except for the tooth they had other than that we bought the other stuff which is actually lowers Colorado's power-play percentage, which is nuts, but we were played better than five on phone number. which is our identity where the best five-on-five team in the NHL is what we think and I think the bigger scoring games has just been hockey toughness and it's just been guys trying to come back. So I think bones is fine with the answer that we had. I think the real problems night was the defensive Thursday. We on those last two goals, especially you can see back checking was not good. There was not real defensive effort effort to me scared by McKennan sometimes into making bad defensive plays but yeah little frustrating defensively tonight. Yeah in I'm starting to notice those more those automated rushes the two and ones at 3 on Tuesday just seemed those are starting to become a little bit more prevalent, especially as know oleksiak gets a little bit even more comfortable than what he's been doing. I mean, he looks like I'm getting sometimes driving the puck in the way he has, you know, honestly if I'm Rick bowness, I'll agree with you in that I liked the response from our Group when we when we made it for 3, but once you get to that point, you can't let those odd-man rushes go you can't and especially when you win one of the two guys that's going the opposite way is freaking Nathan MacKinnon. And then the other guy is Mikko rantanen who can finish the puck like nobody's business. So I mean, I don't know what else to do. I don't know what else you would say right there. Yeah. Sorry just have to be more structured and their defense is what it comes down to in this game. Like if they're scoring five five goals on us, that's not a good storage game and I feel a little bit better about this game and it's mostly because we're up to we were up to nothing. He's absolutely makes it lost feel much better. So if if this had been like down to one in the series and we had the opportunity to go and take the lead in the series to one that would be a little bit of a different story. But we also knew that the stars were not going to win every single game. On the way to the cup or anything like that. We were not going to sweep the Stanley Cup favorites right? See I have two highly potent offense. Even if we are playing a good defensive game if all the apps players are playing into their full ability. They're still game or five goals and there's nothing we can do about it. Well, and then what we're going to have to do is we're going to have to respond with a better way than we responded within the second. Was one of our one of our talking points. We will just go ahead and jump to that be since we're kind of on that neither team really played a full sixty minutes tonight or Starz worst. Was the second. And that's when they were just blowing by us and we just looked a step slow even in the first. A little bit. I felt I don't know about you but I I don't I like I tweeted out on the sarcastic remarks page. So like I want to know who said what in the second intermission to get those stars going cuz Came out in the third and like they came out and they knew they had a power-play which by the way that that hit at the end of the second. Bye JG Comfort was a bunch of crap. That was like a good gross second or two late and he knew it. So anyways, but I want to know what was said in that dressing room and who said it because whoever said it needs to continue doing that and well that show me the the the veterans we have on this team, right? So that that's not the first time we've seen this looks like the fourth or fifth time. We've seen it in the playoffs so far the starts coming out after a break and really showing that they're going to make a statement. It's it's been pretty great. I think it's really due to the top three guys. We have and pavelski and Corey Perry and just all the playoff experience we have it's really really good to have that finally pay off those paychecks. And I don't know if you've been searching around the internet or anything like that. But the athletic actually has a diary of such for Jason Dickinson and Jake and Jason Dickinson actually came out and on one of his, you know weekly posts that he made to the athletic while he's lived in the bubble. He talked about that the ban who kind of started the stars getting going was none other than Jamie Benn. and you know, I can totally see that and I mean we better see that because that's part of his job as the captain and you know, there's still some bandwagon fans suck some not as crazy fans as you and I are that are calling for his see and like give it to pavelski and I'm like Pulaski Pulaski is more than capable of being a captain but he does not know the Stars organization. He was not drafted by the Stars. He has not been there for years like Jamie Benn has and Jamie Benn wage has fully proven that he is more than capable of being the captain of this team and I am so sick and tired of people saying strip to see strip to see and I'm like just shut off. Yeah. This guy had a goal and assisted a he led the stars in I'll be honest. He did not play well in that first series he played average but that first game in this series he came out and he led the Stars. He led the Stars along with him and say going and rachal if they came out just like you were saying they should have it. If you haven't watched this team in the last five seasons, like I don't think there's any reason for you to be saying anything like that cuz if you have been you wouldn't be saying that Ben has been I think the best captain since this is Brandon Morrow he's been dead. Amazing leader on the ice showing up in big places changing tides of games when they need to and stepping up taking fights putting guys on their butts being a pest sometimes even when he's can't score which is what he did against the in Calgary and the catch up game. He realized he wasn't for the puck in the net who'd is fine and used his for himself and other places. So that's that's just kind of a foolish thing to say honestly in regards to the Stars Jamie Benn is one of the best captains in the league and if you can't see it, then you're not looking very hard. All right stats that stood out tonight. One of the biggest ones that sit out to me and we're not going to go over every single one of them cuz we'd be here for like 3 hours and we're not going to do that. It's one it's technically 1:00 in the morning here in Texas. So but the one that stood out to me the most was the Faceoff percentage and you know, I've noticed a trend even when the stars have been winning and so it didn't really bother me that much but the faceoff percentage tonight was almost 60% for the ABS. So 57.7 for the ABS and then for the Stars 42.3 very low that is extremely you know, it doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal for those of you that are not huge stats people with the Stars but in all reality if you're 55% or higher that is be incredibly good that is a dream that's dominating the. And we didn't dominate the. Today and you know, maybe that's one of the things we need to get back to we need to fix them can seem like not a big deal sometimes but like Monty said before he left the team the faceoff is the first Puck battle. That's a puck battle that's always going to happen. So it really shows some resilience whenever you're a good dog. Self team cuz you can learn to become a good Faceoff man. Like same thing when people say all that guy's just a run-and-gun forward. He's no good. You can you can learn defense just like you can learn Faith offs. So the faceoff really just shows how much guys are working for Puck battles. And I think I think that hasn't really been a focus for the Stars this postseason and hopefully that changes cuz it's it's took possession change is what it is. You're giving them the puck when you could be having it, which is not good for a very high position team. Well, I mean Sagan was that 50% tonight, which she's normally hire pavelski was at 50% tonight Fox was at 50% tonight, which that's very weird. Those are our top box is not in the green well and then you know that the typical you know hints is not great in the face off. So he's he was at 33.3% off tonight. It's typically and then and then Jamie Benn was not very good and the. Tonight he was thirty seven point five. So lots of it there's yeah. So a lot of the guys that we typically see that take those big faceoffs that normally when those face-offs did not do that tonight. Yeah Fox is taking Infidel scared normally at least two points in the green. So seeing them just even as very knowledge, you know, and I'll just mention this tonight. There is at least three or four different times when I would was just like Drop the dang Puck the the linesman just kept holding on to it and there were several times at vaux. I got kicked out of the faceoff. And was like dude just drop the puck. Yeah drop the puck. I'm thinking something was said to them dirt said to the referees during the between games because it does seem like they've been kicking people out for a lot more. Ticky. Tacky things in the face off. So that's been kind of frustrating. Well and one of the things they mentioned in the NBCSN broadcasts was how picky they're being about hacking on the hands, especially like slashing even if it's just like a little bit. They're like immediately calling it so man. It's there's just a several things that if we had just done a couple of things differently we would have won this game and we'd be up three nothing. Yeah, so I have a stat this time. So I'm bringing my stead of Grace has the stats page. Normally McKinnon has 23.06 minutes of ice-time 23 minutes for a forward that is just insane. The only two people on the Colorado Avalanche are the are there top defensive pair who only have one minute more at 24 minutes m is playing almost half the game as a forward that is insane that to put that in even more perspective. No stars forward has over 15 minutes. Every stars for it is below 18 minutes ice-time Nathan MacKinnon 23. That is insane. The first line is pulling almost all the time for, Colorado. Yeah, and and you gotta think over the course of a series that's gotta pay for them. I don't think there's any way any way for three or four words to cuz it's their whole Top Line to not not as much for the other guys weekend. It's the last three more three more minutes than his Wingers, but that's like another six extra shifts. Yeah. Yeah so that so I feel like that's gotta suck to have to they're going to pay for that later in the series. I've got to think I don't think there's any way we can it can keep up with that pace. But goodness. Well, he's he's not old. He's not old. He's in the prime of his career right now. So but still 23 minutes as a Ford is on heard like Stars players aren't close not even anywhere near yeah, that's that's crazy to me. Yeah, but when you've got that one of the best players on the planet and Nathan MacKinnon you do that and you see it. Yeah, it makes sense when he's so good. But I feel like I don't know if you can keep it up. I mean I obviously dead. And because they're doing it but I mean you see it with Connor McDavid and Leon draisaitl and Edmonton all the time all the time those two guys consistently have them at least at the very least 19 minutes of ice-time every single game when they play in Connor McDavid. There's one time I literally saw he played 25 minutes of a 60-minute game. It's ridiculous. Yeah, and we'll keep talking about Nathan MacKinnon, even though he said he didn't want to hear him more on the embassy rebroadcast is much better just talked about so it had to have told them because it was so crazy not game to it was it was not. Well, they didn't even have to they didn't even have to have anybody tell them they had to do was go to Twitter it go look and look at all the monsters sold because I know stars because we're complaining about it a lot but even some casual fans were saying, okay, like I saw a fans from other genes that just watching the game casually and they're like, okay, why are they praising me couldn't every every time there's a punk rock break. Yeah. So that was home is but glad they changed it. Yeah. So how do we shut them down? Cuz honestly it looks like the only one that can really keep up with him is Mira. Hey second and based off of that last play against I think it was ranting in it was either raising their latest dog. And you know, some people will I'm sure there will be some people that say it was like a dirty hit and and stuff like that and you know, it was disgusting all that, but honestly, I see it more as an unfortunate thing rather than you know him purposely trying to hurt. Hey skin and he's getting was going fast and off when you're when you're Galloping up at your full speed like hey scanning can do things like that can happen and I don't think it was a dirty hit but I'm either I think it was bull crap. I think there's no way the stars do that and don't get a penalty in this game because it was a full-on two-handed firm grip shoved to the back of the back bottom of the numbers. There's no that that leads to this the goal the scoring chance. It leads to Avalanche possession. There's no way that that should not be called that's got to be a penalty is a penalty everytime. They're it. That was ridiculous super frustrating. There's no reason it shouldn't be called. It was dumb terrible play. Luckily. He's going to look hurt. He was out his back out there afterwards. So and even if he was hurt, he would keep playing he would be hurt not injured, but that that if you would look closely at the injuries, well, I can't even call it injury if you if you look close at the clip. It looks bad. It looks something was better than the e or something. Oh, yeah, it was a bad hit fascist wage. And and that's when I I saw like the flash of our season before my eyes. I'm like, oh, please. No, please. No, please. No, please. Yes, please now and I said that like about fifty times and finally Amanda. Yep. Why for those of you listening but just like Ryan shut up. Just trying to shut up. He'll be fine. Yeah losing John's in Hasting and would not be a thing that I think would we could retire from but luckily I'm still only twenty finally I think right. Is he 20 21? He's Twenty-One. Yeah, he's young. So he's good. Even if he's hurt. He's still going to play. So yeah, I don't think we would survive without him. That's one player that you know, he's our MVP for the season so far him or heard open and if we lose one of those two guys, it's it's going to be really bad. I look at my list of other stuff. We were we were going to talk about. Oh, the one thing we haven't mentioned was the play of Dobby tonight. So, you know, we can't expect him to be super star like he has been the past, you know six games or however, he however long he's been in so, you know golf East are going to have enough game every once awhile, but especially at home Ethical from Colorado that's a hard thing to make. Yeah, that one I really Cebu hard. That was a great goal. It was a beautiful tip. There's not anything we can do about that one. But the other goals of the game, especially in the second. I'm not saying that they're easy saves and you didn't let up a bad goal, but there were some savable shots is what I'm saying. So I'm not saying he played bad but he didn't play a great game. He didn't make a big save. He wasn't really a factor in this game is what I'm saying as opposed to the other games where he definitely was game. Why don't you Toby is definitely a factor those games that we don't win the game without him. But this game we don't lose the game because of Dobby, but obviously we don't win the game because of them either so so I'm going to disagree with you a little bit there in June 1st. I really thought that he was delivering what he's been doing for the past five games on this five-game winning streak in the playoffs which was cut short tonight wage. but the the difference about it was is we took advantage of how he played in the first period in game two. So in game two, he saved us completely. I mean obviously he was the main reason why we won that game cuz we he kept us in close enough to where we were going to go get that magic number five. And that's the only reason why we won the game. I I really think the only reason why this game was even close even from the very beginning from the first. Is because if it's playing and I'll disagree with you again. There's I feel there is I can't tell you I'll have to go back and look and maybe I'll tweet about him later but there is at least two or three huge chances that he that he came out and he was like come on in the whites. He was she wasn't even in his crease where he came out to, you know challenge whoever was shooting shooting the puck and he made a great stop on that first one and then on the second one he You saved his own rebound and he was way out of his crease. So I only remember seeing one good save throughout the game and it's not anything else is David, but we also sell stuff before this game that Ben Bishop with skating again. So I think if Ben is a hundred percent by next game, I think you put them back in at this point. Now I think going into this game, I would say no way he's been playing so great but have been Bishop it's hundred percent. I would say put put your ride-or-die back in so I know everyone's going to disagree with me on that but I think Ben Bishop is like dead people know I'm over rating him, but I think he's like, what are the top three goaltenders in the league just because of how good a positioning it he hasn't how big he is. So I like to see him back in, he's going to be a hundred percent yet even probably till the end of the series but If I was if I was the skipper of the Stars, I'm putting my big guy back in Skipper. I like that. That's a good word to use again. He'll disagree with you. I got to go with my man who has given in game for what is it game four or five back-to-back or is five and six back four and five or back-to-back. So so either way if Bishop is ready to play em, we'll see him one of those games and we'll see you then the other of those games, I believe that's true. I I truly believe this I think you give him one more shot the way he's I mean, this is his time to shine 8035. He's played incredible to this point for the stars and honestly, I don't the the five goals that he gave up. I don't fully put it on him. I really don't I mean I don't I don't fully put any of them on him, but I feel like the defense. I think it was a good topic was definitely a problem this game, but I think A big save would have gone a long way in this game is all I'm saving saying at the end or even a second. Yeah, lots of goalie stuff right now. There's too many goalies off happening, but when I'm saving, but anyway, what I'm saving is that a big saved would have helped in the second. Or near the end of the 3rd. And it would I think would have changed the game didn't happen this game like it did the other games at fortunately. Yeah, I agree. Bishop we need your man at least need to get back that's going to suck cuz I don't think there's any way or get seek ottinger gets in and it's not and it's because it's it's because of him right? I'm sure he's a good goalie the playoffs. We're not going to put a rookie into a playoff game. Skip five goals scored ottoman then ruin his career that that's what would happen. Right? I think we put on a grin there unless we are down by four goals and hobbies like bleeding on the ice or something. Well, that's what they did with Boston today. You see the score in the Boston game was 721 that today. Yeah tip of a slaughtered him. And what's his name valid are who is the new back up right now? Cuz Rask isn't there he went in the fourth goal that Tampa Bay scored and let let in three of his own. So that's a that's a rough not is it going to start your NHL career? Well, and honestly, I don't know if he's dead. If he's played in an NHL game, I have no idea. I've never heard of this guy. Probably not just because you've got Raskin. Yeah Rascal lock. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's just like a hoot open in Bishop, you know, it's the same thing that third goalie is probably not going to have a whole bunch of playing time. So, all right. Well, I think we've had pretty much everything we wanted to talk about if any of you guys have anything that you want us to talk about just let us know you can email us at Starbucks Astic remarks at gmail email. I know as our socials. I know there's old people in this probably old people listening to this and have it yet dead. We should have him on next time cuz he's you know, he's he's got a lot of good opinions that are better than ours. I think so, he's old now he's old, but he he's probably one that would email the question. Yeah, I saw it and talk about this. All right. Terrible. I know it's 1:15 in the morning. 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#360 NHL Playoffs Round 2 Recap & Current Events ft. Austin Cram
"All right, you ready? I'm going to do a loud intro, you good? I've never done the intro this way. Oh my goodness, good morning. Good afternoon, whatever this for you. My name is extremely. This is strong opinion. Sports package, should be Austin's next to me. Hello, Austin. Hello. This should be episode 360 because I'm actually after this recording episode 359 and then putting them out in reverse order cuz I'm a madman and I'm going to page three episodes in one night and only two but still how are you? How are you my friend Zack? I'm well, how are you? I am so good. I am as you are too tired. We both run businesses now which seems like a lot of extra hell. But I'm I'm just glad to talk about hockey with a good friend and talk about round two. I think what I'd like to do though, if we met its start with what's currently happening like literally cuz tonight we're recording Tuesday, this will probably come up Wednesday tonight. The Tampa Bay Lightning beat the New York Islanders forwarded to their series aside 121 dead. And then the golden knights last night, Monday night beat the Montreal Canadiens. So Vegas leads that series one nothing and they're playing. I think it's called the semifinals to play to get into the Stanley Cup Final. That's correct. Yes, usually this would be the Conference Finals as it is in most sports that have conferences which is like all of them over here. Yeah, because of the month again we talked about it a lot because of the way the kovacic shifted, the the season format we are currently in the Stanley Cup semi-finals. As opposed to the Conference Finals. It's a small name. Change means the same thing. It's the third round. It's the last one. Before the Cup Final. It's all the same deal, but we are in the Stanley Cup semi-final. So, I have a couple of questions about current events and we'll go backwards around 2 cuz I, I, I can't, I can't wait to hear your thoughts on round two and some of the, there's a big surprise people know what if they know it if, you know, you know. But first of all, I'm curious. Do you have any thoughts about Tampa, Bay and dead? The Islanders and their Series so far. Others are a good team and you know, it's, it's you start out you look at the series and it's, it's hard to bet against Tampa at this point after it will get into it. But at this point you think it's smart money. On anything against anything. I say at this point after round two, I go 131 for, for calling those Series. So who knows why I'm even here? But seriously, I mean Tampa on paper as they often the better team, New York, showed up in game 1 in the mouth look good. They were opportunistic as they always are and, you know, and and they and they and the ground out a 2-1 win this month. It was different today. The lightning big guns. Had it going a little bit more Nikita, kucherov, who we've talked about is, you know, his whole the way that his Seasons gone, the, the cap circumvention that he was kind of the center figure of he comes in today and not just three assists in a very impressive game. They get balanced scoring to get a couple of girls from defenseman. A couple of girls from their Ford's. Brayden point is leading the playoffs wage. Kendall's right now, he's playing out of his mind, things are working. For example, now, it's on. I mean, it's it's on the island is Now to respond. They've done a good job of that page. If I was going to pick a team to be able to do that to the island, or to the lightning rod that you might be the Islanders because of who they have personnel-wise, and who they have is a coach, Barry trotz is, no stranger to aging. Defense has, he's no stranger to being around high-powered offenses. He ran one for a very long time in Washington. He knows what makes guys like that tick. So I think it's a fun series. Either way, I think that Tampa is it but again who knows where that goes, it's the NHL playoffs crazy stuff happens but I'd be really surprised if this thing goes less than six or seven one six. The last time, these two teams met in a in a, in a playoff series I believe was the last time I think it was six and I in the Islanders, I think are better. The lightning you could say are too, but I think the owners are better. And I think that we see a nice long series and it's going to be fun no matter what. I got a meaningless thoughts. I got a lot of friends back in New York that are big Islanders fans. They're all from Long Island, so it would be cool to hear them like happy if their team Advanced to the Stanley Cup finals. The other thought is and this, another secondary, meaning of my favorite podcast is a video game podcast. I don't listen to sports content, actually at all, but a guy named Colin Moriarty. I, he loves the New York Islanders. So if, if he got, I kind of want the moment of him, talking about his team going to a potentially winning a Stanley Cup Final. Like that'd be kind of cool to hear on my favorite podcast Sports get mentioned cuz I know I'll throw that in there at some point, but other than that man, I don't have a lot of thoughts are but I do want to now shift to the golden knights, beating the Canadians 421 Vegas. I lead to Serious one to nothing they beat. I mean, we'll get into it may be dead. Aged do you believe? I mean, the golden knights and my from outside looking in should be the favored to win that series, am I right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I would say that they're more of a favor birth. You know, then Winnipeg was and I really had faith in Winnipeg to have to take care of the Canadians. Will talk about that. I think that, I think that this is where we see whether it's like March Madness or whether it's an eight seed in, you know, in hockey, in previous years, we've seen it or it's just, it's that, that, that tough gritty fun team that's makes the Cinderella run. Most of the time, the overwhelming majority of the time that clock strikes midnight, and it just seems like this is going to be the time where the style of play the great goaltending you just isn't going to quite be enough for Montreal. I just have to overnight, I think that Vegas. I've said it a lot with Vegas, specifically, and I'll talk about it again more. This is an incredibly experienced postseason team. This is the thing that knows how to win into the spring. And that's so, so valuable in hockey, specifically, and it's, you know, this, it's, it's tough to get over that when you, when you match that with this, what I think is superior Talent up and down the board and that's not a knock off. Well, because they've had a phenomenal postseason. He made it farther than anyone. Thought they were going to. So all hats off to them. I just think they've run into it seemed, that's too tough. It's and eventually, the talent is going to win out. The experience is going to win out what to do with the ice is going to win out. And I think that's where we are with with this series and for one in the first game exemplifies that I don't expect Montreal to just Turtle, you know, you make it this far into the season, you got your team that has a lot of heart but again, it's just it's tough for me to see how the Canadians spirit and gritty style of play wins out here. So I got two questions left out, like the current events and I'm going to call them the Conference Finals. I hate the the semi-finals cuz I never know. Mike, what does that mean? People I say like semi and quarter and I'm like I can't and my head wrapped around hate all that stuff like that. For a fact, the math based on just one because they treat the pennant like the stent like or like what else? Are you have? Two championship series and you're like it's like wait no. This is like they really care about leagues the American League. The nationally we're not here to talk about baseball dog. Funny things that I've noticed. But yeah well we can go on and on about the baseball. Oh my God. The the amazing sport that they refused to do anything positive for in ruin. Oh my gosh. I I love the sport of baseball game. It's run and I'll say that for until they fix it, which probably never will happen in our lifetime. Unfortunately, not doing this commission, I fear. But yeah, no. So conference we call a Conference finals for the sake of, for, for brevity Prosperity, Ridge the game to get to the championship. So, I'm curious, first of all, of the 14 slapped, you have the lightning, the Islanders, the golden knights, and the Canadians, who do you often want? Like, do you have a team you're rooting for that? You want to see when the Stanley Cup Final. Oh man, you know what? If in terms of like the Canadians are obviously like the the the Cinderella like that's the one you want to see your price to do to earn that ring? You know, there's we stared Bryce Carey Price's the tire pressure for the for the Montreal Canadiens. He's a forgot about Hall of Famer. He's arguably the best goaltender of his generation. And he's a phenomenal player and Montreal's made some runs with him, but they just haven't quite been able to get all the way there and he's one of those guys where he's been there for so long. He's been such a phenomenal player, he's