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Innovation from Playing with Machines, with Mike Taylor

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Innovation from Playing with Machines, with Mike Taylor

"Are smaller keyboard. Junior is about half the size of a standard. You're actually about two thirds of the size. But it doesn't come with a pocket clip of our pockets titanium and it doesn't come with the extended screws to get you twelve keys. Only hold five keys and it can be extended. It doesn't come with everything you need and Twenty dollars are injury and then they go up to the world's most expensive keyhole we have which is solid silver with fifty seven black diamonds. And he gets crazy. This is worth cast. I'm noah graph our guest on. Today's show is mike. Taylor inventor and owner of key bar. A key bar is an organizer for keys and other tools that fold out in a style similar to that of a swiss army knife. Mike is continuously focused on innovating and building. his rapidly. Growing brand one of the keys to his creative process is constantly learning and playing with new technology and equipment. Today's podcast is brought to you by graph pink shirt looking for a screw machine rotary transfer machine or cnc machine graph bankers guy you covered when you're buying any used machine. You're taking a risk so it's important to buy from someone who knows their stuff and who is going to give you straight information about what you're buying. Graph pinker is a family owned firm. That's been dedicated. Selling great machine tools to turn parts industry for seventy five years. It specializes in the top multi spindle brands including index schulte. Gildemeister tornadoes z. Ps acne and whitman. They also sell a variety of other types of used equipment. Such as cnc swiss cnc turning centers and parts washers machine. Tools are complicated. If you're going to buy one you should go to. People who are knowledgeable and committed to the industry learn more at. Www dot graph pinker dot com. That's www dot g. r. a. f. f. p. i. n. k. e. t. dot com. I am very honored to have. Mike taylor owner and founder of key bar in savannah georgia. Welcome to the show mike. How's it going pleasure to be here. Thank you thanks so much for doing it. I actually met mike last week. He contacted us about a tornado. Swiss machine reselling a gt twenty six and Got to learn about his company and it seems like it's it's really a a special thing and people in our audience. They're always interested in learning about other companies that have products some people. Consider that like the holy grail. If only i had a great products and obviously there's positives and negatives about everything just to get started. I want to get a quick summary of what a key bar is herman. Then then we'll talk a little bit about the story of it. And then all of grill you about the specifics. Keep our is basically like a multi tool style key holder. so it's a key holder comes in all different types of nonferrous metals. Where you can get everything from aluminum up to titanium and whatever your choices are there so you take it apart. Put your keys inside of it and expandable so you can put more keys less keys and then we make about. I'd say about thirty different tools to go into it as you know. We're always adding different accessories and different things to add to it on has a pocket clip so the full sized keyboard comes with the pocket clip. And there's three pocket clip options for your reference carry won't for people listening and most of the people on this are listening. Correct me if it's not a very good way of summarizing it but it kinda reminds you of a swiss army knife no blades but keys. Maybe a blade thrown in here. But that's how it opens up like. Switch it up and there's a different key or a different tool. Would you say that's a good way of putting it. Yeah perfect example but Kind of like a jack knife you know you. Think of a jackknifed pay folding knife right to keep our kind of started. Because i got into customer knives and making pocket knives and i wasn't a very good knife maker and i was like man but i can make a keyhole right so just getting started. That was what i did and Actually working in the hotel industry right. I love the story. So give us the origin. Now you were. You were working in a hotel. Yeah we didn't even actually tell you the whole story so it's a website but basically one day. I went to the restroom. And i went to ten stall now. Drop my pants and three stalls down. Somebody said hey mike when we're going to watch you. Were working as the head of maintenance at a hotel yeah. It was a director of engineering four Four hotels at the time. And so i ran the maintenance department so you had a lot of keys at fifteen keys and screwdrivers and all kinds of stuff and mainly the keys and so everywhere i went. I was holding my keys and they were jingle genuine right. Soak that day when he asked me. When we're going to launch from three stalls down. I was like yeah. I'm gonna fix this problem and another issue. I was having is i would go into the shop of like this everybody would be working and when i got in there you know it was wasn't a lot of work to be done and so they would hear me human and they would just all hustle to start working because i heard my case so it was really fun. Yeah i Had a problem. And i solved it all of a sudden everybody wanted him and it just kind of exploded that first couple years at a time. I didn't know anything about machines. So we're on a machine podcast right. Didn't i had zero knowledge of a emil backup. Mike backup so okay. You had this problem and then you went home one day. And what were you looking at a pocket knife. And then this a whole nother. Podcasts this actually. It did start with pocket knives and i actually taught pocket knives There was a contest of karma. Pumpkin show a video. You carving it with us and you could win all these. It was like six thousand dollars worth deniers from about thirty different people long story short. I carved a pumpkin underwater and won all these knives and then i was introduced into the knife world and then so i was like this is amazing and one of those things. One was a to blades show. So that's like our i. Mts right knife is the biggest night show in the world. every anybody. who's anybody in. A nice industry is at the show. And i got thrown into it head. You know you got. I got to see all these different processes that and heard about things machines and tools and materials. I had never heard of before. And so i took some material home and i made a keyboard out of end so then everybody wanted to keep our and then it became a business which i was never expecting it to be it was it was dissolved. My problem and when. I was making more money at night grinding these things. 'cause i was going. Hey i was going to home depot by bar stock again. I was saying. I didn't know what a grinder i didn't know what a machine was. I had no idea so. I was going at home. Depot by bar stock grinding. It out on a one by thirty from harbor freight drilling holes and holes. And i was making these things by hand originally and found out about water jedi ernie and then there is company locally order jed and he made for me. I still had to do all the corner. Radiuses and tapping and everything then found out about cnc machines and it went it just it just keeps going and every day. I'm learning about new stuff than new machines and see what was your first machine. Haas will first machine bought was laser. Engraver it was the f. A epilogue fiber laser engraver so it was like the biggest one they make any was because i got a job. I was outsourcing product to a local company. And that time i was a season machine for me and it was a local place and we were finishing accompany needed their logo. At the time i was doing everything with lionel stickers and a sand blaster it was you know getting it done but not and so this big company wanted their logos and it was like. I'm i'm gonna go by machine to do that. And i didn't know anything about lasers at a time. Nobody knew what these were capable of and started some really unique stuff on a epilogue fiber laser that nobody was doing. That was my first piece of equipment about then we exploded in it became. Okay we gotta get outta my garage. We were very blessed to be able to after that. I a year and a half. Two years We bought this building and we bought a vf. Four and we bought two different. Not this brand. But we got two sets of real gavaud lasers right they weren't the gantry epilogue was a gantry. And how did you explode. How did you explode from from social media instagram. instagram. Instagram was new. It was kind of like what year two thousand twelve two thousand twelve thirteen so it was all new and there was no throttling of ho straight so we gained in a significant audience and those audience solar product and it was very direct to the customer. Right there was no no middleman nowadays. You have to work a lot harder for those people to see your stuff. But anyway that's a whole nother hog casks again and actually bought that machine again. Like i said not knowing what it end not knowing what to call it was or anything in basically sat on my floor and i was still having the local personnel source and i had somebody writes in programs and helped me with a fixture and and Within a couple months. They're making our own aluminum parts. And it took me about a year to really start cutting titanium but man by net. First machine was scary because we didn't know what our it's doing you bought us know about brand new and renew. Yeah yeah we bought a new fully option in all and I was gonna buy. Vf to and The sales knows like man. I want to go with the bigger. And i'm very rachel. I did. I spent a rock-solid shane It's done everything. I i needed four. We actually just picked up a vm. To brand new as well. So okay see you. Everything's exploding and your big fan of titanium yet. I really specialize in finishing titanium. And that's really what my passion is whether it be everything we make is titanium if we can make it out if it doesn't need to be still like hardened steel like a nice late in could be titanium we make it's imperfect example sitting in front of me is a is a simple one piece titanium water jet lock you pushed down on it springs up. Not material in the world is going to do that for you. And i can turn that blue pink green whatever color you want. So that's one of the reasons why you like titanium just because it turns all kinds of cool colors while the flexibility of it you know it spring and misses the caribbean or we make It is a one piece titanium gate for the people who can't hear And basically we've added the tension into the gate by place in the halls certain locations. Right that gives you a spring. And so yeah springing titanium. Now there's different grades right so you if you don't need a spring news but we use great five on anything that needs to spring or bihar we've even make titanium screwdrivers and that would be one of the tools in in the key bar yet okay. Let's let's go over the key bar a little bit more in detail so somebody has. Maybe i don't know five keys. And then what are the some of the other things that would fit into one. We have a bunch of different tools is a a a lock plate for our mini razor blade so a mini razor blade actually fits inside there and it flips out of the bar in this is the spring lock to hold the blatant so this would slip out and you would replace the blade. Close it in. And you'd have a little mini razor blades. Sticking out So we have those screwdrivers bottle openers you name it. I probably have it Actually you named something. The other day on our conversation. I i will take credit. I came up with the suggestion on the phone because one of our customers. We have this customer in spain and they gave us the gift of is letter opener in the shape of a sword. And it's it's one of our favorite things. So i said to mike. Do you have a letter opener. Anne said now i do not and then one week later i went to the website. There is a letter opener option for the key bar now. That is very impressive. Yeah that's one thing. I am very blessed to be able to do You know since. We're not a job shop. We only make our own products. I love to come up with new stuff whether that be. We're making a skateboard or a sword or one of our big sellers is right so only to talk about that. I mean one of the things that you've mentioned in your creative process is trying to learn new things and just trying to play. I mean it seems to me like you've got a good staff. That's doing the production work. Which frees you up to envision new things and just mess around and get things off the ground. But what's interesting is is that you'll make some things that aren't even the keyboard. So why do you do that. And what does that do for you to make a skateboard or catan are take it back. Why do you do that. And what does that do free mentally so and have to learn something new every day. That's my personality. I'm one hundred miles an hour. And once i get something that's fantastic by the way. I feel exactly the same way i try to write down at least one thing i learn every day. But it's amazing. How few people have that philosophy. One of the things i ask on this show every show is what something you learn last week. And i'd say three quarters of the people are like shoot. I haven't learned anything. Really the reason i'm talking to you is because i called you about a swiss through machine right and i did that because i saw a video of my buddy talking about his screw machine all all. Nobody's have swiss screw machines. And i'm like man. I wanna switch through machine right and so right now. I can tell you pretty much. How the brand's interested in everything works like it's pretty much answering the question you have and i don't even have one right and it's because i go head deep into swishes for that full week because it just it was something new when something's new excites me you know. I really like to learn as much as i can. And then the next day i'm an something else piqued my interest in an but you're begging him. You're talking about employees. Yeah i mean. I've i've really liked to perfect jobs and you know. Hire the right people to do those jobs. Train them to do them right. So that's allowed me yet. Have the freedom to create and my job is to grow. My brand is to get people to back yours. You know to get into click on my videos and we have marketing people that that at post in make videos so yeah My job is to build the brand right to expand the brand I think what's next right. I don't have a huge marketing team or sales he mile. They're extremely seeing big orders. I don't have a shop manager for every department right and so at the end of the day on the business over if the machine breaks if that laser breaks. I wanna know how to fix it when a guy calls. I need to get that machine working. And if they can't take care of it is gonna come to me so go back to You told me you made some skateboards out of titanium. We got to start a. Why did you make skateboard out of titanium when you're focusing on key bars okay. Because at the end of the day. I can only make so many bars if iran machines nonstop three shifts lead. Have keyboards coming out of our ears. Right i can speed these things up slowing down. You know you as you knockabout. More machines Make many keyboards but at the end of the day. If you have a key bar or you you know you're love our brand. You love what we're doing. You wanna support us. Maybe you already have on keyboards will. That's where one of our like penholders comes in or other products we make in and so stuff that's not. Keyboards has nothing to do with the key war. You know. it gives us some other way to connect to customers so skateboards for instance. I made a skateboard. 'cause i had a piece of titanium laying around and it was fun hold it up and give me some detailed description trying to make a detailed for us. Oh what. I'm holding is a three eighths inch thick titanium billet slate right. It is about two and a half feet long about nine. Inches wide is completely honeycomb throughout on the water jet it has milling and a center with norling an engraving on the laser. And it's got really nice. A board trucks backs done as well as slanted is this. Electro ended is got all the processes in it. And the about a thousand dollar skateboard and the re yes. Why do we do this. I made this skateboard to take to a trade show and put it on the counter because at the end of the day if this sitting behind the counter is going to stop somebody that might not stop because the key bar and we have a conversation and that conversation is hey. I made that. Because i like the skateboard right. And maybe now we're into the skateboard community right. So i can now market to them with the skateboard and and it's just. I did it for fun. You must have listened to our serendipity podcasts. That's what they call a serendipity hook. Yeah where you say. Hey a mike. I make key bars. But i'm also passionate about skateboarding. Boom all of a sudden you have an entry into a whole nother conversation and absolutely but you make the skateboard because it excites and because it gets your creative juices flowing would you say that. Yeah now the reason. I make is more for learning. It goes back to learning. I when i did. I learned stuff. Momma she could do in in you and i learned a matter of fact escape were told me. Don't take stuff from the water jet to the cnc mill and expect the de- except falls to mesh properly right like that was one of the first things one of the first projects and this was all again. A lot of this stuff is me. Learning machines haven't been actually shooting my own parts but for about five years so a lot of that time is just learning what a machine is rights in the first couple of years. out the window and then We keep adding different processes so water jets lasers printing and all these different things and so we're always learning and i just learned i've i've seen air spindles before and i just really learned the capabilities of adding an air spindle tomahawks. Let's what's an what is an air spindle so air turbine makes a spindle and it is a tool cat. Forty tool that goes right into your house and it runs at sixty. Five thousand are pm off the air pressure. I think they said up to two microns at accuracy. The thing is ridiculous and you can get them in all different sizes you can even get small amount on on gantry. You know home bill units. I mean it it comes into this but it basically add sixty thousand rpm to my machine. And now i can do surfacing and engraving titanium matter of fact. I just did a surf sing routine on this keyboard and it's like a sore minute routine with a sixty thousand rpm spindle s going to be down to like two minutes And just learning about all this stuff. And i don't even i don't have it but i'm diving full into it to make sure you know when we get okay. First thing you run into his is your air compressor going to be able to keep up right. That's what you just gotta all these things. And i really like learning next stuff. Yeah will you. You told me. I thought this was so cool. You said when you were talking about the possibility of getting the tornadoes. Which by the way is the one thing you you say you're not doing right. Now is making the screws for the key bars. Only thing we we thing. We don't make the screws. Yes okay and you said the machine to you is almost like buying a new motorcycle or some. It would be like buying a new motorcycle Pretty much. I'm not going to count on. It can be for a while. Because i mean i would have to learn how to use a swiss machine and by going into it looking at it. Bike that the thing. That kind of helps me not rush right. Not try to force the machine to do. Something taught do and break something and caused more damage more delays. That's that's quite luxury. Because you know most people if they're gonna spend a hundred thousand dollars for a machine they're gonna wanna make some money format pretty soon. You know obviously the water jet with the perfect example like we knew it would make money immediately but we kind of went into it like look we can outsource the parts that were currently making until we got a dial right and and that's of the way it is. I got a bunch buddies suisse's and they can make my courts on their suisse's all day long for cheaper than i'm gonna make must be honest because i'm gonna wear out tools faster than they are. I'm gonna have mess ups that they're not having because they're pros and so as it would be cheaper for them to make my parts on the swiss because that's what they do every day in the beginning right but then once i learned that machine man now these tools that are in my head impossible to make or not impossible anymore in some cases right but that also leads you down rabbit holes into new machinery that you've never even heard of before any more learning more learning more learning and being new to this i have learned about more machining capability like different types of machines in the past year. So what did you learn. What did you learn today. So far today i learned. Carbon fibre composite. I learned a lot about that. So we're working. How did you. How did you learn about it. Well we machine a little bit of it. And we said hey. That's not what we were expecting or wanting and then so we spent half the day. Perfect being you know basically recipe to get a perfect finish on this new material that nobody's ever years before space. Somebody is making right. And i learned about a new printer this morning. So i got a new printer for labels and in a couple hours figuring that out and again now that it's figured out tomorrow i'll train. My god does stickers and and on that machine and then when he has problems in call me. If i have problem doctoral the guy bought it from and say exists. But it's not taking away time from him doing what he was supposed to do and see i. I basically put out fires and build the brand in this kind of zero. You said to me before. And i've heard this from a few other. We did a season little while back about people with their own products. There was some similarities with your business model. One of the things they said was that feedback from customers was something that fueled them Fueled their ideas and made improvements so explain a little about that. I'm holding just happened to be helena. Caribbean her emma. Hand that we make 'em we just released this Shoe weeks ago or something like that for people. That don't have a good vocabulary is a billet aluminum cherubini that hooks on a belt. Lucilla carribean her is like a belt loop clip right and it has a spring gate and spring gate in this case is titanium. But the gate didn't sit perfectly flush inside the ramp here and i knew it and the customers immediately. I took the first picture of it in posted in three comments. Were hey you should move that over so it's nice lush and already knew it was already in. It was actually already done in the program but it was crazy to hear you know. Immediately three customers solve A problem you already solved the problem but you still put it out there. Because i do story it was a story or something where we're making it you know and i'll show the process okay. So so for the people that don't know a lot of our audience. Isn't that familiar with with social media. So explain a story burst. Explain a story and then explain how you use the story. Yeah so instagram facebook. It also goes to facebook so facebook. You have your mainsheet in an instagram. If you click on it you'll have pictures will atop there's these little circles and their stories and what they are is fifteen second clips on that you can upload and a race themselves after twenty four hours so i if there's something you wanna show but you know you don't want it be like the main focus on your page own your story or what you're doing every day right you don't need these Videos we walked around the shop ten times filling up my page so you put him on the story on our stories actually get like five times attraction that are fee does. Do you think that those get more traction. Because people know that they might disappear and so they can't come back later. I don't think that. I think i just i also breeze stories more than i do feeds because the feed has been is very nitpicked of what you get to see. What they want you to see is what you're seeing an you notice. I'll be honest. I have and facebook. I'm so busy with other stuff. That i don't go them as much as i probably should. Most people would say the opposite but correct me. If i'm wrong like when you're on there even if you're following somebody their stuff doesn't always come up. No not a okay perfect example. I have a two hundred thousand followers when i post a picture. My last picture was only sent out to three thousand followers. Only three thousand followers able to even see it if they happen to scroll by okay but it's story is different. Yes the story will I am assuming it is. There's something with the algorithm. Currently as i g video this whole thing hold on puckett. Currently the the real. Now there's real 's okay there's a whole new thing. Reels are getting again five times the story directions because real is trying to compete with tick talk and so you're getting. The rehearsals are promoted into the feed. So as you're scrolling the feed. You're seeing people's reels. But they give so everything we post now goes to a real because that's what's getting traction that could change tomorrow to see you know Those guys i mean big brother. Is there watching where. I've gone to the website and when i've gone to instagram you guys have popped up on the instagram. Your advertisements have popped up on the instagram. And i'm not following you and that's because you have a staff of three people that are just on the stuff. You have a dedicated staff just for instagram or just for social. Yeah yeah. there's a couple of three people that you you don't have a lot of advertising staff but to me that's a lot of advertising stuff. There is multiple things those those people do but Somebody's doing really well. I'm gonna go ahead and give them a shout out on this podcast octane. Work holding so this is a guy that came onto. Instagram added year ago and he started showing us manual mill tricks k. Old-timers don't show their tricks in that's the thing you know and this guy started showing everything he showed you how to balance a pipe with all this stuff in there. Simple ten second videos of just simple little machine shop tricks could tape here. Put spring here. To hold the clamp. I mean these little things and just clicked on it. His videos are now getting half. A million views are likes okay. Likes people are actually hitting likes and then he's not out to sell while he is selling. He sells chip guards so now he makes smart. He made it really nice chip guard that goes into any machine. He's got him in different sizes. Fill the teeth thoughts. And so you have a rubber. Basically matisse thoughts are full and so chips don't get them anymore when you want to put some pool rubber strip out and And so that was a product. He made and he started doing these instagram videos. Kind of promoting this stuff. Same thing right getting the traffic and then hey caz. Guess what i saw this. You know what i mean. But they're really watching for the machine tricks and then they see his awesome inventions in like. I'm gonna support that guy you know. I don't care what he sells. I'm gonna spend a twenty bucks in by whatever that shrink. It is just to support him. Because i've been watching videos for year and appreciate what he's doing you know what what was that stat. You said the other day about There was a company that invested four point nine million in social influencers and then they made fifty million. So there's an interview with People that are listening may have heard of this. Rock swarm wallets and basically. They're a company that outsources overseas and has their wallet made and they spend their base. I like to think of companies like this as marketing companies that sell a product right because their main job is the market the product. They don't have to worry about making it and so they get to just create new designs and so it will. They really hit it out the ballpark and they spent four point. Nine million on youtube influencers alone is from the interview. I heard right and so for the people for the people here that don't exactly know what influence or are is. Would you say it's basically somebody who has a gazillion followers. Who's for some reason. They're an authority about something. Yeah it's its niche marketing to right like They don't have to have huge followers. Just be prominent in their market whether it'd be cars or mako or whatever right if they're making a bunch of videos you pay those people. Do you pay if we do. And i like to pay people that i watch so if you pay somebody. Does that guarantee you that. They're going to give a good review now. We don't do reviews reviews. We just give product out so if somebody wants a review. We'll give you a bar for review. We don't care we don't tell you what's no no but i mean when you tell an influence our but when i pay them i'm usually paying for marketing spot right so i'm paying for thirty seconds at the beginning or the end or whatever the agreement is and they're going to just say hey this video sponsored by tibor go check them out and you'll see that nine times out of ten and most big channels youtube videos now so that price can range from two to thirty thousand dollars video in those are real numbers. The big channels are thirty. Grand this for thirty seconds and so it gets into really big numbers but the return is obviously there but is it hitting the right demographic you have to do your research right but in this case this company just do the do it out there to everybody and and it paid off big because they hit home runs with them and they lost with others in it balanced out and they did really know you don't have any desired. I mean that's not who we are. We spend our money on new machines and and building our brand that way and making new stuff and coming out with the next thing and we. We spent a lot of money on marketing. But we have a plant. I picked people. I i do pay many influencers. And i pick people that i want to work with right. I don't wanna i race motorcycles. So i sponsor on and motocross guys Some of the old metal militia guys in all these markets that i like doing like fishing. I like considine. So i'll people watch. I'll reach out and say i really like your stuff and it's not a that's not just a marketing and you think that those people have an audience that would be your audience. Although i personally i think your product seems like something that everybody could it is. It is was pretty awesome. It is but When it comes down to it. I don't have that company. I talked about at team. Tim people that did nothing but searched youtube channels right and we just don't have that we don't have ten people sit around looking for. Who can we contact today to. Send a stuffy. Okay so you can just say you have a keyboard already. You could see the letter opener feature on there and by that letter opener and put it on. Your key are right. Anyone we've made from day one okay. And and what are the costs are small keyboard. Junior is about half the size of a standard dealer and ex abouts two thirds the size. But it doesn't come with a pocket clip of our products are titanium and it doesn't come with the extended screws to get you twelve keys and only hold five keys and it can be extended. It just doesn't come with everything you need. And twenty dollars is our entry. Then they go up to the world's most expensive key or we have which is solid silver with fifty seven black diamonds and it gets crazy but our standard is about. You know forty to a hundred bucks is is where we're at and and that's gonna get you some titanium where the nice pocket clip and and then you could buy an expensive or cheap one and so you know the letter opener feature that i came up with. We were talking about giving it a name. I don't know see name. What is it. What do you want to call it i. I don't even know what he called it. So i haven't seen the website so i have no idea what he put up. There probably says letter opener. Yeah i'll tell you what it says. But i'm i'm just so honored amazed that you would just take a product that i i mean. Even though you say it takes you a year ago. Start using a machine yet. Well that was the nationally. Initial right dive into cnc machining. So this this is it says titanium letter opener insert. I'm telling you. I'm gonna call it the i'm going to call it the no. Oh my god that would be so awesome. The noah letter opener gonna totally put that on. So shaw else you wanna say to the people of the world now man. I mean there's a bunch of different people that could be listening to this. You could be you know you sell us. Cnc machines so you probably hit both types right. You hit the company's trying to buy machines and improve their processes or more production or new capabilities. Right kinda like what we're doing now and you probably get the guys that are in their garage. That really need a bigger machine in her scared or never had machine like i was are scared to to purchase one is. They're just not familiar with them right enough. And my biggest thing is you know. Have a few sayings wants. Nobody's gonna build your castle for you and so nobody thinks about it. Nobody's gonna make your life better for you other than yourself so no matter what it is your passion your drive. Don't be scared enough to not do it. There's a lot of people out there that will help you I guarantee if somebody calls you and asked you about a machine you'd have an answer you're going to maybe connect them with somebody and maybe that guy relieves the stress or worried is person had or whatever or if you have a process you can't handle i mean there's people out there that help you never really alone with the game with google nowadays and so that is some words of wisdom. Just take the if you have a dream in beaufort as a man you're not guaranteed tomorrow and and you know so if you got something you wanna do. Do it now shows from today's machining world. This is warfare cast. 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"Lot of excitement here charlie. I can feel a lot of energy martin tomorrow episode thirty six. I feel like we've mentioned shaquille o'neal every time we have a number in mind right thirty two. There were thirty three that he took thirty four. Did you know he wore thirty six. Where the sun's boston celtics. His last stop. I don't remember shaquille playing for the boston celtics. Should i remember that. You should remember at the end. They're doing a little bit of ring chasing he did some sons. I think cavs celtics. He looks really weird in the celtics jersey. He worth thirty six. I think got kenny wallace. Thirty six correct. Definitely i did google this one. I'm seeing jerome beddis. Yup the boss charlie. They called him. The box called them the bus from detroit. You may have heard that. He actually finished his career at the super bowl in his hometown of detroit. So yeah he's a-. I'm looking at this bleacher report article. He's apparently the best ever athlete to wear the number thirty. Six others of note tried to guess is this. Is this show prep. Well just google it right when you ask me. It's a baseball player. This is really random this. There's only one that i know. And i wrote it down. Gaylord perry. Okay thank god. He's even older gardens. Eight into the mike taylor. Even older old school and gaylord perry was a pitcher though and randomly went to michigan state university. I only know that because he gave a talk. When i was there he might be deceased now. I have to check that. Don't know robin roberts choose to host sportscenter on espn and nash. Born america. different robin different rubber. Check and see if he's alive name song that you really like because we could add You know our guy that puts these things together. We use it. We have kind of a couple of standard cuts is there. Would you like this. Is the day edition. We gotta we gotta keep the energy. Nobody does opening day like st louis trial. Did you hear that before in your life. I have heard that first of all. It's not a vha like savita. Which i think is a type of seafood. You eat down in miami vici now for of course the youtube version which i call and martin. We're going to have my neighbor again. Taylor strife actually. If you're listening to this you've already heard and seen his beautiful vision of your comes. The king to get you ready for opening day but a vga yes is always good music to get you going into a podcast. Was that a year ago. It was the actual opening day for not april date but the one when they actually played like in july. That you did that. You went over and like knocked on your neighbor's door today. Buddy i know you play the organ mind. Give me some hits on youtube and twitter by playing. Okay was it the cartoon over. I think first of all he played it himself and then i went over because he posted on social media and i said hey. Can i get video of you doing that. I'm not sure. But i think he actually played it on the day. The cardinals were supposed to start the season in april and this was an image to. Hey baseball's not here but it will be also unfortunately robin roberts passed away may six twenty ten. But i saw him recently. Yeah well. I saw him in. Probably two thousand and six thousand seven so he was still kicking. It feels like a fred. Tim story was fred. That's great robin roberts. I've known him for years. Fred loves baseball so much. That if robin roberts was giving a speech fred was going to be there. We were gonna cover it. Can i say nobody loves baseball. More than whitey herzog arts you. And i were at his house getting some interview clips for opening day coverage and he's talking about plays from nineteen fifty two and i was like holy crap like and i said how do you remember this and then i felt better when he said some days. I can't find my keys for two hours. And now i feel better but he is unbelievably tuned in to the current game. The modern players. You know we were done. We're talking on his porch and he had a take on carpenters batting stance and how he can improve his hitting game and this guy's going to be ninety and did everything he said made sense like usually somebody's like pushing nyc. Okay yeah good one. Yeah we'll we'll sure bichurin pass that one along doesn't it seem like everything he said was dead on. Yeah also a big fan of harrison baiter definitely. No just kidding. They're what was funny. Though was we do the interview. And i'm sure we're gonna play it all over fox to opening day and we'll go longer on the weekend all that. I'm sure it will end up on youtube. And whitey was fantastic. And he gave gave great info and then the second. The camera stop rolling. Then you got some of the real opinions some of the real takes with some more colorful language and he just wanted to sit there and talk baseball. You could tell he wanted to sit there and talk baseball with us all day long. I mean we both had to get back to the station. I killed me. 'cause i mary lou. The great mary. Lou is inside and i ran into grab a chair. Because we're very rude. We just take over people's houses and do whatever we want and she said martin. Would this run on mike Well charlie oh posted on youtube. I'll run a bite at five. And maybe more on sunday. But i was thinking if we didn't have to leave we probably would've in. They're both vaccinated. He and mary low. We would've just probably had like a twelve pack untold stories for like hours because his memory and his opening day memories of of himself got his first big league hit. I think he said it was in cleveland in his first game with the washington senators. And of course it's only why he could say like well. It's not going to be a false. Well i played for the senators. That was used to not having anybody there. He's got so many zingers and then he said the second year. I'm in the big leagues. I was out there. And i caught the ceremonial first pitch from dwight. D eisenhower. the president and he goes. I still got the ball down in the basement. Unbelievable and a week before i interviewed. Tony larussa the former cardinals manager and we talked about it and people heard the podcast. I sort of explained it at the beginning because he was kind of in a hurry and we talked about it for weeks when the best time to do it was so is the opposite. Like why do you want to sit there for hours. Tony was in a hurry. And i was like gosh it man. I wanted like all of march to do this. And i even went through the the white sox. Pr guy proper channels and he writes. Bag is hey thanks so much. Talk to tony. He says just text them directly. And i'm like i was trying to do it. The right way thinking maybe you know tony. What's proper jails man so it took a while to get set up and these is how about thursday at nine. Am where ten. and whatever. I said okay fine. I realized that morning it was gamed like it was the first sox is first game back in ten years. Oh man but i didn't. I just left it alone mike. This is the time we agreed upon. I'm about to set up the zoom literally at the desktop at home. Just sitting there and my phone's and it's him and he's uses game day man. We're gonna have to keep this moving like totally the opposite and you can feel when you're interviewing somebody like time to wrap it up right like whitey today. We could have sat there for hours. He didn't have a ballgame to manage like. Tony did but you can always tell. Can't you want. I mean if they look at their watch you really screwed. But he gave me. Some great answers was great to catch up on. But i could just tell these volumes. And i want to say it's in ten hours two games in ten hours. You got time. Yes first game though. I understand i say this with. I appreciate him doing it right. I don't want to sound like an ungrateful person. You sound a little bit like that. But i say this with love. We're talking to whitey. It reminded me a bit of my grandpa. they're out to same age. What he's about to be ninety my grandpa's either. Ninety two or ninety three but when when you're older like that you probably get kind of lonely and especially during covid not able to get out and about very much. I'm sure why is really looking forward to getting back to busch stadium and seeing some of his friends and all that and it just really seemed like when i talked to my grandpa. Now years ago he he'd hang up in like a minute and now he really wants to talk. I think he's lonely. And during covert he's kinda sitting there and looking out the window and looking at squirrels and birds and when i talked to him he's really into it and white. I think was having a fantastic time. Just talking ball with us. He's i watched ready. Damn movies like the last year hasn't been able to go to games. And what he's great at is he he. He's so blunt okay and he. He was this way when he was the manager and even about his own playing career would be really. You know extremely honest. But i remember in these carla hall of fame. Knock on the ballot for the red ribbon ballot. We would sit in a room. I know being in the room and we talk about certain players you know. Would they be good. Should they be on the ballot before we all take a little vote here and he would get up. And i'll tell you about. This can really hit. The ball is great. And you're like oh. This is quite the review. This isn't like make notes. This guy belongs. It probably wanted to worst defenders of seen it. Everybody in the room kind of looks each other and just starts laughing because he has a wake. Kill somebody but it's funny when white kill well to. He was talking about how players this was. This was after we were rolling which was mostly the best stuff but he said about how. How player sometimes you need a change of scenery. And he said even nolan ryan nolan ryan just didn't fit in as well in new york he thought and it was better for him to pitch in texas near his home town. That's kind of where he fit in. He said there were guys that didn't fit in chicago and he mentioned back in the day playing for the and if you have to play all these games and why he said yeah. If you're in a bar you know two am in the morning. Wake up and your sweat and the next day. It's just hilarious because it's probably true. There are a lot of guys who are drinking all night and then you got day games all the time and they're out there half hung over but it's just it's fantastic to hear stories like that from somebody who lived. It is in the hall of fame like old school baseball. The gm probably was about to make a trade to get a player for the cubs. Ick s the gym is a big drinker. You probably ask that kind of now. You'd get sued for asking. But he's he's he's one hundred percent. I tell you dead on with his carpenter. Might wanna talk to what he was saying about. Where should be in the box. It didn't it didn't sound crazy at all by the way. Everybody's ribbon on matt carpenter. He draws the walk and a couple just borderline pitches right there. Upper quadrant one in one out he took and we know. Sometimes my carpenter takes too many pitches with two strikes but a couple of confident takes matt carpenter at this point. It's a zero zero game and both pitchers are dealing flirty and lopez and carbon draws the walk. Next thing you know yada hits you run homer and all of a sudden boom sevens at game but matt carpenter contributed for all the haters out there and there are a lot on twitter. Matt carpenter started that martin marlo or the youtube version which is marlow and martin which is way more popular episode. Thirty six brought to you by are fine. 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So he doesn't bother this guy and also needed a groom and the nails filed and he got to play at day camp where they get all their plan and running around in and they come back and they're all chilled out for you. That's what kenilworth pet resort can do for you and your pet. Do you think otis goes there. And he's got a little cigarette in the corner gone. Yeah they used to love me and then the baby came along and now they shipped me off next thing. It'd be at boarding school. You think that really happens hundred percent. This is a thing where i think it happens with everybody. You have your dog. you don't have any kids. You take pictures with your dog. You get your dog. A halloween costume on christmas. You give them a santa beard all this stupid stuff you take all these pictures the second you have a kid your dog. We still love it. But he's now a dog and so several times now what was he before. Well he's kind of like your kid. At that point several times though when otis will go nuts sometimes and maybe wake up the baby myself and my wife will say. Let's get rid of him but we don't really we don't really mean that it's just it's just in the emotion and it's in the heat of the moment we love otis. I think days are numbered. Not gonna live art opening day. A lot of fun little pomp little circumstance. Colton wong coming back. And it's sorta kula works out that it's milwaukee homeowner and he's there leadoff hitters. He's the first guy coming up. I mean maybe they introduced the whole roster so he might be introduced before that but looking forward to it among the. I think we might have done this. Our favorite cardinal players. Do we do this episode like twelve or thirteen. I'm kidding. I don't remember but have we already talked about our favorite cardinals favourite. Like to deal to deal with okay. We'll take cold. Long right up there in terms of being just polite in arizona about the media but just professional in how carlos beltran wainwright's grade. But i'm excited to see cold war coming back and it's fitting that he gets that i that i think it's fair to say because cold war was here about seven or eight years. Whatever it was that in his time here he was probably the best guy for the media. And i say that because now wainwright is always fantastic but as a starting pitcher. You're not playing every day so in terms of going to the clubhouse from a media standpoint and if you need to interview somebody coal long as an everyday player who is a pretty dang good player back. Back gold gloves. He was always there to be professional. And give you a good answer. And he didn't just go emotions. So yes i think i think anybody in the media the last decade or so absolutely loved colton long for so many reasons. We watched him grow up. But yes the consummate professional. Did i read it wrong or do you think nick castanos nicholas whatever you prefer diffused it a little bit by his praise of yada like in the post game. It's an incredible quote where he said man that do could've punched me in the face. Meaning molina to. I still would ask for an autograph choosy. He's not on par with niger. Mortga brandon phillips like mug in the flex and all that do you think a now. Cardinal players probably will remember for a while. Do you think this ignited. Maybe not to the level of johnny cueto and kicking people but did his comments diffuse it at all or do you think it's game on. His comments diffused it for reasonable. Rational people. I loved it by the way but fans i think cardinal fans are going to hate nick casts janos for the rest of his career. Don't you think that's fair for sure from a baseball stand. But of course. It's not and i don't remember what niger morgan did. Okay but i always was mocking and saying that they were overrated and their babies which is sort of the same narrative that people have in cincinnati to act and. I think niger margin. Niger morgan actually chirped albert. I gotta look that up and see exactly what happened. It pissed off tony. So that's probably what it was and obviously cueto's a different story because he kicked carpenter kick. Larue ended jason larousse. Career brandon phillips. I also like brennan. Philip style. Because it's good for business i understand. Yeah i understand karnal. Fans don't like him. That made those series fun when he called the cardinals little bitches and all that and that ignited the whole thing with with yati. I think what. Nick has yano did. I'm not saying. I approve of the flex. It was in the moment though he had been hit with ninety three miles an hour. It was kind of awesome. And again i get. If you're a cardinal fan. you're mad at me. He didn't like it. It's great for the game. It's great for rivalry and afterwards he was pretty cool he said he was praising yati he was praising adam wainwright and we're gonna play. The cardinals are gonna play the red sixteen more times. Whatever it is he'll probably be there for a couple years. It's gonna make this desribed. It was kind of a dick move right when he gets hit the offers. That's kind of a tough guy. Move which i. I probably do the same thing but that obviously upset people to and remember now mike shildt. I also thought this was hilarious. Mike shildt gave the longest explanation. Ever about how. We don't hit people but if we did it would come from me. But i've never done that in my. What is this year. four. And i love mike shell dunk around. Are you really telling me that mike. She'll has not ordered one code red since he was a member of the cardinals. And here's the thing they all lie. Well ridiculous i'll give him the benefit. I'm not calling him alarm to saying in baseball. They never say it because you'll get fined but here's the thing now. Technically you might be right. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in a clubhouse that gets it. Mike shildt probably never has to say plunk this guy because the leaders in the and the pitchers and they're no. Hey our guy got hit we gotta go. Plunk their guy. The manager probably doesn't have to actually say that but to act like in the last three years or so. The cardinals have never hit. Anybody on purpose is just absolutely ridiculous but again this makes everything more fun. I give a shout out a non sponsor but a guy named mr medal at this is not like a professional wrestler remember. The story of the amazon guy ran our mailbox over and then kept going. That was december twenty second and we were going around going around with. Yeah we got damn package delivery amazon. They knocked over the mailbox filled out. All these forms had to take pictures. Had to get bids. Like i don't know how to fix it. Let's be honest. And so now it's like middle january mailbox elaine on the ground just laying there land in the post. I was put a note in mailbox. You have thirty days to get it fixed. I call some people and agent. And they're like can you take it out of the ground. we could probably welded. It's just a pain in the ass. So finally i call a different number on a different number and then they called back and they said we're so sorry. I've talked ten people and nothing ever happened so my wife gets on the nextdoor app and types in fix a mailbox needs to be welded because see people i know and i liked it like. We don't have any way to welded on site. You'd have to bring into our warehouses blah blah. So this says you need to call mr medal. I get this number text them the next day he fixes a damn mailbox and it's been sitting in for three months and i'm thinking do i go on twitter. I want shame amazon. I know they don't give two shits but they didn't do anything. They had us. Fill out forms. They said you need to start so and so and then somebody email somebody called absolute bullshit. And i'm sure my wife's orders from amazon. I would stop. I've never heard anything from amazon. I'm probably the only one left in america. But should i change them on twitter or will i fear the wrath of amazon. They never even gave you any money or it. Nope they've never. They said all that claim. Are you sure well. It looks like that claims resolved that it was never resolved. Who did you talk to us. It here's the persian. Here's the e mail. Here's the phone number camden new jersey. I talked to susan dr betty. Okay we're gonna refer you to one of our experts and then a lady coming back from indians said. Oh we're going to refer to experts then somebody from seattle emails me. Nothing has happened. What can you do call. Go to jeff bezos at home. You think it's come to that. I seriously am pissed off like huge massive company. And it's three months later and mr frigging medal saved the day. He pulls over in his truck and on the sides. Mr metal okay. Here's a he's my new favor go. Here's you have to do though you have to play the media card. You have to go on twitter. You have to tweet and then we'll all do this with you. You'll tweeted amazon. Tell them what happened and make sure you tag them and you have a pretty good following. Then we'll all get onboard and basically say amazon if you don't take care of martin kilcoyne. We're all boycott you. Let's do a little cancel culture. Oh yeah and they'll probably put him out of business. I mean it'll put a big dent in this business. It's unbelievable but out of all of that. I did get to meet a guy. Mr mental who did a great job last one. This is a great nugget stumbled into it the other night because they said oh. Baylor wins the national championship. It's the state of texas. Is second ever like. Oh my god. I kinda just thought houston may of one somewhere. Maybe texas one in the fifties or something second for the state. Texas western was the original in nineteen sixty six so they start looking at it. It's kinda fun. Illinois only has won the whole state and it was loyola nine hundred sixty three state of missouri has none california with. Ucla's got fifteen total kentucky's ten. It's a great staff. You start thinking about north carolina. Nc state to duke five north carolina six. The point is there's a lot of states that are way behind indiana the coolest one. They have five. They're right up there. All of them belong to iu. So that's three for bobby knight and then our guy before branch mccracken right. I used to go to the mccracken basketball camp back in the day. I believe it was branch. Mccracken in the fifties sounds right. I think that's the case. So ohio would be ohio. Lucas and those guys sixty. I just saw they actually. Didn't they lose the championship. Game as an undefeated team in sixty one am i wrong. I feel like. I saw that recently during the turn and they might have been loyal to one in sixty three might have been against. Was it against cincinnati well oscar robertson. Cincinnati wants title. Okay i was wondering if they want any titles. Xavier has never won a title right. I don't think so okay. This is a great little stabbed but it actually now makes you want to look it up. This is a great yes. You're happy opening day. Where you read or grandma. Mildred will complain. You were in cincinnati and you were wearing some red but then you could. That's a tough one because people could have. Why are you wearing the colors of the opponent. Well i actually brought to nice red shirts. I wore them both. When i got the first night to shoot some stuff you could. You could see it much better on the night before it was so freaking cold that you could barely see red. Because i had a scarf a black coat and again thank you. Cincinnati reds for allowing the tv media to sit outside. Because i know you have to take care of all the writers. Even if you're right for the dayton bugle thank you for letting me sit outside. I thought you were getting. Did you really think you're like how is that. What does it mean like your seat outside. Martin i don't understand. Text me that. And i was like well. You had a pass to get in but didn't have a seat inside well. They had a nice outdoor seating as if it was the world series for beulah. Don't know when you get to the world series in the nfc s. They have auxiliary seating outside usually in a suite or whatever it is so we table. We had everything set up for your electronics. And all that. But you're outside and it was about thirty seven degrees. And i was carrying a lot of gear as well so when i carried it. I didn't that i bring my scarf. I didn't bring a winter hat. I also had like a thermal shirt by already got in there. And i'm like i'm not walking back it was frickin freezing protected moans at can i borrow scarf. I should have actually done that. He might have brought brought one down or a vest that would have been a good story. Actually i bet you. Maybe you would have found something for one of the spring. Training is one of the years running around. I had an old hat from training training. And he said hold is that had. And it's like seventy because it's falling apart. And i kind of like it. He comes out of the satellite trucks. Give me a brand new one. That's the move. I also saw. You did a promo right where you had some very generic cardinals hats jerseys right in a bat eckstein. It's fox network. And i go. What do they want. I don't have no idea what it is. But hey great segment. Great opening day Happy thirty six marlin martin. Happy redbird season real quick. Hate to be buzzkill. I predict the cardinals actually. Will you haven't winning ninety one for the season. I'm at ninety. I believe that was from episode. Thirty five for those of you monitoring it closely all right talk to you next week.

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Scoop B Radio Overtime f/Jamario Moon [Frm NBA Forward] (2020)

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47:00 min | 1 year ago

Scoop B Radio Overtime f/Jamario Moon [Frm NBA Forward] (2020)

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After all of this bill, cosby going on these last few months, man to be able to get out and get on the court man and talk some trash, and you know not for people over man. This is going to be like a breath of fresh air for me and I can't wait to get Vegas and an. Shine you know bobby being more? I can't wait to shine over Vegas. Yeah Yeah I mean. You gotTA literally looking at. Your own. Right. You know what I love it. I I love it because. You know. The first year. Is Good to come as it is in the first year being on the Toronto by and I started my first year in the NBA with Toronto Raptors, so is going to be going to be a lot of excitement the same way it was my rookie rookie. Season in Toronto so we're, GONNA, we're GONNA. Have a blast. And you're talking about Toronto. Brandon current rating and It'd be a checking. For this summer. Reason but you join. Toronto t We'll following tail and union right CACHING, right? Her own way Taylor. What? What was your what who you looking for the with on pocket? Man I'm ready to play with everybody I see I. Just love the game so much man. They don't matter who's on my team. The game. You know so number one. We're going to have fun, and you know all the guys on the team. They competitive, so we're GONNA go out and compete, and we definitely GonNa be trying to blow. People are going to get the game over with eight. And you know my Mike Taylor being on my own my team and I know we're GONNA. Come out with a lot of energy. Bro Might is well telling my energy level. Don't want thousand. So you know my energy level compared with his energy level man, we don't. Obviously we GONNA go in there and and tire out some people and beat them down. For those who are listening should check out on the five five-term. The five number five. Dot Com school rivalries. That were what were must see TV. I renewed What was the guy who's mets? War? Knicks. Spurs the Miami he and more Surely No. Have you ever heard? Of A patient you basketball. No. I never have I was thinking about that. Well, you know when when the idea I came up and you know my I. I was I was wondering if a lot of people were going, you know WanNa tune into it. You know via per view because. We're going. Oh, man, but it's going to be some exciting players going to be some exciting basketball and I'm sure there's some hungry basketball fans out there waiting on a fixed and you know we. July nineteen to twenty nine. You're going to have your big, so you know. God does get your popcorn ready because there's going to be in going to be entertained. Is there. Socially distant on D.. Supposedly dissident what now or Chris? Oh No, no such thing is social distancing so the only thing that's going to be social distance when I. Slept the whoever trying to shoot the ball when slapping up in their road. That's the only thing go be social distance. That's it ain't no social distancing when we get there. We everybody pass. There is no social citizen. You okay, I can. Take you cookies. They know those businesses. You are in a very interesting condition of cooking. Talking basketball all things function. On you being from goodwill, good warriors again Roy went undrafted and she's out one. Way. And two thousand seventeen. Seven! Place, rackers BR. What do you remember About those nasal now. To rental. ALLOWS EATING There's wondering wrinkle. You kinda base where. It wasn't championship sitting. Around I think it's all you remember about those days in Toronto, I. I never forget anything about that. That's that's the first time I played with. You know so at the first team that gave me an opportunity to go out and show people that I you know, deserve to be in the NBA so I remember from the day I, got off the plane and went to the hotel. You came outside and bought me one of the Hot dogs off the street in front of the hotel walked over to the Air Canada Centre. Went in the in the locker room for the three day mini camp laced. bawled out in the first day of mini. The team said they'd like me. They signed me I couldn't get in contact with my momma because they was on a cruise. So I had to sit in the hotel full excitement. Ready detail, somebody. And you know. Basically? And it. Was History making once the preseason started man. It was like Oh man this I should have been here a long time ago, but you know man he like. You just said Oh. A lot of people like really. You know starting to get onto Toronto Raptors. You know now that they wanNA. Championship so a Lotta people. You know obviously worldwide you know tune into the rapid, but a lot of people were watching the raptors one Vince Carter. Whatever because it was you know that's prime time every night him and tracing the gradient. You'll give us some highlights. But. You know before they even became. Close to being championship contenders, and those fans from as long as I can remember, it's been sold out in Toronto in the Air Canada Centre as long as I can remember. So. I think those bands look at every team like they're already a championship team man because they treat, they treat the that team like. Like the team for the Gods, you know what I'm saying they they loved their team and I think that's what one thing that made me feel so comfortable when I was in Toronto man would when I got there is like defend. Just you know accepted me like are already played at ten years, so you know it was just easier for me to go in and get out on the court and play some basketball. They, making everybody feel comfortable. I've been Ronald One and. I. What are the? Remember. I never. I? Know I never ate it. But. I never do. Hey Manley's I. Keep telling people. It's a difference between between skinny and fit I'm fixed. I'm not in. Looking At least you, maybe you know, maybe you could have called me skinny. When I was playing with the rafters, but now thirty five I'm knocking between two thirty five forty man I've been on the way hard eating, right taking a protein vegan nutrition bring man. Player I was around. Two Eight. Twenty two awaiting to ten maybe. Really No. I know it any, but I you to ten ain't bad with a brown was to sixty five to seventy. So you to await you trying to you, know guard, Lebron and the host. But. When I look. buying. Shoulder in lanes. Right. You Be is heavy. You. Always. bothered. Me Married a lot of trouble. Just. Show. He he pretty he. Heavy May. Lebron is heavy, but you know what. I was looking at them. You know what I'm saying. So I think that Kinda. That's why I was able to Kinda you know those guys. You know what I'm saying, 'cause. I was yet. It'd be going Lebron to eight man that was. I mean I guess that was tough assignment, but I I him home, but in transition it ain't no stopping G. to seventy two away. He coming at me full full head of steam. It ain't either local file and was duck on. Worries. Wanted my guard Lebron. Colby. Warming some. Type versions market for money hole. well, you know what I. When I was garden, Colby. It was almost like I. You know I've watched. You know why I just pay so much attention to cope. Because he was so close to Jordan, saying you, they game was almost identical, so it's almost okay I know when Kobe did. It, he pulls me up. You're going. Shoot A fadeaway here. Really like a back you all the way down to the basket type later. You Know Oh, he'll get it. You know. Make his move, but he's gonNA shoot a fadeaway. You just never know which showed us fade away over, so it was easier for me to guard Kobe because all I had to do was. Like okay. Either contest with my list of contest you know with my right depending on which way he turns. You know what I'm saying. But. We're Lebron if he gets. You know if he's GonNa. Shoot a loan step back fade away or he going back you all the way down to the basket, and you don't know if you hip coming, so you just gotTa try to sit there. They. Hold your own and you doing the whole game against Lebron now okay when I go on the other and kick it out for a corner three am I gonNA? Have enough arms lift and shoot the ball. See I never had to worry about that when I'm going when I go. Kobe because he ain't real heavy, you know he aint backing you all the way to the basket, the whole game that was the difference in garden him. Go on, the Bra am I gonNa, have another legs and arms make a shot on the other end. They kick it out. Go to the Bruin. See I, you know. I can go the whole game guard Koby. Back. You. And your start against in Chicago Bulls USO sixty three. And one point marriage, and from those who are paying attention. MAREO ROGUE TORONTO. Record by. At least one block in twelve consecutive games, my whole one. What. Was In my weedy yeah. Determination I sprinkled determination, and we'll all over them whatever I eat, man I was just hungry. You know I was happy to be too, but I was determined to stay hungry to stay there. You know what I'm saying, so it's like whenever I go out here. It's like what what is my sinement that game that you talking about against Toronto. Chicago and had to guard thing. You know you Dang, wasn't a? He wasn't screw. You know what I'm saying. Definitely not in his Toronto. I mean in Chicago years. You know what I'm saying so is like man. What am I saying? I mean just go out here and make it difficult for a while. Okay cool so the whole game. Just I'm trying to be exactly what his Jersey number e the entire games and you know I thought I was going to be nervous. But I think I was more anxious than nervous. You know what I'm saying just anxious to get out there on the court and. My sister against some of the best players in the world. So like I, said I just bring us some will and determination on my weed man enough and go up there and and live my game. Do what they do. Chris Baugh Payment Yours. Mr Double Double. WHO. Misses Twenty and ten. Let me ask you a question. In Toronto Well You guys working. Yeah. We were teammates in Toronto. Okay Name. You. Oh. Yeah, of course, of course, because of them were nice facelift players. They're not really back to the basket back. You down like shacking, you know. Dunk on you like he likes that dumped on with tumble. SAYING THEY DIDN'T THEY Neither one wanted their more really. You know that type of player. They're going to fade away or are They GonNa Face You jab you know shoot denies Little Mirror right as I think, there's games. They, really right there neck and neck. I. Don't I don't see I, don't I? Maybe maybe adding David shoot the three ball bidder right and he may have you know a little better ball handling in Chris Bosh but. I mean as far as. I mean other than those two things and I think they basically the same player. Chris Hall of Famer. what what's one thing that they get you into the hall of fame? What was the first? How many championships! How many championships decrease. Okay. He looker it. Is He a career? DOUBLE, double guy! Kidding Well we're talking. If you got. He got to check your career. Double double closer. He has nineteen eighty three days nineteen points eight five rebounds. Oh Man I, would I would I would make my hall of fame I like Chris Man. I would make Chris Hall of fame. I would I mean go. If you go, you could go down the hall of fame. Listen look at other people that own the list and be like Oh man. She'll definitely be a hall of Famer. Available. I mean Game Yong L. A. Double Double. Former Day. Nineteen point nine point, two ego, but global. In. Right. Onerous. I guess. I'm. I think Christie is a hall of fame. I think yeah. I know some people going like manager. Mario. You crazy, but. I guess they would. They would have to play against Chris. You know you only believe I guess if somebody show you then and make you a believer. Then you'll okay you right. I think Chris has the whole thing, yes. Doesn't bother you. That his hell. Hendra his. Continuation Rear and if so, what would be your? We'll be looking at first. If you. Owe. Man I you. You always hate the season. Especially, somebody you. You know you teammates would Yo. You got close. You know while you plan. You definitely hate to see somebody. Really get cut short due to hill. You know he'll problems or something like that man you. I I mean for me. They don't even have to be my teammate I. Just Hate I. Don't like what people need hurt in the career I don't like when people. I, don't like when they use your age against you. If you could still if you if you was fifty years old and you could still play at the same level I. Feel like you just it'll be playing. You know what I'm saying, but. What to see Chris have to sit down. You know due to you know the health issues man that was Kinda like Oh. Wow, now and I can. I can imagine how he's built because when I was when I. was seeing it on TV I was shaking my head. I can't believe that you look at it like man. He looked healthy to me. You know what I'm saying I'm sure probably felt like. Man I can cause i. think he was doing trying to play right? Yeah I think he's trying to come back and play, but. I mean that's that's gotta be tough. I I can't even imagine you know being. Caribbean cut short because of that man. But I don't know. I can't say what type of you know how we will be looking at them. What type of player he would be, you know? You just never know you know what I'm saying. We don't know if you. If you You know you might have in much thought averaging thirty. You know what I'm saying went dropping so averaging three you can. You'd never know about that. If I can't see what type of put their you know, we will be looking at now. Chris Wilder Steal. Man but I mean. I guess we can do is go off with. He was already doing so I'm sure he would have been pretty consistent. And then I guess you wouldn't have to ask me. At Chris was a hall of fame. You'd already been banned. Chris Bosh is a hall of fame with her your. What was in one year? Oh you know what man I had some fun and Miami Man when the first game I got D., wages made it made me feel so comfortable, and he was, he was like he was looking for me on the offense of being you know like he was driving, and you just throwing it to the Rim and just let me do what I do and I I felt like we we. We had a season. We've made the playoffs. You. Know I I heard in the playoffs. I wind up having to have surgery. On, a told my Sports Hernia. So I got hurt, but I actually I thought I've clearly. I? would. I think that's the time that was trying to. You know you know. They were transitioning over to Duda, Lebron and and Chris Bosch. They were trying to save money. Instead of you know handing out new, you know big contracts and stuff like that, but I I enjoy it my man. You a time you fly in, it's still warm. I mean you don't have to worry about. You've been colts and all that. I enjoy Miami. You can't even. Imagine. All, Oh, my you. Just you put on your days, Dukes in Miami and go for GIN. You. Talked about. Colby You. Don't. Thinker micro. With the way way. We'll say way. It's like muzzle or some people say like our. Where you put weight in comparison, I don't. I compared to way to Mike. I wouldn't compare undermine the closest thing I've seen to might use Kobe man because his whole demille is the way he walks chew. And gestion. How everything is just like us looking at Mike in a laker uniform. You know what I'm saying. That's that's how I felt. When I when I look at Kobe but. I don't I can't even really. Think of players who compared the way to? That might be they I I know the way, probably one of a can baby you know saying. Yeah I I really can't I. Don't think I. Don't think he's. He, he he he had to fade away like Mike, but I would compare be wait to say. And I definitely want compared to. You know what I'm saying I. Just I think way we just A. Huge, just just. Do you see one of his time for real? I I really can't think people, please. I can't think of not one clear that I that I would compare, can you? Can you think of somebody? Just. Make. Joel. Overseas. I the other day, the Joe Johnson you. Way Toward. WIGGLES! Around? Way. I can. When nobody within the Web one way? He started at. Remarrying me all combination all ready. That this same? He all reminding us. Our, I don't know man I can't. I can't see it man they just like the way just. Just as his all clear, that's all. I can't think of anybody to compare to. Actually missiles to nasty. Way The with eighty. Living when he when he, of course, he's going to hundred and ten. That's the show. That is show he they on the? If you you good they, they probably make you know the number. How many times each a hit for every game? That's the show. They eat on the room and the way going to give you anything you got. But I don't see I don. I can't compare it I now. I gotta sit and think about this. I've never really thought about it, but it like when I'm just trying to off the top of my head I can't think of nobody to compare him to. Other than. that. We all you. In your! World, two, hundred eight. Again on. White House. Talks! All of this stuff was happening. My rookie season man, so it was just like I was like I was dreaming you to you know, go from watching. All those guys like Mike and dumb and the advance and t MAC and you know Nate Robinson and all the people that was on that same stage before me man to be to go from. Years of. mannerly whatever league to get to the NBA. To finally be on the same stages. Those guys man. It's like that's like I. Was James like the whole scene with a dream? But that also weekend was wow man. My family got to come out and you know. They got to experience the weekend. Whitby man because you know. Nobody really likes coming from where I came from nobody you know. made it in professional sports as you know not not went to a high level. In professional sports man, so it's almost like you know you gotTa. Can't we even get Outta? Be Able to you know to. Give them. The opportunity to come meet some people. They watched on TV into experienced that whole weekend. Feel good like if they're like I. They probably felt like they would dream into. What. People asked me what I mad because I. Came in third place and I'm like man. You see the people that I was in adult countries. Why why would I be mad? I can't even believe. So you know the people bet all cheated. You man the white and even don't that, but when you go back and looking at the replay. He was flying with that Kate through ball and look like superman right. That's. Right it man where he was laying, and through that ball in man that was. That was crazy man when they showed it on like you. You really couldn't see what it was when it happened in the regular speed, but you look on the jumbotron. Look at it in slow motion. Right off, okay? Like, it's by like, what did the elbow don't when he did it. People just like but then they go back and look at it like Oh, okay? It was one of those moments when I enjoyed the whole weekend. I wish I could go in. You know what I. Every year on my birthday I could just go back and do this for my birthday. Here every. Got Your younger. Who? Is New. Cheated Gary. The All Star game or the Camper Oh she's. something. Do you. and. All. This year. Oh, no man! That doesn't compare at all. My did dunk contest in does. It doesn't compare at all to those two men don't. Matter of fact, it was the last one and the one before that one I think. I think both of them should have ended in a tie scoop. Aaron Gordon in. Levine put on show. They've put on a show every time they enter. Don't want to put on the show I. don't even think Aaron. Probably. You probably don't even want to be in into again, man. I would have. That would have been the first time in NBA history I if it was me judging. This is the first time of MBA is attack. And both they they let 'em dunk all night. You. were. Out His. Junior's slams. You. Oh I I. Don't know I I think that that the the height you know. Joe Julia Right. Yeah. Man He get some height on his man like he almost got to look into rent. I think that would give me you know me. Everybody say I jumped high. But when you look at somebody else, do you like? Oh, man, now see what everybody's talking about because when I don't get it just like okay, I don't you know. But Anyway, man, you was up there, but when I watched him get like, and then he jumps so easy. It's like he's like life like somebody just threw him in the air. Like. Young White. Yeah Man Walking Salah. Don't tell him I said. Don't tell him. I said I got to see him when I get to Vegas Man. Radio tomorrow. More, you will enjoy. All. In Los. Ange. Reinvent Yourself. They like he disappeared or something, and it's all about when you you got. You have certain roles. When you go to certain teams, you know what I'm saying and a lot of people like a lot of people that outside of the game that you know, they just watch it on TV. They just thinking you going out there and you playing. Everybody gotTa Roll. You know what I'm saying so. I, mean you you've got you do your job. You get paid. You go home just like anybody that work. A regular job. They you know they go to work. They do what they do. What they require and they they come back home i. think the White was just you know he was doing what he had to do with whatever team he was with I. Don't think he reinventing itself, and then like that, but I do like him with the Lakers because. You know he's dealing with the best still blocking shots. You still rebounding. You know don't really have the deal. Too Much of a school or you know what I'm saying. They got people that can score the basketball. saw. And shot blocker in in a rampant Anna rebound Amandus I, with Lincoln and extra files. So. Yeah, of course, I liked the white man. You'll get moved. CLEVELAND. Laurent? Man. It was like one loan funeral group. You know like everything just. I'm seeing raise like everything just like like. The got slipped out of everybody like Oh man, I can't believe is. You know saying. Like. I think the fans would. They were like they were like. You know like like they like they were. Lebron was married to them, and he cheated on almost something. You know what I'm saying. They were like burning. Did you saw the pictures? They was burning stuff and it was bad man. You know everybody was hurt. You know I I, were you? I was hurt, but not to the point we'll be like man I don't like Lebron you know. I'll let me know all this US away. You know I want hurt to the point. You know while you know. Do something crazy like bad, but. I feel like we were so close to. You know we just had the? Just needed to add a couple like a piece of pizza hands. Maybe you know what I'm saying and we could have you know got over the Hump. But you know when I go back and think about it, you know. A lot of people were like Lebron never really live outside of Akron and. Mess around the area, so he used the time that he went to Miami but like college years like when all the college and you know you got away and did his thing and you know now. He comes home so so basically when we went to college. got a degree. He came home one a championship for Cleveland. You know what I'm saying. That's how I look at it. After the fact, you know everybody. Kinda hurt you know what I'm saying. But I wouldn't go. Go to not be as friend or hating. Net like that man. Because the end of the day is, the game is a game and it's a business, so you know obviously did. He made the best business decision for him and his family. And I'm sure a lot of other people will probably do the same thing. If somebody says you can go, you know wherever and you got a better situation for you for. You and your family. Of course you don't go to the situation for you and your family. So. Like when he went off to the army came back and everybody. Cleveland was standing right there over on. You know what I'm saying. He came and got the job. That's that's what I think. Should installer. And to. Right. Right. Right man, that's exactly what it will. That's exactly what it was. But you know what though man I'm happy I'm happy. He came back to Cleveland and won a championship I'd 'cause I know they had to take a whole lot of. Brescia offer like it will, probably like you know how you have bag gas. Man You just all. My base all of my back I'm hurting. The did you find just you know? Let all of that. Go US like Oh. Man, really I know. That's exactly how the brunt head video man. That's why he was crying sodas. The buzzer went off when they WanNa, championship, man I'm so happy. That way came back and got the championship. Put them thank them. Fans in Cleveland with lawyer boy. That when we when I. When the abroad live. And we I think we lost like twenty six, straight or something. I think we had a long losing streak man when. Lebron came back and. Switch man, and got him back on the winning side I know they had to be like. Yes, thank you fans. They would have a whole time the whole time to all this stuff. Who's going through? Goma all they're losing. Those fans was coming in their rudeness on because they understood. You know what happened is basically you've carly rebuilding. On so there was this showing they lawyer showing they support and we get going out there. Plan. We trying to lose. The show going trying to get them all man, but you don't I'm happy. He came back and got him one man. 'cause ages are. You in that. Gain. was out there. You WanNa work right. Right, Well. What Was it light? Matha, it was business as usual. I. Mean he wasn't on our team anymore? He was on opposing teams who we had to go out there and get. You can, you can feel that energy in the air. Man Every time Lebron got the basketball. You know the you heard what the fans would. Ban. was that was crazy with the play in the game you hear. Would you really like that into to it because you're trying to do job at the same? Well you go back and watch and game, and you can hear that man that had had her. I've known that that had to hurt a lot. To you know to come home into, you know to get treated like that man but. I'm sure he'd probably understood the way these he he'd probably already knew. You know the the kind of welcome. If. That's what you WANNA. Call that he was to get. So he had to come out and do his job. We had to do our job man, but it was. It was weird. It was it was weird to just see him in the heat uniform anyway. The. Our Man. I'm sure he glad there's over. I'm glad it's over man. Everybody happy, you know. They love him now so. A good break right now. You. Als- UBS Obama. Was your while. We're! No actually Jeremy was was zero. Year I think he was oh somewhere. He might have been on the West, coast or something at the time. I can't remember what team it was weird then, but he was going when I got a when I got Charlotte. 'cause you know. I had a I was with the clippers and then. I didn't get signed so I went to the to the G. League and got called up to To the bottom cats. and Gerald he was he was somewhere, but I came towards the middle of it was almost towards the end of the season. That was year. They only one like six or seven games or something. I remember that. Right but me. Geraldine across past before I. Mean you know throughout the other years thousand elite? Also that was all. That was always great man it. Everytime, we played them. It felt like I was getting like my high school getting ready to play his. That's how I was always feel to me. Man just good to see somebody from right down the street. Plan at the same you know the highest live with both of us had the same coming from right down the road from me. Each the man that always feel good so how? Do, you. Whole thing. From this! Man Probably about twenty minutes maybe. Brought about twenty minutes straight down? How two eight? It's not not for on that was that was a big rivalry and high school so I I think I think when when you know, both was in the NBA people from all town wanted us to be rivals or some. You know they were that it was great, actually I. Actually he came. We played a big three game in Birmingham and he came I. Actually Eight Man. You don't want Oh. Come complete in the big three man, but I think he I think he'd done thank. He officially retired from basketball. So, you know. We're not gonNA. Keep asking him when I see you know. Talking about the clippers, you, you slave labor. Riley ribbon you hundred your air. List Mojo. In. When I looked at. Everybody. But I feel like huge. Game. Something Woking didn't new. ERA I feel like Rickman. Expanding meeting. Don't. Exactly. Down in that same war. Game All. All you see what I'm saying. Yeah I mean I noticed him when I was, he was asked new working on that one I was with when I was with the with the clippers. You know he was the re like. If we assume that practice, he shoot threes or he would shoot whatever shot you know, some of the wing player. He went just working. Out The pos dumps that you always go. You know he he was he. You could tell. He wanted to get better man. He wanted to do more than just you know. Run the kids lobs, but you know what that's Kinda. Crazy, right? 'cause. He was averaging twenty points, and he wasn't even shooting jumpers. So I guess he figured like Hey. If I if I develop meal, you know my shot outside. You know close to the three point line then you know it's going increase my pay. Go and he did a good job at my answer. He I ain't saying you know spectacular suitable. You leave him open. You don't make. He makes them shot. Mars. What are you doing yourself? These bulls Manley's my kids starting to play ball, guys. I got two daughters and eleven and by. Both of them started playing with my. The second year this past, so this past season was a second year for my eleven year. Old Year is played her first season man. It's like. Them to give made played basketball man, my level year old, just taller than Mama now. I think she's like buyers, seven or something like that man so. Making some phone calls to. The because some of the college coaches and They they got somebody. They need to watch out for but I think the kids. 'CAUSE I didn't make them. You know I I wanted one of the parents that played basketball to the kids I. Hey, you go play basketball because this what I said you know what I'm saying. I wouldn't WANNA those people. And you know. They just picked up the basketball. They fill in low basketball almost five. Oh always outside and yours you choose and jump man. About my eleven year old just I don't know she just digging into everybody's, so she's. She's just a big burly. Handle man, so that's what I'm doing. Man I just I. Just be outside of you know whenever we can go back to Jim. I'll be in gym, but now just out here. Man Just watching them shoot and watching him world to learn a game and telling them. Hey is, basketball can take you a long way. I hope they win it I'm not going, you know. Make them, but if they. If. They start playing. They can quit. If you start a season, you can't quit. If you don't stop playing basketball, it'll be acid is. So if you WANNA. Do you gotta? Love it. Put you know. Put your time in. And you know get. Good so that's all I'm doing. Man Watching young girl and play man. I ain't doing it too much working out shape. You know what I'm saying. I can keep running around with them. Don't already what I'm like really like twenty five. Old is how you. Write all your mind. That's what always say. Man is all in your mind. I don't WanNa. I don't WANNA I don't WanNA act like old I. Don't WanNa dress like an old feel like if I dress like old on. We're still feeling like Lozo. I feel. The same way that they are well blue, crazy colors and all kind of deal young. BIVARY Energy. gave. The. Energy and you the word of twenty one. Needs are. Ride on what you right? where? Oldest. and. That's the whole in your. Cray Paulo's I'm glad you blending in with? Right. Right matter of fact I got some crazy I. Don't know you watch the big the championship this year but I had some Super Mario. Custom shoes I actually got them on my feet right now. Rig Green, purple, yellow, everything all kind of color. They. Don't just lighten it up man. I actually won't eat the gym today man. Won't. Listen. Well along those who are paying attention to make sure. That they continue. Searching our. your. Special. All the tournament you. Six. The Kennedy. Dot Com for more information on and everyone. Check out all your stuff on instagram and facebook players. Ride. My instagram is I. I am J mold. My twitter is at I. Am Jim Mario but mostly on the ground I don't I just use love baseball just as socialized with with my people. You know round well from my instagram. The clown at I N J. O! On. 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Episode 558 | Thinking Through Funding as a Bootstrapper

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Episode 558 | Thinking Through Funding as a Bootstrapper

