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Fletcher gets detained; Detroit City FC news; Hamtramck canoe championship

Daily Detroit

18:13 min | Last month

Fletcher gets detained; Detroit City FC news; Hamtramck canoe championship

"Good generic time of the day. I'm jair stays and this. Is your daily detroit recorded on wednesday september eighth twenty twenty one today butter sharp covering a bunch of stories and stories around town. We'll get started right. After i quickly mentioned that our survey is up at daily detroit dot com slash survey. You will stop hearing about this shortly. But every single response counts. We've had great response so far. Thank you so much. We'd love to hear from you. And thank you. All right fletcher sharp. How are you man. I am very tired. I had a very eventful weekend and my body is reminding me that i am not twenty two years old anymore so i'm trying to work through that myself. I understand. the events are very positive because sir you are part of a championship team. Yeah so a few people actually did listen to that episode and go to hamtramck to throw balloons emmy which i don't know if it's great because he listened or bad 'cause they hit me in the face with balloons. You might not want to hear this. But i'm just going to declare it great on both counts because that's just awesome fair enough but I was a part of the hammock yacht. Canoe raises iran for whiskey in the jar and we won. We beat to weigh in the final. We beat smalls on the semi and we beat someone else. I forgot who and the browns. Before but yeah. It was a very fun experience. I was nervous because essentially you're pushing this kind of canoe like boat. Kinda looks like a piece of pizza that has wheels on the back wheel in the front. Almost like a wheelbarrow in the way. You're pushing it down Joseph campo turning around coming back down the street and in your other partners jump in. And i was worried so i was like to be slippery. I don't wanna fall become a meam. Like this is gonna be bad. But i was invited by my friend. Katie who works in a jar. And i was co-signed by former soccer team mate named sarah and i know sarah because she's very very athletic but she's like five three five four kind of compact strong lady but still compact. I can push down the street. And then she mentioned of teammate. Lauren and mike lauren who ends up being my neighbor. I'm like i can push down the street to then i met scott. Who's also my neighbor. And scott is much bigger than i got like six two six three like at least my weight or more and i was going to be a problem because i didn't prep the push someone like this down the street so i in all of my athletic glory reign as hard as i could pushing him down the street as fast. I could and did not realise less on camera how fast i was moving. I was literally it. Looked like when your friends is running with like a driving. Like a miata. And you're like nice and then then a nice corvette just speed right by and you're like oh my god. It looked like that like i was. I was moving some of the action shots of water hitting me in the face where funny to look at now but at the time there are many funny things that happened. Like there's a kid who literally made eye contact with me and pointed at me and pointed with a little two fingers in the is like i'm looking at you as a garay kid and then on the way back of being pushed he being me in the head so hard with a balloon like my head fully turned like it was one of those movies that scenes in the movie where they punch somebody in the guy goes. Ooh that was my head. Like i got it very hard by that kid. And he was so pleased with himself. I think the most amazing thing after the whole ordeal balloons and winning and getting the trophy. Which now hangs it hangs at. Whisking jar is Frank who was kind of had the megaphone instructing people he said now we clean up the street and we turned around. Answer a few questions or some local media. They're asking a few questions. I turn back around. The street was entirely cleaned. Every sharda balloon that popped or every blue that had not popped every water bottle or whatever is in the street shoes entirely cleaned. And that blew me away entirely. I the only time. I've seen something like that has been the japanese. National team plays soccer matches and after the game. They're fans cleaned the stadium there for fans alike. Thank you for allowing us in the stadium. Let's clean up detroit. Cfc's fans do the same for their supporting section. By all the time. I've ever seen that happened there entirely. Is there so to see the street. Just be clean as if like someone just swept it after like five minutes. Six minutes of kids and people picking up shards of it was amazing. It blew me away entirely. It was such a nice nice show. These people really care about their community and it was like a great great ending to a nice albeit hectic event partaken partaken. Well i'm proud of you. My friend and i am looking forward to drinking a cocktail under. That ship's wheel that they give to you as a trophy for winning those canoe races. I also want to say we have the best listeners. Possible guys are just awesome anyway. Detroit city f c starting off with the news. Nate stein washer has a new baby. Congratulations i don't have more details on that. But congrats however detroit city. F c still prevailed two to one over chattanooga. And i was kind of i was wondering why are mondo the backup. Keeper was in the game as did naked hurt. What happened whenever. I'm not gonna check twitter right now. Just get bit later. Detroit got up when nothing chattanooga clawed back in one. nothing in a nice palmetto Petillo fas header. Who's very much endearing himself to the city. Which is great to see. Classic classic goal score. It's been clutch at times. And he loves the fans when he scores he goes over there and he finds people to celebrate with which is really endearing But the goal of the game Came from mistake The ball came in from the right wing. Ez matthews late in the game and he went to try to one time it which is when they hit it one time towards the net or whether it's a passer shot and he whiffed entirely mckee went to hit it and whiffed and because physics the ball spun on its side next to him but spun high enough into the air where he could stop. Turn and bicycle kick at home. It was actually like if you made them do at ten ten times again. He could not redo it himself on purpose. It was it was very much like. Oh no oh no. Oh yes moment like it was. It was very much a nice thing to see to see the entire team. Go crazy in chattanooga players. Were just like i don't know like they threw their hands with. What can you do like. And they were down a man as well with that red card exactly which i mean fighting off a team like detroit down a man. You kind of hope for a draw. You don't wanna lose t. One loss is not the end of the world but like late night game. You fought so hard. You're like we're gonna try and get a draw. A goal like that happens to lose. It's gotta be heartbreaking as a player I can't really speak to that point. Because if we lose we might teams can definitely lose full strange because they're just not good enough good for detroit though what keeps them. At the top of the standings and a little known fact. I just found out in the short history of nasa. The number one goalkeeper in terms of shutouts and clean sheets is nate stein. Washer and right behind him with ten. It's ten democrat of michigan star. So it both. The detroit teams have both michigan. Have the top two keepers in the history of keeping the ball off the net and lisa and for those asking. Nate has fourteen clean sheets in his career. Playing an isa so new amsterdam is coming to town on september eleventh four pm. Of course fletch. We will be there. What do we have to look forward to. I really don't know because i keep saying that they suck discipline the as possible. They're not a good team based they suck and every week they go out there and give a decent results say for the gaming in chicago house where they got blown out. Yeah they're the top half of standings and in fact they're ranked above chattanooga right. Now it's it's. I'm trying to take them seriously. I am trying to take them seriously. Because now they've made some changes to the roster or they running a few players from the cosmo's they still have a blood budgie barnevik. Who claimed from the cosmo's on have their captain. Daniel daniel say they still have salvadoran. They have schivonne. John brown from came from the cosmo's so they're making changes to like bring in better players so like you know. They're too young of a team to have the reputation of just stinking and just that sticking with all their players they've brought in former. Us national player. Jermaine jones is one of their assistant coaches. I dunno long. He's going to stay. But that's a very big name because a coach Someone who will put butts in the seat just to watch and be there. I know his aspirations are to coach. as head coach somewhere so to start would be nice place. It'd be lisa. But i i just i don't see them beating detroit. I don't i don't think they have. I think they've my bill to keep the game close. Maybe to nothing. But i don't see them actually having the firepower in the legs to keep up with way detroit's playing right. Now you can have me net against there. And i still don't think i'd probably have to face a shot too late in the game. Detroit's defense is playing great. Their offense is finishing more chances and Yeah there just the again. They're putting teams in strangleholds. Where it's like you think you're ahead. You think you're ahead. You think you have a chance you blink and now you're down to nothing and like you're chasing goals like won't come so i think to nothing probably the right call for this game against new amsterdam. While i am excited for saturday but i will have to resist all urges to reference that they might be giants song even old. New york was once new amsterdam. Does that where they got their name from. New york was a dutch city and when it was it was called new amsterdam. You know just like the song. Even old new york was once new amsterdam. You know istanbul not constantinople. I don't really have words to describe Feeling right now so. I'm just going to say okay. Well before i let you go. You experienced my personal nightmare. And i feel the scared. The feelings whenever i drive near that exit verner over by like that section of mexican town by zo. She's and all that and when you make the wrong turn and if you end up on the bridge i who could shut us thinking about it. Yes so i was playing a dfl game at fort wayne. We'd just drawn one to one in the bar league. And i was like well. You know awesome. I'm gonna go home now because we should've worn annoyed so i got my car gone. The freeway got onto the expressway. And as i'm trying to go some cars driving next to me spend a speed. You know you watch those movies or people are speeding and kind of wavering. A little bit. And you're like all right. This car is a little dangerous. So i guess he's trying to get over to he got in front of me and just cut right across from me and the way that his car was angled. He was going to hit the front of my car. And you know either gonna spin. Our just hit the back of his car entirely and i was like. I'm not doing that. Not get another accident. No thank you. So i braked hard and pulled right together his way and then. I hawk my horn lake. Hey you jerk will paraphrase. So i'm like all right well. I'm on this exit. I'll just keep driving on his exit. And then i'll get a chance to turn around. You know get back to the main street. I notice that exits breaking the right. I'm like all right cool. You know that's where That's that's where the main street is. That's where ford street is unfortunate. You know take that home. I'm like weird ford street. The streets turning bit more than it is towards ford. Why is it curling backwards. And i'm like oh that's the bridge. Oh no how. Can i turn it around so i went to the gas station there and i was like how can i turn around. They're like you can't you can go the wrong way down the street but you'll get an accident and i'm like i might do that. They're like no. It's going to be your get arrested. I was like all right. Well how do i knock on the bridge. They're like well better. You can get a you. Get to the bridge. So i was driving really slow going up there and people are like man keep going. I'm a go around. I'm trying to figure something out. Police officers can help you turn around. And he kind of looked at me. Like what. And i'm again turn around. He's like okay. Turn around up there and notice where he pointed was literally like across the bridge to going to canada. And i was like. I'm not doing that. Meanwhile while this is all happening my partner is waiting at her job and he picked up by me so terrible So i took a u-turn before the bridge thankfully and go to customs. And i pull in and after being the line the guys like high can have your passport. Please and i give them my license. And he's like it's this is not an enhanced license. It's it's you know a regular one. I'm like i know i got turned around the freeway. I avoided an accident. And i got turned around and got put here. I'm just trying to see what what the next step is. He's like wait so you did not go to canada. And i'm like no i did. Not and he's like so. Why are you here. Because i told you i just got cut off turn back around and i got pushed onto this lane. I didn't want to go to canada and have them tell me to come back. So i figured i'd just come here and talk to you. So he's a. Can i search your car. And i was like sure. She's so this little lady to go look in the back of my car. She opened the back of my car. I have a bunch of beer cans and need to be returned. They've been in my car and a plastic bag for like five. Six months. Like is just how behind i am on stuff. And she's like okay. Where'd you buy. These from. And i was like i don't know cvs. I don't know some store. They're like all right well. They're alcoholic cans so yeah the alcohol in the car. I was like no. I don't like okay. Well we're these candidate from the us. Unlike yes they are like okay. Well you have interim in the customs. And i was like why. Why don't you do that. And the guy's never mind. We'll come back to that later. He's just pull up there. We'll talk to you for a little bit. You know you'll be fine to go so they detained me for almost two hours. And i came back. They had toward my car apart. All my papers were everywhere on. My music had been pressed forward about five or six songs. So you're listening to my playlist. Which i guess as good I sat there for almost two hours and the people were like someone pulled me up there like your shirts very wet. Why i'm like it's sweat like. Why are you sweating. And i was like. I was playing soccer before i got here. He's like what were you playing soccer at historic fort wayne. That's in detroit. I'm well aware of where it is. Sir i wasn't in canada. He's so why are you here. I'm like you tell me like i. I've been here for fifty minutes now. And like i don't know what to tell you you tell me they'd taken my phone. They took anything. I can use to communicate with people's. I'll just sitting there with family from mexico. A guy from syria to people from greece and someone else from other latin american country who were just there for legit like we try to get to the country and we couldn't and then my gums was just sitting there like i got turned around and then the thing that kind of made it worse which i can look back and chuckle now. Is i know when you go to countries. They have to like make sure much money. You have to make sure that you're not bringing in like you know illegal money whether it's drugs or anything of the sort i watch narcos. I know what happens. So whatever so they like. How much money do you have on your pocket right now. And i'm like five dollars four or five dollars a guys like why do you. Why do you have such little money on my all my credit card. He's like okay so he writes them on the sheet of paper. And then sticks it to my chest. And it goes fletcher. Sharp five dollars. So i'm sitting in a room with people who have like legit like emmanuel such and such you know x. amount of money like a thousand two thousand dollars. Eight hundred dollars or something. They're looking at my sticker like five dollars. Like what are you doing. And i'm like i just i just wanna go home. Wasn't expecting this. I now people looking like like some weird little broke boy. Like why do i have five dollars in your pocket. That's strange any change. And i was like no. That's really weird of you to have just five dollars five singles at that so finally i got to go home as my partner and i got gotta hug that never expected to get. She's like i thought you were like goner. I'm like i thought i was too. They took my phone. They took all my stuff. And i just thought figured like i'll see you tomorrow. I guess after sleeping it off in this detainment area so thankfully i'm back. I am not any on any lists and yet it's a long story long story short moral the story If you see the you might crossover to where the the bridge or the the tunnel is if between that and having your target hit you might have your car. Just get hit. Save you the hassle of being detained for two hours. Well i'm glad that border patrol didn't permanently snatch you. That's a plus. I'm also glad that. I'll be seeing you on saturday for the detroit city. F c game at keyword four. Pm unusual time one highlight that definitely honestly my only feeling about that. Is i just feel really stupid. Because i knew the bridges right there and i didn't think that all the street led to the bridge. I'm like i'm going right. Back to jani king or something and i'll figure it out from there and it's like no. You're going to canada now. You are now on your way to you. Know the maple leaf country so good luck But yeah i am very happy to be out of there and to be able to cover. Dc fc games and people actually want to hear my opinion and stuff and instead of people asking you the same question five times in four different ways so hopefully we can get these borders right soon and get some international matches going man. I remember when we used to play windsor. Yeah windsor stars. Were a really good team on. They still are all right now. Actually at one point detroit used to send their players over on loan to windsor star to give them some extra playing time. It'd be nice to you. Know not even. Maybe maybe not windsor. Maybe someone like toronto missouri or someone that level or maybe even someone bigger like you know maybe get another English team or spanish team or german team to come over and just play. I get why because right now the. Us is a hot zone and like the players who play over in. Europe cannot come to this country and then go back to having a quarantine. So i understand why but it'd be nice if we could get past that as a collective World so that we can get back to doing some stuff normal will never be normal as as normal was before but as close as possible to be really nice. Well we're done for today. Thank you so much for listening to your daily detroit. We do this every single week day. So apple podcasts. Spotify overcast google podcasts. Wherever you download your favorite shows. I'm jair stays to care of each other and i'll see you around detroit.

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Why WeWork Didn't Work

Gadget Lab Podcast

40:15 min | 3 months ago

Why WeWork Didn't Work

"Life is full of things to manage your work. Your family your plans and your treatment consider key symptom ofa tomb amount twenty milligram injection. You can take it yourself from the comfort of home if you're ready for something different. Ask your healthcare provider about key. Santa and check out the details at key symptom dot com brought to you by novartis pharmaceuticals corporation. Mike lauren. mike. Do you ever wish that. Our office at wired had kabukicho on tap or that we described it as a physical social network. Or maybe that we would just remove the. I are the d. From our name. And we i can honestly say that. I don't think i've ever desired any of those things. Well a lot of people bought into those ideas of what an office should be and it didn't exactly we work out. Nope hi everyone. Welcome to gadget lab. I'm lauren good. I'm a senior writer at wired. And i am michael. Laurie senior editor wired. Today we're joined by special guests wall street journal reporter's maureen farrell and eliot brown. Thanks to both of you for joining us. Thanks for having us so the two of you have written. A new book called the cult of we. We work adam newman in the great startup delusion and the book of course is about the sort of we work. So if you aren't familiar we work rented out. Shared office spaces often called co working spaces and it was valued at forty seven billion dollars but that all came crashing down when the company tried to go public and had to reveal. It's truly wild business practices and the risks to its business. So elliott maureen. You've both been reporting on. We work for years and before we get into the wild we work stories. Can you first explain what we work started as right because i think a lot of people have heard about it as unicorn with a charismatic leader and with all of the trappings and allure of a modern tech ish company but it actually had a business what made we work and its business model different. What was it selling people. So depending how far back you want to go there was a predecessor company that The same founders started Which was called green desk and That was an idea of. We wanna take some office space and instead of Carving it up into a zillion different private offices. We should just have a bunch of cubicles little offices that people all share together and then they can go to the same coffee pot and go to the same bathroom water and they can pay by the month instead of paying by the year so it was sort of. Just you know pretty basic office space subleasing concept and then basically the thing happened with with. We work when they actually started. We work which was an idea of just you know. There's a lot of graphic designers and new york hanging out meeting space to go. There's a lot of one person lawyers. Why are they getting their own individual offices. Let's put together. Let's make the walls out of glass or the place doesn't feel really cramped and light streams in through the windows and we can have fun together and most of all we all you know they they pay we work rent every month and we were pay some landlords rent Every year for ten years. And so that that idea that we work with structure. These leasing deals for up to ten years. Was that new in commercial office space. No we work. What was new about. We were so there had been companies that had done office space subleasing before but they usually carved things up sort of they didn't have a communal aspect to it. We worked that was new and they were not the only one to do it. A lot of people were doing this at the time and they even sort of just lifted this idea from someone else was to have all of these different companies in the same larger office paying by the month. together And sharon conference rooms and sharing kitchen and sharing coffee The sort of shared common space was the main thing and then we work eventually started started talking more about the community aspect of it so one of the things that helped him stand out obviously and the main character in your book is the co founder. Adam newman something that we hear again and again in the book is that he is just able to win people over almost immediately with his idea and his vision he has. This insane charisma How would you describe his presence. His presence physically. He's larger than his larger than life in so many ways. He's physically so tall. He's six five. He really takes up so much space in the room and he's waving his hands. He's walking around. You go into a room with him and he takes over the room. He talks a mile a minute but he also has this way. I guess to other things i mean. If connecting with people immediately he can kind of do that thing. Many charismatic people can do that. Make you feel like the only person in the room and is so interested. He can be very warm when you meet him in a kind of surprising way and then he has this ability to talk about the future. As if it's the president and to sort of he could take the the most kinda surprising Implausible thing basically and make people feel as if it's current and it's already happened basically. That's just how he spoke and he can. He can just take you into his version of reality in a way. It's very hard to do. Rarely seen anyone do that. He also just like oozes fun and You especially for sort of like these baby boomer landlords who would come meet him ensued but like. Hey let's have a tequila shy. It's like it's ten. Am and so really connected especially with older you know wealthy men but young people to like he had a real wave of livening the The office up and so it sounds like he was really effective at getting people to buy in both on the investing side and then also the folks. He was hiring totally. Yeah i mean you know. People would say that like one one for employees where to them forever you know. Magic was not only convincing you of his crazy vision. And you thinking it's real but then convincing you so much that you suddenly are able to convince other people answer. Yeah i mean we're really just draw you quickly and you drink the kool aid You know he was also pretty famous for developing a fast and loose culture at the company for example summer camp. Can you tell us about summer camp. I mean summer camp. He he grew up in israel. He always say he never went to american summer camps so he was going to recreate this and for his all his employees. It started out up state new york. His wife's family had a summer camp up there and they ran it so it had i mean just anything you could dream of if you were twelve year old going to summer. Camp you know Late rafting kayaking all sorts of things. I never went to summer camp. But that i would imagine being there and they always pick like a cool man that oftentimes with break out or multiple ones later that year they had a way of finding those types of entertainment acts. But then there was. Alcohol was flowing from the minute. You set foot there and drugs. Supposedly alcohol supply company. I don't think drugs were but it was. It was a wild party for multiple days. Just like wired right. Mike sounds just like this place and these people were they would fly the whole company in for this and this wasn't just new york. I mean when they were larger they had it in the uk on mike giant estate. Where you know. Some twelfth century nobles would go elk or deer hunting and they flew six thousand people from around the world Just to there for for this long weekend To give them large bottles of rosa and some edm concerts. They also just burn money at night. Because that's what he's probably would've been more efficient to do it that way. Yeah i mean these things were not cheap. I think the last one was like fifty like ten to fifteen million dollars And yeah is sort of like everything totally under the sun and then atoms personal like compound was above all the rest of the employees and ten dis too on top of this hill looking down and he had just like the case. After case of booze is pretty intense. Give a little bit of context though for how we were fit into like this group of unicorns at this time right because we're going back more than ten years at this point the early twenty tens were known for sort of frothiness in the tech industry. If you want to call we work tech company. So how different was this. Or how much more outrageous was this. From other stories we would hear about tech companies. The time i think we work with sort of like the stereotypical startup but with an exponent multiplied by some extraordinary like it was just You watch hbo show silicon valley. And we're like oh. We should do that times. Five and so. I mean like there's just sort of unreal stuff that you see in silicon valley like adam had a spiritual adviser who trail him around and the executive staff would have weekly meetings with them to learn about kabala So it was sort of the stuff that a lot of people make fun of about silicon valley culture and then they would do it many times that and then you all have a lot of fun. We'll do Maureen you briefly mentioned a couple of questions adams wife rebecca. She's a big part of the work story. Can you tell us about her sure. She is a big part of the we work story and it's interesting a few different ways. I mean she. They met before he founded. We work. She was sort of retroactively dubbed. Co-founder some of the things we've heard from the very early days. She was around but not really at the time. She was pursuing an acting career directing career and we hear that should give tours of the office and say she picked out the coffee. Amenike of the right vibe for the office. It didn't seem like she had a real big role. But if you years later she was made a co founder and some investors. Were like miss this fine. Whatever sa- she was when she played a really important role with him in more than just a staus at beginning in the early days. She really sort of. They met and she introduced him to a lot of people she had all these hollywood hollywood connections she was gwyneth paltrow cousin. She was to grow very wealthy. I think she's sort of opened doors for him and sort of pushed him to think even bigger about you know what he might do when the well deck even wanted. I think he just saw new things with her. And then as time went on the company she did get more involved. It was very much kind of jumping around in some ways. But she jumped into marketing rules. Branding and Eventually she started a school. That was a school for their children. Done under the. We work umbrella that very much paid for so she had. I mean she's just had such an interesting role throughout not Traditional co-founder roller even traditional staus bowl She played an interesting part in the company So at what point was we work at its peak. Like what years are we talking about. And how many office spaces did they manage at their at their peak. Yeah sure so like you know they. They started out in two thousand ten with one office And like twenty eighteen twenty nineteen was where where they really hit the peak and you know basically. They went from having seventeen people on the first floor when they opened to having four hundred five hundred thousand people paying them monthly rent But by the time everything fell down. You know that's like the population of the twin cities in minnesota or near the population san francisco. So it's pretty astounding and that was obviously fueled by a lot of money but but yeah we became this massive business at least when you talk about something that grows over ten years i. It's hard to do that and that was one of the more astounding things was kind of. Just how quickly they were able to grow. And just put these. We work flags and we were signs on buildings in skylines from like on the tops of towers in seoul in hong kong and new york. Boston and as we saw i mean his ambitions just grew bigger and bigger and bigger and it just kind of took on a life of its own this company. I mean he. He saw himself as a world leader. Sort of i mean. He was starting to keep the company of world leaders but he really Meeting people all over the world thinking of himself. I mean he almost started to talk about. We work twenty eighteen before things would start crashing. Burn in the past tense. He was like we've built this thing. Now we're going to you know. Solve world peace sin on at this. The final summer camp was saying we're gonna children without parents. We will solve that problem. We will will cure all the world's ills and it was just. It was getting almost manic over the years. He he very manic personality. But it was. You know let's go by a wave pool company. we've endless capital will go make all these kinda crazy acquisitions. And we know a lot of them. They actually executed a lot. We wound up hearing that he was going after like sweet green. They were gonna buy sweet green and many others. It was like every everything was possible for him and he was trying to do a little bit of everything and no one was really stopping him. He wanted to buy lift. I mean sure. Why not all right. We're gonna take a quick break when we come back we're going to talk more about we work ultimately what led to the ousting of newman The fall of we work and what ended up being a prolonged legal battle. Between adam newman and softbank so stay tuned dealing with things. Id or depression can be paralyzing. But you should know that you're not broken and you're not alone and when you want help bright side is there for you. Bright sign offers personalized life changing anxiety depression care from your own home. Most mental health providers make getting help exhaustingly difficult or you get the same treatment as everyone else and don't feel any better. Bright side offers help for the full spectrum of anxiety and depression conditions. 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Take your free mental health assessment and get up to one hundred dollars credit on your first month of treatment at bright side dot com slash gadget. That's bright side dot com slash gadget. Bright side dot com slash gadget. Welcome back mike. Do you wanna kick us off in this one. Sure so one. Big turning point in the works story is adam. Newman's relationship with the japanese firm softbank and its ceo masayoshi sun. How did that relationship form. So they met in india of happen to be Asked to go to indiana. Speak conference called startup india. He did sort of a tour. Masa happened to be also at this conference to the headliners along the travis county in two thousand sixteen so they met very briefly there they kind of hit it off quickly but nothing came of it until later that year. Moscow is coming. It's it's a kind of a crazy story. he was coming to new york to meet with trump. I don't know if you remember when right. After trump's election he had this sort of parade of visitors. Come in to meet him at trump tower and was one of those. There is a news conference. He pledged fifty billion dollars to invest in america and trump said. You know it's all because of me and basically on the way there. He made a pit stop. Which was a twelve minute pitstop. He get got a whole tour of we were headquarters. Downtown adam prepped for it was really hoping he landed investment for masa told minute tour masa late said he had to go. He invites athen to join him in the car to go uptown. Meet trump over the course of thirty to forty five minute. Traffic snarled ride to trump tower. They sketch out a plan. And adam gets out of the car in midtown and he Had lands a four point. Four billion dollar investment and by all accounts. It was Just as spontaneous as it sounds like it was really you know they. They sketch down on a piece of paper on ipad. What the world would look like if we were grew what this four point. Four billion dollar investment would go towards and masa leaves. Adam runs back office like showing paper freaking out knows what he's talking about. And that was the genesis of their their union and in many ways mean funding like that. Just begets more funding right like because people start feeling a sense of foam. Oh by people. I mean investors. And it's actually kind of astonishing. How companies like we work or uber lift can spend billions of dollars yet. Continue to attract new investors So i mean you've covered capital markets for the journals. I wanted to ask like. Can you explain how that funding perpetuates more funding it We've been living in this age. Now it seems like it's starting to turn where there was just so much private capital and it was the foam. Oh aspect is that people saw facebook like previously. If you invested in the amazon you can make a return once. It went public some huge gigantic return companies were going public leader leader and leader so there is the sense that you have to get in early in the private markets so that became this sort of unleashed a flood of capital weather venture investment starting to increase the mutual funds going in to these companies. You had sovereign wealth funds. That's where masa got heart. His money he got money from almost fifty billion dollars from saudi arabia and other middle eastern Nations so yet as flood happening just kind of said off itself And weird thing about when masa in soften came in was the world is starting to get the small. He had tapped almost every pocket of capital he could find and he was sort of running out of checks define he was about to have to go public. And then you know. Masa cam made his twelve twelve. Took his twelve minutes tour something. He had four point four billion dollars. Yeah we we. We like to say that we work. In addition to being sort of caricature on the cultural sense of startups it's a caricature on the fundraising front. I mean they every loose chunk of money in every given year they like hit on the head raised time and i think it was. You know this is the same of that that class of twenty ten of unicorns like uber and lift that just hemorrhaged money with we work. It was always sort of the same game plan. You go to funders asked for money. Say i'm gonna do something new great. It's going to be profitable but now i need to do apartment so i need money for that. I need to do china. i need money for that. I need to elevate consciousness. I need to raise money for that. And so each time the money got bigger and no one was really noticing like with. We were every time at doubles in size. It doubles its losses. And so like you know if you suddenly need four billion dollars and then you burn through that in two years. Then you're bigger and you're going to need eight billion dollars the next time and so yeah i mean i think we were always come back to the well. I don't think people were really just kept thinking that the ambitions we're getting bigger which they were but they weren't realizing the the central business was also This real hot mess. Yeah one one. Three in the book is at adam always wanted to take really big swings right like the very very beginning of the company. He would brag until his friends. My company is going to be worth a billion dollars someday and everything had to be as big as possible. He wants turned down an early funding offer from goldman sachs that would have placed. We works value at two hundred million dollars simply because he thought that particular evaluation was too low so he's just collecting all these checks for years and years and then what ultimately happened so ultimately the music stopped or he he flew too close to the sun or the emperor had no clothes. There's a number of good metaphor but You know basically the story with we work was one of a mirage where was able to and the private markets were able to convince themselves for nine years. That this real estate company was a tech company and had the properties of a disruptive fast growth tech company even though you know have the properties of a poorly run real estate company And then it kind of went too far. And they sh in the summer of twenty nineteen. They tried to ipo because they ran out of money and they needed more and they made everything public and the world took a look at that document that you do when you go public. And they were like w t.f. What is this thing. The other part of this. I think is that you know every player around atom up until that point was had very little incentive to push back there's a disincentive. They were all just hoping to get to that. Finish line in cash out whether it's benchmark one of the early funders they were. They stood to make so much money In the ipo. You had softbank You had you had the banks who are his advisors. They really wanted bad fees that they were stood to get if they were leading the ipo as advisors. That's like just a huge. It's huge for their branding plus fees. So it's like all these people who could have checked him along the way didn't stand up his board of directors. They let him go. They this company. Adam pushed it envelope. Worry too far clearly. And they're the people the guardrails that could have been there weren't there so what happened to adam he got. He got booted eventually. Those incentives changed may changed very quickly and very dramatically. They were on the precipice of an ipo. And adam was going out and doing this. This document came out. The world was sort of aghast looking at all these conflicts of interest the all the money that they were losing. And you know everyone Questions sort of piled up. Adam doing his typical pitch to investors. And it just wasn't working. They were asking real questions. Like why are you losing so much money. And he was doing his routine a look here ladder company anyway and it became very clear that investors weren't gonna buy in as it got closer and closer to the ipo than elliott also wrote an article d tailing a lot of questionable behaviors. That adam had including probably the most extreme being the lead of this article that he wrote which is about him taking marijuana to israel leaving it in a cereal box and that was published right before they were supposed to go public. I mean we've heard this now. During our reporting we saw at the time that advisors his board and others said a felony potentially bringing drugs on an international flight. That alone was like he. They couldn't take the company public after that was revealed So yeah then instead of changed and people just turned on him very quickly his board his bankers jamie diamond them in they just to varying degrees sort of started to tell him. Maybe shouldn't you try to stay at the helm of this company. This company might not exist. Because you're gonna run out of money. You need money and the public markets will never accept. We work if you leave the company. I think that the sort of detail of adam is is one of founder control and and He he initially had and then thought to maintain that his full control over the company even though he he owned a fraction of it. And that's why he was able to do all this crazy stuff on the way up. They were giving him billions industries. Were giving him billions of dollars and also the keys to the car and he's a kind of crazy guy so he's going to do crazy things The only time that that really you lose that control can lose. That control is when you run out of money and so he needed more money to keep the train running. And when the ipo didn't work out we were going to run out of cash and so that gave suddenly that that's why the power flipped and suddenly the board empowered to to actually do something. So where is adam newman. Now and how rich is he saying that. He's he's backed the it's a great question. Because i mean when you look at the power dynamics. He's backed into a corner. He's essentially pushed out of this company. He cofounded yet he. The company comes close to imploding. Thousands of people are laid off yet. He negotiates this exit package for himself and he is more than a paper billionaire now. I think it's fair to say he's a true billionaire he's cash. He was able to sell out of shares. They gave his softbank when they took full control of the company. Kind of rescued it. They gave him a hundred eighty five million dollar consulting contract so he walked away with a nice. You know tidy. What is it ten figures song. Nice work if you can get it. Yeah see see now. Launching festival called fire festival part. Two is that like the next thing we know. He's he's definitely investing in things. He's sort of trying to get into real estate stuff but yeah unclear. How exactly he's going to spend it. He clearly wants to be involved in startups. And if not running a new one. He's sort of batted around ideas around apartments but yes he is not short on money and what happened to. We work as a business. It's still exists right before this podcast. I looked up on google maps. You know is there a we worked near where i live and at least a couple came up in results. So what's it status. Now yes so. We work is quite large by desk. Count because of this ten billion plus investment. That went into it that actually even when you spend a lot of it on on buying wave schools wasting money on beer kegs. It turns out you build a lot of offices so they have a ton of offices thanks to the pandemic they don't have vat many tenants but they are going to be sort of this early indicator as to how many people go back to the office i think their occupancy is a little over fifty percent now it really needs to be in the eighty percent range should be really healthy and they say they're going to get there quickly but i don't think anyone really knows the future but it'll be interesting test more broadly. I don't think we're gonna be talking about them much as sort of like tech reporters Incoming years because it's become a real estate company which is what it was always and you know how many episodes have you devoted to wgn international workgroup. Its competitor and. Forgive me if you've done a lot putting pen in that one. That's a great idea. So yeah i imagine it. They'll they'll make some noise because it's a brand we all sort of no But going forward. I mean it's it's gonna be a more state office space subleasing company. At least that's what i would expect but it remains very on trend because it is set to go public later this summer through a spat. It was announced in actor the trendy thing of twenty twenty one so right presume if all goes according to plan and a reason not to it will be a publicly traded company in within a month or two in very quickly explain for our listeners. Those who have not been following special purpose acquisition companies. What is visit out. A stack is basically a pool of capital that a group of investors go out and raise on the public markets and pool of capital is. You don't know the blank check. Essentially to go out and acquire a a private company and take public through this vehicle and it's been a super trendy thing on wall street and we've seen a lot of a lot of crazy companies go public vehicles and a lot of normal good companies. But there's been a tremendous amount of money devoted to these backs and movie yet in different of frothiness than the market right. Now spicer the news softbank. Yes and i also look forward to seeing we work at some point. Put on the blockchain as nf or something like that. Thank you so much for that recap. Let's take another quick break and then we'll come back with recommendations two out of three men will experience some form of hair loss by the time they're thirty five more than fifty million men in the. Us suffer from male pattern baldness. There are only two. Fda approved medications that can prevent hair. Loss keeps offers both keeps offers a simple stress. Free way to keep your hair. Convenient virtual doctor consultations and medications delivered straight to your door every three months. You don't have to leave your home. Low cost treatment started. Just ten dollars per month and keeps offers generic versions. It comes in discreet. Packaging with proven results. 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You know because they lose their home and then there in the motel Did you watch this this netflix special. Where they went behind the scenes at the end of season six. No i haven't. I still have something to watch. It is so good. I mean tears. Yes you have to watch that. That's awesome elliott. What's your recommendation. Also not terribly new. But i recently listened to the podcast fiasco which is by a friend on the season on iran contra which i knew nothing about totally fascinating where essentially we were got. Mardi gonna mess this up. We were selling trading drugs for money for arms to involving iran contras in latin america and oliver north and reagan and a whole bunch of fun. The senate hearings that were like this huge scandal but really sorta like slipped through without too much damage. And what's the name of that. Podcast again fiasco. You said. Yeah by disclosure. It's by a friend. Leon who did slow-burn at sleepy. Slow burns really. That must be really good somewhere in a closet. I have a shredder. Molly bumper sticker if you remember everything shredded mike. What's your recommendation So i want to recommend a streaming music platform. It's called mix cloud I i thought that everybody had heard of this. But i've been telling people about it. And i've discovered that a lot of my friends have not heard of it so i'm going to recommend it here on the show You may know soundcloud as a place where like deejays were putting their mixes up for a lot of years so if you're into like electronic music or if you listen to dj's who post a lot of like jazz and hip hop and reggae and stuff you would for a long time. Find a lot of that on soundcloud. In recent years soundcloud has shifted is business model to be more about people who create original work and less about people who post mixes deejays and stuff like that so a lot of. Dj's have moved over to mixed cloud mixed cloud has been around almost as long as soundcloud. But it's platform is geared towards people who make mixes and there's just a wealth of amazing stuff on there if you like hip hop if you like acid jazz if you like you know nineteen sixties soul if you like rock steady if you like Sigheh trance burning men. Music it's all on there. You can follow the tags to find people that you like. You follow them. You see what they're listening to you. Get new recommendations It's a global community. So there's a lot of stuff from europe and latin america and asia. It's really wonderful It's a platform it's free to listen. There are like you know paid tears but you get a lot out of it for free. So that's my recommendation If you're looking for some adventures in You know sonic our long journeys checkout mixed cloud. Lauren what is your recommendation. I'm going to stick with the real estate theme this week. And i'm going to recommend a website called the listings project. it's actually a newsletter and it's run by stephanie diamond. Who's an artist and entrepreneur and a community builder and it's this inclusive artists focused newsletter for residential rentals and sublets off temporary and in some cases. You can find an artist studio or workspace on there as well and it's in a bunch of cities around the us some cities in europe. And it's just a nice way to check out select pre vetted listings for people who are looking for temporary solutions to their living situations. So i imagine during the pandemic it was probably pretty popular because people became a little bit more mobile with remote work. And sometimes we're looking for the you know. I want to stay in a city for four months. Because it's a good amount of time to like work remotely and maybe settle in quarantine is needed. And then maybe moved somewhere else. People were looking for like apartments swaps shares. That would work for them and Yeah i just. 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I Bike, You Bike, Ebike

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I Bike, You Bike, Ebike

"This episode is brought to you by athena health. Some healthcare it companies have just begun to move toward connected systems. Athenahealth's started there. See how they're innovative. Nationwide provider network enables the insights that drive. Better clinical and financial outcomes learn more at athena health dot com. Mike lauren. mike. Your bike guy. In fact we should probably just call you by ca luria. Please put five dollars in the pun jar so terrible. I'm sorry are how do you feel about e bikes. I love you bikes. They make cycling more accessible to more people. And you know it keeps people out of cars a lot of times because people will choose an e bike for route that they would normally choose for car. So i'm i'm all for them. Well that's exactly what we're going to be Cycling through today nice. nice hello. Welcome to gadget lab. I'm lauren good. I'm a senior writer at wired. And i michael gloria senior editor at wired. And we're also joined this week by wired. Senior associate reviews editor adrian so who joins us from portland. He adrian guys and wired reviews editor julian takato. Who's joining us from new york city. Hey julian all right. So this is the e bike episode. It's everything you've ever wanted to know about e bikes if you're a regular listener of this podcast or if you read wired you know that. We like to talk about bikes. But here's the thing. And this is where i ruined my credit as a tech writer. Here i've never ridden an e bike. Never i know what my colleagues here. Tell me aka by kalari. they're fast. They're fun to ride and they can free up traffic and cut down on emissions so today we're talking about both buying and renting e bikes in the second half of the show. Adrian is waiting to tell us what you need to know about buying any bike. If you're ready to make that commitment but first let's talk about just kind of dipping our toes in. Let's talk about bike sharing because julian you recently wrote about lifts new e bike would this is lift the ridesharing company and they're doing e bikes. Tell us about this right. So lift actually owns several fleets around the country as they're called they're bike sharing fleets Many of them have regular bikes. Traditional or at a log bikes. However you want to call them and then some of them are pedal assist bikes which are also known as electric bikes and so there is a current electric bike already. But this is a new version that they unveiled. Its currently in public beta. It's going to be available in the bay area as well as in select other cities initially like new york and chicago but essentially it's just an improved version of their pedal assist bike. It's more powerful. It does everything for you. So you don't need to deal with any gears or anything like that so it's very beginner. Friendly you just kind of hop on and go and it has enough power to sort of accurately give you power when you're going up a hill for example or it sort of manages all of that by itself. You don't really need to think about it or anything you just kinda ride and go and if you need that extra power to cut across the road then it'll give it to you or if you need less power because you're on a flat road then it won't you know overburden you with so much that you're going super fast. And it's all also limited to City limits so for example in new york it's limited to twenty miles per hour but they did a couple more things with this version. They made it completely reflective paint job. So it's much safer to see at night or easier to see. I should say and the breaks are also stronger and has a much larger range of sixty miles. They say which. I don't think anyone is really going on a sixty mile round trip with an electric bike from the bike share program but paid now. Now you can. That's that's probably that's about ten rides or so. Yes like like city bike or like bay wheels in san francisco. Yes with having that larger range. It just basically means that it's not necessarily for one writer to take it out sixty mile trip but it means the service. Operators don't have to swap out those batteries as often. Because it'll just last a whole lot longer so the battery is actually have to be swapped out. There not rechargeable so that's two different methods at the moment they do. Have these vans that. Just go by these fleet stations. And they'll find the electric one swap them out and that's still going to be the case with the new one but left is also implementing these new charging stations into the existing docking stations. So some select charging station. Starting this year will actually have the ability to chew automatically. We charged those bikes when they're docked so they won't need to replace them as often or at all. I know that lime the scooter company in portland that they have like their fleet of contractor juicers or whatever that they pay like some nominal fee like run around like find all the scooters to recharge them. So i don't know if lift is doing that to basically similar Do they just basically all in a van. They're not call juicers that is but it's basically it's super easy to swap out the batteries but then of course if they're implementing and connecting. These docs to the grid then. They don't need to do that at all. And i think the ideas eventually. We'll get to a point where all of these existing stations will just be able to automatically charge these things. But at the moment i think that would require a lot of overhaul in the public infrastructures. Extra sector so. I think that basically is the easiest way to just swap out the batteries every once a day. Maybe every other day depends on how much it's being used to these. E bike shares come with helmets or other safety gear. You might need. They do not they all recommend that you wear one and you bring your own but that responsibly design you some public programs. Give you some helmets for free. I know new york has like a specific helmet fitting class that you can sort of find with the department of transportation and they'll actually give you a free helmet if you go and attend while supplies last but the idea is that there are ways for you to maybe procure a free helmet. Maybe depending on your city. I've seen it. Es what we've all seen at. Cas actually those inflatable helmets. Like the small ones that like you could wear around your neck or like better pocket-sized and then when they sense that you'd like had an impact of some kind like suddenly inflate like i don't know if you guys have remember seeing that guy falling down repeatedly the last time we were at yet he hasn't person Like it all comes up like that would be my ideal solution. There is just like a vending machine next. Select the dock. And you could just get like your pocket-size like inflatable helmet and just like pay like two dollars for a bit. Like that is as my dream. Do you know the person at list that i could write to julia idea. Just tweet at them and idea. Remember that that guy. He was wearing an inflatable vest to and he just kept writing this bike around. This carpeted ballroom in vegas like throwing himself on the floor for the for the best to inflate which is cool in theory. But i guess if it malfunctions then Especially if it's on your noggin. That's not a good thing and of malfunctioning. At one point a couple years ago lift pulled some of its e bikes out of us because some people were having some breaking problems In that kind of seems like a nightmare scenario right especially to place like san francisco like you're going down a hill and you break really fast and injury results. So i'm curious like are these. E bikes generally going to require more maintenance or safety features than regular bikes and with that in any way prevent their widespread adoption. Those my question to lauren. Because the electrics and the by problems in portland are not quite so well documented but people here have been pulling you know a lot of electric scooters out of the river and i'm not really technically sure if the scooter shares are even still profitable at this point because the lifespan of them is about like three to four months. And you have to kind of like balance like how. I ride my bike once a day versus a scooter. That gets redan like a dozen times a day. Like what is what is the use like how long are these. Scooters actually serving people but longevity of bike shares in scooters is kind of an issue for me like i don't like the images of Cleanup crews pulling dozens of bike share bikes and scooter share scooters out of the bottom of the willamette river. Hots my dream. I hope that these new bike share programs are make their bikes a little more long. Lived you know. Vandalism is always going to be a problem and maintenance. It's always gonna be problem. But i think one of the nice things about having a bike share Bike is that like even if it's a little bit damaged like if you know. The the wheels are a little bit out of alignment or if the brakes are a little squeaky. And maybe a little soft you can still write it and you can still get where you need to go in like relative safety And with you know minimal hassle so it's like scooters are kind of a different kind of a different thing because they're a little bit harder to ride if they're a little bit janke but bikes are pretty forgiving. I think Also with regards to the the problem that lift had with its e bikes I don't i. I want to be careful about like framing that as as like a real a real problem because for some people it actually was a real problem but by and large what was happening is that people were riding the bikes as fast as they can go and then grabbing a fistful of break while leaning forward and then going over the handlebars. Because that's what happens when you ride a bike at twenty miles an hour and then slam on the brakes as hard as you can. You will go over the handlebars so like i. I want to be careful to say like. Oh it's just user error because it's not just user error but for a lot of people that was the problem they were having on those on those lift bikes lift handled it very well by not like blaming its users but by saying okay. This is a problem. We'll address and one thing to note. Is that with the new one. They added connectivities. There's wifi and now they're able to sort of Issue from where upgrades to the bike. Whenever there's they find any issues or they need to update the motor or anything like that And also they have these new safety sensors throughout the entire bike so it can detect things like dead batteries. Faulty brakes all sorts of things. And you can even see if someone has tampered with the bike and even help them track it more accurately. When it's you know hopefully not in hudson river or something but the idea is that like there's just more ways and availability for them to monitor these bikes more closely on a pretty regular basis so And i think generally the traditional bikes are always being serviced unchecked. Every day maybe every week or something like that already. So i don't know if it's that. These e bikes require more maintenance I think it's just sort of the part of the regular workflow and yet probably they would probably need more Servicing i'd say but At least these new safety sensors on this. This new you bike. Conly stem allows them to have a more accurate allowances of what's wrong and we do know that they're getting more use right. Yes so they was. E a twenty nineteen a report from the north american bike share association and they said that Fifteen percent of bike shirt bikes work e bikes and in general. They're getting more use out of them and of course The twenty twenty report is supposedly coming this summer and The person i spoke to. They're just basically said that it's overall across the board and one other metric. That citi bike had mentioned. Was that in may of this year. They said that they had one. Million e bike rides in a single month for the first time ever and it was actually more bike. Rides that month than regular analog bikes so in general. I think everyone is sort of veering towards that option. Because if i'm going from one part of brooklyn to the other the g. train is necessarily everywhere and an uber is also super expensive. So being able to hop on a pedal assist you bike and take it for three to five dollars and not end up as a sweaty mess at the end of it is definitely very very nice. That is like the ideal use case. For e-bikes i think is like a compliment till like a robust public transportation system. They call it. The last mile problem make between like the bus station. Your house your destination. Yeah you're totally right. Adrian provided of course that there is the infrastructure at the last mile rather is a nice e bike dock waiting for you infrastructure infrastructure. All right. we're gonna take a quick break and then when we come back we're going to talk about the ups and downs of owning your own. E bike five years ago felix gray realized. Our eyes weren't meant to look at screens all day and design glasses to make daily screen time more comfortable and the workday more productive. 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That's f. e. l. i. x. g. r. a. y. glasses dot com slash wired so while companies like lift are trying to put sleek and easy to use e bikes in every city corner. There's also an exploding market for personal e bikes and they come with a variety of features which can start to get a little bit confusing if you're new to the bike world like myself which all begs the question if sharable e bikes are actually becoming more available to you need to buy your own. If you to buy your own. What should you look for so adrian. You've tested i think Approximately ten million e bikes according to our wired archives. What should people know about shopping for an e bike. Like old bike. Cholorine here but the one thing that the unpopular opinion that i have is that you should probably be comfortable writing irregular pedal bike for you. Make the leap on. They do. They come in a ton of different shapes and sizes. So if you have issues with writing like a regular pedal by without a motor on it Big again come in. Different shapes. cargo bikes can be a lot. Heavier like you should have like a base level of convert with writing a pedal bike which is a little bit unfortunate given that the goal is to start pulling more people out of their cars. I know that there are a couple of companies. That are aiming aiming at making bikes. That are more comfortable for people who had never. I'm even but those bikes tend to be a little heavier. As you mentioned that in itself can be a little bit difficult to maneuver around I am a big fan of owning your e bike. I live in an extremely bike friendly city. But i don't live within easy access by garissa owning your own. E bike has been pretty critical to me. And i think that the joy of owning your own electric bike is being able to customize it to your own needs like if you have two kids and you're wondering at a city street you know. I can't like park my six year. Old on the handlebars of old thebike. Sharon just careen off could get arrested but like the whole baby but a six year old is probably asking too much of that front basket. He here's my thought. Like people are not dumb. They know that riding a bike is better for climate change. They know it's better for your health. But they're not. You're not gonna do it unless it's just as convenient and find an easy as getting into a car and that's what the whole bite of buying your own. Ebay is for me. Because i recently bought very first one after so many years of testing it. I finally caved. I've bought my own turn. Gst s s zero zero. And i have like the the the bike frame for my kids. And the the soft. See and the basket for my groceries in the panthers and the child's My it really is one thousand percent justice easy to we'll an e bike out of my garage and just go on a quick errand to the grocery store. Take my kid to another kid house for kovin safe play date as it is for driving. My main example of this is that you can go to burger veld and you can pre order your food than rather than going through the drive through so all. The cars are waiting in line around the block. And i roll up in my bright yellow eve by roll into the parking space. Have dropped the food in my basket and roll out and people have jumped out of their cars to take pictures of me. It coming in and out because it's just so much easier and faster than ryan driving a car so that is like a solid eight out of ten on the smugness scale. So i applaud. You know i apologize. It's my job. It sounds like no that you're a good candidate for buying your own e bike if you're already comfortable on a regular non mechanical bike you maybe have given some e-bikes a spin you like using them. You are willing to spend a little bit to customize it or make it work for us that it's as easy to use his just hopping in your car running some errands. And i guess. I guess coming back to that point about you're willing to spend a customize it you have a little bit of disposable income right that you can on an e bike so talk about how much people should probably expect to spend. Give us a range for a decent. You bike we viewed some that are around. I think the cheapest we've done is about eight hundred dollars so it is. It is quite a bit of money. What i would actually really like to see is for financing options for e bikes to become as widely spread as as they are for cars. You know because it buying a five thousand dollar. E bike shouldn't be as ridiculous proposition as are plenty of people who could do right now. Who say that. They can't afford a five dollar ebay court. Totally fine with financing a like eight thousand or twenty thousand dollar car. But that's because there's more as you mentioned there's more infrastructure there's more options available for you to buy one versus the other so Out of e. bike retailers also generally provide financing options as well. There are credit. They're credit unions especially in portland that offers special eve bike. Who portland surprise. They are credit unions. That will that have e bike loans that are similar in structure to a car loans. That's also something to investigate. If the idea of spending between three to five thousand dollars on an e bike is just seems completely insane to you amid. I know. It's really tempting to just find the cheapest e bike out there but i have like come this close to setting myself on. Fire a couple times with cheaper with cheaper motors and cheaper consoles especially with. Dt c. bikes. That might not always arrive at your doorstep in pristine condition. If you are going to make the commitment. I would suggest going with a higher end. Motor always pronounce his name. The boesch motor is the top of the line when it feels just as powerful and natural as a as a car. If you wouldn't driving your like volkswagen up having Like having the accelerator trigger. Improperly wouldn't tolerate that a car. There's no reason why you should why you should tolerate that in an e bike using as your primary vehicle and both reportedly tests their drive train systems to automotive standards. Which is really reassuring. Especially if you're driving with kids like skimp on things like you don't need like fancy fenders or iraq or even like you can get away with plastic pedals but breaks and motor. I think are the two things that you should really be prioritizing when you're looking for an e bike a lot of e by companies tout the range of their bike when they're selling it so let's say our bike is a fifty mile ranger one hundred fifty mile range. How much should people worry about range on the battery. Yes jillian mentioned before. I think it's all dependent on where you're actually writing to recovery in how much weight you're is going to be on your bike to There are a couple of there are a couple of options so some e bikes will give you. A specialized has battery range. Extenders that you can add onto your bike. If you're finding that like a twenty mile range is just not sitting your needs. I know people also keep. They're using their bike is their commuter vehicle. They'll also keep an extra charger and an extra battery at work for any post work excursions. Yeah this has been a great overview of some of the mechanics of you bikes. Can we also talk about etiquette. Like what are the do's and dotes in the bike lean Our mountain bikers going to give you a dirty. Look if you take one on the trail. Which should you know about where you can write e bikes. This is really the worst part. But e bikes lauren. I'm so sorry. Like i could talk about this forever. Here's the thing like an e bike doesn't have to look like an acoustic bike. It can look like literally anything. You like duck wings and a clown hat promoter. On as long as it has two wheels and vestigial pedals it's it's classified as e. by consumer product association or whatever. That body is It's all it needs is two pedals in an e bike. So if you are if you've bought something like a juice scrambler. It looked like a motorcycle but it has to vestigial pedals on it. The reaction that you're going to get writing that on a gravel trail is one hundred percent different than the reaction. I've gotten from people riding gravel e-bikes that look like you know acoustic bikes like i have had. I had hikers literally stand in my path and the glare at me like i had people. I've had people yell at me. Legally you're not supposed to ride any bike within city limits that has You can go above twenty miles per hour some cities Throttles early goal. Because that can boost your speed artificially above twenty miles per hour. That's that's when you can just make the bike go without pedaling. Yeah that's like a button on the handlebar that it means really helpful if you're writing a cargo bike and you need to get across a road quickly like that's actually. The reason i wanted. An e bike was because it was biking my two kids around portland and my husband was one hundred percent convinced that we would all get crushed by an eighteen wheeler because just so slow but yet the best thing to do would be to look up your local regulations by a bike that looks like a bike and stand of bike lane and yourself as friendly as possible because it. Yeah we're all just figuring this hour basically this is also noon so it sounds like using your e bike to get takeout or maybe even possibly going through the drive through of would be better than taking it on a mountain bike trail. There are mountain bikers who it's completely changing this mountain biking too because you can. If you have a battery you can just access to rain. That nobody else has been able to ride. And i- i mean they don't like it now but they will adrian. I've learned so much. I'm really tempted to try one now. There's actually a any bike shop. That's not far from where. I live in silicon valley that's been offering rides to people to get people interested happens to be like right next to an amazon office too. I forgot the name of the place. But i drive by it all the time. Maybe next time we'll have to ride by it. Check out some e bikes lauren. Battle bike sounds good. I'll i'll ride it to portland and come see hang out. Let's let's take a break and come back with our recommendations as this ever happened to you. You need to see a doctor. You search and find one. That looks good. You wait on. Hold the book an appointment. You rearrange your schedule and when you finally go in you find out. This doctor doesn't even take your insurance. Well there's a solution. Just download the free doc. Doc app the easiest way to find a great doctor instantly book. An appointment with doc doc. You can search for local doctors who take your insurance. Read verified patient reviews and book an appointment in person or video chat. Never wait on. Hold with the receptionist again whether you need a primary care physician. Dentist dermatologist. Psychiatrist dr or any other specialists zauq has you covered. Go to doc dot com slash wired and download the tzakda cap to sign up for free every month. Millions of people use doc. Doc zonked doc makes healthcare easy. Now is the time to prioritize your health. Go to doc. Doc dot com slash wired and download the doc doc app to sign up for free and book a top rated. Dr many are available as soon as today. That's zeo see. Do c. dot com slash wired adrian aside from writing e bikes. What is your recommendation. This week my recommendation. The are the ultimate era. Fits the are customizable ear buds which i picked up on the recommendation of our audio your parker hall as really skeptical about these because i have one normal ear hole and one that is just like impossible to fit like. It's so hard to test so many things that have to spend thirty minutes Figuring out like exact bud weighing combination. That i can actually go running. These and bees are completely surreal. Mickey can't i can't video record this. But they've got the psych squishy tip and you start the app you put in your ear and heats up and so you have it in your ear and your ear hole is law and it just like customizes to your your whole business. The exact shape of my ear hole. And if it's perfectly it's insane rick. I've never had a pair of buds. That fits this. How many times can hit the word. Your whole. I'm sorry this podcast with the pg thirteen radi. It's just everybody's got them learn. Everybody has ear hole. So yeah that's editions. They got pretty pretty great noise cancellation too because it just hit so oh yeah right like noise noise isolation yeah oh noise isolation not since technically the same not the same thing but practically the same thing i love how adrian like we're a tech podcast and she she's like oh it's squishy it's warm it's in your ear hole and this is like oh by the way active noise isolation that's the tech nature but the best part is how squishy and more here. It's an app so it's technology all right. Thank you for that delightful delightful recommendation. Julian try to top that. I don't think but my room nation is more a lot more muted. I have a problem of buying too many things and then never having enough time to actually play them or read them or anything like that. One of the common things video games. I tend to scoop them up on. There's these big sales and then a year later. And i'm like oh i haven't played that game at all and so i'm finally going back through my catalog of switch games recently and so my recommendation is to take a look at your game library. And maybe don't spend fifty dollars on some game on the steam summer sale or something and just just play at your old games Currently playing super mario odyssey. And it's fun. I did not realize how much fun it is. And so that is the things that you like miss if you just keep buying games and don't don't play them. How often do you finish games. That's that's it's it's a satisfying feeling. I just finished Luigi mansion three recently and it was this feeling of just like i feel like i. Just don't finish games often. And so when i finally did i was like i feel very accomplished which it's a little sad. Maybe it was great. It's great so maybe that's a two parter start playing those old games and try and finish them. That sounds like a delightful post quarantine but not quite post pandemic hobby like in the sense that were sort of emerging. Now we're supposed to socialize and get out there and do more things but every so you still kind of want to go back in the bunker and do something like quiet and like finishing old video games. Sounds like the just the perfect way to do that. And the big fan of the bunker just going to hang out here for a little while longer. No i can handle the real world yet. I was gonna say i think that's just me generally mike. What's your recommendation. Excuse me bike. What's your recommendation. Oh please so. I actually do have an on topic recommendation. This week is a book. It is called the ultimate bicycle. Owner's manual in. Its written by evan weiss who you may also know as bike snob. New york city aka the bikes snob. He has written a bunch of books about his cycling adventures. He also has a column in bicycling magazine. That runs regularly that you should all read but this book is basically like a basic owner's manual for a bike and it works for acoustic bikes and for electric bikes. It gives you tips on like maintaining the brakes How to set the saddle height properly how to change a tire. It also has tips on how to ride in a city You know things like how to share the road with cars etiquette and the bike lane. That we just talked about. It's it's a really nice book to get somebody who is new to cycling or somebody who is new to maintaining their bike. A lot of people have a bike. And they're like. I don't know what to do with it because the tires flatten. I don't know. I don't wanna go spend money. Just get them this book. They'll be able to figure out how to do all that stuff themselves. There is a long history of great cycling resources on the internet They're really good. There's also a good bike called Zinn in the art of bicycle maintenance by howard zinn. This book is a nice addition to the library of any cyclists. So that's my recommendation. The ultimate bicycle owner's manual by weiss and done. I am definitely gonna check this out. Might yes click on those affiliate links not spawn con. it's an actual wreck so lauren. What is your recommendation my recommendation. This week is a podcast very meta recommending. A podcast on a podcast. I recommend checking out podcasts. By the cut which is produced by new york magazine. A few specific episodes. I've listened to recently. There's one titled we are all burnt out from back. In april still applies. They also do. The series called in her shoes interview. Prominent women and there was a great episode with lindsay people's wagner who used to be the editor in chief of vogue magazine which like wired as he conde nast publication that one also aired in april More recently at listened to an episode called the other side of optimism which featured a really interesting palestinian peace activists and. They're just a lot more on the cover. A wide range of topics finance sex kids careers. e-bikes politics. I'm not sure they've covered. E-bikes i've listened to a lot of their podcasts. And i don't think i've heard that one yet but I volunteer adrian to go on the cut and talk about it Yeah and i just. I just think they do a really great job with the podcast. Actually changing hosts right now or are they just started. A new host just started but Everyone on the team disagreed job. There and i should just add as part of a disclosure that i happen to be shareholder in vox media which owns new york magazine now which produces the cut. This is the spun khan and yes. This is like multi-layered spun khan and i am a tiny tiny shareholder. So don't think i'm going to get any real benefit from promoting this podcast. Except i think you will have the benefit of listening to it so i think that you should check it out boost lawrence network. People i was going to say is this. The cut was hosted by avery koppelman. Before wasn't that or are they switching hosts that is correct. Avery is now going to be working on a new project and The cut is going to have a new host. So i recommend checking it out. Cool all right. That's our show for this week. Thank you so much to adrian and julian for joining us. Thanks guys thank you and thanks to all of you for listening. If you have feedback you can find all of us on twitter. He we're all still on the twitter and our dm's are open. Just check the show notes. We'll put our twitter handles there for you. And the show is produced as always by the excellent boone. 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Bezos in Space