the kind of guy you want to see win one and, you know, and and that hasn't that hasn't been been there that reality yet. So if I had to choose probably them, after that, it would be the, it would be the Islanders. I think the birth of likable guys. Mathew barzal, who is their young phenomenal amazing. Talented player actually played his Junior Hockey here in Seattle. So he's kind of a, he's a local Club. I play for the Seattle Thunderbirds in the Western Hockey League. He's awesome. And I just I I personally like the way that a lot of those guys play, you know, Brock Nelson again, barzel. The guys that you wouldn't have necessarily a part of the Anthony beauvillier is the world. Nicoletti, these are guys that I just that, are that come to work. They play hard. And you want to see this kind of guys went, so I think those, we might have two teams that I would want to win the money if you did Power Rankings. Would the Canadians. Be the fourth-best team right now left? I would say so, yeah, how come It's a talent thing, it really is, it's just like these when you get this far in and make a good players, like this isn't to say that like Montreal sucks or anything professionals they're professionals and you make it to one of your you. One of the best. You one of the last five teams in the, in the postseason, you're clearly not a bad team. So I don't mean nothing that I say is, is in a vacuum. It's, it's relative to the surrounding talent and Montreal just isn't again. I'm not quite sure yet, whether it's the players on the ice, whether it's the coaching, whether it's the way that they are not quite able to compete with these, you know, oppression. I mean, they went 2421 and 11:00 and the regular season. Life's not. It's not that good. That's yeah, fine. But it's your you you have a 56, some James sample size and it's you know you're barely above 500 that says wage needs to say about you as a team and they can no shade of them. They've made a great run so far. I just don't know how far it goes for them. I'm a football guy and I always, I have a hard time not comparing everything into football and the Montreal Canadians are my name. Of if they somehow did win the Stanley Cup Final. It would be similar to when the New York Giants years ago had like, they were like a wild-card team, the 6th ranked team in the in the playoffs they came and beat the New England Patriots when the Patriots are undefeated like super unexpected. A team, that was barely right around, 500 that overcame all the odds and made at the end. And one at the end, that sounds like a kind of a similar thing with the Canadians that bracket. Yeah. The team that I immediately come to would be that twenty. This might not be like the most apt comparison. Everybody's fear, that, that 2010 Seahawks team with the B Squad. Yeah. And that was all heart and their nose in a wild-card game and the one by 5 and again, it's not a series. And if you run that back in New Orleans and and when I was eleven and five that year in Seattle, um, you know, New Orleans, probably wins that game more and it's one game not a seven-game set. So there's some inherent kind of variability there. But that's who I'd almost compare them to. It's like this is a really fun team. It's they got a lot of heart. They really, really want it so bad and they've got guys who deserved to win it, but eventually it just doesn't quite you know, you can't quite do it off the way to remember how our Seattle made it in that postseason. I know, they Walk to Remember game, I don't know if they lost the next game. I'll never forget that run. Then that's the impactful play, right? I mean that's the one. It was, it was a high scoring game too. It was like a crazy high octane crazy high scoring game but it's always. But that run is the one that you always think of, I know it's a hockey practice, but it's funny to actually look back at the Saints losses in the playoffs, like the Beast Quake, the the no-call against the ran that crazy play by Stefon Diggs. The, you know, it's like year after a year, that Earnhardt, breaking weird, memorable losses. Like, that's kind of unbelievable. And they've got like the losses come in in fashions that are super like repeatable. So for like the software, like the the Seahawks game, it's based off and then for the, the stuff on display, it's that iconic. Joe Buck, you know, digs sideline touchdown. Yes, it's super memorable in the way that they lose stage. If they didn't have faith in the one they did, I think that Saints fans would be, it would be, would have a lot different outlook on life, but they got, they got that one. So, you know, it is what it is. But yeah, we're talking football now. But let's so I have I want wage. Thumbtack in the Canadians cuz I want to walk Circle back to them immediately after this next question but I do want to ship to the next question which I asked you know, which team would you like to see when the same like a final but I'm curious is their team. You think will win? Is there like a favorite? You have, you know, at this point I'd probably lean Vegas just because I think that I think that Tampa is actually like play off your roster Frost. I think the Tampa is actually the better team slightly their goaltending a lot better which is yeah, you know, seven games or four, you know? But best in for if you can get a goalie, still your gamer, to that's a lot better wage is actually better roster, but I think the Islanders are going to give them a series and I think that the the nights are going to are going to I don't want to say briefs that's disrespectful but they're going to not have as difficult time with the Canadians and I think there's that middle ground sack where People talk about it. A lot. If you almost win too fast that you have like a week off and then it's, you know, you're Rusty worse than goes with wins and 7 and it's clicking. I think it's like that sometimes it's like that for some sports but when hockey, when you play the super condensed Jewel, the games as physical as it is already both. These teams have played a bunch of overtime games. I think that this this series that Tampa is going to see from the Highlanders, which I didn't go six or seven games and going to be six or seven tough games. I think is going to do more to erode physically, mentally, whatever? Yeah. The Islanders, then I think Vegas will go through. So I think that makes sense and pressure and I think that's why I think, I think it's those two teams. I think Tampa wins. They're serious. I think biggest ones. There's I think we saw those two teams in the final. I think that Vegas being able to come in fresher is going to be the difference. You might not see it, immediately is what I'm going to say, you know. I don't think you're going to look at game like, well, look, he was right Vegas his way fresher. It's one of those things where in like game five or six if we go to overtime, one guy just is like a step slow or the goalie just isn't quite dead. Going to be something weird and something small as my take on it. That you know, that trickles into meaning more in that series. And I think it's, I think fatigue is gonna have a lot to do with it, but that's just me without a conference Championship game covid-19. Regular season record so. So that's the receipt happened. That's the way that the, the matchups went the way that they did and I would, I would then assume that the ad, the golden knights had the best record and therefore, they're the ones in the Canadians with a four-seat. Exactly. And have the worst record there were the floor and then the, the aisles and the bolts were two and three got it through, I guess respectively. Yeah. Let's talk about Canada because I took the Canadians. I want to say it's funny to like talk about an interesting manner up. Yeah, maple syrup to knees, colorful money, we can talk about all. Yeah, there's so many lakes. It's like the Midwest, like, but it's just. All right, I guess for me, my my impression of Canada is it's Wisconsin and Minnesota, but like stretched coast to coast and North because there's so many ads, so, generalized. But I know a little bit about Quebec. Quebec how many lakes there are any way. I'm so sorry. Not get sidetracked, I like that. I like the free-flowing nature. How did the Montreal Canadiens? Not just beat the Winnipeg Jets but sweep them in four games. I'm like that's I I thought minimum were playing Connor hellebuyck, this great goalie. They're going to win one game. I never saw a sweet coming here. How did that happen? I sat watching these games and I'm in a group chat with a couple of really good friends of mine, who are lifelong hockey fans more. So, I mean I I picked up this sport less than ten years ago. And these are guys that I watched 4 a.m., and we're sitting here just pouring over how this series went, the way it did, because like we gotta be real about it. Like Winnipeg started again and I there's people that have responded to me saying the Connor hellebuyck is the best early on Earth and they disagree with me. I'm going to hold strong on my stance, despite how the series went Winnipeg's. Not have phenomenal team. Their defense is quite average. It's very pedestrian. Didn't get the, the proverbial run support that that you need and they give up a lot of high danger chances and you can look at this the stats back this up. I you know, you look at the raw, the raw box whereas you think Mac Book wasn't there, they gave up a tremendous amount of of high danger chances to to Montreal, Montreal lead, all around. There are eight teams and round two. Montreal LED all teams by an overwhelmingly huge, massive percent of high danger chances for of all high danger chances in a game, Montreal had 63% of them to hack into trance went to Montreal. It doesn't matter who's in that you could have any pick a goalie like it doesn't matter. It's hard to win games, it's hard to win games. When this defense is giving up that many goals and when and then if if you're gonna do that, if you're going to say fine, we're just going to turn this into a track meet, you better be scoring goals and they didn't really do that. Either want to defend Connor hellebuyck Sports at six goals, like, oh yeah. He shut down the Gaithers and that, I mean, do you remember when you shut the car never gave? It's like that. It's not like he's bad but he can't control. What happens in front of him, the goal, he can't control the defense in front of him and how many opportunities come his way that makes sense. Yeah exactly. I mean there was it was and it was a third, this is not a series I think that you can boil down to luck and when it comes to luck I have more on that in a different series at Salty's that right off. This is not a series I think that you can boil that you can boil down to like Winnipeg got outplayed, they're expected goals for were only eight, which is which is terrible frankly and Page perform that even in this word six they're expected goals-against was fourteen and that's what they gave up. I think hellebuyck pretty of stolen a gamer too. I mean maybe but like at what point do you start leaning on the one guy who literally can't play offense to win? You an entire game? Yes, you gotta score some goals. You gotta play as a team. You gotta go out there and you gotta do better and I thought he played fine. Hellebuyck did I really did I? Well I don't know what you do. I think I thought Winnipeg just was flat. I thought they stopped playing. They didn't get high danger chances, they didn't even really get any chances. Frankly, I was looking through the entire postseason and heading into heading home is leaving around to Connor. Hellebuyck was the only goalie in the postseason. To not allow a goal on a low danger chance or a medium danger chance. He was literally only letting goals and then the team just collapsed on. Wow, that's unbelievable. It's like what do you do? Like, what are you gotta do? That's that's the question. I would pose what he and if if he's in the locker room, he and I'm sure, you know, how long until about talk you seems like he's a great guy to like he's a team guy, but I know that when he's, you know what, he's at home playing golf not in the postseason right now. He's gotta be thinking what I gotta do. Yeah. But I remember the first time, I remember the first time we talked hockey, whether whether it was you or anything, she'll don't remember. But I remember being introduced to kind of hello book and talking to you about the notion that and you said at something. They're going to renew a a point where they can't be carried by Connor hellebuyck. Any more like at some point points is going to end. Yep. Then that's this is precisely where it end game. One of the series is where it ended. Yeah, you need help me strategy for the and and and and conversely to like I don't want this to be like a. I've spent a lot of time pooh-poohing Montreal and that's totally not what I want to do. Because Keira price again, the goaltender for the Montreal Canadiens, he's been out of his mind, he's played tremendously. So I don't want to say Winnipeg only scored six goals, why you gotta be better, carry price had a lot to do with that, that Montreal team to do with that. They came in with a game plan. They clearly were better in that series. They knew what they want to do, they had an identity, they showed up and that's what it takes, you know, in here. Everybody's everybody in the National Hockey, League is is an amazing hockey player. You gotta show up. You gotta work hard, you gotta do your job and Montrose, do a better job of that, and it hadn't translated to great success, over for games. And it never looked. I mean dispatch. You know it ended only 20 goals were stored in that series. I guess over four games, it's kind of a lot but it was 14 to 6 and goal differential over the series and it didn't even seem that close. It's just yeah winnipeggers didn't want to be there. I don't I don't get it. Why I appreciate you giving cuz it's really easy to focus on one team and not the other. I appreciate you giving some also respect and some praise to Montreal for their efforts to. I do want to ask you, you mentioned, you kind of give a tease about stealing lot less our luck. Thank you. It was. I knew there was something you mentioned. I'm like, well I got asked about that girl. Who got lucky what happened there? So, that would require transition. We'll head over to the, the Islanders Boston series. And I actually mentioned at the, at the end of our last show, I believe it was that I felt Boston was going to win because I think that the Islanders were wage um, subjects while being a great team who have talked, a lot of talk positively a lot about, I think they were the beneficiaries of some luck come in there, first, run series. And I think that continued actually, I, I despite their win. You look at statistics. So there's a stat, there's people are probably to be tired of me, mentioning all these like crazy, like acronyms and stuff. But there's this, there's this set. The statistical PDO PDO means nothing the letters PDL, they're literally meaningless why they choose PDO that, you know, it's it's, it was a, it was like a guy on a Counter-Strike Forum, of course, in his username had something to do with the letters, p d o, and he comes up with this formula and this in this crazy formula, it's not that crazy at all. Is literally just the summer. Of your like it's some of shots and and saves in a percentage. So basically what it does is it ends up being even because every it's every it's even strength. So it's 515 only and it's the summer of a team shooting percentage so shops that turn into goals and it's save percentage shots on goal that are saved God. Every goal that has scored in the NHL has an effect on shooting percentage for one team in a save percentage for the other. It's always going to come out to 100 because every shot was not a save and every say was not a goal right now with a sense. Yeah. So PDO attempts and it's not always great, but PDO attempts to measure luck, it says, okay. If if if the league average of every team's going to round out to to 100 or 1000 or however you do the math, it's going to be, you know, one essentially a team above 1 Might be a little bit lucky and they might not be right like again, it's not perfect. But the first thing you look at with PDO is if it's over one seems a little bit. Lucky if it's under one teams probably hitting some bad luck off, right? And then teams that are bad are going to be lower teams that are going to be hired. It's because good seems to make their own luck. Bad teams, can't do that, it goes on. Yeah. The Islanders led the eight teams in the playoffs and peed in their second-round series and because again, it's some evenly Boston had the lowest PDO. So that right there is a measure that you could say, well, in some way, the outer is own luck continued. They just for whatever reason managed to, to get a lot of bounces. They were opportunistic. That's kind of a kind of a calling card of that team as they're opportunistic abilities, and that's not a bad thing. That's not a lucky thing. That's what makes good good. Yeah. As I'm concerned, I didn't think the Boston, goal-tending was able to steal games, which is kind of what you need when it seems running hot like that Tuukka Rask. He's like the most controversial Bruin because half the half Off the half, the fans want him out always and half. The fans will die for the man. Yeah, so he's always gets k. A lot but he's especially in that situation, Boston, dominated possession. There's there's possession metrics in the NHL and, and the attempt to use shots and shot attempts to see who possess the puck more in meaningful, you know, in meaningful time, high-leverage situations Boston dominated. Boston, dominated possession metrics. They were statistically unlucky, their roster was incredible and again, I talked a lot of positive stuff about the Islanders in third grade team, didn't deserve to be, where they are in some way. But I don't think Zack, you can walk away from that series and it's for two aisles. And you think that you know wow for two, this is a better life. I'm not a Boston fan either like I don't I don't even really quickly like, Boston secretly. I don't care for him but I think there are better and I think during this series back four times, I think you see that but that said walk out to the Islanders, they did a great job, they're going to give Tampa Bay a tough series because again they play that opportunistic style that might show up on the stat sheet as being, you know, lucky I just went over it so I believe in it to some extent, but I think that's just kind of the way they play. They they, they take advantage of the chances to get getting those chances. You could, you know, argue come in Thursday in certain ways. That might not be always up there doing, but that's seeped into the weeds. And I don't want to get, I don't want to, I don't want to poo poo these teams too much. But I do I was going with regards to lock, is it seems like there's a lot here based on Boston's possessions based on York's just they're they're PDF stuff. There's there's a case to make here that the absolutist better team might not have one and I don't come away from the series thing, I know who the better team is necessarily. So that's not to say, hey Boston should have one cuz maybe I shouldn't have, but I just, I can't definitively say like usually came with a 4-2 Series. So that's that's up to you step back, and you go while Boston or these great numbers. But then you can PDO and go the Islanders got let. So I want to ask of a PTO because I'm curious is it Is it? It's a percentage of shots and percentage of saves and then kind of combining them. It's some. Yeah, so exactly. So the so it's if a team should and, and like a is it kind of like Point differential in the NBA where there's input and output of kind of, yeah, but it's more. So there's not really a great comparison because there's not like there's no concept outside of soccer. There's no concept of like saves. Like there's no one else like directly taking the the the points away in the same fashion what can be like passes defended. Maybe that's the thing that's even subjective, right? Sometimes. Yeah, the ball go over thrown, did it get defended? Like what happened? This is perhaps why? Because saves our yes, no. It's like you did say that, exactly but that but that yes no is what lends it to not being perfect because it lacks all context. He wants it lacks off, like I'm watching the game. This is what happened which is kind of the Opera the antithesis of what I tried to say with this, with this hellebuyck thing, the box store and what happened on the ice are such wildly different things in Georgia. Eyes. I'm a fairly experienced viewer of this game. I like to think it's a very different thing. So I, you know, and and that's kind of what I mentioned. This, this group of buddies that I talked to really, I think and we came to this page us that it was like a come-to-jesus moment for me cuz I've I I love Advanced analytics and sports. I love math and sports. I Love Money Ball. I love all the stuff off, and that's okay. I get why I get like someone wouldn't, but this is all stuff. I really like, and in a lot of sports baseball, especially basketball football to a lesser extent, you can kind of play games out on a spreadsheet and get a good idea what's going to happen. Sometimes? Yep, like, said baseball, especially I think that in the case of hockey, because of how the game is played because of the tempo because of the style of the game and because of where we are as an analytics Community within the sport, I don't think that you can look at these numbers and and make them predictive. I think you can make them like explanatory. Like I can tell a story, I can look at home and I can tell you, this is what happened. But after how this round two went, I don't think I could look at the stuff. I don't think I could only anybody could look at like, just the these numbers and tell you what's going to happen in a very great at explaining what happened. I think they're basically useless as in terms of telling you what will happen and that's why you gotta watch and that's what makes this fun, right? Yeah. That's was my crazy moment cuz I'm watching this month in a peg team that just so clearly should be better because of their goaltending and a little because their roster I think their roster actually is better, but they didn't really play like it, you know, in those four games which you know, what does that mean? I guess it asked, but yeah, it was crazy. Like it was, that's, that's the story. I kind of alluded to earlier. I'm sitting here watching these games and it's just like this crazy moment that I've had I've been into these Into these, these numbers since I started watching this game. So that's where my brain goes. When I, when I watch sports, it's like okay, well, how can we, you know, how can we put this? You know, how can we make this one's and zeros and I want to talk about. Yes, can't like, oh, this is such a chaotic game, you just, you can't do it. So that's like it's like, whoa. So this is just me on a soapbox now about this crazy, like Revelation that I had, but that's really where we're at. I think it's important if you listen to them as far as well, I try to be self-aware. People watch me and listen to me, mostly for football. And then I dabble in other stuff racing, and basketball and hockey yet. But I love sports in general, I cover everything, I can. I play quarterback in college and I hated when you throw an interception, which gives me a negative stat. When a guy ran the wrong route or the ball, bounced off, my receiver face masks up in the air got intercepted. I'm like, that's not my fault. Even though the stats would say it's not. And so my philosophy on the show was always been. Let's I always say numbers lie, but that's not true. It's simple numbers log. So, if you look at just the most basic numbers and say he had a lot of interceptions, he had a lot of, you know, this that doesn't necessarily tell the story but Advanced analytics usually a step further. I've just never taken that step into it, simple numbers line, like you said, but also I started cut you off. Oh yeah, simple numbers do lie. I think what lies even more than sometimes you look at, you know, like like baseball. If I'm looking at batting average and dudes hitting like 320 that's just a good player like sorry, you know, maybe maybe plays in Colorado, but that's just a good player, right? So simple numbers, don't always lie, I don't think, but they do a lot. What I think lies more simple. Numbers is numbers devoid of context and numbers devoid of like nuance and that's why I think that the analytics community in every sport gets what is a fair share of their own like hey I guess I'll say to put it kind of crass it's because a lot of these people do try to just play games on spreadsheets and doesn't work that way. And baseball is as close as we have in baseball just close. We're probably going to get and that's why baseball. I think is not doing so well. Did for a lot of other reasons and would now become a baseball hate podcast, cuz we mentioned it twice down like a half hour, but what else argue if I may though that? Yeah, baseball hockey, basketball, the sample size is way bigger. If you played 82 football games, then the stats wouldn't lie so much cuz it'd be very obvious. Oh, this guy's cuz it'd be more numbers and more opportunities. But when you look at one football game and you say he had interceptions and all for bounce off the receiver's helmet, then you go, that's actually in the one opportunity and that small sample size. It's a lie. So, the more games you play in the more opportunities, you have less the statistics do miss me. I'm sure I'm sure that there's, you know, I'm not sure if I've seen it publicly but I'm sure that there are. I mean, every team's got their own analytics Department. If if a if if you throw a perfect pass it bounces off the face. Masks gets picked off the forty-five yard line off. I'm sure there was a direct equation and a formula to tell you over infinite chances, how many points you're going to expect to allow as a result of that specific play happening. So it happens four times in a game and Thursday. Going to be some some of points. It's probably not small that's going to be. This is what happened because of that. Now it's not that quadrex fault at all if the bad news receivers face masks four times. But and but you make a good point about about variance because I think that, I think that football and basketball are, the two highest are are too. I don't want to say hi variance because they're not necessarily. But I think that when you have either a lot of scoring usually seen basketball or few games, which is what you see in football, you have a natural tendency to create something that's kind of high variance. Whereas you look at stuff like hockey and Thursday, I'm almost tripping over myself cuz you don't want to say hockey's High variance because it's not but there's it's it's more. Meaning. Highly defined High variance. What does that mean to you? Was a lot of variables? Yeah, it's game-to-game stuff's going to happen. Yeah. Typically it's thought of as games that are very high storing because or very sorry, very low scoring because the storing events happened. So they frequently all it takes a couple of weird things to happen for a result to change. It could be a one, nothing hockey game and the better team is winning and a couple of weird bounces to a certain way out to to one game and if you don't get that same luck on the other end. This game ended to 1 and the better team just lost where, as in like basketball, each team is going to get a hundred ten possessions. So the idea is over the course of those possessions, the better team is going to win out, but I think that because of the games pace and because of where that specific sport is now, the variance has increased to levels that it hasn't before and I think that, you know, I think. Yep. Just a weird place in general Sports analytics and what it means and with hockey's combination of speed and little scoring, you know, aspects and the on the flights changes and the fact that the game hasn't been super quick to adapt to this new way of looking at stuff, if we're in a weird place with analytics and hockey cuz we're not quite sure exactly what this stuff means. Is it prescriptive, is it descriptive? Or is it neither? Is it both? I don't, you know, we don't know, but we can watch the games and enjoy it. That's what I'm doing at this point. Well, here's the last thing I'll say about it cuz we've been talking about stats on for like ten minutes. But I, I remember sitting in college watching films, and my coach be like, that's a good decision. That's a good accurate throw, he dropped the ball, but me, I did my job, right? I get a plus even if the the outcome wasn't good, you can't just look at the outcome and thought that when Connor hellebuyck looked back at his last series and goes, watch his film. He goes, that's good. That's good, that's good. So you have to read between the stats kind of read between the lines, where the numbers might say you lost and you home. Got swept in four games but you say well and that's why Advanced analytics matter you you gave up know everything that was low risk and little what's the what's the word you use? Our low and medium daily low and medium wage. You stopped everything. It's only when you had no help and no shot, did you give up points? And then even when even when he did have no hope no shot, he's still making saves not all clearly, not enough, but he's Still Ballin Out. That's not the old adage with a goaltender. Is you need to make hat, you need to make all the saves. You should and half the ones. You shouldn't. If you can do that, you're going to put yourself in a good spot to win. Usually, that's fairly true, but I usually your team's going to score some goals and real page, decided they wouldn't do that anymore and usually half of those High danger chances. Still only means a few goals not a bunch so it's you know