"Welcome to this week's episode of star for the rest of us. I'm rob walling this week. Have a great conversation with are both set if i recall. Intervals said is my co-founder with tiny seed. And he's also the founding partner of discretion capital which is an advisory firm. That advises sas founders. Who are in. Let's say the one to two million and up air are range when they decide that they want to and you need people who know what they're talking about eight hours one of them and the fun part of our conversation today is we. We batted around funding for bootstrap and really specifically. There's been a couple of conversations. I've had over the past couple of months that have got me thinking about talking about this on the show because obviously this funding has become much more viable for trappers. It's not just bootstrap adventure path. There's this whole thing in the middle that we talk about. Tiny seats is obviously part of that. And i think there's still confusion misconceptions. And it's just a morpheus and often hard to understand what's going on and kind of some of the reality of it and so we spend this whole episode batting around when suga bootstrap Think about raising funding. Should they not. When is it a good fit and we talk a little bit about terms and founders should think about raising and just everything we're seeing in the cool part is he and i have pretty different perspectives and i share perspectives on a lot of things being hundreds of tiny seed but i also have a lot of experience with other angel investments that i made before tiny see that are still around and i see different examples and he has experience with his discretion work and even the companies that he started before tiny seeds so my hope is that it is helpful in providing a little more of a level set and some more thoughts on this topic so with that. Let's dive into my conversation with novel. Set thanks for joining me once again. Started for the rest of us. Three only andro and we get stuck about funding and thinking through bootstrapping versus funding. Or even these days. It's it's not just two options right. It's not just. Should i sell fund. Should i bootstrap. Should i raise venture. It's like there's all these these avenues you can go down. You know whether it's a tiny seed accelerator raising small angel round for a couple of hundred grand to me my take is. It's gotten more robust and easier for founders who are in the microcosm to the rest of us type community in that situation to raise on terms that make sense to them because ten years ago. I don't know of a single company in our space that could raise money. Not from essentially institutional who wanted him to become unicorns. I mean just like there's equity and the different types of investments to know that that wasn't the thing like five years ago like things like non-dilutive revenue based financing pipe. That thing yeah. A lot of options. I know when i did. My microsoft talk in vegas was us growth. Maybe is twenty eighteen. Where i set it might have been nineteen. I can't who can keep track with covet. It's just everything. Before code. And everything. After but i did a talk and i was kind of like talking about the state of bootstrapping and and how i saw more companies raising funding not to go venture track but to raise one round. You know maybe two and two hundred to five hundred grand. I pointed out customer dot io. I'm an investor investor. Churn buster right message cart. Hook lead us all these folks who are like. Yeah we're not. We're not looking ipo. You know we're not going to the full weight and as that happening. Obviously tiny came out of the need where it's like well. I only had so much of my own money to be able to put that in. We did tiny seat because there was a need on that side. It was pretty obvious that more kind of bootstrap ish capital efficient founders. Want to raise money these days. I mean we're on a mission for me. The reason why. I love doing this. Because i think that kind of investments in that kind of founder really enables them to quit their day job. An really like there can be many more founders like that. If you have the capital going to these kinds of places yeah and i wanna be clear obviously started to the rest of us five hundred whatever home almost five sixty now like. We've we've talked a lot about bootstrapping and we also talked about funding even going back to like twenty thirteen twenty fourteen. I talked about fun strapping with colin from customer dot. Io mike taylor that costa meritous of starts through i had several episodes on when to think about taking angel investment on funding verses bootstrapping. Nineteen questions to ask. That was episode. Four eleven back in two thousand eighteen. So it's not right for everyone you know and i think that's one thing we want to talk through today is like when does it make sense. We've seen founders. I'm to be honest. I don't know the unite. I've ever talked about this. But like i've seen founders who i just thought would just be bootstrap irs forever and never as round take funding and they have very good reasons for it and they don't regret it. And it's folks. Like like craig hewitt with casto susan. Tiny see batch one. I thought he was going to boostup. Everything ruben gomez with bids sketch and now docs gets sign. Well to money from us you know and and he did it to move faster. He did it because it makes them things just a little easier. You know. and it hasn't changed his business other than having more resources to work. Yeah i think you mentioned colin to accuse during during readily while. I think he's doing these open about his numbers things during twenty two million era. When you talk him he's totally along that line to of like. Hey i'm not. I don't wanna be unicorn. I want to build a real business. Twenty two million are sas company in the email space. And now they're i think they're doing crowdfunding fund or i know they're doing it crowdfunding thing right now to raise money and i believe they've raised like to smaller rounds before that and the very first round was a couple hundred grand and i don't know if the second round was but i think it's probably in crutch base but you're right it's founders like like that who see it there's bootstrapping there's vc and then there's this whole thing in the middle now that's what we're trying to. It's still a morpheus. I think that's what we're leaning into obviously with with tiny seats. So i think that's a good lead actually to the first year we're going to cover some topics like why raise if you want to and again this. Podcast is not becoming a funding. I think about raising funding. Or if you don't raise funding or not in the club. It's nothing like that. It's just another tool in the tool belt right. It's it's another option revenue as financing this type of funding. Whatever to help you get there faster. Which is really mission of microcosm star arrest all my writings from day. One it's like. How can we help. More entrepreneur succeed more founders. Become self sustaining and this is just. This is another option so i may have mentioned a few of them already but when you see founders raising these about somebody let's say through tiny cedar through doing other inch like when is that a good call. When should they think about that. And how how are they using the money to essentially accelerate their business in the best case. I think i started one of the main ways that i thought about. It would be for tiny owners would be people who sort of had enough you know had some kind of revenue coming in. But it wasn't really enough to make it like their main focus. And i still think there is a is a good chunk of the founders. That we back are like that where it's like they're at three thousand eight thousand emirati or something like that and particularly ever eight. Thousand two founders. You're probably not self-sustaining at that point. And like i think taking money in order for Yourself and say okay. I'm not gonna burn all my mice life savings or remortgaged my house to take this risk. I want basically to offload that risk to someone else who has a higher risk appetite than me. I think that's one of the better reasons to do it. But i also think like one of the most surprising things is how many people are at the point where they could probably you know. They don't use the money that we give them to pay themselves. But they use a Accelerate the channels. That are already working or feel like this gives them the leeway to just be a little bit more experimental with the kind of growth channels. They can go after so if you're totally bootstrap than you're lying basically just about self sustaining. How keen you're going to be to be like all right. I'm gonna hire like an sdr service and run that for three months for sixteen grand and than you know potentially higher like a sales person and try that channel out or reupped started. Google google ad campaign to try out this new channel. Like i said i think offloads. Some risk enables the founder to take more risk and potentially grow their business substantially faster. Yeah and see. I like that thing about offloading risk. Because there's been several founders who i know who have taken money like derek grammars an example right after the acquisition he has enough money that he could basically angel fund himself right but he took tiny seed money back in best one and when i talked to him about it like why. Why did you do that because you have that much money. Plus plus some in the bank and he said it. Take some risk off the table like a. It's more runway but it's also less of my personal risk and don't give up control. It's just not a huge loss except for a few points of equity in essence. Which i figure. Hey it successful as probably not going to matter in the end jerk absolutely yeah. I like that idea that thought of like taking some risk off the founder. 'cause bootstrapping to troops trapping as you said. There's a ton of risk on you personally and it can be stressful. Maybe take like it is a certain level of privilege to be able to drop a lot of the time. It means that you have i. There's a bunch of savings. You made a ton of money doing something else or allow the time. Your spouse makes enough money so that they can cover the whole household. And i think just enabling this kind of funding means that more people who necessarily aren't already in that situation can take the risk that's just inherent and starting something like a software business and it makes sense so from for my in like the folks that i see raising and doing well with the money. They want it to move faster. They wanted to decrease risk as you've said and usually not every time they want to high key hire that they can't afford actually these days with big companies remote now talent is more expensive than it used to be and so i think the the main hires and correct me if you've seen other other situations but the main hires i've seen are to hire like a marketer somebody to kind of run demand gen or an agency to do the marketing and the other one is like more development talent like a developer who can technically lead so that the founder. Maybe a step away or if it's a nontechnical founder that they have you know that personnel. Whose whose friend show. I think those are the two big ones. Yeah i think telling how different are broaches like the founders that we talked too. Because that's not what i see. What do you see now. That's why you're on here right. Yeah i see people mostly hiring like a customer success type person just to take like customer support load off either key engineers the founders and then i see people hiring sales like you know. They're they're trying to like either just as the ours in order to fill more the final for the for the founder to the close or for the founder. To sort of say okay. I'm ready for an account. Exact you can. You can do demos. i don't spend all my time doing demos. I see a bunch of those things to where it's like. Yeah they probably would have gotten there to where they needed to hire a customer support or another sales people but maybe that would take another eighteen months and like just the fact that they can they can hire now just means too business moves faster and and i think to look at it from the opposite side like what are the scenarios or situations where a booster founder probably shouldn't raise probably should think about just continuing bootstrap and i'll throw it out right from the start by sentiment. Is that if you don't have if you don't have or are pretty. Dang close to product market fit. Meaning that you've built something people want and are willing to pay for that. I think you should keep grinding until you get really close to that now. I'm not saying you have to have a sustainable marketing channel. And a bunch of leads coming in and a whole built out funnel that'd be great gives you a better valuation. It makes more investors interested. But if you're at two am rr and you're getting onesie. tuesday people coming in. And some people are churning. And you're just kind of it's an early products still my sentiment is. That's not something. I'm personally interested. Investing in and i don't know a lot of investors who are willing to bet that early. Do you agree or disagree. I think there are a lot of investors looking to bed early. i think. But they're more like your story has to be different. So if anything i actually think is easier to raise money when you have no revenue if you have a good story. I don't think it'd be to be sas but even so it's like you know we're gonna do this thing where society you're six months end and you have a twenty percent monthly earned. The people can look at. It's hard to explain. The difference i think is if you're going to go to market and try to raise with you know no revenue and just a plan or a vision on stuff. That plan vision has to be much larger because the kind of investor who are like interested in investing say twelve million pre. You know without a product in just two or three engineers because the risk is now so high they need. It needs to be something that they believe can be unicor. So you sort of in the unicorn territory like if your story isn't up until the right they're going to be like. Nah we see a lot of. We see a lot of pitches for people who are who haven't proven anything yet and so they really have to believe in be excited about the story in a way that like even eight thousand negro in ten fifteen percent month-on-month with no churn different thing for people to invest in. So i don't know any investors. And i have friends with what twelve fifteen angel investors are all former founders like microsoft people. I met through microsoft stuff. I don't know anyone who invest in a sap pre revenue. You know there's a couple. I know allowed. I think that's the difference right. He's got stock. The stock un's people who will do that but again like it has to be big. Vision has to be adventures business right interest. Ipo take over. The world changed this now that those kind of investor typically well if anything i do think sometimes easier to sell the dream of than trying to explain the numbers. In this regard. I would agree with that and i will just say and you and by the way don't agree on everything. So that's like on this podcast. I mean that's why you're here. Otherwise i could monologue this whole right and just do a rob solo at marketing hires and things like that. Nobody's about marketing hires. Yeah and i'm talking to them. They're like don't talk to rob if you're going to do sales higher talk to all right so that's so. Yeah my take is like with be sas if you want to build a ten twenty thirty million dollar business if you have a really good network and let's say you're a second time founder right. You're a josh. Pickford your adere kramer your whatever. Anybody ran fish again. can you raise pre revenue. David cancelled right on his fifth. One i think. I remember how much he raised. But here's like five million of fifteen or twenty million dollars valuation with just an idea because as david cancel right but most of us. Aren't that person right. Most of us are doing this for the first time. If you don't have a strong network or some type of in and you'd want to build a bbc's company ten twenty thirty million. I have not seen someone be able to raise around at that point pro. I also think crucially the thing to think about is. I do think you can raise like i said i know several investors who you to do this like you can raise with just an idea or a deck or just a team or whatever but division has to be big and that does usually excludes your From actually doing the kind of exit were like at twenty or fifty million bucks because just the mechanics of the way that investments are being made in that case with liquidation preferences evaluations. And all this stuff means and like you know rights to investors to block things things like that you'll end up in a situation where like you have to really go for like hundred five hundred billion dollar exit or nothing like that's the there is very little middle ground there so another type of business that i think should probably not raise is a step one business if we think about the stair step approach step when businesses are usually oftentimes built on a platform like shop by add on a roku add on a wordpress plugin and usually they plateau at some point that is far below what any investor even bootstrapped friendly investors want right and their and their platform risk to that. Hey you build some big enough shop fi comes in knockin in bad things happen right and you build something big enough and you know. I don't know who roku hasn't done this. As far as i know but any platform can kill you or just say. Hey pay us. Twenty thirty percent of your revenue all of a said. Yes i do sees break up businesses on both the on platforms. Like the does happen. But i certainly think the risk is higher than investors will be more like. Well what happens here if you know they build this in house or catch off ownership for yeah and we you know being tiny seed have invested in at least one and i'd say you know a few businesses that have platform risk including rails auto scale. Adam was on the podcast few weeks ago and that was a conversation we had early on was. Hey how does this scale because they can raise auto scale be a five or ten million dollar era business as it stands now personally. I'm pretty skeptical. And adam is to the space. Maybe just isn't that large and so then we send well. How do you reduce platform risk. And how do you get to x million in revenue right and and you as long as a founder is thinking about that then at least there's room there's room to grow there. I think there's been other. Someone asks me on twitter at maybe. It was like eight or nine months ago. Why is there no tiny seed for info products or course creators like makers and it was. It was an honest question. I appreciate it. And i answered it and basically said because they don't scale like sas because they're often reliant on a single individual not all the time but often relying on a personality or a personal brand and the exit multiples. Aren't there right. I mean that's part of why this works. Is that sas sells for such a crazy high multiple not that everyone has to sell but that is one driver of returns i think another time when founders should probably not raise money as if they want that true the true true four hour workweek lifestyle business. They want to work part time. I mean i did this. Did this for a couple of years with it was great. We're twelve hours a week. And it's like is not that suddenly investors or your boss because that's not how it is. I think i think investors are probably a lot more involved than than they think. They are like managing their time. Like your time clock and that's not you know your time sheet. That's not how it s. But i do think if you wanna work ten or fifteen hours a week. Go bootstrapping amazing business and bake a lifestyle. And i've had several of those. But i think moment you think about 'hamitic out someone external funding from someone else to me. It's kind of a commitment to like. No i'm going to grow this. You know and i'm gonna. I'm going to be committed to this business full time. I'm not going to go start other side projects during this time. Not that you can't do anything. I mean you can sell blog podcasts. Or whatever but if i invested in a founder personally and they were doing assess happened suddenly. They started another like a little side project. Sas app i. I would have a conversation with him about. What's what's the plan there. Do you plan to. Do you plan to focus or do you plan to split time. Or what's the deal. Do you agree with that. Or what do you think ours a pivot. I dunno like most investors come along. They'll be ip assignments and stuff the company. So if you start a company and then he worked on the product and then you start a side business now. Is your investor. Part on the side. Business to mom is that a is it. What is it you know certain things to think about there. But i think you're right. I mean like running a business. Most of the time we're talking about like it's it's a full-time job. If you're planning for most of the time you know if you're planning to do for our work within then i probably would look info products or some some of the more you know. Smaller scale in seven. Plays her great. I mean you know. When i think about i did this with tale right. Hit was like it was like a single feature on most as like it had multiple screen but it was not the place that we're talking about and it really it was. Seo was an seo keyword tool. and i just had a couple of channels that worked. Mostly on autopilot. Didn't have to do sales. it was self service. Churn was high because the price points were low. But that didn't matter. I got up to twenty five thirty cam once gray lifestyle business. You know what i mean. But that's that would have been dumped for me to go out and say i'm gonna take investment for this unless i wanted to double down to be like look. I'm going to make this into an seo sweet or rank tracking. There's things that could expand the market. But i personally wasn't interested in doing that in that space. And so i mean and it's also like in some cases like it. It makes sense to go after the bigger thing after a while. Like you know i. I'm still i still remember when pager duty launched i was like pager duty like what. Yeah and now. They're publicly listed company. You know i'm like okay wrong. Sometimes sometimes there are you know. Things are bigger than you think. I think a lot of the time. And i just think it's early stage investors. It's despite what some investors will tell you. I think it's almost impossible to really really have a good sense of what's going to really work. There's just a lot randomness in locking things in there. That accounts for a lot of it. Yup when i think of funding options for bootstrap irs these days. Obviously you know there's accelerator like tiny seed. There are other funds that do similar stuff see. I don't know. I mean i've heard of like the weekend fund which is from ryan hoover. Who's the product on founder. I don't know if they're boots for friendlier if they're kind of venture only and i think that's a conversation to have with folks if you're gonna take funding to be like. Hey i would sell. If i got an offer for twenty million right to be up front about that and if the investor doesn't want to invest in. I don't think he should take the money. Because you're going to have this conflict now when you get that offer twenty million that's going to change your life and you push back on it and the investors going to say no one hundred million or a billion or bus right you have to be on page and there are investors out there. I know angel investors who are willing to take that three x five x ten x versus a kind of unicorn. Play this sort of boils down to trade of terms evaluation that you take to I think is more traditional so commodity stuff. it's always like the higher valuation. You can raise up the better like all looking to be raised at twenty million dollars per year. Twelve million dollar praise like you raised a twelve million dollar pre and you sell for twenty million even if you have the right to do so and your investor is not going to be happy. It's not what they wanted. That's pretty much a fail for people. Just because of the economics of how the investors the investors in their investors operate so that the trade off really when comes to like while optionality. Are you leave a taking off the table by taking super high valuation raising a ton of money and that. That's a really good point. Is that most of the more bootstrap for friendly funding sources. That i'm familiar with. The valuations are lower than if you went to santo road. It's silicon valley and it's two people in a garage with two laptops and they have a product and they can get whatever five or ten million dollar and coming out of y see everybody doesn't they. Don't take a ten minute thing whether they've launched or not which is just crazy. Say like i heard free product launch on demo days. Like twelve to twenty million pre. That's insane but but here's the thing what has changed. I think the last ten years the values it used to be. I mean because the dark days of like two thousand two thousand nine and like almost nobody was investing which has turned out to prevent the best time to be investing in things like we and dropbox and things but fundamentally i think what changed is and i think this is kind of debilitating for founders. Who were struggling with us because you read all these stories about other so much money in this space. Now it's like it. You should go out and raise money right now because there's just there's never been more money in the in the ecosystem and if you look at the inflows adventure that's true. There's a ton of money going in but they tend to go after fewer and fewer deals. And so you had a very binary outcome where it's like either. You're super hot to the point. Where like you know. Venture capital associates are like cold calling you on a friday night or this crickets. There's nothing in his. That's very very tricky to deal with particularly if you're trying to raise money and you're in the crickets camp and then you read all these stories about like it's the easiest time to raise money. I'm like well. It's the easiest time to raise money for a particular kind of company opportunity in founder if you if you don't want to do that or it's not what you're after it can be very hard. Yeah i think that's a really good point to think about okay. So let's say today. Are you had a bb sas app. Doing five hundred thousand dollars a month in heart and you decided that you did want to raise that round. Obviously i would love. If you'd come to ten dot com and your email address. We are now having open applications. Or whatever running two batches per year and so every six months we open applications when we we you know we'd love to chat and we even have a mid batch application if you're doing anything north of five thousand mirror and we have those coming through and we're having conversations so we can fund people as you as it makes sense for their journey but let's say you were doing ten twenty k miramar and you decided for whatever reason that you didn't want to go through program like tiny seat and you're gonna raise it on your own you wanna say. Raise say two hundred two hundred fifty thousand dollars in my head. You gotta work your network right and if you don't have one i'm not sure what to do and that's actually i when i thought about raising let's say six seven years ago i was just like i don't know who will talk to who give me money but i would then look at using a convertible note or a safe and people can google. We're not gonna define them here but there are ways to not. Actually you don't have to do a price round now. Gets to find your cap table and that can take more time. There's no due diligence in that convertible note or safe is a promise of essentially future equity to investors. Is that the approach. You would take. I think probably i mean i'm more pros selling equity to. I think that's fine. As long as sort of problem with selling equity is a lot of the time it ends up so most investors on people don't designer most investors on this is not true for us will make the founders paid for their legal fees so hard the reason. Why safe some convertible notes took off and things is because it's cheaper on the legal front and that is sort of doubly valuable because most of the time traditionally at least investors have been like. Yeah i'm going to know. Have you pay for my for my lawyer. So if you're taking to fifty. And it becomes a protracted back and forth with legal views on either side. You could easily be in a position where oh you got two hundred fifty thousand dollar investment but now forty fifty thousand that in legal fees for you and the investor that you both have to pay out of that two hundred six thousand but if you can deal with someone who can very effectively and efficiently do a price round than i don't. I don't think there's a huge downside to that. That's what we do. We do inefficiently right. Yeah it is. there's some tax benefits. There's some clarity there. I think a lot of time in terms of like who owns watts. It's less of an issue with with more like the kind of tiny type companies or distract our companies where you're not doing fundraising every eighteen months. But some of the challenge with Convertible things is if you do multiple rounds of this and like you know one after the other in some some bridge stuff in there actually becomes quite difficult after a while to fake her how much she accompanies left. Because i converted different caps at different times in different triggers. And all that stuff so so there is something to be said for this other cleaners to say okay. While on buying equity and valuing your company we think it's worth two three million and by ten percent for whatever might using. There's a there's a nice into that if but the challenge is like if you run into particularly if you run into unsophisticated investors or maybe investors who are used to larger rounds or later stage staff you can get stock in blow easily fifty grand legal fees which is obviously not there for a quarter million dollar right to untangle. That gets my advice. Don't raise a bunch. Hit a bunch of different caps valuations. Keep it keep it simple for vehicle i. This is the thing like if you're if you're going more traditional venture route than raising money you raise money so you bernhardt bernhardt and then you're running out of money and got a raise more money so you can keep earnhardt so right now. There are people with like thirteen. Safes and they're like a like someone with software that can help you figure out there like a an analyst company figure out how much the company's left don't do your bootstrap or you're not going to be raising all the time like i would advise would be not to do that as a boost trapper. You don't need to be raising all the time. And it's a distraction and you're not on the venture venture treadmill where you need to raise every eighteen months so i would chill out a little bit with a keep. It simpler one last note on safes and convertible notes. Is that if you truly are thinking. Maybe this might be my my only round then committing to your essentially giving equity in in the future usually at the next funding round or if there's an acquisition right so if you do plan to runs a company you want to rent it for ten or twenty years and takeout. profit save. Convertible note is not legal advice. We're not lawyers like that's a disclosure but it's not the best i mean it can screw investors to be honest. There's actually isn't it's top towel. I believe where they raise. Money on safes. Convertible notes never raised another round. They haven't sold and so all the investors don't technically on the equity and the founder can actually literally legally take money out of the company and put it in his own pocket or you know him. Or the other founders. I guess whoever owns the equity. So that's weird situation. And i think if you are thinking about doing it longer term than equity. It's probably makes a bit more sense to think about that. The other thing is there was a free tiny seed. Didn't angel investments working out for a while but the founder use convertible note eh. He just said all right. We're just converting to equity at at this rate like we're just converting at this at the cap or something like that. He just decided he won't everyone on the cap table. He wanted to clean it up and he didn't wanna keep interest involved in this and that and it was just a decision as the founder. He made to to simplify everything so founder thinking about raising money. What do you think the dollar amounts were. Should they land. I guess should is a strong word. But there's a minimum that makes sense right. It's like you don't. I don't think you should go try to raise. I seventy five thousand dollar round because the time and the legal fees alone are not worth it and then what's on the top end i think. What are your thoughts on. Small and large. I think anything less than is a little different. If you're taking like a pre specified money from us or by or whatever the case one twenty one eighty two hundred whatever. But i think in general if you're gonna raise money is probably worth raising at least one fifty two hundred thousand. I would say the at least that's true. I think in the us than i think it's hard it becomes. One of those things is like if you can't raise that much. Is it really worth the pain. Going through having investors Unlike at seventy five an example just cost and things like if you were to do a special purpose vehicles this is one of the one of the ways that you can put a bunch of people on a single line item on your on your cap table. Angels will do that for the investor on the investor side is going to cost eight thousand bucks to do which is actually reasonably cheap. But if you're raising seventy five thousand bucks. That's the material part of the the actual investment that comes through and this know pretty significant dilution for the investors to take so i do think that the becomes a stage whereas like you know what this doesn't make any sense and i think that's probably by one fifty two hundred thousand something like that right and we should point out that accelerator. Like tiny seat is different than that. I mean most founders. Who raise get funded by us. I'd say the vast majority of one one hundred twenty thousand about two fifty is a general range. But since our process we fund twenty companies at once and we funded the entire round. This is very different than you going. And trying to find. Four investors at twenty five k. Each and then trying to close around that legal costs will be that much cost on you and more complexity trying to wrangle them than in dealing with a fund like tiny seem like is just more efficient for us am we legal fee sober sort of incentivize to make it efficient process instead of something that just drags on right and then angeles has an via roll up vehicle which i think i don't know so much about it but i think the idea. Is there a no fee are are you. And it's to help with convertible notes in safes and stuff. But i think it's pretty new. Have you heard about this time. Is there to me. I should go different. Espy visa at angels. Dsp fees eight grand suites similar to that like. It's certainly the same deal. It's like the reason why you would have. This is because you wanna be able to say okay. Twenty five people who wanted to throw ten grand each. But i don't want twenty five people on my cap table for sort of reasons Togetherness than the s p. The one that invests in a row vehicle is sort of the same. So it's not entirely clear rather technically different. Well here's one thing about our is you basically you have to be a us c. corp in order to do it so that's gonna cut out a lot of folks wanna tale sees or want to be incorporated in different state. But they basically say if you're raising safe an equity round you're likely eligible for a no fee are uv and zero care for investors. But again i haven't dug into it to know how that all works. And how angels makes the money or if they're just doing it out of the kindness of their heart you think that's the i don't know i don't think that not that angeles their business right. They have to make money on this stuff somewhere so cool. Yeah so in my head. I agree with you. I think one fifty to five hundred thousand are the most common. That's the most common range that i've seen across the web. We have forty one tiny seed investments. And i have eighteen between sharing. i eighteen private. Angela vestments a pretty much made before tiny seats. So that's a pretty almost sixty companies and that has by far been the range when fifty up to five hundred. There's obviously exceptions. There's people who go have a really great work in their second time founder and they go out and raise six hundred grand in the first round but it that's pretty. I've been pretty unusual in my experience. Esther i mean there are there are people who do it and it's just it's just a matter of like what. What are you trying to do with like. What is the world trade offs in terms of optionality. In like what you you know because like if you raise two three million bucks than investors expect you to spend. It is not like we don't expect you to spend it. In some cases we have dealt founders. Like hey why are you not doing. This seems expensive. Well we gave you money. You should spend. It just seems like a good use of the money. But that's even more pronounced if you're raising two million bucks if you're raising two million bucks than investors will not be pleased if twelve months later two or three million bucks in your in your account. Ls that's because he'd been growing like crazy. Yeah and i think with that in mind. I mean the ideas. The more you raise the more of your company you have to sell right in that all depends on on valuation as well. Evaluation is really set by the market but the market looks at. What's your traction oftentimes. What's your mirror. What's this story or telling rey. What's the certainty that people think that you are gonna be able to provide a return whether that return we'll get into in. His second is is an exit down the line or it's taking profit out of the business. Which is if you if you say. I'm gonna be an llc. And i want to take profit out of business for ten or twenty years. You will significantly reduce the pool of investors who are willing to invest in. You and i'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing but just realize that there are far more investors. Who want you to exit right. I think i think fundamentally one of the things is like if if that's your goal if your goal is to keep it forever and then you know pull cash out and distribute cash over time than honestly like what you should be looking at is more likely things like revenue base financing the investors. Who are looking for more dependable. Cash flows are more likely to be putting their money into those kind of vehicles equity type. Investors typically are looking for higher potential upside than what comes from just profit distributions in the fact that with revenue base financing type things. It's a little bit more determined like how this has to work. And it's a bit more predictable. In terms of the cash flows of the investors can expect versus. Like if you're taking an equity investment and you're you're saying like oh i'm just gonna pull profit out distributed over time effectively. What you're saying to the investors. Trust me i'll do that. Don't worry i'll do it but like if you take more revenue base financing make. You're entering into a legal contract to do it so the incentives are slightly different there now. The problem of course is the stage. We invest like super super early the earlier stage. It's almost impossible to get revenue financing because your revenue revenues solo. Right and i think at this stage we invest which is early. A lot of hunters. Don't know they don't know if longer term they want to run it and profits off. They don't know if they get an offer for five or ten million. Would you see that number on a checker at an email. It changes your perspective. I tell you what you suddenly realize. Wait a minute so let me get this straight. I can pay my house off. I can fund all my kids college funds. And i could feasibly never have to work again or never have to work in anything. I don't want to get that changes your your whole outlook on life overnight and so or they may wanna go free event around later. And that's where i think. That's where t something like. Tennessee comes in. That's one of the reasons we started. Is we wanted folks that have that option right to be able to buy themselves some time to build the business to the point where it becomes. Maybe a little more obvious of where it should go. You know the the direction the founder wants to take it yup and different ways to like. We have founders. Who tell us that. Thank god ten million dollars. I'd sell it and then now they're like doing very well and they're like no way what i sell for two million bucks so it goes both ways. It's just nice to have that. Optionality i think like we do have founders. Who are like. This is a bigger opportunity. I just wanna go and raise the money and go to. The bench was like great do that. And that's that's the fun part. And that's what i like about it like you know anyone who's known me or or listened or read or just been involved in any of the continental putting out for fifteen sixteen years now knows that like bottom line mission for me is to help more founders. Succeed faster and get to having a sustainable business right of any kind and a sustainable business may mean hey they are able to sell it for for millions or tens of millions or enough money that maybe there are life changing money as five hundred grand because that changes our life in the short term. And then they're able to start another business but that's why i love. That's why i love doing this podcast. And that's why. I love being part of microsoft because that community is folks aren't help each other and that's why tiny seat is such a part of the mission and why it was so cool that you and i essentially agreed on that that this needs to exist in the world. You know. I mean in twenty eighteen as we were talking about this and figuring out your should we start tiny seat. Does it work. I knew there was desire on the founder because of all the people that i had invested in and was kind of like all right. I'm out of money in terms of you know writing more checks to startups. I need to keep my allocations between bitcoin and an ether public equities and all that reasonable. But what i didn't know is would investors in essence be willing to invest in this asset class. And that's been the other side of the marketplace came together pretty quickly which has been nice. We started seeing that from the on the by outside to with discretion capital. We started seeing the like five ten years ago ten years ago but even five years ago. Like if you had a two three million era our bbc ass business growing reasonably well but clearly not going to be the next airbnb. There wasn't a lot of interests and from on the buy side versus that has really changed changed on the buy side as well. So that makes it more feasible to basically get money from investors who come in at the early stage there are getting is just a see that it's like people are selling for four five six seven eight nine ten times. They are that two three million that becomes a viable viable thing to back at that point. That's what's good today as if you are building sass. It's so capital efficient it is can be extremely profitable. If you decide to keep it can be extremely lucrative if you decide to sell it and if you gain traction there is money out there you know whether it's not talked a lot about tiny seat here but we've talked about pipe dot com revenue base financing. And there's a whole word just typing rb effort revenue as financing into google. And you'll see twenty thirty players in there. There's a lot of options out there. And then there are a again other funds near their thinking about this stuff. And that's i just think we live at such an amazing time if you want to bootstrap awesome do that. you know. that's what i did with all all my saps but you know what dude like one of the reasons. I started tiny seat. Is i wanted this fun to exist for me. Because during the drip years we needed money and we were doing all types of crazy stuff to cut costs and it was super stressful. And i wanted to really quickly raise a couple. Hundred grand is what it would have been a big difference. But i just don't have the time to do it. And i don't know if i have the network. Which in retrospect probably did. I don't know there was all this indecision around it and i think almost de stigmatizing or perhaps normalizing just a bit more. I think is i think is helpful. You know in the space. I think just like i. Just want to back founders. I think more people should be doing their own thing wherever they're based in the world rather than you know feeling length gotta like the pinnacle is to go work for google something about i think that makes a lotta sense well sir. I think we've covered this pretty well. If folks want to keep up with you you are in our volt set on twitter. It's iae an ar v. o. l. l. s. e. t. And of course they can keep up with us. A tiny seat dot com if they wanna hear more about it or you blog prodigiously on your dot com. Don't you do you have one blog post in the past year. Put nervosa dot com. It's a table that shows irr versus multiple for the over mazing says the guy i'm not shaming you and i mean the last time i blocked it was probably two or three years ago so at least you put things out. I was thinking about this. I was like yeah. If you follow me on twitter you're mostly gonna see me complaining about the giants sprang. Like i said i'm not the marketing guys. I the things here. I'm more the background dude and you are headed to the uk. You're actually going to be in or around. London for wet two three weeks four weeks here soon or weeks will be there through the end of the summer and then come back for the kids school. Start here and then. I'm probably going to be in. And around europe in london for drought the fall really yep and so part of the reason. There is personal. Part of the reason is because we are raising european tiny seed fund and so if you're an investor whether you live in europe or whether you just want to have exposure to that centrally that asset of early stage be sas located somewhere in the eu europe. Area this reach out to you. They should go to tennessee. Dot com slash invest and. There's a few questions there and that things directly and you'll be able to meet in person because you're fully vaccinated at a super cool awesome. Thanks again for joining me. Thanks again for joining me this week. 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Mixtape Memories: Shiv

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Mixtape Memories: Shiv

"Losing their vote amount. Of Water election days. Biggest Gain here from deeper digs and rocker archaeology. Are you registered to vote? I know. I am. Headcount is a nonpartisan organization that works with the music and entertainment industry to get fans to vote. Top date or check your voter registration status, go to headcount dot org or you'll find all the information you need to be ready for election day. At Headcount Dot Org, you can also check your registration status because I don't know if you know this, but millions of people get purged from the voter rolls every year. Everyone should check their registration status every year. The deadline to register to vote in some states is as early as October fourth. So you want to check before that. You can also request an absentee ballot, get INFO on early voting finder polling place and see what's on your ballot. Headcount is a nonpartisan nonprofit that tours with musicians to help concert attendees registered to vote. But you don't need to leave your house to register to get voting impo just head to head Count Dot Org. And I'll see you at the polls. Ya. Bring. From new. Star. Are you registered to vote headcount is a non partisan organization that works with the music and entertainment industry to get pants Tivo to update, check your voter registration status go to headcount dot org. Where you'll find all the information you need to be ready for Election Day. Headcount tours with musicians to help concert attendees registered to vote but you don't need to leave your house to register or to get voting info. Register to vote by visiting Headcount Dot Org. Hello and welcome to another episode of Love Mixed. Memories. Today, we have a very special guest, his name Mismatch River Decker Aka Schiff to most people who are listening right now. Shiv. Is a film and music writer and notably was the former DJ at w x y where I listened pretty much religiously for years and years, and now he's based in Austin and we're so glad to have him. I missed you so much. It's awesome to be here. So happy to have you I remember we met so long ago when I was managing a band called dirty on purpose in the odds. Near. The music director walk see and it was like the the hot new radio station online radio at Wuxi Ninety seven X I felt like everybody was listening to it and you guys really like pioneered giving indie bands a chance when kind of Iraq was just becoming a little bit more mainstream Howard. Said Yeah I mean that moment in time was was pretty incredible I mean I bridged an interesting Time at the station 'cause I started listening as a teenager when it was an FM broadcast in southwestern Ohio. So I started listening when I was around thirteen and I at from that point on my whole goal was to work at the station and so as soon as I graduated college I started as a weekend warrior in doing like Saturday and Sunday shifts at the station and it you know it went fulltime maybe within six months or so of graduation someone actually left an I got hired so I worked the from Nineteen Ninety eight to two thousand four. In the FM years and of course, we weren't. We weren't very early Internet simulcast her back in those days. It was like a twenty four K. RealPlayer stream and shit like I. I still think back to I started on the overnights and would get messages from people in Australia Europe and stuff on the overnight shift they were listening on that horrible qualities extreme I remember the Webcam, it was kind of a spotty image of you guys just got refreshed like every thirty seconds or something wasn't a street wasn't a solid lives of the studio it was just images. Yeah. And so then you know obviously anyone who knows the the story like we went through several sets of owners after the FM, station. was sold in two thousand four. Lots of ups and downs, but from two, thousand, four to early, two, thousand, ten, we exit as an Internet station I continued on as music director and afternoon host and yeah, I mean those those. Moments, especially like around the time that I met Eugen and and Matt run as listener. It's like We we got really lucky having the programming sensibility that we had an just the way that that entire scene was blowing up especially out of New York. It's It just generated a lot of listeners from around the world. And you know unfortunately at the end of the day there. Were maybe a little too ahead of the curb in terms of being able to monetize that and I mean, let's face it it. What by the time we shut down, it was not that long after that when you know spotify in everything became so ubiquitous. So I mean I think the fact that we were not a non com like public radio type of station I. Don't know that it would have survived all of that in no matter what happens I mean. We. Maybe we would have lasted longer than we did have we not had the owners that we had at the end, but you know I think it's hard to say that we could have really outlived the spotify of the world because we were ultimately they the people behind the scenes were trying to make money off what we were doing and then. Indie? Rock. Not. The biggest source of income for anyway. As we all know. So what are you to do but I worked there you know full-time for twelve years on You know one of the best experiences of my life I always say you know. I already had my dream job. I was so fortunate to have my dream job straight out of school how many people get to do that so you know I'll always be thankful for the time I. I had there. was like your biggest like way to tap into that New York scene because you kind of mentioned a little bit about. I mean you know it was really interesting. Of course you know we had We have great. Contacts. NPR Reps and all those people who were always sending US music submissions. But I think that the thing that I really am still very proud of is just that when it came to music programming I mean it was Mike Taylor, our program director and myself and I mean, you know we we had others. Other staffers were certainly encouraged to listen to music and make recommendations of stuff. But I mean we didn't have anyone telling us what to do what to play. We had no mandate I mean we we were very lucky. No matter. Even he even though I have things to say about you know especially our last two sets of owners we never were controlled in any capacity by them. So the great thing. Was We could get at demo CD are in the mail from a band like raw raw riot when they were still all students at Syracuse University, listen to it completely unsolicited and without any knowledge of what it is press play on it fall in love with it ended up having the band in the studio multiple times, and you know creating a friendship stole with those with the band members over the years because that's just what we did. We supported the music that we personally loved and. You can't ask for more than others I could count on one hand, the stations that exist these days that are that are legitimately doing. What I always loved about your Jiang was that you would play something that was perhaps like the hot indie act and a, it wouldn't be the single it would be an album track, and then you'd kind of follow it up with with a pop song that somehow tied in with that, and then go into like Aretha Franklin, and you just unabashedly went in different directions than I. thought it was so great and it really told the story. Well thank you, I. Mean. That's that was really important to me. I mean the station always had a lot of indie spirit but during the FM years when I first started working at the station, it was still more controlled than I. Think a lot of people might realize like I got very lucky because I came on overnights at a time when they were kind of willing to experiment and they really gave me very free form. Control of the overnight shift when I started at the station. So I. Didn't I did have to play a from the rotation but almost everything else that I got to play on the overnight shift. I could choose whatever I want. As long as I knew, it didn't swear I play what I want him. I did get in trouble Kinda early on for playing, Robbie? Williams. Just. Like okay. Cut The? Shit. I'm not I was given a lot of free right and then when we went internet only I think we were a lot less afraid of. Having to be. Concerned about genre, right. So that is where I think that there were more things like you said in the Franklin or something like that. Where just like if it if it made sense in the context of the set you know we might throw it on there and I I think our listeners really appreciated that and I think that's A. You know that we took more from the public radio world at that point where it's like. Every song doesn't have to be researched and tested in a to put it on the air. We we programs are shifts from our heart you know. And I'm not GonNa say that I you know, of course, I played things at the station that I didn't personally like because I thought that it was important for us to play them. But you know on my on my own shifts, I had complete freedom and the Internet years to. Do I wanted and. Yeah I mean I I still miss that I. mean it was it was really incredible to be able to do that and get that instant feedback i. mean we just you got emails all day long from people who are listening and not just in the Cincinnati area where we work with people would email from all i. mean we we had a huge world map in the hallway that we put push pins on when we got emails from places. That's. You know That was just that was a really exciting aspect of it was knowing that there were people in Brazil as you may remember like we had some liners cut in in Brazilian Portuguese by the ban mosquitoes when they came in to perform because we have so many listeners in Brazil and. It just got those were those were some really incredible years but that's like what I think maybe the. People. Aren't getting her a spotify necessarily is like this curation of love percent playlists are not giving that to you not like music that you could discover. You know can kind of the joy of oxy and they can be there can be good place and and people behind the scenes who are creating great playlist but it's not the same thing and then again I mean I'm I'm sure there. Are. People who really didn't like how ECLECTIC in weird we were that. One complaint that we heard often was you guys don't play these songs enough for me to get familiar with them. I mean we went to deep on record because I think that typically we did look at it as being more artists based on album based in single base, and if there was only one good song to play. All maybe that wasn't something we were going to spend a whole lot of time on. That that was a big difference between the FM years, the Internet years I mean the the FM years the station was probably went deeper on records than most quote unquote alternative stations but it was still pretty singles oriented know throughout the years and when we broke up a bit. I would say when we streaming. I wanted to ask about some of the sessions because I remember there were so many great sessions over the years and I was wondering if you had any favorites that come to mind I mean I know I do but I was wondering if you do I mean honestly so many I mean. That's another thing when I started working at the station in the FM years on I was on the nights. We did occasionally have artists who came in and played acoustic, but the studio was very small and the station was actually also kind of like forty five minutes away from downtown Cincinnati so. The PR people on the artist's really WANNA do those appearances to to come up there. I would miss a lot of them. I mean very famously probably when I first started working at the station Rufus wainwright came up on his first album and I-. He signed my cd but I I was asleep. You know I wasn't there. So then when we started doing the lounge ax series. For the DOT COM era it was really exciting to be able I've course over the years I had listened to morning becomes eclectic sessions, kcrw, and things K. X. P. although stations that were doing these live in studio performances, and we moved into a studio in downtown Cincinnati that had been a recording studio. So we didn't have to do much, it was very plug and play for us to be able to utilize that space to do live performances and it was big enough to do. So I have a lot of favorites I can tell you that very early on one of the most incredible sessions was phoenix. I remember that one that was a session and went on really really late because they showed up with with all their gear to play like Madison Square Garden and we were unprepared like we have not done a session of that magnitude at that point and they were so professional and so ready to like. Do. A full full show. In it and it took a long time to get that setup and then be ready to go live But we we got that session they weren't playing can play in Cincinnati our friend the day. Lombardi. Who worked at asteroids at the time you know he made that session happen because he thought it was important. We had been such big supporters of the bands on for like even on the first record, but then it that was when they toured for alphabetical and man that that session still I. Listen back to that and it you know it could be released. You know as a as a commercial it's an incredible performance It of course, there's just so many i. mean you know as I mentioned like Ra Ra riot I fell in love with. So early on and they played at the station multiple times in a groups like the national and sober pickups who we were. So early on in our support and and then one of my all time I that I ever hosted was the kills during South by South West like they. I was really intimidated to do that session an to interview them, and they were just the nicest people and I had I just I was on cloud nine after that for a long time. But I'm GONNA also pinpoint. I wasn't the hugest fan to be perfectly honest but my brightest diamond when she came in and she did a cover, Prince's the beautiful ones that still gives me goose bumps when I listened to that. And of course, one of one of the very last sessions I did during South by twenty ten was with Sharon Jones and the DOT kings and I, it was an incredible session she was. She was a really good interview. I mean I also pretty nervous about that one they they performed at nine in the morning. On a Saturday during south by and they showed up and we're just SORTA like I. Think at first they just were not sure you know what you know. I don't think they really knew US necessarily and it was like something that the handlers had talked to them for. The man they were incredible. She was so warm and so so sweep and I mean. If that's how I got to go out was to do you know have have her being one of my final sessions at the station? I was pretty pretty. Fortunate. I needed to get you to make me like a mix tape. Your favorites. I have a ton of it well, the. Full recordings like not necessarily all the songs broken out into files. But I do I do pretty much have the Lounge Act archives and I'm going to send you a link that you can include with this because until the end of the year when flashes completely discontinued you can still I don't even understand how this works you guys. But if you go to the Internet archive way back machine, you can still stream. All the Lounge Act archives on the our like it was it was archives on the way back machine now how that shit still works. On cyber ruling understand. But I can tell you, it's there but several of them like there's things you can still download from it but there's a lot of things that were only stream -able and the in that it's like a flash player thing. So it's it's not gonNA work much longer although I can also tell you that Brian. Needs to was our recording engineer and did all the lounge accessions pretty much for S. he started a youtube channel and has been putting up some like I. Mean it's GonNa be a long process I'm sure I. Mean we did hundreds and hundreds of sessions, some of which you know are probably. Not not to denigrate anyone better probably, not really important enough to re post but there's some really incredible sessions and I think over time hell work to get those. Get those mile. Planned to send us that like. Yes. I was hoping you can go back to you know before you're at the station, just kind of as a kid as a teenager kind of consuming music and what that experience was like and what kind of record stores you went to and and your actual mixed memories. So I mean. I grew up very Worl- Ohio. I. Grew up almost on the Indiana border between Dayton and Cincinnati Ohio you would not call where I grew up a city or Attallah I lovingly refer to it as a hamlets. I think technically was village. Very. Low population. So I had to travel at least thirty to forty five minutes to even get to a record store from where I grew up which means that you know as a kid, it was trips to the mall and going to camelot music national record mar tape old. there were no indy independent stores within my grasp at that age. But I did I list I collected music from an early age I got my first turntable, a stereo setup when I on my third birthday well On my third birthday, I got a record player and not like a Fisher price record player. I mean certainly not like the fanciest stereo but I, had a pretty cool turntable and I. Honestly it may have had an eight track in it but I think it was a cassette player. I got that my third birthday with a copy of the grease soundtrack and fleetwood MAC's rumors. Classics so just to and I still have that copy of Greece fleetwood MAC got. So worn out over the years it's been replaced many times that I still have the just like shredded grease soundtrack as a little memorabilia, but I can tell you that on my own the first I ever box at the camelot music at the Salem Mall and. How Michael Jackson's thriller and Bryan Adams Reckless I had to save my money up to be able to buy two records and it was really hard but that's what I did. How we're there whether instore performances at any of these places are not really. If there were that was not something that I was privy to met in my young age I mean I I know that when by the time I was in high school, I definitely remember list like listening to Wasi and hearing ads on the radio for some of the stores in Cincinnati that might have signings or performances but that was that was an hour and a half almost away from me really. So I didn't get to do shit like that I was definitely a complete and utter popovich until. Around the age of Thirteen I. went to a summer camp and some of the kids live in Cincinnati and they're like Oh man, you should. You need to check this 'cause I I fell while like. My roommate had. The he brought all these crazy cassettes with him and I mean like I was literally that summer was turned onto the violence stems and skinny puppy and the weird like the weirdest shit I had never heard of before in my whole life and he was like Oh yeah they play all this music on wwl. and. So. Like when I got home from that summer camp, I made my dad hook our external television antenna like outside the House I made him split that in inside the living room so that it could run to the TV but also to the Stereo. And once he ran the outdoor wire Framingham Tina to the Stereo Ninety, seven x came in crystal clear. And I just I just taped the spilled cassette after after sat with it because I couldn't necessarily get it on my radio and other rooms of the house very well, it was super staticky but that began my love affair with 'em being exposed to all this music that I never ever could have heard about at that point. I didn't have cable where I grew up like we were. We were in the country. So ninety seven x was my awakening. There's just no my life wouldn't would never have been the same without it. Wow. No MTV like I was GONNA say. I maybe child well, and so little I would go to my uncle todd's. Spend the night and just and I would take blank VHS tapes and I would record MTV all night long because they played the most videos from like midnight to six am I would just do that every time I went to his house too. so that I could watch videos I, have no access in my little. podunk. Village. I didn't realize you grew up in such a rural area actually I graduated with like less than less than seventy people for my highschool. I. Well, Yeah Really Smiley. Really. Small But I I. Definitely did get really into mix tapes especially in in high school I actually went digging a little bit today and I i. Mean I am so disorganized he. Here I mean, my records are really organized but like I was hoping I might be able to find for you and maybe someday I will but it's not going to be now. I have at least one notebook that I saves. That I used to write. All may track listings in so that I wouldn't repeat myself because I mean it was definitely a thing. You know certainly, as I went into college, the college radio station, my friends just new. They liked my taste but they didn't really know a lot about the music and so people were always asking me to make them tapes of stuff and so I got really into that for a long time and I am certainly I mean good Lord I would be. Really embarrassed I would say especially for a couple I mean like I was not subtle. With guys that I was like in love with who were not in who were just like. Straight dudes that I worked with or whatever I I mean I know Matt will appreciate that I'm pretty sure that the smiths I keep mine hidden on like so many fucking tapes, which might I might as well just said, hi. That should have just been like the spine. Tape but that's what I did. So I and And every now, and again, I have had friends over the last couple of years who have sent me pictures and been like. This tape you made me and nineteen, ninety nine or whatever, and it just it always cracks me up. I was GonNa ask when you started your vinyl collection, but you answer that already three years. Three I mean you know here's my biggest regret, but it's also it's just one of those things. Right? I mean when I started when I graduated college and I started working at ninety seven x, it was certainly not for the money. This was a small independently owned radio station AM and I. Didn't make shit there. So I survived and you know sorry music industry but I'm the least of your problems now is survived by selling off. Shut that I didn't need or watch, and so there was certainly a moment in time and I I mean I collected records. All through college and then like Kinda, hit this wall where I was like. Really need to keep that record if I have the CD and I mean I I sold off stuff to make money at different times when I needed it and like now, when I kick myself knowing some of the things that I got rid of and there were so much money now and not not that I would even sell them now but just that I like I certainly can't replace them. But you know this is the this is the life. I've probably moved to Austin with just a couple hundred records in two, thousand nine, and we have well over four thousand in the apartment now. Mike is. Do you have like a whole room that cater to it. Well, there's I mean we're in a two bedroom apartment and like the records are the entire. Living Room and we're normal. We're normal people would have a dining room is where we have most of our records in the turntables, and then this guest room that I'm in has doubling as my current home. Office for work There's there's Another like half of them, all the twelve inches and seven inches are in this room but in a lot of the box sets pretty much but the the the core record collection is in the living room and. Technically dining room that is not a diner. Yeah. You've been putting those records to work during quarantine. We. Have An I. Love that you guys are both joined us at different times I mean. It kind of came out of boredom but we had tried to do some DJ streams in like earlier years but but we were doing them on facebook and then they just kept getting shut down for Poppy Ryan shed and it was a pain in the ass, and so we just stopped doing it and then you know we started seeing quest love and all these people dj on twitch and Ben was like I have a twitter account I never use. Then we just started doing it every Thursday night and I know like we're at this weird precipice right now of twitch like they've they changed their terms of service to technically not allow music streaming, but they're not really shutting down yet. I think it's going to come and we're going to have to find someplace else to do it but I I, mean, I don't give a fuck like we'll. We'll do it wherever we have to I mean. It's it's it's like the highlight of our week to just hang out and chat with our friends and just have fun and play place up that we love and be silly and get drunken like it's so much fun and yeah, we were giving the collection a real workout by. Diving into it for three or four hours every Thursday night. Fiance. wintel ache that's. Awesome blogging is his twitter channel I mean, and I'm very, very lucky that. Been Not only. Like has the I mean we're just very similar. In so many ways and I think that he I mean it's not like I. Have to talk him into doing this like he he really really loves doing it too. I think we have so much fun together with it that it's just one more I mean to me is just one more sign of Y. You know we we are supposed to be together and that we have been together for ten years at this point because. He's a really good match for me in many many ways but for with with our. For Music you know a thousand percent maybe that's the real reason you went to Austin. Well Hey. I say that all the time I was. I was so angry. When Waxy, shutdown. I felt that we had been treated so shitty. and. There's all kinds of notes. No. I don't even need to get into a bed I mean all you really need to know is that we hosted like thirty six bands that week of south by twenty ten, and then we came back to the office the Monday after we have one day off after doing thirty six bands and then they told us over speakerphone. That they couldn't afford to run US anymore and would be willing to work for free for a while while they figured it all out. And we all were like. Now we've been down this road before even down. and. We that was it with there. was there was no big final Hurrah at the end because we all had been down that road before and we were just like, Nah like we're not we're not gonNA see how this plays out like y'all are y'all dumb. And so that was it. And I and I was really really pissed off about it for months and still get get a lower about if I think about it too much. But all of that say. That I moved to Austin completely free. For fucking thing because they actually handled all of it and I because I was single I got to just move all my stuff on the moving truck that house all of the station librarian equipment and everything. So I, I moved to the city for free, which I never could have done or what have probably pulled the trigger on on my own. and. I love all my friends and family who are back in Ohio. But like this is the place where I do feel like I needed to be and want to be, and so you know it's like at the end of the day I feel like I can't be I can't harbor that resentments. Over something that really I mean it changed my life in some ways negatively. But in other ways, I met the love of my life and I've and I literally fell in love with the city that had so much to offer me. A lot more than I had found. In the Mid West. So you know it's just. How can I be? How can I be map? Even. Though I'm even a little bit. Of course understandably. And we can sense it in your voice and it makes sense. I was going to say that when I watch you DJ with Ben and you guys go back and forth with kind of one selection, the next election and sometimes just one person has one hour, and then the other person is the other our. Everything compliments itself so well and. I don't think you can kind of force that you either have the chemistry I mean romantic situation. But also in this situation as it relates to music I feel like it's a good pairing. He keeps me on my toes. I mean he you know I am starting slowly starting to turn him. So that older person who does listen to as much music as they used to, and but everything that I fall in love with that's new is almost exclusively stuff that he's just like Oh man you gotta listen this and are things that just falls in love with and buys and starts playing. Excuse me and then I just like. Yeah. He continually still after all this time, we'll like impress me with the things that he picks out and plays enemy. He he also he comes from a college radio background like he has that in him sue and and I don't know I didn't think to ask him about his experience with like mix tapes and things I don't know if that was as big of a part of his life as it was mind but like. You Know He. He also has an absurdly encyclopedic knowledge of. Music and all different types of genres we both like so many different types of things. So yeah, it makes a DJ nights really really fun totally. I was hoping we could maybe briefly discussed your film writing in addition to being a music buff your huge film buff. When did when did you start writing and? How did that kind of develop? Well, again, I mean talk about just how everything kind of have the lineup the way that it did I mean, I always loved movies on I worked at a video store for ten years part time while I even as I worked at Wuxi in the early days because again made no money, I really made no money working two jobs but that's just you know i. but I was delved in I was had had everything that I loved between the two jobs. So I always had that passion and I took just took. It took as many film classes I could take in college without it without it being like my major. But, but radio always superseded that so. When When we got to walk see the one new person that they had hired on the ground here was a woman named page Maguire who I love so much and at the time page was the editor of Austin Est.. Which of course no longer exists either 'cause you. She was the editor of Austin us at the time and Wasi shutdown and she was just like if you need an outlet, you know for just for your creativity or whatever. Like it's just like it would be easy for you to do some film reviews for us on stuff. And I was like, yeah, that would be that would be so great. So I mean I really didn't start that until the spring of two, thousand, ten after Wuxi shutdown. I started just doing a weekly column for Austin I helped cover south by film and fantastic fast and cliff are gay and lesbian. Film Festival and stuff like that for Awesomeness for Awhile and then Austin is shutdown and then I wrote for a local website called slacker would which also securely shut. I mean I feel like a house like the reverse MIDAS touch. What are you GONNA do? I I picked up some reviews at pace magazine and different things and win sacrilege shutdown. So of the arts. Writers and editors for the Austin American statesman here in town had reached out to me and we're just like, Hey, you know maybe you'd like to like I just I, kind of just started doing random freelance stuff for them which turned into a weekly column that I've been doing for. Five and a half years now. So. I'm in the print paper and awesome sixty website every Wednesday and I just I do a weekly column about what's new on Vod and streaming services and that has you know That's been something. I just I watch movies all the time. So it's pretty easy. I felt like half of my life has been spent just making recommendations do people not what I think they should watch. So me getting paid to do that. Every week is also Pretty cool and so like that's all I do I mean I. Love Movies so much but I. I did it really WANNA go down that trail after everything I went through with the radio station it's like trying to survive as a freelance writer. Is. Not. The easiest Pash and I was like. I'm over here I actually, I have a very reliable full-time gig producing online education. So the film writing has just allowed me stay on task have creative outlet and really just tell people what I think that they should watch. which. I was already doing for free though that's that's actually pretty cool and I'm I'm also critics association in also in the National Grid? Pub galactico which is the gay and Lesbian Entertainment Critics Association so that you know I get to vote in a work season stuff which is like if you would've told if you would've told me. Growing up in Lewisburg fucking Ohio that one day I was Gonna get like screeners for like you know Oscar season give me a break. I mean. I, don't vote in the Oscars but vote it might in my group. Credit. Group awards each year. So that's I. Mean. It's just sort of icing on the cake everything just that I've kind of finagled away to to keep. That that passion going you know Ben Works on music. Festival so I still have that live music connection and you know under normal non-co vibe circumstances. You know go to a ton. Of shows and events and everything, or we are so lucky to get to attend a lot of the Austin city limits tapings for P. B. S., and. I mean again, if you told me growing up watching that show every week that I would one day just get to be in the audience for. Lots of tapings as some of my very favorite artists you know. And sidebar. Of, all of those. My favorite ACL TV experience was Paul Thomas Anderson sitting next to me during the radiohead? Taping. I got I I was I. I really debated about whether I was GONNA say anything to him, and then at the very end of it after as everyone was getting up to leave I, just sort of looked at him and I presented my hands to him and I was just like. I. Said Restrain Anderson I don't remember thirty but I was just like I. Just really wanted to say that I'm a big fan and I was like I'm so excited for the master that was the it was like shirt was finished but he wasn't released yet and I think that he was really taken aback that anyone like recognized him and I gotta be honest there was like a split second thing I was just like is the share this him but you know he was there because of Johnny. Jonny Greenwood Yeah this just I've just fallen in to the most amazing circumstances in experiences since living here and. I'm thankful everyday for it. That's awesome. Was it weird like? I know you usually go to south by South West to cover like the films. Core the newspaper. Yeah we're not having that experience because of pandemic. All it was not only was it weird but it is. I. Mean I have to I have to imagine that a lot of things are going to get up dead inner through all of this but technically. In order to stay current at least in the awesome fun credits association I have to have a certain number of reviews a year. And I'm not a fulltime critic and my weekly column does. Not Count towards the requirements because I'm doing capsule reviews of multiple movies and it doesn't meet like. I don't have like the word count of every review. I normally stay. Afloat S- in in that critics association as specifically because of all of my festival coverage each year I you know I'll I'll end up doing thirty forty reviews a year just from covering the south by fantastic fest laugh. Sometimes Awesome Foam Festival. We covered some of the streaming titles south by the partnership of Amazon prime this year and did some streaming. But yeah, I'm not GonNa meet my normal review count a this year because of what's going on and I mean and I I assume a lot of people won't because unless they've pivoted to just reviewing vod titles and stuff like what are you? What are you covering I mean Really. Right. Now, there's not a lot of great stuff even even the things that are being released digitally like earn it's Kinda Slim pickens. So. Yeah. I really really miss the south. Experience And and I hope. It's able to come back next spring, but I mean at this at this point. I think life just has a giant question mark. He's Just heartening. Yeah. We're all in this boat together. Yeah for sure. Shall We pop into repeat skip? The first pick I'm so excited because it's one of my favorite albums ever it is PJ Harvey's two thousand release stories from the city's stories from the sea. Yeah. WHO WANTS TO START? Shift. I'll start yet because we picked the albums because I posted the ninety seven best of two thousand, which was our annual countdown at the radio station, and we put that together it at that point, it was strictly based on place so they would go through and tally up how many spins all the different songs off the different albums have through the course of the year and we did account out. And so yes, stories from the city stories from the sea is definitely one of my favorite albums of that year. It was like twenty six on our countdown or something. But that's still how many fucking stations in the United States played PJ Harvey on. And we did a lot. And this I'm so excited I mean it hasn't been officially announced with a release date yet, but she's releasing her entire catalog on vinyl and I. Think this one's probably going to come in October or November I saw that too and was so excited I've been waiting because I feel like you probably know better than me but with each re-release isn't there some sort of like you know there's a certain amount of like limited. Certainly. So what is it exactly because I always miss it well so well, I haven't gotten any of the like I haven't gotten any of the sign ones off her website, the signed ones. Yeah. But each so far with each released, she has done a companion demos album as well. It's a little weird that they're not just doing them like a deluxe, but maybe she's doing it just in case earn people who stole actually have the og copies that they don't have to buy a more expensive double lp just to get the demos if they want them, I don't know I've been buying. I've been buying both for each of them and I will continue to do. So mom begat this record I mean. Wow it just I mean I think the crazy thing is. Like this this album is such love song to New York City and. You know I've been coming in before. Nine eleven. Lake I mean obviously predating by ear, but like it just this entire. This record is just filled with a passion for New York and I I love it I. Love it so much. It's. It's above all of her albums. It's my start to finish favorite and I I can't say givens about what's like your favorite. Song from it. The last song we floats has always been I mean the Horace Hustle in the hustlers horrors right right next to about leaf float is Is Gorgeous. It's kind of haunting. I I love the way she sings on that track and it just I. That was one. I mean obviously never a single. One of those tracks that I would play on my overnight shift because I could play whatever I want and I played we float a lot on the overnight. We're hard for that record I mean, it was in regular rotation with the singles, but then I played pretty much all the other songs to listening back to album prepping for this episode I. Fan like a new. More or more of an appreciation for PJ Harvey. Then I did back when when it came out I, don't know what it what I know. I didn't go get into her as hard as like some people did. But when I look back on this album I just was like blown away I just think it's like. It's so hard to like pick a a check fat I would skip. I- like really loved horses in my dreams actually have walked around. New. York listening to that. Because it was on on some soundtracks of a group that I used to dance group that I used to work with. They had the song in one of their numbers and. It's just so beautiful. Dreamy and like there's just such a delicate to it so that song I think like just stood out to me I. Think. What you're talking about is something that's really interesting about this record because. A lot of her work before this album. Is Decently costs. At times I mean like I I don't think that she. in most cases like was trying to make a very like accessible album and I'm not saying I don't even think that that is what she was trying to do here. But I think that this album is more cohesive and accessible. I mean like if you're someone who's like, where should I start with PJ harvey like I would I would tell them to listen to this record because I think a lot of other albums have songs that could pull in your average listener but that this record is is a way easier and I. Think this is a good entry point into her songwriting, but that isn't too difficult. Agree I mean and that maybe that's dismissive by like I just. Because I love every aspect of her even the weirdest. Shit. Yeah. I'M GONNA, buy the dance point at Laos Hall reissue too. But like you know I I'd rather listen to this record. Really. Loved her vocals on this album so much and like. You know without reading too many comparisons I. was like thinking, oh, she sounds like Patti Smith and then I was trying to figure out like that who that other voices that could be mixed in there and it was definitely like a susie sue by and. She just. She just really. Created like an awesome album on here. And it was kind of interesting that she had several Communist. Kind of collaborations on the job until. I love their voices to get so and I don't think that like if I was just going by like down by the water something from her previous album like I don't think that like. I would have liked necessarily put them. Like. Musically. Sure. Sure. Yeah, I mean that actually used to be my favorite track the Mestre in. Over the years. It's changed I think like this is one of those albums that it probably every time I listened to it, I have a different favorite. I think for me. What's so incredible about this album is that I? Feel like there are highs and lows in not in terms of the quality of the album. But in terms of the mood of the album, like there's love, there's loss there's there's confusion there's. A sense of trying to figure it all out and I think I just love the journey that she kind of takes you on. And I don't know the songstress have always really touched me and definitely more. So this album than anything she's put out since or prior to it for me you know picking a favorite today. It would probably be between big exit and the horse hostile and the hustlers whore. I just love boat this track so much in fact, the only one today that. Doesn't move me as much as it did twenty years ago is kamikaze, which is kind of funny because at the time I would play that song always on my College Radio Station College Radio Show and like that one I don't know that one I feel like. It maybe the most necessary one for me right now. I, I wrote kamikaze down. As my scope it's funny. You Birth Love Horse has law and the hustlers Harvard that picked out. I understand I understand your reasoning but there's something about the vibe that song. Really Get I. Don't think she is anti hard. Yeah. And I'm not either. I. Just. An excuse of like it was so hard. That one. Yeah I also think that like. For me listening to this album now in New York that has changed because of the pandemic and kind of this, I don't know loneliness and kind of. Mystery that we're all feeling I feel like there's some parallels to this album in a weird way kind of almost like a post nine eleven New York even though this, like you said, this was really just before that. I don't know I feel like it is. Like eerily relevant now. Yeah. I love it. Yeah, and the second album we're going to touch upon is Travis's breakthrough album the man who from one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, you know they did come out in late ninety nine but I almost think I, don't remember I didn't look this up so I. The US release was staggered for sure after the UK released and I can it came up in our discussion here because it was our number one most played album of the year of two thousand at seven acts like I. I know that the listeners of the podcast aren't going to see this but I still pull it out for you guys. Oh and it's backwards but. That's my signed. The man who on vinyl I have a have a ridiculous amount of autographed Travis. Shit because we were so supportive of this album and they'd played Cincinnati believe it or not like a couple of times. I feel like they open for someone and they did their own tour and they we did like meet and greets with them and stuff for our listeners because we just I mean, we had to be one of the. Stations in the country that played them the most so that so epic was really good to us about that. So I got to meet them several times. I have also probably as a silly amount of photographs with them that I will always hold very dear because I was very much in love with franny and that's same. And? Donkey was probably the better looking one. But. We're pretty cute. I will. This is how big a nerd I was I corner Dougie at an after show just to tell him how much I loved one of because he he didn't get a lot of songwriting credits I don't think on the records, but they eat. So he he one of the besides that he wrote for this album that of course, like how the fuck noodles in the United States you know I was just like a high really you know only the. Now, I can't even remember I think it's called only the faces change might be only the places changed anyway. I was just like that's really my one of my favorite songs from this whole album cycle dougie and he like. He blushed him give me a big hug and just like I don't think he was just like couldn't believe that someone actually knew that song here in America. And I was like I was definitely that was the time of my life where I got a lot of Free Shit working at the station of course but I imported stuff constantly from England I mean I I got every import single I spent so much money on those just cer- now worth like well. I had I had all the B sides and remixes and in a you name it I just and Travis, was a band that I like pretty obsessively collected. So between the things I could get a hold up from the record label and then the shit that I would order from like piccadilly records in England and Norman records I used to order stuff. Win-, beware and if like. Do brought back CDs like like a fine. weirdly think it's possible. Just in the I mean look if there could be a cassette resilience now you never know. You never know I still. I got rid of so much stock especially when waxy was when foxy ended I mean I sold a lot of stuff just to get I was just like I don't need out when I started getting like all the way back into buying all I was like I don't need all these CDs. Thousands of CD. But I still have. I probably have five hundred CDs still underneath our bed and in these big rubbermaid containers, it's like anything that I have. Or? The import stuff. I. Couldn't bring myself to get rid of. The people that I have collected so much like bjork and Robbie Williams and. sugar bands I. Just I hung onto a lot of that stuff Yeah. I still have like maybe a couple hundred CD's that I don't know what I'm GonNa do with, but they're just under my desk. They're pretty they're pretty worthless and yet every now and again there's something that disappears from streaming. You was like you can't count on that shit to always be there now. Yeah. Now it's weird to I mean I I have stopped ripping every. You know I mean for a long time I was like obsessed with trying to rip everything in it just like whatever if I can't find it on. spotify Youtube or whatever. Like do I do I even need to hear it not Always, the case always the case. Going back to Chavis like. Favorite song from this album. I, really really love this record but for me, it's like the opener writing to reach you turn and driftwood are. Like my my very. I like this album is actually better than I. Remember it being I think I was confusing them with light coldplay yellow. Something like that. Well. It's something to be said for like the man who versus parachutes because they both were kind of around the same time. Yeah. And obviously coldplay have way. Transfer. Very successful in the UK and it had a Smidge of success here. But you know coldplay far away became the band's and You know here in America I suspect that most people. Have never heard of Travis despite a pretty incredible body of work. It's. but the this album is this album is really special to me. and. Obviously. The hit single from it was why does it always rain on me I know that actually I. Definitely connected with that Song because I think that's a sentiment that anyone can connect with. It probably showed up on mix CDs I made or playlist or something maybe I dj. is a really gifted songwriter. He told me like his his lyrics are very I. Don't know how to say that without being I mean can I think it's I think almost anything sounds like a cut down like it's they're very relatable. I think that there It's not like he's some master of wordplay, but I just really really genuine and heartfelt lyrics and somehow they're the arrangements in everything that you know that they did as a band just like I mean made those songs I mean especially at that point in my life. I, just I connected so hard and I wanted I, saw them live over and over and over again and it was just always such A. I mean I I have really really fond memories of of. Being in love with them. Yeah. I. Mean I, agree with you like that the opening track writing reach you I think now is just like. such a great track to with it just draws you in and then you know the rest of the albums pretty good too. But I think yeah writing to reach. You was my like repeat on this album Matt g what what was your repeat this? So this was an album that I was also obsessed with there was a period of time between. The release of this album and the invisible band, and then whatever followed that which I don't recall the top of my head like I was hardcore into Travis I remember they did. A Virgin Megastore. Square. Performance and signing and I geeked out when I met them. I didn't get a photo with them stupidly but I wish I did there's the span of time where I would try and do like imitate France Faux Hawk but it didn't really work because they have. FRIZZY Jewish hair and it just looks like it doesn't look nearly as good. And Yeah but I mean I was I was a huge Travis Fan. I remember. It like right around this time I. Feel like one of the b-sides are one of the live tracks was like a didn't cover baby one more it was a It's a cousteau. From Okay H.. One storytellers in Ura. On the single yeah and then. Yeah, I remember hearing it. Played it. A bunch because they came through a lot as well when I went to school. So I saw at nine thirty club bunch for me a I think if I were forced to pick a repeat, I would probably pick driftwood and just think that's such a classic single. In fact, the only one on this album that I really don't ever care to hear again is love to me that song is super cheesy and. A giggle actually. Love and she so strange there towards the end I I rarely would listen all the way to that. But I would skip on the CD. Rude to the hidden blue flashing light that was. A blue flashing light yeah yeah. They always play that. I feel like disagreeing with you guys on my skips. I. I noticed. Wasn't I thought that was a bit forest and For them to I thought maybe a little bit forest but. Yeah But. Yeah. The Harmonica in love. Me To. The. Harmonica in love with like just killing me it was like. Kenny G. or something. That big CORUS. And the kicker is as with all of these British bands at that time there are so many besides that. Honestly. You know arguably could have been better album tracks but. Can't can't rewrite history. Yeah, it was all about besides. You. Know another band I was very into during this time that was also a of the same cloth is starsailor. I'm super embarrassed. So I know I love starsailor flew to La because my dear, friends who worked at Capitol records at that time and who was there promoting who promoted them to the station on he turned thirty and invited me to come out there for his party. We all went to go see starsailor and the charlatans play a show. That's also how I saw tour. That's that's a show where he jorn Salmi inbetween sets from the fucking balcony and screens my name and have turn around and. Is, my is my man as starsailor came to Steve Party after the show, and like I bowl we in a bowling alley I bowled. I have the weirdest fucking experiences for my. For my days Yadda position you know. Lots, of Great Memories. ironist I ever bowled with Montell Jordan I feel like I feel like you just one quite frankly. That's a winner. For. Like like you know he had an album coming out, but then it got show. Maybe the fact that they were doing bowling party for it is. Back in the days when There'd be like these marketing chips for bloggers or online you know journalist and so as part of the online thing because I worked at a teen website mazing, actually mantell Jordan was. Part of the day after Smith's interview him and I got sick and somebody else had to do the interview for me and. I think my editor like gave him my phone number with my home phone. because. Like I've been bad. I was like you know trying to sleep at like the answering machine goes on and like he's like leaving me the. voicemail. I heard you Zach. Just like what the Heck She's played this for me. It's an incredible. Digital recording of it. Actually. It was on. Cape or something I. Don't know I played at. That's amazing. I'm GonNa tell my just like one dumb voicemail story, which is and this is this is like a bunch of weird humble rags at once but I went to New York in for Halloween two thousand I want to say and I got to stay in the Tommy boy records wasn't a penthouse per se but I mean it was like it was a apartments that they kept for their artists down the street from the offices and I was very good friends with Liz the notorious allies e, who was a radio promotions person at the time and she was like no one staying there you can come in Krasnodar. When I get there the there was an old school answering machine and the messages were offered last. On, thank God. Like he had been a I guess the last person. That's awesome. And we were just like we hit played on the back of I was like most of course. I love that own. So many weird because back in the day, that's what you did. You did like phone interviews so you have like. Tatum stuff and yeah, I, have I tried one time calling. I was kings of Leon. and. The first time I tried them nobody answered I got their answering machine and it was like the funniest by answering machine. It's like you've reached the kings. We're not home right now that kind of thing and I was like I just want to call back so I can record it. Come back and I. It's like, that's funny. Gosh. Talk about the kind of artists though that we played. At oxy before they were have anything I mean. Let's. Let's face it. They're a testament to actual anr because no one in America gave fuck for like their first records, and then like something's finally snapped a became so huge. But also where are they now question definitely where the hell are they now they were never my thing. But yeah, you're right about how it kind of happened. I love to those early days. I mean I remember again, our frequency was ninety seven point seven and we do low shows for ninety seven cents and we. Kings of Leon played in like two hundred, fifty capacity bar for us for ninety seven cents when that first EPA came al and. I hung out with them for that day and was just like man these guys are going to be big and then. Then, they work for a while You know they they had all that success overseas. It wasn't translating here in America, but somehow someone at are really hung by them and like kept kept going and then they finally became they became huge shirt like Jesus by sex on fire like I don't ever want. But I have a fondness for the earlier something. When I was in college, I was in the DC area and it was ninety nine HFS whatever the call letters were course wwl. They had a ninety nine cent show same kind of thing at nine thirty club Yup. Everyone. Did it but the act that I saw is so embarrassing. Evanescence. Own Now I'm sorry. It was cringing. You know again, I wasn't music director yet but that was nine seven x and the F. Amir's. Played Evanescence wave before it became successful but like. We we loved Fema Artists on the air. We always maybe Martin. So that wasn't a big stretch for as even though it was a little more agro than we normally play but like it went on the air and you know it did pretty well like with requests and everything, but then at a certain point like. You know we're a little snobby I. Suppose I mean there were definitely things they got played at the station well, before hit like total mainstream. Insanity, and then we would slowly policy of studio and never played a John. Maher is another great example I mean I remember when I first I working at the station and playing songs from room for squares when it was still like unaware records thing like really before it was upstream to Columbia and then like at a by the time it became like vh one bill like we were dislike. Those are things that didn't make the transition to the Internet Broadcast Zach. Yeah. Thanks so much for coming on this episode. It was so awesome. See you and hear you can hear all the stories. Thank you for having me. I really enjoyed fun. And we will catch you next time for another episode of Mix camrys listening by.