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Bezos in Space

"Life is full of things to manage your work. Your family your plans and your treatment consider key symptom ofa tomb amount twenty milligram injection. You can take it yourself from the comfort of home if you're ready for something different. Ask your healthcare provider about key. Santa and check out the details at key symptom dot com brought to you by novartis pharmaceuticals corporation lauren. Mike lauren. How much would you pay to go into space. I would pay one hundred nineteen dollars per year. that's it. I pay the exact amount that amazon prime costs. Because according to jeff bezos my purchases helped send him to space and so he can subsidize my trip to space I don't think that's gonna fly. Pardon the pun. Hi everyone welcome gadget lab. I'm michael calorie senior editor here wired and i'm laurin good. I'm a senior writer at wired. And we're also joined by wired editor at large steven levy. Hello steven welcome back to the show. How michael and lauren and a always delighted to be on the show. And we're delighted to have you of course because today we are talking about space and jeff bezos as you probably heard the former amazon. Ceo and richest person in the world flew into space this week. His blue origin rocket carried him and his three best. He's out of the atmosphere where they floated around for a few minutes before safely landing back on earth. The event wasn't just about bezos also aboard the rocket were the oldest and youngest people ever to go into space eighty two year old former pilot wally funk and an eighteen year old pain customer who seat on the rocket cost many many millions of dollars the blue origin flight this week and the virgin galactic flight last week were significant steps for the commercial space industry and stephen. You've been following bases astronautical ambitions for years and you are in texas this week to see the blue origin launch therefore delightful stories about the event written by you on wired right now that people can read. So let's start with the big question. Why does jeff bezos want to go into space so badly. What's in it for him and part of me. I think you mean jeff. Space house well as interesting. There's actually two answers to that question. One is actually two parts of the question of employed one is why is he spending money. Space company and the second has wide as he want to go to space The company is because he's got this grand vision that human beings are by lord's going to live in space colonies not on planet earth. And this is something that he became a number of by reading the works of a gerald. O'neil who is a futurist through postulated. This and jeff is a high school. Student gave his valedictory speech graduation about this and has been passionate about this pursuing it ever since so. That's the grand goal and everything. The blue origin does is going to step by step ferociously which is its motto Move that plan closer into being now. Why he wants to go into space is because he's like a space nerdy once the adventure of it and he built his own company to take him into space and He actually skipped a couple steps in the step by step process by moving up his chance to go to space They never tested human flight before this. They did fifteen flights without humans and he wanted to be on board the very first one and take his best is brother with him along with the oldest and youngest people so it was kind of a spectacle which broke character for blue origin. Which have been trying to do things. Very very deliberately before that Let's quickly talk about the four passengers on the flight. I think we have to start with wally funk. Yes she she's unbelievable Eighty two years old and she was part of the mercury thirteen which in nineteen sixty. Someone got funding to train a group of thirteen women in the same way that the astronauts of the mercury seven. Who would go into space. They were officially nassir astronauts. They would be tested and trained and wally Her name is mary wallace spunk. Everyone calls her wally Did the test so well. She the standards of almost all the mercury seven astronauts but nasa Denied mercury thirteen. They actually had a congressional hearing and scott carpenter and john land. The astronauts testified that this isn't the place for women space. You really can't have women there. Places to support astronauts not the be astronauts and not a rejected the whole idea of women in space for many years and by the time they did accept women they had all these requirements that wall. We didn't qualify for like an engineering degree. Were military experience so even though she was a trained pilot and trained other pilots and Passed all the tests. She never got the fly in space she became with it and she signed up in two thousand ten for richard branson's program which for two hundred thousand dollars could give her a seat in the virgin galactic spaceship Jeff bezos in a very canny. Move newell this and plucked her out of the waiting list for richard branson and put her to the top of the list for blue origin and eighty two year old. Wally was on board raring to go. She's unbelievable she's a real sparkplug and her only complaint. Was you know well. There's not enough room. I couldn't see the whole earth and get me back up there again. You might say that. She got the the prime delivery treatment right expedited shipping very careful not to make amazon puns. Very good and stephen. Did you have the opportunity to talk to wally. When you were in van horn they were very salvi The only gave interviews to broadcast folks and while we herself. They're a little nervous about her. Because she's a predictable. So early interviews were in a group of four where exposure will be limited. Well i am super happy for mary. Wallace funk aka wally Let's talk about the other folks who were in the rocket with jeff bezos. There was also oliver damon. Who's the youngest person to ever go into space and then mark bezos jeff businesses brother. How did they end up on the shortlist. Well mark basis. I think i had a family connection. Yeah jeff describes him as my best friend. I know mark a little. You know we hang out at ted super nice guy and jump. As was his brother so that was his ticket on. There was an interesting little controversy Particularly the veterans space reports are pretty upset about everyone thought that mark basis fifty three years old That's what i reported in my story But someone had some document that said he might not be fifty three might be fifty or something. Blue origin wouldn't confirm his age. So the space reporters who you know their whole life getting every detail right you know. They think the scribes of history so they were pretty upset. The blue origin wouldn't confirm that. I actually asked blue origin. And they said well you have to go to the public documents so i don't know whether they meant. We ought to dig up his birth certificate. Or what what will that was about. But mark Was called by jeff as the funniest person in space because he made a couple of jokes or something and and jeff. I guess knows them as the family. Wit and the veteran space reporter is again contested that and they cited a couple astronauts. They knew were funny. There's actually a podcast called too funny. Astronauts was approved. so they they. They didn't think the bar was funny. We told the funny story about going down in five gs which is the time that they made it sound check. They asked him if he was all right and he could hardly get the words out because he was at his maximum geez at that moment in the flow year. Okay so we have the marginally funny mark basis. Who's plenty guy but not the funniest person space. Okay and tell us about oliver all over eighteen years old. He's in his gap year between school. And the university of you trek. I'm sure that he will have a pretty good subject. Well you didn't do this to your gap year. Mike and a great subject right in freshman composition about what i did during my summer vacation and though i actually felt that in terms of inspiration you think eighteen year old. This is great. It did not cross the karman line of inspiration because his dad who started a hedge fund bought the seat in the auction or was one of the high under bidders in the auction and this is weird the high bidder in the auction spent twenty million dollars and then bowed out because of scheduling conflicts. So most of us would check the schedule. Check the calendar before we bid twenty eight million dollars the go. You know for a seat somewhere right. I think there's backstory there. We haven't heard so they went to the list of the bidders who spent millions of dollars but less than twenty eight and pick oliver probably because the book in wally so we have the youngest and the oldest and he seemed like a nice young guy and he was obviously thrilled to be on space. He said it's been his lifelong ambition. His life was nowhere near as long as well. He funk's yes since the early two thousands so stephen There was some dispute about whether or not these four quote unquote astronauts actually went into space. This week Could you tell us about that. Yeah there's a big controversy about whether sub orbital flight even qualified people to say. I've been into space and there's sort of a dispute about how you can even say i've been space with a height you have to attain is the faa says that It's fifty miles fifty fifty miles and you you qualify as being space and that's how high the version galactic spaceship went Now the blue origin takes you up. Just pass what's called the karman line which was a hundred kilometers. Sixty two miles. And they say that the virgin So-called astronauts They are really in space their space with an asterisk because they don't cross the karman line I think it was kind of funny because And of course looking up stuff about all this. Alan shepherd who went to space sixty years ago on the first american spaceflight sub flight. He went one hundred sixteen miles right. So neither of these folks attained what was done sixty years ago so i find it odd that they're arguing about it Stephen i'm getting. We're getting the note from our producer that we're getting close to ten minutes for this segment but that actually brings me to my next question. Which is the long enough to go into space. We can be there and back already. Wh why was this flay. Only ten minutes told us about like. Is that the standard amount of time for these kinds of flights. Well it's a sub orbital flight right so there's two kinds of spaceflights generally There's the orbital flight we just kind of like one of those Air rockets the you pump a lot of water into and then let go. It's like a big version of that. It goes up and it goes down and you're up on the space for four minutes like older. The qube of space travel is and. It's it's great. If you're like a rich person you don't want to take too much time off. You go straight up straight down and it's actually much much easier to do that. Suborbital jaunt then in orbit because you need Go four times as fast to break the earth's atmosphere and get up there on a course go into orbit which means you need sixteen times more energy because there's some equation in math. Jeff bezos can explain it to you so It's a much bigger investment in a much bigger rocket to get up there And blue origin starting with little suborbital flights. All right well we're going to take a break and then when we come back we'll talk a little bit more about the billionaire space race with an emphasis on the billionaire. Part capital be modern leaders. It's not just their ability to reason we value or their eloquence. What truly matters is their humanity just like modern leaders. The ls is human. At heart with intuitively designed functions. Everything is within reach. Thanks to a new twelve point three inch touchscreen anticipatory available climate concierge. Since your temperature adjusts to keep you comfortable and with up to seven available shiatsu massage settings. You'll arrive at your destination refreshed. Every feature of the ls was an pathetically crafted around you engineered to a higher standard the human standard the new twenty one lexus ls experience amazing at your lexus dealer. We've talked a lot about jeff bezos so far in the show. But he's not the only billionaire trying to jump start his own private space tourism company. A couple of weeks ago. Virgin ceo. Richard branson beat bezos into space aboard his own virgin galactic rocket and space x elon. Musk's astro endeavour has been sending flights to the international space station for years though. Musk himself hasn't climbed aboard a rocket yet. Were you afraid of ilan now stephen. Where does blue origin sit in context the other commercial spaceflight companies like spacex virgin galactic and the others while the immediate competition for space tourists is between blue origin and virgin galactic. So both of them now are competing to get very rich people to put up a lot of money to go into space and people question. How big a market. That is There's a limited number of super rich people and probably even more limited number of people who want to spend a lot of money to go up into space for a couple of minutes And there's some risk of that in a branson started his company by licensing. The technology that was developed by another billionaire paul allen along with a an aircraft designer. Burt rutan legendary designer. And alan got out of the space to our business because he fell that sooner or later. Someone's going to die and he didn't wanna be owning the company when that happened so he sold his assets the branson Who figured well I could make it so maybe people won't die though we'll see if that happens I hope he's right And branson jumped at the chance to go into space. Even sooner that he planned the minute that he heard basis was planning to go up on july twentieth which is the anniversary of the apollo moon landing so I think Basis might not have been happy about that Everyone's saying congratulations to each other. But they are competitors in the long run though. Blue origin really compete with spacex Blue origin has already building. Future generations of rockets. There's one called new glenn to go into orbit there's another rocket new armstrong which is going to propel people to the moon and beyond to infinity and beyond maybe So the real competition. I think is between bezos and musk and musk i think is maybe we'll wait till he he goes to mars. Which is his dream. Stephen why should we really care about all these rich. Men and their rockets in their private space endeavors Th- the trip that we saw this week that you saw from van horn texas didn't really break. New ground did symbolically and having wally and oliver on board but just in terms of the distance traveled in the actual trip itself. So why should the public care over one thing. These private space companies are really the pillars now of the whole space endeavor One thing which blew origin and spacex do that. No government space program has done is make this reliable set of rockets not only take off to the come back to earth and can land safely and reusable rockets are the future of space travel. They're much cheaper. They're gonna make for a routine space travel Which is going to be the launch if you will of new kinds of things in space new kinds of satellites and maybe manufacturing in space and other things like that. So i think that's significant. It's it's a moment where beside space tourism We're going to see More routine flights and practice to take us to the next level so to speak in space. But i mean in some ways jeff. Visas is really creating this image here of himself as the ultimate villain either that or having some kind of like mega midlife crisis between putting giant balls in downtown seattle and flying a rocket into space the cowboy hat. We can't forget about the cowboy hat. I mean amazon. The company that he founded and for a long time ran until recently is a capitalism machine. Right and everything that it does between running distribution centers and all the shipping that it does in the way that it's actually created you know this new category of ultra fast shipping to consumers has created an enormous carbon footprint. And so a lot of people have interpreted this this flight as as a stunt effectively and said well sure that's nice. That's nice that you can just you have the money and the power to just leave earth or explore a life beyond earth. But what have you. What have you done to the earth here like. What have you done to the environment here. And ensure bezos has made a commitment. And in fact i think on the heels of the flight. He made a commitment to invest even more money into environmental causes. But is that. Is that enough as interesting. You say you say. What are they done to the earth. I think of jim morrison in when the music's over who said those exact words the year we landed on the moon so kudos to lauren. I think that this summer the whole narrative space Has been kind of a tone deaf move by branson and basis and particularly with betas. Who as i said before. He has these longer term visions and he wants to build the space industry but Maybe goaded by branson It's all about this idea of. We should be inspired because a billionaire went to space and heard the billionaire. Talk about how awesome it was and how amazing it was and how it changed him And he looked down on earth and realized how fragile it was. I think we're big trouble if we have to go into outer-space to realize how fragile the earth is so. I really didn't embrace that point so you did. And even bazo admitted that people are right when they say why these billionaires going into space it's tone deaf and he said. Yeah you're right. I'm going anyway i could go on. Let's just say jeff basis already has one more in his life. Who cares a great deal about these endeavors. He certainly doesn't need another and he gave her a little gift. You know there's this weird moment the press conference where you know. They were announcing all this stuff. They took up into space. I think this is bizarre. I don't know why things are more valuable because they've been space. One thing they brought up was a piece of canvas from the wright brothers flight they got the wing of the wright brothers flight and they took it up the space and then brought it down as supposed to be more valuable and saying that seems weird to be. It's pretty valuable on its own and out of your own little mark to it was seemed to be making it less valuable. It's like getting the current pope to autograph gutenberg bible right so and so then he said i brought this up and lauren pointing to his girlfriend. I want you to come up. And i want jockey my mom to come up with her and i thought for minute he was going to propose to her right there in the press conference but no. He gave her a nice little necklace with the blue origin. Logo on it that he brought up space You know hey. Thanks jeff something that we should talk about. That happened during that post flight. Press conference is. They earned their wings. Didn't they yeah. They so the designation of astronaut commercial astronaut has been until The day of this flight If you went more than fifty miles up into space the faa we consider you a commercial astronaut. You be an official astronaut and you would earn your wings so they had a very elaborate ceremony. The first thing that happened is being prepared. This custom pin with A on and a little thing signifying the road to space and the floors and logo and blue sapphire to indicate you were still inhabited earth right in case you forgot four minutes. You kind of changed allegiance different passport. And they pin them on each of the astronauts who had these jumpsuits look like they were about to watch a window and there were tears you know given so significant but almost the moment that they were giving the pins the faa issued. An order saying. Wait a minute wait a minute. We can't have. This is like saying if you're on a cruise ship as a passenger like you're like a sailor right. I mean so. Everyone who goes into space can't be called an astronaut. You're only in astronaut in the commercial. Sense if you're flying the space ship or you're involved in some sort of capacity to advance the bishen and you've trained a whole lot. Not the fourteen hours. They give a blue origin passenger so when they were pinning the wings on their literally. The ink wasn't dry on this order. Which said this is you know. Bs you know this is like the wings you pin on someone. You can give a little kid on on the united flight to say. Hey you got a captain of the flight. Officially guess blue origin about that and they said well officially their astronauts as far as we're earned serious shade from the faa even before we take another break if you could name one other thing that jeff bezos could be doing with his billions is current network is over two hundred billion dollars to help save humanity or move forward. What would it be if it wasn't space travel so loaded question just curious. Sierra transfer might obviously there's there's like a hundred billion things he could do right. I mean this world is hurting. But when i asked him about this game three years ago and i should say three years ago I did this huge feature about jeff. I spent hours with him. He gave me a tour of the base of tour. The factory We went up to the mountain and looked at the ten thousand year clock. I went through his ranch. And i asked them that very thing. And he said look what way i can impact. The world is to do maybe with someone else's doing and no one with my resources can do this thing that i consider the most important thing for humanity which is to save civilization by helping us do the infrastructure that one day. We're going to have a chilean humans. Living in these space colonies and earth could be almost like a nature preserve People would come down visit it. Could i wrote one of my stories this week. Then if he gets his way instead of people saving their money for tickets to go to space. These people space colonies saving their money to visit. This magical place called earth had already is pretty magical but we need to treat a better well. I mean if it's getting when it's on fire and you could say well. Jeff has to devote his money to climate change. Doing the ten billion dollars climate change which is not nothing. but it's it's not like All the whole ball of wax. It's not like his ex wife who's furiously giving her money away but I have to say in his mind. He's doing the most econ for humanity he says is the most important thing you'll ever do. Well if you were going to invoke Jim morrison earlier than i feel. Compelled to invoke Another poet by the name of gil. Scott heron. i can't pay my doctor bill but white on the moon ten years from now i'll pay. It's still the white house on the moon. I can't argue with that. What he whitey was on a percent of the crew of new shepherd right all right. Well let's take a quick break and when we come back we'll do our recommendations. This episode is brought to you by hp instant inc. No one is reading your mind. But hp instant inc knows when your printer is running low and sends you new cartridges. So you never have to think about amc. Save up to fifty percents. You'll pay less than five dollars a month for ink and never run out again. Find out if your printer is eligible and enroll today at hp instant inc dot com conditions apply for details visit hp dot com slash. Instant inc. spotify all. Right welcome back. This is the part of the show. We all make recommendations for things that our listeners might enjoy. Stephen you our guest go first. What's your recommendation on keeping with the theme. I want to recommend a book called wally. Funk's race for space nice written by A bbc journalists named soon nelson and she followed around while he funk for a few years. And you really get a sense of how being denied a place in as an astronaut in the early nineteen sixties. Put a hole in this woman's life and all her life she wanted to get up there which is why it was so great to see her finally breaking the karman line or whatever and you know being weightless and you know you go up there and it's kind of like a bounce house you know. They're all floating around and they threw skittles at each other and trying to catch it in their mouths and you know she her. Her was complaining. a little. There wasn't enough room to have dual the somersaults she wanted to do and so she wants to go up again but it was fantastic to see her finally accomplish her lifelong dream. And it's been a hell of a life for her awesome. That's awesome lauren. What's your recommendation. My recommendation is show on. Hbo max called hacks That's not ha like hbo. Max that's h. A. c. k. s. It premiered in may so all ten episodes are already available. And yes i've been watch it. It's about a legendary stand up. Comedian named deborah vance. She has just learned that her longstanding vegas show is being cut back and likely coming to an end and then her manager ends up connecting her with a much younger sarcastic writer from l. a. Who has had a hard time getting work. Because she's she made an offensive joke on twitter and she's been cancelled by her colleagues and so she doesn't really want to work with deborah van. She considers her kind of washed up. Deborah doesn't wanna work with her but they end up insulting each other so much. They developed this strange respect for each other. And so they decide to work together and Hilarity ensues and it's honestly it's laugh out loud funny I recommend you check it out and if anyone needs. Hbo log and let me know because hbo. Max is expensive. And i give it out. I give it out very freely people. So yes lauren. I want a second recommendation It's been a hell of year gene. Smart who is the lead in hawks. she also was in mayor of east town. Delco you know Outside of philadelphia And her performance is unbelievable. Yeah she's chef's kiss very good mike. What's your recommendation. I'm going to recommend gadget in. It's not a new gadget. it's kind of an old gadget. it's been around for about four years. i'm holding it in my hand. It is called the mighty vibe. It's it's a an audio player. It's about the size of an ipod. Shuffle looks like an eye pie square. Shuffle it's an ipod shuffle for spotify. Basically you pair it with an app on your phone and you sync it to your spotify account and then you download your spotify playlists onto this thing and then you clip it to your shirt and then you either use bluetooth headphones or old school plug in headphones and you can listen to your music wherever you go. So you know. It's like an ipod shuffle. But it's basically thanks to spotify It's something that i've wanted for really long time. It came out. And i never got one. There was one kicking around here the office and now that we're back in the office a couple of days a week I found it. And i was like oh i should try this out. it's especially cool if you are like a runner or if you do a lot of and stuff and you like to do that to get away from the internet and like go off grid because it's an offline device like it doesn't connect to spotify unless you're in your home with your phone parents of the device in your on wifi and then it sinks all the music and then you can take offline so when i go on runs. I clipped this to my my running shorts. And then i have music. And i don't need to bring my phone with me when i go out so It's one hundred ten dollars which is a lot and also. I should warn you that it is buggy so it takes a little bit of time to get it to work properly in may. Not connect to both headphones. You may have to try a couple of different pairs of headphones to get it to work but once you get working it's just set it. Forget it and you can just clip it and press the button and go So that's my recommendation the mighty vibe. I'm looking at it right now. Can i see it super cute. If you end your spotify subscription this is still work. I think it does as long as you don't like if think if you just delete the app and then all of the music stays on the device and you never sink it again. It'll it'll just continue to play. All the files reminds me of it reminds me of. I don't know if you remember that pebbled. I think just shortly before it was acquired developed. Something called the core. This is new york city and it was built for runners. It was a gps accessory for runners. I think a little bit larger maybe but similar. Yeah so yeah. The ipod shuffle. Still around even though You know they're just different now. All right. that is our show for this week. Everybody should go read stevens. Dispatches from the blue origin launch in van horn texas You can find those on. Dot com steven. Thank you for coming back on the show. Oh i really loved. Thank you for listening. If you had feedback you can find all of us on twitter. Just check the show notes. This show is produced by boone ashworth. Goodbye we back next week. Every day can bring changes challenges and opportunities that can also change your personal or business goals and priorities as a true partner. Sandy spring bank can make it all a bit easier. Someone who really listens understands and then create solutions in hard times and good times. We'll always strive to be your advocate today. And every day that's real banking for real life and real business sandy spring bank dot com slash. Real member fdic.

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Cutting to the Core of Apple

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Cutting to the Core of Apple

"The best way to discover new quality apps and get all the tools you need to be successful and productive set up a subscription for mac and iphone apps head over to set up dot com to try free for a week. Lauren mike lauren. What happens when you're sitting at home in your phone rings. I hear about seven different. Instances of this sound well to apple world indeed. Hi everyone welcome to gadget lab. I am michael calorie Editor wired. And i'm laurin good. I'm a senior writer at wired. We're also joined this week by wired. Senior associate reviews editor adrian. So welcome back to the show. Adrian highs and reviews editor julian. Choke kaku jillian. Welcome back thank you for having me. You both have fancy new titles. Congratulations on those. We've asked the two of you on the show this week because it is apple week apple just held its annual worldwide developers conference. We call it w dc. Or if you wanna be like lauren and be extra cool you can just say dub dub as for ever described me as extra cool. I just i just did. i just did. That counts Per usual during the keynote address on monday the company announced a bunch of new software updates for all of its key products. This is the meteor announcement that promises to make your iphone feel fresh or your ipad to feel more like a computer all without having to buy new hardware though of course apple still wants you to buy new hardware in the fall when it comes out a lot of these software updates are designed to make your computing life easier if you're living in the apple universe but that also means is designed to get you pretty locked into apple's universe. We'll talk about apple's quest for gadget. Donald later in the show but first we have to cover the news julian. I'm going to start with you because you wrote a story about all the biggest software features coming to the iphone later this year What jumped out at you from dub dub the biggest wind is updates to face. Time apple's video calling up You know they're making it a little more like platforms like will meet in zoom and that where you can create links to share with other people to join and that even applies to people on android phones and even windows web browsers so basically. It's a little more platform agnostic. Anyone can join calls. And there's also features like the ability to isolate your noise an ambient surrounding like a coffee shop. People won't hear all of that. Sounds around you. they'll just hear your voice and of course other things like a portrait mode in facetime where it will blur out your surroundings. So they can't see your messy bedroom and of course the other big thing was the ability to share movies and music or even your own screen with other people when you're in a facetime call so for example. If you want to watch a new movie that came out. I guess zack snyder. Army of the dead. You wanna watch that with a friend you can totally do that by just sort of sharing and sinking in real time this this movie watching experience with anyone you're on a facetime call with and that also applies to music so if you want to listen to the rio album that just came out. You can totally do that again. In sync with apple music. And what's actually kind of nice. Is that there's this share play. Api so you're not necessarily just restricted to using something like apple tv or apple music. You don't have those services. Developers will be able to implement the functionality with their own apsos. i'm the existing platforms that will be available are disney plus hulu. Espn plus for example. So it's kind of a big update that sort of integrates this experience of video chatting with their friends and watching content or listening to content with them. But of course this is not particularly new. You can kind of do this stuff. Existing platforms like watch party for example and net flicks has its own type of systems. Well so it's really interesting that all this stuff is coming into facetime because like you know over the last year of course everybody's been spending a lot of time in zoom a lot of time in teams law the time in meat and i'm sure a lot of time in facetime so facetime is kind of like expanding out to become more like those other products that everybody has become so reliant on. Yeah and i think this kind of speaks to the limitation of the way apple handles updates. Everyone else can just issue an update immediately. And they'll get those features some of these features that you see at toledo. The dc are like things that you would have expected apple to roll out last year when we're all in a pandemic and these are all beneficial features. That again would have been really handy to have last year. So it's sort of that cadence updates where it's cyclical Annual cycle rather than being able to just issue a software update to an app being able downloaded immediately jillian. What's your sense. How many of these features will work on facetime from the web since people on an android smartphone or a windows. Pc can technically use facetime from the web this future update but like are they gonna get access to things like portrait mode or conversation booster even share play. I'm not entirely sure. I think that's still something that may need to be answered test the public data and stuff. But i know things like you're already restricted to specific browsers on windows. You have to use edge or chrome if you're on fire. Fox you're out of luck so there's definitely going to be limitations and i think that's a pretty regular theme with almost any apple service you use on. A non apple devices always limited in some functionality so before we move onto like watch and ipad and all the other stuff real quick tell us what else in the announcements jumped out of you if you want to sort of. Take a minute with focus. Which i swear to god. I had ideas for this like four years ago. I should have patented or something but basically focus. Is this new way of setting profiles in ios where you can customize your home screens to include specific people that you might want to talk to apps that you use for different times of day. Different different sort of profiles are mindsets that you're in. So there's a work profile there's a sleep profiled as a home and personal profile and you can actually customize up to ten of these and the idea is to work profile on your main home screen. You'll see work related apps you'll see context and widgets and everything related to work. You can allow notifications from work colleagues only specifically and not other people. So you don't get disturbed and there's gonna be a status. Api so third party developers like for different applications like slack. You can actually integrate this. So that slack will be able to figure out when you get your iphone to your home profile for example and they'll automatically alert the people that might be trying to message saying this person's set to home profile. They can still get through to you. And that's again something that's similar to what already exists in slack. But this is something that would be opened to all the different types of messaging applications. If you don't just use. I message so telegram and other messaging apps as well. This is the closest that apple is going to get to away messages on messages. Like it's not quite you know. Leave an ema song lyric or like leave. Something that says like hey guys i went to the cafeteria for dinner me there and twenty which is like maybe how we used aim in college. But it's close. It's like someone messes and they get like an auto response that says you're in some kind of mode indeed speaking of notifications adrian You are a an apple watch user and you love your apple watch so please tell us what you thought. It was some of the watch. Os enhancements well. it continuing the theme. That jillian was talking about with focus And this year in particular. I was like you know what would be really useful for the apple. Watch if it could tell me when. I'm about to have a panic attack but turns out that they cannot quite do that yet. But it was a big focus with watch. Os this year on a health and wellness stuff. We have a new mindfulness app which includes a cool new a breathe animation. So that you will actually look at it. Instead of just clicking dismiss panic and then the have they have a new reflections. Features will address different prompts to throughout the day like contemplate. You know something tried to remind you of something that you love something that will again distract you from near panic so we will see if these are just if these are actually going to be useful for i'm just going to and up clicking dismiss on those as well no i will not think of my children this is just bad and then the the the new workouts to are also very serenity now focused they have a new type chief metrics such. I know you are super stoked on mike. Yes even though. I don't have an apple. Watch but yeah i appreciate it. I appreciate it. You can just zoom me. And i'll just tell you what the apple watch is saying why he should to your taichi. Yeah and then. The other thing is that it's going to be integrated with your home stuff. Sylvia be able to control more things in your home environment and be able to use photos more efficiently on your watch to communicate with other people like it'll have featured memories and then you can just you know text voice send if something on your watch comes up. Oh this beautiful memory. I'm just going to send this to my best all texter with my voice. Edit it in line and then you know at the appropriate interval. I'll just send her be correct gift or whatever to respond comedic -ly as they say which is a special thing i like to do spine comedic louis. I also the the new watch face with like you can have a picture of your of your loved one on your watch face and the time and date kind of sits behind their head like the us you know some sort of algorithm to figure out where the outline of the person's head is and then sort of used that as a three d. image. Do you know what the thing is. That Emily one of our former editors she sent me the ipod touch and then wiped it for some reason. Her iphone photos. Still show up randomly. Sometime in my photos. Sometimes i get to be treated to a special memory of emo. Oh this is so moving. This is emily dreyfuss yeah does she. Does she know the uc her photos. I i should probably. I have a number. I should probably expect her. They have new. I wiped it said it for some reason. Like sometimes a photo of her lake for kid from three years ago will just pop up in my memories featured feature that then. Okay well we have to pause here for a break and when we come back we're going talk more about. ww dc. Said app is on a mission to help users get more done with setup. There's no more worrying about having to search for apps to solve for a problem because we tap you get high quality apps for every task. We've set up a single subscription. Lets you access. More than two hundred. Mac and iphone apps for a fixed monthly fee head over to set up dot com to try setup. Free for a week. Welcome back toward the end of the w. wdc keynote apple showed off a feature called universal control. And i want to start here. Because i think it's really important. It allows people to set an ipad next to a mac computer and use the ipad as a second screen. So you can move the cursor from the max green to the ipad screen and back and it sort of flows from one to the other Very fluidly and keyboard and track pad the using work across the devices automatically so it automatically senses which device you're trying to control and switches control from one to the other now like other features at apple introduced this week. It's a wave integrating multiple types of devices together and tie them together across the cloud. Of course to make the most of these features. You will need to pony up a bunch of apple products and pay for all the services that connect them together now. Lauren you wrote a story this week. About how apple's vision for total gadget and service domination is coming into stark focus. I'd like you to tell us about it. Okay how much time do you have seven hours. Okay so there are a couple of layers to this or a few layers and it's really all about apple controlling this full stack of are competing experiences right. There's this hardware layer the iphone. The apple watch apple. Tv microsoft refers to this edge computing. The edge devices. I think that's generally accepted. Industry term and apple in controlling the full stack is also controlling more and more of the component. Trie particularly silicon. That's in these devices then there are. These software frameworks. Let's just say something like homekit right that. Make non apple hardware devices compatible with apple software. In some way it's kind of a way of linking into like a broader sort of network devices and then there's this cloud layer right that increasingly is becoming a subscription layer which is essentially apple offering optimized experiences. If and the if is the big caveat if you're subscribe to something and if you're using apple devices so we saw examples of it this week and julian gave a really great overview share play earlier right sharply is one example of that like sharply essence is like okay. You're you're sharing a screen with your friends. Your co watching something like a watch party like some people you know started doing during the pandemic great or you're just like you're collaborating something together. These are not new ideas but the way apple is doing it as saying okay. You have to be using facetime and if you're going to a big scream you have has been apple tv rights. Something that's apple. Tv enabled and so that's just one example of like it's very specific to apple software. The way apple software works and you have to have another device in your home. That's going to work in the apple universe. Even something like apple. Watch controlling your smart home gadgets. Right it's gotta be like you have the iphone. Which are you have. The apple watch presents. You have to have an iphone because you can't actually set up an apple watch without iphone and then if it's controlling those smart home gadgets. That has to be something. That's home kit compatible. And then if you're gonna use siri now because syria can now come to third party devices like the echo smart thermostat. You actually have to have a homepod mini for that to work. So it's just like this glut of apple products at the hardware and software layer. Here's another example. Right apple announced that memories. Now which are you. What's the photos app on your iphone. It you go to the four. You section apple has collated some photos for you and turned it into a quote unquote memory. You can now add music to that but in order for you to do that. It pretty much has to be an apple. Music subscription like they're limited things. You can do so this is all just about like apple saying yes you can do all these really cool things and there's amazing interoperability between devices and services need to pony up for apple stuff. Well this is part of the vision that i outlined to both you and mike before i think lauren because i i am totally buying into this. I think the watch is going to be key to everything eventually. Like the apple chip in my watch. I just i'm going to. I'm going to unlock my car. Gonna lock my car. Just gonna move. I've written like the smart home experience as it exists right now is just so patchy and you know there's so many glitches like every three years. I want to write an article. This just like up. The smart home still sucks and then just move on but if if everything is integrated with apple like the my true my vision of what of what will happen like you'll just have on annual unlock your front door and one of your your preferred lights you know for five pm are just gonna come on then my my my happy time. Happy hour music is just gonna come on for my home as a walk into my kitchen and the air to ambient temperature in my house will be set to the perfect seventy four degrees every at every time of every day. So i mean maybe this is how we get a smart home ecosystems. That actually works except that you're going to have to buy all apple stuff. Maybe it. I thought you were going to say when you said eventually. The apple watch chip. I thought you were going to say eventually the apple watch chapel just be implanted in me and i will be able to remotely control of my home devices with it. But what you're describing is is like this optimal experience. That apple is promising. And honestly it's it's why so. Many people like apple products. That there are obvious. Upsides and downsides to this approach. And one of the downsides is that it's really expensive to live in the apple universe and that maybe in some way could limit what app developers can do such a closed platform and limits competition and of course apple is being scrutinized pretty closely for purchase its power and influence over our tech experiences but the but the other side of it. Is it like the it just works promise. Sometimes that is the case and so sometimes people just want that level of interoperability. So this is not the appropriate place to make a joke about how. That's what i thought. They were putting in my arm with injection. Was the show. We don't make a joke about that here when i was testing. The homepod mini. I'd be playing a podcast for my kids in the car on carplay and then i'd walk inside the house and would still be playing said that my phone down next to the home. Many would just continue seamlessly playing right in the kitchen as i was getting lunch. Or whatever like just those little those little sparks for apple users have to be willing to shell out the money for it. The effect is is very powerful. And i mean that's what i saw with universal control. It was like okay. I know this is tightly controlled demo but if it works like that. That's pretty awesome. Yeah but the other sort of obvious you know we touched on a bit of this especially with the smart home ecosystem lake. It's nice because you don't have a lot of other companies out there that can do the level of integration. That apple does so. It's nice to be able to have an option that is completely controlled by one system but then you also look at them you know you. Just don't get a lot of choice with sort of everything. So when you're looking at adrian was talking about the smart home homekit only really works with so many third party devices And if you look at alexa and google assistant your options for you know adding smart stuff to your house is insanely large. There's so many choices. There are so many price points you can hit there so many different types of products. Maybe that's gonna happen now. That apple is allowing syria to be built in two other Gadgets but you also know that apple is going to control very finely exactly who is allowed to put siri in in another device so You know it's sort of that trade off of like while they're much slower to come to market with something that you can potentially use in your home and when that does come it's going to be significantly later and probably pricier than what's already out there. Yeah and it's i mean that's that's exactly the heart of it like part of the reason. Why the smart home has for so long and continues to sock is that everything has to work together. Perfectly and that is just not proven to be the case. There are a lot of Sort of Industry organizations where there are multiple companies working together to make protocols to make smart home stuff work together and you know an apple announced that it was joining matter. Is that what it's called the new one That Amazon and google already signed up for. And you know when you when you're buying stuff for a smart home leave. You're like installing smart home gadgets. In in your house you do have a lot of choices and it always makes sense just like by as much stuff by the same company as possible right. So you're like right. now that's amazon and google nest. Gets you about half half as far as amazon does but you know to have like apple homekit all apple devices all the apple services to tied together music icloud. I think it's gonna be really powerful for people who can like are already halfway there with all the stuff that they own and can spend the money to fill out the rest of their home and make you started out this segment by talking about universal control right that interoperability between specifically macs and ipads. So how do you see that fitting into this broader theme. I think it's gonna be the kind of thing where you are using her ipad in one room. And then you want to continue what you're doing but you want like a better computing experience. You walk over to your desk. You plop your ipad down next to your mac. And then you slide the cursor over and start typing there You know so you basically like you have a computer. Doesn't move and you have a computer that you carry around with you We kind of have that with the phone. But i think for the type of work. That apple is envisioning people using universe control for it's probably more suited to like typing. Or you know editing photos or things like that where you're not doing a phone you're doing on a bigger screen like an ipad so you know i see somebody sitting in their bedroom or like an easy chair using an ipad and then they wanna do a little bit more so they walk over they put it down next to their mac and then they have their full tool set that they're that they're used to is there some kind of inevitability. Do you think though that apple pushes more and more into you know services across devices that there's also just more inevitable frustration. Like i i get. I get that the interoperability has the benefits of when it works. It works well. there are security benefits. That apple can build into these products that maybe other companies can't you know and people just there's cachet stole attached to apple products but like what happens when there is a latency between using that feature between your mac or your ipad or your you find out that an apple subscription service. You've been paying for for several months. Didn't mean to re up to because it's just like build into your icloud. Whatever or you. i don't know just some things things start going wrong. Yeah i mean that that's always going to happen right. I mean the main problem. I think the one of the things of this is dislike like spotify naked. I would honestly. I would rather like switch jobs which houses moved to a different country then switched from apple music to spotify. Because it's just so hard but everybody uses spotify and it so much like it's just it's such a better service than apple music. But i can't because i'm enmeshed in the apple system so it comes down to lakewood. Juliet and mike was talking about choice. Like if i was the kind of person who was who would be happier with some limitations and some device or other then maybe then. Maybe it'd be totally. I mean i don't know if this is really what you're getting at lauren. Like what are you know when i see family. They always say Apple watch has just suddenly stopped pairing with my phone. How do i fix. It goes from time to time and we just reset it. I just saved. Let's do is all right. It's backed up to the cloud. Let's just you reset and we ask repair it and it repairs and i'm like why you know. Why is this happening. But maybe that just speaks to the sheer volume and multitude of devices that we have in our lives now and services that we're using. I also spent like a couple of hours trying to troubleshoot net flicks problem. When i was visiting family. You know like maybe these things just happen now. I think people would be genuinely disturbed. About how much of gadget labs technical support is have you tried turning it on and off and then try to get. Just just do it again. Mom logging back in the scarier thing that i wanted to mention it. Is you know with everyone. Sort of the obviously apple promoting interoperability is going to get people to buy and use more of its own services but that also is going to create even bigger of a bubble that people live in. And you already see you know we all know about the green bubble effect an i message you know how people who use iphones and they text android users and they get the green bubble inside the blue bowl and sometimes they can treat those people differently than they would if they got a blue bubble physically sick case in point. So there's this sort of worry that the more people are becoming more tightly entrench to the apple ecosystem if you give people a sort of a negative experience with people that you know because may not maybe. They can't afford to buy a mac. They buy a windows machine but if they experienced there is annoying for that apple user to interact with that other person and then they might literally changed the way they act toward that person. Know that is something that has happened. And i think that that is definitely problem of how apple decides to treat people that don't by its own devices. It's a very good point. That's a really good point We'll look we have to wrap this up So let's take another break and when we come back we'll do recommendations getting things done is a challenge that everyone struggles with one way to tackle. It is to make sure you have the right tools for your computer. Setup packs over two hundred high quality apps for your mac and iphone into one quickly find and select the most effective apps. You need for tasks setup curates the right apps for us. You can focus on your work. It's also a great value instead of paying thousands of dollars for separate licenses. There's just one flat monthly fee new apps or added to set up regularly without additional charges their ads with setup. You always have the right apps at your disposal so you can get more done and spend more time doing what you enjoy. Head over to set up dot com. Try setup up free for a week all right. Here's the last segment of our show where we all gave our recommendations for things that we want everybody to enjoy adrian. You get to go first. What's your recommendation. So just in this past week there have been like this whole slew of articles about how this summer is just going to be a hot mess for everyone you don't we don't even nobody even knows what they're going to be doing lake so my recommendation is for everybody to just chill out and get themselves a two piece bathing suit to people on it wired have bought this on on-base wear a two piece bathing suits. A women owned company recycled and they fit. They fit really well. They stay on you know. I don't even know what you're going to be doing with your vaccinated summer but my recommendation is a swimsuit. That's actually going to stay on so very nice. Should i go to pieces. That is that your advice. Yes and then you can. We'll all wear matching pieces out to branch. Mike it's going to be awesome julian. What's your recommendation. So i hate wires which is kind of weird working at wired but generally when. I'm organized my desk. I have a very. I have a system where i try to hide as many wires as a canon used to. Just use this Hundred dollar desks. That i bought a house on used duct tape to hide all the wires behind the walls again. Terrible because that'll peel off your paint. So instead i got I'm testing currently this Desk from this company called secret lab. They make gaming chairs and other. You know home furniture equipment. This new desk though is sort of designed to hide and help you hide all of wires and there's different accessories that you can get with magnets that you can. Just click onto the underside of the desk. And all that just makes it easy to hide everything and make it. Look very wireless and very clutter free. And i am all about that. I feel like every six months. I've just changing how something looks on my desk. So this desk for me is something. That's just like peace of mind. I didn't have to use that tape. I didn't feel off any paint. So it is. Unfortunately though it's a little pricey it's It's believed three ninety nine for the large version of there is going to be a slightly cheaper one for a smaller vision later. Down the road but secret lab. Magnus desk and i'll be writing something up for that. Unwise dot com soon enough. It's quite handsome. It has all these channels in it. It's kinda cool for like running all your cables. I assume right yeah as different channels and you can still certain amount stuff finishes even monitor amounted to it and even that just looks much better on this desk rather than other desks were kind of forces you to create some space on the back side of the desk. So all around. It just makes it look much prettier and also you can get a light strip if that's your thing. All right well. Adrian is recommending the Something for the hot mess summer jillian recommending something for the work from home summer part to lauren. What's your condition. So i don't really have a recommendation for your hawks. Summer though i fully support the idea of it. I would say that you should go checkout tom. Simon nights profile in wired of tim. Nick gebru tim. Nick abreu was a google researcher. She was working on ethical a. I am an outspoken critic of some of google's issues with its i products and she was ousted from google late last year under really bizarre circumstances and since then other people from the epochal. Ai group at google have either been fired or have left in protest of what happens and tom. Sawyer is excellent. i really underscores. I think some of the internal problems that google but also some of the broader issues that we are facing is just kind of You know proliferates and effects our experiences and technology and gabriel is one of the most i think high profile black women in in a in research and she's just absolutely go read this story so that's my recommendation. It's it's kinda shameless plug of wired but go read tom. Simonize story out this week about tim. Montgomery in wired -solutely hard hard second recommendation over here mike. What's your recommendation. this week. All right i am going to recommend something that is going to make your life much better if you are a twitter user who uses the web version of twitter which is most people who use twitter. I assume So i just this on the desktop. It's a browser extension. It's called a twitter and it's from the developer. Thomas wang it is a fantastic tool for cleaning up everything about twitter's web interface. So if you install this browser extension which by the way works on chrome fire fox and safari you get a very simplified user interface you lose the topics section you lose the follow stuff You won't see promoted posts. There won't be a border on your main feed unless you wanted to be there You can even get rid of some of the other navigation elements like you can get rid of the explore icon you can get rid of the lists icon. You can get rid of the little tweet button. That hangs out in the bottom right corner. You can get rid of the the search button that hangs out in the top right corner. You can just make twitter. Look how you want it to. So i like a feed that is just tweets reverse chronologically with absolutely nothing else and this This browser extension allows me to do that. so i would i would highly recommend it Especially considering that it gets rid of all the promoted stuff which and the and the trending topics which is like. That's not what twitter's for twitter is not for trending topics twitter's sharing jokes. It's for retweeting jokes. It's for sharing information as soon as it happens and for sharing pictures of emily dreyfuss his children that may show up on your apple. Watch that you may have just persuaded me to tweet. More than once. Every full moon mike. So we'll see we'll see what happens. Excellent all right. Well thank you all for your recommendations for your insight about w dc. This is the end of the show. So thank you adrian for joining us and thank you julianne for joining us. Thanks guys that was super fun and thank you all for listening. If you have feedback you can find his twitter. Just check the show notes. This show is produced by boone. Ashworth goodbye we will be back next week ronald. There's an app for everything these days. Some excellent and others not so much we've set up. 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Vaccine Incentives, From Donuts to Dollars

Gadget Lab Podcast

33:52 min | 5 months ago

Vaccine Incentives, From Donuts to Dollars

"Life is full of things to manage your work. your family. Your plans and your treatment considered key symptom ofa tomb amount twenty milligram injection. You can take it yourself from the comfort of home if you're ready for something different. Ask your healthcare provider about key symptom and check out the details at key symptom dot com brought to you by novartis pharmaceuticals corporation. Mike lauren mike. If you happen to have been on the fence about getting vaccine what is the thing. What does the prize that would have pushed. You get one. I think maybe like a dozen doughnuts. That's it yeah. Sure you're gonna say a million bucks. Yeah okay million bucks. Well i guess your simple guy donuts. We'll do it for you and it turns out. Donuts might do it for a lot of people. Which is what we're going to talk about today. Hey everyone welcome to gadget lab. I'm lauren good. I'm a senior writer at wired. And i'm michael calorie. I'm a senior editor of wired. Why does it say a senior editor at buyers. What is that did. I missed the joke. That was me okay. Moving on for the second week in a row that laughter you hear is from wired senior correspondent adam rogers. We had atom on last week to talk about his new book which is all about color. It's super cool. It's super nerdy. Which is what we love here on site lab. So i recommend that after you listen to this pod ego. listen to that one But we're very happy to have him back on this week to talk about vaccine lotteries. Hey adam hello. i'm glad to be back. it's a lot of a lot of us. seniors chattan just apparently. I'm also geriatric millennial now so that's really fun. So adam you wrote a story about this on wired dot com this week. It all started in ohio where the governor announced that any resident who's got at least one dose of the covert nineteen vaccine would automatically be entered into a lottery to win a million bucks and then other states followed suit right. California upped the ante. One point five million where we all happen to be in california. West virginia is giving away money and trucks and guns which is so west virginia now private companies like united airlines and. Cvs are also getting into the game. It's all an effort to entice more people to vaccinated but our question is. Is this going to work. Right would a slight chance of winning. A load of money. Actually convinced holdouts to get their vaccine so atom based on your reporting thus far. How much do you vaccine. Lotteries really influence people's behavior a lot. More than i expected when i started. I will admit. I went into this with one hypothesis and it was falsified but just a little background The the united states is doing in spicer. Measure very well and getting people vaccinated. I think it's like seventy five percent of people over some age are have two shots Getting close in some places like california. I think it's fifty percent of people have who are all of the right age. Have both as different states are doing better or worse depending on the politics that stayed on. What's going on there. But the overall numbers are going down the overall numbers of people who are getting vaccinated are on the on the downslope and that's especially true. Miss true in some states in others. So what do you do about that. And the question is like well what what's going on. Why are people not going to get their shot. Especially because unlike most of the rest of the world at this point it's very easy to do for most people in the united states which is to say that their lines aren't that aren't long anymore. The the websites aren't insane anymore whatever And so you start to partition people into different groups right. You start to say well. There's there's people who just like really hate vaccines right. There's the anti vaccine and they're not invincible. And then there's the people who like me ran out there who would like waiting in line for hours like like. Was this new star wars movie but in the middle. What can i say so. Who are these people in the middle. What does it take to convince them. And that's where you get into the questions of marketing behavioral economics stuff like that. I would have said well. Listen what he was. What would be fair. Let's just tell people there's a reward when you come in just come in and here's one hundred bucks right something that's like. That's that's material to me. Somebody gives me one hundred dollars to do something that has salt weekend or whatever. That's that's some food for family so but it turns out that that's actually not the the right way that works on some people that dozen doughnuts works on some folks the free beers at someplace that kind of stuff. But you actually got to go if you'll pardon the use of this dumb joke from donuts two dollars what you need to do. Turns out is to nudge people into doing a behavior that they kinda don't want to do and kinda don't care but it's good for society and probably for them to is And i talked to. Richard thaler one of the co authors of this book on the richard failure and cast sunshine. Read this book called nudge. You wanna make it easy. Which different places are getting there with that and make it fun and one of the ways that you can make something fun is to promise people the chance at in life changing award if they get it and people really overvalued chance of that versus what they're gonna 'cause nobody's gonna win. I mean some people win. These are real things win them but in the grand scheme than just like with regular lottery like almost. Nobody wins one president. You know millions of people don't but the the idea the entertainment of the idea that you could win this life-changing prize becomes motivational and in fact in the place that's released data. State of ohio is actually data. They were going down by twenty five percent week on week. Vaccines and as soon as they announced they started going up by. Twice that number they end shaped kirk. That's so strange. And i would also expect the universe be true but it works out that the guarantee of some relatively small amount of money like fifty dollars or one hundred dollars is far less powerful than the very very slim chance of a huge payout in the millions What's the behavioral science by that. Well so i. I asked richard taylor about that. And he pointed me to i to the inverse which is a very famous paper in economics called a fine as a price and the idea of that. Was that if you if you find people for bad behavior. That doesn't actually keep them from doing that. Bad behavior because then they just build that in the cost of doing business and you see that in the paper. The examples famously like Making people pay money for being late to pick up their kids from daycare. Like what you're going to pay fifty dollars an hour to do that but if you're going to be late you're like okay. Well now i know it cost me fifty dollars. I can stay in the meeting. Or i can ignore my children or whatever the whatever your reasoning is for not being able to go pick them up from daycare now. You know how much that costs. It has a price and so the inverse of that in this case is okay. We'll if. I know that the vaccine is a fifty dollar thing. That's actually not worth my time. That doesn't move me off the mark you know And i put in a joke in the story charging five dollars for a year subscription to wired. That's what people value wired. Maybe maybe we want them to think it's worth. Maybe we want people to think our work is worth more than that. You know what. I mean hypothetically again but if you tell people that the value essentially the value of this is like a million dollars you could win a million dollars for it. That's gives it a higher higher price in a sense. What also going on here too. If the reason that you're hesitant is that you're very concerned about side effects. Both the the you know some of the very very rare but real ones that people talked about in the press. And i've written about or the stuff that's not real and it's just crazy stuff the five g chips or whatever nonsense like you're worried about that kind of thing. Then that's the that's a cost right of getting a vaccine way that against the benefit of not getting a potentially fatal disease and not giving it to other people which you would think would be enough but it turns out is actually not the way people do this valuation whether consciously or unconsciously mentioned for those of you who are considering subscribing to wired. I have your consent to you for fifty percent off shameless plug. My dmz open on twitter. Happy to get you to subscribe. Okay so adam. Is there a relationship between the people who believe they have a chance of winning a lottery. No matter how slim the chances and those people also concurrently believing that there could be negative impact such as well. Do you know during the height of the coronavirus. Pandemic is that the same kind of personality. That believes they could get the worst of covid. Nineteen or with getting the vaccine could potentially have the negative side effects. Like i'm wondering if people who think that they are subject to particularly good fortune also tend to believe that they could suffer the impact of bad fortune. It's a good question and i didn't. I didn't ask about that. I i know that there is this thing where people. There's there's a sense among behavioral economists among some public health folks as well but the people who were who didn't get vaccinated who aren't super. Ed baxter are super hesitant. Or just like probably gonna find are the kind of people who who generally don't think the bad thing is going to happen to them in the future about all kinds of stuff and one place that people see this for example is in is in saving money as in finances. The the consultant. Who helped design. The oregon program actually is a. He's a management scientist and does economics work at stanford as well and he founded this abang called long game savings and what they do. Is they sort of gamma phi savings. So they'll like. If you save more money you get entered into a lottery. Just like this and he and for him like it really works. That improves like by forty percent or something. The number of people who will save money trying to get people to do stuff. That's good for them but they but they don't otherwise feel motivated to do because it's off far off in the future and it doesn't it doesn't make sense to them to. Do you have to play a game here. Put them into the game in the same way that that entering them into what is an opt out lottery for when you get vaccinated not opt in opt ogden. People tend not to do as much but as soon as you make consumers saving for retirement opt out ninety percent of people do it because like i already did it made it easy just like failure and sunshine said it makes it easy so these are opt out lotteries when you get vaccinated even like i in california i got vaccinated before the lottery thing started by like a month but anyway you know like i'm still in all of us are all of us are in it if we get vaccinated because that makes sure that you're in it and what you wanna make sure that you do at that point also is show other people winning you set up a regret lottery. People fear of missing out they go. Oh i can see that. Somebody i know or somebody losing your meat. Whatever actually one. I know this is a real a real regret lotteries. That is that why. Okay so in california. We're also giving away two million gift cards right there. Fifty bucks a piece. They work at grocery stores. That's in addition to the prizes that are like a million and a half dollars and fifty thousand dollars so is that why they give both large prizes and small prizes. You actually see people that you may know. Winning was a little bit different right. The giveaway that everyone can get a fifty dollar card surprises to right. Not everybody gets one of those. So yes that's why you want to have those prices out there showing. Oh somebody did win. That's amazing you know like yeah and and you do it like the one going to be one winner in every zip code would be another way to do it as guarantee that dry gust every zip. Yes so you do the small prizes so people can see the actually happens and then they think they have a better chance they don't of course like the chance of winning is really really small But this is the thing. That hyper rational. Economists have never understood about lotteries. either they will. Why would you play the lottery. When you you pay three dollars for a lot of card and the value the expected value in the parlance of the game here. The expected value is very low. The expected value that is less than the papers printed on quite literally. Because your chances of winning are one hundred million or something like that but but people over value the expected value. If there's a chance of the life changing win at the other end of it we do have to go to break shortly. But i want to ask you a question which is how much of this is is marketing in effect or just getting the conversation going about vaccines but i happen to be in the state of connecticut a few weeks ago when the state opened up for lack of a better term right it was may nineteenth. And that's when business is going to be fully open and people could remove masks if they chose to and i happened to be there for that and it was like this really kind of interesting experience to see you. Who's psychology sort of some people just flipped a switch But there was a lot of conversation going on about vaccines about safety and during that time. The state of connecticut rolled out an initiative to give people a free drink alcoholic or otherwise participating restaurants. If you showed your vaccine card. And i and i noticed and i happened to be around mostly people who were vaccinated some not and it was just people were talking about it. They were just talking about the fact that this was an incentive which made me wonder like. I wonder if this is. It's just that people are gonna the more it enters the conversation stream. The more likely it is that people would actually go get it done a ton and and in a positive way to. It's the the talk you'll have positive for once stood talk about something about this pandemic in in a good way like that's amazing right hasn't happened. It feels like a year and a half. So i have two pieces of evidence that that say that you're right about that one of them is what the spokesperson for. The governor of ohio told me which is that for the cost of the lottery the vaccine billions they call it an ohio Which which ends up being something like five point six million dollars five million dollar prizes. And then they're also doing scholarships for kids to the tune of about six thousand for that amount of money. They got by their calculations over twenty eight million dollars worth of free media so coverage on tv and newspapers and on radio and places. Like why i about the free media. So they so they find x. Thing more than five dollars to market the fact that there was a vaccine people should get so. That's that's what that money was for was for vaccine marketing public health so that work and then the other example of why this is really good. Marketing is what happened in the united airlines. And i can tell you more about that if you after the break. That sounds great. We'll be right back home modern leaders. It's not just their ability to reason we value or their eloquence. What truly matters is their humanity just like modern leaders. The ls is human. At heart with intuitively designed functions. Everything is within reach. Thanks to a new twelve point three inch touchscreen anticipatory available climate concierge since your temperature and adjust to keep you comfortable and with up to seven available shiatsu massage settings. You'll arrive at your destination refreshed. Every feature of the ls was an pathetically crafted around you engineered to a higher standard the human standard. The new twenty twenty one lexus. Ls experience amazing at your lexus dealer. So adam tell us how we've landed in a position where we're now raising the airlines high. No oh sitting there like oh united's off because it's been so long since i've flown i don't want i know it's like if you ever fall in walt mossberg on twitter. You've known for the past several years. That united is absolutely not awesome but please continue So right what happened in the united in the telling of advice marking their who runs mileage. Plus which is their frequent flyer program is that they wanted to do a bunch of things they wanted to encourage vaccination because it's good for the world they wanted to get people back to flying because that's resided because that's what they do there and they and they wanted to figure out a way that like an economical and marketing way to encourage that that return and build loyalty and increase customers. Do all the things corporations wanted And so they they had a bunch of meetings and what they started to circle around with the idea. Let's just give people some frequent flyer miles. Let's give them. You know whatever two thousand five thousand miles plus points if they fly again if they come back and the marketing side Loop bondar who's Talk to you. The marketing side kind of rushed in there were like. That's not what marketing says don't do that. Don't do that for for a bunch of reasons so some of those reasons. Are you trying to build not just build loyalty but start new relationships. We get new customers. Right that's what that means in real english not marketing and so two to do that like so that means you want people to join mileage plus but just giving them points that's great and then from an economic perspective. It's not so great for the company either work because mileage plus points. don't ever expire. That was one of the changes. They made it that program because they felt like. You want to build the loyalty program. Having an expire actually doesn't loyalty that make sense to me but because they don't expire you give everybody who if you every mileage plus person and also everybody who buys a new ticket on united and signs up five thousand points. Then that's like you gave that money out. There becomes a liability this just hanging out there forever and you never know when people are gonna use it so you can't. You can't plan you. That cost you money. But if you spend what's relatively a small amount of money for the company to build that again that life changing possibility of award in this case the grand prize in their sweepstakes is i think a year of travel for two in first class. Which like again if you have flown like that's really life changing first-class nights right. You cut out for cats and can you bring a carrier right. Yes can have the other first class. As far as i can tell you can do whatever you want. And i think that's how that works but can fly by itself and they have to give after. You've it warm nuts so that that becomes something that people go. Oh my goodness that's really then people see it. Then it has the same effect that the big money lotteries have in the states and according to the numbers that bonder told me they saw a four hundred thousand people. So you have to upload your vaccine card. I mean you have to prove accident flight. Four hundred thousand people to one hundred thousand new mileage plus members and he hadn't done the math yet but he was going to go back and look and see when they got vaccinated to see if it was since the contests and sweepstakes was announced. Because then you would kind of be able to say like yeah. They did it because we gave him this announcement. So they're they're pulling the fomo lever right like wreck the year you get to travel first class wherever you want you and a guest for a year like that's that's like can you imagine you know people start like immediately thinking in their heads all the places they would go But you know an airline is in a unique position to do something like this because they can offer that that sort of foam experience have you seen other companies that have had the ability to generate that much. Fomo i mean not that i've seen have you seen other folks doing that. I haven't like any any company could right. Yeah but you know it would. It would be different if it was like a year of taco bell. Burritos or like a year of free bowling. You know it's like it's hard to to generate that's true who controls those sorts of experiences but then again so but lemme lemme invert that and say like okay. Well i mean apple could say here's the top line i pet. I mean they got a lot of those lying around like okay. Show your vaccine cartoon next time you come to the apple store. We're going to give away one in every zip code of the united states super bowl tickets super bowl tickets world series tickets. All expenses paid trip to the world series and i my hypothesis now. I was wrong. Initially i said i thought that if you just give people fifty bucks that would help and in fact it's a lottery thing so my apologies clearly. Totally incorrect As far behavioral honest but like any experience like the experiential. Things seem to be even more. Like i overvalue the experiential things even more than the money my head. Maybe that's because i'm living of privilege in this point but like if you could do that and you say we're going to like triple world series or major league baseball next time. You come to a ballpark show your vaccine card and your entered into a lottery for all expenses paid trip for four to the world series disney. What's interesting about that is that it shows that our capacity to evaluate risk really is fairly poor because not only do we tend to inflate our chances potentially winning something like that in a lottery but we also still don't have a ton of certainty around events right we're sort of operating under the assumption right now all of these things just. They've started to open up and they will remain opened up when in reality. We don't know what fall or winter. Twenty twenty twenty one is going to bring. We don't know what's going to happen. Sorry guys but like we don't know what's gonna happen future if there are other pathogens emerge rate and so sure it's amazing. How much like we're so kind of willing. I think we all want to deeply accept these these possibilities right now. We're going to be flying again in the near future but look in some ways. The lottery thing is like this is a last resort. This is the least best solution because the lottery is what you do. When you don't want to have a vaccine mandate right. We'd like to encourage people we want to encourage people to get vaccinated because because politically as a as a matter of policy had seen as toxic to say no. Nobody gets on a united flight without a vaccine car. You know my colleague. Mckenna's been writing about axiom passports and that's sort of with me like no nobody gets into a major league ballpark without proving your vaccinated. Nobody gets back to work. Nobody comes into the skyscraper. All that separate with the people people just hate that you know. And the politicians and policymakers hated even even more potentially. Because i think surveys show that most people don't send the seventy percents or something. Yeah there should be vaccine minutes. I don't want to go into a supermarket not knowing especially with my my under twelve year. Old kid who can't be vaccinated have to wear masks anymore vaccine Less it's more risky to to my i. My perception of risks even worse now in some respects than it was so what the what the what the nudges do. The behavioral nudges are an alternative. To just saying no you can't you don't have to get vaccinated but you can't come in. These places are not which people just really aren't. People are very uncomfortable with right. They don't respond by taylor. Generally but the decision makers aren't comfortable with it. Like i said i think it says a general i think population y survey. Say the people. Humans are actually more comfortable. That decision makers are so when you use prizes and cash to nudge somebody into doing something that they might not otherwise have done There must be ethical considerations right. Yeah there are And a come from a funeral directions so of granular one is. Is it ever okay to convince someone to do something they otherwise wouldn't do and you know that's that's what asking about right In different cultures have different. Have different ideas on that you could. You could see. The idea of the nudge in this case of the blight changing lottery prize. That you're probably not gonna win as being fair fairly If not benevolent at least neutral you know that. That's kind of benalla about gambling. I suppose as as some people see that is worse than others. But this doesn't hurt anyone except for the fact that you're changing their opinion and so if you really want to ask questions about that you gotta ask questions about marketing baby. Science in general which i think are probably questions worth asking right because at a certain level nudges become dark patterns. They become the things that keep our attention on social media when we wouldn't otherwise be paying attention to those are all nudges the behavioral economics and behavioral science of. Why you keep staring at at your phone right. I think we we could probably be like maybe borderline if not over the border into being unethical. People wouldn't ordinarily do that. It's making you're making do that. So they'll look at at so they'll buy more stuff. Maybe that's bad and this is this is from the same. This is the same the same class in dark arts right Some kind of behavior. That's right and then at a at a bigger level you could ask well. Maybe it's not ethical to use this. This isn't exactly gamification. But it's kind of it exists same space again vacation in the sense that you're trying to make it more fun and how they re points in the same way that when you're when the circles on your watch all come together or whatever and that's sort of award in itself it existed in a similar space to that trump's entertainment games are Are are usually seen as being something that has intrinsic rewards the reward is just playing the game itself. There were the the word that silly hodan to i talked to a u x consultant psychologist. They're their auto tech Do you do them for them. For their own sake saying somebody can come to get vaccinated because they get entered into a lottery with there might win a million dollars. That's an extrinsic reward. It's extrinsic to the thing of getting back stated and it's a different sort of nudge than just saying like we're gonna put small vaccine clinics in every mall in it every post office bank and place the people go and then when you get there. There's somebody standing their own backs needed and then people who would otherwise not done like yeah. I guess oh sure. Point threatened the shoulder of which which there's not there aren't ethical issues. You're making it easier. That's the make it easy part not to make it fun part particularly right so the question is is it ethical at all to like. I'm gonna use a fraught word here. I don't mean it as bad as it will sound. Is it ethical to pervert a game. Is that ethical. The pervert something. That's on a telic or should have intrinsic motivation and turn it into something experts an extrinsic motivator. And i think the game vacation people end thinkers. The game theorists A lot to use it to do this to have these behavioral put these behavioral controls in place and arguably the idea that there are scientists and government officials in policymakers thinking about how to control your behavior at all kind of has a little. Maybe that puts shiver people spines to. I think it's actually. It happens all the time. And that's how you govern population so get used to it but you know maybe people see as well too so the guests there. That was a long answer to. I probably could've just said yes. There are ethical implications. Michael thank you. So before i let you go. We should probably just make it clear for our listeners that getting vaccinated twice like beyond the double shots that you're supposed to get with some of the vaccines isn't going to increase your chances of winning a lottery correct. That is correct. You only get entered the one time. It also doesn't there's no science that says it also makes you like more super powered against the backs. I would also like although i could. I don't think anybody's studied. It's actually. I've kind of had this vision of being like chris evans in captain america. Where you know before he goes in the tube and then afterwards like have you got another dose and maybe you'll just emerge like that. Keep coming out. Keep them have dreams. I also had to being. Chris evans and we all have dreams. Alright thanks again adam. Let's take another quick break. We'll be right back with recommendations. What does that game into you. That's game encapsulates. The excitement swagger and energy of the nba. it's a bold declaration understood by insiders and casual fans alike and the bar has been raised when it comes to the game of basketball and culture itself. The nba is always moving forward. That's game is all about capturing the league's most dynamic moments on and off the court whether it's through moments of iconic game play or giving voice to its community of players and fans the nba nba's always pushing new boundaries and athleticism style ideas and more. That's game is more than just a game. It's the story of luca playing in slovenia. That's game steph. Last second win of the three point contest. That's game donating three thousand meals to houston during their crisis. That's game russell. Westbrook making the cover of g. q. That's game the wrote. The nba finals is on. Don't miss a moment. adam you first. What is your recommendation. This week next week comes out that. I was lucky enough to get an advance. Look at call the hidden palace by a reddening helene wecker is a sequel to book. A few years ago called the goal of the genie which is set in turn of the century. Last turn of the twentieth century new york where a golam which is like a a jewish mystical version of a frankenstein monster and a genie from miss show up in the lower side and become friends and it was really lovely. It's it's a beautiful historical fantasy with all kinds of magic and cool stuff. The sequel is out records. hidden palace. comes up next week. And i read it. And it's just delightful. It's just a great terrific book. Awesome great recommendation snack fight. What is yours all right. So i had. I had my first hang with friends out of town this past weekend since the pandemic started raw vaccinated. So we all got together. We went and slept at our friends. House we had other people come over i got roped into cooking breakfast and i remembered. How amazingly versatile el pa. Oh is this is a tomato based hot sauce. It's made in los angeles. The company's been around for over one hundred years. It's called el pozo because it has a picture of a duck on it comes in a yellow can and it is spicy and it can be used for absolutely anything. You can use it to cook rice. He can use it to cook potatoes. You can use it to make like vegetable stew. You can make chula keel as you can. Put it on enchiladas. You can just use it as a salsa on your tacos so if you like mexican food and you like spicy tomato based sauces l. Potato is the king. So that's my recommendation as a bonus I'm also going to recommend that you read the story about this company that came out earlier this year. It was an eater l. a. and it's an l. a. based company it's family owned and they talked to the guy who owns it and some of his staff and how they adapted to covid and the fact that there is still rolling all these cans off the line. It's really amazing l. porto. That's my recommendation. New recommendation is to have michael calorie. Make you breakfast. that's my new will. You're speaking my love language. My man lauren. What's your recommendation. i have to recommendations this week. One is inspired by a lot edleman contributor slash co host on this show and another one is inspired by a compensation that a group of women at wired had yesterday. So the my first mike. The law like recommendation is sour cream with eggs. If you haven't been doing this you should have sour cream with your eggs. why why. Why is this inspired by galati literally just talked about cooking breakfast. Oh sorry because it's dairy because no because the largest lakes combining things and announces them on the show as though it's a novel thing that he's combining and sometimes it's a little weird but for the most part it's like it's pretty normal stuff and i feel like this is the same like lots of people probably already been putting sour cream in their fried eggs and i'm just scrambled eggs and i'm just new to it but i like it so i'm saying you should try it if you have not already and i'm going to say it with gusto and like the way that god would my second. Recommendation is a romper from patagonia. And this is partly inspired by our conversation. I had with a group of women at wired yesterday because we were all recommending some of our favorite products that we can just kind of got us through this weird period or that. We've really used a lot and i have worn. This romper jumpsuit. So many times. I love it. I've now convinced like my sister-in-law by one other friends have been like. Where did you get that jump su I have it in kale. of course it's called kale. It's really great lightweight material. It's really durable. I've worn it like you can wear it with sandals if you're going out at night because as some of us can actually go out again. I've also worn it fly-fishing because the bottoms are so light we kind of put like a long sleeve top over it and it was like it was perfect for that. Yeah it's wrinkle free. It's like pretty incredible. And it's only one hundred nineteen dollars. So i highly recommend the women's fleet with romper from patagonia plus patagonia discreet repairs on your goods. If you happen to get a tear in them or something like that so going on the show notes and thus began my career as an influence or from fly fishing to a glamorous night on the town that's right. I'm wearing it now. Oh my gosh. I'm like i i didn't realize albany seems like a nice romper. Aches things at them. All right. that's it for our show and my very very lengthy recommendation. Thanks for humoring me. But mostly thanks to adam rogers for joining us again this week. It's my pleasure. I'm always happy to see snack by great seeing you as well. I can't wait to see you. Irl soon yeah totally. And we'll talk about apple next week so i'm excited about that. Yes next week is wwe dc annual software developers conference. That's usually jam packed with news. This year it feels like even more important. Because there's a lot of scrutiny on apple right now. It's coming on the hills of apple's epic trial with epoch maker fortnight and just a lot of people are paying attention to apple's apps were policies right now. So we're going to be looking at that as well as all the updates. That are coming to mac. Os and every other platform that you might be using so be sure to tune in next week for next week's gadget lab where we're going to unpack ww dc. But for now. 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iPhoning It In