that's the adage. And that usually like I said that usually brings true. I think in in my experience watching you save all the ones you shouldn't have someone's, you shouldn't, you're putting your team in a good spot hellebuyck did that. I think and still wasn't wasn't in the position to do it. But because of the nature of the position cuz you're the goaltender because every month Thinks that if you give up, and there's always going to be contingent of fans that you give up. One goal, you suck. We need to trade you. It's the nature of how things grow, and it sucks for guys like that, who play out of their mind and are going to be met with, you know, criticism. Because Los 3 guys in front of them just stopped. I want to say the last thing. I think that advanced analytics absolutely have their place Brett kollmann is a football analyst, who uses Advanced analytics in an incredibly valuable way. And so we look at hockey the when you use Advanced analytics, which are not the basic Baseline stuff. There's a lot of value there that can be used to tell the story of what happened. So I am, I hope, you know, I've got no problem with you ever and I know you want you to use that stuff cuz it is valuable. I don't know how to use it, but I know you do. And so, I really think there's value there. That's and I want you to never shy away from it. Yeah, no. I refuse to, I think it's, it's, it's recently, it's part of, you know, recently in the latter hockey years. It's modern sports, I think. I think you're just denying it. If ya say that it's not and and again wage, You understand anybody's hesitancy for just like going all-in because I don't go all they. No one should ever go all in on this right again, like now he's got to get played but there's a spot for it but I think like I said, it's it's going to be more useful until we get better technology Puck tracking player, tracking really hard hitting stuff that we're starting to see in basketball a little bit until we get to that and baseball because adapter itself slow you can just you can chart everything. Yeah until we get to that point with hockey, it's going to be a more effective way to tell a past story than to predict the next one. Thousand favorite thing about the Islanders and the Bruins is that you have New York and Boston and you have New York playing their last run in their building. They play in. Yeah, we talked about that last last episode bow, like for them to be kind of, which Boston New York have become. There's a rivalry there between these two cities and if you talk to New Yorkers, they'll down and play to talk to boss and downplay it. But if you don't live in Boston or New York, Everyone perks up their ears a little bit when you hear, oh, the Red Sox the Yankees, oh, the Celtics and the Knicks, the Celtics and the Nets or, you know, the Islanders and the Bruins of me from the outside was like, oh it's awesome. Then you add the extra benefit of manage that final run in this building that violators play in, it helps when they're good. Let's yeah. And it's it's it's the final the final run you mentioned, red sox-yankees. And that felt like it was a rivalry that, you know, the best rivalry in sports and I wouldn't, I wouldn't describe it. That I think is true, but that's a rivalry that, you know, after the Red Sox, early 2000 success, when they weren't quite often they were and then as of late, when the Yankees haven't quite been what they were during this Red Sox, kind of recent foray into more success. It feels like this rivalry wasn't quite as important as it was like back in the day. It's one-sided. It's and it's not fun, right? It's just it's it doesn't matter if it's a local rivalry like between high schools or colleges or, you know, professional sports rivalry. The Rivalry is so much more intense than both teams are good or on both teams are bad but now that we have birth If you know we had this Islanders Boston thing, two teams really good and you know what man, I don't know how many minutes of that series you watched. No love lost and I loved every second of it. I thought I was watching the crowd is what excites me because I've been watching the I watched the Atlanta Hawks New York Knicks series and I forgot how much I missed having a crowd in sports. Like, we've had a year without crowds and I'm watching the Madison Square Garden and Trae young. Like there's a Fu Trae young like, dang. That's so fun. And I admit like home. So I haven't I watch barely any of round, two of the NHL playoffs. I was moving. I was in, you know, across the ocean. All I was doing was checking box scores going. Oh, that's exciting. Like getting pumped up and not watching. So I asked you did she watch and was there a crowd and what's the crowd fun to watch? Was it a part of the series postseason hockey crowds in general, are So outrageous like you can even I've actually because of just geography and not having engines locally. I've never actually been to an NHL postseason game. I've been to a lot of packed houses for junior hockey playoff games and while it's not the same because there's less people and because it's just not quite doesn't mean the same thing because it's not the jealous of Juniors. I can say that being in that crowd of fifty nine thousand people for a junior team is absolutely electric, and it absolutely does turn Series. So when you magnify that by, you know, two or three times and then you add the meaning of the Stanley Cup. This heralded some difficult to win, you know, century-old trophy it. It's everything it truly like it's the way that the crowd explodes over everything like it looks like routine saves that you wouldn't think twice about in the middle of like December are met with roris Applause. People are happy. They're excited. There's excitement in New Jersey, The room when you feel like you know, it breeds itself and you get the ball rolling, it stays rolling Nashville, a couple of years back started chanting at goalies saying awful things two goalies. Like they I mean there was like, you know that stuff. They would count gold if if the opposing goalie had a bad day and then, you know, he allowed five or six National start counting three and they would get into all. And they were points where like, in near the end of series, when things were kind of starting to boil over, they would chant like that for like the entire third. And that's all it would be. It was and it was, he's dead. So what do you do about that? But if you're, if you're the goal, you're sitting there you know you've got a sunburn from the red light being on your on your back, so much from goals and yeah, how do you not feel demoralized, how do you not feel down after? The only thing you can hope is that your home proud is going to bring it the same way but NHL playoff Crowds Are something special or something different. I highly encourage anybody listening, I encourage you, Zach, whenever you can make it out to an NHL playoff game, do it why? I know I've taught school do. If I go to one, you're coming with me. That's my my I'll make that happen. I what I think would be so cool is if the Islanders could even even getting to a Stanley Cup, would be so cool to have that building one last time to go to Stanley Cup finals and be like, unbelievable. I just like, oh man. And then if they want, they probably won't win even if they get there. But they said they might would is so exciting to me and I think I I think to answer I asked you a question earlier. What time were you doing for? I'm definitely ready for the Islanders. I think it'd be so cool to see them do that in this moment. Yeah, I mean and what's so what's cool for the Islanders specifically is that they've got a lot of old school fans because it was quiet for them for a long time. They haven't wanted division championships, it's like 88,000 haven't been good in a long time, I haven't been, but throughout this entire tenure the entire time shorter that one season, they played in Nassau, Coliseum that team Once Upon a Time, one for Stanley Cups, in a row in the late in the late, seventies and early eighties. I didn't know that this is a team that again, and it's time, was something absolutely special a dynasty. I mean, for cos or four titles in a row, it doesn't get much more dynastic than that, that was a dynasty. And a lot of these old school honors fans, who watched that dynasty take place when they were young in the late, in the early eighties who have had to struggle by and large through, you know, a lot of tough. Lean times are now back in that building full crowd, we're here and they're doing it again. They're trying to do it again. They're not going for in a row. They might not win one in a row off. You still there back that energies in the air the same way? I'm sure that it was, you know, forty years ago. I want to now talk about the thing that the shock of the second round of the NHL playoffs to me, was that the Vegas? Golden knights beat the Colorado, Avalanche in six games? They went forwarded to. I was I remember watching what was happening. You know, that it happened. I'm just looking at my phone, the, the ESPN app going. I can't believe that. I remember when it was 3 to 2, I was like, I can't believe that we're playing at elimination game where the Avalanche could be set home. Let alone, the fact that they did get sent home, how did you feel watching it series? And am I did you feel the same way I do or Mike? I just can't believe that happened. It felt like Whiplash because this was a series that you felt like it was going to go back and forth and it went six years. So it's not like it's quick, but it's the nature of how those six games went. Colorado comes out flying and game on. They went 7-1 against the backup goaltender, and you think we talked about that. I remember that did. Yeah, cuz we were dead. The day after that, that, that had happened. And you and you look at it, and it's like, whoa, okay? 7-1 Colorado's not playing around Vegas, the only one game, but you're gonna have to come, you know, correct. You know, for game two and it was much closer. You want to over time, it was one of two overtime games that series, but Colorado wins that too. And that too. Oh, this is a problem for Vegas. Like, I mean, the, the numbers are easily Google able when you log onto, oh, in a hockey series and everything good for you. Yeah, you gotta win. You gotta win for before they win too. That's hard to do and Vegas went off in and doubled that and said, hey we're going to we're going to win for before they win anything. They want four straight. Against which an arguably people were saying was the best team in the NHL. I said it. I mean, a lot of people did everybody told me that. Yeah, I mean, and, and two of them were closed game. Thursday and five were wonderful. James, Dean five was the second overtime game of the series. But James Ford 6, we're not particularly close. And what Jim 405? One James 660. I can't remember. And I'm sure there was some teenagers and there's some yeah, so you know it wouldn't it wasn't as drastic as that but it's so hard to be a team, four times in a row that to me and then the fact they did against that team. I mean, you you see a sweet. It felt like they swept them the way it went down. I remember watching one, like a game game. Only went over to, I just remember feeling like, wow, I can't believe this. I can't, you know, I just and you is it. How much is overtime matter to you, like this, is there something about the fact that the Avalanche when it mattered? No overtime could make it a point that they didn't play enough games like that all year. Like what, how did that? I just don't understand overtime. So it's not like they were incapable, but I think that, you know, honestly, I'm not sure what it was. It's hard to say, it's hard to play, you know, armchair psychologist and said, this is what happened. I think that what had something to do with it was the fact that you win the first two games in the second one, you want overtime. So you're not feeling, you know, great about it. Like you are the 7-1 victory, but you go. Yep. I'm three and you'll lose by a goal, you lose 3-2 and yeah, it's okay, it's a loss. We're still to one. That's only one gold game, you know, it is what it is, will be fine and then came for you get spanked wage and just like that we're to to Vegas is writing all of the momentum and it's hard to climb back from that there's this. It's, I still write. That's what they talk about it. You know, think about the ice flat surface. If it's tilted wage to be going really, really fast. Climbing uphill. Yeah, same deal. There's there's a level of of tilt that felt like happened after game for when Vegas wins that game big and it's in the Colorado's visibly off heels. And Game 5 goes to overtime, Colorado, losses and fifty seconds, and they had a great. And that's that's the crazy part about playoff hockey, the right like that game goes to overtime, do like 15 seconds and gets a tremendous chance on the net, like a big rebound pops right out in front to a shooter, remember who it was? And they have a great look on the net to bury this thing off. And go up three two two headed to game six. And who knows what conversation we're having? Now if that happens, they can't score that and then not 30 seconds later, a bad change from a Colorado defenseman. I think it was Gerard and juice and Mark Stones buried the game-winner. And we're, and it's 3 to 2. And then after that, it feels like going back to Vegas going back to game sex. I haven't seen a playoff game in Vegas, but I've seen a regular season game in Vegas, not crowded Bonkers off. So, going back to T-Mobile arena in Vegas for games, six riding a woman's, and we've won three straight. You're about to close it out. It felt difficult to imagine a scenario that Colorado, manages to take care of this and not enough. Vegas come out to play the great game. What's so fun to look back to? I remember, I read the comments and everything I put out. I try not to but I still do especially when it's hockey hard, not to. And I I just want to hear what people have to say about hockey. I feel like I'm just said, I'm a newbie who's learning and trying to take information and I I remember when the Avalanche won game, 1 of that series seven to one against the backup goalie and you were like the only person going that was the right move like a decision. A lot of people were like ready to fire the coach and were angry and how could you and what idiocy it's funny. Look back now you know golden knights fans were so mad and there was so much you know anger and vitriol there to look back and go none of it mattered. They won like it's so funny to me to revisit that it's like, revisiting a trade. When you're like you were mad about it and you're starting goaltender got a day off. Yes like it. There's if I wish that I could I wish I had a time machine. I go back to every every Vegas fan that was so upset and I wish I could say. Hey listen, you guys one month. Series and Flora got a game off and they would say well like hindsight 20/20 you look back, oh, oh it's actually works out for the best for us. It did. And that's and that's I made that I'd want on that long diatribe that episode about playing the result. And I think the people did that and now it's easy for me to do that exact same thing and go back and say, well, hey guys, look at guess what it worked out, that's kind of me doing that, but at least we know what actually happened and what might happen, which is what sky is following Chicken. Little Vegas fans were saying that day was. What if this happens, okay? It didn't find like you guys were fine, but you never talked about the home. I remember at the time you ever mentioned the possible result, you said the decision making a sound to give your guy a night off, or cuz you could play them in game one. Having me tired, and you might lose. Anyway, it's better to just accept the boss, rest your guy so that you're good for the rest of the series which they really needed, multiple overtime games. Yeah. And when you got Robin Leonard, who like I said, is a Cadillac level backup goalie, who would start on a lot of teams you do Feel like you're going in the game. One, punting. You really feel like if your Vegas with this team, you have with a great backup, goaltender, like you're going to go in and win that game. Like you don't feel like you're like you're taking a step back now and it's seven one. That's what you like to see, you know, at all. But I don't think Vegas goes into that game Thinking. Well, you know what? This is a necessary sacrifice they want to try to win that game and they got shelled, but it didn't matter. How about the Tampa Bay Lightning? They beat the Carolina Hurricanes in five games for two. One, we talked about how they kind of abused, the salary cap to their advantage and abused it. And then like in like you, I'm here for it. I love it because it's they found a loophole. They used it to their advantage there. Probably. I would think the favorite to win the Stanley Cup Final. This point, do you have any insight from that series of Tampa Bay Lightning the Carolina Hurricanes? You know, it went five, the Carolina, the Carolina win was an overtime game. Yeah, well, it wasn't like a like an outrageous beat down. I mean, three of the games ended in a one-goal deficit and then one of them ended with the two and two and the other two ended with the two-goal deficit. So it's not like these are these are, you know, beatdowns. So to say, I don't know if you saw Zach, the the game 5 of that series, it ended 6 to 4 and it featured offers one of the all-time second. Period's eight goals were scored in the second. That's wild. I did not see that. That's wild. I just saw the final score Carolina stored in the start of the second prettiest or two girls. Thirteen Seconds Apart. Tampa responds less than five minutes later. Not one minute later Carolina. Responds with another. Then two minutes later Carolina stores again, then Tampa ends the. Final 5:22. Two or three times. So I said, I should go back and watch that just cuz that sounds like really fun to watch. I actually, I will tonight just cuz I I don't give a crap. I might as well go back and watch. It sounds amazing. It was off again, it was like an Alzheimer. I mean, there's eight goals in twenty minutes. What's the average on that? Like, there's a goal every 2 and 1/2 minutes every three minutes. So it's just, it's all. It's like, lacrosse. Like it's always happening. It's just going going going going off and it's like watching an inning in baseball, where that's going ten runs. It's that kind of moments. That's what it looks like when you bat around like when ya fascinating. But I mean we played baseball team growing up by the way, do that? Yep. I got hit a lot, but that's your to write. I was. Yeah, and but it wasn't even like it was it was like somehow both teams bat around and they're, and they're half-dead, each team scored four times, it wasn't even like a demolition derby in that. In that second frame, both teams were going crazy. So it was, it was just tremendous. It was so it was, it was playoff hockey exemplified because something, Times. It's these crazy 8. Cool. It's not very often and sometimes it's, you know, goalie battles where it's like a one nothing game, but it's the most exciting one, nothing you've ever seen. And this was just kind of one flavor of the many of quintessential. Playoff hockey, you get a 6-4 game with a second. Is just is bananas. Yeah, I so others a game 5, second. I got to go back and watch. It's funny. We're decide. I always want to call them quarters, which I know you can't recall. Sorry about that. Again, 4 p.m. for four. I think I should go for second. Okay, I'm going to go watch x. That sounds amazing but I do know I can't be the only one. How I know I'm a math major. I was want to say the three quarters and it's that's completely wrong. It's why they call them. Cuz you can't have quarters in broken up into three. I do. I'm curious as I as I look back on the series. Normally a sweep, isn't that compelling like in the NBA the Bucks, swept the Heat and it's like, not completely. I don't give a dang at all because it's like this song. I don't care, but for some reason, I thought that, you know, the Montreal Canadiens sweeping the the Jets, and four games this incredibly compelling, like it's a shock to me. And then the Islanders and Bruins and 6, the golden knights Avalanche and 6. Those are fun serious for me while I look back on round to Tampa Bay, beating Carolina, and five games was the least compelling series. The unit, is that an outlandish statement? No, ma'am. Because the other two, the two games, the ones six, as you mentioned, both have their own story Lines within the game, but the games themselves also created fun story that goes six games. You know, both teams are winning games that it's competitive. The house built in storyline to the sweep and on the western side of things. Shocked shocked right? Like, it's a four, it's a sweep. It's for. Oh, but it's shock. It's question marks. It's like, whoa, the storyline you have built in there, but I agree with you in that the Tampa Bay Carolina series. The games while they were competitive. They weren't short of again, that one 20-minute frame where things pop off the games weren't quite competitive. I don't think they were quite like, you should be enough for quite physically, intense enough. And I don't think that there was enough, built-in story line between the two teams to make that series and Incredibly intriguing watch. Especially if you're you know if you are kind of like a casual hockey fan who will catch the big games or who will catch, you know the end of games that probably the least intriguing to you. So yeah, I agree with your assertion that I got asked to do as I look at Boston, got sent home and I go oh, I'm curious about Boston's future and Colorado, got sent home like wow, like I, I'm really curious what's next for the Colorado? Avalanche and you want to make jets what's name them? But I don't have that same intrigued with Carolina. I don't really, I don't have a lot of Hope for them moving forward. I don't have a lot of, I mean they're they're a fine team, their, their playoff team, good for them. Do you have a lot of money? Is that possible to that Carolina? Isn't that interesting? Cuz I just they they're the team that got knocked out that I'm like it's funny because Carolina not so long ago. Created like their own kerfuffle, I guess I'll say they as part of kind of a team identity rebranding. They started doing what they called, the storm surge, I believe they called it. Are you have you heard about this at all? I have not know. So the storm surge was something that that the Hurricanes did off the 2018-2019 season, they might even still do it. But it really is when it was going crazy after they would win games, this is when they started to kind of begin their Ascent from being a bad team into being a team that could compete and even when they lose games big time cuz that happens when you're a team that's kind of on the rise they still would do this and it would be after home games. They would just do something wacky. They would like they would they would stay away from the red line to the the the end boards looks like Center to the end boards and they just jump into it and they'd hit the boards, just kind of a fun like crowd interactive thing to track of Get the fans into it and to kind of become disfuncion like fan first type team and they call it the storm surge. And then this Don Cherry is like this old-school Canadian hockey commentator on CBC or was, he's recently misplaced from that role. He called them a bunch of jerks. He hated this like outward, fun. He like he hates hockey fun because he's a guy from a different time. When hockey hours one of those one of those baseball guys, we hate 100%. It's 100% what he is and he called him a bunch of jerks on like on you know live TV. So Carolina boxes hurricanes, themed hurricanes colored, bunch of jerks t-shirts completely event into it. It was awesome. So that's so Carolina kind of made their waves made their Mark, um, you know, prior to this. But this is kind of their real, for a, the real Ascent into being notable for their play in. Quite some time, they won the Stanley Cup and I believed For they they actually want it all and since then it's been kind of tough sledding for them. So I'm glad to see that. They're back in a good spot. They're making the postseason. I don't think they'll they'll they'll be postseason Mainstays for a while. I don't think they're necessarily going to win it all any time soon, but I think they're going to be around there, going to be a tough out there. Good team, there are fun team. I like them. And I'm wrong, because I have no reason not to. They're they're, they're good fun, team. So, Colorado will be back. The Avalanche have a young team, they have a bill through the draft if I remember correctly. Correct. Yep. Very much so and so they but the question is, as they, they're young guys age, they're going to have to be paid at some point. So I would imagine that the pressure is on Monday. You there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. I'm here. So you capture is on. Well, I would say next year they have to win, right? Kind of, so I got their two best players. I think in Mikko rantanen, Nathan MacKinnon. Those are locked up. McKinnon expires, twenty-three, twenty-four and granted it expires twenty-five. Twenty-six thousand McKinnon specifically is on what I think is unequivocally the single best contract in the league and it's not close. He's making six point three million dollars which is a little bit. What does that have a little bit more than half of what guys, like auston Matthews and, do you ever making? Yeah, and he's like ninety-five 5% is good wildly. Underpaid wildly underpaid. And he's twenty-five years old. Wow, this contract. But he's going to get paid at some point. He will in twenty-three twenty-four. Yep. Think that's your I think that's your spot. They've got Brandon Saad who is a for for the hockey fans. It's crazy that he's only twenty years old because he's been on the league for a long time. He wants some cups in Chicago, he's on a pretty team from this year, but he expires after the season Gabriel landeskog, who's there? Captain other great player? He's only 28, he expires after this season on a pretty team-friendly deal as well. After that after those two guys suck. I actually don't hate their cap sheet. They're they're both our goaltenders Philipp grubauer who's played tremendously and Devan, dubnyk, who's a capable backup are both up for New Deals, but grew by his own life and change this year. So he's got room to get paid. I'm sure he will at 29 Bill tenders age late and the goal tenders. Don't really come into their Prime until their late 20s, whereas like, you know. Yeah. There's usually mid twenties and early twenties, I was right. That's an hour, he's hitting his stride, just in time for payday. So he's going to get paid, but he's going to get paid well. But outside of grubauer, you got landeskog who needs a contract and sod, who I'm sure they're going to try to keep around. There's not a lot they're missing. So, you know, really, I think you're right on the money and that next year, there's going to be, you know, and and those aren't the only guys expiring, there are some fourth line. Guys. We're belmar's expiring, but these are guys that are easily replace. These are million million and half, two million dollar guys who are going to be on free agency. You can replace those guys. The guys that are irreplaceable are there are tougher to replace. There's not a lot that you have to do there and They're a smart team, who's drafted well, who's got guys, waiting in the wings, have just shown, there are generally competent franchise. So while I do think the clock's ticking because the clocks always ticking, I think there are other teams name, Las Vegas and the Islanders who are up there in average age, who need to win it before, they either get too expensive or get too old. Do you live one year or two? Just call right out of one year is next year the year or do they have two years, right? I think I think like realistically. Like I really think they have like through 20 to 23 months. I think that's that, that's when the mechanic contract expires, he's going to go into that contract being like twenty-seven, twenty-eight years old. So he's going to get a big-time Paddock. He's looking to have a few more valuable years left and they're going to pay him for past performance because we're hockey. Team always do. Yeah, that's two years, right? Because they'll start again. Only one and then Twenty-One twenty-two and then twenty-two twenty-three. So too. So after this two full seasons after this I think is where is where it's going to be. It's weather going to dirt their Windows going to be it's going to be weird for them because they sign this Mikko rantanen deal. He's making nine in the quarter through twenty-four twenty-five. And you sign contracts anticipation is going to go up but with Would be one of them because they're spending almost to the cap and they got a lot of talent and they would have to make some decisions or you could just do a Tampa Bay does and opted to play the entire season without one of your best players and save some money off. Yeah. Before we move on, I want to say, I want to share with the audience of fun behind-the-scenes thing. We use Riverside, FM to record which is amazing software. Basically, we're unlike Zoom, you don't need internet to record. So if your internet cuts out, it'll still record everything locally, but I, you can still the end product to be good, even if there's bad internet, I currently can't see you. I imagine that's bad internet, it's very off-putting. If you met her back up up. I was like, are you still there? Because I, I can't hear you clearly, by the way. It's amazing. But I can't see you. I'm glad I'm glad I thought it was me your video when we record get terrible, and I know it's not, you might be Rashad. I think it was me because my internet here, it's funny. I'm moving to