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I can't hear you how nick myself with this. CON- founded Razer. I forgot to bring a new blade with me when they came over to mothers last night badly to an architect has a good time with his Out Now what's happened just nick myself again with this confounded raising all not used to talking while I shave. I talked to alert until you started now. But you were singing much different I don't know what I'm so happy about it's contagious. You caught it from me. I'd just uncaught it. I just remembered that we have to have dinner with your aunt Louisa tonight. Well we have to eat somewhere as well bid at in the wheezes on the theory. That if you're going to be shot you might as well be hung. We wouldn't be saddled enough to eat at home anyway. We can leave early. Take more time for two people to get up in the morning. Then for one nationally it takes twice as long David Top. If you kiss me it'll take twice as long again. Oh l. dot and you smell pretty nice way for a man the smell. I love the way men smell of shaving soap or have you had a lot of experience. Oh dear and I tried ride so hard to keep my past the secrets David. I never dreamed an architect did more than just draw pictures on paper. Never Dreaming Architect attack doesn't do what doesn't do more than just draw pretty pictures on pieces of colored paper. Oh where's my tie. Okay it is. That's only the beginning. He supervises the construction schedules. The work gets the Mason finished before the carbon start. And the carpenters out before the plumbers. And the plumbers out before the electric electric lines out before the painters and architects work is never done case. A woman should be very useful to an architect very useful to this architect and dispensable. In fact I don't know how this particular architect ever got along without you owe David. We'll never get to breakfast. Alright come along. You'd rather eat. I wouldn't rather oh darling. I can't believe been own apartment tonight. It'll be like a honeymoon. I wish I could be sure the painters will be finished when I tell them we couldn't wait and they promised they'd be out. I don't trust painters promises charm. You sure we'll have something to sleep on this too. I promise to. I order the bed to be delivered. The staff and the kitchen stuff's coming. Maybe I have been missing out and not having a woman partner. You've got one now. ooh ooh oh here. You are so a lot of furniture and boxes delivered yours devolution into everything in Alan rooms offi crowd. I moved out again the paint as finished when the painter he promised to be all through today. Vive it'd be the five o'clock shopping will be finished the floor and out so you got to tell you mrs no they. We'll have Mr not know. Be here any minute I give you your keys and I will be downstairs if you want me. Thank you but I I. I don't think I need to tell tomorrow for you. Just go I I will message. Oh you're the pain or what are you doing years finding allow Mrs but you promise faithfully would be finished with the painting actor noon. Won't you be. I'll be out just a little more go capital where you walk over there. I left the path boy in the bedroom. Never fails else lady tendons wanting things in the IRA. They just don't seem to want to let pain dry. I'm sorry I've been a nuisance to you but I I was so anxious to people anxious to get in and then come no moving men and they don't care anything for Painter Slam Bang around. That's that's too bad. Nobody cares about a painter. Paper hangers the worst of all paper and paste all over the place competition. I guess that's what it is. I guess that's what it is but we're lucky we are having any paper at least all paint over jobe lookout lady for the wet floor going into the bedroom That's what they all say someone else. I must have not so fast lead paint. You can't come in watch out Now he'll watch. How am I gonNa get this law painted? If people are GonNa be trumping across that. I promise I won't trump you see I live here The Lady of the House. She's in back to the bedroom. Did you hear what he called me as wonderful. What the painter you call Me Lady of the House? I don't know when anything is made me feel as our our dispatch who you look David. What Sun's gone? Well maybe it has a date with some other apartment down this. We'd better hurry now GET DRESSED BRAT. Louise's dinner do say dress. Didn't I tell you I was so busy. I just. She called this morning and especially and I told her we would. That was nice have you. You promised Your Louisa and I'm the one that has to crawl into a boil shirt. Why do we have to dress up? Well that's what I didn't tell you now. Now tell me now at. We thought it would be a good idea for us to meet her friends. The van narrow because they are going to do over their house and she he thought it would be nice for them to meet an architect boil shirt. Do you know what I think now. I think at Louisa as colossal pain in the neck. But you'll oh go. There's no possible way of getting out of it anyway. Mama be their day so it won't be so terribly bad for you. Yeah let's see if our friend the painters finished the coast is player not good. I'm already old ornamented. What's wrong or painter with a persecution complex has painted himself out the front door and he's painted us in the day that he couldn't have he promised he'd be finished and we could move in this afternoon? Stop and think did he actually promised that we could move in this afternoon. Yeah well did he didn't he. Well maybe not exactly. But that's what he implied. He said he'd be finished this afternoon. Any sensible person would think the painters got any sensible person would know that paint takes a number of hours dry. That's very inconsiderate of it anyway. Couldn't we tip talk on the theory that tiptoes don't count. Yes yes we could but we'd leave our pretty little tip toes permanently prominently recorded on our living room floor. Oh contained over. Tomorrow they could when you would undoubtedly get yourself painted then again on a next time. Might not be my luck to be painted in with you. We've got to get what paint would say we're not going going to get out. You seem to be enjoying this. I have an idea you planned it all me. I had absolutely nothing to do with David. This isn't any joke about Louise's dinner party. I was thinking of that plot. Were you thinking I was thinking how nice it was. We couldn't go all but this is terrible. So terrible about being cooped up with me Areso the best laid schemes of mice and men often workout the most wonderful way David van Meryl's and the cousins and the dinner was really being given for us dialing. I've ruined everything and I wanted to be suggest suggest magnificent. Hell you couldn't have done better. Even if you'd known what you were doing to be really honest I don't Wanna go either on the. There's a cloud every silver lining. If we miss me this dinner party. We want to eat with star. We'll get food food. You say. Wait a minute that you can't scream out of a window. Kevin neighbors cuddly. I don't give a hoot. Fred could you come out there. Yeah there it was just too far below. Oh David you've ruined our reputation. That's better than ruining the pain. I'm not sure I- downing I feel like an awful fool ooh did. I say you weren't really thing to have done. Look silly things fall out of love get divorced. And it's the Norton Norton Bridge on the painted. Told me you had gone out but you had not come out very they definitely we had not gone out and now it would seem that very definitely we are not going to go often troubles at all. In fact we can manage beautifully with your help. What could I do well? If you get along broome find example you could reach some food across to us without touching the floor. That would be good. There's the food well if you run down to the DELICATESSEN. For an example you could get some for roast beef Sandwich Turkeys and to roast beef than we can split all right with mustard and some pickles. ooh Sure Oh. This is fun. Daisy Louisa. I'll fix that too. Can you reach the telephone there in the Foyer Fritz yes I can lead to plaza fight for seven seven. I am dialing Itch Plaza. Five for all seven seven so I did now you you ask for Mrs Brown Teller. You have a message from Mr Mom will be there by now. You're not an architect your genius. I don't Miss Wound please. WHO WHO AM I? I'm yeah I would on Somebody speaking Irish. But I do want to speak to Mrs Brown about Mrs Norton's mother now. Oh definitely no no this is. I haven't message to give you for Mr North a message from Mr Gnawed. Coming terrible hasn't been an accident. He is with Mrs Norton's a bit woman. He can't come to the fore on the paid the painted him in. Yeah painted him invisible like painting. Rich you're a genius teller. We can't come to dinner. He says he can't come to dinner. I mean they can't come to thank you goodbye. She was very Seattle excited then she was laughing. She said she doesn't thought you. I the painter to juice off the understanding. Louisa just lives to Organiz. The other people's lives Miller is one thing louise a Cadillac anais. And that's wet paint This broadcast of Claudio was supervised and directed by William Brown Maloney. Let's see see what's needed to make Thursdays holiday complete. How about your supply of Coca Cola? You'll want plenty of ice on that day of all days. You can have. 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Another day ends in the Sahara largest most uncomfortable was the onion news network network Hey It is free. Talk live on this Thanksgiving Day. The addition of the program. Welcome to it and happy Thanksgiving to you. If you are in the United States other people elsewhere I just don't celebrate Thanksgiving thanksgiving so if you're outside of the United States it's just another day Canadians do it. But they do it on the wrong day do they really. Yeah they do it October. You know the weather's. It's not so good up there. So welcome to the program here you can. Of course take control of the airwaves and you know you can bring up whatever you want. That is the point point here Free Talk Live as we get settled into doing unusual episode of the show. It's unusual that mark you're here because Usually it's Chris Reedmen who heads up Thursday show right. We gave Chris the night off It is thanksgiving. And he's been doing thanksgiving episodes for the last couple of years. So this is the first first Thanksgiving off in years. So I'm normally on on Thursdays but I'm in the third seats. Kinda shuffle things around here and we actually have brought in special will guest host with us here tonight. His name is Alexander. Do you WanNa give your last name. Alexander's that's something that's public or or what. Yeah a Malik Zander. You records he alexander you. Gorge is from not yet from the Mariana Islands but soon to be from the Mariana Islands and a lot of people people in our audience and elsewhere in the world probably have never heard of the Mariana Islands. They don't know much about them if they have heard of them their way out. There's some people have heard of Guam. Actually were on the air in Guam. We've got an drive time in Guam. Are we One hundred check on that. Actually they're not airing us. Live now in Guam Guam. I think the last time I looked they had Assan at night so I don't know if that means we can pro. I don't know how far how far is are the northern Mariana Islands from Guam. Because they're all in the forty five minutes by plane by plane are it's maybe the signal actually makes the trip out there. I don't know because you know if you're if radios being broadcast cast over ocean it can go pretty far. Yeah I mean I don't know forty five minutes in a plane that's pretty good distance. Yeah that's true. Tend not to think so in the maybe it's not making the trip while we're on a both FM and am In Am's probably making could could conceivably make the trip with some bounce on the salt while we're on K. U. S. G. A.. M thirteen thirteen fifty in Ghana Guam and they also have what they call them the business and FM translator. So I'm sure a lot of Guam. Listeners are well aware of the Northern Mariana islands sure but beyond that not too much awareness. I suspect I mean I kind of vaguely had heard of them. But I didn't know I wouldn't have been able to tell you they were. US A a possession or territory and We're GONNA talk more about them tonight. And the reason why is because Alexander you reached out to me a few weeks ago. You had come up from Boston. You're in business or in Boston on some business. You live in Texas right now. You're originally from Boston. So you're pretty familiar with New England and have probably spent some amount of time in New Hampshire. I imagine yeah growing up in Boston. What you vacation in in New Hampshire sometimes right and sometimes I you got to make a purchase up there? uh-huh right liquor like the vague. jus Use is going to be the new thing and did you guys cover the story. Last night. We did For listeners who you maybe hadn't heard the governor of Massachusetts has now signed the flavored vape and flavored tobacco band so no more menthol cigarettes in the state of Massachusetts no easy flavored vapes. If you have a vape device that does not have you. Don't have of your receipt with you to show to prove that you bought your vaping device in Massachusetts. They could steal your car from you so if they I pull you over and you have a vape in your hands and you don't have the receipt to prove that you legally bought it in Massachusetts from illegal dealer in Massachusetts. They could take take your car and ladies and gentlemen. I know some of your like all the cops had never do that. They would the belief here the cops in Massachusetts most assuredly hurriedly would do that this war on drugs they As one one writer said about this the Massachusetts cops need a new war on drugs dogs. They they can't have a war on marijuana anymore. So now they're going to have a war on vape juice and they're gonNA use the same exact tactics. So yeah that's what you're referring to people coming from Massachusetts to go shopping in New Hampshire and so let's get a little bit of your background Alexander. I mean where what your history where do you come from what turns you onto the idea. A political migrations and ultimately. Why did you choose the Mariana Islands as your destination? 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA move there in December. Yeah sure I I dislike to to clarify I'm not involved in applicable migration We're trying trade. A crypto cluster. Is What we call it or move a bunch of like minded individuals to one area. Yeah to magnify the impact so like you have a silicon valley or In Michigan Detroit. You'll a cluster of automotive industry. So the goal is to create a cluster non political migration that being said there may be some political implications if a bunch of crypto minded people concentrated in one place by our goal is more take that industrial cluster greater impact. Do you have any idea how many people need to go to at whereas what the Northern Mariana Islands yet to go for what purpose you're saying how many people need to go to make crypto cluster. Yeah sure so. Our websites crypto frontier. Dot Org and We're estimating that fifteen hundred people is all take the crater very significant cluster. Fifteen hundred people's a lot of people. It was many years after the Free State project was created. The fifteen hundred people had picked up and moved Do you have I mean any ideas. Well how many people are on the Northern Mariana alands. The population on the Mariana Islands is between fifty and sixty thousand people. Okay that's county Mo.. Large percentage of them are not US citizens citizens or residents here on a special visa. The Mariana Islands. We might talk a little bit more about that later. So voters only a fragile vote in gubernatorial elections. There's about fourteen thousand five hundred voters. Did they vote. That voted. Yes voters and fifteen hundred would be about ten percent of the population. So I think it'd be a very significant demographic perhaps the largest industry on the island which is what we're going for. What is the top industry right right now? Is that tourism yet. Tourism is by far the top industry and Secondary might be gambling but that's also catering towards the tourism market so gambling is legal in the Mariana Islands. Yeah gambling leading legal there. There's a a one billion plus dollar casino. Project is currently being constructed Chinese casino. A Hong Kong long owned casino. Interesting which is I guess. Technically part of China right while. They're that's in dispute at the moment. We'll see did you see the did you see the headlines that the Hong Kong protesters are like holding up pictures of Donald Trump because trump signed Whatever the resolution delighted? Yeah I mean I would I would be eh. They're holding the the photo shop. Where trumps like? He's got like a ripped body and he's box got boxing gloves. Hey I'm sure. Trump appreciate is is the Mariana Islands. Basically part of Asia. I mean. It's pretty close right. Yeah it's in Micronesia. Which is in Asia Pacific Perfect It's within four five hours from some of the biggest metro metro policies in the world. Tokyo Seoul Hong Kong along Manila. They're all within four hours of the territory lying Tom Yum. And what can you. US citizens Addison's when they go there if they decide to live their voters immediately. Yeah of course it's America is it or isn't it. I mean I've heard unincorporated territory. which is the technical term so can any of them get on a plane fly over here? Live here yeah. Okay all citizens if you're born there there's actually a a a thriving birth tourism industry on the territory. Many people especially from China come over there for the great. US hospitals out here so so Some of the problems with CRYPTOCURRENCY acceptance here in the United States have to do with State laws surrounding money transmitter. Licences variety riot of things that can make things a little difficult to do business in any particular state what those laws like in the Northern Mariana Islands. Yet ed the Northern Mariana Islands is can thought can be thought of somewhat similar to a state the differences they have a little bit more autonomy so one of the biggest challenges changes in the Crypto community is the tax obligations every time you make a purchase with crypto currencies. That's technically a capital gains event. Oh these people with their are ridiculous. Rules on crypto currency. I can't imagine how anyone could even try to obey these rules. Let's get in deeper into what's going on in the Northern Mariana Islands. Or what's about to begin again as Alexander is kicking off a migration project Focused on crypto libertarian types. There's more coming up here. This is free. Talk live balance of nature changing the world one life at a time. Your product is absolutely amazing. 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I mean literally just kicked off within the last one of the site go up two weeks ago this week. So you're you're basically breaking news news here on Free Talk Live. That's correct breaking news so Phil Frontier Dot Org check it out. Yeah thank you for For that I really appreciate it We were kind of getting adding some background on. You just found out during the break. You're actually really are an idea in prince airlie. Let's a lot of fun. WHO Better to start? CRYPTO currency project. Well Nigeria's as you probably know A huge place for cryptocurrency adoption. If you look at Local BITCOINS JOINS DOT COM. I mean aside from all the jokes about Nigerian princes and scam emails and all that There really is a lot of interest in in crypto currency in Nigeria Venezuela. Also if you look at a local bitcoins which is the competitor the big not so privacy friendly competitor to local BITCOIN DOT COM But they do put put out data about is one of the bigger sites where you can buy bitcoin BTC They put out data about globally where their customers are and how much activity there is. And actually the two hottest spots in the planet at least on our website or Nigeria and Venezuela. So it's it's definitely Some serious interesting cryptocurrency in that place have you ever been to to Nigeria. Yeah no I think. The interest largely stems from the currency fluctuations as far as the the government money. Yeah there was Kinda similar to Venezuela for a while there was the official government rate in the black market rate so there was oh just like in Venezuela exactly. Yeah they change. How big of a difference was there between the black market rate and because I remember in Venezuela was officially? Actually it was one dollar was supposed to get you ten boulevard and the reality was like one dollar would get you thousands of Bolivar on the black marketplace. Yeah wasn't quite so large. It was significant enough that there was a thriving bitcoin industry around interesting and you said they changed that recently absolutely the last year. Yeah they realized there's often the case there's a fight between the central bank and the presidency where one wants the currency to to be pegged. The other one wants more stability for investors and the economy so eventually they realized that it wasn't working their goal initially was to support more domestic production. Nigeria has very lush nature and Soil but they import rights. They also are one of the biggest guess oil producers in the world but the import fuel so they are trying to break that habit of being very import-dependent right but it it's working but not enough to Continue the artificial pack. So let's shift gears back into What's going on with your idea of migrating the people who I presume? Retargeting crypto currency libertarian types. Or are you just willing to take anybody who likes crypto into the the crypto frontier. We're not a political migration focused more and crypto enthusiasts entrepreneurs and developers the the challenge. We saw us that. There's a lot of technology technology out there in the world but there's no place to implement it. There is blockchain voting property registry and a lot of other really innovative tools. But they're just tools. There's no place where you can actually use them. And we think that creating a cluster somewhere in the world would be the best way to cross implementation impasse so First off. I think that's a great idea because once you declare yourself as a political movement like the Free State Project did and admittedly the for the free priest project would immediately throw their hands up and say we are not a political movement. We do not endorse candidates. We are five. Oh One C.. Three and right back but the back in the early days the founder. The Free State project was literally talking about taking over the government. Well the founder and the presidents have run for office and in you know like there's it's a I don't think the founders of a run for office not the founder but the president's okay so the founder and the pre. I'm sorry Yeah I was just you know I was Got Confused on who you're talking about when when you said founder Do you were talking about Jason. That's right yeah I mean you know there's there's a political aspect to it always has been it's a threat to the status ATAS quotas dump to some extent and that has had its ramifications for the movers. The Free State project like everybody's he's like. WHOA you're here to take over the government And we're like no no we don't want to take over the government we touch attempt to take over the government and that has problems whereas if you say we're here to create a community that uses crypto currency and you know we're gonNA attract people who want to bring businesses WanNa bring business and money and in all kinds of stuff in and we're gonNA be like jobs. They're going to bring jobs. People love that idea jobs right now and so. I think that that's a pretty good pretty good way to go about clouded. So let me ask you this. Here's the hard question New Hampshire has keen and Portsmouth. Both of which are crypto hubs and there are other crypto hubs in the world One can think of I I hear. San Francisco's Hong Kong and Seoul Tokyo also hopes. Yep Yep right. Most of the island of Japan you can spend a lot. I know that Has Its Sophia. Some one of those little Baltic states over there Roger Veers been hanging out in and You know so. There's there's places why didn't you pick one of those instead of creating your own. Yeah well I think the challenge with all those places that crypto will never be a major industry there the matter how big it gets even financial services in the US. It's not a huge industry. There's bigger industries but on the Marin island is possible that crypto could be the biggest industry on the island and it's it's a territory in the US so if you're implementing some blockchain voting solution or property registry tree solution. If you do it in America they'll give you reputation all around the world you can then go to other countries and say look we put this in America. It's working we. I can do it in your country if you just go to some random place around the world as less reputational value and cheering. You make won't have the same for example. There's Senegal goal crypto project. Hold that thought making no can come back to that Here in a moment. Senegal crypto project. I've not heard of this WanNa know more about it. Eight fifty five four fifty free. I'm sure between the two of US mark. We can come up with tons of tough questions for Alexander. We know a lot mark. You've been following a lot of these move here projects you know all the failures There's more coming up here. Free Talk Live Life. I WanNa tell you about my favorite crypto currency wallet edge wallet at edge DOT APP edges. The Wallet I use more than any other and that was true long before edge while it became a sponsor of free talk live edge. Wallet allows you to buy sell trade and securely hold your crypto currencies including bitcoin. A theory of tokens narrow ripple dash bitcoin cash and more. It's is available for both android and and you can download it via the play or APP store or via edge while its website edge dot APP. Secure your freedom with edge wallet. 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I've got some experience at this kind of thing. Mark Arken I of course Mark has been following along with all these move here projects over like a decade. How long have you had that? I've had it for close to a decade. Yeah so you've got a it's no website but it's a facebook page called the move here project. And you've been kind of cataloging. All these various different things that popped up because the free state project is a a good idea the idea of hey libertarians. You guys are too diffuse to spread out there. Just not enough of you in one place to really make a difference. How `Bout we concentrate them together together in the same place and actually have a chance at achieving more freedom in our lifetime right and somebody came up with the idea of going for a bunch of Christians to move to South Carolina and for a bunch of sort of Proper ultra-conservative types to move to the the northern redoubt or something The basically Eh you know there was also Free State Wyoming which had some movers yet and fizzled goanywhere and none of them have really gone anywhere. With the exception of the Free State project that one has has had the most success of evolve thousands of movers. The successes limited I mean you know in in looking at the you know and we'll see whether whether or not these things occur. How long has it been since this February will have been four years so the window will soon be close? Let's write the five-year moving window for the Free State Project which original original goal is to reach twenty thousand people. Who are pledging to move? It took just a couple few maybe three two three years to get to five thousand. The vote than happened happened where they chose from ten different states. Where to go New Hampshire won overwhelmingly in the vote and the number of sign? UPS dropped off a cliff after that and went very very very slowly for the next decade and a half to two aunt finally reach twenty thousand they then triggered the official move so mark you and I. We were what were called early. Movers we moved oof like a decade before the official move triggered. And so now we're in that official move period where there's a five year window where the twenty thousand signers have to migrate to New Hampshire. And I don't know what their current numbers are as far as how many people have moved since since then but There's four thousand three hundred ninety two free staters in New Hampshire. But I said that includes all the people who are already here that were part of the Free State and its accounts friends. I believe to does it. Okay yes I think there's only still like around two thousand plus plus two thousand four hundred movers or something like that. There's twenty four thousand people that have signed up and presumably. They should be moving in the next year and three months. Ain't going to happen. APP announced. Its they hit five thousand. I think it'll be a a smashing success so and I think that overall it has been a good thing. I've been very happy here. I think it's wonderful Philippi around liberty minded people. Alex came out with us for dinner tonight. Thanksgiving dinner the Indian Curry restaurant. That takes crypto here in town and literally at the drop the HAT I. I think I mentioned it at like four o'clock this afternoon that you were coming and we had what five people come out to that which is pretty impressive on Thanksgiving the day that many people would come out. But you were talking about. This isn't a political migration. The idea of moving people to the Mariana Islands. It's more of a business crypto focused. Let's create your calling Crypto Frontier Dot. Org that's the website. Let's create a hub for crypto currency businesses and individuals who care about cryptocurrency. Is that right. That's correct and you were about to mention this Senegal crypto project. What's that yes so? Mark was asking wild and Northern Mariana Islands. And there are many places you can move. He you listed a bunch by the main important thing you need if you are a developer with a new coin new blockchain system. Is You want someplace where it will count. You WanNa make sure that when you prove to the world your your system works they take you seriously. acorn the rapper. He created a coin in Senegal. And he's trying to create a stable currency by it's it's much harder to sell a stable currency in Senegal than a stable currency in America. So the Meyer. While your solution Asian is you'll get more legitimacy if you're able to complete it in the US or another developed country with high standards and high reputation internationally. We'll plus the the Language in the Mariana Islands is English. Yeah that's correct and it's going to be hard for people you know who don't speak a native language like you know to move to Taiwan or Japan or something like that. I mean I can't have as much of an impact in a place where I can where I can't even say you know three words or how about a How can you even move there right? There's restrict says where you can just move without having to get a visa but the Marin islands is part of the US all a three hundred plus million citizens can move there tomorrow live work and do whatever they could anywhere else to ask permission. Exactly in addition has has a special visa program exclusive to the Northern Mariana Islands which reliable import top talent from around the world. Really so that gives it a leg up over many of these other places. So even though it's part of the United States it's more friendly to visa migrant type folks. Yeah it has special visas. Ah H. One B. might have heard of. It's the tech worker visa they have an exemption from the cap so in the US every year they opened up H.. One B. Levi's application period and it fills up almost instantly because there's so many companies that want to bring in top talent from India. China other major engineering hops in the world but doesn't Washington DC. No the exact amount of tech professionals that we need every single year. I mean isn't important. Have a a bunch of officious bureaucrats. That's the really are considered liars and thieves and pretty much every other corner of society telling US exactly how many people should be able to come here and You know make make our lives better. I mean we're not even I mean clearly. These people are getting paychecks so somebody must want them. Usually the paychecks are pretty good. I mean isn't it important to have these kind of politicians telling us what to do. Yeah the people of the norm are certainly disagree. And so there's no cat meaning that you know you said from the cab so they can so in theory that could bring in as many of these H. One B. Visa people as they want to. Yeah Wow and they also have helen. Can you state you know how long somebody can stay on an H. One B. H. One B. as a it's a dual track visa those non immigration visas and immigration visas so h. one visa greencard track visa. Aw really if you at your visa renewed long enough you can apply for a green card. Wow so this. This means that Mariana Islands holds pretty interesting You know attraction right so it's got the attraction of if you can get there from the United States no problem you can move out there at the head. I saw. Well probably a thousand in dollars is what you need to plan for airline going halfway across the world and that's about right isn't going to be quick. No you're looking at at least a day. Full twenty four directs on nights from Manchester and Chester to the northern soul. Whatever home call solar Hong Kong then take another connecting flight? Things go bad for me in Tokyo. uh-huh so you not only have the benefit of being able to attract anybody from the United States who's a US citizen who wants to move. They can just drop the hat and move you've But also anybody who wants to move from the rest of the world can get one of these h one B visas if if they've got a job right if there's somebody who wants to sponsored sponsored by a corporation but also qualifies for all the other. US VISA programs as well so easy to you invest around one hundred hundred and fifty thousand the US starch. Start Your own business you can work in the US indefinitely she be five investor visa. They just increased the minimum to eight hundred thousand. If you invest that you can also work Mary. On's as well so on any of the US in the Mariana Islands those visas the e. Two there's no cop the Eb Five Visa. There's a cop but it's by nationality so if you're a Chinese or Indian of some bad news through but pretty much everyone house. There's no cap on their nationality. As of now it's really important to keep people out because of their nationality and and there's a lot of Chinese folks that are working in the Mariana on islands on what the HP AG to be H.. One B. CW. There's there's more visas than letters in the alphabet. It seems nowadays. It's a big destination. The Chinese tourists as well from what I understand so we can talk more about east to the Mariana Islands and freedom and crypto currency. And if you want to join us here on Thanksgiving Day you can doc life hunters anglers campers and survivalists get back to nature expand your horizons with the highest quality. 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First thing I I did is look at the states to try to figure out. Is there any place in the. US One of the states that could be ideal. I think the challenge with that is the federal government controls the taxation for cryptocurrencies. So as we were talking about Oh totally right So when I go if I go to the local hamburger shop here and I buy a hamburger with dash which I did just recently on Sunday and that then becomes a taxable event because as it is considered a realizing capital gain. They wasn't capital gains or it could be a loss they want you to track the crypto currency. You bought the price that you you bought it at the time. Right somehow. Calculate the amount that you spent what you spent it at whether there was a gain or a loss was ridiculous insane. I mean it's like in almost impossible to think about how you possibly do this right and it's pretty much zero chance. The federal government will change that. They liked that they like having everyone. Well they WANNA scare people away from crypto currency. They made it as hard as possible to to buy and sell gold and silver too so I can tend to agree with you. Alex is that it's what their this is their back door way of saying you'll never use this. crypto currency is currency legally. You'll never destroy our dollar dollar because we've outlawed your stuff and if you step over the line we'll let you play around by a cheeseburger and we won't say anything. Don't worry about it but if you step over the line we will whack your head off and you'll go to prison for the rest of your life unless you're in the northern Mariana Islands. So does Lomb not even the advantage all all U S territories. They have their own toxin thority. So they get to set their own tax policy and how things work the advantage of the northern minds over Guam uh-huh or Puerto Rico or American. Samoa is that the very open minded. Currently they have a economy is largely dependent on tourism and tourism scrape great when the global economy is booming. Yeah as soon as a recession porous tanks. So they know they're they're relying on good passer recession. You're not gonNA spend a thousand dollars to Flighta the Mariana Islands home. Yes so they're they're looking to diversify their economy. They have existing toxic sections for new large arch employers especially in the financial industry. So there it's clear they're open minded. They're always looking for new things. They recently legalized the casino to try to create a new industry strea- and new revenue sources. Just legalize one casino or. Would it be legal for somebody to open a competing casino. It depends on the island. So they're very federalist list type territory. Interesting have different tournament where the different islands in the Mariana Islands have autonomy. You can pass a law with just your senators China. There's so you have this. There's nine senators in the territory from three from each island. which is a senatorial district? But if you WANNA create say like local speed limit limit you could just impose out with just your local senators voting on it and not need any feedback from the other six senators from the other islands. That's a really big deal. When I'm looking at the northern Northern Mariana Islands because there are basically three populated islands and then many unpopulated ones and that means that populated is barely the case with two of them? Yeah if you're talking about Rhoda or trending media ten. What is it ten ten Thank you rotate rotate. You're talking about populations around around three thousand pita. So you're it'd be very very easy to get three senators on that island with three thousand people you make thirty jobs and you've suddenly created employer right so That's a pretty big deal. So that means that somebody who comes in has a pretty big opportunity. Why is it that other companies have not figured out that the Northern Mariana Islands? This is this really great location. Yeah it's sort of America's hidden champ. Most people have never heard of it in the mainland. I've only met one or two. The people of the hundreds. I've talked to have heard of the island beforehand. I might have heard of it but I wouldn't have R- known whose possession it was wouldn't have known it was a US well. I knew of the Mariana area and islands. I wouldn't have been able to name any of the islands in it right But I and I probably would have been able to kind of get you within a thousand miles in the Pacific Ocean but that's not that isn't exactly You know I wouldn't tell you where Saipan was. That's the capital of the Mariana Islands. Yeah yeah I thought there was another side Pan that was it. Sounds like it's Asia right. It sounds like it sure. Does I think they've done Job Marketing to Americans. They're more focused on their major tourist markets. Which is South Korea and China As a matter of fact the ethnic makeup there is largely Asian Mister percent white the others who whomever so. Yeah it's not Americans largely or I don't even know what a lot of our Americans saw Ken's right a lot of Asians tomorrow. Islander Asia pokes Kanders but the Pacific. Islanders are basically a third of the Population Asians or a half. There's something called multiracial which you know I guess we all are and it just goes on from there. What about Internet connectivity? If you're talking about a crypto a hub of Internet a big pipe. Yeah well luckily the Mariana Islands locating there. Some of the biggest Internet powerhouses in the world South Korea Japan Japan and Hong Kong so they cable is the biggest one is from Japan. Docomo Pacific major telecoms provider runs a cable from Japan to Guam and stops through the northern Mariana Islands. So hundred megabit Internet is accessible for anyone. You don't have to deal with no crappy satellite Internet now. We got the Royal Lt. He and there's even a Korean company looking to put in five G. Next year so it might even have five G. before you're in town. Well that's pretty impressive so What is this crypto cluster? That you're talking about GonNa look like paint me a picture of what it is that you know what you're gonNA start to try to create because I'm going to guess it's going to be ninety percent male. Well probably true. What about the the women to question it? There's plenty of them probably about half the population. That's up more than half. The lot of the workers are are from the Philippines in the the tourism industry so they like to have the Waitresses and hotel staff very young beautiful women and as a result I think many men moving there would enjoy it very much all right well. Let's get a further into this year. We can come back with the question. The toll free number eight fifty five four fifty for his. 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I must say We I don't know that we've ever been quite as kind to somebody who fully expected. Because when Alex reached out to me I had not heard of you know. I mean you weren't so regular uh I don't know how long you've been listening to freetalklive but it didn't seem like you had been for for a very long time at least But you pitched the idea of coming up. You're in the area you wanted to come in and pitch this idea. Idea of migration like a crypto migration project and of course my initial response was well. Sure if you're willing to come to keen I'm willing to come sit down and have lunch in here what you have to say. But I wasn't expecting anything. You know. Impressive because we've heard it all we've heard all kinds of move here project pitches ever since the Free State project. Everybody buddy else. WHO's a libertarian? WHO DOESN'T WANNA move somewhere has wanted to create a move here project to get all the Libertarians to move to their place and that was the first thing that impressed me about you? Alex and I've told you this off. The air was that you are actually going to do this you. You don't already live in the Mariana islands although you have visited so there's that but it's not like you're trying to get people to move to Dallas where you currently live or to Boston where you originally came from your. You've looked at different places. I sign that your move here. Project objectors poorly planned out. You know what it really would be awesome if all them. Libertarians would move right here and I got broom in my aren't aren't you know. Look or whatever So hey no game no real investment. Nothing like that then. You know step two is we. You have picked up as a as a bad ideas. You've picked a place. That's beautiful. Not a place that is politically. It's an island in paradise with legal cannabis. What more do you want the agreed and legal gambling? You said but I gotta say that. That makes me first skeptical. Not You know not not. It doesn't bring me on board living a beautiful places a wonderful thing but the government of that place needs to be on board with whatever the project is and it turns out from all the questions I've asked you so far. Yeah it seems like they are. They've now how do they believe. Government doesn't even know. This project exists. No not the project but I mean they're the way okay that the government set up is conducive. I guess what I'm trying to say. Yeah so there's always saying because he was actually willing to pick up his own life and move four of this. Yes ideally that that. He's the creator of that said apart from ninety nine point nine percent of the rest of these. Move your projects so really got my attention. I had a bunch of questions. Of course that's we're asking a lot of questions here tonight. Mark this is your first real experience with With this proposed research ahead of time. But I don't know that much so you had asked Alexander just before. He went away for the top of the hour news to kind of paint a picture of this. The idea crypto cluster. Hadn't heard this term as you want you want to tell people. Yeah yes so I'm thinking we create industrial cluster. But everything gotTA start small. So I envision forest his A few activists spenders go over there and start using bitcoin. You get ten guys. Keep in mind. The median income the northern. Mariana Islands is is fifteen thousand dollars a year. What does that like half typical American median income? I'd say it's about a third family. Income median income is about sixty thousand thousand dollars in the US so maybe one fourth of family wanted individual team for an individual in the Mario fifteen for individual. So if you're someone who works is online or you you may some money getting early into crypto and you want to do something to help spread crypto to more people and really take it to the next level you you come over to. The Mariana Islands with people like myself and our goal is to spend as much money in crypto. As possible. The reason we do this is we get the locals on board if we concentrate are spending at the same few businesses. They'll definitely be interested in taking crypto. If you're the bar in someone spending five thousand dollars Samantha Group and Crypto. You're going to be very interested. In what this crypto thing is to other bars to other restaurants will say hey. What is this crypto thing? How do we get them to come over here? So we start spending concentrated bars. Gems restaurants property managers. We help get more and more businesses interested in this new revenue source. I and make them realize that they can sell to more people. If they are accepting crypto technology will also do a lot of local outreach to the the children and other locals who are interested of Bitcoin. MEET OPS explain how it works. Other crypto technologies. That are interesting and it's just a very accessible place there where you you can just go the bar and meet the Assistant Attorney General. That's actually what happened to me. No I met him one day the next day I was playing xbox. It's not kind of place where all right can easily meet the powerful people. It's not oh I'm a senator or you're a little like voter getaway for kind of place. It's like that here in in New Hampshire. I'm sure to some extent as well because the state representatives are so many of them. There's four hundred state reps in New Hampshire. It's one for every thirty five hundred. Roughly three thousand or thirty five hundred word people. There's a good chance your state representative literally lives like a couple of neighborhoods over from you. You'RE GONNA see them at the grocery store. You're going to see him around town. But even in New Hampshire the odds are you're not gonNA run into the Attorney General because there's still one point four million people In in the state that said they are more accessible here than they are another places but it sounds like they're even more accessible in the Mariana islands. Because everybody's there and you know the Siobhan or pretty close by and we're only talking about L.. Fifty or sixty thousand people total will keep in mind. The governor wins with nine thousand votes. So that's the highest votes of any official is the governor and nine thousand. Votes is enough to win. So that gives you an idea of how representative you are. What is the governor of California represent almost forty million people? You're nothing to them. Where Saipan Saipan Northern Mariana islands? Every single vote matter and the the representative with the most votes that one was two thousand so the the highest I voted even lower than New Hampshire's thirty. Five hundred and senators can win with as few as six hundred votes right. There's fewer people voting for the Governor Wagner of Northern Mariana Islands than there are people voting in keene for the mayor. Yeah so that will really allow the project to get away larger to reach because the government's interested in what's going on. Who are these new people? Why says crypto technology And that's why we believed they'd be very amenable to things like block chain property registration or maybe even blockchain voting because they wanna do cool things diversify their economy. Put their name on the map. Now what are some of the other. crypto migration projects. Wasn't there one to Puerto Rico Recently the crypto migration to Puerto Rico Was a lot like people made a lot out of money and Puerto Rico has good Capital gains loss. So you can move Puerto Rico and if you're a real real resident there you can basically pay. No capital gains tax there are other taxes and you know whatever the case may be I presume. That's true in the Mariana Islands as well right yeah. The Marin Islands have the lowest taxes in America the highest tax bracket there is eighteen percent which is hot for income. Yes that's half of what you'd be paying income tax state like Florida or Texas. In addition there's no property tax or sales tax so things are really really low there in terms of taxation and the taxes that you're talking about you say eighteen percent that's the highest tax bracket is one hundred thousand. Yeah over one hundred thousand the way. It's a complicated system. They mirror the federal system. But then they give you rebates so the worst rebate is you get fifty percent of the money you would have paid back and keep in mind. You're not the worst. The worst one percent effective rebate. But the best the best rate is twenty thousand dollars and under you get ninety percent of what you would pay to the federal government back. But you're not paying anything to the federal government you're paying it to the Mariana Islands Committee. He said the. Irs isn't even there. There's not an irs office also your dollars there's aren't funding US military expeditions around the world. That's amazing there's more coming up here. Eight fifty five four hundred fifty free like freedom. We're here live on Thanksgiving Day. BITCOIN DOT COM has launched a trading platform at local BITCOIN DOT COM allowing you to buy or sell bitcoin cash via dozens of payment methods. Like Pay Pal then Mo bank deposit remittances or meeting in person with cash. There are no idea requirements to sign up for and use the site and all communications between buyers and sellers are encrypted finally global trading trading platform. 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This is the crypto currency wallet of my choice and that was true before they became a sponsor. We're here on free. Talk Live It's the one that I use more often than any other house. Just using it tonight out of the The Indian restaurant where my Thanksgiving Dinner Alex came out and about five or or six other Liberty activists from the area came out to to talk to him about this crypto migration to the Mariana the northern Mariana Islands. But anyway if you WANNA learn are more about the edge wallet it allows you to buy sell trade and securely hold various crypto currencies including Bitcoin ethereal Dash bitcoin cash Minero ripple stellar. And many more. You can go to secure your freedom with edge wallet it's on and Android devices just head on over to edge DOT APP to learn more or just go straight to your Google or apple APP store and download Ed Wallet as we continue here with Alexander we were talking about some of these other crypto migration projects. I'm just trying to think off the top of my head I remember. We're hearing some people saying that they wanted to move to Puerto Rico There was one violent man. Yeah was another one The Mauritius versus which is the island of the Dodo Birds Those has anything actually happened with these. Are they no no okay. Really nothing There is a place. Rico's big right like there's a lot of people living in Puerto Rico. This is not a small place you're not going to have as much of an impact In a place like that whereas in the Mariana islands total population peaks like fifty five sixty thousand people. Not even all those folks are voters and so oh you can have a much larger impact you were talking Alexander about maybe getting a dozen crypto people there initially to kind of get the crowned tilt a little bit so to speak and get online. If you can get a dozen people there you should be able to have a similar impact that we've had here in keene In keene New Hampshire for listeners. That have been listening for while you guys know. This is one of the hot spots per crypto currency local businesses accepting crypto. And the way we were able to do that was by having several people who are willing to spend cryptocurrency. Because that's the key. Lot of crypto people don't understand the value of spending it. They just WANNA hold it it and hope that it makes them rich but the value of crypto currency is to actually have a currency is to have something that you can actually use instead of using government money and unfortunately a lot of people in the CRYPTO. Don't understand that so you can get a dozen spenders to move to the islands and start pitching it to businesses. I I think you could outstrip keen if you If you have the numbers like that in a dozen isn't a high goal you get one business. Accepting crypto currency on one of those Smaller smaller islands than you have already per capita. beat the hell out of every place on the planet because Yeah Yeah. Our goal is to be the top. The per capita crypto place within five years okay. That's a good goal. It's doable an as we we move up the ranks on coin maps more developers investors will also become interested and as they reach out. We'll tell them about the great tax benefits the ability to access global talent pool through this special visas and that's when it should really take off once we have major developers of blockchain solutions like voting or property registry. Move over and start talking with the government and say hey we can lower the cost of doing these services and generate jobs. Income Publicity I think that's a very appealing pitch. And the government will be very receptive to such things conversely someplace like Puerto Rico. The crypto industry is just a drop in. The bucket is much higher for them to have an impact all those tax benefits that they're using were created by the Hedge Fund guys not the Crypto community whereas if they were to come over those same guys to the Mariana Islands there'd be some of the wealthiest issed investors in the area and could have a really really large reach three million people in Puerto Rico. So I mean it's not even a comparison really when you're talking about these kind of numbers When some of these islands smallest three thousand people even lower Well that it makes it makes you impact significantly larger. If you're GONNA come in and say hey I'm spending money and you bring in a dozen people. As he's pointed out Alex's pointed out here yeah that would be that'd be meaningful Somebody wants to open a business and then do business. In crypto or primarily in Crypto. That's going to be a big deal all right so if you've got any questions for Alex please jump on the line here. The toll free numbers eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. I've got a couple of notes here. I'm going to ask you some questions property you can't own property. That's that's the downside right. I there's two ways to look at it like everything. Not Owning. Property is really strange from an American perspective. People from all around the world by property in America whether it's you know drug cartels laundering their our money in the Miami market or a wealthy Chinese parking their money in California or just regular Americans who want to own a big dog or something. I mean You know the I I can tell you that. Most Americans look down on people who rent but as a homeowner and I've looked at this you know financially over and over and over again and if you're not gonna live in the same place for ten years you really don't have business buying property if you're you know maybe you've got a big dog and that's your only option. Maybe you really WanNa do some gardening or something But you know any even so it really just doesn't make much sense for most people to own property and anybody's had a hot water heater bust in their basement. Knows what I'm talking about this has to deal with the The roof and those kinds of things. It's a lot easier to just pay somebody market rate to take care of the house. You're living in. Yeah that's certainly true. I'd say the The bigger advantage to the the Marin islands system where only NATO's people who were there before joined the US can own property is that the prices are low. This is a beautiful beach paradise. A few hours from major agent Cities if anyone could own property there the whole on would be bought up. It'd be the next Hawaii. But because of this fifty five year lease limit some of the biggest investors and hotel chains. They're not willing to buy land. They can only own for fifty five years sure so it kept them out in. This kept the prices low. So I'm looking at right now on a real estate website which maybe a little out of date listings from twenty two thousand seventeen and it's like one of the only listening they have. But they're asking one hundred seventy five thousand dollars for a fifty five year lease of a property with what appears to be a house. It doesn't say what the square footage on the house. There's eight hundred and forty six square meters in the property which is about two tenths of an Acre one. Hundred seventy five thousand. That's that's just over three grand a year here for fifty five year lease three grand a year to live in. What looks like a pretty Nice House? two-tenths of Acre. I mean you're talking about monthly. That's you know three hundred bucks less than two hundred sixty five dollars a month to two hundred thousand dollars. I don't know what the the arrangements are. 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Our number is eight fifty five four fifty not really like freedom. That's eight five five zero three seven three three. We have the discord Colin Line Rooms. And you can join those over at discord DOT DOT FM. Yes it is Thanksgiving Day and we're here live in the mark in the studio tonight with Special Guest Alexander Gorge. He is the founder of Crypto Frontier Crypto Frontier Dot. Org more questions for him coming up about the northern Mariana Islands. One of the best kept secrets about the United States. It seems it is a place where it's technically technically part of the United States. But it's like the least of the regulations as far as immigration and taxes. And we can get into a little bit deeper here. Your calls and questions are certainly welcome. We're going to go to your phone calls though. Of course you can take control of the airwaves. And we're starting out here with Larry and Indianapolis Annapolis Larry. You're on free talk. Live go ahead. Hey I would. I didn't call talk about this. But you're talking about the Timeshare deal those. Those places don't have any infrastructure and there's uncertainty whether you can get medical care and not and not to mention the problem with insects and other critters that they have that a person that have been in several ization. He goes down there and signs a fifty five year lease on anything. That's not the same thing timeshare. I just be clear. Timeshare is different thing entirely. That's where you're sharing property with other people and that's not quite the same thing and light but anyway let's let's address a couple of those things. I mean insects. Obviously it's an island paradise which means it's going to be a few bugs down there right like Florida and we have flying flying cockroaches. It's poisonous snakes. Snakes will go on Australia Australia. You shouldn't but I just wears the sewage going. I mean I imagine treatment plant. Is it all wells or the Band for them. A mix of everything. It's similar to band for Hawaii or other destinations in the area. People from Indiana. Okay well good. Fan of premium. I know anyway what I what I call about as our champion President trump is again. He's our shopping online. What do what do you do for me? Here's what he's doing along for you. He's having the drug cartels classified as terrorist so that we can then if I was a drug cartels ashby diversifying my business because they get classified as terrorists they will be able to set in Oklahoma somewhere and have drone strikes on their their. There are luxurious compounds. Not Sound like good news. It sounds like with the price of my meth is going to go. I don't want drone strikes anywhere near me. You know that's squad. Do you know what that's GonNa kill innocent people to call. No it's GONNA cost no not kill any innocent people in the Middle East. Well well they're going to have them down there cartel plate. They know everything about these people. They have cell phones they have Internet and so so wait a minute. Are you actually trying trying to tell me that. After decades of the war on drugs you think increasing. The war is going to finally do something I think what it will do is it will make the problem that we have within this country. Even though the prices are high now they'll get higher and that will exacerbate and make the pain more acute. ooh So we'll get more robberies. We'll get our people. We'll have more people getting their homes and their cars broken into have more and that's what you want. You want want that. Well sometimes you have to go through some pain to make people understand more innocent people need to die at the hands of drone strikes zand terrorism raids. This is insanity. I mean to say that you think you are in the war on drugs by increasing. Violence is like you're acknowledging the reality that prohibition condition fails every single time. It's been thank you if you have that situation going on. Then they will legalize certain drugs and make them available through the government. Where so you think that because the government is now going to increase? Let me see if I'm following you here. You think because the government's going to increase the violence against the the drug cartels. That's going to somehow lead them to want to legalize drugs. That doesn't connect to me. I'm talking about the individual like Gu's Manar are our Or whatever his name would just got locked up. He's got beautiful homes and compounds in states that he on I'm talking about auto shop and they take all his money if they take all his money and he goes through his debit card and they say I'm Charlie Chop Oh so you don't have anybody but people are not gonNA give him anything. Degrees money is what's controlling right knowing they got all very well. It's a chance anything I mean. They've taken down drug cartels before there's other ones that rise up because as long as people will when they rise up and they think that they can dig tunnels and stuff they give them a warning and hey you got to close down but we're going to send a bunker buster down there on on you. Just keep her increase violence dropping bombs on the the war on drugs. That's GONNA work. I mean this is ridiculous violent fantasy. That's really sad. Larry because I know that you you're smart guy and you should know that prohibition doesn't work it lightning lot our country with all kind of Illegal I think what ought to happens you ought to legalize. Drugs are people. You don't understand you ought to legalize drugs that way people can make jokes here in the United States and sell them in the United United States. So you and throwing in. That's right. It satisfied our desire and employ people in that in that business instead of letting somebody foreigner coming here. Okay so so. Now you're with my you agree with legalizing drugs. He's fine with addiction as long as it's an American addiction all right good. I'm glad we're on the same page. Here Larry thanks for the call tonight. The toll free number is eight fifty five. I four fifty free before we go any further. I'd like to congratulate drugs on winning the war on drugs. Yeah it was never even contest. Now it's never going to be a a probation doesn't work that way. The people who've lost the war on drugs are the US citizens who've had to pay And people around the world honestly that have had to pay for all these The increased law enforcement activity. And all that stuff you know they. They run around. They get a little they get a little bus they show it off and they look World Paul Patrol and we got this little we we bought we bust some college kids with some weed All right so speaking of of Drugs the drug were like in the Mariana Islands. I there are no wars in the Mariana Islands. There is no national guard. There's NO SWAT teams. It's OMB watch more friendly environment and in regards to drugs specifically they just legalize marijuana in two thousand eighteen. They passed the law to legalize. Is it the first jurisdiction in Asia Pacific to legalize we flow medical and recreational use. So does that mean it's legal to possess put not legal to sell other work right now. They're finalizing the regulation similar to Massachusetts. Right they pass in two thousand sixteen but there are no shops open until twenty nineteen. So so it's GonNa take them a little while probably end of this year early next year they'll have the the regulations finalized but the way the bills currently written you can both th- possess it and there's a commercial sales so it's legal to sell it commercially but not yours knows legal regulations. You'll have to apply official seller and all that similar to other states official grower. I don't expect you to know every answer to every question but do you know if you were to sell cannabis without jumping through the hoops. Has that been decriminalized somewhat to wear if they arrested you for selling cannabis right now. Would it be a felony or would it be something like a violation or a misdemeanor misdemeanor or whatever. The equivalent is in the Mariana Islands. I don't think it's clear based on the current writing of the law. What the The penalty would be and the attorney. General's the office is working with the Cannabis Commission to fine tune those details but I don't think it would be a problem. The Northern Mariana Islands has the second highest weed smoking way in the world after Jamaica wearing to the UN study there are twenty two percent of the population smoking cannabis so Ari significant very relaxed on culture. And if you're not hurting anybody or generally left alone okay. 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You can learn more at divvy project dot org go check him out divvy project dot org all right so as I said we got Alexandria Gorji here. The website Crypto Crypto frontier dot. Org this just launched within the last week so this is the exclusive announcement. I guess here on Free Talk Live and I noticed on the website there is an email sign. Sign up all the way down at the bottom. So if you want to be kept in the loop That is where folks. Is that the best place for people to go right now Alexandria. Seven sub reddit are slash crypto. Oh frontier you're looking for feedback and suggestions. The project details are finalized. We want to hear writing the Crypto community. How we can improve other things we can? I do to make it more attractive. So give us your feedback and it already sounds pretty attractive as is although as you pointed out. This is the Crypto frontier. This is an opportunity community. It's not that you're going to be able to go there and immediately start spending crypto currency. You're looking for entrepreneurs People who are willing to reach out to the community to to connect the people of the Mariana Islands with the idea of Bitcoin crypto currency. I think that's a great plan Some of the other basics that you know probably are libertarian. Audience wants to to cover. You mentioned cannabis is legal there. As of two thousand eighteen year two thousand eighteen. They passed the law to legalize it. They're still fine tuning the details. But it's the first place in Asia Pacific to legalise cannabis which is pretty exciting. Didn't Guam also legalize it. Yes Guam copied them. Are Dan Islands. They followed the Mario threatened they felt. Oh my lose the tourism over to the WHO's all of these South Koreans and Chinese where the biggest biggest tourism markets they go to American colleges learn about cannabis and they're really craving but in their home countries. It's illegal right so having some place like the northern Northern Mariana Islands where they can indulge in their their vices ideal Guns however are maybe not going to be particularly welcome. What's the situation with guns in the morale islands? Yeah so Guns are legal. A common misconception. They tried to ban them. But because it's part of the United States the WHO tried to ban it was the legislature slater tried to ban it. There was a shooting in the Mariana Islands. And as is often the case shooting slee to backlash assume you know we gotta get rid of that will make people safe so they pass a pretty extreme gun law and army veteran He challenged it in in the courts. And the Ninth Circuit of appeals actually overturned the gun law. Wow so it's still possible to get guns. You have to apply for permission which May unhappy as ideal or someplace like New Hampshire constitutional. Carry but New Hampshire by the way did not have constitutional carry until two thousand seventeen I mean it had it. Maybe at some point in the past there was a long time where you have concealed permit. You could open. Carry legally in New Hampshire. Now you can conceal and open carry without government permission slip so oh I know that's something that you are interested in Utah me off the air. You might be willing to jump through those hoops just to see how invasive it is. How bad that that process is so guns are prohibited but is open carry also prohibited? You know in the yeah. I'm not sure the exact open carry laws off the top of my head by albeit investigating those farther and posting updates updates our MLS thing. You're moving their next month. You're like less than a month from picking up your life And you set apart and you've got a partner as well. It's moving with you going alone. Going all in picking up everything I've built over my life and jumping onto this new adventure. Do you have a place lined up to live. No we're just GONNA go over there and the place this partner like a you know onboard with the whole crypto ideas the romantic partner. I'm not clear this is anything had a partner rather go Means yet this is my business partner. Working real estate industry and he was actually the one who discovered the northern Mariana Islands. It's he's a Chinese national so they're very interested in real estate as you may hurt And it's an ideal location because it's a few hours away from China China. It's the only place in America or Chinese can go visa-free which is how popular in itself. So a lot of Chinese are interested in buying land and property. They're able to use it for a vacation now What's the traveling like? I mean when you obviously it takes a long time to get there from the United States is going to be you know get ready for a full twenty four hour. At least you know flying time with probably at least two stops before you you get there. What's the airport security like? I mean I remember going into Flying into Acapulco in Mexico versus Mexico City was like a huge difference in ease ease of getting through security. I mean how hard you know is there are they. Border Patrol is customs and Border Patrol. There they did could you tell. Oh Yeah There's some pretty funny stories in regards to the Both the customs and the Travel Freedom in the Mara. It's nothing like you've ever seen before for. Have you always before you before you go on with the story. Have you flown in from another country where you are staying spending time or were you like on a flight from the US so you never kind of left the US Lewin. I've flown in through both Korea and Hong Kong And it's pretty similar experience. It's like going to anywhere else. Now you just go in the airport go through security security on the plane. But what's interesting is domestic travel. I was flying from one onto the other. The first thing that surprised me was the boarding pass my boarding pass was a laminated paper. Seashell I thought they were kidding when they gave it to me star. Mariana yellow name is l.. Seat five hot and marina is the name of the Exactly and I was waiting for the. Tsa to fill me up but there weren't any. Wow there's no bag checks just hop find the prop plane and a few minutes later on other island. How many people on the plane? The plane seats five. Yeah I was riding shotgun next to the pilot. What it's like going in the Caribbean island? If you're just GONNA do an island hop and no one cares super relied on there was a joystick in my lap. LAP could've taken control of the POL seemed like he was falling asleep or anything landed safely. But I know there was a great experience and the Customs and Border Patrol is pretty wild too so it's the only place in the USO. has its own customs regime so well really. Yeah it's pretty wild when you're either by the government runs it so you're at the post office picking up your package. There's a that's what the follow table that says costumes stumps and marker to customs agents sitting there and every once in a while the disappoint someone like. Oh can we inspect your your package now and you you just look at it. Goes through costumes. And you're good to go take breaks every fifteen minutes or so so if you have something with a really high excise tax you can get yeah through. You need to not advocating that. What about buying things like Tell Electronics when we went to Mexico electronics are more expensive live than they are in the United States because a lot of these countries are like. Oh well if you're applying a big TV then you can pay extra. It's America there's freedom there are. There is no sales tax no property tax and you can order on Amazon just like anywhere else in the US. The only difference is shipping is a little slower that would sued as Amazon will take about five days. Which is I think pretty manageable? The I think that's manageable for sure and when you say there's no sales tax there's no property tax. What what about when you in but there is income tax it's about half of what the US income taxes? That's the highest rate as low as ninety percent. Do you have to fill out a US tax form is that the expectation or it it only if you have US sourced income so income sourcing a little complicated topic much much for how good radio and makes but if you're in the Marin earning the revenue it's GonNa be Marin a source generally and that income the IRS has no jurisdiction if you have a rental antle property in New Hampshire anywhere else in the US you will have to file state and federal taxes with them. Exude source from New Hampshire. Is that not clear So how do they know that you're receiving income. You'd have to tell him. I imagine. 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I've been talking mostly about the Murray Mariana Islands which actually part of the United States but not quite in the same way as the rest certainly certainly not in the same way the states because the irs is not a thing in the Mariana Islands as we were just discussing and not even as as restricted as some of the other Puerto Rico and some of these other places seems to have the most freedom of all of the US is considered a territory yet so US territory and so the post offices there post office What are some of the some things that people will see that you know in life in the Mariana Islands? What's similar similar to life in the United States? There were many of the franchises. We've come to know and love. Or they're your McDonald's rops your your hardware store Avis rental car and dozens of other franchises. So you'll be familiar with the language. The franchises the the currency deep fried chicken. Yep Of course people speak English there. You mentioned. There's a lot of folks that are living there on a certain type of visa. That is unrestricted. meaning that people from other parts of the world a lot of folks from China the Philippines come there to work. Do they tend to speak English. Pretty well the Philippines the pins they speak English very well. That's why they're so desirable for workers and probably if you call any tech support lately. You've probably talked to someone from the Philippines paints that's one of their biggest exports so the idea is to bring crypto currency people to the Mariana Islands. The website that you just put online last week is Crypto Frontier Dot Org. The weed is legal. The weather is great we. I don't think we've touched on the weather yet. You WanNa talk about that big objection when you talk to people about. Hey once you moved to New Hampshire. There's more economic freedom there's more there's more freedom. Here's some differences. I do want to talk about the weather but There are some differences between this project in the Free State project in so much as the Free State project is a project to move people for more liberty at the political migration state more more of a political migration. This is not a political migration but I still have all the questions. A Libertarian would have if being asked to move to someplace and I'm putting myself in the issues and asking these questions so please. What kind of weather are we talking about? Yes sure for those of you watching video you may see them wearing a hat. It's freezing appear in New Hampshire for the Marin islands. You'll have to worry about that. It wanted Guinness book a worldwide records most consistent weather in the world. Wow and and that's because of that's a low of seventy six and a high of eighty-three pretty much year round so at nighttime it's going to be shorts weather all year round. You'll never I need pants. If you're living in New Orleans what about so there's a bunch of islands there that are unpopulated would would somebody be able to go there and start community on an unpopulated island. Nothing of this. Yeah it's funny you say that the Constitution is actually pretty fascinating. Any it says that if the population of our crosses a thousand on the northern islands though become a senatorial district with three new senators are not only. Can you populate the island. If you've got a thousand people over there you'll become a senatorial district which is for lease so the place would have to be presumably. Somebody owns those islands right well. The away population works in the US based on the US Census Right and they count illegal immigrants there as well. So even if you're just there legally squatting you could still I achieve that goal so it's a pretty fascinating idea. I'm not sure this specific of how to move to those islands. Where were you lease the land if there's free land all of that? I know there's a home setting program created by the government because the the US military was saying. Hey if you're doc and use these islands we'd love to set up some jungle training camps in artillery firing range and the local said no way and started their own homestead program. So it's pretty amazing that such a small push back against the US military Y- There's incredible story you can look up about ten look how ten fought the US US military. I'm sure you can find it on Google. This small low income community of less than three thousand people fought back against the. US Navy wanted to expand a base there in creating artillery range and they challenged the legality of it and They try to get in two thousand twelve and to this day they still have been unable able to do it swallow. There's certainly a libertarian. Spirit there on the island. They're very protective of their land in their autonomy and they do not take kindly to federal government expansion. What do they think one of the problems? Here in New Hampshire is that there's the sort of I wouldn't call it a colonialist problem but there's an outsider issue if you're here if you declare yourself as a free stater in many people will say well that means you're you're here to fix our government and you think our government's broken and you're trying to. I don't know tape the you know. Why are you? Outsiders here to mess with our government. And what would how would that be there because it sounds like much of the population isn't even from the island. Yeah I don't think you would face the challenge him if you try to change their way of life. I think they'll be a resistance. Of course sure but we're trying to do is bring over An economic cluster and and Marin is really trying to diversify their economy attract more. US residents US employers US companies so in that regard. I think they'd be super super excited. With something like Crypto Frontier Dot Org and any other economic development. Well I've always said if I could have come here in two thousand six when I first moved here You know back when there is a lot of civil disobedience and kind of outside the system Direct Action Activism going on here that of course polarize people and some people really loved it and some people hated it Even within the Libertarian Movement. I said well if I could have come here and help. People get wealthy with crypto currency. Back then I would have done that. but cryptocurrency didn't exist when we moved here wasn't until two thousand and nine and we moved in two thousand and six. So I'm doing that now. I'm doing a lot of the things you've talked about doing. In the Mariana islands were running a local ad campaign on local broadcast radio. Here in the area to introduce people to crypto currency We're doing giveaways giveaways every single month. Were doing a five hundred dollar Crypto giveaway to those very same radio listeners. So if they if they create a wallet I'll give him crypto currency suggest for creating the wallet and then they're entered into a monthly giveaway where they could win you know a five hundred dollars worth of crypto and that's been going on now for several months since the summertime and actually for the last two two years you've been doing various different types of Crypto giveaways and of course we've got all these businesses accepting crypto currency here in the area. Which you've you've been a couple of them In the short time that you've been here Alexander Zander so I mean. This is all doable. And we've managed to pull this off with I would say no more than a dozen crypto activists in this area if you could really create a place which was truly trying to attract crypto people from day one. I think you could have something yen not to mention. The people of the Marin islands are used to adding new payment processors are there except to we chat pay Ali. Pay Right. It's an international hub. So you've got all these folks from China that WanNa pay with their Chinese payment exactly so they're used the mobile payments and stuff already so it'd be much easier to implement it there than somewhere else if nothing showing the economic reason to do it. They're definitely open minded. Hi to pretty much anything. Well because that's one of the problems that cryptocurrency Sol's for people is if you can get crypto currency to take hold somewhere no longer. Is it really. As much of a problem to change. Between between one crypto and or one now encrypted but from Fiat to Fiat. It's it's a challenge whereas if everybody you know from China brings in Bitcoin people from the US bring in Bitcoin. Everybody can just spend bitcoin point. Well that's a good thing but what it probably in the in term people are going to need to do some kind of banking some kind of transfer of some level of there aren't many banks on the island. What's the What's the banking laws? The idea I've looked a little bit. That banking laws what it would take to create a bank. It's about half a million dollars and About ten ten pages of forms so that some of the lowest. I've seen anywhere in the country. I don't think they even have credit union on the island. I was looking at that. No they have have A few banks. They have banned saying Hawaiian Bank your US ATM cards and stuff all work. It takes dollars. I can use checks from Your Bank of America Wells Fargo or whatever but a Lotta businesses also take the Chinese yuan Yeah they'll take the alley pay. We chat pay which is usually denominated arm. Be What can continue here. You've got questions jump on the line right now. Eight fifty five four fifty free Thanksgiving Day edition. 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We'll get a small concrete room with a bathroom in a bet. Okay so a single basically. Yeah I do I You know you apply. McDonald's minimum wage. What kind of jobs are there? Is there anything. In the electric like geothermal all or Renewable energies sector. Yeah there's A lot of federal tax credits for solar. So there's a company Micronesia's solar there I know is working in the solar industry. There's been some Research into geothermal and it's very promising but you'll need to have some capital all to invest in that geothermal never work in a volcanic island. Is there a volcano nearby. These are all islands windsor. Volcanic are they volcano nearby. The northern island say evacuated like thirty years ago because there is a potential volcanic eruption. And so there's definitely a geothermal energy yeah Healthcare help your work. Yeah there's a a hospital on the island of Science Pan. The other two islands have urgent care clinics and healthcare's more horrible than the US. When I was there I went with someone? Don't want to the emergency room. They got stitched up and it was about three hundred bucks all that which is pretty cheap. That is pretty cheap. What's that GonNa run you in the US stitches? I five grand resounding. Yes that I mean. Yeah if the CO pay for emergency rooms going to at least five hundred and that's before they even do anything that the problem is in the US when you're talking pricing is is that it gets very complicated are you. You know depends on where you go. It depends on whether you're paying cash or you have insurance and you know a whole bunch of things and it's also in the region. Medical Tourism Asia's many many top destinations from South Korea. If you're looking at plastic surgery you want that k pop look going on. I know pretty cheap place to go so it's a short hop over to all kinds of really good medical care whether Hong Kong I I want to more than a thirteen year old Asian. Hey love it but no. There's really good hospitals over in in those places right. Yeah and there's also Guam the most urgent cases to Guam because there's a military base there so they can handle it. Forty five minutes flight came. I was the surf away. I I'm not a surfer myself so I'm not sure I know there's snark snorkelling jet skis and all the other water sports. But I can't speak to surfing. They had a hurricane not too long ago right so I imagine the surf was really up. Then yeah they we can move forward And then I had one more question. Alex have you never read wars of racket by smedley Butler. No tell me about it. It goes deep. I suggest you put it on your list to read and time it's short. Yeah it's short I would like a booklet written a very colloquial sort of English style smedley Butler was the well arguably the most he was was the most decorated marine in. US history and he revealed that basically the whole military is a fascist fascist force four corporations in the United States. I obviously there's some major wars that fly in the face of that but still nonetheless you know. He has a very unique look at things. Well if funding the wars is an issue for you the Marin on this is a great place place all the taxes are caps local in the island. They don't go the treasury. And there's NO SWAT team or National Guard on the dealer so your mind is religious is going to community purposes. Is there a state police or is it just like the city cops Ya there's just a city cops okay so no state police. Nothing like that no matter how many there's counties right yeah. They're to`real districts and that's the island each island is a sanatorium representatives Within the the legislature. So you mentioned mentioned. There's nine senators. What about the representatives? I believe there's eighteen okay. And most of them are in Saipan about ninety. Two percent of the population is in the main ISO. The representatives are based on population. But the senators are three per island. Yes very similar to the. US system at the federal level. They wanted each I learned to be represented. Is there a lieutenant governor. Just the governor. There is a lieutenant governor and he takes charge. If the governor's off the island. Are they elected together or separate their elected together. Okay Interesting Steve. Any other questions for Alexander while you're on the line. Thanks very much research reaper. Thomas Yeah if you have any questions post on our celebrated our slash crypto frontier. Very cool. Thank you for the call. Steam Marianna M. A.. Are I am a they just one in. Yeah one hour one hour. Thanks Steve for the call tonight I appreciate hearing from you and so yeah. You've just launched this website crypto frontier. Dot Org I know you'd mentioned maybe doing telegram Chat Group at some point to kind of bring people together. 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Nothing in sight pan or any any of the rest of the Northern Mariana Islands There's no crypto vending machines out there. So you're really starting from zero and that's why this is the Crypto frontier. You're looking for people who are willing to take on this adventure Getting out into this place which you know is actually fairly welcoming. It sounds like there are people pull out there that want economic activity to be brought to this place. It's part of the United States it's the US territory so if you already living in the US legally Lee you can just move there if you are elsewhere in the rest of the world. That's one of the biggest challenges with the Free State. Project is international migration. You can't do it basically it's near. What are the challenges? As well as some of the best weather in the world right the most consistent weather in the entire on the entire planet at one Guinness World Record for that Basically Nice Nice and warm all year round And so you know you've got a real opportunity here Alexander. We've asked you a lot of questions. Were not not quite to the end of this show and obviously I invited you to ask me originally when you came here to kind of pitch me on this. I said well you said well. Should you come on before for you move or after you move I said well you should do both So I said come on before you make the move that way you can kind of pitch the idea and then once you move you should definitely call in from the Mariana on islands. kind of like tell us about life you know. What's it like there? Tell us some stories you know how how you doing settling in. Just Kinda give us the experience because we're not going to neither do it So we'll have to rely on you to do that so I want to say. Thanks for joining us but are there some questions that maybe we should have asked you or some things that you wanted to cover about. The Mariana Arianna islands. That maybe we didn't ask you about yes. Sure I think it might be good to give some of our listeners idea of what the experience of going to the Mariana onces this is like okay. Gone there for few weeks. Yeah I've gone there to separate times One time I went through Seoul the other time I went through Hong Kong. Now were you coming from the US before Seoul in Hong Kong meaning or did you were you in Hong Kong staying there for a little bit so you. I'm I'm asking you to go through Hong Kong Customs and stay in Hong Kong and then go I came the first time from China. I went from Beijing to Seoul the Mariana Islands already in Beijing. Already and I figured Oh. Let me check out the Mariana Islands. So I was actually going with my Chinese business partner. That's why I was in Beijing and his flight got canceled So so I ended up going alone and I was kind of freaking out. Oh No what am I gonNA do the rental cars in his name. He's been here before he knows what's going on. And and he told me relax. It's not like we're in America anymore. It's free house like what do you mean. Like what are we gonNA do with the rental car and everything. He said. Just go the airport for parking lot. Here's a license plate number the keys under the seat and I was like Oh are you joking I might just going to go there and be strategies like no. I'm serious so I get off the plane. The weather's beautiful everything is picturesque. Says can be and there's the car keys underneath it now just getting like it's that easy Yeah I always just my mind was blown. I never experienced anything like that and I later learned that the rental car place and even ask for license license or prefer insurance. How any of that this? Yeah you want to go off the car go ahead. So where did you go from there. Did you stay at like an AIRBNB era hotel. Where did you Did you stay for that week or two or whatever yeah I stayed at a hotel. I paid using mobile payment. We chat pay mother Marna Orlands. It's very into mobile payments. You could pretty much. How did you get a we chat pay? Because isn't that just for Chinese people which I pay anyone can get it really the easiest easiest ways. If you have a Chinese bank account you can sign up very easily. Because I think I tried to do it because I was. I was looking at local dot. BITCOIN DOT COM and I wanted to try buying from somebody in Asia and I tried signing up. I think I tried something for that. And Ali pay and they just would not take my. US Credit Cards. They WANNA use a bank account primarily. You can sign up for both. It's a little challenging much easier if you're in China Marina is might help a little bit because they do a lot of payments over there. There's a lot of business have been going through there so you stayed at a hotel like what what class hotel like five star three star. I'd say it's about a three and a half star in between three and four and it was about sixty five dollars. I paid in in our EMBI so I've heard night. Yeah per night and it was about above five minute walk from the beach. McDonald's so is a pretty perfect for me. Wake up go to McDonald's get your egg mcmuffin. Eat It on the beach. Just look at the the water in the waves and the other beaches white-sand. It's really interesting. They have all types of beaches. They've white-sand beach. She yellow sand they also have different color. Water part of the island is the east coast. Navy blue water that you'll see in the New Hampshire coast or Massachusetts Coast The other half of the island is greenish. Blue tourquoise tropical water so they have a a mix of fifty nine so they pretty much everything tame. Well hold that thought until more the story let's bring Rudy on. He's listening to K talks in Arizona. Rudy you're on with Alexander. Thank you so much for someone to go and retire. I'm studying being You know I don't have that much that long to live in the it's a retirement community though. Yeah there's Some retired veterans and others who come out there. I would caution against anyone who has serious healthcare needs. It's it's a population fifty thousand. So the you're not gonNA have the same world-class House hospital. You might have a major metro like New York City Boston in La. But if you're in pretty good health you're pretty self sufficient you don't need anything serious It's a beautiful place. There's very low taxes you can travel around the region There's lots of beautiful women if you're still single iguanas forty five minutes away. Guam's a forty forty five minute flight away. The Brown snake does not familiar with the species of snake. I've never heard anything about it but I'm not sure whether or not it's because my ignorance doesn't exist. I read somewhere that the browns making long was was really is going to be a time anyway. the United States. Yes party vote. You can vote Locally League but not federally. Now that's actually interesting question so you can't vote for the presidential election people there don't care about it they care. They voted in the primary. They get pick the vote for the president matters. Anyway I mean if you're voting for the president in California I have I have news for you all your delegates going to the Democrat. I don't even the Democrat is but I know that the California delegates are going for the Democrat this year really. I don't know if he had more if you did. You're welcome to hang throw a couple more questions here. for Alexander Gorge from the Crypto Frontier Frontier Dot. Org more free talk live coming up. Hunters enters anglers campers and survivalists. Get back to nature. 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Snake there is a story aury from US GS DOT Gov saying Brown tree steak snake rapid response team was deployed decide pan which is the capital island there at but The Mariana Islands. So apparently there were a couple of snakes Spotted are two reports back in two thousand sixteen these things invasive. But it's not terribly venomous us to mildly venomous but is known for eating a bunch of Scorpion sting or something like it's these things. Apparently do some serious damage to the native and glomming has had a problem for years. Actually a gender Is Twenty dollars a month enough to live in. Yeah for sure give you the mind. The median income is fifteen thousand dollars a year. So you'll be above the median. You'll they keep up with the Joneses. Yeah and expensive to be in or shipped in or yeah. Yeah it depends very much on the food. There's a local cattle ranches and some other meats. You can get locally. Those are pretty cheap. But I if you on like box walks food that's going to be more expensive because I be flown it. So if you're fine with the local vegetables and meats and fruits all those will be quite cheap but if you need to have your Doritos you're you know no frosted flakes all those are GonNa be inflated prices. What's it like to like going out to eat at a local restaurant? Did you go to any local. Get some local flavor. What are you gonNA lay down for for a meal? There yet the The local flavors little interesting. I'd say almost at this point. Local flavor includes many of the the Asian foods as well because there is such a large Asian population like half the island right. Yeah I mean maybe maybe even more than that if you include both Philippines Chinese and Koreans altogether. There's a ton of restaurants from all those places. It was also occupied by the Japanese knees for a few decades. So there's some good Japanese restaurants as while the food selection is extremely diverse. Especially for a place of these people you you can get pretty much any type of food you want there. And it's generally pretty affordable although they do have five star hotels if you WANNA you know really go hardly down. Yeah Yeah Rudy any other questions. One more time for one more from you Bert to Australia. I'm not sure about Australia. Hi It's four and a half hours to Hong Kong about three and a half to Tokyo and about four to Seoul one thing's for sure you're a lot closer to Australia and the Mariana Islands anywhere else in America America. Hey thanks for the call tonight from you. Let's go to another call in Arizona. Olivia is on the line. Go Ahead Olympia you're on with Alexander. Gorging thanksgiving is an awesome topic It really does kind of like a paradise I was Gonna ask what the last caller asked about about. How much you you would expect to pay per month in bills and various expenses like thump service? It's so all very variable depends where you live. How you live so in regards to cell phone about forty bucks a month should get you five? Gigs of Lt. The unlimited calls and texts Rent can vary from his lowest two hundred and view on a three bedroom three bath villa with ocean views looking about twenty five hundred so even at the high end. It's pretty cheap much cheaper than Hawaii or some other similar the beautiful islands all right but that doesn't sound bad. Then there's kind of everything in the middle as well. Yeah if you can think of it. It's there there's the a five star hotels are the one star hotels dormitories where there's eight workers all in one room. There's hostels there's bed and breakfast. There's a huge variety of offerings and depending on which is you can go it can be even cheaper. Siobhan is the the most in demand for housing because it's the major economic center center but if you work online for example you can get hundred. Meg Internet Living Tinian. Have a house. Five minute walk from the beach for two hundred dollars a month in rent for a one bedroom sounds real nice. I was wondering the culture was really laid back but Would you say that they're like really religious. They're really conservative. And what is their due besides like touristy thing number like the culture is is pretty diverse member there's people from all over. A large percentage of the island is in the native population or even American citizens so the the Chinese culture is different than the Korean Culture Filipino culture and the tomorrow the local Pacific Islanders. So there's a huge variety variety. Is there any clashing between them. You know I've always heard that like you know the Koreans might not like the Chinese or vice versa. Or whatever Japanese is that I would say the There's one little clash I've picked up on is that There's some envy of the Chinese tourists that they mostly like to go to Chinese businesses So so some of the local business owners feel Chinese Torres. They only go to Chinese hotels Chinese restaurants Chinese tour groups Chinese everything so they don't get a large portion of the revenue but in terms of everything else. Those businesses to target for Crypto then need more revenue. That's one of the things that They said in in Tokyo about some of the places that are taking bitcoin cash. Some of them they want the business. So that's why they start taking cryptocurrency. Yeah it's it's very similar learn to Many a small towns in America. There's sports teams baseball soccer tennis. All the traditional American sports people love to to go see their kids play There's if you like to play sports yourself you can compete in the The Micronesian game. So you can be a professional athlete. I'd pretty low level compared to you would in the US so There are some people who move over there just to compete in the professional sports league. So there's a huge variety variety of culture and opportunities pretty similar arts. Say to any other town in America any other questions Olivia well. I'm just wondering aren't they. Asian cultures are they ultra conservative. Like they are at home or do they kind of relaxed. They're kind of on island time and there are other things but it's not really it's hard to speak on the conservativeness of the island because it's it's very different. They don't have have the Democrat. Republican Bipartisan situation. That we have the Republican Party in the Marin islands both legalized weed and imposed a very restrict. Gun Control Bill. So it's it's really strange. It doesn't have the traditional conservative liberal paradigms that we have here I will say that abortion is currently illegal which is because no one's challenged it out they pull that off. Yeah so that that maybe hints that there is a a little bit of conservatism. But it's it doesn't seem to be particularly religious. Hang the same time. There's a lot of weed smoking. Yeah so it's it's not like I'm in Texas right now. The religions very important there. I don't get the same feeling that it's as important there but I think they are conservative on a couple issues perhaps also abortion might be an example but overall I mean they have high immigration legal. We'd legal gambling so that also points that they're they're not too conservative conservative on certain issues. Welcome Olivia thanks for the call tonight definitely appreciate hearing from our sub. Read it if you have more questions you can ask them. There are slash crypto frontier. Yeah like I said this is just getting started. The suburbs has three members. So you really are getting it on the ground ground floor of this things. You're looking for input you're looking for ideas. You looking for feedback on what. You've got proposed whatever's on the site this is just your initial kind of brain dump right like this isn't a first officially firm down or anything like that. Yeah it's sort of open source in a way. We're looking for feedback from the community or anyone else who has ideas or suggestions. We want this project to be successful. You WanNa take crypto to the next level. I want all those things too and I'm excited. I think you guys have something that sounds really Really interesting here and I hope you'll keep in touch with us Especially after you move so definitely want to hear from you. We'll get you on our discord server. It'll sound really nice and you can kind of tell us what's going on. I think the easiest thing to do is to go to Crypto frontier dot. 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After guiding Cleveland to a franchise franchise record sixty six. Wins Cleveland. One at least fifty games in four of his first five seasons with the Cleveland Cavaliers. One thing I know about you who is that you were born in Columbus Ohio. But you spend a lot of time in Germany. Your Dad was an Air Force Guy and I've talked to other athletes that come from military family like I. Hi Did as well. There is something about growing up in a military family that I think is different than any other experience for other kids. Can you help me out here and understanding it. Ima- Yeah there's there's no doubt you know the first thing is I think because you travel so much and you're in so many different Countries states have you WANNA call it. You gotTA constantly Make new friends. 'cause you're changing schools Y- get cultured real quickly cause you come across a lot of cultures and then also going into experiences As an adult. There's nothing fearful about it. You know making new friends. There's nothing fearful about right because you had to do it. Your whole life going up with your parents up being in the military and moving so much so You know that moving Tends to be a a pain in in your mind when you're young. But it pays off huge dividends As you grow because there are a lot of experiences that you lean back or fall back on awed from your time in the military time growing up in the military can help you going forward and I think also it makes you more adaptable. I know you're gonNA agree with that because of what you just said. And also the cultures it opens your mind. What did you learn from that experience that you still apply today in your life for me any business that you're in it's all about relationships and I know that moving from school to school growing growing up I if you wanted to stay involved and you know different activities at the school and different sports teams and you want it to have friends you had to figure out how how to develop licensed relationship quickly because you could possibly be in a location just for a year and then moving again sometimes two years. And you're moving again so so you know the relationship aspect is something that I always found was in unique thing because when you go from schools school usually the the culture and the school or the way of thinking with most of the kids in the schools a little bit different than the one. That's just came on so you had to be able to figure out how to paddler get new relationships quickly and foster those into long-term feels. I know you're someone who is very exact in what you they do. Very organized and the discipline and organization that comes from a military upbringing I think is also something that has affected you. Am I right about that observation. Yeah that's correct my dad With him being in the military for twenty six twenty seven years. He's very disciplined. A lot of different ways ABC's extremely organized With whatever he does and that is rubbed off on me quite a bit almost a point where I have a little bit of. OCD OCD blaming. My milquet father on a lot of things it takes his time doing as accurate or correct as it could be your son. Elijah said he'll never admit he has obsessive compulsive disorder. But he really does. How does that? Because I'm the same same way. I have to have pencils in line if I see something on the floor. I can't walk away from it so I know exactly and I think it was the military background because I think you know as well as I I do Mike. I've said this publicly before the greatest discrimination I have ever found has been in the military because you know if you're a noncommissioned officer you live in NCO housing if you're the office will wreck you live in officer housing you have an officers club you have an NCO club. And I think that record rubs off on you a little bit I no doubt it it does rub off on you and you know I. I'm glad it did because it's helped me tremendously in my career. I I tell people when when people have asked me. Well how you've gotten experiencing this that and then reached a level that she attained. And actually you know everybody was smart. And there's probably a lot of people way smarter than I am but I know I'm a driver and if something doesn't feel right I haven't exhausted all of the options of something that I'm trying to you. Learn or get better and then I'll keep at it and and that to me is a testament of of going up in the military just being persistent just having a certain dry to be of accomplished. Whatever task is in front of you and I credit that To My dad and while you're doing that being organized organized definitely helps so even if you may not know what you're doing at least looks like at least it looks like you know what you're doing. I know you didn't play pro basketball. So then how would you describe your path to pro basketball courts. It lucky blessed. You WanNa call it that I went to one pre season as an NBA game prior to work in NBA. My entire time growing up and and When I got University of San Diego Hey hey coach coach Real about head today at four on my last road trip as a as a senior took before and a half years to graduate I was going to work as a graduate but assistant last semester At my schooling and then try to get into law school I wanted to be a lawyer. stopped by coaches office. And on the it's coffee table was USD magazine and on the front cover of the US. Magazine was Bernie bickerstaff. I I was a little surprised by but I read read the article and low behold I found out not only did Bernie play. USD back in the day but he coach Dad. You went from there to being assistant coach in the pros and so long story I short. My coach ended up getting an intern and unpaid internship. Hanging ended up getting in. I'm paid internship with party that summer and I I went out. Parents took care of me financially. I just love being that. The new summer very called me in his office he used to call me young buck for the longest. He still does every once in a while but Come into the office game check for fifteen hundred dollars and offered the job as video coordinator misery. I turned it down and Because you ask why today to finish school and USC was paying for my tuition so he had the system coaches. Do the video work until I got back out there. I think the semester which was chasing. And that's how I started my career the U. of coached with an for Gregg Popovich. Rick Carlisle Bernie bickerstaff and Steve Kerr in in your observations of those head coaches. What is it? That's common with them. What is it that makes them good? What is it that makes it possible for them to be head coaches and pro basketball asking ball? Two things they have grapes feel Not necessarily all of them for the game but they have a great feel a group which is which is a unique A unique thing to have again no matter what business you're in it's about relationships and they have a unique censoring. You feel for the entire not just two or three guys on a team or one or two assistant coaches which is by the entire team coaching staff plus the front office and then they all have great communication skills. They're all able to communicate but very well their thoughts whether it's about XS and os on the court stuff off the court stuff They able to communicate their thoughts very well. Were whoever whoever they around. You know as well as I do my that. There is a real challenge. I mean it's one thing to be an assistant coach. You're closer to the players. You communicate a little bit more with them and maybe a head coach does the head coach is a step away. He relies on his assistance. How hard is it to make that step from Assistant to head coach coach? You know it's bigger than what people think in in mainly because you don't you have a lot more responsibility. You are a lot more things to worry about. I know as a head coach. Most of the Times you you're responsible for bringing your entire staff and with the size of the staff nowadays that could be at the five coaches and pre player development guys and you know two or three video coordinators and scout and you know basketball asphalt guys. That's roughly ten to twelve people that you could be possibly Responsible for bringing in and you know you always worry about if if something goes wrong which is an NBA. It's similar to a growing up or working in the military you know that there's nothing that's forever and NBA. Ah Being Gregg. Popovich is a unique thing Being even the Intel taxes unique thing but the long term stays coaches in the NBA. Base cannot existence. No you're moving every three years. Well as a head coach. I you know you don't want that day to come I'm not necessarily for you because financially You're well taken care of but for all the people all of the families that you brought to this new city or to this new team and so that's constantly in the back of your head and and knowing that and knowing you gotTa Win and knowing GonNa be individual problems off the floor individual visit problems on the floor team problems in both directions. There's just a lot more to deal with. You don't necessarily have the time then. In the system coach may have to foster individual individual relationships with certain guys on the team very insightful conversation with a very talented coach Mike Brown he has been a head coach in the NBA. Two occasions twice with Cleveland. Even once with the Los Angeles Lakers fine defensive specialist as well assistant coach with the Golden State Warriors. We continue across the country and around the world. 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A coach establishes himself to get the respect that he needs to have so that they will listen to him when he is coaching them. That's always a very unique nick situation. Give me some insight to that. Mike I tell you what the biggest thing that you have to in my opinion be with a group of NBA players. And I'm sure it's this way across the board as you have to be upfront and honest and most of these guys are extremely competitive individuals and more than money for most of them not all of them more than money they WanNa win and they WANNA win at a high level because they don't all of their peers have money but not all all of their peers have championship rings or not all of their peers have success in the NBA at a high level. And so they want to be able to walk around like most of us with with the chest puffed out just a little bit Knowing that they are the cream of the crop and that is a good group of guys to be the cream of the proper crop. So I if you're honest and upfront with most NBA players looking him in that. And you're trying to do the right thing for the group that Garner's their respect which will allow you to coach them. I think and this is an observation on my part so feel free to correct me. If you think I'm wrong you have coached some of the NBA's greatest this player. Is Kobe. Bryant Lebron James Shack Dwight Howard steph curry and Kevin Durant and. I think everybody pretty much knows that. You don't treat everybody equally on your roster. I mean you have to accommodate you have to interact with them in different ways because they have different egos different personalities. I find that area professional sports and Professional National Basketball to be fascinating when you coach those types of players. How did you approach that type of challenge? Hit it right on the head. You can't coach everybody's the same You can't Have everybody do the same thing. But you have to be consistent and fair with what you do and and again most guys intelligent guys. They have an understanding. How this thing works But if a guy like that is not doing his job you have to make sure you let him know in and sometimes in front of the group in order to not only continue to coach him and help him get better and get his re respect but most importantly to get the rest of the group's respect respect. I never forget when I went to San Antonio as an assistant coach like first year there we were three games into the regular season and something having turn the ball over it was. Tim Duncan to turn the ball over and pop called a time out right way and usually as coaches you don't to the free throw the huddle up but the players sit down take a breath talk about one another and then we get to. The coaching staff will pop. It comes to the free throw line. He went straight to the huddle. He put his tail right in front of me and he commenced the same. Timmy please please please please Ron. I was like It was like oh my gosh. I just moved to San Antonio and I'm about to get fired I'm scared to pop is just tearing me up and down left and right and semi respected him for it and the rest of the team did too because semi was wrong with what he did out on the floor floor in so pop needed to correct let me know and not only tim rescue teams so hopefully he could change what he did. Next time down the floor. was that a challenge. Challenge for you in Cleveland because the reports out of Cleveland was that Lebron wasn't particularly happy with you. I don't know whether those reports were true or not but I would think that when you have somebody of of the Stature of Lebron and maybe even Koby that you really have to be very careful when you take them on one. You don't WanNa embarrass them in front of their teammates and the other you're trying to get a point across across but yet you don't want to be malleable where they think that they can control you. stylone part about it. As far from the the truth I well I. I thought he was two years out of high school and he hadn't won anything at that point that and so he he was really yeah and really impressionable at that time Especially when we started reading right away our first year we went to the second round playoff so he went from being in day two years at a high school playing regular season. The season ended but first year we go to the second round and it was like that or almost every other Every other year that we were together together so he was very easy coach. He actually was the one that I put up on video more than anybody else. Because I want people to see that if if I could correct O'Brien and he had he can help the right way then for me. It was very easy to go. Tell them no Williams or droop gooding junior's L. Gaza. So whoever ever else. We're GONNA team what I thought they were doing. Wrong so You know being young at that time still being impressionable. for me. Ah John was a good thing. You know the other thing I've always heard and correct me if I'm wrong about this As far as the great players like the ones I mentioned. What's the commonality of them? Because Michael Jordan once said to me Mike he said when the game is on the line. Ron I WANNA be the one to determine the outcome if I fail. I'll take the blame blame. If I succeed I want the glory and I think you know in life. In general people are afraid sometimes to take the blame for something. Is that a commonality among all the great ones. Yeah well I I think. I think there's two things that are common amongst the Great Ones I. It's intelligence or feel you know either way there. Everybody that's been around and I thought it was a great play was extremely intelligent or had a great. Feel for for the game on both ends. And then a competitiveness or drive those two things those competitive ness or dry and then intelligence or feel those two things to me were common amongst all all the great there. There were some some places I've been around that were Great players that may not necessarily want to take the shot at the end of the game or or at times may not what the ball in the hands of the game but that that did not mean by no stretch that that they weren't great players or they're not great place likes but I I do think those are huge For somebody that already has some talent to be great. I take a look at the Golden State State Warriors of course winning a championship going to the finals and everything and how well they played setting a record for most wins in a season and I think back to the again Chicago Bulls when Michael was their their championship years. And I see a commonality but I'm really impressed with the warriors simply because the fact that they have so many quality players to be able we get them all to buy into the script and and be comfortable with it. It goes beyond what I saw with the Chicago Bulls the Bulls had Michael. They had Scottie. They had the worm them and then they had to cast of characters including Steve Kerr. How have they made it work on? How did they make it work with the Golden State Warriors you? Yeah I've been in this business. A long time affects us. Nineteen Ninety two and I've come across some great owners and You know guys that have ah done. Wonders not only for their teams like for for the cities and states. They've been in the two guys here. Peter and Joe they're fantastic owners Then you've got Bobby Myers and Steve Curse. I think it starts from the top and it trickles down and when you have quality people like that are leading Leading the organization that they tend to go fine quality people to be a part of it. And that's what they've done with with the players that they've assembled go to staff. You know you have guys like Steph Curry Klay Thompson. Kevin Durant TRAE migraine hundred dollar. I can go on and on with the type of then then there on this team or that the makeup of this team and it's easy especially once you become a part of it. It's easy to see. Why guys are concerned about their numbers or guys are extremely happy for their teammates or happy when we win and we play the right way So the the buying starting starting from top on down in basically ending with Steve. Because he's the one that has to manipulate all. This is very easy to cut the quality leadership. Ah Group that we have in quality people that are part of this organization. We have a little bit over a minute. Left a Mike and I wanna ask you mentioned. You're a defensive specialist. I remember member a conversation. I had with Dennis Johnson the late Dennis Johnson and I asked him about defense and I said Oh. Tell me what what makes it so good when you play it. Well he said it's an attitude sued. I said I wanNA let a guy guarding know that in the fourth quarter. I'm GONNA CLIMB INSIDE HIS Jersey and he's GonNa fight me off away isn't an attitude more than anything else for the great ones. And so when I look at some of the great guys on the defensive end I coached starting with Brain Bruce Bowen those got have a certain attitude that they know that they wanna let their opponent know that they're going to be inside their jersey. See for forty eight minutes and it's GonNa get harder as the game goes along and so for the great ones. Yes I think in their individual defense a couple of their team defense is about attitude but I think you can be a great team Defensive Unit If if you have five guys that are on the same page and that really WanNa help each other when things break down because guys are good and NBA stuff will break down and you gotta be. I don't know how to react to any type of breakdown that you have on the defensive floors group not as an individual but as a group Mike. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. I hope we have more of them and I also hope you'll come back at some point and spend more time with me here on sports byline. It's been just a very insightful. For me thank you Mike appreciate tape the call appreciate the time. Thank you Mike Brown again. Assistant with the Golden State Warriors. But he has been very successful. He is a very tenacious type of guy. He understands ends detail and he's a perfect head coach. 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Of course the former former head basketball coach at Louisville where he wants to NCWA championships one nine hundred eighty one thousand nine hundred eighty six and for his fine career. He's been inducted into the the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of fame and the College Basketball Hall of fame as well and then he tell me about the decision process to take the job at Louisville Bill. Yeah we were playing in Houston in the astrodome I think we played. I think it was committee Kansas State And and then which we beat and then we were playing Villanova Elza with Howard border and that group and and I got a phone call while I was at the hotel there from an a friend of mine who had who had been It was a retired colonel in the air force frank cushing from and he was a Bennett had been working on his doctorate degree in San Diego there and and he told me about Bill Walton and and I told him I'd be happy to come down in watching plate and and So when I did that Don't go through it and where I was going and then I got back the next day he asked me what did you think of of the Walton Young Man. I said well coach cheese the best high school player I've ever seen and so it gets up walks around. His desk ask goes over and closes the door to the hallway. And he says Danny don't be making stupid statement for anyone can hear yet. He says nobody would believe leave. The Red headed freckle faced kid in San Diego. That's the best player you've ever seen highschool player you've ever seen. I said well look coach. You didn't question me on some of these other guys that I've helped recruit I said Why would you question me? It's just not logical coat you and I both know everything is logical anyways it turns out guy finally got got him to go down and see him play and he didn't say a word. We jumped on a commuter plane with twenty minutes from La to San Diego and We get down. They had a barrier rope off so that the people and the storm on the coach wooden they had to get in line and he wouldn't sign autographs before the game at half time and then after the game he stayed inside a few But but he. I didn't say anything to just watch the game. And then we settle out of the coach him out the adore and and in the car and back to the San Diego airport had commuter run every hour and we jumped on a plane back the La Twenty minutes later. I took him in my. I was in my car and I came back to the university to get his scar. Said we both lived in the valley so we had to go over the hill. They're to the San Fernando Valley and and He didn't say a work till he started to get in his car and again he looked over at me and he said well he is pretty good. Isn't he and that was an accolade for Co two and 'cause he didn't like talking about individuals he like. I think that's one of the reasons he he didn't like recruiting is is The like to talk about individuals. It was a team game and he he likes to talk about teams and stuff. Well walkmans teams. I think beat teams by an average of fifty points a game they. I think it was like forty point. One to ninety point one The number points they gave up and the number of points they scored every game and then they just dominated everyone and So when I had the opportunity It was interesting. Walton in that group were not eligible eligible to play on the north because they were freshman freshman modell's book for the Bar St At that time. So we're down in playing in the championship game against Villanova. I got this phone call and this frank cushing who helped me with bill says Danny says I just got a job here at Louisville with Carl Abner who is their faculty rep to the NC Double A.. And he's wanted to talk to you about coming coming in and talking to them about the the Louisville job and I said why be happy too so I talked to him a while and and and I told him as soon as we got back to. La that I would call them and we could arrange You know for me to come back. How can and talk to him and When I got back there Kind of interesting and ah they had a thirteen member panel just fired questions me one. After another after another I talk. I answered their questions. Awesome thank them for the opportunity and when I walked out the door tactic men who was the athletic director. Who would then? The basketball coach is assistant Johndroe. When he retired coaching he jonrowe got the job he'd had a heart attack and also also When with the team there and So they told him that he couldn't coach anymore. So now Peck Hickman Amer. We're looking for a new coach and and Because a frank cushing who had was sharing a room into business school with Carl Carl Avenue was the factory Rep and chairman of the search committee and all that he just asked me. If I was interested in I said Yes yes oh I interviewed welcome. Pack came out the door and he says to me he said don't worry and he he says I think I'll be able to get you. fifteen maybe sixteen thousand and And I I didn't say it we're just finding And I'm thinking I make that at. UCLA assistant coach at. I know they're not paid very right. Well there compared to a lot of places but it's other gentlemen came out the frazier was One of their big supporters and a graduate of the University of Louisville School lost and Brown forman woman they lines of alcohol and things like that and anyway if it turns out by he got me a car and a membership in the country club and things like that so I would take the job and when I got there. They told me if I could control Jim. Price at that Was a starting guard on their game. They eight or nine seniors news on the team which I didn't know at the time but found out fairly soon and Once I got in there there are I had my office door opened income the first one that came and see me Jim Price and he said goats I'm looking forward to you. Coasting US and teaching us You know whatever it is that we can learn and he said well If that's okay with you whenever you want me to do you. Just tell me and it'll be done and I said that's that'd be great Jimmy. I'd appreciate that so he came to me and introduced uncuffed and at that point but I thought well you know the rest of them are like him. I said we won't have me in trouble. We didn't have any trouble. Lee ended up The first team that I coach making it to the final four so we did fairly well and I wish I could have coached that team a couple more more years. But it wasn't in the cards for that to happen. But let me interject something here denny. Because I do WanNa touch just briefly got a couple of minutes left but briefly. Can you talk about the two championship teams because nine thousand nine hundred eighty you became the NC double delay tournament champions after defeating your Alma Mater. UCLA fifty nine fifty four and then of course some six years later you pick up your second championship tell me about Out Those two teams briefly in a couple of minutes well They both had good athletes. a lot of them that we recruited ness weren't not necessarily great basketball players but they they learn they were good athletes that had great attitudes and they worked hard and they listened and they learned and they got better and better Winning the first one I guess is always the toughest and I didn't have any idea that at the beginning of the year we had Darrell. Griffith was a senior and he was our best player although we have some other players also and we would play UCLA and Market Square arena in Indianapolis which has since been torn down and At team was a good crossing team it was a team that love to play UPTEMPO and transition game was very good and we were really pretty darn good on the set end. Offensively Jews so And I devised some interesting set. Plays as some things for Them to run against zones and things and anyway it just worked out good and and we ended up scoring scoring. I think the last nine points of that game and Be Larry Brown was coaching. Ucla time and we we won that one and then in eighty six We had all different players And we but we ended up playing in the championships And we were in Dallas at reunion reunion arena and which also been torn down certain places that we have won? National Championships are no longer in existence so they but that team was Probably not quite as this could talent wise as the first one but they were they were good and they played really well together We ended up. We're having to win a couple of overtime games getting to the finals and But once we got that seemed like it was easier after we got them and it was getting there and just so worked out that We ended up Beating eating Duke in isn't that interesting that we had the play. Ucla and an eighty and Duke I guess neither one of those would be surprised. Anyone on that's who we had to play in had to beat to get connect championship and so it was. It was a fun experience Reinsen. I agree a lot with coach. Wouldn't says it's getting there is the is the biggest the most fun part of the glacier rather than but you do that you get there of course He won Most all of his and But we we were in six final wars and and had a goes to championship teams. Were obviously the highlight. I WanNa thank you very much for sharing your career and your life with us. You had such great success and I know what you mean about about coach would not wanting to recruit but you were responsible for many many of those players that went on and had great success with his coaching as well. And then you go onto Louisville for thirty years and did a wonderful wonderful job. There inducted into the Naismith Memorial Hall of fame and also the College Basketball Hall of fame as well those two national championships you know no. I think that that's a mark that you have to be very very proud of. Thank you very much for joining us here on Sports. byline thank you Ron. As I said he coached for Thirty Years at Louisville started in one thousand nine hundred seventy one and coach there for the next thirty years is teams went to final four six different times and in his first championship. Happy chip coming in one thousand nine hundred eighty when the cardinals became the NC Double A.. Champs after they defeated Ucla and then crumbs nineteen eighty national champions have been credited credited with popularizing. The high five and six years later Louisville would be duke seventy to sixty nine for a second title largely because of the talented it play of never nervous purvis allison and his calm demeanor earned him. 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He's been inducted into the Naismith Memorial Hall of fame in the College Basketball Hall of fame and he not only was an assistant coach John Wooden but he played for John Wooden as well. And if you take a look at his Louisville Harir career outstanding. He coached there for thirty years. He took his teams. The final four six different times and Mike Brown was with us as well fourteen years of NBA Coaching coaching experience. Both as a head coach and assistant and twice he was the head coach of the cavaliers. And also the head coach of the Lakers in his first stint with the cavs he led them to their first I ever. NBA Finals appearance was named the NBA coach of the year. I'm Ron bar good to have you along on sports byline. Hi this is Rick. That'll make sure to tune into I show titillating sports every Monday through Friday. And it'll be three hours from nine to noon on the West Coast noon to three on the east once again. Check me titillating. Sports every weekday on sports violent. 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I think you know who I'm talking about George George Karl Former NBA player coach and he is one of nine NBA coaches to have one eight thousand games his NBA. Coaching journey has been an interesting interesting one. He Played His College Ball Dean Smith North Carolina. And then he played five years in the NBA and the NBA with San Antonio the Spurs and in his NBA head. Coaching resume includes Cleveland. GOLDEN STATE SEATTLE MILWAUKEE Denver in Sacramento with that many cities. I think you can assume that some of those places places we're kinda rocky and it didn't work out particularly well and when he was here at Golden State The shine went off the globe required quickly when he was the head coach here as well. So we'll talk to him about that because he has a book out in which he's very candid about it. He talks about players in a way. I don't think you've ever heard a coach talk and the name of the book is called furious. George my forty years surviving. NBA Divas clueless. GM's and poor shot selection. That ought to tell you something right there and of course when you talk about the ultimate boys club. I think you'd have to probably say it's pro sports and maybe particularly the National Football Football League. Well that glass ceiling has been broken to some degree. Because Sarah Thomas is gonNA join us to kick the hour off. And she is a pioneer because on September thirteenth the thirteenth. Two Thousand Fifteen. She became the first full time female official an NFL history and her history-making game was between Kansas City in in Houston her hat. Whistle and flag from that game are now on display at the pro. Football Hall of fame and Thomas is football. Officiating career began in Nineteen Ninety six. She was the the first female to officiate a Division One. A high school football game that was in the state of Mississippi and she began officiating at the college level when she was hired led by conference. 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Female on field official in NFL history and and her history-making game was between Kansas City. And Houston her hat. Whistle and flag from that game are now on display at the professional football hall of fame in Canton. Take me back to the very beginning. Sarah tell me a little bit how you got interested in started doing football officiating. I'm going to tell you I've just been around sport. Brian Tire Life Consolo playing basketball and being involved in Organized Sports College. And after that I wasn't involved in anything and I had an older brother or had an older brother that was going to football officials meeting and so his ask the girls do that and he said I guess this and I bet him there and chantiers in to high school officiating then I was recognized by. Nfl Scout that got me with Your Own Austin Conference USA supervisor. He hires me. I get right back into the NFL developmental program which was phenomenal and in the NFL. HEARTBE in two thousand. The one thing I find interesting is is that women have a challenge in a lot of businesses but I would think in a male dominated business like like football on particularly a pro in football. You had some challenges along the way. Tell me a little bit about how you overcame them. Well I'll be honest. I think it's a bad set that I've just been raised on just my dad and my parents they never ever said of your girl. You can't do that. It was never I was never involved in anything like that and As far as the challenges for me the I was is the uniform it was it was awful. The white pants also get at the uniform to bit me was was quite the task but while it's a novelty to guys it wasn't to me because I was always around the guys I was playing. I played basketball. I play With my brothers you know the two in touch or tackle football at the five yard. I just it wasn't necessarily challenge for me than it may have been more of the challenge for the Guy I just never ever let anything like that. My gender or anything keep me back and they always treated me as a professional and I've always treated him as professional first time. You stepped on the field with a whistle around your neck ahead on a striped Jersey What were the the things that challenged you the most about being in that position Russian learning the game of football fan? You think you go I did not play the sport of course but And just learning I mean I I would go and watch a game and I do it. Such that was I needed to do what I wanted to do that. To understand a a numbering requirements on the Jersey. What those things that the number of players on the field Just I had to learn it from scratch. I'm just wondering knowing how complicated the game is at any level because you have to see something you have to recognize something you have to make a decision about something and then you have to make the call about it. That is a rhythm type of thing. Is it not Sarah. How long did it take you to get comfortable with that rhythm? Well you know you do you get into a routine tain I mean. Listen it's not just the day of the game itself. I mean we get into a routine for the time we leave our house so the time we get home. It is such a routine chain but it's just complete focus and get into the rhythm. There's there's plenty of ups and downs during the Games but it's just not losing focus. Something happened the the last place you can't you can't hold onto you gotta keep moving forward and there's just a focus that you have when you're out there working the game Sarah. You began high school football officiating in one thousand nine hundred ninety six and then you moved onto conference. USA and now the National Football League. What were the differences at those three levels of officiating the game because because my friends in the National Football League always tell me that when they went from college to the NFL the thing that struck them was the speed of the game but for an official for somebody like like you? WHO said that? You didn't know anything about football. What was it that those three levels? Well I can tell you at the high school level. It was getting to understand the game the spirit of the rules. The just rolls knowledge getting plugged into the system. Now football football. We have eleven on eleven always land on one hundred yards bill to end zone and we have four quarters. I mean all of the basics are still there but at each level the college level. The athletes become Of course better and then at the National Football League you have the best athletes in the world and the Yes it is definitely there here. But as far as my physical Maybe some of the things with with being rookie coming in is just getting gang to slow down to make sure I'm in the right position to like the call and of course every year is just ruled Polish. There's constant changes of the rules and the emphasis on certain things so that those I was just things that you just h year is just a learning process but really the basic footballer. Still there one of the things I do know you were part of the NFL's development program and a lot. The people don't know about that when it comes to officiating tell me a little bit about the NFL's development program or they started three years ago. I believe where they initially had like. Twenty one officials that came in and we we were we were able to go to the clinic to see what the NFL clinic was about. Then we were able to work Your your preseason games go to training camp minicamp And just have the preseason game was great. It's the Mbacke setting for start to finish like I said the whole routine from leaving your house. Arriving at the city for the game is going to be played and going through free game and going to dinner and like enough the next morning and just going through all of those rituals and routine thank and then getting to the game side and seeing what happened three hours before the kick and then actually being able to work a game In the developmental program pre pre season game was so instrumental. And just getting you prepared for one to speed and and just being at the level of the National Savelli. How did you deal with the fear of making a mistake? Well I'll tell you what we all make mistakes You'RE GONNA have failures in life if you're not perfect we're not perfect even though we strive to be perfect in the officiating world. We just don't and I don't look at them as the failure that just look at them learning up day-to-day taste of. What can I do? DIFFERENT DOTS of state over and over again. I know there's a lot of talking that goes onto the field and some even with the officials as well when you got into into the League Did players come up to you. What did they share with you? Did you have some laughs along the way in those early years. Well yeah of course you know. One of the biggest last was in college when I said I was started talking. All the guy has returned. That goes that's a woman that was that was quite comical but with the guys in the NFL l.. It literally has sent a players. Come up and said is just an honor to be with you on the field. Congratulations coaches at told me. You have no idea my daughter now. I think they know more about football than I do. Because of you. And so it's just been very Tori and very positive Sarah when you take a look at these great athletes. So what is it that you see in them. Because you didn't know anything about football that you really do appreciate I can tell you you can just look at somebody somebody until when they have the it factor and The guys in the National Football League all do I mean I. I played sports and You know I'm not GonNa say that I had it's actor but and saying time seeing my two Boys Grow Up and played baseball. And you're comparing them to other fifteen two and thirteen year olds and he just wanted to have the inspectors. That's just how it is in the national football league. They had the inspectors. They're phenomenal. You know it's interesting. I have a quote here from mm you say. Refereeing has been a part of my children's lives ever since they've been here so this is just what mom does. How long did it take them to get used to what mom does? I don't know necessarily it's like get up and I go to work. They gotta work. They've got to go to school. I go to a game on the weekend. Came on. We love you and of course they call me or whatever. Didn't they know there's Times that I cannot talk. And they don't get upset about it. They just they just understand. It's just a part of their life. I know along the away when I've talked to athletes and almost any sport especially rookie athletes. They always talk about the person that kind of took him under their wing in the early days of being a pro baseball player football player player basketball. Whatever it might be in your case? Does that happen. In pro football from an officiating standpoint are there officials who kind of mentor and bringing along. When you're your career yes and they yes? You cannot make it without a mental. I think he can't make it in life eerie without someone having a positive talk your life. Hi and Gerald Austin was huge and hiring the of course the supervisor and then they were guideline is Wayne Winkler and Tony Buyer and conference. You say that they were. They're like my brothers and Dan here at the NFL. I've I've had a great partnership with Jeff Bartman Workman he's been in the NFL for twenty six years and Probably one of the best of the best line of Scrimmage Guy In the National Football League is there a particular moment Sarah in your officiating career. Anyway that When you think back on it you smile a little bit and you'll never forget? Yeah April the eight a two thousand fifteen fifteen when I got the call that was wonderful being hired into conference you and say that was. That was great and I'm just going to tell you every game every game I look at no gain in a different. They're all great opportunities and they're all big today as they are the players. The coaches on the field. I WanNa thank you Sarah for joining us here on Sports byline talking about your career and I'm happy for you because I think women bring something to everything but particularly sports that maybe we we haven't had before you're welcome here anytime on Sports Byline Take Care Sarah. Thank you so much Ron by by Sarah Thomas with us again and on September thirteenth. Two thousand. Some fifteen she became the first full time female on feel official in NFL history. We continue with more of you and sports byline are you an active stock market investor. Will then you know these three keywords buy sell hold those three magic words can make or lose you money in the stock market. What have we can show you at? time-tested tool has been helping. STOCK MARKET INVESTOR SUCCEED FOR OVER THIRTY YEARS. It's called all vector fast and amazing system designed to make smart investing easy. The vector vest system analyzes sorts and ranks over nineteen thousand Stocks Fox. 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Here's Rod Bar George Karl joins us on sports byline former NBA player and coach. And he's one of nine. NBA Coaches to have won a thousand games his NBA. Coaching journey has been a very interesting one. He Played His College Ball for Dean Smith at North Carolina and then played five years in the Aba and the NBA with the San Antonio Tonio Spurs and his head. COACHING RESUME INCLUDES CLEVELAND GOLDEN STATE SEATTLE MILWAUKEE Denver and Sacramento and George. I've known for a good long period of time. And he knows how to coach and he certainly knows how to speak his mind and when it comes to speaking his mind he certainly did do that with his new book called Furious George My forty the years surviving NBA Divas clueless. GM's and poor shot selection and George. We've known each other for a long time and I was not surprised to see you write a book or even the title but tell me why you decided to write a kind of take no prisoners book. I think I went into that. My C- excerpts heard I was reading the book itself. I think it's a positive journey through my career and I do go often on talking about the game. Take the game from what what I felt. Were I feel. I think too many times like he did a coach on. TV's filtering about seventy five percent of what he's saying because he's protecting his teams that prepare for the next game and you got to rally troops and but in the same sense I think filter is sometimes. The truth is not the best thing and I wrote this book justice show. My frustration of the game has been great. I I've had some great riles in Wallison. Finding the game by smoking names and friendships are unbelievable. And the also there are things about the name that drives coaches as you know it's frustrating. I know because since I've known you for a long time right after you got let go With the Golden State Warriors. I remember the dinner that we had and I could see it in your face. I could hear it in your voice. Tell me a little bit about how your coaching philosophy. An outlook on basketball. The ball was developed I think it started of course if North Carolina Being Smith I played in the Aba days. I liked the game game a little bit. More than the speed of the game that three-point shooting the entertainment factor very white and blue ball and mascots and stuff stuff like that was more a base in there may be. MBA's Bob Doug though not Don Nelson del wears those guys probably touched me as much as anybody and written on the on the college side along the days go away and so you know. I'm a basketball guy. I love the game families about small family. My my daughter is married to a high school girl. Social Olympia Olympia. Washington and my phone was coaching the team in La La Defenders. George when you take a look at the game was the point that it kind of changed a little bit as when the big money really came into it the combination of maybe the TV money the big money and The evolution of the game with the three point shot. I think those two are probably the dynamic changes were all of a sudden you know man it was having trouble getting on TV and now they're on TV every night And and the and the other. I think it would be my top top list. The three point shot early in the NBA days birds. No one shot at now. Everybody's shooting and people think probably shooting giving you much right now. The other thing I find interesting is that I think became a time. Maybe when the money started coming into George that it went from being You basketball and from a technical standpoint to being more entertainment in my correct in that observation entertainment business you know all. Also I'm everything is based upon how to make money Out early days in the NBA owners own church immunity service now now owners on it because it's big businesses of all a billion dollar business and so that she that change where you know sometimes times my owner early in the eighties nineties. I WANNA even see in. I can't maybe twice a year and now I think owners are so are much more involved involved and much more aware of the Mon- malign most on the court winning and losing games and also in the prophecy with the WHO makes me and what makes money. How can you approach a player today? Because I know in the New York magazine story you said there were two too many times with me low when he was going and had going on off the court was more important than what was happening on the court. As well and you've been very candid about players. Are they approachable. Aren't they coach approachable today. Yeah I've never felt any player is unfocused players. It's the connection that that coaches and encroaches probably more more. That's his concern. And it's probably his project more than the player Mutt I can actually were players. Listen players wanted to be a big team mate and an player in the team concept and understand that the better we played the more than for you then. We don't play wait. I know when you were in Denver. You didn't hold any punches. When it came to Anthony's he's denver teammates either calling Kenyon Martin? Jr Smith AAU babies in the spoiled brats. You see in junior golf and junior tennis. I happen to agree with that comment there but as anything going to change and if you call them out is that GONNA help her change anything. I'm not calling them out much. Zayn making discussion opened up to to talk about worthy game. It's I think if the state of the game is being it's being changed it should be converse all the good and things but also talk sometimes about the bad things that may be bunnies bringing Esteban. LET'S GO BACK TO CLEVELAND. Because that's where you got your first the head coaching opportunity in Cleveland. And you did something with them you you got them turned around. You took them to the playoffs and you had things going in the right direction. What happened there take? I think I was young coach. Trying to find a more secure position I was offered I was. I was asked to come on and be interviewed for my hometown. Taught School University of Pittsburgh and And they didn't like it and they were upset by but they still gave me permission to go and I figured it was more often course stuff in Washington having success on the court but it's probably ambition on the way way more than any one of the things that has always important when it comes to a head. Coach is the general manager. He happens to work for. I know with Bill Walsh. It was important for him when he took over the forty niners that he had a GM that he could work with. And certainly in the title of Your Book. You talk about such things like the coolest. GM's tell me about that relationship between coach and and gm how it works and when it doesn't work I think is most important relationship in your organization and I think too many times. It's not it doesn't doesn't have a great relationship but I look at pop and RC. Booth for a rally in air exposure. And I and I am very David Griffin has done a good job. I and Cleveland but the game is changing the influence gamers probably more now in the front office and everyone before and the coach just Jim and hopefully some say and and some trades and situations but the game has changed so fast paths ever lose the money and the contracts sometimes I think it might be growing fast and what about the game itself the way it is played. Okay the officiating. Because I know you have some very strong statements in this book about the the referees well every married is not complaining about I mean no. No one is happy when he played eighty two games and we got this Guy Refugee and twenty or games records warned sixteen in those twenty. You're all set your word worried you'll notice your Farrell But in the same sense I think all NBA coaches where anybody that's ever been in the NBA knows it's Best Astra referees in the world or NBA officials. That doesn't get along. It's not gonNA doesn't mean that we're not getting angry because is your calls. Determine the outcome is it harder to referee the game than it was five or ten years ago because of the speed and the size of the players. Aw I think so I I think the one the one argument people say they want change some rules the court might be too small. I don't know wider. I WANNA I wanNA make it longer. But I don't know he gave the court more space to play it like my health again because the athletes are size the speed quickness of these guys the more space you give the more flamboyant there's GonNa be we've got about a minute before we have to break here but when you take a look at your visit.