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And i m podcasting from michael calories closet We're also joined by wired reviews editor julian shikata who joins us from new york city Julianne who's closet are using from right now in our zooming on an iphone thirteen. Are you allowed to say whether you are hello. I am not in a closet and no comment all right so today. We're talking about apples. Pre produced visually stunning and somewhat boring iphone. Thirteen event. This week as you may have heard there was an iphone event on tuesday. It was entirely online. Because we're not yet back to in person events. Yes my tweet. About arriving apple park before bone was a joke. Everyone there are some new iphones. A couple of ipads and apple. Watch or at least. There's the suggestion of an apple. Watch because we don't yet know one at shipping there are also some new software features in the iphone specifically around the cameras. So we're going to get into that software a little bit later in the show and maybe talk a little bit about fifteen which is the upgrade that we like to say. We'll make your iphone feel new again even if you don't buy new hardware but first we have struck about the iphone. Thirteen so guys. This year was definitely a year when we saw an extension of existing apple product lines. There were no huge surprises. Julian i give us a round up of the new iphones. And then we'll talk about the actual standout features sure. Yeah so just like last year. You have four iphones to choose from. The iphone mini iphone thirteen iphone thirteen pro and iphone. Thirteen pro max. They're all the same sizes and overall. You're right it's pretty boring in that everything that's new. Here is a slight improvement of existing features so for example The batteries on all of them are bigger. You're gonna to get better battery life. That particular is good for the iphone thirteen. Many which you know learn you tested the twelve. Many last year in the battery life was sort of a sticking point. So that's nice. And there's one big perk for the pro models this year. It's a promotion. Which is this refresh rate technology. That apple introduced back in twenty seventeen with the ipad pro and finally. It's now coming to an iphone. Basically more normal smartphones have sixty hertz refresh rates in. That means you're seeing sixty images per second on the screen whenever you're doing anything from scrolling on twitter or just moving around the interface By doubling it to one hundred and twenty hurts you're gonna be seeing double the frames so that means everything's gonna look a little smoother and nicer when you're interacting with things and can even improve things like game play when you know when you're in a super fast Frenetic action game for example. You can sort of have them more responsive field because everything is just to feel a little buttery smooth So that's only for the role models so you're not going to get that with the thirteen thirteen many but everything else. Otherwise pretty much the same across the board. The main camera for all of the cameras. This year has sensor shift technology. Which is something. Apple introduced last year instead of the lens like on most phones. The actual sensor is stabilized. So that should theoretically help with those micro movements when you're just holding the phone and taking a picture which should mean better nighttime images for example and all of the lenses on all of the cameras can now capture in more light so basically. You're going to get better camera performance in lake jillian. I have a quick question for you. Not that you. And i have lunar units from apple or anything like that we're not seeing on the show But the back the phone. You might notice that there's a diagonal cam replacement When you compare it to the iphone twelve found eleven the the you know the actual camera lenses. They're they're stacked differently. What what's the point of that. So apple had mentioned something about rearranging the internal components to allow for bigger screens for example. The notches on the front camera are smaller this year. So there's some rearranging going overall but probably it's just to make sure that everyone knows you're using a new iphone. It's seems like what it is right like. It doesn't really seem like there's much there to change. And they just moved it so that yup you have an iphone thirteen not the iphone twelve. Okay so what else is new beyond the cameras. There's also improved storage sizes so for example. There's no more sixty four gigs storage option. Which probably should have happened a long time ago because cheap android phones. Come with a hundred and twenty eight gigs And also the pro models now can go up to a whole terabyte which is probably a lot of space and more than most people need. But who knows. Maybe you're feeling with pro. res- format a new format. You can film with on the iphone pro models. It's something that really is reserved for that photographers and videographers. That really tinker with their footage. Because it lets you control your clips a little more. When you're editing them And one cool. New trick is also photographic styles which is sort of like applying filter on instagram. But before you capture the photo and by doing this you're basically able to tweak elements of the photos before the processing so things like skin tones. Don't get damaged or changed or drastically altered so it should theoretically meaning a nicer looking filter. So julia what we saw this week during his presentation is that they took a lot of time to walk us through the Technical innovations in the lenses and in the in the capture technology inside the phone but a lot of the stuff that you're talking about like pro raw photographic styles all of the The the low light performance. A lot of that is just software right. Yeah it is. And i feel like it. Some of it might be to do with that processor. it's hard to say because they don't divulge too many details but it could be that some of those features are only enabled with the processor which is really why we never see apple porting a lot of features back to older models of the times. It's you got to buy the new hardware to access that new feature so Who knows they might introduce something like photographic styles to the old one. I don't see why the iphone twelve for example wouldn't be able to handle something like that especially since every year they seem to tout the chip's capabilities right so if it's that good white paddle these new sort of glorified filters But yeah it could just be just a way to make sure that you by the new harbour. Yeah i was gonna say. I call bullshit like there was a period of time where they were they. You could use portrait mode on people but not objects are pets and then there was like. Oh but you know you really gotta get the new phone if you wanna if you wanna take Portrait photo of your your cat over there and it's like you couldn't just like update the software on the on the previous model which still has a pretty darn good system on a chip and make that possible I mean come on folks. Yeah i do want to maybe give props to google for routinely bringing back a lot of their software features that they introduced with every new pixel. They'll usually roll back to a pixel or two from the previous years which is nice and definitely something apple could could do more often. So what are the big differences between the pro model phones and the norm e phones. The normal phone soon. I can take this one. Although like i said it's not as though julian has the pro in his hand right now and i have a thirteen. We're not saying that So the iphone. Thirteen camera is good. But if you want the best best cameras you're probably going to want to go with thirteen pro or pro max or mike would probably argue. You would probably argue the pixel phone I mean the way that. I think i look at iphone. Thirteen like in broader context. This year is one. It's going to be an upgrade year for a lot of people because more and more data has that people are holding onto their iphones for longer. And i think probably at the start of the pandemic We didn't know how things were going to pan out turned out that people were still buying lots of iphones in laptops and tablets in chromebooks. Right we know that the companies have done tremendously well but there probably is a pretty large group of consumers who've just been holding onto things and now they might be ready to upgrade and they're probably gonna wanna go for something like thirteen or thirteen pro so i tend to think of. This is an upgrade year for a lot of people. In second thing is that this is like a whole other thing. But we're starting to see subsidies coming back from carriers and like even today. I got an email from walmart. That was like one hundred dollars off the new iphone. Thirteen if you get it at walmart. So i think apple is going to start you some of those carrier channels in retail channels to really market these phones this year and that might spur some some more purchases to so julian. You're one of the people who reviews iphones providing. Sure all your friends come to you all the time and they say should i get the new iphone and like what are you gonna tell people this year like who should get a new one this year. If you have an iphone twelve the answer is no because usually if you have laster is fallen. Please hold onto it for another year or two. Because you don't need to upgrade every year and also there's just not much of a difference from last year so you're really not going to see a tremendous benefit if you have the iphone eleven if you're fine then hold onto it another year you know but if you just feel like you batteries not doing as well. One thing that we will point out is doing a battery. Swap is pretty easy with apple if you just take it there and they'll replace it for a very nominal fee. That's something that can extend the life of your phone but if you have anything older than that then. I think it's definitely time to upgrade. And i think you will enjoy the iphone. Thirteen is probably the recommendation that will have for most people The iphone thirteen many. If you really want that tiny phone and then the f thirteen pro if you want the best and biggest thing out there We're always a bit if on the iphone. Thirteen pro because it's sort of a three hundred dollar jump from the iphone thirteen and it's also in this just like okay. Well one hundred dollars more. I can get the the the big super big one. So it's really a question of whether you want the pro features and you don't want that huge size than short over that instead. Yeah almost everyone that. I know who goes pro. Goes pro max. Because it's you know it's the bigger screen it's like. The big value added that giant screen. Yeah and for under bucks more just sort of makes more sense. I have an eleven. And i have to say. I'm tempted to upgrade this year. What what from seeing everything about the thirteen would sort of make you want upgrade. Three things the better battery life the cameras and just the faster processor Yeah i mean. I kind of prided myself on holding onto the eleven for awhile and not getting the and i. It was not even the eleven pro. It's just the eleven. I went with an army phone. This was the phone. I thought that most people needed and wanted and like as product reviewers were always getting access to the best gadgets. Top of the line models. We get to borrow them and use them for a period of time and i and i just thought i just wanna see what sort of a regular iphone experience for a while But now i'm like. I'm really tempted to get thirteen and possibly the thirteen pro backs. Not not max. That's that's a little too big for me. Gotta get the max also speaking of the max. We should probably also talk about the mini. Which is the ipad mini. That's that's my recommendation this week. Oh okay well maybe you can. Just give us a rundown of the ipad mini in your recommendation. How's that work. And then we'd be remiss if we didn't mention the apple watch series seven which apple also announced on tuesday. Oddly enough no release date for it which is pretty unusual. We had heard advance of the event. There've been reports that there might be production delays on this one. Interestingly we heard there might be production delays because of totally revamp design the. Turn out not to be the case. I mean there's a little bit different about this watch. It has a bigger display smaller vessels. there is it. Looks like an apple watch. It wasn't a dramatic revamp or anything like that That said you know. It is one of the world's best-selling wearables and world's best-selling watches. And so lots of people will probably by this but we are not we. Don't we don't have the chance to test it just yet so i guess we'll have to do a leader sean. That maybe brown adrian so since she also loves her wearables viechtach all right. We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back. 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But at this point you know it's a staple feature most phones you take a picture portrait mode and it'll sort of blur the background around a subject giving you a nice bow k Which is what the effect is called and that sort of mimicking. Ds lars traditional cameras. That can do this because they have these giant big lenses that can simulate that depth and you know it just makes it look nicer and so here. They're applying it to video and this isn't the first time we've seen a company try adding portrait mode to video samsung low and couple of other manufacturers have done it before but all of them have been really bad like. I've tested all of them and they're all pretty bad they just look horrible. This is the first time. I think and of course. I've tested this yet so i can't say anything if it's gonna look good or not from what they've shown us. It looks the most feature filled version of this portrait mode. That we've ever seen For example it's not just applying this bocquet effect around a subject. It's also understanding when subject for example looks behind them and then it might shift the focus to whatever they're looking at and if two people in the frame it will put the focus on someone in front and if they turn around to talk to the person next to them. It'll shift that focus to that person as well so it's really smart. It's like analyzing everything that's actually in the shot and choosing a lot of things based on what it thinks he wants. But don't worry you can change a lot of that later on you can control it when you were filming as well but also the really cool thing is. It's actually capturing this entire depth map recording so later on if you think that oh well. I didn't want that to be in focus. You can just go to that page. And it'll switch the focus quickly so it's pretty remarkable. That is something that we haven't really seen you know we've seen being able to change of photos. Focus on pixel phones for example. It doesn't work that well but this is the first time of. We're seeing something like this for video and it's pretty incredible. I'm very excited. Because the lack of depth in videos is something that has been an issue. For a long time i liked taking photos with my maryland and videos of maryland. And you really can't recreate that depth feeling that bocquet look without having an expensive lens. Attach to your camera and being able to get something similar. Bill see how it looks but if it sort of actually looks reasonably well. That's very exciting. But one thing that i wanna point out. Is that if you look at the technical specs on. Apple's page did not say this at the event of course it only works at ten. Adp thirtieth bs now frames per second might not be a bad thing but ten eighty p might be a bit of a issue for some people as we're getting larger screens. You know it might look good on your phone but maybe if you put on a monitor or a big tv sprouting to look a little pixellated. I don't know we'll see which brings me to my big question. Which is what is the audience for this. You know like what you're telling me. Is that the videos of my cats playing with each other. Or you know mike. My cousin's baby taking its first step is going to just look better like kathryn. Bigelow is not going to shoot a movie on an iphone that shoots thirty f-. Ps ten eighty p even if it has all these cool features so like content. Maybe sure but. That's a pretty slim sliver of apples potential. You know millions in hundreds of millions of of customers for this device. So why even do it. If it's so limited and why make such a big deal about it being like the cinema features pros have always wanted. If like this is not what pros want. Pros are just gonna use a red. A red dragon or something. Yeah i think what's kind of cool stuff. They did not restrict this to the pro models. This is actually going to be baked into all the iphone thirteen devices. So i guess i think pros are going to look at this and be like what the heck. Why isn't it in four k. Or eight k whatever But you know. It's the same story with portugal. Bowed like i personally don't know how many people out there are using portugal regularly but as soon as that feature became available on my phone. I routinely take portrait mode shots. Most of the time. Because i think when it works it actually looks really good. Looks a lot better than sometimes. the traditional photos. So i think it's something that we're gonna see that if most people are able to just access it quickly and easily edit consistently will looks really nice This might just be the default way. A lot of people shoot videos of s- particular subjects maybe not landscapes or something like that. But you know if they're taking video of their baby or their pets or another person. I think people might gradually shifted to using this mode more often. Just because it'll have that nice little look and for most people that's probably fine. Hey it saves on storage space 'cause Probably not shooting four keilor super large files. But i don't see pros really gravitating to it because they probably have the right harbor to you to have that. Look instead of using a phone to simulate it so we have both gotten a glimpse of the pixel six shoo-in and we wrote a story about how cool is going to be using a new chip. Its own custom designed a tensor chip in this phone In pixels already have great reputation rate in terms of their cameras. So even though we haven't tried the pixel six yet. How do you think these new iphone. Cameras are going to stack up to google's latest cameras on pixel. It's hard to say. Because i know what pixel photos look like and i'm they're very tuned to my type of contrast and sharpness whereas there's the iphone has its own sort of style Which i also appreciate lake but the larger sensor with the new pixel is going to change a lot of things than it might actually change. How a lot of the photos end up looking so it could be significantly better than previous pixels. But i don't know if we're going to say it's significantly better than the iphone thirteen for example. It might be. It could be on an even footing. One area that i think is going to be. Interesting is pixels have always suffered in their video department That's something. Google specifically tried to address when they were teasing a the The pixel six they were gonna like. Oh it's going to be better this time but now you know with the iphone having this cinematic mode and pro res- video capabilities. It might be that pixel is still playing a little bit of a catch up there But it does make it exciting and did it finally feels like were in a bit of a competition again to see. What exactly is the best camera phone out there instead of it being the pixel for like four years in a row significant is the keyword there because even with iphones like it's very easy to tell the difference between a photo taken with like an iphone. Five and photo taken with an iphone eight. It's very difficult to tell the difference between a photo taken with an iphone x. And iphone twelve because the cameras have like they've matured to the point and the sensors and the chips have matured to the point. Where every photo that you take with an iphone is past good enough and into the realm of very very good so if you go out and buy the new one is it gonna take photos. That are that much better than the one before it. Maybe maybe not. I think like you know. That's probably why apple is pushing all of these big video features and the features that people would usually use other apps to like photographic styles. Because it's just like an added bonus to the things that you're already used to instead of saying here is something that is significantly better than what you're already used to. Yeah it's even the same with sort of night mode like we used to spend so much time talking about night mode of these events and how you can take better photos and low light but now it's sort of like an after thought you know like oh yeah. It'll take nicer photos at night. Like cool you. That used to be a hard thing to do but within the past three or so years. It's just become such a normal capability that nowadays. If you have one of these top end models you can take really good photo at night. So that's nice to see. And i think that's that's great but It is making it a little harder to be choosy with. What exactly is the best camera phone. Okay since we're talking about video and since we're talking about the apple event that happened this week. I have to ask you w t f is up with the video. That apple used to open the iphone event. This week the california soul video. Because i have thoughts about it but i'm curious to hear your thoughts about it. I am curious to hear your thoughts about it because my experience with watching these things is. That's when i gather my thoughts. And i don't pay attention to the video. Yeah it was just felt like a giant love letter to california Yeah that's really. I'll have to say about that. Mike what are your thoughts on it. I thought it was bad. It was really bad. I thought it was bad. I thought that like the cinematography was bad at that. The music was really bad. I thought it was like way too rapid fire. Quick quick quick. Look at anything that they were trying to show me One of the people that we work with jokes on slack while these events are going on you know. We're covering them so we're all on. Slack morales typing furiously and making little jokes and asides One of the people that we worked with joked that at the end of the presentation apple is probably going to say all of the stuff that you saw. Those vistas all around california. Were all shot with brand new drone because it was just it felt like one of those videos. Somebody got a new drone for christmas. And they went out and just like when an a two week road trip and just did a bunch of crazy drone shots and then edited them all together until like ninety seconds and showed it on a big screen and made all their relatives sick. I thought for sure that we're getting a glimpse of the metaverse because the final shot was at the california desert. And you see tim cook. Sneakers is very cool. High top sneakers just kind of shuffling through the sand. Did it all of a sudden. He stepped onto the keynote stage. Presumably at steve. Jobs theater at i was like. Oh this is the metaverse. Yeah i thought. I was watching. Alto minute all right. Well mike as always. Thanks for your brutally honest assessment of you know portion of the apple event. There's a lot of people who used to work with here. Wire to now work at apple who were probably involved in. I'm sorry that. I just dragged on your video but sorry it was not. It's not for me. It was not for me. Don't be sorry. They went to the dark side. Sorry guys we're making fun of your videos all right. Let's take a break and come back with our recommendations. Wouldn't it be great. If there were a pocket-sized guide that helps you sleep. Focus act and just be better. There is and if you have ten minutes head space can change your life head. Space is your daily dose of mindfulness in the form of guided meditations in an easy to use app head. Space is one of the only meditation apps advancing the field of mindfulness and meditation through clinically validated research. 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This is the best deal offered right now. Head to head space dot com slash gadget. Today jillian is guest of honor this week. What is your recommendation I would stay in line with the theme of all things apple and recommended the mac safe ecosystem. It's something that apple introduced last year. If you're unfamiliar basically with the iphone twelve up a thirteen as well they all have. This system called mac safe. Which is this array of magnets on the back of the iphones that let you stick accessories and different little gadgets on the back of them and i feel like they're underutilized and apple. Isn't doing that good of a job promoting this because it really is pretty amazing. I do a lot with photo video stuff. And i'm constantly putting my camera tripod which involves rotating on tripod head and screw and all this stuff and it's very very annoying but the fact that i can just take my iphone and i now have this job guerrilla pod which has mag say on the head. I can literally just put the iphone right on this mount and it just sticks. It's it's amazing. Like i don't need this on ener to deal with clamps and there's so many of these accessories out there moment. Has these mounts that. You can attach if you wanna add. Video lights or microphones to your iphone while you're filming and everything just clicked into place with no effort necessary and i think that is amazing. I think more people should utilize it. And we have a guide on wired dot com. Where i spent the past year testing more than fifty different cases and accessories for the iphone twelve. And we'll be doing one for the african thirteen so please go check that out. But also magnets magnets stick to it. Mike tell us about your recommendation. Okay so less over recommendation and more of a challenge. Just get the ipad mini. Okay like i dare you. I dare you to just get the ipad mini instead of a phone. Like for real apple showed off the new ipad mini this week and we haven't tried it yet. We don't know how performs but knowing apple knowing track record with making tablets it's probably great It's the same size as the old ipad mini but the screen is bigger because they've improved screen they got rid of almost all the battles they got rid of the home button now his touch. Id on the the wake sleep button just like the ipad pro and it's beautiful and it accepts the new stylus the apple pencil too. So you can just magnetically clamping onto the side. Wirelessly charges it. It has a usb port. Which is what you really want a phone instead of lightning port. As far as we know it doesn't have wireless charging. But i saw it and i was like its galaxy note. That's what it is. It's apples galaxy note. Because it's like you know just a little bit bigger than galaxy note. It has the same size screen. It has a stylus you can use and you know unless you're somebody who always holds their phone to their ear which. I don't know anybody who does that anymore. You might not wanna be holding. A giant ipad mini up next year. You'd look ridiculous but also if you already do that with your galaxy note you already look ridiculous so just own it. It probably doesn't take as good of pictures as an iphone thirteen but as we discussed earlier the pictures it takes probably good enough you can get it with four g. l. t. you can get it with five g. You can buy a plan for it. It's only five hundred dollars. Just get the ipad mini. It's like the ultimate giant phone. I kinda love it. I will say you probably also need to get a pair of cargo pants to go with that to that in your pocket. I mean yeah. that's that's a very. that's a very patriarchal comment. Julian because you could also carry a purse or a satchel of a man a man verse. Just carry it there. I want to see it. I wanna see. I wanna see people out in the world using an ipad mini as their phone. And like you know with the stylus taking notes watching movies because it's you know it's it's just does all the same phone stuff that we do I two things to say about that. One is the you still can't parent apple watch with an ipad. Whichever a real bummer. So if you're an apple watch fan. You can't actually just get rid of your iphone and but that doesn't matter nobody. Nobody needs an apple okay. The other thing is Caroliina melania save for creative strategies. Which is her. Her research firm A pretty good breakdown of the apple of in one of the things she suggested. Is that apple's sort of reinvestment in the ipad mini this year. Because you'll note. The ipad mini also has. The top of the line processor is that this could be a precursor to a foldable. Now that's what. I was just a gas but i thought it was a pretty good one. Yes possibly although. I will say that. The ipad mini is a foldable. It doesn't fold. Which is what you really want to foldable folding devices or bad and had many is good because it doesn't fold although it gives you all the advantages of folding device without the big disadvantage which is that it folds. You see what i'm saying. Yes you're seeing. That ipad mini as not the three d. tv phones. No it's the it's the galaxy note of iphones right. Okay and galaxy note is dead now so our. It all you people out there. Don't buy the folding phone because that's nonsense by the ipad. Many five g. lauren. What's your recommendation. My recommendation is not an apple product. Geez have you guys like forgot to tell me that maybe the next wired employees who left to go work for apple. I feel like you know all right anyway. My my recommendation is from another tech giant. I recommend that you check out. Lula rich on amazon prime video it's a four part docu series about The hopes and dashed dreams of lula row. Sellers at lula. Row is a multilevel marketing scheme. selling close to women. I will admit. I've only watched the first episode. So far i Was watching it last night. And then i and then i wanted to watch but i started to fall asleep because you know. Apple event davis very tiring So i'm gonna continue it over the next few days hopefully this weekend but Yeah so far. It's pretty gripping the creators of the docu series actually sat down with the co founders of logo Deanne and mark And so you can tell they sort of pitch them on like we wanna hear your side of the story and the founders say like we're so grateful someone's here to tell our story but you can just you can tell right away that things are things are not necessarily going to go well so Yeah check it out if you get the chance. Nice all right. That's our show this week. Thanks julian for joining us. Thank you forever takes. Mike being the best co host ever course back out you sees and stay tuned for our iphone. 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I Can Haz Memes

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I Can Haz Memes

"Life is full of things to manage your work. Your family your plans and your treatment consider key symptom ofa tomb amount twenty milligram injection. You can take it yourself from the comfort of home if you're ready for something different. Ask your healthcare provider about key. Santa and check out the details at key symptom dot com brought to you by novartis pharmaceuticals corporation. Mike lauren mike. If you had to describe what a meme was someone who just didn't quite get it. How would you define a medium. Well it's like an idea usually a humorous joke. It's something that gets passed around to a lot of people and becomes its own cultural touchstone. I don't know how many doing i think that's pretty nebulous. But we're bringing someone on the show who i hope can clear it up for us. Good we need an expert. Welcome to gadget lab. I'm lauren good. I'm a senior writer at wired. And i am michael glory. I'm a senior editor of wired and this week. we're joined by emily dreyfuss. Emily is a senior editor at harvard. Shorenstein center on media politics and public policy and she also happens to be our former wired colleague where she wrote about the dot and alexa and cybersecurity issues and much much more emily. Welcome back to gadget lab and so happy to be here you guys. I feel like. I'm returning home for a minute. And in many ways you are because you are known for the limbaugh story in which you appeared virtually in a bunch of wired meetings courtesy of a robot and so now we don't have the combat with us but we zoom. Yeah i feel like. I was kind of an early adopter of the virtual workspace situation when everyone was freaking out in the beginning of corona virus. Like how are we all going to get this done. I was thinking man. I've actually been working remotely alone in my home for going on a decade now so emily has been living in the metaverse much longer than the rest of us. i think. that's like a whole other podcast episode. We'll talk about the metaverse at some point but today we're talking about memes because that's the subject of a book that you and your team had been working on so internet memes started out harmless enough right a few pictures of cats and maybe some grammatically incorrect techs. I mean how bad could it be but in reality memes have been deployed as a weapon in culture wars for more than a decade and even more persuasive than most people realize a well placed me on somebody social media. Timeline can lead them down a rabbit hole of radicalization misinformation even extremism so emily. You've been working on this book. It's called drafted into the memoirs. And it's about how memes have fuelled whole ideological factions and shaped our politics in the real world. But i take us through the history of me and let's go back to that question. I asked mike at the beginning of the show. What is a meam exactly and wendy. They really become a thing. Okay really good question so you know. I am writing this book. I should say with my team at harvard Which is led by a sociologist named joan. She's a sociologist of techno culture and movements. And how they are fomented online and the interaction between those movements and the internet and so she is really like a foremost and inspiring expert on how media online gets used to bring people together and then the other person writing the book with our senior researcher. A man named brian friedberg. And he's an ethnographer who he he calls himself a digital ethnographer anthropologist which means he basically lives inside the communities of the internet that use this media to become movements and so the process of writing. This book for me has been learning about means a lot because as an internet reporter. I have to say that. I ignored memes for far too long because they seemed trivial and they seemed like jokes and they seem like something. I could not pay attention to. Because they didn't they didn't carry real world import and the process of writing. This book has taught me how wrong that was. So what's a meme. Where does it come from. It's an old idea It was coined by the philosopher. Richard dawkins and in his book the selfish gene. I believe it's called. He came up with this idea for me. Which is very similar to what mike said. A mean is an idea an idea that like a gene in our dna and in our body can travel through generations. More change but stay with us so he defined a meam as any kind of idea that can take hold in culture and then continued to be passed on through generations and time and contexts. It it didn't become an idea that was referred specifically to internet artifacts the way that we think of it now until the late ninety s infact the guy mike godwin who is best known for coining godwin's law which is this law that any discourse on the internet will inevitably become a discussion of nazis. But he also is. The person who i began applying the word museum to internet ideas sticky internet ideas. So that's how we commonly understand them. Now what makes me mean is actually a little hard to define a lot of people think of has to be visual like it has to be an image with text on top. That's actually specific kind of mean called macro museum but memes can also be slogans or hashtags or things called snow clones. Which is like that saying where you kind of can insert any word into a format of a phrase and say something different so like the uber of television is a mean. That's snow clone me. But what makes the means is is rather that they have to have a couple of characteristics right so they have to be memorable. We call that stickiness. They have to stick in your mind. They have to be kind of weird in some way so that they are memorable so think of stop. The steel is one of the most important means of our time. And it's very strangely ungrammatical and that ungrammatical nature of it makes it weird and makes it memorable and then if a phrase or a piece of media or a saying or an idea can be distilled down into either an image or a soundbite and then within that distillation of words you can convey a whole huge idea as well as conveying an in group and out group there are people who get the mean and there are people who don't there are people for whom it's funny and people for whom it's you know either total gibberish or a target that's a central feature of a medium and then another thing that will make it a meam is its ability to be remixed and used in different contexts by different people so that it can travel through the internet but come different things and yet always maintain its central core of an idea. So the thing you were just talking about about the the otherness right like the has to be weird and it has to be something that is not going to immediately make sense to people the first time they see we've all encountered that we're like we're browsing twitter or on facebook and we see a meme like okay everybody's reacting to this and it's obviously funny. I don't get the joke and how do you. How do you get the meeting like what's the process that people have to go through in order to begin to understand what they're talking about when they see me. Okay this is such a great question and this process is what makes memes. Dangerous in terms of them becoming entrances to a rabbit hole. That can turn you into an extremist without you realizing it and i know that that sounds so like hyperbolic but the truth is that's absolutely true. Now let's take a meme coined or maybe perhaps popularized by alex jones the phrase false flag now false flag is a mean it is not immediately apparent what it means if you don't know the context of those words don't mean on their face. What the phrase false flag actually means. Okay if you encounter that and people are interacting with it and they're saying like this is a false flag event and you've never heard that phrase you don't know what they're talking about this curiosity gap. There's this desire to know to figure out what what the hell you're missing and some people will just move past it because it's alienating if you see a community of people discussing something that they clearly all understand and you don't understand there's a couple different ways you can respond. One is to just move on and the other one is to be like i really want to figure it out and to figure it out you google it or you. Go back in the thread on the forum. You're on read. What was the thing. they're talking about at the very top or you go on youtube and you watch a video about a person explaining it and all of that process of trying to figure out what on earth false flag is in order to do that research yourself to do your own research on the internet you are now opening yourself up to falling into so many traps that are laid for you. So specifically the false flag. When you're just trying to define it you would find you know truth or videos saying that. The sandy hook massacre didn't happen. You would find so many stories alleging that all of these events in world history were part of a grand conspiracy and maybe someone who is like. Wow this is crazy. I would really prefer to look up the dictionary definition of this phrase ha or am i would really like to find a wired explainer on why false flags a mean. Maybe you'll do that but the way. The internet is formatted the whole system of the algorithm of search results of everything. Means that that might not be what you find. I you might have to search pages and pages and pages of stuff to figure out. What false flag means to figure out what the me means and in that time you definitely have now been exposed to things that could be ideas that could be harmful to you so based on an earlier conversation we had. This book is really going to cover me. Spending as far back as you know the nineties up to occupy wall street as a movement that really will at the power of memes up to more recent events I think if things like gamer gate or even pizza gate that would you say was the meme or one of the memes in our recent history. That signaled some kind of turning point that you and your fellow researchers have identified as the moment of right. Some people actually take these seriously and they could have real life consequences. We'll so the truth. Is that this. This research has taught me that we have to go far back to identify the first memes that were powerful like this way before the internet you know concepts like the new world order. That's a mean concepts like blood libel and antisemitic. Tropes in the middle ages that were used against jews like these are means that that traveled through culture but to talk about our more recent history and internet memes and the way in which these means have been accelerated by new technology to take culture wars online and make them go much much faster and lead to events like january sixth. I think one of the first means that for me resonates is in occupy wall street. I remember when this happened. I was in san francisco. Not working for wire but i worked for senate at the time occupy wall street was happening. It was two thousand. Eleven and these students at uc davis were protesting the conditions on their campus. And you guys may remember that a breaking news story happened because a police officer who had been empowered by the university of davis to break up the protest very casually pepper sprayed these students in their face. Do you remember that. Yeah he had like a like a canister with a tube coming out of it and just like walked up. Just sorta shot this jetstream exactly and it was just so casual and like his body. Language was very chill. The kids were screaming. People were yelling. There was a crowd around. Everyone was holding their phones. You know this was only a three or four years into p everyone having an iphone But everyone was streaming this taking photos of it taking video and a one photo that was captured that day then went pretty much instantly viral. It was it was. This was the of facebook becoming the thing that everyone looked at twitter was just like showing its utility. You couldn't live stream on twitter yet. But you could share photos so this photo of this cop doing this. These students went viral. And then it was taken and put into photoshop and people cut him out and then they put him into historical famous paintings or like historical photos and the comment was a comment on like the ridiculousness of his action. Of how hit like the casualness with which he wielded his like his state given power was so clearly wrong and so in some ways it became a really galvanizing moment for police. Brutality and weather you were someone who was following occupy wall street whether you weren't occupy wall street or yourself or like totally against occupy wall street this made sense to you is powerful and it went everywhere and then and then what was so interesting going back and looking at it was that then the meam got news coverage in a way that all sounds normal to us you know means often get news coverage but this was one of the early examples of an internet. Meme getting coverage and that coverage in some ways eclipsing the coverage of the event. I went back and listened to some radio reporting about the incident at uc davis and it was two days later and the reporters were actually just going over. The funniest means that had resulted from the incident and they were just giggling so much which also shows how means can be completely decontextualize from the original thing that inspired them and the the first instances of the pepper spraying cop me as it came to be known. Were political statements about the like casualness of police brutality. The further from the event it got and the more it got a photo shopped into like the painting of the signing of the declaration of independence. The less it signified the thing that it had originally signified and so it could become something that was just funny and in some ways to me it was a wake up moment listening back to that recording and realizing wow what like as journalists we really should have been reporting on the violence that had inspired this mean and not the fact that the movement self was a funny photoshop. Right and that's an example of where the distillation of the media itself actually becomes somewhat harmful All right we're gonna take a quick break when we come back. We're going to talk more. About how online memes can have realized consequences. Let's talk about the most fun. Stylish charged up electric car out there. The mini cooper s e. It's an electric unlike any other. It looks like a mini drives like a mini because it is a mini electrified. Perfect for the city or for the burbs stand out from all other electrics and then speed up. Its many go handling with an electric charge. Starting at only twenty nine thousand nine hundred dollars reserve yours at many usa dot com. So we've talked about how memes develop and proliferate on the internet but let's get into where they go from there and how they spill over into the real world emily and the first half of the show. You briefly mentioned the capital insurrection on january sixth. How did memes lead us there. So many different means played a role in bringing different people to the capital that day. And it's you know it's hard to pinpoint any single one that was responsible for bringing. Let's say baby boomers who believed that the second civil war was coming or kyun on adherents who were mesmerized by the where we go one we go all neem that then convinced them to show up that day or the save the children mean which was a hashtag that they co opted from an actual movement and turned into conspiracy theory. There's so many memes that lead people to develop the worldviews that brought them to the capital that day. But i think that the most important one to talk about is stop the steel and it's a good example because stop the steel was a meam whose origin we know exactly. You know some of them. We don't sometimes. It takes a long time to figure it out. Because they're born in a place like four chan for instance like the boo blue mean is one that like you can trace all the way back to gun boards on four chan. But you have to go. You had to do digging figure that out. Stop the steel. You don't really have to dig it all. It was a phrase coined and created by roger stone. You know powerful behind the scenes henchmen roger stone He created it in two thousand sixteen when he assumed like all of the media that donald trump was not gonna win the election or was it to be clear he thought donald trump was not going to win the nomination for the republican candidacy for president in two thousand sixteen and so he created the phrase. Stop the steel and registered a website with that name it because he was planning already then to claim that if trump had not gotten the nomination it was because the nomination was stolen from him by the republican establishment and the political establishment and the quote unquote swamp which is also a meme and the deep state. Which is also mean. However he didn't need to deploy that mean at that time because trump did get the nomination and then he did win and so stop the steel of the website and the idea just like sat around waiting to be deployed by an operative and he. I applauded in two thousand eighteen in the midterm elections When like i think that the republicans didn't get as many as they wanted it or whatever and he was like. Oh now stop. the steel can come in. They stole those from us. I'm sorry i'm so sorry for that. Impersonation of gold stop the still an interesting one because it is literally a top down meam it was created by a person empower. He had a clear agenda for what to do with it. And it followed some very smart Rubrics for being memorable as i said it's slightly grammatical. It's a three word phrase which the best viral slogans are. Black lives matter stopped the steel critical race theory. He savagely created a slogan that was evocative of some kind of wrongdoing. But not specific enough that it could be easily disproven and also vague enough and wide enough that it could be applied in different contexts So the stop the steel medium That led to the capital insurrection. You know it was. It was deployed by people at the top but then it with a wide audience of people who adopted it from users on twitter from matt maga- supporters i mean maga- is another To people who were looking to professionalize and make money off of movement that could be built around meme so all of these people created companies and traveling tours to do rallies around. Stop the steel and all of that infrastructure and work and pre planning was hidden by the veracity of the phrase in the veracity of the phrase was a rabbit hole into an entire universe of election. Fraud allegations all of which didn't need to be true. Only some of them and even if none of them were true the pin number of authority provided by like stop the seal lawsuits and officials in the government using the phrase this deal including the president of the united states gave enough sincerity to the idea that this meam conveyed that it was it was impossible to ignore for people who wanted to believe that it was true so earlier in the show and mike gave his description of mem- i said sounds kind of nebulous. But actually what you're saying is that Sort of That can exists around some of these phrases and the fact that they do catch on but can be used or misused in different ways is part of what makes it a mean totally. It was too specific. It couldn't be a mean it wouldn't be able to be remixed. Wouldn't be able to be a reapplied and there are some memes that are pretty specific and therefore then they're like a niche mean like the memes that only resonate in the handyman facebook group. Because they're all about fixing sinks or whatever like there's very there's journalist museums they don't have a wide adoption outside of their in group because they're too specific but a up a meam that is nebulous enough and that people can project their own ideas onto and that can be taken out of context and put into a different context is very very powerful. So if you're a facebook or twitter or read it and you encounter something that has this like nebulous obtuse meaning but also opens up a door to this world of you know bad information and you're tasked with eradicating misinformation off your platform. What do you do like. What does twitter do with something. Like stop the steel before it becomes obvious what it is well. They had enough warning that they should banned it immediately. They can stay. See they see these things going viral. They see who's spreading them especially with something like stop the steel stop. The steel was being deployed as a hashtag on social media by known and prolific and very influential disinformers. And you know that's a clue to the platform to have been taking it seriously in the first place before the insurrection twitter and facebook had been very very resistant to taking any kind of mitigating action against a sitting president because he was after all the president of the united states and they were a private company and they felt that if he wanted to use their platform to reach his audience. Wasn't the place of a private company to be silencing the president of the united states. They changed their mind after they saw what happened with. Stop the steel and they kicked trump off twitter. They kicked him facebook. And the and the impact was immediate. I mean the impact on the news and information ecosystem online was incredibly immediate. Which goes to show that kind of d. Platforming is very important and it is within their rights and their power to do it. But your broader question you know. Not every mean. Stop the steel. Not every is is so obviously a problem. And i would say what they mostly understand that this is what means can do. There's some naievety. And i and i admit as i said earlier in the show i mean i had some of that like as a senior editor at wired i have to admit i was always like why would be an entire article about this mean that only these nuts over here care about or like. Why is it worth our time to write a news article about a funny mike. It's i know that it's enjoyable. But but it's not news. Like i really have to admit i didn't totally get it. So you're saying that you would not have assigned to the bernie sanders mittens story. I wouldn't i would have i. I absolutely would have. But i think i also would have would have an. I haven't read your bernie sanders. Oh no i think angelo water cutter wrote it for us. But i mean everybody wrote the bernie. Sanders mittens story right. I think that's like the one of the means that people on both sides the political aisle could kind of rally behind this idea of like a grandpa being transported straight from vermont into the inauguration. Totally and i don't think that those articles were harmful. I also think they can be moments to explain. Like that's a good meam to us as a as a way into explaining the power of memes because it went everywhere it was like viral in every political context viral in every state. And so if you wanna talk about hey what is. The risk of exposure to bad ideas through means or what is the power of means to bring people into a group together where they can create their own internal lingo and have their own badges and signifier of what they believe in that was like a great example of how to explain that to people but what can facebook and twitter do first of all admit that this is a function of memes and that means can only have this power when they are diffused to the widest possible audience and the widest possible audience for these memes is on their platforms and so they just what i really want for them to just not say they're just means because that's not true. They are much much more than that so while we're waiting for technology platforms to catch up to spotting harmful. Mediums is the idea that we as consumers needed to get better about spotting them ourselves. Well i i. I mean i think. Media literacy and meam literacy is important and in vital. but honestly it's such a cop out for these companies. And four policymakers and even for journalists to put the onus of this kind of responsible consuming information on on individual people because these are systems that are so intricate and so vast and journalists right now us all of us in this room are being tasked with being the unpaid moderators of these platforms. I'm sure that all the both of you have had the experience that i've had even when i was at wired like finding something that was going viral calling facebook to ask them about it and then being like oh my god. Thank you for pointing this out. We're going to take it down and this happens all the time you know. There's read any reporting about fake antifa. Facebook groups that were organizing violence against people in the pacific northwest or any of these things and in the articles about them. You'll see the statement after being asked for a comment about these. The platforms took the pages down and what that shows. Is that like. Yeah some people are watching. It's their journalists. They're researchers. They're they are independent researchers on twitter. Who are able to notice this and that is proof that the platforms could be noticing it themselves and this is why i'll also say you know. Oftentimes a mean can be an entrance to a rabbit hole and on its face. It doesn't seem harmful and you can see if you look in it like. Let's talk about the politically incorrect board. Unfortunate because it's a classic place for people to go and kinda workshop these ideas you can go on those boards and you'll see people workshop and what is the version of this meme that we should drop on facebook so that it won't get mitigated and so that boomers will see it and it'll lead them to this other thing like they're having this conversation outright and facebook should know that and should have people watching those forums because then they have no excuse when they say well. The one that was on facebook was just this harmless one. That didn't show anything. And then if he if i able to email them and say i literally just found the entire thread where these people workshops pudding one on your platform that looked like it wasn't a deal when really it was if i could find it than than they can find it all right so what i'm hearing from. You is that too. Much of the onus is put on news consumers to spot all of these various memes that are flying at us and that the platforms need you a better job of moderating content. I think we've heard that one before. That was great. Emily thank you. Let's a quick break when we come back to ask you for your recommendation as this ever happened to you you need to see a doctor. You search and find one. That looks good. You wait on. Hold the book and appointment. You rearrange your schedule and when you finally go in you find out. This doctor doesn't even take your insurance. Well there's a solution. Just download the free doc app easiest way to find a great doctor and instantly book an appointment with zach talk. You can search for local doctors who take your insurance. Read verified patient reviews and book an appointment in person or video chat. Never wait on hold with the receptionist again whether you need a primary care physician dentist dermatologist. Psychiatrist eye doctor or any other specialist zauq. Has you covered go to doc dot com slash wired and download the tzakda cap to sign up for free every month. Millions of people. Use doc doc. Zonked talk makes healthcare easy. Now is the time to prioritize your health. Go to doc. Doc dot com slash wired and download the tzakda cap to sign up for free and book. A top rated. Dr many are available as soon as today. That's zeo c. d. o. c. dot com slash wired. Emily what is your recommendation okay. I decided to onto random recommendations. One is that i urge you to look up. What happens to an artichoke. If you let it become a flower okay and if should we look it up or should we just let that happen. Both if you have access to artichoke plant definitely. Don't pick that artichoke. Just let it become a flower. It's going to blow your mind that this happened to you recently. Yes i bought a flower in in a farmer's market and was like what is this absurd thing that i've never seen in my life and it looks like an alien and i don't understand what it is and they were like this is an and it. Shocked me wow okay to start like snapping. Its jaws and seeing. Feed me audrey. It looks like it does go through a period where then smells very bad. But it looks like a cnn enemy. It's crazy so what's the other one you said you had to. Yeah okay. the other one is a book. I'm looking at. That is by an author named colin woodard. And it's called american nations. And if you're someone who's interested in cultural differences and regional differences in the us and how like areas get their personality. It's such a cool book. Or i'm so curious. Unpack that for a little bit more okay. So it's about the way in which like different regions in the us were actually populated and people by different cultures so like pilgrims moved to the northeast and danish people in people from the netherlands moved to new york city. And there's how you can get. He traces the history of the different peoples who came to all the different regions of the us and the way they got there and where their origins were into how those places then got their personalities and it explains it really resonates so well at explained so much. Why like louisiana has a lot more in common with canada than other parts of the south right next to it or why. The western coast of the us has a lot more in common with north east coast of the us than it does with like the mountain west so it breaks these regions in the us down and then goes through their entire history of the kind of characteristics and struggles of their people. And i think that there are some people who have said that it's a it's a simplistic explanation of some of these stereotypes of people. But it's a very good jumping off point to understand how like hundreds of years and thousands of years of history can come in create different cultures within a single nation american nations. All right those are great recommendations. Thank you and now. I know why Crab cakes and lobster rolls are so popular in san francisco. There you go mike. What's your recommendation. So this one's a little bit on topic. Because i'm going to send you read it The birthplace and Proving ground of many memes out there in the world. so there's this fun little easter egg inside. Read it and it's called are random. And so if you go to you know read it dot com slash are slash random it redirects. You automatically to a random sub. Read it so it's not actually a sub breaded. It's a redirection engine so you go from Are random to anywhere on. Read it and it really just shows all kinds of stuff so lauren just typed it in and she landed on the air pods pro separated just just clicked on it because i have it set as a as a bookmark. In my browser and i landed on the are poland. Read it separate it so This is what i recommend that you do. I recommend that you make it a bookmark on your browser bar. Because when you're just like board and you need five minutes of distraction and you just want something to look at. That's not the infinite skirl of doom known as social media. You can just go to our random and it will drop you into a section of read it that maybe hasn't seen any action in six months maybe has like millions of subscribers. And it's really interesting. Maybe is a section of culture that you've never experienced before and never would have experienced like a blade and soul which looks like a game. Lauren just answered it again. It's a korean fantasy martial arts massively multiplayer online role playing game Otherwise known as an emo rpg dealt by nc soft team flood last. If i sound like i know what i'm talking about is because i just read that out loud. Read that description so there you go so you know something that you never knew about that. You now found because of this randomness machine. So that's that's my recommendation. Check it out. Make a bookmark for our random. That's pretty good. Thanks i love. It reminds me of the wikipedia option to like go to any random wikipedia page. Absolutely so lauren. Your turn you're the host. What's your recommendation. I admit when i came up with this recommendation. And i jotted down in our weekly podcast script mike. I wondered if i was perhaps stealing it from you. Because i recommend white lotus on. Hbo max Yeah both fans of the show the chance to check this one out. Yeah no. I saw people talking about it on twitter and was like okay good. Apparently there's a new show. I can watch. But i know nothing about it. Yeah when you take some time off after. You're all done with this the book project. You should definitely check out this. Show as i say often if anyone is an. Hbo logging and let me know. I give it out freely. I think that's why. Hbo didn't send the press kit this year that they send people because i saw people tweeting about that and i was like. Where's my kit but anyway. Yeah it's a. It's a fantastic show about a group of extremely privileged people who descend upon a hawaiian luxury resort. These people don't know each other necessarily but they travelled in the same boat together and they are at the same together so they keep running into each other of the pool and on the beach and whatnot. And they're interacting with the staff at the resort. Who are more diverse and presumably. You know don't have. Their incomes are not as high as the people who are vacationing at the resort and You know it's it's satire. it's a really dark kind of i think the new yorker called it a tragicomedy and i think that's a good way to look at it a really dark look at the interactions between these groups of people And it's it's just quite good. At the time of this taping i've watched three episodes. I think by the time this podcast comes out. There'll be another episode. Check it out white lotus. Hbo max you have anything to add to that. It's a mike white show. So if you're familiar with mike white. He did enlightened on. Hbo he also wrote School of rock. And nacho lebron he was writer on freaks and geeks this is a another hit in his long output hits. I would say less like school of rock. And more like freaks and geeks for rich grownups. Yes absolutely oh. Wow that sounds amazing when you were describing it. At first i was hoping it was going to be like a jordan. Peele style thing and it would evolve into a massive revenge violence of all of these rich privilege. People get their comeuppance but it doesn't sound quite like it's going to be like that not quite yet but we don't know where it's going i mean i guess some of the press to write about this kind of thing regularly i've seen all the screeners for and know where it's going but It's a mini series. i think only six episodes. Yeah well speaking of press lauren. I did get the press kit for this. You did yes. It's an aloha shirt. A box of ashes in a bag of ketamine. That's amazing also also too. You know how to how to make your way through a midlife crisis. Yes yeah yes exactly all right all right. That's our show for this week. Thank you emily. Dreifuss former wired one for joining us on this week's gadget lab podcast. We look forward to reading your book next year when it comes out drafted into the. Moore's we'll keep an eye out for that and We miss you. Thank you so much for having me on you guys. I miss you gay. I mean not yet. But you're jay good to see you. Yes and thanks all of you for listening as always if you have feedback. You can find all of us on twitter. Just check the show notes. This show is produced by the excellent boone. Ashworth bye for now. We'll be back next week.