Hawaii and I have five times faster, internet in Hawaii than I do here and I have the best. I can possibly get here. And yep. Hello, I'm not hardwired it's hard to know again. I I've watched the videos. I think that we both look pretty not grainy like we look fine. Yeah. You know on the video but during a recording I can barely see you but you know, I hear that song. There we go. Yeah, so let's move on to Boston. What's next for the Boston Bruins? You know, I mean until that until that that group is, you know, until it's break up time. And I don't think that's necessarily soon. I don't think I'm I think it's it's kind of business as usual like in a flounder though cuz they don't seem like a team that can win a title. Are they? Unless they have really good fortune to get a free agent or make a big move. What they do with Taylor Hall is interesting is up for a deal. Signed a one-year deal with them. That's right. I guess he cited when you're dealing, they got traded to them but he's on a one-year contract. So he's up for re-signing David krejci who's a longtime brew and he wears and he wasn't a for them. He's thirty-five years old with our highest paid player and he's a good player but he's not their best player at all. You know, he's he's going to be up for resigning. It's curious how that gets approached because he's making seven and a quarter this year and he's probably not a 7 and a quarter player and he he and he won't be into his late thirties, which is where the dog track will take him. So if he is, you know, depending I don't, I don't know what that will bring. I don't know what Bruins fans think, they're going to sign him for. I can't imagine that because he spent so much time in Boston and had so much success there. He's going to want to stick around. The number is going to matter a lot for them cuz they're spending right to the cab. And then again, when it comes, what comes down the, the pipe, with, with Taylor Hall, but you Brad Marsh and is paid through twenty-four twenty-five. Charlie Coyle is paid through twenty-five. Twenty-six pastrnak is 323. That's next year, you got one more year of Patrice Bergeron. So I'm going to be able to bring back a lot of their squad. You know, fairly easily, Charlie mcavoy's. They're young stud defenseman. He's paid. Your have to make a decision on Brandon Carlo. He's twenty-four, so he's, he's only making a little bit more three this year. You got a couple of other guys that are making, you know, sub two million or, you know, replaceable drives. The big one is Tuukka Rask who again a controversial figure in Boston, who's making seven million dollars. This year is up for re-sign. What they do with him is incredibly interesting and I think that was wrong with him. Just going to give you some tea leaves to read regarding the future of that franchise and what moves they decide to make. But I think they're going to they're going to remain competitive because they got too many guys on too many good contracts signed for too far to not want to complain but what that level of competition looks like is going to depend a lot. I think on what they do with with rats this offseason. Well Boston haven't will Boston compete for a title next year. It's hard to say know, like I think the answer is yes, with the guys, they got. Even if they, you know, create some holes and free agency and then, and then patch them up in the, same free agency again, they're kind of the same deal there. Well, ranting they sign good contracts. Don't take on a lot of bad stuff. They still, you know, they've got younger guys who are who, who could study always seem to get production out of these younger guys, they always seem to get one guy who can step up and play dead. It's hard to count them out. I don't know if they're, I don't know if this was their best shot necessarily, you know, but they'll be back in this position next year, they're getting a little older. Like, I mean, Bergeron is 35 craters, 35, marchands 33, these are, you know, for hockey, these are old guys, but they also got young guys who are, who are again, coming up pastrnak. Only twenty-five mcavoy's, twenty four coils twenty-nine, so, they've got guys, and they've got guys on, like a good contracts were good players, they're going to compete the level of which they compete is going to be. I think their their goalie situation is going to be a lot because their backup goalie, jaroslav halak is also up for re-signed, so both are starting to promote them. They're everyday goalies. Need new contracts. How would you compare Boston to Pittsburgh? I would think Pittsburgh's and a much worse situation where they're a little bit older and there is I guess this is Pittsburgh's older, right? I mean, I would say I've been better. Goaltending issue, right now, like Tristan Jarry is is Pittsburgh's I guess I'll say, like, everyday goaltender, they've got Jerry and, and Casey desmith who, you know, was not, it's not great either. Those guys are very good. Frankly, and goaltending is going to continue be an issue, but I mean, they've committed a jar, a three and a half million dollars for the next two years after 1. So, unless he makes a serious step, this is not going to be a team that I think can be a serious competitor until they can fix this goaltending situation. Again, what that's jargon making a leap and suddenly that three and half million goes from bad to good value or they're able to find money, you know. Elsewhere, this is a team that also, you know, their final cap, they spent to the cap because they've got two guys making over over eating home. $10 a year and Malkin and Crosby and Crosby is 33 years old is one bad hit away from never playing again and he's got four more years at eight and a half million eight point seven million cuz he wears 87. That's he'd literally off for eight point seven million dollars a year because he wears number 87. Now, I look at the Winnipeg Jets and I I see LeBron James with Cleveland where, you know, Cleveland didn't support him and they walk every year they hit a wall or I think Russell Wilson in Seattle, is a great. Another example, of a team that has a great quarterback, a Hall of Fame player, a generational player, that's kind of, maybe once in a franchise, you ever get a guy that founded, but they don't support him and they make the playoffs every year because of him, but they always say to sealing Winnipeg the Jets feel the same way, they've got Connor hellebuyck. This incredible goalie That's it. So what's next for Winnipeg? I mean is it just just going to be a cycle year and where we talk about? Wow, amazing. And then that's it. It's just like they've got a great topic for group like Blake wheeler and Kyle, Connor and Paul Stastny who was up for re-signing Mark, scheifele, three of those four guys, not Stassney wheeler Connors scheifele. These guys are all committed long-term like, like wheeler and scheifele are paid through, 23, 24, and, Connors paid through twenty-five. Twenty-six. So these this is York or you have that. They're nikhil is another great player. He's making six million through twenty-five. So, all these guys, you have at least three years on with the exception of staff and like I said who's thirty-five. So it's not like he's you know, you're not going to get a lot out of him, he's a good player but he's You Can't Look to Him. Long-term perrault's 33. He's making a little over four. He's up for a new contract and then, you know, that's about where where it ends for your real contributors. They've got some questions on defense. They're going to have three of their roster defenseman, and then a couple more guys don't play quite as often up for new contracts. They are spending a bit of money so they're going to have some decisions to make. So I don't think that this is a team that you can actually like right off because they have a really great for group that they have the money for clearly. They gotta fix that defense that defense is incredibly pedestrian, it's very, very average wage. They're spending a quarter of their cap on defense and they're not getting tremendous production and it's been only going to go up because they've got guys who need contracts. So I I don't I don't know their path. Like they it's it's tough for them. They need to fix this defense thing but defense right now is so valuable teams are catching on to signing. You know. Defenseman get paid more than they have in recent years because it's proving to be an incredibly valuable thing in the postseason as you'd expect. They've got some, some work to do Josh Morris. He's a good player and he's signed through twenty-six twenty-seven wage At 6 and a quarter a year, one of the longest contracts in the league to this point. So they're committed to him and they're committed to Dylan. Demelo who's making three million dollars? Which I actually think is a bad deal for dimelo, he's not a player that's change your franchise but he's only making three million dollars a year. So who will at that rate? So I guess I don't I don't have a great answer outside of like it's going to take some doing for them to like really compete cuz they're certainly not there yet. Even with, I don't think they will be attending. I'm not confident. They're going to make it up. Moves to take a step forward. Yeah, I mean they're going to bring back Brian little who was on long-term and reserved but he's like in his early mid thirties, he's thirty-three this year and he signed for another three years at a, at a sizeable number of like, five point three months, but I don't think he's, he's enough. What really hurts Winnipeg is like while they need defense. They clearly could have used some goal-scoring this year or in this postseason and they earlier in the season traded like one of the best pure goal scorers in the league and Patrick lyonnet because they didn't like his effort or something, no one really knows. So they traded him for Pierre. Luc. Dubois who's a twenty-two-year-old very talented Center on a decent contract, but he's not the instant contribute to the guy like Lion, a is, and that's that could have used for this postseason. So you look back and you think about this one? Maybe the young guy developed though. Yeah I mean but it's like with Lion a like yeah. Maybe the young guy. Pierre Luc Dubois only twenty-two years old and he's a center which is kind of inherently a month valuable position. You know you think maybe he does develop at the same time until he's a baby and but line is Young to let the guy that traded in for this is Patrick lyonnet who was like, like I said, the best pure like goal scorers in the league, guess what? He's twenty-three, he's a year older. So that's just a bad move since it's just a bad move, like it's, it's just it didn't. It's I I've got the receipts, I have text messages from the day that that happened of me hammering Winnipeg for making this deal. And it guess what? Style looking good? Yeah, Austin. Your wealth of knowledge. You have anything else. Any other thoughts? You want to have a question for you? Yeah, I've wanted to ask you this question since we did our first episode. I forgotten twice. I'm not going. Okay. Okay. Fighting in hockey. I want your take I I absolutely love it. I think it's, it's certainly not the most elegant thing. It certainly probably doesn't enhance the like, the gameplay, like I don't, but it's it's Unique to hockey. I think it's one thing, incredibly entertaining and there's also I think a factor of There have been so many times when I'm playing sports, that you do just want to hit the guy like you, you know, like I wish it was allowed when I played High School football and were played college football, and you're like this month, I think guy keeps hitting me late and I just want to punch him and I remember it. Oregon State, what do you call it? Like summer camp where you have like your your team Camp? Yeah, I got into a brawl twice, because the guy would keep shouting my running back and he threw him to the ground late and I hit the guy back and he was going to UCLA stood up six foot five. And I was like, I can't fight this guy but it was that age. Then my team stood up and I went to a brawl and I I think it's it's entertaining. It really, really is I guess cathartic where you like we all want that and we get it and I don't really see a reason why it would be bad in hockey other than risk of injury or which, I guess if you are worried about that you don't get like, you're smart enough to got you into a fight, but I don't see a single negative for hockey off. Then you could argue, it takes away from like the, the nuance and, you know, beat people with the game and, you know, with your skill, rather than your your case, you you touched on it. The, the two risks are obviously injuries and, you know, there's a kind of the marketability of it, right? But at the same time, I don't even believe in the market about the argument because like the UFC is on ESPN. So I would really concerned with the marketability of fighting in hockey. Like, I don't hockey's different. It's hockey is more Middle. America. Hockey is more. It's, you're not going to have some man. I don't, I don't know how to say. I went to a liberal arts college. You're not going to have the guy in the tweed jacket. It who, you know, is it's a different type of person that likes hockey and I'm here for it, you know what I mean? I, that's mostly Fair. Yeah, I mean hockey is growing on the coast, you know, you think about the the tweed jacket, liberal arts, college guide and the hockey is growing amongst that, that group of people. But at the same time I I do see what you're saying and that the Pierce, I think that's the better way or not better, but I guess it's like only be clear before before we move on from that that statement I made, I'm one of those guys here, I'm the guy who likes the fighting, you know, I'm not, I'm not the guy who's tipped off and trying to be perfect and how I just, I'm very I enjoy that stuff. So to be clear. Not like, divide people know. I got you, I got you. And I think that it's more, the person who's the, the, the hockey Fighter, the person playing the game, who's doing the fighting also, isn't that guy like the person, who's, Who's down to drop the gloves and fight like them, they're getting into, it's kind of one of those things where it's you, we know what we're doing here. What people don't understand about. I guess this is like I asked you the question and I'm going to go on the ram, but what can I pause you for a second? Absolute opt-in. I mean, no one just gets decked, hockey's, got kind of like almost a chivalry that the fights I've seen where you drop the gloves in the kind of people go. Are we really doing this? I've done. I've seen fights where it kind of happens. Chaotically sporadically, and there's some real anger there but often it's like, hey mother effer and then the guy goes yeah, let's do this. And there's kind of a moment where they square off and both agreed to participate. You don't have an interest in fighting. You're probably not fighting a lot. Yeah, kind of the wake. You opt-in. Yeah, you often, and there's a ton of like mic'ed up NHL videos, guys were in microphones who are fighting and and it's very dead. It's it's so funny because it's guys will end up next to each other and one guy might tap them on the shin pad and it's it's very simple. There's just like it's very, it's been well talked about throughout the interwebs throughout hockey writers, this hockey fighter code, and this is one of those code. Things you go up to a guy, you say like, you know, for whatever reason, you know, maybe it's I don't even dislike this guy, this team, but I'm noticing our team as. We're down a couple of girls. The crowd is flat. Let's fight, let's get something going here. Or it's, you know, this guy took a run or our star player and we gotta, you know, we got married retribution, there's a lot of reasons to fight but the guy will line up. Machine package with a stick and they'll say, Hey, you know, are we doing this? And then the other guy will say yep. And then they'll wait a second of the puck to drop and they'll separate they'll shed their gear and they will fight. And I've seen, I've literally seen fights off if there was one guy kember, the two players involved, there was a guy coming off of a shoulder injury, had surgery. And in hockey, it's coming to grab up here to get balance for yourself cuz you're on skates and four controls. The other person kind of move them around by the color of their shirt, their Jersey and one off, the guy who didn't have the shoulder surgery is asking this guy like mid-fight, they're punching each other in the head and you can visibly or you can like audibly, hear him asked which shoulder was injured. So as to avoid grabbing that shoulder, there's like a chivalry there. It's almost like yeah, it's it's a weird respect. I mean yeah, no one's trying to hurt the other guy, but it's like, hey, I, when I, when I played Rec basketball before covid-19, pretty covid times, I can barely remember I played basketball and there were some guys who were really dirty and you're like, dude, I would rather just purchased a guy get kicked out for the day and come back in a week. When I, you know, my suspension from the building and college ends there were times where I would have been worth it to me to just punch the guy and deal with the consequences for a week. And I sports are so weird because in a normal adult setting, it's not acceptable to do that. But in sports, You're So Physical. You're so chippy you hate, the way this guy has been cheap. Shotting you all day and you have a moment where you get to opt-in, you get to decide, you know the consequences you'll be, you know, in that box and you'll be suspended, whatever the hell it is. And you have the more clarity and then you still decide to go through it cuz to you, it's worth it. And I know exactly how that feels the reason I asked, you know, it would have been a better conversation. I asked after our first episode ordering for stuff. So, because during when, when I describe the the injury to Toronto, Captain, Jonathan Tavares, when he was need in the head on accident by Corey Perry of the Montreal, Canadiens knocked him out of the series and there was a big to-do about that. It was like, said a complete accident cord. Was made to fight that game. And it was one. It was. Oh my goodness, one of the, the Maple Leafs, big fool, you know, he he fought Corey Perry, Georgia. Yep. And Corey Perry, clearly didn't want to fight like he didn't punch back, you can watch the tape cord. He's leaning back and he's not punching back, I don't like that. Well, he it's this hot cold thing. Because and and and they talk about it for the game and fully no mentions that he had said to Parry like, Hey, we're not mad at you. We know it was an accident, but this has to happen, because if we don't get out of the way, now, then it's our guys taken runs at your guys. And it's your guys taken runs at our guys. And this isn't settle down until it's settled. Let's settle it. I love that. Let's be done and Corey Perry clearly knowing it was an accident. Clearly, knowing he's injured severely, a friend of his goes through with the fight opt to not punch back and kind of just take his semi licks and be done with it. And then guess what? That series went clean. The rest of the way out. G escalated things. It put a cap on things instead of instead of the media running wild with how does how does Toronto respond in game two to this injury? It's got out of the way. We're done. It's settled, it's over. We're going to play hockey the rest of the way out and that's often what fighting is. It's neither guide necessarily one to kill the other guy but it's realizing like You did this to one of our guys and it was an accident but like you gotta pay for it. There needs to be a response or else I can't. Look at myself in the mirror as a player. Our team has to wonder what's going on and that we have to take care of this. And that's that's that's how that's how you know, that's how it happens a lot. It's such a interesting, weird, different thing cuz it's so unlike anything else. I want to revisit something. I said I I'm feeling almost almost guilty, almost regret. I'm not sure I want to talk through it with you. I mentioned like how hockey is more Middle America and liberal arts guy? And I feel like that that unintentionally divides that creates two different groups of people and I don't like doing that. But I know that, I don't personally think hockey with fighting being involved Cuts, anybody off from now, from new people, becoming a fan of hockey, no one's. No one's not being a fan of hockey because of fighting. This is a good point. I mean, there are, I think there are some people who smoke and I don't have an example. So it's like I'm thinking of a person. I wonder if people, but I think there are people who are seriously turned off by the idea of watching a sport where people are like throwing punches each other but it's like it's football that football's not any less violent. Right? It's just well, I gotta let me let me stop you because you do anime podcast. I don't I don't like watching MMA, it makes me happy. We'll kind of weird and sick watching another man. Make a couple leader and and but I own that my fiance loves it. I don't I don't like it, hockey doesn't feel that way cuz it feels like there's a step removed you're wearing padding and I'll take the helmet off and you would take the gloves off. But I the fights I have watched. I remember Conor McGregor elbowing Cowboy or I guess shoulder and cowboys broke his nose and I remember going that's brutal but that's genius. I actually appreciated it. So my initial response to any fighting is always been. I don't like watching. Like I bleed, I don't feel like you need to participate, but I also really respect. And for some reason, hockey feels even more approachable than MMA because there's it's just almost, there's like a layer between with the padding. Something it's so codified to it and and UFC wage and another promotion, it's more brutal, but it's also like we're signing a console like it's hard to get more codified then we're signing a contract and agreement. Yeah, but in but like that's like a guy going to work. And you know, why do I fight song? Hockey. It's like there's this small select group of guys who are still really really willing to fight. I'd say like fighters in the league, there's twenty of them, 15 of them, maybe like there's nothing you don't want to do it. You don't you don't participate. And there's and you were getting a fight once or twice a season who's not a fighter, but of the fighting people, the, the enforcers there aren't very many and that's a great word to a very adhere to a very strict code. It's, you know, it's it off. If, if I give you a fight because my teams down, I'll give you one down the road. It's a very handshake deal that adds this level of humanity to it. That's different than MMA when it's like, we had locked into a cage and it were doing this, like, for money. It's not for my team. It's not. So we win. It's like I'm getting paid to try to knock your head off. And again, you said it, I do a podcast on it. I really enjoy it, but I understand off the turn off night, stand, lights different than hockey fighting. Have you ever read? I am obsessed. My fiance probably is Anointed, talk about this character, so much. Have you ever read? Jack Reacher? No, I haven't. It's a guy who's a former military police and who is basically like Sherlock Holmes and his superhero where it's you, watch the, you read the books only child. Like I wrote the books even talks about how it's very much fulfilling for people because he always wins and he takes down the big bad guy and he even like the character even sells, like, I don't really care about the little guy, I just hate the bad guy. I hate the big guy who thinks he can get away with stuffing me when I watch that or when I read those books and there's a couple of movies. But the books are what I really love and I'm obsessed. He always gives people a way out if they want it, he's very fair shot to approach him. He'll he'll finish it and I love that. I find it incredibly attractive. I'm like, that's, I love reading that story and those stories and in hockey, it's like, you know, no one forces you to fight, you can get out if you want, and if you start it, then you get finished. Sure, but it's it feels very fair almost. If you guys being made to fight like if it's like, wow. Like it's literally jumped, it's probably not a guy who wants to fight to begin with. And if that happens there's probably the guy that does want to fight. Who's got something to say about it. So like the next shift when, you know, we're out there and how you jump my skill, guy who's five nothing and doesn't really want to fight you you're going to, you're going to have to you know respond to that. You're going to have to report to that. From my guy who is a fighter who says, hey man, you can pump in our players, there's it's very uniform. It's very like I said, codified the guys who fight and the guys who who do, who have made a career out of fighting know what it means to take on a rule? Yeah, I, you know, I, I'm picturing and I don't know if this ever happened, but I'm picturing a moment where I know if I was the guy playing hockey. I'd be, probably not very long to get in a fight, I'm sure I would. I got into fights in football before but I wouldn't seek it out. But I know if I was ever in a situation where guy wanted to fight me, I didn't want to fight it. Be like a man. Look at them wrong and I just, I don't want to find, you could do this song. Emotion. But your hands up back out and I'm pretty sure a guy wouldn't go after you unless you're being a complete like disrespectful awful. Cheap dirty, person. Which I'm just not. I'm, I'm pretty sure if you put your hands up back away it D. Escalates it. I I don't know if that's ever happened to observe that but I don't want this fun song and dance two players who don't want to fight do whenever there's a scrum like near the net for sale. Yeah there's there's from anybody, they Circle each other for like they kind of come together and it's it's more just usually like hey we cool like are you cool? You're not do anything wrong, are you? And he's like, no, are you doing wrong know? We're good. And then when there's a fight happening, usually, it's all the guys who aren't fighting finding a part on the other team and just holding on to him, you might have seen that in some of those friends where it's like, yeah, I don't really want to fight you and you really want to fight me off, but let's just make, let's, let's police each other. That's the big hockey. Fighting thing is, it's self-policing. This game polices itself. There's twelve guys including goalies. There's two guys in their second call. Penalties wage. Yeah, passed and it moves so fast. This team has to police itself and that's how that's that's what fighting is. This is a self-policing game and fighting facilitator for that. And another, you know, I've worked for MLS game operating a camera. I hate soccer like I I don't not like soccer. I actually hate soccer, I watch soccer, especially in the MLS, think it's even worse than Europe. These guys roll around on the ground with their wimpy, that barely touched. And they grabbed their knee and complain and try to get a foul and try to get a card. I hate that stuff. So I really appreciate when in hockey, it's you forget it's a, it's a physical contact, sport. And people don't avoid contact and I, I don't like we hear. I hear this term. Toxic masculinity. I don't know what that means very much. I can't, I can't speak to that, but I do know that there. I do. Appreciate a guy who isn't a wimp who can take a hit and move on. And I, I stuff happens in a contact sport and a physical game. You can't be afraid of that name. I really, when I contrast hockey, which I love to soccer, which I hate, even though they have a lot of similarities, it feels like one's the tough manly, our version, for lack of a better word of the other night. When I watch soccer, it makes me angry. And I want to talk. Yeah, go, that's how it should be done. You get hit your knock up, you get on your paper on those same like even the ice Mike's will catch it sometimes. But guys who are miked up, especially guy gets hit home. You hear him saying without like being Tebow positive or like, Andrew Luck, positive also, not being a jerk. He looks like I said and then like, he'll come trying to hit you at the next time around like it's that's a lot of that whole part of the game. Yeah. Austin I think that's all we have. It's all I have you comfortable in your conversation here. Absolutely MMA on cage podcast. When I got questions for me. I got I'm not done, I got a couple questions. Remember one I want to tell the audience, jumped the gun? No, no, no, no, you're all good. I want to tell the audience. First of all, I've been going through. Like hell, I've been moving ICE. 6 days on an island, setting up my apartment, like trying to look at headlines as I could try to, like, stay up with box scores but not really watching, not only not watching hockey, not watching any sports. I usually write every day from East for a couple, like probably four hours minimum even when I'm on vacation right for two hours a day and I didn't do any writing, I didn't follow any sports. I was busy, I had like a timeline, it had to get stuff done. And it's incredibly stressful is incredibly frustrating and I felt really upset. I couldn't watch hockey and I could, but I was, I had to do stuff. I couldn't, I couldn't work, you know, life. And so I I didn't watch any hockey and I felt really bad, and I was really having a hard time, and I want to say thank you to you Austin. I want the audience to know pretty clearly listened. This episode you carried this. I asked questions I come at a hawk as humbly as I can. I am a new face. I I love hockey, I don't know very much, but I want to ask questions, I want to learn and I try to come to the game and to the sport with humility, but I stay home. Appreciate you. I could ask you a