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Episode 8: A Cord of Three Strands

Youth Ministry Maverick: Mold-Breaking NextGen Investment

44:21 min | 1 year ago

Episode 8: A Cord of Three Strands

"You're listening to youth ministry maverick a podcast about mode breaking methods to invest in the next generation of the church. Here's your host Jeff Hardy. Only one, this is Jeff. Welcome back to Youth Ministry Maverick you're listening to episode eight a cord of three strands. That familiar passage from ecclesiastes he's talking about the value of relationship partnership and community is something that we will be talking about on today's episode. For Several Years Might Youth Ministry has been partnered with several others locally I've known these guys through different lunches and Events I used to work with some of them and over the years we figured out that we would be better together both personally and professionally, and for our students to be able to see what it's like to unite as the body of Christ. So networking and ministry collaboration. Is. The name of the game for today's episode I am joined by several of my friends, all of them fortunately, but several of them. returning from episode two is my former boss Mike hines from Fellowship Dallas, and we also have Joel Manzini from Northwest Bible Church, and Taylor lowry who is the newly hired high school pastor at fellowship. So let's hop on into the discussion. Thank you so much for joining me today on the podcast for those who don't know you. Could you give us a quick overview of who you are and what you're up to these days? Everybody. My Name's Taylor Lowery on the high school pastor over Fellowship Dallas and what I'm what amounts to these days just kinda. Go back into the office I, we are finally going back and so I'm happy to be back at Church. Happy to begin to plan some summer youth activities. Awesome. Awesome. Joel how about you man? Yeah. Hey guys. My name is Joel Seaney and I am the Middle School Mr. Northwest Bible. Church here in Dallas and. Similar similar story office opening backup, or getting ready to get back to church in July, and the definitely excited to be here and. My favorite guys Eric. So less the Lord. Coo Coo Coo, and we a repeat guests Mike. How about you? Yeah. Hey, guys Jeff. Thanks for having me back man I work with junior high and with Taylor over at Fellowship Dallas and man it's just been assumed fast I mean just still lot of meetings and even as recent as last night, we had our junior high on zoom again but yet back in the office was there three days this week I'm going up this afternoon trying to get back on track man Very. Cool. Very cool. Mike joined me on episode to talking about how to do pandemic ministry back in when not all the started. But as I mentioned the listeners in the Intro, we will be talking about networking and ministry collaboration on today's episode and I wanted to invite these guys on with me There is one guy missing cameras sparks that you've passed over at Dallas. Bible, Church could not make it today. But he is included in our partnership. And I wanted to start off by talking about how this partnership began Mike I. Think it was back in twenty thirteen. So it was. Dallas my church, Trinity, Fellowship and Dowse Bible Church at the time these pastor was a guy named Seth News. You might recognize that name he's a big guy in church communications these days but seth and I both used to work with Mike at Fellowship and so now that we each had our own youth ministries we thought hey, how about we do something altogether and my church had a lot of lawn space and so we decided to bring our youth ministry together at the end of July for a big youth Olympic Games and so we simply called it the big games and we had about one hundred students show up and probably thirty leaders or so. and it was a big success especially because my church one of course and the prize that we have for the big games is the flaming baby trophy. The big trophy with columns that have fire emblems on them and a big golden baby holy a blanket on top. Because you know youth ministry. So that was the prize and we did a a debriefing after that and thought you know this was awesome. What if he did other stuff aside from just recreation and so? Since then. It's now twenty twenty, and so for the last seven years, we've been doing at least one and even up to three events altogether. Per Year and there was an another church that was involved for several years in the beginning A. Community Bible Chapel which is actually. Sister Church trae fellowships, and so we had four churches at the beginning. and. Then ever since then we've had at least three and usually four churches involved, we've done a retreat together. We've done mission trips together. We've done service projects in worship together. It's been a lot of fun Mike Anything. You would add to what was happening at the beginning and kind of what would into US starting this whole partnership. Now I think the. The way we started in terms of wanting to connect and bring are group's together so that so that we could allow our youth groups to see other. Christian teenagers outside of their own youth group was one of our. Values and priorities. And Jeff, if I'm not mistaken at that I. At that first big games we played Who initiated that game of either of blitz ball or kamikaze ball dressed our students up in cardboard boxes with bike helmets, of course, for safety, and then threw them all up in airs highs. It would go and they would have to run from the four corners to the middle to get the ball first to get the ball, and basically we're smashing into each other. If I'm not mistaken, there were no concussions your broken bones for that new. There weren't yeah that that game was called Asteroids and Huge success and a big hit. Literally. Yeah and We did that for the first two years in because I. Think of some parent feedback we we stopped doing it but Yeah. We had by counts and sometimes even football helmets and it was really funny. I Made Great Video Yeah. That was that was really that was really fun. So. Yeah. That's kind of how everything started And so now it's in twenty, twenty and we have The. Our churches and Joel is the newest member and Northwest Bible Middle School and so Taylor Joel I wanna leap you in So this past school year when you joined Joel, you're invited by Cameron 'cause you knew him his friend and Taylor you had just got hired at fellowship as the high, school pastor and so. How did you feel coming into this and had you seen or experienced anything like it in the past either as a student yourself or leader? Joel. Let's start with human. Yeah. So yeah. I don't know if of shared with with any. Yes. But I was challenged by my supervisor to actually seek something out like this a community of student and youth pastors in the area to. Collaborate with bounce ideas off of and spin relationship at together and actually was about that time that that this whole thing kicked off in so not only was is, is it something that I currently enjoy him that have been enjoying but it is. Earliest semester prayer for me. because it's easy. So easy to feel like you're in the loan. It's like no one really knows what you're going through when you're working middle school students especially Mike Mike brothers like brothers and battle. Now, we we note his lying. But no I I, think you know. When I was part time staff at a different church here in Dallas you know there was a sense of legacy with that with the staff members in even at other churches as they disbursing go out and I think that's always valuable. So this is a see that this is something like that as a legacy of different youth pastors who no matter where they will always have each other's backs. Beautiful each other. So it's been. It's been huge. Awesome I. Love that Word Legacy. That's that's great man. That's great. Taylor. How `bout you bro Anything that you've experienced like it in the past and how did you feel coming into this partnership in seeing it for yourself? Yeah man it's been really really cool I like you said I got hired on January, and so we were doing one of our big events winter chill in February. and. So I kind of jumped right into the to the weeds, all the logistical stuff of winter, chill on site and have a chance to to get to. Play and big scale things. It was like, Hey, we're doing this on hop in. The nose is really cool. I had gotten hired on I thought it was really cool. Not only get to work alongside Mike. But there is this whole other kind of fellowship of guys that we were going to do ministry with together. And I was really excited about it. It'd be able to to see how we pull off an event together. was was awesome. In an yeah, I had done something like it it my last church I was in a multi site church and so every each one of our campuses had different student pastor, and so it was similar in the sense that when we did big events, we would all come together and pull our resources and and put on together but I really liked the way it. We're all doing it because we're were not part of the same church, and so you know we don't almost a gift because we don't have to be together but we get to be together. We choose to to do ministry alongside of one another and I think. Like Mike said earlier it shows our kids that, hey, there's other believers out there that are that were part of the not only local body, but the universal body, and so I think huge to be able to show our kids that into Shaw what what that looks like. Yeah Man. Yeah. I thought about that much but I love how you highlighted the Multi Church because that sort of large group in regional collaboration is sort of built into the foundation of that model for the Church and they get to come together from all different places being part of the same local church and yet kind of spread out geographically and I think lasting you highlighted with all of us being a different churches. One of the cool things to see is a winter. Chill was our retreat that we do and I think some of my students started realizing. Hey I go to school with him I, go to school with her we go to the same church, but we go to the same school. So that started giving us a really easy application of Hey. When you're at school together, you guys are representing all of our churches guys can do things together. There's well that can. Be a supplement to and in addition to what we do. A formerly altogether with our church programming. So. That was a really cool thing to see how our students are already interleaved and yet they see one more example of how they interact not as competitors but as the unified body of Christ. Love it. Love it. So as I mentioned earlier this summer this very unconventional weird summer of covid but December marks the seventh consecutive year that our partnership has been together. We've had amazing experiences. We have also learned a lot through trial and error. Fellas if you a youth ministry conference in the person next to you found out about our partnership and asked you about it. What would you say about how it is benefited? You your ministry and why they should think about maybe doing the same thing or maybe you think everything's terrible and we should just disband immediately. That's fine too. But if you're describing this from scratch to someone and maybe why it would be good for them to have one as well what would you say and even what were some things that you think we had to learn and that we've made mistakes but we've learned how to do it better. Mike, let's start with you bro since you and I are the. Veterans here What would you say? Yeah. I, would say. Man Just, the connection piece is so important for me. There's a lot of talk about self care and soul care for managers and You know whether it's the one on one lunch times. I've had with some of you guys or are are planning of events together just the encouragement through our text message thread and some of the idea sharing. I will tell you where this started for me was with. A pure it's it's a group called pure wia Mar, and it's a group that was run by A friend of mine raw owns He is now kind of transitioned over to pure past oral. Care Soul Care for pastors in the Dallas Metroplex area, and he's actually going beyond a Texas with this and he does retreat for them but. I was part of this pure ym network group and it was a large group. I remember. He would book speakers. He'd have sponsors that would come in and bring lunch and it was very encouraging but it kind kinda ran its course a little quicker than I thought it would because even though he encouraged us connect outside of that group we weren't connecting within the group so like when we would meet up in everyone's in the same room it was so programmed that. It was hard to connect. So I knew I needed more than what was being offered there I did connect with some of those guys one on one but I, think what this group provides for me a smaller network group where we can actually share life together we can share ideas practically we can encourage each other pray for each other It's it's just a a much. More I don't know if user friendliest. Here but. You know it's more relational and and that's what we need I. think more than anything to those by Joel just mentioned he and I are in the trenches together with junior high and for us to be able to relate in a very practical meaningful connection kind of away has been huge and that's one of the things that I would definitely share. Someone asked me about it that connection piece the first piece so. Very cool. Very cool. Joel how G. Man if you're describing this for to someone who hadn't heard about it what would you say about how it's benefited you your ministry and why maybe they should start one Man I would. I would say it's it's an absolute must in any ministry I would say specially student ministry. But. Yeah. I'm just thinking about proverbs fifteen twenty two says without council plans failed. But with many advisers they succeed and Every time I see yells name pop up on my phone because you know our text thread Not, only does it bring a smile to my face but it I value what you guys have to say on his brothers in Christ In it I think it. Really. It's easy to be an ecosystem of your church culture in your church people have A. A way of thinking and across a way to do things. So helpful outside thinkers and outside people who love Jesus. Coin Right Direction give you a maybe a different way of looking at things in even just. Even, just from on that, you're not an alum lot like Mike Mike was saying so. It it really as a young guy in ministry had just turned twenty four This is like I told you. This is something that my supervisor recommended media seek out and. In a way, the Lord drop that my lap a little bit but I'm so thankful and I, I really do recommend that that if you're a ministry just go to other churches websites look at people who do you would send them an email try to get together at your church provide launched just do something that's accessible on really it it's GonNa, serve you and the people you're serving going to serve the body that you're with So I highly recommend additon five stars, Amazon, review, whatever you whatever you have. You know it's. Awesome Awesome Taylor how about you man how would you describe it and how did you say it has benefited you even in the short time. Yeah for sure I love. What both Mike Angel- Said not to rehash too much of it but I think they're absolutely right out of. The. The biggest part of partnership that has helped me is I mean especially with Kobe going on and and in. Youth Ministry looking different than it ever has I think it's been really easy to feel like you're failing or feel like you know the kids are hopping on the zoom calls like I thought they would and stuff like that. So it's always really cool to to have conversations with guys in other passers just to hear. We're not alone. You know it'd be like, Hey, no youth ministry is hard right now and like my ministries hard right now to, and so I think there's there's a camaraderie there even to be able to share the grace of God with one another in those situations has been really really beneficial personally for me. But. Then even on a more maybe maybe logistical practical side like I think a great reason to do this is I know that when we pull off events like our big winner chill winter retreat or the big games or something like that. That's something that that me and Mike couldn't pull off to the same level. You know just us you know. But when we all come together and we collaborate share, you know. You fast reportedly have ten really crappy ideas. You know two really good ones. But. It's nice. When we all have our two good ones, you know we can pull them all together in create an event or an experience for kids that that is better than anything that we could have done on our own. I think that's a a huge part of it and so yeah, like Joel said ten would recommend a having a a a group like this has been huge. Personally and and in in ministry. It's just been awesome. Awesome. Yeah. I I love the collaboration of ideas because you're right I come up with awful ideas. and. You know sort of as some wise people have talked about in authors of highlighting your strengths and making sure to use those and give your weaknesses to people who have them as strengths were able to of play off each other and all of us at some point have either run or been a part of big events or camps retreats with just one church and I think since all of us have that and now all of us have at least one of not more. Examples of these big events and retreats with multiple churches. But not even just we show up to one camp and the camp staff puts it on were the ones who are showing up and running everything and it gives us a sense of ownership but also. Probably a refreshing a boost of. Creativity and motivation and wanting to tackle a challenge and know that we're doing it together and not individually and Taylor I think just how how you can have phrased it and even something up with Joel Mike said, we are better together and when you're actually doing things together, you can see that in Nice just to say as cliche thing but when you actually have the experience of doing it. Gives you more to tell you actually share your story instead of just giving pros and cons list right because I mean I saw it. And I I heard rather and when the way you guys talked about it when I asked you, what would you say? How would you describe it? You guys were telling stories. You guys were talking about how personally affected you? Not just well, it's beneficial because I. You know the stats say this and this is actually part of your makeup and even how your Philosophy on ministry grows because you can start to appreciate. Yeah. I. Have My way of doing things but because I hadn't considered this way because I'm not good at it or I just couldn't handle it. Now the world together that's now in my in my scope and my scope is now broader and I'm better for it as a person not just as a minister. So before moving on to Kinda last part with some fun memories, this next part might be some fun memories, but I wanted to kind of hit on. Things that we have learned through trial and error in. Mike obviously you and I have a Greater Bank of that But what is what's maybe one thing that stands out or one time when you're when we had worked to challenge or maybe it took a while for us to agree on something or something happened, and we kind of had to scramble anything that you guys can think about as you know even though it's all together. There's some fine tuning in there's always gonna be some messy stuff because. Because when you have a relationship that's authentic and true, it's also messy. and. So maybe what's one thing that didn't go so well at at first or we had to work through or get better at anything come to mind for any of you guys. So I'm thinking about big games men obviously with all the different winter chill retreat. A collaboration. Events we've done there's a lot of problem solving troubleshooting conversations that start in you know early to mid October and and that event that happened. Now until you know late January February, and so you know obviously there are a lot of conversations and you know coming to the table. But. I'm thinking about big games Jeff in particular point system. We we've we've over the years have gone back and forth over. How to tally those points how to make it so that our churches could see here's one of the challenges right art our churches youth groups are not the same size. and. So some of us are a little larger others are not don't have as many. Some of US have more leaders others don't have as many leaders, and so how do we? How do we break that down and make sure that that it that it's an even playing field if you will. So I think man just that as a small example of how we've had trouble shoot so many different things and Compromise right? It's It's one of those things where it's it's not at a theological level even though we've had those conversations to the point where it's like, Hey, is is the logically sound and we all come from different perspectives. But what's cool is whether it's points for our big games and how we're GONNA make that a an even playing field or how we're going to teach on a certain subject at our retreat. I feel like we've come to the table with grace and with the willingness if you will to be flexible and understanding come together as Fiji's four says with each other in an understanding way and and so that's that's been super encouraging to me but definitely. Stand out as one of the biggest challenges for us as a group. Yeah Yeah. The point soon for sure we've we've had years where each each game was worth ten points. We've had point systems that range in the millions and Mike, JJ, we can't do that. Because you know it's it's a millions. That's just too much. We're not mad. Yeah and Mike, you brought up a really good point that'd probably should clarify at the very beginning of for those of you listening thinking. That churches to small arches too big I should have highlighted that our churches are very different as far as makeup size of that on my youth group is the smallest. During the last seven years as far as active students participating in these events I've arranged. Twenty and twenty five. Keech v go through and give the. Average number of active students that you've had over the years in in your ministry. Might. Tell us you man. You're high students you think Oh. Yeah. So you know anywhere from. I think right now were out thirty to forty active students you know years past we've had as many as fifty to seventy. Active Students but. Yeah and then of course, including high school we've been upwards of two hundred active students junior high and we'd run sixth grade through twelfth grade. So that makes a difference but I'd say right now actively junior high sixty twelfth grade probably have about seventy to eighty active students. Taylor grasp on how many high school students he goes running right now. Yeah. We active I'd say we probably settle out in about twenty five. It's some Sun Sundays it can be thirty, five. Some Sundays. It can be you know twenty eight. So we settled out at roughly twenty five. Cool and Joel got running in your junior high ministry right now. We have about. One, hundred students sixth through eighth grade So yet that's my. That's my my heard my sheet With high. School probably. Around a hundred fifty total. So yeah, man up. Yeah. So when we show up to events, you know some of us are rolling up like Meena good old fifteen passenger church Van, and some of us are rolling up in big tour buses so Even if you're churches in the area, do you think well I'm not sure we could do a partnership because our sizes are pretty different. Don't let that. Stop you Kinda hit the personal note like Joel talked about hosting people having over for lunch and is talking about how you do ministry because even your sizes are different the root of your philosophy. Is what you can discuss and talk about and when you have something as foundational was that than that can be applied to whatever group yet you're working with and I think it's really cool to see. You know you don't have to be a big church with a huge budget in Rhode sue enjoy yourself having a good time and have good events and have influenced. You can be a small church and had just as much influence and just as much presence and creativity and thanks to bring to a group. Jolan. To Taylor a anything from your this past school year that you can think about of how we've had to work through something or maybe something that didn't quite work out and we had to try it again anything come to mind. Yes absolutely this is joe here in. if you're if you're listening to this and in your thinking about getting something started I love this question because it is definitely worth noting on all all the praise we gave it there there's GonNa be differences in ultimately this puts you in a position to be a learner to to be humble in what you do and that is a good thing. It might not feel great but that is ultimately a good thing and so. You know we we have. Something something my head here we had conversations about our fiend. We talked about Mary Magdalene at Winter Chill, and that especially this retreat we took all of our students to just a weekend thing at a camp here in Texas in Mary, Magdalene following that character was a theme we talked about had to dive into it how to discuss it We've been talking about women's roles and ministry, and you know in in had great conversations even some disagreements on things like that in that is okay. So don't freak out if that if that starts happening when when you try to get other churches together. The thing is you gotTa keep the main thing the main thing and that is that Jesus in on our our retreat are going to that camp with our students. People came to note board for the first time people grew in their relationship with Jesus people confess. I. Mean. There was a growth in it was it was impactful. It was huge in that. That's why we do what we do in. So it it. would be silly to say that everything's always Nice Mary Anjali Jolly but but it is for a greater purpose in in email at all times we do a lot of fun too. So it's just a it's a bonuses well, whenever things click in things do workout or able to. Do the trial error and get to something that we can agree. Yeah. Love it man what will say well, said Taylor how about you man you everything that comes to mind as far as something that was hard to work through or something that didn't go how it was planned the first time through. Yeah. Yeah. Because I've only been around, you have been around for very long. So no really super specific example comes to mind. But I do remember when we sat down to evaluate winter chill after it was over and talked about. Just. Every facet of it and just to see what we can do better. Next year what works what did tweak I remember sitting down there were some things where somebody would be like that up that way really well, and then the next guy would be like actually, I don't know if that worked really well. It's. kind of like Jolson it would be easy for us. You know in those moments to kind of get defensive and blow up a little bit No, I'm right. You know it did work well. But knowing that like I think having to foundation in knowing that we're all on the same team and we all want the same thing allows us to go into those differences and disagreements and conversations in a way of other saying this because they want the best for all of our kids you know not to not you know they don't they don't want their opinion to be heard they don't want the best for them, but we're on the same team. So we want the best for the same people. So even having some small disagreement today are in even like stuff small evaluating on having the grace to have those conversations and realizing. The main thing is the main thing allows us to enter those well. Yeah Yeah I. Like that because. We tend to think all the pressure and build up and maybe disagreement and Messi news happens in the build up to the event was the event happens and everything's all good. But you know each of us has a different perspective and how things are viewed and when we try to start viewing it with not just our students like you said, all the students we say, well, yeah just worked wealth for this group but for that grew maybe it didn't. Quite connects the Hukou we make it connect to both groups next time right and so. I think the first thing that's GonNa come up when you first joined into this is you have to check your ego. You have to be able to realize that. Even with all of your personal experience that you have. Of. A. Very Wise Mentor told me. That, you have to always assume that you're the least smartest person in the room. And you need to be able to listen to people will. Not just hear them wait for them to stop talking. So you can give your input that's kind of social media. Interaction has built these but actually being able to listen which means to purposefully taken into consideration. What's being right? It's not just hearing sounds it's actually about it and considering it right and I think each of us could probably say that one of reasons that were better for all this collaboration is. Because now, we can think of things from the perspective of someone with a different sized youth group with different students with different backgrounds, and now we can appreciate may be how if those students come to our youth group now we have more diverse things in our tool bag to where we can make our own student ministries more diverse and more broad able to accommodate them and not just a small group that we've built everything around. Then with some fun things or some some funny things they're they're fun memory a funny thing that stands out for many of our events that you guys can talk about or think of Taylor. Joel Review Guys what do you think? Javan absolutely I'm I'm thinking out I'll take it about yet this partnership has been this past year. So really we've had that you know a lot of time was put toward the that we keep talking about, which is winter chill and I remember during of free time seeing Mike. Mike Man I. Don't know what you were doing. But like he's running on this beach cruiser bike is old vajgl's super rusty had like one of those. Nice wide fat seats pseudo for like someone who's maybe not as athletic in he's just. You just like Ryan wral like chopper W You know it was. It was really funny. I'm like like you're making your rounds. He was like, yeah, I'm actually looking for law student. So let me know if you see this girl wearing a red t shirt or something on my son in like the it was just so funny you wouldn't. You'd never know that he's on the hunt looking for someone. In 'cause he's just having he says, he's doing what he knows. How to do better sees students. He's having fun. He's making people feel connected. At the same time he's east planned that sheppard role you know going after that loss sheep. So Mike Man that was usually fun is really great to see everyone in action a lot of fun memories of him. Yeah Cool Taylor everything that comes to mind that the stands out is great or meaningful or hilarious or all the above anything I. I have the exact story and it's Win Jeff you and me were hosting the talent show. And so we loom. Show after worship. A like by twenty students perform different accents saying and all that stuff and me and Jeff were were hosting in between each act. So kids could get ready and somehow it came up. The you. You knew all the words to like some song from Tarzan fashion, the get Yup. Trisha. The can't but it wasn't the Tarzan version. It was the insect of correct. Yes. So and we were it was just funny because you're talking about it and we're like, Oh yeah, it's really funny and in our tech guy found it. And he started playing it and I just lost it on stage. Because I knew that wasn't planned but like at that moment was one of those moments where something happens to you get out of it like you're in a man, you just owned it and you just sing it. You crushed it and the kids went wild. It was awesome. My Gosh Yeah. My Heart and stomach sank when that came on. No. It was on your whole life. It'd been building up to that. Grinding that's right. That's right. If there's nothing. In my ministry at least that happened and people can use that as blackmail or whatever else they want in the future. Yet Taylor. Thank you for her recollecting that for everyone anyone wants to see any dance moves. I also do Britney Spears so though that in within saint in my repertoire. But Mike You have any fund or? That you can think about from our partnership of the years. Yeah. Absolutely man you know one of my favorite things is getting to meet the different Volunteer Youth leaders from the different churches and getting to know them and man that came full circle for last year's winter. Chill retreat. we invited a volunteer from each of our churches to share testimony, and so getting to sit in on those recordings and I actually played a role and editing those before they they went to final cut and just getting to hear their heart for the Lord in their heart for students was just so encouraging man. So that is definitely one of the highlights was was getting to be involved in that whole project for sure. Yeah. That was really cool because usually when we have that kind of input we've talked about. The leader's that get to see that but the students got to hear the testimonies and so did we for the first time and how it related to? The subject of you know looking at our faith as a duty instead of a delight and as a chore instead of an enjoyment and yeah, that was really cool. That was really powerful. how about you man any any memories for you? You've been in this thing for quite a while. Yeah. I have to I think I can show them briefly the first one can be summed up in one word octopus. Several events, recreational events using octopus. Now, of course, the occupy were dead. We got them from whole foods or central market or whatever hub at the first of that we did was at a big games here at our church and we played four team ultimate Frisbee with mini. and. It was a diamond and the corner beach deemed was had a had a goalie standing there to try and catch it MEA teams in the middle him. We are flinging around these occupy like a Frisbee and it was mayhem and The next winter shall we did we had full size occupy and we use it like a like a highland games with with Scottish people who throw those big telephone poles and stuff. So we had a shot put with the octopus we have like a heave Ho. Relay fling it to your teammate down a line. If you drop, it had to go back beginning in the very last part was You had to try and pull apart the octopus could so having one. grabbed. The tentacle poll that when he did not teed approved whatsoever. That was. Definitely youth mistreat ask if anything else that I've ever done but I was gonNA. Bring it up the first big games we did. We had a use passer competition at the end. So Dan from the Bible Seth from Dallas Dallas. Bible. Mike you from fellowship in me for Trading Fellowship We were surrounded by her students in the room and we had to spin around on bad a few times some balls into a bucket and then grab a frozen t shirt that was balled up. Trying thought out women up enough to unroll it input on the shirt. So therefore us but for some reason whoever was in charge of the t shirts Mike some reason I think that was you you had five t shirts in there. So in the fight to try and get a t shirt on the last one to get my hands in their. Shirts at the bottom were frozen together and they were not coming apart. So while you guys were all trying to put your shirt on I, grabbed one of those metal baseball bats slamming shirts as I could I was having students helped me trying pulled apart like a tug of war and I don't think we ever got home unstuck in. So I was. Just stuck trying to bash them frozen t shirts while we watched Dan from Community Bible gained the victory. The hookup rake definitely sounds rigged to me. Yeah. For sure I'm not sure how that came about but I'm sure there's some kind of conspiracy there and we definitely had to make sure the kids wash their hands because everyone smelled super fishy from those. Occupy Yeah but lost share man. We could talk about all fun memories. We'd be here for a long time but gentlemen thanks again for joining me today. Hope to have you guys back on the future. Both as a group, and even individually as we continue talking about important things for youth ministers, parents and volunteers to know while working with teenagers and looking forward to more joint ministry with you in this partnership. Thanks fellas. That clues today's episode of Youth. Ministry. Maverick. Thanks to Mike Taylor and Joel for joining today Cameron, we will get you on next time buddy. If you haven't already I encourage you to like and subscribe to this podcast on spotify or pod being. and. It will be coming soon to apple podcasts, Google play, and a few others. please share this podcast with anyone who's doing ministry and is thinking about collaborating, and hopefully, it will benefit them as well as benefiting in your own ministry. Until next time. Audios.