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I Never Metaverse I Didnt Like

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I Never Metaverse I Didnt Like

"Life is full of things to manage your work. Your family your plans and your treatment consider key symptom ofa tomb amount twenty milligram injection. You can take it yourself from the comfort of home if you're ready for something different. Ask your healthcare provider about key symptom and check out the details at key symptom dot com brought to you by novartis pharmaceuticals corporation lauren. Mike lauren have you ever visited the metaverse. Yeah i think so. I think there was this time. When i was meeting with microsoft executive in a hollow lens to headset and then i had to switch between that and the hp reverb g to vr headset which was connected to some giant high-powered pc. And like i walked into my kitchen counter. And i was like i think i just hit. The metaverse is that that sounds right. Yeah that sounds good to me. i'll take it. yes hi everyone. Welcome to gadget lab. I am michael. Lauria senior editor wired. And i'm laurin. good. I'm a senior writer at wired. We are also joined. Today by wired writer peter rubin. Hello peter welcome back to the show. Hey hey guys. It is great to be here again. Peter we have you on because yes we are talking about the metaverse and we are talking about. Vr and you've written a book about vr. It's called future presence. How virtual reality is changing human connection intimacy and the limits of ordinary life. How did i do. That's the full title. You did great. And it's out in paperback now too. And then there are there additions of it all over the world so even if you're listening to this in korea or anywhere else you can. You can get a copy. That doesn't sound very high tech paperback. What's that i know there's audio and there's there's an e book to here used to be an editor wired but even though he has moved on from our virtual four walls is still a regular contributor to wired and a regular guest here on the show. So it's good to have you man. Oh man it's so great to be back i was. I was just telling you before we started rolling. I miss our knees bumping together under the table in a too small studio that we used to record this and sharing our lung juice. And as lauren as as lauren put it or lungs which give alan henry credit for that for meyer from our wired team. He's the one who i said lunges at one point and now i just cannot get it out of my mind even if that had been coined in twenty nine thousand nine hundred it would have been gross but now it's just too. It's almost too much to take doubly gross. Well we could be recording this In person but instead we are recording. Virtually we're all in our own spaces right now which is sort of fitting for today because we are talking about virtual reality in the workplace. It sounds really boring but stay with me here a few days ago facebook showed off a new beta. Vr experience called horizon workrooms. It's a combination of virtual and augmented reality technology. That lets you interact with both the real world and a simulated environment at the same time. It sounds cool but it's for meetings so it's sort of like ready player one. If ready player one took place entirely in an office conference room with power points in whiteboards but facebook's new vr experiences exciting because it melts the real world with the virtual world in new and interesting ways. It's an idea that hints at new types of human computer interaction that proponents have dubbed the metaverse and later on on the show. We're going to get back to the metaverse and we're gonna talk about exactly what that means. And why. There's so much hype. Attach that word but before we get meta. I think we need to hear all about facebook's demo so peter you jacked into soccer verse tell us about it. I did which sounds a lot more legally actionable than it is thankfully. And i'm sure william gibson with thank you. I i like how the phrase just it became obsolete so long ago but we can't stop ourselves from using it. Yes i jacked in last week and what that involves it. This only runs on the quest to headset. Which of course is the most recent all in one headset. that oculus facebook Happened selling so the the first order. Business is Like like the original question to let you sort of define a place bass wherever you are using the hand controllers but instead of like drying out a space on the floor it asks you to trace the outline of your desk the front edge of your desk so it gets a sense of the width of your desk It asks you to clear most things away from your desk and then to sort of put your laptop open in front of you. And then if you're using either a mac book pro or the trackable logitech keyboard That became available earlier this year. It will actually show you a virtual sort of similac rim of the keyboard so you can reach out in touch type if you want to So you're looking down your at the sort of vr version of a desk and you see the pairs with your laptop so you see the screen of your actual computer superimposed on your virtual environment nice and big as big as you want it and it's super readable because the display on the quest to was is ridiculously good especially compared to kind of earlier generations of the are. And so if you have one of these trackable keyboards you see it and when you reach out the other thing i should point out is the question the quest to work not just with hand controllers but with hand tracking so the sensors. That are on. The outside of the headset can actually see your hands in space. Really good sort of detail of each individual finger and you can use of general Controls in space to select things in the usual sort of you. I of of the quest ecosystem so instead of us having control in your hands as you traditionally would in. Vr you can just reach out. It sees your hands and when they get an range of of the trackable keyboard. That's when the sort of overlay comes into place. So what you end up seeing is kind of a ghostly grave version of your real hands the pass through cameras kick on and you see them hovering over this sort of virtual superimposed keyboard and so allows you to touch type in vr. While still seeing your keyboard of course because you have the your computer screen in there with you you can kind of work as you normally might now i was using mac book air and so it was like millimeters off and so there were there ways that i had to kind of rely on muscle memory instead of taking the the the tracking for granted. But it did really well. So that's the that's the kind of home office setup of of of horizons workrooms. And then you go into a meeting room. And that's when the kind of collaboration the real fun quote the gins and what was it like interacting with other people in this space since you took the briefing with other journalists and i think with mark zuckerberg himself right. It was a room. It was a room full of people. And it felt very much like a roomful people. There are probably six or seven. Journalists there. andrew bosworth who's the vp of facebook rowdy. Labs was there. Mark zuckerberg started on a video screen as though he was on because he was a video call and then he put on a headset and so he came in as his avatar. He was there and there are some other folks there as well. Now the difference. I saw this when the news came out. Because of course i did people were like. Why would you want this. We already have zoom. And i made this point. I made this point years ago in the book might mentioned future presence. Now the thing that we're so used zoom meetings at this point. But if i want to look as though i'm looking at you i look into a camera and if i want to look at your faces in front of me on the computer screen you're going to look at it as my eyes are looking down unless you have a camera that is kind of hung down into the middle of your monitor. You're never going to make any sort of simulation i contact. So yeah we're sort of here but we're never looking directly at each other not once it's impossible to do we can't make contact on zoom call. That is the one of the major things. That that vr overcomes. When you're in there and you make contact with somebody you really making our contact with somebody. And of course like the fidelity of the of the hand tracking means that all of our mannerisms come into play as well so you see someone's head moving around their avatars had moving around as it doesn't real life and you see their hands moving around just like they do in real life. It's because that they are happening in real life. But they're translating into vr which makes their avatar feel incredibly incredibly real like fidelity of their facial expression aside leaking abstract out the way people look we can recognize them as long as they have kind of students. Shame sort of features. But if you hear someone's voice and they're very personal idiosyncratic movements are coming through as well andrew. Making eye contact it. Is your branch hunting leaps past the fact that you're talking to cartoon versions of each other and you're like the. The conversations dynamics are one hundred percent as though you're actually in a room with that person this is something that you've referred to like in your story that you wrote for wired about this experience and previously as social presence is that it is so so presence by itself is sort of Which short co presents as the absolute bedrock foundation of a realistic. Vr experience when your brain accepts all the stimuli that you're getting and your reactions kind of follow from that So as long as your your fool enough by the fidelity of whether it's just the visuals or the way things sound of the way people appear to move you are your. Your body begins to respond. As though you're actually there so social presences just do your movements and mannerisms come across in such a way to give a person a sense of presence. Not just being in the the world of vr but of being there with the other person and in your most recent dispatch from this facebook beta at presentation. You wrote that. It's not exactly creepy. But it's also not not creepy. Explain it so. It's very creepy when something goes wrong right. Because that's the whole thing and in a multi user environment that layers and so many other things the way horizon workrooms does. And if you think about it there's the sort of ar thing of being able to see pass through cameras on your hands with. You're taking notes at this meeting. You've got your laptop paired and so does everybody else in the meeting. You've got spatial audio for all the people in the meeting you've got the environment itself. And then you've got these other sort of capabilities like you can use a hand controller. Turn it upside down and hold it like a pen and doodle on your desk and what you are. Doodling will show up on the whiteboard in the meeting room so there sound there's visual there's all these paired devices there's a pass through is a huge pipeline of information that every quest has to sort of process and come together all which is to say social presences kind of balancing on a knife edge right if one thing goes wrong and in this case that one thing was when my bird came into the room. His mouth wasn't moving when he was talking. Which vaulted you so it. Far into the depths of the uncanny valley it was. It was just like his avatar. Has it's like being on blinking. Blue is right and a haircut just like his and so he. It already feels like you're already doing with the fact that it's sort of cartoonish version of this. This person whose image you have seen almost day after day in the news for years so not only is it a cartoonish version of that but then something goes wrong and his mouth isn't moving. Emmy lops moving in his head is moving and you're hearing him. it's it. It was like i think in the piece i said it was like hummel figurine was trying to explain the metaverse to you it. It really doesn't take much to go from feeling like you're there to feeling like you're there also being really sort of repulsed by what you're saying. That's the body's response studies avatars right. They like the upside. They can offer us a means of endless personal expression. And i think that the idea of this metaverse. We're going to talk about more. Is that there. Are these infinite spaces in which app developers can build apps right. It's like this endless creative space but facebook has also been pitching this whole idea as the quote unquote infinite office which honestly makes a lot of people skin crawl including my own. So what does facebook mean by this and does anyone want an infinite office space. Yeah so there. I think there's two ways to hear that phrase right one is least stage capitalist dystopia of no matter where you go your office follows you and i think the way they are thinking of it as i'm gonna be a maybe overly generous right now. Let me just preface. What i'm about to say and this also to that we also are kind of living in an office space right like evident office hundred percent like and that's the other thing too is the things. There's the sort of knee response to everything that facebook announced. Vr with no. Thanks uncle mark or you know and like we have like you are being surveilled. All the time and your fears about a facebook account being types of this or that is is it feels like you're just choosing one hill of many to die on here which which feels a little disingenuous but infinite office. I think in their view is leveraging this combination of a are vr. To be able to work anywhere you choose to. It's not work following you. it's not. I think there's a more maybe valid concern about if we're working more in vr than this sort of attentional and psychological profiling of our time spent in there is more invasive but the infinite office i think in their view is very much. I don't need to bring a desk desk somewhere to feel like i am at a desk. I can kind of either. I can sit down at a coffee shop. And laura you wrote about it when When when facebook rowdy labs unveiled a lot of their sort of a our roadmap the using the electrical impulses from From your forearm to be able to kind of type in control using micro movements space so this idea if you want to extrapolate what we saw with horizon workrooms being able to set up in imaginary keyboard anywhere. Have a monitor. Maybe pair to your phone if not your laptop appearance space. You laptop can stain your bag. You can be sitting at an empty table and you can kind of get whatever worked on that. You want to and jump into a meeting space with other people. And it's basically the infinite office the only tether as long as you've got a data connection you should be able to simulate all the forces of what you've come to think of as your decentralize remote work-life real quick before we take a break you mentioned briefly that People might feel uncomfortable having their facebook identity connected to a virtual meeting where they're sharing all kinds of sensitive information They may not want facebook to know about so. Has the company put in any controls to protect us. Privacy and data in horizon workrooms. The not in a way that i think has been fully vetted yet right so they have a terms of service and they have agreements. And it's like they're. They're very very clear. That when you pair your laptop to your headset everything stays local of the processing. Goes anywhere between your headset and your laptop. Nothing gets shared that nothing that happens in a meeting or when you're using. The app is given to anyone from a definitely not third party developers. The information is made available to anybody. I think whatever facebook does get for processing purposes is anonymous is so they they do a lot in the t. o. S. to assure you that the security or at least privacy is a concern. Now that's kind of one part of it but the other part is a lot of people work for companies where you're on a proxy connection all day long right a lot of companies especially ones that are used to working in a distributed fashion and work with sensitive data. Have all these things in place. That i can't imagine would would play nicely with the need to pair your computer. Bring it into a virtual share virtual space and then kind of jump into Jump into a meeting with with other people. Your facebook logging. That said a lot of these same secure companies are still using zoom. Still using google means so it stands to reason that there will be a way to make that work. But i think at least in this betas day facebook is just trying to convince people if not if not possible business clients or business users that they're they're not here to hoover any data. They're just here to like let you collaborate in virtual space all. Well thanks for that We're gonna take a break right now and when we come back we will step into the metaverse imagine being able to detangle dry and style with just one tool the infiniti pro by connor with the not dr all in one dryer brushes. Do it all to make back to school. Beauty quick and easy ideal for all hair types. This moving brush is perfect for smoothing adding shine while the large oval dryer brush creeds glam waves for a salon blow out at home go to connor dot com to explore the not doctor dryer brush collection. Now welcome back so facebook's horizon workrooms is part of a broader pitch around a word. You've probably heard a lot lately the metaverse. It's not a new term but recently a combination of widely available technologies like movement tracking sensors and vr. Headsets and compute power. that can handle all. These heavy apps have pushed the notion of the metaverse into the forefront and of course a lot of technologists or sharing their visions for what the metaverse will be partly because they want to capitalize on it. So peter. i'm gonna to put the question to you. What the hell is a metaverse. I'm amazed i didn't hear this from you. Guys at the top of the show but the only correct answer to that question is i never met a verse. I didn't like i am here all week. I appreciate the peter appreciate it. That's what i'm here for. Also worried about puns at wired. So that's not it's not exactly off brand so you know what's interesting about this is people have been talking about the metaverse since the sort of rebirth of vr. But it didn't become this kind of gross feeling buzzword until mark zuckerberg started giving interviews talking about it. And i think rightly you had people who've been working ar and vr being like Why now like why. Now the drumbeat loud and why now did it become This sort of short term. I mean the so. The idea of the members really kind of goes back to snow crash. and a lot of people like two point two two ready player one to. It's really just this idea of a universe of realities right like it is It is a way to go from real world to virtual to a are any anywhere on the continuum and permutation of those three things together. But what's important about the metaverse that seems to be at odds with the way mark zuckerberg is talking about it is the metaverse by nature. Can't be walt bright. It has to be built on an open framework otherwise like the true metaverse would say you should be able to jump from a meeting in say horizon workrooms to something that hosted on another platform right whether it's vr chat or rec room. Or what have you. But because of the way the corporate world works everyone wants their packet meta verses to borrow a term From from fiction and from comic books so so this is the problem is if you're going to have walls around it it's not a metaverse and metaverse has to be basically like an internet of reality but as we've seen with the internet from fifteen years ago till now it's been kind of irredeemably and fundamentally changed by the need to monetize the thing that you built the use it so a few years ago in wired. I made this very point like if if you wanna metaverse You have to drop these walls in like just. Facebook is in this amazing situation of having the limitless resources to throw at it which they are because they know what the upside is. They're they're making everything a viable product before anybody else can. Their research is way ahead of what anybody else can do. Because of who they've been able to hire and how much time and money they've been able to put into it so on one hand amazing that they are product -tising and concretizing. The promise of the aren't ways people haven't been able to but on the other side are building the metaverse y'all building facebook to point out so i just i take issue with that. Were being used so loosely and with everybody now everybody and their board of directors going calling it a metaverse inverse should be as sort of utopian and borderless as the internet was so just be clear. The metaverse is not new infrastructure. Right it's not new networking. It's a layer that exists over our existing internet infrastructure. I think our existing internet structure is the foundation upon which is bill. And this is where like. I run into a wall because there may be sort of practical components to this phrase that i'm i'm not deeply verse enough in but i mean you have people like phil. Philip rosedale who co-founded second life and founded high after that which year or two ago pivoted to become sort of enterprise only but has had been beating the drum to make this an open framework. There've been a lot of people in the aaron. Vr world who've been beating the drums to make this an open framework and so it's essentially I'm going off an imperfect memory here but there have definitely been supposedly like conferences devoted to this idea that if if the meta versus going to exist it has to exist open and i think you know we've seen this pattern before right because when the social web i launched you know fifteen years ago it was it was all based on like xml data streams in anybody can code against any data stream coming from any social network and then what happened is all the companies that while i mean. It was very complicated. What happened but one of the big things. That happened is a lot of the companies building. Those open tools just got purchased by google or facebook and then got subsumed and their technology got used for proprietary platforms. Yeah that's exactly right. It's like it's it's oligopolistic. Got ballistic approach to the metaverse. That i don't think anybody but the allegations that are dealing with it. Yeah and you can't have a true interoperability if you're talking about like one company making the hardware and building the app store in an essay for wired a few years ago. This was right when ready player. One the movie was coming out. And the metaverse in there is an acronym called the oasis. And the point that i was making is everybody wants to know us but all we have now are a series of puddles and of course turned puddle into a tortured acronym just like oasis was so this idea that we have all these kind of smaller shallower versions of this rich deep ideal that we've been dreaming about for thirty. Plus years but in in practice is falling prey to exactly what what you're saying like and when i hear you describing here is This sort of threat of a closed universe when something is actually supposed to be quite open inclusive and that makes me wonder about the cultural impact of this too. Because when i think about some of the names we've just mentioned in this conversation. I mean neil stevenson right ernest klein who wrote ready player. One philip rosedale who founded second life mark zuckerberg andrew vase worth John hanky from niantic has waiting on this. Two of the most prominent analysts who have written about the metaverse are matthew ball and ben thompson. now i'm gonna assume our listeners are pretty smart here. And i don't have all of these things are exactly right. I'm gonna but i'll draw the line for you in case you haven't picked up on this. It's all men. So what does it say. From like a hegemonic perspective that the people who are at the forefront of imagining the metaverse and analyzing it and are seemingly vocal about it our men and by the way there are a lot of brilliant women and non binary inventors vr developers out there who. I've also had the pleasure of speaking for my job. But it just seems like there's a certain group that's really dominating the conversation about the metaverse right now and. I wonder what that implies for. How inclusive this new layer of the internet will actually be one of the things that made me so hopeful. When i wrote the book future presence in this is kind of three years ago. It was before the rift to come out was there was a chance to build this thing without falling victim to the thing that had doomed. The internet which was everybody who became an architect was coming from Was coming from a standpoint. That didn't necessitate that they consider the needs of others. Let's say let's say that way What you're saying is kind of this sort of hegemonic potential of this thing and we saw that in the way networks grew involved. we saw that In the problems that became intractable issues. That played these social media social networks and the hope was that as these first social worlds were beginning to be built in. Vr people had seen this movie before and they didn't want to play up the same way and so there was a lot of thought given to user safety in a lot of that given to sort of inclusion but fast forward that even in these smaller social worlds let alone the massive companies and the the sort of thinkers pundits who are furthering a lot of this conversation. Mention matthew ball Who's a vc also. Thinks really deeply about this stuff or science fiction writers that they are sharing an unfortunate degree of of sort of monolithic At least demographic identity right and that's that's not to say that they're not a empathetic people and that is not to say that they don't that they don't want vr to solve the problems of the internet or build itself without the problems that crept into the internet but sometimes the food tastes. The way does because of the cook right. It is that way and so there have like you said there's always been women and folks color in aaron. vr space who had been building and creating and And advocating for those considerations and a lot of them are working at the companies that we're talking about two which is also helpful but where that kind of it where it comes down to is. Who's on camera talking about this. Who are the voices who are being quoted in the pieces about this who are the executives that are making the presentations to other executives about this. That's where the son kinda rubber meets. The road is like we're talking about We're talking about something. That has the potential to be so much more than it sounding like because it doesn't have a need to sound any different than it. Did the first time around right. Well peter thank you for that delightful and informative conversation. I'm not saying this to make you feel good. But like i completely understand what metaverse is now and what the stakes are. I'm glad you do. Because i don't think i do. But it was great to be here and take us down. Thank you for taking this averse with us. Peter that from your your story. I cannot take credit for that. I'm sorry about that. We're going to break and when we come back we'll go through our recommendations this episode is brought to you by the hartford we go beyond the insurance policies. We right to help people when it matters most with insurance from the hartford the bucks got your back. Visit the hartford dot com slash. Got your back today to see how achievement more than having a dream it takes having the spirit to beat the odds. It takes the courage to pursue a passion the heart deter house into a hole and the determination to turn an idea into an enterprise. I'm the hartford bar. And i see the humor in human achievement with insurance from the hartford. The bucks got your back. The hartford at the hartford financial services group inc and its property and casualty subsidiaries including issuing company hartford fire insurance company. Its headquarters is in hartford connecticut. Welcome back this is the final part of our show where we all recommend things that our listeners might enjoy and peter. You've done this before. What is your recommendation. So my recommendation is as for television. Show it's made by effects though i think it is exclusively on hulu. It's called reservation dogs. it's some. I think there's a real propensity these days to describe a show like oh it's like atlanta but ex like years ago there was this there was this trend in every movie would get pitched it was speed but ex ever since donald government atlanta's be become like really handy measuring tool so like dave came out people were like. Oh it's like white atlanta. I think people with with a reservation dogs which falls a group of teen of native teens on reservation in oklahoma. I think there is. I would be surprised if people aren't saying oh it's like a native atlanta not the case at all so it's made by A writer director named sterling harjo. And it's it's almost an entirely new cast writing team directors. All that it's it's really really good. It's funny and it's touching and and it's also the second the second comedy to come out in the past year. That is sort of about and starring kind of native life. The i was rutherford falls which was exclusive to peacock on it was like an nbc show that ended up on peacock. I watched it. And i didn't really connect with Reservation dogs really has like the pilot is a little uneven but from episode two. I'm just like it's the show that i look forward to most by far each week in and watch tv. That's great so so that's reservation dogs on fx on lou. Nice pilots are always a little bit uneven. Feel like you gotta get to episode four before you really feel what the show is actually like. But i don't like asking people to like okay but you gotta sit through three and a half hours and then it really picks up none. Watch the first half hour. It's good it's just like the show hits another level from from that point. It's not like anybody's going anywhere. I mean come on. Yeah but if you tell me is going to take me. You know two movies worth of met enjoyment before i get to pay off. Then i'm out see ibn. I'd be like ooh really to slow ver okay lauren. What is your recommendation. My recommendation is very golob for those of you who have listened to prior episodes of gadget lab. You know that when golota eshelman joins us on the show he usually like has a big lead up to his recommendation. And he's like this is going to change your life. And then all of a sudden he recommends like sliced lemons or on buttoning the top of your shirt My recommendation is sticky. I stations are great. I've taken to this summer. I stayed right here in the great state of california which yes is still a great state. Despite art insane gubernatorial recall election. That shouldn't be happening and the wildfire smoke And yes we have problems here. But i had a wonderful time just staying nearby the summer and you know exploring like local vacation spots and and Just i don't know staying close to home and just feeling like there's something really nice about a not totally. Disrupting your your flow. Kind of like what you do in your every day or like changing your time zone or having to go to the airport and things like that And having to like pack a bunch of stuff like there's something really nice about just appreciating what you have nearby and getting to do the things that you always say. You wish you could do if you just had a little bit of time off from work or family obligations and so highly recommend just enjoying the station as much as you can big station fan. What what are you guys. Philosophy on staycationing. Because like i just use mine to catch up on chores mike. I'm like oh my head. Three days off. I could bring so much crap that goodwill right now i mean wondering -cation it's it's good to like get a bunch of stuff too. I took a two and a half months. -cation that i'm fresh off so i'm a. I'm a big believer right. Like i tried to keep the shape of my day the same but like walks and and and changing things up. I will say that was a lot better than garage. Last recommendation which was cargo pants so highly. highly support. This i think you have it. A-rated and improved upon the who've been raymond but you can use your station to take your cargo pants to goodwill if you're over that ooh she tied it all. The game is done special mike. I highly recommend the next time you take a station. I would say at the max. Two days should be spent on getting stuff done around the house or in your local neighborhood and cleaning and picking up prescriptions. All those things you have to do and then really you should at least get two or three days quick equivalent or more of of just checking out hiking spot or a picnic spot or a lake or a beach or something that we have access to here and you haven't been to explore the pasta. Yes yeah do. A little do a little silent meditation. Yeah why not. All right mike. What's your recommendation. Well i would like to recommend peter rubens. Newsletter retired altogether. Is the podcast episode. So peter ribbons started newsletter. Not too long ago. That's currently on substation. It's called the peter principle and i love the premise of this. Because you talk about other peter's in your life right so give us give us some examples of the other peters who talked about on in the in the newsletter i. they're not in my life directly but these are all peters who are kind of intimately connected to kind of an obsession or pattern in my life so Past ones. I've done peter mayhew who played baca which was just sort of a way to talk about star wars and storytelling and wyatt blue. Any kids minds when the movies came out. Peter tosh who is favourite reggae artist. I think of mine. Nearest both mike and then like they're also really contorted back doors just to be able to talk about things. I i love so One of them choose. peter hickok. Who was. I believe. A costume. Designer on the netflix comedy. Show sketch show. I think you should leave. The only peter involved with the production at all and that just took an imdb. Because i refuse to accept that. I wouldn't be able to write about that show right so i love this like you. Use these peter's into your own life experience and three touching And it's it's fun because it also exposes you to two things that you normally would not have heard of like. If you're not a big fan you would know about peter tosh necessarily if you're not a fan of excellent sketch comedy on netflix. He probably wouldn't know about. I think you should leave. So it's kind of a nice way to learn about things. I think So and brought to you first of all but also you know listeners. You should subscribe to it because it is a delightful newsletter and newsletters in the new blogs and we love newsletters so we like to tell people to subscribe to them because the good ones are free yours is free it is free and it will forever remain free love that but that doesn't mean the paying for good stories as bad by the way you should like. Subscribe to wired. If your office. But i do i do an i rave wide i still subscribe and you should also give money to all those hardworking Out there who are charging money for their newsletters but also you should subscribe to the free ones too. Because why not yeah. Do you have to lose. Yeah just do it on principle. Hey hey now. So it's peter principle dot sub stack dot com. There's no the peter. Principle dot dot com. Check it out. Glad you looked at it up. Because i would have gotten it wrong. I'm a professional man. Well thank you. Peter rubin for joining us this week. The book is called future presence. It is out in paperback now in your local language. Thanks for being on the show thanks. It was great to see you guys. I had no idea. Was we gonna be going to become a she'll our for projects. But i am not not mad about it. Peter and thank you for listening. If you have feedback you can find all of us on twitter. Just check the show notes. This show is produced by boone. Ashworth goodbye and we will be back next week. This episode is brought to you by hp plus in a world full of smart devices. Shouldn't your printer be smart to it is with hp plus these printers. No when they're running low so you always get the inky meat delivered right when you needed. Plus you save up to fifty percent on inc so you can print whatever you want as much as you want anytime you want. That is pretty smart. 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Inside Black Twitter

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Inside Black Twitter

"The best way to discover new quality apps and get all the tools you need to be successful and productive is set up a subscription for mac and iphone apps head over to set up dot com to try free for a week. Lauren mike lauren. How much time do you spend on twitter. Every day I just go on to promote our work at wired dot com. I'm on a lot. Probably more than i should be. And i've tried taking breaks. And i generally do find that i feel better when i'm off of twitter but i also feel like i'm not as plugged into the news. How about you I had to set a timer. So that i was not spending any more than ten minutes a day on twitter because otherwise i would spend my entire life on twitter. What kind of communities are you into twitter. We're gonna talk about one of those communities today. Hi everyone welcome to gadget lab. I'm michael calorie a senior editor at wired and i'm laurin good. I'm a senior writer at wired. And today we are joined by wired. Senior writer jason parham. Hi jason thanks for having me of course. Welcome to the show cited to be here. If you've spent any time on twitter you have seen the memes. The jokes the movements and ideas from black twitter. In fact there's no subsection of twitter that has been as influential or impactful on society as black twitter conversations on black twitter have catalyzed culture and led to important shifts like oscarssowhite the metoo movement and of course black lives matter jason parham. Our guest today has just written a three part oral history of black twitter for wired it charts the evolution of black twitter from a kind of casual gathering space to a force for genuine social change. We published it online in weekly installments. Part three just went live this week and people can read the whole oral history right now on. Why dot com. It is also the cover story of the september issue of wired magazine In your story you call black twitter. The incubator of nearly every meam and social justice cosworth knowing about it is both news and analysis call and response judge and jury a comedy showcase therapy session and a family. Cookout all in one. I love that I wanna start just with a broad question. Why did you want to construct this timeline of black twitter from when it first started to the present day right. I think there are a few things. It was sort of a medium circumstances but one sort of the the primary sort of let dry for me was that it was really important that we have more records of black history and black some black creativity that are being created on the internet. We need more official documents and records of them right. So something i learned in my reporting for my cover story last year about a digital black face and tick talk and how white creators were exploiting black culture and how black culture was being erased or taken advantage of people were sort of sucking the culture in the life from black culture. I one thing i noticed was that you know. We weren't taking ownership in the way that we should take ownership these things. And so i wanted to with black twitter with up distance depth now from its. It's beginning to sort of where it is now. I thought we could sort of take sort of scope. Look at it on the sort of dive into it and sort of have this document. I think halfway through also kind of realize that in official oral history of black tudor didn't exist in the world and so that was the other part of it is like well if it doesn't exist it just needs to exist and it needs to in wired so let's just do it and when we go through these processes of pitching stories to our editors at wired our on my case pitching stories to mike here. We explore different formats in ways of approaching big stories like these. How did you ultimately decide to go with an oral history. Talk about that process. So we kind of wanted to time it to the founding of twitter which was july fifteenth And so it was a good newspaper force. But i didn't think you know. Blacks swears it's multi versus this giant ecosystem of people identities and and just all sort of sorts of culture. It's not monolithic. Sort of landscape. And i think it would have been to like herculaneum task for me to write a sort of feature on it right. I don't think that could have given its full scope. Because black twitter's made up of. So many voices is sort of this rich plurality of people and ideas and things that i think an oral history lint itself to this sort of framework of what black twitter was i think it was really the best way to capture the essence of black twitter now pre twitter so like pre two thousand six two thousand seven. There were very few online spaces for black voices There were some platforms. But what was the community like online before that. I mean it was tough right. Select the mid nineties. You have stuff like the war online. You had melania on these sort of like upstart black communities online that i mean people were investing but that kind of flared out after few years and then along comes something. My twitter which i think is extremely important because it kind of gets at. What black folks do really well. Which one of the people. I spoke with or history. Professor andrzej brock but black hopes do something will which is like signifying right. So let me love conversation. We love these spaces where we can combine and congregate and so twitter was a sort of best application of that. I think in a way that facebook couldn't do in the way that my space didn't do and even in the way that we love black planet but even black planet replicate that sort of conversation real time feel. So how does the name or phrase black twitter even come to be. This is kind of a two part question to you. Because i'm wondering if that sort of helped create or facilitate a deeper sense of community among the black community Or whether that also a sense of you know other ism or even allow brands or social media to co opt the phrase for their own purposes and like even use it wrong like basically. What was the origin story of the creation of that phrase and how has it been used effectively but also misused. The origin of it comes. It was sort of. I think it was slade. Or the all published a story in two thousand nine late night black people talking on twitter. Something like that And it was sort of this. What what are the black folks over here doing right. And there are a lot of people on black folks on the platform. That kind of really rejected the idea that you know. It's not called black twitter. I follow black folks on twitter. It's just called twitter for me right. So this is something coming up in conversations with people. I spoke with right like we didn't. They didn't call it black twitter. It was everybody that was outside of black twitter calling it black twitter and said what what's going on over there but i think over time vincent people embrace the name especially around twenty thirteen two thousand fourteen when the platform. There's like shit a small ship in the platform on what it's being used for. But i mean as with all things that you know. Black folks are online and the idea of blackness and black culture at eventually sort of gift. Just co-option becomes this other thing but i think black folks eventually over time. They embraced it and just kind of ran with it. And we'll talk about that shift in a minute because that's that's really interesting One of the people you talk to in your story talks about the early days of black twitter and just being like a hang right. It was a porch space. It was a place that you just went to like talk about jokes and maybe talk about celebrity news or something But it wasn't like they weren't the center of the conversation and then at some point it switch from a porch to a stage like you didn't just go there and hang out with your friends. You went there to be heard. You went through to say something that that you and you knew that it would be amplified. Yeah i think eventually a lot of people early on singer reminded them college and reminded them of a quad space right. Select an early days of twitter early so black twitter which two thousand eighteen thousand nine two thousand ten maybe up to two thousand thousand twelve. You have this. Very specific millennial set of people who are maybe ending highest score in in the early days of college and they had all this time on their hands. Outside of you know going in class in shooting the ship yard or whatever and they were coming to twitter because they just wanted to talk and talk about their day and just tell people what's going on in their lives. I think it was really fascinating a lot more conversational back than a loud people kind of described as the wild wild west where you know now have cancelled culture and somebody says something and somebody gets kicked off the platform for certain or whatever but back in the day it was kinda like i can say whatever because i'm just having fun with my friends. And they understand my point of views and i think over time it becomes. I think it's really interesting that you say that goes from the port space to like a platform to a stage. Because i think that's partly just the the sort of rhythms of where the internet was going right in terms of like. Now we have influencers now. We have youtube with have people using the space to perform signifying away. That they had it before. Which i think is really interesting. And it's kind of feeding into what's happening on the larger social internet right And so i think up until twenty fourteen. It was kinda like a very communal insular space. And then once ferguson happens once trayvon martin happens. Told you this lights which goes off in a kind of veers course little bit so the events of two thousand fourteen are something that we're going to get deeper into on the second half of the show so let's take a break right now and then we'll come back and we'll talk about that. Said app is on a mission to help users get more done with setup. There's no more worrying about having to search for apps to solve a problem because with setup you get high quality apps for every task. We've set up a single subscription. Lets you access. More than two hundred mac and iphone apps for a fixed monthly fee head over to set up dot com to try. Set up free for a week. Welcome back we've talked already about some of the on line cultural shifts that have come out of black twitter but even more important is how that energy ended up manifesting in the real world jason. When did people start to get the sense that what was happening on twitter could lead to action offline. Yes i think it started really happening with the killing of trayvon martin in twenty twelve right on one of the people i spoke with for the oral history. Got us for who was big on black twitter. Back lindane who now ask you works at twitter. He sort of hustled into an actual a real job at twitter which is cool. I'm she was a mother. He says you know she was telling me. The sues really fascinating story. She was a new mother at the time. She's living in new york shit to pick up her daughter at daycare by six thirty. So she's you know rushing down the highway to get there but on every time you know. She was one of her daughter. She listened to the radio and she would always listen to the michael based and show mrs. february twenty twelve. I'm she happened to be listening one day and a mother called in sabrina fulton talking about her son. She was trying to get no attention about her son. Had just been killed by this guy. Florida and nobody was you. No police attention. There was on national news attention around it and you know a black kid. Getting killed is not news happens literally all the time in america. This is just sort of the america we live in and the reality we live with but it was something about this moment. That catalyze twitter in a way. That hadn't happened before right. And so god it's no she. She hears the boy's name she's like you know she can't find any news about it so she looks it up. She was it and all. The news is on black twitter. Everybody's talking about this kid. Trayvon martin has been shot down in sanford florida and she was twitter. Blacks was sort of the first place to amplify what was happening. Trayvon martin and all the tension around on his killing. I think it's really transformational in a way. Because it's the first instance of sort of now what we consider hashtag activism right. So the killing trayvon martin is when we first see the hashtag black lives matter appear on facebook and then it shifts over to twitter where it becomes a sort of fuel to push the movement forward in. What's interesting is that that did affect how mainstream media started covering these kinds of events. Right one of the people you speak to you. i'm tracy clinton who's the podcast host of strong black legends said. I knew that i couldn't trust white. Media for shit the importance of people at the protests being able to capture footage documentary was going on. It's priceless priceless. Because the media has such an influence over how people think and how people feel and how people see black people and at that point. I think in the oral history. Clayton is talking about ferguson. But what you're describing right the hashtag people live streaming and sharing photos and videos on twitter. I mean that really affected. I think the relationship between twitter or online media. And more of like what. We'd consider mainstream right. Tracy hit it right on the head right so we have seen this in the news before plenty of times with katrina when they said we were looting and so i think this was an instance where the news we can make the news for ourselves. There was this sort of forest and bias ethic right. It's like we're down on the ground. We're reporting we can get to the news to our people. In a way that we know is true and honest there's emotion behind it there's heart behind it but this is what we're seeing and this is true and twitter was the perfect platform for that at the time right and so the summer of twenty fourteen. We fast forward a year a little bit right. We have eric garner. Who was killed in new york with. I can't breathe know. Get the hashtag. I can't breathe and then a month later. We have michael brown. Which is the huge galvanizing moment in ferguson. That really really shifts twitter to the sort of social justice platform that people. Now use it for you know one of the things that Really mobilize people behind. The killing of michael brown in ferguson was visual evidence. Right like twitter was is and was a real time platform. Where you know. Most people now have the algorithm view. That just shows you things that are coming in from From anywhere that have engagement that maybe a couple of hours old but at the time you know most people were looking at twitter and they were seeing the most recent tweet and you had first person eyewitness accounts from some of michael brown's friends and neighbors you know there was visual evidence and they were all posting visual evidence to twitter. And that was something that really Really kind of mobilize people. Yes so one of the early all the early early early sort of evidence in tweets were from his neighbors from the community in ferguson. Right sarah jackson. One of the people i spoke with. Who's the co author pack activism. She was saying how the very first image that sort of cross people's timelines was taken by neighbor of michael brown and it was saying. Hey somebody's been shot out my window. He's on the street and something that you know things are happening. People need to pay attention to this and because of the sort of nature of black twitter where people such riff on things that people have tweeted. It starts you know. The tweet sort of disseminates from there and gets out to the larger community and people are genetic l z. Who doesn't let exactly in in ferguson. But you know. She's one of the huge ferguson activists. You know somebody. Deemed tear was like neta. Hey you know. There's something happening in my community. I think you need to see this. And it's something she said to netted at talked for a long time. She's great She summoned she sets me. She was you know we were all just community members. We are houses but we were angry. We were upset and we went out on the street and we just wanted to document what was happening to us. Right as invest the real power of twitter and black towards like it gives people a platform to get their voice out there in a way that all these other social platforms weren't doing another woman you interviewed for the oral history. Silvio bell pointed out that black lives matter was the first civil rights movement named after a hashtag as twitter has become so much more influential or even consequential in the face of these incredibly violent acts against the black community. How has that hashtag helped capture or define the ideology of this moment in time. i think it's really hashtags. Have been super super transformational. In the way that we convene. In the way that we congregate in the way that we mobilize. i think. Maybe that's maybe one of twitter's biggest impacts across all of culture in general right we use hashtags now for everything but i think it was really central to the movement that was catalyzing twenty. Thirteen and twenty fourteen. Because as wesley lowery's kind of explained to me i was trying to make sense of it a little bit because you had all these different separated killings right. So you had with eric garner in the summer of fourteen which predated michael brown. You had the hashtag. I can't breathe and then with michael brown. You had hands up. Don't shoot right and then a little later. That february you had with sandra bland. Say her name but it was something about black lives matter that was this umbrella hashtags that sort of you know. It's sort of window to in everything that was happening with all these other separated killings because it was a larger critique of the system right now saying black lives matter it was a very radical. It's still is kind of a radical thing to say right And so i think black lab manner sort of this sort of encapsulated what was happening across the country and then what's happening still in a lot of ways because it was critiquing the larger system in a way that hadn't been before sometimes these hashtags are also co opted or promoted by the wrong people to write and you spoke with someone for the girl history april rain. Who said pointed out that hashtag me too was started by a black woman. Toronto burke and it was popularized by alyssa milano. The actress who quote unquote overstepped. She needed to be checked and black twitter. Did that so that was also a pretty huge hashtag right. but in that case Maybe was misappropriated. But i think it kind of speaks to kind of what happens to sort of blackness online. Or what black traders put into internet. You know what we put in not always what we get out right. And so i think the story of toronto birkin her sort of creating the me too movement and ashtec and then you know a white woman coming in and sort of getting all the credit for it is very sort of represent representative of you know what it means to be black online and sometimes even black in america where these things are taken from us but i think again with twitter. It's like now. Twitter has the power to check. Write the checks and balances system right especially when you have black twitter behind you because as somebody else or history once blacks where he gets a hold of something harford to stop and so once blacks photos that he'll toronto burke created this. She's the woman behind the genius behind this. Like we need to say something right. And so i think that's also the power to mobilize and the power to just push against a system. That doesn't always have our best interests in mind is really important. And we'll continue seeing that happen Even more recently where people have like made a joke or posted a m- and its origins were in black twitter and people will jump on them and say you have to give credit where credit is due there right so i think. One of my favorite memes. That's come out of black twitter. Is this. It's this you where people sort of like checking other folks on and saying. Hey you know that we started this this ours It's tough. I mean it's it's in some ways. I'm glad that black twitter exists in the sort of entity that it does. Because i think without it it'd be harder to document all the things that we created online right and all the things that we continue to create right and soda. What one thing that andre brockwell saying. How like black twitter itself is kind of like a living archive right. It's constantly being updated is constantly growing right. It's sort of like a library of congress for black folks online and elaborate and so. I think that it's important to have it. But it's also important that it acts like a checks and balances system to that say. Hey we're very protective of our space and this is ours And it's important to have things like that. Because i think you know in the same way that i wanted to document this oral history and i thought it was important to have this official record of black twitter. Like it's it's the same sort of sense behind that in that like we need these things in these things are ours and we need people to know that we created these things. All right well you can read more about the history of black twitter in jason parham awesome oral history. Part three is up now. It's a three part series. You can read the whole thing on wired dot com. It is also on the cover of wired magazine in september with an amazing painting illustration beautiful beautiful cover so check it out. We're going to take a break right now and we'll come back. We will have our recommendations all right. Welcome back to the show jason parham. You are in the hot seat. What's your recommendation for our audience. So one show. I've been binging lately. That i just recently finished a came on cinemax in twenty nineteen as it was kind of a crime because nobody actually watches shows that come on mass but they have a lot of good content on but now because of the deal with. Hbo max cinemax shows hbo. Max with carl gino. And jean karl esposito's called jet. J. e. t. t. It's a crime. Drama crime thriller about a thief named daisy playback colleague. Regino and the crime boss jean carlos zito whose infamous from breaking bad as gus fring It's amazing there was only one season of it there. Nine episodes each episode is an hour shot beautifully with author. Jody turner smith all these amazing actors in it. Nobody's heard of this. I don't like. I don't remember people ever talking about this wish. Meaning it said. But i've been telling everybody to watch this show so watch this also Jean carlos zito was bugging out and yes yes yes yes iconic role his first one his earliest i kinda grow. He's been in everything. He's amazing. i gotta check that out. And so if they're only nine episodes do they manage to wrap it up nicely nine episodes or does it kind of like end at a cliffhanger and then you're waiting to see if it gets renewed for a second. I think they thought they would have a season two because of how it ends. But i don't think you'd be mad with ending. Like i think it does fill up a whole show but i kind of do on a season two. I don't know if it's going to happen. But i mean with streaming. These days does that somebody might pick it up but yeah maybe now that you've recommended on catch it lab. They might hear this and renew it. Also i think you're the first person to come on the show and make a cinemax recommendation. So no no. No we talked about the nick a lot back when that was back in. That was dying. That was the cinema- show was okay. Oh well i have two other cinemax. Nick was all time favorite top three show. I die for that show. That's one of the best shows i've ever seen in my life so good this other. Cinemax that a friend rec- recommended. I just started this week. Called warrior is a chinese western of that sort of chinese gangs in like eighteen. Sixty san francisco. It's really cool. Some of the coolest thing that ever seen. Yes and i just started. It's really fun. That's a fantastic show. And it's it's it's pulpy lauren. What's your recommendation. My recommendation is Podcast on a podcast going meta here. I recommend that folks check out the july twenty eighth episode of the daily. Which is the new york times. Daily news podcast. It's about the saga of congresses january. Sixth investigation dotes hosted by michael barbara. Of course and it features near times reporter. Luke broad water. Some of you may have seen earlier this week. The emotional testimonies from handful of officers who protected the capital on that day january six. They're really hard to watch. And listen to because the officers detail The amount of violence and aggression in in some cases racist slurs that they were confronted with by this angry mob In his podcast episode is really about you know kind of fast forwards now to how the house committee that's looking into this attack is not really the body that people wanted to look into it. But the whole event has just become so politicized with members of the gop being lockstep with donald trump or plotting for twenty twenty two that even though is generally recognized that he helped radicalize some of the insurrectionists who stormed the capital of that day there's a resistance to investigating it so it's a really interesting episode. One hundred percents worth listen. The daily never heard it that yeah. It's it's new york times daily news podcast so Actually i should say from interesting. Never heard of it. Thanks a recommendation. Mike what's your recommendation. So i'm going to recommend a movie that i heard about for the first time on on black twitter. It is a documentary. It's called the summer of soul. It is on hulu and it is a music documentary about the nineteen sixty nine harlem music festival. This is a music festival that has long been referred to as black woodstock. It's a little bit of a misnomer because it was actually multiple days over the summer of nineteen sixty nine but it was a big concert in the park in harlem. Everybody came out for it. Like sly and the family stone nina simone. You know the list of names of people who played it is just fantastic. And there are some great footage of like you know. Living legends like Mavis staples singing with mahalia jackson. There's a modern day Talking head footage of people who were there and people who are involved and just people who have like grown to love the music and our musicians now directed by quest love. Nice drummer from the roots. Now he's a film director he so wired event. Dj and has graced cover and the name of it of our conference rooms here. That's right we have conference room named after quest and his also you know he's on twitter a lot and there were a. There is a lot of discussion about this movie on on twitter. And i saw the trailer for the first time on twitter and it just like you know when i watched it. I was like watching it right as it dropped. It dropped a few weeks ago So i was like having discussions about it on twitter while it was watching it. It was it was a great experience anyway. Fantastic movie it's on hulu So if you have who. You may have seen ads for it and you may have been like miami. But that's not for me. Trust me it's for you. It's amazing. I don't think before with action it. I don't think i've ever seen a young stevie wonder play the drums. I was like blown away. It was like mind blowing. It's so good. that's actually. That's one of the things that happened on. Twitter is like people are like. Wow stevie can play the drums. I'm like pay hang on a second. Stevie can play the piano. You play the drums. He can play the bass he could play the harmonica. He can play any synthesizer made he can sing better than anybody. And he's blind can't see a thing. He produces his own records to can't stevie wonder do so man. So yeah you got to see it. It's fantastic. It sounds amazing watch. Tv rip all right. Well that's our show jason. Thank you for joining us as pleasure. Have you best time. Thank you guys so much. You can find jason's three part saga a people's history of black twitter on wired dot com. Look for the link in the show notes. Thanks to everybody for listening. If you have feedback you can find all of us on twitter. 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Chris Colfer and Ashley Fink

Couples Therapy

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Chris Colfer and Ashley Fink