question. You're prepared. You have an answer. You've thought about it and I don't think people understand how much work that takes. I know you love hockey. I know you watch a crapload of hockey but that's still work. That's still something. And I just want to say thank you so much for your willingness to allow me to have done very. I have like I have two pages of project notes. Basically saying like hey the golden knights beat the Canadiens 421. Vegas lead to Serious one. Nothing. That's all I have to say and then I throw to you and you just you do such a good job and I want to let you know, there's going to be moments in the show. I'm sure where I am waiting for them here cuz I'm on my computer, like making sure I'm not getting the same wrong so so it's not quite, it's not all up here. But yeah, you know, I enjoy it listened hockey, gets back up for having a group of fans as a sport which is hard to generalize. A whole group of fans of one sport. That's nature. That's that's International into one group at hockey fans, especially in America. It can be tough. It can be a tough sport to be a novice in because that's the way to keep. There's a lot of gatekeeping it's because it's a small enough sport within the country, but it's like we want to keep ours. Ours is almost like this like cleansing level of it where it's like we want to keep the the hockey fan Pier. So there is some gatekeeping, it's hard on New fans and wage. I don't, I don't care for that. I and, and like, I absolutely know. There are times that I've been guilty of it myself. So I'm not going to sit here and say that I've been perfect. I definitely have said something. I shouldn't have said before. It's like it happens, but be clear. I don't suck Superbowl parties cuz I hate watching football with people that don't know football and makes want to blow their brains out. I hate those people so I get it. So I try to come into conversations like this because I know that I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to your subscribers, I'm talking to the viewers and I would like to see this game continue to grow. I think there's a lot in hockey that people nation and worldwide could really come to Jersey. If given a chance, I understand the reputation of guests for being a slow sport for being a boring sport, it's one, nothing. All the time, I get it, that's where I was fifteen years ago, I was saying the same things. You got. That's a good game. That's what people like, I think, man, I think hockey is such a, a beautiful sport that deserves, that's why I do this. I think it should be uplifted to some degree. It's, it's kind of what I'm trying to do. That's that's roundabout way of me saying like, oh yeah, I try to come as as someone who likes to think of themselves as a relatively experienced hockey fan, even though that feels like its self back into myself, as someone who can, who can be a month and bassador of sorts for this, this wonderful game. And and pretend if a, you know, a couple of people do watch to watch a cup final game. You know, this was this was all worth it. I have two final questions. Number one, God, we played Little League Baseball together. I remember a yellow jerseys. You remember that? Yeah, we had. We had Sarah. No, Rachel. Rachel who became a cheerleader? Rachel was on her team. I don't remember. I remember Rachel a.m. We were, we were she was a year older than us but she was I remember her when we were older. I was like, Wow, Rachel, that's the same person. I can't believe that that's funny. I couldn't believe it when I was at a class where I was like, wait, we played ball together and I was like, oh, I can't believe it but I want to ask you and I think it wasn't too long ago, was the next step up. You played catcher. I was a pitcher. Did I ever pitch to you? I think I'd happened, right? I'm sure. It's all cuz we play cuz cuz we played wage. I think we, I think we rejoined later on, maybe like fourth, fifth grade like late on Mondays and we play on the same team again. And at that point, I had moved, I was like a part-time outfielder, but I'm sure I caught for you at some point. I think so. And then now, your dad was our coach at the younger age and then a weird thing happened, where your parents got divorced and your mom remarried to another baseball coach. Yeah, that's so cool. Beans, great, I love that. You have like, kind of two father figures that. I both love and play baseball for. That's kind of weird and awesome. Yeah, and I just I I we were talking mid hockey and I had these this flashback flood of memories. Is to playing baseball with you and the coaches. I was like, oh, that's so like weird and cool. I wanted to share that with anybody. It was a good time. I baseball was fun. It was the first sport. I, I played like in a in an organized environment like, how organized is Elementary School, baseball really? But like that is the first one. I it's like a running joke amongst my family and I because I was never a phenomenal hitter but my aunt base was great because I got hit a lot and had a good I. So I was drawing a lot of walks. I like it a lot. Billy Bean would have loved me as a player Andres percentage through the roof. So just leaning leaning taken balls. A lot of a lot of going down looking, but a lot of free passes baseball was fun. That was a good time. And I've said it before, you know, if there's any any new parents who want their kids to play a professional sport, get to choose baseball's. The one, they have the best Union, they make the most money. That's the least dangerous. Like that's life of one, that's life. You, you play your game in the summer, which I guess like your off-seasons in the winter kind of sucks, but at least you're not playing games in the snow. So, if you log Baseball, that's it's baseball or basketball. That's what you want kids to do. And, and baseball is more approachable, cuz you can be 5:10 and still make it, you can be 517, amazing player. My truck might be the best player ever. He's like six feet, tall, basketball luck, you know, you got to be something special so baseball's. The one baseball is definitely the one hundred percent last question and I now I shut you down a minute ago. I didn't mean to like jump on, it wasn't like Angry your show, but I've had a place in the whole time. I was like, I want to ask you, you didn't interview at 6, it's 10:49 p.m. on Tuesday night, we do these late night shows. I can't believe you're so willing to do it. I appreciate it. I never busy. It's gotten light. Like I would, we started the show was light outside and it's like gotten darker. I've seen my lighting change in the show because of the time, you did an interview at 6:00. Could you interview or, can you say who wage, absolutely say who it's going to be dropping on the, the uncaged podcast? YouTube feed. Later on this week, we interviewed Ensign. Anyway, incident away is a Hawaiian Borg. Japanese American former MMA fighter, turned coach who you know, I won't spoil too much but to give you the like the ESPN like Mike Greenberg leaden off his 20, professional fights are. As I said in the show that we recorded maybe the least interesting part of his life, he's been to prison. He is a Yakuza affiliate here, he's tied in with the Japanese underworld. He's a current mixed martial arts coach over in Japan. Incredibly awesome. Interesting entertaining, fun guy wage. I think he's going to have his own. Show set up happening soon. So anybody out there who's interested in my May who is a fan of Ensign, might see some content from him coming soon, you'll definitely see it on our feed its uncaged podcast. It'll be coming soon. Will also are getting ready to release finally after a long. Wait, part. One of our long-form documentary series on Diamond, Dustin Poirier. Hm, I'm curious. What's what's how do you spell his name Jones? Instagram Dustin's or ensigns engine? So Ensign Nua is spelled e, n s o n. Ino you'e dude I've seen this guy Oliver Instagram before I knew, I knew it. I heard that animals. Like I've seen this guy right and I have he's from Hawaii and I love Hawaii and I'm like a nerd about Hawaii. But yeah. So he he's born in Honolulu. He moved to Japan in his early twenties to pursue racquetball. He was like a accomplished on a World level racquetball player him and his brother decided that you know, while in Hawaii gotten a lot of street fights and decided he wanted to learn how to defend himself and it's turned from there, he had his first pro fight in his late twenties. And from there, it took off home, send me that interview when it comes out. I want to see it. Okay, Austin. I love you so much man. Thank you for your time. Great stuff as always today and I, I think that's everything I have possibly to come back. Is that that you too will be back? We've got a lot of hockey to still be played account with talk about it more but I think for now we have exhausted what we needed to talk about, all right? We'll be back guys, but I'm bummed. Am we are done dead?
#355 NHL Playoffs Extravaganza
"321. Oh my goodness, good morning, good afternoon, whatever it is for you. I hope you're having a fantastic day. Name is Zach, similar too, strong of any sports episode. 355, welcome, and I am calling this episode, my NHL playoffs Extravaganza and not recording in the middle around 1, you'll hear about my plan for the NHL playoffs down the road. I'm going to try to report a podcast about every round kind of recap around 1 and then a preview around to I kind of between every round. One thing that I am recording this in between two episodes so interviews. So what you'll see in this episode is too long form, interviews, one with Nathan Shield, a guy who I love I gave him as a hockey expert. I want to introduce him to you, he's phenomenal, and by the way, him a nice conversation. We had never talked in person at all and, you know, even well, I guess never talked at all, let alone face-to-face dead. You know, on on throughout through a camera before our conversations, I thought we started a cool and we got warmer as it went on and then also we had a delay where I would say stuff. And then there's a delay with a then he would start talking. And I think it took us about ten minutes where we figured it out but man, I'm really proud of that. It's a great conversation. I learned a lot. I had so much fun. I think we talked for like an hour. I mean, we really had a great time. Then later after that interview, I'm going to do an interview in about an hour. With a really good friend of mine, Austin cram, who is a, he's got MMA podcast. He's really cool and I, he is the person who introduced me to hockey when I was a kid. His dad had season tickets and they used to take me to go watch hockey games. And I, it's where I fell in love with one key. And I gotta be honest, I I love hockey. I don't feel like I have the tools in the toolbox to follow hockey between time and bandwidth and everything I have going on, I rely on them. Like Austin and Nathan and tell me what's going on. So they're, they're going to come on today. We're going to talk about hockey and have a blast and I I'm just not realizing as I'm recording. I'm talking to a camera. So for audio, you don't care. One pair of headphones is here. The other pair headphones is here. I'm not, you're seeing my ears for the first time in maybe a year. I haven't shown my ears on the podcast and page here, so hey, look at these big elephant ears. Welcome in guys. Hello, guys, I had a blast talking about hockey with Nathan about to record the next interview with Austin cram please. Now am enjoy the NHL playoff, Extravaganza interview one right now with Nathan Shield. Hello everyone, welcome in joining the Optima, right? You can't see him, we got like five five computers in here, Nathan Shield, a guy who I am really excited to talk to hockey expert, Nathan, how are you? I'm pretty good. How about you I'm doing? Well, I first of all, I I'm going to ask a lot of questions here. If I was talking about football or basketball, I could very easily with no need. I know the answers, I don't know the answers to a lot of the questions I'm going to ask you today and the things I'm trying to understand and you follow hockey, much more closely than I do. And so I was like, look, I want to talk about hockey but I can't I can't do a job myself at all and so I hope you know, like, I I am coming to you as a, a brand new, like, not very informed child to ask a lot of questions, and I'm real excited about this. Yeah, perfect. I'm I'm excited to talk hockey. I think if we met first of all, what is there anything? It's really surprised you so far about the NHL playoffs Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest thing right now is really how competitive it is. I mean, you look at the field, normally, in a normal season, there's normally a few teams or it's like, yeah, they're kind of just here for the first round, but it seems like this season. There's, there's a lot of teams that really have a real chance if they can win their first round match up. I mean, you never know how far they could go. So that's that's been really, really apparent to me early age. What happened, especially with the Panthers and the lightning, there was a bunch of Social Media stuff going on, and I was like, looking up what happened to the Carolina Panthers in the NFL like did Sam, darnold get hurt like, what's happening? Like, oh no, doubt, you'll playoffs are happening. And so I think it came with something went on with the lightning in the Panthers. And I saw scootermagruder a guy who I follow on Twitter was like panthers fans. You want to talk about it and like talk about what? I don't know if you know what he was referring to but I something has been happening in that series. Yeah, yeah. So this is this is an interesting series and I'm, I'm a Panthers fan. Personally. So I've been watching these pretty closely but it's kind of the first time. There's really been a true rivalry in South Florida. Tampa has been traditionally pretty good. They've won Stanley Cups before two of them. The Panthers made Iran, but they haven't really been good in the wild. So, for the first time they're really good. Job of Tampa is obviously coming off of a Stanley Cup Championship, so they're really good as well. So it's been really back and forth referees have kind of been letting them play. So I know both teams have been a little upset with that, but it's been a fog series 3-1 right now. But both teams are giving it their all. It's a close closer match up than it is on paper. Who do you think so right now game five is a Monday. Tampa Bay leads 321 ribs Camp of a lightning in Florida Panthers I'm curious. Do you think Tampa is going to finish the series on Monday or is there I think it's going to be extended longer Yeah, I mean, that's a tough question. The Panthers are going back home. They're going to play in their their own arena for game five. The BB&T Center and there's increased capacity in the arena so they're going to have 75% of the fans so I think they could feed off that energy, maybe pull out a win, but I think Tampa is a little too good for them right now and and there's been questions about the Panthers goaltending. So I think Tampa will cross it out on Monday. What makes Tampa better? Yeah. I mean Tampa is just pretty much good all over the ice. I mean, if you look at hockey it's kind of unlike any other sport because there's so many guys on the ice during the game. I mean there's four lines of Ford so there's normally 12 Ford's on the ice. I mean not on the ice but in the game so there's going to be a lot of different players playing so you can't just have one star player really impact the game. Like you can another Sports Tampa has a lot of really good players throughout their lineup. A lot of guys who kind of go under-appreciated wage maybe by the average fan that are really good players. They just kind of our secondary and Tampa's line up cuz they're so talented. So that's been big and they have off arguably the best goaltender in the world and Andrei vasilevskiy. So he's pretty hard to beat and I've heard you talk about goaltenders lot, like a quarterback in football where there's only one and they really dictate wage. There you can win or lose and hockey. Correct? Yeah yeah they're crucial if you want to win. About the Carolina Hurricanes at the Nashville. Predators that game is happening. Literally in like a couple of minutes. I think it just started actually a game for today Carolina leads to, to one. Who you think's going to win the series M. Yeah, I got to go with Carolina. Carolina is really good. It's, it's kind of interesting right now. A lot of the teams in the South are really emerging is really good Carolina. Panthers, both have never been phenomenal. I mean, Caroline has won a Stanley Cup, but it was about twelve years ago. So it's really the first time they've been good in a bit as well. And they're both got a great goalie. He's a really good story as well. He was actually waived by the the Hurricanes which means anyone in the NHL, if they wanted to pay the price for him, they could pick him up so they do have them about at the beginning of the Season, about 4 months ago, and he's on an entry level deal. So, so cheapest contract you can get and no one no one wanted to pick him up. And he's just been a great story, he's been really good. He's a young guy, never really got a chance but he he's taking advantage of the opportunity and been phenomenal. So they're really good up-and-down up as well. I mean they're they could be Tampa and come out of the Central Division. They're they're phenomenal team and they're really well-coached. What was that guy's name? The young guy. Yeah. His name's Alex nedeljkovic off a goaltender. He's he's won. So cool and the AHL a lot, but he's just never really cracked the line up in the NHL, so it's awesome to see him. Get his opportunity to take advantage. That's a good story. It's pretty cool. How about the Colorado Avalanche and the st. Louis Blues. Game Forest today, Colorado leads 3-2. Nothing is Colorado going to win today. Yeah, Colorado is going to win for sure, Colorado is I think the best team in the NHL right now? I mean they have a phenomenal GM. Joe sakic who has really been building this team for a while. They've got a lot of good pieces wage They've got really good. A lot of good young guys, too. They've drafted really well, like I said, goaltending is strong too. I mean, they they are just phenomenal up and down the lineup. Oh man, I just blank Nathan MacKinnon. Is arguably the best player in the NHL. He's on the first line, they get Gabriel landeskog and Mikko rantanen who are both phenomenal players as well. They're, they're both all three of them are probably top twenty-five players in the NHL and they play together. So, they're deadly and then their defensemen are really good to. They got former husband, they're all under I believe, twenty-five. And they're all really, really good. And they're all pretty cheap because they're young players. So they're, they're kind of in a fortunate situation right now. Whereas, if everyone was kind of making the money, they deserved, they would be, they wouldn't be able to afford this team, but because they got a lot of young guys, it's a little more affordable, so They're, they're kind of built to win right now. Colorado, one, the, what is it? The Presidents Trophy, which is the award for having the best regular-season record is that? I don't even know what that means. Is that, is that just a trophy there? Like, congrats, but, you know, actually get anything for that. Just give you an advantage in the playoffs. How does that factor into the playoffs at all? If at all? No. So that actually doesn't give you any advantage. If you talked to some hockey analyst, they'll say gives you a disadvantage because traditionally, you win the playoffs. The Presidents Trophy. You probably will not win the Stanley Cup. That's just with what the statistics say. But there's been a few teams recently that have kind of proven that theory wrong so I don't think it'll affect Colorado too much. I think it's just a bit of a confidence-booster going to the playoffs for them. What's the the there is it like you're worn out from going so hard in the regular season? Didn't rest enough like I know the Warriors a couple of years ago had that incredible record and they were worried like, well they they just did everything they could to early and ran out of steam at the end dead. Yeah, I think that's part of it. A lot of people think that maybe it makes you a little too comfortable. Maybe you're taking people lightly. I'm not really sure why it is. But a lot of teams just wanted have have just not gone on to win. I don't think a team has won it and then won the Stanley Cup. Until I think our sense 2012-2013 when the Blackhawks did it. So it's been a while. I didn't know that. How about the next game? Another game today? Game 5, Boston, leads 321. It's the Boston Bruins, and the Washington Capitals. I got to say, I've always got to go to a game in Boston. You be really, really cool who you think's going to win this series? Boston, 321 play in today, just Boston close it out today. I'm not sure these games. So as you mentioned, there are 3 to 1 and every game has gone to overtime this far. So these teams are really evenly matched. Both really talented teams, but I think Boston does have the edge just cuz they have the momentum there back in Boston. So, I think they're going to close it out, but I don't think it's going to be easy to probably go to overtime again. I mean that song must watch t to me, like the Washington Capitals, trying to stay alive in a must-win scenario and a division in a in a series where it's gone to overtime. So many times, I mean, I I might even turn off later today. That does sound fun. Yeah, that's that's been a really fun series to watch. They're both really talented teams who I think whoever wins this series could make a Deep Run cuz they're both really talented of the Edmonton Oilers and the Winnipeg Jets game 3 today. Winnipeg's up to zero. I'm just curious, you know, this here is just starting off still What do you think's going to happen? What team is better and why? Yeah, this is a kind of an interesting one as well. Because if you look at the regular season records, because just because of, the way, the NHL is structured this year, you didn't play any games outside of your division. So because Edmonton and Winnipeg or in the north ended up playing each other seven times. So they know each other pretty well off and Edmonton dominated the series in the regular season. But in the playoffs, they just haven't been able to get it done. Winnipeg has a really strong goaltender, he won the Vezina Trophy home years ago for the or last season. Excuse me, for the best goalie in the NHL, he's really good young guy. I think twenty-five Connor hellebuyck, he's phenomenal. So he's been really kind of the backbone for life right now. He's frankly, he stole the first two games because Edmonton is one of the best offensive teams in the NHL. They have Connor McDavid. Who's If arguably the best player in the NHL, I say probably is he's put up video game numbers. This year, he's really really good and they have they just have a lot of really good for words so they score a touchdown goals so to see them get shut down. Like Winnipeg has it's pretty impressive but I think Edmonton's going to come back. They haven't won a playoff series in a while, so they kind of need to do it this year. So, Winnebago shutdown. Basically, the NHL's highest leading scorer is that it's like, that's a big deal. Yeah, I mean Connor McDavid and his linemate on the left wing. Leon, draisaitl are number one, and number two in points. So you get a goal or an assist, you get a point there, number one, and two like them, unbelievably dominant on the ice together. Especially so the fact that they've been limited by Winnipeg is is frankly like unbelievable Winnipeg has been really, really good month off, so I think I owe a lot of credit to their coach. Paul, Maurice is one of the best coaches in the NHL, in my opinion. And he, he seems to have Edmonton figured out, so Something's Gotta Gotta Give here if Winnipeg wants to keep the series going, cuz if they go down three nothing, I think they're done. Well, that is cool, but the NHL is, it's it's more impressive to me. If you create a great game plan in the NFL and you shut down Patrick Mahomes one-time. Hey, great. Well done, but to do it in multiple games, that's really that's much more impressive to me and I think it's fun to compare and talk about the differences. But I really, I think that that's a big deal. I think should be talked about. Mm. Just it's not been one game like in in the NFL, it's multiple games in the series, they shut them down. Yeah, yeah, I mean, the first game was won nothing. So to do that against a team, like, Edmonton wage pretty unbelievable. I'm not sure how they're doing it frankly, because in the regular season, they couldn't figure them out at all. They they just kept losing and losing to Edmonton. They couldn't they couldn't beat him at. Also the fact that they figured it out now is is pretty unbelievable. I got to tell you a story real quick, I will talk to the Minnesota Wild the moment. I think, by the way, the Minnesota Wild have my favorite team name and sports, I think I say wild a lot and I don't know, I don't know where I got that, but I was like, oh that's wild and then I look at that team and I love it when I was talking one time but the Denver Broncos, I completely blanked on Joelle last name. I was like they're GM. That guy that quarterback the dude who was like a Hall of Famer. Like I I remember like everything like his dog's name and I could remember his name at all and they're dead. Home at like two games. The ogre talking about your like you kind of blank for a second. I just want to courage you man. Dude if you fucking forget a name no big deal like I I forgotten like Hall of Fame players named I'm like and people get mad. If it's like dude come on I know what I'm talking about like, you know your stuff. I don't I just I think it's funny. I I it reminded me of that moment because they're I it's hard people forget off hard. It is to talk into a microphone for hours at a time and just you have all this information going through your head. And I just wanted to remind you and encourage you of that. I think that's funny. Yeah. I mean when you know what you want to say, it's kind of you kind of start tripping over, you know, you're like, oh, I want to hit this, this this and this. But yeah. All right, I'll keep that in mind, man. That is pretty funny, though. I'll dude, I got, I got so much anger. It's like, of course, I know the dude's name. I was in the moment. I forgot. Like, you know, your mind goes blank. Let's talk about the Minnesota Wild and the Golden Knights game 5 is tonight. As Monday, excuse me, game 5 is Monday Thursday. I guess is up 321. What do you have to say about this series? Yeah, I mean, this is this is one of the few Series where it's pretty one-sided. I mean, Carolina is a similar situation where Nashville just isn't competitive right now. They're not good enough right now. To really put up a true Challenge and that's kind of how it is for Minnesota and they're good. They do have they have a lot of young guys who I think will improve. I think they're going to be a team to look out for in the future, but right now, they just don't have the star power to compete with Vegas. I mean, Vegas has a ton of Superstar players Mark Stone on that on the first line. He's a right-wing. He's phenomenal, Jonathan Marsh is on the, on the 2nd line is really good and their their goaltender off. Marc-Andre Fleury is a Hall of Famer. He's I think top five in playoff wins, he has three Stanley Cups. And that thirty-six, he's playing some of his best hockey of his career. It's it's pretty remarkable so long. Vegas is is going to win this next game and close it out and I think they are a team to watch for the Stanley Cup as well because they're that good to Vegas could be a team that could win it all. Yeah, no doubt. They have down there there, an expansion team, but they've kind of went against the traditional route. They kind of an older team. So they need to win within the next year, or two or three like this year or next year off, maybe the following if they don't, they're going to be a tough situation cuz they got a lot of old players on Long contracts. So the pressure is on for Vegas right now and the window is closing. It sounds like yeah yeah the window is generally closing. They're going to run out of cap room here soon. If they don't win it, this year they're going to be in a real tough position financially and they're going to have a lot of old players who may start to decline as well as the Boston series. Really excites me, I'm going to watch a game tonight. Then you also have a series tied to to to the New York Islanders and the Pittsburgh Penguins talking about that Series game 5 is on Monday off. That sounds exciting to be like close fun to to to Big markets, too big names. Talking about that Series. Yeah, so I mean, this is, this is one of my favorite series right now, talk to, I think this one is really interesting because Pittsburgh, you know, even if you don't know hockey, you probably know Sidney Crosby. You know, the penguins have been dominant in the past and they're trying to do it again. That that have Crosby and Evgeni Malkin who's also been a superstar in his career, he's going to be Hall of Famer along with Crosby and they're they're just they've just been good for a long time so she can't really count them out. I don't love their depth. They don't they don't get a ton of depth scoring though. They did get Jeff. Carter at the trade deadline, who was a little old, some thought he was maybe washed up but he's came in. He's not really good for the Penguins since they required him. Goaltending has been a question mark for the Penguins as well so if they lose I think that's going to be the reason. But don't count out the Islanders either, they're really good team as well. I mean, there's a reason it's