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Underdog to 3x World Champ! Meet Michael Chandler | Ep. 60

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Underdog to 3x World Champ! Meet Michael Chandler | Ep. 60

"I think we need more people who believe in themselves more than they believe in anything else in the entire world because if he believes in himself that means he can exude that his team into his his son. You think his sons not going to believe in himself. Welcome back to another episode of tighter can impact show my name. Is Todd Dirksen and I am so fired up for today's episode before go in there I wanNA thank you. I want to thank all of you. Who are listening in today. I love reading the reviews the ratings and all of your comment so thank you for listening one thing that I pride myself on is the value that we continue to offer because of the feedback from people like yourself listening in and today I'm super pumped up to offer you the opportunity to listen to a friend of mine named Mike Chandler now. Mike is the three-time Bela Tor lightweight. Champion of the world yes. He's a fighter now. One of the things that you're going to hear in this episode is the incredible story of Mike Chandler who comes from Middle America and the offers a lot of life lessons of how he fights both in the ring and out of the ring now he holds a twenty and five record in Bela Tor and he's currently training for his next fight which is going to lead them to the opportunity to fight for the championship belt once again. And whether you're a kid whether you're an athlete an entrepreneur or a mom or dad who searching to be a champion in your own life. I know that this episode is going to provide extreme value to you so without further ado. Let's go out to fitness quest hand right now where Mike Taylor. Just finished up an epic training session. Slaves bits down for impact podcast episode. Let's go there all right. Welcome back to another episode of tighter. Pack show I am so fired up today to have my man Mike in the House Mike. Welcome back man so could be back so then back so so we've been grinding here at this question for what six six years two thousand four months. Yeah I think. Thirteen my first session here. So y'all know Mike just worked out got an unbelievable workout and The the the floor was jamming. Just like it always take take us through that what you just experienced on the floor is awesome. I mean no. There's no no workouts quite like a fitness quest ten. We're working out with you or jeff or anybody here. Any one of the trainers here at the at the gym today was a workout with myself. My wife that we haven't done in a couple of years so it's been it's been nice to be back the energy from NFL all Famer Hall of FAMERS TO MLB. Today was today. It's crazy you and bree were in the house and we had our. Nfl guys already starting up. We have major league baseball guys leaving for spring training so I know by the time you guys listen to this. Spring training is already in play but man it was. It was a lot of champions on the floor today. I WanNa talk about the championship mentality today because you have pit him. Is that Mike Stepped me back when you came into fitness quest? Ten Two thousand fourteen. What the heck brought you into fitness quest hand? Actually the funny thing is and this is how awesome the world is and how God works is is. I had a back injury I was. I was bent over leaning to the left and hunched over. Had A really bad. It wasn't even really an injury you know later on. I will have been lightened by yourself and your massage therapists here that it was. I had a so as issue. I had a lower back issues so it wasn't an actual injury but it was something that was hindering me from even just living a normal life let alone trying to be a world champion fighter and I and I saw that drew brees was training with this guy. This crazy crazy loud maniac named Todd Burke and I was living here in San Diego and I said well shoot it. You know drew had some back issues and then start reading about your your past with your back issues and that kind of stuff and I just called one day and just kind of begged and pleaded. Hey can I get a session with todd can I you know can I get his session with whatever and and luckily our good friend Jeff Bristol? Who was a wrestler? Knew who I was through the sport of wrestling. And this that the other thing and and Got It got an opportunity to come here and and try and would you guys. And that's Kinda how I I? I remember sitting here at this desk where we sit right now. Record this podcast because I remember honestly the fire in your eyes then as a young man getting into the sport you already had a great history in MMA fighting and you saying that you want to be a champion you want to be someone who goes out there and as a man of God is a man of faith actually represents you know in the cage and for those of you who are listening and who who are not not fight fans. You'RE GONNA love this episode. By the way you're you're gonNa love it because what you hear from Mike. Maybe a lot different than what you expect to hear. Because here's a man who fights for a living but when you talk about One special man. I sense that and felt that in session one. I sat down and met you. I'm like man. This is a guy who was all American wrestler at the University of Missouri And then there's not a lot of opportunities after college wrestling and got into the fight game and I want to talk about that today because over the last six seven years that we worked together. And you know I follow you obviously with your career and what you're doing There's a lot of lessons to be gleaned by MOMS DADS ATHLETES. Anyone who wants the best in life and by the way those are the people listening in right now. So if you're working out if you're out you know pumping Arner you out for a run or you may be on a plane. I want you to think about. Hey how does Mike Lessons here? Apply to you because I WanNa Know Mike. Like how did you get in like? How did you get into this crazy? Professional Fighting Yeah. I mean luckily for me. I had an opportunity. I two guys that I wrestled with in college. Ben Askar Entire Woodley who both have been have been extremely successful term. Woodley was a UFC. Champion Ben Aspirin won world titles and multiple organizations and was in the AFC for quite a while. They were kind of like my big brothers. They were my my mentor. Is the guys that I looked up to when I was mizzou wrestling And they got into the sport and I figured I didn't WanNa go right into the workforce That college or the the Olympic wrestling dream was was very far off the chances of making that that Olympic team or even the Olympic ladder is so slim and I just didn't have the passion for wrestling that I used to as I got done with that moment. I stepped off the Mat for the last time it was in Saint Louis Missouri at the time at the championships and I took fifth place as an all American. I knew I was getting into the sport of mixed martial arts at that point in time and you know for me. I was just a a young middle-class kid Hungary fallen out of trees. Reckon bikes just like a tough hard nosed kid. I was always smaller than everybody else. A late bloomer didn't have here in our pits till I was eighteen nineteen years old so I I didn't necessarily have a chip on my shoulder like I was always out to prove something but I knew I had that competitive spirit I wanted. I knew that God had some amazing things for my future. It was just going to take time to to create that momentum and create that impact and got done with wrestling and graduated in May of two thousand nine and stepped in my first cage. August of two thousand nine and didn't even know how to fight and I went out there and just throw it through like two hundred sixty five punches in two and a half minutes of the first round and got a Tko. 'cause I I went out. Took this guy down and just like literally through two hundred something punches. And he was doing a good job of covering up and whatnot but I went out there with reckless. Abandon didn't know what the Heck I was doing and here. I am ten years later. Fight before that I had never been in a fight and not in. My biggest fear wasn't getting beat up. My biggest fear was getting in trouble. My biggest fear was getting a pink slip. My biggest fear is getting a you know out of out of school suspension I. I was very much by the book rule follower I was not afraid to go extremely hard and like get in trouble but I didn't want to be that kid that people will be like man. Michael got in trouble. Michael got a pink slip. Michael got written up so I was always afraid of that and I think I was driven by that and even to this day. I'm still driven by that. A little bit with a little bit more maturity and a lot of lessons sure. We'll talk to twenty five fights since that time. Fight Number One You currently hold a twenty and five record in Bella tour and I know you're you're approaching here another fight in what may massively mayor may twenty twenty here and coming up soon. Started to train for that. What's the toughest fight you've ever been? I know you've been some brawls. Yeah I mean I is there. One that stands out is like man like this was a brawl. Well I'll get. I'll give two examples because I think I think anybody who's listening right now and they followed my career. They everybody talks about my two fights Alvarez by I fight with Eddie Alvarez. I was eighteen eighteen months into the sport. And I'm stepping into the cage. Against Eddie Alvarez is the number three I in the entire world I'm one hundred thousand or fifteen hundred. Nothing are one underdog. Nobody expected this. No Name Guy from that wrestler from Missouri. Who was only eight. No it's time to go out and beat the number three guy in the world we have a knock down drag out war. I beat him up bad the first round in the second round he comes back and beats me up really about the third round and I ended up finishing the fourth round and then so I went to my first world title there in two thousand eleven and a couple of years later we fight each other and we have a really crazy split decision. Fight all twenty five minutes and that was a crazy another crazy fight but I do think I will say the hardest professional fight was fighting in Vincent Henderson because I actually passed out in the cage I I lost consciousness via exhaustion after the fourth round. I'm sitting there on my knees and the Bell Rings. I'm sitting there on my knees and I have this deadlock is I'm looking off into space. And my my coach. Henri who've picked me up by my arm carries me back to the stool and then thirty seconds later. I hear my other coach. Yell in my ear from behind me and I immediately come to and I asked my coach. Did I just get knocked out? And he's like no what are you talking about? We got we got we got to go. We've got one more round so I think that was the hardest fight because Benson Henderson is just durable guy. I beat the tar out of and he didn't even have a scratch to show for it. And I remember that I was GonNa say one for me. The one watching all your although the Eddie Alvarez one for fight fans certainly stands out the Benson Henderson. 'cause I remember jumping around my living with the kids and all of a sudden your seconds away from being beaten being you know I was a little tired and its. That's a very big lesson. That would that we that I've learned in my career is is in the sport of wrestling. If there's any wrestlers listen right now you know. You Got Seven minutes. Six minutes of high school seven minutes in college wrestling match. You can go as hard as you want for six minister seven minutes. You're probably not gonNA pass out because it's only a short amount of time in a fight. Twenty five minutes is like an eternity twenty five minutes plus a minute in between around. You're in the cage for thirty minutes heart pumping crazy so you mentioned you. Almost get submitted. what's going on through your head right before you're about to get choked out are you like are you. Like I'm not giving up at all costs or whatever. Take me through the mentality of a fight because I don't want to go in the cage with an orbits and so I will say so. That particular fight with Benson Henderson was. That was more pure exhaustion so I got into a weird scrambling position where I crunched myself up and the actual blood flow to my you know my brain or whatever wasn't there but he wasn't exactly choking me But in there you're just fighting. You're just going I mean you. You can't have that. Quinn you you can't be thinking about what could go wrong in a position because then you're not thinking about what could go right. And how am I going to win that position The closest I've ever been to being submitted was Eddie Alvarez. Our second fight. He had a deep deep deep joke. And you can go back and watch it on Youtube. It's it's the deepest joke I've ever been in and yeah in your mind you're just you're not even thinking you're just you're just going and if I remember getting out of that choke as the sound was going room into my and my ears in here thing no because you can always hear the tens of thousands of people screaming it all went into a very tunnel tunnel type of like my head was inside of a vacuum exactly and then it kind of comes back out and then you realize you're still fighting in. You still got three minutes left on the clock and you're tied onto a tornado and you're wondering why the heck do you do what you do for a living you like this. I will say I will say there's so many ups and there's so many downs and they're so it's such a rollercoaster ride. But I know that God did not put me in this sport for any other reason besides to be have opportunities like this and have have the personal touches of all the people that I've touched through my sport and through my platform and through my performances. I mean my my performances are a metaphor for life like you were talking about. There's so many different walks of life that are listening to this podcast yet. We are all in a fight where arlen some sort of fight. We're all in some sort of fight for our careers for for our own personal self image for our own personal concept for our relationships for our children for whatever it may be were all in a fight and my fights are just a physical manifestation a masterpiece of painting inside of a cage for fifteen to twenty five minutes of the fights that we're all going through in life so let me ask you. That's a good point if everyone's fight I've often heard many people many successful people. They've said what I do is not always who I am. What I do is not who I am. Do you think fighting is who you are or what you do. I think it's I think it's a it's it's part part me and it's part what I do because at my core. I'm a fighter and I always have been and I didn't even realize that 'til almost thirty years old I've been fighting for for what I want to bring to this world. I've been fighting for now. My family my wife and my son. I've been fighting for. I think I think what we mean what we miss. We think we're just meandering around this earth. Just kinda these creatures walking around you. You have a birth date and then you have a death date but man you should be on this earth trying to fight for every single drop of happiness insecurity and and end funds. So what does he wanNA bring this world? What is it can they bring this world? I think you know I started out and I and I've struggled with a lot of self image issues and it stems from it stems from just being a small guy from a small town who was taught to do small things because trying to do big things. Matt you're probably GonNa fall flat on your face and where I came from Jefferson County Missouri. Leaving leaving outside those county lines met you. You were taking way too big of a risk and you're probably gonNA fall flat on your face and you should probably just work your way up to middle management of Dobbs tires or you should probably work at pizza or of the local places. They're here in there in Jefferson County and in that and I love where I came from. I love my mom and Dad Betty Chandler and Mike Chandler pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Since I'm not joking to three jobs at a time to make sure myself and my two brothers had every opportunity had had this opportunity to sit here and speak to you and your and your listeners. Today but where we came from there wasn't a lot of upside there wasn't a lot of there was so much fear of the unknown that you should probably just not try and luckily for me. God has had me in the palm of his hand when I made the decision to go off to university Missouri Walk onto the Division. One wrestling team where everybody told me I was going to probably be a non-starter. Probably quit probably ride the bench. Probably just be a punching bag for five years. I didn't care I I knew there was something tugging on my heart. That said I had to go take that chance. And then to take the chance on myself to go in the sport of mixed martial arts now here I am one of the most successful lightweights in the history of this report and and doing a phenomenal job taking making a phenomenal living for my family. You don't do that. You don't get to those positions without taking those chances that I was told not to take since I was a young kid so I think that story the small guy from a small town. He was taught to do small things who who didn't listen to those small things. That's my story. And that's my that's my witness to the world which is interesting to me because you talk about the self image you are also one of the most devout guys when it comes to personal growth and self development that. I know you are constantly asking me. Hey books you're reading. What do you indulging in a podcast and everything else so that you can continue to grow? How how did you go from a young man? Who's struggling with your your your self esteem and who you are to like a personal growth junkie yet. I think I think at some point. You start to realize that some dragons you slay and some dragons you just pushed into a corner and you and you get you get good at mitigating. The risk of them popping their head out at the at the wrong time so I know for a fact that I will never get rid of this small guy from that small town at thirty almost thirty four years old. I've realized trying to beat him over the head and stuff them in a corner and chain them to a basement somewhere. I've never been able to just get rid of him so I realize I just need to duct tape him to a to a to a chair in the basement of my mind and learn to keep pushing him. They're leaving him there. You know so and you can't do that without constant self-help without constantly building yourself up so much that whenever he does try to rear his head. It's almost like you're able to flip them away rather than getting to a position where he almost becomes head to head with you and you start to believe the lies that he tells you you start to believe the salt that he's throwing on old wounds you you start to catch the glimmer of the spotlight that he's shining on your insecurities in your deficiencies. Those things that you know are there yet if you don't acknowledge them and you can just learn to push him into a corner and manage them and you can only do that by constant. Self-help surround yourself with the right people. Don't you think most people have something from their childhood or limited belief system or something that is that that underdog mentality or they been through some tough times adversity that if you change the perspective of that you can actually use that as fuel. Yeah and I think that's and I think even my story is very similar to that. I have realized I don't care if if the most confident person that I've ever been around in my life if they walk into a room of me I know they're absolutely lying to me if they if they tell me they are. They don't have any fears. Any doubts insecurities we all have it and I think and I think it's. It's one of our greatest weapon because I think that's how we have all been you look at history and you look at every single person who has who has accomplished something great. It comes off. It comes off of the springboard of their failures. It comes off the springboard of of them being Written off as someone that will never get to where they want to be or all the stories in the Bible all the stories at all the stories everybody that we've looked up to an an researched. Everybody has had those those things about them or those moments or those people that said they would never make it by So yeah I like I like to say use your adversity as your advantage. Because I've often talked about in the earlier episodes episode one and two of this podcast. I talked about my upbringing. Youngest of eight kids poor family. I was the lunch ticket. Kid I still use today that mentality of everything I do. I got a scrap for everything I get in. When it's that climbing the mountain mentality you always keep climbing even when you get to the top. I remember asking some of world. Champions like yourself Lt drew. Hey when you get to a certain level of success how do you stay hungry What's your adversity white? Yeah One and I think that's that is so important too because you've had so many awesome successful people on this podcast and you're surrounded by me so we just walked in here and there is when you talk about accolades and world records and you talk about bank accounts and you talk about the success of the lot of the people in here. I think I think where people can lose. Sight is that they just continue to look for success instead of significance as well right you know the the amount of significance you can make them in. Obviously when you're young you're just trying to survive you know and then you start to get then you try to get a little bit of stability in that position where I'm having stability and success right now but I know the next chapter in my life while still fighting what I do after fighting. How am I going? To be significant down. In People's life individual people hundreds of thousands of millions of people insignif- are significant here in the N. People's life and. I think that's something that that can be sometimes overlooked people. Just try to get more and more and more success but you can only eat so many stakes. You can only drive so many cool cars and really. It's more about you than it. Is anybody else so and you know I. I love that the four stages of life. But you think about those who have tasted success. I give the analogy of a windshield and vision. You WanNa be looking through the windshield of life where where you're going looking forward and not so much spending time in the rear view mirror because when you look in the rear view mirror and you're reflecting on your past good or bad maybe that a lot of successes or maybe a lot of losses that can actually hold you back because of too much time spent in the past whether you look at your vision your windshield and where you're going you want to get excited about your dreams and get emotional about your dreams of what you're doing because when you get emotional about your dreams about your vision about moving forward well then you are living your best as knowing that your best is still yet to come and I know your best is still yet to come to and the older you get to. 'cause 'cause I always thought it'd be done fighting thirty five here. I am thirty three. I'm turning thirty four here in a couple of months. There's no way I'm GONNA be thirty five right now and and then even after that now the the more success that you have or the more significance that you're looking for the more the more your imagination grows and the more you're you're blessed with more and more opportunities to so you can't see where you're going and get more opportunities with this very very large windshield that you could be looking through. When you're looking through that little bitty tiny two by four. That's right rear. Amir Link Shield ten times bigger in their view mirror so in in your fighting career. There's a lot of different components to fighting. What's your favorite part of being a mixed martial arts fighter? You know. I think there's different seasons back back in the day I would have been like. Oh It's the competition competing I love. I love fighting and and and let me also true preface with. I don't I don't like to hurt people like I'm of nasty human being when I'm in there and I will hurt. I will hurt somebody badly. But I'm never actually consciously thinking about hurting anybody you know just like just like Ray. Lewis wasn't necessarily thinking about doing really badly bodily harm. He just wanted to get a really hard tackle right. He didn't want to hurt the guy he didn't want to. You don't WanNa take the food off the guy's table like but and I'm not thinking that either but in the in the the movement of people are going to get hurt so back in the day I would have said it was that it was the competition. Now I think it's being in a position where you know selfishly. I think there's just not. There's not a lot of people who do what I do. So it is the guys who who compete in the. Nfl really really cool guys who do the MLB play baseball playoffs other sports? That really really cool. But what I'm doing is somewhat the enemy of manhood. You know it's the epitome of of the fight for life so it's it's being put in a position where people look at me and they're like wow. I don't know if that guy is kind of a crazy psychopath or fees like kind of sick in the head and then you have a conversation with me and they think Manny's just a normal guy like me so I think being able to just be somewhat of a chameleon a nasty human being inside that cage but also sit here and hopefully people are getting value out of what the words that are coming out of my mouth and I don't sound like a professional mixed martial martial artist who fights in front of the inside of the cage. I think that's I think that's where I realize I've been putting an awesome position. And that's what I love most about the sport that I my sport is such a such a crazy outlier yet. I can be a normal human being inside of it and relate to so many people on a personal level where people thought I would never be able to relate to them right. That's the biggest misnomer Mike. I think that happens to the public. That doesn't follow the fight game as they think that fighters are often just thugs and I realized that in two thousand eight two thousand nine and my first guy ever worked with was brandon. Vera and Brandon came in and everything was. Yes sir no sir. Yes coach no coat and Mike. Wow this fighters then I was like it's the Martial Art Sidon. It's the respect side and and when I hear you and I've always heard you Present when you do your talks when you you are a man with a dignity and pride in respect of even a your opponent knocks them now that you help. I'm giving them. I believe from what I see and sometimes the best in the world. You don't even know what you're doing why you're doing it. The thing that I see with Mike Chandler is your embracing of the process. The work that goes in that no one knows about you. Have to do two or three sessions. A day when you're really heat enough for ten twelve weeks before a fight between the weight room between your sparring and you're grappling and your boxing and you have different coaches in the nutrition and to me. You've always embraced the process at hard. Of course it is but to me. I look at you in one of the reasons why you've been a champion several times in. Mma is because of the time and discipline that you put into the process. And I think and I think that's the other side of it as well knowing that they just just taking pride in the fact that I know I have to do ten times. More than a lot of other people in a lot of other sports Or in a lot of other vocations whether it be business or whether it be other vocations I have to put in that much more time in that much more disciplined the the way that I eat in the way that I have to supplement my body and then the way I have to train in the way that I have to do everything if people just did that for one day how I have to do it every single day they would just it would blow there it will blow their minds and I think and that's not something that I brag about and that's not something that's necessarily public all the time but I try to make I try to give people an inside. Look at what I have to do. So I I want to be relatable because obviously what I do. Not a lot of people can do. I think that's part of it to having that feather my cap where I'm just like. I know that I cannot work anybody. I know I can go harder than anybody. And it's and that's and that's just not even necessarily mean it's just the blessings that God has bestowed upon me and I just do what I do what I've been doing and and be put in a sport. That people are just so drawn to because people are jaundiced to draw into martial arts. Even if they don't like it there's something about it that they look at it and think okay. Maybe I'll watch a little bit. Ooh Man that's crazy but let me watch us a little bit because deep down I think has got to be a fighter. It's not easy. Today's Day I mean Y- There's a lot of tough times out there start time. It's like everyone's got to be a fighter in some way so there's lessons to be gleaned but but I want to talk about because those people listening who know fighting that maybe follow Mike Chandler the fighter. I WanNa enlighten him right now. Okay tell me something about Mike Chandler that no one knows like we'll be something that like the foll you go on your instagram. Your twitter your facebook they they're watching on TV and they man might bad man. What's something that someone may not know about Mike? You know I mean I got a couple. I'll give you three things real quick but few few fax number one I have owned a couple of balls in the in the PR with a couple of different bull riders. I gotTa Suss kind of cool like bowls. Yeah I never. I would never write them. Maybe after my career but like so I love bull riding and I've I've friends with a couple of the bull riders and we've owned a couple balls together so that's just something that's kind of cool. I'm not not a big time stock contract or anything like that but I also inherited as Abra whenever I win. Momberg got married so breeze Brie Brie and her dad had Zebra Names Ebb in Columbia Missouri. So I claim that But I think the third I mean I think the third thing a little bit more personal. I'm a pretty big like emotional crier and I will actually cry a lot more before. Britos whenever we're watching like movies or American idol or the bachelor or one of one of these things one of these one of these things where it's just like kind of emotional or like a movie and she'll she knows what I'm about to crack because I start laughing right before I start crying and she looks over me like I. I think it's I think that's because men you know me. And my my mindset coaches Jim Hanzel. We kind of went through this process. The mayhem mindset and and I think what we came up with was the fact that it's a perfect mixture between joy and tenacity bridging the gap with discipline. And I think that's what really encompasses my life that joy and also just being being able to be emotional mixed with the crazy nasty tenacity that I have and I bring to the cage and everything I do in my life. I'm trying to couple with this thing that we're not the baddest man on the planet is watching the Bachelor and crying. Well it depends especially the Bachelor. Bachelorette these days. Just become way too much reality like really bad drama reality TV show but you know like watching watching you know where someone's dream comes true when they win American idol or they win the voice or like I think sappy movie our or definitely sappy movie big time movie Guy But You know I just love. San People reach their goals. I love seeing people. I love seeing people. Break the chains. You know we were talking about the chains today. I was carrying chain doing doing lunges. And everybody's got those one like five ten thousand pounds. No but you know everybody's got those chains that they need a break and I love seeing people. Break those chains. Because I've had numerous breakthroughs where I've I'm just like. Wow I haven't made it yet but I know my best days are still ahead of me and I keep on continuing moving forward that course of action and cry here and there my cry more than my wife. No big deal. Whatever but one thing watching you care those change today. I can tell folks this is Mike. Works is tail off always has always will come from WanNa talk training for a couple of minutes. I hope you're enjoying this episode. As a matter of fact before you hear the rest of the amazing story. Let's hear a word from one of our sponsors. Today's episode is sponsored by my friends over at Carnoustie Beta Alan. Let me ask you a question. Who's looking amp up your workout routine your training routine? You WANNA get stronger. Faster more explosive. You Improve Your endurance. Well my friends. Carnoustie Beta Alanine is an ingredient found with many of the top pre and post workout supplements along with the right training program and the proper nutrition. You've got to eat right. Arnesen Beta Alanine is going to help build your strength endurance. And your power. How you do it well. Essentially three point two grams a day. 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I love the strength and conditioning side of things. Probably more than I love any of the other so any of the other stuff I love it. More than sparring with more than grappling eleven more than wrestling It's probably it probably is tied with just hitting pads. I love hitting paths with my coach. Inner hooved I mean his his best in the world yeah. His his kickboxing style is just so simple. It's so simple and it's so devastating and you know so I love I love doing that and And loved him standing edition and I think I get a little bit of flack on on my social media stuff because people were just say man. All you do is post. You know stranding dishing stuff when you do other stuff and I do other stuff but I think more people are drawn to the strength conditioning crazy stuff. That's that's the most entertaining stuff. So but I think that I think there's there's a very big misconception and especially in the sport of mixed martial arts that people think strength conditioning is just a very very small Supplementation of your training. It should just be a little bit of strength here and they're a little bit of cardio but I think if I can be the biggest fastest strongest and also incorporate my body work and my flexibility and my recovery. Why wouldn't I just want to become the best athlete? I possibly can inside the cage at the end of the day. It's two athletes going against each other. And yes the striker is going to be able to land more punches in. Yes the grappler is going to have the chance of getting submission but the better athlete in the bed. The one who's in bed in the best condition is in the best scenario. The best the best possible has the best possibility of winning. How how about diet? How does that tie in your training? Not so much like the week before fights but like overall now as you get ready for your next fight what are some of your top kind of principles that you follow to make sure that you get in great shape computer training to three times a day. Sometimes where a few things that you do to make sure that your fuel about properly You know for me I always. I always just have a nice big chunk of protein. Big Chunk of Vegetables and then I have. I was doing not a lot of carbs for a while. No no potatoes. No none of that for a while. And I've incorporated a lot of sweet potato. I almost have a sweet potato or at least a half a sweet potato. Almost every single lunch snack and then Dinner as well they call that the perfect food's taste the perfect exactly and that was something that was missing for for a while and the thing for me to is. I'm I'm wearing eighty five right now. I'm going to get down to one fifty five so thirty pounds. No no small task so I thought you know chicken and veggies in and ground beef and Broccoli and whatnot would be the best way to get down but now experimenting on my own body and supplementing the sweet potatoes and it has gotten me just as lean just just easily down the way and I actually have a lot more energy which is nice ways they can. I see some people right now scratching their heads. You just brushed over the fact you have to lose thirty pounds yeah. I don't have much fat on me. Right now. Is that normal is typically walk on fiving and go down to about one. Fifty five yeah. That's that's where I'm at right now. Probably one eighty five eighty six. So how does that happen It's just it's it's a long process. I mean the the problem with weight cutting when you try to do it at the very very end and the beauty of weight cutting is you know. It's it's beauty but it's also to the detriment that you can lose fifteen pounds in eighteen hours. No problem losing losing that kind of water weight and the last ten pounds is water weight and for me the more muscle you have number one. The high the high the higher your metabolic your resting metabolic rate is and number two of the more the more muscle you have the more water. You can suck out of the muscles as well. Because that's what holds all the All the water so I lose when I first start training my training camp when I start taking out certain foods and start taking out certain drinks take certain in no processed foods. I lose ten pounds away. You know just through guys. Senior grand stories like chicken and Broccoli. Yeah then it goes into that you know. I have a meal. Prep company mega meals. Who they they cook all the meals ship to me and then I'm able to just throw them in a pan and it just makes. Things seamless so obviously professional athlete. That's the kind of investment that I need to make myself to be able to do that so but meal. Prep is is the most important thing when it comes to that. I see you guys doing it. And twenty-five chicken breasts or she does and all that kind of stuff and then cut them up and then boom you got them for the week. I'd be remiss if I didn't talk about every time you walk in this door here. You've got a gallon of water. Yeah your water travels with you throughout the Jim. How important for you hydration. So important especially from my sport when I'm training when I'm training mixed martial. I mean the amount of head collisions. That happened the amount of punches that happen. I WanNa make sure my brain last as long as possible and that the most important thing for me is the Omegas the anti-inflammatories the antioxidants and just being extremely hydrated so I'm over hydrated almost all times. Hopefully I wanna I wanNA be able to. I want to have to run to the bathroom every once once every hour. Yeah I want that to happen. So I've seen on your instagram stories. And some some of the shares that you have you know you you use supplements you've gotten different scoops your pre workout. You're post workout. What what are you taking supplements? You typically use on a regular basis so I've actually been doing a lot. An error have gotten a lot of research sent to me about creating and the brain these days. Because I didn't do a lot of preteen and I think there is such a misnomer because you know whenever you're in high school and the only problem is we're ano explode Marino explode back in the day and it was a tons of caffeine and federal Blah and then creating because that's what the what the gym warriors wanted to take so I always kind of shied away from because I'm professional athlete. I don't need to take creatine. That's sort of realizing all the studies that show all the benefits and the brain with creating. So I've been taking creating every morning creating as and you were the first one that told me you sip on all day long. You GotTa You. GotTa lender bottle. You know I'm I'm drinking. Bca's and creating in the morning and then just take a handful of pills that are pretty much Carnitine derive boss Omegas Krill oil Ubiquonol CO Q. Ten and then I take Translates very our reservoir which is And then curcumin tons of curcumin especially. You're one of the first ones that turn onto that right after surgery whatnot. I was taking ten million milligrams so anything that's an anti inflammatory antioxidant And then the Omegas and then just by my trace minerals of multivitamins and then tons of tons of water and then protein shakes after workouts and then a lot worse in a lot of hard work and it's and it's really not that's the problem too. Is Everyone asks these questions and they want they want the secret. Yes the secret how do I? How do I look like you? Do I train like you? How do I how do I get like you? And unfortunately I can't really tell you. There's no silver bullet. All it is hard work over the last twenty years a lot of discipline. 'cause you eat clean yeah because you're sleeping you're recovers amped up. I once had a a former. Nfl linebacker tell me when you're young. You're body's beautiful and your brain is Mush when you get older in your career. Then your brain becomes beautiful and your body becomes mush and peak. Performance happened somewhere in between when Derek Smith former. Nfl linebacker show on my good right there. So how do you? How do you take your body? Extend the shelf life of your body long as we possibly can keep your brain sharp meaning also blaming experience. How experienced pays off in the cage on the field? Or you know on the corridor on the Gridiron. Whatever may be so. It's extend that nutrition recovery sleep supplements all of these things. Definitely pay off Mike. We've talked about this a thousand times. What does get your mind right media for me. It's it's the motivation of knowing that I have a great opportunity. You know I mean because so many times so many times we we get caught up in the me me me mentality of you know this is what I have to do. This is what I WANNA do. This is what I I but if I wake up because everybody asks me how do you say stay so motivating stay so disciplined? And I just say it's very simple. I realize that I've been given some amazing gifts and I can walk through these doors fitness ten on my to capable legs. I had these two capable arms and I have this very very capable body that got us. Bless me with to be able to go out and do something amazing with my life and if I don't get my mind right every single morning and thank the Lord above for the opportunity that I have looked at my wife look at my son look at my blessings and realize how truly blessed I am and this is all going to be this all will end eventually and if you don't have your mind right every single day you're not going to be able to get as much as you could out of this race car out out of this vessel out of this opportunity that you have. And what if someone listening if they is not a professional fighter and doesn't look at their body as I've got two great arms too strong legs and evidence working fluidly? What would you tell them on how to get their mind right many? Would everybody has an opportunity to inspire? It doesn't have to be physical. I mean what we're doing with with our voices right now. They got his blesses with what in. And what? Wh- what we bring to the world. We underestimate so much that we were a creation made in the image of an Almighty God. And yes we we all have our deficiencies and we all have our hindrances. And we all have our our pros and cons and we all have but we all have something and that something might be the exact thing that needs to be brought to a certain sector of the world to be brought to a certain lane of the world a brought to a certain Fraction of people on this earth. And that's always the hardest thing to how do I find my passion? How do I find my calling you know rick? Warren's the purpose driven life how how do I find my purpose right and sometimes it's sometimes it's revealed people right away. Sometimes it takes decades in sometimes it takes a lot of pain and a lot of striving and a lot of clawing for for what you want and what you think you want to live to be able to find that but no matter where you're at got me right where you are and you have to meet yourself right where you're at as well and give yourself don't focus so much on being perfect focus on being just focused on being successful every day and Mike you epitomize that because as you listening folks a Mike's had five losses career. He's been knocked out. I remember there's been times in your career where you question yourself yourself right so. Please don't think that this is easy for Mike. Because he's a fighter. Have you ever got knocked out before you have confidence? All these things are creeping up. You GotTA get your Mind Right. And sometimes it takes days and weeks. It takes some time away but I always save myself. You feel sorry for Yourself. Put timeframe to it of like okay. I'm giving myself twenty four hours Or at three days or whatever it is for myself and I've got to wipe the dust off my butt up and get back in the gym now and start training again hit after so otherwise they'll go on for weeks and months and next thing you know you're living with some lethargic and your life and next thing you know you're not feeling great and you're not eating well and it's all kind of snowballs and compounds As well I've heard you talk about something. Called your mental highlight reel and I love it. what is your mental highlight. Reel all about. And how can it help someone be their best? A mental highlight reel. Is it on the surface? It sounds like the most Self conceded the most self consumed thing on earth. Because it's it's literally just being able to close your eyes and Pat Yourself on the back and remember and remind yourself how awesome you were in this competition or how much you exceeded your expectations during this match or during this fight or during this meeting or this presentation were But there's nothing wrong and I think that was the big thing I talk about. I came from that small. Small guy from the small town and pride was the biggest thing. People people hated pride. You shouldn't have pride. You shouldn't be conceded. You shouldn't be this. You should be that but if you don't think of yourself as a champion if you don't think of yourself as somebody that deserves great things if you don't remind yourself how awesome you are. You will be mediocre. You might not even be mealy mediocre. It'd be less than mediocre so I I had to personally. I had to personally make a list and I read it in a book called mind. Jim Gary Mack wrote it and he talked about the mental highlight reel and a lot of the athletes that we all grew up watching and look up to. They have used this technique where they have they take a piece of paper or they ride on their phone and they have the you know for me. It was beating Cuyler Sanderson at at on senior night. Asu or there was me beaten this guy at nationals. For me it was this fighter for me. It was this presentation now I just. I just did a keynote. A couple of weeks ago. I have that on my mental highlight. Reel remembering how well I did. Compared to how thought I was going to how good I thought I was going to do and put a feather in your cap put. Put a smile on your face and realize men Michael. You did a good job. Because that's what I did not do because sometimes sometimes we can get so caught up and especially from me. The blue collar mentality of work hard work hard work hard but yeah all the hard work and all the accomplishment without acknowledging that accomplishment leads to trying to be perfect and trying to or trying to never build your self image up. Because you're just the hard work and you know laborer. No you want to be the champion. You WanNa be the guy you want to look at yourself as a champion. You can't do that without making that list and reminding yourself of all the Times you've done way better than you thought you were going to all the time all the metals all the accolades all the thumbs up in the pats on the back from all the other people. When you thought you weren't going to be able to do it and then you did it. And everybody said man he did awesome. Yep put that on. Your mental highlight reel and rehearse that every day two times a week three times a week once a week and don't be afraid to be your biggest fan because if you don't believe in you how is anybody else going to believe he knew I could. I could sit here and I could sit here and tell you todd. I think you're the best this in your best that and you're the best everything but if you don't believe that about yourself it's just lip service coming from me and that's where. I fell victim. Big Time to my to myself image. I wasn't able. I wasn't able to compete where I needed to compete. Because I thought I was just needed to be a hard worker and I don't need to believe I don't need to believe myself I don't need to I don't need to. I don't want to pat myself on the back. I gotTa keep going going going but if you don't take take take the time to stop and smell the roses number one year susceptible to burn out and number two. You're never going to believe that you are ever going to be able to consistently perform as a champion. You'll be champion every now and then but you won't ever be able to consistently perform their man. I can see people shaking their heads up and down right now because what happens so many times whether it'd be a a young athlete a High School Kid Or An adult entrepreneur. A pro is we create mental low light reels. We have negative thoughts and we see ourselves striking out in baseball. And you know not performing your or fumbling and you fixate on that what you're not doing well and to shift the mindset which is called visualization which is called really seeing. Your mental highlight. Reel Mike I really love that because I think all of us can visualize and use a mental highlight. Reel more often in our life to see that to visualize at to see your your great performance. What does it see like is what does it? What does it feel like? What what does it look like? How does it smell so folks? You're listening today. Even if you're just in the corporate world think about your mental highlight reel about as a leader. How are you leading your your team? What are you doing? What's your by language? Like what your energy exuding. What's your light looking like because all of these things count in your mental holly real versus thinking about on not good enough. I'm not I'm not strong enough. I'm not young enough. I'm not old enough all the head. Trash the stinking thinking that goes on our head. We've got a literally you know. Snap the ban and get our mind right great stuff on the Mike and the and the other the other side of it too is not only should we not focus on the negatives in the low lights but I would just encourage everybody to give themselves permission to love themselves like crazy and let's just be able to sit there in a room by yourself. Close the door and scream from the from the top of your lungs. I am the greatest I am this I am that I believe in myself because of this that and the other thing now you go into public in you start walking around with your you know we all know what caucus and I think. That's what I was. I was so afraid to be the cocky guy. I don't want to rub people the wrong way. I don't want to be too cocky. I I WANNA be humble in my in my. I want to be humble with the way I carry myself. But you can find that that that mixture between humility and also extreme self confidence. And you can't do that without a highlight reel but be your biggest fan. Give yourself permission to love yourself and love your skills and love. How good you are at what you do or else you're never going to be able make it to the top. Do you think. Muhammad Ali was one of the greatest at that. He was absolutely great at that and I think his that was that ended up being part of his that ended up. Being big part of his persona. People people love the and that was the great thing and I think you know you look at a guy like conor McGregor now here in twin twenty twenty people look at them and they think man's too cocky. He's this and he's at and yeah he's done some really silly things but I am mature enough in my in my quest for my own personal self growth and even even as a guy who out. He's in my weight class. You Know He. He's a guy that I would love to fight but I still can look at him and respect the fact like we need more people who believe in themselves more than they believe in it than but more than they believe in anything else in the entire world because if he believes in himself that means he can exude that to his team into his his son. You think his sons not going to believe in himself now. It can be used in the very wrong direction. Obviously but I want people I want people to give themselves permission to believe in themselves so darn much and then dial it back if they get too big. But don't be afraid of getting too cocky or don't be afraid of getting too confident with without knowing that you have the safety net of safety net of being humbled and pull yourself back. 'cause I came from. Don't believe in yourself at all right. Just be the be the lowest of the low in down there you know pecking around with the chickens and his look up there as the eagles are soaring and believe in themselves and now I wanna be up there with the Eagles and look down and try to pull up those chickens man. I'm only to train again today. I'm so fired unless goes right now. Let's go I was leaving this morning. The House and When I told the kids I was going to see you today I was going to be doing a podcast with you. My daughter McKenna. She asked Said Dad. Can you ask Mike? What's it like to approach the cage before fighting back scared so when you're approaching the cage for a big fight are you scared? What no no. And that's that is probably the as we talked about. I'm in that point. Zero zero zero one percent of the population. Most people will never ever walk to a cage and get into a fistfight in front of a bunch of people so I understand. That's that's like one of the big questions that people ask because it makes a lot of sense because you know you look at us and we looked confident but you we all know. We've seen people confident on the outside but dying on the inside. You know but you know I think I really have always been I. Don't know if it's just a calmness or if it's or if it's just a confidence or if it's just accepting of the risk that I'm about to take mixed martial arts I mean you've seen you've you follow my career. I've been the most prepared I've ever been in my life. I step into the cage. They get knocked out in a minute or I have a crazy injury in the first minute and you lose a fight. I've been had a really bad training camp not feeling so hot but I'm still ready to go into the cage. All of a sudden a guy on thirty seconds there is no. There is no amount of work that you can put in. That will guarantee great success. So you're tied onto a roller coaster. You're tied onto a tornado. You have to be able to step into the cage. Accepting of the risk that you're about to take in the in the The tumultuousness of the ups and downs in the ebbs and flows of words about the happen. So I think it's number one. I'm number one. I'm not I'm not scared of the man in front of me because I know I've trained extremely hard number two. I'm really not afraid to lose. I think now the older I've got. I'm not afraid to lose because when I lose I will promise you that my God will still love me. My family will still love me. I will still love me and I. I wasn't able to say that a couple years ago. You know just five years ago I I. I was so wrapped up in the sport of mixed martial arts. It was my identity but men I lose now and I can go home to my wife and my son and they don't even care you know God definitely doesn't care he just a he's like come on dust yourself off. I promise I promise the better things are in store and better things will come from. This and I will still love me because I know that every single person I've ever looked up to has been a failure at one point or another. They have been a failure of a competition. Failure of a of a an account. F- failure business failure of X. Y. Z. Yet when I look at them I think well. That's just part of the process. He's going to be back or she's going to be back but when I looked at myself I thought it was a death sentence. I lost a fight. I lost that first. Bite Eddie Alvarez. I thought it was a death sentence. I immediately went into hiding immediately. Forgot how good I was and I immediately put myself in the metaphor jail cell of getting comfortable in the self pity you know so now the older. I've gotten it's not that I don't care if I lose but I I really. I know it doesn't define me and I know every single time lost. It's all it's been revealed to me every single time I've lost I've gained more following more respect a bigger platform and then ended up with a bigger contract financially. Then if I would've won. Yeah so the proof is in the pudding. Don't be afraid to lose. Put yourself out there. Fall flat on your face and that is. I think that's the beauty of what mixed martial arts is too because you've ever ever looked at somebody and been like Dang that's that's tough to take That's embarrassing ooh. That's that's rough especially you watching all these guys. And but there's an inkling inside you that says but I wish that was me You know why because he took a chance. She took a chance. They put themselves out there to get embarrassed and fall flat in a flat on their face in front of millions of millions of people. And that's what people are drawn to whether they're admit or not. We were designed for a battle to fight and adventures to have. And if you're not doing that not pushing yourself. There's an inkling you when you watch other people do it. That even if they're getting embarrassing getting crushed. You want that man. Parents look down on time stamp right now and mark that tape and share that clip with your kids that is gold. Right there I think that I think of John. Wooden thought about preparation treasury preparation and the process. The practice has got to be harder than ever before. And you know my my High School Football Coach Really Warren Wolf talked about the five p's perfect practice produces peak performance. It almost sounds keep a sense of peace. And when you go into the ring that you've done everything you can you can lay it all on the line and it's the man in the arena or the man in the arena. You'd rather be in the in the arena competing and fighting and that stuff so I'll be sure to make sure I let McKenna. No you're not scared going here at peace because this is the practice in preparation I want to end it with just talking about Your Life. Mike and I know fighting only one part of your overall life and I know You Know Your Wife. Brie and and Your your son. Hap. What brings you the most joy today out of everything you do. I think it's I think it's watching my son grow you know watch- watching my son grow and also watching my relationship with bree as our son is growing you know. We went through a really tough time over the last two years moving across the sea. I mean we. We had so many life changes in and it was funny. You and I had this conversation and I told you okay. I'M GONNA move to Nashville. We're going to build a house. We're yeah we're going through the process of adopting. We're going to open a gym or we're going to go into all this debt and we're GonNa do all this stuff and you're like hey you think that's a good idea and I'm like todd. Trust me I got this Bro. You know and in a lot of ways we come out smelling like a rose on the other side and we did we. We handled it with grace and did really well but it was a very tough time because we had so many life changes in such a short amount of time and and what what I have now on the other side of it is. I gotTa make sure that I am living my life within my strengths and doing the things that bring me joy you know and because like I said what were my three things joy into nasty bridged bridging the gap with the discipline of sport and of my profession. And if I don't have that joy I can't have the tenacity and I'm definitely not going to be disciplined. I was I was in a place where I was so undisciplined because I had so many things going on so now. Just simplify my life and watching my son you know. He's he's adopted so he he isn't he wasn't supposed to look like me or any of that kind of stuff right but he looks exactly like me. He acts exactly like me. He's facial expressions are exactly like me. So it's just it's so cool and I'm painting this masterpiece when I'm going out and fighting and I'm or I'm doing these types of things. I'm painting this masterpiece. And and hopefully putting out a blueprint that he can see. And and I don't even want him to form his own opinions of me. I want him to hear from my peers from my fans from my co workers from the People. I've trained with from the people that I've touched. I want them to be able to say happy. Chandler Your Dad. Is this this and this? And this is who he is to me and I want him to be able to form his opinion of WHO. His Dad is because of the reputation that I've been able to hold myself to and that I'm not always going to do things right and heck I'm GONNA fail a lot but soon you're gonNa Watch me fail and you're GonNa Watch me come back from it and you're able to watch me as a man continue in the course of action with complete disregard to my previous failures or any opposition had had an M. I. Direction. So just you know when we met I. Was You know? Twenty Twenty six or twenty seven years old right and now here at thirty three going on thirty four I got a son and a wife. And like we're just were settling into this next chapter of our lives and I still feel like I'm that twenty six year old kid who came in here Fitness question the first day because I still have that fire me to compete but the thing that brings in the most joy is being dead world. Champion Amazing Hope Millionaire and and author and speaker and all these different things that I wanna do is awesome but the greatest title than I will ever have his dad his dad his father. You know his POPs is whatever he wants to call me. That's that's where I really get the joy and that's where I really realized that I was put on this earth for that more than anything. Everything else is just a cherry on top. Wow Mike where can our guests follow? You learn more about you. Watch your training. See what you're doing. See HAP- jumping around the living room. Because I love watching that. Can you share some of your your handles please all all my hands are actually just at. Mike. Chandler Manet So at Mike Chile instagram's where I do a lot of my stuff You know I wanNA start. I'll start getting more active on youtube in that kind of stuff. I want to start doing more long. Form stuff As I started doing more speaking in a more more of that kind of stuff. But that's kind of an inside look of my training my nutrition my mindset my life my my son and my wife. Yeah well let me tell you guys. Follow him because he is putting such amazing positive content out into the world. Although he is a professional fighter. Who'S IN THE CAGE? Fighting for a living it goes even beyond the routine with his training is nutrition because the literally the nuggets that quotes the mindset that you are sharing. Mike I know is literally impacting. Millions of lives and to me. That's why we call this. The impact show is because it's all about impact and you are a man of impact so follow Mike Chandler at Mike Chandler. M A at the end follow him. Light him up the him. He's an amazing man. Final question for you Mike. We talked about impact. Impact his legacy. What's the legacy of Mike Chandler? All about I think it's you know it's it's it's somewhat of an underdog story somewhat somewhat of a rocky story somewhat of a somewhat of a story of of a a guy who like. I said I was a small guy from a small town. Just like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people that are listening to this or or waking up every single morning thinking well. I'm just from Mississippi. I'm just from you know Gary Indiana. I'm just from this little town. I'm not from you know because I never had had never been to. La Never Been in New York had never been never traveled outside of Missouri for twenty something years. But whether you're a little guy from a little town who was taught to do little things or you are on the complete opposite end of the spectrum you have so much to give this world no matter what no matter what you choose to. Do you have so much to give this world as long as you operate with integrity always protect your character and stay and stand guard at the door of your mind because you are what you are where you are because what it goes into your mind and that's what we're doing today and I I just want to be able to. I Wanna be able to let my fights be a metaphor for all the struggles. Everybody's going through no matter if you lose the first round and you lose the second round you lose the third round you lose the fourth round you can come back in that fifth round you know and even if you lose that fight you can come back and find yourself a much more mature happier healthier harder to kill individual and That's just kind of been my. That's what I want my legacy to be. I Want I want people to say man that guy. Maybe wasn't the best fighter. Maybe he wasn't maybe he maybe he didn't reach. You know the potential that I wanted him to be as a fan or how did he didn't fight? This guy didn't fight that guy. Maybe he didn't fight in the organization. We WanNA invite him but that guy fought his tail off. That guy fought for everything that he believed in and he never wavered his yes was yes and his no was no and he was he operated in a way that. I want my son my daughter to look at and say just check this guy out follow his stuff follow his follow his his journey because I think a lot of you and him I see a lot of him in you and I think that's the way I can make the biggest impact on this earth man words from a true champion might chandler. Thank you for being here today. Thank you for sharing your wisdom today. folks make sure that you share this episode because what you just heard from. Mike a Pitta mize's many people's lives that underdog that man or that woman who is constantly striving to be their best period. Whatever your occupation. Whatever your career whether your mom or dad were all fighting to be the best that we can possibly be and Mike Chandler. A pedometer that so Mike. Thank you for what you do. We're going to be watching all you folks out there. Make sure that when Mike Fights again I'll certainly be announcing it you You Follow Mike. And let's let's get in that arena and let's light him up and fire him up and keep him strong as well so Mike. Thanks so much for today. Keep on keeping on with my kids. Both were can't be tipped rows here. We've got an extra couple of minutes with I'M GONNA do. Is this number one. I wanted a thank you for listening to that episode. Was that awesome or what? Mike Chandler was bringing the heat. He was trying to knock us out with those punches right. There have to share that. Your kids need to hear that your friends and colleagues here that please share this episode. I mean even if you're not a fight fan you gotta love Mike Chandler. What he represents as someone who can Tinley fights to be the best man that he could be. We're all trying to strive to be the best we can and Mike offer to my tremendous wisdom and lessons that all of us can apply in our lives. So please share this episode and always. If you enjoy this please go to itunes. 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"Witnessing Jesus" by Zach Barkman

Strength to Strength

1:12:48 hr | 2 months ago

"Witnessing Jesus" by Zach Barkman

"The one may be overpowered by another two can withstand him a threefold cord is not only good morning. Everyone welcome back here to strength strength bryant all mostly now from state college and excited. Have zac bargain with us here this morning. And he's coming to us from the country of thailand and the city of chiang mine where he and his wife and their little son judson And another shouts in com are. They're studying linguistics at the university Zach is a member with on nations by translation a member in trading. He clarify that little bit ago. I with me. I wish is right But he's kind of between the member training stage and being a member actually getting to the filled Zach has a real interest in the asia. bible is people groups there and Our prayer is that guy believed him a team into that part of the world there to see god's get translated into into their language and zach. Tell me how old are you. Twenty states zack is twenty six years old as a young man. He's a man who has been applying himself for the last number of years longtime actually in just being A faithful follower of jesus zach has a role vision to see the kingdom of god spread on her and nessa vision that he's held for a long time which is why we have manja this morning. He he's been interested in evangelism for years. And i'm curious zack. When how as you think back into your life what when you hit the streets to go evangelizing or go reaching people. I noticed part of your life. And what really and now that in in this Came this This paper that you our this talking to begin this morning but How how young. What was your age that you got out on. The streets Jesus in a big i was eighteen. I actually it was. My family moved here anand. The by had a friend here who would surely a charismatic Dragged me out to the the night markets where there were a lot of foreigners and People and that's when i really started started getting into. Yeah yeah interesting That's that's that's great so When zach was at god's by school setting greek in preparing to be a translator he had class on evangelism and and he wrote this paper called witnessing jesus and It's a it's a it's a title that says what like what are you. What are you shooting for here in this in this paper and so recently i heard Zach talk about share-out Topic on this paper that you wrote and said does act. You need when you get you. Strength strength strengthen. Have you talked about that here. So it's good to have you with us here this morning. Zach looking forward to hearing you share and i. This is a group of people on this call. Who care deeply about being faithful witness for jesus kingdom and we're we're always thinking about what. What does that look like so looking forward to single you have to share before we get started. I just have a have awarded prayer. Pray father thank you for your mercies are new this morning. Thank you lord in debt. We can come to you in confidence with with joy. And it's not just because jesus has died on the cross but as it says it rooms a but farther more he is risen and he is seated at at at your right hand. At god's right hand are father's right hand and his interceding for us there into that gives us much hope much Rest much piece in nine net and also We we we know that. Jesus commission us to go and be witnesses of yours to all the safafa asked laura debt as zack shares. Give him a word speak. Give them a clear. Mind father and may you be glorified. It may your kingdom come in new way through this talk Then we asked this in. Jesus name right. It's all yours. Zach by the way glenn zach will wanna share his screen so hopefully you got that setup there four okay so all your start by sharing my screen here. Don't forget later ended some right here. It's good to be with you. All this is the third time. I've made it live to join you down actually recently. Here's we moved to thailand and gutter home. Set up here have had a lot more time to listen while i was cleaning up our our yard and things like that. So i've been catching up on the podcasts and really have enjoyed the The i think it's key and country series huge courage to me so for those of you in charge of this. Thank you for what you're doing in spent huge blessing to me. I think i think the timing is interesting as well was a dumb ill Say shyly what was beat. His notionally so i really enjoyed his talking identified a lot with with him and mike taylor was that but great to be with you all the title. I have here. Is witnessing jesus and that's supposed to be a double meaning so the title. Witnessing jesus modern methods of evangelism by jesus's gospel conversations. Kind of a twofold meaning. They're like. Brian talked about ever since. Yeah god really started working in my life here. In in asia one major part of that has been going out and doing ministry with strangers. That's looked a variety different weights You've seen people out reaching her braying talking to people. It's likely that. I used one of those methods that you've seen or been with people that have and and i don't give that an so. I've been doing this for about eight years now. And a lot of campus ministry during the time that i was studying cincinnati ohio studying hebrew and greek there in preparation to transition. I don't give that background to give it back or not to say that i have attained. You'll see this. Paper came out of a lot of conviction on sort of second word of the meaning of the stock. Wouldn't sink in light of studying the way jesus People compared to the ways. Maybe i had on that conviction came out of years and years of doing this and not seeing That i would like to see. And maybe that's perfectionism or something. That's wrong with me. But certainly has fire into see more fruit on more souls for kingdom So i just wanna share here at home at the end of this talk that all of us can see the beauty of the way that jesus interacts with people. Unless keyboards and that we can be encouraged to to do the same to the gospel. Which here on wpro So that's that's my goal. And i also wanna look at some bills so witnessing jesus the last time you talked to a stranger about jesus how did you feel A lot of us feel nervous. This this talk will really be focusing on their many ways to share the gospel but this talk will be focusing on iraq. Strings case of discipleship Those things that come afterwards. Lawless at on the relational evangelism. That's a bit of different conversation. I want to talk about ways. First interaction with people whether you're going out on the street in order to talk people each people people or whether you can meet somebody in an elevator thing and that first conversation that how does that go. A lot of us are afraid actually Conversations have been doing this for eight years. And i still be nervous to talk with strangers. I am an intra herge. I don't think of myself as gifted evangelists. I don't know if i have the gift of manuals the spiritual But i believe we've all been called to preach the gospel In my life and so some statistics the reflect this seven percent of americans is that sor- context frequently have spiritual conversation. So it's not only so yet americans at large. Just don't even talk about since much in seventy nine percent of people. I think as christians tat spiritual conversations less than once a week so that's kind of a culture that at least in america or going into ten men often. There's a lot of fear involved with that now. A lot of us don't know how to begin in in our evangelist sheriff's people and that's where people stepped doug to write books in and give methods and things like that to try and hello will start a conversation. How do you share. The gospel of jesus often from much of a kingdom or in bacchus perspective is what hide enjoyed listened to here on on the strengths strain the content here and so town but just a to get believers witnessing one one of those maybe As is his message those kind of things and so just looking at that here I i wanna look at. I wanna look a lot at the message because later on mytalk minute talk about the message that jesus brought. That's something that has been focused on heavily here in the country series. But i wanna talk about. I think some problems. Maybe you've used these methods. Maybe you've seen them and from my experience What be wrong with them. Summating heard of the four spiritual laws. This was founded by bill. Bright started campus crusade for christ in nineteen fifty one and they had this this tracks the fear laws. If you've never heard them it goes like this. God loves you and offers a wonderful plan for your lights. Number one number two. All of us in our sin is separated from number three. Jesus christ is god's only provision for our sin number four. we must injured individually received. Jesus christ the savior And then we can no experienced levin blend for our lives so obviously campus crusade for christ quite a name for for what they wanted to do. Now now news crew for are trying to reach people with the message of the gospel and and this was the message that shared. He's four spiritual laws aims to synthesize. The bible says about the gospel so this is trying to provide. That in summarized is just trying to be clear. Obviously it's short. But i've become convinced that the four spiritual laws are al-sadis way much less the check digit today than they may have been there originally presented. Maybe they were very effective seventy years ago. But i don't think that the message communicate what we're trying to communicate Especially for those of us who are trying to like people into the kingdom and bring a message on that that is on par with the historic faith was so what are the issues with the four spiritual laws Well i think in talking to a lotta people. Agnostics and mostly college students who are incredibly post-christian and having so the concept of what the bible story is that the four laws presents the message here as a bunch of laws are changed into to principle. so i don't know if that reflects the changes in the organization. I don't like the word bond for you. Know for principles that removes it from the bible story right so this i was thinking about this again. Here the talk strength strength about The old testament prophecy But this presents the message Completely removes from god's creation world from adamantly the story of israel and it makes i think jesus i coming in arbitrary occurrence. That could have an honestly. If you just this these four laws probably should have occurred at the very beginning of history instead. Thousand there's no concept. A of god's story redemption where history was throwing and god's will for the world. Da carson observed. This all wasn't talking house method cereal. But here's what he said they don't have the song slide. So this year says in the past evangelism presuppose that most unbel- whether they were atheists or agnostics or diaz earliest new. The bible begins with god that he made the universe. Virtually everyone knew. The bible has two testaments. History moves in a straight. Want a new that christians believe. There's a heaven christmas they knew. It was bound up with jesus's birth friday and easter with jesus's death the resurrection. Those were the givens so what we pushed. The carson says what we pushed evangelism was the seriousness of freedom of grace. Jesus really is what his death is about. We urgency of repentance and faith many of saying risks that was within journals. I don't think that is enough for everyone anymore. Because of the way that a lot of our culture of the west i would say has become incredibly close christian in temporary presentations of gospel. I think desperately needed restoration of the the old end we testi- that gives this languages said him plan for your life instincts. Meeting and under these conditions The carson boat evangelists means starting for the so. You'll find if you start going out. I know many have done this a lot. Talking to strangers about jesus wanted people don't have the concept of bible is really out of the kingdom especially that jesus was was bringing in the kingdom is not is in our midst now because of jesus is coming back from actually and much less concepts of match rate which is sometimes called the of salvation. So so i think there are things with this method needed careful about. Maybe you use it but we should watch. And that's that it doesn't start in far enough back. And it presented as an abstract message without on the story of the kingdom of god turf and prison salvation in that framework as a way to become candid. Now i did not use this. Method is heavily ads. This one ray comfort and starred al here by saying that. I don't think it would be in a lotta ways who i am. Without re conference influence. I would encourage anyone do emulates. Maybe watched comforts youtube videos. And it's been mentioned on this podcast or four As being influential i would encourage anyone to emulate raid comforts care and concern for people and the ways that he also interact with people and And is able to communicate often the love of christ people. What about the message that he preaches the way of the master here. Here's the title the way of the master right and It claims to be the way that that jesus would bridge the docile. So let's evaluate spain's right now because claiming to be we attempted attempt to be a correction to prosperity gospel But it was also very preval. The west palm now in the global south Original so i began my experience sharing my faith along with the aid. Inspiration comfortable chairs. So i know how effectively be but i have become convinced. A lot from watching people imitate him. Andhra my own street that his message belts as ball and That's an ironic critique The way the master. But i think it can lead us to to damaging failure to talk to people like jesus flood. Here's what i think you know. Maybe you've heard this approach tonight. Would you go to heaven in re conference new zealand. New zealand accents That's all the museum attempt to get some we. Have you ever heard of the ten commandments. And then you go through. That was a person. And this is based on the concept to the law romans. Three twenty through the law comes to knowledge of sin. And so then you ask them. He goes to the ten commandments of your while. Or what does that make you. have you ever. have you ever stolen anything. And you'd be amazed. They say yes say. What does that made you. You'd be amazed how many people say steeler at that point instead of these but nonetheless So the way of the master. I think it's interesting that the backbone of this approach is also based on the book of romans which was actually written to christians. And i don't think it takes into account the way. That paul himself for presents presents his docile in a lot of context so all briefs strangers many times the book of acts. And surely we shouldn't some of those situations where are parallels modern davidson in consideration but notice book focuses on the content of the book permits. You know walking through chapters one to three over Revelation those disobeying law. All are cinema cinema. Now why i think this goes astray. Because then this approach maps this back onto jesus instead of taking jesus the way wrecks people the good news that he preaches people starting their it. It starts with a couple of checkers maps. I on to all. Jesus interactions actually influences. What stories get when we go to look at jesus and and so he brings out. The rich young will be probably disabled account. That she says confrontational quotes commandments. And apparently festival which now that the evangelists must talk to. People we're sharing with people need to share people without sin About judgment does that in act. Seventeen addressed to the balance we can't rely on a systematic scripted approach to every single. This is the problem technical job. This comes as we use to try and dig message of the gospel to people and it's short circuits the process of aging. We're called to do in listening to people. Think the holy spirit wants to leading us into To sharing word in season tissue saying something that will actually touch the hearts and more on that later i spent many hours after years of inches must spend many hours studying. Jesus organ look at that in a bit here. Here's another method How how should we share with them. I assume we would go that very upfront. Breezeway like this. Maybe cindy sidewalk prophets theft berry bold sometimes vulgar signs shouting about sending judgment those kinds of things at the university of cincinnati island gentleman Common hold hold assignment With pictures of babies this'll against that horrific actors active that the way that he would Yellow cable screaming college students and Was far from the way that we can see is interactive people. So it's another way. Maybe you've seen hopefully not used so looked at three techniques. And i think the problem with all of these can can also be like that said that what we can eventually do and just feeble normal year would i eventually did was come to rely too much on the script or on a certain way to present the gospel. That wasn't sensitive to the whole sphere me to sleep. What they were struggled. An aas guinness wrote a book called fools talk. I would highly recommend for. He is a an apologist and He lasted technique in apologetic specifically as the devils bait. Technique is the devils speights. Was what ause guinness said this again. Fools talk enforced talk as a masterpiece song of the christian communication apologetic persuasion as guinness. Says this quote. Jesus never spoke to people saying why financed you the quote and neither should we. Every single person is unique deserves. An approach there was sets they and The word win. This is what i did talk about going with Witness that's what does it mean when they gives evidence specifically one who testifies the causal before official treadmill or second definition here in this area. Marion western one. Who has personal knowledge. Something and i like that commission because of the waiting. We're supposed to reach people with personal knowledge of jesus and the holy spirit guiding us in our conversations are gospel conversations. Jesus way on jesus way we look in the gospels take a cross section and remember what guinness. Jesus never spoke to people the same way. This is taken cross section near matthew four seventeen nineteen from that time. Jesus began to preach repent for the kingdom. Come near as jesus was walking beside the galilee he saw to Follow me jesus. Said i will send you out. The fish for people only should say through this. We have a message that maybe resonates with different people. Two different kinds of ways that people were maybe rely on. But jesus does it right back to back here in public preaching repentance and and the kingdom. Let's come something the kingdom massively missing from modern and but then he sees a couple of brothers fishing out on their day job obviously a couple of brothers who would have been familiar with. Torah hebrew scriptures is approaches different. Come follow me. An invitation to follow him and really Need to in some sense to be pulses but must apply to us. I will send you out to official people. A commission to be fishers of men to bring the kingdom's look out. Jesus presents it two different ways here just in a couple of versus john four. The samaritan were also familiar to a lot of us at the way jesus interacts. He meets the samaritan woman at the well. And how conversation. Give me a drink you. Please give me a dream started. Thus will conversation that that way and then she talks about how he can't draw water while she's surprised first of all he's even talking to her on the shouldn't be happening because he was a respectable. You choose a spirits. Institutes across areas here. But i want to look at the message. That use escapes. I don't have the texts pulled up here. But in john four. Jesus said if you knew we were speaking to you would ask me. I would give rivers as jesus doing bringing up as bringing up the law. You know Later we find out. Jesus knows that she has had five husbands. And the majors with now knocked. Her husband is jesus to law down in a in a in a okay. Which are the commandments is broken. And what does that made you know. He talks about thirst and something that made me. She wasn't aware she was thirsting for talks about the living water. But he's able to and he says you will never thirst again. She's walking out to this wealth out of the city english neighbor day presumably because she was ostracized from society. Couldn't build on the cool of the morning the other women and she says she will never again if you if you know wyan. And the way. Jesus knew her. John says at the end of chapter two that jesus didn't need any to testify than for. He knew what was ignorant. And that's something that we need to think about when we think about interacting people so the samaritan woman mark ten seven hundred twenty-seven rich young ruler. Now this some people harvest account where jesus addresses the rich in ruler asks. If he's kept the commandments. Says yes and jesus says one thing you lack lead batard books said rely on that account dome bill on mention know that jesus didn't give the four spiritual lots jesus student dependent to say general Sell all didn't have give to the poor and come follow Takes you to follow the invitation kingdom but the messages is different and jesus says things that we will be comfortable with say to emperor maybe a more harsh approach but again that person john two. Jesus knew what was in them. Just look at variety. Jesus so beautiful diversity of jesus preaching to crowds shouting repentance. Really in the vein of john. The baptist's kimmel clad john the baptist and the state times proclaiming. Good news the kingdom screaming scandalously sharing wells merit in this something interesting rebuffing insincere of questions and commitments questions about china's trapping whether questions about divorce questions in our taxes and rebuffs them. What about the time. Eighteen says to the man that wants to follow him with the dead on or off. Foxes have holes happiness volume. We're head the variety ages sometimes mortgage using beautiful. You've ever read the account in matthew fifteen with his communicable which is wrong. She asks for heal. And jesus says it was a fitting Bread to children's Dots a little little dogs. Some changed that she says were yesterday. Even little dogs can crumbs following. Jesus immense her faith was it in her. I think we're trying to figure this account owl. Like jesus trying to say i think a question to ask is what was it. More wasn't Jesus saw in her that condition the He presented resentatives on what more. What about the women. In johnny again caught caught in adultery on maybe tracked in adultery. What does jesus say. Forced loss every kept the commandments. Now he says neither do i condemn you go. Don't send anymore. go and sin. no more neither. Do i condemn you until you. I have met people that needed to hear condemn them and you know there are people lost and rebellious running from the end of ourselves Here on this feelings to convict them of of santa richardson judgment. Says there there are also people that are broken under can arna relationship with god. But but they're impressed on certain with shame logan's We would like windowsill so some may respond. This gets to our our kingdom sort of message. I didn't mention john seven thirty seven. Jesus standards are in the feast and says comes in the water. But i wanna move on here scriptures out. Some have may respond. And i think some people have said well jesus hadn't died yet as the tobin is from the so he couldn't have reached the gospel away audit by which they probably meaning that real way. The problem is that the gospel writers. This was amazing to me. It surveyed officers hansson repeatedly portray jesus proclaiming the good news of kingdom. Says as long. But if you read through it you can't help. Seeing jesus preached possible or need to look at him preach the gospel he preached so we can reach people that he wants us to reach. Jesus says that it is for this purpose that he came to preach gospel spirit of laura's upon him to preach the good news. We need to look at jesus. I anyone claiming to do a better takes on themselves. Pretty amazing amazing presumption. And i certainly don't want. What was it the influence. Jesus is brian by. Because while we don't want to distill things down to a method of sheriff the message to people. We don't want still things down to a script but weeding jesus so wanna know what did. So what can we do. You know maybe there are words that say a scripted but we should follow. But how can we wall system. Say several years ago when i when i wrote this of two things first of all listen to people because as we are following. Jesus jesus john says needed not testified. He knew what was happening now. We don't have the later loads that jesus had But we do have an ability to listen to and it is through that of the holy spirit can help us understand the situation understand. The message they are. They need to hear. I working one day. I had an office job states for awhile. Copiers book in which Happened was broken. Almost more than what's not quite the we. We called in guy to six. It came in working on amazon guy and came into my office. You're looking at software on my computer. I noticed he had a tattoo on handed And had initials on are talking. And we got into this since. I've been trying to orient myself to listen to people started talking about tonight's and what should be. And that's my macro-models ange. Talking about the spiritual journey credibly he shared with me He used to be christian and then he started asking some questions. So i struggled with a lot of doubts as well in my faith journey story for different time but we started talking about that and And eventually shared. What started it all and it was two years ago his hewish latte instead they were really close. That's what started in striven gardens things. I don't know what his background was before. That i asked him what his tattoo. What does that do. Men we initials on establishes and we talk full while prayed for just an incredibly sensitive young guy. I still prayed for him but it is in this way by listening to people that the holy spirit did help us to know. What kind of message. And that's the second thing Voice fear that is our jesus knew what was in there his relationship with the father and so we need to more than following script to be open to the spirit's leading because people can present a front and it can be actually hard to we know what's going on siding. It's at that point. That god can give us insight into the president's to maybe and so listen to people. Listen to spirit. Christian philosopher said dean. I love to listen. So as we fulfill the great commandment great commandments. I love the litter. Dogged seconds love on a for students to listen. That can reach. People got three minutes so when skip over. Paul presentation acts also mason case steadying cultural sensitivity compared with powerful visitation docile. Heddon you can feel free to go ahead zach and share that so all exit team agusan era. He knows so. He starts by sending something really interesting for june to stay to a bunch of pagans says. I see that in every way were very religious. And i don't know how many jains little been willing to say that to the that generous. Maybe touch of sarcasm. If he studied with culture the philosophers in athens may have chuckled in that knowing disciples but again police doubles as being very generous. Da carson again points. Our all's vocabulary is actually when he talks about the story of god's creations awarding ticking especially the creation of the world he uses terms. That are are very familiar to store. It fosters which stoicism o.'s. Very much stadium in athens. I understand why the vocabulary is is appropriate. Here's van carson says but then at the level of the sense of the level of the sentence of the paragraph paul is saying exactly what she wants to say and so then he's communicating the gospel story history showing getting with showing respect at seeing this idol to dot but then brazilian gospel the resurrection in speaking of judgment again Showing inability ability to to know the culture cultures reaching and speaking in their language at sense. And i think a model for us as we will get worse should be will boost christian also wanting to know is to compare act seventeen. It's asked well. Paul himself When he presents the message to jews not tour full towards the mouse story represents a very different way than he does to athens and off. The message does not change ultimately message does not change all warns the unions of judgement. But it takes on very different tones and even different language in some sense Taking engaging the audience and so a couple things over another thing too paul was ready tourism apple as the philosophers subduing things. Well does not mean the message with sector movie with bites those alternate methods message. I hope we did. Not jesus and like i said i came to this point Listening to people listened to your spirit is really a blessing for me then several years. Later to me watchmen news book. And because watchman me it's always great when somebody says the exact same thing and can you're standing on solid ground. this watchmen me chinese church leader out eventually. Said this whenever men came to his book within his book release of the spirit whenever men to the lord about stuff he spoke suitable words. This is a mangin or did not. Speech charitable woman about the trees regeneration. Neither speak to nicodemus outfitting. So those who had never been issued a call to those who wanted to him soga Cross those who volunteered. He spoke of counting the costs to those who were hesitant devour. He spoke of letting the dead has a suitable travel. Is he knows. And i wanna close here with us encouragement for you. You haven't been involved in shape you have. This was really comforting to struggle. With how far i've been from way to jesus was able to watch many also says that's our lord's far ahead of us. We are following him all these other distance. Although we are following at a distance we still have to follow direction has to be the same way lord be merciful so we may learn to know man as he does it is it is doing this with her heart sofala jeans that rated the walk within places of cheering cheering with those who don't know him so that is all i have. Thank you so much zach. For taking on your journey there That was really Challenging and powerful he also gave us some resources that falls. Talk our foes talk. I definitely want to get that book and add to my stack and yes. I'm i think it's important that we have these conversations. It's so easy for us to look for a formula for a several step process. And then try to or a cookie cutter way. Or even you know somehow think that As anna baptist. We don't really have it. You know it's somehow. It's the rick concerts that that got it figured out and to kind of pull that back Help us to see maybe. The how impoverished really impoverished essay that messages than help us see flourishing way of of following jesus in in relating to people as jesus would and and. That's that's the challenge. And it's the way to that. You're you're you're pointing to have more of the story And and i think that we all now here in agree that that story is is way more than just words right. But it's actually shelling and proclaiming. I think that as anna baptist people. We've we've been deeply that we deeply believe that importance of that but so many times we were. We're not we're not able to actually engage intellectually and really As i was just reading as on amazon about that book foles talk in in an ambient to interact with people understanding Worldviews they're coming from and actually Really flip the tables on them and helping to see you know their inconsistencies in in some of the things. I face at her cafe with with atheists send other religions is actually being able to engage intellectually with them. And so that's one of aberdeen's here with strength. The strength is to sharp brains right To really help us to know how to engage people in to have that confidence pull them into a story. It'd be able to tell that story and also not capitulate or not You know a trade it give her a birthright away for porridge. Really um say as the kingdom message is the message in boil down into a three point formula. So i really appreciate what you shared here Screen shotting some of the some of your slide. Shell on the way. The first duty of love is to listen and think about jesus is such beautiful example that we know that he spent three years on a giant camping trip. Across israel with twelve disciples. I am sure he did a lot of a lot of listening in that time Listen to people. Listen to the whole experiment. Thought about how that means. Two things means keeping amount shot right listening to ears mouth also combine. That takes time and that means to sitting with people and listening time And that's something that as americans as western people way too we just wanna. Microwaves get out in the streets. You know. have that little slot for evangelism Three hundred tracks until really good about it. You know we got her advantage. No- now it's time so yeah not not really any questions for the operate shortly. Other brothers here right now off a mind but just comments is really say that was good. I just say that was the biggest that i went on to say. Jesus was missing in the sense that i mean. I read a lot of apologetic books and engage that side and eventually tended to do. Even if it wasn't if i moved past relying on a script does go into sort of. I called a lawyer mode and really trying. To present the thumb specially to say Rushing woods god as argument and often there are people that need that though so convicted and really the lord brought to mind and cameras. I have her was really hearing people's stories that i talked to one to one guy who started talking those not a christian and i asked wa and he just said well because he's bisexual can be appreciative On as interesting to me that he just felt like you know automatically he knew that. But so what did he mean to hear that bottles against his his desire style is sexual orientation while seem like he actually Bible is against them in the catholic background. What he needed to hear. I think i saw back at down. Shared his abel's about the god who created although what god has done arana's not far pulses once and pows creator have the john was more work relationship than anything else has made me About that before that. So yeah. I'm not everybody needs to Listening instead of to volumes books stages yeah. Thank you for sharing So we had a question come in conceptually just for the for questions from from you all but we had a question come in here resume And this is calvin yoder saying i've heard of other speaking as you did of single fruit coming from comfort etc. Do you feel yet seemed better fruit. Come as you have come to us. Better methods that as good question i think i think the best conversations that i have had were early on so god really worked at accepts. The changed my life again story for another time as shared with people justice sensitivity to people talk to people in the night. Orchids here william inches. Almost tears bomb where he wasn't the lord and so in answer that question. Yes like the story. I told him i at work. And maybe more gimmick way of reaching people Trying to listen to people had better conversations. Those more likely conversations. I had before and more like again in through this whole journey. Still what. I try to proceed. Was you'll following up with going out for coffee or something that someone. That's where a lot of this committed conversations. I we've very struggle. We need to preach the gospel to strangers as well not just sort of friends but but it is awesome relationships. Salal that i've had the most journal. Yeah yeah and you know. And and to talk about biz. It takes time for for for us to to draw people in especially in post krishan world that we live in. We can assume as you point out earlier that people understand the christian worldview and also as someone point out to people are inoculated to christianity. Either that they've just seen bad presentations of it especially Now we just a reality and so to actually show people at different way and then and tell people away takes time. I think about We have a gentleman. He comes into to our cafes atheists who become an almost five years and he not become good friends. I've mentioned before on stop and the friends were back with. He and his family and our family. The i remember you talking about the the street. Preacher college campus. I was yelling at the students in. Remember when you said that a couple of years ago. He came in quite frustrated in the cafe and our talking and he said that it was down campuses to street preachers yelling at the students Healing them and he was just angry about that and he told me he said you all here have such a different way about living out your faith love it. I love it and what's interesting is. He's an advocate for us on on different like atheist groups. Were people say hey. Are they kind of in your face people there. I see their christian place. You know in intel. He tells me about conversations. He has where he's saying. No they'll respect you anyhow it you know how do we. I don't know yet. How can i draw him in. I i don't have lots of answers. But i do know that. I think as you pointed out the gospels of jesus is not to the to the the center Normally and nasty confrontation. We can be really director or maybe also in even subversive You'll see that a lot in big in big cities around on campuses. what. I've done go downstream. I will go downstream person at try to talk to people like. Hey did you see or what you think. And if you see the faces of people walk past that those boost sidewalk prophets and how turnoff they are definitely take You know how ineffective it is but we can do something. Subversive still trying to reach people taking time out of your day and struggle conversations people because guess what now thinking about this topic down. If you're in a different line the also talking shoes y- okay. Thanks yeah any questions from the ones here in the car pro. Yes good morning to I haven't credible appreciation for your presentation here. And i've also got quite a bit about methods and comparing it to Jesus actual ways and against and I have a question for you about literature so it seems like literature having something to hand the stranger to have him take with them and ponder would be really valuable and now that i think about comparing that with jesus method. I don't think he did that. But it seems like available thing but a lot of the literature we have to do. That with is based on sundays other methods. And so tom in the past. I've pondered how to write a summary of the kingdom gospel. that would be able to present a concise way and actually tried writing something along that line here about. Oh hell no. You're to go and as an inspiration it came to me. I thought it was of the lord and tried to get down and intended to really find a way to make this to develop this. Get some help to develop it and make it in publish it and I got to be friends. Dan weeks here on this call over that time and dan. I haven't talked to you about this for a long time. I don't know where you are on the idea of illustrating it but Anyway i have a question for you. Zach how do you see the idea of having a trek to present in light of needing to be sensitive to the person and the unique way we need to share it with each person Literature doesn't really lend itself says. Well i've also done a lot of that off and on tracks using tracks or pamphlets on a pretty much stopped that Not because it gets mainly for me. Because i haven't found attractive presents things in quite the way that plays full gospel as i would like to seen so i thought but along with that I think so. I think the usefulness attracts often. They weren't even going out and actively handing them out sometimes started conversations but it wasn't as effective as some people say for me anyway and i think they're less and less effective one thing that but we need a way and this is what i'm thinking about. We need a way to To approach people. That isn't doesn't make them you know they're looking for the catch what i've been trying to find a way to have people approaching so ways that people done that that i've gone along with the painting. Resignation gospel so people are route or they had some word games into spirituality on a on a board that people look out and i think my favorite A friend of mine. Cincinnati go out with End hoji bibles that you would get donated. And then it's obviously a lot of people ask you might have fewer conversations with people. Do come up. you don't have to break in show wall. And so i found that was wanted us. He was Of christ and i did appreciate. He had a couple of tracks within did appreciate those tracks a little more than maybe some of the mainstream ones although some of us may disagreements or maybe are excited about the church of christ sense of things Baptism things like that. I felt it was a little full gospel. That's one thing i've ever entertained. But i think there are other ways to begin conversations with people and have them for us. I wanna start devising more effective than an a getting people by a max alter meeting towards this. But i'd love to see now. And i had something. You talked about going downstream and talking to people. What do you think of that guy. Go downstream of your track giving and see what's happened stone. A lot of them end up in the trash. I've seen that to even go too far downstream they'd like to share a coach The points out the artificiality of evangelical evangelism formula. I have a friend who went to moody bible institute. Way back in the seventies and he came across a m evangelism manual. must've been contemporaneous with d. l. moody and in this manual in its structure evangelists to approach the subject. Take a posture. That somewhere between a squat. In a neil place the left hand on the right shoulder of the subject rest the subjects right hand him look up to into his eyes in six on and say have you been washed blooded elaine. Can you imagine actually going something like that. Of course there's the nineteen century so a little bit different while is maybe one of the first techniques say about human the two points i go head to the two points away was just simply genius. Knows our story and then he gave us good news in relation to our story and so yeah just the challenges to no no people an give them good news. Yes okay A question from earl. He said how do you incorporate prayer into your conversations. Do you find prayer with your listeners. A helpful way to communicate. Good question like i said i. Experience was by friend tyler. Dragging me out to the markets he would get ego. Pray for people so anybody can find. The wheelchair was a castro. they're his age But i think it can. I think can wear effective at definitely. Don't do it every time and but in trying to be more sensitive sometimes will go up to somebody and just start asking for them. But that's definitely not often Or our start stations. So yeah. I definitely think very meaningful for people. I probably tend to do more with people or fit of some sort of religious background. Cincinnati bought of catholic background. If i know that they're comfortable with that but That's what i've sat but sure sometimes without depends You know that's that's interesting. I i think i played prayers important. You know a family that's gets gets their meal to restaurant bows her head prayer. I think is an incredible proclamation. But out i'll be honest there are. I've sat down with someone at sours that i wanted to get to know and i have not a mill and i haven't is because i felt like they were so unedu- about who i am and then we try to force feed them some kind of spiritual message. They're they're the walls are up whether it be the muslim or whether it be Whether it be any theorist where someone not even know exactly where they're at in. And so i had went there. I just kept maybe worship official divers discovered another. Listen to them You know. I've heard people say got to preach and prayer and there's probably place times for that but maybe sometimes you just can tell that this is might really set them farther on edge. All this i did this is why he wanted to meet with me. Because you just want to force your message down. I don't know some people might might offer that But i have to be honest. A haven't always even went there the first time people are so tired. Maybe that couple minute evangelism Message snidey so okay Well it is Ten after seven here any other. Quick question zach zach about your supper time over there. What will we'll get this wrapped up your quick in any other questions brother okay. All right With zach thank you so much for coming on patrick. Wanna know if you could see some screen shots of your powerpoint And i'm wondering if we could just attach your powerpoint to the webpage is a pdf. Is that something we can do. Zach okay should i send yet. You can just email to me. And i'll get to glen. You attach it right to the page where this audit would be so he can download look at it and whatever So thank you everybody on here this morning for questions. I'ma god bless you richly and zach heavy close in prayer amendment but just a quick announced about next week next saturday. Reduce something that we haven't done for about a year and a half probably or more and that is not have a zoom. Call here at strength. Strength next saturday in numbers will be at kingdom fellowship. Weekend in so this this platform would be silent. We will be distracting linked on here too for those who are interested you can zoom in and lives via livestream and be part of the messages that we preach there that weekend but this platform will be. We'll be silent a next saturday more So that could use the place father. Thank you that your messages to to preach the gospel. Those bound saint to those that are blind. God we we ask to forgive us. We been unfaithful speared. Prompted us to speak to someone or we haven't listened to you scared in an engaging slow and i pray that you would help help mike. Critique of methods this morning's not a scourge any of us brothers here from from sharing with people from starting conversations with at his as we could follow you even as it is set in from a distance. You're learning war. J. grace nelson following serving inviting people now by lives and our way and our conversation to be an invitation to the people into this kingdom. Something that people can miss and give us the words to speak. 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USA vs. Spain Preview, Keys to Victory, USA FIBA Flaws with Poland Men's Nat'l Team HC Mike Taylor