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And we're in a real life couple a real life couple of comedians on couples therapy. We answer a couple of questions from a couple of different listeners. Here we are. it's a sunday afternoon steaming. Hot the cat is lying on the table. I'm not wearing any pants against nature against against all things holy. This is where we are right now. But i think we are in a moment now me. I will say this of joy. Mabel on friday had her final chemotherapy treatment. I know it was so funny. Because it was like so anti-climactic. I really wanted the gist balloons. I wanted horn. I wanted all of the staff at the hospital to just march or something. It said someone came out and just on their phone they played a sound effect of the price is right when you fuck up didn't happen. So that's why pigs. Thanks for underlining that that didn't happen anyway you guys. It is sunday thursday. I'm going to new york city my first time on a plane and almost a year and a half. Yeah i've been thank you so naomi if you didn't know this dear listeners. Naomi is taping a netflix special early august. And the first time. Because you're gonna fly and do some shows. I'm gonna come join you later with mabel with newly chemotherapy free mabel yes and yeah i haven't really thought about the flying part i've been kind of putting it out of my head. Yeah i know what you mean. But i'm definitely going to be masked up and taking all my wipes We are flying delta variant. i wonder if like anyone's fine delta now delta and get the delta variant. i don't know you would think. Hey i if i'm gonna flying. I'm going to it anyway. I might as well the irony. Synchronicity of the non dominant synchronicity. Oh my god nominative. Secret is city. Hey hey you can have go to grad school for philosophy. Have this vocabulary and some debt. Think about it. Hey you wanna well. I mean that for other stuff but i would not look here number one. I would not suggest going to grad school. If you don't get fellowship thank you. That's why did not go to nyu 'cause they're like oh. No this is on your back. And i'm like i don't know if a master's degree in philosophy of experimental literature. Good luck to you. I don't know if a master's degree in philosophy of experimental literature really gonna pay for itself. So maybe i don't do this. Yeah very very smart. I mean what job do you go into with the philosophy degree law or teaching philosophy. Right those options kind of. Oh well undergrad. While i mean. I doubt like most like philosophy. Grad students go into law. But it's like an option. I don't understand what you do with a philosophy degree. You teach you. My parents friends at ater. When i was in grad school. That's me what do you. What are you gonna do work at mcdonald's after this. Oh i would never say that but anyway can we talk about our guests. Because they're very exciting this. I mean yes nam. Why don't you excited to even say anything. Well we've got dear friends chris. Colfer and ashley fink. They're dear friends of ours their bestes- the two of them and they've just been real gift to us in los angeles. They become just great friends and they like to have a good time and invite us to movies. And that's all i really want in. Life is just to be invited to movie. Yeah we said this on an early episode of the show at some point without naming. Chris yeah but like when we started to feel like los angeles was home was when we started to be friends with chris and his boyfriend will. Yeah because it was just like you know we just hang out. It was just yeah. It was a hang time. It was a very chill. They've got two dogs one of them's ninety pounds. And just lay on him adrift myself over him. Now we're just going on and on but let me give you the basics. You may know chris. Colfer ashley fink from their work on glee for which chris won a golden globe. He's also the writer of the book series the land of stories and a tale of magic. He's out writing books on books on books for the children. And they're gorgeous so you're going to have the time that's what i thought. That was a dramatic politician and made it. But i think it's gonna be fine because they're fund and ashley is hilarious. Yeah so without any further ado. Roll it chris ashley We needed this today. So i'm really glad that we could see you again twice a week. It's post war. We're back in fun to see you guys. Yeah night it was so funny. I what i like about you guys like you guys always have activities like it's like someone who's very lazy. I would like to partake of the world. But i don't know how to make a reservation so i like me like this. We are doing this thing and it's like oh thank you i i i find if you have activities in a party the least likely you are to get stuck talking to someone. You don't wanna talk to you. you can always go. I gotta go check on this. Oh i gotta go this. I got you a great segue or an excuse to invite people. Don't talk that that is also good. But then i then i feel guilty. I i don't like anyone to feel discloated. Dissolute word is next -cluded but no. I like the english. Language is malleable. Exactly and i can do whatever you want with it when you get kicked out and you've been discs along the way we like you enough to come to the party but we need activities to stay away from me yes colluded. Every group has the sits strong. And you just you just hope you're not that one in the friend group that the disclu one sure i am absolutely that person. Absolutely so the highlight. Here's the thing. I'm interested in this combo because i think a while ago we had thought ashley an isaac on the live show and that was over a year ago and then ashes like nope chris and will your your boyfriend and you're like nope this ow. I'm really psyched about this combo. But if i can prompt you. If if i can put on my interviewers captured put on the cow chris now you had said that you are a little protective of your relationship with will because of some stands. Yes stan however not at all worried about protecting. I gotta say unite equally solar soul to the devil you. So we're we're we're both on our own we signed up for it. Yeah ob- yeah. We need the attention. Oh yes we wish quarantine empty. Yes so okay. So before. I explain this this this The story i should start with saying that. I would say because actually i we were on the show glee that that's how we met. And that's that's that's why. I ask once or twice Not as me so. I would say the the i think. Ninety percent of the glee are just the sweetest cutest little nuggets. Like they're just. They're just like like like energetic theater. Supportive supportive musical art. Kids sing and dance and they could be cuter But during the show this subdivision sort of sorta developed disclu. If you will that went down can you. So the group of of of young folk. They loved the show so much they just truly believe all their heart that they were watching a documentary And when my character. Kurt guy. Love interest blaine. Who's played by. Darren criss those names are triggering curtain. Blame just yeah yeah. I think it's pronounced claim. Yes but so when marketers got together on the show There is a group of fans that just they could not fathom the fact that darren i were just actors on a tv show to the point where they started actively trying to sabotage our real relationships in real life in an attempt. I think the attempt. I think the hope was that that darren i would break up with our significant others and then run into each other's arms in a flower flowery meadow or give them any material and headed. He's married. he's a married person now. Now he's married he's he's also a straight man as well so we we are not each other's types But i had. It just stayed on twitter at just been like like i like you. Know mc childhood like childish like twitter bullying. We've been one thing but no it was like these they. Oh my god what. they started. they got a hold of my boyfriend's email and they signed him up for like all kinds of crazy websites like legal legal. Shut down his blog. They don't get hit a block from college that they got shut down and I they what time. I got a tweet from someone that said You need to check your your boyfriend's emails. And so i was like will you wanna check. And they'd signed him up for Ashley madison dot com. Which is a straight the cheating website so like they almost. They're almost there but they try to get him fired from his job at johns. Yeah yeah he was robertson. Max at the time and like his creative executives got all these emails and messages from these people like saying lies about him trying to get him fired in his his mom. His sisters got boxes of hair in the mail. Like with With like lead would not say how dare you. How dare you be part of this. Lie young we know the truth than it was. It drove me. So yeah. So i i whenever whenever i can keep will out of out of harm's length glee piteously. That is i mean so you guys. Obviously you met on glee. Y'all in it but it's also like your friendship sort of happened. In the course of what was a phenomenon like that show was thing and it's like at everybody was young so i'm assuming it was also like the first big thing i'd done right. Oh absolutely right so like kind. Kinda be part of that like how was it just like instant connection or pretty much was burn. No the weirdest thing about chris is. We didn't even have a lot of screen time together like i was recurring in the show in the first season and then i joined the glee club when he left the glee club. So go to other school so he laughed and i took his place so we didn't have a lot of onscreen even at work time together. Yeah but the first my first day guest starring unlike episode eight the pilot had only aired. I was in the makeup trailer. And and chris was just like. Will you eat lunch with me. i love sure. He like loki. Stalked me and we had lunch together and our friendship was during the phenomenon of glee and and we were on tour together and all of that stuff but it was also like completely separate in a weird way. Yeah i remember. We met. And i'm like who's this lady because you guys know actually actually can take the mickey at anybody ashley not tour de force horta force and i'm thinking. Oh my god. Like like what i needed. I needed to protect her. And i'm like no gonna be my protector and Yeah there sister wait can go back for one second sure. How did the how did that. How did the stand stop. What stop them. They never stopped being as ill when private on all of his accounts fairly and time you know people sort of calm down with time but it hasn't i mean there's still they should be old enough now to know that the tv wasn't real. Gotten a lot of apology letters from time. Like from like you know. They're probably the early twenties now. I think i was so i was so out of line. I should not have sent that severed head in. You know it's nice that people are learning and growing surprised by and my dad told me he was straight up. When gilligan's island was on the air people would call him. Like you rescue. These people like it's been it's a forever thing where there's a certain type of person who watches tv and their so lost in it that they don't can't separate and you you expect that like on the internet but like i'm unrealized once a crossover that's when i was like oh my god i in a way of course but that's the thing that at what point did you realize that that reality and television fiction is a totally different thing from reality when you oh wait. He has another boyfriend and he's not fourteen. How old people in cleese. i don't work. I started young. I was actually a child. I know my character started fourteen in his age. Kind of jumped around shot around. It was like his eighteenth birthday. One right he's in college but we never out of sixteen. I'm not quite sure exactly. Linear linear wasn't what i like. I like these people. And i like the things they do. I'm going to ruin them in real life like i. What point does i think the answer to why people are crazing. Wouldn't you may look. This is the like slightest like point. Zero zero one percent shape at every once in a while every couple months. They'll be like someone will comment on on the couple's therapy on the apple charts and say on the apple charts and say like naomi needs road. Podcast dropped the drip and it just like her hitting. We brought you here to tell ya yes. We've looked up the ip address. We figured it out but like it's just like well. What do you think you as a fan of this person. You're endearing yourself to them by like hurting the people that they love like insulting the people like. I'm sorry. i think it was cute to say that to me and it's lice. It's still a mystery to me. One thing i know for sure is eight is hard enough to date in los angeles as it is when you add fourteen thousand fourteen year old girls who are trying to actively sabotage relationship yup in the miracle. It's miracle of us. Were able to have successful relationships outside. Well yes you said for a second ash. Christie joked. I needed a protector. But ashley you were like year. That was kind of it. Was that obviously your personalities. Like chris you are. The mellow one not wasn't shy. I would use the word shy. It's not yet it's not like you're not you're anxious and he's like all type a good way not a right but he is like one hundred percent. I feel like. I do fall into the beta role with chris in that. I am like whatever you want. let's do it. Yeah weirdly like you know you say what you want your very direct. Oh yeah like. I feel like for sure i would imagine they. You have also help crispy a little more direct irl. I didn't pan. Did the pandemic has actually made a switch personnel percent. It's har- it's free ride. Is i very much an interview before pandemic and she was extrovert in a net. Just something happened and something happened. Caused mickley in our our the opposite. Yeah it's so interesting. But i do think i do think us we were drawn together for a reason. I was absolutely as protector. I was older. I had already done a lot of fun. Wild things and chris was eighteen or nineteen. And i was like. There's this little baby gay and he needs a mama and she stepped up. And i was like i i got you and i do think i think it was meant to be in a weird way. Thank god because i got only knows what would have happened because you know i would have are parties. She was like you're not going to already like you're like there are people that would invite me over. And you're not going to that house not going that producers house that we some people we now know of. Yeah right right right but there is i mean. I was certainly aware of things that chris was not aware of and i was like not not my kid. Not not not my son. He's not gonna have means you story. As long as i'm around they mean and i think that was lucky. I think you need somebody. I need someone who knew the ropes. You also like eighteen years old and doing something that huge nobody could have planned right wrigley on a world tour. People like the the beatles you know it was insane. People were throwing their children at us. Like catches vince crazy. And all this stuff and all the attention and in so much of it was on him because he was so talented he won the golden globe and it was just like. I don't know. I felt very lucky that i got to be in that position to like look out for him. Yeah why what made you and you said you had done some wild and crazy things. But you're from california originally texas actually ticks. I know sorry don't always claim it. But no i am from texas but did you start acting. Like in the biz. Officially acting. I wanted to a performing arts high school here in california and then You know. I started working at like sixteen and i had done. You know i guess on another show. And i had done a big gay indie movie and i got to go all over the world with that and so i i was sort of met like i had. I had been on a lot of the fun. The work part of it but also like the party queer side of it. And so i sort. It was like this are fun and like i love that for you but i also want to make sure he's protected. Yeah kind of. Chris would be safe to say that you not have a hard time. You take your time like letting people in. Oh absolutely absolutely. Yeah no. I have always been that way ever since i was a kid though. Yeah i i've always been a growing up in a in a very very conservative small town. And and being closeted. I really just. I was always too afraid to get close to people because i was always afraid someone would Out me essentially like may maybe not like an orientation sense but just like in a general sentence like i always had this kind of like i be the victim of a witch-hunt kind of kind of thing. So i have always been very very guarded. His ashley he'll tell you all our business at starbucks i'm like do you want to know about my trauma. No it's very true very opposite in that way jn that like having so many eyes on you just exacerbates that feeling. Oh yeah absolutely young. I feel like the just like the time in which that all happened had such a important role in it too Like i only can speak from my point of view. Because i've i've only been me But You know back back then. It was like you know you. You told like. don't come out. I was told many times by many people. Don't don't come out the closet you will ruin your career and and i shouldn't point i because there's a lot of examples of people who do come out and then they they never work again That i started kind of believe it. But i also was like i would rather i'm gonna put my life i in my career second And it's funny. I've never stop working. Joe was on them but yeah it's weird authenticity. What yeah. i'm not sure. I'm not sure how that fit into what we're talking about. But i'm glad i said it. Yeah no yes needed to be said. But i i do think. It leads to being guarded. You being famous. That young with that many is on you. I mean you are a little bit like full on agoraphobia. I oh yeah muscles because they were really scary. Time when you're kidnapped. I kidnapped like the euro a lot of and i never really talked about this because i because especially back then. I felt like i didn't. I didn't wanna talk about it. Because i i wanted to be a sound so pretentious when i say it now but but I wanted to be a symbol of strength for the kids. We're looking up to me so he never talked about how hard it was. I never talked about how scared i was. You don't wanna seem ungrateful reich. Like instantly hate when. Oh you've got everything. Are you complaining. Exact literally tried to snatch you the movie theater. Yeah yeah so you just kind of smile and go along with it. It's already searched. That was nothing like owing. Like the scariest part. Was the death threats like there there is. There is a period when constant death threats in lake. I remember like someone said they were gonna they were gonna put an explosive in my car and like did you just went on and on and on and i kiss aired with you and Blain there was all those protesters outside a paramount. We all getting to work. Yeah and there always homophobic protesters like throwing stuff out our cars out. That one was kind of cool. Yeah some of those wisconsin. Cool i think was called the anti christ on fox news. That's a badge shirt. Yeah definitely definitely this. Is i think also like one of the reasons that i was able to be normal around. You guys is because i never watched glee. I didn't know when we first met. We first met at a one of isaac oliver's book reading. I'm caliber friend of the show. We can't stop talking about it and and left his episode by the way yes. He's above young. What a what a peach of a man you were. you didn't want to live show with isaac. No have you heard isaac speak. he's like oh elephant. he's talking about these big things. And i'm like by the way you have to have isaac on the show with ashley because it will be a completely different dynamic like she becomes the child the protector mother figure. Call him mother. Yeah the mommy the opposite. So i think i'm like oh i just like these people right. There was this whole thing where i'm like. Oh i like who you are. This is fun. We have fun together. And i like there are people who run into who like we were at a party. Mike lauren. graham was at the party. And i'd watch gilmore girls so i was just like literally spent time like am i looking at her should not looking at our. What am i doing here. And i couldn't. I couldn't have a human moment. You were like i. Because i know you i could tell like in the moment i saw her. I go like he don't have emotions literally went out the first time i went to his house. What did i find. His wall was the complete gilmore. Girls girls series so i was like okay. Which boyfriend andy. Which boyfriend. what team are we. Oh yeah jasser dean honestly. None of them team. I'm team elaine. I want them to together. Yeah actually that would be a twist would have much preferred that to who both of them ended up with But but also put the thing that i think is interesting. Is that like your for whatever pressures you both but under your both normal human beings then. That's the first time i've ever been called that a lot of things you are though. That's very sweet. I think that's true. I think my whole family feels so close close to crack. Nobody feels like you're very warm and you're very welcoming and you're not like weird and you not to say that famous people are weird. Can't be that big about what telling us you've been through too when you hear about that kind of shows like yeah. No wonder you a friend. Yeah yeah so. I would say that. That's also why everything you just said about me. I would say did did obama. And i think that's also why we i bonded is because it's like there are so much. Bs in this fake people and so many many finally find your tribe. It's magical and you. You finally find someone that you know i. I was raised in a in a family. Where teasing was a love. Language saying once we kind of own weight we speak the same language as it was instant bond. Yes i call it. I call it brazing. It is a gentleman. Yes yes i'm nice to you. That's a problem. Yeah right right. And ashley nice to me. It's nice to be actually mad. When i showed up because there was another young girl at the party. Oh no so. Happy to have another for china or you know any. So's my retriever own. My god really. I mean talk about we. We've tried everything. He's i literally ran into jane lynch on the street and she was at. Tell cooper my vaginas. Jeez i would say coaches of all orientations goes from high. I think good. I feel like he's an equal opportunity offender but notice govt crotch. Wow how do you. How do we get to love. But i was gonna say though ashley. Are you single. Yeah yeah what she. She's single she's been single for twenty four thirty five. Sixty years has not been that long. Yeah because the turn-of-the-century. No i yeah i don't. I'm not a dater but now is that because you're constantly having a fun event with chris and willem again right. Yes yes. I mean like i love you being around. I am very frequently. The only female. It's been that way though. Since i was four years old my mom had to gay friends in texas. And i was like these. Are my people from john. Like i have never. I don't like speaks heterosexual. Very drive me crazy. The only language that i speak fluently as homosexual true. And it's just like the worst thing ever that i'm straight and actually she needs it with people with her like she she always like shut down. Starts that true. Yeah absolutely absolutely because many many times metaphor openly like. Hey how can a guy like me. Get your number in and you'll say or just like oh you don't know you're gay yet. Oh yeah usually and generally if a man is glamorized by me he is at least bisexuals which is fine by husband. Let us do no. I've just. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't. I haven't had a boyfriend long time i had. I was up with a five year relationship. We almost got married like literally welded twenty and then i had an on and off thing for a long time with a friend of mine. But it's just never. I don't know i don't connect with the straits i i need to find a bisexual who gets it. Wants to watch paul's drag race with me and lay it down. You know like. I watch sports with somebody. I also hate doing things. I don't wanna do. I'm not gonna compromise locate. Maybe you stay single ash. I do but i just mean like i'm like i'll go to a baseball game. They ex-boyfriend okay. But i'm not like watching sports every saturday and sunday and i did sign her up performers only dot com hundred percent. That's true saw the free trial he paid for this hackel money for the for the first month i paid for. Why would you make get her. A farmer grizz. Larry had so many emails. Give really email address. Had so many winks. You know our moves. I don't remember what they were caught. I've done my part is what i'm trying to. You know. I get something i need to like. Yeah i'm seventy too much with these yossi also very. You're i think you're very smart to and it. It's really hard to find someone who can who can be on your level. It's fair sokoto. Also especially i will say this to. I found 'cause. I'm also like a little bit of a roaster and like i said that was. That was a black secretary That was very low. There's a lot there without that love with love thing i do find that straight men have tr- i've in my experience. They have had trouble with the woman who can like. Sling the jokes. Oh percent jacket. They do and they just want all this praise and i'm like what have you done but i also want the angeles which i was living in new york. I met so many more guys that i connected with living in. La with a bunch of young gorgeous actors and yes. That's kind of you to say but sometimes they wanna hook up with me and that's more whatever but it's like i don't wanna listen to your mix tape. I don't wanna talk about your agents. i i'm grown. i'm like. I don't know there's a peter pan syndrome to the straight men here and i just wanted to say okay. Gave you a hot young actress. She was everything you wanted. And now you're bored. So i'll bring your personality. Yeah i will bring you events activities. Yeah but i won't listen to your mix tape when i won't send it to anyone. I know it. Sony really enjoy being free. I also really enjoy being single to do i. I guess i look i obviously. It's it's so unfair that women can't admit that. Yeah in babylon. But i do think you like like i also feel like sorry mom because you're gonna listen to this. I don't need like a lot of sex. Yeah like i'll have like okay. It's been a year. I guess years i'm like i'm not like these people like tipsy. I snooze or eat snacks. i don't get on the phone and try to find someone to hook up with. Like i don't like strolled strangers. All i like very young. That's not my thing. Yeah so i think a lot of times people looking for that like physical connection is how they find a relationship and i just don't look right. You're not you're not motivated by that. I get that you know we say on this show. I'm sex negative and you sex life. i'm so sex. Negative the yeah you know so we definitely get it. Do you live love feet all of it. Just i don't want to do it. And i that i mean i mean i'm gonna give me some credit because she's not giving yourself credit the guys that actually has dated have been with like they have all been gorgeous hot all delete of a cw show cw. Yes oh she's she's been a little misleading. Yes what once every solar eclipse cw clear bad room. Interestingly reading this thing about that. And there's this weird thing about like. I'm a plus size women. I'm very proud of that. I don't make any bones about that but there's this thing where like really hot men have never had to have their social currency. Be anything other than being hot so a lot of like guys. Who aren't that handsome or or not even handsome successful and all of these things. They want like a hot bitch because it makes them feel like they have social real estate. So they're like and that's fine. Whatever you're attracted to. It's not that but there's this weird thing. Where like i'll i'm happy to guys who like santa claus but they don't wanna fuck me they in la at least they wanna have sex with the girl who they can bring to a party and everyone's academy he get her a lot of times. Not everybody. this is not speaking for everybody but weirdly. There's this thing about guys who argued looking and then don't have to worry about much they don't think twice about hitting on someone like me because it's make them feel insecure which is like a weird psychological thing. Buddy thought it was very interesting. No that's very. I'm trying to think about that concept. This idea of like hitting on someone like i. What's the word. I'm hundred trying to say like. I was like how. Because i don't think hitting on someone is like something. I'm communicating to the world around me talk to you. I'm not even thinking about what other people are thinking of me talking to you totally same that idea like that layer of sort of social self conscious social consciousness. Really right to be all issue in this in la especially on this industry and like you have a guy. I've literally had guys milk. I like you so much. But i can tell. It's like they're not comfortable. You know what i'm saying with me like in a party situation and like i'm too old for that. That was years ago. But like yeah. It's so interesting that's true. Though i mean i i can pull at a party. I go find the most famous person self tag me imagine. I think it's an inner circle more than that. That's that's the way that's the way it is interesting now. I got a three picture. Deal with a ryan so ryan nineteen ninety-one they. I never left the way. I i've been able to navigate. La just like meeting people. I really do think like having done. Standup makes it so that like. I'm not particularly intimidated by people. Having been on a stage and had like a hundred is looking at you like what are you doing. I'm like okay you totally. You saved me from like being that kind of person who's like. Oh god what are we doing where we going you know and like who's going to be there's like oh yeah ones. They're my dream. Party is to people. That's me one hundred percent and that comes with maturity too. Yeah i think it's a very juvenile trait to like. Oh we're going. Who's here what's next. Yeah well it's also people are kind of mature in in. Yeah in i mean. It's true joking aside all joking not just joking but like here at all of it. I was a little tongue tied confront warren grand. But i talked to her. But like there's some people like bob open kirk was at a i was at and i was just like and it was a small party but i'm like what am i going to say to him. Like your like your y. I'm in comedy. Like what kind of conversation am i going to have with this guy. It's like it's not going to be like i'm not stuck to. We're not the same. He's also like what twenty or thirty years older than me like thirty years. What is it fifty or sixty years one hundred and one hundred and foale vampire right so but like there's just this thing my words i don't need to talk to him rat we're not gonna have we're not gonna be on the we're going to do like tell telling my favorite sketches. He's written something nightmare for him. That would be right exactly. There's no. I think. I think a lot of people try to like if i'm in the proximity of someone like that somehow it will rub off on me in some way. Yes yeah yeah. it's everyone's got angle. Yeah and it's such a weird way to conduct yourself as opposed to like. Oh we get along so let's talk pure heart pure heart you know he's from pennsylvania didn't come in here to be a big star and that's right okay. I feel like we've got some good info. Some good background that answer questions. I love it okay. Great we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll be back with chris. You never wait to hit the dancefloor or for someone else to start the combine indefinitely. Don't wait for viral video to show you how to move so why wait until someday to book your family trip. Today with travelocity get clear information to confidently. Book your vacation. Say no to dancing or traveling. Let's go see your someday care and book. Book book travelocity. Hey y'all what pop in real quick and let you know that if you like what you hear and you want to support the show. There are a couple different ways. Most of our support comes from our wonderful patron community for five dollars a month. 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All right bachelet's miss badger in the misses the basis the better name than that badger from narnia. Yes no chris see it was badger. So don't give look of shock jock. Who named themselves after cs lewis character. Thank shredder add as no no she and that one she was. Yeah the way So as i was trying to pivot. Andy got it. People will call us any they will slide into our. Dm's they send us emails. They just they reach out they reach out and we always say you know. We're not professionals but we have opinions so don't feel like you need to hold back and just go with your gut your heart as we answer these questions okay. We have opinions that for you. I know you actually drag them. Read them to fill. I love it when actually read stranger to fill all right. This first one comes to us. This is the voice mail that was sent to our line. And what is that number again if someone wants to call in three two three five. Two four seven. Eight three nine. Yes yes it is indeed. Sorry i dropped. You gotta drop john. Batchelor something yeah. It's the badgers crawl inside of unity. Burrowed into my heart vocal. Cords me for rod guests So i recently. If i'm not in a relationship i hit me got out of one where i think gauged and she cheated on me And so you got that sad. But i'm kind of in this weird place where i'm trying to get out there and people again but i have. I been so long since. I've just casually dated and i wanna know when it's too early to like start getting into deep thing by personal things and i. I have chronic illnesses and mental illnesses and just things like getting away and just like i just moved into an apartment and i have no furniture and i just i just don't do a great sell right now. I'm kinda find someone to marry touch. I don't know. I guess. I'm just offered and do it and also how to trust people again. Okay thank you bye okay. Well first things. I i ki- furniture some predator. Because i do think that will help her. Feel better about herself and she can take. You can take all these things one step at a time furniture. I i hear that what. What are your thoughts on. Oh me no. I have so many thoughts concerns and feelings. I you what do you guys think. Well that's the thing i'm like would she. She says. I don't feel like i'm a great sale right now to me. Don't date because i think when you don't feel good about yourself even if you're like i just wanted to be casual. You will end up getting wrapped up in a person who's not even worth your time because you knock it a tract like i feel like i've been that way especially post quarantine. I don't feel like myself. I feel often. I feel awkward and social anxiety. All that stuff. And i think that's what you're going to attract if you're feeling in that space but i think go back to being cheated on and like how have you dealt with that trauma and all of that is not done until she hasn't you can well. You heard it here. I know it did. It feels like there's something there and that you gotta make sure you don't want to dive into the dating world with all these hang-ups because that's just not fun q. Focus on like. I just wanna get laid than just go like have some shirt. That's offers only dot com only sponsored. What's wrong with farmers only tells me something. I am the last on their list for twenty twenty. I would try to focus on like unlike nurture nurturing herself and like having fun and having fun with friends. And and i don't know i focused more also focus on new one hundred percent lonzo clean by religion. Focus on you and also like a lot of negative things like you like love yourself. I like rupaul. My other queen. My king says it's like you know you gotta love yourself. I and so i would say you know. Find a way to love you. And if you just want to get some sch max then that's not so hard to find now that everyone vaccinated right. That's true i mean. I think the other thing that she was saying about sort of like. I have chronic illnesses. I've i've mental illnesses. Basically how soon in meeting someone to say that to me. It sounds cheesy but like i think you will know when you're talk. I was gonna say that you'll you'll know you'll get the vibe. Oh this is like a person. I can trust person. Who's not judgmental. Or a persian. You'll get the you'll get the opening to go there. Don't open up to a stranger don't dislike but you're gonna feel the vibe. What a time to like. I feel. I've never felt more awkward than i do in this moment. I think we're all trying to figure out how to be humans again so like i just think now's the time that like you don't have to have any sort of insecurities about being like i'm weird. I'm off right now. You know but also say on that on the real one tip that like the people who like who are real once you like you know at that party on on saturday like i talked to you guys and it was it. I did not feel weird or awkward. I felt like i felt like it was normal again. I like why vibe with. I as soon as we like we went to another. We went to another gathering on sunday. Then do things in one week and it was twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty nine. We're also getting older so naturally we don't wanna go out much. Take the recovery is. The people were real. Once we ha- we got into it pretty quickly and it didn't feel weird. It didn't feel awkward. It was just like oh. Yeah and i think those people like you'll find because i remember before i met you. I went on a string of okay. cuba dates. I don't wanna hear about that. They were there was never anyone before nine. They were all fucking boring. They were all there was every one of them or i was like wait. Why is bad. Why is this like why. Can't this person hang. And then i met you now and then but it is. You see happen to you okay. It can't but also like so true though it's about like unexpect- you never know where you're gonna find the love okay looking and that's how they get you right when you be free and just love in your life girl i smell you. Feel well adjusted. Ramon that means happy at joy's through it's like it's like the The ads on instagram. You're like dorgan. It adds a worm from the labyrinth. I know i needed that until now. Are you calling anti the worm from. Can i at least be david bowie. You identify as what you're totally right when you're out there when you're doing you and you're living your life well here. It is safe. But i heard that i thought the furniture is almost symbolic bernard. Like it's like if if she doesn't like she deserves furniture. You know like like you'll be like aren't in the home. Yup yup and local thrift. Like i know a lot of us have been out of work for the pandemic will not find a straight man. If you go with routing but nobody you can find a t that you can afford. Yes yes but chris very into home he. This is a new table we're sitting at. He's constantly changing things. Sure thing i like we. I am not. I like things to look nice when i see them on like. That's nice but like when i get into. I like what you drop paint it do. I put a well-paid her like no if a little color. Eight by eight or whatever is going to whole wall never commit to stuff called actress. He's really like that. That's just part of being being gay. I think it just comes. I know gay men who can't put a shirt and a pant together you know those two. You've got great style and you really good interior decorations. So call grits and chris email. Nobody already some really nice furniture. And and then tell yourself you're wonderful and loved and and then go you know. I don't know yup tender. I should know. Why are you worried about this. Stop dating she chris. Put on a pair of overalls as been chewing a piece of wheat this whole time. Yeah the second of the show. Actually at ashley increase or actually recreating the american gothic pain when we walk into any room so if you guys saw me scream guy. Saw me playing with my phone. It was not to check twitter. It was to get this next piece of advice. This comes to an anonymous from instagram. I love when it's anonymous. I hope it see. Yeah hey andy. Naomi and guest. I'm a longtime listener and first time caller with a little predicament. Lil predicament by your trusted ears. My girlfriend and i recently moved out of the house where we had several roommates into. We had several roommates in our own. Portland we've you moved. They moved out of a house where they are several roommates their own place. I thank you for parsing that a step. We were really excited to take after a year of constant stimulation very little time to ourselves. It's the perfect department. We love it here except for our downstairs neighbor a guy who blast explosions from his surround. Sound tv at max volume until really late at night. Walks like a clydesdale and belo songs to himself during other hours the day. I know that's my neighbor. Is he single. he's nice digits. Right here No we wait. Sorry finish. I know that apartment living requires some neighbor patients but i've never experienced this level of disruption like the base shakes are floor and i can feel his footsteps from our bed. We are he's below right. That's what they said. I know keep going right. But i'm downstairs. You can hear us honestly my reading comprehension. When i'm reading these very low ever. You guys say like you do. We aren't sure how to ask them to quiet down. Knocking feels unsafe. This a little while ago so it says pandemic parentheses now. Hey but a note feels rude. Maybe his hearing is in great. How can we advocate for our peace. We are so who weary thank. Didn't it y'all had crazy awful neighbor. Oh yeah we didn't well musician. I wish i always just hoping even today even today even now that we're okay so first off i would like to say little predicament is also my wrapping name on second. What i would do is. I would write series of complaint note on different stationary and put them in different envelopes. So they look like they come from different parts of the building. Wow and and and subterfuge and slide them doors. So he feels like the hit. The entire building is is against him rather than just one person and then also can't can you not report him to the landlord. That does not seem normal the explosions but he gave us all this information exposure from the tv the tv. Right let one and that gives us all this information like what. He wanted us to talk because he moved out this house while he's roommates. That were distraction all stuff like this better. You don't have strangers all around. You're trying to do it in the kitchen. So like do we give the downstairs neighbor. Some wireless headphones. Yeah but also like isn't oh you don't wanna be ruble like having the explosions going off at all times there. That bats route. I mean right. i don't know i would be. I think you've gotta Do like the idea that coming from all sides so you can't be held culpable. Yea but like feeling unsafe writing a note. I think i i don't know i would probably just be like. Hey what's going on you. Would you would just like knock on their door and just say it's another notice a nice start. Well you know. It's funny because i would immediately. When i have a neighbor problems or anything like that i start to keep a record i want to log and so i would like you. Tell you type brutal. Oh no lawyer. Absolutely orleans has like accounting things that you see an old movie. Ledger ledger where they pull out. And she will. Last names i write the date and the offense and that is how i keep a note you know because i feel like going to the landlord. It's like that should go later. Go after you talk to them. I think yeah because they just chill but then there's also something me. I can't decide if it's passive aggressive or lovely generous. Maybe both some silent headphones like. Yeah silencing headphones like you know you can use them you can their bluetooth. You can connect them to your tv right here out as possible. Don't know if you're hard of hearing. I don't know what's happening but it's like we. We are trying to meditate or whatever it is. Yeah i would say that's passive aggressive. I would say if you're going to get them something. You're going to get them a gift. I would say. Get like a nice bottle of wine with no says. Hey just friendly. can you please keep it down. But that's nice handwriting. Someone else go back to different phones. Different idea with their non dominant. Hand right to shake. Shake him off. You gotta give to write them. Random random letters you together from a magazine on project. yeah. I like it. This is the one interaction. I've never mastered. I don't know if i said this on another episode. Or if i just said this to you in real life naomi that well it's all blended together episode as it all meshes together my brain but like the casual acquaintance is or the like. Yeah i guess. Put like neighbor as casual. Acquaintance is such every every sentence you say every time you see them is such a gray area that it just gives me total anxiety like i don't have problems with strangers because i know how to act to strangers. I don't have problems with friends. I know how to act with friends but like you're constantly like jocking with an a casual acquaintance trying to figure out. Do we talked with each other. Do we just say hi. How long this interaction be. How do we get out of this interaction. What do we do and it really plays me. And i think neighbors we have neighbors. We behind our apartment building is like a shared parking lot little thing as very tight because everything in los angeles fit fifty fucking cars to this day and the people for a long time. The people next to us there. If they did not pull their cars in perfectly it would be extremely difficult for us to get out and it was just going to be a matter. Thankfully they moved out but like it was just going to be a matter of time before i scratched their car and our car. And i didn't know i did. I was i was super super careful but it was just going to be one of those things where it's just like you know. It's like buffy when she asks spike. Why why did all the other slayers die. And now you have no idea. Jerry was ninety spike says. It's just a numbers game. It's eventually going to happen to you. But like i really contemplated a lotta times. Beat writing a note. Because i didn't know how i didn't know how to like. Knock on the door and just ask them. And maybe that's just as you've ever write a note or did you just panic hurt. The personal a super high anxiety too but. I think that i would be more nervous. Every time i park i would think this is how i think i'm gonna make them a lot more upset if i if i hit their car then i will just be like all over so i don't like causes both in insurance premium. Yeah no no no. No you're right you're right. You're right definitely. It's definitely that less stressful to write a note for me then to continue living in fear of heading their car to have the competition with the landlord though. Well i mean a landlord in la. She'll management company. They're not going to now. It's not we're not it is on the sitcoms. They're not in your house every day. They're not even on. Mr roper took over take care of born in nineteen. I was about to say you don't roper. Most recent time has even eighty year old woman in his heart. Exactly mr roper dots or the gun nuts okay. So was he the second one. He was the second one. I thought i was it. Mrs mr rope. Three's company i your other show. I need everyone to know that i'm president. But let the record show mabel. Did pee on the ottoman. And i'm just you know cry. Ages audit has covered. But you know they'll seep through to cover all no. Do you need to pause. Take your cap. Just keeps making appearances day. I'm living for that. So how you just say you just have the door and you say you loud. Here's a bottle of wine. What's killing kill them with kindness. Yeah let's just the best. That's right is that i also lyndon threaten the lawyer always people were records have record and it's like have you guys met before right. Is this just the disembodied noise or have you met this person yet right. Because i was gonna be like. Hey we're your new upstairs neighbors. Yeah you know and just can even say like you know. We hear the tv like really loud below. Is there any way you could turn it down or it of course with the gift. Because you're like. Hey i wanna i wanna start fresh. I wanna start clean like they. May he may not know or be paying attention to the fact that oh someone lives up there now. Like yeah person and also. How long has it's been going on because this is person still alive or did they die watching fast and the furious. Wow okay they just play the dvd menu going on for hours and hours. Let me check on them or maybe just played like your own music so loud. That's passive aggressive elisa. Manelli at like to play this game. Yeah do one more. And this is of course another voicemail. Of course. I like actually giving advice. Because i was give advice like meetings like in my car but like i i can actually do it. You know people here to listen to me. Give an unsolicited all the time we go. Hey indian naomi No how to really word this. But i'm in a relationship with a person for six years to really laws like a lot like a lot. But here's a brother and He i don't. I don't get along with them off and crosses his buckingham. You know what. I mean if i didn't have to deal with him Like every day we all used to work at the same place Now only me in the brotherhood as my boyfriend got a better job which is great. I love him. And i wanted to be happy but i i have to drive them home. Sometimes i have did like. I don't know i think you know i think terrible because he's pretty racist own racist right that's it. He's just he's offices and all these things and is he single with one person actually gender And then i. I wanna know what he's saying about me to my boyfriend's lafley boyfriend we'll spend tells me and it makes me upset and then it's caused the fiber to meal boyfriend and i'm like i know i shouldn't be asking if i can't handle it or whatever it just makes me so upset because like for example we had like a sigh or movie Over like a bed sheet or something. Because i thought it was ours and he has the same color or whatever it was going to key to bedsheet like. He was throwing the best way. The point i feel like she's in your with us. What's number grease it up. Still even though. I them. And i as like i went to my boyfriend and i said i apologized like i feel like maybe i did too much or whatever and how do i like. Say this to him. Because i don't i talk because i don't like him and whatever whatever and i talked to him or time i've listened and i'm like god is okay whatever and then i go and i try to apologize this person and they still fucking brings it up about me. And i'm like freaking apologized. I try to me. I was wrong to a to the out. Because i can't follow being wrong is the worst thing in the frigging world. It was just not a racist dispersed than being wrong. Okay this you guys as always we like to remind you. There is a three minute limit. And this one dig it. Cut off at two. I do recommend some india suggested it like maybe you do a voice memo or some if you wanna call it access products but you can always like email them. I like hearing your voice. Wars me know how in deep three or three minutes short nick timer So i time falling along with that one so she she her brother. Her brother-in-law is friends. Brother is a racist that she works with and he hates him and he's mad about a bed sheet in there's a bedsheet. Yeah what happened with the bedsheet. No i think he i it yes they had guess he lives with them and he more more out. He had a similar color. I will get a new job. Stop working with the new job. Well i don't know what she just get fired for being a racist. Yes that's bad you're right. I just don't need to worry so much about hurting racist feelings. We don't need to give them rights home. We don't need to give them bedsheets. i don't think worry about that bedsheet. If it's white agassi are we sure. It's bedsheet. I am a little concerned like your sixty relations with a guy that you love. I would like to think that your your boyfriend could be like you know. Supportive supportive and understand that you're in a pickle and you don't want to hang out with this racist hot mess your other does he. I wonder if the boyfriend is. If he can't stand his brother i well. It seems like he likes his brother. And that's where the contentions come from right. Maybe he's a secret racist and that's what we really only because that's the thing it's like true it's like how can you. He should at the very least be able to run interference. That is like yeah. He should be protecting her and like also like for instance. When she's like we'll tell me what he said about me and he does not only do that. Don't even ask your brother what he thinks of her. You know what i mean. The boyfriend should be like. Don't talk shit about my girlfriend. I don't want you and also like the person whose opinion about me. I care about would be a narcissistic racist. If you don't like me. That as a badge of honor please keep keep insulting right absolutely nursing racist the nursery. That's how rid of him. But i'm like but at the same time and you that attitude not rain frame him. Everyone with chant frame now. Maybe ashley if you can get that finger that was sent to you. We have implanted on him over. Like the guy who mailed me a finger would be this much of a nightmare. I don't know this is weird. Those digits those other digits the nine remaining drop those but also though you can hear in her voice how fucking like broke down she is. You know this is you know. And it's like why is this brother all up in her life. She works with this brother. She gives him rides on. I'm a people pleaser to fault. But there's the point where i'm like butch colin guber like you're talking about me to my boyfriend. You're all up in my life like you have to have a little bit of like set a boundary and be like if you're gonna talk shit about me if you're going to be this kind of person even though we worked together like i'm ali i'm getting my fucking car and i'm driving home. Yeah yeah don't have to give them right home. Yes that's right. But what is the work dynamic. Exactly one of the manager like like. That's what i'm wondering too. It's amazing how we have information about the but yeah. We don't have all the details because i also think what were starved for details hours later phone number. Let's go the bed. She'd have two holes in it close to each other. It's like she should like they should really be a conversation with her with boyfriend. Her boyfriend saying like. Hey this is what's up. You know i you to either keep him away from me. Menial family functions or making sure. We're not talking. You know or you know. Can you tell him not to say you know. Xyz racist things. You've heard him say you know and that should be a no brainer like your boyfriend. Yeah do that. I'm gonna have to rethink a little bit of this relationship. Went on can't do that. He needs to. He needs to run interference and protect her logo in the situation. It feels weird. It feels like the brother and hammer on our relationship. And she's like yeah on the outside of it. But i wonder what bothers me. Yeah bothers her more like the fact that he's racist nurses this or that he's talking smack about all of that all bothers her. I don't know. I don't. I don't know i don't know either. They don't like each other like they. Just don't go to people who literally you know she said is blue hill. Say it's green like those kind of people whereas yes honestly. I do think she has to rethink the boyfriend. Look if your significant other your back. Yeah she's at chained in. That's true that's true. I mean the way you've thought to be members rethink your significant other. Because if he is a racist brother it's like what is he about. But no you're right if he doesn't have your back again even though i was wondering why is your brother. I don't think. I don't think you should judge people based on their family members. Because i've got some pretty wacky family member. Like like i mean wolf like i could get the bingo on wacky family but Yeah but like him putting up allowing his brother to be racist and narcissistic and talk shit about her as the problem should not be a competition. It she's like it's down. Shut it down shut down. Yeah yeah whatever the bed life you worry about a bedsheet. Here fucking five dollars. Why is this such a traumatic moment. I'm so confused by the bed. She what did anyone catch what that was about. How they each had each have bedsheets. They each a sheet set that are similar colors and she had they had maybe put the wrong one on their bed and the brother the said. No that's mine. And i think that's what the contention was if i read it correctly. And then she says. She apologized profusely for a number of years. It seemed like she's apologized for years. And it keeps getting brought up. That's weird like your car punching when there's things that but actually putting the wrong on a bed is not something that gets brought up for six years. That doesn't even need a sorry. I'm you wash apologize. You have to be like oh oops. Here is sorry. Lady not even. I'm not saying shut down. That is not a mistake that needs sorry that made now needs a like a sorry in terms of just like you just need to say something. Yeah well i also think though it might not have you been just been like making the bed. I think she was like we were moving moving with lucy but then she was like she. She said he's he was gonna throw out his bed anyway like he didn't need the most. That's a twenty dollar mistake. I say i like her shot. I feel like we're missing information like this. Y'all has let's call it. Let's get her on the pod right and be like is he. Your boss at this job right. I wanna know like yes because that's the only thing that's complicating this. If he happens to be her boss. I this is a little more difficult. Otherwise fucking shut him out of your life. Yeah day's drive them home. It's lieber at least scooter. it's a bird. Don't drive them okay. That was good. I feel like we got a long journey gate. The way how many times have we say bedsheet. I thought okay. Take for time. You're wrong. I just thought it's interesting. You know when people like you know people who. You're not a right. You're not a comedian but there was something so perfect about like a minute. I don't know why i don't like him. I know why it's because he's that was perfect like way like i didn't see detail i would forget the timing. It was beautiful gorgeous. But ashley chris thank you so much for coming on the show so much having so much fun. You guys are the best in the game and you're truly been. Your friendship has been a real gift of los angeles paint happy. I don't too savvy truly like like we maybe like. When did we meet you guys like maybe a year or so we like superheated this place and your your friendship was like maybe the first nice to feel like they're like friends who was like. Oh yeah we hang out say in. La like yeah. We'll hang out. Which one okay. I was like love. Yes it's all very lovely at because retreive you okay. Just gushed for too long now. I feel vulnerable.

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And join him on his expedition to learn about the innovations that are changing our world. The way we exist and how we interact with one another lauren mike lauren. When was the last time in a. I correctly predicted that you were coming down with something. I'm pretty sure that i'm relying on ai. When i use apps like the heart rate monitor or the period cycled tracking on apple. Watch and i. It is a pretty good job of that. But if you're asking me has a ever flagged anything that's been wrong with me. No i mean aside from like you know the stuff we all know is wrong with me. Well i'm glad that there's nothing currently super wrong with you because we're going to talk about is role in healthcare on. Today's show sounds good. Hi everyone welcome to lab. I am michael. A senior editor wired. And i'm laurin. Good i'm a senior writer at wired for for as long as i can do my job before an. Ai takes it over and we're also joined by wired senior writer. Tom cyanide tom. Welcome back to the show. Hi mike thank you for having me back now. Tom you write about. Ai for wired. Which is why we asked you on. But we actually asked you on because of your smooth melodic british accent. My that's kind. I'm also a big fan of your accent. What about mine. Your accent is also a great other. Accents are also available from a little bit supplies time. You're killing me. i'm already jealous. That are in the san francisco office right now in our podcasting studio i can see over zoom. We hope to all be back there soon. But i'm already having the fomo. And now you're saying you like mike's accent and i don't quite believe not quite convinced yours. You feel the same about my. But that's okay. Perhaps we should move on. We're all still recording remote but there you are in our studio how is it. How does it smell the smell good. It smells super. Clean when i cranked. Open the door. I was thinking this is like a time capsule to probably roughly eighteen months ago. I was bracing myself Who knows what would be in here. We're bracing yourself this snack fight. I open the door and it was super fresh because we have a powerful eh purifying here keeping the virus particles down and i think everything else to what brand air purifier is that it is a co way and mega. Oh look we're actually fans at wired. I think right like it's good when you turn it on. It makes cheerful happy tune. That makes you feel safe. This is not spawn about air purifiers. This is in fact a show where we're gonna be talking about health care tom. You're one of the writers that we have on staff wired who covers all this stuff and you've written a story about a is use in hospitals this week and we're gonna talk about that story plus another one later in the show So to set up the first one machine intelligence can no doubt be useful tool for both doctors and patients. But we know that it's not perfect and the use of our tools in healthcare settings can create new complications. Like sometimes doctors don't know what to do with the information that a computer spits out or sometimes a poorly written. Ai program can end up. Worsening the racial disparities that already exist in our healthcare system. But let's start with your most recent story which is about sepsis. Some people might not know this but sepsis which results from infections is the number one killer of patients in hospitals so when a company developed software that uses an algorithm to alert doctors to the first signs of sepsis in their patients. It seemed like a good thing but there are some flaws in that algorithm. Now tom. we're hoping you can tell us what went wrong here. And just why don't we just fact up a minute because i think we're at a really interesting moment in. Us you know back in the day medicine involve bloodletting and leeches and all this like ganic stuff and then signs improved and medicine go pretty good but it was still all. The data was mostly written a paper. You know you couldn't get into computers and computers weren't really good enough to help out anyway but Fast forward to today electronic health records pretty common now and we have mobile phones and smoke computers that can fit into medical devices and computers that run sophisticated algorithms and so. It's become a lot more practical to put self like in the clinic. Get it to help out doctors And that's great because as good as medical science. Is there clearly lots of opportunities to help. People do it more accurately. But now we're in this phase where we can deploy this stuff but we don't know a lot about how to make it work in the way that you would hope it would work and so things are being deployed because it's possible to deploy them but not everything is getting properly checked over all tested before it gets put into the point central to this story. Tom is a company called back. Which is one of the biggest technology providers for medical health records in the united states. Right describe that landscape a little bit of electrons health records and talk about epochs role in his story. Yeah the the. Us has a pretty fragmented health system with all the private insurers and different plans and things like this and so it's been slower than some other countries to adult electronic health records but things are now going pretty. Well and epic is the leading provider of electronic health records and so probably a good number of listeners would have the data lodged into an epic system at a hospital or health insurer some other kind of provider and that is kind of competitive and there have been some issues with interoperability. It's not not really in the business interests of company that provides medical record systems to make it easy for you to get the data out and put it somewhere else. And there's also a competition between companies to try and make that record systems more attractive by adding bells and whistles or algorithms and so the system i wrote about this week was an hour epic offered to and it was pitched as a way to pop up alerts to patients that might contract sepsis this very dangerous complication manufacturing. It's pretty hard to spot because some of the key signs of uncommon the hospital like low pressure and other things and so the epic system which was open to its customers. They said look. We've made them what it will do is pop up alerts on patients that risk of developing sepsis and that way you can treat them early and is good evidence that know or even a our earlier treatment can can save your life so that seemed like a great thing but the company didn't release a lot of information about the system and how it performed and hadn't really been any external validation of that system and so some researchers at university of michigan curious about this and they said well. Why don't we test. How good this thing really is. And they found that maybe it wasn't as great as people have been assuming. What did they find so they tested the software on data from about forty thousand patients and they found that it didn't identify two thirds of the sepsis cases. They have and found some. That doctors had missed that one hundred and eighty three cases out of nearly three thousand. If you were one of those one hundred and eighty three patients would be pretty clear that this was looking out for you but it also threw up a lot of foles alarms. And so when a patient was flagged by this system there was only a twelve percent chance that they would have developed sepsis so many times when it was cooling for the attention of stuff they were maybe diverting attention all that time when they didn't really need to and the lead author of the study candidate saying the way he summed up his for all those alerts. You get very little value you know. Many things in medicine retro. Ideally you would have a team of dogs every patient. But you can't so you have to decide where you're going to allocate your resources and concluded that this was maybe just not worth the extra burden. It was placing on stuff tom. There's a section of your story that really underscores how these flawed systems can end up. Discriminating against certain groups of patients and in particular how this affects patients of caller right You mentioned the back in two thousand nineteen. There was a system used on millions of patients to prioritize access to special care for people with complex needs and had actually underestimated the needs of black patients compared to white patients. And that's just one example. And so i'm wondering if you can explain for our listeners. Exactly how this ends up happening with artificial intelligence software. And how ultimately this could perpetuate racist beliefs. And this comes back to what i was saying before about. You know. we've reached this phase where we're deploying stuff without fully understanding some of the complexities happens when you throw so far into the health system so in twenty nineteen an hour them used for patients in the us to identify patients that have t-e-k-n-i complex burden of health needs maybe related to diabetes or chronic condition like that health systems. Use it to find those people and then they can enter them into special assistance programs. That might give them a bit of extra help and a study led by researchers out of berkeley found. This system was actively under counting. The health needs of black patients in particular compared to white patients and so the effect of that in practice would be if you had a population of patients and we're trying to select some extra help. Black patients who medically had the same needs as white patients who had complex health needs. The black patients would kind of be the fact of the line and you they might not get that special assistance and the reason for that turned out to be. The system was looking at billing and insurance costs as a measure of how sick a person but billing doesn't actually measure how is just measures. How many times they go to the doctor and many treatments they get given and because of historical disparities in the us health system. Black patients with a particular made typically get less treatment and incur fewer costs than white patients with the same conditions. And so this was an example of how the data you put into one of these automated or is systems can make a huge difference to what you get out of it. And if you don't think carefully about what you're putting in you know you may be acting on garbage recommendations without realizing it and to be clear the sepsis study we're talking about is not specifically about racial disparities. It's it's about identifying problems where there may not have been problems for certain patients. It's all part of this larger sort of concern that some folks have now at assist. Researchers data scientists about the kind of data sets were using to inform what would ultimately like create these ai systems. That's right back to this question of like okay. Well how do we measure what's effective and we should remember that. Does you know so much. Potential hit to use automation on our. Them's to improve healthcare and even to use these systems to reduce inequities in health. So early. this year. I wrote about a study on so far. The analyzes x rays for arthritis and the study found that this system was actually less biased than the human doctors of reading these x-rays there's a patent enough right as where radiologists look black patients x-rays and white patients x rays. They're more likely to see problems on the white patients xrays. Because of traditions in how radiologists have been trained based on data from white populations and in this case the was kind of fitting in a blind spot it was able to see patterns of disease in xrays of black patients that the conventionally trained human experts were missing example of how how technology can be really valuable and it's a reminder of why epic and others work on this stuff 'cause this the so much Positive potential all right. Let's take a quick break and when we come back we're going to talk more about how artificial intelligence is being used for your own personal health. Care what interferes with your happiness is something preventing you from achieving your goals if so better help can assess your needs and match you with your own. Licensed professional therapist connect in a safe and private online environment. It's so convenient. You can start communicating in less than forty eight hours. It's not a crisis line. it's not self help. 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That's better help. H. e. l. dot com slash wired. Welcome back everyone. We just talked about how artificial intelligence can cause complications in hospitals but is also a growing part of how were using our own personal internet connected devices at its i o development last month google announced an ai powered dermatology tool. You can just take a picture of that. Weird mole on your skin uploaded and algorithms will tell you if you have anything to worry about. That's the idea anyway in reality. It's not so simple now. Tom you worked on another story. This week about google's ai powered dermatology service. What's the skinny on that. I see what you did them like this. That this is one of the cavalcade of new announcements made goo and i thought it was one of the most interesting because it pinpoints this fantastic potential future of medicine right. If this technology gets really good maybe we could just give the technology to consumers and you have on your phone or watch or whatever and it will tell you. If you'll say call you have a problem without you. Having to and see a specialist and that's kind of almost four. Google showed off. It showed a demo of app. Where if there's something on your skin you're not sure what it is and it doesn't fly away when you wave your hand you can pull out your fun. Take three photos and upload google and google. we'll come back with a list of what it calls suggested. Conditions things that might be and this follows a handful of studies that google published on algorithms that can detect different skin problems. Problematic moles things that and then those studies. Google shown that technology could rival board-certified dental gist at recognizing these things and so the potential of having an app is is is very intriguing but it's very preliminary and so we still waiting for somebody tells them how will be rolled out. I assume it works differently on different colors of skin. Yes thank you very good question. Google has been criticized for not having a good representation of different skin tones in the previous studies. It has published and that has caused some people to worry a bit about. This new app knows being pushed out to consumers as maybe as soon as later this year however the company says that the data sets in its published. Studies don't represent its latest and greatest stuff and they say they've been working on making it work full time just tons or the hem released a lot of specifications on day. John exactly how widely it's been tested about something to wait and see about so at the top of the show. I mentioned my apple. Watch to us for some health tracking and it seems like every time apple rolls out a new health tracking feature. It comes with lots of disclaimers like this is not a diagnostic tool. And if you think something's seriously wrong you should call the doctor right. Basically they don't wanna be totally liable for this health app. And i'm wondering first of all if google has put out any kind of caveats disclaimers around this this skin identifying application also wondering what this is going to do to people who are already probably a little bit predisposed to diagnosing themselves with a deadly disease within six clicks. Like if i use this app am. I gonna like just going to be cancerous in my mind. I'm also wondering those things Lawrence o. in google's demo there's a disclaimer on the results after someone has their photos analyzed. Somebody suggested conditions a diagnosis. And i think a couple of other disclaimers as well as you know. This is not a substitute for going to the doctor. But this is a new app and it also comes with some presentation that might encourage people to think. It is some kind of super expert. You know so. When we will present i owe. It was mentioned that. This app was pony. Motivates a by a lack of skin specialists worldwide people to go to their problems. And you know the company also pointed to its result. Saying is technology could be more accurate than a dermatologist. And so there's a lot of open questions about how consumers are going to think about this when it's in the hands of his reputation for being really great. Ai maybe some people will think they should trust this thing to help them make a decision about their own health. That's something that is spoken to. It'll be concerned about what sorts of ethical concerns arise. when you're taking these medically sensitive photos and handing them over to google for processing. I mean these aren't like cat picks. No they're very personal when they could be on very personal parts of your anatomy. I don't believe. Google has released much information about how it would handle. Those photos has said that the app is so far approved for use in the european union. But not in the us. So i guess that would mean. The trial starts in the u. They have gdp and other privacy protections. But i would expect the google gonna say something like you know. We encrypt everything in transit. We delete it after we process it but it is another step. You know along the constantly slippery slope of lots and lots of new tech. It does great things you have to share data with a big company to use of it. That's a good segue to another question. Tom and you've been doing some reporting on this. Which is this move towards on device. It's a phrase. We hear a lot particularly in the world of ai. Companies like google and apple and others have said they're starting to take some of these machine intelligence functions that normally require sending a bunch of data to the cloud processing it and sending it back to the end user and instead doing some of this processing this intelligent computing on the device itself. Which i in theory is supposed to keep information more private right. So is this something that ultimately could run quote unquote on device. And how private is that really. That's a great question. Could it run on the vice. Maybe i think google apple of both worked pretty hard to be up mobile hardware and software. So they can process photos using machine errands on the device. So yeah i guess we could see got the way. Yeah google apple in particular have been talking a lot about pricing data on device knowing the cloud. And there's one way of looking at where it's just a great thing if you will go to have your data process by our them. Yeah kind of fit. Maybe feels better if that happens in your pocket and not on someone else's computer way you don't quite know what's going on but some privacy scholars say that. That's kind of a narrow wave thinking about privacy. If apple is processing your data on your iphone which it controls and is super secure. Then that's send the keeping data confidential is between you and apple and the iphone. But that isn't how some people think about privacy for some scholars. Privacy is a broader set of freedoms from being washed so for companies watching every single thing. You do online maybe around your house through a small device just because they don't tell other people about it doesn't mean that you don't feel watchdog surveilled and so one way of thinking about on device. Trend is that it could be a way to sugar coat. The general trend which is the every aspect of your life becomes enmeshed in a mobile ecosystem. Run by big company. I'm not just something to bear in mind next time you hear company talk about the benefits of on the voice all right. Let's take a quick break. And when we come back we'll do our recommendations five years ago felix gray realize. Our eyes weren't meant to look at screens all day and design glasses to make daily screen time more comfortable and the workday more productive felix. Gray lenses filter fifteen times more blue light that can make screen time tough on is and disruptive to sleep felix gray offers classic frame styles made from acetate hand finished for durable lightweight and really comfortable pair of glasses. Blue light lenses comes standard starting at ninety five dollars or at your prescription at checkout starting at one hundred forty five dollars if you can feel your screen time or if you're not sure of blue light glasses are right for you start with the best in blue light try felix gray with their thirty day money back guarantee. There's nothing to lose. But i strain get yourself. A pair of glasses made for the twenty first century and designed for modern hardworking is go to felix gray glasses dot com slash for the best blue light glasses on the market. That's f. e. l. i. x. g. r. a y. glasses dot com slash wired free shipping. Free returns free exchanges felix. Gray glasses dot com slash wired. All right mr. Tom simon. I you are the guest this so you get to go first. What's your recommendation. Thank you for the owner mike. My recommendation is a novel called. No one is talking about this by patricia. Lockwood who is a poet and also one of the funniest people on twitter. And i guess kind of annoying talented. 'cause she's a great novel The main character is she's an internet influence. I guess but in the book She doesn't use twitter or anything. You recognize everyone's on something called the portal. She online famous for posting a question that went viral canada dog be twins and the book. The book follows her as she wrestles with ups and downs and paradoxes anxieties of life online. Which i in a very relatable way in a way that sort of captured some of the essence of the internet in a way that. I haven't read a little litter. The mystery show that does it and the book also sort of is what happens when a very flying family crisis comes along and she has to deal with that while also maintaining her internet existence. It's pretty good rate It's like a it's like a plot ripped from today's non headlines from today's calendar events. It sounds like a plot ripped from a taylor. Lawrence story in the new york times. Sounds really wonderful though. It's very reliable and actually touches on it touches on on a couple of points. The the problem you identified and you'll excellent recent feature lauren. The problem is not so chummy known as the miscarriage problem at tech companies where they do thing like. Hey remember this post. Remember this photo and may not be something that you actually wanted to remember. That comes up. A couple of times adds to the realness. Nice the name of the book one more time. No one is talking about this guy. Patricia lockwood lauren. What's your recommendation. My recommendation is also a book by a woman writer. It's called girlhood and it's by melissa feebis who is a wonderful writer. This is not her first book It's a collection of essays. It's basically about this social conditioning. That starts to sort of effect women when they're girls and how. It changes the way that girls perceive themselves and how they're sort of conditioned to believe that they're supposed to act in certain society and how it just affects our whole experience growing up and melissa herself. It just seems like such an interesting person. She super interesting background She at one point was a heroin addict. She is a now recovered. She was a dominatrix in new york. City She did all of this before she got her. Mfa and became a writer. She wrote another book at one. Point called abandoned me which is about loss and abandonment Also incredibly emotional. It's a collection of short pieces. Right it is a collection of essays. But i'm already just really immersed in it and it's it's really really powerful and she such a powerful writer that i i highly recommend checking it out nice mike. What's your recommendation. This week weird. It's not a book we could. You could attack tack on last minute. No no i got one all picked out. Okay everything i do. I do extensive research and decision making before they make recommendations of the show. I know it doesn't seem that way. But that is actually what happens okay. So what's your recommendation. okay i want to recommend an album It's i don't do this very often but it's of music. I want to recommend the new album by the brazilian artist. Save you that. C. e. u. she's brazilian. She sings in portuguese sometimes in english but mostly in portuguese. The new album is called a pico. And it's the portuguese spelling of that. So it's like a c. u. s. t. i. Ico it's an album. That's all acoustic versions of her songs. So it's kind of like a greatest hits album. She's got six or seven albums at this point in her career and she goes back and sing some of her most beloved songs but she does it with just her voice and an acoustic guitar It's a pandemic album. Normally she records the full band She has these really intricate arrangements. That makes electric sounds and live band. sounds and that's what you would normally expect from an artist like say you but this album is just her voice and a guitar and it's fantastic. It's like a a redesignation of everything that she's done at this point in her career I'm recommending it. Because she's an amazing singer. An amazing songwriter. A really great gift for like pop melodies also like touches of of on guard throughout her music. but she's not really well known elsewhere in the world. You know like she has maybe one hundred thousand streams or or ten thousand streams on spotify for most of retune. so she's not like a superstar but She's absolutely fantastic. And not enough. English speaking people know about her and know about brazilian music in general so she sort of great serve path into what's going on in modern day brazilian pop world so that's my recommendation acoustic echo by the brazilian artist. Cu that sounds good. Can you Some of it for us. I could but i'm not going to adding the summer playlist. All right well thank you off your recommendations. Those were great and of course tom thanks for joining us and telling us about a in healthcare is family and thank you listening. If you have feedback you can find all of us on twitter. Just check the show notes. This show is produced by boone ashworth. 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1270: "Twindemic"

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1270: "Twindemic"