too too. They get a lot of depth scoring. They can score pretty much from anywhere. They're really well-coached their coach want to stand took two years ago with Washington. So they're a good team. They play more of a defensive game so it's not as exciting but they squeak out victories and they made a Deep Run last year. So both of these teams are really good. This is a really good series now I'm taking notes, I think it's interesting. I want to ask about Sidney Crosby because I he's in your sixteen, he's thirty-three years old. And if if you're watching a football fan or like like Formula One or a school and you not not a hockey guy which I don't know how you would be here. But if you are somehow this far into the video and the podcast and you've never done, you don't follow what the NHL, everybody knows sitting Crosby. I mean, if you are an American, anybody in America who follow Sports to some degree, it's heard that name before, what stage of his career is he, is he still playing at a high level 33 down Engine in a sport, you're sixteen years of your career and hockey. Your body is beat up what stage of his career is he at right now? Yeah. I mean, like I said, Crosby and bulky and they've kind of back together for a while and they're, they're still pretty Dynamic. They're both good players. They're both, they both still put up a lot of points, but I think a lot of people, I think the consensus around those two is dead. They need to get it done this year or next, or else. The wheels are going to fall off because they're really the heart and soul of the team. If they don't perform, the team doesn't perform, so they kind of need to get it done while they're, they're both still playing at a high level. Because I think you're going to start to see a decline especially in bulk and probably next year and Crosby. I think he maybe has two or three good years left off, but I don't know if they're going to be back in a situation like this, so they, the pressure is on for them to win now as well. So, this is like their opportunity. So, as I look around, you'd have Edmonton beating when Winnipeg beating Edmonton, that's a surprise. That's exciting. It's interesting. There's another question, you know, can Pittsburgh getting a win or can they have another good run? Kind of like one of their final. It's kinda reminds me of Drew Brees in the NFL where you have this Hall of Fame player who your kind of wondering. Kenny make one more run at the end of his career. That's kind of where we're supposed to be correct. Yeah. Yeah. Crosby's won three Stanley Cups. So it's it's really the Quest for that last one. I know a lot of voices in Pittsburgh are saying, you know, we got, let's get one more for for malk and let's get one more off cause be closed. It out with four because I don't know if they'll be able to make another run without those two. They're going to have to go through a series rebuild. So they're just trying to get one more, I think in this era and then they're going to have to walk to lure rebuild and and you're going to see an entirely different team in Pittsburgh. So that would be a good story. Do they actually have a legitimate shot to win? Yeah, I mean, I think the Islanders are pretty good so if they can gain The Islanders, I think that would be a real confidence boost for their team. They, I mean, they still have a lot of good players. I'm not really sure if they can make a Deep Run. Like I said, goaltending has been a question mark, But if they can get solid goaltending, I don't see why they couldn't make a deep push. Especially if Crosby is playing at the level. We've seen him traditionally in the playoffs home. Absolutely. The last year is I want to talk about the Toronto Maple Leafs at the Montreal. Canadiens game, 3 is Monday series tied 1-1, Zack. And that sounds competitive and fun. When I just read you, it's two teams in college too big names that I know the series is tied, 1-1 game. Three coming up. Is that a my assumption is based on just knowing that that's going to be fun Series. Yeah, yeah, this is an awesome series. Frankly down Toronto is, is really good this year. They have the best team they've had in. Probably twenty five years, I mean, maybe even longer they're, they're really talented this year off. So the pressure is really on because a Canadian team hasn't won the Stanley Cup in a long time. So a lot of eyes are on them to make a run. They have auston Matthews. Who's a young American kid. He's phenomenal, he's off the most goals in the NHL this year and they have, they have a really good talented young team. But goaltending has been an issue all year they have, they had Frederick Anderson took their starter for a long time. He, he went down early in the season so they had backup Jack Campbell step in. He's been good but he's never really started in the NHL before in his career. So if they don't win, I think it's probably going to be on the goal-tending. Meanwhile Montreal doesn't have the talent up front like Toronto. They don't get a ton of goal-scoring. They have they have some good young players but the depth isn't there? Like it is Toronto I mean Toronto can score from anywhere where Montreal pretty much only gets worn from their top two lines, the third and fourth line. Don't contribute a whole whole lot offensively but in that they have or one of the best goalies in the NHL and Carey Price, so he's really the reason they won game one, so he's going to need to be good if they want to continue to win this series. But I think Toronto off as a little too much urgency right now a little too much pressure on them to lose this first-round matchup. I want to ask about the MVP award because hockey does a weird thing where weirds the wrong word volt, they don't just call the MVP award they call it the Hart Trophy and it's I always struggle because there's like I have to remember the names and how they correlate with other Awards in the NHL, who's your favorite and who do you talk to about them? Award in the heart of where the Hart Memorial Trophy. And what do you think should and will happen? Yeah, I mean the heart is a really interesting trophy because like you said it's most valuable players. So there's a lot of different ways to look at it. I mean, it's supposed to be most valuable player to your team versus most valuable to the like within the league. So your team could be horrible. But if you're the best player of the only reason they're winning, you could win the Hart Trophy in theory. So there's a lot of players that have kind of been in the conversation, but I would say personally, I would probably give it off in Matthews, in Toronto, he he really drives their offense. He scores a ton of goals. He's kind of the heart and soul of the team. So I think I would give it to him. But there's a lot of different players who could win it this year. I'm really interested to see who the jurors select Well, I would imagine it's similar to the NFL quarterbacks. Where is it true? Our goal is often in the conversation simply because of their the importance of to their team. Yeah, yeah. So a lot of times, if you see a goalie when it's going to be because their team is not very good, and they're pretty much the reason that they they're competitive. So that goalie for the wage is I just touched on Carey Price. He wanted back in 2014-15 when they were not a very talented team and he was Undoubtedly, the best goalie in the NHL and he was stealing them games regularly so that he was the last goalie to win it. But yeah, if a goalie wins, it is traditionally because their team is struggling and they're pretty much rely upon their goalie to bail. Now every night in night out, is that something you can measure with numbers cuz I know often MVP awards and early. Any word comes down to statistics and if you don't have statistics, people really struggle to latch onto that. Is there a way with goalies playing out a bath team doing? Well, is there a way to do that with numbers? Or is that just something you have to watch the film and be like, yeah, no, this dude on a terrible team is carrying. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's kind of with it's kind of tricky. It's kind of like quarterbacks where you don't see a lot of the, the highlights because I mean there's a lot of highlights that you miss because their team will mess up. So, a receiver drops a pass. It's kind of like, when a a defenseman will like Miss a read or something like that. Like a goalie could make a phenomenal play or a quarterback. Could make it phenomenal play. But because his teammates don't help them out. He's kind of left out to dry so long. It's kind of tricky. I mean there's there's Advanced analytics that you can use that will kind of highlight that stuff but I think, for the most part in more comes down to watching and saying, yeah, this guy is phenomenal, he's, he's pretty much the only reason they're in this game. I think that's probably the best way to do it. What about Connor? McDavid David? Yeah, he's he's always in the mix. Yeah. McDavid is. I think most people would agree. He's, he's probably the best offensive player in the NHL. I don't know about all around, but he's definitely in the mix. He's been really, really good. He's putting up the most points per game since Mario Lemieux, who's another probably top ten player of all time, maybe top five. So he's having a phenomenal year. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to be honest. Because he's, he's putting up video game numbers. Like I said, in 56 games, he has a month and Five Points. So that means you're scoring a goal. A goal and an assist pretty much every game more intuitive every game. That's crazy. I was watching I worked at an MLS game. The last two weekends and I wanted to blow my brains out and I was a literally, all I could think when I was watching soccer was May, I wish I was watching hockey, cuz I there are some parallels, but they're, they're tougher. They don't like roll on the ground. Go like, please, like, trying to get a call, they you touch them. They just get up and move on. And they, hockey has got more scoring, not an absurd amount, but it's entertaining. It's fun. It's exciting. And you have guys who can score? The fact that he scored is he averaging over to a game? That's unbelievable. Yeah, that has a hundred Five Points in 56 games. So a little less than two, but I think it's like One. I think it's like, 1.7 something like that and he's, he's putting up like an assist every game. At least any scoring like Sixty percent of the time. So he's he's really, really good. Like he is unbelievably good. So why is he not the consensus MVP is that? Because he has a lot of help and I you know his team may not need in the same way about a bad team. Might need a really good players. That that accurate like is it valuable? Or is it best? Cuz they are different. Yeah exactly. So that's kind of the thing with the Hart Trophy where it's kind of hard to to say like the Chicago Blackhawks this year we're not very good. They missed the playoffs but they have Patrick Kane who has won the award before he's, he's American guy. He's really good for sure. Hall of Famer and he's been pretty much. They're only player. They have another star player who was out all season so he was in the conversation for a while. I'm not sure how high he ranks now but it's it's really tricky because it's most valuable to your team. So it's really hard to judge. A lot of people will look at it differently. Yeah. When I do my SOS NFL awards I get About a player of the year I gave that to Aaron Rodgers cuz it's fun. Like it's the best numbers and who's like dominating and then they give out a most important player where I give that to Tom Brady in Tampa because he, in the NFL went from a went to a team that was bad, the year before and took him to a Superbowl. And I go that's important versus Player of the Year. And any any League that has MVP award? I got like, okay, is it best player? Or is it most important? There's always a debate run, any kind of MVP award. Yeah, It's Tricky. I'm, I've gone back and forth with a few different players, but I think there's probably three or four people who are really in the mix. I think you'll probably see Nathan MacKinnon who's in Colorado. He's, he's phenomenal. He's him. And McDavid are probably one and two right now in the NHL, you'll probably Crosby in the mix again because he's been phenomenal, auston Matthews in Toronto and I'd say those are probably the top four. It's Crosby dead. Because he's that good or because he's older and kind of a star and people like, is he is it marketing? Or is he is he really deserved to be in the mix? I think he deserves to be in the mix. He's definitely slowed down is not, he's not the elite player. He used to be. He's still really, really, really good. Don't get me wrong, but he's not a top. He's not a top four player in the NHL right now, but not for his team. He's kind of he's our captain. He's kind of the guy in Pittsburgh. So if he doesn't perform, it kind of brings the whole team down so he's been really important to them. If it was best, I don't think you would win it but because it's the MVP most valuable to your team. I think he might he might get it though. I'm not sure he will. I'm curious cuz I and I asked this out of ignorance, I literally do not know the answer to this question. How do the playoffs work under? You have East, you have West, you have North and Central. So where do we go? We're in round one, they play each other. Then where do they go from here? Does he play the West as North play Central like what happens next? Okay. Yeah. So this this is a good question because it's different than here. So, if you knew how the playoffs worked previously, it's a different structure entirely this year because of Play. Whoever is the fourth seed based on the regular season results. That's why the Presidents Trophy was more important than usual this year. So of Colorado, makes out of the West. They'll get the truck, blue easier, matchup in the final four. And then same goes for two and three, and then from there you'll go to the Stanley Cup finals. I'm curious. I'd love to doing exercise. Can we run through every team in the playoffs? And what what I want to do is hear from you. They have a shot or they don't. So like the Nashville, Predators don't have a shot in my opinion, right? That's I think you would agree with that. After that, I'm really curious. Do the Carolina Hurricanes have a shot off. Yes. Carolina. How deep you want me to go on the answers? You go sleep, if you want. I mean, this is all for fun for me. I want to hear nerdy hockey stuff. Go ahead. Okay. Yeah, I know is, is really well-coached their, their their coach Rod brind'amour, one them, their last Stanley Cup, he was the captain of the team, then he's coaching now. So I think would be a really awesome story. If he want it off, they have good goaltending. Like I said, good forward depth. So I think they could they could win it for sure. The Florida Panthers. They have a shot. Not not gonna win. But are they even a, is it a possibility? It's, it's a possibility goaltending has been a question. So you may see rookie goaltender go in for game five. He's he played this season at Boston University, But he went in the first round two years ago so he's played I think five NHL games, he's been really good but he's he hasn't been tested in the playoffs yet. So with goaltending to be a question mark they might track him. He's number three on the depth chart so it would be a old move but I wouldn't be surprised to see it and if he plays well, They could make Iran. If he gets hot they can make a run but we'll see what happens. I'm not counting them out but I wouldn't bet on him either. So it sounds like know to be almost where like I guess they have. No I guess I ask. You did have a shout. So they had shot, have a legitimate chance, they have a chance, but it's, it's closing, is closing. Every every few minutes, I guess, every game, it's gotten smaller. The Tampa Bay Lightning do they had shot at a title? Yes, Tampa won it. Last year, they're coming back with the same team. Pretty much. Yeah, on paper. They're pretty much the exact same team they were last year so they have a solid shot. I know the answer to this but it's fun to hear your answer as well. I would say my, my dumbass analysis would say that the Pittsburgh Penguins have a shot to win a title. Do you agree with ya? I mean, this is, this is a tricky segment because like I said, there's there's only a few teams where they don't really have a real chance. But I think Pittsburgh, I mean, Pittsburgh could do it. If, if goaltending can play the way it needs to, they have a chance. But if goaltending doesn't figure out, if they can figure out goaltending, they're not going to. They're not, they might not even make it past the first round. It's fun because it'd be cool. It's a good story to watch a hero, the name, I know and hockey win. One final, you know, title near the end of this year, that'd be fun and exciting. And do you think he would retire if he won this year? I'm not sure. I don't think he would, but he might just say, you know, he's played for a long time, you made the years, he made the the NHL as an eighteen-year-old he's played like over a thousand games. So he might win and say, you know what, let me, let me go out while I'm on top, but I think he's still got a few good years left of them. So I don't know, Never Say Never I guess based on the little I know about him watching interviews and he's like, the literally the only hockey player I'm like, I know something about him, right? I, it's cuz everyone always asked that question. When you get older and you win. It's like, are you going to leave? I don't think he cares about leaving on top. I would imagine he's like, man, I got cuz of how I would look at it. If I was thirty three at sixteen years. In my hockey career, I'd be like well like man, I I can live the rest of my life retired, like I don't, I always have the beach, I always have my house in the mountains. I always I'm going to have that. I'm probably never again in my lifetime going to get an opportunity. In fact. I know for a fact I'm not going to get an opportunity to play in the NHL at any level. So I might as well I think they would Tom Brady. Looks at it too. In the NFL is I'm going to take advantage of this moment and squeeze every little ounce of juice. I can get out of that orange. Yeah. I think the Tom Brady analysis comparison is is very Very fair, I guess because they're both consensus Hall of Famers. I mean, Tom, Brady is probably one of the best football. Players of all-time Crosby is definitely a top ten player of all time, if not higher, I would probably say six or seven, may maybe even top five if you can keep winning. So, I think he's going to keep playing. See what he can do and just keep increasing numbers. Breaking records. Just I don't know, keeping the best, I guess. Yeah, the Washington Capitals. Do they have a, they have a shot at a title? Yeah. Washington death is a chance. They want it two years ago. They have a lot of the big names. Still, they have Alex Ovechkin, who's often compared to Crosby because he came into the, the league A year later. He was one of the best goal scorers of all time. He's also getting older, so they kind of are in a position where let's get 140 V, let's win it now, get him one more because he's only one, one Stanley Cup in his career dead. Goaltending. This seems to be a common theme right now, but goaltending is a question mark there for sure, but they have a good good coach and Peter Laviolette, I think they have a solid chance if they can be Boston, which is looking unlikely right now. Well, I'm curious, you know, if you have a so I would say you have a shot vs, er, a favorite in, in hockey. Like, if you have a question a goaltending, it would definitely make you not a favorite correct? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. The Boston Bruins, they have a shot. Yeah. Boston has a good shot this year. They got they had a lot of really good forwards and they got Taylor Hall at the deadline deadline. I know that name to wow. Oh yeah yeah, Taylor Hall one. The the Hart Trophy I think two or three years ago he's he's a really good player but he went to Buffalo and free agency who was To put it lightly a dumpster fire this year, they were they lost sixteen games straight at one point. They were horrible. So they really had no choice with Taylor all, because he's on a one-year deal, it was either trade him know, get something or lose them in the free-agent market for nothing. But because of the Season, he had because he was playing on such a poor team, they've really didn't get anything for him. So Boston got him at a bargain price and he's been really good. I think he has two or three goals in the playoffs already and he's been a difference-maker for them. Did Taylor Hall just cash out and kind of sell out a little bit and say I know I'm not going to win but I'll go to the scenes. They're paying me a lot. Yeah, I'm not really sure why he went to Buffalo. Some say he has like a good connection with the coach or something. I'm not, I'm not really sure what he was thinking because in the free-agent Market before he had signed, he was talking about, I want to win, you know, this and that song. It really just didn't make a lot of sense to go to Buffalo. I mean, they have Jack eichel, who's one of the better young players in the league, but because he's been in Buffalo, his entire career, he's really struggled at times. So it really didn't make any sense right from the start. They didn't have the talent to make the playoffs. I think that was pretty evident even in free agency. So I'm not really sure why he did that. I think he wanted to go to Boston but they didn't offer him enough money at the time but I guess it ended out working out ended up working out because he's on Boston now and he's in the playoffs and he's making a difference so that's awesome. The Islanders New York Islanders. Do they have a chance at a title? Yeah I think the Islanders have a good chance. They they are pretty solid all-around. Life is a tough opponent in the first round. They struggled against them in the regular season but they're well-coached, they have good goaltending, good defense, good depth, scoring their their team where if they were a little bit strong, I'd say they're our favorite but they're definitely, they definitely have a, a chance that East is crazy. Pittsburgh, the capitals, the Bruins Islanders like they're all so close and so competitive is that accurate. Yeah. The east division is super strong this year there, there's a ton of good teams in the East Division. There's a few teams as well that miss the playoffs that were really good last year. Philadelphia, Flyers, they kind of struggled down the stretch but they, they have a lot of talent. They have their goaltending was was struggling this year, so it didn't really work out, but they made the playoffs last year. Won a series of the ranges are good young team to. If they weren't in the East, they might have made the playoffs as well. So that's, that's been a tough division. They're all really close with the points as well. So that's been a fun one to watch. All season. Pull up the north for the time. Being will start in Colorado. I would even ask. Not only does Colorado. Have a shot? Are the Colorado Avalanche? A favorite to win the NHL title? Yeah, I think calling have a phone number. It might be even an understatement. The NHL does the bracket challenge? I think they got, like, 55% of the vote. They're, they're both really good to have a goalie Who's won a Stanley Cup before Philipp grubauer. He won with Washington a few years ago. Like I said, Nathan MacKinnon is top three maybe top two players in the NHL. They have they can score anywhere. They've got really good young defenseman. They are just flat-out unbelievable and they they know they need to win now. So they've been dominating and that in this first series against Saint. Louis, how did Colorado build their team? Like how do they get to this point where they're so dominant? I'm not really sure how to put it. I brought I want to say, they got lucky a little bit with some drafting, but I think that might be a little disingenuous to them because They they're one of those teams where they're GM is just on a unbelievable job. I mean, because they've been good for a while. They don't get these super high picks. I mean Nathan MacKinnon, a first overall pick in 2013, I believe. But other than that, a lot of their Superstar players have they've gotten later in the draft. So it's been pretty crazy. They've got going by Rome is a, a young guy. They just got him last, you know, last draft of the, the prior I can't remember but they got him at like 19 and he's he's already in the NHL. He's already making a difference from they've got like they get a lot of good guys and late in the first round in the second round. Where a lot of these guys, you don't know if they're going to pan out, but they always seem to pan out in Colorado. I'm not really sure how they've done it, but they've they've really built from the draft and it's it's really impressive. Well, it's for sure it's it's probably both it's more luck and upper dead. And preparation kind of meet each other here, that I forget, the quote, I wish I remembered that sound smarter, but it's kind of like opportunities where they meet each other and I, it sounds like for sure. They got lucky some of the stuff hand out, but there must be, I watch the Colts who draft every year in the NFL, they are dominant. And I, I know some people in the Colts building and what they talk about the way they build that organization. Like, they have a philosophy, they have a strategy in a plan and it clearly works very well Colorado. Well for sure there's luck involved. I like how you mentioned like I might be a bit disingenuous cuz they're also is some level of them just good at what they do. They're good at drafting and developing players to. Yeah yeah and they've made a lot of like really smart trades. They made a trade with San Jose, the ended up giving him the 4th overall pick off and that was kind of a throw-in. It was kind of a if this happens you'll get this pick ended up being the 4th overall pick. So that might have been a bit lucky because San Jose kind of thought they were in a position where they were dead. A competitive for a while, and it just didn't work out that way. So, that was pretty fortunate. But they've turned, like I said, they've turned a lot of kind of late round picks where you don't really know what you're getting into legitimate NHL players. So it's been pretty crazy. The, the window is closing do in Colorado, right? Because at some point, that I can be able to afford other young players as they get older and what new contracts correct on defense. They have often just pull up the line up so I can get the the pears right. They have right off the bat. They have camel car, who's probably a top-four NHL defenseman right now, he played college hockey for a few years, as long as Amherst, and he kind of broke, he kind of broke onto the scene, like immediately. He's really good. He's on his rookie deal still. So he's going to get paid a lot, then they have davantes, who's kind of an odd guy. He's like twenty-five or twenty-six, so he's making decent money, but he'll probably want to raise because he's been playing really good in Colorado and then they have Ryan Graves and Sammy Gerard, that's their second choice. Who those are both too young guys. They're not making a ton of money right now. Sam. Gerard is still on his rookie deal cuz he's only 22 years old. I'm not sure of Ryan Graves is off of that. Rookie deal-breaker know he's making less than 2 million dollars right now. So they've got a lot of guys that aren't really getting paid. What they're, they're really contributing, so if they don't win soon, they're going to be in a in a tricky spot with with those contracts but they still have a little bit until they have to worry about that. But if they don't win now it's that could be an issue. Yeah, the window will close at some point and the pressures. I mean that's a fun thing to track or the next couple of years is can they get it done before they run out of time? How about Vegas is Vegas? Have a shot at winning a title? Yeah, Vegas is is really good. It kind of, it's kind of interesting to to look at the West compared to the east because the West there's a lot of birth. A good. And there's a lot of teams that were really bad but Vegas is one of those teams were there. They were really good. They had, they just missed out on the Presidents, Trophy, they lost it on the last day when Colorado won their game, and they didn't. So they were right in the mix for best team. But like I said, they have a lot of older players going against traditionally what most expansion teams will do because they just bought a join the League about three years ago. They they've moved a lot of young assets to get older, more experienced players to kind of try to win now. So there's a there's a lot of good players around g h l word, you might be surprised to say oh that was a Vegas pick so there's Nick Suzuki who's a really good young player in Montreal who was a Vegas pick that they traded away like pretty immediately. He didn't even play a single game for them. A lot of people don't even know he was drafted by them so that's just one. There's there's countless players like that where Vegas kind of said wage Have the time for you because we're too good right now. We need to make a push. Now, we can't be worried about developing players right now. So, the pressure is really on because their core is is awful. Lot of guys who don't have a ton of time left. Their goalie, like I mentioned is thirty-six years old. Marc-Andre Fleury is one of the best goalies of all time, but at some point he's going to decline a it's kind of a Tom Brady situation where it's like I don't know when the wheels are going to fall off this thing but they have to eventually. So I'm not really sure what's going to happen. But at some point he's off start to