All Ball with Doug Gottlieb

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USA vs. Spain Preview, Keys to Victory, USA FIBA Flaws with Poland Men's Nat'l Team HC Mike Taylor

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Join us before we've talked about his journey. But now we're just gonna we're gonna cheat basically we're gonna steal his brain and help you get ready if you wanna go to bed rivers and throw some cash down. You're just really interested because i mike. Thanks for joining us. You know this pod has really exploded. And i thank the folks that iheart and colin cowherd and the senseless needless promotion. Whatever but it hasn't been senseless. Needless we get over three thousand three hundred thousand downloads per episode. I have so many coaches who tell me like ayman the road recruiting or now guys are off that they listen and they love people stories about their journey. But i think this isn't even better because you have brilliant basketball mind you have. You have a real grasp for these teams Okay so i what What is your thought on the makeup of usa of this actual roster well first of all doug. I'm really happy to be here level. Big fan you know in. It's wonderful to talk about feeble basketball. Something i love. And i think that team. Usa obviously the the headline grabbing win for france to start off the tournament. Set the tone for everything. And i think what you have to look at is. I feel like team. Usa's team that's built maybe not necessarily for the fiba game I think that people are looking at a lot of different reasons. But for me number one i feel like the team is missing. A playmaking distributing point. Guard a guide. That's going to connect all the scores. Move the ball. And the second thing is i think that you know. It's just a team that is it. You saw france played physical. Play big against us in outrebounded us. I think it was forty. Two forty two thirty six or something. The first game. Where france won you know. The international teams are not just stretch for you know like the they've got skilled physical players and i feel like the team. Usa is missing some of the blue collar guys. Some of the guys that are are bringing that physicality because they have not I like honestly like the power forward is kind of position. Nobody has any more. It's like lebron. James is at the size makeup of what used to be a carlo. Right there like basically the differences like he's a point power forward now that i And so instead you had the draymond greens who's you know vets-go undersized power forward at but he is is undersized and now he's an the other part is i i. I'd have to go back and look at this year. But i remember last year the year before in the playoffs. None none zero starting centers in an nba. Playoff team was american more. Now what i. What does that tell you well. Look there's a little bit Karl anthony towns bipolar dominican republic. But you know. He's not a traditional center but Do the job again. Why why do you like. I'm fascinated by this. And i want to get to the differences of bima basketball and why you're able like rudy. Gobert was a liability in the nba playoffs. He's a strength in in the olympics. But let's just start with like let's hypothesize. Why do you think that we have everything. But we certainly don't have centers that can play in the nba. Well i think the nba game is different than the fiba gain. I think you've got a lot of rim runners room protectors guys are gonna sit dunker in the nba Guys that are trying to just finish pick and rolls and things like this and then you know the international teams roll out a guy like you know markelle soul who is rebounding. And he's got a game and they're playing through these guys on the perimeter dribble handoffs backdoor cuts things like this Where they can get some baldwin play through the post So i think that the skill fact of the ability to pass the ball. I think you see a lot. More prevalent in europe. And i think teams are setting their teams up to play through these guys. You know the nba gain. You're really playing through your stars. And i think there's limited opportunities for other players to make plays i think for example with slovenia one of the great things that these guys have done is hit for example. Mike toby on the short roll all the time. And i think you see a lot of pocket passing short roll guys. That can make that decision and move the ball you know. Find find shooters on the perimeter. And i think this is something that these european teams through the pick and roll game and with their big men. You know it's it's an added dimension you don't ordinarily see with five You know the rim runners the rim protectors this typical type player in the nba Do you think it's because we we basically Again the why is it. Why is it that again. We have sound like we don't have big. Is we have some big guys but is it our our training retraining them for an nba style. And the mike toby's instrument he's american but he he got he got a slovenian passport so he gets to play for them and we it's not like he would have made our national team But i'm i'm just. I'm i'm interested in that why we don't have any that i'm i'm trying to think of like we had the plumlee really the only ones get but they can't really score in there when when you think about you go into your gyms in la and you're you're coaching your travel ball teams and things like this you know and you watch high school kids work out a a lot of times even the five men even the bigs that are on the floor are trying to play lead guards. They're all trying to step out on the perimeter. There's very few guys trying to play back to the basket low post and even in the nba people will say argue analytics. Hey there's the post up. A low percentage shot low percentage offense. But i think even if you don't want that to be a primary part of your offense you need to establish the post because you know you could flatten out the defense number one you pressure to ram and then you can play post reaction and get your team good shots so i think that teams that are just trying to play. Pick and roll in. Prepare their players to play that way. You know you become a one dimensional team. And i think the thing about feeble basketball that i love is teams from all over the world play different styles and i think the in america right now we've got too much of nba mentality. For example. a pick and roll is for me to score. A bigger role is to to but overseas in europe in the fiba game. It's a five on five game. The thing about dodge for example is he can run the same play four plays in a row. And i've seen him do it. In countless planning his venezuela they ran a simple slot. Pick and roll you know. He hit toby for bucket. He finished at the rim. He made the diagonal pass at a corner three and he pass it out to the wing for three same play just reading the game making it five on five and i think this is where you know people talking down about post jobs and post up opportunities and then secondly the way players are trained to play the post in the usa. Everybody wants to try to play like a guard. And there's different aspects that post game that you can really get good at that. I just think that we're not coaching. Are young kids up to do eight year. You're right k. there's a A friend of mine. That i grew up. He was my age only a year ahead of me in jilani garden off. Remember gilani. yeah. Yeah from coury cow pepperdine. His son is gonna be. It looks like he's going be a start seven-foot sophomore but he's a face up big right because if you wanna make it in the state's gonna be face up big so some of that. Is the coaching training. He can score down low as well. Some of those coaching. Everybody wants to be kevin garnett. Some of that. I think a good portion of it honestly is the way in which the american game is. Officiated like feels like wanting post post play. You can't have it be world war three down there. Basically this fighting down there. And then when get a perimeter the second you touch a guy at the foul like Of course you get out in the perimeter Officiating i think coaching I think all of these things obviously the use of analytics and it makes okay so for people who haven't coached as extensively as you have. Okay what it has no legal defense right so rudy. Gobert doesn't have to get in lane get out lane but it's not legal defense. What what i know of of fiba style fishing one. It's terrible and the other part in this is interesting is like in our game and i think we end up doing our our best players at the service. The best players were protected. Whereas i don't know if the best players are targeted it may feel that way to them. I think it feels that way to them. Because they're so used to being protected in in the states Is also the five thousand set of six shorter game. There's a lot of different different aspects to it But i think the first thing is that they're protected. The second thing is the game. There's no three seconds. The third thing is what's called the foul that okay. So here's what i again. You coach it. I've coached it but you're talking about four years ago. I was in israel. Right thought and i played in it almost twenty years. I've watched it extensively. So here's my thoughts It is physical in the post. But the second you get the ball with if you're going to shoot your. They protect the shooter. What coaches protected shooter. They actually do in fiba basketball if you go up and somebody swipes the ball from you. It's almost always a foul. I would say ninety five percent of the time. It's a foul you they allow you to kinda ride. A guy defensively when he doesn't have the ball just kind of ride in foul When dribble the ball the court they allow you to kind of hand. Check in ride guy so that it takes away from our athleticism. There's a reason luis scola Can't play in the nba. More doesn't have legs work but we can't make them pay because it's so much more physical on the other hand. There are parts of the game which are called more tightly. It's just county opposite of the american game like the american game. You can't touch guy when he's dribbling but when he goes up to shoot if you block it. Whatever like it's a it's basically our our foul it feels like those are the two biggest differences What what else am i missing. Considering how much you coach in in the style basketball no doug. I love your breakdown. I think it's very accurate in the most important thing that you're pointing to is there is a difference and players have to adjust and okay. The rules are one thing you can put a second defender right at the rim when when guys are posting up in fiba the no legal note to defense or three seconds legal defense. That's a big factor changes the game but again this is a physical game and i think it's not a it's not a surprise. You see a guy drew holiday place so well because he's a physical player and this this is the point usa nba star mentality star game. They're they're trying to protect the nba superstars. And help these guys. okay now. They're going to try to make some changes on drawing fouls and things like this but in theory they will let you battle for position they will let you fight for every inch on the floor and this is i think what people appreciate about the fiba game teams and players playing both ends of the floor playing a team game together and i think this is what team usa. Just can't you know. They can't replicate or they can't duplicate in short time you've got teams that have been together for years playing. I i call bullshit on that again i think. Listen i we give our guys a pass phrase guys. Were playing the states. Avid play together previously. Sure aren't as a play together previously. It's how we play basketball is fucked up right. Let's just call it. We play like i saw i saw. I'm not gonna name names. Why don't they just do a damian. Lillard kevin durant pick and roll like what what is that. What is that that doesn't work. It's not like you said the pick and roll is not just about two guys. It's about the whole thing kind of working together like how we're doing. It is look they play basketball. Guys play basketball soccer right. We are constantly picking and probing and moving in all of this magical working together sort of thing whereas we just kind of do the brute force thing like hey this guy's better than that guy were he's to give it to kevin and take him and everybody else get the fuck out right. That's what we do and and this idea that the all these guys play together like the australians all played the australians ju- sport was year patty mills hasn't been he comes they come back every couple of summers to play an event that that's it ends and and it's not like they're running. It's just more about how they play basketball. Ray move it. They trust each other in the open gets radio. Has the best sports talk lineup. In the nation catch all of our shows at fox sports radio dot com and within the iheartradio app search f. s. are to listen live. I'm dr payment. Daniela and i'm dr john lakey together. 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Us the game you know and i think that there's a natural structure to a team where the team knows in pressure situations. We're going to work together to try to get this guy a shot within the offense. We're not gonna playing but this guy our guy for example meals with australia or everybody knows. We're playing through donncha with with slovenia but i think when you have superstars who are in that primary lead role with all their teams in the nba. Because they're not used to being you know let's say the second guy the third guy to four it kind of disjointed a little bit the more experienced together i think the better they would be. It's it's it's a fair and remember the genetic wiring all these guys now. Daniela looks a little different because he wasn't a superstar his whole life but remember he went to weber state. The reason went to we stayed. Was he got the ball got so he's never since he went to college. He's been the guy right. That was the whole thing is he wanted to point guard. He's escorting scoring point guard and they played through him so during red-shirted one year so four years of college and then ever since he's been in the nba. He's played one way nair like do we need you to kind of play different way and move the ball run a team like you can say you can even want to do it. But it's just a really foreign feeling when you've done something for a decade one way and for a month we want you to do two different and this is this. Is the point with team. Usa it's not. It's not like an all star game where you just plug these pieces together. The fema game. You've gotta have guys that complement each other. You have to have multiple playmakers out there but it can't just be multiple scores and now we've got so many scores out here and again it's not the spurs system. It's not coach popovich. Stop making excuses about this stuff. This is all about the personnel. It's all about how the players fit together and how they complement each other one guy who wants to connect the ball connect the dots and move the ball and set up his teammates and get all the scores involved. That would make this team in this game so much easier for me when i look at team. Usa i think it's flawed in the way it's built no distributing point guard number one. You know you need again. Which is something that. We've with the most part chris policy exception. Maybe maybe mike conley we. We've kind of you know again. Those guys where are they in the nba right we. We don't have traditional centers in traditional point guards and then in fiba now the traditional centers in traditional point guards and a week. we just. We don't have those guys or the guys that we do have there like that. Tj mcconnell their backup third-string point guards right but continue. Mcconnell helped team usa more than than these other guys. How can that happen well because the phoebe game is not about the five best players. It's about the players at fit best together right today. but then. Here's here's the problem which no one will admit is. It's not just our politics to get selected course right course but there's also just the egos of. Hey you didn't invite trae. Young beginning by teaching mcconnell. Like you know like if if that were to happen you're never gonna get free on. He's gonna say at you. I never you pick tj mcconnell. Instead of me. Look i a kevin. Love was washed up the he couldn't do right or at least in private with wasn't good enough shape but i seem to be the only human being on tv and radio that totally understood the kevin love selection because he is physical he shoot and bang inside. And you don't have to be crazy. Athletic in order to play kind of a stretch five that can defend the post inside like the again the idea of made sense. But jalen rose doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about because doug kevin love would have been a guy if he's the carolina that we envisioned from all the years. He's been a great player. He's a guy that okay. Here's go bear. He's trying to protect the rim. Now you're picking and now he's got to come out a guard on twitter and it changes the game by any and at the other end at the other the other end he can defend. Go bear you know with enough strength and push him away from the basket where he's not shooting shooting shooting lanes and i think again another part of the flaw in the processes. Yes there's the exhibition games. But a lot of what they determined based upon their own practices with a practice own players by. So it's it's really it's like you're You have to see it against international competition in order to understand how it how it really fits. All right but woods done is done. This is their team. Okay so let's start with spang. Let's start with spain. What are the played spain. There were all the teams in that little in the bottom. Half of that bracket were in vegas What are the unique challenges to play against spain well. Spain is at the end of their golden generation. They're super experienced. They're very well coach. Sergio scary allah does a fantastic job with the team. They're not going to back down from the nba players. You know you got ricky rubio and soul brothers hernan gomez you got some some really high level players but again the guys that i love to watch on the team. Sergio guard fantastic score. Rubio is leading the team in scoring right now. So i don't know if that's a great thing for them but again the thing expand is at an open is an open for a reason right. He's and he's shooting like forty four percent in the tournament so he's doing well you know. But he's such great playmaker. You want the ball in his hands. But again you've got rudy fernandez who can really suitable. You'll you can really shoot the ball. They've got some real great shooters on a team for me. The thing that's been interesting about. Spain is how much zone played you know. I thought they had a great game plan against they were physical drew the charges on him you know as he penetrated deep but again you know for me. Does the point for spain is. They can play through their post. Guys on the perimeter. Got marcus particular in the experience of this team. They've been so close and they've played so many big games against team. Usa it's a matter of time before they break through. And i think okay team. Usa got beat by france when france play big. Spain can play big. And here's the point. Now the pressure's on are they able to withstand that pressure will team. Usa be individual when against that diversity like we expect them to be because it's hard for them to be any other way you know. Spain is a team that can play together and can really handle that pressure from your experience. This is a hard question to answer. I have my own feelings about it Do you think they respect our style of basketball. Like no no. It's not just spain. it's all throughout the world. I think you know it's it's easy for people to criticize the nba and say on the nba. They don't play defense or this whatever. It's all one on one. You know. I think if you do that you're disrespecting the athleticism and talent in the nba. I think fiba game is a different game and again what we appreciate about it. Is the team basketball. The teamwork playing both ends of the floor giving up your body and being physical the physicality of it and these are the things that you should respect. People should respect about whether usa or outside. But i think there's there's a little bit of let's say chip on the shoulder of teams like sane say hey. Usa's been great for all these years where we play our way. They play one on one. And we saw evan forni as comment from france after after they won. They're they're better than us individually but they can be beaten by a team. So i think it's. It's not easy to face but it's it's the reality that this is what people this is. What people miss okay. So olympic games will we beat spain. I was four years ago. It the five years ago. I'm trying to think was a close game. Right and mega is two thousand. Twelve right when Kobe kinda bail them out in katie in kobe and lebron and what they were eight. What mike chef ski. I don't actually think they ran is gonna stop offense. Only when coach k. Was there. I thought it was very very rudimentary but they were just so overwhelmingly athletic defensively that they could pressure. They could take chances that make up from mistakes that they kind of speed spain up and then they just had enough shot making where you're like where spain was actually probably a better team. But you know you had too much firepower. It was a four point game with a couple minutes to go very very close game. Now you you take the overall speed athleticism talent factor down a notch. And i think it's a really really hard game If you were betting by you bet rivers day who they once again you know. I'm rooting for usa. But my money's on spain. In the reason i say that is because usa as you say just as relying on talent. They're just relying on hitting shots and the difference. Okay iran you know. Certain people are getting excited over beating iran. But that is. That's like a scrimmage game for those guys that's young non-competitive win czech republic. I was hoping that those guys would be a little bit more competitive. The key in the second half was the great three point shooting. Well we saw in the scrimmage game. The exhibition game in las vegas on the first game against france. You know if that three-point shooting is not there. What does team usa do. And hopefully they can organize themselves so they have a little bit more togetherness teamwork but if you're complaining because coach popovich saying hey make five passes before you shoot. That doesn't bode well for me. In these these pressure games. I think spain has played two gold medal games against usa a semifinal game. You know they're coming off the twenty nine thousand nine world cup championship. This is an outstanding team outstanding coach. There i feel like they played a lot of zone in the second. Half in that las vegas scrimmaged with a purpose and i feel like now after this tough loss against slovenia. They're not going to blink when it comes to this pressure game. I think they're just a little bit more together. A little tougher unit With more experience in these situations the team. Usa is going to be one on one if they hit their shots. It's going to be great. But i just feel like you know the response to be one one as compared to five. All five i feel is going to mute surprise. Well maybe not surprise people. But you know Give us a rough i pick. I picked the aussies to win this thing. But i watched lavinia and remembering that. They won the european championship. Right and They're awesome that. I mean what what they're doing is like what argentina did when they want. It is mind blowing the country that size With that lack of History is able to be this competitive and it's not just one guy but he's unbelievable right expanding They a box one almost the entire game. And he's our anne-style score Score fifty just behind you in your mind is slovenia. the favorite. Is australia the favor. Spain the favorite. Who do you think who do you. Actually think is the best team for me. i think australia has to be your favorite just. Because of their team. Makeup losing aron baynes affects it number one weird stores. Yes yes so. That's strange and difficult for them. Spain i have a head of slovenia even though slovenia won this game just because of experience factor. What luca danni is doing with slovenia is something special you know we played them. In countess we help to eighteen and ten we. We worked on our game plan for a year. You know i'm in touch with some of my nba all year. I'm telling you doug eight. Oh okay when. You're preparing for luca right and fiba. Luca is different a little bit differently Than the mavericks. Luca although there are there's a lot of similarities there. What's what what are you. What are your keys. Well also for for me the key contacts for me. Jay larranaga with the celtics. Chris farming with the bulls. Mike longo bardy with the wizards. And basically i would stay in touch with these guys. In as as the schedule will pop up the mavs play one of these teams. I would reach out and say. Hey what are you guys trying to do with donncha tonight. They send me a couple. Coaching points through the game plan and i would watch. Basically we put together a six point game plan. It wasn't like jordan rules but we were to get this done with the point with his left. Hand step back is sold. Tastic is the hickson you make them go right. Well the point is if you make him go right he such a much better pick and roll player in our game plan. We wanted to direct him to to left and we wanted to live with the step back shots contested and challenge. We wanted him to be more of a one on one player that pick and roll player where he can include. Everybody involve everybody in the panel so so on so so bolstering coverage. What do you do well. The thing about the thing is people don't realize about donncha is he is he's his. Iq is so high once he figures out what you're trying to do to him. He can do whatever he wants. He can shoot from the perimeter he can play pick and roll and get his teammates involved. He can score and a post. He scored rage finished so what we saw against spain. He's reading the game. They're doubling me. They're playing box in one. I need to get the ball to my teammates. I need to trust my teammates and he is making your teammates better. It's beautiful so he hits. Mike toby on a short roll. Toby's passing it out and the rest of these guys privilege blah's drago they're playing with so much confidence you know but again it's all start because people are so focused on your so focused on him he gives you give him an advantage and he's able to move the ball hit where it needs to go. You know the other things we tried to do with him. He's so good in the paint. We didn't want him to get in the paint and sit down so we try to stay between him and the basket you know if he gets you on his back. It's a two on one on the big and it's over. The other thing he does is he sits down in the paint. He's so big and strong. If you pull in tree can make every pass. So when he sits down and a paint. We stepped up to the three point line. You know all of these things that we did. We tried to attack in you know. We tried to get him in foul trouble. We try to pick them up ninety four feet and wear him down doug. It didn't matter it didn't matter you know like we gave a great effort. I respect the players on our team. We gave such great effort. We had a seven foot. Young alec waltzer ascii blocked his shot. One time challenged them. We gave great effort but at the end of the day his iq and his his just complete skill set is something special. You can't beat them up. He's big enough and strong enough to finish and make plays in the paint. Pick and roll. He reads the game brilliantly and again. This is a guy you play through. Who makes his teammates better. Who inspires them with confidence. And i think seeing something special right now i felt good must when he put forty eight argentina. Because i'm like okay. He kicked their ass worse than he kicked ours so because overseas so i've been coaching since two thousand one twenty years. Okay twenty years best player. You've ever coach again. Hundred percent not even close because the skill set We are american player. Called rondo the night before we played them in rajon. Rondo gave us some player. Tips against them didn't matter did matter. You know we did our best but this guy is is a fantastic player in something special arguably best player in the world. What's what are the feelings about him. In europe and in south america like is he rivera or is he disliked now. I think people really root for him as a european player playing in the usa. I think he's carrying that torch. Parker of novitsky of all the great european players have come through. I think what people like about him. His playing style not overly athletic just intelligent and skilled. You know it's funny. Because when he was winning the mvp with real madrid nba friends. Or like mike. How good you think he is. How did you. I'm a high school kid with an mvp in the early. he's going to be really good. I don't i don't see it. I just don't know e- create separation. He's got the law. Listen i have. I have several friends. That were assistant coaches. And they're like luca when they first you're like louisville bad body bad body now is like. Oh curry doesn't matter. He uses that body right and okay separates. We did this. One giddy was selected. A lot higher than people thought and i had I was on android on my podcast. We talked about giddy ink off air via text. And he was like. I like him but he's really young. Probably needs a year or two. But that's the same story with everybody. But i was trying trying to explain to people on the city's like look you're so caught up in like vertical leap and all this other shit. That doesn't actually matter Just again i'm not saying gideo- look please don't anybody but in the context of what actually works in basketball is we're still not there. The overall talent and speed napa has been linked Considering how the games officiated in play is still skews inside and guys can still just make plays because their athleticism. But i like the pick more than other people do. He's big strong. He can read things he can shoot some like does he have to get better like sure. But he's a kid and played very well in the australian league which is not great. But it's much better than it used to be. Am i crazy to the giddy selection more so than many people Who do what. I do or a lot of fans actually like. I don't think so you know you're talking about vertical leap. I think with guys where you have to look for his feeling for the game as a player have feeling for the game could you. Can't you can't kennedy's feel few for the game. And this separator you know. You can have a guy who was a super athlete. But just you know. The i q or the feel is not there so if if people see giddy playing well and winning the mvp the under seventeen asia or oshana tournament in having all these accolades coming out. Obviously i think sam press the in his staff do a fantastic job of identifying talent and finding players. You know you'd look. They also have the lithuanian guy yaacob by this. So they're doing a great job scouting internet like like a seven foot point center at. I mean these guys. They do an outstanding job. And again i think what you look for with giddy is the feeling for the game. And you're going to take you're going to take a chance on a young kid that has to prove himself but again these international kids are playing against high level competition. They're showing flashes. They've got potential. The i q the feel an you plug them in and you hope they can really make those steps. I'm giddy to me. He's a great situation. Louise around look at the great players. He's wrong he's row ingles he's around mills. He's around tai-bo he's around. What is. I don't know if you feel this way like i think. Ben simmons not playing a major major mistake it only. It only proves to me. It just proves like i would. I would say what i would stay. And here's here's here's my thinking. And i understand that like look do the really hard arduous and there's a lot of pressure. He didn't play wealthy end a lot of negativity. And he's gonna they're gonna find a new home guy but the australians and if yet kids are listening to this previously curse they don't give a fuck a they're gonna tell ben simmons in not so polite The way in which they handle each other and look at life just very matter of fact right. And that's what he needs. He needs doesn't need sycophants round. He doesn't need his agent and his brother working out. He needs guys like Shoot the bowl. A pass the bowl. Movable you know you should shoot right handed like whatever. They believe. that's what he should do. And it's it's tough love right there. Tough love guts math at. I'm guessing that baynes did what they all do. After the after the game he went out and get some piston. You know which is beer. I get hit his head right like idiot. But that's honestly like that's who they are the best at lowe's you understand what you're walking into that they're just they don't give a shit if you're nba all star. If you're dating starlets if you have a hundred million. They don't care they treat everybody exact same with and have no reverence towards anybody and they just they like to play really hard really physical and it's awesome and i agree with you. Like like ingles patty meals. They baynes like air. The best right the absolute best. But they're going to give you a tough love. And i think he he his camp. Whoever made that decision screwed up because this could have been an incredible summer for thinking about right now sitting in japan. How much just even even hardly play. How great that would be for him to absorb it. And i think either got bad advice or he himself knew that they were going to get that tough love and he didn't first of all your australia. Impression was fantastic. That was unbelievable right there that was high level but no i agree ben. Simmons is a super talent but he's got to figure some things out you know again. A superstar is doesn't wanna suitable You know i love doc. Rivers doc rivers fan. I was hoping that things would end differently. This season there but again if you wanna talk about the national teams the brotherhood being honest with each other helping each other. I think those are all really good points. You make in the positivity of competing in the olympics and maybe getting a gold medal and having all this great experience that would be a great way to get over. Some of the negatives of the way to season ended for simmons. It really would. I agree a hundred percent Okay so here's we have yet to lists. I'll give you the choice. We can wrap this thing and then let's see what happens and break it down and then talk about next opponents or we can go through all the other teams. You make the call. I love to talk about all the teams. I'm here so so okay. So we we've hit. We've hit slovenian. We'd hit spain. We did team usa. We've hit the aussies a little bit. argentine doesn't have a pop anymore right just entails app way doug i love argentina i respect you. Know their teen scullers. Unbelievable nineteen points a game at forty two shoot forty four percent from three playing great. The three guards compose uil lovato. And obviously now they'll does a i really gabrielle. Deck the four-man. But i'm disappointed in the way they played this summer. I can't figure it out. I have higher expectations for this team. I don't know what the issue is from. In what way the not playing up to what you thought or how you thought they would play. I just thought they would. They thought they would be a lot more competitive. I thought they would be able to get over the hump Against some of these teams you know losing in preparation to usa. Okay losing the nigeria. They lost in slovenia. They lose to spain. They're playing. But i expected a little bit more out of these guys. This is a team that finished second in the world cup and played fantastic basketball in china. So i don't know if it's the addition of ville dosa into the back court. 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Or wherever you get your podcast. Italy got new show so the interesting thing about italy is the young guys plan. They're really playing well. Poland ara manion for the check you. i don't think i'm mispronouncing. His name shooting the ball really. Well you know. Those guys have really stole a spotlight. Meli struggled. he's been inconsistent gallon. We haven't seen too much production from him so some of the traditional big names. It's kind of a changing of the guard with italy but again what we see. Five of these top eight teams in the quarterfinals are from europe and all of these european teams. When they get hot and they're they're they're really playing. Well they can make a run. I just don't see italy. Getting past france i think france is is really ready right now. i see them. Beating italy an sets up a great. You know semifinals slovenia and france white helmi allah. France is it. did you know. obviously now. They've arrived and maybe this or in fairness in order to really arrive geek. You gotta get a medal in in the olympics which. I don't believe they they'd done previously. But i mean they had. They had tony parker they had or st l. They had the patriots. And anyone. Shit i will they. They won euro basket Twenty thirteen. I believe i may be wrong. Two thousand fifteen. They hosted it. But i think spain one i think twenty thirteen. They won the tony parker. So that's the one like big victory. Big win why. Why haven't they done better in the olympics. You know there for a long time. There's lots of questions about that. I think vincent delay has done a really good job with the national team for years. He's done excellent job the pieces now. I think are in place you obviously for me. When i look at france that guard play nando de colo outstanding point guard thomas hotel also really high level point guard. You got to who does a lot of good things on the wing. four nine. when formula is playing the way he's played in the tournament. You know leading the team scoring hunting shots. Does he's really good. But now you look in the front court. And i think this was the advantage ghobeire corey together and then jaba soleil again. He's kinda come into his own. Maybe fill in the shoes of a big shoes to fill with deal but their front court. They're back court. It's a really balanced team. It's really experienced team. And i think that again to me. The guard play is the key. I think that's what separates them right. Now decarlo hertel these guys. Maybe a little bit underrated because people see how much you know for new scoring. We didn't hit germany I loved germany Again coached there for ten years. Henry grow very good friend very very happy for him. I think there was not a lot of expectations on these guys coming in because the nba stars. Let's say dennis schroder daniel ties maxi kleber. Not with the team and what germany has done. This summer is a great testament team. Basketball against the next generation guys they're mo- wagner has played well Mallow who's who's an overseas point guard has done. Well andy three three point shooter from rasha. Formal has has played well. But it's it's really a team effort again. I think if we see the way game plans from different teams have been tried to put in place. They have a good blueprint with. But it comes down to personnel. And i just think this slovenia's going to be too much for them in this quarter quarterfinal game so you have you have again so vigna france. Spain analysis. You rooting for us. Which i am. I want them to win. But i do think it's going to be if they win. It's because it's fantastic. One on one individual play do you. Just that is the question. do you just like. Hey listen not try and reinvent ourselves. Let's just go get buckets. Ellis and defenders. that goes. that's coach k. Did like. I can't. I can't make them make the extra pass that they're supposed to make. I can't make them make the extra movement that they're supposed ads. so just go get buckets. I think you said it earlier when when they were so athletic and pressuring defensively and could get out in transition. But they don't ramsey but they don't have the like like damian lillard is not that guide offensive right by so if their best five. If you know you're going to do what lillard k. D. draymond who your other to be doing Main you're gonna do drew holiday. Jason tatum cable like jason. Everybody wants jason. Tatum be kobe. Bryant a whole other end of the floor that kobe bryant was ten times. The player of jason mike. Here's the problem in order for them to play like the old. Us eighteen play Was a great defensive player. You know and actually really good. European events lurks so physical. He can be surface. Kobe bryant the great defensive player Mellow wasn't but if he's your fifth best defense. Breyer like euro. Okay and can you can be very very physical you but you look at these guys and lillard and tatum. Answer not great defensively. And that's not what they do not who they are. They can't allah sudden. Gee a remake themselves in the short period of time and you know what's interesting is okay when you watch team usa. They're trying to play a lot of same size lineups where they do. All kinds of switching switching these european teams are so smart. They're going to okay. You wanna switch. We're going to find the match up. We want in most at a time. It's on those act. But france attacked in the post france. The mismatch and again when they play big like that against spain has the possibility to play. Big screen can play big if they can't match manhandled play zone but team. Usa the issue for me again. You point to it pressure defense. Get out and tree offense from your defense. Take the pressure off and a half cuarto. Let the guys play a little bit. If that's the usa game plan. Now you're saying switch switch switch and look at the end of the game against france you're up seven and you're switching not only on the ball but off the ball those and line the inbound place and they switch and -fornia ends up wide open in the corner again. You've gotta have the defensive discipline tough news especially in winning time to guard without switching. Keep your matchups as they are. I think it's the easy way out. It's okay we're used to switch it in the nba. And then whatever but these are money possessions you gotta be able to defend what toughness and physicality and to me. That's an issue. If tina hasn't mentality play the same size lineups and switch everything. These teams are going to be ready and they're going to make him pay. Awesome stuff are You don't have to commit to it but if you'd like to join us after these games that would be awesome In in the meantime you're the best really appreciate it. 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Is Wellness an Important Part of Your Life?

Messiah Community Radio Talk Show

29:19 min | 3 months ago

Is Wellness an Important Part of Your Life?

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Thousands of satisfied orleans customers have experienced improve acoustics along with free expert advice total sounds controlled products from forelegs enjoy widespread use among prominent artists producers. Engineers inc's worldwide. Remember it's not your gear. It's the room visit. Orleans dot com for more information and great audio starts with great gear and zooms thirty year reputation promises quality and affordability visit zoom dash and dot com today for recorders audio interfaces effects pedals and more we're zoom and we're four creators so let's talk about you. You have this great book that i have to say that my wife took out of the library five times before she said. You gotta have tara on the program. She's the best. Oh that's so nice. That's that's the best thing when somebody picks it up and find some practical ways to feel better and make all those little simple changes that feel like. We came up with them in the first place. So that's amazing. Please tell her. I said hi big hug. Yeah i will just read your book. She like hugs your book. It's an amazing. It's a beautiful book. And it says in the back a life changing reset for body and mind that will transform your daily routine and your so and by the way that the quality of the book very noticeable like the beautiful pictures serenity. It's well done fake so much. Yeah i was really happy to put something together. That hopefully helps people feel a little bit better and you know kind of tapping into that internal wisdom and the simple things that we can do in our daily lives to make really big changes. Well you've been on. Good morning america and you know you have a big following as well on youtube and so forth. Let's just talk about the journey that it takes where people get into yoga or self care. Because you're into clean mind clean body tell us just in a nutshell how you came to be who you are. Oh gosh i mean. I feel like i got really lucky. Without you know maybe sometime over a meal you you and your wife and my husband tonight we can all talk about our whole life stories but i feel like i got really lucky to be honest I grew up in a small town. I got introduced to yoga more. Formerly a yoga class in a dance conservatory. That was a part of. I thought i would dance my whole life and that moment i really remember clearly thinking. Oh my gosh. These are all of the things that i learned growing up. That would help me live a life where i feel good about myself and maybe pointing my energy toward a better way in the world and i had no idea there was a practice around this something that i could do with myself physically and continue so i just love that so much and then really my second thought was. Why don't all my friends do this. And that kind of really led me to learning more about yoga Diving in a bit more and and seeing really why. My friends don't do this in. A lot of people are intimidated or worried or that. They need to be flexible. And yoga can seem really big and scary so you know i just. I really got sucked into that feeling of connection with myself and trying to help other people feel good as well and so it's been it's been quite a journey but when i feel like i've been pulled into instead of creating myself young. You definitely have your pulse on what people are needing right now. Especially you know you spent time in new york city and there's the hustle and bustle and everyone is striving in life and we all just have to take a deep breath. I guess everyone who's listening now. Just isn't it amazing. Just just a deep breath that we forget during the day. You know how that can help. How do you look at life from your perspective though because maybe coming from a point of view where things need to be healthy. We need to simplify. What do you think is wrong with the world around you. And how can we better. Oh gosh i guess. That's the big question but we all kind of know the answer. I think you know for all of us to slow down like you said everybody's life is so big so full so fast paced and even with all of the wellness activities becoming more and more popular. You know being in new york city for so long. I would see somebody come into a yoga studio and then they would leave and then they would get a green juice and then they would leave that and then go do something else to take care of themselves and even have a hustle and bustle around their own personal self care and essentially feel stressed out in all aspects of life. So really i wanted to show that you know we can take the pressure off a bit almost like when you come into. Somebody's home in you. Take your shoes off. Take your jacket off. You know we can do that for our own lives. We can still pick a few things to take care of ourselves and help ourselves slowdown and realize when we actually do slow down a little bit. We see more we get more perspective. We actually get more done. We feel more fulfilled. You know we feel more connected to ourselves in the world around us and you know you feel so fast buzzy and then you can come down and really feel much more safe insecure in your life and it's easier to connect with that sense of purpose that sense of belonging in yourself in near community for sure and it's the irony. Isn't it like slow down and get more out of. I knew i really like that. Could be the new slogan of all of the athletic brands. Hopefully we've had the opposite for so long. This no pain no gain. You know force pushing struggle to get your way. And i suppose we're all kind of experiencing that that maybe works for a little bit to achieve some but it doesn't really keep us feeling good in it doesn't have as feel fulfilled in. It actually helps us not reach potential in way so yes slowing down doesn't to be lazy. It just needs to take care of yourself while you're doing the challenges of your life and and you do get more. It's kind of not even a made up thing. We all have some sort of life experience where we just took a deep breath and we realize we can navigate ourselves in a different direction instead of kind of spiraling out of control. What do you think the most rewarding thing is for you. Someone who wants people to be physically mentally spiritually healthy. What do you live for when you see people change your transform and how rewarding for you what you just said is the whole thing for me and it's really such a joy for somebody to call me up. You know five months into their yoga practice and say oh my gosh i figured out. I want to change this about my life. I started eating better. I started being better in my relationships. Or i started new career and really the variations of that. This happened to me our completely infinite. And i just feel so lucky that i get to be on the receiving ends of these phone calls or people sharing their messages with me. You know really on a daily basis and for me. I don't think it gets much more rewarding than that. I know i had a small part to do with it but really the the biggest reward is knowing that i helped somebody help themselves in that way. Yes and notch brand. But you know you've been on good morning. America hello nationally but also just to name drop to jane fonda. I think your personal instructor jane fonda. Yeah i got really lucky. A few years ago jane fonda was doing a video project and she was interested in sharing the kind of next generation of fitness and health and wellbeing and she reached out to me literally on a phone call. And i thought this was completely amazing. And she said i love how you share yoga and you make it accessible and not intimidating for people and she told me that's how she wants to share health and wellbeing as well and we just kind of hit it off in along with a group of other folks in fitness and health as well and she pulled me along for the ride and i got lucky. She came to the studio few times. I got to do yoga with her. A bunch of times. stated intention and. She's been a great friend. Somme really integrate supporter in somebody. That kind of helps navigate me in a good direction when it comes to fitness and taking care of people and really sharing that with other people as low terrorist styles our special guests the nice yoga instructor. We be out the door. My wife and i and she said hold on. I need terrorist book. You know by the way. That book is called clean. Mind clean body a twenty eight day plan for physical mental and spiritual self care terror styles. Our special guests mean. I'm being serious. She she loves his. And i and let me tell you why when you have like really high quality pictures and it seems like it just takes you to that special place you know. A place of a quiet people really need that. You didn't go halfway with the book. As far as the beautiful pictures. I think really important to show in any way possible. I mean books are great forum because you can have photos that hopefully help people feel inspired and reminded that you know you can calm down. You can feel better. This is easy to do. You know and then of course with with language you know you can take it in your own time and hopefully get a few ideas of how to really do these things in your own life and make some big changes that feel like your idea because they are your idea. Yeah we're gonna come right back with special guest tara styles or clean. Mind clean body. We want to find out what clean eating and what a clean mine is right after this. You're your fragrance line and make money with boston. 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Mind clean body for twenty eight day plan for physical mental and spiritual self care being our tour guide through the book. Can you help us navigate. What will we find in your book. Sure so. I really loved the idea of starting with your mental state. You know if you feel better. It's so much easier to make better choices with everything in your life so really starting with creating a routine where you can sit down yourself. Take a deep breath. Have some meditation really. Set that up for your whole day. Ask yourself how you feel and how that be a real navigator for for really the rest of your life than going into looking at your spirituality. How you connect with your cells whether that's faith and community and really how that plays into all of your life not really separate from you know how you eat or how you treat yourself in a way so hopefully having a a real whole approach to your spiritual life as well and then moving into the things that get a little bit more superficial or tricky. If you don't have those first to really grounded which is how you eat and getting more focused and taking care of yourself and feeling good about the nourishment that you're putting into your body you know cooking more at home eating more simply realizing that you know diet doesn't have to be so scary and so outside in or fear based in a way we can really take charge and cook and prepare foods with the local foods that are around may be getting more involved with the community farmers market. You know things that really integrate your nourishment into the rest of your life and in the final piece is really movement so again movement. How you move doesn't really stick if your mental state isn't right so instead of just treating your physical movement as your yoga practice or your workout really looking at how you move during the day and and not really in a calorie in calorie out kind of way or trying to do something or manipulate your muscles but really focusing on moving well so kind of getting down with the groceries and bringing them into your body and moving yourself around whether you're picking up toys or cleaning up the house you know. Instead of picking them up with frustration you can crawl down on the ground and do a little bit of movement to help yourself actually feel better instead of feel worse. What do i feel so guilty. When i hear this like i'm looking at how overweight i am and i'm thinking how you respect your body and yourself that much and that others can respect and it must make a huge difference this transformation we respect so many other areas of life but not the body. We don't feel good if we don't take care of ourselves. And i really think if we treat our bodies as something that's not us or something that superficial in our mind is more important are steered is more important than we have to include our body with that and not just have it be an after thought. So it's kinda not. It's not anybody's fault. This is what we've been taught our whole life know whether it's you know yoyo diets or being mean to ourselves or working too hard you know. It's kind of reinforced everywhere around us with that. No pain no gain. You know slogan even from the inside out. So we're we're really taught to kinda just sit down get it done and ignore ourselves but but really it doesn't work and i think it's nice. You know whatever is happening in your life to to realize that you deserve to feel better and you can get down to the ground and do something today. Connect with your breath and really when you feel better. It's so much easier to make better choices when it comes to eating well in when it comes to to really everything but but i just have noticed in my own practice in leading others. That when you feel better you know. You don't need a yoga teacher anymore to tell you what to do. You don't need anybody because we all know the things that we should be eating or the exercises we should be doing but if we don't feel like doing them we're not going to be doing them for sure. So so no debbie cakes for you know. Cheese puffs nothing. I mean i don't have any rules really at all what it comes to what i can't eat what i can't eat but i think for me what what keeps me generally pretty healthy. Is you know getting up every day doing some yoga doing the things that helped me feel better and you know then i eat primarily pretty good but i i don't feel like i have a strict diet about it know. I was thinking if i had to do one of those what i eat in a day. It'd probably wouldn't look super healthy but it wouldn't look super unhealthy either but i really don't think that You know for the most part setting release strict rules of do this and don't do that is really sustainable for anyone as soon as we have. I can't do that. That's the only thing that you want in life. You know you wanna have that ice cream or whatever. It is so one forty three of your book clean. Mind clean body. Terror styles our special guests. If i'm pronouncing it right Turmeric ginger banana. Mango nice cream. I mean you have some really good stuff in here. And i'm going to give that a try you know Let's talk about the word clean. Clean mine and clean body. It's a word people throw around today. But what does it mean to be clean. I like this word because it seems so normal. It said word we use every day you know. Wash your hands. Take a shower. You know before you eat. You wanna be cleaned that kind of thing. Same with the mind you know if we're kind of frazzled and panicked all the time and having lots of fear going on that affects of course the rest of our of our health our digestive health and our overall feelings about life as well so i just really liked this word clean because it seems like something we do every day anyway and you know from my point of view if i can be a small part of normalizing taking good care of yourself by taking a deep breath getting done on the ground doing a few minutes of yoga every day moving around in your life not separate from everything else than to me. That feels like having a second shower during the day or washing your hands or splashing some cold water on your face and just doing these simple things to to feel a little bit better. Do you think people have a hard time being positive. It's something you talk about in your book about two ways that we could be well more than that but maybe convention two ways you could be more positive but are we inherently negative. I mean we watch the news. It's mostly negative and does that affect us. How can we be positive. Yeah i think it's obviously so hard to to stay positive when there's so much information around us that's tugging us all the different directions and you know thankfully we can realize that it's not our fault you know. There's so much cool science you can learn about about the negativity bias in about how it's just more addictive to to be negative than it is to be positive in that way so i know for myself i love that and i love sharing that with people so you know so you don't feel like it's it's something you're doing wrong when you're having negative thoughts but but really if you can take the time to get down to the ground and kind of get yourself out of that mindset a little bit in know that a little bit of deep breathing a little bit of moving around well helps you feel better. That can become something that you look forward to as well that you want to do. As well almost like kind of a healthy craving away instead of waking up in the morning and scrolling the news and really going to those things that you know are going to bring you into that negative mindset and make you feel you frazzled. Panicked all of that. Then you can just get down on the ground and take a few breaths you know you can still go and look at things but it's not going to pull you into it as much as it could without that kind of steady base of self care today with the office work or the pandemic business them because everyone was. I'm sure very stressed out. They need you know healing practices and so forth Things changed for you. Were living in new york city. Tell us about kind of what happened at. About how things are you know with the pandemic where things things are going now. I got to come here several years ago with a hollywood production crew and make a short video for youtube. And really the whole idea was to see if i could convince a small town in america to do yoga. And i remember my. Both grandmother. Said don't do that. No one's gonna come and it ended up turning out really well you know. We talked to people about feeling better and really came at it as a community activity instead of There's something wrong with you. Need to do yoga so for me. It feels really like a nice practice to to be around. People that are that are familiar to me and to still keep my practice of yoga and to share that really naturally with with people actually in my life right now some. I'm really grateful to be able to be here for sure. We're gonna come right back. We have final words. Terror styles our special guests your book clean mine clean. Bonnie a twenty eight day plan for physical mental and spiritual self care. And just so you know. Terrorists been featured in the new york times vogue magazine. Elle harper's bazaar in style esquire shape you know all the books i read magazines. And we're gonna come back remaining thoughts with tara stiles after this tribe signs was designed in two thousand ten. 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And you know those commercials for peleton where you show the guide. They show the person. Say come on you know that the coach and the person's huffing and puffing on the on the peleton this kind of what your your book. You're kind of like that guide. You know with us. Beautiful pictures beautiful. You know great information inspiring your kind of there to coach everyone and get people on the right track. Yeah i love the word guide. I started teaching yoga at such a young age that there were doctors lawyers and parents coming to my class and i literally felt embarrassed to say i was a yoga teacher so i just called myself a guide and that kind of stuff. I love the idea that i can show people how to do these things to feel better in. I'm so excited about it. You know it helps me feel better. I've seen it helped. So many other people feel better. They changed their lives and their careers. Take off or they start the family. They always wanted really people figure out what they want. And how they wanna get there in such a holistic and non harmful way. And i'm just. I think it'll be excited about that for forever for sure. Well i have one more question. I want to ask you about spirituality. It's a beautiful word. Describe with spirituality means to you and how it affects your wellness movement. What does spirituality spirituality to me has always been this big feeling of. I have some energy in my life. And if i take good care of myself i can pick my head up a little bit and look around and see how i can help see out how i can get involved and realized that i'm connected to all these people that i'm here on the planet with and i'm not here to save anybody but i'm here to use my energy for good and you need your whole self to do that. You need a healthy body. Need a healthy mind. You know you need a strong mental state to do that so in a way. It's really kind of kept me going to to feel better myself because i know when i feel better i do better. I think you know so many people. I have got to speak with about religion and spirituality have also communicated you know some version of that. So you know. I think it's so cool to to just remember that that we're all so similar and that helps us stay connected. You have a very purposeful holistic view of life that we could really learn in in your book clean mind clean body a twenty eight day plan for physical mental and spiritual self care we wanna purge all that negativity and all that stress and go get terrorist book terror styles clean mind clean body a twenty eight day plan for physical mental and spiritual self care. Give us a positive directive. Please something some golden nugget before you go. Don't leave don't leave us in this negative world. Gosh i think the best thing that i've figured out so far that's helped me really a lot of folks i share with isn't isn't just a simply breathe but really the thing that comes before that is to soften ourselves and to have a little bit of bandon your elbows in your knees and whatever joints you can bend and then really this emotional an easy softness there and letting move around a little bit from your middle how it really feels good for you because if you're trying to even be good at your meditation than it's not actually working for you so well so really allowing yourself to move and the places that are pulling your attention your interest a little bit and then literally watching your breath move through you if you soften. It's kind of like opening a door. Your breath has been there waiting outside in the rain waiting to come in so we don't need to even breathe bigger deeper. 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Teams showing who they are

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Teams showing who they are

"Today's opening tip as first reported by who sports the warriors intend to sign Andrew bogut after he's clear from his Australian team. There's no official agreement and place yet a source told our friend, Marc spears that broke at one ring with the words in two thousand fifteen they think that maybe he can help them again. Byron DC him play. Mitch I don't know if he's will play much. But if he does I think he can definitely help them. Remember when they won the championship a couple years ago. Andrew bogut was a big part of that team specially on the defensive. And so I think this is a good move. If he doesn't play. Well, you don't lose. Responding and he's a big fan of baby d like has be short. Good references here on the job. It's monday. I'm ready to lick with our NBA insider Bryant horse, you can tell he's a father of young child and three-time mbh. Byron Scott, welcome back. Lovely to see you coming up. We'll talk about the brackets. They're getting healthy as we approached the playoffs. But who is their most important player? The panel might not say who you think they are going to say, look, I the great Maya Angelou once said when people show you who they are believe them. This is true in love 'em politics. And in the NBA where the playoffs begin in less than six weeks. Or another words forget what it says on your favorite teams Tinder profile at this point in the regular season. We've all seen enough to know whether I like sunsets. And long walks on the beach, really actually means I am prone to superstar temper tantrums and falling apart on defense. And this could be true in either direction take Houston, which is won five straight. Just yesterday. The rockets built up a twenty eight point lead against Boston. Squandered a big chunk of it. But then held its ground -fensive Lii in a way that yes showed us who they are a team that has weathered some injuries and some early roster mistakes to become in James Harden's own words, a group where guys know their roles, we're executing defensively helping each other. We're talking the Celtics. They've shown us plenty to all that we have hemmed and hawed over whether Boston we'll get it together. But the truth is who they actually are is a group of deeply talented individuals who have struggled to function as a team they are three and seven in their last Tang games. And yesterday's loss included Brad Stevens calling timeout. A whopping fifty five seconds into these second half. What followed was second year. Reserve some usually hall people chastising his teammates to wake the blank up. That's what he held in the huddle Odelay would later. Tell the athlete quote. I don't normally do that. But I kind of felt we were splitting a part. He said. I mean, the seasons wasting away. Meanwhile, and other cities around the east we see other teams solidifying their identities the pistons have won ten of their last thirteen including beating Toronto and overtime last night and the magic well the spite last night's loss to Cleveland on one of those Obas they are sitting in the eighth seat. They haven't been that high in the standings in March since two thousand twelve and coach Steve Clifford should get a lot of credit for instilling that whole we might not be the league's most talented team. But we can sure fight like hell cultures since the start of two thousand nineteen since January first Orlando was playing the second best defense in the league. So that's who they're showing us. They are. Now, why are you looking at Donovan Mitchell as for the west here, come the jazz. Donovan was just since asional on Saturday night scoring a career high forty six points. The jazz have had to deal with a front loaded schedule the past few seasons and each time. It's caused them trouble. Right. But the benefit is clearly the role they tend to get on the second half the website fivethirtyeight has. These guys projected to win nineteen of their remaining twenty games, which is crazy. But when you look at their schedule completely possible, and what about the bottom of the west playoff race while the kings have lost five of their last six things should improve a little with the Knicks coming to town tonight. What's that -cremento may be showing us that they are talented and fun, but perhaps still too inexperienced to be a playoff team, the clippers on the other hand are showing us that they are made of grit even as the team they share in Reno with is showing us yet. Again, they are not. Yes, as you are all well aware these weekend the Lakers fell apart completely lost to the sons yet another team that actually needs to lose to maintain its draft position. I'm gonna keep pointing out that if the Lakers could have just one the very easiest games on their schedule this season games against the sun's the nicks the Cavs the grizzlies the pelicans, they'd be safely tucked into a playoff seed. But they haven't won those games. They're not currently playoff team. And well. When someone shows you who they are you need to believe them. So Byron let's start there with the Lakers and clippers they play each other to night, whoever wins that game has huge tiebreaker implications. The Lakers are actually favored in this game that we woke up this morning. They were favored by four. It's gone down to three and a half. I don't know if that's just where the bedding money coming as opposed to who's actually going to win this game. But when you look at these two franchises. What do you see two franchises going in total opposite directions right now, you know, the clippers or playing as we talked about earlier with that true grit. They don't have a superstar type player, but they're playing together. They got chemistry Dhaka's Dona of a job of making. Sure, he's understand that we have to do it. As a team. We look on the other side you look into the Lakers. You see in a team that's playing with no chemistry whatsoever. They don't seem to be enjoying playing with each other. And I think after that also break, you will everything would be okay. But these young guys stills to me seem to have carried that burden of being. Your you're mentioning the tray what you're gonna be mentioned many more years. If you're in this league, you know, ten years or so so you just see to organizations right net is going in and told up different direction. And is it hurts me to sit here and say this that the Lakers right is killing me. Right. That the Lakers will not make the playoffs. They will not make the playoffs because of the distractions of these young guys not understanding what this is all about feelings got hurt. They're not playing with that that that chemistry at cohesiveness that you need to be playing with at this particular time of the season in order to make a playoff run, and the clippers all we're going to see a lot about the Lakers to the mood that they have tonight, the aggression level the energy from the start. They're not out of this yet. I agree Byron it's very bleak in Rachel. You're right. If they lose tonight, they're essentially six games back of the clippers and the seven seat the to me is a chance to play another couple of days in the season. Well, we don't I I will say this about that. The warriors have made it clear they don't care which they get they're gonna rest. Some guys down the stretch. They've already talked about that the warriors could end up into which would actually make the eighth seed more desirable than I do. I look to see the Lakers act like they want it tonight. And I think the one thing that we've seen from the clippers and Lakers is the clippers have acted like they've wanted. They train until by his hairs for draft picks. They basically said we're playing for the future here. But they but Steve bomber came out. And they said we expect this team to make the playoffs and they have played that way. I respect that one thing. I think the clippers have done that. The Lakers have not the clippers have not acted like a big market franchise. They have trained away players think overpaid trained away players. They don't wanna overpay. They have got plus draft picks. They have looked to draft guys in and develop role players. The Lakers have acted like there's always going to be a free agent to come and save the day. And you know, what's funny free may come to the team that's act like the small market. And that's what's amazing about these teams directions and stuff because I know I know you mentioned the. Young guys. But when you look at the plus minus and plus minors everything. But when you look at plus minus when you look at some of the big certifications numbers, the young guys are actually playing pretty well, LeBron is playing the best. That's not a surprise. You've got Tyson Chandler who is usually next depending on which day you look at it. But then you've got Kyle Kuzma, then you've got some of the other young guys in their Josh, Josh, Mark next. And and some of those other guys in Lonzo, obviously, if he is ever able to come back from that injury is usually able to contribute a lot defensively. How do they go forward through these next six weeks less than six weeks and still have a shot making it in? I don't know Brian. I said it looked so bleak right now for the Lakers as far as making it to the playoffs. I don't see it happening to be honest with. So you're the biggest Lakers. Game. I was like, okay. Okay. You guys are not gonna make the playoffs. You know? You just have too many things going on a negative front the stop and you guys from continue to try to build as a basketball team. And like you said I look at Brandon Ingram the last month. So he's played great. You know, who's been playing steady Alcides long. So they have some pieces that are working on the basketball war, but in that locker room something's going on. They're not together as a group in chemistry is so important to be successful NBA as if former coach do you have an idea of what you could walk in there and say if you walked in there tonight pre-game, what would you say if you're team on this game? They have to kind of say with young said in Boston, wait. Wake up wake up right now. You know, I mean, obviously tonight is the most important game industry. Brian said, they lose tonight is pretty much, you know over. I don't care what Satistics says, you know, is pretty much over an hour say this over anyway. So. We should point out. They are twenty four and twenty one with the brand playing this year and granted the injury derailed them took them while the back. It's not straight that. But it's not like when they've had LeBron they've been gangbusters. And so I look at the last eighteen games. And I say Mike spirit tells me they could go fifteen and three that that could happen. But again, they're twenty four and twenty one with LeBron again, I wanna know, I know the LeBron injury was big deal. I know the roster. We have been saying since July. It is not what we would put together around the Brown for this team. There are people who pick it loose coaching. Whatever it is you wanna pick. If you beat the Suns, if you beat the Knicks if you beat the Cavaliers if you. We're talking about our trying to lose basketball games. Discussion. Let's check on the zone was brought to you by autozone. In the zone James Harden's in the zone, forty points. And the rockets winner of the Celtics yesterday an impressive win national TV. After the game harden trust the importance of the rockets health at this time of year. Take a listen. Mostly everyone back officer. Kenneth miss my kiss rhythm throughout the course of the year. We've been having a lot of injuries from the house, but we're finally catching rhythm on both ends of the floor. And it was very. We haven't had an opportunity to push push push. So this is a perfect topic. Push pushing and catch a groove pulses. This is interesting because I wanna ask you, Brian who is more important for the rockets. Success James harden, Chris Paul, I don't wanna be on this question. But I'm just going to say that when I watched the rockets in person the first came out of the shoot after the all star break about a week and a half ago here in LA they lost that game. And they were very upset at that the officiating, but when I walked away from that game saying was my gosh. Just Chris Paul great. He changed trainers mid season. He really focused on his overall conditioning coming out of that hamstring injury. And Chris Paul looking so healthy and dynamic is what's really making this rockets team a contender. Maybe not a good team with with hard. They obviously still a good team a contender -til table to win and Golden State like they did with him with the cards. Now, Chris Paul is most important, although I don't wanna make this a a verse be situation. But I think Paul's health has been everything from this team to get back into the I think you just made it a versus conversation O'Brien, and I'm James. Heart. You know, I think he has shown throughout the season that he was able to carry a team when they were depleted with injuries. When you had Chris Paul when you hack appel out. He just took it a month to sell to carry his team to where they are today. We know with addition of Chris and Capella, they make they are made a much better basketball team is no doubt about that. But I think without James harden having that killer instinct being able to put on the floor and do the things he's able to doing a night tonight basis. They're not as good a team as we have seen over the last five games. And I think right now healthwise if they stayed is healthy, they are they do have a legitimate chance of beaten gold say worries which is not that they would have said in the first half. They just had harden. But you had Chris Paul, and I think it becomes kind of born this question was that James the one who's sitting there after that game saying health? We're finally how they were finally healthy. Yes. Capello's big part of that. I mean, he will also the rim like no one else. But Chris Paul is really what he's talking about. I'm Eric, Gordon. Played great Beckham hit with his when he's hitting threes. Doug different. Team. I mean, it kind of comes down to the championship teams. We've talked about sometimes it's third guy and whether the third guy performs well that really makes the difference on whether they win the title or not this could be the difference for the rackets coming up. We're gonna talk about trae young. 'cause man his objection for staring down Chris done after that deep three yesterday has been a topic of conversation. We will discuss I here's the distant replay from this gate in two thousand nine goes guess who it is. Vince carter. There's no way you're gonna get rolling. Mike taylor. Mike Taylor vaunted Taylor. Orcas candy referees. Right. Nice. The rich. Gem is brought to you by AllState. Are you in good hands? This is a make a myth me. Make miss this will make misleading. Boy, stay mental main. Macomb asleep. I still like seeing her mellows face in the NBA. So there you go make arc OT in raptors. Pistons Blake gets out throws. It off the backboard it goes in. They don't count it. Because they said the foul occurred before the shot, do you like that called you? I mean, I can you shoot it backwards over the back. Larry Bird did way back in the day. He doesn't know. To go back out that one exactly. Should they should all count? That's that is if you can do that, you should get your baggage. Miss winning. Every time we can roll out. We are. Happy today's episode the Memphis grizzlies had a late eleven Boyd lead over the summer without Paul George. Then Memphis went seven minutes without a field goal. They miss thirteen straight shots. Byron. Is this a on purpose thing or just they're not good enough? Just not good. I mean, look at somebody shows, they're wide open. You know, guys just missing shots. Obviously did not very good basketball team. That was a huge win for the Sunday, by the way, the trip which is caught them for the rockets breathing down their neck. I don't want to win for the funder in. We celebrate the business job. Memphis. Good job. Everyone got what they wanted to last night aggression Spencer day with the steel the Derek Jones junior acronym, down swatch and into the seats. I mean, I guess he technically should've tried to keep the baller. Rachel swatted into the seats, right? Bill. Russell would be a little disappointed, and, you know, keep it in play and go to another and get a fast break that looked like little anger. Derek Joan the best athletes in the NBA. Essay showed it right there this reflection. Let's go back to Oklahoma City early in the first Jeremy grant making the free throw. And then Russ gets whistled for the tech Russ pleased to the referee. But but I was talking to myself. So she does all the time great to be to be fair. And we're gonna get into the next tech that should maybe not have been attack and just a second. But this was. Techs get rescinded and this is a candidate. Ooh. Other candidates. Show it. Let's just move on. All right. Let's take a look at the ojection on trae young. Woo start in the first quarter. All right when young and Chris done got double tax. It's kind of a minor altercation during a time out, but I get it. The refs kinda wanted to do what that keep the game in control. Physical on little love cap on the back of the head this lingered into the third quarter though when young buried eight deep three still at the bulls logo, and he stared down. Solo right that today's second tag, which of course, caused the ojection and many people around the league, very frustrated by this not just trae young in the hawks Rudy go bare stepping in saying come on, man. Where's the fun in the game of basketball is we can't show any emotions then Reggie Miller chimed in what's happened to my beloved NBA game. So damn soft and sensitive now, no Atri on should be given technical for this. I would have been broke an out of the league into years chokes spray. The anchor Mel noted blazers fan chimed in on Twitter. Well, she got tossed for looking at her effort too long and that was nineteen years ago in Western Conference finals game. So I'm not sure the game is getting more sensitive. Look, here's that check from the two thousand Western Conference finals we had sheet on the show all star. He was just talking about this. So this is something that has a history in the game. Byron put this trae young second tech. They knew throw him out. He he looked at done. And really by the time done turned around. He was already going away. Why why do this? This to me is just ridiculous to be honest with you. I don't understand why you would get that young men attack. Instead of a warning, you know, he's walking away. Like, you said done turns around why he's walking away. So he didn't even seem. So why not just go up to trae referee Assayed, listen, hey, cut that out? Don't do that. Again. I don't get this defender of officials and because I I will say that I did not watch this game from start to finish. And I did not know if there was a warning give. Even before this, which maybe there was, but it was incumbent on the officials to know that you've trae young already has attack. Yes. And to have a higher threshold for jetting him in that. And I feel like if there had been, you know, escalation, maybe we would know about I I was trying to say, I don't know everything. But boy, it doesn't feel right. So after where they interviewed the officials. They talked about the difference between celebrating and taunting. I just think as a league we need to get away from the idea that looking at someone and you stuff curry had been thrown out for dancing after shaming. Everybody. Those teams are in the bottom of the standings. They just play the four time. Afternoon, minus four degrees. They wanna see trae young. I I think again, I don't have all the information. But I'm Reggie Miller. Right to solve two cents representing come on the sheet. The sheet award is valid this has been going time. Jetted for laugher. Let joy Crawford. King has to be taken out of the taunting. The tech questions just to coming up. We'll discuss the Celtics they have lost five of their last six games. What is the biggest problem facing them right now this? The Celtics Lakers highlight this week's NBA Saturday primetime game our coverage tips with NBA countdown. Eight o'clock eastern on ABC you could always watch on the ESPN app. You can watch from anywhere. I like the photos they picked for this promo right telling their welcome back. We will talk about this ethics now 'cause they finally got their first win after the all star break on Friday. And then they found that up with performance losing to the rockets at home Boston was down by as many as twenty eight. They did go on seventeen six run in the fourth quarter is a little more competitive. But never got. I don't think closer than with an eight in that game. Our for said afterward. We've had some good moments. But right now, unfortunately, we're going through a really bad stretch. This is groom needs group needs to make sure that we stay together. You could argue whether they were together and all the season as for kyri a man of few words, take a listen. Was that one for you guys tonight? So. What happened in the first half just didn't play? Well. In your career. Have you ever to any lightness? You said you wanna be leader the steam what what you have to do. Kinda turn this thing around. She's got better. Carey has been doing this for about a week. He's clearly on the mosh marshawn Lynch school of post game interviews. I don't know. 'cause he's not saying more than three words at a time. I have to assume this is a little bit of hey, he's gone through an entire season of everyone dissecting everything he says and sort of turning it back on him. And I would have to assume he has decided that he's going to put a sal- hall to that. By just not saying much of anything. Byron though, the problems go a lot deeper for this team. Then Kyrie's post game interviews. What is the biggest problem for this team right now? Listen to our Harford who talked about going through really best stretch right now. They're just not playing together. They're not all on the same page. I think you've got different guys in that locker room who have different agendas. It's not all about winning right now with them is. They just have a lot of stuff that's going on. And somehow some way these next eighteen to twenty games. They're going to have to be able to get rid of all that stuff. Now as much as we talk about kyri being the leader and some other stuff that goes on with team and as much credit as we give him brass teams over the years. How great he is coach I think he has to take some of the blame as well you as a coach to step in right now in figure out what's going on. With your team has some sit down heart-to-heart talks with somebody's guys and try to get everything out and open. So you guys can move on. Because right now, it seem to just be lingering amongst organization, and somehow gotta get this all cleaned up real quick on. I understand why he's frustrated with the media get that one of the reasons when he went to Boston that he wanted to trade it was because he wanted to be the centerpiece of a franchise wanted to be the man. Part of being the man is coming forth this dealing with the media. I'm all on the verge. Rachel, I'm on the verge of retiring. My Lakers cone of uncertainty because it's really flattened out. I want to win a million the Celtics cone of unsalvageable. Sal because I honestly believe a fancy graphic for this. Would you say this is fancy I honest. Yes. Yes. Fantastic. Rats was taking graphic. Honestly. We should have we should have workshop, honestly, I made it's my years of covering the Cavs. Lebron? I look at this team. Even though they're in fifth place potentially have a doodle put path the playoffs. They met to play Philly in the first round. I still feel like this team could get it all together. And when east I still think if their top six or seven guys all fall into their roles, but they're the best team. And I recognize I end up like a fool because they could be home by April thirtieth beef covered yourself with the MARTINI glass. And I think they could win these. They could think if everything's alright think they could give the warriors every bit of every bit the championship fight. So I'm really just interested. I'm disappointed in them. I'm disappointed. I'm sure. You're right about Brad Stevens some of its on him to. Absolutely. I look I I wanna look at some of the the ranking rate Celtics six in three point percentage, but not recently, right? They are dead last in that number since the all star break shooting under twenty percent bench nine from beyond the arc. There's a lot of places. This could go Gary Washburn from the Boston Globe put it towards mellow. Anthony. He wrote that he thinks that mellow could help bolster their bench shooting. Meanwhile, woes reports the Lakers have paused their talks with mellow because Lakers don't really wanna add Carmelo Anthony. If they're not going. And how aggressive are talks to have to be paused Carmelo. Aggressive. Regressive. Everything I do you think there's anything to the Celtics being able Gary Washburn. He's been covering for so long. I don't know him. He's been around for decades used to cover the Sonics. That's all he's been covering the league. He also was the only guy vote for Carmelo for MVP the one year LeBron came one vote short. So Carmel Gary Washburn is a big believer in Carmelo Anthony. This team right now is a mess with roles the role definition. And that this kind of goes to Brad Stevens. He's done a good job of selling guys on their roles bringing in a force like Carmelo Anthony right now regarding the fact that he would be a big problem defensive end. I don't think that they need any new bodies. I think they need the bodies that they have to start playing the players that they are this wouldn't be a good fit for them right now. Because now you just bring it in another problem. You know, I think like Brian said you got to get these guys in the locker room and try to solve the problems that you have in house before you bring anybody else in. And I think they have enough I agree with Brian. This is a team. And it's a lot of. This is a team if they get their act together they could be anybody in east. There's no doubt about it. They could beat anybody in these. But if they go along and continued play the way they're playing they'll be out in the first round kyri is worth his weight in gold in postseason game. Yes. I know. That's to forget when he lays having these weird comments off the court, but when the postseason arrives we've seen it. He's a championship player. I still believe that it can happen, tone the MARTINI. Martini. Let me with us. Fourteen glass. Pretty sure Steve's at the wheel today. I'm gonna ask him to go out of order a little bit because I want to get to that comparison between Boston and the Sixers you mentioned the potentially rough patch that they could have through the playoffs right now. It would be that five four match up in the first round rate. And here's the irony about that Boston is actually heavily favored in that kind of matchup. Right. I mean, they almost sweat Philly out of these conference semifinals that year after going three to nothing. So that hype ascetical first round matchup could actually be good for Boston. It could be bad for the Sixers and this is where we'll get back on track. And I'll tell you that basically over the weekend Jackie MacMullan or teammate was out of these lone conference. And she spoke to Sixers co owner, Josh Harris, and he said that it would be quote problematic, very problematic. He would not be what we're playing for. If we got swept or get swept. But if they lost in that first round kind of matchup. He said I'd be unhappy. We'd be unhappy. The city would be unhappy. We're going to work hard to make sure that doesn't happen. So given that whole MARTINI glass of uncertainty Byron that the Celtics have and it right now at least with less than six weeks to go that could be the first round match. Are you worried about the Sixers to there? I am I'm a little word. But, but if this matchup happens currently the way that the Celtics are playing I'm taking Philly. I'm taking Philly because I think they're in a better place, and you know, with addition of Tobias Harris, and then you've got Jimmy Butler earlier, you know, they have the type of pieces that can definitely match much better would himself than they did, you know, three or four months ago. So at this particular time with the way, Boston just kind of fill flailing on both ends of floor in the way. Philly's kinda plan would be healthy. I think Philly's better team applaud Josh as for doing this interview. I really respect when owners come out and make statements, and by the way, of course, he disappointed they've made two major trades. Yeah. To took him into the season Elton brand sold on his podcast. I'm going for the title this year. And yet it's not so much Boston in the first round or fill in the first round vice versa. It's that if your fill your Boston you have to beat each other possibly to Toronto. Then you. It's more the path the initial couple of years ago. I think two thousand fifteen to Spurs play the clippers in the first round. It was a brutal seven game series. Both either of those teams could have maybe one the conference. But the way we think fell they played the first round. I remembered doc in pop complaining about the whole series. Why do we have to sometimes it happens? Sometimes it's a result of it. And it doesn't mean that either team has lesser if that's happened in the conference finals, right? He wouldn't say that one toss. Well, he got to rebuild the whole thing that's important to point out for the Sixers, especially they potentially have to max free agent until bias hairs and Jimmy Butler before you commit three hundred million dollars. Which is what those two guys would cost you'd like to know that at least committed play. And that's why the chips are all down and really not just down for once you get to the place but down for the rest of the regular season. There are less than six weeks until the playoffs. This is it. This is the time you put the pedal down and decide where you're going to be who you're gonna face which round. Are you quote a disappointment as? Josh Harris would saying this would be or can you move through? This is big deal. I know sometimes in the NBA we like oh the end of March gets a little dead over. It's just waiting for the playoffs. There's a lot in play. Right. The Pacers the Pacers who are causing all this. They're good play their March. Schedule is brutal. Yes, I think it's more likely than anything. The Pacers will slide back we won't have that. But that said it hasn't happened to this point. There's a lack on coming up Adam silver calling the all star game antiquated at this loan to conference on Friday. Do we agree? I know here's another distant replay. This one is from two thousand eight route again, so a little bit user, but take a look. But take on that step. Step again, he was one of the most athletic dominant Pluess came in. Still still has been. I'm thanks tonight on sportscenter Stephen Smith discusses why the Lakers trouble now could affect them next year to details wide matab Barnes really want. Nick foles and due to phase Diane back in four hundred sixty seven Gandhi TCI. Welcome back to the jump. NBA Commissioner Adam silver talking with our friend Bill Simmons at these flown sports analytics conference is a great panel worth looking up on you. I applaud them for being so candid right Bill is great. They're both grades. So we're brought up the all star game as something he thinks isn't working anymore. Take a listen to this. The notion of an all star game antiquated. I get it. You know, we put another hearing on the pig so to speak the draft selection all that. And it even didn't work as well. This year is the prior year if you're there in person, it's a really fun weekend. I think and it's a gathering of everyone in the so called MBA family, but the game is a bit of an afterthought. I. What is right where on the nose? The I love all star weekend. But you don't have the game. It's fun to see all those guys on the court together. I just applaud his being honest. I'm brian. He's right. Some has to be done because. Oh, big best. I don't know. I don't know what it is has to be done. But something has to be done because it is it's like an lipstick on a pig right now. It's still looks the same just got lipstick on it. And I thought that's what they did last year. And that's what they've done over the last five to ten years really something has to be done because for the first time in a long time. And I'm a basketball fan. I did not watch one thing of all star weekend. Not one not the dunk contest along veteran of Ulster weekends. And I know that have sticking the mud. It's completely silo over substance. But this is more than just about fixing the all star game. I wanna make that clear in another part of this interview Adam talked about how he really this is the third or fourth time. He's brought this up. He really wants to bring in another competition within the season besides playing for the championship. He refers to this. As the European soccer tournament preseason were where European soccer team, a top level team will play in three or four different competitions. Now granted their main inter-country trophies one that they want the most right? They there's other competitions. What I think Adam wants to do is. I think he wants to phase out all star weekend and bring in a competition that a team could hold up a trophy in. And it's not the Larry O'Brien. He actually even gave it a name. He said he he named it. The stern Cup that they win the stern Cup midway through the year. Now, I also want to point out the all star games have been scheduled through twenty twenty two. And also, the this would have to be collectively bargain. Did I think we have six years left on the was not something that's coming on the short term? But I definitely think something Adam wants to do. And I think there's merit to it. I know I've heard him say this to the NBA is a star driven league. It is about stars. And what all star weekend does is it showcases for everybody else. Even the casual fan. These are the guys these are the stars. And you get to see them all together, you get to see Steph curry on Taku, bows. You know alley bouncing alley. The whole thing. I mean, I don't think a mid season tournament where you're seeing what more of the bulls playing more years. I mean, I don't just calling. It a pig. Because he was making a personal opinion he has data and reasons for for backing that up. I just I don't know, Tracy. I wanna properly give credit I believe it was T Mack. Who said in one of our offset discussions here. He wants to see a rolling one on one tournament in the all star game. So bring these same group together on the pig. Why though wouldn't you wanna see like each team have a line of guys they go one on one to five the next one next one? Doing almost every night. You saw that every night against some the I don't know. I I am I understand it needs some work. I would be against anything that stops bringing all these guys together in one place because man, the star power pretty amazing. I think it's the league's main selling point, and you take that away. You are starting chip away. At what you're good at also people want to see something new at the time. I think people want to see something different. If you've been to ten Levin fifteen times. Let's people don't go to fifteen all still. But even the ones that are watching on TV. Guys. So I think you wanna see some new so I think Adams on the on the right track. All right more from the weekend. At Sloan silver, also addressed the idea that many young players seem unhappy with their current situations. This was super interesting. To the outside world. They see the fame the money all the trappings that go with it. They're the best in the world. What they do. You know, they say I was a possible. Like, they could even be complaining. And I I hear this on television all the time. A lot of these young men are genuinely unhappy. I mean, some have come from very difficult circumstances that doesn't help some of them are immediately. I selected. Lhasa your he's being hundred percent honest here. He doesn't care about PR. He's been hundred percent on that last sentence to me that last part incredibly isolated with so telling I mean, look Viren when you played they talked about championships being one on the bus, right? And then you guys, but just I mean the way you guys hung out with so different. What do you see now, and sort of certainly at the tail end of your coaching career change with the way, the guys on team interact with each other. You know, you see guys on their phones. They're talking our Texas somebody and he could be right next to them. You'll guys don't talk to each other anymore. We we had a great team of individuals that really enjoyed being around each other. We try to take care of each other. If you had a new guy came into the situation, we embrace that guy. You know, I remember when we drafted Acie green AC green eight at my house three or four times a week. I had to tell him. I had to tell you know, my my wife was cooking. And then I had to tell you you can only come once we this out of house. That much but just the commodity of having him over his showing him that love. There's somebody cared about him. Somebody else wanted to make sure he was doing. Okay. We don't see that today. Now, you know, a lot of the the veteran guys they don't have an interest in the younger guys because the younger guys most of the time they come in. They already got a little bit of attitude. Darlie think they've made it Dary think they they should be paid big bucks. You know? So they don't come in with that that that that we did back in the day. So I think social media like I said has a little bit to do with that. But a lot of it has to do with just the fact that you know, when they get here, they're not used to that communication of dealing with other people, you know, not your social media. It's also the head. I mean, the I love I love my beats. But I I would blame them more than I would blame even the commercial marketing on the man, I'm the man. I would say it's not just players. Even though we have incredible amount of money in the league, people are being paid more than they ever. I would say that it includes general managers. I would say that includes agents, I would say that includes other team personnel. I would say that includes owners, I think it's a it's an issue. I don't know how it's fixable. But I do think it's an issue time change, right. Can't sit there and be like, no, no, we're going to block out. The fact that people have cell phones, we're going to block out the people were their headphones teams and players, and coaches and GM's this is one more thing you have to figure out how to adapt. I don't doubt that teams are going to start looking at this a little bit more closely. The players association has taken more of a mental health approach intriguing guys more, you know, community and also sort of making them feel comfortable coming in and talking about some of these issues, which is really important. But I think there are some sort of team wise wide ways that teams can work on chemistry in a more global sense. And they got to adapt times timeshare. Here's what the jump recommends four today. This is amazing. I cannot give this a more hardy recommendation. Cavan arnovitz. We've been talking about the story. The last two times he's been on the show. He's been teasing it. It's here finally people he sons organizational failures over the last decade. It's on the ESPN app. We will talk about it after the break. Hanging Pablo here too few minutes to discuss column or should be the number one pick. Whether social media is making the NBA sad. Why saints fans still won't get out this feeling and I accept the challenge from Bomani that could make one of us a legend. Stay tuned. What is already my money's? I'm from my. On Wednesday doubleheader starts with six foals at eight eastern. We love you Pablo then it's off to staple center from Lakers negatives, our coverage begins with NBA countdown, seven o'clock eastern on ESPN and the ESPN app, and it's crunch time to get to it. All right. So if the Knicks lose to the kings tonight, they'll be eliminated from playoff contention. Do they have to hit that number watch it over? March and they're still in it to lay Shen. I mean, did they? They I will say with the way the lottery odds are flattened this year. Just when remind everyone again, they will have a fourteen percent chance. The number one pick Guyane, but they have almost a fifty percent chance right at the number five pick. They definitely have a fifty percent chance of finishing outside the top three. Okay. And those that they're not the worst team. Then it goes up in terms of their like to get five or six or do somebody from new? Visit one of our hottest new shows within a show on the I love this one. Starring Denham Booker de'andre age Roberts Arbor. And of course. This is my favorite show for years. Now, I get to relive it. With the Phoenix Kevin arnovitz writing to peace. We recommend before the break detailing a number of bizarre incidents in the sun's front office over the past few years already. Everyone's favorite one story stating that server planted some goats in the front office of former GM Ryan mcdonagh as they way to inspire him to find a goat player for the sons as Kevin writes, the goats unaware of service plan proceeded to defecate all over mcdonagh's office. I just I'm gonna just say react, please Byron what you get. That's what you get. Goats and office. That's what you get. But you know, what is shows? How bad is organization is basically just kinda shows bad. It's been going for them over the past ten years. Plus, but I do like the two cornerstones. They do have those two young boys that they have. I think are gonna be great basketball players but start from the top stars from the top. You gotta get you. Gotta get those -ation. Right. I before the team's going to be there. Apparently, there was Diana to Rossi events nearby that had goats because again, of course. Nobody stopped him. You know, I guess the owner you March through the elevator and go past secretaries death strange about this the Kevin points out. This is kind of an insult to your general manager he extended his he extended his contract like right after that. Maybe because he felt bad that the. This guy deserves an extension. This guy deserves to have goats point his office. That kind of thought process has gotten the sun's where they are. You gotta start from the top. How'd you feel the Suns would get many goats onto their lick was let's just say at worked, right? Let's just say that man that really was a great metaphor. And it really drove home. The message to Ryan mcdonagh. What them was Ryan? Mcdonagh supposed to do. Call. Call Michael Jordan. Can you come out of retirement? I I would just say that this is something that can fair or not can stick with somebody for twenty years people will say well, remember when he brought the goats in to the office. I think there's a lot sticking them ranch is from the time of it's still in Ryan the counters office in the buzzer. Here's LeBron at shoot around today. Take a listen. There were flawed believe we're a little bit an experience we have some things that we can always get better at I think we're young team. And we all knew that coming into the season that we were young team. And we're putting together a team to be for the first year and trying to figure things out on the fly. I mean, we don't have we don't have the luxury to pay attention other teams right now, we can only control we control we can play and get back on track. So it actually does. Absolutely, no, good to pay attention anybody. Besides our opponent that we played tonight. Hey, the there is LeBron is their future and present collides tonight because you are playing tonight the opponent tonight as a team you were trying to catch race. What what can LeBron do what can LeBron do tonight to go into that locker room to be on the court? He is the engine that led to doubt about the obviously Luder team. First of all, they are flawed. You know, we've seen enough laude. He say they are flaws especially in the defense van. But I think he has to be LeBron he has to go out there, and he has to put it all out and floor and the players have to see that. When they see that follow. He's tried to put a positive spin on something. That's all he's got his comments last week. I read anyway goes. We'll be back tomorrow. No goats in here. Sorry. Oh.