"Flood the zone. J. C. D., Adam Curry John's Devora after August twentieth twenty twenty. This is your award winning Nation Media Assassination Episode Twelve hundred seventy this is no agenda. Cock in the Noodle Dan Broadcasting Live from opportunities thirty three here in the frontier of Austin Texas capital of the drone star state. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon Valley, where have eight cars effort things are under control went right on time right? Same into rights being I'm John Tomorrow. Do whatever you did. There was great. We did Zephyr report in an opening all at the same time. That my friends is a professional. What's going on there? Okay. So we're Konami stable. This is the official school. That's what the suffer says this Zephyr report yeah. There's efforts are leading indicator. Thanks. Thanks for. Thanks for reminding us of that and we got breaking news in this morning breaking news last minute news because I've got some breaking news coming out as right now. At this, right we got We'd ready to repeal that yet. Here we go. Okay. Break the breaking news this former trump advisor Steve Bannon has been arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud in relation to support of the building the border wall. So this is charged with fraud in connection with fund racing. Okay. That's what we've got to report for you as of right now. I. Actually details there did they haul them away and encouraging cuffs they give him the PERP Walk I. Don't know I. I need to know why who arrested him. Someone in authority. The. Men. S must be. So question about the power out there where you are I mean we're seeing reports but and it's like I. Don't Know How bad is it? I don't know his powers on here. It's not going on know ports. You guys get from out of state or seemed very sketchy. Threats or we're going to have to do this and that because it's so hot you know we can all the heat right and then newsome says he's GonNa sue them and take take their company away if they don't. Stop. These threats. Yeah, and so it's just I don't know I have no idea. All I. Know is the power is a hierarchy. That's weird. I mean I did get one email from producer who said his powered been out for three hours and it was like ninety degrees. So somewhere is happening. Somewhere. In in your in your they said they were gonNA. Do some rolling blackouts to keep you read the letter from the engineer the last show. Yeah which might be worth re-reading but the they said there's going to be and it's going to be from they're gonNA go. You're going to be cut off for a couple hours and then you're going to get a role to somebody else. So nobody's GonNa be Leftover Nicer. So their freezer. Doesn't you know saw me doubt. Well. I. Do have an she'd look yes they do have a map. They do have a map on the news that the show and it shows little red dots were the power has been cut off. As tested in San Jose area and scattered around. Its dubious well. Another as falling apart good. Yes. got another email from. An engineer's last time we heard from G. G. E. Engineer. Now, we have an engineer from La Dwp, which is the Los Angeles Department of Water and power. And like that, any says a working operations. California has barred US utilities from quote re powering. Powering tearing down the old units putting in new efficient fast units in analogy would be California preventing you from junkier nineteen eighty Dotson and buying a camera allows you to buy a Model X. P. Sport Ultra, which only runs in the daytime. That means we can't get rid of our older inefficient boilers generators, which better you were with better units because we still need them to use in the summer months to peak load the idea is to force us to buy create more here it is renewable electricity. The joke of it all is that to meet reliability requirements more solar and wind. We have online the more traditional reliable eunice we must have. We know this because the minute it goes down. Something else needs to kick in quickly to take up the slack. So if there's no win, no son, the other option to meet reliability. Is To buy energy on the energy. Market. Hello. Enron buffet is making a killing in Nevada selling California here this buffet is making a killing cal Nevada selling California energy capacity. Capacities like an option contract by the contract says, if I can call on energy at any time, you have to deliver it to me. Those are the most lucrative energy deal since ninety nine percent of the time. The seller makes money and doesn't have to generate any energy and in the one percent of the time at energy is called upon it sold at two times premium if not more what a scam. So you're buying from Nevada. How's that Nevada juice feel? Unbelievable I want I, need that letter a letter to put put the. Post on one of their websites. Okay. Anonymously. Obviously. Yeah I don't know you know the fine. Don't need to have a personality attributed because the facts are the facts. Then, I got another request from Colorado. From Serb Beach Bomb Adam John I wanna let you know that today Wednesday the Nineteenth Colorado would clouded up and rain sporadically. We have three major fires raging in the state. It has been dry in the upper nineties for at least two weeks it's forecast more the same for the foreseeable future. We really could use one more simultaneous single shake of the rain sticks. This desperate plea how can we turn this now? I didn't do a shake. You just do the thing you did before. Okay. Because it rained a little bit. I will do to shakes just me. We are very careful. There's a lot of things going on weather. Wise. So here we go. And the second. That should hit it right on the back end. Okay. There you go. Business taken care of. Excellent. and. We'll. She we start. We WanNA do. We still want to do a little covid update before we get into undoubtedly some fun stuff. From. I have I have I know fun stuff. There is I do have Kaley get some trump i. guess some of the stuff but I take us to do Cova Update. Okay. Why do I have? There's a number of stomach. Give you the rundown on what I'm hearing First of all trump goes up and he says Oh everything's gray the numbers are going down everything loose peachy and it's the way it should be, and then you listen to Amy Goodman all hell's breaking loose. We're all GonNa die is worse than ever. To be a ground of actual facts sounds about right. Well, there's a lot going on. Of course, with these numbers in the testing, just to give you an idea. We had this huge spike in Texas last week and we were of course all going to die and it was all my goodness what Well it turns out. The. Hi, Spike and to read it verbatim. Dallas County Director of Health and human. Services Dr Phil. Excuses for the glaring errors which are being used to shudder certain businesses through Texas. We are dealing with paper faxes of lab data, lab reports, hundreds of those days of day that we're having to deal with the system really wasn't designed to handle this many numbers all my God, a system that has to handle numbers. It's an unprecedented situation we're dealing with it, turns out. That their system was going through an upgrade you see. An upgrade. To be. Specific. Due to system upgrades and coding errors were there reporting system? It was I. think it was like five or six thousand and you see the chart all sudden spike in immediately all we gotta go into lockdown again. and. Now they finally come clean and say I s Ra just something. And now, of course, today we get Texas Kurna Virus positivity rate plummets after record highs set from era. We now officially, the United States, the United States now has more pneumonia deaths than covid nineteen deaths or at least as they're coded. Denver doctors have. discovered. That the forty to fifty percent reduction in heart attacks. During this whole affair, the biggest since the beginning of the year is because those people died at home. Very sad to think of, but they didn't want to come in. So they all died at home. And now they're discovering these numbers. Aw Gee, maybe maybe none of this was such a really fantastic idea after all. and. I guess we have. Make, this not really a prediction. This is an obvious I would say But In. About four or five years especially after trump is out for good. Books about this and they're going to break it down and show that this was the biggest fiasco in the history of medicine. To show that all crap here because we've already documented on the show in real time but nobody's putting into book form. You mean nobody's doing the work. Nobody's doing the work. And they won't do the work in the publishers won't that anyone do the work because this is all part of a to me. These two messaging system when it's all reanalysed for the purposes of history is going to be shown to be. It's GonNa be really very it's going to be embarrassing ask. All we. Know. It. If you know somebody who died and you had a very specific question about vaccines amongst hospital, well, doctors I think you said and I said, well, hospital workers you know they're not exempt from getting the vaccine and you said, you think that they just kind of do a little wink wink nudge nudge I sign your form, you sign my form. Yes one response so far so far. A hospital worker please let John know these are done in a large room with eight to ten people administering vaccines each with a laptop each recording it into the database no fudging no shot no work we will be the guinea pigs. However in Germany, one of our producers who will remain anonymous as I wanNA counter before the do go onto Germany. One. Responsive. How does that work though with people who are out in the sticks? I don't know when there's two doctors offices in a small town right now. I, think that that would probably be easy to do. And then you take one of those doctors and then he goes into the big city and he's got his papers I. Think you also have a lot of doctors who really buy into John. It seems that way. We'll see some sure there's plenty of the lots of stuff. So but is planning doctors and obviously don't buy into those ones are taken off youtube. Correct. Germany actually in many EU countries in May actually be I I remember the Netherlands having the have what's called a vaccine passport is literally called vaccine. It was there when I was living there. So it's not like something new, but it is kind of interesting at this point. that the term passport is coming into vogue the way it works is you have kind of like a like a cardboard report card folds out in on the inside it has all these different entries to put it. Okay. This vaccine that vaccine that vaccine vaccine, whatever the kid needs throughout the kid's life and adult life, and as proof next to each of those vaccines is a sticker from the bottle. That the vaccine was administered from as a proof of basically proof of purchase proof of receipt that you've received this into your system. And one of German producers says, my wife's a doctor in a neighboring country to Germany and caught another doctor taking the proof of vaccine stickers from common childhood vaccines such as MMR and bringing them into Germany. I think there's going to be A. There's going to be maybe a little black market going on a vaccine stickers. That's one way of going. Yeah. and. I can understand why there's now a law mandating vaccines in German schools. If you you actually if you want to go then you have to have the. Have to have the vaccine when it's available when it's available is the big question. On, a podcast which I couldn't find quick enough to clip it claims. Russia's vaccine. Claim of efficacy is bogus. So, I guess we need to get to the MODERNA guys moving a little bit faster. Got A rock and roll. And We have before it gets to the therapeutics is very clear where we're going to take a next. The news media has already been notified in fact in the supercup, which one of our producers put the super cut together. it's hard to do super cuts actually and tighten it up a little bit just to make it somewhat snappier. So he recorded all of these himself and I think that's very cool. Except the actual topic, what we're looking forward to is not so cool well as the battle against covid nineteen continues, it's also time to get ready for flu season and this year there are concerns about a possible twin dimic they're calling it a potential twin democ, the coronavirus pandemic still going strong at the same time flu season is approaching and new term. You could be hearing more this fall twin DEMOC and she says the earlier we get our flu shots the less likely will end up in a twin the earlier you get that shot the sooner you have immunity this year what the cove in nineteen pandemic expected to coincide with flu season doctors say the concern over possible twin DEMOC. To get the flu vaccine do you know the term twin dynamic? It's what they're calling eight twin DEMOC. So Tomlin twin AMAC is exactly how it sounds I want to ask you more but it's twin Democ a new word that we just make this up or have we experienced are used the term democ in the past as far as I know I think it's made up. So especially coined for what we're going through but but it's coined I think based on the Latin for where the pandemic from so. What Yeah Yeah, that was interesting. And I left that in there for for us to discuss what does she mean does that mean? Latin for twin guests is Gemini. Or something but there's kyw Mira could chimera which could you mean Mira know what she means is he's a moron. Thank you for I'm thinking way too high level. How so She's full of crap. There's what's Latin got to do with taking the word twin for two and adding the second half of the were pandemic to damage or epidemic that whatever you want use. Maybe she's talking about the DEMOC. Part. May Have. Latin. BOOT but. No. No matter we did get an interesting and show possibility. I, think it's made up. Possibility you'll. Have One would throw it out I. have a supple several if you want to do that if you want to check. It might as well. Okay. What do you get? I, got stealth. Stealth per stealth totally stealth. Oh the trump talking about the F thirty five. Let me see what Oh soo I have I have. This one data is our friend. I have this one. I'm not serious about what I'm doing. Then, I think probably one of the better ones Donald trump is stealing the election. Okay thinking. Okay, now, so we have the twin deb and coming up, and this is an obvious push for more. Don't forget children. You think that you're going to wait for the. Cove nineteen vaccination Oh. We have a bottom line we have shareholders we need you to still go out and get your flu shot supply is said to be very healthy this year in fact, many companies have been ramping up production there could be as many as fifteen percent more supply millions more doses that have been produced by vaccine drug developer's just to meet the demand that is expected. Doctors and pharmacies are expecting higher demand and vaccine makers are increasing production some up to fifteen percents. So we do expect there should be sufficient supply one more reason to get your flu shot. Early, Dr Wheeler said is to avoid the clouds. It is one thing you cannot do remotely. Get it done early and avoid the lines not only our flu shots already available at many pharmacies. Some like CVS are letting you do all the paperwork online. So you just show up with your mask on, get your shot and help prevent another airborne virus from. Old Vaccine will becoming available within the next few weeks in places like Louis drug in high pharmacies or even offering drive up flu shots. Go Get your shots kids we got we got a quarter to make we can't have. I'm sure they saw Denver's not say one thing about the fact that if we're all gonna walk around these masks time, the flu season should very mild. Well all what I still do anything. They're going to keep you from getting the flu. Here's here's how I'm tying the two together. They launched the made up word twin DEMOC. It's not a medical term that was admitted. So they launched that. They say literally, you'll probably be hit by stop stop. A WHO's they go to? The News, the news people you just heard in that clip. That, and then the second thing is I'd like to know the genesis of this psalm. One person you interrupted me as I was about to tell you but you have it. Okay. I'd because I know it's so obvious. Again. If you listen to the clip, you hear them say, Oh, you're going to hear new. Oh boy, this is a word jeep. These were all local stations start to start to ring any bells. This is a by this is a media buy they came they made up the word twin democ because they need to sell the current vaccine twin dynamic. You GotTa get both one's not good enough fine. You can say this I agree that somebody did this but it's not just a generalized they. That's person is a one far Pharma Company Well, I, don't know which one farm. was with a lot of good ideas s exactly. This is just like the find out who it is. Who makes the flu vaccine is a couple of the there. Well, that's a good question says, we've dropped the ball on the flu vaccine. Oh you let me see. No fee guide be wanted them. It's got to be one of their PR ages. I. Here's what I think is going about the sort of thing this twin praise somebody is itching. Because I know these guys. Somebody is itching to be found out and take credit for this term. Okay. Maybe maybe FAO shield and I haven't heard those guys say it's this much. This is not a medical term that creative he can't even say. Shut key is the man that says you gotTa go out and you've gotta you've gotta get your flu vaccine. This is this isn't industry issue. I'm sure they're flimsy. Over the next three months. Myself. Three months give myself longer right to find these Zach person who came up with this bullcrap good to be parole. Okay. Well They're doing it Here's what they're doing Massachusetts a flu shot will be required for all students in Massachusetts the Department of Public Health, just announcing this that all children from the age of six months to those enrolled in college must receive an influence a vaccine by December thirty first in order to attend school in January. Exemptions apply students with medical or religious reasons, and those who are home schooled and higher education students who are completely off campus state health officials say this new requirement is an important step to reduce flu related illnesses and the overall impact of respiratory illness during the covid nineteen pandemic. Never let a crisis go to waste. Let's push it with. This is Marie. Did she say that? Almost WanNa, hear that whole thing again because I, think she said that this includes students who are not on campus and there ought to stick someplace. Else. In order to attend school in January, exemptions apply to students with medical or religious reasons, and those who are home-schooled and higher education students who are completely off can. Be So. Say this new requirement, an important step to reduce flu related illnesses and the overall impact of respiratory illness during the covid nineteen pandemic. Of the the Goldman Sachs. Back in two, thousand, nine or ten, the Goldman Sachs medical financial conference where all the everyone was there saying vaccines it's the future you're making people buy something when they're not sick and look at all the vaccines were now kids are up to sixty or seventy. Four before they're before, they're even teenagers. And this is a big big moneymaker, this flu vaccine. This is big big money. So they need to have people not sitting around waiting and at the same time kind of you know, get them all primed and pumped for for the Co. vaccine. And so they time together twin dynamic. All twin this no evidence scientific. It's just crazy. Okay now. What we do have is Saudi Arabia. Safety outcome of the their their hydroxy chloroquine zinc's approved therapeutic protocol for outpatients. I've immerse I've ever message Ivermectin. IV E.. R. M. E. C. T. I. N.. This is also something that's been on the market forever and could have a similar effect to the hydroxy chloroquine. You still need the zinc and your. No this is the is this instead of. Instead of the Z, pack I think. It's just more. More options coming out the most entertaining. Is Certainly, the one that the my pillow founder CEO Mike Lindell. Tried to promote and and why I don't think he really needs to promote it. But try to get some attention for to save, people's lives. It is. Made by a company called Phoenix Biotechnology it's only Andrew extract, which is I think a flower so it's yeah, it's. It's basically and there's all kinds of proof of that working or people who believe it's not an FDA thing it's like a supplement. It could. It could be what Alex Jones sells for all I know but he believes it. He got I guess Ben Carson to take a look at it and Carson said, then Carson has some credibility. Yeah it looks like. That's the real deal and he's he invested in the company to help them and is on the board I. Think this guy does come from a good place, but he knows how to sell stuff on television when he has control of the message not when you go on Anderson Cooper and you don't have a medical background, you're not a scientist unlike Dr Bill Gates you're claiming this substance which has not been studied in any meaningful way can cure cove ed and you have a financial stake in the company you would profit from it if this is being sold widely. Morally right. Really Anderson you mean like. US paying the vaccine companies in advance and they're still going to go make money for it morally morally. Is that right Anderson Morally. Please just love you have no credentials non. Now, there is no peer reviewed study. There is a pre print which you know when it was a preprinted. Vaccine everybody was all jacked in Judy but now it's Lyndale is like a trump guy. I was contacted on Easter Sunday trae. told the whole country to pray up for the answer for this pandemic and the Great Administration has has had me anything. I hear all their job whether it be good sanitizer. Here's or anything to bring it back to the task for us. So this guy called me on Easter, Sunday and city had an answer to the virus and I reached out to my friend Secretary Carson who's on the task force and he's a doctor and he looked into got everything from the company and he said this is the real. It's been tested by over thousand people to be safe medical. Services wait a minute. It's up. Let's up. There's no public peer reviewed studies about this. There's no other. There's no other incidents. That have been published anywhere. The their safety tests that was done in two thousand sixteen for over a thousand people that safe to take it a physician. Where's the? Where's this study? The study or report out is is one report from the university. Of Texas that was a prepaid prince study and that was only being cells in a in a test to. Know there's been there's been human studies absolutely human studies. where? The where They. Don't you love this. So why are they publicly reviewed out there? Why aren't they been pure reviewed while the thousand people are out there I don't know if you can't find it. I'm not I'm not a medical doctor I just know that Ben Carson on the task for he brought it to the president going. Carson has in the past been paid to promote supplements and got in trouble for it back into. So he has a track record on that. You're you're telling people that this cures ovid. You have no studies to prove it and you're saying. When Old? People that it was safe. That's all. I need. Sir. Seen, this past. Taking. This. To my friends and family. This thing works the miracle. Assert, you said you've seen this test where is it? So poor Mike and what was he thinking? Just makes no sense. Yeah I know what he was thinking very self confident self made million billionaire for all I know and he from pillows and sales pitches and he's not no agenda listener he's naive he went on there thinking they're going to help him promote this. Good for mankind you know herb what and he got. The rug pulled out for monitoring because he was he wasn't thinking. He had no knowledge to to Dobie. Better. He needs suggest sorry for guys who food get ambushed by the media. I mean, he I thought he would have a little more savvy than to let himself get ambush like that. But he it's futile. It's futile. It's futile because a totally few few type. Stralia has made any new. Zealand that made. This leapfrog over a whole bunch of stuff we've already been through and they're going straight to where it counts they will be strong I suspect the majority straddling. So we'll get vaccinated, and then there will be a strong public view That is who choose not to get vaccinated need to. Then needs to be some sort of. Incentive stick perhaps through the current programs including Niger. No pay. To make that happen. So I think that is a very reasonable interpretation of what the pay had to say today. Again. Specific things like nothing go into restaurants not being. Nationally. Screwed road they got the incentive stick. The. Incentive. To you get a tattoo of the number and don't run your forearm and don't you dare. Vaccination number don't you dare think Hugh Slaves of the prison colony don't you think you can get away with it? The feds everywhere. Police are preparing to launch they aerial arsenal as part of a crackdown on covert rule breakers high powered drones won't. Find people not wearing masks and cars too far from home. The next week Victoria police dispatch drones. Beekeeping. Awad on cuter and Port Milton h making sure skate parks and playgrounds remained empty and for those who hit the park a mask is must or at least a face covering delusive also been using drones to guard the New South reporter. There's no escaping high-powered areolas. No it could be flown for seven kilometres. The camera is infrared and it's so clear. It can raid vehicles number place from five hundred macy's why doesn't really bother me I'm doing the right thing say who died? I have nothing to hide I'm a rule follower don't worry about me, and of course, these drones are manufactured in China. How? Season Databank home you know about rule followers to all this bull crap about the schools. And we know a couple of teachers here. And they they always there's no plan what I keep hearing. There's no plan we don't have a plan. They expect some plan to come down and be created for the. Jewish. School. This School class. This is what I'm realizing. that. Sadly many teachers today don't have the skills or the creativity to come up with a plan. They are rule followers. Okay. Got My curriculum got magoo Google classroom got chromebooks. Here's what I do a follow, and that's it's been forced that way through initiatives such as common core but also. Common tarred. And just they don't have the capacity to put a there's no entrepreneurial spirit by these people. I just don't think they have it. It's not what they do anymore. They don't think there's no box to think out of there just ain't it sitting in it all the time. Tell us what to do. We need the plan and that plan needs to come from the administrators. The administrators to I don't know governor you gotTa Plan. Blaming, trump for, but he's not he's busy every school is different. It's happened initiative. I don't think that I don't think the kids to. This no more initiative follows the Romanians particular. Yeah. Well, I man I had some good conversation with the millennials. I have a front seat some stuff, which is fantastic. But You know these kids they come out of school. Whether they go to college up at the College of the worst and you know it's like a college degree. Here's your thirty, five thousand dollars a year job to the disillusion they've got debt. They don't hate they hate the system because they don't know how to get in it. They don't know how to do anything with this is politics is not easy to get into politics and it's so corrupt the so much money. Flying around, and that's just a capitalist system. Somehow they believe something else will be better. So they're just saying you know what I'll give in but the only way that kids today can participate in the political process through celebrity celebrities on social media they see the whole DNC I saw lots of celebrities clearly, they must be influencing something that's my way. That's the way to be something in this world be like them. That would be that would account for the instagram celebrities. Exactly. Just a fraction of the what we would call at least a old fogies would call real celebrities. Yes. Old fogies I three other things I learned from the from the millennials I'm I'm going to do a little rundown every couple of. With him okay. So I've got one. The number one song in the country number one video anywhere is. Maybe number one in many countries is Cardi B.. which I send you the clips, you can take a look at it. Yeah it's gross. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the millennials. I would say is comes as close to being. Satanical and disgusting. As anything I've ever seen it as a that's actually not taken down. Almost. Even allowed me I. Mean it's just it's just it's just something about it as makes your skin crawl. Well the lyrics are quite interesting meal. If you if you eat my ass, you're a bottom feeder I mean there's a lot of weird stuff in there, but the millennials to female millennials. said to me Yeah I you know. What's the difference between this and the crap we've been hearing for male rappers for twenty years. Then I had no answer to that because it's just as bad just as bad. In its what the kids want man the kids want this crap it's deranged. Male or female that's what they want. Actually, my favorite from the millennials. Was I said, what do you think's going on with? The USPS Postal Service. They know exactly what's happening this is trump. And for a better day, do trump won. They didn't even say it's about the election. That's what so. Not at all this is about trump he wants to privatize the Post Office that that horrible man that's so capitalist of him and they have a plan to help save the post office and they said in unison by stamps. What? In order to save the post office, the millennials are telling each other to go buy stamps. I don't think it'll become standing. That just tickles me pink man I. Love that place five stamps. Then a final I think final piece of data I have on the changes in work have is a buddy of mine who's in Dallas, has his own it firm and he does all it stuff for. For large companies and I was talking to said, well, what are the changes you're seeing? And the first thing you said is that Every. Company that he is servicing right now is in the process or is already reduced their real estate portfolio by forty percent. Forty percent in anticipation of having a huge comb workforce. In place, they already have that in place, of course. Interesting the the remaining real estate they have will be increased. Wait you're not talking about residential then. I'm talking about offices companies with offices. I'm sorry that's what I meant to the company's. Real estate, but you mean. Yes in a in the what I said is these companies they have reduced their real estate portfolio by forty percent. What they're also doing is they're reconfiguring what they have left and all you know where you had like a two hundred, two hundred space that's now going to to seventy, five or three hundred. For now, I used to give a speech in the nineties. About, telework in a point, they changed from telecommuting somebody dreamed there were telework and that's the word you're supposed to use it. When that took place I was giving a bunch of these speeches talking about how these offices are stupid and what's the point and all the rest of it. and. I gave the speech for so long promoting telework that actually stopped giving his speech because it nothing was happening it wasn't going to happen, and now because this, it seems to be re energized this whole notion to the point where they actually taking action. Does. Is a disaster. Well, I asked him very specifically about the human aspect of it and the and the performance aspect. So, the human aspect he says, it's very interesting. What has happened culturally, it used to be if you're not in the office, you do everything to make sure no one caught you. So you know if you're outside and someone heard a bird Chirp on the conference call like busted, what are you doing? It. So that has now changed where you know there's all kinds of examples of conference call business calls kid comes in Mommy I gotTa Poop you know that kind of stuff and now it's still seeing kind of endearing it's endearing and but he says the pendulum swing so far it's coming back and people will have to professionalize. and. I said, well, how about performance and it's kind of unfair. To ask him how companies measure performance he said well. The call center guys are of course able to measure the performance very very accurately because they have all the data you need to see how things are going with with their with their workers productivity is up is up On call centers and he says the feeling he gets from all his clients in general productivity is up and I said why? His answer was somewhat surprising. He says workers from home are very aware that their companies are tracking them when they log in what you know what they're doing, and so it it it acts as an incentive to get your shit done. I thought that was fascinating because it's just another version of the I. Know I know facebook is tracking but look great stuff. I get for free. It's OK. So people are kind of negotiating that a little bit ended in their heads. Again. I go back to my speeches and the Sim Essay wrote for the cosmic. Weenie on the working from home. Yeah. When when people for this I think this is a problem that's not being discussed and wasn't should be discussed. When you first are working from? Home you're always more productive. Because you don't know how to work from home, it's just you're incompetent sure and so you do it. You actually work a little harder. You're more paranoid about you know not cabinets opportunity last very long and all these things. So He'd do you your productivity always goes up. And then it, and then after a while it, we don't know what happens because it hasn't been key kept his long term experiment except for people who are in the field all the time and are used to being working from home, and they know what the how they pace themselves pacing problem or anything it seems to me. Too I've always felt working from home is is is a way to improve productivity and almost any company. Well. Life is so it's not a surprise. No, but this things are gonna change really drastically I think yeah. Well, it's not something about it is. I've kind of changed my mind about to. The idea I think the PEOP-. Used to harp on. Well, there's a team work aspect. You know you got your your work with a bunch of people and you have to work together and his. Most businesses. It's like a team in the you just can't be a team if nobody ever sees. Interesting. Interesting. You say that because the number one immigration, he's doing these days is literally Microsoft teams. Says and those guys they just flooding the market. They're throwing everything in the kitchen sink in there just to have market share. They can't he says anyone who's using slack all startups in startups have they. They're using different pieces they plug it together. You can't get them off slack it's religion, but he says Microsoft teams, they are just flooding the zone and giving away great deals for corporations and they will probably win some version of whatever the you know has zoom I think is probably not a long term stock play unless you're short. I. Don't think that's going to go so well. I liked the idea that you throw a sports term in. because. I heard said dish has been thrown around I've been hearing. It looks to us how much you explain it because you used it. Okay. And not time calling you out or. When you said flooding the zone, what does that mean? Oh. Interesting I think it comes from basketball. I've no idea. No, I have no idea. Whereas football term, it is the football term. Okay. Where you have zone defense and you have some areas that you want to over over protect you flood the zone with extra players. Gotcha. The people have been saying this constantly on TV, and elsewhere zone flooding zone interesting every time I hear it. I'm thinking I. Wonder this get even has a clue ice saying that swell. I can give you a little fun rundown of noodle gun changes made to the See, what is this has to be? Trying to think which which? Which sport is this I guess it's Maybe. Maybe. It's just for. Electron exports. So they're changing terms like auction or draft. To, the draft. That will now be changed salary cap. The price of a player will be changed to salary because of course, you know you can't put a price on a black man's head go back to that. What would you what would start over? Okay. So I'm not sure if these are across the board in sports or someone sent it to me so I don't know I just got it this morning. And it's about changes to vocabulary in the sporting world. So the changes that are have been chained being proposed to be changed and I don't know which sport it is I don't know shit about it, but I have this list. So the old term you talk about drafting a player draft is no longer going to be used it will be salary cap. Price of vote just telling you what it says but then there's two terms are completely discrepant. That's the problem. Price salary cap refers to the overall budget that a team is allotted by the league generally speaking by rule. It's got nothing to maybe maybe maybe maybe I'm misreading that one. But maybe, auction let me because it's draft in parentheses. Auction could that be turned into a salary cap? I have no idea. I had no idea. This is nuts. We live in a crazy age. Let's move on price. I. Think some guys buffalo from Yahoo News Price. Become salary. owner. Or ownership becomes manager owned becomes rostered. Cost becomes average salary. The winning bid you one I this is all for draft stuff becomes signed the bid it becomes an icy the it's taken away all these slave like terms that sick people put together in their head. But these people need to get a therapist while you're going to be watching it on TV. So it's coming no matter what you want. It's all coming everything's changing. then. I wanted to just before we get into some other fun stuff wanted to close the door on this shadow gate for our producers mainly because most emailed link to me very interesting. Of course, how you have this so-called documentary and I think we both agree there's not really anything super new in it. it's it's a a nice compendium of things I like the although no proof I like the idea that the Obama phone was was wrapped up in it. It. You know I have to make a comment. We didn't make and I hate to do it because I don't want to be a sexist. But millennial million or whatever she calls herself is incredibly photogenic. She is she is. And I think millions is really million her whole crew really the producer and everyone around that I think are aren't kind of victims in this and you need to know that. Info, wars and Alex Jones severed all they're all relationships with them two days ago over this documentary. Well I'm. The documentary. Well okay. So so the mean that's out there that even some people who made this documentary, it's not a documentary. They believed that the deep state was trying to stop it from getting out, and that's why they didn't get it out to barely lucky to get it out. Millie got arrested and Alex Jones is deep state and that's why he wants nothing to do with them anymore. That's that's the story and that's what people are believing I. Just want to give you my view I may be wrong but I've done I did quite a bit of work into an background really on two of the players. and. This story. Who is really the main focus of of of the whole video? Now merely just comes from some kind of troubled past she dated apparently the girls Gone Wild Guide Joe Francis. So I don't think we have to say much more that millie may have had some bad experiences and she's probably just a really sweet girl. But I think she's being taken advantage of, and after listening I watched the whole video again, and I listened to two episodes of this Tori T. O. R. E.. And she has a ver you know you try and look into her There's no evidence that she had any NDA's with companies that have expired and therefore she can say all this stuff and everything's, and she had the seth rich server and she didn't have it in the cops one or she's very well-versed in legal terms and likes to say, I'm suing you my lot might legal team is ready. She has lawsuits. City in north. Dakota is still suing over some charity called the. the a magic city Christmas where had gofundme as and pay Powell's, and she didn't have a permit the asked to get a permit she didn't do it She tried to get the bank to sponsor different ends but you're sending out materials with the sponsors logos as if they had agreed to it and you got called on it, and then she tried to run for mayor. There was people protesting her becoming a mayor I have videos of her being a doctor. She's Dr Toray. From Harvard also, she got a purple heart and many other metals in her military service, which is also not verifiable at all. So she just has a whole bunch of stuff going on. Until could pass very checkered past now, she shows up in million life Byron words around February she She's very good at picking up things stream together She's a lot of things she says just are not verifiable true at all. I think she was using this to increase her profile. by the way, she was doing her so-called syndicated radio show. Yeah. She they they played her for free on red state radio. Even those guys kicked her kicked her off they want nothing to do with it because she's rubble. And I also think that she may have somehow manipulated this arrest. She was real well aware aware of the situation with million. Her mother was a domestic disturbance why someone has to be arrested but. She's now she had this whole call on her podcast with mealy and she's crying Mealey's like. And she's I don't WanNa play it what I do WanNa play is her next victim. Next victim. Who she's been grooming and this is all just me I have. No, no evidence whatsoever just my feeling I know people I've been around I've been gifted myself. Now. She sucking up to the new candidate for representative in the in Congress Laura bloomer you need to understand is that Laura, bloomer She's GonNa fix this Qa. She's GonNa fix that. She's going to file a lawsuit and you'll be like well, okay. Letter file a lawsuit against Jack Dorsey whipped. You do. It's not going to be against Jack Dorsey. If, time traveling Tori remembers correctly. Just joking it'll probably be something like Youtube instagram or facebook, and it won't be for like millions of dollars is going to be historic going to be like billions three to five billion and I'll be like, Hey, can I like join and because? I I'd like to buy a house so that I can live right next to you. So we can hang out all the time in Washington DC and you're GONNA be like, but she doesn't live in Washington guess what guys this woman she's going to Congress and I'm going with her. She is going to Congress because she is going to change the world is you know it and you're gonna be like, Tori. That's crazy I. See a lot of things that may sound a little bit off but you know maybe they'll come out and you'll be like up maybe Tori with right. She does a lot of this. Yeah. You know I I started parlour. Got Laura on there now she verify 'cause lower hasn't time to send the email to get me verify this. It's all crap. This is not a whistle blower who worked in some deep deep state operation recruited by the Brennan people herself. As she said, all the things she put were in there I think it probably true. But she's not some magical a magical person who just all sudden comes along and here's this treasure trove. No. No so I'm closing the door on shadow gate. No one else has to contact me about it. It's. It's disappointing. Very disappointing. But I feel bad for mealy and her crew and our producers, her boyfriend and mom and her kids and everybody I. Think this Tori woman is just bad news bad news. But it's interesting that you point out that she's glommed onto Laura Luma who actually made. A move. Yeah something I never expected from her because she was mostly a prankster. And I think she's been around. This is the type of person who who hovers around people. By, the way full name is Tori. myross. Lindemann L.. M. A.. N.. So Yeah Laura won her primary. In Florida she could get in. And She doesn't need. Well the problem that she's GonNa this woman's GonNa. RUN INTO IS THAT ONCE LAURA GETS The Washington and the Professional staffers, she has staffer office. And you don't staff your office with a bunch of hangers on. No. Well, trump did in the beginning I think he learned his lesson to. You get you end up with professionals who who basically are in Washington DC all their lives on different stabs of different congressman and they do they are Democrat group in a Republican group very seldom. Do they crossover although they do that too high the high super high end guys. And they're expensive. She'll get those guys in. There's going to roust her to be the end of that. Let's hope. Anyway, I'm saying this more for the kids who are doing this you know. This woman she saw the budget she did the whole documentary became about her she orchestrated this whole thing. Everything. That's in there. She got the crazy guy who wrote the book twenty years ago she's very good. She's very good but please this is there's a lot to worry about this is not one of them. This is not one of them by the way it was funny. I. Got an email this morning from the marketing director of Cayo. S. Which is the? The. Mobile operating system that powers the flip phone. Which I've been using yeah. You're the big promoter. You're the number, one guy and celebrity motor of. So here's the problem to they got a hold of you. Yeah. I heard you talk her John. Rogan. And you talking about this is fantastic even though we really tried to sell this as. A starter device for people don't have a lot of money just want some basic functionality. We're seeing the value. Thank you seeing the value of this as a detox phone is what they're calling it. And I think I think I've probably sold about one hundred of them on the through the show I think lots of people went out and bought one when I started talking about it. And here comes the downside of our model. Well you know we could hire you as an ambassador unlike no, you can't. You can't. So why not? Because then I'm not credible with any other product I don't know please. No no it's not. It's not right. It's not right. Brother? Hey I'm open to proposals. You have some hybrid kind of way. And know it just feels kind of weird. You know what I'm to talk about the phone on the show and beginning paid for it. That's how you talked about the phone on the show and you talk about that you don't go on and on you already made your point about the phone. I don't think you're going to need to talk about the phone the show but if you wanted to be an ambassador which would be outside the show. or I could. Personally how about this? I could just say, Hey, I don't know man we got producers from all over the place. You. If you want to censor, you want donation to the show you know what to do. The other way of doing it. Either I think that's what the idea the idea of course it's not as I I've gained for that. Yeah. Sure. Ship income. But which is fine with me, but you have to wear the. Thinkin. As a couple of things one for your profile is not a bad idea to be outdoors. Holding a phone. In a TV AD. Or doing something. Promoting the idea kyrie. Okay. Here's the way I would look. Here we go. Yes we're on finite comes to me as I go I know you're genius you're a big huge massive advocate. Of the off the grid lifestyle. What better? Way Than to get paid to do this to a larger audience that is completely outside the show, these are people mostly that will not listen to agenda and you might actually drag few customers. into the no agenda family in the process, it would be a win win win. No one's GonNa give a crap and this nonsense about l.. O. You know this idea that might be able to excuse me anything that I sound like that. Your psyche sound is. Is that I won't be able to promote. No Trust. Me Anymore is nonsense. That will give you this is. The first of all stop, I did not say, no one will trust me. That's not what I said, but that's what you receive. You said something along those lines. I'm waiting. Here's an example what I always, we're always approached this sort of thing I in the in the United States the if your work for publication and you want to and and some coming like Samsung, for example, wants to take you on a junket literally had junket. Maria to look at one of their FABS you're supposed to go through channels and you're supposed to supposed to newspaper. You can't let them pay for anything. This is all part of the new. York Times. Ethics listings can do can't do. And the where but in. Europe. And I found this out during junk in Europe. All I've talked to all the guys that were. Cain other journalists and all these different magazines I know a lot of 'EM, Europe Brits. Mostly Oh that's crazy. Why should why should your company be paying to? Send you all the way to create a look at their factory. They should be sending themselves because it doesn't make any sense. Otherwise you just wasting money to go look at somebody's factory, and then you're supposed to write about it one way or the other. It doesn't make any sense that was the that's the European approach to this same exact. Schlemmer. United States approaches because the New York Times says it's bad and your times can say that because they have a huge budget and they send people all over the place and little newspapers and magazines can't afford to. But they feel obliged not to because they can't afford it and they don't let the company send him. Well, I used to always take these things up and I'd make. A big stink about no you're not paying to send me. Samsung's paying to send me because I'm not getting. Why should you waste your money sending me Korea? So Samson, accents, may I go over there and scathing review some article because? And I always tell other writers they say look you get sent on a junket to someplace you might as well just say what you think because they're never gonNA invite you back because they got you over there one time they're not going to send you a twice so it's not like you're going to all of a sudden beyond their payroll we're going to happen won't. I'm really just. My point you know what my point is. My point is that you can still be honest. And take this embassador ship. Okay. I wish we'd had this conversation years ago when I was offered the Ambassadorship for the Microsoft Zoom. That was that you vocal laugh a little bit sooner than that. I can't believe how long it took for the punchline to hit crap cheese. I heard the words zoom and you realize we. Like Microsoft assume. Said Oh zoo. All right I'll our. Keep the dialogue open will report back. We'll see what happens should be interesting. Hey free phone forever with money in your pocket I. It's like I'm so against money. All right. I think that's about all I have for the for the important updates, but we have a lot more to talk about. and I figure we talked to press conferences or can I do at least? Kayla. You're you're on your baby flood the Zone J. C. D.. I'm. GonNa flood the zone. All right. There was a couple of press. Kaley gave a press conference followed by a trump press conference on I. thought that was peculiar. and. So she comes on and she kaley comes out like in the morning and then trump comes out in the afternoon Saint pressroom same people. I only have to Kaley because one is the opening attack she has she comes on like gangbusters. Nobody asks her a thing about what she says by the way to go on and on about these idiosyncrasies about trump said this or trump said that what did he mean? So but let's listen to her opening her opening this trunk. Kaley opening. Pillow every wine. WHERE IS NANCY PELOSI? The House is in recess. House and Senate. Democrats left town after failing to compromise and make a deal provide relief to the American people while Nancy Pelosi and her colleagues went home. This president remained hard at work president trump took executive action including stopping addictions providing unemployment insurance pausing student loan payments cutting the payroll tax, which put money in the pockets of all Americans. Democrats apparently were unable to stick around to make a deal now suddenly Democrats will be rushing back to Washington but why? The answer the United, states postal service, it's a stunning turn of events. Democrats went home after accomplishing nothing no deal on stimulus checks no deal in small business relief no deal on addiction protections. The concerns of everyday Americans were not the concerns of Democrats on Capitol Hill. So whereas Nancy Pelosi she and her Democrat colleagues we'll be back in Washington soon to pursue their latest manufactured crisis, the Postal Service Democrats denied a ten billion dollar offer for the US Postal Service by this president before they went on recess. But now they're back to pursue the latest Democrat manufactured crisis. It's sad but it's clear. We're Democrats priority stand, and with that I'll take questions. Okay. Well she. By should blame questions he goes on for about. There there is one little caveat I just wanted to place about this executive orders. On The that money that she just said, that was all there is only of states. For it. So they have to actually fill out the form and say, we want this because it falls under different regulations and it's very interesting to see who hasn't has not applied. I think there's Ten or eleven states that have applied Texas. Has Not applied. I'm sure that's a pride thing and south. Dakota also. And that's a GNOME state right. Know what's her name Neum? They also declined to it, which is interesting that the state we really need any federal help we'll be okay and there's quite a few of them. Weird. So. Anyway so she goes to the whole thing is nothing worth a crap and but at the end. We have her leaving. She's this done. She doesn't even berate the media or anything. She just closes her books dance Oh all of a sudden just as she's leaving, you can hear this in his last clip by Heckler on I believe it was a cost of. Cost. Okay he starts yelling I don't know why they allow this. It seems to be amateurs to allow this day trump. It happens to trump to when they're walk in off their start screaming at him they had their opportunity to get a question that didn't get it in they get called on eventually they can ask it eventually. But in this case, we have Kaley closed in the book walking off the stage, and then you hear in the back Jim cost screaming at her and I think it's it's either him or Giancarlo one of the two because that's the voice they have a similar voice. Cost screaming at her as she leaves the room. And you can hear it in seaver. We'll discuss hold on I'm. GonNa make sure I boost. It looks on the way former low so I'll give it a little turbo boost. Here we go. On. Soldiers, Geez. They're still doing the bounties on American soldier story. Yeah. and. The reason I here's what I think. I believe that That was screamed at that point. Because it was loud and was much louder than usual and it got on got on the Air I. believe that's to cover for the fact that Biden is going to mention this in his acceptance speech. To the yeah that would have been a of. Those guys would know? What was could no So they're pretty they're priming the pump meal. They also prime the pump with trump with another question. Was this was fantastic I know exactly what Cunanan non has to be non. Oh. No. I got that you but but let's go but I wanNA play the trump leaving the stage. Okay Trump kind of pulled a Kaley here he. This is the end of the trump then we'll go to Cunanan. To hecklers together. Okay. This is trump presser. Trump slams Obama slams. No. But Slam. She, leaves there's another heckler they hecklers also, I think as either cost or one the other guys, and it will be another point that's a by a debt Biden's GonNa make in the speech virus came in the greatest economy, the history of the world, and now we're doing it again going to have to do it a second time doing it again. Hard, to believe. We're doing very what you heard. The numbers are way way down on the on the virus. But when you look at the kind of numbers that we're producing on the stock markets, we're almost at the level in fact Nasdaq. And S&P are higher than they were. At the highest point prior to the China virus coming in the plague coming in. Now, President Obama did not do a good job and the reason I'm here is because of. President Obama. And Joe. Biden. Because if they did a good job I wouldn't be here and probably if they did a good job, I wouldn't have even run I would have been very happy. I enjoyed my previous life very much but they did such a bad job that I stand before you as president. Thank you very much. I. Get. I couldn't hear I I for some reason I focused on the female voice I could not here now is a guy yelling. Hundred and seventy thousand dead. Now well, that was all over the past few days on the DNC spectacle in hundred seventy thousand Americans. Dead except Michelle Obama because when she pre taped was only one hundred and fifty. So, back to the the trump there's too I got a number of trump commentaries. One is on the F. Thirty Five, which is quick twenty, six second thing and I don't know where he's coming from on this F thirty five but. Most I thought. Somebody at one of our military guys out there. Tell me Song it's a Turkey. Is supposed to be a turn. He's all over it because apparently, the Saudis in the UAE are going to buy Oh crapload of them. He's happy to sell that that Turkey Oh. Yeah. Well let's listen to trump on the F thirty five we're GONNA Cunanan's at the end they would like to order quite a few thirty five since the greatest fighter jet in the world as you know by force stealth. Totally. Stealth. Can't see it. Makes it very difficult. I was asking pilot. What do think is better this one this one that one. Russian plans Chinese plants. He said, well, the advantage we have is you can't see it. So. When we're fighting, they can't see us i. see that sounds like a really. Big Advantage to me. You know the F thirty five still can't fly lightning. Whatever reason? Can't do it. I. Think he okay. He said, Hey, you can sell that thing good on him. I. Got Nothing but he's doing job there. All right. So so he starts out starts off right away and the on this press conference and this question this is the this is the first to cheat. She asked the initial question. Then she does a follow up the follow up question is the funny one but let's listen to Q. on a question for trump. During the. Movement having here today followers. About that, you have to stay to people who are following this. Now, we'll let her know much about the movement other than I understand they like me very much. which I appreciate, but I don't know much about the movement. I have heard that it is gaining in. Popularity and from what I've here's these are people that when they watch the streets of Portland. When they watch what happened in New York City and just the last six or seven months but this starting. Even four years ago when I came here, almost four years can you believe it These are people that don't like seeing. What's going on in places like Portland and places like Chicago and New York, and other. Cities and states. and. I've heard these are people that love our country and they just don't like seeing it so I don't know really anything about it other than. They do supposedly like me and they also. Would like to see. Problems these areas like especially the areas that we're talking about. Go Away because there's no reason Democrats can't run a city and if they can't, we will send in all of the federal whether it's troops or law enforcement whatever they'd like we'll send him in straighten out the problem in twenty four hours or less. Okay, I have a question who? Asked. That question who was the Riverdell because the reporter Cameron or I have no idea this was a this was a setup question because every single journalists in the mainstream calls this the Cunanan conspiracy theory she said Cunanan Movement. That was set up there's not in less it's a N. which also means it set up that was a setup question. No journalists speaks. There's plenty of. It was a setup for trump. Knew it was coming. Yes. I'm well now I'm sure of it. Will I'm sure that it seemed to me 'cause Kayla was asked about this in the early morning About Cunanan she just said no you're. The president she didn't even bother with it. I don't know if this was done. So the president could just posture a little bit and say they like me and then bitch about the Democrats running cities because his account and I think he wanted a coupon question and he had an answer well prepared. That's a very poor answer in my opinion but and offers a wheel. The next was nobody knows this it'll inside a lot of discussion. That's but the question it seemed to me that it wasn't a setup as the second one while the second one was was perhaps. Up. Well the second question was funnier. and. Trump wouldn't address it directly because it was so crazy. This question was out there. And so she follows up same woman follows up and I was you can't tell 'cause they're all wearing masks and I'm still waiting for our. Way And woman way in the back. The real gorgeous Brunette to be sexist by saying that who takes her masks off. Still. She's a little superstar. She knows what she's doing. She's got a good manager. She got trolls find out who ask that question was wrong with you. My goodness you're gonNA find out but anyway, let's go to the follow up question, which is Zinger. Theory is this belief that you are secretly saving the world from this. Channel. Coal pedophile than. Cannibals. Are Fine I haven't I haven't heard that but. I'm sorry. Hold on. Does she now say conspiracy theory. He said theory. Thankfully. You. Are secretly saving the world from the Satanic Kohl's pedophile and cannibals. Does that sound like something? You are behind goal I haven't I haven't heard that but. Is that supposed to be a bad thing or this thing? If I can help save the world from problem some willing to do it I'm willing to put myself out there and we are actually where saving the world from the radical left. Philosophy that will destroy this country and this country has gone. The rest of the world would follow. It was this was. Such an injection for the movement John. Q. On on. freaked out it's true. Dino's. Last. Eddie says Colossus Satanic cult of pedophile 's and cannibals. Yeah. That's the that's the Drina chrome. Yeah and pizza gate and eating eating children. Drinking their blood and God knows what else? I just. A bad thing doing that. This was a that was to me the moment of the week. We're just GONNA do a clip of the day whoever that reporter was. Glued. please. Pick up your prize at the front desk and let us know who you are. It was it made my day that was so funny. Because no one asked that and all of a sudden. Again, I'm just suspicious of the movement and the. Conspiracy. Because it's always said incorrectly Cunanan is a conspiracy theory. Now. It's not movement is much more accurate is much more accurate but. Is that actually does that qualify as a great question? Might. Temporary reluctant. Close a great question. Comes Pretty Damn, close. I. WanNa, take a break where our our in seventeen in and I can't wait to see what other last we've got coming up. So I'd like to thank you for your courage just in the morning to you the man who put the sea in the DNC John See. 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Redwood City. Okay. He sent me A. I'm going to sound like a loser because he did this. Okay. But he sent me a pre-programme Po fung. short-wave hand-held radio shortwave an. Two meter it's two meters not shortwave. y'All case two meters. Okay. It's not shortwave technically, but on it, he's got probably fifty different repeater lash ups. Yeah sure that's what you do. What you do that's what you do when you when you're a ham and you I get your rig. You set it all up you. Just, turn it on to go please. Turn. It back I wait I. Wait for. Oliver to come out you wait for all over to come in. You are such. You're you're such an elmer. Of now, thing is want to mention that this is a different rigging slightly then the bowel as not about the Po fung, it costs four dollars less than twenty one dollars. Sure. Don't know what the difference. Prices. But the poll fungus slightly bigger. It looks a little more cop like. And it's gotta be some some rugged aspects to it's got more rugged. Belt. 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So she goes through the peace apparently the fire when she when it was jumping highway eighty in Fairfield, she was seeing these movies that people driving through the fire and that was me. She was in it was freaked out. No Shit. Did she call you? Were she called j? I. And then she called me after she got out. Oh, my and then they cut the road they stopped a wrote to travel. Measures like one of the last cars through. Oh my God. And she's bad, ass. freaked freak as you took a few photos, put a newsletter and don't there won't be wilder. Through with the whole thing and everyone's really relieved because they had it was. Just. It was at the point where it was jumping the freeway, the fire jumped the freeway and she was. Went through that area. and. Yeah. So where where does? So I say to her you know what happens you know I'm going to these phones aren't GonNa work the she's got freaky about the whole thing the. Cell Towers burning down I said get your license. 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So he wanted to be knighted today. Under Sir Basheer. Yes, he's on the list. So I'm glad you picked up that note talk. So I did send Eric to note okay, you did good. It was cute. You sent Eric to note he didn't put it in. I also had it in my notes but you you got to. Okay. Eleven eleven cinema. No. No I said, I send it to it. That's a it's a break in the system. Which I've been trying to catch, and I'm glad you called it. The break in the system is if you're an eleven eleven and you show up in your night or you reach the level and then you send the note, it doesn't get read because it's not because you're eleven, dollars and eleven cents those have to be fished out and put it in. I. Always send to Eric He never does it. It's okay. We say the promise he's getting he gets too much redundant gets mu it gets from me. We've had to figure out some process. Yes. He's working on a system I. Know It's coming soon he's got something in the works. Something's going on over there. All right. We're all good. Yes. So that will be we have a a nice ninety ceremony for later. Now, I wanna hear some some some crazy stuff from what's been going on in American politics because it's just been hilarious. Well for one thing, we got this weird guy mile- miles, Taylor who's made a big stink about going to bite any made a big speech at the convention we have a bunch of these speeches. At the. Democrat convention. Of people had over Republican hacks that are just decided that they can't take it anymore. They're all are now with the Democrats they decided to go to shaky Joe Biden. Doesn't make any sense to me. But it's definitely what's going on. I have his speech. If you WANNA hear it sure I mean how long is it? Any good It's probably. Why don't you play as much as you can stand, what's his name here miles Taylor Miles Taylor is like he's a very strange character when you look into him, he was the he was worked for Kristen Nelson when she was head of de. When she got kicked out though or she resigned and she Chris Christie Nelson as she. Left. Yeah she left. All right. Let's have listen. I'm miles Taylor I served as well. No stop actually let's just talk about this for second. visit, we can't just take this for granted. Typically, these conventions are bigger affairs. It's exciting. There's lots of the noise and people going on and got silly hats and Confetti, and we're all cheering, and it's really about the crowd and the people. It's entertaining. It's a huge entertainment event which you really only you'll check in a little bit and you know, of course, you some speeches you wanna see and not only. I was following everything on CNN screw those guys and I don't. I don't understand if you're doing a television production because that's what they're doing and they get an evil Longoria to host and then Carrie Washington to host and you've got billy porter doing a little music video of some dance with his. Whatever that was on legend. Every everybody knows the entertainment. is coming together and they produce. Something is compl-. Ev every speech is. That To. Then, there's no crowd is nothing like getting everybody going so it really it's hard to watch and I'm sure if Republicans do the same thing, it's hard to watch. This is not interesting. You want to hear some interesting stat. Okay. So that political correspondent for axios has been this for PBS. And he taught he said the following he said the problem they have is that no besides if nobody's watching it so let's start there. Key said that MSNBC. When they the convention covers their numbers were five million viewers, which is alive for MSNBC yeah. NBC The network itself. Two point two, million. Yeah. Two point one. An ABC had one point nine and after that. But again. Like I rating, let's finish the thought here. Five. MILLION MSNBC those people that are voting for Biden. Yeah. That's about it. Doesn't do any good to the party that have it's Day losing people. Well they're losing people from the TV show 'cause look all we wanted to see, and this is my point to CNN keeps teasing. Ahead Barack Obama coming up soon, you know, and then you wait and you wait and it's eleven o'clock before someone comes on. Are they idiots. Coup who and it's right when prime time news local news starts to no, one's going to take the live feed. I don't understand what the what the strategy is just from a pure. Then don't I mean you might as well, just streaming on the web who cares boring it's bad television bad television. Anyway Michael Taylor. I'm miles Taylor. Sorry. I'm sorry I didn't hear your Q.. What are you play? I was going to play them miles. Taylor is one of these boring speeches? Yeah. Listen to some boring. So you tried it off as soon as you board Okay Miles Taylor done the. Served as the chief of staff of the Department of Homeland Security under the Donald Trump administration, I would go into the office I would read my Intel and listen to the piano music. Wow Spree, and then it was my job to help the Department of Homeland Security to keep our country. What we saw we can't get out for me after two and a half years and that administration was terrifying. So that was pretty much the message all night long Barnes Ma'am bad. We'll do better. Joe's got a team. Did you hear anything differ from that? No I. I but I did hear something today before that was different. Okay. and. I think that this clip is probably more to the point of what we're dealing with here that people have better realized that this is what's going on. This was the youth caucus. With debt did a zoom conference. The. Day before actually on the Monday of the convention I, believe that's when it was. it was either pre-convention era after A. Monday fiasco And I want you to listen carefully I. Don't have this woman's name, but she's talking and nobody is interrupting or nobody's saying because as it gets is rude but nobody's saying this is not good. What you're saying this is actually dangerous, but here you go what are we dealing with here? This is the Democrat Youth Caucus woman talking about socialism. I'm because we understand that this future that we all want that were all trying to build I'm really is about the destruction of colonization, white supremacy and capitalism we must. We must really move away from these assistance in these frameworks if we really want to live in a future that does have a regenerative. And does enable liberation and equity for our communities. This is definitely something that we all want to push forward and so our hope and our our dream is that we do push forward green new deal. We do understand that there is the Greenville the see marquee policy that many of us have become accustomed to, but also realizing that on the state level many different policies are being pushed forward that do relate to the green new deal that are collectively moving forward into this regenerative economy and this regenerative future, and really our position is that the green new deal and its policies we're moving toward this way anyway. Supposed to be new pickle available at whole foods the green new deal. It would be a great brand named renew deal high. We should get it going right away this fantastic. Now, this was a this is a callback to your earlier commentary at the very beginning of the show. which is these kids come out of school the gaming come out of college not taught anything. They don't know anything and the kid at thirty, five, thousand dollars a year job after having a degree master's degree and whatever. You up with this kind of thinking we got. Her it's it's. As simple, get rid of white supremacy, get rid of capitalism just ditch the whole American system, and this also is a call back with the green new deal. Of the letter that you read from the PG and E. Guy talking about how they can't they're not allowed to actually give power they have to it has to be green new. Golden Dill. Yes, and this'll be a little bit out of order but. This policy is falls under the heading. Build back better. And the reason I'm bringing it up now is because Joe Biden's campaign is build back better. I just want to re. Well here is What's her name? She is Canadian member of parliament freedland. On their plans for canned. Navia active. Lena's. Question about decarbonisation as part of our economic plan going forward of course, it has to be part of it. I think all Canadians understand that the restart of our economy needs to be green. It also needs to be. Equitable it needs to be. Shift. John and we need to focus very much on jobs and growth. This is a once in a lifetime challenge for our whole country. And our commitment as a government is to do whatever it takes to support Canadians as we get through that challenge and house, we get through it. To, really build back better. So. This is not a coincidence anymore it's all green new deal is all equity. It's build back better and just a reminder that is a united, nations globalist term and policy. The clip on Tonio Guerra Secretary General the United Nations covid nineteen pandemic can also be a moment for his long-standing conflicts and addressing structural weakness use. FOR SETS OF PRIORITIES CAN guide response to build back better and achieve the sustainable development. Goals. I immediate version it measures to slow the spread of disease and conflict and meet the urgent needs of the most vulnerable. Seconds must steepen efforts with scenic qualities by investing in universal health and education social protection floors and technology. The region is home to the world's largest gender gap in human developments. Covid nineteen recovery is an opportunity to invest in women and the girls insure equal rights and participation, which you have lasting benefits for all Serbs boosting the economic recovery through remeasuring the region's economic model in favor of more diversified green economies. That means creating sustainable jobs into this scene progressive taxation measures, anding fossil fuel subsidies, and taking greater account of climate risks. Now is the moment to prioritize human rights in should vibrancy civil society and free media and creates more accountable institutions that will increase citizens trust and strengthen the social contract. All of these steps beetle to helping the region build back better. So to combine the two things we're talking about kids are disillusioned. Got Debt. Here's your college level job thirty it seriously in Austin thirty to thirty, five, thousand dollars a year, and then hear some people saying, Hey. You're we're GonNa give you good jobs. Decent jobs get minimum wage, raise right it to phrase right? Good. Well, pay well, paying jobs es no decent well paying jobs. Green new deal. We're going to change the economy to this is the changing the system no wonder they love it and we get to break shit while we're telling people we want. Peaceful protests. Yeah and and this no one except this show as far as I know is picking up why he's not a single journalists saying. Bill back. Better. It's in Canada. It's in the United Nations and I would like our producers of Gitmo nation to go find where else this is taking place build back better their. Globalist terms something's going on. You'll find it here and there if you start looking my want to know what other countries are doing this. Bill back better and that to me is the socialist is just unbelievable. I do have a call in. which is a key kind of funny. Yeah. During. The convention this. On the Republican Line so I was like they didn't take calls on the on the convention did this is just the key span? All right. Republican line. Republican line right to listen to some of the conventional and I'm. Just. got a little old. Because they kept trying to say what a great Guy Joe Biden was and quite frankly. I understand people like him but. He's not exactly honest. Things. He said he's done. He hasn't exactly done honors. He says he had he didn't exactly get. Gets just very, very hard to listen to the politics of it. And we're supposed to just believe what they say. if he didn't make so many claims were proven to be untrue it would just be better and I i. it was hard to watch and then all this stuff about Dr Jill look nobody in America whose got a doctorate in education it's called Doctor. It's not done for her to keep calling herself doctor just point down she's not a real doctor there. Certain professions that yes. If you have a doctorate your call Dr for the rest of them, you're not. Just one. Okay. Well we've discussed this before. She's not A. She now she has she's a PhD that it. Yeah. PhD In Education Yeah, but there's a glamour. Cayenne teacher. Right. Now. That's a funny way of putting it high n teachers. Yes Okay. So she She's a teacher she wants to still be a teacher when when she gets into, you'd like biting wins she already said she wants to stay in school and rioting and your college, which is stupid. But okay, you can do what you want. You can do what you want but the thing is it is what this guy says is right because this is where. Where Whoopi Goldberg got into trouble. On the view Whoopie I don't have the Clip Whoopi said I can get it. She said, well, you know. Dr Jill Biden is a great doctor. She should become the surgeon general of the United States. Yes. Yes, I. Remember this I have the clip. Let me play it for you and Dr Jill becomes the surgeon general. Mattis. What. He would never do she thinks she's a Helluva Dr Amazing I could be wrong. I think. She's she's a teacher but. So, good. Guy Was, this is the reason you don't call yourself doctor when you are PhD in education right. Could I could be wrong? Sorry could be I just realized bill. Clinton is a smart man. And I, I only click a few things that you'd have some build back better. Donald Trump will do with new year's blamed bullying belittle. You know what Obama will. Build back better. Oh Yeh. Blame lead blatantly. Good blame bully belittle. Yeah. But Clinton got caught with the pictures of the one of the. Island girls. I'm sure I've seen these photos. This is not I think it's just it's a twenty two year old apparent masseuse massaging him in the in the waiting room of the of the airport. Okay so horrible. To me it was like there's no proof. I. Liked it. Of course you would. All right what else did we have? I got the other one. This is and democracy now, which lost these clips. Unfortunately, we're amy goes on and on about ASC or is she he's had days she's sands likes to say the whole name if he says. I'll cut your car tax. Yeah. She's Nominating. Burn she guided she's saying to nominate. Seconded. She say, no, I'm telling you. I should get the clip she said nominated by second nominee nominated over and over she said. Stay gave her one minute to nominate Bernie Sanders and then she ran over she did she ran over one thirty three which I have the clip of her doing it. Yeah. And she'd never nominated she seconded the nomination said she seconded him know what I'm saying I'm telling you. Don't want to say oh. Okay. Well, Amy's full of crap good evening been they need us and thank you to everyone here today endeavoring towards a better more just future for our country and our world. In fidelity and gratitude to amass. People's movement working to start. This is what I'm sorry. That's not what you wanted. A Sarong clip. Is it was that democracy now? Or is this just this moderating now played this clip but I took the clip. Straight from the C. Span will continue twenty-first-century social economic and human rights including guaranteed healthcare higher education, living wages, and labor rights for all people. Green. Leaves. A movement striving to recognize and repair the wounds of racial injustice, colonization, misogyny, and homophobia. And to propose and build reimagined systems of immigration and foreign policy that turn away from the violence and xenophobia of our past. Movement that realizes. The unsustainable brutality of an economy that rewards explosive inequalities of wealth for the few at the expense of long term stability for the many and who organized a historic grassroots campaign to reclaim our democracy. In a time when millions of people in the United. States are looking for deep systemic solutions to our crises of mass evictions, unemployment and lack of health care in speed it to the Pueblo and out of a love for all people I, hereby second the nomination of Senator Bernard. Sanders of Mont for President of the United States of America. Dan. So. Everyone's all out of shape about About you know not endorsing Joe Biden but these these are low information news people that's not how it works. Commissioner all getting the nomination. She's supposed to throw Joe. Biden in there. It's ridiculous. It's just ridiculous holy ridiculous. Now, I will say this the clip that I lost, which really irks me, you may have it. It's the security guard. At at one of the buildings, I guess it was at the New York Times building in new. York. Times Security Guard woman. WHO nominated Joe Biden? No I don't have don't have this. I'll get it for the again for Sunday because it's really interesting to listen to the security. Guard. First of all, why did they let the security guard nominate Joe Biden this Shia delegate she a delegate from the state of New York no I don't know how it works or just some Rando that they picked. I mean there's a lot of people around the world that new debt ran into Joe that nominated him as it made no sense to me a rando. Random Rando. I mean I have. Some clips. That's it. I have some clips I got a couple of clips. I'm not GONNA get nothing. Oh. Okay. I got some clips. I have President Obama with. One in my mind mistake and the other. A Nice Virtue Signal I have sat in the Oval Office with both of the men who are running for president. By the way did you notice that his tickets back? Obama's I. Tick is Right I. Think, it has a lot to do with with trump berating him constantly I mean look I'm look. I'm a threat suffer look how mature at sufferer so I can say he's trying his best, but it's tick and he can't get rid of it and I've seen this thing show up is kind of like he pretends to wink but I'm sharp you can't get one pass me Berry I sat in the Oval Office with both of the men who are running for president. I never expected that my successor would embrace my vision or continue my policies. I did hope for the sake of our country. The Donald. Trump might show some interest in taking the job seriously. Then, he might come to feel the weight of the office. And discover some reverence for the democracy that had been placed in his Karen Okay. He did this three times. It's a republic. It's a republic president. Obama it's a republic not a democracy republic that was placed in his care a republic. Got It. But he never did. For. Close to four years now he has shown no interest in putting into work. Now. I give him a pass because he said putting in doing the work but still still pretty good. It's a variation. Same thing is Asian we have but it's not Code Not Coding We have. Let's see I. Have One response. From Fox News Chris Wallace to Michelle Obama's speech which I didn't clip anything from she. She did say kids or. It sounded like she was saying you know how much I hate politics and I thought what an odd thing to say and what an odd thing to project towards a young people I hate first of all, I hate hate is a strong word. I. Hate Politics. Is that a good message politics should be something everyone is involved in. It's become this nasty again well. Especially when they're trying to get more. Kids involved in Politics Yeah As very poor. I didn't notice that but that's bad form. Yeah you're right. Yeah. That kind of irked me that she did that. And, and then she just had this. Long string of things you know blaming trump for the kids in cages, which AP actually fact checked her on it. I didn't see Jim cost rushing over to the camera to say anything about of course is obvious. We know this works but after that speech Chris Wallace Oh it was all you know it's interesting. Michelle Obama as said, doesn't like politics and She said that this speech was remain contribution to the Biden campaign. It was a heck of a contribution she really flayed. Sliced and diced Donald slum talking about the chaos and confusion and lack of empathy especially coming from this president, and from this White House spoke more about the deficits of Donald trump and the pluses of Joe Biden but did talk about this especially policies but especially, his empathy. It was interesting when I first heard him say that I thought he missed mispronounced feel aid but flayed is actually a word I didn't realize that I'd never heard. Flayed. filleted the lady but I made, which is the same thing. kind of isn't just. Cutting it up slicing. Wraps up. Okay so he liked it a lot There were a couple of Joe `ISMs that that I think are. Worth looking at this is. This was a pretty good one. See if you can catch the flaw here, the Tina's among the fastest growing population in the United States already one quarter. Of our school children one quarter or Latinos speak. Spanish one quarter. How God's name can we have a strong thriving republic if we don't fully deal in Latinos every aspect of American one quarter. To which the Latino kids across America went I speak, Spanish? And Joe's like they all speak Spanish. Guys. Such. He is. If you're looking for systemic racism, that's it. If we remove him everything's GonNa be okay. He doesn't that's like it's almost as bad as. You know white kids. Can Do you know four 'cause you just as well as white kids or whatever the hell he was saying. Yes. So bigoted of him to say, okay, and but again, I give him some credit for saying republic I liked it to Joe saying Republican Not Democracy. and. Then there was this I'm not even gonNA play 'cause it's like silver dress blue dress. Did Joe say hi, I'm Jill Biden's husband or did he say hi, I'm Joe Biden's husband well, for me. He said Jill it's just however you want to hear it but this was kind of funny. That's the kind of First Lady Lady Lady Lady this Joe Biden will be at what was that all about. I think I heard that too. I actually I don't know where that clip went but I had that clip it was just where he goes lady lady lady like you sounds like Jerry. Lewis. Yeah exactly. So it's. Like you said Lady and then he lost his train of thought. And to pick it up, he said lady again thing would happen. Then he couldn't didn't. He said it again against I think he said it either three times or four times. Anyway, it was very strange. So are we basically saying we got nothing there's nothing nothing happening 'cause it really wasn't in my well tonight, you'll be Joe, I did get a I got. The Mattei list of drinking is drinking game updates only have a few things to read on this of about twenty items that he specs the Joe to be saying, I'll read a couple. And he's supposed to drink every time. You Hear Joe Biden saying folks. Or Biden says United States of America double shots or any multiple America construction example the best America is in America were Americans believe in the American dream. And he says you'd have to us. Guys. When he refers to the Barack. Obama soul of America's one. Then he's got this one number eight Biden points out of surprising. You'd pointed this out earlier Biden points out of the surprising percentage of something. Like. This example look folks seventy, four percent of venture capital goes to four cities. screwball thing he does this but he also says my mom used to say or mentioned one of my fathers relatable jobs like example, he sold a hell of a lot of cars. And then he's got one here Biden references a job you've never heard of has in quote why is a sandwich maker being forced to sign a non compete clause sandwich maker that may be a subway job axing. Yeah I'm sure no no, no, no. No they're called Sandwich artists. Sorry sandwiches, and here's one number Twelve Biden tells the story of does it take a drink? Biden tells a story about a rewarding interaction with an ordinary person as in quote I walk over to the guy in the bucket and their seven guys around him all with hard hats on I yelled up and said, Hey, man thanks. Yeah you've. GotTa Dig List. Oh my goodness. There was something I wanted to mention at the end which was Kamla Harris accepting her nomination. They had little stage and they had the you know the typical dual teleprompters, the mouse quiet and there were maybe I, don't know twenty people socially distance like really socially distance kind of strategically placed next to. It was sad kind of thing to look at I. Think she did actually quite well. For, for for what she was there to do, but at the end and this is You. This may not make it on the news, but it's fun for us. All of a sudden, they have the screen and there's like a massive zoom call you saw and she's waving everybody and everybody's waving back. So it's It's thirty thirty boxes. Too. Many boxers Yeah. Because if you freeze framing and zoom in three of the people appear in two boxes. They couldn't even find thirty people to fill up the boxes. With. No use three duplicates in the boxes. I mean, I mean, that is to me. That really summed up the that sums it all up a bunch of phonies with fakery, and they can't even do that right. Now in fact. I guarantee that dividing speech tonight has already been recorded and recorded and recorded and recorded till. He got it close to right because he never there's no way. He's GonNa go and do this live. No way no I don't think he's capable if he does capable of doing it live, he's not going to be able to debate either that's why they want you to get your ballot and vote. Now before you realize that Biden Israeli in the bag, he's done. So. The problem it problem I think on. My interpretation of the problem with joys gets tired. And if they're going to make him do something a. k. the Stewart again starting in safety. Let's do it again. Do it over and over again by the time, they get the final the final. Is just flattened dead. There's no he's GonNa be out of it. But I'm sure the worst will be what he's reading off. The prompter will be to the money and he won't go off script. That's for sure. I was reading all the the broadcast and advertising magazines. Everyone's very delighted with the sudden jump that the trump mates. Now, it's a real horse race. It's neck and neck. It's like right in the final stretch. It's crazy. How could we ever expect that to happen now the ratings? Are Not working very well for the networks. And this did this come from this was a very interesting interesting article. So the the networks big networks, but I I gotta guess maybe in a way the Think just the broadcast networks they're the ones they do have an equal time rule that they still have to adhere to, and so they are they want to put as little. Of that. Well, that's what they claim. In this article that I'm reading. Those put it this way. They're only wants to put two hours per night on network television because they know they have they will have to give the Republicans the same two hours. They don't WanNa put more on television because they are afraid of what will be like if trump is on TV for three hours or whatever it is, and they can't they just don't want him anywhere on their airwaves they know they have to do it so that limiting democratic dreamed up a fake excuse yeah yeah. Excuse for the fact that it has. What is it American idol even even American only three point five, million that was the number one rated show. So yeah the here, right that's Excu less of it on TV because we don't. We don't want trump to ruin everything, but I think you're right. It's just shitty ratings. It's not interesting. It's not. It's also it's a TV show. Is. Not a convention? What is it? Know. The the transitions are very slow takes awhile for someone to say okay. Can I ask a simple question? It's a rhetorical one for everybody out there for you especially. This is the Party of Hollywood. Yes they're not doing any movies. There's nothing going on in Hollywood right now the theaters are shuddered. There's talent everywhere tons of directors. There's producers. There's people that know how to do this sort of thing why haven't they tapped them and said, hey, come and put this show together for us. I. Honestly don't know who was in charge of the production and I personally found it to be an incredible mistake to bring in Actr- actors. In this case, I saw two actresses. Carrie Washington and Evil Longoria Yvonne Gloria, they're not television presenters. It's they. They don't know how to talk stuff that you know he's all scripted everyone teleprompter it has no life in it. It's completely boring. Shit. And it's a waste of my time and I'm a little bit angry about it because we have to sit through I can't. Well, I lasted rhetorical question again, why don't they bring up? There are people that could make this interesting. To you your question is, why don't they do it? That's that is probably a very great, but it's a good question I don't know. Somehow. This is what they feel is going to work for them. I really don't know. It's the damnedest thing I've ever seen. I wanted to do We'll be revisiting this. No doubt on Sunday just wanted to give a little update on the Middle East peace deal or I should say what happened in Beirut And I'm putting together an actual theory. Remember I'm a conspiracy theorist. I just analyze the situation. And something. Very telling came out of the news. calculations were done on the blast in Beirut based upon ammonium nitrate and based upon how much ammonium nitrate was there. And? based. Upon. The explosion. They feel the experts now say the probably only two hundred to three hundred tons of ammonium nitrate exploded. What happened to the to the other twenty four hundred tons. So now there's all what must have been stolen it was rousted. Makes makes the whole ammonium nitrate story very, very fishy. And one of our producers is in some business if you know what I mean and. When I mentioned, some kind of new weapon immediately jumped on the stick and said Okay I think I know what this might be. And he has some information to back up the theory that this may have been A. Been Explosive. Ordinance deployed from an Israeli jet. which there were jets heard flying this plenty of eyewitnesses about that. This would be the w seventy, six MoD to. And W seventy six. Mod To. It's not remember remember this explosion you saw was very Very unique type of shock wave cloud that we saw. This W seventy six miles to is not a nuclear warhead, but it's the primary fission of the twenty seven six thermonuclear bomb. So it sole purpose is to set off the fusion secondary, any unfished fuel or unnecessary types of radiation. That that you might. Notice from this are just inefficiencies and design and and they probably have all been eliminated but he feels that since they were fifty of these mounted onto the Tennessee submarine. Who went out on a mission and came back. Almost immediately turn back around there were supposed to be in a much longer mission. Key feels that it's possible that one or more of these was transferred see and that this is what was used. by Israel. to get everybody's attention and I can't get past the fact that a week. Later, all of a sudden we have a deal now Iran is is ramping up and the president was talking some noise about them. That's not quite as important as this. Special Envoy for Iran is stepping down Brian Hook who was appointed two years ago has been vocal advocate at the administration's maximum pressure campaign against Iran and that strategy failed to get international support and did not force Iran back to the negotiating table as President Donald Trump had hoped cook will be replaced by the controversial Elliot Abrams the administration's point on Dennis Waylon. No if Elliot Abrams is his way, your country you are in trouble. So something changed all sudden. We got jared he's talking he has a voice he can talk jared's out everywhere. It seems to me that this was the tipping point because we know Iran is financing Hezbollah we know that Lebanon is one of the final American, the West, Clark Seven. This is not a coincidence it's connected we may never know. but to me, it seems like that was. Some Straw that also screw China if we get. Iran, if we get a hold of Ron, I mean, it's a multipronged strategy that I really can't put it all together. But these things are happening when it's not talked about because you know and we're just as guilty of it you know Joe Biden's idiot is funny. It's funny to listen to that and the think about what's going on but I have a feeling in also again, the The rampage missile that's the name of the missile that Israel that is. Thought to be maybe Israel's new super weapon the one that they tested test-fired in Syria. This MoD to this w seventy six, MONTO would fit perfectly on one of those and it was the exact and the stories in the show notes you can find. The. Exact. Same type of shockwave blast relatively limited. And it it it causes a certain type of destruction. Not like a you know a bomb filled with shrapnel and nails and God knows what else? So I'm thinking it was some kind of message. And, it works because stuff happens something something's going on yeah. 