decline or some of their offensive and defensive players are going to decline. So it's it's really kind of a ticking time bomb in Vegas right now and their cap situation is going to be pretty crazy in a few years because they're spending a lot of money right now. I love this. The NHL is the only place where Minnesota is considered the West because it's so it's, so it's so North like North Palm. East up in the, it's kind of the center of the NHL and I've driven from Seattle Washington to Minnesota. That is not the West at all. However, there in the Western Division. So do the Minnesota Wild who, by the way, I lived in Minnesota as a child, like very young. And I had, I had a wild Jersey. It's way too small. I was like ten years old. Then, do the Minnesota Wild have a chance at a title this year. I don't think they have a chance this year. They've the reason they're in the playoffs is they've had a few players emerge, who probably weren't supposed to be as good as they are playing right now. Cam Talbot is a goaltender. They've got and the they got in free agency last year. He was kind of an average goalie. He was kind of a fringe starter in the past and he's really found his game and Minnesota. So he's been phenomenal. He's on a few games for them, but realistically, I don't think they're good enough. Right now, I think they still need to build. A little bit more, get me to get a little bit younger. I think they'll be a fun team to watch but right now I don't think they're good enough. The st. Louis Blues. Are they a title? They have a chance at a title. I don't want to count them out but I don't think they really have a chance going against. Colorado is a make a decision, Nathan pick a side. Know, I know they're not getting enough right now. Going against Colorado is is like kind of a death punch in itself but they're not really good enough. They're, they're similar their home, they have a lot of the core pieces that they had when they won the Stanley Cup. A few years back. But I don't think they're good enough right now and their goaltender Jordan binnington who was phenomenal and their Stanley Cup victory. Hasn't been as good this year. So I think they're they're done for and they barely they they snuck into the playoffs too. So they have really no chance. Now, in the North Toronto, the Toronto Maple Leaves. Have a shot at a title. Yeah, Toronto has a good chance at a title, probably their best chance since they want it last. I think it was 1967 so Toronto has been waiting for it and there's a lot of pressure on them off like please if they don't make it out of the North Division, I would be pretty shocked. I think they have I think they're too good to lose right now. They really need to win, but I don't know if they'll win it but they're definitely going to be in the mix Edmonton. Edmonton Oilers have a shot. Yeah I think Edmonton has a good chance to home. Winnipeg is kind of throwing a wrench in their plans right now by playing so well, but I would be surprised if it wasn't Edmonton versus Toronto in the North Division final, which will be the second round. So I think if they can get they have, they have some solid defensive in their goalie has been uncharacteristically, good. I'm not really sure what's going on there. I said he was going to kind of pissed off because he had a really good start. I kind of look like a fool on that, but I'll own it. He's having a great year, but I don't think I still believe he's going to he's going to like get off this hot streak. Some point. I don't think he's as good as he's playing. So that's a question mark, but they're good, they're definitely good enough to win it if they can. If if everything goes according to plan they could win it off. Sure the Winnipeg Jets, they're up to nothing over the Edmonton Oilers. That's a surprise to a lot of people. If they get past Edmonton, let's say that. So it's conditional, if they get past Edmonton, do they have a shot at a title? Jesus is a tough one. I'd say God. I know you want to say no, noted Pier pressure needed. I think they could, I think they could, that might be a hot take but Their defense is not very good but if they can get a good performance out of the players like the offensive players, then they could they had a huge trade earlier this season, they traded Patrick lining to Pierre. Luc, Dubois Patrick line. I went third overall, a few years ago. Look to Baldwin 4th or nope, a 20-second pierre-luc Dubois one-third so that was a pretty crazy trade and neither line or Du Bois. I have really been as good as promised. So if Pierre Luc, Dubois off, and find his dried and really turn it on for Winnipeg, I think they could because their offense is pretty good, but defense isn't great. So it's really going to depend on them scoring goals and their goaltender Connor hellebuyck kind of keep it a minute after that. How about the last one? I have to pull up, the Montreal Canadians, they have a shot cheese. The north is so hard, because a lot of people, a lot of question marks over how good the North Division really is a lot of people don't really believe in the North Division teams. There's been a lot of people that say, whoever wins the north is just going to go out right off. So, it doesn't even matter, but I think Montreal could win it. They probably have one of their better teams, they've had. They, they got Corey Perry on a, on a league, minimum deal. He's a, he's a good player. He's feisty guy, he's kind of hated around the NHL, but I kind of respect his game a little bit. He gets under his under other teams skin. He's strong goals. You get suspicious draws a lot of penalties. So I think they're good enough. I don't think they will. But if they get hot, I mean, you never know and carry price, or goaltender is dead. And also if he plays well, anything can happen, they had eleven overtime losses. And the regular season, is that meaningful? That's, I think zoellick around that's the most in the NHL know Dallas lost faith in that way, but that Dallas is in the playoffs. So the last remaining team with the most amount of overtime losses, how does that factor in if at all? Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of kind of speaks their ability in crunch time. So it's, it's a little bit of a red flag, excuse me. But I don't know, like, there's this thing in hockey, where it's kind of a trend, not this point where you fire your coach and then you win the Stanley Cup. It happened in La back in 2013, it happened in st. Louis two or three years ago, so they fired their coach. So maybe they'll get the fire coach magic. That has affected so many teams as of late, but I'm not really sure but I think wage Overtime thing really is kind of a blemish on their reputation because those are the games, you really need to win. You can't be losing in overtime. You need those points, so that definitely kind of speaks their ability to cross it out games. I feel like hockey coaches, man of the worst job security it maybe maybe on the planet. Like they teams burn through hockey coaches like it's nothing. I'm like like I watch didn't Vegas win a title and then get fired like the next year. Yeah like his team was first. His team was first in division. And then they, they lost like three games in a row. He got fired Gerard Gallant, it's like, dude, that's wild to me, that's due. That's all I have now those are all my questions. I do know that. So according to my notes and then according to Nation, Nathan Shield, based on what I just learned, Minnesota, has a nice shot, the Nashville. Predators have no shot. My notes are gone. The st. Louis Blues, have no shot to win a title. Are there any teams? I'm leaving out that you're just like that team. You don't hate him but they're really got no opportunity to win a title. I'm curious about that. Let me look at the teams here real quick and I'm curious, but before we do that, why is the north is a north just really weak and so people say, cuz they play in their own little bubble. Is the north, just the self-contained, a group of bad teams that winning that's not as impressive compared to winning the east or the West. Yeah, I mean that's kind of a tricky question. Cuz everyone kind of has a different theory about the north. It's a really high score and division. There's not a ton of defense that gets played. They squawk like bye-bye division, the north scored significantly, more goals than any other division. There is a lot of offensive Firepower in the north so that could be it but a lot of people the north has like just suspect defense which is pretty important in the playoffs as you might have as you might imagine. And I think a lot of people just kind of assumed Canadian teams have no chance because Can a Canadian team hasn't won the Stanley Cup in a long time, so I think that might be part of it. The defense could be part of it, but I don't know. I guess we'll see. Once we get to the final four of the north truly is at such a silly thing. Like, I don't know why where you play games should determine whether you have a shot to win a title. I mean, that's, that's kind of like, quarterbacks go to USC are always going to fail or housing that matter. It's just like that's situation. You know. It's just a, it's like one of those things that just has no actual relevance to the ability or actual opportunity to win a title. Yeah, it's really weird. I'm not really sure what it is. I think it's a lot of people that just are kind of bitter about the north. Maybe they're Canadians, or maybe they route for Canadian team and they're just they just decided that she cuz it hasn't happened in. So long note Canadian team will ever win again so they kind of just want to do them their teams or something. I'm not really sure. But a lot of people are counting out the Canadian teams so it'll be interesting job. See what happens with them. So something I didn't know going into this conversation. I learned since then is that they didn't play an open schedule. So you played only your division all year kind of a weird science science experiment TJ like huh this team has never played this other team. That's going to be a fun matchup. We haven't seen all year. Are there any like you know the Islanders have not played the Colorado Avalanche like they haven't really changed to match. It's like you can't even argue. Hey the Avalanche. They dominated the West. How much was that? Really a challenge? What's going to happen when they face a team that they haven't played before this really good? Are there any matchups? You're like, man, this team that team is my dream scenario. Oh man, this is a tough question. I would love to see Maybe Boston vs. Colorado. I think would be really fun, maybe Tappo versus Colorado as well. There's a lot of good teams and all these teams have really gained a smart coaches. I mean, if you're if you're one of the best teams in NHL, you're going to have a great coach. So I'm really excited for that because not only is it trying to figure out the players as a player, it's going to be the coach is trying to go over film and say, oh, this is how we have to attack Colorado and we've, we haven't seen him this year, so we can only go based on what we've seen on film and I think the teams are going to know that as well. Maybe make adjustments. So it's kind of going to be a chess match. The first few games, it's going to be awesome hockey. I I'll give you two. I'd rather you pick one but I get it. You're on the spot and it's also hard. Like, I don't know picking one thing for me, I can never pick my favorite movie. I'm like, I'll tell you my five fave movies, maybe, but I can't pick one who is your favorite, and you can go like 1A and 1B if you want to, who's your favorite to win the NHL title. This is, I this one's a little bit easier than you might expect, but I could be wrong. So I don't know. Own it, alone it if I'm wrong. I'm wrong. That's how it goes. But based on what I've seen this year, I think Colorado is going to win. Money are too good to lose right now. They're there for words are so good. Nathan MacKinnon is so dominant that whole first line landeskog McKinnon rant in their phenomenal. When they're on the ice. There may watch TV, they fly past everybody there so fast. They're so skilled and they're just phenomenal. You can't make any mistakes against Colorado because they're going to score. So I think they're dead. They're too good at too, good to lose right now. Well, Nathan, first of all, if you have anything else you want to say any any final thoughts that you think are left on the table? Now, I think we touched on pretty much everything. Dude, I gotta say, man, I thought we started off like we've never talked in person so I'm not worried. I thought we got warmer as the conversation went on but dude you were a phenomenal. Like I I learned a lot. I had a good time. I I think it's this is fun content to make and I would love to do this again. Maybe after every wrestling around with one round to, you know, all the way through the play-offs tale. And then we can like, talk about what happens in the Stanley Cup Final. You know, I don't need to try to cover it as it's going on to think. I probably don't ever want to do an episode again, in the middle of a round like this, it's brutal. But if you want to, I'd love to go after every round to do it a show like to be really fun. Yeah. Yeah, I think a recap would probably be the best way to format this so I think that would be a really awesome idea. Dude, again I can't say thank you enough and I had another thing I wanted to go but I just I can't remember. I know that this was fun and so thank you so much. I've wanted I found this on my heart for like a long time. I I just I don't have the tool set to follow and say a lot about hockey but I am interested and I I love hockey, I think people don't know that about me, it's one of my favorite sports. I love going to games, I just don't know the bandwidth. The follow very closely and it kind of breaks my heart cuz I love the sport and I I think it needs a phenomenally like I love baseball. I hate the MLB like major league baseball makes me so angry and they're kind of ruining a good sport any to hockey's phenomenal. And I'm really glad to get an opportunity to talk about it with you. So thank you so, very much. Yeah, of course, thank you for having me on Zack. Armament talk soon. I want to know if shift gears to a conversation, I had with my good friend Austin, it was fun to catch up. He's a, a friend of mine have had for years and years, he's actually off the reason I love the sport of hockey is because of him. So it was fun. It was exciting. Please. Now, enjoy my conversation with Austin. Joining me now is a guy off of a lot. Austin cram. How are you? Doing well. I'm doing well. How are you? I'm good. I, by the way. So you may not know this about you. You're one of my favorite people on planet Earth. You know what? I'm sure. Wow, I don't see a very often. This is a great start to this podcast, please. Well, you're the first, I think High School. One of the one of the first people I've known like for a long time that I've ever worked with I don't cuz Okay. I can't tell you why. I just hasn't happened that way but I I like him and I'll see you maybe once a year covid-19. Even more, but every time I see, it's like we pick up, right? Where we left off, I love it. I love hearing your passion by mme and hockey and, you know, hockey really well. And so I, I was like, look, I'm doing this thing with Nathan Shield. I want to get you onto cuz I, I don't even have a lot planned for this conversation. I'm like, I just know you love hockey and we'll get good jobs out of it. That's the goal here. I mean, I've seen you share on Instagram, you know, people will say hey do more hockey hockey and every time I see it I get this little twinge of like yeah. It's come on let's get more hockey content cuz it's it's great. And this is the best time to pick up on that content. Sounds like we're doing this. Yeah, man. I I think what I'd like to do is do round one after, on going to recap episode of round, one will do recap at around 2 all the way the playoffs until the championship and just have a good time along the way and talk about hockey. I, I love hockey, man. I've told this a lot of people, I feel like I have, don't have the bandwidth to, to follow it off. So I got people like you and Nathan that I can reach out to my what's going on. What's Happening? That's always a way cuz I mean, you're so entrenched in in football and obviously, you should be your, your great at it, it's tough to follow along, you know, to the point that you'd feel that someone who's making videos. Like, you would feel comfortable making videos without having a little bit of assistance from, from Nathan, in myself. And, you know, whoever else you'd like. So again, I'm glad we can do this inside. We're here. Yeah, I know. And football have all the answers. I feel pretty confident. Like I know exactly, that's I just don't talke. I got to save before. We really dive into the playoffs. Your why? I love hockey? I used to I used to take me to Portland Winterhawks games at WHL team and I was like this is effing awesome. Like I I was watching soccer, the last couple of days I've been doing. Yeah, working for the Portland Timbers. For actually for you, I can say it now working for ESPN. Them. I hate them. I have a free number. I hate giant networks. They're not really fun to work with but soccer, I'm like, sitting there going, I'm really way sisters hockey, instead, like I, I just, I don't follow hockey very much, but I love the game itself. It's there's nothing quite like it especially as we get into the late spring and early summer. We get into the postseason and you know, to piggyback off off the Winterhawks. If anybody is listening here who doesn't quite have the exposure to hockey that you might wish you had Junior. Hockey, runs around the country, there's many different leagues, high-level leagues, former or future rather. NHL is will play in these leagues. Go check it out. Tickets are very very cheap follow your local team support, then they could use your your, your gate revenue and you're going to watch your great product. And hockey is as awesome as it is on T, it's even better in person is that can kind of juice as well. Oh yeah. I think football, I've been to NFL games. I don't really like going to games. I'd rather watch football at home with my own snacks and my couch hockey. I, I want to go to a Boston Bruins game, some day. I want to go to these high-level NHL games because they're hockey's like the I think one of the best sports live. It's so the atmosphere run into the boards hearing that sound like, oh my God. I love it. You doesn't translate on T when when someone when there's a collision into the boards and a collision it looks fairly innocuous. You don't think much of it on T because you just you aren't there to hear you. Don't see it the same way, but you might see a fairly normal Collision into the boards near the net and it will rattle the boards all around the rink. For I mean, fifty feet in each Direction. It it shows you the level of contact the speed the same for these guys and it completely makes it a different thing in person. You feel it live. I want to try that. Yeah that's good, put it. Yeah I want to ask about the most valuable player so when I do the NFL SOS Awards, I give out two Awards instead of one MVP, really frustrates me, because it's not definable. So, I give out a player of the year I gave that to Packers quarterback, Aaron Rodgers and he gave out a most important player which went to Tom Brady cuz most important to your team is not also the same as the best year in the best statistics and best numbers. And so I'm really curious who your favorite org. Will favorites for the NHL, the Hart Memorial award. The MVP is. Yep. You know this year unlike most, it's a runaway. It said, mature McDavid. He's putting up a year. That is unprecedented. The NHL played fifty six games this year. He was on Pace for a hundred and fifty points in an eighty-two Game, season and points are goals, and assists, both primary and secondary. So, if you are scoring a goal or in on the the playmaking of a goal, you get a point 150 points with his pace for an eighty-two Game season. That's the best in thirty years. When Mario Lemieux was last, when I have a hundred fifty points in a season, he's had more games. Zack with three points than 0 points. I think he's averaging like 1.7 goals-to-games. I don't like that. It's easy was averaging. I believe his his season and average is 1.82 points per game, which is the most since the Army took her in the mid-90s. It's it's ludicrous. What he's doing? It's it's out of control. He's seriously, put and he's twenty-four. He turned twenty-four in January, I did was twenty-four. Oh my gosh, she's twenty-four years old. He still, he hasn't even hit his prime yet in terms of what we could see from him, physically, mentally as a player, he's only going to get better. He's, he's not rageous player and, you know, for the sake of the show, I guess, you know, second or third, we could give to auston Matthews of the Maple Leafs, who led the league in goals this year. He was a great player. He's turned it up for them. He's reached New Heights, he's always been great. He's been great since you answered, he entered, you know, near the same time as Monday or after and since then he's been great. But no one can hold a candle to 97 in Edmonton, it just does nothing you can do about it. He's amazing. What do you make of Winnipeg? Shutting them down? In the first two playoff games they've had. Connor hellebuyck is the best goalie on Earth right now. He's the goalie for the Winnipeg Jets. He's an American goalie, we haven't had that level of. Shut down everything going along time. So, Olympic time, you know, we're going to be excited to see how the buck in the red white and blue. He's he's interplanetary as well, he's given up one goal. This series you know Leon draisaitl an intimate. David are the two best players on that Oilers team? They've been held completely pointless. Hellebuyck's performing in, in a way that that can take you deep. We saw it in 2019 with the st. Louis Blues in January, they were in last place in the league and and they're young stud goaltender, Jordan binnington. Carried them through the playoffs and won. Their first Stanley Cup in in in many decades, not saying what the Jets necessarily going to do, but it's goaltending performances like Connor hellebuyck gives you that gives you the opportunity to do that moving forward. There's not much more you can say about him he's he's been phenomenal and he shut that off. That that powerful group and admitted down as an NFL guy at school to hear about any team named. The Jets in the playoffs, I'm curious, if they could pass Edmonton, how far? Cuz I am, I I'd relate everything back to football. And football, of course, you, you have this one position quarterback, which is a little bit different than everything else. There's only one. And this only one play is, they're very important with a goal. Can't a goaltender's lot like a quarterback. There's only one, they're very important. You, they really kind of dictate whether you win or not and how far can their goaltender take them if they get past Edmonton? You can take you all the way can take to the very end and that's and you know, if so assuming they are able to get past Edmonton, they're going to likely see the Toronto Maple Leafs. That's because the way that the that that the playoffs structure is here. It's different because of how covid-19 played, you know, many fewer games. The first two rounds of the postseason are all in all intra-division. So Edmonton wins against Winnipeg Jets. Rather Winnipeg beats Edmondson. Here they're going to play likely the Maple Leafs because they've looked so great against Montreal and we can go into the Maple Leafs here in a little bit. But you know, it's going to be a different wage. It's going to be a different thing for. Hello booking for Winnipeg come Toronto because instead of just you know the two the two guys you really got to worry about in in McDavid and draisaitl that may believe Steve is so deep faith that you constantly. They got guys up it on the roster, Ford's defenseman who are dangerous? You know, if he stays locked in anything, can happen and that's kind of the beauty of of the NHL playoffs. I would pick Toronto over them. But if he maintains this level, there's you know there's what you're going to do is kind of this kind of the way it goes. You can do everything, you can't you can't score so you had no chance. It's such a fine thing. I was just going to say it's such a you know, when when in in basketball and football and even in baseball to to a little bit of a lesser extent, you've got so many storing opportunities. In in a nutshell you're averaging you know five or six gold events per game, split in each side, the margin for error is. So so thin that if you've got a goalie who might steal, you know what you've been one goal and he can take that away from his, you know, from his great play. That is enough to turn an entire game. We do that. A couple of times you turn in a series and that happens every year. It happens all the time we're seeing right now, I want to hear about Toronto. You mentioned them and I I'm just curious what your thoughts are, your analysis and are they in the conversation for title this year? I think they're definitely the conversation. I think their their chances have taken a significant hit along with with their Captain. Have you have you seen the Jonathan Tavares incident? Know what happened in engaging? So Jonathan Tavares, John Tavares is the Maple Leafs Captain, he's an exceptional player. He started with the New York Islanders played there for many years before leaving to Toronto and free agency. He's probably he's their second or third best place to start Captain. He was handling the puck about ten minutes into the first period of game. One of their series against Montreal, he's hit by bench rotten centralized in the in the neutral zone middle of the iceberg. It's a clean hit, he goes down and in an attempt to kind of mitigate the hit. He kind of spins but he's already on his way down so he's rotating on the ice. He starts facing back the way he came and another Canadians player. Corey Perry, this is completely an accident. There was no harm intended, he in an attempt to get out of the way up to viruses. Now on the ice because the initial dead Needs to bars in the face. He's probably skating at 25 miles an hour. Cory. A big man, tomorrow is, is knocked out to bars. In a rough way, major concussion out indefinitely, it's an unfortunate incident. It was sad to see. It's, it was scary to see in real time because of the way that Tavares, you know, had a whole body was reacting to the, to the, to hit. So, you know that aside and, you know, all of our thoughts out to JT's, a great players, Great Captain, that's going to hurt them from a hockey game too. Clearly again, he's our second or third-best player he's their lifeblood. He's our captain where their ceiling is has changed in the last several days to where, you know, I would say, I think Toronto care about anybody to now I, they've got this kind of reputation Tour on. It does have got this DNA of being a team that can't get it done in crunch-time day, they have a propensity to choke and off, That you've lost your captain and one of your best players. I think that reality comes becomes a lot a lot more likely as we get further in. I'm told there's a narrative that Canadian teams can't win or don't normally win a title and I hear that I think that's dumb to me. I look at, you know, Sam howls, at quarterback in North Carolina right now and he is getting compared to Mitchell trubisky who failed horribly and like they came from the someplace same place but it's a different situation. Like you can't compare location, doesn't Define off how you do and how well you can succeed. And I I think it's, that's kind of interesting. What do you make of that narrative and you can throw people throw stats, like a team has one sense. This date years and years ago, but I'm like, I made a good team is a good team, no matter where they're based out of, right? Yeah. And that's I mean it's I'll admit this is a thing that that American hockey fans do to rile up Canadian fans because Kennedy know hockey is Canada's game. This is all being a lot of it is kind of tongue-in-cheek, it's in jest, but I enjoyed the like, haha, we're better at using gross sport but yeah, but the fact is is that everybody, you know, we we we prodded them but everybody knows that the end of the day sixty percent of the League's madian players whether they're in America on American teams or not. There's only you know there's a one third of the league as Canadian in terms of teams so there's fewer teams that can win it off. So Canadian team hasn't won it in you know in quite some time I don't think that's necessary, don't think that's, that's a geographical thing. There's no geographical reason for that. It's just the way that things shake out. When you know, over town teams are are of the 31 are in America and there's only a few in Canada and that's, you know, that's the way it goes, but a lot of Canadians Hoist, the Cup every year, whether they play for the American team or not. You pointed something out. The other last time we talked you said like this is a weird round in the NHL playoffs, because something happened with covid-19. Yeah. So because so so moving forward now, because the Canucks have this but with Nobody's fault necessarily it's just you know, the Canucks undergo this covid-19 at the worst possible time with not enough time to make these games up. And Edmonton's got reason to complain because box in order for Vancouver to get their games in, on this crazy Sprint to the Finish, Edmonton has to participate in that too. They have to be the second in the in in the partnership to play these games. So Edmonton's coming in wipes because they've got to play three games against the Canucks in a week before the playoffs and so it's it's been a it's been a messy situation that leads to