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Ep. 94. Ruth Petran: Influence of Sanitation on Public Health

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Ep. 94. Ruth Petran: Influence of Sanitation on Public Health

"Hello everyone and welcome to food. Safety matters the podcast for food safety professionals. I'm stacey publisher foodsafety magazine. And i'm here with my co host barber venture ham editorial director of the magazine. And it's one of my favorite days. It's the day that bob ferguson of strategic consulting joins the podcast to discuss a little news and to share with our listeners about our most recent food-safety insights research findings. Bob welcome one and on a bar by stacey thank you. That's a very nice welcome. Hey bob hey bob. Hey barb i don't call you bar by is at barbara i know. I know that that sounds a little weird. Stacey it's weird for me to say it isn't it. I know it makes me about junior high move. Oh god none of us know turn back turn back all right. So the main event of every episode is barbara's interview and today she speaks with dr ruth petrin of petron consulting but many of you know her as a leading expert in food safety and public health most recently with ecolab. We'll give you more about her bio later. But i really just love it that she reserved refers to herself. I think very accurately as a passionate yet practical food scientist. I really really. I really enjoyed listening to ruth. And i know you all will too so stay tuned for that. There's one more thing that i've been meaning to mention if it isn't on your radar already world food. Safety day is june seventh this year. Well it's alway students. But i always seem to be surprised when it comes so i thought i'd mentioned it earlier this year so it doesn't sneak up on you like it sneaks up on me. Were posted lincoln the show notes for the fao who slash codex site. That offers support documents to help you and your company's bring awareness to food safety and i can't wait to see what y'all come up with this year. It's always fun isn't it so it is funny. Yeah and it's for a good cause so we love that all right and now moving briskly briskly to the news we're gonna start here with the point of privilege. We recently announced the recipient of the twenty twenty one foodsafety magazine distinguished service award this award honors individuals who best exemplify the characteristics of the dedicated food safety professional and they are recognized by members of the profession for their collective work in promoting and advancing science based solutions for food safety issues yay science. Yes barbara the envelope. Please if i had a drama. I do a little drummer yes well. This is paradise this year's recipient is this is dr frank busa director emeritus of the national center for food protection and defense and professor emeritus of food microbiology at the university of minnesota. Dr boosters research areas are in food safety growth and survival of microorganisms environmental stress in food microbial ecology and food defense. He's published more than one hundred twenty five. I'm tired thinking about refereed. Research papers. And i could really. I could keep going so you might. Well we're we're gonna put his a link to his bio in in the show notes. You want check that out is. He's a very very impressive gentleman. So we're quite honored to be to be honoring. Dr booster and we will be presenting the award to dr boosted during the keynote address at the upcoming virtual food safety summit may eleventh through the thirteenth yet. Another reason to attend so visit foodsafety summit dot com to register their plans available for individuals and teams. Be sure and check that out. And if that wasn't enough are ready there's more there's but there's more but wait there's more i feel like every episode these days. We've had so much going on. It's like aunt. Ed ed and will be airing. Barbara's interview with frank here on the podcast may eleventh which is actually our next episode. So stay tuned for that. We've decided to make that a thing so that'll be good. We will actually have an episode where we interview. The recipients of those are distinguished service award. So that'd be good all right so on april sixth. Fda released a new report on the investigation into the twenty twenty outbreak of e. coli o. One five seven eight seven linked to leafy greens now in their preliminary findings early released earlier this year. Fda's investigation found the outbreak strain in a sample of cattle feces collected about a mile upslope from a produce form Which again drew attention to the role that cattle grazing on land adjacent to leafy greens could have increasing the risk of contamination. This also supports finding from the twenty thirteen investigations that suggests that the proximity of cattle is a likely contributing factor for contamination. So i think you can all see. We're building something here. During the analysis of outbreaks that have occurred. Each fall says 2017. Fda has determined that there are three key trends in contamination a recurring strain reoccurring region and recurring issues with activities on adjacent land so the big takeaway is the recommendation. Is that growers of leafy greens in the california central coast. Region considered this reoccurring strain a reasonably foreseeable hazard farms that are covered by physical are required to implement science and risk based preventive measures to prevent introduction of known or quote reasonably foreseeable hazards into or onto produce. All i have to say is. It's very nice. That fda pointed that out. But i think a little more guidance is needed. You know these farms. Don't have the authority to tell the cattle folks to you know. Move up the road. Further you know do something differently so well there is the leafy. Greens action plan right. They also refer to that so they are trying to make some some plans and well and it's interesting that they focus on california but we also had the romaine in yuma so It's not you know there. There are there is a recurring region like they said but It's not unique to california. There are other regions that are affected so we need. We need a little bit more. Yeah sarah thank barbecue suggesting that. There are animals near farms on other. That's a that's kind of a new thing though isn't it. Well the thing. I like to point out about this. Is that the fda recognized through the investigation that this link was made through whole genome sequencing. So you don't have to go back very many years where this wouldn't be possible. The other thing is mike. Taylor had mentioned in an op. Ed piece a number of things about this but one of the things he mentioned was that sixty percent of all food related e. coli a one five seven eight. Seven illnesses are from produce. A most are never associated with outbreak. But they are now and the two things that are happening here is is whole genome. Sequencing has brought this back to where it can be traced but the other thing is if they're never associated with outbreak. This has been going on for some time. We've just never been able to see it before so the one thing. Barb you said this. Exactly the someone's gonna have to do something with the animals but it's it's a sea change in thinking that this never should have been associated. Never been happening in the first place so a lot of people are going to change the way they think about farming basically well and then you have competing industries right. Because you have farms produce overseen by fda then you have a cafo overseen by usda and to get those two groups to share information. Not only i mean it's hard enough on a regulatory level but then just business to business If the cattle aren't being adversely affected they're going to have a hard time trying to initiate any kind of change that side of it. So it'll be interesting to see how this You know what changes are are able to be made. I think well. And i guess that is why As bob mentioned mike taylor who is. Fda's former deputy commissioner of foods and veterinary medicine called this a warning shot for figurines in his recent op-ed in safety news. So i'm sure everybody will be watching very closely to see what the ramifications of this very carefully chosen language on the part it was very much using regulatory language on the part of fda so We will of course put references to the articles that were noting here as well as our references for a well those were kind of included in the in the pieces for leafy greens action plan as well as d-calif longitude longitudinal study which is also going on in relationship to all of the efforts going on to get to the bottom of this. So here's an idea so a waiter. Barbara's gonna solve it. Is it now Well then somebody needs to pay me a lot of money to solve this problem. So you have big business manufacturing that are not allowed to pollute the environment around their plant right so here you have account the does essentially polluting the area around their feed lot. You know to say it's a warning shot for leafy greens. Why do the produce farmers bear the burden of fixing the problem when the problem is the sources elsewhere right. Yes i think it. I think the way to drive that is to use a similar strategy. That's been used a manufacturer so there you have it everyone listening. I have just solved the leafy green content well for for the leafy greens folks but back the our friends in the meat in the gun doing during a message. Yeah yeah. I'm going back to my water days bar saying barb just pulled the epa and on too well and and so so for water and air right now cafes need an mp discharged pervert right. Ed ed what kind of enclosures now So at the end of the day people need to work together to solve the problem. No one can solve it in isolation so that's the take home from this. Yeah yeah but i in all series. It's a great point that you make because why why do leafy greens in the farm. The bear the burden. When it's not there 'cause i mean i think you're exactly right. Yes yeah well well thank you about checks in the mail right. Go all right. And here's my open sesame on april fourteenth. The house passed the faster act. Which is the food allergen safety treatment education and research act for those of you keeping score at home it's s. five seventy eight for senate bill five seventy eight which sends it to president. Biden's desk where it is expected to be signed into law so we cover this recently here on the podcast so we wanted to make sure bring you to close the loop here This bill this has been a long time in the making so once the faster act is signed into law any food with sesame that is introduced or delivered for introduction into interstate commerce on or after january first of twenty twenty three must be labeled correctly. So we'll all add that to the list of our. So i guess what now. It's the big nine is that it take nine. Okay the one thing. I see about this since i think about testing all the time is oftentimes when you have these laws. Diagnostic companies have to catch up by coming up with a test but since canada already has sesame the test they're ready So we just need to adjust our labeling just need to adjust the label. Now you just need to be able to test for it and people can easily be ready Well it's always nice to see something seems like a happy ending. Seem like it all went. According to plan right an issue was brought to everybody's attention did take some time though so anyway. It seems to be a very good news especially for people with sesame allergies and now what you've all been waiting for is time for food food safety insights partner bob ferguson president of strategic consulting to give us an overview of his latest foodsafety insights article from our april may issue which is available on our website. Food safety dot com. You can also subscribe you know. Get this stuff. Come right to your mailbox. But the articles entitled testing to continue to increase in twenty twenty one. Take it away bob. So it seems for the last few foodsafety matters podcast that bit on for the past year or so that we've been talking mainly about covert and everything has been interruptions and disruptions covert. It's very nice to be back on the podcast. Not talking about kobe. Talking about testing and business and things again so it's quite nice And there's certainly more to do with the pandemic it's not over yet. We'll see more disruptions as we come out of it. But it's good to have this article talk about growth and what's really going to happen particularly with strong growth in the business so we found out this was evident in our most recent food-safety insight survey of two hundred food processors. Just recently we completed in that survey where we ask people about the testing what they're doing about half of the processor said that their current testing will remain about the same volume doing what they have been doing. But if those companies saying that they'll increase their test volumes their outnumbering those forecasting decrease by a level of six to one. And you'll see in the article. We talk about increases of two percent five percent ten percent. Roughly in those ranges but as six to one increase over those forecasting a decrease in very few people forecasted a decrease so. It looks as if this'll be a very strong market for the foreseeable future. And this will impact the overall market but another insight from the survey. We'll be particularly interesting to our friends and listeners. In the commercial laboratory business as this survey showed record levels of outsourcing that is sending samples out to a commercial lab typically over the last few years outsourcing has been strong we would expect to see about fifty to fifty five percent of pathogens samples by volume being sent to labs and about fifteen to twenty percent of non pathogens but in this sample twenty six percent of non pathogens so an increase in samples that are not normally send out to allow and a striking seventy five percent on a volume weighted basis of the pathogen samples that were going to outsource now one of the things that makes this really substantial for the businesses. That's going to continue the strong growth in laboratory microbiology testing that. We've seen over the last couple of years. It has been particularly in pathogens but it has been growing at about ten to twelve percent and for most commercial labs has been their strongest growth. Area looks if this holds and it's not just the sample but it looks at this holds. That's that's going to increase for some period of time and still be a very strong market area for commercial lows. So what is it. What do you think is driving the growth in sampling. Is this related to cova recovery. Or is it a regulatory demands. So there's probably a little bit of a factor of cova to recovery in there. But what i saw was the really good news is nearly half of the respondents. To the survey said it was continuous improvement. That's driving additional testing. so they're doing more environmental monitoring. They're doing more testing to continually improve their program The second largest answer which was about half of that number. I think it was mid twenty percent was regulatory so most processors what i'm seeing are. They're not driven because of because of being forced to because of regulation. They're trying to get a better program. Which i thought was really good side. So i'm i'm curious about the increase in non pathogen samples I mean it makes sense not to want to do pathogen testing in the plant. And you might. Not you know. Want something to escape from the lab. But what do you think's behind that growth in non pathogen sampling. So here's where. I hopefully coin a phrase. I hope this catches on it. But i've been calling this sample dragging. And what i mean by. That is barb. You're absolutely right. People don't want to enrich pathogens and work with pathogens in a plant lamb. But as long as i'm sending all those pathogens samples out up to seventy five percent of the samples across the whole market. I might as well send the other samples out as well and what processes at told us for years is. I'm not in the lab business. No i don't know how to hire analyst. I don't do it on a regular basis like a major commercial lab would do it. So as long as i'm reducing the impact or reducing the volume in my lab i also reducing for the non pathogens as well and it seems to be that that area is growing fast simply because it's just as easy to send it out as it is to maintain my only question would be. Then you turn turnaround time. So if you're doing it you know in a lab in your plant. You could get results faster. So are the the labs that are receiving these samples Are they tightening up. Those turnaround times for processors where i but by the way. That's a really good insight. The look at that difference. What i think's happening is the labs have changed a lot of their logistics to turn the pathogen test around faster and a lot of the pathogen. Tests are going to be environmental monitoring. But they're also released testing. Which is the one who has the most time sensitivity. Most of the non pathogen samples are going to be indicators and environmental monitoring testing in the plant etc. so there's not quite the time sensitivity on those as there is on pathogens but since the processes have been made to be faster for pathogens. I think the non pathogens will turn around just as fast. Now you'll have this like yeast and molds that. Take a while to grow anyway. But they're generally not that time sensitive interesting. I think pathogen dragging it needs to be it. It does need to be a term. He get my vote for that palm okay. Let's coined the term. The next insights article be called dragging. Were there any other surprising findings from the survey. I think the biggest surprising finding is what's happening with labs and what's happening with outsourcing one of the things i know that we were talking about before was outsourcing is different in different regions around the world. So what we also saw in this survey was it's a little bit less intense in europe but it still fairly pronounced in europe in asia. You don't have. The outsourcing quite so much of people say it's availability of qualified labs depending upon where you are in asia but they also tend to have higher qualified analysts than a lot of the labs. It's not unusual to see a phd at the bench in some areas of china and different places. And you don't have some of the labor issues. Like europe and north america may have one of the things i find really interesting about doing these surveys and talking to people about labs or when i talked to people who live on islands or island nations. I don't want to name any because i'm trying to remember the details of each one but sometimes you'll talk to someone who lives on an island and they'll say oh we outsource all our samples and then you'll talk to someone on a island very far in the so we can't outsource any of them and it just depends upon whether or not there happens to be a lab available and they can't ship it very far. You wind up with serious turnaround issues but sometimes the geography and things like that control whether or not you can outsource all interesting. Well thanks again bob. It's always first of all we love heavy on. You know that but we. We really love working on these studies with you and an publishing the results for our audience. I think that it's just a great resource. Oh thank you again and again. that's in. Our april may issue. You can read the whole article. Seal the great charts and graphs. In in our new fund addition those wireless charts and graphs take on a whole new life. So i like the way you click on them and they're your whole screen. I mean the whole thing. If you guys haven't checked out our new digital edition we're calling officially the e mag the magazine. It's really really a fun. Format and i think offers a lot a lot of great versatility so anyway. Thank you bob. So as always will put links for all of the resources including that april issue in our show notes or you can visit our podcast page of food. Safety food dash safety dot com find episode ninety four and. Don't forget. Follow us on twitter lincoln where we just as we were recording today hit fifty thousand followers on linked in. Thank you everyone. We'll do all right. I know i took woo to a whole new. Did i didn't even practice. Just came out was pretty good anyway. Search for food safety magazine become one of our valued followers. All right now. it's time for. Barbara's discussion with dr ruth patron a passionate yet practical foodsafety scientists and principal at ruth petra and consulting prior to starting her own business. Ruth held technical food safety and public health leadership roles at ecolab pillsbury and general mills. She is skilled at technical application of technical food. Safety risk management strategies spanning the global farm to fork supply chain and has focused on managing safety and quality concerns of micro biologically sensitive foods and systems. She has led food safety. Assessments at food manufacturing facilities worldwide focusing on applied. Hasek systems and regulatory compliance. Dr petron is congratulations. Ruth president elect of the international association for food production. Ifp and served two terms on the us national advisory committee for microbiological criteria for foods. She is a certified food scientists and chaired the minnesota food safety and defense task force. Her bachelor's degree is in consumer food science from cornell university and she holds an msn food science and a phd in public health. Both from the university of minnesota. I love talking to ruth. She has such an interesting career trajectory and just based on her experiences classes that she took really guided what she did with her career. So i'm sure that everyone will be Fascinated hanging on every word yet. It's a great interview and here. It is now so high ruth. Welcome to the food. Safety matters podcast. Hey barb nice to be here with you. So for someone at a company who wants their systems to be more science and risk-based. What would you advise as the first steps that they would need to do to really assess what they have. You don't think everything really gets back to the hazard analysis and you know those of us who've done hasek forever. And ever you know. I think intuitively know that but It doesn't necessarily have to be a real formal process but it has to be comprehensive niyaz. Think about whatever risks and hazards that exist in this particular situation in this operation in. This restaurant You know again. That's thinking broadly thinking about what might be very specific to that situation. That em- that the influences those risks so we can start with with kind of tried and true information we know. Salmonella is a risk in poultry We can get stems and twigs and things like that in produce. That can be physical hazard. Allergens that kind of stuff. But then how do we take that and serve layer on top and around it whatever. Local risks might exist that maybe due to the water supply in a particular part of the country or the world or the age and construction of the facility itself I remember being in a produce facility. That was more than one hundred years old and Was making very very good quality and safe product but it had a wood ceiling in that facility You know again. They were able to make very very safe product but they had to be aware and cognizant of the fact that they've got this different kind of situation in different construction than perhaps you would do today but they were able to manage it. Just fine I remember another facility that was located very close to a railroad track with high-speed trains going by so the dust that was generated just from being in. That location was different than if they hadn't been there again. Still very able to make safe food but being aware of those kinds of things is really important. So the these hazard analysis need to consider you know. Just what are those kind of quirky characteristics. You know that might be different That my need to be considered so it requires a lot of dialogue listening to others. Typically the qa team at the plant will lead this but not reaching out and getting information from the people who who have walked in that facility for a long time. Those operators sanitation people who you know perhaps been there for decades have a lot of just real intimate knowledge about some of this to make sure that they can understand those nuances. You know so that he thinks it's the groundwork and then i think it's a matter of of seeing what data are available that can support this in in these ideas and what else might need to be collected to help frame up you know is this is truly a hazard that needs to be managed here or is it managed upstream or downstream from that particular operation Taking a hard look at the data to make sure it's valid make sure it's Fitting together well. Are there some insights that needs to be pulled from that and now obviously with a abilities of business intelligence artificial intelligence those you know pulling out those insights sometimes a lot easier it depending on how it can be done and then i think to the reality is a lot of the regulatory actions now are very very data driven. You know the. It's all over the fda blueprint In the new era for smarter food safety is is the importance of one having data into doing something with it so then you know i think at the end of the day. It's kind of thinking about how that hazard analysis outcome. Mary's together with data that might be available today or might need to be collected To to really feed into the okay. So what do we need to do to manage the risks that are in particular product facility operation food service etc from what you've talked about a what what some accompany would need to put in place To be able to have action items to address issues. Fda had recently summarized nearly five hundred violations from fiscal year. Twenty twenty which reveal a number of sanitation related issues And i know you've looked at these data when i when i looked through the list. Conducting proper hazard analysis seemed to be like one of the number. One priority is based on that that data when you looked at fda's list of violations and other data sets from state or local health departments for example Are there is there anything surprising to you the violations that you cited so often things that you would think that accompany would know how to do by now when shouldn't have so many violations. Yeah i i i like. Looking at these data they they're published annually. And i think what continues to surprise me is that we continue to see the same things their You know the fact. Is that having a foreign supplier verification program or if he has been top of the list for the past couple years anyway since that has been a requirement under phys mma and even twenty twenty. It was A fifty percent increase over what was found in twenty. Nineteen you know. Probably because there were more requests for f. as vp's by fda and states and so on but you know that's been a requirement part Since early on and been required to be in place for as many as four years in some of the larger facilities you know it. Just don't know astounds me that we still continue to see that and and hazard else says well without even goes back much longer to two days and so i think of it having been a requirement in a sense for years. I mean old former roles of mine when i was at pillsbury in them in the mid nineties we would go in and audit supplier facilities. And you know we required house up. This is in the days before was really regulatory required. But that started with that hazard analysis So i i again. Maybe it shouldn't surprise me but just the fact that we continue to see these and then so many of these are in these. Gnp kinds of areas pest infant infestations. And just not conducting operations under conditions that would minimize things like micro girl for allergen cross contact cross contamination The things that can do lead to potential adulteration a aid. I see these data as opportunities. It's it's kind of an early warning although maybe it's a little bit later it's gotten to the fda level but still it's a it's a it's a flag that something's going on and that actions need to be taken so i like to think that now having a new set of refresh data out there that you know we can learn from these and make sure companies are focusing in on these kinds of things to make sure they've got their vp. You know they have a hazard analysis there Sanitation programs are sound and enabling them to keep that plant in us. Clean insanitary condition to avoid these kinds of issues that can happen now in terms of some of the more sanitation related violations. When you look at the data are there certain parts of the operating procedures for sanitation that that tend to get highlighted. The most or have you zeroed in on on any of that. Yeah i'll somewhat. you know. I think there is some consistency in what we've seen in the in the types of violations again And you know it's things like Poor sanitary design You know that again sets up conditions where that food can't be made and that sanitary environment which is on the basis of the regulations You know also the the To some extent the lack of documentation And you know the the outages. If it's not written down it didn't happen And so having very clear and Very deliberate documentation is key to make sure that you know again. These operations are being run appropriately. So those are a couple anyway. Is there any low hanging fruit for the companies that are getting hit with these violations that they could address fairly quickly. Now i think as as much as they can Making sure that that they have the right support to help them build their sanitation program so working with a company that can help provide them with the right sorts of products cleaners sanitizers and the like but also the support of how to use them. Because you know. Food companies are in business to make food and they do it very well and very safely. Typically you know. They're not experts in sanitation You know when you need your car fixed you take it to somebody who can fix your car even though we probably all are pretty decent drivers I think recognizing where you need to ask for help is working with Somebody who can help fill in those gaps and help you do this comprehensive review of your operation one to see where there might be sanitation concerns and then ways to help fill those Again products can help but also making sure they're used appropriately and that people are are trained and and just no no what they need to do because when they know what they need to do. They're more likely to do it. You know when. I was looking through the through. Fda's data There were actually a pretty high number of of violations in you mentioned about facility design But the violations were that the Maintenance wasn't performed adequately or sanitary operation and you mentioned this Produce facility that. Was you know hundred years. Old short of a lot of money by the company to To rebuild a facility you know. Is there an easier solution and more cost effective solution for for a company to address when they get hit with with something like that. Yeah well hopefully they would. Have you know the right programs in place that they wouldn't get hit. But you know. I think it does big the need for just a really good comprehensive maintenance crew who is one very aware of the facility. Getting back to that you know what's very specific to that plant for example and then you know like we again thinking cars. You know you need to do certain routine maintenance to make sure that things keep running and that is certainly true in in an operating manufacturing plant as well. There's a lot of moving parts literally that need to be tended to and i think with someone watching after and doing the tasks that are needed you can really hopefully avoid some of that. But you know things do happen. I worked in a facility Meat processing facility the head Constant issues with floors and we had a refrigerated Production environments so there was a lot of cool and hot and we were cooking meat so The floors did deteriorate over time. And we did get some Concerns from fsis at the time you know now and then because of our floor condition and you know what we the way we approached. It really was Just getting a planet place and it was running facility so it's not like that we could offense. Shut down for a couple of weeks drench but you know there were times when we could at least take long weekends and do that but the key was having a plan you know in demonstrating in that case to our fsis inspector that yup. We know that this is an issue we are doing patching where we can at that. We know is kind of a short term fix but at least we're aware of it and on top of it and here's our plan on this particular weekend day or this particular planned know maintenance downtime in a month or two to get to this and management was plant management was very involved in that. And you know that helped sued the waters. A little. Bit of yeah. We're on on top of this. It's not perfect. And then we. We did a lot of monitoring of that environment for pathogens. The could be in the environment just to make sure that things were under control and probably you know compared to waive facility that might have been in more pristine kind of shape. We were doing more. But i think it it made sense based on the risk and that's another example of being aware of what's there and then responding in a that is specific to that particular situation to make sure that you know safety is under control and we were able to demonstrate consistently that we were eventually. The floor got fixed. It just took. This extended time commitment to do it so for someone listening who's facility might be in a similar condition. I guess i have a couple of questions. I where do they start trying to put together a plan that will satisfy whatever regulatory agency is looking at their facility And you let's just start there what you know. I think that's where having a close relationship with that inspector or that regulatory agency now. Obviously meet facilities. Have inspectors in there all the time so you you do have that opportunity to get to know that person and get to understand where they're coming from and to to have those pretty frequent dialogues about Here's what we're doing. Here's what we've understood to be the problem and here again. The the solution. That's kind of in progress. I think constantly demonstrating that it was syria as serious to us as to that inspector who obviously was was in an enforcement. Kinda role helped a lot. So you know more just just demonstrating a willingness to gain the information that we need but also to put put money behind it and to You know hiring contractors where we needed to on what was beyond what the internal plant folks could do. helped us a lot. In that particular situation. I think demonstrating that There's a commitment there in a willingness to fix things and i think if it had had been bad enough you know we would have shut down in and we were. We did do that for these shorter long weekend. Time periods when we lost production time obviously And i think the fact that we were willing to go that to that point when it was needed Again demonstrated that commitment. So was it necessary to show. Fsis for example that this is on the calendar we have a dedicated scheduled that this will get fixed rather than just knocking about it during every you know every so often but not really showing signs that you're addressing that issue. Yeah yep we had to. We did make sure they were aware. And then as those days approached of of those shutdown times or again the weekend came and there was going to be some work done. We made sure that that inspector was completely aware. And then you know. Come monday morning when the plants started up again after that weekend it's bring them over and show them what we did to just make it. Patently obvious of Commitment that was there right. It seems like older facilities. Have to get a little creative in. What they can do And it sounds like that. You put a lot of resources and time and The science behind it to make sure that yes you're aware you're taking extra precautions looking You know for any problems that could contaminate product before you know i think the monitoring probably would have a appeased the inspector more than anything else that the it's constant monitoring another violation that that seemed to really At scream out at me was training. It was all over the place that People on the planet many different levels did not seem to be adequately trained. And i wasn't. I wasn't able to really determine if this was a result of turnover or resources or Just certain aspects of training that were lacking Are there recommended training programs When when you're talking to people that the author that they should be looking at yeah again. I think Those sanitation companies. That do this every day. are a really really good source because they've One seen a wide range of facilities have managed helped those companies manage through a lot of challenges be it contamination Allergen cross contact issues. You know how to clean a particular kind of food soil That might be harder to clean than than might be typical facilities that have had You know persistent contamination from pathogen. That's where these companies have have stepped in and really helped so i think Certainly coming in with that background is helpful So the you know the kind of the theoretical of here's the how to but really including the the hands on as well and leading You know a company who had come into a facility and actually work side by side with a sanitation operator for example showing them how to use the product You know how to read the label. You you're right. The labels are pretty complex. And and what is the most important sorts of information that they need to be taking from that label in implementing Are there Wall charts or You know kind of quick tip kinds of Things that can be put together to help help. Those operators remember what it is they need to do you know so that workshop hands on Kind of instruction. I think is really important but the other place that off so can be really. Helpful is extension departments and universities. You know they're in place to help. support generally the agriculture and food industry within their particular states. And so it's in their best interest to make sure that those industries do well and sanitation is certainly a big part of that. So there's several different good programs and publications and so on that extension departments have been able to do now. You had brought up lack of documentation and as we've heard from fda least it's not documented. It didn't happen that you need to have have that down on paper or electronically. Are there resources that are available for if a company needs to come up with their has a plan if they need their food. Safety management plan are their templates out there. The that folks can grab at least get them started. Yeah there there are quite a few Know from passive perspective. There are templates out there although i think when when starting with has a. it's really more important to get the training that's needed. So you'll learn what needs to go into those as opposed to just downloading a form and filling in what you think Because i think there are some background needed there but for things like sanitation procedures. There are examples of S appeaser sanitation standard operating procedures guidance. That's out there Again i point to extension departments or sanitation providers and I did do some poking around and found a really good example from penn state extension program where they actually talk about. You know what needs to be on that s o p and. It's very obvious things to start. You know name of the company and and the date and when it was most recently updated you know what's the version of that it kind of standard documentation stuff version of the document. If and when it was updated the what it encompasses the scope The frequency of cleaning how to procedure wise. Step by step You know in a reasonable order Maybe with notes the kinds of chemicals the how to use them Times temperatures water temperatures. You know all of that stuff and then record keeping as well you know. Where is that record stored. Who's responsible you know. Just as you would document a procedure for you know formulating product and and the recipe for that product There needs to be a lot of rigor around that s. Opi well to make sure that everything's laid out there so it's pretty clear as far as what needs to be done it also you know as a starting place for the training and if there's ten steps for cleaning this mix kettle. It's it's those ten that those sanitation operators need to be On i was thinking that Over the course of my time with the magazine. I've heard a lot of people talk about as companies ramp up. Production sanitation shifts get shorter and shorter. And they're kind of relegated to overnight I'm sure that when you've been implants you've been a cheerleader. Forgiving sanitation of full shift Because you know with your background and and in focus on public health what is the strongest argument. You can give to accompany to not just keep adding production shifts but also to make sure that sanitation gets a of attention. I think looking at the data that we have available. And if we go back to this most recent data set from fda and just look at what You know discounting the f. Svp and hazard analysis which are really important. It needs to be done but then sensually most of the rest of it is is gnp kinds of concerns many of which fall in the sanitation area. You know and and highlighting the fact that again this is not new. News really And yet these continue to be reported. And you know these can have regulatory Consequences for those facilities On we've seen a several different summaries of these data just highlighting that tade. You know their stuff going on So i think just making people aware and then the next step is to relate that to actual foodborne illnesses. You know and where we can go and find root cause information about some of the outbreaks that are out there Many of them do relate back to failures in some of these basic protocols. You know a leaky roof. That allowed bird droppings to get into the Peanut butter processing facility. Years back enabled salmonella to get into that environment now granted. There were a whole host of other factors going on as to how the outbreak in sued but the base was just facility issues You know we've seen others related to Construction events that the weren't managed appropriately that allowed contaminants to spread around through the through the building. you know. Companies looking at their own environmental monitoring results. And you know now with our abilities through whole genome sequencing to kind of follow the trails of some of these contaminants and seeing how they can travel to me. Those are basically the handwriting on the wall. That things are going on here and and we know that there can be you know. Pretty terrible outcomes sometimes if if these aren't attended to so i hate to come at this from the doom and gloom perspective but The reality is i mean we're were making food that somebody is going to eat and people of all ages can be impacted by foodborne illness. And i certainly wouldn't want you to know that some of these basic principles hadn't been followed then led to someone getting sick You know it's just really unconscionable that that can happen when for the most part these fixes as long as they're not allowed to spiral too far out of control can be managed effectively to avoid getting to that. Sure in a we. Can generalize the findings and see that. There were a lot of violations Directly related to sanitation practices as we've been talking about. What should the food industry be doing to verify that their sanitation programs are working To avoid seeing the same thing year after year as you mentioned the most surprising thing is that these issues aren't going away in. They're not being addressed so now if we if we said. This is the call. Wakeup call for sanitation. What do we need to be doing to change Going forward while the good news is that there's a lot of ways to verify and again these to the particular operation is really key but this is the the tasks that are done to make sure that those in this case sanitation protocols are being followed consistently over time. You know an easy things like just observing Observing sanitation being done Also a qa tech for example just watching to make sure that those ten steps were cleaning. A mixer are really being followed You know and if not questioning in go in and making changes where needed to make sure that that can be done. You know so. There's some some kind of basic ways to do it like that record reviewing records you know. Is there a sign up. Sheet saying that yes. This particular piece of equipment was cleaned and here are the steps that that person followed Have those steps. All been checked off is being done. You know we we think also about know using atp Which we're all familiar with and and giving us this kind of immediate feedback on did is the soil effectively removed from that surface therefore the surfaces clean. And then you know. Using things like the more traditional kinds of swabs for pathogens or indicator organisms to give us a read on the on the sanitizing part of the sanitation process of did we reduce the numbers of organisms below a certain threshold and eliminate the presence of a pathogen on those surfaces. You know those collective kinds of things and probably the more of these that are done. The better Can all help to verify that sanitation is being done. How much of a problem do you think it is that sanitation crews have so much turnover that there's almost a constant need for training You know. I've heard from people that the hours are aren't great that you know. They're cleaning in the cold or hot So there are a lot of reasons that people would would give you for not staying on the sanitation crew So how much of that do you think. Factors into the even to the violations that are found. i certainly needs to be considered. You know you're right it. It may not be the most ideal job. But it is vitally important job. And i think for The folks who were doing that really really important. Role are rewarded for that You know i think about folks like me who you know basically well now sit at home. But sit in office pontificating about food safety You know we're not the ones doing the food safety. It's the people in the plant who are putting the right things together and doing things like cleaning and sanitizing the equipment and if we can change your mindset to to recognize that and to make sure these people are are paid. well you know our Offered as many benefits possible Praised for their work You know highlighted in publicity around the company and so on that goes a long way I still recall a plant. I was at and i don't remember now. What sort of operation. It was but they made the move of putting their sanitation on first shift. In also though sanitation people came in and seven to three thirty ish kind of ours Much more conducive to health and sleep schedules and so on management was typically there during daytime hours and could see what those folks were doing And to me it and again this was probably twenty five years ago but it still resonates with me that that's a company that really valued their sanitation crew to give them basically the best kinds of conditions that could And it sent a message that that was a very very well run facility and very effective sanitation and prioritize. That that right. That's tremendous in you know as we find ourselves still In the middle of this pandemic Do you think and a lot of people have said this. But i'm curious to hear your thoughts on it that one of the silver linings of the pandemic is the emphasis on hygiene A lotta people hope that that's not something that we will soon forget that will carry it forward But do you think the emphasis on hand washing and hygiene in is here to stay. Well again. I sure hope so. And i'm a big one for for talking up the benefits that we have seen especially in light of all the tragedy that we've we've lived through you know the reality is that Our rates of other kinds of illnesses are down tremendously like influenza I just checked on the cdc site the other day and since september there have been about fifteen hundred cases and four hundred fifty deaths in the us attributed to the flu which still are a lot but in a typical year we were tens of millions of cases and tens of thousands of deaths. So something and i attribute it to our you know increase focus on hygiene but also staying away from each other You know has helped a lot. And i think if if we you know a grasp on to the fact that that those are dramatic changes and that's going to impact our public health way into the future You know. I hope the messages from the People who are in these public health communication roles and so on will focus in on this. You know closer to home related. The food Side of things There's a study out that showing in australia. The rates of norovirus are down by almost half and early data out from cdc. That i just heard summarized recently Here in the us are norovirus. Rates are down as much as eighty percent and again for an illness or an illness agent. That causes you know the majority of food borne illnesses. We're gonna see dramatic decreases in our overall rates of foodborne illness for twenty twenty I think in large part because of that increased You know hygiene. Certainly there's other factors in there. But i do think we saw benefit from hygiene. And i think if we can talk about that hopefully those messages will resonate. And then i am a glass half full kind of person and i think through covid nineteen. We have heard a lot about just taking care of each other you know. We wear masks so that we're caring for our fellow citizens and keep our distance and so on you know. I think if we can think about how that relates maybe even do food safety culture. You know in that caring for each other. It sounds a little ethereal but still Aligning net with a company's values of. Hey if we do these things we can really have big impacts I'm hopeful that that we will see a continued improvements. I've talked to some folks who said that as companies are looking to build new facilities. They're going to essentially Design them with the pandemic in mind in though half more break grooms and more spacing on the floor and it will cost them a lot more money obviously to to set up their plants this way but knowing that you know not wanting to be a pessimist but at the you know these things are here to stay We'll see more pandemics. They want to make sure that they're prepared as much as they can be going forward. So yep yep so ruth as we wrap up. Today i noticed. Also that you are president elect of af so Say i do my homework before these interviews so head to your term provided that we try and get back to normal Do you have any ideas for specific plans or projects that you'd like Afp to be focusing on in the coming year. Yeah well you know. I think through through the pandemic We did. Ifp did a diversity and inclusion council a da council. and i've been privileged to be part of those meetings and there's progress being made and i you know for sure our continued. Focus on making sure that we're recognizing diversity and being inclusive and in identifying. You know where there may be some opportunities there to be to get better. That for sure is going to continue. I think you know that will be Continued focus you know and i think as well In continuing to focus on students and shepherding them along because eventually they will replace us all There's a more formal mentoring program that's in the works right now. Called mentor match. That will hear more about as as the meeting approaches and later into this year. There's been a lot of informal mentoring through. Ifp for years. But this will just kinda that a little bit you know and i think it through it. All the members and sponsors have continued to be very supportive of ifp and the association is so grateful for that you know to promote All of these things that we've talked about what we need to do to make sure that we're still able to produce safe and wholesome food but also keeping in mind the need for more diversity and focusing on students or coming along you know the continued focus and publication of research that that really matters in focuses on these applied kinds of approaches is certainly never going to go away And if we think about it. This is the background information. That helps all these You know makers and growers and processors of food out there do that more effectively so You know i it's. It's a great time to be part of ifp. And i'm Pleased to be part of the board you know in the annual meeting is coming july. You know the reality is probably. It'll be somewhat flexible kind of format with likely some virtual components You know to monitor how. Public health sphere looks proceeding with caution but The continued focus on making sure. There's technical information available is going to happen regardless of what it might look like from a nuts and bolts perspective. Well that's a really ambitious agenda. That's great that's great. Yeah i wanna thank you so much for joining me today. It's been a pleasure speaking with you. Well it was a delight to be here and Thank you barbara for the opportunity. I really really appreciate this. Thanks again to ruth. Petrin and bob ferguson. For joining us on the podcast. Today and of course. Thanks to all of you for listening. You'll find links to all the references that we mentioned in our episodes show notes. You can access us on your podcast player or on our website at food. Safety dot com. 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World Wide Technology CTO Michael Taylor on Connecting Tech to Business Outcomes

Technovation with Peter High (CIO, CTO, CDO, CXO Interviews)

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World Wide Technology CTO Michael Taylor on Connecting Tech to Business Outcomes

"Activation i'm peter. Hi my guess. Today's michael taylor. The chief technology officer worldwide technology which is a service provider that offers technology in supply chain services to companies around the globe. The tune of fourteen billion dollars revenue annual as cto mike runs the traditional cio function global engineering and services as a team of twenty four hundred people reporting before we tower interview. I wanted to introduce you to our sponsor 's ohio and the company's president timothy cabbie prior to taking on his current role. He was the chief. Information officer of a number of companies including reliance industries sears. Entr exxon and the warehouse group. He's now it 's ohio. Most unusual enterprise software company and wanted to share some perspectives from it timothy. Take it away. Yes peter even before. Kobe hit most savvy private equity businesses. Were looking for recession proof. Companies as their targets or businesses that are thriving in the fourth industrial revolution. Meaning those that are blurring the lines between physical digital and biologicals fears ryozo our position to help blur the physical and digital divide. Beat serving your customers. We provide marketing sales and support solutions. Or running your operations we provide. Hr and finance tools or empowering your people be proud powerful business intelligence collaboration and communication tools or for building differentiation. We provide business process optimization low code inaugural platforms to deliver apps. Foster learn more on. How zohar enable ceos to drive in the foot. Industrial revolution at soho dot com. Thanks timothy and now onto the interview. Mike great to see you today. Yep good see as well looking forward to the conversation likewise while i appreciate you taking time for it mike. Let's begin with worldwide technology for those people who might be less familiar with. It gives us a thumbnail. Sketch of the business. Please sure we are a global technology solutions provider where privately held our founders are still both involved in the business with a our ceo. Jim cavanaugh running running organization. We have Over seventy five hundred employees globally our primary centers of operation on the united states a mea asia pacific offices. And we really sit. Peter i'd say in in the mix related to discrete technology. Transformation customers going through digital transformation is a big part of our business in what we're doing this Approach to multi cloud technologies and architectures is a big area and then security overall is. I'm sure you in in many listeners are aware just omnipresence in almost anything. We're doing In our position in the market really is we're bringing a perspective that spans the established on premise technology providers with the public cloud providers end even a mix of of new and emerging startups out of the private equity ecosystems in the bay area and beyond to help our customers stitch together architectures solutions and fundamentally outcomes that are going to impact their business and and it's been an exciting ride for me certainly at worldwide and then in the technology ecosystem overall. There's there's no shortage of fun change in innovation to keep up with mike you've been with the company for more than two decades and roughly two thirds of the time the company's been existence. I can only imagine the growth that you've seen as well as the evolution of your offering as i'm sure that that has dovetailed with the dramatic change in the technology landscape across the past couple of decades. I wonder if you could take a moment in reflect upon all that growth in all of that change believe it or not Yep started as an intern. And at the time i think the company was a couple of hundred people You know i would. I really found interesting about what we were doing was one. Just you know this was kinda back in the dot com era and all the craziness that you saw the markets and along with technology startups but probably more than anything that to me was really Seemed to be the advent of the impact. Technology could have on business an consumerization and the connectedness between the these large organizations and the preferences a of a particular person as an example and so really following that trend and in evolving worldwide. From at the time of the predominant portions of our business were around selling reselling technology products into the telecommunications in federal a federal spaces to beginning those stages imagining what services and capabilities. We might be able to wrap around as well as as superior general which this could be a whole podcast in and of itself but the use cases and the transfer ability of use cases across industry from a technology perspective. Something we felt a responsibility to start bringing forward to the market to our customers and it's been an exciting ride from from the late late nineties. you know through through the dot com bubble and financial crisis two thousand seven to covert even in this year Managing through that but You know really excited to a found this company and and We'll talk more about it as we get into it. But i think you know in particular in the times of uncertainty the value of of a strong culture inside of an organization one that not just permits innovation but encourages it. I think are are some of the elements that have kept me energized over the years and excited about the next ten plus can offer very interesting. Well i mentioned at the outset. Of course you're the chief technology officer and that's a role that means so many different things in so many different organizations yours is quite a strategic role you've got the cio the reports into into you. And so some of the traditional it functions that others would be familiar with. You have a global engineering team. You're on the services business. I believe you have roughly two twenty four hundred people reporting to you. If i recall a prior conversations we've had so it's enormous scale in terms of your organization. Talk a bit about If you get out a little more color to the purview of what. I've just described at appreciate it. Sure and i would say one. One advantage You know i certainly feel. Blessed to have had is is to be working in technology for a technology company You know it doesn't take much for me to explain to our ceo to our board and our executive team. The important technology can play in helping transform and grow accompany. You know. i've certainly had that advantage. I think the vision around the role that i play with the company is if you think about it. Technology systems that we use to run operate our company again a global operation fourteen billion in revenue that in and of itself you gain unique perspectives on. What's working and as much you know. I'll keep talking about you. Know the technology side but so much of this is is cliche but uneven balance a people process and technology and more. So you know the people in process side of this is where i'm spending more of my time along with our teams and even even how worldwide interfaces with our customers but you ability to see how technologies consumed operationalized in in in the role of cio and and that function all the way through some of the innovation and activities at. We're trying out in our advanced technology center where we're taking established on premise technology with emerging startups including public cloud platforms application development data science. You know we think of that as as the playground if you will but not for the purposes of trying things out and kind of moving onto what's next but really taking those learnings in those in our advanced technology center the lab capabilities that we we constructed there and in determining how applicable are these things to the general markets that we serve and that could be within a fortune fifty company it could be you know across industries banking healthcare energy manufacturing Trying to give and in the phrase. I always used with with With our teams. Peter is you know. How do we get from from the art of the possible to the art of the probable in reduced the number of permutations that we might encounter as technology's changing in and around us. That's what our advanced technology center. Labs help us do all the way then through bringing those things to life for a customer and you know the model we've started using internally worldwide and even a bit externally in the market. Is you know we're out to help. Make new world happen in escalate. Our viewpoint from just technology outcomes to impacts that we can drive you know in an organization's relationship with their customer to You know you. You talked to a lot if you talk to more people than i do. Probably peter i'd say one thing that that everyone you know in their role is looking to do motivated folks are looking to move to higher orders of work. They want to eliminate mundane repeatable tasks. And you see that through digital assistant to could go and and and us to try to better organize your calendar things like that all the way to predictive maintenance on heavy equipment that we might be working with the customer but the introduction of digital digital technologies mindsets along with data science is just a pattern that we see being repeated over and over again out in the market and it's it's an evolving space. You've got to experiment. They're a little bit. Do some trial and error with the established in the startup communities to figure out solutions. That are gonna work for our customers. So i get to see an end to end from the good bad and the ugly of what we operate to the innovation. Those teams drive To you know how we're helping our customers achieve. Some of those same outcomes in a lot of your customers are your appears. The technology leaders in their own companies as well mike and so i talk a bit about You know you're not. You're not a sales person per se but you're a. You're a very interesting advocate inasmuch as you're doing a lot of the things that they are their companies while also being a representative of a company that they might engage with. Talk a bit about that. That level of partnership if you would yet i. It's a great a great question. A great point. I think one thing you would hear me say you know to to the teams to our customers. You know no one wants to be sold to you. Know i mean they really. Don't i think the the approach that we're taking in that i take even some of the events feeder. I'll see you attending is you know. I'm in a room with individuals that are both our customers and our peers and so might take there is. I'm not there to to sell anything. I'm there to learn Learn from what other other individuals and teams are doing But at the end of the day. I don't think people wanna be wanna be sold. I think they wanna be advised and they want to learn about what other people are doing. And in if i bring something to light there or my teams are worldwide in general that is new different or at a minimum just informing a strategy that they may already have in motion. I think that's how you build relationships. And i think that's how you build credibility with people So yeah you. Wouldn't i think if you if you knew me or or the folks listening if they knew very well they certainly say i wouldn't be the most savvy of salesperson's i'll tear interacting with a customer. But i do try to bring credibility In in back that up you know with some experience that we've had in our labs with other customers. Or even as i mentioned before some of the internal systems and things that we use to run worldwide as a company. Appreciate you sharing that talk a bit about the strategy you in the team or operating against now you lose some of the areas in which you're you're involved in some of the topics that are of greatest interest to to your peers and customers and other organizations but i'd love to have you add a little more detail to some of the areas that are of at the top of your priority list now. Sure i'll start to two themes that i think about as it relates to Investments that we're making time that we're spending thinking about things and and and solution development the first is you know we. We want to be an connect technology to business or it outcomes. I mean fundamentally. We want to help our customers. our partners. Better advocate advocate for the use of technology in delivering some material benefit to the company. And that could be as interesting as a new digital channels using web mobile that sort of sort of thing to providing a more reliable or integrated service to the employees that provide a service to their customers. Streamlining a sales process Integrating systems to reduce manual work amongst disparate organizations within a company. All of those things connecting technology to those business outcomes is is critically important for us and challenge our teams every day. Are you thinking about what you're doing and the impact and outcome that that that can have on the business. I think of You know daniel pink's book mission purpose. People want to know why they're doing something and the really good people wanna know what sort of impact that i have and i think it's critically important. We connect those dots. The other element that that were more and more involved in is this idea of digital and physical and connecting these digital and physical worlds. And you know some of the challenges in the market that create opportunities for a company like worldwide. Or you know I'll use hyper location right. We work with customers around. How do you. How do you provide hyper location inside of a grocery store or inside of a retail space Now adapting those concepts to figure out what sort of distance in safety tracking could we provide as it relates to a pandemic and exposure and contact tracing. But you know you really have to take time to instrument a system. That's going to give you that level of detail in terms of individuals proximity. But then you have to take all that data and you have to digitize that to you know to a map a set of outputs or intelligence that drive behaviors within a customer so connecting those digital and physical worlds together in in data being an underlay of all of that is is a huge area of investment for us so connection to those outcomes digital physical and Those two worlds really colliding are big areas of focus for us. And then the last thing i'll say is just leave you our responsibility to to connect the creation of the strategy to achieve those outcomes. I talked about connecting the strategy to the delivery. Because we feel like there's just a need in the market between what i'll call. The you know the fifty page white paper and the outcome. The that that shows up on a balance sheet for a company and were disintermediating. I think that mark it a bit to say you know. How do we connect those two things together and you know. Hold ourselves along with the customers and partners. Were working with accountable. Those outcomes through the list creation strategy and a delivery of those results very interesting. I appreciate you sharing each of those. I know another area that you in the broader team have been thinking about is Deny diversity and inclusion. And i i wonder if you can kind of reflect especially in a year in the past year in which it has come into focus for a variety of unfortunate reasons but perhaps with some silver linings for some of the changes that organizations are undertaking as a result of it. Talk a bit about some of your perspectives in the way in which Worldwide technology is is thinking about making advances from deny perspective. You bet and yet. So i would start with you. I talked about Our founders days stored in jim cavanaugh. we Dave is an african american man Help start the company Back or thirty one years now almost in a month or two. We'll be at thirty one years of the company so being a privately held and minority owned business. I think we had. Diversity inclusion is something we had been thinking about whether that's the employees that were hiring individuals that were developing inside the company as importantly the partnerships that we establish with with other minority owned businesses What has been something that we've been focused on from the beginning you know. And and based on on on how we were founded. Frankly the the unique part of this. I'd say area peter. Being a bit vulnerable in the discussion ear would be an area. I've learned a great deal about over. The last twelve to fourteen. Months is getting to know and understand the perspectives of the employees that we have inside a worldwide and the experiences that they have had prior to come into worldwide in the experiences that they they have while they're at the company to inform what we ought to be thinking about in doing as an executive leadership team and following. The i'd say the the unrest particular in late may and early june. We started having listening tours and we started this off with every executive Within the company had set up time with at the time black employees and their organization the just reach out in touch base on. How are they feeling. What are they hearing. What do they think we should be doing to support not just employees but the communities that they lived in work And i can tell you that those were not easy conversations one. I give our employees a lot of credit for the fortitude. That they had you know wanted to just come in and share those ideas and speak freely I think we learned a lot as a company in terms of things that that we could be doing You know to to take what i think are really good hocus programs and make them even better and a couple of our key observations. There were one. We're still doing listening to today so we we haven't stopped that open communication and while it seems like a no brainer Every mom we have four or five of these executives are hosting to keep in touch with our employees on both the diversity inclusion topics as well as you know. I'll say kobe and work from home. You know Stress that the that the teams might be under but for us. It's it's it was about getting more focused with all the organizations that we were supporting and operationalizing how we could better recruit into our company diverse talent and i mentioned i think earlier. You know we're headquartered in saint louis That said more than half of our employees are somewhere else in the world. You know there are so. And i think the advent of remote work has allowed us more freedom. Frankly to pursue talent diverse talent in particular in other areas in geographies rather than you know our centers in new york or saint louis sir or or phoenix northern california. That's opened up an aperture to us. But i would say the first step that we took this having a meaningful impact on on our people our diversity and you know the the communities that we live and work in is partnering with programs that help develop skill sets in technology focused on that outreach into diverse communities and then bringing bringing those individuals onto to wwe. excellent. I also wanted to ask you a bow in referencing the the the past year and and the many learnings from it. I wonder what reflections you have in. What changes you see. A foot with regard to the future of work and how work is being done. You mentioned half your staffer in saint louis where you're headquartered the other half around the around the world and other places Do you foresee a different way of working in the future than let's say january of twenty twenty before the the quarantine the pandemic and the currency began in earnest. Here in the us. I do. i think You know Again cliche. I think you know new normal or you know. I'll hear people asking a winter. Things going back to normal i. I don't think they're going back. I think that You know our findings we've surveyed. Are everyone you know. We've surveyed our employees. I mentioned the town halls that were doing to get feedback You know what what i hear. In our thought processes an executive team is to err on the side of flexibility and empower our people with choice right. And what i've heard you know. And this is where i think you know from from the deny perspective from a perspective of covert and work from home future work so many of these things are individualized down to a person's particular. You know circumstance could be you know both them their family other obligations that they have You know their risk profile. I you know what how do they. How do they think about risk. In and And then i think also just a personality introverted extroverted. You know all those things that come into play here our position back to our employees. We want to offer choice. Flexibility in choice i and what we see predominantly in that survey data is most people. I think it was eighty percent plus. I don't remember the exact staff. And i know it was above. Eighty eighty percent plus of our employees will be working from home or remotely more frequent. We believe that to be true. The second element that i would say is we still have a group of Of our employees who want to come into an office and those reasons vary right could be You know their their their home situation. We have you know Early in career employees that live in and around metropolitan cities their room. They're sharing rant of they're rooming with somebody and it's not effective for three or four of them to be you know in in a in a in a new york city apartment all day working together so We want to again. Offer that flexibility To our employees. And say everybody's circumstances going to be a little bit different here are some parameters we could set out around you know dedicated space versus shared but overall overall i think it's going to be a predominantly more remote workforce in the future for us. Make sense appreciate you sharing those perspectives. You mentioned earlier that the first several times. It seems like we mad were at gatherings of. Cto's as well as a venture capital events centered around you know insights around the portfolio companies. That were that the the the bbc's were invested in these sorts of things. You're clearly somebody who's very immersed in the broader technology ecosystem talk a bit about how you think about curator on ecosystem to make sure that you are regularly updated and cognizant of the evolution the technology the technology is is taking and its implications to you into your company. Sure yeah and i think again. I i feel very fortunate to be intact for a tech company We get to work with some of the. You know the coolest most innovative companies in the world. And you know you. You've seen some of that firsthand At some of the Showcases that we we've attended bumped into each other with You know i think of this in its most basic form. I try to manage a third of my time with my team. A third of my time with our customers and the third of our time on my time with with our partners and those partners are You know you think about anything. From the largest most established you know technology providers to the public cloud providers to you know some of the the startup communities are out there Disrupting it's a as you can attest it's a small smaller than you think. In technology in terms of you know groups and teams that moved from some of the bigger companies to the startups. in this. Start up to that startup. But i think the balance of those three perspectives. What our teams are doing to innovate in our labs when our customers are doing. Innovate drive value in their business. Then that partner ecosystem it just afford at least three different lenses to kinda how organizations are thinking about a disruption thinking about digitizing their businesses connecting technology with those balance-sheet outcomes that was referring to earlier as well as challenge. I think my traditional thinking as a as a technologist on what what is possible. Where are some of where some of these things going I think you know we we would all say a is here here to stay Is it is a completely artificial versus augmenting. Humans to be determined absolutely the The methods that we can apply to these large sources of data and the outcomes in suggestions if anything else that we can provide to clinicians financial advisors You know individuals that are working call centers or service tasks we just see over and over that you know. It's providing speed efficiency. And as i mentioned earlier as important you know it's it's elevating the level of work and the type of work that people are doing and they get more inspired about that. They feel they feel better about providing being connected to those outcomes versus. You know things that we can automate You know in the spirit of efficiency and leading people the higher orders work. So it's a fascinating time and i'm sure it's only gonna get more fascinating is as we continue to run. No doubt so beginning very interesting. I love the way you framed that third third third between the team customers and with partner is obviously. You've got a great network that you are tapping frequently to understand trends on the rise and their application potentially to worldwide technology. You mentioned several of them. As you've talked about your priorities. But i wanted to eat here towards the close of our conversation to ask you about as you look to the future. Say a few years out. What other trends excite you I think the relationship you know the the be relationship for our customers evolving to everybody wants to be to see relationship. You know everybody. You know our our distribution partners are our clinical systems are hospital systems. Everyone's looking at. How do they take the technology that they have. And maybe methods that you would normally attribute to You know a customer loyalty program or personalization around you know even asked us to order your lunch as an example more and more whether it's health care manufacturing Energy all the financial services. Certainly everyone is looking to figure out how they get closer to their customers. They want to own more of that relationship and you know. I think that that's a trend that we're going to see. Continue into the future. Just digitizing that interaction and offering customers more choice as it relates to how they interact with With with the companies that they do business with. I think that trend is gonna continue to move forward and i think a lot of ways copays accelerated. That certainly You know in terms of remote anything that we see going on whether it's door dash or as sophisticated as telemedicine. Those things are happening at a greater rate since feeds. And you see a lot of companies worldwide included participating. And how. that's going to play out. The second i really point to is. Is this a of application. I'll say application architecture. But runtime instances for applications and and and this move to edge computing hitting workloads getting a computation closer to the consumer and we debate this internally at times fiercely peter on so so in one sense you'd think five g. and the connectivity speeds at five g. provides would potentially reduce the use case for edge. But we're not seeing that at all where we're seeing the the edge strategy whether it's an on premise whether it's leaning into the public cloud providers and what they offer in terms of solutions that sit externally their data centers edge and imagining what we can do together at the edge For the purposes of business technology patient sort of outcomes. I think is something that is is going to continue to charge charge forward and the last one. I'll i could probably go through twenty these but these are the ones i really think about. Every day. The data side of this and the maturity of You know whether it's artificial intelligence or augmented intelligence that were applying to To human beings. I think is going to be just a powerful trend for the next ten years and it could be as simple as how do we make your you know your call center experience with your internet service provider. The next time you call them. How do we make that a lot. More comfortable and beneficial to you to Machines algorithms and data that are that are augmenting. medical devices Doctors nurses and and procedures that they're providing for their patients in hospitals and then just everything between But but i don't talk to a customer really ever without some discussion around. How do i better leverage the data. That i have to improve the efficiency my organization and better define refine the strategies that were were using to grow our company. Our business trends to highlight certainly mike. Well mike taylor thank you so much for joining me on techno vacation today. A great conversation. Valletta your company. It's remarkable growth growth responsibilities at the same time across a couple of decades with the company areas. That you're focused on the collaborations that you forged and the insights you've drawn from from those collaborations It's been a great conversation. It has always good to see you. Thank you so much mike.