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I was we had a guy was a donor recently but his last name is. Spelled K. O.. P.. C. A. K. and I worked whole thing because I would say, how do you pronounce this Guy's name and people don't realize this lot of names obviously pronounce poorly. But when I have a real Zinger, I always check it out on one of the pronunciation guides. and. There's a bunch of them So, how would you pronounce Ko Pca K.? C.. Kopech. Not Right. It's not right but you WANNA say cop. CAC. Well. I would pronounce it cop check that's probably coke. The P. IS PROBABLY I have actually I think and clip one. There's two different pronunciations and I clipped to there's another one but I think they repeat so these are the pronunciations they come off the guys and they Predict. And now, who is this person One of our donors cop cake lover gig donors, but he's anonymous Homa. Cop? Cake. cupcake. cupcake. CONTAC-. COMTECH. Contact what program are you using for this? That was one of the. Bad. We have podcast. down. I can. Heal K. stace as they say things happen this is not been a good day. Get dill. Shows. There's two different pronunciations. please. Play those again. Okay Cop cake cupcake cupcake. COMTECH. CONTAC-. COMTECH. Then, which I believe is the is the proper pronunciation is on clip to. Kupchak. Kupchak Cup check yeah. Yeah. That makes more sense to me. Cup check. Cup check. So. Now, I just want to point this out as an excuse to my lousy. PRONUNCIA even the experts can't agree God. This was all about you. I'm sorry I didn't I say yes. Totally. Realize his going on. Where's this going out? It's about you. Well, the. Let's go to and this is what I'll wrap with sisters is kind of along those same lines in odd SORTA way. Let's go to Obama Gate. As we now have one FBI agent slash lawyer who was admitted to changing something. Oh, I didn't mean to do it. This is all about Carter Page Carter page. Is a weird dude. And he was on, he was on Hannity and he has a book out. Calamity ensued. Over what is the title of Your Book Quick? Abuse and our short tell the full title. What's the full title of the Book Tell me. I'll put you on the spot. How? Did this? All Right Calcio. Is that. He doesn't know the title of this book. Think that means it's dwell the some agency rooted for them as we've always suspected. Obviously she's NEIDL that you didn't write. He could barely he was happy he got the subtitle out. That's the guys are weird dude. But now he loses credibility in my book because of his book and my book I know the title of my book. It's podfather done. Lab One last educational clip. Who? I just wanted to to more. One quickey and then we can. Do the. Clip on Sunday I don't want to. We. Don't WanNA. Let's not leave anyone with any not make people smarter at the end of the show no education for you. Senator Durbin Dick Durbin was talking about the is on the word Dick Dick Dick Durbin talking about Flynn. And I'm not quite sure where his head was but listen he's talking about the problem with Flynn being as we know initially, he was talking to the Russian ambassador. About typically what I believe are typical things you do as a new inas incoming national security adviser but that was seen as all. It was a quid pro quo was trying to whatever he was trying to do. Dick. Durbin says this. Spying on the trump campaign here's what it boiled down to the intelligence agencies were in fact, monitoring the conversations of the Russian ambassador to the United States and when that ambassador engaged with General Kelly they picked up on the conversation there's the spine it had nothing to do with focusing on Kelly they were focusing on Kislyak the ambassador and when they went into conversations about lifting sanctions on Russia that's when the intelligence agency picked up on it there's so much. So what do you think was really going on since he keeps saying Kelly instead of Flynn And it's not corrected. It was General Flynn General Kelly. That's interesting. So that's either that's a massive. Just pure mistake or the guys got something in his head about Kelly and Kelly didn't Kelly kind of. Front of mind to say Kelly, you know just say somebody's they don't call you. Schnitzer for no good reason while you can if you squeeze my but while you do it but that's about it. That's the limit. I might go going for that. Nice try for. Well then the song. I don't know what's going on, I don't know what? Does is baffling strange isn't it? It probably worse buying on Kelly. Kelly was spying on other. Who knows the fact that he said and count didn't Kelly kind of leave in a huff Left in a half in he's probably borderline voting for Biden. was never a big trumper? No, no no he was thrust on trump by the other. anti-trump people yeah. Vinyl clip for me then is the money honey. Trump called in. And The world's longest interview. Forty nine seconds is what I thought. It'd be good enough for us. Spied. On. My campaign, which is treason. Both before and after I won think of that using the intelligence apparatus of. Take down. President. A legally elected president duly elected president of the United States. It's the single biggest political crime in the history of our country and I hope they're doing a job. I. Hope they're not going to be politically correct and say, well, you know we WANNA go get. Let's get the lower guys that forged the documents going into FIS. Let's just get a couple of the lower guest. I. Hope they're not going to be billed dark and go down as the greatest attorney general the history of our country or you can go down to just an average guy it depends on what's going to happen. He sounds serious when he does that. I think he's frustrated because Pete this guy everyone around him is in some way corrupt or rotten bill bars is completely compromise. Look at where he comes from look where he was look at what he was doing the in different administrations make. His his father hired Jeffrey Epstein to teach you some bogus class in his school. So who knows if bill bars going to actually send anyone down the river? Wild Wild, but it's also good. Go podcasting lots of stuff. On Sunday, in fact, they will give you a go podcasting update journal have something educational. And BERYL FULLA laughs. Oh by the way was Shannon petty piece, the reporter for NBC who asked the question so we'll have to look into her. We've got nick the ranch coming up name for radio SAGRADA. So it's Also a good spy name. KNICKKNACK coming up. 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"A terrorist organization told them on the record that they lobbied facebook and twitter to ban me. Okay and no one in the government. There's no member of Congress that wants to stand up for a Jewish conservative journalist who had ninety percent of her income taken away and is now having her civil rights violated having her bank account shutdown because a terrorist organization took a meeting with Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg. This literally happened. This is not a conspiracy theory this documented in the Wall Street Journal and I've sued. It's on my website free. Limor DOT COM. You can read my legal complaint right. So there's things that are concerning to me and I'm said about it but I'm still gonNA vote for President Trump even though I'm extremely pissed off that I'm not going to summit and that no one has has helped me right. There's there's a lot of things that I'm not happy about but I'm still going to support the president because the alternative. Well yeah no crazy comedy. I get what you're coming from. I I think what it gets to. What sern of it was kind of asking about over and over is that what surprises me. Is THAT DONALD. Trump won't even even if there's nothing you're GONNA do about it to just say something about it. Just kind of throw your support out there be like. Hey It's wrong. What's happening to a lot of my people? I'm I'm surprised that he doesn't at least do that but I don't know I don't know why you know who knows. Chessman I've been shaken. I've been scratching my head trying to figure this out for a while too. You know there's a lot of things that don't make sense to me but I don't work for the I'm not one of his advisers and I know that he's a busy guy has gotten his plate. Sometimes I wonder if even aware of a lot of the stuff that's going on or if information gets filtered and and the people who are in charge of giving him information intentionally. Keep a lot of this information out. I don't know right. Seems a little weird to me. Look I there's wants to talk a Carlson. He talks about it. Yeah I mean there's there's people who You know are totally satisfied and people who would never ever criticize the president and they with everything that he's done and there's people who have their issues with certain key topics like whether it be immigration or social media bias but at the end of the day we can't allow ourselves to be one issue voters and just only rest all of our confidence in a candidate or Or or a another candidate over one issue. It's just not the rational thing to do. There's other things that matter in this country as well and these are all struggles that we're dealing with and maybe eventually they'll they'll be addressed. I I hope every single day right. It's not fun for me when everyone I know people like Friends of mine who've never even been censored are getting invites to the White House and here. I am literally the most ban person and just feel like I don't exist some days. I feel like I don't exist but I am not going to allow any sort of resentment or negative feelings that I may a feel in the moment to prevent me from making the rational decision. Not Rational decision is like if I want to have a free country if I want to have a stable country if I even want there to a future in America I'm voting for president trump right and I always was. I mean I I always was gonNA vote for President. Trump. I've supported since day one and I encourage other people to as well because the alternative is so scary. Imagine pissing off. Imagine a world where you are not allowed to criticise politicians because those politicians will have you prosecuted in thrown in jail. That's where the Democrat Party is right now. And they're colluding with the tech giant's right you see. All these exposes coming out in which these tech executives from Google. The project Veritas thing. That just came out of college was Gonna do everything in their power to make sure trump or someone like trump doesn't get reelected which I'm sure they were already doing a in two thousand sixteen. I'm sure there was lots of regardless regardless of what people think of me right. 'cause I know a lot of people hate me. Put yourself in my position right and think to yourself what are here for the Illinois. Broadcasters Association and in a recent survey the Illinois Emergency Management Agency was asked to name the top five items that every Illinois family needs to have in their homes. Emergency disaster kick check out these answers water caitlyn without it number two nonperishable food. Well after all a man gotta eat right number three weather radio and make sure you got fresh batteries to number four flashlight. Even more reason to have fresh batteries on hand number five. First Aid Kit. Look there's no reason to feud over what items to put in your family's emergency disaster kit. 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What are the tech executives were all conservatives and the tech executives decided that well anybody who is going to have any progressive ideas or anybody who is going to be a liberal or anybody who's a Hillary Clinton supporter or anybody who speaking out against building a wall or detention centers? We're just going to ban them. Yeah imagine if you're promoting fake news and then they get to define fake so everyone who reported on those Covington kids. You're all kicked off of social media. They say hate speech. Let's say and just make it on the flip like the same way that they go. We think miss `gendering somebody should get. You kicked up social media. Well let's say you take the conservative approach and we say well being transgender is miss. `gendering somebody so if you call biological man or woman were kicking you off of social media for this. I mean just just flip it and thinking about whether I think about what it would be like right and so I ask people often times and it's insane because people are not even capable of rationalizing and so a lot of reporters and people reporters have asked me this before like. Oh well how do you justify these things that you say and say doesn't matter if you like what I say I don't really have show? You think that what I say is offensive or not. I have a right to say it regardless of whether it hurts your feelings but what you need to talk about here is the civil rights violations that are occurring and the the power structure at play here. And just how much power these companies have to the point where they're now talking about censoring the president of the United States. You have twitter saying that. They're going to hide president. Trump's tweets that people find offensive and they're going to hide the tweets and censor the tweets of politicians who maybe violating our terms of service right AK a conservative politicians. Who they don't agree with because just like I said when I confronted Dorsey and disrupted the Congressional hearing last year. That's how the Democrats are gonNA steal this election or at least they're gonNA try. They'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA TRY BY CENSORING IN SHADOW banning people even the president and you will see it. I believe that president trump will get banned. Yeah I got started. Working for project Veritas. But anytime WANNA say that. I deserved to be banned for anyone. Listening right like just imagine if the etiological power structure was was flipped right and you had someone shutting off your bank account in the middle of New York City when you were a cab when you were in a cab not able to pay for your cab right and and being told that your accounts were frozen right just because of your politics. Try to try to try to rationalize that an empathize and and see how you would enjoy your life right everything that you worked for everything that you invested your livelihood and your money you know. I went to college. I had a four point. Oh GPA graduated top of my class on top of my class. But I was banned for my graduation because I got kicked out of college a month before graduation over political stuff. Yeah for working for Project Veritas. I'll tell you the story but you know I I'm not just some person who just popped up on the Internet. I worked very hard. Okay I worked for Project Veritas. I was undercover and the Hillary Clinton campaign exposing voter fraud during the election. I do a lot of work. Okay I have a degree in journalism and so for these leftists who just sit behind a computer and they they get paid to freelance. Huffington post or or daily beast for them to say that I deserve to be cancelled or deploy formed and I'm twenty. Six years old just turned twenty six last month for the rest of my life. I'm not supposed to have a career for the rest of my life. I'm not supposed to socialize. I'm supposed to be cut off from everyone for the rest of my life. I'm not going to be able to order a sandwich on a food. Delivery APP is how I'm supposed to live the rest of my life because you guys are not adult enough to handle an opposing. Political opinion really is like and we mentioned just briefly before this. Somebody who certainly doesn't share our politics Louis C. K. Who We had at our comedy festival. This is who actually you know. I mean what what he did wasn't have the wrong politics like he committed a me too violation or whatever you wanna call it but what really struck me about. That is that it is like it's like years later and the guy came in just did a set. He didn't even get paid. He just dropped by and did a at our level for a couple of hundred people. And it's the people are so furious. And you're like what is your expectation that this guy should just suffer the rest of his life like one of their issue. They just like it's almost like they don't care they don't they don't care what happens to you or what you do for the rest of your life like you got maybe seventy more years on this planet fucking exist with Kobo somewhere. Don't it's very very creepy. Yeah it really is. It's really messed up to. And the fact that they think to be targeted by Islamic terrorist organization and have fought was issued on me like I am now because Care is meeting with these social media executives to ban me and the fact that reporters have told me. Oh go fuck yourself you deserve this your fascist and you have to live with the consequences so so what if some Islamic terrorists decides to kill me Someday because because facebook designated me as a dangerous individual and care is lobbying facebook and twitter to ban me and trying to justify in the media that I deserve to be targeted by terrorists. Like are the media just going to say well? She had it coming. Is that what they're gonNA say anything I say? Oh well she provoked it. Laura Lorimer Limor deserve to get killed by an Islamic terrorists because she provoked it when she criticized Sharia law. She's a provocateur so they had a right to put a bullet in her head. I mean I'm just saying like it's just insanity and I wonder sometimes because I've been asking for help for a long time right and I think it's pretty egregious that here I am. I'm not saying anything crazy right. I'm reporting facts. Sure the way I say. Things may be a bit inflammatory controversial or not. Everyone's cup of tea but it's all factual information I'm not. I'M NOT DOING Z. Kyle's in the street right. I'm not I'm not. You know fundraising with people. Who are training kids to be Jihadi school shooters right. I'm not doing stuff like that. I'm just reporting the news in my way. I'm being an entrepreneur. Okay my own company and I someone just with our then make the argument. I don't know if you've got something wrong then pointed out. I mean I I also like I hate this idea. That won't even tours. Even if someone is a provocateur that they should be shut down. Provocateurs are great. They're very important to have like there. Are Lots of people out there Some of them are good friends of mine. Who have been shut down. I'm good friends. With Gavin McGinnis. Oh and Benjamin Anthony. Cumia like all these guys now. I DISAGREE WITH ALL OF THEM ON. Probably at least like forty to fifty percent of what they say. Lots of political disagreements with them but they're interesting important voices they get some things right they get some things wrong but they'll make you think about some things and then sometimes they'll make a really good point that you didn't think of and you're like that is a fucking good point and it's like what type of world you. WanNa live in where everyone just says the same thing as becoming an Echo Chamber. But you know it's not even it's not even just I. It's just the fact that they won't even report on it so I've talked to reporters and they've asked me this before. And I when I when I announced my lawsuit against twitter and care 'cause I sued them And I'm still in the middle of that lawsuit. They wouldn't report on it like what you lawsuit about. Oh you're just complaining right. They they they make fun of me on twitter. And they'll say Oh Laura. Limor still isn't over the fact that she lost her twitter account. Why don't you report the facts that an Islamic terrorist organization is meeting with executives from Big Tech? That used to be of of of of importance that would have been newsworthy right. Why don't you report on the fact that that terrorist organizations You know are targeting Jewish conservative journalists and making requests of social media companies to get them banned and the social media. Companies are saying okay sure. That's what happened to me in my case okay. A terrorist organization asked twitter to ban me. Ask facebook to ban me because of my reporting on Ilhan Omar and Sharia law and and antisemitism and twitter said Okay. I mean that's egregious. That's agreed you know when I go out in public in Florida sometimes. I have to have a bodyguard. 'cause I speak at political events and the largest chapter of cares in Florida who I'm doing okay. And the guy who's in charge of care Florida's names assange Shibli. He's currently representing the Isis bride. So he's in regular communication with like a straight up member of ISIS. Okay and this is a guy who is encouraging members of his group a terrorist organization to target me okay. They made me the center of their Ramadan fundraiser. And said that all these Muslims who are giving money to care many of them who Are tied in with terrorist organizations and have supported a tear or some of their founding members have actually been sent to jail prosecuted for this. That's very dangerous right there. Legal director called for jihad against me on on twitter and nothing happened and the and these reporters. They refused to report on it. And this is what's happening to me simply because I posted. Ilhan Omar was anti Jewish. That's all I said I said. Ilhan Omar is anti Jewish. And I'm literally now being targeted by an Islamic terrorist organization and the media's just like whatever you deserve it really is like as you pointed out before one of the things that really I mean. Obviously they're being targeted by for. Violence is the worst out of all of it. But there's just something that really bothers me and I'll be honest. I don't know exactly what the solution is. I just know that it's a really big threat to freedom of expression but the fact that people will build up these audiences and have it taken away from them like that is really like. It's a really horrible thing to do to somebody and I don't like you. You've said a few times that it's like a civil rights violation. What do you think the answer is like? Does there need to be like? I'll tell you because I do. Like as a libertarian. I struggle with this at times where I do think that you know in theory. You'd go okay. There's private companies freedom of association. This is why I was against the Civil Rights Bill. To begin with. I think it went too far. I think that as as ugly as racism is I think. Private businesses have a right to discriminate and people have freedom of association. There's a real problem. Though and particularly with the financial companies but with the social media companies to these aren't exactly private companies bed with the government there because they're because they're government propped up. I mean so clearly with the financial companies you straight up. Our government organizations that were bailed out by the taxpayer and are funded by the Federal Reserve. But with these companies but what is the solution to this is. What do you think there's legislation that should be written as I do? They not have the right to kick people off like I. I really don't ask yourself this right. A judge a judge in in I believe it was new. York ruled that that President Donald Trump didn't have the right to block journalists on twitter. And remember that case in some liberal journalists sued because trump blocked and they said it was violation of the. First Amendment. So it's a violation of a liberal reporters First Amendment right for president trump to block on twitter. But it's not a violation of a conservative journalists First Amendment right to just ban her and take away two hundred sixty five thousand or any of these other people who have been banned people like Alex Jones and Milo and Gavin Roger. Tom Robinson right the list goes on and on so there are several things that need to happen here. Right you're right. These companies are not private. And it's a really big misconception. But unfortunately they're also kind of immune from a lot of litigation because they're protected by section two thirty of the Communications Decency Act in which they are receiving a legal protections and immunities from a lot of lawsuits because they are advertised as platforms when really. They're behaving publishing. Which was an old law right? This was like in the nineties. I think when it first got past where it was it wasn't even dealing with modern social media. It was more talking about Internet service providers originally where they said basically like well. We're going to treat them like the phone. Companies in the sense that if one like Mafia boss calls another Mafia boss and tell them to put a hit out on someone you wouldn't prosecute. At and T. Because they're just the phone company they're just the platform and that makes sense in that theory but then had at and T. deciding they were gonNA shut off phone service for anybody who had the wrong politics. Well now this is kind of a different dynamic here especially if you have the government infrastructure that the phone lines are built on and then you're deciding who gets to speak and who doesn't and that's what they're doing. They are deciding who gets to speak. And who doesn't and we see this right. Because why would you find it? Necessary to hide tweets from the president of the United States. The most powerful man in the world. I don't understand. Can you explain that to me? Why as an American company are you allowing Isis Hamas Muslim Brotherhood al-Qaeda to have pages on social media facebook banned me on May Second Ban Me Paul Joseph Watson Milo? Who Else did they ban Alex Jones? I think he was banned actually before. I'm trying to think of the list of people who are all banned they banned Louis Farrakhan to and they said that seemed like just throwing one in just because we can't say his political bias delicious fair. But you know the funny thing about Louis Farrakhan though is even though Louis Farrakhan is is is pretty insane of course and total Jew. Hater The one thing that he does have in common is that he actually has praised trump. He was still a trump supporter even though he is he looking for the same reason. David Duke Liked Donald Trump. Which is a lot of these guys? These guys hate Jews. They kind of hear what they WANNA hear. And when Donald Trump came out and said I'm taking no money from Wall Street. They all really liked that they were like. Oh that's that's code. That's taking money from these Jews which I don't think trump was even making that code at all but like that. Now it's like. Yeah the thing is so. That's why a Lotta people weren't talking about. So Yeah Louis Farrakhan of course he called Jewish people termites. And I can't stand Louis Farrakhan I still think he has a right to free speech as long as he's not inciting violence right but you have to apply the rules fairly here and at the end of the day he was still a trump supporter and so facebook did still ban all trump's good point it they still ban on trump's supporters and people like to say oh well they banned Farrakhan to say that it's like political bias. Well it actually is political bias right and they designated me as a dangerous individual along with Milo and pj w and the others that they banned and according to facebook standards dangerous individual. You're either a terrorist. A serial killer or somebody who promotes a lethal violence? I'm not a terrorist. I've never committed murder. I never advocated for violence so the same week that facebook bands us. Okay a whistle. Blower report comes out for facebook and this whistle blower from facebook went on the record and said Hey. Do you remember when facebook said that they were going to be implementing an algorithm to detect isis and other terrorist propaganda to shut down Isis accounts well. They didn't do that and oh by the way. Facebook is also auto generating advertisements isis. So Isis literally is able to get advertisements on facebook generated by facebook. They're allowed to have facebook pages. Hamas has a facebook page even though in their charter it says that their goal is to destroy. Israel and killed Jews okay. Muslim Brotherhood is allowed to have Is Allowed to have facebook and twitter. But I'm too dangerous right. I was never allowed to pay for advertising on facebook or Instagram. All Tram Band on now so I'm too dangerous but isis is allowed to have an account and I will also say I because I know that because I went back and forth with a little bit a few weeks back but that the ANTIFA guys and facebook to organize that attack in which they beat the shit out of the anti no so my point is like clearly this bias right and clearly. They know what they're doing. Because I mean come on. I'm a twenty six year old girl and say things that are somewhat inflammatory but really the most dangerous person on the Internet I can think of pedophile members of the KKK isis terrorists. Okay some of our people serving in Congress in the Hamas caucus right people who are actually dangerous who are on social media. Well they're focused. Milos their focus. Most politicians are much more dangerous threat because I mean truthfully speaking also you mean it's like these guys who are you can like advocate for a war and then get the war and then go up. All that information was wrong. And it's like there's no like this is a direct call. The violence that ends up killing a whole lot of people. This is a big part of Donald Trump. Wants to because he was like what we fought like a six wars. We've been wrong every single time about itself when we doing here. The funniest one though to me is how. Cnn they have this guy named Oliver Darcy. He works for them and Oliver. Darcy is basically like this vengeful former conservative. Who was never talented enough to get a job working for conservative media like he used to go around begging people like James O'Keefe and Alex Jones to hire him but he's so boring and he's not funny and he's not talented and so no one wanted to hire the sky okay. He's a loser so CNN hires them and now he's working for the left and it's so funny because he's basically like taking out this vendetta on all the people who didn't employ him and so he worked to get Alex Jones Band and his argument was that. Oh well basically Alex Jones promoting all this fake news so we gotta get him banned right and when it was announced that Alex Jones was banned on twitter. Cnn's Oliver Darcy the CNN. Akao and twitter tweeted the exact same thing at the same time. So you see this collusion between the mainstream media and the tech companies to ban people. They don't like well if we're going to start banning people for fake news. When ARE WE GONNA BAN CNN? They for two years have been telling. The American people nonstop every Single Day for twenty four twenty four seven that there is Russian collusion. And then the Mueller report finally comes out and he says Robert Mueller says. There's no evidence of Russian collusion. It's fake news. Cnn and we should ban CNN. There's so many layers to that story too but what the craziest one to me was that you know that and this like almost no coverage. I mean a little bit here and there. But that's what actually revealed by the wikileaks document was direct collusion between the Hillary campaign and CNN as well was MSNBC that Donna Brazile had actually leaked debate. Questions that were then asked of it. Like you've got the email with the date on it and then that question does get out what could be more interference in an election collusion. And you would think like even if that's not illegal. Even if the James O'Keefe stuff that he uncovered with Google you know working to get Donald Trump not reelect even if that's not technically illegal. It is at the very least a huge story that everybody should be talking about like even even the stuff with social media censoring a conservative voices. Even if it's not illegal you would think at the very least. This is front page news. This is a big big deal. We're we're moving into a Huxley novel here like We. We should probably talk about this. I was my point. That's why I said even if you don't like Laura looming even if you don't think that what the social media companies are doing is illegal. Don't you think it's a big story that the executives from facebook and twitter took a meeting with a terrorist organization care the Council on American Islamic Relations that was found during the Holy Land Foundation? Terrorism trial our nation's largest terrorism financing trial ever to have been tied to and supporting Moss. Like do you not think that's a big story that we should be talking about the fact that the biggest tech companies in the tech billionaires are secretly meeting with Muslim terrorists to target Jews and ban them off the platform right. It's an conservatives on other people like this is this is a big targeting you for your politics. It's not. It's not targeting four being Jewish. If you're a left-wing Ju- you'd be absolutely fine. I mean if you if you had the correct pilots reasons to why they hate me is because like I said cares Hamas and they in their charts explicitly calls for the killing of Jews so I think being Jewish has an element of why they're targeting but of course they're targeting me for my politics but one of the reasons that I'm inspired so much to do a lot of what I do is because I'm Jewish right. I I feel very strongly about combating Jew Hatred and Sharia law and Islam affiliation and and things like that right because it poses a direct threat to to to to Western civilization to American values our Constitution and Jewish and Christian people will certainly the US. Yeah if if not all of Western civilization certainly the Jewish ones enough of a reason. Yeah and so my point is is that there's a lot of things right. My case is just one example right. You have Tommy. Robinson who is literally jailed for his reporting factual reporting and of course the social media companies banned him. You Have Milo Yiannopoulos who his life has been turned upside down. Roger Stone right the fact that CNN was just they just happen to be in front of his house when when guns were drawn and they had that raid on his home at what six in the morning CNN just happened to be there no one wants to talk about really ticked off clearly tipped off right. There's a lot of things that are happening and like I said it's a civil rights issue. It's not just a free speech issue anymore. People's civil rights are being violated when you have mainstream media corporations worth billions of dollars colluding with tech companies that have billions of dollars. And not only that. But then they're colluding with one of the major political parties in America to target and disenfranchise and dehumanize certain individuals and society because of their political leanings. That's a problem. That's a civil rights issue and as you just pointed out with the connection between the FBI who clearly tipped off that they wanna be Roger. Stone's home interesting Roger Stone. They weren't they just happen to be waiting on the day and by the Wrestler for the Fox affiliate station in Miami. That's where I went to college and they don't have a CNN bureau in in Florida. So they had to fly someone in so they definitely received a lot of advanced and it was because there is not a CNN bureau in the state of Florida. They have freelance pay. They weren't just following him now every single day for two years and happened to be there the day that he got arrested ads. But there's a lot of deep state ties into all of this stuff to the Mueller investigation into a lot of this social media censorship. And Look if you WANNA look. If you're not creeped out by the big companies and how they're behaving in America all you really gotTa do is take a look at how Google behaves in China and realized that that's the same company that company is happy to partner up with an authoritarian government and straight up. Be Like we. We will suppress information for. They are very happy to work with straight AUTHORITARIANS. Go Google ironically enough go google the connections between Google and the CIA go google. The connections between Google is a social credit score in China. If you think I'm saying it's if you think that my use of the Jewish star. The yellow star was extreme when I handcuffed myself to twitter to protest social media bias. And if you think I'm going too far when I say I'm living in a Digital Gulag. Go Google right now. The Social Social Credit score in China not only are the tech companies like Google. Like you said Partnering with Communist dictatorships that oppress people and censor them tremendously. But in China they have something called the social credit system and what it is essentially you are not allowed to have access to the Internet. You are not allowed to leave the country. You can't buy a plane ticket. You can't buy a train ticket. The government basically controls every aspect of your life like your grocery shopping by your healthcare. Your travel your Internet consumption your ability to have a loan or a live in a house have a car Depending on what they call a social credit score and what is the Social Credit Score? Well it's how good of a citizen you are. So how good you take. Orders from the government and You know do what you're told by the government so if you are a free speech activist in China and you're speaking out against Google or or the communist policies and the and the censorship. You'RE GONNA have a low social credit score. And so you could you. Could you could look this up right. Go Google right go through. It's so funny it's so ingrained in our in our I don't look it up and they are literally canceling people's train tickets and plane tickets and holding them hostage in their own In their own country because of the social credit system and while knowing this Google knows that China has this oppressive social credit system. That is probably coming to America soon. Anyway right you heard it here. You think it sounds crazy but if it's happening in China and everyone's talking about China being a superpower all right. How many times a day do you hear? President trump talked about China. China's a threat right instead of China is implementing the social credit system. What's to say that it's not going to spread to other places? This is what's happening in this country. People don't wake up if people allow for the Democrats to maintain power in the house and they keep voting for Democrats than they. Don't wake up and vote for president trump or they don't start speaking out against the social media bias which I honestly think tech. Censorship is the biggest campaign show out of anything else in this country. Right now I think tech. Censorship is the most important thing because it's through tech censorship. That all of these other communist fantasies are going to become a reality for the Democrat Party. Well it certainly. I mean as you alluded to earlier the idea that we spent two years going crazy about election interference. That turned out to be a pig. Nothing I mean even the stuff they found from Russia. It was like absolutely nothing. I think they spent thirty six bucks on facebook. It was like it was nothing. The collusion was all just made up. But YOU WANNA talk about interference and not just a democracy. It's actually much bigger than democracy. It's interference in the public square. Thought of how people are allowed to think what information they can get. What what ideas rights violation okay? So you saw you saw and I know you've been on Joe Rogan show before he won't have me on. Several people have reached out to him and told him. Hey Laura Limor on and he just doesn't have me on you know but the thing about Joe Rogan's he had he had a Dorsey on. Dorsey said Oh. Well I believe that having access to social media is a human right by your log. You're committing humor pilots. That's exactly right. So what Joe Rogan should have said is well then by your own You know a logic you're committing human rights violations against people who you're banning the human rights violations. It's not just happening here. In the United States Tommy Robinson ran for office recently. Okay you have people running for office in other places in the UK For example and you know at twitter did when he created his campaign account after he had been banned from his personal account. They banned his campaign account so now they're preventing politicians and people running for office from having accounts and facebook is banning right-leaning politicians and kicking them off their platforms Their shadow banning conservative politicians. Here in this country it's a human rights violation juicy. But that was the Rogan. Had Him on and then had him on again with Tim Pool? There I remember the first one when they had him on and Rogan asked him why Alex Jones got kicked off and he goes he goes. I don't remember what the Vanak you fucking liar like. You don't remember the most high profile lanning like it was like the center of announced all over your whole site was lit up by this banning. And you don't the details of what happened. It's like this is focused and I will say that temple did a good job a really making them look bad and I mean Joe. Rogan definitely paid the price for that too I mean the the mentions and his comments because people on both sides our like. Are you serious? You're just going to sit back and let Dorsey say that. And you're just going to let him give these excuses and lies and you're not gonNA push him on the stuff and I was very happy when Tim poll went on because he really schooled them but it was funny. How Jack Dorsey brought his legal counsel? But even then I'm he didn't he put it off his Legal Counsel Chick who works for me happens to be a lawyer and just happens to be aware even then to. He's still let them get away with a lot. Because because Tim Paul was talking about political violence and how ANTIFA members have accounts and was pointing out the hypocrisy. About how a how certain people on the right had been banned for offenses but then people on the left. We're doing it even ten times worse and they were just pretending like it wasn't it wasn't the case and they had an excuse for everything and they just there's no accountability whatsoever and it's a problem but But Yeah it's it is an issue it definitely. It definitely is a serious issue in this country and I've been trying to raise a lot of awareness about it but now unfortunately I've been shut down everywhere and people like to laugh about it. I don't know why people think it's funny. I don't know why people think that this situation and the platforming the I'm experiencing is something that they should be celebrating women gels even Joe. Rogan was laughing about it when I handcuffed myself to twitter and he said I was crazy. Well why am I crazy? Like what makes me crazy exactly? I don't understand how am I crazy. Because I'm I'm fighting for my rights to free speech. Could you imagine if he got banned and they just said you don't exist anymore? You can't have your podcasts anymore. You know you can't do anything you're cancelled were canceling. You can't have the Joe Rogan experience anywhere. These people will go crazy lose their mind but I'm crazy because you know I do something out of the box to raise awareness about it. Something very creative that ended up getting international attention. Trended number one on twitter right. I'm crazy or a a lunatic because I'm creative enough to find a way to make my voice. Her when the most powerful people in the world are doing everything in their power to make sure that I'm not heard how has a twenty six year old girl supposed to like compete with Tech Billionaires? Like these people like Jack. Dorsey Mark Zuckerberg billions of dollars the Democrat Party. You know Islamic terrorist organizations right is insanity you know and it's it's it's people spoken lives. I mean look I. I make my livelihood off of the Internet. I mean I make some money doing shows and stuff but like really support my daughter off of this this network that we have here and it's like yeah the idea that someone can take that away from. You is pretty fucking scary. People actually get ruined over this stuff so I completely get where you're coming from there and I do think that it's not like it's not at all crazy. I mean you've already lived through it yourself but it's not crazy to think about the slippery slope of where this can go in the same way that you see. The kind of milkshake thing is a joke and then just a couple months later you see them using like cement milkshake into these things escalate. You Open the door to them and they escalate and you see these financial companies talking about You know like they won't do business with gun manufacturers and you're like okay well it's not much of a stretch to say then they won't do business with people who just have guns. I mean they won't do business with right leg. It's like you can just take this one next logical step and go okay so now instead of just twitter kicking people off as you experienced briefly at least but say the banks get together. There's only like five of whom the banks get together go. You can't do banking if you run to my next point to. It's so funny because on the left says oh well you know Laura Milo Yuno. Alex like twitter is a private company. They can ban you. Why don't you just start your own? Social Media Company. Oh Yeah like why? Don't you start your own bank? Why don't you start your grocery store? Why don't you start your own hospital? Like how far is this? GonNa go wrong. It's not look. There would be somewhat of a point to that if we actually existed in a free market but the new government barriers to starting any of those things so when you have all of these well first of all to go. Start Your own bank. We'll have to be approved by the fucking Federal Reserve Board before I can do that. So I have to govern government regulations and government blockades. What about just the monopoly itself with Google and twitter and facebook and Apple. I mean there are people who have tried to create. There's a guy by the name of John John Mattes who's the CEO of this company called Parlor. It's a new social media company that It was supposed to be an alternative to a lot of this. Well he just got a notice the other day from apple threatening to remove his APP from the APP store if they didn't delete a the people like myself and Alex Jones who have been banned Off these other platforms right so even if you are an innovator and you come up with a new APP and it's doing great while these companies will just remove you. Look what they did to Gabrielle. And some of these other All TURN IT PLATFORMS. That are popping up those. They'll say oh. We're just going to kick you off going to ban you because you have Alex Jones Laura Laura Luma and Milo and other people on your platform so There is no free market solution to this anymore. Because unfortunately the government has allowed for these companies to have so much power jet. Currently Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg are more powerful than president. Donald Trump and. That's what people need to understand. And they don't seem to realize it the tech executives solids people and the president of the United States and they are censoring president trump. They're they're they're openly saying now they're not hiding it okay they. There was an article that just got published in twitter. Said that they are going to hide. President Trump's tweets and. No one is doing anything about it. Yeah like I said before what I really stand by his e feel however you feel about that whether it should be illegal or not. It is a story that is a story that should be getting massive amounts of coverage and it's not We are over time so we do have to wrap up here but where can people who are interested in following you? Can they read your stuff anywhere? Is there anywhere you can go to my website. It's Laura bloomer dot. Us If you go to drudge report as well I have my byline at least in my website at the bottom of the page. And if you really WANNA learn about social media censorship and learn about Mighty platforming and my lawsuit against twitter care you can go to free. Luma Dot Com and that's where I I sell the Stop the bias hats and the free lumers shirts and You know I don't really. I don't even make money off the hats and the shirts I just want a movement to be created right there just high quality items that I sell so that people can walk down the street and start a conversation with someone about what stopped by means because I think more people need to be educated about tech censorship because it is the biggest issue. We're facing so if you WanNa follow me just you know free free dot or Laura Lamar Dot. Us for now. Since I'm banned everywhere else all right well at least you still have those places where people cannot can check out what you're doing. 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Get her the DOCUMENTA drama of an actual crime for the next thirty minutes in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department will travel step by step on the side of the law. Through an actual case transcribed from official police fighters from beginning to end from crime punishment. Dragnet is the story of your police. Force action was Wednesday February Sixth Cooling Los Angeles. We're working day. Watch out four hundred eighteen. My partner's Frank Smith. The bosses can't Lenny's Friday as all the way back from a forgery officer. Was Ken twenty two when I got the Mug Room. I'm sure about it officer. I ever see that woman can. I'll know her once. You have any doubt about our. If you'll just look Brooklyn's have you seen anyone who might be the woman as burdensome not yet sergeant but if she's got her picture in here I'll find it for you ever forget that face as we kind they sorta reminded me of my mother Arrester? So that's why cash the check for never would've done it if they hadn't been something like that. I wonder if you'd mind running over to enforce might have been you've forgotten maybe no no no. I wouldn't forget anything about her but I can tell you about it. If you'd like find as far as we start at the beginning fine would you mind calling the Athol? I don't care for formality better when people call me by my given. If you believe this morning's when I found out about it like Keel over when the checking back in the bank opened up the other male mostly from people who want to sell me things for the store and there was that if in the bank with a check inside stapled one of those forms. You know the kind they checked with a pencil like I said there it was placed. It was check that the account was unknown. You can just bet I got on the phone. Call the bank people news. I told them they made some sort of mistake. Better set it right. I was so sure that you wouldn't do a thing like this. You know how banks are. They said they check it for me and I waited on the phone while they did and they said it wasn't any mistake. Well you can just bet that. I was hopping mad. What Kyle identification? Did the woman used to get you to cash the check letters from her son these. She said they were from dispatch. He hasn't even got a son when Sarah cash checks with that. Little identification. I don't usually ask for a driver's license and a social security card. Figured if a person's got one of those that means that he's working figures the check is well. It's not always true. You don't I know it now. You just bet I do catch when I haven't known for ten years saying this won't disturb before this time trying to think about that. The shop isn't very big but we do a pretty good business sometimes. There are several people waiting getting a hurry. You know when you are. Actually you talked to judgement me. I've seen in store before but when I stop and really think about it. I'm not sure you know how that is when you it right down. I don't think I have seen him before. She just had one of those faces that you figure. Sure you know like such a lovely person Bob. How old is she was like about? Sixty two maybe a little older might have been sixty five much over that though pretty hair pure white headed fixed in a real soft waiver for old fashioned kind of were Buongiorno button had the hair road up and then end up back here. Back over neck whites nice to see a woman acting liqueur age so many of them try to look younger. You know Miss Boom. How about her clothes? She was well-dressed. Had a sort of teal. Blue suit on a black coat. Looks like it might have been cash. Where the real nice little string gloves you say. She was a small one. Is that right? Yeah she was little stood real straight shoulders back but she was a little one more than five foot one. Or maybe two would you be slider heavy eight. Or how much would you say she weighed? Maybe one hundred pounds says she wasn't much heavier atmosphere hundred pounds. Was there anything unusual or anything that might make her stand out and I don't think so except maybe it was the perfume perfume you know how you kind of expect little old lady to wear something kind of mild like violent maybe a real heavy perfume on smelt kind of like a French. Sam really heavy like I said it was one thing. I couldn't figure out why she did have nice clothes and all she didn't look like she had a lot of money. Just moderate purview must have been expensive must have cost a lot. She's making enough to afforded me ten thirty four. Am Mrs Parkinson. Continued to look through the mugs books. She was unable to identify the woman who had passed the bad check. The merchants of the city had been victimized for the past three weeks by a forger all of them described her as a kindly old lady using letters from her son in the East is identification Franken. I had run the description. We'd gotten through on I with no result the stats office made several runs on the wall and all leads furnished by them had been checked out but they let us know where we obtain copies of the fords checks and they'd been process by Don Meyer and handwriting. But he'd been unable to offer us any new information. The names on each of the checks were different. We check each of them out but the leads went nowhere. All of the stores in the central area had been alerted. Descriptions have been distributed to the neighborhood merchants but the check passing continued checked on but they failed to come up with any information in two weeks past the woman twelve more times. Her take was estimated to be over. Twenty five hundred dollars the checks. She passed always for the same amount fifty dollars when it seemed necessary. She would purchase merchandise in order to cash the check the article she chose Ruina Price Range so that the store owner would often cash the check rather than lose the sale Thursday February twenty first eight thirty four. Am Franken back to the office. I got a forgery. Yeah I wear. Now let's see Harry Allen. Says he wants his right away. Says he knows the woman. We're looking for a working. Detective knows usually only as good as his informants quite often when all other means of bringing a case to a successful conclusion of failed. The only thing that'll break it is information supplied by an informant. Detective will protect his informant. For as long as the informant can operate. Detectives assured of a steady flow of information. Nine forty five am Franken. I drove over the coffee shop at the corner of Crawford and spring streets. Harry Allinson wasn't there when we arrive. We sat down in order to cup of coffee. Is couldn't pass the sugar whether Joe. Yeah there you go. Thank Alison is. What time do you say it'd be here? Forty five minutes after that. Now he'll be here right is story is what do you tell you on the phone? Nothing just what we were looking for that. If we'd meet him here he'd Villas Harry. Kim Hung up in Traffic Harry. No mystery car had to wait for another say guys at breakfast. You get a little earlier ninety five something. I'll go ahead waitress was she. Was You a minute ago. I don't see her now. Go get him myself. Sure you guys don't want anything to eat. No no thanks just the same airy okay all right now here. We go again Joe. Last time we met him as meal cost to festival. Bill you got you got a couple of bucks how you fix my much better. Hope he doesn't order too much. How about some more calls for you know? No thanks shelby. Two minutes about this information about the paper. Oh yeah funny the way I got. It is up to Jack's Bar last night. You know just having a Beer. Shoot the breeze. All of a sudden there's old girl comes into place had to set everybody back on there. You look so nice of slides up on the stools orders a drink. Even Jack Mistaken changed his apron and all anyway she climbed up on the stool orders from Sherry. Made a big thing. I mean well Jack for some of the four and she stopped him says she wanted California. Says you doin? It at imported stuff said her family was one of the first ones in the state and that she believed using homegrown products. Who's kind of cute about it? A woman perched up on. Do a cartoon you know the ones that a little Old Lady Guzman Martini say hold. Working Patio. Pids five hours together point. There's nothing to do about it frank. He's got his way like a big breakfast. I always say stoke up in the morning you got. It made the day. Yeah that's right here arm. Breakfast they call is in that sauce. Fried real good. I like it when Iraq can't stand pork that hasn't been cooked enough. Yeah you want to go on with the story. Oh Yeah don't mind. If he got a big day to day a lot of to know you go right ahead. Well I can tell you this. All brought order the Sherry. Last time went on. She must have had three or four him. A couple of guys game. I moved over to make room for them. Ended up sitting right next to the woman they pass. Oh X. which good without a lot of catchable his real flavor. Yeah Hey could you get the point? Maybe well first of all notice this perfume this broad swear to tell you. It's been a long time since a smaller anything like that. Real heavy stuff they sell in. France didn't fit. The woman certain seem to go with a restaurant. I tried to strike up a conversation. You know talked about the weather and stuff like that but she wouldn't. She didn't actually tell me but I could tell away. She answered me. You know Kinda cool. What makes you think she might be the one we're looking for we. She looked where she worked. What do you mean away? She worked anyway. She's had sherry sheets. I pay for them almost around for a while and I couldn't help seeing what was in that you know what was sitting right next to her and all well. She don't come up with any money and she starts going through his pockets. Still can't find anyone. Finding she asked Jack. Who's at the bartender? Yeah yeah he wants to place. She asked him appeal. Cashier's check now. I asked him either. One of YOU GUYS. Know Jack. Now I don't think we do know Jacqueline cash. Your check treasure the country. Not even if you had the president of outdoor install too many times. Yeah well this guy gets to them. Seem seem start to go. We kind of Hams and horse around all the time. He's trying to figure out a nice way to say no tour. Spiny UPTON says it well right after we kind of weights and expect you to tell him off for being so mean to somebody like but she doesn't hunches shoulders and then starts digging into persinger? Takes everything put it on? The bar happens to their driver's licenses. Line right there on the bar in front of me. Couldn't help and read it. You know. Yeah we note or name and I asked her. She left me by the wind. Would you say to them when it called her by name? Act kind of started like she didn't expect it and then she kinda smiles said. She was financially embarrassed at the moment. Something about coming away from the house without any money. But she said she thought it'd be very Sweden if I take care of the tapping all Jacksonian and I asked her if she'd like another one and then she said she didn't think she got all her stuff together and put it back into a person. Thanks me then. She got up and left. Yeah well what was the name on the driver's license? Do you remember that written down. After she left Jack me got talking about her and it hit me that she might be the one you're looking for saw down the name you ever see this woman before. Harry never laid eyes on her before she walked in the Jackson. Here it is. And that's the name the top of paper right under your address so the name on a piece of paper was Lillian. Hall was a new name. Chase gave an address out near Bel Air Franken. I called a name and I but they had no record on anyone answering that description. We paid the check and thanked Allen's for the information and then we drove out to the address was a large house just off sunset boulevard. Mrs Halstead wasn't in a made told us that we find her husband at the Halstead School of dramatic arts. She gave us the address and Franken. I drove out to the school was located large. Modern building on Wilshire Boulevard when we got there Mr Halstead was working with the advanced class in the drama section. We took a seat at the rear of the auditorium waited for him to finish. Dragnet change the way that people listen to and understood and radio broadcasting viewed Police work it was a full police procedural and that sort of thing really didn't exist before dragging it took to the airwaves in nineteen forty nine. Jack Webb did quite a job with the series and in fact most police shows the roots. That you here today are right from Dragnet January eleventh nineteen fifty three the big small on Classic Radio Theater. I'm Wyatt cocks coming up four minutes. We'll step back to the newspapers of sixty seven years ago today. And bring you the news of that date in history. The Future of TV will be disruptive outside the box. Sorry I just think the future of TV would just combine your favorite things like live TV on demand titles and access to Netflix and HBO in one place with voice remote that lets you find everything easily and that's what. At and T. R. U. Introducing. Atv call one eight six. Six eight to learn more available in select areas requires high speed. 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Listening to an episode of dragnet as it was originally broadcast on Sunday January eleventh nineteen fifty three in the newspapers of that Sunday sixty seven years ago today. These were some of the headlines General. Douglas MacArthur tonight. I heatedly blamed any excessive American military desertions on what he called president. Truman's policy of appeasement. It was a new peak in the feud between the chief executive and the man he fired as far east. Commander of the United Nations forces fighting in Korea. Macarthur used the most biting language. He has yet applied in answering. Truman's charge that the general whom he called insubordinate helped increase desertions. That lately have run to forty seven thousand macarthur saying if such desertions are indeed excessive despite the recent denials by the Defense Department they can be more realistically ascribed to a lack of faith in president. Truman's policies of appeasement and macarthur terms some of the president's attacks on him as Purell unjust and arbitrary obviously spleen savage methods in the Korean conflict and Air Force and Marine Armada. Three hundred warplanes poured tons of high explosive Saturday on a vital communist rail and road. Bridge Center in northern Western. Correa where supplies are funneled from Red Manchuria to the Korean fighting front smoke and spinning debris Rosen huge columns. That were seen thirty miles away. According to pilots these smashing daylight attack was the second half of crunching one to knock out punch aim just north of Sinatra sixty five miles southeast of the Yellow River frontier or eastern air force bombers beat twenty-nine dumped one hundred seventy tons of bombs on the same target in a night raid preceding the daylight attack president-elect. Eisenhower CHOSE TO MORE CABINET UNDERSECRETARIES LONGTIME FRIEND. Who held high posts in the Truman Administration and other American Federation of Labor official? He named General Walter Bedell as undersecretary estate and Lloyd Eight Mashburn California Labor Commissioner and a member of the AFL would wire and Metal Union as Undersecretary of Labor. Smith is chief of the Central Intelligence Agency and served for three years as ambassador to Moscow after world. War Two he was Eisenhower's chief of staff in Europe during the war. Jc haggerty Eisenhower's press secretary. Said he did not know so. Its political affiliation. Mashburn is a Republican. Unlike Martin. Durkin Secretary of Labor designate. Whose appointment was described by Senator Taft High. Oh as incredible Durkan a Democrat who supported the Governor Stevenson of Illinois. The Democratic candidate for president headed the. Afl PLUMBERS UNION. Presidential mercy was sought. Today by Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Atomic spies counsel for the New York couple sentenced to die in sing. Sing prison's electric chair for conspiring to slip atomic secrets to Russia piled on the Po for Executive Clemency with the Justice Department. The action climaxing climaxing along and losing series of court battles Meant an automatic stay of execution until five days after the president announces. His decision the rosenbergs eight thirty four year old engineer and his thirty six year old wife had been sentenced to die this coming Wednesday by Federal Judge Irving R Kaufman. Who called their crimes? Worse than murder exposing millions of their countrymen to danger and death from Syracuse. New York away were woodcock took off for the south today in an airplane. The bird half frozen and star Earth at an automobile service station in Syracuse yesterday Dr Mentioned Berts Syracuse University Chemistry Professor Bird Authority arranged for the small flyer to be taken aloft on the start of an airlift to a bird enthusiasts. Mrs Spread laskey in Nashville. 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We're conducting investigation and the woman with the same name as your wife came with. Just checking it out now. If he'd give us a description of your wife please see billions thirty six. Yes I I would say. She's Five feet six one half inches ways perhaps one hundred and thirty pounds for occurs. Her Hair Mr Halston. Before she left. It was sort of an Auburn Lillian. Said something about dying at red might have done it since you've been gone. Where's your wife? Now she's back in Washington the holding a drama festival and she's back there looking at over. You have a picture of your wife your Mr Halstead yes. I have one of my desk in the office. What if we take a look at it? Certainly you this way down this way peace. Thank you. Tell me what this investigation is that you're working on. Well NO SIR. Not Right now. We can cloak and dagger stuff going on so. It's not exactly that here. I'll get the door for you. This way excuse him all right. Here's a lovely woman. Denigrate Healthier School. Yes sir. How long ago was this picture? Taken several months ago. I believe Mr Hoste. How long has your wife and out of town a week ten days? So something like that. Your wife drive a car Mr Hall Stat. Yes so she does. Oh I understand the license Lillian driver's license. That's what you hear about. Isn't it. Well I don't understand? You don't have to be cagey with me. Lillian loss driver's license some time ago. I spoke to get her a new one. I didn't quite get a chance to do it. You founded that's it. Isn't it now. Sure that's not. We think your wife's licenses been used as identification by some check forger where your wife might have lost the license. No we don't know exactly. It must have been about three months ago. She says that she dropped it here at the school. But I've looked all over for it have been able to find it. I think she just left it someplace. She's terribly careless about things like that. Is this about the old woman that's been? Fortunately checks why they asked her well. That's another thing that I've been meaning to call you about. I was reading the paper one night and all of a sudden it hit me sir. Well I could be wrong but I think I know the girl was doing this. You're listening to dragnet the authentic story of your police force and action from sixty seven years ago January eleventh nineteen fifty three dragnet on Classic Radio Theater. The conclusion comes up in just three minutes on this Saturday edition here on your favorite radio station friends and family. I've been telling you for two years about how my pillow has given me a better night's sleep and now you can get my pillow of your own at an exceptional price. If you go to mypillow dot com click on the radio listener's special. 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We located a picture of the girl and handed it to frame. Why do you think this might be the girl looking for him as Halston well? It's the oddest thing officer. Peggy that's a small. Yes well they came to us about a year ago. I said she came out here to the coast from some little town. Idaho I think it was. I'd have to check her entrance application to be sure but I think he presided. Ho well instantly. I knew that this girl had talent real talent. Deep Down Talent right off the bat she had the field would have been a fine characters. Why do you say would have? She didn't want to work. Wasn't interested in anything but learning how to be an old woman. Sir All she was interested in was learning to act like a little old woman. We have a theory. Here's Holstead don't act live. If she did just that learn the make problems dress. Walk everything she even used to practice writing like a woman of sixty or so I used to practicing by the all she ever give you. Any reason for all know still wants but she said that this was the way she wanted it. I thought that she was trying to tell me to keep my nose out of her offense in a nice way so I didn't ask the game now. We have presentations here. You know each term. The class presents a play. That's been written and produced by the students themselves. Peggy would always do the oldest female pattern. Them never was interested in anything else. She had several good office but for some reason she did not take. What do you mean by that? Well one night. A talent scout from one of the majors came out to play. It was quite majors. Oh the studio. He was quite impressed with Peggy. Offered to return contract. Good money she have done well but she just was not interested. I just can't understand it. We'll do you know where she is. Now no officer. I haven't seen Peggy since you left here. That was about four months ago. One of you could tell us where she lived when she was enrolled. Here certainly I have the address on her enrolling cod. That's fine. We'd like to have the names and addresses of close friends to. We could certainly glad to help. You think it could be her. Peggy the woman. You're looking for well. It could be. Yes sir now I got to thinking about it when I read about it in the papers right away made me think of Peggy. How she used to talk about acting. How's that sir? Well she used to always say there was only one reason for doing anything and that was to come out on it. That was the trouble with most people who they just didn't know they wanted to end up but she knew where she was going. Maybe she was running a big. She's the one we're looking for. We know two three twelve. Pm We got Peggy smalls address from Mr Halstead and then we went back to the office. We ran the name through our and I but there was no record on the girl for two PM Franken. I drove out to the last known. Address at the small girl was a boarding house on Ninety Second Street. Peggy small wasn't in with the landlady told us that usually didn't get back from work until seven or seven thirty. We asked if she knew where the girl worked but she told us that she didn't. We arranged for a stakeout on the House and at four thirty seven. Pm We check back into the office one. Check the book right. They don't think so confident fe. What's probably Hong for college out based on a little? Hack that me. That so yeah. Last night she's waited for me and I didn't make on. Yeah I don't know yet. Yeah I don't think so. I know I know how maybe another hour saw. Okay bye it'll make it a nice. Scalping forgery Friday. What's that address again? Yes ma'am we'll be right. There is going to have to wait again. Sly dragged out on main forges. They're in the process of the investigation. The Police Department had alerted the merchants throughout the city to the method of operation of the woman forger thousands of credit circulars had been distributed bearing her description an artist conception of the woman had been published in the daily papers in drawing and also been broadcast over local television stations. The Clark in the star. We'd Gotten McCall from it notice the similarity between a woman waiting to cash a check and the description from the information we've gotten on the hotshot. The woman was waiting for an authorization for the check. So Franken I got to the store. We met a small elderly woman she produced. Nf occasion in the form of a drivers license. Bearing the name. Lillian Halston Franken. I asked her to go with us to the City Hall for questioning. A policewoman was called the interrogation started. One look at her and you could see that. She was covered with a heavy makeup. I want you gentlemen to know that. I resent the implication. You're making the idea trying to make me out vicious criminal. We're not trying embarrass. You just want to get the truth here and giving you what you want to know or let's get it over with. What's your name Lillian? Hampstead physician driver's license estimate is the phone print on it should be yours too. Is that right? I'd imagine so. Yes suppose we go down. Take your fingerprints and competitor the man. I know my rights. You're not dealing with some little school girl. This time. I did a long time and I know just exactly what you can do. And what you can't do know for instance. It can't take fingerprints in this. You want to arrest me. You want to make a fool out of yourself to that extent then you go right ahead and do it and Marcus were young man. I'll sue you for EPI nuclear own. I'll let the papers know about this. They have to do how you treat women they just love to know your ever been mistreated in any way man. No and I don't intend to be. There's a man on the way down here amendment Emma. Halstead wife's name is low in Halston that driver's license we found in your purse when you claim is yours. That's registered to his wife. He's coming down here to tell us that you wife that you stole at licensed to student is dramatic school. I wanted to save us all a lot of trouble here. Why don't you admit that you're the woman we're looking for the GOP small? You're an old woman. Small right lose. Its I should've known mine if I take this week off. It's kind of warm here. We've been kinda waiting for go right ahead. Good wreck while it lasted crummy driver's license. That was doing all right as long as I used the letters. They should have been good enough for me. I should've known. Would you do with the money I got it? All every last nickel almost had enough to enough for what? Leave this lousy town get out here go back East New York. We're pieces of paper. Not had it made cra left almost showed him shown good from down months. 