what they can. There's no easy solutions, that's just where we are now, but it's created a weird wrinkle for the playoffs, I got home. I like it. I think with what they could with this with the situation is what it is, right. I hate canceling games, I hate I like uniformity. So I think it's really good. They they got em. They could get done. It doesn't mess up the draft order and do stuff like that. I'm actually glad hearing that from you hearing that now, I'm like, oh I'm actually glad they made up games cuz in the NBA that canceled, it's just weird. My cat, It's Not Dead. It doesn't work for me. I go that. I don't like that. At all. If you try to cancel games and don't try to make them up and fix that kind of lost of it, Integrity, I guess to the schedule. Yeah, no deleted what they could and has done the winning percentage that they're neutral. It seems was not interested in doing that. They were going to, you know, tell the Canucks. Hey this is what you gotta do. We got to play these games, you know, to the the rest of the Canadian teams were sorry. The the Canucks had to play several games against the Calgary Flames. Well a non-playoff teams there too, non-playoff teams playing games during the playoffs and regular season format weird that like that it was kind of funny you know it's you know the Canucks fans in Flames fans get an extra you know a little bit of hockey. Mm no they get to see the teams play in May which is nice. Well, it kind of reminds me of the NFL had a game every single day of the week last year, which when the hell is our football on a Tuesday or a Wednesday, never right? Well, it's awesome. I'm more than happy to you know I'm more than happy to sit on a Wednesday and watch some football but it's definitely not the norm know, I'm curious cuz I very ignorant question coming next. So prepare yourself. I'm going to ask something dumb song. No, dumb questions. No dumb questions. Act is Minnesota. Always considered the West in the NHL. I've driven the less I've driven from Seattle to Minneapolis. That that's not the West like at all, either the west of the NBA correct. But that's a split down the middle of divided. I think it's off criticizing. It's just funny to me like, man, we have Saint Louis. I kind of get cuz Saint Louis Rams, were for a while and they moved whatever. But man, Minnesota, it's funny. That's a western division. It kind of shows how the center of the name is very Northeast. Yeah, and yeah. And that st. Louis and Minnesota in the west and and they had to do it again because they had to they had to stratify Canada and keep Canada, kind of contained but took over without a doubt further west than than any team really, I mean, short of the California teams and, you know, you've got Edmonton and and Winnipeg kind of in central Canada there as well. I don't, you know, Canadian geography is not. My students is really so sorry to the Canadians out there. Don't worry less. But, you know, they're, they're right there and kind of that middle area, too. So it's just funny how the divisions have worked out especially for this year. It's been an interesting. Again, A Wrinkle the postseason, I once knew, but I want to make sure I know what were the divisions before cuz there wasn't always a Canada Northern Division. Correct. Know. Yeah you're right know so it was it was the Pacific, the Metropolitan, the Central and and the East. Yeah. So they're not the, the Eastern Conference. You had the urge, the, the Metropolitan, and the South, and then you had in the in the Western Conference, you had the Pacific and the central. So that's, that's how that does. So I wasn't in terms of the American team. It wasn't too different. Like they stayed pretty much where they, you know, where where they were before, the Canadian wrinkle is what is what created suck some. Yes, are there. So it's interesting this year, in the NHL, they've played only in their own divisions. Basically, it's what it does is we haven't seen Pittsburgh play, Colorado, or Boston play. Colorado, are there any matchups you ahead to like, man? I can't wait to see this team, play that team or or you're hoping to play each other know. I'm glad you went there because there's this whole Teams have only played the same handful of teams all season. So as we get past the second round because the third round, which restriction to be the Conference Finals is now just being called the third round, the Stanley Cup. Semi-finals, we're going to see teams haven't played each other all here play, you know, a series to go to the Stanley Cup Final. So it it creates a lot of intrigue. You don't have that same familiarity, you're playing the same teams for 56 games and they got to go play Team. You haven't played yet this year and, you know, there's teams like Florida, like Carolina, like Minnesota who did make the postseason last month. Play, Indian actually lost to the Canucks. I didn't make the full postseason, but these are teams that haven't made the playoffs, you know, in a little while who or haven't made deep playoff, runs a little while who now, you know, it adds a different, a different layer of of kind of how we're going to play this because you haven't played these teams in the playoffs. You don't think the regular season, you're just watching film and hope you know what you can do. Yeah. It's it's it's, it's it's a lot of chaos and it's a lot of dead. In terms of matchups, I we need to see Tampa Colorado and how that can happen is going to be weird. Because when we took the third round, they're going to reseed based on regular-season record also been doing like four teams in a bubble kind of thing. I believe so, I believe that that was the confirmation that they were going to make the bubble for the the last two rounds. I believe. That's that's the case we can get it on that so bad weather. We see those two teams in the Cup Final or in the cup semi-final, it's going to depend on how the rest is first run series. Shake out that I think is what we need to see that. I think whoever wins that series, whether it's in the third or the fourth round obviously the coupling and I think that team wins at all I think you just I think it's kind of a two-man race or two horse race with some other you know, potentials lingering. So that's the matchup I'd like to see. Do you buy into college with the Avalanche of only played? Absolutely the West. So you're still like they're they're incredibly slightly they They're incredibly deep they're finding their goaltending is not bad. Witch when you have a team that's as deep as they are and as talented as they are, you don't need much, you know, their wage. There's these goalie analytics are getting more advanced. There's expected saves and goals saves above expected. And there's ways you can kind of analyze Glee performances on a more long-term medical basis. And and the goalie Philipp grubauer right now, he's playing exactly as he should be. He's not stealing games. He doesn't have to. He's also not giving games away which again, when you got Colorado seem like this, he doesn't have two months, they won five. Nothing against the Blues in game, three. They did not receive any goals from Mikko rantanen, Nathan MacKinnon, Andre burakovsky joonas, donskoi and Gabriel landeskog. Those are there, five top scorers thought one of them scored a goal, they want five, nothing. These guys can go up and down. They've played with crazy Pace, they have the fourth, most shots per game in the postseason. And one, two, and three have all played overtime games dead Wow. So they're they're they're they put it on you. They never stop their crazy. Deep. Their goaltending is good. They their freakish. They're just, they're so good. Is Colorado. The Avalanche that your faith favorite to win the Stanley Cup Final? Yes. Is there anybody else that if I diffuse right now, to Colorado in terms of other teams in the mix, I like Tampa they won. Last year, Stanley Cup is notoriously hard to win and repeat years. I think Tampa can do it there, they've got a ton of experience, that matters tremendously, they've got a great goaltender in in vasilevsky. Ate a lot of experience. These guys took the, you know, it happened, it's happened. Several years now where their best player they're captain or one of their best players. Steven Stamkos. He's he's caught a bit of the injury bug of laid-back and it seems like he can come back and immediately swing things Nikita, kucherov, same deal, he's there Russian sniper, he can miss, however, many games and it seems like he, I mean, he he returned from a long layoff off first. First game, he played the store, two goals, and notching assist. He he's he is crazy that they've got a great experience. Talented defense group who can who is just as comfortable playing offenses are playing defense in their own end. Again, vasilevsky will will turn a series, it's the series. I want to see Colorado and Tampa, I hope we get to see it for the Stanley Cup, but if we see it at all, it'll be it'll be exciting. Cuz those are our teams that I think will really go to war and then in terms of, you know, some more long shots teams that are that are still going to be there, you know that have a shot but I don't think you know, necessarily can go all the way. The Boston Bruins are grown and they're up 3-1 on the capitals right now. They've got a lot of experience, you know, in their group they have what I think is one of the worst LIE. There's this concept of lines in the NHL. It's ford lines. It's 3/4 line just like your lineup, basically. And Boston has this group of guys and they called the Perfection line which I think is the most like self-aggrandising. Yep. Like awful like it's I think it's an awful nickname but it's it really speaks truly to who they are because it's a, they play defense, they store they, they hustle Hart's, bread, Marsh and Patrice Bergeron, David pastrnak, you know, that, that group of guys can take them a long way. The Vegas, golden knights have a lot of life experience to have the third. Most winning postseason, goalie of Altona, Marc-Andre Fleury. There's an option that they play a physical game that that pays dividends late in life. Laughs, who knows, you know, a lot of things go on and see NHL playoffs. Anything can happen. But right now, I think it's Colorado and I think it's called out or beaten Tampa. That's awesome. I think that would be one thing. I'm curious if I'm a, yeah, we've seen. So I again, I compare everything to football, the New Orleans Saints, the last couple of years, have I Drew Brees a aging retiring soon. He just retired Hall of Fame quarterback, who I was like, man. It'd be really cool to watch him get another championship before he walked off into the sunset. I think the Pittsburgh Penguins are exactly the same. I, I know that. Okay, you know, Sidney Crosby's 33 years old, you're sixteen. I don't know how much you have left. I think he's got maybe a little but I I'm like, man, I don't think you would win this year and retire, but I wonder what you think. If they have a shot if they're even, I know they're in the playoffs, they're doing. Okay. But I'm like could they be to college? Could they beat Tampa Bay? You know, with the with said, with with with Malkin, those guys, I, you know, you can't count any of them out. Again, they've won a couple of Cups themselves. They've they've made deep runs, there's talented. I actually, in my bracket that I feel that I picked the Islanders and seven, I picked Pittsburgh to lose in the first one. I picked a repeat of what happened back in 2019 Highlanders instead of going in 7/8 swept the Penguins in the first round. I thought that that DNA of that series for a couple of years ago, would continue to ring true. The Islanders have a head coach, Barry trotz who's a defensive-minded Stern home, they Revel the Islanders issue. The last several years has been that they have young talented flary, explosive young players who you know their penchant for divorce has kind of fleeting trots. Runs trots runs a very defensive system, He reigns guys like that. And and since he's taken over in Long Island, they've shown a much. More a much more effective 200-foot game. They play in all three zones very well and, you know, they're frustrating Pittsburgh that Series has the tensions have run high in several games, they're getting home. You know, the Penguins Evgeni Malkin is the Penguins, you know, second or third. Best player at this point. He took three penalties in, in their last game, just out of frustration. The Islanders were getting under the pen skin off and it's working. And the series is is nodded right now. I think it goes 7, there is no result that would surprise me, but I would have to lean toward the island this point. What about the story of sitting, I do you think that's a good, you agree? It's a cool interesting. Story to see them go, a hundred percent and and and the opinions on Crosby are polarizing. There's a lot of people out there who, who took care for Crosby. You know, I can see how his house, some of his attitude has some of his, the way he carries himself can be, can be a little bit grating, but you can't deny the player he's dead. Is the best player of his generation. He's you know, a Surefire one of the one of the best to ever do it and it's funny because if you don't watch a lot of hockey for not super familiar you pick up sure. You picture an elite Hall of Fame lock player to be someone like a little Mexican. Who is that? Yeah, but this like goalscoring high-flying like charismatic Russian do like that's that's that's an elite hockey player. Sidney Crosby is like the best version of a grinder and a grinder. Someone who'd putting her third or fourth line wage, they're going to wear down the other team are going to win. Puck battles, they're going to be hard. On the puck, they're going to hit a little bit and Crosby doesn't do a ton of hitting but the way that he plays, he plays with his face to the boards. He plays really really strong on his side Gates. He has Superior Edge work. He's in front of the net passing. He's tipping Pucks in his game isn't super flare heavy it's just ridiculously effective and that's what I think off. Him to continue to play into into an older age as long as his health, you know, will allow that he's had some concussion stuff in his past. It's been a little bit hazardous wage because he doesn't play a particularly fast. And he plays, really, really smart and really, really strong like technical super rely on athleticism. It's super technical, it's incredibly refined that's a style that, you know, he might play a few minutes but that's a style that you can throw on the PowerPlay, you can throw them, you know, at the end of the pinch and he's going to give you a good minutes for a long time as long as his health is up. If he wants to, he's got nothing to prove though. Are there any I'm really curious about Taylor Hall? Taylor Hall is a former MVP winner. He went to Buffalo, I even it's one of the few moves, this offseason that I actually paid attention to. It's like, why did Taylor Hall go there? Like their novelty video about this didn't you make a Taylor Hall video? Like a quite a while ago? Sure. Yeah I remember I I covered at some point going like what the heck, why would he got traded to Boston? What do you make of the trade? What do you make of even? You can even give commentary on going to Buffalo cuz I I would assume you agree. Like maybe he cashed out just wanted, you know, sold out for money, but I thought he wanted to win and I don't know why. Then he went to Buffalo. Taylor Hall is is crazy anomaly because he played. He played six years in Edmonton to start his career and he played well, I mean in in 1343, only twenty-two years old, he had 80 points. He was, he's a great player and he want to call her his rookie year. He was the Rookie of the Year. In in 2010-2011, he's an awesome player. And then he and then he goes to New Jersey and he's only there for three years. And then then he gets moved on over to Arizona, and then back to Buffalo in Boston, this is like it's just crazy scenario where you've got this player, who's really talented actually who's only twenty-nine, he's, he's still, he's still in his prime and he's played for like, six different teams because he's in this scenario, where he's not quite good enough. At the perception of him, isn't that he's quite good enough to be a guy that you have to keep around but he's good enough that you can, you know, move him to provide you some other pieces or maybe you know the money that he wants isn't quite what I can afford to give for someone. Who's that stature? He's just in kind of a weird. No man's land and he's a great player and I think it's a it was incredibly smart for Boston. I picked that guy up. He fits what they need really well. That's, that's a four hour drive play. He's great at moving the play into the offensive zone. He's got great Wheels. Great hands. And he's, he's the kind of guy that you want to bolster your middle six group, You know, to provide some offensive punch outside of that top-line, he's a great acquisition for them. And at twenty-nine, he still got so much life left. It feels like, because he's been involved in so many transactions throughout the years. It feels like this guy should be three months for actual in his prime. Yeah, when you look around the NHL playoffs, you go ahead. Go ahead and oh, when you when you look on the NHL playoffs, are there any players or storylines like man? That's that's worth following. That's interesting to me, like, for example, Boston, in the capital's I think three games in a row now is gone to overtime down notes. Yeah. Yeah. It's exciting and interesting are there anything else like that that you're like, man. That's and we can talk about the Capitals in Boston. If you want they play a game. That's the first thing that I want to to talk about is that series because I thought someone who and this is not, you specifically just anybody listening, who might be, you know, who not, who might not quite know what the NHL postseason is and like what it represents and, and how you Thursday, Give it as a hockey fan. This is a321 series. You look at that as a as a basketball fan when you think three to one, man, this you know, there's a better team here, it's over Faith's done and the last game they played a game for Boston played like that. They, they, they played a great game. They beat anything to final end up being 421 prior to that, they played three overtime games. And that's just and again, that's the amalgamation of the NHL postseason. You're in overtime. You've got you've got ten ten skaters on the ice plus two goalies. You're running around hitting, it's frozen piece of rubber with them. While you run on is on on razor blades. It's an inherently crazy game and you go to overtime where it's Golden Gophers team to score wins. This thing, you're looking at a 3-1 Boston series. Now with three overtime games literally two or three bounces go the other way and we're we're looking at a 3-1 capitals lead. And you know, it's it's easy to say well if this if that in hockey it's true you you're one weird bounce away, one skittering, Puck hits, the wrong Skate. One Shot off the off. The post doesn't follow the right way to the Caps are looking, like they might be on their way out. And if a couple of fifty-fifty things go their way throughout these last four games, they're looking in advance it. And that's the nature of the beast. That's why this trophy so hard to win. That's why it's hard to repeat. That's why it means so much to the people who do when it it's hard to win the Stanley Cup, even if you're a really, really good team and age and in this series, here is kind of that wrapped up. Well, even the thought, you know, to to to compare, to 3 to 1, that's a massive swing that one overtime game. Where am I mean that? You you mean one of those 3 / X Games, you know what I mean? It just crazy. How the difference one win can do in a serious like catch did win one of them so yeah. So so they did they didn't take care of one of them dead. And if your box and you're thinking man, we kind of an extra day off. If that would have went you know, our way in game 1 in that overtime, it's it perfectly represents. What postseason hockey is the tension, the energy. Everything means something. You know, every second, every every shift, you know, a shift for a hockey player, if you do for a Ford it's 45 seconds and that's why you know and that's what makes it such a beautiful game of a team aspect because in hoops or you know, even in the NFL to it to a little bit of a lesser extent, you could say, you know, go out there. We're going to keep you out there. If you know, if the Lakers need some buckets, they're going to say LeBron we need you to play it, you know, four years in a row. Yeah, and hockey you just can't do it. There's there the capacity physically isn't there? You're expected as a hockey player to go for forty-five seconds to a minute as hard as you possibly can and then take a two-minute break, you can check it out there for 14 minutes and expect him to produce. And because of that it creates this team environment and you know you you you can't just lean on one guide because there's only five or six goals that gets stored in the game most of the time. Everything is it's so Amplified. And that's, that's what makes it beautiful. And in Mangia as we talk right now, I'm going to date us real quick game for hurricanes. Predators. Are tied 3 to 3ish overtime, double overtime there. Last. Damn, so we're doing this again here, and then the Avalanche in the blue is just started zero zero on the first. I just wanted to be, you know, that's when we're recording this month, at some point, that's a good. Yeah, I'm glad no one's going to get eliminated. Well, we're talking that would suck. But I wanted to, you know, like leave kind of a timestamp, they're not happening. Yeah, I think I think the a volts do eliminate the blues tonight. I think that it might wind up here while we're talking literally, but I think if you report probably well it's putting out was uploading maybe. Yeah, well while while this is uploading, we might see an elimination from Colorado in Saint Louis, which is expected, you know, there are three. Nothing happens. I, I picked it, I picked it. I believe in five about the blues might steal one, you know, they might, who knows? But God, That's much of a series at this point. I think it ever was frankly. No disrespect to Saint Louis, but when you're out junkyard Grand, take me to your notes. What else he got man? I'm curious. You know, we we touched on it a little bit. This this barn burner series between the Islanders and the Penguins, you know, it's it, despite all the overtime despite all the one girl games that happened to at this first round with that series at 2, to could go any direction and can we we touched on it briefly, but that's just kind of the, that's the one thing that I wanted to, to bring up in to mention is if, if you're wanting to, you know, competitive or high tension, violent, to an extent physical hockey, that's the series to watch right now. These are two teams with a lot of Pride with a lot to play for, who are playing a best-of-three game, 5,000 Mark Western time, Monday tomorrow. That'll be. It is, yeah, yeah. And again, that's that's going to be the game to tune in playoff hockey. Always going to be a proponent of loss, you can, but if you're going to pick one game or one series to follow, I think from, you know, from here, on out in the first round, that's going to be the one. It's two teams that have quickly found. They don't don't care for each other too much. They're locked in dead. Again, it's a best-of-three advanced. Both teams. You've got a lot to play for. Like I said, a lot of Pride to play for amongst each other. That's going to be the one. That's the exciting one right now for me. Yeah, I'm lucky, you know, I don't have to go to work tomorrow. I got I got to watch them as my job. So you know I'll be watching Boston tonight. I'm really excited about. I got a big interview tomorrow, but I'm, I'm going to really dive in and try to watch them to talk. He's I can't cuz there's so many good games and Series going on Thursday. And I, my favorite thing about sports is the moment where you're not sure what's going to happen where you're like, man either team can win and I'm convinced that either one, has a shot, I love that. And I like, for example, I'm not, I can tell you right now. I am not going to watch the Colorado, Avalanche game tonight. It's not, I don't have any question. Who's going to win the series? That's not exciting to me. Even if this game. It's not going to. It's not going to, it's not going to be going to say, I wonder, you know, what is? What is Saint Louis do this? You may have in the last three, what is what is Saint Louis? Do this game that suddenly makes this Juggernaut Avalanche team? You know, rendered inoperable. It's not. When one, it's not going to matter. Yeah. It's but I mean you're right. The Islanders and the Penguins is like, oh my gosh. I really it's I don't know. And I think the prediction to say it'll go 7 cuz I ain't got very man. I appreciate the shout out cuz I was already thinking that was good. So it have you direct me towards that? Really excited to me. Like, I can pick this area, want to make sure I watch every game that's going to. Yeah, there's three. I think there's going to be three games left, is going to be at least to, you know, obviously. And I think they're all, it's all appointment Television right now, the way those teams are playing, it's, you know, and then moving. We'll see how these things shake out for the second round. In the third round things are going to get really crazy because the receding but that's down the road right now. Looks like a lot of fun first round action to to take care of and to watch and you know it's going to be fun throughout. Will's Avenue got notes on other stuff. I'll take one of your nerdy hockey stuff. Like I you have passion, I love hearing it. Nerdy hockey stuff. Okay. Yeah, okay, so so let's do this. So, so again, we talked about about Connor hellebuyck, he's fifty, nine of sixty, I believe is the numbers in terms of saves and shots to this point. I've got this pulled up here. So again, I mentioned the the goalie analytics earlier. Yeah, Connor hellebuyck has been expected speeds based on shot location to save 95.2% of unblocked shots that he saw. So basically try the doesn't get blocked on their player that comes in to PS to make the save on. He was expected so far based on what he's saying. Save 95.2% of them. He's saved 99.3. Wow. That's he always. He is third in, in, in sorry. In in goals saved above expected. So basically, how many more goals does he saved above? What is expected? Kind of a similar that he has saved five and half goals. These are goals that based on a lot of other metrics, our goals that should have gone in five goals, he's taken off the board in this series with outrageous. He's outraged. He's phenomenal, what's that? We shutting down that incredible Edmonton offense. I mean, he really is because Congress David puts up video game numbers. I mean, that's what literally what I was told by Nathan Shield this morning. He said he was like, that's, it's playing NHL video game. It's like, putting on rookie mode. It's like, yeah. You drop into dealing with their their career mode and you plan rookie and you put a numbers you maybe can get some McDavid at this point. He's and he's outrageous in the fact that that whole looking at Winnipeg group has managed to stymie him. It's not going to continue a can he's the best player on earth. He's going to get his eventually. But if they're up to games and Edmondson you know it doesn't matter if you're the better team. I think a dog Top to bottom is the better team, but it doesn't matter when you're done too well, you gotta win some games. I don't know that I you hear this in the NBA a lot people. Compare it, the NBA in the NFL and saying, like well in the NFL, you win one game, it's a fluke, but a series is harder. I don't I don't really like comparing, but I do like the thought that, you know, in the NFL you can create a great game plan and shut down Patrick Mahomes on a on a good sign, a good Sunday, right? But in the NHL to do what they've done, two games in a row against Edmonton. That's, that's not just a fluke. That's not one good game plan. That's, that's a really impressive hockey to me. Like, that's off your. I'd be surprised if they did it for a whole series. But, man, they've really taken that off the board from, it's just impressive, it's crazy. And it's, and it's frustrating on the other end. If you're, you know, if you're a fan, if you're a player of Oilers to know that you've got these two Elite guys and one guy who's just on the top of the mountain by himself and you've got it. You know, you've been watching tape playing this team All Season. You know what you gotta do dead. And then Connor hellebuyck wakes up and eats his Wheaties and he just decides. None of it matters. He everything you didn't practice all of your ability everything. You've done all your crazy moves, all your passes on your shot, it doesn't matter cuz I'm down here and that's and he's just, he's committing a larceny and he's hopefully I I think it's, I think it'd be fun to watch him continue to do it because he's again out of this world. Yeah, Austin. That's that's all I have. Is there anything else you want to talk about anything? I'm missing or any? I don't want to leave anything on the table so there's anything that you want to talk about it. I'm all ears. You know I think for now we've kind of went over it there's some series that are a lot more meaningful. I think to to the observer's I right now then others, we talked about Colorado's Saint Louis, we talked about about the house in Pittsburgh and how that stuff matters doesn't matter. I think that for now, we just sit back, we watch the utter chaos that is late, May hockey we enjoy ourselves and then when when round one comes to what will undoubtedly be a thrilling close? 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