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"The world and everything is made possible by listeners. Like us i'm tom. Wallison retired army officer. Living in maryland while sent schoolteacher in we are joined by and our grandkids. Visiting us from callus bell montana. We enjoyed today's program good morning. Us troops are gone from afghanistan. Evacuations have ended. President biden defends the manner of the withdrawal but republicans want answers. That's ahead on washington wednesday also today world tour plus courts that specialize in helping people trying to overcome addiction. Marijuana is a gateway drug. It leads to other drugs. I did my first hard drove when i was nineteen cocaine and world founder joel bells on forty years of journalism grounded in biblical worldview. It's wednesday september. I this is the world and everything in it from listener supported world radio. I'm mary and i'm nick. Eicher good morning time now. For the news with kent covington president biden addressed the nation from the white house on tuesday mounting. His most forceful defense yet of his decision to withdraw from afghanistan and the nature of that exit. I was not going to extend this forever war and hours not extending a forever. Exit e called the us air lift to extract more than a hundred and twenty thousand afghans americans and other allies and extraordinary success that despite a deadly attack last week that claims the lives of thirteen u. s. troops in nearly a hundred and seventy afghans at many americans allies left behind biden said many of the americans stranded enough ghanistan are dual citizens and added that quote ninety percent of americans who wanted to leave. Were able to leave. But gop congressman. Jim banks was fg. Ghanistan war veteran said the acceptable percentage is one hundred percent. Why would any administration. Why would any president commander in chief leave. Any american behind never happened before this has never happened before in american history. The mission like this would be so botched. President biden said his administration has not given up on the americans left behind any signaled a newfound trust in the taliban. The taliban has made public commitments broadcast on television. And radio across afghanistan on safe passage anyone wanting to leave including those who worked alongside americans though he added that he will not simply take telephones word for it as for the decision to withdraw from afghanistan. The president said it was time. He argued that the al qaeda network that carried out the nine eleven attacks has been vastly diminished but congressman. Mike waltz also and afghanistan were veteran said. The president's actions will allow al qaeda and other terrorist groups to gather strength al qaeda and the taliban are married at the hip al qaeda fully intends to regroup and to attack the west again and now they have an entire country to deal with an arsenal american weaponry to do it. With on tuesday video footage emerged appeared to show and al qaeda leader coming out of hiding and arriving at his home province in afghanistan to some fanfare before parents shows osama bin laden's former security chief amino l. hawk arriving in nangarhar province as people gathered around his vehicle to greet him republican lawmakers on tuesday said they will demand answers over the handling of the afghanistan with hundreds of thousands of louisianans sweltered in the aftermath of hurricane ida on tuesday with no electricity. No tap water in no end in sight to the misery. Governor john bel edwards. We're asking people to be patient. We're asking people to be careful and please be good. Neighbors check on that elderly couple who live across the street from you long. Lines that wrapped around the block formed at the few gas stations. That actually had fuel and generator power to puppet. People cleared rotting food out of refrigerators and neighbors shared generators and borrowed buckets of swimming pool. Water to bathe or to flush toilets and new orleans officials announced seven air conditioned places around the city where people can go to get a meal and cool off and new orleans mayor royal cantrell said seventy busses will serve the same purpose. This is A great use of our assets particularly buses that could be used as cooling centers and deployed again strategically throughout the city of new orleans governor edwards said that state officials likewise are working to set up places to distribute food water and ice hurricane ida knocked out power to more than a million homes and businesses on sunday and the storm is now blamed for at least four deaths that after two people died late monday after the storm collapsed a section of rural two lane highway in mississippi a huge firefighting force gathered tuesday to defend lake tahoe from a raging wildfire that after officials ordered a massive accusation of the south lake. Tahoe cal. Fire spokesman dominic police though. It was a bit chaotic. But everyone got out of where they needed to get out and we didn't have to deal with neighborhoods. There were still people so successful. The streets of the popular vacation hotspot normally filled with thousands of summer. Tourists were all but deserted as the kaldor fire closed in california. Governor gavin newsom told reporters on tuesday. We continue to battle data fire about one hundred ninety two thousand acres sixteen percent contained thick. Smoke prevented air firefighting operations periodically last week. But since then twenty. Three helicopters and three air tankers have dumped thousands of gallons of water and retardant on the blaze the gop controlled texas legislature. Passed a broad overhaul of the state's election laws on tuesday after a bitter battle with democratic lawmakers world's kristen flavin reports governor greg. Abbott said he will sign the bill that lawmakers sent to his desk yesterday. The republican governor issued a statement minutes. After the bill passed saying the bill will quote solidify trust and confidence in the outcome of our elections by making it easier to vote and harder to cheat but democrats fought the legislation for months arguing. The bill was tailored to make it harder for young people and minorities all democratic leaning voters to cast ballots. A group of democrats even fled the state taking a private jet to washington to deny the house. The corum needed to conduct business. They succeeded in delaying but not preventing its passage. The house passed senate bill. One on tuesday on a vote of eighty two forty one reporting for world. I'm kristen flavin. And i'm ken. Covington straight ahead. Now that the evacuation has halted. What's next for afghanistan. This is the world and everything in it. It's wednesday the first day of september. Twenty twenty one glad to have you along for today's edition of the world and everything in it. Good morning. i'm mary record. And i'm nick eiger first up today. What's next for afghanistan. And the united states with american troops gone and the evacuation of american citizens and allies halted. Now what what about. Us citizens and allies left stranded in afghanistan. What's next for them. As we reported a short time ago. Republicans on capitol hill are demanding. Answers they say the next step should be a thorough investigation whether that will happen remains to be seen joining us now to provide more insight is james carroll fano. He's an expert on national security and foreign policy. The heritage foundation is a retired lieutenant. Colonel in the us army and he formerly served on the homeland security. Advisory council colonel. Good morning to be with you. Well the white house and the pentagon have pulled the plug on the evacuation in afghanistan but the biden administration officials say that they still have a range of tools to help get american citizens out of that country. What might those tools be. And do you think we'll be able to evacuate more americans and potentially more afghan allies. We have very little leverage. The argument that we do is almost of warriors on being the lie. We don't have a lot that the taliban needs they don't really need international recognition. They already have. Other countries that are willing to work with russia china pakistan. They don't really need money per se because the world's biggest drug traffickers in south asia so lovers is is very and you can actually see that and so for example if you look at the the surrounding countries to stand like who's pakistan. They've closed their borders. And we'd ask them to keep them open and they said no because they're more worried about angering the taliban than they are about working with us so we have very little leverage. Most americans quite honestly are on their own. So there's a combination of really kind of private efforts. There people running around trying to set up rat lines underground railroad out. It's incredibly difficult because right now there's no way to fly out. Most of the borders are closed. Probably maybe get out iran or pakistan. But it's very very dangerous of the taliban actually controlling the borders. The taliban promised to reopen the airport. Of course that won't be commercial flights but governments might be able to send military charter flights but the question is what people trust the taliban to go to the airport and let them in the taliban say they will but I've the people tell me the taliban going door to door telling people don't worry everything's gonna be fine and the other half are saying the taliban going door to door and they're hunting people down and they're gonna kill him. President biden on tuesday once again stood by his decision to withdraw american troops when he did the defense by the white house seems to be that the withdrawal was destined to be messy whenever the united states. Eventually pulled out regardless of the timing. What do you say to that well. It's a lot. So here's the plan plan was they. Were gonna get the country to the taliban and they thought they were. They were broker talks between guinea and the taliban to turn the country over and that we would walk out the door and after we left the taliban role in and say well. It didn't happen on my watch. It's not my fault. Getty got cold feet and bolted of the united states. Centrally had a no plan plant because the idea that we told people we were leaving. Wd defend all those decisions. So we didn't coordinate with allies. We didn't register people for visas. We didn't have the forces in place to safely evacuate so we thought we'd just walk away and then the taliban would wait until we were god because there was no deal with gani and people just started cutting deals with the taliban they collapse. They rolled into the country. And so we wound up in a situation where we were leaving and we were completely at the mercy of the taliban to get people out. We had a completely inadequate planned to actually evacuate people. So the reality is this is one hundred percent. The president's decision and the chaos was caused by how the president decided to leave afghanistan. Kernel that the better part of a hundred retired generals and other officers just penned a letter calling on defense secretary. Lloyd austin and joint chiefs of staff chairman general mark milley to resign for quote negligence in performing their duties with regard to the afghanistan withdrawal. I can imagine what your take on that is. Do you think that they were just following. Orders from the commander in chief or do you think they also bear responsibility for this. Well i do think they bear some responsibility. But this is fundamentally biden's decision how he decided to withdraw not having the forces in country to do that responsibly. Not having the plan to support the afghan military not having a workable political transition. Those were all the president's decision and the military were left with the consequences of that so for example the president would not allow them to send an additional forces. therefore they didn't have. There's only two airfields boggling airfield and the commercial airfield. And then there's the embassy they didn't have sufficient forces to safeguard all three. The president would not let them put more forces in there to do that so they had to make a choice so that essentially just wind up defending mayor field put them a completely at the mercy of the taliban and then we had a bringing more forces to do that having said that i do think that they bear some responsibility. This is why. I have called for a nine eleven style commission. If you know this administration says they did everything exactly right. Well if that's true then they should be the first people to stand up and say yes. Let's have a non-partisan investigation and look at this and it's important. It's not just important for politics playing a blame game. We need to understand what happened where we are. What's the threat going forward and what to do about it. If you remember back to nine eleven commission that was under a republican president. Who had nine eleven happened on their watch and a republican controlled congress and they were happy to have an independent commission because they said we need to be transparent about what we're doing and we need to know what's going on so we can make decisions on the court and people remember after nine. Eleven commission made a lot of changes. Speaker pelosi actually introduced a bill to implement the findings of the nine eleven commission so commissions are completely approprate with dramatic things like this happen. They are assessments. Nut reciting political blame. They're helping us understand what happened. Why providing transparency in governance and starting on the right way forward and i think that would be an incredibly positive and constructive step for this administration. Take explain the talibans relationship to al qaeda. What are the odds that afghanistan becomes a haven again for terrorist training and plotting and carries out another attack. Well i mean everybody including the. Us government thinks that afghanistan has become a haven for transnational terrorist. Yet another is. A group called isis k. It's an offshoot of the isis. If we remember back from syria and rock they had ten organizations all around the world. One of them was in afghanistan. they're not necessarily the best friends with the taliban right now. They're kind of useful idiots because on the one hand the taliban can turn the american say. Oh you need us to fight isis k. But on the other hand they're probably happy that that isis attack americans in help drivers out of the country. The real threat. There is something called the connie network. This is a group terrorists. Criminal group that spans afghanistan and pakistan they. They intimately cooperate with the pakistan intelligence services. There were the ones that originally brought bin laden to afghanistan and ask the taliban host him they have very close ties with al qaeda. The senior leaderships being hosted in iran. They're probably going to move back into afghanistan both Connie al-qaeda share the goal of a global campaign against the government's the middle east and their supporters in the west back global. Terrorism is vital for them. The first thing they're going to do is start planning the next nine eleven taliban or going to tolerate these people and then they're i'm sure there are less fearful that if something happens anybody's gonna come back and try to kick the taliban out again. So i think the potential for renewed global terrorist campaign against the united states is incredibly high. It's not just afghanistan. We're absolutely certain there will be a terrorist sanctuary. The the fact that the taliban inflicted humiliating withdrawal on the united states will be a clarion call to islamist worldwide. To live bin. Laden's during that america's a paper tiger to rise up and strike them and seal a victory the way the taliban did so. I think we've got to worry about this on multiple fronts. Final question here colonel. The white house claims they have capabilities now that they didn't have twenty years ago and have the ability to monitor counter. Terrorism threats from quote over the horizon. What's your response to that. I think it's largely ally. We have no place where anybody is really going to let us face to have real time operational capabilities in theater. You can send a drone from over the horizon. The best case will take eight or nine hours to get there. The ability to maintain assets a rotating basis over the country's incredibly expensive got very few intel assets on the ground. I actually think we have less capability to what's going on in aghanistan today after we often the country than we did when bill clinton was present. Nine hundred ninety s blindly lobbying cruise missiles at a al qaeda. Whether we're planning the next nine eleven retired lieutenant. Colonel james cara final with the heritage foundation has been our guest colonel. Thanks for your insight. Thanks for having me. Additional support comes from door to university ranked number one in the nation for student. Engagement by the wall street journal door informs inspires and challenges students more at d. o. R. d. t. dot edu and from the missions on point podcast. Fifteen minutes every friday. Re-energizing your vision for world missions through the local church missions on point available. Wherever you get your podcasts coming up next on the world and everything in it world tour with our reporter in africa onis ao. He kerry we start today here in africa. Violence against christians in central nigeria has escalated in the last month. The region is rife with intercommunal clashes between ethnic muslim fulani herdsmen and predominantly christian farmers attacks by herdsmen driving the farmers from their land. This man has resorted supplant in small crop on a public riverbank. Jonasson displease. You see these money to feed my family Managed to this me's so many farmers are fleeing from their land that it's driving up the cost of food across nigeria. In the first three weeks of august suspected hurts men killed at least seventy christians displaced more than thirty thousand others and burn five hundred homes in town in northern plateau state. The government gomez spots is. Your trump provides a jewish divorce. So can go back to our farms. 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And he's definitely too young to pilot one of those balloons but that hasn't stopped him balloon. Pilot dave roberts says hamish is more than capable. He's as good as won about chief grew he. You really helps out a lot. Definitely with us yep. As soon as he gets the gets. He's collison balloon lessons he can. He can work with us for sure. So how young is he. Eleven eleven years old so right now hamish is working with no pay and for him. It's not a job anyway. It's a passion and that passion began a long time ago turn. My parents took me to the camera festival. And i tell them from that so by the time he has his license he'll already have quite the resume as of now he's made more than one hundred twenty flights. It's the world everything. Today is wednesday september. I thank you for turning to world radio to help start your day. good morning. i'm nick. And i mary writer coming next on the world and everything in it drug addiction about one in ten americans has some sort of substance abuse problem and the connection to crime is undeniable. Treatment courts are a proven means of leading addicts out of the justice system and into lives of recovery instability. World senior correspondent. Kim henderson recently studied the drug courts up close for an article in the current issue of our sister publication world magazine and she brings us this report. Drug addiction loves variety. Was you know using marijuana heavily. I was addicted to methamphetamines. Crystal after she was born. That's when i got introduced to crack. Cocaine diction was marijuana listener. Genyk drugs mushrooms acid. Lsd and donald trip to mean was the last one started out with paying bills years ago. and then ended up with math. I was using a needle and shooting. I mean hiding it from everyone. Try and that's pretty much. The story of everyone's standing here in line at the fourteenth circuit drug court in mccomb mississippi. They were addicted. Tried to hide it and got caught. Drug court is really a program not a place. They vary in how they operate. But here's the drill. Goes like this. An addict gets arrested for a non violent felony. They offer the offender the chance to get out of jail and get treatment through drug court. They'll have to work job. Pay their fines. Attend weekly court dates. Take part in group therapy but they get to stay out of jail while they're doing it and if they complete the four treatment phases there felony will be expunged and in the best cases. Participants kick their habits. Long term. sobriety is goal. Oh and there's another component of drug court random drug screenings as to in three every day at four o'clock truly every day. Participants listened to a recorded message. It tells them if they must report for a drug test that evening. This night it's ago drug court. Participants arrive at the offices of the program and prepared to give urine samples probation officers. Keep the line moving. Quick that's drug court coordinator. John douglas at forty seven. He's had a long career in law enforcement. And every bit of it has involved drugs keeping them off the streets catching dealers and now rehabilitating addicts system aware with test teams advances the sample. And then there's a barcode reader that douglas job involves screening. They have an impressive machine. That hums and rattles performs close to ten thousand drug test panels each month. They'll test for about ten drugs tonight and within fifteen minutes. They'll know if any samples test hot helping. Someone beat a drug addiction. Takes time money human resources. Douglas points out. The stakes are incredibly high. Recently he was processing a young man to begin drug court the next day. You gotta check. You got a stimulus check. And that night he cash that check and he went and spent it on heroin and he overdosed and he died and he never got to be in court. Douglas acknowledges the drug problem is epidemic is funded for two hundred participants. They're currently running at one. Hundred twenty percent capacity. Rachel williams is on their roles. Marijuana is a gateway drug. It leads you to other drugs more. You know more harder drugs which is exactly what happened to williams. I did my first hard-drug when i was nineteen cocaine. That one experience hooked her and later landed her in jail she opted for drug court growed corps. Linda kelly is now in session on monday. Mornings participants like williams come to their local courthouse for a one on one with judge. Mike taylor they have to prove their attending and approved form of therapy that they're working job passing their drug test and fulfilling other program requirements. A woman approaches the bench and the judge asked if she's pay fines. In another instance. The judge gives praise were praises. Do participants average about four years in this program. That's a drawback for some would-be participants and for many states. That cap funding for their drug court said eighteen months but judge taylor thinks the length of treatment is key because if all we do is keep them sober for eighteen months or two years. That's a good thing. That's not a bad thing. That's a huge accomplishment. But we're right back where we started and and what this is designed to do is to break that cycle. Lots of participants fail at breaking the cycle but some succeed back at the office john. Douglas considers a question about how we're doing in the war against drugs. keeping has a good comeback. I don't know. I know where we're at on the war against drugs with rachel williams. She graduated reporting for world. I'm cam henderson. In south mississippi today is wednesday september. 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The Central Cee Interview: Blowing Up During COVID, West London Upbringing, Drake & Big Sean CoSigns

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The Central Cee Interview: Blowing Up During COVID, West London Upbringing, Drake & Big Sean CoSigns

"Hey guys so we got some news we will no longer be posting are full length. Podcasts here on the apple. Podcast app spotify wherever. You're listening to this right now. Instead we're going to be posted in the first half hour of the episodes here for you guys to listen to but the full version will be available on either. Our youtube channel four free. Yes you can still watch and listen for free on the youtube app or you can join our brand new patriot and spend ten dollars a month to get the full episodes before they're posted on youtube free of ads. You can listen to the audio on the patriot app or you can actually get a link from the patriot app and add the link to the apple. Podcast app spotify wherever you're listening and listen to our stuff through the same that you're using right now in terms of why we're making this decision. We are expanding the business a lot right now and it just doesn't really make any sense for us to keep giving away this content for free to services like spotify. We're making money off of our content without giving us anything in return so by either listening to our content on youtube for free and watching the ads or pain the ten bucks a month to listen to be a patron. You're helping us take no jumper to the next level. Enjoy this episode. No jumper coolest podcast world today. We got probably the hottest rapper out. The uk right now. Probably not probably the central in the building. You feel me feeling good bro. Yeah i first interview. Yeah to be fair. Because i feel if it was okay because this is my take on you is that you seem like kind of a viral marketing genius on top of the music stuff. Yeah maybe maybe i do. I do like the a lot of business either. Things do the marketing side of things. Maybe more so than the music sometimes. So maybe that explains why you see things going variable and shit right. That's interesting. Because like when i was watching you know english youtubers who've made videos value come up and stuff that's one thing that i kind of saw over and over is that people seem like they were kind of in awe of how well you sorta executed this whole rollout. That realistically has probably been happening for like less than a year. now it was only a year ago. I Sung that picked up years prior to that i was making music but it just didn't. It didn't happen to really pick out from so a year ago. Started going crazy. Adopted tape him this year And that's what everybody liked. Appreciated the market and for we didn't really do too much like in my head a lot more ideas. We'll go a lot more in stock but They appreciate it nevertheless right. I was grateful for that. I mean it's interesting because like you feel like a lotta times. The music industry's kind of addicted to new shit. And they don't want to embrace somebody who's been grinding for years. You've got videos from years and years ago on youtube freestyle and all this shit and it's interesting that you were able to sort of reinvent yourself and that the audience would actually react to it so well. No you're right you're right for. I was not really china I still don't try to push a normal us on a new thing. I'm i'm trying to always push the foot of the future. Guess part yeah hide in the for nepal sled People definitely ask still were fans from back in the day that sixteen seventeen still roku mean Yeah definitely appreciate Eric urged me watching like old videos. You down about selling drugs that you probably were actually selling drugs at the time when years. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah wherever had said yeah knowing incriminate little teeth For sure while you're in america they can't they can't do anything for you. Say in the uk. Yeah call in the uk but america that pleasant even be hit to be. Fed is the strict in the border. So was it hard to care for It was smooth for us. It was some. you don't have to quarantine when you go back or anything. I'm not too sure. I even looked into it. I think that they england might just tell you you have to quarantine. And then they don't actually have been doing south thing countries goatee though when you get back to the uk they put in quarantine hotel and they keep you. You can't leave your stay there for fourteen ten days or fourteen year as hey them you go paid amazon. Says that's you paid into duda as seems come on scheme to me right. Do you think covert in any way for your come up like do you feel like maybe gave you time to focus on your craft more and figure out some shit or maybe just like the public. The public during cova was kinda like craving new shit to pay attention to yeah. It was puff time and when when did corona hit again maybe march march march april. So yeah the sun popped off from us in june. Had the song maybe much Leonida an it was perfect timing but it was a blessing though. Yeah for soga came up during corona Is ready to everybody. Else has come up. Because i haven't even had a chance to perform my shit donald. All of this and i haven't really. I haven't touched the streets in the uk a tool. I haven't done any shows ever really got to meet my that my new fans on which is the majority of my friends right. So it's different when we watched the videos you back in the day. Were you always really confident that you are going to end up making it and that you just had to figure out how to put the puzzle together. Thank you always have that sort of inherent confidence. Yeah for the most part but interesting. A lot of people don't have done. But i kind of see it even back then when much this old stuff on mike i would have been doing But the music wasn't maybe like where needed to be. Then but i could just see you had this like passion and hunger and it just felt like damn. That's like a young dude who seem like he was gonna figure it out yeah Thank god thank god is how you feel about making it really chidi. After all those years of working for it took a well. There was a time though there was a time. That didn't really. There's probably a few appears that bumps in the road. When i started to think maybe maybe lighter the move so get distracted here and there and just focused but maybe that was what i needed some time just before this happened started getting proper demo of era or just for for that. Let me know. i'm getting old. I always used to do so. I started making music. Fourteen dot go into the street on. She recording had been writing from younger than that. But i start recording that fourteen. I let fifty nine. I really realize that is a business and we can make money off of it. And i started seeing how you can distribute a music wherever i was trying to I was trying to blow. I wasn't just making music for the sake of is actually really trying to blow. So i'll say to myself last set and goes are if i if i get to seventeen or eighteen. I'm not where i wouldn't be. I'm just gonna cooley a day. Because i don't know i just always knew i don't know so i kept saying got to eight but i'll get to eighteen and not be somewhere then laucius i'd be cool. I'm gonna just keep it going for. Even though i'm not really where i wanna be on bed and lost year so let me just keep it going and keep it going and then maybe like twenty one. I say or even earlier than us she eighteen. Nineteen i say this again a bit long. And then i started. I had to had to make money elsewhere and Music wasn't really made communal money We had to eat so we started We started doing other things like even a job. One zero period. I had a job. And i was a student music carmen. Behind the headline shows. I started putting on my own headline shows. square bond kitchen's like free hundred people but we just rent a done the venue myself the venue Saudi are and i made like a good few which was not to me back then Bob was still. I still had a job on the side. Just hustling doing everything that we could do There's always times where there was a couple of times well fort. Maybe it wasn't gonna work so it's definitely a blessing. Did you grow up around much. Like musical influences where your parents listening to live music in the house. Did you have anybody from your area who is succeeding with rap. Music Not much people in my area Still one of the one. I like this this year this this these recent years is the breakthrough for all area western before that it was a lot of people in south london rhythm make music. I'm blow. my dad used to play music around me when we would be around him. My mom not so much I didn't really go. Yeah so there definitely was some musical influence. Though west london as well being the home of lack online hoax carnival Does so that western is like a very very area for that music cooling black music right. no con- was rat de la Caribbean influence in the area. Shit right when you think about all those years that you spend sort of like grinding towards where you're at now were you was your focus primarily on like improving your actual wrapping and the music was your focus on you sitting back and looking at the careers of a lot of your peers in the music world and like trying figure out what stop them from getting to the level that they maybe could've or because i feel like you're somebody who is looking at it from both a a musical side as well as a marketing side or a strategic side. Yeah definitely analyzed a game. I see what people do what people will take To do my own thing with it because it's kind of like a cap on how you can how big you can get a english rapper. To a certain extent it's it's probably like kinda in people's heads. I feel like you've already kind of like blown past that. A lot of ways in terms of just getting an amount of attention that i haven't really seen from a lotta uk rappers disrespect any other. People have obviously come before. You've done incredible things. But it feels like you sorta figured out how to make your shit hit on a bigger level. Yeah kind of is weird. It's like a mixture of what other people not watching. As i don't watch no one's digging in a sense where i don't have a like i don't count myself so if i i don't really inspire inspire is people with also when i'm going into some of these meetings and shit reckon london abi saying to me What kind of trajectory do you go in. A blueprint can estelle ever could never answer that question. There's no there's no esta would really aspire to to go down the same road or already be like like i think. Cnn is believe in those solo what people see people do. They believe they can do birthday. Encino do it and they just believe this impossible elaborately soya that others fan anything kind of possible right. 'cause i mean yeah. It's hard to imagine themselves being bigger than everyone. Who's come from your area necessarily. It's one thing if you're from and you see it all the time where the cities that have had really popular rappers in america tends to just produce more whereas you have certain cities like chicago pre you know pre chief kief those really only a couple of success stories that came from chicago and then chief keep comes out. And you just have rapper out to rapper. Who i think are like probably motivated by the success that they saw he had and that you know allowed them to envision somebody like polo a i think it allows somebody like him to see himself as being able to be this big star because he had seen other people from the same exact situation as him blowing up. Hopefully i can do the same people in my realty for sure. Do you feel like okay so sonically. You were fucking with the auto tune ship for a while. Was it like a very deliberate decision that you are like. You know what. I'm going to sort of put that to the side and go with the more of like a straight rapping style and because that was kind of like a moment when you share really started to blow up right yeah Kinda kinda. But when. I made that song day in the life. That was my first time drum jumping on a drew here if you wanna call it So that thousand i. i'm on johnson. That'll be we're not even i didn't have nothing to fall off with. I didn't know what i was doing it. I had a good feeling about the song. And i knew i could make more songs i know can make an jumper any kind of beat ready. So how'd that song i dropped. Diana didn't know what to pull out next. Could i heard like a few other songs. I am a black bag. But they weren't like that song so hard to jump in the studio quick and just follow up with Drought after molly and that was A similar sound. Like and i've just carried on similar of ever since it was kind of like this is the uk was my century. Everybody was doing all chanting Saaduddin i don't want to do that. Everyone kind of covered that lane to be all on your Good few of our s not already covered it. So i ain't gonna ain't gonna even always like going to do that. I wanted to call him brought in front on another lean kind of right shut. 'em honcho because i through researching you. I realized that there's like people very invested in china like demasked him on the internet. Yeah i was like god damn. I didn't know that very uncomfortable. Because i kicked it with them for hours one day and never saw him without the mass gonna share that commitment to for sure. Yeah for real he. I did see them headline shows that i was telling you about the oppo that i was putting myself am honcho. Cain to one of them that one would have been like his first show. I think he came. I remember him. I remember thinking. I'm obviously going to see him without his badly. He came back stayed badly on the whole time. And he's doing it. He's really incognito. You'd never considered being amassed rapper. Nah there's so many in the uk it's like just coming to america where we got a couple of dudes who are kind of doing. I think it's probably only so far. You can get with that all right. Do you feel like because. I feel like you sort of like took the drill sound that has sort of like just completely taken over the uk and you sorta like figure out a way to make it like a little bit more clever a little more witty a little bit less aggressive. It doesn't sound like straight fucking gang. Murder anthems like some of these. Uk artists who've blown up it's like is a little too. You know niche for like one sound like you sort of managed to take the drill sound sort of use some beats that are maybe like a little bit more lighthearted not scared to use samples shit like that and you you kind of figured out how to make that sound have a wider appeal in a way is on kinda just telling my story Telemetry for this. So that's i come out and on no crazy show. No roads tell him telling is the beat choice. Though for that always anita hits on different melodies the melody always needs to be different icon. Joan hate. I hate doc dr welby. I wanted to switch up the Yeah because i love that that sound but it just feels like it's know had somebody told me the other day it was sort of like a normal who doesn't listen to that much rap and he's like you know what i love a love that fuck in english drill shit like listen any of that shit. I was like not me man. I heard way too much. Like i like the best of that genre for sure but i just heard so much repetitive as joel not even just from england but from every fucking city in america and everything to and then when i heard your shit. I was like that right there. That's exactly the breath of fresh air. This fucking style needed in my opinion. Appreciate sure Okay can we talk a little bit more about like You coming up like the area that you were from an just how what your upbringing was like in general like like. What kind of kid were you in elementary school and shit like that and did you always think dementia school elementary for us first through sixth grade. So you're out of there as well we could at primary school okay. Fair enough Carry on the question. Because i'm like back in that time period when you were young and shit like did you always see yourself as being somebody who is going to pursue something creative or what kind of kid were you when you real young Y- where the area that. We're i'm from west. London wrestler is uptown is of a c. An up tom part of it but west london as a whole is like is uptown right. So it's the closest lack of london us Central unknown also circus should not is is I don't know what but yes uptown so like you can come out. You can come up my house and you can see you can see some real hood shit and then you can time right and then you can beat i in harlem pot which is going to be that billion you could be on. Google code can highstreet and beyond billionaires roses. Probably like the most expensive road in maybe in the world Last highstreet cancer deaths. When you're gonna see my disa- things that opened my eyes from young da. All of this stuff is like Attainable so always knew. Always had the highest parisian's as a kid no matter what if it if it was if it was for the music like. I'm pretty sure Just the way my mind was set a little. I had to go get something. does my area Briefly I was. I was low of eight though oslo as motivated as as a kid. Probably do you like did you feel like you're you know sorta like i feel like in the uk. It seems like there's a lot of sort of societal pressure to conform to not be a creative and not be somebody who goes outside of the box. Is that accurate. Did you feel that way. Did you feel like people were on you for trying to make something out of yourself at a young age. Yeah yeah up put. That was everywhere. Maybe you're right probably more so in the uk. Not now you say when you come to the la. I've been here for that long. And i don't know anything about the school system or already know much about the society as a whole but when you walk down melrose and now it's like a big is big It's almost like camden area in london. Which is like More free is more open minded which is only a small part in london and the rest is not like that. Everybody's closed minded know right. They don't they don't they. Do try and cut. Your dream is to let cool apprenticeship as they don't want anybody to go and do anything outside of the boss. You're right 'cause like i have a friend. Mike taylor is like a bmx pro. from warrington. and i remember. We were in london one time and he was just looking around. And there's all these people fucking crazy as haircuts and shit and he's just like you would never see that in walls and we're in warrington. It's a small town in england that he's from and he was like trying to explain to me like i know you think that this is what england is like like what we're seeing here in london but you gotta understand that. This is the most alternative part of england by far. He's like where i'm from. You would never be able to walk around looking like this is true but west. London though is like that though. If if any anywhere that it would be more self is it will be west kinda like that. Come to any kind of west is near west for kim poor dead type of places you will see that shit. All people do get a bit more. Career is the most probably creative London to be fair is is autistic and ship For sure so okay. Once once music starts. I'm jumping all over the map here but once you're music starts picking up like where your brain go in terms of how to keep this shit going and did you have any kind of team In the lead up to like had you had you started to have like a manager or any kind of people behind you when the song started popping off Yeah manager. I met my manager and that a year before we dropped song He he hit me. Why bees yeah. I heard that he was a like. I heard from a friend of mine. He's like pretty respected and they think he's kind of pretty integral and you bama paulo off. Would you agree with that. He is for sure. But it's it's he's a unique story is all right. Me and him. We met he had no. He's not here by the way he's in the uk. I was wondering on my own guys managers. I can't really talk that the pros but they've been moving from the beginning to But my manager we. I'm like a year before we drop that song right but i didn't I didn't have no music greedy. I two and i didn't know i was doing. I was more so on the roads and he was meet me here and there just china encourage me to use it to do music and take it more serious but i did. I didn't have the right song. Goes doodoo here. And that. But i knew of the musical phone at the time was right so when i came without song intimacy said look this is the one like surely yeah cool. I'll say. yeah this is the one this. let's push it. I want you to help me. Work it He said cool but he me even saying that to him was kinda like a leap of faith for me to didn't really trust manages prior to that quite a few people in the industry already even though i had an Made too much noise. Had a lotta people like in the in the period of medium trying to blow time like maybe what was it. Sixteen to two twenty. I'm twenty three now. I just turned twenty free so sixteen at eight. i was twenty two people in the industry and i lack. How did they move in as a predom- told can topa was energy right away so when but when i met my My mom we is genuine. Almost almost straight away by the weird thing was he had no experience in music He was just telling me how is he was telling me. I don't really have too much experience in managing Bomb a quick learner and wherever wherever and he didn't tell me that you see when a lot of people in music over the so you a dream nato you that they tell you what you wanna hear. He wasn't doing any an a hate that stuff. Software people do that. And it's g and tell you what you to handle that so when he was keeping it at one. Hundred is refreshing cool. Maybe this guy when a real good and Yeah it was a blessing to me and really and truly colloquial done and he had no experience in this things is lying is a quick. He's he's a genius really. He's genius though so we we've his last muttiah me and him. We really have a latina members to tough. Got my brothers of pay. Play a big part by a small small team Yeah you gotta song where you talk about turning down six figures but i heard it through the grapevine that like have you signed now at this point no. i'm taught. The rumors are out there man. I'm here in crazy. Numbers like always signed for this many millions of dollars etc no. I'm sure there are those offers are out there at this point though some good well some. They sound good. They sound good. But that's probably smart because you know that that advances against it though that we probably sign. I'm due to drop another tape. So we the tape in march redone. Independent we did it with ada over as distribution of right We're gonna do that again about to drop another tape and i'll probably sit down and Unsigned made me make sense. It's not really about advanced to me. It's not about the the millions or anything like that. It's just about the infrastructure to be able to do what we want to do and the way so broken down not really about up front. I don't care do you do sometimes talk to these labels and you feel like your vision is bigger than what they've got to offer to offer. They say they just tell me. What's your vision. And they said well we'll make it happen. Always on everything kudo i liked. How people are in these labels as a good few people Some good people have met in them right. Is it crazy having dude fro getting contact. I wanna work together. I'm assuming you're like does listening to him. Even this like a year ago Me and federal even so no what year it was. Maybe seventeen when i was doing them headline shows that same headline show. 'em honcho is talking about right. Fred done came on came out for me on the strength of a news. People with with from a similar era not too far right so we know same people and she he came up. He is finalized. I show he. He came out for me so i already knew it was just a my retirement to get in in the for. Come out with song crazy that we did so it went on crazy up though were but that's that's got to have been a crazy transformation for you like did did you feel like you've just one day a normal guy and then all of a sudden you can really walk down the street especially since you were probably fucking trapped in the house will covered or not with cova but during code for all this time not really seeing people and then all of a sudden put a. Oh yeah we were still outside joan crew. We always hear that. Like the uk lockdown was a lot more intense than how it was here. It probably was. It's probably still is. I mean is now because i don't think clubs are open over there. I haven't been home in a minute. But i don't think it's open owed. It's a lot more open here but we were still maneuvering them. Times cova came about. And i still normal to answer your question. I still feel normal. I think because the cove it an being quiet about Haven't really is only account numerous times on my hand of let been are overwhelmed at fans are need to jump back in. The car is not many times. Haven't had many experiences that because Because everybody's been inside. I haven't really done no shows yet. So have a have a thought crazy. Just been feeding looming store Did you talk before all this blew up. Because i know that that's a big part of how your songs were going off. Is that people just really embraced it on. Talk I think it did it take to help my song. Commitment issues people will go. People go on dot com Report which. I'm definitely not a load in about fifty million views. God knows how many streams before any take talk shit because there are songs they'll be like the big song on talk and it won't even have a million views on youtube. You're definitely not an example of that. But i mean i took my shit if you go on my team that i know that there's a of people that they got million tick talks. I think the most was one hundred and fifty thousand is good though a lot up lack of people were telling me that i was going to these meetings and shit. I'm always talking about me as lacombe sat dot com san him. But we're really not but we just we do go to alah means the of against these labels. We we went. We still do we liaise with. All of these people have come. Save them all the time but let me is having conversations with him before i had picked. It was always telling me do this. Tick shit is against. It didn't really sound a lot of your thing but to do shit. On talk you have to do some fucking corneas dance. Yeah which is. I'd like to think that my does not calling I don't know johnson national decision. Feel like if you're going to be a dancer early in your career you know how crazy but yeah i. I did one video. I put the commitment issues. And i did one Tick talk and golic a million just million views overnight an an assault meeting for this anita tate. This up a bit more serious these times. I've had instagram. For for however many years and i've nearly just over at my followers overnight Back just download an app yesterday of got more followers on tick-tock than having my instagram of facility years. I think that's what made me realize. But i still don't really know how to use the app. Yeah manila however posed about much stuff. My cell phone it. Yeah yeah it's weird. Has there been anybody who reached out to you Through all this that has kinda blown your mind like i'm looking through your feet. I'm seeing drake like an all your photos and shit. I'm like allow their. They see what's going on for sure jay. It's cool that one. That i don't really have that always managed to stay composed but that one route with me a bit though. I remember the message. He messaged me at seven. Am by the time will capacity for replied. And i'm not. I'm going to go back to sleep is still early. I might have only went sleep foreclosed. I've been sleeping flat free hours. I put my phone. I've tried to go back to sleep. Okay we'll get back to sleep. Woke up start my day from them. Motivated me for all right yeah. I think you're allowed to feel good about that one. I know there's a big. There's a big like desire to stay normal. Stay grounded not get too caught up in the hype and shit. I very much hear that from you. at a certain point you gotta kinda pat yourself on the back alot like yeah you know. That's pretty cool yeah. I don't try to do the assessment personality ebro right. You don't feel like you're at risk of Develop into big head and becoming a cocky or anything because that's kind of par for the course for rappers in america to close to bid it's impossible not for me. I can't do it. I mean you come from the more about this than i could tell you but it feels like the in england. The culture is so much of like people. Don't respect people who get bigheaded just kind of looked down upon to sort of develop a big ego. It's very much thought of like you. Wanna stay normal. You want to stay close to the people. Maybe people don't let the uk coach the following a lot of people. Don't brag teed off when you don't see no crazy jews you can't really get away with dragon to your heart flex to heart. It's not really gonna end will Okay guy so hopefully enjoyed that if you did and you wanna keep listening head on over to our patriotic and support us. Give us that ten bucks a month and you can listen to the whole thing on this very app or through the paycheck app or you can head on over to youtube. Dot com slash. No jumper and listen to the whole thing for free with ads or without ads of you sign up for you to plus and yeah appreciate each and every one of y'all thank you once again for all the support.

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The start of free agency and inside the Big 3

The Showtime Podcast with Lakers Legend Coop

35:22 min | 2 months ago

The start of free agency and inside the Big 3

"Welcome to another time with poop insightful, BS, with Laker team mates, Indian legends. Often times, it's just being myself and today, that's what you're going to get. But you're still going to get an earful because we always bring good eargasm to show time with Coupe. All right, how are you, sir? Great man. I love the way you say that. That's that's that's that's good and you got to hear from from some of our our fans of the show while you were out signing autographs. That's pretty cool too. You know, at the front part about this, our age that, you know, when we do this you're in your place I'm in mind. And whoever the guests that we bring on, we just talked and we we hope that people are listening but they are. I didn't know that I was in a signing in Chicago and Boston Celtics fan while he he was from LA, but he lives in Boston and he comes up to me. And he says, you know, her Coupe. I listen to you and your guy re and you guys are are sort of Fight Club. Cycle, and you're funny. And you guys tell the truth. And so he had me sign a picture for him and his son and then I stood up took a picture with him. He says, who do you think if I go get a basketball game that you could put fuk the Celtics on it? Now was a little shocked? I said, hell yeah, I'll go get the boss. Just saying, if blank blank K, and I thought you got what they're meant on that. And I mean, he loved it to the fact, but it was just an honor and real exciting to me that people do. Listen. This is kind of like underground radio. Don't you think I already oh yeah, absolutely. And I love, you know, even though you've had, you know, we've we've obviously had such a Maxwell on and you you know you've bared that too with some of these Lakers Lakers Celtics guys like that. I mean I can't say it enough man, that that rivalry defines NBA and you know, as much as you dealed, diminish it at times like or defer from it. I mean it is you think about how popular the NBA is and it is only on its way off. For more and more popularity. I mean, it goes back to you guys building the foundation of this thing. And that's, I'm starting to realize re I'm starting to realize, is that what we did back there? Yet, was a fleeting moment of greatness, but it has lasted and sustained has built this big snowball. If you want to say, use an analogy rolling downhill to his only getting bigger and better. And you know, some of these guys that you see him out there now. And then we'll talk about this big three in a minute, but some of the guys will talk basketball. Even those guys, you know, Mario Chalmers, Joe Johnson, you know, they still give us that respect cuz you've gotta figure. If some of the coaches are written, very often, George Gervin, Rick. Mahorn drjays Steve mixes, drjays assistant coach Gary, Payton. These are all the people that started the Blaze. The trail for these guys and found that, you know, it's nice to be recognized, but it's even more nice when the fans recognize it and, yeah, really pay homage to us in a sense of getting the NBA to where it is today on. It's funny because the guys years Mentioned way better NBA players historically than any of the guys, the basic, you know, mine. But so let's start this off. Let's talk every said about the big three mentioning those long as they're, you know, the big three is on the rise, man. It really is. And it's a shame that that the Olympic Committee or whoever the powers to be couldn't let our championship team into that because really kick guys asked me. I'm telling you, I watch that three-on-three. If I don't, they fired me. Why don't they? Well, I I can't really give you a true answer. I'm going to just say that, I don't think that they want to allow because it wasn't NBA sanctioned in a sense. So I think that may have something to do with it. But that's just my, my assumption on why that makes sense. They have to let it happen because you're going to have big three and the Olympics is about the best sport event. For the world. You you excluding a team and Joe Johnson and the group that got the triplets that to Lisa Leslie. Coaches that won the championship last year and are now for enrolled in the league going down. Works are I don't think any of the teams that won any of the teams, especially the USA team. Instinct could have beaten this team here. This team is real solid, and it's professional and they played Pac-Man. Well in luck, with all due respect to Joe Johnson who was a really good scoring player. He was not a lot of bad teams that didn't win anything, right? So it's, I'm glad he's finally wouldn't something wrong. Hey, anyway, I look like there's any way you can get a championship baby. Absolutely. And that's not a lot of bad teams or, you know, mid to your team's, you know, for a long time. But Joe, that was a $29 game and you can fill it up. Whenever problem for him, are our ultimate goal point-wise is fifty points. He's averaging twenty nine for his team, so he takes a lot of pressure off his teammates off. Got to do a scoreboard, 19.20 point, something like that, maybe a little bit, you know, to win the game. But, you know, it is truly a great League. This week, we're going into our fourth week. We leave tomorrow to go to Chicago. We were supposed to be in New Orleans for like a doubleheader thing down there. But because of covert, the procedures that are happening down, there is on the rise. We, they really did a great job of changing that's in keeping us playing. So we fly into Chicago and Thursday, we play in Chicago and then Saturday, we play in Milwaukee and it things that happened so fast. I don't know if it's Milwaukee first and then Chicago, but we're going to be there, probably will be, we're Landing in Chicago, we're staying in Chicago and driving, never, but if you're out there and you're listening, you're going to be in your city this week, Thursday night, Thursday and Saturday. Don't get some great games. You have to see, like I said, the triplets are for enrolled Jackson. What's his name? Steven Jackson, yeah, he's a big-time player in the NBA. He is not dead. Code for Trilogy and has a very good team. Did three and one Speaking, let you what's your record? We're going to 3, we're just the opposite. I wish we could change that around. It was a typo and moved at 3 in front but we're going to 3 and we we're struggling and we're having a hard time. You know this year I have Mario Chalmers, dermarr Johnson Drew came and picked up Ryan Hollins in the draft. And then we drafted a guy named Jeremy Pargo, they reduced it by one player this year. So everybody has 5 except the triplets bought a new one. They have six, but they can only play five. So yeah, we have some tough games, lots of tough game. Last the other day against doctors team, who has Nate Robinson and Jason Richardson and Jason didn't play. But Nate was there and they had brought in some guys and they were just tobacco. But you know, we're going to get fired up and we don't I don't wanna see how much coaching do you do walk in there. You know what? It's really not a lot of protein because it's three on three. I mean you want the guys to go through some things but it's more like, you know, I was talking to Lisa and I saw her in the hall. Away there and she stopped when she goes smooth. You know what? Don't think he bad cuz you went and stuff like that. I don't think I'm bad because I'm, when I'm doing what you did for us with the Sparks. And I said, well in fact that, you know, there's a lot of things I like to think to go scooping up. The one important too important things you did for us with the Sparks that I'm using with. These guys is one. You have you let us and I used to walk them. You got y'all tell me what's going on out there, y'all out there and she said that you don't know how important that is. Because a lot of coaches just want to see it from their angle and they're going to come from your angle, she said, but you asked us what we got going on so we were able to make adjustments as a team but the best biggest and best thing that you did is that you always made us feel good about going up there to play in about ourself, you know, that you're the best, you can do better than that player. And, you know, you have to have a competitive nature, but it's still about the whole team and she said, that's all I do with our team with joke. She said make her feel good about themselves, and she making them feel real good job. They fall and over and it looks like they're going to go undefeated this year. Wow no. I mean and that's look, I mean obviously from a you know a Fan's perspective you think of the schematics of a coach you know and and designing plays and but I mean the motivational piece confidence piece under you know understanding the psyche of the roster and the locker room. I mean that's to me what I've noticed way more important in comb and then anything else is probably like the most important part of coaching in any sport. Big time. You gotta get your players to feel good about yourself and want to play for you. That was the one thing Pat Riley used to do with us when we played his bowels. Could get us fired up to where and we do this is the metaphorically run through the wall type of things, you know, but we run to the wall for him but because we knew he was with the team with us. Maybe he was back in our head was hitting the wall and going to walk through, but we busted our hands to get through it, still that kind of science behind it or less psychologically, motivating technique that you use as a gift, the players to play for one month. Everybody by in she's done that with a team. You talk about plays in The Big Three. You've got some things where you can do it through Man game or you're running running motion offense and you're freaking away and doing some ocean wage. That's all it is. But again, it's just about the big three main things about having a good two people that can go George Gervin. This year has a team called ghost Ballers and the ghost ball is a 3 and one and George was like oh and 8 I mean, oh no, he's two and eight last year, but now you got kid named Mike Taylor. He has a guy named Chris Johnson. I believe he has bought a Ricky. Ricky Ricky gave Nikki Davis. The sales Celtic. Yeah, those guys are playing well together, but this might Taylor kids, he's probably the most hip hop. Hip hop is changing always dancing before the games. And, you know, they make this big intro, but they're playing extremely well. So, in Georgia, sits over there like this, he doesn't move or anything. He sits, and every now and then, he'll go. I really do believe he's just moving his mouth. He's not saying he'll go. And actually funny to see but they're playing well, so you don't three-on-three. The Big Three is getting bigger and better and we're going forward. And this issue of all years, we have to be playing a little bad. Like I said, we're one and three, two years ago, we started one in four but we end up making it to the playoffs. Playoffs in the Bahamas. This year off and one of the big Haitian, it could be a working vacation to go. To the Bahamas. You'll be there for 5 days in Grand Bahamas. And for the usually, huh? Yep. That's usually while the last championship before covid-19 in Los Angeles Staples Center. So Lisa wanted left home on her court and that doesn't sit well with me because he or she is a new coast and didn't know what was going on home. And here she is. She walks into a championship kind of like Steve Curley when he would go to the station, but it's an homage to you, you know, she want to title based on your tutelage is for Coach. So you know your part of your party. Before she got a ring, I didn't get all you want. I wasn't residual that come with that, man, but that's about the big three. Everybody got the victory coming to your town, Chicago Milwaukee Milwaukee. Chicago either one, we're going to be there, it'll be in the paper media, Outlet to be bursting, hi, out there that's for this week coming up and hopefully, the Three's Company can turn this thing around. I think by the end of this week, we can be 3:00 and 3 with a good shot of going in. Or we can be one and five thinking about going home early, but either way, I'm having fun. I'm coaching found get out and see the big three cuz the real special. So with that will end up. Big three segments. Again you listen to show time with Coupe, insightful BS and today is just re and I may be asking each other. And next week we got some special guests coming in and take a little Hiatus, a little bit but we coming back strong. Let's talk about NBA basketball right? And you know, wage Talk about. Hey, this is Michael Cooper, been online. The fastest and easiest way to bet on all your Sports Action baseball season is in full swing, and you can track all the action at home. Bet online, get all the latest news odds. Info, for all your sporting needs including Major League Baseball, National Basketball, National Hockey League and all your UFC MMA action real-time updates odds and props on almost anything. You can imagine that online has you covered for all the news scores. And odds is the best way to place your bets and free to sign up before the next pitch. Head over to bed online your laptop or mobile device and take advantage of the 50%. Welcome bonus on your first deposit. BetOnline, your online Sportsbook experts, don't sit on the sidelines anymore, get in on the action. Don't forget to use that promo. Code, c, l, n e. F50 to receive a 50%. Welcome bonus with your first deposit. BetOnline, your online Sportsbook experts. Let's talk about NBA basketball, right? And I, you know, what I'm gonna talk about is he week busy week with with free agency, starting the draft. So I mean already, the Lakers will start the Lakers. I guess I'm starting with with the clippers but I was too late. Yeah, I mean, Lakers I thought did a great job. The hierarchy over there is doing its job again. All right, let's let's start with Russell Westbrook because look, they made a bunch of moves screw. So they bring back Dwight. Howard Teresa. But how is Russell Westbrook going to coexist with LeBron? Is this a good move? I think it's a great booth and I think about this because I think the trials and tribulations of Russell Westbrook, moving around, OKC Houston Washington. Just kind of like be a language spot for him. Him being going with the dog. See a line right down for him? What a great place to just kind of mess and where you don't have to do it all. And I think Russ is a competitive player but he's also a player that want to be recognized as a champion or at least the plate for one. And I think that's you know, Chris Paul that would be his and I think she'd be his swan song on the way out. I got a chance to play for it and never had so I think Russ will look anything like that. I think LeBron is accepting of that. I think LeBron is willing to hand the ball over because you know what? R Us still has some energy left in him. He has about a half a tank cuz he keeps his body and great shame and I think they will allow him to do what he wants to do. He knows he's playing with other superstars, so you're going to have to share the basketball but when the time comes you got a point guard looking go, get his both offensively, only boards and can give out 10 plus assist on any given night. And I think that's going to be an addition that the Lakers would look are gonna love to have. I think you know you're going to have to have him on the ball obviously at times your dog. Have off the ball at times. When you want LeBron handling the ball, you know, the thing about Russell Westbrook that makes them great. Also make some tough, you know, he's just a whirling dervish you can't scheme around him, you kind of just have to bend what he does. And that's he's just a I mean he is so athletic and so powerful that it's just I mean he he just when you look at his past experiences with other teams, like that's been the, what makes them great is also been his problem that you can't devise schemes around him. He's just kind of his own offensive ecosystem and I think this will be one of the biggest challenges of LeBron's career page is trying to figure out, you know, leadership with him because he's such an alpha but also, you know how how to coexist with him down the stretch of basketball games because again there's going to be about eighty two games, whatever they play now, they still play eighty-two, they play more or less now but I know that going back to. I mean, eighty-two games are going to have the ups and downs of, you know, this game brushed takes over a month. On the ball, this game abroad, but in the playoffs down and crushed, I'm I'm just interested to see how they they coexist. I think, if anybody can make it work, LeBron can do it, but it's, I mean, it's going to be fascinating theater. And now life, there's talks about them bringing Carmelo in which I know, I mean, this isn't the type of player. This is the type of player that Russ is at this point, you know, I mean Carmello's, you know, a guy comes off the bench contribute for you but it's just, it's gonna be a very easy. Interesting season is to try to build a championship roster back up against around the Bronx and you listen, you in la-la land. Golly, would you got all the things going? This is going to be a soap, opera waiting to. Yeah, I think. Is he going to either be for the bottom to drop out of it or for them to win a championship. Especially if we bring Carmelo in the mix, which I don't think is a bad idea. I think his time in Portland really has given him a chance to do it. He go check. And Carmelo is a good guy, man. He really is. He just wants to win. But again, when you always been a score, all the way back from your first name, You came, when you were eleven years old, it's hard to change that, but I think he's changed that it's a great landing spot for Carmelo. Who wouldn't want to be in Los Angeles too. But I think if they were to put those four stars together, well let's just do a J-3 first with Westboro that I think is going to be okay. I think if if LeBron could get Congress Kyrie Irving to buy and when leaves at Cleveland but if you saw he let Kyrie do a lot of boring which also helps LeBron. I think he can do that. Magic work that magic with a with the Westbrook. Great point. A d is another in the mixed guy. And you know what, the only way she is going to be that song Superstar player is he has a basketball and I think Russell Westbrook knows that coming in last but not least four. Girls going to have a big, a big fun time with this word, load management because now you can fit LeBron five ten games and let Russell Westbrook do his thing, right? And all he has to do is I'd be competitive and off. 10 with a d and the other players that got in there, going to be successful. So any true fun to watch that. So let me ask you this. What do you think was the biggest flaw of last year's Lakers team page as far was APA, langkah letting Dwight Howard and Javale McGee. Get out of. That was the biggest flaw. I think they could have survived through everything else. Had you had one of those players because now you don't have to play a d. So many minutes you don't have to live with Gasol shooting threes and not doing anything else. You got somebody that if we make a mistake on the defensive and around the perimeter, you got some some Rim blockers there that are blocked shots or at least intimidate or contest shots, you kind of got half that that scenario back and going to get Howard. Same one, that's hard to swallow my bed, for him. But you know what? The guy swallow that pill Rob because again, that was a move that you made a mistake on and it costed you a championship because now you asking a d, not only the score but I defense and played big minutes and his body just couldn't handle it. Yeah, I mean it's a great point and that's I mean I'm sure pelinka bringing Dwight Howard back gives you a pretty good idea of hey we missed you off. Here, you know, we missed taking that toll and look, I think one of the things that's probably under-appreciated is having a guy like Dwight Howard, that takes some of the wear and tear off of, Anthony days, off course of the year, right? If Anthony Davis is regarding a four or, you know, if he's able to guard, a not have to go out of five and being inside like and that's one of the things that he was underappreciated by George. Howard Bell McGee the year before it's like now you don't have that wear and tear every game. Having a band with a 5 every single game where it's like, you can slide him Dwight, Howard into the 5, have him bang down low and you know, and now you're, you know, you're helping Anthony Davis. So I agree with you, they bring back to William, Howard, they lose Alex Caruso, they bring back Trevor Ariza, Wayne Ellington and Kent Bazemore. So they're bringing a lot of guys that have been with the Lakers previously back into the fold, but the loss of a guy like Caruso. Ultimately, what do you think about all these movies that have been made? And I'll mention Russo. I think that the players that they brought in and if you notice the significant part about Beijing, Or Ellington through a Trevor Ariza. All those guys are great, great role players. They not going to look to do more, they're not going to look to they'll expect to they'll expect to fill in the holes and stuff like that, but they won't play out of their position and I think that's what you have at times with Caruso with kuzma with kcpt. Yeah, guys, at one of the bigger role instead of just playing their role and I think these guys are come in and do a better job. Ellington is a flat-out shooter. So you got Young, play him. I think Schroeder will be helpful to, as a backup to Westbrook. And I think again, those two bands. Okay? See now you guys show the plan, his role, you don't ask him to play extended minutes and you'll get significant minutes from him off for the amount of time that he plays now. So Lakers win the title next year, for sure. And you got a lot of seasoned vets there. That's the important thing, your three players are dead. X Superstar vets. And if you the mother guys come in and do their role, they're going to be. All right, I don't see anybody. That can beat the Lakers once they get in sync and get to Rolling. Again, the biggest key is going to be what they do with their defense. I think they'll be good. I think Westbrook takes times off on pick-and-rolls, but I think being with LeBron, they have somebody like get after you, for taking time off, will make him better. I don't see Phoenix beating them, I don't see Denver beating them. I don't see a Utah, beating them. And now we're going to move over to the Clipper Clipper land. You know, I'm a closet Clipper fan, so I'm gonna come out the closet for a brief moment, but my assessment Lakers win the championship. I'm going to tell you how many games, it could take them, you can take them five, they can take them for it. Can take them seven. They're going win the championship off. Of course. All right. How about the Clippers? They Kawhi? Leonard? Is he leaving? Or is he going to come back? They sign. They bring back Nicolas Batum. Who's a good piece? And what what you're feeling here on the Clippers? Well before they got Westbrook, I would put money down on it that they were going to get that Carrabba's coming to the Lakers now, that's not going to do. Okay? So I think what Kauai done now is, he's going to assess the situation real good. Obviously letting his his option extend out to where he's a legitimate free agent life, he's going to see what kind of moves they're going to make. You got the hundred fourteen million on the cap already between zubac canards Kauai box swapped it in. And again that was a major piece there right now. Hawaii was a major piece but Ibaka was a piece that had they had him that they didn't. They could have done a little bit more without Kauai been there. I think they could have got to Western Conference Finals, but with the Box are coming back, I think it's going to be good. And I think, you know what, Paul, George will finally be able to play off. Provided they put all the pieces together in Kauai come back. He don't have to come out and be that big time player now, not a special piece to the thing is they gotta get Reggie Jackson signed that kid, play great basketball throughout the whole series throughout the whole, all the playoffs and have they had Kauai Jackson's. His his hip play would have been insurmountable. He blew up really big because I know how you decide you got a chance to see him. Hit big shots with Kawhi on the court. I think Nicolas Batum is going to be a big part. Maybe I have to do something with him, get him signed or find a way to get him back. And the one thing I love about the Clippers and I like underdogs, okay, represent the dog one thing. I loved the Clippers play and watching them play this year. As you got to see the emergence of Terrence Mann become. That's going to be a star player in this league that kid came through. Man let you talk series, he showed what kind of player he was going to be. My thing is he's going to have to figure out if he's an offensive player or a defensive player in any in the NBA you can be both of them but you won't be good at either 1 a.m. or you can you can say I'm going to be a defense to play on. Be very good at it or an offensive player and be very good at it and he showed that he could knock down the three, but in the same time he gave up a lot of defensiveness. Steak. So I think that's going to be their dilemma into your, into your point. Just for people that are like, what do you mean? Like, you can only, you only have so much energy to give, all right? So you're not going to be giving full energy on offense and Florida's offense, you have to pick your spots. Like, that's what a lot of people say about your game. Is your offenses underrated because you were using so much of your stamina and energy on defense. And that's why I was hard to shoot. Sometimes, I didn't have a nice little box with me and wide open, man. You say could be that, shoot the ball. If I shoot this balls going to be air ball. I know where my energy lies, so I was always passed it. But, yeah, those are things, you know, you gotta put a lot of energy, but at the same time, just going back to the Lakers for a moment. That's what may Russell Westbrook. So great. He's the guy who had energy to score points to get rebounds and to give out a sister triple-double to break one of the greatest players ever played this game record and they go. Yeah, so that's the decision. I think he's going to have to make and if I were him, if I can give him any advice wage. I would tell him to be a defensive player because defensive players stick around a long time. You looked at myself, you looked at Bobby Jones, just the name, the two of us, John Havlicek, I'll throw him in there too. But John how long that was pretty good. Dennis Rodman. Dennis, Rodman? A rebounder. I don't consider him a defensive player. He was a great defensive player. I am offended dad, not offended that he got the Hall of Fame cuz I'm not hating on anybody down there but he got in being a rebounder which is a good thing, you can be but he wanted to defensive player magic kicked his ass when we were playing Detroit was taking him that first game wore him out. Dennis Dennis, who now? Okay, anyway, I digress, I love that you're like, Dennis was a good defensive player. One of the greatest offensive players of the history of the league Magic Johnson scored on him. Like of course he did. Magic started everybody. Larry Bird is going to be all the time, but Michael Cooper's greatest defensive player, all right? Are you can throw him in there? I'm just tell him in years. But I think terrorists man has to do those type of things. I would say believe that difference of demon for them because he can do that. He's kind of limited though cuz you can only play one to. Some fries might be too big for him. Has that he had that toughness about him but I mean you could kind of do both a little bit often I had I get it for one year in eighty-seven knock down threes and yeah you can do it for one year but I think you saw true star come out him in the Clippers. Kennedy Clippers win a championship. If they get everybody back the luck of the draw, they stay healthy. I think they can compete with the Lakers and it'd be nice to see both of them meeting the Western Conference Finals. Yeah, something we certainly thought we were going to see this year. The Clippers get to their first-ever Western Conference Finals. That is That is unbelievable. I mean, I know it's like you were on the Lakers when the Clippers were so bad and so brutal. And they were had been for so long, but it still is unbelievable. But fifty sixty years basketball. They finally play in the Western Conference finals for the first time ever in the Lakers. If they probably been that playground time, that was our playground, the West Dakota off. So routine for us is that we don't even hang Western Conference banners because that you're supposed to get there like Boston, Boston, and hang up Eastern Conference. I mean, they have a few, their butts off their goal. Was we going to win the East? Hey, that's a no brand. It's about winning the whole thing. So yeah, that is kind of startling crazy. So let me ask you this on Kauai He's got these recurring injury issues. I mean you obviously, of course you sign him if your clippers, but I mean, how concerned? I mean, what how do you protect against that? Because obviously, your ceiling is kauai's Health, but it's not just a one-off thing. He's got recurring issues with that knee. Well, I think you do the best you can with him getting him. Some may I be after him, I think load management will really, really, really benefit him a lot throughout the course of the season. But the same time, quiet such a competitor. I think he thinks of load management is being soft in a sense because yeah, watch the complete and come out there and play. So I think it's, it's a catch-twenty-two situation with him because you just have to just kind of, I wouldn't play him on back-to-back games for sure. I wouldn't do that. I think he would travel with the team, but you have to give him a day off in between because they got enough to win, especially the games are just supposed to win. And nowadays, it's almost hard to pick them kind of game cuz everybody's so good cuz you would say, hey Memphis. We're supposed to win the kid ja Morant. That boy can play, so he's going to make you break out of. So I just think you have to pick and choose the games that they play him but if he comes back healthy as healthy, as he can be the Clippers, our team that can contend for a championship this month NBA playoffs, tell you anything with the league in terms of like if the Lakers don't win it this year or are as bad as they were in terms of output, right? Like if they don't get out of the second page, the first round second round second. Are we starting to look at this and say maybe the bronze done through winning championships mean, especially given? I mean, Trae, young and Luka doncic. I mean, just the emergence, especially of these guys, the play-offs, you know? That's a young man's league, right? Yeah, I don't think you could say that that I think the league is just catching up with everybody because the league has been so bad. That these teams now are getting very good basketball player on this trying to put the pieces together. So I don't think it's necessarily an and LeBron is getting up there, but that's why he needs help. And that's why there's red Westbrook thing is. I think they'll be a big addition along with other people that they got to go with that roster. But I just think it's just says a big Testament to the league is getting better. Teams are wanting to win a championship. You look at Denver, I mean, the way that they play, they play you very tough, play the Lakers very often and they would, they did that. Just think when they get married back, they're going to be like that more dangerous. So, I don't think that LeBron of the top teams are coming down. I think the bottom teams are coming up and they're dead. Start to be recognized. I don't think you see Phoenix have a season like they did last year this past season. I think Phoenix will always be a team that's going to be very competitive. I think they'll go one or two rounds in the play-offs. Some good beats. But I don't you know, you've got those those dream teams and those Wonder teams little surprise teams that are rare their head for that time and it's just like Milwaukee. I don't think Milwaukee gets to the finals next year you know, think so no. No, I think the East is going to be too big and too tough. I think Brooklyn will work really, really hard. And I think for some reason the magic of come together were hardened and Bowery and Durant. All are healthy, the whole season and if they do that they're going to put many a slip ons. On a lot of people I mean there were a ton of injuries this year. It's funny though because it's like that happens every year you know I mean every year injuries dictate the outcome of seasons and you know sometimes can overcome it sometimes can't. I don't know if there are more injuries this year but five six seven years from now. Nobody will remember the injuries, I remember. Oh yep. Walk you on the championship, right? That was a surprise. And that's true to say. But the weird thing about the injuries are they run like those devastating knee injuries. They were like, twists and tweaks. And yeah, no, Hammer is something you can come back off of. It's just a matter of you, taking your time coming back and I think these guys realize the amount of money that they can make so they sent out a little bit longer. Yeah, well, a hamstring and they do, I mean, I'm pretty sure they're getting a rehabbing done at practice and doing their off times but they wait so long that then they try to come back. They try to come back full speed or hamstring. And I've had many of those I pull. I had a bad one to hit point is, I don't know if you ever had a hip pointer, but it hit point is something that that takes about four or five months to come back. If you get a bad one, if you almost break the tip of that thing, because if you sneeze at home, you can re-injure that and set yourself back a week. So it was a lot of little injuries that happen through the NBA. Now, so that to me was shocking, is that low management wear and tear that's part of being a game. National athlete football, baseball, basketball injuries. Come with the game. Yeah, all said, well, all right. Big three weeks covered Lakers week of June and the Clippers recovered. I think we know where we're going, and we just want to say thank you to everybody that's been waiting for a show to come back. We always try to give you some very, very productive news and we have a good time. I was able to for the Laker fans out there and Laker Nation, give you a little bit more, something that you can hang your hat on for the Clipper fans and especially this guy named Clipper. Darrell you ever heard of him cause hyper, girl, that guy, they attack wasn't like knocked out. He was using a lot of be there. Clipper go back. Every time we run into each other, we almost start fighting because they just smack seriously. And I love to God because he's so passionate about the Clipper and I told him, I said, listen, the Clippers be aware when you take off that half white half red, half blue jacket and put on some regular clothes and be a real real fan, then home. We should get Clifford are on the show. We got Clipper Darrell. I'm going to do that. That's who we need to get and you want to hear some real sugar, honey. Iced tea, talk Clipper, Darrell can bring. I'm going to work on, getting your heart, get him. That I want to know. Like why, why the Clippers Like, what was, what was he doing? Well, you know what? This is what he told me, cuz I said, why can't you be a Laker fan? It's a coupe listened, as a young guy, come up in L A, I used to, I used to like y'all. I was like y'all. But I, you know, what? A little Clippers came up here. It was like nobody likes them and I said, you know, I'm going to be the first one to like him, but I'm going to get him to tell the story, the way he told us to me and I said, you know what, that's a shame because, you know, we really could use your own bandwagon. We could, we would have been a good voice for us. But you know what? He loves the Clippers and he loves him passionately. Yeah, and he's right, there's no Clippers fans. So it's good to have one. That's a wrap again you've been listening to show time with cool insightful bsy by the Laker Legends teammates and NBA legend friends. But today it was just sorry and I took like two old married couples. We're getting ready to tell you goodbye cuz that's the end of this show. You all right brother.

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Star Trek Voyager: A Celebration

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Star Trek Voyager: A Celebration

"Now another addition of tony tomato. On cy cy talk. This is katie sack off. Gay listening sifi co creators are out at. What am i promoting. Do all right okay. Three you want this. Is mike dougherty fisher. We're the co creators brown coach redemption. And you're listening to us by jump on the bandwagon. Everybody else has a gun and other. Hey ride hi. i'm tim. Daly the voice superman right here on sci-fi talk. Hello i'm rodney lacaille. David hewlett hip you. Hi this is don davis. I'm the composer of the matrix. Matrix reloaded and the matrix revolutions. Hi this is. John delancey kind of the things that aren't there. Well you know. Sometimes you have that experience anyway. People at all they're gone in part because of the whole nature of genes vision but also because of its message of diversity and inclusion high. Today we have been robinson. He is a co author of the new star trek. Your book aptly titled star trek voyager. A celebration welcome to the podcast talking about what i think is an under appreciated star trek series on five. He thinks that was with the congressional hangzhou actually working on the book. Now i will tell you from my background i. I have an incident that i call. I was stuck in a a women's locker room with some of the cash. Mattress story requires some context. Does it does. I stuck in the in the women's locker room with some of the cast of star trek. Voyager during the run of the series two interviews. Kate was not was there but essentially did her talk on stage and then left because it was for a convention and then the rest of them were all there. So i got to talk to you. During the first season and rain actually it was a little. it was the third season because george decay. Was there to talk about his. Voyager episode that he was in and at the time he was really pushing for a series. Yes a star trek Excelsior series. That never came to pass. I think he did some audio stuff. But that's about as far as their clint. Tell us about this book and how this all came together. Well i was in the locker room. We we've been writing about tried. So i've been doing it on and off for twenty three years. Now go to help me and we're best night. Thank for making ships which come with zips and for many years of a dream of mine to all material squadron book full and to make to make boats i mean i on an old publishing guy up today the so a book publishing pregnant begun very well and we decided we could do some new new kinds of and because it was ages. Twenty fifth anniversary last year at that seemed like a really good place for us to stop so We went out. And with my code with a mock. We did something like thirteen you interviews and pulled schedule of the old material that we had as well and everyone to look back on voyager. Which as you said. I think is something of an under appreciated classic When you when you look at it. Now one of the festival's i made to brian. A friend of mine. And i'm brian was saying watching during reruns. Sonal eleven at night when i got excellent. I'd finished writing for the day. I've found myself watching an episode of voyager. He said god it's really good. I it's it's. It's shy can be reevaluated. Now in the context because i think the time everybody has been selling love with tingey the didn't really appreciate voyager for what it was. Yeah speaking of captains kathryn janeway. The first the first female captain and i think it's on wanted to dvd's you have be Some of the footage they shot where genevieve who show. And i can totally see why they replaced her. She just didn't have it. I mean she's a great actor it just wasn't a fit for her. And i remember seeing kate mulgrew in remo williams. The adventure begins playing a major s. And i said wow you know. It's like she has this combination of strength and yet femininity and she's beautiful. The look at and it was like i liked. I liked this actor. And i heard she was cast as janeway to replace ms buccio and i said wow. This is fantastic. Totally happy that she got the role. A lot of people for whatever reason never never warmed up to her. Why do you think that is that. People didn't warm up to james who actually in. Oh my office is a really good. Is that a lot of people i constantly encountering people to be loved jiwa jain way i think is actually a very important contract actor to to people i mean i do think the thing about is that coke and picard are extremely hot actively oh my god yeah a obviously in very different ways and i think they both sat a kind of standard the an idea of what it meant to be as stuff caps in the people found it hard to to accept something different. And with pecan. I think it kind of happened to us by accident. Who originally the concept was. The reiko was going to be the cup side character so the captain could be different. Obviously the calcium patrick stewart made a difference. Oh yeah but when it came to cisco jianghuai. I think that they were. They were again looking for ways to make different on. Some extent doesn't want people to be different. But the truth is if you you damned if you do damned if you but yeah i cost being counts but i think china is actually a very important captain for a of people younger. I am for a lot of women fans in particular little funds. She said very big following about the lgbtq community. So i think she's one of the most successful his daughter like the original series boya jury streaming all over the place and in reruns on television now so a whole new group of people is discovering the show without the baggage of the other shows. Just like you it standing on its own and janeway is like going through a renaissance. And what's cool and i was totally on board with this. There's actually like a buster statue of janeway in the town. She was supposed to be boy. Yes which is awesome. That's fantastic the thing is i sent to all devices. We've been telling me that as bad ass. And she said oh country be good ass likes that she you you what they met showing cates extraordinary presence myself you. She fills up a room. I think that we started the peace of our She's incredibly charming and president. She just you know a when you Films twice as much light forces as the average us. yeah. I would say for me if i picked again. Wave favorite episode and their many. Believe me but i would say year of hell was janeway at her best. I was like she's the ship is like i mean this is something as a fan. I've always wanted to see. Hey what happens. If the ship gets destroyed how crew react and with year of hell we got to see that and janeway just stepped up mightily in that episode. It was termi. It was a two parter that really to me solidified. Her as she belongs into same conversation with kirk and picard and i. I mean that you mentioned your is interesting book. I was talking to broader when they first had the idea. How iraq nutri making year. We're gonna have one whole sees out of in cool eight years l. And that at the end it was gonna reverse wipeout anorexic reset the online at the final season. I think that the other things changed enormously since the nine cents that there were a little too casual views. Which enid maybe not unseen weeks episode could catch up on streaming would have been very confused. That was a very different perks to civilization. she met than there is now Yeah another january thing. There was a book written by jerry. Taylor who is one of the executive producers mosaic. And i when i when this was a radio show. I had her on the show along with the editor john. Order to time. Pocketbooks the interviews available as a podcast. And it's really cool because we we talked about you know Might my co host. Time earners louis was asking her. You know kirk cosies up to the enterprise we see janeway do the same kind of thing interesting answer and then year of hell and it's all about her. You know trying to keep the ship together. Which is the home of the crew. So i don't know that influence it but at least it didn't hurt. Probably he took to jerry title actually jerry jerry slightly which is one of my and she had a great line. She said that she wants to be china when she grows up but yet she talks about how she had a. You know how much how much she was in how it changed years. Yeah it's really interesting interesting angle. You get to two different. People are fed into creating cards. I always thought would to walk in janeway. They had kind of kirk and spock nine relationship. What's your thought on that. Well originally again. Since the book originally to focus meant to be an older car yes that was the they They know people over fifty sixty underrepresented on television. I think was was very true. In the ninety s still publi a bit true getting back and yet i want to have to be condos old mentor and friend and it's it's something that they play but i think they got a little nervous about doping too much likes for and they wanted to sort of help. Define him as a cartoon is so really. What happened here was hanged. The tivo needless lads and it was only when django seven that. That's that's how we'll faulk. I'm brian inside. That was his intention. Great central jianghuai spoke nice. Let's talk about that. Part of voyager like the nine they kind of make some changes you know they brought in michael dorn on ds nine and on boy jer in with apologies to jennifer lien all quote unquote her vault. But i just don't think that character was interesting enough to sustain it for seven year. Run especially with a short life span. So how are they going