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Yeah what am I gonNA do about slogans? It's tough after a while. How about when I call you up? I the slogan instead. Well what do you mean? You don't know we'll have to give you an audition. I need a new one every morning by starting tomorrow morning. I'll call you back. I have one. I'm going to see about seven now. I'll call you back the minute. I have well joke on him by wile along time. Tiny by going to do for you. You do twenty five hundred Johnny. I like money but when a guy like you has turned the then all of it is is the first time we're not GonNa do this if you don't like it you don't take or twenty five hundred. I'll listen. Read the papers. How Brennan Skit I read? That have been as opposed to before the grand jury. They had enough on him to put him away for twenty years. You Re five thousand twenty five hundred B half of that. Wouldn't it just wears? That's what you wanted to listen to isn't it? I know where he is. I just think you want to make sure I got the lead but I don't want to turn them in. You know what happens if the boys find out you tiffany. Why give it a long time? Look tiny tiny. I I I gotta be honest. I don't like you researching. I never did favors. When he was a cop came out all right. And I still didn't like you. I don't like professional and especially I don't like one for take the whole five thousand Hemu. Let me see if I can do. Levinson a favor bringing renters and still make twenty five hundred. We'll split right down the middle which a deal as long as I don't have to see you too much issues. What hanging string. He's not a local boys. Import used to work for vending magazine. Lewis Nineteen twenty nine Titi when Benny's Ruth East. He stayed in Timpson as before my time so I had even skipped town. I hear he's hiding out right in town somewhere till he poos. That'll be smart. You know they'd cover everything in and out skip yesterday morning along avenue I heard about string and I started he smart. He wouldn't Damocles local boys so strange at Jolly Guy. No Nile a kindle when he saw Benny's where midnight the contest nickel Mabel in Long Island. You'll be there. You look tiny playing the same diamond everything. You could make the score room. Okay time what time. Well I've made a deal with tiny. Gillespie half in the five thousand dollar reward. But I'll Brenner. One of the biggest names in the business. I'd known tiny if a lot of years he was a professional student. Hulu the underworld like the inside of his shirt and didn't have a friend whose name it was dangerous. Doing business with tiny but twenty five hundred can take the edge off a lot of things. I went home change. My clothes was about to pick up the phone to call your office. Detective Agency can't get sherlock or Perry Mason. Today I start Jason. Pretty good food grade. I thought great a call. I can't make it into lettuce lead. I'm sorry I started such a wonderful dinner and I started making twenty five hundred dollars hundred hundred dollars. Just take your time. Dinner's not that important. I knew you would understand how we're tied and don't worry about me. I'll tell you when you saw the twenty five hundred. You don't think that I'm on the interested in the money. Not in a million dollars Years Because Helen was so interested in my welfare I mentioned Bara her convertible and by eight o'clock. I was packed. The corner of Maple and palm on Long Island. It was easy to understand why tiny picked his spot to me. It was his dog is a mine shaft. There wasn't a house on a half mile. I let a camel setback away. Got To be eight. Sixteen tiny still hadn't arrived by eight thirty. I was beginning to wonder if he ever would by nine. I was sure he wasn't trying to back the town kick myself all the way there. I like Chinese. Couldn't trust I was feeling a little more than guilty getting involved. By the time I hit Broadway I was mad at in a while bowl with a hot fuck turned right go down to the river and a dive called the Purple Guide her a Hang Audra bum and a stool evening. I need Gillespie. Only a few customers in the room. Abacha named Samson that. I've done business with before. I'm looking for tiny Gillespie drink. I'm not interested in a long illness. Have you seen tire alien earlier? Razz seven left around seven. No Way was going. He didn't even know Luitingh Bitch. I'm just looking at the same. Hey well well. What are you doing chocolate? Mount Allenton guys attending and it's GonNa give us much choice that or a stomach I showed the late is looking for about eight. Who says when you're wearing that official firm Ross? Levinson absolutely seem tiny. Gillespie who yet? What do you mean what do you mean is it? I was just asking for what I meant when you WANNA before. He was supposed to meet me. Why just about stop acting like cop? Was it all about this in checking on Chinese activities Brian. Eight o'clock tonight and just tiny do prior to eight o'clock tonight for one thing. You Got Himself January twenty fifth one thousand nine Hundred Fifty two Dick Pal starring as Richard Diamond Private detective on Classic Radio Theater. We continue in three minutes. Our prime responsibility is protecting our families. But we also need to protect our family's assets for years. I've studied economics in the Bible and as Financial Professional. I'm Dr Tom Barrett. I found gold to be the best way to protect assets from government gone. Wild gold is ridiculed by leftists elites. Who say it's old fashioned and suitable for financial planning but gold is anything but outdated smart family. Chooses part of their retirement plans. Gold has been the universally recognized money since the beginning of time. 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Missing defendant in the grand jury investigation had agreed NEAT NEAT. Eight o'clock that night but never showed up and when I went looking for him. I run in the lieutenant. Walt Levinson fifth precinct. Police killed we've been out of the station where we talk more about it. He was killed sometime in separate thirty eight about a half mile away. You WanNa money really worked him over. Medical report is broken. Back fracture of the FEMUR fracture our hands. It was a mess cookie. John thanks setting up yourself patio Dolphin that's obvious skinny. A HOOD NAMED STRING SAINT LOUIS. Our vendors in nineteen twenty nine thirty on what she got underway and he's been following him. Australia was working as a contact. Runners Heine saved. Brennan's were still in town thought. So he said he followed. The story is unpleasant. Believe he met with Brennan Wreck. You ought to know better. They get mixed up with a guy like tiny but my conscience drake birth coat and you do the Muslim coughing. Yeah lack of the usual problem. Sweetie Pie Ramos's close and tiny was supposed to meet you a half mile from where he was killed as a good bet. Brennan could still be in. That area skipped again and found out. Tiny hadn't spotted. You'd never get Outta town now and I don't think he's too worried about selling tiny think he'd ever figured would tell anybody what he knew. Stein. He's done business with the law. Andy knows that the law instead of tiny. That's right I think benders is word. But if he's got a good hideout. I think stay put as lab report on Chinese scraping. The bottom of his shows indicate fertilizer no grass kindness. Body was lying at the bottom of a gully then houses new not from miles yummy on the map where the body was found. I'm supposed to need him. Their naval and palm sure is much that section Heine couldn't have been too far before he was killed. We went to pick napalm verify for buddy wanted to show me that makes sense where they show dump his body to close the Brennan's hideout okay. Okay maybe the Dory five or ten miles five or ten miles in every direction from able in Palm Churchyard. Yeah I know I've got a hunch Brenda's put out an API. Be On this thing guys check records of Douglas Louis for Description Ryan. Where are you going to see if I can beat you the Brenner I looked right? I all honey with tiny. There's a big old five thousand all in one chunk Brennan. I don't want the glory just the move. I left the station plan in the car and drive gas station where I felt up with gas and picked up a map of the Long Island section. Then I went back to my office. It started checking the Long Island Fund record. I knew it would take me a week defined the new law and Walter already doing that so I concentrated on something else. I look for some place that might sell for liven grassy. I was one such plays in that area. Hudson Gardens of is and that was a phone took a chance that maybe the owner someone lived there and called him. I is this the Hudson Garden. Why is this the Hudson Garden this this this diamond? What do you want to sell fertilizer? Aggressee the last few weeks kitten. You do sell fertilizer legalize guy come on this. Is Police business racing? Not You said your name diamond. You want us to come out and pull out a bad sight. Sound like a game. Have you sold any fertilizer grassy than the last few weeks? A lot of any grassy address in that area probably took a big road. I don't remember the pill have to look it up a now unless you want us to come out there and help you okay. All the phone. Hell Yeah that grass seed winter seventy seven eight charm with the name of the bill you wrestle zone. The other grassy the last week always a lot of flowers. Implants plenty I heard. You must love your work Climbed back into the car and headed back a long island and seventy seven eighty eight shoreham drive forty minutes later. I pulled up on a lonely role in the car. Lights Out Hill. New Rest homes stood out against the moon only castle except for lighting one the wings ground surrounded by fence out of the car and started walking. I kept going until I found a section of fence with a man might be seen in the house. I went up and over down and stopping my fault with my hands when I felt my hands were covered with new grass. Remind one hundred jobs between the fence the main building and the moon reflected off like if anybody was watching from the house. I've never make it without being seen and that his lawyers. I could Iran about halfway. Stop listening Rest come out slowly insurance the cold and seeming like I wanted to dig a hole and hide lightning on then. I started again running low looking from side to side never behind the name girling slam myself against. I stayed there and I caught. My breath moved around to the front door and tried it. I got the surprise in my life it was open on myself standing in the lodge room. Die Except for a small red light burning over a staircase to my left led to the floors above and there was another smaller room to my right was black except chefs relied slamming into the window. When those an open-door something was wrong. He was behind me probably waiting behind the door. Nineteen and was a door unlocked. Figured he'd been expecting shoots nutcase. You'll pardon my back I'm taking in. Yeah what would you call this off really just a big cigarette? Tell look what is this time and private check Ribot detective? Who May retire? I think I can guarantee it. Did you spend causing lung and you time defense itself in alone? Well my car pro gun. I thought give us the phone. Yeah no I don't believe was it march. You'd better come down and sees a private detective ally a gun well. Hello Renner's is a private capital right. Used to be a legitimate out. All right then surprised. I thought you skipped email. I didn't tiny tiny I told you I told you we got up. You gotta get Outta here. I'll lose my whole business making enough and now with this private detective that man last night telling how many more twenty five me I don't know you're talking about Brennan and just as surprised at seeing you is alive and is pleased might have told the police WanNa know. It's here by analogy. Had you're going to be a little trouble hiding on a man who is wanted by the federal government? He's right Venice when he's trying to talk himself out of a jam monotony's rights relax. Stinger gets here. I'll leave. Thank goodness in the meantime you better take care of a dime you mean I can. Yeah the way. It did with tiny. Gillespie he's in there. You don't WanNA lose this place. Do you know and I don't want anybody around talk about me. How come you're what tiny over like bad? Why didn't you just use your gun for its rate? Actually you're gonNA have a hard time working me over like that. We're not going to see that. It'd take him downstairs bigger radioman. Yeah all right over to that door. I see you again go on. I'll have to shoot you down those big mistake. I have no choice. Evidence might get you off easy. A murder charge might get just life and I might not upright. They're open the door and going on a lawsuit right here working out. It is that I got somebody for your out on. I love locked in the basement. There was someone else there with me. There's a man. His head was shaved his eyes wide and staring. He was sitting in the car and pulled himself up. He looked at me kept his head to one side. Like it was listening to something then. He was on his shoulders hunts hanging decides and even bent over like that he must have been six and a half feet tall. It's not looking good. Dick Powell is Richard Diamond private detective from January. 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Like he wanted to keep on playing wasn't going to be able to. He started moving in again and I kicked him his hide. I couldn't stomach. You doubled over for a second. I felt bad then. He straighten rush. Got His arms around me and it was like getting caught by constricted. I-drive fought tighter. You squeeze I started to pass out thought I heard shots. Then he pick me up over his head and the link try to set up just two days the half light I watched in shuffling. I'm swinging. He was so strong and didn't even know he was fighting. A man. Just dial it wouldn't play anymore gonNA break thousand pieces you reach for me. Just run somebody on. The out of the door started shooting. The giants stop. Vote of the door was pulled back. Then he turned on me to located. Stringer Taylor so haven't compact outside the fence. That thing over there just an animal. He used to be a man away. Tiny got killed patio shaking up but another couple of minutes you get Brunner's and putting them name okay. All the shooting outside the door. Oh let me. Who told you I was down here. Yeah Minute we came through the front door bonds down. The stairs spotted them in one after blush little high. What are you going to do with that? I'm GonNa buy you the best present you ever had in your life like. Oh it's a beautiful stone L. It's it's really nothing nothing. Got The peace during a some power. Baio this is naming and bone Meadow Mountain Avenue. Care isn't it. Make it into thousand. Miles figure was rather windy. Don't laugh that was the biggest animal I've ever seen six feet. High and one hundred Navy couldn't kill him. How did you ever get data? Mahinda a how do I look? Nick never had it so good at any idea. I'm going to buy you the she's made farm. Your present just arrived. I hope you like it. Well I don't know how to rally nothing. I know in good health and I'll see you soon. I'll never forget you for this old man. He loved his but he saved my life. 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Today wanted ability by state we close out this hour of Classic Radio Theater with an episode of the Nineteen thirty two series. Police headquarters the episode entitled Judge. Carlton Missing Just minutes detective bureau cop trying to pick reporter or you're here. I think step on that on a big K seven newsletter. Talk to him at all. Sure I'm on a job and don't you ever get tired to check it up? Sure I'm after but a lot of good hitters. Don't anymore Joe Okay okay. All -Kay see how it is. You'll man's riding on. I thought you already know. Boris Yeltsin hasn't been kidnapped. He's invite again but why don't you realize it thinks cases the air in here you guys are sitting around waiting for him to come in and say how boys? I've been out on a thinks next. We're doing everything we can. You might photographer. You've got with your on helping anybody owning us on route. What about it? I'm getting today lesson yet that I find jets call two million readers and again that demand. Since when do people start wasting their time? But I wake up dummy. Have a cameraman over there on the chair and got off and space. We've got worked at doing here. Put THAT THREE ALARM. Fire somewhere. Going reserve officers on the traffic speed. Hey weapons wake up. Wake up giving telephone welcome in the wake up all all catch Guy Reston. Come on among step out. There's work to be done. Hey where's that park caps in whereas me? There's a telephone how how. Hey where's the fire? Plant thanks McDonald's. I'm on and don't get all tangled up in that camera there Enough anymore respond. Fire anybody WHO'S GONNA fire? Some of these may be no good to hear you want me to hold. You can get up on that building up away from this crowd and get sort of a third all in their new city. Ettore hollinshead all. We don't get good luck. I was GONNA GET UP. All right escape in tally road. I'm careful that ever. I don't get up gone dummy not at all. I stumbled on. Look here in the alleys. I tripped over quick. Bring light on him food. Sometimes maybe a flashlight like shelby meadows. Yeah must've been hitting funneled pretty heavy to get this drunk. He's not look. Yeah you're on the corner and got a cop and get to the nearest phone and call cap and trade. I'll say that guy that'd be plenty of Cain raised over this Cubby Medicine Star. He's he did to his heart. Looks like he's been shot from behind. I've got a friend of mine calling Captain Fred. Stay here in. The Labor is going to take action star one of the best in the business and signed a drink bet but he's eight high on the newspaper photographers limping. Get ANYTHING RIGHT OVER TO RUN two blocks for a phone to canton. Should be here pretty quick but your fun. He's been shot in the back. It's like it was on the assignment. Maybe it was on air photograph. Fire isn't shopping Cameron Forte. To Jesus too bad he was a swell guy. It'll be tough on his wife to live. I don't know I was married. Yeah it's been married more new year. He's got a wife and a kid be hard on. I'd like to have all of the dirty route to Polish paper. Blow the lead off on this but we all will be kept against Jimmy Cameron. What's going on for her? Let us somebody plugged them in the back. No but did I say take a look for yourself. What was he doing here? It's like he was taking pictures of the fire fitness. I mean what was he doing here on this alley flow wimpy here? How did it go up on the top selling across from the fire making a few shots? Chubby? Probably have to say my dad. Mike got a couple of cars and lights on this island from both ends all over the place with a fine tooth. Comb and see what you find got cold blooded deliberate murder if you ask me. Chubby having enemies you know as much about it ideals shelby. Mothers wasn't the kind of a newspaper man made enemies all insure on into something for the sign. Working on how it should I know I work for the gazette's vets your job to find the guy who shot him taking flagger that's went being invaded. Elemental probably put an extra out. Since I pull in my soul rates have gone into head Trenice. I WanNa follow this thing through develop fire. Pick too soon as you get a chance. Berkeley will probably WANNA use them as a filler. And the next two days okay. Hey you big dummy. Don't forget your plate case know all right. Thank you and I talked to the city editor of the saw. He says the children of those wasn't on any particular assignment. Tonight's let me ask you a lot any previous assignments. Yes the Chubby. Been following up. Some leads on judge causes disappearance but nothing came on. Yeah a couple of dollars. The paper was all of those friends and associates. When I get something Judge Kyle. Hey did they identify the body on higher tonight? It wasn't anything less to that if I want some season instead of keys. Checking up on the news. That's all they are. What do you mean sending in with a picture like this and not giving me a line on what I call the whole story before I left the scene? I send whip you with a picture. We got the pictures but not relying on judge confident. That's out and said anything about Carlos says say. Are you playing not enough but I think ular? I've told them the whole story of finding Joe Chubby medicine the alley before I came down ever kept the trends. You said anything about shutting meadows. We've got that story and Finan speech for an hour. But I wanted to follow up on that picture. You took a judge cops and say picture what you need to say that you didn't take this here. Take a look at this picture. Wherever for the. Hey Captain Judge Concert. Yeah big. Love walking whatever Steve Young guys. Where did you get that picture for? Either way? Must've taking when he didn't take it. He says you must've taken while he was running the telephone as crazy as usual. Hey Well Chubby success picture. What do you mean jumping matters? Took that picture. And that's why it was killed. Wimpy picked up the wrong place when he left. He developed Chubby pictures. I'll be then you didn't take what quiet. Oh okay okay now. The body and the rooms judge costs. They what they identified the keys in the ring belonging to Judge Call. So that's something wrong. There we got a picture of judge. Coffin Steve Yeager walking together. I wonder where metals took this picture. Looks like the alley where we found him now. I know what happened? Judge Carlson in on this. So Steve Yeager yeager is the one who probably turn the heat on Chubby Flyer while you remember the indictment against Gaiger. Don't you Carlson? Turn the down. I've noticed that he's been letting yeager hoodlums go free when that grand jury threatening Investigation Judge Carlson disappeared. Then there's a fire and he tries to make it appear that if he's been caught in the fire and shelby meadow saw the walking and took a flashlight and try to get away with. Hello Delta. Minute border dumb camera Miami. Oh that's good for what's the address. Six Twenty one clinton that good look you stick outside and we'll be right down six twenty one clinton what's up wimpy just called to say that three months grabbed him coming out of. Renton took these cameron placate the waiver federal. That's the reason chubby killed. Thought wimpy had this pick cabbage. I haven't heard the best of it will be grabbed a taxi and following three months. He calls from across the street from where I stand as Saddam. Got A car in three minutes on right away. All come on. We've cornered those rats The raiders at the corner of a group that dome photographer. He's been hard quite he's been hit on the head higher. Your kid care that we're heading for the airport. 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I've been called many things post which I'd rather not repeat here but strangely enough the one thing. I've never been called the one thing I am a businessman. I give you a little less than any economic. All business pays in direct proportion to the amount of risk involved safest investment therefore being the return now my rejected likely to be high because I'm willing to dig risk outside the law. That's high finance starts getting really high high wide and handsome following the Atlantic rates. My point it's called five thousand Tangos and a kiss. What you may ask is a Pango. It is not a small black and white blood. Pango is what they use the money. In Hungary a kiss is the same thing all over the world and now Orson Welles as Harry Lime. The third man in five thousand pain goes and a kit. In Hungary there is little events after the war brought about new and very strict laws concerning getting out of the country but people always wanted to get out of countries even shiming countries like Hungary he used and when they can help pay well for certain risky arrangements being made for them so inevitably. I found myself in. Budapest soon. Makes it necessary context and then like any good businessman went looking for customers? Which as in any business or found in the nicest places. That's why one evening not long ago I happen to be at the exclusive place but not nearly so lovely of the young lady. I soon noticed making way to my table. Big Your partner. I don't believe what acquainted no not my name. 'cause stupid not famous and equally lovely. Nevada for the compliment. But you haven't answered my question. You run the risk of being tried to remind you that a rose by any other name was fell asleep on. Sit Down all right. I'm out of the country and to understand that you see them on a certain area that you can't believe everything you hear and you certainly can't repeat it in public places anyway. Oh I didn't realize I guess you've been working on. No no actresses are like that. The show must go on. Never thought arrest. Eventually they'll going to work in a long time. You've had a single day away from your work. Nine much to be more important one. I think you need nothing so much as a quiet stroll in the zoological garden actually in the world. To fact I'd be delighted to offer my services as your escorts tomorrow afternoon and show you the Monkey. How really I'm not in the mid by now. Nothing could be more important to you right now than it is to the Monkey House Mara. One handed when I write adequately on a bag of peanuts. I've been informed by experts. Monkey is found that the Looking for someone Oh. I hope I'm not George just driving myself Jefferson peanuts. No thank you. I don't like them. Couldn't we talk companies? I guess another conversation such as Hell with north. Oh I suppose you're right. They're pretty tricky. Isn't it what is with that? Monkey caught subpoena. Can I have attention it? I won't take you have my undivided attention. I must leave the country as soon as possible and I was told you could arrange it for me. I tried to get a possible many times but they've always refused what's down. You know. Ground applications simply go on on such reason. I don't know they simply ignore my require. No reason I tell you the story number of years. My husband is in Austria. The evidence of the wall must be lonesome own little monkey all alone in that cage over that my husband. He's the reason for my being refused. A passport you see. He's an enemy of the country. Gene that would like nothing better than to get him back here and I'm being held as your we've been apart for a long time now and the last one I received my husband is planning to visit but if you should even try to end this country I hate to think of the faith the weights him for monkeys standing around. But now you know my story I must get to also before my husband does something rash. I understand. You can make the necessary arrangements for me. So they are really only two questions I have to ask. Where did you do it? And how much will it cost? You know something very lovely. My did we mention I am paying attention to anyone else would be ten gold penguins with someone is. Janis yourself by thousands and the kiss still couldn't open the gate of one of these gauges these monkeys. I wonder if they would stop to quibble about five thousand penguins at the shook lots tomorrow. Midnight must be running along. You'd like to stay with the monkeys may have these peanut stand monkeys such greedy little fellow following evening at midnight. House official bad night's fine Drizzle Hill via Sean. On the cobblestones. I watched the square from a dog. Doorway just as the clock struck. Twelve insistence with Simpson. Was Helena Bonham. I stepped out and said good evening. Oh you stopped at me. I wouldn't be here. I brought the money. He had to all in Goma by the way. Standard around handing over large sums of money promoting right hand part of your coaching. Yes doll sunny. Start walking with me. Nothing attracts the police officers. Who has a couple of arguing night alone street? Keep you bought the money. What happens now? There's no blueprint for these things. Take each step is it. Arise I ever heard of the little village of over half chummy. Chummy Country Club located nearby. You could arrange appearance by Gallup survey convenient little village. Any geography book will show you. It's located grants near the border. See go there without a work permit. Can I can't leave Budapest initials as thing for us. I suggest you for work permits to got now again. Apologies and freedoms leave you. How can I get into stone? Keep the money in strange. God I this pocket normally disappears you just in good hands MMA because a business such as mine can lead one in strange paths by the next morning led me to the Budapest police departments or more specifically the office of a certain police. Lieutenants was hot at work. At the time I pay Joe visit again. Things want simple matter that sense. I'd like you to arrange a work permit for lady migraine. Adamy now seeing nine to five asking favors for your girlfriends as you. Well know I am not at all satisfied with the way out of has been working God but did six months now since you believe anyone consequence and beginning to one that about this whole arrangement the latest name happens to be Helen. Helen Patton Patton time to leave the come as I thought I'd put it rather clearly. He was sort about these. I've already been paid in full one. Nine one one. I need Inspectors making my lightness. Everyone should keep him quiet. But what and inbound right. That should be pleased. When does she want across the board? I made any arrangements. I assumed it wasn't necessarily sped that trouble in these cases through these findings defense I want in the caught in the act of trying to cross the border an example might be made. You mean you want me to go through with this for the last eight. This is no Agreement at all. I. I don't mind doing what I must stay in business. But I don't relish leading victims of the Guillotine holding ahead while the nightfall lying grammatical arrangement. Then you I must have a major of the. You'll have no trouble. I don't like it I didn't ask you what you like agent so that you'll be absolutely safe. You can leave the guy who voted just before my main closing on my. That's the way it must be. Okay Okay Eriksson make your arrest the Boorda Angel. Euboea reasonable about these. When does she want to go? Oh nothing's been arranged. I told her to apply for a work to appear at the country club. My Ms will be in my Gat over by tomorrow night. Orson Welles returns in just a moment from January twenty fifth nineteen fifty two. The lives of Harry Lime back in three minutes on Classic Radio Theater. Now you can fly anywhere in the world and paid discount prices on your airline tickets. Boca flight today to London Paris Madrid or anywhere else. You WanNa go and pay a lot less guarantee call the international travel department right now at low cost airlines eight hundred two one five five one four one eight hundred two one five five one four one. That's eight hundred. Two one five fifty one forty one with the recession ending. 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Banner maybe it would have been similar to on by railway but experience has taught me the con- cases valuable so I arrived at the country club after nine o'clock Helena's just finishing a number but she saw me as soon as I came into the room and she heard it over to them. You've come just faded. Wouldn't be tonight with trump and other coming range have been made immediately outside. We drive to the first area near the border. The barbed wire how arrangements have been made at a certain place has been cut. I'll take you through short distance beyond at the beginning of the forests. I think we can go. Slowly wasn't as our heads. I'm quite calm really have in common. We walked out that door. The club manage the entire police department. Donald is before we got one hundred feet. How can you leave me now? The latest alone in their out through the back window. Yes I I hate to sound dramatic. Oh Gosh the only way out of the time you do that. I'll be waiting behind the building I wanted to go. She was obviously afraid. I'd courage she'd crossed their own gone out the car that led related. Then I started from the front door but I haven't gone vanished. Fine when I get you outside. One can see as quick. Yes we can talk here. What happens did you bother to get has thought before you went lost a few little nitrosamines likewise like the fact that people she approached you shaping getting for some time. It's not the only win he's got you know ten alleged needed. He's with you. He wanted he's even inspector until what did you hear. This often. Inspector has been found one that made my second problem. You're planning arrest anyway. Maybe you inspected once a w what do you mean? W. will settle for nothing less than the girl and you say that does complicate might as well go back to the temple not be. Don't want them to attempt made nineteen SPEC that we know just we had the weekend and they went into super one thing we can do the girl attempt across the board. I don't think it's the Bob Wino- further. I'll go on alone up to you to see that. The erupted made in the forest at the border itself. Knows ordinance he wants you even more than that lieutenant. He may want me but he's going to have to do without me and I'm settled with a girl can't what he knows is the only way an abundance still a big catch an ambitious man if I happen to escape in the darkness. Who's to blame your naked state inspector little triumph I well. Somebody said he runs away. Live to fight another day. I didn't say you would like it but you have to accept it. Excuse me the ladies room Tricky distraught young lady anxious deletes would come shit. I approached my rivals that in revenge. They've gone to our mutual enemy the police however as ation in my line of work proceeded as if nothing happened in Mexico grill countries. We assume I driving down a back roads. We came to the barbed wire the last barrier before the border. This follow me. Be CACKLE GOING. Just a few more. You're over the border line. One hundred meters aggressive field that for us up Sunday. We'll meet again but not say goodbye to deport again. No problem no further obstacles ahead you can go now agreed to take me cost the justice no time technicalities honey you're substantially at the board and. I must turn back. I'm trying to get through the wire again. The Border Patrol. I are not on the best of times we take me to the Boston. I'm not going to. I'm afraid I must be. We will be from my gun. I mean business something. I forgot to tell you that the troll I spoke of is waiting for you. Direct ed from new approach. Zama came to me. Didn't show them as a very greedy man. He was very reluctant to lose. 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Start down the path toward better health with ancestry dot com slash health classic Radio Theater on your favorite station now. Part three of the five part Duke Red matter episodes of yours truly johnny dollar this one originally broadcast January twenty fifth nineteen fifty-six from Hollywood. It's time now for dollar Johnny Dollar. The insurance investigator. This is MS Abbot. Isn't it yes? What are you doing in the stable office? Ready for you to call me. Your father threw me off the farm a few minutes ago. A man named Kelly who works for your dad said he really didn't mean it said he fix it up for me to talk to. You. I guess that's why I asked me to phone the stable office. You told me the horse wasn't injured. Shouldn't have been destroyed. I hope you didn't believe all that Mr Dollar on our look I've got to settle a sixty five thousand dollars claim. On the death of a racehorse. The carcass was cremated and I have no evidence that the horse was destroyed or even injured. I don't know what to believe yet but I can tell you this. Don't ever talk to an insurance investigator the way you did earlier today. Not unless you can back it up. You Sound Grim. You sound like it's a laughing matter. Hardly anything laughing matter hobby right down tonight. And every Weekday Night Bob Bailey into transcribed adventures of the man with the action packed. Expense Account America's fabulous freelance insurance investigator. Yours truly johnny dollar expense accounts submitted by special investigator. Johnny Dollar Location San Pietro California to the Universal Adjustment Bureau Universal Building Hartford Connecticut. The following is an accounting of expenditure is during my investigation of the Duke. Red Matter Fifteen minutes after I spoke with Terry Abbott on the phone. I looked out the window of the stable office and saw starting down toward the stables. She'd changed clothes this time. She was wearing blue jeans and writing loose. She carried a court in one hand. Cigarette in the other. There was a scarf or some such tight around her hair. All in all it was a classic impression. Rich girl racing horses and fast cars. She wore a disdainful pout. Also classic I'll do I was going and I told him I was going awry. Why do throw you out? He didn't like questions I asked him. I guess I don't know maybe I won't like the questions you ask me. Possibly probably you don't really work very hard trying to please anyone do you. Industrial has done my business. How it doesn't bother me too much of a seven. No you're so darn sure of yourself and you know so darn little and you look like you might be thinking all kinds of things I told you know. No No let me guess. Six one accord. Well Utah enough. I suppose you like this office. I suppose you've been opening the files and going to all fathers papers. That's what you're supposed to do. Isn't it nope? Well unless you know something about horses the papers around here wouldn't mean much to you times weights whole schedule and chart for every bit of stock on the place. Do you know anything about horses. Just one dude. He was insured for sixty five thousand dollars. And He's dead. Now you know. I didn't think I'd ever see you again. I wanted to talk to you before I left. What about I didn't ensure duke read? My father ensured him. Your Business is with my dad. Not ME MR dollar. Pardon me if I seem a little confused earlier today you are very anxious to tell me something about all that. Yes you were. What is this anyway? I wish we hadn't met but we did. And you mentioned there was no need to destroy Duke Red after been injured. I did you say something like that to me. Because you're angry at your father or did you say because there was some truth towards onset supposed to me. Just stand around at Powell when people ask you questions did you mean. That horse wasn't injured or that he was injured but he could have been saved. Well did you have any reason at all for saying the things you did? I've been very upset lately. All of us around here have been very upset. That way myself. Duke Red was the best horse. We've had around the stables and five years. His father was a real champion. Earl read. Maybe you've heard of him. You're on one hundred ninety thousand dollars. We've all been counting on Duke Red. Since he was a cold he had it then. This was going to be as big year when this stupid accident happened it. It just turned all of us upside down Is that your explanation for the things you said to me. Yes for the moment please. Don't ask me anymore questions right now. One more what. Your father fired a couple of people I wanted to talk with one of them was a Howard Mun role. Dad's office man. Yes I met him a couple of nights ago. He wouldn't talk. He was too mad. Said something about letting your father had his own dirty business. I don't know what that meant and I don't think I charge us now. The man who was fired was a horse trainer named Warner Tom Warner. According to Your father it was one is neglected. Caused the Horse to stumble and back into the translates one arisen around here but he must be and I want to talk to him. I work in. I find his address. He's from Baltimore Maryland. What about his address? Well it'd be in the personnel files. You can get those at the office in town and San Pietro Jay. Do you think he went there. I don't know I don't know and what's more I don't care. A The abbots father and daughter were turning out to be a real peachy pair to deal with. I left them in their racing farm and drove back into San Pedro and the offices where I obtained the Baltimore Address on. Thomas Warner Expense. Account item for one dollars. Five cents one telegram the Hartford and the Office of Niles Pearson requesting a complete record of Benjamin abbots financial status item. Five one dollars and sixty cents another telegram to Thomas Warner. Horse trainer requesting him to contact me as soon as possible at the San Pedro Hotel. Meanwhile I did what I could to establish abbots local credit standing. I started with the bank. That's right about I'm an insurance investigator. I'm working for Universal Adjustment Bureau. We have a claim in on a property of Benjamin Abbot. Do Greenwich Right Sixty five thousand dollars. Oh yeah that's going alone. What can the bank do? Tell me about habits credit situation for one thing. Oh he does bank here. I present for years. My name is Dale Ryan. We better go in my office. Shore grab a chair dollar. Thanks MS WHAT MR O. Rien ringing Mr. Abbas file please up-to-date yes sir. We'll take a few minutes right. Maybe you can give me a rundown on how things are generally. Maybe this is all confidential. I suppose absolutely Mr Orion. I have no axe to grind. You must have something to grant. You wouldn't be people usually try to cheat insurance companies for money reasons. Don't they usually have you been cheated? I don't know I don't know if there's any reason for us to be cheated. Look maybe it'll put your mind at ease if I just tell you that. A man with a sixty five dollars claim has his financial situation check as a matter of course cable budget cuts into business being the way it is. Yeah well I don't think find too much to raise an eyebrow about with old Ben. He's got one of the largest balances and Tom Roughly. It'd be in one hundred thousand dollar area. Yeah racing horses quite a business. And he knows what he's doing. I doubt very much if he had tried to. Bamboozle you people out of a tiny little sixty five thousand small change to benefit latte ranch. The stock is investment. There must come to well over a million dollars. You meet a weekly payroll in the ten thousand dollar class. Terry must run them a couple of thousand a month or so his daughter. Yeah met her. Well when Terry wants a new cash just parks the old one. She's been driving and takes a plane to San Francisco and buys a new one. She might even feel like having a vacation on fly with a Honolulu. She's very expensive that way. What you say true. She must be no doubt about it. Well she'll probably be marrying somebody one of these days as soon as you can find a guy who can stand the freight charges. I figured it'll be one all that Los Angeles oil gang or somebody from Texas oils. Our best bet. Don't you think that is if she wants to stay in her? Social Circle doesn't vary wine nitrogen naturally. Oh Yes Ryan Oh come in come in cabot spoiled. Yeah here it is. Here's out as a lot. Do you WanNa take that office over there and look. There's over Mr Mr Donor. Yeah I think I'd better. I spent the rest of the afternoon going over. Benjamin abbots local bank standing. It confirmed in detail what Mr Ryan had sent. In general is where many his cash on hand plentiful also. This has a bearing the activities of his daughter. Terry we're indicated in some of the expenditures. Only one item. I had to question a Ryan about when I finish looking at all over I I notice a chick withdrawn five days ago payable to Howard team enroll fifty five hundred dollars. Yes it's marked. Bonus Monroe handled businesses for a year or two Monroe left a few days ago. Probably severance and things like that. Yeah anything wrong. Oh for all I can gather. They didn't part company under the best of terms. As a matter of fact they had kind of a row seem strange. You'd pay Monroe balance after kicked him out. He's a strange guy. Chuck clued alright. No question on it I noticed something else then Monroe was fired last Tuesday Monday. A man named Thomas Warner was fired. Two Tom One trainer. Yeah Abbott told me wonder was responsible for the accident with Duke Red Plenty? According to these books Abbott Should Still Owe Thomas. Month's salary seven hundred dollars and let me see I'll bonus no salary. No severance seems to me tell mourners got a kick coming. Why doesn't he kicked Mr o? Rien I don't know I would most anybody would i? Reject ABBOTS local office in San Pedro and wearing that one or had not left any kind of foreign interest as a matter of fact he told no he was leaked expense account items six dollar ninety eight dinner alone in the dining room adjacent to the lobby of San Pedro Hotel. I wasn't enjoying my shifts special with a green salad when clerk human dollar I thought you might deion here a long distance. Call for you Baltimore Maryland. Fine we're GONNA take us the lobby dollar from the switchboard. Go ahead there on the line. Now good thanks. Thanks very much. Hello Hello Hello. Is this Johnny dollar demand? Who sent a telegram? Yes who's this This is Thomas Warner's father. Why'd I open it? It said it was important for Thomas to get in touch with you. I thought I better call and tell you where you could reach him. As two dollars I come home from work. I think this is best. You call him in San Diego. He worked near there for man named Benjamin Abbot ben-abba training horses. You you get in touch with Thomas. I'm in San Piotr anonymous to one or your son left here four days ago. Didn't he come home? Are you sure Thomas is not that Mr Benjamin Abbot arm positive? Do you have other ideas where he could be not sound like Commerce Dole Mr Dollar? He would not go off without letting his mother. And we know you're sure I am sure certain almost my son he always let my wife and I know what he is so we don't worry something is wrong as the dollar is something wrong. Maybe there is plenty now. Here's our star to tell you about tomorrow's intriguing episode of this week's story tomorrow. 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Addition our toll free number here of course is eight five five four five zero three seven three three. That's eight fifty. Five four fifty free like freedom a which is a topic that is near and dear to all of our hurt here coming to you from Arcane. Studio live on a Saturday night and with you tonight. It's myself the Reverend Captain. Kick ass and I'm joined by IAN. He is indeed in. You haven't met him there. Is Everyone in and everyone I Yeah I'm not in as joyous mood as I appear because I not well you know I keep running across these articles in depressing that it's like I'm like really like as if like you know. State ISM wasn't bad enough you know. Here's here's yet another thing that I might kill you. I hadn't really thought to do and somebody of course you know did and they wrote an article about this is from the free thought project by Jack Burns. There's not a whole lot of optimistic news that the top project at least not this stories that I ever come across. It's always like police. Abuse and government corruption and. I mean and like you know. They do their homework right. It's not like this stuff. Yep Factually check out. You know. It's not like I'm reading fake news now now that they cited their their sources. Usually I mean. There's it's a strong libertarian. Editorial viewpoint at that website so it's not I don't think they could claim to be like an unbiased news source right. It's highly biased. But it's biased in the way that we like it. Yeah so at any rate I've sort of been on top of you know how the statistics of what police. How many dogs they kill or you know. The number of citizens killed by police. And there's you know there's a few websites that track that that you can go to but as a puppy side which tracks the The dog killings puppy sign dot com or dot org. I'm sure if you search for and find it if you use your favorites Privacy search engine like duck. Go or something. Yeah you know you can find the answer to that puppy side but this particular article. The headline is shocking. Study shows. Police chases over minor crimes. Kill thousands of innocent bystanders horrifying? Now it hadn't occurred to me that minor crimes that turn into chases would result in police killing the people who are running away until I read this article. Let's say innocent people I mean. I haven't read the story yet. I presume that also means bystanders. It says specifically thousands of innocent bystanders. So I mean even though a lot of these so-called crimes are probably victim list right there are also just killing people who are nearby running into other people's cars or takes me immediately to the UPS thing right. Remember there They they shot up the UPS truck. Whatever and like isn't bystanders. Also got shot unloaded or there. That's what you know. It kinda brought that to mind but there's another story out of New York City a couple years ago where you know. It's New York City. There's people around. And there was a officer involved shooting they were after some perp or whatever and they blasted At least one innocent person. Plus you're in a place with a bunch of people. Bullets are going to go through somebody in a lot of cases as well or even things right you know a more modern buildings or you know the less costly building like Oh. I don't know particularly some of these manufactured homes that are so popular now. They're made out of nothing. I mean a bunch of installation and some paper right. We call it. Drywall but writing. You know it's it's not gonNA stop a bullet. I mean it's barely gonNA stop like a dart right like one of those breathing guns. What are we gonNA blow got breathing? Gun? It's fun being in the first year isn't it? Breathing Gun yes. More from me tonight. I hope you are all prepared for the weird and sometimes obscure vernacular. That's GONNA come out of my mouth freetalklive. I'm ready bring it on so at any rate the article starts out. We've long known police officers shoot and kill on average about a thousand citizens in the US Every year for a variety of reasons. I laughed not because it's funny that but because it's a thousand citizens every year yeah and has been for quite some time and that's not shock. This is the leading we've known for a long time. You know what I mean the way worse than in the US and then in other countries like there's other countries where they go years without shooting somebody. It has been seven thousand days since the last officer shooting that as a sign. You'll never see in the united. Tell it they can get away with it. Yeah I'M NOT SAYING THAT. All police are psychopaths but you know because I think some of them really did get into it for the right reasons they. WanNa try to catch the bad guys and I don't know what percentage of the police are in it for the right reasons. But I know that if you're a psycho and you want to kill somebody legally you can join the military and you can join the police up. Sometimes the post office they kill their own right shooting this article. I did not very next. It's not even the end of the sentence. Where is the very end? Read it either. There's a comma so it says I'll read the whole sentence and then I'll I'll pause where the count is we've known law. We've long known police officers shoot and kill on average about a thousand citizens in the US every year for a variety of reasons comma none of which seemed to take place in other parts of the world. Yeah that's exactly what you've just pointed out in so that's not to say that the police aren't deadly or violent and other places in the world. I mean for instance if you get picked up by the Chinese secret police or whatever and black bag you may never be seen again right or put into a weaker Muslim detention camp in. Start taking your organs. Western China Yeah. So that's not to say that other cops aren't scarier that you know the KGB or whatever their equivalent is these days in Russia won't really give you a really bad time right But you know this is what we're dealing with. And the thousand people most of which are completely innocent and or not proven guilty at the point at which that they're killed right so tragic and that doesn't include the dogs so the article says we were shocked to learn. Just how many motorists and innocent bystanders are killed by cops every year when officers give chase to suspect the numbers are quite staggering according to a recently published research study by the Fine Law Firm and one point twenty one. Or is that yeah? I Point Twenty One. One Point Twenty one interactive over two thousand citizens over four year period were killed by cops as police were chasing suspect vehicles. Surprisingly more how many. I'm sorry two thousand over in two thousand. What period of time according to the over seven thousand over a four year period? Okay so a lot. Five hundred a year or thereabouts rent. That's a lot of people were killed by COPS. As police were chasing suspect vehicles. You were minding your own business. Surprising you're driving to work or driving homer. Whatever going to go into a friend's house and then all of a sudden some police cruiser comes blazin down the street and rams into the backside of your car comes screeching around a corner t-boned and they were probably they said for like minor stuff too right like this is crap that they were chasing this character for some departments by the way. Have a policy of not chasing because of this policy in my opinion. Because the chase only endangers more people right. We've highway chases right. We've seen him well for the officers involved. They can catch perfect bleeds. It leads. I guess you know between the news and the and the jacked up. I think about adrenaline adrenaline rush. You want adrenaline. You go like commercial fishing for shark right. If you like speed go to a speedway you can do that. They have these things where you know. You're a speed junkie. You WanNa go in race with a bunch of other people that don't care about getting into wrecks or whatever they're not as worried about that you can go drive around in circles and you know have a blast but don't put the rest of US endanger so two thousand citizens were killed by cops as police retracing suspect vehicles. Surprisingly more than half of those killed were not the suspects she more than having I mean they say surprisingly am I surprised I don. I mean reading the article for the first time. Perhaps but I mean when you think about it. It's the state. They're only good at one thing. They only have one way of doing anything and that is coercion and violence. What are the crimes for which a high speed chase is acceptable? Well We'll we'll delve into more of that when we come back. 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Silver isn't about. I don't know I don't know what markets are doing. Yeah I I don't like people who try to tell me either I a you know so. I don't know anything about the stock market per se. Here's what I do now Economics is is really pretty simple. A lot of people think economics is very complex and only the super smart mathematician. You know checkbook balancers are smart enough to figure out what the economy's doing and how you know and like now it's it's it's really. I'll just gambling. That's how I feel it's your you can't really know ever. I mean you can make some pretty informed decisions investments and things like that but I you know other than that. I never know what the market's going to do. And I'm not an attorney so this is not legal advice split investment advice nor am I investment advisor. But I don't trust those people I if I'm going to invest in a thing. I'm sticking with things that I use. That makes sense you know and like you know as a place for starting out if you're just starting out investing. That is the place that I would recommend. Invest in companies that. Make things that you use. Everybody uses everyday like Oh. I don't know toilet paper for existence for example. That's not going out of style. Now you're not gonNa make a whole bunch of money but what you will do. Get a steady return year over year right by investing in. You know this very important commonly used thing. Someone say it'd be better off actually buying toilet paper and storing it. They were actually talking about that on our discord server. Recently it's like holding a bunch of toilet paper rolls in case the s hits the fan and and then people will be in high demand. They're going to be willing to pay top dollar for your stack of toilet paper. I can't really argue with that. I'd get into it somehow whether you're you're buying the physical good itself or you're in bed or both right if you think it's that valuable. Why would you not do both right? You know if you if you have money to invest or you're playing any kind of stock market thing you know my personal thought would be to throw some money into the old teepee so we were talking prior to our sponsors announcements about this article from the Free Thought Project. About thousands of innocent bystanders Being murdered or otherwise killed murder has to have been negligence being death being caused by police chasing right and we were talking about some stats there and an analysis by the Fine Law Firm and one point twenty one interactive found that there were one thousand six hundred ninety nine. Fatal Crashes Involving Police Chases from twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen killing at least two thousand and five people one thousand one hundred and twenty three. Were not the driver of the fleeing vehicle so that is more than half we were talking about and the rest of them that were the driver of the fleeing vehicle never had a chance to have a trial so we don't know if they were actually guilty of the thing that they did now. Some people say well if you were guilty. Why would you run from the police? Well maybe there are different reasons why they were running from the police. Maybe they had a bag of weed in their car and they were worried that they were going to get caught. I mean some people would say nobody from from the cops for that but you don't know why people are running from the COP. Sometimes they're just like you know scared they don't know what to do. Some people react fighter flight. Yeah right it's a binary reaction that is a survival instinct of the human species right. Yeah killers and you know I mean quite honestly. Most people flight right. Most people run when it comes to a thing right. You know if there's a a shooting somewhere in a public place most people run. They scattered cockroach. I've known people who have not committed a crime but have told me that they have run from the cops simply because they knew they could like they had a bad ass motorcycle or something like that and they knew that they could outrun the COP. Got A one thousand nine hundred seventy two with a four forty six and you know when I step on the gas I can watch the gas go down. And in that case. They didn't commit a real crime they just ran from the cops and in some cases they got away with it. That's a shoutout to my my brother's friend Chris who wanted to be a nascar driver. He owns some pretty bad. Nascar's back in the day in his youth. I get to ride around in a few of them. Yeah I mean fast. Cars are definitely scary machines. But they're also fun. Yeah better cycles Stephen Scarier I mean that's you're much more likely to die if you're a motorcycle rider period all right so before. We continue with the article Let's go to Jimmy in Missouri. Jimmy you're on free talk live what's on your mind. Well okay. It's a weird story. I had a CO worker and He recently somehow kind of was selected to get fifty thousand dollars from this Twitter philanthropist. Yeah guys names Bill the Pope Paul pay or something like that. It's a kind of a weird name. P. U. L. T. E. anyways. Here's a real person. He is a he has a real Millionaire who is on twitter giving away money and So you're why was your friend chosen? It would. Did he like respond to some sort of contest or you just happen to tweet Adam. And he just picked him basically. That's it just you just had to follow the guy and He might pick you win some money and and So my my coworker. Yeah he was one of the people picked for that. But here's the hold the hold that thought we WANNA get you. The rest of your story actually had typed for certain. Hang on Jimmy. 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That's eight five five four fifty free as in freedom and I wanted to tell you a bit about bitcoin. Dot Com BITCOIN DOT COM has launched a trading platform at local DOT BITCOIN DOT com allowing you to buy or sell bitcoin cash via dozens of payment methods. Like pay pal then. Mo Bank deposit remittances or meeting in person with cash. There are no idea requirements to sign up for and use the site and all communications between buyers and sellers are encrypted finally a global trading platform. That respect your privacy visit local DOT BITCOIN DOT COM to get started trading bitcoin cash that's local. Dot BITCOIN DOT COM. And we've been talking a bit about Some interesting statistics from police. And what happens? And how many people die as a result Innocent people die as a result of police giving chase to Potential suspects and then now we had a caller Jimmy who was telling US ABOUT TWITTER. Philanthropist WHOSE NAME IS PULL TAE. Il Paul to hand in his twitter handle is P. U. L. T. seems legit and We're gonNA bring Jimmy back. But I wanted to just read this paragraph that I found during the break Bull Bill Poultry is the avowed inventor of twitter philanthropy which he describes as giving food necessities. Renton more to people in need He is now known by many simply by his twitter handle of at a P U L T. He was well known in parts of Michigan but not nationwide before at poultry started just giving away money to people on twitter so Jimmy. You're back with us. Live on free. Talk Live Yeah. So he He said that The guy sent him a private message and Basically he had to download the cash up and that this would be cash out. Well not using the cash apposite Something pretty mainstream yeah. Cash is the square product. It's by the company square and they are the number one free APP for finance on the ANDROID APP store. I believe that at this time and have been for some amount of time. So it's kind of like a pay pal sort of thing where you can you hold balance in dollars or something. Yeah but it but it can be used for businessmen Muslim allowed to be business. Okay but so you know I can send you cash. Applicants eighty dollars over cash-out up also cash is note worthy because a year or two ago two years ago. They started allowing their customers to buy bitcoin and a being the number one free APP. They have a large reach so they were able to kind of introduce millions of users to Bitcoin for the first time and they make it relatively easy for people to buy with the balance that they have and I just want to say for our listeners. Just because your host of this program doesn't mean you don't learn things from this program. I have just learned three things so hopefully you did too. So let me save this straight though. Was it Jimmy Yeah so your your brother received a message from this poltics guy. Was there a contest? He entered or was it just because that he was a follower of Paul -tated he like tweet to him. Is there something that that spurred this to happen now he? He's a he's a coworker. Also he knows the poultry guy in person. I'm sorry no no no yours. I'm sorry I missed that okay. He's my coworker and He heard from. I think it was Mr Beast and other Internet land therapist Who gives away thousands of dollars and everything That this Guy You know if you follow them on twitter that You might you might be eligible to to get some free. You know money and everything so he did that and This whole tag. I sent him a message. Hey you know I'll give you fifty thousand dollars and five zero right. Fifty thousand just randomly out of nowhere out of nowhere. He didn't he didn't specify why or anything like that. Just like you're you're a follower of blind. Here's fifty grand. Okay yeah exactly. It's random selection and So my my coworker. He he downloaded the cash out. Right and the problem is is If you receive over two hundred fifty thousand dollars or not. I'm sorry two hundred and fifty dollars over the cap they needed to factor I've authorization and He can't receive like uh only Lychee receive I think it's a thousand dollars at a time. Yeah I was GONNA say. I've never heard of that kind of volume being sent over cash APP. I don't think it's intended for large transfers like that. So what happened. Well he eat contacted the guy and you know ask them. If there's any other way could spend the money and the guy said no. We use cash out and Any he even contacted cash APP and they said that They get back to him within twenty four hours on some of the stuff which you know. I don't know how likely that is win this happen. Yeah that's my question. How long ago like do they reach it? Okay this is fresh. Okay so let me see if I've got this straight. He's actually talking to the Real Paul Tei. Right like this isn't like an imposter account or sort of potential scam artist or something like that. As far as I know he he showed me the message. You got and everything and it looked legitimate but The only thing that bugs me about any of it. Even though it was the real account was there was also this little thing at the bottom. Said that says something about Buying a five hundred dollar Ebay card to up Your allowance of money on on the cash APP and I thought no no and that sounds like a scam. It's funny you say that because when you started your call announcing that buddiers was getting some money from from tweet. The first thing I thought was this sounds like the Nigerian prince scam from the old email and well. I'd be curious to see. It's possible that he got contacted by somebody. Who's using a user? I'm just guessing here right like somebody who's registered the twitter handle. Pull Tae with like I instead of an l like a capital. I you know what I mean. You know the capital. I looks a lot like the lower case l so it may not actually be the real guy. I don't know how much due diligence this guy is done but anything that requires you to spend money to get. Some money is likely to be a scam so he should be very very careful. Hasn't done a whole digit diligence. Because he's not really the that sort I mean. He's not a super responsible. If your friend you know maybe help them out. But at the same time I'm very curious and I want to say thanks for the call. Jimmy keep us up. You know what happens with this? Yeah definitely let us know. Hi Hey man. They are so tricky. They're very smart and you know what they have. Nothing better to do right. So if you are in Nigeria or wherever it is these people are because you don't know right you just go register this account make it look like Bill Pettai's account and then you just go to bill pulse as two million followers and just start sending messages. You know you send messages to two thousand of those two million followers you get one percent of them to fall for your trick. That's a success. You've had a tremendous amount of success. And if you can snag five minutes it was a five hundred dollar gift card right. Okay you send a five hundred dollar gift card. You'll qualify for more money from Bill Paul Today. Well you just sent that guy five hundred dollars. Can you imagine how far five hundred dollars goes in Nigeria? You know what I mean like. You might have just pay that guys rent for the next five months indeed and that means he's got nothing better to do than sit there and hit up another two thousand of this guy's followers this potential potential scam. I mean it looks like you know from the news. Anyway that bill pull. Tae is a real dude. Real deal is actually doing you. Know some of this philanthropy type. I'm following right now activities. 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Florida and Several years ago I had a cop break into my house from through the back of the back window in my house and shot me in the back. They had swat team all around me and for four years. They have neon pre trial intervention. Where I had to go in and was subject to drug test. It's Kinda like probation only instead of checking in once a month checking every week. What were there for? What was the the reason for the raid okay? The reason that they came to my house was I was dating a girl dancing girl. I'm by the way right now. I'm sixty four years old. She's thirty three now dating a young girl and she was out of place. It was during bike week in Daytona. We have a week where we have a lot of ice in town and it was actually Tober fast. And she was riding with me that we At the at the end of the evening she had gotten a little bit intoxicated. And I said I'm taking you home. I took her to her house. She didn't want to get off the bike. She wanted to stay with me and I lifted up my bike and put her on the sidewalk. She stumbled and fell into street and Accomplished going home is about ten thirty. Eleven o'clock at night talk with him and he saw her get up and leave the scene. He didn't see me taking off the bike and acts like the four times she She fell down and was because she was drunk right. That's why home and and had our house the COP Calling another confidence. He was going home because the copy. Just come on the shift. Eighteen out called me and asked me to come back and I said no. He said we're we're investigating domestic violence. There was nothing domestic about my relationship with her other than we were friends with benefits and there was no there was. There was nothing violent about the fact that I gently. She's beautiful woman and I was glad to have been my fender on during during an event. But you know I don't mean owner about six years the cost Brought her from Daytona. Holly Hill where I live win across the city Line and they come to my door. I already park my bike and I was in the house. I was actually making getting ready to getting shower. When I heard banging at the door I walked out there in front door. I heard a man's voice. I heard her voice and I just pretend like I wasn't home I didn't Wanna confrontation with maybe somebody. What are your favorite writer back to my house. Right right sort of cops came around to the side of my house and Broke through to fence gates to get into my backyard. They came to my back door. Cut The screen and and my training closure came into my house and I could at that point I was on the other side of the door I here and talking and they were telling her that she lived there. She said you know that you knew that we would have been out riding all day. And she had been had left a few things in the house but it wasn't nothing she couldn't get the next day. I would be glad that he wasn't the next day. How's it going for you live here and she didn't drop you live here you can. How do you get in here? Where's your key she said. I don't. I've never had a key. They said well. How do you get in here? And she had at one time a lot six months prior that broken a window to get into my house. They said we'll go ahead and take the window in and again she's there's over. They encourage her right the window to window soon as they broke the window I was inside and and I'm I'm disabled Vietnam. I have the weapons permit and I said loud and clear. The first thing that comes through that we're GONNA get shot and remember they broke into my Invi Yard And and You know man's castle. I wasn't sure about the law but today I know after going through this whole thing that the cops had no right to the number one. Bring her from her home to mind where she was safe at. Bringer can my home. They broke laws doing that. and and for breaking into the cockpit and need to be there and I said some some derogatory things to him. I I did swear the cop that evening I mean yeah I I. I told him I asked him. Do they have a warrant? No they didn't have a warrant they They insisted on staying there by the next half an hour so just to be clear on the back porch. At this point they have not come through the window. They they're not coming through the window. Okay they they know that. I'm a disabled that the cops in that town know that I that I have a lot of weapons They see me all the time they know who I am. And not. I'm not a troublemaker. Anything by the way if you look on your computer. I don't have a computer. I'm sixty four. Never had a computer a computer site. The Lucio expose DOT COM And the guy who runs that website. He came to all my court hearings and by coordinates. And if you look it up by my name on there it's it's all their video of the cops anyway. How long. How long ago did this occur? Michael Year about six years ago. Sex Okay and it was October all right. So the cops are outside your. They're in their your back porch. They've broken the window. You've managed to tell them don't come through or else you know that at this point. They're dealing with cops right at that point. I knew and I called nine one one and I said Hey I got back there. They said we're glad somebody's coming on the way my they were they'd already rousted my neighbors by that time. And I'm I was talking with the Neighborhood Watch so that's how I knew the cops and they knew me Yup. I was the president of that. My neighborhood what's my neighbors. An and and they told him get out of the house they. If this time it's one o'clock in the morning they got my neighbors all out of their houses and that the edge of the street. My daughter came from from out of town. She came down there and they would let her come up to my house the top. I'm on somebody occasions and I hadn't taken my time but I want walk past the window. They've broken they had a spotlight. Shannon and his shop top shot me in the back through the window and through the broken window. I heard my friend to break the window to window and that's what I said you know. Personally shoot 'em they what he wants he shot in the back. I staggered through the front or got myself up. Blood all over my kitchen where they shot me and I went outside. It took me into custody. We took a hostile or they just took some bandages on my back. This one inch square vantage and pay them over. Took me back to took me a fleet department. Where they interrogated me. And while they were interrogating me there's a pool of blood underneath me. They they take him back to the hospital. They took an exactly the hospital in the back of the car and They were. They took me up to one hole in one whole out. Shot me and brought me back in. Contact Interrogating me. I told him just the truth. You know she was drunk and didn't WanNa ride took her shooting you did. They claim that you were a threat to them. In some way that you are armed the what was there. They know that I was on I had a nice collection of weapons again. I'm I'm a Vietnam vet. I was early sixties. It's time so I had actually I wanNA know. If you've got any justice. Can we hold onto to him Catholic? And can we can hold on. Can you hold through the news? I'll be here all right. We appreciate it my way. What's your last name by the way? I don't know if you still have gone. But I'm sorry Mike Lauren here Michael. I want to get the rest of this story. I WANNA find out. If you've got any kind of justice from this more from Michael coming up you will understand the true intent of the founding fathers when they wrote the constitution. If you attend this free Webinar Chris Hall President of Liberty. I University doesn't simply regurgitate. What some professor expert has said about the constitution. 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That's eight fifty five four fifty free as in freedom a topic that is near and dear to my heart. Anyway and tonight. I'm your host the Reverend Captain Kick Ass and I'm joined by and I'm in We've been talking to a color Who was shot in the back by police at around about two? Am six or seven maybe eight years ago and we were getting you know. Bits of the story from him and we asked him to hold over. I did pull up the VOLUSIA exposed website and they do have a very detailed piece. Multiple pieces about this Just apocalypse horrifying situation. Yeah Michael During the break. And you're with us again on the air live during the break. We were just looking at the website. You pointed us. To and from my cursor observations are you have been railroaded Can you tell us that yes. Let me see if I can recap real fast for our listeners. There was It was bike week. You're there in the Daytona beach area. And you had a young lady with you. You're in your sixties. Now at the time. How old were you at the time just curious? Whatever whatever the day is that many? I'm sixty four now sixty four now okay so. This was several several years ago. You had this woman was very drunk. You taken her to her home. Had dropped her off. She stumbled after she got off of your motorcycle with you. Police observed that happen. They interpreted it as some sort of a domestic abuse. They then took her to your home. they then asked her if she lived there she was drunk so she indicated that she did live there even though she didn't she'd maybe visited you their previous occasions and she admitted that she had at one point. Broken back window in order to get into the home claiming that it had been her home they then Had her break the window again. You were home at the time and Concerned that you were being you know having some marauders come into your home. You said ended. Anybody comes through that window. I'm going to shoot and at that point or some at some point after that the police then shot you in the back. You got it pretty much. Exactly right they then Arrested you took you to the hospital. Did a terrible job of stitching up. Your wounds had to take you back to the hospital. And I think that's where you left the story. I think you're being interrogated that stuff actually. The first time I went to the hospital. They did not stitching. They just put gauze bandage over all with Take over two holes in my back wound and then I was interrogated. The there was a blunder. Where was bleeding? Then they took me back in the stitches up came back and gave me some more. I just have a question like also I'm looking at the photos that are on volusia exposed dot com and you said holes in your back. Did you just get shot one time or twice at one time? The middle went in and out the photo angle. You can look at the photo here. I think you lucked out. It looks like because it kind of went in on the back left side of your back and kind of went out the back or the the left side of your rib-cage looks like so it kind of just kind of cut through the very back edge of your your body. It doesn't appear that it you know pierced your lung or I mean did you know. Did it like Pierce anything pretty serious? I mean obviously it's bad when you get shot but it doesn't look like as bad as it could have been you know it's A. It's a time when I'm a believer in Jesus Christ a Christian. It's time where you if it happened to. You might do what I did. I was so thankful I'm thinking God must have a reason to keep me around because if I just standing different angle. That little could went right to my heart right. If I didn't know there was a picture I've never seen the website but you know it's there it's there but it's definitely an heart level. I mean it's pretty close so okay so what what's next year. You're being questioned by police. You're under arrest. What are they charged with? Was it domestic violence recharging me with domestic violence and there was two cops in my backyard that morning and it was about one thirty when they actually shot me with two cops in my backyard. One from the the town where she lives He's the one that brought her into into the town I live in she lives in Daytona. I lived in Holly Hill using they They brought her the The the Holly Hill Cop is the one who actually pulled the trigger on me. And I've known I got some of my friends who work in the in the city of Holly Hill. Say they called that Guy Barney fife because you only had one bulletin in gun you. I don't know who Barney Mike Pence Andy. We carry one bullet anyway It was it was a pretty traumatic for me. And and they after they gave me the second time they and I told him you know they tell. Tell us what happened. I told him what happened because I would. I didn't do anything wrong. Right the the wrong with the COPS. They took me to jail where I sat for about two weeks ago. I got a court hearing where I could get a hearing. I got a bond bonded out of jail and I don't think I even had no von before that I got out of jail and I was put on on pretrial intervention again. Were they. They made me come in once a week and and take the PISS test and I don't do drugs I don't drink. I don't smoke cigarettes. I'm again I'm a Christian and other pretty clean life but I'm big and intimidating looking. I'm six foot two hundred fifty pounds. Now we'll talk and the state's not happy unless they make the Monkey Dance. So you know you're doing the monkey for the state. So they. They gave me an attorney. They assigned me attorney and the probably more than a dozen accorded tourneys. Because they were all telling me look. You've gotta plead guilty to something. I had to be guilty of anything amiss millimeter. They you sign this paper and plead guilty. We'll let you out of jail. We're going to drop everything after that. They just wanted me to be. I said Look accused me of this stupid and I'll plead guilty to that but I'm not pleading guilty and nothing. I didn't do good for you because I want to just inject here that. This is so common that this is the way the state plays their little game. Is they hit you with a as many charges as they possibly can the state attorney's these these defense attorneys public defenders. They're glorified plea deal takers. And that's what you were presented with was attorney after attorney. That was trying to get you to take a plea deal fatal one and a half to go to trial. The prosecutors. Don't WANNA have to go to trial the defense attorneys. Want to have to go trial so if they can get everybody to take a plea then. They don't have to actually do any work. Then they negotiate the plea deal. The judge approves or or nod in usually. They'll approve it because they wanNA move through the system. Get some sort of fine money out of people. Lock them down with With probation and the various different conditions which of course are designed to be easy to violate so they get your right into the system. So you did you stand firm on that. And then what happened? You're so worried about every word you said. Yeah I found this to be true in my case and again I wasn't gonNA play anything I didn't do they every time. They gave me a new attorney. A public defender Guy. They wouldn't they wouldn't do. Deposition I do. These depositions imposed this one. They would tell you that she was drunk all night long or whatever do any deposition finally this guy with the Belushi exposed John Vander I. I realized that he was videotaping. All this was going on and He put me upset with somebody who was an attorney. It cost me over sixty thousand dollars. Get an attorney after having dozens of more than doesn't public defenders. I myself and he'd run in some some expert witnesses that said cop can never brought her to my town. The concentrated waited till the morning and catch me driving off and like it was a traffic ticket and ask me about constant. Never come on my property. They should never knock them more of this or can you stay with us for one more second. All right please. Hold the line I WANNA point out to our our listeners. That public defender is a misnomer. They're not defending the public from them. They're defending themselves from you. The public eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. That's eight five five four or five zero three seven three more from Michael. Bitcoin DOT COM has launched a trading platform at local DOT BITCOIN DOT com allowing you to buy or sell bitcoin cash via dozens of payment methods. Like pay pal then. Mo Bank deposit remittances or meeting in person with cash. 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L. for a ten dollar discount and so we've been talking with Michael Morrison and you can find out a whole bunch of stuff His saga has been documented On a website called Volusia EXPOSED DOT com. That's VO L A U S. I A exposed on cons of Florida. County is the Florida. Yeah so for our listeners out there if you want to read up on more details so we've been sort of recapping. The story with Michael. Talking about what happened and Ian had a very good question and We were talking about You know hypothetically like let's just say a guy was guilty of of whatever the COP said you had done Michael a domestic domestic abuse girl off a bike e even if you were guilty of whatever they accused you of. Their behavior is not excusable. Even if you know. We're guilty shooting in the back. Yeah number one to go to his house at two in the morning to deal with that situation when the two of them had been separated at that point they could have just picked him up later they could have just gone in the morning or knocked on his door later the next day. Or let's say let's say they did suspect Michael being violent person. Why would you bring her to move violence? If if that's what they actually crazy situation so they they had offered you a plea deal multiple plea deals they really really really wanted you to take a plea in the story over at. Volusia exposed says that they were offering you some pretty sweet deals like basically. You wouldn't have to do any kind of time. You would just get this conviction on your record. Just go ahead take the play and it'll all be over with but you didn't Michael you're right and the fact is my words you'll see goes would have been sweet deal but I didn't do what they said that yet so it was a shitty. We can't have you saying that we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA hit the dump binary. Yeah keep. I'M GONNA ask because I want to. I don't I it's a slang term that I use Iran by and just keep in mind. We're on the radio. Can't have you say something that you can't say on the radio again. So that's your chance you're gonNA get there okay. Okay Yeah it's a crappy bill a very crappy crappy deal you use your word. I still believe it. Why we're I understand I. I would understand if we weren't on the radio but Sorry go okay. So without using that word or any other words like go ahead and tell the rest story I spending four years on this pre trial intervention. At which time one week before four years was up? They contacted my attorney. Said we don't have enough information to pursue this case so we're going to drop the charge all right but by that time you're sixty grand over sixty thousand dollars but my attorney rang all I. We had a higher people with a minute testify that the cops committed felony after Sony. Melanie just to get there to before they shot me. There was no punishment for the police. Right they never got brought up on any kind of charges. They never got fired. I'm just guessing right. Not The guy that actually shot me was was on a Holly Hill. Police Department And he He quit and went to be ball after this and I think they kind of told me that you're gonNA quit. We're going to fire you over. And then they'd have to pursue it so he and he's he wants to be a marker the other off from the town where she lived. They told her he got a raise horse back. In fact my the guy owns Lucia. Expose John Vander. He told me that the the COP was there with the one that shot me the other cop he had been brought up on domestic violence his own self in the police department simply surprise another cop beaten his wife exactly and he got he got rate so The cops never space is turning. Never not one person ever said reserved. We drag it through this they. They all knew that I wasn't guilty. Everyone of them New Ballet. Houston come to my talent right now about the case. And they'll tell you we know. He got run through the Ringer. So did you. I'm sorry Michael.

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